Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: Rook on November 28, 2009, 06:13:11 AM
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For the cheery world Gensokyo seems to be, there certainly are a lot of people who do horrible things. This thread is for listing them.
(Note that much of this requires funny interpretations of things. That's alright, this is a jokey thread anyway.)
Let's start this off with Yuyuko!
Yuyuko is a ghost. (Perfect Memento in Strict Sense)
Humans that spend time around ghosts quickly die. (Perfect Memento in Strict Sense)
Youmu, as a half-human, is affected by many of the things regular humans are affected by. (I haven't actually played IN Extra, but I hear something like this happens there for the Netherworld team.)
Thus, by keeping Youmu by her side, Yuyuko is slowly killing her gardener.
In PCB, she also mentions that "I've been inviting humans and youkai to their deaths just for fun. No problem." Were this actually the case, it would provide further evidence that Yuyuko is a monster. However, I suspect that's just a mistranslation/misinterpretation: given the flow of the conversation, it seems more logical that Yuyuko means that she can invite humans and youkai to their deaths just for fun, not that she actually does so.
(Also, she ate Mystia. Maybe.)
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For the cheery world Gensokyo seems to be, there certainly are a lot of people who do horrible things. This thread is for listing them.
(Note that much of this requires funny interpretations of things. That's alright, this is a jokey thread anyway.)
Let's start this off with Yuyuko!
Yuyuko is a ghost. (Perfect Memento in Strict Sense)
Humans that spend time around ghosts quickly die. (Perfect Memento in Strict Sense)
Youmu, as a half-human, is affected by many of the things regular humans are affected by. (I haven't actually played IN Extra, but I hear something like this happens there for the Netherworld team.)
Thus, by keeping Youmu by her side, Yuyuko is slowly killing her gardener.
In PCB, she also mentions that "I've been inviting humans and youkai to their deaths just for fun. No problem." Were this actually the case, it would provide further evidence that Yuyuko is a monster. However, I suspect that's just a mistranslation/misinterpretation: given the flow of the conversation, it seems more logical that Yuyuko means that she can invite humans and youkai to their deaths just for fun, not that she actually does so.
(Also, she ate Mystia. Maybe.)
I don't really see the charm in this thread, but you forgot to add that she tried to kill Eirin via poison.
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All the touhous exept a handfull of stage 1 and 2 bosses are horrible, evil people who do not desreve to looks so god damn adorable.
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Grimdark + lolis = touhou.
/end thread
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When no one was looking, Yuyuko took forty cakes.
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When no one was looking, Yuyuko took forty cakes.
(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab98/Twilight0402/Yuyu_hungry.jpg)
Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
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reimu is literally a genocidal maniac
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Sanae is technically a Nazi in UFO.
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Marisa Stole the Precious Thing.
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Marisa is terrible just for existing. I cannot begin to describe how much she needs to be burned, stoned, hanged, drowned or whatever else they did to (supposed) witches during the Salem Witch Trials.
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What Byakuren? It says that she make a temple next to the human village... and both humans and youkai seem to be interested... I just wonder what will the fate for the Moriya and Hakurei Shrine (Suwako seems okay but to Reimu...)
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Saigyou Ayakashi was apparently some sort of pink feudal Godzilla.
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Byakuren sunk a ship with a few other humans on it in the process of saving Murasa, quite probably without trying any other method before hand, and perhaps did the same to other humans before being sealed.
Perhaps.
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Utsuho tried to destroy the world pretty much. She failed, but meh
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Other than the usual fare
most touhou characters aren't exactly immoral..at least by the standards in their world.
sure Sanae may not always be a good girl, but then again both reimu and marisa hunt youkai for sport. The tradition has joined danmaku battles as the leading sport in gensokyo.
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Reimu is a bitch.
* Highly Responsive to Prayers: Reimu goes on a homicidal rampage.
* Story of Eastern Wonderland: Reimu seeks revenge for Mima's revenge for Reimu's previous rampage.
* Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream: Reimu interferes with academia and scientific progress.
* Lotus Land Story: Reimu kills a youkai who tried to help her.
* Mystic Square: Reimu orphans Alice and destroys an entire world for it's creator's belief in the free market.
* The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil: Reimu places a little girl who wanted to go flower gazing under house arrest.
o This troper would also like to add that on the way, she beats up retarded kids, violates private property, and picks a fight with an asthmatic person. TWICE. Way to go, Reimu, way to go.
* Perfect Cherry Blossom: Reimu prevents an innocent girl from being revived.
o Not to mention beating up the self-appointed guardian of an inhabited village with the stated intention of plundering it for good luck (which she then seemingly does off-camera).
* Immaterial and Missing Power: Reimu breaks up parties.
o Also prevents a girl from achieving her dream of reuniting her people.
* Imperishable Night: Reimu strips Gensokyo of it's defences against a Lunar invasion.
o Not to mention the repeated killing of the elderly in the Extra stage.
* Phantasmagoria of Flower View: Reimu attacks people for no good reason.
* Mountain of Faith: Reimu oppresses other religions.
* Scarlet Weather Rhapsody: Reimu endorses slave labor.
o Not only that, but she also beats up her best friend to get out of doing chores and spends the majority of the story throwing baseless accusations at every person she meets and beating them up before they can protest.
* Subterranean Animism: Reimu cuts back funding for alternative energy sources.
* Undefined Fantastic Object: Reimu illegally seizes a merchant ship's cargo, then beats up Jesus.
