Author Topic: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win) (Read 45366 times)

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #870 on:** November 01, 2011, 05:12:50 PM »

Listen, there's NO WAY that I would've known Merryweather's inclination to compulsively target Duffman unless I am an ITP with a rolecop shot, and I used it on Bo Peep or Merryweather N1 to know that Merryweather was not what she claimed to be or Bo Peep had a compulsive part. For all intents and purposes, if I knew Bo Peep's role then I STILL would not have simply been able to reason Merryweather was actually an Inheritor and not a Cop.

It just doesn't make sense, and rightfully the only one who knows more about the roles is Gilgamesh as he was told they existed in advance in addition to having a functional vanilla power. It seems far more likely to me that Gilgamesh would know about Merryweather's powers and/or Bo Peep's powers, because just having knowledge of either would not let anyone connect the two dots. It's just crazy.

DiEnd · « **Reply #871 on:** November 01, 2011, 06:26:28 PM »

I don't know anymore code because:
-I didn't expect my codebreaker to die
-chai tea was a safety net in the case of Li being scum that I was in contact with Duffman. It was only the bare essentials for him he knew not our roles etc. I'm pretty sure.

It wasn't random. I chose Bo Peep's role because for one I thought I could jailkeep whoever the fuck I wanted not the cop. And two it came with a mason.
I didn't want rolecop because yeah a lot of good that is, when a protection role is available.
And fuck getting a jack of all trades pills when I was only aware of the one shot roleblock, jailkeeper could protect and roleblock, so I figured it was the better choice.

Just throwing it out there that drivekilling can go around protects. Since you know I wasn't going to target Krabs.
Alpha can you fullclaim flavor and everything again?

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #872 on:** November 01, 2011, 07:05:35 PM »

Except you claimed Cop: making you Cop Krabs and get Duffman's TOWN result would be tantamount to suicide. As I said, my bus drive shot would NOT inform the user that their target had changed. It's completely chaotic and useless.

Besides, Merryweather: you specifically said you were redirected. Did your PM or did it not tell you you had been redirected? I already used my redirect shot to ward off shots against Li Shang who I thought was Town at the time: since he isn't we can safely assume my shot did nothing and he just murdered Bardiche.

Yes, that was stupid of me and I really should've thought about it more but I didn't feel anyone else was scummy enough to direct the shot to and clearing Bardiche solely on role shens didn't strike me as the thing to do. I don't subscribe to roleclaim = auto-confirm as Town, and it's not crazy to have two scum wagons.

Going around protects by drivekilling assumes I knew:
A) Duffman is really the Cop.
B) Merryweather is not actually a Cop but a Mime, and her ability lets her take an ability from the dead.
C) Merryweather became a Mason and Jailer after Alpha60 shot Duff Beer.

Kick Hopper · « **Reply #873 on:** November 01, 2011, 07:09:22 PM »

Sure. I'm wordy wanda, and I use words to help me.

After 5 separate people post one of each of Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, Heart (one of the five could be me) I can summon a hero (a.k.a captain planet) to vig someone. I have to quote the five people with the words included then use the command "##GoPlanet: xxxx"

The only thing about Saki is that I am not sure why he'd busdrive duffman and krabs instead of himself and krabs.

after the vig merry, it was obvious that Duffbeer's truth serum was certain truth. Also the role of bo peep said that the roleblock was complusive to one target :/. Then again the mason buddy was nice.

Let me re-read D3, and Duffman specifically to look for interactions. I'm surprised Duffman did not tell you the code in full.

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #874 on:** November 01, 2011, 07:16:19 PM »

Just to confirm, Masons have Confirmed Alignments, right?

Skull · « **Reply #875 on:** November 01, 2011, 07:58:35 PM »

##Unvote
Running things through my mind again.

Skull · « **Reply #876 on:** November 01, 2011, 08:13:20 PM »

On another note, I don't see how there wasn't two deaths every Night, considering the fact there was a ITP and Scum.

Killed will be by scum, disappear by ITP

Lets disect the NKs
N1
Bo Peep - Killed by

Kanji - Redirected Disappearace by Saki
N2
Bardiche - Redirect killed by Saki
Megaman.EXE - Modkilled
N3
Mr.Krabs - Modkilled
Duffman - Disappeared by

...SO apparantly the only time someone didn't disappear was when I was roleblocked.

