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Title: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: nintendonut888 on April 23, 2011, 11:49:50 PM
Since there are too many spoilerific elements to safely talk about Madoka Magica in a general thread, it's been said that this series deserves its own discussion thread. So, here ya go.
Ahem...
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Hey everyone! This is Puella Magi Madoka Magica, a pretty neat anime that just finished up this week! Let's discuss the mind-bending nature of the show. Be sure to take into consideration that not everyone has seen or finished the anime, and make prudent use of spoiler tags.
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on April 23, 2011, 11:51:07 PM
sweetest anime of the year y/y
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Post by: UncertainJakutten on April 23, 2011, 11:56:34 PM
Definitely y. After episode 10, my like for Homura just kept skyrocketing. I feel VERY comfortable with my decision to cosplay her, particularly with the ending.
It's amazing how much she was developed at the end.
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Post by: Suikama on April 23, 2011, 11:56:36 PM
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Solais on April 23, 2011, 11:57:22 PM
Well, I dunno if it's too much a spoiler but,
the ending.
It came up in a different convo of mine, but I think it is a really Grey Ending, and can be interpreted in ways depending to the person. I myself think it's a Happy Ending, and it kinda shows that this series is not a Deconstruction like everyone believed, but a very interesting Reconstruction.
Also the fact of Madoka becoming an existence I always wished for to become... it seems not I'm the only one thinking on concepts like that. I mean, being an emotion, feeling everything, being with everyone... I just cannot think of another thing as the greater wish of a good hearted human. Maybe that is the original concept of a God. A sentient emotion.
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Post by: Tengukami on April 23, 2011, 11:57:34 PM
It was a beautiful 500 MPH tragedy. I loved it.
(And now what I said in the Talk thread:)
The wish that Madoka chose to make really surprised me. There was a scene in ep 11 where Madoka does muse out loud something to the effect of "if only you Incubators had never come to Earth", which I totally thought was a set up for a wish-with-a-twist. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad that she made the wish she did, if for no other reason than it wasn't the obvious one. The wish she went with does make more sense, though, because by her nature she'd want to protect as many people as possible; wishing for the Incubators not to come to Earth would cover Earth, but not other planets. Altenatively, you could wish Incubators never existed. But that wouldn't have led to the rending of the fabric of the universe , which was a real pleasure to watch.
Her being her pre-universe-warping-family's invisible pal made me think we'd have a soft landing happy end. Instead, no more witches - so demons then. Despair will always win - probably the least likely message I'd expect from a magical girl anime. This series was a really tight, fast-paced tragedy.
I think what came across to me was this is the bargain you make with life; there's a universal balance between joy and sorrow. Nothing you do, no efforts you make, will ever keep despair from coming. Our struggle - whether through philosophy, technology or just working on our personal lives - to keep unhappiness of one form away will result in unhappiness in a new form arising. The point is to keep fighting, though, and not to give up against despair.
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Post by: Solais on April 24, 2011, 12:03:56 AM
"Tragedy" in its purest, Greek roots, eh?
Also, the OST. WANT SO HARD!
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Post by: Sana on April 24, 2011, 12:07:50 AM
I thought it was pretty cool beans!
I think this is the first time I didn't have a favourite character though, which is odd. :S
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Post by: Jana on April 24, 2011, 12:10:55 AM
I like Mami's Mamis.
Seriously though, I don't think I have a favorite character either... But, like UK, the ending did keep me happy with my choice of Madoka cosplay, that being Madoka herself.
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Post by: Suikama on April 24, 2011, 12:24:55 AM
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Moerin on April 24, 2011, 12:28:52 AM
I... Thought I'd have something to say, but words seem to fail me when I try to describe that last episode. Suffice to say, it's probably the only thing that could rival the endgame of Magical Project S as my favourite moment in the magical girl genre. Hell, I was even tempted to replace the Star Sapphire Oath in my sig with those last lines, but then I thought it was maybe too soon and would be an obvious spoiler. >.>
But, um... Oh wow, that was a great series, no doubt~ I'll have to say that my favourite characters ended up being Homura and Madoka herself, as they really both embody the traits that I actually think of when I think "magical girl".
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Post by: communist unity (comm-unity) on April 24, 2011, 01:04:49 AM
Homura is fucking Archer.
You cannot be more badass than Homura. She is simply the best there is.
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Post by: Stuffman on April 24, 2011, 01:30:56 AM
I loved episode 11. Homura fighting the final boss, and even the big lead-up with Walpurgis coming to town, was just incredible.
They could've been lazy about it and just showed Homura getting owned in some lame fashion, but no! We got to see her put out her absolute best effort to take Walpurgis down solo; I think it was very good for her character. I like to imagine her going "FUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOU" mentally while launching all those rockets and mortars
:V
Also, her efforts weren't in vain; it was apparently her shenanigans that made Madoka important enough to pull off the hax that she did, which is nice.
Do we really have to spoiler everything in this thread? I would think you shouldn't be reading it if you haven't seen the last episode yet.
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Post by: Moerin on April 24, 2011, 01:40:50 AM
On the contrary, I'd say Homura is the Anti-Archer. Archer's ideals ended up crushing him and he descended into despair which led to him trying to kill Shirou so he didn't have to deal with it. Homura, on the other hand, stuck to her ideals to the very end, no matter how much it hurt her, as she tried to save the one person she truly cared about. The only real comparisons between them would be that they're both time travellers who really on trickery more than overwhelming power.
...At least, that's how I see it. >.>
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Kasu on April 24, 2011, 01:46:44 AM
I can't really say much that hasn't already been said except...
They made Joan of Arc a magical girl? :3
The ending was more or less perfect though. I don't think I could asked for a better one.
I loved episode 11. Homura fighting the final boss, and even the big lead-up with Walpurgis coming to town, was just incredible.
They could've been lazy about it and just showed Homura getting owned in some lame fashion, but no! We got to see her put out her absolute best effort to take Walpurgis down solo; I think it was very good for her character. I like to imagine her going "FUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOU" mentally while launching all those rockets and mortars
:V
That was pretty awesome. Especially the part where she was using the tower as a ramp for the bloody oil tanker. Also it seems that Sayaka was destined to die the whole time...
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Post by: atoms2ashes on April 24, 2011, 01:47:22 AM
Witches come from Magical Girls.
Where do Demons come from?
Magical Boys.
Madoka is secretly a feminist.
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Post by: Nine West on April 24, 2011, 01:49:18 AM
Ah, what a memorable experience~
After all the talk of bad ends, the ending was surprisingly mild. But no matter how it ends, I feel that it's an anime that people will love for what it is, and for the way it did end, I respect it. Though since the revelation of the time loop, I feel it somewhat softens the impact of the many deaths throughout the course of the story, knowing that they are barely final, but at the very least it did resolve.
Now, my favorite character is still Ms. Tomoe all the way, but special mentions go to Homura, who grew on me exponentially in the second half of the story, culminating as, who in my opinion is, the real star of the show, and Madoka, who was truly wonderful in her last few moments.
Also, is that Bach's Prelude No. 1 from The Well-Tempered Clavier backing Ave Maria, or is it just me? :V
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Post by: Wisp on April 24, 2011, 01:52:44 AM
Just finished ep11 and 12, it was mind-blowing. I would talk about it, but then I would be repeating what you guys have said. XD Also, I like Mami's mammies, too! http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Mami's_mammies
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Post by: Suikama on April 24, 2011, 02:04:19 AM
Just finished ep11 and 12, it was mind-blowing. I would talk about it, but then I would be repeating what you guys have said. XD Also, I like Mami's mammies, too! http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Mami's_mammies
Also, both Mami and Kyouko died from entirely witch-related origins. In the fifth timeline Mami didn't trust Homura due to her distant demeanor, and so she had no help fighting Charlotte. It's unknown whether or not Sayaka was with Mami at the time as well. However it's pretty easy to see that Charlotte was defeated easily once both Homura and Mami teamed up. Kyouko died because purely because of Sayaka turning witch. Originally, Kyouko arrived to the city without Mami, Homura wasn't a threat and Sayaka wanted to beat her up. Even if Sayaka was still cautious in the beginning, the presence of Homura and Mami would have easily integrated her into the team. Sayaka doesn't turn witch and so Kyouko doesn't die. Sayaka however, died completely due to her own recklessness and grief. Even if she didn't turn into a witch, the revelation that she wasted her wish and the likes pushed her over the edge and she recklessly used all of her energy to kill a demon (a la Kyouko). Because of this, the eradication of witches had nothing to do with her death, so she died. The other three kept going, which was demonstrated in the ending.
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Post by: lumber_of_the_beast on April 24, 2011, 02:17:59 AM
where's that "please let me squeeze your boobs" pic when I need it
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Post by: Tamer Anode/Cathode on April 24, 2011, 02:26:23 AM
This was one of the best series I've watched in a long time. The year's not even a third over, but the bar has been set pretty high; I don't think anything is going to top this for 2011. The visuals, the story, the character development, the buildup... it's all spectacularly done.
My only real complaint about the series WAS going to be about how they forgot about side characters like Junko and Kamijou, but that got resolved in the last few episodes. The only thing I'm really left hanging on is the meaning of the post-credits scene in the finale.
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Post by: Silent Harmony on April 24, 2011, 06:43:54 AM
So tired....
Watched episode 11 and 12 earlier today, and really enjoyed the ending.
I admit it was a lot milder than I thought; I was sure somehow, someway, Homura was going to die. Not complaining though, especially after she launched a freaking gas truck at Walpurgis Night.
I agree with the idea that the ending was saying that despair will always be there, no matter how hard to get rid of it. You just need to keep on fighting and never let it conquer you, like Madoka did in the end to her witch form. Being a magical girl still sucks to an extent and there are still risks (as Sayaka demonstrated). But you can't let that stop you. Whatever path we as humans choose to follow, we should do so with our heads up high and fighting spirit strong. Or something.
Speaking of Sayaka, I'm trying to understand Drake's post but I'm too tired to properly weave it all together. What I'm wondering though, beyond her death being non-witch related, is why did she appear to Madoka when she did? At "Mami's Apartment," only Mami and Kyoko were there (died as magic girls) but Sayaka didn't appear until later at Kyosuke's audition. She says she has no regrets about wishing for healing him and goes with Madoka, but still ends up being in the new world and dies again. That entire sequence just left me confused.
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on April 24, 2011, 07:24:07 AM
Very pleased with the series, it was a really good watch~
Very nice ending as well. A sunshine-and-rainbows ending would have been a bad choice, so seeing it done this way was good. A situation that is rather similar to that of other magical girl series, and yet it still has the dark parts that make Madoka Magica so special. The girls can still die, the demons still come from human emotions, Kyubey is still working only for his own peoples' benefit and needs to use the girls for that.
Homura vs. Walpurgis was one of the best scenes I have ever seen. The creativity with which she used her powers and surroundings was awesome.
It's also nice that despite the time-travel plot nothing that happened was ever useless. Everything that happened was necessary to lead to the final outcome, none of it existed without meaning.
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Post by: Drake on April 24, 2011, 07:58:38 AM
Speaking of Sayaka, I'm trying to understand Drake's post but I'm too tired to properly weave it all together. What I'm wondering though, beyond her death being non-witch related, is why did she appear to Madoka when she did? At "Mami's Apartment," only Mami and Kyoko were there (died as magic girls) but Sayaka didn't appear until later at Kyosuke's audition. She says she has no regrets about wishing for healing him and goes with Madoka, but still ends up being in the new world and dies again. That entire sequence just left me confused.
Both Mami's house and the theater were pre-rewrite, since everyone still remembers Madoka. Mami's house was more of a "at the crossroads" sort of dream-esque scene before Madoka transforms. Mami doesn't actually physically give Madoka back her book or anything, it's just a contemplation kind of thing. The theater was more of a "it's time to go" scene, and somewhat actually took place: it was about Madoka eliminating Sayaka turning into a witch. The instant in which Kamijou goes from auditioning to performing is the cue for the universe switch. The way I see it, Kamijou exclaimed "Sayaka?" because he was looking for her amidst the crowd. But she kind of died.
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Post by: Bias Bus on April 24, 2011, 10:31:17 AM
Very nice, I'd have to say. Course, those who were around me know I really only watched it because it wasn't like most of it's kind and was pretty dark...which is something I always love seeing.
I think this is the first time I didn't have a favourite character though, which is odd. :S
It's funny you say that, being I thought I didn't have a favorite character either...and then this happened.
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<Okashii> I notice you like hot blooded girls who kick ass and take names. :P <Sawaguchi_Iyo> Oh ho, caught me red handed. Yeah, it's a bit of a soft spot of mine. <Sawaguchi_Iyo> I like that in most female characters, it's a nice break from the typical ones we see. <Okashii> I assume Kyoko has to be one of your favorite girls in Magica then. :V <Sawaguchi_Iyo> Even though I didn't watch Magica for the characters, I'd have to say that I had a soft spot for her.
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Post by: Wisp on April 24, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
Mami got ahead in life, Sayaka needs a shrink, Kyouko's a fat kid, and Homura needs to get laid.
Badly. (http://youtu.be/C9L5M5rdh3E)
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Post by: Youkai of Tea on April 25, 2011, 12:48:48 AM
I'm a bit unsure how to react to the ending. It feels slightly cheap considering all Madoka did was chose her wish carefully but at the same time it seems like everything that happened in the last timeline was required to force Madoka to think her wish through really carefully before accepting.
Homura's battle against Walpurgis Night more than made up for that though.
:V
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Post by: Polttopallo on April 25, 2011, 12:58:35 AM
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on April 25, 2011, 01:33:03 AM
I still love the fact that
Walpurgis Nacht is the carnival from hell. And the theories that she might be HomuHomu's witch are actually plausible. Her being a Puella that can control time, Walpurgis might be a time paradox. A Homura from a timeline in which she became a witch from the grief that her time-traveling was all in vain, and all she did was give Madoka a greater amount of grief to carry.
Not to mention
the appearance of several famous female figures, like Anne Frank, Joan of Arc and Cleopatra as having been Puella Magi themselves.
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Post by: Fetch()tirade on April 25, 2011, 02:20:52 AM
On a less serious note, if
Joan of Arc
really was a
Puella Magi
and therefore later a
witch
, then the
English
really did have grounds to
burn her at the stake
. Just saying.
But really, the ending was fantastic. It provided the sort of (non-)closure that the show needed. Although there were still the problems of the energy of the universe and the negative emotions of people (which, if Madoka had wished away, would have easily been solved but would have completely missed the point of showing the struggles of the girls [I mean, what's the moral of a story where everything is solved with a wish?]), there was still hope in the world (the magical girls no longer became the enemy they hopelessly fought to destroy, unless they killed themselves) for the universe can still be saved. The part when
Madoka became the immortal embodiement of hope
is what really makes this show one of my favorites. That one moment was just phenomenal, hands down.
Plus
long-haired Madoka is sexy
. Once again, just saying.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Drake on April 25, 2011, 04:02:58 AM
I'm a bit unsure how to react to the ending. It feels slightly cheap considering all Madoka did was chose her wish carefully but at the same time it seems like everything that happened in the last timeline was required to force Madoka to think her wish through really carefully before accepting.
Although there were still the problems of the energy of the universe and the negative emotions of people (which, if Madoka had wished away, would have easily been solved but would have completely missed the point of showing the struggles of the girls [I mean, what's the moral of a story where everything is solved with a wish?]), there was still hope in the world (the magical girls no longer became the enemy they hopelessly fought to destroy, unless they killed themselves) for the universe can still be saved.
You're underthinking it. You missed the point that any given wish like that would have had unforeseen consequences. Even if Madoka could have gotten rid of all negative emotion, it essentially is the same thing as eliminating emotion altogether. Humanity would collapse. To destroy all sources of emotion would mean either destroying humanity itself, or leaving humanity as emotionless, which not only was obviously not an option, but it would also let the universe slip further into heat death. An easy wish like that would definitely have not have worked. Something like "i wish nobody in the world was ever sad!" is so idealistic and childish I don't even.
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Post by: Silent Harmony on April 25, 2011, 05:57:38 AM
I agree, Madoka's the kind of person who wanted to save everyone, not just magical girls. Getting rid of negative emotions, making it so that Incubators never visited the earth; those kind of wishes help stop girls dieing by becoming witches but can lead to so many other problems it isn't funny. No Incubators means we'd still be living in caves. No negative emotions would kill any sense of consequence (you wouldn't feel bad doing anything, even murder) and, as Drake pointed out, would do nothing to save the Universe from heat-death. Wishing for no witches was probably one of the best wishes she could've made under the circumstances, and was truely amazing considering she's supposed to be 14 years old!
Plus keep in mind as powerful as she was, she wasn't exactly all-powerful. This means something like "I wish no bad things happened ever!" would not only likely cause disaster, but would likely even fail to occur (she wouldn't have enough magical energy to support it).
