Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: NekoNekoRex on July 30, 2015, 03:58:26 AM
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THE REBEL FLEET HAS REACHED SECTOR 5: MANTIS HOMEWORLDS
"You've entered a poorly charted area of space that's known to be home to the Mantis. Ensure your hull plating is up to scratch and that you have enough fuel in the tank to make it through."
The Combat Cycle will end sometime August 1st
It takes 3 ships firing on the same ship to destroy it.
Active Captains:
Darkninja
Patorikku
Conqueror
Serela
ActionDan
The Rebel Fleet will reach the last remaining Federation Stronghold in TWO (2) SECTORS.
Previous Battlemaps
Sector 1 (Civilian Sector) Battlemaps: Start (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198140.html#msg1198140), 1 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198347.html#msg1198347), 2 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198541.html#msg1198541), 3 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198606.html#msg1198606), 4 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198729.html#msg1198729), 5 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198839.html#msg1198839), 6 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198910.html#msg1198910), 7 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198942.html#msg1198942), End (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1199064.html#msg1199064)
Sector 2 (Uncharted Nebula) Battlemaps: Start (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1199317.html#msg1199317), 1 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1199807.html#msg1199807), 2 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1200087.html#msg1200087), 3 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1200236.html#msg1200236), 4 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1200299.html#msg1200299), End (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1200346.html#msg1200346)
Sectpr 3 (Zoltan Controlled) Battlemaps: Start (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1200656.html#msg1200656), End (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1201450.html#msg1201450)
Sector 4 (Abandoned) Battlemaps: Start (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1201802.html#msg1201802), End (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1202387.html#msg1202387)
Sector 5 (Mantis Homeworld) Battlemaps: Start, End (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18719.msg1202879.html#msg1202879)
Sector 6 (Slug Home Nebula) Battlemaps: Start (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18719.msg1202942.html#msg1202942)
Destroyed Ships:
Sector 1:
--Zakeri of The Kruos, Rebel Universal Backup
--SB of The Ariolimax, Rebel Hijacker
Sector 2:
--Raitaki of The Auto-Scout, Rebel Tracker
--Shalako of The Adjudicator, Federation Governor
Sector 3:
--SkyPaladin of The Torus, Federation Roleblocker
Sector 4:
--Dorian, of The Elite Rebel Fighter, Rebel JOAT
--Shadoweh, of The Bulwark, Rebel Heroic Bodyguard
Sector 5:
--Serela of The Bravais, Rebel Vengeful
--Patorikku of The Basilisk, Rebel 1-Shot Vig
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what was I posting before
I remember it was important
oh yes
The Rebel Fleet will reach the last remaining Federation Stronghold in TWO (2) SECTORS.
Could we have a non-flavory version of this statement? It's mildly confusing D: I'm not entirely sure if NNR means today is lylo? I assume this indicates it's a day after tomorrow but then it seems like a mildly goofy announcement so I want to make sure, etc.
Also I'd like a confirmation no votes are in play, since drones have existed before, etc
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It is not currently SYMLO. There are no votes currently in play.
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With that confirmed,
##Vote ActionDan
I'll glance over Conq at some point (not tonight; it's midnight already) with flipped scum interactions in mind but I'm not expecting to see anything so strong it changes my mind. Still, it's best to do it.
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I'm fairly certain he means that once these next two days are done, regardless of the result, the game has to end then. Next day cycle is guaranteed lylo since we no longer have any protective abilities on the field.
I'm reading over interactions with Serela and the scumteam, as well as Dan with the scumteam. They're my remaining scumreads, and while I'm leaning more to Serela, I want to get this lynch right this time.
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friendly reminder Shalako made a case on me for things Raitaki did and didn't notice for like an entire page whilst everyone was going like "uhhhh what" and starting to vote him >.>
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For now, while I'm reading through the entirety of the game to see if I can come up with bloody well anything, I want to ask, based primarily off of each other's metas, how you feel everyone else is playing. Anything that's particularly scummy off of anyone that you can recall that can't be handwaived as role-related reasons or anything like that? I recall mention by someone that Serela has done some batshit insane stuff while still being town, so... I dunno, whatever helps.
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This was what I had typed up, because I initially thought we've won and Dorian is claiming scum. Will lynch Serela first, case later.
https://youtu.be/6YMPAH67f4o
Cue applause, although it was a loss for your team, Dorian, I seriously admire your tenacity and your dedication to not throw the towel until all hope was lost. That coupled with Serela's crazy antics, nearly swayed me to divert my attention elsewhere. But I reread your D1 and D2 and basically went like, 'oh well, still have overall stronger scumvibes from him. would rather lynch him first'.
Also you are getting way too ambitious at your last push on Serela :v , we all know how competent a player you are, and that was a very hard nail on the coffin which sealed my vote, at least
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You know Dorian, even if you were looking to be lynched, you shouldn't have self-hammered since it was far from certain and there was still some discussion going on. And maybe Shadoweh would have something to say, I dunno. >_>
Seriously though self-hammers are ass, don't do them.
Serela, for now can you answer my question to you on the last page of the previous thread?
Actual reading of the game will have to wait for tomorrow. I've spent so much recent time skimming games that doing an actual reread feels like walking through molasses. Doesn't help that this game is the longest in recent times.
@Patorikku I've said stuff about Dan's meta but if you want I can elaborate more tomorrow. However this is my first mafia game in a while so my meta could be outdated. Serela is best described as unpredictable I think, notoriously in zombies apocalypse mafia he self-hammered in lylo...as town.
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@Conq: You don't want to make any mention of DNA? I've felt he's been playing town, but that's purely off of reads I've been constructing this game alone. Even outdated meta is enough for me to come up with something.
Almost done reading D1 interactions between scum and scum candidates. There are quite a few dank memes back there, though.
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Tldr from yesterday because Dorian selfhammered;
Serela is opportunistic and messy, but he has the benfit of doubt because 1.somewhat suspicious scum safeclaim Poe
2.Dorian is doing even worse at being a messy player
3.Serela was inputting significantly more effort than Dorian it seems more towny than scum at that point given scum would feel apathetic for two lynches on teammates in a row
Most of everything from yesterday against Serela still stands; messy and sudden 180 degrees change of heart on claiming. Loud, obnoxious but lack of analysis. Also, Serela, can you not get more obvious to line up your lynches?
With that confirmed,
##Vote ActionDan
I'll glance over Conq at some point (not tonight; it's midnight already) with flipped scum interactions in mind but I'm not expecting to see anything so strong it changes my mind. Still, it's best to do it.
First Dorian and then Dan and conq, seriously?
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TH-THAT WAS PSEUDO LYLO OKAY ;_;
it was really depressing/embarrassing when I realized bard was obvscum seconds after posting my self-hammer though...
Anyway, Serela, how would you describe your current scum game? Would you say you're still a busser?
Between not /inning in games for awhile and then motk mafia severely stalling off for awhile, I'm not sure anymore? I haven't played many games in the past year. I don't play mafia anywhere else, so. For the most part, unless the situation calls for me to act otherwise (e.g.scumbuddy moving towards lynch in a situation where I'm not bussing for whatever reason; that's complicated to get into), I try to act natural; it's very rare for me to just BS up a case for the sake of having one, even if I'm scum and having trouble coming up with anything. I think people have called my play transparent before? The thing is, the last few times I rolled scum, I generally got big town reads from everyone anyway.
I think it's just a Serela thing in general regardless of alignment, to usually either bomb early and get slaughtered (there's lots of scum!serela examples of me just never improving after typical bleh d1, and then I'm overwhemingly d2 lynch) or get heavily town read by everyone but never nightkilled because I'm Serela. It's uncommon for me to start burning out in the middle of a game and get lynched as town like I did in Villains Anonymaf 2; usually I'm bleh at the start (which is almost universal for me unless someone really slips up d1) and then get into the game pretty hard after. As scum it's somewhat more likely but once the ball gets rolling in general it usually requires shenanigans for me to get lynched, like me screwing up a scum fakeclaim or some other role shenanigan.
Anyway this might not have actually answered your question very well because I just started rambling, but it's 1am so you got some quality Serela stream of consciousness here, and that usually works out well for me, as much as it tends to make half the players go "UGH" :V
I immediately voted Dan because Conq is so extremely town and everyone else is both town from play and nearly confirmed town from roles, and because I've been providing reasons I think Dan makes sense as scum for forever. So anyway it's ultra late so g'night z.z
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seriously, I'm getting blamed for "lining up lynches" again?
Like, dude, I have SO MUCH EXPLANATION FOR WHY I'M VOTING THESE PEOPLE. :T It's very clear cut because everyone else is nearly confirmed town. Lining up lynches is scummy when it's for questionable or nonexistant reasoning. I have all of the justifications for what I'm doing here. As the same, I had all of the justification for my change of heart on claiming; once I realized my role was completely and utterly useless at that point of the game, there was no reason to keep it a secret anymore. Before then, I thought I could still use it (Also I was notably mad at you for being such a stickler over it :V) And, lack of analysis? I have a lack of analysis? [redacted], I've done more analysis than most of the players here have done z.z
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anyway yes sleep
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Also, I take everything back about Dorian being a super rational player, had you legitimately tried to keep posting I honestly would have switched to someone else.
Back then, the only thing making people reluctant to lynch Serela despite him being off the wall crazy was because he seems devoted to the game, while Dan was literally coasting off his early N2 karma and missing until the drunkpost. But your attitude was just much more reasonable as demotivated scum than town.
don't selfhammer again
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Serela, stop fucking using 'a Serela thing', your meta being shit is not something you should be proud of nor take advantage of as scum.
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my meta isn't shit tho
my meta is getting heavily townread for most of the game after being meh during d1
as some other people have been saying for awhile, I'm not as bad of a mafia player as some people say I am, and half the time those people aren't being serious when they say it anyway
I seriously think most of your points against me are completely BS and I cannot understand where you are coming from, and I haven't really seen too much complaint about what I've done from people other than you. :T Apart from some of the more questionable things like that 1:30am end of d4 opinion breakdown where nothing new had happened but trying to overanalyze the 3 poe'd scum for three days straight
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tl;dr my response is "u mad bro?"
It feels like you're trolling more than anything else. :T
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My iso is seven posts long because I've been putting a huge amount of thought, effort, and analysis into this game. To get blamed for "lining up lynches" and being "loud, obnoxious, with no analysis" is mind-boggling to me.
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Another thing about Serela I didn't really bring up because I want Dorian lynched more but has been bugging me for awhile. How Serela seems to unnecessarily defend himself at weird times.
At the start of D4, I definitely recall Serela having responded at length to Dorians first argument against him. It felt a bit weird back then because Serela has been awfully laid back all the game and the aggressive response seemed out of character.
Also, during N2, Serela was the one who advocated speculating about roleshens doesn't matter, yet encouraged the idea of massclaiming, given how scum still had their governor and roleblocker, that was in hindsight a much more pro-scum stance.
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I don't think I encouraged massclaim until partway into d3.
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At that point a ton of strong town PRs had died, and Conq was the only town-looking person who hadn't already freely claimed, so.
I definitely recall Serela having responded at length to Dorians first argument against him.
If someone posts a case against me, then unless I agree with the points (this happens sometimes!) of -course- I'm going to refute them o.o
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like, why would a townie (or anyone, for that matter) avoid responding to someone's case against them when they are able to refute the points to a non-pointless degree
It's generally a productive thing to do for the sake of improving the scumhunting of everyone involved.
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No, you had many, many terrible inconsistencies in your stance and underdeveloped cases, most of which I have attacked you for before. But since towns opinion on you is basically, 'well, he's Serela, he's just like that', and Shadoweh is giving me shit for 'provoking' you because you are good at faking a tantrum. I just suppressed my desire to burn you for the many obvious errors you have made on your content and focused my attention on some of your more general towntells. Which unfortunately led me to the wrong conclusion.
All your random 2+ years old mafia quotes to back up your shaky cases does reminds me of the vanilla mafia hosted by Dorian however, and how I instantly scumread you since game start which lead to me being NK'd the same phase I subbed in.
Also, the games you cite definitely dont apply to you now. Last game we saw that you are clearly capable of expressing yourself eloquently and have improved alot since your initial, very much outdated style. Your gamplan is basically 'hey, give me a break, I am still the old serela, here's a million very old games to justify my behavior, don't lynch me!'
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Someone asked if I did silly roleshens in the past so I answered them, and Conq just asked me about how my scum play is so I answered him.
Are you seriously attacking me for answering people's questions? >_>;
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If you want to get meta, maybe you could ask yourself why scum!Serela would nightkill Shadoweh that could believe in town!Serela over the person who has been aggressively dogging me the entire game.
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Anyway I just put my contacts in and I desperately need to get to bed (oh god oh god why am I awake at 2am), I'll answer your further responses after I wake up. For the sake of being on the same level with eachother though, at this point I feel like I've adequately responded to the things you've leveraged against me so far? If you want more detailed responses to any points you've already brought up you can reiterate
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If you want to get meta, maybe you could ask yourself why scum!Serela would nightkill Shadoweh that could believe in town!Serela over the person who has been aggressively dogging me the entire game.
Perhaps that was a bodyguard kill?
Or is this a scumslip I spy? Lemme read that Shadoweh PM again REAL QUICK.
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If you want to get meta, maybe you could ask yourself why scum!Serela would nightkill Shadoweh that could believe in town!Serela over the person who has been aggressively dogging me the entire game.
(I guess this isn't really "the entire game", but "the last few days of the game" is over a week so it feels like a long time)
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Perhaps that was a bodyguard kill?
Or is this a scumslip I spy? Lemme read that Shadoweh PM again REAL QUICK.
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It could have been a bodyguard kill, this is true! I wouldn't know. Since it was basically impossible for Shadoweh to be scum at this point it didn't seem like an odd death to me so I didn't think about it. BUT YES SLEEP
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I don't take kindly to loaded questions and rheotorics that aim to supplant a biased idea instead of displaying your thought process.
Firstly, it is indeed town to respond to others, but it is the direction and method of which I have qualms with. You OMGUS'd Dorian and antagonized his case to an excessive degree at day start, of which I was inferring that 'hey, is Serela scumreading Dorian as an afterthought or what?'
Secondly, your 'feelings' seem more like a scum excuse to nudge town in a general direction of mislynch instead of leaving anything incriminating of yourself such as a comprehensible stance and whatnot. You feel like I am trolling, you feel like my case on sky p sucks, oh, sky p is the obvious wagon now? 'Hey guys, I feel that DNAs case is starting to hold more water!' *bus sky p*
And then there's your spammy posting style, literally adopted to discourage analysis and conceal your actual content, forcing us to further rely on a general impression of your 'opinions' and 'old meta', so your are free to manipulate our general impression of what makes Serela town.
Cut by 5 again, see people, this is exactly what I mean by spammy.
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Okay yeah, I'm gonna sleep too. Ima read through D2 interactions starting tomorrow, but for now, my read is back on Serela. I'm ultimately sheeping a lot of DNA's points, particularly on the N2 roleshen argument, but like I said I need sleep and also less heatwaves but I'm only getting one of those right now and that is the sleep.
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Why Serela, could it be because you actually.... assumed Shadoweh is not a retard? So she will eventually turn against you as Dorian flipped town? Also, when Shadoweh shit on me for probing you Serela, she was explicitly saying 'seeing we can afford one mislynch', implying she either agree with me being town or ateast think the likelihood of me being scum is low, so contrary to your misrepping, Shadoweh is just antagonizing me or entertaining my lynch for pissing off people. Which is understandable behavior for her as she's also the one to immediately tell me to stop posting dank memes when I attacked Shalako. Therefore it would only be reasonable for scum!Serela to get Shadoweh out of the way when he's still defending you and can't screw up your intended kills with bodyguard.
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If one believes that commuting is mutually exclusive to killing as it is in every game I've ever seen, Shadoweh dying points to there not being a no-kill 2 nights ago.
Serelas case on me still translates to "he's too correct to be town". Nor is it true that I wasn't paying attention to the rest of the game as my first post in the old thread documents whilst a late post d2 gIves my stongue town reads. And dorian has said in thread that I greeted him in the qt with a town read.
I'm also not sure on the role aspect of the game why my commute is more or less town looking than DNAs vote manipulation.
The only thing I have not yet done was look at Serelas d2 in depth. I took a look at Conqs and DNAs and both seemed town. I'm not about to clear Dna from that though because there is a possible narrative in which Dna is scum.
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I don't think Dan is scum, we can already confirm Dan blocked my drone attack, so his commuter claim is likely true. In addition, since Shadoweh flipped, we can be sure scum shot shadoweh(or conq whom Shadoweh said she protected) during the day when there was no death. Therefore as Dan was commuting, he couldn't have also shot off Shadowehs bp vest.
Also Dan, if you think my narrative also applies as scum, I want you to case me under that assumption. Since I need your analysis in order to get a better read on you and determine whether you have a genuine thought process behind your views, otherwise you are just doing more Serela tier explanation.
To explain in detail, my role is town because in scum hands this role is basically a doublevoter, which would be overpowered because it is guranteed to hit town, and they already have a governor to block one lynch on the scumteam. Which means scum itself can constitute four votes and push town to SYMLO a day earlier with one less mislynch and requiring town to coordinate the same lynch twice in order to win. That's fucking ridiculous.
