Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Rika and Nitori's Garage Experiments => Topic started by: Blargel on December 09, 2009, 02:35:57 PM
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I ran out of stuff to do at work ( :V ) and thought that I needed something to do
to look like I'm still working and deserve to be paid. I thought maybe making a website would be a good use of my time since I can definitely improve on that.
That said, someone suggested that I should make a site similar to YouTube for Danmakufu, but instead of videos, you upload rars of your scripts. Then, other people can download them, rate them and leave comments. I was thinking maybe you can embed a video of a YouTube video if you have one, upload screenshots of the script (maybe to a different site like Flickr and you give the image url to a form when editing description, title, and whatever -- save some hosting space for the actual scripts :V). On top of comments and ratings, I can probably find a good way to organize replays for specific scripts too. There would also be a tagging and search system to make it easier to find stuff. Your account page will, of course, hold all your scripts and replays which you can delete and edit and other people can view to see all your uploads.
I can add a bunch of other stuff too once the basic functionality is working (though depending on the complexity of it, it may take a while), but before I start, I just wanted to know if anyone would even use it. I think with a search feature, tagging, usernames, ratings, comments, and replay uploads, it would make organizing all of our scripts much easier and old scripts won't get lost in a backlog of forum posts (or giant pages of lists on a wiki).
What do you guys think?
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This would be very useful, but considering how many people actually use danmakufu... I doubt if it'll be used that much... lately, nothing much get's released by people anymore (although this might motivate some to)... overall it's really a good idea for the convenience of everyone... but is it really THAT worth it? (I'd gladly use it btw, but I haven't even posted anything yet, other than my zodiac extra stage... even though I have
tons of danmakufu stuff in this computer)
*just expressing my honest opinion*
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So it's a good idea, but totally not worth spending time over? Well, my primary objective is to gain experience and level up in web development. If the website flops, oh well. If it goes well, yay! Of course I'm not gonna make the website if everyone says it's a bad idea, but if there's some general interest that outweighs the negative possibilities, I'll give it shot.
Also, I just realized I don't have a domain or even a name picked out. And I'm utter fail at design. Oh well, design and a name is the least of my worries.
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saying once and only once: do want
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This sounds like an interesting idea. It'd be nice to have hosting for scripts that isn't Mediafire or whatever, if nothing else. We could start by populating it with everything we've made so far, single spells, game betas, contest entries, things like that.
It should also be possible to add support for Musuu and...whatever your STG maker is named when those come out, right?
This could potentially be a bandwidth heavy site though, can you afford the hosting on something like this if it gets popular?
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Of course support for Musuu and "whatever the other STG maker is called" (maybe I should name it that :V) will be added when they come out. At the moment, I'm not too sure how that's gonna be organized, but we'll cross that hurdle when we get there. As for potential bandwidth problems, I'll start off by having a small button somewhere asking for donations to help out costs. If I start being unable to cover the leftover cost, you may start seeing ads on the site.
Or I can make you pay for premium accounts lololololol
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Well, it a good idea and I glad to see when it done.
One thing I worry is about hosting BW / space. If the scripts have some resource, song / image - they'll become larger and larger in size.
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Well, I've seen sites like this; ( *shameless advetizing* (http://www.nmaps.net/browse?q=author:ChaoStar) ) And I think that it's a good idea. Because, even if there aren't many people who Danmakufu, the site may attract some new folks. Either way, it can't hurt us.
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Definitely. I had this idea before (which is what led to the creation of this section (http://dmf.shrinemaiden.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#User-Made_Content)), but a full website would be much better. If space is an issue, then you can just have the files hosted off-site, which is perfectly fine.
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Two words:
DO. IT.
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Okay, I guess I'll get started on this then. I'll worry about bandwidth and hosting space when I need to.
In the meantime, anyone got a name? I was thinking DANMAKOEFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFOOOOEEEE, but i dont think that domain name will be very easy to remember. :V
EDIT: I'd like something that's not taken by another thing already that would be easy to remember. A corresponding domain name that hasn't been taken yet is a plus too.
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Your biggest problem here would be bandwith and hosting indeed. As we all know, nothing comes for free in this world ( NOTHING ).
So I am curious how you are going to handle the payment because aside from donations I don't see how you are going to pay it ( unless you are rich with nine zeros behind your bank account ).
Maybe ask a redirection url from Motk so it becomes like: dnh.shrinemaiden.org - or something?
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I doubt anyone really cares enough to figure out what the hell this is if they don't know already, but here: have a git repository tracking my progress (http://github.com/Blargel/danmaku_site/commits/master).
Now, seriously, someone start throwing names at me so we have something to call it. Calling it "danmaku_site" isn't so creative.
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Danmakutube?
Nah we can do better than that...
PHANTASMAGORIA OF DANMAKU VIEW?
...Somebody else do this :|
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LetsDoSomeFuckingDanmaku.com/net/whatever
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danmakoefoe.com
th_dnhdb.com
danmakufudb.com
danmakufustuff.com
danmakufuthings.com
:V
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danmakufumaiden dmfmaiden
danmakufugensokyo dmfgensokyo
danmakufuestate dmfestate
...well, I tried, whatever...
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If this'll support other STG maker, may be can't stick with danmakufu?
danmaku heaven ..... sound like adult
border of bullet and creation ..... too long . BoBaC !?
create the bullet ..... what bullet?
create the danmaku ..... .....
danmaku realm ..... ..... .....
brofit addict :V
I'm bad at name too oTL~ (Dictionary == my best friend when I need a name for something.)
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Danmakungfoo
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Touhou Danmakufu: Genesis of an Oriental Paradise
...
