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~Hakurei Shrine~ => Help Me, Eirin! => Topic started by: Mino ☆ on September 22, 2016, 04:07:50 AM

Title: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mino ☆ on September 22, 2016, 04:07:50 AM
Previous Thread (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15361.0.html)

Ahhh! I just realized that the old blogging thread finally hit 1000 posts! I remember when I started that thread three years ago and to see it finally reach that goal fills me with some strange pride. Anyway, as per tradition, here's the new edition of the blogging thread!

So what IS the blogging thread for? Basically you can treat it as your own personal diary of your Touhou endeavors. You can talk about a current goal you're working on, reflect on past goals, talk about future goals, or anything else that's kind of... well... "bloggy".

AKA when you wanna ramble about your Touhou career with long paragraphs (though the post doesn't HAVE to be long) it goes in here!

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Uh, so where to start. Currently I've been balancing university and a job, so I haven't had TOO much time for Touhou. But when I have played it I've either been: DDC Scoring, PCB scoring, or continuing my LNN(N) journey.

PCB Scoring: Progress is slow but steady. I recently hit 2.6bil about a few weeks ago. My current route probably allows 3bil but it would require extremely good execution. Top notch grazing, all borders intact, all spell bonuses done right (including Resurrection butterfly). I'm thinking I'll try and take it 100mil at a time until 3bil. Which means 2.7bil is the next goal (though if I get higher I'll most certainly welcome it!)

DDC Scoring: I literally picked this up like 2-3 days ago. Well, I have scored with ReimuA in the past, and started experimenting with SakuyaB, but I'd never actually gone in depth with SakuyaB before. Er... my current route probably allows like 1.9bil with good execution. If I improved it a bit and executed it well, I might even be able to reach 2bil. I think 2bil would be a nice a modest goal for this category and I'll probably stop if I get there (I really don't wanna aim for WR in this category because capping spells with SakuyaB sucks and the execution itself seems painful)

LNN journey: Oh boy! I've got 4 games down, and more to go! MoF was done recently. And let me tell you, it was no easy task! VoWG got me 7 times! Not only that. Dying to things like Aki's final, Hina's final, Nitori's midboss, PWG, Momiji, etc. really made this more painful than it needed to be. But thankfully I did succeed despite the rage! My next target is SA! I already have two 1MNB runs of it, so I'm pretty close. It's definitely in reach but due to the unpredictable nature of LNNs, it could take from a day to a year lol. After that I'll go for IN and UFO. Then if I somehow succeed at both, I'll try EoSD. EoSD really seems painful but it can be done with a lot of effort and time.

LoLK? Ahahahaha. No. Just no. I might consider it if and only if I get every other game LNN'd. It just seems really painful and I don't like how the final attack is like super harder than everything else in the game, and making it to said attack is just near impossible. LoLK LNN grinding (even when gobou did it) just ends up being Ringo/Seiran resets and maybe the occasional Doremy (only to be killed by the first non).
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Failure McFailFace on September 22, 2016, 04:16:40 AM
looking to 1cc DDC

dies on stage 3 with max bombs

WHY
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Das on September 22, 2016, 04:37:48 AM
Currently debating whether my next LNB should be EoSD, or DDC.

a very tense decision.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on September 22, 2016, 06:28:36 AM
I'm considering starting my first lunatic soon! It will most likely be SA.

Also, I'm contemplating some no-bomb runs, but I don't know what as of yet. I did a blind SA normal no-bomb clear with 1 extra life remaining, but that's normal mode which to me is piss easy at this point.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: novice259 on September 22, 2016, 08:00:23 AM
I'm finding that I'm too used to IN's deathbomb window, I usually take way too long to bomb and I keep dying stupidly. I decided to try a Normal NB IN run to see how well I do without bombs, I made it to Kaguya's first nonspell before dying.

Also, I decided to use Netherworld Team for the first time, cleared Normal with 3 lives. From what I understand, Youmu + ghost half does way more damage to bosses than Yuyuko. My problem is that I tend to stay focused during boss battles, staying unfocused for too long scares me. In my run, I tried to stay unfocused during bosses, focusing only to dodge and readjust my aim. Seems this method works :)

Edit: Here's the run  (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=41535)if you're interested
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Catmusica on September 22, 2016, 11:59:41 AM
Probably going to try no bombs run of eosd to see how I do and build some confidence. I have most of the spells memorized except reimu b 's patchouli fight. I've played this game so many times I could get to Sakuya midboss blindfolded. Sadly my problem is making stupid mistakes like losing a life on cirno or something.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mikuru on September 22, 2016, 03:38:09 PM
I'm having similar problems with EoSD. I got the game eight days ago, and feel I should have got a normal clear by now, but either I do well in the early game and crash and burn to the Patchy/Saki double-whammy, or I make stupid mistakes in the early game, decide to keep playing anyway, get an unexpectedly good Patchy fight but don't have enough resources to finish the thing off.

My other main goal is to clear MoF Hard, which will be my first Hard clear. I got very close to this a while ago -- disappears to check the replay -- in May, but I've just gotten distracted from it. First SSS came out, then I decided to get IN and now EoSD. Well, I don't regret it because SSS and IN are enormous fun, and expanding my repertoire has improved my overall skills, but... yeah. It nags at me that I got so close, I could clear if I keep trying, but I don't have it yet.

And then I have a ton of smaller goals: improving my runs and scores in all the games I have, and clearing more Extras. I feel I should get a few more goals completed, so that I don't have so much unfinished business, before I risk getting another game. At the same time, I'm curious about the other games (9, 11, 12, 14, 15) and I'd love to give them a try. It will have to wait.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mero on September 22, 2016, 06:15:00 PM
I've been trying to get back to Touhou lately, I'm mostly playing just SA and throwing random LNB credits, going back to stage practice to try whatever I failed again.
I'm also thinking of moving touhou back to my old laptop. My current one doesn't have the best resolution to play at and I feel the screen tearing from no Vsync is worse, as it is actually distracting now (or maybe I just started to notice, idk). Really, I'd just be missing out on playing TD, DDC and LoLK without frameskip (and playing EoSD period, which is actually kind of bad).

Other than that, what has kept me from playing touhou is... other games actually, been playing some Pokemon in my wait for SM, and I got Crimzon Clover WI on that Steam shmup sale last month, and it's pretty fun.
I can't clear any Arcade mode for shit, though
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mikuru on September 22, 2016, 11:29:00 PM
Played a credit of MoF Normal just for fun.

When Nitori appeared for her brief "hi, bye again", my score was paused at the interesting value of 066626660.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Catmusica on September 23, 2016, 12:04:48 AM
I hate it when i do practice and do great but can never do good in a normal run. And im referring to that "debatable" marrionette capture. You can see why i say "debatable" as the spell starts up. I honestly dont know how to explain it in words but im still surprised by how lucky that was. heres the replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=41545
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: AstralFox on September 24, 2016, 04:48:49 AM
So while most of the Touhou games would run fine on my laptop, DDC would run at 55-58 fps, and LoLK could get down to 40 fps on attacks like Junko's last spell. There was some input lag too. I attributed the problems to my laptop being low-spec for those newer games.

Today I did a search for DDC Vpatch and came across this post by Karisa (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16804.msg1092795.html#msg1092795). There's a setting on input latency for SA and every game after! I set it from Automatic to Fast for DDC and LoLK, and just like that, neither game has input lag anymore :)

And now DDC and LoLK run at a constant 60 fps, which is pretty amazing for me.

Lots of people probably knew about the latency settings in custom.exe already, but I wanted to post about it in case anyone else was in the dark.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread
Post by: Red770 on September 24, 2016, 07:48:36 PM
I'm feelin' it today, with less ambivalence! Got sick of the repetitive music a while back, still quite good by itself, but I rarely listen to it nowadays.
Got to visit Kanako today, 1cc'd on normal, got stomped flat. :V   Probably because I'm not listening to the music... idk

I'll try to visit someone else today to see how they'll greet me. I'm starting to get back into it too (as if it was not apparent a few weeks back). I'll probably grind on lunatic difficulty and get back to you on that after my normal visit.


Whoops, my bad i didn't see this thread and accidentally bumped the old one   :ohdear:
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Karisa on September 25, 2016, 07:44:12 AM
Whoops, my bad i didn't see this thread and accidentally bumped the old one   :ohdear:
There you go, fixed.

I don't think starting new threads at 1000 posts has been necessary for years, but it's nice to have a new initial post once in a while.


Anyway, today I just discovered that this new Mac that was a gift to me a few months ago (old computer with the unreliable streaming finally broke entirely during the summer), which for some reason broke hardware compatibility with Windows 7, is actually fast enough to run recent Touhou games at full speed through Wine.

Unfortunately it can't run Shining Shooting Star at all-- it simply doesn't open, not even if I try to force Chinese locale (though it doesn't seem to be the same issue, since without Chinese locale the game normally crashes on the loading screen, as opposed to not even starting).

I might go back to scoring an official game (more LoLK Normal 2 billion attempts?) if I ever find the time, though that probably won't be anytime soon.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Catmusica on September 25, 2016, 06:46:01 PM
Tried doing a no bombs run of PCB. Even though it failed it was super fun and i got some insane dodges. I may or may not have gotten a perfect alice i cant remember. Anyways i only made it to prismriver sisters but it couldve been stage 5 if i hadnt made some stupid mistakes. Might try to do this more seriously sometime but for now back to EOSD to get that 1cc. I keep dying to the same 2 cards on remillia with reimu a. (Red Magic or the Knives version before Red magic)

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=41561
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Zigzagwolf on September 26, 2016, 11:49:37 AM
First Touhou blogging thread post of mine on this forum, felt like that would be interesting to note at the start.

I am currently working on a Touhou scoretable for myself, currently got this (http://sc-cdn.scaleengine.net/i/bc183f9ddf862b1022ca2dfcea42d766.jpg)

I doubt I'll do all of this today; I am doing this with scores of which I can prove that I have them as opposed to scores that are in the files but I have no clue what my actual scores are in them. Feels like I need to mention it, but there's gonna be a lot of empty categories that might be empty forever if I don't feel like doing them. On another note, I'm expecting to fill up some of them in the future.

