Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Help Me, Eirin! => Topic started by: ArteShy on August 04, 2010, 05:31:21 PM
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So, anyone bombed in panic because the bullets were moving so fast and stuff like this even when you did not want to bomb?
It happens to me quite often in SA and UFO.
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So many times that I can't even give a valid list of the exact number in which I panicbombed. Although, i can say alot of it was during the time when I sucked major balls at Touhou.
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Um ... yes? All the time. Like, even in Stage 1 sometimes. It's like they say: "Better to bomb than to PICH-UN".
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It's actually the opposite for me- I try to avoid panicbombing so much that I end up derping with 6+ bombs left, especially on UFO.
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I used to, but after learning the ins and outs of the series it's become less common to be overcome by panic. It's important to know when to give up and when you have a chance.
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I try not to (because I like bonuses), but I don't think I've had a run without panic bombing in one of the later stages.
So, yeah. Too many times t'count really.
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I can guarantee you there isn't a person that's played Touhou that hasn't had a case of panic bombing.
Still, it's better to use your bombs than to die with bombs in stock.
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When i die with bombs left i feel like i wasted them.
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I used to panic bomb a lot, especially when there were a ton of bullets on the screen, but I don't do it as much anymore since almost always those bullets have tiny hitboxes.
Now to work on remembering I have bombs when I think I don't.
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After a while you get a general idea of what you can and can't dodge. Before then, panicbombing isn't really uncommon.
But hey, it's better to panicbomb than die with bombs in stock.
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I have a really bad habit of pretty much doing deathbombs only. Even in EoSD, more than half of my bombs are often deathbombs, despite the super-stingy deathbomb timer in that game.
Anyway, I found that lunatic MoF was fairly difficult for me unlike for everyone else (where it's the easiest or second easiest). It KIND OF helped teach me to bomb earlier. So now I don't really think I panic bomb so much like you describe, but sometimes now I bomb, and then I realize after the bomb goes off "hey wait, I didn't even need to bomb, I was totally safe".
This normally happens when I fail to notice bullets or lasers until they are already really close to me (happens alot on spells like extending aaaaaarm, or pretty much any spell where bullets/lasers bounce off walls), If they are too close, I don't think I can safely read their trajectory in time, so I just bomb, and then I notice a second later that they weren't a threat at all.
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At least you guys aren't like me when you panic bomb AFTER THE CARD HAS ENDED.
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At least you guys aren't like me when you panic bomb AFTER THE CARD HAS ENDED.
Does panicbombing during the last millisecond of the card count? (After the boss is technically dead but before everything blows up into points.)
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In tiers.
7. Not bombing and instead dying with bombs in stock of which using would be more advantageous than dying. You are a fucktard.
6.5. Dying because of below. Stop that.
6. Consciously trying to time a bomb so it ends up as a deathbomb. You are either a fucktard or are playing EoSD.
5. Bombing because you know what's coming and don't want to deal with it (i.e. durrr cheese)
4. Bombing because of panic.
3. Bombing because you know what's coming and shouldn't deal with it either because of skill, imminent death or desperation.
2. Bombing because this wave looks particularly hard and tackling it might kill you.
1. Bombing because this dodge looks particularly hard and you should probably not tackle it / There's a wall you can't dodge / Bad judgment in previous dodge.
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Bombing because you accidentally hit that button instead of focus.
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they're on different sides of Z how can you even do that
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fat fingers not everybody uses a keyboard
also remaps
speaking of remaps, i sometimes forget to re-enable it after alt-tabbing to irc and swapping back resulting me in bombing instead of shootan :ohdear:
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I often die because I'm trying to ~confidence dodge~ after failing a part beforehand. Usually I'll be thinking to myself "ok, now I gotta make up for that failure, let's do this!"
Doesn't work out, and I do it all the time. Almost every run.
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they're on different sides of Z how can you even do that
Using this awesome Hori stick that I bought and messed up mapping stuff in Xpadder. So during that PCB run I had no focus button. Only two bomb buttons.
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In tiers:
0.3: Doing any of the above (especially 6) and then realizing you had no bombs in stock. :derp:
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that would be higher not lower
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Sorta tangentially related, but how about that feeling when you try to bomb because of <tier 5 and up>, and you realize only then that you're out of bombs?
I've done some of my craziest and weirdest dodges during those moments. :x
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8: charging in to do a point blank bomb only to realize you don't have any
happens too much to me
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At least you guys aren't like me when you panic bomb AFTER THE CARD HAS ENDED.
Oh wow how dumb I felt when I first did that!! I'm glad someone has done it too :)
One time, it was a wall coming at me. Right when I hit x, the card ended, with the wall about a cm away from me. The next time was worse; I was playing as Sakuya B, fighting Youmu's stage 6 midboss card, saw a huuuuge wave of purple bullets flying in my face after I managed to dodge the first few waves, and bombed before they were even close to me. And then defeated Youmu right while my bomb was going off.
