Maidens of the Kaleidoscope

~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: commandercool on September 15, 2015, 02:15:26 PM

Title: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 15, 2015, 02:15:26 PM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/MONS_2259.jpg)

Puzzle & Dragons is an ios/android puzzle RPG.  It plays like a cross between Bejeweled and Pok?mon.  It's completely free to play, but has premium features through purchasable "magic stones," the game's premium currency (which can also be obtained frequently as rewards in-game), which allow for increased inventory, pulls from a rare egg machine, and more.  If you're patient enough the game gives you enough stones through special events and rewards that you shouldn't need to buy any.  (It's recommended you don't because most things can be obtained/beaten without spending money and some amount of patience and skill.)

You can control monsters from lowly slimes to even lowlier dragons to gods that are also dragons like Ra Dragon (above).  They all have different stats and skills, allowing you to customize your team for any number of purposes.

Real talk though, the real reason to get into this game is because everyone else here is playing it and has been playing non-stop for the past 2 years :V , and probably won't stop for a long time thanks to the constant updates to the game and its mechanics, balance changes that never directly nerf anything and are mostly focused on increasing the viability of older monsters, and of course the endless addition of new monsters and collabs that are dished out on a regular basis.

If you're interested, there's a really useful database of monsters and game info here:

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/

A tip for new players: At the end of the tutorial the game will give you one free pull on the rare egg machine.  It's best to "scum" this pull and start over (by uninstalling and reinstalling) until you get something that's really rare (a god).  Great starters include any of the Chinese gods, Ares, Bastet, Isis, Verdandi, Lu Bu, Bastet, Odin, Kali, Shiva, Bastet, Sonia, and many others.  Feel free to ask!

If you need more help or just want to discuss the game, we also have a P&D channel on the MotK IRC network in here. Just type your name and go.
For those using IRC clients other than webchat, the channel is #puzzleandlibrarians on irc.ppirc.net.


List of friends + Main Leaders:
Edible: 328,945,274 (Ronia*, Bastet*)
hyorinryu: 357.646.299 (Sakuya*, Perseus*)
Suikama: 348.941.282 (Isis*, Nut*)
triangles: 322.456.235 (LMeta*, Santa Sakuya)
Chaore: 344,844,286 (Verdandi, Shiva*)
Yukarin: 394.177.213 (Awoken Haku*, LKali*)
Jq1790: 396,049,294 (Athena, Awoken Karin*)
Pesco: 328 276 294 (Rodin, Ronia)
Dibble: 314,673,283 (Isis, GOdin)
Matsuri: 358,689,277 (Awoken Parvati*, Awoken Meimei)
Fast Fanatic: 359,184,275 (TAMADRAPurin*, Sakuya*)
Sacchi Hikaru: 385,394,297 (Horus*, Vishnu)
rdj: 338,277,280 (AA Lucifer*, Awoken Minerva)
Chirei: 326,404,383 (Leilan*, Alraune*)
commandercool: 312,728,337 (Gabriel*, Awoken Ra*)
Aoshi: 398,822,333 (LMeta*, I&I)
Conqueror: 331,616,320 (DQXQ, I&I)
MoogsParfait: 313,455,268 (Athena, LMeta*)
Dorakyura: 347,957,300 (Nephthys*)
Bio: 336,681,244 (Sakuya, Athena)
En: 351,629,319 (Lu Bu, Haku)
moekou: 329,066,242 (Osiris*, Pandora)
Espadas: 301,335,377 (Ronia, B/G Karin)
Calamity: 331,737,355 (Ronia, Awoken Shiva)
Mea: 380,147,382 (Sakuya, chibi Rose)

(Asterisk next to leaders means "hypermax" - +297, max skill. Glowing leaders have all five latent awakening slots full.)

Topic Archive
Thread I (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14669.0.html)
Thread II (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15058.0.html)
Thread III (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15370.0.html)
Thread IV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15728.0.html)
Thread V (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16090.0.html)
Thread VI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16209.0.html)
Thread VII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16326.0.html)
Thread VIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16604.0.html)
Thread IX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16767.0.html)
Thread X (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17002.0.html)
Thread XI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17175.0.html)
Thread XII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17337.0.html)
Thread XIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17483.0.html)
Thread XIV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17582.0.html)
Thread XV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17678.0.html)
Thread XVI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17748.0.html)
Thread XVII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17904.0.html)
Thread XVIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=18079.0)
Thread XIX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18188.0.html)
Thread XX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18335.0.html)
Thread XXI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18505.0.html)
Thread XXII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18624.0.html)
Thread XXIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18773.0.html)


(Would somebody who can quote locked posts mind copying the previous thread text in for me? I can link every thread by hand but that sounds like a waste of time.)
[matsuri]done[/matsuri]
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 15, 2015, 02:39:55 PM
[GERMAN CHANTING INTENSIFIES]


inb4 all the cards suck

hopefully they try making the gold eggs better subs because every time they make leaders they end up weak and disappointing except for a few cases like Kite and Cloud (DBZ doesn't count because they got like a million ulti buffs) and meanwhile there are still a lot of need for many types of sub like machines and specific type/att combinations and stuff
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 15, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
Challenge 7 is bullshit. Tried it once, died to Ra, not gonna try again. It's not even that anything in it is hard, it's just that everything is annoying and there's too much RNG. Would rather have +eggs with that stamina, not worth it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 15, 2015, 03:08:36 PM
[GERMAN CHANTING INTENSIFIES]


inb4 all the cards suck

hopefully they try making the gold eggs better subs because every time they make leaders they end up weak and disappointing except for a few cases like Kite and Cloud (DBZ doesn't count because they got like a million ulti buffs) and meanwhile there are still a lot of need for many types of sub like machines and specific type/att combinations and stuff

Hey, on the bright side, if they end up sucking we might actually have a chance at getting the collab here :P
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on September 15, 2015, 03:30:37 PM
Challenge 7 is bullshit. Tried it once, died to Ra, not gonna try again. It's not even that anything in it is hard, it's just that everything is annoying and there's too much RNG. Would rather have +eggs with that stamina, not worth it.

Ra is pretty hard, you have 5 turns to do 50 attacks. Not much space for errors. You really need a fast orb changer and hope that skyfall will not fuck you up and kill your orbs. (or you just do 451k damage with a dark main colour :3)

[GERMAN CHANTING INTENSIFIES]
Lalilaliloooh, lalilooooh, ..... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQlFy0im9rs)
Oh, hey Wiesn begins this weekend
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 15, 2015, 03:39:50 PM
Ra is pretty hard, you have 5 turns to do 50 attacks. Not much space for errors. You really need a fast orb changer and hope that skyfall will not fuck you up and kill your orbs. (or you just do 451k damage with a dark main colour :3)

Oh I know it. I've killed him a number of times in a number of dungeons. But given that the sub-elements on my team are scattered and Beyzul doesn't even have one, it's just an RNG contest to see if his increased red skyfalls thing allows me to get my other colors. Couple with the RNG contested of "do you get a bunch of skyfalls on Sopdet?" and the general unpleasantness of Medjed, I think I'm good on this one.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 15, 2015, 05:25:09 PM
hopefully they try making the gold eggs better subs because every time they make leaders they end up weak and disappointing except for a few cases like Kite and Cloud (DBZ doesn't count because they got like a million ulti buffs) and meanwhile there are still a lot of need for many types of sub like machines and specific type/att combinations and stuff

ulti buffs are usually standard to make any collab usually great

even then gold leaders are usually solid and also double as useful subs

more than certain pantheons can say really


i hope they suck though i don't have stones on jp
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 15, 2015, 07:40:59 PM
Managed to beat Challenge 7 because Vishnu is like super Balanced. Attacker;

So long as I didn't get super screwed by skyfalls and getting a second green combo, Sopdet was not a problem.

Isis is main water so lol

Ra ain't hard cause out of my team's 12 elements 10 are wood and I have vishnu's active to keep my flow of green going so lol

Medjed was the biggest asshole, it would all come down to "Does he choose to give me leeza/meimei as my new leader?" fortunately he chose Liu Bei so I just chipped him down a little bit and then did big damages, had to blow GZL though cause I really wasn't going to deal with a red sub-element.

Final was Osiris, not exactly hard but his heart-giving attack was a guaranteed hitkill on me, so my only real chance of survival was to murder him immediately, so I popped meimei into double Vishnu active and did 2 TPAs with what I was given and the skyfall gods gave me another 2 so I was good :V

Shynpy get, doubt I can make it through challenge 8 though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 15, 2015, 08:41:33 PM
Challenge eight reinforced my assertion that Awoken Isis is kind of unneccesary on an Awoken Ra team. Obviously it's not fully representative due to being a no-recovery dungeon with kind of squishy enemies, but despite Devil Dragon's white bind locking down my Kalis for much of the dungeon I still didn't really find myself wanting a bind recovery. Everyone elses' damage was plenty until they got free in plenty of time to kill Satan.

Granted, I didn't really need Sun Quan for anything either, but his delay was at least nice to have in case of emergency.. Still not convinced bind clear on a team that's largely bind-immune is great (although I recognize that that's far from her only use).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Aoshi-shi on September 15, 2015, 09:11:41 PM
Well that was easy.
Did Mythical too because why not

(http://i.imgur.com/LqNCu3d.png)(http://i.imgur.com/BWm0ZMR.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 15, 2015, 09:23:31 PM
How wonderful, they both dropped too.

Did you have to deal with Ceremony of Rebirth at all, or were you smarter than myself about that? 

Ehe...heh.  *hangs head*  Still gotta make sure to deliver the beatdown later on since no way am I leaving them unbeaten when they really AREN'T all that difficult for me at this point if I don't accidentally off one of em without KOing the other one.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Aoshi-shi on September 15, 2015, 09:29:00 PM
Did you have to deal with Ceremony of Rebirth at all, or were you smarter than myself about that? 

I fucked up on Isis and the chaser floor during my Mythical run because somehow I ran out of heart orbs. I knew I couldn't take a hit from both of them so I tried stalling for either Echi or Susanoo by beating up Thoth repeatedly. Thankfully I didn't need either.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 15, 2015, 10:19:04 PM
It's so weird seeing only 18000~ HP when I'm nearing 25,000 because of Big Dog.

Still, I wish I had an LMeta over LZL sometimes. Much better for short term survival and bind clearing, even though the damage dealt is a lot lower. But I'm having no trouble dealing damage when Purin is involved.

Will you be converting to Awoken Susano when he debuts? The red coloring means for me that I don't need to field Amaterasu, which is nice, and the lowish cd haste is pretty sweet...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 15, 2015, 10:30:28 PM
Just murdered Thoth & Sopdet mythical because, again, Vishnu is Balanced Attacker.

Failed once because I got orbtrolled and green starved despite Vishnu's active, and I barely had enough HP to survive the preemptive at the beginning of the dungeon (as in, I survived with like 300 HP rofl).

But then I bursted pretty much everything down and didn't get heart-starved so big numbers happened.

This team is retardedly easy to play and stupidly good as well, the only thing missing is to replace Leeza with Kaede.

(Also, I got a Best Friend hypermaxxed Vishnu, yay?)

Will be spending the next few days running Earth Insect Dragon so I can try to max skill leeza and Vishnu, after which it's +egg farming time.

(Honestly I think I'll be dumping mine on Vishnu instead of Athena since he seems to be a whole lot better than her in every way shape and form right now)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 16, 2015, 01:43:55 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/DHLg5rd.png)

Hypermaxed Yamato Takeru. OK, let's move on to the next card.

(http://i.imgur.com/YPLZyiV.png)

Here's my team to farm Kanetsugu Descended! for 10x Plus Egg Rate. On Mythical, you are guaranteed 5 pluses minimum, 7 maximum (all floors). Very lucrative.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 16, 2015, 02:28:12 AM
After my failure earlier I spent like thirty turns wearing the duo down, beat their faces in, and got my stone and 10 MP.  Not a HARD stage if one is careful and patient, at least if they have decent RCV to take advantage of Sopdet throwing hearts at you constantly.

Wonder what descend I should tackle next...?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 16, 2015, 09:26:25 AM
Paging Thaws:

Next skills up rotation will be Trifruits skill Norns!!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 16, 2015, 01:21:54 PM
"zzz oh good morning I have 5 stones may as well roll once more on the batcha"

(http://i.imgur.com/SRb8epA.jpg)

It finally delivers.  Woop woop!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 16, 2015, 01:23:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/dFWaa4w.png)

wow. just... wow.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on September 16, 2015, 02:14:09 PM
Paging Thaws:

Next skills up rotation will be Trifruits skill Norns!!

FINALLY.

(http://i.imgur.com/dFWaa4w.png)

wow. just... wow.

...wow
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Aoshi-shi on September 16, 2015, 02:44:16 PM
It's so weird seeing only 18000~ HP when I'm nearing 25,000 because of Big Dog.

Still, I wish I had an LMeta over LZL sometimes. Much better for short term survival and bind clearing, even though the damage dealt is a lot lower. But I'm having no trouble dealing damage when Purin is involved.

Will you be converting to Awoken Susano when he debuts? The red coloring means for me that I don't need to field Amaterasu, which is nice, and the lowish cd haste is pretty sweet...

I think I'm going to keep him in his Attacker form for my eventual GZL team (when I get around to finishing it).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 16, 2015, 02:59:21 PM
Just took a look at Yamato Challenge for the first time, and unless I missed something I thiiiink Gabriel handles it.

All the perserverences are a mess, but if anyone can deal with that kind of thing it's an archangel. With a lot of patience and care and maybe some luck I should be good. Or maybe I just overlooked something that shuts me down I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 16, 2015, 03:11:27 PM
i beat c8 but died to c7 osiris


still hate wood types btw
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on September 16, 2015, 03:29:33 PM
i beat c8 but died to c7 osiris


still hate wood types btw

Oh something the sister can't beat :P
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on September 16, 2015, 05:23:35 PM
This is totally random but would anyone be interested in buying this Genbu figure from me?
(http://i.imgur.com/XiuE3Fa.jpg)
(I am A+++ photographer)
I really only wanted Leilan for she is MJP's puzzlemon waifu but despite being separate boxes I had to buy them as a set :fail:  And maybe there's someone out there in the reverse situation I dunno.  $20 shipped in the US and uh, that + whatever shipping would be overseas.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 16, 2015, 06:05:48 PM
A month ago I probably would have jumped on that in a second, but apparently every inch of my display space is full, because I bought a Reimu figurine that's been floating from surface to surface for weeks without finding a permanent home.

If nobody around here is interested I know a few people who might be that I can check with.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 17, 2015, 03:39:52 AM
I took the plunge today.

(http://i.imgur.com/DfKmbgY.jpg)

I'll thank myself later when I'm rolling in plus eggs from 10x descends. For now though, this is a punch in the throat and I could cry just throwing all of those valuable things to the wind. But I'd never do it if I kept delaying. Now I HAVE to commit, or else it's all wasted.

Rest in fucking Piis. T_T
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 17, 2015, 04:43:04 AM
My heart hurts for you seeing that. Godspeed, Matsuri!

Meanwhile I beat up Gravis and got my head handed to me several different ways by the criminals of Gotham.  At least I got Chiyome leveled up some earlier as well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on September 17, 2015, 07:35:28 AM
I took the plunge today.

(http://i.imgur.com/DfKmbgY.jpg)

I'll thank myself later when I'm rolling in plus eggs from 10x descends. For now though, this is a punch in the throat and I could cry just throwing all of those valuable things to the wind. But I'd never do it if I kept delaying. Now I HAVE to commit, or else it's all wasted.

Rest in fucking Piis. T_T

Holy, that is commitment.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 17, 2015, 10:39:36 AM
Ult ROdin, DIza, and Persephone are out now.

Of COURSE they finally do it right when I've used up all my evo mats. One of these days I'm just going to farm like fifty rainbow keepers and dub mythlits because I'm always out of those.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 17, 2015, 11:06:03 AM
Incredibly important note for NA players,

Go like the NA Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/PuzzleAndDragonsOfficial?fref=photo) if you haven't already. If the page hits 200,000 likes in about 38 hours of this post, everyone in NA will get a community-voted Py. Even if you dislike Facebook, just do it on a throwaway account.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on September 17, 2015, 11:31:48 AM
Of COURSE they finally do it right when I've used up all my evo mats. One of these days I'm just going to farm like fifty rainbow keepers and dub mythlits because I'm always out of those.
I'm glad that I did one rainbow keeper run instead of using all the stamina to not getting any Dark Faries.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 17, 2015, 11:52:45 AM
None of those is something I'm especially after, the new ults, but I'm still excited because it means they've begun, the Greek2.0 ults!  Gimme my Hermes!(and one cannot forget Artemis! *_*)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 17, 2015, 12:36:12 PM
I took the plunge today.

(http://i.imgur.com/DfKmbgY.jpg)

I'll thank myself later when I'm rolling in plus eggs from 10x descends. For now though, this is a punch in the throat and I could cry just throwing all of those valuable things to the wind. But I'd never do it if I kept delaying. Now I HAVE to commit, or else it's all wasted.

but then it meant that you could do this:

(http://i.imgur.com/1ZrF1ON.png)

speed farm mech dragon rush legend for minimals effort!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 17, 2015, 02:06:32 PM
What kinds of teams are people running black Izanami on right now? I have two of them near-skillmax, but every time I try to build a team with both of them I give up part way through because they don't seem like a fantastic fit for anything. Pandora maybe?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 17, 2015, 02:34:54 PM
It's better for hyper aggressive non-orb change reliant teams that want some tankiness

Like Anubis
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on September 17, 2015, 02:42:25 PM
What kinds of teams are people running black Izanami on right now? I have two of them near-skillmax, but every time I try to build a team with both of them I give up part way through because they don't seem like a fantastic fit for anything. Pandora maybe?

Best Batman sub  :derp:

All D/R should stick together :3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 17, 2015, 02:55:57 PM
I still think she might be okay on a Kali team. WKali/Wkali/BIzanami/BIzanami/Sun Quan/WKaki sounds interesting, and of course I have all the stuff. Might try at some point.

But yeah, Anubis-type teams makes sense. That's a narrow niche though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on September 17, 2015, 03:43:05 PM
She sees use in Luci to help with tanking. Two of them = farmable Baggii.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 17, 2015, 03:58:40 PM
Goooooood dammit fuck me. I have three black Izanamis. Two of them are skillmax or near-skillmax, the third has no skillups and is on hold to be a material for Awoken Kagu when I finally get around to making him tomorrow.

I just realized I have the materials to ultimate evolve one of the three, so I decided to do so as a means of throwing away excess jewels.

I triple-checked which one I was evolving to nake sure it was one of the keepers, but I STILL ended up ultimate evolving the throwaway one. How did I even do that?!

Oh well. Just jewels. I'm more mad about the Rainbow Keeper and mask, and the sprites to reverse the evolution, than I am about the jewels I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Yukarin on September 17, 2015, 04:05:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AgoViUS.jpg)

edit that front page

gimme dat A.Haku
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on September 17, 2015, 04:30:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AgoViUS.jpg)

edit that front page

gimme dat A.Haku

Wow nice, You should friend me, I put up my AHaku from time to time, she has max skill but isn't hypered.

also
(http://i.imgur.com/BBx7mOu.png)
She is real  :derp:
Those stats though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 17, 2015, 04:55:21 PM
(http://imgur.com/uBoeq5I.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/s0fkb3v.jpg)

oh

right

luck does not exist for me

:persona: :persona: :persona: :persona: :persona: :persona: :persona: :persona:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 17, 2015, 07:33:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/DBj2OVal.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/DBj2OVa.jpg)

Z&H skillups would have been nice to have here.

Sadly 3x normals has just felt like a slog lately so my Minerva team isn't getting the plusses it needs for that :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 17, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Wow nice, You should friend me, I put up my AHaku from time to time, she has max skill but isn't hypered.

also
(http://i.imgur.com/BBx7mOu.png)
She is real  :derp:
Those stats though.

Jesus christ that rcv
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mеа on September 17, 2015, 08:52:21 PM
How good would putting a b/d Karin on a beach Pandora team be? Or should I try to get a Haku? I figured using a Karin would open up that fifth slot otherwise recommended for the rem only Hanzo.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 17, 2015, 09:11:05 PM
... is it bad that, since I needed a Rainbow Keeper for newsephone I just ran Kouryuu for it instead of waiting for Tuesday?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Aoshi-shi on September 17, 2015, 09:28:33 PM
Another mythical clear. (Did Goemon yesterday too!)
(http://i.imgur.com/1zLrcBs.png)

I am feeling a little more confident in my Kirin skills.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on September 17, 2015, 10:46:37 PM
How good would putting a b/d Karin on a beach Pandora team be? Or should I try to get a Haku? I figured using a Karin would open up that fifth slot otherwise recommended for the rem only Hanzo.

I don't recommend a 7-star on a rowteam unless you can swap a colour of the 3 it spawns.
Karin is fine though, since Pandora can convert her green orbs. Haku would be better, since she is Main-Dark, she has 2 instead of 1 dark row and is also a devil in her DD form. Usefull when combine with lubu or whatever.
But you might want to have Hanzo in the team or you have the problem, ending up with not enough dark orbs after 7-star.

Edit: Oh oh, I didn't see you were talking about Beach Pandora.
Well, you can go tpa dark and activate the LS by using blue. You should be 100% fine. If you get the really unlucky 3 dark 3 water 24 green board, you can still use Pandora
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mеа on September 17, 2015, 11:52:15 PM
Oh I feel like an astronomical idiot, I was thinking, or rather wasn't, I thought I would get one of them from the gift of holy beasts thing /headdesk
Well still useful to know, a lot of the regular Pandora guides suggested Haku + Hanzo, but I don't see any suggestions for beach Pandora so
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 18, 2015, 12:21:18 AM
Oh I feel like an astronomical idiot, I was thinking, or rather wasn't, I thought I would get one of them from the gift of holy beasts thing /headdesk
Well still useful to know, a lot of the regular Pandora guides suggested Haku + Hanzo, but I don't see any suggestions for beach Pandora so

Don't feel too bad, I remember thinking the same thing the first time that dungeon popped up. Not sure why, but I did. Wishful thinking maybe?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 18, 2015, 12:22:50 AM
Oh I feel like an astronomical idiot, I was thinking, or rather wasn't, I thought I would get one of them from the gift of holy beasts thing /headdesk
Well still useful to know, a lot of the regular Pandora guides suggested Haku + Hanzo, but I don't see any suggestions for beach Pandora so
Hahahaha, don't we all WISH it worked that way~!

Nah, just like an easily accessible random(or not, if you exit/enter til the one you want spawns) jewel and free stone for the stage clear.  Gonna have to feed the greedy golden dragon to get a hold of the ladies themselves, sadly.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 18, 2015, 12:51:45 AM
I do believe I already have enough of the chinese though, 3 meimeis and 1 Karin is enough for me anyway.

Meanwhile my Vishnu team is just as retarded as I thought it was >_>

Beat Challenge 8 with 1 stone, got 1 woodpy, used it to max skill Vishnu cause fuck waiting for earth dragon again, now all that's left is Leeza's final skillup.

Time for powerfarming OoH I guess.

Also, new Persephone means I can go full retarded with my Pandora team (Pandora, Pandora, New!Persephone, New!Persephone, Grape Dragon), 12 rows and all the skillboosts I could ever need.

Also, I'm glad the DIza uvo is finally here, I can finally make the retardedly defensive Horus team I wanted. (AHorus, GOdin, LMeta, DIza, DIza,)

I shall never have RCV problems ever again. except on all the times I'll be using my offensive Horus team instead :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 18, 2015, 01:57:02 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/z5O0wtD.png)

Rodin number 1 completed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 18, 2015, 12:21:46 PM
I have apparently started a very weird fad in NA and I don't know how to feel about it.

(http://i.imgur.com/iUr20ou.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Knl6Kas.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 18, 2015, 01:23:54 PM
Finally got around to making Awoken Kagutsuchi. That mistake yesterday with Izanami ended up being extremely costly, since it took me 170 stamina to get a fucking Topalit to unevolve her. But now it's done, Kagu is evolved and skillmax. Bring on the Awoken Kagutsuchi skillup monster!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on September 18, 2015, 01:47:49 PM
it took me 170 stamina to get a fucking Topalit
Friday dungeon is the ultimate example of the desire sensor. 3 runs so far, and I've gotten everything but the ones I need.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 18, 2015, 02:01:19 PM
Bring on the Awoken Kagutsuchi skillup monster!
you mean flampys :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 18, 2015, 02:55:47 PM
you mean flampys :V

I mean now that I just maxed him with Flampys it would be just like Gungho to give us a Halloween Hera or something that skills him up too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 18, 2015, 03:45:36 PM
Maaan,I just came up with a really weird team that could actually potentially work for some stuff, assuming I could be bothered to make Mythril Edge and once AOrochi exists here.

MEdge/AKarin/AOrochi(he is part dragon, right?)/SQ/Berry Dragon/MEdge.

By my count that is seven water rows and THIRTEEN SKILL BOOSTS if I didnt miss any or overguess SB amounts.  That is beyind ridiculous.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 18, 2015, 04:18:00 PM
It's interesting in concept, but I wanna see it in action. For all real purposes Karin would be the better leader due to more broad resistance and higher multipliers, but this does bring an interesting counter to fire damage as well. Hmm.

My biggest concern is that he should not be the leader of the party, since it essentially makes his active skill pointless (can't switch out if you're already the lead!). If you start with Karin or Orochi, however, you could bring in MEdge as a switcher for resistance while being able to switch back to Karin or Orochi for more damage+resistance/resolve.

EDIT: I take that back, Karin can't be the lead since there's no dark typing in there. Orochi would be your dude.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 18, 2015, 05:11:15 PM
When is the JP stream for ult Kirin/Noah/Verdandi?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 18, 2015, 05:12:54 PM
Tomorrow super late night/super early morning Sunday for us NA folks, isn't it?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 18, 2015, 05:24:54 PM
Start times:

Overseas Stream: 9/18 9:30PM EST
JP Stream: 9/19 ~2:00AM EST
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 18, 2015, 05:38:30 PM
Double stream night then o/
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 18, 2015, 05:41:56 PM
It's interesting in concept, but I wanna see it in action. For all real purposes Karin would be the better leader due to more broad resistance and higher multipliers, but this does bring an interesting counter to fire damage as well. Hmm.

My biggest concern is that he should not be the leader of the party, since it essentially makes his active skill pointless (can't switch out if you're already the lead!). If you start with Karin or Orochi, however, you could bring in MEdge as a switcher for resistance while being able to switch back to Karin or Orochi for more damage+resistance/resolve.

EDIT: I take that back, Karin can't be the lead since there's no dark typing in there. Orochi would be your dude.
Oh, yeah I DID consider the switch issue, but hadnt really remembered Orochi could be good for a lead as well and had no better ideas.  I'll consider messing with this if I ever get caught up on my like ten evos to do.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 18, 2015, 06:26:00 PM
I'm like 0/10 on DKali

If she wont skillup by the time Ra Dragon is out I'm just going to use Pys


Also I got a tama drop with a plus egg wtf since when was this possible
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 18, 2015, 06:37:57 PM
I'm like 0/10 on DKali

If she wont skillup by the time Ra Dragon is out I'm just going to use Pys


Also I got a tama drop with a plus egg wtf since when was this possible
Always.  I've gotten plussed TAMAs from the PEM as well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 18, 2015, 08:03:40 PM
No RCV? Check. Preemptive binds that hit all light mobs? Check. Gravity? Check. Preemptive poison? Check.

(http://i.imgur.com/NolsZfH.jpg)

But Big Dog is the truest dog.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 18, 2015, 08:41:33 PM
o7

A salute to the One True Dog, I say.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 18, 2015, 11:17:05 PM
So, uhhhhhh...

(http://i.imgur.com/daLdfYO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bbHOrvb.jpg)

This team is officially retarded considering how I went in semi-blind and got an S rank on my first try.

Yes, I had to use a stone on Zeus-Dios cause his preemptive hits harder than my health allows but fuck it I got it back and murdered everything in my way because Vishnu is Balanced Attacker.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 18, 2015, 11:22:41 PM
The game lets you get an S-rank even if you lose? Huh. I did not assume that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 19, 2015, 12:40:53 AM
The game lets you get an S-rank even if you lose? Huh. I did not assume that.
Continues do not deduct points other than taking the one extra turn, so...

Hey, whatever works, right?  Dios' preemp is a load of crap anyway from what I tend to see of peoples' runins with him. 

Relatedly, something tells me running AKarin is gonna pay me back handsomely when I get the team to Rush-level specifications, given a LOT of the baddies in those are either sub-or-main dark and often have one of her other two colors involved somewhere.  Probably the worst thing will be dealing with turn 1 Hera-Ur when I get to Hera Rush, but I'll tackle that when I get there.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 19, 2015, 12:46:26 AM
Probably the worst thing will be dealing with turn 1 Hera-Ur when I get to Hera Rush, but I'll tackle that when I get there.

Just keep in mind that she only uses her water bind when she's above 50% HP for some reason. So it shouldn't be too tough for you to knock her below half into resistable/no bind range before she can move.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 19, 2015, 12:56:24 AM
Just keep in mind that she only uses her water bind when she's above 50% HP for some reason. So it shouldn't be too tough for you to knock her below half into resistable/no bind range before she can move.
...oh?  That IS useful info, thanks!  Considering I'm planning to wait til AKarin is maxskill and I have some other stuff evo'd and leveled before even TRYING a Rush I should be able to have her up turn 1 if I get my subs all lined up well, so I shouldn't have too much issue unless she gives me a dud 7star.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 19, 2015, 01:04:52 AM
what the fuck vishnu

no not the monster

fucking boss vishnu

has a sopdet damage absorb shield so it's impossible to kill him in one turn

and turn 1 he will ohko you as well as HEAL

okay yeah that's fair

at least you can delay him, but it's not going to be fun at all when they eventually stuff him into the TRUE ULTIMATE ARENA or whatever
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 19, 2015, 01:20:26 AM
what the fuck vishnu

no not the monster

fucking boss vishnu

has a sopdet damage absorb shield so it's impossible to kill him in one turn

and turn 1 he will ohko you as well as HEAL

okay yeah that's fair

at least you can delay him, but it's not going to be fun at all when they eventually stuff him into the TRUE ULTIMATE ARENA or whatever

what dungeon is that
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 19, 2015, 01:20:54 AM
The latest Challenge 10 in JP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 19, 2015, 01:27:16 AM
Finally finished hypermaxing Liu Bei. He's been +99 ATK and RCV for like a week, but it's taken me forever to finish his HP. I've been working on a Kali for my next project, and I got her to +58 off of ATK and RCV overflow. That... isn't right. :wat:

...oh?  That IS useful info, thanks!  Considering I'm planning to wait til AKarin is maxskill and I have some other stuff evo'd and leveled before even TRYING a Rush I should be able to have her up turn 1 if I get my subs all lined up well, so I shouldn't have too much issue unless she gives me a dud 7star.

Even a dud 7-star would probably do it, since you're also doing double damage to her because she's red.

what the fuck vishnu

no not the monster

fucking boss vishnu

has a sopdet damage absorb shield so it's impossible to kill him in one turn

and turn 1 he will ohko you as well as HEAL

okay yeah that's fair

at least you can delay him, but it's not going to be fun at all when they eventually stuff him into the TRUE ULTIMATE ARENA or whatever

How OHKOed? All the way? Is he tankable?

Chalk that one up to another point for Sun Quan on Ra teams I suppose.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 19, 2015, 01:36:24 AM
He hits for like 40k

And SQ would be pretty bad because of the damage boost which will push you over the damage limit

And Isis is still better because you don't have any low cds with SQ :V



Also Stream time
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on September 19, 2015, 02:05:29 AM
It's like vishnu's 3rd appearance and Orochi is probably the best answer out there. Orochi lead is amazing now for lv10.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 19, 2015, 02:59:22 AM
He hits for like 40k

Oh, okay. So that's sort of tankable.

And SQ would be pretty bad because of the damage boost which will push you over the damage limit

And Isis is still better because you don't have any low cds with SQ :V

Yeah, I don't actually know what this guy looks like, but based on your description I was taking it to mean that you actually have to delay him to get past him. If his shield lasts for more than one turn and it's actually possible to kill him through it, which I'm assuming is the case now, then that doesn't actually help that much.

As for low cooldowns... That's pretty relative, but having five seven-turn skill is pretty low, especially if you choose to use Sun Quan as a two-turn haste. That should get you through most dungeons, especially since you don't need an active on every floor. Maybe not Ultimate Arena (I still haven't looked at it that closely) or Hypothetical True Ultimate Arena I guess. But through all of the Legend Plus content in the game, alts, and descends I don't think I have ever been in a situation where all of my skills were on cooldown and I need is just a blank skill to activate Ra's enhance. Maybe there have been times when I wasted an active to get the enhance and then ended up needing it later, but if that's the case I didn't recognize it as such at the time.

What are all of the very high-damage (above 20k) pre-emptives in the game? I've been meaning to do the math for a while on which of those Isis saves you from. There's Ultimate Hera, Zeus Dios, and who else?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 19, 2015, 03:44:29 AM
Oh, okay. So that's sort of tankable.

Is it tankable with a team that can do more than 10% of his HP per turn, because that's how much he heals each turn?

EDIT: actually just going to paste his stats here, one moment

EDIT EDIT:

(http://i.imgur.com/pYcDyTe.png)

Preemptive 999-turn 1 million damage shield, and 99-turn heart/jammer skyfall boost. If you have any Lakshmi form in your team, his first move is to do nothing. The first turn he gets after that (or his first move if you have no Lakshmi) is a 999-turn status shield.

Above 30%: 20700 + hearts to jammers + another 2588 + heal 10%; 36224 + another 2588 + heal 10%; or 31050 + I think this is first column hearts, fifth column wood + another 2588 + heal 10%.

Below 50%, I believe every other turn: 18113 + bind five monsters for two turns + another 2588 + heal 10%.

Below 30%: skip turn once, and then repeatedly do 776250.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 19, 2015, 03:50:35 AM
Stream Results:
Everyone aced all the challenges. Flampy, 4 stones, 2 TAMADRA incoming.

Sengoku Pantheon incoming
Okuninushi, Apollo, Awoken Orochi, and Awoken Susano incoming. So fast! I wish we could get descend carnival so I could get some more Tengu.....
Zaerog Infinity confirmed to start SoonTM
Present Machine resetting now with starter-beans included, be sure to use yours if you haven't already.

Streams are definitely picking up in quality, even if they tend to drag a bit here and there. Antonio and AJ are definitely stepping up their game, which is nice. Antonio managed to beat Sha Wujing/Zhu Bajie Legend with an Awoken Venus team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 19, 2015, 04:36:43 AM
He hits for like 40k

And SQ would be pretty bad because of the damage boost which will push you over the damage limit

And Isis is still better because you don't have any low cds with SQ :V

His damage limit is 1M which is fine.

Delay is pretty much a must for him to be 0-stoned.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 19, 2015, 10:13:42 AM
Lots of new shit announced. Shingeki no Kyoujin cards revealed but I'm not gonna go through them cause we all know we ain't getting them in NA.

Izanagi is getting a L/D split uvo that's God/Balanced, gains additional TPA and 2 SBs
U&Y are getting a Mega Uvo that also adds Physical Typing, another +wood orb awakening and a SBR, LS also grants x1,2atk to gods after using a skill.

Quote
- Mori active max cd will be reduced to 14 turns (down from 15)
- All Sonia active down to 12 turns
- U&Y active down to 7 turns (down from 8
- Ilm, Avalon Drake, Paradise Sonia cooldowns also reduced by 1

Kushi also got a mega-uvo, third typing is attacker, LS is same but gives a "boost" to god types after skill. Probably 1.2x like U&Y
AThor and AI&I are now a thing, Their actives were changed to a x2 boost for 1 turn +1 turn haste. LSs changed to x2.5ATK/RCV for their respective elements (So Sonias are now feeling really threatened on that department.)
AThor's Awakenings are Triple light row, 2 SBRs, 1 Atk up(Really gungho?) and 2 SBs. Becomes Devil/Attacker.
AI&I is 2 Water rows, 2 TPAs, 2 SBRs, 1 SB and an HP up (Again, really gungho?). Becomes Physical/Devil.
Ult Noah increases the RCV boost to x1.5 and gives her a water row and a SB.
Ult Verdandi gains a Time Extend, a +Wood Orb and a SB. No Machine Typing.
Awoken Sakuya is L/B Dragon/Healer. Active becomes 20% grav + 2 turns bind recovery. LS is same and adds a x1.3 multiplier if you reach 7+ combos. Awakes are all over the fucking place (+ light orb, jammer resist,blind resist, sbr, TPA, finger, bind immunity and SB)

So overall... what the fuck, gungho?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 19, 2015, 10:24:04 AM
JP twitter flamed the fucking hell out of YamaP so they will buff Awoken Kirin.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 19, 2015, 12:14:11 PM
...really? She's pretty fucking amazing as she is.

What's next, complaining that 5 stones and 5 pys aren't enough?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 19, 2015, 12:58:08 PM
I really think those people need to just learn to shut up and take what they get sometimes I mean holy crap.  She's always been a mini-resist to most/all statuses...plus I think her LS is plenty fine.

Getting past whiny people for a bit though...I wonder how Freyja is gonna be.  I like the LSs, that stat set will be pretty great.

Ult Noah is pretty good I think, but I'll have to think to decide if I wanna invest in her given all the other water stuff I already HAVE.

Kushi gets even better which I like, but given her first ult was full of extra Awakes she'll prob lose em which makes that a no sell if it's the case.  I dontt lead with her so the LS boost wont help me.

Overall cool stuff I think!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 19, 2015, 01:22:44 PM
Awoken Thor... Wonder Yellow?

Kushi's ult is a super ult, like Valks and Kirin so she won't lose the awoken skills.

Awoken Kirin going Healer is pretty sweet as far as things go. Also means we can field ~*~Sandalphon~*~ (or Sun Quan if you have him) and I can just keep doing my LZL thang.

Shame that awoken Ammy isn't red to fill that gap now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 19, 2015, 01:44:42 PM
...really? She's pretty fucking amazing as she is.

mostly the complains I saw were in the AS and the awakenings.

Moreso the AS than the awakenings though. In fact, YamaP tweeted they aimed to make Awoken Kirin friendly to clear Ultimate Arena but they received a lot of negative complains for them so they need to figure out the best way to address them. Personally I felt that gravity + bind clear feels really awkward, especially since it's 10 turn CD. For example, Ame no Uzume healed 4 turns at 8 CD max and provide RCV buff.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 19, 2015, 02:11:06 PM
mostly the complains I saw were in the AS and the awakenings.

Moreso the AS than the awakenings though. In fact, YamaP tweeted they aimed to make Awoken Kirin friendly to clear Ultimate Arena but they received a lot of negative complains for them so they need to figure out the best way to address them. Personally I felt that gravity + bind clear feels really awkward, especially since it's 10 turn CD. For example, Ame no Uzume healed 4 turns at 8 CD max and provide RCV buff.

I think the greater problem I can see with it over the cd is that, when would you ever need to grav and bind clear at the same time? If you use it for one purpose over the other, then you're forced to fly without it for the remainder. Very awkward indeed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 19, 2015, 02:16:29 PM
I think the greater problem I can see with it over the cd is that, when would you ever need to grav and bind clear at the same time? If you use it for one purpose over the other, then you're forced to fly without it for the remainder. Very awkward indeed.

I just had a heated discussion about this over at PF, it's basically the SQ dilemma but oversized, because at least with SQ it's much more evident: When do I need enhance? When do I need delay? And also the question of, this team, I will use SQ for his Enhance. Or, I use SQ for his delay.

In this situation, the line is much blurred, I think if AS clear 3+ turns it would be easier
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 19, 2015, 02:32:14 PM
Is it just me or is ultimate Verdandi kind of lame? Not that I'm too disappointed, I don't think the Norns needed a huge buff, that's just pretty uninspired.

Unclear on what I think about Awoken I&I. My first impression is that Gabriel doesn't care about them and their mere existence just made my team worse because now I'm actually going to lose ALL of my I&I friends instead of just 95% of them, but maybe I just need more time to evaluate them.

I just had a heated discussion about this over at PF, it's basically the SQ dilemma but oversized, because at least with SQ it's much more evident: When do I need enhance? When do I need delay? And also the question of, this team, I will use SQ for his Enhance. Or, I use SQ for his delay.

In this situation, the line is much blurred, I think if AS clear 3+ turns it would be easier

As someone who has a hypermax Sun Quan and plays him on like every team, forcthe most part his active is just flexible. You might want euther part of it at different times within the same dungeon, but you usually don't need both. There are exceptions though, like if you want to do a small attack on the first turn of the delay to get a one-turn haste, then kill the enemy on the second turn, or if your attack is low enough (like with Gabe before a leader swap) that you need both turns to kill something.

And worst case scenario if you activate Sun Quan for the enhance and botch your combo, the delay is incidentally there to save you. You might not want both parts of the active 100% of the time, but it's not completely asynergistic by any means.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 19, 2015, 02:46:22 PM
Oh, yeah, I love SQ's dual purposes, it I think is a selling point as opposed to a bad thing, haha.

I hadnt known Kushi's was a super ult.  In that case I'm actually rather excited!  Attacker is a great typing to have wood cards get of course, so giving her the ability to actually hit things and get boosted by GZL amd such is a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 19, 2015, 03:05:49 PM
And worst case scenario if you activate Sun Quan for the enhance and botch your combo, the delay is incidentally there to save you. You might not want both parts of the active 100% of the time, but it's not completely asynergistic by any means.

That's the thing though. Bind clear as a defensive option is way way WAY more limited than delay lmao

It's not the same, you would use A.Kirin gravity for boss burst, but then if you have to use Bind Clear to not die, you lose that boss burst basically indefinitely cause 10 CD is too long to be stalled effectively; but if you enter the dungeon with just A.Kirin to clear binds, then you are already resigned to give up Gravity in the first place.

