Maybe as a spin off with manly characters and manly danmaku.
Bring it on, Youki konpaku!
Don't worry Slaves, it's like drawing a loli except it's more masculineAh, so the guy must be a Shota then! ...I'm OK with that! lol
Don't worry Slaves, it's like drawing a loli except it's more masculine
A friend and mine are working on a game kind of like that, it's the opposite of Touhou, instead of being vertically scrolling and featuring cute girls, it's horizontally scrolling and features MANLY MEN.Cho Aniki?
he can kinda draw turtlesi like turtles
In his UFO interview he originally planned Unzan to be a boss by himselfHe also originally planned the final boss to be an old guy (Myouren). Now THAT would have really freaked some people out when the game was released :V
There is quite a bit of sexism towards males ITT which makes me very unhappy. >:(
There is quite a bit of sexism towards males ITT which makes me very unhappy. >:(
... what do you mean by sexism? Or are you just throwing the term out because it sounds good? :P
Also, http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Wriggle_Nightbug (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Wriggle_Nightbug)
why hasn't this been mentioned yet?
...they should be capable of causing a "Wriggle Case". You know what I mean...
... what do you mean by sexism? Or are you just throwing the term out because it sounds good? :P
Have you read OkashiiNaito's post? So many double standards it's not even funny.
Also, http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Wriggle_Nightbug (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Wriggle_Nightbug)
why hasn't this been mentioned yet?
*shrug* Still not seeing it. Preference for females over males != sexism. An almost completely female cast is part of Touhou's style, no one can deny that.
You too huh?
...Yes, I'm not exactly fond of that stupid meme that claims my favourite Touhou is the wrong gender.
Men tend to get into fights more often, so That's less wrighting for ZUN
'wait why the hell are we fighting'
'BECAUSE I AM A MAN! *punch*'
Pretty much
Men tend to get into fights more often, so That's less wrighting for ZUN"What're you guys doing?"
"What're you guys doing?"
"We're trying to see who's the more dominant male!" *Tosses absurdly heavy objects*
But I think this only applies to a few of them, as Rinnosuke shows us.
And then Rinnosuke fights Unzan for NO REASON.Fuck Yeah
and it was glorious.
And then Rinnosuke fights Unzan for NO REASON.Someone needs to draw this
and it was glorious.
i believed who originally the no male thing was for turn the story of Touhou more joyful and less dramatic, more comedic. For that i think in a parallel game when think about males in Touhou.
And, after all, the magic tradition in japan is more femenine, but no means who can be restricted to only girls...well,we know all that anime about magical girls, but magical boys or males are really rare.And then Rinnosuke fights Unzan for NO REASON.
and it was glorious.
that was so epic who i forget delete my anterior post and i can?t delete it now XD (but wait,Rinnosuke is pasifist...i believe XD)
I would welcome a male character, for a change at least. My ideal male character would be the older brother of another character in a new game for it would allow the other character to utter that oh so moe word "Oniichan".
Didn't ZUN say the main reason why males don't do Danmaku fights is because their danmaku isn't beautiful enough or something on similar lines.But can still perform Danmaku, am I right?
OkashiiNaito's post. Nuff said.
Have you read OkashiiNaito's post? So many double standards it's not even funny.
And OkashiiNaito's post, while certainly not sexist, does have double standards. A sort of pack mentality, I-am-the-alpha-male reflex reaction. (edit: scratch that, should've looked up what a "bishonen" is before writing)
U Mad.
Then these uber shonen's will be paired up with our favorite Touhous, and our beloved girls will be turned into helpless, weaker versions of themselves that need to cling onto their new boyfriends to get anything right, unable to take action themselves anymore in favor of their prince, with him appearing as the big damn hero. Every character will eventully be butchered into yamato nadeshiko's!Well, I'm not into fanfics for several reasons, but from what I've seen there is already enough character derailment happening. You don't need a straight pairing to turn one (or both) of the respective characters into something awful. I mean, just look at Alice.
Sure. it'll first start with characters who slightly fit this role, like Alice, Parsee and Patchy. But soon it'll grow out of control. Marisa. Reimu. Remi. Mokou. YUUKA! All these strong independant characters will all fall victims to this, becoming mere shadows of their great, former selves, in favor of some overrated prissy boy!!!
This must never happen...
Well, I'm not into fanfics for several reasons, but from what I've seen there is already enough character derailment happening. You don't need a straight pairing to turn one (or both) of the respective characters into something awful. I mean, just look at Alice.This
This
Beside that, Rinnosuke. There's already bait for those who object to the "Everyone's gay in Gensokyo" bit (With the exception ofRinnosuke/Youkisomething too horrifying to mention), so it's not like it would change too much.
And trust me there'd still be tonnes of lesbian fanarts.
I'm not saying I want it persay - like, oh, this MUST be in a future game. I'm just saying I would welcome it if it did happen. Because really, I can't imagine ZUN would add more than 2, at most, if any, so really, why would it be such a problem?
WHAT THE-?!
What did I do?! I tried my best to not come over as sexist or intolerant! I didn't even know what double-standard meant before all of this (and I'm still not to sure even after searching it up)! And I really can't see where the pack mentality and alpha-male notions can be picked up from my post, let alone what you mean by it.
