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Title: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Garlyle on November 24, 2014, 12:42:46 PM
Etrian Odyssey is a fucking amazing first person dungeon crawler RPG series, and if you are clicking this link wondering what the hell it is you have been missing out.  If you have a 3DS go download the demo of Etrian Odyssey IV (or EO Untold, but EO4 is better for newcomers).  Or just listen to how beautiful the music is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf03W9oA4Cw) and then go buy it.

For the rest of us:

Persona Q: Shadows of the Labyrinth, a Persona 3/4 spinoff as built by the Etrian Odyssey team, releases tomorrow in North America.

Etrian Odyssey Untold 2: The Knight of Fenrir has just released in Japan.

To those who followed EOU2's announcement, there was once three pages of teaser - 2, D, and X.  It turns out the 2 literally was only Etrian Odyssey Untold 2, because...
* Etrian Odyssey X Mystery Dungeon announced (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTUHNpxK-E)
* ETRIAN ODYSSEY V (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbWGrYa_-E)

Long story short it's time for ETRIAN ODYSSEY HYPE
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: theshirn on November 24, 2014, 02:22:58 PM
eo5 GET HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Suwako Moriya on November 24, 2014, 03:11:26 PM
jfc I still need to get tired of Smash for long enough to beat EOIV I don't have time for EOU2 and EOX and EO5 ;_;
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: notverycreative on November 24, 2014, 03:18:30 PM
I'm getting Persona Q for Christmas. EO isn't really my thing, though. Don't hate it. I just don't think I'm hardcore-enough. I'll stick to robbits and IF games.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Serela on November 24, 2014, 03:23:06 PM
Same here; PQ for christmas. Specifically because I need it for the 10 hour car drive up to grandma's and back XD

Although damn, that's... more EO than I expected!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Matsuri on November 24, 2014, 04:48:16 PM
AHAHAHAHAHA I KNEW IT

ETRIAN ODYSSEY V :* :* :*
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Makedounia on November 24, 2014, 06:07:18 PM
EO5 HYPE!!! 
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: KrackoCloud on November 24, 2014, 07:01:19 PM
Ooh! This is exciting. I heard about V, but I had no idea about the mystery dungeon.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on November 24, 2014, 07:16:16 PM
* Etrian Odyssey X Mystery Dungeon announced (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTUHNpxK-E)
It was nice meeting you, wallet. You served me well.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Matsuri on November 24, 2014, 07:19:25 PM
Holy shit half-awake me didn't even see EOX Mystery Dungeon.

Oh my god an EO Roguelike

holy shit

take my money ALL OF IT

best series ever hands down
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Garlyle on November 24, 2014, 09:31:11 PM
Holy shit half-awake me didn't even see EOX Mystery Dungeon.
It's easy to miss in the screaming about EOV

I am so happy EO is slowly taking over as one of Atlus' more invested-in franchises.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 25, 2014, 04:43:07 AM
Woooooooooooo!!!!! I gonna be getting Persona Q tomorrow, however I can play it on Christmas due to stuff.  :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on November 25, 2014, 04:55:56 AM
Asked for a gift card for my birthday two weeks ago specifically to go use on Persona Q tomorrow :V
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 25, 2014, 05:00:40 AM
To be honest I already saw  SuperJeenius livetstream the Japanese version of Persona Q, well just a little bit so I know some parts of the game, but not a whole lot.

Edit: PERSONA Q IS OUT HYYYYYYYYYYYYPE!!!!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Garlyle on November 25, 2014, 11:51:32 AM
To be honest I already saw  SuperJeenius livetstream the Japanese version of Persona Q, well just a little bit so I know some parts of the game, but not a whole lot.

Edit: PERSONA Q IS OUT HYYYYYYYYYYYYPE!!!!
Hhhhhhh

I have to wait another like four hours before I'll be home from work and able to download it ;-;

(I have no idea who my party is going to consist of.  Apparently though you're stuck with the MC of whichever story version you play regardless, and the other MC needs to be level 55 to trigger a major quest [although you can just slap "get exp when not in the party" rings on them if you really])
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2014, 02:03:43 PM
My copy of Q is shipping today, and I didn't get first-day delivery because I got fucked over on my first-day for P4AU (I took the day off work to play it and it showed up at 6:30 PM). So I saved on shipping costs, which matters even less given that I have Pokemon to play on my 3DS already, but my copy will be here soon in theory. I've never played an Etrian Odyssey outside of half an hour of the demo once and I didn't really like it.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Ghaleon on November 25, 2014, 03:29:47 PM
I want a 3ds qquueeee. Waiting for the new version to come out, but ill snag a regular xl one if i can for 100 or less.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Sana on November 25, 2014, 04:14:35 PM
EOU2 has BATH DLC. For 350 yen. And it gives you sketchy bath portraits. Is this still EO??
Also free additional portraits oh mannnnnnn so good
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: theshirn on November 25, 2014, 05:09:23 PM
EOU2 has BATH DLC. For 350 yen. And it gives you sketchy bath portraits. Is this still EO??
Also free additional portraits oh mannnnnnn so good
ugh what
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Garlyle on November 25, 2014, 08:05:59 PM
ugh what
Hot Springs episode DLC.

Not sure how to feel.  Untold is basically full anime tho it was to be expected

In other news I want to stay up and play the shit out of PQ but I really need to sleep.  My life is suffering or something.  Enjoying it so far though.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 25, 2014, 10:24:08 PM
I've acquired my Persona Q game from Gamestop along with the free Tarot cards and I'm going for TEAM PERSONA 4 because of Naoto and Rise. I'm happy my aunt allowed me to play my Persona Q game ehehehe... although I'm stuck cooking Thanksgiving food until further notice. Hmm... now who do I want to use though aaaaaaagh. Also I will say I do know how to beat some bosses of it due to me watching SuperJeenius stream the Japanese version on twitch.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Garlyle on November 26, 2014, 05:20:51 AM
Oh yeah, speaking of DLC, seems Persona Q has some.  For the moment at least it's free DLC though - just an extra subpersona in your compendium to summon.  Not sure how long it'll remain free (Atlus seems fond of the "early adopters get DLC free" model).  There's supposed to later be DLC to get Elizabeth and Nanako as navigators though (which I'm not gonna lie are both tempting).
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on November 26, 2014, 05:46:18 AM
Also another free DLC in a week. Not sure how long either will be free though yeah.

ANYWAY oh god mapping in PQ is wonderful I hope EO5 takes all the new features ALL OF THEM. (I'm going team P3 though because Mitsuru. <3 With the bonus of getting to crack up at Akihiko wanting to go punch FOEs the moment he heard about them.)
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Ghaleon on November 26, 2014, 06:00:21 AM
If and when I do get my 3ds, hopefully sooner than later. Do you guys think I should get EO4 first? or Millennium girl? I HAVE played one, and I really liked it, but I think rebalancing immunize and fortify (or whatever the protector one was that stacked with immunize) would make it oh so much better (and before you say just don't use those moves, that's a good solution minus the fact I tend to favor tanky/turtle strategies in these kinds of games in general and I'd basically be not playing the way I am inclined to to begin with), and I recall it had lots of new features that people were going ape over, and I'm not really dying for a new story or anything, and I haven't memorized the mazes at all. So...just pretend I never played one, is eo4 still something I should try first? I imagine I'll snag both right away but I can only find one copy of each game hours of travel time in opposite directions or something...

Just to note I like EO3 but it was noticeably less fun to me than 1 and 2, which were roughly equal to each other, not sure if EO4 continues in a direction 3 started that some people may favor or whatever.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: theshirn on November 26, 2014, 06:52:07 AM
EO4 is the cleanest and easiest of the series, both as a whole and to get into.  Plus you can do stupid things like 5 medics and still win (do not do this).  I'd say go with that.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Garlyle on November 26, 2014, 07:34:53 AM
EO4 is the cleanest and easiest of the series, both as a whole and to get into.  Plus you can do stupid things like 5 medics and still win (do not do this).  I'd say go with that.
EO4 should absolutely be picked up.  Some really hardcore fans of the series prefer Untold Classic, but I'll argue EO4 is the best in the series (and certainly far more friendly to newer players.  Go ahead and play it on Normal - it's easier early than most EO games but will be just as difficult as others at the end [hell more difficult in many cases]).  EOU Classic is a definite improvement over EO1 though in terms of game balance even if you never touch Story, but it's still EO1 and suffers from one or two really awkward things (Grimoires arguably are better ignored, some content is story-only or requires clearing story first to have in classic).

EO4's just got a lot of design decisions that just make it really, really fun - lots of build variety with far less worthless skills/trap skills/skill sinks etc., really smooth difficulty curve, still batshit insane postgame, etc.; also I think its soundtrack is one of my favourites in any game ever.

Also I'll one up that "5 medic" with "3 dancer" (which I did) and "1 fortress" (which a friend of mine did dear lord the final boss took like 200 turns).  Then again I've seen challenge runs of literally every EO game (Ronin/Hexer EO1, War Magus/Gunner EO2, Wildling Solo EO3, Fortress Solo EO4, Dark Hunter Solo EOU - for the curious (http://tsukutaro.tumblr.com/)).
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Third Eye Lem on November 26, 2014, 08:46:46 AM
Finally watched the trailer for EOX. The good: You can play as classes from all four games released so far (except the Untold cast, which is kinda sad). The bad: The difficulty curve. The only Mystery Dungeon games I've played so far are the Pokemon ones, which are either annoying as hell if you don't cheese them and laughably easy if you do...Mostly because you could just stockpile Reviver Seeds and run through the dungeon with no regard for your own life :V I hope they allow item gathering like the original game, that should make things a little more risky and challenging, just like EO should be.

Speaking of which...Finally dug into PQ today. I like it so far! The Boost system takes some getting used to, but with Rei's SP regen and zero-cost skills, it makes most normal encounters much easier. Haven't tried the FOEs yet (why they didn't add the red/orange/blue auras like in EO4/EOU is a mystery to me), but you're encouraged to fill out the map on each floor just like in EOU
because you get items for hitting 100% on a floor
. My only gripe is that you can't set the automap floor color to anything other than gray, you have to paint it in yourself.

The dialogue is just as hilarious as ever, I can't wait for the two casts to meet up...And for the quests to unlock. :D
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Garlyle on November 26, 2014, 12:12:26 PM
I think I understand why everyone calls Naoto broken.

EDIT: As far as Persona Q DLC goes:
*December 2nd we should get the second free subpersona download (Orpheus Telos, I think it was?), and paid Thanatos and Magatsu Izanagi if you want
*December 9th we should get Elizabeth and Theodore navigators
*December 16th we should get Marie and Nanako (!!!) navigators

The navigators are functionally identical to the others, they're just different voice overs, but yeah.  Nanako navigator.  ;-;
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Post by: Matsuri on November 26, 2014, 04:28:17 PM
Is it sad that my interest in the game practically doubled with the words "Nanako navigator"

I can see it now:
"There's an enemy, guys! Fighting is bad, so don't get hurt okay?"
"Big Bro! Your face is scratched! Guys, please heal him...."

"The entrance to the next floor is ahead."
"Nanako, this is Junes."
"You mean that's not where we were going? :( "
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 26, 2014, 06:28:42 PM
Nanako as a navigator??? YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!! -flails-

Edit:
Kaguya is free DLC on Persona Q level 16 with Lunar Blessing as her unique skill which Nullifies 1 attack for 3 turns.
  AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Phlegeth on November 26, 2014, 07:30:34 PM
"You don't have any Goho-Ms with you.  Are you sure you want to get going right now?"

That's the most useful warning message ever.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Jq1790 on November 26, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
"You don't have any Goho-Ms with you.  Are you sure you want to get going right now?"

That's the most useful warning message ever.
This sounds absolutely amazing.  More games of this ilk need to do this.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 26, 2014, 08:25:51 PM
"You don't have any Goho-Ms with you.  Are you sure you want to get going right now?"

That's the most useful warning message ever.
I will hold that message to my heart.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Third Eye Lem on November 26, 2014, 08:32:10 PM
"You don't have any Goho-Ms with you.  Are you sure you want to get going right now?"

That's the most useful warning message ever.
Considering I forget to buy Threads/Warp Wires on a regular basis, this is hella useful. plz put this in future EO games atlus
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Sana on November 26, 2014, 08:57:46 PM
Considering I forget to buy Threads/Warp Wires on a regular basis, this is hella useful. plz put this in future EO games atlus
I can confirm EOU2 does NOT do this, so...maybe EO5 will have it :V
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Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on November 27, 2014, 12:14:23 AM
First look at the Mystery Dungeon crossover (http://gematsu.com/2014/11/etrian-odyssey-mystery-dungeon-first-details)

Plus have another couple nice bonuses I'm finding as I play PQ:
- DLC Personae are free to summon from the compendium the first time
- the floor completion chests can be opened with Play Coins (but man that's no fun :V)
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: theshirn on November 27, 2014, 12:42:58 AM
- the floor completion chests can be opened with Play Coins (but man that's no fun :V)
oh thank god no walking on every single damage tile
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Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on November 27, 2014, 12:45:59 AM
oh thank god no walking on every single damage tile

yeah it's true my "that's no fun" was from the perspective of being too early for that shit yet and I'm sure I'll love it later :V
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Post by: Garlyle on November 27, 2014, 02:15:41 AM
oh thank god no walking on every single damage tile
Yup.

Thing is that the cost for opening the chests is not cheap in terms of play coins - it goes down as you explore more but it can apparently cost a couple hundred play coins (and if you game over before you save you don't get them refunded).

Oh well.

Maybe I'll actually get through the first stratum at work tonight and I can start getting the P3 cast.
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Post by: Sect on November 27, 2014, 03:02:23 AM
My copy arrived today. Too bad I'm at a family friend's house for the next few days for Thanksgiving. orz
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 27, 2014, 03:44:12 AM
I'm just taking my time on the first Labyrinth grinding and collecting materials it's worth doing since you can collect all of the yen can by rack up abusing Power Spots and grinding, also I pocketed my Kaguya to Rise until further notice I'm so happy though about Marie. <3
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Garlyle on November 27, 2014, 11:48:17 AM
Fuck Risky mode.

It's apparently identical to Hard other than the "if the MC dies you're done" rule and frankly after getting ambushed and wiped instantly on the third floor I think I already have had my fill of this and may restart on hard.
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Post by: commandercool on November 27, 2014, 03:36:23 PM
My copy unexpectedly showed up the day after release and I played for around an hour ladt night. No particular comments since I don't know EO very well, but this feels like a Persona game.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Garlyle on November 27, 2014, 04:14:07 PM
My copy unexpectedly showed up the day after release and I played for around an hour ladt night. No particular comments since I don't know EO very well, but this feels like a Persona game.
It does a pretty good job feeling like both, honestly.  90% of the mechanics and systems are EO; but the remaining 10% are visibly Persona and then the entire thing is wrapped up in Persona paint.   So it does a really good job of being both.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Sana on November 27, 2014, 08:36:29 PM
So uhhhh why are beasts in EO2 bad again? I can't tell if they got buffed in EOU2(they probably did) or I'm just a derp and this is how they've always been :V
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: commandercool on November 28, 2014, 05:24:46 AM
Sorry if these are questions that have been answered a bunch before, but I got questions.

First, what exactly qualifies for a 100% map completion? Do I just need to draw in the walls and floors, or do I need to get every icon and stuff too? How flexible is the requirement? And should I expect/try to get full maps the first time I visit a floor, or is there stuff I'll need to return for later?

Second, what is a pursuit attack and how are they triggered? They seem to happen completely randomly, usually (but possible not always?) involving Aigis.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on November 28, 2014, 05:52:18 AM
Sorry if these are questions that have been answered a bunch before, but I got questions.

First, what exactly qualifies for a 100% map completion? Do I just need to draw in the walls and floors, or do I need to get every icon and stuff too? How flexible is the requirement? And should I expect/try to get full maps the first time I visit a floor, or is there stuff I'll need to return for later?

Second, what is a pursuit attack and how are they triggered? They seem to happen completely randomly, usually (but possible not always?) involving Aigis.
For 100% map completion you need to waaaaaaaaaalk all over the tiles like once. It's worth noting auto mapping helps with the floors and walls, but not the icons. It's best you place the icons as accurate as possible in order to make it's more easier on the memory. The 100% requirement chests are also helpful in locating places you haven't walked/explored yet.

Also...
How the fuck do you beat the Queen of Hearts she keeps eating my SP up?
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on November 28, 2014, 05:57:28 AM
Also...
How the fuck do you beat the Queen of Hearts she keeps eating my SP up?

Weird, I don't remember her doing that to me and even though
that's right before the casts meet up
I can't imagine there being
two drastically different versions
. Maybe I just got lucky?

FWIW I tossed out the occasional status ailment but I mostly just punched her to death, liberal application of Death Counter and Healing Breeze with spot healing as needed and AOEs to try to wipe the summons out quick.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: commandercool on November 28, 2014, 06:09:48 AM
For 100% map completion you need to waaaaaaaaaalk all over the tiles like once. It's worth noting auto mapping helps with the floors and walls, but not the icons. It's best you place the icons as accurate as possible in order to make it's more easier on the memory. The 100% requirement chests are also helpful in locating places you haven't walked/explored yet.

Wait, what? Do I not get the completion if I just draw in the tiles without walking on them? That seems weird.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Garlyle on November 28, 2014, 06:21:35 AM
So uhhhh why are beasts in EO2 bad again? I can't tell if they got buffed in EOU2(they probably did) or I'm just a derp and this is how they've always been :V
It had to do with how one of their key skills, Loyalty, worked.  It was supposed to auto-cover for party members, and it did - the problem was they then took the damage that said party member would have, instead of it being calculated by the Beast's own much higher defensive stats.  Loyalty was a mandatory skill to level for access to a lot of the beast's good moves... but it essentially backfired and caused your beast to freqently and spontaneously explode.

Wait, what? Do I not get the completion if I just draw in the tiles without walking on them? That seems weird.
That's correct.  The map chest, when interacting with it, will 'glow' areas where you haven't actually walked if you lose track.  You can also use play coins to pay for the remaining percentage - with the note that it costs 3x the amount of missing percent (if you've got 90% completion, then you're lacking 10%, so it costs 30).
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Post by: Sana on November 28, 2014, 04:19:20 PM
It had to do with how one of their key skills, Loyalty, worked.  It was supposed to auto-cover for party members, and it did - the problem was they then took the damage that said party member would have, instead of it being calculated by the Beast's own much higher defensive stats.  Loyalty was a mandatory skill to level for access to a lot of the beast's good moves... but it essentially backfired and caused your beast to freqently and spontaneously explode.

