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~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: Hikarin on October 25, 2016, 11:00:01 PM

Title: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on October 25, 2016, 11:00:01 PM
(http://imgur.com/weXMPfk.jpg)

Puzzle & Dragons is an iOS/Android puzzle RPG that plays like a cross between Bejeweled and Pok?mon.  It's completely free to play, but has premium time-savers available through purchasable "magic stones," the game's premium currency (which can also be obtained frequently as rewards in-game), which allow for increased inventory, pulls from a rare egg machine, and more.  If you're patient enough the game gives you enough stones through special events and rewards that you shouldn't need to buy any.  (It's recommended you don't because most things can be obtained/beaten without spending money and some amount of patience and skill.)

You can control monsters from lowly slimes to dragons to ancient gods and even highly-militaristic female stars, like Kuvia (above). They all mostly have different stats and skills, allowing you to customize your team for any number of purposes.

Real talk though, the real reason to get into this game is because everyone else here is playing it and has been playing non-stop for the past 2 and a half years, and probably won't stop for a long time thanks to constant updates to the game and its mechanics, balance changes that never directly nerf anything and are mostly focused on increasing the viability of older monsters, and of course the endless addition of new monsters and collabs that are dished out on a regular basis.

If you're interested, there's a really useful database and game info here:

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/ (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/)


And a useful tool to show other people your monsters here:

https://www.padherder.com/ (https://www.padherder.com/)


A tip for new players: At the end of the tutorial the game will give you one free pull on the rare egg machine.  It's best to "scum" this pull and start over (by uninstalling and reinstalling) until you get something that's really rare (a god).  Great starters include any of the Chinese gods, Amaterasu, Isis, Verdandi, Lu Bu, Bestet, Odin, Kali, Shiva, Amaterasu, Sonia, and the Dragonbounds. Feel free to ask!

If you need more help or just want to discuss the game, we also have a P&D channel on the MotK IRC network in here. Just type your name and go.
For those using IRC clients other than webchat, the channel is #puzzleandlibrarians on irc.ppirc.net.



List of friends + Main Leaders:
Edible: 328,945,274 (BATMAN !*, Bestet*)
hyorinryu: 357,646,299 (Sakuya*, Perseus*)
Suikama: 348,941,282 (Isis*, Ra Dra*)
triangles: 322,456,235 (A. Leilan, LKali)
Chaore: 344,844,286 (Shiva*, Superman)
Yukarin: 394,177,213 (Haku*, Sakuya*)
Jq1790: 396,049,294 (AShiva, AKarin*, Sumire)
Pesco: 328,276,294 (Yomidra*, ROdin*, Xiang Mei)
Dibble: 314,673,283 (Isis, GOdin)
Matsuri: 358,689,277 (Awoken Astaroth*, Awoken Tsukuyomi*, Xiang Mei)
The Greatest Dog: 359,184,275 (Fenrir*, Fenrir*, Raoh*)
Sacchi: 385,394,297 (Horus*, Vishnu*)
rdj: 338,277,280 (AA Lucifer*, Minerva*)
Chirei: 326,404,383 (Leilan*, Alraune*, Skuld*)
commandercool: 312,728,337 (Gabriel*, Sumire*, NepDra*)
Aoshi: 398,822,333 (School!Athena, Sakuya*)
Conqueror: 331,616,320 (DQXQ, I&I)
MoogsParfait: 313,455,268 (Leilan, Waifuterasu*)
Dorakyura: 347,957,300 (Nephthys*)
Bio: 336,681,244 (Sakuya, Athena)
En: 351,629,319 (Lu Bu, Haku)
moekou: 329,066,242 (Osiris*, Pandora)
Espadas: 301,335,377 (Yomidra*, APandora)
Calamity: 331,737,355 (Ronia, Shiva)
Mea: 380,147,382 (Myr*,  APandora*, ASakuya*)
aUsernameIsFineToo: 347,966,337 (A.Bastet*, Kushinadahime*, Godin)
Ruka: 368,034,352 (Sasuke, I&I Healer)
Zengar Zombolt: 309,400,409 (Sylvie*, Sumire*, APandora)
StarlightHawk: 383,095,393 (A.Venus, Skuld*, Wukong*)
qMyon: 320,092,324 (Verdandi, Saria)
Soichirou W.: 323,897,388 (Perseus*, Cauchemar)
Namusan ♡Yomichiyu: 337,315,379 (A. DQXQ*, ShivaDra*, A. Pandora*)
Hikari: 309,703,434 (L/D Pollux*, L/R Pollux*, AI&I)
blrgh: 315,523,406 (Vishnu*, Saria)
O4rfish: 389,956,257 (Ilm*, rMinerva*)

(Asterisk next to leaders means "hypermax" ? max level, max skill level, fully awoken and +297. Glowing leaders have all five latent awakening slots full.)


Topic Archive:


Thread I (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14669.0.html)
Thread II (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15058.0.html)
Thread III (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15370.0.html)
Thread IV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15728.0.html)
Thread V (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16090.0.html)
Thread VI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16209.0.html)
Thread VII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16326.0.html)
Thread VIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16604.0.html)
Thread IX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16767.0.html)
Thread X (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17002.0.html)
Thread XI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17175.0.html)
Thread XII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17337.0.html)
Thread XIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17483.0.html)
Thread XIV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17582.0.html)
Thread XV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17678.0.html)
Thread XVI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17748.0.html)
Thread XVII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17904.0.html)
Thread XVIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18079.0.html)
Thread XIX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18188.0.html)
Thread XX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18335.0.html)
Thread XXI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18505.0.html)
Thread XXII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18624.0.html)
Thread XXIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18773.0.html)
Thread XXIV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18888.0.html)
Thread XXV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18990.0.html)
Thread XXVI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19121.0.html)
Thread XXVII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19208.0.html)
Thread XXVIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19343.0.html)
Thread XXIX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19456.0.html)
Thread XXX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19554.0.html)
Thread XXXI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19703.0.html)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on October 25, 2016, 11:19:10 PM
Before i forget, put an Asterisk on my Skuld. :v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on October 25, 2016, 11:25:04 PM
Done, thank you for your buisness~

By the by, your padherder link is messed up. Delete all the numbers after "/monsters/". Right now it sends you to a page that has everything hidden in the filters.

EDIT: Also, if anyone else needs their information changed, please note that.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on October 26, 2016, 12:07:19 AM
Let"s see...Karin needs to be glowy, and replace Hermes with Sumire.  I basically never lead with the Psychopomp anymore, the poor guy.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 26, 2016, 12:18:32 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/qoGaTR5.jpg)

I think this is the most HP I've ever had. And that's with only three six-stars.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Mеа on October 26, 2016, 12:49:20 AM
I think this is the most HP I've ever had. And that's with only three six-stars.
:o
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 26, 2016, 01:38:55 AM
Do we know when the next skillup rotation is? If it's not immediate does anyone want to farm Wednesday Dungeon with me tomorrow? I need Sitri skillups.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 26, 2016, 01:47:21 AM
I suppose it'd be inaccurate to say I use Zaerogoo still when I, uh, fed him to evolve and +297 Ragnarok at the same time

Then, I guess the leads I have up are Fenrir (+DMeta), Fenrir (+Awoken Susano) and Raoh in my BF slot???
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 26, 2016, 02:18:11 AM
Yeah, I don't use Awoken Ra regularly at the moment. My current lineup is Gabriel*, Sumire, Neptune Dragon*
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on October 26, 2016, 02:38:49 AM
Got it :D

Correct me if I made any mistakes.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 26, 2016, 02:55:44 AM
oh I suppose all my stuff is ~latented~ and ~hypermax~

(Is it weird having two of the same lead up there?)

This Tamazo thing. Is there a practical use for the dood if I own Green Odin, or should I consider the more offensive leader and awoken skills and lower max skill level?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on October 26, 2016, 05:01:14 AM
Requesting update:
aUsernameIsFineToo: 347,966,337 (A.Bastet*, Kushinadahime*, GOdin)

Thanks~!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 26, 2016, 11:16:56 AM
Bargain set egg machine pull:

-Cao Cao

Hey, not bad. Certainly nothing I ever would have picked myself, but I didn't own him, he seems good, and he's from a pantheon I'll almost certainly never be doing pulls on again, so I'll totally take it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on October 26, 2016, 12:36:47 PM
My bargain pull was Sun Quan. Like if I needed more water delays :v I guess his awoken does mix delay with enhance.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on October 26, 2016, 12:38:52 PM
What is this so-called bargain pull?

EDIT:
Requesting update:
aUsernameIsFineToo: 347,966,337 (A.Bastet*, Kushinadahime*, GOdin)

Thanks~!

Got that for you :3
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on October 26, 2016, 12:46:43 PM
What is this so-called bargain pull?
For 5 ameribux you can get 10 stones, 10k pal points and a free pull from a god-only machine.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 26, 2016, 12:49:22 PM
My bargain pull was Sun Quan. Like if I needed more water delays :v I guess his awoken does mix delay with enhance.

Sun Quan is legit as fuck. Definitely not redundant with Orochi. (And he's an extremely handy component of Team Gabriel...)

What is this so-called bargain pull?

It's a one-time-use IAP thing where you can pay $5 for ten stones and a guaranteed gold egg (I believe it's guaranteed to be a pantheon god or godfest exclusive?) that just got reset.

Wasn't sure if I wanted to do it, but hey, I was bored in a waiting room. Marginally worth it I guess.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on October 26, 2016, 12:56:43 PM
I was actually worrying about the orochi redundance since he also gets the multi-TPA treatment :v I guess he fills two tasks with one active which is neat. And he also looks pretty good as a 16x lead that can easily burst for 64x, it seems?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 26, 2016, 01:01:37 PM
Yeah, I do wish they had given Awoken Sun Quan something other than prongs, but honestly even if all of those prongs were just blank slots he would still be great.

His double duty active is extremely handy, and yeah, he's probably a solid lead. Wouldn't necessarily want to stack his active though, especially on a team with slightly weird orb requirements. If you ever want to try leading with him let me know and I can put mine up, or maybe we can co-op.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 26, 2016, 01:31:17 PM
ok fuccbois i am ready to rumble

(http://i.imgur.com/D6fVjDh.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ck5qIRP.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 26, 2016, 03:06:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/f6GDAzu.jpg)

Thanks husbando!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on October 26, 2016, 03:17:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/f6GDAzu.jpg)

Thanks husbando!

Good work ! Also what is that skill inherited onto Snow White ?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 26, 2016, 04:00:06 PM
Good work ! Also what is that skill inherited onto Snow White ?

Thanks.

Max cooldown Ultra Gravity. Needed to break Kali's HP threshold in Arena, and having a long-cooldown skill inherited makes Snow White delay-resistant and therefore very reliable. That's why she's Safety Waifu!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Mеа on October 26, 2016, 09:58:10 PM
> bargain ammy
not sure what I was expecting, but this wasn't it
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Chaore on October 26, 2016, 10:28:20 PM
bargain u&y

why me
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on October 26, 2016, 11:05:44 PM
> bargain ammy
not sure what I was expecting, but this wasn't it

:(

I am too poor for Bargain Set. (Lies, i am actually using money on GBF.) :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2016, 01:23:06 PM
Hmm, an Archangels godfest coming up it seems. Gotta start gathering those stones I guess. I probably won't be able to get too many before then, but I gotta try. And it is a decent number of days out.

Tentatively looks like no 4x or 5x skillups on the way, but I'll have to make do. Can't have all these masks rotating skills before I can feed them.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on October 27, 2016, 04:13:18 PM
Aaaa I did it!  Took every single turn Miru gave me, but I did it!

(http://i.imgur.com/s2Wv24L.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/BP5GhNS.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/6npYCf2.png)

Probably my best achievement to date.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2016, 04:23:22 PM
Aaaa I did it!  Took every single turn Miru gave me, but I did it!

(http://i.imgur.com/s2Wv24L.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/BP5GhNS.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/6npYCf2.png)

Probably my best achievement to date.

Nice! Congratulations, that's a big best achievement! And Sumire is strong for sure but in my experience she's very difficult to use, so that's no small feat by any account.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 27, 2016, 05:27:37 PM
i made a video using mediocre windows movie maker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZeYLq9ZBCg)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on October 27, 2016, 06:36:18 PM
My issue on c7 is no longer floor 1; it's floor 2. My damage and tank ability comes from Hearts, and floor 2 destroys my hearts constantly... floor 1 is easy though because I need only two heart crosses to kill him and he has no converts.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Mеа on October 27, 2016, 09:47:19 PM
huh I just noticed but, the lv10 challenge, is this the first time we see one of the puppeteers in a dungeon?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2016, 09:55:50 PM
Nope. Miiiiight be the first time seeing this particular one, but they've become a staple of C10s and other hard-ish dungeons.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on October 28, 2016, 02:59:07 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/PrQFS0Zl.png)
I believe that's a glow on Sumire, yay!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 28, 2016, 01:15:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZxeQfvT.jpg)

Okay, so I guess I didn't need 4x or 5x skillups after all. I maxed Sitri off of an insane seven feeds (one of which was last week). Uh... Thanks I guess Gungho?

If anyone has a Sitri and wants to try it out let me know and we can co-op.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on October 28, 2016, 06:52:06 PM
I'll do that glow in a few hours, ZZ.

Anyways, I only just noticed that Maeda got an ult. Now he's just Sakuya without a gravity.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 28, 2016, 08:57:33 PM
He's tremendously easier than Kirin to hit x100, though he has questionable utility since it's not like he dispels binds, etc.

People are saying that he's the best general rainbow lead though and I'm like HMMMPH
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Mеа on October 28, 2016, 11:05:28 PM
well finally beat c10, with apanda, she still gets the job done. kind of annoyed that we don't get a stone for all that trouble
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 28, 2016, 11:41:24 PM
The assloads of coins are nice though. I never go out of my way to get coins and I spend them pretty recklessly but stuff like this means I never actually run out.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on October 28, 2016, 11:53:11 PM
You also get TamazOdin who is super cute so that's totally worth.  = D

Next time promises to be much harder IIRC though.  I think next go we get to fight ~radar dragons~ which should be a thing.

On the flip side, that will mean we get radar dragons outside Arena 3, though RIP people who wanted HeraDra or HephDra.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 29, 2016, 12:05:33 AM
What's the clear reward from next time?

If I recall I'm getting Noah Dragon, which is both the easiest(?) and the one I want to drop, so good for me I guess.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on October 29, 2016, 12:06:31 AM
Ugh... i can't even clear C7... let alone those dungeons. ;-;

Need to be less scrub.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on October 29, 2016, 01:12:46 AM
I wanna say next time is ROdin Tamazo but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Pesco on October 29, 2016, 11:12:50 AM
Anyone free to co-op hallowen dungeon for skillups in roughly 14 hours?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on October 29, 2016, 12:32:12 PM
Sure thing ! What are you hunting for ?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on October 29, 2016, 12:46:01 PM
I intended to stall out liberty geist's combo shield
Buuut skyfall decided to give me a popcorn and a second TPA. :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on October 29, 2016, 04:04:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Y64AJ84l.png)
I didn't see that journey to the west would be up today! Lucky.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Pesco on October 29, 2016, 05:43:47 PM
Sure thing ! What are you hunting for ?

Halloween Xiang Mei and Chiyome fodder.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 29, 2016, 07:07:46 PM
get killed you overrated powercreeper waifu thing

(http://i.imgur.com/fpEqoCA.png) (http://i.imgur.com/zp9DRaw.png) (http://i.imgur.com/jOuIsKA.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/WyIIHU6.png) (http://i.imgur.com/euQKQoM.png) (http://i.imgur.com/In1Ghxa.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/zSkLvRC.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on October 29, 2016, 08:37:54 PM
Yeah, that looks about right.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 29, 2016, 11:38:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/qHGcAkv.jpg)

THIS IS A THREE COMBO. A THREEEE COMBOOOO!

It would be even more if Hikari's Sitri was fully awakened.

I was talking about Sitri being hard to use earlier but. Uh. Yeah.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on October 30, 2016, 03:24:47 PM
Yeah I'm going to try and make it to TAMA infestation later today. And then I have to do skillups later...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 30, 2016, 03:37:25 PM
Yeah I'm going to try and make it to TAMA infestation later today. And then I have to do skillups later...

I can help you with whatever her skillup material ends up being (there's probably a rotation imminent, right?) if I don't have anything else going on that day. Now that we're BFs it's definitely in my best interest for you to have a hypermax Sitri.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on October 30, 2016, 05:52:46 PM
I think I'll have to take you up on that offer later this week. Also, I finished Sitri's awakenings, so have at it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on October 31, 2016, 04:15:48 AM
Dunno how you guys are doing the challenges. I'm just looking at all the number and everything looks crazy. I feel like I'm stuck in several months ago, when 9 mill health Lifive was annoying.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 31, 2016, 04:51:19 AM
Dunno how you guys are doing the challenges. I'm just looking at all the number and everything looks crazy. I feel like I'm stuck in several months ago, when 9 mill health Lifive was annoying.

Which ones are you stuck on? Nine has that 6* gimmick that kind of forces you to get creative with weird subs to pump your stats up, and ten is all stuff we've seen before except that (admittedly scary) Shieldra floor. They're definitely tricky, this isn't an easy set of challenges.

Out of curiosity, what teams are you trying?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 31, 2016, 09:33:05 AM
Rounded up enough stones for two pulls, gotta try just for the outside chance I pull that second Gabriel:

-Dupe Cerberus Rider (dirty dupe troll gold)
-commandercool has a heart attack and dies

(http://i.imgur.com/hhhfiTA.jpg)

SOON HUSBANDO WILL BE PERFECT.

What a great way to start my week.

Edit:
(http://i.imgur.com/JVakGdO.jpg)

Just gotta go skill him up again even though to my knowledge there's literally no reason why it should ever matter.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on October 31, 2016, 11:07:30 AM
light wee jas
sitri
savarsti
seems good

with wee jas i think my awoken kush team is pretty dope
a.kush/balboa/baldin/weejas/ragdrag/a.kush
but im also thinking tamazodin could be a better option than wee jas =/ maybe if i had wood weejas it would be better
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 31, 2016, 11:15:44 AM
Aten isn't in NA yet, but I had to roll one time anyways, right?

(http://imgur.com/1i83AQf.jpg)

I have regrets.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on October 31, 2016, 12:50:23 PM
-Mike n?3
-Sumire n?2
-Grodin n?3 (sold)
-Wukong  (new)
-Light Wee Jas (new)
-Krishna (new)
That's actually pretty good value. Wondering what to do with my extra mike tho.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on October 31, 2016, 12:52:28 PM
-Kopis
-Dark Sirius

Today is really not my day.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 31, 2016, 01:15:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/10cGZuO.jpg)

"fuck yes my badass has reached unprecedented levels"
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on October 31, 2016, 01:43:52 PM
>Alnair+sanooder buffs from rolls
LET'S GO
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 31, 2016, 02:17:36 PM
That revo Ra... RaDra still shits all over him of course, but I'm still excited for him.

And assuming NepDra follows the RaDra pattern of 1.5x all stats for god type and one extra awakening then goddamn. Although that leaves OdinDra kind of fucked if so.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 31, 2016, 02:22:50 PM
That revo Ra... RaDra still shits all over him of course, but I'm still excited for him.

And assuming NepDra follows the RaDra pattern of 1.5x all stats for god type and one extra awakening then goddamn. Although that leaves OdinDra kind of fucked if so.

Clearly, Ragnarok Dragon will receive an additional ultimate instead.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on October 31, 2016, 02:32:14 PM
You say this like there is any saving OdinDra.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 31, 2016, 02:41:08 PM
Odindora has... Other uses. Legitimate uses! But I don't think it needs a buff to do what it's already doing.

By the by, seeing how all these "Double Dragon" and "Double Devil" killers are being thrown about, my dream of Fenrir having double God Killer is one step closer to reality.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 31, 2016, 02:54:50 PM
Moving goalposts. Demand that triple God Killer.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on October 31, 2016, 03:11:50 PM
Or go the extra mile and campaign for the strongest awakening, Waifu Killer.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on October 31, 2016, 03:41:11 PM
Whew, I'll just have to keep Prettiest Girl Sitri indoors while the dog is loose and I'll be safe then.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Thaws on October 31, 2016, 06:12:26 PM
dat heroine rem
Seems like good investment for inherits?
Also 7x6 board LS spam already
Was hoping aten can be unique but nope
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on October 31, 2016, 10:41:49 PM
I didn't roll during the GodFest today, but I did roll the Halloween REM again (because I'm stupid) and guess what I got?

Sopdet. I think that makes 6 sold.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 01, 2016, 01:24:23 PM
Alright so the skill rotation is a few weeks from now, but it rotates Sitri to the blue fruit, which is much more annoying to deal with. So Hikari, we should probably farm you some blue masks tomorrow and next Wednesday if you're available. And of course if you can find someone who actually needs masks to co-op with that would be preferable, but I'm available if you don't.

Sopdet. I think that makes 6 sold.

I did like 15-20 pulls last year trying to get one and never did. Got a Halloween Kali in the process, but never a Sopdet.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 01, 2016, 01:34:59 PM
That sounds like a plan. Again though I have no farm team, so...

TBH I clear it with my Pollux team consistently :V

I'll get on IRC tomorrow.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Mеа on November 01, 2016, 09:50:38 PM
Pulled once just for the heck of it and got a lumiel. What the heck does one even do with a lumiel.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on November 01, 2016, 09:52:24 PM
PreDra Killer, sub for the nea and improved Durga, cuteness.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 01, 2016, 10:34:30 PM
Pulled once just for the heck of it and got a lumiel. What the heck does one even do with a lumiel.

Farm team and hope Durga becomes non-terrible some day?

Edit: Honestly probably a really legit inherit though if your team has at least two ways to fix the board.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 01, 2016, 10:40:11 PM
A blue team can inherit Lumiel and follow up with Sitri for BIG BLUE boards. But you know.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 02, 2016, 01:03:13 AM
I like how Mito is basically Green LMeta with a different look to basically say "yeah we've forever given up on making Metatron worthwhile have a new girl instead".

Revo Venus is fucking GORGEOUS though.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on November 02, 2016, 01:05:25 AM
How can you give up on something you didn't even try for real ?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 02, 2016, 01:05:59 AM
tru
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Thaws on November 02, 2016, 01:31:10 AM
Brought this up on IRC yesterday but yeah they have settings for all these new chars. l o l
Dunno if anyone else translated them but here they are  :V

Character settings from the stream:
Shina: Sonia's younger sis
Mito: Metatron's younger sis
Momiji: Kaede's younger sis
Cuvia: Scheat's older sis
Mel: Dantalion's 影人形 (lit. Shadow Doll)  ??? ??? ???
Meridionalis: Australis's younger sis
Elgenubi: Escha's older sis
Navi: Sherias' child
Barbara: She made Baldin
Romia: Adopted child of Zuoh
Ilumina: イルムのなりそこない (lit. Failed to become Ilm) ??? ??? ???

How come a failure of Ilm is so OP tho :v triple killers, 7x6 board with easy activation, good active  :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 02, 2016, 01:43:05 AM
Wait what are these upcoming cards? All of those sound like they'd be really appealing as useable cards :3

But alas, I can almost sense that the response to this is "no."
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 02, 2016, 01:44:39 AM
I actually really like Momiji and Romia, though I'm still resenting how lazy they've become with character concept design. I can't help but appreciate good art regardless, though.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 02, 2016, 01:46:19 AM
Wait what are these upcoming cards? All of those sound like they'd be really appealing as useable cards :3

But alas, I can almost sense that the response to this is "no."

http://puzzledragonx.com/en/news.asp?nid=594
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 02, 2016, 02:25:55 AM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

I need to mentally prepare for the stone farming that I'll be doing after the Halloween event wraps up. More than a few of those look really good. Also Meridionalis. And Elgenubi. And Kuvia. I need to expand my Mech God collection with them :o :o :o :o

Definitely not obsessed.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on November 02, 2016, 02:32:29 AM
Oh good what did they do with my Venus ?!?

Her art looks so weird now... and the LS is soo situational now... and i just Max Skilled her...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 02, 2016, 02:50:55 AM
Well you don't HAVE to reincarnate her, soo...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 02, 2016, 10:35:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/y1od6In.jpg)

Ultimate husbando perfection achieved.

Also, can I get a * on my Sumire in the first post please?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 04, 2016, 05:11:43 AM
Decided to finally take a shot at Arena 2 after putting it off forever.

I didn't clear it, but now I know for sure that I can. Got to Kali and died to her opening attack because I got an unfortunate series of skyfalls against DQ Hera and knocked her down to her kill zone a few turns earlier than intended. I shouldn't have bothered to use Charite on her, and if I hadn't I probably would have won. Oh well, I think a few more tries should do me. There are definitely bad spawns that could be a problem, especially back to back, but for the most part I think Arena 2 is reasonably manageable with Gabriel. It just, as always, take a while.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Thaws on November 04, 2016, 07:02:33 AM
Decided to finally take a shot at Arena 2 after putting it off forever.

I didn't clear it, but now I know for sure that I can. Got to Kali and died to her opening attack because I got an unfortunate series of skyfalls against DQ Hera and knocked her down to her kill zone a few turns earlier than intended. I shouldn't have bothered to use Charite on her, and if I hadn't I probably would have won. Oh well, I think a few more tries should do me. There are definitely bad spawns that could be a problem, especially back to back, but for the most part I think Arena 2 is reasonably manageable with Gabriel. It just, as always, take a while.

Good luck there! I just started attempting arena 2 with awoken catte too. Seems like we have similar goals :V (first special dungeons now this)
Got pretty close (got to kali twice now, one of the runs dying to her under 5% attack)

It'll probably be even easier when you guys get the Maniac mission badges, but yea I remember Arena 2 seeming so impossible back when it was out but the game's inflated a lot since then, huh.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 04, 2016, 01:07:43 PM
What I really need is fuuuucking ultimate Alrescha. All the other colors get their ultimate constellations, but no Alrescha ever apparently. No question, I definitely would have won with an extra God Killer. Oh well, I'll get there.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on November 04, 2016, 01:16:18 PM
What I really need is fuuuucking ultimate Alrescha. All the other colors get their ultimate constellations, but no Alrescha ever apparently. No question, I definitely would have won with an extra God Killer. Oh well, I'll get there.

^^^ This, i feel ya buddy.

Also Sub Alrescha loses Smile. :(
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 04, 2016, 09:29:27 PM
This took me far far too many tries.  Ugh.  (Kept messing up the 6c at the end)

(http://i.imgur.com/vtDfl7S.png)

Descended Challenge Infinity/Water Main Att Prohibited all-clear!  Amazing how hard stuff gets when playing teams one isn't used to or ones with few plusses.

EDIT: All stages, minus Heroes(2*AFreyja for leads)
http://imgur.com/a/WWApf
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 06, 2016, 12:26:19 PM
One final roll (roll number 14)
>Mulan

Why do I even try.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 06, 2016, 03:13:37 PM
Rolled once more for I dont even know what reason and all I got was Misery.  I'll keep her but wow I have no use for you.  Neat art so I guess it's ok and maybe I can do something stupid with her 3500 autoheal.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 06, 2016, 04:44:02 PM
Yeah, I look at Misery and instantly want to make a crazy turbo-autoheal team with Michael and Grodin on there too. But Misery just isn't really a suitable lead as far as I can tell. That team would have awful utility, consistency, and survivability, even if it would be hilarious.

Hanging onto my Misery just for cool art and the hopes that she ends up being a relevant sub some day.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 06, 2016, 05:43:45 PM
Typhon!Ana is kinda fun
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 06, 2016, 05:45:38 PM
Typhon!Ana is kinda fun
The power of heartcross compels you!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 06, 2016, 07:58:36 PM
Notably, if one can skill her Misery skills down to 5 turns, a decent CD for inheritance.  I might look into if I can exploit that sometime for sub applications.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 07, 2016, 01:01:39 AM
I did a halloween pull after clearing the whole Descended Challenge with Ana. Parvati Get.

Don't really play anymore and don't have much reason to use her, but she's a cute at least
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 07, 2016, 02:58:38 AM
And now I'm back to saving stones for Heroine REM. Hopefully that gets me better than 2 golds in 14 rolls.
Hopefully that gets me a Meridionalis.
And a Kuvia.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 07, 2016, 01:43:46 PM
Is... PDX reporting correctly that C9 and C10 are the same except 9 is harder because it has a fixed team? That seems really odd.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 07, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Is... PDX reporting correctly that C9 and C10 are the same except 9 is harder because it has a fixed team? That seems really odd.
This is exactly the case it seems! And apparently the next one will be like that as well, putting you with an awoken okuni team.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 07, 2016, 03:14:06 PM
I'm guessing these are like how certain Granblue Fantasy special missions are where they're intended to be some kinda showcase or something to entice people to try for whoever is featured.

I don't like rainbow leads so lv 9 is probably gonna be annoying, especially when I was planning to slightly slow down on PAD for a while to give my videogame backlog some attention...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 07, 2016, 03:26:40 PM
I'm guessing these are like how certain Granblue Fantasy special missions are where they're intended to be some kinda showcase or something to entice people to try for whoever is featured.

I don't like rainbow leads so lv 9 is probably gonna be annoying, especially when I was planning to slightly slow down on PAD for a while to give my videogame backlog some attention...
At least cooping it is a sound choice if you want to cut yourself some slack! Plus the team, even if not too optimized in paper, is built around dealing with the dungeon specifically (just as the yang guifei team of last time had answers for every enemy).
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 07, 2016, 03:44:29 PM
Sherias Roots is actually pretty solid and the team they give you has an answer for pretty much anything in the dungeon

You just need Green Odin TAMADRA not to bind anyone important :V

Uh yeah Sherias Roots God Killer means the first floor should be trivial. His true damage active means you can kill one predra, and the RCV boost means you can potentially kill the second predra through 1 hits alone. Potentially. You might have to use a second Roots eventually.

Zeus and Hera aren't bad? But they'll bind Kanna as their warning shot, who you need to kill Genbu on the next floor. A full leader activation plus a light TPA (could) kill Genbu but I used Kanna's enhance to be sure.

Lifive is a god, wreck his face. Here's hoping you have a Roots ready because Beelzebub preemptive ;)

Then Nordis is there just for getting past Kali's "you ded" phase.

Yeah C9 ain't bad but you know
RNG
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 07, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Just happened to notice PredDras up while I was on my lunch break. That's two of them pretty close together. Couldn't co-op because I was at work. Oh well.

Back up to 300k MP, but I think I'll be earmarking that for eventual Evangelion collab revival in case there's something cool up in the MP store from that. Might be a loooong time, but that's fine I guess.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 07, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
Is... PDX reporting correctly that C9 and C10 are the same except 9 is harder because it has a fixed team? That seems really odd.

9 is NOT harder. That is a team specifically built to answer everything in the dungeon. 10 is harder if you haven't built up cards that work better.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 07, 2016, 07:58:46 PM
My first c9 attempt ended super quickly as one of the roots got bound and the next turn it got bound again ;;
E:
(https://i.imgur.com/jb55jH4l.png)
This came after me somehow getting Beelze to about 5% left forcing me to use both Roots in a row. Thankfully the field was left good enough to Nordis -> Kanna to leave me on survivable grounds. That and Susanoo making the stall a bit less dangerous.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 07, 2016, 08:38:41 PM
"Harder for those who dont run rainbow" is probably a better description.  It's like the most recent fixed ranking turned serious because everything can easily kill you if you aren't ready for it etc.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Thaws on November 08, 2016, 08:11:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/QUIC8Jn.png)(http://i.imgur.com/bzBHHSx.png)

ZuohCatte conquering space!
Cleared "5x4" Endless *rollseyes*
Well it actually took quite a number of tries as I had to get used to the leader skills and 7x6 board and everything.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Pesco on November 08, 2016, 09:00:20 AM
Kanna, who you need to kill Genbu on the next floor.

This and GIT GUD would have gotten me my clear on the first go.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 08, 2016, 12:50:28 PM
Well it sure happened. 5 row sanooder.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 08, 2016, 01:03:42 PM
Well it sure happened. 5 row sanooder.

2 SB 3 TPA Markab

 :o
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 08, 2016, 01:27:21 PM
2 SB 3 TPA Markab

 :o
Meanwhile Alnair just got the Diadem treatment of 3rd row and 2nd SB. Not bad, sure, but would have liked seeing something more unique. It kind of takes away the interest of these "roll to buff" events. Why not do one roll and give the whole pantheon/series their equivalent buffs?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 08, 2016, 01:56:08 PM
Meanwhile Alnair just got the Diadem treatment of 3rd row and 2nd SB. Not bad, sure, but would have liked seeing something more unique. It kind of takes away the interest of these "roll to buff" events. Why not do one roll and give the whole pantheon/series their equivalent buffs?

because that assumes GH is run by mentally sound people
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 08, 2016, 01:58:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/BraVjG2.jpg)

Well that's something.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 08, 2016, 02:24:10 PM
Meanwhile Alnair just got the Diadem treatment of 3rd row and 2nd SB. Not bad, sure, but would have liked seeing something more unique. It kind of takes away the interest of these "roll to buff" events. Why not do one roll and give the whole pantheon/series their equivalent buffs?

That would be much more preferable to me, a person who is driven crazy by lack of symmetry. But even that seems kind of silly. I would rather they just buff stuff that needs to be buffed. Something like this for like, a new cosmetic art evolution would be better in my opinion. Especially if the art was super goofy and/or cool.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on November 08, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
Hey CCool

(https://images-1.discordapp.net/.eJwtyMENwyAMAMBd-BeMiWmTNTpAhQiCSAmOsPOqunv76O90b3ON3SymqZ6yOLduknmsVpRHqsVW5rqXdG5iMx8uqabcjtJVHE5EFABp_iHeMeC_AiIGwkiAk3vmUUqXxvpC8NF7eNxgRghoz17N5wu8KCcn.3qRmULRzs3hXiGRil0GThAKmPLQ)


LOOK AT THEM GABRIELS !

Also two Andros too lol.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 08, 2016, 02:53:27 PM
Rank 159, 447 monsters with tons of duplicate golds. Whale?

All sorts of stuff I don't own but would love to in there.

But yeah, I would three Gabriels if I could. Any less than ten is technically not enough. Because you know I want to clear as much stuff as possible with Gabriel/Gabriel/Gabriel/Gabriel/Gabriel/Gabriel.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Chaore on November 08, 2016, 04:19:29 PM
ultra dill now exists, i have 0 regrets, this was the only path

so as i pray

unlimited sirius works
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 08, 2016, 05:50:58 PM
Loving the new format for the challenge rewards. Five guaranteed Bubpiis? Yes plz. Will this be a permanent change going forward?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 08, 2016, 07:38:10 PM
GDI. With all of that, I couldn't match a single set of hearts.
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Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 09, 2016, 02:02:14 AM
Loving the new format for the challenge rewards. Five guaranteed Bubpiis? Yes plz. Will this be a permanent change going forward?

It is a regular occurrence but it's not permanent change.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 09, 2016, 03:04:10 AM
It is a regular occurrence but it's not permanent change.

