Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)

[Punch Hopper]

I'm not ignoring you, you're just not interesting to read right now.

Hey Coldcrow, that ladder doesn't actually tell me much given it could be easily constructed by skimming the thread for popular opinion. Could you elaborate a little?  :3

Nope. Ask me again later.

#345: Coldcrow, you think Beetleburst was paired with Sorceress despite not flipping survivor mason? Waffling between Bremm and Eyeback being town/scum despite the later list showing you think they're both scum?

Beetle may not have been paired with him as a mason, but they may have shared win conditions. It's irrelevant really.
I think they're both scummy. Looking at their interactions I don't think they're scum -together-. Especially not with the way Eyeback turned his vote to Bremm with Sorceress sitting there the first time, before he hammered.

I can't get a good read on Bremm besides that he's confused, that's why I'm asking him for his own reads. Eyeback comes off more callous. Neither of these are town or scum tells. If it came down to it now and neither of them posts anything I would vote Bremm over Eyeback based on the nightkill alone. The other suspect I can think of based on the kill is Summoner, but he's much higher up the list.
I read your second question and forgot about it as I was running out the door. Read here followed by here for my precognative abilities.

For Corpsefire. As a mason it would seem Sorceress was not lying about his partner.

[Kiva-la]

It's fine if you don't vote right now, because votes are weird. Still, who do you think is scum? What does Nickelback wanting to keep the Summoner alive mean to you? Why do you think Eyeback looks suspicious? Opinions are a good thing. Setup speculation is fun and dandy but it's not really useful for us.

Based purely on conjecture I think Nihlathak wants the Summoner alive because he just kinda jumped off the Summoner bandwagon day 1 and didn't really say why IIRC. As for Eyeback I'll need to reread in more depth right now it's just based on what everyone else is saying and a feeling.

[Pesco]

Far Oasis Votecount

Eyeback (2): Nihlathak, Fire Eye
Bremm (2): Barbarian, Eyeback

Not voting: Bremm Sparkfist, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch the Wild, Rakanishu

10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
71% time remaining

[W]

I think it's much more interesting how you and Rakanishu appear to share a common trait, and how that is inherently anti-Town.

I'll let Fire Eye claim that one. If he doesn't claim it, I'll do it for him, and I don't intend to hide anything about it.

So Fire Eye, claim or I'll do it for you. You still have the opportunity to claim while hiding the uninteresting parts: I'm only interested in revealing the anti-Town part, but if you insist on silence I'll claim everything I know instead.
 
If he spreads his arms out in love and hopes for mercy? Yes.

So many words, pointing and claiming yet with so little justification.  All I am reading from your posts is a weak attempt to attack. You sound so vague, yet demand things when you haven't even explained anything yet. I am wondering who is opportunistic and lazy here again? Rolefishing much? Instead of making about Motk-mafia-setup speculations, why don't you actually start talking less nonsense?

I and Rakanishu share the common trait? Anti-Town? Define 'anti-Town' as Rakanishu asked you to because you are turning this into "who wants to be a millionaire" game again. All these the reads and mudslinging I am getting from you look really terrible.

[Kick Hopper]

@Barbarian: I looked over you again.
I need to ask this. Why did you completely avoid the sorceress wagon?
When you were asked about it, you replied with this.
"I think someone asked me about Sorceress? Eh. I don't see what the big whoop was about her." - Complete Evasion of the Sorceress wagon D1.

"Sorc is just... uninteresting to me." - This was said AFTER he posted her asleaning town.

How do you find someone leaning town if you don't even find her interesting enough to read?

If you add the fact that Sorceress had Barbarian as towniest D1.
When Barbarian seems to be getting in the radar, she says hes derptown.

When Sorceress claimed, Barbarian immediates jumps on it and goes.

-Sorc must die because even if she's a survivor, it's very likely she's lying about Prime Evils dying being her wincon (If it's true she'd basically be Town that has to be alive when Town wins to actually win, and we wouldn't need to kill her, but we can't afford to take this risk)

Main point of this, Barbarian and Sorceress avoided each other as much as possible, yet when Sorceress is certain to get hammered Barbarian immediately jumped for it.

##:Vote Barbarian

Still waiting on Nihlahtak to answer.

