Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Help Me, Eirin! => Topic started by: Lord Scalgon on May 02, 2009, 08:13:01 PM
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(I'm pretty sure nobody created a thread like this, but anyway...)
ITT, discuss your first experiences at any Touhou game. Share your stories, hm? :)
Anyway, as for me, I started last year with IN (well, friend got me into it, actually). I was foolish enough to think that Easy and Normal was a pushover for me, so I started with Hard. What's worse is that I wasn't aware of death-bombing or using focus. From what I recall (back then), I doubt I even captured a spell card during the stage runs at all...I just bomb for the sake of my survival, which explained failed spell card bonuses. I do remember that in the end, I used 2 (or 3) continues, then obtained a bad ending at stage 5 (I used max lives, btw).
After that, I learned that I was wrong by a long shot, so I started learning the aspects of the game and started on Easy, then slowly progressing to Normal after a 1CC (on Easy mode, mind you), then practiced spell cards and beyond.
Now that my story's out of the way, why not share your first-hand experiences?
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PCB Easy, got up to Youmu using all continues.
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(I'm pretty sure nobody created a thread like this, but anyway...)
ITT, discuss your first experiences at any Touhou game. Share your stories, hm? :)
Anyway, as for me, I started last year with IN (well, friend got me into it, actually). I was foolish enough to think that Easy and Normal was a pushover for me, so I started with Hard. What's worse is that I wasn't aware of death-bombing or using focus. From what I recall (back then), I doubt I even captured a spell card during the stage runs at all...I just bomb for the sake of my survival, which explained failed spell card bonuses. I do remember that in the end, I used 2 (or 3) continues, then obtained a bad ending at stage 5 (I used max lives, btw).
After that, I learned that I was wrong by a long shot, so I started learning the aspects of the game and started on Easy, then slowly progressing to Normal after a 1CC (on Easy mode, mind you), then practiced spell cards and beyond.
Now that my story's out of the way, why not share your first-hand experiences?
And then you started trying to pass off as a lunatic player by cheating, but anywaaaaay (sorry, I just have a habit of never letting things go).
My first experience was when I finally got one of the demos to work, and it happened to be MoF. Because my computer was even more lol back then and I had the settings wrong, I was playing at 30 FPS the whole time. I still had the time of my life. Then eventually someone on GameFAQs linked me to "the site", and I got EoSD and things went from there...
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Eh...just...don't bring that up. I'd rather...not talk about it...so yeah.
(I'd start a first-hand experience at UFO, but there's just other things that are in the way...but I'll get to it one of these days...)
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1.Saw EoSD Normal Stage 6 and EoSD Extra(By Kefit)
2.Got EoSD
3.Snowballed from there
...Screw you Kanako, you edited my custom title again.
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First touhou game was PCB I failed horribly. I could even get passed Letty White. I didn't even know you could bomb.
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I started playing early in June of 2008, with PCB. Back then, even Easy mode completely blew my mind away, and I was convinced that Youmu and Yuyuko were the two hardest bosses in the history of any video game ever. Nonetheless, I eventually 1cced it(with max lives and slowmode :-X). I expected touhou to just be a little fling, and that I'd eventually lose interest after beating it once...
Obviously that wasn't the case. I eventually got hold of the other games, and things were just a downward spiral from there.
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We've done threads similar to this before iirc, but whatever ::)
First time playing was in July of 2008. Started with PCB on easy, and I found it quite fun as well as difficult. However, I failed to understand how people could play the games so much: it felt like a typical shmup. The main reason why I continued playing is because I knew Touhou had a rather large community backing, so I wanted to stick with it for a while to see what would happen. My first day primarily involved dicking around on easy mode, getting as far as Stage 2 or so. I then cranked it up to normal and played Stage 1 a few times, and the same goes for Hard mode. While easy mode was cool, it didn't really get challenging until much later in the game, and I wanted faster access to harder patterns. Thus, experimentation with higher difficulties happened immediately, even if it was only the very first stage.
Three days later, I got Imperishable Night, and spell practice was the greatest thing ever. Spell practice alone--along with supplementary PCB and IN runs/practice--kept me in a 1 month long Touhou binge. Soon to follow came EoSD, MoF, and SA, and yeah you get the point.
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I started with IaMP actually, somewhere in the second half of 2007. My sister found an character exhibition on youtube and I was instantly fascinated by "ZOMG! SO MANY COLOURS!!!!!". From there I got to know standard Touhou games and characters but never had the guts to actually try them. Suddenly this year my sister, again, got PCB, IN and EoSD. As any "respectable" older brother I could not afford to be overtaken and got the games as well. Insta-love. I haven't played the old PC-98 yet but have gotten MoF and SA too. Haven't been able finish those yet but have bad endings on EoSD, PCB and IN. I'd probably manage IN if I had more patience with it but I guess I actually WANT PCB to be my first good ending (It was my first bad one and is still my favourite).
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EoSD Normal in August 2008. Suffered horribly at Stage 3, tried easy, got horribly murdered by Sakuya. Decided to try PCB and IN in February, got hooked on the series. Currently attempting to 1CC IN Normal.
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Started with IaMP. I did pretty good. I managed to beat it with Patchouli but got a bad end.
Then played as Reimu. Couldn't get past Remilia.
Then after figuring out how to get the game to work PROPERLY (endings crashed and some options crashed, I fixed it with the Japanese font), I figured out that you could play it on easy. Easily beat it with Patchouli with good end (still continued on Suika, but whatever, I beat it).
Then the first time playing the shmups was EoSD (I figured that I should start with the first Windows game). Started on Normal. Sucked. I couldn't get past Patchouli -_-.
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EoSD, barely beat Easy using all my continues, but I hardly ever bombed because I didn't when to (or I just collided with an isolated bullet).
First 1cc was PoFV, which I had quite a bit a fun with, but stopped after finishing Easy because I sucked at Normal, and Extra seemed impossible (could beat Cirno, often ended there, and I didn't know you could get extra lives).
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first Touhou game i played was EoSD, but that was only a quick go, i think
my first proper try was PCB. then went on to play all the other touhou games i could get my hands on, ending with the fighters, first SWR, then IaMP
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A failed run of EoSD. I had been watching videos and such before hand, so I knew what I was in for.
All in all, a rather normal first experience.
I still haven't touched SWR, waiting (hoping) for the translation patch.
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Started with IaMP. I did pretty good. I managed to beat it with Patchouli but got a bad end.
Then played as Reimu. Couldn't get past Remilia.
Then after figuring out how to get the game to work PROPERLY (endings crashed and some options crashed, I fixed it with the Japanese font), I figured out that you could play it on easy. Easily beat it with Patchouli with good end (still continued on Suika, but whatever, I beat it).
Then the first time playing the shmups was EoSD (I figured that I should start with the first Windows game). Started on Normal. Sucked. I couldn't get past Patchouli -_-.
Same here man haha. I started on IaMP as Reimu though. I figured she was the main character of the game or something and just picked her. I got to Remilia with her and i couldn't beat her for nothing at all. I tried numerous times an djust couldn't do it. after a while i gave up and played game 6 since it was the first of the windows games and it was at teh top of the touhou list for doujinstyle.com so i thought it was the first untili read the description saying it was teh 6th. I downloaded played (on normal) and got to that dam vampire again and got upset! (totally didn't know that she was teh final boss of the game. much less knew her name or title etc.
The inevitable happened and she KICKED my sorry ass. Again i tried numerous times and failed. so my first experience with touhou can be summed up in 2 frustrating words.....Remilia Scarlet
XD ahhaha. That was about 3 years ago. I don't know why NOW but she's my favorite character. When i started it was Mokou and Reisen really and somehow....like over the last year Remilila became my fave.
Maybe it was....Fate? ^_^ hehe.
now i can beat her without trouble and play IaMP and SWR adeptly. I beat all teh extras (phantasm is its own level but i beat that too) except for Suwako. I'm currently tryin to beat her now but dam she's hard and NO I'M NOT using the dam Marisa B i got no satifaction from that when i did it. I did it just to hear the converstation in the end at least.
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Remi is quite BS on IaMP. My character of choice was Youmu, I just couldn't resist the fact that she was a meelee character lost in the middle of all those spammers. A funny thing, though, is that when I started playing Touhou, "Stops at the diseased part and melts quickly~Lunatic Undongein OVERDRIVE!" was already a music I bloody loved and hammered into my skull. I opened PCB and said "Yay, let's give it a run...". I knew what I was heading into, my first touhou game, I had already seen enough videos for the thought of "ZOMG! SO MANY SPRITES!!!" send shivers down my spine. But as I looked into that difficulty selection screen it was IMMEDIATE: "Maaji? Easy Mode? KIMOI!! Easy mode wo yurusareruno wa choogakusee made dayo ne? Haaahahahahahahaha....."
Because of that it actually took me quite a while to understand what was the deal with Cirno XD
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IN was my first game, though I can't remember what caused me to get it. November 2008, methinks. Started on Normal mode, Marisa, Reimu and Reisen dominated me for a good week before I decided to go to easy mode. I played easy mode once and only once, and have since not ever touched it again. It just didn't feel right, even though I knew Normal would destroy me. Anyways, it didn't take as long as I thought before I actually started getting decent enough to challenge Hard mode, and I had been dabbling in the other games as well by this time. Shit hit the fan, and I had become obsessed with these games.
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I started from the very beginning, HRtP.
I played it for a while, found it very difficult at the start. It didn't help that the routes were so many damned stages long, but it's an Arkanoid clone, that's to be expected. I started on Normal and kept trying, eventually I had played it so much (starting around 2004 and I had played til mid 2005) I was able to 1cc Normal. Then I stepped up the difficulties. Until...
HRtP Lunatic, which is a damned hilarious Touhou Lunatic if I can say that xD I ended up 1cc'ing that too >_>
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I'm surprised that so many here started with PCB or IN. I just got into the series a couple of months ago and figured that it would be natural to start with EoSD Normal. My first time through, China stonewalled me (and I refused to use a continue), but I kept on practicing until I could handle her patterns reliably, then moved onto Patch, and then Sakuya, and then I managed to beat Remilia herself not long afterwards. I enjoyed it so much that I've worked on 1cc'ing each game's normal mode in sequence since then. I haven't managed to get past stage 5 in SA yet, so I'm going back and doing some hard mode runs. I've also taken a look at some of the older games, but I haven't done a whole lot with them.
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I started few years ago with PCB and tried normal mode. I've found out Touhou series games are pretty difficult and lost a life after few seconds. At that time I didn't know about grazing.
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Begins with SWR. Found it on Twilight Frontier.
Plays Reimu's scenario(normal) and used all the continues at
Iku's lightning spike shield. Don't know about grazing yet back then.
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I...actually first came across Touhou...rather oddly. I had just finished up TWEWY for my second time (AWESOME game, by the way), and was browsing around on YouTube, and I cam across one of those dratted U.N. Owen mixes, this one being "U.N. Owen was Zetta Slow". As a fervent Minamimoto fan, I was laughing, but I then looked up the original music, and it was awesome. And then I saw a Flandre run(which I believe was Kefit's) and was wowed, and decided to find and challenge the games. Started with EoSD Normal, got spattered.
This was mid-September of '08. A month and a half later (including a two-week hiatus where I didn't have my computer) I 1cc'd PCB Normal, then went back and 1cc'd EoSD. The other games came within a week or two (though IN Normal took me all of two tries...:P)
And several months later I've STILL only 1cc'd two Hards, though admittedly if I got ONE GODDAMN DECENT RUN I'd have done PCB and IN a long time ago. At least I've cleared all the Extras.
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I started on EOSD easy, lost 2 times then beat it the 3rd time using a few continues. In April I 1CC cleared noraml and got PCB.