Plus the moral of the story was not that you could wish away your problems; it was the opposite! The girls still struggle, the girls still fight, the girls still die. That's life; no matter what we do or how hard we try there will always be bad things coming into our lives. We have to stand back up and fight it until we die, and never let it overcome us. That's the message; never stop fighting, because you are never alone in your struggle.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on April 25, 2011, 02:55:34 PM
Still, didn't you all just love
the "FUUUU-" tone Kyuubey took when Madoka made her wish? He knew hiis precious system was screwed. Damn did it feel so good to see HIM be cornered for once.
So much for no emotions, eh? :3
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Post by: Kasu on April 25, 2011, 05:29:07 PM
the "FUUUU-" tone Kyuubey took when Madoka made her wish? He knew hiis precious system was screwed. Damn did it feel so good to see HIM be cornered for once.
So much for no emotions, eh? :3
I actually had to contain my laughter when that happened. :3
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Post by: Drake on April 25, 2011, 08:56:04 PM
Surprise comes with a being having expectations and those expectations being falsified. I'm not sure you could even consider that as emotion. He also was surprised at Homura being a time-traveller. I guess they could have had Kyubey nihil admirari, but that's no fun.
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Post by: Blargel on April 25, 2011, 09:37:23 PM
I'd just like to point out....
Grief seeds came from soul gems. Grief seeds purified soul gems, making it possible to delay turning into a witch. Soul gems now disappear instead of transforming into grief seeds. Have fun with your shortened life spans, magical girls.
Other than that, great show. I marathoned it this weekend at the urgings of multiple people.
EDIT: Also, someone needs to make a crossover image of the 2001: A Space Odyssey monolith and Kyubey because of what he explained in episode 9. :V
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on April 25, 2011, 09:46:08 PM
Allow me to point out that
The little blocks dropped by curses are what purify the girl's soul gems now, rather than grief seeds. The scene with Homura feeding these blocks to Kyuubey shows them purifying her soul gem.
So it's all fine and dandy. ...Well, kinda.
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Post by: Drake on April 25, 2011, 09:49:42 PM
Nope, Homura is shown simply using the cubes to siphon the grief from her Soul Gem. It's essentially the same process, but the cubes can evidently contain much less, and the cubes simply come from the demons (which spawn from human emotions) rather than from the Soul Gems. By comparison, there are many more demons than there were witches, however.
Also it's worth noting that without the whole WE WANT YOU TO SUFFER thing the Incubators had going on, Magical Girls and the Incubators seemingly work together now. Homura alludes to this by saying that "their relations weren't the best" in that universe (as opposed to this one).
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on April 25, 2011, 09:54:26 PM
See?
The fact that there are more demons than witches, and that they are far weaker than witches make the new system balance out. Sure, the girls must fight multiple enemies at the same time, but wasn't it the same when fighting familiars in a witch's maze? I think that other than the lesser energy and less purifying power, the system works out quite well.
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Post by: Moerin on April 25, 2011, 09:56:41 PM
If anything,
more, weaker enemies would lead to an increased lifespan for the Puella Magi, seeing how they weren't exactly long lived when the Witches were around and all.
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Post by: Drake on April 25, 2011, 09:58:44 PM
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Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on April 25, 2011, 09:59:58 PM
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Tengukami on April 26, 2011, 11:35:48 PM
I am starting to think more and more that Kyubey was indisputably evil -
even with the whole "inability to feel emotions" thing, he and his kind calculated how to gain the energy they needed for their comfortable living, knowingly spreading death and despair to do so - because when human beings behave the same way towards other human beings, we call such people evil. Sociopaths, while capable of emotion, are certainly incapable of compassion. Such people are quite accurately called "evil".
Having said that, Kyubey makes a very good point here (http://i54.tinypic.com/16m5aww.png). Humanity does in fact do this to itself. Our struggle for happiness can and does cause death and despair, and many comfortable things that we take for granted were (and, in many cases, are) made possible due to the pain of countless human beings. Are we "evil" for taking part in this struggle? Do we even have a choice?
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on April 26, 2011, 11:40:12 PM
Well, humanity does have to make sacrifices in order to advance. I guess that's what Kyuubey meant when
he said that humans would still be living in caves if it weren't for incubators and Puella Magi. If it weren't for those girls' sacrifices, then we would never have advanced at all. If anything, we would've disappeared.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Tengukami on April 26, 2011, 11:48:02 PM
I'm not sure I buy that, though. Kyubey's estimations have been wrong in the past. I think humanity would evolve, indisputably, for all the reasons we know of today. What I think Kyubey was trying to point out was that
although Kyubey's people enjoy a comfortable existence due to the magic girl/witch cycle of suffering in other world, the comfortable existences of people like Madoka - middle-class folks in industrialised countries - do enjoy an easy life due to the suffering of many, many others both within their society and elsewhere in the world.
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Post by: Seventh Holy Scripture on April 26, 2011, 11:50:14 PM
I am starting to think more and more that Kyubey was indisputably evil (ry
Who said it was
just so his kind could live comfortably? Someone (I've totally forgotten who or where, unfortunately, did a run-through of threads on this forum but didn't spot it) made an interesting postulation that the heat death of the universe could have been due long before humanity ever evolved; it's only because of the Incubators' prior efforts that we perceive it as a distant catastrophe and that we had a chance to exist at all. In that case, it seems quite just that our species pays for its own borrowed time. It would become a question of "is it better to live and suffer than to not live at all?", which I believe many people would answer "yes" to.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Tengukami on April 27, 2011, 12:15:54 AM
just so his kind could live comfortably? Someone (I've totally forgotten who or where, unfortunately, did a run-through of threads on this forum but didn't spot it) made an interesting postulation that the heat death of the universe could have been due long before humanity ever evolved; it's only because of the Incubators' prior efforts that we perceive it as a distant catastrophe and that we had a chance to exist at all. In that case, it seems quite just that our species pays for its own borrowed time. It would become a question of "is it better to live and suffer than to not live at all?", which I believe many people would answer "yes" to.
That's an interesting theory, and I'd be curious about what led him to think this. Because the way Kyubey tries to break it down,
he talks about "our energy recycling quota," how they've been able to harness the magic girl/witch cycle's energy for their use, but taking it to a grander scale than that, I hadn't considered, and makes me curious to hear more about this.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on April 27, 2011, 12:17:08 AM
Besides, Kyuubey practically told Madoka that to Incubators
Magical Girls are not much more than cattle with benefits to them.
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Post by: Seventh Holy Scripture on April 27, 2011, 12:23:20 AM
That's an interesting theory, and I'd be curious about what led him to think this.
Nothing in particular, as far as I know. It's just a way of playing devil's advocate, but as valid as any other interpretation. Personally, I think we don't know enough about what Kyubey was really after to fault him with anything besides poor communication skills.
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Post by: Tengukami on April 27, 2011, 12:41:03 AM
Nothing in particular, as far as I know. It's just a way of playing devil's advocate, but as valid as any other interpretation. Personally, I think we don't know enough about what Kyubey was really after to fault him with anything besides poor communication skills.
Devil's advocate or not, it's a neat theory. I think it's a testament to the story's strength that the reveals went just far enough, such as to the vagueness of Kyubey's background, like you point out.
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Post by: Iryan on April 29, 2011, 09:30:44 PM
Just watched the last two episodes.
WHOA!
This series just does so much right!
Especially
both time travel and wishes, stuff that are so very easy to screw up on. Not to mention the ending. Oh my god.
Very nice ending as well. A sunshine-and-rainbows ending would have been a bad choice, so seeing it done this way was good. A situation that is rather similar to that of other magical girl series, and yet it still has the dark parts that make Madoka Magica so special. The girls can still die, the demons still come from human emotions, Kyubey is still working only for his own peoples' benefit and needs to use the girls for that.
Homura vs. Walpurgis was one of the best scenes I have ever seen. The creativity with which she used her powers and surroundings was awesome.
It's also nice that despite the time-travel plot nothing that happened was ever useless. Everything that happened was necessary to lead to the final outcome, none of it existed without meaning.
All of this as well.
Homura is now one of my very favorite non-comedic characters in anything ever.
Magia is still a wicked sweet song.
Really, the only complaint I can think of is
the opening being a tremendous lie, excluding the lyrics, which, like the lyrics for magia, are actually alot more descriptive of the series than one would expect.
And that one being complaintworthy or actually another positive thing going for the series is still debatable.
I have watched very little anime actively. I do not regret this being one of them.
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Post by: Drake on April 29, 2011, 10:20:20 PM
The opening being a complete lie is done completely on purpose and I would completely laugh at whoever would actually complain about it. Completely.
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Post by: Moerin on April 29, 2011, 10:42:11 PM
Besides, it's not. Somewhat misleading perhaps, but if you pay attention it actually fits the tone a lot better than you'd think it would with just a casual glance. It's just like the opening to Evangelion, actually.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on April 29, 2011, 10:54:59 PM
The pink fluffiness is a lie. :V
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Post by: Iryan on April 29, 2011, 10:59:43 PM
Besides, it's not. Somewhat misleading perhaps, but if you pay attention it actually fits the tone a lot better than you'd think it would with just a casual glance. It's just like the opening to Evangelion, actually.
Well, I am not referring to the tone, but the actual sceneric content, what with the whacky hijinx for madoka which makes it look like it is card captor sakura. :V
But as I said, that is only if I desperately try to find something to criticize. :derp:
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Post by: Letty Whiterock on April 30, 2011, 01:07:55 AM
Besides, it's not. Somewhat misleading perhaps, but if you pay attention it actually fits the tone a lot better than you'd think it would with just a casual glance. It's just like the opening to Evangelion, actually.
The OP was designed by Urobuchi to have nothing to do with anything, and the staff actually laughed when he handed it in.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on April 30, 2011, 01:12:45 AM
The OP was designed by Urobuchi to have nothing to do with anything, and the staff actually laughed when he handed it in.
I'm not sure how involved Urobuchi actually was. He mentioned in an interview that he
never suggested the cat and was surprised when the storyboarders put it in the OP (then proceeded to write the cat into the first drama CD to make it not a complete red herring.)
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on April 30, 2011, 07:24:10 AM
Now that I understand the full ramifications of the "deconstruction" bit, I think I just might be able to get into Madoka. From a distance, though, I don't think I could actually watch it.
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Post by: Tengukami on April 30, 2011, 12:03:09 PM
To be honest, I would scroll past the OP every time. I just thought it was a wholly forgettable, generic anime opening.
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Post by: lumber_of_the_beast on April 30, 2011, 04:26:01 PM
So, I think I'm actually going to get around to watching it now.
Which fansub group do you guys like? I was gonna go with yesy, but they've yet to release subs of episodes 11 and 12, so... :V
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Post by: Tengukami on April 30, 2011, 04:41:27 PM
I went with Chihiro and gg myself.
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Post by: JT on April 30, 2011, 04:49:10 PM
I actually just started downloading the first few episodes of this. I never really paid any attention to it while it was airing. I figured it was just some generic pedo magical girl thing like Nanoha, but one of my friends was like "NO SERIOUSLY BRO DUDE IT'S COOL WATCH IT SERIOUSLY BRO IT'S GOOD" and now I've finally caved. So... I guess we'll see what happens.
OK, so I just watched the first 3 episodes. Here's how it went:
"Am I really about to sit here and watch a fucking magical girl show? [Friend] is probably trolling the shit out of me." (OP starts up) "baaaarrrf"
3 episodes later:
"MAMI'S DEAD??? BUT SHE WAS MY FAVORITE! ALL SHE WANTED WAS A FRIEND. OH GOD WHY ;__; "
So yeah, my preconceived notions about this show were pretty wrong. If my friend WAS trolling me, then the joke's on him because I'm actually enjoying it. I especially like the trippy witch barrier sequences.
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Post by: Tengukami on April 30, 2011, 04:52:03 PM
I was totally the same way. I watched the first episode and was like, "Pfft, dropped. Right after I get some insulin." But then after much convincing, I marathoned the series and was completely turned around.
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Post by: lumber_of_the_beast on April 30, 2011, 05:41:09 PM
"...What the hell are you watching?" "Oh this? It's a cartoon for psychotic pedophiles. Want to watch it with me?" "OK."
So yeah, just finished this last night. Some impressions:
Faust much? I was also getting a pretty strong Lovecraftian vibe, though I guess that makes sense given who wrote it (http://download.minitokyo.net/Deus.Machina.Demonbane.248616.jpg). And trite as it might sound, Madoka herself strikes me as kind of a Christ figure. I guess. I don't know, I could probably bullshit an essay about it.
Anne Frank was a Magical Girl? Wat? What did she wish for? Was her overall impact on the fate of the human race really that huge? Her powers must have sucked.
Mami is supposed to be like 13, but I find her irresistibly hot, so fuck me I guess. It's no fair dude! How am I supposed to feel when every artist everywhere draws her as a voluptuous adult woman? And I mean, seriously, a corset and thigh highs on a fucking middle schooler? Really? Knock that shit off, Japan. Oh well, I (http://www.gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1122766) guess (http://img4.gelbooru.com//images/945/1c55ea93430f66ec911ec570dc9b84d8.jpg?1145059) I'm (http://www.gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1135572) a (http://img4.gelbooru.com//images/921/bcb07f17fbe7323adbb5344ce5998ff8.jpg?1121380) pedophile (http://www.gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1122771) now. (http://img4.gelbooru.com//images/938/ab5c17df15c2e07451bd19c7183e45ce.jpg?1137766)
Kyubey is an evil little prick, and the true antagonist of the story. I don't really understand how people can see any kind of moral ambiguity in his character. Yeah, he's not an egotistical maniac, and he offers justification for his actions, but his sociopathic indifference to the girls' suffering makes him just as cruel and fucked up as any other villain. His analogy about cattle is fallacious because cows aren't self-aware, we try to minimize their suffering rather than amplify it, and they're killed swiftly, mercifully, and late into their lifespans (at least compared to Magical Girls). He says that his people feel no emotion, but they must feel something, because why else would they care about preserving themselves? He says that he has no concept of deceit and repeatedly blames the girls for everything, yet he willfully withheld information from them because he knew it would influence their decisions. We also have no reason to believe that he wasn't mistaken or outright lying about the Incubators' influence on human progress -- it's not as if he has no motivation for doing so. That little fucker.
Actually, is it just me, or is Kyubey basically the Anti-Spiral? Only the protagonists just kind of reluctantly go along for the ride with him instead of just being like "FUCK YEAH WE'RE GONNA KICK YOUR ASS SUCKA"
Overall, this show was one of the most bizarre, depressing works of fiction I've experienced in a long time. This show bummed me out more than The Road. Really! Because while both Madoka and The Road are ultimately about keeping hope alive even when everything goes to absolute shit, Madoka's ending didn't really convince me. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear that Urobuchi had to really strain himself to come up with one where everyone doesn't die horrible meaningless deaths. He even wrote in the afterword to volume 1 of Fate/zero about how he kinda sucks at that.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on May 01, 2011, 05:17:51 PM
About Anne Frank being a Puella, remember that she was still in hiding when D-Day happened. Her wish may have been granted with the coming of the allies into Nazi territory. It's not her fault that she and her family were discovered shortly afterwards.
Besides, her power might not have been great enough to wish for an end to such a large-scale war.
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Post by: Moerin on May 01, 2011, 05:27:55 PM
Actually, is it just me, or is Kyubey basically the Anti-Spiral? Only the protagonists just kind of reluctantly go along for the ride with him instead of just being like "FUCK YEAH WE'RE GONNA KICK YOUR ASS SUCKA"
Oh thank god I'm not the only one who sees it. From the moment
he first revealed what the Incubators were doing
I thought the two were basically the same thing.
...Also Mami is older than Madoka, and Madoka is apparently 14, so... Probably doesn't make it that much better, but still. >.>
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Post by: Jana on May 01, 2011, 05:46:41 PM
I think you told it to me best, JT.
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If I drew a picture of a hot anime girl and told you she was a chicken, does that mean you're into chickens?
Don't worry about finding characters attractive for whatever reason. I like Mami a lot too.
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Post by: JT on May 01, 2011, 06:27:30 PM
Thanks. I know, I just like to kid. :derp:
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Post by: Iryan on May 01, 2011, 06:35:24 PM
Throughout the series, there lie, scattered in the backgrounds as writings on paper or graffity on walls, pieces of German text. They are excerpts from Goethe's Faust.
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Kyubey is an evil little prick, and the true antagonist of the story. I don't really understand how people can see any kind of moral ambiguity in his character.
For one, if he cannot experience emotions, he cannot understand the suffering the girls go through and thus would not see it as anything too bad. Also, heat death of the universe would be pretty bad for anyone, so preventing that is, on the cosmic scale, a good thing. He is the villain, but he is not evil, no matter how much I want to punch the little fucker.
:V
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I guess I'm a pedophile now.
I do not think you know what that word means. :derp: Since you are attracted to her because of the things about her that are not childlike, your statement is the opposite of true. :]
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on May 01, 2011, 06:38:14 PM
Anyone notice that
The first girl Madoka saves is Orinko, from the prequel manga Orinko Magica?
:V
Read about it in some other forum. :derp:
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Post by: JT on May 01, 2011, 07:01:15 PM
For one, if he cannot experience emotions, he cannot understand the suffering the girls go through and thus would not see it as anything too bad. Also, heat death of the universe would be pretty bad for anyone, so preventing that is, on the cosmic scale, a good thing. He is the villain, but he is not evil, no matter how much I want to punch the little fucker.