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Satori can read your perverted minds.
And Koishi rapes it.
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Mystia hunts, terrorizes and blinds innocent passers-by. Additionally she runs what amounts to a protection racket.
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Sanae is technically a Nazi in UFO.
This. Fucking this.
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This. Fucking this.
How come Hitler doesn't agree then?
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Yumemi and Chiyuri want to take some people from Gensokyo to "study magic". Only God knows what kind of crazy experiments and dissections that might involve.
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How come Hitler doesn't agree then?
Godwin's Law.
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Godwin's Law.
/thread
Intentional invocation, counter-/thread. Also it's not Sanae, it's Kanako pushing Sanae to do her bidding. That said:
Kanako manipulates a teenaged girl to do her bidding with no reward, thus amounting to essentially slavery.
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"Hunting youkai", it should be remembered, does not mean killing them. It means a spellcard battle. Reimu created the rules of this to maintain balance in Gensokyo. Keep this in mind.
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Did I just imagine it or did Sanae actually say something to the extent of "I'm a god." I cant remember if that was in a game or if it was in some random fandom video.
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Calling Sanae a Nazi is just stupid. She's not. Ahem.
Byakuren isn't exactly the nicest of people once you read her backstory. Remilia would've pretty much destroyed the ecosystem of Gensokyo for her own selfish reasons were it not for Reimu and Marisa. Yuyuko's reasons were somewhat more selfless, but the same thing applies. Utsuho, as previously stated, specifically wanted to destroy Gensokyo. Mima wanted to murder Reimu. Yumemi and Chiyuri were planning to abduct Gensokians to use as research specimens.
...And Shinki, who is often related to Satan, just wanted to run a tourist agency. Go figure~
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Did I just imagine it or did Sanae actually say something to the extent of "I'm a god." I cant remember if that was in a game or if it was in some random fandom video.
Sanae herself is worshiped as a "living god", and refers to herself as such during her UFO dialogue.
On topic,
- Murasa: The future that Hijiri wants is a peaceful, beautiful youkai world. And, we'll be able to break Hijiri's seal with the treasure you've brought.
- Sanae: Huh? A world without youkai hunting? That's not good.
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Aside from the era before spellcards, everyone is just bored and have their own kind of fun. It's not like they did "bad". What you call "bad" is just based on your human measures, it doesn't make things bad. Also, yeah, Youkai Extermination is not killing, most people tend to forget this. I mean just remember Tokiko, she was exterminated, yet she's still alive. And what Sanae is doing in not going on a killing rampage, just doing her job as a shrine maiden. Maybe, it's some kind of translation error: maybe it's not "Extermination" but more like "Exorcism". What is not killing but casting away the youkai. (For one, in my language "exorcism" means "casting away").
Also, is someone calls Sanae a Nazi again, shall be cleaved with my Claimh Solais! ><
Sanae: Huh? A world without youkai hunting? That's not good.
Of course. Gensokyo is what I call a "Stimulated Paradise". A Paradise without the stimulation (without "Youkai Hunting" aka what Byakuren desires) would soon crumble and everything would be tossed into chaos. Don't you remember all those "paradise experiments" of our world? Yeah, maybe they won't worked like they intended to work (mostly because of the "outside world"), but the constant war stimulated the people (at least for a short time), and ended infighting.
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Well, regardless of your view on Sanae's enthusiasm for Youkai hunting, it's a little blasphemous for her to be calling herself a living god. Shouldn't she be letting Kanako and Suwako have all the glory since they are the goddesses she serves?
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Kanako manipulates a teenaged girl to do her bidding with no reward, thus amounting to essentially slavery.
So, does that mean that Kanako is Hitler's reincarnation?
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So, does that mean that Kanako is Hitler's reincarnation?
What is it with you people and Hitler? No, no it doesn't mean she's Hitler's reincarnation. She's more Colonial Britain than Nazi Germany.
Well, regardless of your view on Sanae's enthusiasm for Youkai hunting, it's a little blasphemous for her to be calling herself a living god.
Eh, she has the power to grant miracles, it's close enough to being a god. Godhood by proxy is still godhood.
And on-topic:
Tewi is a layabout and a freeloader of the worst kind, using her influence to manipulate everyone around her without having to lift a finger.
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What is it with you people and Hitler?
Long story short (at least for me): Found out about KH-FF involving Organisation XIII being turned into SS-members, then read a MSTing about this Dragon Ball/Anne Frank-crossover with "that person" being a Super Saiyajin.
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logic in touhou
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Good point. Play CAsercan3's Phantasm Stage for more information.
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Play CAsercan3's Phantasm Stage for more information.
Compared to that, the regular touhou games make perfect sense. And are easy.
Oh, and since Sanae is Suwako's descendent
, she is pretty much a demigod. Works for me.
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Sanae probably just calls herself a god because taking the time to explain what a demigod is would probably take too long.
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Or maybe she means it in the same sense as "Hendrix is god."
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Or maybe she means it in the same sense as "Hendrix is god."
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2a83gas.jpg)
Yes, yes she does~
But I do think she's justified in refering to herself as a god, seeing her ancestry, powers and all that.
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In addition, as keepers of secrets, they began to accrue faith and be treated as gods, even though they were humans. They became living gods.
Touhou Wiki / Sanae's official character description in MoF
If she's treated like one, why shouldn't she call herself a god? It's basically a kind of title for her.
Though, continuing with her description it's strange that she would still call herself a god in UFO:
She realized she had gone from being a god incarnate to just a normal human being.
