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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #480 on: January 30, 2012, 01:01:36 AM »
IIRC, on the third stratum I ran into another staircase that goes down like where you fought Yuka/Eiki.  Is there anything there now, and if so where is the entrance at?  I forgot :derp:

That's where you fight Suika and Yuugi to recruit them.

Edit: I always seem to die on Tenshi when her HP is at the 1,300 range.  :derp:
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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #481 on: January 30, 2012, 01:37:05 AM »
You're missing everyone in the places you haven't explored yet in terms of Touhou Shikigami, you'll know them when you see them.



I've been to every area in the first two stratums, except for any that require the undenier. There are no ???? selections on the world map, so I've hit every teleportation point, but there may still be someone I missed. Are there any party members/shikigami on the first two stratums that I don't have (excluding anything you need the longshot for), and if so, where are they?

Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #482 on: January 30, 2012, 01:57:39 AM »
The only areas that require the undenier are that Eientei part you can get to from the Garden of the Sun, the Sea of Blazing Flames or whatever it's called, and Misty Lake.

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #483 on: January 30, 2012, 02:14:54 AM »
I've been to every area in the first two stratums, except for any that require the undenier. There are no ???? selections on the world map, so I've hit every teleportation point, but there may still be someone I missed. Are there any party members/shikigami on the first two stratums that I don't have (excluding anything you need the longshot for), and if so, where are they?
Consult the JP wiki.  First stratum, second stratum.

First stratum shikigami (event/random encounters):

  • Starter shikigami from the chest
  • Mystia
  • Yamame
  • Aya
  • Orin
  • Hina
  • Lunasa, Merlin, Lyrica
  • Star Sapphire, Luna Child.
  • Momiji
  • Breakfast loli

Second stratum:
  • Parsee
  • Ran
  • Murasa
  • Kisume
  • Daiyousei
  • Reisen
  • Hatate

You seem to be missing Kisume (random encounter in the Netherworld) and Daiyousei (random encounter in Makai 4).

As for characters, I didn't catch Youmu in your list.  She requires an item you see on the ground in "Heaven", and is found in the Netherworld.
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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #484 on: January 30, 2012, 02:19:56 AM »
Except he didn't kill any tower main boss yet so he can't get Kisume and Daiyousei since they require a certain shikigami that lets you recruit them.

So really he's just missing Youmu at the moment.

EDIT: I was asking for
Spoiler:

To put it simply: this field effect is a all stats up buff that stacks on other buffs. The name is
Spoiler:
Emerald Pentagram

Name,Effect: 五芒星 STR~POTがX増加
Length: 6+(DEX/64)
Power: 10+(LV/3)+(LV/4)

And yes, that is how it scales - BOTH off character's level AND the level of the shikigami that has it equipped. And yes, it lasts 10 turns at 256 dex for what amounts to almost 51 if we're rounding up at level 70 in both. Most of the other field effects just scale off DEX, though. Be forewarned, the table this came from is messed up so it might be actually wrong!

Anyways, looks like if the LV part is mentioned twice, it scales off both the character AND the shikigami with the skill. If it's only mentioned once, it either scales off the character's level or the shikigami's level.
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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #485 on: January 30, 2012, 02:53:19 AM »
Consult the JP wiki.  First stratum, second stratum.

First stratum shikigami (event/random encounters):

Breakfast loli

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #486 on: January 30, 2012, 02:56:42 AM »
WHo's this?

Oh right, a new shikigami they added in a chest in a later patch. Go back to the stairs where you fought Yuuka, and search for the chest there.

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #487 on: January 30, 2012, 03:08:55 AM »
IIRC Suika and Yuugi can be found there.  Can't quite remember where it is though. :(

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #488 on: January 30, 2012, 03:45:43 AM »
IIRC Suika and Yuugi can be found there.  Can't quite remember where it is though. :(

Third Stratum - Desert 4 it's in a cave.