I bite, but I don't gnaw and I know when to let go.
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Actually, that reminds me, before I forget, DNA did you send your drones to anyone last night?
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Serela already asked that on page one and the mod answered that, I didnt. Reason being that as the mod refused to answer if last scum can use abilities with nightkill, I can't confirm my innocence even if I send drones. Also, since nobody ever confirmed my beloved status, todays as good as any to get it out of the way and prove I am not fakeclaiming.
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Serela, your behavior can basically be summed up by this article
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Active_Lurking
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Also, I forgot to mention that I will need to sub out in three more IRL days time, since I expected the game to end last phase. So I might not be available until this phase end and definitely will not be here provided we even have a day 6 (god forbid), so I am trying to make the most of my time here.
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It's kind of funny when DNA blames me for bias when he's saying things like my posting style was specifically adopted for the sake of being harder to read and that I'm manipulating everyone's impression of Serela town. >_> (Or in other words, I am a master puppeteer who has carefully calculated everything. This seems about as likely as Raikaria being convinced Shadoweh is using mind control beams on everyone.) Could you get any more biased than that? I've always posted like this. It's probably more notable now than it usually is because I'm being actively hounded, so I have a lot of things to respond to.
When you directly accuse me of Active Lurking, which is so disgustingly inaccurate that it's very insulting, I can see there is obviously no point in continuing the discussion. You already heavily implied earlier you are more or less convinced I am scum, as you starting referring to times you thought I may be town as "regretfully coming to the wrong conclusion about Serela", or something close to that. I have been responding to every point you bring up against me in a way I feel is quite good, but you only continue to prove your viewpoint of me is so warped and biased against me that it's entered conspiracy theory territory where in your eyes I have gone to every extent to tailor my play to be as misleadingly townish as possible.
At this point, rather, I'm waiting to see where Patorikku/Conq get with their rereads instead. It's very clear you are as likely to vote someone other than me as ActionDan is to vote himself and I have done everything I can to change your mind already, so time to pay attention to the rest of town :V
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I assert your arguments as assertions, and refuse to response
That seems awfully familiar
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refuse to respond, sure, view it as that, whatever
the point is we've been going back and forth for quite awhile and you're basically a brick wall here, past that you're a brick wall whose accusations keep making less and less sense and aren't even very refutable in the first place anymore past going "...what????"
what kind of a response do you expect to accusing me of being biased and then biasedly accusing my entire posting style and responses to people's questions to be subtle manipulation of everyone's opinions?
that's a rhetorical question btw
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Which is why, as with all your other rhetoricals, are not answered with directly because they are not meant to. And then you accuse me of jumping to conclusions. Wow.
Reiterating here. I am not a brick wall. My scumread on you is a conclusion constructed off the arguments we had and roles and flips. In fact, last day phase I actually ended up rescinding my vote from you precisely because I processed the facts on the table and others opinion and your behavior, then came to the conclusion after also processing Dorians post that Dorian was a more likely scum target last phase.
Since I was admittedly basing my scumread on Dorian less on my own terms, but is instead more influenced by others, it was a very unsettling experience to just shut off my usual alarms and tolerate your obsessive and overly eager push on Dorian. In fact, I had a generally positive opinion on Dorian, coupled with my suspicion at the scum safeclaim argument upon rereading the game, as I have posted yesterday. I am ashamed to admit therefore the fundamentals my read on Dorian, and subsequently my decision to instead leave Serela for next lynch are largely influenced by the consensus Serela being unpredictable (read: crazy) is just part of his meta.
Which is why I am so irked. You are a player well versed in the meta, you have shown that you are capable of playing well. Regardless of alignment, you have an obligation to play like a decent human being with sportsmanship, and yet you revel and take advantage of others' benevolence by faking incompetence and using spam tatics. My bias and anger are therefore exclusively on your decision to adopt such a low down playstyle. And has nothing to do with the conclusion drawn which is based off facts.
Also, if there's anything to take away from my arguments, its that they all articulate themselves fucking crystal clear. I thought we could at least agree on that.
##Vote Serela
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(I couldn't let this one go without a response because it's based on something more tangible, but at the same time I still don't really want you to respond because I want the argument to be over already D;)
you feel like my case on sky p sucks, oh, sky p is the obvious wagon now? 'Hey guys, I feel that DNAs case is starting to hold more water!' *bus sky p*
This is a pretty biased oversimplification of events; when you first made the case you were accusing SkyPal's content of being nitpicky and bad, but SkyPal had only managed to read up through like day one (and maybe a lil' d2) of the game at that point. In fact, soon after that you even awknowledged that SkyPal was too busy to post and give him some space for a little while. Later though, SkyPal finished catching up and to my surprise didn't really improve his opinions much or give other things one would expect from reading the second half of the game, so then your case became more valid. This thought process was explained in my posts at the time.
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Also, since I didn't address this, me, and by extension pretty much everybody, went back and forth alot yesterday because there was a limited number of lynch targets which is further diminished now. I am just more OCD about placing my vote to mark my stance.
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yet you revel and take advantage of others' benevolence by faking incompetence and using spam tatics. My bias and anger are therefore exclusively on your decision to adopt such a low down playstyle.
See, this is why I said there wasn't a point in continuing the discussion; you are convinced that I am masterfully designing everything about my play this game as a scum tactic to mislead everyone.
There's really no way to refute something like that!
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in other news, I mean, the way dan acts and the fact that, yes, commuting normally comes across as mutually exclusive from killing (Note:He could possibly just be completely untargettable all the time, it's not a town clear) would normally make me want to humor the thought of dan!town
but that means I'd have to more seriously consider conq scum which is very difficult for me, still would sooner believe it's dan
or DNA scum that assumed we would never test his beloved I guess? I'm not going to lie though, after all this it'd just be so satisfying to lynch him >.> However on second thought I think his rabid anti-Serela sentiment feels very not from scum, so yeah no, DNA is still definitely town.
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There was nothing being simplified other than you and I having different interpretations on how 'complete' sky p's reread is, and even so, it is hardly relevant at this stage of game.
Far as memory recall, Sky p posted during N2 his general comments on skimming the game at that point, my inference was that he already had a gist of the happenings of the past days. So I consider his further response which backtracked on many his initial points scummy. And since we do know Sky P is flipped scum, your initial defense and subsequent rapid push when he's likely the next wagon comes off as anything but an opportunistic attempt to garner towncred. If sky p is busy, he won't suddenly become less so and gain coherency upon reread. Its a weak excuse to pass that off as a scumread.
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Reread Conq up to the end of N2 (Shalako's death), there's a quite notable amount of bard/shalako interaction there D1/D2 (amusedly in rvs/ed1 he's even responding to them back to back) but it doesn't seem fake to me, the only suspicious thing I could possibly say is about how much there is but that's a very unreliable metric and isn't really worth much, especially towards D2 it really doesn't look particularly fake to me so at best (worst? depending on your PoV) there it'd be null.
Serela has posts that make me think he's town and posts that make me want to strangle him.
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And then Conq's rereading of Sky where he becomes increasingly convinced of Sky's scumminess doesn't look faked. It's possible for it to be scum just cashing in on the bus cred since Sky was clearly doomed to die then or very soon, but at it's scummiest again this would still only be null.
Yeah, there's no reason for me to want to lynch Conq unless Dan flipped town, at which point it'd already be at "uuurghhhhh so one of the super town people is actually scum".
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I appreciate you brought up that bit, Serela! Dan could actually be an ascetic scum. Which is something I didn't bring up...yet. Basically, commuter is a much better and townier fakeclaim than ascetic. Plus, his vague claiming on 1 or 2 shots is also ambiguous and seems to be a ploy to provide an explanation if my drone attack targets him again and it fails. Plus, ascetic fits in much more snugly as scum and is a reasonable gambit seeing he's the last man standing.
I was initially planning to push you as hard as possible and determine my vote based on the quality and quantity of your push and whether Dan decides to keep coasting, so Dan should remain a very plausible scum option!
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I was initially planning to push you as hard as possible and determine my vote based on the quality and quantity of your push and whether Dan decides to keep coasting, so Dan should remain a very plausible scum option!
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HHNGNGNGGGHNNNAAGGHGHHHHHHHHHHHH DNA PLZ I'M CHOKING ON MY WATER HERE WHY ;_______;
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And then the punchline was that DNA really was, to some degree, trolling the shit out of me (even if he does still legitimately believe I'm probably the scum)
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Ascetic scum is not going to exist in a game with a full roleblocker and a governor not to mention that it counters everysingle town role single handedly, and in some circumstances would provide a false clear if targeted by dorian's jail or Serelas ability (which incidently wold be neutered completely in any case, since ascetic scum always preforms the kill.)
If I'm not posting it's probably because I was sleeping in the time the last page got filled up with way too many words
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Also Dan, if you think my narrative also applies as scum, I want you to case me under that assumption. Since I need your analysis in order to get a better read on you and determine whether you have a genuine thought process behind your views, otherwise you are just doing more Serela tier explanation.
I'll get to it after I look at serela
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Serela, everything I launched about your play still stands, I have even higher expectations of you now that I had to bring this up earlier than I intended. My opinion about you just improved, slightly.
But I am just initially confused, and then suspicious why would Dan claim 1 or 2 shot commuter. From a town perspective, if he does need to withhold his claim the motivation is because he wants the imaginary scum to hit him, so it is with the intention of blocking the kill. And off that angle, claiming 2 shot is merely deterring a scum hit and making others a more appealing kill target, while ending up with the bonus effect of dealing with my ability and having a strong town claim.
Besides, he literally has nothing to lose. And strategic coasting and lurking are indeed both integral parts of Dans scumstrat. I don't think Dan is 'too correct', he just speaks too little, and often inconclusively and revealing little of his analysis, he is more 'politically correct' if anything.
It was something I already considered yesterday and planning to disclose on my next wall. But since DorIan cut the day short and I reckon my towness still has some pull, I can manage to pressure you, serela, and squeeze more info.
Cut by 2
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Dan, ascetic could have a cause that specifies being not immune to kills. Nnr previous hosted game has Dormio rolling the same role, abeit as town, so it is within reason.
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Ascetic is not immune to targeted killing actions. To everything else, it is
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Also, Dan, I figure you will at least be somewhat well versed in reading the mafiascum wiki, and should know ascetic can have extra clauses added on it to limit its power.
Also even without modifers, I would actually call ascetic not quite overpowered. Let's not forget this game does start off with a universal backup, so it means town has potentially two shots of kills(1 certain, 1less so, assuming serela is town), two sources of investigation and 2 sources of protection. One roleblocker is actually not quite enough in terms of balance to ward off all those abilities, and an ascetic does fit much better to serve as someone who can be a reliable killer.
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Serelas ability (which incidently wold be neutered completely in any case, since ascetic scum always preforms the kill.)
I was referring to this, since serela is claiming to have a vigkill that only works if he targets his killer, I believe it does count as a killing ability and thus will go through ascetic.
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Surprised at how rapid you are posting now. Dan. We mentioned you alot of times when discussing your activity at many different times, especially serela, who really wanted your lynch. It was definitely over the span of not just a few hours of sleep , and you never responded as eagerly and consistently since the initial day which you subbed in.
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I was referring to this, since serela is claiming to have a vigkill that only works if he targets his killer, I believe it does count as a killing ability and thus will go through ascetic.
It wouldn't. Not from the MS wikis definition anyway. Show me Dormios role from that game.
As for the balance of it, I'll defer to conq to tell you how ridiculously op it is.
Unsure why you're surprised that I can twitter post
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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/rf8MWVDsUMZr5
You are looking for post 14.
Twitterposting is not a problem but you aren't even bothering to post at all when the argument was about you. When you had plenty of opportunities to. 'Wary of clogging the thread with useless posts' is a shaky reason at best.
I want to hear you explain, not conqs.
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Could you cite where the argument was about me and where I didn't post about it. Afaik the only one who ever advocated and presented a reason for my lynch has been serela, and I've responded to it multiple times.
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I've already said why ascetic is op, especially in this game, it counters every town role but the 1-shot vig. I'm referring to conq for an agreement
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Link me to those points of yours ty, also phoneposting here
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Hard to say which vote is more painful, this or patorikkus dorian vote.
I don't get the 2nd half at all. It's scummy to target prime scum candidate bard and scum shalako? Am I too towny to be town, is that it? Because the existence of a governor does not mean scum become limited to busing one another.
Why is bard town and not a bus vote then, when things go south. Could scum shalako not afford to distance there knowing he was about to take the hit?
You had only two quotes' worth of content since you forced me to ISO this myself, and honestly, it doesn't feel anything like a genuine 'response' more than just shrugging off his pursue via twitterposting, its also exponentially difficult because your post history as far as this game is concerned just has generrally little content. Could you care to elaborate in detail?
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*two quotes worth of content which specifically responds to Serela
*this is the only one against his Dan case
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re:balance Ascetic would be ridiculously strong in this setup, yes, although historically I've seen mixed results with scum ascetics; here it does a good job of negating the hijacker, tracker and cop while having few downsides (I guess one of which would be the lack of viable fakeclaim). Whether NNR would put it in his game is another question, this is the guy who thought bp jailkeeper was a good idea.
@Patorikku I don't have anything to say about DNA's meta, I've only seen one recent game of his
Starting on the game now anyway
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Rereading my notes on D1, and I have noticed that Dormio had been hinting toward his scum suspects with weird rhetoric to make it seem as if he's not really suspecting them, such as on 108 and 246. Bard on 198 points out that he seemed to be keeping his hands from getting dirty, which is kind of my read on that situation as well. Dunno how much this may help with the investigation on the Dormio/Dan slot, but since Dan's been doing a lot of coasting as well, I thought it may be relevant. Something about a playstyle that refuses to get dirty mixed with a commuter claim doesn't add up to me; if I were town and I knew I could at least keep myself out of getting NK'd once, I wouldn't feel the need to lurk quite as hard as Dan/Dormio had been. Gonna read through D2 now and see if I can get some more info.
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Okay, fuck, WHAT ARE WE DOING!? At this point in the game, I think we're all pretty deadset on the idea that either Dan or Serela is scum, with maybe a few posts here and there where each one of us hints at the vague possibility of Conq or DNA being scum, but honestly, I'm convinced both of them are town. In my mind, any further speculation is more an attempt to ensure we get the winning lynch today rather than next day phase, so it's more like getting a high score than anything! So right now, I'm just voting my biggest scumread which has not changed all day.
##Vote Serela
I don't even know what I want to say that I haven't already said. Shady halfclaim for role, trying to draw the attention of scum when there's like two or three confirmed/near-confirmed townies wide open for safe NKs? I don't think you honestly zoned out on that. I CAN'T believe you can zone out on that. Beyond that, you can read just about any other post where I mention Serela for how I feel about his play throughout the game. AND I STILL THINK THE N2 ROLESHENS WERE NECESSARY.
I'm getting petty here... Bringing myself back to Earth.
If it's not Serela, it's Dan. This is all the conversations today have been telling me. If somehow it turns out that Conq or DNA are scum, then BRAVO, guy, your scumgame was on point!
L-1 on Serela. If anyone's around and wants to hammer, please do.
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I dunno, I am actually feeling a bit less sure about who we should lynch first upon initially would upon ISOing Dans posts.
I don't feel Dan is scummier than serela, but it isn't exactly because Dan has better interactions or cases. Like I said already, he's more 'politically correct' if anything, and I feel that a large part of why I want to lynch serela first stems from the recency effect of having Dan being forgotton, so Serelas screwups are just more prominent in our heads.
Basically, I feel that lynching Dan later is just rewarding a degenerate playstyle, so I would rather policy lynch him first, and I do trust conq enough that he won't pull such a gambit and crumb it.
##UnVote
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Reading all the d1 walls again made me remember why I put off this reread for so long. I ended up skimming most of them.
Anyway!
Shalako did a lot of responding to Darkninja and DNA basically tunneled onto Shalako all the way from D1. Compare Shalako's interactions with Bard, some light questioning and minor interactions. Makes me think Shalako would ignore his third buddy as well. Serela and Dormio could both fit this profile I suppose.
Bard keeps pursuing Serela over a question he's already answered, and at the end of the day suddenly handwaves Serela for effort and leads a powerwagon on Dormio. Does this look like a late D1 bus? I don't think so. At that point the wagons were pretty spread out and Dormio was so inactive that he could easily have been lynched imo despite people like me pushing against the lynch.
D2, Dan comes into the day strongly with a Bard push. This in itself doesn't mean too much since he could have picked this up as a replacement read. But Dan never really lets up on this read and he does note that the only other lynch he prefers is the Shalako lynch. Coming from another player this could be a superbus but like I've said many times before, Dan doesn't do heavy busses as scum, especially not in a role madness game, although under the scenario that he's ascetic he could afford it more I guess. But it would have been far easier for him to just park his vote on a townie like he's done in all his other scum games.
Serela's D2 post on Bard with the most terrible waffles ever reminds me why I wanted to lynch him back then.