I'm just saying that if bishonen, shonen or shotaro appear it might become prime bait for slash fangirls! Not explicitly yaoi (I put that in between caps after all), but straight slash. Why do I fear this oh so much? Two words:
Character Derailment.
I've seen it sooooo many times, it isn't funny any more! Fics and comics will appear matchin up these new male characters, boosting there powers and responsibilities to impossible proportions, dwarving the Gensokyo Top! Then these uber shonen's will be paired up with our favorite Touhous, and our beloved girls will be turned into helpless, weaker versions of themselves that need to cling onto their new boyfriends to get anything right, unable to take action themselves anymore in favor of their prince, with him appearing as the big damn hero. Every character will eventully be butchered into yamato nadeshiko's!
Sure. it'll first start with characters who slightly fit this role, like Alice, Parsee and Patchy. But soon it'll grow out of control. Marisa. Reimu. Remi. Mokou. YUUKA! All these strong independant characters will all fall victims to this, becoming mere shadows of their great, former selves, in favor of some overrated prissy boy!!!
This must never happen...
Never.Never.Never.Never.Never!
NEVEEEEEEEER!!!!!!!
._. I think you worry too much and have too little faith in the Touhou Fanbase. There may be a few who do that, but on the whole, I seriously doubt most Touhou fans are going to do any such thing.
Honestly, I'm more inclined to believe that most fanworks will probably depict any male character being made fun of by the majority of the female cast.
This
Beside that, Rinnosuke. There's already bait for those who object to the "Everyone's gay in Gensokyo" bit (With the exception ofRinnosuke/Youkisomething too horrifying to mention), so it's not like it would change too much.
And trust me there'd still be tonnes of lesbian fanarts.
To OkashiiNaito
That's the second reason for the big brother character. With my idea of the fanbase as is he would be safely paired off with his little sister character (who would be stronger than him, there is precedent for that) thus leaving the rest of the characters safe from him.
Sounds like Naito's my reverse clone.
1- Character Derailment is pretty much abundant in Touhou as it is, even without considering the yuri shit and whatnot (in fact most of the derailment COMES from the yuri).
2 -Alice to Marisa in fanworks. Words cannot describe how fucked up they made Alice once shit started going down between them. If anything Alice gets hit with Character derailment the most in this matter. How do you turn a normally cold-natured and aloof person into a lovesick, clingy pile of misplaced affection? Seriously. And don't even get me STARTED on other pairings that make little to no sense...
Even if we do have males in the series I'm going (hate having) to admit that the yuri fanart won't stop in the least. If anything folks will IGNORE the 1 or 2 males like they do the ones we have now and continue plugging shit into their fantasy. But really, I'm seeing that not everything revolves around the potential for pairings and what not, I want to visualize a Gensokyo where we have pretty much the same atmosphere now, only with a balance of both genders.
Me? I'd not only welcome it, I'd say I'd want to see it sometime soon, just to see how it would look like. Is part of this due to my vehement hatred for yuri in this series? Ehh, perhaps it is, but a majority of this is directed to me wanting to 'see something new' for a change rather than 'Oh look another loli with insane powers *yawn*'.
To OkashiiNaito
That's the second reason for the big brother character. With my idea of the fanbase as is he would be safely paired off with his little sister character (who would be stronger than him, there is precedent for that) thus leaving the rest of the characters safe from him.
While a humanoid male character in Touhou would be an interesting for a change of pace, I'd have to seriously question the integrity of the series' setting after about a dozen games without ever really having one. If it wasn't executed perfectly, I'd probably default to disliking him just because the change would rip one of the more unique aspects away.
From the fandom in general, I imagine the utter disbelief in the community would be akin to that time in Azumanga Daioh where the class found out that Kimura had a wife. (A kind pretty one too at that.) It'd be total shell shock. Also, heaven forbid he be straight and fancy one of the already existent girls (including ones from the demo of his own game, if he's introduced in the later stages.) People would want him dead! XD
I'm almost afraid of the day ZUN brings forth a male character if only due to the way fandom will shit all over him once he debuts. I still don't understand why anyone is appealed by the way things are now (I've been trying to figure this out for a while now, but only found an answer in RAGE), but eh all I gotta say is; If I like it, fuck everyone else.
Still the idea of a male being Touhou's equivalent of Brock does sound like an amusing idea...
- One of the few game series with an all female cast, and that is special in and of itself. Adding males would remove some of Touhou's unique shine.
- One of the few game series with an all female cast, and that is special in and of itself. Adding males would remove some of Touhou's unique shine.Well, more correctly it's one of the few all girl games that doesn't fetishize the characters* in game.** I think that's what I find interesting about it personally.
No it isn't, and no it wouldn't. There are LOTS of all girl games in Japan.Probably created to offset the manliness of the Hokuto no Ken fighter.
I'm almost afraid of the day ZUN brings forth a male character if only due to the way fandom will shit all over him once he debuts. I still don't understand why anyone is appealed by the way things are now (I've been trying to figure this out for a while now, but only found an answer in RAGE), but eh all I gotta say is; If I like it, fuck everyone else.