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Also of note: danmaku does spiritual damage only, which can be restored. So youkai hunting, already confined to "prettiest spellcard wins", is probably less harmful than arm wrestling.
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Tewi is a layabout and a freeloader of the worst kind, using her influence to manipulate everyone around her without having to lift a finger.
How's that a bad thing?
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Any, and I mean ANY, touhou girl ZUN created is dangerous.
The end.
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Any, and I mean ANY, touhou girl ZUN created is dangerous.
The end.
It's all about interpretation. Keyword: Yuka.
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Also Reimu. (http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5585/picture2sr.png)
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Reimu challenges youkai to pretty picture contests, and is constantly saving Gensokyo. What a bitch.
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Reimu challenges youkai to pretty picture contests, and is constantly saving Gensokyo. What a bitch.
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3369/plundering.png)
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I do think that Gensokyo+ was established by ZUN in PoFV. He says it was Gensokyo+ before that, but maybe he didn't make the previous games with that in mind.
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It's all about interpretation. Keyword: Yuka.
Yuka specifically says that genocide is just a game, whether against humans or youkai.
How is that open to interpretation?
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Yuka specifically says that genocide is just a game, whether against humans or youkai.
How is that open to interpretation?
Well, she considers herself so superior that everyone else's life is utterly unimportant. Both the PoFV dialog and PMiSS portray Yuka a lot more positively: While she is able to utterly obliterate you and doesn't have restraints to do so, she won't unless you piss her off.
Basically, PC-98 and Windows Yuka seem quite different...
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Yuka specifically says that genocide is just a game, whether against humans or youkai.
How is that open to interpretation?
You're taking it out of context. Yuka was pretty pissed off at that point. And besides, come PoFV she'd mellowed out quite a bit, so...
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http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3369/plundering.png
Perfect Cherry Picking.
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Reimu challenges youkai to pretty picture contests, and is constantly saving Gensokyo. What a bitch.
Not quite. In PC-98, she is very obviously nasty, probably the closest to outright evil Gensokyo would ever have. She basically attacked Orange just for being a youkai. And Orange was being perfectly friendly... And that was before the spellcard rules as well, in addition to the scripts referring to her as being "sealed' which isn't that much different from killing her if she's never let go... Possibly crueler even.
Also, the games certainly make it sound like getting hit by danmaku is NOT fun. So Reimu still is still hurting them, even if they don't die... And in the case of some of the weaker bosses, it's sometimes unclear just what happened to them after the duel was won, so...
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Cirno came back THRICE and then some, so....
But still, PC-98 = genocidal reimu.
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Cirno came back THRICE and then some, so....
Perfect Memento states that fairies can't die, they simply heal again immediately even if they take damage that blows them into pieces.
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Perfect Memento states that fairies can't die, they simply heal again immediately even if they take damage that blows them into pieces.
;_;
We always have spellcard rules, right?
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We always have spellcard rules, right?
Mokou dies when you fight her. Repeatedly.
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4koma idea. Reference to that one comic where Cirno iciclecides.
[Cirno kills herself]
[Dead Cirno on ground with picture beside her]
[Cirno spontaneously reconfigures]
["Well shit"]
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Forget all your petty crimes. Let's talk about Kaguya's crimes.
- Drank a potion for no good reason, clearly knowing it was forbidden
- Denied several men the right to marry her, and sent many of them to supposed suicide
- Made her "true love" die lonely
- Caused a young and awesome girl to seek revenge, which led her to the curse of immortality
- Killed said awesome girl on a DAILY basis
- Replaced the freaking MOON
- Cut off the path between Gensokyo and the Moon
- Attacked the heroines for stopping time flow of the night, which was done to stop the incident
- Sent off the heroines to go kill awesome girl
- NEET
So yeah, Kaguya's the worst Touhou of all.
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young and awesome girl
...I sense a considerable amount of bias in your argument.
Also, again, a lot of that is taken out of context, so...
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...I sense a considerable amount of bias in your argument.
Well, at least my favourite character exists. :V
Moving on... To Yukari. She spirits people out of the outside world. She is the reason why there are missing children here.
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Well, at least my favourite character exists. :V
So does Wriggle. Your point being~?
Also yes, Yukari's a jerk, and a troll. But that's common knowledge.
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Sanae was following the orders of her Goddesses.
Surely you cannot say no to Kanako and Suwako?
She has been since the coming of Gensokyo probably taught that way, by canon, it should be either Suwako or Kanako at fault for giving her false ideas that all youkai have to be 'handled' by humans.
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Also, the games certainly make it sound like getting hit by danmaku is NOT fun. So Reimu still is still hurting them, even if they don't die... And in the case of some of the weaker bosses, it's sometimes unclear just what happened to them after the duel was won, so...
It's a contest. All contests have a winner and a loser, and the loser will always have hurt feelings. Danmaku does spiritual damage, but the loser does recover. Also, I don't ever recall any youkai being challenged by Reimu and opting to run away, only to have Reimu chase them down, corner them, and then engage in the pretty picture contest. On the contrary, the opponent AGREES to fight.
As far as the weaker bosses go, them not appearing in future games does not mean they died. Again, see the spellcard rules.
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Forget all your petty crimes. Let's talk about Kaguya's crimes.
- Drank a potion for no good reason, clearly knowing it was forbidden
Not wanting to die seems a mighty compelling reason to me.