 

[Skull]

Bloodwitch is not on my list because he has the same win condition that I do.

Only Scum need to justify their reads. Town only does it because it looks like, and because they hope others will be swayed by their posts.
I'm not saying reasoning has no place or value. I just don't feel like showing my work.

@Nihlathak: I need to ask, what did you mean by
Player list -Self -Third Party -town reads?

Those are minuses. Scum is equal to the player list, minus the people who are not scum. People such as town reads, the third party group, and, of course, myself.

Also that's a pretty fine case you got there, Bremm, except why are you scumhunting for Sorceress's buddy? Everything about Sorc's claim would make sense to be true. Especially that part about them needing to lynch the main scumteam to win. Unless you really believe Pesco would put us into a game where we could only have a single myslynch I see no reason at all the believe that Sorc's team can win by siding with the Primeevils. Keep in mind, Town win condition doesn't specify a target, and there was apparently another third party in Beetle.

Besides, if we did lynch Sorc's partner, that would just put us into Eight Person Lylo which sounds like three mislynches in a row to me.

This reconfirms my feelings on who we should be lynching.

[Skull]

Based purely on conjecture I think Nihlathak wants the Summoner alive because he just kinda jumped off the Summoner bandwagon day 1 and didn't really say why IIRC. As for Eyeback I'll need to reread in more depth right now it's just based on what everyone else is saying and a feeling.

I didn't vote anyone besides Raka all day one.

[Ouja]

Fire Eye. I'm a Tracker. Tracking Rakanishu failed to produce results. I theorised it was the "Extra Fast" portion that grants Track immunity and attempted to see if it was true.

For all my bravado I don't have much to provide. I maintain that Bremm is scum, further advanced by his interest in pursuing a TP today rather than scum, or even Not Me Over Me.

I don't have much to say about people voting me because yes, I hammered and didn't inform anyone I would. You're treating what is essentially a nulltell as a Super Scumtell: why the hell would scum perform a low-reward/high-risk move? WIFOM, that's why; and as such it is a nulltell.

So lynch me today and kill me tonight, I don't care. If there's a counter to Tracker, then I'm sure scum'll employ it.

Meanwhile you can live on in your pretty fantasy world where scumteams are evident on D3 based on Town and ITP flips (seriously, what the shit, Town, why do you permit this kind of bullshit?) and quickhammers. Yes, because I am deadly afraid the guy I want dead might be lynched.

[Pesco]

Maggot Lair Votecount

Eyeback (2): Nihlathak, Fire Eye
Bremm (2): Barbarian, Eyeback
Barbarian (1): Bremm

Not voting: Coldcrow, The Summoner, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch the Wild, Rakanishu

10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
57% time remaining
The Summoner has been prodded

[W]

Fire Eye. I'm a Tracker. Tracking Rakanishu failed to produce results. I theorised it was the "Extra Fast" portion that grants Track immunity and attempted to see if it was true.

For all my bravado I don't have much to provide. I maintain that Bremm is scum, further advanced by his interest in pursuing a TP today rather than scum, or even Not Me Over Me.

I don't have much to say about people voting me because yes, I hammered and didn't inform anyone I would. You're treating what is essentially a nulltell as a Super Scumtell: why the hell would scum perform a low-reward/high-risk move? WIFOM, that's why; and as such it is a nulltell.

So lynch me today and kill me tonight, I don't care. If there's a counter to Tracker, then I'm sure scum'll employ it.

Meanwhile you can live on in your pretty fantasy world where scumteams are evident on D3 based on Town and ITP flips (seriously, what the shit, Town, why do you permit this kind of bullshit?) and quickhammers. Yes, because I am deadly afraid the guy I want dead might be lynched.

Your story is EyeBlinding.

[Skull]

Did you only have one Tracking attempt? Did you track Raka twice?

[Skull]

I think it's much more interesting how you and Rakanishu appear to share a common trait, and how that is inherently anti-Town.

So the "trait" was one of the things listed in the side by the avatar. This makes the vagueness of your statements regarding the issue much, much less scummy, and backs up your story. Also, your claimed target does check out with your previous suspects list.

