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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #390 on: May 20, 2009, 10:47:00 PM »
Doing something like that while showing off is a great feeling, although he doesn't think Emerald Megalith is that hard since he plays easy mode. X_X

Playing Emerald Megalith on easy makes it Emerald Minorlith.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #391 on: May 20, 2009, 11:41:29 PM »
Oh, this is definitely interesting.

Will write a close-to-complete analysis of DBDB / BSBS when I get back.

What has ZUN been thinking... >_>
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #392 on: May 21, 2009, 05:15:56 AM »
Although it's from a touhou fan game, I think this speaks for itself:



My replay on Youtube

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #393 on: May 21, 2009, 05:20:44 AM »
Got a replay file?

I'm on limited bandwidth.

From what I can see, you just did a perfect 7-2-2.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #394 on: May 21, 2009, 05:27:07 AM »
Yes, I have the replay.  Give me a couple of minutes to upload it.

*Edit: Finally, MediaFire cooperates.  Here is the replay file: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?n232mxymznj
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #395 on: May 21, 2009, 05:40:56 AM »
I guess I'm not the best Western SMW player anymore.

I wonder if I'll even bother finishing the LP now.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #396 on: May 21, 2009, 05:44:19 AM »
Shouldn't this just make it more possible for you? It's not as though everyone gave up on EoSD lunatic because Kefit did it first or whatever example you'd like.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #397 on: May 21, 2009, 05:47:13 AM »
...which reminds me.

I've still yet to finish 7-2-2. That 4th wave is... ...  >_>

EDIT: writing up DBDB analysis.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #398 on: May 21, 2009, 05:49:44 AM »
Shouldn't this just make it more possible for you? It's not as though everyone gave up on EoSD lunatic because Kefit did it first or whatever example you'd like.

It's not me doing it at this point, though. It's just me following instructions, which any schmoe can do.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #399 on: May 21, 2009, 08:13:55 AM »
It's not me doing it at this point, though. It's just me following instructions, which any schmoe can do.
Yeah, but your playing skill is still one of the best around. Kind of like going for Touhou at Lunatic. It's pointless knowing all the "theory" if you don't have the skills to execute.

Either way. It's time. Incoming wall of text. This is what my theorizing does.

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想起「二重黒死蝶」 / Recollection "Double Black Death Butterfly"

This covers especially Hard / Lunatic. Normal to a certain degree.

Replay containing awesomeness of a 0 power capture of said Spell Card. [its essentially a timeout too, and awesomeness is a word?; spell-checker didn't pick it up as an error]

Analysis: (ignore if you wish, and skip towards "Result and Conclusion" for a summary of what to do)

Satori will release a pseudo-random set of butterfly bullets. This should be ~100 at Normal, and ~150 at Hard / Lunatic. At Lunatic, the bullets have a tendency to land off-screen, which actually makes the Spell Card easier... somewhat. Faster bullets move further after all, in a constant time frame.

The bullets shot will spread out in 8 directions. Since ZUN is lazy The same spread of shots is shot in each of the 8 directions. In other words, of the full circle, only a sector worth 45 degrees is unique, with the other 315 degrees being a copy of the original. i.e. It really doesn't matter where you stand; you'll end up getting the same waves. Unless you want to shift around for the 22.5 degree difference. The only notable difference is the overall direction of the bullets in relation to your position.

The inner- and outer- bullets will be preset, and don't spawn at random locations like the inter- bullets. These bullets form perfect circles (or octagons) around the casting point. The median bullets appear to be preset as well.

The rotation of the said bullets varies by difficulty. There appears to be no difference between Normal and Hard, but the Lunatic bullets rotate around by an extra 30-40 degrees or so. Red bullets move anti-clockwise, and blue move clockwise.

Bullets move at about the same speed for Normal and Hard. Bullets at Lunatic move at a much greater speed, but not that fast as absolute speed.

In short, the phases for each set are spread, stop, rotate. Both stop and rotate are marked with a jingle I believe.

Result(s) and Conclusion:

For Normal and Hard, avoid the bottom of the screen. It is a deathtrap if you linger there 80% of the time. Stay centered if you wish to end the Spell Card quickly, or finding yourself able to read and dodge bullets incoming from 2 sides. Alternatively, you can move slightly to the left or the right during each wave, and "flow" with the direction of one of the waves. This makes the Spell Card easier, but takes longer to capture, even to the point of timeout if you're not careful. Either way, repeat until it's over.

