Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: Lord Phantasm Satori on August 24, 2010, 09:57:54 PM
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well, there's a thread for stupid theories, so there should be a thread for serious ones. I don't have one, so hopefully it will start with the next post.
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Isn't this already covered by the "Miscelleanous Questions" Thread?
Also, low content OP. :derp:
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How could Remilia and Flandre be vampires since they were born? They were surely bitten by vampires. And they were told that they were descendants of dracula just to make them believe it, that's why ZUN denies it. Maybe by their parents...Maybe by some strangers...but, just agree with me that, this isn't so crazy. Specially with this fact:
Flandre is around 495 years old. Remilia is over 500. They would have to be around the same age. But, in fact, Flandre seems to be half Remi's age.
This wasn't prooved in cannon, but, if we consider vampires as youkai, they shouldn't be bitten to be born as a one. However, vampires CAN transform others, and this is the only way to explain the age thing.
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Isn't this already covered by the "Miscelleanous Questions" Thread?
Pretty much.
Also, low content OP. :derp:
This, too.
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Flandre is around 495 years old. Remilia is over 500. They would have to be around the same age. But, in fact, Flandre seems to be half Remi's age.
flan and remi are usually shown looking around the same age, so I don't know what you're talking about there. she might act less mature, yeah, but then again she's also been locked in a goddamn basement the entire time--not exactly a keen maturation environment
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Maybe Remilia is just a little bit shorty...xD
But being locked in a basement doesn't mean she'd be less mature!It may bring lunacy or/and psychological problems (lack of attention; depression) but, being locked in a basement would actually make you more mature, it's not like time (mentally, of course) stopped.
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I'm pretty sure Flandre is supposed to be about 5 years younger than Remilia.
Actually, it could make her less mature. Fewer opportunities to interact with other people and learn about the world means that mental maturation would be almost impossible.
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If only we had a thread for miscellaneous questions such as this. Preferably stickied.
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Maybe Remilia is just a little bit shorty...xD
But being locked in a basement doesn't mean she'd be less mature!It may bring lunacy or/and psychological problems (lack of attention; depression) but, being locked in a basement would actually make you more mature, it's not like time (mentally, of course) stopped.
I'm pretty sure the mental maturation of youkai are different than that of humans. Look at Tewi(over 1000). Or Cirno(over 60). Or Suika(really old).
also in canon, flandre is heavily implied to be a willing shut-in at this point, so wooo psyche issues.
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Yeah, but this is to argue possibilities of covering plotholes of the games, the questions can be about ANYTHING. Or the only one who thinks that way is me...?
Anyway,let's TRY to get into Flandre's mind ...Um... You would be asking yourself things, and the more things you ask, you can realize more things and understand more things. It's just philosophy.
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'Questions about anything' is what 'miscellaneous' means.
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I figured this thread would be for things that aren't covered in canon. Similarly, we're not asking questions in the "stupid theories" thread, so why not have the same thing for this thread?
I don't see how theory=question, honestly.
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Anyway,let's TRY to get into Flandre's mind ...Um... You would be asking yourself things, and the more things you ask, you can realize more things and understand more things. It's just philosophy.
except the lack of external stimuli would severely limit the conclusions one would come to.
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*facepalm*
That's why.
This is proposal of theories.
The other one is for anything anyone likes to ask.
And with "Or am I the only on who thinks that way...?" I meant: The only one who thinks that this should be a separated thread is me...?
*sigh* I just don't think that it's necessary to eliminate this thread.
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except the lack of external stimuli would severely limit the conclusions one would come to.
But she is still a living thing, isn't she? She can begin there. Or even, she can begin by asking herself why would her sister do that to her. Just a little bit of knowledge can be transformed into a lot.
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But she is still a living thing, isn't she? She can begin there. Or even, she can begin by asking herself why would her sister do that to her. Just a little bit of knowledge can be transformed into a lot.
Have you ever, like, y'know, been around a kid? They don't ask things like "why do I exist" or "what is the nature of life". They ask "why isn't dinner here yet?", "why does my bear pop when I go kyuu at it?" and "why is sakuya's hair so shiny"
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*facepalm*
That's why.
This is proposal of theories.
The other one is for anything anyone likes to ask.
And with "Or am I the only on who thinks that way...?" I meant: The only one who thinks that this should be a separated thread is me...?
*sigh* I just don't think that it's necessary to eliminate this thread.
I think that way.
The way I see it, both Flandre and Remilia decided that Flandre should be isolated. I don't think Flandre wants to destroy everything, and she sees her power as more of a curse than a blessing. After 495+ years, she certainly understands the extent of her power.
