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~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 01, 2014, 07:03:40 AM

Title: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 01, 2014, 07:03:40 AM
#roadtopositivemmr



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> How to play DotA 2 in 4 minutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akUNmFAzS98)
> Welcome to DotA. You suck. (http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-to-dota-you-suck)
> Total newbie guide (http://www.playdota.com/guides/masterjas-total-newbie-guide)
> Lane Control (http://www.playdota.com/learn/lanecontrol)
> Ultimate guide to warding (http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/blogs/DotA/1092/Dota-2-Ultimate-Guide-to-Warding/)
> Character guides from DotA at playdota.com (http://www.playdota.com/guides) (not newbie friendly due to the WC3 icons)
> Alt-tab guides for every hero (http://www.dota2alttab.com/)



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The main MotK DotA group tends to hang around on the #dots-meido channel on PPIRC (http://webchat.ppirc.net/?channels=dots-meido).
We have players of varying skill levels so you should be able to find people around your level without too much difficulty.
We also just chat and play other games whenever we feel like it.
You should come hang out with us sometimes!
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: PX on October 01, 2014, 07:04:53 AM
First for 6.82 sucks
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 01, 2014, 07:05:12 AM
Comebacks are dead, the cancer is real.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dular on October 01, 2014, 07:05:18 AM
Not first for 6.82 sucks.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on October 01, 2014, 07:39:28 AM
I think we need to buff Legion Commander
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 01, 2014, 07:49:10 AM
I think we need to buff Legion Commander
I'd be down for that. :D
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Raikaria on October 01, 2014, 08:11:07 PM
First for 6.82 sucks

And only.

I think we need to buff Legion Commander

Yes make her Duel have 1000 range and blink her to her target Volvo Plz.

Also apparently Meepo has a game-breaking bug with boots where you can basically duplicate boots so all your clones get 6 for free. 6 power treads or 6 Phase. Early in the game. Multiplied by the number of Meepo clones. Yeah.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: PX on October 01, 2014, 10:00:05 PM
Treads don't stack lol
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Raikaria on October 01, 2014, 10:15:37 PM
Treads don't stack lol

They do with this Meepo Bug, or more specifically the stats do.

2k hp Meepo clones running around towerdiving you before 10 mins is kinda dumb.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Bardiche on October 03, 2014, 10:59:10 PM
30:00 minutes. Our last barracks have fallen. The game is lost!
35:00 minutes. We're still defending. The creeps keep coming, but Faceless Void refuses to give up, and so do I.
36:00 minutes. The enemy team tried to rush us, but they couldn't withstand Faceless Void's strength.
38:00 minutes. Invoker and I broke one of their towers, but then they respawned. Mega Creeps are stronk.
45:00 minutes. We're still defending and beating off enemy attacks. Can't they defeat us...?
50:00 minutes. Not even the Aegis of Immortality saves them against a Refresher Orb Doom on their carry...!
59:00 minutes. It's lost. It's finally lost. We can no longer hold them back.
1:02:00. Match is decided. The enemy team is ignoring us and going for the Ancient...!

We lost. ;_; (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/938067105)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 05, 2014, 08:24:51 PM
I wonder what even goes through the minds of my friends (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHf5m9NokYg).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: ActionDan on October 06, 2014, 03:13:48 PM
That Book of Bantorra music though.

ob
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 08, 2014, 12:45:58 AM
So, apparently, I am the 32nd best Legion Commander player in the world according to Dotabuff's player rankings.
Holy shit this is awesome.

(http://i.imgur.com/CQRTN1m.png)
http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/legion-commander/players
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dorakyura on October 08, 2014, 10:06:03 AM
So, apparently, I am the 32nd best Legion Commander player in the world according to Dotabuff's player rankings.
Holy shit this is awesome.

(http://i.imgur.com/CQRTN1m.png)
http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/legion-commander/players

AND you dropped down to 46 within no time :D
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 08, 2014, 10:42:33 AM
40th now!
I had a shit Lion that literally roamed to feed every lane, game is hard.
Then again my game just now had a Luna that literally tried to throw by just a clicking down the lane 24/7 but we still won so whatever.
Also, solo offlane Legion is hard.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Bardiche on October 08, 2014, 12:39:57 PM
So, apparently, I am the 32nd best Legion Commander player in the world according to Dotabuff's player rankings.
Holy shit this is awesome.