Dna starts the Shalako wagon going on D2 at a time when the wagons were stagnating, which reaffirms the town read I have on him. Meanwhile Serela goes after Shadoweh.
Anyway, despite the governor, from Shalako/Bard's interactions it looks like the scum didn;t commit to bussing until the end of D2 when Shalako weaseled his way onto Bard, so Serela defending Bard/Shalako fits into that.
I got to Night 2 and Dan/dna's reaction to the no lynch and questioning of Shalako's claim both read genuine. Serela in the mean while tries to push the angle the Shalako is a town unlynchable or delayed something or other. I think the scum, having a governor, might suspect a town vig and would want try to prevent them from shooting Shalako and saving town from wasting another day.
Day 3 Sky comes in and barely mentions Serela at all, meanwhile Serela doesn't do any analysis of Sky's posts and the only reason he finds Sky suspicious is because of his role. Which is fine, but it kinda shows that Serela wasn't really trying to figure out sky apart from the role stuff. Sky did post content, even if it was sparse, and I think some to it was questionable enough to analyze at the very least.
Meanwhile DNA does a good job questioning a lot of people and Dan defends Dorian at a point where the scum can't really afford to lose another player.
The rest just looks like confirming all of this tbh.
Pretty confident in lynching Serela and ending the game at this point, rereading just made all the connections obvious and there are a lot of things which show that everyone else is town.
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*a lot of little things
Also Serela's role is the most useless thing if true. Activated PGO is one thing, but apparently Serela has to target that person and they have to be the person to kill him for the role to activate? Basically a vanilla townie when everyone else has at the very least a useful role.
Also, I just caught this while reading, but Shadoweh lying about her role was very clever.
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:v
What can I say, conq descends upon us foolish mortals with clarity and impenetrable logic that I just couldn't help but nod my head along.
My read has been reaffirmed, should I drop my vote?
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What are the votals?
If NNR is around I'm tempted to just throw it down and end the game right now.
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Okay only Patorikku is voting
##Target Serela
Don't see anything changing my mind at this point, honestly. And I think we're all just about finished with this.
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Unless we want to wait for Dan to chip in with something I guess. Your decision. I'm going to sleep and hoping I'm done with mafia posts for this game.
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I am honestly over and done already with the game, thanks for rereading for us as I don't have the time, I want the results.
##Vote Serela
Hammer
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Should be over. I decided that Serela being dead wrong at every turn was a better indicator than anything else
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dan you know I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to post 4 hours after hammer
like at least I'm the person who's dead
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Reminder that spamming my PM inbox at 4 in the morning is not very likely to wake me up for a flip.
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Serela had been dead wrong at every turn. And that was why the Rebel Fleet had decided she had to die. Faced with far too many ships then what she could retaliate against, Serela fought bravely, using every bomb, missile, and crew member she could throw at the Rebel Fleet.
It was a long battle, as Serela's ship proved to be especially hardy, and had weapons the Rebel Fleet had not yet faced, proving to be an extra challenge.
Finally, though, after a major beating from all sides, the four-on-one finally came to a conclusion, as Serela's ship finally breaks into pieces...
...but could you really collect any scrap out of what was left?
(http://i.imgur.com/xVo3A7G.png)
Serela's ship, The Bravais, Vengeful Rebel, has shattered into a thousand pieces!
Welcome to Faster Than Light Mafia, Captain!
You have been chosen to pilot the ancient Crystal ship, The Bravais
The Crystalmen are the ancient ancestors of the Rockmen, having bodies made of gleaming crystal, which is sharp and strong like rock, although not as tough. The Crystalmen live in an ancient civilization hidden in the far, far depths of the galaxy, and it is said that it can only be traveled to through ruins in the Rock Homeworlds. Crystalmen come from planets where the air is thin, and thus can survive on very little oxygen.
The federation has threatened the sanctity of the ancient crystal words, and for this they must be punished, by you.
Your ship's special ability is:
Crystal Vengeance. Your ancient and unknown technology lets you get the ultimate vengeance on anyone who attacks you.
The ancient crystal ships are built like no other, being composed mainly of the same material its people are, with strange weapons that fire chunks of deadly crystal. If you visit a player who during the same Scrapping Cycle attempts to destroy you, the deadly crystal shards that erupt from your ship upon it's destruction will surely destroy the enemy as well.
To prepare this ability simply PM the command, ##Retaliate: Playername
You can only do this during a Scrapping Cycle.
You wish to scrap the Federation ships, and thus this space combat won't stop until you've destroyed their entire force.
"How the bloody hell do you unlock this?" -Everyone
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The Scrapping Cycle has begun. The Rebel Fleet will soon jump to the next sector, so send your actions in.
BT Replaces Darkninja
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After a long time exploring the edge of the sector, the fleet transmits a roll call in preparation for the jump.
However, one ship is missing yet again.
After some searching, however, on the far edge of the sector, you finally find the remains of Patorikku's ship.
(http://i.imgur.com/sPvnoSw.png)
There's actually quite a bit of it still there, among what appears to be several dead bodies floating in space nearby - jettisoned into space far from the ship itself, and several chunks of hull of another ship among them... probably The Kestrel. It seems that Patorikku's crew put up quite a fight with the Federation ship, as they were both obviously well-armed, and well-manned. Unfortunately, it seems the Kestrel had the upper hand, as aside from what chunks Patorikku managed to rip off, there's no other signs of any broken ship hulls. The Kestrel remains undefeated... and almost home.
Patorikku, piloting The Basilisk, Rebel 1-Shot Vig, died a glorious death!
Welcome to Faster Than Light Mafia, Captain!
You have been chosen to pilot the deadly Mantis ship, The Basilisk
The Mantis are a race of insectoid creatures, similar to the praying mantis as the name suggests, as vicious as they are many. The Mantis are one of the most feared races in the galaxy. Known for their brutal tactics and extreme aggression, there are not many who can stand up to a Mantis assault and live to tell the tale. Warlords of the galaxy. Mantis are inept at technology, which usually leads to them taking it by force rather then discovering it themselves. It's no surprise Mantis have managed to become this advanced despite their primitive ways.
You have decided to join the this fight against the smaller Federation force in hopes of getting a few battle trophies, perhaps to decorate your ship with later, as it commands respect from your race to adorn your ship with many gory trophies.
Your ship's special ability is:
Teleporter technology, allowing your fearsome Mantis crew to board enemy ships.
The only thing worse then fighting Mantis is fighting Mantis in boarding combat. By teleporting your crew directly onto another ship, you can bypass their shields and hull to kill their entire crew, leaving the ship easy pickings to get scrapped.
You can use this command by PMing ##Teleport: Playername. You can only do this during a Scrapping Cycle.
Since this battle is so intense, your crew won't have time to heal at all during the battle, and thus will only be strong enough to use the Teleporter ONE TIME.
You wish to scrap the Federation ships, and thus this space combat won't stop until you've destroyed their entire force.
tldr you're a Rebel 1-Shot Vig
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THE REBEL FLEET HAS REACHED SECTOR 6: SLUG HOME NEBULA
"The Slugs that live in this nebula field are a leisure-centered civilization. Everything in Slug life is done in the pursuit of more currency and more time in which to spend it on extravagant ventures. This, inevitably, leads to much treachery in open space."
The Combat Cycle will end sometime August 3rd
All ships have been severely weakened by prolonged battle.
Any one ship could easily be destroyed by the remaining two others.
Active Captains:
BT
Conqueror
ActionDan
The Rebel Fleet will reach the last remaining Federation Stronghold in THE NEXT SECTOR
THE REBEL FLEET ADMIRAL HAS ISSUED A SYMLO WARNING TO ALL REMAINING REBEL SHIPS.
THE KESTREL MUST BE DEFEATED AT ALL COSTS.
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I really hate this game.
I don't know where to start so it looks like I'll have to do another reread.
Both of you had really great interactions though, so congrats to whoever is the last scum.
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I personally thought conq was gonna die. Sorta a pleasant surprise
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Hmm. I guess I'd ask Dan why he kinda petered off after the Sky lynch?
Mostly interested in how BT enters the game I think. I'm not about to read darkninja's posts again at this point and skimming them didn't give me any real conclusion other than dna posts way too much.
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Why did you think I would die over Patorikku? From your perspective Patorikku should be the obvious kill for anyone wanting to frame you for the kills or someone going for the low info kill. And I'm still a potential mislynch since weird things tend to happen at lylo, although I haven't been mislynched as town in forever.
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Hmm, I guess I'll start by asking you two why not crossvote. Like, if there's sufficient doubt that DNA was a scum slot. From bits and pieces of following the past few cycles I thought I'd be deciding LYLO, or dead.
In fact, I was sure Conq or I would die, but I guess the one-shot vig claim was a strong enough clear?
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Based on the fact that no one would want to 1v1 Town Conq in LYLO, and I don't know how strong of a player Pato was.
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Hmm, I guess I'll start by asking you two why not crossvote. Like, if there's sufficient doubt that DNA was a scum slot. From bits and pieces of following the past few cycles I thought I'd be deciding LYLO, or dead.
In fact, I was sure Conq or I would die, but I guess the one-shot vig claim was a strong enough clear?
Ha, no.
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Well, I actually haven't played a lylo as town since Cavalier of the Abyss when I had confirmed scum in front of me, so yeah. I'm not used to LYLOs. I'd much prefer it if you two crossvoted!
Your slot has read town to me pretty much all game but at this point for any of us to be scum we'd have to have been involved in stupid bussing shenanigans. Likewise with Dan's slot after the scum flips.
You dying last night wouldn't make any sense unless scum!Dan wanted to 1v1 me, which would be pretty suicidal for him. I only really see me dying in the scenario that you are scum and trying to go for the fast lynch on Dan.
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Is one of you guys awake and can go over claimed/confirmed night actions for each cycle? I'll probably piece it together myself but it might be better reading with the knowledge in mind already.
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If it wasn't obvious by now, I'm looking at roles first because roles are fun. That's right, DNA was cleared because his role is town. Instead of a protective utility (Dan - by the way, was anyone able to confirm any commuter / ascetic night cycles?) or an info role (probably Conq), scum wouldn't have another lynch control role and another role that deactivates in SYMLO. Something something crossvote please.
Did we find out what the Clone Bay from Shalako's PM does?
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Also something I usually base lategame analyses off is the general mood of the game for each cycle. Like, was town really on the ball around the time Shalako and Bard/Sky were lynched in a way that made it hard for scum to form other wagons? That'd explain Dan subbing in with the bus, for example, because it would have been hard to do something else.
For example. Or how last scum's behavior might have changed the closer they were to a real chance of winning. I'll try to keep my eye on that kind of stuff but your thoughts would be nice too.
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I think I'll get the last few things off my chest before I commit to reading 40 pages. (why)
The relevant posts I've read from last day make me feel Conq genuinely thought the game was gonna end, while Dan had a clearer plan of lynching Serela and then DNA/myself, as he would know that LYLO is coming. Role-wise, one-shot bodyguard, one-shot jailor, rogue (Serelaaaa. This is totally a SF/Smogon thing, by the way), hijacker, tracker and universal backup is quite enough to fuck over scum NKs - one- or two-shot commuter is going overboard, while scum ascetic or X-shot ascetic would help remedy that headache for scum. Also consider that while ascetic is strong, town gain enough through targeting other townies, since they have many NK-blocking utilities that an ascetic wouldn't help with, and also have the one-shot global nighttalk, one-shot neighborizer, tracker and vote manipulation, and in this case a one-shot cop as well.
Right at this moment I'd vote Dan, but there's plenty of other stuff I haven't taken into account yet, so. :colbert:
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Cleared Shadow Serael after Zek dies since he reveals he knows Serael is town.
A+ name butchering.
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From trusty notepad.exe:
d1 points of interest
sb's conq case -> sb's n1 death, +conq scum
shalako and dna slamming one another in what is obviously town v scum shitflinging, +dna town
bard swaps to dormio ld1 based on a recycled opinion instead of reading the game and finding a wagon, +dan town
https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198928.html#msg1198928
some of these posts are golden. seriously just read the shalako / dna d1 slapfight, it's endearing
dormio's interations with shalako +dan town
conq's telegraphed shadoweh cop +conq town
Plus the first few posts of D2, retract what I said about Dan having to bus Bard because that definitely was not the case. This is going to be harder than I thought, especially since mod-given fakeclaims are proven to exist.
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So yes, I wanted to keep this close to my chest for the time being but I think I'll ask anyway - Dan, why do you barely suspect Conq, if you suspect him at all? Why wouldn't NNR tell Conq town doesn't have a cop? (this is something you brought up in your ISO sometime)
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For the record, it would have been a strong argument for Scum Dan that he wouldn't look at Scum Conq as a possibility, but now I'm more curious than suspicious.
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That's enough for now. Gotta watch more The Genius (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9suu7e7YWZ0rw06g9_cOi_cnzpeXeUCc).
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So yes, I wanted to keep this close to my chest for the time being but I think I'll ask anyway - Dan, why do you barely suspect Conq, if you suspect him at all? Why wouldn't NNR tell Conq town doesn't have a cop? (this is something you brought up in your ISO sometime)
My opinion was that the only possibility was conq being a rolecop to warrant conq being given a cop fake claim (see sky's jailer fakeclaim) furthermore I'd have suspected him of using that on shadoweh so he'd have known he could safely fake a result on her. But if so, Shadoweh dying N3 would have happened in all probability.
As for his play it's been strong everywhere you look.
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shalako and dna slamming one another in what is obviously town v scum shitflinging, +dna town
https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1198928.html#msg1198928
some of these posts are golden. seriously just read the shalako / dna d1 slapfight, it's endearing
This is not obvious after the shit that happened page 2 with raitaki. Previous to the linked post I found shalako to be perfectly reasonable and DNA to be a lot less so in their back and forth. Also DNA coupled shalako and murrin together, so there was an additional stake were this a bus.
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This is not obvious after the shit that happened page 2 with raitaki. Previous to the linked post I found shalako to be perfectly reasonable and DNA to be a lot less so in their back and forth. Also DNA coupled shalako and murrin together, so there was an additional stake were this a bus.
You say that but just from the language of the D1 exchange it's hard to imagine they're from the same team...
I'll get back to you on the Conq post after I read D2.
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https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1200123.html#msg1200123
These are the kind of posts that explain my case here the best. >_> You're not going to be complete dicks to eachother when you share a QT unless you're really good at faking, and I'd like to see anyone argue that DNA-Shalako was faked. Dudes never met before and DNA, for as crazy as he is, wouldn't be this mean to someone on his same team. I linked this post in particular because it also displays the time range where Scum Shalako gave up casing DNA because, to scum, the beloved hated potato role is blindingly townie, which isn't surprising, because it's town.
Tell me more about how the page 2 Raitaki vote matters here, or how Scum DNA stood to gain from this bus. Of course there was something to gain, but that doesn't mean it was possible for DNA the human being to pull it off.
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How do you feel about Bard clearing people for putting effort into the game? (My statement was a bit exaggerated I agree, I just play from a more wary base of thought.)
Do Mafia members literally not put effort into games here?
this might be relevant
At the time Conq was the one complaining about how no one was playing, meanwhile Dan was "busy playing LoL and not giving 2 shits". And Bard was nowhere. And Dormio lurked before getting subbed out too.
:3
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I should stop multiposting. Shit.
I'll get back to you on the Conq post after I read D2.
Anyway, I wanted to make sure no one claimed roleblocked on N1-D2. Basically, you're failing to consider that Conq the rolecop was under no obligation to clop Shadoweh before fakeclaiming a cop shot on her. That's just one play optimization that might have easily not happened. I was gonna say "maybe the RB checked for asceticism" but yeah no RB claim, but it's irrelevant.
I want to say something more but I want your stance first. I can keep assuming you'd rather push DNA (which makes no sense to me) but you're not saying it explicitly so this is awkward.
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https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1200123.html#msg1200123
These are the kind of posts that explain my case here the best. >_> You're not going to be complete dicks to eachother when you share a QT unless you're really good at faking, and I'd like to see anyone argue that DNA-Shalako was faked. Dudes never met before and DNA, for as crazy as he is, wouldn't be this mean to someone on his same team. I linked this post in particular because it also displays the time range where Scum Shalako gave up casing DNA because, to scum, the beloved hated potato role is blindingly townie, which isn't surprising, because it's town.
Tell me more about how the page 2 Raitaki vote matters here, or how Scum DNA stood to gain from this bus. Of course there was something to gain, but that doesn't mean it was possible for DNA the human being to pull it off.
Incidentally you linked the post that made Praise DNA in my QT with Dorian. But DNA isn't being mean here? In fact he cooled down imo from D1 to D2. That said it's possible to say in what I assume is Day-time scum chat "Hey, I'm gonna bus you, and possibly be a dick, be aware". It's happened before, and I can imagine DNA being capable of doing something like that. I have no idea if Shalako could do the same though. I mention Raitaki because he went just as hard on Raitaki as he did Shalako, so that behavior of aggression is systemic and not an indicator of town vs scum, because if DNA is town, then Raitaki vs DNA was town vs town.
