Maidens of the Kaleidoscope

~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: Helion on February 05, 2010, 09:44:35 pm

Title: The importance of music
Post by: Helion on February 05, 2010, 09:44:35 pm
It's widely known how good Touhou music is, so good in fact, that many people try it just for it. I did. But I'd like to ask: how does the music of each game impact you, and how much it affects your will to play more of it? I, for instance, find myself playing more and more UFO, despite the fact that the UFO mechanic is the worst scoring gimmick ever and that it's hands down the hardest game in the series, and all of this because the music has everything I ask for in a game: it's upbeat, forceful and (no other word to describe it) joyous. Tell me what you think.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on February 05, 2010, 09:56:59 pm
Music is an extemely important aspect in every game for me, and in Touhou it's even more so.
I love playing some of the games simply for the music, and the music also determines which Touhou games (and characters) are my favourites.
The experience of weaving through the bullets to beautiful music is what makes Touhou so special for me.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Sapz on February 05, 2010, 10:07:45 pm
In general, I don't find myself paying too much attention to music while playing a game (I got into Touhou/shmups purely for the gameplay, and didn't pay much attention to the music at all until months later). Having said that, it usually sets the mood for me and can pretty much determine whether or not I find something fun regardless of whether I'm actually listening to it or not. I'm pretty confident that having forceful music in shmups while playing them (like Shou's theme, or DDP's soundtrack in general, for example) actually gives me an adrenaline boost and improves my performance. :V
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Tengukami on February 05, 2010, 10:09:10 pm
Music is 80% of the reason I play the PC-98 games.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Bananamatic on February 05, 2010, 10:16:40 pm
Same as Sapz here - I mostly play for the gameplay, but cool music makes a cool game even cooler.

Still, I prefer the soundtracks from Cave games - it adds to the already fast paced and chaotic gameplay(which you won't find in Touhou :V)
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: MaronaPossessed on February 05, 2010, 10:18:43 pm
Music shows what atmosphere the situation/stage it is
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: nintendonut888 on February 05, 2010, 10:25:55 pm
The synch of gameplay and music is a large reason why I didn't just stop at the MoF demo. Oftentimes I play a stage just to listen to this synch.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: ふねん1 on February 05, 2010, 10:51:45 pm
I love music in general, so I notice the connection between music and gameplay pretty readily. For me, the music must set the mood to complement the gameplay - it also cannot be generic, lest I may not pay attention to it at all and subsequently lose interest in the stage itself. This is one of the reasons why I really like SA, as the music for ALL stages and bosses easily creates effects suitable for the occasion. For example, Stage 2's theme makes you think you're really in a cave, Orin's theme reflects her joyous nature (never mind how hard her danmaku are), and Utsuho's theme practically screams "final boss". Going to other Touhou games presents a similar scenario - if its music is truly top-notch, I usually find it more fun overall.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Azinth on February 05, 2010, 11:07:20 pm
I've spent way too much time with the windows games.  I've listened to all the in-game music so damn much that I often don't even notice it when I'm playing, it just filters right through.  The only GST music of ZUN's that I really actively listen to nowadays is PC-98 and Seihou, simply because those haven't been ruined for me yet.  And occasionally PCB's soundtrack, because even if I've heard it a million times it's still good enough to warrant an occasional listen.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: eclipse on February 05, 2010, 11:33:43 pm
Music is pretty important to me. Hell, the music got me into the games.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Fightest on February 05, 2010, 11:43:47 pm
I probably don't need to mention that each character's theme has a very large part in presenting their personality to me.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Doomsday on February 05, 2010, 11:55:34 pm
I play for the gameplay really. Having a nice musical score going on helps the overall experience, but I don't need it.

Besides, I listen to the in-game tracks more outside of the game than I do in-game  :P
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Helion on February 06, 2010, 12:01:17 am
I probably don't need to mention that each character's theme has a very large part in presenting their personality to me.
Yes, I read your reviews. Many of them heightened my enjoyment of the music.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Janitor Morgan on February 06, 2010, 12:02:15 am
Music is pretty important to me. Hell, the music got me into the games.