I'm not sure there's a lot for her to think about, really. She probably understands perfectly well what's going on, and though she doesn't like it, she accepts it.
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Have you ever, like, y'know, been around a kid? They don't ask things like "why do I exist" or "what is the nature of life". They ask "why isn't dinner here yet?", "why does my bear pop when I go kyuu at it?" and "why is sakuya's hair so shiny"
...why is Sakuya's hair so shiny? :/
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...why is Sakuya's hair so shiny? :/
It must be her conditioner.
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...why is Sakuya's hair so shiny? :/
L?Or?al. Because she's worth it.
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Someone like Flandre would. Although you may not realize, she notices and knows what happens around her. There ARE depressed kids in the world.
She stays there willingly. She surely understands that she has that power and she respects her sister. Besides she can get out whenever she wants but she doesn't do it.
Flandre acts like a child that doesn't know anything. However, if she was as curious as a child she would jump out of the basement everytime. (Well, she did it ONCE. We are lucky that she has restrained herself)
What I mean is that she sure acts immature, but not the way that the cause of it is staying in the basement.
She is mature and immature like that. If only we knew more than just some dialogues and some actions...
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Someone like Flandre would. Although you may not realize, she notices and knows what happens around her.
She stays there willingly. She surely understands that she has that power and she respects her sister. Besides she can get out whenever she wants but she doesn't do it.
Flandre acts like a child that doesn't know anything. However, if she was as curious as a child she would jump out of the basement everytime. (Well, she did it ONCE. We are lucky that she has restrained herself)
What I mean is that she sure acts immature, but not the way that the cause of it is staying in the basement.
She is mature and immature like that. If only we knew more than just some dialogues and some actions...
I don't know, man, it sounds like you're filling in plenty between the lines on your own.
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I don't know, man, it sounds like you're filling in plenty between the lines on your own.
Isn't that pretty much what a theory does?
A good deal of what he said was canonical, anyway.
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No, but where I live, I see lots of sad kids selling things in the streets and I often wondered (when I was a kid) how they feel (Besides, if only you've heard or seen what they do to those poor kids...) And now I know that they knew more of life than what I did when I was a kid. I think that's the way Flandre is. She knows about life.
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yeah, kids who are mistreated think differently than kids who aren't. I personally don't understand why she was kept in a basement all her life. I can sort of understand why she was kept there before they came, but after arriving at Gensyoko, I don't understand why she has to stay there... other than that being the reason why she won't be put in any more Touhou games :P
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It's because Remilia is stubborn. (Besides form being egocentric, childish, capricious, etc...and the fact that she needs a nanny xD)
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Flandre should just escape. she has the power, she knows theres an outside because she's fought with reimu and marisa. so she should break out and either see gensyoko, or go nuts all over gensyoko.
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Flandre should just escape. she has the power, she knows theres an outside because she's fought with reimu and marisa. so she should break out and either see gensyoko, or go nuts all over gensyoko.
Yeah, she could, but she respects her sister enough that she wouldn't.
And she/Remilia would think that she needs to stay there because of the whole "INSTANT DESTRUCTION OF ANYTHING" problem. Just because she's in Gensokyo doesn't change that little bump in the road.
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Okay, this's turned to proyect "Let's get Flandre out" xD
If Flandre wanted, she would have done it.
So, we can't just take her out against her will *sigh*
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okay, why the hell would she WANT to stay there? the only reason she isn't leaving is because she has no idea what she's missing. she was invited to the hakurei shrine, but she never took up on that offer (unless she was shown there at the ending. I've never gotten to that) and why on earth would she respect the one who's kept her locked up all her life? yeah, they're family, but Remilia seems to keep her locked up 'cause of her powers... well, I think the flandre thing has hit a dead end.
I've got another subject to discuss: Hakurei's god. who is she (could be a he, but I doubt it, so I'll keep saying she), and why hasn't she shown her face like Kanako? After stage 1 of Touhou 10, Reimu says "I hope my shrine's god is stronger" or something to that effect. At first I thought it was Mima, but then I noticed that she wrecked the shring in Touhou 2. Then I thought that it could be Reimu, but then I realized that she wouldn't refer to herself in third person like that. also, she's human. so here's my theory: the shrine has no god, and Reimu is gathering faith for herself to become a god! why else would she try to snuff out Moriya shrine when it appeared?
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The Hakurei Shrine actually serves a huge number of 'small gods', to borrow Terry Pratchett's term. From what we know there's around or at least eight million of them in Gensokyo not counting the Moriyas. I don't know who the original major deities in Gensokyo are but they certainly aren't being serviced by the Moriya-no-jinja or Byakuren's establishment, so they have to go to Reimu.