(http://i.imgur.com/CQRTN1m.png)
http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/legion-commander/players

why would you purchase Plus
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dr Rawr on October 08, 2014, 05:37:12 PM
why would you purchase Plus
top 100 doesnt need plus to show off there rank
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 08, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
From Hexor's channel to Dotacinema, MotK is getting places (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzuRNImuSxk#t=26).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: yuyukos on October 09, 2014, 01:28:42 AM
Added two new matchmaking regions in South America (Chile and Peru)

IT'S HAPPENING. :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Raikaria on October 09, 2014, 06:53:55 AM
From Hexor's channel to Dotacinema, MotK is getting places (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzuRNImuSxk#t=26).

How long until I'm on fails?

Also can I give Hero999 Bane lessons
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 10, 2014, 01:25:42 PM
Two highlights today!

I guess Void forgot which item does what (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX6GcqxBO4g).

I got wrecked (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hmDw6vPM90).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on October 13, 2014, 04:45:58 PM
So, apparently, I am the 32nd best Legion Commander player in the world according to Dotabuff's player rankings.
Holy shit this is awesome.

(http://i.imgur.com/CQRTN1m.png)
http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/legion-commander/players

dont tempt me to get plus you shit
i will bribe professional players to make me top tier [insertherohere] player
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Raikaria on October 13, 2014, 07:43:35 PM
> Playing Nyx
> Bad earlygame; I get some assists but no kills and I die some.
> Furion starts being Furion
> Kills Furion solo; just about with Urn and 2 Mana Breaks as well as Impail and Vendetta and even some autos
> Furion starts being Furion again
> Kills Furion with much more ease [I had hit Lv 16 from the first kill]
> Repeat while team who are much more important than me handles not-Furion things until Furion is forced to group up; and I'm able to still insta-jib him

I don't get how that Furion failed to realize I was camping the botlane for him every time. Because  he always went to rat the botlane. Always. Without fail. And it's not like drawing Nyx bottom was a useful thing. I had no farm, and very little in the way of items because I had been buying dust and wards all game because they had Mirana; Bounty; and a Shadow Blade on both the Furion and their Kunnka.

But still; remind me to pick Nyx when I see the enemy pick King Rat.

Also wrecking a Huskar who decided to Life Break onto me is hilarious. Yes; you just lost 70% of your HP because you tried to Life Break a NYX. Unlike Furion Huskar learnt and stopped Life Breaking me in the middle of a teamfight after the 2nd time.

Basically #JustNyxThings
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 14, 2014, 03:28:49 AM
There's like, 3 days between posts. Seriously? What the fuck am I meant to do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZYPRBulJhw
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Conqueror on October 14, 2014, 03:50:47 AM
Recruit more people to play dota, noob. Then you'll have no problems with doubleposting. :V
(Don't recruit more people to play dota. Contain the cancer. ;-;)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 14, 2014, 03:52:48 AM
Top ranked Legion here, guys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orW89qdmGlg).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Raikaria on October 14, 2014, 06:40:08 AM
Top ranked Legion here, guys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orW89qdmGlg).

More Nyx Things.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on October 14, 2014, 11:25:15 AM
Impail