Unliked SQ's active skill, A.Kirin's AS has only illusion of choice
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 19, 2015, 03:20:20 PM
That seems like an odd distinction to make. Sun Quan doesn't really give "choice" either. You either need one or both parts of his skill in a situation or you don't. There's not much to choose. For him you're much more likely to be in a situation where both parts of the skill matter than Kirin is, but I guess I don't understand what choice you're referring to.

That said, I do think Kirin's skill is excellent. Bind clear may be situational, but when it matters it really matters. Even if you assume the two halves of her skill are mutually exclusive, which they aren't quite, having two strong options means she has a useful tool for two situations. That's great. And I don't know a ton about Kirin teams, but if I'm not mistaken she doesn't typically draw all of her colors from bind-immune sources, which makes bind clear much more relevant than it is on Ra.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 19, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
Case one. Mephisto binds gods below 75% HP, so if you have a bind clear it's a free turn. But, you're likely to use Kirin gravity to get to that point in the first place...

Kagoogs binds devils below 75%, Zhuge Liang only does his team bind when he's already very low on HP (such that a gravity doesn't even do very much).

Can we... give Kirin a haste so an actual bind clear can do something sooner? A damage reduction? A light orb enhance? We can give her a row-heal instead of her bind clear active and that's much better as a cleric than before. :/

They also removed one of her light orb enhances, so that's not nearly as spammable as before.

So can we talk about I&I as a sub for uvouvo Sachi bros? Both physical types, both have doubledongs, I&I doubles water attack for a turn and covers dark? Hell yes.

I'm sure they can find some way to get a light mob in there. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on September 19, 2015, 03:53:20 PM
...really? She's pretty fucking amazing as she is.

What's next, complaining that 5 stones and 5 pys aren't enough?

I really think those people need to just learn to shut up and take what they get sometimes I mean holy crap.  She's always been a mini-resist to most/all statuses...plus I think her LS is plenty fine.

Getting past whiny people for a bit though...I wonder how Freyja is gonna be.  I like the LSs, that stat set will be pretty great.

Ult Noah is pretty good I think, but I'll have to think to decide if I wanna invest in her given all the other water stuff I already HAVE.

Kushi gets even better which I like, but given her first ult was full of extra Awakes she'll prob lose em which makes that a no sell if it's the case.  I dontt lead with her so the LS boost wont help me.

Overall cool stuff I think!
'
Isis and  the other Chinese have had off color enhances. Does that mean it would have been alright if they kept them. The mini-resists never really did that much. Sure it was nice when they bailed you out, but you still had to play like they weren't there.  This  feels less like an Awoken ult and more like a side one tbh.  Compared to the other ults, this one is more work for less reward.


Kind of annoyed that Awoken I&I isn't healer. Cool art though.  I like the Izanagi ult, but  it would be nice if he had something over Kanna.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 19, 2015, 05:20:58 PM
I was hoping for Ult Noah to be Goemon tier but this is ehhhh

Also wtf why are Ama, Okuni and Izanagi split ults but Kushi and Shotas super ults???


Also if only Kushi gained an extra skill lock resist then I could run her perfectly on Ra Dragon and I could forget about Indra bluhhh

Oh hey Awoken Thor has two and I have thor and...

HE'S NOT A GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HOW CAN THOR, GOD OF FUCKING THUNDER, NOT BE A GOD


lmao the AoT cards are a spoiler
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 19, 2015, 06:36:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/DFTnZSyl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/DFTnZSy.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/TJR1RTfl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/TJR1RTf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/omEnUo1l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/omEnUo1.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/iEdEP5wl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/iEdEP5w.jpg)

well that certainly happened
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on September 19, 2015, 07:04:58 PM
This gave me a lesson. Look at the damage numbers before going into the dungeon...
Died the first time against Osiris, when skyfall droped him below 30% and he oneshot me.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZTRjRu5.jpg)
Eat that board!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 19, 2015, 07:14:08 PM
Man it's kind of sad that the Awoken Norse still have strictly worse actives than Kanna despite the fact that they're awokens

Also they still have stat awakenings like pls
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 19, 2015, 07:30:58 PM
ok I did it right this time

(http://i.imgur.com/vKF65Te.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on September 19, 2015, 08:08:16 PM
Kind of annoyed that Awoken I&I isn't healer. Cool art though.  I like the Izanagi ult, but  it would be nice if he had something over Kanna.

This so much. They had valkyries for uevo mat, but no they went for DQ Hera, What the hell.
LS is like a less restricted sonia 1/2.5/2.5 but who even uses sonia leads anymore.

I'm hyping izanagi, his only thing over Kanna is being L/D, so HATHOR sub. Yay!
scerw blue teams blue healers are ded ;; , I'm gonna invest in a hathor team if they don't screw up her ult.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 19, 2015, 08:28:44 PM
YamaP probably decided to just throw water into the trash because of Baggi
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 19, 2015, 10:10:43 PM
Man it's kind of sad that the Awoken Norse still have strictly worse actives than Kanna despite the fact that they're awokens

Also they still have stat awakenings like pls

awoken norse's active is a lot stronger because an element is a -huge- pool of cards compared to dragon/god.

their awakenings are still amazing with stat awakenings included, though yes, kinda annoying those are still in

awoken norse are actually pretty fucking baller, probably the best released cards in this set imo

their one weakness is right now there isn't really a hands down match for their LS, but it's still a very good ls in the end, especially as they're strong cards as always

edit: well to rephrase- relevant to the actual builds you'd use each card in, element is a lot more useful tbh :v

some elements only match dragon/god if you include all elements but that'd be extreme nitpicking
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 19, 2015, 10:52:10 PM
dragon/god is still a really really big pool though

they really just need to reduce it to 10 cd so there's no debate on who's better or w/e

most people are just going to end up not using them even though it's just slightly worse just like how everyone is all over Ra but not Horus
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 19, 2015, 11:08:53 PM
dragon/god is still a really really big pool though

they really just need to reduce it to 10 cd so there's no debate on who's better or w/e

most people are just going to end up not using them even though it's just slightly worse just like how everyone is all over Ra but not Horus

if it was 10 cd norse would be flat better, ngl

dragon/god is but like half the shit won't want to be on the same team as kanna or as useful for her to boost (like i you know, just mentioned)

like I said, element is a lot more useful of a pool in the end

it's just a plain stronger active from a building perspective so it's really worth the 12 cd

edit: kanna doesn't even actually conflict or fight with most of the norse anyway though suikama

literally, she will not effect their usage. If they don't get used it's because of other reasons such as 'i don't think i need or want an enhance'
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 19, 2015, 11:41:55 PM
Having the same cd mean's it flat out better? So how is 12 cd not flat out worse?

Teambuilding-wise sure but if you have the subs it doesn't matter and Kanna has an optimized haste engine with 4 apocalyse subs while Norse have... Awoken Chinese I guess??

Actually no because 12 turns is too long for an engine to work. You need 10 turns or less for 4 orb change + 2 enhancers.


Also I'm not saying they're bad and obviously they work fine as subs, but being 12 cd means you can't pull off certain stuff which is disappointing and would be easily remedied with a 10 turn buff
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on September 19, 2015, 11:50:56 PM
I can see where Chaore is coming from. This reminds me similarly of when I argued with you about Shiva-dora when it was out.

Basically Awoken Norses are more user-friendly, but caps off at a lower potential.
Kanna's optimal teams are pretty specific and hard to get (herself is hard to get anyways!) but when you have them you're op.

Similar to how Isis and Horus isn't exactly bad but all the high-end players would rather spend more effort and use Ra, because if you put the same amount of effort into Isis or Ra you get more out of Ra.

I was hoping for something with higher potential, and wouldn't mind even if it meant all those blue healers I invested in are useless when I can built a blue physical team that can actually fight back against today's lv8+ enemies. But now I look at this 1/2.5/2.5 LS here and tbh I can probably do more with B/L I&I's 1.35/3/1. You know if the new I&I was healer we could've done 1.35/7.5/2.5 but NOPE. lame
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 19, 2015, 11:54:19 PM
Similar to how Isis and Horus isn't exactly bad but all the high-end players would rather spend more effort and use Ra, because if you put the same amount of effort into Isis or Ra you get more out of Ra.
most people are just going to end up not using them even though it's just slightly worse just like how everyone is all over Ra but not Horus

also 'hard to get' is kind of a moot point since every card is really the same difficulty to 'get' since it's all just luck based. Like Trance can't get any DKali while I somehow got 2 but could never get Muse who isn't even a godfest card while plenty of other people have him. "statistically' they're harder to get but that doesn't really apply until you pull like thousands of times.

so like one person might get kanna + 4 apos while someone else might get like I&I + 4 karins but the kanna player is just better off because ~balance~
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on September 19, 2015, 11:57:01 PM

welp I got found out I just lazily skimmed through all your posts. :V rip

Oh yea, some people suggested the 2.5x rcv which would usually be overkill might actually is designed with match play mode in mind where you and your partner's hp are combined and you have like 40k+ easily.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 20, 2015, 12:00:27 AM
Huh if they're balancing cards for coop mode then uh sure cause I can't really say anything about that yet :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 20, 2015, 12:41:29 AM
wow i just got killed by my battery low warning why
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 20, 2015, 01:16:23 AM
wow i just got killed by my battery low warning why
Because even your phone/tablet/whatever device wants you to die.

I've had this happen before too, having it pop up so I can't see what I'm matching in the middle of moving or it stops me cold.  Super annoying.  Always remember to charge your device if you're gonna do anything of actual difficulty!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 20, 2015, 01:23:28 AM
I tried looking for a way to turn the warning off but nope thanks Apple

Also my battery is still over 50% wtf???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 20, 2015, 01:33:44 AM
... you know, I wouldn't mind pairing up with Awoken Thor if I had no other Big Dog friends.

#bigdogpositivercv
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 20, 2015, 01:40:08 AM
So uh if the MP shop is supposed to rotate every two weeks, then Neptune Dragon should be out today in NA...

unless of course NA is going to be slower as usual...

don't tell me I'll have to wait till 2016 for Ra Dragon >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 20, 2015, 01:43:23 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/WwH2b23.jpg) 

(http://i.imgur.com/Q5Tokia.jpg)

First 297~!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 20, 2015, 01:47:51 AM
Also I'm not saying they're bad and obviously they work fine as subs, but being 12 cd means you can't pull off certain stuff which is disappointing and would be easily remedied with a 10 turn buff

missing engine shenanigans doesn't make it a worse active is my point

unsurprisingly, a lot of people don't run engines and that's not the only place they'd go ever

i don't really think a 10 cd buff is needed or really warranted because their active is a lot stronger than 10 cd actives in the end or really something worth griping about tbh

so we'll just disagree there i guess

I can see where Chaore is coming from. This reminds me similarly of when I argued with you about Shiva-dora when it was out.

yeah

to note, i still have literally no reason to get shivadora and he'd actually be weaker than a. shiva for actual content for the same reasons

no jotunn, chiyome, or kiriko is the saddest of lifes

a lot of people are the same and shivadora has far from taken over my list as a result

most people who have a.shiva are sticking with him

So uh if the MP shop is supposed to rotate every two weeks, then Neptune Dragon should be out today in NA...

unless of course NA is going to be slower as usual...

don't tell me I'll have to wait till 2016 for Ra Dragon >_>

given the news feed on pdx, it looks a lot longer than two weeks
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 20, 2015, 01:51:15 AM
it's weird cause some things we have are like only 1 month behind like the actual game version but then stuff like dungeons are just like holy shit zaerog infinity came out in MAY
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 20, 2015, 01:59:26 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/WwH2b23.jpg) 

(http://i.imgur.com/Q5Tokia.jpg)

First 297~!

Pretty sweet! Get that hypermax :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 20, 2015, 02:04:14 AM
Pretty sweet! Get that hypermax :D
I'm working on it, believe me!  The stream TAMAs will finish her Awakenings, so now I just have to hunt those last 3 Bubpy.  Time to grind money then punch alts for a while!

Should see what Challenge Dungeon level has one now as well and see if I can maybe 1 stone it or so at worst...

EDIT:  Lv 9!?  Oh heeeeeck no.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 20, 2015, 02:08:10 AM
So uh if the MP shop is supposed to rotate every two weeks, then Neptune Dragon should be out today in NA...

unless of course NA is going to be slower as usual...

don't tell me I'll have to wait till 2016 for Ra Dragon >_>

monthly rotation bro
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 20, 2015, 02:13:00 AM
 :colonveeplusalpha:

Welp I guess this means I'll get him for my Birthday?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 20, 2015, 03:10:42 AM
monthly rotation bro

actually looking back from yomi announce to month before, it seems like it took even longer....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 20, 2015, 03:16:05 AM
well at least i have plenty of time to farm 297+ for both Ra and DKali...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 20, 2015, 03:39:20 AM
I think I have a Yamato Rush strategy that should work, but it's going to take forever so I'm not motivated to try it. And I'm busy farming +eggs, so maybe I'll wait for some other time to give it a try,
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 20, 2015, 03:51:08 AM
some nerd: wtf haore why did you hypermax yuna color leads sux and you're moving to mono-color anyway

me: (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s6Gwh9pf5FI/Vf4spXNxSTI/AAAAAAAACsI/DJn8Zbh4V1w/w428-h685-no/15%2B-%2B1)

some nerd: shit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 20, 2015, 05:55:19 AM
Today's pretty great for me it seems.

Got my first ever Py drop from an alt:  Karin SL 2->3

Completely blew through Challenge Lv 6:  DMeta SL2->3.

Not at all a bad way to end my evening!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 20, 2015, 12:05:59 PM
Went ahead and had an offline meet with some PF folks.

Was pretty fun overall. Had a good time. I asked them who I should next hypermax with my +297 fodder.

(http://i.imgur.com/QfYRVoi.png)

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 20, 2015, 05:13:20 PM
Question. How long did it take for the "10x Descend Boss sell value" to be part of an event? And would that mean that the Croc/Pig dungeon is most efficient since you can get Guan Yinping alongside the two actual bosses?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 20, 2015, 05:14:29 PM
I man have seen it wrong, but I'm pretty sure Tengu in Yamato Rush just used his instant kill against me without charging it up. So watch out for that I guess? Can anyone confirm or deny that?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 20, 2015, 05:16:46 PM
Can confirm; neither PDX nor Skyozora (generally the more accurate of the two) have "Focus my mind" listed in his Yamato Rush setup.

Question. How long did it take for the "10x Descend Boss sell value" to be part of an event? And would that mean that the Croc/Pig dungeon is most efficient since you can get Guan Yinping alongside the two actual bosses?

Unsure when it got implemented, but there's also a Descend Carnival with four stages to choose from that you might want to keep an eye out for. I'm hoping it gets here soon, because it allows for easier farming of:

-- Tengu, Kanetsugu, either Xuanzang, Wadatsumi, Kaguya
-- Gravis, Gaia, Noah, Thothdet, Sandalphon
-- Draggie, Dragon Zombie, Cauchemar, Medjedra, Sphinx
-- Goemon, Zhang Fei, Guan Yinping, Zhao Yun, Zhou Yu
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 20, 2015, 05:19:44 PM
Oh shit, they don't? Did they at some point? I built one of my potential teams specifically noting that PDX did include it at some point last week. At least I thought I did.

Not that it really matters that much, I shoukd be able to handle him either way after seeing actual in-dungeon numbers, just wasn't expecting that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 20, 2015, 05:49:42 PM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ThGsVADpIBk/Vf7xb5sAdrI/AAAAAAAACtM/wky9raGQBkQ/w385-h684-no/15%2B-%2B1)

 :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 20, 2015, 07:43:59 PM
Py challenges during the off event? awesome BV

also rank 400 get :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on September 20, 2015, 09:44:38 PM
Heey! After being absent for a while i finally came back to hell PAD  :D

"Oh, the special roll for rank 150! Cool, let see what i get..."

4th Godin  :V

Went to check my box and remembered i still have 3 GGY..... should i sell a few of them for points or all this beard 'n abs wooden manliness could be useful later on?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 20, 2015, 09:52:58 PM
Keep one, sell the other two, there's almost no chance even an UVO will make stacking GGYs good.

You should keep one though, just in case an UVO comes down the line that makes GGY the new juggler or something.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 20, 2015, 10:36:45 PM
Keep one, sell the other two, there's almost no chance even an UVO will make stacking GGYs good.

You should keep one though, just in case an UVO comes down the line that makes GGY the new juggler or something.

All they have to do is give GGY haste and he will suddenly be OP.

Given the way powercreep has been going...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 21, 2015, 02:15:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JPmkkvj.png)

Why doesn't these fuckers SHOW UP MORE  >:(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 21, 2015, 02:23:49 AM
If you called me names I probably wouldn't show up if I lived there either!  =D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 21, 2015, 02:38:00 AM
http://pad.neocyon.com/W/notice/view.aspx?id=486 ultimate arena in kr

soontm in NA
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 21, 2015, 02:53:28 AM
oh boy i cant wait to try it with ra drago-

oh right :X
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 21, 2015, 03:24:14 AM
So I guess we're skipping super king carnival and descend carnival?

The way we're jumping around in content order is kind of frustrating. I'm happy they're finally getting their asses in gear to get us caught up, but :/
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 21, 2015, 03:33:42 AM
So I guess we're skipping super king carnival and descend carnival?

The way we're jumping around in content order is kind of frustrating. I'm happy they're finally getting their asses in gear to get us caught up, but :/

I just checked some dates, turns out Super King Carnival, Descend Carnival, etc. all came out around the same time as about a month later than Ultimate Arena in JP, so it's weird.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 21, 2015, 05:19:40 AM
Huh. According to the version differences on reddit they came a week or two before Arena came out.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 21, 2015, 05:44:27 AM
Huh. According to the version differences on reddit they came a week or two before Arena came out.

Oh wait, I was looking at the wrong thing, I was looking at when they combined KC with SKC :V

My bad
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 21, 2015, 09:44:08 AM
Tonight on the rdj Insomnia Power Hour: WATCH ME SCORE

(http://i.imgur.com/8qxsCqrl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/8qxsCqr.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/9Dzy7K5l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/9Dzy7K5.jpg)

Also Hera/Takeminakata/Goemon/Cauchemar/Hera-Is/Satan/Beelzebub cleared I guess
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 21, 2015, 01:09:49 PM
Yamato Takeru is pretty cool.

(http://i.imgur.com/8LsSkMw.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/PHpHATy.jpg)

What's scary here is that this is only x10 instead of the usual x16. Don't underestimate that Theurgia active skill.
Also Minerva's fire resist awoken saved me from... Minverva's preemptive by about 200 HP.


Worth. (http://imgur.com/RHdKJYF)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 21, 2015, 01:24:38 PM
A whole lot of green jewels and woodpys later, Meimei is now max skilled.

Success!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 21, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
Yamato Takeru is pretty cool.

I actually use Yamato as a non-dupe lead with Shiva Dragon to do some speed farming setups. He's strong, and definitely worth hypermaxing
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 21, 2015, 02:08:38 PM
Can we stop havibg Wadatsumi on every single descend challenge please? For sheer unpleasantness his dungeon is topped only by Medjed and Zhao Yun in my opinion. I think I've proven I can beat him by this point, so can I just get a pass?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 21, 2015, 02:24:50 PM
Can we stop havibg Wadatsumi on every single descend challenge please? For sheer unpleasantness his dungeon is topped only by Medjed and Zhao Yun in my opinion. I think I've proven I can beat him by this point, so can I just get a pass?

I think Wadashitty is way worse than Medjed and Zhao Yun actually D:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on September 21, 2015, 02:39:35 PM
I think Wadashitty is way worse than Medjed and Zhao Yun actually D:

I dunno. I can just Luci Wadatsumi away, though, if I have faster way to deal with UmiYama bros, I'll use that instead. Medjed's switch crap is really annoying. He hits annoyingly hard too. I can't say much about Zhao Yun. I thought the most annoying part of his dungeon was Divinegon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 21, 2015, 02:42:57 PM
I dunno. I can just Luci Wadatsumi away, though, if I have faster way to deal with UmiYama bros, I'll use that instead. Medjed's switch crap is really annoying. He hits annoyingly hard too. I can't say much about Zhao Yun. I thought the most annoying part of his dungeon was Divinegon.

I don't have Luci, I have to use Verdandi.

Anyway

(http://i.imgur.com/eOm4tYE.png)

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 21, 2015, 03:42:37 PM
Can we stop havibg Wadatsumi on every single descend challenge please? For sheer unpleasantness his dungeon is topped only by Medjed and Zhao Yun in my opinion. I think I've proven I can beat him by this point, so can I just get a pass?

A lot of people seem to have a lot of problem with this dungeon for some reason, and it seems to persist even at the top echelons of players. Is it bad that I personally don't find him that hard?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Yukarin on September 21, 2015, 03:46:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5Ajlm34.jpg)

:toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 21, 2015, 03:50:20 PM
A lot of people seem to have a lot of problem with this dungeon for some reason, and it seems to persist even at the top echelons of players. Is it bad that I personally don't find him that hard?

It's not hard, at least not exceptionally so. Wadatsumi probably barely makes the top ten hardest descends in my opinion. It's just so annoying. U&Y is one of the slowest and most annoying fights in the game for a blue team, and if you're going to die in that dungeon it's almost always completely your fault because you reflexively tried to do something that takes awakenings.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 21, 2015, 04:22:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4QtkAKt.jpg)

See how much HP I had left? See LZL's awoken skills?

That extra 20% RCV inches his heal by 1420, which apparently just barely saved my rear end.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 21, 2015, 04:25:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eOm4tYE.png)

What are you gonna use her for?

Mamiya is so strange to me. Great awakenings, great skill despite needing flampy, but her stats are pretty shoddy even at hypermax.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on September 21, 2015, 04:43:14 PM
A lot of people seem to have a lot of problem with this dungeon for some reason, and it seems to persist even at the top echelons of players. Is it bad that I personally don't find him that hard?

I don't think so. If you have tankiness. Umiyama becomes much less of an asshole. Outside of him, there's nothing really annoying in the dungeon. Most of the people complaining are ones who can't take 2-3 attacks from him without healing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 21, 2015, 04:48:46 PM
I don't think so. If you have tankiness. Umiyama becomes much less of an asshole. Outside of him, there's nothing really annoying in the dungeon. Most of the people complaining are ones who can't take 2-3 attacks from him without healing.

Most people, maybe, but oh god not me. I can eat attacks from them all day, but it takes me f-o-r-e-v-er to kill them because they constantly steal my orbs and spend a lot of time being green. Ugh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Pesco on September 21, 2015, 05:19:25 PM
I managed to take Wadatsumi with Lkali and statsticks. It took me a couple of tries only because of orb trolled on leviathan or me killing the first floor too quickly that a board reset wasn't up yet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 21, 2015, 05:49:48 PM
Yeah, I'm still too inconsistent with rainbow leads to try to do it with Ra without skillboosts and time extends. Even best-case scenario I probably wouldn't try it because of the first floor trollage potential.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 21, 2015, 06:24:53 PM
I don't think so. If you have tankiness. Umiyama becomes much less of an asshole. Outside of him, there's nothing really annoying in the dungeon. Most of the people complaining are ones who can't take 2-3 attacks from him without healing.

I mean, I beat him using Alraune and all farmable units on my end, so I know how trivial he is, but that just makes me even more baffled because people with whaled cards can't do it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 21, 2015, 06:45:35 PM
Alraune is a tank leader though :V

Also there's not as much difference between farmables and REM monsters when awoken skills are diabled
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 21, 2015, 06:50:46 PM
Alraune is a tank leader though :V

Also there's not as much difference between farmables and REM monsters when awoken skills are diabled

those hypermax doe

EDIT: This is the kind of shit i'm talking about lmao, seems "just use tank team" doesn't work even with whales

(http://i.imgur.com/uqAUWRV.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on September 21, 2015, 07:27:16 PM
I mean, I beat him using Alraune and all farmable units on my end, so I know how trivial he is, but that just makes me even more baffled because people with whaled cards can't do it.

I was under the impression that was less they can't and more they don't want to. One of the people complaining about it, (think it was Wishy), mentioned that Luci "farms him like a champ." They want fast farming teams, and a lot of those struggle with Umiyama when awakenings are disabled.

I'd think that batman team should have been able to take care of Umiyama though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 21, 2015, 07:34:35 PM
Apparently the guy tried to do tpas on them... smh

Also another person with shiva dragon keeps getting bodied. No awk too strong for mainstream players
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on September 21, 2015, 07:58:08 PM
I managed to take Wadatsumi with Lkali and statsticks. It took me a couple of tries only because of orb trolled on leviathan or me killing the first floor too quickly that a board reset wasn't up yet.
This is my current plan as Wadatsumi is the next on my to-beat-up list because I must have every Woodpy.  We'll see how well this goes!

Edit: Answer is yes.  I may or may not have roflstomped that dungeon but my LKali team is somewhat beastly and :whale: and yeah as long as you don't get Floor 1 Orbtrolled since you don't have skillboosts to save you that was definitely the correct way for me to beat him/her up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 21, 2015, 08:42:08 PM
Ah ha ha I almost just died on Cauchemar Legend with Verdandi what the fuck am I doing. I was expecting it to be Satan because I apparently don't know what dungeons are called, and apparently my brain just shuts down if it gets even slightly surprised.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on September 21, 2015, 10:50:20 PM
I had way more trouble on Cauchemar than was logical I swear half the time I run into combo shields I forget how 2 game :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 21, 2015, 11:12:11 PM
Meanwhile my hypermaxxed vishnu BFF is nowhere to be found and I need me some pys ;_;

Time to tough it out with Horus I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 22, 2015, 12:44:57 AM
I forgot there were TAMADRA handouts today!

(http://i.imgur.com/Y211ZEc.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 22, 2015, 01:43:33 AM
What are you gonna use her for?

Mamiya is so strange to me. Great awakenings, great skill despite needing flampy, but her stats are pretty shoddy even at hypermax.

Scarlet Descended when I plan to Shiva Dragon farm her. I just need 1 or 2 Ares to complete the team.

Very good for dungeons with pre-emptive jammer spam (I ran Mamiya when I was speedfarming Batman Collab 2 Gotham to one-turn kill Joker, for example) also if I run Shiva Dragon

She's a solid niche sub IMO, very legit, and thanks to the 4 Dark Resists it allows me to tank a lot of fuck-off attacks I normally wouldn't be able to.

EDIT: Also my Mamiya isn't LV99 yet. The stats won't be much better at hypermax but I feel they need to be hypermax for her to be even worth using on harder descends.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Aoshi-shi on September 22, 2015, 04:57:34 AM
One small detail I seem to have missed before charging in with Kirin

>Photosynthesis

bye
(http://i.imgur.com/uMK2OEv.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 22, 2015, 09:29:41 AM
One small detail I seem to have missed before charging in with Kirin

>Photosynthesis

bye
(http://i.imgur.com/uMK2OEv.png)

beorc mythical is super dumb to beat, gg
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 22, 2015, 10:35:27 AM
Ult Ares, Udon, and Sonia/Dmeta/pirate /Hero buffs incoming!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 22, 2015, 01:46:58 PM
Udon!
my body is ready


...actually no its not because i need another amberjack >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on September 22, 2015, 01:50:42 PM
Ares :*

I think this means I have something resembling a fire row team now, as I also have Rodin (ROWdin?) Awoken Suzaku, Goemon, and a Minerva almost ready to be awoken?

PREPARE YOU EVO MATS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
LET THE SILLINESS BEGIN.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 22, 2015, 02:21:01 PM
Hmm. I guess I should get to town on that black Metatron team. So far I got Metatron/Hanzo/Finn/Pandora/Durga or Loki/Metatron.

That doesn't really seem close to optimal, it's kind of an outdated version of that team and I don't love how few orbchanges it has for how greedy Metatron is, but it should hit like a thousand trucks. Non-god subs with crappy HP seems like a real suboptimal use of Metatron's new niche.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 22, 2015, 02:40:39 PM
I practically feel like this was easy mode(even though it was hard) compared to some, but...

(http://i.imgur.com/glulcp0.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/qhHxOXA.jpg)

Special thanks to Sacchi for being the only Vishnu on my list, haha.  Guy's outrageous.

EDIT:

(http://i.imgur.com/naMqdyp.jpg)

Ahahahaha, this was nuts.  Second try and he went down.  As a result, I was able to do this!

(http://i.imgur.com/pjIdkYS.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 22, 2015, 06:56:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Cx86FZHl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Cx86FZH.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/PWCZMsVl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/PWCZMsV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZSL0scLl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ZSL0scL.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/EkMUWAbl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/EkMUWAb.jpg)

Satan is a huge buttface and killed the first attempt, and then I got HANGRY'd the second time. Third time was the charm, though!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 22, 2015, 07:10:32 PM
will the bowl dragons ever show up as coin dungeons?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 22, 2015, 07:32:01 PM
The current JP rotation does have them, so I guess eventually?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 22, 2015, 07:47:59 PM
Special thanks to Sacchi for being the only Vishnu on my list, haha.  Guy's outrageous.

YYYYYYYYeah he really is kinda stupid isn't he? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 22, 2015, 07:54:08 PM
Izanami Tries It: Hugging everybody to death

(http://i.imgur.com/rJGL5BZ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/vPE2vJO.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 23, 2015, 02:45:59 AM
You know, Lizzy, I'd -really like it- if you stopped hitting me through 80% resist.

I'll start fielding Youtuberu/Kiriko/Awoken Suzaku/Wizard Laila/Chiyome/Yakitori at this rate... sucks to take out Theurgia for now right after I skillmax her.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 23, 2015, 02:50:53 AM
80% is basically 0% in gungho land

which is why i really need to roll an indra <___<

why am i always literally one card off every time >______>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 23, 2015, 05:26:56 AM
Hera-Ur is not nearly as scary as I thought she was, wow.

Long as I get SQ up floor 1, the rest of the dungeon is pretty much an open and shut deal.

1: KO wood ogre, stall long as I can.

2: SQ, kill Formula, preferably before delay runs out.

3: Nornboard, instant death.

4:  Stall for used skills, Force when needed, kill.

5: Nornboard.  Game over.

Now onto Izanami!  ...later today when I've stamina.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 23, 2015, 07:22:03 AM
Just zero-stoned sandypon using vishnu as my lead and Academy!Athena as my co-lead. I compltely fucked up several times over BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE THIS TEAM IS RETARDED.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 23, 2015, 07:33:19 AM
I'm really feeling the lack of +eggs on non-Kirin teams. Kirin is hitting 4000 RCV and 24500+ HP, while Yamato Takeru is only hitting 2100~ and 17000 RCV and HP.

That said, Yamato Takeru is still really good at going in, guns blazing at a moment's notice. I like it, still.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 23, 2015, 07:35:08 AM
I hate this dungeon and every stone it has stolen from me.

(http://i.imgur.com/L4A2oVz.jpg)

Die. Give me that damn py.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 23, 2015, 02:26:40 PM
... the desire to give Beelzebub's +eggs to Yamato Takeru is surprisingly real.

YT is farming Izanami much more reliably than Kirin, at least. Laila's active is pulling her weight as well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 23, 2015, 03:00:22 PM
jesus christ hera buttorc kept screwing up my board and WOULD NOT BIND ME DESPITE IT BEING 70% CHANCE so i accidentally hit her below 30%

this dungeon is literally so fucking easy besides her I even killed the fatty metal....


wadasumi is also stupid i died floor 1 because i have no actives and everything spawned with 1 turn
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 23, 2015, 03:11:38 PM
okay the hardest part of wadasumi is knowing WHAT THE HELL IM SUPPOSED TO USE???

like oh no rows i'll bring my strongest delay oh wait NO SKILL BOOSTS MEANS ILL NEVER BE ABLE TO USE THIS

okay i can stall on umiyama WAIT HE KILLS HEART ORBS AND I HAVE NO HEARTMAKERS

also no time extends OOPS DROPPED COMBO OOPS DROPPED COMBO OOPS

also also i can never remember what i used to beat it before because its always some random shit or something that i probably ate for +eggs
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 23, 2015, 03:13:34 PM
like oh no rows i'll bring my strongest delay oh wait NO SKILL BOOSTS MEANS ILL NEVER BE ABLE TO USE THIS

If I was able to stall 18+ turns for threedia, delay should be cake to stall for.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 23, 2015, 03:16:17 PM
25 turns orochi delay >_>

ALSO NOW I ENTERED HERA RUSH WITH THE WRONG TEAM

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK


e: okay there we go but it took a rage stone stamina refresh >__>

Devil descend still looks impossible without luck though. I literally need skyfalls to pass satan because I need all my actives to kill Beelz


e2: so i bring echinda this time and she handles U&Y okay nice

and then i have no hearts on wada and die in 1 hit

what do you want from me
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 23, 2015, 04:21:38 PM
Okay, I killed all the descends, now I've just got the Legend Plus stuff to go, which in theory shouldn't be a problem either.

At what number of Piis can I justify just maxing my hero gods with them? They'te starting to clog my box, but I know I'm going to want them sone day. But I'm also probably going to get a bunch more before then...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 23, 2015, 06:08:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vtsR10p.png)
They see me enhancing. They hating.

If Theurgia isn't up, gods forbid, Suzaku + Laila works.
I usually pop Theurgia on wave 1, and a x9 attack will usually just kill the light demon. So I basically get four turns to stall again, but having backup options is always good.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on September 23, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
At what number of Piis can I justify just maxing my hero gods with them? They'te starting to clog my box

That is the istant when i started to hate you.  :V

Btw, 0-stoned Hera-Is with Ronia/Ronia team...... old school FTW, "Ronia is obsolete" my puffy backside  :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 23, 2015, 06:16:44 PM
Okay, I killed all the descends, now I've just got the Legend Plus stuff to go, which in theory shouldn't be a problem either.

At what number of Piis can I justify just maxing my hero gods with them? They'te starting to clog my box, but I know I'm going to want them sone day. But I'm also probably going to get a bunch more before then...
You can always leave them in your mailbox, yknow.  = ) Well, assuming you domt get a ton from alt farming which I cant see many people doing while DC is up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 23, 2015, 06:18:50 PM
Ronia isn't obsolete, but she's starting to get kinda threatened by newer mobs. Awoken Norse seem to offer 2.5x ATK/RCV for -color- and offer their own color enhance, for example.

Beelzeronia is a neat compromise between all three stats, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 23, 2015, 07:02:49 PM
Btw, 0-stoned Hera-Is with Ronia/Ronia team...... old school FTW, "Ronia is obsolete" my puffy backside  :D

But Hera-Is is an old dungeon. How does beating an old dungeon prove that a lead isn't oudated?

Note that I'm not saying she is or isn't, but regardless, that doesn't prove much.

You can always leave them in your mailbox, yknow.  = ) Well, assuming you domt get a ton from alt farming which I cant see many people doing while DC is up.

Mailbox cap is fifty, isn't it? I probably shouldm't leave them in the box, since mine is starting to get full from orbs.

And yeah, a few (I think three?) are from alts, but I've never really farmed alts that hard. And certainly not now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 23, 2015, 07:16:03 PM
Ahh, I never wind up with more than like 6-8 mails in my box ever so I didn't really think about the cap whoops. 

Still, a hero god is not a bad place to toss a Py if you have no better spot to put it!  Evolved skillups are trash.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 23, 2015, 09:00:33 PM
>Siren binds Isis

this is actually the worst dungeon in the game
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on September 23, 2015, 09:57:18 PM
The moment when you realise, that you forgot to pack a light source. [TM]

(http://i.imgur.com/369ylAs.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 23, 2015, 09:59:30 PM
>Siren binds Isis

this is actually the worst dungeon in the game
Wood bind sucks, doesn't it?  Maybe you can knock her close to half then blow her up so you avoid it?  No Awakenings is rough, especially for people who rely on cards' bind immunity.  You can do it though!

you won't want to to near Kaguyahime if you haven't yet.  Just...you won't.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 23, 2015, 10:39:41 PM
Kaguya was way easier than this, although I think I used Andromeda so she would have dodged the devil bind

I guess I should just use a stallier leader but who? Nut?

It's so hard to think around non awakenings because I've basically trained myself to manage damage around them like no active -> 500k, 1 row -> 2 million, 2 rows -> 5 million etc but with no awakenings i dunno how hard i hit anymore
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 23, 2015, 10:42:15 PM
Nut would probably work fine, yeah. You'd have more HP for U&Y and Siren, at least; would still have to smash your way through Leviathan but since awakenings don't matter you can try to maximize number of combos instead.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 23, 2015, 10:54:33 PM
Levia is okay because he's half fire

It's just having to deal with the trio of UY, Siren, and Wada and ahving enough delays/burst and stuff for all but I guess with stall it becomes mush easier

Although you cant stall on Siren >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 23, 2015, 11:01:40 PM
I remeber the days of taking Wadatsumi on using Godin and Amaterasu.

Terrible, slow days.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 23, 2015, 11:34:58 PM

Mailbox cap is fifty, isn't it? I probably shouldm't leave them in the box, since mine is starting to get full from orbs.


Apparently administrator mails (gifts, etc) have their own separate cap of 250, I think rdj once told me. The cap of 50 only applies to normal people mails.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 23, 2015, 11:44:50 PM
Well sheeeeeee-it, I have wasted so much of my box.

I mean, sort of. The mails aren't labeled, so finding anything you actually want is impossible, which sort of justified opening them.

But I'm not going to from now on. I'll just guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 12:56:58 AM
oh hey stalling works so well on wadatsum-

>siren hits me for 32.5k
>i have 32.2k HP

what now

is verdandi good at stalling can i just stall out UY and ohko everything else?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 24, 2015, 01:05:59 AM
is verdandi good at stalling can i just stall out UY and ohko everything else?

depends on team and ultimately heart skyfalls since well

u&y removes hearts every other turn.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 24, 2015, 01:07:19 AM
No, Verdandi isn't really that good at stalling. You could probably build that team, somehow, but it would be weird. Might be able to time out U&Y with Susano and either great combos and luck or a lot of heartmakers. Doesn't really sound that wise.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 01:19:18 AM
hmmm maybe verdandi but with an echidna thrown on for both RCV and for a panic button


i think this could work, but that said now im going to die to wada combo shield

seriously 6 combo shield with no time+ allowed?

this is why only lucifer was viable before
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 24, 2015, 01:26:54 AM
Do the math on whether or not Isis+Gabriel or Nut+Gabriel gives you enough HP to stall on Siren. I use Gabriel+Blodin to have enough HP to tank U&Y forever, but your damage should be higher than mine, so you can probably kill them before they turn green. Wadatsumi's combo shield doesn't really matter if you can tank him, since he orbchanges you into something useful almost every turn anyway. It's kind of like a better version of a no-recovery dungeon in terms of boosting your combo count.

At that point it's pretty much just a matter of making sure you don't accidentally hit him into his kill range, but a delay or a damage boost should handle that. And I guess making sure your hearts are in order to stall on Siren, but if your team is reasonably bulky you can just pop as many actives as you want on her and stall on Wadatsumi himself. It might be annoying, but it should work.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 01:32:24 AM
Wada's kill range hits for less than Siren :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 24, 2015, 01:32:34 AM
PDX reporting Super King Carnival tomorrow, and Takaoka Collab and Zaerog Infinity on Friday.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 24, 2015, 01:41:46 AM
I'M DONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

(http://i.imgur.com/8jQND4j.png)

...still need to do grizal though :persona:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 24, 2015, 01:43:47 AM
seriously 6 combo shield with no time+ allowed?

pretty sure it's only 5 combo bro
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 24, 2015, 01:47:38 AM
pretty sure it's only 5 combo bro

ya, you only need to do 5 combos not 6.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on September 24, 2015, 01:50:15 AM
I'M DONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

(http://i.imgur.com/8jQND4j.png)

...still need to do grizal though :persona:

holy shit
Congratulations  :toot:
amazing dedication
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 01:56:59 AM
:colonveeplusalpha: man when i go on tilt i just flip upside down and even basic reading comprehension goes out the window

Takaoka Collab
LORD UDON COMES
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 24, 2015, 01:59:10 AM
Wada's kill range hits for less than Siren :V

Fair enough, I guess I'm still thinking of Yamato Rush Wadatsumi. Even better then.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 02:16:54 AM
huh zaerog infinity doesn't look too hard?

I mean aside from the whole level system, the gimmicks dont look too bad

first form all you really have to do is combo well

second form you just bind heal and OHKO
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 24, 2015, 02:17:16 AM
AKarin's first of many Mythical conquests is GO!

(http://i.imgur.com/EMeBgVW.jpg)

As a result of that, she earned this all on her own!  (Well ok there was a team but you know what I meeeean!)

(http://i.imgur.com/n0ZfLDU.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 24, 2015, 02:24:58 AM

second form you just bind heal and OHKO

just use a buff on form 2 so you dont need to deal with bind
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 24, 2015, 02:56:24 AM
Yeah, I'm real interested to see the level up system in action. On paper I think my team doesn't care about it aaaaat aaaaall, but I could be way off. I don't usually follow JP stuff that closely so I don't actually know how it works or what the dungeons that use it are like.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 24, 2015, 03:11:26 AM
Yeah, I'm real interested to see the level up system in action. On paper I think my team doesn't care about it aaaaat aaaaall, but I could be way off. I don't usually follow JP stuff that closely so I don't actually know how it works or what the dungeons that use it are like.