We know Lord Enma is around somewhere because Eiki and Komachi are his employees, but I believe his worshiper base is outside the Border. If he has any stake inside Gensokyo it would have to be at the Hakurei Shrine as well.
A bit of a chilling thought, actually. Apart from being the erstwhile guardian of the Border Reimu may also be the life support for hordes of ailing divinities. What happens to all of them when she dies or quits?
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I don't think Reimu was even trying to snuff out the Moriyas for faith during the events of MoF. It was more along the lines of "you've caused an incident, now it's time to put an end to it", just like most of the other times she's messed around with incident solving and shit. From what I can gather, Reimu wasn't even aware of another shrine until a certain point in MoF (at the very end of the Stage 4, to be exact).
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There are mental disorders such as schizoid personality disorder (look it up) that make you not WANT contact with other people most of the time. Flandre could very easily have one. As for the age thing, I, too noticed that they were 5 years apart, but didn't actually look like it. The most obvious solution is that Remilia waited until Flandre had grown to the same age Remilia was when she was turned, then turned her into a vampire herself. Canonically, though, Remilia can't turn other people into vampires. Why? Because she is a light eater and can't drink all their blood. Why? Presumably because she's a child and her smaller stomach can't hold as much. But children also have less blood... Therefore, I think Remilia's inability to create new vampires isn't absolute; she could turn a child (or a midget) into a vampire if she wanted to. And surely she wants to keep her dear little sister around.
Now, here's another theory of mine: Hong Meiling is also a former human. Specifically, she used to be a human martial artist who practiced chi manipulation, which is both her canonically listed power as well as a practice of certain eastern martial arts practitioners. Chi is life energy and cultivating it is supposed to increase health and even extend lifespan (as well as enable various supernatural martial arts feats). Therefore, I suspect that in Gensokyo, practicing chi manipulation/cultivation is another route to immortality as a youkai, much like becoming a magician-type youkai.
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Now, here's another theory of mine: Hong Meiling is also a former human. Specifically, she used to be a human martial artist who practiced chi manipulation, which is both her canonically listed power as well as a practice of certain eastern martial arts practitioners. Chi is life energy and cultivating it is supposed to increase health and even extend lifespan (as well as enable various supernatural martial arts feats). Therefore, I suspect that in Gensokyo, practicing chi manipulation/cultivation is another route to immortality as a youkai, much like becoming a magician-type youkai.
Willing to support this. I like it a lot better than the "hurr she's a dragon" thing.
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http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,4268.msg189501.html#msg189501
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,4268.msg189698.html#msg189698
Yeah, screw you guys.
I don't like this thread. I would much rather have multiple threads for serious theories. The reason being, with stupid theories nobody has to continue posting. Most of the theories get ignored entirely, and so they can be kept all to one thread. For more serious theories, you need a fairly large discussion or else the theory goes nowhere. Having all serious theories go into one thread just begs for even more theories to be thrown in, which clogs up everything and nothing gets properly discussed at all.
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There are mental disorders such as schizoid personality disorder (look it up) that make you not WANT contact with other people most of the time. Flandre could very easily have one. As for the age thing, I, too noticed that they were 5 years apart, but didn't actually look like it. The most obvious solution is that Remilia waited until Flandre had grown to the same age Remilia was when she was turned, then turned her into a vampire herself. Canonically, though, Remilia can't turn other people into vampires. Why? Because she is a light eater and can't drink all their blood. Why? Presumably because she's a child and her smaller stomach can't hold as much. But children also have less blood... Therefore, I think Remilia's inability to create new vampires isn't absolute; she could turn a child (or a midget) into a vampire if she wanted to. And surely she wants to keep her dear little sister around
I don't think Flan doesn't want to see people. She wants to play with Marisa and everyone but she is feared that the little brat Remilia will be angry and punish her. I would slap Remilia in face with all my might. Yes, she saved the life of Sakuya and Meiling but she is sooo egoistic and selfish.
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Gonna have to agree with Drake. Not to mention a good portion of this thread could've been taken care of in Misc Questions.
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I don't think Flan doesn't want to see people. She wants to play with Marisa and everyone but
I stopped reading here. What were you saying, again? Didn't quite catch that.
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Why is everyone in this topic so cross?
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-There's a problem with trying to properly discuss things in what is trying to be a megathread.
-Debate includes a certain degree of crossness by default, some people feel they need to take it to the levels of CAPS LOCK and WITTY REMARKS LIKE THIS.
