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Lexicat

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #510 on: September 21, 2011, 02:46:40 AM »
Vote: Capt.H
 
Scum on interactions and voting history Re: ActionDan
 
I'll explain more detailed later, but it's night night time now.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #511 on: September 21, 2011, 02:50:28 AM »
... Except it's Kingmaker day. I knew that.
 
Unvote; Vote: LLD
 
FoS: Capt.H
 
Give me the King, and I will hammer down Capt.Scum.
 
More on WHY he's Cpt.Scum in the morning.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #512 on: September 21, 2011, 02:52:38 AM »
GODDAMNIT PX.

Now we'll never get the goddamn explanation for Youkai Jesus's actions unless LAMBDA, you were his mentor hydra, tell us the fuck what he was doing and why.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #513 on: September 21, 2011, 02:55:25 AM »
I can do that for you tonight.
 
What she was doing? Asking me what to do.
 
What he did when I wasn't around to help her? God only knows.
 
All I know is that those few coherent posts on Day 1 with the ActionDan post were all mine (like, literally word for word) and after that I basically let her post for day 2 and watched where she went with my original Day 1 advice on how to play.
 
That worked out poorly.
 
Anyway, that;'s it for tonight.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #514 on: September 21, 2011, 04:35:38 AM »
Welp.

I have an slight town read on LLD. I believe her when she says she made the Action Dan case, and I don't think she would mentor Youkai Jesus into super bussing a scum buddy on day 1 if she were mentoring scum. Still annoyed about the accusations now, cases later attitude. I would like her to tell us if she has any objections to giving Bardiche kinghood.

I don't think Hero is scum. I'm not sure Hero even knew that there was a roleblocker. Looking back through his posts he did actually double check with Huh What about Dormio, and even doubted Huh What's role claim. His reactions to the situation fit the part of a player that didn't know Shadoweh was role blocked.

I've come to the conclusion that Dormio benefitted the most from Huh What's death. Huh What wanted to vig either Dormio, Bard, or YJ today. I think YJ is more likely than not to have been town, and I simply could not find Bard scummy in my reread. And Chaore wouldn't have gained anything from last night's kill and the elimination of Huh What's piercing shot, because Huh What wasn't suspicious of him. Chaore scum would probably be shooting itself in the foot with a Huh What kill, considering I admit I would have gone for his lynch today too. However, Dormio was not only suspected scum, but had already been shot by Huh What before.

Even with Dormio's explanation I don't like how little attention he gave Dan yesterday - unlike Zak, he had quite a few more posts in which to discuss it, and frankly I find the way he interacted with Dan suspicious - mutual town reads day 1, and then simply accepting Dan's fake note, followed by pretty much ignoring Dan day 2. I would like his read on Hero. I would also like his reads on everyone else - his focus has been very narrow this game, so it's unclear where he stands on any of the living players that are not Chaore.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #515 on: September 21, 2011, 04:55:51 AM »
and then simply accepting Dan's fake note, followed by pretty much ignoring Dan day 2.
Hi! What's up people!
On the topic of ActionDan, I don't see why we wouldn't want him lynched today. I mean, from what I understand, if Polaris targets scum then Polaris dies, right?
The bold in the night flavor suggests that Polaris had indeed targetted ActionDan, and he was a hider, so he targets scum and dies, right?
In addition, I find myself agreeing wholly with Bardiche's #341.
Similarly, I think that ActionDan is scum.
This is totally me ignoring ActionDan throughout D2.
And #397 is me simply accepting Dan's fake note. Totally.

As for a list of reads on the living players?

Dislike: Chaore
Dunno, lol: LLD, Rikter, Zakeri, capt.h
Probably town: Bardiche, Hero
Totally Town: Me

Chaore: Will reiterate if need be when not at uni.
LLD, Rikter: Need to see more content from both of them. Eagerly awaiting LLD content posts.
Zakeri, capt.h: I've only really skimmed you two, will reread when not at uni.
Hero999: Despite Chaore's statements to the contrary, it's not even as if Hero withheld information from town for so long. ActionDan self hammered 24 hours into D1, so all sense of "delaying information" and the like is amplified. Is mainly here not because of his own merits but because of how Chaore is attacking him.
Bardiche: I don't really have to say anything here, do I?
Me: It's like I'm in some harem situation, surrounded by beautiful women. :D

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #516 on: September 21, 2011, 05:27:52 AM »
I meant that you accepted the mod confirm as worthless immediately. You didn't have to think it through at all, like Bardiche did.

