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| Drake:
--- Quote from: Great Theorist Onizuka on June 30, 2009, 03:10:50 PM ---I'd argue against the Watatsuki's being called Mary Sues (because really, they're not), but no-one would listen to me --- End quote --- Even if they're not the perfect description of a Mary Sue, they pretty much were just written as characters who could pretty much beat anyone by barely doing anything. Even at the end, they were never really beaten per se, they just got tricked. Even Yukari has a bit of reason for generally being able to obliterate everything, but even she can lose disputes through danmaku (coincidentally, it was implemented for cases like this and is likely as such the only way for her to lose a fight). Of course, the only reason that they were so much stronger than anyone was the lack of spell card rules to follow and other such devices, but either way it's easy to see how everyone describes them as Mary Sues. I myself think the same. Of course you can have a villain in a story that originally beats the protagonists because that's just a general plot point, but it really was a bit off. |
| Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin:
--- Quote from: Drake on July 01, 2009, 10:36:57 PM --- --- Quote from: Great Theorist Onizuka on June 30, 2009, 03:10:50 PM ---I'd argue against the Watatsuki's being called Mary Sues (because really, they're not), but no-one would listen to me --- End quote --- Even if they're not the perfect description of a Mary Sue, they pretty much were just written as characters who could pretty much beat anyone by barely doing anything. Even at the end, they were never really beaten per se, they just got tricked. Even Yukari has a bit of reason for generally being able to obliterate everything, but even she can lose disputes through danmaku (coincidentally, it was implemented for cases like this and is likely as such the only way for her to lose a fight). Of course, the only reason that they were so much stronger than anyone was the lack of spell card rules to follow and other such devices, but either way it's easy to see how everyone describes them as Mary Sues. I myself think the same. Of course you can have a villain in a story that originally beats the protagonists because that's just a general plot point, but it really was a bit off. --- End quote --- This. If it was me doing it, I'd've (a) gone out of my way to show the protagonists' strengths, and (b) shown Yorihime with skill, not hax. She'd win, not because she goes "Can't touch this!", but because she's an equal or better fighter. She'd lose to Reimu, not because the latter goes "no u," but at least in part because she was getting worn out. (For maximum comedy, she'd be so worn out that Reimu would KO her by flicking her forehead. And then she'd carry her unconscious form to the Capital.) And Toyohime's "destroy-everything haxweapon" wouldn't be just a fan. It'd be something physically huge, and we'd see it beforehand, with hints as to its purpose. I still can't think of anything that could possibly top Spoiler: a swimsuit-party in a library in the middle of winter, though. |
| BoLaD:
--- Quote from: KimikoMuffin on July 01, 2009, 11:07:44 PM --- --- Quote from: Drake on July 01, 2009, 10:36:57 PM --- --- Quote from: Great Theorist Onizuka on June 30, 2009, 03:10:50 PM ---I'd argue against the Watatsuki's being called Mary Sues (because really, they're not), but no-one would listen to me --- End quote --- Even if they're not the perfect description of a Mary Sue, they pretty much were just written as characters who could pretty much beat anyone by barely doing anything. Even at the end, they were never really beaten per se, they just got tricked. Even Yukari has a bit of reason for generally being able to obliterate everything, but even she can lose disputes through danmaku (coincidentally, it was implemented for cases like this and is likely as such the only way for her to lose a fight). Of course, the only reason that they were so much stronger than anyone was the lack of spell card rules to follow and other such devices, but either way it's easy to see how everyone describes them as Mary Sues. I myself think the same. Of course you can have a villain in a story that originally beats the protagonists because that's just a general plot point, but it really was a bit off. --- End quote --- This. If it was me doing it, I'd've (a) gone out of my way to show the protagonists' strengths, and (b) shown Yorihime with skill, not hax. She'd win, not because she goes "Can't touch this!", but because she's an equal or better fighter. She'd lose to Reimu, not because the latter goes "no u," but at least in part because she was getting worn out. (For maximum comedy, she'd be so worn out that Reimu would KO her by flicking her forehead. And then she'd carry her unconscious form to the Capital.) And Toyohime's "destroy-everything haxweapon" wouldn't be just a fan. It'd be something physically huge, and we'd see it beforehand, with hints as to its purpose. I still can't think of anything that could possibly top Spoiler: a swimsuit-party in a library in the middle of winter, though. --- End quote --- I honestly don't know what the term "Mary Sue" means, but I actually liked the Watatsuki's very much. In fact, I liked SSiB as a whole a lot. I actually liked the fan Toyohime used, but I do admit the fight scenes could have used a little work, and I never got to see a Toyohime vs Yukari fight or the full Reimu vs Yorohime fight. |
| Drake:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mary+sue http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mary_Sue |
| Hieda no Aya:
--- Quote from: Great Theorist Onizuka on July 01, 2009, 09:58:04 PM ---Kind of off topic, but I suppose I should get around to reading the fairies at some point, seeing how they're the only official doujin that I haven't read at all yet... Is it worth reading? --- End quote --- Well, it's very much slice of life. The majority of it is either the three fairies hanging out or Reimu and Marisa hanging out doing nothing; guest stars happen, but they're the exception, and the little storylines don't always have a resolution, nor will they ever get epic. Personally, I like it a lot now, but it did take me a while to get into, and I do think the earlier chapters are in general less interesting. I also had to go out of my way to cultivate an interest in the three fairies individually instead of just regarding them as a single unit, which naturally made their parts much more entertaining. Reimu and Marisa hanging out doing nothing is all to the good in my book, anyway. Oh yeah, and as for SSiB -- the scanslations are halted for now, but most of the rest does have scans and text translations on voile somewhere, if you just want to read. (Except the last chapter hasn't been translated somehow.) |
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