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First Thread (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16676.0.html)
We need a friend code list or something here. Nintendo Network IDs maybe.
Point is, 3DS Version is old news out, and WiiU version is the only version also out. Unless you're in Europe. In which case you have my condolences.
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NNID: Meiling
3DS FC: 4425-1491-5645
Also reposting stage list because it's pretty
(http://i.imgur.com/pgVWmvJ.jpg)
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Man, that's a lot of nerd rage red. Makes me glad I don't Smash competitively. <_<
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The Japanese stage list is worse.
It's pretty much just FD, Battlefield, and Smashville, which is probably why we got a literal no items fox only final destination mode. :V
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Competitive Smash pisses me off. Like yeah, let's strip the game of all its features and everything that makes it fun. Ban a ton of stages. Ban items. Ban characters.
It'd be a lot more fun playing the game as it was meant to be played and I just cannot see the appeal. If you want something so strict go play Street Fighter or something.
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The Japanese stage list is worse.
It's pretty much just FD, Battlefield, and Smashville, which is probably why we got a literal no items fox only final destination mode. :V
The thing that confuses me the most about that meme was that until relatively recently Sheik was the one on top of melee tier list. I guess fox is more fun.
Competitive Smash pisses me off. Like yeah, let's strip the game of all its features and everything that makes it fun. Ban a ton of stages. Ban items. Ban characters.
It'd be a lot more fun playing the game as it was meant to be played and I just cannot see the appeal. If you want something so strict go play Street Fighter or something.
The only reason they do that is because if they don't a lot of dumb stuff happens, like random infinites and things like that. Given the power items have, especially since some guys are balanced around being all melee, it can tilt stuff. It is a way the game was meant to be played, that's why we got the optoin turn all that stuff off. Some people find it more fun this way, where everything that happens was due to a choice someone made and not random chance.
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As someone who plays street fighter competitively and who plays smash for fun I can see why people like a competitive smash scene. Can I explain it? No. I just love the rush I get from playing competitively, but I feel smash just has to many things to think about for me to get real into it. Yes during tournaments stage hazards are @#$%ing cheap! Especially when all your lives get taken by them and people rag on you for sucking, that was an aweful day.
I'm getting off topic but what I should be saying is its good to know what stages and characters are close to the rest of fighting games, imagine street fighter stages having a stage hazard, I'd lost my mind over that. (Where was I going with all this again?)
NNID: Colticide
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I've always thought of Smash as more like a party game, not a fighting game. Kind of excited to try out that Mario Party mode when we get it in the mail (hopefully tomorrow?).
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The thing that confuses me the most about that meme was that until relatively recently Sheik was the one on top of melee tier list. I guess fox is more fun.
If by relatively recently you mean like 8 years ago :V :V
Competitive Smash pisses me off. Like yeah, let's strip the game of all its features and everything that makes it fun. Ban a ton of stages. Ban items. Ban characters.
It'd be a lot more fun playing the game as it was meant to be played and I just cannot see the appeal. If you want something so strict go play Street Fighter or something.
Essentially you can think of competitive smash as an entirely different game. Without random stuff it's pretty much a competitive fighter like Street Fighter but with it's own set of mechanics which don't exist in any other fighting game.
That said the community became completely insufferable once Brawl came out and everyone became butthurt one way or another. And it's happening again with Smash 4 so I'm mostly following things for old times sake but I don't actually give a fuck about the scene anymore :V
I've always thought of Smash as more like a party game, not a fighting game. Kind of excited to try out that Mario Party mode when we get it in the mail (hopefully tomorrow?).
I hear Mario Party mode kinda sucks compared to actual Mario Party
8 player smash is where it's at BV
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I've always thought of Smash as more like a party game, not a fighting game. Kind of excited to try out that Mario Party mode when we get it in the mail (hopefully tomorrow?).
Smash tour felt weird to me, I had trouble controlling my mii on the map... Oh and I've only tried it once but that's cause my game glitched, everyone "died" on the last match except for two and it said the match was over, but the two computer kept fighting in slow mo after the announcer and everyone ended up on the bottom of the stage unable to die. Kinda had to restart.
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If by relatively recently you mean like 8 years ago :V :V
Well, yeah it was a while ago, but I could have sworn the fox only thing happened before that.
That said the community became completely insufferable once Brawl came out and everyone became butthurt one way or another. And it's happening again with Smash 4 so I'm mostly following things for old times sake but I don't actually give a fuck about the scene anymore :V
I hear Mario Party mode kinda sucks compared to actual Mario Party
I remember the melee vs. Brawl stuff. I don't remember it being that bad though, then again, I was 11 or 12 at the time.
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Basically when Brawl came out Melee players got super mad that Sakurai purposely redesigned the game to be more like a party game with the removal of advanced techniques, simplification of physics, and the addition of tripping. It also split the community pretty hard, with some people willing to move on to give the new game a chance while others stuck to Melee. However some people weren't happy with Brawl taking any of Melee's spotlight so they purposely would troll Brawl tournaments and the overall smash scene kinda self destructed. Then Melee made a comeback in the last few years with the release of Project M and the Smash Documentary, but now that Smash 4 is out things are starting to go to shit again.
Meanwhile the entire time Smash 64 players gave no fucks :V
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I have to wait until christmas because I don't have any money. Still, better than not getting it at all.
I still have the ability to brush up on my Marth in the 3DS version, though, and I'm trying to see how obnoxious I can make my Marth play.
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NNID: drakeirving
3DS FC: 0473-8899-0104
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Basically when Brawl came out Melee players got super mad that Sakurai purposely redesigned the game to be more like a party game with the removal of advanced techniques, simplification of physics, and the addition of tripping. It also split the community pretty hard, with some people willing to move on to give the new game a chance while others stuck to Melee. However some people weren't happy with Brawl taking any of Melee's spotlight so they purposely would troll Brawl tournaments and the overall smash scene kinda self destructed. Then Melee made a comeback in the last few years with the release of Project M and the Smash Documentary, but now that Smash 4 is out things are starting to go to shit again.
Meanwhile the entire time Smash 64 players gave no fucks :V
Yeah, the whole term "tourneyfag" derived from that iirc. It's kinda why I don't take the competitive community as seriously as others.
Anyways, putting my info:
NNID: Gpop or TheGpop, I forgot lol
I don't have anything unlocked in my account atm because I was playing with my sis more on her account. Also don't expect me to try to get a lot of custom moves because I honestly don't care too much about em atm. :V
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I think unlocks are actually not account based for Smash 4 :V
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No ID info yet since I don't have either version or either system it runs on lol, but I do want to look into online play for the Wii U down the road. Even from what I've seen of the Wii U version so far, holy crap am I hyped up. I seriously want to try so many characters now, especially with their new custom moves. And there's the requisite metric crapton of modes and things to unlock to keep me busy. :V
I remember the melee vs. Brawl stuff. I don't remember it being that bad though, then again, I was 11 or 12 at the time.
The fact that it's still around after 6 years and is now creeping its way into the Smash 4 scene should answer your question.
I haven't been involved with the competitive scene since like 2009, so I can't say that I have a totally accurate read on the pulse of the community. I know that there are still people who will decry anything that's not Melee or even Project M (then again, every community is gonna have its toxic people), but I still get the impression the effect is less now compared to the original Melee vs. Brawl debate. I'm seeing a lot more people who like Smash 4 speak out about how much they like it. But as far as I'm concerned, if people can't accept that Brawl and Smash 4 should be judged by their own merits, that's their fault, not anyone else's.
Competitive Smash pisses me off. Like yeah, let's strip the game of all its features and everything that makes it fun. Ban a ton of stages. Ban items. Ban characters.
It'd be a lot more fun playing the game as it was meant to be played and I just cannot see the appeal. If you want something so strict go play Street Fighter or something.
"Fun" is subjective. Probably best if I leave it at that.
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Competitive Smash pisses me off. Like yeah, let's strip the game of all its features and everything that makes it fun. Ban a ton of stages. Ban items. Ban characters.
It'd be a lot more fun playing the game as it was meant to be played and I just cannot see the appeal. If you want something so strict go play Street Fighter or something.
As Funen said, fun is subjective. Competitive smash is not strict. That's Melee, and even then Melee is very relaxed for a competitive fighting game with a large following.
