Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: Toushiro Scarlet on May 03, 2016, 05:37:08 AM
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Everyone who is arguing about whether Gensokyo is real, dream and other stuff, why don't you just stop for a while and have a look at my theory? Well, although I'm still in grade school, I'm quite interested about science, cosmology and all other complex stuff, and definitely, Touhou, as a big cluster of these, draws my interest quite well.
During my free time, pretty much all I does is just looking up some random scientific stuff and Touhou-related stuff, and I eventually started to research the relationsip between Gensokyo and our world, and some interesting result is coming up. (In order to protect your eyes from getting sour from reading all these letters, I will post my theories on different threads.) I guess it's time to stop blabbering, let's get started.
Why does ZUN wants to create Touhou?
You might laugh at this one, but it's a quite interesting topic. Most people will just say :"Well, aren't ZUN just doing it for fun?" That's one possible theory. But, however, I have another theory.
Touhou is a franchise created by ZUN, under the request of Yukari, to help spread faith and belief of Youkai and God.
This one actually have many points that back it up. The most prominent being the Great Hakurei Barrier and the Boundary of Dream and Reality, which is the two barrier that protects Gensokyo from human invasion. Those barriers are not physical, as shown by Marisa. So, in order to keep the barrier going, some kind of spiritual energy is required to power it (Spiritual energy does actually exist). Yukari certainly doesn't have enough energy for powering those barriers on a long-term basis (Which is probably why, Yukari is sleeping all the time). So what is the best way to gather those energy? Of course, from the Outside World! Yukari found ZUN when she was travelling to the outside world, and they quickly became good friends. Since ZUN is also quite interested in those ancient Japanese mythology (Which some of them are lost since Meiji Restoration, where the legends about Youkai are gradually forgotten and the Barrier was bulit to protect the Youkai and God who lost faith from disappearing), Yukari then requested ZUN to make a game that represents the events happening at Gensokyo (Like the Incidents, and how Reimu went to solve them), which ZUN then happily accepts, since making game is quite fun for him.
You might ask here:" Why don't Yukari just make it an Anime or Manga? Aren't them more popular?" And I can tell you here, the answer is No. Well, not entirely. Anime and Manga did goes quite viral for a while, but following the popularity burst, the popularity can also die down pretty fast (For long-running series like One Piece and Naruto, their popularity will also eventually decrease when the series is finished). But for games, it's almost impossible for people to forget about them once they gained fame. Look at Pokemon, Mario and Zelda. Those are ANCIENT games from the last century, and is still very popular nowadays. Also, at the end of 20 century, shooting games are still quite popular, and ZUN(or Yukari) managed to catch the trend. Which is why, Touhou gained a lot of popularity when it cames out. (Now, hopefully you gets a good reason why Yukari choose to make Touhou a game!)
This also perfectly explains why even after Touhou became very famous all over the world, ZUN still doesn't want to commercialise the games (Like, selling them to a big company for mountains of crates of beer). Because what ZUN really wants is not money, but rather, helping his best friend Yukari Yakumo and the land she loved, Gensokyo.
But what if , ZUN really just created it for fun?
Well, if that's the case, then it is quite easy to explain as well. According to my research (So far), anything that you draw and any story you write becomes real.
WARNING! HEAVY SCIENCE THEORY AHEAD!
This might sounds horrifying, but don't worry, they are just in a different dimensional world than us. Like, when you draw a stick man on a paper, the stick man is considered "Exist". But it won't just pop into your room, screaming for attention at a random day, since it exists in a different world than us, a world with the only definition of "Length" and "Width", which is considered as a 2D world (Our world is 4D, with "Length" Width" "Height" and "Time"). If you erased the stick man, the stick man ceased to exist, but it still exists in the Timeline of that particular dimension (Which, the Timeline is somehow based on our dimension). Now, let's get back onto track. Certainly, as ZUN continues to add more settings to the "characters", their dimension begins to expand (When you add more settings to the background of the characters, the definition of "Height" or even "Time" is added, since we create them based on our experience in this 4D world). And when he creates Yukari, the whole world will just go upside down, if she feels like it.
But if they are the character you created, you can just control them by changing their personality and such. Is that right? Well, it is, as long as you don't give them any dangerous power. Which, in this case, is Yukari and Keine.
As we all know, Yukari-sama's power is the control over boundaries. The boundary can be anything, such as the boundary of existence, life and death, race, gender, EVERYTHING.(Althought I might be terribly wrong, a dimension without boundary is considered to be 10D, according to Stephen Hawkings). This power, along with many setting ZUN added to her, allows her to break free from the Author's Chain (Funny name I gave to the concept I listed above), and possibly allowing her to break the others free from the Chain as well. Which means, she can also cross the boundary of parallel world to visit us. Really, I'm serious. you could very possibly find Yukari ripping open a gap on your wall, looking at you at ANY moment (If she is interested in you). And also, she can get into anyone's computer, or even the internet, to look at some funny posts about people saying that she is an old hag (Luckily, as far as I know, she don't care!). There is a great chance that she came MotK at least once, and it is even possible that she is looking at our threads now!
Whew, yeah! No more Science!
If that's the case, then we are still very lucky. Her laziness, smartness and love for Gensokyo means that she is too smart to do silly things that mess up our world.(also, she is possibly too lazy to do that as well!) But the good thing is, there is 99% chance that she also created a Gensokyo in our world, a REAL one!
Conclusion: Following both theories, we can pretty much say that GENSOKYO IS REAL! unless there is someone even smarter than me can disprove my theories, which is something I look forward to.
Oh yeah, finally finished, my finger are all sore from typing this! Hopefully I got your brains big like watermelons! Let me know if you got any questions and comments!
But hey, it's just a theory, A GAME THEORY! (Obvious reference!)
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I will write about the exact reason why Touhou was so popular in the next episode. Hope you guys will enjoy it!
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Interesting, hope it include the multiverse theory so that Yukari doesn't even need to tried to create a game like Touhou (she could have just picked it up and steal it spiritual lifeforce from the timeline that it exist)
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(In order to protect your eyes from getting sour from reading all these letters, I will post my theories on different threads.)
Let me just ask that you put all subsequent theories of yours in this thread, rather than creating multiple threads of Touhou theories. It will help maintain a lively discussion as the theories progress, and keep the board tidy. Thanks in advance!
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I remember trying to persuade someone online that death notes and kiras weren't real back in the day. It didn't work.
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Nicely done, this is already turning out to be a rather interesting read. Though I suggest proofreading your works before posting (of course, going by the assumption that English is your first language). I look forward to seeing what else you can come up with.
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Touhou is a franchise created by ZUN, under the request of Yukari, to help spread faith and belief of Youkai and God.
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I remember trying to persuade someone online that death notes and kiras weren't real back in the day. It didn't work.
It's not real in our dimension, though.
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Nicely done, this is already turning out to be a rather interesting read. Though I suggest proofreading your works before posting (of course, going by the assumption that English is your first language). I look forward to seeing what else you can come up with.
Well, thanks! (I'm Chinese :])
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Heeeeeeeeere's Episode 2! (Actually, this counts as Episode 1.5 since I simply just adding some stuff to the previous Episode)
(This theory is based on the Yukari-ZUN friendship theory in the first Episode)
You might always wonder why Touhou, being only a 2D shooting game, gained such tremendous popularity? And why does even after Touhou gained such popularity, ZUN still doesn't want to sell it (or commercialise it) for heaps of beer? Well, I got the answer for you!
This is all Yukari's plan, as I said in the first Episode.