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that would be higher not lower
Oh, wow I'm a derp, I read the tiers backwards :derp:
At least you guys aren't like me when you panic bomb AFTER THE CARD HAS ENDED.
I tried to train myself against that reflex, but it backfired; I have a tendency to die because of at the end of an attack tell myself not to bomb and then get killed by the last bullet before the get cleared off the screen (Usually thanks to Suwako and her uber-fast green amulet non-spell :fail: )
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Blue's Danmaku DictionaryTM
Deathbomb - n. - A panicbomb that happens to be both necessary and timely.
That said, I have accidentally bombed at times when I'd explicitly decided for one reason or another that I'd rather die than bomb (e.g. playing in practice mode specifically to cap a given card).
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Blue's Danmaku DictionaryTM
Deathbomb - n. - A panicbomb that happens to be both necessary and timely.
It's not really panic bombing when you are trying to score in MoF. :V
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(9) Bomb once to clear screen, charge to bomb again at shotgun range and clip a bullet while charging (ha ha invincibility frames). Replace Bombing with dying if necessary
People like me bomb when they first see one of the following on lunatic
MoF:
Minoriko Aki second nonspell
Hina's first and second nonspell
AYA's second motherfuckinghaxspeed nonspell
SA: Satori's second (maybe first too)
Satori's terrifying Hypnotism
Stage 4 clippy laserspam
Maybe Danmaku Paranoia
PCB:
Phantasm's pre midboss surprise stream
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I always bomb what troubles me the most when practicing and what i feel i have consistency on i try to capture. Unless i get uncomfortable. I'd rather use my bombs quickly and dodge till' i die than die with bombs in stock.
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At least you guys aren't like me when you panic bomb AFTER THE CARD HAS ENDED.
Or even worst: when your keyboard both has input lag and the annoying tendency to continue depressing keys after you've let go of them. Too many times I've i) died ii) bomb goes off right after I die iii) another bomb goes off right after that one FFFFFFFFFFFFF
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Panicbombing is actually a good habit unless you're trying to score high or something. If you are panicing, chances are you're not ready to handle what's coming to you and Touhou gives you loads of bombs anyway so it's just good to use them and not risk wasting them. Then you can freely try all the crazy dodges you like when the bomb stock is empty. When you get more familiar with the game, you'll panic less and therefore also panicbomb less.
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. When you get more familiar with the game, you'll panic less and therefore also panicbomb less.
And in my case, die more. :(
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Yes, save the bomb-free attempts for Practice Start.
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Update on my panicbombing: I've gotta a lot better at it since the last post. Some bullets are very tricky with their hitbox size (lookin' at you, bubble-like things).
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Update on my panicbombing: I've gotta a lot better at it since the last post. Some bullets are very tricky with their hitbox size (lookin' at you, bubble-like things).
Metal Fatigue.
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I panic bomb like mad, since I forced myself onto Hard when I had never played Touhou before, and have never gone down, save for SA.
But looking back, half the attacks I panic bomb, I can cap. I usually can't cap half of Chen's Stage 2 cards, due to p-bombing, but if I don't bomb, I can cap them. This ends up getting me to Stage 3 before having to Continue. But wether I panic bomb or not, well, it's basicly random.
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Metal Fatigue.
Hm? (and to add to the topic: I was doing a shits-and-giggles Hard run of EoSD last night.. I bombed right as a spellcard's bullets were becoming points. :V )
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(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050617225230/touhou/images/9/97/Th06sc19.jpg)
Metal Fatigue is the spellcard above, exclusive to MarisaB's Patchy fight on Normal. The bullets used in the card are commonly referred to as "Metal Fatigue bullets" and are notorious for having iffy hitboxes in EoSD.
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(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050617225230/touhou/images/9/97/Th06sc19.jpg)
Metal Fatigue is the spellcard above, exclusive to MarisaB's Patchy fight on Normal. The bullets used in the card are commonly referred to as "Metal Fatigue bullets" and are notorious for having iffy hitboxes in EoSD.
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060103184746/touhou/images/a/aa/StBsc03.jpg)
I actually meant those things t'ward the bottom. They look a bit like rings, but I call 'em bubbles for whatever reason. The hitbox starts toward the clear center, right?
But Metal Fatigue bullets are bad about it as well. (In fact, the only thing that doesn't seem to have wonky hitboxes are the smaller bullets...)
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Yes, those are indeed called bubbles. I believe their hitboxes actually start at the colored part just inside the white border. This is specific to EoSD though, as in all subsequent games only the black center (approximately) can kill you.
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I love the bubbles.