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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #630 on: June 04, 2009, 02:38:04 AM »
Stages aren't everything. With enough practice, the help you gain from Reimu's homing becomes insignificant, as every stage is perfectly doable with Marisa A. However, her paltry boss performance does not go away. I know it's not as bad as LLS, where Marisa can literally defeat bosses twice as fast as her homing type, but it still pales in comparison to Marisa.

But then again that's my opinion, and we all know what that amounts to. >_>

shut up noob. Reimu A is better for esod.

Nah seriously, I actually prefer marissa A for most touhous as well, but I still do better with reimu in esod only (except the extra stage). I just find that it helps so much to be able to damage bosses that are CONSTANTLY bouncing away from where I need to dodge 100% if I'm reimu.. only in esod do they move like jerks, sooooo annoying.

only reason why I don't like Reimu for the extra stage is because it's makes royal flare and philosipher's stone sooo hard, in addition, the homing thingies track the bullets for spells like cranberry trap, NOT the boss, very ghey.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #631 on: June 04, 2009, 03:00:04 AM »
in addition, the homing thingies track the bullets for spells like cranberry trap, NOT the boss, very ghey.

This.

I also -like- Reimu's slower movement. I can dodge more precisely with it.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #632 on: June 04, 2009, 04:29:00 AM »
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #633 on: June 04, 2009, 05:22:36 AM »
Since we got the PoFV patch, I've been catching up with the text while seeing how my skills have gotten over time.  Managed to 1cc Normal with Komachi.  The duels against Reimu and Shiki were way too long for my tastes.  The only thing preventing me from actually counting this, though, is the fact that for some reason (maybe it's the tons of Firefox tabs?), there's lurching lag every so often.  Meaning, it drops down to < 50 FPS, sometimes even to < 20 for a second and a half, which sometimes means a hit on my part.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #634 on: June 04, 2009, 05:47:57 AM »
This.

I also -like- Reimu's slower movement. I can dodge more precisely with it.

me too actually, that's my big problem with these games is I'm absolutely terrible at moving small amounts. I frequently move more than I i ntend to and run into certain doom when I die. For example on the extra boss in MoF, when she casts long arms and long legs or whatever, I had a really hard time not backing up into the lasers as the bullets were approaching and I had to move back (towards the laser). bleh...and that's as reimu lol.

I try to use marissa as much as I can for alot of the games anyway though because I just know she's flat out better for the very hardest level of content in each game, normally.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #635 on: June 04, 2009, 06:25:33 AM »
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #636 on: June 04, 2009, 06:26:54 AM »
me too actually, that's my big problem with these games is I'm absolutely terrible at moving small amounts. I frequently move more than I i ntend to and run into certain doom when I die. For example on the extra boss in MoF, when she casts long arms and long legs or whatever, I had a really hard time not backing up into the lasers as the bullets were approaching and I had to move back (towards the laser). bleh...and that's as reimu lol.

I try to use marissa as much as I can for alot of the games anyway though because I just know she's flat out better for the very hardest level of content in each game, normally.

Sadly, this is far from the case in any game past PCB. From IN on, Marisa is given a ridiculously large hitbox that combines with her fast speed to make your life a living hell should you ever use her.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #637 on: June 04, 2009, 06:30:44 AM »
Sadly, this is far from the case in any game past PCB. From IN on, Marisa is given a ridiculously large hitbox that combines with her fast speed to make your life a living hell should you ever use her.

Really? I figured she was still the character of choice due to malice cannon.

BTW the hitbox thing appears to be the same size (appearance wise whilst holding focus), is it and I'm just blind? (I havne't looked side by side so to speak). Or is the smaller hitbox just in effect, but not actually represented by the dot.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #638 on: June 04, 2009, 06:36:02 AM »
I believe paraphrasing what someone in the past said is best:

Malice cannon doesn't make the magic team broken. It makes them playable.