- Denied several men the right to marry her, and sent many of them to supposed suicide
Yeah, what's with these women and not agreeing to satisfy the desires of lust-crazed men? They should be stoned in public or something.
- Made her "true love" die lonely
Considering that she had to fight the Lunar emissaries and then go into hiding, it seems very understandable the she put her love life in second plane.
- Caused a young and awesome girl to seek revenge, which led her to the curse of immortality
Not really her problem what crazy little girls she never met do.
- Killed said awesome girl on a DAILY basis
And is killed by said girl on a daily basis as well. And incidentally that's the must enjoyable thing they both found in centuries.
- Replaced the freaking MOON
That was Eirin. And in order to protect Kaguya and Reisen.
- Cut off the path between Gensokyo and the Moon
Ditto.
- Attacked the heroines for stopping time flow of the night, which was done to stop the incident
Bitches couldn't wait a few hours before the danger was gone.
- Sent off the heroines to go kill awesome girl
Yeah, that was kinda mean. And lazy.
- NEET
Is that a crime now?
So yeah, Kaguya's the worst Touhou of all.
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Kanako has done some pretty bad things.
First, she tries to shut down the Hakurei Shrine in MoF. This could lead to a deterioration of the Great Hakurei Border that protects Gensokyo, as maintaining it is the main job of the Hakurei Shrine.
Second, she creates Utsuho, an incredibly powerful youkai who decides to go up and raze Gensokyo with nuclear rage, and she doesn't even tell anyone outside of Moriya Shrine that she did. Thank god for Reimu/Marisa being prodded into going down there.
Then, due to what happened when she turned Utsuho into Nuke-tan, the events in UFO were brought about (although nothing bad actually was in danger of happening in this game. But STILL.)
So, the last 3 games were all Kanako's fault. Makes me wonder if the Moriya Shrine will have anything to do with Touhou 13's story~
Oh, and obligatory "Reimu killed Orange for being a helpful, innocent bystander"
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Kanako wanted to take over the Hakurei Shrine, not shut down. Reimu was annoyed because she didn't wanted another boss.
It's not their fault that Okuu is an idiot.
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Not quite. In PC-98, she is very obviously nasty.
(http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n437/Evil_Snaka/Reimucatcarer.jpg)
And yet she still finds time to care for cats.
SoEW Good ending clear 3
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And yet she still finds time to care for cats.
SoEW Good ending clear 3
Actually one of the Ying-Ying orb's abilities is to turn into a cat. For some reason. One of the others is that you never get fat :V
[Edit]Kay, found it.
* Reimu's Yin-Yang Orb exhibits some strange powers, aside from helping her attack her enemies. The greatest powers of the Hakurei Yin-Yang Orb are:
1. Even if you eat sweets, you won't get fat
2. One of your favorite aromas can be given off
3. The yin-yang orb can be disguised as a cat
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Oh, fine. So if reimu sells a kitten to you, and you're a youkai you shouldn't buy it.
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Kanako has done some pretty bad things.
First, she tries to shut down the Hakurei Shrine in MoF. This could lead to a deterioration of the Great Hakurei Border that protects Gensokyo, as maintaining it is the main job of the Hakurei Shrine.
Second, she creates Utsuho, an incredibly powerful youkai who decides to go up and raze Gensokyo with nuclear rage, and she doesn't even tell anyone outside of Moriya Shrine that she did. Thank god for Reimu/Marisa being prodded into going down there.
Then, due to what happened when she turned Utsuho into Nuke-tan, the events in UFO were brought about (although nothing bad actually was in danger of happening in this game. But STILL.)
So, the last 3 games were all Kanako's fault. Makes me wonder if the Moriya Shrine will have anything to do with Touhou 13's story~
Oh, and obligatory "Reimu killed Orange for being a helpful, innocent bystander"
This, this, and THIS.
Also, Reimu. She attacks people without question and kills innocent Youkai. Not only that, but she killed Byakuren for no reason, unless Reimu "doesn't" want to bring order to humans and youkai?
That, or Reimu hates hippies
"GTFO you tree-hugging, youkai-loving, digital-nerding, hippie bitch!"
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I'm not sure which version of UFO you played, but in the version most people played Reimu never killed Byakuren. Unless the Byakuren in the good endings was really a zombie or something. :V
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EVERYTHING. TOUHOES ARE THE MEANEST PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET.
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Yeah really, all that complaining about that Kaguya and you left out the part where she either helped murder the Lunar emissaries who came to forgive her and welcome her back home or, at the very least, stood by while Eirin did so in her name?
The PC-98 era definitely has less excuse in general. But in the Windows games, besides the Spell Card System being nonlethal, the whole cycle of incidents and extermination is basically for the sake of the youkai. At least, if Perfect Memento is to be believed, there are a couple places it mentions that when they tried just living in peace, youkai became weakened and unhappy. Thus the Spell Card System and the incidents, to give the illusion of constant bitter conflict without the harm of it.
(Since faith and belief are very important forces in Gensokyo, I get from this that youkai, on the whole, need to be seen as humanity's monsters like they originally were conceived to some degree, not just your neighbor with cat ears. We really tend to forget easily that they're, you know, not human.)
All that said, of course, just about all Touhous are big jerks. No question.
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I am a youkai who loves Gensokyo with all her heart!
I have nothing to do with creatures of destruction like you!
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Also, Reimu. She attacks people without question and kills innocent Youkai.
... sigh ...
