Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: Kinzo the Astro Curious on March 31, 2010, 11:22:56 PM
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Well I've got mechwarrior 3 up and running now, So here we discuss what were gonna do, how were gonna do it.
I only know of Hamachi different clients was recommended in another thread.
Also probably gonna have to match version numbers. Ive just got plain version 1 i think but I have a patch for 1.2, if it proves neccesary. however its working as I installed it, so If I dont need to patch it, I wont bother lol.
Post here if your interested!
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I got MW4...
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I got MW4...
Goddammit, after seeing 3 mentioned a few times I thought you'd had it, I'd somehow missed where you said you had 4 and not 3 :/ gah!
I've only got 3 on me at the moment :V
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Got 3 finally working correctly. Hopefully tomorrow we can find a good time to play.
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I've got MW3 on a CD somewhere here. Always prefered MW4 though
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I can probably get hold of MW4 at some point, But always felt MW4 was lacking somewhere compared to 3, I dont know why. Also I dont know how well it'll run for everyone, my computers quite the shitter :V
I've got MW3 up and running, and I've got Hamachi installed and operational.
Network:
thundrsarmy
Password:
yuuka
Alright axman we'll give it a shot tonight!
Doomsday93 be good to see another player if you can stand playing the older version lol.
Once again any recommendations of another network client if there is one with better features, especially inclusion of voice over - as my computers far too crap to run skype or msn at the same time as playing a game unfortunately.
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Everyone knows its all about MW: Living Legends.
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Buy me a new computer or a fishtank of liquid nitrogen to immerse my computer in, then we'll talk :V
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Okay, so at what time?
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Okay, so at what time?
I'm not really doing anything now if im honest lol. Half tempted to start MW3 just for 1 player as it is :V
so anytime tonight now.
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So yeah, I never even played MW4;
I'll see if I can free up some disc space around here and get my copy of MW3 to run.
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cool :]
Imagine if its on tonight It'll probably be starting at 11 gmt, or 4 hours time. I think thats roughly when we got started yesterday, If Axmans up for another go.
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Definitely. I'll be ready at that time.
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If we're starting at 11pm, then I'll be there. All lights are green here
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That's a good time, and if my computer decides to stop being a whore by then and I haven't left for cinema, I'll be there. I think.
I'm having some compatibility issues. :s
halp
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Hmm I didn't suffer any issues here suprisingly, Windows 7 pro and its not even running in compatability mode.
Whats going wrong? Axman might be of more use here as hes had some issues too I think.
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Intro doesn't load. Meh I can live without that.
Then my joystick's kinda messed up, and the game's not reacting with force feedback like it did, but I kinda know how to fix that.
In-game it runs perfectly, except the little models for my mech and the target right and left of the screen don't appear properly.
It occasionally crashes for absolutely no reason, including fucking up with the whole Windows and I have to force the PC to shutdown.
D:
Btw, about the joystick part,
if anyone can find me a place to download
the bloody ForceFeedback 2 software I'd be immensely grateful.
I lost my disk containing it(as in, by brother fucking stole it and I'll never see it again), and I've looked all over the internet for many times and still can't find it.
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You mean this?
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/17241
Dunno if its exactly what your after, surely can't be as it took two seconds to find :V
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You dick >:C
It is, but it doesn't work D:
Anyway, thanks.
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I dont get the intro vid either unfortunately so your not the only one with that issue.
I'm good running kb and mouse myself. I could try controller, but I haven't practiced with one in MW3... ever.
And its 11pm... all aboard the Hamachi network!
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I got the intro vid without much problems.
Though the whole crashing thing well makes up for that benefit.
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I might have solved the joystick issue.
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I might have solved the joystick issue.
Get in the damn network already so we can be sure there are no issues with that :V
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damn crashes kicking me out 5 minutes into the game :ohdear:
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Kill yoink! :]
Also lol my turn to be beaten by physics. curses!
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Crashes are quite random I must say.
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The crashing problem happens when you fly over a mech or crash into them, right? I bet your jump jets don't let you get off the ground, and your feet might even get stuck if you move at a high speed.
There's a bunch of stuff to try, I can't remember all of it. Dig around here http://www.mechwarrior3.org/wforum/viewforum.php?f=57
I recall something about trying to put more load on your video card by turning all the settings up, using really old drivers (like 2004 or earlier), and a "resolution patch" of some kind. You better upgrade to 1.2 if you haven't already, too.
