Author Topic: Graveyard Anonymafia - Game Over (Read 54744 times)

Conqueror · « **Reply #840 on:** August 28, 2011, 09:56:43 AM »

Quote from: J.O.B on August 28, 2011, 09:54:45 AM

Also if I had unvoted at the last minute before you voted you would've been definite scum.

That only works on IRC mafia.

J.O.B · « **Reply #841 on:** August 28, 2011, 09:57:21 AM »

Not necessarily.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #842 on:** August 28, 2011, 09:57:38 AM »

If you had unvoted we'd have noticed in the post preview. Not a good gambit

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #843 on:** August 28, 2011, 09:57:47 AM »

Oh yeah, I said I'd save this discussion for post game, so here goes.

What is the point of a neighborizor role?
What pro-town purpose does it serve?
What can you post in a temporary neighbor QT that would not be better in the actual game thread where everyone can see it?

Also, cut notifications means that ninja votes/unvotes don't work on the forums.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #844 on:** August 28, 2011, 09:58:07 AM »

I HATE MYSELF!

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #845 on:** August 28, 2011, 09:58:17 AM »

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Irony, we kept you alive the entire time because we thought you were just a Neighbour.

That was the whole point. :V But then you killed me anyway.

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Why did you never ask us to claim? You knew we had a role silly!

I did in the QT, but I didn't push it because it was still only day 12.

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WHY DID YOU NEVER ASK YOUMU FOR A CLAIM IN D4?
YOU HAD A CLEAR FOR ME, YET YOU KILLED ME!

I thought about asking Youmu and Sid to roleclaim on day 5. There's really nothing to say except there were so many, many things I could have done differently that would have caused, built, and solidified to lynch on the last scum. That's why I'm beating myself up so much over this.

I think I'm gonna cut myself :<
Cut by myself: I really do.

J.O.B · « **Reply #846 on:** August 28, 2011, 09:58:32 AM »

Quote from: UncertainKitten on August 28, 2011, 09:57:38 AM

If you had unvoted we'd have noticed in the post preview. Not a good gambit

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Nevermind then.

J.O.B · « **Reply #847 on:** August 28, 2011, 09:59:33 AM »

Next game, you guys must lynch me D1 or NK me N1.
I've always wanted to have the Graveyard QT.

Conqueror · « **Reply #848 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:00:12 AM »

Zak: You were still the reason that we even lynched any of the scum at all due to being the key swing vote both times, so don't feel too bad.

But yes, Shadoweh is clearly never to be trusted. :3

Cut by Job: There was no Graveyard QT this time.

J.O.B · « **Reply #849 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:01:16 AM »

Pfffttt.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #850 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:01:33 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on August 28, 2011, 10:00:12 AM

But yes, Shadoweh is clearly never to be trusted. :3

~*~Quicklynch Shadoweh D1 Block~*~, I have made one. Who wants in?

J.O.B · « **Reply #851 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:03:09 AM »

Wait, is game breaking information said in the Graveyard QT?
If so, do the people who are still taking part in the game but still dead actually gain access to it (a.k.a Kukaku and Count)?

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #852 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:03:51 AM »

Quote from: Dormoe Mami on August 28, 2011, 09:57:47 AM

Oh yeah, I said I'd save this discussion for post game, so here goes.

What is the point of a neighborizor role?
What pro-town purpose does it serve?
What can you post in a temporary neighbor QT that would not be better in the actual game thread where everyone can see it?

Also, cut notifications means that ninja votes/unvotes don't work on the forums.

Neighborizer is tricky, but very valuable. There's a FREEDOM in a neighbor QT you don't have in the actual thread. One on one let's you say a lot more and flesh things out before putting them out in thread. It's like having a thoughts QT, except someone can look over your thoughts. The pro town purpose if you're both town is that security. The pro town purpose if you neighborize scum is that that freedom works against them. I've answered the third but I'll reiterate that, well, townies are jackals. They nitpick at what you say and will find something they like and run with it. It doesn't feel *safe* to post unrestricted reads. Hell, I hold back reads sometimes because I don't feel I'll be able to do any good with them til later. There's also a few intangibles. Sometimes it raises motivation, sometimes it allows for you to be snapped out of confirmation bias. Sometimes it's none of the above but something else good.

@Dormio: UK MAGIC. Your block is now the ~*~Quicklynch Durrmio D1 Block~*~ =D

J.O.B · « **Reply #853 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:05:32 AM »

I wonder when my first non-Anonymafia game will be?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #854 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:06:06 AM »

The problem is that your situation assumes that you're talking to town.
Call me paranoid, but EVERYONE IS SCUM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #855 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:06:36 AM »

Quote from: J.O.B on August 28, 2011, 10:05:32 AM

I wonder when my first non-Anonymafia game will be?

