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~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: Deity Link on July 23, 2010, 12:42:36 PM

Title: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Deity Link on July 23, 2010, 12:42:36 PM
Since the last touhoe who get her own game (Aya) became a slut for the fandom, is Cirno safe?
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Vicks on July 23, 2010, 12:43:51 PM
The question is, was Cirno ever safe?
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Chronojet ⚙ Dragon on July 23, 2010, 12:58:13 PM
Thing is, now everyone is no longer safe.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Sen on July 23, 2010, 01:42:50 PM
I am utterly sick of Cirno by this point

LOL CHIRUNO IS A 9 SHE'S SUCH A BAKA SHE HAET SUWACKO LOL LOL LOL
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Bananamatic on July 23, 2010, 02:04:32 PM
I am utterly sick of Cirno by this point

Ha ha, old chap! CHIRUNO IS A 9 SHE'S SUCH A BAKA SHE HAET SUWACKO Ha ha, old chap! Ha ha, old chap! Ha ha, old chap!
truth
not that cirno is no longer safe, she is already dead for several years from all the weeaboos and newfags
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Iryan on July 23, 2010, 02:06:41 PM
truth
not that cirno is no longer safe, she is already dead for several years from all the weeaboos and newfags
That is what a selective mind is for.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: 日巫子 on July 23, 2010, 03:23:46 PM
Yeah, Cirno's been so warped by all the (9) and THE STRONGEST and stuff, we don't need to worry about her having the same issues as Sanae and Aya.

Where did it all go wrong?!
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Drake on July 23, 2010, 05:04:19 PM
People are certainly trying to force it on her.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on July 23, 2010, 05:22:19 PM
Hataters gonna hatate.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 05:31:40 PM
Hataters gonna hatate.

You're fond of this, aren't you?
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on July 23, 2010, 05:38:10 PM
Sorry. (http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w88/KimikoMuffin/pipe3.gif)
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 05:46:40 PM
Ah, don't be. I'm not even staff anymore; just rattling your chain.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: nintendonut888 on July 23, 2010, 06:00:06 PM
I am utterly sick of Cirno by this point

Ha ha, old chap! CHIRUNO IS A 9 SHE'S SUCH A BAKA SHE HAET SUWACKO Ha ha, old chap! Ha ha, old chap! Ha ha, old chap!

I'm utterly sick of people seeing only the fanon Cirno that acts like this. >.>

If fanon decides to twist Cirno even more as a result of this game, whoopdeedoo. Anyone who likes Cirno isn't going to suddenly be turned off by her starring in a game, and the people who hate her for the aforementioned reasons aren't going to hate her more for any reasons they don't already have.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 06:02:43 PM
For real. Who the hell cares what ridiculous memes people invent about your favorite girls? If you start treating fanon like gospel you're already giving it too much power. As an Aya fan, believe me, you have to learn to shrug that stuff off.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on July 23, 2010, 06:12:50 PM
How could people hate Cirno? I find her funny hehe
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Drake on July 23, 2010, 06:28:47 PM
it's cool to hate popular things durr
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Lord Phantasm Satori on July 23, 2010, 08:19:44 PM
lol. I think the biggest factor of the hatred is the whole advent cirno thing. I hate that, but not cirno herself!
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Drake on July 23, 2010, 08:29:29 PM
What the hell man, Advent Cirno is awesome.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Bias Bus on July 23, 2010, 08:32:04 PM
Quote
Touhou fanshit hate
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/OwlBear1337/Screens/asura_grin.png)

I would go on and on about how I hate just about every aspect of Touhou fandumb, but I'm just gonna sit back and see what you guys come up with.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Iryan on July 23, 2010, 08:34:22 PM
ITT people have opinions.


And Erebus put that thing away god I agree with you but argh that face that grin terror fear nightmares
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Iced Fairy on July 23, 2010, 09:19:37 PM
Really while I'm sure I'll be surprised, I can't really see the fanbase changing Cirno too much.  She's been around since EoSD so her personalities pretty well established in fannon so there won't be as much impetus to change anything.  In addition her defining characteristic (idiocy/naivety) falls under the "stupid easy to write" category, so unlike Alice she doesn't have to worry about all the bad writers keelhauling her personality to try to find a story hook.  Sometimes simplicity is a virtue.

I expect a few meta jokes, a few bad doujin, and not much changing on a grand scale.