Edit: Also... TENSHI WHY YOU BE TROLLING... YOU BE A SPAMMING LIKE A BOSS...  :colonveeplusalpha:
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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #489 on: January 30, 2012, 10:07:08 AM »
Huh.  Even though I had cleared the third tower, I missed Shou and Nazrin.  I went back to check, and when I went to the top-right as I entered the tower and the game loaded the screen slower than usual (typical for when a cutscene pops up), but nothing happened.  Left the room from the other doorway, re-entered, and the loading delay happened again and then I got the cutscene.

It's not nice when the game throws a boss fight at you without giving you a warning (no red marker for me), but I beat it easily (Nazrin died on the first turn from Fire Chaser abuse).

Poor Kogasa.  That's all I can really say about that fight.
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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #490 on: January 30, 2012, 10:10:49 AM »
Funny story about that - the game USED to have red marks for pretty much all the boss fights. I'm not entirely sure why they removed some of that other than that they felt it was too obvious and that you could tell when a boss was coming up.

Hey, at least Kogasa DOESN'T think she's a certain judge we all know and love as Eiki anymore (it was a glitch in the naming when you recruited her and she had Eiki's name.  :getdown:).

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« Reply #491 on: January 30, 2012, 10:21:42 AM »
Funny story about that - the game USED to have red marks for pretty much all the boss fights. I'm not entirely sure why they removed some of that other than that they felt it was too obvious and that you could tell when a boss was coming up.
I'm more annoyed that it's a completely unmarked event that you can only trigger by entering a room from a certain doorway.  If the loading delay hadn't cued me in on something being up (I sure as hell didn't notice it the first time when I was going through the tower) I'd have wasted a lot of time scouring the whole damned place for something that was right there by the entrance.

For most character events (boss or otherwise) there's either an empty room that's really obvious, or a suspicious trigger (there's a bowl of cucumbers right in the open, that clearly isn't a trap of some sort).  Generic room that looks like a lot of other generic rooms in that tower isn't something that one is apt to remember :V
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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #492 on: January 30, 2012, 01:23:55 PM »
Huh.  Even though I had cleared the third tower, I missed Shou and Nazrin.  I went back to check, and when I went to the top-right as I entered the tower and the game loaded the screen slower than usual (typical for when a cutscene pops up), but nothing happened.  Left the room from the other doorway, re-entered, and the loading delay happened again and then I got the cutscene.

It's not nice when the game throws a boss fight at you without giving you a warning (no red marker for me), but I beat it easily (Nazrin died on the first turn from Fire Chaser abuse).

Poor Kogasa.  That's all I can really say about that fight.
That room is weird, it doesn't give you that event if you go into it from the left but it does if you do it from the top. I'm pretty sure the red portal is still there, though - or at least it was, back in... 1.10 or 1.09, I don't remember exactly. Kogasa's event behaves the exact same way.
In case anyone still haven't gotten those girls yet, just go into the third level's tower, hop into the balcony to the right, go through that room and then come back into it. You can get there from the bottom door in the first room too, you'll just need to walk a bit more and use some MP fighting things.

Also, Kogasa still has the wrong shoes when she's taking damage, so even without being a judge she can still make you laugh.
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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #493 on: January 30, 2012, 03:28:19 PM »
More grinding up of Yuyuko & Eiki in the 2nd stratum today.  Would like them at lv20+ before I continue on.

On the plus side I got the +10% EXP accessory from a Metal Yukkuri.  No complaints about that.
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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #494 on: January 30, 2012, 05:39:21 PM »
More grinding up of Yuyuko & Eiki in the 2nd stratum today.  Would like them at lv20+ before I continue on.

On the plus side I got the +10% EXP accessory from a Metal Yukkuri.  No complaints about that.

GAWD DAM IT!!!!

I had gotten that accessory on Genius of Sapphieros at Eientei when I ran into 3 Yukkuri Towers, it was fun.

Grats to you Anima on your accessory.