As of Touhou, I'm not certain wether I'll try to push Reimu and Yuuka to 200M in Mystic Square's Extra stage, my current route for both is strong enough but I have an even stronger route for Reimu in mind (that is harder to execute.) Essentially I tried the things Zil mentioned earlier in the achievement thread for a reroute but this does not seem to work and my conclusion is that it is because most of the items in the mentioned patterns can be collected manually as opposed to the ones which cannot in the patterns I bomb for autocollection (mind that when the manually ones are collected they get me to max dream bonus and Reimu and Yuuka's dream gauge doesn't instant deplete when bombing, that also matters a lot.) In the end I end up collecting more point items in the current route as well as getting more of them at max value. I already feel like Reimu being at 193,6 Million is very strong though... But I'll give it some more shots soon enough. For now I guess I'll work on the scoretable bit by bit; aim for better scores in MS EX. Also might contemplate what I'll do soon too and publish the Vs Zun fangame video I have on private in the maintime. Right now I've got to be ready for an appointment I have in about 10 minutes though, so I guess I'll leave this blogpost at this.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mr Jovial on September 27, 2016, 09:12:37 AM
Ok, so I'm going to blog without actually playing Touhou. It's definitely Touhou related though.

So I think the last thing I said I would do was a TD LNNN with Marisa. I got bored before I even started running though, TD isn't very exciting. I took a break from Touhou, played some stuff on steam and found I really liked one game enough to speedrun it (the game is Momodora: Reverie Under the Moonlight if anyone cares). My best time was 25:55 and WR is currently 23:34 for the category I was running so my time was OK. I wanted to go faster but I found a lot of the additional strategies to be really annoying. For example, the first area of the game is probably the hardest. There's a type of enemy that is really unpredictable and just touching it kills you on this category. It takes me quite a few attempts to get through the area normally. Then the boss fight. I do a slow strategy because the fast strategy is a 2 frame trick and I don't want to deal with that after 20 attempts just to get to the boss.

The way this links to Touhou is that speedrunning is similar to scoring. To get a good score/time in a score/speedrun you normally have to follow particular methods otherwise you lose score/time. I feel the reason I gave up scoring was because I couldn't get a really important score method and there isn't really any alternative without just not doing that method and losing  a lot of points. I prefer to do challenge runs, if I have problem with something in a challenge run I just modify my strategy until it works and Touhou is great for challenge runs (which is stuff like LNB/LNN) because of its enormous skill cap. I really haven't found anything like it. So I might come back and go for another LNN in a couple of weeks, I have a feeling DDC is the game I'll try. Not sure though. Most of the games have something I don't want to deal with. DDC has Seija's flips (honestly I'm just too lazy to learn reversed controls, could get over it) and I'm not really fond of the shot types. Other games have more stuff I find annoying but DDC seems the least annoying hence why I might play that.

On an unrelated note, I'm making a fangame. Going for a 2d action platformer with some bullet hell-esque attacks. Plan is for you to avoid hits using invincibility via rolls and airdashes but it's too early in development to show it off. Only doing it for some serious programming experience and to put on my CV. C++ is hard :C
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Catmusica on September 28, 2016, 10:34:45 AM
I find it strange that i can get a perfect stage 4 but not stage 2-3 in EOSD ...
well anyways i think  have my motivaton back for this game
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: RB on September 28, 2016, 01:09:23 PM
Decided to try an SA Stage 6 practice while I'm at a public place because I was getting bored. Played it on my lap since I couldn't use a table.

After fighting Utsuho on Ultra, Normal feels easier now. 2MNB, one miss to a BoWaP spirit, which was pretty unexpected but I didn't really care about it. It was intended to be a run with an NMNB Utsuho. Another miss to the fourth nonspell, I need to find a way to do it without getting crushed by a pillar that is usually hidden by the bubbles. Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=41588)

None of the spells were threatening, Nuclear Fusion didn't give me trouble, capped Mega Flare for the first time, penultimate is a lot easier than it used to be.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: LunarWingCloud on September 30, 2016, 03:57:15 AM
Been a while since I've been here, glad to have stopped by again. Just wanted to say I've been getting back into Touhou VERY hard, and happy to be doing so. I stream on Twitch now, mostly Touhou with some other stuff mostly on PS4 or PC. But it's like 75% Touhou. I even just recently started using my YouTube again for uploading, and I started a Touhoumon 1.8 Enhanced LP on that :V

I also beat Raiko wayyyyyyyyy back in May, finally, so I'm at 6 Extra Clears. I'll get back to official Touhou games eventually. I almost got a No Miss 1cc of Normal TD too.

This is my YouTube channel in case you guys wanna check out the LP of Touhoumon 1.8 Enhanced: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfH3IOzYiREJmBc1Ayg6uww
This is my Twitch channel in case you ever would like to check out my streams (I stream 2 times a week usually, Saturday tends to be consistent): https://www.twitch.tv/lunarwingcloud

Also apparently there was that followup to Dat Youmu Game which has Sakuya, released on PS4?? :V I have Genso Rondo and I streamed that and it was fun, but BRUH, I need THAT game.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Catmusica on September 30, 2016, 12:10:52 PM
Oh you mean scarlet curiosity. I beat it the other day it's an extremely beautiful game would definitely recommend playing when you get the chance.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: LunarWingCloud on September 30, 2016, 06:08:15 PM
Yes, I'm excited to play it when I get some other games out of the way first.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on October 01, 2016, 01:28:37 AM
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First attempt at a SA easy scorerun. I didn't do any grazes here, and my emphasis was on not dying and reaching 50k PIV as soon as possible.

I will definitely be improving this. 500m is my goal at the moment. I don't know if I want to go any higher.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: LunarWingCloud on October 02, 2016, 04:15:37 AM
So today I recorded 2 parts for Touhoumon Enhanced (I don't wanna have ridiculously long parts like a lot of people have so I have 2 parts roughly 18 minutes each), and gotta say, having a CNazrin is amazing, her Pickup ability really helps in the early game. I uploaded Part 2, and as of this post have uploaded but not yet made public Part 3, but I will before I go to bed. Then I'm gonna record some more hopefully tomorrow.

Also I streamed tonight, played a few hours of Fantasy Maiden Wars, got to the Patchy fight, which was awesome. It sucks the game froze on me after I won trying to load the next part, so I'm gonna have to redo that offscreen before I stream again, but I do enjoy the game a lot so far.

Also I plan to get Scarlet Curiosity sometime before my next stream to replace Genso Rondo, because I'm honestly far more interested in a follow up to Dat Youmu Game than I am Genso Rondo.

EDIT: Part 3 is uploaded. Links to Part 2 and 3 below.

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzFMfBx60a4
Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPB8ajq2V04
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Karisa on October 02, 2016, 09:50:23 PM
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/gm9kyztsr8xcn3i/th14erb-result161002.png)
Quote from: #pc-99
[2016-10-01 23:57:48] <Karisa> 729m, getting there...
[2016-10-02 00:41:46] <Karisa> Another 8/7 clear, 731m this time
[2016-10-02 00:42:08] <Karisa> I keep missing a set or two of stage point items-- this time I died to the fairies after midboss Seija, losing her items

[2016-10-02 13:09:09] <Karisa> Just lost a potential ~743m to a death to Shinmyoumaru's 1st...

[2016-10-02 14:28:25] <Karisa> So close... this time I had a very good run up to the start of Seija, and somehow died by not moving out of the way of a lone bullet during her first spell
[2016-10-02 14:29:44] <Karisa> I played played out the rest and finished with 734m, meaning with that spell bonus, and higher spell bonuses from being at 4 power for the next two spells, it could've been ~747m
[2016-10-02 14:32:48] <Karisa> ...wait I forgot to mention that I somehow forgot to ram an orb right before Seija, and missed that 2.0 as a result
[2016-10-02 14:33:08] <Karisa> Which is probably why I wasn't concentrating enough on her first spell
Reviewing Lollipop's replay seems to have prompted me to improve my own score. I haven't succeeded yet, though. So many close runs with a single major mistake.

I've adjusted my route in stage 2 and 5, enough to squeeze out another life's worth of 2.0s, which I've been using to bomb two of Yatuhashi's nonspells like K・G does instead of one. Not sure if it's worth it though-- the suicide to Yatsuhashi gains ~1200 PIV, but costs ~1m from the next spell due to the lower power, and another ~1m from power items.

The record is 747,345,270 by K・G (or the easier-to-type K@G in-game), for anyone who doesn't know.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Yuuka Kazami on October 06, 2016, 08:21:57 PM
I've decided to finally move to take Touhou more seriously than I have in the past, and will looking to do Lunatic clears for the first time on my favorite games.

I'll be starting with Lotus Land Story, Mystic Square, EoSD, and PoFV, which are my favorite games to be my first clears.

In past I was satisfied with normal 1cc clears and runs with continues, but I'm ready to push even further, not getting any younger.

Will hopefully try to upload my clears to youtube as well.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: LunarWingCloud on October 07, 2016, 02:59:21 PM
I've been making attempts to 1cc EoSD Hard with default stock. I keep derping up around Stage 4 or even earlier and the best I've done recently is Sakuya, but farthest I've ever gotten was late into the Remilia fight. Eventually I'll pull it off.

Also been trying to No Miss 1cc TD Normal, which has not gone well after the initial attempt where I failed right on Laser of Seventeen Articles :V been unable to replicate anything close to that good since, and messed up multiple times either during Futo, her stage, or on Miko.

And as well, I have been uploading more Touhoumon Enhanced, I beat Brock recently (the gym leader music is good!) and marched through Route 3, and I'm headed into Mt. Moon next time. Playlist here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjvFChQTwRxd-gVa8_oFbBWahXG7tLkG1

Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mero on October 08, 2016, 02:56:44 AM
I've been trying to get back to Touhou lately, I'm mostly playing just SA and throwing random LNB credits, going back to stage practice to try whatever I failed again.