you anger me

(http://i.imgur.com/iyUlr5G.png)
im trying my best guys i swear i just need to hit 3000 total games
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: TheCrimsonfireball on October 15, 2014, 01:23:48 PM
I have a question about dota 2. Does assault currias damage return increase when I activate mask of madness?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 15, 2014, 01:32:17 PM
Assault Cuirass does not return damage.
I assume that you're talking about the Blademail.
Yes, if you hit someone who has Blademail activated while you have Mask of Madness activated, you will take extra damage from the Blademail.
And if you are hit by someone while you have both Blademail and Mask of Madness activated, you will return the increased amount of the damage that you take to your attacker.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: TheCrimsonfireball on October 15, 2014, 01:41:12 PM
Yes it was blademail how could I forget. Thanks for answering, now im going to try it using it on wraith king for some suicidal tactics.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Bardiche on October 16, 2014, 12:21:08 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/wouZ5LR.png)
Is this why people create secondary accounts?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Amraphenson on October 16, 2014, 03:24:59 AM
considering my one and only account's page, I don't really see any meaningful difference (http://www.dotabuff.com/players/43760947)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: helvetica on October 16, 2014, 04:05:33 PM
I haven't played in two weeks WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: PX on October 16, 2014, 05:17:10 PM
I haven't played in two weeks WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME
The happiest 2 weeks of your life?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on October 16, 2014, 09:16:45 PM
WTB> New friends (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGLFf8u22po)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: helvetica on October 17, 2014, 04:39:11 PM
The happiest 2 weeks of your life?
If you call two physics exams happy then yes.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Doll.S CUBE on October 18, 2014, 01:38:56 AM
Hmm, maybe I should start playing some Dota again but being happy feels so good.....
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Pesco on October 18, 2014, 10:55:22 AM
Save your happiness. Don't let the lure of games ruin you :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on October 18, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
Save your happiness. Don't let the lure of games ruin you :V

Old men with old tales to tell
Tales of the trench
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Raikaria on October 18, 2014, 06:53:46 PM
You haven't been to the trench YJ.

You are not MY level.

Tales of Offlane Bane getting Double Kills and eternal 5 carry teams. Tales of no Meks; Urns; Pipes or team items at all. Let alone wards. If I didn't buy the courier every game there wouldn't be one. Permanent 2:1:2 lanes or 1:Jungler:1:2 lanes. A trilane? What's that. And you cannot forget the Russians and about 50% of games having a random abandon in the 10~15 min mark or sooner; if anything biased to the WINNING team having a random ragequit.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Pesco on October 18, 2014, 10:02:35 PM
I'm an old man with some old tales (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/8607022)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dr Rawr on October 18, 2014, 10:06:25 PM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/99370441
Back when Dr Rawr use to solo queue
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on October 19, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
I'm an old man with some old tales (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/8607022)

YOU KNOW SHIT IS GOING DOWN WHEN BANE HAS A SKADI
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: PX on October 19, 2014, 07:08:55 PM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1983961

You know you're in for something when your first game has you go mid as CM because you're the only ranged hero
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Bardiche on October 20, 2014, 01:53:58 AM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/971018183

Pudge ragequit over how bad the team was. PA got farm, game was end.
I think I did pretty well as Shadow Demon, secured First Blood in the first minute, went lot of gank and harass.

EDIT
Also my first game:
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/51766630

Dose double boots, dat feeding
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Pesco on November 06, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Dotos from the dark continent (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1008599613)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 06, 2014, 09:29:58 PM
Level 1 stats Gondar OP.
And the late double edge Centaur.
And the laser max Tinker.
And the I don't even know what he's doing Chaos Knight.
I don't understand any of these skill/item builds.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Pesco on November 08, 2014, 07:21:26 AM
So that's where my level 1 stat point went.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Raitaki on November 14, 2014, 06:01:56 AM
Just a quick heads-up, apparently some Steam accounts (including at least one of us) are being hacked and used to send people links to screen-pictures.com. Quick google search says it's a trojan that takes over more Steam accounts, and some people got their Dota 2 inventories wiped because of it, so be careful of that link.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Zerviscos on November 14, 2014, 04:36:52 PM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1024925682
What do you do when you first picked a 2-Position Huskar and your team picked 3 Hard Carries, and a 4-Position Bane?
WELL, YOU CREATE SPACE FOR YOUR 3 HARD CARRIES. Solo or with Bane, take all of them on. Basically it's one-two gankers, and one support, while 3 carries just farm away and TB split pushes.

This is why Mushi always ban Huskar and Riki, don't believe what he said back then on his facebook page. He's actually scared of Huskar. (http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/chansub-global-emoticon-f6c13c7fc0a5c93d-36x30.png)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Bardiche on November 15, 2014, 09:54:17 PM
Oracle. I think I still prefer Diretide.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 15, 2014, 10:06:05 PM
So when I get my graphics card back, Oracle is what I'll be seeing.
BRB breaking my graphics card again.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: trancehime on November 16, 2014, 12:46:49 AM
Oracle. I think I still prefer Diretide.