You may not notice it now, but trust me when I say the difference between Marisa's hitbox in IN/MoF/SA and Reimu's is huge. Add on the fact that in IN Yukari actually does more damage than Alice, the fact that you need to either abuse a bug or position familiars perfectly for Marisa to deal more damage than Reimu B, and the fact that Marisa A needs to fire UNFOCUSED to even deal more damage than Reimu A, and you have a "isn't it sad Marisa? ;_;" scenario.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #639 on: June 04, 2009, 07:54:14 AM »
"Mugetu Rape Time" is really fun~

Cleared Survived it, with one of those... one-of-a-kind deaths at the end.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #640 on: June 04, 2009, 08:08:19 AM »
She woth only playing with you. Her apron NOT EVEN DROP.

God I love their timeout attacks. They're one big "screw you" for thinking that they're the easiest extra bosses.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #641 on: June 04, 2009, 08:39:48 AM »
I FINALLY BEAT KANAKO

YES

Spoiler:
on easy ;_;

Ghaleon

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #642 on: June 04, 2009, 08:41:40 AM »
I FINALLY BEAT KANAKO

YES

Spoiler:
on easy ;_;

ehh. I thought easy only goes up to level 5

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #643 on: June 04, 2009, 08:43:04 AM »
WEWT. 1CC'd normal SA.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=3512
That was definately harder. I feel as proud as I did when I 1cc'd EoSD (not that it was harder, just my first Touhou game so.. yeah).

Please tell me the extra stage on SA isn't ridiculously harder than the extra stages on other games of the series just like the story =o.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #644 on: June 04, 2009, 08:58:01 AM »
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=3513

Attempting Rings of Death (use the VSync patch and speed through, or just play it through normally).

After adjusting myself, it looks quite easy.

Expect me to do more attempts at timeout. Maybe I'll put a video up instead.

That's also an IN Clear using Reimu Solo, which is more difficult than it looks. Especially when forcefully suiciding / bombing on the Rings of Death.

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Please tell me the extra stage on SA isn't ridiculously harder than the extra stages on other games of the series just like the story =o.
See for yourself. Speaking of which, I feel like trying again.

EDIT: Oh hey. And that would've been a "Subterranean Rose" capture if it wasn't for my spacing out. Also, during "Embers of Love", I stop momentarily to pull my chair. See if you can find where!

...and whatever it says in the replay description.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=3515
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #645 on: June 04, 2009, 10:16:04 AM »
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I firmly believe Reimu A to be the superior choice in EoSD, if only for the stages. The homing makes them so much easier.

ReimuA is by far the worst choice for EoSD stages. The stages in EoSD are all very easy once you learn them, even on Lunatic. They are nearly completely trivial, in fact. However, this is only if you can do enough damage to kill the tougher fairies quickly. ReimuA cannot do this, and she suffers from it at the following points:

- Second half of stage three. Still trivializable for ReimuA, but every other character type has a lot more room for error.
- The three fairies immediately before Patchy in stage four. These are essentially impossible for ReimuA without extreme luck or a bomb, but fairly easy for everyone else as long as you use the proper method.
- The "wall" fairies before midboss Sakuya in stage five. ReimuA requires a combination of luck and very quick reading and reaction here. The other shot types trivialize it.

This doesn't sound like a lot, but keep in mind that the second and third points basically require bombing and that Reimu's homing really does very little for her. Unlike, say, IN, EoSD doesn't have weak enemies flying around everywhere covering the screen with death bullets. Instead it relies primarily on forcing the player to stream. A lot. And if you don't learn how to properly stream the stages then you will die regardless of who you are using (see stage four Lunatic). The only time on the stage where ReimuA has a significant advantage is the beginning of stage six on Lunatic, as she kills the enemies on both sides of the screen resulting on much fewer bullets everywhere. But this isn't enough to make up for the difficulties she faces in other places, especially since this section isn't all that hard for the other shot types anyway.

ReimuA shines because she has a very powerful bomb, is well equipped to deal with bosses that move very randomly, and has a relatively easy Patchy battle.

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Attempting Rings of Death timeout

Expect me to do more attempts at timeout. Maybe I'll put a video up instead.