Can some of you at least have the decency to READ the thread before posting? Or maybe skim the wiki articles of the characters you want to slam?
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All that said, of course, just about all Touhous are big jerks. No question.
Big, cheating jerks. Don't forget the blatant hax and disregard for common sense.
That counts as a terrible thing actually: all Touhous are guilty of terrible crimes against the laws of physics.
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But breaking the laws of physics is a good thing, right?
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But breaking the laws of physics is a good thing, right?
Only when it's consentual. And it rarely is.
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(http://i47.tinypic.com/25tdyxz.jpg)
Anyway, more on topic...
I guess the fact that most of the cast are maneating monsters would count, right? And Sakuya is kind of implied to be a murderer as well...
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^sakuya is/was a vampire hunter who lost to Remilia and serves her,o.o.
*typical reimu/sanae is a bitch/nazi post goes here*
*nue is a stalker*
*marisa will beat you up until the problem is solved*
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Big, cheating jerks. Don't forget the blatant hax and disregard for common sense.
That counts as a terrible thing actually: all Touhous are guilty of terrible crimes against the laws of physics.
Gensokyo is filled with cheaters. :S (http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h182/GAmer1991/1238842310317.jpg)
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Sanae was following the orders of her Goddesses.
Surely you cannot say no to Kanako and Suwako?
She has been since the coming of Gensokyo probably taught that way, by canon, it should be either Suwako or Kanako at fault for giving her false ideas that all youkai have to be 'handled' by humans.
I find it quite amusing that when people accuse Sanae of being a nazi in UFO her come with the defense of "She was only following orders", given that the nazis also used the same excuse.
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Considering youkai usually eat people, can you really blame her for not liking them? =/
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Sanae was following the orders of her Goddesses.
Surely you cannot say no to Kanako and Suwako?
She has been since the coming of Gensokyo probably taught that way, by canon, it should be either Suwako or Kanako at fault for giving her false ideas that all youkai have to be 'handled' by humans.
Probably Kanako in both scenarios. I think Sanae didn't even know Suwako existed until after MoF. Which means that Kanako has been the one teaching her this whole time, so...
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Probably Kanako in both scenarios. I think Sanae didn't even know Suwako existed until after MoF. Which means that Kanako has been the one teaching her this whole time, so...
Sanae type B
諏訪子様の仰るとおりに (Just as Lady Suwako says.)
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Sanae type B
諏訪子様の仰るとおりに (Just as Lady Suwako says.)
Sanae type A
"Lady Kanako is telling me to master youkai hunting like they do"
Sanae type B
"Lady Suwako seems certain that I can find something even better than the treasure ship"
Who's to say that she wasn't keeping Kanako's teachings in mind when running errands for Suwako? :V
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Who's to say that she wasn't keeping Kanako's teachings in mind when running errands for Suwako? :V
So Kanako taught her to act like a little Nazi and take pictures with aliens? :V
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So Kanako taught her to act like a little Nazi and take pictures with aliens? :V
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1228/sanaebextraend.jpg)
Also Yumemi wants to take little girls home and do experiments on them. But she never managed to, so... she hasn't done anything wrong 8)
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i tried to kill someone by stabbing them with a knife but i missed so it's okay
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Ruro, why'd you have to go and post that. My heart, it's going to burst. orz
I feel bad for the whole of Subterranean Animism's cast. The whole "These are terrible youkai, so they've been banished underground" never sat well with me.
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I think Sanae didn't even know Suwako existed until after MoF.
I think this was due to a translation error. Rather than not know "that" there are two goddesses on the shrine, Sanae should be saying she doesn't know "why" there are two goddesses at the shrine.
So she knows Suwako exists, but she doesn't know why the shrine houses two dieties when they usually just hold one. Still kinda weird though, I mean, is there a reason she can't just ask?
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I think this was due to a translation error. Rather than not know "that" there are two goddesses on the shrine, Sanae should be saying she doesn't know "why" there are two goddesses at the shrine.
So she knows Suwako exists, but she doesn't know why the shrine houses two dieties when they usually just hold one. Still kinda weird though, I mean, is there a reason she can't just ask?
It is a bit weird, yeah. One theory I can think of is that they think she's too young to know. Like how most people wouldn't try to explain marital infidelity and divorce to a 5 year old. The goddesses are her parental figures, but at one time they were beating each other up. It's uncomfortably close to domestic violence. It might not be something that they planned on explaining ever; I used to know a girl who became pregnant as the result of date-rape by her then-boyfriend and she kept the baby, but didn't plan on ever telling her that she was the result of rape because she was worried that the girl would feel that she was somehow inherently bad.
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When Koishi sealed her third eye, she sealed up her emotions, and then became obsessed with the concept of love, not knowing what it really meant, and attempted to go on a "Love struck rampage <3".
Utsuho tried to incinerate the world with nuke power.
Rin Kaenbyo is an implied necrophiliac.
Satori, by the nature of her species, is an obnoxious bitch who tells everyone your most private thoughts.
Yuugi is a drunken ho who probably abuses her lesbian lover.
Parsee is jealous of other people to the point of not letting them cross the bridge beetween the underground and overground, or even killing them.
Yamame is a living cloud of diseases, like Medicine Melancholy, but with AIDs instead of poison.
Kisume throws fire at people for no reason other than lulz.
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Satori isn't evil, she's helpfull, especially for marriage councelling!
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Marisa is terrible just for existing. I cannot begin to describe how much she needs to be burned, stoned, hanged, drowned or whatever else they did to (supposed) witches during the Salem Witch Trials.