For Lunatic... it is essentially the same thing. Except the bottom of the screen is a lot safer. Read the set, move to the appropriate position, micro-dodge, repeat. Just make sure you have a high awareness of your surroundings (bullets move faster and swing a greater degree). Alternatively, you may want to move with the "flow" of one of the waves, much like above. However, you will need to multitask both reading the sets of waves, and micro-dodge, due to the nature related to difficulty.

Here's a recommended field of awareness from the replay above:

Compromise the field in accordance to your skill though. Wouldn't want you to clip bullets.

For moving with the "flow" of one the waves, you really only need to focus on one color of bullets. Go with whatever one suits you. By moving with the "flow", I am referring to moving in 1 direction (in this case left-right or vice-versa).

To trivialize the Spell Card by a certain degree, you can wall-hug, so that about 1/3 of the bullets fly off-screen.

Generally, you want to be able to move precisely while focused, and predict the movement of bullets.

1. Hard Spell Card? Yes. But still not the hardest.
2. Is it that BS? No, Eternal Meek does worse things. It's shorter though. Oh, and the spread isn't BS; you just don't read it fast enough.
3. Any way to "cheat"? Sure. Bomb right at the start. It will negate the first wave. Alternatively, die right at the start (by being over Satori).

Remarks:

-Hard's version is more difficult than Lunatic, in my opinion.
-of the 26 attempts (2 were used to unlock Practice Mode), 3 were captures. 2 were timeouts, each with 1 death each. Many of these were actually also me just screwing around with the Spell Card, working it out (~13). This was on Lunatic.
-donut had the right idea on how to do this initially... if I recall.

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Now looking for another Spell Card to analyze.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #400 on: May 21, 2009, 03:09:08 PM »


Eternal Meek!
Awww yeeeaaah.
No lucky dodges! Well... I managed to read everything, but there were still some dodges that I would probably have failed if I tried again. Highest rank possible in practice mode, too.

My only proof that it is Lunatic is the number of points I'm getting from the point items.

Edit: Reimu A, btw.

Edit2: Lol:


It was lower rank though, as I had just died (and then bombed for the items) on the 20 rings just before Sakuya. I was still moving when the first set fired :(
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #401 on: May 21, 2009, 06:42:47 PM »
I'm a noob so my accomplishment is pretty lame, but I'm pretty proud I can finally consistently beat EoSD's level 3 mid-boss' beautiful flower spellcard (or whatever its called).

I still suck at colorful rain and tsunami though, which is a pain in the neck because I beat those two without bombs on my very first try thinking "wow this is easy, is this a joke?". now for the life of me I can't do it.

Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #402 on: May 21, 2009, 07:54:47 PM »
I'm a noob so my accomplishment is pretty lame, but I'm pretty proud I can finally consistently beat EoSD's level 3 mid-boss' beautiful flower spellcard (or whatever its called).

I still suck at colorful rain and tsunami though, which is a pain in the neck because I beat those two without bombs on my very first try thinking "wow this is easy, is this a joke?". now for the life of me I can't do it.

Colorful Rain - This spellcard can be tricky if you are new to these games. You are supposed to look at the bullets right as they spawn. With a little bit of training you should be able to read their trajectory. Doing that will make them appear less random and you will easier be able to handle a spellcard or a non-spell for that matter. I understand that you are a new-born Touhou player (and on that occasion, may i congratulate you. Welcome to the best game series ever made.) so you might not understand a lot of the different techniques the good Touhou players use constantly sometimes maybe even without thinking about it.

One thing is pre-reading enemy attacks. The art of looking at bullets and determining where they are headed and how fast they are headed there. This technique is mandatory and its just what you need for Colorful Rain. When you are dealing with the art of reading you will most of the time focus on the top of the screen rather than the bottom of it as most infant players tend to do.

Its actually quite hard to explain but maybe i have done it well enough and maybe you know this already. (Although i didn't. Really, it took me forever to get anywhere in Touhou. It still does actually.)

As for Tsunami... i don't have a clue what you are talking about. I don't recall there being a spell called Tsunami. If you are referring to Hongs final spellcard then there isn't much offer to give. You will need your reading again but also some good dodging skills. There is a certain level of bullshit to this one. Sometimes it goes easy on you and other times it will kick your ass. Its probably due to that hell-spawned ranking system. You are familiar with shmups so i'm guessing you know what a rank-system is. If not, just ask.