-The other half of that problem is that people take heated counter-arguments as personal attacks and label it as crossness.
-People have an annoying tendency to throw out suggestions in a serious thread based on their own come-upperies, which may thoroughly aggravate others.
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For me the problem with a "serious topics" megathread is that as we've seen on page 1 already, most of this gets taken care of by Miscellaneous questions (Why is Flandre in the basement? Who's the Hakurei god?). Second, as Drake mentioned, "serious" theories, when given their own topic, encourage discussion on -that- topic - discussion can get nurtured and fleshed out to a greater extent. But making a serious theories megathread encourages others to throw in their own theories, which sort of results in a jumbled mess, as this thread already is not two pages in. The difference between that and Misc Questions is, with Misc Questions, there's a specific thing being asked, which either has a canonical answer or "no one knows". Serious theories deserve greater fleshing out, and greater discussion. A megathread - which encourages others to toss in their own theories - sort of makes that pretty hard to do.
There's nothing stopping anyone from starting their own "serious theory" thread, on any topic, and personally, I would LOVE to see more of them. They are far and away my favorite threads in TARC. I just think a "serious theories" megathread gets in the way of its own purpose.
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@Ammy: This is why parts of the Misc Question Thread irked me before, because I felt like it was absorbing topics that could have stood on its own in the forum proper. Also that any and all topics phrased in the form of a question would get merged into the topic without actually examining whether it was a 'misc' question or not.
Two things i'd like to say real quick. I'm agreeing with Drake and Tengukami's points here. Megathreading 'Serious theories' in TARC would be like megathreading all the text-adventures in RPG. It's kinda defeating the purpose of why we have an entire forum for this sort of thing.
Also @Drake and re: Artemis's 'cross' comment: I enjoy seeing you express your opinion as I agree with it most of the time, but you need to be a little bit more polite about it Drake. :| Mainly looking at the "Yeah, screw you guys" and the "What did you say? Didn't catch that" tidbits here.
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@Ammy: This is why parts of the Misc Question Thread irked me before, because I felt like it was absorbing topics that could have stood on its own in the forum proper. Also that any and all topics phrased in the form of a question would get merged into the topic without actually examining whether it was a 'misc' question or not.
In retrospect I've long since seen this to be the case, and am in total agreement with you.
Two things i'd like to say real quick. I'm agreeing with Drake and Tengukami's points here. Megathreading 'Serious theories' in TARC would be like megathreading all the text-adventures in RPG. It's kinda defeating the purpose of why we have an entire forum for this sort of thing.
Thank you. This very succintly sums up what I've been trying to convey here from the start.
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Alright, I understand what you're trying to say. If you'd like to break this into separate threads, then go on ahead. Not like you actually need my say-so to do it, but you know what I mean.
And with all due respect, Drake, I understand your point. You could be a bit less dickish about it, though.
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This thread should be renamed to "Why is Flandre in the basement" or something like that.
Anyways, I recommend going back and reading all the actual official works/dialogues that involves Flandre. It shouldn't be too hard because there are only like, two and a half of them (her conversations in EoSD, her Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red Interview, and her EoSD profile. Feel free to read her PMiSS article too, if you want to, but that one's largely just a reiteration of things you should already know combined with a bunch of "well duh" speculations by Akyu)
As far as I can tell from these things:
1. Flandre is actually very mature sometimes, as far as I can tell. She's incredibly coherent in the three dialogues she's involved in (EoSD's dialogue with Reimu, dialogue with Marisa, and BoJR) and if anything, she's sometimes possibly even more mature than Remilia if she isn't lying when she talks about her in BoJR (where Flandre comments that Remilia overexaggerates the control of her fate changing abilities). Although on a grander scale, Remilia's probably more mature (since Flandre just sticks to the basement while Remilia will actively get involved in or at least consider the bigger picture if needed, as shown in IN, IaMP, and SWR)
She is described however as "emotionally unstable". We never actually see the full extent of this in any of the three dialogues she's involved in, though (although depending on how you look at things, there might be some small subtexts and implications of it in her extra stage dialogues here and there). Presumably it manifests in how she just tends to get carried away sometimes (like when she tries to eat a human, as mentioned in PMiSS. That's the only example of emotional instability I've ever seen regarding Flandre, really, but it is admittingly enough to show why Remilia would want to keep Flandre locked up)
2. Flandre might have never left the basement in hundreds of years, but she's still exposed to "outer stimuli" because she has some amount of Omniscience (the ability to know everything). We don't know the exact range and extent of this Omniscience, but she can clearly SEE beyond the basement. She saw the entire events of EoSD from the moment the heroines entered the mansion (possibly sooner) despite being in the basement the whole time (her dialogues in EoSD). It's possible her ability to view things extends into outerspace and beyond, since she was able to see the eye of the meteor. In fact, the way her power works is that she can see the eye of anything as if it were in the palm of her hand. This is probably where her omniscience comes from, although again, we don't know the full range of it. This is lampshaded by PMiSS, where Akyu specificaly states that the range of her power is unknown. It's possible that Flandre can see almost EVERYTHING in order to be able to see the eye of everything. At the very least, we know that her ability to see the eye of things extends into orbit, and thus likely her omniscience has this amount of range as well.