Also, please note I dropped the "afraid" wording, since it wasn't valid. I maintained that the voting for Bremm was bussing (Scum do that, ya know) and that the quicklynch was a lapse in personal feelings entering into the equation once you saw Sorc was in range, and wasn't town.

In any case, the issue with the whole traits thing is stupid, but it's a special kind of stupid that is hard to make up, so I'll take his claim as the truth.

##Unvote: Eyeback
FoS: Bremm Sparkfist

[Sasword]

I'd like for Eyeback to fullclaim his results and explain why he deliberately chose to track people whom he thought had Track Immunity. If I'm reading correctly.

Eyeback, could you also answer the question I gave you? I'm just interested in what your reasoning was at the time.


Bremm, I don't understand your Barbarian case. Are you pushing him as mafia or as Sorc's buddy? Because we're not interested in the latter.

[Decade]

Nih looks... better. And also more like that person I mentioned before, which is actually starting to :gasp: make me seriously consider a possibility that Nih is actually not scum. More on that after we get flips.

@Barbarian: I looked over you again.
I need to ask this. Why did you completely avoid the sorceress wagon?
When you were asked about it, you replied with this.
"I think someone asked me about Sorceress? Eh. I don't see what the big whoop was about her." - Complete Evasion of the Sorceress wagon D1.

yep

"Sorc is just... uninteresting to me." - This was said AFTER he posted her asleaning town.

So uninteresting people can't be town?

How do you find someone leaning town if you don't even find her interesting enough to read?

...what? I never said I didn't read her. I just said she was uninteresting. Being town isn't particularly interesting. Lots of people are town. Except in this game, possibly. At this rate, judging from a few things I've seen, I'm not going to be surprised if half the players are non-town.

Main point of this, Barbarian and Sorceress avoided each other as much as possible, yet when Sorceress is certain to get hammered Barbarian immediately jumped for it.

Oh yes. Because claiming survivor (Someone who is looking for scum and therefore it's not shocking if they look townish) is totally a reason to not lynch them.

Nih has brought up wonderful thoughts though that Sorc wasn't lying about having to kill Prime Evils to win just because, due to her also having a partner, there would only have to be like 1 scum or else town gets so few mislynches that we don't even. And also since Beetleburst was third party too, apparently. It also means that hunting for the third party survivor partner to Sorc is dumb because we don't need to lynch it and if we did it'd be like, LyLo, with 2 policy lynches on people that weren't even anti-town. The first lynch is acceptable because it confirms Sorc's claim.

Anyway so far I've said almost nothing but defense on myself and restating things Nih already said, making this post sorta useless so far. Okay, so. Bremm is even more scum then he was before (And he was scum before already) and needs to die today. He's hunting for a third-party survivor that most likely isn't even anti-town, instead of hunting for scum.

Since I'm starting to consider Nih as not obvscum, and Eyeback is looking possibly not scum, and my other neutral read is town, wait who was on my list again okay I got it. Fireeye, Corpsefire, and The Summoner. But I might be getting ahead of myself here... blarghenhargen. For the moment I am going to entertain my current thoughts that everyone other then those three (and of course Bremm) is not scum and see where my reads go. That would only lead to one of the four not being scum though, and the thought that I've got 3 scum in 4 suspects when we don't even have a single scumflip or at least LyLo is so utterly ridiculous to me that I can't really believe I'm not being dumb.

I'll probably condense my thoughts into something slightly less stupid next time I look at this game with a clear head, though!

Cut. Resisting the urge to answer Bloodwitch because it's much better to let Eyeback do it himself.

[Den-O]

So first, Eyeback's claim is a scum claim. "I DECIDED TO TRACK SOMEONE I FIGURED I WOULDN'T GET RESULTS ON SO I COULD CLAIM TRACKER SAFELY"

As it happens, he is right I didn't go anywhere, but he's wrong about me having tracker immunity. I honestly suspect he's a scum tracker. Nih becomes more and more anti town by the minute, and quite honestly I'm sick of him living. I'm not even sure he's scum anymore, he's just someone that is manifestly useless to town. I don't think I've ever had the misfortune of seeing anyone so awful since wrathie. Well, maybe Seniwac.

