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| Umineko Mafia - Day 4 |
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| WHMZakeri:
--- Quote ---I still maintain that going after Dorian D1 was not a scummy move. I was playing exactly as I would have as a Townie there. :P --- End quote --- And I still think trying to avoid an informational lynch is scummy, whether or not scum themselves thought so. --- Quote ---Also, is it normal to suffer crippling pangs of guilt for putting forward cases that are technically valid, but which you know to be completely false? >_> --- End quote --- Yes, but just remind yourself that this is all fun and games and you're playing to win~. Let's see ... yeah, I really meant everything I said in my defense. I was pretty much up against a wall at the end of Day 1 because I needed to throw my vote somewhere, but I have a feeling that if I had voted for the three being bandwagoned, it would have ended badly for the town and myself. I almost went with the Dorian Lynch instead, but Serp's attack on him still felt scummy to me, even then, and I decided to go after Donut instead. Unfortunately, I really did need Dorian lynched in order for people to have taken my case on Serp Seriously, so I knew we had already lost the game when Carthrat voted for Sodium. --- Quote ---Just because an opinion is earnest doesn't mean there's any point in paying attention to it. >_> I will not lie, half the reason I was on Sodium was because I refused to accept Pesco's roleclaim clear of him. Likewise for his suspicions of Carth. In general I just have a complete hatred for gut because it isn't endorsed by SCIENCE. --- End quote --- Wait, so basically what you mean to say is PESCO IS ALWAYS WRONG FOREVER AND FOREVER AND I WILL NEVER LISTEN TO HIM EVEN IF THE MOD SAYS THAT I SHOULD HAVE BEEN TRUSTING HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE. I mean, yeah, it's one thing to dismiss his clear because it was based on bullshit, but to go after Sodium partly BECAUSE of it? I think we can rule out Scumbuddies when someone flips town :V I agree that when a townie dies, it doesn't mean they were right. But it doesn't also mean they were wrong. Sometimes, Sincere Advice is the best kind of advice you can get. There's not much else to say other than I was right well, actually I had Affinity Pegged for Serp's Scumbuddy, but I don't know what a day two lookover would have revealed to me, since that's when Carthrat Cracked. I still had yet to rule out Carthrat or Roukanken as a Scumbuddy to Serp. Although, all this talk of Scumpairing, I'm surprized Sodium wasn't cleared base on that. Carthrat - Wants to lynch him, Rou - Wants to lynch him, Affinity - Wants to lynch him, Serpentarius - Wanted to lynch him day one, said Sodium felt town, then wanted to lynch him end of day three onward. Basically, the only scumpairing with Dorian that made sense was him and Myself. And Finally, I'd like to attribute our loss more to our inability to escape from day one than anything else: BANDWAGONS ON DAY ONE DONUT PESCO DORIDIUM NUKE (defused due to cop claim) LYNCHES FOR THE WHOLE GAME DONUT PESCO DORIDIUM NUKE (day ending modkill) Just wanted to point that last part out. Anyways, GG Scum. |
| Serp:
--- Quote from: Carthrat ---This is just another game where scum won without needing to do anything clever or special; how I normally advocate they should play, because I so rarely find myself needing to do more. --- End quote --- It really wasn't much different than playing as Town. Make good cases, and don't get lynched. When only one player out of the group is "off-limits" (barring bussing), the most important difference in playing scum is that you decide who dies at night. --- Quote from: Edible ---I forgot Serp was scum at one point while reading this game, FYI. --- End quote --- It's funny that you put it this way. I try to do my best to forget my alignment too, when I draw Scum. Consciously thinking about what you can do to make it to LyLo doesn't really work. --- Quote from: Pesco ---It didn't have to just be mine, there was Kiro, Nietz and Donut's opinion which could have been considered. --- End quote --- Don't forget Nuke's, too. :V --- Quote from: Nietz ---Wait... you're talking from hindsight or you knew there was a jailkeeper in the setup beforehand? --- End quote --- It was definitely a good move in hindsight, and it was supported by foresight, but certainly not by foreknowledge, not for that kill. --- Quote from: Nietz ---I blocked Carthrat. :P --- End quote --- Yeah, Carthrat figured that he was more likely to be blocked and explicitly suggested that I send in the N2 kill. Carthrat sent in the N1 kill, because I wanted to be clean to all scans, not just cop ones. --- Quote from: Carthrat ---Also, we killed Kiro because