What? :V
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You all fail at naming sense. Except possibly Zengar/Naut. Get rid of the Fucking and it might actually work: LetsDoSomeDanmaku.com. Thinking on a similar line, HaveSomeBullets.com sounds kinda funny.
EDIT: Funnily enough, if I wanted to abbreviate LetsDoSomeDanmaku, unfortunately, ldsd.com/net/org is already taken. However, ldsfd.com is available. How great would it be if the domain was ldsfd.com but the banner at the top just said Let's Do Some Danmaku? Let everyone figure out what's missing :V
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danmaku realm ..... ..... .....
I though about that as a name...but then I figured it was already used...or I don't know...
Letsdanmaku.com
Letsalldanmaku.com
Danmakuresort.com(?...)
I'll stop now...
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I though about that as a name...but then I figured it was already used...or I don't know...
Letsdanmaku.com
Letsalldanmaku.com
Danmakuresort.com(?...)
I'll stop now...
justmakethatdanmaku.com makesomefuckingdanmaku.com :V
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Would LetsMakeSomeDanmaku/lmsd work?
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Danmaku-Dojo?
As for the content of the site, having a good rating system for uploads would be important. I'm thinking of splitting it in various categories (pattern-quality, presentation, etc.) and divide between public rating and mod-rating. It would be neccessary, since, as anyone who browses public uploads like youtube videos or MUGEN files knows, a large percentage of the visitors will give unreasonable ratings. You upload a really crappily done amv to some random Linkin Park song? Why, I like LP, 5 stars! You upload a b0rked Naruto character with glitched graphics and undodgable one-hit-kills? Why, I like Naruto, 5 stars! Suikama uploads his dead-simple contest entry? Why, that was funny, the script gets 5 stars!
(No offense, Suikama, but I think you'll agree that, while hilarious, your entry does not have any danmaku that is fun to dodge.) :V
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I like this idea.
Expending on what Iryan posted, there should definitely be certain categories that should be applicable for uploads.
First and foremost, the game engine the script is for. People need to know whether "OMGt3hDanmeku111" is going to burn their eyes out in Danmakufu, Musuu, or The Blargel Siblings' Danmaku Engine :V
Second, I think an overall categorization of the type of script should be had. This would mainly distinguish the general characteristics of the script (for instance, 'joke', 'full game', 'single pattern', 'contest'). This would probably be best done as a tag system, such that multiple ones could be assigned to each upload (for instance, Suikama's YOU ARE DEAD hilarity could be found by searching 'joke' and 'contest' ... or something like that).
Also, another detail to consider - will updated versions of scripts be uploaded as new entries, or as updates to old entries? I think the latter is better, but that could just be me.
hmm ... with that, perhaps I could get Musuu to interface with the site and allow users to search it conveniently from within the program itself. Perhaps even automatically check for updates on scripts and notify the player. Certainly would be a very-far-down-the-road-low-priority feature, but I can brainstorm, right? :D
And, to add to the pool of crappy name suggestions:
danmakudreams.com/org/net
... but what the hell do I know about naming websites?
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This is probably out there, but it would be cool if there was a script creator program that generates text files based on user input for people who don't know how to code. Like have a javascript program will buttons and menus and stuff and you choose what types of patterns spawn at what intervels and stuff. It would be really time consuming to make, but quite awesome and be a great way to get other people to use danmakufu (even if they aren't really 'using' it :V)
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You all fail at naming sense. Except possibly Zengar/Naut.
Hey hey hey hey D: that hurts. dnh.shrinemaiden.org was pretty neutral and simple. :|
Die Blargel ! RED THE NIGHTLESS CASTLE
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Iryan:
Yes, that's a good idea. However, which voting categories is a good question.
For example, if I make the categories visuals, sound, and design, then would it be fair for some scripts to have a lower overall score because their focus wasn't visuals or sound (or design?). I'll need to think this over (or again, people can make suggestions).
Nuclear Cheese:
I was thinking the categories would be Single, Plural, Stage, Player, and Full Game. Then, in another drop down box, you would select which engine the script is for. Last, you can write in extra tags yourself to specify if it's a joke, contest entry, or whatever else would be relevant.
Suikama:
That idea is doable, but not by me. I'm making a WEBSITE, not a PROGRAM.
Bribe NC to do it with five bucks, maybe
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Nuclear Cheese:
Forgot to address the updated scripts part. I believe it should depend on the user. If you want to update your upload, go for it. If you want to make a new upload so you have some sort of versioning history, that's fine too. Of course, please be reasonable if you're going to be uploading new scripts instead of updating the old ones. I don't want to see a 30 versions of the same script whose only difference is a minor tweak. Make it a big update every time.
Helepolis:
Me want own domain. D:
And also wouldn't dnh.shrinemaiden.org get kinda confused with dmf.shrinemainden.org?
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www.starthelepolis.com
It's catchy.
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Helepolis:
Me want own domain. D:
And also wouldn't dnh.shrinemaiden.org get kinda confused with dmf.shrinemainden.org?
Silly me forgot.
/me bashes head
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Okay better idea for the multiple versions of the same script organization problem. You create projects on the site that has a title, description, category, engine, and tags. After the page is created, you upload scripts to that page and they show up in a list with the newest one on top and in bold. The project's overall rating is the best rated upload in that project. If people only want the newest version to be available, they can just delete previous uploads.
So the set-up is: A user has many projects. A project has many uploads. An upload has many replays. A project will also have many screen shots.
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Don't forget the rating, commenting, and Hearting features~ *nyan*
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Okay, I just realized that my approach to this is all wrong (hey, I'm learning something, yay). I need to plan out the whole basic structure first before I can start building it, but I'm having trouble with that because I don't know what's a good way to organize it.
So far this is what I got.
User
- Has and can create many projects.
