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Faiz

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #630 on: August 21, 2011, 07:15:07 PM »
I wished to atleast wait for Reg Shoe to make a post before I switched, and apparently he has now.

Alright, I'll buy it.

I've repeated that phrase myself dozens of times already Youmu, I won't forget it that easily.
And since You unvoted...me voting will leave him at L-1 correct?
Well I'll let you decide if you want this day to be a fast one.

##Unvote
##Vote Bogmire

DiEnd

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #631 on: August 21, 2011, 07:31:40 PM »
Well first things first, hammering would be really stupid, and you putting Bog to L-1 before a full day's discussion is honestly quite dumb and possibly scummy. I know I told you to vote but that was BEFORE Reg voted him to L-2. I'd appreciate you unvoting. We know you support the Bog lynch.

Second thing is, the SK spec intrigues myself and Myon, and we need to think this through. We haven't decided if we want Bog dead after all yet or not. We'll probably look through his ISO some time today.

Third thing is, it's good of Reg to join us. But, I'd like to know a few things.
Is Bogmire scum or SK?
If he's SK, how many scum are there?
If there's more than one left, who else is scum besides Remilia?
Oh, and, really, what did you see in MGG that looked good anyway?

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #632 on: August 21, 2011, 07:35:20 PM »
Silly never did mean impossible~
Afterall third parties are pretty hard to find from what I read.
Unless your someone who JUST can't handle it. :V

@Bogmire: Your claim is pretty hard to buy.
N1 > (1) Arcuied
N2 > (2) Necro Gardna, Count von Count.
N3 > (2) Elizabeth Bathory, Ayumu Aikawa

Your claim of getting Kills per no kill phase is seriously false. I see no reason for you too have gotten a kill to use on Necro Gardna.
Afterall, there was a kill every night. Unless its scum specific. It still shows that there is a possible 3rd party.

I got a kill off of the No Lynch that we had on day 1.

I get a kill for each phase where no one dies. That includes both Night and Day phases.

Faiz

  • Faiz
Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #633 on: August 21, 2011, 07:40:48 PM »
Well first things first, hammering would be really stupid, and you putting Bog to L-1 before a full day's discussion is honestly quite dumb and possibly scummy. I know I told you to vote but that was BEFORE Reg voted him to L-2. I'd appreciate you unvoting. We know you support the Bog lynch.

Second thing is, the SK spec intrigues myself and Myon, and we need to think this through. We haven't decided if we want Bog dead after all yet or not. We'll probably look through his ISO some time today.

Third thing is, it's good of Reg to join us. But, I'd like to know a few things.
Is Bogmire scum or SK?
If he's SK, how many scum are there?
If there's more than one left, who else is scum besides Remilia?
Oh, and, really, what did you see in MGG that looked good anyway?

Alright~
##Unvote


Den-O

  • Plat Form
Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #634 on: August 21, 2011, 08:31:05 PM »
Is Bogmire scum or SK?
If he's SK, how many scum are there?
If there's more than one left, who else is scum besides Remilia?
Oh, and, really, what did you see in MGG that looked good anyway?

Scum by the analysis of his posts.
If he's SK and there's two scum left, the mod isn't telling us since it's not stated that LyLo will be announced.
If there's more than one scum left, it might be Sid for his narrow focus all along. Though his point on Mean Ghost looks too good to be a bus. It might be Munak for only starting wagons that don't go anywhere. The insistent gunning for people who swung Mean Ghost's wagon into a lynch is the only thing that stands out for me right now. Flips of their preferred lynches might help for a better read.
I don't recall ever saying Mean Ghost looked good.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #635 on: August 21, 2011, 09:23:42 PM »
Bogmire (3) - Remilia Scarlet, Munak, Reg Shoe
Remilia Scarlet (2) - Bogmire, Youmu Konpaku
Reg Shoe (1) - Kukaku Shiba

Not voting: Pamela Ibis, Sid Barett

You have 47 hours remaining.  With 8 votes active, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #636 on: August 21, 2011, 09:49:41 PM »
Alright,

First off, I vigged Nerco Gardna because I thought he was scummy. As the counter wagon to Kukaku, he was instrumental in assuring a no lynch on day 1, and he was washing his hands of the Kukaku vote while making it. With Youmu threatening to go nuclear on Bogmire the next day, I figured I should use my vig and give town back it's lynch by taking out the scummiest player I could find.