Not sure if you want to learn more about it but the system's surprisingly simple, the only annoying thing is we don't know the exact EXP curves.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 24, 2015, 04:31:40 AM
I'm unsure how I'll handle it myself:

Lucifer: MS damage is going to vary wildly and I'll need something to deal with not only the super kings on wave 7, but HMD on wave 8 (so a poison and Tengu probably), but as far as I can tell I can't actually kill wave 10 Z8 with that setup since he'll just keep healing.
Minerva: If I have to pop Ronia at any point before HMD it's game over right there, I think. Worst case for that would be Bartholomew on 4 + Kenshin on 5 + nothing stallable on 6.
Athena: ...I'm actually unsure, maybe she could handle it. Her high cost means that she's not going to level up much, though, so the prongs may not be as strong as I'm expecting, and I probably can't afford to use Meimei on HMD either and would have to save it for wave 10.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 24, 2015, 05:40:37 AM
wow awoken kirin hits for x100 now

way to obsolete uvo uvo kirin
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 24, 2015, 05:44:28 AM
wow awoken kirin hits for x100 now

way to obsolete uvo uvo kirin

blame the whiners

I for one welcome our new meat bun stick overlords
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 24, 2015, 05:58:49 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/QOwOtAc.png)

Just let me put more Kirin in my Kirin.

Between unevolved, evolved, uvo, uvouvo, Awoken, and Santa, we can in fact make a mono-Kirin team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 24, 2015, 06:07:36 AM
Between unevolved, evolved, uvo, uvouvo, Awoken, and Santa, we can in fact make a mono-Kirin team.

You could already do that because Chibi Kirin is L/B
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on September 24, 2015, 08:59:18 AM
blame the whiners

I for one welcome our new meat bun stick overlords

I thought they're onions.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 24, 2015, 10:13:46 AM
They tweaked her again.

Dropped the light OE for bind recovery, and the multiplier scale was bumped to 6+ combo from 5+. Even more insane.

... I'm excited.

Edit: are we seriously getting another round of challenge dungeons before the current set is even over? Holy shit. And of course the badpy is the only impossible one for me to do argh :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 24, 2015, 10:51:27 AM
Sep 21 20:48:58 <Chirei>   aw fuck everything
Sep 21 20:49:02 <Chirei>   there's light cat dragon too
Sep 21 20:54:03 <Chirei>   I don't think i'll be alrauneing this one
Sep 21 20:54:09 <Chirei>   he's got titanic health too

Fuck you, me of three days ago, you're WEAK and I have BEATEN YOU, and then some.

(http://i.imgur.com/myCBAAz.png)(http://i.imgur.com/S9G371X.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 24, 2015, 12:24:08 PM
So Awokirin is healer, and a x100 lead now, but her leader skill doesn't specifically require any typings.

Still, in terms of donger-healers, we have LKali (also a near guaranteed x100 like Ra?), Valkyrie and Chibi Valk, Amaterasu with her 8cd haste, LZL doing... something.
Supergirl and Rei Sirius are cool options as well, since they give a free TPA and aren't as invasive to the board.

Sandalphon and Sun Quan are as influential as ever. Kushinadahime is a backup plan, as always.

If you're willing to roll with x50 instead, you can pair with Santa Kirin and get a chunky HP bonus and cover red at the same time.

I do like the idea of Sun Quan enhancing the -entire team- to hit x200 for two turns, contrasting with Ra who isn't Healer. But the necessity for two turns of x200 is rare...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 24, 2015, 12:30:41 PM
So Awokirin

Some people are jokingly(?) planning 2 of them with 4 liu bei subs. Covers all colors, and the change happens to be nonintrusive to activation.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 24, 2015, 12:37:43 PM
So Sakuya keeps getting buffs piled on buffs, huh? I haven't been following this that closely, so can anyone tell me if Verdandi's ultimate got revised from its initial functional-but-dull form?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mеа on September 24, 2015, 12:56:41 PM
Is

Summer Awilda
Summer Awilda
Summer Awilda
Blue flower dragon
Blonia

a good team to try make? I just got a blue flower dragon but not sure if it worth the effort to ult since it seems really annoying
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 01:10:08 PM
Is

Summer Awilda
Summer Awilda
Summer Awilda
Blue flower dragon
Blonia

a good team to try make? I just got a blue flower dragon but not sure if it worth the effort to ult since it seems really annoying
Put the marionette that turns everyone to water on that team and then you can actually clear Ultimate Arena :V


also lol x100 Kirin I knew it
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 24, 2015, 01:14:45 PM
Whaaaat the fuck, I know how farming Hera Rush works with Gabriel, so why did I just die on Hera-Ur? Two rows more than pushes her past Eternal Thirst range, to like an inconvenient degree, so why did it just leave her at 50.00001% HP?

Cheat codes. Game has cheat codes. Unacceptable. Maybe I somehow didn't complete two rows because I just woke up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 24, 2015, 01:33:44 PM
Okay so

How many dark -> heart makers are there that are Sakuya compatible but not Angelion or Lemon Dragon?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 01:44:31 PM
Okay so

How many dark -> heart makers are there that are Sakuya compatible but not Angelion or Lemon Dragon?
those are the only two lol

Saint Athena I guess works too
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 24, 2015, 01:46:17 PM
Havent finished looking and checking on my phone is a pain, but I do not see any light main options.  Have not looked at other Kirin-friendly elements.  There is probably a fairytale girl who qualifies.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 01:51:47 PM
Optimal Kirin team is probably like

Kali for fire
Chibi Valk for wood
Ilya for removing dark
And like another Kali or whatever

Then you have stupid amounts of TPA and just one hit everything

Other than that you might want a shield for DQHera preemptive so maybe Indra or Susanoo over Ilya or something
Maybe you want more time+ as well in which case uh awoken yomi?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 24, 2015, 01:58:38 PM
kindly suck a fat one, Wadatsumi

(http://i.imgur.com/TQYEOJe.png)

on another note

(http://i.imgur.com/jargAdM.png)

TFW you don't have Chibi Valk
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 24, 2015, 02:07:39 PM
Oh come on Gungho! Two challenge dungeons, 5x normals, a new descend, and latent Tamadra invades all at the same time? Christ, I better not waste a single point of stamina botching a Legend Plus ever again or I'll be really dropping the ball.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 02:11:49 PM
i tried verdandi

i died to floor 2

i cant do this

i'll do devil rush first fuck this
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 24, 2015, 02:26:54 PM
i tried verdandi

i died to floor 2

i cant do this

i'll do devil rush first fuck this

Well, good luck on Devil Rush then. I should be able to do Devil Rush extremely consistently with Ra but I keep dying in ways I don't even understand. And those are 100% my fault and cost 99 stamina.

I had a run last night where my Sun Quan active seemingly just vanished between floors. I must have used it on something, but I couldn't figure out what or why. I think I'm getting dumber.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 24, 2015, 02:38:46 PM
i tried verdandi

i died to floor 2

Chip to just above 50% then combo out of your mind; use a verd active if you have to since you gonna stall on U&Y anyways
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 24, 2015, 02:41:23 PM
those are the only two lol

Saint Athena I guess works too

wow how cruel gh

I think I may make a Sherospada as a Sakuya sub. He's insanely bulky and his active gives 5 turns of damage reduction AND 75% defense reduction

Not that Sakuya really needs that for fatty and such but still!

Or Indra, he works too. Hm.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on September 24, 2015, 03:02:30 PM
I  need to try Lemon Dragon on Kirin. I think he's pretty cool there honestly.

i tried verdandi

i died to floor 2

i cant do this

i'll do devil rush first fuck this

Idk how desperate you are  to beat Wadatsumi, but you have a decent Luci team. You have my team but with more levels.
A.Hera/Hera-Is/okuni/Grape Dragon
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
i went in with isis this time and then got a really good board vs u&y so i tried to burst...

i totally forgot about wood absorb how am i so stupid
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on September 24, 2015, 03:27:01 PM
But Hera-Is is an old dungeon. How does beating an old dungeon prove that a lead isn't oudated?
Note that I'm not saying she is or isn't, but regardless, that doesn't prove much.

It was mainly the "steamrolling a water dungeon with a fire-based team without huge multiplier" factor.

I know that many leaders now can do the same (looking at you A.Parvati....) but i still find it noteworthy.  :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 24, 2015, 03:47:55 PM
It was mainly the "steamrolling a water dungeon with a fire-based team without huge multiplier" factor.

I know that many leaders now can do the same (looking at you A.Parvati....) but i still find it noteworthy.  :derp:

Yeah, I understand that, but she could do that before. That doesn't indicate anything about how good she is or isn't now.

And I don't know your team, but isn't that usually "steamrolling a water dungeon with a dark team"?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 24, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
Yeah, I understand that, but she could do that before. That doesn't indicate anything about how good she is or isn't now.

And I don't know your team, but isn't that usually "steamrolling a water dungeon with a dark team"?
There do exist fire RSonia teams, and they can in fact do work!  If I were a better player I woulda beaten Batman Mythical with one, in fact.  (Yes it was with a friend Minerva, but a fire Sonia team is a fire Sonia team!)  I look forward to when I can make time to do my leveling I need to do to make mine more effective.  Gotta plus that RCV on some cards though, like poor Prometheus.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 24, 2015, 04:20:29 PM
Okay, okay, I beat Devil Rush. I'm competent, I swear! Now just gotta do Hera, which should be easy IN THEORY, and I'm gud.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 24, 2015, 04:51:35 PM
fuck fuck fuck I went into takeminakata by accident with the worst possible team

(http://i.imgur.com/B6bHuYM.jpg)

lol nm
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 05:27:52 PM
Awoken Kirin is out

100x for 10 combos confirmed

Her scaling is basically 25x for her 4 colors

Then 36 for 6 (same as LKali)
49 for 7
64 for 8
81 for 9
100 for 10
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 24, 2015, 05:38:52 PM
fuck fuck fuck I went into takeminakata by accident with the worst possible team

(http://i.imgur.com/B6bHuYM.jpg)

lol nm

I did something similar

Used catstet which is all green except for three fire sub-elements

It's a good thing takeminakata is a hilarious pushover!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 05:46:09 PM
new NA event

Latent Tama invades in Rushes oh boy

...I wish my team was more consistent :fail:

I guess Hera rush should be the easiest to farm as long as I'm not stupid

How do the rush invades work anyways? Is it time based or dungeon based like HP tamas in Hera etc.



NEVERMIND ONCE AGAIN I'VE PROVEN MY STUPIDITY THEY'LL BE IN NORMAL DUNGEONS TOO
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 24, 2015, 05:49:16 PM
I just wonder what the pattern for them will be since I'd only heard of them being in the number dragon technicals (for stats + autoheal) and 5x4 descend coin dungeons (for resists).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 06:04:19 PM
so I've been watching some Awoken Sakuya and one thing that stands out as a problem is a lack of time extends


Ra Dragon has two TE as well as DKali so it's easy to have an addition 5 seconds + Ra Dragon's active gives another 5 seconds giving you more time than a CTW to make your combo

Awoken Ra has less but still ends up with around 3 seconds plus his active for another 3

Awoken Sakuya with two Kali and like Chibi Valk + Ilya only has a measly 4 TE, and her active does not extend time at all. And you're trying to make 10 combos with her...


So she has the hardest leader skill and the least amount of time to work with. She might need Awoken Yomi or something as a sub...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 24, 2015, 06:06:32 PM
Awoken Kirin is out

100x for 10 combos confirmed

Her scaling is basically 25x for her 4 colors

Then 36 for 6 (same as LKali)
49 for 7
64 for 8
81 for 9
100 for 10

Ahahahahahaha she's basically LKali combined with Anubis and it's beautiful. Definitely gonna be another main, hands down :*

Edit: wait are we only getting tamas on the first three days of the event and that's it? :s
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 24, 2015, 06:19:07 PM
Quote
1.5x EXP Gain in Normal Dungeons at Various Timings (FIRST TIME!)

oh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on September 24, 2015, 06:48:21 PM
tbh Sakuya's multiplier is VERY respectable even at 7c.
If you TPA, 6~7c should be quite enough. If you lack 4 light orbs, then you'd do combos.
10c should be thought of as a bonus when you get skyfalls, like back then with using Kushinada imo.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 24, 2015, 07:48:49 PM
Hey Thaws/trance do you know anything about how latent tama invades appear in descends/rushes, need to know if it's gonna be like jewels or if it's time-based everywhere.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 25, 2015, 01:07:26 AM
wow super king rush is amazing

I'm drowning in super kings now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 25, 2015, 01:40:42 AM
Hey Thaws/trance do you know anything about how latent tama invades appear in descends/rushes, need to know if it's gonna be like jewels or if it's time-based everywhere.

Same as jewels. Also they do pre-emptive skill delay.

Anyways...

(http://i.imgur.com/NDVmBZM.png) (http://i.imgur.com/9LjzAHa.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 25, 2015, 04:04:33 AM
Alright, Hera Rush beaten. I don't know what the fuck happened on that run this morning, this dungeon is EZ with Gabriel. In just under the wire, that's every floor of Descend Challenge clear. I'm ready to blast through the first six floors of the next challenge tomorrow, then it's nothing but Latent Tamadra farming for me until the game makes me stop. Or I suppose until I'm capped out on certain Tamas. I don't really want the auto-recover ones at all, and I only want one of each element resist right now. Maybe two so I can pick a Verdandi sub to get a set as well as Sun Quan getting a set.

I don't love that Zhao Yun is one of the places the RCV one drops, since I need the most of those and hate that dungeon, but I suppose practicing it wouldn't hurt, and if the Tama appears on any floor except the first two it just makes the dungeon easier. And I would gladly drop a stone for one of those right now. Hopefully I can get that last elusive skillup on GZL too while I'm there.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 25, 2015, 05:51:01 AM
Awoken Sakuya's weapon which looked like a pair of giant onions stuck to the ends of a stick is actually a pair of these (http://image.digitalarchives.tw/ImageCache/00/46/6f/e8.jpg) stuck together similar to Darth Maul's light saber.

Those maces are pretty heavy, so she must have done some heavy lifting!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 25, 2015, 06:18:19 AM
well i mean she's 4 times stronger than she previously was

she can lift and dunk at the same time
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 25, 2015, 07:22:05 AM
There's a new Descended coming up, Surtr Descended.

Most likely he will be an evolution material for Awoken Freyr and maybe Awoken Loki (D/R).

His dungeon is All Attr. required
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 25, 2015, 08:26:55 AM
Edit: wait are we only getting tamas on the first three days of the event and that's it? :s

oh there was a reason for this

due to 50 million downloads we're getting a tama dungeon every day from 9/28 to 10/4 (7 tamas, 7 stones)-- thus a total of 10 tama and 7 stones.

and a "very special 50MM Downloads Godfest".
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 25, 2015, 11:21:20 AM
oh there was a reason for this

due to 50 million downloads we're getting a tama dungeon every day from 9/28 to 10/4 (7 tamas, 7 stones)-- thus a total of 10 tama and 7 stones.

and a "very special 50MM Downloads Godfest".

Apparently it's going to be the 4x GFE (trap?) fest that KR now has and JP had before.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 25, 2015, 11:53:56 AM
Apparently it's going to be the 4x GFE (trap?) fest that KR now has and JP had before.

JP's also getting a similar x2 pantheon x4 GFE fest for this upcoming.

Personally, it's a "trap" for me since I'm only doing GodFest for a chance to get 1 or more Ares, (or hell, any Greek 2.0 that isnt Hermes) but eh, more Rodin dupes is welcome :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 25, 2015, 12:25:22 PM
someone tell me why dubtopalits are so hard to get
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 25, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
Cleared on the first shot!

(http://i.imgur.com/Jm4ccl4.png) (http://i.imgur.com/prrYouQ.png)

EDIT: Descended Challenge 1 Full Alraune sweep with no dupes (http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/threads/challenge-clear-all-challenge-descends-with-the-same-lead.81493/page-3#post-1148769)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 25, 2015, 02:46:34 PM
http://www.thisisgame.com/pad/tboard/?board=21&n=588958

KR confirmed to get DC collab on monday
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 25, 2015, 02:47:40 PM
Question.
Why on earth would Lizzy not have a 100% drop rate in Mythical?
I don't care about Dizzy right now ugggghhhhh.

I might end up dropping Shynpy, though they're in competition with Supergirl, Amaterasu, and Kirin as well, right now...

Second question. Will we be getting surprise ults for Supergirl and Superman?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 25, 2015, 02:52:05 PM
Second question. Will we be getting surprise ults for Supergirl and Superman?

no or they'd be announced on KR or NA by now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 25, 2015, 03:03:20 PM
Oh nooooo DC collab coming back means I have to resist the temptation to blow all my stones not getting Superman! I guess I don't have that many stones, so maybe I'm safe.

It's weird, I'm the biggest DC fan by a mile in my household of people who work at comic book stores, but I'm the only one who didn't do any DC REM last time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 25, 2015, 03:04:42 PM
Oh nooooo DC collab coming back means I have to resist the temptation to blow all my stones not getting Superman! I guess I don't have that many stones, so maybe I'm safe.

It's weird, I'm the biggest DC fan by a mile in my household of people who work at comic book stores, but I'm the only one who didn't do any DC REM last time.

I wouldn't drop a single stone on the DC collab, tbh.  It doesn't look like we're getting a refresh, so no new ults and no updated dungeon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 25, 2015, 03:30:17 PM
Apparently it's going to be the 4x GFE (trap?) fest that KR now has and JP had before.

Well, I have decided I no longer really need anything at this very moment so I won't be rolling. I'm tired of trying so hard for Vishnu and such, and soon my Parv team will be taking a back seat for Yomi and Sakuya anyway, who I'm already all set to go with really. It's just that everything I want to use with Yomi needs a TON of work.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 25, 2015, 03:46:53 PM
Question.
Why on earth would Lizzy not have a 100% drop rate in Mythical?
I don't care about Dizzy right now ugggghhhhh.

I might end up dropping Shynpy, though they're in competition with Supergirl, Amaterasu, and Kirin as well, right now...

Second question. Will we be getting surprise ults for Supergirl and Superman?
Demoted to midbossssss, RIP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 25, 2015, 04:51:06 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SyKUnCo.jpg)
There's something really appealing about farming Twinlits so nonchalantly.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 25, 2015, 05:11:12 PM
I wouldn't drop a single stone on the DC collab, tbh.  It doesn't look like we're getting a refresh, so no new ults and no updated dungeon.

If you don't have a lot of the cards, DC rem is pretty great even with no ults.


...no ults is utter horseshit tho, Batrem is the worst collab rem by miles and they still gave -more- bat ults.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 25, 2015, 05:15:07 PM
They gave Bat more ults that don't really do anything for him :V :V

second big dog ult where?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 25, 2015, 05:17:14 PM
They gave Bat more ults that don't really do anything for him :V :V

4x lead with hp boost and great awakenings doesn't do anything? ???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 25, 2015, 05:27:49 PM
I thought he already had good awoken skills in his other ults?

The leader skill is the biggest change for sure, but who has Balanced/Machine dark teams yet?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 25, 2015, 05:33:48 PM
I found a D/R bats lead and ran him with a cobbled together team of a.kagu, blodin, pandora, persephone and did some pretty hilarious things with it.  It does need a lot of sub optimization, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 25, 2015, 05:41:30 PM
oh yeah i thought norns were supposed to be machines because they have mechanical parts around them but ult verd said nope :<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 25, 2015, 05:51:42 PM
Yeah, Verdandi's ultimate is a disappointment to me in a few ways. Still holdibg on to my spare for the immediate future with the hopes that a wave of whining similar to Sakuya's will get her a few tweaks, but that's not going to hapoen is it? Maybe she's way better in practice than she is on paper.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 25, 2015, 05:53:51 PM
I thought he already had good awoken skills in his other ults?

The leader skill is the biggest change for sure, but who has Balanced/Machine dark teams yet?

People don't run them based on type. They run them as dark teams and it seems to still generate impressive results.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 25, 2015, 07:32:06 PM
With that said, if I run a BATS MAN team I have an excellent use for the awesomely designed but extremely under-utilized Creuse.  And Gravis, for that matter.

... Man, I'm gonna have to skill those two up, that sounds pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 25, 2015, 08:16:54 PM
descend challenge cleared just in time for challenge

halp
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 25, 2015, 08:20:43 PM
No Tama invades yet a handful of runs into Kanetsugu. Anybody seen or heard of any yet?

descend challenge cleared just in time for challenge

halp

Don't even bother with the new challenge past a certain point. Not worth all the stamina when there's so much other stuff to do. And you even have Rankup Tama to grease the farm wheels.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Moogs Parfait on September 25, 2015, 08:54:16 PM
I got a HP Tama on Mythical when just clearing it for the stone, so it definitely does happen.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dr Rawr on September 25, 2015, 09:18:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/dpVzown.jpg)

seemed like a pretty good idea at the time
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 25, 2015, 09:27:52 PM
I got a HP Tama on Mythical when just clearing it for the stone, so it definitely does happen.

Kay cool. It's not that I didn't think it could happen, but a little reinforcement of the notion that these are in fact Chinese invade rarity would be nice. Not that I've seen anything to indicate otherwise.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 25, 2015, 10:19:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/dpVzown.jpg)

seemed like a pretty good idea at the time

Without any diversity you're gonna run out of wood orbs to convert super fast :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mеа on September 25, 2015, 11:04:50 PM
Looks like they changed beach Pandora's leader skill to the JP one, I was wondering why I was getting multipliers from tpas
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 25, 2015, 11:11:56 PM
Looks like they changed beach Pandora's leader skill to the JP one, I was wondering why I was getting multipliers from tpas
Yeah, all the Hero Gods got their LSs updated so they can hit for 2x on 4 orbs now, scaling up normally.  For those who run them it should help a LOT in orb conservation since 4x is enough for most trash mobs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 26, 2015, 12:11:20 AM
dammit the dungeons that the HP tama invade aren't easily farmable except for kane but i already wasted my stamina on garbagefriday dungeon

stone? y/n
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Moogs Parfait on September 26, 2015, 01:28:49 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/dpVzown.jpg)

seemed like a pretty good idea at the time

Oh god please friend me I'm 313,455,268

I want to run beach panda more often but it's hard
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 26, 2015, 02:10:37 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/fOBRJ0Il.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fOBRJ0I.jpg)

This dungeon probably wants more plusses out of me.

inb4 Chirei Alraune clear
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 26, 2015, 02:15:02 AM
Quote from: GungHo America Facebook
*Zaerog∞[Infinity] Descended!*

You reached for the stars?only to realize that the infinite blackness was there to consume you.

The stars and the blackness beyond belong to me, and only me.

(http://i.imgur.com/sbyo6ex.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Uhcmjkj.png) (http://i.imgur.com/pm8eVW7.png) (http://i.imgur.com/sfWQ5G9.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Gnbtckr.png) (http://i.imgur.com/nYjz4YR.png) (http://i.imgur.com/dLyTkrg.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 26, 2015, 02:18:03 AM
0/5 invades on kane so far
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 26, 2015, 02:55:22 AM
Aaaaaah fuck you Zaerog I just had a super king hang on with like 1% health and then I died. I can clear this, but I'm kind of mad at it.


0/5 invades on kane so far

0/4 so far for me.

Edit: Oh holy shit never mind, I didn't realize the super kings had so much more HP than usual. This dungeon is impossible for Gabriel until Beyzul gets buffed to have at least one skillboost or I get Andro. Ra it is I guess, and that might be painful.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 26, 2015, 03:13:32 AM
I FUCKING DID IT

FUCK YOU WADASUMI SUCK ON MY LITERAL NUTS
because i used nut to clear it :V

oh yeah also devil rush cleared on the first try although i did get pretty good boards and spawns


Man even with Nut though Wadatsumi was WAY HARDER than devil rush

I had to combo my ass off with no time extends just to barely deal any damage

Devil Rush was just like oh as long as I use my actives right and set up the board for big combos then everything just dies ez plus I can stall on both Corpse Dragon and Mesphisto


oh yeah and 0/7 invades

this is stupid
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 26, 2015, 03:46:34 AM
this is stupid

You think this is bad?

I went 1/50 of Ilia invades in 1 hour of Goemon Descended during event...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 26, 2015, 04:01:00 AM
Aaaah! AAAAAAAH!!  OH GOD! Doing Zaerog with Ra, and shit's getting real.

I misunderstood how his form transition works a little, so I fucked myself and got hit by Sacrifice even though I shouldn't have. But then I set up a perfect kill board, was ready to smash him to pieces, and somehow fucked it up and ended up off by one orb.

Now I have one last chance to kill him, my board has all my colors but is a total mess, and my hands are shaking and I don't know if I can put this combo together because my setup isn't great.

Honestly regardless of whether I win or lose this is super fun. I'm gonna take a break to assess the board and calm down. Will be back with the final results in a few.

(http://i.imgur.com/cuy3Oul.png)

Success!

That was really fun. The most fun I've had playing this game in a while. I would like to come back and finish it with Gabriel eventually, but I need either Andromeda or buffs for one of my things before that's plausible.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 26, 2015, 08:17:52 AM
Meanwhile I just decided to say fuck it and two-stoned it with Vishnu since Zaerog deals a bit too much damage even for my Horus team to handle (at least at those levels.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on September 26, 2015, 08:31:44 AM
The stars and the blackness beyond belong to me, and only me.

*Chirei's hax Alraune kicks Z8's ass into next week*

Holy shit Chirei.... i love Alraune's artwork but you are making her looks so badass it hurts! Did you manage to clear some Rush and/or some high lvl challenges with her too?

inb4 Chirei post screenshot of Yamato Challenge with Alraune and i throw my phone out the window
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 26, 2015, 12:20:07 PM
Holy shit Chirei.... i love Alraune's artwork but you are making her looks so badass it hurts! Did you manage to clear some Rush and/or some high lvl challenges with her too?

inb4 Chirei post screenshot of Yamato Challenge with Alraune and i throw my phone out the window

Go back a page or so, I beat the entirety of Descended Challenge with her yesterday as well. It was quite the stressful day >_<

No plans for Yamato Rush yet, still got that and Dragon Rush to go with her.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on September 26, 2015, 12:51:28 PM
Go back a page or so, I beat the entirety of Descended Challenge with her yesterday as well. It was quite the stressful day >_<

No plans for Yamato Rush yet, still got that and Dragon Rush to go with her.

i claim temporary amnesia due to being Too Awesome For Words

*epic facepalm of doom* This is what i get for posting just after waking up.... and i was even astounded by that full clear when i read about it yesterday  :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 26, 2015, 12:54:47 PM
Got a Latent invade of Beelzebub. Except... +ATK is probably the least useful of the latents unless you throw it on a triple donger or something.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 26, 2015, 01:22:34 PM
Got a Latent invade of Beelzebub. Except... +ATK is probably the least useful of the latents unless you throw it on a triple donger or something.

You think so? I would've thought Autoheal was the least useful by far. What do people use the Autoheal one for?

On paper the ATK one seems acceptable to me for rainbow teams especially since they tend to have large multipliers, which will multiply the bonus a lot of times, but they're not definitely going to one-shot everything. They could be options on white Kalis over the Time Extend boost, for example. Maybe the scaling doesn't actually work that way, but that makes sense to me in theory.

0/7 Kanetsugu and 0/2 Beelzebub invades so far. Still nothing statistically unlikely, but I'm not getting especially lucky.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 26, 2015, 01:27:53 PM
Got a Latent invade of Beelzebub. Except... +ATK is probably the least useful of the latents unless you throw it on a triple donger or something.

+RCV is actually

+ATK is the most popular of the status up latents by a landslide, common targets are tripledongers, Goemon, Shiva Dragon, other high-multiplier burst leads
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 26, 2015, 01:28:06 PM
You think so? I would've thought Autoheal was the least useful by far. What do people use the Autoheal one for?

On paper the ATK one seems acceptable to me for rainbow teams especially since they tend to have large multipliers, which will multiply the bonus a lot of times, but they're not definitely going to one-shot everything. They could be options on white Kalis over the Time Extend boost, for example. Maybe the scaling doesn't actually work that way, but that makes sense to me in theory.

IMO Resists >>> HP >= RCV > ATK >> TE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Autoheal
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 26, 2015, 02:08:43 PM
IMO Resists >>> HP >= RCV > ATK >> TE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Autoheal

That's consistent with my not-that-well-informed take on the situation.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 26, 2015, 02:40:58 PM
That's consistent with my not-that-well-informed take on the situation.

The thing is that our opinions are just opinions - I actually have no idea how much of an impact the 1% ATK has, but obviously with the stat latents you want to stack them on something that at least has above average of that stat to be amplified. RCV seems to scale the best out of them all, being 4% on top of being the highest weighted stat point for point out of the three. But depending on teams say, would you really need more rcv on a double gabe team that already has x4 RCV? I doubt it.

At the same time, 1% ATK against enemies that have millions of health at a time, I am not so sure about.

EDIT: Some random theoretical math I guess.

Let's say you have a mon with 2000 ATK, and you slap 5 +ATK Latents on it. That's +100 ATK, the equivalent of a +ATK Awakening. Let's also assume that said mon goes through an overall multiplier of x2000 at the time of final damage calculation after all the bells and whistles. You will get at most, if the enemy is weak to it, an additional 400K damage. I suppose this would be useful in some situations, but you'd have to know you're lacking that much damage, and I'm not actually sure how high multipliers go by the end of things, but I'm pretty sure things like ABastet can get that x2000 final mult. At the same time, if you're already hitting mods that high, do you really need the additional damage at that point?

Meanwhile, HP. In a less extreme case, let's assume everyone in your party has 3000 HP base. Five HP Latents give +7.5% HP, so +225 HP per card, for a total of +1650 HP. Assuming no HP mods at all, this is what you get. an extra 1650 HP is easily enough to survive extra things you otherwise wouldn't, but this'd require having them on the whole party as opposed to the above case. Said team at hyper would probably have somewhere in the order of 26000+ HP instead of 24000+, and it's probably personal preference if they just feel safer with the HP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 26, 2015, 02:44:08 PM
Got my TAMA this morning so I guess hyper AKarin is a thing.  Put my star if you want, mods; I'll put a pic up when I'm not at work since uploading pics to anywhere but FB is a non thing on my phone.

Just in time for me to possibly need a break from the game, ugh.  Yesterday was not a good day.   Tried ZInf because I'm an idiot, died like a dog to Nobunaga.  The big thing is how I spent like hundreds of stam on Takaoka with no luck S ranking despite it probably being one of the easiest SRanksim the game because :tricolor:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 26, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
5 HP latents also beats out having rainbow resist for cards that have over like I think 4k hp?

I know Ra dragon always wants them and it lets his team hit 30k HP despite having no HP multiplers
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 26, 2015, 06:14:21 PM
A friend and I math'd it out. The only time HP latents give a higher value than running full rainbow resist is if it's on Satan, Noah, or Gigas.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 26, 2015, 06:30:16 PM
wow i literally died to super king in zaerog because my finger slipped

like there was too much friction so my finger just bumpped off the phone

also 1.5x is limited time? welp i thought i could farm this more
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 26, 2015, 06:59:45 PM
hurr my phone lagged out when I was trying to combo against Zaerog.

Then I noticed the rain in the background.

A quick visit to the Options later, I solved it, but the damage couldn't be undone.

Dinkleberg.

That said, if I'm allowed to get past HMD without popping either Big Dog, I'm basically allowed the win as long as I don't fuck up the first Zaerog form.
I can pop Ariel and Valk against HMD, since:
Zaerog reduces cd to five max for Valk;
Killing Zaerog's first form will take three turns (2 remaining)
Zaerog will waste a turn removing a Big Dog buff (1 remaining)
Apocalypse. Ded. Get rekt.

Unless I don't actually need Big Dog to kill 6 million dark HP.
According to Endless Corridors, I should have no problem with that, even without level 99 mobs or Big Dog. (http://imgur.com/NSkQh1l)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 26, 2015, 08:04:24 PM
A friend and I math'd it out. The only time HP latents give a higher value than running full rainbow resist is if it's on Satan, Noah, or Gigas.

Or on a team with an HP modifier. Right? I guess someone would have to do the math on whether  HP up is worth it on certain amounts of base HP at certain modifiers. Is it worth it on Verdandi on a team with two Verdandi leads, for example?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 26, 2015, 08:49:37 PM
well this is case specific to Ra Dragon team since I crunched the numbers for him

5 HP tama is 353 HP on a Ra Dragon

For a latent resist tama to block that much damage it would be vs a 35300 damage attack, which is way over the team's max HP

So vs any hit less than 35300, HP is giving more overall survivability

The difference is slight but it's there

The bigger advantage to resists is you can stack them to tank bigger hits like DQ preemptive
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 27, 2015, 12:13:22 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/WtnyfPO.jpg)

Zaerog8 down

Isis still best girl


Floor 9 is by far the hardest

6 combo is already bad, but no actives on top of that is dumb because you can get orb trolled on top of failing your combo

I almost died because I had no water orbs during the second attack

But somehow I hit him to exactly 50% with just my sub atts
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 27, 2015, 03:03:50 AM
Still no Latent Tamadras after doing nothing but farming them today and doing quite a few runs yesterday. That's okay though, I assume I'm saving up my karma so I can get a bunch of the RCV one, which is the one I actually want.

Right Gungho? :D

RIGHT?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 27, 2015, 04:39:42 AM
Many thanks to the people in IRC who helped me through my combo incompetence.

(http://imgur.com/OYW3D7r.jpg)

It happened.
Big Dog versus Small Rog.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 27, 2015, 05:52:17 AM
well this is case specific to Ra Dragon team since I crunched the numbers for him

5 HP tama is 353 HP on a Ra Dragon

Ra Dragon with +99 HP and 5 HP total to around 6000 HP, which is pretty good. Some people who run Ra Dragon put the HP latents on Ra Dragon, resists on all the subs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 27, 2015, 07:52:10 AM
zoorog down

messed up five shivas punching him screencap thou
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 27, 2015, 08:39:34 AM
I demand that Alraune be put in her own section next to my ID on the front page with her name emblazoned in gold or something fancy.

(http://i.imgur.com/trZGinT.png) (http://i.imgur.com/UBZ4fLq.png) (http://i.imgur.com/2qaiHkY.png)

zoorog down

messed up five shivas punching him screencap thou

It's illegal to put that much punching in a screenshot anyway
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Yukarin on September 27, 2015, 11:45:05 AM
Dorakyura a friend of mine is going to add you.

She runs Neph, and I thought she might need a bit of help.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 27, 2015, 02:21:58 PM
I demand that Alraune be put in her own section next to my ID on the front page with her name emblazoned in gold or something fancy.

(http://i.imgur.com/trZGinT.png) (http://i.imgur.com/UBZ4fLq.png) (http://i.imgur.com/2qaiHkY.png)

It's illegal to put that much punching in a screenshot anyway
Quote
-My invade rate was 5/13 on Zhao Yun Mythical.
:matsuriscowl:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 27, 2015, 02:33:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/3UzbnKD.png)

Uh. Sure. Why not.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 27, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
:matsuriscowl:

you get that broom away from me son

EDIT: Obligatory

[03:08] <Chirei> "Pleased to meet you - TAMA!"
[03:11] <Chaore> you know i was about to joke about how you'd find them easily and be like 'guys it's not that bad' but
[03:11] <Chaore> seeing it actually happen...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 27, 2015, 04:05:30 PM
:matsuriscowl:

Yeah seconded. I'm 0/21 0/22 0/23 0/24 0/25 overall so far.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 27, 2015, 04:09:10 PM
Chirei stealin all the stat TAMAs, haha.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 27, 2015, 04:09:16 PM
chirei is clearly a witch

i say its lynching time >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 27, 2015, 04:11:22 PM
##vote chirei
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 27, 2015, 04:52:15 PM
chirei is clearly a witch

i say its lynching time >:D >:D >:D

(http://i.imgur.com/KLlBNSd.png)

Yo why does everyone think i'm a witch, I'm just a normal dood playing a video game

I call discrimination against doods
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 27, 2015, 07:36:06 PM
 The guy whose Big Dog I use sure knows how to celebrate our victories. (http://imgur.com/3ha0Ihv)

That couch, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 27, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
i died to challenge 4

this game is too hard

nerf every card and dungeon

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 27, 2015, 08:02:41 PM
The guy whose Big Dog I use sure knows how to celebrate our victories. (http://imgur.com/3ha0Ihv)

That couch, though.


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Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mеа on September 27, 2015, 08:53:30 PM
Woah I just beat that basic Hera descended challenge no problem with Kirin. I'm stunned, I thought my level was way lower than these. I guess I'll try some of the 50 stamina ones now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 27, 2015, 10:46:11 PM
All of this complete wasted, absolutely-zero-yield farming is starting to get really frustrating. No Tamadras, no skillups, no +eggs, nothing at all from anything. Aside from relatively meager experience gain I might as well just not have played for the last three days aside from those couple of Zaerog8 runs for all I have to show for it. And on top of that it's best for me to farm Zhao Yun with Ra, which is exhausting.

Although for the record, if I'm seeing this right I think I learned something new in the process of farming Zhao Yun. As far as I can tell, movetime modifiers are exclusive just like attack modifiers are. This is interesting though, because unlike attack modifiers enemies can give you movetime modifiers. This means that when Dragon Shogun reduces my movetime I can use Awoken Ra's active to not only get a time boost, but also erase the remaining moves of time penalty. Maybe this is common knowledge, but I never realized it and it's pretty handy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 27, 2015, 11:53:48 PM
Maybe this is common knowledge, but I never realized it and it's pretty handy.

We've known for a while, but it might've only been mentioned in IRC. It's one of the reasons I've stated Bastet's active is 'Not Really Useless at All' (TM).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 27, 2015, 11:55:17 PM
Bastet's active is in fact super useful on Bastet teams both for the time increase and for activating her own leader skill on a 5-turn cycle.

It remains almost completely pointless for the target-all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 28, 2015, 12:16:21 AM
Although for the record, if I'm seeing this right I think I learned something new in the process of farming Zhao Yun. As far as I can tell, movetime modifiers are exclusive just like attack modifiers are. This is interesting though, because unlike attack modifiers enemies can give you movetime modifiers. This means that when Dragon Shogun reduces my movetime I can use Awoken Ra's active to not only get a time boost, but also erase the remaining moves of time penalty. Maybe this is common knowledge, but I never realized it and it's pretty handy.

I remember stating this sometime ago here when I did Izanami for the first time with my Horus team, my main strategy was effectively putting DIza on a 2 turn delay by countering her orb movetime modifier with horus's, overwriting hers and forcing her to do it again next turn.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 28, 2015, 12:41:14 AM
okay challenge 1-8 cleared

funny enough i keep underestimating my own damage by hacking down the final bosses to 75% and then bursting, only to deal way over 100% anyways


challenge 9 doesn't look too bad...

if it weren't for the fact that half the dungeon is wood >___>


challenge 10 lol no thanks hera
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 28, 2015, 04:20:15 AM
I think I'm finally starting to get good at Ra. I've been farming Zhao Yun all day with him and haven't died once, which for me seems like an accomplishment since I've always had so much grief from that dungeon, even if maybe it doesn't seem like much to anyone else. I think I've gotten to the point that I can pretty much get an activation off of any board as long as it has all colors, and I can almost always get at least one two-prong in there as well. I'm still not great at cleaning up hearts while I'm doing that, or at maximizing my combos on unusable boards, but at this rate I'm confident I'll get there. So that's fun, personal progress is great even if the game won't allow me to make any statistical progress at all.

Edit: So I've done all I can do for today, and I gotta say, I'm awfully suspicious of the whole "Latent Tamadra invades are a real thing and are totally not made up" theory. I've farmed nonstop for days, I've stoned for stamina, and I've seen fucking zero out of 39 runs. I'm on to you, all of you devious Gungho plants, lying to me by saying this is a real thing so I'll spend stones to farm descends that I have no conceivable reason to go near otherwise.

I'm on to you. :o
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 28, 2015, 05:33:28 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CP90G9MUsAA7iR1.png)

This probably speaks for itself. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 28, 2015, 08:10:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/z9k1ChK.png)

kindly eat shit and die, Lv10
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 28, 2015, 09:05:17 AM
Holy shit Set got buff
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on September 28, 2015, 09:35:12 AM
LV 6 and 7 done.
Only needed 2 tries each, though the one fail on lv7 was DUMB. How the fuck do I get 3 dark skyfall in a row, against Sopdet...

And Set, HOLY SHIT, what have you done to him. Now I wonder what the other 2 will get.
The buff makes Set a valid AShiva sub.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Ghaleon on September 28, 2015, 10:48:54 AM
I haven't played this since twinlits were mega end game and... after doing them I quit (not cuz I was upset or cuz I thought the game sucked or because I did it all but...I have to quit frequently updating games when I reach its top or else sacrifice other games I know I want to play or like to keep myself updated.... my backlog is so effing big, I have to make arbitrary sacrifices qq). But lately I've been experimenting with MMD (mikumikudance) and was wondering how a game with characters and art so praised as PAD had so little PAD fan MMD models? I did some searches and all I could find was eco dumpty...

Is anyone better at P&D or MMD searching able to point me how to find said characters or anything that isn't obvious as someone who doesn't know Japanese googling tactics? Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 28, 2015, 12:55:57 PM
It's not worth my time to farm autoheal Tamas, and I can't be bothered to farm Kaguya, so I guess I have a few days to wrap up all of the new dungeons and maybe clear challenges ~7-9. That way I can get a bunch of stones to throw away on not getting more RCV Tamas when they're in an easy (though really a bit long to farm) dungeon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 28, 2015, 03:26:41 PM
The buff makes Set a valid AShiva sub.

fixt

I could see him in Horus now too, R/G is a hard color combo to fill, and while his active is shitty long, it's a heart break too. More obtainable than Red Valk too. Might be where he's seen the most since Kagu still has a few advantages over him.

I wonder if they'll make Freyr tri-row to compensate for the fact he'd override Set, actually. I'd be excited/sad about that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on September 28, 2015, 03:56:08 PM
So what happens when a player that can have only great or awful luck tries to S-rank a dungeon that is laughably easy if you get good skyfalls?