...at any rate, she is clearly able to see outside stimuli. For whatever reason, she chooses to not go out and interact with it most of the time (however, it is likely she's tried to go out before, considering that Patchouli already knows what to do whenever Flandre wants to go out. See point 4.
3. Combining the two above points, Flandre must be pretty naive. She has lots of omniscience and saw what was going on in the Scarlet Devil Mansion, yet says she never saw humans before. She doesn't even know she's eating humans according to her official profile. Does she even know that Sakuya is human? Well, it's possible that her omniscience works in such a way that it's hard for her to identify such details, especially if it primarily works mostly just by her seeing the eye of things, in which case, the version of EoSD's events that she saw must have seemed like some strange acid trip. ....actually, if the entire world and everything else by her gets viewed in some strange psychedelic "eye of things" way, this might explain her unstable personality and insanity.
4. Flandre is "locked up" in the basement, but can easily get out whenever she wants to. This is shown in the storyline of the Extra stage, where she easily just comes on out because she wants to go to the Hakurei Shrine too. This is likely something that doesn't happen very often. It's probably a decent enough assumption that this exception occurred because Reimu is special (storyline-wise, Reimu has this sort of effect on people. Check out Koichi's official prologue for example)
It's not particularly disastrous whenever this happens. At least, Remilia doesn't appear to be very worried in the Extra stage's backstory. Poor Patchouli is a bit freaked out, though, but that's probably because she's the one tasked to keeping Flandre inside while Remilia and Sakuya are away.
Patchouli contains Flandre by making it rain, by the way. For all of Flandre's power, she still has the typical vampire weaknesses and thus can't leave the mansion as long as Patchouli is making it rain. It does not appear that Flandre is aware that Patchouli is the one doing this (in her Extra stage dialogue, Flandre is dissappointed that it's raining so she can't go out after all but doesn't mention Patchouli, so she's probably unaware that Patchouli is the one causing the rain)
5. For what it's worth, in IN, Remilia is considering getting Flandre a tutor. Course, maybe she's just joking since at 495 years, it's a bit late for THAT.
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This thread should be renamed to "Why is Flandre in the basement" or something like that.
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Well, Flandre and Remilia are kids.
Firstly: Kids are stubborn and conservative. I like thinking Remilia's in her early teens, so she has a little more maturity than Flandre, but not much. Also, have you seen the tantrums some kids throw? Especially if they are spoiled.. Flandre throwing a tantrum could spell doom for whoever is nearby.
Secondly: According to BunBunmaru, Flandre has apparently stayed willingly in the basement. She probably wants to go out, and is able to escape, yet we also know that she respects her older sister very much.
Thirdly: Kids have an ability to forget sadness quickly and wake up every day with the notion: "Hey, it's a new day, and I can start all over! Today will be great!", no matter how terrible yesterday was. Also, some kids have streaks of perfectly healthy sociopathy that dissapears with time.
If Remilia has a good relationship with her little sister(500 years is a lot of time, you guys), she should logically be able to keep her entertained, make her feel loved, and keep her position as the beloved older sister.
Furthermore, I like thinking that Flandre is an intelligent girl. So she won't escape with her powers, because she wants to show Remilia what a good girl she can be, alternatively she might be punished for using them. And she wants to be as much of a normal kid as is possible, too. So she stays in her role a a cute little sister, even if it imprisons her.
Why is she in the basement? Didn't you have the feeling when you were a child, "If I ignore it, I don't have to think about it and it will go away"?
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Tiamat's #4 remark hits nails on the head for speculation.
Well, Flandre and Remilia are kids.
Negative.
rest of the stuff
Flan is docile. Obeys and respects her sister, because ZUN said so.
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Tbh, the Flan thing in the basement is pretty much explained in her biography that both ZUN and Akyu has given her. So as to WHY she's in the basement should known already if you do a bit of research.
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Negative.
If you're going by age, then they're far from kids. Going by their mental states, however, they pretty much are.
