Author Topic: Nue Quest 4th Ignition: A Z-Machine Adventure (Read 41743 times)

E-Nazrin · « **Reply #60 on:** July 14, 2011, 01:55:32 AM »

Frankly I get the impression we have far better circumstantial evidence against her than I expect her to be able to produce against us. If nothing else, the fact that she's been hiding while we've been actively, openly, and effectually investigating and even letting Reimu know about the whole mess doesn't paint her in a good light.

Not to mention that she's had a lot more opportunity to organize such a scheme and access wherever the money is hidden (since Nazrin was certain it was above ground, which we can't reach on a regular basis without being noticed) - especially if a search of Nue's bar turns up nothing and Eintei is reluctant to let people investigate Tewi's usual places. Assuming she didn't just hide them anywhere on the surface, given how much more freedom of movement she has.

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #61 on:** July 14, 2011, 01:58:27 AM »

The Reimu thing did occur to me, yes. As did asking why she didn't tell the people that were hiding her what we had supposedly done, if Rikako's reaction to our news is any indication.

But I've had a feeling for about a thread now that she's not actually the one responsible, and I think she'll be more cooperative if we're not belligerent in accusing her.

E-Nazrin · « **Reply #62 on:** July 14, 2011, 02:03:02 AM »

Indeed. If nothing else, I doubt she's the only one involved in the scheme. And knowing what she's planning to claim against us is a good thing.

And on the off chance she really is just a bystander, she can give us more info on who's trying to frame us through her. Though why they did so with someone known to be dodgy themselves is questionable...

Rin Kagamine · « **Reply #63 on:** July 14, 2011, 02:03:56 AM »

I'm positive she didn't do the money thing, but she probably took our cards at least

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #64 on:** July 14, 2011, 02:16:04 AM »

>"Now, you're quite suspicious-for one thing, you're the one who hid out, not me-but maybe you're being honest. Like me. Of course, I can't be sure you're telling the truth, and if you are, you can't be sure that I am. So first of all: did you take my spellcards?"
>If she says no: "Well, we'll add that to the list of statements to verify, then."
>If she says yes: "As I thought. How about this: if you return my spellcards, I know how to verify my statements and yours."
>Either way, continue with this: "Now, it just so happens that I've met Satori Komeiji. And she, if you don't know, can read minds. So how about we go to her? She can confirm for you that I didn't do this, and confirm for me that you didn't."

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #65 on:** July 14, 2011, 02:18:49 AM »

I must admit discomfort at the idea of playing too many of our cards at once. :C

E-Nazrin · « **Reply #66 on:** July 14, 2011, 02:27:45 AM »

Quote from: GuyYouMetOnline on July 14, 2011, 02:16:04 AM

>"Now, you're quite suspicious-for one thing, you're the one who hid out, not me-but maybe you're being honest. Like me. Of course, I can't be sure you're telling the truth, and if you are, you can't be sure that I am. So first of all: did you take my spellcards?"
>If she says no: "Well, we'll add that to the list of statements to verify, then."
>If she says yes: "As I thought. How about this: if you return my spellcards, I know how to verify my statements and yours."
>Either way, continue with this: "Now, it just so happens that I've met Satori Komeiji. And she, if you don't know, can read minds. So how about we go to her? She can confirm for you that I didn't do this, and confirm for me that you didn't."

>Hold on this. Let's take this one step at a time and let her make any slips along the way. Keep further arguments in our pocket for the moment.
>Though Satori would be a delightfully easy way to put an end to this if it comes to that, wouldn't it...

Rin Kagamine · « **Reply #67 on:** July 14, 2011, 02:28:33 AM »

Yeah, I'm not at all cool with laying all our stuff out, let alone going first.

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #68 on:** July 14, 2011, 03:43:18 AM »

Laying all of what out? I restated the situation and proposed going to Satori. That's it.

E-Nazrin · « **Reply #69 on:** July 14, 2011, 03:50:11 AM »

Quote from: GuyYouMetOnline on July 14, 2011, 03:43:18 AM

Laying all of what out? I restated the situation and proposed going to Satori. That's it.

You restated the situation as far as Nue is aware. As of yet there is no reason to make that identical to the situation as Tewi is aware. In fact, unless we hear her side first, she'll know more about the situation than us. And we don't need that.