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Guess it was just a matter of time.
The run was kind of meh, no remarkable captures and mostly predictable deaths... except Utsuho's opener, that's literally the first time I've ever died to that, on any difficulty.
Funny enough, it's still my best LNB of this game; the only other two I've done were both 10 misses, and this one was 9, so it's progress, I guess.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mikuru on October 16, 2016, 05:32:49 PM
Another funny number: EoSD Normal MarisaB attempt (last one I need to have 1cced all shot types). When Remilia appeared, I had 99,998,870.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Emerald Mint on October 17, 2016, 04:53:10 AM
I've gotten over internal competitive issues over time and can continue playing as long as it's fun in some way or another.
Currently working on UFO progress with a mix of score/survival strats. Can now actually get to Murasa on Lunatic and Ichirin's spell cards aren't as punishing as before, except perhaps #38: Annihilation "Consecutive Hooks Throughout Heaven and Earth", need to work on my dexterity for that one.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: LunarWingCloud on October 17, 2016, 06:41:53 AM
So, I was streaming some Touhou over the weekend. I streamed Scarlet Curiosity and Fantasy Maiden Wars, along with some non-Touhou stuff.

But I'd like to share 2 particular videos.

Video 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-zXgGiEjLU)

First of all, I'm so thankful everyone checked this out, I've never had a video reach as many views as this, even if it's only a few hundred! ;w; In this video from Scarlet Curiosity, I was playing as Sakuya and somehow, she just walked through one of the steps during an attack sequence and dropped into an abyss and died. I've heard of silly stuff like this happening in Scarlet Curiosity, but this is the first time this has happened.

Video 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GEf-OBoozI)

In this video I was playing Fantasy Maiden Wars, and it was my first attempt against Flandre Scarlet. She wiped my team and for some reason, after Keine died, I got the Game Over but I SOMEHOW DID NOT GET BOOTED TO THE TITLE SCREEN. Instead, Flandre left me in a purgatory, where I could move the cursor and perform turns, but I had no units. I could even examine everything on the battlefield as normal. Flandre just moved around aimlessly for a few turns, kek. The full moment, which has some commentary from my stream, is linked in the description of the video in case you'd like to see that.

So of course I had to upload those to YouTube because they're both worth a short lol.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on October 27, 2016, 01:54:53 AM
After a couple weeks of not playing Touhou because of events on 100% Orange Juice (gotta get DLC and all the new event skins!), I decided to derust by playing UFO hard.
And, unfortunately, I game overed to Legendary Flying Saucer, with no resources left.  :(

I can definitely get this 1cc if I played less recklessly and panic bombed less often. Reimu A is the based shot of this game.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Neptune on October 28, 2016, 08:50:54 AM
Hmm.

So, before, I used to really dislike IN for a bit. Like, it was by far, my least favorite game, or at least second least favorite.

I still occasionally played it for a little bit, as I wanted to clear it with all the solo shots, but I stopped playing it for at least a month or so.

Now, I have a new friend who really likes IN, and as a result, I got the urge to play IN again. This time, instead of listening to the same ingame music, I decided to try listening to some other remixes of songs and such, of my favorite songs in Touhou, and well, surprisingly, I'm really enjoying IN again. I dunno, maybe it's because I really dislike the Stage 1 Stage & Boss theme (after hearing them so much, anyways), but this game is now way more fun for me.

Solo Youmu is incredibly fun to use, and she's probably another reason why I like playing this game so much now.

I feel motivated to actually go for things in this game now, like NM, or NB, or something. Eventually I want to try out Lunatic in this game, as well.

Feels kind of weird to say that I'm really enjoying my former least favorite game so much, although, this isn't the first time that's happened. Maybe I should try this with some other games when I get bored of them. :v

I'm really tired, so I apologize if nothing makes sense
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: DarkPermafrost on October 29, 2016, 02:30:55 AM
So I recently tried my hand at some ISC scoring. I'd say it went... eh. I subsequently improved the score slightly, but this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WI4NGXFgTc) gives the gist of it, I guess.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mero on November 02, 2016, 02:36:04 AM
I don't think this has to do with gameplay to ask in the help thread, so I'll ask here. Does anyone know how to make the DS+ games portable (as in self-contained in the game folder)?

I remember you just had to write a command in notepad and save it as a .bat file... but I don't remember what to write

E: nvm found it (https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Double_Spoiler/Tools)
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: RB on November 04, 2016, 04:01:25 AM
im getting close to an lnb
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/244755639841062913/255291259822800896/gdi_cp.png)
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Zigzagwolf on November 04, 2016, 03:19:36 PM
im getting close to an lnb
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cv9iNmKdJUM/WBv-NxER5RI/AAAAAAAADsg/4o9_VGc1l64qKB6nbI8Ge9mv5vTvD5_dgCLcB/w530-h618-p-rw/gdi%2Bcp.png)
Doing pretty good, certain you will get it soon. A few days ago I tried EoSD LNB and got to stage 5 midboss Sakuya, I should focus a bit more on attempting that.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Karisa on November 08, 2016, 12:28:51 PM
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/gm9kyztsr8xcn3i/th14erb-result161002.png)
(https://dl.dropbox.com/s/013frjd1lndj2ha/th14erb-20161108-result.png)
1 month later, the entire results screen is full of 730m+ scores, the latest of which still scored higher than my old 737m from 3 years ago despite failing two of Seija's spells (~10m each not counting the effect of lower power).

762m is possible with this route; this particular failed attempt (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=41894) was 2100 PIV ahead after stage 2. But how long until I don't have a silly death later in the run that fails a spell or drops a set of point items?
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on November 09, 2016, 09:45:04 AM
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Seems like Shoot the Bullet really isn't that hard of a game, huh?
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: KingofBaka on November 10, 2016, 12:33:55 AM
Recently, I've been trying to finally achieve a SA Normal 1cc. Today, I actually came close to the 1cc three different times but all three times, I choked and got a game over on Hell's Artificial Sun. Even though I'm unhappy with the way the runs ended, it still shows that I am improving as before I couldn't consistently clear Stage 5 :).

Also, playing LoLK and ISC over again after the save data didn't work after copying the save over to my laptop. In LoLK, I reduced my Pointdevice retry count by over 200. Played Extra as well and made it to Hecatias 2nd spell first try so that's some progress as well.

Not too much going on in ISC yet, made it to day 5 and got all the items before calling it quits for the day. Hopefully I remember how to do most of the stages from here on out (Although I already know I'm going to have "fun" on 10-9 ::)).
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mikuru on November 10, 2016, 11:23:49 PM
When I first started playing high-fps, I didn't really know what to expect in terms of what I'd actually be able to achieve. Still, I'm pretty solid at the MoF main game, so getting Easy 120fps and Normal 90fps weren't too surprising. Extra 90fps though? Nah, that was something to leave to players of a higher tier.

And yet, after giving it some real attention this week, I might actually be able to do this. My best attempt just now got all the way to Suwa War before game over (unfortunately, not even to the difficult part of Suwa War, but then, it's a very long time since I've seen that spellcard). If I can get this, that will definitely be my best Touhou achivement so far. I hope I can do it before the end of 2016 :)
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on December 07, 2016, 07:32:01 PM
So I have been doing individual Stage Practices for all Stages of PCB on Lunatic (Except Stage 1 of course).

As it turns out, I am actually more likely to mess up on Stage 4 (Lily/Spam), 3 (Alice First Spell), and even somehow 2 (Just because I get cocky), than Stage 5...
Because on all other Stages other than 5 I feel like I am likely to mess up, but strangely I just perfected the entire Stage 5 again... TWO times... I feel conformable enough with it, despise it being the hardest one :/ lol.

I should probably focus on practicing Yuyuko since shes my weakest point in the whole game right now.-

I think I should be able to Lunatic No Bombs this.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on December 19, 2016, 07:19:42 AM
Ok I need someones opinion on this:

Lets say there are two PCB Lunatic runs;

The first of them is a Lunatic No Bombs No Border Breaks... but it features 10 misses, half of them are incredibly stupid... (Like, dying on easy stuff like Stage 2, for starters...)
The second of them is a Lunatic No Bombs... with 1 Border Break (Gah!) so it loses that condition... however, it only has 4-5 misses, which were, for the most of the part, expected.

What one do you think its the better run? The No Bombs & No Border Breaks, despise the fact it technically has more mistakes on it, or the plain No Bombs one because it actually has less mistakes on it, despise the loss of the Border Break condition...
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ZM on December 19, 2016, 08:03:33 AM
Ok I need someones opinion on this:

Lets say there are two PCB Lunatic runs;

The first of them is a Lunatic No Bombs No Border Breaks... but it features 10 misses, half of them are incredibly stupid... (Like, dying on easy stuff like Stage 2, for starters...)
The second of them is a Lunatic No Bombs... with 1 Border Break (Gah!) so it loses that condition... however, it only has 4-5 misses, which were, for the most of the part, expected.

What one do you think its the better run? The No Bombs & No Border Breaks, despise the fact it technically has more mistakes on it, or the plain No Bombs one because it actually has less mistakes on it, despise the loss of the Border Break condition...

The latter would be the superior run due to having less mistakes. As long as that border break wasn't intentional, either count it as a miss or just call it L4/5MNB1BB.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: DarkPermafrost on December 22, 2016, 01:57:32 AM
I've recently started doing DDC LNB attempts and they are seriously getting quite annoying.

A good proportion of my runs fall flat because of silly mistakes before Kagerou, and majority of those that miraculously don't just get their lives chomped off by her to the point where I can't be bothered to continue with the run anymore.

This is also because a lot of the strategies I used while routing in stage practice assumes that I have 4 power to shotgun bosses with SakuyaA. When I make silly mistakes like die just before Benben, I won't be able to recover to shotgun-skip almost every attack she has (except Double Score, which I die to regardless).

The same goes for Seija and her comparatively deadly stage closing section. Not having 4 power means I can't shotgun Evil in the Mirror, Overturning All Under Heaven or Dream Bow of Heaven and Earth's Decree. This would not be too much of a problem if not for the fact that I usually enter stage 5 with less than 2 lives.

I realize that overreliance on SakuyaA's shotgunning ability isn't particularly a good idea, but it's probably my best bet.