Peregren's first post in this page has the download link for the resolution patch thing http://www.mechwarrior3.org/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=4217 Unfortunately, you have to register and log in to get it.
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Thanks! Now that I figured out what crashed me on each loading screen (Another program I was running conflicted with it apparently, I didn't need it running anyway) we can probably play without as much risk.
Though I'm still trying to figure out what crashed Doomsday on our first match...
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Yeah. I'm still not sure what crashed me then. I'm gonna try installing a different verison of MW3 I have and see if it runs any better (I doubt it would make a difference, but it wouldn't hurt to try)
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Glad to see were getting some progress here. Haven't got around to researching any alternative network clients though.
So link up at 11 again i guess?
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The crashing problem happens when you fly over a mech or crash into them, right? I bet your jump jets don't let you get off the ground, and your feet might even get stuck if you move at a high speed.
There's a bunch of stuff to try, I can't remember all of it. Dig around here http://www.mechwarrior3.org/wforum/viewforum.php?f=57
I recall something about trying to put more load on your video card by turning all the settings up, using really old drivers (like 2004 or earlier), and a "resolution patch" of some kind. You better upgrade to 1.2 if you haven't already, too.
Peregren's first post in this page has the download link for the resolution patch thing http://www.mechwarrior3.org/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=4217 Unfortunately, you have to register and log in to get it.
any interest in joining the matches ERPPC? thanks for the heads up on some solutions :D
also i didn't realise it at first, the name being a reference to the weapon in mw3, right? :V
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Are we game tonight?
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If you're game, then yeah
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Imma walk my dog, and then we can are game. Torpedo wa?
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Shit just seen this, been a bit preoccupied tonight. Can have a game quick, everyone seems to be online!
Maybe some PofV as well?
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Sure. I've still got some time
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Ok, I just tried mine.... every mech in the game basically does the GET DOWN dance, LMAO
So.. uh.... I'm not going to be playing until I figure that out. I think it's because I have really new drivers for my card, but who knows.
Haven't got around to researching any alternative network clients though.
Game Ranger supports Mech 3, and I'm pretty sure it isn't anything more than a match-maker, unlike hamachi.
You can also use the TCP/IP connection method in game (I'm pretty sure you can even just host, and have the joiners leave the IP field blank when they search; should find you easily).
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To be honest, out current way of connecting with MW3 (Hamachi) works fairly well, apart from the odd player drop.
Then again, at least 1 person drops every round :ohdear:
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Though I'm still trying to figure out what crashed Doomsday on our first match...
If you're speaking of the match that I saw on youtube, then its because his Puma got too close to you, heh
If I recall correctly, the "install old drivers" gimmick is supposed to fix this problem specifically. I'm boned, because my HD 2400 doesn't support drivers back far enough. :(
Oh, and the way to fix the "GET DOWN glitch" is to set Mech3's compatibility to Windows 95 or whatever.
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Hooray for training! I played a match with HakureiSM before that, unfortunately, so I didn't know how to do crazy tricks.
Now I humor myself by attaching 12 16 Pulse Laser (M)s on a Daishi and MELTING ALL THE AI MECHS WITH MY MAGNIFYING GLASS AHAHAHAHA holy crap this is incredibly stupid
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Choja: "HEY A COOL BIG BUTTON WHAT DOES THIS DO?"
/me instaexplodes.
Choja: "HEY THAT WAS AWESOME LET ME TRY AGAIN"
/me instaexplodes.
Choja, trying to understand alpha-strike. :V
ALSO BABY I RUN FAST AND PACK LRMS BEAT THAT BITCH
MOTHERFUCKING PUMA SHIT CAN'T CLIMB SHIT YOUR FUCK I'M STUCK NO NO NO NO NO
/me explodes.
HakureiSM, trapped in Lakebed's seabound canal.
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Choja: "HEY A COOL BIG BUTTON WHAT DOES THIS DO?"
/me instaexplodes.
Choja: "HEY THAT WAS AWESOME LET ME TRY AGAIN"
/me instaexplodes.
Choja, trying to understand alpha-strike. :V
After training, I learned that you're not really supposed to use alpha-strike with 12 ER Lasers. Ever.
Still, considering that I actually killed you with that under the best circumstances (deep water, the heat actually almost overlimited), I can't stop laughing at what I did.
I need to ask, even after training, I haven't learned what O is supposed to do because I press it during firing, it tells me "Automatic shutdown disengaged", but it still activates!
Also, we seriously need a chat voice thingy.