- Has and can upload many versions to his/her own projects
- Has and can upload many replays to any project.
- Has and can post many comments on other users, projects, and versions.
- Has many comments on his/her own user page
- Can rate many versions, but only once per version.
- Can watch many projects and users (pretty much favoriting/subscribing)
- Has many watchers
Project
- Has many versions.
- Has many comments.
- Has many users watching it.
Version
- Has one file upload.
- Has many replays.
- Has many comments.
- Has many ratings.
That's about the gist of it. There's gonna be a lot more going on in the background in the actual code, but you don't need to know about that.
NOW, the reason I bring this up is for two reasons:
1.) You'll notice you rate the VERSIONS, and not the projects themselves. I was thinking that the projects would have two rating displays: Total rating (which is an average of ratings across all versions) and rating for the current version (which is the latest version's rating).
2.) If there's versions on this website, it'll increase the amount of hosting space needed.
Basically, a versioning feature on the site would make project rating organization kinda awkward AND may cause me to spend more money sooner. Does anyone have a better idea? Or perhaps this actually sounds like a good idea and I should start working on it?
For now, I'm gonna work on user authentication and logging in until we get a solid design.
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I don't think hosting all the versions should be a good idea, actually. After all the latest one is supposed to be the best one, right?
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Yeah I don't see any reason to host outdated versions. If you update a project, maybe do something to indicate that were made on an older version or something?
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The weird thing about updating a project without previous versions is this:
Let's assume SuperAwesomeScript has 150 downloads (boy, I wish my scripts got downloaded that much), 10 comments, and an average rating of 4.7/5.0 from 25 total ratings. When SuperAwesomeScript gets updated, obviously the comments can be carried over. Carrying over downloads isn't too strange either.
However, should you carry over ratings too? What if the first version had a few issues that caused people to rate it lower that the newer version doesn't have? The newer version would be rated higher than the earlier version, but the people who voted already can't change their rating because they already rated it. If you don't carry over ratings though, it would be strange to see a new version of a script suddenly only have very few ratings.
Carrying over ratings and allowing users to edit their ratings would somewhat solve the problem, but if a user rates it with a 0 and never checks it again because he totally didn't like it for whatever reason, that 0 is gonna be skewing the average even if the new version is good enough for that user to give it a better score.
EDIT: Oh also, bulletforge.org or shotforge.org? :V
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There's really no good solution. I would reset ratings when a script is updated (and allow people to rate it again).
bulletforge.org might be the coolest sounding website I've ever heard.
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The problem why the community is so small is that it is hard to jump in.
Unlike Lunar Magic and SMW which is mostly self explanatory and has tons of tutorials, danmakufu is just really hard to grasp at first.
I propose we get better documentation and promote newcomers first before we make a website. However, if you insist to make a site as soon as possible, I agree that bulletforge.org is awesome
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EDIT: Oh also, bulletforge.org or shotforge.org? :V
Bulletforge, no question. You'd better register the domain before someone else snatches it up.
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Hopefully no one will confuse it with http://www.bulletforge.com/
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If your code is decent enough I would be more than happy to host it here under dmf.shrinemaiden.org or bulletforge.shrinemaiden.org or whatever you want to do (like if you get your own domain). Triela has enough space and enough bandwidth to handle it (and I'm a competent admin o/)
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The problem why the community is so small is that it is hard to jump in.
Unlike Lunar Magic and SMW which is mostly self explanatory and has tons of tutorials, danmakufu is just really hard to grasp at first.
I propose we get better documentation and promote newcomers first before we make a website. However, if you insist to make a site as soon as possible, I agree that bulletforge.org is awesome
The thing about LunarMagic and similar things like Warcraft's World Editor is that there is a graphical user interface. That makes a huge difference about how easy things are to learn. However, a graphical user interface also tends to be more limiting than pure code which I guess the maker of Danmakufu was trying to avoid. That or since it was version 0.12, he didn't get that far yet. Anyway my point is, don't we actually already have a lot of people trying to learn considering how hard it is to learn already? I think a website like this would probably gather more attention and make the community grow even more.
Hopefully no one will confuse it with http://www.bulletforge.com/
Lol, damn it. I'm still gonna use it though <_<
If your code is decent enough I would be more than happy to host it here under dmf.shrinemaiden.org or bulletforge.shrinemaiden.org or whatever you want to do (like if you get your own domain). Triela has enough space and enough bandwidth to handle it (and I'm a competent admin \o/)
I'm pretty sure the code is going to be at least "decent". It's going to be a Rails application though which I believe takes more resources to run than a Merb or Sinatra application. But anyway, my brother already has a service that hardly gets used (it only has two blogs that don't get that many views) that he said I can put it on for now.
bulletforge.shrinemaiden.org might be better than bulletforge.org too since it's less in danger of being mistaken with the .com and more obviously related to Touhou. Well first I gotta make it.
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Possible system:
[Project: Game]
[Scripts] (optional, in the event that a single script relies on many outside files)
[Screenshots]
[Ratings]
[Comments]
[Replays]
[Screenshots]
[Ratings]
[Comments]
[Reviews]
[Replays]
[Project: Boss]
[Screenshots]
[Ratings]
[Comments]
[Replays]
[Project: Resource]
[Screenshots]
[Ratings]
[Comments]
Users reuploading a script can choose whether everything related is retained. That way, if a replay desynching change is made, then the user can just decide to carry over everything else but the replays.
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I'm pretty sure the code is going to be at least "decent". It's going to be a Rails application though which I believe takes more resources to run than a Merb or Sinatra application. But anyway, my brother already has a service that hardly gets used (it only has two blogs that don't get that many views) that he said I can put it on for now.