:V
It's like I said, though. He must have some concept of fear and suffering, because he resists death. Besides, by that logic, couldn't we just as easily say Jame Gumb isn't evil, since he's a psychopath who doesn't think of his victims as people?
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Post by: Jana on May 01, 2011, 07:12:15 PM
Animals can feel pain and pleasure and know to avoid death, but I wouldn't say that they're capable of real emotions the way humans are. I definitely see your point though.
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Post by: Iryan on May 01, 2011, 07:17:21 PM
It's like I said, though. He must have some concept of fear and suffering, because he resists death. Besides, by that logic, couldn't we just as easily say Jame Gumb isn't evil, since he's a psychopath who doesn't think of his victims as people?
We can get into a semantic argument about the precise definition of "evil", but I don't think this is what you intend.
Besides, the main point still stands. It is one of the classic moral dilemmas.
Suffering of the few innocent vs death for the masses.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: JT on May 01, 2011, 08:01:44 PM
We can get into a semantic argument about the precise definition of "evil", but I don't think this is what you intend.
Semantic? All I'm suggesting is that a lack of a capacity for guilt doesn't necessarily absolve someone of accountability for their actions. I don't really see where semantics comes into that.
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Besides, the main point still stands. It is one of the classic moral dilemmas.
Suffering of the few innocent vs death for the masses.
Even then, though, I can't sympathize with his actions because it's a false dichotomy.
Is the threat of heat death really so imminent that they must resort to such an inhumane solution immediately? Why not wait and search for an alternative? We know for a fact that there's a shitzillion years left until energy really starts getting scarce. What's the big rush?
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Post by: Iryan on May 01, 2011, 08:19:56 PM
Semantic? All I'm suggesting is that a lack of a capacity for guilt doesn't necessarily absolve someone of accountability for their actions. I don't really see where semantics comes into that.
Is it "evil" if you do something that you perceive as good even if it is bad? If you think you save somebodie's life but instead you kill somebody, was that act evil? And it is not the lack for a capability of guilt, it is the lack for a capability to see what is wrong with your action.
Considering how far his mind seems to be distant from that of a human, if he were a human, he actually would not be legally accountable for those actions. He would be locked up in a mental institution, not a prison.
You do not see how it is semantics? Whether or not
Kyuubey is "evil" is nothing but semantics, because it hinges completely on the precise definition of evil.
Some definitions would fit, some would not.
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Even then, though, I can't sympathize with his actions because it's a false dichotomy.
Is the threat of heat death really so imminent that they must resort to such an inhumane solution immediately? Why not wait and search for an alternative? We know for a fact that there's a shitzillion years left until energy really starts getting scarce. What's the big rush?
He supposedly knows alot more than we know, and the perceived distance of the event might be because of his actions in the first place. Not to mention that how close real life science applies to the setting of the anime is questionable, considering
kyuubey's not really scientific explanation of entropy in the first place
as well as, you know, the existence of magic. :derp:
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Post by: Drake on May 01, 2011, 09:58:56 PM
Is it "evil" if you do something that you perceive as good even if it is bad? If you think you save somebodie's life but instead you kill somebody, was that act evil? And it is not the lack for a capability of guilt, it is the lack for a capability to see what is wrong with your action.
I would argue that those two are precisely one and the same. Like I said, Jame Gumb thinks of his victims as objects. He doesn't perceive the suffering he inflicts on them. He just wants to become a woman, and doesn't see what's wrong with what he is doing. Would you say he isn't evil?
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Considering how far his mind seems to be distant from that of a human, if he were a human, he actually would not be legally accountable for those actions. He would be locked up in a mental institution, not a prison.
How do you figure? He seems perfectly capable of rational thought. He clearly understands that the contracts result in an outcome that the girls don't want. He effectively tortures and kills them, yet feels nothing. Most (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Sam#Berkowitz.27s_life_in_prison) actual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer#Imprisonment_and_death) people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy#Death_row_and_execution) who meet that description in real life end up in prison or on the gallows.
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You do not see how it is semantics? Whether or not
Kyuubey is "evil" is nothing but semantics, because it hinges completely on the precise definition of evil.
Some definitions would fit, some would not.
Doesn't that kind of go without saying in any discussion of good and evil? You're the one who challenged my assertion in the first place, bub.
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He supposedly knows alot more than we know, and the perceived distance of the event might be because of his actions in the first place. Not to mention that how close real life science applies to the setting of the anime is questionable, considering
kyuubey's not really scientific explanation of entropy in the first place
as well as, you know, the existence of magic. :derp:
Point. :derp: But this idea that he's already been preventing it this whole time, or he knows something we don't that justifies what he's doing is a little too speculative for me to stomach. As far as we know, there's no legitimate reason why he can't hold off for a while and look for some other solution. The burden is on the author to explain something like that, which he didn't.
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Post by: PX on May 02, 2011, 05:05:43 AM
It is answered that this is simply the most effective and efficient method they have found.
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Post by: Affinity on May 02, 2011, 06:49:48 AM
If QB already has a solution that has worked for pretty much the entirety of human history, then why is there a need to find something else? "Humanity" doesn't mean much to QB just as lower life-forms don't mean much to us; if we had a way to kill monkeys in order to stave off global warming, chances are that we would do it; no matter how inhumane; I think this applies to QB's race as well. Also, for QB's race to be concerned about the heat death of the universe, they must have solved pretty much all problems concerning their race already to care, so why shouldn't they work towards a solution to their one remaining problem early and utilize the one available option that does not have any cost to them? Since this is so implicit, I doubt the author actually has the responsibility to 'explain' why QB's race are doing what they are doing, as you say.
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Post by: Tengukami on May 02, 2011, 01:41:55 PM
If QB already has a solution that has worked for pretty much the entirety of human history, then why is there a need to find something else? "Humanity" doesn't mean much to QB just as lower life-forms don't mean much to us; if we had a way to kill monkeys in order to stave off global warming, chances are that we would do it; no matter how inhumane; I think this applies to QB's race as well.
I think the point of that is that humanity can be and is just as cruel and lacking in empathy.
Also, I would love to see the "he doesn't feel emotions or sympathy and therefore isn't evil" used as the defense of a serial killer. I'm sure that'd fly amazingly well.
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Post by: Nobu on May 03, 2011, 10:19:59 AM
I'm in the middle of marathoning. Eps 1-9 completed, three more episodes to go. So much for sleeping tonight. @_@
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on May 03, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
It's kinda like any popular thing, like Gurren Lagann, Homestuck, or Umineko. You hear chatter about it so much from people you come in contact with depending on what channels you frequent, and eventually it gets really annoying when you have no idea what people are talking about. And if it's something you actually want to watch, it gets to be a pain avoiding spoilers X_o
I had been planning on starting the series for some time though, but I didn't want to start anything until I was done with school. Finally broke down and watched it last night. All of it.
I had Madoka themed dreams. She saved us when two of our member's soul gems got depleted :]
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Post by: Suikama on May 03, 2011, 05:36:45 PM
...which two? :V
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on May 03, 2011, 05:36:55 PM
It's kinda like any popular thing, like Gurren Lagann, Homestuck, or Umineko. You hear chatter about it so much from people you come in contact with depending on what channels you frequent, and eventually it gets really annoying when you have no idea what people are talking about. And if it's something you actually want to watch, it gets to be a pain avoiding spoilers X_o
I'm not sure. I think the dead ones were Kyoko and Sayaka. I'm not sure if I was Homura, Madoka, just wearing Madoka's costume, or something else entirely. But I was wielding the bat that Maki transfigures for Sayaka in one of the earlier eps, I remember that..
It was weird too. It was me and another person, and Kyoko and Sayaka's gems were on the ground and blackened. Then a geyser opened up nearby, and purified the gems. Then I had to finish an incantation and hold my bat over Kyoko's gem to revive her, but I forgot her name so I sorta mumbled through the incantation. :V
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Post by: communist unity (comm-unity) on May 03, 2011, 07:41:05 PM
I'm not sure. I think the dead ones were Kyoko and Sayaka. I'm not sure if I was Homura, Madoka, just wearing Madoka's costume, or something else entirely. But I was wielding the bat that Maki transfigures for Sayaka in one of the earlier eps, I remember that..
It was weird too. It was me and another person, and Kyoko and Sayaka's gems were on the ground and blackened. Then a geyser opened up nearby, and purified the gems. Then I had to finish an incantation and hold my bat over Kyoko's gem to revive her, but I forgot her name so I sorta mumbled through the incantation. :V
I only got the dream that involved getting killed by zombies tonight :derp:
dream topic go
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Post by: Drake on May 03, 2011, 08:39:38 PM
I dreamed I was dreaming about a dream where I dreamed about Madoka.
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Post by: Suikama on May 03, 2011, 08:42:07 PM
Just so you know, QB looks awesome when you have Rock Solid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wIXEtmQcCM) playing in your headphones.
Also, really got a Nyx-ish vibe during the Walpurgisnacht fight. Good shit all around though, ending made me think there would be a sequel but...meh, I'm fine with how things turned out none the less.
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Post by: Nobu on May 04, 2011, 09:43:51 PM
I just listened to the first audio drama cd, and I found out a couple things.
1. My Japanese is MUCH better than I thought, I could probably make a transcript if I spent some time on it. 2.
Madoka's wish in the first timeline where Homura is originally from was to save a kitty named Amy.
The drama basically covers the beginning of the 10th episode to the beginning of the first Walpurugis Night. Some parts are straight from the anime, but other parts are elaborated upon much more, like
conversations between Madoka and Homura after they first meet, and a scene where Madoka uses magic on Homura during PE to make her perform better, but it goes out of control to where Mami has to bail her out. She gets depressed after and gets preyed upon by a Witch, and then she gets saved like in the anime. Afterwards Madoka talk about why she became a magical girl and how she was the same as Homura, telling her to think about it carefully and decide her future for herself.
If the drama was already brought up earlier in the thread, sorry :derp:
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Post by: Drake on May 04, 2011, 10:15:53 PM
<Madoka> Think about your decision carefully, don't go throwing your life away! Make sure you wish for something you'd be willing to risk your life for, to spend the rest of your life fighting to protect it! <Homura> So what did you wish for?
<Madoka> i saved a kitty
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on May 04, 2011, 10:44:47 PM
...Nice fucking going, Madoka.
But at least the kitty got saved. Maybe it's the same one in the OP?
Also
I'm starting to wonder...the girls that Madoka saved might have somehow fused together and formed the Walpurgisnacht. After all, Walpurgis Night is the gathering of witches. The green-haired girl must be the anchor for the fusion, given how her magic got depleted right in the middle of a circle of Maypoles, which signal to Walpurgisnacht's carnival of hell theme. The other girls must have had their magic depleted at the same time. Such an event must have been so rare, and happened in such a synchronized way that it somehow their corrupted souls resonated and later fused, thus forming Walpurgisnacht.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Nobu on May 04, 2011, 11:03:17 PM
Connecting maypoles and carnivals is kind of a stretch. Walpurgis might be the result of a fusion of a number of witches, but I don't think the specific girls they showed were special beyond just being other Puella Magi.
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Post by: Nobu on May 04, 2011, 11:06:39 PM
@Drake: Madoka was still very much under the mindset of "I just want to be a Puella Magi so I can save and help people, and be good at something." Basically a throwaway wish.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on May 04, 2011, 11:21:58 PM
Connecting maypoles and carnivals is kind of a stretch. Walpurgis might be the result of a fusion of a number of witches, but I don't think the specific girls they showed were special beyond just being other Puella Magi.
Actually, if you look closely enough, Walpurgis's familiars look exactly like those magical girls Madoka saved.
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Post by: Nobu on May 05, 2011, 12:11:21 AM
Oh, huh. I'll have to look closer next time. Though those 'familiars' don't appear until after
Walpurgis disappates, right? It could just be the separate witches from all the vignettes being wiped away/purified. Which makes more since Walpurgis Night is the "night of witches".
One other thing to note about the drama I caught on the second listening:
the cat that Madoka wished to save was hit by a car right in front of her eyes. I'm guessing Kyubey was there to take advantage of the opportunity.
Also, they elaborated more on the events leading up to Mami dying. They never told Homura about the details of Walpurgis Night, and Madoka made mention to stay inside on the day a big storm comes. Homura puts two and two together when she notices a big storm and that Madoka didn't attend school that day, searches online for the meaning of Walpurgis Night and realizes that they were going on a likely suicide mission, and goes out to search for them. She finds the cat roaming, and it leads her to them.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on May 05, 2011, 12:18:03 AM
Best.Damn.Cat.Ever.
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Post by: Letty Whiterock on May 05, 2011, 12:38:43 AM
Oh, huh. I'll have to look closer next time. Though those 'familiars' don't appear until after
Walpurgis disappates, right? It could just be the separate witches from all the vignettes being wiped away/purified. Which makes more since Walpurgis Night is the "night of witches".
Actually,
they DO appear during the battle. They're those dark blue, cosmical-ish cut-out familiars that Homura fights. By cut-out, I mean that they're kinda similar to Oktavia's Klarissas, being nothing but a sillouhette.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Drake on May 05, 2011, 01:42:22 AM
It's reeeeeally a stretch to say they're all the same as who contributed to Walpurgis. The way I see it, Madoka's first shot was only for magical girls in the present time.
First has long zigzag-finish sleeves and random circle things on her head. Second looks like a giant afro with a crown, also has a scepter. Third has an antenna of sorts, four hair loops and wings. Fourth has wing-like sidetails on her head. Fifth is apparently Miku. Sixth looks like her crotch is a giant bird's nest.
i'd like to know how you can tell these are the same girls
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on May 05, 2011, 02:51:05 AM
There's a picture of the familiars in the Puella Magi wiki. If you look closely, each one of them has a resemblance to the Puella Madoka saved.
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Post by: Drake on May 05, 2011, 03:34:20 AM
Thanks for telling me there's a subarticle about them; even though I still think they bear little to no resemblance to the magical girls saved, it points out that they are similar to the characters in the Universe PV by Gekidan Inu Curry. And that I fully support, some are nearly exactly the same, and others seem to just be meshes of two.
EDIT: why are you taking everything you're posting from the speculation section
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Post by: lumber_of_the_beast on May 05, 2011, 10:53:35 AM
...Man. Now I kinda wanna run a Magical Burst PbP.
(For those not in the know: Magical Burst is a rules-lite RPG under development by the guy who translated the Maid RPG into English. It is very much inspired by Puella Magi Madoka Magica, among others.)
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Post by: Moerin on May 05, 2011, 03:23:14 PM
...Man. Now I kinda wanna run a Magical Burst PbP.
...So I'm not the only one? I've been trying to figure out a good campaign idea for it, but I'm not sure if I could get it to work out, ahah... >.> Or if there'd be any real interest. I might have to rethink this.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on May 05, 2011, 05:58:44 PM
It is exactly the one from the OP. The OP was one big joke, and because it was there, they decided to use it.
Did they actually decide to use the cat in the radio drama because it was in the OP, or did they have the story for Madoka already written and put the cat in the OP as a result?
The radio drama really feels like something they had planned from the start, but couldn't fit into the timeframe of 12 episodes. Since all the vocals from the first part of the 10th episode are in the radio drama verbatim, with a lot of things filled in. Still significant to the story, but also one of the first places I think they'd cut down.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Drake on May 05, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
Urobochi said that the cat in the OP had nothing to do with anything so they wrote it into the drama. Looks like they did a good job if you can't tell.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on May 05, 2011, 06:41:38 PM
Indeed they did. Turning into a Puella to save the cat, although stupid, was actually a very Madoka thing to do.
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Post by: lumber_of_the_beast on May 05, 2011, 11:11:45 PM
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Drake on May 06, 2011, 09:34:35 PM
It was more of that he mentioned Clannad was in his top ten and above Madoka than Madoka being in his top ten.
buuuuuut yeah
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Wisp on May 08, 2011, 04:42:52 PM
A friend of mine hates Mami because he thinks she has bad trigger discipline and treats her firearms like crap.
What do you guys think? Do you think Mami should treat her firearms better?
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Post by: triangles on May 08, 2011, 04:47:04 PM
I think that's the least of her worries, what with UNLIMITED MUSKET WORKS and that whole looming risk of sudden death and all.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Tamer Anode/Cathode on May 08, 2011, 04:58:37 PM
She's likely in junior high at the latest and lives in a country where firearms are heavily restricted. I don't think it's reasonable to expect her to be an expert on the subject.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on May 08, 2011, 05:04:00 PM
If you could conjure infinite firearms out of your skirt, you would treat them with alot less respect, too.
What's next? People saying the show sucks because Sakaya doesn't know how to fence properly? :trollface:
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: UncertainJakutten on May 08, 2011, 05:17:17 PM
Oh no, Sayaka fenced awesome. But did you SEE Madoka's TERRIBLE Archery form? I mean, god, she'll break her shoulder after two shots >=[!