EDIT:
There's smart, there's stupid, then there's GROUP FIRING 8 ER PPCS AT ONCE. Even water cannot save you from exploding.
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Yeah, we're trying to find some sort of network thing like Hamachi that also comes with voice chat.
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*keels over from Haku's post*
Try hitting someone with 14 flamers a couple times, that's pretty fun
Yeah, we're trying to find some sort of network thing like Hamachi that also comes with voice chat.
Hmmm... you're going to be hard pressed to find a free one. I don't think MSN Messenger does conferencing, but if it does, that would work (it has a game launch thing for Mech 3, from what I remember).
Guys I'm this close to spamming 10 pages of stories, lore, and mech configs. Hold me baaack Eeeeeerrgh
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Try hitting someone with 14 flamers a couple times, that's pretty fun
haha, we've gone through this stage! Me and doomsday have flamer combination mechs set up. its hilarious when someones packing a dashi trying to hit a little mech running around, has no damage whatsoever, then the big mech just blows to peices.
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So I finally tried eaterofpies's patch (only just now because I'm an idiot), and it pretty much clears up every problem; I didn't have to jump through hoops setting my refresh to 60 or anything like that.
So no more crashing, no more get down, etc.
Daishis still torso twist via the mouse like fucking Striders (makes me sick!), but I think I can live with that all things considered :P
Here's some alternate download links to the patch:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=948R3SBU
http://rapidshare.com/files/374786255/mech3-1024x768.zip.html
Just drop it in your folder, set the compatibility to Windows 95, and run it. It should just go.
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I'll download that, everyone else who plays it should as well.
Not that I'm getting the chance to play it at the moment, I'm sleeping at such an inconvienant time waking up 5am GMT doesn't help.
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SUPER MEGA DATADUMP ACTION
Axioms of Mechwarrior 3
-This game uses old netcode. Lead ahead of the person to hit them if they move quickly. You gotta hit them on THEIR screen, not yours. A 200ms latency means you must place the shot so it "hits" them 200ms later.
-Jump Jets on everything. The only excuse not to is a Stock match.
-Customize your controls to something you like, the default has you reaching all over the place. Scroll down for a guide to important stuff you should remap.
-When it comes to gear, it's pretty much Clan or gtfo. Mechs, on the other hand, are a different story. Also, Double Heatsinks only, there is absolutely no reason to give singles the time of day.
-Don't put important stuff in your arms unless you must. They're really really fragile. Every other section renders its equipment immune to destruction. If you can avoid putting anything in there, just strip out the armor to give yourself more tonnage to play with.
-Ammunition always goes in your arms. Why? Even if the arm is destroyed, you don't lose the ammo. One of many quirks in this game.
-On that note, turn ON the "Relaxed Jump Jets" function in your options. This unlocks the directional Jump Jet controls, which you should always use.
-Heat makes you die. If a shot will take you past full bar, chances are you're going to blow up instantly.
-Movement is life. Fast is good, but varied speeds and directions are best.
-Missiles hurt. A lot. Run quickly to the side of the missile path, or hit your jets. Streak SRMs can be very hard to avoid like this, but it is possible.
-Expecting missiles? Bring ECM. Reduces lock-on speed, as well as effectiveness of missile related equipment (NARC doesn't even work at all). Bring some AMS too, if you can. If you're a fat mech, get good with the JJs, cause you'll need them to live no matter what.
-Everyone gravitates toward Pulse Lasers for some reason. While they are a lot better than they were on 1999 56k modems, they're still outclassed by ER Lasers. They do the same damage at a slower pace, but weigh twice as much and require a constant aim to work.
-Mechs without Torso Twists (Blackhawk, Cauldron Born) are awful due to easily being outflanked. Arm swivel just isn't enough to make up for it. The Light mechs are actually ok thanks to immense speed, but you must be an ace pilot to wield them.
-The Supernova is an awful Stock mech choice that everyone seems to gravitate towards. ER Large are weak weapons, and the Supernova is slow. You'll just get chewed up by everything else.