Still the idea of a male being Touhou's equivalent of Brock does sound like an amusing idea...
so basically, you think the current setup of touhou is dumb, and you want it to change so it fits your ideas of a better series? Don't you think the series should.. you know, cater to its fans than the people who dislike it? What the heck you a motk member for anyway if you don't know what is so great about Touhou? *boggle*I didn't go and say that. Although change is good for something that's pretty much the same thing over and over, don't you think?
It amazes me you can cope with the series like this even though you don't like the current set up of the cast. Quite contradictive, no?It's fortunate that I'm a writer, otherwise I wouldn't have an outlet for the things that do please me in Touhou. Characters be damned, Gensokyo and the general mythos surrounding it interest me as a whole. I maybe displeased with whatever characters and blah blah blah, but I do want to see what else Gensokyo has to offer. What other regions are there to go to? Will we visit the undersea palace of Ryugu-jo anytime soon? Is there more beyond the Youkai Mountain? These questions are exactly why I 'cope' with what irks me about the series.
Touhou Yaoi.
*cringe*
Since the thread is already four pages long I'm not sure if this has been said already, but...
Touhou Yaoi.
*cringe*
Although, like some other people mentioned, it's doable, like with Rinnosuke Morichika. Something with Youki Konpaku in it would be completely badass though.
ever heard of brohou?
Since the thread is already four pages long I'm not sure if this has been said already, but...
Touhou Yaoi.
*cringe*
Although, like some other people mentioned, it's doable, like with Rinnosuke Morichika. Something with Youki Konpaku in it would be completely badass though.
I wish ZUN would just throw in one more male so I can finally make a Touhou all-malefoursome hentai doujinbarbershop quartet. :(
Genji just ain't cutting it. >_>;
and even can turn Beer in a gijinka male and then we have a par number again n_n
How very immature that people are afraid of Touhou yaoi. =/ Not EVERYONE who likes yaoi is a "Rampant Yaoi Fangirl", as they have come to be known.
Besides, if ZUN adds one or two males, I ask again, HOW is there concern that it will really impact the series in any significant way?
How? Probably a large explosion followed by a mushroom cloud.
Seriously, nobody can tell you how. There are countless ways it could change the series significantly, just like it's possible it might not. The issue is that it creates lots of opportunities for bad changes to take place, and doesn't really offer anything good that an additional female character could probably give as well. I mean male characters in fictional stories and games are capable of contributing good things sure, but as I said before, it's a change, and most of us are perfectly happy with Touhou's current status.
To me, having nothing but females adds a certain goofy light-hearted charm to Touhou. I know men can be goofy, but the nature of Touhou's current goofiness isn't the same kind. I really can't explain it. It's possible Zun could create male characters that add to the goofy atmosphere in the same direction that it already goes, but I personally don't really see how it can be done. It's also possible that keeping it all-female keeps it from exiting niche status. I know that turns off alot of people form trying the game knowing that there are no males in the games. I doubt it, but maybe Zun likes keeping those people from trying it.
I'd rather Rinnosuke or Youki show up, rather than some new guy. Alternately: Endboss Genji.^this. An echoing YES for Rinnosuke and/or Youki!
I haven't seen a single, non-joking indication of adding an entire game-full of male characters.
On the topic:why im thinking in Sebastian the Black Butler!!?? XD (I WANT)
I wouldn't mind seeing one actually. He would have to be the endbosses butler character though. And his abilities have to be based on strategy alone. Those are my requirements.
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8175/kaimisc.png)
This will be the first humanoid male touhou boss. He will be a fifth boss.
Last night I came to a conclusion. Danmaku isn't really all that manly. When I thought of all the characters in Touhou that could be considered to be "badass" I realized that all or at least most of them fired something other than your standard shiny bullets be they a ton of knives, an anchor, fire, or a humungoid death laser.
I think he said that Touhous that can be considered badass shoot things other than the standard bullet. Like Sakuya, Murasa, Unzan, Utsuho, etc.bingo.
=/ I haven;t gotten the vibe that people want several males at all.
Maybe it's just me, but I've just been assuming everyone here was talking about adding one or maybe two characters. I haven't seen a single, non-joking indication of adding an entire game-full of male characters.
Take another good look. I spotted at least three people on this thread explicitly saying that they want a game with an entire boss cast of males. That's automatically SEVEN males, maybe eight if the game has an phantasm stage. That's a whole lot more than just one or two!
VIVI, N-Forza and SenSageUn all want an all-male cast for an upcoming game! I'm getting even slight vibes of this from Erebrus and Ramus!
Here's hoping ZUN trolls his "fanbase" and puts a few male characters in the next games. With luck that'll alienate a good bunch of the creepier "fans". Even if it might bring some new, different weirdos.
I really don't see what's so creepy about the fanbase's liking to the current state of affairs.
Even if it might bring some new, different weirdos.
...call me crazy, but I think that at some point the matter of men not being seen as combat-worthy will actually be a plot point in a future Touhou game...
lol first page quote shows how far I got
I'm banking on that fact for my story - that men are just terrible at using danmaku. It'd kind of make sense, too, since the ones savingthe worldGensokyo most of the time are a couple of teenage (if even that) girls.