Third, sorry I never got that read done yesterday, what I ended up doing ended up taking more of my concentration than I thought it would and it went on for 12 hours. And then today I woke up feeling sick and napped for about 7 hours and still feel like shit, especially when I woke up to the downstairs being flooded. My house is AWESOME.

I'll try to get it out nowish since I should be less busy.

Did anything important outside of Eyeback's claim happen?

[Ryuki]

Oh hi I'm here!

Eyeback: Scum, scum, scum. Your day 2 is really lackluster, coming with a really weak case to join the Sorceress wagon, then completely dropping that for a really weak case on Bremm. Then you decide that hunting scum is second priority to killing survivors. Town's objective is to kill SCUM, Scum's objective is to kill anybody not scum, and that includes 3rd parties. Townies shouldn't be scared of 3rd parties until the scum are dead. Ending the day early was also a convenient way to avoid answering questions.
Your day 3 opener is really wrong. You're afraid the guy you think is scum would be lynched, so instead of that you decide to lynch an ITP?
You trying to get dirt on Fire Eye and Raka really irks me. Especially your explanation for it. You're really going to use set up speculation to get us to suspect them? Especially with PESCO as the mod.
If you don't want to get lynched, then prove to us how Bremm is scum. And don't just link whatever case you had, make an updated one.
##FoS: Eyeback

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[W]

Right, Eyeback. You have scum reads all over in your eyes, including the ones on your back.

- You quicklynched like holy moly Mach 3 Gillette fusion while we were trying to find scum. Blocking ANY information we could've gotten from Sorceress or other reads.
- Knowing your scummy opportunity looked very bad, you try to act innocent by calling Nihlatak and co lazy and opportunistic, trying to distract attention.
- Next, you tried so hard to act pro-town by shouting a lot of nonsense and rolefishing like Rex Hunt's fishing adventures.
- Finally, now you claim a role as tracker theorizing about Trollco's setup and speculations?

Any more scum cards left to play?

Aside your silly mini "cases" (randomness) on few people, you pretend to be active scumhunting right now? Well? Where are you cases on the others in D3? Oh right, you have none, because you are out of cards.

[W]

Reading on Barbarian. His #373 makes me question suddenly many things about him.

[Decade]

I can't really believe I'm not being dumb.

yeah and I am, overreacted to Eyeback's claim

Still prefer Bremm's lynch today though.

[Den-O]

Nihlathak, is this a lyncher claim? Serious question, since it'd make a lot of sense given how utterly fucking awful you are.

I'll be honest, by page 2 Coldcrow is giving me weird vibes now that we know Sorc is 3rd party. I don't have any logical grounding for this yet, but I'm getting GUT =D on her...

Barbarian continues to bug me because it feels like he's trying to play it safe while not letting people accrue town reads.

I still don't like Barbarian's thoughts not ending in a vote and ignoring Sorceress. The latter is a Sorc partner tell but I don't necessarily feel that from him. OK, next post is a vote but it's more of a prod vote than anything that fits with what he said above.

Oh, this is rich. So Eyeback tracked me N1, despite the fact that Kaa and I were lower on his suspects list, and I personally was only suspected because he didn't like my playstyle? WAY TO FAILCLAIM, EYEBACK

Coldcrow 103: feels kind of off to me, if I'm being honest.

Hrm, not sure how I feel about Coldcrow's explanation. I do wonder this, though. What's your opinion now that she flipped Third Party, regarding her behavior.

Ugh, I can't finish this. I'm just not GETTING anything from it. Nothing is changing. I have GUT =D on Coldcrow and it's clouding my thoughts, I have Barbarian being kind of...there but not really doing anything making him scum. I have Nih being awful as Nih being awful. And I'm fairly certain Eyeback is scum.

I think I'm just too sick to think straight.

Barb trying to dissuade the Eyeback wagon feels more awful, by the way, judging from cuts.

[Pesco]

Lost City Votecount

Eyeback (1): Fire Eye
Bremm (2): Barbarian, Eyeback
Barbarian (1): Bremm

Not voting: Coldcrow, The Summoner, Corpsefire, Bloodwitch the Wild, Rakanishu, Nihlathak

10 alive, 4 votes to lynch
56% time remaining

[Den-O]

YAY I CAN VOTE AGAIN

##Vote Eyeback

DIE DIE DIE =D~!