From the types of Touhou games, to ZUN's extremely lenient opinion on the copyright stuff of Touhou (It's right on the sticky!), EVEN THE BAD DRAWING OF ZUN AND HIS MUSIC STYLE (although I actually doubt these two a bit) are all planned by Yukari,carried out by ZUN, as an effort to gain popularity (and ultimately, Faith and Belief!) to support the two Barriers that protects Gensokyo.
For the game type question, I have already said it in the first Episode, (Something like shooting game is quite popular in the late 90's and it still carried on on the early 21 century) and I'm too lazy to type it all over again :D . The very same thing can also apply to the fighting games ZUN created with Twilight Frontier, which, turns out to be a success. Now, which one are we on now? Oh yes, the copyright stuff. Needless to say, THIS is the most basic concept for many doujin circles to form and begin selling their work to people, which can be a HUGE contributor to the immense popularity of Touhou.
NOW IT'S THE TIME TO THROW OUT THE BIG GUN! OUR ALL-TIME FAVORITE ZUN ART !!!!! (and some weird stuff)
Maybe ZUN really just can't draw well and ZUN just love to use his old synthesizer to make music? Well I'd call this a coincidence. But, as you guys may know, there really aren't that much "coincidences" happening all the time. In fact, in the country of origin for me and Hong Meiling, China, we usually say that when a continuous, related "coincidence" happened more than three times, it's on purpose. (But for this one, it could very well be just a coincidence!) Now, is ZUN art a creation on purpose? Idk. But, in my opinion, it's very possible. You know, if you purposely draw something bad on DeviantArt, you might just receive a handful of tomatoes and stinky eggs and hate comments. Why, just why, does ZUN art so popular? There is two reason for this. The first one is an extremely simple and funny one: Because the game itself is so awesome so the art doesn't really matter? Probably not.
So, the REAL reason behind the ZUN art's popularity (Since everyone is making fun of it!) is how we see the in-game arts today. The artwork of the characters are something that almost every game maker think is important, and the character they draw usually are quite "art-like", and we just see these art style everyday when we play a game. But, what if an awesome game has goofy "character" design? Now that's something new and eye-catching. Because we see those stereotypical game arts everyday and we already grown tired of it, of course we want something new! And the ZUN art perfectly fills the job! (Mostly because the awesome game part! If the game itself is horrible, you will just get even more stinky eggs and tomatoes!) It also provides us something new to make fun with,which is something that almost everybody likes to do. (A perfect example of So bad, It's good!) It also gives the fandom a "base", so they can be imaginative and draw all those girls (and RINNOSUKE!) in their awesome style.
This is also quite similar to the "character" setting of Touhou. The characters in Touhou are only given a small amount of personality based on what they are really like in the border, which the fandom can easily add their own secondary personality in their fan works, like a certain "Charismatic" Vampire.
All right, for the music. The first time I hear the Touhou music, I immediately related its style to Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire. Even on the newer games, the music is still like the Pokemon Generation 3-type music. (But it's pretty nice anyway). Now, you guys probably understands what I'm gonna say next. Yes, like ZUN arts and character setting, the music is also just a base, providing heaps of creative space. You can rearrange the music to any style, piano to jazz, gothic to orchestra. In fact, it's even possible to change the mood of the entire piece in two different arrangements! Since the base sounds nice from the beginning, the arrangements can't fail unless the arranger is really bad. Compared to those stupid and annoying pop songs from today, Touhou music really makes itself stand out with those nice arrangements. Of course, at this point, it's obvious why so many people likes them. (Also, many piano arrangements of Touhou, such as One Night Hell Screen, greatly helped me out on my music assessment and performance!)
Aaaaaaaaand Yukari planned all of these.
These aspects of Touhou, plus ZUN's (possible) encouragement on the fan creation, have inspired many doujin circles to publish their fanbooks and album. Which, in turn, gave Touhou a tremendous boost on its popularity. Smart strategy, huh? (Which is one of the many reasons why I admire Yukari-sama so much!)
Conclusion: ZUN or Yukari (Or both) are quite smart, by using some smart strategy to attract popularity from the outside world and strengthen the Barrier. Anyway, I'm confused. Is ZUN actually a Youkai?
But hey, it's just a theory, A GAME THEORY!
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No offense but if you think ZUN's music sounds like Pokemon you should probably consider buying some new headphones or speakers urgently.
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No offense but if you think ZUN's music sounds like Pokemon you should probably consider buying some new headphones or speakers urgently.
Sorry for not stating that quite clearly. By that I actually means the instrument rather than the melody. Gosh I really need to lay off the drugs D:
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Sorry for not stating that quite clearly. By that I actually means the instrument rather than the melody. Gosh I really need to lay off the drugs D:
I think you happen to hear the PC-98/MIDI version of the Touhou songs. No other possibilities, other than 'something is wrong with your ears'. No offense, please.
Oh yes right, I'm stupid because I think all Pokemon soundtracks are 8-bit style.:V
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The thing about your theories, is that I don't think there -is- a way to disprove them. You can pick them up and decide whether or not you support it or not, and change your behavior accordingly, but there's little use in trying to make it a straight up 'debate'. Discussing stuff like this helps each person come along to refine their theory of Gensokyo and life based on what they pick up, and their particular tastes. Ultimately I believe that "you should do you, and no one else".
With that out of the way, I like what you've worked out for yourself. It shares some similarity to how I view things. Specifically in ascribing some amount of autonomy to Yukari Yakumo. And also what you said: anything that you draw and any story you write becomes real. Like, heck yes. (Of course, you have to ask 'what is real' and decide how you feel about -that- question, but the vague sense is fine). What's important is that Gensokyo has a certain 'reality' to it.
However, I don't ascribe to the theory that ZUN and Yukari conspired to bring over a Gensokyo-sized van of illegal youkai immigrants into the real world. Personally, I think that ideas want to exist, and people want to bring ideas into existence. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? This question I believe applies to creator and his creation, the dreamer and the dreamed.
Because some people like the sciency 'evidence', here's my illustrative rationale. Take a blank CD-ROM. We can all agree that there is a large, but finite possible configuration of 0s and 1s on that CD-ROM. So that means within this finite and exhaustible set of sequences, it includes things like a .wav - transcribed conversation of ZUN and Yukari Yakumo conspiring to create Gensokyo, the entire transcripts for every conversation ever HAD in Gensokyo, pictures (real and illustrated) of Tengukami flying through Gensokyo airspace dressed as Aya Shameimaru with danmaku in the background, so on and so forth. If you filled enough disks with random ones and zeros, you would theoretically come out with a disk that's nothing but straight up Gensokyo content.
But. What if instead of 'random' disks, you replaced those with people? And the one's an zeros with ideas. From our observable reality, ZUN created a *spark* in the minds of people, which started to grow Gensokyo proper. And suddenly, you have content coming from every direction. ZUN just designs the characters, sets the melody, puts a basic framework in place, (essentially making a GIANT ARROW pointing to a region of fantasy) and then the fandom breathes life into that framework, follows that arrow and fleshes it out.
Do you want to believe ZUN is conspiring with supernatural beings? Do you want to believe ZUN came up with the basic idea and it just memed the fuck out of control? Or do you want to believe that both ZUN and Gensokyo 'got lucky' in a sense, with a fortunate pairing leading to something good happening? That's up to you.
Personally, I don't worry much about which came first, the dreamer or the dreamer. Because my favorite dish is Oyakodon (literally 'parent and child bowl'), which is chicken cooked with egg. It's tastier if you mix it all together yourself and eat it. Hehe.
That's my two cents.