Marisa is a whore and I love it.
-ahem-
The most horrible character? Reimu. For soooo much reasons. Greed, selfishness, power hunger, party-ruining, all this under the sake of her title of shrine maiden, she has attacked a vampire who just wanted less sun, attacked ghosts who wanted more winter, rampaged aliens for wanting more moon, kicked the fuck out of legal services members because they wanted more flowers, (Insert gruesome synonyms) the hell out of GODDESSES because OMG ANOTHER SHRINE MAIDEN, CONFLICT, annihilated a nuclear danger for being a nuclear danger, and willingfully attacked ANOTHER GODDESS for "OH SHIT TREASURE SHIP MIGHT HELP FOR DONATIONS".
Oh no I'm not gonna mention the horrors in the PC98 era, they're even worse.
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Nitori, being a Kappa, may or may not have drowned and/or pulled the soul out of an innocent person's rectum. with her hands.
also, I read somewhere that female Kappa fly by farting, so yeah.
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The most horrible character? Reimu. For soooo much reasons. Greed, selfishness, power hunger, party-ruining, all this under the sake of her title of shrine maiden, she has attacked a vampire who just wanted less sun, attacked ghosts who wanted more winter, rampaged aliens for wanting more moon, kicked the fuck out of legal services members because they wanted more flowers, (Insert gruesome synonyms) the hell out of GODDESSES because OMG ANOTHER SHRINE MAIDEN, CONFLICT, annihilated a nuclear danger for being a nuclear danger, and willingfully attacked ANOTHER GODDESS for "OH SHIT TREASURE SHIP MIGHT HELP FOR DONATIONS".
Ahem~
Greedy and selfish... Maybe a little. She's only human. Power hungry? Where do you get that from?
If Remi had succeeded, there would be NO SUNLIGHT, which would kill the ecosystem of Gensokyo and eventually lead to the death of everything that wasn't already dead to begin with. If the eternal winter HAD been eternal, then pretty much the same thing would have happened.
The Lunarian exiles STOLE THE MOON. Seriously, wouldn't anyone think this was a bad thing?
The flowers were the SOULS OF THE DEAD. They were only there because the process of life and death had been interrupted. Had they stayed there, then whatever would've happened would likely have been very bad indeed.
The Moriyas were trying to pressure her to work for them instead. Obviously she would've felt a bit insecure about this.
"Annihilated a nuclear danger for being a nuclear danger". Stop and re-read what you wrote for a moment. Isn't this a GOOD THING?
Byakuren isn't a goddess. Nor is she Jesus, as so many people will claim. Ahem. And y'know, that wasn't the reason she was after the ship anyway, so...
I think you need to rethink your evaluation~
EDIT: Alright, I realise I may have been a little harsh here. Sorry about that. Just trying to make it a little less subjective, I suppose...
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everything but UFO has its good reasons for Reimu.
and Sanae
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Medicine kills people whenever she gets the chance, and the only reason being that she's mad at them for playing with dolls o3o
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Shiki judges people and sends their souls to hell - but by what moral standard? Does a little autosexuality make you evil, how about those H-doujins? What if she punishes you for deviating from a caste system, or why not any cultural standard? Going to hell because you stole bread to feed your family sound nice? You don't know til you die. Or get lectured, which will probably end in you falling asleep and getting eaten by mystia. Same thing.
SHIKI MAY BE DOING GOOD THINGS THAT CAN BE INTERPRETTED AS BAD DEPENDING ON YOUR PERSONAL VIEW!
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Shiki judges people and sends their souls to hell - but by what moral standard? Does a little autosexuality make you evil, how about those H-doujins? What if she punishes you for deviating from a caste system, or why not any cultural standard? Going to hell because you stole bread to feed your family sound nice? You don't know til you die. Or get lectured, which will probably end in you falling asleep and getting eaten by mystia. Same thing.
SHIKI MAY BE DOING GOOD THINGS THAT CAN BE INTERPRETTED AS BAD DEPENDING ON YOUR PERSONAL VIEW!
Nyeh, her power is explicitly said to be to judge things in black and white. I think that means she can be objective in her judgment. So no interpretations for you.
Komachi, on the other hand, due to her slacking leaves hundreds of tormented souls hanging about instead of taking them to their final destination.
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Isn't Aya pretty evil in a nonphysical kind of way? She writes "truthful" reports in her newspaper and degrades the reputation of all of the Gensokyo Citizens. They might not care but it's still pretty rude to write blatant lies about people.
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To be serious though, Medicine is pretty blatantly genocidal and wants to kill/enslave humans :V
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I'm not quite sure, but after all teams defeat Mokou in IN they talk about roasting her, baking her or tearing our her insides, knowing perfectly well that she won't die and it will only inflict excruciating pain, which isn't quite nice. Also, I'm not sure if they actually act on those threats.
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Oh, fine. So if reimu sells a kitten to you, and you're a youkai you shouldn't buy it.
I can easily imagine that for some reason.
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Its been an eternity, but if I remember correctly in her PFV dialogue Shikieiki implies that Tewi, contrary to what her profile says, is not actually lucky. Rather, she has simply been lying about it the whole time.
This came as a surprise at first, until I remembered Tewi is an even worse compusive liar than Marisa (which is REALLY saying something), so shouldn't be that big a surprise.
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Ran is a kitsune. According to mythology based around them we can assume that Ran has once possessed an innocent maiden for the lulz.