Important Controls you should make easy access to
-Turn Left/Right
-Jump Jet Forward and Back
-Flush Coolant
-Torso controls left/right/up/down (can be handled by mouse)
-Lock Zoom reticle
-At least 0% and 100% throttle
-Reverse
-MASC
-Next Weapon Group (probably should be right click)
-Shoot (left click :D )
Controls that would be wise to have easy access to
-Other speeds to make it easier to vary your speed
-Target under reticle
-Toggle Torso Mode (A.K.A. lock/unlock reticle)
-Freelook (A.K.A. arm movement)
-Jump Jet left and right
-Center Legs to Torso (can pull off amazing turns if your execution is good)
My Controls
1 - 0% Throttle
2 - 30%
3 - 60%
4 - 100%
A - Turn Left
D - Turn Right
S - Jet back
W - Jet Forward
Q - Jet Left
E - Jet Right
R - Reverse
T - Target Next Enemy
F - Flush Coolant
G - Get up
Z - Lock Zoom Reticle
X - Chat
Shift + X - Team Chat
C - Center legs to torso (I'm not good at this tough maneuver or anything)
V - MASC
Tab - Toggle Torso Mode
Shift + Tab - Freelook
Mouse - Torso/Reticle
Left mouse button - Shoot
Right mouse button - Next Weapon Group
Wheel Click - Target Under Reticle
It takes some getting used to, but only a couple of days playing the campaign and they felt natural.
Two more notes on controls:
1. Yes, it really is tough to get the customization lab to recognize the input. This is a glitch with modern machines that I'm not sure how to fix. Just keep pressing what you want until it changes. Button combos need both buttons to be pressed at roughly the same time. Sorry I can't be of more help with this annoyance. SAVE YOUR CONTROLS ONCE YOU'VE GOT THEM THE WAY YOU LIKE!!
2. If you find your reticle won't lock or unlock when you input the correct command, press the keyboard/mouse default option in the controls customization menu, then load your saved controls again. The Keyboard/Joystick default doesn't permit this control option.
Mechs
Strider - Best profile and speed for smaller mech that still has torso twist.
Shadowcat - More lenient in fittings thanks to clanner Endo Steel/XL Engine, and 5 more tons. Crusty old players like me know this as the "Scat", so pardon if I abbreviate it as such on reflex :V
Bushwacker - Middle of the road mech. I don't swear by it, but I knew many who did to good effect.
Champion/Vulture - The Champ's got a considerably better profile. The Vulture only gets used for the better critical space.
Avatar/Thor - The Avatar has an absolutely amazing profile for its size, making it the premier choice. Thor isn't exactly awful though, and can be used for those ever present extra criticals off of Endo Steel.
Madcat - Much better turn speed than the smelly Orion.
Sunder - The go to Assault Mech. Phenomenal turn rate for an Assault. Profile ain't too shabby either. The Supernova is an absolute garbage mech.
Annihilator/Daishi - Take a wild guess. Anni = profile, Daishi = Crits.
Firefly/Owens/Puma - I'm mentioning these last since they are the most complex. The Firefly is technically the fastest, but it may be too difficult to achieve that speed while still mounting an effective offense. The Puma has a phenomenal profile which can easily make it the top choice. The Owens is an oddity. Due to the way its legs flank its torso, it can be almost impossible to hit the torso at all under laggy conditions. I recall pilots who'd strip off all of their torso armor, rendering the mech well armed and very fast - faster than the Firefly. That said, it probably isn't that hard to hit the torso under minimal lag. So... yeah, probably the Puma.
Stock Mechs of choice
Thor B - Jump Jets plus LRMs for a scary combo. It can rain knockdown hell on its enemies, but only for 6 shots. The LRMs can be avoided by a 90 degree walk by most mechs, so fire judiciously. Works best in pairs.
Madcat D - Possesses the highly accurate streak srms, with lots of ammo.
Vulture A - 6 SRM 6s. Runs hot, but it hurts big time if you can get in range.
Shadow Cat B - Really hot running mech that works akin to Thor B, but with much more speed. Can avoid the LRM storm pretty well.
Madcat Primary - Twinned LRM 20s with decent ammo, and lots of other weapon backup. Not my first choice, but the merit can't be denied.
Weapons of Choice
ER Meds - A nice bread n butter weapon that can be counted on. Great range, good damage, and easy to fit. Work your way up from 5. I tend towards these myself. Chances are you'll want at least 15 heatsinks, and probably more. Good for light mechs, and sometimes as a backup weapon for big stuff.
ER Smalls - About 25% more damage per ton than Meds, but hotter, shorter ranged, and consumes more criticals. You'll probably use twice as much of these as meds. Best for small mechs (short range).
Flamers - Pump a couple blasts of these into someone, and they're done. The catch is that they're short ranged and have a pretty slow travel time. Great for killing fat stuff fast, but the little buggers are much trickier to hit. Unless you are fighting on a waterless desert, you'll probably need 13 or 14 to be effective all the time. Small mechs only, usually.