Second, there was a lot I didn't like about Youmu and a few things  I still don't particularly like. When players are too accurate in their role speculation it's usually a bad sign, like how MGG knew that there was a vig as Munak pointed out in her 348; likewise in retrospect it is very weird that Youmu was able to figure out MGG was the vote blocker. Furthermore, her early play consisted if she was scum she was superbussing MGG yesterday over a perfectly viable Bathory lynch. I didn't like the blind town confirmation on Pamela day 2, which I am much more comfortable with now that I know about the quick topic and that Pamela helped us put MGG away, also using QT evidence. I also didn't like how she tunneled on MGG; I didn't understand why she thought MGG was worse than Bathory. However, since Bathory is probably town and MGG flipped scum, I am not really willing to press Youmu at this time. She looks a lot better in my reread than she did at the time, so I'm placing her between neutral and suspicious at this time.

I'll be back later tonight when I've finished my reread of Reg Shoe.

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #637 on: August 21, 2011, 10:02:58 PM »
Master? It's a new day master!
...Why won't you smile anymore?

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Munak notes that Bogmire said nothing about Necro Gardna throughout D1 and D2, despite saying that Bogmire thought him to be the scummiest by N2.
Munak is currently not in the right state of mind to work out anything, so Munak will be back later.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #638 on: August 21, 2011, 10:06:02 PM »
Master? It's a new day master!
...Why won't you smile anymore?

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Munak notes that Bogmire said nothing about Necro Gardna throughout D1 and D2, despite saying that Bogmire thought him to be the scummiest by N2.
Munak is currently not in the right state of mind to work out anything, so Munak will be back later.

Bogmire the first versus Bogmire the Second. They were different Bogmires.

Kabuto

  • Kabuto
Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #639 on: August 22, 2011, 12:52:55 AM »
##Unvote
##Vote: Reg Shoe

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #640 on: August 22, 2011, 03:23:50 AM »
Alright, things that stuck out on reread.

That's a pathetic bluff to open OMGUS with. My activity time is erratic. The mod hasn't needed to prod me and I've posted when I'm around. I don't think I was trying to hide my presence on your wagon when I called to attention that we need to finalize a lynch.

"I haven't been prodded yet" is not an adiquet response to accusations of a lack of content on day 1.

Other than that I actually found most of your early content quite agreeable at the time, however, I do find you somewhat suspicious due to several recent statements. In your last post yesterday, you proposed this possibility:

Mean Ghost's vote switch to Youmu brought Elizabeth's wagon to equal Youmu's. This move makes me believe in bussing going on even more. The three of them have become very interesting and I wouldn't be surprised if there were two scum in there. Ayumu's vote takes Mean Ghost ahead. Mean Ghost's  vote on Youmu leaves the wagons at 2 apiece for Elizabeth and Youmu. So her switch back to Elizabeth is her only move to try get another equalizer and save herself.

Mean Ghost's leadup to voting Youmu didn't feel genuine. The posts said suspicious, not scummy. This late in the game, the vote reason looked more like a prod than anything else. The wording variance indicates to me how strongly you believe in your case. In Mean Ghost's case, not very much. The Elizabeth switch doesn't have the intent to lynch scum, but to comply with town needing a lynch. While I will appreciate getting an Elizabeth lynch, Mean Ghost's support for it means nothing to me.

I would like to know why you have dropped Youmu today, considering how yesterday you believed scum bussing was occuring. Furthermore, I have some confusion about the reason you have claimed to be voting for me. You are voting for me on the assumption that I am scum as opposed to a vig or a serial killer. I would like you to explain your understanding and the assumptions you have made about the game where it makes sense for me to be scum.

The vote switch stalling at the end of Day 3 is obvious for all to see. This defense of Mean Ghost when the votes were tied needs to be explained. Bogmire's next posts call for claims. I had pointed out at the time that L-1 would be needed to make such a demand of players. Along with the fact that the viable lynches were already determined, Bogmire's refusal to vote earlier left him free to go onto either wagon to swing the lynch when Town gets desperate.