Now, to find a way to curb stomp Tenshi.

Although, I did forge a few new weapons and armors which made one of my fights with Tenshi a bit more easier, she still in the end gave me the big Troll treatment.
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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #495 on: January 30, 2012, 05:52:03 PM »
I have a Yukkuri Crown.

:smug:

Got one of my third or fourth King.  Still no luck getting a King to join me, and I haven't really been trying but still at zero with Sisters and Hagure as well.  Hell, most of the enemies in the final area have craptacular join chances, it would seem; I've killed at least a couple dozen G-3s and whatever that blue robot thing are and no dice with either.  Did get Machine Dragon, at least.

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #496 on: January 30, 2012, 08:17:46 PM »
So... Tenshi would you like those Wind Chasers now or Later~



^ Excuse the weird cutting out of the screen shot I took of my victory well my soon to be finishing blow.

:3 Summary of Tenshi battle:

My MVP was Sanae who risked her life spamming Heals, Alice's Elemental Wall to soften up Tenshi's Earth assaults, Revived, and dispelled Tenshi's buffs.

While Patchouli cranked up Osendeku while backing up Yukari who, was hitting Tenshi with Electric Chasers. She did also get a lucky hit with Lunasa's Curse skill which just saved me after Mokou used her Last Word.

Yukari was using Electric Chasers and would sometimes use Critical Thrust and Asuka opposition encase Sanae had to heal to dispel Tenshi's buffs.

Eiki was doing the buffing and healing, and had Koakuma follow up with Dark Illusion which made Tenshi look like joke.

Mokou usually was using her DEX debuffing Hammer that I got from the 3rd Tower while lowering Tenshi's POT if she could pull it off, she also would sometimes revive along with Sanae. She also, used Provoke to tank up Tenshi's physical attacks thanks to a few buffs from the others.

So, after 20 tries of trying to go at Tenshi, I must say... ARE YOU HAPPY NOW, YOU DAM MASOCHIST!  :V

And also... PAYBACK IS A MOTHER!

Edit: I ended up getting the best consolation prize ever after trying now to look for Star Platinum



I would like to take the time to cry tears of joy and thank the RNG for the consolation prize of a Metal Yukkuri after what Tenshi did to me.

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #497 on: January 31, 2012, 06:08:16 AM »
  Hell, most of the enemies in the final area have craptacular join chances, it would seem; I've killed at least a couple dozen G-3s and whatever that blue robot thing are and no dice with either.  Did get Machine Dragon, at least.
The chance to recruit any of them is Rank D, which seems to translate to 1%, so yeah, you're going to need a bit of luck.
Tenshi is dead!
Good job! Although after my most recent fight against her, it seemed that being more offensive than defensive really paid off - she just has so many ways to flatten you it's not funny. And you don't even have Alice with that earth shield to protect you this time! And even if you did, she has that god damned Ectoplasm Net to instantly kill you, which seems to hit everyone regardless of your formation! Aaargh!
This is where some strategy proves to be amazing, though - give everyone that can deal damage an earth resistance accessory or shikigami, set Alicorn (one of the starting skills that Unicorn has, sorry if that wasn't clear enough... but well, just googling that name teaches you that "alicorn" is the name of the horn of a unicorn) up, buff and set Osendaku up too, then on the following turn use your Thunder Chaser and make everyone use a thunder attack. If you need to heal, do it on the chaser cooldown turn, then just shock her again and she will be gone with no trouble at all. It's pretty much a battle of attrition: if you don't beat her fast enough she will beat you, and this is what seemed to have been your biggest problem.

Well, can't wait to see how you're going to deal with the Eientei pair! :V!
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Tip: swords are EXTREMELY useful. Lunasa might help you a lot, too.

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #498 on: January 31, 2012, 07:25:24 AM »
Spoiler:
Tip: The Muramasa is EXTREMELY useful. Lunasa will help you a lot, too.

