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Umineko Mafia - Day 4
Carthrat:
As Serp said, yeah, we figured if either of us was getting blocked it was me. >_>
We knew NF was (probably) not lying about being a cop and so he had to die. If it failed, well, shit, but what else can you do there? Cop/Doc in this setup would've crushed us. Jailer was a good choice, I liked how the setup fit together in general.
and yeah gms let's try to keep clarifications and stuff private instead of public unless absolutely necessary
also more allowing scum to chat during day plz :D:D:D:D:D:D I miss that so much
Pesco:
Wait for my game if you want scum daytalk.
Kiro:
The mods can confirm this, but I actually guessed Carth and Serp as the scumpair after I was NK'ed (It's true, he did). You should have let me live, it would have been more fun for you guys. :P I always seem to be a half-phase too late on these guesses.
I was 95% certain Carth was Scum after the Pesco flip. How you just latched onto Rou's case of Pesco on Day 1, the quick switch to NF on Day 2 and the quick vote on Pesco on Day 3... all of it without any of your own original points. Your lack of input Day 3 after Pesco was teetering at L-2 or L-1 stood out. I was going to call you out for who your second choice of lynch would be, but I didn't want to draw attention to myself as an NK target. But I guess that never works. I should have pressed harder on that while I still could and force you to converse with us.
Serp edged out Affinity as my second choice. After Pesco's flip, my case on Zakeri pretty much fell apart (Zak being the swing from what I thought was ScumPesco to TownDonut) and I pegged Zakeri as Town. That heightened my suspicion on Serp who had pegged Zakeri as his second choice of lynch after Pesco. Serp also coasted through Day 3 without much input and his wanting to lynch the lurker on Day 1 also felt "lazy" as well. Also Affinity's responses to me felt ok and I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he was contributing more at the time.
I was surprised and had my hopes up when Zak voted Serp on Day 4, I was expecting Carthrat to be an easier lynch. However, I was disappointed that Town decided to focus on what people said rather than how people voted. As we can make the case with all the mislynches this game, Townies can and do stay stupid scummy shit all the time. That never means they're actually scum. Conversely, Scum can say Townie stuff like "don't lynch the copclaim on Day 1", but that doesn't mean they're Town either. I guess Affinity didn't like it, but my way of doing things is to look at the votes more and speculate on the reasons why they would do it from a Town or Scum perspective. Sometimes the pieces click together better that way after we see some flips, particularly when the scummy looking Pesco got lynched as expected but flipped Town. It was so easy for Scum to push the Pesco mislynch and I saw Carth and Serp both do that. I was sad that Sodium got lynched because I thought he was Townie midway through Day 3 even after he buckled under pressure by unvoting Pesco Day 3 and part of his Day 4.
The big problem in this game is that NF and Pesco were so outlandish that I was unable to ignore them and had to get on their lynches. We lost 2 whole Days due to this and I've already told Pesco, but I'm more mad at him than NF because Pesco should know that Mafia is a team game and not do stupid shit like that. NF is only a first time offender although it was about as bad as you can get.
Carthrat:
You realise I'm never going to let you live if I'm scum and you're town, now, christ. >_<
?lice Bl?ckb?rn:
@Pesco: that wasn't a mod-confirmation you git, and even if it was, it only confirmed flavour, not alignment. Need I remind you that, while figuring out correctly who the two scum actually WERE post-lynch, all you did IN THE GAME was be a generally horrible distraction to Town? I mean really.
@Serp: Nietz wound up jailkeeping (not protecting - a jailkeeping is a protect+an RB) Carthrat N2, which is why I found it amusing that you suddenly switched to sending in NKs after N1 when Carthrat sent it in instead.
Also, if you're getting pangs of guilt, you're doing it wrong :P
Anyway, mod comments on the game!
Scum play was in general very good. Both Carthrat and Serpentarius have very good, distinct playstyles, and both were instrumental in securing an easy win for Scum in this game. Then again, this game didn't really need elaborate gambits or excellent debating skills - all that was needed was the ability to look like a Townie and harness the Town's horrible amounts of confusion and noise (this may be one of the worst mafia games I've ever seen when it comes to crappy SNR) to destroy them, which both Scum did excellently. Honestly, both of them were pretty good, so they both get a Co-MVP :P
One thing that I'm going to bring up again, is that Carthrat never actually used his power. I'm still quite amused by this, especially since it was a very GOOD one for scum. Meh.
Town on the other hand...
First off, I vote that Nucleaire Fusion gets a temporary ban from the next 5 mafia games, if not indefinetly. Seriously, that was just rage-inducing. ANYWAY.
Scummy Townies all around was basically what happened this game. Guys, is it that hard to look like a damn Townie when you ARE a damn Townie? It could have made this game go completely differently if you guys weren't practically leaping into the noose yourselves.
Not sure about Town MVP. Nietz deserves some cred for guessing Carth N2, Zakeri deserves some cred for catching Serp as scum, even if it's for slightly questionable reasons.