Welp. That definitely doesn't happen in EOU2 so I guess they got buffed!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: MewMewHeart on November 28, 2014, 05:16:15 PM
Weird, I don't remember her doing that to me and even though
that's right before the casts meet up
I can't imagine there being
two drastically different versions
. Maybe I just got lucky?

FWIW I tossed out the occasional status ailment but I mostly just punched her to death, liberal application of Death Counter and Healing Breeze with spot healing as needed and AOEs to try to wipe the summons out quick.
MC, Yosuke, Chie for front row while Yukiko and Naoto took the back row.
I was doing so good until I ran out of juice, but omg when
the P3 cast showed up with Mass Destruction playing
I was fangasming everywhere going
MOTHER FUCKING PERSONA 3
AAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: notverycreative on November 28, 2014, 08:52:10 PM
Quote
I was fangasming everywhere going [...] AAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
I think you mean BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!! </Two Thumbs and Not Funny>
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Esper on November 29, 2014, 08:49:51 PM
Just bought Persona Q, and about to start playing it :3

Gonna hope I can make maps with this screwed-up touch screen w
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Post by: Phlegeth on November 30, 2014, 10:33:52 PM
After some experimentation and general dicking around I've settled on a team.  I have Yu, Chie, and Aigis up front with Yukiko and Satosi in the back.

Yu is balanced.  Really, really balanced, at Lv20 his St, Ma, En are 27 and Ag is 25 and Lu is 23.  He's my lightning guy.  Because I don't know why, but I have no lightning skills outside of him.
Chie is my main physical attacker.  She's the Landsknecht of the game.  In her game she "Meh" for most of it with her weaker attacks and low SP.  But here, you can give her Elemental Links or other Elemental Attacks or multihit and watch her eat everything with her crazy criticals.
Aigis is my tank.  Her HP is huge and she comes with Swordbreaker.  I've been trying to get -unda skills on her or attacks that lower their skills.
Yukiko is like the opposite of Chie.  She's not as good in this one as in her game.  She was the best healer, but not so much here for one reason: she's really, really slow.  Usually going last.  But she still has a lot of SP and Mg so she'll be my primary caster.
Satosi (P3MC), I wasn't planning on using him.  I assumed he'd have the same growth as Yu.  I was wrong, he accels at Mg and Ag, making him a great healer.
I took Fuuka or Rise for healing purposes.

What team is everyone else using?  With 20-ish people with mostly customizable skills, I want to see what everyone else came up with.

Just bought Persona Q, and about to start playing it :3

Gonna hope I can make maps with this screwed-up touch screen w

You can always turn on auto-mapping.  I think the only thing it doesn't do are icons and shortcuts.
Title: Re: Etrian Odyssey (+Persona Q) Thread - New EO Games For Everyone!~
Post by: Third Eye Lem on December 01, 2014, 12:44:10 AM
You can always turn on auto-mapping.  I think the only thing it doesn't do are icons and shortcuts.
It also doesn't color the ground, it always does gray for the floors (I like having the map color match the floor's color).

As for teams, I'm still using Yu/Chie/Teddie/Yuki/Zen, seems to be doing fine so far...Sorry to hear about Yukiko, I guess I'll have more of a reason to use Yukari once I unlock her. I'm still only on BF2 tho... orz

Pokemon what have you done to me
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Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2014, 12:55:04 AM
I'm just wrapping up the third floor of the first dungeon (have the stairs located, but there are a few bits of map left that I'm still uncovering). My team right now (P3) is Protagonist, Akihiko, Yukari, Zen/Rei, and Aigis. It's probably going to end up being Protagonist, Kanji, Naoto, Zen/Rei, Aigis once I get the rest of the characters. Not sure if that team has enough healing, but so far between Fuuka, Rei, and Protagonist I don't feel like I need a dedicated healer.
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Post by: Esper on December 01, 2014, 01:30:34 AM
Should I train everyone evenly, or train five at a time and level the others up when I need to have everyone ready for something?
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Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2014, 03:29:39 AM
Because the main character in Persona games is so flexible I've never bothered to level everyone evenly. Once I find a team of characters I like the rest of them never see the light of day again. That's especially true of Persona games with skill cards, and I assume even more true with sub-Personas. Unless this game is way harder than I expect it to be you can probably get away with doing pretty much whatever. So only bother to level everyone if you want to for some reason, because I doubt you'll ever regret just focusing on your favorites.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 01, 2014, 03:47:35 AM
Because the main character in Persona games is so flexible I've never bothered to level everyone evenly. Once I find a team of characters I like the rest of them never see the light of day again. That's especially true of Persona games with skill cards, and I assume even more true with sub-Personas. Unless this game is way harder than I expect it to be you can probably get away with doing pretty much whatever. So only bother to level everyone if you want to for some reason, because I doubt you'll ever regret just focusing on your favorites.
I might train some of the P3 cast when I get them.
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Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2014, 01:24:54 PM
Well yeah, you gotta. You're missing the whole gimmick of Persona Q if you just use the cast from one game (well, one of the two gimmicks, anyway. It's still a three-way crossover with Etrian Odyssey, but you have to seize all gimmicks for maximum enjoyment).
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Post by: Garlyle on December 01, 2014, 02:44:03 PM
Should I train everyone evenly, or train five at a time and level the others up when I need to have everyone ready for something?
You'll never have "x must be in your party" situations other than the MC of whichever route you picked (who can't be removed), and thus can get away with just your main team.  The one exception is the other MC - you'll want to get them to level 55 if they're not part of your party (Quest EXP divides evenly, also there's accessories you can give them).  When you get both MCs to level 55 you get a quest that
unlocks all the Upgraded Personas for them and any other level 55 characters
.  So just pick a party of five and stick with them; it's a lot easier that way and it's the easiest way to distribute Skill Cards.

Because the main character in Persona games is so flexible I've never bothered to level everyone evenly. Once I find a team of characters I like the rest of them never see the light of day again. That's especially true of Persona games with skill cards, and I assume even more true with sub-Personas. Unless this game is way harder than I expect it to be you can probably get away with doing pretty much whatever. So only bother to level everyone if you want to for some reason, because I doubt you'll ever regret just focusing on your favorites.
Some characters are definitely better for certain purposes than others (Chie, Shinji, Kanji, and Junpei should absolutely be physical attackers for instance), because natural stats only do so much.  That said a healer is the big one and frankly just about anyone can do healer so... yeah.  Creating your own skill cards isn't available until like halfway through the game though (aside from a handful you'll pick up in chests before then).

Also I'm doing Kanji/P4MC/Koromaru/Naoto/Raisins for my first run.  Second run will be Aigis/Yosuke/Junpei/P3MC/Ken because they're my actual favourites and when I go tackle the NG+-only boss... yeah.


Bonus round of advice: Apparently the healing amplifier skill in this game (Divine Hand or something?) affects the entire party for each character that has it; if all five party members have it all of your healing is 3x as effective.  (This also stacks with the 'party gets small healing per turn while a circle's active'... which also stacks per person...)
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Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on December 01, 2014, 06:10:39 PM
You'll never have "x must be in your party" situations other than the MC of whichever route you picked (who can't be removed), and thus can get away with just your main team.

Well and some sidequests. But those all go pretty quickly (haven't had to fight much if properly explored beforehand) and I've had the cash to gear them out in up-to-date stuff anyway.
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Post by: Garlyle on December 01, 2014, 11:54:54 PM
Well and some sidequests. But those all go pretty quickly (haven't had to fight much if properly explored beforehand) and I've had the cash to gear them out in up-to-date stuff anyway.
Yeah, got the first of those, and it went quick enough.

Also speaking of getting somewhere I'm fighting FOEs and bosses (oh my god that boss track mmmm).  Then I got to the second labyrinth, ended up accidentally fighting an FOE in the second room they show up... and kicked its ass.  WELP we're full on EO here now (except they respawn every time you leave the labyrinth so no easy puzzle skipping... except that I can also kinda now farm them for high level subpersona WHOOPS)
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Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2014, 12:04:55 AM
Oh, is it possible to fight FOEs that early? I just beat the first dungeon and after all of the hype that surrounded them in-game it didn't even occur to me to try fighting one. I assumed I'd have to come back for them in the endgame or something.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 02, 2014, 12:07:21 AM
Even my current team can't handle the FOEs so Imma wait until I get proper subs and levels in.
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Post by: Garlyle on December 02, 2014, 12:14:09 AM
Oh, is it possible to fight FOEs that early? I just beat the first dungeon and after all of the hype that surrounded them in-game it didn't even occur to me to try fighting one. I assumed I'd have to come back for them in the endgame or something.
It largely depends on your strategy.  I've noticed most centrally that FOEs have a shitload of HP in this game, and early on that's a crapload of SP to spend on healing which you don't have.  Poison is stupid good though among other things.  For the first stratum ones and the first one on the second stratum their actual damage doesn't seem that severe (although someone with the Taunt+Def Boost self skill is recommended for the second's big attack because it could oneshot someone).  It's just a matter of being able to pump out enough damage to actually kill them before you're out of resources.

Still, as I mentioned, compared to the EO games the FOEs in PQ respawn the moment you leave the labyrinth (instead of staying dead for two weeks) so it's still not ideal to just pick fights with them at random, as you're likely using a Goho-M after them because you're burned out on resources.

For the record, you get some great stuff from them.  The FOEs in the first stratum (specifically the painter?  I'm not sure how different the painter vs non-painter ones are) gave me access to an armor that was well over twice as strong as anything else you can find in the first stratum.  Also they hand you personas that are like ~8 levels above anything else you can get from enemies in the area, regardless of what your MC's level is.
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Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2014, 12:45:44 AM
Huh. Well, I already left the first dungeon and the game won't let me go back, so I guess I'll check it out later.

Edit: Wooooow that was weak. I'm gonna chalk that up to the fact that it was the first one and assume they won't all be that chumpy.
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Post by: theshirn on December 02, 2014, 03:46:48 AM
Just spam poison and heals and pretty much anything goes down.
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Post by: Phlegeth on December 02, 2014, 03:55:43 AM
Yeah, got the first of those, and it went quick enough.

Also speaking of getting somewhere I'm fighting FOEs and bosses (oh my god that boss track mmmm).  Then I got to the second labyrinth, ended up accidentally fighting an FOE in the second room they show up... and kicked its ass.  WELP we're full on EO here now (except they respawn every time you leave the labyrinth so no easy puzzle skipping... except that I can also kinda now farm them for high level subpersona WHOOPS)

I think we fought the same FOE.  That FOE is what cemented my team.  Especially Fuuka over Rise, her HP Regen for one boost level was a real TP saver.  And usually by the time it runs out, you almost regained it.

I think I love the FOE battle music the best.  It really reminds me of the Raidou Kuzunoha music.
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Post by: Garlyle on December 02, 2014, 12:41:04 PM
And now, something terrifying: Etrian Odyssey 3 in 1:11:33.48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7MUYVZjaYk) (it is obviously a TAS)
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Post by: trancehime on December 02, 2014, 02:08:31 PM
some people elsewhere were curious about some translations for the EO5 teaser video (http://www.intothelabyrinth.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=151755#p151755) so I obliged to them.

Well, it can serve as some food for thought as to what it could be about.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 02, 2014, 07:20:31 PM
Attention Persona Q owners: There is new DLC out that has
Level 26 Orpheus Telos which is free while Level 70 Thanatos and Level 92 Magatsu-Izanagi are 1.99
that is all.
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Post by: Esper on December 03, 2014, 12:45:20 AM
Are all Etrian Odyssey games this easy, or is Persona Q on Normal really this chumpy? No, seriously. I pretty much grind and kill stuff. The hardest thing I've had to do in this game was the horde of idle basalt turning me to stone.
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 03, 2014, 01:26:47 AM
And now, something terrifying: Etrian Odyssey 3 in 1:11:33.48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7MUYVZjaYk) (it is obviously a TAS)
Did
seyfried
get instakilled by the same method that allows scylla farming? Oh god.
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Post by: Serela on December 03, 2014, 04:02:13 AM
Are all Etrian Odyssey games this easy, or is Persona Q on Normal really this chumpy? No, seriously. I pretty much grind and kill stuff. The hardest thing I've had to do in this game was the horde of idle basalt turning me to stone.
While I can't -really- say since I haven't played PQ yet, even the recent EO games have been coming out with difficulty settings that are pretty chumpy on anything lower than max; expert in EOU made enemies do 166% damage and take 66% as much from you! (And that basically just brought it to normal EO difficulty, meaning the "normal" is more like easy mode where enemies do 40% less damage and take 50% more- that's a massive difference) That being said, I hear the balance in PQ can be kinda goofy and let you steamroll the game without too much effort if you abuse certain things... until you get ambushed by enemies, at least.

Of course, not everyone wants to get steamrolled by enemies, especially if they're exactly the best at RPGs, so it's not surprising they want the games to appeal to a larger fanbase. This game being even easier wouldn't be surprising though since the persona-style party building makes it a lot easier for anyone to make a good party, unlike EO shenanigans where someone who isn't sure what they're doing is likely to have a not-very-capable party to balance out the lower difficulty.
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Post by: Garlyle on December 03, 2014, 04:55:36 AM
Are all Etrian Odyssey games this easy, or is Persona Q on Normal really this chumpy? No, seriously. I pretty much grind and kill stuff. The hardest thing I've had to do in this game was the horde of idle basalt turning me to stone.
You're on Normal.  PQ on Hard is a notable step up... although so far I think I'd still put it at about a step below most EO games in difficulty.  On Hard someone getting hit twice in a row KOs them and your damage to enemies is low enough that you can expect to be taking several attacks from most enemies unless you're using some form of supportive skills.

Risky adds the "if your MC dies that is it game over" which was just RNG-based game overs most of the time :/
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Post by: notverycreative on December 03, 2014, 06:08:52 AM
Quote
On Hard someone getting hit twice in a row KOs them
This only happens in regular Megaten games if an enemy's hit your weakness and you're underlevelled. Or you're playing something that came out before Persona 2. Usually. Nocturne and Strange Journey are difficult even if you know what you're doing. Strange Journey has some unblockable OHKO attacks, like SMT2 did. Now THAT was a game that'll make you pull your hair out. Your demons don't level up, so you have to upgrade them CONSTANTLY by recruiting new ones and fusing what you have. And there's no demon compendium. Nocturne did have some bastard tactics, but you had to do the right stuff with fusion and be very patient. There was also this "priority" system, which meant that if a demon had seven high-level skills and one low-rank thing, the low-rank thing would almost-always show up. At the very least, you could make yourself not have a weakness. That was frustrating about SMT4. I really did not want my MC to have any kind of elemental weakness, even if it meant not nullifying anything, either. That game also pulled a number on me. Hell, I got stuck. I couldn't kill one of the bonus bosses who was mandatory for the neutral ending. To say nothing of my 3 gameovers where I died before I could act...on the lowest difficulty. Well, blame that game FOR NOT HAVING A DEFENSE STAT LOL THANKS GUYS.

I don't even know where I'm going with this. I've never beaten an EO game because I suck shit through a straw at them. You have so much freedom with party make-up that I tend to mentally shut down and not know what the hell I'm supposed to do. It doesn't help that I didn't play any games like that growing up so I'm not equipped to deal with them. Seriously, my childhood was all narrative-based JRPGs with characters who said stuff in cutscenes with little to no character customization. Also I have the reflexes of a slug so I doubt I could even last 30 seconds in the easiest Touhou game on the lowest difficulty. No joke. Getting nervous and frustrated easily doesn't help.
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Post by: commandercool on December 03, 2014, 01:54:49 PM
This only happens in regular Megaten games if an enemy's hit your weakness and you're underlevelled. Or you're playing something that came out before Persona 2. Usually. Nocturne and Strange Journey are difficult even if you know what you're doing. Strange Journey has some unblockable OHKO attacks, like SMT2 did. Now THAT was a game that'll make you pull your hair out. Your demons don't level up, so you have to upgrade them CONSTANTLY by recruiting new ones and fusing what you have. And there's no demon compendium. Nocturne did have some bastard tactics, but you had to do the right stuff with fusion and be very patient. There was also this "priority" system, which meant that if a demon had seven high-level skills and one low-rank thing, the low-rank thing would almost-always show up. At the very least, you could make yourself not have a weakness. That was frustrating about SMT4. I really did not want my MC to have any kind of elemental weakness, even if it meant not nullifying anything, either. That game also pulled a number on me. Hell, I got stuck. I couldn't kill one of the bonus bosses who was mandatory for the neutral ending. To say nothing of my 3 gameovers where I died before I could act...on the lowest difficulty. Well, blame that game FOR NOT HAVING A DEFENSE STAT LOL THANKS GUYS.

I don't even know where I'm going with this. I've never beaten an EO game because I suck shit through a straw at them. You have so much freedom with party make-up that I tend to mentally shut down and not know what the hell I'm supposed to do. It doesn't help that I didn't play any games like that growing up so I'm not equipped to deal with them. Seriously, my childhood was all narrative-based JRPGs with characters who said stuff in cutscenes with little to no character customization. Also I have the reflexes of a slug so I doubt I could even last 30 seconds in the easiest Touhou game on the lowest difficulty. No joke. Getting nervous and frustrated easily doesn't help.

Ouch. I ordered Strange Journey a few months ago because I had been told it was the most accessible SMT game, but that's the kind of RPG design I despise. I haven't gotten around to starting it yet because I've been suddenly flooded with other handheld games (well, two), but if that kind of thing is a major part of the game I can't see finishing it. Balancing an RPG is hard, especially one with another major gameplay element like EO's exploration. I guess what it comes down to is that I don't really like RPGs that much. Which is weird because I play a relative lot of them.
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Post by: Garlyle on December 03, 2014, 02:20:20 PM
This only happens in regular Megaten games if an enemy's hit your weakness and you're underlevelled.  Or you're playing something that came out before Persona 2.
...Except Nocturne, Strange Journey, SMT IV (all of which you mentioned)... which is the majority of the 'main' style SMT titles since that weren't P3/4 and aren't drastic gameplay spinoffs like Devil Summoner/Survivor (And something something 'not a real shen megumi tensay gaem').  Getting hit without the chance to set up proper buffs is very potentially deadly.

Ouch. I ordered Strange Journey a few months ago because I had been told it was the most accessible SMT game, but that's the kind of RPG design I despise. I haven't gotten around to starting it yet because I've been suddenly flooded with other handheld games (well, two), but if that kind of thing is a major part of the game I can't see finishing it. Balancing an RPG is hard, especially one with another major gameplay element like EO's exploration. I guess what it comes down to is that I don't really like RPGs that much. Which is weird because I play a relative lot of them.
Strange Journey's actually pretty good about it.  There's only two unblockable OHKOs in the game.  One's on the final boss of two of the three routes (Chaos gets a different final boss entirely).  The other one is a late game boss gimmick boss fight, where it's only used as a reaction
when you hit it with damage skills
.  The rest I seem to remember being able to gear the MC out with resists/nulls for as appropriate.