Good enough! It'll just take a few of these to put me back on top, Bubpii-wise.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 09, 2016, 05:03:32 PM
Okay, so I seriously can't beat C9. How is this even supposed to work? All of my runs have been going like this:

Floor 1: Sweep OR get one of my leads bound, kill one Tama with a Sherias, then chip the other and stall up on TamadRa

Floor 2: Kill both with Sherias, either immediately or a few turns in if stalling works out

Floor 3: Stall as much as possible, kill when I have to

Floor 4: Kill with Kanna, sometimes also requires a Sherias

Floor 5: Take most of the way down first turn, finish off second turn

Floor 6: Use Sherias and kill

Floor 7: I'll have always used either both Sherias or Sakuya by this point, so I need to use either both gravities or Sherias plus Nordis to get below HP thresshold. Need to stall 2-3 turns to get the other Sherias back up or get a good board, invariably run out of hearts while stalling and die

I've attempted this probably ten times at this point. I've gotten to Kali like seven or eight of those times and have died on her every single time because I'm just out of resources by then. Am I using something I don't need to at some point? This seems like such RNG horseshit of just whether you always get perfect boards or not, and I have yet to always get perfect boards. What am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 09, 2016, 05:22:15 PM
First floor, pray a Sherias isn't bound, them kill them skilllessly.  Next floor either pop both Sherias ir one and stall the second one down.  Use z&H to stall back up if you can and that's as far asI have clear strategy for.  Havent poked it enough yet
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Pesco on November 09, 2016, 05:41:30 PM
Wanna co-op c9 and c10?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 09, 2016, 06:04:05 PM
Honestly? Kind of. I sort of feel like this is just RNG at this point so unless someone can point me to a specific thing I'm doing wrong I'm kind of tired of this.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 09, 2016, 07:08:58 PM
Have you been using Susano? He can facilite stalling in many situations. You can aim to wait until the one roots you used to kill the first predra is back up if hearts permit, for example. Or to wait after dealing with the first turn of Kali (It's possible that you can get away with that without needing a roots active, only with kanna).
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 09, 2016, 07:14:29 PM
Yeah, he always gets used at some point.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 09, 2016, 11:42:36 PM
kali hit me with this weird status, was it supposed to do something to me

(http://i.imgur.com/riTDi7P.png) (http://i.imgur.com/1Nj6kTD.png) (http://i.imgur.com/cxWN48E.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 10, 2016, 02:33:19 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/8Url5mWl.png)
:sword!:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 10, 2016, 04:57:20 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/zrg2dsd.jpg)

Get jammed upon.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 10, 2016, 03:53:26 PM
So it turns out AJ+Sarasvati with Justice Mode and four blue prongs hit for *just* under enough to one-shot PredDras. Good to know...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 11, 2016, 12:24:30 AM
(http://imgur.com/O4DJHtU.png)

Free Heroine REM monster for JP.
I'm happy with what I got.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 11, 2016, 03:07:56 AM
Dang, not bad for the freebie!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 11, 2016, 11:59:56 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/gTqL6UZ.jpg)

Yes.

YEEEEEEES!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on November 11, 2016, 12:07:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gTqL6UZ.jpg)

Yes.

YEEEEEEES!

(http://i.imgur.com/egj2XeA.jpg)

High five bro !

Where is the smile tho ? :(
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Mеа on November 11, 2016, 01:25:59 PM
hey apparently we have a 10-stone pull for guaranteed gfe coming up in a couple hours today. woo? I'll probably try it at least once.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 11, 2016, 02:05:06 PM
I don't think I'll roll that one :V
I don't want half of the stuff in there at all. Not interested in Odins, Metas, Sonias (-Blonia) Norns (-Skuld), Dragonbounds (-Ryune), Kalis, Sitri or Australis. And if it costs two rolls worth of stones, that doesn't sound like a nice gamble. I'll just save for Heroine REM.

Also, how does Khepri's leader skill look? It sounds like it could be really good, but it also sounds like it'll die quickly in any dungeon with jammers.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 11, 2016, 06:05:34 PM
alright, I've got extra spending money let's do this

2 Sitri
Sumire
Green Odin

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
let's just add more Sitri to Sitri
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 11, 2016, 06:21:02 PM
Something something one roll, something something dupe satsuki.
What do people use her for?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Mеа on November 11, 2016, 06:30:40 PM
Ilm and tsubaki. Not amazing but I'll take it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 11, 2016, 06:35:06 PM
Alright, can only do one pull. Probably gonna get a Ronia or a Godin, but whatevs.

-Skuld

OH SHIT!

I... I think I have all of the blue 6* GFEs now? Badass! Thanks PAD!

alright, I've got extra spending money let's do this

2 Sitri
Sumire
Green Odin

ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
let's just add more Sitri to Sitri

Blue devils are rare... So just use more Prettiest Girl Sitris! :D

Something something one roll, something something dupe satsuki.
What do people use her for?

I have two as well and I kept them, seems like black prongs could use two hard-hitting orbchangers. As for specific teams? No idea.

Edit: Hey jq, are you going to be around and interested in taking more shots at C10 today?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 11, 2016, 07:21:03 PM
Later I will be.  Try tonight.  Gonna be splitting stam between that and helping someone skill a shiny new Gremory.

As for me, Zuoh number like 4, promptly turned to dust.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 11, 2016, 07:39:16 PM
We can just do it another day if you'll be busy. No problem. I can busy myself with Kephri and getting my AUmiYama set up.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on November 11, 2016, 08:28:47 PM
Oh hey I have a Ronove now!

He seems like a good situational sub, so I'm quite satisfied with this result.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Monarda on November 11, 2016, 08:55:08 PM
Got a Kanna, i guess it's good ?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 11, 2016, 09:26:48 PM
Kanna is probably the most damaging Fenrir sub so ;)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 11, 2016, 10:25:19 PM
Seems legit Heroine REM is also 10 stones per roll.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 11, 2016, 10:39:54 PM
Kanna is also part of the ideal Radra team for what it's worth, too :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Thaws on November 11, 2016, 11:57:03 PM
Oh hey I have a Ronove now!

He seems like a good situational sub, so I'm quite satisfied with this result.

Ronove is actually pretty legit as a lead.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 12, 2016, 12:54:18 AM
Been playing around with AUmiYama a bit. They're never not going to be a 1/whatever/1 of course which is limiting, but man, that's a niiiice easy 400x after their active. Loaded up with prongs, decent utility... Not bad. Not bad at all. I finally have a nice brutal spike team to chew up ranking dungeons and some endgame content, and they should be monstrous in co-op. I honestly didn't expect getting a full activation out of them to be super easy, but with their active it kind of is.

Right now I'm using AUmiYama/Famiel/Orochi/AIsis/Alrescha/AUmiYama, with an ASusano active on Isis. Not sure if I want to swap one of the defensive actives out for something like Black Kali or AYomi, but it's seeming pretty solid so far. If the Famiel buff was out I feel like this would handle the current C10 quite nicely.

Edit:
(http://i.imgur.com/67VjsN7.jpg)

These are genuinely not implausible numbers with an active. I was able to fairly easily hit this on turns one and two with just whatever was around.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Pesco on November 12, 2016, 01:19:20 AM
I have 2 bad dogs. Send help.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Mеа on November 12, 2016, 01:22:20 AM
well by god get rid of one so you don't get any more
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 12, 2016, 02:19:20 AM
been playing a little more because ana is pretty okay

bought the special stone offer or whatever

-maeda keiji

10 stone pulls
- dmeta
- satsuki

yay dupes
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on November 12, 2016, 02:26:23 AM
Stream rewards (http://puzzleanddragons.us/twitch-giveaways/), open until the end of the day.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 12, 2016, 03:30:25 AM
I have 2 bad dogs. Send help.
But can I send jam?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: Pesco on November 12, 2016, 03:33:24 AM
But can I send jam?

Please precede with slam.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 12, 2016, 05:05:15 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/NEECyI8.jpg)

Dang, this was pretty intense. But really fun. Cut it down to the absolute wire on M+. Good dungeon.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 12, 2016, 05:27:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Y7mmLg9l.png)
I cut it really close on the third floor because 80% SBR = 0%. M+ should be much easier with a real team.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Halloween Thriller Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 12, 2016, 07:09:31 AM
been playing a little more because ana is pretty okay

bought the special stone offer or whatever

-maeda keiji

10 stone pulls
- dmeta
- satsuki

yay dupes

is it bad that keiji might be worth more than those two right now
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 12, 2016, 07:37:40 AM
yes

dmeta and satsuki are not only dupes, but also obsolete

and of course the metatrons, despite constant tweaking, are never going to be truly viable so
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 12, 2016, 07:13:27 PM
Spur of the moment one-stone for the kill :V
I can probably clear it without stoning if I try it again.
Well, at least I got Khepri.
[attach=1]
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 12, 2016, 08:11:39 PM
Not unexpectedly, Sarasvati can easily handle having no time extensions and no awakenings while also carrying a dead sub

(http://i.imgur.com/iOw0xKl.jpg)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 12, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
Rolled Heroine REM again and got Meridionalis. It seems my luck is strong on JP. Much stronger than NA, in any case.

I just need to hope that my luck will transfer when Heroine REM hits NA.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 14, 2016, 06:36:59 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/4435etA.jpg)

dumb dungeon tbh
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2016, 03:40:24 PM
Whoah, this one-shot challenge does not fuck around. I assumed there would be, like... Other floors.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVwp328Nmps
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 14, 2016, 05:35:14 PM
holy fuck what happened to pdx

how utterly atrociously slow
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 14, 2016, 07:05:55 PM
Whoah, this one-shot challenge does not fuck around. I assumed there would be, like... Other floors.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVwp328Nmps
Nope.  Welcome to death.

(There is a reason Im skipping this one other than the prizes being of utterly zero value to me...)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 14, 2016, 08:55:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lXHKPNUl.png)
Why bother tanking when you can snipe from half health
E: Alt title: fuck you and the ark you rode on (it was noahdra)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: KaiserKnuckle on November 14, 2016, 10:48:51 PM
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/2z4fn1u.jpg)

fuck you, you egyptian salt shaker, eat double perseus

Medj was one of my main goals for a new leader; medjebeam sounds super good for a leader skill even without Osiris, any recommendations in relation for that?

(Also, of hikari or any passing mod could you add an asterisk on my Perseus slot in the main post? I hypermaxed him a while back)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 14, 2016, 11:27:20 PM
If you have Perseus, he's waaay better to lead with than Medje in many situations; if you get hit by enemies that do over half your health eventually Medjedra's LS will become useless, which will more than likely seal your fate.  Medjedra can totally sub on Perseus' team though.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 14, 2016, 11:52:54 PM
I'll star that Perseus for you.

Also, this One-Shot Challenge is dumb.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 15, 2016, 04:46:38 AM
Besieged by husbando

(http://i.imgur.com/KbpusmY.jpg)

Can you prevail?

(http://i.imgur.com/sWUOTmc.jpg)

NO. YOU CAN'T.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 15, 2016, 10:50:34 AM
holy fuck what happened to pdx

how utterly atrociously slow

(http://i.imgur.com/9uy3VwU.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 16, 2016, 01:36:06 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/8Hla6Vi.jpg)

I like these boys.

(http://i.imgur.com/DgMowuk.jpg)

These are some good boys.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2016, 03:29:11 AM
Does anyone use Deightros? Every time I look at him and pals I realize how fucking good they seem. Not like, top tier obviously, but seems like a really solid gimmick team.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 17, 2016, 04:03:40 AM
I have never heard of anyone using him.  I imagine Chirei will probably use one of the component dragons though for something just because that seems like something he'd do.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2016, 12:46:01 PM
Is there any other way to get one of those extra latent slot monsters? I saved a spare +297 for one so I could make husbando even more perfecter, but I'm not really that close to any of the quest rewards (800-something awakenings, 35 hypermaxes, no crowns). Guess I got projects to work on...

Let's see what's in these egg machines.

Rank 150: Lakshmi (!!!!)

Rank 250: Osiris

Daaaang PAD! Givin' me so many more projects to work on! Lakshmi is a blue card I didn't own, so instant hypermax there and she's very good beyond that, and I've always thought Osiris was cool and will want him for sure when he gets a new form. Nice!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 17, 2016, 01:08:34 PM
150 roll: Yomi! I'll take it.
250 roll: LKali. Bleeeeh. Get outta here.

So many blue snowglobes
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 17, 2016, 01:12:59 PM
150: Ceres(ooh!  I've wanted her for a long time now because I like all three RGB Awoken Greeks.  Just need Minerva now.)
250: Nephthys(ok I guess and not a dupe but...I have no use for you.)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2016, 01:15:27 PM
150 roll: Yomi! I'll take it.

Ooh! Any merit in running her on Dog you think?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 17, 2016, 01:19:38 PM
150: Ceres. New and green, might use someday?
250: Gadius. Go away, I already had two of you!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 17, 2016, 01:47:05 PM
Let's level up

(http://i.imgur.com/sfiL5LB.png) (http://i.imgur.com/h6MoXcR.png) (http://i.imgur.com/rigRpeT.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 17, 2016, 01:56:53 PM
150: Thor dupe number 109739
250: Sun Quan dupe

into the trash with both of you
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on November 17, 2016, 02:41:59 PM
oh hey i got a turtle
(http://jcz95.dynu.com/img/n70O1IfcDAaVsSCw.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 17, 2016, 05:31:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pDwp8f3l.png)
We did it, boys!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2016, 05:55:47 PM
So is... Is red good now? Because Krishna seems *fucking insane*. I know just a few scattered good cards doesn't make a color, but goddamn...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 17, 2016, 06:35:23 PM
Right, now that Super Uvo Vishnu is out I may consider coming back to the game. Assuming my team of Vishnu/Triple Dong Liu Bei/GZL/Osiris/A.Meimei isn't terrible for it.

Which brings me to the question of: is it terrible for it? Cause the only things I could replace stuff with is more A.Meimeis.

@Edit:
150 Roll: Yomi dupe
250 Roll: Satsuki

Game's trying to get me to go dark. I refuse.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on November 17, 2016, 08:26:54 PM
artemis and dandi from rolls

artemis is not jojo man but hey, finally a non hermes g2.0

dandi is going to get shadow of the colossus'd brb

So is... Is red good now? Because Krishna seems *fucking insane*. I know just a few scattered good cards doesn't make a color, but goddamn...

....no? krishna is a good lead but honestly not hugely better than an xmei team that's properly run, incredibly fucking greedy for orbs, and overall just a bandaid to people who don't want to use shitmei

he'll clear content better than Re:Shiva due to having an actual hp pool but he's barely scrapping the minimum in the end honestly and Re:Shiva is probably easier to use and maintain than krishna

red is still a garbage color.

edit: also yeah, almost any color probably has a lead better than krishna to boot honestly.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2016, 09:18:43 PM
....no? krishna is a good lead but honestly not hugely better than an xmei team that's properly run, incredibly fucking greedy for orbs, and overall just a bandaid to people who don't want to use shitmei

he'll clear content better than Re:Shiva due to having an actual hp pool but he's barely scrapping the minimum in the end honestly and Re:Shiva is probably easier to use and maintain than krishna

red is still a garbage color.

As someone who plays stall teams a lot and has messed around a fair amount with Sarasvati+stall lead setups, being greedy matters a LOT less when you can just still your skills back up wherever you want to. I haven't tried Krishna yet but I'm going to, I guess I'll report back with how that goes sans-hypermax anything.

edit: also yeah, almost any color probably has a lead better than krishna to boot honestly.

Well yeah, I didn't say he was the best lead in the game or anything (or even really the best lead in red, unless he turned out was worse than everyone expected I have to imagine that's Kinnikuman?), but he's got to be close to top-tier, right?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on November 17, 2016, 11:56:45 PM
For my memorial pulls, I got Orochi and a dupe Rozuel. Feels pretty bad.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on November 18, 2016, 12:13:34 AM
Well yeah, I didn't say he was the best lead in the game or anything (or even really the best lead in red, unless he turned out was worse than everyone expected I have to imagine that's Kinnikuman?), but he's got to be close to top-tier, right?

bruh i'm having trouble justifying him over solidly mid-tier leads like shiva rn

no.exe

edit: or to really, really easily rephrase.

No, Krishna is a pretty solid lead, but he has not fixed the overwhelmingly HUGE problem of red leads being massively inferior as a whole to other colors, and is no huge spike in power to red.

Red is still, really, really fucking bad as a whole.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 18, 2016, 12:36:02 AM
bruh i'm having trouble justifying him over solidly mid-tier leads like shiva rn

no.exe

edit: or to really, really easily rephrase.

No, Krishna is a pretty solid lead, but he has not fixed the overwhelmingly HUGE problem of red leads being massively inferior as a whole to other colors, and is no huge spike in power to red.

Red is still, really, really fucking bad as a whole.

(Rambling warning, be advised.)

Neptune Dragon is a 36x rows lead with 2.25x RCV and one-shots all relevant things. Krishna is 45.56x with the 2.25x RCV AND 2.25x HP, he should be able to one-shot all relevant things AND stall AND has greater flexibility in both subs and orb management options. And a non-niche, broadly useful active and no wasted awakenings. That seems pretty favorable to me.

I mean, NepDra is not a top-tier lead and that's not my intent for the comparison here, I'm more addressing spike power. Krishna with a reasonably row-invested team, not even anything crazy, just like 6 rows or so, should be able to spike as hard as is necessary, shouldn't he? Am I overlooking something here? You probably won't get two rows very reliably, but how much damage does one row plus two matches of three do? And if you do need to kill something REALLY heavy you're bulky enough to set up a three-row board. Nothing should really be surviving that, should it?

I guess utility is an issue, but you don't need a shield and Riding Hood should be very passable for bind management. I'm assuming Krishna doesn't hit hard enough on a dime to one-shot PreDras so you'd need something to manage those, but Rodin packing basically any relevant inherit should do fine for that since you should have no problem stalling up to the inherited orbchange or damage enhance or whatever if you don't need the poison. Krishna has the lock resist and the skillboost, so that shouldn't be a problem...

What is he missing? He has strong orbchange options, strong damage output, reasonable utility, and the main downside seems to be "being orb-hungry", which again I think is being exaggerated as a drawback since his active is stackable unlike a lot of leads with that problem and his sub pool is wide, on top of being able to stall back into skills fairly easily.

As someone who doesn't play red, the Krishna team that I'm imagining off the top of my head is this:

Krishna/Uriel/Antares/Riding Hood/Sanada/Krishna

The main thing I'm seeing that as missing is a way to deal with PreDras, and you could swap Antares or Uriel for Rodin or inherit a damage active onto Riding Hood at your discretion. What do you think, how does that team stack up? I'm missing Riding Hood (who is INSANE, I forgot how comparable or even maaaybe better than Snow White she is now) to try it out myself, but I have the rest so I think I can give it a go shortly.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Mеа on November 18, 2016, 01:17:00 AM
Amon and my 3rd Satsuki. yayy.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on November 18, 2016, 01:22:26 AM
(Rambling warning, be advised.)

tldr; main problem as always is yeah to get your full damage numbers you need atleast 12 orbs on board and unlike hero leads you don't just stack them.

Effectively, I'd say Krishna's actual damage potential is a lot lower than NepDras due to that. You'll usually average one row and even blowing two is heavy active consumption, which.... does matter. I know you're used to stalling endlessly but you'll have lower breathing room with 2.25x (x2) and also well, eight turns per active avg on those. Yeah. I think your only haste is antares too.

Krishna's greed and general weird board layouts is a fairly major factor to me because you can't flood  and get a success which has always been red's strong point. Relatedly, yeah, all your changes are solos/heart combos to keep you alive and you'll likely need to use a few (Or red, leaving you open to binds) to get across. I know you're discounting it but as a whole it really effects how good he is overall as a lead, especially across player skill levels.

You'd also possibly get better effect over making a TPA team instead of rows because you can make better use of mostly the same orb numbers, have a good reason to slot in urd, and overall have more flexibility for probably solid as hell numbers. But at that point i'd use shiva because he can get all that too honestly and also >mfw red prong

He's an effective and strong lead. I'll never argue that one. He's probably NA's best red depending on who you ask (Revo shiva will prolly remain my pick honestly, the HP loss aside he's much more efficient and manageable lead to play and can clear a lot of floors krishna can with 2/3ds the orb count. If he had a better active, no one would argue otherwise) and certainly a small hope for red.

But... he's... kinda all we have, and I'm not sure he effectively and powerfully uses the entire color.

He's not Raoh or Kenshin or some garbage like that, sure. But he's a small pity and honestly if you were to ask him to stack up to most heartcross leads you'd likely get a better overall play opinion across skill levels for them and such.

He's a great lead and probably red's best yet, if you ask the right people, but yeah.

He's not really top-tier or saving red, but he's atleast a small blip in our favor that is... well, like you've done, used to justify there is nothing wrong with the color as a whole which would be a pretty solid lie.

If you were to ask me about how i feel about the sudden upswing of good red cards (shiva, minerva buffs) i'd still be somewhat sus. I feel like red's just mostly ignored at this point and running on backburned cards.

Give me something like ultra+deluxe omega shiva instead gungho plz


also because kinnikuman was mentioned:

he's overrated and apparently red's best card plz remove red from game gungho ;;
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 18, 2016, 04:31:14 AM
Hey now, Tsubaki's red and I like her so don't go deleting her color!

(Yes I know she's not meta-compliant due to lacking staying power comparatively but still fun for me)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on November 18, 2016, 05:35:49 AM
Hey now, Tsubaki's red and I like her so don't go deleting her color!

(Yes I know she's not meta-compliant due to lacking staying power comparatively but still fun for me)

she can migrate to blue or some other good color
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 18, 2016, 05:55:00 AM
B-but muh LeiTakeru board combos and stuff...  = |
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on November 18, 2016, 06:01:19 AM
B-but muh LeiTakeru board combos and stuff...  = |

sadly, lei and taquito did not survive the trip to their home planet, and died together in space
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 18, 2016, 08:30:55 AM
video up later after serious editing is done

(http://i.imgur.com/Ozkl0Xx.png)

that's what i think of your shitty pad radar jp

sadly, lei and taquito did not survive the trip to their home planet, and died together in space

and that's why the earth has been taken over by dweebs like mei
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 18, 2016, 02:19:17 PM
150: Urd
250: dupe Verd

Gungho plz.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Monarda on November 18, 2016, 02:29:23 PM
150: Urd
250: dupe Verd

Gungho plz.

Looks like you have a thing with the Norns huh ?

At least they're GFEs.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 18, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
Editing with potato computer sucks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEm8kEpNqIA)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 19, 2016, 12:24:21 PM
Game.  Game stop.  This isn't the kind of 6* GFE luck I want, like...at all.

>Sherias Roots

I know, I know, he's rare and powerful but he is also a full rainbow lead so he's probably not gonna see use anytime like ever. At least he's a new monster book entry so he isn't entirely useless for me.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on November 19, 2016, 09:08:16 PM
Game.  Game stop.  This isn't the kind of 6* GFE luck I want, like...at all.

>Sherias Roots

I know, I know, he's rare and powerful but he is also a full rainbow lead so he's probably not gonna see use anytime like ever. At least he's a new monster book entry so he isn't entirely useless for me.

He makes a nice Yuna sub though!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 19, 2016, 09:54:01 PM
...if I had Yuna that might be of interest.

I AM considering him for ASakuya though if I decide I actually want to try to learn her.  A good board change was always the thing I was lacking, plus he helps for all atts dungeons so that's another bonus.

I dunno I'll figure something out.  He looks cool and puts the "Dragon" back in Puzzle and Dragons, so it'd be cool to use him for SOMETHING.  (Yeah my main is also part dragon, but she's more human than dragon in shape which is different)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 20, 2016, 11:42:01 AM
A yoloroll netted me Barbarossa. Now that's something I never expected to get.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 20, 2016, 12:46:23 PM
Huh. My plan against Predra has never been "lol just deal 10 million damage or 20 million if you get green" but I guess Sachi Bros do that now

(http://i.imgur.com/O8iWmTm.jpg)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 20, 2016, 03:13:15 PM
Could only afford one pull, got Ganesha. Nice! Useful active, and I didn't have a coin lead.

Huh. My plan against Predra has never been "lol just deal 10 million damage or 20 million if you get green" but I guess Sachi Bros do that now

(http://i.imgur.com/O8iWmTm.jpg)

Aren't they great? I can't stop playing with them. We gotta go nuts on MHera and MZeus with them in co-op here soon.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 20, 2016, 09:59:25 PM
It's a bit weird, since this is definitely the first use for dual Sherias I've seen. Sachi Bros even have the benefit of turning the following reds into blue.

What a curious time to be alive.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 21, 2016, 01:29:51 PM
Took me 20 tries to get a Bubpii to drop from the stream reward dungeon. 200 stamina. Uh... Still technically worth it, but dang.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 22, 2016, 12:39:06 AM
I got a Antares from the Day 2 the other day.
Not sure what to do with him, but I got him to level 98 anyways. Unlike Pollux, I don't have subs for him. And actually, I don't have much Fire stuff in general, much less stuff that has OE.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on November 22, 2016, 02:19:50 AM
I got a Antares from the Day 2 the other day.
Not sure what to do with him, but I got him to level 98 anyways. Unlike Pollux, I don't have subs for him. And actually, I don't have much Fire stuff in general, much less stuff that has OE.

Good.

Red is a bad color.

(he's very multi-purpose but he'd prolly fit best in a shiva team alongside urd for the fat shiva orb enhances)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 22, 2016, 06:09:29 AM
I have an Urd now, but I have no Shiva, nor will I likely ever get one ;;

Maybe I'll stuff him at the bottom of my box until further notice.

Or dump stones in Indian Godfest.
Which is kind of waste since it's for Shiva and Shiva only.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 22, 2016, 12:11:04 PM
I AM considering him for ASakuya though if I decide I actually want to try to learn her.  A good board change was always the thing I was lacking, plus he helps for all atts dungeons so that's another bonus

he's a better lead than A.Sakuya IMO :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 22, 2016, 12:16:48 PM
and as the last fixed team showed, Awoken Kirin works as an emergency sub for Sherias Roots :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Pesco on November 22, 2016, 12:34:38 PM
Zengar, you in for red insect farming 13 hours from this post?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 22, 2016, 01:07:30 PM
Zengar, you in for red insect farming 13 hominurs from this post?
Of all the days you could have chosen to give me this proposition you chose the probably best one, good bun. What team do you have in mind? Just going with the unskilled Krishnas?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Pesco on November 22, 2016, 09:30:36 PM
We can run anything. The 40 stam dungeon is consistent enough with the drops on 2x. The only downside is the pengdras don't drop at max level.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 22, 2016, 09:37:52 PM
Yeah that's fairly minor compared to the stamina efficiency boost. Sounds fine to me!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 23, 2016, 06:13:24 AM
About time, geez. 

Having just enough HP to tank Justice Blade after it's boosted is...a thing.  Only lived by about 2k each time.

(http://i.imgur.com/chFrHrb.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 24, 2016, 01:43:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/17QnBghl.png)
what's a kali
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 24, 2016, 06:33:14 PM
A miserable goddess of secrets!

(Or just a pile of ashes take your pick)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 24, 2016, 07:54:01 PM
Does that mean DKali is a miserable pile of power?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 24, 2016, 07:56:27 PM
Of course it does!

Still, nicely done.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 24, 2016, 09:21:24 PM
Doing the alt dungeons to unlock the unbindable leader badge

That's frightening
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It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't wreck my heart cross shield and 36x multiplier
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Monarda on November 24, 2016, 09:28:23 PM
Doing the alt dungeons to unlock the unbindable leader badge

That's frightening
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It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't wreck my heart cross shield and 36x multiplier

Because that's what is scaring her.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 24, 2016, 10:12:32 PM
Doing the alt dungeons to unlock the unbindable leader badge

That's frightening
That's frightening
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It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't wreck my heart cross shield and 36x multiplier
Yeah Furis are a source of constant grief when doing alts. That and the red caps, or at least if you're doing a team that makes combo shields difficult (like, y'know, heart crosses  >:( )
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 24, 2016, 11:39:33 PM
Cath Palugs are simarly annoying.

EDIT: First solo Mythical Plus clear!

(http://i.imgur.com/FJQij6u.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/xZpellh.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2016, 03:33:09 AM
Edit: Oops, posted Pokemon stuff in the PAD thread. DISREGARD. :blush:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Pesco on November 25, 2016, 05:07:20 AM
Hey I borrowed your Gabe and beat up a robot
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 25, 2016, 04:52:31 PM
Y'shtola Uvo is a thing.
A thing with ridiculously useful awakenings.
And a heart shield. And a 6x LS.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 26, 2016, 02:27:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/mErv8cQ.jpg)

Nobody stops the brothers.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 26, 2016, 03:18:57 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/MdKbTMU.jpg)

Can confirm, this bara is really good.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 26, 2016, 03:11:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Y8whMp9.jpg)

And now I have yet another useless descend boss.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 26, 2016, 03:13:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/uPAWQpPl.png)
This is what happens when you let me stall all I want.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 26, 2016, 04:19:53 PM
admittedly
Another Crusader/Ragnarok/Ragnarok/Star Justice/LKali??????/Another Crusader seems like it'd be really appealing. X4 HP for everybody that isn't Kali, permanent 1.5x RCV, x144 ATK for rainbow matches, and all.

Well, maybe it isn't ideal but you know. I like these robots.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 26, 2016, 05:02:32 PM
Man it's hard to believe that having ~24k is fucking LOW these days. New!Yuna's a powerhouse and it's easy to hit 144x with her, but she can't take a hit at ALL.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 27, 2016, 12:11:18 AM
I think Yuna's intent is to rely on her own active, and maybe Indra if one has him?  I don't have Yuna nor do I really do rainbow teams, but still, that's what comes to mind.

Also an option is to use the HP+5% or +15%(if you have it and can afford the team cost cut) badges to help ease the HP drought.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on November 27, 2016, 12:24:52 AM
I think Yuna's intent is to rely on her own active, and maybe Indra if one has him?  I don't have Yuna nor do I really do rainbow teams, but still, that's what comes to mind.

Also an option is to use the HP+5% or +15%(if you have it and can afford the team cost cut) badges to help ease the HP drought.

That's pretty much what I did when I ran her. Her shields are your key to not being a sucker and dying.

Indra is for the long fights. Susano is probably the new age shit for her though imo, but I'd see greendra as a good on-color sub still.

Two indras for good form and greendra would be my suggestion but that's whale shit
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 27, 2016, 09:29:16 PM
The new Descended Challenge has a different format this time, and it has fixed teams.
It's weird, and it gives Jewels and Tans as rewards.

Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/notes/puzzle-dragons-north-america-gungho/descended-challenge-fixed-teamno-continues-arrives/1459615414067046/)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 27, 2016, 09:58:49 PM
More proof that GH doesn't know how to teambuild. Also enjoy that only taste of radar-only mons!
E: For the free FF roll? I got Cloud :v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 28, 2016, 12:36:25 PM
Did my free roll, dupe Squall who went toward the YomiDra fund.  One normal roll, Rinoa.  Eh, guess she's ok but I'm not likely to use her.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 28, 2016, 12:55:27 PM
against my better judgement, I rolled

many times

Got a Lightning and Cecil though!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 28, 2016, 01:29:01 PM
JP Godfest has...

Pantheon Gods LV60 evolved +20/+20/+20 x3

GFEs LV60 evolved +20/+20/+20 x5
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 28, 2016, 01:46:23 PM
Spent my stones and a 6 pack for nostalgia's sake.

Free: Auron
1. Aemo
2. Bartz
3. Rain
4. Rain
5. Lightning
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 28, 2016, 02:00:56 PM
Evolved GF mons now?  Huh.  Certainly saves on resources!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Mеа on November 28, 2016, 03:56:08 PM
Free roll
> Rain
Rain? Who rain is even what
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 28, 2016, 04:04:45 PM
I got some silver I've never heard of from the Final Fantasy machine.

Hooooly shit that Hel team is fun to use. And with 5/6 farmable members even. Yes plz. Almost makes me want to make one. Almost.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on November 28, 2016, 04:25:21 PM
oh wow we did get the free roll

things coming up nahouse

edit: rolled despite saying i wasn't going to which is apparently the theme of today

8 rolls, 1 cloud

okay.jpg
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 28, 2016, 05:03:35 PM
good use of noniap resources

(http://i.imgur.com/XMC4ajD.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 28, 2016, 10:51:04 PM
Ok game, I'll give you this.  Hel is fun.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 29, 2016, 12:27:19 AM
Hel is fun, but she'll be more fun once I figure out how to actually use her. Her spike damage seems pretty low, which is weird for me.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 29, 2016, 02:01:07 AM
If you have something like Awoken Persephone during an attacking turn you might be able to swing for some pretty high numbers.

Anyway I seemed to hit pretty decently every time I actually swung for real so *shrug*  If only stuff like Satsuki and Escha were usable.  The former's a fast triple TPAer and the latter's a stronger skyfall buff due to being one turn longer than z8s and actually making darks on its own, but alas both of them erase poison orbs.

I wonder what a better team for Hel even looks like...?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 29, 2016, 02:09:30 AM
Free roll
> Rain
Rain? Who rain is even what

he is from Final Fantasy Brave Exvius, a different final fantasy mobile game.

Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2016, 02:26:01 AM
If you have something like Awoken Persephone during an attacking turn you might be able to swing for some pretty high numbers.

Anyway I seemed to hit pretty decently every time I actually swung for real so *shrug*  If only stuff like Satsuki and Escha were usable.  The former's a fast triple TPAer and the latter's a stronger skyfall buff due to being one turn longer than z8s and actually making darks on its own, but alas both of them erase poison orbs.

I wonder what a better team for Hel even looks like...?

I'm inclined to think it has two Hakus on it, since that combination was some pretty solid damage and TPAs seem like the way to go with Hel. Stacking HP seems very necessary since her RCV is so bonkers that it makes you very survivable, so... Okuninushi, Loki, probably some other stuff I'm overlooking? The Z8s don't seem completely optimal to me but I can't really think of a better option, so maybe they are. Or maybe I'm completely forgetting something obvious.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 29, 2016, 08:34:17 AM
I would be more interested in Hel after this if I didn't roll a Cecil, who is the most free 1/81/4 for Dark Attribute in the game, probably :V

You could probably justify using Lumiel > Hel if you were feeling really lucky and had, say, Healer Pandora
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on November 29, 2016, 07:44:17 PM
I got some silver I've never heard of from the Final Fantasy machine.

Hooooly shit that Hel team is fun to use. And with 5/6 farmable members even. Yes plz. Almost makes me want to make one. Almost.

I hate that Hel team. I don't like having only one on demand dark orb changer, and I can't stand how it has zero answers to binds.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 29, 2016, 08:09:33 PM
Yeah Hel team is a mess. You have to pop one of the z8s just so you can have haku up before you get two people bound and likely, it's going to be one of the hels. And this is floor 1.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2016, 08:26:13 PM
So I've been getting about a new best friend a day since I started using ASacchis a lot. Are they actually meta, or is this just what playing a lead that isn't D-tier is always like?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 29, 2016, 09:06:34 PM
They're in vogue right now because :all the damage:.

I imagine when people realize they're really fragile it'll slow down.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 29, 2016, 09:07:59 PM
it's like playing Fenrir except dumber damage
But with less utility

but people don't see the latter part so Sachi ends up being popular anyways
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on November 29, 2016, 09:29:30 PM
it's like playing Fenrir except dumber damage
But with less utility

but people don't see the latter part so Sachi ends up being popular anyways

That and people hate jammers.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2016, 09:40:39 PM
They're in vogue right now because :all the damage:.