I tried that for a while. I think I got it down to two or three deaths and no bombs. I'd suggest trying it with Alice, as her bomb is so weak that it barely does anything to Mokou's lifebar (Reimu's bomb, especially her deathbomb, can be very problematic here if you don't want the attack to end). The difference in hitbox size doesn't really matter, as the gaps are big, just traveling very fast.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2009, 10:39:57 AM by Kefit »

Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #646 on: June 04, 2009, 10:59:41 AM »
I was not satisfied with my lousy 385 mil. score of my Mountain of Faith Hard 1CC so i decided to redo it. To much success. Over 800 million points. Awesome my skill level considered. On the topic of Mountain of Faith i finally took my time to do a Normal 1CC without bombs. I died a horrible lot to stupid things though but regardless. Now i've got that off my chest.

ReimuA is by far the worst choice for EoSD stages. The stages in EoSD are all very easy once you learn them, even on Lunatic. They are nearly completely trivial, in fact. However, this is only if you can do enough damage to kill the tougher fairies quickly.

EoSD have heavy emphasis on learning the stages. I took a spin out of casualty at EoSD Lunatic just playing by the ear dodging the best i could and i only made it to the books of Stage 4 which destroyed me. At that point i had lost a lot of lives. Not too much to the bosses but to the stages as i had no clue as to how to do them. Not stage 1 though. That one is easy and stage 2 is kind of too but from that point on it takes some knowledge. That's how i see it anyway.


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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #647 on: June 04, 2009, 11:06:59 AM »
I tried that for a while. I think I got it down to two or three deaths and no bombs. I'd suggest trying it with Alice, as her bomb is so weak that it barely does anything to Mokou's lifebar (Reimu's bomb, especially her deathbomb, can be very problematic here if you don't want the attack to end). The difference in hitbox size doesn't really matter, as the gaps are big, just traveling very fast.
My deathbombing (or pre-bombing for that matter) is horrid. I really don't see the IN deathbomb window outside of Spell Cards, and the Border Team (or just Reimu / Yukari solo).

Either way, got it down to the 12-second mark, using 2 bombs and 2 (spare) lives [with Alice]. Oddly enough, I believe I can actually read it. Maybe I'm getting used to reading these fast rings. Though, it's nowhere near as fast as the super-phases for LLS Extra (such as the above posted video). Might give Kanako's opening phase at Lunatic another shot to see whether I've truly become better at reading ring patterns.

Though, everything outside of "GRT" is really, rings of bullets added over the base pattern, which can really screw you over. While "GRT" itself is just... lots of rings. Apparently affected by rank too.

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No good. I can withstand at best 3 seconds of "GRT" (out of invulnerability time). If I'm lucky, it'll be for longer. I can't read the bullet pattern. Maybe I should grind Kanako's opener and time it out first. If I didn't attempt to go for GRT, it would've been a 6 life (5 spare) clear of LLS Extra.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #648 on: June 04, 2009, 05:59:44 PM »
ehh. I thought easy only goes up to level 5
Only in touhou 6.

I still got the bad ending though

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #649 on: June 04, 2009, 06:03:08 PM »
I managed to snag one of Bailey's replays. IN Stage 1 on Hard.
I have no idea how to upload them, though...

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #650 on: June 04, 2009, 07:30:13 PM »
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Maybe I should grind Kanako's opener and time it out first.

I tried this out once too. One try is all it took to convince me to never try it again.

Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #651 on: June 04, 2009, 07:52:02 PM »
Finally captured Ex-Reimu's second phase (the yin-yang/yellow bullet one).  Ironically right now it's the only phase of hers that I've got a good strategy for, other than her loleasy final attack.  My goal now is to actually clear the stage with one or more extra lives, which I've come close to doing but keep making stupid mistakes -_-.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #652 on: June 04, 2009, 08:46:58 PM »
Well, Timing-out Kanako's opener isn't as hard as Gengetu rape time or Mokou's Ring of Death. I timed it out with one death with 12 seconds remaining (of course i was saved by luck plenty times). The hard part is not to blink at all for 70 seconds.