SJ is actually a pretty fantastic game up until the final boss (There's pretty much no getting around grinding 10+ levels when you reach the end of the game).  There's a lot less RNG murder in that game compared to Nocturne or SMT4.

Should I just rename this the SMT + EO combo megathread and be done with it
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Post by: Matsuri on December 03, 2014, 05:46:19 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/12/03/etrian-mystery-dungeon-coming-us/

IT'S COMING :* :* :* :* :* :*
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 03, 2014, 07:30:42 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/12/03/etrian-mystery-dungeon-coming-us/

IT'S COMING :* :* :* :* :* :*
*Green Rupee scream* YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS....
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Post by: notverycreative on December 03, 2014, 07:34:34 PM
I was never into to that kind of game. But I'm not going to be a dick and say bad things like "I HOPE THIS BOMBS". Today's December 3rd, so...22 more days until I get Persona Q.
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Post by: Matsuri on December 03, 2014, 07:36:26 PM
Why would you say that anyway? Just ignore it if you don't like it. :v
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Post by: notverycreative on December 03, 2014, 07:45:57 PM
Sorry. Well, it's the internet. People are jerks. That whole "anonymity + place to say it = dickhead" thing. I believe it's called the "Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory".

It's my fault for even being on the internet when I'm sick. I tend to say things I don't mean. I should lay down.
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 03, 2014, 07:50:19 PM
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/12/03/etrian-mystery-dungeon-coming-us/

IT'S COMING :* :* :* :* :* :*
キタ━━━━━━━━━(゜∀゜)━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!!!
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Post by: Garlyle on December 04, 2014, 12:38:47 AM
キタ━━━━━━━━━(゜∀゜)━━━━━━━━━━━━!!!!!
my thoughts exactly

wait no

my next thought is "wait, where's the EOU2 english confirmation"
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Post by: commandercool on December 07, 2014, 08:00:28 PM
Warning: Spoilers for the second dungeon

Out of curiosity, did everyone get the same destined partner as me in the group date dungeon, or can it vary based on your choices?

I'm playing as Persona 3 Protagonist and my partner was Junpei.
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Post by: theshirn on December 07, 2014, 08:54:36 PM
It varies.  With varying degrees of cringing and/or hilarity.
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Post by: Phlegeth on December 07, 2014, 09:32:42 PM
Warning: Spoilers for the second dungeon

Out of curiosity, did everyone get the same destined partner as me in the group date dungeon, or can it vary based on your choices?

I'm playing as Persona 3 Protagonist and my partner was Junpei.

From what I've read about the questions:
The first question cuts it down to boys or girls.  Then the second question cuts that group into half.  I picked girls and the choice was between indoor or outdoor types.  And then the other questions are about picking your soul mate from that group.

I went in blind and answered honestly and got Margaret.
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Post by: commandercool on December 07, 2014, 09:53:07 PM
Ha ha amazing. I love this game. Now I'm going to have to look up the rest.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 08, 2014, 02:46:27 AM
From what I've read about the questions:
The first question cuts it down to boys or girls.  Then the second question cuts that group into half.  I picked girls and the choice was between indoor or outdoor types.  And then the other questions are about picking your soul mate from that group.

I went in blind and answered honestly and got Margaret.
I ended up getting Shinjiro I WANTED NAOTO OR RISE!!! I'm playing the P4 route.
The second boss was funny and awesome it talked about God and it was a priest at that and plus it had a ban this gimmick it was funny and easy because it's weak to electricity.

Also... I'm enjoying the 3rd Labyrinth although I'm not enjoying the messed up FOE.... no seriously WTF.

Just wanting to say also POISON IS OP against FOEs also if you're tight on yen then grinding Labyrinth 2 and 3 power spots are your best bet.
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Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on December 08, 2014, 02:54:02 AM
I got Ken
and then blamed Garlyle despite him not actually having any connection to my choices.
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Post by: commandercool on December 08, 2014, 03:20:16 AM
I ended up getting Shinjiro I WANTED NAOTO OR RISE!!! I'm playing the P4 route.
The second boss was funny and awesome it talked about God and it was a priest at that and plus it had a ban this gimmick it was funny and easy because it's weak to electricity.

Also... I'm enjoying the 3rd Labyrinth although I'm not enjoying the messed up FOE.... no seriously WTF.

Just wanting to say also POISON IS OP against FOEs also if you're tight on yen then grinding Labyrinth 2 and 3 power spots are your best bet.

That boss was super cool. Incredibly, hilariously weak, but cool. I wonder what his story significance is?

Everything is OP against enemies in this game. Light and dark as so ludicrously high-power that I don't really ever fight anything any more unless it's immune, poison and stat debuffs shred every boss so far with no problems, linked attacks seem amazing especially since they rapidly refill your navigator gauge, etc. It's fun to be able to actually abuse status for once in a Persona game, but I think there's a reason bosses were usually resistant or immune in the other games.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 08, 2014, 07:03:07 AM
That boss was super cool. Incredibly, hilariously weak, but cool. I wonder what his story significance is?

Everything is OP against enemies in this game. Light and dark as so ludicrously high-power that I don't really ever fight anything any more unless it's immune, poison and stat debuffs shred every boss so far with no problems, linked attacks seem amazing especially since they rapidly refill your navigator gauge, etc. It's fun to be able to actually abuse status for once in a Persona game, but I think there's a reason bosses were usually resistant or immune in the other games.
If I remember correctly most of the bosses in Persona games were immune to Light and Dark, also I can never land a link attack due to my party setup which is sad hmmm... that reminds me.

Did anyone do the first Elizabeth fight quest? Because I think I OP'd it up with only her killing Koromaru with his weakness.
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Post by: commandercool on December 08, 2014, 01:35:14 PM
If I remember correctly most of the bosses in Persona games were immune to Light and Dark, also I can never land a link attack due to my party setup which is sad hmmm... that reminds me.

Did anyone do the first Elizabeth fight quest? Because I think I OP'd it up with only her killing Koromaru with his weakness.

Most, if not all, of the bosses are still immune to light and dark, but it's still too good. Or maybe Naoto is just too good with her huge speed to always get off a spread instant-kill before enemies can act, but at any rate the game's system makes those moves way too easy to use. Maybe they should've had hugely increased MP costs or something so that you can't spam them as much.

I did beat her, pretty effortlessly unfortunately. She spent way too much time giving me minor statuses and herself minor stat buffs and just generally not ever attacking all that much, so I was never in any danger. The bosses seem to have a real problem with that.

So far the hardest fight by far has been the third dungeon FOE, which has such a huge evade/dodge rate (at least for the level my guys are) that I couldn't reliably land Vile Reach-boosted Toxic Slices on it, so the battle dragged on way longer than I wanted and wore down on my resources more than usual. It was one of the few times Naoto's speed was a liability, because she kept going before protagonist, who is my Sukunda user. And he self-heals quite a lot, so the fight can really go long if you miss too much. I did win, but it drained enough of my resources that I had to leave the dungeon and would be inclined to try to avoid them in the future as a result, which means they're at least doing their job as puzzles. Unlike the second dungeon ones I won't just plough through these rather than solving puzzles.
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Post by: theshirn on December 08, 2014, 02:39:49 PM
Agility Bind, Paralysis, and Panic all zero out evasion, by the way.
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Post by: Garlyle on December 08, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
Fun fact about the second stratum gimmick that you should look into:
If you go back and go through all the rooms in order again you can retake the quiz and see the scenes with different characters.
  To be specific about how it works,
The first question as mentioned divides into (mostly) boys and girls, the second divides that further, and then the next ~5-6 questions that are asked will all have an answer that has an 'obvious' link (EG "How would you bond with your partner?" "Fightfight down by the river" for Yosuke); once you pick one of those it seals the deal.  If you didn't there'll be a really obvious question in the last room)
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 08, 2014, 07:51:16 PM
Most, if not all, of the bosses are still immune to light and dark, but it's still too good. Or maybe Naoto is just too good with her huge speed to always get off a spread instant-kill before enemies can act, but at any rate the game's system makes those moves way too easy to use. Maybe they should've had hugely increased MP costs or something so that you can't spam them as much.

I did beat her, pretty effortlessly unfortunately. She spent way too much time giving me minor statuses and herself minor stat buffs and just generally not ever attacking all that much, so I was never in any danger. The bosses seem to have a real problem with that.

So far the hardest fight by far has been the third dungeon FOE, which has such a huge evade/dodge rate (at least for the level my guys are) that I couldn't reliably land Vile Reach-boosted Toxic Slices on it, so the battle dragged on way longer than I wanted and wore down on my resources more than usual. It was one of the few times Naoto's speed was a liability, because she kept going before protagonist, who is my Sukunda user. And he self-heals quite a lot, so the fight can really go long if you miss too much. I did win, but it drained enough of my resources that I had to leave the dungeon and would be inclined to try to avoid them in the future as a result, which means they're at least doing their job as puzzles. Unlike the second dungeon ones I won't just plough through these rather than solving puzzles.
I like the third labyrinth's gimmick also is it more or does the 3rd labyrinth give off a
Corpse Party vibe
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Post by: commandercool on December 10, 2014, 08:17:15 PM
Finally died for the first time against the second FOE in the third dungeon. Yup, that's a pretty hard monster. I did fuck up and mis-target a resurrection at a key moment, but I probably would have lost eventually anyway.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 10, 2014, 11:10:19 PM
Finally died for the first time against the second FOE in the third dungeon. Yup, that's a pretty hard monster. I did fuck up and mis-target a resurrection at a key moment, but I probably would have lost eventually anyway.
Was it the
Baby Foe?
Or something that might make me scream? Hmm... also I might switch up my team soon since I need to level more people often.
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Post by: commandercool on December 11, 2014, 12:33:02 AM
Was it the
Baby Foe?
Or something that might make me scream? Hmm... also I might switch up my team soon since I need to level more people often.

No, it is much, MUCH worse. I'm not kidding, the second FOE makes the
baby
look tame. I love this dungeon. :D
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Post by: Matsuri on December 11, 2014, 05:09:06 AM
Oh hey garlyle I found you on the etrian odyssey tumblr network :v
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Post by: Garlyle on December 11, 2014, 08:59:18 AM
Oh hey garlyle I found you on the etrian odyssey tumblr network :v
entirely possible 8D

there's quite a few of us on tumblr
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Post by: Matsuri on December 11, 2014, 05:22:00 PM
I know but it's cool to run into MotK people around the Internet regardless :p
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Post by: CF7 on December 14, 2014, 08:32:24 AM
I caved in and bought Persona Q, even tho i swore never to play EO games again after playing EO 1-4 and Untold.
I can't resist it, the temptation is just to stronk. Even in my Persona F.O.E.!
Okay, now that's out of my system. Good.
Anyway, should i pick P3 or P4 MC? Is there a significant difference?

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Post by: Garlyle on December 14, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
I caved in and bought Persona Q, even tho i swore never to play EO games again after playing EO 1-4 and Untold.
I can't resist it, the temptation is just to stronk. Even in my Persona F.O.E.!
Okay, now that's out of my system. Good.
Anyway, should i pick P3 or P4 MC? Is there a significant difference?
It's up to you.  Which hero you pick determines which team you have for the duration of the first stratum (You have access to everyone after the first stratum), how various scenes play out, dialogue, and other minor details (including different versions of the battle theme).  Eventually you'll want to play both sides and can NG+ onto the other (there's even a super bonus boss if you do), but just go with your gut.  Note that whichever you play will be a 'blank slate' character like they were in P3/4, but the other hero will get voicing and personality as an actual character.

You will always have to have your chosen MC in the party though, it's worth noting.  You can of course include the other too, but it's up to you.  P3MC is heavily magic-oriented; P4MC is much more of an all-rounder.
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Post by: Serela on December 14, 2014, 02:25:28 PM
From a battle-oriented standpoint, I generally hear that P4MC is so balanced it hurts, whilst P3MC has good magic/speed/luck making him great for a lot of tasks and a better unique skill (but has to deal with an annoying dark weakness)

But that in the end, even P4MC is still one of the better characters, so you can really just pick whichever you want to and you'll be fine.
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Post by: CF7 on December 14, 2014, 02:39:31 PM
Ok thanks. Funny, i always built P3MC as a magic user. Let's go with that. =)
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Post by: Garlyle on December 15, 2014, 02:16:50 AM
Oh god what the hell the FOE on stratum 3's third floor just cast
Diarahan
how is that even fair ahhh

I will give PQ major props for managing to make FOEs scary again later on.
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Post by: commandercool on December 15, 2014, 02:58:45 AM
Oh god what the hell the FOE on stratum 3's third floor just cast
Diarahan
how is that even fair ahhh

I will give PQ major props for managing to make FOEs scary again later on.

Are you talking about
the red doll
? If so I think it either only does that once a battle or has an extremely low chance of casting it, because I've fought it two or three times and only saw it do that once.

Agreed, the later ones are more threatening, if only because they
seem to love tossing around Mamudoon and Mahamaon and TPK out of the blue. Fortunately after the first time that happens you can just bring the appropriate pin...
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 15, 2014, 03:12:19 AM
I usually have the P3MC as my poisoner, fire, thunder, and physical user which I know is a weird combination.
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Post by: CF7 on December 15, 2014, 09:43:35 AM
So far having buckets of fun. My first TPK was to
those 5 swords
on the second floor of the first stratum. I expected to fight some, maybe 3, but not 5. That was too much. They all spammed toxic slice and that was not fun.
Party is MC, Akihiko, Mitsuru, Yukari and Ken.
P.S. Chibified Mitsuru is too damn cute.
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Post by: CF7 on December 15, 2014, 03:57:25 PM
Had my sweet revenge against swords with them being str-bound, sleeping and frozen to death.
Cleared the second floor of Alice labyrinth.
Not sure if i am going to swap my team around when i unlock P4 cast, but MC is my main magic. Akihito and Mitsuru  are my hybrid physical/magic attackers. Yukari basically just heals hp/statuses/binds and shoots things otherwise. Ken is actually pretty useful with sizable chunk of enemies being weak to light, and due to how sub-personas and boost mechanics work, he's casting Hama practically for free in every battle. And Fuuka's special skill is awesome. % based healing every turn for just 1 point is just too good.
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Post by: commandercool on December 15, 2014, 10:46:30 PM
Fair warning to everyone who hasn't cleared the third dungeon yet, be very careful transcribing the clues to one of the puzzles correctly. That should go without saying, but based on the way they're written it's easy to mess up, and if you do there's basically no way to solve the puzzle. You'll probably know it when you see it.

It's the quadrant puzzle. I somehow missed the + at the very beginning of the first equation, which made it so the pairs didn't line up correctly. Without the entire equation starting with a + or - the obvious solution was that the letters referred to locations (the rooms?) and the + and - were directions (certain doors?), but obviously that solution doesn't work for many reasons. I wandered around for like an hour before the game started bombarding me with clues.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 16, 2014, 01:18:03 AM
Fair warning to everyone who hasn't cleared the third dungeon yet, be very careful transcribing the clues to one of the puzzles correctly. That should go without saying, but based on the way they're written it's easy to mess up, and if you do there's basically no way to solve the puzzle. You'll probably know it when you see it.

It's the quadrant puzzle. I somehow missed the + at the very beginning of the first equation, which made it so the pairs didn't line up correctly. Without the entire equation starting with a + or - the obvious solution was that the letters referred to locations (the rooms?) and the + and - were directions (certain doors?), but obviously that solution doesn't work for many reasons. I wandered around for like an hour before the game started bombarding me with clues.
Is it the one that
Naoto figures it out you know the one with the schedule
or another one?
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Post by: commandercool on December 16, 2014, 02:30:14 AM
Is it the one that
Naoto figures it out you know the one with the schedule
or another one?

It's not that one, it's a later (much harder?) one. Although she seems to do that with all of them if you wait long enough.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 16, 2014, 02:39:13 AM
It's not that one, it's a later (much harder?) one. Although she seems to do that with all of them if you wait long enough.
I'M TOO LAZY FOR ALL OF THESE PUZZLES SO GAME PLEASE COME HELP!  :V
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Post by: theshirn on December 16, 2014, 05:36:18 AM
that one is terrible and dumb and having naoto solve it for you is right and proper
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Post by: commandercool on December 16, 2014, 05:40:48 AM
I'm kind of sad I didn't have the right information to be able to figure it out, because I want to know if I would've been able to get it. I think I had the right idea at one point but wrote it off because of incomplete clues, but that might just be hindsight. And even after I had all of the pieces of the puzzle I got some things reversed the first time
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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 16, 2014, 05:43:49 AM
I'm kind of sad I didn't have the right information to be able to figure it out, because I want to know if I would've been able to get it. I think I had the right idea at one point but wrote it off because of incomplete clues, but that might just be hindsight. And even after I had all of the pieces of the puzzle I got some things reversed the first time
To be quite fair the first encounter is like a troll bomb because you get vague clues and limited hints before Naoto helps you.
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Post by: Garlyle on December 16, 2014, 05:58:50 AM
I admittedly had to look up a solution for the fourth one because I managed to completely fail to notice
the book in the top right corner room had "++""
and so making anything even remotely resembling sense of the puzzle was all but impossible.
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Post by: CF7 on December 16, 2014, 11:36:50 AM
Reached 4th floor of Alice Labyrinth and i guess it's a boss floor. So i thought i'd try to fight a F.O.E. instead.
Party level is 10 with more or less 10 level personas.
/sigh They don't make F.O.E.'s like they used to. I decided to fight one, prepared to be horribly slaughtered in every way possible, but i almost fell asleep, while fighting my first Card Soldier. Aside from having lots and lots of HP Card Soldiers are more or less harmless. Not like a certain Ragelope for example. What affects success rate of landing status effect on enemies? Is it agi like usual or not? Because my Ken had a tough time landing poison on the Card Soldier. I know they have high resists, but still. Through out the fight he managed to land a poison only once. Also when do you get access to SP restoring stuff?
Oh, right. Playing on Hard.
Edit: And Painted Soldiers are even worse. They still can't kill me, but take even longer to kill. Still now i have an op and expensive set of armor, which i can't buy yet, because compendium and weapon/armor upgrades has been eating all my money. Plus now i have Titania at level 12.