You had a lot of tunnel vision this game. You were pretty sure Action Dan was scum, but focused almost all your attention on the Shadoweh case and placed Dan to the side. You actually did something similar with NeoSerela, where you begin your vote on her by making a case on Shadoweh, having it shift mid way to Serela, voting Serela, and then making another case on Shadoweh until people started voting you for cheerleading Shadoweh while voting Serela. It bothers me that there's only one player you have a scum/suspicious read on right now, so I'd like to know if there is anyone else you consider scummy or suspicious, and why. Course, that can wait until after Uni.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #517 on: September 21, 2011, 12:05:21 PM »
LLD: YJ seemed to imply he wasn't an incompetent newbie. Care to explain that? Most inconvenient replacement for Town ever.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #518 on: September 21, 2011, 01:42:40 PM »
No matter how many times I read Youkai Jesus or Rikter, I cannot get anything out of it.
Youkai Jesus says nothing at all and Rikter simply reports information. wat do?
I do, however, find a few things off about capt.h's D3.
In particular, #514 which seems to consist largely of a miserable pile of NK speculation.
Will post again when it's not midnight and I am sane once more.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #519 on: September 21, 2011, 04:22:11 PM »
"Wishing for someone else's happiness means someone has to be cursed to suffer as much. That's what it means to be a Puella Magi."



The Twenty Second Magia Votecount!
Bardiche (2) - Hero999, Chaore
Lady Lambdadelta (1) - Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to promote.
Day 3 ends in ~33.5 hours.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2011, 12:57:16 AM by Kyubey PX »

Bardiche

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #520 on: September 21, 2011, 04:54:00 PM »
So! Reading Durrmio! My head hurts now.

I agree on the sentiments that Dormio has a strange disconnect in his cases where he spends the better part of the post (better both in terms of size and quality) on Shadoweh, then latches onto Serela for mystery reasons. Mystery being why he's worse than Shadoweh at that point.

That he later completely disregards Serela's response is damning, naturally. I note, with amusement, that Dormio has the same pattern as ActionDan with regards to excuses. Being locked out, then it's RtD. He says he dislikes the people with low content. Up to that point his content has been the solely singular post dedicated to Shadoweh and ending with Serela. I DON'T NEED TO POINT OUT HOW SCUMMY IT IS TO PRETEND YOU'RE NOT LOW CONTENT YOURSELF AMIRITE.

His attack on Shadoweh is a chainsaw defence of ActionDan. Textbook example of Chainsaw. He attacks what's wrong with her case but never touches on other scumminess in Shadomeh. Dropping the case on Chaore is interesting; there were two Chaore posts inbetween his statement that Chaore was scummy and that he isn't, and the difference in situation is that no one voted Chaore later but someone voted him earlier. Sheeping?

His case against Serela is that Serela is defending Chaore; indeed not the Towniest thing to do... except it's a nulltell until the defended flips. In which case it's STILL just a light tell. There's vague reference to "stuff". His only redeeming point is that "Serela has no opinions".

He ends with that he's making another post. And makes two quick one-liners inbetween. His eventual post is again lulz so late and it's a defence of Dan with more cheerlead of Shadoweh and stubborn insistance on Serela despite his case on Shadoweh being much stronger.

The "will need a reread" on Polaris never comes and his opening post for D2 is rather lackluster: just a claim. His next post is better in which he finally puts that vote on Shadoweh (in the next post), but he suddenly swings from "ActionDan is town" to "ActionDan is scum", and then just buddies up to me by agreeing with everything I've said.

Now, don't get me wrong. I love it when people agree. Just not when they previously thought the behaviour was Town! He blankets Huh What as Town despite never talking about Huh What much (if at all) before, which is a curious thing. If someone tried to vig me, I'd call them goddamn scum.