If it's going to be Rails I'm already using LigHTTPd on Triela so it'd be like nothing for me to slap it on later if you want, up to you of course. Advantages of us hosting include me as an admin, full SQL support from PostgreSQL, and the site can easily accommodate the CPU/bandwidth load.
Whatever you do please don't code the DB backend to MySQL because MySQL is garbage and horrible. Flatfiles would be more reliable than MySQL honestly.
bulletforge.shrinemaiden.org might be better than bulletforge.org too since it's less in danger of being mistaken with the .com and more obviously related to Touhou. Well first I gotta make it.
If we host it or you find another host, let me know and I'll gladly setup the DNS entries and stuff for it.
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Okay, well I have no idea how to use LigHTTPd as a proxy to Rails. I used to use nginx instead so you'll probably have to help me with deployment. Other than that, yeah I guess I'll be taking you up on your offer then. And yes, PostgreSQL is awesome.
Oh yeah, how many Mongrel instances can you afford? I was hoping for two to four to start with. :V
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You don't need Mongrel, just some sort of FastCGI dispatcher for Rails like dispatch.fcgi. Mongrel is for servers that don't support FastCGI or have crappy support (like Apache), as it provides a whole HTTP server stack you just proxy to.
Since I use LigHTTPd on Triela FastCGI works beautifully, you just need to use a dispatcher instead of proxying to Mongrel.
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You don't need Mongrel, just some sort of FastCGI dispatcher for Rails like dispatch.fcgi. Mongrel is for servers that don't support FastCGI or have crappy support (like Apache), as it provides a whole HTTP server stack you just proxy to.
Since I use LigHTTPd on Triela FastCGI works beautifully, you just need to use a dispatcher instead of proxying to Mongrel.
Not too experienced in that, but it can't be that hard to figure out. :V (Technically I'm not experienced in deploying websites in general since I've only done it once with the help of someone else.)
Okay now for a progress update:
User login/logout is working.
Project creation is working.
Versioning is working. In fact, I force people to version because it helps with organization.
Script uploading is working.
Project/version commenting is working.
User commenting is working.
Project categories are not implemented yet. (Single, Plural, Player, etc.)
Project tags are not implemented yet. (contest, joke, brofist, etc.)
Project searching is not implemented yet.
Project/user watching is not implemented yet. (Similar to favoriting and subscribing on YouTube)
Project ratings are not implemented yet. (Need help on this, see below)
Design is not implemented yet. (Need help on this too, see below)
About project ratings: Making people rate with different categories is troublesome for both me as the developer because it takes some thinking to code and for the users because you have to click more than once or twice and possibly even type before you submit your rating. For the users, I think it might actually discourage people from voting just because it takes too long. For me, that's too much of a pain in the ass for something that will actually discourage users from using it. That said, I propose one of these three things as the rating system:
1.) Thumbs up/thumbs down
2.) A number from 1 to 5 or 1 to 10
3.) Let the download counter do the talking on popularity
What do you think?
About design: I need someone with a relatively good sense of design to draw some mock ups of the pages of the site (in Illustrator or whatever). Currently, everything is in plain html with no CSS and it looks like shit. Just post in here if you're interested or PM me and I'll give some more details on it.
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Download counter + ＃/10 rating system.
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Feels like not many people care about this. :V
If only one person is gonna leave an opinion about the voting system, I might as well just do whatever the heck I want with this. Which is to voting up or down on something. Simplicity is always better in my opinion. Does it really matter if there are some unfair votes in there? Even if something gets voted up because of a silly biased reason, how many of the other voters will have the same opinion? If most people vote down, then it probably sucks and isn't worth your time. If most people vote up, then it's probably good and you can take a look.
Also, this is the easiest method to implement besides just letting the download counter tell you how popular it is.
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You know that RG is slow :V
Download counter + ＃/10 rating system.
^, unless you really want to do it the easy way.
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Naut, that short bit of IRC conversation we had about the review plugin that I found is now void. That plugin is the buggiest thing I've seen in a while and the documentation sucks. No way in hell is this thing going to work correctly. That said, I'm afraid I'll have to actually do the voting up and down plugin because it's the only one that's not overly complex or limiting. Guess I should've researched my options better.
Actually, before that, I can always write my own rating system thingy instead of installing plugins... Hmm... I think I'll wait till there's a few more opinions in here on which rating system I should put in.
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Thumb ups/down or a simple plus/minus system is all you really need anyways. Tack on a way for people to add comments/reviews for detailed explanations or questions about it.
Honestly a 1-5 kind of system is pretty useless as most people tend to vote extremes. Plus law of averages tends to make more popular things seem worse than they really are, and less popular things tend to have overinflated ratings. Compare a script that has an average rating of 3 or so over 100+ votes to a script with an average rating of 4.5 over 10 or so votes and chances are the 3 star one is better. You could do weighted averages based on number of downloads to adjust for inflation but then it just gets too complicated.
Just do what Danbooru does and have a score for each script. Vote up or favorite adds 1 to the score and vote down subtracts one. Gamereplays also does something similar with a "wub" system where if you like the replay you vote it up and if you don't then let it be. Restrict voting to only people who have downloaded and registered to prevent abusing the system. I'll gladly figure out a way to link into the login DB for the forums, saving people the trouble having to reregister and remember another login.
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Yeah, the reasons you give for the voting up/down system and against the 1-5/1-10 scale is quite similar to mine. I did notice people tended to vote in extremes because most people just think "I like it" or "I don't like it". Most don't really wanna think about how much they like it. The overall trend of the internet is moving towards the usage the voting system over the rating system too anyway.