If I were to play Brawl for "fun" and not ban shit, I'd have a metric assload of random factors contending to whether I win or lose. Kat-Ana pretty much guarantees a lost stock, same with Latios/Latias. Also, let's not forget about the fact that Meta Knight is overpowered as shit. Marth is hilarious in Melee and Brawl, but he doesn't hold a candle to Meta Knight's speed, hitboxes, launch ability, etc.
The problem is that with competitive games you have people trying to win and therefore make the game less chaotic and fun. I would rather have a game where people not all use the same character. I would rather have a game where winning is based on skill and not "oh hey my Metagross that I got by random chance kept demolishing you kek" or "thanks for the extra five points, Gust Bellows :B" or some other shit.
I play to win but I still have fun trying to win. Plus, you have to admit that it's really satisfying to have a method of sending people across the screen faster than mashing buttons and hoping you use the right move. :)
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You know, items are actually fun when you aren't trying to tryhard everything and just want plain ol' chaotic and casual fun. Brawl is actually fun when you do it that way.
Because of that I love the stages like the WarioWare stages. Playing minigames while brawling is hilarious and pretty creative.
If I wanted to play a game to win I'd rather stick to games like Under Night In-Birth or Street Fighter 4 (despite how hilarious some of the glitches are in that game atm). I enjoy the chaotic side to Brawl, which is why I absolutely love 8-man Smash.
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meanwhile i just troll every fighting game :V
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Wow so I started to train my amiibo Marth personally and he's at lvl 10 and getting really close to being above my level. These thing are great for training yourself cause I feel like I'm playing against myself who just keeps getting better, sure is making me get use to the gamepad though lol.
So are you able to do 8 player smash online at all?
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Nope no 8 player online
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I personally prefer playing without items. 8 player smash already has a tonne of insanity, and adding on to that with items just makes everything a little too insane. Not to mention trying to complete the game's challenges has made me despise items, after all the Classic Mode nonsense. I'm also the type of guy who used to unwind playing League of Legends, so feel free to take my opinion with a grain of salt. :V
NNID is NathanielVarner, I think. Either that or NateVarner. Either way, I don't have internet on my WiiU regularly, so whatevs. Friend code on 3DS is 2449-4726-9834, though.
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I'm also the type of guy who used to unwind playing League of Legends, so feel free to take my opinion with a grain of salt. :V
League of Legends
salt
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I like this post
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Competitive Smash pisses me off. Like yeah, let's strip the game of all its features and everything that makes it fun. Ban a ton of stages. Ban items. Ban characters.
It'd be a lot more fun playing the game as it was meant to be played and I just cannot see the appeal. If you want something so strict go play Street Fighter or something.
Since I'm a bit into the competitive side of smash, let me offer you my perspective.
First of all, it's not that I want to play a competitive fighting game, it's that I want to play smash competitively. I suppose I shouldn't have to explain, but there's a thrill to knowing that you're mastering a certain craft, whether that be in gaming or in some other field. You want to test your knowledge and skills with others. I like smash a lot, so I want to play better at it. This entails playing with people better than you so you yourself can learn, practice, and further hone your playing skills. This is more or less the entire point of the competitive scene, at least for me.
It's still playing, it's not a boring strict thing that I'm enjoying. I'm having fun in the same way, just with a different mindset. Obviously, if people gather at a party just to play for casual fun it would be boring to turn off items, have a time limit, and restrict stages. That's why no one does that at a party scene: these features are all fun, that's why we keep them in.
With a competitive mindset, you seek to hone your mastery of the game. In the case of fighting games like this, the character you play as. You pit these skills you've accumulated against the skills of whoever you're playing against. This is a battle of skill and mastery: whoever has more is and should be the victor. It's where this 'should' comes into play that we have to start thinking of situations that would deny the 'should'. There's always the case where the one with the more skill/mastery loses anyway because that's just how the match worked out due to misses, slips, accidents, luck, misreads, outplays, etc. And then there are the cases where the victory didn't go to the one with greater skill/mastery because of a chance element, mainly due to the whims of the RNG goddesses. Here is where you have to start drawing the line and try to remove factors that can arbitrarily tip the match to someone's favor. The most important part being 'arbitrary' part, a chance element. This is especially the case when the arbitrary factor tips the match regardless of the skills of the competing players: a starman spawns on top of the winning player; a bob-omb spawns in front of the forward smash that would have killed the other player; both players get a pokeball, one gets a goldeen and the other gets a lati@s; ships randomly start shooting at you in Corneria; etc etc etc. The chance factors impede the comparison of the opposing skills, thus we consider it and then take it out. This is what you mean by strict, but don't think of it like that. It's just weeding out elements of unfairness. It would be entirely unfair to the loser in a situation like this if he lost through no fault of his own. That's what the rules try to prevent.
I think the competitive smash community is rather well known for being quite bitter and needlessly toxic, but like any other absolutely disagreeable people, just ignore those. I have fun playing like this, and so do those playing with me. I also have a lot of fun playing without the tournament rules with other friends. I'm pretty sure the original Metroids weren't supposed to be sequence broken and speed run, but there are some that have fun doing that and the others that have fun playing it 'the way it was meant to be played'. I'm sure the same applies for Nuzlocke runs on Pokemon. The way a game was 'meant to be played' never has and never should dictate the way a person should have fun playing the game.
(The assholes that pompously declare their way of playing superior? Fuck them, ignore them, move on. Fortunately, this forum is devoid of those.)
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Someone's copy of Smash is ten kinds of fucked up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhgUm-DG5OY)
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The way a game was 'meant to be played' never has and never should dictate the way a person should have fun playing the game.
Thank you for this. I have the same kind of feelings towards Smash.
Competitive Smash may restrict things a bit with stages and items, but it is in no way less fun than a standard Smash, it's just different. It's a whole different experience that is definitely not targeted at the same people, with different feelings and ways to play. Fooling around with my friends is fun, I get it, I love playing with my friends like that, but I also love the thrill of a match where only the skill of players count towards the victory.
I get a lot of "If you want to play competitive and if you want to play to win, just go play Street Fighter". Why? Why the heck would I play Street Fighter for a different reason I am playing Smash? I play all fighting games with the same mindset. Sometimes for fun, sometimes for the win. Even in "dedicated" fighting games it's possible to play the same way you play Smash "normally". I remember playing BlazBlue with some friends where we decided to only use Unlimited characters, or another time in Street Fighter IV were only Dragon Punches were allowed (god, that was a stupid idea).
Smash allow for this kind of customization even further with items, modes, 8-players and even more stuff. Nintendo allowed for a level of customization that no other fighting game reached. If you can customize it to be chaotic and explosive, there is certainly a way to customize it to be fair for players to enjoy competitively, because if it wasn't enjoyable, there wouldn't be people playing like that.
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Someone's copy of Smash is ten kinds of fucked up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhgUm-DG5OY)
Oh god king dedede! What happened to your face?!
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Someone's copy of Smash is ten kinds of fucked up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhgUm-DG5OY)
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
OH GOD THERE'S MORE
(http://i.imgur.com/Wy3nBsE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OhTIPND.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gGRUVAP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pBK0BN3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uxnkDC8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zzGm8DH.jpg)
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Someone's copy of Smash is ten kinds of fucked up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhgUm-DG5OY)
And I thought Pikaman was horrible.
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I just noticed Fox's head is gone!
OH GOD THERE'S MORE
(http://i.imgur.com/Wy3nBsE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OhTIPND.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gGRUVAP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pBK0BN3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uxnkDC8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zzGm8DH.jpg)
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?! Oh this just made my day.
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Someone's copy of Smash is ten kinds of fucked up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhgUm-DG5OY)
oh god I didn't know there was a video
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
OH GOD THERE'S MORE
(http://i.imgur.com/Wy3nBsE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OhTIPND.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gGRUVAP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pBK0BN3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uxnkDC8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zzGm8DH.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/d3KPR.png)
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JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
OH GOD THERE'S MORE
(http://i.imgur.com/Wy3nBsE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OhTIPND.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gGRUVAP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pBK0BN3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uxnkDC8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zzGm8DH.jpg)
Man, all I can think of when I see this is just Yoshi's face going ":V".
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Someone found the secret Longichu code :V
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Wow so I started to train my amiibo Marth personally and he's at lvl 10 and getting really close to being above my level. These thing are great for training yourself cause I feel like I'm playing against myself who just keeps getting better, sure is making me get use to the gamepad though lol.
That does it, I'm definitely getting at least one Amiibo! What's $13 for this kind of awesome? A small price I say!