His later justification for not trusting ActionDan's power is odd, given how that rule about bolded was added later.

He never bothers to really push for his case, and doesn't appear to even acknowledge Hero pulling out a rolecop result on Shadoweh or anything. You'd think he'd grasp that with two hands like UNFUNFUNF because it's helping him push his preferred lynch. Except not. And while he dropped Dan IMMEDIATELY NO QUESTIONS ASKED, he turns to the one who tried to argue we shouldn't ignore treestump. Honestly I found Chaore reasonable in refusing to blatantly disregard a power that could confirm as Town, even if I refused to believe ActionDan was Town because.

The reason I dislike Dormio for not pushing ActionDan is because for a while whether or not AD would be lynched was questionable. People were clearly mulling it over and trying to make sense of the role soup (and I need to look back there to see who were stirring the pot with confusion), trying to convince people AD was scum was certainly a sensible Town thing to do.

TL;DR QQ DORMIO CAN GO DIE.
Is he my top scum pick? Not sure. Reading others!

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #521 on: September 21, 2011, 04:56:30 PM »
Also ##Vote: Bardiche, totally the Towniest.

Lambda is crazy if she thinks I'd vote someone whose presence in the game thus far has been a predecessor lying to Town and pretending to be a newbie, then claiming he isn't and replacing out without explanation. The explanation LLD gives also doesn't satisfy me because YJ certainly didn't hint at anything like that, and as usual late-game replacements much up scum reads something fierce, which is why I hate replacements so late in the game.

Based on YJ's activities I can't see myself being opposed to lynching Lambda.

Bardiche

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #522 on: September 21, 2011, 04:56:57 PM »
Muck up*. How does I write English.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #523 on: September 21, 2011, 06:15:40 PM »
@Bard: YJ was mod killed, and also,
"And I never said I was supertown extraordinaire :<. I didn't even imply it. Yuassume? Also, didn't I like state-what-Lambda-told-me-to-state-and-why-Actiondan-was-scum thing."

This is what YJ said before she got Modkilled and Replaced. So its likely Lamdda is telling the truth.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #524 on: September 21, 2011, 06:26:35 PM »
Cool story bro.

Alright, looking at Hero, then YJ and I'll have finished my reads for the day hopefully.

Hero's first post is actually no that interesting. His second post is more interesting, as it has an accusation leveled at Serela due to "how easily Serela picks scum"... just because you find something difficult doesn't mean others need to. In fact I can confidently state my top scum picks are Everyone, and that doesn't really make me scum. Does it?

Most of the post is fencesitting. There's no clear opinion coming forth and everyone mentioned is paranoia. That he chides YJ for not having a reason is quite silly, given his reason for voting Shadoweh is that she was confident JOB was Town. Unless you count her throwing joketeams (his words not mine) as a reason to vote her but Hero's unclear.

"That's about all I feel like doing" doesn't really instill me an idea that you're doing everything you can! I do like his questioning of Shadoweh on the JOB VS Capt H point.

aaaaaaaaah hero you are so confusing to read, finishing later I am going to eat. Posting because I am a bro.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #525 on: September 21, 2011, 06:43:09 PM »
Augh also Hero999 claim your N1 target. N0 = Shadoweh, N2 = Bardiche. So yeah. Not willing to buy into Town!Hero just for revealing the SK, no sir.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #526 on: September 21, 2011, 06:48:06 PM »
huh..?
N0...?
N1 was Shadoweh
N2 was Bard

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #527 on: September 21, 2011, 06:50:23 PM »
For some reason I keep thinking Night 0 counts as an actual Night. Goddamnit PX.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #528 on: September 21, 2011, 09:53:36 PM »
His later justification for not trusting ActionDan's power is odd, given how that rule about bolded was added later.
Actually, that rule has been there from the the beginning of the game.

Regarding my Day 1, you people are all going on about how I made a case on Shadoweh whilst continuing to vote for Serela, but I don't get what you're expecting me to do.
I mean, Serela wasn't posting. How do I update opinions on somebody that hasn't responded or reacted to anything?