About restricting voting to people who downloaded the script and are registered, I can limit it to registered users, but the only way to detect if someone downloaded something is to see if they clicked on the download link. That's not exactly gonna enforce that the person clicked Save, or if he did, that he played it so that feature is pretty much worthless. We'll have to go with the honor system for that one.
As for linking the login databases... yeah, that's not worth the effort in my opinion. It's only gonna take 3 fields to register for BulletForge anyway: Username, password, and password confirmation. Not even a captcha (that the user is gonna see anyway). If you insist though, I wish you good luck. It seriously probably isn't worth the trouble considering how many people use Danmakufu out of all of MotK.
EDIT: I have the greatest layout ever (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f28/Blargel/Screenshot2009-12-23at60700PM.png)!
...Seriously, anyone good at design? D:
EDIT2: Hey, I know this is just a visual thing, but apparently implementing an upload bar that shows how much has been uploaded makes no sense to me is kinda hard to do? Or I just don't know what the hell this page (http://upload.lighttpd.net/index.html) is talking about. If it's too out there, it doesn't really matter. We don't really need an upload bar when most scripts are gonna be under 1 MB. Only the people uploading big games with lots of music are gonna be bothered by a lack of progress bar.
EDIT AGAIN: Nevermind, apparently it's pretty easy if you look at this (http://redmine.lighttpd.net/wiki/1/Docs:ModUploadProgress). I just need you to configure Lighttpd for it to work.
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Lol. "how to print screen on mac" Congratz.
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Lol. "how to print screen on mac" Congratz.
Who the hell thought that Command+Shift+3 was easier to use than a single Print Screen button? I thought Macs were supposed to be user friendly. :P
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Megabump!
So yeah... pretty much everything that's needed is added and working, but the site is ugly as hell. I'm trying to group information together in a coherent and intuitive way, but it's still gonna be a really plain looking website (http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f28/Blargel/bulletforge.png) until someone can give me a decent design. So lemme repeat that:
I STILL NEED SOMEONE TO HELP WITH DESIGN
I'll be more detailed in a private message once someone actually steps up to help me.
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just popped in to say that it would be nice if the users (submitters) chose to provide screenshots (amount undecided) for their scripts, not just the scripts themselves for download. That way, people can "judge the book for its cover", and the submitters would have to have an interesting enough content to show.
Personally, I've had many trial/demo software before, that's what (I think that) left me skeptical about just downloading things (fangames, fan music, etc.) that I can't see first. (I don't mind watching videos, though)
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Already done. Just gimme a design.
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personally, I have no experience in creating designs for webpages, however, if you have, you can use these two sites for inspiration (more exactly, when I read this thread, I thought about something similar to the second link):
http://shmupthecore.blogspot.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/20080205203904/http://shootthecore.moonpod.com/
(RIP shoot the core :( )
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I end up with kind of Blog theme like this
(http://www.pocketonline.net/g2engine/d/47020-2/template.JPG) (http://www.pocketonline.net/g2engine/d/47019-1/template.JPG)
Main / Home
show 2 random project title screen - some info and BF news update?
(http://www.pocketonline.net/g2engine/d/47049-2/template-pr.JPG) (http://www.pocketonline.net/g2engine/d/47048-1/template-pr.JPG)
Project manage page
(http://www.pocketonline.net/g2engine/d/47047-2/template-nepr.JPG) (http://www.pocketonline.net/g2engine/d/47046-1/template-nepr.JPG)
new / edit project
(http://www.pocketonline.net/g2engine/d/47053-2/template-show.JPG) (http://www.pocketonline.net/g2engine/d/47052-1/template-show.JPG)
show selected project
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search result............ :'(
layout only, I'm bad at design too oTL~
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What you got isn't bad for someone that doesn't know what's supposed to be on what page. :V
I was waiting for someone to go "I'll do it" so I could send a private message with what page has what features. That way, he could do the layout and then design with those in mind, unlike how you did it. Strangely, though, you got most of the features already, but a lot of what you drew won't really work unless I redo the way my website flows because some stuff don't even exist on the pages, and some stuff is missing.
If you're interested in helping with the layout, I can send over the information, and you can just send it back when you have something. I know you said you can't do design, but if I can get the layout done, I think I might have someone else who can do the design.
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God I wish I could help with this, Does the design have to be hand made? Cause if it is I can have my Sister draw something up for it.
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:V
Sorry for my misunderstand.
To be honest, I interested.
May I ask, design must be done in example webpage or image file?
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God I wish I could help with this, Does the design have to be hand made? Cause if it is I can have my Sister draw something up for it.
:V
Sorry for my misunderstand.
To be honest, I interested.
May I ask, design must be done in example webpage or image file?
Yay! People are offering help! :V
Demonbman, layout is required first before we can add design to it. If you're sister feels like organizing information like Nimble was doing in his last post, then go ahead and send whatever the heck you want. As long as I get a general idea, it doesn't matter what format you send it to me in.
Nimble, I'll be sending over the information in a bit. How you decide to show me your design is up to you. Just use whatever is easier for you.
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(RIP shoot the core :( )
Weren't they the guys who laughed at us for having waifu threads? :V
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Weren't they the guys who laughed at us for having waifu threads? :V
iirc I've seen the link of that thread on the shmups.org forums :p
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You know what? I actually just found an interesting article on web design and I'm gonna try to do this on my own again for now. If it turns out to be harder than I thought, then I'll ask for help again.
Also my brother is telling me about 5 billion things I should do for the site instead of what I'm currently doing and I'm getting really annoyed at him.
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Hey there, I recently got word from Choja that you are looking for someone to design a website for Danmakufu material.
Based on the information you explained here, it sounds like you'll likely need a site that can support a database. Reason I say this is because your going to need a way to manage those files that you'll need to have people upload onto the server.