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #499 on: January 31, 2012, 10:45:16 AM »
Beat up Tenshi earlier tonight.  The first attempt was a trial to see what she did, the second I restarted because she killed Byakuren on the first turn, and I succeeded on the third.  There were a couple of turns where I had to wait for Osendaku to finish cooling down so I could refresh it and finish her off, which was the most troublesome part of the fight.

Leveled up Caviar some (fire HDD), put it on Yuka.  Two physical attackers with a chaser and and some cheap full-screen spam is :getdown:
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« Reply #500 on: January 31, 2012, 11:45:20 AM »
I've fixed that for you, sir! :3
Isn't its slayer effect pretty poor, though? I said that about swords because of that one skill that gets a pretty nice slayer effect on humanoids.

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #501 on: January 31, 2012, 12:01:00 PM »
Isn't its slayer effect pretty poor, though? I said that about swords because of that one skill that gets a pretty nice slayer effect on humanoids.

That weapon combined with Lunasa's passive combined with 次元斬 made me deal 3000+ damage to Kaguya in one hit. :getdown:

Keep in mind that it has a relatively high critical rate chance, which offsets the fact it has slightly lower slayer effect than other swords. It's not like there are any other swords (except Mage Masher? In fact I don't even remember which family of mobs Kaguya and Eirin come from, though I think it's spellcaster) that have the same Slayer effect as it...

EDIT:

In case anyone cares about the Chocolates in this Valentine's event:

G-3 (G-3) 36/1000 drop rate
Greater Demon (グレートデーモン) 36/1000 drop rate
Dominion (ドミニオン) 36/1000 drop rate
Asrael (アズラエル) 36/1000 drop rate
Decarabia (デカラビア) 32/1000 drop rate
Officer Demon (オフィサー・デーモン) 32/1000 drop rate
Mushu-Fushu (ムシュフシュ) 32/1000 drop rate
Earth Dragon (アースドラゴン) 32/1000 drop rate
Luminescence (ルミネッセンス) 32/1000 drop rate
Dynamis Princess (デュミナスプリンセス) 32/1000 drop rate
Ace Power (エースパワー) 32/1000 drop rate

Don't bother looking for any other monsters, they drop at less than 30/1000 rate.

The chance to recruit any of them is Rank D, which seems to translate to 1%, so yeah, you're going to need a bit of luck.

1.56%, to be precise.

EDIT 2:

DEX is a very important stat, as it dictates variable values in a metric tonne of skills - from the damage output to how long the duration of statuses last to even the effect of the status loss/gain itself. Do not underestimate the importance of this stat. To underline some of why DEX is so freaking important, I have here some values:

Kisume's Well Destructor (400 base hit rate)
Lowers an area of enemy's physical damage and raises the amount of damage they receive by (X/1000)% for 5 turns, where X = 20+(user.DEX/24)
Example:
Byakuren Lv70 w/ Kisume Lv70using WD
X = 20 + (186/24) = 20 + 7_trunc = 27
27/1000 = 0.027 = 2.7%

Murasa/Garbangol's D-Net
Creates a constant damage-dealing field for 6 turns, the damage is equal to 10*(user.DEX/12)
Byakuren Lv70 w/ Murasa Lv70 using D-Net
d = 10 * (196/12) = 10 * 16 = 160/turn

Keine's Regeneration
Creates a healing field for 6 turns, the healing is equal to 5*[ (user.DEX - 64)/16 + 4]
Byakuren Lv70 w/ Keine Lv70 using Regeneration
h = 5 * [ (184 - 64)/16 + 4 ] = 5 * 11_trunc = 55/turn
Yes, 55 per turn is a lot where the game-best base HP is Suika with 570 at Lv70. Even with Shikigami, 330 hp after 6 turns is GREAT.