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Speaking of amiibos (https://twitter.com/_daze/status/536762446187212800)
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It's like (or going to be like) Deep Blue all over again! Now I can imagine an Amiibo trained by a team of pros and competing against each other. It's almost like...REAL LIVE POKEMON! xD Oh wait, that was the intended purpose of them all along though, yea?
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Amiibos cheat though by having higher stats than normal :V
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Amiibos cheat though by having higher stats than normal :V
Isn't that only if you put equipment on them?
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Nope even with no equipment they get increased damage as they level up
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Nope even with no equipment they get increased damage as they level up
Yup. And even if you do 'No Customs', they still maintain the stat boosts.
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Was that found in the game data? I hadnt heard about that.
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Was that found in the game data? I hadnt heard about that.
I would imagine that when Marth's forward smash suddenly starts knocking you into 70-100%s much more easily than normal, you'd notice. The game's been out on the 3DS long enough that people can read/have memorized damage values of attacks.
Speaking of Amiibos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3N01lm6P8)
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Also apparently if you break 7 digits you break the game and get a GSP of 0 :3
MYTH
(http://puu.sh/d4XPd.png)
BUSTED
...much to my dismay. I really wanted to see my GSP break. ;_;
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It's possible that was fixed in the last update :V
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It's possible that was fixed in the last update :V
NO IT ISN'T OK
well maybe
;_;
speaking of things that the update didn't fix, I like how Palutena still has lightweight cooldown skipping and super speed storage
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Now that I have characters and stages unlocked, it's time to share my NNID :toot:
NNID: KuzunohaXIV
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Okay, got the game and unlocked all stages and characters in a few hours. The newcomers are fun to play, I love Duck Hunt Duo.
But man... This really is Brawl 2.0. :toot:
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Okay, got the game and unlocked all stages and characters in a few hours. The newcomers are fun to play, I love Duck Hunt Duo.
But man... This really is Brawl 2.0. :toot:
Huh... Maybe I should play myself more, I usually let my amiibos duke it out and I just collect everything they give me.
Edit:Also brawl 2.0? I can see it but not fully sure what you mean.
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I meant gameplay-wise.
I didn't have much time to try it out on 3DS since I didn't own the game, but now, I had time to screw around. It feels like a better Brawl with more characters, which is exactly what I was hoping for, so it's all good actually.
I did wish for a little bit less floatiness, but eh, whatever, I like the game.
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Oh OK! It may seem silly but I love the addition of using different variants of your specials. For example I prefer link to have his up b 3 since I only ever use it to recover and not attack.
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(http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu263/PatorikkuDoiru/th_HNI_0003_zps225500c1.jpg) (http://s654.photobucket.com/user/PatorikkuDoiru/media/HNI_0003_zps225500c1.jpg.html)
I love the stage editor.
Also, Schezo was right; maining Shulk is my destiny. My god, that nair is too awesome to ignore.
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(http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu263/PatorikkuDoiru/th_HNI_0003_zps225500c1.jpg) (http://s654.photobucket.com/user/PatorikkuDoiru/media/HNI_0003_zps225500c1.jpg.html)
I love the stage editor.
Also, Schezo was right; maining Shulk is my destiny. My god, that nair is too awesome to ignore.
Lol perfect stage! I just tried shulk today, I gotta say he feels great to use! Like really good!
Edit: also just got my Lucina! Yeah baby!
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nintendo pls nerf diddy already
im tired of dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair dthrow uair
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Ahh what? Ive yet to use diddy so not sure what your talking about
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Basically Diddy can just spam grab, throw you downwards, and then jump and kick you, over and over and over. It's extremely effective to the point where he's pretty obviously the best (and most annoying) character in the game.
Also those monkey sounds really get to you after a while...
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Re: Diddy: https://www.youtube.com/user/VideoGameBootCamp/videos
Just watch the KTAR fights with Diddy. You'll understand real quick.
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I love how the concentration of Diddy increases as you go up until eventually it hits the peak with diddy vs diddy
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Okay so basically vectoring actually still exists. They literally just removed the ability to vector up and down so that moves will kill earlier. However the side effect is that you can't vector Diddy's dthrow which is why it's so strong now.
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I'm still trying to fully understand what's up with it. Vectoring seems completely unchanged on horizontal knockbacks compared to pre-1.0.4 but vertical knockbacks don't let you influence it up or down. Seems to me that Sakurai wanted to remove the jank from vertical launches (dying at 70% from Robin wind jab as Dedede while trying to SDI up and out of it????), but I'm not sure at what angle the game draws the line and says "Okay, you can vertically influence this again."
Speaking of Diddy how 'bout that Mr.E Marth player JV 3stocking m2k's Diddy in tournament last night BV
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Time for Metaknight to climb back up the tiers (http://www.gfycat.com/ThoughtfulEnormousAlbertosaurus) (that's a true combo btw)
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Time for Metaknight to climb back up the tiers (http://www.gfycat.com/ThoughtfulEnormousAlbertosaurus) (that's a true combo btw)
Holy hell death at 19%??
Metaknight wants his tier back
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I've noticed when playing with a friend that meta knights up b must have some good knock back on it. The same thing happens to me as in that video.
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Looks like Japan's got a new tier list.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10444340_10104003163699885_9100880148125719475_n.jpg?oh=76bcdda9cbd9187b9d0bda5cf957a3b9&oe=54FB298F&__gda__=1428004842_255a7c177fba9bceda29b6594acd0826)
Aside from Shulk in middle of D being completely absurd, everything else about this just gives me that feeling of "Almost, but not quite." Upper C having Falcon, Pac-Man, Luigi, Mii Gunner, Pikachu, Dedede, and Greninja all lumped together particularly strikes me as odd.
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Marth and Lucina are both E? Wasnt marth higher in past games? He feels the same from before.
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Looks like Japan's got a new tier list.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10444340_10104003163699885_9100880148125719475_n.jpg?oh=76bcdda9cbd9187b9d0bda5cf957a3b9&oe=54FB298F&__gda__=1428004842_255a7c177fba9bceda29b6594acd0826)
> Shulk at D rank, Zelda at E+, Marth and Lucina at E
SACRILEGE!
But I'm totally okay with Villager, Ness and Pit.
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Looks like Japan's got a new tier list.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10444340_10104003163699885_9100880148125719475_n.jpg?oh=76bcdda9cbd9187b9d0bda5cf957a3b9&oe=54FB298F&__gda__=1428004842_255a7c177fba9bceda29b6594acd0826)
Aside from Shulk in middle of D being completely absurd, everything else about this just gives me that feeling of "Almost, but not quite." Upper C having Falcon, Pac-Man, Luigi, Mii Gunner, Pikachu, Dedede, and Greninja all lumped together particularly strikes me as odd.
>Diddy is rank S
>Marth is rank E
>Zelda is rank E+
>Shiek is rank D
This has to be a troll list. I know that Marth isn't as good as he was in Project M, Melee, and Brawl, but surely he's better than "absolute shit tier"
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Smash Wii U still isn't out yet in Japan so they're still stuck with the 3DS version where Marth and co suck, although I supposed they do have the new 3DS with the C-nub.
Top tiers are pretty obvious. Diddy is pretty obviously S tier where the S stands for Sakurai is gonna nerf me hard soon. Sheik is still damn good. Yoshi, ZSS, Lucario, Sanic, Fox are still good on account of not really being nerfed. Mii Brawler has a bunch of silly kill combos with his up Bs.
Interesting to see Japan isn't sleeping on Villager. That character is definitely a threat when played correctly.
Wow Rosa fell hard, and Greninja fell even harder, but they still aren't bad so it's fine.
Wow Luigi shot up from the very bottom of the list. I know he was too low before but his recovery is still kinda terrible unless you can mash B extremely hard.
Dedede is still that high even after his nerfs? Eithere Japanese Dededes never used gordo anyways, or no one knows how to reflect them lol.
I know Pit is objectively better than Dark pit especially after the vectoring change, but it's still weird to have that big of a gap between them. Their fundamentals are still the same, you just have 3 moves that are a bit 'worse' (still Nario pls stop playing him play pit instead).
Shulk seems kinda low even after all of his buffs, but that's probably because he still has pretty garbage matchups vs the top tiers. Same goes for Ike. Also they're definitely way better on the Wii U. Pretty much all sword characters who need to properly space are.