MGG was not my primary target at any point yesterday, I would have much rather had a Youmu lynch early in the day, followed by Bathory, and at a glance I didn't notice much about MGG. I defended MGG only so far as I demanded logical arguments from Bathory and Youmu about the player. However, most of my decisions at the end of yesterday involved deciding NOT to lynch Bathory, who I thought was terrible, on the basis that she started to appear town to me. Admittedly, I was not paying nearly enough attention to MGG - my end of day was entirely about whether I still thought Bathory was scum, and I decided that no she wasn't. I strongly disagree with your belief that players should be at L-1 before they claim. I think that they should claim when they are the primary wagon. I also do not think players should be placed at L-1 before they claim, because L-1 allows them to be quick hammered - getting the information without adding risk is always better. That's why I was not willing to vote for Bathory earlier.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #641 on: August 22, 2011, 06:04:29 AM »
I think everyone is going to be tired of asking you 'Why?' after all your posts. You had an excellent mentor for your first game. There's no excuse to claim newb by this stage. If Elizabeth's lynch was still tied, why would you unvote and let someone else hammer the other wagon? It's all the more suspicious that you would stall the scum wagon by doing that.
Just because I had an excellent mentor doesn't mean I'm in any way a competent player now. I am still very much learning the ropes to mafia and am very inexperienced. Last game I was scum, this game I'm town. So I can actually claim newb town if it's the first time I've been a townie.
I wouldn't of unvoted when Bathory's lynch was tied. I would've done it after MGG was at L-1 before being hammered. Since there was no way Bathory would've been lynched after all that. Also she hasn't actually flipped scum. For all we know she could surprisingly be town.

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #642 on: August 22, 2011, 10:16:16 AM »
Master hasn't gotten bored of Munak, right?

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Munak feels lonely.
Munak wonders where everybody went.

Munak wonders why mistress Remilia has to make all that noise.
Munak notes that all that AtE only fuels Munak's dislike of mistress Remilia.

Munak notes that the second Bogmire came into play fairly early in D2, yet never mentioned Necro Gardna at all.

Munak is making another post.

Den-O

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #643 on: August 22, 2011, 10:24:28 AM »
I would like to know why you have dropped Youmu today, considering how yesterday you believed scum bussing was occuring. Furthermore, I have some confusion about the reason you have claimed to be voting for me. You are voting for me on the assumption that I am scum as opposed to a vig or a serial killer. I would like you to explain your understanding and the assumptions you have made about the game where it makes sense for me to be scum.

MGG was not my primary target at any point yesterday, I would have much rather had a Youmu lynch early in the day, followed by Bathory, and at a glance I didn't notice much about MGG. I defended MGG only so far as I demanded logical arguments from Bathory and Youmu about the player. However, most of my decisions at the end of yesterday involved deciding NOT to lynch Bathory, who I thought was terrible, on the basis that she started to appear town to me. Admittedly, I was not paying nearly enough attention to MGG - my end of day was entirely about whether I still thought Bathory was scum, and I decided that no she wasn't. I strongly disagree with your belief that players should be at L-1 before they claim. I think that they should claim when they are the primary wagon. I also do not think players should be placed at L-1 before they claim, because L-1 allows them to be quick hammered - getting the information without adding risk is always better. That's why I was not willing to vote for Bathory earlier.

Youmu is not an interesting target today. Pamela isn't going to look that way. Sid's focus is on yourself or Remilia. Remilia is playing dumb. Munak also appears to have Youmu put down to a lower priority. I've believed a lot of things that have turned out wrong this game. Even if I did think there was bussing, I have to reconsider it. Elizabeth's hidden flip puts the whole deal as an unknown. It's not something I can call conclusive. Putting that aside, Youmu's voting helped swing the lynch on scum. Overcomplicating how things went will only confuse me, so I'll go back to the basics of the events and take it from there.

Mean Ghost was a viable wagon for quite a while. Your actions read to me like you weren't interested in looking at her despite the obvious attention. Your worry about L-1 quickhammerings are unfounded. Elizabeth was adamant on not claiming. Mean Ghost didn't show up until the L-1 was made if I recall correctly. If anyone was stupid enough to hammer early, they would have a lot of explaining to do.