I imagine when people realize they're really fragile it'll slow down.

I think people know they're fragile. What it comes down to is that they're just really good at setting damage to "yes". Good awakenings, amazing active, good flexibility.

I don't necessarily agree that they have bad utility. Because they have such an efficient active you can easily afford two utility slots, and neither of them has to be poison or true damage because they can smash PreDras with raw 400x power. They have a great delay option in Orochi and a filler option for either shield or bind clear in Isis, plus they can easily afford to splash into other colors for utility because their damage is high enough that playing non-blue subs doesn't hurt at all.

I agree rhat they're "just damage", obviously, but as that goes they're pretty optimal I think.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 30, 2016, 02:21:31 AM
stream later today/tonight, expecting big big things.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2016, 03:26:34 AM
I only need 97 more monsters in my monster book to get the super time extend badge. That's not many, and yet also so many.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Mеа on November 30, 2016, 03:32:18 AM
There's something really upsetting about not seeing the board fill up with new orbs when skyfall is disabled. My stomach turns over every turn and it's not terribly pleasant
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 30, 2016, 10:29:07 AM
Holy shit that dark athena. 3x prongs? Almost 3k attack when hypered? Enhance dark and water + 3 turn delay on 11 CD? IT'S INHERITABLE!?!?!?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Monarda on November 30, 2016, 11:54:28 AM
Holy shit that dark athena. 3x prongs? Almost 3k attack when hypered? Enhance dark and water + 3 turn delay on 11 CD? IT'S INHERITABLE!?!?!?

Powercreep? at work.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 30, 2016, 01:00:22 PM
Holy shit that dark athena. 3x prongs? Almost 3k attack when hypered? Enhance dark and water + 3 turn delay on 11 CD? IT'S INHERITABLE!?!?!?
NEVER MIND APPARENTLY IT'S RADAR :qq:
Also six rolls, and the only interesting one was a Kundali.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 30, 2016, 01:15:07 PM
oh
The Rinoa I have is getting a row heal and SBR

in other words
Who needs Isis?

Bartz getting a third TPA is pretty good too
Lightning is a God now? (Makes sense)

I'm okay with this result.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 30, 2016, 01:24:44 PM
Something tells me that Awoken Ichigo became a really tasty a.pandora sub. Active becomes +50% damage per dark row for one turn.
E: Big stuff! Inherit rework: Don't need tans any longer and only costs 1m. If the base and the inherit are the same color the base gets buffs.
Tans can be uvo'd by feeding it 5 dupes to make a King Tan. Feed a king tan with 4 skillup mats to secure all 4 skillups!
New latents! They cost 2 slots. One buffs all 3 stats (1.5% HP 10% ATK 5% RCV)  and the rest are killer latents (1.5x damage) that require the monster to have certain types (apparently balanced type can get all of them?)
New awakening, Combo Enhance. 2x damage on 7 combo.
Autoheals get buffed to 800 HP each.
Super King Dragon Infestations are moved to dialies!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 30, 2016, 01:35:02 PM
I hadn't realized that Pandora was still popular (I suppose I should have guessed - it's Pandora).

But like. When would you ever need damage in the realm of +500%? Machine Hera?

That's just cray cray.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 30, 2016, 01:42:46 PM
That's just cray cray.
You, out of all people, should know best the thrall of big numbers :V
More stuff: Jewel Rush dungeon.
New evos for green+blue odins.
Revo Bastet and Anubis.
UUvos for shiva, yomi and neptune dragons shown.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 30, 2016, 01:47:49 PM
Jewel Rush? Sweeeet.

I'm most excited by the king Tan thing myaelf, but the rest of this is cool too.

Wonder how long it'll take to get that update here...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 30, 2016, 01:51:49 PM
UUVO Nepdra LS: Max cap x10 for 18 orbs, God type HP/RCV x1.5 - gets a 2nd SB

UUVO Shivadra LS: Fire type ATK x2.5, God type ATK/RCV x2.5 - gets a 3rd TPA

UUVO Yomidra LS: Popcorn ATK x4.5, God type ATK/RCV x2


Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 30, 2016, 01:53:51 PM
UUVO Shivadra LS: Fire type ATK x2.5, God type ATK/RCV x2.5 - gets a 3rd TPA
the saddest little dragon. I guess 3TPA means he gets to be a better krishna sub? :^)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 30, 2016, 01:55:15 PM
the saddest little dragon. I guess 3TPA means he gets to be a better krishna sub? :^)

x39 for doing absolutely nothing is really good for farming btw.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2016, 01:56:42 PM
Wow, that Neptune Dragon is pretty perfect. The other two seem... Kind of underwhelming? Any word as to what his evo materials are?

Decided to do three pulls fishing for Hermes. If I pull him it'll continue my chain of recent amazing luck at times like this.

-Persephone (dupe)
-Algedi
-Radious

Huh. Worth it? I guess?

Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 30, 2016, 01:57:58 PM
Wow, that Neptune Dragon is pretty perfect. The other two seem... Kind of underwhelming? Any word as to what his evo materials are?

Not yet, but should come soon as they go live in JP this weekend, I'll definitely be UUVOing Nepdra
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 30, 2016, 02:03:38 PM
Going to assume these mean there will be machine water and fire bosses.  That's all.  Machine Noah and Machine Hephaestus I guess?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on November 30, 2016, 02:05:02 PM
Going to assume these mean there will be machine water and fire bosses.  That's all.  Machine Noah and Machine Hephaestus I guess?

IIRC Nepdra needs Volsung at least.

no new bosses for the shivadragon and such, which must be why they don't get HP multipliers
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 30, 2016, 02:07:37 PM
I'm betting that the machine mats for them are going to be Cosmo Crusader and Liberty Geist, or some of this line.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 30, 2016, 03:02:58 PM
Making inheritance and skillups less idiotic of a process is a great idea. Definitely will cut down on the grinding.

Awoken Ichigo is cool, but I'll probably use the super ult instead because it makes for a great Yuna sub.

I wonder what split ult GOdin will be like okay he's cool; I just finished hypermaxing+skill inheriting Jize on my current Odin for Machine Athena grinding.

The combo enhance awakening is kind of moronic honestly; that's fucking huge because getting 7 combo is super easy these days-- unless it's just the seventh combo that gets boosted? That's less broken. Otherwise it may as well just be appended on to LSs.

Yomi Dragon's absolutely fucking busted. Easiest 81x ever. Love it.

Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2016, 03:14:21 PM
Wow, I really don't like Neptune Dragon's new art. Probably would have liked it fine in a vacuum, but it has no consistency with his current art.

The combo enhance awakening is kind of moronic honestly; that's fucking huge because getting 7 combo is super easy these days-- unless it's just the seventh combo that gets boosted? That's less broken. Otherwise it may as well just be appended on to LSs.

I assume it only applies to the card with the Combo Enhance awakening, so it's sort of like God Killer in that sense. Since it's not latent they can theoretically hand it out to things that it's not completely ridiculous on, which has sooort of been the case with killer awakenings so far. At least in the sense that as far as I know we haven't seen anything with like, high attack, four TPAs, and God Killer yet or anything.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 30, 2016, 03:15:53 PM
Ah, that makes more sense. That's definitely better, yeah.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on November 30, 2016, 03:27:00 PM
3 rolls: Vajrabhairava, Acala, Guan Yu
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 30, 2016, 03:46:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tcBDjZV.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2016, 04:18:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tcBDjZV.png)

Lol@ that post+your avatar.

Don't lose your waifu hearts just for some lousy killers! Although is it worth losing the waifu hearts for three multi-stat boosts? Hmm...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 30, 2016, 04:21:46 PM
Lol@ that post+your avatar.

Don't lose your waifu hearts just for some lousy killers! Although is it worth losing the waifu hearts for thre multi-stat boosts? Hmm...

Who says she has to equip them? ALL her subs are Balanced...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 30, 2016, 04:35:20 PM
Do the killer latents give bushy eyebrows too? :v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 30, 2016, 04:45:43 PM
Devils can use God Killers, eh?

fenrir with God Killer + 3x GK latents
oooooooooooh yes
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on November 30, 2016, 08:00:18 PM
shivadra being shit 'but muh farm' as usual, i see.

New killer latents sound really cool. That's a degree of customizability I like.

ff buffs make me sad because the only one of those i have is bartz.....

(cloud got swole anyway)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on November 30, 2016, 11:15:06 PM
Oh hey, God Killer latents work on Machine-types!

Sadly, I cannot think of anything that I consistently use that I'd be willing to wipe the latents off of for the 3.375x killer multiplier. Maybe, maybe maybe maybe my L/D Pollux, but she's already being filled with 3 Dark reducers and 2 SDR, so I feel like that'd be a real waste :V

Maybe I'll wait until I get a Castor or an Alcyone.
(My little mind can only comprehend Mech. Star Gods :ohdear:)

Meanwhile...
*rolls*
>LKali
Hey, looks like I finally got one of those. Too bad I don't use rainbow teams ever.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on November 30, 2016, 11:39:39 PM
Oh, right I did rolls.

>whatshisface the blue Wisdom King dude
>Dupe Hermes

Nothing I wanted, but a so-so card and a solid thing to have a dupe of are welcomed.  Coulda been Woodbahn or somethin.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2016, 11:49:59 PM
Oh, right I did rolls.

>whatshisface the blue Wisdom King dude
>Dupe Hermes

Nothing I wanted, but a so-so card and a solid thing to have a dupe of are welcomed.  Coulda been Woodbahn or somethin.

Those are the literal exact cards I was rolling for! Because of course they are!

Not that I'm complaining, mind. My pulls were fiiiine.

Also, you know, the curse.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on December 01, 2016, 02:44:47 AM
I'm betting that the machine mats for them are going to be Cosmo Crusader and Liberty Geist, or some of this line.

Neither of them need machine mats.

Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 01, 2016, 07:54:38 AM
Now for something different.  Decided to, having finally remembered my phone is capable of doing so, record a video!  Awoken Karin vs. Scarlet [Mythical Plus]

Fun times, and another clear I'm happy about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiQsMS-O2KM&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2016, 02:06:20 PM
Ooh, turns out today also has blue pantheon gods I want. Only got room for one pull, but might as welll. Come oooon jq luck fron yesterday.

-Kundali

Yaaaay thanks jq luck from yesterday!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 01, 2016, 02:51:23 PM
Just how many of those show up here? I got a Kundali yesterday as well ( and a dupe Sherias).
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2016, 03:00:25 PM
So what's the general opinion on Kundali? I was kind of expecting his damage reduction to be higher, but I see he's getting a nice buff up to 100x soon. Is the fairly modest but obviously still relevant shield worth the worse awakenings, extra blue combo requirement (which makes using rows trickier), and no skyfalls worth it at all next to Sarasvati?

As far as teams go the first one that pops to mind is Kundali/Blonia/Snow White/Orochi/Scheat/Kundali, but that's got a sketchy lack of RCV and three heartbreakers to one heartmaker. If Sarasvati's main problem is frailty then this team doesn't have that, but I'm not sure it actually counts as "survivable". Hmm. Maybe stacking recovery would better?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 01, 2016, 03:03:17 PM
Use blue skyfall buffs as subs
Since they can't trigger on the same turn, you'll be very likely to have the blue orbs you need for multiple turns

That's how I see it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 01, 2016, 03:09:35 PM
I mostly see him as a heartbreaker sub. '3'
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2016, 03:24:11 PM
Use blue skyfall buffs as subs
Since they can't trigger on the same turn, you'll be very likely to have the blue orbs you need for multiple turns

That's how I see it.

Definitely possible. Accidentally sweeping away all of your skyfalling color with skyfalls is definitely a thing. Scheat is my only option there personally. I don't have Hermes or Sarasvati.

I mostly see him as a heartbreaker sub. '3'

True, his skill is solid, although his stats and awakenings are pretty bad so I' m not super convinced he's great sub material at this point.

Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 01, 2016, 03:46:09 PM
There's always the chance of inheriting him on someone who gets directly upgraded by it such as non-awoken Hermes or Reine, I guess?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 01, 2016, 03:50:43 PM
No-stoned Machine Athena using the GOdin strategy my friend linked me to:

Odin+Jize inherit/Dios/Beorc/Awoken Liu Bei/Freyja/Odin+Raph inherit

Everything all maxed out except Beorc's skill (not necessary), and all +297 (though my Dios was a bit off).

It's a MASSIVE grind, but totally doable. Took about an hour though. Kinda reminds me of the PAD days of old.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2016, 03:55:43 PM
There's always the chance of inheriting him on someone who gets directly upgraded by it such as non-awoken Hermes or Reine, I guess?

Oh right, good call.

Although there are times when adding an extra color to an orbchanger is bad, but yeah, generally that's a decent use.

I'd rather use my shiny new pantheon god to do stuff of course, and I'm gonna give him a try, but inheritable orbchanges are relevant. Could be especially good for row teams since they can struggle to hit six combos on demand at times.

No-stoned Machine Athena using the GOdin strategy my friend linked me to:

Odin+Jize inherit/Dios/Beorc/Awoken Liu Bei/Freyja/Odin+Raph inherit

Everything all maxed out except Beorc's skill (not necessary), and all +297 (though my Dios was a bit off).

It's a MASSIVE grind, but totally doable. Took about an hour though. Kinda reminds me of the PAD days of old.

Lolwut. I admittedly haven't even looked at Mathena, but I assume she's as rough as the others so that's probably pretty impressive. Interesting.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 01, 2016, 04:04:55 PM
Lolwut. I admittedly haven't even looked at Mathena, but I assume she's as rough as the others so that's probably pretty impressive. Interesting.

This guide (http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/threads/grodin-vs-machine-athena-guide.98102/), specifically. Gives a turn-by-turn play of how you should do each floor. It's... very well choreographed.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 01, 2016, 05:13:25 PM
Lolwut. I admittedly haven't even looked at Mathena, but I assume she's as rough as the others so that's probably pretty impressive. Interesting.

she's a joke with double grodins
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 01, 2016, 06:56:27 PM
As long as you follow the guide to the letter, you literally can not lose.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 03, 2016, 07:53:48 PM
Oh dang, I missed that there was a ranking dungeon up until someone mentioned it to me earlier. Gotta get that crown. Anybody got any tips for it? I haven't even looked at it yet.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 03, 2016, 08:24:29 PM
Well, it's not up YET, but it will be; she's even more orb-demanding but I feel like Khepri might be decent practice for dealing with "can't match low orb counts anymore".  If you can get HER working, Noct oughta be easier to work with.

Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 03, 2016, 09:23:25 PM
Oh it's not? Fair enough, farming Kephri today then.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: KaiserKnuckle on December 03, 2016, 11:10:58 PM
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/2r3xgt4.jpg)

I do not care if I crashed and burned for this. Finally, after SO LONG.

I at least have those 5 remaining stones for aNY time I can roll for Astaroth (Forest Gala? Or are there any specific Archedemon REM events?)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 03, 2016, 11:39:49 PM
I at least have those 5 remaining stones for aNY time I can roll for Astaroth (Forest Gala? Or are there any specific Archedemon REM events?)

Yes, archdemons are featured in godfests periodically.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 05, 2016, 08:26:09 AM
Oh good, I was prepared to spend many, many stones in the ranking dungeon to get that crown, but we get a sixth awakening latent at 10% as well. I'm still gonna shoot for the crown if possible, but 10% totally works too.

Especially since that one-shot challenge looks interesting this time. Didn't realize it would be back with rotated elements, but I'm game. Pretty sure I got this.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 05, 2016, 06:16:02 PM
okay so like

6x combos and two Dark TPAs alone won't kill the tourney boss, but 6x combo + 2 Dark TPA + 1 Light match will
that said, if you don't have two dark TPAs available then you'll have to use Sephiroth's orb enhance to break through

which is pretty gross since his team haste will take even more time if you've already used one of your Noctis, etc etc.

Anyways I'm at 5.3% now but like
2% is so close
and I hate it
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 05, 2016, 06:33:31 PM
I'm at 8% after two runs so far, but I expect that to fall out from under me fast.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 05, 2016, 08:32:24 PM
I haven't even broken 50%! Despite having been able to oneshot Glauca twice since I can't do the rest well enough, ahaha.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 05, 2016, 09:59:23 PM
It's really weird trying to match 4 when we're so used to matching 3.  I am torn on if I wanna keep going or if I want to just leave things as they are and play other stages.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Thaws on December 06, 2016, 09:01:00 AM
Some tips for people trying to 2% on FF ranking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfJd_BacznM&t=197s
Dacho's cheatsheet for minimal combos for each floor helps a lot
光 = light
闇 = dark
Note that the dark dark 6combo on floor 3 is for aiming for max damage there.

After you have that noted down, try to go as fast as you can for floor 1-4. I find it helps to go for light combo only kills when you can earlier on, because you definitely need dark combos for floor 4-6. Though being able to clear floor 2 and 3 with only 3 combos can potentially save loads of time. Make judgment based on your board basically.
Only go for more combos than you need if it's really really not that out of the way, time probably worth more points unless you're really fast.
Noctis if you really need to, but then you need to do floor 5 without actives.

Preferably you'd be able to dark light 6c for floor 5 but most of the time you board won't event have 6c so noctis if you need to.
Floor 6 pretty much just Cecil+Noctis without a second thought. Unless you original board is really good that you can just go with a noctis active.
Hopefully your board is nice enough for 40m damage.

Keeping trying and good luck :)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 06, 2016, 01:21:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Bi9RLZDl.png)
At least I managed to accomplish something this in-between event period!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 06, 2016, 04:42:58 PM
I have a feeling this 2% bar might be too generous for me.

(http://i.imgur.com/6MlVM8d.png)

Some tips for people trying to 2% on FF ranking:

I like how I start seeing all of these everywhere after I already trial and error'd what it takes to kill dudes myself over like 20 runs :negative:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Mеа on December 06, 2016, 05:28:02 PM
trying out the ff rank dungeon made me want to pull so I did and got myself a yshtola and a vivi. I'm glad for the former since she looks pretty cool, but I'm rather surprised by her multiplier. Not only does she need one 3 more orbs for maximum spike damage, it's only 6x compared to myr's 7.7 and doesn't even come with a shield. And this is a gold rem mon, what's the why?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 06, 2016, 05:30:31 PM
trying out the ff rank dungeon made me want to pull so I did and got myself a yshtola and a vivi. I'm glad for the former since she looks pretty cool, but I'm rather surprised by her multiplier. Not only does she need one 3 more orbs for maximum spike damage, it's only 6x compared to myr's 7.7 and doesn't even come with a shield. And this is a gold rem mon, what's the why?

active
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 06, 2016, 05:30:38 PM
Got my rank up to like 6% last night, but it's already fallen down to 8.8%. Was dropping by like .1% every time I finished a run there for a while. And it's no wonder why, with fixed teams, 25-stamina runs, and sought-after skillup drops this is most likely a very competitive and very heavily run tournament.

I feel like I still have plenty of room for improvement though, so that works for me. I have yet to quite get a perfect run, and I'm sure the route I'm using is very flawed, so I can do better I think.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Thaws on December 06, 2016, 10:06:59 PM
I have a feeling this 2% bar might be too generous for me.

(http://i.imgur.com/6MlVM8d.png)

I like how I start seeing all of these everywhere after I already trial and error'd what it takes to kill dudes myself over like 20 runs :negative:

It's ok Chirei! Jp 2% border was 121600! You can keep playing :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Mеа on December 07, 2016, 05:07:32 AM
active
o right that's a thing
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 07, 2016, 03:08:20 PM
So Revo Gods are a thing for NA now. I just sunk so many resources into evolving and maxing out my Parvati, Lakshmi, and Ceres. Over 60 MILLION EXP total (Lakshmi got a GREAT!! on 4 Bleu). Fed my Memorial Tama away to Ceres. Knew that little fucker would be worth something.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Monarda on December 07, 2016, 03:22:03 PM
So Revo Gods are a thing for NA now. I just sunk so many resources into evolving and maxing out my Parvati, Lakshmi, and Ceres. Over 60 MILLION EXP total (Lakshmi got a GREAT!! on 4 Bleu). Fed my Memorial Tama away to Ceres. Knew that little fucker would be worth something.

Meanwhile REvo Venus seems like an downgrade  to me, especially Art-wise.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 07, 2016, 04:17:12 PM
Ooh, definitely gotta get Lakshmi did. And Neptune. Might even give one of them a spin for the One-Shot Challenge for a change of pace.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 07, 2016, 06:03:25 PM
The only one I can access right now is Shiva but hell yes I want it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 07, 2016, 07:42:45 PM
Meanwhile REvo Venus seems like an downgrade  to me, especially Art-wise.

I love REvo Venus' art. It's a lot prettier without those creepy-ass cherubs.

It's her LS that feels like a bit of a downgrade to me. Sure, she can do 36x and all, but trading 50% Water/Light/Dark resist for 75% Light resist feels like a bad tradeoff. Meanwhile the RGB set gets the 50% triple resist. I feel that having 75% resist to three colors (assuming paired leaders) is more useful than having 93.75% resist to one-- especially in a color that has some really solid damage reducing actives at its disposal (Yuna, Indra, etc).
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Monarda on December 07, 2016, 07:59:57 PM
I love REvo Venus' art. It's a lot prettier without those creepy-ass cherubs.

It's her LS that feels like a bit of a downgrade to me. Sure, she can do 36x and all, but trading 50% Water/Light/Dark resist for 75% Light resist feels like a bad tradeoff. Meanwhile the RGB set gets the 50% triple resist. I feel that having 75% resist to three colors (assuming paired leaders) is more useful than having 93.75% resist to one-- especially in a color that has some really solid damage reducing actives at its disposal (Yuna, Indra, etc).

Yeah the LS is also a big turnoff, since it makes her sooo niche, but the art for me really seems off, the coloring just looks weird to me, and if you looks closely...

(http://puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/MONS_1928.jpg)  (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/MONS_3269.jpg)

...you can see that a quite a bit of her art is recycled from from the Awoken version.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 07, 2016, 08:04:08 PM
God, revo Lakshmi's art is max adorbs.

(http://puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/MONS_3242.jpg)

Revo Neptune is making me reeeeally wish I had a Trash Garbage again. Her active is much more compatible than Gabe's. Although this is one of those situations where Gabe's higher attack is actually pretty relevant, which is isn't always.

I love REvo Venus' art. It's a lot prettier without those creepy-ass cherubs.

It's her LS that feels like a bit of a downgrade to me. Sure, she can do 36x and all, but trading 50% Water/Light/Dark resist for 75% Light resist feels like a bad tradeoff. Meanwhile the RGB set gets the 50% triple resist. I feel that having 75% resist to three colors (assuming paired leaders) is more useful than having 93.75% resist to one-- especially in a color that has some really solid damage reducing actives at its disposal (Yuna, Indra, etc).

Agreed and agreed. Plus I like the pink hair.  The leader skill is amazing in some really niche situations but is mostly considerably worse IMO.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 07, 2016, 08:06:29 PM
Yeah the LS is also a big turnoff, since it makes her sooo niche, but the art for me really seems off, the coloring just looks weird to me, and if you looks closely...

(http://puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/MONS_1928.jpg)  (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/MONS_3269.jpg)

...you can see that a quite a bit of her art is recycled from from the Awoken version.

That's... what almost all of the Reincarnated art looks like so far, with some exceptions. A palette-swapped Awoken art. Small tweaks. In fact, hers is one of the most significantly changed-- Ceres, Minerva, Neptune and Lakshmi are barely changed in comparison. Shiva, Venus, and Parvati's changes are a bit more pronounced. Hades probably has the biggest change.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Monarda on December 08, 2016, 02:18:42 AM
Well, different tastes i guess, i still can't get over the strange coloring. (Although i do like the wings.)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Mеа on December 08, 2016, 05:52:58 AM
ReVenus's pink hair looks a lot prettier imo than her regular awoken's weird salami pink red thing with shading that makes it look like plastic.

e: oh hey ilm evos are a thing now, don't really have the team for her though
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 09, 2016, 04:03:04 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/F0FzvkO.jpg)

He turned red at a real bad time and forced my hand. Fortunately it worked out.

First time through I misread "nullifies 20 million damage or above" as "nullifies 2 million" Needless to say, I, uh, lost that run.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 09, 2016, 04:29:17 PM
i just spent a lot of resources to take babby sano to max level/awoken/skillup so rceres can have FUTAE NO KIWAMI AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH inherit for the sake of farming myr

i have no rceres friends

why
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 09, 2016, 04:54:25 PM
I've forgotten how strong 75% resist for three colors is.

(http://i.imgur.com/OLTOCS4.jpg)

Sorry, China girls.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 09, 2016, 05:19:58 PM
Sorry, China girls.

As much as Neptune and Ceres are strong, and they are VERY strong, their actives blow for leaders. The Chinese do have them beat by a country mile for stackable actives.

Minerva on the other hand, holy shit.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 09, 2016, 05:39:30 PM
If the China girls didn't need ~all three~ of their colors spawned by their board change I would be more likely to agree. But, if each of the China girls made like "their three colors plus hearts" that would be the dream. Or, if Leilan somehow made RGLD such that she could combo with either Minerva or Yamato Takeru, and so on.

As it is now, how many rows do you expect to make with Karin's board change?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 09, 2016, 05:43:54 PM
As someone who is generally outspoken against board changes that don't make hearts, I would expect one. However, if you're committed to a Chinese team you're definitely packing ways to adjust your board and most likely get to two rows plus spacing filler.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 09, 2016, 06:49:32 PM
i just spent a lot of resources to take babby sano to max level/awoken/skillup so rceres can have FUTAE NO KIWAMI AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH inherit for the sake of farming myr

i have no rceres friends

why
Mine's not finished being leveled(and not plussed) because I an out of globes but hi. 

Aoshi has a hyper one, bug her sometime.

EDIT:  Speaking of RCeres, how does this sound?

RCeres(Ishida inherit)/Alnair/Perseus/Artemis(G/D)/(flex slot, such as Balboa for M+ dungeons to kill PreDRAs)/RCeres?

Much of the team needs raising(including Ishida so he even QUALIFIES to be inherited) but it SEEMS like it should be decent? Tons of bind clearing potential, a relatively easy way to get a wood row in Alnair(as well as a board fix for Heroic Blade should I need it), the obvious damage reductions, room for flex subs...Seems like it should work in THEORY but I'm curious of others' thoughts.  Ishida's skill being stupidly slow is my main gripe but with the defenses I'd be running with it seems like it should be feasible to stall up if I play well.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 10, 2016, 12:58:52 AM
Sorry, China girls.

you do realize they're next in line for revos right
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 10, 2016, 01:20:30 AM
you do realize they're next in line for revos right

until I get a Karin they might as well not exist

I'm wondering what they'll do, more specifically. Traditionally, it seemed like China girls had less damage resistance but more attack multipliers (and difficulty getting those), but now Greco-Roman has more of both. What are they going to do, have x10 for matching their three colors?

Not that Indian, Egyptian, or Hinokagutsuchi have gotten particularly ~amazing~ reincarnations.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on December 10, 2016, 02:35:32 AM
Been spending 100% of my stamina farming noctis skills  ups the past 2 weeks so mion dungeon has been a pretty cool break. Went in blind and got super boned when I tried using my burst with her time debuff lol
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 10, 2016, 02:51:10 AM
"greatly reduced"

that was like
one second for my team :c

Still cleared the snowglobe challenge though.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 10, 2016, 03:06:57 AM
Got super stumped by L+, but mythical wasn't so bad at least.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 10, 2016, 04:01:58 AM
sheeshus I don't have enough Lumiel for everything

Ceres can use that inherit combined with Perseus for 50/25/25 wood/heal/dark
Neptune can use that inherit combined with Sitri for 75/25 water/dark which is like THE THING
Sarasvati can use that inherit with Hatsume/Andromeda/Sitri/Amon and get DAMAGE

anyways I hypermaxed my Ceres (I need Alnair and Ishida Mutsunari skillups though)
I think something as simple as a Marine Rider inherit on Ceres will be what I do for now.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 10, 2016, 11:17:30 AM
So, is there a ranking dungeon run that doesn't involve popping Cecil on the fifth or six floor and just praying that the game doesn't give shit RNG for once? I feel like I've hit a fucking brick wall and my score isn't even that good.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 10, 2016, 12:33:59 PM
This was way more annoying than I would have expected it to be.  My HP was so looooow.  Mad props to Courage who did a crap ton of work in here.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZdBuneL.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/VBMPnku.png)

At least the harder one is done now so I can finish the easier one at my leisure.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Mеа on December 10, 2016, 01:45:52 PM
So, is there a ranking dungeon run that doesn't involve popping Cecil on the fifth or six floor and just praying that the game doesn't give shit RNG for once? I feel like I've hit a fucking brick wall and my score isn't even that good.
I use Noctis on floor 5 personally since Cecil giving two dark prongs didn't kill consistently for me
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 10, 2016, 02:57:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/BVG4nqxl.png)
Much better. Mission complete!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Mеа on December 10, 2016, 08:09:10 PM
Waaaait whaat? Why are there kalis in the pem, did they just not have any other place to stick them? Are they even inheritable?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 10, 2016, 09:09:26 PM
Special edition from a coloring contest.  There will be a RL Sakuya later on from the same thing, next time GungHo PEM appears.

Honestly BG Kali has a terrible color palette, but the fire main Sakuya?  Beautiful.  Sakurakuya basically.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 10, 2016, 10:35:53 PM
The rate is low as fuck too. I've rolled like 500-600 and no Bulkali.

fInally got arthur though! : v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on December 10, 2016, 11:43:03 PM
I just cleared Mythical, and that wasn't that fun. Took a while to realize the Sonia tama wasn't a double digit health tama like the odins. Stuff there felt so tanky. I don't think I could take Legend plus.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on December 11, 2016, 01:57:16 AM
I just cleared Mythical, and that wasn't that fun. Took a while to realize the Sonia tama wasn't a double digit health tama like the odins. Stuff there felt so tanky. I don't think I could take Legend plus.

SoniaTama is taken from the 8th number dragon dungeon ;d
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 11, 2016, 02:51:11 AM
Hyorin:  Yeah, Mion's dungeon is deceptively tough.  Looks pretty easy on paper, but the numbers end up adding up ESPECIALLY during the boss battle.  Back to back 12.5m+ HP enemies on L+ in AHermes and Mion herself, so it's quite a lot to chew through.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 11, 2016, 03:23:04 AM
the only song i know how to play is a requiem

(http://i.imgur.com/idOVDtr.png) (http://i.imgur.com/VRGgbzi.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Hxdw4Jl.png) (http://i.imgur.com/KSZlXLs.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 11, 2016, 05:46:46 PM
The rate is low as fuck too. I've rolled like 500-600 and no Bulkali.

fInally got arthur though! : v

Oh really? That sucks. I've seen no less than five people, myself included, open her in the first 50 rolls. I guess we just got really lucky. Haven't seen anyone get two though, and if they're relatively common I'd think someone would.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 11, 2016, 07:39:07 PM
So what... How... What the fuck am I doing wrong in the ranking dungeon? I've been playing it constantly, nonstop, dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of runs, and my score is still awful. I get a perfect run as per the route I'm using and my rank goes up .1%, then drops .2% in the next half hour. WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING WRONG? I'M READY TO SNAP MY FUCKING PHONE IN HALF WITH HOW FUCKING FRUSTRATING THIS IS.

So this is how an ideal run, which I've gotten maybe 6-7 of, has gone for me at this point:

First floor: White/black/X combo or White/X/X/X combo
Second floor: White/black/X combo
Third floor: Black/X/X combo
Fourth floor: Pop one Noctis, Black/X/X/X combo
Fifth floor: Pop Cecil, kill with whatever
Sixth floor: Pop Noctis, pop Sephiroth, kill with whatever

Am I just so abysmally terrible at comboing that I'm losing tons of time in the actual matching? Am I making some kind of critical mistake with my route? WHAT DO I FUCKING DO?!

 :(
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 11, 2016, 11:57:45 PM
You stop worrying over it.  It's not worth the frustration.  It no longer sounds like you're enjoying it so you should just stop.  Go punch something in the face with Gabe instead.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 12, 2016, 12:02:44 AM
So what... How... What the fuck am I doing wrong in the ranking dungeon?

being in the kusoge dungeon in the first place after you got the stone
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 12, 2016, 12:21:40 AM
You're right... But I really want that sixth latent...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 12, 2016, 12:32:00 AM
Then go farm pluses for those dank +297s! That way you get the latent unlock and the +297 needed in one go!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 12, 2016, 12:49:28 AM
That's clearly the right call at this point, but "Get it now by being good at the game on an even playing field" versus "Get it months from now by mindlessly grinding" doesn't SEEM like a good tradeoff on paper...

I'll probably have need for all of these +297s eventually, but right now I have four spare ones, so it's not like I have an immediate use for them. I guess if I find a brand new team I really like in another color I'll just be able to max it out in one go which is nice.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Monarda on December 12, 2016, 07:09:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/TYGzY11.jpg)


Good enough for a last minute run that you woke up 1 hour before it ends to get the stone ?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Smashy on December 12, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
blrgh needs a * on Vishnu, a Saria added, and a lesson on how to not choke when Gabranth actually dies on turn 2 for once
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on December 12, 2016, 02:06:45 PM
On it :3
Evolved Saria or no?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 13, 2016, 11:13:06 AM
I was so sure I'd die after Orochi's delay came off, but Zeus decided to turn my hearts into jammers instead, and coincidentally Echidna popped up that same turn. Welp, C10 clear I guess! :v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on December 13, 2016, 02:06:54 PM
This C10 team... why even?
Nothing is ulted or awoken, and the LS is just... have 9x and heal if you don't.
I do not understand this team. Or LZeus teams at all. No TPA, no rows, no popcorn, not even a weird conditional.

Also, latents are in for an overhaul soon.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 13, 2016, 02:23:15 PM
Welcome to PAD of the good old days of 2013.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 13, 2016, 05:32:08 PM
C9 ISN'T EVEN HARD WHY DO I KEEP DYING?! Dying to preempts like, a lot. Should just use husbando I guess.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on December 14, 2016, 04:15:51 AM
Android 7.1 is now supported which is pretty good timing for me :)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: KaiserKnuckle on December 15, 2016, 01:02:48 AM
Holy shit is Cauchemar as useful as I hoped him to be. Using all greens w/alt sub elements and PDL Astaroth as partner to add with her leader skill is equal to STUPID health and STUPID damage, even without mass attacks. Having Perseus and his epic skill within the team helps with matters as well.

He is probably going to be my second leader, he's so good. If Hikari could add that whenever possible, then thank you~
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 15, 2016, 06:12:36 AM
>hey chaore do you want a new top-tier red lead?

boy do i-

>well fuck you she's a limited 8* rem card, we didn't add a new mp card for xmas because fuck you, and redbei is now probably top 5 for red leads.

oh okay merry christmas

;;
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 15, 2016, 06:43:31 AM
wwwwwwelp guess i'm saving my stones for xmas

them gremory dreams

i don't really have much good in red but hot damn
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 15, 2016, 01:04:48 PM
Rudolph the red nosed... camel?
Figured that there'd be some red heartcrosser, even if even more signs point to RMiru being radar now.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 15, 2016, 01:20:40 PM
I get that this is basically a dream for red but all I want is one of few non-red ones, the Pollux x Castor card.  Too cute.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on December 15, 2016, 02:15:35 PM
He is probably going to be my second leader, he's so good. If Hikari could add that whenever possible, then thank you~
Done :3

Also.