[moriya]Don't casually throw inappropriate terms around, please.[/moriya]
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Post by: commandercool on December 16, 2014, 02:02:13 PM
Reached 4th floor of Alice Labyrinth and i guess it's a boss floor. So i thought i'd try to fight a F.O.E. instead.
Party level is 10 with more or less 10 level personas.
/sigh They don't make F.O.E.'s like they used to. I decided to fight one, prepared to be horribly raped in every way possible, but i almost fell asleep, while fighting my first Card Soldier. Aside from having lots and lots of HP Card Soldiers are more or less harmless. Not like a certain Rapgelope for example. What affects success rate of landing status effect on enemies? Is it agi like usual or not? Because my Ken had a tough time landing poison on the Card Soldier. I know they have high resists, but still. Through out the fight he managed to land a poison only once. Also when do you get access to SP restoring stuff?
Oh, right. Playing on Hard.
Edit: And Painted Soldiers are even worse. They still can't kill me, but take even longer to kill. Still now i have an op and expensive set of armor, which i can't buy yet, because compendium and weapon/armor upgrades has been eating all my money. Plus now i have Titania at level 12.

They get harder over the course of the game, but they never really get hard enough that you can't win the second time you fight them at worst. So far, anyway. I haven't actually fought
the big one in the second floor of the fourth dungeon
yet, so for all I know that's not consistently true either. But for the most part they're an annoyance.
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Post by: Garlyle on December 16, 2014, 10:50:51 PM
You'll be rolling in money later - I've been able to freely blow 130k+ for certain compendium summons + skill card transformations at will.

And yeah, the early FOE aren't actually that hard.  In the second stratum you'll find they start hitting like trucks and carrying mass bind/ailment spells; towards the end of the third some start becoming very dangerous.
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Post by: theshirn on December 17, 2014, 02:32:46 AM
the problem is this game is not well balanced at all

namely panic and myriad arrows
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Post by: Matsuri on December 17, 2014, 06:00:12 AM
Finally got my hands on persona q and I've been liking it so far. The disappointment I had from 'no EO-style character development' faded a bit when I learned that everyone got to have changeable personas.

I will say that so far even on Hard the game feels quite a bit easier than EO in general, though. I don't really mind that though.
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Post by: Garlyle on December 17, 2014, 08:33:22 AM
The last PQ DLC is out.  Marie and Nanako navigators for 2.99$ each.

My heart can't take Nanako navigator when you're the P4MC tho hnNNNNGH
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Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on December 17, 2014, 09:19:58 PM
Have a Persona.

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Post by: commandercool on December 17, 2014, 10:33:59 PM
Have a Persona.

[attach=1]

Ah ha ha that's literally identical to the Shiisa I have equipped to Fuuka.
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Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on December 17, 2014, 10:43:57 PM
Ah ha ha that's literally identical to the Shiisa I have equipped to Fuuka.

Hahahahahahaha. It's because it's navi goodstuff: the dude. :V
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Post by: CF7 on December 18, 2014, 09:56:40 AM
Playing around second stratum. Did some alterations to my team. Replaced Ken with Naoto. Because she's just super good. Naoto + Incubus = OP. Chie replaced Akihito. So the party is as follows.
P3 MC - magic attacker/medic. Mitsuru is i dunno what she is, as she's doing a bit of everything. Chie... just punches things really really hard. Naoto is just doing Hama/Mudo/Poison/Sleep depending on the situation. Yukari is my main medic.
Messengers of Love are really easy. Not only they're weak to fire and ice, but their damage output is not that great either, plus average defense and low hp. Really a step down from Card Painters.
All in all still having buckets of fun.
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Post by: commandercool on December 18, 2014, 01:55:06 PM
Regarding Naoto and balance:

Is it safe to say Naoto is the best character in the game? I haven't used everyone, I pretty much put all of my favorite characters on a team and never looked back, but I can't envision anyone being better than her. Even into lategame she basically turns random encounters into ten-second breaks in exploring that pay out experience and items, and she has tools to fuck up bosses just as hard.

The only shortcoming I found on her was that once she applies whatever status you want to a boss she can't really do that much to it and tends to just spend the rest of the fight guarding or throwing out extremely weak attacks waiting for the status to wear off. I've fixed this by giving her Orpheus Telos and a boosted critical hit rate, so once the boss is poisoned I have her throw out Toxic Slices anyway, and before too long she'll get a critical hit and be able to keep Healing Harp up for free. Recently I gave her Bloody Vanguard as well, so her massive speed means any turn not spending casting Healing Harp is a turn the rest of my team gets a damage boost, since she usually goes first. On top of that she even resists instant kills, so if a boss does smash most of the party with Mamudoon she will probably survive and can start resurrecting immediately, often for free.
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Post by: Serela on December 18, 2014, 02:36:24 PM
I've peeked at GameFAQs forum about the game (I know, I know, but I got what I came for) and since shortly after the jap release even english-speakers have known Naoto is undeniably
borderline broken. Partially just because hama/mudo are broken in this game in general (especially after impure reach or w/e it's called, which is insanely easy to get and has way too powerful of an effect and should NOT have affected hama/mudo skills in the first place IMO) but in general she just has pretty high stats in several great areas. If you want her to do damage too throw a Str/Mag switch accessory on her when you get one, then welp, especially due to her luck for crits.

You can give some other characters stat layouts that are almost as good as her (...but not quite) with reverse accessories to increase their luck or speed, but even then, her persona having no weakness and stopping the instant death skills that get a lot of use by the enemies too, and having both ma____ons and mp etc, she's just ridiculously good. It's silly.
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Post by: commandercool on December 18, 2014, 02:54:02 PM
Wait, Impure Reach boosts instant kills? Why? That doesn't even make sense. Well, that explains why instant kills seem so much more accurate in this game.
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Post by: CF7 on December 18, 2014, 03:44:31 PM
Wait, Impure Reach boosts instant kills?
What. I guess it explains things.
And so my Naoto/Incubus pair are destroying second stratum pretty much on their own. Impure Reach + Toxic Slice + Lullaby Song + Mamudo + Mahama from Naoto's own persona. Horribly broken.
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Post by: commandercool on December 19, 2014, 04:42:11 AM
Oh shit, I just saw the design for
Jinn
. Persona Q is best game ever.
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Post by: pokemon123 on December 19, 2014, 06:38:43 AM
So I just got persona q. The map drawing is fun at times. Don't really care to much for the rest of the gameplay.  Etrian odyssey was never my thing  I'm nervous that this game will mainly be grinding without much of a story considering I bought the game soley for the characters and story. People who are later on in the game does it have a lot of story and character stuff?  Playing the P4 side.
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Post by: commandercool on December 19, 2014, 01:45:33 PM
So I just got persona q. The map drawing is fun at times. Don't really care to much for the rest of the gameplay.  Etrian odyssey was never my thing  I'm nervous that this game will mainly be grinding without much of a story considering I bought the game soley for the characters and story. People who are later on in the game does it have a lot of story and character stuff?  Playing the P4 side.

There's not a ton of story, but there is a ton of character stuff (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JegQQu_vYrI). I can't imagine you'll be disappointed in that regard.
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Post by: Esper on December 21, 2014, 07:39:57 AM
>Jinn
>Blue with a black ponytail, yellow armbands, and a gaseous tail

Oh Atlus you so crazy

ROBIN WILLIAMS WHYYYYY ;-;
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Post by: CF7 on December 22, 2014, 06:57:16 AM
Soooooo. I finished second stratum and since i kinda bruteforced my way through most of FOEs there i am heavily overleveled to the point of your navigator is saying something like "Oh, FOE! But you can kill it, so no worries". Somehow ended up with
Fuuka
.
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Post by: commandercool on December 22, 2014, 01:46:02 PM
About halfway through the fourth floor of the fourth dungeon.

There has been one time so far, on the third floor, when I just could not figure out where I was supposed to go and brute forced my way past two FOEs. I probably forgot to mark a secret passage or something and missing a hallway. Doesn't seem to have bitten me in the ass yet, so I assume it's fine.

The Festival Dudes or whatever it's called FOE is basically impossible right now. Attacks 5-7 times a turn for huge damage each time, and heals back up to full when it gets near half health. I'm not sure if it has a set number of times it can heal up, but I stalled one out until it had healed 5-6 times before I just gave up, so it may not. Doesn't seem to have a ton of HP, so it's plausible that I could take it down in a couple of turns with the right setup, especially if I got lucky with Panic status or something, but I haven't gotten around to trying yet. Magic Bind also might do it, but I don't like using binds if possible because they're so inaccurate that it's hard to rely on them actually being up when they matter.
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on December 22, 2014, 08:00:08 PM
Of what I'm reading, I assume that Magic/Strength/Agility binds are pretty much Head/Arm/Leg binds?
If that's so then my previous EO experience tells me they're even more reliable than status and at certain points nigh mandatory, even. But I dunno how does that hold up on PQ, so yeah.
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Post by: Garlyle on December 22, 2014, 09:45:27 PM
Of what I'm reading, I assume that Magic/Strength/Agility binds are pretty much Head/Arm/Leg binds?
If that's so then my previous EO experience tells me they're even more reliable than status and at certain points nigh mandatory, even. But I dunno how does that hold up on PQ, so yeah.
They're basically the same binds, yes.  That said in PQ they're not as accurate as it'd be nice if they were; if not solely because it's kind of a pain in the ass to find something with the skill that boosts bind success rates (while Impure Reach for ailments/instant kills is available at like level 13 or something).  They do tend to last notably longer in PQ if they stick, though.

If you can successfully magic bind that FOE, it will stop it from Diarahan.  There is another way to stop it, but it won't work yet - it's as part of a quest Elizabeth gives you.
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Post by: CF7 on December 23, 2014, 10:04:49 AM
Pro tip.
Don't play 3-2 (the floor with lots of dark rooms and no random encounters in them) at 3 am with headphones on in a completely dark room, save for the light from the screen of your 3DS.
It's like a mix of Silent Hill and Fatal Frame. 2spooky.

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Post by: MewMewHeart on December 24, 2014, 03:48:30 AM
Pro tip.
Don't play 3-2 (the floor with lots of dark rooms and no random encounters in them) at 3 am with headphones on in a completely dark room, save for the light from the screen of your 3DS.
It's like a mix of Silent Hill and Fatal Frame. 2spooky.
Yup that happened to me too, but more like Corpse party.
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Post by: CF7 on December 25, 2014, 09:47:17 PM
So... Reached 3-4. Fought THAT FOE at the start. Thoughts.  Nope. Nope. Nope. All the Nopes in the world. Never again.
Man, it's like original EO all over again.
Mamudon... P3MC is weak against it. Wooo.
Dark wall helped somewhat. But that "somewhat" is rather questionable, at one point it one shotted 4 members of my team.
Diarahan. 3 times. 3DS always met the wall.
My Chie was definetely a MVP, but she kept oneshotting herself after being cursed over and over and over again.

All in all it took like 45-50 minutes.
On the plus side, what i can guess from dungeon layout, i ran around freely without that thing chasing me. So i it was worth it, i guess.

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Post by: theshirn on December 25, 2014, 10:43:18 PM
Finished the game, P4side, Hard.  64 hours clocked.

Really, really unbalanced and terribly easy, and it leaned too hard on character gimmicks, but still a ton of fun.
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Post by: commandercool on December 27, 2014, 03:12:42 AM
Just finished a certain later-game request where you have to fight a particular person.

Woooow Margaret was weak. I guess she had to be since you get less than half of the characters to fight her (even worse since Naoto counts as like three people :V), but she didn't put up much of a fight.

Interesting that Persona 3 Protagonist's upgraded persona is Messiah, not Thanatos or Orpheus Telos. And he gets Debilitate, goddamn. I haven't seen anyone else's second Persona yet, but does this mean they're going with final forms and giving the Persona 4 cast their Golden Personas? Probably not.

Smooth writing covering up the fact that Shinjiro never gets a second Persona.

Also one of Persona 3 Protagonist's lines before the fight is great. I won't spoil what it is unless someone reading this is being naughty and hasn't done the fight yet (or that line isn't there on the Persona 4 route and you want to see it yourself), but it's pretty good.

Edit: Okay, so Kanji's second Persona was Rokuten Maoh (P4), not Takeji Zaiten (Golden). So I would argue that P3MC's upgraded Persona should have been Thanatos, but WHATEVER, MOM.:derp:
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Post by: CF7 on December 28, 2014, 01:16:00 PM
Um... Do enemies have finite SP? Because those FOE's that look like a gourd with arms and legs are slowly, but surely driving me mad. They spam Diarahan. Like every second or third turn.
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Post by: Serela on December 28, 2014, 03:43:30 PM
I doubt it. Either disable it's ability to use that with a status effect or Magic Bind, or... I heard there's another solution that doesn't work until later? I'm still on Stratum 2 myself. I can only do about a floor (or less) per play session, unlike EO where I could go for a whole stratum or so.
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Post by: Ghaleon on December 29, 2014, 12:44:25 AM
So I've been playing Millenium girl for a bit, on floor 4, and I must say that this is one of the best remakes of a game I've played. I mean the art upgrades are massive, even without the 3d, baddies are animated when they attack and die and stuff. Having the music reworked and allowing you to select new or FM synth classic is sweet, new classes are an addition I wasn't expecting (1 didn't have highlander or gunner before did it? I don't think any had highlander before, and I thought gunner was new in 2), to think that the generation gap between the two games is small is astounding. I mean I've seen game remakes going across MORE than one generation and they have less stuff.

However, I remember when the game was new, there was an EO thread on here before (not the one up now, I checked) talking about it at some point, and I could have SWORN people saying something about dlc within the first week or two of purchase, but when I google dlc for the game, it says there is none... Is my memory playing tricks? Was there a DLC? Does it say none cuz it just got added automatically with a patch I got when I bought it? I dunno.

edit: Oh yeah, and voice acting! Every line is fully voiced with "hurr", "durrr", "huh?", "ahhh", "hurrr" =P
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Post by: Garlyle on December 29, 2014, 12:50:34 AM
The DLC is for Untold 2, not the first Untold.

I assume you're playing Story Mode?
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Post by: theshirn on December 29, 2014, 12:53:33 AM
use panic on the FOEs

actually use panic or mahamaon or mamudoon on everything and you've won the game
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Post by: Ghaleon on December 29, 2014, 12:57:57 AM
The DLC is for Untold 2, not the first Untold.

I assume you're playing Story Mode?

Yeah I know dlc has some but that wasn't even anounced back then soo.. meh.
As for story mode yeah, I chose classic first and the game was like "play story first or else features wont be unlocked"...
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Post by: Serela on December 29, 2014, 03:22:18 AM
Yeahhh the gunner/highlander and Gladsheim are story mode only. You unlock them for classic after beating it, but you technically can only reclass into them... you can't make an actual new Gunner/Highlander without resting the story mode characters down to lv1 and using them for the task.

In Untold 2, I've heard they didn't do anything like that, aka everything should be available in either mode without needing to be unlocked. Thank goodness. Grimoires sound less ugh in 2 as well, but I really don't know much about that- single skill per grimoire and you can supposedly level the skill up via fusion?
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Post by: commandercool on January 01, 2015, 05:28:00 AM
Before you try to do the quest involving killing an FOE in the fourth dungeon read this to avoid unneeded pain:

Elizabeth tells you that bringing a team of four male characters will help somehow, presumably by disabling the boss' healing spells. Apparently Zen doesn't count as a male character for some reason (my assumption about this below, with plot spoilers), so if you do bring him you get none of the benefits but all of the severely crippled team. Thanks game. I don't know if that will be explained away at some point or if it's just the game being an arbitrary dick, but it's good to keep in mind.

Does Zen not count as a male character because the game classifies the Zen/Rei duo as both male and female even when Rei is gone? The only other place in the game I can remember where character gender matters is the matchmaking sequence, and I don't know if Zen and Rei can even participate in that, but if they can I assume they get broken up into component parts anyway.
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Post by: Garlyle on January 01, 2015, 01:02:29 PM
With regard to that,
There's a couple characters who don't count.  Raisins is one.  It also doesn't count Koromaru or Ken.  Point is, if you got a successful team, you should see "[FOE Name] is fired up!" at the start of the fight or something like that, which you wouldn't see normally
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Post by: commandercool on January 01, 2015, 03:32:10 PM
Oh weird. Okay, good to know. Poor Ken. Ha.
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Post by: Ghaleon on January 01, 2015, 05:45:05 PM
Amazon delivered eo4 recently (they said delivered by the 5th, lawl), and so i have been playing that after besting fenris in eo1u. So far im actually finding eo4 to be the most difficult despite everyone saying otherwise. Why? Welp, after the old cave, i enter the first real dungeon, and before long get into a figh with 3 tree rats... Despite recently spending all my gold to purchase armor for my front row, the tree rats proceeded to 1shot my dancer and DH using deadly incisor. I managed to run away and whatnot, passed that floor, etc. then i try some valley dungeon, again, oneshot by deathstalkers, then i goto floor 2, and dem cutter bears are harder to avoid than other foe patterns ive seen.

Some enemies are notably harder even if they dont 1shot too. Angry baboons for example are very worthy opponents for a forst floor firt dungeon thing. Not that im complaining, I do enjoy it.
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Post by: CF7 on January 05, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
Liz wants me to kill Festival Dudes. Liz is evil. >.>
Crazed Slash. Diarahan.
Panic doesn't stick even with Impure Reach. Poison... Same as Panic. Can somewhat reliably inflict Str-bind with Binding Hands, but that still leaves Diarahan spam. Halp?

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Post by: commandercool on January 05, 2015, 11:00:02 PM
Liz wants me to kill Festival Dudes. Liz is evil. >.>
Crazed Slash. Diarahan.
Panic doesn't stick even with Impure Reach. Poison... Same as Panic. Can somewhat reliably inflict Str-bind with Binding Hands, but that still leaves Diarahan spam. Halp?

Use any four male characters, which does not include Zen, Ken, Koromaru, or Teddy, as your team. If you do they can't cast Diarahan and Crazed Slash seems to do either less damage or fewer hits. Elizabeth dropped a hint that you could do this to make it easier, but didn't mention that some male characters don't qualify...
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Post by: Ghaleon on January 06, 2015, 07:46:32 AM
I'm like haflway done the snow land in EO4, and I'm still finding the game far more difficult than all 3 so far personally... Not that I'm complaining. I'm in my 30s now though, and plan to retire at 40 (1 more skillpoint isn't really a big deal, but +1 more allstats will hopefully mean SOMETHING.

My nightseeker is fun but I kinda wish the whole dual wield thing was actually useful for more than just gimping your defense and upping your regular attack. I mean it doesn't do squat for all your actual specials. Kinda thinking it's better to NOT use a 2nd weapon during boss fights because of that reason, and reinvest the points towards something that will actually let me apply status ailments more reliably (basically, even when I black mist every ailment I actually land, there are none at all about 3/4 of the time).
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Post by: Garlyle on January 07, 2015, 03:28:57 AM
You could retire, but personally I'd just suggest resting at 42 unless you plan to change classes around.  The stat bonus is minimal.  Meanwhile, resting at 42 will put you back at 40 with all your skill points freed up - which means full access to the skill trees as you reassign.
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Post by: Ghaleon on January 07, 2015, 03:56:53 AM
I know, but I like retiring once before level 99 in my eo playthrus, and 40 seems about as good a time as any. I'm not particularly fond of seemingly endless grinding or anything, but at the same time I *DO* enjoy replaying "old" content at level appropriate levels using new/improved whatever if the game provides such a system.