TL;DR: Got 5 LNB runs to Seija. Lost 5 LNB runs to Seija.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on January 02, 2017, 12:32:03 AM
I just had one of the most interesting "lol hitbox" moments I have personally seen in my own replays...

I mean, I have heard the lasers have a slight delay between when their visible hitbox spawns and when their actual hitbox gets active, but this just looks ridiculous:


(https://s28.postimg.org/ypoyu8ct9/lolhitbox.png)


Yep, what you are seeing is Reimu, literally right IN the middle of the laser!

I don't think this even counts as a proper dodge because the hitboxes are definitively touching each other, Reimu hitbox or not, no questions about it, at least the visual ones that is.

Its not like the laser JUST spawned either, I am sure you all know that the laser only gets this big after about 1 sec of spawning on this spell... to me at least it seems fully active... So why didnt Reimu die? lol. Must have been a pixel/frame perfect thing or something...

When stuff like this happens, I am really curious on exactly how close I was to dying.

Well, not that I am complaning... I got out of it alive ^^ (Too bad I died earlier on the spell).

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On other news, I just got a LNBNBB8M, a sligth improvement over my previous 10 miss run...

While I am not downright dissapointed on it like my trash 10 miss run, I am not fully satisfied with it, either. Theres still room for improvement, and this had somewhat less stupid deaths, except to Alice, who killed me not once but TWICE.

Who the hell dies two times to an easy stage 3 boss on a serious run? I was THIS close to just ALTing + F4 the game and call it a day, but I keep going for whatever reason...

Still, the run had a couple of good moments so its not TOTALLY bad... Ideally, I know that on a good day this 8 miss could be more like a 4-5 miss run... for the moment though, this will do.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ZM on January 23, 2017, 03:29:48 PM
(http://puu.sh/twuh1/c4a07b34f3.png)

Only a matter of time...
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on January 25, 2017, 06:45:57 PM
Sometimes I do wonder if I am doing myself any harm by completely skipping Hard difficulty in all games...(I go from 1ccing Normal to straight into trying a Lunatic 1cc).

So far it has worked out just fine, but thinking on future projects, I wonder if this will be a good idea (UFO...).

Maybe for UFO I will make an exception, and actually go for Hard 1cc first.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on January 25, 2017, 07:16:56 PM
Sometimes I do wonder if I am doing myself any harm by completely skipping Hard difficulty in all games...(I go from 1ccing Normal to straight into trying a Lunatic 1cc).

So far it has worked out just fine, but thinking on future projects, I wonder if this will be a good idea (UFO...).

Maybe for UFO I will make an exception, and actually go for Hard 1cc first.
IMO it really does not matter, as long as you put in the effort to practice whatever you want to do.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Tashi on January 26, 2017, 03:29:58 PM
After having three Extra Clears in my side, and that doing Normal 1cc is relatively easy for me (I think), I'm looking forward to turn things on and start with hard.

Results:

> I hate Hina's tiny black bullets in the last spellcard, in MoF.
> I hate Meiling's first spellcard (as a boss, not mid), in EoSD.
> I hate Marisa in IN. (All difficulties :V)
> Heck! I think Mokou is more easy than 1cc any Touhou game in Hard! What the hell is this?!

... Guess I will jump to Lunatic :P

EDIT: Wow! Talk about ironic things! Suwako, the extra boss that took me so many tries to beat, is defeated by Reimu B and C... one after the other. The most incredible thing? Those were credits to just pass the time, not an actual run. Get rekt Suwako.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mikuru on February 07, 2017, 03:18:18 AM
I just realised that the symbol for "no focus" on http://replays.gensokyou.org/index.php is two yin-yang orbs. I always thought it was a cat.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on February 25, 2017, 03:27:27 AM
Currently grinding the heck out of EoSD after my best Lunatic 1cc attempt run so far meet its tragic end RIGHT in the very end of the very last attack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gOmGQurnZw).

In particular I am grinding Stages 4 and 5 since I believe those are my weakest parts of the game. There has been some progress, but I still would like some consistency...

2 things that bother me a lot here:

1) Patchy non-spells can go to hell. They are kinda on the easy side, but can/WILL kill you unexpectedly everynow and then. On practice, it does not matter. On an actual run... yeah, bombing the heck out of them.
2) Stage 5 portion... cant quite figure it out yet. The wallfairies are probably the worst part. With my route I can only get by about 50% of the time, and its all thanks to this damn fairy right here:
(https://s28.postimg.org/gqc11jqe5/dsadsa.jpg)

This fairy is the reason of why I die here half the time. If luck is not on my side and it decides to shoot to my side a lot, it WILL almost certainly wall me. Its a VERY annoying section.I can kill all other wallfairies quickly except this one...


Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mero on March 16, 2017, 03:21:05 AM
I've been playing LoLK quite a lot this week, mostly Extra as I was never really satisfied with my clear of it tanking everything with Reisen.
I'm just trying to NB clear, but it's proving to be quite an annoying task, not because it's too hard, but because outside of Lunatic Impact, every death just feels incredibly stupid (especially Junko's shit).

I also gave Martin's boss rush patch a try. Junko's was somehow my best Stage 4+ fight, with only 3 misses (two of them on PDH), compared to Sagume's four and Clownpiece's six (I miss IN's star hitboxes). If I manage to fix my atrocious Clownpiece fight record, maybe I'll try to get LNB soon, too.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mikuru on March 17, 2017, 06:30:49 PM
I'm getting more confident at MoF scoring, ready to make the final push to try to hit 1 billion. Up to now my weakest part has been Stage 4, but I've been practising that a lot, and just now had a run that was really solid all the way to the end of S4. Unfortunately I died on Aya's final :( but still, that's an improvement in my game that I can feel really good about.

Just got to keep at it until I combine good scoring with a no-miss :)
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Nova234 on March 17, 2017, 08:05:00 PM
Yeah, Aya's final can be surprisingly nasty. The worst part is that it seems like it should be a relatively easy attack (especially coming off the tail end of PWG), so I feel like an idiot every time I get hit.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mikuru on March 17, 2017, 11:17:58 PM
Ironically enough, by this point Illusionary Dominance is the only one of Aya's attacks I feel entirely comfortable with.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Failure McFailFace on March 19, 2017, 04:27:10 AM
I decided to succumb to my masochism again and play Double Spoiler.

It's still really hard. I managed to gold 6-8, but not 6-3, yet.

I also notice that the wiki's strategy gets very sparse or nonexistent once you get to 9+ -x, despite the fact it's been literal years since I've looked at those pages. Can a more skilled player than me make some guides for the levels past 9-x?
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on March 19, 2017, 10:13:22 PM
I decided to succumb to my masochism again and play Double Spoiler.

It's still really hard. I managed to gold 6-8, but not 6-3, yet.

I also notice that the wiki's strategy gets very sparse or nonexistent once you get to 9+ -x, despite the fact it's been literal years since I've looked at those pages. Can a more skilled player than me make some guides for the levels past 9-x?
But you can reach the gold requirement for any scene in just one photo... you should be able to automatically gold any scene upon clearing it.  :V

There are video guides out there for Double Spoiler (and Shoot the Bullet too). Unfortunately the Wiki isn't the strongest gameplay strategy wise. I have strats for each scene as well, although I didn't annotate them.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on March 27, 2017, 03:02:18 AM
So I have been doing some more serious PCB practice grinding, finally with some good results!

The 2 annoying Yuyuko spells that I had no real clue on how to do them, and as a result were most certainly guaranteed deaths? (Demon Dance and Butterfly Delusion if you are wondering) well I just found routes for both of them and now I practically dont die to either of them! Together with everything else I have learned, I can now pretty much perfect the whole Yuyuko fight very consistently save for Resurrection Butterfly which still kills me occasionally... But overall I say this is pretty good!

Stage 6 spam is still the Stage 6 spam. Nothing much I can do about that. But I noticed I have been getting slightly more consistent at capturing it. I now cap it about 4 times out of 10 as opposed to like only 1 out of 10 attempts... That's something, right? :P

I also found a way to properly misdirect Youmu's opener twice and with little risk as it should be. Thus her first spellcard is the only really dangerous thing about her (the rest of the fight is not exactly EASY though but its certainly manageable).

Stage 4 is easy except for Lily/spam which is occasionally mean, and also Lunasa's opener is def. The hardest part in the whole stage, but I usually manage to perfect it.

Stage 3 has Alice first spellcard that can sometimes give trouble. Otherwise, easy.

Obviously the first 2 stages are trivial.


So, to recap, I figured all this up;
Troublesome Spots:
1) Alice's First Spell
2) Lily/Spam
3) Lunasa's opener
4) Youmu's First Spell
5) LE SPAM
6) Resurrection Butterfly

... That's it. Other than those 6 dangerous spots... I practiced so much I can do everything else with really, really good consistency (Capture it 80%+ of the time= Really good consistency to me).

And out of that list, I can keep grinding the heck out of those things so I can be more consistent at them, too. Well, except the spam. Screw the spam. But, other than it, if I can do this... If I can manage to get all of the other 5 points down...

I didn't want to come to this, because up until recently I haven't realized just how close I was, but if this continues going right and I keep grinding ...












I think I might actually be ready to go for an LNNN.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on April 12, 2017, 12:06:35 AM
The other day per chance I decided to check out the stats screen of my PCB only to find out this...WTH??

Is there a know bug on this screen that makes it say wrong stats or something? (I heard IN?s has some issues) Because I mean, I just...

Can you see whats wrong in this picture?


(https://s18.postimg.org/c97znzspl/th001.jpg)

This makes zero sense.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: DarkPermafrost on April 14, 2017, 05:37:48 AM
I beat MPP Lunatic the other day, but my replay desynced... on the final spell. Quite a shame, really.

So naturally I did it again. It was irritating, but it's nice to see that I don't suck as much at the game as I did when I first started out and had to make sense of everything.