Pollux and Castor.

One card.
Nuff said.
Also wait that AS is amazing. :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V
I'm dying inside because I know that I probably won't get them.
Maybe...
Maybe...
*resisting the urge to slam my wallet down on the table*

EDIT: Oh wait it's a 5* the dream is coming true
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 15, 2016, 04:38:48 PM
I'm extremely salty about no MP card though.

Blue and dark get pretty solid leads for 500k over past reruns? sure why not they're the best colors in the game

Fuck, we didn't even get a G/R 500k instead. Just a giant middle finger.

saaallllttttttttt i wanted something to spend mp on for christmas, come on gungho.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 15, 2016, 04:42:06 PM
Yeah, like... Why though? Are they just done with MP cards because they think it discourages people from whaling? Asymmetry drives me crazy and this is asymmetrical (and just shitty obviously).
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on December 15, 2016, 04:51:02 PM
I thought Gremory was going to be the MP shop card. Disappointing.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 15, 2016, 06:07:13 PM
Yeah, like... Why though? Are they just done with MP cards because they think it discourages people from whaling? Asymmetry drives me crazy and this is asymmetrical (and just shitty obviously).

Literally the only reason I can think of is Xmas has just not sold well, so they downsized it's upgrade, and decided Gremory was clearly too strong to be an MP card (Which is honestly fair, girl is strong as shit and has a majority of the best red cards.) and just decided this would be okay.

Which it's not honestly.

It's probably just a comical mess of bad decisions and/or conservation of resources that just happens to screw over the unluckiest color.

Red has majorly benefitted from R/D Haku (Dark board change works with minerva which is really good) and well, Redbei (He's probably a solid top 10 at worst.). And Gremory is a HUGE jump in red lead power. Like, this is still REALLY GOOD.


....but it's stuck in an annual Rem and there's 0 pity for non-iap red players in this rem because xmas sonia is b a d.

Either that, or they wanted to focus on ny round 2 more and the two are far too close together (Your own damn fault there, gungho. Don't screw people over for that one.)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 15, 2016, 06:45:45 PM
Just got around to taking a closer look at the new cards and

Pollux and Castor.

Also wait that AS is amazing. :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V :V

What makes you say that? Is there some lead that wants that? Looks like a severe downgrade to the Constellation active to me.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 15, 2016, 06:49:39 PM
Literally the only reason I can think of is Xmas has just not sold well, so they downsized it's upgrade, and decided Gremory was clearly too strong to be an MP card (Which is honestly fair, girl is strong as shit and has a majority of the best red cards.) and just decided this would be okay.

Which it's not honestly.

It's probably just a comical mess of bad decisions and/or conservation of resources that just happens to screw over the unluckiest color.

Red has majorly benefitted from R/D Haku (Dark board change works with minerva which is really good) and well, Redbei (He's probably a solid top 10 at worst.). And Gremory is a HUGE jump in red lead power. Like, this is still REALLY GOOD.


....but it's stuck in an annual Rem and there's 0 pity for non-iap red players in this rem because xmas sonia is b a d.

Either that, or they wanted to focus on ny round 2 more and the two are far too close together (Your own damn fault there, gungho. Don't screw people over for that one.)

It doesn't help that the Christmas REM has historically been a fucking joke too. I still haven't forgiven OR forgotten the deluge of Sharons I got, GungHo. Never will.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 15, 2016, 06:59:02 PM
It doesn't help that the Christmas REM has historically been a fucking joke too. I still haven't forgiven OR forgotten the deluge of Sharons I got, GungHo. Never will.

yeah i am extremely consumer shy of it as a whole because i remember the first two iterations

and last year was mostly me being unlucky but w o w

it really needed the same treatment as beach and halloween and i am slightly confuse it didn't get it
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 15, 2016, 07:08:38 PM
Now that I think of it I may just skip christmas altogether and stockpile for NY stuff instead, because you know there's gonna be some ults and buffs and new stuff. May as well prepare for that instead imo
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 15, 2016, 07:12:18 PM
Now that I think of it I may just skip christmas altogether and stockpile for NY stuff instead, because you know there's gonna be some ults and buffs and new stuff. May as well prepare for that instead imo

I'm tempted to flat pass for Heroine rem, but well...

Gremory will be the best red lead.

By miles.

I'm screwed, basically.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on December 15, 2016, 09:25:11 PM
I'm tempted to flat pass for Heroine rem, but well...

Gremory will be the best red lead.

By miles.

I'm screwed, basically.


I might yolo roll once or twice in the Christmas REM once or twice. It's been nice to me. I forgot that Sonia was the 300k person. I thought it was Kali for some reason. Having neither Kali or Gremory is pretty shit. The least they could do is buff the Christmas and Halloween Sonias so they're in line with Green and Blue Sonia. that awakening set feels like it's a year or two old.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on December 15, 2016, 10:08:25 PM
What makes you say that? Is there some lead that wants that? Looks like a severe downgrade to the Constellation active to me.

Well, for constellations themselves, you can just slap that on something and get a free popcorn without thinking.

It is worse overall, actually.

The mindless popcorn active combined with the art brings mindless ideas to my mind. I will take in any Star God, regardless of how good they are.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 15, 2016, 10:13:05 PM
Friendly reminder that I had not considered: this PCGF is probably a really risky time to roll, even disregarding any interest people have in Christmas etc.  Tons of GFEs = tons of silvers probably, so be mindful.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 16, 2016, 04:26:26 AM
no Fenrir Viz = No rolls

MRW Isis gets in and Ronove's popularity manages to carry Rozuel with him

Edit: my A2 run :[
(http://i.imgur.com/5YEA7bw.jpg)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 16, 2016, 09:04:35 AM
MRW Isis gets in and Ronove's popularity manages to carry Rozuel with him

good civilization

besides the fact that pcgf is a nightmare concept that doesn't work these days
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 16, 2016, 01:12:43 PM
Xmas announced internationally, all you get is free rank 50 roll, no 500k grem

good game
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: trancehime on December 16, 2016, 01:17:49 PM
It doesn't help that the Christmas REM has historically been a fucking joke too. I still haven't forgiven OR forgotten the deluge of Sharons I got, GungHo. Never will.

it's funny cause sharon is pretty fucking god-tier now for blue

most of the wizards are actually

granted killer latents kind of lessen the impact now but they may as well not exist since the only way to currently get them is by farming A3 (lel)


What makes you say that? Is there some lead that wants that? Looks like a severe downgrade to the Constellation active to me.


paladin cecil lul
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 16, 2016, 06:54:00 PM
Xmas announced internationally, all you get is free rank 50 roll, no 500k grem

good game

yeah red is fucked


i mean a 12x lead for 500k mp would be a super steal but :salt: at least give me like

a red sub or some shit for 500k???
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: O4rfish on December 16, 2016, 07:35:46 PM
>come back to this game after more than a year
>fluffy tail got buffed to x100
>dungeons are easy now
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 16, 2016, 07:52:09 PM
i've been using blue myr for easy clears for stones on joke dragon dungeons and

suddenly i'm good at her? i never even practiced. why is this card so broken nerf both blue and myr at once
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 16, 2016, 09:25:00 PM
Eeeyup, welcome to Myr.  I still hate her play style but both she and her clone are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 16, 2016, 09:36:08 PM
Eeeyup, welcome to Myr.  I still hate her play style but both she and her clone are ridiculous.

this is like how chirei feels using skuld, except without the mind control and brainwashing by norns happening

just the disgust
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 16, 2016, 11:18:21 PM
Welp.  Meant to roll once, did five.  Didn't get trolled though somehow except I have no idea where/when I'll use half of these.

Krishna
Thanatos(evolved too so no evo mats to spend)
Hamal
Yomi(dupe)
Apocalypse(am I a magnet for these or something?  Third)

Nothing I was after but not a bad lineup.  Solid.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 17, 2016, 01:10:59 AM
I just oneshot the boss of c9 in one hit with RCeres team. That's over 31,111,112 damage in one shot. Hot damn.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 17, 2016, 01:35:34 AM
Dang.  So much for that!  I need to do c8/9 tomorrow or Sunday...  Gotta get them Pys ready for when I wanna skill something special.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 17, 2016, 02:07:49 AM
After my large dump of resources into getting my Reincarnated teams on line, I definitely need to restock on things, too.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on December 17, 2016, 03:39:16 AM
I'm annoyed I can't beat C10. I've come close. But I've been one active short.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 17, 2016, 04:06:32 AM
C10 is... Not fun at all. Getting that close is a huge accomplishment. That said, co-op it. It's not worth the trouble solo. Too random.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 17, 2016, 04:08:38 AM
C10 is... Not fun at all. Getting that close is a huge accomplishment. That said, co-op it. It's not worth the trouble solo. Too random.

It honestly feels like a case of 'gungho expected you to co-op this' it's so tight otherwise.

You -still- need a good deal of strong orb drops to clear it in co-op, even discounting me and commandant fooling around a bit.

Honestly if they at least gave you 297s it might be fair solo.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 17, 2016, 04:14:06 AM
i've been using blue myr for easy clears for stones on joke dragon dungeons and

suddenly i'm good at her? i never even practiced. why is this card so broken nerf both blue and myr at once

+4 second move time on ls so your movetime is doubled just on ls alone
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 17, 2016, 04:40:45 AM
Yeah, long move times are so busted. It's what makes getting 144x with Yuna infinitely easier than getting even 100x with ASakuya.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 17, 2016, 06:17:04 AM
+4 second move time on ls so your movetime is doubled just on ls alone

honestly most of that goes into 'fuck shit oh god crosses are the worst shape to make with organic movements' but yeah

what really gets me is still 'I AM FUCKING NIGH INVULNERABLE TO ANYTHING YOU THROW AT ME BECAUSE LMAO SHIELD'

i could not pull half the shit i do on revo shiva like straight up and it feels really busted to just shrug off obvious fuckoff moves

and i'm definitely not running optimal (Swolemon not +297 yet, running gabriel instead of something with HP)

it's

dum
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on December 17, 2016, 07:02:19 AM
Yeah, long move times are so busted. It's what makes getting 144x with Yuna infinitely easier than getting even 100x with ASakuya.

I get reminded of this when I try C10. I think if I had even one or two seconds, I'd have cleared it by now.

C10 is... Not fun at all. Getting that close is a huge accomplishment. That said, co-op it. It's not worth the trouble solo. Too random.

I dunno. I actually find it kinda fun. It's like Dark Souls. Makes me kinda nostalgic for some elements of the game that don't show up as much now.



I wonder if there will be a a future LS that gives a lot of damage and time to move orbs, but in exchange, you have to solve boards as you get them.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 17, 2016, 07:57:23 AM
dark souls doesn't force you into situations of random chance and rng bullshit like pad does

in dark souls, every time you fail, you learn a little more from your mistakes, because if you die more than once to something in dark souls, it's on you for not learning from mistakes and learning the patterns

c10 in pad is pretty much just luck and praying for favorable drops
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 18, 2016, 12:13:31 PM
Decided to do one PCGF pull every day for goofs.

Day one: Dragon Samurai
Day two: Fuu
Day three: Liu Bei (triplicate)

Eh, can't complain too much, I knew it would most likely be bad.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 18, 2016, 12:24:34 PM
fuck me

got a gremory

how does this work?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on December 18, 2016, 02:44:40 PM
not sure if this has affected anyone else but ever since i got my new phone all previous issues with the andriod version are gone. meaning no more slow menus or the game randomly scrolling down when selecting monsters in the box.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 18, 2016, 03:02:03 PM
fuck me

got a gremory

how does this work?
Grab dark devils(or Balanced), make heart cross, deal 144x and more than halve received damage.  She is pretty strong.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 18, 2016, 03:31:27 PM
Grab dark devils(or Balanced), make heart cross, deal 144x and more than halve received damage.  She is pretty strong.

That seems
Utterly boring
I guess I have an Ishida and Apocalypse that could be inherited, as well as Pandora and Grisar I guess?????
Ah well. I'll keep doing other things and consider using Gremory eventually.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 18, 2016, 03:50:25 PM
It's heart cross.  It's thusly busted.  The only ones I think I'll ever lead with arr the ones I already have and I do so sparingly(Sumire/Kaede, the former if which I used to use a lot but after OSC3 decided to give a rest for a while)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 18, 2016, 04:02:20 PM
not sure if this has affected anyone else but ever since i got my new phone all previous issues with the andriod version are gone. meaning no more slow menus or the game randomly scrolling down when selecting monsters in the box.

Still shit for me sadly.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Pesco on December 18, 2016, 04:14:10 PM
Halp need a co-op for c10 :<
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on December 18, 2016, 07:38:25 PM
the game randomly scrolling down when selecting monsters in the box.
Oh god... That bug... I'm glad they finally fixed it. It only seems to happen when you quickly tap a card in the list but I can also confirm that it no longer happens.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on December 19, 2016, 06:18:01 AM
Noctis got me there arena pretty easily sopdet wasn't to bad which was the only troublesome spawn. Dkali spawned and sadly 7 combos 2 being dark was not enough damage. Hopefully FF buffs hit soon so I can start doing arena runs again.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 19, 2016, 08:09:51 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/5iFZ0UK.jpg)

this is the xmas maki of saved red

red can be saved for you too, but only if you post 'santa isn't real maki' in this thread
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Pesco on December 19, 2016, 11:00:35 AM
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Ez Xmas Gremory for the faithful
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 19, 2016, 11:02:22 AM
Free pull: Christmas Lilith #4? Or 5?

Couldn't it at least have been Christmas Angel or Christmas Siren?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 19, 2016, 11:37:55 AM
I guess I wasn't nice this year, all I got was coaldupe lilith for free roll.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on December 19, 2016, 01:28:01 PM
-Freyja
-Alraune
-Freyja
-Alraune
-Genie
-Echidna
-Lilith

I'm dying slowly. All I want are my Star Gods.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 19, 2016, 01:32:55 PM
Free roll: Ass Paulina
Roll 1 because wow that sucked: Echidna
Roll 2 because wow that sucked: Ass Paulina #2

that's right, seasonal events are shit :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on December 19, 2016, 02:05:57 PM
My god. Screw this.
Up above we're my NA rolls.
Here are my JP rolls:

-Haku
-Hatsume
-Pollux and Castor
-Alraune

I'm triggered so hard right now. I only ever get the stuff I actually want on JP.

e: Which is where I don't have teams for this stuff.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 19, 2016, 02:21:40 PM
Free roll: Ass Paulina
Roll 1 because wow that sucked: Echidna
Roll 2 because wow that sucked: Ass Paulina #2

that's right, seasonal events are shit :V

Hey, at least Paulina is really good. I have a hypermax one which I use sometimes to fill out rainbow teams.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 19, 2016, 03:44:18 PM
I already had her from last year tho :v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 19, 2016, 04:15:45 PM
Ah.

Well.

To the waifu dumpster they go then I suppose.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 19, 2016, 04:53:59 PM
too many waifu will ruin your laifu
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 19, 2016, 05:15:14 PM
... there aren't enough cute guys in this REM.

Castor is like the only one to speak of, gah.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 19, 2016, 05:44:04 PM
Such is PAD. It's because all of the cute guys are too intimidated by Husbando not to mention all the various Odin abs to come out of hiding. Maybe some day...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: O4rfish on December 19, 2016, 06:18:01 PM
4 rolls, 4 decorative silver trash. 

Beautiful Evolution? is surprisingly easy with 100x Fluffly Tail.  I remember when that dungeon was released and people were crapping themselves.

Is it really 3x skillup right now?  I'm not seeing any increase from the base rate, and a severe dropoff from the 4x we just had.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 19, 2016, 06:28:34 PM
Is it really 3x skillup right now?  I'm not seeing any increase from the base rate, and a severe dropoff from the 4x we just had.

Usually x4 skillup chance is on its own - here we have it in tandem with with Great/Super chance x3 as well?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 19, 2016, 06:48:21 PM
i saved red in three rolls

(http://i.imgur.com/gVTOZmh.png) (http://i.imgur.com/qi7Cfzv.png)

time to sell the other 2 for mp
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on December 19, 2016, 07:26:16 PM
Free roll: dupe archangel (3k mp)

I'm probably going to ignore the Christmas REM as usual.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 19, 2016, 08:33:39 PM
redmory gonna need me to make a second taquito real quick before using her though

still, i'll take that over the disasters the last few christmas have been
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 19, 2016, 09:09:07 PM
omg d00d i forgot zhou yu had resolve and he hit me with his rage hit. resolve is the dumbest mechanic mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnNn

(http://i.imgur.com/kUC4QT3.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 19, 2016, 11:58:46 PM
Chirei how the fuck
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on December 19, 2016, 11:59:05 PM
 :colbert:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 20, 2016, 12:00:53 AM
Chirei how the fuck
A 12x HP multiplier will do that.

Still absurd of course, but still.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 20, 2016, 12:17:30 AM
Chirei how the fuck

This isn't even our final form.

Wait until we bring out Chaorei Blue.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 20, 2016, 02:50:54 AM
That sounds like a stupidly expensive cologne.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 20, 2016, 04:09:28 AM
http://puzzledragonx.com/en/news.asp?nid=609


AAAAAAAAAAAH!

MY MONSTER POINTS ARE READYYYY!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 20, 2016, 11:44:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Yu30tk0l.png)
Now that was a pain in the ass. Two consecutive whole board locks was no fun to eal with.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 20, 2016, 02:13:10 PM
http://puzzledragonx.com/en/news.asp?nid=609


AAAAAAAAAAAH!

MY MONSTER POINTS ARE READYYYY!

i fucking swear they better not make those NEW rem drops

make the shitty ones decent pls
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 20, 2016, 02:34:56 PM
Given how prominently the old cards are featured in that promo artwork I'm kind of inclined to think these are new forms. They didn't advertise the Final Fantasy stuff by repeatedly showing off the old cards. Although this is early so who knows. That would be great since I already own everything except Unit 13.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 20, 2016, 03:00:08 PM
Same really. Or at least I did? I seem to have sold off Mari and Rei after the last collab just because I began to assume they'd always be worthless <_<
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 20, 2016, 07:13:04 PM
Oh dang, missed that revo Ra was out. I know everybody hates him but I wanna try him. Will be making him tomorrow.

Also rounding up materials for ultimate Neptune Dragon once he's out. Just need a handful of things to be ready for him, the most complicated of those at this point being two of Zeus Mercury. So I should be plenty good to go there by the time he's available.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 20, 2016, 08:10:45 PM
i fucking swear they better not make those NEW rem drops

make the shitty ones decent pls

Bad news bears: 90% it's likely new rem drops.  There's no way they'd give those out that easily.

Also, precedent for cosplays being the high rarity shit in DG too.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 20, 2016, 08:19:29 PM
new tech is out

(http://i.imgur.com/9Y4SqiV.png) (http://i.imgur.com/24gjVkD.png) (http://i.imgur.com/F6UAwSU.png) (http://i.imgur.com/JL3gh9e.png) (http://i.imgur.com/UI6aApw.png) (http://i.imgur.com/nO9cJpD.png) (http://i.imgur.com/HoObf84.png) (http://i.imgur.com/DOcPBbm.png) (http://i.imgur.com/3iy1f5i.png) (http://i.imgur.com/HKdjNWI.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 20, 2016, 08:24:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Jbjovh7.png)

the bae

(too bad she's probably the worst revo but i'm kind of used to her getting shit on by gungho and all but stillllllll dang what gorgeous)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 20, 2016, 08:35:13 PM
Yeah, she's like... The second prettiest Padmon for sure.

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/MONS_2993.jpg)

Second prettiest.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: O4rfish on December 21, 2016, 01:10:09 AM
https://www.padherder.com/user/o4rfish/teams/#259052

What is the best way to improve this team?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 21, 2016, 01:25:07 AM
https://www.padherder.com/user/o4rfish/teams/#259052

What is the best way to improve this team?
Unless you specifically need ROdin's poison(and remember Minerva halves enemy defense so that might handle defense-piercing issues), I'd suggest replacing him with Gadius(unbindable bind clear via Awakenings, pairs with Minerva) and replace Echidna with Cao Cao, especially Awoken if you can be bothered to get the materials.  Two turns less delay on him but much better all around and also an offensive orb changer since your team is fire-focused.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 21, 2016, 02:18:27 AM
https://www.padherder.com/user/o4rfish/teams/#259052

What is the best way to improve this team?

Maybe this isn't the kind of answer you're looking for, but... Lead with Reincarnated Minerva? She's a monstrously powerful lead.

In general I think all of your subs should probably be replaced with white ones if you have them. Or get a red row lead. Splitting your damage between white rows and red rows is a bit of a waste.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on December 21, 2016, 03:11:08 AM
i think i remember reading ilm/rminerva could consistently do arena1. not sure what the team exactly was but im sure a similar team could work for most dungeons
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: O4rfish on December 21, 2016, 03:45:24 AM
Maybe this isn't the kind of answer you're looking for, but... Lead with Reincarnated Minerva? She's a monstrously powerful lead.
(http://i.imgur.com/xVVzvvc.jpg)

I think Medjedra agrees with you.

Quote
In general I think all of your subs should probably be replaced with white ones if you have them. Or get a red row lead. Splitting your damage between white rows and red rows is a bit of a waste.
I have Sun Wukong Fuma Kotaro and Wee Jas, but they are in infancy.  It'll be a while before they're ready.


Gadius and Cao Cao are things I hadn't considered.  For right now, Rodin is a big stat stick.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 22, 2016, 02:45:35 PM
Alright, so the Eva Collab stuff is up. Unsurprisingly but unfortunately they ARE new cards. They all seem bad except Shinji Scheat and Kaworu Kali, who seem great, and Rei Myr is too hard to evaluate but is probably great.

REALLY want Shinji and Kaworu. We'll see I guess. Savin' my stones. Would pay MP for Kaworu.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 22, 2016, 06:40:01 PM
Man now I regret getting rid of Rei, her ult is really cute :(

So is Kali!Kaworu, dang.

But I'm glad I'm not missing much, because they're pretty... unimpressive overall aside from Myr Rei and Kali Kaworu? (Is that seriously a 324x atk boost on rei wtf)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 22, 2016, 06:45:57 PM
Does anyone who plays Myr have thoughts on Rei? She seems probably worse than normal Myr to me but it's kind of hard to tell.

No love for Shinji Scheat? That active is always amazing, and he has way higher attack to go with his fewer prongs (although that means lower HP and RCV, which are one of Scheat's big selling points).

But yeah, I really want Kaworu. What do you think the odds are that we get an MP card and it isn't Rei?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 22, 2016, 07:09:49 PM
I'm not really impressed with Shinji Scheat because I don't know how well making subs for him would be tbh.

Seeing that Kali is kind of PAD's new mascot for how much they rehash her, I wouldn't be surprised if Kaworu was the MP card.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 22, 2016, 07:13:31 PM
You wouldn't lead with any Scheat. Definitely sub material for blue prongs.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 22, 2016, 07:15:07 PM
Yeah but it's just not as fun to get a collab rare and only play them as subs :(
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 22, 2016, 07:29:58 PM
That's been Eva's lot thus far unfortunately. And looks like it will continue to be aside from the chases.

If you DID want to lead with Shinji it's definitely possible, although likely a strictly worse Another Justice. Farmable subs in Kamui and AJ, REM subs include Alfecca, Alrescha, regular Scheat, and maybe Acubens. Narrow, definitely, but not completely unplayable.

Edit: Oh yeah, and I guess the original Shinji. Probably wouldn't use Unit 13 so much because AJ seems generally better, but you might need to for some stuff.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 22, 2016, 07:30:33 PM
rei is hard mode Ronove

X9 for four attributes is too weak
X36 for five attributes is usable???
X9 for heart cross is weak

But like, x81 for four attributes and heart cross is almost half as strong as Ronove hitting x144 for the same thing
That said, getting five attributes and a cross is suuuuper difficult, since Rei's active can take away colors you need and none of the DKali boards can ascertain 5 hearts.

Really, the best thing you can do is use Aten combined with a jammer to heart maker like Another Crusader.

Despite that, her maximum damage is off the charts, and her shield is 50% instead of Ronove's 35%
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 22, 2016, 07:50:41 PM
I guess Rei is probably most plausible setting up your heart shield on a previous floor and then just sweeping with rainbows from the next floor onward? Which is a strategy that will never work in a relevant dungeon ever?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 22, 2016, 08:05:06 PM
myr rei is the new 'highly impractical but devastating' lead that's honestly just really bad, use a better leader type.

kali kaworu is new age king of color but fuck it i like yuna more

etc. all that matters
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 22, 2016, 08:24:16 PM
Oh dang, I missed that Shinji Scheat cares about attackers, not machines. And buffs HP. That's actually fairly legit. There are some solid blue attackers.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Mеа on December 22, 2016, 08:51:25 PM
Reimyr x Myr pairing leaders can always be a thing for a little bit more consistency. With 75% shields, there really isn't much that's scary.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 22, 2016, 08:59:56 PM
At that point I'd rather just play ReNeptune a lot of the time. 75% shield that can't run out of fuel and hits hard enough without much effort. I dunno, Rei doesn't seem worth the trouble. I might feel a lot better about her if her active was less counterproductive.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 22, 2016, 09:31:39 PM
Collab leads have been like that for quite a while, sadly. Enormous potential, but not enough sustainability to be worth any of the hype they generate. At least Noctis has boosts to HP/RCV and Rei has the heartcross, it's more than what kenshin can offer :v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 22, 2016, 10:12:19 PM
I mean... Kaworu just looks legit amazing though. He's not too complicated AND super bulky and strong.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 22, 2016, 10:25:59 PM
I mean... Kaworu just looks legit amazing though. He's not too complicated AND super bulky and strong.

My only thing holding back his rating is him being a color lead.

He's good, make no doubts.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 22, 2016, 11:56:59 PM
After finally taking a good look at the cards' stats/skills/updates to old cards I can truly have a full opinion set on these:

Mark 9:  Neat active, too slow.

Misato Leilan:  Still worse than ALeilan, but a neat attempt.

Mari Ceres:  GH you jerks.  What a waste of that art.

Asuka Yamato:  Awakenings aside, an upgrade to Takeru if you can field enough Attackers, though the slower active is sorta annoying given it's just slowed down by a time extend effect.

Shinji Scheat:  Interesting.  Seems a little weak for a lead but the active is definitely interesting.  Might be appealing for people who somehow get him but don't have the real deal.  Being (as expected of a Scheat cosplayer) TPA focused makes him a bit more limited for water though since that's primarily rows.  (though some notable cards ARE water and have either TPAs or a hybrid setup)

Kaworu Kali:  Active is slow, but strong.  Works well with any God and/or Attacker filled rainbow team as a sub since it primes you for a boosted burst.

Rei Myr/Miru:  Too much.  Active is carbon-copied from Miru's like the last clone(BMiru), LS is really hard to activate fully but is way over the top if you do.  Delete.

Asuka:  Still almost Hanzo-tier HP, still piece of crap active.  Stays in the trash.

Mari:  Still worthless.  Too weak, offers nothing of real value.  Really wanted SOME kind of extra effect instead of the nigh-useless damage it does.  Stays in the trash.

Rei:  Still pretty bad but not QUITE as useless as other silvers.  Doesn't make her good though and most teams can easily hit full SBR these days anyway.

Kaworu:  Needs more Awakenings.  Extended effect seems interesting only due to the long duration but still looks pretty horrible.

Shinji&Kaworu:  Greatly improved, that active combined with that really powerful LS should make people with them happy.  Good upgrade.

Misato:  Krishna lite.  Not horrible but not amazing LS-wise.  Hot dang that Atk increase bolstered by a third TPA though.  Gonna do some damage.

-

Still not gonna get me to roll this thing, nope.  Only stuff worth much is super rare and thus best ignored unless you already have it or hate your stones.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 23, 2016, 12:32:55 AM
Misato Leilan:  Still worse than ALeilan, but a neat attempt.

can inherit onto actual leilan for a straight upgrade if you don't want to use a heart board instead

Rei Myr/Miru:  Too much.  Active is carbon-copied from Miru's like the last clone(BMiru), LS is really hard to activate fully but is way over the top if you do.  Delete.

I seriously think that's just rei's head shopped onto it, that's how lazy this is
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on December 23, 2016, 01:14:17 AM
Kaworu Kali looks more like an Eschamali cosplay...
I only realized it was DKali after reading the little "DKL" in the corner.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Mеа on December 23, 2016, 09:09:04 AM
Just also realized that reimyr only has 3 fingers to myr's +2 second active. Not only is it less time, that's three whole slots being taken up by something her original had in her ls.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 23, 2016, 09:08:14 PM
Goddamn, yeah, that's... Really not good. Didn't even notice she lost the extend.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 23, 2016, 11:29:28 PM
So earlier I was trying to figure out how I would go about making a Kali Kaworu team and not really coming up with much given his restrictions. But it turns out Hinomitsuha is probably a pretty solid sub for him with the right typing, good stats (weighted away from RCV and toward HP given his multipliers), great rainbow awakenings, and a horrible active but on a short cooldown to inherit other stuff onto it. Not bad at all.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 24, 2016, 08:11:31 AM
i have said this many times and will continue to say it

no skyfall is a FUCKING STUPID MECHANIC
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 24, 2016, 08:13:49 AM
Really? What don't you like about it? As restrictions go it seems like a very non-invasive one.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 24, 2016, 08:20:59 AM
i mean it's not like it's been a core mechanic of the game since day one after all

i'm so used to setting up my board for combos in skyfalls and now they just never come, so you never get those moments that totally make or break the round-- my luck is worthless here. and then you have the bullshit in the kuramitsuha dungeon that just keeps you from getting ANYTHING workable and you're just perpetually fucked all the time

also gee thanks gh i sure do love it when dungeons completely fuck one color over to the point where it's damn near unplayable <_<
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Pesco on December 24, 2016, 10:35:22 AM
> Use Tifa for bigger board
> Combo shields? No problem!
> Get rekt anyway because bad at game :<
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 24, 2016, 11:39:50 AM
Coincidentally Fenrir had a pretty good time against the new descend.

(http://i.imgur.com/cNiVqbX.jpg)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 24, 2016, 12:41:17 PM
Matsy:. Do you mean wood because of UmiYama?  If you have good RCV you can stall out the absorb shield and then waste them as long as you manage heartmaking actives well.(or just delay them later on). The no skyfall thing is a challenging thing to deal with and I noticed how much I sometimes count on em myself when I played, but in the end it's certainly one of the least annoying mechanics they could come up with 
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 24, 2016, 01:00:24 PM
yeah it seems Matsy and I have both been using Reincarnated Ceres recently, so Sachi Bros are a giant middle finger for no reason

If I was really good about using Perseus and Ishida I could probably survive but like it's not a fun battle that I'm willing to try
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 24, 2016, 02:00:05 PM
i mean it's not like it's been a core mechanic of the game since day one after all

i'm so used to setting up my board for combos in skyfalls and now they just never come, so you never get those moments that totally make or break the round-- my luck is worthless here. and then you have the bullshit in the kuramitsuha dungeon that just keeps you from getting ANYTHING workable and you're just perpetually fucked all the time

I mean... Honestly nothing here sounds that objectionable to me personally. I don't mind designers temporarily goofing around with core mechanics, luck factors being minimized, or the way people have learned to play the game being fucked with.

Out of curiosity which recent dungeon restrictions have you liked? How did you feel about Kephri's locked time or the six-star enhance dungeons? Or like, rogue dungeons for that matter? Do they divide up into categories that you like and dislike?

also gee thanks gh i sure do love it when dungeons completely fuck one color over to the point where it's damn near unplayable <_<

As for this, it's like the blue Shieldras in Diagoldos. If you want to bring the color they don't want you to bring then you gotta bring the bluk. It'll be an annoying speed bump, but it definitely shouldn't be able to kill you.

Yeah, I kind of wish they wouldn't do that (especially when the excuse for black being so much better than the other colors in a baseline sense for so long has always been "black gets hosed more than the other colors" but it rarely does in a relevant way).

Edit: And yeah, it really does feel like it's for no reason. It's not like green is otherwise super overpowered in this dungeon, so like... Why though?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 24, 2016, 02:22:05 PM
> Combo shields? No problem!

(http://i.imgur.com/1Vk7ngy.png) (http://i.imgur.com/GJLfBNu.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/HCLW2GF.png) (http://i.imgur.com/iVaJL6Q.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Pesco on December 25, 2016, 01:53:46 AM
I went in with Krishna and suddenly I got gud.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on December 25, 2016, 12:40:26 PM
Oh hey, it's Christmas in most places now, isn't it?

I did a last-minute JP roll and got a third Hatsume. At least I have two Hakus and Pollux/Castor on that account.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 25, 2016, 01:08:56 PM
merry christmas buttheads

(http://i.imgur.com/TQvMYBr.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 25, 2016, 03:04:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lv8lGSPl.png)
Mery crimbo to you too, you crazy person you.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Thaws on December 25, 2016, 04:00:47 PM
Hey look
We finally got our Damage Absorb negation active skill, and it's on a 6 star GFE body with a Raita illustration. :V
They sure know how to make money.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 25, 2016, 04:05:31 PM
Quote
Buff to old collab monsters
Week 1 (7th Jan) : Hello Kitty Collab
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: Hikarin on December 25, 2016, 04:15:19 PM
Cool I'm done rolling.

Also, are we getting the Collabs back, or are they just getting buffed?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - GFE Imouto Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 25, 2016, 04:19:59 PM
When they say "Week 1" I imagine they'll go through individual collaborations for a week and then move to the next one

But that's just my assumption so
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 25, 2016, 05:04:41 PM
Final Christmas roll and I got what I wanted.  Forget your 8* chase cards I just wanted this.

[attach=1]
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on December 25, 2016, 05:53:09 PM
Too bad we'll never get the one card that can make use of that tama.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 25, 2016, 07:21:51 PM
They exist now. Reincarnated evos take 16 million exp.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 25, 2016, 08:03:26 PM
memorial tama is better as laser anyway
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 25, 2016, 08:12:10 PM
He's better as a weird chubby guy who just bounces around your box makin' goofs and havin' himself a time.

(I don't have one yet, I'm at like 920 days.)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on December 25, 2016, 11:38:56 PM
ohhhh mann you can sell more than 10 monsters at once now, since when?? thank you thank you for this simple convenience I've been wanting for the longest time hs
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on December 26, 2016, 12:18:07 AM
I meant Key, colleague of Formula and Plan.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/comments/5k9v6l/rodin_more_like_rowdin/

Anyone know if Rodin's skills changed?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 26, 2016, 01:58:02 AM
I meant Key, colleague of Formula and Plan.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/comments/5k9v6l/rodin_more_like_rowdin/

Anyone know if Rodin's skills changed?

His active will never change. All the pushbutton people would get their undergarments tied into moebius strips
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 26, 2016, 01:59:22 AM
Oh hey, Reptune can probably do Machine Hera! I should give that a shot!

Hey, this is going great!

-47,036 damage red preempt

...Fuck.