One thing though, IIRC the tutorial for that subclass scroll thing mentioned being able to equip a weapon seperately to use subclass skills that use such a weapon, but I do not see any extra slot for such a weapon.. how do I access this? Or did I just totally misunderstand? Assuming I didn't, does this extra slot also provide stats from enhancements or not? I mean, if I put forged hp enhancements to this subweapon, will my hp raise (or str, or whatever)? Or not because it is seperate from normal equipment? I assume status-aiment enhancements will not "stack" with my normal weapon regardless.

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Post by: theshirn on January 07, 2015, 05:41:44 AM
You can equip a subweapon in the second slot, instead of a piece of armor.
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Post by: Garlyle on January 07, 2015, 02:28:51 PM
You can equip a secondary weapon in any of the three available equipment slots, just like you would any other non-main-hand piece of gear.

What's important to note is that only direct attribute bonuses (eg +STR or +HP/TP) will apply from that weapon; things that increase the weapon's stats (+ATK, element damage, ailments, etc.) are mostly useless.  The exception is Nightseekers who have a skill that actually lets them make two strikes, and that secondary weapon post-40 also can be used to doublecast skills at random.

Most classes other than Nightseekers won't use a secondary weapon.  It can mean not having access to your subclass' active attack abilities, but generally speaking that's fine - the lowered investment cap can hurt a lot of active abilities by more than just a small margin.
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 07, 2015, 03:54:25 PM
I'm curious about
Bushis (is this even a spoiler anymore)
in that regard. Are they supposed to be either Katana or Mace, or do they not lose much from having one less armor slot? Me's guessing at the latter, since they feel a bit glassy, but I've never used one so I wouldn't know.
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Post by: Garlyle on January 07, 2015, 04:29:59 PM
I'm curious about
Bushis (is this even a spoiler anymore)
in that regard. Are they supposed to be either Katana or Mace, or do they not lose much from having one less armor slot? Me's guessing at the latter, since they feel a bit glassy, but I've never used one so I wouldn't know.
That's up to you.  Bushi actually have a crapload of raw HP so they're not completely glass (minus the whole "I eat my own HP" thing but few people do more than level 1/2 blood surge because of the exponential cost growth vs small effectiveness growth) and they do well with three actual armor slots or two + an accessory.  The main thing is that until later you probably don't really skill points to develop both trees, so focusing on just one option does lock you out of some skills but also lets you fully invest in that easier.

Suffice to say though there's a reason that Bushi/Nightseeker is a common thing (aside from double Charged skill procs)

speaking of subclasses (http://thispleasestormod.tumblr.com/post/100620421288/etrian-odyssey-iv-subclass-synergy-quick) I dunno if I ever posted this into this thread but I put this together a while ago if you're feeling like "what should I do with my EO4 subclasses"
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Post by: Ghaleon on January 07, 2015, 09:34:15 PM
You can equip a secondary weapon in any of the three available equipment slots, just like you would any other non-main-hand piece of gear.

What's important to note is that only direct attribute bonuses (eg +STR or +HP/TP) will apply from that weapon; things that increase the weapon's stats (+ATK, element damage, ailments, etc.) are mostly useless.  The exception is Nightseekers who have a skill that actually lets them make two strikes, and that secondary weapon post-40 also can be used to doublecast skills at random.

Most classes other than Nightseekers won't use a secondary weapon.  It can mean not having access to your subclass' active attack abilities, but generally speaking that's fine - the lowered investment cap can hurt a lot of active abilities by more than just a small margin.

Oh, yuck... Yeah I don't think I'll do that...Although it'd be funny if nightseekers can wear a THIRD weapon for their subclass since they can wear 2 already as a mainclass. Useful? no, but funny. I already had a hoot at wearing 2 weapons and a shield (some shields are accessable to all classes), THREE weapons and a shield would be even cooler! =P
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Post by: Serela on January 07, 2015, 09:44:40 PM
In EO4, anyone who deals damage is most likely best off subbing bushi and dual-wielding, unless you particularly need a bonus other than EVEN MORE DAMAGE for some reason. (Or are doing nightseeker proficiency shenanigans with non-NS attack skills; R/I and L/R are the only noteworthy exceptions and they're still IMO just inferior to bushi sub) Bushi provides the most extra damage by far and dual-wielding lets you get both Defiance, and double forge damage bonuses. I don't -think- defiance works for runemasters, though, although bushi is still their ideal sub unless you don't have anyone else to be your medic for some reason.

All forges will come into effect from both weapons regardless of what you're doing (not counting fire/volt/ice or status effect forges, that only affect your normal attacks), so getting HIT/ATK/ELM/whatever forges on your second weapon is beneficial whether you're using skills with it or not. (Just one HIT forge is nice to avoid random frustration misses, two if you use N's Swift Edge) This is another reason Bushi is the best offense subclass; dual wielding is already beneficial, defiance (and Endure omgggg) is just icing on the brutal facewipe cake. And you can Deep Breath your auto-surges for tp back in randoms. It's kind of disgusting how superior it is to any other sub on all damage classes- lv1 Blood Surge barely has a penalty for huge damage increase and then you get power boost/defiance/endure for way more.

Not saying you need to sub bushi though. You'll be totally fine without an IDEAL MAX EFFICIENCY PARTY and should just go with whatever party you think is cool c:

When I used a mainclass bushi (from the start, via NG+ on my second play) it was kinda weird to actually be thinking "uhhhhh what do I sub for more damage... uh..." since the rest of the time it's not even really a decision >.> (I went with L after deciding against Fire/Ice Slash/Strike build with R sub) Mainclass bushi is kinda interesting due to their awkward TP management with dreadfully low max and blood surge drain, but recovering it on normal attacks and max Deep Breath/Auto Surge to keep you going instead.

Also, from my experience with Charge+Follow Trace on my N/B in the first gameplay, charge doesn't affect the follow trace'd second cast as it only works on the first skill used. It's been a long time so I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure the second attack did the same damage whether I had charged or not. So, there's not much point in going B/N unless you really want that second normal attack for hp/tp regen; follow trace is an okay damage boost when averaged out but you can get way better elsewhere.
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Post by: Ghaleon on January 08, 2015, 08:19:52 AM
Quick question... I noticed that a level 40+ nightseeker ability says it attacks 3-4 times or something (I forget the #, I think it said 3-4 or 2-4)...it doesn't actually use the 'attack' command that many times does it? So like, with blade flurry and 2 weapons, attack 8 times if it 'rolls' a 4? So far having a 2nd weapon and blade flurry has been completely useless for everything but the actual attack command, but since that one ability says attack specifically...I'm hoping against common sense.

As for that other ability that branches off blade flurry, one where skills may go twice if you have blade flurry...It doesn't actually mention needing a 2nd weapon to do so.. can that ability "proc" even if you have only 1 weapon on you?
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Post by: Garlyle on January 08, 2015, 04:30:02 PM
The level 40+ multi-strike is not basic attacks, it's a skill.  It's still really good, probably the strongest attack a Nightseeker can perform - but it is also one of the most expensive moves they have available.

Follow Trace does require a second weapon to be equipped, as it basically is like having your off-hand activate a skill.  Actually, to which end, Blade Flurry determines the strength of your off-hand attacks as a % of the strength it should be, and it also determines the % strength of the follow-up attack in Follow Trace.  It's a good chunk of skill points to purchase but it's also a crapload of free damage and second chances to activate ailments, so...
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Post by: Serela on January 08, 2015, 06:30:32 PM
Yeah, Swift Edge (3~4 hit attack) is about as strong as Shadow Bite except you DON'T need an ailment for it to function, which makes it awesome. Now your nightseeker can do heavy damage even when an ailment isn't up. (It still gets the huge damage boost from Proficiency, of course, but the nightseeker's other strong attack is all or nothing.)

Blade Flurry is awesome for the first stratum or two (where it makes your Attack command about as good as everyone else's attack skills, and double ailment forge chance) and then later in the game you need to use it to enable Follow Trace (use a skill twice) which is free heaps of extra damage/ailments like Garlyle said.
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Post by: commandercool on January 09, 2015, 04:37:30 AM
Persona Q 100% clear, at least to my knowledge (well, excluding new game plus and the compendium, but who finishes the compendium?) on the P3 route. 70 hours and 17 minutes.

I loved this game. Like, a lot. Even most of the imbalances grew on me by the end. I really don't mind the light/dark power level thing once I realized how often I would've been interrupted during puzzles for lengthy fights without them. Given the nature of the dungeon crawl parts of the game as primarily puzzle-based with secondary RPG elements a "skip fight but still level up so you don't have to grind later" button was welcome for the benefit of the game's flow.

I didn't mess around with stat reverse items or persona fusion terribly heavily so I probably didn't even approach the levels of broken-ness I could have (I don't think I ever had a single persona with magic bind for the entire game), but the balance worked well for me the way it was. There were still enough relatively challenging fights that I didn't completely breeze through the game uncontested like in any other Persona game with skill cards, so I guess I could even say it's arguably more balanced than P3 Portable or P4 Golden.

And gameplay aside I loved the art style and the story came together far better even than I was expecting. Without spoiling anything I'll say that although it seems sparse for the first three quarters plus of the game for the last stretch it's as heavy and high-quality as you've come to expect from any other Persona game. There is story, and it's good. Everything is good. This game is good. It's a real Persona game, it is canon, and it possibly has some interesting implications for the Persona universe. Couldn't recommend more highly for Persona fans, if anyone has been putting off buying or playing it I recommend you stop doing that. 9.5/10, totally counts as a real Persona game, play it.

And now that I'm done with this I can either go back to Pokemon ORAS or finally open the copy of Shin Megani Tensei Strange Journey I bought months ago. Hmm...
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Post by: Ghaleon on January 10, 2015, 07:33:53 PM
Grr, i just found out that conditional boss drops prevent regular drops in eo4, and that they are useless until endgame since you reauire other materials too. I mea. Normally you cannot AFFORD boss co ditional drop gear until super late anyway but still, grr! I bet the flame lisard's normal drop would have been useful, and i dont wanna kill him again right away since the fight is time consuming as fuu if you include the whole sweep around the room and clear scales process, plus i wont have samurai ninja cow with me.

Sorry for questions again but I have a super basic one ive meant to ask all along but always forgot. How the flying foo do i see buffs/debuffs on the enemies? Also, how do buffs work when hou apply a 4th. Does it replace the oldest buff? Or does it replace the one going to expire the most soon?

Also getting the hollow queen's conditional drop is bs. Max rank curse throw doesnt curse her like 5 times out of 6, and it doesnt even HIT her approximately as often... And if i bind her legs, she coincidentally casts that effing cleanse spell to cure her legs on the same turn curse actually effing lands! I took her from 40% to dead using nothing but curse throw 3 times then gave up. Unless there is a far more reliable way to curse i can get later she'll prob get formaldyhyde treatment later ==
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Post by: Garlyle on January 10, 2015, 09:32:10 PM
Quote
Sorry for questions again but I have a super basic one ive meant to ask all along but always forgot. How the flying foo do i see buffs/debuffs on the enemies? Also, how do buffs work when hou apply a 4th. Does it replace the oldest buff? Or does it replace the one going to expire the most soon?
It replaces the oldest buff.

And unfortunately you can't check buffs/debuffs on enemies.
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Post by: Serela on January 11, 2015, 02:02:09 AM
Actually getting the Hollow Queen to die from curse damage is frustrating in itself, so I'd definitely recommend just formaldehyding it if you can't even get Curse Throw to land in the first place.
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Post by: theshirn on January 11, 2015, 02:52:16 AM
Just use Formaldehyde.  You can't make their stuff until the postgame anyway and at that point you can actually farm Formaldehydes.
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Post by: Ghaleon on January 11, 2015, 06:17:16 AM
Formaldehyde is the best RPG item invention ever...Unless another rpg did it first...Can't think of any that do though, and I've played quite a few. Also, I can see why bushi and nightseeker go well together, that said nightseeker/dancer at very high levels also looks like it might be interesting. Assuming sword dance can proc/stack with blade flurry, for the first time, I have a feeling it does.
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Post by: Serela on January 11, 2015, 01:47:32 PM
Sword Dance/Blade Flurry don't really synergize any more than blade flurry's one extra hit; if it feels like it does, you may not have experienced how crazy it is with Sho/Bucc dual wield swashbuckling in EO3, where you usually get 4+ hits and can go up to 8. (Although they don't do a lot of damage, it's just for proccing chasers. If you use two with Warrior's Might though, gg everything... literally everything if you use a TP battery N/Z)

It does work alright with all those chase dances or a linker (although with a linker, since Dancer has so much spare SP I'd sooner just sub runemaster to be your Rune buff/debuff caster and use one of the multihit runes for multiple link triggers) but that's more of a fun gimmick build than an actual effective build, and in either case there's little point doing it with a mainclass nightseeker rather than a mainclass dancer. You'd get gobs more damage off just casting Swift Edge in terms of using their proficiency skill, you have autospread throws for randoms over half the time- and that's not counting how much benefit you're missing out on from not subbing an actually useful subclass.

Dancer/Nightseeker to abuse Mist Dance stun (with samba procs on the side, probably) can work though. 5 D/Ns just lock everything down forever. Literally. That many proc chances overcomes built up status resist.
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Post by: Garlyle on January 11, 2015, 05:30:32 PM
Formaldehyde is the best RPG item invention ever...Unless another rpg did it first...Can't think of any that do though, and I've played quite a few. Also, I can see why bushi and nightseeker go well together, that said nightseeker/dancer at very high levels also looks like it might be interesting. Assuming sword dance can proc/stack with blade flurry, for the first time, I have a feeling it does.
It can.  Due to Sword Dance being capped at half level you're capped to 6 attacks when you hit your attack button (Dancer/NS gets 8); but it's still really good.  Especially with ailment forges on weapons and investment into Mist Dance (gives your normal attacks a chance to stun).
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Post by: CF7 on January 12, 2015, 10:01:56 AM
So... I am stuck at last two floors of
Clock Tower
in Persona Q. I mostly explored both floors and i know where the stairs/save point is located, but have no idea how to get to them. Might be mapping mistake, but i tried everything and still can't get to the unexplored area on either floor.
Also
Reaper
is back. But due to him having so many attacks, there's a good chance he won't use any "bad" ones. Also defeating him is kind of pointless
all three times
.
Silver Spiders
are arguably worse.
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Post by: commandercool on January 12, 2015, 01:33:17 PM
So... I am stuck at last two floors of
Clock Tower
in Persona Q. I mostly explored both floors and i know where the stairs/save point is located, but have no idea how to get to them. Might be mapping mistake, but i tried everything and still can't get to the unexplored area on either floor.
Also
Reaper
is back. But due to him having so many attacks, there's a good chance he won't use any "bad" ones. Also defeating him is kind of pointless
all three times
.
Silver Spiders
are arguably worse.

This probably isn't that useful, but when I got stuck in the same place it was just because there was a staircase that I had discovered but never actually used, and it took a while to realize that because I had to keep swapping between floor views to see that there was nothing uncovered on the other side. After I figured that out every time I found a new staircase I at least entered and then immediately went back to make it more clear on the map that I had an area left to explore. That's probably not your problem, but hopefully it is and it's something to look out for if you aren't already.

Regarding that FOE:
Yeah, Reaper was surprisingly weak for pretty much the reason you described. I found the spiders to be tough but doable, since they never seemed to spam instant kills more than one out of quite a few turns, but maybe I got lucky.
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Post by: CF7 on January 13, 2015, 10:12:26 AM
And it was indeed a mapping mistake. After meticulously checking every square on the map, i discovered that for some reason i decided to mark a door as a wall. Beat the game. 100% all the maps. Unlocked
Zeus
fusion. Due to me getting lost easily and battling a lot of FOE's, it took me 96H 34M. Was fun.
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Post by: Garlyle on January 14, 2015, 07:54:49 PM
Etrian Mystery Dungeon trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeW2zD9XiXs)

I'm still conflicted over whether or not I wanted this or not.
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Post by: theshirn on January 14, 2015, 08:35:39 PM
Etrian Mystery Dungeon trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeW2zD9XiXs)

I'm still conflicted over whether or not I wanted this or not.
(http://i.imgur.com/v7HIMjq.jpg)
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Post by: Chaotic Phoenixma on January 15, 2015, 12:01:39 AM
F.O.E + Monster Houses


I'd probably pass on it. I didn't care for Pokemon Mystery Dungeon and I've barely played much in any of the Etrian games I have. I am playing Persona Q right now though and have gotten to the second labyrinth on Risky P3 side. Currently around level 11 or 12 but I'm trying to find where I missed map percentage on the first labyrinth 3rd floor.
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Post by: Ghaleon on January 15, 2015, 06:15:44 AM
I never played a mystery dungeon game, but I've heard people mention pokemon mystery dungeon like it has labyrinth of touhou elements...which is an instant yay for me...I've also heard it's a roguelike...which is also a yay... Etrian odyssey + roguelike + Labyrinth of Touhou? If it's really like that, chances are I'll like it even MORE than the rest of the series.
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Post by: Jq1790 on January 20, 2015, 10:13:09 PM
Finally picked up Untold again after setting it down for way too long, currently in the third stratum, Story Mode.

My team's a little different from the default though since I decided to forgo my mass elemental damage in favor of making Arthur a Hexer; could not be happier with my decision, even IF he's even squishier than usual due to much lower level(though he's catching up) and low-power defensive gear combined.

Currently at the first boss of the third stratum who'd been kicking the CRAP out of me when I first arrived, but now that I've been doing some requests and upgrading my equipment and such I think I'm almost ready to take her on again.  I nearly beat her in my last attempt, but my lack of TP recovery options kinda killed that by the time the boss hit the red.

Setup is:
Highlander(mainly used for Bloody Offense but also using Legion Thrust for randoms to help speed them up a little; I need to level it up though and be careful of the party-wise damage.  Used to have a Grimoire Stone on him with Chasers but decided to respec him for using his native skills instead, finding myself happy with that decision since the Chasers are awfully expensive for him yet and not QUITE powerful enough to justify 12 TP.)
Raquna(used as expected.  Max level Defender for the opening of most tougher fights and when it runs low, then Front Guard/Rear Guard as appropriate)
Simon(Totally healing-focused)
Arthur(Reclassed into Hexer as stated above.  Not sure where I'll focus once Curse Mastery is Lv. 10, but i'll worry about that when it is.)
Ricky/Frederica:  Mainly specced into Ice Bullet for all the ants I'm fighting here.  Considering getting her back to having Vulcan Stance later to give me an all-target attack, unless I just go for the Highlander's Burst skills.)