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Drake on May 08, 2011, 07:17:01 PM
To be fair it can be assumed that those were the only two shots she's fired in her whole life.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: communist unity (comm-unity) on May 09, 2011, 05:18:14 AM
Homura learned how to fire a gun in only one month!
:comedycentral:
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Tengukami on May 10, 2011, 12:43:59 AM
Meanwhile, (http://i52.tinypic.com/152nuki.jpg)
SPOILER ALERT
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on May 10, 2011, 12:47:21 AM
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Suikama on May 10, 2011, 07:29:50 PM
So I finally actually started watching this, which is an interesting experience since even though I've spoiled pretty much everything, it's one of those shows where things have a different meaning the second time you watch it, and I'm experiencing that right now even though I have not watched it before :V
Oh man Mami :* Also that ending, so innocent and yet so horribly wicked :QB:
Homura ;____________________;
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Post by: Nobu on May 10, 2011, 08:46:17 PM
I seem to be one of the weird ones that likes QB, doesn't care for Mami that much compared to the other characters, and loves Kyoko.
Kyubey singing Dragonball songs is the best. Especially since DB is about fulfilling wishes as well, after all.
SHENLONG IS AN INCUBATOR! THAT'S WHY THERE ARE ALWAYS NEW ENEMIES! EVERYTIME GOKU DIES THE INCUBATORS GET MASSIVE ENERGY!
:getdown:
And instead of witches, the negative energy turns into evil dragons. In fact, the Dragon Balls themselves are the DB universe's equivalant to Puella Magi.
Also, this is totally canon and anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Totally. 8)
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Post by: PX on May 13, 2011, 02:25:11 AM
After watching Konata singing it, I guess Kagamiin got fed up and decided to sing DBZ too. Btw, the Rurouni Kenshin OP was so vaguely familiar that I looked it up and youtube and brought back memories. Man, I miss Toonami.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Alice★f on May 13, 2011, 05:25:30 AM
I started the show just yesterday. I managed to avoid all spoilers so far.
I have also quickly become a fan and made a new avatar. ^_~ I think I'm going to have a lot of fun!
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Suikama on May 13, 2011, 03:11:10 PM
Well now I know where Shinbo got inspiration fromhis artist for Madoka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM-LYsQw5pE)
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Post by: Drake on May 13, 2011, 07:21:05 PM
You know that's animated by Gekidan Inu Curry, the same duo who animated the witchtrips? :V
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Post by: Iryan on May 13, 2011, 07:22:21 PM
Not just any booru, but Gelbooru. Hope everyone has Ad-block. Seriously, don't link that crap here. There's Danbooru. There's Safebooru. There's literally anything but Gelbooru. Hows about you use those instead?
THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU, BY THE WAY. IF YOU SEE A LINK TO GELBOORU FROM HERE ON, REPORT IT.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on May 21, 2011, 03:20:30 AM
Honestly, I really had no idea there was much of a difference between danbooru and gelbooru. It was a stupid mistake and it won't happen again.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: CS on May 21, 2011, 11:05:08 AM
I just finished watching Madoka a while ago.
Am I the only one who thinks Mami's death was not as bad as I thought before watching the series?
And oh, QB is just so adorable.
So cute and loveable, yet so heartless and evil. The fact that he cannot die just makes him that much more awesome...
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on May 21, 2011, 11:15:58 AM
2.) Anyone who clicks on this topic, and reads it enough to be potentially spoiled, would have at least some interest in the series.
3.) This interest includes watching the fucking series before reading other people discussing about it.
Seriously? It's been about a month since the series ended. Episode 3 aired on 21 January. There's a statutory period on this kind of thing. Do people still spoiler that Darth Vader is Luke's father?
This. This. A thousand times this.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: CS on May 22, 2011, 04:17:49 AM
Well, there MAY be a chance of some random person wandering in here, who happens to be interested in the series but hasn't seen it yet and wants to see what other people think about it first so they know whether or not they should follow the series, so I guess it should be kinda appropriate to spoiler it sometimes anyway.
GASP! Vader is Luke's father!?!?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Seventh Holy Scripture on May 22, 2011, 05:22:44 PM
Since there are too many spoilerific elements to safely talk about Madoka Magica in a general thread, it's been said that this series deserves its own discussion thread. So, here ya go.
Considering the OP post, I don't think we need to spoiler tag stuff either. (Also, one of the reasons we shut down the season megathreads is because it's too easy to inadvertently spoil when you're discussing 10 anime in 1 thread. Consequently, we ought to be less paranoid.)
If it makes anyone more comfortable, I'll edit the topic title and add a warning. Or maybe post a sticky.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: lumber_of_the_beast on May 25, 2011, 05:11:30 AM
I think that, despite the long hair and the purple color scheme, there would have been a much more obvious choice for the position of Homura than Patchy. :derp:
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: PX on May 26, 2011, 01:15:37 AM
I believe this is where you should be raping the replay button (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwnWMlxlMUw)
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Post by: Tamashii Kanjou on May 26, 2011, 02:16:29 AM
Suffice to say it is exactly what I am doing; even if I should be in bed. Damn it all; Mami is awesome and her theme, damn her theme! <333
Also, I'm sure I won't be the only one buying this soundtrack.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Bio on May 26, 2011, 07:27:39 AM
I believe this is where you should be raping the replay button (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwnWMlxlMUw)
Yes.
Omigod, YES. :*
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Omba on May 26, 2011, 01:03:18 PM
I just watched the last episode after putting it off for quite a while. And... damn, that was horrible. It wasn't bad, really. Rather, it was a fitting end to the series. But fuck was it ever disgusting. I'm glad there's already some doujin endings that feel way better than the canon one.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Bio on May 27, 2011, 08:39:34 AM
Yeah, the soundtrack is preeetty good. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUkhxPBPv9w&feature=feedlik)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Tengukami on May 27, 2011, 09:29:19 AM
Yeah, the soundtrack is preeetty good. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUkhxPBPv9w&feature=feedlik)
Not bad. But I think this is probably the best remix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZneQCCnESU) I've heard of Magia. Love how they use the church bell in this especially.
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Post by: Serela on May 29, 2011, 12:59:42 AM
I was wondering what to do for the second half of my saturday
so I marathoned madoka
the part of episode 10 where
Madoka had Homura shoot her Soul Gem
made me cry ;_;
idk if we're still spoilering stuff in this thread but it doesn't hurt so
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Letty Whiterock on May 29, 2011, 07:20:23 PM
Well, there MAY be a chance of some random person wandering in here, who happens to be interested in the series but hasn't seen it yet and wants to see what other people think about it first so they know whether or not they should follow the series, so I guess it should be kinda appropriate to spoiler it sometimes anyway.
GASP! Vader is Luke's father!?!?
Considering this is one of the internet anime community's biggest hot topics right now, getting high ratings, recommendations across the board, and tons of exposure, I really don't have much sympathy for anyone who comes in here expecting spoiler tags on a series that's months old. I know people who haven't seen Cowboy Bebop. Should we probate anyone who says that Spike dies at the end?
Edit: Yeah, that post was a week old. I don't read dates, but my point stands~
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Post by: Prody on May 30, 2011, 03:27:21 AM
Shimo (guy who made the nico medleys) arranges Connect (OP) (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14586209)
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Post by: PX on May 30, 2011, 05:23:18 AM
Youtube link for those who don't know how to operate nico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0_yuyVyPM)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on June 02, 2011, 08:44:47 PM
I just had a terrible amv idea.
Scenes form the Charlotte battle set to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L78yVFeyvRo&t=3m26s).
.
:flamingv:
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on June 02, 2011, 08:48:51 PM
You can't deny it now. It's official. All of Kyuubey's species is evil.
From what I gather,
Kyuube is like Anonymous from 4chan. They are a hivemind and legion, and have no sense of morality. So it's ambiguous whether Kyuube qualifies as a species, as it's like Touko from Kara no Kyoukai in that it can just replace itself with more bodies.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: lumber_of_the_beast on June 03, 2011, 11:39:51 AM
Kyuube is like Anonymous from 4chan. They are a hivemind and legion, and have no sense of morality. So it's ambiguous whether Kyuube qualifies as a species, as it's like Touko from Kara no Kyoukai in that it can just replace itself with more bodies.
Well, I was kinda referring to
Juubey's menacing behavior towards the girls when they weren't looking, and the way the subliminal Kyuubey tricked that girl after she was saved from her friend's witch by the Pleiades Saints. Poor thing had no idea that they were doing her friend Yuuri a favor by ending her misery.[/url]
Furthermore,
Juubey's emotional behavior even though he's an incubator proves that Kyuubey's "our species is incapable of emotion" was a blatant lie, and he was putting up an act throughout the entire anime. Either that or Kyuubey really IS an emotionless bastard.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Moerin on June 03, 2011, 04:59:31 PM
Kyuubey says that
emotion is seen as a psychological disorder amongst the Incubators.
Put two and two together, and...
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on June 03, 2011, 05:01:31 PM
Juubey's a nutcase?
... :3
Yandere Incubator.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Stuffman on June 03, 2011, 09:18:21 PM
To be honest I think the manga is pretty bad...
You'll notice they haven't given any of the girls besides Kazumi any personal development, they've all just been introduced in groups going "hi we're magical girls". Basically everyone looks completely expendable right now, and that's terrible.
In comparison to the anime, there's a lot more overt fanservice, a lot of nonsensical plot (like
that whole thing with the detective lady made zero sense, how the fuck did Kazumi immediately figure everything out
), pacing issues...I don't even think it's good as a standalone, much less being compared to Madoka :|
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on June 03, 2011, 09:23:07 PM
Hmm...you've got a point there. Still, it's a bit too early to judge it in such a way. Give it some time, it'll flesh out more eventually.
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Post by: Iryan on June 03, 2011, 09:35:49 PM
Eeeh, fanservice in supposedly serious works is a particular pet peeve of mine...
What about the Oriko manga, is that promising so far? :derp:
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on June 03, 2011, 09:38:31 PM
Indeed it is. And apparently the artist is a Touhou fan, too. :3
Lol, Kisume look-alike.
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on June 03, 2011, 09:44:15 PM
In other news, I just came up with a splendid idea:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w88/KimikoMuffin/KyuubeyCore.jpg) "Contract. Contract! Gotta make a contract. Gotta make a Puella Magi contract. Ooh! Hey! Lady! Hey! Lady! Hey! Lady! Let's make a contract! Dad, I made a contract! I'M PROUD OF YOU, SON. Dad, are you a contract? YES. NOW WE ARE A FAMILY AGAIN."
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on June 03, 2011, 09:52:18 PM
In other news, I just came up with a splendid idea:
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w88/KimikoMuffin/KyuubeyCore.jpg) "Contract. Contract! Gotta make a contract. Gotta make a Puella Magi contract. Ooh! Hey! Lady! Hey! Lady! Hey! Lady! Let's make a contract! Dad, I made a contract! I'M PROUD OF YOU, SON. Dad, are you a contract? YES. NOW WE ARE A FAMILY AGAIN."
Muffin
Do you have any idea of the level of awesome you just achieved? :* :* :*
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Prody on June 06, 2011, 01:57:00 AM
Kuzu Madoka series on Nico: 1 (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13901202) 2 (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14235659) 3 (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14653226) (Spoilers alert, if that's needed)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Slaves on June 06, 2011, 04:29:39 PM
okay this is coming out of the blue but google's not turning out anything and this is the only other place i can ask
is there going to be another volume of the ost?
i ask this mainly because the song used here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9MAzCw7kj0&feature=related) wasn't on the one that was released
and also because the one that was released was called volume 1 i think?
is it bad that i didn't even watch this but i'm freaking out over the music anyway
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on June 06, 2011, 05:02:11 PM
If I am informed correctly then the other OST volumes will be released with the other respecite Blu Ray volumes, which, sadly, will probably take quite a long time.
Quote
i ask this mainly because the song used here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9MAzCw7kj0&feature=related) wasn't on the one that was released
Indeed. Best piece in the soundtrack of a series with an awesome soundtrack.
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is it bad that i didn't even watch this but i'm freaking out over the music anyway
You are allowed to freak out over awesome music, though I see little reason why you would not want to watch the anime, since, you know, it is, like, pretty good, and stuff, unless, of course, you had, like, way too little time or just aren't interested in watching anything currently.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on June 06, 2011, 05:20:42 PM
You are allowed to freak out over awesome music, though I see little reason why you would not want to watch the anime, since, you know, it is, like, pretty good, and stuff, unless, of course, you had, like, way too little time or just aren't interested in watching anything currently.
In other words, watch it or be Mami'd. :moogy:
Mogumogumogumogumogu
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Post by: Letty Whiterock on June 07, 2011, 11:38:54 AM
Ahahaha your avatar is making me giggle, Anathe. I think you're pretty consistent in making me love every time you post.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: lumber_of_the_beast on June 07, 2011, 12:10:05 PM
Finally gotten around to actually watching the anime :V
Thoughts, in no particular order:
omg so pretty
Sayaka is energetic. Seriously, she needs to lay off the caffeine.
Mami-san is so cool~
I wonder if it's bad that I'm starting to like Mamilotte...?
that school is fucked up
Man, I can't wait to make my sister watch this
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on June 07, 2011, 01:12:33 PM
Manga
Moemura
is maximum.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on June 07, 2011, 03:25:03 PM
I can't choose between Manga Moemura and Anime Moemura.
...
Can I have both? :3
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: CS on June 07, 2011, 03:34:03 PM
Just wondering here. Overall, how much different is the manga from the anime? I mean those little little differences. I think I've heard somewhere before that the manga's a little... bloodier?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on June 07, 2011, 03:41:20 PM
Yes, and more depressing. Especially for Sayaka. :(
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on June 07, 2011, 09:55:25 PM
I saw a scanlation which added the caption SO THEN HOMURA BECAME THE COOLEST CHARACTER IN THE ENTIRE SERIES to the end of chapter 10.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: noodles on June 08, 2011, 08:36:31 AM
well the show was basically ABOUT Homura by the end...
I mean as far as I can tell, the character Madoka was an extended symbol of hope and idealism, and by the time it got to Homu, the running theme of the show was those things against hopeless reality
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Post by: Letty Whiterock on June 08, 2011, 12:40:53 PM
well the show was basically ABOUT Homura by the end...
I mean as far as I can tell, the character Madoka was an extended symbol of hope and idealism, and by the time it got to Homu, the running theme of the show was those things against hopeless reality
Homura was always the main character. Look at the lyrics to the OP. They're about Homura. In fact, the ED gives away just as much as the OP. It's amazing.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: noodles on June 08, 2011, 06:16:43 PM
Yeah, the way they put the opening song at the end of Homura's backstory episode was what put everything into focus for me
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Quad City QBs on June 12, 2011, 02:18:36 AM
Just wondering here. Overall, how much different is the manga from the anime? I mean those little little differences. I think I've heard somewhere before that the manga's a little... bloodier?
That much is true, plus Kyubey actually emotes, and the girls are a bit taller/splindier just as a result of the hanokage's style.
But I think the major difference is that the pacing feels really rushed. Which isn't to fault the artist--she does what she can with 43 pages to cover a full episode's worth of content, and the art is certainly more consistent (http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Meduka_meguca) than the anime--but it's not something I would read on its own merits.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Berzul on June 12, 2011, 05:18:27 PM
Yea... it got me too..
It's very happy indeed! I did noticed it, and the only clue can the actually the intro...
But honestly... I guess it meet my expectations as a anime, since it is just girls..and girls.... With only one mature character besides all of them? Well if it's sells I can't bother with details, but there is much to except from just showing content as it is. There is very little of humans in this picture, all of the characters have their role pretty much scripted to the plot. It just seem like watching someone thinking about it in the most single line possible...
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Drake on June 12, 2011, 07:47:02 PM
You watched it after reading all about it. Of course things are going to feel scripted, that's your own fault.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: noodles on June 12, 2011, 11:21:19 PM
why mumi
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Berzul on June 13, 2011, 12:11:12 AM
I never noticed this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btNSYi2QMTM)
Those are really subtle differences in the openings.
:o
Mind = Blown
Brb, scraping the brains from the wall.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Drake on June 26, 2011, 01:37:11 AM
There was an earlier comparison that compared every episode, but it really just came down to these four, probably. I noticed the dumb orange streak being gone right from episode 6.
I just find it funny because a guy I know got the BD and complained about all the changes they made in the blu-ray even though said places have changed constantly throughout the series.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Ghaleon on July 01, 2011, 04:56:58 AM
I just watched this anime, making it the 3rd. It was enjoyable, but I think it would have benefited from being longer. The story is tear-jerk material but...The lack of screen time given the characters kinda dulls that. I mean, it's hard to be touched and feel bonded to each of the characters when you've only known them for less than 10 episodes or whatever you know? I understand budget and whatnot is the main cause of this moreso than creator choice, but still. It's kinda sad how shows like this have so few episodes, while Naruto or whatever have 50 billion.
What exactly makes anime have many episodes anyway? I can't imagine the ones with hundreds of episodes were THAT much more significantly popular or successful when they were brand new.