Robin is way too low. While Zelda still seems kinda bad even with Nario's best efforts, Robin definitely has a really strong toolset. I mean he's one of the few characters that can pierce shields from the air with his down b.
I'm surprised Ganondorf still bottom after Gungnir has been tearing things up. Ganon only has to land like 4 hits to kill anyone. He's way too strong to be bottom. I mean I guess it's cause he feels like your using a punching bag if you aren't good with him, but it's not really fair to assess a character if you aren't using them properly.
Well I suppose almost everyone in the bottom tier can wreck face but has some fundamental problems. I know Wii Fit, Link, Zelda, Dr. Mario, and Samus definitely feel this way (most of them have awkward normals and terrible recoveries) , but the others feel like they just have 3DS syndrome. Maybe it's just because Diddy kong eats them all for breakfast :V
lel mii swordsman no one likes you
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I think Shulk's just low in Japan because literally nobody's playing him. Trela's been opening eyes in the west.
Several top JP players like Rain and Nietono dropped Rosalina and Greninja altogether after the nerfs, so I guess it isn't surprising that they fell as much as they did without any skilled players representing them. I still feel like Rosalina's top 5 if not top 10 personally but I can still see those ranks as reasonable.
In a no customs environment Luigi just seems generally better than Mario to me, slower movement and lack of Cape aside. He gets so much more damage per hit and has a much more rewarding combo game. And even without godlike mashing skills, a better recovery.
My best guess as to Dedede still being considered as high as he is is because he has neutral to positive matchups against certain perceived high tiers that have been giving him generally better tournament results. Diddy DESTROYS him, but I feel like he does well against Sheik, Rosalina, Mii Brawler, and Wario. I'm personally of the mind that Dedede's bottom 5 though and have been working on MK/Greninja/Luigi since 1.0.4 hit.
Nosferatu as air-to-shield is kind of questionable. I guess a command grab is a command grab and its reward on hit is terrific, but it has an ungodly 17f startup. Robin's another character with no tourney representation in the east, so I'll assume the same fate as Shulk is responsible for her rank.
Marth I would've believed if I hadn't seen Mr.E JV 3 stock M2K among other things. Watching him in tournament completely dispelled any doubts I had about Marth.
so uh
I tried out mii brawler in training a bit
how are people sleeping this hard on this character (http://gfycat.com/BogusPleasingDuckbillplatypus)
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Like I said silly upB combos :V
Although those combos are only possible if you have the right size which would be a problem if people force Miis to only be default size
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I actually tried mii brawler myself yesterday and dear god! Fast, combo specials and decent KO potential (??? Just has a lot of knockback).
Also tried diddy and can't do that combo but noticed how deadly his air up A is, its like metaknights up B.
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Clone character, meet clone sword. (http://gfycat.com/HarmoniousFluffyFishingcat)
Like I said silly upB combos :V
Although those combos are only possible if you have the right size which would be a problem if people force Miis to only be default size
Yeah Miis will definitely be a lot less amazing if restricted to average size.
I think maybe since the general consensus for Mii sizes seems to be either short/thin or short/fat that there shouldn't be too much of an issue, but with all the bias people seem to have against Miis it wouldn't surprise me to see them restricted to default size, and 1111 moveset in no custom rulesets.
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There's a little local tourney in 3 hours that I'll be destroyed in. (http://www.twitch.tv/smashbrosatwsu/mobile)
If you're bored, tune in. I'm using the tag SiG btw
Edit: lost pretty early in singles bracket, lost in grand finals in random doubles bracket and gave up in melee singles, it was pretty fun
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I just got Smash 4 as an early present~ :V
On the downside, though, it's pretty debilitating to work with input delay. :c
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Anyone know offhand what the requirement is to unlock Lucina in WiiU version? I think she's the last character I need to get (and I'm hoping it's not something painful like unlocking Duck Hunt was)
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Anyone know offhand what the requirement is to unlock Lucina in WiiU version? I think she's the last character I need to get (and I'm hoping it's not something painful like unlocking Duck Hunt was)
30 battled won or lost is the fastest that I know.
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30 battled won or lost is the fastest that I know.
Or clear Classic on 5.5+ (meaning you finish on 5.5+ and successfully beat Master Core; if your difficulty drops below that because of continues you won't get her)
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Or clear Classic on 5.5+ (meaning you finish on 5.5+ and successfully beat Master Core; if your difficulty drops below that because of continues you won't get her)
Ahh thank you!
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Ahh thank you!
No problem.
Unlocking the characters in the WiiU version isn't that hard fortunately, sans Duck Hunt (You have to score a KO in Cruel Smash, although when you realise you can just spam Shulk's - or anyone's - Counter, it's not so bad) and whoever it was you unlock for completing 8 rounds of Crazy Orders and then defeating Crazy Hand successfully (not necessarily hard but it's lots of room to screw up and the cost of entry is actually pretty high). Assuming you remember to actually back out of 100 Man/Cruel Smash instead of go straight into another attempt because otherwise you miss the unlock fight and have to do it again for some reason.
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No problem.
Unlocking the characters in the WiiU version isn't that hard fortunately, sans Duck Hunt (You have to score a KO in Cruel Smash, although when you realise you can just spam Shulk's - or anyone's - Counter, it's not so bad) and whoever it was you unlock for completing 8 rounds of Crazy Orders and then defeating Crazy Hand successfully (not necessarily hard but it's lots of room to screw up and the cost of entry is actually pretty high). Assuming you remember to actually back out of 100 Man/Cruel Smash instead of go straight into another attempt because otherwise you miss the unlock fight and have to do it again for some reason.
I'm fairly certain every character can be unlocked through playing enough rounds of smash, 100 of them, to be exact. I was rush-unlocking all the characters by just having one-stock matches with launch rate to x2.0, and had all the characters unlocked within, say, two or three hours, so if you end up having trouble with Cruel Smash or the apparent Crazy Orders unlock, just take that route. You don't have to win any of those smash rounds, either.
That said, the stage unlocks are still static, and you do have to get one Cruel Smash KO to unlock the Duck Hunt stage, so yeah. There's also the Pac-Land stage that requires you to play on every Smash Tour map, which could take a minimum of an hour, depending on how each Smash Tour goes.
Actually, does anyone know if there's a page of all the unlockable content, including music tracks? I'm still working on hunting down all the music, particularly the Gerudo Valley remix. Wait nevermind I found a useful thing. (http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_challenges_(SSB4-Wii_U)) And here's some unlock methods for characters specifically. (http://www.ssbwiki.com/Unlockable_character#Super_Smash_Bros._for_Wii_U)
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There's also the Pac-Land stage that requires you to play on every Smash Tour map, which could take a minimum of an hour, depending on how each Smash Tour goes.
I used a Golden Hammer for that one. Too lazy.
Incidentally, I found a checklist some time ago. Can't remember where I got it but I saved it.
1. - Complete All Star mode or 100 Multi Man Smash.
2. - Use the Gold Hammer gained by this to open the block one up and one left from the bottom right block in the challenges screen.
3. - Complete event matches in a row moving right, up, right, up.
4. - Perform 80 VS matches using Special Smash with Flowers, Stamina, and Fast. It's easiest to pick Omega Stage each time with Charizard. Make your opponent set to 10 HP, and leave yourself at default.
5. - Get one KO in Cruel Multi Man Smash. Break 100 blocks in Trophy Rush with Mr. Game and Watch.
I don't think I had that much of a problem with Cruel Smash. I just edgehogged like a madman and countered what was coming.
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Looks like Japan's got a new tier list.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10444340_10104003163699885_9100880148125719475_n.jpg?oh=76bcdda9cbd9187b9d0bda5cf957a3b9&oe=54FB298F&__gda__=1428004842_255a7c177fba9bceda29b6594acd0826)
Aside from Shulk in middle of D being completely absurd, everything else about this just gives me that feeling of "Almost, but not quite." Upper C having Falcon, Pac-Man, Luigi, Mii Gunner, Pikachu, Dedede, and Greninja all lumped together particularly strikes me as odd.
Will showing everyone this list is actually garbage
DK da best :V
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I never thought I'd be cheering for a DK but oh my god Will is so hype
SO
HYPE
NAKAT RUINED
ALLY VS WILL
MARIO VS DK
THIS
EVERYTHING
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This tournament has been so good.
EDIT: THE COUNTERRRRRRRRR
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Wait there was a tournament? Man I have no idea where people find this.