Saki I ask of you to claim who you Redirected, since from the sound of Redirection, you Need to Pick 2 People.
Which two did you pick for each night?

Kick Hopper · « **Reply #877 on:** November 01, 2011, 08:42:57 PM »

Gil, I'm pretty sure Saki claimed N1 - vig kanji, N2 - redirect anything that happens to Li unto Bard, N3 - Nothing.

Now considering Merry claimed she got redirected unto krabs and Saki claims she did not use her BusDrive ability N3, I happen to think one of them is lying.

As I was rereading a thought struck me.

I think it is possible to verify this if we wait a night by no lynching. I am currently going over some situations assuming the Itp/last scum (you never know) can kill tonight. First Saki has to use the busdriver ability. Then Gilgamesh has to confirm it. Merry then has to protect/roleblock either me or herself.

Of course I don't expect things to go to plan. The hitch I've encountered so far is this. If Saki busdrove Gil and himself, would a roleblock/protect take priority over the swap if Merryweather targeted Gil (as long as Gil himself gets to identify someone I think this will work)? I haven't gone over all the situations yet, but I'm pretty sure this works. I shall continue plotting until I find something that works irregardless of who is ITP/scum.

Actually This doesn't work if ITP/Scum targets Saki to kill Gil. Still I think there is a win somewhere in this. (Oddly enough this is EXACTLY how to think about calculations/combinations in chess.)

Skull · « **Reply #878 on:** November 01, 2011, 08:53:56 PM »

Alpha 60 all your clarification did is make me suspect Saki more.

Lets change things to what you said.

N1
Bo Peep - NK
Kanji - Vigged - Disappear by Saki
N2
Bardiche - Redirected from Li - Saki
Megaman.EXE - Modkilled
N3
Mr.Krabs - Modkilled
Duffman - Disappeared.

Well what do yah know, from NK actions, I deduct Saki is most likely killer. On the night I ate the roleblock pill,
there was no disappearance, and Saki uses Redirect.
N3
Saki claims to have done nothing, yet 3 scum are dead.
N1 Vigged target has same death flavor as N3.

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #879 on:** November 01, 2011, 08:56:36 PM »

Li claimed to be the last scum. I don't see any reason for him to lie about being the last one.

Alpha 60, there's a hitch in your plan: if Merry targets me, then I can't bus drive. If ITP!Merry claims not to have roleblocked me, who would you believe? Would you believe that I'd been roleblocked if Merry claimed to have targeted herself for protection? What if the mod doesn't tell you if you've been roleblocked if you speak truly and you have only one night action?

Your proposed plan requires a trust of all living members. I'm not afraid to prove I still have the bus drive shot, but I am afraid that if Merry roleblocks me there is no fudging way in hell you'd believe me and simply accuse me of being the ITP.

Gilgamesh, I could only redirect once, and I picked Duffman. All actions targeting Duffman'd hit Bardiche.

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #880 on:** November 01, 2011, 08:57:07 PM »

... you're using flavour as a reason to cast suspicion on me? What the fuck.

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #881 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:00:17 PM »

Moreover, the opening post states that the scumteam can kill AND use their role in the same night. Why do you think that means an ITP CANNOT do both?

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #882 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:02:05 PM »

The above in that just because I used redirect N2 is no reason to imply that is the cause of a missing action: besides, from what Merryweather claims she was redirected last night AND a kill occured.

DiEnd · « **Reply #883 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:04:10 PM »

... You claimed you redirected from Li -> Bardiche earlier.

Again. All I know is that I successfully did my creepy mime cuddles to Krabs.

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #884 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:06:31 PM »

Er, right, Li->Bardiche. Sorry OK I'm rather distraught over this entire situation, I want this game to end already and lynch the ITP but it's become harder when you try your best to support Town and their response is LOL URE ITP HERE ARE ~ROLE SHENS~

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #885 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:07:45 PM »

That Gilgamesh is now using FLAVOUR of all things to push a mislynch makes me headdesk completely. He's spent all the game being useless and now he's coming back with LOL FLAVOUR HERE YOU GO. Seriously, what the shit, when has a mod ever used flavour to help Town?