As the topic title, Oracle is pretty dumb. But he's beatable.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: VOLVO GIFF DIRETIDE
Post by: Zerviscos on November 16, 2014, 06:19:02 AM
Oracle. I think I still prefer Diretide.
I don't know who this is. I quit Dota 1 around 2009 or 2010 I think when I got hooked up to Brood Wars, then immediately SC2.
But from reading, I can say Orcale is quite a decent support hero.

I don't how her ulti works exactly, but I think it's like a pseudo-illusion/invulnerability/invisibility against enemies for an ally. Basically, all attacks and healing are delayed against the allied hero. Somewhat useful for your cores, but also pretty lethal if you didn't take the supposed damage into account, and did not heal immediately. How would you know if you already taken enough damage for you to die? When it ends ofc.

I don't know how effective Purifying Flames is in conjunction with her ulti. Since it also does instant damage, and healing is overtime. The ult's damage and healing is instant afterwards, so it'll probably be good, but seeing how it heals only a few HP, it'll probably be hard. It'll be a bother to cast it after the ult, since all damage is instant, and you don't know how much damage your allied took. It'll be better to have better healing sources like Hand of God.

Other than that, Purfiying Flames is a rather weak healing method. Only as effective for allies with low current health pool. It'll be more effective as a damaging spell, so long as the enemy is a sure kill.

As for her other skills. Both Fortune's End and Fate's Edict is good. Purge is always good, and 100% Spell Resistance and 50% Damage Amplification from other types of damage can be pretty situational.

Overall. Oracle's a rather situational support. Someone picks it in pubs, and most likely they'll lose. This hero needs some getting used to before they can decently play it.

I wouldn't mind getting her, but I would still love Pit/Abysmal Underlord to be brought first. I'm pretty sure I was still playing when he came out, and before his Expulsion was changed. He really changes the game.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2014, 06:28:56 AM
The first skill is basically a more reliable Alch stun.
You can make the enemy carry take 50% more damage from your carry's right clicks while also disarming them. Which is pretty good.
The third skill is like the old active on SK's crit, it really helps in bursting somebody down.
Oracle's ultimate is a 9 second Shallow Grave+Shadow Dance on a 20 second cooldown.

Alternative strats is to W E your allies in lane to give them lots of healing.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on November 16, 2014, 06:50:16 AM
Merlini once played Oracle while not knowing what a single thing he did. He declared the hero broken pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on November 16, 2014, 07:05:28 AM
You can make the enemy carry take 50% more damage from your carry's right clicks while also disarming them. Which is pretty good.
Is also good for a team against spell-based heroes. It helps survivability against projectile spells when you're being chased down. Have your carry get BKB, and once the duration ends, cast Edict and your carry gets a 100% Spell Resistance and still have him chop down heroes without the worry of huge nukes. Ofc he'll have to worry non-magic.
Oracle's ultimate is a 9 second Shallow Grave+Shadow Dance on a 20 second cooldown.
Except Shallow Grave makes you alive, even at the end, so long as you don't get hit by some measly damage after it. :V

Also Shadow Dance > False Promise

I think FP is detectable through True Sight, which would make Oracle's ult most viable for early to mid game, and for letting main cores survive long in battle.
Ofc it can also act like a distraction. If the health bar on enemies' view is also delayed, it could work as so they won't focus fire on the hero with the ult buff, since of course they'll be like "I don't know, have I dealt enough damage already? Do I stop attacking or should I keep attacking?". Which actually helps tremendously. :derp:
Alternative strats is to W E your allies in lane to give them lots of healing.
Oh wow you're right. I didn't see Purifying Flames is Magical. Full 396 Heal is possible at max, but ofc it's a bit mana costly early on. Her int gain is pretty decent though. Just have her get Arcane Boots and probably a Basillius to last in a lane longer.