Just because I had an excellent mentor doesn't mean I'm in any way a competent player now. I am still very much learning the ropes to mafia and am very inexperienced. Last game I was scum, this game I'm town. So I can actually claim newb town if it's the first time I've been a townie.
I wouldn't of unvoted when Bathory's lynch was tied. I would've done it after MGG was at L-1 before being hammered. Since there was no way Bathory would've been lynched after all that. Also she hasn't actually flipped scum. For all we know she could surprisingly be town.

It doesn't matter what you claim. The only excuse for not scumhunting is that you're scum because you don't hunt yourself. Why would you unvote and let someone else hammer the scum wagon? Why would you not hammer Mean Ghost yourself?

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #644 on: August 22, 2011, 10:36:27 AM »
If anyone was stupid enough to hammer early, they would have a lot of explaining to do.
Why would you unvote and let someone else hammer the scum wagon? Why would you not hammer Mean Ghost yourself?
What?
Seriously what is this?
Isn't it obvious why I wouldn't hammer?
I would do the same as Bogmire and wait till the last minute so that everybody could say their last words.
Bogmire had already been designated the hammerer (because that's so totally a word), so why would I have done it?
All it would've resulted in would've been me hammering too early. Which as you said would need a lot of explaining.

Den-O

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #645 on: August 22, 2011, 11:12:46 AM »
What Bogmire would do is independent of what you would do. Answer the question. What good reason would you have to not hammer Mean Ghost if it became evident that Elizabeth wasn't getting lynched? As far as everyone could see, Bogmire was stalling so you can't claim it was his job.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #646 on: August 22, 2011, 11:30:17 AM »
Munak notes that the second Bogmire came into play fairly early in D2, yet never mentioned Necro Gardna at all.

No, I did not, and I have no idea why you think I did. I had nothing to do with this game until day 3.

Now, Reg Shoe, you dodged one of my questions, and it's important. It deals with the difference between "scummy" and "most likely to be scum".

You are voting for me on the assumption that I am scum as opposed to a vig or a serial killer. I would like you to explain your understanding and the assumptions you have made about the game where it makes sense for me to be scum.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #647 on: August 22, 2011, 11:55:04 AM »
I did answer your question Shoe. You obviously didn't read enough. I would've waited for everyone for a bit longer before giving the final hammer. The only reason I didn't was because I would've been hammering too early. Wouldn't it look suspicious if someone randomly jumped in early to quickhammer someone at L-1?
Did you forget what you said?
If anyone was stupid enough to hammer early, they would have a lot of explaining to do.

DiEnd

  • DiEnd
Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #648 on: August 22, 2011, 12:08:04 PM »
Pamela, come out and play? :< We miss you..

Bog Monster: If you were worried about Youmu going nuclear on you, and you thought Youmu was suspicious, why didn't you shoot us? As for the role speculation, it's what I do Mean Scum Girl's reaction to the vote steal was unnatural. Hypothetical, when you see an anti-town power like vote-stealing used, do you believe a person unaware of the role will ask what the hell is that, or laugh hysterically at the person who has had an obviously anti-town power used on them?  It was a serious question, it was possible Mean Scum Girl was a town vote thief crumbing their role in the most stupidly blatant way possible. She didn't have to be the Scum Voteblocker herself for her to know about scum taking the action. I have no idea why I was the only one who questioned this. What did you think of the reaction?

Shoecat: Seconding Bogmire's request, I'd like to see where you're getting that analysis from. It puts me on edge how your explanation of why you're not pursuing me implies you're holding back solely because the rest of town has caught on to my shiny greenness, do you think I'm scum or not?

What?
Seriously what is this?
Isn't it obvious why I wouldn't hammer?
I would do the same as Bogmire and wait till the last minute so that everybody could say their last words.
Bogmire had already been designated the hammerer (because that's so totally a word), so why would I have done it?
All it would've resulted in would've been me hammering too early. Which as you said would need a lot of explaining.
Your words imply you would have switched your vote at the last minute, but you clearly still state you never wanted to put a vote onto the counterwagon to scum. Forget Bogmire's designation, he wasn't designated to do anything until the end, after Pamela had put her vote down. Why would YOU only have unvoted and never put your vote on scum? Unvoting after the lynch is decided is meaningless. What would you have done if Pamela's charm was confiscated and we were approaching end of day with Bogmire still undecided?