Pretty much this.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Furienify on February 06, 2010, 12:07:02 am
The music serves as a magnifying lens for the enjoyment of the game for me.

The game has a habit of timing music and spellcards together perfectly. The particularly intense music does this really well and is the reason why PCB's extra/phantasm are my favourite stages out of all the games. Intense danmaku meets intense music = amazing fight.

Anyone ever seen yoslime's videos? He likes using the term 'dodge them with elegance', and that summarizes what makes a run perfect for me. Dodging challenging danmaku with grace and flair, as if your loli is being carried about by the majesty of the music itself.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Sabino on February 06, 2010, 02:37:39 am
Music is what got me to notice Touhou so I'll forever enjoy it!
I can still remember that the first tohou music that I heard was PCB stage 4 music ...
Back then I didn't know where it was from but was a total addict to the atmosphere.
I guess for me, it allows me to see the game a different way, and thus so much more enjoyable.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Chen on February 06, 2010, 02:40:22 am
Music = important to me.
In fact , I love most games because of the music.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: orinrin on February 06, 2010, 03:53:54 am
Its fun to sync your movements to the music... and die when you realize the boss doesn't sync hers.
Its like a graceful, elegant and deadly dance of colors.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Bias Bus on February 06, 2010, 04:41:24 am
The music is what gets me into the game, especially when fighting a boss.

Basically, with good music you can make even the most torturous of levels seem like fun to play. I'm sure Touhou has plenty of 'Fuck you!' levels but with these said levels comes a good track to balance things out and make the whole thin bearable.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Formless God on February 06, 2010, 04:51:21 am
I, for instance, find myself playing more and more UFO, despite the fact that the UFO mechanic is the worst scoring gimmick ever and that it's hands down the hardest game in the series, and all of this because the music has everything I ask for in a game: it's upbeat, forceful and (no other word to describe it) joyous.

This. I kept playing UFO for that reason.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Ghaleon on February 06, 2010, 04:52:54 am
Music is very important to me in pretty much every game, not just Touhou. Alot of my fave Touhou characters also happen to have my fave music. I wonder if I'd like utusho, or Bykuren if I liked their BGM as much as the other final bosses. I can enjoy a game without enjoying its music, but it definitely has to have quality in both catagories for it to be a favorite of mine.

It actually makes me upset when I hear people say "I play with the music turned off" (not touhou, but any game). I mean...ugh... I know everyone is entitled to their on likes and dislikes, but playing a game without listening to its music is almost like reading every even chapter of a book and skipping the odd ones for no good reason.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: ふねん1 on February 06, 2010, 05:11:28 am
Basically, with good music you can make even the most torturous of levels seem like fun to play. I'm sure Touhou has plenty of 'Fuck you!' levels but with these said levels comes a good track to balance things out and make the whole thin bearable.
I've definitely seen that effect before. But even when I don't like a level's music that much, I might instead put on a different piece, usually played from Youtube or my own files. Having your own music can make any tedious task seem more enjoyable, Touhou included.

It actually makes me upset when I hear people say "I play with the music turned off" (not touhou, but any game). I mean...ugh... I know everyone is entitled to their on likes and dislikes, but playing a game without listening to its music is almost like reading every even chapter of a book and skipping the odd ones for no good reason.
If someone does listen to a game's soundtrack and doesn't like it, then there's nothing fundamentally wrong with him/her turning it off, especially when he/she can replace it with better music. Example, I play UNL without music. Not that fond of its music to begin with, plus most of it consists of remixes of previous themes anyway, so I'm not really missing out on much.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Ghaleon on February 06, 2010, 05:14:35 am
If someone does listen to a game's soundtrack and doesn't like it, then there's nothing fundamentally wrong with him/her turning it off, especially when he/she can replace it with better music. Example, I play UNL without music. Not that fond of its music to begin with, plus most of it consists of remixes of previous themes anyway, so I'm not really missing out on much.