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streams are always on Twitch.tv
Also RIP Will
He was supposed to win but Shulk changed the future with a vision
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streams are always on Twitch.tv
Is there a particular one people watch, I'm a bit new to twitch.
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Really most of the time you can check the games list if one of the Smashes has like 1000+ viewers. Tournaments aren't always on the same channels.
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rip wiiu, sisters and all their schoolmates playing smash bricked it. 2-3 week system repair ; ;
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rip wiiu, sisters and all their schoolmates playing smash bricked it. 2-3 week system repair ; ;
How'd that happen?
>tfw you're that neet who plays a shitload of smash
>tfw you're too shit for Melee tournaments
>tfw none of your friends want to play with you because you're way too good for them
>tfw you can't beat anybody online
>tfw you can't feel an escapist superiority complex from the euphoria resultant of a feeling of winning
;-;
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error 160-0103 or something? Happening to a lot of people.
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error 160-0103 or something? Happening to a lot of people.
It's apparently a hardware error (kinda like what happened with several Wii systems being unable to play Brawl - you'll either have the rare problem or you won't). It's not specifically Smash 4 that's causing it, because it's been sporadically been reported since the WiiU's release.
It's a "you get it or you don't" error though - if you haven't seen it yet, it's not going to happen to you.
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this is the best thing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuHW-JDe5IQ)
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this is the best thing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuHW-JDe5IQ)
That is amazing! Jiggilypuff is having a grand time on the sides.
Also what the hell is this? Have I stumbled onto a part of the Smash community that I never knew about?
MLG Shulk's Really Feeling It! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0falmmCs1Lw)
I don't even....
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this is the best thing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuHW-JDe5IQ)
This is the new "greatest thing ever" to me for now.
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It's apparently a hardware error (kinda like what happened with several Wii systems being unable to play Brawl - you'll either have the rare problem or you won't). It's not specifically Smash 4 that's causing it, because it's been sporadically been reported since the WiiU's release.
It's a "you get it or you don't" error though - if you haven't seen it yet, it's not going to happen to you.
It's specifically smash it affects though; loading up bayonetta's glorious HD ass was pretty funny in my living room.
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seriously this game is the best (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3PgjpX0Ts8)
i cant wait to try this with a charles barkley mii
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Dang. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x212gOWcYuw&t=3m25s)
The best part about that setup is, even if Yoshi didn't stop shielding the punch is unblockable anyway. That's a really innovative use of jab though.
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wait what how did he cancel jabs into punch
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He did jabs until the pushback shoved him off the ledge and then he immediately punched :V
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I finally got to play some proper 8-Way Smash last night/this morning and I must say that I have been waiting a long time to be able to play Smash and have no fucking clue what's going on :V
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We played some 8-player Smash while being drunk yesterday, and that was freaking glorious.
Especially on standard Battlefield. And with the only item activated being Smash Ball.
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I finally got a chance to play this game. I've experienced some ridiculous skll rot and I don't think I'll get it back.
Also holy bugs I hate the air-dropping game & watch stage
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>Family gets me Smash 4 a week ago
>Price of special edition is just fine
>Family is still working on Christmas present, ask for gamecube controller adapter because I want optimal method to play Smash
>Adapter running into 100-dollar price range
GOD DAMMIT NINTENDO STOP UNDERPRODUCING ;-;
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I caved and bought a Wii U (the $200 repackage deal was too sweet to ignore) and Smash 4. Then today I bought a lovely Zelda and cool looking Little Mac Amiibo. Really curious how these things will work. I'm fascinated by evoling AI, so much more than I am with real humans, heh.
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I caved and bought a Wii U (the $200 repackage deal was too sweet to ignore) and Smash 4. Then today I bought a lovely Zelda and cool looking Little Mac Amiibo. Really curious how these things will work. I'm fascinated by evoling AI, so much more than I am with real humans, heh.
I actually find it more difficult to beat my own Zelda amiibo than my human friends. (whom are pretty hardcore Smash players, as I have become via association and exposure) For the most part, the AI takes the first 20 - 30 levels trying to figure out how to play based off of your play, and spends the remainder levels learning exactly how to kick your ass. I personally think they're a phenomenal learning tool in improving your Smash skills, as even after they hit level 50, they keep adapting to your playstyle to abuse your weaknesses.
At least, they certainly would be, up until they start deciding to resort to the most scrubbish tactic of just constantly spamming roll dodges, QUEENZELDY!
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Can I delete the amiibo once it gets to that stage to keep him pure?
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Can I delete the amiibo once it gets to that stage to keep him pure?
I think you can press L + R + X at the amiibo menu to reset your progress, save for the name and colour of the amiibo, but I can't confirm. The core idea to keep it from doing that, though, is to just keep from teaching it to dodge. So uh, yeah no, you can't reliably evade it, so remember that L+R+X thing. :V
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I like the idea of a friend that always knows how to kick your ass.
Also, I love how Nintendo tries to motivate kids to walk (Play coins, Pok?walker from Pok?mon HGSS) rather than sitting around the house and doing nothing with other people, yet it's endorsing (and supporting) lonely neethood by giving you a friend that can always beat you as badly as you beat it. Make up your minds! DX
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At least they are catering to both type of them.
Got my Amis to level 40 in just about 5 games. They are already destroying level 9 CPUs. Crazy how fast they learn.
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Megaman infinite found (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3xHtDo6ohA&sns=tw)
patch one out and another pops up in its place
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Is that really an infinite? Maybe I haven't studied the physics enough yet, but that seemed like Villager could have rolled away any of several times, or blocked the Mega Uppercut.
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Is that really an infinite? Maybe I haven't studied the physics enough yet, but that seemed like Villager could have rolled away any of several times, or blocked the Mega Uppercut.
You cannot tech or roll from a footstool.
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when you get footstooled you can't tech the landing, and if you get hit while you're down you automatically get forced to stand up and there's a brief window of vulnerability while getting up. If Megaman messes up his timing though you can escape, otherwise it's legit
e: lol apparently you need rng for this to work since the metal blade has a 50% chance of vanishing every time it's dropped. So this is not practical in the slightest.
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Ledgegrab invincibility doesn't start until frame 2. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wpax41DC_Y)
Also Neo's Sheik at S@X last night, hnnnng. His first ever sm4sh tournament and he clowned Boss so hard he gave up and killed himself.
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Fucking Lucario though. I'm salty about that GF for Neo's sake (because it's probably literally impossible for Neo to be salty about anything).
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huh, this explains why an rare occasions people have hit me out of my up b with a downsmash. I always thought they were somehow hitting me right before I grabbed the edge but while testing that never seemed to work. Turns out it's not before but at the same time :V
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Speaking of Amiibos, hear about The Tale of Waveshine (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/nov/26/amiibo-fox-places-third-super-smash-bros-wii-u-tournament-here-are-some-highlights/)? 3rd place in a tournament. Apparently Amiibo AI is being praised as the best fighter AI ever made, since it can learn. Personally, I like teaming up with mine instead of killing (or trying to kill) them. The thought of Zelda and myself fighting side by side excites me. :) I do plan on grabbing more amiis eventually though. Thinking a speed ranger like Pit, and a heavy hitter type, like Ike. Skip a couple monthly visits to fast food and grab some amiibros instead. :D Thanks to working retail, I can buy it as soon as it ships, since I am the one stocking them. :3
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Speaking of Amiibos, hear about The Tale of Waveshine (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2014/nov/26/amiibo-fox-places-third-super-smash-bros-wii-u-tournament-here-are-some-highlights/)? 3rd place in a tournament. Apparently Amiibo AI is being praised as the best fighter AI ever made, since it can learn. Personally, I like teaming up with mine instead of killing (or trying to kill) them. The thought of Zelda and myself fighting side by side excites me. :) I do plan on grabbing more amiis eventually though. Thinking a speed ranger like Pit, and a heavy hitter type, like Ike. Skip a couple monthly visits to fast food and grab some amiibros instead. :D Thanks to working retail, I can buy it as soon as it ships, since I am the one stocking them. :3
it's not really fair though since amiibos cheat :V
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Of course, but it still lost. Proves they are not omnipotent, yet. :D
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Well if brick and morter stores get their way you have to skip more then fast food to buy some amiibos. I don't know the full details yet but some may have heard that apparently Shulk is gonna be a GameStop exclusive, and rumor has it they are gonna only have enough for preorders so they can price gouge. But still a rumor nonetheless. Also heard that meta knight amiibo is a best buy exclusive. Honestly I don't want to spend $50 on these, the $13 is fine for me.