Uh... Nevermind then. Remember when I was saying Rinerva was better than Reptune..?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 26, 2016, 05:10:41 AM
Uh... Nevermind then. Remember when I was saying Rinerva was better than Reptune..?

it's almost like they're specialized leads or somethin'
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 26, 2016, 05:37:35 AM
Well I wouldn't mind throwing a shield on here if Reptune's active was... Less bad, but it isn't less bad. I imagine Rinerva can probably comfortably afford a shield. I mean, she doesn't HAVE a shield in-color (Phoenix Rider I guess) but neither does Reptune, so it's Susano inherits regardless.

The specialization honestly doesn't matter often, generally you can just burst the shit out of anything you don't resist, but pre-empts and resolve are their two sort-of-weaknesses. Because regardless of their resists, which obviously are a huge deal, their multipliers are also really, really good. At least Reptune sometimes deals with resolve by virtue of poison.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 26, 2016, 03:14:53 PM
They're fucking buffing Gremory? SERIOUSLY? What kind of benevolent god would allow this to happen? I mean, I guess they buffed Myr, so why the fuck not?

I'll admit though, Rorochi getting god type is kind of a huge deal. There's a lot of stuff that cares about that.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 26, 2016, 03:20:43 PM
It was a stream just like the myr buff so yeah :v What's next, ALB buffs?
Although the buff will likely be revised since the original Grem can't deal with soapdeath anymore.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 26, 2016, 03:39:08 PM
It was a stream just like the myr buff so yeah :v What's next, ALB buffs?
Although the buff will likely be revised since the original Grem can't deal with soapdeath anymore.

I love how you can tell the shit competence of the designers when:

"ok shit we can't add more damage onto stuff to deal with our 9 digit hp bosses because of one specific enemy with a stupid mechanic"

"ok let's just undo the damage instead of fixing the dumb mechanic"
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 26, 2016, 08:04:36 PM
>Active: Voids enemy damage absorbs for 1 turn

>Active: Voids enemy damage absorbs for 1 turn

fujin best
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 26, 2016, 08:59:52 PM
Wow I shouldn't have gone into challenge 9 blind

(https://imgur.com/RoOonmu.jpg)

Thanks to Ganesha for letting me survive both DMetama and Ilsix's bullshit
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 26, 2016, 09:55:00 PM
>redmory rises

AHAHAHAHA RED RISES AGAIN MOTHERFUCKERS


...besides the fact overall the color is fucked because redmory is limited

I love how you can tell the shit competence of the designers when:

If anything it's more against them that it took so LONG to have one.

I have no fucking qualms besides I wish they had this integrated into the design of the mechanic as a whole.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 26, 2016, 10:10:34 PM
So I'm sorry, I missed it. What was the change?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 26, 2016, 11:25:13 PM
So I'm sorry, I missed it. What was the change?

No details yet. But like bmyr i'm celebrating the fact that redmory is gonna prolly get buffed.

....red is still ded but still.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 27, 2016, 01:36:29 AM
if anything, red row is gonna be pretty scary with the new split ult ROdin and his 6 rows

but at the same time, we're at the point where the game punishes you for being too strong so if your leader doesn't have some pretty great survival boosting it's still gonna be rough
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 27, 2016, 02:10:04 AM
split ult ROdin

Normal form is more useful if you slap a bind inherit on him, honestly. Row counts are so inflated in red that he's not needed. It's more of what's always been wrong with rodin.

XMas Haku is really the biggest thing for red lately imo- She's potentially a better combo than Leilan is color-wise, even though A. Lei is a far better card in the overall.



Chiyome is still basically a better sub than Minerva though so whoops maybe not.

At least we have xmas bei

>worst krishna

OKAY ATLEAST WE'RE GETTING UNIQUE AND NICHE USEFUL THINGS FOR ONCE

XmasBei and XmasHaku don't feel optimal for us, but I think they're potentially good in the right places. and XmasBei is still top 5, by a pretty fair amount, so we're getting NEW things and that's

really helping us. Red could be the color of 2017 if enough people channeled their energy into the spirit bomb. Like those 4 cards from xmas, while not enough, ACTUALLY improved the shit out of red imo.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 27, 2016, 03:59:17 AM
Red could be the color of 2017 if enough people channeled their energy into the spirit bomb. Like those 4 cards from xmas, while not enough, ACTUALLY improved the shit out of red imo.

people just want to channel their energy into the radra bomb
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 27, 2016, 04:57:20 AM
people just want to channel their energy into the radra bomb

if they do maybe one day he'll be actually good.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 27, 2016, 12:41:08 PM
Only he uh...actually us, for people good enough to play true rainbow?  Your (self-admitted) prejudice against color match doesn't make it not good(I hate it too but ai recognize its power all the same).  Restrictive, but most high end teams are.  His super ult takes care of a lot of issues he once had that dropped him from the meta from what I can see.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 27, 2016, 02:07:11 PM
But surely if we acknowledge RaDra as good we have to give some credit to Sacchis with their much lower low-end damage and much higher high-end damage. But they're "just a spike lead" so surely we can't do that...

Super ultimate RaDra is another story entirely, although at that point I'm honestly not really convinced he's better than NepDra anymore, since both of them are "all the damage"-tier and NepDra is quite a bit more flexible arguably. An active without a very long cooldown definitely counts for a lot though.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 27, 2016, 08:13:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/E2Ewtc1.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/sWmf3x5.png)

Well, I think that was the highlight of my PAD year.

Top combo: 25
Total damage, not counting damage resist: 394,445,796
Total recovery: 2,160,976
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on December 27, 2016, 08:17:36 PM
Only he uh...actually us, for people good enough to play true rainbow?

the joke is that, yes, but he's so wildly impractical and shit he's actually only the option for people bad enough at the game they can't make actual teams

:badumpish:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on December 29, 2016, 04:43:06 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/C94fdiZ.png)

Do the red ones even drop on Mythical??
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 29, 2016, 05:08:42 AM
Needing the farmable grimoires is a pain. You either submit yourself to a 1/3 chane of seeinf the one you want or you go to other dungeons for them (Aamir for Theurgia, Myr/Indigo for Paulina or Scarlet for Armadel) with lower rates of even getting the drop.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 29, 2016, 06:44:22 AM
Honestly I've used Piis on Grimoires before (specifically Christmas Paulina and Summer Armadel). They don't take that many skillups to max, at least relative to other farmable monsters, so getting the last couple skillups through other means doesn't hurt TOO bad.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on December 29, 2016, 07:33:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ukJ18hr.png)

I got 10 today and I think 3 before my hiatus.  Never gotten a red ever.  If Shiva was my main I'd really be angry.

I'm just happy I have this team that can easily and reliably 0-stone mythical dungeons.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on December 30, 2016, 08:05:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/lW8nGif.png)


Come on Friday already.  I need those dubs!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 30, 2016, 04:34:01 PM
I'm now a single Blue Keeper off from having all of my Ultimate Neptune Dragon mats in order. Do we have any guess as to when he'll be available? And can anyone confirm that he really does need non-ultimate Noah to evolve?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on December 30, 2016, 07:25:40 PM
Wow day 1 ge sounds amazing. Only greco romans, of which I have not a single one of, with 5x gfe. I've gotta roll this at least twice, which is really sucky since new years, heroine, and potentially eva rems are riiight around the corner.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 30, 2016, 07:44:15 PM
Aaaah oh nooo that's an AMAZING godfest but I want to save up for Evaaaa! I already have two Greeks (Neptune and Venus) and would like to have the others. Not sure if I'll pull or not, but everybody who isn't explicitly saving up and doesn't own all of these definitely should. Especially since while Revo Hades isn't great, infinite copies of Hades for the skill inherit IS good.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 31, 2016, 08:41:27 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/MEyQnD9.png)

Third row from the bottom, second from the left

I HAVE THE BRIGHTEST DOG
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on December 31, 2016, 08:46:31 AM
rolled three times:
- to fire weapon series ok next
- SARIA
- white jamdog

I'm supers tempted to roll again but considering that my goal all this time was getting saria, I should quit while I'm ahead I'd say. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on December 31, 2016, 09:17:41 AM
Dammit I wanted Saria.
-Gryphon Rider troll gold.
-Masamune troll gold.
-Gadius dupe
-Parvati

I didn't have Parvati before but I can't help considering her a troll gold since green is my dump stat. Frickin wood carnival.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: trancehime on December 31, 2016, 10:17:24 AM
the joke is that, yes, but he's so wildly impractical and shit he's actually only the option for people bad enough at the game they can't make actual teams

:badumpish:

idk man fujin is a thing now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZaqBGAzaF4
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on December 31, 2016, 01:58:24 PM
i got green wee jas the only silver egg i cared about oh and i got an aten which seems ok. i cant see myself ever using him for anything unless they released a damage increase based on the number of killers your team has :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 31, 2016, 02:11:39 PM
but
aten

he's the killer queen
and I need him
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on December 31, 2016, 04:34:48 PM
One roll:
-Neptune
I guess that's fine.

In other news... New Years gacha has a new Spica, but she's sorta meh. I got her in my free JP roll. She's like Christmas Pollux/Castor, but she's L/G and has respective awakenings.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on December 31, 2016, 04:36:33 PM
Aten worship is filthy (https://www.tswdb.com/lore/bestiary-lore/cultists).
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 31, 2016, 05:01:56 PM
Did one pull even though saving for Eva because everyone around me was doing it.

(http://i.imgur.com/x7oszai.jpg)

YUS.

WHY DOES THE GAME LOVE GIVING ME BLUE GFES SO MUCH.

INSTANT HYPERMAX.

One roll:
-Neptune
I guess that's fine.

Hey now, Neptune is great!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 31, 2016, 07:09:29 PM
>Kali #43289479102384723
>Dark Dragon Swordsman or whatever the fuck
>Leeza #31982372198372190387123098712938719082

i give up on this fucking thing lol
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 31, 2016, 07:20:21 PM
Dragon Swordsman is a great pull if you don't already have that one.

Actually weirdly I haven't seen ONE Greek pulled yet out of like 15 pulls that have been done in front of me today. Lot of golds, lot of Greek 2.0s weirdly, no Greek 1.0s.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 31, 2016, 10:21:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/x7oszai.jpg)
Oh so we're doing this now?

(http://i.imgur.com/SEIqAht.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 31, 2016, 10:23:54 PM
Woah. Suddenly a jillion Sherias? Kind of makes me want to do something with my own, ahaha.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on December 31, 2016, 10:46:04 PM
I can probably make him do some damage too so he might be fun to mess with.  No survivability makes me twitch but I guess I just have to put the right subs in instead to counteract that.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on December 31, 2016, 10:55:41 PM
I wouldn't even consider leading with him. He seems like an awful lead. Potentially interesting sub though. And it might be fun to try him in co-op as a leader for novelty I guess.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 01, 2017, 01:41:46 AM
Oh, I just figure I can probably use stuff like Karin and make him crap out buckets of damage.  Not useful for too much but infinitely better than similar 7.5x leads IMO(Kali, etc) due to the ease of which he can generate massive damage if I play right.

Having like ALL the Healer/Phys cards almost I might even get away with it, haha.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 01, 2017, 03:39:24 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/2roHekv.jpg)

I tried some other, more meta teams first, but they all fell short. For some jobs you just gotta trust your husbando.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on January 01, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
So since I actually can't tell, which ilm ult is better as a lead?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: trancehime on January 01, 2017, 12:23:56 PM
So since I actually can't tell, which ilm ult is better as a lead?

dragon killer ult has a better leader skill

Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 01, 2017, 12:46:17 PM
don't give up and suck it up

(http://i.imgur.com/qbNngYU.jpg)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on January 01, 2017, 03:47:17 PM
I was tired so I dumped stones on Day 2.

-Marine Rider
-Ceres
-Marine Rider

Somehow that was unfulfilling.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on January 02, 2017, 02:41:17 AM
Put me back on the list please.
O4rfish: 389,956,257 (Ilm, rMinerva*)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 02, 2017, 07:18:05 PM
beating on wadatsumi is fun

(http://i.imgur.com/fbRK8se.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on January 03, 2017, 12:04:12 AM
Put me back on the list please.
O4rfish: 389,956,257 (Ilm, rMinerva*)

I'll do that within the day AKA when I have an actual computer to post with. Done :3

Also Chirei how even.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 03, 2017, 03:45:04 AM
Also Chirei how even.
Something something the absolute madman.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 03, 2017, 03:48:02 AM
Eventually you learn to just stop asking questions.  It's easier that way.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on January 04, 2017, 03:02:14 AM
Please add an asterisk to my Ilm :3
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 04, 2017, 03:56:19 AM
(https://imgur.com/a5ulQO4.jpg)

Fenrir Viz is legitimately the coolest thing. <3
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 05, 2017, 12:49:51 PM
How often will Gungho Collab be returning to the pal machine? Should I be saving pal points right now ir is it safe to spend them?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on January 05, 2017, 02:09:11 PM
Based on JP, it should be back in a few weeks or something. I'm just spending those points whenever I get close to 25000, so that I don't waste them.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on January 05, 2017, 10:18:59 PM
Gungho owns Broccoli.  Why have they never done a Di Gi Charat collab?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 05, 2017, 10:27:33 PM
You know what thing gungho owns that they should make a collab with? Grasshopper Manufacture. Where's Sir Henry Motherfucker and Shouko, schoolgirl president of neo japan?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on January 06, 2017, 12:22:16 AM
what about disney magical kingdoms :derp:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 06, 2017, 08:39:07 AM
POMPOMPURIN IS AN X20 LEAD NOW

He's still got quartered recovery but like
who the fuck cares

that's what percent heal actives are there for
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on January 06, 2017, 09:55:54 AM
If that's not an error then Greatest Dog really is pretty much the biggest spike in the game so far with a potential of x1200, right? X20 for both leads makes x400, x3 with active?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 06, 2017, 11:24:12 AM
Seems to be the case. The extra SBR is super useful, and it seems like his stats will be brought up to par instead of like 710 weighted.

Truly, the greatest dog.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 06, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
purin became fenrir with no jammers wtf

also incoming possibly giant compensation for NA tomorrow
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 06, 2017, 01:53:36 PM
Compensation details:

-3 super king golds for countdown dungeon info error (for people with accounts made before 1/1)

-1 stone per Bleach pull made before a fix, plus 1 for everyone with accounts made before...12/26 I think it was?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 06, 2017, 05:36:38 PM
(https://imgur.com/XAixQef.jpg)

I'm envisioning this with x400 instead of x12.25 attack.

This is the dream, guys. And it's becoming real.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on January 06, 2017, 05:45:57 PM
Envision it with 1200x.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 07, 2017, 03:16:39 AM
bye

(http://i.imgur.com/TPmiJ5H.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 07, 2017, 05:41:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/tQnAkex.jpg)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 07, 2017, 05:44:17 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/XZIE4AK.png)

Get out of here, nerd.

First time using Ragnarokdora in a legitimate dungeon. I liked having access to a Dragon Killer, as well as God Killer on a third color.

Orochi does so much damage that he doesn't need any killers, of course.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on January 07, 2017, 08:37:22 AM
dog strong (https://youtu.be/7H8gWfHwfZY)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 07, 2017, 08:54:59 AM
dog strong (https://youtu.be/7H8gWfHwfZY)

Fenrir might be a God Killer but Purin is a Killer Dog
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on January 07, 2017, 09:39:29 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/jiiBK7L.png)

Took me 2 tries each difficulty, but Ilminerva is really strong against Serket's dungeon. 
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 07, 2017, 01:22:06 PM
So the new tournament was announced and wtf who the fuck puts a predra in there and decides it's a good idea
Like literally, a single one
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 07, 2017, 01:59:39 PM
So the new tournament was announced and wtf who the fuck puts a predra in there and decides it's a good idea
Like literally, a single one
Better than the ones that had two colored ones right?  Still annoying of course.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on January 07, 2017, 05:01:43 PM
Welcome to Yamatsumi ranking dungeon, the ranking of rng and nightmares.

I remember it being the worst grind ever with me struggling to form a good team with enough Sx, can deal with the bind, effing predra, random jammer spawn on t1 (which may or may not force you to have to use an active), and of course the full elements requirement.

I recall getting into 10percent finally and calling it quits immediately.

Then again the card pool is significantly larger now (JP got this like half a year ago o__o) so I wonder if it'd be less ridiculous in this age.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Garlyle on January 07, 2017, 09:36:08 PM
 I only just got a modern smartphone and decided to try this out and it doesn't seem that bad honestly?  though I have no idea where to start learning the game beyond the obvious battle sequence mechanics
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 07, 2017, 10:14:03 PM
Well, this thread isn't a bad place, at least for stuff like team composition. Have you got any particular team you're playing at this point.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on January 07, 2017, 10:17:39 PM
I only just got a modern smartphone and decided to try this out and it doesn't seem that bad honestly?  though I have no idea where to start learning the game beyond the obvious battle sequence mechanics

Puzzle and Dragons is probably by far the best overall, and friendliest mobage if you put a gun to my head and asked me. A lot of us are just really burned the fuck out, thus why the thread can be so negative.

My full suggestion on starting would probably be hoping into the IRC channel if possible, and second option would be to just sit down and air what you're confused about/need to know to someone else.

(I also kkkinda suggest finding something like DQXQ or another easy lead as your starting roll, but rerolling is your own perogative)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Garlyle on January 07, 2017, 10:27:18 PM
(I also kkkinda suggest finding something like DQXQ or another easy lead as your starting roll, but rerolling is your own perogative)
That's the main confusion point at the moment; I'm not sure what I could get, what kind of qualities make a good starting lead, or even what the current rarity scale of the game was.  Though I'd pulled something good with a levelled Sun Wukong; an hour later was getting 4*/5* monsters from one of the event dungeons and realised that this game has probably been going on long enough that those rarities probably aren't all they're cracked up to be; Inevitable Gacha Creep and all

So I guess to put it into practical questions:
-What actually is the rarity scale for drawing stuff in this game?  Not that I plan to reroll (sun wukong too cute and also it's too much effort), but should I be getting excited over 5*?  6*?  10*?  Legit don't know currently.
-How enhanceable are the things I draw?  There are some games where top tier stuff just gives you a leg up and lower tier stuff can match it with a bit of extra time and resources; is it worthwhile to sink effort into something I might be attached to for stupid reasons (sun wukong too cute) or should I brace myself for the "ditch it in favour of more stars"

I'm not even worried so much about trying to perfect specific teams or anything since I'm still floundering in Day 1 status; just trying to get a grounding point.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on January 07, 2017, 10:57:40 PM
1. I don't think there are a whole lot of things 9* and up, and it's incredibly rare (and not even always worth it) to roll an 8*. A lot of 6* and 7* cards exist, and those will likely be the ones you both use the most and draw the most. Rarity in itself does not determine how good a card is, unless it's 4* and under. Even some 7* cards are worse than certain 6* cards. For example, my 7* main lead is considered a really bad lead by a lot of people, and Alraune (6*) is amazing in a lot of ways. Whether it's a sub or a lead will also contribute to if it's good or bad. Bestcat Bastet is a really good leader, but as a sub she's kind of pointless because her active skill is lame on most teams.

All rarity truly does is determine if something's skill can be tacked onto another card, and that's likely not something you'll be doing for a while, so don't think about it. 5* and above cards are your friends for general use. Sun Wukong is a decent card, so hold onto him.

2. "Ditch it in favour of more stars" doesn't exist. Seasonal events are a testament to this, with 8* cards being about as good as the majority of 6* cards. Almost any REM-exclusive is worth sinking resources into, and even some farmable cards (Alraune, Valkyrie) are worth dumping things on. For the most part though, the "lower tier stuff" is used as a submonster on the team of a "top tier stuff".
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 07, 2017, 11:07:39 PM
Stars are semi-meaningless for rarity since farmable and gacha cards use the same star system, but aren't equivalently difficult to get at all. Basically in many situations stars are arbitrary.

Buffs to old cards are rolled out very consistently, so many gacha cards are very, very upgradeable. Basically just about any pantheon god or godfest exclusive (it's slightly tricky to tell what counts as either of these categories, but Wukong is a pantheon god) is more or less guaranteed value.

Wukong is a decent starter I think, and he transitions into being a great sub by the endgame. He's got some great farmable support too, so yeah, he's very worth investing in.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on January 07, 2017, 11:12:07 PM
Basically, high numbers of stars indicate relative power level, and a high ID number indicates it's recent, but cards metamorphose into other cards so you have to use the database to find which cards can metamorphose into other cards. 

1071 Sun Wukong 5* can turn into 2660 8* so that's pretty good.  He's a good REM sub for a certain farmable endgame lead.  He himself is a decent midgame lead, but he's not good in the early game.
Things you have to grok: REM vs farmable; Lead vs Sub; the "evolution" system; early game, midgame, lategame.

REM means you get it from the rare egg machine; these cards are generally the ones that get further buffs as time goes on.  Farmable monsters can be gotten from dungeons.  Stars on REM monsters indicate a certain power level, but stars on farmable monsters don't mean as much.

A team has 1 lead, 4 subs, and 1 friend lead.  The leader skills from your lead and the friend lead will both be active, so if your lead says x2 attack and the friend lead says x3 attack, your eligible monsters will have x6 attack.  Your leader will be used by other people, so if it's good then you'll get more friends.  Good subs will take advantage of the leader skills and have high stats and useful active skills. 

Most cards in the game are food for your good monsters.  You feed them to level up your cards, and you use them as reagents to metamorphose them into higher forms.  You need to check the database to see which cards can turn into good stuff, and which cards are food.

The early game is when you don't have very many useful monsters.  A good earlygame leader can carry you through most of the normal dungeons and half of the technical dungeons.  In the midgame you have most of the parts of a few good teams, and you are trying to refine them by improving your monsters and getting monsters from some special dungeons.  In the lategame, you have many friends with the friend leader you want, and you are trying every special dungeon there is. 
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on January 07, 2017, 11:20:03 PM
Don't forget Annihilation.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Garlyle on January 07, 2017, 11:43:27 PM
Alright, that covers things pretty well, thank you!

I suppose the only other thing then is just to ask related to gacha: is it all that big a deal when I choose to use REMs?  Should I save for collab events I'm interested in or other speciality circumstances, or is it okay just to plug as I get them?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on January 07, 2017, 11:49:36 PM
Alright, that covers things pretty well, thank you!

I suppose the only other thing then is just to ask related to gacha: is it all that big a deal when I choose to use REMs?  Should I save for collab events I'm interested in or other speciality circumstances, or is it okay just to plug as I get them?

Bi monthly there will be godfestivals where a few 5*s get increased rates and some strong cards are added to the gacha. Generally, I would not roll the normal rem outside them.

Unless you absolutely love the IP I do not suggest collab rems at your point, nor the seasonal rems, just the free rolls you'll get when you hit like...rank 50?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 07, 2017, 11:50:07 PM
Alright, that covers things pretty well, thank you!

I suppose the only other thing then is just to ask related to gacha: is it all that big a deal when I choose to use REMs?  Should I save for collab events I'm interested in or other speciality circumstances, or is it okay just to plug as I get them?

Wait for things called Godfests. I find the best way to go is just the moment you get something solid, just try to focus on that. It becomes a lot easier to manage resources when you're not trying to build a million teams at once.

Also try the irc channel, it's much easier to feed information there, which is why this thread is kinda dead at times.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on January 07, 2017, 11:58:56 PM
is it all that big a deal when I choose to use REMs?
Basically what everyone else above me has said. Wait for godfests if you're looking for a specific card, you'll have much higher chances of getting them. Rolling off-fest is not recommended, and collab REMs you should stay away from unless you really like what's featured. If you don't plan to spend real money on the game I recommend you save up Magic Stones for REMs you're interested in. If your phone runs Android and you live in certain countries you can get an app called Google Opinion Rewards that allows you to earn Google Play Store credits by completing short unobtrusive surveys.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 08, 2017, 12:10:22 AM
by the by
if I can get through 85% of the game's content using a shitty jammer lead

you can probably get through about anything using a team that doesn't match "orbs that do literally nothing"

Well. You might not even know what jammers are at this point. But they're cool with the right lead
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on January 08, 2017, 12:12:07 AM
Remember: collab and event REMs are FUCKING TRAPS. They've become a little better over the years, but you're almost guaranteed to get junk. Always be careful when those come around.

Godfests are best times to roll. Most teams these days seem to involve at least one godfest exclusive card in some form lol
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 08, 2017, 12:23:57 AM
I wouldn't say the collab/seasonal REMs are junk and more that they just have oddly specific cards in them. FotNS has one knockout silver and Xmas has delays everywhere as silvers. It depends on what you need. Spam rolling all of them will just make you sad.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 08, 2017, 01:01:44 AM
Throwing a couple of odd pulls into collab REMs isn't going to kill you by any stretch, feel free if you want to. I'd just recommend against setting your sights on any particular monster when you do, because odds are you won't get it.

Actually that's general advice, don't get attached to things you don't own. Your odds of getting any particular monster even under optimal circumstances are bad, so it's much smarter and easier to maintain your sanity if you just get what you get and work with that. It's probably smart to target your rolls, like waiting until a godfest that overlaps a gala of tides if you like blue or waiting until a Greek godfest if you like the effects of the Greek gods, but planning ahead to get any one specific thing isn't incredibly productive.

Another thing that tends to trip up new players in my experience is trying to spread out their colors too much. Don't feel like you need to have monsters of all colors on your team just in case you only have orbs of that color available. The productive way to build teams if at all possible is generally to fill them with all monsters of the same color unless you need to spread out to activate a leader skill. Wukong should probably be using only light subs, you'll do much more damage that way.

You should also try to get your hands on as many orbchange skills as possible early on, orbchange being skills that can turn orbs of one color into another color. Some good farmable orbchanges available early in the game that you should hang onto if you see them are Valkyrie, Fairlio,- and Mystic Light Knight. If you can get your hands on those you should be set to clear any early game content, and Valkyrie in particular can be upgraded to an extremely playable form later on that's as good as a lot of gacha monsters.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 09, 2017, 04:42:05 AM
Okay, so I've got the one-shot challenge with Gaia Dragon tomorrow. What does it actually do? I still don't really understand from looking at PDX. It kind of looks incredibly harsh where you have to hit it down to like almost exactly about 50% in the first turn and then just barely more than that the next turn without going over by even a little on any sub. Is that right? I might just be reading it wrong.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 09, 2017, 05:12:38 AM
IIRC it does the first seven turns on any HP count? Dunno what happens after the second big hit, though.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 09, 2017, 05:26:37 AM
Okay, so I've got the one-shot challenge with Gaia Dragon tomorrow. What does it actually do? I still don't really understand from looking at PDX. It kind of looks incredibly harsh where you have to hit it down to like almost exactly about 50% in the first turn and then just barely more than that the next turn without going over by even a little on any sub. Is that right? I might just be reading it wrong.

body moves > charge > normal attack > body moves > charge > normal attack > darken board > gaia beam

Then if HP is still over half, skill break forever.

The moment you go under 50%, there is an unavoidable -500% gravity no matter what you do. Most people just wait seven turns (you get one turn where there is no shield), and just oneshot it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 09, 2017, 05:42:30 AM
body moves > charge > normal attack > body moves > charge > normal attack > darken board > gaia beam

Then if HP is still over half, skill break forever.

The moment you go under 50%, there is an unavoidable -500% gravity no matter what you do. Most people just wait seven turns (you get one turn where there is no shield), and just oneshot it.

PDX says the charge gives +690% damage, so I assumed that meant it would hit for 267,794 following a charge. Is that not the case? Does it actually have incredibly bad damage and the listed numbers are post-charge?

It blocks over six million, so I imagine that means to one-shot it without the shield you pretty much need to thread the needle perfectly for damage values. Is that right?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on January 09, 2017, 09:16:33 AM
Does the water dog's evil eye always hit the friend leader?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Pesco on January 09, 2017, 12:39:21 PM
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First try with a Noctis team :Seemsgood:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 09, 2017, 01:57:30 PM
PDX says the charge gives +690% damage, so I assumed that meant it would hit for 267,794 following a charge. Is that not the case? Does it actually have incredibly bad damage and the listed numbers are post-charge?

It blocks over six million, so I imagine that means to one-shot it without the shield you pretty much need to thread the needle perfectly for damage values. Is that right?

no it hits for the 50kish

you can still lower its hp lol but you'd have to do it through a -75% damage reduction
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 09, 2017, 06:43:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zem9wXyl.png)
Three OSCs, three dragons. And I guess three tamadra too :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 10, 2017, 04:25:11 AM
Yo fuck this ranking tourney

(https://imgur.com/o01lEau.jpg)

I probably won't stay in 10% with this but 20% with jams is good enough for me
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 12, 2017, 01:46:57 AM
Finally got around to trying the Yamatsumi Tournament. Used Sacchis with a Scheat thrown in to make it rainbow. Had to restart twice to one of my leads getting bound, but on the third try I cleared it and did pretty well. 8.1%. Sure that won't last, but that's fine. I could probably get a better score, but honestly not easily by a ton, so whatever. Don't really care.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 12, 2017, 12:05:51 PM
Huh! The latest JP update brings a new unannounced awakening that causes a 50% defense break when your team attacks with all 5 colors. Nobody seems to have it yet, but it's on the filters for awakenings.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 12, 2017, 01:39:39 PM
Interesting. I wonder how that stacks. Definitely sounds handy for PredDras, and more different ways of handling those fuckers is always great.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on January 12, 2017, 04:44:18 PM
having been a sakuya player back when I first started, I have to say I'm liking the soft buffs rainbow combos are getting recently, what with activating shields or enhancing recovery past a certain combo threshold.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on January 12, 2017, 08:35:58 PM
It's a nice buff really, because even though rainbow users get good multipliers, their damage potential tends to be lower since they don't tend to do rows or TPAs for boosts.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 13, 2017, 01:25:05 PM
4/5 skillups on Skuld. Nice! Same thing happened with Sherias.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 13, 2017, 05:46:57 PM
hey thaws i beat noah dragon with catte

(http://i.imgur.com/fSYNHmq.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 13, 2017, 05:49:54 PM
Bleeeeh I have to beat Gaia Dragon later but I don't want to because it takes so long to reach iiiiiit...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 13, 2017, 08:18:14 PM
Bleeeeh I have to beat Gaia Dragon later but I don't want to because it takes so long to reach iiiiiit...

there's always the option of admitting defeat
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 13, 2017, 09:09:52 PM
I dunno, we'll see. Pretty sure I can beat it if something unforeseen doesn't come up, but there's also the fact that knocking it below the 50% line is kind of RNG based because skyfalls can always fuck me. I don't need the duplicate Tamazo and as far as I know I don't need the Gaia Dragon, but I'd rather do it than not do it. Especially since it seems doable with husbando. Just wish there was a "fast forward through the easy parts" button.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 13, 2017, 09:15:10 PM
Just wish there was a "fast forward through the easy parts" button.

it's just chapter 27 and endgame back to back its ok
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 14, 2017, 04:48:28 AM
I just realized I have no Mythlits so I decided to use the rest of my stamina for the day on ten-stamina Friday Dungeon runs.

14 runs.

12 Amelits and two Topalits dropped from the last floor.

12.

Amelits.

Thanks Gungho. :D :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 14, 2017, 12:11:40 PM
My luck continues to be good bit actually terrible.

-Kano: new, completed the sticker girl set for me.  *Shrug*

-Aten: whyyyyyy

-Fenrir: Game stop.  Stoooooop.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 14, 2017, 01:21:18 PM
My luck continues to be good bit actually terrible.

-Aten: whyyyyyy

-Fenrir: Game stop.  Stoooooop.

wtf
I wanted both of those and all I got was Osiris, Balboa, and light Wee Jas
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 14, 2017, 02:32:28 PM
Kind of should save for Eva but my luck has been pretty amazing lately so I feel like one pull makes sense.

-Freyr

Huh. Neat. Didn't have, would probably use at some point.

Hmm... Fine, another one then...

-Sylph

Okay okay enough enough!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on January 14, 2017, 03:06:04 PM
Someone with an Aten test something please?  Go into 5x4 and activate Aten's active skill.  How many orbs of each type do you get?
The skill creates orbs of 7 different types, and the board only has 20 slots, so something gets shortchanged. Is it random?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 14, 2017, 03:16:39 PM
Someone with an Aten test something please?  Go into 5x4 and activate Aten's active skill.  How many orbs of each type do you get?
The skill creates orbs of 7 different types, and the board only has 20 slots, so something gets shortchanged. Is it random?
Three tests(small sample but no time for more), all three times were 2 jams and 3 of everything else.

Edit: up to 8 trials, same results each time.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on January 14, 2017, 06:19:42 PM
Rolled once, got Balboa
Had plenty of spare change so bought stones and rolled again, got Sumire.

I can be happy with this. Very happy.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on January 15, 2017, 12:19:48 AM
rolled two because whatever

>tsubaki
>fenrir viz

Ok
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 15, 2017, 01:08:42 AM
>fenrir viz

Ok

Obligatory "we should jam together" post
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on January 15, 2017, 09:05:13 AM
Alt rolls.  The only things I really want are Ilm, Minerva, and Anima.
(own: GGY, Ishida Mitsunari, Leeza, Woodbahn, Sherias Roots)

Nim, Sherias, Fire Dragon Swordsman, Thor, Rozuel, Freyja
I guess that's fine. 
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 16, 2017, 02:59:29 AM
FUUUUCK I just died to Zeus/Hera staying alive at 1% in the one-shot challenge after an extremely long grind to get that far.

Fuck this, I quit. I don't have time to do this again and I don't really want the reward. Too long, too grindy. I would've liked to have known if my strategy for Gaia Dragon was going to work but I have work tomorrow and I have other things to do.

Edit: Did a real quick run with Reptune just to see what would happen. Got to the boss in just a few minutes, but even with a 50% shield he STILL one-shotted me by a few (likes, in the tens) HP. And of course I didn't really have a plan for anything after that so I would've been fucked regardless, but still.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on January 16, 2017, 05:58:18 AM
Did the one shot challenge and was able to one shot Zeusdragon with my rukia team feels good man
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 16, 2017, 12:46:09 PM
Free roll gets Mamiya.  Not bad, one of the few things I would keep from that collab happily. 
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 18, 2017, 06:28:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UK9WwUW.jpg)

AAAAAH SO CLOOOOSE!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on January 18, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
Did you have to do very many devolutions to other branches?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 18, 2017, 07:10:01 PM
No. I did a few incidentally, but only one (that last one to get to 1500 just now) on purpose.

I have been evolving tons of stuff I'll probably never use, but that's probably not a bad thing. Means I have lots of options, and I'll need those to get the awakened skill badge. That one seems like it's gonna be a hell of a grind.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on January 18, 2017, 07:15:05 PM
How good of a myr sub is yuria? I see she's up in the mp store
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on January 18, 2017, 10:38:32 PM
How good of a myr sub is yuria? I see she's up in the mp store
That depends on how desperate you are for a Myr sub.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on January 18, 2017, 10:58:00 PM
That depends on how desperate you are for a Myr sub.
That doesn't sound like too positive markings. not much really
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 20, 2017, 04:50:19 AM
welcome to the jam (https://youtu.be/CoJsInSO3Gg)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on January 20, 2017, 11:54:17 PM
i can't believe c9/c10 was easier than c8

by which i mean i can, because that c8 team while 'fair' was really bad actually
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on January 21, 2017, 12:51:20 AM
i can't believe c9/c10 was easier than c8

by which i mean i can, because that c8 team while 'fair' was really bad actually

I thought C9 was the hardest. Both C9 and C10 took a few tries, but I got C8 on the first attempt.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on January 21, 2017, 01:39:18 AM
I thought C9 was the hardest. Both C9 and C10 took a few tries, but I got C8 on the first attempt.