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Oh, and I also believe that we are all the Hakurei shrine maidens of our own personal Gensokyo (and come together here to make 'the maidens of the kaleidoscope' and share that world with each other). I was very fortunate for Yukari Yakumo to move in with me because i'm a broke NEET. (This actually happened)
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Wow, that's a pretty nice theory you got there, Nobu! I really like how you are using the chicken and egg paradox on the concept of Touhou. Did Yukari actually moved in to your house? Well that means she really is busy! Because she spent sometimes talking to me in my dream and meddling with stuff in my house as well!
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I guess it's time to start Episode 3, our dreamy adventure?
Dreams, every single sentient creature's spiritual plane. It is always shrouded by mysteries. Where does it connect? And what exactly can it do? Only Doremy knows! In this Episode, we are going to talk specifically about dreams and weird stuff that happens while you dream, which, can explain the reality of Gensokyo from a certain degree.
There is a thread on the forum about all of Touhou-related dream you guys had. You can have a look over there. But, compared to you guys, aside from sometimes Yukari talking to me about some confidencial information, I only had two full Touhou-related dreams that actually is REAL. In fact, it's not only real, It's Astral Projection.
If any of you actually have been through the story of Urban Legend in Limbo, you will probably get what I was saying. Yes, I was spirited away to Gensokyo.
You might ask, how do I know if I was spirited away or I was just dreaming? Well, when you are Astrially Projected, you will feel a weird tingling sensation both when your spirit leave your body and when it returns. When I have those two dreams, I experienced the tingling sensation both when the dream started and ended. And although it feels like a dream, it has a sensation of "Reality" in it. Anyway, it's quite hard to describe these in words. You won't actually know it until you experienced it.
I can't really quite remember what my first dream is about, but I remember the second one quite clearly, so I will focus on that.
While I was spirited away, I crossed the Barrier as a spirit. (You might feel a bit dizzy when you go through it). Then, I wandered around on a bamboo forest (Of course it's quite dark), and seconds later, I found my self in a Japanese bamboo house, with Maribel next to me. I can still remember the sensation at that time. I feels like, very tiny. like a shadow in the forest. I don't quite know how Maribel was there, maybe she was spirited away as well? Anyway, the sensation is quite real, even after I woke up. Then, weeks later, I stumbled on the Touhou Wikia entry of Urban Legend In Limbo, and surprisingly found that what I have been through matches exactly to the definition of "spirit away" in the Wikia.
Apart from this, I have seen many fragments in my dream about people in Gensokyo, like Reisen and Kaguya. The most surprising one being Doremy. According to a scientific theory, you can only see people and things that you have previously seen in a dream. But, I don't even know Doremy at that time, so how did she gets into my dream? Well, it can't be helped. She is the guardian of Dream World, so literally she can access anyone's dream at any time, including mine.
So after all of this, it still leads back to one of my theory I mentioned earlier: "Anything you draw and any story you write become real". Maybe it's not actually "Becoming real", but rather, they have been there already for a long time? Either way, You decide!
Gosh, I really needs to lay off the drugs. Maybe I have to change the title to "Evidences that Gensokyo is real?"
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Did Yukari actually moved in to your house? Well that means she really is busy! Because she spent sometimes talking to me in my dream and meddling with stuff in my house as well!
I met my boyfriend while he was cosplaying Yukari, and later joined the same Skype group as him and we hit it off over time. Fast forward a couple years in the future and we've been dating for a year and a half, and he now lives with me. The con where we 'first met', I was cosplaying Reimu and him as Yukari. I actually picked him up from the airport in cosplay.
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I met my boyfriend while he was cosplaying Yukari, and later joined the same Skype group as him and we hit it off over time. Fast forward a couple years in the future and we've been dating for a year and a half, and he now lives with me. The con where we 'first met', I was cosplaying Reimu and him as Yukari. I actually picked him up from the airport in cosplay.
Whaaaaaaaat? So that's not the actual Yukari-sama who lived in your house? :( But anyway it's nice to have a boyfriend that shares a common interest! I wish I have a girlfriend that likes Touhou as well!
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Whaaaaaaaat? So that's not the actual Yukari-sama who lived in your house? :(
Oh? One seems to have a good idea as to the 'real' Yukari... or do they? :toot:
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I keep seeing astral projection as a common route into Gensokyo - in fact, I hear it used more often than my own prefered Sumireko route of dreaming. I'm starting to think that it's the most common way of entering Gensokyo. I should probably look it up.
Nonetheless, I have dreams which are clearly dreams and dreams in which I know I'm interacting with actual Gensokyans. I don't know if I'm actually using astral projection though.
Nonetheless, I agree with most of your theories. The only thing I have any disagreement with is Yukari and ZUN directly working with each other. The way he says things does seem to me like he believes it's his own idea - even if some of the things suggest that we're correct in our entries into Gensokyo. I personally think that it's more likley that Yukari is manipulating him from behind the scenes - it's somthing she could do and do well.
Still, I internally debate the "everybody has their own Gensokyo" and the "canon Gensokyo" ideas - even if the "canon Gensokyo" could be heavily influenced by fanon. Still, the stickman on paper idea is my reasoning on believing that Gensokyo has a level of reality at minimum. I personally believe that Gensokyo is much more real than just that but I don't really have proof past that. I'm not even sure if Nitori choosing the loch ness monster in ULiL was coincidental or if meeting me (a Scottish person) was in any way influential.
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Nonetheless, I agree with most of your theories. The only thing I have any disagreement with is Yukari and ZUN directly working with each other. The way he says things does seem to me like he believes it's his own idea - even if some of the things suggest that we're correct in our entries into Gensokyo. I personally think that it's more likley that Yukari is manipulating him from behind the scenes - it's somthing she could do and do well.
Actually, even I doubt this one as well. Because, if Yukari can do everything by herself, why would she needs ZUN? BECAUSE SHE IS TOO LAZY! The most fitting theory at this time is, Yukari only requested ZUN to make Touhou, and periodically bringing news from inside the border so ZUN have new materials to make game with, and she leaves everything else to him. This way, she can both find a way to improve the Faith and Belief on Youkai, God and Barrier, while enjoying her sleep and pranks on people (Including me!)
So, this could lead to one more problems. ZUN takes time to make a new game (Or draw a new manga), plus he just became a father few years ago (Parenting is quite hard work). Which means, the storyline in the new game does not match the exact time it happens in Gensokyo. For example, LoLK came out in 2015, but the exact time the same event happened in Gensokyo is probably much more earlier than that, maybe in 2014 or even late 2013? But anyway, this won't be a large issue, right?
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Oh? One seems to have a good idea as to the 'real' Yukari... or do they? :toot:
What? I'm confused :wat:
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What? I'm confused :wat:
Can you really say with any shred of confidence that you know anything 'true' about Yukari Yakumo? What is real, what is fake, what is likely or unlikely as a theory in this situation? She could just as easily have manipulated things so that you would theorize a particular way. Or see her differently from how she actually is.
Real or fakeness aside, my boyfriend is associated with Yukari -somehow-. Whether that makes him a simple fan, a pawn, an alter ego, or a Maribel-equivalent of Yukari I can only fantasize about.
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Can you really say with any shred of confidence that you know anything 'true' about Yukari Yakumo? What is real, what is fake, what is likely or unlikely as a theory in this situation? She could just as easily have manipulated things so that you would theorize a particular way. Or see her differently from how she actually is.
Real or fakeness aside, my boyfriend is associated with Yukari -somehow-. Whether that makes him a simple fan, a pawn, an alter ego, or a Maribel-equivalent of Yukari I can only fantasize about.
Well, the actual thing that I can confirm about her is she really likes to "play" with people :3
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All right. Now here is a point. Ever since I join the great church of Touhou, weird "supernatural"stuff keeps happening in my house.