I beat on my first try (on easy), but then I realized I had slow mode on. >_<
Now I'm trying to beat Ran
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I started with EoSD hard. Lost my first continue on Rumia :P Went back to normal, played it a ton, got my 1CC, and then couldn't stop playing.
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PCB Normal, max lives and continues. Made it to the Prismrivers before running out of continues.
This was back in July 2006, I think.
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PCB Normal, max lives and continues. Made it to the Prismrivers before running out of continues.
This was back in July 2006, I think.
And...you pulled off THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHmzO2RI1fs&fmt=18)...in less than two months?
I...I...I...can't...nrggrhhn...you...you...grnnfffrgggrraaa...
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It took me only 2.5 to do the same (well, not as good, but...). 8)
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Eh, that's not that great. When did that video get 355 comments and 75k views anyway? Damn, I tend to forget about my older stuff. Because it's all pretty bad compared to everything I do now.
But I could have sworn that that Extra run came later, like in October. Checking my replay dates though, it seems I got it on the same day I became the first player in the English speaking community to 1cc EoSD Lunatic. Everyone used to consider it completely impossible back then.
*reads through random posts in the topic*
2008?
Man you guys are young'ins.
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Eh, that's not that great. When did that video get 355 comments and 75k views anyway? Damn, I tend to forget about my older stuff. Because it's all pretty bad compared to everything I do now.
Hey, Kefit?
SCREW YOU. :P
After playing Touhou for a good seven months now, that's still A LOT BETTER than anything I can do. Admittedly, yes, you could probably go and record yourself getting a perfect on that stage (maybe minus QED), but the fact remains that within two months of your beginning on the road of madness known as the Touhou Project, you were already far superior to people like me, who have played for several times that.
I mean, yes, I did beat Flandre after about 3 months of playing...but I think I captured all of 5 cards in the entire stage? Maybe only 4? Your "pretty bad" replays, of two and a half years gone, are still amazingly good. I Parsee in your general direction.
Also, not to sidetrack the topic, but having watched some of your other stuff recently, I'm forced to ask in pure rage: how the hell do you avoid getting walled by the blue-green wave on VoWG? Nothing I do works!
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I'm from 2007. 8)
November 2007. :)
The last day of November 2007. :(
But like theshim's saying, how long you've been playing doesn't really matter. Some people are better at these games, plain and simple.
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But like theshim's saying, how long you've been playing doesn't really matter. Some people are better at these games, plain and simple.
Early 2009 here.
[derail attempt]
Anyway - one wonders why exactly some people are better - is it the fingers, reaction speed, or the ability to read, or maybe the way they split their concentration... or all of these!
Well, obviously it's all of them, but to what extent? I'm tempted to think that it's mostly the fingers + reaction speed. Both of those are innate (particularly reaction speed - I think that's fixed from birth... I suck at biology though, so may be wrong), yet ability to read and where to concentrate on which attacks can be easily learned.
[/derail attempt]
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I used all my continues by the team I got to the second stage, then I lost to Cirno on Easy mode. EoSD. D:
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I kept on seeing mention of Touhou on 4chan, and finally decided to give it a try last December (I admit the screenshots scared me off).
So, I gave them all a try, and stuck with PCB for the most part. I couldn't beat the first level on lunatic without being damn close to losing a continue... now I can get halfway through the 4th level without losing a continue, but only on hard. Yeah, I kind of suck!
But, 30 minutes a day average since then. I'm hooked for good though. ;D
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My first game ended up being EoSD after watching an LP of it back in November. Started off playing on easy mode then moved on to normal once I found out that you don't even get to face Remilia (stuck with easy mode for the other games though).
Its kind of funny looking back and noticing how much I have improved since then, considering when I first started I honestly did not think I'd be able to 1cc any of the games on normal let alone hard.
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I'm from 2007. 8)
November 2007. :)
The last day of November 2007. :(
But like theshim's saying, how long you've been playing doesn't really matter. Some people are better at these games, plain and simple.
That and the fact that there is a difference between how people play the games. There are those that constantly pushes themselves forwards and always strive to get better and as soon as they beat Normal mode never touches it again and move on to Hard, then Lunatic. Then there are those, like me, who wasted a crapload of time messing around on Easy mode. Then slowly, very slowly, moving on to Normal mode and hanging out there forever. Its actually not that long time ago i started playing on Hard and i still have a tendency to waste some time on the lower difficulties. Its probably because i have some weird tendency to not seek higher difficulties but have an idea that i am not ready even though i know i will never improve like that.
A final thing. There can be a big difference between how much time one spends on the games. You can play them an hour once in a while or you can spend your time on NOTHING ELSE WHATSOEVER!
But there really is no reason to be jealous. Everyone should just take their time and make sure to have fun along the way, then everything will be fine.
As a direct response to the topic: So the cheater wants to know how people started out huh? Thats alright then. Someone showed me a crapload of Touhou videos, both of us completely oblivious (damn, i hope that word means what i want it to mean) about Touhou and we were amazed by the players skills. In time however i realized: Why don't we try this out ourself? I hunted down IN as that was the only games title i could remember and i started playing. To begin with i wasn't very addicted so the first couple of months went slow. I estimate it took me 4 months to beat IN Extra. Another one to beat PCB Extra and several before i beat MoF extra. Silly no? I'm simply not a very patient dude when it comes to restarting games when i fail. Take EoSD extra for example. I haven't beat it and thats mainly because i don't feel like restarting when i fail. So thats why i'm the slug around here! A very obsessed slug, mind you.
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Let's just not talk about the past, shall we?
As a side note, I capture lunatic spell cards on spell practice in IN, at least. The others approved it to be legit, and plus, I said 'honest to God'...but anyway...back to WoW for me...
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I first started playing Touhou about 1 year ago.
I was on youtube looking up DoDonPachi videos and Mushihimesama and was clicking on related videos and saw IN extra stage. I was like WTF is this it looks amazing. So I got IN and(I already had experience with shmups from DDPdaioujou but that was nothing like touhou) beat normal using I think 1 continue maybe 2 and even had full lives set in option. But now with my non stop touhou playing i'm able to 1CC IN on lunatic and normal 1CC MOF, and SA(I can only 1CC IN on lunatic because of the deathbombing).
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Anyway - one wonders why exactly some people are better - is it the fingers, reaction speed, or the ability to read, or maybe the way they split their concentration... or all of these!
The fact that I have been playing these games for three years and have amassed more than a thousand hours of gameplay probably has something to do with how good I am at them now. Things like finger speed and reaction speed may be helped by a life time of playing video games, but the majority of my Touhou skill - the ability to read complex patterns, find gaps, and control my character's movement precisely enough to get into said gaps - has developed from the ground up over a long period of time to the point it is at today. So yes, the amount of time spent playing these games usually has something to do with how good a player is.
It's not like I am some kind of ?bermensch, superior to all you feeble, inferior beings. But hey, if you want to think of me in that way then I am not going to stop you.
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Things like finger speed and reaction speed may be helped by a life time of playing video games, but the majority of my Touhou skill - the ability to read complex patterns, find gaps, and control my character's movement precisely enough to get into said gaps...
...the only thing holding me back from Hard / Lunatic 1cc's. Also the reason why my practice runs look so good and (sometimes) professional.
Anyway, I believed I started somewhere in 2008, with PCB. At Easy Mode, usually ending somewhere between the Prismriver Sisters and Youmu. Deathbombing back then is just as hard as it is now for me *goes to check reaction time* (http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/index.php).
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Things like finger speed and reaction speed may be helped by a life time of playing video games, but the majority of my Touhou skill - the ability to read complex patterns, find gaps, and control my character's movement precisely enough to get into said gaps
I just died to VoWG around eleven times in a row. Eight of them, I didn't focus or unfocus or change directions quickly enough by the merest fraction of a moment. (Several were me not nudging the button hard enough, but sometimes I nudge just a tiny bit too hard. Maddening.) I'm getting much, much better at reading patterns (such as VoWG, but not such as Storm God or Kanako's opener), but my mind reacts faster than my fingers can.
BaitySM - I thought you'd already 1cc'd all the Hards and a Lunatic or two??? I am confuzzled.
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my mind reacts faster than my fingers can.
Going along with the thread derail....
Ugh, this. I can picture what to do quite easily often then fail miserably at actually doing it. It's only the rare attack where my mind is completely screwed up by the pattern, and that's usually fixed by practice.
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BaitySM - I thought you'd already 1cc'd all the Hards and a Lunatic or two??? I am confuzzled.
Unlocked most of the Lunatic Practices? Yes.
1cc Hards' - PCB, IN.
I'm close to EoSD, MoF and SA 1cc's. EoSD and MoF should've been done already, but my CPU has trouble opening them at a normal speed; 95% of the time, they lag at ~54 FPS. On fullscreen, the work fine, but I'm not adjusted to fullscreen (so I seldom play).
No 1cc Lunatics... 2-4(3?)cc exist though.
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Waugh, you play windowed? Not that it's an insult, it's just...a lot harder to work with a smaller screen...
I'll trade you a MoF for your PCB. MoF I'll play any day, but PCB's deathbomb time just pisses me off enough that I rarely even try to 1cc Hard anymore.
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Waugh, you play windowed? Not that it's an insult, it's just...a lot harder to work with a smaller screen...
I'll trade you a MoF for your PCB. MoF I'll play any day, but PCB's deathbomb time just pisses me off enough that I rarely even try to 1cc Hard anymore.
It's a matter of self-preference. I find it easier to play windowed anyways. I can see much more of the screen. (but then again, maybe that's why I clip so much).
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IN, Easy Mode, max lives, Border Team. Went max lives so I could see what the game was like difficulty wise and what I was going be in store for when I got around to doing serious runs with default lives.
I didn't know the controls at first and bombed literally in the first 2 seconds of stage 1.
Even better...I didn't know the meaning of focusing which meant long moments spent draining boss lifebars.
Yet somehow I did rather well, needing no continues at all. Then again, Eirin ate like 4-5 lives so...yeah.
Amusingly enough I saved the replay of that run. Heh.
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(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z129/biones/overdrive.jpg) (http://dagobah.biz/flash/IOSYS_tohotsukitoro_translated.swf)
Also on thread-jack:
I hope reaction time is not that important since I am about 40ms below the reported average on that score.
I do find that one important stuff is when you start being able to look and quickly project the expected trajectories of several bullets on the screen doing sort of a "macro reading" instead of just focusing you attention on your hitbox and such.
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That picture... is horrible!! >:(
Let's just not talk about the past, shall we?
As a side note, I capture lunatic spell cards on spell practice in IN, at least. The others approved it to be legit, and plus, I said 'honest to God'...but anyway...back to WoW for me...
Its time i forgive you. I really just hate cheaters so much you see but, you have admitted your illegitimacy and i can't really hate anyone who have confessed their sins and are now following a more true path, now can I? I'll let the grudge go. Peace out pal.
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That picture... is horrible!! >:(
Its time i forgive you. I really just hate cheaters so much you see but, you have admitted your illegitimacy and i can't really hate anyone who have confessed their sins and are now following a more true path, now can I? I'll let the grudge go. Peace out pal.
Thanks.
I've already learned my lesson, so let's just put this behind from now on. Come to think of it, do I always have to say 'honest to God' the entire time I achieve something? (I pity those that lie to God, but anyway) Currently, I've achieved nothing, so there's...well, nothing. Latest achievement done in Touhou is capturing spell 171 in spell practice in IN (I've shown this replay before...approved legit by people like Rabbit and bjw), and that's pretty much it. But, if you guys want the replay, I won't hesitate to post the link.
So yeah.
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That picture... is horrible!! >:(
Their laughter is ALWAYS on my mind... PARTICULARLY when I'm being SLAUGHTERED at SA normal...