The three fairies of light on the other hand....
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Tengukami on July 23, 2010, 09:25:55 PM
When confronted with silly fanon crap, the proper response is shrug and/or roll your eyes, and move on. Save your hatred for something that really deserves it. Like Mima fans.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Esifex on July 23, 2010, 10:16:57 PM
Save your hatred for something that really deserves it. Like Mima fans.

Ha, HA. Zing!
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Mounting Jaggis on July 24, 2010, 02:13:20 AM
Something I found silly since UNL is the a lot of people said "ZUN only added Cirno to UNL because she is popular, stop catering to the fanboys and bring back Mima/Sakuya instead"
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: shadowbringer on July 24, 2010, 02:30:12 AM
When confronted with silly fanon crap, the proper response is shrug and/or roll your eyes, and move on. Save your hatred for something that really deserves it. Like Mima fans.

don't listen to this guy, why would people hate me? ;(


about the topic, though.. sure, Cirno has appeared quite a lot in the games (and I honestly liked to play as her in PoFV. Her ability to convert some of the onscreen shots into chainable shots, plus my ability to get all greedy over score, should explain why), but.. have people considered that it would be pointless ( or at least feel strange ) to have a powerful character to fight the 3 (or 5, if Daiyousei and Lily White are in -- if the game's limited to fairy characters) fairies? And/or that ZUN may have thought of a gameplay which would fit with Cirno better than with someone else?
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Ghaleon on July 24, 2010, 02:38:12 AM
words words words.. The bottom line is Cirno is a slut!

Though honestly I don't think that it will take off as it did for Aya/Sanae. I myself don't like cirno, but I don't hate her. She's just a meh character IMO.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Myschi on July 24, 2010, 02:44:53 AM
Something I found silly since UNL is the a lot of people said "ZUN only added Cirno to UNL because she is popular, stop catering to the fanboys and bring back Mima/Sakuya instead"

Oh that is /hilarious/. But I agree with Ghaleon, I think Cirno's kinda... wedged herself into the fandom enough to where the 'Cirno is a slut' thing will only be some kind'a half-assed meme at best.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Esifex on July 24, 2010, 02:46:38 AM
Cirno is obligatory comedic relief. Maybe a little ditzy, perhaps a bit of an idiot, but that doesn't mean she's like, retarded to the point of having no common sense or something. She's a fairy. She happens to have the ability to manipulate the cold, and to form ice. Ice can be pretty potent - it's dense, if it breaks and falls apart, all you have to do is melt it down and then freeze it again and it's just as strong as it was before... science science science Touhou logic magic magic, Cirno just happens to have been lucky enough to have gotten an ability that can actually be pretty powerful. Ergo, she's a fairly high-key character - except she's not a full human or full youkai, so, short straw.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Tengukami on July 24, 2010, 03:24:49 AM
Cirno's charm is in being both childish and child-like. She can be stubborn, a braggart, and arrogant, but her boasts, being empty, have this innocent charm to them. She's arguably one of Touhou's iconic characters. And she's fun to play against in StB. So, yeah. She deserves it.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Cadmas on July 24, 2010, 03:47:46 AM
If anything happens it will be a bunch of fan artwork
and more Cirno porn.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Lord Phantasm Satori on July 24, 2010, 07:22:27 AM
seeing that I am not a yuri fan, that's not high on my want list. (not futa either)

other than that, it's just the advent cirno thing. I mean, yeah, cirno vaguely sounds like children. so what?! at least make it with someone who ALREADY has a sword, like youmu. It would annoy me still, but to less of a degree.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: trancehime on July 24, 2010, 07:24:54 AM
This is a bigger problem than it should be because there are so many goddamn people that treat fanon like the god source of material even if it isn't. People need to lay off that stuff. Cirno is Cirno, nothing more. People are free to think of Cirno as whatever she is, but when they start parading it around like it's the real deal and completely ignore canon, something is definitely wrong.

This isn't a matter of whether "Cirno's safe" or not, this is a matter of whether people will take the fanon epidemic even more seriously than usual.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Lord Phantasm Satori on July 24, 2010, 07:30:31 AM
I think we're all just wanting to find something to hate on while we wait for Touhou 13
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Unassuming Squid on July 24, 2010, 07:37:04 AM
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Cirno's character is easy for even the dumbest person to depict. It would take actual work for someone to screw her up.

Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: trancehime on July 24, 2010, 07:39:46 AM
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Cirno's character is easy for even the dumbest person to depict. It would take actual work for someone to screw her up.

My dear, that would depend on your definition of "screw her up."

:3c

Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Unassuming Squid on July 24, 2010, 07:43:17 AM
My dear, that would depend on your definition of "screw her up."