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Can you elaborate?
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Can you elaborate?
Right. One night, when I was about to leave the house with my mom for an appointment at 4am, I forgot the phone and went back into my house, and it was locked. At that time, no one except my dad was in there, and he was fast asleep at that time. (Actually, my mom interrogated him about locking the door and he said he didn't). I clearly remember that, none of us had locked the door when we went out of the house. So who did it?
The second thing is that, when I play Touhou, my computer constantly crashes and glitches if I did badly. In one occasion, I yelled "Stop messing around with my computer, Yukari!" and the glitching stopped (for a while).
The last thing, which just happened recently. My bags of potato chips have gone missing after leaving it in a plastic bag for about a month. I clearly remembered there are two bags of potato chips when I first leave it there, but there's only one when I discovered that bag. (I'm certain that my parents didn't eat it).
Oh yes, and the "spirited away" count as one, not mention many weird and strange dream fragments about what happened in Gensokyo.
I blame Yukari.
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And you don't think there's other, more mundane, less tenuous explanations for any of these things?
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And you don't think there's other, more mundane, less tenuous explanations for any of these things?
I list them out simply because there aren't any other possible solutions, and they are just simply too suspicious to ignore.
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there aren't any other possible solutions
I mean ... yeah it's neat to consider "what if a completely fictional character stole my potato chips" but saying there are no other possible explanations for your chips' disappearance than Yukari is maybe kinda stretching it?
If anyone, it was Yuyuko.
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Yeah i agree with Amaterasu, I doubt it was Yukari who did all of those things, i mean:
One night, when I was about to leave the house with my mom for an appointment at 4am, I forgot the phone and went back into my house, and it was locked. At that time, no one except my dad was in there, and he was fast asleep at that time. (Actually, my mom interrogated him about locking the door and he said he didn't). I clearly remember that, none of us had locked the door when we went out of the house. So who did it?
Your dad was fast asleep when you got back, right? Maybe he was really tired and locked the door on reflex when he came home?
The second thing is that, when I play Touhou, my computer constantly crashes and glitches if I did badly. In one occasion, I yelled "Stop messing around with my computer, Yukari!" and the glitching stopped (for a while).
When did it stop glitching? If you had just started the game, then what happened was probably just an coincidence. Of course, even if it didn't stop glitching when you had just started it, it still could have been an coincidence.
The last thing, which just happened recently. My bags of potato chips have gone missing after leaving it in a plastic bag for about a month. I clearly remembered there are two bags of potato chips when I first leave it there, but there's only one when I discovered that bag. (I'm certain that my parents didn't eat it).
If it was there for an month, then there was plenty of time for one of your parents to take it and then forget about it, or for you to have eaten it and then forget about it.
Or Yuyuko did it.
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Your dad was fast asleep when you got back, right? Maybe he was really tired and locked the door on reflex when he came home?
Actually, my dad was in the bed for the whole time since it was only 4am at that time. He only woke up when we discovered the door was locked and my mom called him out for it. That lock is fairly new and never went wrong before (and even after it!)
When did it stop glitching? If you had just started the game, then what happened was probably just an coincidence. Of course, even if it didn't stop glitching when you had just started it, it still could have been an coincidence.
It stopped glitching right after I told Yukari to stop messing with my computer. Actually, that major kind of glitch (If you played Undertale, it's like the "one day, they all disappeared without a trace" glitch in the Neutral Route right after Flowey crashes your game and overwrite your save file). never even happened before (and it never happened so far after I told Yukari to stop). All I got before was just minor lagging sort of stuff. and 90% of them are actually caused by forgetting to change my Chinese input into English one. (The rest 10%? idk :D) Like you said, it could be just a coincidence. But it's quite suspicious anyway. (And why, just why, does the game crash when I constantly dies? It never crashes whenever I earns a high enough score though. Probably Yukari doesn't want Reimu got hurt over and over again?)
If it was there for an month, then there was plenty of time for one of your parents to take it and then forget about it, or for you to have eaten it and then forget about it.
Or Yuyuko did it.
My chips was stored under my bed, in my room. It was school holiday during that month, and you know, I'm an otaku with no life, so I literally got to stay in my room the whole day. My parents won't just break into my room and take my chips because they likes peanuts better (and they have heaps of them). I didn't eat any snack at that time because I had poor appetite, and it became hard for me to even finish my dinner.
I actually blame Yuyuko for this one as well, but Yukari could also just gapped my chip and ate it, or showed it to Yuyuko.
Besides, as I mentioned before, Yukari and Yuyuko is the only two that can travel across the barrier and into our world.
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My chips was stored under my bed, in my room. It was school holiday during that month, and you know, I'm an otaku with no life, so I literally got to stay in my room the whole day. My parents won't just break into my room and take my chips because they likes peanuts better (and they have heaps of them). I didn't eat any snack at that time because I had poor appetite, and it became hard for me to even finish my dinner.
I actually blame Yuyuko for this one as well, but Yukari could also just gapped my chip and ate it, or showed it to Yuyuko.
Besides, as I mentioned before, Yukari and Yuyuko is the only two that can travel across the barrier and into our world.
Clearly the bag of chips turned into a youkai and escaped.
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All right. Now here is a point. Ever since I join the great church of Touhou, weird "supernatural"stuff keeps happening in my house.
The same kind of things happen to me but they've been happening for so long that I don't take a note of them - that coupled with the fact that I don't know when I started believing in this stuff (Which was likely before I even discovered Touhou) means that I have no proof that any of them are Yukari. A lot of them I've simply blamed on Ghosts.
The only 2 I can remember are the one time that it was proven not to be Yukari or a Ghost (My flatmate moved the fridge) and some point recently when my computer turned itself on.
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As Sherlock Holmes said, once you have eliminated all the impossibilities, whatever remains must be the truth. However, what Holmes didn't say is just how much process of elimination there has to be. And believe me, it's a lot, especially when you start considering the supernatural. Why assume Yukari other than bias? Lies, spirits, demons, coincidence, ESP, gods, faulty memory, aliens...so many things could have been involved.
Also, just gonna say it, a person being inspired to create a thing by the very thing they created seems like a nasty time loop to me. Yukari probably wouldn't want any part of that business, she's had enough time screw when she was mortal already.
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The same kind of things happen to me but they've been happening for so long that I don't take a note of them - that coupled with the fact that I don't know when I started believing in this stuff (Which was likely before I even discovered Touhou) means that I have no proof that any of them are Yukari. A lot of them I've simply blamed on Ghosts.
Yeah. My life used to be really peaceful (which is last year) before I actually tried to get in touch with the grand church of Touhou. Right after I made a vow saying that I will dedicate my life to protect Gensokyo, the weird stuff that never happened before just came out of nowhere. The lock, my computer, my chip, weird sound, my first Astral Projection, and even Yukari talked to me in my dream. I mean, there are a few ghosts in my house and I saw them when I first came in (which is around 2012), but how do you explain that those stuff NEVER happened before I became a faithful Touhouist?
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but how do you explain that those stuff NEVER happened before I became a faithful Touhouist?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
I don't know why that reminded me of the cognitive bias that I was thinking of, but here it is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
clearly the answer is magic
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Hmm.. Quite interesting
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Well, you're obviously a bright child. What's considered grade school again? 1st-5th? Right..? (I honestly can't remember lmao)
I've been thinking the same thing as you, really. The thing that knocks me down all the time is the message that ZUN always puts in the loading screen of each game. "This is a work of fiction, all objects and characters have entered Gensokyo."
But, could that really mean something else, too?