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Why is Flandre in the basement?
There was no room in the kitchen
*shot*
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If you're going by age, then they're far from kids. Going by their mental states, however, they pretty much are.
However, 500 years of being a kid mentally isn't the same as normally growing up as a kid. I would assume that neither of them are purely cranky crybabies. Both have shown to be far more mature than their respective body ages, and that goes for pretty much every youkai out there. Just because they stopped aging physically doesn't mean they've stopped mentally.
If you're talking solely about Remi and Flan acting like children, please elaborate.
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However, 500 years of being a kid mentally isn't the same as normally growing up as a kid. I would assume that neither of them are purely cranky crybabies. Both have shown to be far more mature than their respective body ages, and that goes for pretty much every youkai out there. Just because they stopped aging physically doesn't mean they've stopped mentally.
If you're talking solely about Remi and Flan acting like children, please elaborate.
I do agree with this, however, we can not assume that vampire's do not learn or grow up mentally as quickly as humans.
Remember, ZUN says that youkai (youkai being anything non-human really) think a lot differently than humans. So that can obviously play a role on their mental state.
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2. Flandre might have never left the basement in hundreds of years, but she's still exposed to "outer stimuli" because she has some amount of Omniscience (the ability to know everything). We don't know the exact range and extent of this Omniscience, but she can clearly SEE beyond the basement. She saw the entire events of EoSD from the moment the heroines entered the mansion (possibly sooner) despite being in the basement the whole time (her dialogues in EoSD). It's possible her ability to view things extends into outerspace and beyond, since she was able to see the eye of the meteor. In fact, the way her power works is that she can see the eye of anything as if it were in the palm of her hand. This is probably where her omniscience comes from, although again, we don't know the full range of it. This is lampshaded by PMiSS, where Akyu specificaly states that the range of her power is unknown. It's possible that Flandre can see almost EVERYTHING in order to be able to see the eye of everything. At the very least, we know that her ability to see the eye of things extends into orbit, and thus likely her omniscience has this amount of range as well.
...at any rate, she is clearly able to see outside stimuli. For whatever reason, she chooses to not go out and interact with it most of the time (however, it is likely she's tried to go out before, considering that Patchouli already knows what to do whenever Flandre wants to go out. See point 4.
3. Combining the two above points, Flandre must be pretty naive. She has lots of omniscience and saw what was going on in the Scarlet Devil Mansion, yet says she never saw humans before. She doesn't even know she's eating humans according to her official profile. Does she even know that Sakuya is human? Well, it's possible that her omniscience works in such a way that it's hard for her to identify such details, especially if it primarily works mostly just by her seeing the eye of things, in which case, the version of EoSD's events that she saw must have seemed like some strange acid trip. ....actually, if the entire world and everything else by her gets viewed in some strange psychedelic "eye of things" way, this might explain her unstable personality and insanity.
Well, I think that her omnisense is just her power to see the eyes of the things, and maybe she recognized humans' eyes (This theory is only possible if human's eyes were different, but let's think that they are)
She doesn't know that she eats humans because Sakuya and co. (fairy maids) make the dishes look like normal food.
Her unstable personality might be because she is too over powered (?)
But, I don't know everything of what I said for sure, I was trying to help a little bit 'round here...
At least almost all of us agree that she respects her sister too much to try to escape...
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A bit off topic, but all this talk about the two (or, well, at least Flan?) eating humans is bugging me... are they already-dead (natural causes, youkai mauling, accidental deaths, etc.) humans or "special" (criminals and whatnot) living ones that are killed specifically for food?
Or is it just the blood?
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A bit off topic, but all this talk about the two (or, well, at least Flan?) eating humans is bugging me... are they already-dead (natural causes, youkai mauling, accidental deaths, etc.) humans or "special" (criminals and whatnot) living ones that are killed specifically for food?
Or is it just the blood?
Remilia never kills them. Flandre, on the other side, never actually attacks them. The humans are left alive. Or so I've read...
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I'm not sure if it's specifically stated on whether the humans they use are alive or dead. However, given the atmosphere of Touhou, I would assume they're fresh corpses rather than live humans. I'm guessing, the fairies and Sakuya would have to go about dismembering the corpse, once they haul it in, and then drain it of it's blood for later use of the mistress and her sister. Although my grimdark side wants to believe that if a live human does happen to present him/herself to the Scarlet Sisters then there's going to be a problem for him/her when lunchtime rolls around. I don't really like to blow out speculation, but this is all I know.
Need to brush up more on my canon, it seems...