:3c
......oh God.

I feel dirty.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Hello Purvis on July 24, 2010, 09:04:09 AM
I'm utterly sick of people seeing only the fanon Cirno that acts like this. >.>

If fanon decides to twist Cirno even more as a result of this game, whoopdeedoo. Anyone who likes Cirno isn't going to suddenly be turned off by her starring in a game, and the people who hate her for the aforementioned reasons aren't going to hate her more for any reasons they don't already have.

Seen, me brejen.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: KomeijiKoishi on July 24, 2010, 09:56:15 AM
I don't worry too much about Cirno as well. After all, Aya got her own game pretty much immediately after she got introduced, and the community knows Cirno for years now. If they don't pull a 180, it should be fine.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on July 24, 2010, 08:08:56 PM
I think we're all just wanting to find something to hate on while we wait for Touhou 13
Can I hate on all the haters? :3
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Esifex on July 24, 2010, 08:54:34 PM
Can I hate on all the haters? :3
You just wanna say 'Hataters gone Hatate' again, don't you?

Fiiiine. Go ahead. One more time. But then you gotta let it rest for a bit.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Ayuka on July 24, 2010, 08:56:53 PM
That pun is the str- *shot*
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Bias Bus on July 24, 2010, 09:24:20 PM
You just wanna say 'Hataters gone Hatate' again, don't you?

Fiiiine. Go ahead. One more time. But then you gotta let it rest for a bit.
Now that you bring this up, has anyone drawn a "Hataters gonna Hatate" image before?
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Tengukami on July 24, 2010, 09:25:10 PM
I don't know, but if not, someone should.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Blackraptor on July 24, 2010, 09:30:23 PM
Still holding out for a clever troll by ZUN when he bundles the demo for Touhou 13 with Touhou 12.8.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Vanishing Sock Puppet on July 24, 2010, 09:38:40 PM
Cirno's going to be fine. Nothing in the game implies anything that could change her personality or create any memes.

Besides, she's in a game with the three mischievous fairies! They make everyone the appear around look better. Hell, Cirno appearing in Oriental Sacred place made me like her. I doubt anything bad can happen, right?

...Right?
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: 日巫子 on July 24, 2010, 10:02:27 PM
I don't know, but if not, someone should.

Hataters Gonna Hatate (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/632/hatatersgonnahatate.png)

Did it for ya.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Tengukami on July 24, 2010, 10:03:20 PM
Perfect. Saved.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Hello Purvis on July 24, 2010, 10:04:48 PM
Hataters Gonna Hatate (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/632/hatatersgonnahatate.png)

Did it for ya.


Excellent!
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Serela on July 24, 2010, 10:08:34 PM
Hataters Gonna Hatate (http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/632/hatatersgonnahatate.png)

Did it for ya.

And the game-personalized version! (http://twitpic.com/27sloh/full)
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Lord Phantasm Satori on July 25, 2010, 01:53:55 AM
Still holding out for a clever troll by ZUN when he bundles the demo for Touhou 13 with Touhou 12.8.

rofl. really? is that something he would do?

I got into Touhou after the release of Double Spoiler, so this is my first 'waiting for a Touhou game to be released' session.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Tengukami on July 25, 2010, 01:58:41 AM
Ah, welcome. Enjoy your inevitable insomnia when you reach the 24 hour mark.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Lord Phantasm Satori on July 25, 2010, 02:10:18 AM
um... thanks? I think...
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Tengukami on July 25, 2010, 02:11:37 AM
No, really. I love the countdown. It's exciting to see everyone chatting and speculating in the final hours.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Deity Link on July 25, 2010, 04:45:42 AM
HERE IT COMES (http://desuchan.net/touhou/src/1280009043528.jpg)
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Ayuka on July 25, 2010, 04:53:25 AM
What the...
Cirno-Sanae? o.0
I don't get it. Unless it's because Sanae is a main character, but that's kind of a stretch.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Bias Bus on July 25, 2010, 04:58:00 AM
HERE IT COMES (http://desuchan.net/touhou/src/1280009043528.jpg)
and
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/OwlBear1337/Screens/odz_came.png)

Getting my mind from between those tits, I'm not exactly getting why they would want a combo of Cirno and Sanae. It would have been better understood if it were Aya since, she also went her own way with StB, but Sanae doesn't seem to fit this trope.