I'm banking on that fact for my story - that men are just terrible at using danmaku. It'd kind of make sense, too, since the ones savingOne probable reason is because men would have themselves as their hitbox, heheh xD *thought*the worldGensokyo most of the time are a couple of teenage (if even that) girls.
now I'm wondering if various Touhous are already married...The Watatsuki sisters are married to relatives of Eirin. One of the two reasons I'm somewhat surprised that no males appeared in SSiB. Though I imagine those are arranged marriages.
The Watatsuki sisters are married to relatives of Eirin. One of the two reasons I'm somewhat surprised that no males appeared in SSiB. Though I imagine those are arranged marriages.Yeah, I had a theory that marriages on the Moon are political/arranged/"for procreation," and that the children are mostly raised by "the system" until they reach the age at which Lunarians stop aging (which I've also theorized is "the point when the brain stops developing" at around 23). I just got the impression that familial bonds aren't particularly strong. But I digress ...
VIVI, N-Forza and SenSageUn all want an all-male cast for an upcoming game! I'm getting even slight vibes of this from Erebrus and Ramus!
im very curious to know how is the life to the Gensokian males, the "normal" ones i said (no the excentric ones like Kourin, he is special XD)This. This would be very interesting to see.
This. This would be very interesting to see.
Yeah we ALL know what the females do, but what about the males?
Yes I know, Naito said something about them running around the world with their own adventures, but that honestly rubs me the wrong way for some reason...probably because it's a My Little Pony reference. I honestly think that there are males are in Gensokyo, albeit overlooked due to "lol we want more lolis".
uh, i know another (in reverse) example XD....probably because it's a My Little Pony reference.
lol first page quote shows how far I gotIf the men of Gensokyo use a different combat method that would explain Meiling a bit better. She would have to deter intruders of both sexes and thus would have to be capable in both forms of combat and thus not that specialized in Danmaku.
I'm banking on that fact for my story - that men are just terrible at using danmaku. It'd kind of make sense, too, since the ones savingthe worldGensokyo most of the time are a couple of teenage (if even that) girls.
Women use danmaku.
Men use kung-fu!
So hermaphrodites use danmakufu~?
If the men of Gensokyo use a different combat method that would explain Meiling a bit better. She would have to deter intruders of both sexes and thus would have to be capable in both forms of combat and thus not that specialized in Danmaku.
Kratos would make a nice add to the residents of Gensokyo.
I can see it now. Having killed off the gods of Olympus, reality warps around him and he finds himself in Gensokyo.
:V
All divine beings in Gensokyo should hide far, far away in that case....Oh God Kratos.
You know how there's only one dragon? That one dragon should be a shota.
Totally.
You know how there's only one dragon? That one dragon should be a shota.We already have someone who's totally a dragon, sorry.
Totally.
We already have someone who's totally a dragon, sorry.
HONG!
MEI!
LING!!
I like the way you think. Especially if he's a shota trap~<3 Um... Ahem.
if it was done right it'd actually be alright but everyone would fucking hate just the idea, period
REIMU'S GOD IS A FUCKING THUNDER DRAGON
NAMED MIYAMOTO
MAYBE.
if it was done right it'd actually be alright but everyone would fucking hate just the idea, period
REIMU'S GOD IS A FUCKING THUNDER DRAGON
NAMED MIYAMOTO
MAYBE.
IS NOT!!!!
A DRAGON!!!!!
Hong is awesome. But she isn't a one of a kind cataclysmic ultra being. I've heard this discussion a shitload, but Hong is
NOT
A
DRAGON!
Ehhhhh........Only a very minor trap. Very subtle.
I thought ZUN said something about her being a Dragon a while back?
Hell, if Meiling were THAT powerful, why the fuck would she need to be gaurding a crapshack like the Scarlet Devil Mansion AND take shit from Sakuya no less? If anything she could have her own fine ass mansion in the mountains somewhere, plus legions of youkai followers as well.
Maybe ZUN meant with that 'confirmation' that Meiling that Meiling is indeed a dragon, but perhaps she doesn't know HERSELF that she is one. She may have been sealed in this form with severely weakened powers for a very long time, with her memories removed too.
Or maybe she's just a simple avatar for the Dragon God who was too lazy to keep up a Shrine and just went with a simpler job....
So now 3 characters from EoSD have a chance of minor amnesia?
Since youkai can control how they look, maybe Male touhous wouldn't be so cute?
Danmaku is all about being pretty so maybe since guys don't play danmaku that often Male youkai don't have to worry about being cute, so they look more like monsters.
Since youkai can control how they look, maybe Male touhous wouldn't be so cute?That's what I'd think. Most of the more monstrous of gensokyo are the male variants who don't wish to take on the form of the others in order to use danmaku. If this were the case, I'd see them as relying on crazy youkai strength (exaggeration) instead of the danmaku way of fighting. Come to think of it; it's actually rather hard to picture a male youkai using danmaku in all honesty...unless you count mouth lasers or kamahamahadou's as danmaku.
Danmaku is all about being pretty so maybe since guys don't play danmaku that often Male youkai don't have to worry about being cute, so they look more like monsters.
Wriggle may very well actually be a guy, only shapeshifted.(http://i45.tinypic.com/rjqm9d.jpg)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/rjqm9d.jpg)
Moerin
sexual preference.
...Huh?
Really, I just find the "LOL WRIGGLE IS A GUY!" jokes rather grating. And I kinda have a thing for tomboys, so... Yeah~
Leave it to people to totally fuck up an androgynous character. That single joke alone is why I can't stand Wriggle as a character anymore.