MPP Lunatic 1cc (recorded live) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1FJchofNdo)
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Nim on April 14, 2017, 02:29:49 PM
1cc'd four games on normal by now.
Attempting to beat an extra boss for my very first time. Never made it to a survival spellcard yet though.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ふねん1 on April 14, 2017, 08:31:20 PM
So something else I've started picking up alongside my recent DDC practice has been attempts at a full perfect 1cc of MoF. My first Lunatic no-bombs 1cc of the game years ago ended up perfecting every stage but Stage 4 (5 deaths), something that greatly surprised me at the time because I was coming off a month-plus hiatus (computer issues, so I didn't even have a choice) and I was still super rusty. The fact I did so well regardless of that has certainly made a LNN more feasible to shoot for in my eyes, and given the recent groove I've gotten into, I figured I could get started on it here. Two days ago I got my first no-bombs 1cc since that first one years ago, also 5 deaths but most of them to the usual suspects rather than all in one stage. And today I set a new personal best, a 4MNB 1cc (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=42939) with deaths on Momiji, PWG, Yamato Torus, and Source of Rains. Kinda wish I could take back those last two deaths, but Kanako has been proving surprisingly hard to get re-used to, so that's gonna take some more work. At least I'm mostly back to my old skills on VoWG. Obviously a run like this is gonna take some luck to put everything together when you have attacks like Momiji's nonspell and PWG, but this still oughta be an interesting challenge.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on April 16, 2017, 06:07:23 PM
I beat MPP Lunatic the other day, but my replay desynced... on the final spell. Quite a shame, really.

So naturally I did it again. It was irritating, but it's nice to see that I don't suck as much at the game as I did when I first started out and had to make sense of everything.

MPP Lunatic 1cc (recorded live) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1FJchofNdo)
Nice. I did the same thing too (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNIifidDe9k) but it was a replay recording. Not sure why your first replay desynced, my first extra clear which was my second ever replay saved also desynced.

I'm honestly quite glad this game has this sort of system, because it gives an incentive for me to learn the bosses and route the stages in order to do well at it. I don't think any other game benefits you this much from capturing spells. I wish to see a future Touhou give an incentive to capture spells and such.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on April 18, 2017, 03:31:44 AM
How the heck do you go on about seriously planning to do an LNNN guys.

This is getting stupid. SO MANY RESTARTS. THERES ZERO ERROR TOLERANCE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I don't know what to do. Should I start to try to dedicate ALL my time purely and exclusively on trying to get PCB LNNN or should I just take it easy and mix it up with some other goal to not burn out and just casually use some credits every now and then?

The best/worst thing is that I actually feel like I can do this. I just need the one run that has good luck/good play on all hard sections. And there arent many, but playing perfectly for 25 minutes is not easy.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ふねん1 on April 18, 2017, 04:30:47 AM
Expanding this beyond PCB to just general LNNs, the main reason I would ever consider a challenge like an LNN is because I'm familiar enough with a game and generally find it fun enough that grinding through the inevitable one or two "really hard attacks" doesn't feel like a chore. Keeping anything that could become a mental block (like restarts or repeated near-misses in this case) in check is important to reduce the amount of stress I might put on myself - basically it's a matter of making sure my mindset is in the right place in the first place. I don't know much about your history with PCB, so I defer to you on how well you think you know the game, and I assume you like it enough to go for a LNNN. But if all the restarts are becoming grating, I'd definitely try something to mix it up a little, like a different goal (perhaps briefly, so you don't get too absorbed into that instead), or even just not restarting a failed run so you can get more comfortable playing through the whole game. Variety is the spice of life, as they say. But yeah, these challenges are hard for a reason, and they usually take a while to get "the one run", but that doesn't have to be a bad thing if you approach it well.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Jimmy on April 18, 2017, 02:55:32 PM
Already managed to Normal 1cc UFO with three playables...
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...but still struggling with SA Normal regardless of shottypes.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on April 19, 2017, 03:56:07 AM
Expanding this beyond PCB to just general LNNs, the main reason I would ever consider a challenge like an LNN is because I'm familiar enough with a game and generally find it fun enough that grinding through the inevitable one or two "really hard attacks" doesn't feel like a chore. Keeping anything that could become a mental block (like restarts or repeated near-misses in this case) in check is important to reduce the amount of stress I might put on myself - basically it's a matter of making sure my mindset is in the right place in the first place. I don't know much about your history with PCB, so I defer to you on how well you think you know the game, and I assume you like it enough to go for a LNNN. But if all the restarts are becoming grating, I'd definitely try something to mix it up a little, like a different goal (perhaps briefly, so you don't get too absorbed into that instead), or even just not restarting a failed run so you can get more comfortable playing through the whole game. Variety is the spice of life, as they say. But yeah, these challenges are hard for a reason, and they usually take a while to get "the one run", but that doesn't have to be a bad thing if you approach it well.



OK, thanks. I do definitively love PCB enough for this, its my favorite Touhou game after all. I generally don't mind grinding too much so that's fine, I think I will be alright. If it gets too annoying I will try to do the NMNBNF EoSD Extra run I had in mind or something else.

Because of this, I started to try to seriously go for an LNNN, and this will be my main goal for the following weeks at least.

So far, I have this to report from all of the grinding done so far:


 PCB NBNBB6M (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=42970) 


Yes, this is a new personal best!
Its a 6 Miss, as opposed to my previous 8 Miss... its not that much of an improvement, but its a start.

Literally all of the deaths except one were pathetic though, lmao.

Someone who pretends to LNNN cant die to stuff like:

Alice?s White Russian Dolls (Never die to this wth)
Prismriver?s Concerto Grosso (Its not that hard)
Yuyuko?s Village (The heck? This is very easy how could I die to this!), second non (What), Sumizome (For some reason Yuyuko moved in the opposite direction she always moves to even though my movements were the same... she NEVER did this before).


Oh well. Some positives, first time I manage to perfect Stage 5 on an actual run (I did it tons of times before on Practice, but somehow doing it on an actual run gives me more confidence), and RB cap was a nice surprise- too bad it was wasted on an otherwise kinda meh run.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mero on April 20, 2017, 06:34:54 AM
I did my first attempt to LNB LoLK in a long while a few days ago.
It didn't happen, I was on my last life at Junko and I accidentally bombed on her third spell, and ended the fight on no conditions (I didn't really care for that, though. It was a deathbomb, it would have been game over anyway). Now, on one hand it shouldn't bother me that much, my early game was ass; but on the other, stages 4 and 5 were really good, then I really fucked up on Junko. I entered with two lives, enough to cover my PB on her (accounting for mid-fight extends), but I just die instantly to her first two attacks. Great going.
I'll have to polish my early game, and get more comfortable with Sagume's fight as Reimu to time stuff down for graze, as my single miss on her was offset by getting only two pieces in the entire fight.

And I gave up on XNB for now. I already got Hecatia's fight NB on Martin's boss rush patch, and honestly that's enough for me, the stage is kind of boring to grind it and then lose to those dumb nons
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Elysia on April 23, 2017, 12:57:15 AM
So I finally, FINALLY got a new computer today. I haven't been able to play any games, Touhou included, for months and holy crap it feels so good to get back into it again.

That's also why I kind of stopped coming to MotK, everyone always posting about Touhou (of course they were, it's a Touhou board!) just made me feel worse about not being able to play.

But I'M BACK AGAIN. Oh, and I broke in the new computer by checking if I'd gotten rusty. Took me like three tries but I made it to Boundary of Humans and Youkai in PCB Phantasm.

...at 75 fps.

...no vertical. :]
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Failure McFailFace on April 23, 2017, 04:57:49 PM
Been reading up on PoFV on the wiki, and found these lines:
Quote
6. Number affecting lvl 2 and 3 spells
7. Number affecting lvl 4 spells

I see these in game, but there's no explanation anywhere about how they work.

Similarly, the gameplay pages for StB and DS have pretty vague information about how the base scores are calculated, using "presumably" on both pages. There's no technical information or anything, just that big = more score, but small = more bullets = more score.

Makes me wonder whether or not if anyone has decompiled StB and DS to find how the picture scores work.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Karisa on April 24, 2017, 04:02:30 PM
Is there anyone among the English-speaking players who knows StB/DS well enough to document those? Hard to tell if anyone plays them beyond clearing scenes, with no scene-based scoreboard, and rarely accomplishment thread posts about them.

Actually, that's a good question. Would there be any interest in StB/DS/ISC scoreboards? The problem with those is the sheer number of replays would make it tedious to update, but it could be worth a try...?
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: HotoCocoa on April 25, 2017, 09:10:40 AM
Is there anyone among the English-speaking players who knows StB/DS well enough to document those? Hard to tell if anyone plays them beyond clearing scenes, with no scene-based scoreboard, and rarely accomplishment thread posts about them.
I don't know if you've heard of him but chum is an english-speaking player right? Last I checked he dominates the DS royalflare scoreboard and has very good scores in STB aswell. I don't think it's right to say no one plays scenegames for score in the west.

(http://i.imgur.com/jiMmIlm.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/s2X2SFO.png)

Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Karisa on April 25, 2017, 11:36:58 AM
Yes, he's known for sure, though I thought mainly for GFW. And for elitism. Didn't he disrupt a replay showcase stream not too long ago?

Doesn't seem to be the sort of person who'd document scoring mechanics (if he was willing to, it probably would've already been done by now), but feel free to ask. I wouldn't bother, though.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: HotoCocoa on April 25, 2017, 02:32:51 PM
Elitism doesn't make your knowledge invalid, also from what I remember chum is unrelated to the replay showcase.

If he's unwilling I think that's because deep documentation of STB and especially DS is impossible, the mechanics are very deep and vary somewhat depending on character. Making notes that are understood by other people for every scene is just too difficult and time-consuming. chum does give advice if you ask about a specific scene atleast (speaking from personal experience here), if you want a more general grasp of scoring mechanics isn't the wiki good enough?

Even if someone did all of this documentation I doubt that would generate any interest for the games, if there's no interest in it by now there won't be a sudden surge of new players just because someone posted notes about it.