I got the exact opposite result.

C9 is a really piss-easy dungeon, honestly. Nothing is a threat until tengu. Who is swole, but gives you two turns to take care of him really. Three if played right.

C10 was harder, but honestly nothing you can't deal with if you're c10-worthy.

C8 was a piece of shit because apparently heartmakers aren't in vogue or something, because god knows one would've been handy with a fucking grav-> pre-emptive combo. It's more luck than actual difficulty, and you had the one answer to the most dangerous thing in the dungeon (the elephant), but no backup if something went wrong on the first three floors due to heart luck, or if the game fucks with your elephant kill board.

Gungho's team design is legitimately more difficult than any content it can throw at me, sadly.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 21, 2017, 04:58:44 AM
I STILL haven't done a significant chunk of them because I've been busy with other stuff. I did 1-5, 9, and that's it... I'll get them tomorrow and Sunday I guess.

So what the fuck with that 750k Athena? Sure would be nice if we had JP's assloads of free MP...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 21, 2017, 05:26:31 AM
At least it's getting to the MP shop, she was originally available only through Radar via physical merch. So I guess there's a lot to save for! :v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 21, 2017, 02:42:12 PM
So what is "Super Ruby Dragon Rush" from the Ras mission rewards anyway? Unless it's like a five-stamina dungeon that drops five super kings or something it's a pretty lame reward.

In fact, even if it is that it's a lame reward compared to the bunch of max-level, ready-to-use snowglobes I've gotten used to from these things.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 21, 2017, 03:13:37 PM
So what is "Super Ruby Dragon Rush" from the Ras mission rewards anyway? Unless it's like a five-stamina dungeon that drops five super kings or something it's a pretty lame reward.

In fact, even if it is that it's a lame reward compared to the bunch of max-level, ready-to-use snowglobes I've gotten used to from these things.
It's 10 stamina for 10 super kings, so you were close. The important thing is, I hear it also gives a stone?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 21, 2017, 04:14:17 PM
It's 10 stamina for 10 super kings, so you were close. The important thing is, I hear it also gives a stone?

Clearing both Super Ruby Rushes and both versions of Ras will net you 4 stones in total, so yes.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 21, 2017, 05:50:38 PM
Oh wow, that actually is really good.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 21, 2017, 10:40:27 PM
So what is "Super Ruby Dragon Rush" from the Ras mission rewards anyway? Unless it's like a five-stamina dungeon that drops five super kings or something it's a pretty lame reward.

In fact, even if it is that it's a lame reward compared to the bunch of max-level, ready-to-use snowglobes I've gotten used to from these things.
They only gave globes when you had to use globes.  Since we've cycled all five that won't be occurring again probably.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 22, 2017, 04:36:55 PM
Well I was gonna come in here and post that C8 is the most RNG horseshit dungeon I've ever seen, but I was thinking Aflecca had 50% resolve for some reason and he, uh... Does not. NEVER MIND!

Not that there isn't a bunch of RNG, but it's more manageable than I was thinking.

Now I've got all day, a close-to-full stamina bar, and an impending rank up to clear C10. Should be good to go.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 22, 2017, 05:49:32 PM
Yeah, Alfecca is why you get Hades.  Exactly enough gravity to dispel the resolve shield.

No heartmaking makes me angry though, but I guess you are intended to OHKO each floor unless you get heart trolled vs the flame Keeper.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 22, 2017, 06:36:47 PM
C10 EZ. I swear Laila didn't work as intended, I dropped her to just below 50% on turn one and she just attacked normally and didn't skill delay me, but I'll take it.

Almost forgot to do C2 somehow, just happened to notice the challenge dungeons didn't say "clear". Oops.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on January 22, 2017, 11:51:29 PM
I got the exact opposite result.

C9 is a really piss-easy dungeon, honestly. Nothing is a threat until tengu. Who is swole, but gives you two turns to take care of him really. Three if played right.

C10 was harder, but honestly nothing you can't deal with if you're c10-worthy.

C8 was a piece of shit because apparently heartmakers aren't in vogue or something, because god knows one would've been handy with a fucking grav-> pre-emptive combo. It's more luck than actual difficulty, and you had the one answer to the most dangerous thing in the dungeon (the elephant), but no backup if something went wrong on the first three floors due to heart luck, or if the game fucks with your elephant kill board.

Gungho's team design is legitimately more difficult than any content it can throw at me, sadly.

C9 kept pissing me off because I would keep skyfalling into the mech resolve, and dealing with multiple gravities into 12k pre-empt was annoying.

C10 I just cheesed with Neptune(thanks ccool.)

C8, I dunno, I just did random stuff on it. Think I had a close call on Geist though. Kinda mean of them to showcase Awoken Okuni and throw a guy with perseverance and a status shield.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 22, 2017, 11:56:50 PM
C8, I dunno, I just did random stuff on it. Think I had a close call on Geist though. Kinda mean of them to showcase Awoken Okuni and throw a guy with perseverance and a status shield.

I mean, kinda accurate though since he's going to have to deal with that a lot. And unlike, say, Sacchis he doesn't have the open space in his teams to really easily accommodate more utility actives.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 23, 2017, 12:01:13 AM
Kinda mean of them to showcase Awoken Okuni and throw a guy with perseverance and a status shield.
They gave you Hades for a reason.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on January 23, 2017, 12:22:03 AM
They gave you Hades for a reason.

It's still fairly mean to face alfonse.

Status Shield basically is your okuni team's entire 'stall' and survival button. And Alfonse shuts down half your board in the worst way for combo leads. ESPECIALLY okuni, who does not have a multiplier below 6 combo.

Like, This is not a favorable fight for okuni, sadly. Good thing he's fucking swole, that multiplier is almost good enough I'd play him because i'm used to six combo.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 23, 2017, 12:39:46 AM
I'd have been happy if any of Satsuki/Z8/Persephone had been replaced by Haku or fuckin' Typhon. Whole board changes are more valuable than orbchangers for combo teams I feel, since the latter carries the risk of saturating the board specially if they change two colors like persephone. Do we even have a tricolor boardchange that makes hearts and is dark main, anyways?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 23, 2017, 12:45:22 AM
WE(as in, non-JP regions) don't, but dark Sonia is such a creature.  She'd work pretty well for Okuni too since she's a TPA card.

Maybe she'll get the DAthena treatment and become an MP card later?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Pesco on January 23, 2017, 12:57:15 AM
Noctis is the baller TPA lead
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on January 23, 2017, 08:59:52 AM
I'd have been happy if any of Satsuki/Z8/Persephone had been replaced by Haku or fuckin' Typhon. Whole board changes are more valuable than orbchangers for combo teams I feel, since the latter carries the risk of saturating the board specially if they change two colors like persephone. Do we even have a tricolor boardchange that makes hearts and is dark main, anyways?
Cecil is the only one I can think of

http://imgur.com/a/mdQVS
ez pz
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on January 24, 2017, 07:26:25 AM
Day 2 of normal dungeon 0 stamina in JP.

I couldn't resist the temptation and finally put together a team where I can button push Legendary earth with one-side leader as ganesha.

Well, things are pretty crazy.

Burned all stam on rubydra
-> Proceed to rank up by doing like 20 legendary earth runs, getting like another hundred of metal dragons in the process
-> Burned all stam on farming golden keepers and rainbow keepers
-> Went back to legendary earth like 30 times to rank up
-> Burned all stam on farming tamadras
-> Back to legenda(ry

I max levelled so much stuff that I had lying around the box I don't even
Easily maxed level a 16m table red card.

I wonder how much revenue they loss due to lack of stoning for stam and what made them decide this was a good idea?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 25, 2017, 01:55:03 PM
Ooh, I forgot about the metal/jewel dragon dailies and the new guerillas coming.  Lots of QoL improvements.

-Spirit Jewel Rush for three random jewels
-Awoken Materials Descended for getting the boss drops for Awoken monsters, labeled with the monster they evo.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 25, 2017, 03:20:58 PM
Dang, blue Tamazo seems really legit. We kind of already have Isis for ubindable inherit fodder, but Tamazo's stats and awakenings are different enough that I think both are merited. Will hypermax I guess.

He's bulky, he's rainbow-friendly, he'll be a great Kaworu-Kali sub if I'm lucky enough to pull him. And I don't know the breakdown on what is and isn't a good cross lead, but he might be approaching playable as a lead as well?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 25, 2017, 03:50:18 PM
I dunno how I feel about him as a lead myself but I'll probably hyper him for a skill base to plop on things due to his nice HP totals.

Considering putting Indra on him for a bit once we get the change so I can try a thing, for example.

(man that Assist update is gonna be great)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on January 25, 2017, 04:56:02 PM
v9.6 maintenance up later today it seems? now I regret selling a lot of my extra tans
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 25, 2017, 07:13:02 PM
v9.6 maintenance up later today it seems? now I regret selling a lot of my extra tans
Yup!  Lots of improvements.  A shame about the Tans but we'lll get the infestation eventually again so you can grab more.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: trancehime on January 26, 2017, 12:18:04 PM
I wonder how much revenue they loss due to lack of stoning for stam and what made them decide this was a good idea?

Revenue loss?

There was x4 EXP technicals last week, they made sick cash off of that with all the whales spamming Ganesha MHera and getting literally 800K EXP per run
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 26, 2017, 06:21:42 PM
Oh my god so many free stones... I'm gonna be so set by the time Eva Collab comes back. :D
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on January 26, 2017, 07:59:02 PM
heroine rem here i come baby six rolls

more than enough to not roll anything good
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on January 27, 2017, 01:54:23 PM
RIP
-Tengu
-Sandalphon
-Hanzo
-Tengu

All I want is Spica :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 27, 2017, 03:42:09 PM
http://www.gunghoonline.com/news/voltron-legendary-defender-to-puzzle-dragons-in-exclusive-north-american-collaboration/

Voltron announced for NA? Weird.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 27, 2017, 03:43:38 PM
-only NA-, which is even weirder.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 27, 2017, 04:27:04 PM
JP hard mode confirmed!!!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 27, 2017, 04:34:58 PM
Had a buddy who just started playing recently and loves Voltron blowing up my phone just now freaking out about this. He was like "Exclusive collabs are always super strong, right?".

I refrained from saying "Watch this be like, 6x for matching all colors with an orb enhance active and bad awakenings" or something. Gonna be reeeeally interesting to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 27, 2017, 05:12:10 PM
JP hard mode confirmed!!!

i find it ironic that they have these five mech bosses and everyone thought they were gonna form up to something big, and now we literally get to form up voltron before jp does
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on January 27, 2017, 06:49:33 PM
I was wondering how they would pull in the ny rem, but yesterday was the chinese new year so that makes sense I guess. Not rolling though. I have all these stones and nothing good to spend them on.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 27, 2017, 07:07:47 PM
Don't forget your free roll though in the mail, Mea!

In other news, Yo from the PADBT cards makes me soooo maaaad.  He's so close to being a great card.  SO CLOSE.  "Hey, let's make him have cool Awakenings, a neat active, a strong LS if you play well...and then make him blue and ask for Balanced cards."

(ノ?Д?)ノ︵ -┻━┻
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: trancehime on January 28, 2017, 02:51:48 AM
In other news, Yo from the PADBT cards makes me soooo maaaad.  He's so close to being a great card.  SO CLOSE.  "Hey, let's make him have cool Awakenings, a neat active, a strong LS if you play well...and then make him blue and ask for Balanced cards."

(ノ?Д?)ノ︵ -┻━┻

if it makes you feel better he's pretty much never going to be used as a lead, only used either as a top sub or inheritance
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 28, 2017, 02:59:08 AM
if it makes you feel better he's pretty much never going to be used as a lead, only used either as a top sub or inheritance
No I know that.  That's the PROBLEM.  His LS numbers are lead-worthy for someone like me, just he's the wrong type/color combo to do anything with em.

I mean he'd still be a fun sub, don't get me wrong, and paired with B/G Karin I could get up to some hilarious dragon killer shenanigans, but the potential was there for him to be so much more if they woulda just made him physical.

Ah well, no use complaining over yet another error GH has made with card design.  Par for the course and such.  = D
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 29, 2017, 06:20:12 AM
I'm noticing a new animation doing Kephri with Reptune just now where sometimes some of my damage numbers enlarge and flash. I'm especially noticing it with some of my subattribute attacks. What is that?

Edit: Is it a new animation for God Killer?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on January 29, 2017, 06:44:02 AM
I'm noticing a new animation doing Kephri with Reptune just now where sometimes some of my damage numbers enlarge and flash. I'm especially noticing it with some of my subattribute attacks. What is that?

Edit: Is it a new animation for God Killer?
it''s killer animation, yeah
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 30, 2017, 03:17:54 AM
can it be feb 2nd already

(http://i.imgur.com/KhI2qUz.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on January 30, 2017, 03:26:15 AM
Nope :V
Though the new Fire Emblem legitimately looks cool.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 30, 2017, 04:46:57 AM
So like

(http://i.imgur.com/n4Q6aGA.png)

A2 solo dog clear
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 30, 2017, 06:17:25 AM
No room for doubt that the dog is a conqueror.  Gonna do A3 with him?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on January 30, 2017, 07:28:20 AM
I'd like to redo my latents before going into A3 because no amount of dark resist will save me from DQ Hera even in A2 hahahahahaha

But it's also like I don't even know what any of the radar dragons do so yeah

Vishnu must have a secret awakening, Motivation Killer, because it certainly kills mine whenever I lose 99 stamina to him.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on January 30, 2017, 09:56:55 AM
there's a 5 stones for the price of 1 bundle out in the stone shop right now. Don't know where or even if they do bother announcing this but I check periodically to see if they have these ... You'd thinking announcing it wouldn't hurt.
except again i have nothing to roll for yet, not even sure if there's any other gfes I want other than eschamali atm. Then again my panda is pretty dead so even that idk.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on January 30, 2017, 11:05:46 AM
there's a 5 stones for the price of 1 bundle out in the stone shop right now. Don't know where or even if they do bother announcing this but I check periodically to see if they have these ... You'd thinking announcing it wouldn't hurt.
except again i have nothing to roll for yet, not even sure if there's any other gfes I want other than eschamali atm. Then again my panda is pretty dead so even that idk.

they announced it with the event on facebook afaik
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 30, 2017, 02:17:41 PM
New Egypt 2.0s seem really good. Reminiscent of Krishna but with worse awakenings. I own all of the ones getting new forms and use none of them, so this'll certainly be interesting.

The standout one seems to be Hathor with her double combo boosts, which IS crazy, but her lack of other awakenings like, almost at all, combined with her low-utility active, is going to out an unreasonable amount of pressure on her subs. No idea if she can do anything in practice or not.

Edit: Oh yeah, and Ryune buff incoming. Excellent news for me since I use one or more copies of her on nearly every team.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 30, 2017, 05:28:20 PM
>RVritra/RIndra revealed

>No sign of Chinese etc

Screw you too GH.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 30, 2017, 05:48:52 PM
So in reading their effects it looks like King Tans may work differently than I thought?

I understood it that one King Tan as part of a feed would guarantee all other skillups in the same feed would succeed. So if you want four Myr skillups you'd feed one Tan and four Myr.

Going off their text, though, it looks like the Tan itself gives a guaranteed skillup as long as one valid skillup material is included. So to get four Myr skillups you'd feed four Tans and one Myr, and you'd get a chance at a fifth. Is that right?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on January 30, 2017, 08:55:31 PM
I've fed one kingtan and four skillups, and I got 4 skillups.  I suppose this might just be because 4x rate, but I haven't seen anyone complain that it wasn't working.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on January 30, 2017, 10:44:04 PM
First one.  Kingtan does not skill up directly but sets the rate of all valid skillup mons also included to 100%.

Look at the skillups when you feed with a Kingtan; they will flash like Pys do.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 30, 2017, 11:38:12 PM
Their leader skill is arguably worded really badly then, but I guess it's bad either way.

"100% skill up chance when fused with Wood base card."

I can see how that would be interpreted the way it's intended, but I think "Grants 100% skill up chance when fused with Wood base card." would be a lot more clear.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on January 31, 2017, 01:26:36 PM
is anyone interested in doing machine hera or zues?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on January 31, 2017, 05:36:33 PM
>RVritra/RIndra revealed

>No sign of Chinese etc

Screw you too GH.

I was pretty surprised they got theirs so soon too, consider how late they go their awakenings.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on January 31, 2017, 07:14:59 PM
>rindra

Way to turn that awoken around, gungho. Wow. Should've made him L/D in the first place.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on January 31, 2017, 07:26:29 PM
I wonder if the new Hathor will be a viable sub, now that I think about it. Is high-ass attack and double combo boost awakenings worth an extremely niche active and shit awakenings aside from the combo boosts?

I just want to use Hathor for somethiiiing! I guess she'll at least be an interesting gimmick lead.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on February 01, 2017, 01:33:05 AM
I wonder if the new Hathor will be a viable sub, now that I think about it. Is high-ass attack and double combo boost awakenings worth an extremely niche active and shit awakenings aside from the combo boosts?

I just want to use Hathor for somethiiiing! I guess she'll at least be an interesting gimmick lead.

Well gravity can still help get under perseverance.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 01, 2017, 01:37:35 AM
How many things does 25% gravity bypass though? Alfecca? Is there anything else?

That's pretty much what I mean by "extremely niche" though. It's useful for that and virtually nothing else. And since most resolves need more damage you have an active that's useful at a tiny handful of points in the entire game. Not ideal.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on February 01, 2017, 02:40:05 AM
I wonder if the new Hathor will be a viable sub, now that I think about it. Is high-ass attack and double combo boost awakenings worth an extremely niche active and shit awakenings aside from the combo boosts?

I just want to use Hathor for somethiiiing! I guess she'll at least be an interesting gimmick lead.

Been playing around with hathor.
As a lead, she is a bit underwhelming because stuff like Radragon exists but that doesn't mean she's bad though! She's a fun lead and if more combo awoken mons gets released she's gonna get better. Right now it's in this do I combo or do I tpa lol phase

As a sub, I tried her in yuuna and oh my god the damage output lol
Hathor's been dealing 10m+ on her own whenever there's some nice skyfall
She IS the sub for yuuna
Gravity isn't too bad, it's more for bringing the enemy down 50% after you've hit them softly a few times and kill in one hit so they don't activate *insertannoying skill* under 50%
But for stuff like arena you'd rather inherit something better on her
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 01, 2017, 10:45:02 AM
Looks like the Ryune buffs from the latest JP stream race are announced. She gwts an SBR awakening, 200 ATK, 70 RCV, a buff to the on-active part of her LS (1.5x -> 2.5x) and a max cooldown reduction to 9 turns. These are pretty slight as compared to the grem buffs, but feel pretty useful. Since they're kind of a middle ground, could we be seeing hints at dragonbound ults?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 01, 2017, 01:04:41 PM
The only thing she "needed" was the lock resist. Kind of surprised to see more attack since that's already one of ger strong suits, but nice.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 01, 2017, 02:00:58 PM
Wasn't going to do any godfest pulls, but since I got five stones basically this morning I think it's fine.

-Suzaku

But... It's blue gala!

I didn't own her, so neato.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 01, 2017, 02:38:08 PM
Wasn't going to do any godfest pulls, but since I got five stones basically this morning I think it's fine.

-Suzaku

But... It's blue gala!

I didn't own her, so neato.

(http://i.imgur.com/h9g0OE4.jpg)

I will give you all these shit rolls I spent trying to roll her except phact

Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 01, 2017, 02:45:16 PM
All the cards I waaaaant! You're really tempting me to do more pulls is what you're doing.

Edit: Watched roommate pull like Hermes, Sitri, Andromeda in a row so I did pulls.

(http://i.imgur.com/jIHOG1O.jpg)

Eh... Pretty good I guess.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on February 01, 2017, 05:25:22 PM
rolled once just for the heck of it.
> blue weapon series girl
I feel like I've been exclusively getting you guys lately
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on February 01, 2017, 06:05:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/h9g0OE4.jpg)

I will give you all these shit rolls I spent trying to roll her except phact

I thought you already had one. You trying to go for one of each, or are you trying to make a system?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 01, 2017, 08:47:59 PM
I thought you already had one. You trying to go for one of each, or are you trying to make a system?

Is a green balanced card with 2 TPA. I now have all of those cards (read: 3 of them) in the game except for Robin Hood, who is honestly much better as a friend anyway.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on February 01, 2017, 10:08:05 PM
Is a green balanced card with 2 TPA. I now have all of those cards (read: 3 of them) in the game except for Robin Hood, who is honestly much better as a friend anyway.
Suzaku's red though? Is the green subtype enough? The balanced ult has killers over 2 prongs. I'm just making sure I'm not missing anything.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 01, 2017, 10:17:08 PM
Suzaku's red though? Is the green subtype enough? The balanced ult has killers over 2 prongs. I'm just making sure I'm not missing anything.

Pretty sure they're talking about the Phact they rolled.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 02, 2017, 02:05:43 AM
Suzaku's red though? Is the green subtype enough? The balanced ult has killers over 2 prongs. I'm just making sure I'm not missing anything.

oh, in that case it's just for godkiller sub, nothing fancy there
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 02, 2017, 02:48:14 PM
Took my fancy new Awoken Karin out for a spin in M+ Nordis and found her to be... Yeah, surprisingly terrible.

I'm sure my team isn't the most optimized and my Karin isn't skillmax which led to some closer shaves than it needed to, but I felt like I was always one turn away from losing after the first few floors.

I did manage to squeak it out, but the power disparity between the Chinese and the Reincarnated  Greek is nuts right now for two pantheons that are ultimately very very similar.  I know, one is further along the buff line than the other, but I guess what I'm saying is, Revo Chinese very soon plz Gungho.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 02, 2017, 03:24:31 PM
Oh hey, the data download was confirmed to contain the art for heroines.
Are your stones ready!?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on February 02, 2017, 05:32:18 PM
Were those 10 stones a pull? Some of them aren't particularly amazing so I hope they're going to be future proof and not be completely abandoned.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 02, 2017, 06:52:09 PM
Were those 10 stones a pull? Some of them aren't particularly amazing so I hope they're going to be future proof and not be completely abandoned.

They were 10 a pull, and also haven't returned since JP release.

Unless you want elgenubi I wouldn't suggest pulling.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 02, 2017, 07:10:37 PM
I hope they're going to be future proof and not be completely abandoned.
Well the 19th the JP stream will show their promised evolutions, so there's at least that!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 03, 2017, 04:20:32 AM
Took my fancy new Awoken Karin out for a spin in M+ Nordis and found her to be... Yeah, surprisingly terrible.

I'm sure my team isn't the most optimized and my Karin isn't skillmax which led to some closer shaves than it needed to, but I felt like I was always one turn away from losing after the first few floors.

I did manage to squeak it out, but the power disparity between the Chinese and the Reincarnated  Greek is nuts right now for two pantheons that are ultimately very very similar.  I know, one is further along the buff line than the other, but I guess what I'm saying is, Revo Chinese very soon plz Gungho.
Pair her with Neptune for stuff like Nordis.  Helps a lot.

Still going to be much lower damage than the effort warrants compared to most anything else, but that's Chinese in a nutshell atm so it's just something you'll have to live with if you run her.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 03, 2017, 04:26:13 AM
Pair her with Neptune for stuff like Nordis.  Helps a lot.

Still going to be much lower damage than the effort warrants compared to most anything else, but that's Chinese in a nutshell atm so it's just something you'll have to live with if you run her.

Given that she's basically shit-terrible Reptune I'd rather just run two of him honestly...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 03, 2017, 02:43:19 PM
Well fuck! We're getting EXTREME EVENT RUSH  which includes the free 390k MP and the temporary 0 cost normals. Plus, Heroines coming out the 19th! What a birthday gift :'3
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 03, 2017, 03:14:37 PM
The 19th? Oof. Eva Collab and Ultimate NepDra are gonna be later than I thought even...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 04, 2017, 03:26:29 AM
I heard you like magic stones, here, have 25 or so over the next month-ish.

Stuff's gonna be niiice along with all the other bonuses flying around.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 04, 2017, 06:13:43 AM
Is that a fixed team challenge
With a real team!?
I believe it not
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on February 06, 2017, 01:01:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aNVNbcc.jpg)


King Tans can't be fed to off-color monsters.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 06, 2017, 03:12:26 AM
Pys can't be either, to be fair.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on February 06, 2017, 03:57:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/QALUVAE.jpg)

King Tans literally cannot be fed to off-color monsters. 
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 06, 2017, 04:28:11 AM
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Same sorta thing for Pys.  Neat that they have fail-safes in place.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 06, 2017, 08:56:49 AM
i can't post pictures rn but imagine a sad 10 rolls of no elgenubi but two kuvia

and three momiji

fuck momiji
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on February 06, 2017, 09:16:20 AM
mm so heroines are up here let's see...

my haul: 2 mels, 2 mitos, 2 sheenas, a romia and a kuvia.

I suppose I could go one more time, but I don't see myself rolling 'nubi. Only the latter two seem somewhat useful and I don't even know what for. I should be feeling more annoyed but fe heroes is taking up more of my time now so  :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 06, 2017, 12:35:47 PM
I got Sheena. I assume this isn't what I want since she's a 5*, but damned if I don't appreciate a two-colored board change. Just needs a lock resist and maybe a heart row to be very very legit, but seems decent enough.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 06, 2017, 12:41:55 PM
Free roll gave me Navi.  No idea where to use her but I wanted her for cute so I win.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 06, 2017, 12:49:22 PM
Free roll was Kuvia. The rest? You could make a song out of them. Mito Mel Mel Mito Mito
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 06, 2017, 01:25:16 PM
Free roll got me Elgenubi

Maybe I'll do something with fire eventually
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 06, 2017, 03:03:22 PM
They told me there would be free stones. But I didn't realize... Just how many...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on February 06, 2017, 03:16:41 PM
I knew that there was going to be a Stone-Reward Challenge Dungeon because of JP, but it still caught me off-guard...

Meanwhile free roll gets me Mel. Her active seems kinda niche, but maybe I could use her in conjunction with Pollux/Castor.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 06, 2017, 07:37:01 PM
They told me there would be free stones. But I didn't realize... Just how many...
By my count it should be about...16-17 appearing today alone assuming you fullclear everything?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 06, 2017, 07:40:25 PM
Meanwhile free roll gets me Mel. Her active seems kinda niche, but maybe I could use her in conjunction with Pollux/Castor.

It's heart-cross team's best friend. I actually kinda want her for Bmyr now.

Or atleast her active for an inherit.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 06, 2017, 08:04:39 PM
Would Myr/Byr want that? I don't play Myr, but her active makes hearts. Based on my experience with Sumire I'd guess that any additional heartmakers would be a bit counterproductive for risk of clogging.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 06, 2017, 08:16:04 PM
Would Myr/Byr want that? I don't play Myr, but her active makes hearts. Based on my experience with Sumire I'd guess that any additional heartmakers would be a bit counterproductive for risk of clogging.

??? That is a foreign fucking concept, because of course you do. Are you expecting we pop them all on the same turn or...???

Both myr's will often suffice for a dungeon, but no yeah I would literally never sneeze at an on-demand cross because it's basically a no-risk pop for your shield when you need it without using your kill+cross changers. It's also two turns faster than Myr's and you know how much I love 5 turn cds. It's also controlled so you know where it's going to pop up and in which pattern, and it DOESN'T force you to move the moment you press the button, so I like it way more than myr's.

I'd legitimately even inherit over Myr herself just because fuck her active, actually.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 06, 2017, 08:27:01 PM
With Sumire actives that make hearts are sketchy because they don't give you ammo to actually do damage aside from making your cross. And if they do then they're hard to use because they're only useful when you don't already have hearts. It's this weird tension where you can clog your own board very easily, or end up with the wrong actives for the wrong situations.

I haven't played Myr, so I guess maybe her multiplier is so high that she doesn't need as much ammo as Sumire does. Maybe that's the difference, I don't know.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 06, 2017, 08:50:08 PM
With Sumire actives that make hearts are sketchy because they don't give you ammo to actually do damage aside from making your cross. And if they do then they're hard to use because they're only useful when you don't already have hearts. It's this weird tension where you can clog your own board very easily, or end up with the wrong actives for the wrong situations.

I haven't played Myr, so I guess maybe her multiplier is so high that she doesn't need as much ammo as Sumire does. Maybe that's the difference, I don't know.

You're literally mistaking the utility. If anything, that's a problem with myr herself in god damn, her active is so bad.

It's not a damage button. It's a defense button. It's for getting the cross on the board for defensive purposes.

I already have 3 buttons for damage and hearts, but they're 8cd and I don't want to use one of them just for hearts. That's why I want mel.

And while I have myr, she fucking sucks, and I kind of would prefer to overwrite her with something that generates ammo instead and use the quicker, safer option for panic shields.

edit: also I still don't get why you're so hung up on a 5 heart card clogging your board. If anything, that's a strike against ammo+heart makers, because you can get too many with those much easier while just trying to make ammo.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 06, 2017, 08:57:47 PM
Yeah the inherit makes sense. I think I'm just kind of hung up on your wording of you want her for "at least inheriting" which implies "for inherit if for nothing else".

So what I'm saying is, she seems good for nothing else. But for the inherit, sure. I guess we're in agreement and I'm not being clear. The active makes sense on the team, but not alongside the Myr actives. I think. 

She's generic even so she works for both Myr, although the blue one gets bonus stats.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 06, 2017, 09:09:42 PM
So what I'm saying is, she seems good for nothing else. But for the inherit, sure. I guess we're in agreement and I'm not being clear. The active makes sense on the team, but not alongside the Myr actives. I think. 

i feel like i'm being mean so actually kinda sorta

mel's awakenings suck though thus my sad
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 07, 2017, 06:20:17 PM
My roommate, who mains Shiva, has done three heroine pulls including the free one.

He pulled Elgenubi, then red Scheat, then ELGENUBI AGAIN. WHAT.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 07, 2017, 06:57:25 PM
My roommate, who mains Shiva, has done three heroine pulls including the free one.

He pulled Elgenubi, then red Scheat, then ELGENUBI AGAIN. WHAT.

Kuvia is atleast a 5*.

He can go fuck himself on elge though (even iirc she's not an amazing shiva sub specifically?)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 07, 2017, 07:31:40 PM
You are several millennia too early to call yourself the Baddest of the Bad, girlie girl. that title is reserved for ME and only me.

(http://i.imgur.com/v8unx2c.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 07, 2017, 07:34:51 PM
Kuvia is atleast a 5*.

He can go fuck himself on elge though (even iirc she's not an amazing shiva sub specifically?)

He's going to inherit one of them onto Shiva. Which seems uh fair.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 07, 2017, 09:03:54 PM
He's going to inherit one of them onto Shiva. Which seems uh fair.

I'm somewhat mixed, but if there's a slot I'd put it on I'd do that.

Atleast until she gets an op ulti and I must admonish that.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on February 08, 2017, 03:04:03 AM
I managed to beat the odds on both accounts. 
Main: Kuvia, Mel, Momiji, Navi, Kuvia, Elgenubi
Alt: Meridionalis

I'm saving my alt's stones for the real Ilm.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 09, 2017, 04:23:19 AM
I've done C9 with Reptune four times. All four times Beelzebub got his full board poison past my 80% poison resist.

I mean, once and I can't complain.

But.

This is horseshit.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 09, 2017, 04:28:02 AM
I've done C9 with Reptune four times. All four times Beelzebub got his full board poison past my 80% poison resist.

I mean, once and I can't complain.

But.

This is horseshit.

get more spd and skl
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 09, 2017, 04:38:37 AM
Even if you normally don't use her there, put Karin in.  you had her Awoken already right?

Poison immunity get.

Best way to beat the game is not to play sometimes!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 09, 2017, 04:45:53 AM
Even if you normally don't use her there, put Karin in.  you had her Awoken already right?

Poison immunity get.

Best way to beat the game is not to play sometimes!

Not sure I can get through the rest of the dungeon with Karin in tow honestly. She kind of drags down the average (or at least, she's not fantastic for Reptune). Doesn't help that C9 and C10 are just tons of red and green enemies either.

I honestly should just use husbando at this point. He doesn't give a shit about anything in this dungeon.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 09, 2017, 04:54:37 AM
Remember, 80% is 0%! Leaving anything to chance will leave you a despairing husk. If Karin is a liability you could just inherit- er, assist a board changer or poison deleter.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 09, 2017, 05:12:13 AM
No inherits in C9. It would be super easy if you could have inherits actually.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Pesco on February 09, 2017, 12:43:41 PM
Packed a RGY and proceeded to kill Echidna before the skill was ready :<.

That said, need a co-op for c10.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 09, 2017, 07:24:12 PM
yo Aoshi
Thanks for Ceres
(https://imgur.com/ZkoZ5t8.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on February 10, 2017, 02:19:48 PM
Roll 23 Kali:
(http://imgur.com/sWVUD0x.png)

+297 Pollux/Castor:
(http://imgur.com/4VeQcPv.png)

+297 Valkyrie!Ana:
(http://imgur.com/SAYuH9n.png)


I'd say that today was a good day.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 10, 2017, 03:07:11 PM
In Jp you will literally be able to fight the REM.  This game is absurd sometimes.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 10, 2017, 05:54:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Aj3ZB9q.png)

ok
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 10, 2017, 06:04:20 PM
Yaaaay +egg machine is baaack! Infinity hypermaxes! The next tier of the hypermax badge is within my grasp suddenly.


In Jp you will literally be able to fight the REM.  This game is absurd sometimes.

HA! Amazing. I heart PAD.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 10, 2017, 06:05:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Aj3ZB9q.png)

ok

(http://i.imgur.com/U9QTu34.png)

ok2combo
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 10, 2017, 08:04:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KOOuDj2.jpg)

ok 3x combo
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 10, 2017, 08:36:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KOOuDj2.jpg)

ok 3x combo

fuck im out of pal points i cant continue the chain
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 10, 2017, 09:04:56 PM
(https://imgur.com/BjpNb0T.png)
Keeping it in overtime.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 10, 2017, 09:14:02 PM
Oh shit, I didn't know she had been added. I got a second blue Kali (keeping because Kali stacking is occasionally relevant) but I haven't seen a red Sakuya yet across many people's pulls. Neat. Do want.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 10, 2017, 09:31:27 PM
would trade second Kali for red sakuya lol
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 10, 2017, 11:22:17 PM
I haven't got any of them but I have approximately 2.3 +297 holders off this and this is more important.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 10, 2017, 11:48:26 PM
only 1 297 this time somehow???

i thought i had more saved up but i guess i was wrong (Or I forgot to calculate in what I used on almost done people whoops)

might go to kuvia or ilmina, deciding on which i'd use as a niche pick more
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 11, 2017, 12:12:34 AM
I had enough to make my Awoken Susano and Meridionalis hypermaxified. Kind of want to feed up Elgenubi and Momiji as well.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 11, 2017, 12:23:59 AM
Almost enough to max out Rinoa, all of my golds were chibi LZL.  Cute as he is, the plusses are more important sadly.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 11, 2017, 05:01:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/zkwHop8.jpg)

Yaaay! Now to never use you ever.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on February 11, 2017, 01:52:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/2mxiC1X.jpg)

Well, this is new.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on February 11, 2017, 03:35:19 PM
Oh, JP gets those all the time.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 11, 2017, 10:45:57 PM
Commander, any chance you can up that Neptune of yours again in like an hour or so(about 6:45-7 EST)?  Please leave the Kushi inherit attached.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 11, 2017, 11:08:42 PM
Commander, any chance you can up that Neptune of yours again in like an hour or so(about 6:45-7 EST)?  Please leave the Kushi inherit attached.