THAT SAID, you can make the argument that shalako flinging the shit was a scum targeting a townie. This would have been ED1 and D2. It's absolutely possible, but it's also not beyond shalako distancing at first and then escalating that. The post you quoted from D2 does give off the impression of legitimate anger from shalako though.
The post that you think might be relevant is not, unless you believe that if I was scum Shalako would want to call attention to the possibility of the scum being lurkers from the bottom of his townie sympathizing heart
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I want to say something more but I want your stance first. I can keep assuming you'd rather push DNA (which makes no sense to me) but you're not saying it explicitly so this is awkward.
My stance is that in the absence of agreeing with "this DNA vs Shalako is town vs scum obviously" I'm going to weigh in other independent factors like, whose play has been better, whose votes have been better, roles, and so on.
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I'm also making a decision, not a push. At this stage I'm not going to be swayed by that much that's spawned today, but I will take into consideration anything that's brought up.
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Incidentally you linked the post that made Praise DNA in my QT with Dorian. But DNA isn't being mean here? In fact he cooled down imo from D1 to D2. That said it's possible to say in what I assume is Day-time scum chat "Hey, I'm gonna bus you, and possibly be a dick, be aware". It's happened before, and I can imagine DNA being capable of doing something like that. I have no idea if Shalako could do the same though. I mention Raitaki because he went just as hard on Raitaki as he did Shalako, so that behavior of aggression is systemic and not an indicator of town vs scum, because if DNA is town, then Raitaki vs DNA was town vs town.
THAT SAID, you can make the argument that shalako flinging the shit was a scum targeting a townie. This would have been ED1 and D2. It's absolutely possible, but it's also not beyond shalako distancing at first and then escalating that. The post you quoted from D2 does give off the impression of legitimate anger from shalako though.
The post that you think might be relevant is not, unless you believe that if I was scum Shalako would want to call attention to the possibility of the scum being lurkers from the bottom of his townie sympathizing heart
Then I'll simplify by saying my argument is that this wasn't faked, and that they were legitimately degrading one another. I'd think that this is a pretty crucial point for your decision but whatever you say.
The last main thing I'm seeing coming out of D2 is the obligatory claim interactions. Conq was involved and looks very townie coming out of it, while Dan was around to make light remarks (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1200270.html#msg1200270) and hammer (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1200340.html#msg1200340), but not participate.
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Umm... I have work tomorrow... won't be back in a good 18 hours, thought I'd share... A bit late...
If for some reason you have questions for me, get them out now I guess.
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Pity about conflicting time zones, since I only really get to this thread late at night. But some quick stuff while I'm here.
Dan, could you answer this?
Hmm. I guess I'd ask Dan why he kinda petered off after the Sky lynch?
I have wondered a bit about whether Dan was buddying me up or not. I do think I've been town enough this game but I haven't been the most active and I could potentially see why someone might suspect me. But at the same time I feel like as scum here he'd have more to benefit from trying to cast suspicion on me and try to get the paranoia going?
I'm not sure what to make of the "scum wouldn't be dicks to each other" argument since I'm pretty sure I've seen worse between scum. And since Shalako is new here I don't know what kind of dynamics he could have with DNA, perhaps they genuinely hated each other. However, I didn't read most of that huge back and forth because it felt like a waste of time, so maybe I should do that. The back and forth memeposts did seem really overblown though, so it's not hard to wonder if it was an act when you get down to it.
BT's role argument is probably the most convincing thing on this page tbh. But there's nothing stopping NNR from adding another part/restriction to your role since we know after Serela's flip he's not beyond complex roles despite everyone else's roles being simple.
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around 2 days remain. I can't remember when I started the day but this is a reliable time anyway.
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There was more to Serela's role? I didn't catch that yet.
Following via phone.
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Well, no. I meant in the sense that it wasn't a simple one role role.
Actually I'll have to check the other role pms to see.
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Well, all the town bar Dorian have only one ability and all the scum seem to have two. But I think someone mentioned that the last ability listed is the fakeclaim. I think it was DNA actually. So really only one ability I guess.
So I guess you'd have to be a scum JoAT? Hmm.
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Oh right. This was what I was trying to get at earlier. The fact that your role as claimed already has two parts (beloved and vote giver) means it's more likely that there could be other parts to it as well. This sounds backwards but it makes sense in my mind.
Since we're on the subject of roles DNA should have really used his ability to target dan N4 or whatever, it would have shed light on commuter vs ascetic. We never did end up testing the beloved claim, I guess since it would be stupid to claim beloved whIle not being beloved.
Also I've been wondering why Dan wouldnt kill me N2 if he saw my cop crumb. I suppose I could have been roleblocked?
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Is one of you guys awake and can go over claimed/confirmed night actions for each cycle?
Me: copped shadoweh n1
Dan: commuted N4
Dna: sent drones to me n1, to Dan N4
Raitaki claimed being roleblocked n1
Serela targeted dan N4
Dorian neigjborized Murrin or someone n1, got hijacked to dan, used night talk d2?, jailed Patorikku N3
Patorikku vigged Shalako n2
I think that's all the claims? Sorry if it's a bit late
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There have been blocked NKs, no?
and I was just gonna ask for that list again. The big thorn vs ascetic atm is that it probably would have stopped the hijack or the neighborizer, one of the two. So full scum ascetic is probably out.
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There was a missing night kill N3 but we don't know if it was caused by Shadoweh or Patorikku
Also I just realized Raitaki was probably killed for claiming roleblocked, that or he was Roleclopped I guess
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and I was just gonna ask for that list again. The big thorn vs ascetic atm is that it probably would have stopped the hijack or the neighborizer, one of the two. So full scum ascetic is probably out.
Indeed. He'd have to be an activated ascetic I guess or have some condition? An awkward role, but the last scum is probably going to have a multifaceted role? Town has a lot of power and while roleblocker is strong it's not enough, while governor is "canceled" by vig.
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and I guess the logic behind my role is that it's all about the lynch modifiers. Theoretically DNA could have been a JOAT with all sorts of drones but that doesn't mesh with the concept of beloved -> not beloved but someone else is hated.
Hated drone is kind of a weak drone to have used anyway, if he had rolecop drones or something he probably would have used them instead.
I guess another way to put the it doesn't mesh point is that scum joat would not have been beloved as well.
Re NKs it's fair to assume N3 was blocked on Pato or you.
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Dan: commuted N4
Dna: sent drones to me n1, to Dan N4
Whoops, this should read N3 twice
Posting from PhoNE so hard to keep checking
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Times like this are when I wish I had flavour knowledge so I could break the game without telling nnr.
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@BT Your role is just a weird role in general when the other flipped roles apart from Serela are just so straightforward. The beloved point is what I keep coming back to because I agree that it's weird for scum to have when a governor already exists. I've been trying to think of configurations where it would be "balanced" in scum hands.
It's kinda awkward that Dna replaced out because I do kinda want to ask him why he gave me the Drone so I could pass it on instead of just making someone like Shalako hated directly. It's one of the reasons I've been thinking that maybe there's a rolecop attached to the drone. But I'm also wondering if Dna would have the guts to fakeclaim beloved and banking that it wouldn't be tested. It would be super gutsy and although I've seen Dna fakeclaim like that as town I don't have a reference for his scumgame.
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Anyway I'm off to sleep now, be back tomorrow
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If I was an activated scum ascetic/commuter, I would have used it N1 for obvious reasons
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Maybe joat with a commute. I will concede that mod nnr does love his joats.
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Maybe joat with a commute. I will concede that mod nnr does love his joats.
If I was an activated scum ascetic/commuter, I would have used it N1 for obvious reasons
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It's probably imperative to try and build a summary of Conq/Dan's game from Scum's PoV at this point. I'll be doing that.
But first, crucial to this, I wanted the night action list to look more like
N1
Shalako took the kill
Bard roleblocked Raitaki
??? did ???
followed by town actions
etcetera
I'll work on that too.
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Just to be sure on this I guess cause there's no reason not to.
@mod, in the hypothetical that a hijacker hijacked Mr. X onto an ascetic / commuter / someone who blocks non-killing actions, would the hijack fail? Would Mr. X's action fail?
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A mind-controlled ship is given a new target for their night action, if they have one. The Ariolimax only visits one ship each night, to use Mind Control on.
If you're going to try to play "Ask the mod to solve the game via hypothetical situations", don't rely on getting too many answers.
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Yeah it'd still fail because the neighborizer would fail to the ascetic. That was mostly me being curious. :justasplanned:
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Okay. I've had periods of back-and-forth until now but consider my vote on Dan. (I'm not actually going to vote yet, even though I think there's 24 hours left? I feel like most of the important posts haven't happened yet. More on game theory in postgame.) It boils down to interactions and Conq. It's been at least
two times one time now that I've had to dissect an entire Scum Conq game for LYLO, and I'm surprisingly certain this isn't a Scum Conq game. Uh, I thought it was twice, apparently I'm making shit up. ANYWAY, there are way too many townie triggers for a good acting Scum Conq to have hit all of them, plenty of which are him looking into a bunch of stuff scum wouldn't have bothered looking into, a natural result of being involved in most consolidation phases & claim headaches, while Dan's play has been very simple. There's probably a distinction between Town Dan and Scum Dan in that Town Dan would have had at least some conviction during the last few phases. Scum Dan had fake, kind of weak conviction surrounding Dorian being town (something which Sky points out!), weak enough that it was discarded later in favor of fakeclaim hijinks. Think Town Dan would have at least settled his vote on Serela, DNA or Dorian instead of forming a lynchpool, addressing some claim stuff and active-lurking until now. Strongest conviction happened around the time he subbed in, during the bus, something which Serela actually points out in his case a few days ago. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1202272.html#msg1202272) The most interesting take-away here is probably that scum were looking at the governor being activated anyway, what made the bussing more attractive. It was possible that Dan planned on not lynching Shalako after Bard but the former dug himself into a hole with the claims and he got vigged anyway so we'll never know.
So, interactions, was it? If you thought I was taking the time to analyze you guys' play in-depth, nope, no way, interactions are way more telling. Not yours but the dead buddies', since Shalako/Bard/Sky play in a way that's more telling compared to you two. I... was going to link to Shalako/Sky interactions here, but I can't remember which in particular were important and it's 2 AM and I've gotta go. Uh, seriously, I don't know how to make this paragraph meaningful now. What's on my mind right now is that CONQ's side of D3 interactions with Sky looked really townie. Shrug, that'll do. It's the same as what I talked about earlier regarding involvement and generally thinking through the game instead of keeping it clean and simple like Scum Dan.
Lastly, how events in this game probably transpired. Scum Dan would be a JOAT most likely, and the reason for not using one of one/two commute shots on N1 is either because there was something more attractive to do (such as rolecop) or because a town commute fakeclaim wouldn't make sense if he'd have used it on N1 (better to use it later as town), or both. Whatever the case, it's actually perfectly reasonable that he would not have used it on N1. SB is killed N1 because he was an emerging global town read and was probably doc evasion (though I'm still ever so slighty paranoid that Scum Conq would have NK'd this). Raitaki is killed N2 either because of a rolecop or because the roleblock worked, and yet again, doc evasion. At this point Scum Dan caught on that Conq was likely crumbing a cop role so Conq was roleblocked. Cycle 3 is the big one - Conq is revealed as a one-shot cop so he isn't a priority anymore (wonder if scum suspected him of lying though...), and the interesting part is the commute shot, which brings to light another possibility with regards to the missing N3 kill - that Dan couldn't have taken it because he was busy commuting. Despite being likely blocked on Pato or Conq anyway, I thought this possibility to be appealing. "Why use it in the first place" is a good question, but maybe it was necessary for a good fakeclaim, or maybe he DID kill and commute at the same time, or maybe the role functions strangely. Anwyay, I think Serela brought this up, but on N4 it didn't matter to scum how many times Shadoweh was punted (because there was an odd number of players), so Dan simply went ahead and shot her, scoring the kill because she couldn't have shielded herself anyway. From there on it's simple.
I reeeeeealy should have been sleeping by now. :wikipedia:
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https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.0.html
WELCOME TO THE GAME
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Basically if you were to compare and contrast you'd see a lot of similarities re: me lynching scum then becoming apathetic. I would have advocated for dorian a lot harder had sky's pm contained what looked like an apparent contradiction to part of dorian's claim... what you describe as 'role hijinks'.
I mean, most of your post isn't wrong on Conq at least or describing my play (the rolespec is though. that's off mainly because who needs to doc evade when you can rb the claimed bodyguard and then kill the townie looking cop instead of the guy people were generally less sure on. But there's definitely also thinking that there could possibly be something better than using a commute when my slot was a cw to Zak and heavily suspected, and scum knowing that a vig was sure to be around because of the governer), but this is really most definitely an argument that says I'm scum because Conq can't be without really looking at my side of things. I mean you had all that +X town stuff which I'm going to assume is completely discarded.
That said I've been leaning you anyway because I agree that I can't see conq being scum. Mostly due to any EDX play and the decision to more or less claim cop on D2. The only thing I may have taken issue on was his murrin vote D1 but that's not exactly criminal.
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Dan, could you answer this?
Oh right. Around that time I was in New York. Was doing things + I stopped having strong convictions
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More on Dan: Bard was far from the projected D2 lynch so for him to highlight him right as the day started (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18658.msg1199439.html#msg1199439) is really too much.
There's also this
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^ the above post is a joke
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You guys. You know,
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Whoops. Anyway, I was going to say, I secretly hoped that one of you would 1v1 me so I didn't have the pressure of making a decision, but it looks like it'll have to come down to that. I've been looking back and forth at isos and it's difficult mainly because I'm used to having a buffer zone for lynches, but that ran out this game.
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I just read the last day of Town Mafia. What a game.
Oh wow reading back I was in that game? I have no recollection of it at all.
I'll probably have some questions up in a few hours.
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24 hours
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Well that deadline moved.
After writing that post I wondered if I was being too harsh calling Dan an active lurker, then I came to realize that no, that's pretty accurate, because a lot of his posts gave the feeling that he was omnipresent. So I need to check if Dan.normally follows the.game but posts seldom as town or rather he posts seldom because he's not around. If it's the latter it might be significant, active lurking as final scum.makes a lot.more sense than doing so as stagnating town.
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I can extend it if I need to but I'd rather have the deadline around a time I can properly set up an endgame.
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right, there was the point about doc evasion on N2. Maybe sxum really did know about raitracker so they had to kill him n block conq, or they simply wanted to get rid of a pr they didn't.know while surely rbing the cop anyway.
Dan have you been rereading? What are your findings if you have.
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This was going to be part of my larger post but I'll post it first
Mass claim: hold off until a cop or tracker type actually flips. We already have an outed doc, so the threat of a watcher type covering Shadowdh is the only way she will survive.
This could explain why scum might not roleblock Shadoweh if they were expecting a watcher, in which case that would explain a scenario in which Dan!scum doesn't just off me immediately. Or they copped Raitaki.
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Not sure what you mean by your post about Dan seldomly posting? Dan is usually a low volume poster regardless of alignment.
I checked out the Town Mafia game although it's 2 year old meta at this point. Dan did taper off after the initial 2 scum lynches but he was pushing in the Dormio/Affinity direction and had Affinity > Dormio. I can see some similarities in this game on the day of the serela lynch, but I have to wonder about the day of the dorian lynch when he had no strong feelings either way. I feel like Dan could have voted at the very least, but he did say he was absent/busy. So I don't know.
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when he had no strong feelings either way.
rather, he stated he'd go serela for play and dorian for roles but didnt really pick a direction. OF COURSE this is complicated by the fact that dorian ended the day early so there's less to work off of
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Eh, I had some more stuff here but I just removed them since I figured the answers wouldn't help anyone.
Mostly due to any EDX play and the decision to more or less claim cop on D2. The only thing I may have taken issue on was his murrin vote D1 but that's not exactly criminal.
Explain what you liked about my ED1 play? I was completely off point that day since I hate D1s. I wouldn't say I really started figuring out the game until D2 so I'm surprised you townread me off those posts?
I guess a similar question for BT. Could you point out some of the things you think hit townie triggers for you from me? I guess I'm being a little unnerved at being townread so easily because it's easier for me to figure out someone's alignment when I'm talking to them instead of watching two guys talk to each other.
Looking at DNA's posting on the day of the Serela lynch is interesting and once again reminds me why I wish he was still in the game so I could ask him stuff like: why want to lynch Dan over Serela as a "policy lynch"?
I still have yet to go through scum scenarios for both of you so I can reconcile some of the early game interactions and vote decisions. I wouldn't mind a 24 hour extension because it's exhausting posting right before sleep every day.
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Actually I just realized I'll probably have a nice chunk of time tomorrow for the game that I don't usually have so yeah, I'm going to sleep and coming back then.
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Not sure what you mean by your post about Dan seldomly posting? Dan is usually a low volume poster regardless of alignment.
That's what I said in the post though. Dan usually doesn't post enough but is it despite following the game? Because he certainly followed the game here but with an inappropriate amount of content. Maybe that's just a meta point for Dan, but it still doesn't match my vision of stagnating Town Dan. I got the feeling from his posts that he was following the game closely and it's probably because he's the last scum. I'll confirm it now.