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I wish Marth were back. I'm part of like 1% of players who main Marth.
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I knew marth was gonna go fast so he was my first buy... I had the last one too.
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I love being in Japan and not having to worry about exclusivity deals.
Marth & Villager are also relatively easy to come by, likely moreso in places not populated by foreigners...
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I love being in Japan and not having to worry about exclusivity deals.
Marth & Villager are also relatively easy to come by, likely moreso in places not populated by foreigners...
Suddenly, "Kourindo - Buy Stuff from Japan! : Amiibo Edition".
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why is Nairo so fucking good at this game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpU6zwL3hu0&list=UUOSDoiBrlgiDaovgytySB6A)
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why is Nairo so fucking good at this game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpU6zwL3hu0&list=UUOSDoiBrlgiDaovgytySB6A)
nairo calm down pls ;-;
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https://gfycat.com/FlashyRingedBlacklab
Awestin wrecked ass today.
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Beautiful.
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That tree should have spiked him. Would have made it more glorious. This was already really good.
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
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Today I learned the hop at the start of Sonic's sideB spindash is invincible.
Thanks Larry Lurr.
Thanks Obama.
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Am I the only person that gets angry on the inside when people play as Sonic?
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Twitch chats get angry on the outside :V
I probably wouldn't mind as much if I didn't play a character that's slow as sin and can have any of his moves punished by a character that fast, but he is a pretty dumb character overall.
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Twitch chats get angry on the outside :V
I probably wouldn't mind as much if I didn't play a character that's slow as sin and can have any of his moves punished by a character that fast, but he is a pretty dumb character overall.
w0w I feel the exact same way
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w0w I feel the exact same way
we should start a support group imo
PTSD (Posttraumatic Sonic Disorder) is very real
Time for Metaknight to climb back up the tiers (http://www.gfycat.com/ThoughtfulEnormousAlbertosaurus) (that's a true combo btw)
Ito dropped MK for Diddy yesterday btw
"ill be honest i dont think hes viable but hes still better than like half the cast."
Which I completely agree with, but still RIP pretty much the only (non-Japanese) tourney MK.
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The amiibo collection "minigame" seems to be getting more popular the actual game (amongst my group of friends at least). Personally I will stick to Rosalina and Zelda and quit. I don't want to play POkemon with $11 (discount) figures, heh! When I put up the 4 Luigis on Friday, they were all gone by the next Saturday morning and Diddy suddenly is in his spot! Can't tell if popular or just opportunistic Ebayers looking for a quick profit.
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I finally played this game at a friends house today. Got to play as most of the people I wanted. I can't comment on movesets, as I had no idea what I was doing. Galagas and beatles were really annoying though. Course, this was 8 players, and the items we had available(galagas, beetles, smash balls, and blue shells) were set to high so...
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Oh man Ninjalink's Mega Man at Free Saltines tonight
I really hope Mega Man gets some dedicated tourney-goers picking him up, I love watching this character played at a high level so much even if he's the bane of Dedede's existence.
and the items we had available(galagas, beetles, smash balls, and blue shells) were set to high so...
lol :V
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Oh man Ninjalink's Mega Man at Free Saltines tonight
I really hope Mega Man gets some dedicated tourney-goers picking him up, I love watching this character played at a high level so much even if he's the bane of Dedede's existence.lol :V
In one it was down to the final two, we both threw galagas, and I got caught in one, and then as it was dragging me, the other guy got caught in one too. Sadly, I still lost.
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little mac really wants to prove that he is in fact an air fighter (http://www.gfycat.com/WhisperedMilkyFlatfish)
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little mac really wants to prove that he is in fact an air fighter (http://www.gfycat.com/WhisperedMilkyFlatfish)
How the hell is he able to hit so many times in the air?
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Is he...somehow resetting himself in midair to get the ability to attack again? Or does the move he's using mostly deal upwards knockback even though it seems to be hitting downward? If so, then his foe moving up while he's stuck on top of him keeps him in midair so he gets to keep pounding away it looks like.
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He's doing nair footstool nair footstool etc.
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Is footstool where you jump on an opponents head? I haven't heard that term used yet.
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Yes. It's what they called it during the Brawl countdown and it's still in some of the ingame hints, I think.
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I just got Smash for the 3DS although it's probably not a thing now since Wii U version came out, but I'll post my friend code when I get used to 3DS controls.
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Today I learned Kirby has a ridiculous pivot grab.
Like, almost as good as pre-nerf Zelda's pivot grab.
What in the hell.
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I have learned first-hand that Kirby's Crazy Appetite is the highest order of bullshit.
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Finally a good Falcon fuck yes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD6wSiPUiZw)
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and then he promptly gets trashed by 6wx blegh
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124/140 Wii U challenges cleared, 0/5 hammers used. Not look forward to clearing Hard True All-Star with everyone, though. At least Classic 7.0 With Everyone allows for customizations.
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why is Nairo so fucking good at this game
also goddamn luigi is actually legit
Diddyyyyyy
Diddy Kong the destroyer of hype :<
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I have learned first-hand that Kirby's Crazy Appetite is the highest order of bullshit.
I had trouble with that one too, but if you copy one of the Dedede's abilities and use that to eat the food, then Kirby recovers a bit more health upon eating it.
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pac-man is broken (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3i7lNHIfk)
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pac-man is broken (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3i7lNHIfk)
Lol "2Pac". For once I'm glad I read the comments. :V
But in all seriousness, couldn't someone with a longer range vertical projectile put them in hitstun above the blast zone for a Star KO? Obviously this would still be unbeatable for those that don't have one, just throwing this out there for discussion (because I still can't test anything myself >.<).
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Yeah it's killed by long-range projectiles, high Thunder, high Air Shooter, etc.
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The answer to 2Pac. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRdl82FzuY)
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124/140 Wii U challenges cleared, 0/5 hammers used. Not look forward to clearing Hard True All-Star with everyone, though. At least Classic 7.0 With Everyone allows for customizations.
Hard True All-Star is insane. I remember even trying to clear it with my mains posses a challenge. Not that I was good at All-Star anyway :v
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I have it done with...I think 10 characters right now? I'm not looking forward to clearing it with all 49, though. Olimar and Bowser Jr in particular are worrisome, since the way they handle is the antithesis of how I tend to play.
Of all the ones remaining (up to 132/140) that aren't random, though, I'm actually worried the most about All Perfect Target Blast stages, because I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to Perfect Level 2. Levels 1 and 3 I did a while ago, but I've beat my head against Level 2 for at least one aggregate hour and I've only come close to a Perfect a few times.
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Izaw found something similar to L-cancelling (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHWz-9F7cQ), which I guess we're calling
frame cancelling I don't know what we're calling it now, but it isn't technically cancelling anything.
I looked into this more and found what's happening is landing at the same time you connect an aerial causes you to land during your hitlag, essentially starting (and thus ending) your landing lag earlier.
Comparison with cancelled and uncancelled knee (http://gfycat.com/AbsoluteFewAnnashummingbird)
Example frame cancelled combo with Zelda (http://gfycat.com/NaturalFondBlacknorwegianelkhound)
I should drop this (http://puu.sh/es7TX.gif) here too.
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Oh yeah I should probobly mention I got the 3DS version.
I'm awful and the character I tend to do the best with is King Dedede right now. It's hilarious playing him and I can't help but smile.
In some online games [For Fun] I've done dumb things like ^B on top of 2 people fighting near the ledge and killed them both... and myself; by slamming us all into the pit at once.
Also hitting stuff with Jet Hammer is so satisfying. In fact hitting stuff with Dedede in general is satisfying.
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I'm having fun with smash right now, yesterday we did all home run bats with x0.5 launch it was funny. XD
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wow apex just cant get a fucking break huh
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What a disaster. At least, I hope evertbody is safe.
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Trying my best to stay updated on the Apex situation, but my lack of experience on Twitter isn't helping lol.
However, based on what I know so far, and despite initial reactions, I'm of the opinion that the fire alarm going off, whether by accident or tomfoolery, may be the most fortunate thing to happen to this tournament. Would you want to spend an entire day in a building with significant structural damage, which you wouldn't know about otherwise? Or hell, run a weekend-long tournament in one, where you're managing literally thousands of people? I don't deny that this is still incredibly stressful for everyone involved, especially the TOs, and I wish them the best of luck figuring something out. But honestly, personal safety should come before all else.