AS for the show itself, the ending was indeed good. I'm not getting a "bittersweet" vibe though just.. sweet. I didn't get the impression Madoka was lying when she was assuring Horuma that her fate was actually good, plus it's not like they EVER lived, or expected to live on earth forever. I do think though that again, due to the lack of screen time, each girls' fall into despair seemed a bit forced/rushed. Sukuya's (was that her name? I suck with names, I forget already) in particular seemed kinda weak to me. She despairs not when she discovers she's basically a lich (though still human-enough that ordinary people can't tell she's one), but that her friend has the hots for her love? WTF can't she profess her love to him first? Because she has to wear a ring all the time? Really!? As I said, it's not like people can't tell she's not an ordinary human, and there was absolutely no indication that the girls suddenly lacked any sort of sensations or functions that an ordinary human body has. I think that's overanalyzing it a bit, I really didn't think less of the show for things like that so much, I'm just using it as an example of how more screentime could have benefitted it more than just "more is better". There is really a rather NOTICEABLE chunk of stuff missing due to such a small amount of screentime.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: hyorinryu on July 01, 2011, 05:32:21 AM
I just watched this anime, making it the 3rd. It was enjoyable, but I think it would have benefited from being longer. The story is tear-jerk material but...The lack of screen time given the characters kinda dulls that. I mean, it's hard to be touched and feel bonded to each of the characters when you've only known them for less than 10 episodes or whatever you know? I understand budget and whatnot is the main cause of this moreso than creator choice, but still. It's kinda sad how shows like this have so few episodes, while Naruto or whatever have 50 billion.
What exactly makes anime have many episodes anyway? I can't imagine the ones with hundreds of episodes were THAT much more significantly popular or successful when they were brand new.
AS for the show itself, the ending was indeed good. I'm not getting a "bittersweet" vibe though just.. sweet. I didn't get the impression Madoka was lying when she was assuring Horuma that her fate was actually good, plus it's not like they EVER lived, or expected to live on earth forever. I do think though that again, due to the lack of screen time, each girls' fall into despair seemed a bit forced/rushed. Sukuya's (was that her name? I suck with names, I forget already) in particular seemed kinda weak to me. She despairs not when she discovers she's basically a lich (though still human-enough that ordinary people can't tell she's one), but that her friend has the hots for her love? WTF can't she profess her love to him first? Because she has to wear a ring all the time? Really!? As I said, it's not like people can't tell she's not an ordinary human, and there was absolutely no indication that the girls suddenly lacked any sort of sensations or functions that an ordinary human body has. I think that's overanalyzing it a bit, I really didn't think less of the show for things like that so much, I'm just using it as an example of how more screentime could have benefitted it more than just "more is better". There is really a rather NOTICEABLE chunk of stuff missing due to such a small amount of screentime.
Pretty sure it's best for the series to short for the sake of the budget. If the show was longer like Naruto, Bleach, etc. Then they would have to divide their budget over all thhose episodes, leading to those QUALITY moments we all know and love. I feel like those moments would really hurt the show.
And yeah, that bugged me too, though, I guess it is a little believable. I was still hoping someone would slap some sense in to her though. Also, why did Kyoko decide to kill herself and leave Homura to deal with Walpurugis by herself, that confused me.
Oh, and one more thing. The power of a magical girl is proportional to how much they matter, which was why Madoka became so powerful, right? Shouldn't Homura have grown in power too, since she was the reason all this was happening?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on July 01, 2011, 05:40:53 AM
Pretty sure it's best for the series to short for the sake of the budget. If the show was longer like Naruto, Bleach, etc. Then they would have to divide their budget over all thhose episodes, leading to those QUALITY moments we all know and love. I feel like those moments would really hurt the show.
And yeah, that bugged me too, though, I guess it is a little believable. I was still hoping someone would slap some sense in to her though. Also, why did Kyoko decide to kill herself and leave Homura to deal with Walpurugis by herself, that confused me.
Oh, and one more thing. The power of a magical girl is proportional to how much they matter, which was why Madoka became so powerful, right? Shouldn't Homura have grown in power too, since she was the reason all this was happening?
Sayaka basically fell into despair because she has a very black and white, pure conception on love. Once she found out what she had turned into, she lost the courage to face her loved out ever again because she saw herself as a monster. Kyouko killed herself when defeating Oktavia von Sekendorf because she didn't want Sayaka to die alone. That's how awesome a friend she was. I'm not so sure about HomuHomu, though. Some people think that those time reversals indeed gave her power, and that Walpurgis Nacht herself is actually Homura from a different timeline where she falls into despair because she realizes that all her effort was in vain and she can't save Madoka from her fate. Really, when it comes to Homura and the Walpurgis, there's a lot left to explain.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Ghaleon on July 01, 2011, 06:32:04 AM
Pretty sure it's best for the series to short for the sake of the budget. If the show was longer like Naruto, Bleach, etc. Then they would have to divide their budget over all thhose episodes, leading to those QUALITY moments we all know and love. I feel like those moments would really hurt the show.
And yeah, that bugged me too, though, I guess it is a little believable. I was still hoping someone would slap some sense in to her though. Also, why did Kyoko decide to kill herself and leave Homura to deal with Walpurugis by herself, that confused me.
Oh, and one more thing. The power of a magical girl is proportional to how much they matter, which was why Madoka became so powerful, right? Shouldn't Homura have grown in power too, since she was the reason all this was happening?
Yeah, I'm not saying it should have been AS long as Naruto, just...longer. I think picture/animation quality and whatnot isn't as important as emotional stringpulling and whatnot. I mean, when Mami dies, I felt like I was supposed to feel really sad or do a double take or something, but, in reality, how long did I really know her for? 20 minutes? It just doesn't have the same impact like that.
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Kyouko killed herself when defeating Oktavia von Sekendorf because she didn't want Sayaka to die alone. That's how awesome a friend she was.
Yeahh, that too was hard to believe due to lack of screentime. I don't really want to go into details because then it looks like I'm picking at the show and that's not my intention. All my beefs are solely caused by lack of length IMO.
Edit: Oh yeah. But about the kyuubee=Evil debate. If simply being devoid of emotions or empathy equates to evil...then isn't the cattle comparison fair game? If you think animals do have emotions and/or feelings, then would not using them as we do be an equivalent? And if you think they are incapable of feeling or such thoughts, wouldn't they, by definition, be evil too? I've never heard anybody really think of animals in general as evil.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on July 01, 2011, 07:17:39 AM
Also as for why Sayaka spiraled down into despair, from what I see it is very much implied that the link between your mental condition and the clarity of your soul gem goes both ways. Due to her ideals, she continued to fight familiars without getting any grief seeds, darkening her soul gem and in turn filling her heart with anger, mistrust and jealousy.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Ghaleon on July 01, 2011, 07:50:33 AM
Also as for why Sayaka spiraled down into despair, from what I see it is very much implied that the link between your mental condition and the clarity of your soul gem goes both ways. Due to her ideals, she continued to fight familiars without getting any grief seeds, darkening her soul gem and in turn filling her heart with anger, mistrust and jealousy.
That's a reasonable explanation, though she refused to use that one, and it definitely seemed to be out of self-loathing or pity rather than an actual desire to make up for anything. Which is still a character flaw rather than a magical girl technicality thing, or else all of them would fall into the same fate if they ever needed em grief seeds (and they all must at some point...soo). It just steams me to see characters surrounded by super loyal lovable friends, and to callously ignore their company for self pity, grrr.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on July 01, 2011, 07:57:11 AM
Yeah, I dunno about to self-proclaimed heroes of justice or whatever though >=P
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Letty Whiterock on July 01, 2011, 10:26:25 AM
The differences (in the OP) are literally Shaft getting the budget to finish the OP.
Edit: Oh, there's a 9th page. Whatever.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Keine Kamishirasawa on July 02, 2011, 03:33:18 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4x52k.png)
http://madokamagicausa.com/
More details forthcoming. Watch the site for updates.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Berzul on July 02, 2011, 03:36:50 PM
／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on July 02, 2011, 03:46:20 PM
MADOKA MAGINA
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Moerin on July 02, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
Well, kinda saw that one coming. I mean, seeing how it's probably the most hyped anime since Gurren Lagann, which also made it's way over the shores pretty quickly because of how popular it was...
Still, looking forward to this~
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on July 02, 2011, 04:26:41 PM
I am waiting for the german dub that cuts out all references to death in the episodes so that it can be advertised to people below age 10 properly, making everything completely incomprehensible from ep 3 onwards.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Moerin on July 02, 2011, 04:31:15 PM
They sent Mami to another dimension! :o
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on July 02, 2011, 09:09:42 PM
I am waiting for the german dub that cuts out all references to death in the episodes so that it can be advertised to people below age 10 properly, making everything completely incomprehensible from ep 3 onwards.
Sayaka basically fell into despair because she has a very black and white, pure conception on love. Once she found out what she had turned into, she lost the courage to face her loved out ever again because she saw herself as a monster.
Only part of it. Sayaka also realized, with her pang of regret over saving Hitomi, that she had failed to live up to her own (impossibly high) standards.
Kyouko killed herself when defeating Oktavia von Sekendorf because she didn't want Sayaka to die alone. That's how awesome a friend she was.
Once again, only part of it. Realizing just where Witches come from, and that there was no way to save Sayaka, made her decide "Y'know what? Fuck this," when she probably could've won the fight and survived if she were particularly interested in survival.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on July 03, 2011, 07:45:51 PM
Only part of it. Sayaka also realized, with her pang of regret over saving Hitomi, that she had failed to live up to her own (impossibly high) standards.
Once again, only part of it. Realizing just where Witches come from, and that there was no way to save Sayaka, made her decide "Y'know what? Fuck this," when she probably could've won the fight and survived if she were particularly interested in survival.
Thanks. I was forgetting about the Hitomi part of Sayaka's fall to despair.
Also, does anyone know if there's official art of the original Puella Magi selves of the witches? I'd kill to find out how moe Charlotte once was. :3
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on July 03, 2011, 08:57:47 PM
I'm fairly certain there isn't any such thing.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Wisp on July 03, 2011, 09:27:12 PM
in Madoka episode 12: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFttp3Ux9dM
My god, how can it be that I now want Madoka to be voiced by Barry White
I don't know I would rather dig this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfbK6l7g28o).
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 01, 2011, 08:01:09 PM
I grinned.
Another video. This time, it's by someone who noticed some similarities in a few certain scenes from Episode 10 to Episode 1. Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoXzzW232oQ - Episode 10 spoilers, of course.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Tengukami on August 01, 2011, 08:07:32 PM
Another video. This time, it's by someone who noticed some similarities in a few certain scenes from Episode 10 to Episode 1. Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoXzzW232oQ - Episode 10 spoilers, of course.
I remember thinking about this when watching ep 10. I haven't thought about this series in a while, but seeing that video reminded me of just what a masterpiece Madoka was.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Berzul on August 01, 2011, 08:12:25 PM
aa music made you think that right...? :P hehe
But yes, it has been a while and I haven't seen episodes 1-4 (or 1-5) so far...
Honestly I might just watch it again for the sake of seeing if it's truly a parody of the Magical girl genre in all. We could have a Skype call coop watching if you want... :P
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Tengukami on August 01, 2011, 08:15:41 PM
No, rather because when I got around to watching Madoka, the series was already finished. I marathoned the entire series in a very short time, so there were mere days between watching Episode 1 and Episode 10. Thus I remembered, "oh this is like in episode one where _____".
But honestly, I think it'd be possible to remember anyway. It was a pretty memorable sequence from the first episode.
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Post by: triangles on August 01, 2011, 08:30:57 PM
You know, I definitely recall getting some deja vu when watching Ep10 but now it totally hits me like a brick to the face.
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Post by: labeth on August 01, 2011, 08:51:38 PM
Wow, I did not realize the shots were that similar by the time I got to episode 10. I do really love the whole role-reversal aspect, so this is awesome to compare visually this way.
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Post by: Iryan on August 01, 2011, 08:53:45 PM
You know, maybe it is because I watched episode 1 through 10 spread over only 3 days, but I find it hard to see how one could have missed that. :derp:
But yeah, episode 10 was when my opinion went from "this show is pretty good" to "this is effing amazing". :D
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Drake on August 01, 2011, 08:57:43 PM
I did notice immediately how similar all the shots were, especially the swapped positions of Madoka and Homura, but if those are the actual timings then that's pretty incredible.
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Post by: labeth on August 01, 2011, 08:58:05 PM
Well, personally, I got that the opening shots of the introduction to the class was the same, but the exact shots (down to the same couple guys in the background) for the leading down the hall part I didn't notice as much.
Or, yes, Drake, that.
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on August 01, 2011, 09:01:24 PM
You know, maybe it is because I watched episode 1 through 10 spread over only 3 days, but I find it hard to see how one could have missed that. :derp:
Well, there was the whole one month gap between episode 9 and the rest due to the earthquake and all, so I wouldn't blame anyone for not remembering episode one down to the exact images anymore by that time.
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 01, 2011, 09:15:57 PM
Whoa. I knew the episodes were really similar at those points, but that video really shows how different Homura really was in episodes 1 and 10.
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Post by: Stuffman on August 02, 2011, 04:13:24 AM
Y'know admittedly I didn't like Homura as a character much at first, I thought they were laying the cinematics on her too hard to make her cool and that she was actually pretty shallow. Then episode 10 came and dropped the most insane rate of character development I've ever seen in the span of 20 minutes :o
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: WeatherRein on August 07, 2011, 06:21:48 AM
Y'know admittedly I didn't like Homura as a character much at first, I thought they were laying the cinematics on her too hard to make her cool and that she was actually pretty shallow. Then episode 10 came and dropped the most insane rate of character development I've ever seen in the span of 20 minutes :o
So true.
I reeeeally hated Homura (Specially in Chapter 3 when Mami died)
The Chapter 10 came... Homura ascended to my favorite Character in the show (Second being Sakura)
That said, this one one hell of a good anime, totally different from most Mahou Shoujo animes I've seen.
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Post by: labeth on August 07, 2011, 07:43:37 AM
Funny thing with me is that I honestly really disliked Mami and liked Homura at first. It seemed like Homura obviously knew something, and that Mami and Sayaka were being too dense and prideful to listen to a word she said, and it drove me kinda nuts. I also think I was a little wary of Mami because she had similar coloration to another character in another series who turned out to be pretty horrible (I don't want to spoiler it for anyone, so I'm being purposefully vague.)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Jes_Isaive on August 08, 2011, 08:28:49 AM
Finally watched this because of this video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yj7_Eu8n8E)
I guess that would've been my reaction if I hadn't spoilered the hell out of it for myself.
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Post by: onions on August 09, 2011, 01:48:52 AM
Just watched episode 10 and UGH this show is so well written and directed.
e: just finished the show. this anime is just so... "happy" :colonveeplusalpha:
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 14, 2011, 09:08:01 PM
http://void.heteml.jp/flash/bullet_magica/
Oh god, this is epic at so many levels. :getdown:
I haven't actually played it yet, though, but I just HAD to link it here.
Okay, played through it now. All of the witches are pretty damn easy except for Charlotte and Walpurgis Nacht, of course. Homura's charge shot is so Youmu, and Madoka is definitely a Reimu-type.
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 14, 2011, 09:33:44 PM
Ah, yes, the Madoka shmup. Showed it to the Library channel a few days back, I think. I beat all the witches on Hard mode with Kyouko (there were other characters I could have played as?), myself. It's not terribly hard, but it's pretty sweet. That site is great for games.
Speaking of... here, have some Pacmagi (http://3-me.net/flashdir/pacmagi/). (I haven't gotten far enough to know if there are spoilers, sorry.)
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Post by: Berzul on August 15, 2011, 02:06:41 AM
If anyone would like to explain what honestly are those links basically saying? http://madoka-magica-game.channel.or.jp/ http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15297578 http://www.nitroplus.co.jp/news/2011/08/110814_2473.php
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Post by: Tengukami on August 15, 2011, 02:36:40 AM
Ah, yes, the Madoka shmup. Showed it to the Library channel a few days back, I think. I beat all the witches on Hard mode with Kyouko (there were other characters I could have played as?), myself. It's not terribly hard, but it's pretty sweet. That site is great for games.
The Homura jumping game is a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: CS on August 15, 2011, 08:46:40 AM
Oo speaking of games and Madoka, and since Comiket's already here, has anyone managed to get a hold of or heard of anything about Tasofro's Madoka game?
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Post by: Drake on August 15, 2011, 09:03:03 AM
well i definitely wasn't playing it yesterday
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Post by: Bio on August 15, 2011, 09:17:25 AM
Oo speaking of games and Madoka, and since Comiket's already here, has anyone managed to get a hold of or heard of anything about Tasofro's Madoka game?
This person is an idiot. Sure, the game is simplistic and short, but it does what it needs to do. Let us all play as the cast against witches. The sprite work and music is very good, as expected from Tasofro. The character balance is a legitimate problem, where Sayaka and Kyouko dominate and everyone else is much worse, but it doesn't hurt the game much. Needs netplay though. Twilight Frontier has no excuse there.
I think half of #shrinemaiden talking about Grief Syndrome over the weekend non-stop says all you need to know.