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By the way, after I died to the Prismrivers on PCB Normal I went and played PCB Easy. It took me a week to 1cc it.
Nothing wrong with Easy mode.
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Around early October 2007, EoSD Easy. Still haven't beaten it, but I usually play in random concentrated bursts when I feel like playing and the laptop isn't about to overheat.
As for finding out about Touhou, it was either IOSYS' Hare Hare Yukai bonus track or a Marisa Stole the Precious Thing MAD with Taniguchi.
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Their laughter is ALWAYS on my mind... PARTICULARLY when I'm being SLAUGHTERED at SA normal...
I had 1cc'd every previous Windows game on Normal and I STILL went down to Easy to beat SA for the first time. When you game over at the level 2 mid-boss, you know that the game is playing by different rules.
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I had 1cc'd every previous Windows game on Normal and I STILL went down to Easy to beat SA for the first time. When you game over at the level 2 mid-boss, you know that the game is playing by different rules.
I still haven't beat SA Normal, but I refuse to go down to Easy to beat it. Instead, I'm going back and trying to 1cc each game in Hard mode before returning to SA.
On the bright side, ramming my head against SA Normal has improved my Touhou skills a lot. When I went back and played Imperishable Night after repeatedly failing against Orin, I felt like a Touhou god. :P
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Actually, I'm not sure if I tried SA or EoSD first anymore.
All I know is on SA I tried Lunatic and Game Over'd before Kisume.
I tried again last week and Game Over'd on Yamame's opener. Lol progress.
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Zun forgot to put Normal mode on SA. I went to Easy Mode to try and see if my Normal difficulty was there but it wasn't. The game goes from a pathetic easy to something more on less on par with PCB Hard.
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SA really isn't that bad as long as you follow these three steps.
-Let go of your dignity and bomb the shit out of everything.
-Whore star pieces. Achieving this step in later stages requires you to bomb the shit out of everything.
-Use Reimu A.
SA has some of the hardest bullet patterns in the series, but it gives you a crapton of resources. Use them. When I got my first Normal 1cc of SA, I had like 5 lives by the end(though this proceeded by plenty of trainwrecks). There's no way I'd have been able to do something like that with, say, EoSD.
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SA really isn't that bad as long as you follow these three steps.
-Let go of your dignity and bomb the shit out of everything.
-Whore star pieces. Achieving this step in later stages requires you to bomb the shit out of everything.
-Use Reimu A.
The problem that I have with this advice is that you can't bomb the shit out of everything as you can in MoF, as you hardly ever get resources. Combine this with ReimuA at 4.xx power dealing amazing damage, ReimuA at 2.xx dealing craptastic damage and ReimuA at anything below 2.xx basically timing out everything that Orin onwards has, and you have a recipie for all kinds of argh, basically.
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MoF was even better at teaching me to "BOMBS AWAY!!!!". But the champion in that one for SA is Aya, her bomb does MIRACLES for you.
As for whoring star pieces, I do so but so many times I see myself starting from a continue with 2.0 lives that it's more of a thing I know but I don't see THAT much (except when I do get that extra life on the boss (Satori/Orin/Utsuho since I've been able to sort of regularly get past Yuugi already on my first).
And Reimu A? I know she's good but my favourites are probably Alice and Aya(Yeah, I DIDN'T see this one coming, but then I bombed...). Even if I'm going for forward focus it's hard not to bring myself to go Nitori, even though she's crap (I've been experiencing an all-around obsession with her lately).
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I've just remembered how I LOVE to triple-bomb Youkai Blazing wheel and finish it in 7.5 seconds with Alice... Makes me feel SO good after all that crap that cat always gives me.
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Eh, I might have exaggerated a bit, since it still takes a good deal of planning and familiarity with the stages/bosses to pull off. My main point is to simply never ever take chances in SA, especially against bosses. Bosses are where you get the majority of your lives; even if you bomb to the point of being at 0.00 power by the end, it will give you a good enough buffer of lives to compensate. Not to mention that you can always get your power back at the next stage.
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Started playing EoSD back in '06. I think I lost my first continue to Cirno first time I played (I insisted on Normal since I didn't want to play only 5 stages). It took me a week of practice to beat Remi on all continues (using one continue for Red Magic alone).
Then I found out I needed to 1cc the game for the good ending and died inside.
Needless to say, I didn't hold onto my dignity in this manner for PCB and IN, and it did me a world of good. Still took me about a year to get good enough to beat an Extra Stage, though. >_>
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Thanks.
I've already learned my lesson, so let's just put this behind from now on. Come to think of it, do I always have to say 'honest to God' the entire time I achieve something? (I pity those that lie to God, but anyway) Currently, I've achieved nothing, so there's...well, nothing. Latest achievement done in Touhou is capturing spell 171 in spell practice in IN (I've shown this replay before...approved legit by people like Rabbit and bjw), and that's pretty much it. But, if you guys want the replay, I won't hesitate to post the link.
So yeah.
*Goes to check what spell you are talking about case its very difficult for someone to write Hourai Jewel Lunatic*. That's quite an accomplishment. I have only done it on Hard.
By the way, after I died to the Prismrivers on PCB Normal I went and played PCB Easy. It took me a week to 1cc it.
Nothing wrong with Easy mode.
Some people probably just get bored with easy mode and start teasing the people who play it cause they have nothing better to do.
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Some people probably just get bored with easy mode and start teasing the people who play it cause they have nothing better to do.
Although that is not wrong at all, the brain damage induced by "Stops at the diseased part and melts quickly - Lunatic Undongein~OVERDRIVE" is very true indeed and must not be ignored, as it is the voice of ultimate truth u.u
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Downloaded ANEX98 (PC-9801) and hdis of the five Touhou games for that system.
Played Mystic Square. A lot.
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*Goes to check what spell you are talking about case its very difficult for someone to write Hourai Jewel Lunatic*. That's quite an accomplishment. I have only done it on Hard.
One of these days, you just might capture the Lunatic version of it. If you want to know my attempts, I was 0/220 last September, then after that, I decided to take a two-month hiatus from that spell card. Returned that November, and since that victory, I was 1/74 for that month, making the history 1/294. Lots of attempts, hm?
Video of my spell 171 run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZHJbs7fUIU)
(Again, proven legit, so all is well. Almost identical to bjw's spell 171 run, except different spell card bonuses, so yeah. I think I'm #5 to post that vid. Whoever that WinDEU guy is, he's #6, iirc.)
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My first Touhou game was actually SWR. (Got my butt handed to me XD), but my first shmup was EoSD. Easy, could only get to China WITH CONTINUES. (Back then I thought stage 2 midboss was Sakuya lol) And back then I thought it was normal to have that happen, but after seeing everyone else's first experinces I now realised I sucked, and still do, compared to others that have been playing for as long as I have, and even some that have been playing less!
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The only thing I remember is that it was around the last days of October 2007, I was playing IN and I thought Wriggle was Cirno with green hair.
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The only thing I remember is that it was around the last days of October 2007, I was playing IN and I thought Wriggle was Cirno with green hair.
Spoiler: Wriggle is male
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Spoiler: Wriggle is male
Spoiler: Wriggle is female
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Spoiler: Wriggle is female
Male. Because he is a trap.
Anyways, the first time I ever played Touhou was in November or so. The first one I played was PCB. I didn't even make it to stage three on easy. Isn't that sad?
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Male. Because he is a trap.
Femlae. Because she is a reverse trap.
*sigh* hate the stupid as hell "WRIGGLE IS A MALE LOLOLOL" meme.
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o_O
So this thread is about Wriggle now?
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o_O
So this thread is about Wriggle now?
Welcome to Maidens of the Kaleidoscope. Please enjoy your stay.
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Zun made wriggle a he cause he though it was alright, since it was just a S1 boss. But then, after he released the game he went : "Oh SHIT!! THERE ARE NO MALES IN GENOSKYOU! IT'S A REVOLUTIONARY LESBIAN FANTASY SOCIETY!!!" then he went around trying to say that Wriggle is a she, but you need only to look at that thing and it is OBVIOUSLY a he....
Also: Wriggle.... hehe....
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Zun made wriggle a he cause he though it was alright, since it was just a S1 boss. But then, after he released the game he went : "Oh SHIT!! THERE ARE NO MALES IN GENOSKYOU! IT'S A REVOLUTIONARY LESBIAN FANTASY SOCIETY!!!" then he went around trying to say that Wriggle is a she, but you need only to look at that thing and it is OBVIOUSLY a he....
Also: Wriggle.... hehe....
REVERSE TRAP. AND UNZAN.
Your argument for Wriggle being male is "LOL WRIGGLE IS A GUY LOLOLOL". Please, stop encouraging that stupid meme.
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REVERTING TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC DESU NO JUTSU
I discovered touhou through the Touhou Pad Pack and Stepmania, but my first jump-in was, after downloading a fuckhuge torrent, with EoSD that I still cherish as my favorite game so far. Although I'm one awful player, I never tested any touhou in Easy modo. I don't say that for the bragging rights - I really never tried easy modo.
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Your argument for Wriggle being male is "LOL WRIGGLE IS A GUY LOLOLOL". Please, stop encouraging that stupid meme.
Not really as I came to that conclusion on my own without help from the internets. Just LOOK at that thing....u.u
I really never tried easy modo.
Don't bother, you'll be disappointed. Even for SA, before I could get a good ending in ANY touhou Normal, Easy mode was pathetically easy
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from my experience, playing on easy modo will never improve your skills. Besides, my ego is not enough to be satisfied with easy.
If anything, grinding SA on Normal was what pushed me to read patterns up ahead instead of focusing on the crap that are near me. You have no idea of the joys that I felt when I did my first 1cc on Normal.
Now I think I should hit up IN because I know Spell Card Practice also helps you improve...
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One of these days, you just might capture the Lunatic version of it. If you want to know my attempts, I was 0/220 last September, then after that, I decided to take a two-month hiatus from that spell card. Returned that November, and since that victory, I was 1/74 for that month, making the history 1/294. Lots of attempts, hm?
Video of my spell 171 run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZHJbs7fUIU)
(Again, proven legit, so all is well. Almost identical to bjw's spell 171 run, except different spell card bonuses, so yeah. I think I'm #5 to post that vid. Whoever that WinDEU guy is, he's #6, iirc.)
There is one of the reasons i am not better than i am. I simply don't have patience for all that restarting. I try something about 5 times and i give up if i don't suceed because then things start to become annoying. Still i managed to get to beat em' all on Hard mode. Now, before i start with Lunatic i'll need a laptop. For some reasons i play much better on those.
PS: I simply don't know how i accumulated all the necessary patience to capture Life Spring Infinity L. The card is so not fun as you can possibly get it. You will die repeatedly and you will more often than not complain about something bullshit related. I think its pretty much luckbased. It took 200+attempts to cap it the first time but the second time it took me 7 attempts.
from my experience, playing on easy modo will never improve your skills. Besides, my ego is not enough to be satisfied with easy.
If anything, grinding SA on Normal was what pushed me to read patterns up ahead instead of focusing on the crap that are near me. You have no idea of the joys that I felt when I did my first 1cc on Normal.
Now I think I should hit up IN because I know Spell Card Practice also helps you improve...
I'm pretty sure i know how you feel. Try and see if you can't beat MoF Hard. The comment from ZUN you get for doing that is simply priceless.
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Welcome to Maidens of the Kaleidoscope. Please enjoy your stay.
Thank you, but...isn't that a few months late? :-\
I was aware of the Wriggle meme from that touhou.wikia site a while back. I still remember Kaguya's meme as well (the NEET part). I'm sure there's a few more that I may not be aware of, but I'll eventually bump into one of those...
(Off-topic: Which reminds me...Get Down meme, anyone?)