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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #403 on: May 22, 2009, 12:08:34 AM »
Colorful Rain - This spellcard can be tricky if you are new to these games. You are supposed to look at the bullets right as they spawn. With a little bit of training you should be able to read their trajectory. Doing that will make them appear less random and you will easier be able to handle a spellcard or a non-spell for that matter. I understand that you are a new-born Touhou player (and on that occasion, may i congratulate you. Welcome to the best game series ever made.) so you might not understand a lot of the different techniques the good Touhou players use constantly sometimes maybe even without thinking about it.

One thing is pre-reading enemy attacks. The art of looking at bullets and determining where they are headed and how fast they are headed there. This technique is mandatory and its just what you need for Colorful Rain. When you are dealing with the art of reading you will most of the time focus on the top of the screen rather than the bottom of it as most infant players tend to do.

Its actually quite hard to explain but maybe i have done it well enough and maybe you know this already. (Although i didn't. Really, it took me forever to get anywhere in Touhou. It still does actually.)

As for Tsunami... i don't have a clue what you are talking about. I don't recall there being a spell called Tsunami. If you are referring to Hongs final spellcard then there isn't much offer to give. You will need your reading again but also some good dodging skills. There is a certain level of bullshit to this one. Sometimes it goes easy on you and other times it will kick your ass. Its probably due to that hell-spawned ranking system. You are familiar with shmups so i'm guessing you know what a rank-system is. If not, just ask.

Actually I'm fairly new to shmups in general. I've only really played gradius and r-type which aren't very challenging compared to this, nor do they play the same way.

I understand what you're saying with colorful rain, what screws me are I THINK it's always the yellow and orange bullets that get me, they seem to curve mid-trajectory, and they goof me up. However I discovered that they aren't as annoying if you play like a noob (or at least when I was a noob) and hug the bottom middle of the screen like you're too scared to go forward, they typically curve out of the way by that point.

But anyway, down with my accomplishment, I just 1cc'd normal just now wooot. I was doing really good, got to the level 4 boss without losing any lives, though I think I had no bombs (maybe I had 1, I forget). I think I only died once on her, which is pretty good for me, I killed the damn maid boss' corpse clock and marionette without a bomb! I was just owning. After the maid boss though I was so excited that I was doing so good that my skill went to hell, my hands were shaking, I couldn't hit the broad side of a castle if I wanted to cuz I was just so pumped.. so I pretty much bomb spammed my way to victory with my last 5 lives on the final level. I ended up just barely killing the final boss with my last life and no bombs. I wanna play more but I really can't..hands...shaking.

Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #404 on: May 22, 2009, 01:23:01 AM »
Congratz Ghaleon :P
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #405 on: May 22, 2009, 01:33:14 AM »
But anyway, down with my accomplishment, I just 1cc'd normal just now wooot.
Aw, hell.  Not another one of these absurdly good people who can 1cc a game inside a week.  I bet he turns out to be another Kefit in a couple years.

I mean, um, congrats!  Seriously!

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #406 on: May 22, 2009, 02:37:54 AM »
Default lives or max lives? I might feel a bit less depressed if you used max lives. Not that I could do it either way.

And fuck you if you had set it to 1 life  :P.

I really should just play the damn game myself. Playing once a week won't take me very far.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #407 on: May 22, 2009, 02:44:11 AM »
A new Kefit? Nah, beating it in one week means we have a new Donut on our hands.

Oh god that's even worse. D:
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #408 on: May 22, 2009, 02:59:37 AM »
Oh god that's even worse. D:
No it isn't... is it?  ;_;

DBDB is trivial now. Now if I can just do the stage perfectly, it would be a perfect run...  >_>

Damn clips.

Oh, and Mokou's "Rings of Death"? 1 bomb again.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #409 on: May 22, 2009, 03:02:50 AM »
I intend to beat the series on lunatic but I'm not much of a score grinder in any game so I'll doubt I'll ever be that good.

Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #410 on: May 22, 2009, 03:55:03 AM »
woo, 1cc'd PCB. This is starting to become easier :D

this was actually after I played touhous 1-5 and become REALLY bored. Seriously, most
of those games are boring, except 1 and 3 were kinda fun (HRtP and PoDD)

I'm considering remaking those games to be more like the windows games, but that's
on the backburner.