On Day 2, I made the assumption that Dan was going to be lynched, and decided to push my case on Shadoweh as the secondary lynch. I don't really see what's wrong with this.

Anyway, I'm going to be attempting to reread again.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #529 on: September 21, 2011, 10:16:45 PM »
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On Day 2, I made the assumption that Dan was going to be lynched, and decided to push my case on Shadoweh as the secondary lynch. I don't really see what's wrong with this.

The part where you never mention ActionDan as your primary lynch.

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Actually, that rule has been there from the the beginning of the game.

It wasn't there from the start; something bolded like that would surely have caught my notice.

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Regarding my Day 1, you people are all going on about how I made a case on Shadoweh whilst continuing to vote for Serela, but I don't get what you're expecting me to do.
I mean, Serela wasn't posting. How do I update opinions on somebody that hasn't responded or reacted to anything?

You what? Ahaha, what? Scroll up from here, then down. Are you for real. ARE YOU FOR REAL.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #530 on: September 21, 2011, 10:33:41 PM »
On the first point, I was pretty sure he was going to be lynched, I would have said more had there been anything more to say.

On the second point, it was there from the start, it just wasn't bolded at first.

On the third point thing, I got cut by it and then my brain exploded. Whatevs.

Anyway, let me reread!

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #531 on: September 21, 2011, 10:38:32 PM »
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Bro, Serela posted multiple times that day, each time with you not deigning to acknowledge the post much. He's not as much of a lurker as you now try to make him out to be. He even voted you at some point.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #532 on: September 21, 2011, 10:39:27 PM »
And I believe I addressed him up until that point where my brain exploded.

Bardiche

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #533 on: September 21, 2011, 10:44:40 PM »
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I mean, Serela wasn't posting. How do I update opinions on somebody that hasn't responded or reacted to anything?

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Not the point bro. I don't see any reason to believe you aren't part of a secret society. Being part of a secret society is treasonous and grounds for summary execution.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #534 on: September 22, 2011, 01:16:01 AM »
Bardiche -  We have about 24 hours left by my count, and it looks like you'll be king. I think we should start asking for full claims from the players you want to lynch. That'll give us 24 hours to digest their claims and come to a conclusion.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #535 on: September 22, 2011, 01:30:01 AM »
I want everyone to state, with two paragraphs of reasoning at least, who should die and why. Pick two if you have to. I'm not deciding this solo.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #536 on: September 22, 2011, 02:48:11 AM »
"Wishing for someone else's happiness means someone has to be cursed to suffer as much. That's what it means to be a Puella Magi."



The Twenty Third Loop Votecount!
Bardiche (3) - Hero999, Chaore, Bardiche
Lady Lambdadelta (1) - Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to promote.
Day 3 ends in 23 hours.

Friendly reminder that you have 23 hours to both elect a King AND lynch someone.

Rikter, Zakeri, Lady Lambadelta, and Chaore have been prodded. :|
« Last Edit: September 22, 2011, 03:37:08 AM by Kyubey PX »

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #537 on: September 22, 2011, 02:58:51 AM »
Bardiche - There is a slight distinction between players that "need to die" and the players one think's most likely to be scum. I'd like you to state who you think is most likely to be scum in terms of whether they're scum or not.

In that regard, I think Dormio is very likely to be scum. You and I have both stated reasons we find him scummy. In addition to those,  I've concluded that I don't like his reads post at all, because he's basically admitted that he only had reads on three of the living players (discluding himself) - Hero, yourself, and Chaore. And even with Hero, his read doesn't seem to stem from reasons he think's Hero is town, but from the fact that he finds Chaore's attack on Hero invalid. When pressed for a second scum pick, he says he finds me off for my day 3 and doesn't like me for my 514; doesn't pursue a second scum beyond that. It looks like (to me) he hadn't looked into anyone today except Chaore. To be fair to him, he did blame not having reads on RIKTER and YJ on their lurking, but I would like him to give me his Zak read, who has definitely posted enough content for him to have an opinion.