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Its been an eternity, but if I remember correctly in her PFV dialogue Shikieiki implies that Tewi, contrary to what her profile says, is not actually lucky. Rather, she has simply been lying about it the whole time.
This came as a surprise at first, until I remembered Tewi is an even worse compusive liar than Marisa (which is REALLY saying something), so shouldn't be that big a surprise.
Don't know if I should be saying this but I looked through and played through Tewi...and I don't remember seeing it. I even proofread the transcript>_<
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A bit late, but something on Sanae's 'godhood'. Suwako actually calls her a god at the end of TH12.3, so if that's a lie it's a lie her mother figures have been feeding her at least after MoF.
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A bit late, but something on Sanae's 'godhood'. Suwako actually calls her a god at the end of TH12.3, so if that's a lie it's a lie her mother figures have been feeding her at least after MoF.
It's not a lie. Sanae's been referred to as a "Living God" several times. Yuyuko also says as much with her "It must be so crowded at the Moriya Shrine with three Gods living in it." comment. Just check dialogue, fighting game win quotes, and the such. Tenshi has an interesting one regarding the matter.
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About Aya: One reading of the Kanji in BunBunMaru is the Aya misleads newspaper.
About Sanae: Sanae's divinity is something that is a bit questionable in origin. Looking at her wiki profile from MOF and UFO it could be said that she is a human that can work miracles and thus can be called a Living god. If we know anything from Youmu it's that in Touhou one's state of being can be really hard to identify.
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I'm sure everyone in EoSD has one or two issues. Lessee here...
Rumia is more than likely a sealed demon who killed many people. Whether or not she is, she still probably wants to eat people.
Daiyousei attacks the heroines for no reason.
Cirno makes the threat that the heroine will never get past the lake alive. She also freezes innocent frogs for fun.
Meiling slacks off all the time. ALL THE TIME.
Koakuma is a devil. Odds are, she wasn't born one.
Patchouli hogs a HUGE collection of books, and won't let anyone else read them. But to be fair, even in Marisa's case of lending them back after she dies, Marisa still steals them...
Sakuya kills humans for Remi and Flan's dinners. Probably once a month, since human bodies are big and full of blood...
Remilia eats people and almost plunged Gensokyo into a terrible sun-less death just so she could wander outside without an umbrella.
Flandre probably wasn't locked away JUST because she's OP.
The whole UFO cast is probably innocent, though. Kogasa just wants to surprise people, Nue just messes around with both the heroines and the Byakuren team for fun not knowing what either's after, and the Byakuren team is just looking for equality. I'm sure Shikieiki would be pissed, but c'mon...
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Well, given that being a god in Gensokyo only puts you on the same exalted level as, say, the Aki sisters, falsely claiming divinity wouldn't be such a big deal anyway ;)
Patchouli hogs a HUGE collection of books, and won't let anyone else read them. But to be fair, even in Marisa's case of lending them back after she dies, Marisa still steals them...
Well, she did write some of them herself, so those are pretty clearly hers to do with as she pleases. As for the rest, well, we never know what might have happened if Marisa had asked permission to enter and borrow books (or even just read them quietly without taking them outside, like the reference section in a public library). Instead, she beat up Hong Meiling, busted in, beat up a bunch of fairies, and even beat up Koakuma. After a performance like that, she'd be lucky to get the time of day much less a book.
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When no one was looking, Yuyuko took forty cakes.
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9776/1261806749351p.jpg)
Lex Luthor would like to have a word with Yuyuko.
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Tenshi Hinanai triggered an preliminary tremor in Gensokyo because she was bored. :V
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My avatar and text sum this up perfectly.
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My avatar and text sum this up perfectly.
When no one was looking, Kaguya ate forty babies. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
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Kogasa isn't there yet, but her goal is to be able to scare people to death.
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When no one was looking, Kaguya ate forty babies. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
That's my new sig. No contest.
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Though they will never admit it, the United States Government was trolled decades ago by Nue during the Roswell incident.
Turns out it REALLY WAS a weather baloon. Nue just used her power to make it look like a UFO.
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Reimu A went along with yukari throughout SA.
The plan shared by both? Shoot everyone. Satori, for example, asked her if she wanted tea. Reimu revealed that she thought being down there was a pain, and would like to just shoot people til the incident is resolved. Fight ensues.
Edited for most lol typo ever.
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Nyeh, her power is explicitly said to be to judge things in black and white. I think that means she can be objective in her judgment. So no interpretations for you.
Which is exactly the bad thing. Let me put this straight, That means something -has- to be bad or good. No in between. No grays. This makes her from the beginning a biased and unchangeable -whore- of a judge. Who even -knows- what her power sees as black and white. What kind of guideline is she using? Some god-woven superior set of rules? Whatever it is, I do NOT doubt its filled with more than one clause of bullcrap. Shes the worst idea of a judge ever, because she can't really look at things if she uses this power in her judgment. Its considered a social flaw in reality, it doesn't make you a super judge.
And this is the person in charge of the souls of the dead.
The best Shiki would've long asked for her eyes to be gauged out so she can see better.
Sorry to bring this up, But this kind of defense of her power pisses me off.
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Which is exactly the bad thing. Let me put this straight, That means something -has- to be bad or good. No in between. No grays. This makes her from the beginning a biased and unchangeable -whore- of a judge. Who even -knows- what her power sees as black and white. What kind of guideline is she using? Some god-woven superior set of rules? Whatever it is, I do NOT doubt its filled with more than one clause of bullcrap. Shes the worst idea of a judge ever, because she can't really look at things if she uses this power in her judgment. Its considered a social flaw in reality, it doesn't make you a super judge.