Leave it to fanon...
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Solais on July 25, 2010, 09:36:17 AM
I actually hope that the 3MF will get more popular with this game.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Tengukami on July 25, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
A game combined with the new manga pretty much guarantees the three magic fairies will see at least a temporary upswing in popularity.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Deity Link on July 25, 2010, 03:25:46 PM
What the...
Cirno-Sanae? o.0
I don't get it.

Both were boss, then became playable characters. The authour meant that Cirno is taking Sanae's path, which ends with... (http://desuchan.net/touhou/thumb/1269453589065s.jpg)

I can already hear Cirno say "

"Sir... Shall I COOL your for a little?"
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: nintendonut888 on July 25, 2010, 06:31:51 PM
Both were boss, then became playable characters.

You realize this goes for Sanae and Cirno...and Remilia...and Yuyuko...and Sakuya...and Marisa...and everyone who isn't Reimu?

Heck, isn't Marisa the biggest attention hog of them all, being in all but the first game in some capacity? :P
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on July 25, 2010, 07:00:07 PM
Cirno is not yet the level of Mari Ari fandom yet.

and I am the latter's fan.

am I terrible?

also, I feel it would be new memes for the 3 fairies more than cirno.

Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Lord Phantasm Satori on July 25, 2010, 08:23:03 PM
memes aren't memes if nobody wants any to start.

anyway, I'm pretty sure there's gonna be more than just the fairies we already know. I'm assuming this is going to be similar to the normal Touhou games except with cirno, and an added ability to freeze danmaku in place. Since it was described as a 'danmaku freezing game'.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Blackraptor on July 25, 2010, 09:08:03 PM
What I really want to know is what the music for this game will be like. Remixes of Cirno's theme over and over again?
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on July 25, 2010, 09:15:38 PM
I'm guessing all original. :V
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Esifex on July 25, 2010, 09:42:09 PM
We're too late - Cirno's been mackin' it for a loooooong time.

[NSFW]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/kincaidvannekin/cirnobestest.jpg[/NSFW]

<Nobu> A touch NSFW, but also past image size limits too so this is 1.4 birds with one stone. :derp:
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: shadowbringer on July 25, 2010, 10:07:38 PM
What I really want to know is what the music for this game will be like. Remixes of Cirno's theme over and over again?

Now that you mention it.. I wonder if there would be remixes of each of the 3 fairies' themes, which are nice imho. (also, I wonder if there may be new characters? *waits patiently, warmly :p*)
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: jigglyppuff8 on July 25, 2010, 11:46:54 PM
What I really want to know is what the music for this game will be like. Remixes of Cirno's theme over and over again?
The Refrain of the Lovely Great War please~♥
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Lord Phantasm Satori on July 26, 2010, 06:01:16 AM
well fairies have always been pushed around by reimu and marisa and others, so its good that they're getting their own game. Perhaps Reimu will be the final boss? :derp:

I really hope there are at least a few non-fairies in the game. Daiyousai (sp?), Koakuma, and Tokiko for starters.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on July 26, 2010, 06:06:42 AM
I really hope there are at least a few non-fairies in the game. Daiyousai
Daiyousei ->  大妖精 -> literally: 'Big/Great Fairy'
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Iced Fairy on July 26, 2010, 06:24:38 AM
Yep, Dai-chan's got a passable chance, as she's a fairy and she appeared in the manga (even if she didn't get a speaking role).

Koa appeared as well interestingly, but I'm not going to make any bets there.  I'd find it totally awesome if she did appear though.  Same with Tokiko.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Kayin on July 26, 2010, 06:53:45 AM
Some people in this thread seriously need to cool down. :V
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Prody on July 26, 2010, 08:08:29 AM
Some people in this thread seriously need to cool down. :V

For a more dramatic effect, put on some sunglasses before the "cool down"
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Sriggle on July 26, 2010, 11:35:46 AM
Cirno game? Heck yeah!

Frankly, Cirno is a natural part of Gensokyo, are..

She's been around so long, and has been featured in multiple games. So, are, I think the deal with Sanae and and Aya were that they were given playing roles too early. So I wouldn't worry about out little nine-ball, there might even be more fanart for her after this. Oh, and Cirno game~~Just think about it.
Title: Re: I'm seriously afraid for Cirno now....
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on July 26, 2010, 08:54:52 PM
What I really want to know is what the music for this game will be like. Remixes of Cirno's theme over and over again?
Well, "Fairy Wars" makes me think of the title appearing in yellow outlines, flying away from the camera into a starfield, accompanied by orchestral brass ...

Some people in this thread seriously need to cool down. :V
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w88/KimikoMuffin/miami-yeah.jpg) (http://dizzy.pestermom.com/instantCSI/)