Author Topic: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5! (Read 37329 times)

Hero999 · « **Reply #300 on:** September 17, 2011, 11:53:21 PM »

...Dear god the new rule is going to kill everything.

Bardiche · « **Reply #301 on:** September 18, 2011, 12:01:38 AM »

Awesome we can lynch everyone at once. 8D

So today is potential LYLO. gud 2 know

Which reminds me while we wait for ActionDan to come in with an explanation on why he's not scum, there's a Youkai Jesus yesterday that deftly avoided stating an opinion one way or the other on the two cases, and I want him to explain why he refused to do so. Mindlessly sheeping is Not OK, and I don't care if you're a newbie or not. You don't need to be a veteran to know that "omg what do i do ##VOTE LOL" is A Bad Move. I don't think he's scum because it's mindbogglingly derp. Explanations are still needed because if that happens at LYLO, we lose by default.

ActionDan · « **Reply #302 on:** September 18, 2011, 12:09:42 AM »

I call shenanegans. I townie [redacted] with the capablility to confirm myself as town when I please but lose [redacted power].

PX · « **Reply #303 on:** September 18, 2011, 12:20:51 AM »

Dormio is on V/LA for One Day.

Proceed as normal.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #304 on:** September 18, 2011, 01:06:44 AM »

Holy fuck they were both town.

Dan, if you can confirm yourself you better pull that out now. The only way you can be innocent is if Polaris got nightkilled, and from the look of the flavor someone tried to kill Dormio last night. In fact if Dormio can confirm this, there are 0 situations that end with anything besides Polaris checked you and died because you're scum.

This opens an even stranger question. Dormio wasn't being super active yesterday, why would anyone try to kill him? Looking through him in ISO ~~shows alot of roll to dodge~~ shows alot of uhm.. the only people he hates are Serela and me. In fact he spends most of his posts tunneling on our now dead cop and says Dan is town. Ques ce fuck?

Abput the rules: It seems PX stole the Dreaming God while he was at it. I would assume those are going to change every day. Two kills today on scumspects would be idea, three if we're really certain who's a suspect. We have an infinite amount of vig shots today if we want them.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #305 on:** September 18, 2011, 01:08:50 AM »

Polly must have been the scum kill.

Dormio is either bulletproof or PX just hates me.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #306 on:** September 18, 2011, 01:09:36 AM »

Also, my role has multiple shots, so I have no idea why we're being offered two lynches today, given the Hider. <_< Maybe this game just has Psycho's Plot balance in terms of deaths.

Bardiche · « **Reply #307 on:** September 18, 2011, 01:47:00 AM »

Also Dormio being granted away on leave when we need him most LOL wut. He needs to explain if he knows about what happened tonight and ffffffffffff this game.

Huh What are you claiming vigging Dormio or something.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #308 on:** September 18, 2011, 01:53:14 AM »

Well I am still here so I'll make a quick post.
I'm Ayumu Aikawa, townie zombie, which is the equivalent of bulletproof. I'm notified when I'm killed and I was told that I died last night.
Anyway, I'll be back tomorrow or whatever. Sorry about the V/LA.

Hero999 · « **Reply #309 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:02:32 AM »

##Vote Actiondan
Claim was proved Correct. Scum is right there.

Bardiche · « **Reply #310 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:02:39 AM »

┐(￣ー￣)┌ So does that mean Polaris died due to a vig shot or due to hiding in Scum's shadow? I'm betting on the latter.

##Vote: ActionDan

Bardiche · « **Reply #311 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:06:35 AM »

##Unvote

Actually no. I want to hear Huh What. I want to hear him hard. Are you claiming you vig'd Dormio.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #312 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:08:13 AM »

Yes, I attempted to vig Dormio. I have four nightvigs which PX says are all the same aside from flavor. If I used one, then I can't shoot for the next day/night cycle. I also have a dayvig that pierces bulletproof, but it removes my ability to shoot for the rest of the game. I shot N1 with the plan that I would ideally use the dayvig on D3. Didn't trust my chances of surviving enough to wait until N2 to use my nightvig.

I didn't really crumb, but it was pretty obvious that I was asking Shadoweh for her input on who I should shoot yesterday, before we ended up lynching Serela instead of Polly.

I shot Dormio because I thought he was scum. I figured it would be good to get him in particular out of the way with my first kill because I tend to tunnel on him a lot when I think he's scum and I'm wrong. <_<

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #313 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:12:00 AM »

Flavor-wise, I'm Prisma Illyasviel von Einzbern (Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya), Townie Jack of All Vigs. My night shots are named Gae Bolg, Excalibur, Bellerophon, and Tsubame Gaeshi. My dayvig is named Nine Lives. I used Bellerophon N1.