There is one of the reasons i am not better than i am. I simply don't have patience for all that restarting. I try something about 5 times and i give up if i don't suceed because then things start to become annoying. Still i managed to get to beat em' all on Hard mode. Now, before i start with Lunatic i'll need a laptop. For some reasons i play much better on those.
PS: I simply don't know how i accumulated all the necessary patience to capture Life Spring Infinity L. The card is so not fun as you can possibly get it. You will die repeatedly and you will more often than not complain about something bullshit related. I think its pretty much luckbased. It took 200+attempts to cap it the first time but the second time it took me 7 attempts.
I captured Hourai Jewel Lunatic on a laptop, but not on a desktop...I don't know if it's just me, but I can't do certain spell cards on desktops. Since I had so much free time back then, I had the urge of restarting spell cards every time I failed to capture. Hourai Jewel took a lot of persistency, but thank God I captured it two months after the start of the attempted capture.
Granted, I captured about 75-80% of the Lunatic spell cards on spell practice in IN, but there's a certain amount where I'm just incapable of capturing those.
Speaking of Life Spring Infinity, I agree with everyone that it's luck-based. No strategy, no nothing, and that's not saying much. Even the best Touhou players struggled with that spell card (I think). Luckily, I captured it after exactly 100 attempts...though I came close to capturing it somewhere in my 59th attempt.
I sure wished I could spell practice MoF's Virtue of Wind God spell card on Lunatic, but MoF doesn't have a spell practice option. I really want to try that card just to see what it's like, since I find it 'fun and interesting'. No, I did not beat MoF on Lunatic (better yet, I didn't even try MoF), so I can't say much about it.
(inb4tl;dr)
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Thank you, but...isn't that a few months late? :-\
I was aware of the Wriggle meme from that touhou.wikia site a while back. I still remember Kaguya's meme as well (the NEET part). I'm sure there's a few more that I may not be aware of, but I'll eventually bump into one of those...
(Off-topic: Which reminds me...Get Down meme, anyone?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJKsAzM7BS8
Anyway who plays full screen?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJKsAzM7BS8
Anyway who plays full screen?
Hm, I thought the Get Down meme originated from this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP5c_MEs9mo), but then again, I could be wrong. Sadly, I haven't paid much attention to such things, I guess. (let's just say that other things were in the way)
Anyway, I usually play window, in case I receive an IM pop-up from someone.
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First touhou game ever was Imperishable Night demo; friend linked me to it, didn't tell me it was a demo. I was able to hobble through on easy burning up a lot of continues, and I was pretty proud when I defeated the 3rd and final last boss. Eventually I got good enough to 1cc the demo on normal, I still thought it was the full game, I was like sweet.
Fast forward a few months or weeks or something I can't remember and same friend links me to Dracil's IN extra clear... I was like "Hmm, but I've beaten that game and I don't recall any "extra" stage." I felt kind of stupid when I found out I had been playing a demo lol.
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Thank you, but...isn't that a few months late? :-\
I was aware of the Wriggle meme from that touhou.wikia site a while back. I still remember Kaguya's meme as well (the NEET part). I'm sure there's a few more that I may not be aware of, but I'll eventually bump into one of those...
(Off-topic: Which reminds me...Get Down meme, anyone?)
I captured Hourai Jewel Lunatic on a laptop, but not on a desktop...I don't know if it's just me, but I can't do certain spell cards on desktops. Since I had so much free time back then, I had the urge of restarting spell cards every time I failed to capture. Hourai Jewel took a lot of persistency, but thank God I captured it two months after the start of the attempted capture.
Granted, I captured about 75-80% of the Lunatic spell cards on spell practice in IN, but there's a certain amount where I'm just incapable of capturing those.
Speaking of Life Spring Infinity, I agree with everyone that it's luck-based. No strategy, no nothing, and that's not saying much. Even the best Touhou players struggled with that spell card (I think). Luckily, I captured it after exactly 100 attempts...though I came close to capturing it somewhere in my 59th attempt.
I sure wished I could spell practice MoF's Virtue of Wind God spell card on Lunatic, but MoF doesn't have a spell practice option. I really want to try that card just to see what it's like, since I find it 'fun and interesting'. No, I did not beat MoF on Lunatic (better yet, I didn't even try MoF), so I can't say much about it.
(inb4tl;dr)
Well i've been toying around with VoWG. I have out around 20 attempts into it tonight and i'm already starting to loose patience. I'll have to be a little more persistent towards it later though as its a spell i really want to have under my belt.
Oh and whats that about never having tried MoF? You need to do that. Its one the best Touhou games in my opinion. Just out of curiousity. What Touhou games have you beat and on what difficulty?
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Well i've been toying around with VoWG. I have out around 20 attempts into it tonight and i'm already starting to loose patience. I'll have to be a little more persistent towards it later though as its a spell i really want to have under my belt.
Oh and whats that about never having tried MoF? You need to do that. Its one the best Touhou games in my opinion. Just out of curiousity. What Touhou games have you beat and on what difficulty?
I'm pretty sure many people (like me) are dying to attempt that spell card, but if I were to play that spell card, chances are, I'd most likely 1CC MoF on Hard/Lunatic, whether I capture that spell card or not.
The reason why I never tried MoF is because...well, I've been persistent in Live Search Club (http://club.live.com), a group of online games by Microsoft, where you win tickets in which you redeem them for certain prizes. If you're super-patient, you just might redeem a Xbox 360 from there for free (though that's never happened to me before, but a friend of mine did). I have a long history of prizes there, so I'd rather not mention my 'long list'. Even today, I'm after a couple prizes.
While I'm typing this, I'm downloading MoF off of...let's say...'someplace'. I've heard stories of Stage 4 being the most bullshit stage in the history of Touhou, and VoWG being the hardest spell card in existence (and I thought Scarlet Gensokyo in EoSD was the hardest...well, I don't know). As for my history in Touhou gaming...from the top of my head:
1CC PCB on Easy (since then, I haven't really touched it that much)
1CC IN on Easy/Normal
2CC IN on Hard...but I don't know if this counts if I beat 6A
1CC SA on Easy
I can do some Hard, and sometimes I play on Lunatic just to screw around and to see how far I can get. Orin owns me in Stage 5 Normal in SA...but whatever, it's normal that something like this happens, and there's many others that have the same problem as well, but I'll try to figure something out.
EDIT: One more thing - I mostly play Touhou at school, but if I were to play SA, I'd most likely have to play it at home, since I can't really install DirectX files here at school due to administrative rights. Not sure about MoF. At least I can play EoSD, PCB, and IN over here, which is fine by me.
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MoF stage 4 isn't so bad outside of Momizi and the part after her. And Aya. Plus VoWG isn't as bad as everybody says. It's hard, yes, but I don't see why everyone thinks that it's the most OMGWTFWALLHAX card ever.
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MoF stage 4 isn't so bad outside of Momizi and the part after her. And Aya. Plus VoWG isn't as bad as everybody says. It's hard, yes, but I don't see why everyone thinks that it's the most OMGWTFWALLHAX card ever.
Hm, well, not a whole lot of people experienced VoWG. Well, once I try out MoF, I'll begin to realize what everything is like. Well, I'm pretty sure everyone has their own perspectives about the stages they surpassed.
(Give me X days, X months, and maybe X years, then I'll be able to tell my experience in VoWG)
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I went and relived my first experiences of playing EoSD Easy today, now that I have the actual CD. The first time I played (a bit over a year ago), I don't think I made it past Icicle Fall due to it looking hard from the bottom of the screen... Even today, the Meiling battle still manages to beat me around a bit.
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Hm, I thought the Get Down meme originated from this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP5c_MEs9mo), but then again, I could be wrong. Sadly, I haven't paid much attention to such things, I guess. (let's just say that other things were in the way)
Anyway, I usually play window, in case I receive an IM pop-up from someone.
It is, but that just an example. :)
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MoF stage 4 isn't so bad outside of Momizi and the part after her. And Aya. Plus VoWG isn't as bad as everybody says. It's hard, yes, but I don't see why everyone thinks that it's the most OMGWTFWALLHAX card ever.
Weren't you the one who failed 130+ times at it or so? I'm pretty sure you posted something about it. Well, the reason i think its so goddamn hard is that it often throws walls at my face. That leaves me with two options. Try looking for a hole through it and immediatly thereafter dodge another wave of amulets all while maintaining precision. The other possibility is to dodge around the waves which is mostly possible yet you must make your desicion in about a split second.
I'm pretty sure many people (like me) are dying to attempt that spell card, but if I were to play that spell card, chances are, I'd most likely 1CC MoF on Hard/Lunatic, whether I capture that spell card or not.
The reason why I never tried MoF is because...well, I've been persistent in Live Search Club (http://club.live.com), a group of online games by Microsoft, where you win tickets in which you redeem them for certain prizes. If you're super-patient, you just might redeem a Xbox 360 from there for free (though that's never happened to me before, but a friend of mine did). I have a long history of prizes there, so I'd rather not mention my 'long list'. Even today, I'm after a couple prizes.
While I'm typing this, I'm downloading MoF off of...let's say...'someplace'. I've heard stories of Stage 4 being the most bullshit stage in the history of Touhou, and VoWG being the hardest spell card in existence (and I thought Scarlet Gensokyo in EoSD was the hardest...well, I don't know). As for my history in Touhou gaming...from the top of my head:
1CC PCB on Easy (since then, I haven't really touched it that much)
1CC IN on Easy/Normal
2CC IN on Hard...but I don't know if this counts if I beat 6A
1CC SA on Easy
I can do some Hard, and sometimes I play on Lunatic just to screw around and to see how far I can get. Orin owns me in Stage 5 Normal in SA...but whatever, it's normal that something like this happens, and there's many others that have the same problem as well, but I'll try to figure something out.
EDIT: One more thing - I mostly play Touhou at school, but if I were to play SA, I'd most likely have to play it at home, since I can't really install DirectX files here at school due to administrative rights. Not sure about MoF. At least I can play EoSD, PCB, and IN over here, which is fine by me.
If you put the dll. files in your game directory it should work. I have done so myself and about Stage 4. Well, Donut pretty much told you the story. Its pretty much only Momizi and her post-garbage that's making the stage infamous. But thats also quite a bunch of things. The stage goes something like this. Five fairies pop up and deliver some bullets for you. You can easily eliminate them and if you stand on their spawn points when they spawn (keep shooting) they can't even hurt you which completely neutralizes that part. Then some more fairies come. Those can be streamed. Then big and probably cute fairy come up. Unload stars. You dodge stars, easy enough and then the forerunner to the bullshit comes. Just this one isn't bullshit but it will require a tactic to tackle it on Normal and above. Then goes Momizi. She is evil. Then goes her bullshit. If you want to neutralize some of the bullshit you can run the timer down on Momizi. Pick your poison. After bullshit, some more streaming. Then even more streaming after another of the big fairies. Then three big fairies appear. One at a time. They deliver heavy star danmaku. Its pretty simple dodging though i'm unsure about the lunatic version. Then goes some more crows, this time shooting some Danmaku. You can neutralize most of them by clinging to one side of the screen and maybe PoC rush once in a while for score. After that its slutty chick time. You encounter those crows earlier in the stage though they are harmless.
And there goes me writing up an essay about Stage 4. Probably very unneeded but it should get the point across about how Momizi is the reason the stage is considered terrible. To a certain extent at least.
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If you put the dll. files in your game directory it should work. I have done so myself and about Stage 4.
I'll see if this works when I head to campus next Monday. I'm glad I didn't have to wait hours to finish d/l MoF, since I d/l the game on campus (T3 ftw).