True, I didn't really mean to say people who turn the music off because they don't like it. I know alot of people THAT ALWAYS have the music off for EVERY game.

Many times I'll say "I really like the music for this", and I'll get a  "huh? I haven't heard it, I play without the music".
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Patorikku on February 06, 2010, 05:17:28 am
I will often fail a level because the music is so awesome, or at least find myself severely overpumped by it. Actually, I spazzed out when I found Grimoire of Alice was Alice's 12.3 theme.

Sometimes I play without the music, which in itself is a sin to me, but it's so I can focus on the gameplay, and not the extremely mind-blowing music. Seriously, ZUN may just be one of the greatest when it comes to fitting music to a setting.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Sabino on February 06, 2010, 08:27:12 am
Seriously, ZUN may just be one of the greatest when it comes to fitting music to a setting.
Yes! for this reason I was really smitten at how all the music from PCB fits together!
Well, all touhou series fit the music together so well, but PCB has been eternalized in me... sorry for being overly excited.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Ghaleon on February 06, 2010, 08:32:54 am
Yes! for this reason I was really smitten at how all the music from PCB fits together!
Well, all touhou series fit the music together so well, but PCB has been eternalized in me... sorry for being overly excited.

PCB music is my fave among the series. Pretty much every track is excellent IMO.

Other tracks in other Touhou games DO often fit the setting just like PCB, better in some cases (SA is quite possibly the best in this regard IMO). However I don't like it. I mean how the FUCK do you make a song sound like "nuclear power!"...I never would have thought it possible, but SOMEHOW, he did it with Utusho's theme, but still, I don't like the theme. Nuclear-esque music doesn't suit my tastes I suppose..

The themes and the music in PCB all fit in like blocks for me. I just wish the 'noisy' part of the phantom ensemble wasn't so repetitive. I prefer the quieter parts of their song personally.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Sabino on February 06, 2010, 08:56:56 am
Other tracks in other Touhou games DO often fit the setting just like PCB, better in some cases (SA is quite possibly the best in this regard IMO).

SA really fitted the theme too but I guess I got raped by Orin too much to notice it as a second choice.

However I don't like it. I mean how the FUCK do you make a song sound like "nuclear power!"...I never would have thought it possible, but SOMEHOW, he did it with Utusho's theme, but still, I don't like the theme.

Aww... did you like songs like Strawberry Crisis! then?
Since I was really excited when I heard Nuclear fusion because it was the awesomeness of Strawberry Crisis! with nuclear power! :)

Guess that's another significance for Touhou music. to make some connections to other stuff.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Helepolis on February 06, 2010, 10:06:41 am
I should really actively start playing the PC-98 games. Many people tell me the songs are extremely nice to listen to. I know for example that LLS and SoEW had pretty awesome tracks in them ( only two games I played few times ). Probably most is said in this thread and everybody do seems to agree on the same thing that ZUN knows how to combine music + theme + boss.

Generally, music for me is an inspiration source. A drive. When I am drawing, when I am traveling, when I am working out at the gym, when making danmakufu scripts. I don't think I can live a life on this planet without music. Probably every human being on this planet ( I hope ) has taken music a certain source of "energy". As a kid I would hum my own improvised songs while playing with toys and stuff.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Ghaleon on February 06, 2010, 10:22:01 am
Generally, music for me is an inspiration source. A drive. When I am drawing, when I am traveling, when I am working out at the gym, when making danmakufu scripts. I don't think I can live a life on this planet without music. Probably every human being on this planet ( I hope ) has taken music a certain source of "energy". As a kid I would hum my own improvised songs while playing with toys and stuff.