Chaore · « **Reply #314 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:24:33 AM »

What the fuck is this.

Huhwhat: But...that's impossible??? No, seriously. If Polly didn't die because ActionDan was scum, then he was apparently shot through his protective ability. Are you suggesting the scum kill is god damn piercing?

ActionDan: Use that power. Now. If you are town it is more important we know you're town NOW than have that power later. It'll help in telling us what the fuck just happened, and we kind of need that. If you're town you're literally like the best person polly could've been on when killed by whatever, and you should use that fact.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #315 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:35:03 AM »

Quote from: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 02:24:33 AM

Huhwhat: But...that's impossible??? No, seriously. If Polly didn't die because ActionDan was scum, then he was apparently shot through his protective ability. Are you suggesting the scum kill is god damn piercing?

I didn't really think that through. <_< I suck at rolegaming.

Chaore · « **Reply #316 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:37:37 AM »

wow i'm tempted to vote you for that right the fuck now but I kinda want actiondan to say something because there may be slight credence if he is actually town

if he's scum you both are lynched today though. That claim is literally just trying to cover ActionDan's ass to me. If you ARE actually the townvig, that's the only way ActionDan could be town at the moment.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #317 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:42:53 AM »

So you're saying I tried to NK Dormio, who would have been a potential mislynch for me, just to set-up an overly complicated vig claim in case Polly hit scum (which there was no guarantee he would do)?

I'm not sure how the plan your theory implies is optimal at all for scum. <_<

Bardiche · « **Reply #318 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:54:37 AM »

What I find most interesting is you asked Shadoweh about lynches, Huh What. Shadoweh replied about vigs.

Either Shadoweh is attentive or maybe you two talked it over beforehand? :>

Chaore · « **Reply #319 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:55:16 AM »

I'm saying, if ActionDan is scum you are very likely his buddy whipping something up with the results to make it possible for him to be town. I'm not saying you planned this ahead last night because polly was the biggest god damn threat ever to scum, I'm saying your claim literally only serves to take the result of 'Polly dead, hit scum, Dormio was NK' around so that Polly having hit scum is possible to have not happened. This is a scummy thing to do if ActionDan is scum. You can understand that, right?

I'm not sure how the hell it's optimal knowing what I know, but I'm pretty sure it's optimal if you happen to forget scum would need a piercing kill to hit polly like you did because it makes ActionDan possibly town, confusing town on a clear cut matter and giving them another day with Dan alive. Dormio being the one who is hit is honestly kind of a nulltell of anything because saying 'Scum would never NK Dormio' seems like a barrel of WIFOM to me. It's not impossible for them to have tried to NK Dormio for other reasons than starting a claim like this.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #320 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:59:58 AM »

~~Well we could just shoot Dormio again to find out.~~
I don't think huh what is lying. Dormio on the other hand, claimed a zombie. Zombies are clearly scum.
I suggest we lynch Chaore too for suggesting we lynch the town vigilante with the bulletproof piercer.
Oh, and lynching Dan too since Chaore is right. I forgot about the hider immunity.

Wow we can kill the entire scum team today! I'm so awesome.
Yeah it sure is a pile of WIFOM to say "Scum wouldn't bother killing optimally! They would totally hit someone who looks like scum and would be an easy mislynch after tunneling on the cop all day!"

capt. h · « **Reply #321 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:01:03 AM »

Quote from: huh what on September 17, 2011, 02:38:43 AM

Mod bias? <_< It's a bastard game. I don't think it's worth looking into, because it enters the WIFOM territory of "would Serela fakeclaim himself or not"?

Meanwhile.

##Unvote
##Vote Polaris
After further pondering, I don't buy his claim. "Weak Cop" does not sound like the name of a role that would be in this game from my current knowledge, partially because it clashes with my own role in certain balance areas (not saying anything more than this, sorry). Are you going to fullclaim (ie, include your flavor), by the way?

Serela is probably town, because he knew to claim Townie instead of Town for his own alignment.

Alright, explain why you thought Polaris's Weak cop role clashed with your role, but NeoSerela's role didn't.

Bardiche · « **Reply #322 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:06:15 AM »

It's-- yeah. Chaore, yeah. And the one proposing Dormio wasn't scum NKed because of how ridiculous it was is... SHADOWEHHH!!! Are you scum again.