Well, Donut pretty much told you the story. Its pretty much only Momizi and her post-garbage that's making the stage infamous. But thats also quite a bunch of things. The stage goes something like this. Five fairies pop up and deliver some bullets for you. You can easily eliminate them and if you stand on their spawn points when they spawn (keep shooting) they can't even hurt you which completely neutralizes that part. Then some more fairies come. Those can be streamed. Then big and probably cute fairy come up. Unload stars. You dodge stars, easy enough and then the forerunner to the bullshit comes. Just this one isn't bullshit but it will require a tactic to tackle it on Normal and above. Then goes Momizi. She is evil. Then goes her bullshit. If you want to neutralize some of the bullshit you can run the timer down on Momizi. Pick your poison. After bullshit, some more streaming. Then even more streaming after another of the big fairies. Then three big fairies appear. One at a time. They deliver heavy star danmaku. Its pretty simple dodging though i'm unsure about the lunatic version. Then goes some more crows, this time shooting some Danmaku. You can neutralize most of them by clinging to one side of the screen and maybe PoC rush once in a while for score. After that its slutty chick time. You encounter those crows earlier in the stage though they are harmless.
And there goes me writing up an essay about Stage 4. Probably very unneeded but it should get the point across about how Momizi is the reason the stage is considered terrible. To a certain extent at least.
I haven't experienced Stage 4 on Hard/Lunatic, but I'll eventually get there sooner or later (the X days, X months, and X years applies to this, too), but yeah, thanks for the heads-up. After watching a perfect Aya run (despite screwing around in the midst of the stage run), I'm not really sure if I can handle something like that just after a few attempts - I'm sure it'll take tons of attempts to get used to the spell cards. Aya's "Peerless Wind God" is something that I'd end up bombing often, if I happen to reach it, and I'm sure everyone did that when they first encountered the spell card. I wished I could master this in a matter of months, just like the persistent others, but real-life things just get in the way...
I think I'll start MoF on Easy to be safe than sorry. Then Normal, then slowly to Hard or Extra, then if possible, Lunatic (though this part's unlikely to happen in less than a month). I'll start my MoF debut on Monday, assuming that it works on school comps.
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I'll see if this works when I head to campus next Monday. I'm glad I didn't have to wait hours to finish d/l MoF, since I d/l the game on campus (T3 ftw).
I haven't experienced Stage 4 on Hard/Lunatic, but I'll eventually get there sooner or later (the X days, X months, and X years applies to this, too), but yeah, thanks for the heads-up. After watching a perfect Aya run (despite screwing around in the midst of the stage run), I'm not really sure if I can handle something like that just after a few attempts - I'm sure it'll take tons of attempts to get used to the spell cards. Aya's "Peerless Wind God" is something that I'd end up bombing often, if I happen to reach it, and I'm sure everyone did that when they first encountered the spell card. I wished I could master this in a matter of months, just like the persistent others, but real-life things just get in the way...
I think I'll start MoF on Easy to be safe than sorry. Then Normal, then slowly to Hard or Extra, then if possible, Lunatic (though this part's unlikely to happen in less than a month). I'll start my MoF debut on Monday, assuming that it works on school comps.
Remember to download the dll. files you need beforehand. You might not be able to download stuff on the school comps even if it is just onto a USB-stick or something like that.
And don't be jealous of those persistent ones. The point of a game is to have fun and not necessarily be good at it. I don't get why everyone want to be masters in just a year. How prestigeful would that be? "Oh, i've got a year worth of experience!". Well, i'd rather be able to say "Well i have been playing these games for over 5 years." Another thing that might be worth considering is: What about afterwards? At some time you will reach a point where you have done anything. Beat lunatic in all ridiculous ways conceivable. Same thing with Extra. Capped all spells. Timed them all out and the games are gradually getting more and more boring. I think thats a pretty realistic scenario. Thats another of the reasons why i don't feel like practicing all the time. I want to take my sweet time and enjoy the games to the fullest.
With these games i have something to improve myself at. Something to get better at. There is always a goal looming in the horizon and there simply won't be that once everything have been done. You could say that Touhou is my life but not in the typical way. I want the life to last forever unlike most who apparently seems to want to get it over with as fast as possible. Of course that doesn't have to be the case. Some people might even just practice in order to prove themself to others rather than satisfy themselves.
Well, i'm done with my preaching. Now its time to go play something thats not Touhou.
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My first was IN, I got to Marisa as the border team and that's when I started having trouble. I was surprised I got that far with just a few deaths and bombings. I think I actually beat normal in 1cc my first time, probably because I watched the replay before hand.
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I got my little brother to try Subterranean Animism Easy yesterday. He got game over at Yamame. ::)
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Remember to download the dll. files you need beforehand. You might not be able to download stuff on the school comps even if it is just onto a USB-stick or something like that.
And don't be jealous of those persistent ones. The point of a game is to have fun and not necessarily be good at it. I don't get why everyone want to be masters in just a year. How prestigeful would that be? "Oh, i've got a year worth of experience!". Well, i'd rather be able to say "Well i have been playing these games for over 5 years." Another thing that might be worth considering is: What about afterwards? At some time you will reach a point where you have done anything. Beat lunatic in all ridiculous ways conceivable. Same thing with Extra. Capped all spells. Timed them all out and the games are gradually getting more and more boring. I think thats a pretty realistic scenario. Thats another of the reasons why i don't feel like practicing all the time. I want to take my sweet time and enjoy the games to the fullest.
With these games i have something to improve myself at. Something to get better at. There is always a goal looming in the horizon and there simply won't be that once everything have been done. You could say that Touhou is my life but not in the typical way. I want the life to last forever unlike most who apparently seems to want to get it over with as fast as possible. Of course that doesn't have to be the case. Some people might even just practice in order to prove themself to others rather than satisfy themselves.
Well, i'm done with my preaching. Now its time to go play something thats not Touhou.
I just tested MoF in my flash drive with the .dll file in the game directory, and luckily, it works. Sucks that I can't do it in full screen though, but at least window works, so I guess I'll stick to that.
Unless it's Warcraft 3, I don't really take games seriously, unless I'm bored out of my mind or something. Sure, I may have captured almost all Lunatic spell cards in IN (though in spell practice), but that doesn't make me fully confident that I'd capture other Lunatic spell cards in PCB, SA, etc. I've been playing Touhou for almost exactly a year now, so I should feel confident about myself. I guess certain people want to play Lunatic just to show off. As for me, a 1CC on any Touhou game on Lunatic isn't one of my main goals, but that's something other Touhou players would want to achieve.
Back when I was spell practicing in IN, there were certain spell cards where I became very persistent. I practiced and practiced until a certain number of tries, and then I eventually captured them. Of course, there were certain spell cards that I'd never want to play again, like the Last Word spell card 215 (Fantasy Heaven). After about 400 attempts, I'm like 'I am never playing this spell card ever again.' I'm pretty sure everyone else who captured it agreed as well.
(Come to think of it...I was reading this discussion (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:High_scores) in touhou.wikia...this MSH guy who claimed he had a legit 485 million UFO replay (and eventually a 621...or 685 million UFO replay) is a cheater? I wished I could delve into it more, but the forum posts appeared to be deleted. I only know a little Japanese (took 3 years of Japanese in school), so translators are the way to go. I never played UFO, but I already know how hard it is on Lunatic.)
EDIT: So I managed to earn my first (small) achievement of MoF: a 1CC on Easy. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=3298) I do admit, though, that I've made quite a few mistakes, but it's normal. Next goal: 1CC on Normal
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Next monday i will have played for exactly a year. I wonder how you celebrate that "much more important than christmas and birthday" date?
Anyway playing Touhou on Lunatic just for show off is maybe a the driving force of some. Its not what makes me play the games though. Of course, showing off is super-?ber awesome but you can make most people's jaw drop on the Normal difficulty so the only reason i continue playing after clearing all games on Hard is because i like them very much. Touhou is one of the best game series i have ever played. It's even better than Final Fantasy which held my heart a year back (well, it still does but having beat all those games 5-6 times it gets a little old.)
I understand that you play a lot of Warcraft huh? Well, i've never found much love for RTS games. I just suck at those and the gameplay isn't very appealing in my opinion. It takes patience and persistency. Patience and persistency i don't have. I could clear a Touhou game in the time it takes to beat a mission in some RTS games. I just don't like that kind of gameplay very much. Do you like any other game genres?
PS: I know you don't like diggin' in the past, but when i saw that attempt to pass off a TAS PCB Lunatic Clear as legit i thought you were nothing but a poor loser not deserving of the flesh you had been granted. You could say that you are proof that even the lousiest of all sins can be redeemed.
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Re: Your first experience at (any) Touhou game(s).
Crushed by my own Hakurei Yin-Yang Orb in Highly Responsive to Prayers. Stage one. About ten seconds in.
Decided that I would play something else.
Killed by random shot about five seconds into Story of Eastern Wonderland.
Decided that I would maybe try to play one of the Windows games.
Killed about seven seconds into EoSD easy mode. By crashing into random fairy.
"... wow, I really suck at this! ... COOL!"
(It took me about two weeks to discover what focused fire was, and about two and a half months later to beat EoSD easy. Aw man, good times, good times.)
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Next monday i will have played for exactly a year. I wonder how you celebrate that "much more important than christmas and birthday" date?
Anyway playing Touhou on Lunatic just for show off is maybe a the driving force of some. Its not what makes me play the games though. Of course, showing off is super-?ber awesome but you can make most people's jaw drop on the Normal difficulty so the only reason i continue playing after clearing all games on Hard is because i like them very much. Touhou is one of the best game series i have ever played. It's even better than Final Fantasy which held my heart a year back (well, it still does but having beat all those games 5-6 times it gets a little old.)
I understand that you play a lot of Warcraft huh? Well, i've never found much love for RTS games. I just suck at those and the gameplay isn't very appealing in my opinion. It takes patience and persistency. Patience and persistency i don't have. I could clear a Touhou game in the time it takes to beat a mission in some RTS games. I just don't like that kind of gameplay very much. Do you like any other game genres?
PS: I know you don't like diggin' in the past, but when i saw that attempt to pass off a TAS PCB Lunatic Clear as legit i thought you were nothing but a poor loser not deserving of the flesh you had been granted. You could say that you are proof that even the lousiest of all sins can be redeemed.
Congrats! I don't remember the exact date I started playing Touhou, but it's somewhere in late May or early June...can't exactly remember when. I'm not sure how I'm gonna celebrate, but...um, give me some time to think about it.
Anyway, I'll just assume the fact that I watch Lunatic replays just to entertain myself, really, and nothing else. I know it's an incredible feat by the successful, but if they achieve it, congrats. As of now, I only made a small achievement that is not Lunatic (which I posted above), but hey - at least it's worth something.
Yeah, I play a lot of Warcraft...been fighting in Warcraft 3 since 2003. It took me a good 5 months to at least become decent, and for the record, the race I mostly played was Undead. Many don't succeed to be decent because there's so much to learn. It takes days...maybe months to adapt to a race, If anyone can play Random, that's an added bonus! We've got someone here in MotK that can play Random (take a guess), yet I can't. Oh well.
I don't know if I'll be looking forward to Starcraft II, though. Thing is, I have to update my desktop. This means more RAM as well as a better video card. I fail if I don't meet the conditions... :(
I'm also into RPG's as well...but I mostly play the Pokemon games (Diamond/Pearl/Platinum), since I happen to be a competitive battler. Problem is, since I'm stressing out with my schoolwork, I really don't have that much time to progress through...therefore I don't have time to build a competitive team. I've faced hacked teams before, and scraped them, but it's not too uncommon for something like that to happen. Once finals are over, hopefully I'll be able to return to establishing a better team and whatnot. Other than that, I play Final Fantasy games (from 1-12, did not beat 9 and 12...11 doesn't count), the old-school Descent series (first 3D FPS ever, iirc), and I even make games via RPG Maker XP/VX. Speaking of that, I'm trying to make a game similar to the Dynasty Warriors games, except I use my own original characters, but it's just not working well due to scripting errors (I have a friend that does scripting...he's not pro at scripting, so not much I can do about it). I just haven't worked in it for quite a long time (and it's easy to be incapable of progressing when the time comes).