Rikter is extremely hard to judge. Rikter's play was mostly reporting and very little scum hunting; truthfully I think we would have placed him just as far in the "needs to die" catagory as YJ was if it weren't for YJ being more obvious. I'm slightly worried about him because he's so difficult to read and has a great job of not being noticed, so I find him a bigger possible threat to town than YJ ever was because he's the one town is more likely to forget about in its analysis.

On reread, I find him extremely suspicious. On day 1 he thought NeoSerela was obviously suspicious so he voted Polaris for not finding NeoSerela suspicious. After that he doesn't have cases so much as reporting back parts of the game and telling us why he didn't think we should lynch more than 2 people yesterday. In addition, his last post was a misrepresentation of me. However, I can't say I have enough information to make a proper judgement. I still want what I ask from him every day and what you asked for in your last post; a couple paragraphs detailing his scum picks and the reasons for each.

In that regard I still have problems with Chaore. His day 2 was mostly about the setup rather than scum hunting, and he pushed a false dichotemy that would have cleared Action Dan by clearing Huh What when he suggested lynching neither of them. He also suggested killing the rolecop with no case, and immediately jumped to call Hero a liar before fully understanding what was going on. My second pick for the lynch at the moment.

Hero's play isn't what I'd call optimal I admit, but it would take a lot to convince me he's scum. Looking through his yesterday his reactions match up with a player that role-copped Shadoweh and didn't know she was role-blocked - as evidenced by how he questioned Huh What on the night kill and suspected his claim, for example. His play looks to me like it assumed Shadoweh tried to kill Dormio, and ran on that assumption. Probably town, and I mention him because I'm opposed to lynching him.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #538 on: September 22, 2011, 03:53:23 AM »
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<Chaore> Keine yell at my computer and make it start working right.
<Keine-tan> Chaore's computer, start working right.
<Chaore> that's not yelling
<Chaore> wait what the fuck it's working again

Still want Hero lynched. Not going to change anytime soon.

His Day 3 has basically been trying to prove me as CLEVER AND WITTINGLY TRYING TO GET US TO LYNCH THE TOTALLY TOWN ROLECOP. Not about how I'm scum or anything, just trying to make it look like I'm totally scum trying to get him lynched. I'm going to note again that, no, I'm not willing to overlook the fact he literally wasn't anywhere near as reactive to how he should've been to the fact he knew about a serial killer. It may be hard to tell because he says -absolutely nothing- during the course of day 2 beyond 'I think you're suspicious and your claim is suspicious and I want shadoweh dead!' after what he tries to push off as totally townily voting ActionDan after results came in and he seemed screwed. Even though the day was uh, 24 hours, It literally does not seem like he ever intended to make a good actual post reasoning why anyone was suspicious and why we should've lynched Shadoweh besides his rolecop claim.

This is actually fucking proven given how he just goes 'Haha! I have role-related reason as to why I want shadoweh dead!' the moment anyone asks for more on why he wants her dead. This is both proving he's not actually trying to scumhunt and is just falling back on a role to provide his cases for him, and an extreme willingness to divulge information that will make him look 'townie' with no effort- Which given he's tried to tout how I'm -totally- trying to off the town rolecop and am scum, is not a false statement even if the townie cred he thinks is there is not. It's also coasting and riding out a lynch without being totally inconspicuous- Like I said, he'd probably have just stuck to his claim and not done an actual lick of scumhunting (As he has coincidentally done today.)

@capt.h: Please stop bringing up 'argh can we just lynch everyone' as if that was a serious suggestion rather than exasperation at what the fuck was going on, and please don't go 'He misunderstood what Bard said as saying Hero was lying, clearly he is scum instead of not very good at reading'. That's trying to make small things into scumtells, which they aren't in the least.

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Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
« Reply #539 on: September 22, 2011, 04:35:08 AM »
This is me posting in Mafia.
 
I can't explain ANYTHING of YJ's play outside of "it's illogical and should be completely ignored."
 
That being said, I would like to direct your attention to Capt.H's stance on Action Dan D1, when the only people who really were interested in the case YJ posted were Bard and YJ. Capt.H's stance was non-committal enough to bus, but not enough to give traction. A perfect scum stance.
 
I have ~MILD PARANOIA~ about Bard being King.
 
But, I agree that Bard is likely town.