Kick Hopper · « **Reply #886 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:20:42 PM »

Quote from: Saki Morimi on November 01, 2011, 09:07:45 PM

That Gilgamesh is now using FLAVOUR of all things to push a mislynch makes me headdesk completely. He's spent all the game being useless and now he's coming back with LOL FLAVOUR HERE YOU GO. Seriously, what the shit, when has a mod ever used flavour to help Town?

This happened in Px's game. On two counts.

I forgot why Merry roleblocking you made sense to me. Oh, that's because it would clear completely both me and Gil, so in 3 person lylo, we'd have at least one confirmed town.

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #887 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:24:42 PM »

"Here's a plan with a flaw; but I don't mind that flaw because it clears me to be Confirmed Townie!"

Yeah, fuck, no.

Skull · « **Reply #888 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:25:37 PM »

Hell yeah I'm adding Flavor to the list is reasons. The main point is still NK analysis.
~~Then what was your action N2?~~
~~Alpha 60 claims that you said you directed anything from Li rather then Duffman~~
What Merryweather said.

Also you want to know Mod helped players by flavor? [b]PX[/b]
I have reason to be scared.
What Alpha said.

...On another note When did you start using AtE?

Also, how do you forget people you target? Even in pressure, to forget someone you specifically targetted seems quite difficult.
Your mask is cracking.

And I can throw your logic of "If ___ can use kill and roles why can't ___" out the window because if they can, they have no reason to have not had 3 kills by now.

On another note, I read your distraught over this situation as seemingly unable to get a plausible lynch on anyone other then yourself. due to role shenanigans.

##Vote Saki
If I'm wrong screw me, I'm sticking with this.

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #889 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:26:54 PM »

Except, Gilgamesh, Merry claims to have been redirected AND a kill happened. So that's your evidence right the fuck there.

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #890 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:32:08 PM »

In fact fuck it, there you go.

##Vote: Gilgamesh

The reason there wasn't an N2 kill is because you were roleblocked. Night 3 there was a redirect AND a kill, proving that the ITP can dual-act as well. Your attempts to pretend that they can't are solidly misleading enough.

Skull · « **Reply #891 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:33:18 PM »

##Unvote

I had forgot about something.
Merryweather, You claimed Mime and has copied Bo peep's powers, do you have any other powers or was it one shot obtaining?

Skull · « **Reply #892 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:33:38 PM »

##Unvote

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #893 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:33:48 PM »

Coincidentally you admit you targeted Merryweather tonight by claiming player name and she hasn't denied it; no reason to believe ITP can't have a "cover" ability like that.

Kaku Seiga · « **Reply #894 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:38:01 PM »

And you keep hounding Alpha and Merry over if they have other abilities: afraid one of them is a Tracker or something? Yeah, I'm just going to go with Gilgamesh. Fuckall for contribution the entire game, just hanging back and never scumhunting, claims functional vanilla in a game where everyone's had a useful game, does nothing but role speculate for the endgame AND pushes wrong logic to attack someone despite there being evidence to the contrary.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if the mod gave ITP a "safeclaim" cover in the form of De-anonymiser.

DiEnd · « **Reply #895 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:46:52 PM »

Ack oh. ... Mother fucker.

I can do this Gil lynch you two summed it up nicely.

If for some reason this is wrong, (dear God) it comes down to trying to outguess nod and ITP for me, isn't that exciting?
##Vote:Gilgamesh

DiEnd · « **Reply #896 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:47:40 PM »

ebwop. That wasn't alpha who cut me :V

Skull · « **Reply #897 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:48:18 PM »

Can I fucking self hammer? Because thats how I feel like doing at the moment. But then I can't call myself failed self hammerer...and I know I'm town so doing it is even fucking worse.

Merryweather I want you to answer my question.

Kick Hopper · « **Reply #898 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:54:25 PM »

So. You know there MAY be a way to no lynch to prove one of Gil / Bard is verifing their role.

Also I believe this post makes me confirmed town :toot:

Kick Hopper · « **Reply #899 on:** November 01, 2011, 09:55:22 PM »

Oh wait Merry could still Roleblock/protect if she is town during the night.