As for my sins, though I'm not positive if this is the right word, but I can only think of 'penance'. There's someone that's worse than me, seriously, and that's the guy I mentioned above (the MSH guy). I guess I should just say 'honest to God' when I really have to if I cleared anything that's considered 'Lunatic'. As I said before, at least my 'Hourai Jewel Lunatic' replay/video is deemed legit, and I have a lot of evidence to prove that fact. There is obviously no need for me to say those three words if it's a 1CC on Easy in any game - anyone can achieve that.
*expects someone to say tl;dr, and I understand
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I 1CC'd normal, that is "proof" I'll 1CC SA Lunatic one day in the not necessarily foreseeable future. Touhou has somewhat less to learn than an RTS from the point of view that characters are not usually so wildly different and although there are many spells it's only "one set". Very different from Warcraft or Starcraft, for instance, that particularly excel at variation (especially Star, HELL YEAH ZERGLINGS!). But it's the same principle (particularly because the touhou difficulty curve IS steeper). You play a litte, you learn a little. You play some more, you learn some more... There's not much rushing these kind of things.
As for SC2. We all have to upgrade our machines at SOME point. I started playing SC in what, 2006? You're ALWAYS in time to pick that up (despite all the hissing and RRRAAAAAAAGGGGGEEEEE that you might experience from all the planned changes. I do, but Blizzard certainly earned my trust)
HAHAHAHA! DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK WOW! (shit killed Warcraft with the fire, spat on it, shit on top and then poured dusted britney spears albums all over it)
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Congrats! I don't remember the exact date I started playing Touhou, but it's somewhere in late May or early June...can't exactly remember when. I'm not sure how I'm gonna celebrate, but...um, give me some time to think about it.
Anyway, I'll just assume the fact that I watch Lunatic replays just to entertain myself, really, and nothing else. I know it's an incredible feat by the successful, but if they achieve it, congrats. As of now, I only made a small achievement that is not Lunatic (which I posted above), but hey - at least it's worth something.
Yeah, I play a lot of Warcraft...been fighting in Warcraft 3 since 2003. It took me a good 5 months to at least become decent, and for the record, the race I mostly played was Undead. Many don't succeed to be decent because there's so much to learn. It takes days...maybe months to adapt to a race, If anyone can play Random, that's an added bonus! We've got someone here in MotK that can play Random (take a guess), yet I can't. Oh well.
I don't know if I'll be looking forward to Starcraft II, though. Thing is, I have to update my desktop. This means more RAM as well as a better video card. I fail if I don't meet the conditions... :(
I'm also into RPG's as well...but I mostly play the Pokemon games (Diamond/Pearl/Platinum), since I happen to be a competitive battler. Problem is, since I'm stressing out with my schoolwork, I really don't have that much time to progress through...therefore I don't have time to build a competitive team. I've faced hacked teams before, and scraped them, but it's not too uncommon for something like that to happen. Once finals are over, hopefully I'll be able to return to establishing a better team and whatnot. Other than that, I play Final Fantasy games (from 1-12, did not beat 9 and 12...11 doesn't count), the old-school Descent series (first 3D FPS ever, iirc), and I even make games via RPG Maker XP/VX. Speaking of that, I'm trying to make a game similar to the Dynasty Warriors games, except I use my own original characters, but it's just not working well due to scripting errors (I have a friend that does scripting...he's not pro at scripting, so not much I can do about it). I just haven't worked in it for quite a long time (and it's easy to be incapable of progressing when the time comes).
As for my sins, though I'm not positive if this is the right word, but I can only think of 'penance'. There's someone that's worse than me, seriously, and that's the guy I mentioned above (the MSH guy). I guess I should just say 'honest to God' when I really have to if I cleared anything that's considered 'Lunatic'. As I said before, at least my 'Hourai Jewel Lunatic' replay/video is deemed legit, and I have a lot of evidence to prove that fact. There is obviously no need for me to say those three words if it's a 1CC on Easy in any game - anyone can achieve that.
*expects someone to say tl;dr, and I understand
Sin is indeed the right word. Of course that's all forgiven now. That MSH guy better hope i don't pick up his scent. ;)
Oh, so you play Final Fantasy huh? Yeah, great games. Can't wait for no. 13 but i'll probably have Lunatic beat in all the games before that happens. I don't care much about Pokemon though. The games are okay and they are great RPG's for kids but i prefer RPG's of incredible challenge value like Lost Odyssey for the Xbox 360 or just RPG's with great storylines. Pokemon have none of that but its still kind of decent if you've got the right mindset.
About Final Fantasy... just out of curiosity. How do you feel about... no. 2, 5, 8 and 12? It is important. The fate of the world might depend on your answer. (No, not really. Just curious.)
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2 - never played it;
5 - Bloody awesome, 90's random sillyness;
8 - I Meh'd through the first disc. Bloody stupid system made me go into the last battle with no command set. I lost a GF. RAGE QUIT (that and my first disc would crash at the intro);
12 - Pitifully weak all around except for a few little things scattered all around that were bloody brilliant (Rabanastre itself, the town of the Viera... s'more stuff I won't remember). Quite the opposite of 10 (which was awesome but with some really really shitty bits)
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Sin is indeed the right word. Of course that's all forgiven now. That MSH guy better hope i don't pick up his scent. ;)
Oh, so you play Final Fantasy huh? Yeah, great games. Can't wait for no. 13 but i'll probably have Lunatic beat in all the games before that happens. I don't care much about Pokemon though. The games are okay and they are great RPG's for kids but i prefer RPG's of incredible challenge value like Lost Odyssey for the Xbox 360 or just RPG's with great storylines. Pokemon have none of that but its still kind of decent if you've got the right mindset.
About Final Fantasy... just out of curiosity. How do you feel about... no. 2, 5, 8 and 12? It is important. The fate of the world might depend on your answer. (No, not really. Just curious.)
Yep, played most Final Fantasy games. Hopefully, I can afford a PS3 before FF13 comes out, and as for the numbers you mentioned:
2 - This game was a joke. Backstab your party members (just as long as you don't kill them) and their HP increases (wat). Not only that, when it comes to the final boss, Blood Sword ftw. Not sure if this works for FF3.
5 - I played both the SNES and GBA, but definitely play the GBA version. Not only that, you got the epic Gilgamesh theme, which is pretty catchy. Once you accomplish everything, go after the true final boss. ;)
8 - Spell grinding makes the game easier. Better yet, it actually is the 'easiest' game of all the FF games, and sadly, it's the most hated FF game iirc. Still, it's worth the time. Bahamut is weak... :(
12 - Never played, so I can't really say much about this.
After all, I still don't know if I'll be playing Touhou that often before FF13 comes out, since there's other things that just get in the way. Recently, I missed a Pokemon convention, only because I had a Saturday class (damn you...), but that's life, I guess.
(Speaking of my custom RPG games, I try to make it as challenging and frustrating as possible, but we'll just see what happens...)
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Haha, what a long story...
I was playing osu! one day and someone decided to play U.N. Owen Is Her? (Ronald Mix) in multiplayer. I didn't know what it was and downloaded it to play.
Queue wtf.
That's the end of that for a few days until I decided to look it up on YouTube to show a friend. I happened to notice then that it was a crazy mix of something, and checked out what it was a remix of. The real U.N. Owen Was Her? was amazing, and I had to find out what game it was from, which lead me to a video of the insanity that is Flandre Scarlet.
After seeing that I thought, "What a crazy game, I'd never be able to play it." That sunk in for a few days until I finally gave in and downloaded EoSD.
Long story short, I couldn't even get past Stage 3 on Easy for awhile...
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Welcome to the club. EoSD is somewhat tricky. You may want go Marisa A all the way (sure you'll get some hard time with patchy but trust me, Remi and Flan will make you see her damage output with really bright eyes). Play some PCB and IN since they're somewhat more friendly (in b4: ZOMG! PCB IS FUKKEN IMPOSSIBLE (it isn't. It was my first bad ending and my first good ending. There's gotta be a reason for that)). You also want to stay the FUCK AWAY FROM EASY MODE. It'll take you a while but :
1 - You'll actually are going to learn some touhou.
2 - You can't unlock Flan in easy
3 - MAAAJI? EASY MODE? KIMOI!!! (http://dagobah.biz/flash/IOSYS_tohotsukitoro_translated.swf)
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My first experience at Touhou (or any "bullet hell" shmup for that matter) is...TODAY.
anyway I'm playing embodiment of the scarlet devil and I'm totally loving it... ... and hating it lol. Seriously though I was unaware that games were much harder than gradius or whatever for a shootemup.. ok so I know a few, but I've always prided myself on finishing hard games, including I wanna be the guy on very hard and I wanna be the fangame, etc.
Anyway, I've played embodiment of the scarlet devil for pretty much all day now and it's really cool. However I'm dissapointed with my own learning curve. I've been a very good gamer all my life so I've had high expectations for how fast I'd learn the game. I've tried like 5 times now and I just can't beat the game on normal without a continue (I want the good ending damnit), so I've been searching high and low for tips or guides.. or anything to show me how to play better so I can accomplish this (I wish to be able to beat every windows-based tohou game on the hardest difficulty setting in a year >=P).
Anyway I can beat level 1 on normal without any bombs or lives pretty easily (and manage about 60ish power ups). I can beat 2 at max power, and while I can sometimes manage without using a life or a bomb, I occasionally use a bomb on the boss (which is embarrasing, sometimes she actually kills me at which point I just reset).
Stage 3 however is another story. Sometimes I have to use a bomb on the level itself, not just the boss (though not often). But as for the boss, even the mid-level portion is hard as nails for me.. or at least the spellcard part. I just can't seem to figure out why I suck so bad at her. As soon as she uses her only spellcard in the mid-level portion of stage 3, I panic. No matter how many times I try this, it's hard. I've done it without bombs or lives sometimes sure, but I just *FEEL* like I'll never ever ever feel safe doing it.
do bullet hell shmup pros ever feel safe doing this sort of thing? or do they always feel like "oh my god help me!" when they do the thing that they do?
is there some sort or trick to her spell card that makes it easier? I haven't been able to find a youtube video or whatever that shows me one.
Anyway I expected the game to become easier as I eventually figure out the (relatively) safe area of each attack from each boss, but it just seems like 90% of the attacks in the game that I find slightly difficult or worse just don't have such an area.
Anyway the 3rd boss is pretty easy still overall, I feel bad to die in level 3 overall, but I still feel like a noob for consistently using 2, or maybe even 3 bombs on the level, and sometimes I even die.. well alot of the time I die. But sometimes I die and feel too lame to bother resetting cuz of it.
I just discovered this forum, so I truly apologize if I ask questions which are already answered. I'm really eager to improve myself asap. I'll delete this post later if you all like if it's a dumb noob lament >=). But if anybody can give me any tips at all to where I might go to improve my gameplay I'd very much appreciate it.
Also, btw. Why is scarlet devil excluded from the sticky guide on the top of this forum?
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btw I assume scarlet devil is the easiest of the windows touhou games. Am I incorrect? If you think I should start with another game which in your opinion? While parts of what I researched suggest it may not be the easiest (cuz of the crazy fast reaction time for you to counter-bomb a death), I'm still expecting it to be the easiest because I heard zen makes each touhou harder for the fans of the previous touhou...with the possible exception of whichever one had "evil eye sigma".
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I'd finish IWBTG, if it didn't crash on me after every 5 deaths or so.
