Author Topic: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録～ The Devil of Decline (Read 152453 times)

Serela · « **Reply #180 on:** January 08, 2012, 12:06:25 PM »

Pesco:What about hacking a shikigami into having a ridiculous Party EXP bonus to increase exp?

Pesco · « **Reply #181 on:** January 08, 2012, 12:25:56 PM »

Is there a Shikigami with that as a scalable ability? If not, it's hardcoded.

Serela · « **Reply #182 on:** January 08, 2012, 12:31:37 PM »

Well, I know Tewi and the Tora No Ana promotional shikigami's Party EXP increases as they level up. If they're hard-coded though...

Aba Matindesu! · « **Reply #183 on:** January 08, 2012, 01:20:06 PM »

Isn't there a way to simply hack the level value itself? It was fairly easily done in TGoS, so unless they added even more confusing code in there, I don't see how this is any different.

Pesco · « **Reply #184 on:** January 08, 2012, 02:55:31 PM »

I didn't play GoS, so I never got round to it. Hacking level would work if a character's stat values were based off the level value. All I can see it doing is messing with how much exp you need to level up. It won't help you learn the high level skills any sooner.

Serela · « **Reply #185 on:** January 08, 2012, 04:09:36 PM »

Oh, and about Utsuho's squishyness level in comparison to others; one factor to keep in mind is that POT is like VIT, except for magic (and status effects I guess), and Utsuho has the lowest POT in the game, wheras someone like Sunny only has slightly less VIT/HP then Utsuho, but WAAAY more POT. Marisa barely has less vit/hp in exchange for still a good bit more POT (Not near as much as sunny) and Patch has more POT then Marisa although a lot less vit.

So, overall, Utsuho is still probably the most fragile character in the game; it's just she'll take physical hits a bit better then Patch.

CloverNaght · « **Reply #186 on:** January 08, 2012, 05:54:59 PM »

funny that Utsuho's nuclear rod is just for show in this game...can't nuke the enemies!

Serela · « **Reply #187 on:** January 08, 2012, 06:02:09 PM »

Well... there IS her last word for that :V

theshirn · « **Reply #188 on:** January 08, 2012, 07:28:21 PM »

Okay, after getting my ass totally handed to me in the third Makai, I went back to the first area and found where I was actually supposed to go. Suddenly every battle is not a party wipe! :toot:

The boss before you get Orin was brutal though. Mostly for being able to oneshot Marisa and Nitori in the same AoE attack, and once they were down he just pumped the Fire land all the way and murdered my face off. Ended up needing Mokou's Last Word to win.

EDIT: aaaand Yuka was surprisingly easy!

Trying to decide who I'm going to use as my final party early. Reimu's going nowhere, and I'll probably hold onto Marisa. The other three slots are open for debate, though Mokou's probably keeping hers. Youmu will likely get switched out, and I'm considering just making that Yuka for a) early replacement and b) two solid physical attackers/tanks. The last spot currently has a kappa in it but I'm thinking Shikieiki will probably take that once I get her (which I understand isn't for a while?) Also finally got 15 shikigami. New ones mean I have to start swapping. Hm.

Do you get the other main characters on every route?

Vilkni · « **Reply #189 on:** January 08, 2012, 09:38:15 PM »

Oh yeah, I forgot one important thing: Elemental weapons do give training to their chosen magic elemental... with one thing I failed to note: They also gain attack power based ON the magic elemental and physical elemental levels... and the magic elemental part actually ignores defenses entirely. This means early on, the elemental weapons are a godsend against enemies not resistant to their chosen magic elemental weakness, but later on weapons with slayers do better for random battles depending on enemies.

This means while elemental weapons can give their bonuses to the weapon itself and be stronger in raw attack than slayer weapons, stacking slayer effects still works like it did in GoS.

BT · « **Reply #190 on:** January 08, 2012, 09:49:30 PM »

Wait, I think I got the stats mixed up. POT is defense against magic? Then what's DEX?

Serela · « **Reply #191 on:** January 08, 2012, 09:50:46 PM »

shim:Yeah, you get all the characters on every route, but the four main characters are only available very late in.

rizul:I suppose, but that requires you to have the correct slayer; elemental weapons get the raw attack power increase, and can hit weaknesses on enemies similar to how a slayer hits the monster type.

I'm sure slayers are probably stronger when you've got the right one, it's just that it seems elemental would be more all-reaching. So both have their advantages! Especially considering that sword skills have slayers anyway (Still missing the added slayer from slayer weapon but you lose some you keep some etc.)

ninjaedit:DEX is weapon accuracy and status infliction accuracy.

BT · « **Reply #192 on:** January 08, 2012, 09:54:14 PM »

The translated stats in the wiki, which I assumed were STR/VIT/DEX/AGI/INT/POT, are Force Strength Dexterity Rapidity Cleverness Luck. Are those the stats, in the same order? Because I assumed that POT was purely luck and, well, yeah.

Serela · « **Reply #193 on:** January 08, 2012, 10:00:14 PM »

Yeah it's in that order.

It's a little silly that they english-ize the final stat as Potential when in japanese it's apparently Luck, but :V The partial translation of the manual shows that the stat is for a character's "Hidden Power", which sounds a lot more like potential then luck anyway, so :shrug:

theshirn · « **Reply #194 on:** January 08, 2012, 10:00:37 PM »

The stats are in the same order. POT is a weird in-game reference as the stat translates to luck and it's not really either. POT is both magic defense and resistance to ailments.

theshirn · « **Reply #195 on:** January 09, 2012, 02:18:49 AM »

> party level 15
> get up to boss
> 4500 HP

I DO NOT THINK I AM SUPPOSED TO BE HERE YET

homing curvy laser · « **Reply #196 on:** January 09, 2012, 02:48:20 AM »

Quote from: An Awesome Person on January 08, 2012, 07:28:21 PM

I'm thinking Shikieiki will probably take that once I get her (which I understand isn't for a while?)