Now that I think about it aren't all the other games just as dry in scoring information? Your best bet would be the wiki but it's riddled with inaccuracies (for the ones I've looked at) and doesn't actually tell you how to do anything in their respective games.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Karisa on April 25, 2017, 05:04:16 PM
Wait, are you referring to the "Gameplay" pages or the "Strategy" pages? Since I wouldn't expect a scene-by-scene breakdown on something that'd document how point calculation works-- or are you saying that every single scene uses a different calculation formula? The strategy pages are well known to be so inaccurate they aren't useful; they'd likely need to be entirely restructured. The gameplay pages, however, tend to document the mechanics of the main series pretty well in my experience. They didn't always, though; there was a time when they were filled with copy-pasting from the wrong game articles. StB/DS probably never went through that kind of update due to a lack of players.

Also, first you seemed to imply chum could document the mechanics if he cared to. Now you're claiming no one can?
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: friend on April 25, 2017, 05:59:31 PM
It was pretty rude of you to so bluntly dismiss me in your initial post, as you should be well aware of my existence, as the photo games are some of the rare Touhou games to have a "western" player at the top and in addition, I can't remember ever offending you so. In fact, the one conversation I recall ever having with you seemed pleasant enough. The only two points I'll accept are that I'm more known for GFW, which is likely true, and that I'm an elitist, which is depending on your definition possibly true. I've long since come to accept that I'm more geared towards elitism than the average player. However, you should think a bit about the implications behind these points. If you're saying that I'm an elitist and that means I'll never contribute or help anyone else, and that's why they shouldn't bother to ask, then that is wrong. It's pretty clear you haven't been around the same places I've been around because I'm very open about everything I know about the games I play, and I've actively helped... I would go so far as to say I've coached a few players. I've done numerous photo game streams and I openly answer questions and explain mechanics, tricks, subtleties, techniques and anything. To assume that someone who believes in elitism (which to me is the basis of the STG genre given that a higher score generally means a higher quality performance) is automatically out of the question since they would never help anyone or contribute is utterly ridiculous, and that's what I've been getting out of your first two posts. This seems like some kind of guilt by association thing, or possibly because I've long since disliked MoTK. You do realize that a Mod bluntly dismissing myself who has done a lot for the community isn't exactly going to make myself like MoTK any more than I do currently? I can assure you that I really dislike this place and how it's been run, always have, but that's my business and I'm not letting that get to my head when I evaluate others.

Now, as for the reality of my relationship with the photo games, I've put about twice as much time into them as GFW (About even efforts with all 3 games). So being more known for GFW is actually not something I've wanted, since I've worked hard on all 3 games, and nowadays I'm just focusing on Double Spoiler. As for the Touhou Wiki page, expecting any of the game pages to be very helpful on more than a cursory level is simply wrong to begin with, not just in the photo games. I'll give you that I'm not going to just create a Wiki page, because I've long since viewed the Touhou Wiki game pages to not even attempt to do some kind of decompile TAS tools thing to begin with, and I know I'm not the best person for extracting DATA, I don't have any tools to do this. Otherwise I'd have already looked into for example the base value of each kind of bullet, not just for others sakes, but for my own as well and try to find some exact data about how speed affects this value. Because I don't know, and I don't have the tools to find out, I can't help. However, you couldn't know what I'm able to do and not do, you just assumed that I'm not even going to bother even if I was able to with your strange reasoning, glossing over my existence no doubt out of a personal dislike of myself.

Touhou Replay Showcase is always disrupted by various things, every single stream. I may have uttered the occasional meme at some point or said something flippant, but what are you holding against me here for exactly...? Do you even know what's happened or what I've done? Is this just something you heard somewhere? If you ask me, the commentators themselves are disruptive and even incredibly hostile sometimes. There was one time where a few people got themsleves banned from TRS, but I wasn't and you'd have to be actively looking to be offended if you'd say I disrupted the stream that time. I've submitted quite a few photo game replays and with rough explanations of the scene. Noone's told me I'm doing anything wrong other than an exploding ZigZagWolf who has been by far the worst presence on TRS (I'm assuming he had a bad day that time) Absolutely tearing apart anyone who he deemed to have contributed to a small mess of the stream that day, including myself for unknown reasons. Compared to him or Sakurei, I'd say whatever remarks I may have made are very light and hardly disruptive. If I was really a problem then it doesn't seem like anyone really thinks so, for so far I've refrained from starting arguments in the stream chat, like about how more people should try to score for instance (more than 90% of runs submitted are survival runs)

Leaving that be, though, for I have faith you understand now that your initial thoughts and assumptions were somewhat illogical and that it is actually reasonable to get pure game related information out of me when asked, as for how the games works on a cursory level, are you sure the wiki doesn't explain that already, because that shouldn't be that hard to fix, particularly not with Shoot the Bullet which is more simplistic. It all depends on what kind of information someone is really after, I don't think anyone who wants to play for score is going to get a lot of help out of the wikipedia, regardless, but I'm certainly for any and all improvements in that area, it's nice to put your favorite games on the map. I've just assumed the Wikipedia usage to have declined in general and that scoreplayers have no need of it.

If you actually want exact and thorough data then you need a TASer because I'm not really able to provide enough meaningful information about STB or DS.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: HotoCocoa on April 25, 2017, 06:15:28 PM
Karisa: My point was that there are infact photogame players in the west, but it ended up looking like I was contradicting myself with another point entirely.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on April 25, 2017, 06:23:51 PM
I can vouch for Touhouwiki not exactly having the best gameplay strategy pages. In fact, the strategy pages almost never match up with what high scoring routes actually do.

I can also vouch for photogame strats. He has backlogs of many scenes and is willing to explain the utilized strategies in detail. I'm sure the same holds true with plenty of other high scorers.

What we can agree on, though, is no one scores ISC seriously now. :V
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Zigzagwolf on April 25, 2017, 09:16:09 PM


Touhou Replay Showcase is always disrupted by various things, every single stream. I may have uttered the occasional meme at some point or said something flippant, but what are you holding against me here for exactly...? Do you even know what's happened or what I've done? Is this just something you heard somewhere? If you ask me, the commentators themselves are disruptive and even incredibly hostile sometimes. There was one time where a few people got themsleves banned from TRS, but I wasn't and you'd have to be actively looking to be offended if you'd say I disrupted the stream that time. I've submitted quite a few photo game replays and with rough explanations of the scene. Noone's told me I'm doing anything wrong other than an exploding ZigZagWolf who has been by far the worst presence on TRS (I'm assuming he had a bad day that time) Absolutely tearing apart anyone who he deemed to have contributed to a small mess of the stream that day, including myself for unknown reasons. Compared to him or Sakurei, I'd say whatever remarks I may have made are very light and hardly disruptive. If I was really a problem then it doesn't seem like anyone really thinks so, for so far I've refrained from starting arguments in the stream chat, like about how more people should try to score for instance (more than 90% of runs submitted are survival runs)


No, you and others utterly misbehaved, the rest of the TRS crew didn't even want to join the call anymore; in CopperMarten's Discord chat people were complaining about how vile some of you were behaving, that I've called out people who did this is not something you should then complain over later on; I had even asked politely before but apparently you cannot realise that if you create a bad atmosphere; are utterly misbehaving you will be called out for that; yes, that can happen; it should. I've indeed gotten quite mad, but mainly because you weren't even able to acknowledge that the sheer toxicity of this particular TRS episode was caused by the way some of you acted, literally mocking people's runs; continuing this behaviour even when asked to stop.  That you then go on to portray it as a "small mess" shows that you didn't understand the way it came over to quite a lot of people, if you always behave in this manner you may get the impression that is "normal" and something you can just do each; every time, but that is not the case. That you went on, when I had calmly asked before to stop it, to do that honestly crossed the line; if you want to know, it was not me who got the people who misbehaved banned, first and foremostly that is to be thanked upon yourself; others who contributed to that misbehaviour; secondly, it was something discussed and some people in the particular Discord server I had mentioned were for it. I was not the person to compile the list nor to even add any name on it, Martin decided to do that himself; to be quite frank with you, the TRS staff stands behind this decission entirely; that does include me. We want to create an atmosphere in which people can enjoy chatting and also enjoy to actually commentate.

I do acknowledge that I've gotten a bit too mad and that my frustration drove my reaction, lately I'm indeed full of that frustration; I know that's not a justification for the way I've personally behaved and I do apologise for that. What I want to say though, is that I'd really have wanted things didn't go this way and that we could just've had a fun and friendly atmosphere during the stream; it did honestly become a bit too much for me, to at a constant pace see the people providing this event which is supposed to be a cheerful stream in which anyone, whatever their skill-level may be, can contribute and have their run to be seen, be complaining in Discord over the way this happened. I know that Maribel for one was so mad and frustrated at one point he left and couldn't even stay calm anymore; if you constantly hear that people just dislike the sheer toxicity in what they personally invest their time into, to make sure the place stays nice; people enjoy what happens there, that honestly shouldn't have been the case in the first place. Such chats over occurrences were quite normal on Discord; while it is not much of a justification for how angry and frustrated I personally got, I hope you can understand that sometimes things get to people over time; that they then can sometimes respond a little bit irrational, so with that said, I disagree with you but I do apologise for me reacting in a rather unprofessional manner, that was undeserved and I can understand that.

this was in response to "Friend", apparently I can't quote well.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on April 25, 2017, 10:54:33 PM
Alright, I will come to light about everything that has happened during that particular day of TRS.

First of all, I must emphasize that the incident wasn't just due to the events of that day. It was a build-up over several streams. The bannings and the subsequent post that followed was a group decision and also the final straw to these successive events. This decision was a last resort - I preferred to stay away from having to do so. When this was enough to make several stream commentators leave the stream, I knew this problem had to be dealt with promptly.

Copper's server did not have any part in deciding who should be banned and who shouldn't be. The only people who are involved in making these decisions are me, ZM, Maribel, Yats and Obama. No more, no less. Zig was not involved in any way, shape or form in coming up with the potential banlist. Pearl was also not involved in any way either. Bans are also decided as a group, not from any individual. I explicitly told everyone that shadow banning will NOT be tolerated.

The following people are banned: Sakurei and dxk.
The following people have been banned, but undone: Nameschonvergeben.
The following people have been considered for a ban, but were ultimately denied: Chum, Satis, Morth, Star King, Grayst, MegaPulse.