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Post by: Quad City QBs on August 15, 2011, 10:28:55 PM
Seconded on the netplay point. I'm not even sure Hamachi would work, because you actually have to go into config and set up each controller if you want to do multiplayer.
Which is worth the effort if you can find people, of course. I played 3-player at a party and it was tight as hell. Unfortunately, it crashed on stage 2--not sure if that's just a multiplayer thing or if I had a bad install or whatever.
At the very least, I got a new avatar out of the whole deal.
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Post by: Link on August 15, 2011, 11:17:00 PM
Hamachi won't work because there's no network code there in any way. You'd need a Caster type solution and I highly doubt anyone will bother for a game like this. Shame.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 15, 2011, 11:27:55 PM
It's annoying, since Tasofro obviously knows how to work netplay in. Too bad they didn't.
Kyouko is overpowered, I hear. Though, it wouldn't matter to me if she were the weakest character in the game. I'm not playing as anyone else. :flowerpower:
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Grimarg on August 15, 2011, 11:39:33 PM
Well, I just finished it, and I EFFING LOVE IT, pretty much for all the reasons you put, also, by episode 5 I was playing Magia on my guitar already.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: trancehime on August 16, 2011, 02:05:15 AM
It's annoying, since Tasofro obviously knows how to work netplay in. Too bad they didn't.
this is like French Bread syndrome!
And it sucks because Tasofro have freaking implemented netplay before so..! All things considered, GS would probably be way better with some form of netplay. But I'm not gonna rag on it any further than that.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Chaore on August 16, 2011, 03:03:08 AM
The game is amazing, and even if it's got it's faults, it's pretty fun.
My only beef is that
Having Sayaka succumb to grief to fight Oktavia
is an amazingly dick move. Not only does that mean doing well you don't get that fight, it means if you're having trouble you get slapped with another boss fight out of nowhere.
Not like you'd have that problem anyway. All hail the stab queen, Divereaper of the twelve legions. Not the best damage wise, but god damn probably the most mobile and fun to play.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: PX on August 16, 2011, 03:21:46 AM
Game is fun. Especially Sayaka :D
Favorite Moment: First lap/playthrough, Homura on Stage 4/Elsamaria, I killed the boss with 35 Soul Limit left, 1/3rd of my HP bar in red, one third in blue, and another third in green. It was amazing.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Polttopallo on August 16, 2011, 01:41:24 PM
Another fun game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B39IRPkDqA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B39IRPkDqA)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 16, 2011, 02:01:25 PM
I cannot stress how easy is Walpurgisnatch's stage with Mami.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Berzul on August 16, 2011, 02:36:30 PM
ooo this game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFWpo2V_7kQ)
But waits there's more! Only if you replay within 10 mins of posting this post, you get this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulZ5UQlmOwk) (Also available here (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14606851)). (On the side note why Youtube has only like 5k views while Nico has 433k?)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Paper Conan on August 17, 2011, 12:04:05 AM
I finally finished watching.
/mfw Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica :o
Guys, I'm scared. I think this anime might be better than TTGL. brb, gonna go catch up with the rest of this thread.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 17, 2011, 12:41:06 AM
Oh, is this where people are talking about Grief Syndrome? Homura is fun to play around with.
Lap 677. How the hell does it work? It took me over 25 minutes to complete the first section of the first level (Construction Site). And I got touched by an offscreen enemy. For 1.4k damage. I WILL CLEAR THIS ONE DAY.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: CS on August 17, 2011, 05:33:19 AM
It seems the girls have levels? So they, like, have higher damage, life, etc as they level up? If so, why not grind a girl till she's super fat :V
Oh and what are those laps anyway?...
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 17, 2011, 06:03:26 AM
Anyway, basically the game is divided into 5 (or 6 depending on whether or not you unlock the hidden boss) stages. Once you finish the final stagee for the first time, you'll receive the message that you've completed the first lap, and the second lap will become available. The problem with grinding is that the girl's levels are reset between laps. With each lap, the witches and their mobs get stronger and stronger. And the 677th lap is freaking impossible to beat solo. Well, not impossible but it would take far too long.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: PX on August 17, 2011, 06:22:19 AM
Ahahahaha, lap 677? You wimps, I'm already on LAP 2501.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 17, 2011, 06:26:06 AM
Screw you PX. Just you wait. I hate uni.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 17, 2011, 08:12:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fXPjdoCmyY
I was wondering when I'd stumble upon this. About time. :3
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Paper Conan on August 17, 2011, 08:49:05 PM
I can't tell if you're joking...but I recommend trying it. I mean, in Pokemon Ruby I managed to beat Tate & Liza with my Pikachu and Swellow's Thunder Armor. If it works in the show, it's bound to work in the game.~
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Jes_Isaive on August 17, 2011, 10:01:56 PM
I can't tell if you're joking...but I recommend trying it. I mean, in Pokemon Ruby I managed to beat Tate & Liza with my Pikachu and Swellow's Thunder Armor. If it works in the show, it's bound to work in the game.~
I'm not joking. If to get the Oktavia boss fight you have to make Sayaka succumb to grief, which is what happened in the show, then obviously the way to defeat Oktavia is to make your Kyouko die, because that's what happened in the show.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 17, 2011, 10:06:59 PM
I survived for ten minutes. Its HP bar did not move at all. :V
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
SCREW YOU PX. YOU CHEATER. YOU DIDN'T PLAY THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE LAP AT ALL TIMES.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on August 17, 2011, 10:13:19 PM
On a side note, this needs to be done. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD78QRd5AVQ) :getdown:
AWESOME.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Berzul on August 18, 2011, 01:02:28 PM
Ok I omitted myself to watching the Anime again until I would have someone to with, but nothing such I said about Manga.... Now it is pretty much the same, it is still fun because of how pointless and stupid how all this Magical girl thing work (It is like...
Madoka could have wished for not having any Magical girls at all, but since it is magic and she is all into the magic... yeah....
).
Also my personal note on what was going on all this time..
>"Do you think I would believe in such bullshit about the universe and all? You are such advanced and still such dependable on girls from other planets? You are doing it for fun, whatever you actually are from..." >"Yes"
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: CS on August 18, 2011, 01:09:28 PM
>"Do you think I would believe in such bullshit about the universe and all? You are such advanced and still such dependable on girls from other planets? You are doing it for fun, whatever you actually are from..." >"Yes"
Exploiting little girls by granting their wishes and giving them hope, only to crush it all before their very eyes into piles of dust and soot and then watch them suffer while eating an extra large popcorn... I guess this sounds pretty entertaining too, if you're an advanced race who doesn't have TV or the Internet and are really desperate for entertainment. Besides that, I don't see anything wrong with Kyubey's actions... he was just having fun :V
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Berzul on August 18, 2011, 01:13:40 PM
Ok I omitted myself to watching the Anime again until I would have someone to with, but nothing such I said about Manga.... Now it is pretty much the same, it is still fun because of how pointless and stupid how all this Magical girl thing work (It is like...
Madoka could have wished for not having any Magical girls at all, but since it is magic and she is all into the magic... yeah....
).
I'm pretty sure QB's said that "if we'd never come here/if not for the puella magi, you guy'd still be living caves."
Mind you, it brings up the question of whether to believe him, but ...
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dr Rawr on August 19, 2011, 01:08:26 AM
These cool sprites :V
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Berzul on August 19, 2011, 01:58:31 AM
So I can assume still one thing, since they just been developing like any other civilisation without magical girls, they still manage to be able to create them? QB stated they didn't have emotions so....
I can also go with the lie theory because it is possible as well, hence that QB really don't give solid explanation about the whole universe relation with all this magic going on. It can help in progress as well it actually can hinder it as well, hence it is hard just like that say it is actually helping more than harming. Another funny thing is that they developed magic, not technology? So they can't just wish themselves? It gets a bit tricky, I can only assume that they actually have some limitations upon granting those wishes since there would probably be one or two of actually solving the universe problem... in the entire universe that is. That actually gives me the idea that the sole lie is based on having implement some sort of mind deceiving device that would actually project all the magic and such. Of course that would actually be a nice idea for a TV show as you probably already saw :P
Also the only wrong thing you do with being a god is to make progress for the people not make them have their own decisions. Progress is just a matter of time, and just maybe, if you would believe in it, Humanity would came up with more optimal and not harmful for anyone solution of the universe problem (If that is the case anyway, because why not just make that wish?....). Anyway what Madoka did isn't really what fixes "The problem", but it sure shows that the "progress" was not ruined by changing the rules, hence maybe it wouldn't change at all then?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iced Fairy on August 19, 2011, 01:59:39 AM
I'm pretty sure QB's said that "if we'd never come here/if not for the puella magi, you guy'd still be living caves."
Mind you, it brings up the question of whether to believe him, but ...
As I said when the IRC people watched it:
"You primitives would never have gotten anywhere if it weren't for us white men incubators."
Kyuube probably believes it, but it's a crock of shit to me. It's completely unreasonable.
Still there'd be a whole lot more time paradox if Madoka'd wished for not having any Magical girls at all. I imagine you only want to bend time so far....
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Jes_Isaive on August 19, 2011, 02:38:03 AM
Goddamn spear making the dimensions larger than what's allowed.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: PX on August 19, 2011, 02:46:58 AM
:V GJ!
All we need now is a Kyubei to beat up.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2011, 02:49:16 AM
*Dormoe Mami readies the guns for Kyubei's appearance.*
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dr Rawr on August 19, 2011, 02:51:44 AM
yesssss 8)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 19, 2011, 02:58:12 AM
Yo, guys.
You're kinda missing the main character. :V
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 19, 2011, 03:20:04 AM
no they're not (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=167)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Savory on August 19, 2011, 03:23:10 AM
Grief Syndrome is fun as heck! Though the only characters I can use right are Sayaka and Kyouko.
I've never been good with the gunslingers or snipers.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Jes_Isaive on August 19, 2011, 03:25:50 AM
Pffft, as if Madoka could really hurt Kyubey. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-3OLl5Lekk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL) I can't pronounce it any other way now.
New Reply was etc. etc.
Oh God, we have two Madokas now?
New Reply was etc. etc. x2
Clearly, the best (http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Grief_Syndrome_04.jpg) characters. (http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Grief_Syndrome_05.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 19, 2011, 01:01:33 PM
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Paper Conan on August 19, 2011, 04:30:33 PM
Technically, we need
5 (or more) Madokas
.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Jana on August 19, 2011, 04:31:18 PM
Some of those endings are adorables. :3c
I went with girlyrun.gif instead of the standing animation, but it's cute too!
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Jes_Isaive on August 19, 2011, 08:29:18 PM
Lap 677. First enemies. Get hit. 2000 damage. :colonveeplusalpha:
Although I did make considerable progress by setting the keys for player 2 & 3 as the same ones as player 1. Homura, Madoka, Mami. Sit at edge of screen. Hold X. Release. Repeat. Total hit counter of 500. Die anyways.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 20, 2011, 06:16:19 PM
I was bored, so I made this. http://nekorandomnessqueen.deviantart.com/#/d478lup
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on August 20, 2011, 06:25:33 PM
Erm... isn't there already a Madoka!Platinum color-scheme? <___>
I doubt it, seeing how Platinum showed up before Madoka. >.> Most likely if there's one that seems to be Madoka, it's supposed to be Chibiusa or something.
Also yeah, the Kyubey one seems to work the best, somehow.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Quad City QBs on August 21, 2011, 06:33:37 PM
Pffft, as if Madoka could really hurt Kyubey. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-3OLl5Lekk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL) I can't pronounce it any other way now.
oh hey that comic looks familiar (http://i.imgur.com/U5XOs.png)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 21, 2011, 06:51:04 PM
Yeah, I thought that style looked familiar.
I cracked up when Magia started playing.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Jes_Isaive on August 21, 2011, 09:38:12 PM
oh hey that comic looks familiar (http://i.imgur.com/U5XOs.png)
...Oh. OH. Just realized it myself. orz
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Esoterica on August 30, 2011, 08:27:13 AM
I marathoned this from start to finish just now.
Yes, I know I was really late.
Yes, I nearly cried on more than one occasion.
Yes, this is the best thing I've watched in about as long as I can remember.
Grief Syndrome's fun too, just wish I could do as well with Mami as I can with Madoka/Homura/Sayaka. Unlocked up to lap 10001, but I usually just play on 100.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Nobu on August 30, 2011, 10:16:21 AM
Yes, this is the best thing I've watched in about as long as I can remember.
Grief Syndrome's fun too, just wish I could do as well with Mami as I can with Madoka/Homura/Sayaka. Unlocked up to lap 10001, but I usually just play on 100.
It's ok, I was pretty late on the bandwagon too
but not as late as you
jesus christ
[ruro]Ah, what would the Madoka thread be without obvious shows of disdain towards people who arrive "late".[/ruro]
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Berzul on September 01, 2011, 01:33:24 AM
Just add this (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15345879) for the kids, They love explosions!
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Mеа on September 02, 2011, 07:27:03 AM
Some Madoka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUKGB2IIcic) MADs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgUp_aBTqRU&feature=related) for your entertainment.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Paper Conan on September 05, 2011, 06:43:59 PM
Last night, I showed my best friend the first three episodes of Puella Magi Madoka Magica to get him hooked on the anime.
His thoughts throughout the episodes: First half of episode 1: "What is this gay shit?" Second half of episode 1: "Drug trip with a blonde touhou." First half of episode 2: "Interesting..." Second half of episode 2: "Mami is fucking awesome." First half of episode 3: "..." Second half of episode 3: ";_;"
After those episodes, he asked me why Madoka just doesn't wish for
all the witches to go away.
:X
I just told him that would be silly.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on September 05, 2011, 06:48:37 PM
After those episodes, he asked me why Madoka just doesn't wish for
all the witches to go away.
:X
I just told him that would be silly.
:colonveeplusalpha:
You know, after episode 3 I was totally expecting her to wish Mami back to life. Technically I am still not sure why she didn't even think of that possibility. I mean during the later episodes
it is at least hinted at that the power of your wish is limited by your potential as a puella magi, which would explain that
, but until those later episodes, I was wondering why at least the idea was never mentioned. :derp:
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on September 06, 2011, 02:40:36 AM
Psh, as far as that goes, immediately after Ep3, I remember commenting that I hadn't seen so much denial about "she's seriously dead forever" since Aerith in FF7.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on September 06, 2011, 08:35:11 AM
Psh, as far as that goes, immediately after Ep3, I remember commenting that I hadn't seen so much denial about "she's seriously dead forever" since Aerith in FF7.
Nono, I wasn't thinking "SHE MUST BE BROUGHT BACK RARRR". but it would seem to me as an idea Madoka would have been likely to have had. I mean, in a setting where you can
make a deal with the devil to have your wishes fullfilled
, I would expect the idea of bringing someone back to life would be addressed in some way some time, no?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: triangles on September 06, 2011, 10:06:10 AM
I think it makes a lot of sense why it never came up.
Madoka had known Mami for what, maybe a month tops if we're going to be really generous. After seeing that magical girl-dom isn't all sunshine and roses, it's logical that Madoka didn't want to throw herself into that mess for someone she pretty much just met. With the lack of information from ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ at that point on how deep the rabbit hole went in contract fine print and the whole witch/magical girl system, Madoka wasn't set on trying to end the situation. Sayaka on the other hand who had been living in FriendsZone for a while, yeah I can see her making an impulsive teenage girl wish.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Mеа on September 06, 2011, 12:32:32 PM
Just because it wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that she didn't think it, though it would have been interesting to see how she would address that. I think it was more out of an act of kindness. Even if she does get revived, she still has the memories of being killed, and she knows the system of MS and witches. She'll just be needlessly worried. And that's if she doesn't come back as a MS. If she does come back as a MS, she has the life-risking duty given back to her once again, which more or less defeats the purpose of bringing her back to life anyway. The main reason is probably that Madoka did not [at the time] wish to be a MS. Her feelings toward not wanting to be a MS also extended to other people, as when she showed concern when
Sayaka
became one. The reason being that, once again, it's dangerous. And that fact was bluntly proven to her when
Mami died
. Bringing her back to life to make her face that kind of life again would be almost cruel. Yes, even if Madoka is now a MS too. If Mami retains her MS status, then it'll just create a weird tension between them. It wont be mentioned by either of them, but it would be there. If Madoka were to wish that she be brought to life without her MS memories, then she still loses in the long run when WN appears and
pretty much kills everyone
. Besides, even if she does come back, she'd still be anti-entropy fodder for QB as you'd assume she'd still be a MS candidate.
(Well, the musings of a bored individual whom should be sleeping by now for school tomorrow.)
But rather than that, I'm wondering as to why in the hell Kamijou had never considered the idea of playing the violin by using his right hand instead. His right hand seems perfectly fine, so all he has to do is get used to playing the notes with his right hand and controlling the bow with his left. If he can't grab the bow, then somehow tape it on. BE INNOVATIVE. From a critical perspective, people who make great comebacks always get even more attention and widespread fame than they did before they got into their life altering accidents. He apparently already had a prodigy level of musical sense and talent, all that required was a little adjustment. In fact, if he did manage to do this, I'd imagine that half the stuff going on in this show could have been averted.