And this is the person in charge of the souls of the dead.
The best Shiki would've long asked for her eyes to be gauged out so she can see better.
Sorry to bring this up, But this kind of defense of her power pisses me off.
Hmmmm....makes me wonder what she's going to do when she gets fired....
*Shiki in rags sitting against the path to the Hakurei Shrine with a 'will work for food' sign beside her*
*Ran and Chen walk by with groceries hand-in-hand*
Chen: Ran-Sama, isn't that the Yam-
Ran: Don't take notice of bums, Chen, they're all filthy and dangerous.
Shiki: ...... :'(
*meanwhile*
Spirit Guard: What is thine judgement on this hapless soul, O Great Yama?
Komachi *with Shiki's uniform*: ZZZZZZZZZ-Oh, yeah right, let 'em burn in hell and stuff-ZZZZZZ
Phantom: But I was the Pope!
Komachi: Yeah tell that to Konngara ZZZZZZZ
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I heard Mokou made Thundr_Pwnage's avatar.
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Some god-woven superior set of rules?
You have to look at the Shinto/Buddhist standpoint here. According to the mythology inspiration there IS an absolute right and wrong in the universe, and a Yama's making a mistake about that would be as 'easy' as violating the laws of Physics in the real world. If there is anything shady it's a problem with THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE or the Karma cycle itself and not any gods in particular.
In other words, if you disagree with the Yama's judgment you disagree with reality itself. Can you convince it to change its mind?
Eiki DOES make mistakes in fanworks because FANS ARE NOT INFALLIBLE, not because there's a problem with her character.
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I heard Mokou made Thundr_Pwnage's avatar.
uhhhhhh..........maybe?
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The Lunarians assassinated JFK.
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Which is exactly the bad thing. Let me put this straight, That means something -has- to be bad or good. No in between. No grays. This makes her from the beginning a biased and unchangeable -whore- of a judge. Who even -knows- what her power sees as black and white. What kind of guideline is she using? Some god-woven superior set of rules? Whatever it is, I do NOT doubt its filled with more than one clause of bullcrap. Shes the worst idea of a judge ever, because she can't really look at things if she uses this power in her judgment. Its considered a social flaw in reality, it doesn't make you a super judge.
And this is the person in charge of the souls of the dead.
The best Shiki would've long asked for her eyes to be gauged out so she can see better.
Sorry to bring this up, But this kind of defense of her power pisses me off.
So, you think that Shikieiki's power gives her a mindset that is despicable in the real world while it supposedly enables her to make infallible jugdements. This mindset is despicable in the real world because humans cannot make infallible judgements; There are no objective moral standards that one could refer to. Shiki, by definition of her ability, can judge anything by these standards.
My point is:
You come to the conclusion that Shiki is a bad character because you don't believe her powers can work the way they are said to work. You think Shiki is bad because her power is unrealistic.
Realism. Touhou.
You do the math. :P
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The plan shared by both? Shoot everyone. Satori, for example, asked her if she wanted tea. Reimu revealed that she thought being down there was a pain, and would like to just shoot people til the incidedent is resolved. Fight ensues.
Wasn't that usually Marisa's policy? Odd...
Anyway...Yukari slept through the entirety of the PC-98 games and woke up at the end of the clusterfuck after Mystic Square. She decided to clean things up by rearranging everything, she didn't care who or what as long as it fixes the balance, effectively retconning the series into what the Windows games are now. She then took a nap.
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Nah, PC-98 games are as canon as the Windows games are. We already proved that.
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Reimu did something terrible (http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5257/wtfreimuisdoing.png) with her Yin-Yang BALLS
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Kisume drops down on unsuspecting people and eats them.
That's what Tsurube-otoshi do, anyway.
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Though they will never admit it, the United States Government was trolled decades ago by Nue during the Roswell incident.
Turns out it REALLY WAS a weather baloon. Nue just used her power to make it look like a UFO.
Quoted for truth. :V
and Rumia is as terrifying as she is adorable, its a sin.
Send her to Shiki so I can no longer fear the dark. :-\
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Quoted for truth. :V
and Rumia is as terrifying as she is adorable, its a sin.
Send her to Shiki so I can no longer fear the dark. :-\
Ask Wriggle to give you a jar full of fireflies. :D
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Ask Wriggle to give you a jar full of fireflies. :D
I think Wriggle would be pretty reluctant to give her babies away :P
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True, true.
Ask Mokou for a torch? :-\
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The darkness this youkai emits is a magical darkness that renders even torchlights useless
She's a horrible creature. :'(
Hopefully Komachi is still slacking when I come around.
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Mokou
accidentally caused the Great Chicago Fire.
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The Indian Ocean Tsunami was caused by Murasa for the lulz. Or it was Letty cannon bombing into the sea.
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Atlantis = Tenshi with no Reimu? :V
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Atlantis = Tenshi with no Reimu? :V
Smalltime. Clearly, Tenshi used to have a much larger Stone of the Celestials and used it to kill all the dinosaurs.
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Smalltime. Clearly, Tenshi used to have a much larger Stone of the Celestials and used it to kill all the dinosaurs.
No, that was Suika with her ability to gather making every return ball go right back at her. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj-nfYMcJpk)
...wait.