Sakurei was banned mainly because of his particular attitude towards certain individuals' runs (although after discussion it was found that it wasn't as toxic as I thought). I talked about reversing the ban but he said not to do so, and thus I left it as is. Dxk was banned due to coming into the stream only to shitpost, i.e. "sanny is a sloot xdddddddddd". NC was initially banned due to associating him with people who only came onto TRS to troll, but later decided that he didn't really do anything to that extent, and same with the rest of the people on that list more or less. To be honest, a lot of negative rationality was flying about on that particular day and I felt that both sides did things wrongly and I do sincerely apologize for that. I hope that something like this will not happen ever again.

I must also emphasize that elitism was never the intent of my stream. I am very open to players of all kinds of skill level regardless of the game you play or whether you score or survive. Don't let a bunch of ignorant people give you images about what my stream environment is like, especially considering most of the jabs are banter-like in nature, particularly towards Lollipop and Dass.

I hope this clears up all misconceptions about everything moderation-related to TRS. I wish to improve the way I do things and I feel that being fully transparent with my decisions is the way to go from here.

Thank you for your support.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Failure McFailFace on April 26, 2017, 12:27:37 AM
Woah that went from 0 to 100 very quick. Could you guys give some context on this? I'm not familiar about the existence of TRS.

Among other things, I've gotten too used to SA ReimuB's item collection perk to the point where I can't do ReimuA reliably.
and that sa is ridiculously difficult i guess that counts too
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on April 27, 2017, 02:34:29 AM
(Has no idea what actually happened on above with TRS either)

Anyway...

Progress!


(https://s10.postimg.org/xgde1pz8p/th003.jpg)

(No Border Breaks)

Yep, that's a run that was NBNBB3M, beating my previous best of NBNBB6M!!!

This was QUITE unreal to me- the farthest I have gotten playing perfectly  before (Read: Before the first death/border break)
 was up to Alice's Chalk-White Russian Dolls (I know, stupid place to die on).

In this run, I somehow managed to NMNBNBB up till freaking Youmu?s Asura Sword!!!!

I couldn't believe I actually got up to most of Stage 5 without making a single mistake! Hell, I still cant believe it tbh. I also perfected Stage 4 in the process- something I never actually did before O_o

Anyways, deaths were on:

The already mentioned Asura Sword (The nerves of merely getting to that point NMNBNBB got me and I died stupidly. Very avoidable death)
Components of Konpaku (I don't even know what happened here. This spellcard likes to kill me for literally no reason at all sometimes).
Resurrection Butterfly (Again, very stupid death. I actually managed to dodge most of it flawlessly).


...


That's all! Literally just those 3 spots. Everything else was done perfectly...
Oh, well, actually, I power canceled the Stage 6 spam, however, it was at the last second or so and I was dodging it well, I could have potentially captured it anyway- but if you want to be cynical, I could have died there, and the run would have been a 4 miss, which is still not bad at all.

Soo... everything seems to be done here. Its gotten to a point where I don't even think stage practice is needed anymore- I already practiced enough.

All I have to do is to keep trying, until all pieces fall into their place, and I finally get THE RUN.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on April 28, 2017, 05:15:24 AM
I picked up RSS again in an attempt to get an Overdrive 1cc. Game overed on Yato (extra stage boss).

I deathbomb too often and that causes me to lose lives. Deathbombs in Overdrive consume all of your bomb stock. At least enemies drop enough items to give lots of lives. The boss attacks are quite difficult though...
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on May 01, 2017, 08:37:03 AM
Now that I've cleared RSS Overdrive, I went back to Hard/Lunatic and decided to explore the stages and how to route them. Honestly, from the looks of it, RSS is probably one of the more doable fangames at a LNB or even LNN perspective.  Everything in the game can be routed to an extent,  particularly all stage portions, and there are only a couple of things that can be real LNN killers. From Vierne's no miss without hyper use, he stated that he only needed four bombs to get through the game, and two of them go to Momohime's first spell (understandable, it is the hardest spell in the game). This implies there's only up to three spots in the game that can really kill LNN's.

From just the boss attacks, these seem to be the only threatening ones. I listed other attacks that also tend to get me quite a bit.
From a LNB standpoint, that's only 9 potentially dangerous attacks in the game, probably even less if you decide to do Hard instead. The game itself also lets you have up to 9 lives if you don't hyper (passive item-collection and capturing boss attacks), so it's adequate for a no bomb run. I imagine with some practice, you can build consistency on all the difficult parts of the game and route the entire rest of it. Plus, hitboxes in this game tend to be generous for the most part, asides from a few bullets; the ones in the stage 4 midboss spellcard are particularly nasty for instance. I feel like the reason why everyone thinks the game's too easy is because they only spam hypers and don't bother actually learning the game. Of course, this is all easier said than done, building consistency is difficult.

Honestly, if I were to pick a fangame to LNB, it would be this one. MPP also looks like a fangame that is similarly doable for LNB, but there are quite a few more RNG spots in the game that are prone to taking lives. It's probably a similar difficulty. Makes me wonder why most other fangames don't even have known LNB's yet, let alone LNN. SSS seems to be the only fangame that has a LNN, which is pretty disappointing to be honest.

It also makes me wonder if I'm really making the right choice, because none of the ZUN games interest me LNB and beyond wise, as of now... Fangames seem more interesting right now because far less people have actually done it.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on May 03, 2017, 06:09:33 PM
Unpopular Opinion:

Youmu's first spellcard is not that bad. Its not even her hardest spellcard, that goes to Asura's sword. Components can also be a major danger at times. I am honestly more scared of those 2 than her first.


Also for some reason when playing, I feel so much safer and comfy while the border is on... Even though I am going for a LNNN and it literally does not matter whenever I get hit with the border or not, I will still have to ESC + R anyway. This also happened back when I was doing NBNBB...I wonder why that happens?
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on May 11, 2017, 03:20:05 AM
...And I know I said I pretty much did not need to practice anymore, but I went ahead and did some more practice today anyway because I did not felt like doing the whole "infinite downhill spyral of Stages 1-3" at the moment.

Found a couple of improvements:

*Found 2 sweetspots on Alice?s first spell;  I do slightly more DPS on both spots and I pretty much memorized all 3 (?) possible patterns with me starting on either spot. It ends it a bit faster and its slightly safer/consistent.

*Found a way to kill Concerto Grosso faster than before, I noted the exact time the boss armor runs out (53 secs), and changed route according to that. I kill it like 3-4 seconds faster as a result (Every second counts).

*Noticed that the "Safe area" on Asura Sword is actually a fair amount bigger than I though it was, now its way easier for me to dodge the bullets at the bottom- since now I use all the area that is safe as opposed to literally hugging the very bottom (You have more space than that). WAY safer and more consistent, almost never die to it now.

*I do Human God Sword in a mostly streaming way now, as opposed to just following Youmu very aggressively all the time. This is safer and it actually kills the spell almost as fast anyway.

*Found a more consistent Deadly Dance & Flowery Soul routes.

*I am getting noticeably more consistent at Resurrection Butterfly. Now I actually cap it about 6-7 times out of 10 by playing more aggressively and going towards the red waves (I still don't QUITE do the top strat, though, I don't think I will ever do that). Current Caprate is 40/99, I think thats good enough.


Bonus: Set SpoilerAL Frame Warp to 700 at Stage 6 for insant Spam practice.


So basically that's a more solid endgame... but I will have to actually reach Stage 4 to apply most of this though LMAO.



...I love how I have 170+ hours of gameplay time on PCB and I STILL cant LNNN it.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: RB on May 11, 2017, 11:41:48 AM
...I love how I have 170+ hours of gameplay time on PCB and I STILL cant LNNN it.
170 hours isnt average for any lnnn at all, even pcb, it should be much higher
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mikuru on May 11, 2017, 11:54:39 AM
I have 160 on MoF and I'm just getting towards starting to think that, maybe, getting a Lunatic 1cc isn't a completely unreasonable ambition..... :)

* * *

Oh, right, I should blog. At the moment I have a few separate things I'm going for, but since I've come pretty close to clearing PCB Phantasm, I feel a compulsion to keep at that until I get it. And it's really brutal, much worse than Extra. Ran's spells are no problem, but her nonspell is horrible (which is maddening, considering that Chen's was really easy). The second half of the stage is just an endless series of death traps. The first time I got a run as far as the eighth spellcard, I felt pretty confident that I would get the clear soon, but I haven't got that far again for a while now.

EDIT: Just had my first run with a no-miss stage portion. I'm getting the hang of this.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on May 11, 2017, 06:10:37 PM
170 hours isn't average for any lnnn at all, even pcb, it should be much higher

What?
No, actually I think that if I really focus and don't let nerves get me (and get lucky with the spam), I definitively have a chance of getting this about now. Its may take its time... But I doubt it will take THAT much more.

It wouldn't be the first time I did something earlier than "intended" anyhow. I did ISC all scenes no items back when my only Lunatic 1cc was PCB, which looking back, means I was quite unprepared for some of the hardest scenes- you probably want to have a good amount of Lunatic 1ccs for ISC No Items lol.

Also although it is indeed my most played game, I don't have only 170hs of touhou experience...plus someone mentioned PCB stats are not trustworthy because they only register when you clear the game/stage so theres that. For all I know, I might have played more than the time displayed.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ZeroPride on May 11, 2017, 08:00:18 PM
i got around  90 hours in UFO (with some very close lnb attempts) but i doubt i'd be able to get a LNN before 170. Maybe LNBNV......
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on May 11, 2017, 11:18:58 PM
i got around  90 hours in UFO (with some very close lnb attempts) but i doubt i'd be able to get a LNN before 170. Maybe LNBNV......

Lol, you are comparing the easiest game to LNN with one of the hardest ones. It most likely will take more time.

Then again it also depends on what has everyone been doing in THAT time- I know I did a lot of Extra/Phantasm grinding and mess around with useless stuff that contributed absolutely nothing to an LNNN, I only recently started trying to actively get it.