Also three of the five have SOME level of Bloodlust, which is silly to watch, especially Ricky who's got a Lv. 8 of the skill on her Grimoire Stone.

So, should this team be ok, do you think, or will I run into problems later running this way?

EDIT:  Beat up the Ant Queen, now working on mapping 13F.  Doesn't seem like enemies are especially difficult here at the moment, just gotta be sure to have Ariadne Threads like usual for when my TP runs low.  The Aquatic Butcher FOEs are annoying with the OHKO chance on their skill though.  Gotta look up their Codex entry to figure out ho their conditional drop is likely to work, see if I have the ability(or can GET the ability) to grab it at some point.  I already need to hunt down a source of Paralysis somewhere for Dragonfly enemies so I won't be surprised if I need to go out of my way for another item as well.
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Post by: Ghaleon on January 24, 2015, 07:24:51 AM
So I finished the main story of EO4 last night, and did some dragon slaying + dark-whats-it-called dungeon exploring today. Had my 2nd party wipe recently to inspecting statues in the dungeon. I knew it would be an ambush, killed the muskoids despite having low burst meter, got 4 afterwards, and tried again because 1: maybe the 2nd inspect would be safe...obvious ambushes tend to have better responses if it lets you inspect a 2nd time after all, and 2: with 4 burst I could try to insta-death them with that burst skill for conditional drops (I cheat and look at wiki for conditional drops after I kill something at least once, since there is 5 in one encounter, I just had to know right away, especially since I never saw one during the last HOUR of exploring, what are the chances). Needless to say it was still an ambush (you would think you at least don't get ambushed the 2nd time since your group knows what happened the first time), and all 5 used all stone, and despite using a meteor pumpkin or whatever it's called, my entire party got stoned before Ic ould move... lame.

My first party wipe was from a rare-spawn suicide-shallot thing in the misty rivine. It expanded on its first turn, and I couldn't kill it right away despite me using a burst skill on it at the time (my dps was really low at the start of the game, I just have a late bloomer party I guess), and since it was rare, it got to move first on turn 2, where it oneshot my entire party. blarg. I may have had more but those are the only 2 I've had where I actually lost a lot of time exploring and @%##@%.

Anyway, EO4 was great....but I think I'll like EO1U more, and almost sure I'll like EO2U more. I like the music in the older titles more, especially in the U versions where you can swap between fm and modern audio styles. (though eo4 still has great music, I particularly like the quest-boss music... quest not mission, ones like baboon king, hallow overseer, cursed prince who had the quest boss music instead of mission boss music for some reason, etc). The airship stuff in EO4 was WAY better than the ship thing in EO3, but in retrospect it still is kinda tedius IMO...Because it kinda promotes you running around wasting time hunting for the food you want before you do the dungeon you want. Then you might bump into a gold outdoor FOE you want or something, where you decide to kill that instead, then you go back to town and rest since you blew thru tp killing the gold foe, then a pooka appears or something, so you kill that, but then you don't get the food you want cuz you wore airship gear for pooka hunting instead of rare food gathering, so you rest again...You get the drift...I know you don't NEED to do this, but as an efficientist (yes I just made that up), I'm compelled to, or else I'll EXPLODE! I'm sure I'm not the only one either.

I think the whole air thing would be way better for me if the food thing would last a day or two in game rather than magically vanish as soon as you visit town or something.

My 2nd gripe is that money is even more trivial in this game than previous EO games...EO is kinda liked by many of its fans because it's supposed to be relatively difficult and unforgiving...being stingy with cash and making you make hard choices about how to spend your cash is part of challenge in any game...Unfortunately this one NEVER made me feel tight on cash, and even if I WANTED to go on a shopping spree buying all the expensive stuff, I couldn't cuz virtually everything expensive needs a conditional drop that you can only get a handful of before making more money obtaining more than you spend buying what you needed them for. I always thought EO made money trivial like virtually every other rpg game after the first stratum or two, but in EO4 I never even felt tight on the very first stratum.

Last, it's not a gripe but just something I think can be improved...I like how EO4 has multiple dungeons. I just think they would be even more exciting if they all didn't have the format of a small 1 floor dungeon, or a 'large' 3 floor dungeon. I think it would be more rewarding to finish a dungeon if you didn't know how large it would be or whatever until you reached the end.

Anyway, more random questions if you guys don't mind!

1: I have gloves that cause death...I also have a zord that causes death, do they stack?

2: I forget if it was tec or luck.. but I read one of these stats affect how often your ailment-inducing attacks land. Is this a significant influence or not so much as the ability/weapon/whatever? I ask because I am pondering on how viable it would be to make a secondary party of nightseeker/dancers for blade flurry+sword dance wielding petrify swords to try and petrify (or whatever other status, but petrify is one that my 'main' party has absolutely no hope of doing at all on their own) foes and such like 30 levels higher than them. If luck/tec didn't really matter THAT much, than it would obviously work great compared to virtually everything else, but if it is a significant factor, I would rather not bother.

3: I can prob find out for myself but work and lazy to level up... prob will if someone can't answer cuz they didn't find out themselves already...Does anyone know if wufan, kigami (or whatever his name is), and...uhh... whatever whirlwind's name is has the exact same stats as an ordinary character would of equal level + no retire +same classes?

4: I read somewhere from someone else's post that my party (which I had from the very start) isn't good for post game for some reason (actually other person had the same mainclasses, they didn't have subclasses yet, nor did I)...But so far it has been serving me just fine, and as a matter of fact, I'm doing better and better now than I did in stratum 1 and 2. I have:
Nightseeker/bushi + Fortress/arcanist + Dancer/Land
Healer/dancer + Rune/Imp

I'm more than willing to stick with my party even if it isn't the optimal one, as long as it is capable of everything...But I don't want to hit 99 and then retire and then find out I need a new class or something at the last minute, any comments? Frankly I don't see how something can kill my party that couldn't kill any party. Regen dance is so amazing, even for my healer because heal mastery makes her subclass regen dance as effective as a mainclass one... the land subclass for my main dancer isn't really stuck to me though, I just chose it to provide chaser element to my NS...and if you think my party lacks long-term sustainable dps... yes it does (since my NS is half my dps and they run out of tp faster than hell...unless I get an ailment to land, at which point my NS simply pulverizes virtually anything in 1-2 attacks as I'm sure everyone would know)

5: Do certain ailments have a greater chance of being resisted than others by certain enemies? If so, is there one that "lands" the most often? I maxed venom throw on my NS first because I felt if there was any ailment that would land the most often on most enemies, poison would be it since it is the least debilitating to major enemies. Something tells me that in this game they all have an equal chance to land on every enemy except death/petrify since it would be silly to 1shot a boss with those. Though maybe sleep lands more often because you need to sleep the cradle guardian for its conditional drop and it took me forever to kill that thing, and I never landed a single status ailment on it ONCE between poison, 3 blind gasses, OR perma max (sub) rank nerve circle (which lands generally within the first circle or two to any other boss/foe...cradle guardian managed to not be affected by like 5... and 2 poison circles for full duration)
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Post by: Serela on January 24, 2015, 02:52:46 PM
1.Ailment/element forges on armors/accessories mean you resist that status.
2.TEC and LUC faced against the enemy's TEC/LUC does significantly effect status chance. Going against much higher leveled enemies won't work well. LUC has twice as much of an increase to status power as TEC (unless you're playing EOU1, where they goofed up and switched it)
3.I can't say for sure, but probably. Too bad you can't get retirement status bonuses on them!
4.You don't need an ideal party to get through the game, it just means the postgame bosses will be more of a challenge. (A really good party might not even have a whole lot of trouble, so this isn't necessarily a bad thing) You have enough really good classes to balance out the less useful ones. I'm not entirely sure what your D/L is for?
5.I believe so, yeah. Poison is a great choice overall, especially because Venom Throw does frickin' nuts damage at max, and Venom Throw+Auto Spread is godly for randoms. I think Sleep tends to land more easily as well since it's a minor status effect- but only those lines, yeah, you only get one hit off it! If you make sure it's Shadow Bite, that works pretty well tho'. Curse might be easy just because it's such a bad status, but I never tried using it either; I either used Nerve Circle or Venom Toss.
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Post by: Ghaleon on January 24, 2015, 04:51:11 PM
Thanks. My dancer/land doesnt really have a purpose per say. I just started with a dancer at the start to keep my front row buffed, and over time never felt the NEED to change the class. I also figured she could do decent damage at the start since it said potentially front row with swords... Sounded half damagey at the time. Currently, she provides my front row with good healing and can make sure nobody is ailed or bound, and does provide a buff too sometimes (normally attack tango, beat dance is also actually decent damage but some bosses/foes prevent me from meeting its in-battle requirements). If you are wondering why I need regen dance to heal my front row when I have a healer, it is just that line heal or party heal cannot heal near death to full, and with regen dance, it can, not to mention its far more tp efficient. Most of the time I dont need to heal at all, and yes my healer does sit around with nothin to do much of the time, but I chalk that off as a good thing since ive never lost a battle that had that situation.

As for ailment armor, I knew it provides resistance, but for some reason I got the impression that expel gauntlets are an exception where it provides offensive death rather than resistance. i mean even the name kinda sounds like it deals desth rather than saves you from it.  I mean there ARE some pieces of equipment that feature forge boneses that you cant make yourself.

Also, the npc turned playable people, didnt occur to me you wouldnt be able to retire em. Kinda a shame if you like their portrait.
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Post by: Garlyle on January 24, 2015, 09:59:43 PM
With regards to money, I honestly was glad to have it so free-flowing in EO4.  It was not at all fun having to either waste skill slots on my party to bring the gathering skills into dungeons, or have to build an entire separate team for whenever I need to generate money.  It wasn't fun spending hours gathering and teleporting back and gathering and teleporting back over and over to afford endgame equipment.  It wasn't fun having a dead weight class in my party in EO3 to be efficient.  Etc etc

Of note:

3. Yes, the NPC characters don't have retirement bonuses and will be replaced as normal if you do retire them, sadly.
4. I'm pretty sure that you can beat all of the postgame with any team you want - although the more synergy in your party the better.  You have a Runemaster, which I'd argue is the most important to have (either as a main or a sub), and a capable healer, so you're solid.  You're probably going to find yourself wanting to tune up your party soon though, but at this point experience starts flowing really freely and resting  when you've made decisions is child's play.
5. The base ailment success rate on enemies varies significantly depending on the type.  As noted some are generally more reliable (Poison) while others are rare to work (Death, Petrify).
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Post by: Serela on January 25, 2015, 01:32:12 AM
Oh yeah, the money thing in EO4 is because in the earlier games you can mass harvest to farm tons of money. (granted, only EO3 made this an -easy- task, but...)
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Post by: Ghaleon on January 25, 2015, 08:10:19 AM
Yeah I like how you can chop/mine/take without investing skillpoints, and one skillpoint is the max investment, but I still wish money was more meaningful, and shopping felt more like a strategy in terms of what to get, what to save up for, how much consumeables to get for preparations, etc... now it's not much choice, you can just get everything you need at all times pretty much.
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Post by: Tamer Anode/Cathode on January 25, 2015, 03:29:06 PM
Partway through fourth stratum in EOU, just finished with the MOST BORING FLOOR IN EXISTENCE.

Sticking with my default classes because I don't want to suffer the level losses from reclassing, but I've been making use of grimoires to supplement my skills because Megaten taught me to be an awful minmaxing asshole. Simon currently has Lv* Forest Breach, Lv* Hypnosis, and Lv9 Seal Arms, Highlander got some Gunner skills like Penetrator and Double Strike, and Arthur's going to be holding on to that Hexer grimoire because Staggering Word is hilarious whenever it procs at the start of a battle. Raquna has chasers which are good for following up my back row when I need a lot of elemental damage fast, and Ricky just has some stat boosters and another potential shot of Staggering Word.
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on January 28, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
Well, I just did it.
I got Persona Q.
I'll mourn that the dragons aren't in the postgame. Nor is Scatter About. But I intend to enjoy it very much.
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Post by: Jq1790 on January 28, 2015, 08:49:43 PM
Partway through fourth stratum in EOU, just finished with the MOST BORING FLOOR IN EXISTENCE.

Sticking with my default classes because I don't want to suffer the level losses from reclassing, but I've been making use of grimoires to supplement my skills because Megaten taught me to be an awful minmaxing asshole. Simon currently has Lv* Forest Breach, Lv* Hypnosis, and Lv9 Seal Arms, Highlander got some Gunner skills like Penetrator and Double Strike, and Arthur's going to be holding on to that Hexer grimoire because Staggering Word is hilarious whenever it procs at the start of a battle. Raquna has chasers which are good for following up my back row when I need a lot of elemental damage fast, and Ricky just has some stat boosters and another potential shot of Staggering Word.
I actually got a Hexer Grimoire myself that inspired me to switch Arthur over to Hexer as his real class after using some of the skills to help me down Cernunnos way back when.  Staggering Word is a lovely thing, too, especially as enemy damage continues to climb.

As I stated above, I also have Bloodlust on some people and when I use Bloody Offense on the back row where Ricky is, it's hilarious how powerful it is when it saps her HP for the trigger.  Well above her normal attack strength(Her Bloodlust is Lv. 8, and she's my primary damage-dealer.  I really need to get the Highlander set up for doing more damage or something though since only one powerful attacker is getting kind of bothersome, though I HAVE been working on that).
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Post by: theshirn on March 11, 2015, 01:21:32 AM
oh hey they finally announced a release for untold 2

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Post by: Kilgamayan on March 11, 2015, 01:33:52 AM
I HAVE A GREAT NEED
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 11, 2015, 01:46:36 AM
Rip university.
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Post by: KrackoCloud on March 11, 2015, 03:33:09 AM
I was super stoked when I heard the announcement. I've been waiting for the Western release.

Then I heard Atlus is gonna price it at $50. What on earth? That's so disappointing!
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Post by: Garlyle on March 11, 2015, 05:19:53 AM
I was super stoked when I heard the announcement. I've been waiting for the Western release.

Then I heard Atlus is gonna price it at $50. What on earth? That's so disappointing!
Not even surprised at this point.

But hell ye

I can be excited for a couple days until Codename STEAM comes out and completely diverts attention
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Post by: Ghaleon on March 11, 2015, 06:03:48 AM
I need to get back to EOU1. I was really liking it but then when 4 came out via amazon I played that a ton, and then kid icarus, and then darkest dungeon, and xcom long war and a friend of mine finally got into warframe so I can play that withs omeone finally and and.. fuck.. game overload. Need 80 hours a day, help!
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Post by: Serela on March 11, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
Well if you buy it from canada you can get it for about 43.36 dollars based on current pre-order rates :V But they might hit you on shipping instead, if you live in the US. We'll see what happens. I'm pretty hype for EOU2; It has 14~15 classes and they're actually -all- quite powerful and useful, -all- having a variety of effective builds and new skills compared to the old games. Having memorized the jpwiki and watched Krimmy play the whole game onstream, the game has good balance, apart from the added Princess class seeming a little -too- good... (Spoiler:The story MC Fafnir has an exclusive class, cannot reclass, and does more dmg than the rest of the party combined. Sorry. Something you should probably know if you're going to play story. At least you can reclass everyone else at lv1 now!)

Oh yeah and grimoires are vastly less stupid now. I actually think they're interesting in this game, as opposed to planning on never playing EOU1 a third time ever because grimoires are just annoying. I could make a huge post on how they're changed but :effort:

In other news; the Etrian Mystery Dungeon page released a lot more info a few weeks ago. The game actually is starting to look like it could be pretty interesting, and not just some odd crossover that might be alright. http://www.atlus.com/etrianmd/adventures.html

Namely; the DOEs advance up through the dungeons in real-time (I doubt it actually occurs whilst the DS is off, but basically I imagine they mean whether you're in that specific dungeon or not) and if they reach town they'll wreck it up a bit and disable some areas for awhile.  (There's also a town upgrading system, but there's no info on it) To combat this, you can build Forts in the dungeon, which not only lock down a certain number of dungeon floors depending on the degree of fort (Mystery dungeon; they normally randomize each time!), and not only impede the DOEs... but you can staff it with several guild members who will GAIN EXP EQUAL TO YOUR EXPLORATION PARTY. (And if a DOE runs into 'em it seems you take control to beat it up.)

In other words, you actually create and use an entire guild, not just a single party. That alone makes it look more interesting to me; you can try every class without any grind worries, test all kinds of goofy party combinations like multiple dancers or weirdly build characters, and change up your exploration party to suit the upcoming areas.
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Post by: trancehime on March 12, 2015, 02:11:55 AM
Well if you buy it from canada you can get it for about 43.36 dollars based on current pre-order rates :V But they might hit you on shipping instead, if you live in the US. We'll see what happens. I'm pretty hype for EOU2; It has 14~15 classes and they're actually -all- quite powerful and useful, -all- having a variety of effective builds and new skills compared to the old games. Having memorized the jpwiki and watched Krimmy play the whole game onstream, the game has good balance, apart from the added Princess class seeming a little -too- good... (Spoiler:The story MC Fafnir has an exclusive class, cannot reclass, and does more dmg than the rest of the party combined. Sorry. Something you should probably know if you're going to play story. At least you can reclass everyone else at lv1 now!)

Fafnir's toolkit is pretty much revolve around doing nothing but damage-dealing tbh. Overkill is stupid, elemental waves with Element Boost is also stupid especially when there's only one target. Etc.
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Post by: Sana on March 16, 2015, 07:23:09 PM
Chipping in to say EOU2 rules :>
Didn't use Fafnir much though, I zoomed through story mode on picnic with endgame gear to see if beating it unlocked anything...which it doesn't(other than carrying over your story mode party which includes Fafnir). Which is good, because it means classic actually has pretty much everything unlike EOU!
I did 3 runs of classic with mostly different parties, and I gotta say the changes to bard in particular are super sad. Princess does almost everything bard does, except better '_'
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Post by: theshirn on March 16, 2015, 10:32:17 PM
but are muckdiles still a thing
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Post by: Serela on March 16, 2015, 11:07:04 PM
Troub is actually still a pretty useful class imo, at least in certain party setups, but princess is stupid good. I'd say it's more that princess is on crack than troub is actually a bad class. (EO3 princess was already a little silly but this is also like an eo3 princess on crack and then some) Troub's high AGI and sky high TP also make it pretty good for putting bow/gun grimoires on, or outright reclassing (which you can do at lv1 game start afaik) into a surv or gunner for massive TP, or for a really fast higher-tp medic. Troub has really nice base stats apart from STR.