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #649 on: August 22, 2011, 12:26:12 PM »
Does the above post answer your question?

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #650 on: August 22, 2011, 12:37:16 PM »
If it had I would have said so. I think you'll find the question is different.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #651 on: August 22, 2011, 12:40:59 PM »
Bog Monster: If you were worried about Youmu going nuclear on you, and you thought Youmu was suspicious, why didn't you shoot us? As for the role speculation, it's what I do Mean Scum Girl's reaction to the vote steal was unnatural. Hypothetical, when you see an anti-town power like vote-stealing used, do you believe a person unaware of the role will ask what the hell is that, or laugh hysterically at the person who has had an obviously anti-town power used on them?  It was a serious question, it was possible Mean Scum Girl was a town vote thief crumbing their role in the most stupidly blatant way possible. She didn't have to be the Scum Voteblocker herself for her to know about scum taking the action. I have no idea why I was the only one who questioned this. What did you think of the reaction?

Well, in response to the top, I didn't shoot you because I thought Necro Gardna was more likely to be scum at the time. Although it would be convenient to simply shoot players I find suspicious and want me dead, I would rather shoot the players I find the scummiest than the players that I think are the most likely to go nuclear. I also figured that if you did go nuclear (somewhat justifiably, considering old Bogmire), I should make sure to give back town's lynch before I do it; otherwise I might have waited a day on the vig.

Although I admit that a part of the reason I picked Necro Gardna over you is that I viewed it partially as town's lynch rather than a vig, since it came at the expense of town's lynch. Thus, part of my criteria was "would town lynch this player". Since Necro Gardna was the counter wagon, I decided town would want to lynch him and probably would do so the next day. I would not want to vig you without having town discuss your lynch first and give you plenty of time in the spotlight with which I could make a well-informed decision about you, while more than enough discussion went around about Necro Gardna.

Furthermore, in retrospect you were right about MGG's reaction and I spologize for doubting you about it. I'm not actually sure what a natural reaction to a vote block would be, if it's natural to react at all. I kind of wrote off laughing at Bathory's misfortune as a personality quirk, which in retrospect was stupid of me.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #652 on: August 22, 2011, 12:55:00 PM »
I actually picked up on the breadcrumbs set by MGG with that comment. it was actually quite obvious. Though if I were to laugh at that, then it would've been a personality quirk (not that I would laugh anyway).
I noticed the question was different. I was just asking if it was answering you.
As you asked what I would do if Bog was undecided then of course I would end up hammering. In fact earlier on in the day when Reg Shoe said something about putting people at L-1 to get them to claim I was considering putting them at L-1 but decided not to incase there was a quickhammer.

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #653 on: August 22, 2011, 02:18:34 PM »
Does master not like Munak anymore?

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Munak apologizes to Bogmire in regards to the timing.
Evidently, Munak is dyslexic and/or braindead.

Munak wonders why Bogmire calls out corporal Shoe for dropping a case on miss Youmu when Munak has done the same for now.

Munak notes how mistress Remilia's posts all appear to be IIoA.

Munak is just getting this post out there.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #654 on: August 22, 2011, 03:12:53 PM »
Munak -

The difference is that you open day 4 recognizing that you still have a case on Youmu, albeit one you are not willing to pursue at this time due to Youmu's actions and yesterday's outcome - you consistently viewed Bathory as likely scum with Youmu as a likely buddy. When MGG flipped scum, and since Bathory is likely town, it makes sense for you to reconsider your reads.

Reg Shoe ends yesterday suggesting Youmu, Bathory, and Mean Ghost Girl are scum together. Then when MGG flipped scum, he dropped his case on Youmu completely in spite of Youmu scum being consistent with his theories yesterday. He ends yesterday calling Youmu scummy. He opens today by ignoring Youmu. That's the difference between you and Reg Shoe in regards to Youmu.

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #655 on: August 22, 2011, 03:22:42 PM »
I actually picked up on the breadcrumbs set by MGG with that comment. it was actually quite obvious. Though if I were to laugh at that, then it would've been a personality quirk (not that I would laugh anyway).
Then why didn't you say anything and why weren't you voting for her when she claimed it wasn't her who did the vote stealing?