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Even regardless of this I think it's a strong point against Dan that he hasn't proactively looked for scum since... when? I don't know since when actually. It's easy to say "yeah but that's because he thinks Conq is obvtown" but that's an easy pass, he should have at least shown signs of mulling it over, maybe rereading Conq and coming to the conclusion that he's town, maybe rethinking how DNA's role might actually strongly suggest that he's town, but none of that was really happening.
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I ended up reading Town Mafia first which doesn't help because it's not an example of lurking Dan, it's an example of Dan still kind of posting enough and following the game. Yeah compared to this game he was more active in challenging people into answering questions then, and seemed to have more responsibility behind votes. In this game it's all yeah I don't know which of DNA and Serela is worse, which is downright irresponsible especially when they weren't similar players with similar circumstances. And going back onto Dorian follows the same trend.
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I ended up reading Town Mafia first which doesn't help because it's not an example of lurking Dan, it's an example of Dan still kind of posting enough and following the game. Yeah compared to this game he was more active in challenging people into answering questions then, and seemed to have more responsibility behind votes. In this game it's all yeah I don't know which of DNA and Serela is worse, which is downright irresponsible especially when they weren't similar players with similar circumstances. And going back onto Dorian follows the same trend.
Simple no will suffice
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Even regardless of this I think it's a strong point against Dan that he hasn't proactively looked for scum since... when? I don't know since when actually. It's easy to say "yeah but that's because he thinks Conq is obvtown" but that's an easy pass, he should have at least shown signs of mulling it over, maybe rereading Conq and coming to the conclusion that he's town, maybe rethinking how DNA's role might actually strongly suggest that he's town, but none of that was really happening.
Another simple no will suffice
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Explain what you liked about my ED1 play? I was completely off point that day since I hate D1s. I wouldn't say I really started figuring out the game until D2 so I'm surprised you townread me off those posts?
Eh, it's a bit less stellar than my memory, but I liked you nagging shalako twice mostly and being proactive in corralling people to move to zak, since you're sort of taking responsibility for the town lynch when you didn't have to and had no need to as scum when the wagons were TvT.
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No
Is this better ???
I'll sleep and check on the thread in like 7 hours, in case deadline isn't extended or something.
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Actually I just realized I'll probably have a nice chunk of time tomorrow for the game that I don't usually have so yeah, I'm going to sleep and coming back then.
Hi
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Deadline extended by 24 hours, by request.
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Hi
Yeah, here now, just finishing dinner.
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This game was just as painful skimming through the second time as the first, but this time I was mostly looking at early interactions especially dna/shalako which I kept skipping over before since people keep bringing it up.
This post is going to be messy because I didn't know how I wanted to format it but decided to put it all down because this game is so big it's easy for me to forget things.
DNA/Shalako started all the way on page three with Shalako saying DNA set off a red flag but not voting him, and then it becomes a back and forth about meta reads and lack of communication of something? So yeah upon reading this it's definitely not too far-fetched to be a scum/scum interaction; I've seen worse D1 busses. The inclusion of reaction images and dank memes make me think they're just messing around and in posts like this:
But Shadoweh basically nailed it, I am not willing to directly put a vote on Murrin at the moment because I still want to remain open-minded instead of pressing for a claim and potentially ignoring other scummy players, namely, powerlurking players such as Zak who could be a even better lynch depending on Murrin's response. Panic tend to make people screw up, and seeing how hysterical Murrin already is without being put to L-2, I hardly think it would be beneficial for his casemaking to further pressure Murrin.
It seems DNA is just trying to push alternative lynches while sitting on Shalako for reasons I can't really comprehend, and he soon jumped off onto Zakeri.
We also get gems on Shalako like this:
Even if I thought DNA was mafia it wouldn't stop me from questioning poor votes.
At this time i'm not willing to guess if DNA is town or Mafia but I don't think his line of attack on me is scummy even if it was poor for reasons i've stated.
Although then he did vote DNA soon after so I'm not sure what to think. I don't think the DNA wagon had any real chance of going through.
At any rate the wagons soon collapsed onto Zak. It would be ironic if I shut down a possible scum wagon onto a town mislynch, but oh well. Actually given that Dormio was the other major wagon that actually did happen, so. Mafia is too hard.
Shalako chimes in to say he likes Dormio blah blah.
Timing of Bard's Dormio wagon means it could have potentially gone through if the Zak wagon wasn't there as an alternative. I don't know. Feels kinda risky though and Bard did hard defend Shalako, weird that he would flashwagon another buddy instead. But governors etc but I think scum would want to save that until as late as possible?
Also, Bard posts clears DNA for "effort" and the Dormio vote could be a chainsaw.
Reading D2 again with Dan going hard after Bard and to some extent Shalako. DNA did a lot of defending of Bard and how this was definitely not scum!Bard, but goes after Shalako and Murrin instead. Shalako talks about his vote on DNA when he's not voting DNA.
Day stagnates with most people not voting until 24 hours left. I go after Serela. Whoops. :V
DNA claims giving me the drone. I questioned why he didn't just give it to a scum read but didn't push it. Another mistake in hindsight but I had no reason not to trust DNA back them.
DNA, My main reason to suspect him is pushing Policy Lynches, however I've never once seen a Lynch-Resistant Mafia, and he mentioned Beloved D1 in one of his walls, so I need to reconsider him.
Dormio Replaced by ActionDan I didn't understand why people attacked Dormio's post where he said paranoid reads beyond it being kinda fence sitting but I saw it as clarifying his thought process and Action Dan I agree with not trusting people just because they put effort into the game.
I mentioned this on D2 but Shalako taking this long to "reconsider" because of a claim that happened a previous day was pretty suspect. It does say more about Shalako than DNA, but I realized here that this way Shalako weaseled himself out of voting DNA at all despite DNA being his top scum read for most of D2 apparently.
A defense of Dormio here as well.
DNA starts the Shalako wagon with good points. It's a very strong attack but if scum were looking to bus then I guess this would be the time to do it? Feels like he could have done it earlier considering how much he scumread Shalako earlier. Maybe a late wagon would have less time to gather support with other people having townreads on Shalako? A votecount shows Shalako had one vote with 3 other 2 vote wagons.
About here the Shalako wagon picks up and Shalako starts spilling bullshit all over the thread and votes Bard.
At this point I started skimming hard and I cut everything out of this post because I doubt anyone is reading it and it pretty much became IIOA.
So I'll just summarize my conclusions.
Both Dan and DNA have pretty decent positions on the scum wagons. I don't think the slight differences in D2/D3 are telling, although DNA going back and forth between sky and other options fits a scum agenda better, marginally, since scum dont want to be left with one player with jailer and doc still alive.
I think the main thing that I keep coming back to is that Dan isn't a hard busser as scum and I find it hard to believe he would go after all his buddies like he did. His most recent game on MS had him parking on derptown all game. The only thing worrying is that Dan seems kinda passive in this LYLO but yeah, I'm leaning DNA as the last mafia right now. Sorry BT if this gives you short shrift but I think Dan's play here is within his town play and your entry is typical unreadable replacement for me, so I'm going off of that plus DNA's interactions being more likely to fit the scumteam than Dan's, plus stuff like Bard's wagon of Dormio D1.
As for roles, I'd guess JOAT drone giver with other abilities and maybe stuff like rolecop attached to the drones.
FWIW I don't think Dan!scum necessarily had to use a commuter N1. It's a likely possibility but since we don't know what other roles would be in a JOAT there could be something better.
This took way too long but yeah. We do have an extension though so feel free to make me doubt myself all over again!
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*so I'm going off of Dan's meta plus
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*His most recent scumgame on MS
Although I don't know if it was actually his most recent, just a recent scumgame
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It legit didn't occur to me Shalako vs DNA could be seen as anything but real upon reading it. Confirmation bias strong. Basically you think DNA was just messing around, and I guess it could be interpreted that way, but that's more of a DNA behavioral thing. The indicator of it being a -real thing- is probably the amount of effort and emotion put in - the dank memes just obfuscate that.
I thought Shalako mistook what Beloved meant was an argument for town DNA but maybe that's bias as well. What's your take on DNA's claim at this point, that the beloved portion was faked? Because I'm not sure the way DNA handled it suggests that, plus it makes you wonder if he wouldn't have blogged it intensely in their QT as scum, and if there's a chance of scumbuddy Shalako not knowing what beloved means on D2.
Dan's ultrabussing starts strong but doesn't commence. I made the case that scum Dan would have left open the option of lynching others if Bard/Sky/Shalako improved. Don't you think town Dan would have pushed harder after the initial subbing-in case, like where he reacted to Shalako's claim confused and just left it that way.
Apparently unrelated to her stumpiness, she was gifted unlynchable status.
If this were a town ability they wouldn't be on the wagon.
So that leaves Bard.
So scum gave it to her.
Scum don't give that to townies.
Therefore she's scum.
Or we live in a world where both Shalako and bard are town. And if so I don't want to be on this planet anymore.
Like, I don't know, is this conclusive enough? I guess it's your call if town Dan would have been more confused and thus done a more thorough job.
In essence, the litmus test I'd propose for the "Dan wouldn't bus!" point is how Dan continued to handle the Bard/Shalako cases. I'd like to think town Dan would have pushed harder and scum Dan, being shackled to the cases anyway since his buddies weren't improving, would have floated around like this instead.
I'd like to talk it over with you, Conq, yeah. DNA would probably cry. :fail:
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I'd also like to make the point that DNA's posting style makes him the easiest target to blog about as scum trying to find lynch targets in the thread. Aaaand the important part here is "blog about", as in, you'd probably see lots of complaints about DNA in catchups, like what happened with Sky. I'm not sure a bus would have looked like that - instead it looks like the usual slowly chipping away thing that scum do to eventually justify lynching someone.
Meanwhile the strongly rhetoric'd vote on Dan based on a singular event reeks of Sky knowing that Dan is scum therefore. :wat:
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By the way, the reason DNA gave you the drone is the stated reason, he thought you were town. Don't know why that's haunting you so much.
I remember reacting positively to Bard/Dormion when I was reading (it's documented in the thread!) but when I came back to it it was like "well". I geuss what happened is that Bard wanted a new vote to save face and didn't think he'd be endangering Dormio.
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I think DNA was telling the truth about his claim but he left out parts. I think the beloved was real but conditional, and I'm not sure what the conditions would be. I will admit I don't know how this meshes with scum governor. Way to get me thinking about roles again. :ohdear:
My point on Shalako suddenly realizing what Beloved meant is that I think he probably was told what it meant, either by DNA or overnight, and since the reasoning for beloved clearing DNA popped of nowhere. Like I said though this is more a point against Shalako than DNA.
Well, it's more the fact that he went through with the bus at all. I agree that he could have done a better job of pushing it but I'm pretty conflicted because from memory Dan has never been a real hard pusher. I think this is what you're meaning by the passivity. I know passivity is something Dan does as scum too, it's why I use accuracy as a benchmark instead because otherwise I can't tell. >_>
EBWOP: Why give me the drone instead of just making a scumread hated though? That's one less phase DNA is beloved and one phase where the drone is useless until I get to pass it on the next night.
Okay I just looked at Dan's N2 posts for the context and there's not as much as I thought, but then again it was just 24 hours. Well one weird thing is that Dan is usually more involved in role puzzles and didn't account for the possibility of Shalako lying? Hmm.
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Oops, that EBWOP went in the wrong place.
And yeah DNA's posting style is why I'm having a hard time getting a read on the slot directly, since DNA is naturally a jumpy and probing player. Sky never did vote DNA or intend to vote DNA though.
Sky's Dan vote does read strongly, but I can't tell if it was a bus vote or a placeholder vote since Sky veered off onto Dorian for reasons.
I'll look over Bard's Dormio end of day stuff again
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Battlemap Update 5
Serela (2): SB, Bardiche
Murrin (3): Dorian, Shadoweh, Dormio
Darkninja (3): Zakerei, Murrin, Shalako
WHMZakerei (2): Raitaki, Darkninja
SB (2): Murrin, Conq
Conqureor (1): SB
Defensive Maneuvers: Serela
A ship can withstand the combined fire of 7 ships before it is destroyed.
Combat Cycle will end in 8.5 Hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20150716T19&p0=805&msg=Combat+Cycle+End&font=slab)
Reminder that No Majority = No Ships Destroyed
Okay, this was the votecount before Bard's Dormio vote. So it's not as risky as I thought. And Shalako stayed away from Dormio. I don't remember how risky a scum player Bard is though. I guess it's not as strong a point against Dan!scum as it was before? Ehhhhhhhhh I kinda want to hear from Dan since most of what he's said today has been responding to other players.
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Um, I'm Pretty sure that those 2 quotes demonstrate I wasn't confused at all about what shalako was claiming, nor do they demonstrate any ambiguity about what I thought. If it didn't mention the possibility of her lying, it's because that would obviously imply she was scum, which was my conclusion *rolls eyes*
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Well, okay, I figured that after I posted it. V:
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Sarcasm comes across badly on the internet.
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Dan do you have any questions to ask or are you just sorta waiting to make a decision?
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DNA probably didn't care that much about losing beloved, or was compelled to use therole for the sake of getting it out there. Potato potato.
Reminds me, you wanted to build scenarios for us. Just thought I'd remind you if you forgot.
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Dan do you have any questions to ask or are you just sorta waiting to make a decision?
I don't really have questions tbh. I just see BT saying things like "Dan would have left the option open of lynching others if the scum posting improved" and shake my head. Is asking for a reads list from shalako leaving options open? I'd doubt a sane person would jump to that conclusion. I don't think there's room to claim I'd ever do that for Bard or Sky, not particularly after I said "I don't think there's anyway that Bard is not scum here" during the middle of D2
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er I guess ED2 at that point
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I don't really have questions tbh. I just see BT saying things like "Dan would have left the option open of lynching others if the scum posting improved" and shake my head. Is asking for a reads list from shalako leaving options open? I'd doubt a sane person would jump to that conclusion.
Dans 331 against Shalako looks great but no vote + possible handholding "I want a list of reads ASAP"
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It's probably because I was voting Bard?
I dunno
Obvious counterpoint seems obvious
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honestly you're recently resorting to outright dismissing my arguments when what I'm saying is really simple. If you think your play this game is successfully applicable to a town dan game, well, yeah, but even your example of town mafia has some differences. I'm pointing things out that fit scum MO and decrease the chance that this is, in fact, a town dan game. You're shrugging THE things that are relevant.
It's probably because I was voting Bard?
I dunno
Obvious counterpoint seems obvious
and... okay? Bard wasn't showing up. i admit that optimal scum play wpuld have been to divert the lynch elsewhere bcos modkill like others were doing, but there are also pragmatic reasons for why you would have parked there.
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We aren't massclaiming just because you and DNA want to
There is no appreciable benefits atm.
@DNA, the qt between me and dorian is mirrored by the thread. I gave my reads and we discussed Shalako a bit, notably disagreeing about her alignment
I mean did Dorian contradict this while he was alive? no
*posting between threads is HARD
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I mean did Dorian contradict this while he was alive? no
*posting between threads is HARD
a few simple qt comments would have qualified.
I keep forgetting that DNA also had conpelling votes on scum...
Posting and quoting fro part 1 is very hard yes
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honestly you're recently resorting to outright dismissing my arguments when what I'm saying is really simple. If you think your play this game is successfully applicable to a town dan game, well, yeah, but even your example of town mafia has some differences. I'm pointing things out that fit scum MO and decrease the chance that this is, in fact, a town dan game. You're shrugging THE things that are relevant
.and... okay? Bard wasn't showing up. i admit that optimal scum play wpuld have been to divert the lynch elsewhere bcos modkill like others were doing, but there are also pragmatic reasons for why you would have parked there.
I'm dismissing them because they're not right nor do I see any merit at all in them. I mean I'm addressing this particularly egregious one because it's not even an opinion, it's just flatly contradicted by posts in the thread. Are you really arguing that something scum posted resonates with you because a) I didn't vote my 2nd scum suspect over the first in the space of what a half page of posts and b) stating that one player is missing a reads list and that I scum read them for it and then ask for it is handholding?
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I'm dismissing them because they're not right nor do I see any merit at all in them. I mean I'm addressing this particularly egregious one because it's not even an opinion, it's just flatly contradicted by posts in the thread. Are you really arguing that something scum posted resonates with you because a) I didn't vote my 2nd scum suspect over the first in the space of what a half page of posts and b) stating that one player is missing a reads list and that I scum read them for it and then ask for it is handholding?
the power of easy-to-read connections is strong. Practically every game there's a transparent scum slot which will outright tell you what their buddy is doing sometimes, because that's the easiest Good.Content you can put out as scum to many
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Tumbleweed
I feel like I'd be the most effective if I actually had someone to talk to rn. Considering just placing a vote and waking up early tomorrow in case of early hammer, because I don't think I'll be changing my mind. Anyone here?
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I'm here.
DNA probably didn't care that much about losing beloved, or was compelled to use therole for the sake of getting it out there. Potato potato.
Reminds me, you wanted to build scenarios for us. Just thought I'd remind you if you forgot.