With that in thought, it makes her ult a lot more viable for. With that healing, ofc it'll be better to cast at near end of the duration.
Merlini once played Oracle while not knowing what a single thing he did. He declared the hero broken pretty quickly.
Well the skills are pretty interesting to note.

I haven't played this hero as I've said before. But I'm already seeing some rather situationally good aspects. Still not as broken as Abyssal Underlord in clashes I think.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 16, 2014, 07:15:53 AM
Is also good for a team against spell-based heroes. It helps survivability against projectile spells when you're being chased down. Have your carry get BKB, and once the duration ends, cast Edict and your carry gets a 100% Spell Resistance and still have him chop down heroes without the worry of huge nukes. Ofc he'll have to worry non-magic.
You missed the part where the spell disarms whoever you cast it on.

Except Shallow Grave makes you alive, even at the end, so long as you don't get hit by some measly damage after it. :V

Also Shadow Dance > False Promise

I think FP is detectable through True Sight, which would make Oracle's ult most viable for early to mid game, and for letting main cores survive long in battle.
Ofc it can also act like a distraction. If the health bar on enemies' view is also delayed, it could work as so they won't focus fire on the hero with the ult buff, since of course they'll be like "I don't know, have I dealt enough damage already? Do I stop attacking or should I keep attacking?". Which actually helps tremendously. :derp:
It's 9 seconds of invulnerability. Even if your carry dies at the end, it should be more than enough time for them to wipe the enemy team.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on November 16, 2014, 07:27:55 AM
You missed the part where the spell disarms whoever you cast it on.
I should really read carefully more. :derp:
Still grants survivability atleast.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on November 16, 2014, 07:30:38 AM
Look. You just need to cast all your spells randomly, and you will probably win the game.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on November 16, 2014, 07:46:20 AM
Look. You just need to cast all your spells randomly, and you will probably win the game.
Pretty much how most Ogre players work.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on November 16, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
The first skill is basically a more reliable Alch stun.
You can make the enemy carry take 50% more damage from your carry's right clicks while also disarming them. Which is pretty good.
The third skill is like the old active on SK's crit, it really helps in bursting somebody down.
Oracle's ultimate is a 9 second Shallow Grave+Shadow Dance on a 20 second cooldown.

Alternative strats is to W E your allies in lane to give them lots of healing.

I asm a complete idiot at DotA and even I can tell that sounds absurdly OP.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: trancehime on November 16, 2014, 03:11:49 PM
Is also good for a team against spell-based heroes. It helps survivability against projectile spells when you're being chased down. Have your carry get BKB, and once the duration ends, cast Edict and your carry gets a 100% Spell Resistance and still have him chop down heroes without the worry of huge nukes. Ofc he'll have to worry non-magic.Except Shallow Grave makes you alive, even at the end, so long as you don't get hit by some measly damage after it. :V

Also Shadow Dance > False Promise

I think FP is detectable through True Sight, which would make Oracle's ult most viable for early to mid game, and for letting main cores survive long in battle.
Ofc it can also act like a distraction. If the health bar on enemies' view is also delayed, it could work as so they won't focus fire on the hero with the ult buff, since of course they'll be like "I don't know, have I dealt enough damage already? Do I stop attacking or should I keep attacking?". Which actually helps tremendously.

The effects of healing get doubled when used on someone under the effects of False Promise

just saying
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on November 16, 2014, 03:20:10 PM
The effects of healing get doubled when used on someone under the effects of False Promise

just saying
I'm confused on how gamepedia says it.
(http://i.imgur.com/ms4zqOT.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/nSXS7Es.png)

Now I clearly have no clue if it's provided at the end, or during the duration.

This is why I usually don't comment on the heroes I've never had the chance to play before in Dota 1 that's transitioning to Dota 2. :V
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Post by: trancehime on November 16, 2014, 03:43:24 PM
I'm confused on how gamepedia says it.