Well, Day 2 Scum Teams is silly but yeah, I now have my eye on HW and Shadoweh and ActionDan. Re-reading with gusto. Anything can still happen due to LOL ROLE SHENS, and I'm not willing to lynch ActionDan based solely on the results of tonight's actions. So, yeah. Probably a good idea to find a scumbuddy regardless of who you want to vote due to the mechanic making us lynch at least two people: best line up our scummiest for the lynch.

Also don't like Huh What's WIFOM defence. ): Scum don't always do super optimal stuff. Gotta read him though to say if I believe him or not, but I am pretty leery.

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"Scum wouldn't bother killing optimally! They would totally hit someone who looks like scum and would be an easy mislynch after tunneling on the cop all day!"

Except you can't lynch Dormio for "tunneling on the cop all day" because NO ONE KNEW IT WAS THE COP. Until he flipped.

Bardiche · « **Reply #323 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:09:26 AM »

Also,

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I suggest we lynch Chaore too for suggesting we lynch the town vigilante with the bulletproof piercer.

are you thinking we need the bulletproof piercer to kill the Godfather or a Bulletproof Scum Goon or something.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #324 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:19:38 AM »

Scum may not always do optimal stuff, but they are also not retarded! There was virtually no reason for them to kill Dormio N1 at all. He was an easy mislynch, and targeting him with the NK would have actually been detrimental.

capt. h, how would Serela's role clash with mine? He couldn't have potentially died from its usage.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #325 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:26:31 AM »

Also, I'm wary of people trying to discredit my defense with the mentality that everything that sounds remotely like WIFOM should be ignored. Assuming that Chaore's scenario is true is also assuming that scum are kind of batshit insane. <_<

Chaore · « **Reply #326 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:43:41 AM »

I'm pretty much with Bard (omigod clearly scumbuddying). The only reason I may doubt this is because it's not very often the scumteam claims itself for us, and especially not bailing other's asses out of the fire like this.

@DormioClearlyCouldNotBeNK: ? But... that's not true at all? Optimal play isn't simply 'Who can we not get lynched?' Yes, Dormio was a possible mislynch, any good mafia player knows that can change in a blink of an eye though, especially for something as light as 'bad D1 play'. If he did something like counter-claim the person who flipped that role, yes, he would not be the NK for certain. Dormio wasn't a great kill, but he was also a certain kill if you didn't know he was bulletproof- Scum aren't stupid enough to expect that there is absolutely no doctor-like roles in rolemadness. Dormio wouldn't have received a protect. Dormio's death would've normally told us shit as well, since he did absolutely nothing.

So it'd have been a safe kill. Not batshit insane to take a safe kill over a slightly risky kill.

It's not a detrimental kill at all, either, seeing as Dormio is also an actually competent player in a game boasting several newbies. He's not their only mislynch either, and I don't see why it's so important for them to have him alive to be mislynched. There were other possibilities, and they weren't desperately in need of a bailout card here. It's day fucking 2, mislynches aren't this precious commodity that must be herded.

ActionDan · « **Reply #327 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:45:05 AM »

Ok I popped in before I go to bed to see what's going on. People are asking me to prove my innocence... so. I guess I will, but I don't want to give everything away just yet. I can't make heads or tails of Dormio/Huhwhat at the moment. I'll stare at it long and hard tomorrow.

For now

##:Pretty Confirm

[Y]oukai [J]esus · « **Reply #328 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:52:28 AM »

##Vote Actiondan

capt. h · « **Reply #329 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:00:46 AM »

The town hider died, and Dan, the player he died hiding behind claims he can confirm himself town at the cost of his role. Furthermore, we have 2 lynches today.

I think Dan should confirm himself town, if he can. Even without the hider death, I found his play to be suspicious. I don't think anyone liked his vote on Chaore, and I personally thought his case on Polaris, was bizarre at best and suspicious at worst, being 50% about how Polaris shouldn't find his reaction to Polaris's joke vote scummy because he didn't think it was a joke vote, then tecking on how Polaris looked lazy and not genuine to the end of his case.

Basically, Dan is a suspicious player caught with 5 aces in his hand and claims he can prove the 5th came from the deck. There may be more desirable lynches purely in terms of post quality, but none of them were found with their hand in the cookie jar (to answer Bard's concern), and they aren't claiming a role that confirms itself town.

Furthermore, if Dan is confirmed town, it means Huh What is far more likely to be a vig (or SK at worst) and not scum, because someone would have had to have killed Polaris. So we would have a confirmed townie in Action Dan, and a player who is very unlikely to be scum in Huh What.

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