I used to need music while I did pretty much anything, including reading and homework. Now though... I can't concentrate on the task at hand, I have to listen to the music(assuming I like it). I still hate not having music handy when I'm housecleaning or taking my dog out for lengths greater than half hour. It can make the worst things enjoyable... I just wish I could enjoy it while vacuuming. Vacuum is too loud, and I don't want noise canceling headphones because I like to be aware of my surrounds while listening (especially since drivers are CRAZY).
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Kinzo the Astro Curious on February 06, 2010, 12:02:16 pm
It actually makes me upset when I hear people say "I play with the music turned off" (not touhou, but any game). I mean...ugh... I know everyone is entitled to their on likes and dislikes, but playing a game without listening to its music is almost like reading every even chapter of a book and skipping the odd ones for no good reason.

I can prove that theory wrong using one game. "GTA SA" oh god the music in that was bloody horrible. I know they were matching it to the atmosphere, but I really dont like that kinda music. so I used to plug in headphones to my CD player and turn radio volume to zero  :V

Generally, music for me is an inspiration source. A drive. When I am drawing, when I am traveling, when I am working out at the gym, when making danmakufu scripts. I don't think I can live a life on this planet without music. Probably every human being on this planet ( I hope ) has taken music a certain source of "energy". As a kid I would hum my own improvised songs while playing with toys and stuff.

Its become too true for me lol. Always listening to doujin music now everywhere. Seems like I cant get on with life without it now lol. Work - need music. Bus? need music. Just feel like I'd go mad without it. (not that I dont listen to regular music... very ocassionally)

But more on topic, I think ZUN's done a fantastic job of matching themes to the battles and characters. I think thats what makes him a genius and what makes his games so popular is just that. Only a few themes I think are slightly off, Lettys i think was a bit too quick for its position. Not to say it isnt a good theme though, heard some good mixes of it.

Love the way the boss themes tie in so well, but I'd love theme more if only I could actually hear them all the way through for a change! *Bzzwaarp life gone* Border of life is probably my fave, not only for the song but the danmaku patterns, the enviroment, character, story, it all fits I think. Excuse me... I'm off to play PCB
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Aisha on February 06, 2010, 01:59:58 pm
The music alone isn't that important to me. I don't place any more emphasis on it than I do graphics. These things are nice when they're good and fit well with the action and setting, but ultimately, it's the gameplay that matters: the game must be fun. If either or both the music or graphics are weak, I can tolerate them easily and still enjoy the game, so as long as it's entertaining. If it isn't, then I'm not going to play it; if I happen to just like the music, it's likely that it will wind up on my playlist.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Solais on February 06, 2010, 05:22:39 pm
A game without music is very boring. Most of the time I remember games because of their music.

Also what Fightest said.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Nobu on February 06, 2010, 05:54:15 pm
I probably don't need to mention that each character's theme has a very large part in presenting their personality to me.

No wai. :V I'm pretty much the same way. I honestly don't think i'd like Touhou that much without the music, because that's where a large portion of the "spirit" of the game is held.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: SupahVee1234 on February 06, 2010, 06:56:24 pm
I love Touhou's music and it's a very important part of the game in my opinion.

Anyway, I always wanted to ask this: does ZUN create all the themes first, then chooses which one fits more to each boss, or does he create themes thinking about a specific boss?
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Orreries on February 06, 2010, 07:16:35 pm
Touhou's probably one of the etremely few games I've ever played in which I've never muted the music except occasionally to listen to a playlist of doujin arranges that are related to the specific game I'm on. But the originals are really great, so unless I'm super determined mode and decide to switch to IRON ATTACK! and other metal or faster rock arranges, or some other particular mood, I just leave the ingame BGM on~
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Drake on February 06, 2010, 07:18:07 pm
create all the themes first, then chooses which one fits more to each boss?
You will always fail at music forever if this is the stance you take.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Hyperbole1729 on February 06, 2010, 09:28:00 pm
Like a lot of other people, the music is a big part of what got me into Touhou at first. All the atmosphere it gives and the particular synch with what happens in the stages are really important to me.
And I also like how it sometimes seem to be synched with the dialogues. Like before Remilia with Marisa, the song picks up just at the moment the dialogue finishes and same thing with Marisa-Alice against Reimu; the song seems to really start at the moment Marisa says "It's all Alice's fault". Those small things always get me even more into it.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Helepolis on February 06, 2010, 09:55:29 pm
I used to need music while I did pretty much anything, including reading and homework. Now though... I can't concentrate on the task at hand, I have to listen to the music(assuming I like it). I still hate not having music handy when I'm housecleaning or taking my dog out for lengths greater than half hour. It can make the worst things enjoyable... I just wish I could enjoy it while vacuuming. Vacuum is too loud, and I don't want noise canceling headphones because I like to be aware of my surrounds while listening (especially since drivers are CRAZY).