I don't know, it's fun to theorize. If Gensokyo is indeed real, I'd visit it any day. (risking your life is so cool lmao don't eat me rumia-san) :V :ohdear:
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Well, you're obviously a bright child. What's considered grade school again? 1st-5th? Right..? (I honestly can't remember lmao)
I've been thinking the same thing as you, really. The thing that knocks me down all the time is the message that ZUN always puts in the loading screen of each game. "This is a work of fiction, all objects and characters have entered Gensokyo."
But, could that really mean something else, too?
I don't know, it's fun to theorize. If Gensokyo is indeed real, I'd visit it any day. (risking your life is so cool lmao don't eat me rumia-san) :V :ohdear:
To be honest, I just think that he put this in here to try to remind people not to get too upset about this.
I don't know how things are in Japan, but in the United States, there's an awful lot of people who can be surprisingly thin-skinned.
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Well, you're obviously a bright child. What's considered grade school again? 1st-5th? Right..? (I honestly can't remember lmao)
I've been thinking the same thing as you, really. The thing that knocks me down all the time is the message that ZUN always puts in the loading screen of each game. "This is a work of fiction, all objects and characters have entered Gensokyo."
But, could that really mean something else, too?
I don't know, it's fun to theorize. If Gensokyo is indeed real, I'd visit it any day. (risking your life is so cool lmao don't eat me rumia-san) :V :ohdear:
~*~To be honest, even I don't want people to think (especially those upper-class people) about that Gensokyo is real. Seriously, just look around the world. What horrible stuff have we done? Polluting the air, chopping down the forest, whipping up wars that costs millions of lives and plunge countries into poverty, endless greed on money and resources... and Global Warming, all at the hands of humans. What if the US Goverment discovers that Gensokyo is actually real? What will they do? My bet is, 95% they will use a well-covered reason like "life-improving research for Youkai and Human" or "Protecting" to invade Gensokyo and set up their military base, build their big companies, snatching our resources and destroy our last sanctuary of hopes and dreams. If ZUN really wants to help out his buddy Yukari, or if he really loves Gensokyo, he would think the same way as me and won't let people recognize the reality of Gensokyo.~*~
That's why I'm now constantly searching for evidence that Gensokyo doesn't exist, to disprove my own theory I made earlier. Sadly, all my attempt had failed. (Either they are completely off the track or logically unreasonable)
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That's why I'm now constantly searching for evidence that Gensokyo doesn't exist, to disprove my own theory I made earlier. Sadly, all my attempt had failed. (Either they are completely off the track or logically unreasonable)
You're in luck! (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance) The burden of proof is on proving Gensokyo exists; not on proving it doesn't.
Take for example the existence of God. One common troll on this subject is "God is real. Prove me wrong." This is exactly backwards. You don't start with the presumption that something wild and fantastical is real until proven otherwise; you need to prove the wild and fantastical thing is real. Until then, it is philosophically safer to assume the thing does not exist until proven otherwise. So rest assured Gensokyo is safe from marauding capitalism.
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You're in luck! (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance) The burden of proof is on proving Gensokyo exists; not on proving it doesn't.
Take for example the existence of God. One common troll on this subject is "God is real. Prove me wrong." This is exactly backwards. You don't start with the presumption that something wild and fantastical is real until proven otherwise; you need to prove the wild and fantastical thing is real. Until then, it is philosophically safer to assume the thing does not exist until proven otherwise. So rest assured Gensokyo is safe from marauding capitalism.
I would argue that the "proof of burden" argument only gives credit to agnostics - not to atheists. The correct assumption of the argument is that there is a possibility of either being true - as that is all the argument proves. In this case, neither side has any real proof (albeit both sides have arguments which suggest their side is correct) and therefor it will come down to personal opinion. To me, "proof of burden" proves nothing and I treat it as such.
As far as I see it, proof of burden only stops me from spreading my beliefs. It's only my opinion right now and should be treated as such - it is not a truth that all people should know.
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To be honest, even I don't want people to think (especially those upper-class people) about that Gensokyo is real. Seriously, just look around the world. What horrible stuff have we done? Polluting the air, chopping down the forest, whipping up wars that costs millions of lives and plunge countries into poverty, endless greed on money and resources... and Global Warming, all at the hands of humans. What if the US Goverment discovers that Gensokyo is actually real? What will they do? My bet is, 95% they will use a well-covered reason like "life-improving research for Youkai and Human" or "Protecting" to invade Gensokyo and set up their military base, build their big companies, snatching our resources and destroy our last sanctuary of hopes and dreams. If ZUN really wants to help out his buddy Yukari, or if he really loves Gensokyo, he would think the same way as me and won't let people recognize the reality of Gensokyo.~*~
I'm convinced that Yukari herself is enough to stop a military invasion.
Nuke? *gap it back*
Soldiers can't get past the Great Hakurei Barrier, we humans have little to no knowledge in magic and seals, so the entrance would be tiny and easy to close if that was required.
Airstrike? Lol, they wouldn't know where to strike, and they'd never find it because of the previously stated Great Hakurei Barrier, not only does it protect Gensokyo, it hides it, too!
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I would argue that the "proof of burden" argument only gives credit to agnostics - not to atheists. The correct assumption of the argument is that there is a possibility of either being true - as that is all the argument proves. In this case, neither side has any real proof (albeit both sides have arguments which suggest their side is correct) and therefor it will come down to personal opinion. To me, "proof of burden" proves nothing and I treat it as such.
As far as I see it, proof of burden only stops me from spreading my beliefs. It's only my opinion right now and should be treated as such - it is not a truth that all people should know.
That's exactly why I began my research on Quantum Mechanics just a few days ago.
I'm convinced that Yukari herself is enough to stop a military invasion.
Nuke? *gap it back*
Soldiers can't get past the Great Hakurei Barrier, we humans have little to no knowledge in magic and seals, so the entrance would be tiny and easy to close if that was required.
Airstrike? Lol, they wouldn't know where to strike, and they'd never find it because of the previously stated Great Hakurei Barrier, not only does it protect Gensokyo, it hides it, too!
Still, that means lots of trouble to Yukari-sama,as well! But it would be awesome to see that happen! (You know how lazy she is, she's on the same level as Sans!)
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I would argue that the "proof of burden" argument only gives credit to agnostics - not to atheists. The correct assumption of the argument is that there is a possibility of either being true - as that is all the argument proves. In this case, neither side has any real proof (albeit both sides have arguments which suggest their side is correct) and therefor it will come down to personal opinion. To me, "proof of burden" proves nothing and I treat it as such.
This is a false equivalence. The entire Flying Spaghetti Monster meme was created years ago to underline this.
If you step forward with a claim like "the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real", the burden of proof is not on everyone else to prove the contention wrong; the burden of proof is on the person making the claim to prove that it's right. Since people can't seem to get their heads around this idea when you talk about something as socially engrained as God, the FSM was made up to show how ridiculous it is to seriously argue that the burden of proof lies with those who deny the existence of a deity. This is like Philosophy 101-level stuff.
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This is a false equivalence. The entire Flying Spaghetti Monster meme was created years ago to underline this.
If you step forward with a claim like "the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real", the burden of proof is not on everyone else to prove the contention wrong; the burden of proof is on the person making the claim to prove that it's right. Since people can't seem to get their heads around this idea when you talk about something as socially engrained as God, the FSM was made up to show how ridiculous it is to seriously argue that the burden of proof lies with those who deny the existence of a deity. This is like Philosophy 101-level stuff.