[Ouja]

Summoner: I am clearly being sarcastic because Nihlatak claimed I was trying to prevent a Bremm lynch. That's the guy I want lynched since D2.

I'd like for Eyeback to fullclaim his results and explain why he deliberately chose to track people whom he thought had Track Immunity. If I'm reading correctly.

How would I know anyone has Track immunity before ever tracking? Rakanishu was my N1 target. Hence why I said she was probably Town, as I thought at the time my result indicated Rakanishu did not act. My N2 result showed a different matter altogether and thus, it seems my Track of Rakanishu failed.

Now then, since "Spectral Hit" and "Open Wounds", my abilities, are listed in my profile, I liberally assumed "Extra Fast" is an ability, and given it failed on someone who was Extra Fast... do you follow this train of thought?

I didn't inspect Rakanishu on N2, nor Fire Eye. My second target did not act at all in the night and is Bloodwitch.

Then you decide that hunting scum is second priority to killing survivors. Town's objective is to kill SCUM, Scum's objective is to kill anybody not scum, and that includes 3rd parties. Townies shouldn't be scared of 3rd parties until the scum are dead.

This is so retarded. Town's priority is to eliminate anti-Town elements. Survivors are not pro-Town. Maybe I should remind you louts about Zombie Mafia, where scum won by claiming goddamn third party and getting away with it?[/i] And you seriously want to suffer a claimed non-Town to live because this is totally not a priority to kill?

Well, okay. Okay. My priorities for lynching are obviously completely counter to Town. If scum wins alongside third parties because the latter decided to screw you in the arse because it was more profitable for them, don't come crying later, it'll be your just desserts.

My final scum card left to play is that when I'm dead, you'll all realise I was actually the Town Tracker, and you can all go grill Rakanishu on why my Tracking attempt on her failed. It'll be worth it.

And Summoner? I already made my case on Bremm. Deal with it. If "he hasn't done anything" isn't enough for you, then honestly, I stop caring.

The case on me is stupid and forced out of "omg quickhammer on itp so scum", because clearly scum would want ITPs dead more than Town does. ITPs threaten scum as much as they threaten Town. If you guys want to throw your lot in with them, hey, go ahead. I'll be here, dying, getting out of your cycle of stupid. Because that's stupid. Anything Not Town deserves to die. Why the fuck do you want them to live?

[Den-O]

Wait...let me read something.

I'm going to claim what Extra Fast does. It lets me act first in the action order (PRETTY FUCKING USELESS AS I HAVE NO ABILITIES).

...

* Rakanishu facepalms

Yes, that IS track immunity. Fucking hell. You're still scum though for other things, and your claim feels like scum tracker.

[Den-O]

Hrm...maybe it's track immunity.

I'm actually not sure. If a tracker tracked a roleblocker, he'd still get results, assumably.

So, scratch that, it's probably not tracker immunity since investigations usually resolve pretty late anyway. In fact, it kind of makes me super trackable since no matter what I do you'll see it.

So, yeah, Eyeback has something fucked up here.

[Ouja]

You'll have to figure it out after my death then. My track on you failed, and when I die you know it to be true.

[Den-O]

Did it ever occur to you that you got ROLEBLOCKED, MAYBE?

Because that's really a more reasonable explanation than my actions resolving first being tracker immunity.

[Ouja]

Nope. Because it didn't say I failed. But hey, it's a scum claim, why would you argue it with me? There's no possible way I could be Town, right? And clearly when I die it's a non-issue you don't have to worry about. Not like I could possibly be an honest-to-goodness Tracker on Town's side or anything.

[Decade]

I am confused now.

So what you're saying, is that YOU did not fail, but it failed to work on Raka, and this failure was beyond just Raka not doing anything, but certainly wasn't something like a roleblock either?

And you're SURE of all that?

Because seriously, what. This is starting to sound more like logic failure then anything else. And I know what logic failure sounds like, I preform it myself all the time.

[Den-O]

Given what I know, I have literally no reason to believe you. So, fine, I'm done arguing. Excuse me for trying to explore the possibilities before condemning you. You're scum.

@Barb: He's tripping over his claim to try to set me up to look bad if he managed to survive.