I wanted to let you know that I'm a graduate who studies graphic design and web design at my college and have a good understanding of it in my field and know PHP and mySQL and thus have been freelancing for over 2 years now. So if needed. I'm willing to help, but I do have to inform you that I do have clients that come in looking for me to design stuff and pay for my work so when things like that come up I tend to take priority on those.
If you been around, you may have noticed some things I had put together for the Shrine Maiden website (that I'm still waiting for TSO to show any sign of actually putting it together) doing the layout and designs along with some banner work for the community.
As of right now, I have my hands a little busy with with a project I am doing thus I am not free as of yet. And you say your going to attempt to design the site yourself. But if you ever decide you need my assistance or want to look over my work, drop me a line and I'll talk to you about it.
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For the layout, it'd probably be best if you just worried about where things go on the page. Colors, etc can be done later, as like Totaku said there's already an existing design for the front page I need to implement so I may end up modifying it anyways to make a unified look.
Also, tell me what you need rails/software wise so I can start setting it up. I'm also going to use ruby for the frontpage so I'm just going to kill two birds with one stone and get them both working.
Totaku: nothing against you I just haven't had the time to properly sit down and work on it. I greatly appreciate the work you've done. Your layout also requires me to build a corresponding forum layout, and that has to wait until I get the whole RC2 upgrade fixed and ready.
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Obviously I'm going to need Ruby. Then, RubyGems will be needed to easily manage all those plugins, or gems, for Ruby, which includes Rails. Because Rails is pretty smart, if I configured the environment.rb file correctly, which I'm pretty sure I did or the damn thing wouldn't work, the command "rake gems:install" will automatically try to install every gem that the website needs to run.
About layout, I'm having trouble even with this. There's just too much stuff to put on one page when I'm trying to display the script's details to make it look organized. I'll see what happens after a few more PMs back and forth.
EDIT: Oh right. Rails v2.3.5. I'm pretty sure 2.3.x will work, but just do 2.3.5 to be safe.
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If this is in HTML I can help out alot, now that my teacher has ordered special books for me for my Computer Buisness Applications Class
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Obviously I'm going to need Ruby. Then, RubyGems will be needed to easily manage all those plugins, or gems, for Ruby, which includes Rails. Because Rails is pretty smart, if I configured the environment.rb file correctly, which I'm pretty sure I did or the damn thing wouldn't work, the command "rake gems:install" will automatically try to install every gem that the website needs to run.
About layout, I'm having trouble even with this. There's just too much stuff to put on one page when I'm trying to display the script's details to make it look organized. I'll see what happens after a few more PMs back and forth.
EDIT: Oh right. Rails v2.3.5. I'm pretty sure 2.3.x will work, but just do 2.3.5 to be safe.
No specific version of Ruby? I'll install 1.9 if that's the case.
I'll setup an SSH login for you to upload files and test things locally. What I will need from you is an SSH public key. Use PuTTYGen (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html) to make a 4096-bit SSH-2 RSA key, and PM me the public key it spits out.
Once you have everything setup locally and it works to your satisfaction I'll worry about setting up lighttpd and fastcgi and such for the final production setup. As for layout I can take a crack at it and setup a default one if you have an idea of what information you want to be displayed.
Oh and I am going to setup a single sign on system linking BulletForge logins to forums and soforth. But I won't delay your site for that, so for now I will leave it as is with what you have. When I do have the SSO setup I will migrate permissions and accounts as necessary.
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So yeah. I put it up on my own server because TSO wasn't responding. I'm making this available as a beta right now so people can find bugs that I need to iron out. There are a few bugs that I'm already aware of, mainly related to the uploading. My brother and I will be working on the upload to make it work correctly as soon as possible, but from what I can gather, it might be hard. If you get an error during uploading, try again in a few minutes (but not immediately cause chances are it won't work still). Another known problem is that comment creation doesn't work. (I swear to god I'm gonna kill myself while trying to fix the comments... they just refuse to freaking work.)
Anyways, here's the BulletForge beta website. (http://www.bulletforge.org/)
Keep in mind that this is a beta with no design and terrible layout. Suggestions on how to improve it would be greatly appreciated, but no feature requests please. Not until I get the current issues fixed at least.
EDIT: Oh yes, for you paranoid people, please turn on Javascript. The search button and uploading depends on it.
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the BulletForge beta website (http://www.bulletforge.org/)
YES!!
I'm registering RIGHT NOW.
EDIT: I registered. Or did you want to wait until everything is finished?
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After short playing around.
Deadly, serious or critical bug found. I've send bug report to you via pm.
Minor bug, after uploading I got this :3
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However, the file is uploading complete well.
Oh, one project can have 4 images. But only one display in search/feature new project and the rest of them leave in shadow.
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Thanks for testing. The bug you reported via PM is pretty strange. It seems my authorization code isn't working as well as I thought it would be. The second bug isn't really a bug. I used someone else's code that uses flash to determine upload progress and you need to allow flash to access my site. And lastly, yes only the first image matters. I haven't added the Javascript thingy to show all 4 on the page.
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Authroization filtering is working correctly now. Previously, Nimble notified me that it was possible to edit someone else's user profile, project details, or version details by editing the url. Commenting seems to be working correctly now to so go nuts with that. I noticed another strange issue though where you can vote on your own projects. A little strange but it's not going to break the website at least. Just a minor issue
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So yeah. I put it up on my own server because TSO wasn't responding. I'm making this available as a beta right now so people can find bugs that I need to iron out. There are a few bugs that I'm already aware of, mainly related to the uploading. My brother and I will be working on the upload to make it work correctly as soon as possible, but from what I can gather, it might be hard. If you get an error during uploading, try again in a few minutes (but not immediately cause chances are it won't work still). Another known problem is that comment creation doesn't work. (I swear to god I'm gonna kill myself while trying to fix the comments... they just refuse to freaking work.)