Oh, here's the replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=3337

And here's the replay for my EoSD 1cc: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=3338

Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #411 on: May 22, 2009, 04:24:58 AM »
this was actually after I played touhous 1-5 and become REALLY bored. Seriously, most
of those games are boring, except 1 and 3 were kinda fun (HRtP and PoDD)

I'm considering remaking those games to be more like the windows games, but that's
on the backburner.

inb4donutrage.  Also you actually liked HRtP and PoDD more than LLS and MS?  That is quite a unique opinion you have there.

Speaking of pre-windows games, I just cleared Shuusou Gyoku's extra stage for the second time ever.  Whee!  After getting my first clear about a month and a half ago, I was sure that some curse had befallen me that prevented me from clearing it ever again.  But I did it, once again with two bombs in stock, strangely enough. 

I also figured out a possible strategy to 'capture' Reimu's second phase.  As in the yellow-bullet/yin yang phase that used to give me so much hell. I actually kind of laughed when I finally figured out the trick.  It turns out those horrific yellow bullets are in fact aimed away from you.  lawl.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #412 on: May 22, 2009, 04:51:31 AM »
About a month ago I got the silly idea to get an NDNB timeout of VoWG.

Some ~300 attempts later, I have 10 1-death timeouts, countless 2 and 3 death timeouts and still no NDNB timeout. Moreover this is getting to tedious levels so I'm going to shelve this for now and get back to it later.

In the meantime, here's a random 1-death timeout of VoWG.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #413 on: May 22, 2009, 06:48:17 AM »
Well after doing my first 1 cc run on normal earlier today, I decided to try reimu instead of Marissa now. Boy is she much better imo. I ended with 3 lives (2 stars left means 3 lives right?). prob could have ended with 4 or 5 but I had so many I decided to not bomb certain attacks that I probably should have in hopes of mastering them for future attempts better... Along with some deaths caused by me not memorizing each attack and catching me off guard.

I totally sucked at the 2 attacks I aced on my first 1cc run though, go figure.
Anyway I uploaded the replay this time since I feel like I did so much better on this run:
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=3339

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #414 on: May 22, 2009, 07:12:13 AM »
1cc tHRtP Easy.

Damn I feel good. Even though I bomb spammed the 2nd form of Sariel.


EDIT: that isn't even my hi-score lololololol. That's 3rd.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #415 on: May 22, 2009, 08:23:47 AM »
Finally completed that 1cc easy run on PCB. Also, finally captured Repository of Hirokawa, which leaves me with only two easy spellcards to capture: Sumizome Perfect Blossom, and Resurrection Butterfly 10%.

On other news, How the hell I'm supposed to get thru those two without bombing the hell out of them?

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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #416 on: May 22, 2009, 09:20:37 AM »
I'd say "Don't get hit".. But they are two difficult spellcards. Go play some normal. When you're more used to those versions of those, the easy ones will look trivial. The only hint I can give, I guess is that I find it easier to dodge the red waves of resurrection butterfly near the breaking point where they stretch and criss-cross. It's tense and unforgiving but that's where I get my best results (came down to already getting through -30% using only one bomb sometimes)
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #417 on: May 22, 2009, 09:38:43 AM »
It's not me doing it at this point, though. It's just me following instructions, which any schmoe can do.

I would disagree.  For me, the first part of that battle is hell.  It took me nearly four hours to get a chance at the danmaku field after knowing what I needed to do to clear it.  I also agree with BaitySM in that even if you know the strategies, that's different from executing them in play (especially when it's your first chance in hours).  The ones I posted were the ones that worked for me, and I would say that only the 1st and 4th waves are made trivial by them.  Even in that run, I screwed up a wave that I anticipated to dodge (and I was lucky I had a hit to give).  So, I disagree with your statement above, because in my opinion, even if you learned the strategies from somewhere else, it is still an incredibly tough feat to pull off, and it should not be lessened in any way.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #418 on: May 22, 2009, 10:22:48 AM »
Watched through the replay.

The positions you used to get through the waves... very interesting.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishments
« Reply #419 on: May 22, 2009, 03:45:51 PM »
Quote from: Darkblizer
this was actually after I played touhous 1-5 and become REALLY bored. Seriously, most
of those games are boring, except 1 and 3 were kinda fun (HRtP and PoDD)

That is worse than most of my opinions! How are HRtP and PoDD more fun than LLS or MS?