I don't think Naoto ever got it this bad, did she?
Then again, she had her gender stated out right as it is, so I suppose that nulls the chance of it reaching the same level as 'Wriggle is a guy lol' bullshitery.
*I say Naoto because she's the only other androgynous character I've experienced in my gaming experiences.
ZUN admitted to being drunk during part of IN's development, I don't think he really paid too much attention to the fact that female fireflies can't fly :V
That's what I'd think. Most of the more monstrous of gensokyo are the male variants who don't wish to take on the form of the others in order to use danmaku. If this were the case, I'd see them as relying on crazy youkai strength (exaggeration) instead of the danmaku way of fighting. Come to think of it; it's actually rather hard to picture a male youkai using danmaku in all honesty...unless you count mouth lasers or kamahamahadou's as danmaku.
Them being incapable of danmaku can be another route, but the latter seems to fit a bit better for some reason.
Leave it to people to totally fuck up an androgynous character. That single joke alone is why I can't stand Wriggle as a character anymore.
I don't think Naoto ever got it this bad, did she?
Then again, she had her gender stated out right as it is, so I suppose that nulls the chance of it reaching the same level as 'Wriggle is a guy lol' bullshitery.
*I say Naoto because she's the only other androgynous character I've experienced in my gaming experiences.
Ascended OCsI'm afraid I don't understand what you're talking about...
Like I said, female fireflies don't have wings and can't fly. They remain in a form that ressembles their larval state.
Can this Thunder Dragon summon a super powered Italian plumber, a courgeous elf hero, a great ape and a squadron of furry space fighters?more like shinkuu giri from hell (http://www.world-of-arcades.net/R8zing/Dimahoo/Myamoto.gif)
The best way ZUN could introduce a male character is if that male just showed up. and that's it.I think I get where you're coming from. So, by your logic, the girls would just treat the new guy like they would anyone else?
No gimmicks, no remarkable noteworthiness, no feeling or seeming out of place, and the girls don't make any apparent notice of his status as a male whatsoever.
Basically, play his appearance just like ZUN would any female character. Calling unique attention to the fact that "OMG IT'S A BOY" will just cause the fans to freak out even more than they will from seeing a boy at all.
Have any OCs become a "major fixture of fanon"?
I suppose men in Touhou would be ok. I think the problem would be trying to introduce them well without making them seem too much out of place.
On the other hand, maybe it would be better if they did seem strange and out of place. I have to admit that I've thought would be interesting if Zun were to suddenly introduce a male boss and use a lot of crazy gimmicks in his attacks to make fighting him seem different from the girls.
Yeah, as far as I know Touhou OC's aren't given that much attention. Ex-Rumia and Ex-Meiling are the only real ascended ones, and Buront is still way more popular than the likes of Meimu and Mitori. Meimu, Mitori and all those other fan characters who pose as extra/phantasm bosses hardly get any an art. Danbooru has almost nothing of those girls. They only have about a dozen fanarts, while even the most underrated Windows character has atleast a thousand. Buront has over 200, far more impressive than any other OC I've seen. Maybe it's because he isn't so overpowered like all the others, and just a nice guy that get's along well with the Gensokyo girls in a friendly manner. Apparently he doesn't mind to be joked about either.This is part of the reason why I like the 'Buront' comics and Touhou Iron Yin and Yang as a whole. Because it's the 'adding males to Touhou' trope (sorry lack of a better word) done right. It goes over surprisingly well, given how so few people will like a change in ANY of their Touhou (at least on Danbooru). Having an overpowered male can definately cause some fan backlash so I can probably say that him being about of above average strength rather than hax goes into his favor a bit (much to how you already explained).
Buront is a pretty good example on how a male Touhou chjaracter should be shown. Not overpowered, not a spotlight hogger and just an overal ordinary but nice guy, who is about on par with most 1-3 stage bosses, maybe 4. And like the previous posts said, his gender shouldn't be blown out of proportion by the main characters. He may become pretty likable this way.
The best way ZUN could introduce a male character is if that male just showed up. and that's it.Isn't this pretty much exactly how Unzan was introduced? Except that he is the gimmick, of course. And there's still a girl involved.
No gimmicks, no remarkable noteworthiness, no feeling or seeming out of place, and the girls don't make any apparent notice of his status as a male whatsoever.
Basically, play his appearance just like ZUN would any female character. Calling unique attention to the fact that "OMG IT'S A BOY" will just cause the fans to freak out even more than they will from seeing a boy at all.
I still support Shota Dragon.
I still support Shota Dragon.Fuck, I can actually get behind this.
Fuck, I can actually get behind this iykwim
For some reason I'd imagne the Shota Dragon to be something of a Laharl...
Well, not sure if that'd be well recieved amongst fans being he'd be an enormous egoist >_>
If he REALLY was a Laharl, he would be lovable enormous egoist.It's funny, that in Disgaea the name it self never really worked with that style of gameplay. In Touhou, however, that name actually seems to work, which makes it all the more amusing.
Shota Dragon: Now your name will be Mid-Boss!
Yukari: W-WHAT?!
And then Yukari was a Mid-Boss.