Wasn't ignoring you, just haven't had the time to setup Ruby and stuff on SM.org. Sorry about that, will try to do it this week (if I get a free moment at work :|).
Believe me, your PM has been staring at me for a week now and I feel bad about not doing anything with it :\
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Blargel: check your PMs. Ruby 1.8 and rubygems are on triela and your login has been setup. Give me a poke once you're in place and I'll get lighttpd and stuff setup and give you a database user/pass. All I've installed is Ruby 1.8 and gems so if anything's missing you can't install definitely let me know.
Really sorry for the delays, please forgive me :ohdear:
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Wasn't ignoring you, just haven't had the time to setup Ruby and stuff on SM.org. Sorry about that, will try to do it this week (if I get a free moment at work :|).
Believe me, your PM has been staring at me for a week now and I feel bad about not doing anything with it :\
Blargel: check your PMs. Ruby 1.8 and rubygems are on triela and your login has been setup. Give me a poke once you're in place and I'll get lighttpd and stuff setup and give you a database user/pass. All I've installed is Ruby 1.8 and gems so if anything's missing you can't install definitely let me know.
Really sorry for the delays, please forgive me :ohdear:
Oh boy. I'm not sure what to say...
As you can see I have it running on my own server and I got my own domain. I wasn't sure if you were doing anything with my SSH key or not so I waited a bit and then just deployed it somewhere else. What's even funnier is how my brother hooked me up with a full year on the server and two years with the bulletforge.org domain... it'd be a waste not to use it. Really sorry about making you install and set up all that stuff. Maybe in a year? :ohdear:
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How long have you had the server? Most places let you cancel within 30 days. As for the domain you can keep using it, just have to change the IP it points to. But it's totally up to you, my fault for not having the time to take care of things :\
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How long have you had the server? Most places let you cancel within 30 days. As for the domain you can keep using it, just have to change the IP it points to. But it's totally up to you, my fault for not having the time to take care of things :\
The server is my brother's for a site that isn't very successful so there's a lot of room and resources for BulletForge. I'm not sure if he's able to cancel right now, but you know...
Truthfully, now that I have it working on this one, I'd hate to tinker with yours to get it working again even if at most it would only take an hour or so.
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Whatever you want to do. I apologize for my delays :(
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Alright so the beta is up, but there's only 8 projects hosted on it? Well obviously scripts take a while to make, but I was hoping for more activity than this...
Well anyway, I've gotten a few bug reports and the bugs have been fixed. Besides the bugs, is there anything anyone can think of to improve this?
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Besides the bugs, is there anything anyone can think of to improve this?
Pretty it up. Needs more graphics and less text.
Also, to answer you inevitable response: MSPaint, man up.
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Well I am sorry I actually uploaded a dead/"no real working on" Project.
Right now my friend and I already decided who takes care of what, but I don?t think I will be able to update anything soon.
Btw... I messed up my name when I registered.
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You can change your name if you can manage to navigate your way to the user edit page. :V
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You can change your name if you can manage to navigate your way to the user edit page. :V
Went to the edit page, I was only able to change password and Email :yukkuri:
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Oh... hmm... Forgot I can only make admins change it (aka me). What do you want your name to be then?
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Oh... hmm... Forgot I can only make admins change it (aka me). What do you want your name to be then?
The same as my Username here... that?s what I wanted to put it. (I noticed that I forgot the "u" in the name when I wanted to log in)
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The same as my Username here... that?s what I wanted to put it. (I noticed that I forgot the "u" in the name when I wanted to log in)
While you're at it, change the "l" to "r".
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www.starthelepolis.com
It's catchy.
STOP Double post!
This, this I like, but o_O WHY WASN'T IT PICKED O_o
Also, I put my name with a circled nine, not a regular nine. What?
EDIT: Also, I can't upload my Akuukyou script.
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I can't seem to edit names either :o. I'll go directly edit the database whenever I get around to it.
And Alwaysthe⑨, when you say you can't upload the script, what exactly goes wrong?
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I can't seem to edit names either :o. I'll go directly edit the database whenever I get around to it.
And Alwaysthe⑨, when you say you can't upload the script, what exactly goes wrong?
When I click Attach script (for my project), I can't start looking for the script. :ohdear:
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Make sure your Javascript is enabled and that the latest version of Flash is installed. There's supposed to be a Flash thingy on the button, but if you don't have it, it won't do anything. We're going to try to make it not depend on Flash later so people don't run into trouble like that.
Also, lol new crappy design.
EDIT: Danielu, I changed your login to how you wanted it to as well so don't forget the "u" the next time you log in.
EDIT: A new update, and new bugs. Fixing the fact that there's no link to create new projects now.
EDIT: Shit fixed. :V
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Make sure your Javascript is enabled and that the latest version of Flash is installed. There's supposed to be a Flash thingy on the button, but if you don't have it, it won't do anything. We're going to try to make it not depend on Flash later so people don't run into trouble like that.
Also, lol new crappy design.
EDIT: Danielu, I changed your login to how you wanted it to as well so don't forget the "u" the next time you log in.
EDIT: A new update, and new bugs. Fixing the fact that there's no link to create new projects now.
EDIT: Shit fixed. :V
I'm pretty sure my Javascript is on, and I have the latest Flash... Hmm........... I hope I don't have some cursed thing.
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What browser and operating system are you using? I hope it's not some random weird case that happens to one in a million users or something.
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Internet Explorer 8 (phew almost said 9), XP...
I'm going to try again.