Muckdiles (dinogators?) are still no joke. I won't spoil more deliciousness than that, partially because I don't remember how Krimmy's fight with one really went, other than he TOTALLY DIED. :3
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Post by: Sana on March 17, 2015, 12:36:56 AM
Bard is a viable class and all, but I don't think it's all that great, especially when compared to EOU bard!
The loss of easy, passive healing really hurts it a lot, and they didn't really buff or add anything else to compensate. It feels like they really focused on making princess good, then forgot that there was already a dedicated buffing class in the game :V
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Post by: Garlyle on March 17, 2015, 08:10:23 AM
Bard is a viable class and all, but I don't think it's all that great, especially when compared to EOU bard!
The loss of easy, passive healing really hurts it a lot, and they didn't really buff or add anything else to compensate. It feels like they really focused on making princess good, then forgot that there was already a dedicated buffing class in the game :V
To be fair that's basically what happened to Troubadour between EO1 and EO2 originally.  EO2 got rid of Troubadour's most notable skill (TP regeneration song) and in return gave... basically nothing.  And added War Magus.

I'll not bring Princess along when I do my classic mode playthrough anyway though and have a Troubadour instead because fuck it.
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Post by: Serela on March 17, 2015, 12:25:32 PM
Well, they -did- buff the status song (it's actually a resist buff and NOT just recovery speed up, which had always made it lamer than casting refresh) and added the TP heal one-turn octet (In a game where amritas take forever to become available and the bosses actually tend to run everyone out of tp), but princess already has prevent order and a TP-healing force break... (If you really want to spam highest-cost skills though, like a compression alch facemelting things, the troub's is practically required tho; but... that's mostly the only case where princess doesn't do the job) Prevent order has to be spammed and you can't always be force boosted, though. But it's 100% effect pays you for the effort...

Max HP buffs seem to go pretty underrated too, as far as I can tell. It's like having another stack of the defense buff, and in this game buffs decay when you stack them, so you can't get that any other way. (2nd is 60%, 3rd is 20%, it doesn't differentiate between buffs/debuffs so troub atk song and hexer def debuff will make one decay) So, the troub increases party survivability by a notable amount more than another class can. Princess doesn't have Rally Order in this game either.

The one-turn heal octet isn't as lame as it may sound imo, and if you use a Beast it's almost the only healing skill that will interrupt between attacks to heal instead of triggering after every hit has resolved, which is a good thing. (You really need to doublemax it to get a strong heal, but it's pretty easy to find max level grimoires for lv5 skills, lv5 max being another reason it's nice) But, then again, Princesses heal a good chunk just from buffing people, plus they actually have Protect Order still >.>;

And then with the force boost, troub gets notably more turns to use not-buffing than the princess does, so more time to use octets or grimoire'd skills, which matters since you can actually easily get a variety of grimoires now. But... Princess has a powerful chaser attack for it's free turns even without grimoires ;_;

idk I'm just endlessly ranting
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Post by: Garlyle on March 17, 2015, 11:57:59 PM
No I'm actually glad to hear the ranting 8D

Buff decay from stacking is a thing in a few of the EO games but I've never heard of it being tuned so sharply (In EO4 it's something like -10% on each successive effect, not -40%!).  That  certainly does impact the value of the +max HP song @_@

Man, I should use this energy to go back and finish up Persona Q and EOU1 Classic whoops
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Post by: Serela on March 18, 2015, 03:12:28 AM
There's also a few good reasons for troub's Fantasias to be worth your time, but they still take a ridiculous amount of point investment, so it's not the easiest thing to go in for. z.z
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Post by: theshirn on March 30, 2015, 11:32:22 PM
someone send help

my five arcanist run has made it to subclasses

help me
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Post by: Molten on April 03, 2015, 08:28:41 PM
I haven't been around here for ages, let's go for it! :P I've been getting into Etrian Odyssey in a big way since the release of IV here in Europe and it's like now one of my fave series ever :P

Anyways, I have a question for people that's familiar with EOIII. What's a good level to fight the 3rd stratum boss? And what's a good level to fight the boss if i won't wanna grind up my burst for Aegis Ward right before the fight? (Basically tanking the first crazy phys lazer attack) My current party are a at around lv 37 and the only ones that can survive the attack are my Hoplite and my Zodiac.
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Post by: Makedounia on April 03, 2015, 11:05:31 PM
I haven't been around here for ages, let's go for it! :P I've been getting into Etrian Odyssey in a big way since the release of IV here in Europe and it's like now one of my fave series ever :P

Anyways, I have a question for people that's familiar with EOIII. What's a good level to fight the 3rd stratum boss? And what's a good level to fight the boss if i won't wanna grind up my burst for Aegis Ward right before the fight? (Basically tanking the first crazy phys lazer attack) My current party are a at around lv 37 and the only ones that can survive the attack are my Hoplite and my Zodiac.

I'm usually around lvl 38 when I fight that boss so your party's levels are fine. If you have princess on your party you can buff one row with guard order on the first turn. Then I usually just defend with everybody except hoplite on the second turn and survive the lazer attack.
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Post by: Molten on April 03, 2015, 11:12:57 PM
I'm usually around lvl 38 when I fight that boss so your party's levels are fine. If you have princess on your party you can buff one row with guard order on the first turn. Then I usually just defend with everybody except hoplite on the second turn and survive the lazer attack.

Problem is I don't have Guard Order right now for some dumb reason. I have a Mink that's subbed Princess but i decided to got for some points in Monarch March first :/

My party right now is Hoplite(Ninja)/Monk(Princess) front row, and Zodiac(Gladiator)/Ninja(Zodiac)/Arbalist(Gladiator) back row. On my last attempt, with everyone defending on the lazer, only my Hopite and Zodiac survived.
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Post by: Makedounia on April 03, 2015, 11:27:57 PM
Quote

Problem is I don't have Guard Order right now for some dumb reason. I have a Mink that's subbed Princess but i decided to got for some points in Monarch March first :/

My party right now is Hoplite(Ninja)/Monk(Princess) front row, and Zodiac(Gladiator)/Ninja(Zodiac)/Arbalist(Gladiator) back row. On my last attempt, with everyone defending on the lazer, only my Hopite and Zodiac survived.

You can try equipping everyone with bash charm. You can get it by selling the rare mine item from the third stratum to the shop.
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Post by: Matsuri on April 04, 2015, 12:31:08 AM
Etrian Mystery Dungeon preordered.

The wait begins.
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Post by: Molten on April 04, 2015, 01:08:51 AM
You can try equipping everyone with bash charm. You can get it by selling the rare mine item from the third stratum to the shop.
I guess I'll have to try that then~

Etrian Mystery Dungeon preordered.

The wait begins.
Oh how jealous I am. The joys of living in Europe :P

Edit: The tip worked wonders for me and I'm not at the 4th stratum boss instead~ I'm currently grinding for materials and gearing up to get ready for it. Party currently at 45.
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Post by: Garlyle on April 07, 2015, 07:20:09 PM
EOMD is out.

For it being an EO game I'm still on the fence about whether or not I'll actually do the thing though asdfgh
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Post by: Matsuri on April 07, 2015, 07:42:29 PM
My copy just arrived. I'll see firsthand if it's worth it or not :v
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Post by: Third Eye Lem on April 08, 2015, 06:51:35 AM
Played it a bit not too long ago. I gotta say, this is a lot more intense than the Pokemon games. You have to actually shuffle around your party members and fight strategically, even if it's just one enemy. Also the fear of not knowing how many floors down the boss is quite the thing too :ohdear:

For some reason it takes my Gunner ages to level up, while my Medic levels up fairly quickly. I guess EXP curves are a thing for each class now, which might make leveling up a bit weird.
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Post by: theshirn on April 09, 2015, 02:18:55 AM
I've been playing it because I am a massive sucker for all things EO

help me
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Post by: Ghaleon on April 09, 2015, 04:06:32 AM
I need cashes so I can buy it, eek. Never played a mystery dungeon game before but I like roguelikes, dungeon crawlers, and EO, so how can it possibly go wrong.

That said I just had a late epiphany towards a pain in the ass quest for EOU1. I'm on floor 25 and I'm still struggling to collect 10 gold fur's for some pub quest, so I'm wandering all over the place trying to get the gold furs, I search google for it, and the best anyone offers is wander on 24f for boars..where they spawn in like 1 in 4 battles, and drop a gold fur in like 1 in 10 of those 1 in 4... needless to say it's taking effing forever.

now that I'm at 9 gold fur's, NOW I get the lightbulb in my head going to just use a flippin' formaldhyde on the packs with 1 boar and 2 muskoids.. get the fur, and the muskoids will let me make more formaldhyde's.. *facedesk*.

That said one thing I like about EO more than EOU is that the conditional drops in EO seemed more interesting and less build-specific. Like IIRC the 3rd boss requires you to never use a fire spell against it for its conditional, but in EOU it's something lame like it needs to die from poison damage or something boring.
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Post by: Garlyle on April 09, 2015, 04:52:08 AM
Etrian Mystery Dungeon is both much better than I expected and yet still somewhat unsatisfying.

I mean okay straight up it's a fun MD game.  It's just that it's still an MD game first and foremost and that kinda comes with a "yup I've seen this crap before"

The biggest thing holding it back is the AI, like in basically every MD with parties.  The AI is godawful and without expending Burst or being in a boss battle (not even an FOE battle) you can only control one of your party members per turn.  This wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact it's the mystery dungeon randomizing engine at play, in other words, everything is either wide open rooms or one-character-wide corridors.  They might work well with open rooms, but those teeny passages do not play nice with parties.  It impacts skills in weird ways, it causes issues because of the formation, and the AI frequently gets clogged up or out of the order you'd ideally want people going in on and just things go wrong and it's messy.  And it's really a shame because you get into enjoying it and then bam your leader gets confused or slowed or something and you watch the rest of your party act like chickens with their heads cut off while you can't do a damn thing.

Like really, if the AI was better or taking manual control of your party was a more realistic option this game would be hands down my favourite MD (not that this is terribly major competitoin).  As it is though I think I'd probably still say Nightmare of Druaga is my favourite MD.

That said there is one major advantage the game has over almost any other dungeon crawler which is that your inactive members gain significant EXP.  Like, very significant.  "You can literally have a team that just is sitting in fortresses to fight DOEs and they'll be strong enough to do so" significant.  I actually have one of every single class and it's working great.
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Post by: Matsuri on April 09, 2015, 04:58:41 AM
The way it's working out for me is both baffling and frustrating. Right now it's:

Guild Polestar
Leader Matsuri - Gunner
Paula - Runemaster
Kumatora - Hexer
Ana - Dancer

As it stands, Paula and Kumatora absolutely thrash anything that comes even remotely close before I even have a chance to shoot it. Which is cool and all, but they're the ones getting all the exp.  Meanwhile Ana never gets a chance to do anything. Matsuri's shots are weak and she dies to a stiff wind.

I'm considering dropping Matsuri as a Gunner and making her a Protector instead, and ditching Ana as a dancer for either a gunner or a medic. Because it seems things work pretty well having long range and support do work from behind while a melee fighter leads. Or something like that.
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Post by: Garlyle on April 09, 2015, 05:05:20 AM
As it stands, Paula and Kumatora absolutely thrash anything that comes even remotely close before I even have a chance to shoot it. Which is cool and all, but they're the ones getting all the exp.
Incorrect.  EXP is shared between the entire party.  It's worth noting though that there's different EXP curves for different classes, so they all level at different rates.

And yeah, Gunners explode when they're looked at, but you'll find before long that 'weak' stops being even remotely applicable.  Most importantly they generally shouldn't even get hit assuming they're not party lead.  Let your Dancer lead instead and watch the dynamic change drastically; they're surprisingly capable frontliners with Fan Dance, Guard Tango, and Regen Waltz.


My main adventure team is a Landsknecht, Ninja, Dancer, and Prince; They're backed up by a DOE assist team of a Protector, Medic, Runemaster, and Gunner.
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Post by: Molten on April 10, 2015, 08:20:13 PM
Wheeee, I've made it to the 5th stratum boss in EOIII and I feel like I'm about to get my ass handed to me because I fear my levels might be a bit too low. Especially considering that some certain packs of enemies manage to wreck my party if they even remotely intelligently. Guess I've just gotta grind some, or well, a lot.
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Post by: Ghaleon on April 12, 2015, 02:24:51 AM
completed the story in eou1, decided to start a new game with a custom party rather than do the post-game stuff. Question though, is it viable to have a party without a medic OR a protector? As in neither of the 2? Both are the kinds of classes I would have in like any game but I kinda want a party without any of the classes I had before... Highlander is freakish op though, for the Area5 (as in gladheim area 5) boss, I managed to take the boss down to 70% health left after 4 turns or whatever, which is when my highlander proceeded to take off the rest just by cross charge+delaycharge...I mean those two made up more dps than my entire party combined as soon as I got them but never took a boss down from 70% in one round like that before lol.
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Post by: Garlyle on April 12, 2015, 05:56:10 AM
Question though, is it viable to have a party without a medic OR a protector?
Yes, but it'll be difficult on Expert.

Medic has two possible replacements in EOU.  If you want to use items, a Survivalist has an ability that multiplies the effectiveness of items - and this is one of a rare handful of skills that stacks from Grimoires, meaning if you get it maxed and get it on a Grimoire also maxed, you get 4x item effectiveness.  However, this is reliant on getting items.  The other option is a Troubadour - they have a song that can restore HP passively each turn.  They also have Echoing Rondo, which causes a burst of healing if any individual party member gets healed - which syncs terrifyingly well once you have the effect that causes characters to recover a small amount of HP and TP on attack, and will completely supply your team's healing capabilities.  The only suffering for Troubadour is the lack of field healing, for which you'll need items.

Protector... there are alternatives.  You can opt to simply debuff your opponent instead with a Hexer; you can set up defensive buffs with Troubadour.  Landsknecht has some (some) defensive tools as well - and of course you can provide your defenses via things like ailments and binds instead.  Or just a Dark Hunter that poisons things and kills them before they get to do anything because whoops.

And of course there's Grimoire skills.  The really big ones Protector can offer - the spike elemental wards for certain bosses - are just straight up given to you on a Grimoire on 15F if I remember right.  And there are party defense buff skills you can get as well, so yeah.  Nothing as effective as straight up Front Guards or similar though, sadly.
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Post by: Ghaleon on April 12, 2015, 06:50:03 AM
sweet. I knew there were other skills that served the same purpose with other classes, but I wasn't at all sure that they were really capable of flat out replacing the need for a protector AND medic, but good to know, I think I saw that grimoire on my story mode game, but IIRC the ranks of the skills were just 3. I just assumed they had to be max ranked in order to be any use because I used ice shield on the 3rd boss, and I didn't see a reduction in its water spells in the slightest. I supposed it's possible because they were 'water' and not 'ice', but I sitll have my doubts about that.

I already started before your reply and it seems pretty much what you kinda suggest anyway, I figured it wouldn't be story mode so I could just recruit a different character if needed, but this time I'm going ronin, survivalist, trebedour, hexer, and dark hunter. I remember in the first eo, or maybe eo2.. ronin was comically op with some 3 hit mirabmameremberrrabmiramirmiramba or something like that, wonder if it's still good...If so, wonder if it's HALF as good as op highlander delay+cross spear =P.

May I ask where you find out information about the survivalist skill stacking though? I've looked at the EO wiki and its info on the game is really quite awful.
http://etrian.wikia.com/wiki/Survivalist... not only does it not even mention the skill (yes I looked at it under the EOU tab, not the EO tab), but it doesn't give you any hard %s and numbers for ANY of the skills! Which is the whole reason why I went to the wiki in the first place. blarg.

Then I goto gamefaqs, and there's only one faq there other than the maps, and it too makes no mention at all about that skill stacking with grimoires, and it too doesn't mention %s at all. Basically, if I had access to the info with #s and whanot I could have figured this out for myself, I appreciate your help all the same though.
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Post by: Garlyle on April 12, 2015, 09:15:46 AM
If I'm remembering right, the level 3 Anti-Elem skills are 60% element defense; the catch is that you have to use them on the same turn you get hit.  They're not lasting buffs.  There is no 'water' element.  Ideally you want them at 5+ because it at that point complete negates damage and also blocks side effects (the sleep on the 15F boss' tidal wave comes to mind) but it's all better than nothing.  5 is a major MP spike though; the next levels up to 9 reduce cost.  10 pumps it back up but causes the attack to heal the party.

Ronin's fairly good.  Not super amazing, but fairly good.  The OP members of that team are going to be Hexer and Dark Hunter; Hexer just because debuffing is great, but Dark Hunter in particular has huge potential damage output (Max Viper ASAP, and then Boost it and you get several hundred damage per turn and will trounce everything for the first two stratums; then later rest for Ecstasy builds instead).  A friend's done a playthrough of EOU that gets through the entire main game with a solo Dark Hunter on Expert.

The information I've got is largely from japanese wikis (that I'd have to go digging for the links to augh) and memory from craploads of game discussion.  The EO wiki is horrifically out of date - that's legit the EO1 skillset that it lists for Survivalists.
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Post by: Makedounia on April 12, 2015, 12:11:42 PM
The only suffering for Troubadour is the lack of field healing, for which you'll need items.
Troubadour can actually heal outside of battles as well. It's a skill called "restful tune" and it costs 1TP. I've used it on my current playthrough and it's a decent skill.
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Post by: Nat Tea on April 15, 2015, 06:26:57 AM
ETRIAN MYSTERY DUNGEON

It is fun. I am up to beginning of eight dungeon (this is post main story now) and I also finished the fun sidedungeon.
congrats if you finish any of these in this series of quests (http://a.pomf.se/wgyzer.JPG)

Here is my party after main game clear: Wanderer (http://a.pomf.se/ldqoua.JPG) / Gunner (http://a.pomf.se/tkofdh.JPG) / Medic (http://a.pomf.se/wgaoun.JPG) / Hexer (http://a.pomf.se/kqzqvr.JPG) = Guild Card (No QR Code) (http://a.pomf.se/rripls.JPG)

Wanderer bug: If you use Haste Self, get slowed down by a Red Pooka's Keep Up! to normal speed, use Haste Self while slowed down to return to double speed and have a medic use Treat on you, it will remove the slow but sometimes the game will assume your Wanderer doesn't have any buffs so you keep double speed for that entire floor.
Summary: Haste -> slowed down -> Haste -> Treat = Double Speed infinite duration for floor
Unfortunately due to EMD's AI, this absolutely destroys your party composition while playing as the Wanderer. You are warned.