Oh yea, I know exactly what you mean. When I am cleaning my room on a sunday or saturday, the streaming jazz radio goes on. Though homework + music can be sometimes distracting. Depends on what type of homework you are doing though.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Helion on February 06, 2010, 11:10:24 pm
DbU's remixes of UFO soundtrack are pretty much the subsided lounge version. Perfect to relax to when doing something else. Especially  U 4 R (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLjaOBotndM).

/advertising

In all seriousness, I feel I need to be more precise: a game or even a movie without a good soundtrack often kills itself in my eyes (or ears, more like). Sound is extremely important in setting the right atmosphere, you can't do without. That's why playing without music to me is heresy, even Oblivion's soundtrack, repetitive as it was because you heard it all by the 5th hour of play, was good in setting the theme, especially for the exploration outside. The gameplay, good as it might be, has never been enough for me.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Kinzo the Astro Curious on February 06, 2010, 11:15:59 pm
I seriously find working easier with music. Otherwise I find I get bored and lose attention altogether lol.

especially in our most boring lectures, I pop in headphones to stop me falling asleep. at least half getting something in is better than zonking out on the desk and getting nothing whatsoever lol. Helped loads during revision, people kept telling me it wouldn't work, I'm certain it did.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Esifex on February 07, 2010, 03:58:46 am
I will literally go insane in silence - my mind starts to think itself into oblivion. Could be because of my sensitivity to extra-normal stimuli, or maybe I just have an unstable mind.

When I was four years old, I was hit by a minivan. Immediately, I had an out-of-body experience, wherein I watched me pull myself halfway out from under the van before collapsing, then my mother ran out of our house and pulled me the rest of the way out. I didn't re-enter my body until Mom had brought me all the way inside and laid me down on some towels; from this, I had a broken arm, knee, and a fractured skull.
Later in life - around five or six - I was attacked by a dog and had my ear nearly torn off. In the 'excitement', I fell and struck my head - that, or the dog rocked my hard enough to trigger it again, and I was watching myself from an outside point-of-view. To describe it simply, I was suddenly in third-person view. I lacked absolute control over myself while this was happening, though - I was guided from where I'd been bitten to get my ear cleaned up and bandaged, then sent with my parents to our family physician. Sometime during the trip to get back to my parents did I regain complete control.

Now, in life, if it's silent, I slowly start to seep away from myself. I can't turn about and look at me, though - not that I've tried, honestly. I don't like the sensation - I can't focus on anything, and pretty much everything around me pulls my attention. It's like having twenty people stand in front of you, each with something in their hands, all telling you to look at their object first.

For me, music gives me something to absolutely focus on. I can tune out all the distractions and the headaches and what have you, and turn my focus to any task at hand much more smoothly than just trying to lock onto the work and go at it.

I got into Touhou first because a friend of mine - probably the closest thing to a girlfriend I had at the time - was just as wildly obsessed with it as I am now. Never one to pass up new experiences, she'd tell me about it alllllll the time, and I'd do my best to get all the weird names straight in my head. Eventually, I got ahold of a copy of PCB and then IN. Played them, failed miserably. Loved the music.