The way False Promise works is very similar to the Ghost Ship's Coco Rum effect, if the damage is 100% instead of 50%. Healing and damage do not get calculated on the hero until the duration of False Promise has ended. Once FP has ended, the damage and healing take effect. Healing gets doubled, so if you spam Purifying Flames on your FP target enough like I was always wont to do during my DOTA1 days, they actually end up coming out of FP usually with 80%~100% HP. Pretty much a 9s invulnerability really.
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Post by: Zerviscos on November 16, 2014, 04:00:41 PM
The way False Promise works is very similar to the Ghost Ship's Coco Rum effect, if the damage is 100% instead of 50%. Healing and damage do not get calculated on the hero until the duration of False Promise has ended. Once FP has ended, the damage and healing take effect. Healing gets doubled, so if you spam Purifying Flames on your FP target enough like I was always wont to do during my DOTA1 days, they actually end up coming out of FP usually with 80%~100% HP. Pretty much a 9s invulnerability really.
Now that is seriously broken.

Edit:
I just realized how f-in Protoss Oracle looks.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 21, 2014, 03:56:04 AM
I don't understand how Oracle only has a 39% winrate so far when the hero is so unbalanced.
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Post by: PX on November 21, 2014, 04:06:03 AM
Meepo. Wisp. :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 21, 2014, 04:09:39 AM
But Oracle isn't even hard to play, nor do you have to manage any secondary units.
Why are people so bad?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on November 21, 2014, 04:37:15 AM
why is dota such a hard game
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on November 21, 2014, 07:22:31 AM
So I just bought the PA Arcana.
But I'm looking at the market, what's the difference between the Pre-Order Bundle and the Non-Pre-Order one?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Amraphenson on November 21, 2014, 07:26:01 AM
"Pre-ordered Arcana bundles have the 'exalted' quality"
-not an actual quote
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Post by: Zerviscos on November 21, 2014, 08:03:01 AM
"Pre-ordered Arcana bundles have the 'exalted' quality"
-not an actual quote
Really? Then where's the non-exalted, already opened and used Arcanas on the market?

Also,
(http://i.imgur.com/NtBw5W3.png)
When game starts you "Smoke Weed Everyday.
When tower is getting destroyed just "Drop it Like it's Hot".

I am already thinking various shiz that's coming. :V

Edit:
Amra, the PA arcana is exalted from either bundle. Just opened mine. As long as it's before 7th Dec., it's Exalted.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 21, 2014, 11:30:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWw6H91RDsg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhV0faPf1oA

This game is too damn hard.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: trancehime on November 21, 2014, 11:55:40 AM
But Oracle isn't even hard to play, nor do you have to manage any secondary units.
Why are people so bad?

I dunno man, but when I was playing DotA1 on LAN i was the only person in my group who could win using Oracle...

people are dumb
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Helepolis on November 21, 2014, 12:46:45 PM
Pretty much how most Ogre players work.
I only skill shot with him.

The way False Promise works is very similar to the Ghost Ship's Coco Rum effect, if the damage is 100% instead of 50%. Healing and damage do not get calculated on the hero until the duration of False Promise has ended. Once FP has ended, the damage and healing take effect. Healing gets doubled, so if you spam Purifying Flames on your FP target enough like I was always wont to do during my DOTA1 days, they actually end up coming out of FP usually with 80%~100% HP. Pretty much a 9s invulnerability really.
Keine's skills comes in mind from DotS. And Keine was released before Oracle and the others were in Dota1 if I am not mistaking.

Also,
(http://i.imgur.com/NtBw5W3.png)
When game starts you "Smoke Weed Everyday.
When tower is getting destroyed just "Drop it Like it's Hot".

I am already thinking various shiz that's coming. :V
Fund/support this. Seriously, if he would personally announce it, it will probably be the first DotA2 item I will buy in my life.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on November 21, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
So I just bought the PA Arcana.

RIP wallet.

Gonna be a lot of PAs around I bet, so how best to counter her? :)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on November 21, 2014, 05:03:43 PM
RIP wallet.