There are some exciting things I want to talk about with postgame EMD, but I feel like as spoilers I want to keep them a surprise since they are definitely pretty silly. They do give the game the spice it needed in main story.
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Post by: Ghaleon on April 16, 2015, 04:08:53 AM
I'm hoping I can buy a used copy of eoMD for the cheap at my local gamestore in like a week... there were like 40 copies of persona Q within a month after its release =P
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Post by: Serela on April 16, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
Might be because PQ was, imo, awful. XD I can't even pick it back up after I got Impure Reach the game became excessively depressingly easy, with all online info confirming it'd stay depressingly easy (status nearly always hits, no building resistance for bosses/foes to fight back with, randoms all die instantly on turn 1 to instant death, regen the mp per fight to do it again forever, etc) the whole game. The gameplay was really shallow even before that, but that was too much.

The other thing is that this close to release date, I'm not sure if the used price would even be reduced more than several dollars.

If I'm remembering right, the level 3 Anti-Elem skills are 60% element defense; the catch is that you have to use them on the same turn you get hit.  They're not lasting buffs.  There is no 'water' element.  Ideally you want them at 5+ because it at that point complete negates damage and also blocks side effects (the sleep on the 15F boss' tidal wave comes to mind) but it's all better than nothing.
What you do is use the ele wall grimoire and just get the Good meal effect that increases grimoire levels by 2 (even if it says double or w/e, eou has way too many mistranslations or typos) so then they're lv5. You only really need to worry about this on a few big bosses, so it's not a huge deal; fighting one battle resets which recipes have Good, and just entering/leaving the dungeon fightless resets what the effect itself is iirc, so the farm is easy.

I did Classic Expert w/o protector or medic, you're fine for the main story. Postgame though... even with Troub+Hexer buffs and debuffs, you're going to have trouble with not getting lots of people one-shot from the boss's better attacks. If you want to get buy w/o a protector, you have to have someone using Cernunnos' King Grimoire skill instead to pretend to be a protector. That's highly effective, of course, so it's not a bad plan, but you might want to combo it with an Efficiency grimoire and amritas...
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Post by: theshirn on April 28, 2015, 04:14:06 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/80theda.jpg)

help me

(http://i.imgur.com/F23fTEL.jpg)

please kill me
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Post by: Garlyle on July 16, 2015, 07:56:01 PM
Etrian Odyssey Untold 2: The Fafnir Knight...'s demo is out!

You can class change after a certain point and take a look at all the new class trees. 
Hexers can now turn allies into suicide bombs and then ressurect them with necromancy.  Melee Alchemists are a skill tree.  Troubadours have TP Monarch March.
  And more!
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Post by: theshirn on July 17, 2015, 03:21:31 AM
A snail twoshots my party.

Etrian Odyssey, I love you.

Also after that last post, I not only beat EOU with five Survivalists, I also completed it with five Hexers.  end my suffering
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Post by: Serela on July 17, 2015, 04:49:14 AM
A lot of the skill names in EOU2 are really goofy. XD
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Post by: Garlyle on August 04, 2015, 10:24:31 PM
ETRIAN ODYSSEY UNTOLD 2: THE FAFNIR KNIGHT IS NOW OUT

MULTIPLE SAVE SLOTS

BETTER GRIMOIRE STONES SYSTEM

EXTRA DUNGEON IS NOW AVAILABLE IN STORY MODE PROPERLY
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Post by: theshirn on August 04, 2015, 11:20:19 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

around halfway through the 5th floor

it's so good to be back

and not doing a scc this time :derp:
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Post by: CF7 on August 06, 2018, 05:59:56 PM
I felt a really strong urge to necropost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NeoQFpmGzQ
P3P FeMC. :getdown:
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Post by: commandercool on August 06, 2018, 06:45:31 PM
As with Warioware Gold, bummed this is a 3DS game and not a Switch game. Looks great though, definitely definitely going to play regardless.
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Post by: Reddyne on August 06, 2018, 08:16:00 PM
Augh! Gimme time to catch up! I'm starting up EO:U again (again) and have EO4 on the back burner. Between Cross, this, and whatever the heck that other EO vid on Atlus's channel was about, there's a whole lot of this stuff going down recently.
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Post by: Suwako Moriya on August 15, 2018, 04:07:47 PM
https://twitter.com/AtlusUSA/status/1029721964406038532 (https://twitter.com/AtlusUSA/status/1029721964406038532)

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Post by: CF7 on August 16, 2018, 07:15:16 AM
That's very good news. I didn't expect English release that soon. And it includes EU as well, which is even better.
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Post by: CF7 on February 05, 2019, 07:42:42 PM
So... Nexus is out.
After sitting for like an hour at guild menu i decided to do something rather experimental.
Front: Hero, Troubadour Princess, Monk Pugilist.
Back: Zodiac, Arcanist.

Edit: Explored first floor of the first dungeon to the point "Let's go back and report stuff".
So far it's been more or less standard first floor of the first stratum with a twist, that you're given a healer that restores party's hp at the end of the battle. Heroic a.k.a. "Expert, but you can't change the difficulty" is fun. Like "enemies bringing you frontliners to the single digit hp with their attacks" fun.

Thoughts on classess i picked.
Hero is all around solid, their after images could potentially do some nasty damage, party heal (small), when using skills is kinda nice.
Princess is more or less what they were in EO 2. Buffs, heals, etc.
Pugilists have been hit with the nerf bat rather hard. Now they do relatively low damage. Thunder Fist is now a Master skill, which makes me sad sad sad...
Zodiac is doing rather good so far, but that's expected. Not sure how it will hold midgame and beyond, but i think i can make it work. I sure do miss the potential of Omnimancer Warlocks. That was the best mage in series hands down.
Arcanist. Well, it is on its way progressing from "almost completely useless" to "situationally not useless" to "really good" eventually.
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Post by: Reddyne on February 06, 2019, 12:56:00 PM
So... Nexus is out.
After sitting for like an hour at guild menu i decided to do something rather experimental.
Front: Hero, Troubadour Princess, Monk Pugilist.
Back: Zodiac, Arcanist.
This is actually really close to the party I was going to use! The harbinger I had in 5 was my MVP, so I was just going to have one aboard instead of an arcanist. Arcs were a pretty sweet team player in 4, though.

Man, I thought I had my games in order. Then RE2 came out and I was reminded that I shouldn't be such an SMT scrub. Once I wipe out SMT4 I'll be on board though.
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Post by: Suwako Moriya on February 06, 2019, 01:18:39 PM
Taoist Odyssey rides on for one last go-around! I was super boring and went Hero (Miko)/Protector (Yoshika)/Medic (Seiga)/Gunner(Futo...with a gun)/Zodiac (Tojiko).
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Post by: CF7 on February 06, 2019, 05:03:49 PM
So, first boss beaten. Hurray. Hero is too OP. You get aoe heal when using skills. After images use skills. That also procs aoe heal. I smell cheat.
Also i kinda dislike how they nerfed Arcanists. Circles now only do stuff at the end of a turn and not when circle is cast. They still have shit agility delay on them, so it's mostly a moot point, but eh. Also pugs are kinda weird. They have the highest HP totals, but paper defences.
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Post by: theshirn on February 06, 2019, 09:49:45 PM
ugh I have no money, dunno when I'm gonna get the chance to pick this up :(
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Post by: Serela on February 07, 2019, 02:39:15 AM
ugh I have no money, dunno when I'm gonna get the chance to pick this up :(
Yeah I've been out of work for awhile so same. I watched Krimmy play it in japanese tho' so I'm okay with being late to the game.

Kinda interested in using Harbinger. In EO5 they looked like far too much of a pain to use, but here in EOX (EON??) miasma armor is guaranteed autocast from lv1, plus they can get 5 tp regen every turn for really low SP investment at lv20. They actually look really convenient.

I really wanted to use Farmer but most of their skills (e.g. ailment success rates) are even worse than EO3, and subclassing
comes EXTREMELY late in this game.
. IIRC status infliction on attack skills for EOX is [attack stat]*2+LUC so farmer luck is unnecessary. They really look like dead weight until at least past lv40 apart from force breaking.

Also yeah, hero's passive healing is really good, and solo hero actually absolutely trashes most of the bosses as a result by making 4~5 mirages that turn into more mirages.

One thing I noticed is that -every- class carries at least one legitimately nuke-tier skill, including every support class. Even Sovereign looks like it can do comparable damage to zodiac if it really wanted to, just not on turn one. (Force puts it into zodiac's favor, but obviously Zodiac is meant exclusively for nuking)
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Post by: CF7 on February 09, 2019, 04:20:24 PM
Progress report.
I think i am close to clearing Primitive Jungle.
Rescued Shilleka and Leo

Giant's Ruins can go die in a fire. That gimmick was not fun. Well, i've cleared it up to the boss, but haven't attempted it yet since i it kinda looks scary, but who knows.
Finally reached level 20. So, Veteran Skills, yay.
My Arcanist can now do stuff other than Circle -> Guard or plinking some enemies with Volt Strike (Owl Staff +5). Mainly debuffs. That could have been achieved by bringing Harbinger, from the start, but front row is already crowded as is.
Junko, i mean, my Zodiac is actually doing rather good all things considered. She required some setup, but i am quite content so far.
Hero is OP.
Princess is OP too.
Pugilist got all skill points pumped into binds and status attack up for now.

Edit: Beaten
Wyvern. And Fenrir
I am sick to death of all the green now. Couldn't they have picked pretty much any other locations to be your first 5?
Edit 2. Just beat
Narm... er... i mean Wicked Silurus. Hearing remix of Hoist the Sword and Pride in the Heart was pretty hype
.
Edit 3. Also killed a
Kangaroo, so my Pug got a really nice weapon upgrade.
Edit 4: Finished 5th stratum.
And, yes, "stratum". It's 5 floors long with 5th floor being rather large with an added gimmick of the boss. Said gimmick is not that involved with the floor, but it's there. And huge turtle not resisting phys, having a bunch of statuses and adds was kinda surprising. It's not that you expect from a huge turtle.
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Post by: CF7 on February 27, 2019, 10:27:11 AM
So, reached the final maingame labyrinth in Nexus.
Bl?t the Hero and his army of clones
was kinda fun.
Also Hexer is in the game, but it's not playble
. Hooray.
At level 85 decided to have a rematch against
Lamia and snakes
and she's pretty unchanged from her EO V self.
So, classes.

Front.
Hero/Imperial doing hero's things. Plus hp up, elemental atk up and TP restore on hitting weakness from imp sub.
Sovereign/Medic mainly buffs, Negotiation, occasional cleanse/revive. Since i got
Lamia's conditional as well
thinking about subbing Survivalist just for that weapon's effect alone.
Pugilist/Harbinger does binds and not much else. Wish they haven't nerfed pug's damage this much. Considering how SP heavy pugs are, i pretty much subbed Harb just for a little bit extra of status attack up. Still, damage is okay, but even at level 87 it's still not fully online, so to speak.

Back
Zodiac/Shogun. Mostly happy with it. Shogun is here to boost Multi-strike Meteors for FOEs/Bosses. Does okay in randoms with Stars/Binaries/Ether Strike.
Arcanist/Harbinger. Status Circles, Eyes for debuffs, and miasma skills for little more debuffs, etc. Plus pretty much always active Miasma Armor, due to it having 50% chance of activating on Miasma skills and Eyes. It's amazing.

I have only 2,5 damage dealers, but the team has so much sustain, so it's not that big of a problem. Plus getting most conditionals has been relatively easy so far.

Edit: First encounter on B3 for me was an ambush by
a muskoid and those 2 black bunnies. Muskoid petrifies half the party on ambush turn and bunnies spam their electric attack. Muskoid then petrefies the rest of my team.
GAME OVER. Well, not really since
petrify is nerfed, but bunnies almost managed to kill everyone and i managed to flee with 1 character alive after petrify wore off.
FUN!
Edit: Beaten the final boss. It was so stupidly easy, i am not qutie sure where to even start. Oh, right. Weak to everything, Let's drop a Bunch of Meteors on its stupid head followed by Regiment Rave. Repeat a few times.
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Post by: commandercool on June 09, 2019, 11:51:41 PM
Picked up my copy of Persona Q2 yesterday. I had a hard time finding it, very few stores are stocking it and the ones that are only got a couple of copies. This feels like a recipe for a game that's going to triple in price in the next few years. It's the last game on a Nintendo console, it has a low print run, and it's that perfect mix of a popular series and a relatively unpopular release. Feels like a Fire Emblem Path of Radiance sort of situation to me, if I see a second copy in the wild in a few weeks I may pick it up and keep it sealed.
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Post by: CF7 on June 10, 2019, 09:29:59 AM
I got it from e-shop, since finding it in my country is next to impossible.
Boss of the first movie on Hard is one of the more frustrating things i've encountered in a video game.
Currenlty near the end of the second movie. It's really fun, but i am not sure if this is Hard difficulty problem, but it feels like the only reliable damage source you have is AoA.
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Post by: commandercool on June 15, 2019, 05:24:10 PM
It took me a while to slog my way through the super boring opening hour, but now that I'm actually playing the game it's pretty fun. Hard mode does feel very hard, regular enemies can cleanly kill any of my party members in two hits, but I'm not too far in so I haven't picked up any extra secondary personas or anything yet.
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Post by: commandercool on June 17, 2019, 02:32:36 AM
Dear lord you're not kidding about the first boss. It feels like you have no breathing room at all in that fight, which means you're pretty much required to have figured out all of his weaknesses and mechanics in advance of several doomed fights, and even then one unlucky turn of sleep or weird turn order means you lose. I'm not even really sure how I beat him, I just got him stunlocked which I didn't think was something that could happen in this battle system. And unless I missed it there's no visual indication or dialog cue that he gains a weakness at some point, I just got lucky and happened to hit it. Bad fight, not fun. But I keep hearing the second dungeon is great, so I'm definitely looking forward to that.
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Post by: CF7 on June 17, 2019, 08:18:37 AM
Dear lord you're not kidding about the first boss. It feels like you have no breathing room at all in that fight, which means you're pretty much required to have figured out all of his weaknesses and mechanics in advance of several doomed fights, and even then one unlucky turn of sleep or weird turn order means you lose. I'm not even really sure how I beat him, I just got him stunlocked which I didn't think was something that could happen in this battle system. And unless I missed it there's no visual indication or dialog cue that he gains a weakness at some point, I just got lucky and happened to hit it. Bad fight, not fun. But I keep hearing the second dungeon is great, so I'm definitely looking forward to that.
There's no indication that the boss gains a weakness, but when i fought himб he instantly used elemental Wall that negates it for 3 turns, after being hit with it once.
Second dungeon is pretty fun, + you get P4 crew relatively early there as well. Second boss has one rather obvious weakness considering the type of a boss he is. Then there's one rather not obvious thing, but they tell you repeatedly what to do.
I really enjoyed third movie and the boss was frustrating doing blind, since it's rather resource intense fight.
Currenlty in the fourth movie and it's kinda unsettling in a weird way, but that's because [REDACTED].
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Post by: commandercool on June 17, 2019, 11:05:22 AM
There's no indication that the boss gains a weakness, but when i fought himб he instantly used elemental Wall that negates it for 3 turns, after being hit with it once.

Ha ha what he didn't do that at all for me. That's dumb. What level were you? My guys were all level 12 except Minako who was 11, and I feel like I definitely would have lost if I hadn't been able to seriously abuse that weakness.

Did you destroy both of his arms? I just got rid of one of them. I had just completely run out of MP by the end and was coasting on boost chains, and it only worked because he never got a chance to attack.
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Post by: CF7 on June 17, 2019, 11:19:49 AM
I fought him at level 13 so Morgana would learn Media.
I did the fight "fair" so to speak. Once you break both carrots he switches phases, gains 2 attacks per turn (one of them is something like 200+ damage to a single target), gains weakness to fire and use Fire Wall as a counter to hitting him with any weakness (he also uses Fire Wall if you land a crit on him).
The sorta cheese strat is to break one carrot, poison him (from what i understand he's programmed to switch phases at a certain %), That bugs him out, and that's what happened to you i guess.
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Post by: commandercool on June 17, 2019, 12:30:06 PM
Oh weird. Yeah I did that totally by accident. I don't think I would have had enough MP to break both arms first if I wanted to, much less finish him off after. Especially if his weakness goes away immediately. Maybe if I had more Revival Beads, is there a reliable way to get more of those before the fight?

Also, compared to the first game a couple of things feel nerfed. Lucky Punch feels much weaker, I don't know how it works exactly but it feels like the hit chance drastically drops against stronger enemies. And support actions feel like they charge much much slower.

I'm assuming this is one of those RPGs where the first stretch is the hardest because you have no items and no options, but it gets easier the more stuff you have access to. Not really an ideal difficulty curve, but not uncommon in Japanese games.
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Post by: CF7 on June 17, 2019, 01:03:44 PM
Theo sells Gutsy Fries from the beginning. It's only 10% revive, but they are unlimited and rather cheap. IIRC you get Immortal Chicken - 30% revive in 2nd movie and finaly get access to Revival Bead 50% in the 3rd.

Lucky Punch is pretty inaccurate, so i didn't really bother with it.

The first movie is pretty much the hardest part of the game. Your choices of party members are very limited, you can't fuse anything strong yet. Blank Cards are not accessible yet, etc.
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Post by: commandercool on June 17, 2019, 02:53:39 PM
The fries seemed like a losing strategy, at least if someone on the front row went down. That carrot gun attack kept immediately re-killing them. I guess I should have brought two Line Guard users.

I found Lucky Punch to be super valuable throughout all of the original Persona Q but it definitely feels very niche now.
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Post by: MewMewHeart on June 19, 2019, 03:36:11 PM
The fries seemed like a losing strategy, at least if someone on the front row went down. That carrot gun attack kept immediately re-killing them. I guess I should have brought two Line Guard users.
I sorta had that same problem with the first movie boss although I did get lucky that he aimed at Ryuji who had enough hp to grant me time to get Hamuko, Morgana, and Ann up.... it was annoying, but once I had enough time to boost my defenses and have Morgana to heal, he went down easily. My party was relatively close to level 20 too which made things bonkers. 
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Post by: commandercool on June 19, 2019, 06:14:28 PM
Wuuuut how did you get them that high level? It seemed like an impossible slog to get them from 12 to 13. Am I overlooking a mechanic for leveling characters aside from grinding?
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Post by: CF7 on June 19, 2019, 08:44:37 PM
Wuuuut how did you get them that high level? It seemed like an impossible slog to get them from 12 to 13. Am I overlooking a mechanic for leveling characters aside from grinding?
Well, if there's such thing i am not aware of it. In the 2nd movie you unlock Sacrifice Fusion and you can use it on main personas, but that's more or less it. Or there's an EXP dlc, i guess.
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Post by: CF7 on June 27, 2019, 02:18:02 PM
I finally found out what the FOE drops are for.
They are used for a set of equipment (i ssume this is an Ultimate equipment set, but they cost only slightly more than the item just a tier below) you unlock in the final labyrinth.