I will also have to test how PCB gets it time stats- as in, whenever it actually counts the time on incompleted runs (When you ESC + R) or not. Because if it does NOT, then I should def. Have way more time than 170hs.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: DarkPermafrost on May 11, 2017, 11:23:30 PM
I have 160 on MoF and I'm just getting towards starting to think that, maybe, getting a Lunatic 1cc isn't a completely unreasonable ambition..... :)

If you do intend on going for that, please just get a patch and practice VoWG until you're comfortable with it first. Trust me. It's crushing to lose multiple runs going in with multiple lives otherwise.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: HistoryoftheMoon on May 15, 2017, 12:35:53 AM
Here's my Touhou story, from around August to today:

I got interested in Touhou around August, when I was recommended the song Septette for the Dead Princess. Cue musical explosion. About a month later, I got Imperishable Night.

After much failure, I finally managed to 1CC Imperishable Night around late November, doing the Stage 4B and Stage 6A route. After this, I got Mountain of Faith, mistakenly (at the time) believing that it was the next easiest game. The same person who recommended Septette to me suggested Perfect Cherry Blossom instead, but I found this one just as hard.

The next couple of months, I skipped around, and eventually got SA and TD as well, spending a lot of time trying to master TD with no luck. A while later, I turned back to MoF, which I found much easier. After miraculously reaching the final stage on Normal with little practice, I decided to defeat the game. About a week later, I managed it.

This left me with a couple more months of skipping from game to game, and I eventually tried every game in the series from 6 to 15. I even managed to defeat LoLK on Easy in pointdevice, a feat I was particularly proud of. I tried my hand at TD again, but once again, no luck. I went into a small Touhou lull around March-April, but eventually decided to come back.

Once again, the Final Stage Phenomena hit me, this time on PCB. I mastered that game within a week, and got another 1CC under my belt. This was around 2 weeks ago. Someone online recommended I give LoLK Normal Pointdevice a whirl- which I proceeded to defeat within two days, on my first try. After that, just for fun, I cleared Stage 6B of IN on Normal with little to no practice, just for completion's sake.

With two spontaneous victories leaving me in shock, I was once again adrift in the sea of Touhou, wondering which game to attempt next. DDC finally appeared to me, two days ago, as the next easiest option, with Sakuya A being particularly useful. To my own surprise, with less than two days of practice, I defeated Shimyoumaru- albeit with no lives and a bomb left.

At this point, I've 1CC'd 5 out of the 9 standard windows Touhou shmups. (EoSD to LoLK, with PoFV being an exception as it's not a standard shmup.)

So... where should I head next now? I'm so used to it taking months to beat a game that the last two weeks bringing me 3 Normal 1CC's is still leaving me surprised. Here's what I think about the remaining games:

EoSD: Pretty simple with a focus on dodging and not gimmicks, being probably the most educational but still a difficult option
SA: I've practiced this game a surprising amount, and I still struggle to reach past Stage 4 on Normal. The main barrier in my way is picking a shot type- they're all so useful!
UFO: Hella hard, I'm pretty bad at managing multiple things at once, so a gimmick-intense game such as this, coupled with genuine difficulty, is probably the worst option for me right now
TD: I know this particularly well from getting it early on in my Touhou career, so this is the likeliest option, except...
HSiFS: Another option is for me to practice the demo to perfection, making clearing the whole game a lot easier once it comes out. I'm particularly interested in the fact that scoring = lives, so learning scoring techniques would be an asset to the practice. The release system is also really cool, being a nice blend of UFO and DDC's gimmicks.

Suggestions would be useful!
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Nova234 on May 15, 2017, 12:55:51 AM
TD is probably the easiest option, comparable to the difficulty of IN (it's less generous with resources and deathbombs, but the patterns are even easier). EoSD is a good next step - I'd recommend practicing the spam segments in stages 4 and 5, and Sakuya has a few tricks that can be rather nasty if you're not prepared, but the game is fairly manageable overall.

The general consensus is that SA and UFO are much harder, though for some reason I actually didn't have much trouble with SA Normal. For a first clear, I'd strongly recommend Reimu/Yukari, or maybe Marisa/Alice if you like having lots of bombs available for a last-second panic button. UFO is the harder of the two, and will require some memorization and routing, as well as a decent amount of practice against Shou and Byakuren.

You might also want to try some of the PC-98 games. They're rather archaic, but they're also a lot of fun. LLS is the easiest of the bunch, but all except PoDD are fairly reasonable in terms of difficulty balance (and PoDD isn't exactly a standard Touhou game anyway).
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: HistoryoftheMoon on May 15, 2017, 01:24:01 AM
TD is probably the easiest option, comparable to the difficulty of IN (it's less generous with resources and deathbombs, but the patterns are even easier). EoSD is a good next step - I'd recommend practicing the spam segments in stages 4 and 5, and Sakuya has a few tricks that can be rather nasty if you're not prepared, but the game is fairly manageable overall.

The general consensus is that SA and UFO are much harder, though for some reason I actually didn't have much trouble with SA Normal. For a first clear, I'd strongly recommend Reimu/Yukari, or maybe Marisa/Alice if you like having lots of bombs available for a last-second panic button. UFO is the harder of the two, and will require some memorization and routing, as well as a decent amount of practice against Shou and Byakuren.

You might also want to try some of the PC-98 games. They're rather archaic, but they're also a lot of fun. LLS is the easiest of the bunch, but all except PoDD are fairly reasonable in terms of difficulty balance (and PoDD isn't exactly a standard Touhou game anyway).

Thanks. If I were to try getting a PC-98 game, would I need some kind of emulator? I don't exactly have a PC-98 sitting around.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Chill Observer on May 15, 2017, 02:12:13 AM
Thanks. If I were to try getting a PC-98 game, would I need some kind of emulator? I don't exactly have a PC-98 sitting around.
You'll have to, yes. Every single PC-98 player uses an emulator. Ask Zig or Kirby about what they use.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Failure McFailFace on May 17, 2017, 07:41:35 PM
Spent 30 minutes messing with the LoLK stages patch for TH16 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOzx_UIOwcs).

The season system is so hilariously broken when LoLK-levels of bullets are on the screen.

Some notes from me:

tl;dr it's hax
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: RB on May 18, 2017, 12:33:51 AM
After downloading RSS and taking refuge in fangames for a while (getting an LNB on RSS and SSS in the meantime) I decided to come back to LoLK LNN attempts. I put in practice and here's what I got:

- 14/25 Lunatic September (ringo final)
- NMNB Doremy pacifist with all nons timed out after resetting like 5 times to opener; it gave me pretty good RNG here
- NMNB Stage 5 on my first try
- 3MNB Stage 6 (2 to 2nd non and 1 to the end of PDH) on my first try

Once I practice PDH more to get the hang of it again (because i'm starting to get used to fangame hitboxes cough cough) I think that's enough derusting before I do runs...

(my LoLK playtime is around 205 hours by the way, I think it'll probably hit 250-300 or something before I get it)
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: shockdude on May 18, 2017, 04:09:58 AM
I've been playing EoSD Lunatic on and off for the past two years now, and haven't gotten a 1CC yet.
The other day I stumbled across a Youtube video of a first-time EoSD Lunatic 1CC, and realized I was much closer to a 1CC than I expected.

Today I had a really good (and lucky) run, and died to Scarlet Gensokyo. Really the only thing I need to do is not accidentally die at silly places.
Gotta love the adrenaline and nerve-racking of Touhou.

I wish EoSD had a gameplay timer like the later games. But given that I've attempted Night Bird 143 times and Silent Selene 45 times, I'd wager I've put in roughly 60 hours, which is...actually much less than I expected. Huh.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on May 19, 2017, 12:47:40 AM
Well this LNNN stuff is getting depressing. I think I will take a short break from it and do some more relaxing goal(s) I had in mind earlier, such as IN Solo Alice Lunatic 1cc or the EoSD Extra NMNBNF I was attempting to do previous to this repetitive hell. I am SO freaking tired of Stage 1 I cant see it anymore.

It feels more repetitive than in the earlier years when I tolerated IWBTG and Hotline Miami 2 (Both quite HEAVY restart intensive games), but this is just stupid because of the retarded Stage 1 thats boring af and it just pissed me off.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Mero on May 19, 2017, 05:05:10 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/RlUyDXX.png)
HSiFS scoring is even sillier on LoLK's patterns, go figure

I wouldn't be surprised if Aya/Autumn got something like 3b, you can get around 350K PIV from stage 1 without spending a single piece of resources
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Emerald Mint on May 19, 2017, 06:43:54 AM
Here's a cheat table for adjusting PIV cap and starting PIV.
I wouldn't be surprised if the full game reaches the 10bn score limit.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: Zigzagwolf on May 19, 2017, 08:32:04 PM
Alright, so I think I've only once posted something here before? But yesterday I made an userpage on the Touhouwiki for myself and my achievements: Wiki userpage (https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/User:Zigzagwolf)

So that is the first thing I wanted to post about, I've wanted to make an userpage for a longer time but never got to it; now I decided to actually do so. It is quite nice I have most of my survival/score achievements more professionally documented nowadays, I also use another google spreadsheet page for my current achievement page: Google spreadsheet achievement page (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pXiVU5ad41A16178It2x-O2MQHOPjnTHKN8W5DDvhUA/edit#gid=870803679)

Now a few other things, since the DRC is set to start tomorrow; I've selected Phantasmagoria of Dim. Dream lunatic scoring as my category, I am hoping to reach 90 million during this competition. I don't have much experience prior to scoring in the lunatic category but have practiced a bit and gotten 75 million (the goal I set and wanted to reach before the DRC would start), so hopefully I'll be capable of pushing this up to 90 million during those two weeks.

I think I may end up doing more posts here, I kind of should.
Title: Re: Touhou Blogging Thread 2: The Journey Continues!
Post by: ILikeBulletZ on May 24, 2017, 11:55:05 PM
Today, I got a run to cap the spam section. I think its the first time I got a run to actually cap that section (At least since I started with the whole LNNN thing)...

Unfortunately it was already a complete crap 7 Miss run or something that was pretty much for practice at that point... So it was pretty freaking useless.