You still can't prove that it doesn't exist though. It's only through common sense (which can't be taken as proof) that a normal person would deny the existence of the monster. The FSM believer would only be burdened when trying to spread the belief as trying to change somebody's opinion is harder. However, without proof, the believer cannot have his belief disproven. There is still a chance that this sarcastic response could be true and that there is a flying spaghetti monster - even if it does sound absurd. A reasonable response would be "due to the nature of spaghetti as I know it, in my opinion the chance of a flying spaghetti monster existing is low." not "there is no proof of a flying spaghetti monster therefor I'm sure it does not exist." The low chance is still a thing that exists and therefor the other person's argument still stands - even if it does sound silly. Silly things are sometimes true - it once again comes down to personal opinion.
I would argue that the burden of proof lies on the challenger not the believer. If a person tells another that is "X is real" then they should prove it. If a person tells another "X isn't real" then they should prove it. Otherwise the argument cannot be solved.
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obligatory mention that the position of atheist is not to claim that some/any god doesn't exist, which ammy probably just assumed people were already aware of
listers is mixing up the nature of belief versus argumentation and equating "you don't have to believe x because y" with "i claim x isn't true because y and so you shouldn't believe x" so this is getting silly fast
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I would argue that the burden of proof lies on the challenger not the believer. If a person tells another that is "X is real" then they should prove it. If a person tells another "X isn't real" then they should prove it. Otherwise the argument cannot be solved.
I mean, you can believe whatever you like, I guess. But if X says "A is real", yes, they need to show it, but the converse is not that the challenger needs to prove it doesn't. Rather, in the absense of proof A is real, we do not know one way or the other if it is or isn't.
That said, in cases like Gensokyo, I think it would be deliberately obtuse to contend Gensokyo may or may not exist until someone proves one or the other. Feels weird even having to write that out.
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Still. There's so many things that, in this universe, that can't be explained by using any means. Humans are quite curious species and will always trying to explain them, but even if we did successfully unravels the mystery, we will never know what will happen after it, nor any negative impact that we will bring to them So, sometimes, it's best to keep them as a secret. (Although I hate to say it, but remember, it's actually rationalism that forced Youkai into Gensokyo in the first place.)
But still, it's quite fun to theorize! I don't think Yukari will mind (She haven't shown up lately, both in dreams and in my house. I wonder what is she doing all this time?) so expect more updates!
(Status Update: Somehow, according to Chinese philosophy, I found out that my past life had some connection with Gensokyo, although what the connection is remains undiscovered.)
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So far this is one of the greatest thread I ever read, the three theories so far are all fun and interesting, but I have some doubts, granted that I'm reading this very late in the night (at least in mine country) so I may be missing something or making mistakes; lets start with the questions: The first one is about the first theory (by the way as of now I believe more on the Zun is Yukari friend theory) if Yukari and Gensokyo had been created the way you said didn't it mean that some other author can create something like Yukari and Gensokyo in the same way ?
and if it is true with all the things umans fantasy gave birth to isn't rather unlikely that someone haven't yet created something with the same dimensional travel skills of Yukari but more notable ? And if Zun was able to create Yukari, what prevents us to try creating a Yukari-like creature with Yukari like powers and the will to inequivocably show itself to us to prove or disprove this theory ?
The third theory and the strange event are also pretty dobious: The whole thing may actually be either you conditioning yourself you are having paranormals experiencies, you being a troll, you slowly getting crazy or something of this type, but that just my common sense speaking here, lets that the rest of me believes/is still dubious about it mostly for the fun of it, maybe tomorrow I will analize it in a more scentific way, since then if you aren't a troll or something and happen to see her again say hello to Yukari for me please
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Thanks for the feedback! I know that I might sound like I'm on drugs or something because literally I'm just a twelvie. But anyway, those things are just theories on my point of view, so inevitably there will be some mistakes being made. Now I have looked more into the old folklores and philosophy work left by the ancient Chinese and Japanese, I have a better understanding of supernatural things. (Again, sorry for the bad logic and horrible grammar!)
Personally, like you, I also more leaned to the Yukari and ZUN friendship theory. Not only it is more reasonable, but also less ambiguous in some way. I mean, the first time I touched the Touhou franchise I just noticed something different than other work. It sort of, just feel different, like, in a sense, it was too "real". If the other artists were to create a character like Yukari, then there IS a possibility that the character can well, come to life in some way and mess with our dimension. But, consider it, if this could happen, then the terrorists will have a far easier time doing their job. There is still too many doubts about this theory and I will have to look deeper to find the answer (Which could take 100 years!)
Well, there are also many researches going on about astral projection, and I sort of just experienced it at that time. However, there is one thing for sure in an astral projection that differs it from a normal dream, is that you can remember the dream very vividly, even after a long time, compared to a normal dream, which is almost instantly forgotted when waking up.
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how would you be able to tell that you can remember astral projection dreams if you just forget all of the other ones
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If the other artists were to create a character like Yukari, then there IS a possibility that the character can well, come to life in some way and mess with our dimension. But, consider it, if this could happen, then the terrorists will have a far easier time doing their job.
I have no clue how you got to that conclusion. How would terrorists benefit from a character like Yukari? (Besides the obvious using gaps to create chaos or something.)
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I have no clue how you got to that conclusion. How would terrorists benefit from a character like Yukari? (Besides the obvious using gaps to create chaos or something.)
That's the point. The terrorist can create a character with Yukari's power who have an insane personality to help them spreading terror and chaos
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I don't really agree with the Yukari and Zun Are Friends theory, because ZUN called Yukari "Nasty" in a recent interview.
Source:
http://pastebin.com/Kiatum4a
ZUN:[Talking About Danmaku patterns] The very common situation is when I want to create a specific attack I want to create a character for that specific attack.
So if there's a fast attack I make a character that looks fast.
And if it's a nasty-looking danmaku I make a character that's really nasty looking."
Fan: What's a nasty character?
ZUN: "...Yukarin?" (Audience roars with laughter)
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obligatory mention that it was more accurately "unpleasant" or more generally something that evokes a negative emotional reaction
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My point still stands.
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I don't really agree with the Yukari and Zun Are Friends theory, because ZUN called Yukari "Nasty" in a recent interview.
Although I also have my doubts about the friends theory, you can say bad things about friends in a loving way. It's practically the way you can tell that they're truly a friend.
I mean, I'm fairly sure I describe her negativley despite the fact she's my 2nd favourite character and I pretty much worship her as a god. I mean, she is a very youkai like youkai - we still love her for it though.
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how would you be able to tell that you can remember astral projection dreams if you just forget all of the other ones
In an astral projection dream, you can clearly remember it because your soul literally experienced the dream. Sometimes it feels really real, even realer than the so-called "reality". But for the normal dream, your soul stays in your body since those dreams are probably just some silly pranks your brain is pulling. That's why you normally quickly forget about it since it is stored in the physical brain.
Although I also have my doubts about the friends theory, you can say bad things about friends in a loving way. It's practically the way you can tell that they're truly a friend.
Exactly. This is what best friends do, right?
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i don't think you got the joke but ok
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The fact that this thread is still being bumped is certainly Yukari's work.
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Unless it's Parsee wondering when people are going to start talking about her. Whoops, I just jinxed it.
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In an astral projection dream, you can clearly remember it because your soul literally experienced the dream. Sometimes it feels really real, even realer than the so-called "reality". But for the normal dream, your soul stays in your body since those dreams are probably just some silly pranks your brain is pulling. That's why you normally quickly forget about it since it is stored in the physical brain.
Exactly. This is what best friends do, right?
To me ZUN calling Yukari nasty may sound like him knowing that she was seeing him playfully teasing her.
Also the thing about astral projection feeling realer than real, can you explain it better (even touhght it sound like something you have to "see" yourself to understand) ?