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #70 on:** July 14, 2011, 04:03:52 AM »

What did I say that hasn't already been said? I mentioned that she seemed suspicious, yes, and suggested going to Satori, but that's hardly telling her much. Both Nue and Tewi know that the other's claiming to be innocent, after all. What exactly could she get from that that she doesn't already know?

E-Nazrin · « **Reply #71 on:** July 14, 2011, 04:23:31 AM »

Satori is a trump card of informational intimidation, assuming she'd cooperate in the first place (hint: based on previous quests she probably wouldn't). That's not a trivial addition. There's also the psychological aspect of how direct and intense to be with our accusations, and I'm not sure being directly confrontational with her would be the best course of action, if only at this point. You can't effectively start sweettalking after you've started making threats, so let's not burn that bridge yet.

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #72 on:** July 14, 2011, 04:47:45 AM »

Quote from: IronE-Nazrin on July 13, 2011, 10:38:31 PM

>"Then please explain why an oni in the Ancient City saw a rabbit in pink -"
> - Pointedly stare at her outfit for a moment -
>"... enter my bar while I was sleeping, and I woke up to find my spellcards gone and all the money replaced."
>Or did it happen shortly after we woke up?
>Most likely the spellcards were either taken for framing purposes, since this seems more like something we'd do (especially with the Seeds and all) or as some sort of component to draw on our powers in order to pull it off.

>"Oh," says Tewi, "so an oni saw someone who looked kinda like me. Which means it must have been me who did the gem thing. And not the person who, I don't know, actually works with jewels and tricking people?"

>_

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #73 on:** July 14, 2011, 04:57:23 AM »

>"That's the best evidence ever
>Roll eyes
>"Have anything else to add to that accusation?"

Feel free to countermand this if it's too hostile.

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #74 on:** July 14, 2011, 05:08:07 AM »

Quote from: UncertainKitten on July 14, 2011, 04:57:23 AM

>"That's the best evidence ever
>Roll eyes
>"Have anything else to add to that accusation?"

>"Yeah, I can make baseless accusations, too," says Tewi. "With even more grounding than yours. Funny, isn't it?"

>_

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #75 on:** July 14, 2011, 05:13:06 AM »

>"You're assuming I have nothing. And claiming you have something. You were saying something about baseless accusations?"
>Raise eyebrow

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #76 on:** July 14, 2011, 05:17:06 AM »

Quote from: UncertainKitten on July 14, 2011, 05:13:06 AM

>"You're assuming I have nothing. And claiming you have something. You were saying something about baseless accusations?"
>Raise eyebrow

>She laughs.
>"Assuming? I know you have nothing! Because I didn't do it. And if you think about it with the amount of brains we can expect from, say, Rumia, you can figure it out yourself. So, are we done here, or are you just going to dig yourself in deeper?"

>_

UncertainJakutten · « **Reply #77 on:** July 14, 2011, 05:28:01 AM »

Bah, sorry, I'm making it worse. She's going to be annoying to deal with. Suggestions involve pointing out the fact that we can insist the same thing and we have about the same amount of proof for said claim.

DracoOmega · « **Reply #78 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:16:27 AM »

>"You were seen walking into my place while I was asleep this morning. Care to tell me what you were doing there?"

GuyYouMetOnline · « **Reply #79 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:20:20 AM »

>"There's also the fact that you hid from me and made a run for it the moment you saw me. Which tells me that you did something to antagonize me, presumably stealing my spellcards. You were behind that, I think, correct?"
>"Anyways, let's try a different approach: why do you think I'm responsible? And before you answer, no, I don't have the ability to change the appearance of every coin in Gensokyo, so don't say it's because I can do illusions. And don't say it's because I like to 'play tricks', either. Besides, based on Eirin and Reisen's response, you're probably fond of that yourself, aren't you?"

I tend to prefer the direct approach, myself. And Satori wants this solved, too, so I think she'd cooperate.

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #80 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:33:33 AM »

Quote from: DracoOmega on July 14, 2011, 06:16:27 AM

>"You were seen walking into my place while I was asleep this morning. Care to tell me what you were doing there?"

>"And how did that lead the gems showing up?" says Tewi. "Because I'm really looking forward to how you made that connection."

Quote from: GuyYouMetOnline on July 14, 2011, 06:20:20 AM

>"There's also the fact that you hid from me and made a run for it the moment you saw me. Which tells me that you did something to antagonize me, presumably stealing my spellcards. You were behind that, I think, correct?"
>"Anyways, let's try a different approach: why do you think I'm responsible? And before you answer, no, I don't have the ability to change the appearance of every coin in Gensokyo, so don't say it's because I can do illusions. And don't say it's because I like to 'play tricks', either. Besides, based on Eirin and Reisen's response, you're probably fond of that yourself, aren't you?"