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-09-28-10-34-54_zpsupjuqhg3.png)

No middle ground  :V

1) Double B/G Karin, awesome skyfalls in every trash floor, literally ZERO skyfalls for 2 turns in a row in floor 5 causing me to waste turns pinging the shrimp, team rarity too high.....

2) Uh oh, all my Karin friends switched to A.Karin (which ironically is BAD for this dungeon), tried anyway adding a second mask to lower rarity..... skyfalls went on holiday, so despite oneshotting almost every floor (even floor 5 using Vamp to activate 12.25x) ---> lolnope

3) "F**k this shit".... A.Bastet friend and more masks..... skyfalls still on holiday (so back to shrimp-pinging) until Amberjack, buried under an hilarious 19-combo. FINALLY!

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 28, 2015, 04:20:27 PM
fixt

I could see him in Horus now too, R/G is a hard color combo to fill, and while his active is shitty long, it's a heart break too. More obtainable than Red Valk too. Might be where he's seen the most since Kagu still has a few advantages over him.

I wonder if they'll make Freyr tri-row to compensate for the fact he'd override Set, actually. I'd be excited/sad about that.

Well, Thor got it so it's not unlikely.

(This makes me hope Freyja gets the I&I treatment likewise so she can be a direct replacement of GZL <_<; )
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 28, 2015, 05:15:46 PM
Well, Thor got it so it's not unlikely.

(This makes me hope Freyja gets the I&I treatment likewise so she can be a direct replacement of GZL <_<; )

It isn't, admittedly! But that's partially I feel to differentiate/save kanna some face. It'd also be a bit weird for it to alternate within tri-color and l/d, I was expecting more tri-row loki and mixed freyja/freyr (mixed freyja is almost a given, green row is ailing hard).

I'm not sure what I'd like more really. Tri-row is fantastic because :row:, and if he gets a different ls etc. could lead to a fantastic return to grace for red row, but the mixed version would just be plain amazing as a sub.

Gungho'll probably do something silly I didn't guess instead though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 28, 2015, 06:05:59 PM
I have to wonder if they'll even get different LS or just stay uniform with the 2.5x boosts. That does kind of make Freyr and Ronia kinda redundant though...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 28, 2015, 06:36:19 PM
I have to wonder if they'll even get different LS or just stay uniform with the 2.5x boosts. That does kind of make Freyr and Ronia kinda redundant though...
A lot of Ronia teams are dark now though since they pair with beelz :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 28, 2015, 07:03:00 PM
I have to wonder if they'll even get different LS or just stay uniform with the 2.5x boosts. That does kind of make Freyr and Ronia kinda redundant though...

Let's just go the whole nine yards, 1.35x hp plizzzzzzz
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 28, 2015, 07:38:04 PM
A lot of Ronia teams are dark now though since they pair with beelz :V

Confirmed.  I retired Fire Ronia a long time ago; when I run Ronia these days it's Ronia/Beelzebub with Pandora/Lu Bu/Persephone/Asmodeus, with maybe another Ronia sub if I think I'll need the active.

Rolling around with 40k HP and a shitload of on-demand damage works well for most things, but I'm just having more fun with Bastet :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on September 28, 2015, 07:56:24 PM
It isn't, admittedly! But that's partially I feel to differentiate/save kanna some face. It'd also be a bit weird for it to alternate within tri-color and l/d, I was expecting more tri-row loki and mixed freyja/freyr (mixed freyja is almost a given, green row is ailing hard).

I'm not sure what I'd like more really. Tri-row is fantastic because :row:, and if he gets a different ls etc. could lead to a fantastic return to grace for red row, but the mixed version would just be plain amazing as a sub.

Gungho'll probably do something silly I didn't guess instead though.

Going by what we've seen so far, I think we'll see mixed Loki and Freyr with  triple row Freyja, since they  made the row heavy color one mixed and the row light one triple rows.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 28, 2015, 08:53:31 PM
oops i evolved a zeus to use as an evo mat and then i fed it to amaterasu by accident >__>

well getting another zeus is easy and there's gold dragons today at least but still <__<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 28, 2015, 09:43:23 PM
I dunno what to think of this commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqYUuQ3q8wA
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 28, 2015, 09:49:52 PM
Who pairs R/L Suzaku with Lu Bu?
I mean, Valkyrie Rose and Liu Bei make sense, but...

Edit: his partner changed to Isis in the middle of the commercial, then back to Lu Bu???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 28, 2015, 10:13:17 PM
The lack of any cameo from Antonio or Micheal is disappointing :V

From the video comments I'm guessing Antonio runs the youtube channel though :V


I also like how the whole team is likely hypermaxed (since it breaks 20k HP with those subs)

Maybe they used Mr. S' account for this :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on September 28, 2015, 10:45:42 PM
I'll just leave this here and go away for a few minutes.... what i'm about to say would likely get me banned  :X

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-09-28-23-29-10_zpskomgk5no.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 29, 2015, 12:25:04 AM
let's fight some cats

(http://i.imgur.com/Dja7uqy.png) (http://i.imgur.com/PhDp7KZ.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 29, 2015, 01:06:04 AM
Ah. The only cat I cannot (effectively) fight with Big Dog.

What a terrible life.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 29, 2015, 01:10:21 AM
Ah. The only cat I cannot (effectively) fight with Big Dog.

What a terrible life.

I think you can do it if you put your mind to it

BELIEVE IN DOG
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 29, 2015, 01:12:33 AM
I think you can do it if you use off-element cards and/or stack light orb changers
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 29, 2015, 01:46:52 AM
Motherfucker. (http://i.imgur.com/uGyVf1C.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 29, 2015, 01:57:09 AM
I imagine Fuu was hilarious for you to fight, haha.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 29, 2015, 01:58:26 AM
I dunno what to think of this commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqYUuQ3q8wA

as someone aptly said, the only redeeming thing about this commercial is colton haynes

and possibly granny valk fistbump explosion
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 29, 2015, 02:02:28 AM
I imagine Fuu was hilarious for you to fight, haha.

Remember, I can't take more than one hit from her else I die to the preemptive hit.

She converted 5 dark orbs, plus an Ariel active for a row and change. That combined with a huge combo did her in.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 29, 2015, 02:10:59 AM
Remember, I can't take more than one hit from her else I die to the preemptive hit.

She converted 5 dark orbs, plus an Ariel active for a row and change. That combined with a huge combo did her in.
Oh riiiiight, yeah that.  Nevermind then I suppose.  Either way, Big dog wins again which is all that matters!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 29, 2015, 02:19:34 AM
oh boy Hermes in the godfest

although at this point I need Indra more...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 29, 2015, 03:22:07 AM
oh boy Hermes in the godfest

although at this point I need Indra more...

I need Ares  in my godfest :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on September 29, 2015, 03:40:43 AM
It's about time I did this.
(https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B0k2U6aV60UXU1B2YmhwSG9XTXc)

(https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B0k2U6aV60UXYTNXLUZaamVEZ0U)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2015, 06:03:45 AM
as someone aptly said, the only redeeming thing about this commercial is colton haynes

and possibly granny valk fistbump explosion

i dunno, pasty nerd pizza flinging liu bei is pretty great too

it's dumb but hillarious dumb
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 29, 2015, 06:42:24 AM
D/B Oku and L/B Apollo are now active in EU

NA to follow soon I suppose

https://twitter.com/DaikeYamamoto/status/648772913982640128

Due to overwhelming demand and probably due to that super eclipse that happened a couple days ago, Yomi Dragon will gain an SBR. Rejoice!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 29, 2015, 09:18:47 AM
Welp I guess that makes my decision more solid
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 29, 2015, 01:44:18 PM
D/B Oku and L/B Apollo are now active in EU

NA to follow soon I suppose
Soon as in now.  If you've been waiting for em, get to switching!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 29, 2015, 02:57:40 PM
Well, it turns out I can farm Guya with Ra. So I guess that's what I'm doing today.

I kind of want to make a Kaguya team now...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on September 29, 2015, 04:29:14 PM
Guys, i've decided to build up on the sideline a team for clearing the "lovely" cost-restricted dungeons, that up until now i've avoided like the plague....
For now i'll focus on Draggie and Tengu, later Gaia and Xuanzang. The problem is that i have many possible teams and don't know which one i should build.

For Tengu i've read that Flame Chaser - Gigas - Ice Samurai Ogre - Echidna - King Bubblie - Flame Chaser is considered quite reliable.... is it true?

For Draggie i have these possible teams:

1) Sylph - 4 Super Shimonita Leek - Sylph
2) Vampire Lord - 4 Dub-Mythlit - Thanatos
3) Shaitan - Gigas - Gigas - Echidna - Flame Guardian - Shaitan
4) Darkseid - 4 Mad Love, Harley Quinn (or 3 + Gigas) - Darkseid
5) Asmodeus Another - R/B/G/W Chimeras - Asmodeus Another

I'm leaning toward Asmodeus simply because it should OHKO every floor.... main corcern is that if i cannot activate the LS i'm screwed with that HP.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on September 29, 2015, 04:30:35 PM
D/B Oku and L/B Apollo are now active in EU

NA to follow soon I suppose
Ares husbando ult when? :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 29, 2015, 05:35:47 PM
Ares husbando ult when? :ohdear:

Five days ago!

EDIT: :toot:

(http://i.imgur.com/dzSuR6Nl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/dzSuR6N.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/p7S0XVil.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/p7S0XVi.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 29, 2015, 06:26:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/dzSuR6Nl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/dzSuR6N.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/p7S0XVil.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/p7S0XVi.jpg)

Yeah, this Challenge 9 looked weirdly stall-friendly. I was going to try it today, but I'm going to waste my time not getting Tamadras in Kaguya instead I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 29, 2015, 07:22:24 PM
5/20(+3), since 3 runs were abandoned since I died and saw no invade.

Total cost was 5 stones, which really should have been three but I kept sucking at PAD and dying after I got invades. Still ultimately pleased and amused that this only cost me one pull at a godfest to do it.*

*Note: Requires Rank 500+ for large stamina bar

(http://i.imgur.com/mP341au.png) (http://i.imgur.com/IuGXDFQ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/gtsl5W2.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 29, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
5/20(+3), since 3 runs were abandoned since I died and saw no invade.

Total cost was 5 stones, which really should have been three but I kept sucking at PAD and dying after I got invades. Still ultimately pleased and amused that this only cost me one pull at a godfest to do it.*

*Note: Requires Rank 500+ for large stamina bar

...

...

I'm 0/45.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 29, 2015, 07:33:39 PM
...

I swear this is 100% not my fault, the tamadras just seem to be extra pleased to meet me
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2015, 09:27:45 PM
I swear this is 100% not my fault, the tamadras just seem to be extra pleased to meet me i just basically am a complete wizard robot that would make medibot blush

fixed
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on September 29, 2015, 09:42:25 PM
I swear this is 100% not my fault, the tamadras just seem to be extra pleased to meet me

Your Pii buddies must have given you good publicity. I should probably alt farm. I'm just emptying my stamina bar on Blue Pirate Dragon. No time to do anything that requires thought.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 29, 2015, 09:54:51 PM
So out of seven runs of Kaguya that I've done today with Ra, the board was only solvable on the first one. What are odds of a board not containing all colors in a no-hearts dungeon? I've been managing to squeak by with skyfalls or just large enough combos to kill without any multiplier (except the last run I did just now, on which I lost instantly), but seriously, I'm starting to feel like this game h-a-t-e-s me.

Am I just overestimating the likelihood of getting a Ra board on the first turn? Even getting all colors is no sure thing in a no-awakenings dungeon since it's distinctly possible to get a board with all colors that's just too scattered to solve in four seconds, but then I could at least pretend there was something I could have done.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on September 29, 2015, 10:23:51 PM
Damn star vault is still really good

same +egg rate per stam as x3 OoH but double the stam and half the floors per run means it's 4 times faster to do
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 29, 2015, 10:40:23 PM
Am I just overestimating the likelihood of getting a Ra board on the first turn? Even getting all colors is no sure thing in a no-awakenings dungeon since it's distinctly possible to get a board with all colors that's just too scattered to solve in four seconds, but then I could at least pretend there was something I could have done.

Why not just use Verdandi? I can usually just fire mass attack my way out even if the game decides I should have no wood orbs on turn one.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 29, 2015, 10:52:25 PM
Why not just use Verdandi? I can usually just fire mass attack my way out even if the game decides I should have no wood orbs on turn one.

I used to use Verdandi, but I don't like how inconsistent she is at dealing with floor three. It's not really possible to stall past seven turns by that point, which isn't enough for most actives on a Verdandi team (or at least mine). And if everything spawns on turn one, which it seems to pretty common, there's a decent chance you're fucked. Although I guess it's a tossup between being fucked on floor one virtually all of the time or being fucked on floor three some of the time with at least a chance an active can back you up.

Edit: I can't remember if I ever tried using Verdandi to run Kaguya with my Cu Chu replaced by Sasuke or not. Sasuke may not have been skilled up last time, so maybe he makes floor three 100% consistent. Mine still isn't skillmax, but he should be close enough. I'll probably try that later. Although not having the extra insurance against dud Verdandi actives is unfortunate.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 29, 2015, 10:57:54 PM
I used to use Verdandi, but I don't like how inconsistent she is at dealing with floor three. It's not really possible to stall past seven turns by that point, which isn't enough for most actives on a Verdandi team (or at least mine). And if everything spawns on turn one, which it seems to pretty common, there's a decent chance you're fucked. Although I guess it's a tossup between being fucked on floor one virtually all of the time or being fucked on floor three some of the time with at least a chance an active can back you up.

Edit: I can't remember if I ever tried using Verdandi to run Kaguya with my Cu Chu replaced by Sasuke or not. Sasuke may not have been skilled up last time, so maybe he makes floor three 100% consistent. Mine still isn't skillmax, but he should be close enough. I'll probably try that later. Although not having the extra insurance against dud Verdandi actives is unfortunate.

I just stall some turns on Horai. You can get up to six without taking any damage. Otherwise I just bruteforce combo everything.

I mean it worked 20/23 times so hey :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 29, 2015, 11:47:46 PM
I just stall some turns on Horai. You can get up to six without taking any damage. Otherwise I just bruteforce combo everything.

I mean it worked 20/23 times so hey :V

Well, not without taking ANY damage, since you take a surprisingly large chunk just from pre-emptives.

If I could more consistently stall eight turns on Horai I would, but I seem to always get skyfalls that knock him past half as I try to make the minimum one match a turn to get my skills up. Still, I should aim for that more I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Sapz on September 30, 2015, 12:09:09 AM
GFE Fest. Saved up stones + 300 days, so 6 rolls.

1. Diadem
2. Mori Motonari
3. Gadius
4. Ares
5. Maeda Keiji
6. Kanna

I think I just won the godfest???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Aoshi-shi on September 30, 2015, 01:00:37 AM
So I think Keeper of Gold is possible for me to clear at this point. I might have gotten it if my only fire combo didn't slip out of place.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 30, 2015, 01:01:30 AM
So I think Keeper of Gold is possible for me to clear at this point. I might have gotten it if my only fire combo didn't slip out of place.
Go go go, kick his shiny gold-plated butt!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 30, 2015, 01:45:51 AM
I think I just won the godfest???

actually we were playing 'don't get the dandy'

you lost as such
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 30, 2015, 01:53:53 AM
Well, it turns out I can farm Guya with Ra. So I guess that's what I'm doing today.

I kind of want to make a Kaguya team now...

dear god farming kaguya with ra sounds like a nightmare

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 30, 2015, 02:02:41 AM
Fucking christhammer, 47th try I FINALLY got a Tamadra. So many stones wasted...

And getting it cost me another stone because I stalled for eight turns on Horai (with Verdandi). Turns out that works great if you don't run into a Tamadra, but if you do it's instant death. So... Yeah. Tradeoff I guess.

dear god farming kaguya with ra sounds like a nightmare

As long as you can get past the first floor you're basically guaranteed to win since you can just about stall up all your skills on Horai. And most of the time I did get past the first floor.

Plus it's good practice, which is good.

Edit: Lol, immediate next run yielded another Tamadra. This is karma, I will expect one per run now for like... a while.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 30, 2015, 02:39:20 AM
http://pazusoku.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-6892.html surtr data leak

Surtr - Physical / Attacker - R/D
Awakenings: Skill Boost + TPA + Row
AS - Flaming Sea of Annihilation - Change all orbs to Red (30 -> 16)
LS - Phys type ATK and HP x2. When hit by damage, counter with some Fire damage.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on September 30, 2015, 05:16:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYPyiw9DxWA
Just cleared what is possibly the most anti-wood dungeon with A. Cat -- Challenge Dungeon 20 lv9 [No Awakenings]
4th battle is Megalodran with 5 turn green absorb
5th battle is Angelion with halved green damage
boss is Nordis, halved green damage and 8.5mil hp
I screwed up the last puzzle very badly but skyfalls allowed me to barely deal over 17mil to one-shot nordis! :D Delgado making up for the lack of TPAs lol!

(http://i.imgur.com/lMV0ApR.png)
No-stoned lv10 while I'm at it!
Another challenge sweeped by bastet :V
Been a while since I used Sun Quan. Orochi is infinitely better in everyway for the purpose of this dungeon but I don't have it ;;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 30, 2015, 08:23:00 AM
"Let's do a celebratory 'you got a job' treat yourself godfest."

(http://i.imgur.com/YGPxxxj.jpg)

I quit.

Dragonette (dupe)
Cao Cao (dupe)
Sharon (Fuck you. Dupe #... 8?)
Thuban (dupe)
Basilisk (dupe)
Ur-Chimera (dupe)
Leonis (o....kay? Not really sure when I'll ever use you.)
Ame no Uzume (dupe #4)
Ur-Chimera (oh my god are you serious)
Phact (okay this is decent I guess. Don't really need it though when I have Osiris?)
Fuma Kotaro (dupe)
Kano (last sticker girl I didn't have. Shame she's not relevant anymore)
Chrono Turtle (dupe)
Typhon (FINALLY an exclusive but it's a dupe and a pretty pointless one at that. His active really isn't good enough to use as a sub for himself, too unreliable)
Dragonette (dupe)

4x GFE 2x Pantheon my ass. No one will ever have worse luck than me here. This is proof that this game hates me and I should never spend a penny on a godfest ever again. I certainly don't want to.

I guess I'll keep Thuban for the sake of fire row system potential. Leonis... might be a potential ASaku sub? Too risky though. Phact is wood and wood is good, but he's still kinda pointless for me because Osiris. Kano sucks, but she's cute. Typhon is MP bullion. Will probably sell. Shit, I'd rather have a flampy or latents than all of these.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 30, 2015, 08:53:44 AM
I guess I'll keep Thuban for the sake of fire row system potential. Leonis... might be a potential ASaku sub? Too risky though. Phact is wood and wood is good, but he's still kinda pointless for me because Osiris. Kano sucks, but she's cute. Typhon is MP bullion. Will probably sell. Shit, I'd rather have a flampy or latents than all of these.

Well, if you sell Typhon, you get enough MP to buy a Flampy!

...I guess...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 30, 2015, 09:01:44 AM
Pretty much. Selling him will put me well past the 300k for a dragon but now I'm tempted to get shivadragon all the more because of Thuban #2. But that's a whole lot of flampy that I don't want to spend, either. Yomi Dragon is so far away. So I should resist to avoid temptation.

Edit: never mind, Thuban isn't god type. Shivadragon temptation fading.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on September 30, 2015, 10:38:42 AM
"Let's do a celebratory 'you got a job' treat yourself godfest."

(http://i.imgur.com/YGPxxxj.jpg)

I quit.

 :o I'll never, EVER, complain about my luck in a Godfest again!

Matsuri, my respect for you just raised a few notches.... in your place i'd have a scowl that could make a carving cry. (even if Cao Cao is one of my main targets today and i wouldn't mind Ame or Typhon  :V)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 30, 2015, 11:05:00 AM
Take 'em. Man, I wish trading was a thing.

Meanwhile, today's daily stone got me my final roll which got me...

A dupe green dragon swordsman.

13/16 dupes. :persona:

All I wanted was Mitsuhide, any of the dragon callers bar Satsuki since I already have her, Verdandi, or DKali. At 4x rates, you'd think...

Sigh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 30, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
All I wanted was Mitsuhide, any of the dragon callers bar Satsuki since I already have her, Verdandi, or DKali. At 4x rates, you'd think...

Sigh.

4 times shit is still shit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 30, 2015, 12:41:03 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ShbKeGi.png)
Ayyy I finally beat a cost restricted dungeon.

Thanks to Chaore and his Kiriko.

I only need two more.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Pesco on September 30, 2015, 12:54:02 PM
5 yoloroll

Dupe cao cao
Dupe urd
Satsuki
Sanada
Metatron
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Aoshi-shi on September 30, 2015, 01:15:53 PM
Beat Dios this morning so now I have most of the stuff to change Ceres over to her awaken form.

Pulled five times for the god fest:

DQXQ
Cinderella
Mitsuhide
Skuld
Typhon

:toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 30, 2015, 01:40:45 PM
The above results are more along the lines of what I was expecting. :v

Edit: I hate being left unsatisfied.

One more roll: LKali #2.

I'm okay with that. Can definitely use a second one of her.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 30, 2015, 01:45:49 PM
Beat Dios this morning so now I have most of the stuff to change Ceres over to her awaken form.

Pulled five times for the god fest:

DQXQ
Cinderella
Mitsuhide
Skuld
Typhon

:toot:

s c o o o o o l d
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 30, 2015, 01:56:34 PM
Yoloroll #1: Phact.

I hadn't picked up any of the new machine REM guys yet.  He seems like a pretty solid sub - certainly a hell of a lot better than most of the PADZ nonsense, anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on September 30, 2015, 02:12:26 PM
Yoloroll : FLAMED WING CYBERBEAST MARKAB

That's one heck of a name and I must have not been paying attention to what in the world this robopony is for and what roboplanet it came from.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 30, 2015, 02:16:35 PM
I'm bleeding stones like crazy this week anyway, so what's one roll for goofs gonna hurt?

-DQXQ

Rad. I can totally use that for something.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 30, 2015, 02:18:22 PM
GF results are Ganesha and Fire Cyber Dragon.

I'm gonna roll one more time when I can, but I don't really have hopes that I'll be getting anything significant (cough cough kali cough cough kaede)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 30, 2015, 02:19:07 PM
Roll #2: Another Verdandi.

Neato.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 30, 2015, 02:44:19 PM
YOLOROLL.
Got Rozuel. Does this count as a cleric for Yamato Takeru? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 30, 2015, 02:58:52 PM
I think I might have a legit-ass Sun Wukong team.

Maybe Wukong/Apollo/DQ/Shedar/Izanagi or Izanami (lol)/Wukong?

I've been hesitant to make a hero team, partly because I don't have a proper alignment of valkyries and ninjas to heroes and partly because Ra and my in-progress Krishna team already fill my "fragile mega-spike team" requirement, but I want an excuse to use all of this white row stuff I've been getting lately. But hopefully Wukong's decent HP and the surplus of mid-range orbchangers I've got now in those colors will cover up those weaknesses to some extent.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on September 30, 2015, 03:17:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86mRRMxCnQo

thank god surtr descended is easy to farm
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 30, 2015, 03:18:54 PM
Instead of Izanagi, have you considered Defoud? While 7 turns cd for a heartbreaker is rather high, it is still shorter than anything else on the team.

And I can think of a few places where being able to convert jammers would be immensely powerful or just plain useful.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 30, 2015, 03:48:12 PM
I'm bleeding stones like crazy this week anyway, so what's one roll for goofs gonna hurt?

-DQXQ

Rad. I can totally use that for something.
How many of us are gonna roll those two!?
Because of GFE rates I decided to roll and they popped out,  i am more than happy with that simce she'll boost my light healer abilities significantly.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on September 30, 2015, 03:51:03 PM
Hmm, no, I can't say I have considered him. When it comes to "farmable white heartbreaker with dubious awakenings" my first inclination would be to Rose, but I can see a lot of upsides to Defoud. Skilling him up would be annoying, but I hear silver Tamadra invades in numbered dragon dungeons are going to be a thing, so that might be its own excuse to farm his dungeon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 30, 2015, 03:55:33 PM
all these people rolling phact... smh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 30, 2015, 04:29:53 PM
I just noticed that Defoud might be an interesting ASaku sub due to sparkleboard awakenings, but his active might kind of be on the pointless side due to all of the jammer resist I'd have.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 30, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
Dumped the rest of my stones.  Total results:

-Phact (new, kinda neat - especially if I go full balanced on Catstet)
-Verdandi (dupe, but I suspect I can find a use for a second one)
-Sylph (welp)
-Ronia (#7 or something)
-Water Dragon Swordsman (welp)

Hooray?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on September 30, 2015, 04:40:04 PM
Just YOLOrolled an Archangel Metatron.

I think I'm okay with that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on September 30, 2015, 05:07:30 PM
i am more than happy with that simce she'll boost my light healer abilities significantly.

Just YOLOrolled an Archangel Metatron.

I think I'm okay with that.

Yes good join me in light healer fantasticness.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 30, 2015, 05:58:47 PM
Just YOLOrolled an Archangel Metatron.

I think I'm okay with that.

Congrats, you now have one of the most popular unbindable bind clearing cards in the game!

Other than some oddities(like the Memorial TAMADRA) I believe she is also the highest base RCV card in the game, to boot.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mеа on September 30, 2015, 06:50:37 PM
Just beat KoG finally, woot!
Contemplating whether to roll tomorrow or not. I can use an Athena for Kirin and a Persephone for Pandora, but at only 2x rates, I'm not sure it's worth it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on September 30, 2015, 07:56:08 PM
I'll be honest: i had great hopes for this Godfest. 4x exclusives + 3k (which i neeeeeeed) + new cool-looking pantheon + Greco-Roman 2 (i have only Artemis)....
I actually bought 60 stones (+ some i already had) and decided to split them between the 2 days.

For Day1..... i'm really satisfied!  :D

- Melon Dragon (dupe #1)  :V
- Set
- Phoenix Rider
- Rozuel
- Krishna (dupe #1)
- Red Riding Hood (dupe #1)
- Sumire
- Verdandi (dupe #1)
- Cao Cao

A.Shiva team is almost a reality (i already have 2 Kagu in my box  :D)

Come on game, x4 exclusives AND fire gala..... this is literally the BEST opportunity EVER to drop Urd! PLEEEEEEASEEEE!  :3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on September 30, 2015, 08:07:40 PM
I'll be honest: i had great hopes for this Godfest. 4x exclusives + 3k (which i neeeeeeed) + new cool-looking pantheon + Greco-Roman 2 (i have only Artemis)....
I actually bought 60 stones (+ some i already had) and decided to split them between the 2 days.

For Day1..... i'm really satisfied!  :D

- Melon Dragon (dupe #1)  :V
- Set
- Phoenix Rider
- Rozuel
- Krishna (dupe #1)
- Red Riding Hood (dupe #1)
- Sumire
- Verdandi (dupe #1)
- Cao Cao

A.Shiva team is almost a reality (i already have 2 Kagu in my box  :D)

Come on game, x4 exclusives AND fire gala..... this is literally the BEST opportunity EVER to drop Urd! PLEEEEEEASEEEE!  :3

Set is going to be such a legit sub once his uevo gets to NA :P
People are worried the 12cd might not work out well though. I guess it depends on your team and what you're trying to do.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on September 30, 2015, 08:14:11 PM
Awoken Freyr is probably gonna shit all over set as a sub, but we'll see :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on September 30, 2015, 08:20:51 PM
Awoken Freyr is probably gonna shit all over set as a sub, but we'll see :V

If they don't completely flip his awakenings over he should be getting rows, not tpa  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on September 30, 2015, 10:00:41 PM
If they don't completely flip his awakenings over he should be getting rows, not tpa  :V
Look at Shiva.  Nobody knows.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on September 30, 2015, 10:33:46 PM
If they don't completely flip his awakenings over he should be getting rows, not tpa  :V

I would really be expecting mixed- it's the best sub endgame for norse tbh (exception maybe thor, but tbh mixed thor would've still been plenty baller even if only for light attacker)

Which, yeah, kind of shits over set since their boosts don't stack and sets way too long as a orb change.

poor set, like 3 minutes of fame.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 30, 2015, 11:14:30 PM
Is it a bird?

Is it a plane?

No! It's...

(http://i.imgur.com/doDwIz2.png) (http://i.imgur.com/d48IkWY.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Moogs Parfait on October 01, 2015, 12:11:12 AM
Have you applied to be a guest on the twitch stream? 

LeiLeiLeiLeiLeilei
(http://i.imgur.com/Rga8jp5l.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 01, 2015, 12:15:21 AM
>Get Lei'd

lewd.jpg
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 01, 2015, 12:43:46 AM
That's a nice Lei.

IN other news, finally the last of the oldie Descends defeated.

(http://i.imgur.com/6GrEtaK.jpg)

Wood boss?  No problem.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 01, 2015, 12:47:55 AM
Have you applied to be a guest on the twitch stream? 

My chance of flying out to Cali is about as low as the chance of me getting a stream going on this internet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 01, 2015, 01:23:55 AM
There. Three copies of Dark Xuanzang acquired.

I can finally use uvo Chiyome again.

Except these red masks won't drop.  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 01, 2015, 01:49:17 AM
Have you applied to be a guest on the twitch stream? 

Even if any of us started streaming- it's unlikely we'd have a shot at being a guest at this point. I'd expect people like the kamcord folks in the end

antonio and michael will definitely not give equal priority and opportunity to something like this
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 01, 2015, 01:57:29 AM
Even if any of us started streaming- it's unlikely we'd have a shot at being a guest at this point. I'd expect people like the kamcord folks in the end

antonio and michael will definitely not give equal priority and opportunity to something like this

I've talked to tevvie and lukehouse and apparently they've been attempted to be recruited to go on kamcord already. Luke turned it down because he doesn't want to nix his twitch partnership, and I don't think tevvie streams or wants to start.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 01, 2015, 03:31:19 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/pNOwsL4.png)

holy fucking shit I won the jackpot
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 01, 2015, 04:17:28 AM
Godfest roll 3: Freyr.

OH NOW YOU COME AFTER I'M ALREADY DONE AND OVER WITH MY MONORED

gosh

maybe a.freyr will be good enough to put in a monored team idk
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on October 01, 2015, 04:54:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/pNOwsL4.png)

holy fucking shit I won the jackpot

godly rolls.


(http://i.imgur.com/B12tjHg.png)

>dark fes
>greek 2.0+norse

>Muse

wat

also 5th haku and all egypt 1.0s acquired. yay.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 01, 2015, 08:51:40 AM
Awoken Freyr is probably gonna shit all over set as a sub, but we'll see :V
If they don't completely flip his awakenings over he should be getting rows, not tpa  :V

*A.Freyr with 2 rows, 2 tpa, 2 SBR*

I hate you Edible.... i really do.  :derp:

*Notice that max skilled A.Freyr's AS is 12 turns*

Maybe not  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on October 01, 2015, 08:54:19 AM
1) dupe Set
2) SUMIRE :*
3) Sanada Yukimura

And this alt rotation has Polar Night Tower meaning I can work on water and dark stuff at the same time! Though after having exhausted my woodpy stock on AMeimei I'm not sure what I can use additional woodpy on. Delgado maybe? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 01, 2015, 09:15:59 AM
Awoken Freyr isn't God?

Isn't even Devil?

Meh. Good thing I pulled a dupe.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 01, 2015, 09:22:54 AM
"Round 2. FIGHT!"

- Tsubaki
- Ishida Mitsunari
- Dragon Rider (dupe #1)
- Ur-Chimera  :fail:
- Dark Metatron (dupe #1)
- Dark Metatron (SERIOUSLY?!?!)
- Dark Chester (dupe #1)
- Ares

Uhhh.... double KO? I got some really good drops and a bunch of MP  ::) but i missed the ones i was hoping for..... oh well, nothing new there  :V

Question: the 3rd D.Meta and dupe Dragon Rider will be sold for MP.... should i do the same for dupe Chester? Not much reason to keep 2 atm....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 01, 2015, 09:40:42 AM
No need for two Chesters, yeah.

Meanwhile ha ha best outcome for Freyr

Mixed awakenings and ultimate Urd sub! 

And they buffed all the awoken Norse a bit-damage boost on skill use now! Their actives also boost BOTH colors now too!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 01, 2015, 11:11:16 AM
Report of the week sofar:
- First drop of black cat was a DeviNyan, a sign maybe?
- Nope: sofar 0/7 on Neph skillups
- Last 5 runs didn't drop any DeviNyan
- Day 1 yolo: 5000 mp
- Day 2 yolo: DKali *wuhu*
- Gonna waste some stones on Hera-Sowilo today, some luck please  :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 01, 2015, 11:14:52 AM
Report of the week sofar:
- First drop of black cat was a DeviNyan, a sign maybe?
- Nope: sofar 0/7 on Neph skillups
- Last 5 runs didn't drop any DeviNyan

Welcome to hell.

Aside from this godfest, I consider skilling up Osiris my worst PAD experience that can't be attributed to me being new and naive and stupid with money.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 01, 2015, 11:58:31 AM
Aaaaaahhhhh Norse just keep getting better and better!

Even more hype for Freyja now holy crap.  Also I suddenly would be ok with a Freyr.

Did my second roll, got 5K Mp(dupe Shotel).  Ah well, even that is helpful since it pushes me closer to 10k for if I REALLY wanna buy a jewel, or I have 9k+ so I can buy some TAMAs if I want.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 01, 2015, 12:23:50 PM
Welcome to hell.

Aside from this godfest, I consider skilling up Osiris my worst PAD experience that can't be attributed to me being new and naive and stupid with money.

At least my Osiris got some Skillups, when green masks had the same skill. But I went 0/8 on the green cats.
Nephs number will skyrock on Sunday, when we get 2x droprate, and I use the 15 Stones I have.

9k+ so I can buy some TAMAs if I want.

But we get Tama Village today
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 01, 2015, 01:44:34 PM
Oh, I meant later, like days from now, haha.

Only gonna run it for the stone though; not enough stam to get two runs in anyway and the return is no better than Retreat for me from my one try at the coin version.

Started Lv 7 this morning, have to finish when I get back from work this evening, but I think I can do it.  At Medje right now.  I think thisll be my first time getting that far so it's exciting.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 01, 2015, 02:02:34 PM
HOLY SHIT AAAAAAAA

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 01, 2015, 02:36:00 PM
And they buffed all the awoken Norse a bit-damage boost on skill use now! Their actives also boost BOTH colors now too!

Decent LS buff.

Not so great AS buff. Should have made the CD not the same as a fucking Ronia AS. Sub-color attribute enhance is mostly negligible unless you're doing something like an Urd team with Awoken Freyr as a sub. Which isn't really going to be happening all that much given R/B orb changers are scarce.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 01, 2015, 03:15:26 PM
Rolled six times.

1) Gadius
2)Parvarti
3) markab
4) Dupe Sasuke
5) Dupe Dino Rider
6) Dupe Gamble mage

13k mp and some new toys, okay I guess.

Also hell yeah, mixed freyr confirmed, time to start plussing him because he's insanely good tbh

that sbr will go a long way to keeping 100% sbr at all times, and that active's fine even if the buff is mostly meaningless (will probably find some use for that eventually)

Awoken Freyr isn't God?

Isn't even Devil?

I'm more surprised about no Dragon. What the fuck is red physical.

I guess the subtypes don't really matter in the end though, tbh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 01, 2015, 03:32:06 PM
Racked up one final roll with the gift stones: Maeda Keiji  :)

Not sure how he should be used: LS is a mix between Okuni and DQXQ, Awakening are good but with no clear direction and the AS is situational.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 01, 2015, 03:42:11 PM
Gabriels are getting ready. Please wait warmly for best Gabriel.

(That means I'm actually getting silver Tamadras today. I will finish Gabriel today if it costs every stone I have.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 01, 2015, 03:54:16 PM
Gabriels are getting ready. Please wait warmly for best Gabriel.

(That means I'm actually getting silver Tamadras today. I will finish Gabriel today if it costs every stone I have.)
Godspeed! o7
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 01, 2015, 04:15:53 PM
Decided I'd give the game one more chance.

1. Basilisk #257422579
2. PHOENIX RIDER

OK satisfied
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 01, 2015, 04:17:00 PM
So I decided I don't treat myself enough and made today a science day.

The first four pulls as before were done in my school bathroom.

Had a friend pull once in class, it was a crappy silver.

Did four more pulls in my own bathroom at home.

These are the results minus the crappy silver.

(http://i.imgur.com/cNOa4Oe.png)

All odins acquired as Non-IAP  8)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 01, 2015, 04:20:16 PM
Gabriels are getting ready. Please wait warmly for best Gabriel.

(That means I'm actually getting silver Tamadras today. I will finish Gabriel today if it costs every stone I have.)

May the Force be with you, my friend.  ;)

On an unrelated note, i noticed something after checking Horus's new buff: i already have all the members for a SICK A.Horus team

A.Horus - Set/or Cao Cao/Dino Rider - A.Hino - Phoenix Rider -  Ares/L.Kali - A.Horus

Gotta farm fire exp  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Pesco on October 01, 2015, 05:02:06 PM
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Stupid cat beating other stupid cats
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 01, 2015, 05:08:50 PM
That looks like my bastet :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Pesco on October 01, 2015, 05:20:50 PM
It is your bastet
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 01, 2015, 06:47:10 PM
Actually now that I think of it, what's the value in running Phoenix Rider when I could just run DIzanami who has twice as much hp?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 01, 2015, 07:33:06 PM
Actually now that I think of it, what's the value in running Phoenix Rider when I could just run DIzanami who has twice as much hp?

Valen has two TPA and his ability lasts a turn longer, I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 01, 2015, 07:56:36 PM
Yeah, I think different types and colors with more offensive presence is plenty to justify having both cards. There are some teams where I just don't want a sub with no offensive awakenings.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 01, 2015, 09:18:20 PM
Awoken Freyr revealed aaaaaaaaaaaaaand it's not a dragon type. GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGreat. I guess I can still use him as a co-lead on a wangren/uriel team? Maybe? Certainly fixes the RCV deficit.

So that's what, 4 rows between freyr uriel and wangren? Plus 4 from rodin? I guess I can stick in Gigas and Echidna in the last two slots and call it a day, idk.

Or I can just forget the experiment entirely and just do Awoken Minerva as a lead.

Oh and... Awoken Horus buff? That's nice I guess? Gigas won't be sad about being on his team anymore... idk, doesn't seem all that necessary. I'll take it though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 01, 2015, 09:51:29 PM
Racked up one final roll with the gift stones: Maeda Keiji  :)

Not sure how he should be used: LS is a mix between Okuni and DQXQ, Awakening are good but with no clear direction and the AS is situational.....

Focus on combos mainly with colors playing a part for the boss/high damage rounds.

He has the highest damage potential of 6 combo minimum gods, and you can argue you'll hit his color requirement focusing on that, and his AS helps with 'bad boards'.

Find a Kali to put in your team and focus on incidental colors on l/subelement mons with maybe one dual non light, make prongs.


Personally though, I prefer '5k mp' methodology.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 01, 2015, 10:03:50 PM
I could see Maeda being viable.
Between himself, L/D Izanagi, L/B Izanami, and a green mob of your choice (Awoken Amaterasu, per say, for haste and bind clearing?) you have all the colors you need. Just go to town with TPAs and see what happens.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 01, 2015, 10:41:24 PM
bathroom pulls time

1. Leilan... great literally the one chinese girl i have no use for. Karin for Isis, Haku for Yomi, Meimei for full system, Kirin for OP, but nope it's Leilan
2. Dragon swordswhateverhesucks

I'm seriously still 1 card away from like any top team
Indra for Ra Dargon, Haku for Yomi, Bastet for... bastet

never lucky BabyRage


oh yeah horus buff is kind of interesting cause now you can actually do mono red-ish instead of being shitty Ra :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 01, 2015, 10:46:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/W8Oehrb.jpg)

First Lv 7 clear!  :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 01, 2015, 10:56:17 PM
I could see Maeda being viable.
Between himself, L/D Izanagi, L/B Izanami, and a green mob of your choice (Awoken Amaterasu, per say, for haste and bind clearing?) you have all the colors you need. Just go to town with TPAs and see what happens.

I did not mean to say Maeda isn't viable.

Mostly, that I do not like his face or him really, personal preference.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 01, 2015, 11:21:21 PM
oh shit Horus can use Phoenix Rider now

that's actually really good

now Isis buffs when Kappa
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 01, 2015, 11:52:26 PM
Actually now that I think of it, what's the value in running Phoenix Rider when I could just run DIzanami who has twice as much hp?

he actually has offense, mostly

and several times more RCV

Yeah, I think different types and colors with more offensive presence is plenty to justify having both cards. There are some teams where I just don't want a sub with no offensive awakenings.

Don't sell Diza short; she does have exactly 1 Dark OE, but that's it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 02, 2015, 12:45:47 AM
It's always been a hangup of mine, I guess. High RCV doesn't mean a damn thing to me if I can't take a hit, you know what I'm saying?

I'm sure he's got a good place somewhere, though-- I just feel DIza does his job much the same (and doesn't require flampy because god damn I'm never not going to have a shortage of those am I)

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 02, 2015, 01:23:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/KgdXLzz.png)

There. I did it. It's done. Five Tamadras over 43 runs of Hera-Sowilo. That's seven Tamadras out of 99 runs total. Cost me quite a few stones, not sure how many exactly, but roughly ten overall I think. I have the best Gabriel in the world. Now excuse me, I'm think I'm about to go blind from looking at PAD for so long.

Also, in the spirit of minmaxing my team as much as possible, I decided not to do one more godfest pull after all. I'll be doing my best to stockpile for another round of failed attempts to get Andromeda at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 02, 2015, 01:43:32 AM
It's always been a hangup of mine, I guess. High RCV doesn't mean a damn thing to me if I can't take a hit, you know what I'm saying?