It doesn't really matter when you claim in thread, does it? :V

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #856 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:07:29 AM »

Quote from: Dormoe Mami on August 28, 2011, 10:06:06 AM

The problem is that your situation assumes that you're talking to town.
Call me paranoid, but EVERYONE IS SCUM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Actually, it assumes that you can figure it out within a few posts. Don't tell me you can't :3~

J.O.B · « **Reply #857 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:08:36 AM »

I was so worried about claiming.
Should I come up with a fake-claim to seem more valuable? Should I not do that incase it looks scummy? I was so confused.
Speaking about claiming. What roles are generally good to claim?

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #858 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:10:06 AM »

Um...as town, claim your real role. There are exceptions but seriously don't think about those. As scum, doctor is the stereotypical claim. Next would be an investigative role.

Never claim vanilla townie as scum. Except MAYBE in massclaim. You kind of have to read the set up. But if you're run to L-1? Claim a role you think is in the game, get it outted.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #859 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:10:42 AM »

Quote from: J.O.B on August 28, 2011, 10:08:36 AM

I was so worried about claiming.
Should I come up with a fake-claim to seem more valuable? Should I not do that incase it looks scummy? I was so confused.
Speaking about claiming. What roles are generally good to claim?

As town, you should claim your own role.
Times when it's better to lie as town are few.

J.O.B · « **Reply #860 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:13:12 AM »

Claiming my own role was what I thought I should do anyway.
I really was a Vanilla Townie.

J.O.B · « **Reply #861 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:14:06 AM »

Also, as scum, if you claim doctor, won't it look suspicious if you don't end up getting NK'ed?

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #862 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:15:18 AM »

And you were right to claim it. The only thing you did wrong in lylo was voting so fast (and honestly that's debateable. There's a lot of confirmation bias in lylo.)

@J.O.B: If you're run to L-1 and claiming, you're assumed to be sacrificing yourself. You claim a role to out town roles to be NK'd. There's some more complex theory here but I don't know how to put it to words.

J.O.B · « **Reply #863 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:17:01 AM »

Hmmm. I see.
I'm so impatient, I already want to start another mafia game.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #864 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:22:00 AM »

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They nitpick at what you say and will find something they like and run with it. It doesn't feel *safe* to post unrestricted reads. Hell, I hold back reads sometimes because I don't feel I'll be able to do any good with them til later. There's also a few intangibles. Sometimes it raises motivation, sometimes it allows for you to be snapped out of confirmation bias. Sometimes it's none of the above but something else good.

This so much.
Dormio, if you had just talked in the QT, given me any sort of reason to think you were town (Heck, you were already halfway there with the tracking results) I might have talked more. If I had talked more, I would have confided in the things I was thinking about, such as asking for roleclaims from everyone. I may have even jokingly talked about how Youmu is probably the last scum, and that might have pushed the conversation away from my derplynching you, and move onto looking somewhere else. This is why both people have to use the Neighborizer role in order for it to be used effectively.

job: Don't fakeclaim as town. Heck, look how far fakeclaiming got me this game, and I'm an expert on covering up my claims.

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #865 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:23:22 AM »

Honestly, I'd kill to be a neighborizer sometime. I love starting a QT with the people I like playing with and starting some srs townie brainstorm sessions.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #866 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:24:35 AM »

I guess I have a completely different mindset to everyone else then.

J.O.B · « **Reply #867 on:** August 28, 2011, 10:24:50 AM »

I really missed the scum QT this game. It's a lot harder without others to back you up.
Also Zakky was so nice to me in D5 :3

Serela · « **Reply #868 on:** August 28, 2011, 11:34:40 AM »

oh

oh we won

cool :]

Also I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaack! I shouldn't have jumped on YoumUK/Shadoweh D3 without actually making a case on her :C Damn superbusser instincts. I was going fairly well for a little while though!

So, Pamela knew I was the voteblocker the whole time? Oh darny. I totally crumbed being a voteblocker in my first big post by the way, when I joked about stealing the votes of people who can't use them well. Like Elizabeth. >:I In the end we decided I shouldn't claim it though. And then I was at school all day at the end of D3 so I couldn't figure out what to fakeclaim, so I get home and it's like "OKAY 40 MINUTES LEFT WHAT DO I CLAIM OH GOD" "CLAIM WATCHER" "K" "YOU TARGETTED COUNT AND MUNAK" "K" and then I get ripped apart when I post it

eff

Quote from: Zakeri

I did in the QT, but I didn't push it because it was still only day 12.

Oh god a 12 day game of mafia would be such a thing

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #869 on:** August 28, 2011, 12:09:45 PM »

This game made me sad with terrible game play theories getting pushed that all of nobody ever seriously questioned. I was actually set to finally give up on MotK Mafia if that was how people were actually going to play and was eventually relieved to learn that at least one of the people pushing complete bullshit game play theory was scum.

I would wonder why anyone thought Pamela and Munak were scum because they were the two most screamingly obvious townies by the time Day 2 or 3 rolled around (seriously, it's like no one ever pays attention to anything Zakeri ever says, they just see that he posted and assume he's scum), but I was also fairly convinced Shoe was town and was completely sold on Bathory scum, so oops.