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touhou wiki:
She is a light eater. In other words, she can drink only a little blood at a time and must leave the rest behind, so the humans off of whom she feeds become a bit anemic, but usually stay alive
They are alive.
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touhou wiki:
She is a light eater. In other words, she can drink only a little blood at a time and must leave the rest behind, so the humans off of whom she feeds become a bit anemic, but usually stay alive
They are alive.
Usually.
I'm not sure if it's specifically stated on whether the humans they use are alive or dead. However, given the atmosphere of Touhou, I would assume they're fresh corpses rather than live humans. I'm guessing, the fairies and Sakuya would have to go about dismembering the corpse, once they haul it in, and then drain it of it's blood for later use of the mistress and her sister. Although my grimdark side wants to believe that if a live human does happen to present him/herself to the Scarlet Sisters then there's going to be a problem for him/her when lunchtime rolls around. I don't really like to blow out speculation, but this is all I know.
Need to brush up more on my canon, it seems...
Going off of IN's extra stage dialogue, she only drinks the blood of those who fear her, so her victims are definitely alive.
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And the ones she feeds on become aenemic. Like Patchoulli.
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*facepalm*
Usually stays
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They were -and they usually keep - alive.
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Er, what? "Usually stay alive" has a pretty clear meaning to me.
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Oh, sorry, I thought the same person post that. (i didn't see that it was Esoterica, I thought it was Tapeworm Erebus)
My bad!
Well, we've discussed what they eat, why does Flandre stays in the basement...I just have a doubt left...why are vampires born in families with money? (<-- It's true, btw, and that's the reason why vampires are egocentric -mostly)
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.I just have a doubt left...why are vampires born in families with money? (
Descendant of Vlad Tepes. Bank account with lots of zeroes behind it.
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Descendant of Vlad Tepes. Bank account with lots of zeroes behind it.
This quote with Helepolis saying it with that avatar makes me smile so much.
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she's not an actual descendant, she just likes to tell everyone that she is.
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But, not EVERY vampire is descendant of Dracula. Not even the Scarlet sisters!
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Regardless of her descent, having fate powers and 500 years to accumulate wealth with kinda makes her *not* being rich much less likely.
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she's not an actual descendant, she just likes to tell everyone that she is.
Neither it's known if she is lying or not. We'll have to take her word on as it is simply unknown. And will be unknown for ever.
Never mind that. Profile states she is not. I GOT TRICKED ALL THESE YEARS!
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Neither it's known if she is lying or not. We'll have to take her word on as it is simply unknown. And will be unknown for ever.
ZUN clearly denied that fact though :P (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Remilia_Scarlet#Fun_Facts)
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I'm pretty sure Flandre said she was lying.
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Flandre says a lot of things.
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I'm pretty sure Flandre said she was lying.
lying about what? when she talked about Remi in BAiJR? She said she was lying about always knowing what's going to happen. I always assumed that Flandre was a- unaware of her sister's powers b- didn't believe her - but Remilia controls fate. that's for sure.
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ZUN clearly denied that fact though :P (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Remilia_Scarlet#Fun_Facts)
Instead of linking to Fun Facts, which has had a history of being laden with crap, you should link to the actual proof. (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Remilia_Scarlet#Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil_-_.E3.81.8A.E3.81.BE.E3.81.91.txt)
She swears that she is a descendant of Tepes, but nobody is certain whether she is truly related to the Vlad "Dracula" Tepes.
Well, let it be known that she is not.
The Music Room notes it too. Flan's word isn't much to go on, but yeah she isn't (don't tell anyone).
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But it'd be hard not to know:
way 1- ZUN>we heard everything he says> we know
way 2-ZUN>touhou wiki> us
There are even friends of mine that knows that she isn't descendant of dracula xD!
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Regardless of her descent, having fate powers and 500 years to accumulate wealth with kinda makes her *not* being rich much less likely.
This is a good point. Pick up some common, everyday item, wait a few centuries, and you have a valuable antique. Where time = money, vampires are ballin'.
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Instead of linking to Fun Facts, which has had a history of being laden with crap, you should link to the actual proof. (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Remilia_Scarlet#Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil_-_.E3.81.8A.E3.81.BE.E3.81.91.txt)
She swears that she is a descendant of Tepes, but nobody is certain whether she is truly related to the Vlad "Dracula" Tepes.
Well, let it be known that she is not.
The Music Room notes it too. Flan's word isn't much to go on, but yeah she isn't (don't tell anyone).