I still support Shota Dragon.I support this
I'd support shota dragon iykwimActually I'm more like this. But a trap is fine too.if it's a trap.
Trap Dragon: "I'll show you my Great Dragon!"(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w88/KimikoMuffin/miami-yeah.jpg) (http://www.epiconeliner.com/)
Dx I just want an adorable little boy. Maybe with some scruffy, spiky hair.Fffft. You're going to make me draw this if this keeps up... And I'm a __terrible__ artist.
Fffft. You're going to make me draw this if this keeps up... And I'm a __terrible__ artist.So am i. Hey, draw mine if you like. At least you draw better than me(obviously)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Shingyoku's (the first boss of the original Touhou) third form a man? At least the clothing resembles men's clothing to me...
A pretty pink ribbon. Like an oversized version of Shanghai's. :3We think alike 8D
I actually imagined him more with some cool short robe with shorts and gloves, shoulder length, fuzzy, red hair, a serious look on his face, horns and a long dragon tail. A lot more calm looking than mischievous.This.
A full-blown blatant male character... I wouldn't like it. Just wouldn't feel touhou to me anymore.
However, I love characters like Unzan and Genji, due to the fact that they manage to be male without breaking the streak of Touhou's estrogen tradition. However, I'd be fine with a trap... In fact, I'd love to see Zun put in a trap that isn't Wriggle. If we live to see an androgynous Touhou character say "Hey, who are you calling a girl!" Then I can finally die happy.
Only if the other stage bosses (Ozzie, Slash, Magus, Lavos) are all turned into prepubescent girls.
Flea for Touhou 13? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwskOkyFY_E)
...Lavos loli?There's a picture of her on Danbooru.
There's a picture of her on Danbooru.
I've seen that one. Lavos's maw is on a....questionable place on her body.... I don't think I can ever think of that sound (http://content.ytmnd.com/content/e/f/8/ef83c8ee1300e4b140ec1c2eb1cf9df1.wav) the same way again.
I think it would be more likeYaoi AND yuri.
"Oh god, here come the fics."
Yaoi AND yuri.After seeing (and getting shit tired of) the latter, I can actually deal with the Yaoi. Hell, I can actually see myself liking it being any positive view I have on yuri is all but destroyed now.
I bet images of gender-bent versions of the male characters would appear in a few hours after the male's reveal.
And I would enjoy it sooo much.
And I would enjoy it sooo much.Ditto~
And I would enjoy it sooo much.
I'm curious, what other ideas do you people have for male Touhous, or Brohous, as I shall call them hereafter? I got bored, and drawing Brohous is a fun thing to do every once in a while. =3
Also, if Mr. Shota Dragon were to have a hat or extra head appendage, it'd be dragon horns, like on Charizard.
I'd think he'd rather have Shenron horns, really...inb4TouhouDBZ :V
Chen Long.
ZUNdrawsintroduces a new male cast for Touhou 13:
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7133/malet.png)
(runs away)
Didn't ZUN say the main reason why males don't do Danmaku fights is because their danmaku isn't beautiful enough or something on similar lines.
I think if there was like one guy that fit into the story would be interesting. Like How ZUN was gonna put Myouren. I would have actually wanted to see that. It would be pretty refreshing. Maybe ZUN wouldn`t draw an old man, but I`m picturing a young teenager or boy, with weird clothes of course XD it could totally work.
It`s not like it`s gonna be some plain-clothes normal human man in Gensokyo. Gensokyo is an enigmatic place. Of course the boys in Gensokyo will be the same. Rinnosuke is charming, and so are all the other males. They`re all unique like all the girls.
To me, Touhou isn`t good or charming because in-game everyone is female. To me it`s unique and charming because the characters are so outlandish, different, and they`re all oddly overpowered (in a fun way). I don`t get why some of you are freaking out.
If handled properly I see no problem with a male. However, the idea of a shota dragon god strikes me as bad. Having a setting where 99% of the relevant characters are female, some with mind-bendingly overpowered abilities, and then making the by far most powerful known being in the setting a male... I don't know about you, but I get a bad feeling from that.Then the translators have to change something, because the dragon god of Gensokyo has always been refered to as "he" over here.
Then the translators have to change something, because the dragon god of Gensokyo has always been refered to as "he" over here.
The dragon god probably was never strictly declared as male or female, which is easier to get away with in Japanese as opposed to English. But the dragon god is a dragon and not a loli/shota humanoid, thus its gender is kind of a moot point.That's my point. Why not go with "it"?
No...Ho...Miman ? Please...my mind...
Wait...
Okay!
Mima comes back...AS A MAN!
if there where more guys there would be yaoi...yes oh yes please. with one, only one male (shota or bishonen, or even a biseinen (Youki is fan-drawed sometimes like one)...and all the RinnoSUKE potencial finally will can bloom. XD
Miman
I think if there was like one guy that fit into the story would be interesting. Like How ZUN was gonna put Myouren. I would have actually wanted to see that. It would be pretty refreshing. Maybe ZUN wouldn`t draw an old man, but I`m picturing a young teenager or boy, with weird clothes of course XD it could totally work.You're probably the only one who sees Touhou in this light. For that, I compliment you.