Jammer duration is equal to 6 + (user.DEX/64) turns
Byakuren Lv70 using a Jammer
dur = 6 + (170/64) = 6 + 2.6_trunc = 6 + 2 = 8 turns

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #502 on: January 31, 2012, 03:35:52 PM »
More shikigami collecting today.  Added the Mind Flayer, Fairy Maid, and Lesser Demon from the 2nd tower to my collection. 

All of them have some rather nice skills to play with.  Mind Flayer has Mind Blast and a bunch of other Mystic elemental moves, Lesser Demon has Dark elemental moves to utilize with my shikigami that has Dark Chaser, and Fairy Maid can do land manipulation and has attacks for Fire/Ice/Earth/Thunder.
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« Reply #503 on: February 01, 2012, 01:05:27 AM »
Then, I might have to switch Mokou with Youmu since she mainly uses swords and I have one of the high-tier attack swords.

I also, did get a pair of gloves from Star Platinum yesterday, although he NEVER joined, which sucked.

On top of that those Metal Marisa Yukkuris are so trolling, not even my weapons can pierce them the little douche bags.,.

And currently right now, I'm going to level up my people along, with Koishi and Yuugi.

Fun Fact: Yuugi - Knock out in three steps is beastly if given to a high attacker.

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Kaguya - Mage mob

Eirin - Warrior mob
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I might have to start training Youmu also to get her to do some beast damage.

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Wahahahahahaha, I actually almost killed Eirin.

But, gawd I might need to get Koishi up to boot so she can de-buff them, even though Murasa can hold her own with the Colosseum Field to stop them from reviving.

Yuugi, I might need her to knock Kaguya out. 
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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #504 on: February 01, 2012, 01:23:27 AM »
That's why I recommend to try and hunt Saladin for their Masamune (1.0% drop) since it has a Slayer effect on both Magicians and Fighters (including Psychics) but at the same time, the Slayer effect is only 50. That's why you need to have Lunasa's passive as well and then use attacks like Dimension Slash, especially Dimension Slash, since I've had it do well over 3000 damage. But at the very least, you should be doing 1000+ per hit with it with that particular set up, provided you have competent physical attackers.

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #505 on: February 01, 2012, 01:43:05 AM »
That's why I recommend to try and hunt Saladin for their Masamune (1.0% drop) since it has a Slayer effect on both Magicians and Fighters (including Psychics) but at the same time, the Slayer effect is only 50. That's why you need to have Lunasa's passive as well and then use attacks like Dimension Slash, especially Dimension Slash, since I've had it do well over 3000 damage. But at the very least, you should be doing 1000+ per hit with it with that particular set up, provided you have competent physical attackers.
What about using a stronger sword (say, Durandal) with 覇王の一閃 (it has a one turn cooldown, however).  I don't know how the weaker attack will play with a stronger slayer effect, but that could be used in addition to the Masamune.

Man, I'm lacking on decent weapon skills for the people I gave swords to.  Mainly Yuka, since the other characters were mainly using them just to learn Chain Slash for Yukkuri hunting (no luck learning that, either).  I guess it might be time to level up Youmu or something :wat:
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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #506 on: February 01, 2012, 03:27:05 AM »
Where, exactly, is Youmu's event item? And where's Youmu herself? I can't find either. I thought I might have the item already, since I haven't found it (unless you need the longshot to get it, since I don't have that yet), but I can't find Youmu either. So where is she?

Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #507 on: February 01, 2012, 03:32:46 AM »
I think the item was in Heaven on second stratum, and she should be in Muenzuka. That is if I didn't mix the places up or get them wrong.

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Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #508 on: February 01, 2012, 03:55:13 AM »
Muenzuka, I believe, is where the hookshot is found. Is that the place you're thinking of?

Re: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ~ The Devil of Decline
« Reply #509 on: February 01, 2012, 04:02:08 AM »
Oh right, I mixed up places again. I should've been thinking of the Netherworld (which should've been in the bottom left, iirc, unless Youmu doesn't appear there.). I'll check to make sure it's actually correct, though.