Author Topic: It's over! Touhou Seimoe 2011! (Read 246384 times)

iK · « **Reply #780 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:24:00 AM »

I don't even consider Nitori all that cute and I legitimately thought Remilia would be streamrolling this.

Chronojet ⚙ Dragon · « **Reply #781 on:** January 09, 2012, 03:49:19 AM »

With such a big loss, Remilia fans are probably going to avenge this poor vampy.
Flandre's probably gonna win just because Remilia lost, I guess!

Cadmas · « **Reply #782 on:** January 09, 2012, 04:31:13 AM »

Flan more or less is just gonna win b/c shes Flan.

Looks like people might actually be voting for what is moe instead of popularity contest.

I have no name · « **Reply #783 on:** January 09, 2012, 05:14:21 AM »

Quote from: Umi-Chan on January 09, 2012, 04:31:13 AM

Looks like people might actually be voting for what is moe instead of popularity contest.

Which is why Reimu went out first round.
Never liked her much anyway.

iK · « **Reply #784 on:** January 09, 2012, 05:49:11 AM »

Like legit I don't see how Nitori is cute or endearing, maybe someone could explain?

N-Forza · « **Reply #785 on:** January 09, 2012, 10:15:18 AM »

Like legit I don't see how Remilia is cute or endearing, maybe someone could explain?

HappyEmoKid1 · « **Reply #786 on:** January 09, 2012, 10:57:45 AM »

Quote from: iK on January 09, 2012, 05:49:11 AM

Like legit I don't see how Nitori is cute or endearing, maybe someone could explain?

"Moe" isn't "cute and endearing," it is "fictional attraction."
Perhaps Remilia isn't as attractive as you thought?

iK · « **Reply #787 on:** January 09, 2012, 11:53:25 AM »

Quote from: N-Forza on January 09, 2012, 10:15:18 AM

Like legit I don't see how Remilia is cute or endearing, maybe someone could explain?

Pink and purple colour scheme, polite demeanor that is sometimes broken by childlike spoiledness, and a fragile ego that is also quite broken. And her sprites from the fighters seal it for me.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #788 on:** January 09, 2012, 11:58:03 AM »

Quote from: iK on January 09, 2012, 11:53:25 AM

childlike spoiledness

Congratulations, you answered your own question as to why people are voting Nitori.

iK · « **Reply #789 on:** January 09, 2012, 12:05:43 PM »

Quote from: Kilgamayan on January 09, 2012, 11:58:03 AM

Congratulations, you answered your own question as to why people are voting Nitori.

So it's more an issue of just not liking Remilia then? I suppose I can understand since I have similar reasons for voting Nue over Flandre.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #790 on:** January 09, 2012, 12:07:36 PM »

It's because being a brat is not only not moe, it's anti-moe.

Palewolf · « **Reply #791 on:** January 09, 2012, 12:48:52 PM »

Quote from: HappyEmoKid1 on January 09, 2012, 10:57:45 AM

"Moe" isn't "cute and endearing," it is "fictional attraction."
Perhaps Remilia isn't as attractive as you thought?

I would say moe has many diffrent interpretations,
Mine is based on a nonsexual protective feeling towards a character, them looking cute helps with that but i think they need some innocence and/or flaw(s) as well. (Which flaws would be considered cute is very subjective though.)

Remilia's ego being fragile feels mostly like a fannon thing, i can't remember her losing her cool/charisma in cannon, (Exept that lowblock. :V)
which leaves her personality relatively free from "weakpoints" and she has the strength to back up that personality as well.
This leaves her with only being able to look cute, she fits better in the badass corner imo.

Sophilia · « **Reply #792 on:** January 09, 2012, 05:57:09 PM »

I genuinely find Nitori one of the most moe characters in Touhou. Mainly it's two things. First, her canon attitude towards humans. She's incredibly shy but once you get through that she's friendly to a fault. The second is her appearance, which I find to be one of the most endearing in the series. You might not, that's cool. Of course, there are other factors, like the whole mechanical geek thing and being absolutely broken in every game I've used her in, but mostly it's the first two.

Also Remi's an ass and stuff. Makes her a good character, but not a moe one.

iK · « **Reply #793 on:** January 09, 2012, 06:16:58 PM »

Well next match seems pretty cut and dry. If Sakuya had trouble against Koakuma I can't imagining this going very well for her at all.

Zil · « **Reply #794 on:** January 09, 2012, 06:28:46 PM »

Quote from: Sophilia on January 09, 2012, 05:57:09 PM

being absolutely broken in every game I've used her in

Funny how that seems to be true. Like, really. :wat:
But yeah, she's really got moe potential I'd say, and is fairly unique when compared to other characters. We haven't seen a science type since PC-98.