>"Hey, think what you want," says Tewi.
>You ask her why she thinks you're responsible. She frowns. "Been sampling your own wares a bit too much, maybe trying to keep up with a Deva? Okay, lemme break it down for you. I don't. I was trying to show you how dumb you were being for assuming it was me. Because that was pretty dumb. I was hoping that a counter accusation might open your eyes a bit, because you have just as much proof against you as you do against me. Except even more, because this kind of thing is actually your forte. So think before you just accuse people. And maybe lay off the sauce."

>_

DracoOmega · « **Reply #81 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:37:22 AM »

>"Then you can just wait in anticipation for a bit longer. I notice you didn't actually answer the question; might want to try that."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #82 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:44:33 AM »

Quote from: DracoOmega on July 14, 2011, 06:37:22 AM

>"Then you can just wait in anticipation for a bit longer. I notice you didn't actually answer the question; might want to try that."

>"Yeah, I was trying not to embarrass you any further by giving you a chance to ask better questions," says Tewi. "But you know what? It's interesting you mention Eirin and Reisen. They're going to be very interested in this story."

>_

DracoOmega · « **Reply #83 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:48:43 AM »

>"I already spoke with them, actually. They were both rather... interested in finding your whereabouts."
>"And I fail to see why I ought to feel embarrassed about asking what were you doing lying your way into my place. So I'll ask it again: what were you doing there?"

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #84 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:56:08 AM »

Quote from: DracoOmega on July 14, 2011, 06:48:43 AM

>"I already spoke with them, actually. They were both rather... interested in finding your whereabouts."
>"And I fail to see why I ought to feel embarrassed about asking what were you doing lying your way into my place. So I'll ask it again: what were you doing there?"

>"Oh probably," says Tewi as you mention having spoke with Eirin and Reisen. "They're interested in a lot of things."
>"Just trying to deliver a message that's no longer valid," says Tewi. "Going to tell you about the gem thing. And since you weren't there, couldn't do that."

>_

DracoOmega · « **Reply #85 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:59:10 AM »

>"Going to tell me what? That it had happened?"
>Assuming an affirmative: "Why me, of all the people in Gensokyo?"

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #86 on:** July 14, 2011, 07:02:25 AM »

Quote from: DracoOmega on July 14, 2011, 06:59:10 AM

>"Going to tell me what? That it had happened?"
>Assuming an affirmative: "Why me, of all the people in Gensokyo?"

>"Yeah, you're welcome," says Tewi. "And before you ask why, someone asked me to. And before you ask who, I can't say. Promised and all."

>_

DracoOmega · « **Reply #87 on:** July 14, 2011, 07:08:57 AM »

>"That's awfully convenient. And kinda unnecessary seeming, given how pretty much everyone in a couple mile radius found out on their own pretty soon afterward."
>"But, y'see, I know someone swiped my spellcards. A streetear was watching the door. Saw you go in, saw you go out, and only you. There's not a long list of people who'd steal something in the Ancient City, and I'm sure you know it's not worth accusing any of them of lying, either."

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #88 on:** July 14, 2011, 07:17:20 AM »

Quote from: DracoOmega on July 14, 2011, 07:08:57 AM

>"That's awfully convenient. And kinda unnecessary seeming, given how pretty much everyone in a couple mile radius found out on their own pretty soon afterward."
>"But, y'see, I know someone swiped my spellcards. A streetear was watching the door. Saw you go in, saw you go out, and only you. There's not a long list of people who'd steal something in the Ancient City, and I'm sure you know it's not worth accusing any of them of lying, either."

>"Well, I'm sorry someone cared enough about you to obligate me," says Tewi with a shrug.
>She sighs. "Okay, and why are you assuming I took them, when everyone's money poofed into gems?"

>_

DracoOmega · « **Reply #89 on:** July 14, 2011, 07:23:08 AM »

>"Because I don't think there was a lot of poofing going on, this time. The gem thing hit everyone, near as I can tell, but I'm the only person I've talked to who lost their spellcards too. Nothing weird in their place, either. Just plain ordinary gone. I get one unusual visitor just before they show up missing, in a city of of the most non-thieves you're ever going to find anywhere. Tell me what you'd think."