Gonna be a lot of PAs around I bet, so how best to counter her? :)

Hex
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Helepolis on November 21, 2014, 05:52:42 PM
Stun
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on November 22, 2014, 12:20:10 AM
I kinda wanna blow money on that PA shit but I don't actually like playing as PA. Need parties, gib treasures with shit I don't really want that badly.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on November 22, 2014, 02:13:10 AM
RIP wallet.
Wallet? You mean my real life money? In fact I never even spent a dime.
I get all my steam money from betting. I currently have $124 on Steam right now, and more items on the lounge that I haven't even sold yet. :derp:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 25, 2014, 01:39:32 PM
Keeping track of things in teamfights is too damn hard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpA50bfC8zA).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on November 25, 2014, 03:43:48 PM
RIP wallet.

Gonna be a lot of PAs around I bet, so how best to counter her? :)

Pray to RNGesus, since that is what that hero is.

Seriously; PA makes Ogre look like a scrub. Everything about her is a % chance to crit and a % evasion. Even her dagger can crit; and her Phantom Strike makes her attack fast which gives her a larger chance to get a crit quickly. At least Ogre is functional if he dosen't Multicast. He still has a stun; slow and pretty decent buff.

Also I'll add to the list of counters and say Disarm and Ghost Secptre. Silence combined with a slow is pretty handy too.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Amraphenson on November 25, 2014, 06:49:33 PM
MKB and hex.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Pesco on November 25, 2014, 10:22:10 PM
Death is the best disable
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 25, 2014, 11:40:52 PM
Gonna be a lot of PAs around I bet, so how best to counter her? :)
Easy (http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/2/26/Doom_ability_doom_05.mp3).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on November 26, 2014, 01:04:28 AM
Hex still wins games :|
If your entire team farms a hex, then I give you a 99.99+.01% chance of winning the game
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 26, 2014, 02:00:34 AM
That also means that your entire team was ahead enough to be able to farm a hex.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: TheCrimsonfireball on November 26, 2014, 02:04:28 AM
Speaking of hex, can you use Bkb while your hero is hexed?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 26, 2014, 02:05:50 AM
No, you can't.
You can't use any items or skills while you're hexed, and most passives are disabled.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on November 26, 2014, 02:12:53 AM
That also means that your entire team was ahead enough to be able to farm a hex.

Or everybody rushes for a hex, you don't have to be ahead to farm a hex
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 26, 2014, 02:28:19 AM
Hex has a horrendous build up, you know.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on November 26, 2014, 08:07:37 AM
I don't understand how Oracle only has a 39% winrate so far when the hero is so unbalanced.

People that spam purifying flames while not using false promise
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dorakyura on November 26, 2014, 08:29:06 AM
Easy (http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/2/26/Doom_ability_doom_05.mp3).

But she can still crit your face and dodge and lifeleech
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Helepolis on November 26, 2014, 08:33:02 AM
Seriously; PA makes Ogre look like a scrub. Everything about her is a % chance to crit and a % evasion. Even her dagger can crit; and her Phantom Strike makes her attack fast which gives her a larger chance to get a crit quickly. At least Ogre is functional if he dosen't Multicast.
Blademail.

and pretty decent buff.
? ? ? decent?

But she can still crit your face and dodge and lifeleech
Doom disables blur right?


PS: Pesco is right here. Death is best disable.

Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 26, 2014, 08:43:20 AM
Doom only disables evasion, and most other passives, if you have an Aghanim's Scepter.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: trancehime on November 26, 2014, 09:11:44 AM
Or everybody rushes for a hex, you don't have to be ahead to farm a hex

how does one rush for a hex when they're not ahead and two of the components cost over 2000 gold

kindly explain

Seriously; PA makes Ogre look like a scrub. Everything about her is a % chance to crit and a % evasion. Even her dagger can crit; and her Phantom Strike makes her attack fast which gives her a larger chance to get a crit quickly. At least Ogre is functional if he dosen't Multicast. He still has a stun; slow and pretty decent buff.

Bloodlust is approximately 45% of the reason why hes picked in comp

The rest of it comes from multicast
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Helepolis on November 26, 2014, 09:12:57 AM
PX, I honestly think you're sometimes on drugs man.

Farming Hex? Rushing? As support? How-to-gold?


@ Dormio

I missed a change then because I thought Agh increased duration and kept the duration fixed as long as Lucifer and victim are in range. So now Doom disables active skills in general but with Agh also disables the passive effects (Which used to be disabled afaik before without agh)?