It`s not like it`s gonna be some plain-clothes normal human man in Gensokyo. Gensokyo is an enigmatic place. Of course the boys in Gensokyo will be the same. Rinnosuke is charming, and so are all the other males. They`re all unique like all the girls.
To me, Touhou isn`t good or charming because in-game everyone is female. To me it`s unique and charming because the characters are so outlandish, different, and they`re all oddly overpowered (in a fun way). I don`t get why some of you are freaking out.
You're probably the only one who sees Touhou in this light. For that, I compliment you.
This new talk has inspired me to further my creation of the shota dragon. To work with me!
Also, please don't assume the shota dragon is the dragon god, because I wouldn't make a shota a god. Then we'd have raining pancakes every day, and he'd probably get the followers of his to run around naked every morning. I mean, I wouldn't complain if Nue or Mokou was one of his followers, but...
With more men (or boys), it would mean, as said, more yaoi.
More yaoi means more fangirls.
One day, the fangirls will overpower the fanboys.
Touhou would be ruined, and ZUN would be sent homeless.
So for now, let us settle for futaWriggle and Rinnosuke porn.
I wonder if a guy's danmaku would differ from girl's...
futaWriggle(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/OwlBear1337/Screens/excalibur_face_of_disgust.png)
In the practical sense, we need a guy to at least impregnate Reimu otherwise the Hakurei clan will be extinct...which I guess would be bad for the border or at least the residents of Gensokyo.
Unless of course ZUN makes her immortal for some strange reason...
Wriggle has no boobs or curves in the first place, so futaWriggle would just be Wriggle's shota genderbend...plus some muscles here and there.
Besides, I never saw Wriggle as a girl anyway. I tried, but it was just impossible for me to digest.
Exhibit A (NSWF warning, due to them danboorus) (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/389459/absurdres-alice_margatroid-bad_id-chen-cirno-every)You know, when drawn correctly (i.e. not overly bishonen), brohous can be pretty cool. I especially like that Yuyuko.
Wriggle has no boobs or curves in the first place, so futaWriggle would just be Wriggle's shota genderbend...plus some muscles here and there.Neither do the other touhous in official art :V
Besides, I never saw Wriggle as a girl anyway. I tried, but it was just impossible for me to digest.That's not healthy bro. You should see your gastroenterologist about that sorta thing.
But people need to remember the only known black man in Gensokyo. =[That they do. If I can remember'em so can everybody else, god mutha fucking dammit.
Wriggle has no boobs or curves in the first place, so futaWriggle would just be Wriggle's shota genderbend...plus some muscles here and there.Not necessarily. She could have both sets of genitals.
Not necessarily. She could have both sets of genitals.
I'll never understand why (or how) a simple pair of pants can fuck up a character so much. I like girls in pants, lets me get a load of DAT ASS, but god dammit shit yo...
I find it strange and rather cool that some of the ideas for this thread about the men in genso--they don't so Danmaku; instead they use physical attacks--was also what I came up with for my OC's; Almost none of them use Danmaku, preferring to beat on enemies with their fists/slash them to pieces with a Big Fucking Sword/ Tear them to pieces with a chainsaw/Bash their heads into a bloody pulp/Stab them to death with a Rapier/Shoot the hell out of them with an Einsteinien Relativistic Cannon capable of obliterating entire galaxies in one shot.....
Rather interesting coincidence.
Meiling is an expert in some sort of martial art...then why does she have spellcards? Why not just beat up the Miko? She doesn't need to necessarily kill her.
Meiling is an expert in some sort of martial art...then why does she have spellcards? Why not just beat up the Miko? She doesn't need to necessarily kill her.Wasn't the danmaku system created in Gensokyo to avert fighting?
Wriggle has pants, but Wriggle has short hair and no girly accessories. So...People must not know what most Tomboys look like then...seriously.
Wasn't the danmaku system created in Gensokyo to avert fighting?
So even if we did have physically strong male characters or something, they'd be forced to play along.
People must not know what most Tomboys look like then...seriously.Well, most of the rest of the cast has "girly" turned up to eleven ...
They could just beat their opponent up before they could set up a danmaku fight.
This happens a lot my fanfic; In one notable moment, Reisen challenged an OC, Jack, to a danmaku fight.
Jack responded by running up to her and ripping her heart out of her body with his bare hands, MadWorld Style (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk8zqgj2sw0#t=0m38s). (NSFW)
You might be strong enough to tear hearts out of people's chest, but that doesn't save you when Yukari makes your head explode as punishment.
Meiling is an expert in some sort of martial art...then why does she have spellcards? Why not just beat up the Miko? She doesn't need to necessarily kill her.Because we're going to end up with something like this:
Well, most of the rest of the cast has "girly" turned up to eleven ...Again.
People must not know what most Tomboys look like.
Spellcard bullshitI'll have to agree with everyone else on this one. If you want to fight you have to play by the rules, bro. If that means going by spellcard rules, then you gotta do as the romans do. Speaking as a rather rebellious individual myself, I'd have to say this is one of those cases where going against the majority ISN'T the most genius move you can make, especially since most of the Touhous know how to pull some OHKO asshaterry out the wazoo when they aren't nerfed with SC rules.