High HP doesn't mean much either if you can't heal any of it back after a high hit. My Awoken Yomi team is crying because of sub 2k RCV

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I'm sure he's got a good place somewhere, though-- I just feel DIza does his job much the same (and doesn't require flampy because god damn I'm never not going to have a shortage of those am I)

he's basically better than diza on any red team >_> even Awoken Horus boosts him now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 02, 2015, 02:36:38 AM
Grinded one more roll for the godfest... Rozuel.

So uh, I now kind of have the perfect monored Horus team? I guess?

AHorus/Rozuel/Set/Gigas/???/AHorus
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 02, 2015, 03:34:59 AM
High HP doesn't mean much either if you can't heal any of it back after a high hit. My Awoken Yomi team is crying because of sub 2k RCV

It's easier to make up for low RCV than low HP though, imo. Heartmakers can cover a lot of ground in one shot.

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he's basically better than diza on any red team >_> even Awoken Horus boosts him now.

...who, as usual, I don't have. <_<

That said, I guess I have something solid going on should I ever decide to run Urd or something. Urd/Phoenix Rider/Awoken Freyr/Ame no Uzume/flex could be funtimes. Maybe a little too much utility and not enough firemaking though...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 02, 2015, 03:42:56 AM
BLONIA has joined the party!

She can hang out with all my other blue guys I don't use nearly enough ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 02, 2015, 04:03:43 AM
I no longer fear that 1 turn 30,000+ hit anymore.

(http://i.imgur.com/PwXauSw.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 02, 2015, 06:42:04 AM
http://pad.gungho.jp/member/ww5000m2.html

new descend next weekend; Hel Descended!

Probably for Awoken Loki

EDIT: no one probably cares about this but

(http://i.imgur.com/tI66keF.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 02, 2015, 09:12:10 AM
Hah I so called it with dark Norse descend and farmable resist latents last night
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 02, 2015, 09:24:15 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/VAjKQr1.png)

 :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 02, 2015, 09:48:45 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/KgdXLzz.png)
There. I did it. It's done. Five Tamadras over 43 runs of Hera-Sowilo. That's seven Tamadras out of 99 runs total. Cost me quite a few stones, not sure how many exactly, but roughly ten overall I think. I have the best Gabriel in the world. Now excuse me, I'm think I'm about to go blind from looking at PAD for so long.

Wow 43 runs, how did you keep up with that, I only did 17 and stopped there, because it got too late and had to go to bed.
Ok, I'm a dark user, so I had to tank 10 turns on Venus and another 5 turns on Hera, when I don't resist the Skillbind, which is stressful and I had to keep concentration up all the time...
Got 2 Tamas, though, not bad, since I only used 2 stones.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 02, 2015, 12:38:25 PM
Wow 43 runs, how did you keep up with that, I only did 17 and stopped there, because it got too late and had to go to bed.
Ok, I'm a dark user, so I had to tank 10 turns on Venus and another 5 turns on Hera, when I don't resist the Skillbind, which is stressful and I had to keep concentration up all the time...
Got 2 Tamas, though, not bad, since I only used 2 stones.

I used Verdandi/Perseus/Liu Bei/GZL/Susano/Verdandi. With that team the only potentially annoying parts are the combo shields on floors nine and ten (and I only had to deal with Hera's combo shield once out of all those runs, following two exceptionally bad Tuning Circles in a row).

And I ended a decent number of runs by just exiting the dungeon after not seeing any Tamadras by floor nine. I would have ranked up if I cleared it and still had a lot of stamina left, so I didn't even have to deal with those floors at all in those cases.

I aso started very early in the morning because I had to be up early for an appointment, and ended pretty late at night. So yeah, it was quite a grind.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on October 02, 2015, 12:50:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LHVWBFq.jpg)
The desire sensor is strong and it took a while to get that stupid ruby dublit but then :* :*

Took him along with the rest of my (applicable) Fire ladies and gentlemen that I have gotten since Ares was my top banana into Zhang Fei for a spin.

I had 15 Fire Row boosts.

It was probably one of the silliest things ever.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 02, 2015, 02:39:35 PM
Somehow getting an additional RCV invade while trying to get Cyclops to skill up Apollo last night off natural stamina, my total invade rate for this event has been 11/41. Not entirely sure if good, but given all the horrible rates I've seen other people get, along with the assumption that it's 15% for Mythical, I will say this is pretty good.

(http://i.imgur.com/LHVWBFq.jpg)

obscene
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 02, 2015, 02:45:02 PM
Somehow getting an additional RCV invade while trying to get Cyclops to skill up Apollo last night off natural stamina, my total invade rate for this event has been 11/41. Not entirely sure if good, but given all the horrible rates I've seen other people get, along with the assumption that it's 15% for Mythical, I will say this is pretty good.

Given that I'm at well over twice your runs and just over half the Tamadras, I think that's safe to assume.

All I can say is, if your runs aren't good, then that takes mine from "horrible" to "mega F- ultrahorrible". And I don't think I can handle that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 02, 2015, 02:47:57 PM
Given that I'm at well over twice your runs and just over half the Tamadras, I think that's safe to assume.

All I can say is, if your runs aren't good, then that takes mine from "horrible" to "mega F- ultrahorrible". And I don't think I can handle that.

I hope that this returns someday in the future with other lucrative descends, I hear it's discontinued in JP, and they now have to farm the big bad number dragons to get them. For some reason I found this a lot more enjoyable than farming jewels.

EDIT: the shit I will do to try and get a dub topalit

(http://i.imgur.com/V3P0hPJ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/o9eEFkE.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 02, 2015, 05:05:30 PM
fuck dub topalits

its the most needed yet hardest to get
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 02, 2015, 05:58:33 PM
As you once hilariously said Suikama, this game is like being trapped in a NTR doujin.....

Technical question: can i connect a JP account to the same Google account that i linked with NA? Would that allow me to eventually migrate both accounts in the likely chance i'll buy a new phone?

Speaking of JP, is there a way to know approximately when a collab would come back? I'm stalking the FF and DBZ REM collabs......
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 02, 2015, 06:21:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SDTnkmq.png)

But why would I need to field all of my +297s minus Byakko #1?

(http://i.imgur.com/4p0RHTn.jpg)

I needed four Zhou Yu, but he's the worst standard descend for me by far. One for Kirin, and each of my three Byakko...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 02, 2015, 09:45:39 PM
fuck dub topalits

its the most needed yet hardest to get

Not quite. Dub-emelits are the worst due to no places with guaranteed spawns. Rubylit and Sapphlit always spawn in seaway, topalit and amelit always spawn on Friday mythical.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 02, 2015, 09:50:36 PM
Not quite. Dub-emelits are the worst due to no places with guaranteed spawns. Rubylit and Sapphlit always spawn in seaway, topalit and amelit always spawn on Friday mythical.
Isn't floor 4 of regular fridays always tricolor dubs? ???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 02, 2015, 10:43:54 PM
Oh I guess it is :v

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Pesco on October 02, 2015, 11:12:32 PM
Guaranteed spawns when you don't need them
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 03, 2015, 02:56:38 AM
I hope that this returns someday in the future with other lucrative descends, I hear it's discontinued in JP, and they now have to farm the big bad number dragons to get them. For some reason I found this a lot more enjoyable than farming jewels.

It never happened in JP.  The only stat latents we get are number dragon invades. Granted we also have x20 plus egg rates simultaneously for them.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 03, 2015, 03:35:40 PM
oh today is hp tamas, maybe i should get a few

but you know i only have so much stamina-


(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-JxWVSfPGN9c/Vg_1PphUGII/AAAAAAAACuM/8WOLmAn9COI/w385-h684-no/15%2B-%2B1)
oh okay i could just get one in the first shot

(not pictured: being close to level and dying to defoud dungeon after)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 03, 2015, 04:05:27 PM
Oh, and it's GYP?  I might be able to get on that in that ca-

>Shiron dungeon is here

...well crap, this is going to suck horribly.  Is Expert or Master better for Shiron hunting?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 03, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
Oh, and it's GYP?  I might be able to get on that in that ca-

>Shiron dungeon is here

...well crap, this is going to suck horribly.  Is Expert or Master better for Shiron hunting?

expert, doubly so on drop boost
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 03, 2015, 06:53:37 PM
expert, doubly so on drop boost
Thought so, but thanks for confirming!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 03, 2015, 09:19:55 PM
Grrr... No Tamadras again, come on PAD, pay the fuck up. I'm at a 6% droprate right now. You owe me so many Tamadras.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 04, 2015, 04:13:45 AM
holy fucking shit blue fairies FINALLY
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 04, 2015, 06:10:45 AM
Grinding out DC Universe Collab to skillup my two chesters because why the fuck not right.

Oh look x2 drop rate! Oh look 4 Apocalypse drops!

Oh look, no skillups!

At least the first Chester is already 1 skillup short. The second though...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Sapz on October 04, 2015, 10:56:23 AM
Sharon skillmax, phew. Before the collab came back I was seriously considering using bubpys on her.

Also considering making a Takeru team; prospective lineup is Takeru, Ares (F/L), Gadius, Ronia, ALeilan. Thoughts? (yeah I know this team gets eaten by fire bind :V)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 04, 2015, 01:04:33 PM
Also considering making a Takeru team; prospective lineup is Takeru, Ares (F/L), Gadius, Ronia, ALeilan. Thoughts? (yeah I know this team gets eaten by fire bind :V)

R/B Ame-no-uzume will handle the fire binds if/when you are able to get her. It seems OK to me.

I occasionally run mixed leads with Takeru + Shiva Dragon for some dungeons to accommodate for skill boosts while throwing in UVO Goemon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 04, 2015, 04:34:25 PM
"Well I guess it's time to go ahead and farm some more Chester skillups."

"Oh, Sonia Gran is up? Well I might give that a try..."

/me  casually zero-stones Sonia Gran

"Vishnu OP."
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 04, 2015, 07:08:20 PM
Reminder to everyone that NA maintenance is tonight to reset the Present Egg Machine, so if you haven't used yours yet, do it soon!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 04, 2015, 10:37:09 PM
Speaking of Gran...New project to start.

Dunno when it will be done but there is something I decided I want to do now.

EDIT:  Not the project mentioned above, but after 2 stoning a clear because I was getting tired of the dungeon not clearing, I had no choice but to go back and clear it properly i.e. nostone because I felt empty from the stone-borne one.  So yeah, Sonia Gran nostoned!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 05, 2015, 02:28:52 AM
So many descends I can choose to farm up!

All 25 of them!

I am not touching Tengu!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on October 05, 2015, 03:21:49 AM
So many descends I can choose to farm up!

All 25 of them!

I am not touching Tengu!

(http://i.imgur.com/gspjpSj.jpg)
pls
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 05, 2015, 03:28:49 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/gspjpSj.jpg)
pls

I threw away my Ogres for pluses and I think I'll need them LOL

PICTURED: Me getting rekt

(http://i.imgur.com/sGC9ypt.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 05, 2015, 06:40:11 AM
EU has spoiled the surprise, our mystery challenger on the 9th is Jord.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 05, 2015, 06:56:44 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/9xLYP1h.png)

Sacrifices were made but VENGEANCE HAS BEEN DISHED OUT.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 05, 2015, 09:30:23 AM
EU has spoiled the surprise, our mystery challenger on the 9th is Jord.

huh

this whole bit is kinda weird, given they're not making a new mp shop rotation yet even- they could easily continue month rotations, but they're needlessly expediting things here apparently
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mеа on October 05, 2015, 10:25:11 AM
Woo, Hera-Is GET!
Another step closer to getting a more competent Kirin team together.
I know I've been playing a bit too much recently when I see someone's first name initialed as 'A. ' and the first thing I think of is Awoken *insert last name*.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 05, 2015, 12:01:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tRcICKx.png)

and that's the last legend descend I needed to complete.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 05, 2015, 12:53:59 PM
At least Jord is one I should be able to do! Nordis, not so much...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 05, 2015, 01:01:23 PM
Did NA get Indigo already and I missed it or something? PDX already has her dungeon fully translated.

Not Scarlet though, for some reason.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 05, 2015, 01:04:17 PM
huh

this whole bit is kinda weird, given they're not making a new mp shop rotation yet even- they could easily continue month rotations, but they're needlessly expediting things here apparently

The belief that NepDra is only on a two-week rotation still seems to hold for the dataminers, which is good because we got a lot of thirsty people over here wanting Ra/Yomi dragon anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 05, 2015, 01:06:36 PM
EU has spoiled the surprise, our mystery challenger on the 9th is Jord.

now already? We are progressing fast  :o

The belief that NepDra is only on a two-week rotation still seems to hold for the dataminers, which is good because we got a lot of thirsty people over here wanting Ra/Yomi dragon anyway.

I rather want Awoken Tsukuyomi  :V Can buy the 300k stuff anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 05, 2015, 01:14:35 PM
Jord's dungeon is mostly wood, with nothing (? unless I overlooked it) at all to hose fire. Really making me feel good about my decision to invest heavily in blue there, Gungho. Not that it matters too much, I think Gabe can do it (again unless I missed something), but it will be slow and painful.

Speaking of Jord, what do you guys think of her? On paper she seems like possibly the strongest farmable lead yet, but her stats, leader skill, typing, and awakenings all mesh strangely, so I'm not sure if she can actually do anything. And what is it with green getting farmable REM-tier double orbchange skills (her and that Buddha guy from the food collab)?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 05, 2015, 01:20:08 PM
Speaking of Jord, what do you guys think of her? On paper she seems like possibly the strongest farmable lead yet, but her stats, leader skill, typing, and awakenings all mesh strangely, so I'm not sure if she can actually do anything. And what is it with green getting farmable REM-tier double orbchange skills (her and that Buddha guy from the food collab)?

Hardly the strongest. She's formidable if you have Grodin, but that's about it, I think. I think Athena is still stronger, with more health to boot.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 05, 2015, 01:23:51 PM
Hardly the strongest. She's formidable if you have Grodin, but that's about it, I think. I think Athena is still stronger, with more health to boot.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Athena and Beelzebub since they're so much more developed than other farmable leads. Fair enough.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 05, 2015, 01:32:46 PM
coughZAEROGcough
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 05, 2015, 01:50:24 PM
coughZAEROGcough
He's his OWN category, haha.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 05, 2015, 02:24:22 PM
What kind of subs does he use? Is it just Rog/generic OP black shit/Rog, or does he go out of his way to play dragons? I've never actually seen anyone use him, since he's new and I don't follow JP meta closely.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 05, 2015, 02:33:04 PM
What kind of subs does he use? Is it just Rog/generic OP black shit/Rog, or does he go out of his way to play dragons? I've never actually seen anyone use him, since he's new and I don't follow JP meta closely.

I guess he is used as a Sub, most of the time.
I would say AHaku is a really good sub for him,
Maybe Typhon, Satsuki, Fagan (all Dark Dragon Types with TPA)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 05, 2015, 02:44:10 PM
What kind of subs does he use? Is it just Rog/generic OP black shit/Rog, or does he go out of his way to play dragons? I've never actually seen anyone use him, since he's new and I don't follow JP meta closely.

satsuki subs etc
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 05, 2015, 04:21:20 PM
The belief that NepDra is only on a two-week rotation still seems to hold for the dataminers, which is good because we got a lot of thirsty people over here wanting Ra/Yomi dragon anyway.

It is, but it's strange because we'll probably hit mp shop parity way before anything else at this rate, like, theoretical actual parity

which seems unwise/weird

i wonder if it's because jp sales of nepdra/odindra were low or something
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 05, 2015, 04:26:40 PM
Unrelated.
(http://i.imgur.com/3tdFCF3.jpg)
Hey Mephisto.

(http://i.imgur.com/MQ1bSNt.jpg)
Theurgia is useful, I swear.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 05, 2015, 05:12:33 PM
So I need some opinions on a thing I did.

I just need people to tell me how my speed/skill/etc were in this recording (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U802yoYF8M) so I know what to improve on. The video's about 33 minutes though, so you don't have to if you can't spare that much time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 05, 2015, 06:10:36 PM
The video looks like it's running on 2/3rds speed.  Is that normal?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 05, 2015, 06:36:42 PM
The video looks like it's running on 2/3rds speed.  Is that normal?

It's a result of me trying to link up my phone with Mobizen. It's a Galaxy S3 so a notably old model I think, I couldn't do anything about that.

Oddly enough, it used to actually be even laggier than that until I stopped making raw recordings with Mobizen and just used OBS to record the screen that Mobizen displays, so it puts most of the load on the PC.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 05, 2015, 06:45:12 PM
I think my advice would be to find a way to get smooth recording first and foremost, because that amount of delay is pretty hard to watch imo.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 05, 2015, 07:10:36 PM
+egg farming: 1.5x experience, 1x drops is better than 1x experience, 1.5x drops, right? I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be, but I am dumb.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 05, 2015, 07:26:49 PM
I think my advice would be to find a way to get smooth recording first and foremost, because that amount of delay is pretty hard to watch imo.

I'll consider it if I ever magically get a job and/or randomly stop being a broke college kid via other means so I can buy a new phone.

+egg farming: 1.5x experience, 1x drops is better than 1x experience, 1.5x drops, right? I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be, but I am dumb.

1.5x experience is better if you're low rank due to looping. That 1.5x drop translates as "1.5x more plus eggs per run on average", and doing more experience is basically making you use more stones per egg, which is a terrible deal since at high ranks, you probably aren't going to be looping, and if you're stoning, you're going to loop eventually anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 05, 2015, 07:35:19 PM
1.5x experience is better if you're low rank due to looping. That 1.5x drop translates as "1.5x more plus eggs per run on average", and doing more experience is basically making you use more stones per egg, which is a terrible deal since at high ranks, you probably aren't going to be looping, and if you're stoning, you're going to loop eventually anyway.

I am not spending stones at all. Just devoting all of my stamina for the immediate future to this. I should get a couple of extra rankups over a few days from the boosted experience dungeon. Assuming I plan on spending a few full stamina bars, even with no stones spent, won't I still get more from boosted experience?

How many days do I need to do this for before I actually reach 1.5x the number of runs? I guess I'll do the math myself later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 05, 2015, 07:43:30 PM
I am not spending stones at all. Just devoting all of my stamina for the immediate future to this. I should get a couple of extra rankups over a few days from the boosted experience dungeon. Assuming I plan on spending a few full stamina bars, even with no stones spent, won't I still get more from boosted experience?

How many days do I need to do this for before I actually reach 1.5x the number of runs? I guess I'll do the math myself later.

I don't know what you plan to farm or what your rank projections are like offhand, but keep in mind i'm talking from a perspective where I need over 600,000 EXP just to rank up once. Even if I dumped two full stamina bars (272) on running 1.5x king of the gods, I would probably not rank up. It's completely dependent on what you want to run.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 05, 2015, 08:01:29 PM
I need over 600,000 EXP just to rank up once

Holy s**t.... Looking at that exp bar filling up must be as funny as the world championship of grass-raising.....

Skilling up my 2 DQXQ was a bit weird this time around: getting Shiron to drop was soul-crushing but almost every one that did drop was a skill-up  :wat:

I ended up with XQ max-skilled and DQ missing just one  :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 05, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
I don't know what you plan to farm or what your rank projections are like offhand, but keep in mind i'm talking from a perspective where I need over 600,000 EXP just to rank up once. Even if I dumped two full stamina bars (272) on running 1.5x king of the gods, I would probably not rank up. It's completely dependent on what you want to run.

When I was thinking about this initially I was counting 1.5x experience as an equivalent decrease in stamina I guess, which is obviously wrong. But given that I need ~250k(?) experience to rank up, I think this still works out. I think. I'll figure it out later and post my findings. There should then be a formula for how long you need to farm where at what rank to reach parity, maybe I can figure that out too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 06, 2015, 02:10:39 AM
What kind of subs does he use? Is it just Rog/generic OP black shit/Rog, or does he go out of his way to play dragons? I've never actually seen anyone use him, since he's new and I don't follow JP meta closely.

i run satsuki/A.haku/diza/(cdk who I will replace with a 2nd Zaerog eventually)

I also believe Goemon is the strongest farmable farming leader in the game
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 06, 2015, 05:27:49 AM
All nonrushes in Devil Challenge clear with AKarin.  Now I can rest since I need a key component prepared before I try Devil Rush.  Pretty good haul all things considered!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 06, 2015, 05:33:08 AM
/me checks Devil rush and realizes he could probably do it with Vishnu on the one condition that Kraken doesn't spawn on wave 2.

GUESS WHO PROCEEDS TO SPAWN ON WAVE 2

._.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 06, 2015, 05:55:12 AM
/me checks Devil rush and realizes he could probably do it with Vishnu on the one condition that Kraken doesn't spawn on wave 2.

GUESS WHO PROCEEDS TO SPAWN ON WAVE 2

._.

Earth Dragon Swordswoman would be nice there...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 06, 2015, 06:00:52 AM
I actually thought the exact same thing, especially considering that there are no skillbinds for me to worry about so the loss of Leeza would mean effectively nothing.

Unfortunately, I do not own an Earth Dragon Swordsman ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mеа on October 06, 2015, 06:13:00 AM
What do I do with multiple Hera-Is's? Can I feed them for skill ups?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 06, 2015, 07:51:23 AM

Unfortunately, I do not own an Earth Dragon Swordsman ;_;

I got my first Earth Dragon Swordsman in the last godfest myself :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 06, 2015, 08:15:20 AM
It's a result of me trying to link up my phone with Mobizen. It's a Galaxy S3 so a notably old model I think, I couldn't do anything about that.

Oddly enough, it used to actually be even laggier than that until I stopped making raw recordings with Mobizen and just used OBS to record the screen that Mobizen displays, so it puts most of the load on the PC.

You have a Galaxy, so maybe you can use this. http://www.mirrorop.com/product_Galaxy_Sender.html
Not sure how fast it actually is, but with the Windows Receiver, you can do the same as Mobizen does.
http://www.mirrorop.com/receivers/

Though the Galaxy Sender is "made" for Samsung Galaxy devices. It is not screencaptureing the screen, like Mobizen, but has direct access to the GPU.
Oh wait, never mind, it is not free, if you use Windows Receiver...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 06, 2015, 11:58:04 AM
Man, AKarin should be illegal sometimes wow.

Completely stomps all over Beorc without breaking a sweat.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 06, 2015, 01:13:43 PM
/me checks Devil rush and realizes he could probably do it with Vishnu on the one condition that Kraken doesn't spawn on wave 2.

GUESS WHO PROCEEDS TO SPAWN ON WAVE 2

._.


Yeah, get used to that. Kraken significantly hinders my Ra team and even just straight-up beats it if everything goes completely wrong, and he spawns A LOT. I've never even seen Vampire on that floor of of ~a dozen runs, and everuthing else just has one or two appearances.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 06, 2015, 01:15:37 PM
My padherder has been updated after like a few months of not updating it.

I will continuously add teams to my PadHerder account to assist in provide team ideas.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 06, 2015, 01:20:35 PM
Try number 2, fail murdering Dragon Zombie by a sliver but he binds Liu Bei so I get an extra turn.

Wave 2 spawns cerberus instead of kraken, I eat one hit to help Liu Bei's bind along then pop leeza to murder him.

Wave 3 is mephisto, I take a hit from him to finish up with Liu Bei's Bind and he hits me back, no biggie, I deal some more damage and heal back up, unfortunately skyfalls turn a 3 green match into a 3 green match + 1 green TPA, enough damage to put Mephisto below 75% health. Blasphemy wrecks me. I dide.

The idea after that was use Liu Bei to have enough orbs to burst Satan down before he brings the end of the world on my head, then just use Meimei to counter Beelzebae's preemptive and probably combo it with any other orb changer + GZL for what is probably a pretty easy 5 million damage. Unfortunately skyfalls wrecked me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 06, 2015, 02:04:26 PM
You have a Galaxy, so maybe you can use this. http://www.mirrorop.com/product_Galaxy_Sender.html
Not sure how fast it actually is, but with the Windows Receiver, you can do the same as Mobizen does.
http://www.mirrorop.com/receivers/

Though the Galaxy Sender is "made" for Samsung Galaxy devices. It is not screencaptureing the screen, like Mobizen, but has direct access to the GPU.
Oh wait, never mind, it is not free, if you use Windows Receiver...

I think the only way for me to ever consider making videos again is to get more money. I appreciate the research though, it's more productive than most of the other responses I've gotten regarding this.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 06, 2015, 03:42:05 PM
I think the only way for me to ever consider making videos again is to get more money. I appreciate the research though, it's more productive than most of the other responses I've gotten regarding this.

Well, you can use the trial version for 5 minutes and you have to reestablish the connection after the 5 minutes  :wat:
A license for Mirrorop costs 10$...

I can't use MirrorOp Sender on my Tablet, for some reason (even though it is a Samsung Galaxy Tab), maybe now, with updated OS (not version6 :3), I can try again and see how good it is.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 06, 2015, 04:17:40 PM
Devil challenge complete.  I'm rolling in snowglobe dragons after that and the present reset.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 06, 2015, 07:10:57 PM
And here I only got light/dark plus egg fodder.

At least gimme the cute bean dragons :|
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on October 06, 2015, 08:29:11 PM
Pterados/D'Spinas uvos where :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 07, 2015, 12:30:19 AM
I'm getting around to hypermaxing my Kalis finally, and the difference in damage between the +60 ATK one and the +0 ATK one is horrifying. Probably should have gotten around to feeding +s into them earlier, but then again they pretty much just slay things completely regardless anyway, so the HP and RCV probably matter more. And I suppose this will be handy for situations where I can't get up prongs and/or Ra's active, or for stuff like breaking through damage reduction.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 07, 2015, 11:35:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/u5rTQJp.jpg)

First try on devil rush, after countless tries in the past thinking I wouldn't be able to do it with her.

Parvati strong. I'm sorry I doubted you.

Gimme them snow globes.

Edit:
Awoken Hel
Devil / Dragon
Active: Randomly change Fire and Water to Heal and Poison orbs. Increase Poison orb skyfall chance by a little for 3 turns.
LS: 2x ATK/RCV to Dark attributes cards. 3.5x ATK after matching 6+ connected Poison orbs


??????????????

wtf u smokin gh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 07, 2015, 12:11:22 PM
Awoken Hel
Devil / Dragon
Active: Randomly change Fire and Water to Heal and Poison orbs. Increase Poison orb skyfall chance by a little for 3 turns.
LS: 2x ATK/RCV to Dark attributes cards. 3.5x ATK after matching 6+ connected Poison orbs


??????????????

wtf u smokin gh

Well, she is a x49 farmable lead, there had to be a way to make it interesting and/or challenging to actually achieve.

She's interesting. For once a lead that benefits entirely from Poison orbs, and her LS gives you a chance to actually not die using it (x4 RCV). Awoken Haku would be one of her best board-changers for instance.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 07, 2015, 01:03:45 PM
Hm. I guess I get that much.

And here I was just thinking "oh finally a farmable dark heartmaker compatible with Typhon" (and Satsuki could clean up the poison)

Come to think of it, her stats are pretty nice, too...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 07, 2015, 01:15:03 PM


Edit:
Awoken Hel
Devil / Dragon
Active: Randomly change Fire and Water to Heal and Poison orbs. Increase Poison orb skyfall chance by a little for 3 turns.
LS: 2x ATK/RCV to Dark attributes cards. 3.5x ATK after matching 6+ connected Poison orbs


??????????????

wtf u smokin gh

This would have been great earlier in the game's life cycle.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 07, 2015, 01:49:58 PM
Recorded 2 videos!

Quick Legendary Mountain Path clear (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQwmv_heRFw)

Quick Legendary Skyway clear (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVYzsach4p0)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 07, 2015, 01:52:08 PM
poison meta incoming
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 07, 2015, 02:00:02 PM
Wow, I kind of like Hel. She's at least an interesting design, and at best maybe a little good kind of. And she gives Dragon Shogun a very, very slightly bigger niche, and he's cool. And she looks cool. Really held back "only" by her barely-passable awakenings and weird mechanics.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 07, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
I wish hel's awakenings meant something for the future so i could say 'awoken loki triple prong hype' but admittedly they really don't

but

triple prong healer loki fuking hype son
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 07, 2015, 02:42:04 PM
Seeing Hel, I just came.  :D

Finally some use for my Dragon Shogun  :derp:

Hel, Nephthys, AHaku, DragonShogun, DIza, Hel
What do you think?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 07, 2015, 03:41:37 PM
Hel looks like a neat as heck card, not gonna lie!  Bosses that spawn poison normally suddenly find themselves in a world of pain.  Doesnt mean as much for fullboards since youll die, but it's real neat and you normally just boardswap em or cpnvert em anyway. 
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 07, 2015, 03:57:50 PM
Hel looks like a neat as heck card, not gonna lie!  Bosses that spawn poison normally suddenly find themselves in a world of pain.  Doesnt mean as much for fullboards since youll die, but it's real neat and you normally just boardswap em or cpnvert em anyway.

With 4x recovery I think you could get away with it if you spawned in a row of hearts and a black row so you'd actually be doing damage. Or do all rows now get created in the same place? I forget. And not that that's probably worth doing, but you could.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 07, 2015, 04:39:34 PM
Note to self: do not enter sorceress mythical with Awoken Ceres by accident

Bad things happen
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 07, 2015, 06:25:27 PM
grumble grumble blue masks lmeta skillups grumble
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on October 07, 2015, 07:12:56 PM
> LMeta skillups that do not require evolving

LET ME SING FOR YOU THE SONG OF MY PEOPLE

♪ FUCK CHASERS ♪
♪ YOU ARE THE WORST ♪
♪ RIVALED ONLY BY SPACE INVADER OCTOPI ♪
♪ doot doot doot ♪

edit: meanwhile someone please remind me to stop trying to LKali dungeons before 10am it always fails miserably.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 07, 2015, 07:38:26 PM
edit: meanwhile someone please remind me to stop trying to LKali dungeons before 10am it always fails miserably.

You should have seen me try to do Devil Rush with Ra this morning. I died on the first floor, even after a Kali active. It was sad.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on October 07, 2015, 08:41:49 PM
> LMeta skillups that do not require evolving

LET ME SING FOR YOU THE SONG OF MY PEOPLE

♪ FUCK CHASERS ♪
♪ YOU ARE THE WORST ♪
♪ RIVALED ONLY BY SPACE INVADER OCTOPI ♪
♪ doot doot doot ♪

edit: meanwhile someone please remind me to stop trying to LKali dungeons before 10am it always fails miserably.

I'm not awakening my Chinese because I don't want to lose all the skill ups I got doing that.  Once you awaken them, if you decide you want to ult back for whatever reason, you card will start over at skill level one, regardless of what its skill level was before you awakened it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 07, 2015, 09:15:11 PM
grumble grumble blue masks lmeta skillups grumble

(http://i.imgur.com/KdaI5Pf.png)
:toot:
0/5 skillups

Dora's bizarre adventure:
- way over 100 runs
- 9 lost stones
- 26 kitty drops
- 5 skillups
- one Asterisk

(http://i.imgur.com/rUuvd4c.png)
(I bought her the missing latents as well. She did well, she earned it :) )
Also, I saw 11 Sukibowl, ~10% appearance chance seems ok. It was annoying non the less.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on October 07, 2015, 09:50:22 PM

Dora's bizarre adventure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QyMXAu-kt0

Is there any reason to skill up a 2nd Metatron?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on October 07, 2015, 09:59:59 PM
I'm not doing it, my dupe can become ~*~Awoken Metatron~*~ so I don't flush all that chaser bullshit down the drain.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 07, 2015, 10:40:12 PM
Oh god I keep dying on Devil Rush to nothing but my own basic inability to perform combos what the fuck. Awoken Ra is a tool, but he is also an obligation and I am not living up to that obligation right now.

Also 2/2 Krakens on floor two today.

Edit: Okay, I beat it on the fourth try, right before I started to rage-stone. So much +egg farming stamina gone, but I had my honor to defend. And, uh, I think I failed. Oh well, snow globes are snow globes, even if they cost me a ton of +eggs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 08, 2015, 02:21:40 AM
Just spent most of my (20k) Monster Points buying blue masks to skillup LMeta. She went from 0 skillups to max skilled so worth.

(I mean, it's not like I'll ever actually get anything relevant from the MP shop so w/e.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 08, 2015, 02:32:49 AM
gronia and blonia got buffed 1+ years too late.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 08, 2015, 03:51:28 AM
oh

saria's active skill is objectively a better version of kiriko

well
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 08, 2015, 04:24:44 AM
oh

saria's active skill is objectively a better version of kiriko

well

it's a thing

it matters most for ilum atleast, but i'm kinda salted at that

sb4 when
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on October 08, 2015, 12:08:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/r8d7rB7.png)
FINALLY

Next up...  LKali?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Pesco on October 08, 2015, 01:10:06 PM
grumble grumble blue masks lmeta skillups grumble

Finally a use for those blue masks that plague me when all i need are like 10 green masks
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 08, 2015, 05:50:35 PM
So I see that Awoken Susano is coming out soon. Are we not getting Descend Carnival? Did we get it already and I missed it? Did it come out after he did in JP?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mеа on October 08, 2015, 06:41:07 PM
Omg! I suck so bad, I'm dying on F1 on Athena because I keep screwing up matches! But I need youuuuu
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 08, 2015, 06:44:05 PM
So I see that Awoken Susano is coming out soon. Are we not getting Descend Carnival? Did we get it already and I missed it? Did it come out after he did in JP?

He's already out! And no, we never did. Hope you have a Tengu team ready!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 08, 2015, 06:49:13 PM
He's already out! And no, we never did. Hope you have a Tengu team ready!

Lolno. I'd rather cross my fingers to get one from Yamato Rush.

Smooth, Gungho. Smooth.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 09, 2015, 01:30:58 AM
Ah ha ha I just had a guy call me a scrub because I wouldn't agree with him that Tyrra-Bean is legit viable as an Awoken Horus sub. :wat: :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 09, 2015, 03:17:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Q03kIAB.jpg)

Showing Fagan who's boss.  The one-hit-kill was quite surprising, I have to admit!  Took two tries since I screwed up and let Haku 7s me the first time, but despite how intimidating this place is it's not NEARLY as bad as I expected!  Still super stoked about having done it though; only my second 99stam stage clear after all!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 09, 2015, 02:25:47 PM
Ah ha ha I just had a guy call me a scrub because I wouldn't agree with him that Tyrra-Bean is legit viable as an Awoken Horus sub. :wat: :D
but tyrra bean is legit

if you're going for s ranks :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 09, 2015, 07:25:58 PM
three skillups on Zaerog Infinity
one skillup on Awoken Byakko #1 via jewel

Assuming "average" luck, I'll need some 20 jewels to skill max each Byakko, so sixty total. Pys will go towards Zaerog's 7 remaining skillups first because fuck his dungeon.


I have a long way to go.  :ohdear:

If I went at Zaerog Infinity with a different team than Big Dog I'd probably have a better time, admittedly...

For 7x6 dungeons, Zaerog/Awoken Byakko/Awoken Byakko/Awoken Byakko/Dizanami/Zaerog is supposed to be a legit team, yea? :V :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 09, 2015, 09:16:44 PM
GF Day 1: Chinese, Indian 2, no Norns, no Kalis..... welp, not even gonna yoloroll once....   #forevermissingMeimei&Vishnu  :fail:

This is literally the worst combination for me, since they are the only pantheons i miss exactly one member of (along with Wukong for Heroes) AND i already have dupes of some of them AND i need Urd for A.Shiva.

Btw Suikama, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE. Chinese + Water Gala...... Godspeed :justasplanned:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 09, 2015, 09:23:28 PM
i need hermes though not karin :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 09, 2015, 09:28:32 PM
i need hermes though not karin :v

Now that you have admitted that, watch as you roll her on your first try  :V


EDIT: Maxskilled Dill Sirius and Dark Chester, Sharon slv4, Darkseid slv5  :D (Merlin still unknown because i'm keeping 4 Harley Quinn to cave Draggie's skull in :3 )

EDIT2: although..... now that i think about it i'm not sure which is the best option to go after Legend: 4x Harleys or Harley - Banshee - Ivy - King Baddie.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 09, 2015, 11:18:46 PM
Quote from: Jord
That look suits you!  ( Player +100% )
LMAO
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 10, 2015, 12:34:23 AM
That...That's if you have Fem!Thor, isn't it...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 10, 2015, 12:58:22 AM
she always wanted a daughter (◡‿◡✿)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 10, 2015, 01:24:20 AM
that was anticlimactic

(http://i.imgur.com/gQPWos8.png) (http://i.imgur.com/cxu48pX.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 10, 2015, 01:52:52 AM
she always wanted a daughter (◡‿◡✿)

If your son was Thor, you sure would too.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2XOybELEvI4/Vhhm_6kxXPI/AAAAAAAACvQ/O72vJYveSfs/w385-h684-no/15%2B-%2B1)

chaore was here prongs are for losers
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 10, 2015, 01:57:42 AM
Jord. Please. You're not supposed to give Kirin more light orbs.

(http://i.imgur.com/vBdqN6c.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on October 10, 2015, 02:26:14 AM
Let's count how many heart orbs are missing from the post-Ronia board.

(http://i.imgur.com/0SOrymll.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/0SOryml.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/jNeYZnml.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/jNeYZnm.jpg)

also I'm honestly not sure if I care that this run failed, that wave 1 was worth it

(http://i.imgur.com/aTvVGh3l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/aTvVGh3.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/yBYZP3sl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/yBYZP3s.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 10, 2015, 03:07:11 AM
Christ, Jord is kind of easy (nobody tell Thor I said that...)

I mean, fair enough, making the evo material descend prizes easy to get is cool (COUGH TENGU), but truckload of health aside she doesn't have many tricks.

Also Freyja 'N Pals is adorbs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 10, 2015, 03:28:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKBsX66e8B8

Hel Descended! video done, with shiva dragon farming team
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 10, 2015, 09:11:50 AM
I got... Creuse? A dark physical enhance???

I guess I have Dizanami, Goetia, and Gravis with Zaerog Infinity as a lead but that -can't- be considered to be better than Awoken Byakko spam.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 10, 2015, 10:48:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/miZiqjJ.png)

It's done.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 10, 2015, 12:36:20 PM
One pull.

-Kurone

Bleh. I didn't have her, so that means I'm obligated to keep her. In many ways that's worse than getting nothing because it's -1 box space and I'll never use her, but then again I've gotten more use out of Ruka than nearly anything else in the game, so maybe... Now I just need Mitsuki to complete the set.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 10, 2015, 12:55:28 PM
I really should have stuck to not pulling, haha.

>GrimRock(dont know if useful, holding onto)
>Thumbelina, er... 3k MP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 10, 2015, 02:10:08 PM
If I remember right, isn't there a time on weekends when bonus drops and bonus experience overlap on Ocean Of Heaven (and other, chumpier dungeons)? Do we know when that is?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 10, 2015, 03:33:42 PM
If I remember right, isn't there a time on weekends when bonus drops and bonus experience overlap on Ocean Of Heaven (and other, chumpier dungeons)? Do we know when that is?

It is impossible.

Which means in about three and a half hours, all 1.5x drop rate will be gone until Sunday morning and replaced by 1.5x EXP. However, this also means that King of the Gods gives about 20K-21K EXP a run, almost as good as Mechdragon Rush if not better...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 11, 2015, 02:07:40 AM
Which means in about three and a half hours, all 1.5x drop rate will be gone until Sunday morning and replaced by 1.5x EXP. However, this also means that King of the Gods gives about 20K-21K EXP a run, almost as good as Mechdragon Rush if not better...

It is actually MUCH better than Mechdragon Rush if you just consider the stamina/exp ratio.

Mechdragon Rush is still better if you consider hour/exp ratio.

EDIT:

(http://i.imgur.com/gzA6t3K.png)

3rd rodin  :o
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 11, 2015, 07:13:16 AM
no...

why...

(http://i.imgur.com/upA5Xj5.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Bi76xo4.png)
(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/0/6518/329978-silver_surfer__u_____0003.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 11, 2015, 07:31:28 AM
> One pull

- Sun Quan

So now I have all of the r3k series except Lu Bu. And I have no real use for any of them aside from Liu Bei.

Wonderful I guess.

Not gonna pull again, my chances of getting something I actually want (Kali/Kaede) is almost null anyway, I'm saving up.

For what. I don't know, but I'm saving up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 11, 2015, 12:25:23 PM
no...
why...
Not sure why you are sad..... shouldn't you be happy to get the last Norn you missed?
Or is this an "Oh god now i have to hypermax her too" thing?

3 rolls:
since i skipped Day 1 to avoid dupes, OF COURSE i had to drop Ishida Mitsunari dupe  :matsuriscowl: (i have Artemis ready to uevo....Ishida system when?  :V )
Blue Angel, Famiel (Gala too stronk, i'm ok with this)
Purple Grimoire, Goetia (....uh? How in the blazes did i get you?  ???  at least it's not a dupe)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 11, 2015, 12:36:39 PM
More like he's been fully and completely defeated by n o r n s

RIP Chirei.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 11, 2015, 12:53:29 PM
Goetia is pretty swag though.

If I fielded Zaerog/Awoken Byakko x3/Goetia/Zaerog I would have 14 orb enhances across 8 TPAs. Pretty sure someone here did the mathematics when we were talking about Summer Awilda.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 11, 2015, 12:55:39 PM
Game has given me another Gadius, a Markab, and (finally) my first Angel 2.0, Rozuel.

\o/
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on October 11, 2015, 01:10:26 PM
meanwhile someone please remind me to stop trying to LKali dungeons before 10am it always fails miserably.