Looked on YouTube for copies of the music to add to my favorites, found doujin remixes and arranges, and fell instantly in love. Now, I try my hand at writing in the Gensokyo universe (as well as having like a gig of Toujin on my other laptop). Imagine that, most of the time I do the writing while listening to Touhou music, and the energy and emotion that's conveyed through them help me craft my writing to match the emotion I want to express. In Everlasting Wanderers, Sara is currently going through lots of confusion and some jealousy. Listen to C-CLAYS 'Legend of Green Eyes' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5U1THLG6ZQ) (three guesses whos theme that's an arrange of, and the first two don't count) - can you tell that's what I listened to when writing up Sara's confusion?

I'd just discovered THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgigJ8-pwoM) arrange when I decided to start Everlasting Wanderers. It made sense to have them come across the Human Village, and of course Keine would have to be involved. Her stage music alone got me interested enough to look up more info about her accepted abilities and personality traits.

TL;DR - Near death experience screwed up my head, makes me out of tune with myself in silence - discovered that Touhou music kicks ass and works wonders at keeping me grounded.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: SupahVee1234 on February 07, 2010, 10:59:55 am
DbU's remixes of UFO soundtrack are pretty much the subsided lounge version. Perfect to relax to when doing something else. Especially  U 4 R (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLjaOBotndM).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOW3gig9vdg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARt4RBz9zJo

Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: CK Crash on February 07, 2010, 06:03:59 pm
Music is like 90% of the inspiration for me to Danmakufu something. When a character has a good theme, it makes them that much more interesting to me.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Silent Harmony on February 07, 2010, 06:18:48 pm
/delurk

Music is, without a doubt, the main reason why I've stuck with Touhou so long, despite not putting a lot of effort nor getting a lot of success out of it. The soundtrack for this series has had it's ups and downs, but more often than not I love the arranges Zun puts out, and the fan arranges are nothing short of spectacular at times. There are so many original tracks and remixes that it's impossible to get bored.

In fact, this series went a long ways to reminding me how much I enjoyed music when I was younger, I was too bogged down in bad high-school memories to remember how much I just enjoyed playing itself. Now I have a guitar (my first instrument in 4 years) and am helping with the Tab project when I have the time, and am truly enjoying it.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Chainsaw Guitar on February 08, 2010, 01:38:47 am
The music alone isn't that important to me. I don't place any more emphasis on it than I do graphics. These things are nice when they're good and fit well with the action and setting, but ultimately, it's the gameplay that matters: the game must be fun. If either or both the music or graphics are weak, I can tolerate them easily and still enjoy the game, so as long as it's entertaining. If it isn't, then I'm not going to play it; if I happen to just like the music, it's likely that it will wind up on my playlist.

I agree. Triggerheart Exelica has the shittiest video game music I've heard in recent memory, and I still enjoy it more than the later Touhou games. >_>
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: mew77 on February 08, 2010, 01:57:59 am
I haven't listened to anything other than touhou music for many months now..I fear I may have become addicted to the music. Anyway I tend to like a character almost exclusively based on their theme. If I can't find an original I can always find a remix I like. the only exception to this is suwako, who is great just because of that hat.

There was this one time I was watching classmates evade the policei n need for speed while various touhou songs played in my mp3. Needless to say it got quite funny.

Touhou songs have a strange way of popping up in my life.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: dogseatfood on February 08, 2010, 03:42:22 am
Music in any game helps set the emotion.
When It comes to touhou having some up beat Midi,
get's me really in the zone and it allows me to focus on the game.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: orinrin on February 08, 2010, 04:53:07 am
Didn't ZUN begin creating the games because he wanted to make music at first?

I don't think anyone is stating that music is the most important factor, but it is still very important.
Imagine if all the boss/stage themes became generic crap that you were forced to listen to through and through.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Seian Verian on February 09, 2010, 08:28:04 pm
I find that the music in a game, Touhou or not, is extremely important to me. I can enjoy a game if the music is sub-par, provided that the gameplay is good enough, but amazing music to go with it... THAT is what truly will make it amazing. One of the things that I will always remember about a game is when the music comes on, and I think it's freaking awesome.