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(http://i.imgur.com/5LTXTfl.jpg)
so apparently this is just part of the damage
the worst part is i think i remember seeing this picture like a few days ago when the storm happened
so since then the hotel was still just open and running with a big hole in the roof and they didnt tell anyone like wat ???
Fire marshal telling us that there are people from the hotel that could get arrested.
okay yeah the hotel fucked up big time
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Salty Suite happening right now GET HYPEE (http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp)
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UP TILT. GAAANONDOOOORF
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I hope they bump up Leffen's match though because Leffen said if his match doesn't happen before 11:10 he's just gonna dip and Leffen is usually serious about stuff like this
Jesus Westballz is good
not so good at trashtalk :V
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I got half of the roster unlocked today and DUCK HUNT DOG IS A PAIN IN THE ASS.... NO KIDDING.
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I got half of the roster unlocked today and DUCK HUNT DOG IS A PAIN IN THE ASS.... NO KIDDING.
If he's throwing crap at you, either jump over it or roll behind him. All of his projectiles only shoot forward so you can avoid everything with a well timed dodge.
Also time for Leffen vs Chillin ooooh boy been waiting for this for months
oh man
Leffen is the villan the smash scene deserves :V
YO MANGO THO
THE GOD
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MANGO WHAT
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MANGO WHAT
and thats why hes the motherfuckin GOAT
too bad thier match wont happen if leffen still cant beat m2k :Vwell shit
it's happening
e: wow this tournament has been fucking incredible
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Oh shit the ride never ends (http://imgur.com/a/78Dhq) (DLC spoiler alert???)
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please be real
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but wait there's more (http://i.imgur.com/i760n34.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/dYH7aKR.gif)
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yep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q27o-0vyMM)
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holy shit
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Wasn't he already a trophy? Seems plausible enough in that case.
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Wasn't he already a trophy?
Yes in the Wii U version
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Called it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaoB7lnOiXM&hd=1)
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goodnight sweet prince ;-;
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Props to the guy for pulling this off.
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Yeah I'm not even mad. As a fake I was expecting a legitimate hack over compositing, so this was nice.
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Lucas confirmed.
Mewtwo incoming still.
and an official poll to suggest more DLC characters (https://cp.nintendo.co.jp/us/).
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vote miku 2015
actually though inklings would be cool especially since they already get ammibo
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I TOLD YOU
I KNEW IT ALL ALONG
I GOSHDARNED KNEW IT
Lucas is just wrappin' up his vacation, that's all.
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His moveset looks exactly the same as in Brawl, so if he's tweaked as much as Ness then he's probably going to be strong, although he still does have a tether grab eh
Also Wolf when
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Screw you guys I'm voting Karate Joe from Rhythm Heaven. That game needs to be represented in the main cast and he fits too well for it.
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So that explains why Ness' "Lucas custom specials" behave so differently lol. I legit shouted when Lucas showed up in that trailer. I always felt more comfortable with Ness in Brawl, but I did try out Lucas for a time as well, and I've since become a much bigger Mother fan in general, so of course I'm gonna try him out in Smash 4.
I feel personally conflicted about this voting thing because some of the characters I'd want to vote for might already have other things going for or against them. First choice is Ice Climbers, but they couldn't be put into the 3DS version in the first place, and I don't see that changing unfortunately. Wolf would probably be one of the most likely DLC characters even without this ballot, but it wouldn't hurt to vote for him. He was one of the most distinctive semi-clones in Brawl and would add (rather, "add back") to the list of playable "antagonists". Mother fan that I am, I wouldn't mind seeing Paula becoming a fighter either - Smash 4 already added quite a few female characters, so there's certainly precedent, and there's a lot more PSI powers out there to distinguish her moveset. Then again, Mother is arguably not big enough to really warrant another rep, especially now with Lucas confirmed to be returning and considering that the official series is essentially finished (whereas Star Fox is still getting new releases). Still gonna give it a shot though.
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I can't help but feel a little annoyed that Nintendo will happily appease the Mother fanbase by including Ness and Lucas and related content in Smash but still won't release Mother 1 or 3 officially outside of Japan. :T
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I dunno y'all, my yelling ran out when Megaman X costume showed up.
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Wait; I'm sure Sakurai said before he didn't believe in paid DLC. [At least for characters]
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Wait; I'm sure Sakurai said before he didn't believe in paid DLC. [At least for characters]
Then Iwata and Reggie both showed up in his office and broke half of his fingers.
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Then Iwata and Reggie both showed up in his office and broke half of his fingers.
And then there was no more Smash. [Also it's a bit weird they let him say that in an official interview and such]
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I'm just waiting for my Mewtwo amiibo; because give me!
Voting, however, was kind of hard. But let's face it, this is perfect for several titles that deserve something more. Banjo-Kazooie, for example, would slot in perfectly in this kind of environment. The combinations they could do with Kazooie attacking from the backpack, or even having her pop out to do the run animation... the possibilities are all there~ XD
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JIGGLYPUFF
AMIIBO
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I dunno y'all, my yelling ran out when Megaman X costume showed up.
That Protoman costume tho. Since it covers the Mii's face it pretty much looks exactly like actual Protoman in Smash :V
also i just realized they spoil the ending of mother 3 in Lucas' trailer rofl
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They spoiled it pretty hard with
SPIDER MECH OLD MAN PORKY
in the story mode of Brawl on a similar note ::)
Yo Nintendo why not make Mother 3 The Game DLC to go along with Lucas I'm a genius pls give me moneys.
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JIGGLYPUFF
AMIIBO
YES
YES
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competitivesmash4.gif (http://gfycat.com/NearNastyChameleon)
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Mew2King's training sessions can be summarized as: "And then, you UAir again."
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There's a local tournament going on in my area today that will have some streams if anyone is interested.
Wii U Smash : http://www.twitch.tv/nextlevelstreaming
Melee/Project M: http://www.twitch.tv/camtendo
Schedule (CST): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DlYEI0NufX5mrswbBx-ivmWBph64VbbxK0nzvoPLw90/edit?pli=1#gid=0
I'll be there too, but for the various Street Fighters and Xrd, but I figured I'd throw out some support for the local smash players. I don't think we have a stream setup for SF and Xrd, but if we do I'll try to remember to make a post about it in the fighting game or stream thread.
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Mewtwo patch tomorrow git hype
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git hype that i can't play until i get smash back and then record all my replays so they don't break
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So dataminers found music files for Street Fighter 2 Ryu's theme and a victory theme for Ryu in the Mewtwo patch. Will Ryu be announced at EVO? Seems like the perfect time to reveal him.
link (http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/32nymz/smash_update_106_decrypted_first_observations/)
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mew2 nair for DAYYYYYYS
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oh yeah forgot to say because of the motk downtime but RIP hoo hah (diddy is still strong though)
also haven't played mewtwo but from what i've seen/heard he's basically a super glass cannon
crazy kill power but also the second lightest character in the game, only a little bit heavier than puff
his attacks are generally tuned for the better compared to melee but they also have some dead zones where it looks like it should hit be hitting but it wont
also he can do this which looks super sick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9fN_84vRz0)
it's not actually viable but mewtwo does have a lot of strings where your opponent has to make the right choice to escape unharmed especially with his side b
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Yeah Cosmo's been playing Mewtwo all day and it's funny how similarly he plays to Zelda. He can kill super early with a ton of stuff. His tilts are insane too.
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and then there's mew2king who thinks he's total trash :V
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmo6rFJDFsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Jjz-V8jE4
So... What do you guys think? Genuine or not?
EDIT : Nevermind, it's real.
(http://i.imgur.com/sieYngD.png)
EDIT 2 : TEH PHIR3 IS BACK
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ROY'S MY BOY
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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[09:32:40] <~Drake> RHRGRGRGHRGRRRGRLGLLHmklf
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I'm sorry but motherfucking Ryu being in this game kinda overtook the hype for Roy because WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
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also DREAMLAND 64!?
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Yeah, having Ryu in here is way more awesome imo
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Kirby yelling HADOKEN omg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK-DSAgs6fQ)
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Wait what IT'S HAPPENING!?