Valid, but that doesn't explain why when you have an effective doublevote for the day you use the other vote on a townread? I mean if you think you can't get the other guy lynched and are afraid of it bouncing back on you, but still.
I wanted to build scenarios but ended up cutting most out because it was speculation and a lot was already in the thread in some form or another, and it didn't help with my decision anyway.
Eh, I see where you could be coming from in the latest back and forth but I also see why Dan would just dismiss it because how do you respond to something like that? Tempted to just stick with my gut.
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By scenarios I mean role scenarios.
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Well I mean the weirdest thing to me about Dan's play today is that he's spent more time defending himself than pointing out why either or us might be scum but I feel like dan scum would make a more obvious push in this scenario? And I don't think Dan is a huge casemaker?
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I'm here.
Valid, but that doesn't explain why when you have an effective doublevote for the day you use the other vote on a townread? I mean if you think you can't get the other guy lynched and are afraid of it bouncing back on you, but still.
This isn't such an important decision on Town DNA's end that he would have thought long and hard about how to optimally use it. He probably didn't have a concrete idea so he just lobbed it to a townie looking dude because idling is lame.
Well I mean the weirdest thing to me about Dan's play today is that he's spent more time defending himself than pointing out why either or us might be scum but I feel like dan scum would make a more obvious push in this scenario? And I don't think Dan is a huge casemaker?
"But Scum Dan would make a more obvious push"... I feel like you're making this hard on yourself. Scum Dan would naturally be more passive as he's been doing here.
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If you want a behavioral comparison of this LYLO it'd be that despite both of us thinking you're town almost the entire day, I made an effort to reinforce the fact that Dan, being the other choice, is actually scum. Dan mostly went "but Conq is Townie" and replied to some of my points on DNA's interactions and... did he even address Beloved? I don't remember, and if you think Town Dan would have done something, he'd proabably do that.
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And another thing, it kinda saddens me that your gut is what's telling you to lean Dan, because DNA is the guy with a bunch of emotion-filled posts in the thread, while Dan has been playing minimally. DNA is weird but still a mafia player - there's definitely room to analyze the huge amount of content he's left behind.
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To be honest, I'm just mostly afraid of being manipulated by you because I have a natural tendency to townread people who put in a lot of effort, which is why I've been focusing on other days.
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True, but I also think Dna is an emotional player as both alignments.
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I'm here but playing games.
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...'Content' as in input that would help make a LYLO decision. Not necessarily vouching for "his content" here. :fail:
I suggest applying the golden rule of "OK, dude is posting a lot of content, but does it reek?". If it doesn't, then, well, feel free to be swayed by it. :V
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Mmm, think I'll vote, then. Give me a friendly "hi I'm not scum" and I'm off to sleep.
##Vote ##Target: ActionDan
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(Sleep for 6 hours and be back in 6 hours, I mean)
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Sup
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(Y)
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Tempted to do something stupid.
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Ahahaha fuck it. I think BT's proactive effort this phase is a lot townier than Dan standing by the sidelines and being reactive. Beloved is a dumb scum role, and I reckon we're all tired of posting here. So here goes nothing.
##Target ActionDan
Time to tip the scales!
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(Hammer shut up)
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But I stayed awake
Staying awake
Goddammit NNR isn't even here I'm going to sleep
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Actually there's no reason to shut up now that game is over either way so yeah. Please no rage though. That includes you as well, graveyard.
NNR will probably be around when you wake up judging by when he's been around to post updates and votecounts.
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The alternative is talking when really we should be waiting for postgame, but yeah. I'll say in general that I enjoyed my brief time in the game and such.
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Why don't I lock it here so I can write an endgame?
Nobody seems to know what "Hammer Shut Up" means!
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Space is tense as the rebel fleet advances through the grueling slug nebula. The intense debate rages on between the three ships, orbiting each other endlessly, waiting for one to make a move, a single shot going unfired between the three for a very long time.
Who was the Kestrel? Who was the traitor? Who knew too much?
The talks were long, but never loud. Everyone was rational, yet the thoughts ate at their mind, just as much as the terrifyingly silent nebula clouds threatened to close in and crush them, it seemed like. Would a slug ship dare interrupt their advance? It didn't seem likely, but they way they operated, it was always a constant threat.
Nearing the exit beacon, finally, things got ugly all at once.
BT's ship began firing on Dan's. He had finally had enough talk, and had finally decided on who he thought was the traitor.
Dan's ship was barely able to withstand the assault. Was he the Kestrel?
However, there were only moments to ponder these thoughts, when, out of nowhere, Conqueror began an assault on Dan as well, firing a barrage from his weapons at the fragile ship.
It was over in only a matter of moments. The cruiser which, like the other two, was barely hanging together, was suddenly breaking apart into ugly pieces.
(http://i.imgur.com/t1ijosI.png)
ActionDan's ship, The Nesasio, Rebel 1-Shot Commute, was mercilessly torn apart!
Welcome to Faster Than Light Mafia, Captain!
You have been chosen to pilot the secret Stealth ship, The Nesasio
The Nesasio is a one-of-a-kind ship contracted by the federation to be the ultimate stealth cruiser. You, being the dreaded Space Pirate Tuco, however, have decided to steal it from the Engi and pilot it yourself! You and your band of pirates have now managed to get away with this treasure, to use to your own ends. You also installed a shield generator on this baby (apparently it wasn't fully completed when you stole it!)
You have decided to side with the rebel cause, mainly because the Federation ships are carrying a fuckton of loot that you'd love to get your hands on.
Your ship's special ability is:
Stealth Cloaking, an expensive module that came standard on this ship.
Stealth Cloaking more then makes up for your underpowered shields, letting you completely dodge blows during bouts of total invisibility. Stealth cloaking has evolved to totally befuddle current weapon sensors, making them unable to lock on as you fly cloaked.
With your handy Backup Battery, you can pump a ton of energy into your cloaking to maintain total invisibility for one full scrapping cycle. Your battery only has the charge to allow you to do this once, however, so use it wisely. You can order your lengthened cloak by sending the command ##Cloak Me
You can only do this during a Scrapping Cycle.
You wish to scrap the Federation ships, and thus this space combat won't stop until you've destroyed their entire force.
tldr you are a Rebel 1-Shot Commuter
Before anyone else could respond, Conqueror races towards the exit beacon, and jumps away!
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FEDERATION SPACE: THE LAST STAND
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Conqueror has done it. He's evaded the Rebels all the way to the last remaining Federation outpost.
His final mission: To defend the base from the dreaded Rebel Flagship.
All the ships he's had to fight, defeat, and scrap, have led up to this moment. The death of his allies, Shalako, Bardiche, and SkyPaladin, will be avenged.
This is the Federation's Last Stand.
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THE REBEL FLEET HAS ENTERED FEDERATION SPACE
Hundreds upon hundreds of ships descend upon the sector as Conqueror races towards the Federation Base. Mere moments ago, if The Kestrel had not arrived to warn them, the Federation might not have been prepared for this attack, as what was a calm standoff throughout the sector is suddenly a complete warzone.
Federation ships and Rebel warships clash as space devolves into chaos. The Federation was far outnumbered, and ships flew by The Kestrel as it made its way towards its destination, evading fights he did not have time for, stopping only to get his hull repaired at the thankfully quiet Repair Stations along the way.
However, just a few jumps from the Federation's final base, one final ship jumps in to stop him, one last time.
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Instantly, as the Rebel ship armed its weapons, it forwarded a warning over comms, from a familiar voice.
"You cannot run this time, Conqueror!" BT roars, as he attacks. "You have fooled me for the last time! This is for everyone else!"
The battle is intense. Both ships had scrapped a huge arsenal of weapons from the remains of the rest of those who had joined the mission. BT's ship was defended like a great wall, with his supply of drones to block anything that could normally be thrown at him.
But the battle was far from even. From all those he had destroyed in the Scrapping Cycle, he had made away the most from the many battles he had faced. From the death of his Engi Allies, he too had picked up a collection of defensive drones. From those he had destroyed, especially the most intense battle he had faced, with Patorikku, he had stolen some of the finest weapons scrap could buy, and had upgraded his shields, his reactor, his engines, everything, nearly as far as they could go.
BT fought with rage, with anger, with everything he had, but it was not enough. Through huge bursts of metal and heat, his ship slowly, but surely, crumbled before the might of the Kestrel.
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BT, piloting The Rebel Rigger, Rebel Vote Manipulator, could not avenge The Rebel Fleet!
Welcome to Faster Than Light Mafia, Captain!
You have been chosen to pilot the dreaded Rebel ship, The Rebel Rigger
The Rebels are a powerful faction of revolutionaries, who aim to take down their former leaders at the Federation Base. The Rebels want to control the entire galaxy, and rid it of the alien scum that plagues its many worlds and sectors. The Federation, however, thinks that aliens deserve the same rights as humans, however. What a laugh! Your ship. a Rebel Rigger, is specialized for mechanized combat, employing drones of all sorts, from repair drones to fix your ship as it is damaged, to fierce attack drones that dog a foe's defences relentlessly.
The Rebel Fleet has been chasing down a small group of Federation ships which managed to infiltrate one of their strongholds and learn the greatest weakness of the Rebels: That the Rebel Flagship is the key to the success of the Rebel Revolution. Your mission is to stop the Federation Ships from reaching their home base, where they may very well find the opportunity to destroy the all-important Rebel Flagship.
Your ship's special ability is:
Drone Bay, a ship system designed to control multiple autonomous drones capable of defending your ship or attacking others.
Your Drone Bay allows you to automatically build drones, which have many uses and functions. Your ship is currently equipped with both Defense Drones and Attack Drones, although you can only have out one at a time.
You start your mission with the Defense Drones in use. Your Defense Drones protect your ship from enemy fire, allowing you to take slightly more punishment then other ships.
During the Scrapping Cycle, you can switch your drones to Attack Drones, and send them to attack another ship automatically. Ships under a drone attack are easier to destroy due to the constant bombardment on their shields You can do this function by PMing Attack Drones: Playername.
However, once you send your Attack Drones out, the ship that is under fire will have the chance to hack the drones over the course of the next Combat Cycle and will be able to divert the attack drones to another ship. Once a ship is destroyed while under the fire of Attack Drones, you will automatically rebuild Defense Drones onto your ship during the Scrapping Cycle and will once again be able to send out new drones the next Scrapping Cycle.
Defense Drones are stealthy and not easily revealed. The deployment of Defense Drones will not be made public until you have come under heavy fire.
Should a player under a Drone attack opt to direct the drones back to you, you will control them again and automatically re-deploy your Defense Drones.
If this battle goes on for too long, your Reactor surely is going to take a few hits, and you won't be able to keep your Drone Bay powered if that happens.
You wish to scrap the Federation ships, and thus this space combat won't stop until you've destroyed their entire force.
tldr You start as a Beloved Rebel. You take one extra vote to kill. This isn't public until you would be L-2 normally (ie, without Beloved) the first time.
You can sacrifice your Beloved Rebel status to inflict Hated on another player during the Night.
The Hated player will be able to move the Hated status to another player the next night, and so on.
When a Hated player is destroyed, you become a Beloved Rebel again.
You also become Beloved again if the drones move back to your ship.
Your role is disabled in SYMLO.
tldr tldr
You can generate Radioactive Potatoes, but you (and only you) are healed by radiation. Anyone with the Radioactive Potato can choose to pass it in the Scrapping Cycle. If the player with the Potato dies, you get a new one.
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Finally, Conqueror made it to the Federation's last standing base. It was all or nothing, as finally, the greatest battle he would ever face, was soon before him.
"Conqueror, you have bested the Rebel Alliance up until this point. You have managed to bring our secrets all the way across the galaxy. You, alone, have put in danger everything we have worked for. But..."
The voice over the communications line was even, stern, yet the pure malice within him could still be felt across space.
"...I will show you, Conqueror, your efforts were all for nothing. You cannot defeat The Rebel Flagship."
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The full might of the Rebel Flagship was soon upon the Kestrel. Missiles, beams, ion pulses, lasers, The Flagship had the best that the Rebel Alliance could build, and was enormous, stuffed with every piece of technology they could find.
But as huge as it was, they had far underestimated the Kestrel. The small ship had been through so many battles, that dodging the many things the Flagship threw at it was but child's play now. The ones that did get through, the drones and shields were easily able to block. Conqueror had long known the full capabilities of the Flagship, and had prepared for this moment to destroy it.
Piece by piece, the Kestrel flung huge heaps of flak from its three weapons, tearing through shields, beating down the hull. Augments in the ship now allowed it to fire faster, and recover its shields at lightning speeds.
The Flagship was almost helpless as it a huge chunk of its side was torn apart in the carnage.
"Curse your tiny ship! You may be able to go toe-to-toe with me, but you cannot defeat all of us!"
Desperately, The Rebel Flagship jumps away, into the chaos.
But Conqueror is not intimidated. The Flagship could not escape for long. It had to be destroyed. He fires up the FTL engine, to go after it.
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Again, The Flagship engages The Kestrel, this time bringing a huge amount of drones to beat down the Kestrel with.
It was still not enough. As lasers and beams fired at all sides of the Kestrel's ship, like bees, the Kestrel did not stop the heavy barrage of flak weaponry, pounding and clawing at the hull of The Flagship.
Soon, another huge chunk had broken off, leaving all the drones that had been thrown at the Kestrel mere scrap.
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The Flagship was down to its last defenses, its most desperate strategies. It used mind control to turn the Kestrel's crew against itself, while sending as many boarders as the teleporters could fit. Valiantly, the crew of the Kestrel now fought, as one of its huge Rockmen crumbled into stone at the hands of the Rebel forces aboard the ship.
But Conqueror remained at the helm. His crew would defend him, and The Rebel Flagship would not best him now. The volleys fired away once more, striking at the core of the Rebel Flagship. Every shield was broken through. Every armor plating was scraped off. Every weak point exposed, aimed at, and torn through.
Finally, with one last barrage, The Rebel Flagship could take no more. as explosions began to rock the hull.
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One final message gets through as the ship begins to implode, slowly.
"You may have destroyed my Flagship... Destroyed the Rebel Fleet... but you will never destroy... the ideals of The Rebel Alliance! ...Damn you, Federation! ...Damn you, Kestrel!"
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Finally, the battle is over.
Welcome to Faster Than Light Mafia, Captain!
You have been chosen to pilot the famed Federation ship, The Kestrel
You are the captain of a ragtag group of Federation soldiers who have decided not to side with the Rebel Forces. You discovered the Rebel fleet deep out on the edge of Federation space, and have learned of their terrible mission, to oppress all alien life, and more worrying, to crush the last of the Federation in one mighty swoop. You have also learned of their greatest trump card - and at the same time their greatest weakness - the Rebel Flagship, capable of completely crushing the best ships of the Federation Fleet.
Unfortunately, the Rebels have discovered you, and are out to stop you at all costs, lest you are able to retreat back to Federation High Command and tell them of their most vital secrets. Your enemies are many, your allies are few, and it's a long, long way before you get home into friendly territory.
You have two allies in this fight, your trusted companions of Federation-friendly races, the Engi and the Zoltans. You have open radio communication with them that you can access here: <Quicktopic link>
Your ship's special abilities are:
Normalcy, the Kestrel is outdated, and the most bog standard ship here.
You have nothing particularly noteworthy about your ship. However, this is actually a good advantage. Your ship is so normal, nobody will suspect you of being up to any suspicious activity at night, so you won't be tracked.
Maximized Sensors, you have upgraded your ship's Sensors with the most advanced technology available.
Your sensors are powerful enough to peer into the interior of enemy ships, allowing you to see what sort of crew mans it, and what ship systems are installed. You'll be able to discern their Special Ability with this. You may use this ability by PMing ##Scan: Playername
Pegasus Missile Launcher, a potent weapon for piercing enemy ship defenses.
Recently upgraded from the bog-standard Artemis Launcher, the powerful Pegasus Missile System is capable of firing two powerful missiles at once. Your missiles completely ignore enemy shields, and you have a fair supply of them. Without some opposed defensive measures, you'll have no trouble blowing up other ships during the Scrapping Cycle. (This is the Factional Nightkill)
These abilities only work during the Scrapping Cycle. You may not use Missiles and Sensors in the same Scrapping Cycle, as your Reactor isn't upgraded enough for that.
It's your mission to defeat the enemies out to destroy you so you and your allies can escape to the Federation Base. You'll be able to escape once you achieve an even battlefield with all opposing forces, or nothing can stop the same.
tldr You're Federation-aligned, QT link is above. You are a Federation Ninja Rolecop.
You may also safely fakeclaim Rebel 1-Shot Cop, if you do not desire to claim Rolecop.
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Conqueror, Shalako, Bardiche, and Skypaladin have defeated the Rebel Alliance and saved the Federation!