LRMs - Big damage, big range, and big knock down power. Expect Avatars, Madcats, and Sunders loaded with dozens and dozens of these (like 80 or more in two groups). But even 40 is pretty dangerous to be hit by. Turn rate is awful, but still puts pressure on a distant opponent. Firing beneath 90 meters strips away most of the damage, but leaves all of the knockdown power. Shooting at the ground beside a mech also retains all of the knockdown power, and can be used to knock down a light mech ankle biter to great effect. For distance opponents, firing half of them first, then the other half when the opponent is airborne or landing can catch them off guard. Mid to big mechs are best, LRM Shadowcat is decent.
LRM 5 = Less weight
LRM 10 = Less critical space
LRM 20 = Less heat (or less heatsinks!)
LRM 15 = average of all
Don't forget: clan stuff only! It's easy to accidently put on Innersphere LRMs by mistake, especially since the sorting is really wierd.
Streak SRMs - Mega awesome turn rate. These are the light mech killers, and the best anti-lag weapon in the game. Try using the unlocked reticle or freelook arm movement to pull off some crazy curved shots. Mechs can fire them upward to have them crash down on the enemy behind them, or fire them to the side to loop them around and nail an unsuspecting opponent in the back. Only the 4 model of Streak SRM should be used, as it is the best at everything. Also, don't confuse the Streak SRMs with vanilla SRMs, they don't have anywhere near as much turn rate. Best on mid to big mechs, but SSRM Shadowcat is fine.
Ultra Autocannon 20s - Twinned UAC 20s are awesome. If you get hit by them, you're probably gonna hit the dirt. If that happens, you could easily get killed unless someone intervenes quickly. Note that only the first bullet counts (you'll only see one bullet if an opponent fires these). Still, the fire rate is very high and heat is relatively low, allowing you to retry your luck very rapidly. Generally only fittable on 70 tonners and up.
Machine Guns - Yes, if you can get a bunch together, you can rip anyone open that you can get a bead on in seconds. They're kinda like flamers that don't make heat, but need ammo, and are about as awkward to use. I personally don't like these due to the ammo issues, and prefer flamers for a close range punch. Shadowcat is likely the best bet, max out that ammo!
Weapons that are meh, and why
ER Large Laser - Awful damage per ton and per heat point.
ER PPC - See ER Large
Guass - See ER Large. Yeah, you can cram 4 on a Sunder for decent effect, but other stuff is better.
"vanilla" Lasers - Outdated spheroid technology. Damage is much less than clan ER lasers.
Pulse Lasers - Perpetually behind ER lasers in damage, even when heat is taken into account.
"vanilla" Autocannons, LBX Autocannons - They have a lower rate of fire. Better to shoot fast for a better chance of the deadly knockdown.
2 and 5 caliber Autocannons - Little knockdown or damage. The superior range is not worth anything here.
Equipment
MASC - Basically a supercharger for your engine. When turned on, adds a sizable chunk of speed to your mech, as well as a bit of heat.
Artemis IV - This here doohickey boosts the lock speed of your missiles and adds a limited "terrain avoidance" effect to missiles. If you're having trouble locking onto an annoying fast mech (possibly due to ECM), add a couple of these. The more you install, the better. Artemis IV's must be installed in the same location as the missile launchers to work. Doesn't seem to boost accuracy. Probably averages the effect between affected and non-affected launchers.
ECM - This versatile piece of equipment increases the time it takes for missiles to lock on to you, nullifies NARC beacons that hit you, and mucks up the Targeting Computer by making the circle jiggle a bit. Invaluable in missile games.
BAP - Detects shutdown mechs. And that's it... it's completely worthless in multiplayer.
TAG - A spotting laser that summons missiles. The missiles arrive so slow, it's not really worth it. To its credit, you can hit guys repairing in the MFB, but you can manage that with regular weapons.
Targeting Computer - Gives you a lead circle to aim for. I generally think you should learn to manage without this, and ECM is going to mess it up an awful lot anyway.
CASE - I have absolutely no clue what this does. Yeah, it's supposed to vent ammo explosions with no damage to you, but you don't take any damage from ammo explosions even without this thing!
C3 Master/Slave - These two items are supposed to allow sharing of radar data and effects of electronics, but doesn't do squat. Radar always has a 50km range in this game, and BAP sucks anyway. The whole "radar warfare" aspect was never properly implemented in Mech3.
Customization and Heat Management next? I should probably say words about the various glitches as well.