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Looking at the site again, I noticed that the logo is...well....blah~
And I'm bored so I made one, use it if you want~
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Internet Explorer 8 (phew almost said 9), XP...
I'm going to try again.
I have no idea... :(
Looking at the site again, I noticed that the logo is...well....blah~
And I'm bored so I made one, use it if you want~
The logo is pretty bland since it's just <h1>BulletForge</h1> :V
However, no offense, but that logo isn't very fitting for a website either.
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The logo is pretty bland since it's just <h1>BulletForge</h1> :V
However, no offense, but that logo isn't very fitting for a website either.
Its ok, I was bored so I almost really dont care.
But If you want a logo how would you want it to look?
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(http://www.buu-page.de/BulletForge.png)
Just made a banner.
Got bored and went beserk on some options.
Still have the "project" file of it, so I could change it to something you want... (I think I need better pics for the silhouette and also a line to put below)
EDIT: Just saw that the font looks crappy and makes the B look like and 8
8ulletforge.org
<Insert 8ullets here>
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Lol, you people. I appreciate the thought, but a banner is the least of our worries right now. I think what needs to be done right now is improvements on usability. I also poked Totaku by PM and hopefully he'll be getting back to me about design some time soon.
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Needs more padding on the left side! :V
You have alot of space on the right side, maybe you can take the stuff at the bottom and make it a sidebar. I wonder how that would look...
The bottom div could be credits or copyright or whatever
And since everyone is making a banner...
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9632/53141256.jpg)
Edit: Also for the background you could maybe put the white through a plastic layer style
mahou desu!
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9527/cornertop.jpg)
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9527/cornertop.jpg
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2593/cornermiddle.jpg)
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2593/cornermiddle.jpg
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6834/cornerbottom.jpg)
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6834/cornerbottom.jpg
Edit 2:
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2751/bf2a.jpg)
I tried messing with the text so it wasn't so blocky
Maybe someone can do a better job than I can :P
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HEY JERK I UPLOADED STUFF TO YOUR STUPID SITE
THE REST OF YOU JERKS SHOULD DO THE SAME
Okay uh feedback
-It'd be nice to add screenshots and youtube links while you're creating the project, rather than editting it in afterward.
-Right now it seems the only place screenshots are visible is that the first one is the icon for it.
-I'd like to be able to sort/search by project type (plural, full game, player etc)
-I think the youtube window should be in the grey box above the download link, gives you something to look at besides text.
-It sorts projects by oldest first in My Account page, I don't like that.
-I know it's still being worked on but my general advice is to make the design as efficient with vertical space as possible. Like put Win/Fail and Downloads on the same line in the project list.
Downloads and uploads seem reasonably quick, so yay to that.
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I can upload my halloween script as test because the other scripts are not smart to upload yet (such as Suwako frogpond, Kogasa surprise and Touhou 78).
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HEY JERK I UPLOADED STUFF TO YOUR STUPID SITE
THE REST OF YOU JERKS SHOULD DO THE SAME
Okay uh feedback
-It'd be nice to add screenshots and youtube links while you're creating the project, rather than editting it in afterward.
-Right now it seems the only place screenshots are visible is that the first one is the icon for it.
-I'd like to be able to sort/search by project type (plural, full game, player etc)
-I think the youtube window should be in the grey box above the download link, gives you something to look at besides text.
-It sorts projects by oldest first in My Account page, I don't like that.
-I know it's still being worked on but my general advice is to make the design as efficient with vertical space as possible. Like put Win/Fail and Downloads on the same line in the project list.
Downloads and uploads seem reasonably quick, so yay to that.
Pretty much all that stuff I already realized. The project details page is extremely unorganized and I gave up trying to put all that extra information together, which is why the YouTube thingy is in such a random place. I suppose adding the screenshots and YouTube could be added at the same time, and yeah the screenshots are only visible as preview images currently because I didn't want to write the Javascript to make a carousel. I'll definitely need to add that later. The searching and ordering system is pretty bad right now, but it's the only decent way I was about to do it. I'm not entirely sure how I would order by project type except by possibly filtering the results further after doing an initial search. I'll have to think about that. I'll reverse the order of how projects are organized next time I start working on it again. And lastly, design is on hold until Totaku replies back (or when I get sick of waiting for him...) although I do agree that vertical space efficiency is probably best. Design is just my least favorite part of web development. :ohdear:
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the danmakufu wiki should be put in this site lol
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Oh man Featured Project GET BV
Hmm, imo what this site lacks is a project listing page. Just a list of every project on one (or several) page(s)
Well it's not so much that it lacks it than there lacks a big shiny link to it BV
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Oh man Featured Project GET BV
Hmm, imo what this site lacks is a project listing page. Just a list of every project on one (or several) page(s)
Well it's not so much that it lacks it than there lacks a big shiny link to it BV
It lacks big shiny links for a lot of things. Big shiny links are important for usability and so that the users know where the important stuff is. But again, I'm terrible with design and the big shiny links will just look weird if I try to do anything about it. Totaku still hasn't responded so maybe it's time I started looking for someone else to do design. Since anyone can see what each page has now, it'd be great if someone can put together a mockup of the front page or something and I can probably extrapolate the rest of the site from that.
EDIT: As of now, all tags will automatically be converted to all lowercase. This fixes the problem of searching for "Contest" and searching for "contest" returning different results. Please keep this in mind when searching by tags from now on.
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Make sure your Javascript is enabled and that the latest version of Flash is installed. There's supposed to be a Flash thingy on the button, but if you don't have it, it won't do anything. We're going to try to make it not depend on Flash later so people don't run into trouble like that.
bumpeh
Hm. This still haven't been fixed.
HURRY UP GODDAMMIT I WANNA UPLOAD SOMETHING.