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Also the thing about astral projection feeling realer than real, can you explain it better (even touhght it sound like something you have to "see" yourself to understand) ?
Like, it's a feeling that is extremely hard to express in words. It's just.. feels REALLY real. Like, the sensation, the feeling. You can actually feel your soul tingle as you left your body. For example, I once had a failed astral projection attempt, where my soul just banging inside my body trying to get out. That doesn't feel like a dream at all, like you are actually conscious when you are doing it, except it doesn't hurt, just something like a forcefield stopping your soul from getting out. Also, you and can clearly recollect the whole event in the astral projection, like when somebody speaks to you, even after several months, while mostly everything else is getting "muffled up" in your memory
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Like, it's a feeling that is extremely hard to express in words. It's just.. feels REALLY real. Like, the sensation, the feeling. You can actually feel your soul tingle as you left your body. For example, I once had a failed astral projection attempt, where my soul just banging inside my body trying to get out. That doesn't feel like a dream at all, like you are actually conscious when you are doing it, except it doesn't hurt, just something like a forcefield stopping your soul from getting out. Also, you and can clearly recollect the whole event in the astral projection, like when somebody speaks to you, even after several months, while mostly everything else is getting "muffled up" in your memory
So is like one of those Qualia things, you feel it but you can't explain it well in words.
Being rational that sound like some kind of dissociative disorder (hope I used the right terminology here), still be it a dissociative disorder or an astral projection something that feels realer than real is still very interesting in my opinion
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Being rational that sound like some kind of dissociative disorder (hope I used the right terminology here), still be it a dissociative disorder or an astral projection something that feels realer than real is still very interesting in my opinion
Yeah. Never underestimate the universe
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Considering that your experiences with astral projection seem to be somewhat similar to dreams (if I'm interpreting that correctly) would you be willing to post your experiences in the dream thread at some point? I mean, it seems that you essentially go to sleep but instead of going through a normal dream state you do something else which allows the spirit to leave the body. In my opinion that would be enough to qualify as a dream as it still involves sleep - not to mention I may be doing this without really knowing and record it in the dream thread. I mean, I all of my dreams are really vivid but since meeting Alice I've trained myself to have vivid dreams - my filter is usually continuity or the thought "would these people actually do this?" I mean, even memory is unreliable to me as I can clearly remember when me and Alice fell in love but that was a memorable moment - as was one of the first nightmares I had as that was also memorable. Of course, if this is a private matter then I won't insist. I just personally have an interest in what people from the outside world do in Gensokyo.
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Sure, why not?
Anyway, I've got another interesting theory about the "game"itself as a whole. I'll be posting it here when I got some free time (Washing the dishes, doing homeworks and chores literally took up my entire day!)
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Well, although I'm still in grade school-
You write on a junior college level. Well done. :)
If you want to get even better, though, you'll want to cite your sources. If you're making a claim, you really want to cite evidence supporting it. Furthermore, theories are meant to be crash-tested, which others seem to be doing in this thread; you'll want to pay attention to evidence that counters your claims as well.
I've another question. You said that:
Touhou is a franchise created by ZUN, under the request of Yukari, to help spread faith and belief of Youkai and God.
I believe you mean the God of Abrahamic faith, correct? If so, please elaborate on how this relates to Touhou.
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I believe you mean the God of Abrahamic faith, correct? If so, please elaborate on how this relates to Touhou.
Well, you know, the friendship between ZUN and Yukari is just purely my theory, I'm sorry, but I really don't know anything about the God of Abrahamic faith.
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OOOH! *raises hand*
Can I play the part of the Devils' Advocate ???
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please dont
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OOOH! *raises hand*
Can I play the part of the Devils' Advocate ???
Oh yes, nothing improves a discussion on the internet like someone playing devil's advocate!
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:V Ahh, where to begin?
:ohdear: Well here goes nothing.
Let me refute your theory by saying, that there is a contradiction in the fact that when you first state that it was requested by Yukari to ZUN in order to create the Touhou franchise; along with the fact that when you say that when ZUN created Touhou he created Yukari.That is a paradox. If they were to collaborate before-hand of the genesis of the Touhou kingdom (or queendom), your theory in of itself disproves the fact that Yukari came to ZUN in order to create the franchise in the first place.
(Here's where it gets tricky for me.)
Because you also say that Yukari can break free from this so-called, "Author's Chain", she can do whatever she pleases? Right? Even bend the border/boundary of Time itself?
Well, I can say that I disagree with that notion.
Contrary to popular belief she does not have power over everything. Why? From my interpretation, she can only open tears and cracks between dimensions, but only to observe, nothing more. And since boundaries are a sort of middle ground or something in between two things or concepts, she only has the ability to manipulate the border of those two concepts and/or ideas but not the subject matter in of itself. Whether to expand, strengthen, shrink, or open the border/boundary is up to her, she cannot move or manipulate the border/boundary of a particular concept, such as existence, unless the very idea or concept itself changes, or certain circumstances forces those changes. The best way I can put it into perspective is sort of like Maxwell's Demon in a way. (long read but for those who don't know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_demon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_demon)) To sum it up, if Yukari were the demon, in order for her to make only a temperature difference between the two containers she'd have to make a difference between both of those containers and not just a one way door. And in a sense she'd have to make changes to both concepts in order to make a difference. In other words she'd have to influence one or the other in order for those changes to happen in any way. For example, she can only manipulate the Great Hakurei Barrier leading to Gensokyo but not actually control Gensokyo itself. Therefore, Yukari is not so omnipotent.
With that in mind, we can safely say that unfortunately, Yukari cannot control the flow of time itself.
This is slightly off topic and really hypothetical; But, there is another theory that time is non-linear, but that has yet to be proven. Because, from our perspective Time appears to be linear, but that's only because our brains perceive it that way. There's almost no way to tell if your perception and interpretation of time is the same as mine, or if there even is such a thing as time. So what I'm trying to say, is that Time can be subjective on the fact that you state that it's part of our dimension. Rather, in a physical sense, time is more of a measurement; Just not part of the main three spatial dimensions that's prevalent in our reality. With this illusion of time we can't necessarily say that there's a timeline, the only reason we put time in a respective line is to order the events of history as we know it, because of the human limitations and how we perceive it moving forward. And since we cannot perceive time or even know if there is time in another dimension it kind of goes against the theory of "everything you create becomes real".
Repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth. The only way Gensokyo became real in the minds of people was from it's swift popularity uprising. It has a certain surreal aspect of it that does seem believable, so that you can persuade someone to believe that it is. Not everything that people create become reality to a point, as there are such a thing as broken dreams and discarded ideas. Whatever happens to them? Do they eventually fade with time or does it even exist at all? If you plant the seed of an idea and nourish it, then that's when the dream comes alive, but when that seed of an idea faces neglect and discouragement then it will eventually die out and fade.
So the conclusion? Yukari can only travel to different dimensions, and whether or not she planned it all is indefinite. But she does certainly have influence if that's the case. And if ZUN created the very idea of Gensokyo he probably didn't get contacted by Yukari at all. Seeing as how in one of the openings of the games (I forget which one) it pretty much says that all the characters have entered Gensokyo from that point on. Canonically speaking Gensokyo was technically created in the year 1885, seeing as how PCB came out in 2003 Yukari came in only after the barrier was created, probably to keep it running.
So there you have it. :3
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I'm sorry, but I really don't know anything about the God of Abrahamic faith.
Only theologians seem to, given the multiple interpretations of YHWH/Iehova/Allah, but I've noticed some common trends. Foremost is that the God of Abraham wants people to worship him to the exclusion of all others. Second is that wants a one-world community dedicated to his ideals. Lastly, he wants his worshipers to be doers and builders; to expand, reshape the world, and improve on what's there. Basically, he's the god of monotheism, monoculture, and monolithic urbanization -- all of which would make him a very unlikely associate for Yukari.