But that would break the danmaku rules, resulting in the entirety of Gensokyo ganging up on the fool who broke the rules and kickling the shit out of him with their REAL powers instead of danmaku. It is a VERY stupid thing to break the spellcard rules and/or to kill someone in Gensokyo. You might be strong enough to tear hearts out of people's chest, but that doesn't save you when Yukari makes your head explode as punishment.
Well, my fic is mainly comedy, so nobobdy really did anything, espicailly I take the "Youkai never die" thing Up To Eleven (They literally re-form in seconds), so Reisen just got up and blasted the shit out of him with Danmaku.
And why the hell would the other residents care about some random psychopathic Moon Rabbit breaking the SC rules? I don't think it was ever said that breaking them resulted in everyone hating you.
And Jack would've just sliced Yukari's head off too :V
Well, my fic is mainly comedy, so nobobdy really did anything,
And Jack would've just sliced Yukari's head off too :V
Sorta like how My Immortal or whatever's popular these days is a comedy?
Okashii exaggerates a bit, insomuch as retribution wouldn't be instantaneous. But it'd happen. And you'd have to write Yukari being uncharacteristically retarded to have her get beheaded.
Also, Youkai die. It's the faeries that are reborn.
Everyone hates you if you kill someone or break the law in real life too, so do you really think it is any different in Gensokyo, even if everyone is way more durable? If you break the law you get punished, and in a magical worlds punishments will be very, very horrific.
And Yukari can make your head explode or worse from the other side of Gensokyo. The moment you crush Reisen's heart BOOM goes your head. You wouldn't even notice you're dead. And even if she was in front of you she would erase your sword from existence and THEN make your head explode.
Sorta like how My Immortal or whatever's popular these days is a comedy?
Catharsis...
Without trying to sound offensive, I think Purvis' (Diamond's) comment was based on how the few revelations you have made about your fic in this thread thus far were that you introduce OC(s) who defeat canon characters in ways that seem both out of place in the setting and disgraceful to the canon character in question. Regarding fan fiction, in a case of doubt it is reasonable to assume that a work is bad unless proven otherwise, and these points you brought up are all stuff you would fin on a checklist for how to make bad fanfiction. The comment that your OC would simply decapitate Yukari is pretty much the icing on the cake here, even if it was meant to be a joke.
I have no idea whether or not you handled this stuff in your fic in a way that makes it actually enjoyable to read, but I don't read ff anyways, so I don't really care.
Youkai do have some degree of super regeneration. They can survive and heal from being cut in five pieces according to Japanese mythology. They're made of tough stuff, but take down the head and it's game over for youkai. Fairies, celestials and immortals can't be killed in any way. Gods and vampires are borderline cases. Gods can only die when their faith runs out, and Flandre claims that she tried to kill herself in various ways without any success, so vampires might be nigh immortal too.
I guess to perma-kill vampires you need to kill them like the very first vampires (when they were actually badass and hard-to-kill as opposed to modern vampires), which involved having to stake them in the heart, cut of their head, put garlic in their mouth, cut their body to pieces, burn the body and head to ashes and then throw the ashes over holy grounds BEFORE the full moon shines on the ashes. Only THEN will they permanently die. And yes, the full moon will cause the vampire to completely revive without a scratch on him/her/it even if he/she/it is utterly obliterated. The ashes NEED to be thrown on holy grounds like a church to stop the regeneration.
And according Remilia's profile she is capable of splitting up in swarm of countless bats. No matter how many of those bats you kill, as long as there remains ONE bat Remilia can revive. I wouldn't be surprised when it is revealed Remilia has hundreds of those bats hidden in safe places across Gensokyo or even the world to ensure that she doesn't die.
Also Mima is Satan.*cough* what's that? I can't seem to hear you over how wrong you are. You might wanna speak up in a tone that's a bit more correct, so I can hear what you have to say, buddy boy!
Let's see some sources on the vampire thing. That looks like you just mishmashed several separate vampire traditions together and claim they have to all be done at once.
Faeries can die; look at Cirno, she's separated herself from nature. Immortals, I could think of ways to do it, but they are beyond the scope of Touhou. Gods may be able to die; one of the major themes of Shinto tales is that anything can lose their state of purity and fall down the ladder of being. A disgraced god (such as Susano-O often was) is vulnerable. Whether this applies to Touhou is debatable. Celestials can die; Komachi's path in SWR establishes that.
As for Remilia splitting herself up, I'd argue that's rather like popping out an organ and hiding it. All those bats are her, and she'd need all of them to reform herself correctly. I'd argue destroying even one would mess her up at least a little bit, especially if she doesn't have the capacity to restore them.
Indeed. If anyone is Satan, it's Tenshi.Wait, since when did she actually fall from grace? the wiki says she is in heaven, so she must have been let off the hook for threatening to destroy gensokyo's land. The latter is perhaps true, though :V
I mean, favored child of heaven, fall from grace, not actually all that bright...
(http://th216.photobucket.com/albums/cc75/jasonmuzie/th_Spiderman04-1.jpg)You guys need to make the power level thing explicit in the forum rules if the topic is so bad.
My possiblepowerleveldiscussion senses are tingling.
Most of the stuff in my fic is a big joke anyway.
You guys need to make the power level thing explicit in the forum rules if the topic is so bad.
A bad joke is still bad.
only if said men had a white belt which can shoot seven color rainbows and jump 50 feet high screaming their attack moves.