:fail: :fail:

Cat yolorolls resulted in light Wee Jas and Phoenix Rider. Skill ups for the latter would be aces but :gungho:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on October 11, 2015, 01:56:22 PM
I yolo'd a Yomi.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 11, 2015, 02:48:56 PM
yolo'd, dupe karin

more than pleased with that
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 11, 2015, 05:56:31 PM
Despite being Zaerog, Infinity has some really nice stats.

(http://i.imgur.com/dtK0BMZ.jpg)

Some casual damage testing lead to this as well.
(http://i.imgur.com/0UZm4E4.jpg)

Edit
Zaerog Infinity is gross.  (http://i.imgur.com/U4QgkAe.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on October 12, 2015, 01:12:50 AM
The I'm at the a wedding and maybe had to  much to dribk yoloroll : Lakshmi

Yay?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 12, 2015, 01:34:16 AM
The I'm at the a wedding and maybe had to  much to dribk yoloroll : Lakshmi

Yay?
Ultra cute Awoken form, so definitely yay!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 12, 2015, 01:46:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/zGMZqsA.png)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:getdown:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on October 12, 2015, 01:56:22 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/zGMZqsA.png)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:getdown:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C O N G R A T S
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 12, 2015, 02:00:42 AM
finally :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 12, 2015, 02:05:48 AM
finally :V

I pulled 14 LKalis total before this first Dkali. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on October 12, 2015, 02:52:43 AM
:toot: :getdown: :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 12, 2015, 07:21:33 AM
 :dragonforce: :toot:
After all that effort she HAD to drop  :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 12, 2015, 07:52:07 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/zGMZqsA.png)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:getdown:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/BnL0rxP.png)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:getdown:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Amazingly enough I rolled this literally 4 minutes before the godfest ended because I woke up late and was like "what the hell". Worth.)

(Also DC Universe Collab was kind to me this time, Dark Chester Skill Level 1 -> Max, Red Chester 1-> 4, Spare Succubus 1 -> 3 and Darkseid 2 -> 10. :V)

(Also, congrats trance)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 12, 2015, 09:44:12 AM
Requesting Yinping support throughout the day, please and thank
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 12, 2015, 10:02:44 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/mlG8BuT.png)

SUCK IT, NO AWAKENS!!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 12, 2015, 10:21:32 AM
Amazingly enough I rolled this literally 4 minutes before the godfest ended because I woke up late and was like "what the hell". Worth.

(Also DC Universe Collab was kind to me this time, Dark Chester Skill Level 1 -> Max, Red Chester 1-> 4, Spare Succubus 1 -> 3 and Darkseid 2 -> 10. :V)

Grats ;)

My own DC rush went incredibly good with one glaring exception:
Chester 1 --> Max
Sirius 1--> Max
Sharon 1--> Max
Banshee 1 --> Max  :V
Darkseid 1 --> Max
Poison Ivy 1 --> 3

FOUR DIFFERENT Harley Quinn 1 --> 1 (i kept 4 of them for Draggie/Tengu, all of them are now max awoken and around lv30 but not a single skill-up >_> )
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 12, 2015, 11:21:14 AM
oh my god why does this dicknose only have a 40% drop rate on master I NEED FOUR orz
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 12, 2015, 12:14:28 PM
Halloween REM cards:

Halloween Sopdet  (Silver)
Halloween Izanami (Silver)
Halloween Vampire Lord (unnaounced)

Skill Delay Resistance Latent TAMADRA announced
* Digest point: You will take away delayed turns equal to the amount of latents equip on your card. For example, to completely block Awoken Thoth's pre-emptive, you need 5 of these
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 12, 2015, 12:41:55 PM
Skill Delay Resistance Latent TAMADRA announced
* Digest point: You will take away delayed turns equal to the amount of latents equip on your card. For example, to completely block Awoken Thoth's pre-emptive, you need 5 of these

I don't care for that. I think it's questionable game design to roll out a direct counter for everything. Forcing players to find solutions to problems is great, but always offering a brute force, one-to-one counter is sketchy. I'm surprised we don't have a Time Reduction Resistance awakening to complete the set.:p

And it's now very strange to me that Skill Delay and Skill Lock are considered completely separate mechanics by the game. The most significant thing that was making them distinct before was that one was unresistable, but now that they both have that in common too, even in slightly different ways, I think they're now too similar to not fall under the same umbrella.

Calling it, next status effect is "Skill Cancel", which is exactly the same as Skill Lock but it has a different name, so you need five Skill Lock resists and five Skill Cancel resists to be safe. And that's just until Skill Stop comes out...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 12, 2015, 12:43:39 PM
And it's now very strange to me that Skill Delay and Skill Lock are considered completely separate mechanics by the game. The most significant thing that was making them distinct before was that one was unresistable, but now that they both have that in common too, even in slightly different ways, I think they're now too similar to not fall under the same umbrella.

Skill Delay is the most bullshit mechanic that PAD came out with so honestly I don't mind this. A way to make it less insufferable and a method for a player like me to allow further optimization of speedfarming is more than welcome, and it's an option that people don't have to take. That's all it is.

EDIT:

Coop Dungeon information:

To host a room, the player must be at least rank 400. To join a room, the player must be at least rank 100. The dungeon shown off was the creatively named "Extreme Ultimate God Rush."
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 12, 2015, 12:55:01 PM
I don't care for that. I think it's questionable game design to roll out a direct counter for everything. Forcing players to find solutions to problems is great, but always offering a brute force, one-to-one counter is sketchy. I'm surprised we don't have a Time Reduction Resistance awakening to complete the set.:p

This is a little different, anyone that tries to block against it gives up the possibility of +HP or +Resist boosts, and it still won't block anything that reduces for more than five turns like Kagu. This seems more like a short-term thing, and probably most effective for farmers only. I still feel like Resist is king here, but I think most anything that reduces skills anyway won't do more than 2-3 turns if a strat must be built around cheesing this mechanic.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 12, 2015, 01:01:02 PM
This is a little different, anyone that tries to block against it gives up the possibility of +HP or +Resist boosts, and it still won't block anything that reduces for more than five turns like Kagu. This seems more like a short-term thing, and probably most effective for farmers only. I still feel like Resist is king here, but I think most anything that reduces skills anyway won't do more than 2-3 turns if a strat must be built around cheesing this mechanic.

Yeah and Kagu's skill reset skill is if you manage to trigger his resolve anyway, so it can be worked around with some planning.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 12, 2015, 01:10:05 PM
I'm not trying to make the case that this is going to be incredibly harmful to the game or anything, I just think it sets a slightly bad precedent (or more like it aggravates a bad precedent set by the introduction of Skill Delay in the first place). And in doing that it also upsets my sense of symmetry a little. Not a huge deal, but I don't like it.

I'm also not sure what my thoughts on the expectation that Gungho should be going out of their way to cater to speed farmers are. My gut reaction is that the expectation that nothing should be able to slow you down is unreasonable, but I suppose that's unfair. With the ranked dungeons weighting speed so highly obviously the message is that Gungho wants players to try to blast through dungeons as fast as possible, so I guess sending that message and then punishing people for taking it to heart would be a weird move.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 12, 2015, 01:15:48 PM
I'm also not sure what my thoughts on the expectation that Gungho should be going out of their way to cater to speed farmers are. My gut reaction is that the expectation that nothing should be able to slow you down is unreasonable, but I suppose that's unfair. With the ranked dungeons weighting speed so highly obviously the message is that Gungho wants players to try to blast through dungeons as fast as possible, so I guess sending that message and then punishing people for taking it to heart would be a weird move.

it's not a coincidence that a lot of the megawhales who spend a lot of money on this game are the same ones who dump a lot of stones to speedfarm lots of dungeons for a variety of reasons. Providing an MP sink in this way is a good incentive business-wise. Even if it seems like they're going out of their way to cater to speed farmers, placating them and keeping them playing the game as more and more rank 1000+ players quit or "graduate" from PAD is, from a business point of view, smart for them. And for non-iapers who play more casually, introducing a latent like this provides them with an option to decide if they want to utilize that tool, or prioritize something ELSE instead. Such a latent is way better than stupid TE latent which has to be buffed for it to be worth anything.

You are correct on ranked dungeons weighting speed so much - in this current one which is No Awakenings, you are now basically being tested on how fast you can get combos. Top rankers like sasuke can manage 8 combo average in just 4 seconds, which is absurd. It took ME many runs to get my 6.5 average total in 110 seconds. It's not easy at all. They do emphasize speed as it could be considered an indicator of skill. You don't even need whale leads like Ra Dragon or Shiva Dragon. Lots of people get high scores just using A.Bastet or A.Ra or even Verdandi.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 12, 2015, 01:28:34 PM
I'm also not sure what my thoughts on the expectation that Gungho should be going out of their way to cater to speed farmers are. My gut reaction is that the expectation that nothing should be able to slow you down is unreasonable, but I suppose that's unfair. With the ranked dungeons weighting speed so highly obviously the message is that Gungho wants players to try to blast through dungeons as fast as possible, so I guess sending that message and then punishing people for taking it to heart would be a weird move.

The (un)fortunate thing is that a majority of the high-rank players in Japan seem to only care about speedfarming. Just look at their PCGF results from two PCGFs ago. Rodin placed first well above anyone else. People constantly get banned over there and even arrested for trying to tweak the system so they can run dungeons and sell from their box at the same time. Some people even try to make automated scripts for Star Vault. So for better or for worse, these are the people that are lining their pockets and probably the most vocal ones over there, and common business sense says that they must listen or burn.

EDIT: Morning practice is always fun.

(http://i.imgur.com/Vxz5jQa.png) (http://i.imgur.com/JGQzgXd.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 12, 2015, 02:19:53 PM
so today there's tama village and retreat at the same time

but which one is actually better ???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 12, 2015, 02:26:17 PM
so today there's tama village and retreat at the same time

but which one is actually better ???

tama retreat unless you need godin/rodin skillups
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 12, 2015, 02:32:50 PM
Yeah makes sense :V


Also oh boy skill delay resist finally

Since most skill delay pre-emptives seem to be 2 turns, I think the most effective way to make use of them is to just put 2 of em on a +2 turn haster like Shiva/Neptune/Ra Dragon, so that way you just pop them to basically negate the skill delay on everyone

Yeah there's thoth with 5 but he's weak as shit so who cares :V


Oh yeah Halloween stuff

If Halloween Dark Iza is just normal DIza but with better awakenings then she'll be ridiculous. Regular DIza is already a staple on dark teams even with her current awakenings
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on October 12, 2015, 02:38:25 PM
I'm not trying to make the case that this is going to be incredibly harmful to the game or anything, I just think it sets a slightly bad precedent (or more like it aggravates a bad precedent set by the introduction of Skill Delay in the first place). And in doing that it also upsets my sense of symmetry a little. Not a huge deal, but I don't like it.

I'm also not sure what my thoughts on the expectation that Gungho should be going out of their way to cater to speed farmers are. My gut reaction is that the expectation that nothing should be able to slow you down is unreasonable, but I suppose that's unfair. With the ranked dungeons weighting speed so highly obviously the message is that Gungho wants players to try to blast through dungeons as fast as possible, so I guess sending that message and then punishing people for taking it to heart would be a weird move.

Personally, I think Gungho's just not sure what to do. Press button teams were erally strong, so Gungho tried to keep them in check with skill binds, When they did it, it was pretty bullshit(lol izanami.)  To counter this , they made skill bind resistance, but for some reasson, they gave it to several of the guys it was supposed to keep in check(heroes), so they no longer  care about it, while everyone else who has to go a bit  further out of their way for it still has to deal with it. I think Skill delay was basically the same thing. Jord is so annoying. Super tanky and hits like a truck. Why can't Freyja pop out of the rare egg machine already?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 12, 2015, 02:51:04 PM

Yeah there's thoth with 5 but he's weak as shit so who cares :V


I want my skills up on Sphincter ;_;

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 12, 2015, 03:03:59 PM
At least farming Z8 is gonna be way easier with aRa now

Quote
Only Tama Village is showing up today, not the combined Infestation
welp
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 12, 2015, 07:50:50 PM
Do we know if a monster can give the guaranteed skillup thing if they don't have an UVO?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 12, 2015, 07:53:31 PM
it works for UEVOs ONLY
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 12, 2015, 07:58:26 PM
Berry Dragon dupe no skillup.

gaem pls ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 12, 2015, 08:13:08 PM
Huh.

Halloween Vampire Lord. I wonder how they're going to do that, given beach claire is a thing-

Is he going to be like Armor Vamp and actually a red/dark card and make me cry a lot?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on October 12, 2015, 08:25:55 PM
I felt like skill delay would've been fine if they've saved it only for special boss patterns (zaerog 8 and awoken lakshmi comes to mind) but they started abusing it in all kinds of stupid ways(awoken Shiva in particular) that made the latent tama necessary. I feel like they really screwed up the implementation of skill delay here, it could've been fun but now it's just one more arbitrary gimmick to force people to spend mp which reflects really badly on them from player's point of view.

edit: just remembered awoken lakshmi was actually skill bind but yea my point still stands.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 13, 2015, 01:05:06 AM
2/2 andro skillups so far

i guess this kind of makes up for dkali
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 13, 2015, 03:17:46 AM
星宝の魔窟
grp A: 8PM JST
grp B: 9PM JST
grp C: 10PM JST
grp D: 11PM JST
grp E: 7PM JST

(  oo)9
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 13, 2015, 10:27:24 AM
mrgrgr how much longer until marshmallow support

Kinda tired of the notification telling me to update all the time

(and I'm upgrading to a nexus 5x by the end of the month anyway since this phone's battery is kinda fucked anyway and marshmallow is its default.)

Also evolving a bunch of shit today. Tsubaki and ult Tengu made. Still not so sure if Tsubaki is worth using but she's cute I guess??
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 13, 2015, 11:51:57 AM
mrgrgr how much longer until marshmallow support

Kinda tired of the notification telling me to update all the time

(and I'm upgrading to a nexus 5x by the end of the month anyway since this phone's battery is kinda fucked anyway and marshmallow is its default.)

Also evolving a bunch of shit today. Tsubaki and ult Tengu made. Still not so sure if Tsubaki is worth using but she's cute I guess??

Everything cute is useful!
Take Lumiel, for example!  :derp: She was so cute, I evolved her right away and got her all her awakenings.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 13, 2015, 12:31:25 PM
So did I.

And to this day, I have never used my Lumiel. :V

Edit:(http://i.imgur.com/8wYyzgv.jpg)

mrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr how much longer

I have pretty much everything I need to hypermax her at this point, just around 70 +egg short.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 13, 2015, 12:52:32 PM
Dang, AKirin takes EIGHT jewels?  Fagan's ult needs five, doesnt it?  RGBLL?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 13, 2015, 01:11:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/y6qGZFo.jpg)

The high cost of evolving Fagan (and Zhou Yu's 1.7 million exp) justifies the over-the-top Awoken Kirin, in my opinion. Fagan needs 900,000 exp, five king metal/jewel dragons, then the five jewels.

It's just kinda absurd. But what can you do?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 13, 2015, 01:30:21 PM
I don't know that I'm completely comfortable with the "high cost justifies crazyballs insane power" line of thought*, but if that's the case, wtb Beyzul uvo that costs 50 orbs.

*I'm like 75% goofing about that part, but my phone won't let me post helpful tone-setting smiley faces. I do legit have a few issues with that idea, but mostly I recognize that it makes sense with how PAD is constructed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 13, 2015, 01:48:16 PM
It's just kinda absurd. But what can you do?

Get his evolved form to drop out of ultimate dragon rush? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 13, 2015, 01:51:26 PM
I don't know that I'm completely comfortable with the "high cost justifies crazyballs insane power" line of thought*, but if that's the case, wtb Beyzul uvo that costs 50 orbs.

Active gets changed to 6 max 1 min cd, typing becomes dragon/healer/god, gains 300 RCV in stats, leader skill becomes 4.5x atk for water & healer types when HP > 80% and x1,5 atk for dragon types, awakes become bind immunity, double TPA, double row and double skillboosts.

gungho pls
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 13, 2015, 02:07:45 PM
Inb4 Beyzul gets two ults

one of which costs five jewels
the other costs five uvo'd Beyzuls

I mean, if Zaerog can do it, why can't Beyzul? :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 13, 2015, 02:17:57 PM
Inb4 normal Zaerog gets another 3 uvos, the first one requiring the cat dragons (Nyan Zaerog!), the second one requiring uvo'd Sonia Gran and a bunch of jewels and the third requires all other four uvos + evolved Zaerog Infinity;

Or heck, make all of the dragon emperors have two uvos like FFanatic said and make a new Zaerog uvo that requires all of the mega-mega uvos of the dragon emperors + a mega-uvo of Sonia Gran that requires uvo zaerog infinity;

Let's just keep piling everything up!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 13, 2015, 02:18:48 PM
I have the jewels and the interest, I'd totally do it.

I expect to see Wangren and Beyzul uvos where they use each other as materials and gain the other's type as a subtype. Leader skill becomes "4x ATK for primary color above 80%, 1.5x something for secondary color". Wangren gains a skillboost and a prong, Beyzul gains a skillboost and a row. Wangren becomes Dragon/Attacker, Beyzul becomes Dragon/Physical (maybe throw in God or Devil as well?). That would be plenty acceptable to me, even if it comes with high cost and an active reset (and maybe added haste).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 13, 2015, 03:21:29 PM
With ultimate Verdandi coming out eventually and Awoken Susano being a thing, I'm finding myself increasingly wanting to put Armadel on my Verdandi team. She would make getting three sets of prongs off of every Verdandi active a lot more likely, and I know her extra orb enhances do a lot of work, but I'm not sure exactly how much.

Right now my team is Verd/Cu Chu/Liu Bei/GZL/Susano/Verd. Do you think there's any merit in cutting GZL for Armadel? I need to stack skillboosts less because Susano's cooldown just got a lot shorter, but breaking up the Murder Twins feels weird, and she definitely will hit a lot less hard than GZL even if she does bump up everyone else's damage and make Verdandi more reliable.

Is there anything else you would cut instead? Maybe Cu Chu? Or do you think the team is better as is?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 13, 2015, 06:26:25 PM
Inb4 Beyzul gets two ults

one of which costs five jewels
the other costs five uvo'd Beyzuls

I mean, if Zaerog can do it, why can't Beyzul? :D

You also need a ridiculously chuuni name to go with the self-ult

Cryo Dragon Emperor of Deepest Frost, Beyzul Infinity
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 13, 2015, 07:53:34 PM
Eternal Freeze Cryo Twin Dragon of Absolute Zero, Dragon Lord Emperor Beyzul∞

(Worst part is I could totally see Gungho doing that, especially after Original!Uvo Zaerog's japanese name ended up being literally "King of the Black Skies, Dragon Lord Zaerog" and that was in a time were names were actually simple.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 13, 2015, 11:31:23 PM
(http://imgur.com/VzIKegK.jpg)

I probably don't need to field a third Byakko when I have a hyper Persephone, right? I really just want to get this over with.

Edit:
Holy shit level 9 clear
(http://imgur.com/LopSvNz.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 14, 2015, 03:09:14 AM
I've barely even looked at these challenge dungeons. Been too busy with +eggs. And that effort has gotten me a near-hypermax white Kali, so that cool. When she's done I'm going to do the other white Kali, and hopefully by the time I'm finished with that I'll have... You know.

I feel like all of this grinding with Verdandi has made me a lot better at prongs, though. I can now semi-consistently get three or four off of most Verdandi boards (often after an orbchange) which is cool.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 14, 2015, 03:14:32 AM
see the thing is, I want to get prongs with Zaerog
But Byakko keeps giving me only 9 dark orbs.  Then the skyfalls come in and save the day and cause that sort of damage.

Also I really want to hypermax Zaerog. This is way too fun to pass up on.

Fatty really scared me in this dungeon, but as it turns out I only need 16 dark orbs to kill him. Thank Hades for that Persephone active.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 14, 2015, 03:18:22 AM
That active is a ton of fun to play with. I've been really enjoying messing around with Krishna to have an excuse to use a team with it. But Krishna, unlike Zaerog, is extremely squishy, which makes me want to avoid it for actual content, at least until I get a good, fast red orbchange. If he didn't already have a severe skillboost deficit from his trashy awakenings I would strongly consider Gigas as a sub for him (although tanking that team's awful recovery even more would be rough), but he does.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 14, 2015, 07:55:50 AM
Halloween Gacha stuff.

Golds:

Halloween Laila (D/D), sucks even though she got an SB. Not good for a 6*

Halloween Vampire Lord (D/R), same LS as UVO Beelzebub. Okay-ish awakenings. Mediocre for a 6*

Silvers:

Halloween L.Izanami (D/B) - Same style as Beach Awilda - 5 Dark OE, 3 Light Resists, 1 Skill Boost. Uses Liza's AS. LS is same as Liza's LS except also boost God and cut RCV instead of HP by 1/2. Very good.

Halloween Thoth&Sopdet (D/L) - TPA, Skill Boost, SBR, 2 Dark OE, 4 Dark Resists. Uses Sopdet's AS, but might get buffed to 6 CD. LS is the same as Sopdet's LS except added 5 seconds of matching time. One of the best Dark heartmakers in the game now.

More to come maybe.

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/654207161887649792
HALLOWEEN ALRAUNE
AS - clear 4 turns of bind, haste 1 turn
LS - Devil / Healer ATK x3, auto-heal 5x RCV after orbs elim

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/654207541837099008
halloween blonia
AS - board change dark/water, haste 2 turns
LS - dragon / physical HP x2, ATK x2.5, when combo 6+, atk up by a bit (x1.2?)

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/654224652437327872
halloween mistress kali
AS - same as LKali
LS - same as non-ult LKali but with HP/RCV boost to Gods and Devils
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 14, 2015, 08:24:34 AM
uhhh

it's a very good thing I'm getting the Nexus 5X that comes with a $50 google play credit

I am rolling the shit out of this

tbh fuck most of the rares-- vamp ain't that much better than his original (and his LS is... well, we already have Bub for that) and no one cares about the wizards because their stats are garbage

Alraune and HBlonia (Dronia? it's about time the Sonia rainbow was complete :V) are legit great but

to be honest I just want the 4*s, they seem to be absolutely fucking stellar and I want dupes of each because holy shit that's versatile

HIza is a fantastic sub for any dark OE team (hello, AYomi and Nephthys and Z8) and having your RCV cut instead of HP kinda makes her a more limited but stronger Dark TAMApurin

HT&S is the real prize though-- amazing awakenings, solid stats, fills a void that dark has had for a long time by being a fast heartmaker THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH TYPHON :*

I cannot properly summarize how hype I am just for the 4*s alone.

edit: I totally misread HBlonia's LS

holy shit son she can be 4/6.25 to 9/1 or paired with normal blonia she can be 2/6.25 to 7.5/2.5 which is uh.... wow

I actually kinda like how these are hilariously OP without having insane ATK mults


EDIT: HALLOWEEN LKALI HOLY SHIT (D/L)

GIVE ME NOW

Same stats as ult LKali, same AS, LS is 5x for RBLD and HP/RCV boost to God and Devil types instead of the combo mult booster

and rly good art
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 14, 2015, 09:52:55 AM
https://twitter.com/DaikeYamamoto/status/654229366390452224

big balance stuff coming up for later this month.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 14, 2015, 11:34:59 AM
Ok some Halloween monsters are really good/cute.... buuuut LOLCHIBIAVALANCHE will trump everyone so i'll only roll 1/2 times without expectations.

Speaking of cute and good monsters..... GODDAMMIT GUNGHO WHY DID YOU MAKE HALRAUNE SO CUTE ?!?!
I already have an hard time with our resident Alraune-addicted, now this....

I am honestly curious about Chirei's reaction  :3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 14, 2015, 11:57:59 AM
Maybe LKali will be in the MP shop as well?  She IS an 8* card so possibly.

I'm loving a lot of those, but yeah really dont care about Vamp/Laila, but all those others are good for sure!  Wondering just how bad the Chibipocalypse is gonna be though...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 14, 2015, 12:08:50 PM
Maybe LKali will be in the MP shop as well?  She IS an 8* card so possibly.

I'm loving a lot of those, but yeah really dont care about Vamp/Laila, but all those others are good for sure!  Wondering just how bad the Chibipocalypse is gonna be though...

Confirmed to be a part of the MP Shop AND a part of the REM.

Meanwhile, Level 7 Challenge cleared, because Vishnu is great I guess.

It's kinda disgusting how I can deal enough damage to kill Golden Keeper without popping GZL, it's also kinda disgusting that a simple TPA + 1 green combo is enough to kill the blue mask (Which forces me to GZL through the green mask defense).

Isis isn't even a threat because lolblue.

Sopdet was the hardest part, and by that I mean "skyfalls pls no green combos pls"

Wonder if I can do challenge 8...

*checks* nope, not even gonna waste my time, I have plus eggs to farm.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 14, 2015, 12:15:26 PM
Maybe LKali will be in the MP shop as well?  She IS an 8* card so possibly.

I'm loving a lot of those, but yeah really dont care about Vamp/Laila, but all those others are good for sure!  Wondering just how bad the Chibipocalypse is gonna be though...

PSX says that HKali will be in both. ;)

On a different note, i'm beginning to think my Verche is some sort of prank from Gungho..... he is the 2nd or 3rd monster i brought to max level and he "survived" uncountable attempts to skill him up. He is doing an awesome job now too with the Light Carnival....
I know for a fact that he is at the very least 0/70, since i clearly remember going 0/20 the first time i tried to specifically skill him up, and getting really pissed when the second time (trying to one-up myself) went 0/30.... add 0/8 right now, the random tries along the way, and you get a real trooper  :fail:

EDIT; Sacchi'd ninja'd
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 14, 2015, 12:21:25 PM
HKali being in our MP shop is questionable, however, since we've yet to see Claire in there (and probably won't until next year). It really makes me torn though, between getting her or Yomi Dragon...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 14, 2015, 12:49:04 PM
HKali being in our MP shop is questionable, however, since we've yet to see Claire in there (and probably won't until next year). It really makes me torn though, between getting her or Yomi Dragon...

The only reason why Claire wasn't in NA's MP store is because when Claire was part of Summer REM stuffs, the MP Store wasn't part of NA client yet.

They don't have excuse not to copy JP and put HalloKali in the MP Shop anymore.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 14, 2015, 01:11:35 PM
I suppose so. And I guess my decision will be motivated more on whether or not I end up pulling HKali as it is, since I've got a lot of free stones incoming (new phone I'm getting comes with $50 play credit and my day 700 is Oct 30, so it gives me a snowball's chance at getting her).

Meanwhile!

(http://i.imgur.com/705g7rW.jpg)

That took way too damned long. One down, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 14, 2015, 01:15:49 PM
Do we know anything else about HKali? Is she W/B with the same awakenings? If so then I'm pretty happy with that. Gungho usually does okay with the "chase" cards by making them recolored and retyped versions of popular cards that aren't strictly better, but Beach Claire left a bad taste in my mouth. I feel like this time though they could have flip-flopped a lot of the golds and silvers and nobody would raise an eyebrow, and that's pretty cool.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 14, 2015, 01:30:44 PM
Today I learned, Zaerog Infinity x4 will kill Sopdet in an adequate number of turns
Zaerog Infinity x16 will fully heal her, on the other hand.

still no-stoned (http://imgur.com/Keg5dso)

I'm pretty hype for Halloween Izanami. But I'll miss the Dark Izanami active skill. Even if Halloween uses Lizzy's active, Lizzy doesn't even drop 100℅ of the time in her dungeon, so the skillups...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 14, 2015, 01:33:47 PM
Today I learned, Zaerog Infinity x4 will kill Sopdet in an adequate number of turns
Zaerog Infinity x16 will fully heal her, on the other hand.

Gungtroll logic at its finest  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 14, 2015, 01:35:09 PM
Do we know anything else about HKali? Is she W/B with the same awakenings? If so then I'm pretty happy with that. Gungho usually does okay with the "chase" cards by making them recolored and retyped versions of popular cards that aren't strictly better, but Beach Claire left a bad taste in my mouth. I feel like this time though they could have flip-flopped a lot of the golds and silvers and nobody would raise an eyebrow, and that's pretty cool.

Like I said, she's D/L, typing God/Devil.

She has the same awakenings as normal LKali, and the same AS, but her LS is now her old LS (Fire/Water/Light/Dark for 5x) plus HP and RCV boosts for God and Devil types. And of course, new art, with LKali wearing a black dress next to a mirror reflecting her normal self.

All of the halloween stuff can be found here:
http://puzzledragonx.com/en/news.asp?nid=406
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 14, 2015, 02:16:18 PM
The question is then, does this make her better than Black Kali on Awoken Ra? Very possibly. Especially if you are running Awoken Isis already.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 14, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
The question is then, does this make her better than Black Kali on Awoken Ra? Very possibly. Especially if you are running Awoken Isis already.

For Awoken Ra?

Probably.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 14, 2015, 02:54:07 PM
I am honestly curious about Chirei's reaction  :3

I don't reasonably expect to get her being non IAP, but at the same time I should be glad she's now spreading her influence to dark, possibly making her more used than Echidna now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 14, 2015, 03:52:53 PM
I really do wonder why Laila and Vamp are 6*s...that seems pretty silly given how terrible they are by comparison to the others like Thothdet and such.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 14, 2015, 03:58:05 PM
Remember Santa Genie?

Stars =/= quality.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 14, 2015, 05:13:15 PM
The question is then, does this make her better than Black Kali on Awoken Ra? Very possibly. Especially if you are running Awoken Isis already.

Potentially, just because hearts would be out of the way. She's really no different from LKali as a sub though, attribute aside.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 14, 2015, 05:24:28 PM
Potentially, just because hearts would be out of the way. She's really no different from LKali as a sub though, attribute aside.

Right, it's just that she's another primary-white card with two prongs to fill the black requirement, while Black Kali is black with only one prong. If matching white prongs is a high priority for Ra, and typically it is, that should be a huge bump to damage. You lose quite a lot of utility though, and maybe it's overkill damage.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on October 14, 2015, 06:04:29 PM
I really do wonder why Laila and Vamp are 6*s...that seems pretty silly given how terrible they are by comparison to the others like Thothdet and such.

Duke's legit though.  He doesn't compare too badly to Beelzebub tbh. I can see A.Loki and him being a thing. He could use a few awakenings, but honestly, I think he's one of the better golds in the machine. I wouldn't be surprised to buffs given out to most of those cards though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on October 14, 2015, 06:13:54 PM
I know Alraune is really good because Dark has been lacking a good Sx provider and bind clearer and she brings both to the table. (You know people are desperate when Amir is being used)
but no matter how I look at it she's a complete inferior version of A. amaterasu, and if not for the perfect colouring Alraune would not be praised as much.
I mean that LS, Ama has 3x as base and goes up to 4x while Alraune just stays at a flat 3x, and heals half of Amaterasu per turn.
Granted including devils make team building much easier but I figured she could've had a bit better LS. :V prolly won't happen since people are really happy over the active and I see 0 complaints XD

I will not admit I just want to see dark healers be a thing
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 14, 2015, 06:22:00 PM
Duke's legit though.  He doesn't compare too badly to Beelzebub tbh. I can see A.Loki and him being a thing. He could use a few awakenings, but honestly, I think he's one of the better golds in the machine. I wouldn't be surprised to buffs given out to most of those cards though.
Oh yeah, as a CARD I think Duke is fantastic.  If I didnt own Claire I'd totally be excited for him if I pulled him.  Give him like two more Awakenings and I think he'd be pretty amazing though.

Then again there is also chibiValk who despite being a 5*, is pretty ridiculous despite the simplicity of her Awakenings before ult. (especially since she is a special variant of a SEVEN star card, farmable or not)

Fake edit:  i think HAlraune being a lesser A.Ammy is completely fine.  I mean, she comes prepped to use out of the box while Ammy needs a lot of work to reach Awoken form, so the power discrepancy I think is more than fair I think.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 14, 2015, 06:25:17 PM
The problem with Duke is that he really doesn't bring much to the table that his older forms did not already do-- it's really just the two forms combined with Bub's LS. Which, in and of itself is all fine, but it just doesn't feel fitting, honestly, for a collab super rare to just be a kind of combination of a bunch of things that are already farmable and fairly easy to obtain.

But he is solid, I won't disagree with that-- I just wish he was kinda... a little more unique, I guess?

Thoth and Sopdet and Izanami got huge revamps here, meanwhile, because their LS changes make them both viable leaders, and have some pretty stellar awakenings on top of that. Good stats, good awakenings, good LSs, all in a neat 20 cost package that sets them apart from their original counterparts, filling positions that were not being very well-filled until now.

I do hope that Halloween Izanami and Vamp Duke do bring more interest to Dark Balanced though. With a nice setup, Halloween Izanami could be an utterly terrifying leader, and Vamp's more solid incarnation is versatile on pretty much any dark team.

I know Alraune is really good because Dark has been lacking a good Sx provider and bind clearer and she brings both to the table. (You know people are desperate when Amir is being used)
but no matter how I look at it she's a complete inferior version of A. amaterasu, and if not for the perfect colouring Alraune would not be praised as much.
I mean that LS, Ama has 3x as base and goes up to 4x while Alraune just stays at a flat 3x, and heals half of Amaterasu per turn.
Granted including devils make team building much easier but I figured she could've had a bit better LS. :V prolly won't happen since people are really happy over the active and I see 0 complaints XD

I will not admit I just want to see dark healers be a thing

I think Alraune's solid, yeah, especially since if worst comes to worst, you have a quick haste even if bind clearing isn't needed-- which is in a sense kind of a waste of a skill, but it's flexible so at least it does something even if you DON'T need the bind clearing-- and an unbindable bind clearer is something Dark types have lacked for a while (at least, one that isn't DKali or Aamir), and she brings a lot to the table in utility. I like her, though I'm not sure she's something I'd invest Badpy into right now. Maybe if the halloween dungeon has skillups for her...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 14, 2015, 06:34:15 PM
I know Alraune is really good because Dark has been lacking a good Sx provider and bind clearer and she brings both to the table. (You know people are desperate when Amir is being used)
but no matter how I look at it she's a complete inferior version of A. amaterasu, and if not for the perfect colouring Alraune would not be praised as much.
I mean that LS, Ama has 3x as base and goes up to 4x while Alraune just stays at a flat 3x, and heals half of Amaterasu per turn.
Granted including devils make team building much easier but I figured she could've had a bit better LS. :V prolly won't happen since people are really happy over the active and I see 0 complaints XD

I would honestly be hella surprised if she even came close, it's a special rem gold vs an awoken god, there shouldn't be any contest. Though it is amusing that she is the one that is going to start dark healer aside from claire.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 14, 2015, 06:39:14 PM
I hope this REM has Heroes like PAD Academy did. If it does, it can have all my stones. If not I'll probably just do one or two pulls. I know I'll just get 100% chibis either way, but whatever.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 14, 2015, 06:58:42 PM
nonchalant Hera Rush clear

I really just wanted to farm jewels but I realize this is a terrible place to do so.  (http://imgur.com/lcgTu8S)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 14, 2015, 07:06:47 PM
Zaedog is a great name.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 14, 2015, 07:12:23 PM
What about Beelzebae though?  :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 14, 2015, 07:19:18 PM
I hope this REM has Heroes like PAD Academy did. If it dies, it can have all my stones. If not I'll probably just do one or two pulls. I know I'll just get 100% chibis either way, but whatever.

Calling archdemons and assorted Devils for the non-exclusive stuff, myself. Which is... Ugh. I don't need any more of them, I already have most of 'em.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 14, 2015, 07:26:01 PM
Calling archdemons and assorted Devils for the non-exclusive stuff, myself. Which is... Ugh. I don't need any more of them, I already have most of 'em.

Probably true, but I hope not. Archdemons are by faaaar the worst pantheon in my opinion. Is there another spooky pantheon? Not really I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 14, 2015, 07:31:57 PM
Archdemons desperately need secondary evos.  FA Luci could probably use a Super Evo? too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 14, 2015, 07:48:37 PM
Awoken Astaroth pls
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on October 14, 2015, 08:17:42 PM
Gonna throw out there that Halloween Duke's LS is not Beelzebub's.

Beelzebub only boosts Devil; Duke boosts Dark.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on October 14, 2015, 08:28:42 PM
Gonna throw out there that Halloween Duke's LS is not Beelzebub's.

Beelzebub only boosts Devil; Duke boosts Dark.

True, that opens up options like Ookuni and Izanami. I still wouldn't mind Duke getting an extra row though. He feels like he has just the bare essentials right now. I think he should be flashier, but I don't know that would be good. Skill bind resist? Orb enhance Maybe a time extend to be different from Claire?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 14, 2015, 09:37:31 PM
Okay, I missed that, then. Being a full dark 2/2.5 is pretty nice, yeah. Leaves a lot more freedom in building Beelzebub-esque teams.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 14, 2015, 09:57:15 PM
Ah, I had not considered just how ridiculous one could get with the colro LS as opposed to a typebound one...Yeah, he could get some REALLY wacky stuff going probably, huh? 

I wonder how many stones I'll have by then, anyway...?  Also wondering just which chibis they're cramming in there as well so as to have a bunch of "losing" rolls to entice people to try more for the better stuff...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 14, 2015, 10:13:38 PM
Uhh.... can someone tell me what does this message says?
It's not from the game, but from an actual player (and if i'm not mistaken it's from the guy i BF'd before the reset)

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-10-14-22-35-32_zpsmzqvwurt.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mеа on October 14, 2015, 11:52:55 PM
Just says thanks for the BF, and best of luck to the both of us or something like that. Something awkward to translate into English.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 15, 2015, 12:21:59 AM
Thanks for the transation ;)

Urgh, my "team" right now really needs some help and variety: LKali as leader and Keepers/Golems as subs. Over 15k HP but non-existent RCV, and even pairing with DQXQ doesn't cut it anymore.....

And i'm still beating myself up for not only accidentally erasing my old jp account, but also for starting a new one THE DAY AFTER AoT Collab ended  :colonveeplusalpha: Would have rerolled till kingdom come for Levi.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 15, 2015, 01:04:03 AM
Considered using Sandalphon as a sub to buff that RCV and damage reduction?

A day of farming Sphinx has given me two jewels. But I got a skill up off one of them! So it's not a wasted day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 15, 2015, 01:19:15 AM
Considered using Sandalphon as a sub to buff that RCV and damage reduction?

 :o And how am i supposed to beat his descent dungeon when i can't even finish clearing the legendary dragons normals?

My team right now is: base LKali lv 47, Keeper of Gold, Dub-Mythlit, Keeper of Rainbow, Midgard lv 64, uevo LKali  :blush:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 15, 2015, 01:29:29 AM
Oh... Right.

Um. Not really sure how to improve upon LKali without diving into descend bosses or other REM monsters. Sorry, mate.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 15, 2015, 01:56:18 AM
Shoehorning Echidna in there somewhere is probably worth it. It'll tank your HP, but she does kick ass early in the game.

Gungho, buff Echidna please. I want to be able to use her again.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 15, 2015, 02:23:42 AM
Remember Santa Genie?

Stars =/= quality.

Santa Genie was a straight upgrade from the regular Genie, even possessing God subtype.

Comparing Vampire Duke to his original form, the Halloween form is a straight upgrade too (3 shitty awakenings to 4 very good ones), including some stats

Laila's probably the only one who's outright mediocre, since no one will use her when in JP Romanoff exists and CyberDragon Diadem is arguably better for row system teams.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 15, 2015, 02:24:21 AM
great na ios is down

gungho pls

oh its back
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on October 15, 2015, 05:25:21 AM
EU v8.2 update is finished. FF Collab music and REM data found in it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Yukarin on October 15, 2015, 05:51:44 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/to6qKZK.jpg)

suddenly moonrunes!

What is he/she saying?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 15, 2015, 05:53:49 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/to6qKZK.jpg)

suddenly moonrunes!

What is he/she saying?

"Thank you. I completely don't understand English, but thank you. Pleased to meet you"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Yukarin on October 15, 2015, 06:01:44 AM
Thanks trance
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 15, 2015, 06:30:25 AM
the grand list of troll eggs in the Halloween REM:

6*:
Chibi Ronia, Chibi LMeta/DMeta

5*:
ALL OF THEM except for Chibi Valk

4*:
Fairy tale girls.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 15, 2015, 09:07:32 AM
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Suddenly my confidence has plummeted

Still hoping at least for t&s and Izanami but it's the worst troll egg set yet

also FF collab holy shit

I'm so drawn to Halloween stuff though I gotta make Decisions now orz

Edit: also Halloween skillups:
Drawn Joker skills up Alraune (may be worth skilling up one if you don't get an Alraune, comparable stats but worse awakes)

Cockatrice skills up Sonia

Wicked Lady skills up Laila... I think? I couldn't read her AS so I'm filling in the blanks.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 15, 2015, 09:51:36 AM
Edit: also Halloween skillups:
Drawn Joker skills up Alraune (may be worth skilling up one if you don't get an Alraune, comparable stats but worse awakes)

Cockatrice skills up Sonia

Wicked Lady skills up Laila... I think? I couldn't read her AS so I'm filling in the blanks.

yeah.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 15, 2015, 01:00:24 PM
the grand list of troll eggs in the Halloween REM:

6*:
Chibi Ronia, Chibi LMeta/DMeta

5*:
ALL OF THEM except for Chibi Valk

4*:
Fairy tale girls.

Yeah, I'm probably not gonna do that... Like maybe even at all. T&S is cool, but don't really fit cleanly into either of the black teams I'm working on. Izanami is great, but I already have two skillmax ultimate ones.