I do swear I did hear/read an interview of him stating it, but I can't find it >.<
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A bit off topic, but all this talk about the two (or, well, at least Flan?) eating humans is bugging me... are they already-dead (natural causes, youkai mauling, accidental deaths, etc.) humans or "special" (criminals and whatnot) living ones that are killed specifically for food?
Flandre and Remilia used to hunt. Now the youkai give them food as part of the deal with the vampires in Gensoukyo (see PMiSS). So now Remi and Flan aren't really supposed to attack humans. At least not attack them seriously.
As for Flans general omniscience, while we can't sure how much she sees, she might make a reference to boundary teams IN extra scenario (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Imperishable_Night:_Boundary_Team%27s_Extra) her in her interview with Aya. (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Article_and_Interview:_Flandre) Or ZUN could have reused the joke. I personally don't think it's funny enough to reuse but maybe I'm missing something in the original Japanese.
For quick reference
IN Extra: Reimu and Yukari say manjuu are scary.
Flandre in BAiJiR: "Ah, manjuu aren't scary at all.''
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Flandre and Remilia used to hunt. Now the youkai give them food as part of the deal with the vampires in Gensoukyo (see PMiSS). So now Remi and Flan aren't really supposed to attack humans. At least not attack them seriously.
As for Flans general omniscience, while we can't sure how much she sees, she might make a reference to boundary teams IN extra scenario (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Imperishable_Night:_Boundary_Team%27s_Extra) her in her interview with Aya. (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Article_and_Interview:_Flandre) Or ZUN could have reused the joke. I personally don't think it's funny enough to reuse but maybe I'm missing something in the original Japanese.
For quick reference
IN Extra: Reimu and Yukari say manjuu are scary.
Flandre in BAiJiR: "Ah, manjuu aren't scary at all.''
Yukari is joking around (Because they were on a trial of guts and she says manjuu randomly, I THINK). I'm not sure of what to say of Flandre...
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Yeah, with Yukari it's a joke, but why is Flandre referencing the same joke later?
My personal pet theory is Flandre just knows things via her insanity, but Tiamat may be onto something....
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Because Flandre was a good girl, she knew herself is dangerous and wanted to die, probably from accidentally killing too many dear friends. However, Remilia hadn't had the heart to do it, so she kept Flandre in the basement, while using her ability of control fate to change that fact.
While she was at it, nearly found the way, Sakuya tripped and the hot tea flew at Remilia, thus startled the vampire.
So now Flandre is mentally damaged and Sakuya's main job is cleaning the house.
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While she was at it, nearly found the way, Sakuya tripped and the hot tea flew at Remilia, thus startled the vampire.
THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING! :toot:
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Yeah, with Yukari it's a joke, but why is Flandre referencing the same joke later?
My personal pet theory is Flandre just knows things via her insanity, but Tiamat may be onto something....
Her insanity allows her to break the fourth wall. Remember when she talks about continuing? She sees the player! She reads the Touhou wiki! SHE'S READING THIS THREAD RIGHT NOW!!! OH SHI
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um... that happens alot in the pc-98 games. and the game we're talking about is the first windows game, so there isn't much to that.
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Flandre is everywhere and can do anything.
She knows you and will put you in a island if she thinks that you need it.
She'll kyuu the unbelievers.
Flandre.Is. Chuck. Norris.
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:flamingv:
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:flamingv:
Yukari would've been better? xD Kanako?
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Flandre, Remilia, Yukari may as well know perfect English, so say your prayer. Now.
Maybe I am Yukari. Maybe IcedFairy is Sakuya, maybe YOU are Flandre.
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Flandre, Remilia, Yukari may as well know perfect English, so say your prayer. Now.
Maybe I am Yukari. Maybe IcedFairy is Sakuya, maybe YOU are Flandre.
I'm pretty sure I'm Maribel (?) so don't suspect me...Hey, really, don't...
...DON'T LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT!
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I guess this "serious topic" isn't as serious anymore?
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I was actually serious about this.
Because Flandre was a good girl, she knew herself is dangerous and wanted to die, probably from accidentally killing too many dear friends. However, Remilia hadn't had the heart to do it, so she kept Flandre in the basement, while using her ability of control fate to change that fact.
While she was at it, nearly found the way, Sakuya tripped and the hot tea flew at Remilia, thus startled the vampire.
So now Flandre is mentally damaged and Sakuya's main job is cleaning the house.
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I know, but I couldn't make any sense of it.
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Seriously you people. The answer to this topic was given by a smart person on page #2.
Tbh, the Flan thing in the basement is pretty much explained in her biography that both ZUN and Akyu has given her. So as to WHY she's in the basement should known already if you do a bit of research.
You need a new serious theory , because thread is losing focus.