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Very interesting if this is indeed real, though that's looking more and more likely as time goes on. I feel like I'm in the minority when it comes to Roy though, not particularly invested in him. Smash 4 Marth already has a clone character in Lucina, having two clones would be unprecedented. Not to mention that the 3 current clones actually make sense to be clones, whereas Roy does not. I would think if he were to be included he'd become more like a semi-clone or something.
I love the clip where he literally cooks Falco though. absolutely hilarious. :V
Ryu, on the other hand, I'm much more excited about. I don't play Street Fighter (at least not yet), but I've become more of a fan since last year's EVO, and Ryu would definitely provide a highly different playstyle (in the realm of Smash anyway), much in line with Smash 4's other newcomers. There seems to be a bunch of talk that Ryu and Roy (along with some other additions) would be released the same time as Lucas (Mother hype yeeeaaah!), but I'm a little hesitant to believe they'd do that, especially when all this stuff was supposed to be a surprise for either the Direct tomorrow or E3 proper.
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having two clones would be unprecedented.
Fox, Falco and Wolf.
Lucina was supposed to be a skin of Marth, too.
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Roy's not a clone he has teh phir3!!!1!11
Also apparently all of this COMES OUT TOMORROW?!
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OH SHIT (http://www.twitch.tv/crediar/v/6139915)
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Fox, Falco and Wolf.
Lucina was supposed to be a skin of Marth, too.
Actual clones, I meant. Falco and Wolf were both semi-clones by Brawl.
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RYU HAS TWO FINAL SMASHES
AND EX SPECIALS?!
WTF HE HAS SO MANY NORMALS okay it's just kind of confusing because his up attacks don't go up very much like other characters
Ryu's final smashes seem to be proximity based
Shoryuken if you're close, Hadoken if you're far
LOL YOU CAN DO ACTUAL HADOKEN MOTIONS
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Actual clones, I meant. Falco and Wolf were both semi-clones by Brawl.
Eh, semantics. If Fox, Falco and Wolf can be considered different, I am pretty sure they can make Roy different from Marth in Smash 4, especially since Marth is really different from before.
And Roy had his moved changed, he is less of a clone than Lucina now, there.
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Eh, semantics. If Fox, Falco and Wolf can be considered different, I am pretty sure they can make Roy different from Marth in Smash 4, especially since Marth is really different from before.
And Roy had his moved changed, he is less of a clone than Lucina now, there.
One could argue he was always less of a clone than Lucina. Just a matter of figuring out exactly how his moves work now, mass amounts of people actually playing with him and testing him out and all that. Suikama's link earlier provided a demonstration, his moves look more tailored for Smash 4's engine to be sure, just like Mewtwo. Whether he's an effective fighter or not, there's gonna be a lot of people playing him anyway at first purely because of his popularity, which, going back to my original point, I don't quite identify with.
LOL YOU CAN DO ACTUAL HADOKEN MOTIONS
For some strange reason I wouldn't mind this, even though it flies in the face of Smash's whole "simple inputs" theme. I'm just waiting for people who understand how to use focus attacks to start messing everyone up with it. :V
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I like how Ryu's hadouken is restricted by the usual 1-fireball-allowed-on-screen rule from street fighter :V
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Hadoken
Quickly input down, down-forward, forward for 1.25x power. You might have to practice a bit to really figure out howtodo a Hadoken.
Shoryuken
Input the commands from the original series to become invincible until the move is complete. The move needs no recovery time after landing.
Tatsumaki Senpukyaku
Enter down, down-back, back for 1.16x power. Increasing the strength also increases the move?s speed and travel distance.
Focus Attack
You can cancel this move by pressing left or right twice quickly, either while charging or right after the punch connects.
Attacks
Just like in those, you can cancel the move after striking by going straight into a special.
RYU CONFIRMED BEST CHARACTER
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Can you link tatsu to shoryu though? :V
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ROY'S MY BOY
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Smash Direct in 20 minutes!!!! (http://www.twitch.tv/nintendo)
YES ROY CONFIRMED FOR TODAY
HYRULE 64 AND MARIO 64 STAGES CONFIRMED
YOUTUBE CONFIRMED
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RYU CONFIRMED OP AS FUCK
TODAY CONFIRMED
RIP WALLET
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Everything confirmed to be released today? I am so glad I was wrong.
I wanna give special mention to that Youtube feature. Clearly a response to how the new patch system destroys old replays, but nonetheless it's fantastic for any kind of Smash player, whether they want to save replays of their matches for study, or to show off a wacky yet amazing KO.
And I'll be surprised if I don't run into problems on the eShop two minutes from now.
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And I'll be surprised if I don't run into problems on the eShop two minutes from now.
Yeah, I wouldn't even bother right now. It won't even load for me.
Still OH MY GOD THIS IS TWO MORE CHARACTERS THAN I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO MAIN I CAN'T HANDLE THIS.
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Yeah, I wouldn't even bother right now. It won't even load for me.
Indeed, I'm seeing this too. I can't even get to the update screen. Now this is madness.
EDIT: Got through to the update screen. There is hope yet lol.
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eshop is kill ;__;
(http://i.imgur.com/rFREpUy.jpg)
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Wait a second Ryu was actually for real?!
I thought that was just a dumb rumor on tumblr. D:
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Ryu is fucking nuts oh my god
His weakness only seem to be recovery so far? Well not even. If you jump off the edge his recovery is terrible, but for just coming back to the stage it's decent.
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(http://i.imgur.com/QHeVBo3.gif)
Man, with all that amiibo money, you would have thought they would get better servers.
Also, as a Street Fighter player, combos will be fun to do.
EDIT: Oh, hey, balance changes confirmed, neat.
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RIP Diddy
Initial Impressions:
Ryu is potentially amazing. He just has so many tricks, but it's going to take a while to learn exactly what he's capable of.
Roy is ok. He moves fast and hits hard, but he has lag on his attacks and poor throw follow ups so eh mid tier probably. His smash attacks are strong and fast though.
Lucas is broken lol. The Mother boys are taking over
e: okay Roy is REALLY strong. Still kind of feel like he'll suffer Bowser syndrome but at least he's better than all the other FE characters for once lol
oh shit Eruption has very little lag, maybe Roy is full legit
e2: Man okay Roy is strong and feels great. His jab is nice too. If only his fair had less landing lag though oh well.
e3: goddamn roy's fsmash is probably the best in the game. It's so goddamn fast and strong. It seriously hits as hard as Marth's TIPPERED Fsmash but it's way easier to land. Also his side B can deal up to 22% holy shit
Roy feels stronger than Ike and faster than Marth it's nuts. He's still part of the 'loses to sheik' category but damn I'm maining this boy
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Woah, why is a thread for a popular game this dead? Anyway, time to smash.
I always liked Smash and I might get a Wii U soon to play it. Emphasis on might. I bought a Sonic amiibo a few days ago, and yeah, dem amiibos r nice. I actually main Mario, but I was on an anime convention and their Mario amiibos had sold out, but I wanted to get one anyway so I got the Sonic one.
Although I kinda want to play Smash competitively, I'll admit it's kinda not by choice. My friends randomly decided they wanted to play competitively, and now if I want to stand a chance against 'em, I have to be competitive too. Thing is, they can practice their skills in the game, they have a Wii U, I don't :V
Still, I'll admit I'm not in a hurry. I'm not the biggest fan of Nintendo, nowadays. And I'll only get a Wii U if I can find more games to play it other than Smash, I don't want it to be like my 3DS, I bought it just for Pokemon Y, and after the novelty of that game wore off, I never touched my 3DS again.
Yes, I am aware there's a 3DS version of Smash 4, but I'm also aware people tend to damage their console playing it.
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New Patch is out
Shiek nerfs ahoy
lmao Luigi buffs?
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no jiggs buffs
not even throws
thanks a lot sakurai
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Most notable changes:
Luigi Dtilt can trip
Donkey Kong cargo Uthrow easily combos into Uair now (HOO HAH)
Ganondorf's air down B breaks shields oh god
Metaknight's sword trails actually match up with his hitboxes finally
Fox can't jab infinite anymore but now can shinespike
Marths have less lag on aerials
Robin's dthrow can combo into stuff now
Wii Fit got all around buffs including less wonky smash hitboxes
and Mii Swordfighter is broken lol (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEgVOpJMWv4)
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"Fox can't jab infinite anymore but now can shinespike"
It's melee all over again!
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It's still worse than the Melee shine in like every way possible though :V
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holy shit I finally got every hat
that only took an entire year