TWO DEATHS COULD HAVE POSSIBLY [temporarily] BEEN AVERTED!!
! First of all, if he did restart playing the violin, then Sayaka would bring more CD's and stuff to get him motivated, and they could have possibly gotten into a decent relationship. This removes Sayaka's wish, and averts her becoming a MS. Then Kyouko wouldn't have [prematurely] died, and Homura wouldn't despair after showing too much of her time powers (Remember, Homura stops time and shoots QB when Madoka is about to wish to help Sayaka, but that wouldn't happen if Sayaka doesn't turn into a MS. This then leads to QB [probably] not figuring out what Homura's powers are, and making the connection between that and Madoka's enormous fate, which in turn leads to QB not telling Homura about this and causing her to despair). However, QB would most likely not keep away from these two even if they continue to not make a wish after Mami dies, especially Madoka. So he'd probably start scattering GS's all over the place, trying to create a situation for them to wish in. This'll probably eventually cause them to run into Kyouko, since this territory is technically first come first serve. Depending on how things go, Kyouko would likely become friends with them(with possible yuri with Sayaka except this time, it's a good end. With the additional benefit of Kyousuke getting Hitomi as well). Because Kyouko doesn't die with Oktavia, and it's hinted that it is possible to stop WN with just the 2 of them(Kyouko and Homura), it's possible that they actually end up killing WN. Since there's no opportunity for QB to explain the SG gimmick, the girls would remain relatively ok about being/becoming MSs. If WN isn't defeated, then there's two more wishes available in Madoka and Sayaka. Which will probably end up being wishes like the power to kill any witch, to fix all the damage caused by WN(after killing it), or something like that. The best part is since Homura doesn't despair, she can rewind time again. So is it just me or is Kyousuke behind much of everything as much as QB is? (Ok, now I really need to sleep)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Paper Conan on September 06, 2011, 10:06:45 PM
Now that you mention it... Kyuskiko needs to die. (or you know, GreenhairedNotMeguka. If Sayaku hadn't saved her, Kyuskiko would be all hers, meaning no despair!Sayaku, sacrificial!Kyuko, and troubled!Hameru).
On a related note, that amazing meguca version is no longer in youtube... :qq:
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Tamer Anode/Cathode on September 06, 2011, 11:27:00 PM
Now that you mention it... Kyuskiko needs to die. (or you know, GreenhairedNotMeguka. If Sayaku hadn't saved her, Kyuskiko would be all hers, meaning no despair!Sayaku, sacrificial!Kyuko, and troubled!Hameru).
On a related note, that amazing meguca version is no longer in youtube... :qq:
I don't get why people hate on Hitomi so much. From an objective standpoint, she's a very good friend. I'd like a friend like her. She noticed that her friend held feelings for Kamijou more than she did, and offered her a chance to go first. That's really generous. And she's a teen. Normally this is where the two girls get into really ugly girl fights, but she manages to complete avoid it by simply being a good friend. If anything, it's Sayaka's fault for not taking her own feelings seriously enough. And QB, but that's an entirely separate matter altogether.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on September 07, 2011, 08:20:12 AM
I don't get why people hate on Hitomi so much. From an objective standpoint, she's a very good friend. I'd like a friend like her. She noticed that her friend held feelings for Kamijou more than she did, and offered her a chance to go first. That's really generous. And she's a teen. Normally this is where the two girls get into really ugly girl fights, but she manages to complete avoid it by simply being a good friend. If anything, it's Sayaka's fault for not taking her own feelings seriously enough.
I disagree with the notion that Hitomi is a good friend. I don't think she was being benevolent by giving Sayaka a day to get the first try at Kyousuke. From their talk, I thought that she did it so she would feel less guilty about confessing to him. That's probably kind of cynical of me, but that's why I don't think she's totally benevolent to Sayaka the way Hitomi defenders say she is. Which is fine with me-- I don't think there can ever be one reason for anything someone does. But it does disqualify her from being a good friend, in my view. (Not that the notion of "good friend" isn't an idealized sham in the first place, but I digress.) Had Hitomi actually waited for Sayaka to confess first instead of giving her an ultimatum, I might've thought better of her.
I do agree with you on one point, though: Sayaka is a moron. Self-awareness was never a part of her character to begin with, though. (And her love was very artificial from the start, in my eyes, but that's a whole other story.)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: triangles on September 07, 2011, 10:20:27 AM
This is all overlooking the very real possibility that even if Sayaka made a move first it would have ended any differently. I don't think it would have. I know it's hard to believe thanks to pop culture, but girls can get shot down by guys they are interested in or not have their feelings returned (I can speak from lots of experience!) And I can see how "he's not dating me because she asked him first" is a lot easier to swallow than "he's not dating me because I wasn't (blank) enough for him to want to" :ohdear:
My speculation:
The reason Sayaka gives as to why she didn't go for it when Hitomi laid it out was "oh I am unloveable as a magical girl lich." The magical girls don't always learn everything in the same order in each timeline if at all, but it seems she still goes into despair/witch-mode every time. Getting shot down by the guy you literally sold your soul to heal, well that's pretty despairing isn't it... giving the same end result we saw in the show's timeline.
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Post by: Jana on September 07, 2011, 02:14:24 PM
Recall that earlier in the thread, someone posted some notes from the staff. Kyosuke always saw Sayaka as a friend, and would have never seen her as more than that.
Also, Hitomi was kissed by a witch prior to her coming to Sayaka about Kyosuke. I wonder if being freed from the kiss is what made Hitomi decide to confront Sayaka, and how she felt about doing so before the kiss.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on September 07, 2011, 02:28:12 PM
I agree with both Ruro and triangles. Hitomi wasn't a good friend. That ultimatum and the tone she spoke to Sayaka in were really harsh, and not something a real friend would do. Indeed, she was doing it to reduce the guilt of confessing first.
Being shot down by the guy she likes so much must've been painful for Sayaka, if it did indeed happen in another timeline. It wouldn't surprise me that she turned into a witch anyway even without knowing what it meant to be a magical girl beforehand.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on September 07, 2011, 02:34:08 PM
This is all overlooking the very real possibility that even if Sayaka made a move first it would have ended any differently.
No, it isn't. I deleted this from my first post, but I guess I can say it now: How it would have ended is immaterial, Sayaka would have been rejected anyway. The only difference being that having her simply not have the spine to tell Kyousuke is more tragic, since it puts the blame squarely on her shoulders (as opposed to having been rejected and then being able to blame Kyousuke or Hitomi).
Being shot down by the guy she likes so much must've been painful for Sayaka, if it did indeed happen in another timeline. It wouldn't surprise me that she turned into a witch anyway even without knowing what it meant to be a magical girl beforehand.
I know! Even though I think Sayaka's a goddamn moron, I can't help but think that if only she hadn't contracted by that point, then she would have worn dark clothing, sat in her candle-lit room, and written bad emo poetry with the words "rainy" "soul" "miasma" in every sentence while listening to Evanescence whilst she got over it like normal overemotional teenage girls do, and been totally fine a week later. Truly, tragedy is all about timing.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on September 07, 2011, 02:54:23 PM
I know! Even though I think Sayaka's a goddamn moron, I can't help but think that if only she hadn't contracted by that point, then she would have worn dark clothing, sat in her candle-lit room, and written bad emo poetry with the words "rainy" "soul" "miasma" in every sentence while listening to Evanescence whilst she got over it like normal overemotional teenage girls do, and been totally fine a week later. Truly, tragedy is all about timing.
But think about it, had she not contracted Madoka would've died in H.N. Elly (Kristen)'s hands...claws...whatever it is she had, and that timeline would have to be repeated once more. There was simply no way Sayaka, or any of the girls for that matter, could have possibly escaped her fate of becoming a magical girl because the events of each timeline lead to it happening, which is the saddest part of this whole series.
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Post by: Tamer Anode/Cathode on September 07, 2011, 03:03:17 PM
Well, the fact that a lot of what happened to Sayaka was self-inflicted was what made her so tragic as a character.
At its core, Madoka Magica's about the collision between several flawed characters who encountered the supernatural in the wrong place at the wrong time. Each of the girls wound up making mistakes that harmed themselves and others, either out of ignorance or selfishness.
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on September 07, 2011, 03:11:35 PM
There was simply no way Sayaka, or any of the girls for that matter, could have possibly escaped her fate of becoming a magical girl because the events of each timeline lead to it happening, which is the saddest part of this whole series.
Didn't Urobuchi or Shinbo or someone outright state that Sayaka is doomed in every single timeline she contracts in, period? As much as I loathe Sayaka for a multitude of reasons, I will always admit that she really gets screwed over by fate, apparently just for the sheer hell of it. You have heard how it was confirmed that the Grief Seed Madoka uses to cleanse Homura's Soul Gem at the end of timeline #3 was Sayaka's/Oktavia's? Which reeks to me of Urobuchi just rubbing salt in the wounds for gratuitous tears, but it's not like it's an ineffective move.
Also, Hitomi was kissed by a witch prior to her coming to Sayaka about Kyosuke. I wonder if being freed from the kiss is what made Hitomi decide to confront Sayaka, and how she felt about doing so before the kiss.
It would be interesting to learn if there aren't residual effects to the Witch's Kiss. That would be pretty neat.
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on September 07, 2011, 03:13:27 PM
Gonna throw this. IIRC It was mentioned on a staff interview or something akin to that that Kyousuke can't see Sayaka as a woman, but only as a peer/friend. So no, she would have no chance whatsoever with him. Which leads to what can be called a constant source of crushing grief on all timelines.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on September 07, 2011, 03:23:57 PM
You have heard how it was confirmed that the Grief Seed Madoka uses to cleanse Homura's Soul Gem at the end of timeline #3 was Sayaka's/Oktavia's? Which reeks to me of Urobuchi just rubbing salt in the wounds for gratuitous tears, but it's not like it's an ineffective move.
Goddamit, Urobochi. :V
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Hello Purvis on September 07, 2011, 09:31:39 PM
So. I've been watching this lately (up to Episode 6), and I've ignored this whole thread to avoid spoilers. But it's interesting what expectations do to one.
For instance, the show is supposed to be horribly depressing by every measure I understand. So this left me expecting that everyone would suffer long, drawn out, Oedipus-like accumulations of everything going wrong and horrible. Then Mami...for lack of better terms, gets hit by a bus. As in, shit comes out of nowhere in the space of a few seconds. And I laughed in my soul for this unexpected twist. And this is for a character I rather liked.
Also: Madoka needs to be better about getting people's digits, goddamn. Two times now, she needed to call for help and just didn't have the number.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Paper Conan on September 07, 2011, 10:13:16 PM
Then Mami...for lack of better terms, gets hit by a bus. As in, shit comes out of nowhere in the space of a few seconds. And I laughed in my soul for this unexpected twist. And this is for a character I rather liked.
I find that the best, non-spoilery euphemism for this is that "Mami gets very little screentime in this series".
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on September 07, 2011, 10:18:40 PM
Wonder how easy it'd be to find someone who, at this point, hasn't been spoilered in advance. :V
I'm relatively clean. I know general themes (Shit is going to go downhill and Fuck you Kyubee), but almost no specifics.
But it's fun what expectations of even general stuff can do to ruin things. My reaction to Mami would have been vastly different had I not had expectations. Had I not know it's supposed to be a depressing series, my reaction would have been "Wait...what? They actually did that? Holy shit." There were a few little cues that there's more to Kyubee than meets the eye, and Mami really was setting herself up. But without foreknowledge, I would not have expected what happened at all. As it stands, I expected much worse.
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on September 08, 2011, 06:02:41 AM
I meant specifically about Mami's death, but yeah. I'm kind of feeling like it's an "Aerith dies" thing for other reasons, too.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Hello Purvis on September 08, 2011, 09:19:25 AM
It'll get there. But I managed to play FFVII without knowing about Aeris, either. ...Back in 1999.
Also series finished. I'm pleased.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: n i c o l e on September 08, 2011, 03:45:17 PM
Wonder how easy it'd be to find someone who, at this point, hasn't been spoilered in advance. :V
\o I've avoided spoilers. all I know is things ~get worse~ but that's vague enough and was obvious to me when I read about it. I wanted to finish it today but I've been sick all day smh >:( so I've spent most of my time in bed.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Widermelonz on September 09, 2011, 09:53:44 AM
I watched it while it was airing, but spoilers were still a problem. Then I just went "fuck it, I'll watch it the moment it airs. I don't need to wait for subs" and oh boy I was glad I did that.
Madoka is absolutely fantastic if you go into it fresh. But if you encounter spoilers, that's going to tarnish the experience.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Prody on September 11, 2011, 08:54:55 AM
It is offically known that Mamitta (マミった) or to Mamiru (マミる) means to have your head cut off. So no matter what media on nico you view, as long as someone gets decapicitated in any way, someone is likely to point this out.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Hello Purvis on September 11, 2011, 10:42:48 AM
I am going to be laughing at that for awhile.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on September 11, 2011, 03:29:14 PM
It is offically known that Mamitta (マミった) or to Mamiru (マミる) means to have your head cut off. So no matter what media on nico you view, as long as someone gets decapicitated in any way, someone is likely to point this out.
:V
She was doomed even before the series started.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Paper Conan on September 11, 2011, 10:51:25 PM
I'll be keeping this persona for a while. (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/bestpersona.jpg/) [Minor episode 10 spoilers]
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Mеа on September 12, 2011, 01:09:09 AM
IT CAME OUT? :getdown: brb, looking to see where I can buy it from.
For now, though, you can listen to it on the youtubes (until it gets taken down, of course). Check it out! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfNj0Pxs6Ws)
Also, it's my obligation to pass on the latest source of speculah for Madoka season 2. (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=329083)
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Post by: Berzul on September 22, 2011, 03:20:12 PM
I just watched Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha and I can say that I laugh even more on what Madoka had to offer.... :P
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Stuffman on September 23, 2011, 10:41:44 AM
Season 2 will take place in the Aperture Science laboratory. With Kyubey as GLaDOS.
Most probably Zombie Lolis!
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Paper Conan on September 24, 2011, 02:38:20 AM
So I decided to marathon the rest of the series up to episode 10 to my friend (the one that asked if Madoka
will wish for all the witches to go away
).
During Kyoko and Sayaka's first fight when Homura stepped in to save Sayaka,
he asked me if she could stop time or something
. When Sayaka was cleaning her Soul Gem with a Grief Seed that Kyuubey later ate,
he asked me if they turn into witches if the don't clean their soul gems or something
. When Madoka threw Sayaka's Soul Gem down the bridge,
he asked me if Sayaka was going to die or something
.
I tried my best to keep a poker face and misdirect his thoughts to something completely different (Homura is ninja fast, they lose their Magical Girl status if they don't clean their Soul Gems, Soul Gems are not souls, etc).
That fucker has either been spoiling himself big-time... or he's just really good at guessing what'll happen next. The only time he was surprised was when Kyuubey
ate himself
.
:colbert:
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on September 24, 2011, 03:05:26 AM
That fucker has either been spoiling himself big-time... or he's just really good at guessing what'll happen next.
It could very easily be the second one. I watched Madoka after the series was done with Iced, Matsy, Chaore, and a bunch of other first-time viewers, and I ended up guessing most of the plot twists with ease as well. (Almost all of the major ones, though I didn't care enough about the minor ones to make predictions that can be verified.)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Yukarin on September 24, 2011, 04:14:48 PM
I've been avoiding this thread ever since it was made, because I'm stupid and I haven't watched this beauty yet.
Now I did, and I don't fucking regret it.
Still don't understand the ending though. STILL DON'T.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Hello Purvis on September 24, 2011, 10:29:00 PM
I must use this sequence in real life some day. :getdown:
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Hello Purvis on September 26, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
So. A thing I found myself pondering whilst at home an internetless:
Has it ever been mentioned whether the Kyubee has any way of dealing with witches themselves? Given their plan involve unleashing a literal planet-scale Witch out of Madoka that has enough power to rewrite physics, it seems they would be creating their own doomsday scenario if she ever found them. Which seems like something said witch would want to do after dealing with earth.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on September 26, 2011, 11:23:01 PM
So. A thing I found myself pondering whilst at home an internetless:
Has it ever been mentioned whether the Kyubee has any way of dealing with witches themselves? Given their plan involve unleashing a literal planet-scale Witch out of Madoka that has enough power to rewrite physics, it seems they would be creating their own doomsday scenario if she ever found them. Which seems like something said witch would want to do after dealing with earth.
In my eyes,
Kriemhild's goal is just to engulf the Earth and all of it's inhabitants on her "painless world". Kyubey wouldn't even care about our world's result as long as he has enough energy.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Berzul on September 27, 2011, 12:27:59 AM
So. A thing I found myself pondering whilst at home an internetless:
Has it ever been mentioned whether the Kyubee has any way of dealing with witches themselves? Given their plan involve unleashing a literal planet-scale Witch out of Madoka that has enough power to rewrite physics, it seems they would be creating their own doomsday scenario if she ever found them. Which seems like something said witch would want to do after dealing with earth.