Tsalop · « **Reply #795 on:** January 09, 2012, 07:07:47 PM »

Eventhough Flandre is not canonically so moe, I will vote for her as
Sakuya is too eager with her knives...

orgolove · « **Reply #796 on:** January 09, 2012, 10:41:16 PM »

Quote from: Sophilia on January 09, 2012, 05:57:09 PM

I genuinely find Nitori one of the most moe characters in Touhou. Mainly it's two things. First, her canon attitude towards humans. She's incredibly shy but once you get through that she's friendly to a fault. The second is her appearance, which I find to be one of the most endearing in the series. You might not, that's cool. Of course, there are other factors, like the whole mechanical geek thing and being absolutely broken in every game I've used her in, but mostly it's the first two.

Also Remi's an ass and stuff. Makes her a good character, but not a moe one.

I'm really interested in what other games besides Fantasy Maiden Wars Nitori appears in. :O I'd love to play her in some other games too...

Nyarly · « **Reply #797 on:** January 09, 2012, 10:45:04 PM »

Huh, so far this match is pretty even. I'm not surprised that Sakuya got many votes, but I'd have thought that Flandre got many, many more than her by now.

Zil · « **Reply #798 on:** January 09, 2012, 11:41:14 PM »

Quote from: orgolove on January 09, 2012, 10:41:16 PM

I'm really interested in what other games besides Fantasy Maiden Wars Nitori appears in. :O I'd love to play her in some other games too...

I've seen her in Touhou Labyrinth, Touhou Pocket Wars and Patchcon, and she's pretty kick-ass in those, though in Patchcon she falls behind on higher rounds. She's also in Touhoumon, though I've never played that.

Also surprised by Flan's lack of victory. Am I to believe that she and Koakuma are equal in moe?

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #799 on:** January 09, 2012, 11:44:58 PM »

Nitori is playable in GoS. This is maybe barely a spoiler because she's one of the super-super-early recruits and you can't not get her.

orgolove · « **Reply #800 on:** January 09, 2012, 11:47:49 PM »

Ohh, thank you. I've played Labyrinth and patchcon, and they were fun. I gotta try Pocket wars.

GoS sounds really fun... but it requires a much more in-depth japanese knowledge than what I currently have... I wish I had a way to just export the output text and plug it through google translate. D: Is there an english patch in progress, apart from the youtube videos?

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #801 on:** January 09, 2012, 11:50:51 PM »

The English patch is, for all intents and purposes, done. The only time a lack of extra translation might maybe become an issue is in the middle of combat if you completely forget what elements cancel each other out, and even then it's a turn-based RPG and there are pretty color-coded visual cues for you.

Zil · « **Reply #802 on:** January 09, 2012, 11:52:07 PM »

There's a thread in HME devoted to GoS, and I'm pretty sure the first post provides a link to the patch.
And when you play Pocket Wars, Nitori may well be the best character in the game, so you'll certainly get to use her there. She plays much differently than she does in LoT though.

Sophilia · « **Reply #803 on:** January 10, 2012, 12:27:22 AM »

I wouldn't call her the best character in TPWE+...but she has by far the best spellcard.

Spoiler:

(best character all around is either nue or komachi)
Also, it's nice that she doesn't bust the game open the same way every time. Labyrinth she was the best damager, TPW the best buffer, FMW the best tank, etc. There's also Nitroid, where she's the only PC, so she's the best one by default.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #804 on:** January 10, 2012, 12:30:12 AM »

Quote from: Sophilia on January 10, 2012, 12:27:22 AM

There's also Nitroid, where she's the only PC, so she's the best one by default.

Spoiler:

orgolove · « **Reply #805 on:** January 10, 2012, 12:35:25 AM »

Awesome! Thanks a lot. I'll definitely check it out. And I'm happy that Nitori won in her match this round too. I'll be seriously torn between Okuu and Kogasa in the next match...

iK · « **Reply #806 on:** January 10, 2012, 02:55:30 AM »

Quote from: orgolove on January 09, 2012, 10:41:16 PM

I'm really interested in what other games besides Fantasy Maiden Wars Nitori appears in. :O I'd love to play her in some other games too...

She papers in Sengoku gensokyo with 'Optical Camouflage" that allows her to live though at least 2 attacks in a game full of near one hit kills.

Edit: Okay now I'm really confused as to what people are voting on. I mean like yeah, I argued against Flandre when she was up against Nue, but at the very least she has naivety and a cute design going for her. Sakuya meanwhile had trouble against a speachless midboss and is now going tit for tat against Flan.

Nyarly · « **Reply #807 on:** January 10, 2012, 06:21:49 AM »

Maybe it's some sort of backlash against Flan's popularity.

Helepolis · « **Reply #808 on:** January 10, 2012, 08:16:27 AM »

Quote from: Kilgamayan on January 09, 2012, 12:07:36 PM

It's because being a brat is not only not moe, it's anti-moe.

Pretty much this.

Also, I like it how people sway to canon or fanon in their posts depending on the situation. People, if we were to follow canon (that is, only known material), a lot of "winners" would've lost already.

Edible · « **Reply #809 on:** January 10, 2012, 03:24:30 PM »

Flanfly moe, I guess.

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