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Role Assignments (Condensed)
[Crystal] Bravais: Crystal Vengeance: -Serela
[Lanius] Kruos: Assiliation: 1-Shot Universal Backup: -Zak
[Mantis] The Basilisk : Boarding: 1-Shot Vig: -Murrin Patorikku
[Pirate] The Nesasio: Cloaking: 1xCommute: -Dormio ActionDan
[Rebel] Auto-Scout: AI: Tracker: -Raitaki
[Rebel] Elite Rebel Fighter: Fucking Rebels: JOAT: -Dorian
[Rebel] Rebel Rigger: Drones: Advanced Colorbomb: -DNA BT
[Rock] Bulwark: Rock Plating: 1-Save Doctor: -Shadoweh
[Slug] Ariolimax: Mind Control: Hijacker: -SB
[Zoltan] The Adjudicator: Super Shields: 1-Shot Governor: -Shalako
[Engi] The Torus: Ions: Roleblocker: -Bardiche ft. Skypal
[Federation] The Kestrel: Gimmickless: Ninja, Sensors: Roleclop: -Conq
Mod QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/mYxXXY9qJPr
Scum QT: http://quicktopic.com/51/H/8jifHy4PVgf
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Sector 1 Actions:
-Darkninja (Drones): Send attack drones to Conq
-Serela (Vengeful): Idle
-Shadoweh (Doctor): Defend Conq
-SB (Hijacker): Redirect Dorian to ActionDan
-Raitaki (Tracker): Track Shalako (Blocked)
-Dorian (JOAT): ASB with ActionDan
-Conq (Roleclop): Scan Shadoweh
-Bard (Roleblock): Block Raitaki
-Shalako (Nightkill): Kill SB
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Sector 2 Actions:
Doriam (JOAT): Global Nighttalk
Raitaki (Tracker): Track Shadoweh
Shadoweh (Bodyguard): Defend ActionDan
Pakkitoru (Vig): Vig Shalako
Skypal (Roleblock): Ion Dan
Shalako (NightKill): Kill Raitaki
Conqurer (Roleclop): Scan Murrin
Conquror (Drones): Move Drones to Shalako [Drones destroyed]
DNA (Drones): Produce new Defense Drones
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Sector 3 Actions:
Darkninja (Drones): Send Attack Drones to ActionDan (Failed)
ActionDan (Commuter): Commute
Shadoweh (Bodyguard): Defend Patorikku
Serela (Vengeful): Target ActionDan (Failed)
Dorian (JOAT): Jail Patorikku
Conqueror (Roleclop): Scan ActionDan (Failed)
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Sector 4 Actions:
Serela (Vengeful): Target Conqueror
Shadoweh (Bodyguard): Defend Conqueror
Conqueror (NightKill): Kill Shadoweh
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Sector 5 Actions:
Conqueror (Nightkill): Kill Patorikku
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Fun fact: The endgame screenshots were all made in a single attempt in FTL (in Normal mode) with The Kestrel A.
Almost all the screenshots were gotten exclusively by playing the game (although most were just suiciding a ship, and a couple were retrieved from the internet because I haven't bothered to unlock them all)
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This is sent using bloody expensive roaming data which costed me eight dollars or something because nnr picture spam
Fuck everything
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conq is getting added to my "even if I think they're super town they might be tricking me" list with hw
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Damnit, someone even SAID earlier that Conq had a really convincing scum game! Doesn't really help me, knowing I was already hyper-focused on the scummiest-looking at the time and basically towncleared him from D3...
Actually, if you guys don't mind me asking, how'd I fare this game, aside from the tinfoil hat moments? It's technically my first time playing forum mafia, and while I've played EpicMafia plenty of times, (it's basically a real-time browser-based mafia with a lot of standardized setups and whatnot for the unfamiliar) I was fairly certain the meta here would be vastly different. I know I basically snapped by the end of D5, so I dunno... General improvement pointers?
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I mostly skimmed the game since I was busy the whole time with work, but you seemed to hold yourself pretty well. Using your vig shot on Shalako was pretty good thinking, as well. I would have been a bit disappointed had you not done that, since town seemed to think he was unkillable during the day phase for ???some reason??? because apparently my setups are that broken.
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>What do you think of putting all the chips on you to win the game?
Even if I'm the most likely person to survive to the endgame, I have a history of fucking up LYLOs as scum and losing, so I dunno.
Big hand for Conq pulling of the solo man
I already know from what I skimmed of this page that Shalako is a seriously try-hard newbie and would deserve a medal if he's scum (patent pending for later drop-off).
(http://www.evgeni-plushenko.com/forum/images/smilies/plush11.gif)
Actually, if you guys don't mind me asking, how'd I fare this game, aside from the tinfoil hat moments? It's technically my first time playing forum mafia, and while I've played EpicMafia plenty of times, (it's basically a real-time browser-based mafia with a lot of standardized setups and whatnot for the unfamiliar) I was fairly certain the meta here would be vastly different. I know I basically snapped by the end of D5, so I dunno... General improvement pointers?
Like Town of Salem? Those are way shorter games ain't they? I just assumed you were another regular here so that's a good sign.
RE: Double Jailer debacle I saw Neko was concerned about skimming over the Mod thread.
I don't think it's anything to worry about, you warned everybody about Red Herrings & Mod-Gaming and such and it's not like having 2 of the same roles isn't unheard of.
I wanted to say this in the Mafia Thread/Dead thread but couldn't but i've literally seen someone lynched for having their Role written by a 10-year old girl
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also, credit where its due, I too had to agree conqs scumgame was really convincing. Plus I was feeling (and by extension the majority of town) very apathetic after the scums who weren't really playing or engaging the playerbase got lynched and it felt like the game just fell apart from that point. The lynch on shalako was gratifying because he's adopting a shitty aggravating playstyle of which I was personally a victim of, but other than that he's just...really, average, I suppose?
I don't like sky ps scumgame. It felt more like a chore to lynch him because roles/priorities than we besting hI'm logically.
That, Conq has played wonderfully all along. I barely had any suspicion on him until the last day when we had to read through the game again. And he tripped over his initial townclear on me for effort to suspecting me for scum for the same reason which was what sky p also did.
Nnr buddies scumfolks way too much. I mean its fine to have a nice chat and all, but I think allowing even dead people to chip in takes away alot of the pressure as being lonely scum on their last stand. I also personally believe a vital part of the challenge being scum is despite having more information than town, there's still a degree of uncertainty which would discourage more daring plays. The confirmed workable fakeclaims would have been very powerful if the other scums had taken advantage of it as Conq did, and completely screw with rolegaming in such a role intense setup
Anyway, enough of me being salty, congrads to Conq for reversing his scum lylo record, I probably wouldve instant voted Dan to game over it without even caring because before I subbed out as I was very done with such a tiring and dissatisfying cause. and I was very lonely gamewise since I know nobody appreciates people being pushy.
Personal town MVP: patrorikku
your play was fantastic, and your decision to shoot shalako to reveal otherwise hard to obtain information was very valuable.
I dunno what I disliked most about town play. Dorians selfhammer, serelas backwards forwards and finally backwards decision to use his vengekill, or just Dan being Dan. I would probably pick me not bothering to reread people(ie Conq) and basically trying to end the game asap since d3 as the shittiest play though, since I cost us the major advantage we had and just wordspammed people to death. I had a work trip and the game just lasted way longer (and later) then I expected, so yeah, sorry about that.
Ggwp everyone
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Congratulations
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both town and scum played well
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kind of one of those actual "good games" you hear about.
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Since shalako brought it up, I will note that funnily every townread shadoweh had this game turned to be scumslots, except serela.
So serela x shadoweh otp confirmed?
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There was one point in lylo after I thought BT seemed way to crazy where I wrote:
"Fuck it: ##Target: Conq"
But just didn't send it, because I couldn't
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I am also going to rack up crazy expensive internet bills if I don't hold my tongue now, so later buds
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Nnr buddies scumfolks way too much. I mean its fine to have a nice chat and all, but I think allowing even dead people to chip in takes away alot of the pressure as being lonely scum on their last stand.
What are you talking about?
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Also, I don't care no more about the money, but thank you BT for picking up my slack and breathing new life into the game. It was wonderful to have you here. Thank you.
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There was one point in lylo after I thought BT seemed way to crazy where I wrote:
"Fuck it: ##Target: Conq"
I suspected you might do this. I even outlined in the scum QT how I would lose after BT decided you'd be too crazy to do that as scum. :V
Anyway, good game all around.
DNA: That was a fuckup after NNR sent the dead town the scum QT. I can assure you that I felt tons of pressure as scum on the last stand regardless, and I just realized that my poor scumbuddies had no dead qt to troll afterwards.
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@Patorikku You did fine, you posted well and used your role well.
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wow
Th..that's right, scum ultrabussing is weird. Off the top of my head, things I noticed in the game but obviously didn't convince me -
1) The SB kill
2) Reluctance to post
3) Cop/Roleclop similarities
4) Not actually analyzing that much (not reading DNA etc.)
Though that's like, nah, even Conq's posts in LYLO were really good. Like, basically making good posts on the fly to make it look like you're rereading the thread but nope. :V Sorry Dan, I shouldn't have tunneled on you as relatively quickly as I did.
Uh, so no graveyard?
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The graveyard is the scum qt. :v
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I actually did reread the thread, it's just that I fudged my conclusions.
Edit: although I didn't bother reading dna's posts beyond a skim because I just couldn't
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My personal town MVP is Dorian
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I didn'tt think Dorian was scum by the end of that day, but by then I was like fuck it, I was wrong about everyone else so..
Yes, you deserve a medal in my books Shalako, you had me completely fooled. :(
Funny thing, I was suspicious of Conq ever since the SB kill, but had no way to say it because Conq is just so Absolutely Fabulous.
This loss is also mine and SB's fault! Gulting Conq into rolling us, represent!
That and being at camp didn't help. They promised me it would have full wifi and yet..
Congrats to everyone, I can't even be mad at BT and Dan, they just kept up the same train of thought everyone else did. It was a good game on all sides.
Patchydude should stay because I thought you were town's best hope at the time.
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Good game. Conq did quite well, every time someone mentioned him doing something scummy and I looked at him it still looked like excusable town behaviour and better than the other options at hand. As for Shalako, well, he actually did well most of the time I guess? It was really hard to decide most of the time, though LD2 I guess I became sold because it felt like he was appeasing too hard? Not sure about Shalako as a town player, but he might become pretty convincing scum if he figures out how to support a forced suspicion. Honestly I didn't have a good scumread on anyone D2 so I had to force cases against Shadoweh and Shalako.
Fun fact: When I saw the thread come up I was like "haha let's pretend to be an AI" just for kicks. Then next morning I opened my email and saw an MoTK PM notification telling me I got the auto-scout and I was like wow holy shit the luck. Then I saw another one above it titled "WARNING" and I went oh.
Also just wondering did you guys at scum inc. figure out I was an investigative role? When D2 started I claimed roleblocked and immediately went like "wait shit what if only roles with results get notified". Then I think I acted pretty PR-y N2 too. I roll scum/non-PRs too often. Pretending to not be an important PR is hard.
Also was I the only one not invited to the scum qt party ;_;
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My opinion was that the only possibility was conq being a Roleclop to warrant conq being given a cop fake claim (see sky's jailer fakeclaim) furthermore I'd have suspected him of using that on shadoweh so he'd have known he could safely fake a result on her. But if so, Shadoweh dying N3 would have happened in all probability.
As for his play it's been strong everywhere you look.
I cri evrytim
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I will say though that the argument Neko was having with Sky P in thread, which appears to be bleed-out from the Mafia QT, was very not good. It was not hard to infer that you were mad that people might take your actions as mod-confirming the fakeclaim, but wow did Sky P not deserve you going on a barrage in him in the Mafia QT.
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Also just wondering did you guys at scum inc. figure out I was an investigative role? When D2 started I claimed roleblocked and immediately went like "wait shit what if only roles with results get notified".
No, but we knew there was a tracker and since you had a night action you had a good chance of being said tracker.
Plus I mistook your RVS vote as a crumb.
Edit: Actually just by role POE we had either you, Dan, or Serela as the tracker by N2.
I think half the players got the dead qt and half the players didnt judging by who showed up.
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gg wp.
I have been following this game past D2 some what. Not specific reading all cases/posts but Darkninja gave too much of a scum vibe before he replaced out. I was expecting Dan not to get shot and left over. Because if I was scum, I too would leave Dan alive because of the note somewhere if Selery was town Dan would be next lynch. Also Ninja went extreme-tunnel on Selery during his wagon which made it feel bit like: "Are you serious?" (But I am mafia noob so what would I know)
BT taking over sounded almost as he was pushing too hard on Ninja being town which felt for me scummy. Especially all the meta-analysis and "In your past game you did X Y Z " made it all even more weird for me as outsider. I was hoping Conq would vote BT first then expecting BT to counter vote Conq so Dan would be left in the middle (Him expecting to be town was confirmed). Though didn't suspect Conq at all so strong plays for sure.
I do want to note that I definitely did not like Neko's attitude or game management. I have no idea what happened behind the screens but I felt bit iffy/annoyed while seeing his posts. If this wasn't your intention, it was giving off that vibe. Lack of vote-counts and lack of timers made it even for an outsider/observer like me, very annoying and tiring to read and to understand where everybody was.
Then again the dropping out / replacing was also a huge mess. I think the game felt like a drag. Or is this feeling wrong?
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Ok after reading the QT the iffy-vibe has been confirmed. That is a bit disappointing to witness. #189 was totally unnecessary imo. Especially as there seems to be a genuine confusion and as result slip up.
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I think the game felt like a drag. Or is this feeling wrong?
I dunno was really strange to me how people were cleared for Effort (a completely pointless reason since Scum can put effort in) seems apathetic to me and both the Meta cases that were present this game...
Like people not being bothered to read any of DNA's walls is nuts to me. My mentor was one of his "type" of players but she was less...abrasive for no reason and more concise and she could rally the Town. She still bulldog'd but she'd be right at least and able to swing people around to her side instead of wasting time until the Deadline.
DNA just kinda...Deadlocks onto a target then becomes insulting for no reason, i'd hoped it'd be just in game but I guess not~.
Nekos warnings were fine, I don't think me or DNA were being mean to each other or at least are capable of laughing it off but I can see why a Mod wouldn't want that in the game.
I think Neko also got swamped irl Re: Votecounts
Having pretty much 2 scum kinda was rough but I understand Sky Pally and Mr.Bard had irl things happen.
I dunno kinda rambling :3
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Re #189/Sky Claiming Flavor I didn't really understand it, but i've never been in a game that has flavor you can't talk about/ rampantly speculate about to the detriment of the town most of the time.
I understand No talking about flavor in game was because of the amount of Flavor in the Role PMs or something?
1It was really hard to decide most of the time, though LD2 I guess I became sold because it felt like he was appeasing too hard? Not sure about Shalako as a town player, but he might become pretty convincing scum if he figures out how to support a forced suspicion.
2Also just wondering did you guys at scum inc. figure out I was an investigative role? When D2 started I claimed roleblocked and immediately went like "wait shit what if only roles with results get notified". Then I think I acted pretty PR-y N2 too. I roll scum/non-PRs too often. Pretending to not be an important PR is hard.
1 I'm used to being the "Active" member of the team so the others can buss you anytime for credit/take attention etc but my whole style is based around my bad habits as town and it doesn't really stand on it's own since...my Town game is ehh has it's faults that I have to emulate as Mafia until I get them worked out.
2. The best way i've seen to avoid outing yourself as a PR was a player I saw once who flat out didn't read his Role PM.
But DNA literally outing his role for no reason (I thought he was baiting as a PGO or something but I guess not? ) helped narrow down who to target.
Gut said not Murren until he was replaced and shot me :<
You didn't do anything obvious like swapping your Town list right out of night or anything.
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I can understand Dorian hammering himself after getting counterclaimed by the mod.
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gg wp.
I have been following this game past D2 some what. Not specific reading all cases/posts but Darkninja gave too much of a scum vibe before he replaced out. I was expecting Dan not to get shot and left over. Because if I was scum, I too would leave Dan alive because of the note somewhere if Selery was town Dan would be next lynch. Also Ninja went extreme-tunnel on Selery during his wagon which made it feel bit like: "Are you serious?" (But I am mafia noob so what would I know)
BT taking over sounded almost as he was pushing too hard on Ninja being town which felt for me scummy. Especially all the meta-analysis and "In your past game you did X Y Z " made it all even more weird for me as outsider. I was hoping Conq would vote BT first then expecting BT to counter vote Conq so Dan would be left in the middle (Him expecting to be town was confirmed). Though didn't suspect Conq at all so strong plays for sure.
I do want to note that I definitely did not like Neko's attitude or game management. I have no idea what happened behind the screens but I felt bit iffy/annoyed while seeing his posts. If this wasn't your intention, it was giving off that vibe. Lack of vote-counts and lack of timers made it even for an outsider/observer like me, very annoying and tiring to read and to understand where everybody was.
Then again the dropping out / replacing was also a huge mess. I think the game felt like a drag. Or is this feeling wrong?
Yeah, it's just, like...
-My work hours literally tripled after the game started, making work really stressful and making managing the game feeling a lot more like a chore.
-One of my jobs is extremely frustrating by virtue of being a shitty job in general, and it's the one I get to experience before I get a chance to look at the game thread each day.
-Having to deal with a slot that got screwed by virtue of having the player just leave for no discernible reason is hard, especially when I don't have an indicator of if the player is actually coming back.