Not really, you can actually find her

Spoiler:

. Or even earlier, if you don't mind not exploring every single pixel of a map.

Quote

Do you get the other main characters on every route?

Yup, after a certain event I really don't want to spoil, not even on tags. It's just so fun.

Quote from: An Awesome Person on January 09, 2012, 02:18:49 AM

> party level 15
> get up to boss
> 4500 HP

I DO NOT THINK I AM SUPPOSED TO BE HERE YET

Yeah, that's weird - you ARE supposed to clear the towers as soon as you find them, though, the enemies in there are not too hard if you've beaten the tower guardian. That zombie will kill you millions of time even after you beat everything else in the game, though, she's annoyingly hard to deal with. Tip against her:

Spoiler:

Saber Nero · « **Reply #197 on:** January 09, 2012, 02:49:15 AM »

Yeah, there's a lot of problems with that boss as a whole. Even at much higher levels she's still an issue. By comparison, the boss of the second tower is much, much easier.

God, I really should get back to this game. I was at the point where I was going to start looking through the third strata, having finished everything in the first strata and STILL getting my butt kicked by the first tower boss.

theshirn · « **Reply #198 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:51:36 AM »

Hookshot get! The only point I can remember needing it for led to the Three Fairies. Are Star and Luna any good? (Not using Sunnymilk, waaaaay too squishy, even with the boatloads of POT.)

Serela · « **Reply #199 on:** January 09, 2012, 04:03:15 AM »

Star Sapphire starts with and learns a few useful support skills (Resurrection!), in addition to some light attacks; Lunar Child is about the same, although her support skills would only be infliction of Silence and a Large range heal, in addition to dark attacks instead of light ones.

Saber Nero · « **Reply #200 on:** January 09, 2012, 04:03:52 AM »

There's Momiji in the mountains, and then there's the recipe thing that I forgot the location of.

BT · « **Reply #201 on:** January 09, 2012, 01:05:31 PM »

North of Hina's place. That, Momiji's cave and the three fairies tree are the hookshot places in strata 1.

So, I would appreciate a detailed explanation of what each of STR/VIT/DEX/AGI/INT/POT is now that I'm completely confused :/

Serela · « **Reply #202 on:** January 09, 2012, 01:26:49 PM »

Quote from: BT on January 09, 2012, 01:05:31 PM

North of Hina's place. That, Momiji's cave and the three fairies tree are the hookshot places in strata 1.

So, I would appreciate a detailed explanation of what each of STR/VIT/DEX/AGI/INT/POT is now that I'm completely confused :/

physical damage
physical defense
accuracy/status infliction accuracy
turn order/evasion
magic damage
magic defense/status infliction defense

BT · « **Reply #203 on:** January 09, 2012, 01:45:42 PM »

And there's no stat that raises the chance of criticals occurring, then? :@

theshirn · « **Reply #204 on:** January 09, 2012, 02:20:43 PM »

I believe DEX affects the chance of criticals and I recall seeing a post that INT affects how much crits do. Not certain about those.

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #205 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:13:25 PM »

Is there any sort of work on an English patch for this? Because I'd love to play it, but not knowing the language makes that somewhat difficult.

trancehime · « **Reply #206 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:16:40 PM »

Quote from: GuyYouMetOnline on January 09, 2012, 03:13:25 PM

Is there any sort of work on an English patch for this? Because I'd love to play it, but not knowing the language makes that somewhat difficult.

I'm more than willing to provide assistance on a patch but I'm not going to start the effort; I have no time to do any sort of administration or management for something like this. Sorry!

GigaOne5 · « **Reply #207 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:37:12 PM »

So for the first tower boss, is there any weakness to her? Or does that battle really have to be a battle of attrition.

homing curvy laser · « **Reply #208 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:59:59 PM »

Quote from: GuyYouMetOnline on January 09, 2012, 03:13:25 PM

Is there any sort of work on an English patch for this? Because I'd love to play it, but not knowing the language makes that somewhat difficult.

This game is actually pretty easy to play even if all you know is just a bit of katakana to read most skill names. I feel I'm losing a lot by not understanding the lengthy dialogs that happen everywhere, but I know those are going to be translated eventually, so it's not that huge of a problem.

Quote from: GigaOne5 on January 09, 2012, 03:37:12 PM

So for the first tower boss, is there any weakness to her? Or does that battle really have to be a battle of attrition.

I have absolutely no idea. I have tried every magical element (but Mystic, actually, I forgot about it) and nothing seemed to hit any weakness, the only kind of debuffs that land on her easily are stat debuffs that don't change anything... the best way to go at her I know thus far is

Spoiler:

. I find it really weird for something so tankish to have no weaknesses at all, so I most likely just haven't searched hard enough.

By the way, oh cool someone beat the last boss in two turns. Obvious spoilers, so derp.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16650392

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #209 on:** January 09, 2012, 04:46:51 PM »

Quote from: homing curvy laser on January 09, 2012, 03:59:59 PM

This game is actually pretty easy to play even if all you know is just a bit of katakana to read most skill names.

Which I don't.

Author Topic: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録 ～ The Devil of Decline (Read 152453 times)

Author Topic: a new ichigo-bose game: 東方幻想魔録～ The Devil of Decline (Read 152453 times)