EDIT : ... my MoF copy ruined every replay i made. No replay. I am very sorry...
« Last Edit: June 04, 2009, 08:55:21 PM by Zetzumarshen »

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #653 on: June 04, 2009, 09:55:18 PM »
I tried this out once too. One try is all it took to convince me to never try it again.
Well, Timing-out Kanako's opener isn't as hard as Gengetu rape time or Mokou's Ring of Death. I timed it out with one death with 12 seconds remaining (of course i was saved by luck plenty times). The hard part is not to blink at all for 70 seconds.

EDIT : ... my MoF copy ruined every replay i made. No replay. I am very sorry...
Mm. Surprised that I can actually see the bullets this time. Unlike last week, where all I saw were blurs. Lasted random intervals of time, ranging from 8 seconds to 30 seconds. I can even see the points where I would get hit, and bomb in reaction.

Don't worry about a replay; I'll make one... in due time.

Also, I'm finding Mokou's Rings of Death much easier than Kanako's opener at this point.

EDIT: I found a pattern in Kanako's opener? Checking. Semi-pattern. Not worth noting.

And a 3 death clear. Now I can't read the waves anymore. Guess this would be a good time to stop for now.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #654 on: June 05, 2009, 01:11:55 AM »
I like Kanako's opener. It's like a tongue twister, but for your eyes and brain.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #655 on: June 05, 2009, 02:02:19 AM »
Beat SA Hard 1cc! ^^

And it was only the first time I'd gotten to Utsuho too!

It's by no means a clean run. I die twice on Stage two, a couple times on Rin. Like 4 times on Utsuho, and some others somewhere. BUT IT IS DONE FINALLY!!!

And there were no deaths on Satori even ^^
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #656 on: June 05, 2009, 05:04:57 AM »
I've been getting this strange idea lately...It's called "EoSD lunatic stage 6 no deaths run." With the vsynch patch, Eternal Meek is no longer impossible to capture, and Other than Vampire Illusion screwing me over often I'm actually very consistent with her fight (the result of doing it over 200 times). This is the second run I made it to Scarlet Gensokyo before dying. I actually only had to bomb once on Scarlet Meister, but I had to bomb near the start of Scarlet Gensokyo and had died when she had about 1/5 her health left. D:
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #657 on: June 05, 2009, 07:06:15 AM »
I've been getting this strange idea lately...It's called "EoSD lunatic stage 6 no deaths run." With the vsynch patch, Eternal Meek is no longer impossible to capture, and Other than Vampire Illusion screwing me over often I'm actually very consistent with her fight (the result of doing it over 200 times). This is the second run I made it to Scarlet Gensokyo before dying. I actually only had to bomb once on Scarlet Meister, but I had to bomb near the start of Scarlet Gensokyo and had died when she had about 1/5 her health left. D:

I hate you, I want vsync patch for EoTS >=(.. blah I really have to find my windoze CD.

As for accomplishments, I played some EoTS today just for fun...While it's fun cuz it's still probably my fave touhou, it's like nails on a chalkboard cuz it's the only one without the vsync patch, and MAN DOES IT SUCK once you're used to the patch.

Despite the issues with the patch, one of the hardest spellcards in the game for me  (starbrow break), is easy as heck now just cuz I'm so damn used to abusing my hitbox. Instead of panicing I can totally tell if I'm safe or not on that spellcard way in advance by a quick glance up, I'm uber leet >=P... So in case you didn't figure it out I captured it (prob not much of an accomplishment but it sure felt neat given it was like one of the hardest spellcards in the game for me).

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #658 on: June 05, 2009, 07:13:00 AM »
...What's "EoTS" supposed to for? :P

And EoSD totally has a vsynch patch, what are you talking about? It and PCB are the only games that really need them, since the lag in IN is insignificant and you can't notice it unless you try.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #659 on: June 05, 2009, 07:16:46 AM »
1cc LLS Hard, with 6 lives remaining. Reimu is ridiculously easier to battle against.

And I have no idea on how to do Yuka's Final Phase.

Going to video it... maybe. If not, then just Stage 4 and / or 6.


EDIT: I just noticed that Reimu doesn't use Genjii when you fight her. Maybe she's flying already? Well, she does teleport and move around the screen ridiculously fast.


EDIT 2: All videos uploaded. Waiting for processing to fully finish before I set them to public.

EDIT 3: Access them through my channel.
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