Actually, my favorite video games do tend to have awesome music. Games made by Gust all have the most amazing soundtracks EVER, and they are my favorite games that aren't Touhou...

As far as music in Touhou, I found the games because of the music. I was searching around on youtube, found a song called "Fate of Sixty Years" though to be specific, it was the SSH remix... I listened to other remixes, found other songs, and eventually discovered the games.

On a side note, I am ALWAYS listening to music when I can be. When the music stops, and the silence comes, it just... Doesn't feel right. At all.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Coin Spire on February 13, 2010, 04:34:11 am
Music is important in games, since it influences the current psyche of the player.

I.E, fast-paced music gives energy to the player while long-drawn out BGMs almost always makes the player feel stressed and worn out.

That's why the Stage 6 Music of EoSD makes you feel tense, but when Septette kicks in, you suddenly feel alive.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Helion on February 13, 2010, 10:06:36 am
Septette is a strange BGM. To me, it has a feeling of despair, of being faced with someone invincible, then it feels like it's throwing everything it has at you. Problem is, it feels like Remilia is the one facing this invincible enemy and throwing everything she has out of despair.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Coin Spire on February 15, 2010, 03:15:04 am
When Septette's bridge part kicks in, I always feel so happy in contrast to the release effect of the Septette's chorus.

Pretty much how the transition from verse -> chorus in Ghostly Band~Phantom Ensemble feels. And the 2 beat rest even emphasizes it. :D


I really hate the dissonance-inducing tracks like Youmu's and Sakuya's Lunar Clock dial. It makes me feel so helpless. :/

I prefer songs with build-up intros like Princess Inada is Scolding Me and Dark Side of Fate.

Or the emotional discrepancy in Candid Friend. It feels like it's trying to project a different emotion than what it really feels. In a song, I could even call it a 'tsundere', but that would be wrong...
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: 9/4 on February 15, 2010, 03:36:44 am
Music will influence how you play a little bit. But, interpretation is personal. It will affect everyone differently. Only up to a certain point caone be affected the same as others. Just a theory: Touhou music is always pretty fast in some way. It probably wants to get people nervous. If it were slow, you would realize that the bullets are slower than you thought, but you would just go slower, also.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Coin Spire on February 15, 2010, 04:36:29 am
I feel relaxed on most themes though. It's mostly the Stage 5 themes that gets on my nerves.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Omnifish on February 15, 2010, 05:48:27 am
Music is narrowly beaten by characters and setting as the most important thing I take into consideration when deciding to play a game or watch a show.  For any game with a great soundtrack (Modern Warfare 2, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy, etc) I probably spend more time just listening than I do actually playing the game.  Touhou even more so, I remember the first time I played PCB I immediately put Hiroari Shoots a Strange Bird ~ Till When? on my MP3 players and listened to just that for more than an hour.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Helion on February 15, 2010, 01:53:03 pm
I really hate the dissonance-inducing tracks like Youmu's

I prefer songs with build-up intros like Princess Inada is Scolding Me and Dark Side of Fate.
Seconded, but in part. I love Luna Dial: it's dark, ominous and yet not depressing, and depicts a really dangerous Sakuya, as opposed to Flowering Night. Who knows, maybe she got soft over time.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Hello Purvis on February 15, 2010, 02:43:53 pm
We figured out Sakuya was mostly fronting and she's actually a big pussycat~
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Coin Spire on February 16, 2010, 01:23:01 am
We figured out Sakuya was mostly fronting and she's actually a big pussycat~

Wasn't she a dog? *is shot*


Seriously, I like Flowering Night since I associate knife throwing with the grace needed for the legato movements of the track.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: KrackoCloud on February 16, 2010, 01:29:35 am
Music is a fundamental factor in helping me endure the violent and painful journey that is Touhou games.
If the music was your average video game stuff, or there was none at all, I probably would've seen little more than a really, really hard game not worth my time.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Coin Spire on February 16, 2010, 02:45:25 am
Aside from the music, I also like the pretty patte--*dies*