...good luck with that goal. Just a heads up, Subterranean Animism Lunatic is arguably one of the most difficult. The room for error that you actually have is absurdly small. I've been going close to a year, and can only get through bits and pieces of Lunatic.
Hong Meiling's [stage 3 mid-boss] Spell Card has a randomness factor to them. Watching (not super-play) but medium-high play can help. Other than that, you will just have to do some decently precise dodging (and practice, of course).
Hmm... about feeling safe while playing through? To a certain degree. I've been able to perform moves where people go "How?", and I don't see it as anything. Regardless, there are always times where you will just do the most stupidest of things, so... >_>
There are still times where anxiousness do come in though, even at the lower difficulties.
Noob's lament or not, it doesn't matter. I believe most of us started out quite amateurish as well. Asking for tips are better off in either the "Spellcard Help Topic" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=389.0), or another thread that you open asking for tips [give details]. Sometimes, they might even get answered in the "Touhou RAGE Thread" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=40.0).
To address:
I just discovered this forum, so I truly apologize if I ask questions which are already answered. I'm really eager to improve myself asap. I'll delete this post later if you all like if it's a dumb noob lament >=). But if anybody can give me any tips at all to where I might go to improve my gameplay I'd very much appreciate it.
The more you ask, the more advice you will receive. Most [who frequent this part] will be able to give advice quite easily.
Oh wow, didn't see this:
btw I assume scarlet devil is the easiest of the windows touhou games. Am I incorrect? If you think I should start with another game which in your opinion? While parts of what I researched suggest it may not be the easiest (cuz of the crazy fast reaction time for you to counter-bomb a death), I'm still expecting it to be the easiest because I heard zen makes each touhou harder for the fans of the previous touhou...with the possible exception of whichever one had "evil eye sigma".
(The) Embodiment of Scarlet Devil (EoSD) isn't the easiest of the Touhou games for Windows [according to most]. Arguably, it would be Imperishable Night (IN) or Mountain of Faith (MoF). Imperishable Night because of the extended bomb-system, and Mountain of Faith for its awesome bombing system easily abused bombing system. Focusing also produces a hitbox for all windows games after EoSD. However people rate each game differently.
Evil Eye Sigma is from (the) Story of Eastern Wonderland, a.k.a. Touhou 2. (PC-98). It is... different. No deathbomb window, no focus. And hitbox display upon focus didn't even come in until Perfect Cherry Blosssom (PCB).
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I started with Immaterial and Missing Power, I did pretty well in it '3'
Then I moved onto PCB, I was so awful, but I was playing Lunatic to see how well I could do, at first I couldn't survive at all then discovered bombing and I got upto stage 3 then Alice murdered me...
then I found out about focus mode 3 months later o_o
THen I retried and got frustrated at stage 4 XD
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Hehe, welcome to the club. Don't beat yourself up for having a hard time. It took me some 3 months until I managed to get my first good ending on PCB. It really is just a lot of stuff
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btw I assume scarlet devil is the easiest of the windows touhou games. Am I incorrect? If you think I should start with another game which in your opinion? While parts of what I researched suggest it may not be the easiest (cuz of the crazy fast reaction time for you to counter-bomb a death), I'm still expecting it to be the easiest because I heard zen makes each touhou harder for the fans of the previous touhou...with the possible exception of whichever one had "evil eye sigma".
I find the easiest Windows game to be Imperishable Night. I've posted this before, but EoSD and PCB took me a couple moths of grinding to finally 1cc Normal; IN took me two tries.
Also, welcome!
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cools, thanks for the info guys. Haven't played any EoSD yet today but I look forward to it. While I might try the easier Touhou for windows games normally now that you guys mentioned IM is a possibility, I kinda don't want to if they are considered easier simply because of bombing reasons. I need to improve my skills with the game, not.. well, dumb it down by relying on bombs more than I should >=P, I still appreciate the comments though.
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Well, frankly, I'd still play EoSD first. All the other games can spoil you; EoSD is probably the most "pure" Touhou. No hitbox kinda sucks, but I think it has its pluses.
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Well, frankly, I'd still play EoSD first. All the other games can spoil you; EoSD is probably the most "pure" Touhou. No hitbox kinda sucks, but I think it has its pluses.
No Hitbox is good for learning, because you learn your hitbox.
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When i wasnt so good i was looking at my hitbox a lot and focused too much..
Soon i became more "adapted" and i didnt focused so much.
After some time i can dodge without actually looking my sprite..i just sort of know where it is..
it is very difficult to describe this feeling but when u get used to it u will focus only becuase of the different shot attack or in a storm of bullets where u need "slower" and more precise movement.
but confirming the hotbox visualy is defently a bonus :)
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It's hard to say how the difficulty will go with each game. What I can tell you is that it's not as simple as "it gets harder each game", although SA is harder than MoF and unless UFO is fixed UFO will be harder than SA.
And Evil Eye Sigma is from the second game and yeah. >_> That's something else.
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It's hard to say how the difficulty will go with each game. What I can tell you is that it's not as simple as "it gets harder each game", although SA is harder than MoF and unless UFO is fixed UFO will be harder than SA.
UFO is undoubtedly going to be toned down. After all, it was the exact same with SA; people complained that the demo's stage 3 was bullshit, and in the full game release it turned out to be much easier. My guess is that ZUN just likes amping up the difficulty for his demos to give the superplayers something to nibble on. Or he's just too drunk to give a rat's ass about testing stuff. Probably the latter.
As far as difficulty goes, although there are some aspects of the games that can be agreed on, in the end a lot of it is subjective. All the games, though mostly similar, have subtle differences in their bullet patterns/game mechanics that people will like or dislike. For instance, some people find the input lag in PCB or EoSD's lack of visible hitbox to be extremely hindering while some people don't really notice/mind it at all. Everyone's mileage may vary.
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the input lag in PCB
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I BOMBED AND YOU KNOW IT, YOUMU
I seriously hope you're right, though. The UFO system needs serious tweaking, power could use some fixing (die and you're screwed for the rest of the level/boss), and WTF BROFISTS.
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When i wasnt so good i was looking at my hitbox a lot and focused too much..
Soon i became more "adapted" and i didnt focused so much.
After some time i can dodge without actually looking my sprite..i just sort of know where it is..
it is very difficult to describe this feeling but when u get used to it u will focus only becuase of the different shot attack or in a storm of bullets where u need "slower" and more precise movement.
but confirming the hotbox visualy is defently a bonus :)
yeah I can't do that yet very well, but there are certain moves where I find it easier to look ahead for "less bullet heavy spots" in a spell card attack and move there as I look for new ones rather than look at my character. Most moves however I still need to focus on my character. the 4th boss is probably the boss where I can do this best, she's still pretty hard for me to beat without bombing though.
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So I tried again today, managed to get past the first 3 levels without any lives, using boms on colorful rain and tsunami only (good for me be quiet! >=P), I managed to do beautiful flower without a bomb, yay.
Then I died on level 4 trash (why god whyy), and died twice on the 4th boss herself before I even got to her 2nd spellcard. I just hit quit game and cried in the corner for a couple hours after that.
So I practiced level 4, and found it to be much much more important to memoroize the spawn location of each enemy so you don't get swarmed by bullets because you take too long to kill their source. I also found out that it's just not worth risking going above the poc as a newbie, every time I do out of habit more enemies spawn under me, I get trapped, and owned.
Even after several practice runs on level 4 though I just can't seem to beat the boss' stupid clockwise then counterclockwise laser attacks (it's not even a spellcard how insulting!) safely. worst non-spellcard attack ever (for me).
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For instance, some people find the input lag in PCB or EoSD's lack of visible hitbox to be extremely hindering while some people don't really notice/mind it at all. Everyone's mileage may vary.
I'd definitely say that PCB is the hardest bitch of the bunch. Mainly due to a lot of bullshit. A: Reimu don't move properly. B: There is two ways to use bombs. I often need bombs while unfocused and that will result in a poor bomb. C: Prismriver garbage. D: Youmu garbage. E: Yuyuko garbage.
It is as you say subjective as a lot of people won't understand my reasons for complaining about PCB. Its alright though as i did manage to reach Yuyu's first spellcard on Hard before losing my final life. I don't really care about clearing so usually consider it done as i could probably do it in a few tries but the game is a pain to play so that won't happen.
I guess most people will consider SA to be the hardest game. IF they haven't played PC98.
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Even after several practice runs on level 4 though I just can't seem to beat the boss' stupid clockwise then counterclockwise laser attacks (it's not even a spellcard how insulting!) safely. worst non-spellcard attack ever (for me).
1. Shoot Patchy point-blank during first set of lasers
2. Go down to the bottom left. Tap to the right to dodge aimed bullets and make your way to the center.
3. Second set of lasers, move to the right side of the screen to avoid the aimed bullets and lasers.
4. Tap to the left to dodge aimed bullets and make your way to the center.
5. Third set of lasers. Bullets are more dense, but they're still all aimed at you, so just repeat stage 3, but moving left instead of right.
6. Start at step 2 and repeat until dead.
Don't worry, everybody sucks at Non-directional laser at first. It's basically a "You need to know where to be/move beforehand or I will rape you lol" kind of attack.
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Imperishable Night -> Hard -> Instaraep in stage 1.
Hahahaha..
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Imperishable Night -> Hard -> Instaraep in stage 1.
Now that one sounds more like me. 1st time EoSD Lunatic. Rumia ate me.
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Now that one sounds more like me. 1st time EoSD Lunatic. Rumia ate me.
ATE YOU, HUH?!
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Yes, quite unpleasant as Rumia has a small mouth.
Man that sounds so wrong.
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No it doesn't.
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Yes it does..
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Uh... my brother showed me Imperishable Night on Feb 25th, 2009. I tried it out with 7 lives to begin with, easy mode, border team.... I beat it.... I had no lives and no bombs left. I grew interested and I started playing Touhou regularly on Feb 26th, 2009.
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My first experience with a Touhou game was EoSD on May 24, 2009. Wait a minute...
That was yesterday! Oh man, what a relief. I was starting to feel bad because I can't beat the game on Normal with five lives and all continues.
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My first experience with a Touhou game was EoSD on May 24, 2009. Wait a minute...
That was yesterday! Oh man, what a relief. I was starting to feel bad because I can't beat the game on Normal with five lives and all continues.
heh, sounds like me like a week or two ago. I forget >=P.
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So I started playing PCB normal, just beat this violin boss with 2 other teammates. But I had to quit then because my dog needed out. I am not sure if the game seems easier so far, or if I'm just much better. I notice that bosses so far seem easier than they do in eosd, However they take forever to defeat, spellcards can last up to a minute instead of just 10 seconds, etc.
I feel weirded out about PCB so far though, the menu system and interface graphics are clearly better, but the actual sprite animations and such seem...well.. "clunky". I can't really explain it. Feels like you're playing something programmed in pascal instead of c++ or something. Is it just me? The character art seems a bit weird too. Doesn't seem as good imo.
I'm curious if I'm the only one who felt this way.
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Well ZUN's art is notorious for being pretty bad.
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Well ZUN's art is notorious for being pretty bad.
Didn't strike me as bad in EoSD though >=p.
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Didn't strike me as bad in EoSD though >=p.
I know right? He's a lot better then me at drawing.
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My first game was EoSD (mostly because I figured I should play them in chronological order or something) playing on easy.
It pissed me off because you can't actually finish the game on easy because she's like "lol I'm tired" and goes home.
What a wimp.
Didn't strike me as bad in EoSD though >=p.
Eh, I always thought Sakuya looked kinda weird...
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Eh, I always thought Sakuya looked kinda weird...
yeah she does. But like 90% of the portraits in PCB look weird to me >=P. Heck even the title screen looks a bit strange. The ending scene when you 1cc it looks good though imo.