Huh. So step in an intetestong direction with multiple great silvers, but I'll pass.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 15, 2015, 01:12:02 PM
Still gonna try. I want the 4*s at the very least, but like hell am I about to drop my bounty of free stones on a flood of chibis and fairytale girls. Which means I will have to decide between HKali and Yomi Dragon orz
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 15, 2015, 01:42:34 PM
SO UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I WANTED TO BUY EVO RUSH TO TRY AND DROP MY MATS TO EVOLVE LKALI BUT THEN SLEEP FUCKED ME OVER AND I BOUGHT RARE EVO RUSH INSTEAD

(http://i.imgur.com/z55ZrAA.png)

STILL NO-STONED. VISHNU CONFIRMED STUPIDLY GOOD. NEWS AT 11.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 15, 2015, 02:51:38 PM
Oh cool, the little treasure chest in the dungeon UI gets a + icon now if you have any +egg drops.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on October 15, 2015, 04:34:00 PM
great na ios is down

gungho pls

oh its back
...And we got a compensation stone for it!

Also, I like the new dungeon selection interface.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mеа on October 15, 2015, 04:38:13 PM
Why am I loved by the blue jewels, let me have a green oneee, I want to evolve my Kirin. Since I probably won't be able to get a Fagan for Awoken ver. any time soon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 15, 2015, 04:50:49 PM
FF collab?

i hope this means we get FAT CHOCOBO
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 15, 2015, 05:05:26 PM
cheating mode engaged

(http://i.imgur.com/kPgdkZZ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/4YO7xZ0.png)

FF collab?

i hope this means we get FAT CHOCOBO

We do have the FF Portal App now, so it's about 98% likely that we will get the whole collab soon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 15, 2015, 05:53:55 PM
6x7 boards give me the worst fucking eyestrain ;_;

Edit: Also we got that update that actually lets us see how much damage we're doing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 15, 2015, 05:56:24 PM
Welp.

FF Collab might have to be a pass for me, as much as cloud army sounds hillarious- I wanna go nuts on halloween.

...t...theres not a high chance I won't roll red, right?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 15, 2015, 06:00:55 PM
There is a strange blue orb on my PAD, let me try to move it:

(http://i.imgur.com/L50WZzI.jpg)

Those orbs are way to big
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 15, 2015, 07:11:40 PM
if you didn't know

The "Tower of Windy Woods" and related technical dungeons have been 5x4 for a while
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 15, 2015, 07:41:29 PM
7x6 board seems to have been well worth the hype on my end!

(http://i.imgur.com/b9J4hwE.png) (http://i.imgur.com/q0c2FtG.png) (http://i.imgur.com/1M1knET.png) (http://i.imgur.com/dYSs8WC.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 15, 2015, 08:44:23 PM
i tried 7x6 eec too

and then dq hera spawned >_>


i also hit apollo for 22 million with no damage enhancers so at least there's that
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 15, 2015, 09:26:06 PM
i tried 7x6 eec too

and then dq hera spawned >_>

should been using that hp boosting lead
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 15, 2015, 09:52:19 PM
I am so bad about Extreme Endless Corridors. I don't even know if Gabe can do it or not, I just don't have the patience to mess with it right now. Maybe if we ever get a week with not much going on I'll look into it, but I don't think I've ever gotten past like floor five before I just quit out.

Should be extremely doable with a high-utility Ra team (maybe with Izanami and Metatron) on Big Board Mode, but I don't know that I'm good enough at raindbows yet to clear it with him in normal conditions.

I was impressed by how easily I was able to work with the tiny orbs, though. As you've probably seen a million times over from every single thing I post from my phone, my big dumb fingers tend to mash multiple keys a lot. But I didn't really noticed a difference with PAD, which is great.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 15, 2015, 09:52:24 PM
more like should have been using ra dragon

oh wait no i cant because na is dumb PJSalt
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 15, 2015, 10:02:32 PM
I was impressed by how easily I was able to work with the tiny orbs, though.

Yeah, it's a lot smoother than I expected it to be. I can even make diagonals consistently on it as long as the motion required is downward. Though since this update i've been suffering notable lag for some reason...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 15, 2015, 10:06:25 PM
We do have the FF Portal App now, so it's about 98% likely that we will get the whole collab soon.

Wait what? Can we already get Fat Chocobo? Or it would be available if/when FF Collab comes to NA?


EDIT: forgot that we have another chance to BBF someone in jp.... anyone of you want some free pal points?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 15, 2015, 10:15:08 PM
Yeah, it's a lot smoother than I expected it to be. I can even make diagonals consistently on it as long as the motion required is downward. Though since this update i've been suffering notable lag for some reason...

Yeah, lag comes and goes update by update for me. Right now it's gone, but I had a bad run of a few months where it was causing real problems.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 15, 2015, 10:32:37 PM
Wait what? Can we already get Fat Chocobo? Or it would be available if/when FF Collab comes to NA?

That's how it was obtained, so 99.9% assuredly that is how we will get it as well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 15, 2015, 10:44:08 PM
We do have the FF Portal App now, so it's about 98% likely that we will get the whole collab soon.
oh cool lemme jus

>MUST HAVE IOS VERSION 7.0 OR HIGHER

....................
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 16, 2015, 12:57:32 AM
(http://imgur.com/aCHYUfh.jpg)

Since I took out challenge level 9 with Zaerog, figured I should do 7 while I'm at it.

Not pictured: Doing enough damage to OHKO Blue Mask, piercing Ra's defense after he turned dark. And only matching two dark combos to avoid healing Sopdet.

Fun times.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 16, 2015, 03:06:08 AM
Yeah, I'm probably not gonna do that... Like maybe even at all. T&S is cool, but don't really fit cleanly into either of the black teams I'm working on. Izanami is great, but I already have two skillmax ultimate ones.

The Halloween Izanami has Light Izanami's AS.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 16, 2015, 03:26:30 AM
The Halloween Izanami has Light Izanami's AS.

Right, I know, but I like black Izanami's skill better anyway and I already don't use her. I've just got a lot of options between them and black Metatron for damage reduction in that color and I don't especially need more, even if Halloween Izanami does have excellent awakenings and a kickass leader skill (and she looks extra cool to boot).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 16, 2015, 11:46:38 AM
Welp, simultaneous release of Halloween with JP.  Hold onto your hats, people!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 16, 2015, 12:51:48 PM
Welp, simultaneous release of Halloween with JP.  Hold onto your hats, people!

My wallet is ready :moogy:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 16, 2015, 01:24:18 PM
I still don't think I'm going to do many pulls if any, but Vampire Lord seems like he might be very solid for me. I think he fits my assortment of black cards as a lead better than Metatron or Pandora. But fortunately for me I have the Loki end of the Vampire/Loki teamup, so I don't need to pull for him.

Now watch Loki get a completely incongruous leader skill from the rest of the Norse that makes him unsuitable for that kind of team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 16, 2015, 02:00:25 PM
oh so we are getting a two week rotation

ra dragon by halloween woo :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 16, 2015, 04:23:40 PM
The more I look at Halloween Thoth And Sopdet the more appealing they look. That time extend is madness. And I think their sub pool should be extremely flexible too. I don'y know how much of a damage boost to expect an absolutely massive orb move time to translate into, but it could be a lot.

I like the idea of HT&S/Black Kali/Hanzo/any Izanami or Metatron/Loki/HT&S. Seems like there's room to slot in any kind of silver bullet you might want, and the two heartmakers should help a lot with the low-ish recovery. This might be a good place to squeeze in two Izanami actives too.

Hmm... Maybe I'll do a ton of pulls after all for another "tragic failure to pull Awilda" scenario...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 16, 2015, 04:40:50 PM
the issue I have with Sopdet's leader skill is that Light/Dark/Heal is kinda hard to get, with the exception of Apocalypse. None of the board conversions I know of have B/L/D colors for Sopdet to convert.

You can't field any of the heartbreakers without also having to pop Sopdet's active; Persephone and Apollo are out of the question entirely. What are you going to do, field Gryps Rider?

Hanzo, Fuma, Ascooby Doobis, and Baal are the only conversions that don't impede on 12.25x... but it's still only 12.25x. 12.25x with 10 seconds of extra movement time and some TPAs in there, but...

tbh I would just go orb enhance crazy. Field Halloween Izanami. Zaerog Infinity. Goetia if you have her. Maybe it might work out? Who knows.

edit: Guan Yinping was added to the coin dungeons
you know what team of mine consists almost entirely of healer/physical?

Zaerog Infinity
brb roflstomping for a stone
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 16, 2015, 04:48:16 PM
the issue I have with Sopdet's leader skill is that Light/Dark/Heal is kinda hard to get, with the exception of Apocalypse. None of the board conversions I know of have B/L/D colors for Sopdet to convert.

You can't field any of the heartbreakers without also having to pop Sopdet's active; Persephone and Apollo are out of the question entirely. What are you going to do, field Gryps Rider?

Hanzo, Fuma, Ascooby Doobis, and Baal are the only conversions that don't impede on 12.25x... but it's still only 12.25x. 12.25x with 10 seconds of extra movement time and some TPAs in there, but...

tbh I would just go orb enhance crazy. Field Halloween Izanami. Zaerog Infinity. Goetia if you have her. Maybe it might work out? Who knows.

Black Kali seems like a solid option for a board change.

Use Finn? Honestly yeah, I might.

But I was just reminded that PCGF is coming up soon, so... Maybe I'll wait. We'll see. Put my meager willpower to the test once again.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 16, 2015, 04:57:48 PM
Welcome everyone to our new course "Spastic laws of probability in PAD".
Lets get this show on the road!

1)
- more than 8 months of random or deliberate farming for Verche's skillups ----> 0/80 (more or less)
- one random run of Light Carnival to reach the correct amount of exp right before Super King drops 4 Mystic Knights ----> 4/4

2)
- 5 days of wiping in JP in the Legendary Dragons normals due to orbtroll and low RCV despite pairing with DQXQ -----> cleared one of the 10 dragon normal dungeons
- 1 hour of saying "f*ck off orbtroll and DQXQ, double LKali and pray the Elder Gods" -----> cleared in one try every single one of them AND dropped Phoenix

3)
- farmed Dark Fairy non-stop for Pandora last time it came around----> 4/41
- cleared the levels of Blue Fairy for the stone ----> 3/4 AND finished maxing a Snow Globe Bleu with the trash drops, feeding him to uevo Sarasvati sitting at lv1..... SUPER

4)
- avoided for months Izanami Descended Mythical due to fear of the last 2 floors, unskilled subs  and never a Beelze up to pair up with
- "F*ck Beelze, come here old pal Lu Bu, and f*ck the lucky bastards with Persephone, Pandora+Vamp+Haku+ADQ Hera-Ur (not a single one of them maxskilled)"

Pandora saves my ass when i accidentally send Dark Shining Divinegon <50% and eat a 17k hit , Vamp finishes off Tsukuyomi, Haku for dark Kagutsuchi BUUUUUT this is the moment when the game remember that it's an utter bastard....
ONE 3-orb clear while stalling against LIza skyfalls into a TWELVE COMBO that kills her while i still had 2 turns of skill-lock....
i survive the 2 turns against DIza then Ronia-Hera-Lu Bu ending in this:

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-10-16-16-21-54_zpsphti14dn.png)

for a second there i was ready to blow my top then i noticed that i won thanks to the fact that <50% she first binds Gods instead of attacking. And i dropped both Iza too. The uncontrollable smile was seriously hurting my jaw afterward  :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 17, 2015, 12:54:11 AM
There are still no plans for us to get Descend Carnival, right? I'm feeling the want for Awoken Susano real bad.

Looking at my stuff I think maybe one of the Legendary Beast Riders, who have weirdly low initial costs and half-decent leader skills, might be cool for a team. I have Kraken Rider, Cerberus Rider, and Griffin Rider, and presumably I don't want to use a blue lead for a blue dungeon, so that leaves green or black. I'm not eager to invest very much experience in this, so preferably subs that won't take a ton of effort to get online would be nice. I have a handful of things skilled up but unevolved, so I might be able to use those.

So far I'm thinking maybe Cerberus Rider/Vampire Lord/Dark Dragon Knight/Dark Golem Mk. II/Sleeping Beauty/Cerberus Rider (lol, as though I'll ever find someone to put up a second Cerberus Rider) might sort of work. Sort of. I mean, it's going to suck, but I don't need it to be good. I'd be happy beating it with like, three stones on Mythical or one on Legend. I just need one Tengu and then I'm done.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 17, 2015, 04:19:38 AM
the grand list of troll eggs in the Halloween REM:
5*:
ALL OF THEM except for Chibi Valk
Dunno what the actual lineup is, but NA FB page disagrees.  ChibiValk is among the listed 5* cards.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 17, 2015, 04:42:57 AM
Dunno what the actual lineup is, but NA FB page disagrees.  ChibiValk is among the listed 5* cards.

NA lineup is correct, trance just forgot to edit that post before
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 17, 2015, 05:20:07 AM
Dunno what the actual lineup is, but NA FB page disagrees.  ChibiValk is among the listed 5* cards.


NA lineup is correct, trance just forgot to edit that post before

I'm saying that Chibi Valk is a good pull for a 5* and thus is not a troll gold
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 17, 2015, 12:37:31 PM
Fair enough!  I misread your post it seems, haha.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 17, 2015, 01:50:09 PM
Does anyone know if there's a collection of PAD sound effects anywhere? I wanna make the plus egg bell my text/email notification sound.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 17, 2015, 03:22:02 PM
Oh, hey, King Carnival is considered a normal dungeon while Super King Carnival is considered a Technical Dungeon.

Which means you can get two stones from it.

Unfortunately I didn't manage to drop dub-topalits yesterday, or today, which basically means that I won't be getting my LKali uvo rn.

Between yesterday and today, I actually got quite a bit done:

Karin from level 5 -> MAX, evolved and then straight to 88, 5 TAMADRAs dumped on her before I go for Awoken Karin.

LKali Evolved and then thrown into level 98, 6 +9 TAMADRAs dumped into her, can't uvo her yet though ):

Berry Dragon evolved and thrown into level 25, 9 TAMADRAs dumped into him.

And I still have 25 TAMADRAs left >_>''
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 17, 2015, 03:59:16 PM
More Awoken Karins popping up? Delicious.  I shall have to try to remember to give the not-hyper ones love too, haha.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 17, 2015, 04:27:11 PM
More Awoken Karins popping up? Delicious.  I shall have to try to remember to give the not-hyper ones love too, haha.

I'm actually gonna be running her as a sub for Awoken Lakshmi, still, I'll be able to have her as a leader if you want!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 17, 2015, 04:29:02 PM
Beat Devil Rush for the first time.

(http://imgur.com/YjrM776.jpg)

Suck it, Beelzebub.

Generally this isn't a thing I can do with Kirin because of the preemptive poison board. And I definitely don't feel comfortable doing it with Purin when I get poison skyfalls.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 17, 2015, 07:37:28 PM
Does anyone know if there's a collection of PAD sound effects anywhere? I wanna make the plus egg bell my text/email notification sound.

There's a sound effect for +eggs? I don't remember that. Is it new?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 17, 2015, 08:12:38 PM
I'm actually gonna be running her as a sub for Awoken Lakshmi, still, I'll be able to have her as a leader if you want!
Oh no, I'd have to be OFFERING the lead, haha.  I have a BFF'd superhyper'd one(+4HP/1Atk), but I'll still try to give you my pal points anyway.  I'm not very good about remmebering to run down my list sadly, so sorry if you lack the occasional 10 from me here and there.  I miiiiight experiment with ALakshmi though since I think she might be pretty fun as another alternate Hermes friend-lead!  Plus too cute to ignore, of course.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 17, 2015, 08:39:45 PM
There's a sound effect for +eggs? I don't remember that. Is it new?

That little jingle when a plus egg drops? It's been in the game ever since plus eggs have been in the game as far as I know.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 17, 2015, 08:48:50 PM
I just got off a nap and I dreamt that P&D had a collab with Undertale.

In other news, weekend dungeon farming is boring. News at 11.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on October 17, 2015, 09:21:02 PM
I just got off a nap and I dreamt that P&D had a collab with Undertale.

Papyrus for best silver egg please
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 17, 2015, 09:24:05 PM
That little jingle when a plus egg drops? It's been in the game ever since plus eggs have been in the game as far as I know.

Yeah I don't remember that. I think the sound design in this game is atrocious for the most part so I've been playing on mute since like day two.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 17, 2015, 09:51:35 PM
Yeah I don't remember that. I think the sound design in this game is atrocious for the most part so I've been playing on mute since like day two.

until you hear the increasingly louder pitch of a 18 combo you have never lived a day in your life
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 18, 2015, 12:09:16 AM
are you fucking kidding me

(http://i.imgur.com/v8LPG2L.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ghcQwSn.jpg)

U DIDE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x1Ako9qpUo)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 18, 2015, 02:23:19 AM
Papyrus for best silver egg please

I wonder who the gold eggs would be.

A+ would main goatmom or fabulous robot

Yeah I don't remember that. I think the sound design in this game is atrocious for the most part so I've been playing on mute since like day two.

Then, er... of course you wouldn't have heard it :V

The sound design is fine, it's just that the game has only five main bgm tracks and three of them suck. SFX-wise the game has come a long way.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 18, 2015, 02:27:31 AM
I wonder who the gold eggs would be.

A+ would main goatmom or fabulous robot

Then, er... of course you wouldn't have heard it :V

The sound design is fine, it's just that the game has only five main bgm tracks and three of them suck. SFX-wise the game has come a long way.
I think it'd be cool if they had remixes for each "element" of dungeon myself, with different instruments or something that evoke a feeling befitting the stage you're in.  This includes such ideas as having intense orchestral music for Starlight Sanctuary, and Zeus there having his own unique rendition of the standard boss theme.  (Probably Venus in Techs as well since she's effectively the final regular stage boss THERE.)  Maybe have the number dragon dungeons have their own stage/boss BGM...So much wasted potential for variety and it's a little sad.

Some of the collab BGMs show just how much they could do, too.  I'm especially fond of the ShinraBansho 2 BGMs as well as the now-most-likely-defunct Groove Coaster ones.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 18, 2015, 03:40:24 AM
Hypermaxed White Kali #1 earlier finally. Took me forever to get those last few +HP eggs. White Kali #2 is up to +56 already in the time it took me to finish the first one.

Then, er... of course you wouldn't have heard it :V

I turned my sound on for a few runs of Legendary Seaway earlier and it sounded vaguely familiar. It's a kind of nice sound effect. Would make a cool ringtone, if you can find it.

The sound design is fine, it's just that the game has only five main bgm tracks and three of them suck. SFX-wise the game has come a long way.

All of the menu tones and the combo counter sounds drive me fucking crazy. I like the clicking sound of moving the orbs around, but the rest of it doesn't do a lot for me. Especialllly the background music. Daaaaang.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 18, 2015, 04:23:18 AM
If you haven't yet, listen to the technical/descend dungeon BGMs. They're legitimately good.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 18, 2015, 10:11:24 AM
Chirei, what is that?!? PADZ for the 3DS? Looking damn cool....

@commandercool personally i find the boss theme of Pad Academy a bit catchy  :3 and i really liked the Duel Masters dungeon BGM
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on October 18, 2015, 02:17:21 PM
Some of the collab BGMs show just how much they could do, too.
This. I usually play with the BGM off and substitute it with whatever I feel like from my music library, but when collabs come around I always give their BGMs a listen.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 18, 2015, 02:52:43 PM
I had too much stamina to burn and nothing i particularly wanted to farm atm (like hell i'm skilling up my second Echidna for low cost after FINALLY getting the last skill-up on the main one)....

This was a long time overdue...... RoBu send their greetings Fagan: "GET REKT!"
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-10-18-15-34-10_zpsuqriurgj.png)

Question: i have 2 Ra in my box..... one will obviously become A.Ra but what should i do with the other? 2nd Awoken, different uevo or MP?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 18, 2015, 03:50:44 PM
Nice, Espadas!  Gonna tackle any of the other endgame bosses sometime?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 18, 2015, 06:42:28 PM
HEY CHIREI CAN YOU CLEAR EEC 5x4

because seriously how is this shit even possible
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on October 18, 2015, 07:47:49 PM
the grand list of troll eggs in the Halloween REM:

5*:
ALL OF THEM except for Chibi Valk


(http://i.imgur.com/wentjPg.png)

nailed it
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 18, 2015, 07:51:17 PM
HEY CHIREI CAN YOU CLEAR EEC 5x4

because seriously how is this shit even possible

I'm going to wait until I have Akechi or Sanada up and running. I've only seen MP Dragon clears so far, all of which I am not equipped to run.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 18, 2015, 08:13:16 PM
i guess that sumire i pulled might finally come in handy


hmm with Skuld, Andro, and Nut I have plenty of orb change and +orbs

but I just need some sort of burst

some sort of water burst card

or for gods...


:colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 18, 2015, 08:31:36 PM
i guess that sumire i pulled might finally come in handy


hmm with Skuld, Andro, and Nut I have plenty of orb change and +orbs

but I just need some sort of burst

some sort of water burst card

or for gods...


:colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha: :colonveeplusalpha:

The thing is that Sanada and Akechi have rows and popcorn in their LS, and a row is exactly 5 orbs in 5x4, so it doubles up. Sumire has no rows, so I don't know if it'll have quite the same impact.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 18, 2015, 08:35:59 PM
so i tried to find some videos of 5x4 clears with sumire

instead i found people clear it with ra dragon

...welp i guess that's that


also Scarlet system actually has the easiest time by far :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 18, 2015, 08:42:16 PM
so i tried to find some videos of 5x4 clears with sumire

instead i found people clear it with ra dragon

...welp i guess that's that


also Scarlet system actually has the easiest time by far :V

Tell me something the Scarlet Engine doesn't have an easy time with.

Something not called Ultimate Arena, please.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 18, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
Note to self, go try EC 5x4 with Sumire once she's evo'd.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 18, 2015, 09:22:59 PM
I was just killing time and tried to do Endless Corridors 5x4 with Verdandi and died to Zeus (although I wasn't really paying attention and probably could have lasted a few more rounds/won with better skill management). For some reason I was thinking prongs would be well-suited to 5x4, but that makes no sense, they are not. Rows seems like a wash or a loss, you can do them with fewer orbs which is cool, but there are less orbs in each combo, which should substantially cut your damage. Should be able to clear Endless Corridors 5x4 and True Endless Corridors 5x4 with Gabriel because he's Gabriel, but it'll be slow.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 18, 2015, 09:39:32 PM
Nice, Espadas!  Gonna tackle any of the other endgame bosses sometime?

Well, after that i 0-stoned Defoud too but my phone took a fantastic screenshot of a BLACK screen for some reason so i only have him on my box as proof  :V

For Defoud i went ADQ Hera-Ur/Ronia as leaders and that run was one of those times i curse the heavens that deny me a Lu Bu.... stalling for F/D Shiva (0 skillups) was a real piece of work, although it appears that being forced to lead with LKali in my jp account has improved my combo skill  :3


On an completely different note, I LOVE THE HALLOWEEN DUNGEON!
The BGM is by far my favourite (i actually plan to make it my ringtone  :D), and you can drop both Vampire (for my JP account) and Quinton (for skilling up my Durga in NA)!
Add to that fast and cheap exp due to the evoed pengdras and the boss drop is actually useful and it's really good for me  :)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 18, 2015, 10:11:52 PM
Tell me something the Scarlet Engine doesn't have an easy time with.

Something not called Ultimate Arena, please.
C10s that have 38k premptives :V

I was just killing time and tried to do Endless Corridors 5x4 with Verdandi and died to Zeus (although I wasn't really paying attention and probably could have lasted a few more rounds/won with better skill management). For some reason I was thinking prongs would be well-suited to 5x4, but that makes no sense, they are not. Rows seems like a wash or a loss, you can do them with fewer orbs which is cool, but there are less orbs in each combo, which should substantially cut your damage. Should be able to clear Endless Corridors 5x4 and True Endless Corridors 5x4 with Gabriel because he's Gabriel, but it'll be slow.
keep in mind that stalling is also harder in 5x4 because you get WAY less heart orbs + fewer combos which means you dont heal much
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 18, 2015, 10:23:09 PM
keep in mind that stalling is also harder in 5x4 because you get WAY less heart orbs + fewer combos which means you dont heal much

Hmm fair enough. Should still be more than more than enough for Endless Corridors, even more so if I bring Neptune as a friend, but that might make True Endless a bitch.

I don't understand how people are doing hard 5x4s with Ra Dragon. There are only 20 slots on the board, and he needs at least 15 of those to be very specific things. Is it just a matter of bringing tons of Black Kalis and stalling their skills up every time you actually need to hurt something?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 18, 2015, 10:39:17 PM
Test #1 over.  I need to do a few things before this is possible.

1:  Get better at arranging the limited orbs for maximum combo
2: Skill up basically everyone not max skilled
3: Get better at active management.

At least I know the idea is definitely sound!  A "simple" row with 3 total combos let AKarin(in a sub role this time, of course) deal over 320k damage, so it should definitely be possible if I can manage my orbs correctly.  Made it to floor 42 this go.

Miiiight need to think more on what subs to bring in though, too.  Need to mull it over for a while.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 18, 2015, 10:46:46 PM
Tell me something the Scarlet Engine doesn't have an easy time with.

Something not called Ultimate Arena, please.

It beats Arena too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 18, 2015, 10:58:34 PM
It beats Arena too.
eh not really. There's are a number of spawns that are auto lose like DQ Hera and Beelz, and the only way you win vs Kali is if you skyfall a red match on top of your double row. So it's doable but you have to get really lucky which is not really a great way to spend 99 stam.

Hmm fair enough. Should still be more than more than enough for Endless Corridors, even more so if I bring Neptune as a friend, but that might make True Endless a bitch.

I don't understand how people are doing hard 5x4s with Ra Dragon. There are only 20 slots on the board, and he needs at least 15 of those to be very specific things. Is it just a matter of bringing tons of Black Kalis and stalling their skills up every time you actually need to hurt something?
yeah basically you just stall on everything with Ra's 2.25x RCV and then when a DKali comes up you can kill
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 19, 2015, 01:51:47 AM
It beats Arena too.

Doesn't mean it has an easy time with it. Scarlet System is easy to run but requires a shitton of RNG luck to NOT roll specific enemies




Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 19, 2015, 02:09:23 AM
Christ, Awoken Sopdet in challenge dungeons is so un-fun. I understand the desire on the part of the devs to throw creative curveballs and force people to change up their strategies, I really do. This is not just me being mad that Awoken Ra can't just steamroll everything. But she just does not work in PAD, it's too RNG-based. I just had two runs of Challenge 7 in a row where I was substantially lowballing my combos in order to not accidentally heal her, and both times I got skyfalls that just barely put my damage over the insta-loss threshold. I suppose I should have just gone in with Gabe, but I'm not too keen on fighting Dark Sun Ra again with him until Beyzul gets a fucking subtype.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 19, 2015, 02:33:25 AM
Christ, Awoken Sopdet in challenge dungeons is so un-fun. I understand the desire on the part of the devs to throw creative curveballs and force people to change up their strategies, I really do. This is not just me being mad that Awoken Ra can't just steamroll everything. But she just does not work in PAD, it's too RNG-based. I just had two runs of Challenge 7 in a row where I was substantially lowballing my combos in order to not accidentally heal her, and both times I got skyfalls that just barely put my damage over the insta-loss threshold. I suppose I should have just gone in with Gabe, but I'm not too keen on fighting Dark Sun Ra again with him until Beyzul gets a fucking subtype.

Haha. Awoken Sopdet is unfun?

Wait til you see them casually throwing in Vishnu ...

:persona:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 19, 2015, 02:39:52 AM
The only reason I could get past Sopdet with Zaerog was because he conveniently has a x4 option in addition to his x16 and x36...

even then I had to be really careful with skyfalls. Especially since Zaerog has the wtfdark factor.

I had spare stamina before I wanted to head to bed, so I threw Zaerog at the Rare Evo Materials unite hoping for a specific drop (even though its drop rates are awful)

Got myself a stone and a fancy new green lead.
(http://i.imgur.com/DWyNGxQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 19, 2015, 02:42:46 AM
Got myself a stone and a fancy new green lead.
(http://i.imgur.com/DWyNGxQ.jpg)

ONE OF US

ONE OF US

ONE OF US

cats
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 19, 2015, 02:50:35 AM
ONE OF US

(http://i.imgur.com/zCfDFY6.jpg)
Do I have a cat team?

But uh
Don't start thinking I'll stop using big dog just because I have wimpy cat now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 19, 2015, 02:53:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/zCfDFY6.jpg)
Do I have a cat team?

Looks fine to me. You don't need GZL there though. An orb changer would be better probably.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 19, 2015, 02:54:46 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/zCfDFY6.jpg)
Do I have a cat team?

But uh
Don't start thinking I'll stop using big dog just because I have wimpy cat now

cat team is laughably easy to make and it's pretty much impossible not to fuck it up, so you're fine
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 19, 2015, 02:59:56 AM
uhh
I got choo choo train, Leeza, Jord, Kaguya, Armadel, green Wee Jas, Zheng Fei, Amitaka, Kano...

But the HP.

If I dive into off color utility, Awoken Amaterasu, Awoken Isis, Sachi Bros are available.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 19, 2015, 03:00:39 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/zCfDFY6.jpg)
Do I have a cat team?

But uh
Don't start thinking I'll stop using big dog just because I have wimpy cat now

You probably have a better cat team than I do, due to susanoo's presence.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on October 19, 2015, 03:03:30 AM
uhh
I got choo choo train, Leeza, Jord, Kaguya, Armadel, green Wee Jas, Zheng Fei, Amitaka, Kano...

But the HP.

If I dive into off color utility, Awoken Amaterasu, Awoken Isis, Sachi Bros are available.

Awoken Amaterasu is really good for the double Sx
Also emergency 40% heal saves lives
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 19, 2015, 03:10:14 AM
You probably have a better cat team than I do, due to susanoo's presence.

I would feel better about this if I didn't already invest heavily into, well

only light and dark mobs ever (http://imgur.com/97Ruj9R)

also lol at Zaerog and Amaterasu adding up to exactly 297
Awoken Amaterasu is really good for the double Sx
Also emergency 40% heal saves lives

I'll consider that, since Ammy will at least migitate against dud Genbu boards. Plus that short cool down haste is to die for.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 19, 2015, 03:41:11 AM
I would feel better about this if I didn't already invest heavily into, well

only light and dark mobs ever (http://imgur.com/97Ruj9R)

If I can beat XEC with this weak team and completely unskilled, not +297 cat on my end, yours will do a lot better. (http://i.imgur.com/HaspiG1.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 19, 2015, 09:25:41 AM
"oh man I have no self control even when I have free stones incoming" pulls

lilith
Red Riding Hood
Dill Sirius
Sleeping Beauty
Red Riding Hood
Sleeping Beauty

... sigh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 19, 2015, 09:27:26 AM
Decided to do a couple Halloween pulls at least.

-Izanami
-Vampire Lord

So on one hand, going great so far. On the other hand, with my luck this probably means I've already got all the good stuff out of the way. But I reeeally want T&S...

Okay, at least one more for now...

-Izanami

Weird. Fine, more.

-Sleeping Beauty

Okay, this is where I stop. For now. (Why couldn't one of those Izanamis be T&S PAD whyyyyy?)

Edit: Self control twin powers activate...:p
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 19, 2015, 09:46:40 AM
... Cinderella. Thumbelina.


I should never roll special REMs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Calamity on October 19, 2015, 10:58:57 AM
Three halloween rolls. Chibi Metatron, a third Fire Witch Bitch, Halloween Alraune. Coolio. Still have five rolls I can do depending on how pcgf will turn out.

I run Ronia and Awoken Shiva now if OP can slightly change leaders thingy. Blasting through shit without needing actives and just doing pure combos feels gewd.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 19, 2015, 12:50:23 PM
Used up my last few stones one two more pulls because my roommate did three in front of me and got T&S.

-hera
-hera

Weeeeeeird.

Edit: Are highlighted leads in the first post max-latent awakenings? Because if so I'm adding Gabriel.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 19, 2015, 12:55:58 PM
Edit: Are highlighted leads in the first post max-latent awakenings? Because if so I'm adding Gabriel.

Yes  :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 19, 2015, 01:03:18 PM
I'm gonna add an explanation of that to the post then. Anybody else need added?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 19, 2015, 01:06:02 PM
>yoloroll hallorem

>gold egg

>!!!

>Vampire Duke

;_;

At least it's not a chibi, I guess.

Edit: Also, the halloween stage BGM is fantastic.  I really wish they'd let us choose our stage BGM so I could use stuff like this; I might actually leave the phone off mute more often.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 19, 2015, 01:43:48 PM
> Yoloroll hallorem

> Regular Shaila

not rolling again, I like my stones thank you.

Gotta save up till christmas so maybe I'll have a chance to roll Yomi and maybe Isis.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 19, 2015, 01:58:39 PM
Two rolls.

>HIza
>3k MP.

Not bad for only two.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 19, 2015, 02:04:16 PM
Maybe it's too early to say this, but I don't think this REM is THAT much of a trap. The collab silvers are like, ultimate evolved pantheon god tier at least, and I'm seeing a lot of them dropping. One or two pulls is probably not an awful idea. Sympathy to those who got nothing, but most people seem to be walking away with at least one of the incredible four-stars (which are the true prize anyway in my opinion).

And yeah, Halloween BGM is cute.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 19, 2015, 02:04:27 PM
1 roll

HIza

cool
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 19, 2015, 02:16:23 PM
Maybe it's too early to say this, but I don't think this REM is THAT much of a trap. The collab silvers are like, ultimate evolved pantheon god tier at least, and I'm seeing a lot of them dropping. One or two pulls is probably not an awful idea. Sympathy to those who got nothing, but most people seem to be walking away with at least one of the incredible four-stars (which are the true prize anyway in my opinion).

And yeah, Halloween BGM is cute.

it took me 14 pulls to get my halloween thoth&sopdet

17 of the 5 stars are garbage, 5 of the silvers are MP fodder...

you'd be delusional not to say that the REM isn't a huge trap and test by GungHo to see how far they can go without actually causing a riot
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 19, 2015, 02:23:22 PM
it took me 14 pulls to get my halloween thoth&sopdet

17 of the 5 stars are garbage, 5 of the silvers are MP fodder...

you'd be delusional not to say that the REM isn't a huge trap and test by GungHo to see how far they can go without actually causing a riot

or uh

not someone looking for absurdly specific things and open to using things that aren't ~leet top tier~ tbh

Edit: like, seriously, even comparatively all the silver are -actual fucking cards- this time as opposed to glorified 5 stone skillups like the past two rems, regardless of what you think of fairy tales

that's actually a marked improvement.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 19, 2015, 02:29:46 PM
1) Set himself a limit of 3 rolls
2) Fully expect 3 chibi
..............
3) HIza, Vampire Lord, 5k MP

Satisfied  :)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on October 19, 2015, 02:38:00 PM
> Halloween yoloroll
> 2spookyBSonia

YUP I'M DONE  HERE
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 19, 2015, 02:42:24 PM
Edit: like, seriously, even comparatively all the silver are -actual fucking cards- this time as opposed to glorified 5 stone skillups like the past two rems, regardless of what you think of fairy tales

that's actually a marked improvement.

actual fucking cards that are already available in the regular rem :fail:

like sure, Fairy Tale girls aren't garbage tier, but for God's sake, this padding is just too absurd. You've already got well over 15 cards in the Halloween REM that are already available in the regular REM. At least the chibi shit is novel for being premium REM only garbage. If I really wanted more Fairy Tale girls or Archdemons I'll be less disappointed to pull them from the regular REM versus some special REM where I expect special shit to be pulled. Not Archdemons and Magicians on x2 rates or generic REM silvers
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 19, 2015, 02:44:49 PM
it took me 14 pulls to get my halloween thoth&sopdet

17 of the 5 stars are garbage, 5 of the silvers are MP fodder...

you'd be delusional not to say that the REM isn't a huge trap and test by GungHo to see how far they can go without actually causing a riot

Let me be clear that I'm not advocating dumping all of yours stones like I, a historically stupid person, has done. But if a person was to do two or three pulls with the understanding that it's a calculated risk, they stand very reasonable odds of not being disappointed. It's still not a gold mine by any means, but it seems like a solid step in the right direction.

And I don't think that many of the five-stars are trash. I like hera. She may be a goofy novelty, but I don't think she's awful at all. Your mileage may vary, especially if you've whaled the shit out of every other event REM, but I don't have most of the five star chibis and I woukd be haply to get most of them for five stones.

I'm not trying to steer anyone into going nuts on this event, but I think it's a reasobable offering.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 19, 2015, 02:48:10 PM
Let me be clear that I'm not advocating dumping all of yours stones like I, a historically stupid person, has done. But if a person was to do two or three pulls with the understanding that it's a calculated risk, they stand very reasonable odds of not being disappointed. It's still not a gold mine by any means, but it seems like a solid step in the right direction.

And I don't think that many of the five-stars are trash. I like hera. She may be a goofy novelty, but I don't think she's awful at all. Your mileage may vary, especially if you've whaled the shit out of every other event REM, but I don't have most of the five star chibis and I woukd be haply to get most of them for five stones.

I'm not trying to steer anyone into going nuts on this event, but I think it's a reasobable offering.

Chibi DQ Hera has the distinction of being one of the better Dark gravities, I'll give you that. And Chibi Dance Queen Hera has 3 OE + TPA which is better for some Red teams than Row + TPA. Chibi Valk is good, I didn't include her in the 17 out of 18 cards I thought were mediocre pulls. I understand your point somewhat at least - the 6* Chibis I guess can have their niche uses and Chibi Ronia is pretty decent. But my point is, why the fuck are there 15+ generic REM stuff in this Halloween REM? I would have been less annoyed with it if there were more chibis instead of regular REM stuff on increased goddamn rates tbh.  It's like when the China Gods had something absurd like x3 or x4 in the XMAS REM, but at least it was just 5 of them. The Academy REM had 5 Heroes and Chester. Which is just 6/7.

Hmm what did Beach REM have. I don't actually remember what regular REM stuff the Beach REM had. But Halloween REM triples the count of regular REM stuff the previous special REMs did, which is quite frankly absurd.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 19, 2015, 03:02:26 PM
> Halloween yoloroll
> 2spookyBSonia

YUP I'M DONE  HERE

[eva]Congratulations![/eva]

Chibi DQ Hera has the distinction of being one of the better Dark gravities, I'll give you that. And Chibi Dance Queen Hera has 3 OE + TPA which is better for some Red teams than Row + TPA. Chibi Valk is good, I didn't include her in the 17 out of 18 cards I thought were mediocre pulls. I understand your point somewhat at least - the 6* Chibis I guess can have their niche uses and Chibi Ronia is pretty decent. But my point is, why the fuck are there 15+ generic REM stuff in this Halloween REM? I would have been less annoyed with it if there were more chibis instead of regular REM stuff on increased goddamn rates tbh.  It's like when the China Gods had something absurd like x3 or x4 in the XMAS REM, but at least it was just 5 of them. The Academy REM had 5 Heroes and Chester. Which is just 6/7.

Hmm what did Beach REM have. I don't actually remember what regular REM stuff the Beach REM had. But Halloween REM triples the count of regular REM stuff the previous special REMs did, which is quite frankly absurd.

The REM stuff doesn't bother me, since I don't own all of it. It unfocuses the theme a little, but so do chibis, so replacing one with the other only matters a lot if you already own everything, which most people don't.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 19, 2015, 03:05:45 PM
> Halloween yoloroll
> 2spookyBSonia

YUP I'M DONE  HERE

Gat damn.

ps get on irc
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 19, 2015, 03:08:50 PM
The REM stuff doesn't bother me, since I don't own all of it. It unfocuses the theme a little, but so do chibis, so replacing one with the other only matters a lot if you already own everything, which most people don't.

I'm just fundamentally against the idea of padding a gacha which is meant to be for a special event or occasion with stuff that can be gained at any time and isn't exactly 'special'.

The Chibi stuff comes not often enough that I can deal with the novelty of pulling a few, even if I end up selling some (not all).

That's just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 19, 2015, 04:23:53 PM
Rolled again because I have no chill, got thothdet.  Gimmick card?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 19, 2015, 04:35:58 PM
Rolled again because I have no chill, got thothdet.  Gimmick card?

S-rank machine and high-end black heartmaker at least, viable lead at best. I really want to try out their crazy leader skill, no idea how good it actually is.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on October 19, 2015, 04:56:33 PM
1) regular Laila
2) Chester
3) Sleeping Beauty
4) rose
5) dq hera

Could be worse, I guess? Chester and rose will at least see some use.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on October 19, 2015, 04:59:32 PM
200th login Halloween YOLOroll:
(https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B0k2U6aV60UXR0dTbm5XUmtDelU)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Moogs Parfait on October 19, 2015, 05:01:25 PM
4th roll cause I'm weak
(http://i.imgur.com/v9xx1rCl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/v9xx1rC)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 19, 2015, 05:06:18 PM
i might weakness roll (i already did six)

i really want red and this is a much better chance to get her than regular rem
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 19, 2015, 07:20:25 PM
Debating on if I wanna roll again once my stones regen, but the despair rate...

Probably a better idea to wait til Christmas or something and get destroyed there.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 19, 2015, 09:14:30 PM
alright time to rake in the pys

...

half of these challenge dungeons are jewels not pys dammit >__>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 19, 2015, 09:26:47 PM
Well. Looks like Badpy is on God Rush.

Time to kick ass... When my stamina refills from getting the Halloween dungeon stone.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 19, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
I typed up a comparison between two cards for curiosity's sake, peruse at your leisure.

Quote
LMeta -> Awoken Amaterasu

STATS
+1167 hp
-309 atk
-211 rcv
-God type (No Athena, Noah, $ dragons, Muse/Izanagi, etc)
+Physical type (worse for light overall?)