Continue? (1 left)
Yes
No

:(

Pretty how much I reacted to Meiling's first midboss spellcard in EoSD Normal.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Reddyne on February 16, 2010, 03:04:12 am
A solid music track has influenced my choice in video games for as long as I can remember, and Touhou is no different. Come to think, since the boss themes (and some stage themes) are essentially leitmotifs for each boss, the music serves an even bigger part than usually in conveying each character's personality and even plays a hand in deciding my favorite characters as well.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: mew77 on February 16, 2010, 02:14:31 pm
But red?

Does it ever get to a point where you can't stand the character herself but love the theme and then have to find some compromise between the two which ends in liking the character.

Touhou's music tends to serve a greater purpose than other games' music. Courtesy of captain obvious.
Aside from the music, I also like the pretty patte--*dies*

Continue? (1 left)
Yes
No

:(

Pretty how much I reacted to Meiling's first midboss spellcard in EoSD Normal.

Pretty much how i react to stage 2 and 3

Darned laser festival (SA stage 3) how come the music's so great?

Kogasa = taste the rainbow
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Reddyne on February 16, 2010, 10:43:19 pm
But red?

Does it ever get to a point where you can't stand the character herself but love the theme and then have to find some compromise between the two which ends in liking the character.

Sort of? It's more of one thing overriding another. There is a single instance of the only Touhou that I dislike clashing with a tune I enjoy from a general standpoint. Still, her canon AND fanon personality would most likely result in the two of us constantly at each others' throats. Hence, a grand total of ONE instance(s) of disliking a character but liking her theme song.

Inversely, there are numerous characters with themes I enjoy and there seems to be a direct correlation between my favorite songs and my favorite characters. It's not a universal system without outliers, but for the most part, the system works.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Hello Purvis on February 16, 2010, 11:13:11 pm
Darned laser festival (SA stage 3) how come the music's so great?

Because Former Hell knows how to party. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCA-MSAralM)
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Kinzo the Astro Curious on February 16, 2010, 11:45:52 pm
Thinking of music, I listened to Riddles covered in flowers today. And -enjoyed- it.

Last time I listened to it I felt a feeling of sour disapointment. Its lack of epic just makes it easy listening UI-70, I suppose?
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: mew77 on February 17, 2010, 01:51:28 pm
The awesomeness of the song: Walking the Streets of a Former Hell makes up for the times I panic-splode on blue lasers
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Helion on February 17, 2010, 02:45:12 pm
I don't care how much BS SA stage 5 is. Lullaby of deserted hell is always worth it.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Solais on February 17, 2010, 05:02:06 pm
I don't care how much BS SA stage 5 is. Lullaby of deserted hell is always worth it.

Yes. Even though, since Ruro, it's not that hard.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: axman36 on February 18, 2010, 04:31:35 am
I agree that music has a great effect upon the games that I play.

Among every game I can think of, there's always at least one song that has stuck in my head that I can always remember and refer to the game through, ranging from Kirby Superstar with King Dedede's theme to Modern Warfare 2's Boneyard Flyby theme. The only game I can think of that I do not actually recall a song for is Bioshock as that game's atmosphere allows the lack of music to work perfectly. The songs really do highlight parts of the game and make the experience so much better. They make Resident Evil 2 even more creepier, Call of Duty so much more action packed, etc.

One of the reasons I got into Touhou was of course, the music. I heard one of the songs and that got me hooked into the series. The songs always feel perfect for the area that I'm in and get me more into the game than without it, though it does distract me of my focus at times. My first attempt against Flandre ended incredibly quick because I was too busy singing too her theme to actually notice half the bullets. Either way I would of died as quickly as I did. Fun to make excuses though.
Title: Re: The importance of music
Post by: Drake on February 18, 2010, 04:48:46 am
even after dying i just listen to the game over music for an hour anyways