-I can't have a duo slot posting in thread because it's just annoying to read for other people, so I have to actually replace him in if he has to post.
-I can't have a hydra account for them because the admins said no, so there's no hope for having him take over until I can just guess Bard wasn't coming back
-It was a rule I made clear multiple times, long before the game started, long before I even started taking signups, and I thought I had made extremely clear which part of the role PM you could and couldn't use in thread.
-He asked about it and I even told him it was a flavor part of the fake claim, earlier in the game
Admittedly I kind of unleashed some pent up frustration out on the whole ordeal, but, like, I just don't understand how it could have happened outside of total ignorance. I had fairly good reason to keep the flavor of the PMs under wraps, and outing it is just like the same thing as posting a quoted part of the role. If the players had played Game The Flavor it would have just devolved into an utter trainwreck and I really wanted to prevent it from occurring, and punish it hard if I saw it. Sky's reaction only exacerbated my frustration-venting, especially when he took it into the game thread itself. Not that I'm blaming sky for me blowing a gasket, but trying to use the modvote to 'confirm' his role made me pretty angry too.
After that happened, for awhile I just stopped wanting to look at the game, since it just made me feel moodier, and my desire to continue modding the game properly took a pretty big dip. I didn't have any co-mods helping me either so I couldn't rely on anyone else to back me up.
I can understand Dorian hammering himself after getting counterclaimed by the mod.
What the fuck?
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Sorry for flaking and disappearing. Had to deal with a mistaken eviction nonsense thing and that kind of commanded my full and undivided attention. :D
Props to Sky Pal for picking up after me and Conqueror for winning. I never realised I could post in the scum QT because it was the dead QT.
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A Co-mod would've been definitely an important factor which was missing. It would save you the trouble, which I already also seen in the QT, a stressful RL. Not sure if I would encourage people to host complex games when RL is a mess/trouble. Especially without a co-mod. Careful consideration needs to be done for that but I am sure (or hope) lessons were learned.
In the end, it is indeed all a game.
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I never realised I could post in the scum QT because it was the dead QT.
I was told I couldn't :X sucks about eviction that's crazy.
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A Co-mod would've been definitely an important factor which was missing. It would save you the trouble, which I already also seen in the QT, a stressful RL. Not sure if I would encourage people to host complex games when RL is a mess/trouble. Especially without a co-mod. Careful consideration needs to be done for that but I am sure (or hope) lessons were learned.
In the end, it is indeed all a game.
My work didn't triple (and I didn't expect it) until after the game started, so I didn't really have a way to predict it.
I thought I had comods but Elieson (who I planned to be my comod) wasn't around on here, and I didn't really want to go out of the way to bug him on SF to come back for it. I asked Prims to help keep tabs on hammervotes but I never ended up really needing him for that either.Sorry for flaking and disappearing. Had to deal with a mistaken eviction nonsense thing and that kind of commanded my full and undivided attention. :D
Props to Sky Pal for picking up after me and Conqueror for winning. I never realised I could post in the scum QT because it was the dead QT.
Scum QT wasn't intended to be a dead QT, and indeed dead scum were supposed to be barred from posting on it, but dead people shenanigans caused my actual dead QT (http://quicktopic.com/51/H/8RMRBA54Wsr) to never actually get any use. I forgot to link it to further dead people after D1 because of the formentioned "workload increase"
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I was told I couldn't :X sucks about eviction that's crazy.
They got the wrong person. Financial administration clicked wrongly and pulled the wrong name and address, I faithfully pay all my bills!
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What the fuck?
Well if it had happened to me, I would have been extremely irritated and disheartened in the game.
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Well if it had happened to me, I would have been extremely irritated and disheartened in the game.
When did this happen to Dorian?
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@ Oarfish, I thought Dorian self hammered because of the "depressed / powerless" feeling due to the wagon. Reminded me of my one Mafia game when I did that and people told me too: Never self hammer.
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Was that the kyuubey game? >>
I think not hammering is a little different when the day is at deadline and it'll be a no-lynch otherwise
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Was that the kyuubey game? >>
Yea I think it was Darker than Dark Darkest very Dark.
I think not hammering is a little different when the day is at deadline and it'll be a no-lynch otherwise
afaik there was some time left.
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actually you hammered yourself a little bit -after- deadline hit :V I remember because I was scum and I was "aww" when the mod counted it anyway ;_; But I understood, because no lynches are lame
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Oh no I meant for the current game that Dorian self-hammered while there was plenty of time left.
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When did this happen to Dorian?
:V I didn't read the QTs, what DID happen with Sky's fakeclaim? Even if the line doesn't say "there is no rebel jailkeeper, not by a one shot, not even a one-shot", it's a bad fakeclaim to give mafia when they have no reason to doubt it.
Oh and about subbing Bard out, IMO deciding that players will be subbed out after X hours no matter what and sticking to it is best. If you start tailoring that time to the player being subbed out it risks revealing information about the player's slot.
Other than that... I thought I'd give you some thanks for hosting. You do good flavor!
BT taking over sounded almost as he was pushing too hard on Ninja being town which felt for me scummy. Especially all the meta-analysis and "In your past game you did X Y Z " made it all even more weird for me as outsider. I was hoping Conq would vote BT first then expecting BT to counter vote Conq so Dan would be left in the middle (Him expecting to be town was confirmed). Though didn't suspect Conq at all so strong plays for sure.
It probably says something when it never occurred to me that I was even using """meta""". We usually call it meta when someone goes overboard and bases most of their read off of it, but yeah, we use meta a lot. It's kind of a given when it's the same players all the time.
I dunno was really strange to me how people were cleared for Effort (a completely pointless reason since Scum can put effort in) seems apathetic to me and both the Meta cases that were present this game....
Uh, recently, scumteams here have turned on the lurk to 11. I speak as part of the problem. So I think it's great that we prioritize effort like this, or else we'd justify lurking even more.
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With Sky's claim, he claimed something that was in the flavor part of his role in thread. I only noticed during my lunch break after my shitty job.
People were asking if I was going to do something about it, so I felt obligated to give a punishment that wasnt gamebreaking since Modkills Are Bad.
189 in the scum qt was me ragging on him for it, but the responses I got made me snap because I felt like nobody was paying attention to anything I had set up so far, which is maddening after working a job where nobody listens to me or things I need to work.
Initially I tried to calm down but then when I saw the post with sky trying to use it to modconfirm I just exploded, it felt like I was being punched in the gut.
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Phone is being weird about posts.
Anyway I regret the tirade. Getting ignored or harassed is a hot button issue for me right now due to work.
Besided that modding the gamw was interested when I wasnt getting a migrane over it. Writing all the flavor was fun too.
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Uh, recently, scumteams here have turned on the lurk to 11. I speak as part of the problem. So I think it's great that we prioritize effort like this, or else we'd justify lurking even more.
Yea I noticed that Re:Policy lynches of New Players/Lurkers not being shot down but i'm not sure if this is the place to discuss why that's a bad idea because you should just shoot them in the face at night.
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It's easy to say "you should shoot them in the face at night" but a lot of setups don't have any non-scum killing roles, and when they're present it's usually a one-shot.
We don't policy lynch new players, though, that's silly.
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I can understand Dorian hammering himself after getting counterclaimed by the mod.
@ Oarfish, I thought Dorian self hammered because of the "depressed / powerless" feeling due to the wagon. Reminded me of my one Mafia game when I did that and people told me too: Never self hammer.
Not really, I self hammered because the outcome of the day was already set in stone, so I just took the liberty to take it to it's consequent conclusion.
By the way, if you get upset about a day ending early then don't put someone at L-1 half way into the day, cause that's just crying about something you encouraged to happen. <_<
But now to more pleasant things. Our (Anti) Hero of the day, I guess it's already thing to fool a bunch of townnys along as Conq did here but to bring a new player that entered LyLo with a supposedly clear mind to think the same way everyone else did so far is really an achievement. So congratulation.^.^/
Also, I found it hilarious how your view switched from me, the guy with still only one scumgame on his own where he even rather bussed himself than his buddys, had the nervous and ambitions to come up with a ?scheme to crossbus for cred? to busing happy Serela, with god knows how many games of scum experience, who couldn't ?really afford to lose another (scum) player??
Gosh Conq!
Read my scum game Conq!
Gosh Conq!
And now to who I see as towns (Tragic) Hero, it may be that his lessened presence overplays it a bit but I still remember how frightening clear and accurate Dans read were this game, predicting 2 out of 3 scum from almost the beginning. It's only to bad that we couldn't be town buddys for the whole game, ^^; still thanks for your help.^^
And before I forget it.
@Patorikku: I think you played well but it can't hurt if you put a bit more emphasis on your own points. It may be just me or the circumstances but I remember you more agreeing with others than putting your own ideas to work.
Which would be a too bad, cause I think that your idea of partly claiming one thing after another to keep town turned was better than my ?lets give myself an alibi for ED2/Night2? idea.
I shall remember that, next time.^^
Yea I noticed that Re:Policy lynches of New Players/Lurkers not being shot down but i'm not sure if this is the place to discuss why that's a bad idea because you should just shoot them in the face at night.
I guess it wasn't shoot down because no one took DNA serious at that moment.^^;
But yes, Serela is right, ?leave the questionable player to the Vig that may or may not even exist this game? isn't a working approach here.
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I didn't read this game but good job Conq I knew you could do it as long as town didn't lynch you for being alive in 3p LYLO
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but a lot of setups don't have any non-scum killing roles, and when they're present it's usually a one-shot.
How strange.
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This loss is also mine and SB's fault! Gulting Conq into rolling us, represent!
I TRIED TO MURDER HIM OKAY BUT IT DIDN'T WORK AND THEN I WAFFLED
Also Serela was confirmed town from the moment I died since the SMYLO announcement appeared but nobody noticed that :V
But yeah I played like crap this game so sorry about that.
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Heal Bombs: Heal Bombs are an interesting combination of Engi nanomachine and ion burst technology, allowing you to stun and heal the crew of a ship at the same time. While your ship currently does not have the missile supply to actually use Heal Bombs, you know that the Rebels do not have access to them either.
These abilities only work during the Scrapping Cycle, but you may only use one at a time.
tldr you're Federation-Aligned, QT link is above. You're a Federation Roleblocker. You can safely fakeclaim as a Rebel Odd Night Jailer, if you do not desire to claim Roleblocker.
While your ship currently does not have the missile supply to actually use Heal Bombs, you know that the Rebels do not have access to them either.
I can only see two ways to interpret this statement.
1: Rebels do not have jailing capability.
2: Rebels do not have missiles.
1 is wrong, and 2 relies on flavor ...
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I can only see two ways to interpret this statement.
1: Rebels do not have jailing capability.
2: Rebels do not have missiles.
1 is wrong, and 2 relies on flavor ...
Well if you'd read any of my QTs, I point it out as a mistake resulting from last-minute setup changes.
And as people point out, Dorian wasn't lynched for a 'scum counterclaim'.
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that's the only reason I would have lynched him.
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So, you're saying it's a mistake that might have been caught if someone else had looked over your setup after you finished it?
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So, you're saying it's a mistake that might have been caught if someone else had looked over your setup after you finished it?
I had three bloody people check it over?
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and what did they say about it?
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Well Elieson helped me do some balancing early in the setup, Prims was responsible for the last-minute changes, like turning Shadoweh from a BP Bodyguard to a 1-Save Doc (Or a Bodyguard who can't use BP on himself, it was essentially the same role in essence), among other things, and it forced me to change the fakeclaim into something less Doctory.
Pretty sure I had at least one other person from SF look at it.
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I see, so because Prims made you write something wrong into Skypal's role, you want to discourage Bard from having me review his setup. Makes sense.
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Prims didn't make me write anything, I rewrote a role, which inadvertently messed up a fakeclaim, which was similar to the role the JOAT had, who obviously had more to his role then just a 1-shot roleblock, claimed with full knowledge that the Odd Night Jailer was a safeclaim, which smart scum would know to avoid (or have a different fakeclaim handed to them entirely), so overall, Dorian's role making him a modconfirmed fake scum claim doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense,
Clearly the problem here is over-reliance on the setup to find scum, however, rather then looking at individual play, since I stated in the setup that there could be red herrings anyway.
But enough about that. From recent experience, I don't believe you can play a proper Mafia game on good terms, much less moderate one or judge a setup. I don't think you have much authority to question my setup, given you obviously refused to play in it, and did not care to actually take any interest other then to complain about it.
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"players simply gotta to play the correct way"
"you can't play a proper game"
"moderating games and checking setups is so cool you guys"
sounds pretty elitist.
Perhaps you forgot, but my objection to signing up wasn't because of problems with your setups or moderation, it was because the last game had people who signed up and then did not play. That also happened to a lesser degree in this game.
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Hey friend borrowed me WiFi
Not taking sides, but IMHO the governor wasnt really a player friendly role since its demotivating for town. It is balanced on paper, but practically it just apparently tends to screw up the game more than improve it.
The flavorban shouldnt be necessary if mod wouldnt opt to follow the plot so closely, whIch as HW said, is kinda bad game design.
I just think mod should keep interaction with any players to bare minimum. That includes roles such as the SK and scums. Since from what Ive seen from the convo and qts and past games and whatnot, nnr cares alot about the games and enjoys modding, but the problem here is that he's too easily irritable and proactive in his modding he ends up sometimes outright tipping the anti town factions, which results in salty players and annoyed observers. Sometimes not even winning the favor of those who he's trying to help and generally being thought of as a bad mod/player.
I am saying this not because I want to offend, but because I see so much alike in nnr and I in that we too very easily tends to bring our iRL stress into the game and ends up compromising our effort to try and make players have fun, nnrs flavor is very on spot, but he made it clear even to players he became less and less invested in the game, thus the same happened to the playerbase too. After all, if even the host isn't enjoying his party, it will be difficult for your guests to do the same
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The fakeclaim format was just wrong IMO, by no means should you add a 'town definitely doesn't have this role' as a clause when indeed part of the role is present in another town role and you clearly have shown to have a policy to refuse to answer questions that aim to rolegame, thats slightly bastard since we would expect role information to be absolutely true and this misleading information did have a part in directing our lynch at whoever claiming roleblock.
I think what you need is an alt version of a fakeclaim that suggests alt more towny titles scum can claim, which, even when cc'd and getting the scum lynched, will not have such devastating consequences for the towny if scum flipped.
I don't think the results matter too much, roles don't invalidate conqs amazing play regardless if town wouldve won with an extra mislynch, the point of talking about this is so we can have even better setups later, and bickering about stuff postgame and antagonizing people probably won't help with that
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Prims didn't make me write anything, I rewrote a role, which inadvertently messed up a fakeclaim, which was similar to the role the JOAT had, who obviously had more to his role then just a 1-shot roleblock, claimed with full knowledge that the Odd Night Jailer was a safeclaim, which smart scum would know to avoid (or have a different fakeclaim handed to them entirely), so overall, Dorian's role making him a modconfirmed fake scum claim doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense, ...
That's what made me wonder too and I think the problem wasn't that the mod said ?the role Dorian claimed isn't in the game? but rather that no one went further than the superficial ?Dorian is apparently lying about his role, so he must be scum? idea nor thought about why I would do that as scum.
- I counter claimed my last buddy, so I had to go through at least two days more to win.
- I faked the claim (cause scum couldn't have the role either), which forced me to either idle the kill or to reduce my misliynch pool to provide a role I don't had.
- I knew that the save claim of my buddy contradicts my claim, so I had to expect that it will cost me a great deal of town credit.
So again, why would I do that as scum? 0_0
But that's just curiosity, cause that was only Dans reason to lynch me. The other were:
Serelas reason was PoE, Conq was mad at me for not framing someone for him, DNA was biased to the point that he called me out on bussing even before Sky fliped and Puerto Rico mostly agreed with the others.
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I am saying this not because I want to offend, but because I see so much alike in nnr and I in that we too very easily tends to bring our iRL stress into the game and ends up compromising our effort to try and make players have fun, nnrs flavor is very on spot, but he made it clear even to players he became less and less invested in the game, thus the same happened to the playerbase too. After all, if even the host isn't enjoying his party, it will be difficult for your guests to do the same
Yeah, stress is a constant problem for me, since I tend to create for myself a huge amount, even on minor things, and I'm extremely bad at being able to internalize more then a set amount (which isn't actually a very high bar), or just shrug it off, as things will still bother me if I try to shrug off / ignore it. I vent off a lot for that reason, as it's the only reliable way to calm down after any large amount of stress is piled on me.
The game itself simply had to be put in the background at a lot of points because work piling it on made stress much more huge problem, and modding the game can be stressful in its own way.
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NNR has, for a big part of his RL life, had essentially no control over his freedom or decision making due to very difficult RL pressures. It's natural that he would want to tightly control the one precious thing he could share with us - the game that he imagined.
Thanks for running the game, NNR. You put in a huge amount of effort in what was surely a very difficult time for you. Well done.
Im sorry i broken the rule about not claiming flavor, it was a simple misinderstaning. Grats team scum for the win o/
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I think this thread can be best summed up with this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NylmdC_uEM