Hopefully. I'm in C10 fighting Vishnu infinitely right now.

Aren't we best friends? Reptune should be up in my BF slot. But yeah, hopefully I'll be done in C10 soon...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 11, 2017, 11:15:53 PM
Hopefully. I'm in C10 fighting Vishnu infinitely right now.

Aren't we best friends? Reptune should be up in my BF slot. But yeah, hopefully I'll be done in C10 soon...
We are not.  Friends, but not Best Friends.  Something for one of us to fix next reset probably.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 11, 2017, 11:55:55 PM
Ugh. Had to abandon my C10 run because, as I kind of feared, Alrescha makes it virtually impossible. God Killer totally fucks this. Guess I'll have to give it another go with Reine instead. But that won't be for a few hours. Reptune up for now.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 12, 2017, 12:36:37 AM
Nevermind, I screwed up a match and got killed by something that had no business killing me, like usual.  Another day I guess.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 13, 2017, 03:08:11 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ytzuVLR.jpg)

Husbando versus his worst enemy.

Die you miserable creep. This took more tries than it had any right to.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 13, 2017, 05:15:21 AM
Had to switch roles, but either way I got my goal.

(http://i.imgur.com/2SeIJ3I.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/DyiZXAq.png)

Awoken Karin(and friends) clear Yamato Rush Mythical Plus!  I've wanted this one for a looong time after my old days of Legend Plus destroying me.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 13, 2017, 05:09:12 PM
this special REM has been pretty good to me and all the free stones have been making pulls simple

so far:
-Elgenubi
-Meridionalis
-Momiji
-Barbara

and once I finish the descended challenge dungeons I'll have enough for another. still want Ilmina and Romia because cute af

Next pull:
-Momiji

ok that's kind of annoying after all that playing I guess I'll buy one more pull, I haven't spent money on PAD in AGES

-Momiji

and that's why  :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 15, 2017, 12:34:58 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/EiVniMa.png)

gotcha
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 15, 2017, 12:47:29 AM
Oh right I pulled her a couple days ago.  Right.

To rot in the box forever because I own a pentamax of the regular version, but nice to have.  Much better recolor than the atrocious Kali variant..
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 15, 2017, 01:36:56 AM
Kali's recolor is really bad, but I confess it's nice to have a blue version of her. Dunno why, because I don't really need it, but still, the option is there I guess.

And yeah I have a pentamax ASaku as well, but I guess it's nice to like, have a red grav or something lol
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on February 15, 2017, 02:44:00 AM
Rolled Kuvia :3

Maybe I'll put her on my Antares team? Or should I give her her own team to use Krishna Helpers?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 15, 2017, 03:58:46 AM
Kali's recolor is really bad, but I confess it's nice to have a blue version of her. Dunno why, because I don't really need it, but still, the option is there I guess.

And yeah I have a pentamax ASaku as well, but I guess it's nice to like, have a red grav or something lol
I imagine anyone who likes UmiYama would get miles out of Coloring Book Kali but yeah.  As for RSaku, I suppose that's true; had there been a current-HP gravity for red that was of actual more-likely-to-be-relevant strength?  (i.e. not Dancing Queen Hera-Ur or RChester)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 15, 2017, 04:45:11 AM
I imagine anyone who likes UmiYama would get miles out of Coloring Book Kali but yeah.  As for RSaku, I suppose that's true; had there been a current-HP gravity for red that was of actual more-likely-to-be-relevant strength?  (i.e. not Dancing Queen Hera-Ur or RChester)

As someone who likes UmiYama... Meh. She doesn't provide much they want. Doesn't combine with their active in a very good way, doesn't synergize with the heartbreaker you're likely packing, and she doesn't provide white, which is the hardest color to fill on an UmiYama team right now.

Her awakenings are pretty good and a green sub might actually become fairly valuable once Reincarnated Orochi comes out, eliminating our best green option (but filling the white slot) and presumably eventually Reincarnated Isis does something similar. So maybe she'll actually be a big deal eventually, but I vastly prefer black Kali if she's available and I don't even play her right now, so... I don't know. Maybe Coloring Kali will be great on UmiYama if their sub colors get scrambled in the near future and she's definitely a passable budget option, but right now I'm pretty underwhelmed by her.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 15, 2017, 05:02:05 AM
So with the descended challenge I managed to get a possibly last roll from Heroines and well... t'was Navi. It's the only six star I've gotten so far but what can you do with her? Her awakenings are so sketchy I don't even think her UVO can be good, four SBR is overkill.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 15, 2017, 05:31:45 AM
Oof, yeah I hadn't seen the six-star Navi before now. That seems really, REALLY sketchy. Doesn't seem like a passable sub, so leading with her and a different friend seems ideal, right? What would pair well with her? Presumably a rainbow lead that gives an HP boost, not sure what fits that mold necessarily. Huh.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 15, 2017, 06:28:19 AM
I'm hoping she gets enough interesting Awakenings or some greatly improved LS so that she can actually do something.

Worst case scenario she's a light Kaliboard inherit I can use for rainbow teams without making her dad unusable since I wanna experiment with Sherias someday.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 15, 2017, 02:24:33 PM
Oof, yeah I hadn't seen the six-star Navi before now. That seems really, REALLY sketchy. Doesn't seem like a passable sub, so leading with her and a different friend seems ideal, right? What would pair well with her? Presumably a rainbow lead that gives an HP boost, not sure what fits that mold necessarily. Huh.
... Radra? :v That would give me an excuse to level that Dkali :v:v:v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 15, 2017, 02:44:43 PM
... Radra? :v That would give me an excuse to level that Dkali :v:v:v

Kiiind of? That sounds like the clunkiest and most specific team ever devised, but if you could somehow pull off all physical white TPA gods that also meet all of the color requirements and have rainbow-friendly actives then maybe? Aside from the nonbo of Navi not making hearts while Ra needs hearts... Ugh.

You could probably afford to have one or maybe even two off-color utility subs provided both are gods (Revo Orochi is a god, right?) but the remaining two would almost have to be like, double Kanna or something since your multiplier actually isn't good at all, so you'll need to rely on stacking tons of TPAs to kill stuff. With no reliable way to control the amount of white on the board.

Maybe the combo boost awakening is the key. Maybe subs and/or a friend lead that take heavy advantage of combo boost is the way to go since it doesn't lock you in to quite as specific of requirements for your subs.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 15, 2017, 05:53:29 PM
That's the other typical all-rounder suggestion for 7x6 boarders...
... Revo Horus :v
As for getting rainbow for radra I guess I could put DKali, AIsis and uh... AIzanagi? It's a super jank idea and I don't see myself using it at all really, so I'll wait for the evos this weekend to make a veredict.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on February 15, 2017, 11:55:22 PM
Combo skip is best thing.
Amazing for people slowly getting tired of the game yet still plays. :V

It will also greatly change the ranking landscape, especially non-fixed team ones.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 16, 2017, 12:18:55 AM
What's combo skip?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on February 16, 2017, 12:32:25 AM
What's combo skip?

There's a new option that skips the animation for counting combos from today's update on jp. All the combo numbers kinda just pops at the same time instead of one by one. Saving lots of time.

It will be forced on ranking. Thus reducing a great portion of the "time penalty" from making more combos.

It cannot be enabled for multi mode though.


Other quality of life updates include more sorting options, evolve selection screen differentiating cards that can evolve or devolve, and 6* and up eggs being rainbow-ish diamond coloured.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on February 16, 2017, 01:36:38 AM
that sounds like a small indirect buff for combo teams in arena
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 16, 2017, 01:39:08 AM
Ooh, new egg textures for six-stars sounds nice. I get a LOT of texts from different people I know asking me "Is this rare" with screencaps of different things they pulled. Maybe that'll help a bit. And more different things to look at is always fun.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 16, 2017, 03:35:33 AM
Is anyone else having a problem with best friends displaying as unused even when they've been used lately? It's not a huge issue, but it's mildly annoying when trying to farm pal points for the Gungho pal machine. Maybe it's been ongoing and I never noticed, but definitely noticing this week. It usually takes the form of all of my pal point usages for the day appearing to reset at some point in the afternoon even though they don't really.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 17, 2017, 05:16:56 AM
Finally cleared the arena 0-stone. I can quit pad at last.

(http://i.imgur.com/6zbbaml.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 17, 2017, 05:22:55 AM
What a fraud, there's no four pineapples at the same time
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 17, 2017, 05:26:33 AM
What a fraud, there's no four pineapples at the same time
He's a boss-tier enemy, so there can only be one on screen at once; he probably had to fight 3 more of him first.  Either that or they're all stacked on top of each other for some reason.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 17, 2017, 03:14:05 PM
Just noticed Blodin's new form is apparently out. When did that happen? I didn't stock up on masks yesterday so I can't make him right now, but honestly not really sure I'll use him regardless, so oh well. I'll make him and experiment with him next week.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 17, 2017, 05:27:17 PM
Eh.  I've looked at them and Im not impressed with the Odin splits.  Especially BOdin for having his fantastic-especially-for-a-physical RCV eviscerated.  Maybe the unbindability is worth?  If I ever get BOdin I'll look into it more I guess.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on February 17, 2017, 08:06:23 PM
Eh.  I've looked at them and Im not impressed with the Odin splits.  Especially BOdin for having his fantastic-especially-for-a-physical RCV eviscerated.  Maybe the unbindability is worth?  If I ever get BOdin I'll look into it more I guess.
He's an amazing base for inherit
4SB, 6CD active
It's a tengu with actual stats and row awakenings
It's pretty good seriously
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 17, 2017, 08:24:04 PM
And he's bindproof, so he wears a bind clear well.

Now that it's easier to take apart and reassemble inherits I'm considering situationally running either Snow White+hera or Blodin+Snow White on Gabriel's team. Snow White is still hella reliable, but I figure it's worth a shot.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 18, 2017, 02:19:24 AM
Oh shit guys.

It finally happened.

(http://i.imgur.com/M2J3aVf.jpg)

Look at how many drops there are versus how many +eggs (this is Ex Machina Descended).

(http://i.imgur.com/WKDo9VX.jpg)

Sigh... Four to go.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 18, 2017, 02:28:57 AM
Can you do Ultimate Descended Rush?  I hope you can unless you wanna throw down with the Machine Gods, because you'll need to in order to get the head.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 18, 2017, 03:04:35 AM
Yeah. I mean, bad spawns are obviously a thing, but Sacchis and Reptune can both do it fairly consistently.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 18, 2017, 03:09:01 AM
Oh, well  then carry on good sir!  Go make that robot!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 19, 2017, 12:52:38 PM
The day of reckoning is here, dandi won stream arena buff race!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 19, 2017, 01:07:22 PM
Ooh, box folders.  People have been clamoring for that one.

Also congrats Verdandi!  Ariel would have been best since she could use the most help but a Verd is fine too.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 19, 2017, 01:41:46 PM
Ooh, box folders.  People have been clamoring for that one.

Also congrats Verdandi!  Ariel would have been best since she could use the most help but a Verd is fine too.

Apparently an accident happened to Murai, so that was literally out of the question.

Verdandi killed Max Murai to assure her ascension.

We're all doomed.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 19, 2017, 02:46:35 PM
I read about that later, yea. Apparently he broke his neck or something.  Hope he recovers soon.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on February 19, 2017, 03:24:54 PM
After many days of grinding Mares...

I got a seemingly rare invade.
She's actually sort of good, apparently.

And I now have this team.
It's missing a bind healer, but it should do a lot more damage than my current team, even once I replace something with Cinderella. I'm thinking that I'll replace Ana.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 19, 2017, 06:23:24 PM
FENRIR GOT BUFFS AGAIN

WE'RE NOT JUST 625X
WE DOING 2025X
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 19, 2017, 08:22:16 PM
WE DOING 2025X

isn't that when megaman happens
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 19, 2017, 09:52:38 PM
-Three player mode? Sounds cool! Although I'm not sure what the point is.

-Rank 500 egg machine seems badass.

-More trash being removed from the REM is great.

-Lots of stuff becoming assistable is going to be amazing. Didn't take the time to get a super close look, but I see some amazing actives in there.

-Fairy Tale Girl ultimates!!

-Reincarnated Chinese seem... Good I think?

Dang, TONS of changes!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 19, 2017, 10:10:09 PM
-Three player mode? Sounds cool! Although I'm not sure what the point is.

its literally "sacrifice your friends so you can win" mode
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 20, 2017, 12:42:18 AM
Yeah 3player looks super pointless, a "carry me with your body" if I've ever seen any. We still don't know anything from the weapon 2 series, right? I'd like to see them not being as niche as the first ones, or the armored knights (in terms of building for type instead of color)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 20, 2017, 12:44:24 AM
Wow, I'm still catching up om some of the new info and much of it is very exciting.  Lots to unpack here.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on February 20, 2017, 12:49:15 AM
I guess we're not getting those fruit dragon buffs, huh?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 20, 2017, 12:55:57 AM
Seems not.  Sadness, but I guess that's how it goes.  I wonder if they're becoming droppable now outside of the gift dungeons?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 20, 2017, 07:21:56 AM
>Tsubasa Chronicle collab

I will sell my soul for a Sakura not even kidding

>Revo Astaroth, Tsukuyomi, Haku, and Sakuya

Fucking yes please
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on February 20, 2017, 08:08:04 AM
>Tsubasa Chronicle collab

I will sell my soul for a Sakura not even kidding

>Revo Astaroth, Tsukuyomi, Haku, and Sakuya

Fucking yes please

You and me both. Cardcaptors was my childhood.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on February 20, 2017, 09:55:10 AM
>Tsubasa Chronicle collab

I will sell my soul for a Sakura not even kidding
bubububu whaat?? Is this a thing? I just spent like 80 stones on that terrible heroine rem
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 20, 2017, 11:16:46 AM
Keep your pants on guys, lets wait to see if we actually get it in NA before you go selling souls and stuff, shall we?

Part of me hopes we don't for all of your sake, but the rest of me wants to see it appear since I've seen most of Tsubasa(just missing some OVAs and a movie I think)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 20, 2017, 12:13:47 PM
So I realize this is impatient as hell, but I've been anxiously waiting for months for Eva collab and ultimate Neptune Dragon and had been told they were "after heroine REM" in Japan.

Do we have any expectations as to when they'll be here at this point based on EU or Korea or anything? Should I be expecting them this week-ish, or are we talking another month from now?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 20, 2017, 01:28:14 PM
I actually don't care about Tsubasa at all. Just the association with Sakura Kinomoto is enough for me though because it's the closest to a CCS collab I'll ever get :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 20, 2017, 03:03:48 PM
Ooh, I see also buff parity for the stickers and cyberbeasts/cyberdragons.  Finally getting it right there.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 20, 2017, 03:15:01 PM
Goddamn, those buffs effect a lot of things I play a lot. And holy shit, sticker girls are legit now. They're serious competition for even the post-buff fairy tales. Plus Scheat and puppeteer buffs? And Valkyries? So much action!

Edit: Oh yeah, and I should mention how happy I am to see Gungho rolling back that awful asymmetrical buffs thing. Please never do that again Gungho.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on February 20, 2017, 03:46:33 PM
I actually don't care about Tsubasa at all. Just the association with Sakura Kinomoto is enough for me though because it's the closest to a CCS collab I'll ever get :V

^This. I thought Tsubasa had some issues. Also, I have a JP account made exclusively for times like these.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on February 20, 2017, 06:31:36 PM
>valkyrie only get stronger

You can't stop me gungho, I have grown past that dark pot.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 21, 2017, 01:56:56 AM
easy

(http://i.imgur.com/FAPLw65.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 21, 2017, 04:19:18 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/1WjQtQj.jpg)

Skillmaxed this cutie in less than a day. Now to continue not using him.

Remember when skillups were ridiculously annoying? So glad that's not a thing anymore. And yet I still always have plenty of stuff to do. Good job Gungho, seriously. Eliminating all that RNG grinding but still keeping is busy? Impressive.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 21, 2017, 06:28:52 PM
sherias roots is dumb

you have to match six colors for 110x damage but like
I could be matching five colors for 400x damage with Fenrir :)

The only good thing about Roots is that recovery boost, which isn't even that strong.

He's cool though. I might keep him in my back pocket.

Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 21, 2017, 06:46:27 PM
Yeah I kind of hated Roots from that fixed team challenge a few months ago. He seems super underpowered as a lead. Pretty neat sub though.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 22, 2017, 02:17:57 AM
dungeons that have awoken sopdet as an enemy when you run an extremely difficult to control rainbow team is the fucking worst

oh you were trying for 16x? jk sucker, enjoy 144x with them skyfalls
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 22, 2017, 04:24:32 AM
HMMMMMMM
Fenrir's God-Killer is being moved to his sixth awakening slot, while getting a time extension instead for his fifth awakening.

Considering I have three Fenrirs for this, it's very possible I could play a Fenrir in Arena that doesn't use God Killer, such that Sopdet and Vishnu are no longer instant death to appear?

Brb hypermaxing my third Fenrir
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 22, 2017, 04:06:15 PM
IT IS TIME.

(http://i.imgur.com/3mAnKgt.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/WjZN2Ge.jpg)

I know I'm late to the party, but...

<3
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: trancehime on February 23, 2017, 03:48:20 AM
Just a couple of clarifications:

* The new collab including Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle is part of the Shounen Magazine Allstars collab, which includes the following series: Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle, Fairy Tail, Shura no Mon, 3x3 Eyes and Seven Deadly Sins
* Known characters: Tsukumo (Shura no Mon), Maiko (Shura no Mon), Natsu (Fairy Tail), Erza Scarlet (Fairy Tail)
* Fairy Tale Girls won't be receiving ults, but they did get buffed to be on par with Red Riding Hood (similar to Cyberdragons, Cyberbeasts, etc.)
* Weapons 2 series and Wise Dragons series will replace Fruit Dragons, Elementals and Late Bloomers in the REM
* NA is currently undergoing the Extreme Event Rush that JP has for Hajidora, it is confirmed that the Hajidora project is going to extend to May so NA will most likely receive those bonuses as well - this includes gacha resets (R150, R250), BF reset, Present reset, Cheapo Package Deal reset in March, and also the gacha renewal (see previous point) in March. Unknown for April and May.
* 55 farmable monsters are allowed to be inherited. This is quite big as you can now get access to more heartbreakers, orb changers, utility, etc. Notable monsters include: AnaValk (Light heartbreaker + Enhance), Jormungandr (poison + board flush), Defoud (Orb changer + nuke), Cauchemar (tricolor + shield), Ninegaruda (9 turn shield)

EDIT:

Verdandi buff:

+200 HP, +100 ATK, +20 RCV
Added Machine type
Added x1.5 ATK when matching a wood cross
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 23, 2017, 02:47:16 PM
Dandi didn't get boosted to match Scoold? Whaaaaaaaaaaat
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 23, 2017, 02:51:39 PM
Sigh.

I guess this isn't a strictly worse buff though. She didn't get the same buff, but she got a different one that's situationally as good or better. I don't play crosses enough to know how significant that damage boost is. Anyone know just how impactful this will actually be?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 23, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
Well, it makes her a pretty good sub for MAthena, at least. And more stats is alsways good.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on February 24, 2017, 12:38:30 AM
Sigh.

I guess this isn't a strictly worse buff though. She didn't get the same buff, but she got a different one that's situationally as good or better. I don't play crosses enough to know how significant that damage boost is. Anyone know just how impactful this will actually be?
1.5x is quite low on a already low base multiplier. she's 5.25x with 1 cross (easy to make) and 7.875x with two. Two crosses is very managable but you lose the opportunity to make tpas, making the damage output pretty lackluster... you'd still do like 1-2mil per card though thanks to green OEs.
Acala is pretty much a strictly way better lead tbh
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: trancehime on February 24, 2017, 01:57:06 AM
1.5x is quite low on a already low base multiplier. she's 5.25x with 1 cross (easy to make) and 7.875x with two. Two crosses is very managable but you lose the opportunity to make tpas, making the damage output pretty lackluster... you'd still do like 1-2mil per card though thanks to green OEs.
Acala is pretty much a strictly way better lead tbh

With how rare pantheon godfests are I'd say Verdandi is easier to get than Acala

(WTB>Acala)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on February 24, 2017, 02:23:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/7Zi0LGc.png)(https://i.imgur.com/00mrpJc.png)

Astaroth stronk. First colosseum clear lol
Actually was multi-ing up till floor 20 (after machine hera floor) then we disconnected because we need to stall for skills on boss. But we planned our teams expecting to solo this so it's probably solo-able with some luck.
I think I pretty much exactly gravitied him from about 66% to 50% lols lucky
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 24, 2017, 07:47:01 PM
Gaaaaah fuck MZeus. He is cancerously awful. Been fighting him for like a hundred turns with Reptune and the RNG is killing me. My 80% poison resist only works half the time, he keeps chain binding my bindclear, and every time I do set up a big burst I nedd one skyfall and don't get it.

Half tempted just to quit the dungeon and inherit Kundali on someone,but getting past the puppeteers is kind of sketchy with this team.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 24, 2017, 08:11:01 PM
Gaaaaah fuck MZeus. He is cancerously awful. Been fighting him for like a hundred turns with Reptune and the RNG is killing me. My 80% poison resist only works half the time, he keeps chain binding my bindclear, and every time I do set up a big burst I nedd one skyfall and don't get it.

this is why I brought 120% resist and have a bindclear active
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 25, 2017, 05:15:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eiTc39D.jpg)

He dide.

Brought a Kundali inherit on Rochi after getting fed up with this, but it didn't even matter because I fucked up and set up my burst one turn early. Got a natural eight combo board and a bunch of skyfalls on top of that. I'll take it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 25, 2017, 06:32:57 AM
Oh hey, ccool, you can finally let loose the stones of war.  EVA's got its return banner for NA.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 25, 2017, 06:40:30 AM
Oh hey, ccool, you can finally let loose the stones of war.  EVA's got its return banner for NA.

I will be at 100 stones tomorrow! Let's do this.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on February 26, 2017, 02:11:39 PM
We get Jewels Descended guerrilla on Monday. 
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2017, 12:57:00 PM
Here I was all like "Eva collab is probably today, right?". No, not today... Does this mean it'll be another week? Do we have an actual release date?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 27, 2017, 04:07:57 PM
No, just the announcement teaser banner.  Keep collecting stones.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 28, 2017, 02:31:51 AM
is it just me or are the sfx all fucked up ever since the update

the orb moving, combo, and attack sounds are muffled or otherwise muted and it sounds like utter shit
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 28, 2017, 02:54:38 AM
my menu SFX are pretty messed up, too. I wonder what happened.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: trancehime on February 28, 2017, 03:20:23 AM
It doesn't get much better in version 10 too, I have some sound lag on occasion running a marshmallow android fone

On an unrelated note, I decided to take advantage of x4 EXP Normals to farm Legendary Earth. I have a JP-focused build I'll share here:

(http://i.imgur.com/Rd7j4dP.jpg)

Ganesha (Grimmjow 1), Whale 1 (Balboa), Whale 2 (Yoruichi / Lubu), Blodin (Grimmjow 2), High ATK Low CD 2+ SB card REVO Shiva, D/L Castor (Grimmjow 3), FL: Ganesha (Laser)

floor 1 - balboa, match 3
floor 2 - match 3
floor 3 - yoruichi/lubu
floor 4 - laser
floor 5 - triple grimmjow

NA-adjusted build

Slightly slower because you have to match all floors, you no longer have access to whales (replace the Whales in this picture with Tengus)

(http://i.imgur.com/L13cdGe.png)

Ganesha (no need for inherit), NY Tengu (Balboa), Tengu 1 (Ilm), Tengu 2 (Chiyome), Dragon Killer Ult Tsubaki (Durga), Ganesha (no need for inherit)

floor 1 - Balboa, match 3
floor 2 - match 3
floor 3 - match 3
floor 4 - match 3
floor 5 - Ganesha --> NY Tengu leader swap --> Ilm --> Chiyome --> Durga --> Swipe

hopefully it helps for people wanting to take advantage of 0 stam normals in NA later on also it is imperative you use the Multi Attack Badge for this unless you want to match 5 each floor instead of 3

EDIT 3:

If you don't have Ilm, here are combinations that work:

* Urd -> Ares
* XMAS Sonia -> Regular Belial / Onion Knight / Dino Rider / Yamato Takeru
* Regular Sonia -> Misato / Arkham Harley Quinn [[2136]] / Awoken or REVO Minerva
* Mori Motonari -> REVO Homura (after buff) / Cao Cao / Awoken or REVO Kagu / Sanada (no need for Ganesha active if you do this)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on February 28, 2017, 03:50:16 AM
Been having fun with new teams in EC made viable by all the great buffs last week!

(https://i.imgur.com/4Hjs3yD.png)
Romia!
7x6 makes it possible to make 10c with TPAs.
Anubis is also 30x at 10c with skill trigger now so dmg output is still good even though romia is just 5x.


(https://i.imgur.com/jtctWOU.png)
I had lots of haku so why not
The new LS is really good. You pretty much never gets orb trolled. I remember chirei having doubts on giving up on hearts in the activation requirement but really 2 out of 3 is just as easy. Only problem is DRH or DBH formations are rare (Dark Sonia and Ryune respectively)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 28, 2017, 07:00:24 AM
On the offensive end though, she gains a fair few powerful options, with Satsuki being a notable one especially with her having a quad TPA facemelter ult.

As much as it'll take getting used to I think the 2/3 thing will be, like you're saying, just as good as 3/4, plus the damage reduction being universal now makes a lot of possibly threatening things much less so, such as off-color preemptive strikes and similar.

I am somewhat sad that once RKarin is a thing Courage won't see nearly as much usefulness for me.  Her big deal was letting me resist light/fire enemies, since they were chinks in the armor of the resist LS until this point.  Still lets me make wood enemies much less annoying to grind down though.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: trancehime on February 28, 2017, 07:59:43 AM


r.haku is now also one of the strongest dark subs in the game bar none: 2500 ATK and 1000 RCV when hypered on top of having a 7c awakening is really fucking dumb, there is really no reason not to REVO her right away
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on February 28, 2017, 01:06:11 PM
On the offensive end though, she gains a fair few powerful options, with Satsuki being a notable one especially with her having a quad TPA facemelter ult.

As much as it'll take getting used to I think the 2/3 thing will be, like you're saying, just as good as 3/4, plus the damage reduction being universal now makes a lot of possibly threatening things much less so, such as off-color preemptive strikes and similar.

I am somewhat sad that once RKarin is a thing Courage won't see nearly as much usefulness for me.  Her big deal was letting me resist light/fire enemies, since they were chinks in the armor of the resist LS until this point.  Still lets me make wood enemies much less annoying to grind down though.

Do keep in mind that you can get all blue resists for Karin and all of her subs for another 26% (assuming nobody has six latents and you friend lead has rainbow resists) shield with Courage on. Probably not quite as relevant on Karin as it is on Gabriel, but still might be worth starting to collect those blue resists now.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on February 28, 2017, 03:18:51 PM
Eh, I'll probably shoot for stat ups now since I used light resists on everyone who didn't have a huge stat somewhere(see: Orochi) and/or SDR(see: trashwaifu) since light was a weakness but now everything is 51% resisted so I don't need it anymore.  Some more HP would be good more than anything probably since my RCV is already decent
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 28, 2017, 04:13:17 PM
Pantheons are a lie

Gamble Mage
Alfecca
Baldin
Skuld
LMeta
Satsuki
Carat
Saria

:|
(Baldin is cool tho)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 28, 2017, 04:39:33 PM
Dupe Tsubaki
Dupe LMeta
Dupe M E A T B A L L
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 28, 2017, 05:04:59 PM
Carat

Carat alone is worth all those stones.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2017, 03:21:43 PM
Just like I imagine everyone else is right now, Im finding myself combing back over the MP monsters trying to decide if I want any.

I really like how Ragnarok Dragon looks, but I can't really justify a team for it. The blue Noble One doesn't seem that great or interesting to me.

Might just buy Courage. Probably not strictly necessary, but she might be nice to have for some random C10s and stuff.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 01, 2017, 03:49:26 PM
I got a new GFE! :D
It was Ronove! D:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 01, 2017, 05:22:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/8hkASl2.png)

(https://imgur.com/zsDZQEK.png)

Something something carat
Something x625
One day, I'll get x2025 for the same board
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: hyorinryu on March 01, 2017, 05:41:53 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the reincarnated Chinese art. I don't 'think they look bad, but some of the Awokens(particularly Leilan) look so great that the reincarnate feels like a huge downgrade.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on March 01, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
Just like I imagine everyone else is right now, Im finding myself combing back over the MP monsters trying to decide if I want any.

One day, there MAY be a good red MP monster.

One day.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2017, 07:12:56 PM
One day, there MAY be a good red MP monster.

One day.

But what of Pure? WHAT OF PUUUUURE?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Hikarin on March 01, 2017, 10:27:20 PM
Actually though, I'm looking at getting Pure soon. I have enough stuff to change Antares's evolution, letting me actually do semi-decent red damage. I happened to get a couple of Kuvias during Heroine REM, so...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on March 01, 2017, 10:48:42 PM
But what of Pure? WHAT OF PUUUUURE?

That's what Chirei exists for.

The puppets are good but usually overkill, though exceptions exist. If I hit 750k and nothings shown, I'll prolly buy her though.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
Puppeteers are definitely niche, but I think in a time of Awoken Greeks they're more relevant than they ever have been. You're not gonna need them all the time, but when you need them you kind of need them.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on March 02, 2017, 09:10:17 AM
Puppeteers are definitely niche, but I think in a time of Awoken Greeks they're more relevant than they ever have been. You're not gonna need them all the time, but when you need them you kind of need them.

No, that makes them more niche than they've ever been, because now instead of a sick stacking booster, they're a very situational off-color sub for a different team.

Like, holy shit. I know why you're saying that but that's about where i'm going to say 'There is probably a more sane, smarter way about this'.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2017, 10:34:29 AM
No, that makes them more niche than they've ever been, because now instead of a sick stacking booster, they're a very situational off-color sub for a different team.

Like, holy shit. I know why you're saying that but that's about where i'm going to say 'There is probably a more sane, smarter way about this'.

Wait, what? How does a significant and powerful new way to use them make them LESS broadly useful? That would only make sense if it somehow invalidated the old ways of using them. Which it doesn't. There are now more different situations where you can use them for things. I literally don't know what you mean.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2017, 01:56:24 PM
Wait, what? How does a significant and powerful new way to use them make them LESS broadly useful? That would only make sense if it somehow invalidated the old ways of using them. Which it doesn't. There are now more different situations where you can use them for things. I literally don't know what you mean.

It's probably very unlikely that the ReGreeks need them to actually clear a dungeon because their damage output is already pretty good, and you'd basically dilute their damage to get -75% damage on something, since in every case you'd be using an offcolor sub. They would probably do just as well using an on-color shield and killing said thing you're trying to use it on because they're already so strong.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2017, 02:30:42 PM
As someone who runs a Reincarnated Greek team a lot, you definitely don't need a puppeteer most of the time. And quite often the thing fucking you up is an off-color preempt, which a puppeteer doesn't help with.

That said, there have been a handful of dungeons, mostly C10s but also a one-shot challenge, that Reptune just isn't plausibly able to clear, even with a Susano inherit. And in each of these cases, Courage would have allowed a clear. By letting me stall back up in the middle of a gauntlet of wrong-color enemies if nothing else.

Arguably the most necessary Puppeteer instance I can think of with a Revo Greek team is against Vishnu with Reptune. It's definitely possible with an Orochi active (and probably a Susano active as well)  but you better hope it's the last floor because you won't have much left after and there's a lot of room for error.

The *best* use of Puppeteers I'm aware of is still on hardcore stall teams like Archangels, but those are extremely niche so I wouldn't expect it come up for most people. Maybe the most common use for them is on Awoken Chinese, although it's quite a bit more awkward.

So buying one comes down to "Can I justify this purchase by having enough different places to use this weird active?" and the fact that a lot of people are playing Revo Greek right now and Puppeteers do have a relevant niche on those teams (albeit a very narrow one) means that you're more likely than ever to have enough different places to potentially use one to justify the purchase.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
stuff

The thing is that this is all for a very specific instance for a very specific team, which while I should probably be the last person saying this, the saner solution just lies in "use another team".

The most public applications i've seen are to just stack even more damage where it shouldn't be, or 100% resist team cheese. It's honestly probably almost better for people to shell out 50k more MP on NepDra and stone out NoahDra for a lead that can tank Vishnu and a lot more and will generally be used for more than just one or two off-instances that don't favor a specific team.

Even Pure on Leilan is losing some effectiveness (but is still the best pairing out of all the Chinese) because now she resists all damage reincarnated, but still fills the missing color instantly as Revo, is the correct main color, has beneficial awakenings, and allows a team with not as good damage as ReGreeks to hit higher. But even this is probably heavily overshadowed by teams that are just simply better.

The point is that the Puppeteers do not instantly make a team good, or instantly make a good team. They exist to make specific, comparatively mediocre teams better, and are not things you can spend with MP that are instantly viable, which is why everyone and their mom is screaming for DAthena in the MP shop, since she does all that.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2017, 03:00:44 PM
I don't think Ultimate NepDra can tank Vishnu very effectively, can he? An optimal NepDra team has what, 65k HP (my NepDra team is nowhere near optimal given my lack of all of his best subs so maybe my frame of reference is off)? That's not really great for tanking an enemy that can cleanly two-shot him and periodically heartbreaks. I guess it depends on how many turns you think you can kill him in. It's definitely good enough to last for a handful of turns at least.

But yeah, re: puppeteers, this is that weird middle ground between "let's make stupid teams work" and "only play the best current meta team and no other cards are worth looking at". I'm certainly not trying to make the case that puppeteers are high-end meta, and I don't think you're trying to make the case that anything that isn't should never be used. They are useful on a small subset of teams. That subset is larger now than it ever has been. It will, admittedly, be shrinking once revo Chinese are out.

If you think each of those applications is too small or pointless to bother with, fine. But I don't. I certainly wouldn't recommend everyone go out and buy one right now, but there are plenty of cases where I think it's worth it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2017, 06:02:03 PM
I don't think Ultimate NepDra can tank Vishnu very effectively, can he? An optimal NepDra team has what, 65k HP (my NepDra team is nowhere near optimal given my lack of all of his best subs so maybe my frame of reference is off)? That's not really great for tanking an enemy that can cleanly two-shot him and periodically heartbreaks. I guess it depends on how many turns you think you can kill him in. It's definitely good enough to last for a handful of turns at least.

The poison gives you a definite edge, and almost all other teams would have a similar problem. I would also argue you have better damage control than teams of other colors since you have a high mult and 2m is a lot more generous than 1m to control. Super Nepdra would also work better on almost every other dungeon in the game. This is all disregarding the fact that cards like Fujin and Uruka will be coming out.