he's scary. --- End quote --- Seconding this. Carthrat and I were shaking in our curly witch boots all game at the thought of Kiro calling us out with an incredible case. Totally justified by Kiro's recap post, of course. --- Quote from: Carthrat ---We're at odds with each other over a lynch that wasn't either of us or a buddy, yeah, that argument was throwaway. Made easier by the fact that it seems we both believed our respective positions. >_> --- End quote --- I think Carth and I were tough to peg as a scumpair precisely because we have rather different approaches to scumhunting. :V Honestly, early in the game I was thinking to myself, "C'mon, Carth, be more harsh about tearing apart my case. I'm totally right, but I know you don't think so." --- Quote from: Alice Margatroid ---Also, if you're getting pangs of guilt, you're doing it wrong :P --- End quote --- I know you're supposed to turn your conscience off before playing mafia, and I rarely have problems with conscience in general, but I started seeing where Pesco was coming from on D3. Funny that Kiro mentions my support of the Pesco lynch as a scummy point - it was there, more than any other time, that I was thinking more as scum than as town. --- Quote from: Alice Margatroid ---One thing that I'm going to bring up again, is that Carthrat never actually used his power. I'm still quite amused by this, especially since it was a very GOOD one for scum. Meh. --- End quote --- Oh, Carthrat and I did discuss it on every night. Introducing WIFOMs and such is always a valid option for scum, and Carthrat even raised the idea of using it on a townie and then publicly coming out as Town Governor with a characteristic speech along the lines of "This guy is obvtown and I'm not going to let you idiots lynch him." Ultimately, we decided exactly what you said up there - that we could get by just by playing it completely straight and letting the town tear itself apart. --- Quote from: Alice Margatroid ---Not sure about Town MVP. Nietz deserves some cred for guessing Carth N2, Zakeri deserves some cred for catching Serp as scum, even if it's for slightly questionable reasons. --- End quote --- And I still maintain that my vote of Dorian was totally justified. I played D1 completely straight. I feel that I can't emphasize this enough. Granted, in future games, I might make a judgement call in the other direction, but... This time, I was totally sincere. --- Quote from: Zakeri ---Basically, the only scumpairing with Dorian that made sense was him and Myself. --- End quote --- Indeed, that's why I had to go after you. Though, I really did sincerely believe that you were going to be the LyLo lynch when I went over everything N3. Was the fact that I pursued Zakeri so aggressively in LyLo a factor that made people pick me as their second choice for lynch? --- Quote from: Zakeri ---NUKE (day ending modkill) --- End quote --- And Nuke probably would've gotten lynched even if he hadn't gotten modkilled. At least, that's how I foresaw it, and it's the path I was going to push for. |
| WHMZakeri:
--- Quote ---And I still maintain that my vote of Dorian was totally justified. I played D1 completely straight. I feel that I can't emphasize this enough. Granted, in future games, I might make a judgement call in the other direction, but... This time, I was totally sincere. --- End quote --- I'm starting to worry that this is true :C --- Quote ---Don't forget Nuke's, too. :V --- End quote --- Pesco: "Town needs to go back an evaluate dead townie's opinions." Roukanken: "Yeah, except townies aren't always right." Carthrat: "Just because someone's sincere doesn't mean they're right." Neitz: "By the way, I'm really disappointed that no one picked up on my suspicion of Carthrat day two." Serpentarius: "Yeah, what Rou and Carth said!" :V And yes, You had more than enough town support to lynch Nuke. Even I agree lynching him was worth losing the cop (It also helped that Town really didn't have a way of knowing WHY he was roleblocked until well after he was lynch/modkilled, either.) |
| Affinity:
Wow Kiro. I think I should try your method for once; it seems far more successful. Actually, interestingly, if I had gotted lynched or killed, would my flip be that of a Vanilla Townie, or a Doc? If it was latter, I think it would have messed up quite a lot of people. |
| Sodium:
--- Quote from: Affinity on August 01, 2009, 03:36:09 AM ---Wow Kiro. I think I should try your method for once; it seems far more successful. Actually, interestingly, if I had gotted lynched or killed, would my flip be that of a Vanilla Townie, or a Doc? If it was latter, I think it would have messed up quite a lot of people. --- End quote --- Vanilla. Which makes me wonder: What did Donut get? |
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