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The point of the Abrahamic God, at least in modern interpretations, is that He is A) Omnipotent: can do literally anything at any time, with no limits. If anything happens in the world, it's because God let it happen. B) Omniscient: knows everything at once, including what will happen in the future. God exists outside of time. C) Omnibenevolent: everything God does is for the greater good of the universe. We can't necessarily see the big picture, but God can. This is the best of all possible worlds.
From this perspective, God doesn't have a personality or motives or anything, and is very much not "a bearded man in the sky". He's closer to the personification of the Will of the Universe or something abstract like that. Any traits He has are merely the logical consequences of being Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnibenevolent. A metaphysical singularity, if you will.
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The Abrahamic God is simply the god of the Abrahamic faiths, i.e., Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The name is derived from how all these faiths trace themselves back to Abraham. That's it.
What qualities and powers this god has not only changes between these faiths, but between denominations within these faiths. Sometimes they disagree a little, sometimes a lot. So really the only thing you could say with certainty about this god is that Jews, Christians and Muslims believe he exists. Isn't more complicated than that.
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Let me refute your theory by saying, that there is a contradiction in the fact that when you first state that it was requested by Yukari to ZUN in order to create the Touhou franchise; along with the fact that when you say that when ZUN created Touhou he created Yukari.That is a paradox. If they were to collaborate before-hand of the genesis of the Touhou kingdom (or queendom), your theory in of itself disproves the fact that Yukari came to ZUN in order to create the franchise in the first place.
Thanks for your opinion! Your theory is quite amazing as well!
However, I'm really sorry that I didn't convert my message quite clear in the first theory. By that I actually mean, the fact that Yukari requests ZUN to create Touhou franchise and the fact that by creating Touhou, ZUN creates Yukari is two different theory, that does not interfere with each other. (This is so confusing!) Again, sorry for not stating that clearly!
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Now, after a long time, why don't we start our fourth episode?
In this episode, we are going to talk about some history of Gensokyo, and why does ZUN (or Yukari) choose to release Touhou in the late 90s, in such a particular time. For these, I have got a theory.
First, we all know that Gensokyo is established in 1885, right? Gensokyo is created because of the Meiji Restoration in Japan, that leads to a loss of faith for Youkai. Faith for Youkai is like blood for human, without faith, Youkai would disappear into nothingness.
Faith comes from all sort of form, which are almost all based on recognition of one entity. For example, worshipping, respect, or even friendship is a kind of faith, and that's possibly why some of the Youkai can survive in the modern world, outside the barrier (probably by transforming into a normal human and live like a human).
Oops, I've gone too far into another topic. Okay, now let's go back to Gensokyo. During these months, I have spent quite a lot of time researching folklores and myths, and I have found a quite surprising fact, which is that there are quite a lot of Japanese Youkai had their origin in Chinese folklore. This means that, some Japanese Youkai actually comes from China.
Now, this leads to the point I'm going to talk about. I still don't quite know the mechanism of the Great Hakurei Barrier (In this theory, let's assume it's faith-based) , but one thing for sure, it enables Youkai to survive without faith. But even though they can survive, they still need to gather "fear" (which is actually a form of faith) from the human village. This proves that, even with the barrier, Youkai still somehow requires faith, possibly to maintain their abilities.
After Meiji Restoration, it's not very likely to gather enough faith from Japan, due to rapid Westernization (The faith gathered from the Human Village is not enough to power the barrier, due to low population). I also said before, that some Japanese Youkai actually comes from China. This gave us a very clear answer: To gather faith from China (At that time, China have only one-fifth population compared to today, or even less).
China is a multi-religious country since it's creation dated back to 5000 years ago (I'm Chinese!). Not only do they believe in Taoism and Buddhism, they also worship some other entities, like stouts and foxes. This tradition is carried on even after the Xinhai Revolution that overthrew the imperialistic Qing dynasty, but it does not last long, after WWII and the Chinese Civil War.
After the Chinese Civil War, the Chinese Communist Party took control of China, and Chairman Mao (We call him Emperor Mao in Chinese forums) initiates the "Big Jump" movement in the late 50s (I'm not sure if it's the correct English name, I translated it straight from Chinese), which leads to one of the point we are going to talk about, the Cultural Revolution.
One of the core value for the Cultural Revolution is to "break the old tradition", which actually means to kill off the religious traditions, demolish the temples and shrines, and destroy the statues of gods. Many religious people are captured and brainwashed into believing atheism, or if they refuse, they are killed.
This delivers a huge blow to Gensokyo, due to a hefty amount of faith had their origin in China. Because the barrier is faith-based, such loss of faith would inevitably cause a diminish of power for the barrier.
And the next movement, brought by the Chinese Communist Party, is the "Open Up" movement started in 1978. The aim for this movement is to promote technological development and scientific education, especially for the rural population (Where most religious tradition are kept intact). When combined with the atheistic nature of the Communist Party, this movement is the last straw for the faith in Gensokyo.
Due to the scientific and atheistic "brainwashing" by the Communist Party, more and more people begins to ditch their religious belief. This makes the belief for the existance of supernatural phenomenon weaker and weaker, and thus the power of the Great Hakurei Barrier.
Even though she have to sleep at least 12 hours every day to keep up the power of the Barrier, Yukari was quite worried to see the power of the Barrier fading away. Each and every year, due to the diminish of faith, the Barrier loses part of its power. If this keeps going on, the Barrier will completely break down after a few decade, and when that happens, all of Gensokyo would be gone.
In order to prevent this, Yukari thought about an idea, and that's how Touhou was born. Yukari found a promising individual programmer, whose name is Junya Oota. She then begins to interact with him (Either through friendship, or manipulating his fate in an unknown way) to make her dream come true.
In the 90s, the first 5 Touhou games comes out, all under the name of three letters, ZUN. Those games describe a story of a hidden eastern "wonderland" called Gensokyo, and many incidents that happens in it. These games creates a whole new generation in the history of Doujin games, and a huge amount of fanbase was established after 2000, when the Windows games comes out.
The name "Touhou" means "Eastern" in Japanese, and that's exactly what Gensokyo is. A pure eastern wonderland, well hidden from the invasion of greedy capitalism, where Human and Youkai lives in harmony, where the legends come to life.
Fortunately, the tremendous amount of faith from the fanbase restored the power to the barrier. I don't really know if that means Yukari doesn't have to sleep for 12 hours to keep up the barrier, but there are one thing for sure, the dream will carry on, the legend will keep going, and the wonderland will flourish, for centuries and millennia.
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This delivers a huge blow to Gensokyo, due to a hefty amount of faith had their origin in China. Because the barrier is faith-based, such loss of faith would inevitably cause a diminish of power for the barrier.
You're making your own "Great Leap Forward" in logic here with this one.
Even if we assume that all Japanese youkai are descended from Chinese youkai (and a lot of them are, but not all of them), it doesn't necessarily follow that the closing and modernization of China directly affected youkai in Gensokyo.
Like, if people immigrated from Italy to the US, settled there and lived there for generations, if there were political upheaval in Italy, it would have no effect whatsoever on Italians living in the US.
And the whole Mobius Strip of cause and effect that you've created by contending that a) Yukari spoke to ZUN and asked him to create Touhou Project, and b) Yukari is created by ZUN and born from Touhou Project is like ... yeah I don't even see how that works.
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That's something I really didn't know quite much about. After all, it's important to understand how the Barrier really works, but what I said before was one possibility, right?