I bet they milk the planet and blow it up for even more "entropy"
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Hello Purvis on September 27, 2011, 12:50:06 AM
Kriemhild's goal is just to engulf the Earth and all of it's inhabitants on her "painless world". Kyubey wouldn't even care about our world's result as long as he has enough energy.
Therein lies the thing,
she wouldn't be just Earth's problem anymore. She's kinda moved on to be a more galactic threat just by the sheer scale and power that she has. And the only other species she knows about is Kyubey's, chances are they'd be next after humanity goes extinct. I suppose one can argue there is an awful lot of space, but I suspect something like her can overcome such an obstacle.[/spoilers]
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Jana on September 27, 2011, 12:59:35 AM
I dunno, I feel like her power is certainly gargantuan on an Earthling scale, but a spacefaring race like Kyuubei's would certainly have a way to deal with it.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on September 27, 2011, 01:33:33 AM
I dunno, I feel like her power is certainly gargantuan on an Earthling scale, but a spacefaring race like Kyuubei's would certainly have a way to deal with it.
This is what I think, actually.
Incubators are fighting against a natural law that threatens the whole universe. Surely a earth rending witch won-t be too much.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on September 27, 2011, 03:54:15 AM
Considering that
they know of the existence of multiple timelines and in the very end even recreated a complete universe, I can totally see it being the case that they would have no problem with a few timelines being completely obliterated in order for the MULTIverse to continue its existence, so to speak.
:derp:
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on September 27, 2011, 06:44:18 AM
Now I have the mental image of a whole planet of Kyubey's being faced with the ultra-witch they created and going "Well shit... ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ " before getting blown up. Considering they weren't capable of stopping Madoka from what she was doing, I'm not quite sure they would be prepared for such a case either
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on September 27, 2011, 01:42:19 PM
There's one more thing to consider.
Even if the wish is mostly due to Madoka's own power, Kyubey had the power to grant it. Who says that after the deed he can't undo wishes (Ep12 was a special case that caused an irreversible change, so it doesn't count)?
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Hello Purvis on September 27, 2011, 10:22:53 PM
It would seem that by the time the witch springs up, it would be well out of their area. Otherwise, it would have been in their interest to manipulate witches too, to make the harvesting more efficient, rather than the slapdash run and find that was going on. And given Kyubey sort of suggested they really don't fully understand the power they're harvesting, as it's foreign to their species, I could easily see them biting off more than they could chew in this regard.
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Post by: Berzul on September 27, 2011, 11:29:43 PM
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: PX on September 28, 2011, 05:15:07 AM
All Grief Syndrome talk should go here: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10781.0.html
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Grand Octopus on October 01, 2011, 10:39:34 PM
Finally got around to marathoning this. My brain's kinda reeling right now, but the functioning part is telling me that this was one of the most enjoyable things I've ever watched. The witch scenes aka let's take the OP from the SZS3 OVA and make it even more freakin' nuts had me manually retrieving my jaw from the floor every time.
Homura vs Walpurgis Night had me manually retrieving my head.
.
Usually after watching something this awesome I'd hunt down all the decent fanart, but after seeing how many goddamn pages there are to sift through I think I'm just gonna sit here and rock slowly back and forth instead.
Oh yeah, Charlotte (the omnomnom part) is adorable.
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on October 02, 2011, 06:19:28 AM
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on October 18, 2011, 09:21:54 PM
A thought I had. (http://kimikomuffin.tumblr.com/post/11617926540)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Alice★f on October 19, 2011, 08:02:51 AM
So I just finished the series. I lost the part after
Madoka sends Homura back to the real world in the very last episode.
Edit: Skimmed the thread some. Reading through the first few pages makes my head hurt and at this rate, I'll end up watching the whole thing again. I just want to know what happened in the end.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on October 19, 2011, 07:33:16 PM
So I just finished the series. I lost the part after
Madoka sends Homura back to the real world in the very last episode.
That's... not quite what happens. But now you give me the image of the English dub replacing the dialogue of that scene with the 30 seconds from here onwards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqtfrj0PtRA&t=10m10s).
... :moogy:
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Post by: VIVItheFujoshi on October 20, 2011, 10:01:57 PM
searching mixes with "Charlotte" theme, found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liLFDLVgaVc one of You Tube comentaries make me smile. "Charley, the slam witch, with a tenacious nature. She dunks everything. She will never give up. Though she is capable of creating infinite amounts of any dime she desires, she is unable to make the cut that she loves most. One could easily catch her off-guard with a jab-and-cross." :V
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: shurcle on October 23, 2011, 05:07:05 AM
I can no longer ignore this. Must watch this animu some time.
Will post something relating to it when I'm done.(estimated two weeks)
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on October 23, 2011, 05:18:16 AM
I can no longer ignore this. Must watch this animu some time.
Will post something relating to it when I'm done.(estimated two weeks)
You should write down your reactions (and later, theories) as you go!
Don't think it'll take two weeks, though. You've only got 12 episodes to go through. That can be done in a single afternoon (if your brain can take it).
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: shurcle on October 23, 2011, 05:25:18 AM
You should write down your reactions (and later, theories) as you go!
Don't think it'll take two weeks, though. You've only got 12 episodes to go through. That can be done in a single afternoon (if your brain can take it).
I'm not great at watching animu. I still need to get stein gates done.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: PX on October 25, 2011, 08:50:36 AM
I love this cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAme1GnVgh8) of Magia
And yes, that is German mixed with Japanese.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Iryan on October 25, 2011, 03:48:45 PM
I love this cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAme1GnVgh8) of Magia
And yes, that is German mixed with Japanese.
/me braces for the german equivalent of engrish /me listens
... :o That is a pretty good translation of the Japanese lyrics, with correct grammar and pronounciation and everything. Would not be surprised if it was translated and sung by an actual German.
I like! :D
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on October 25, 2011, 03:53:12 PM
Would not be surprised if it was translated and sung by an actual German.
This is in fact the case. The credits state Paperblossom, who has done quite a number of really good german fancovers already, and also sung together with StrawbellyCake, whom you may remember from the German Bad Apple :D Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ZXWz5wdcc) the original version the German parts in the mix were taken from.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Quad City QBs on November 02, 2011, 09:37:17 PM
got the Madoka nendoroid, shit is tight (unlike the machining on the arms)
That probably caused all the Madoka fans to band together and make sure all Madoka characters made top 8 :V
It would have been more appropriate if Mami got taken out instead of Homu. But still, I think with finals like that, no matter who loses, everyone wins =D
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: yuyukos on November 05, 2011, 07:13:10 PM
Mami's mammies for president.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Drake on November 05, 2011, 11:41:59 PM
Saimoe essentially just becomes a competition of "whatever girl-centered anime are popular that year" vs "old characters that (nearly) wins pretty much every year that people don't seem to get tired of" and then the one with the most fans/proxies wins. It isn't really an indicator of anything besides hinting at which character people fap to the most.
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Post by: Quad City QBs on November 06, 2011, 08:30:45 PM
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Grand Octopus on November 07, 2011, 07:00:13 PM
DISCLAIMER: THERE IS CONFLICTING INFORMATION FLOATING AROUND ABOUT THIS AND THERE IS A REASONABLE CHANCE IT IS FAKE BUT FUCK IT I'M POSTING IT ANYWAY
(http://s9.postimage.org/gke7zr557/5987624.jpg) (http://s9.postimage.org/j1pz70p1p/5987624.jpg) Madoka Movie (http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/news/2011-11-07/madoka-magica-film-project-launches)
Okay, so now it's looking a lot less likely that the Madoka movie is fake. Get hype.
Edit: There is also a rumour going around (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/11/07-1/madoka-magica-film-trilogy-confirmed-by-newtype) that this will actually be a film trilogy, with the first two movies retelling the series and the third being a new story. As far as I can tell there isn't a decent source on that yet though, so I'd take it with a huge grain of salt.
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Post by: Drake on November 08, 2011, 07:58:39 AM
dat madoka hnnnnnnnghhh
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Zakenna on November 08, 2011, 09:02:13 AM
word on the street is that it's a trilogy movie and that the first two are retelling TV with a third movie of new content...and by street I mean ANN http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-08/madoka-magica-film-project-to-be-trilogy
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on November 08, 2011, 03:31:46 PM
As someone on /u/ said, with any luck, the first two movies will be an alternate retelling like the Utena movie and therefore 1000% gayer than the anime.
Which is to say, bring it on.
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 08, 2011, 04:18:01 PM
<ZengarZombolt> >Incubator no Gyakushu <ZengarZombolt> Tomino x Urobuchi end confirmed <Kazuko-Futsuyuki> >I'll expect an epic fight between Nu-Homura and Q-QB, along with a scene of Homura pushing Madoka's comet-sized grief seed away from earth. My body has been ready for this ever since the beggining of time.
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Post by: Quad City QBs on November 08, 2011, 04:28:42 PM
relevant (funny enough, I actually prepared this months ago for a Madoka RP)
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Post by: Grand Octopus on November 25, 2011, 01:06:54 PM
http://mm.my-gg.com/
It's a teaser website for a "Secret Project" which the PMMM twitter (https://twitter.com/#!/madoka_magica/status/139977010683457536) linked to. :V Presumably it's movie-related. I'm at work so I can't actually look at it properly, but apparently there are 23 different voice clips that can play (written out in Japanese here (http://0taku.livedoor.biz/archives/4025010.html)).
Some of the lines translated:
I still remember Homura clearly, too, even now. I think it's a really wonderful thing that someone can be happy through miracles and magic. I won't let anyone's prayers end in despair! You're all my best friends, from now on, too. The prayers for the sake of someone else are definitely the strongest ones. Everybody, the tiniest of miracles might happen. Let's make a Puella Magi team once again.
Also there's something saying that the site's purpose will be revealed in a few days.
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on November 30, 2011, 07:13:29 AM
So I made a thing :3c (http://kimikomuffin.tumblr.com/post/13537606183/)
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on November 30, 2011, 07:35:20 PM
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Post by: triangles on December 01, 2011, 12:25:25 AM
It's missing the teddy bear and viking magical girls :3
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Post by: Suikama on December 01, 2011, 12:38:52 AM
hey wait why did they skip kyouko in that commercial >:(
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Post by: Quad City QBs on December 03, 2011, 04:42:16 AM
i did a bad thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYbl94qRbKc)
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Post by: Quad City QBs on December 07, 2011, 01:35:55 AM
breaking news: madoka suspends her presidential campaign (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v130/crapitalism/Figures/Madoka/?action=view¤t=DSC_0009.jpg)
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Post by: Grand Octopus on December 17, 2011, 11:23:02 PM
Listening to the English dub is suffering. (http://vimeo.com/33740013)
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Post by: Suikama on December 17, 2011, 11:50:25 PM
Ahahaha it sounds like everyone is voiced by the exact same person
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 18, 2011, 01:29:23 AM
That was... painful. Valentine's Day release date, though! :3
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Post by: Tamer Anode/Cathode on December 18, 2011, 01:34:31 AM
...well, that was underwhelming. Madoka sounds decent, but a lot of the other characters' voices sound unfitting, especially Homura and Kyubey. I was hoping there's be a decent dub for this series so I could introduce it to other people, but I'll probably still consider picking this up anyway.
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Post by: Berzul on December 18, 2011, 02:24:43 AM
Is Kyubey voiced by a female.. or a male? can't tell... Anyways... Is you treasure the life you currently live, well have a good laugh at it :P
Why is that anime voice actors of English must have that... "anime" voice instead of just a normal voice of an "normal" actor you can hear in any other movie or so?
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Post by: UncertainJakutten on December 18, 2011, 03:01:36 AM
Is Kyubey voiced by a female.. or a male? can't tell... Anyways... Is you treasure the life you currently live, well have a good laugh at it :P
Why is that anime voice actors of English must have that... "anime" voice instead of just a normal voice of an "normal" actor you can hear in any other movie or so?
A female! Hilarious, huh?
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Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on December 18, 2011, 05:32:51 AM
I read somewhere that the localization-studio (of ... I forget what show) were forcing the dub-actors to imitate terrible line-readings instead of acting. This doesn't explain the studio's reasoning, though ...
If I had to guess, though, I'd blame the otakus who insist on leaving in "-chan" and "-sempai" unlocalized because they want an "'authentic' 'Japanese' experience."
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Post by: Drake on December 18, 2011, 06:08:07 AM
the voices are pretty disgusting i hope this is a troll by urobochi
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Post by: triangles on December 18, 2011, 04:42:16 PM
I can see how the Madoka voice could work, in the latter part of the clip she actually sounded like an uncertain young teenager. Not so much on some of the others.
A shame but English dubs are really hit or miss, and the ones that are standouts tend not to have mostly teenage girls. And they all have that English Dub Anime Girlvoice which sounds the same no matter who is actually voicing it :derp:
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Post by: Prody on December 18, 2011, 07:27:18 PM
If you can't see the video, there's a bunch of copies on Nico. (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16447184)
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 18, 2011, 09:44:12 PM
I read somewhere that the localization-studio (of ... I forget what show) were forcing the dub-actors to imitate terrible line-readings instead of acting. This doesn't explain the studio's reasoning, though ...
If I had to guess, though, I'd blame the otakus who insist on leaving in "-chan" and "-sempai" unlocalized because they want an "'authentic' 'Japanese' experience."
Maybe it's because they want you to listen to the Japanese version, but are adding half-assed dubs to appease the people who only watch anime dubbed.
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Post by: Paper Conan on December 18, 2011, 10:44:12 PM
I can see how the Madoka voice could work, in the latter part of the clip she actually sounded like an uncertain young teenager. Not so much on some of the others.
A shame but English dubs are really hit or miss, and the ones that are standouts tend not to have mostly teenage girls. And they all have that English Dub Anime Girlvoice which sounds the same no matter who is actually voicing it :derp:
As long as it does not include Tohru MOTHERFUCKING Honda's voice (which is everywhere), it'll be fine. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hmRJA84joU) 0u0
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Post by: Seventh Holy Scripture on December 18, 2011, 11:04:17 PM
I read somewhere that the localization-studio (of ... I forget what show) were forcing the dub-actors to imitate terrible line-readings instead of acting. This doesn't explain the studio's reasoning, though ...
If I had to guess, though, I'd blame the otakus who insist on leaving in "-chan" and "-sempai" unlocalized because they want an "'authentic' 'Japanese' experience."
In my knowledge there are two reasons why dubs tend to be awful:
1) Anime publishers won't pay SAG union rates to voice actors, thus they can employ only newbies who haven't joined the union or those who are willing to secretly do some work on the side. The latter usually get credited under creative pseudonyms like "Dick Smallberries Jr."
2) Everything is recorded in a single take as quickly and cheaply as possible. In the case of the Madoka video, the quality's awful enough I have to wonder if they had the actresses record those lines themselves using computer microphones, rather than getting them together in a sound booth. ???
Of course, those both stem from the same root cause- anime publishers are really cheap. If you look at voice acting gigs with a budget, like video games, Disney's Ghibli releases or any 3D kids' film, most at least aren't embarrassingly bad. Like Matsuri suggested, maybe anime dubs are just being done to appease the devoted fans at this point. (On the flip side, I'm sure there are plenty of people who won't watch dubs no matter how good they are, so really... why bother?)
I don't know why one would deliberately tell voice actors not to act, but I do know the consideration of matching audio to lip movements can result in some pretty stilted English dialogue. I have doubts the typical dub bothers with even that much in the way of direction, though.
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 18, 2011, 11:11:57 PM
Like Matsuri suggested, maybe anime dubs are just being done to appease the devoted fans at this point. (On the flip side, I'm sure there are plenty of people who won't watch dubs no matter how good they are, so really... why bother?)
My theory is that it's done for the sake of sales-- the more people they can draw to it, the more they can sell, after all! If dub-watchers see that it's sub-only, they're going to be turned off, but if they see that it's got English dubs along with the Japanese original, it is more likely to sell for them. Of course, those who don't watch dubs still get the Japanese original, so basically everyone wins.
Except for people who actually like good dubs, at least. BV
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on December 19, 2011, 12:11:12 AM
So I just found out that Homura's voice seiyuu is the same that does Taokaka's voice in Blazblue. :derp:
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Post by: Prody on December 19, 2011, 10:41:49 AM
So I just found out that Homura's voice seiyuu is the same that does Taokaka's voice in Blazblue. :derp:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/29gom13.jpg) On topic, I myself don't mind watching dubs at all. Whether they're good or bad, it's interesting to hear something different.
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on December 19, 2011, 07:53:19 PM
That trailer was practically screaming for a parody.
Title: Re: Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever
Post by: CS on December 20, 2011, 03:29:05 AM
So... Hitomi's the main character, Madoka's a black man, Sayaka's her worst enemy, Junko sounds like Gollum (from LoTR), Homura's the transfer dawg, Mami's big boooooooooooooooobs, Kyubey's a magical rapist, Kyouko's an aggressive lesbian and it's directed by Mr. DRUUUUUUUGS...
seems legit.
At 0:56... oo so this series would be seen through Fuminori's eyes, I see...
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Post by: Drake on December 20, 2011, 03:46:13 AM