So I'm trying the extra stage on pcb for the first time today. I keep dying on chen (not all my lives, just 1..but I reset when I do), but I got 1 good attempt on her and proceeded onwards. I died when the pentagrams start shooting at you after they came in the shape of an X.. wasn't their shots that killed me. I just didn't really know tha tI was currently about to be on top of one when it spawned and bam.
I tried Ran for my first time and he doesn't seem as hard as flandre. I didn't do very well, died on..uhh.. I don't remember now lol. I did spellcards called something general gods, something laser, illusion princess..umms. prob another 1 or 2 but not sure. Anyway I felt pretty good for a first attempt. Oh yes, I didn't use a single bomb in the whole run >=).
wish I could just do ran instead of the silly level, blah.
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yeah she does. But like 90% of the portraits in PCB look weird to me >=P. Heck even the title screen looks a bit strange. The ending scene when you 1cc it looks good though imo.
So I'm trying the extra stage on pcb for the first time today. I keep dying on chen (not all my lives, just 1..but I reset when I do), but I got 1 good attempt on her and proceeded onwards. I died when the pentagrams start shooting at you after they came in the shape of an X.. wasn't their shots that killed me. I just didn't really know tha tI was currently about to be on top of one when it spawned and bam.
I tried Ran for my first time and he doesn't seem as hard as flandre. I didn't do very well, died on..uhh.. I don't remember now lol. I did spellcards called something general gods, something laser, illusion princess..umms. prob another 1 or 2 but not sure. Anyway I felt pretty good for a first attempt. Oh yes, I didn't use a single bomb in the whole run >=).
wish I could just do ran instead of the silly level, blah.
Spoilers Ran is a girl.
You probably did Wizard fox thoughts, 12 General Gods, Youkari Fox Laser, Charming seige from all sides and Princess tenko.
Oh yeah using bombs will make you live more.
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yeah I know about bombs. I'm really slack when it comes to using em lol. Generally I don't use them often enough and then I have a huge stockpile of bombs and lives that I abuse to hell on the last 2 or 3 spellcards for a hard boss..
it's just more fun to not rely on bombs imo. and for some reason with pcb, it never ever deathbombs for me, even when I know I did on time. it's so annoying.
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so I've done a decent amount of EOSD, PCB, and IN now. Now I'm working on MoF..
going back to a previous quote I was told that IM or MoF are probably the easiest. But I'm find MoF to be the hardest on normal so far actually. The bombing system I suppose is nice if you know when you get more power but when you don't. it's not really abuseable at all. I frequently find myself unable to replenish the power I used on bombs when I need them. Am I just doing something wrong?
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Yeah I totally suck at MoF. I tried 3 times and still can't even get past level 5 1cc style. After which I gave up and resorted to continues.. I couldn't beat the final boss after like 6 effing continues, how sad is that. I'm gonna look for replays and hope for people who beat her do something that never occured to me. So far I'm just dodging franticly. makes 4 of a kind from flandre look easy.
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Gahleon
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=3482
It's not the best (it was like my second time on Kanako normal) but you could probably get the idea :)
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thanks but I just beat it myself lol. I'll check your replay anyway, I might learn something anyway.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=3483
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Well ZUN's art is notorious for being pretty bad.
I don't think its that bad. Sure i've seen a lot better artwork but i have sure as hell also seen a lot which was worse. I am probably one of the only persons who thinks that ZUN's art is pretty good.
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I don't think its that bad. Sure i've seen a lot better artwork but i have sure as hell also seen a lot which was worse. I am probably one of the only persons who thinks that ZUN's art is pretty good.
It's just bad (or rather... strangely proportioned) by commercial standards.
He definitely has a knack for doing frills, though =D
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Yeah overall it doesn't strike me as bad either.. But the pcb ones still weird me out mostly for some reason. Letty looks like an ogre fairy (is the mod gonna ban me? lol >=P), reimu and marissa really don't look like how they did in esod, it's step backwards imo. Sakuya IS an improvement though. The end game art seemed fine as well. The menu screen shot looks like something from a grade 1 student though.. This is all pcb I speak of btw.
The art in IN and MoF seems fine to me.
PCB has the best music overall imo though. IN music is kinda cool but it's a bit of a letdown that there are no super songs.. I mean songs that really stand out. At least not for me, no un owen was her, or necrofantasia, or anything that absolutely pawns. so far MoF strikes me the same for the music.
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so far MoF strikes me the same for the music.
How can you say that :O
Faith is for the Transient People is an awesome song!
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IN music is kinda cool but it's a bit of a letdown that there are no super songs.. I mean songs that really stand out.
Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke.
Get out.
NOW.
MoF has Stage 3 and 5, as well as the Extra, and Suwa Foughten Field. I dunno, there's no accounting for taste, I guess.
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Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke.
Get out.
NOW.
MoF has Stage 3 and 5, as well as the Extra, and Suwa Foughten Field. I dunno, there's no accounting for taste, I guess.
I like IN music. But none of the songs really make you headbang like U.N. Owen was her, or necrofantasia >=P.
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PCB, easy, all lives, Marisa with laz0rs, 3 or 5 tries, 1cc.
I guess it was it...
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I don't get why people love PCB music that much. There was a few good tracks here and there but all in all I don't think it's THAT much better than any other game.
My first experience? Not being able to beat EASY mode on IN. Come on you can bomb spam easy mode with max lives in stock and pretty much beat the game >.>
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I tried SA for the first time today. had to use a continue by stage 4 already. how sad is that... I told myself "this is sa patchy, nothing wrong". But I couldn't beat oren after 2 continues.. So I gave up, gonna watch a replay or two, see if it helps.. maybe I just picked the wrong character too.
I really hate the whole lose power when you bomb thing though like with MoF. It only promotes stage memorization even more imo, so you know when you can or shouldn't bomb. bleh.
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Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke.
Get out.
NOW.
Let me tell you, in all honesty, none of the Windows Extra Stage boss themes stood like some main game songs IMO.
Only song that did IMO was Grimoire of Alice from MS. And that's a PC-98 game.
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I tried SA for the first time today. had to use a continue by stage 4 already. how sad is that... I told myself "this is sa patchy, nothing wrong". But I couldn't beat oren after 2 continues.. So I gave up, gonna watch a replay or two, see if it helps.. maybe I just picked the wrong character too.
I really hate the whole lose power when you bomb thing though like with MoF. It only promotes stage memorization even more imo, so you know when you can or shouldn't bomb. bleh.
You should use Reimu and Yukari. They are by far the best that game have to offer.
About the music. I would say that almost any Touhou song is either good or very good with but a few exceptions. Maybe it just hits me in my hit-box but i like the vast majority of ZUN's songs. And i like his artwork too which is weird because i'm the kind of person whose standards are around the level of the best available. (I dunno if that came out right...) See, i think FPS games are bad unless they at least are at the level of HL2 and Bioshock. Generally i don't accept anything as just decent. Its either awesome or terrible. For some reason though, anything ZUN-related has struck me with awesomeness. No matter how objectively inferior to other stuff it is.
Okay, enough dragged out explanations of my strange opinions. ;D
Here's something a bit more related to the original topic. I didn't clear MoF Normal before several months of playing Touhou.
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I tried SA for the first time today. had to use a continue by stage 4 already. how sad is that... I told myself "this is sa patchy, nothing wrong". But I couldn't beat oren after 2 continues.. So I gave up, gonna watch a replay or two, see if it helps.. maybe I just picked the wrong character too.
I really hate the whole lose power when you bomb thing though like with MoF. It only promotes stage memorization even more imo, so you know when you can or shouldn't bomb. bleh.
SA is the hardest game out there if you play normal or higher (fucking Orin and terrible shot-types). So don't worry if you believe that you suck at it.
Also, the new bomb system encourages you to bomb MORE, especially during the stages since you can just regain your power from the fairies =/.
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You should use Reimu and Yukari. They are by far the best that game have to offer.
Yeah thanks, I was using marissa and kappa. I would have done marissa and alice but I really really can't play unfocused very well, especially on bosses.
your taste in fps games is vastly different to my own, but I feel like you look for something different in an fps game. I personally thought I did not like fps games for awhile, then I played unreal tournament, which I really enjoyed. I enjoy an fps game that is truly built around multiplayer, and teamwork. Not because it's more realistic or whatever garbage, it's just a part of the game that I enjoy...Counterstrike people would argue is that but I didn't really think so to be honest. Maybe on high level of play with everone you know, but on the learning part it's more about stage memorization, rushing to 1 particular spot pretty much, camping it, and having a match over in like 30 seconds.
HL2 and bioshock are really about immersing yourself in the world and story imo.
I especially liked how ut is very much about survival as well as killing your enemies. In a regular fps you often can't really "dodge" a whole lot so to speak, but in ut your dodging skills play a huge role in how well you play, more than your aiming skills to be honest.
But chances are mos tpeople play fps games to shoot stuff, not to dodge >=P.
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When it comes to action games i want to play something that provides heavy action, a consistent and interesting universe and state of the art sound. And only single player. I don't like people to begin with so it comes as no surprise that i don't like to play with them either. I always consider multiplayer as filler material. Content meant to drain your time. Its an empty waste of time. Boring and non-fun. To add to the misery, people end up finding a vast variety of ways to glitch out the game or something like that. Or use sniper rifles. Cheap sons of bitches.
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The first touhou game I actually played was EoSD, but i knew about touhou long before even playing it, friends showed me lots of PVs and played the games on streams.
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First Touhou is Lotus Land Story, thanks to Bad Apple.
First encounter to Touhou is from hearing Marisa Stole The Precious Thing from O2Jam, and then hearing UN Owen Was Her? and "Death Waltz".
I immediately played on Normal, and I can do it fine, first 1cc is about one or two months later on EoSD.
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The first touhou game I actually played was EoSD, but i knew about touhou long before even playing it, friends showed me lots of PVs and played the games on streams.
lv100 necromancer passing through :derp:
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> Reply #152 on: June 04, 2009, 06:04:57 am
> Reply #153 on: Today at 07:30:35 pm
Hmm... And I was wondering where that smell of rotting flesh thread came from.
My first experience with Touhou was Imperishable Night, shown to me by a friend after school sometime in 2011. One of them set a stopwatch from the beginning of my first game until I exhausted all lives. If I remember correctly, that was no longer than 2 minutes.
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lv100 necromancer passing through :derp:
they have to be if they even brought you back :V
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The first Touhou game I ever played was Imperishable Night, way back at the end of January 2010, almost five years ago. Now, I was playing on a file of my brother's that already had a bunch of things unlocked, and the first thing I did when I started playing was try out Spell Card Practice with spell no. 1, thinking it would probably be on the easy side, and I could get used to the gameplay. Of course, I had no idea that spell no. 1 was Wriggle's midboss spell on the Hard difficulty, and I remember being surprised when I saw the word "Hard" over on the right when the spell started. Still, I think I actually managed to capture the spell! (Unfortunately, I didn't save the replay of that.)
After that, I tried practicing stage 1 on Normal with Yukari solo (remember, this save file already had some stuff unlocked, including being able to play with solo characters), and I did quite well for not knowing how IN's scoring and time orbs and stuff like that worked at the time. I even managed to trigger the Last Spell and capture it. And, I did save the replay of that one: Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=35947) (Yeah, it's quite obvious that I didn't understand many details of IN's scoring and such back then.)
Then, I recall trying to play a full game (I think with Reimu & Yukari) on Normal, and not doing so well. After failing to 1cc Normal several times (though I think I did do well enough to get the normal ending via stage 6A), I tried Easy, and I think I remember 1cc-ing Easy on my first attempt without losing a life! (I forget which route I took at the end, though.)
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