ACTIVE
-2 turns
+~3k heal assuming no +eggs and 20k hp
+1 bind recovery
+1 haste

LEADER
+.5x atk at full
-.5x atk at 50%-99%
+3x atk at 0-49%
-.25x hp
+10x RCV heal/turn - 6520 with no +eggs, 13040 (!) with leader/friend

AWAKENINGS
-auto-recover
+TPA
+2x skill bind resist

OTHER
-blue sub-element
+green sub-element
-25 cost
+materials are typical awoken bullshit ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 19, 2015, 10:10:03 PM
As usual, poor LMeta is getting dunked.  Again.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 19, 2015, 10:13:54 PM
Takeminakata is like the easiest of easy to get of Descend bosses. Kaguya, on the other hand...

Whelp

Awoken Ammy might have a fun time farming Kagoogs, actually.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 19, 2015, 10:19:04 PM
I'll need to hold onto my 'guya probably just in case.  Already have Take sitting there from an eternity ago so I have the "hard" parts if I ever get Ammy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 20, 2015, 12:31:09 AM
cat skillmaxed hype (http://imgur.com/Lw04xQ0)

I had three woodpys laying around and then Zeus Vulcan gave the last one I needed here. Not a bad gig.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 20, 2015, 01:04:56 AM
Max skill bastet is extremely useful.  Not the best active in the world, but works incredibly well with her leaderskill.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 20, 2015, 03:46:40 AM
I forgot how Zaerog works at the end of Dragon Rush so I just flailed through it with Ra without bothering to save a delay to stall out his resist if he got light resist. But he didn't so gooooood. Not paying attention triumphs again.

Also skillup boost soon please, I'm running out of box space storing shit that skills up other shit and I'm too greedy for Halloween eggs to be bothered to increase my box space.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 20, 2015, 08:25:27 AM
I typed up a comparison between two cards for curiosity's sake, peruse at your leisure.

I don't have Amaterasu, so I would run chibi lmeta + Amaterasu as a no dupe team.
I wonder if Xephyr will Awoken evo her. I guess he is running her as an Attacker Sub
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 20, 2015, 12:29:15 PM
Well damn, wish I would have got around to getting a Draggie. He's gonna be skilled up by dragon fruits.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 20, 2015, 12:39:45 PM
Well damn, wish I would have got around to getting a Draggie. He's gonna be skilled up by dragon fruits.

Oh cool. I love it when they do that. Now we just have a few materials left before everything has a skill. Between this and a possible niche on Awoken Susano it seems like it's really Draggie's time to shine.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 20, 2015, 12:54:56 PM
Zeus.

Suck it and give me my Py.

(http://imgur.com/qm11BK4.jpg)

Oh noooo how do I kill Sandalphon with Zaerog
everything I know is a liiiieeeee
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on October 20, 2015, 03:44:41 PM
Zeus.

Suck it and give me my Py.

(http://imgur.com/qm11BK4.jpg)

Oh noooo how do I kill Sandalphon with Zaerog
everything I know is a liiiieeeee

Sounds a job for the big dog.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 20, 2015, 03:53:37 PM
Sounds a job for the big dog.

Damn right (http://imgur.com/qGH01i8)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on October 20, 2015, 04:05:20 PM
Damn right (http://imgur.com/qGH01i8)

Did you un-ult him for the dungeon, or do you have more than one big dog?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 20, 2015, 04:13:37 PM
I un-ulted him, since he only needs things that are easy to obtain and I'll be able to reuvo him by Friday.

And fortunately his active skill doesn't change, so.

Edit: ayaaaaa I tried Dragon Rush. I made the mistake of using Persephone to down Threedia as soon as he appeared, only to be followed up by Fatty.
Fortunately, both Zaerog hastes brought Persephone's remaining turns from 7 to 5, which let me kill Fatty in time, but then I had no significant actives left to down the boss.

I'm considering using the dark Golem as an alternative to Dizzy. Five turn, but weaker damage reduction and more HP, while also quartering the defense of annoying enemies like Genbu and Fatty? Hell to the yeah.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 20, 2015, 09:01:40 PM
I just rechecked the first post, Athena is still marked as my secondary leader, pls change to glowing vishnu, tyvm.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 20, 2015, 09:19:11 PM
I'm considering using the dark Golem as an alternative to Dizzy. Five turn, but weaker damage reduction and more HP, while also quartering the defense of annoying enemies like Genbu and Fatty? Hell to the yeah.
Ah yeah, good that you mention it, we have Thuesday aswell so:
(http://i.imgur.com/50mhJlI.png)

SOON
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 20, 2015, 09:45:32 PM
One left...

(http://i.imgur.com/7XyHvvT.png) (http://i.imgur.com/zevAMtL.png) (http://i.imgur.com/3uRNe4H.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 21, 2015, 01:22:06 AM
I just rechecked the first post, Athena is still marked as my secondary leader, pls change to glowing vishnu, tyvm.
Might as well change mine too. I never use Nut as a leader and the moment Ra Dragon comes out I'll be hypermaxing him and cementing him in slot 1.

...although I still need 16 RCV eggs and 2 HP latents but close enough? <_<'
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 21, 2015, 08:24:13 AM
It's a beautiful day outside.
Birds are singing, flowers are blooming.

(http://i.imgur.com/equ4cul.png)

On days like these, devils like you...

(http://i.imgur.com/icphGyw.png)

s h o u l d  b e  b u r n i n g  i n  h e l l .
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 21, 2015, 10:49:34 AM
You don't know the meaning of ~life~ until Kagoogs is literally unable to defeat you as long as you match something per turn and doesn't get hit below 40℅.

(http://imgur.com/Mg606dZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 21, 2015, 12:45:54 PM
So I got a credit card a while back because I thought it'd be a good idea to use it to build credit and get reward points for shopping at certain places.

I had enough reward points to equate to enough Google Play funds for an 85-pack. I didn't want to spend all of it on Halloween...

(http://i.imgur.com/zv2sCP1.png)

So I didn't.

Final pulls from the REM unless I really get the urge to try for one of the golds:
Duperella
Thumbelina (new!)
Rei Sirius (clone which was then dumped into my LCL MP pool)
Amon (I sold him for MP ages ago, so I'm going to take this as a hint that I should keep this one in case his split ult/awoken is good. but still, I fuckin' hate archdemon skills...)
HIzanami (okay! now I just need T&S...)
HThoth and Sopdet (even the REM needs to give me a fuckin' break sometimes. The one I wanted most *_*)

And because I felt like I had a lucky streak to keep up:

Chibi DMeta (not a dupe, at least! And she has TPA, which makes her work better on dark TPA teams I suppose. But that lack of skill boost hurts.)
Wee Jas (also not a dupe! I'm cool with this)

I'm satisfied.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 21, 2015, 12:57:21 PM
Awoken Tsukuyomi is now a thing and I still don't have yomi,  :(

Still though, today was a fairly good day, I decided to run kagoogs mythical with vishnu completely forgetting that it was no awakenings (and so hanzo slaughtered me), then I tried again with AHorus but apparently running a rainbow team early in the morning when you're running on 5 hours of sleep isn't the best of ideas, who knew?

I 3-stonned the damn dungeon and got my one stone back, then I waited a little bit for my stamina to recharge, then I used vishnu to murder my way through the last stage of the tower of water and got a second stone, and a rank up. After spending 3 million coins and 4 runs to evo rush, I ended up dropping 1 dub-topalit and 4 Rainbow Keepers, and I'd say the actual resulting haul from that is...

(http://i.imgur.com/a9tncjh.png)(http://i.imgur.com/8zOf0Pd.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ZTxXmoS.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/4CjBoWa.png)

...pretty darn great,

(Oh, yeah, and I'm finally almost out of Tamadras. Good. They were clogging up my box.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 21, 2015, 01:20:24 PM
So I got a credit card a while back because I thought it'd be a good idea to use it to build credit and get reward points for shopping at certain places.

I had enough reward points to equate to enough Google Play funds for an 85-pack. I didn't want to spend all of it on Halloween...

(http://i.imgur.com/zv2sCP1.png)

So I didn't.

Final pulls from the REM unless I really get the urge to try for one of the golds:
Duperella
Thumbelina (new!)
Rei Sirius (clone which was then dumped into my LCL MP pool)
Amon (I sold him for MP ages ago, so I'm going to take this as a hint that I should keep this one in case his split ult/awoken is good. but still, I fuckin' hate archdemon skills...)
HIzanami (okay! now I just need T&S...)
HThoth and Sopdet (even the REM needs to give me a fuckin' break sometimes. The one I wanted most *_*)

And because I felt like I had a lucky streak to keep up:

Chibi DMeta (not a dupe, at least! And she has TPA, which makes her work better on dark TPA teams I suppose. But that lack of skill boost hurts.)
Wee Jas (also not a dupe! I'm cool with this)

I'm satisfied.

Fun. It's cool to not be unlucky sometimes.

I got my 500 day login bonus coming in a week, plus any stones I find from events and dungeons. Gonna dump it all into 3-4 more Halloween pulls and really keep my fingers crossed for Thoth And Sopdet. But even if I just get all fairy tail girls I'm walking away from this event reasonably happy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 21, 2015, 01:40:58 PM
...pretty darn great,

One of these is not like the others..... :V Joking aside, congrats!

You know, sometimes i really wish i could put Raphael in my Ronia team..... just to give the greatest middle finger ever to that godddamm orbtroll.

I just got spanked twice by Dragon Shogun and Divinegon in Zhao Yun's dungeon because the game doesn't see fit to drop 3 heal orbs in 4 turns even after 2 full board clears. I literally got killed because i couldn't heal a 6k hit with a Ronia team :X
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 21, 2015, 01:56:20 PM
One of these is not like the others..... :V Joking aside, congrats!

You know, sometimes i really wish i could put Raphael in my Ronia team..... just to give the greatest middle finger ever to that godddamm orbtroll.

I just got spanked twice by Dragon Shogun and Divinegon in Zhao Yun's dungeon because the game doesn't see fit to drop 3 heal orbs in 4 turns even after 2 full board clears. I literally got killed because i couldn't heal a 6k hit with a Ronia team :X

what are heal orbs and do I need them? (http://imgur.com/fUGKzrX)

It was truly the easiest 38 turns I've ever had against Zhao Yun
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 21, 2015, 02:10:31 PM
Is the giant white snake in Halloween Izanami's art a Mishaguji?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Aoshi-shi on October 21, 2015, 02:23:34 PM
Is the giant white snake in Halloween Izanami's art a Mishaguji?

I thought it was supposed to be Kagutsuchi?

Halloween yolo rolls:
Snow White
Chibi Luci

idk maybe Luci can be of use to me sometime later?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 21, 2015, 02:34:14 PM
I thought it was supposed to be Kagutsuchi?

Halloween yolo rolls:
Snow White
Chibi Luci

idk maybe Luci can be of use to me sometime later?

Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. I just didn't recognize him with his hat covered up by another hat. But now that I look closer he's definitely wearing that flaming headdress thing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Moogs Parfait on October 21, 2015, 02:58:37 PM
Awoken Ammy is the greatest thing but I still hate combo shields.

At least I can farm Halloween and Honorable Dragon relatively stress free now. Hallo Alraune will be a great alt to Beach Pandora.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 21, 2015, 03:12:36 PM
Pulled just one more because I felt lucky. Hello, the second Halloween Izanami. I wanted two of you. :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 21, 2015, 03:18:33 PM
wow i suck at ayomi

also his rcv is so bad like jesus

not having haku or satsuki or a leveled zaerog probably doesnt help though
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 21, 2015, 03:29:04 PM
I hope chibi yomi gets an awoken version too. :|
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 21, 2015, 04:11:00 PM
satsuki or a leveled zaerog probably doesnt help though

Well, Satsuki doesn't really bring RCV to the board :V Pandora and Persephone, on top of AHaku, can fix this  :ohdear: (though Persephone might make the board too dark heavy)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: triangles on October 21, 2015, 04:20:36 PM
Awoken Ammy is the greatest thing but I still hate combo shields.

At least I can farm Halloween and Honorable Dragon relatively stress free now. Hallo Alraune will be a great alt to Beach Pandora.
Holy moley is Awoken Ammy silly with my LMeta team.   HP boost + orb match recover = rofl rofl
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 21, 2015, 04:31:56 PM
throw in some latent RCV+ on Ammy and watch chaos ensue
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Moogs Parfait on October 21, 2015, 06:47:28 PM
I don't like Lmeta +Ammy as much as double Ammy.  I like phoenixing from anything with >15,000 heal every turn.

There are a lot of preemptive attacks in the game, but now I am a walking damage per turn gate .
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 21, 2015, 06:49:49 PM
I hope chibi yomi gets an awoken version too. :|
Sadly I think we are both screwed on the front of chibis we want ults for...I'd love to see what they added to a miniROdin ult, haha.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 21, 2015, 07:08:41 PM
I don't like Lmeta +Ammy as much as double Ammy.  I like phoenixing from anything with >15,000 heal every turn.

There are a lot of preemptive attacks in the game, but now I am a walking damage per turn gate .

The good news for light healer teams is that we're (ostensibly) getting the FF collab finally, which means you have a shot at Yuna.

I'd love to see what they added to a miniROdin ult, haha.

Three more TPAs!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 21, 2015, 07:20:50 PM
What does Yuna do again that light healers would want her?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 21, 2015, 07:21:53 PM
Light healers really need a good multi turn shield like Diza or aSusano

or baggi :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 21, 2015, 07:29:46 PM
What does Yuna do again that light healers would want her?

Two SBRs, nice stats, active is a 50% shield + haste on a 9-turn cooldown.

May or may not be a better option than Ganesha, but definitely a better option than Sandy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 21, 2015, 07:34:47 PM
Two SBRs, nice stats, active is a 50% shield + haste on a 9-turn cooldown.

May or may not be a better option than Ganesha, but definitely a better option than Sandy.

I'm unsure that the haste beats the two turns of 2x attack.

I hope chibi yomi gets an awoken version too. :|

Impossible. Chibi yomi is the d/l ult, which means reversing to a prior form is impossible.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 21, 2015, 07:47:11 PM
I'm unsure that the haste beats the two turns of 2x attack.

I agree that 2x damage > haste, but you'll almost never get to use it optimally.  If you're bringing damage reduction into a dungeon you'll be using it for that purpose; that's by and large my entire experience with using Sandalphon.  I'd much rather have Yuna and, say, Arcline than Sandalphon and something else except in extremely specific circumstances.  The haste, at least, has pretty general appeal.

Quote
Impossible. Chibi yomi is the d/l ult, which means reversing to a prior form is impossible.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR RULES
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 21, 2015, 07:54:20 PM
Plus, haven't we already established a long time ago that a 2-turn boost isn't actually much better than a 1-turn boost since for the most part you'll be blowing all your actives in the first turn anyway?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: hyorinryu on October 21, 2015, 08:22:40 PM
Plus, haven't we already established a long time ago that a 2-turn boost isn't actually much better than a 1-turn boost since for the most part you'll be blowing all your actives in the first turn anyway?

Depends on your team. A lot of teams nowadays don't blow more than 1 or two actives for damage. Heroes can burst down consecuttive bosses pretty easily provided they don't run out of ammo. I'm pretty sure bastet can do something simlar. Pre-Awoken Norse are pretty underrated IMO. The biggest problem was that a lot of these teams didn't need a boost, especially when stuff was highly plussed. Tbh, a healer team could take advantage of Sandalphon if they had the changers for it. If Apollo had gotten healer, they'd have been really happy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Moogs Parfait on October 21, 2015, 08:29:33 PM
I use Sandy lately, I bring 2 changers, Valk and DQ, and I don't use them at the same time.

Of course I also bring Sun Quan, 4 turns of 2x is pretty great, I just wish Sandy had better awokens.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 21, 2015, 11:43:25 PM
Plus, haven't we already established a long time ago that a 2-turn boost isn't actually much better than a 1-turn boost since for the most part you'll be blowing all your actives in the first turn anyway?

It's true, but this was more of a case of having boost at all vs none. I personally use Medjedra more for an ATK boost than a shield overall I think, so I think it might be case-specific.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 22, 2015, 12:21:42 AM
I got tired of Fatty dragon and his shit so I fielded Hysferzen for the first time... Despite Hysferzen having no awakenings and being level 44.

(http://imgur.com/BObIILl.jpg)

Which worked out because I got yet another Fatty appearance. Whelp.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on October 22, 2015, 06:07:10 AM
PAD event update "The Forum Is Back Up" edition:

-- Elia/Grisar (that's how they're translated) are here
-- Nordis on Friday
-- another ??????? on Nov. 2 (I'm expecting Legelonte because it's paired with Zhou Yu (a conditional) in the lineup)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 22, 2015, 09:06:16 AM
A b o u t  t i m e

edit:
[06:31:20] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> oh god damn it NO
[06:31:33] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> updating to android 6.0 and
[06:31:40] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> the lag bug is STILL THERE
[06:31:51] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> and I have no backdoor around it now
[06:32:06] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> WHY HAVEN'T THEY FIXED THIS YET IT HAS BEEN HALF A YEAR NOW

i swear to god this better not be a problem on the nexus 5X as well when it gets here for me this is utterly infuriating (and game-breaking)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 22, 2015, 01:53:48 PM
Ugh Isis just doesnt have enough power to clear rushes consistently *coughbuffwaveplscough*. If I don't get lucky with good board, stuff always survives with tiny slivers of life to kill me.

I guess this is where Awoken Yomi comes in, but I'm worried about Zaerog's stupid absorb in dragon rush
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 22, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
I'm worried about that too. I feel like it's just a coin flip.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 22, 2015, 03:55:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/9QGtez6.jpg)

Coin flip was in my favor.

Yomi. STRONG.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 22, 2015, 04:58:03 PM
wow god rush was just melted by ayomi

rip isis *sigh*
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on October 22, 2015, 08:32:06 PM
I probably want more +eggs just to make this a little bit safer, but :toot:

(http://i.imgur.com/oe1QgJRl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/oe1QgJR.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/YSQUQdnl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/YSQUQdn.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 22, 2015, 10:54:14 PM
So, uh, how do I beat Nordis? Gabe can't do it because I can't burst Tornado Holy Dragon followed closely by Threedia, Ra can't do it because I don't think he can do 17.5 million damage in two attacks with reduced levels, and Verdandi can't do it because she's already not great and this dungeon hoses wood. Is this the point where I just can't clear new content any more? I guess a black team with a bind clear could probably do it very reasonably, but I don't have that right now.

But at least I can clear old content, so Challenge Descended 100% cleared. Just in time for the next wave of shit to do. Neat.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 22, 2015, 11:52:43 PM
Ra should be fine. You have SQ active to pretty much negate the 50% shield.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 23, 2015, 12:17:23 AM
How plausible is it to just slug it out with Meimei and ride on that damage resist? I've still got Susano for backup, GZL for the super kings.

Nothing seems too difficult; the worst thing is that none of my members have +Egg investment like my dark and light teams do.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 23, 2015, 12:59:06 AM
Ra should be fine. You have SQ active to pretty much negate the 50% shield.

If I hit him to ~20% health will he have to use Brave Resistance before he can attack me, or will he skip straight to Last Belief? If he has to waste time dispelling my buff or using gravity, which I think is how it works, then I can do it. Maybe. I did the math on it just now, and on average I drop him to around 20% with a common Kali board and max levels. I don't want to take the time to figure out how being underleveled effects this, but it might still work if I can conserve enough actives.

Edit: Got enough stones for one more foolish Halloween pull, saw a silver egg and got excited (lol) and...

-Izanami

God dammit, I don't want to complain about getting such a great monster, but seriously, that's three now. Give me the thing I actually want for the same rarity plz.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 23, 2015, 01:40:01 AM
I've been a bit quiet recently but.

(http://i.imgur.com/ML1mOWp.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 23, 2015, 08:58:43 AM
I like where these buffs are going.
Please make Sleeping Beauty bind immun!!

Also, I&I ability now last for 2 turns, that makes it even better  :]
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 23, 2015, 09:05:39 AM
I like where these buffs are going.
Please make Sleeping Beauty bind immun!!

Also, I&I ability now last for 2 turns, that makes it even better  :]

I think it'll follow.

I'm personally most interested in DMeta's buff, LZL's buff, and RGY's buff.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 23, 2015, 09:56:28 AM
DMeta is definitely intriguing me here. I hope this is what they'll do with all HP conditionals instead of it being all or nothing.

But awoken Norse getting 2 turns is pleasing to me, too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 23, 2015, 10:50:35 AM
you mean
I might be able to use +297 LZL as a lead one day?

Wat.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 23, 2015, 10:53:45 AM
you mean
I might be able to use +297 LZL as a lead one day?

Wat.

He's gonna be x25 at full HP and x6.25 when NOT at full HP, versus x16 at full HP and x1 when not at full HP, so probably!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 23, 2015, 11:10:45 AM
He's already 20.25x at full HP, but this is just objectively better in every way. I'm so down for it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 23, 2015, 11:41:28 AM
This is the best pal point event ever! Every single drop is useful, everything drops evolved (?), and it has high king/super king rates. I'm probably going to stop feeding piis to my hero gods at this rate, I'll just plan on finishing them with this event. And there's not even a price hike! I would gladly pay 500 pal points a pull for this. A+, would make friends again.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 23, 2015, 11:55:27 AM
No Kings or supers yet, bit a few Pengdras.  Also am only missing Shardra from the toydragon set so if I ever decide I wanna use em they're there.

Lily of course in her one appearance was a troll, but eh.  Same with Valk. Melon gained a SLv which is fun I guess, and then there's Chiyome FINALLY getting off her base cooldown.  Shoyld be fun times ahead, definitely.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 23, 2015, 12:03:26 PM
Oh my gods this challenge level 9

Everything in it is pretty easy. Threedia is kinda scary but I have turn 1 Persephone so Zaerog Infinity can kill it right off the bat.

Nothing else was of particular interest until the boss, Maleficent Zaerog, who decided to use the dark absorb three times in a row. I had to pop Dizanami, of course, but I also had to pop every haste I had multiple times to let Dizzy keep up with the four turn cycles.

Fuck that guy. At least I know that I can outlive it for a while, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 23, 2015, 03:59:24 PM
Hmm I was waiting for the buffs to help me decide who to sell for Ra dragon

and I'm not sure this buff is very convincing for me to not sell Dmeta :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 23, 2015, 04:39:30 PM
I've been uh... foolish in my magic stone usage  recently, 3-stoning Zera and pulling again in the Hallooween REM (which got me a Baal, gdi).

At least I'm close to my 600 days bonus, I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 23, 2015, 06:51:51 PM
So what are Elia and Grisar? Where do you get them and how?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 23, 2015, 06:54:43 PM
So what are Elia and Grisar? Where do you get them and how?

They're total badasses with a massive skillup requirement.

They are invade-only monsters, and appear at certain times of the day.  Right now they're in Takeminakata's dungeon and should be appearing in whatever the daily descend(s) are going forward.  Check PDX for specific dates.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 23, 2015, 07:16:50 PM
Huh. Interesting. Normal invade rates then? Will we see them during all/most events, or are they only up rarely? Are there other monsters available in the same format?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 23, 2015, 07:21:19 PM
Moreover, are jewel invades still open during other events?

I still need dark jewels up the wazoo...

It seems very worth the effort to use Elia for Kirin; I suppose Grisal is useful enough to use on Zaerog, though his cd is only one shorter than Persephone as is.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Thaws on October 23, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
Just a word on how they worked in jp.
They only invade on myth or extreme.
Expect like a 10% invade rate on myth.
Who invades alternates every 8 hours.

Jewel events still happen but they won't happen with elia/grisar together
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 23, 2015, 07:32:31 PM
People who are stoning to do hundreds of runs on Take right now are experiencing about 10% invade rates on Mythical, so expect a lot of Not Fun(tm) if you're trying to skill them without Pys.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 23, 2015, 09:41:52 PM
did it, finally. I accomplished something!

(http://i.imgur.com/vo6lPTQ.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Moogs Parfait on October 23, 2015, 11:03:08 PM
People who are stoning to do hundreds of runs on Take right now are experiencing about 10% invade rates on Mythical, so expect a lot of Not Fun(tm) if you're trying to skill them without Pys.

This sounds like it's more efficient to run alt dungeons...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 24, 2015, 01:18:03 AM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V9wLTQOm0Sk/Virb4-tpsiI/AAAAAAAACzA/g1urguUN8tw/w385-h684-no/15%2B-%2B1)

toot, 0-stone

gungho pem when so i can use him
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Aoshi-shi on October 24, 2015, 02:31:47 AM
She's here!!  :toot:

(http://i.imgur.com/NzYmcxq.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 24, 2015, 03:16:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/I423jRh.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/ag5uplf.png)

It is done.

Took four tries, but it's done.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on October 24, 2015, 03:21:23 AM
Posting this here before the stream ends just so I'm first: remember when FF music/backgrounds were found in the EU data?

FF was confirmed on stream tonight, as well as Ultimate Arena. Our next batch of ultimates is also Ame no Uzume, Osiris, and Nut.

:kefkalaugh.ogg:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 24, 2015, 03:25:37 AM
we koofka now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 24, 2015, 05:10:40 AM
The King is dead.

(http://i.imgur.com/5GlLIK9.png) (http://i.imgur.com/MVVWRar.png) (http://i.imgur.com/0IBOdDv.png) (http://i.imgur.com/QnjdHgZ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/VGszV67.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/qQ1N4t3.png) (http://i.imgur.com/PUQgJ7j.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 24, 2015, 11:12:45 AM
Posting this here before the stream ends just so I'm first: remember when FF music/backgrounds were found in the EU data?

FF was confirmed on stream tonight, as well as Ultimate Arena.

...... why is my wallet suddenly about 60$ lighter?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 24, 2015, 01:18:58 PM
Hmm, not sure what to do today. I could clear challenges 7-8-9, I could farm Diagoldos fishing for invades, or I could clear out some more coin dungeons to get some more stones to get another Halloween egg. Hmmm....


By the way, did another pull this morning.

-Cinderella

Yeah, I suppose that's fair. Only my second fairy tale girl this event after all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 24, 2015, 02:02:19 PM
The King is dead.

All hail queen Alraune
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 24, 2015, 04:16:26 PM
All hail queen Alraune

Don't forget King Woodsie, he was the real mvp
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 24, 2015, 04:36:09 PM
yo but Nordis is so cooool. Unlike Zaerog Infinity who does all these asshole things like "Six combos or you go to hell!, Nordis is all honorable and stuff, calling you a rival and respecting how you got to him.

Not that I'm fangirling over a fictional dragon from a mobile phone game or anything
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 24, 2015, 04:42:02 PM
Not that I'm fangirling over a fictional dragon from a mobile phone game or anything

Dragons are the best thing that has ever been created by humans in fantasy settings. You are allowed to fangirl.

I just kinda wish Gungho would actually write short stories about these characters, they seem like they have so much potential, even Zaerog with his bullshit "yo bitch i know that this is a game and if you don't do 6 combos well fuck you"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 24, 2015, 05:34:00 PM
So uh does anyone know how getting fat chocobo works? Do they have to be loaded on the same device or does it give you a code?

because I can't run the FF portal app on my ipod :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 24, 2015, 05:42:12 PM
Dragons are the best thing that has ever been created by humans in fantasy settings. You are allowed to fangirl.

I just kinda wish Gungho would actually write short stories about these characters, they seem like they have so much potential, even Zaerog with his bullshit "yo bitch i know that this is a game and if you don't do 6 combos well fuck you"

Why wait for GH to write one, do it yourself!

So uh does anyone know how getting fat chocobo works? Do they have to be loaded on the same device or does it give you a code?

because I can't run the FF portal app on my ipod :fail:

You can run pad on an ipod???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 24, 2015, 05:52:20 PM
It's a 4th gen ipod touch, which can only go up to iOS 6.1.6

FF app needs 7 or higher...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Janitor Morgan on October 24, 2015, 06:15:39 PM
I just kinda wish Gungho would actually write short stories about these characters, they seem like they have so much potential, even Zaerog with his bullshit "yo bitch i know that this is a game and if you don't do 6 combos well fuck you"

There actually is some sort of story involving Gadius, Typhon, Ilm, Zuoh, Aamir, Scarlet, and Indigo, but it's all in Japanese so I'm not quite sure of the details.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 24, 2015, 07:18:48 PM
yo but Nordis is so cooool. Unlike Zaerog Infinity who does all these asshole things like "Six combos or you go to hell!, Nordis is all honorable and stuff, calling you a rival and respecting how you got to him while kicking you ass.

Added the detail you forgot  :V

As for ministories, on the PDX pages of some cards there are a few written by some players, one of the most known is between Odin and Amaterasu.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 24, 2015, 07:30:24 PM
all i need are a few more rcv +eggs to hypermax ra dragon

so of course i get like 2 rcv eggs like 15 others
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 24, 2015, 08:02:14 PM
It's a 4th gen ipod touch, which can only go up to iOS 6.1.6

FF app needs 7 or higher...

The only alternative I can think of, should it need both to be on the same device, is to maybe get someone to pop your account on their device and have them get it for you, but I don't know if there's a device limit on the handout or what.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 24, 2015, 08:03:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eTo9riT.png)

soon


(http://i.imgur.com/qFBbEpK.png)

Soon.


(http://i.imgur.com/yZlACeB.png)

SOON.



(http://i.imgur.com/bwCB17w.png)



also is it possible to transfer games you have on the portal app from one phone to the other? I got FF1 while it was free but it's making me buy it on my new phone which is p lame yo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 24, 2015, 08:17:06 PM
so after i dont know how many runs I finally have enough +eggs...

to +296 Ra Dragon

:colonveeplusalpha:  :colonveeplusalpha:  :colonveeplusalpha:  :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 24, 2015, 08:26:00 PM
I decided to run Diagoldos with Zaerog to see if he could get past the dumb shit that is Flare Drall and GED.

Diagoldos dropped as a +Egg though so it was worth it.  (http://imgur.com/qJEiorj)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 24, 2015, 08:32:03 PM
Finally beat Diagoldos...on Legen.(yeah I had not done that yet, RIP maining water)

I think Karin can do this on Mythical too, it'll just be harder, of course.  Gotta capitalize on the wood HP bars when I get past the nightmare Shieldras, but I can do it.  (If Ilya shows up I dont know whether it'll be better or worse, unless it's wave 2 where it'll be a guaranteed improvement of course)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 24, 2015, 08:58:00 PM
Finally beat Diagoldos...on Legen.(yeah I had not done that yet, RIP maining water)

I think Karin can do this on Mythical too, it'll just be harder, of course.  Gotta capitalize on the wood HP bars when I get past the nightmare Shieldras, but I can do it.  (If Ilya shows up I dont know whether it'll be better or worse, unless it's wave 2 where it'll be a guaranteed improvement of course)

I'll tell you what I tell everybody who mains water and wants to do Diagoldos: Bring a Gabriel friend. Gabriel loves shieldras.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 24, 2015, 09:32:51 PM
There actually is some sort of story involving Gadius, Typhon, Ilm, Zuoh, Aamir, Scarlet, and Indigo, but it's all in Japanese so I'm not quite sure of the details.

I am aware, I believe I posted it here before, but the story is really barebones. It's basically just Gadius and Typhon going in a "good vs evil" crusade against Zuoh while passing through the territories of Scarlet, Indigo and Aamir, where Aamir tries to seduce them :V

It also states that the dark thing behind Scarlet in her artwork is actually Zuoh. And I don't think Ilm was even mentioned in the story so far. It also says something like "so their endeavours through Scarlet's and Indigo's territories unsealed the japanese dragon callers now go get them in the REM".

Like I said, barebones.

Why wait for GH to write one, do it yourself!

Maybe? I mean I do have a few headcanons, but I don't exactly know if my writing would be even remotely half-decent towards actually putting them on paper :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 24, 2015, 10:21:13 PM
I'll tell you what I tell everybody who mains water and wants to do Diagoldos: Bring a Gabriel friend. Gabriel loves shieldras.
Tempting...  (much)Lower power, but the ultratankiness could be the tipping point.  If a doubleAKarin run fails I might take you up on that.

EDIT:
(http://i.imgur.com/cqZxh2l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ssUtH9I.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Mr5RgzG.jpg)

Nevermind, easy-peasy.

BONUS:
(http://i.imgur.com/GyGlOEn.jpg)

I want Ilya more, but this guy'll totally be sweet for DMeta so I'll take it!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 25, 2015, 01:55:22 AM
It also states that the dark thing behind Scarlet in her artwork is actually Zuoh. And I don't think Ilm was even mentioned in the story so far.

Incorrect on both counts.

Scarlet simply just has a good relationship with Zuoh, the beast behind her is probably one of Zuoh's underlings, NOT Zuoh himself, as in her attacks it is just labelled as 魔獣 instead of 黒魔獣. Ilm is actually mentioned in the story as being the one who gave Indigo her tome, which allows her to summon Belial (and possibly Amon, who is also an Archdemon) to be her bodyguard.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 25, 2015, 02:50:38 AM
The version of the story I saw specficially mentioned that the black beast behind Scarlet was Zuoh himself, so that was probably incorrect.

And granted, my memory on Ilm was pretty hazy, I didn't remember him having a large role at all so I just thought he wasn't mentioned.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Edible on October 25, 2015, 03:03:01 AM
Puzzles And Fanfiction About Dragons
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 25, 2015, 03:17:40 AM
In my fanfiction Gabriel and I are totally buddies and we hang out all the time and he thinks I'm super cool, and he gives me a Gabriel Signal Watch so if I see Lex Luthor robbing a bank during my job as a boy reporter I can call him to come help me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 25, 2015, 03:50:43 AM
My friend has a headcanon about how Pompompurin fights. It revolves around LZL hurling Big Dog in the face of whatever boss they're up against, where Big Dog then, uhh, farts in their face a la Iggy from JJBA.

I still have memories of Athena doing enough damage to kill the Mystic Masks, but too much damage to also kill the TAMADRA that I need to stall on during Kouryuu, so she's a loose cannon cop with nothing to lose for me.

Archangels v1 and Archangels v2 are actually stereotypical frat boys and sorority girls. Though Gabriel and Famiel are in a relationship, Famiel likes to hangout a lot with the foreign Sachi Bros.

The Chinese pantheon are actually just the magical girl forms of normal high school students. Sakuya made a wish to a strange cat-like creature because she lamented how her L/G form wasn't strong enough to protect her friends.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Chaore on October 25, 2015, 03:53:18 AM
The Chinese pantheon are actually just the magical girl forms of normal high school students. Sakuya made a wish to a strange cat-like creature because she lamented how her L/G form wasn't strong enough to protect her friends.

Sounds about right.

wait what do you mean glass houses
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: trancehime on October 25, 2015, 04:08:04 AM
The Chinese pantheon are actually just the magical girl forms of normal high school students. Sakuya made a wish to a strange cat-like creature because she lamented how her L/G form wasn't strong enough to protect her friends.

Pazudora Magi Magica Sakuya?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 25, 2015, 04:15:14 AM
when a China girl runs out of hope, they turn into the incarnation of despair

chibi, silver egg china girls

Edit
(http://imgur.com/5NciNNm.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 25, 2015, 07:43:31 AM
Since we're doing fanfiction and the thread needs more content other than clear screenshots,

Quote from: IRC
Oct 16 23:58:13 <jq1790>   Chirei:  Out of curiosity, how do you reconcile the fact that both Alraunes stem from the same Dryad/Mandrake/un-ult'd-Alraune?  Do you have a specific headcanon to work around that, or do you simply ignore the previous forms and focus just on the two ults?

Oct 17 00:00:01 <Chirei>
The two Alraunes are sisters. The G/G one is the older sister named Donna, and the G/L one is the younger sister named Bella. Donna doesn't move much from the world tree, but her younger sister is busy traveling the world with some strange individual, helping him conquer various parts of the multiverse.

Oct 17 00:01:43 <Chirei>
The strange individual known as the Overlord raised her from a little dryad as if she was his own kid, and she became incredibly strong in the process. It is said that even the most powerful beings scattered across the universe are starting to take note of this development...

Oct 17 00:06:56 <Chirei>
This started a gigantic uproar throughout the ranks of the supreme onlookers, wondering how a simple girl like Bella could acquire power that rivals even the gods, and then wondered how much more powerful this "Overlord" himself was. Some claimed to have approached him personally about it, but when responding, he merely said, "I'm just an unremarkable traveler passing by..."
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 25, 2015, 12:55:07 PM
I was figuring that would show up here eventually given the way the thread was going.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 25, 2015, 01:07:30 PM
[09:02:24] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> oh my god.
[09:02:32] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> gungho is officially the worst fucking company
[09:02:55] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> so I've been trying to get this lag issue resolved with support once and for all
[09:03:10] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> after first message: >okay but did you do data recovery
[09:03:19] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> response: yes, of COURSE I did
[09:03:42] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> second message: >okay but did you install the latest PAD update
[09:04:18] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> response: obviously, because I keep hoping you idiots would fix the problem I brought to you IN DETAIL SIX MONTHS AGO
[09:05:01] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> and that I had only managed to survive through by using the nuplayer -> awesomeplayer switch in developer options, at the price of the game taking 20 seconds to load
[09:05:22] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> third message: >please be reminded that using third party programs is strictly prohibited
[09:05:28] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> oh really
[09:05:33] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> of all the things I've said to you
[09:05:49] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> me changing a setting WITHIN ANDROID TO FIX THE PROBLEM YOU NEVER FIXED
[09:06:01] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> is apparently prohibited
[09:06:08] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> not that android 6 even HAS that option
[09:06:15] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> WHICH I ALREADY MENTIONED TO THEM
[09:06:21] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> HOW UNHELPFUL CAN YOU GET


EDIT: My newest response:
Re: music loop lag:
Of all the things I've explained to you, you're accusing me of illicit third party programs? I ***changed a setting within Android settings***. To fix a major problem that I brought to you SIX MONTHS AGO but you ultimately ignored. Don't worry, that setting's not in Android 6. PLEASE do something. It'd be nice to get a real answer here instead of these scripted responses.




Now they've REALLY pissed me off. I'm going to annoy them EVERY. FUCKING. DAY. from now on until they fix this. AND I'm going to be sending a full email to the GungHo support department now. Ball's in your court now, motherfuckers.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 25, 2015, 02:40:05 PM
Oh right I guess I shoulda posted(since there are some people here who dont go on the IRC, WHICH THEY SHOULD DO)that after like half a grand in stamina poured into it I finally downed Zhao Yun last night.  The mistakes were all mine, but the experience has really made me hate that dungeon with the fury of a thousand angry suns.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Suikama on October 25, 2015, 03:21:30 PM
What the fuck Dragon Rush is fucking piece of shit luckfest

Literally LIGHT SKYFALLED TO HEAL HIM TO 1 HP ON THE FINAL HIT
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 25, 2015, 03:58:12 PM
Oh right I guess I shoulda posted(since there are some people here who dont go on the IRC, WHICH THEY SHOULD DO)that after like half a grand in stamina poured into it I finally downed Zhao Yun last night.  The mistakes were all mine, but the experience has really made me hate that dungeon with the fury of a thousand angry suns.

Ah yes, "worst dungeon". I know it well. Fuck Zhao Yun. Seriously.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on October 25, 2015, 04:07:05 PM
The only alternative I can think of, should it need both to be on the same device, is to maybe get someone to pop your account on their device and have them get it for you, but I don't know if there's a device limit on the handout or what.
There's no device limit, but...
Quote from: Game Data Transfer Guide
Transferred Game Data will not be able to issue a new Device Change Code for 30 days.

This is what's holding me off from transferring my account to my iPad and making use of $50 worth of "free" iTunes credit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 25, 2015, 04:15:07 PM
Ah yes, "worst dungeon". I know it well. Fuck Zhao Yun. Seriously.
I might not have disliked it so much if it weren't all player error, haha.  Thw dungeon really is "simple" for me because I resist most of the trouble spots and can either delay(Twin Star Divinegon) or nuke(first floor if I domt get a good board naturally, same for second) the rest.

Fake edit:
Re: data transfer
Is there an equivalent of the Android Data Migration for iOS?  That has no delay on when you can swap between devices; I use it all the time when I go to cons since I dont bring my tablet and so I dont miss login bonuses.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: commandercool on October 25, 2015, 05:58:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/jsXsyAz.png)

Neat. I'm gonna do him with Badpiis, I can't be bothered to farm skillups. Now I have to pay attention to the rotation so I can spend my stamina effectively trying to get Elia as well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 26, 2015, 05:06:16 AM
Was trying to do some coin dungeons for stones, and my want for bff points caused me to go into Blue Bowl Mythical with the incorrect friend leader.

(http://i.imgur.com/axQo8vJ.png)

Two runs later, I accidentally select Mythical again.

(http://i.imgur.com/45U1T4D.png)

tricolor strong
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Jq1790 on October 26, 2015, 06:08:02 AM
GOD RUSH ALL-CLEAR!

(http://i.imgur.com/MmOe6zW.jpg)

It might be the easiest of the Rush stages, but it's my first Legend Plus, so I'm still freaking excited!  The last fight was hairy as heeeeck even WITH my resists.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Dorakyura on October 26, 2015, 08:45:47 AM
GOD RUSH ALL-CLEAR!

(http://i.imgur.com/MmOe6zW.jpg)

It might be the easiest of the Rush stages, but it's my first Legend Plus, so I'm still freaking excited!  The last fight was hairy as heeeeck even WITH my resists.

Congratz, Karin looks so happy  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: Espadas on October 26, 2015, 09:59:44 AM
Congratz, Karin looks so happy  :V

I'll have the same look when i get Zhou Yu and actually GET A.Karin  :derp:
And also when i'll finally clear my first Rush myself  :ohdear:

Anyway, congrats Jq! Don't know if you rushed to clear the rush but i bet it was a rush  :V
*dodge randomly flying bricks*
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread 24: Attack On Big Flamie
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 26, 2015, 11:17:19 AM
thread done, i'm takin this one