If you think each of those applications is too small or pointless to bother with, fine. But I don't. I certainly wouldn't recommend everyone go out and buy one right now, but there are plenty of cases where I think it's worth it.

The thing is Chaore is arguing that there isn't a super solid buy for red in the shop, and i'm lining out exactly why the puppets are not this. I think Shivadra is worse than Nepdra, and XM got phased out super hard, and I don't even see people using HXM even though she's Dark. Worth it or not, the puppeteers do not fill this point by a long shot. Most good teams nowadays are good because they do not need to waste a slot on the puppeteers to be good - and I say waste comparatively. I said earlier that the awakenings on Pure are all good for Leilan, but most teams nowadays would look at those awakenings/stats and scoff. They could just as well be one of the many 7-9 awakening subs with massively better stats out nowadays with a much less situational active.

Bottom line is, they're only going to catch your eye if you're already running something comparatively mediocre. You're not going to start running red if you aren't just because Pure exists. The argument here is that we're looking for an MP card that does exactly this.

Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2017, 06:21:26 PM
So is that what we're defining "good" as? Something that would cause you to make a new team? That's definitely not what I had in mind when I said that. I'm speaking purely from a point as "potentially worth spending MP on", which I think I've made pretty clear at this point I think puppeteers often are.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2017, 06:45:26 PM
So is that what we're defining "good" as? Something that would cause you to make a new team?

Absolutely not.

I mean, look at it this way. The case you have is that you are using them to change the color of an enemy so you can resist them. Most workable teams nowadays just have means to reduce all types of damage, or straight-up have HP/RCV mults, which also work for all types of damage. ReGreeks are probably the only viable team as of now that even use the color resist gimmick now, and only three of them work with the puppeteers.

This leaves using them as an extended damage enhance. How many other teams that are NOT ReGreeks even need to stack this much damage to kill something? Is this something that cannot be solved by other means like using gravities, shields, or other enhances? I think most mults today are high enough to deal with most enemies without the need for this. Which means the sub slot can be used for a card with a more readily usable active, better stats, and better awakenings. Just to put into perspective how comparatively bad their stats are, Pure has a WST of ~685, and ORIGINAL R/G Leilan has a WST of ~745. That is fucking terrible, weaker than a card from like 2014. With cards now pushing 900~1000 WST without inherits in 2017, that is a lot of potential bulk you could be missing out on, as well as another active that could be... whatever you want, really.

This doesn't undermine the fact that you can use them in lieu of all these things, since the brunt of these things rely on what the REM gives you, but with how generous the game at this point, I feel like they're an afterthought to most people, and probably why Chaore is only considering the buy if too much MP accumulates. Speaking from experience, even I don't use Pure that much, and honestly mostly because she fills colors in a color-required leader and has two time extensions for casual play. All probably depends on how much you value your MP, and what you're expecting them to churn out in the future, especially since they're up to 750K purchases now.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on March 03, 2017, 01:23:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TV8qo1q.png)
Noooooooooooooo
I was so close to an haku arena 3 solo clear
I even stalled noah dragon 99 turns for this
T___T
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on March 03, 2017, 01:51:33 AM
To anyone trying the Double Grodin team vs ZeusDra, PDX is wrong about one thing: Dragon Nova deals a small amount of damage in addition to removing buffs, so you won't be at full health for the 500% gravity.  You'd have to use an active to hit him and then use a 10% gravity. 
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on March 03, 2017, 02:02:21 AM
To anyone trying the Double Grodin team vs ZeusDra, PDX is wrong about one thing: Dragon Nova deals a small amount of damage in addition to removing buffs, so you won't be at full health for the 500% gravity.  You'd have to use an active to hit him and then use a 10% gravity.

I never actually took dragonnova to the face before so I might be wrong but did you make sure you had buffs for him to remove?
Skyozora says he deals 8k instead of the dispelling if you don't have buffs for him.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 03, 2017, 04:26:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JN1lYyL.jpg)

Yaay!

(http://i.imgur.com/IA1RvHP.jpg)

Aaaaah no no no fuck fuck fuck!

(http://i.imgur.com/rv7IghR.jpg)

I stoned to beat her. I know, I know, it doesn't count. But it's been forever since I stoned to continue and if I had just gotten ONE skyfall and/or a slightly better Blonia board I would've had her. I'll go back for the fair clear eventually.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: trancehime on March 03, 2017, 08:19:21 AM
https://www.facebook.com/notes/puzzle-dragons-north-america-gungho/evangelion-collab-returns/1575239109171342

ok
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 03, 2017, 01:35:12 PM
Yaaaay! Not that we didn't know this was coming but I'm glad that it iiiiiis!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 03, 2017, 05:19:27 PM
But where is Hello Kitty? :C
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on March 03, 2017, 11:53:09 PM
But where is Hello Kitty? :C
I think the collab itself got retired, but the buffs will come later on; the EVA stuff IIRC came before the massive collab buff wave?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2017, 03:13:44 AM
"Wow, Mechzeus looks way easier than Mechhera. Why didn't I do this one first? This'll be a cake walk."

-Missed that there were no hearts

Oh... That's why.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on March 04, 2017, 06:03:39 AM
Only needed one heart maker if you can manage to one shot each floor. I can't clear mech Hera because I have a skill issue with damage absorbs
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2017, 07:09:40 AM
Yeah, I'll have to take a look at my options. Don't really think I can handle the multiple skill delays while also consistently one-shotting everything and having shields up at the right time, but then again maybe I can. Seems like a great place for Sacchis if I can get my skills set up right.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Dr Rawr on March 04, 2017, 01:09:08 PM
I had yshtola for the healing after both floor 2 and 3. After that it was all just me one shotting everything with rukia. Double scheat and facet buff nailed machine zues hard.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2017, 05:06:34 PM
Yeah, I think Sacchis has this. Forgot to actually include an important inherit and even then I almost made it. Might just have to shuffle my subs a bit for consistency, but this seems super doable.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2017, 03:59:33 PM
Okay, so I figured out a composition where I can consistently get to MZeus, but he's way, way harder to kill than I expected due to all the stacking preempts. The locked orb skyfalls make orbchanges basically useless so you just have to randomly have a perfect board, and the jammer skyfall cancels out the no-RCV part of the dungeon and makes dealing with his combo shield extremely difficult again.

This just seems like a complete RNG-fest at this point. Am I missing something? I don't have an inheritable board flush or it would probably be manageable.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2017, 05:03:26 PM
This just seems like a complete RNG-fest at this point. Am I missing something? I don't have an inheritable board flush or it would probably be manageable.

Here's the GH solution (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=3346)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2017, 05:30:42 PM
A chase that's JP-only right now? How useful.

How do people do it here though? They obviously do, am I missing something?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2017, 05:44:04 PM
A chase that's JP-only right now? How useful.

How do people do it here though? They obviously do, am I missing something?

Force on Diadem and pray
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2017, 06:17:39 PM
Yeah, I've been using Gungnir on Diadem to just clear the bind after the first attack, but I'm realizing I have more than enough time to stall up another delay. That should buy me a little more time. Definitely still going to be an RNG shitfest, just with incredibly marginally more favorable RNG...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Thaws on March 05, 2017, 07:40:25 PM
Try Khepri?
Or inherit a board flush since orb unlocks aren't in NA yet
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2017, 08:50:06 PM
I don't have am inheritable board flush unfortunately. I do have Kundali, but unfortunately combo count just really isn't the biggest problem. I can't even fully activate Sacchis because the board is so fucked.

I'll give it a shot with a second Force just to buy more time. Maybe some more actives will help.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 06, 2017, 08:37:51 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Z7S9i8H.jpg)

Not a bad haul!

I honestly didn't expect to get that chase Kaworu, but I am actually pretty fucking disappointed that I opened a chase and it was the abysmally terrible Rei one. Because now the ONLY Eva card I don't own is the one I really wanted (unless I'm overlooking someone).

Hmm... Am I really dumb enough to waste even more pulls on this before it ends though?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on March 06, 2017, 08:57:15 AM
(https://imgur.com/FVRle6q.jpg)
Not bad at all! I already sold 2 trash ones so you don't see those. Don't really know what to do with them yet. I probably have some components for a sick water team with the yshtola I pulled in the ff rem in my box somewhere.
I guess I'll develop reimyr and see just how janky she is.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 06, 2017, 09:01:00 AM
(https://imgur.com/T4iYcAx.png)

Who are you?
Seems legit.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 06, 2017, 09:06:41 AM
(https://imgur.com/FVRle6q.jpg)
Not bad at all! I already sold 2 trash ones so you don't see those. Don't really know what to do with them yet. I probably have some components for a sick water team with the yshtola I pulled in the ff rem in my box somewhere.
I guess I'll develop reimyr and see just how janky she is.

I'm assuming you deleted some chaff first, or did you get the most legendarily consistently good pulls ever?

Well, I got somebody to team my ReiMyr with I guess. Because even though I think she's one of the most pointless cards of all time she does at least technically have potential, and why not with something that janktastic? What kind of subs does she even want at this point? Seems like she gets along well with that blue heroine card who makes the heart column (who I don't own) and Awoken Yomi, and those two fill out all of her color requirements. Beyond that... Orochi, black Kali effects, and uh... Wee Jas maybe?

(https://imgur.com/T4iYcAx.png)

Who are you?
Seems legit.

!

Was wondering how many people were going to pull him in their free pull after I failed to get him with 24 pulls. One and counting. :derp:

(As for who he is, he's Shinjji's boyfriend.)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on March 06, 2017, 10:05:34 AM
I'm assuming you deleted some chaff first, or did you get the most legendarily consistently good pulls ever?
Had like 2 or 3 of those old ones but yeah pretty good haul.

I can't even start using myrei yet because I'm despairing over how awful trying to figure out subs for her is. If I had some kind of decent water/dark haster I'd use that, but I don't so awoken yomi will have to fill the dark/green slot for now. I say water since it's the only color I have that has some decent collection of heart makers that don't take out like 2 colors. Team for now will have to look something like reimry ayomi mel mel navi friend. Honestly it'd probably be more worth it to pair up with a summyr by this point.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on March 06, 2017, 10:17:32 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/9REFTon.jpg)

shinji droprate OP rito pls nerf
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 06, 2017, 10:18:13 AM
ok i played pad for 10 minutes time to take a break again

(http://i.imgur.com/XxsI8A3.png)(http://i.imgur.com/cQx6pex.png)(http://i.imgur.com/SEBh24P.png)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 06, 2017, 02:20:52 PM
Had like 2 or 3 of those old ones but yeah pretty good haul.

I can't even start using myrei yet because I'm despairing over how awful trying to figure out subs for her is. If I had some kind of decent water/dark haster I'd use that, but I don't so awoken yomi will have to fill the dark/green slot for now. I say water since it's the only color I have that has some decent collection of heart makers that don't take out like 2 colors. Team for now will have to look something like reimry ayomi mel mel navi friend. Honestly it'd probably be more worth it to pair up with a summyr by this point.

I had a similar problem trying to put together a hypothetical Kaworu team for in the event that I pulled him. Best I can come up with is Neptune Dragon (obviously quite a huge investment and a lot of wasted awakenings, although maybe worth considering if his upcoming ultimate appeals to you anyway) or Kuramitsuha with an inherit (requires tons of skillups, although at least we have Tans now to streamline that).
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 06, 2017, 06:16:28 PM
I'm really upset because Shinji's active is pretty good but I can't justify using him as a sub for anything but a jank TPA sub, ahaha. And with both ASQ and Revo Orochi I don't see myself doing that either. If only it could have been scheat shinji instead :qq:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 06, 2017, 10:39:22 PM
So the best method I've been able to figure out so far to ensure as close as possible to a perfect Myrei board is Gainaut->Cosmo Crusader (or Chester). I guess that seems worth a couple of team slots. Maybe.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 07, 2017, 12:03:45 AM
Aten is three turns faster than Gainaut, but like

Who has Aten? :C
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on March 07, 2017, 12:39:09 AM
You mean that useless god that hates quite literally everyone who I picked up a few months ago?

Figures, another thing others could want which I have less than zero use for.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Pesco on March 07, 2017, 12:51:17 AM
Aten is three turns faster than Gainaut, but like

Who has Aten? :C

I have one but i'll need a lot of convincing to bother investing in it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 07, 2017, 01:16:49 AM
It's actually pretty funny considering that the other jammer person in existence and I both agree Gainaut is almost universally better than Aten, only being worse in the cooldown rate for the same active.

If I ended up having an Aten I'd -probably- use it in various dungeons but I'd never awaken it. Similarly, when new Fenrir comes out I'll probably never fully awaken the main dog since God Killer is only helpful against very specific dungeons, and I have alternate dogs I could use when I'm not afraid of damage absorbs, hah.

Aten just looks so happy, though...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: trancehime on March 07, 2017, 01:46:16 AM
It's actually pretty funny considering that the other jammer person in existence and I both agree Gainaut is almost universally better than Aten, only being worse in the cooldown rate for the same active.

aten's only benefit over gainut is his ability to be inherited in NA

but i mean gainut becomes inheritable too after his buff, I just realized

so RIP I guess
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 07, 2017, 02:25:37 AM
So I'm basically trying to whittle down my Myrei team from these choices:

-Black Kali
-AYomi
-Revo Orochi
-Gainaut+Cosmo Crusader
-Wee Jas
-Ganesha
-Pollux (probably a weird choice, but seems interesting to clear the board of hearts before a Myrei active if I already have a lot of them, which should hopefully lead to a really good board. Probably just end up with too much white and hearts breaking too many of my other color matches though, I don't know)
-RevoRa
-Sakuya

I need all of my colors met, five lock resists, and preferably an assload of time extends. The pieces don't seem to be fitting together very cleanly though. I also haven't really considered whether I should be using a Navi friend lead, which would change the math considerably.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on March 07, 2017, 01:11:45 PM
Well you wouldn't need to worry about SBR anyway...>_>. (poor Navi)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 07, 2017, 03:32:32 PM
Okay kiddos Padx is reporting that tomorrow will be sunny with 100 probability of heradra guerilla. Anyonee have a revo hades to go at it?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 07, 2017, 04:01:29 PM
Oh, is Hades actually a good matchup against her? I've got one.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 07, 2017, 04:19:16 PM
I have so many Evangelions to skill up! I can't stop for anything! Except maybe my box filling up because there's no skillup event going on and I only have so many King Tans...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 07, 2017, 05:13:29 PM
Oh, is Hades actually a good matchup against her? I've got one.
It's not hard to get 100% resist and heradra doesn't change color, only tool needed is the right subs to actually deal with Verche and Ceres (notably, verche starts by binding your darks for 10 turns)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 08, 2017, 06:08:23 PM
Alright, I admit it. As much as I've made fun of Myrei and as superfluous as I still think she is, she's really fucking fun to play.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 08, 2017, 09:09:09 PM
All right, I think I may have HeraDra more or less figured out? At least, I've probably got her beat if I can get to her...

Revo Hades/Revo Ceres w/Awoken Sakuya (gravity works, right?)/Awoken Pandora/Awoken Tsukuyomi/Yomi Dragon, with bindproof badge

If I understand it right, the 10 turn bind should only hit Pandora and Tsukuyomi, leaving the rest unbound, but just in case, Ceres active + heart row should clear the last 9... right?

Awoken Tsukuyomi can help push past Ceres' stupid combo drain.

Hera Dragon's strongest attack will only do a mere 20597 damage to me, which I can tank... but getting health up may be a pain. I'm considering dropping Ceres for Halloween Thoth and Sopdet with their 4 dark resist awakes... but that might make the rest of the dungeon rougher. What do you think?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 08, 2017, 10:04:20 PM
Actually with just about any decent dark lead you should be able to damage most things neatly. Although with only one revo hades you'd also have to take care of not tripping ceres' resolve hit. I mean I am totally fine with stoning through the bind so I just built to trigger the resolve hit and survive it so :v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 08, 2017, 10:30:09 PM
Well I mean, I'd be running Revo Hades as the friend lead too-- or would the -500% grav kill me through 94% resist?

I'm not really opposed to stoning this (though it'd be awesome as hell to no-stone it or even be able to farm it), but I'm trying to find the most manageable way to do it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 08, 2017, 10:52:44 PM
Well I mean, I'd be running Revo Hades as the friend lead too-- or would the -500% grav kill me through 94% resist?


81% resist is enough to survive, so no.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 08, 2017, 11:40:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/crWKHv7l.png)
Only took the one stone needed to get past the binds. o/
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 09, 2017, 02:12:10 AM
Tweaked the team a little, inspired by a video I saw:


Revo Hades/ DMeta+Awoken Amaterasu inherit / Awoken Archdemon Lucifer / Super Ult Pandora / Yomi Dragon / Revo Hades, skill boost badge

Total skill boost = 12, 13 with badge. Allows DMeta to instantly use Amaterasu's full bind clear, and then everyone else should be charged up and I can burst down Verche from there.  Ceres scares the hell out of me, because I dunno if I can efficiently hit 7 combo. I'm not super scared of her grav, of course, but it's still worrisome. Once I'm past her though, Hera Dragon should be cheese city.

EDIT: Neeeever mind. I didn't remember that Gravity World gives you 5 turns of +5 seconds matching time. That's better.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 09, 2017, 03:23:28 AM
Yeah, Ceres' first half is scary as all hell. Once you get her in the black it's literally free and you can just stall her 500k absorb out if you feel.
Also one thing I didn't properly notice is that once Heradra begins her rage hit phase (the 300k ones) she has a turn in between so you can heal if you can. I thought I'd be doomed due to lowered healing but it worked out like that.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on March 09, 2017, 03:35:06 AM
Matsy, I saw the comment about gravity earlier and didn't notice anyone correct you on it so be warned:  If it would deal 2m or more damage, Sakuya's gravity WILL BE ABSORBED by HeraDra.  Gravities are subject to damage absorbs just like every other single source of damage.

I realize this is very late and probably too much so but I'm just now getting on here for today so I wanted to make the note on the off chance you had a late slot.

Speaking of her dungeon, I tried just for fun since I hadn't been playing PAD too much recently(blame GBF and Crash Fever lately) and after 30someodd turns on Ceres I skyfell into a 9 combo that caused her to give me the stinkeye and I imploded.  (tried with a RCeres team just because it's the closest I owned to a good thing to fight her with.)
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 09, 2017, 03:38:04 AM
I'm pondering whether I should drop Pandora for Halloween Thoth and Sopdet-- their awakenings should really bolster that dark resist (I can't remember, are awakenings additive or multiplicative when combined with LS resists?) to really make sure I can not die against Hera Dragon. Though, I'd be taking a hit in the damage department... ugh, I dunno.

Matsy, I saw the comment about gravity earlier and didn't notice anyone correct you on it so be warned:  If it would deal 2m or more damage, Sakuya's gravity WILL BE ABSORBED by HeraDra.  Gravities are subject to damage absorbs just like every other single source of damage.

I realize this is very late and probably too much so but I'm just now getting on here for today so I wanted to make the note on the off chance you had a late slot.

Speaking of her dungeon, I tried just for fun since I hadn't been playing PAD too much recently(blame GBF and Crash Fever lately) and after 30someodd turns on Ceres I skyfell into a 9 combo that caused her to give me the stinkeye and I imploded.  (tried with a RCeres team just because it's the closest I owned to a good thing to fight her with.)

Yeah, noted. Makes me feel super comfortable blowing the actives on Verche instead.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 09, 2017, 05:40:31 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/uQscuIE.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/YXsr0jy.png)

Nailed it. Had to use one stone on Verche because I mistakenly thought Amaterasu's skill clears all binds. The Awoken form does not. (I actually used a couple stones refreshing stamina until I realized there was really no way around stoning Verche). But after that, bursting him down is easy.

Ceres: As long as you have the time extend, you can beat her down to nothing. In fact, it's the best thing to do, because she literally can not kill you.

Hera Dragon: Just don't overextend and keep a heartmaker handy for in between those final hits and she's a joke.

HOWEVER: I decided to try it again just to have a second one. Stoned on Verche, and moved on to Ceres. I did not fully burst her down to nothing-- she had about 10% left. She then puts up a 500k damage drain. I'm still trying to kill her.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2017, 02:06:35 AM
So Myrei's active is as nightmarishly terrible as I assumed it would be and pretty much never comes up. Does anyone who plays Myr have any suggestions as to what I can inherit over it to get some value? Unfortunately I don't have that heroine card who makes the heart column. Is there anything that generates two hearts at random? That would be a lot more useful.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: O4rfish on March 10, 2017, 03:31:54 AM
Maybe Sumire?  Your padherder doesn't have too many monsters in it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2017, 04:17:30 AM
Oh yeah, my Padherder is probably well over a year out of date. I should fix that.

Sumine randomly fucks up six of my orbs instead of seven, which makes keeping my colors intact a bit more likely, but honestly not much. And the blue isn't the most useful ever although it would fuel Orochi,
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 10, 2017, 04:49:10 AM
Maybe you'd do better looking at reimiru through the lens of a Ronove team. Because it's kind of the same deal.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2017, 05:19:03 AM
I'm not that familiar with Ronove, so I wouldn't know how to go about doing that.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on March 10, 2017, 05:44:35 AM
So Myrei's active is as nightmarishly terrible as I assumed it would be and pretty much never comes up. Does anyone who plays Myr have any suggestions as to what I can inherit over it to get some value? Unfortunately I don't have that heroine card who makes the heart column. Is there anything that generates two hearts at random? That would be a lot more useful.
I see mention of Ronove teams above, but if you have the guitar demon himself, he creates exactly two heart orbs and clears trash orbs for you too(jammers/poison->wood, 2 random hearts).  Still suffers the risk of accidentally deleting something important but at least it's minimized and has a beneficial aftereffect.

Oh right and he's stupid fast, too, like 3 turns at max.

As for running MyRei like Ronove, I don't think it works QUITE the same if you're after max multiplier because she wants all five atts whereas Ronove maxes out with just four.  Any orb changes WILL run the risk of killing your full rainbow activation unless you have enough of all orb types AND the five hearts to form the cross with.

The general idea for Ronove IIRC is something like Kaede/Kaede/Rozuel(or other R/B coverage)/RagDra(or Linthia if you lack the former), so I guess the equivalent would be Paimon/Paimon/(DKali-type board change)/other color coverage possibly?  Obv not expecting you to hve one much less two of Paimon, but it's a start at least...?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2017, 06:17:35 AM
Ha ha nope, I have none of that. No Paimon, no Ronove.

Maybe I should be structuring my actives around making my 81x activations hit as hard as possible since I at least have some control over those. My team has 15 natural time extends right now, so maybe getting a Sheen active in there would be good. And maaaaybe it'll actually be worth running a white heardbreaker for use before a Myrei active? I still think that's too likely to make it so I won't even have four attributes left, but it'd probably be pretty great if it worked.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on March 10, 2017, 06:24:16 AM
If you aim specifically for the 81x hits then I think you can probably make lots of things work.  Single orb changers would probably be the best bet besides stuff to set your board partially or entirely to an activateable state, at least that's my guess. 
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2017, 04:13:02 PM
Myrei problems.

-Five colors and three hearts on board. Myrei active. Turns into three colors and ten hearts.

-Okay, let's try again. BKali active. Five colors and three hearts on board. Myrei active. Turns into three colors and ten hearts.

FUCK.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on March 10, 2017, 06:28:23 PM
yeah. that.
gotta love how they made no attempt to make her active make any sense. Like, if I needed a panic shield I'd bring one.
switched out ayomi for librarian kali because I realized I really needed a board changer and color supplier. Now what this team would really like is a haster of some kind, probably will replace the second mel. Does heart orb enhances work like orb enhances when you have more than 5 on your team? Because if not, then having more than one on a team is preeetty worthless.

e: mmm, the shinra bansho buffs means asmodius another will be more useable. If only it also generated light orbs, she would be cooler for myeir, but the (usually, I would hope) guaranteed x81 active along with the 7 combo awakening could potentially guaranteed her a spot somewhere. Maybe in librarian kali's place, or perhaps the second mel.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 10, 2017, 09:03:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vxjieHJl.png)
Dreams do come true
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 10, 2017, 10:12:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vxjieHJl.png)
Dreams do come true

(http://i.imgur.com/iuFb2kX.png)

Sup.
(http://i.imgur.com/9bT1WaB.png)
I max skilled a Nordis before I got the Super Metal Kings I needed from him yesterday to evolve all the Heras and Zeus...
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 10, 2017, 11:29:41 PM
Ahaha, I had a zera ready to go for a good while. In fact not counting DQ they were the first part of the team that was ready to go. I think what took me the longest was to gather the 22 keepers of gold needed for Mech Hera's mats.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 11, 2017, 07:02:31 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/nAOiK1d.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/vX3P73f.png)

Meridionalis is stupid

this isn't even full potential

i could be using a muse inherit lol
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on March 12, 2017, 12:07:03 PM
Wow I'm a couple days late on it apparently but GH whyyyyy.  The dream of them ever doing right by Kiriko I think is well and done now, shes meant to be depressing and underpowered forever I guess.  Figures.  (I don't have her but she didn't deserve this.)

I guess the Saiga 7c addition will be some solace since I DO own him at least.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 12, 2017, 02:16:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JrvKpfM.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/tXgzzhu.jpg)

Yaaay.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 12, 2017, 03:55:35 PM
Isn't it a bit sad that for some cases, not even the memorial tama will be enough to max level some monsters? :v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 12, 2017, 06:27:26 PM
Wow I'm a couple days late on it apparently but GH whyyyyy.  The dream of them ever doing right by Kiriko I think is well and done now, shes meant to be depressing and underpowered forever I guess.  Figures.  (I don't have her but she didn't deserve this.)

I guess the Saiga 7c addition will be some solace since I DO own him at least.

It's kinda how I've felt about LMeta and Venus for all this time lmao

Isn't it a bit sad that for some cases, not even the memorial tama will be enough to max level some monsters? :v

I fed mine away as food for a Reincarnated evo and it didn't finish the job, obviously  :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 12, 2017, 11:49:16 PM
>ronove fixed team
NOOOOOOoooooo
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on March 13, 2017, 01:18:47 AM
Wow I'm a couple days late on it apparently but GH whyyyyy.  The dream of them ever doing right by Kiriko I think is well and done now, shes meant to be depressing and underpowered forever I guess.  Figures.  (I don't have her but she didn't deserve this.)

tbh she's a legit pick for a.minerv now if you want the hearts? Double SB helps her a lot, and if you're already planning to tank dark, more doesn't hurt.

It's a bad niche but, I think they wanted to distinguish her somehow.

She's still the best in my heart ;;
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 13, 2017, 01:33:01 AM
For what it's worth (which I'm sure is nothing to anyone) I did four more pulls with stones I've accumulated through the week and my 1000 day login stones fishing for Kaworu. No dice, got two silvers, a third cosplay Misato and a third cosplay Asuka, but that's fair. I didn't really expect anything, I just had to try.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 13, 2017, 02:06:44 AM
Wow I'm a couple days late on it apparently but GH whyyyyy.  The dream of them ever doing right by Kiriko I think is well and done now, shes meant to be depressing and underpowered forever I guess.  Figures.  (I don't have her but she didn't deserve this.)

dark resist is good, not as good as half a year ago, but still good

two sbs also good

worst thing they did is not give her uevo
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on March 13, 2017, 02:42:01 AM
dark resist is good, not as good as half a year ago, but still good

two sbs also good

worst thing they did is not give her uevo

Stats are really what she needs imo right now

but i'd also posit an extra prong or row to make her more offensively sided would be pretty welcome, as all of her competitors have just as much of that if not MORE in their areas

ultimately she's fighting against some of the strongest cards in red and being conservative with her awakenings worked when she launched because urd was hot garbage and didn't have like 5 oe to boot, and a.lei was stacked but not as stacked as she is now

like she's VIABLE again, but she's still kinda a worse choice than a.lei even for minervles which is

a thing
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 13, 2017, 03:03:06 AM
A Muse active is added.

(http://i.imgur.com/bOAVE6j.png)

Actually dealt less total damage than the I&I one because of the reduction on I&I and Blonia. Still, almost hit over 100mil damage on Meridionalis.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 13, 2017, 03:09:27 AM
Dang, that's pretty nuts. How do you think she is for overall viability? Is she actually practical to use? Sure seems like she might be, but I guess she does seem very orb-hungry.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 13, 2017, 04:19:58 AM
She basically has the punch akin to Neptune Dragon with the orb hunger of a Hero god. You don't have to do the full 8 orbs to do crazy damage-- a simple row is enough for me to reach into the millions. Also, her active makes her REALLY nice against those stupid-ass combo drains. Also, her recovery pretty much makes it so you fully heal with 3 hearts and a combo or two.

She's definitely viable, too. Granted, it requires a ton of setup, but here's her doing a no-stone multiplayer clear of Super Ultimate Colosseum (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IJur1B3TYs). I'm tempted to build this team myself, but I don't have Andromeda or Sarasvati, so I'd have to tweak it a little. (Y'shtola can serve as an Andromeda replacement of sorts, but I don't really have a working replacement for Sarasvati. But the guy playing says that there's no one solid "perfect" Meri team, so you can just build what works best for you).
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 13, 2017, 05:16:30 AM
Holy shit, those new dragon callers are fucking nuts! 400 HP?! I've always kind of wondered what the lowest HP total that could conceivably be considered playable is. AND one of them is a man. Breakin' all sorts of taboos.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on March 13, 2017, 05:50:22 AM
I suppose that's what the active is for, but trying to fit two red crosses and 7 combos on a single board does not sound easy. Although the 100x would probably be enough on most boards but even that's pretty difficult to do when doing crosses too. I'm wondering if activating shields off of combos instead of heart crosses may potentially be less prone to bricking since you're not limited to hunger on a specific orb every turn.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 13, 2017, 06:31:45 AM
(https://imgur.com/yRxjYNh.png)

I wanted to be cheeky, but neither Ragnarok nor Sherias Roots gave me five hearts.

Worth a shot anyways.

Edit: Challenge 9, with Ronove, made me so uncomfortable. It's just Hera Rush, but the sub selection is, uh. I am nonplussed.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 14, 2017, 01:29:23 AM
Man, the good results revo asty has been getting are pretty exciting. Might bring up an Ana Ceres for the emergency heal/Unbinder combo for it, even.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 14, 2017, 01:30:09 PM
So I notice that this is the week ultimate Neptune Dragon was supposed to be out, but he's not available yet. Is there a particular day of the week the previous ones came out on or that these kinds of things tend to happen?
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 16, 2017, 12:11:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/C4YCo9E.jpg)

YAAAY!
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 18, 2017, 08:13:00 AM
(https://imgur.com/fE41kWu.png)

Hello.

I'll certainly find a use for you.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 18, 2017, 02:38:29 PM
GF pulls

1. Tsubaki dupe #127643268
2. Scheat
3. Fenrir
4. Phoenix Rider dupe

3 gfes isn't bad but one day I'd like to pull pantheon stuff :V
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2017, 04:02:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6WxCDvo.jpg)

I don't know what this is but I'm thrilled to bits to have pulled it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 18, 2017, 04:26:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6WxCDvo.jpg)

I don't know what this is but I'm thrilled to bits to have pulled it.

its loo boo's wife

now you die
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on March 18, 2017, 11:57:24 PM
Wasn't gonna pull, did seven instead.  Made out p well.

-Anima
-dupe Krishna
-Australis
-GSonia
-Ares
-Trailokyavijaya
-AALuci

Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 20, 2017, 11:16:41 AM
Oh wow, a fixed team that actually makes sense! Mostly. I guess putting inherits on fixed teams is not an option. Too bad with three hastes you don't exactly get to do a system, but :v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on March 20, 2017, 04:10:44 PM
OHKO every floor and got max damage, still only 15ish percent.  Whatever, game.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 20, 2017, 04:23:26 PM
I spent all weekend playing Groove Coaster 3 and now I really want to buy Linka...

OHKO every floor and got max damage, still only 15ish percent.  Whatever, game.

DO IT FASTER!

Your score will probably go up from here as more randos filter in. Although it'll drop from there at some point.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on March 20, 2017, 09:30:47 PM
Nah, I'm just gonna leave it and what will be will be.  After getting a theoretically perfect run I don't feel up to trying to grind it since I know my speed just isn't there.  Got stones to collect anyway!

Also please don't buy LINKA.  I still hate that they made her so terrible but she is.  Such a waste of such cute art.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 21, 2017, 01:54:51 AM
If anything of what I gather the trick to turning a seemingly perfect run into a crown is not going for the cross and actually using kaede as if she were vishnu, doing TPA+3 wood combos in some floors to kill with just the x16.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 21, 2017, 07:00:42 PM
Hey Mea, what's in your best friend slot right now? I'm looking for a Myrei BF if you've got any interest.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on March 21, 2017, 10:41:38 PM
I've been keeping her in my first slot in an attempt to fish out for some randomo myrei players to send me invites. I don't plan to take her out of there either since apanda used to occupy that spot and she's been rather left behind by the game so yeah. And we're already bfs so use her to your heart's content.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 22, 2017, 12:03:32 AM
Oh wait, really? I looked earlier and I swear I saw that we weren't. And I haven't seen her up in a while. Weird. Well, fair enough.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 22, 2017, 02:13:51 AM
>challenge mode renewal-- this time you can use a friend leader but you can only have 2 subs

time for that hypertedious but easy farming life again
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Mеа on March 22, 2017, 03:26:34 AM
Oh wait, really? I looked earlier and I swear I saw that we weren't. And I haven't seen her up in a while. Weird. Well, fair enough.
That might have been my not signing in yesterday, but I can't say anything about the former
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: commandercool on March 22, 2017, 04:04:46 PM
I've been testing Pollux on Myrei lately, and she seems pretty solid. When I have a board with 2-3 hearts Pollux->Myrei tends to give a pretty good outcome. Although it's prone to disaster as ever with Myrei, and the lack of time extends on Pollux definitely hurts.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 22, 2017, 10:56:28 PM
http://www.pashplus.jp/game_app/smartphone_app/47169/

NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOO SAKURA IS IN THE COLLAB

I'M TRYING TO SAVE MONEY DAMMIT
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Jq1790 on March 22, 2017, 11:14:24 PM
We'll probably never get it so you're fine.  Panic if GH manages to get the licensing worked out to port it.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 22, 2017, 11:16:35 PM
What's weird is that apparently no stats have been revealed yet? Or have I missed the window on those announcements entirely? Since the collab starts next week and such.
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: Chaore on March 23, 2017, 05:47:40 AM
We'll probably never get it so you're fine.  Panic if GH manages to get the licensing worked out to port it.

GIven the fuckhold either of the big serial collabs would be...

Well :v
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 24, 2017, 06:26:09 AM
Here's something to help end this thread.

A bf that happens to have Sherias Roots in their second slot inherited New Year's Spica to their Roots, I can only imagine for some trivial farming purpose but they're not -using- it

I tell the dood, "can you take it off, it overcharged and almost killed me in arena"

(https://imgur.com/rFnckGO.png)

*Headdesk*
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 24, 2017, 07:53:14 AM
wow the ranked dungeon is a pain. I did pretty well and didn't break the top 30% D:
Title: Re: Heart Shield and Dragons Thread 32 - Some Festive Edition
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 24, 2017, 07:53:27 AM
also this thread needs to be closed