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As you asked what I would do if Bog was undecided then of course I would end up hammering. In fact earlier on in the day when Reg Shoe said something about putting people at L-1 to get them to claim I was considering putting them at L-1 but decided not to incase there was a quickhammer.
The only time you need to 'worry' about quickhammers is when it's LYLO. I don't believe you about wanting to make Mean Scum Girl claim if you didn't notice she was, from your perspective, lying.

Faiz

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #656 on: August 22, 2011, 04:24:10 PM »
...I lost motivation...
I feel dead...
What the hell is this...
I did answer your question Shoe. You obviously didn't read enough. I would've waited for everyone for a bit longer before giving the final hammer. The only reason I didn't was because I would've been hammering too early. Wouldn't it look suspicious if someone randomly jumped in early to quickhammer someone at L-1?
Did you forget what you said?

This post looks nice and all...and I know Reg Shoe said it 1st,
But I seriously question why you had the need for you to "justify" yourself in the bold sentence. You should have had no need to state this.
Also,
The reason why I didn't say much concerning MGG was because I didn't know what to say. On initial reading, MGG looked fine enough to me. On a reread, She still looked fine enough. It obviously didn't click that someting was wrong. I still don't really know what is wrong or what is right when it comes to mafia in general. Plus MGG must've picked up on my newbtown status. Because I am newbtown I swear. If I was around for the end of the day, given the fact that a Bathory lynch probably wouldn't have ended up happening, I probably would've unvoted and waited for Bog to hammer.

To be nice to all of you, if at the end of the day you guys are undecided on who to lynch. I will offer myself as a mislynch. But it will have to be at the very end of the day because I don't want to force you guys into LYLO with not much info from D4. This does not mean I have given up. It's more that I won't be useful at all during LYLO and I might cost you guys the game due to my mistakes. So it's more of a strategic move if anything.
What town would offer themselves as a lynch target when they are CERTAIN they are town?
By offering yourself as a mislynch when you KNOW your are town is giving SCUM a free kill. Where is the Help In IT!?
Your trying to make our thought processes about your lynch into a gamble.

...and now I'm feeling lazy.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #657 on: August 22, 2011, 06:14:36 PM »
Bogmire (3) - Remilia Scarlet, Munak, Reg Shoe
Remilia Scarlet (2) - Bogmire, Youmu Konpaku
Reg Shoe (1) - Kukaku Shiba

Not voting: Pamela Ibis, Sid Barett

You have roughly 26 hours and 10 minutes remaining.  With 8 votes active, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Den-O

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #658 on: August 22, 2011, 06:44:42 PM »
Now, Reg Shoe, you dodged one of my questions, and it's important. It deals with the difference between "scummy" and "most likely to be scum".

The answer was already in your second quote of me. What you did at the end of the day was scummy. The way you went about the asking for a claim and stalling on the hammer was scummy. Scummy things make you the scum.

Shoecat: Seconding Bogmire's request, I'd like to see where you're getting that analysis from. It puts me on edge how your explanation of why you're not pursuing me implies you're holding back solely because the rest of town has caught on to my shiny greenness, do you think I'm scum or not?

I've reread the voting. Youmu placed the first vote on Mean Ghost when Elizabeth was at four votes. It doesn't make sense for scumYoumu to start the wagon on Mean Ghost when there's no pressure. Youmu's interaction to Mean Ghost doesn't look like she was bussing for this. I don't think Youmu is scum.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 4
« Reply #659 on: August 22, 2011, 07:12:58 PM »
The answer was already in your second quote of me. What you did at the end of the day was scummy. The way you went about the asking for a claim and stalling on the hammer was scummy. Scummy things make you the scum.

Unsatisfactory.

##Unvote

##Vote: Reg Shoe


I do not deny that my play was less than optimal yesterday, but I do not accept the logic you are using. While I can accept explanations for my play such as me being a serial killer, I cannot accept a vote for me on the assumption that I am scum without an explanation of your understanding of the setup of the game. Without a reasonable explanation for how we had two kills both night 2 and night 3 that includes me being scum which makes it more optimal to lynch me today rather than have me vigged if I'm lying, I cannot see you as going after the player "most likely to be scum", rather, it seems like you are parking your vote on a player you think is "scummy", without thinking over whether or not the logic behind me being scum works and whether or not that is the optimal town course of action.