Edit: Play dota states that Doom disables most passives. No mention of Agh required for this. Agh bonus adds inc duration and the counter freeze. So not sure suddenly what this is about. Unless the wc3 and steam versions are having discrepancies..

Edit 2 Corrected by Hime-chan
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: trancehime on November 26, 2014, 09:14:57 AM
I missed a change then because I thought Agh increased duration and kept the duration fixed as long as Lucifer and victim are in range. So now Doom disables active skills in general but with Agh also disables the passive effects (Which used to be disabled afaik before without agh)?

this was a change that happened in this patch regarding Doom. Doom now only disables actives without aghanim's.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Helepolis on November 26, 2014, 09:21:32 AM
this was a change that happened in this patch regarding Doom. Doom now only disables actives without aghanim's.
Right, I guess I missed that for sure. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dorakyura on November 26, 2014, 04:43:26 PM
Does a person affected by Oracle ult die, when he has Shallow Grave active?
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Post by: Zerviscos on November 27, 2014, 10:44:05 AM
Does a person affected by Oracle ult die, when he has Shallow Grave active?
If Shallow Grave is still active after Oracle's ult. No.


Anyways, srz PA Arcana pays for itself. I practically have bundles of my old sets, and 2 TB Arcanas. TBH. I can sell my old sets, since I can't sell the bundles I got, might as well keep it and sell my sellable sets.

I want to sell the Arcanas though. I want an Exalted quality.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on November 28, 2014, 05:53:11 PM
Wait, what exactly do you get for fulfilling PA contracts?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Amraphenson on November 28, 2014, 07:13:43 PM
trophies and occasionally full cosmetic sets.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on November 30, 2014, 01:00:27 PM
My GPM and XPM though.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1060596093
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on November 30, 2014, 04:28:42 PM
Enemy team heavily reliant on magic damage, featuring Wraith King, Skywrath Mage, Disruptor, Tiny and Puck.

Phoenix too stronk. I could literally just swoop behind them, ult, and they'd be stuck between Team BKB and Phoenix.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dorakyura on December 01, 2014, 09:16:15 AM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1061749890

this fucking centaur.
He was like "you are all shitty players" during lane phase. He fed some time, noone came to gank top (because we ganked their jungle, mid and bot lane) and he goes like "I build rapier" and farms top for 20 minutes.

We were forced to fight 4v5 the rest of the game.
Later, he got a rapier and he almost fed it to the enemy during a fight. Doom droped his midas and picked it up, I did hide the rapier the rest of the game behind some trees in our base.
If he would have fed the rapier, we would have lost that game.

I hope the enemy reported the arshole aswell, 4 reports won't do much.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 01, 2014, 10:17:31 AM
That story reminds me of a game I had a while ago: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/947532218

The Warlock on our team is one of my friends and he is super trash at DotA.
Like, he lacks map awareness, has shitty mechanics, doesn't know how to support (or carry or roam or jungle or play any role in general), auto attacks creeps in lane, abandons the lane to farm the jungle at the most random times, etc.
Normally, this guy lanes with one of my friends who likes to play the carry role and is pretty good at it. Good enough that he can still get decent farm despite having the Warlock player fucking up his lane.
Anyway, my friend went offlane Ogre with my other friend on the PotM, leaving the pub Luna to lane with the Warlock.
The first comment that my friends and I made was that this Luna was not going to be happy about having this Warlock in his lane.
The Luna was not happy that he had that Warlock in his lane.
After about 10 minutes of having the Warlock refuse to use skills, auto attack creeps, compete for last hits (the Warlock is terrible at last hitting, by the way), disappearing into the jungle for God knows what reason, and whatever else this guy does in lane, the Luna apologized to me and my two other friends, saying that he couldn't let this Warlock win, and began just A-clicking down a lane whenever he was alive.
Me and two other friends friends just laughed, because we all understood the Luna's pain.
We won anyway.
The Warlock, to this day, thinks that the Luna is shit and that it's not his fault that the lane was going badly for the Luna.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 01, 2014, 04:10:31 PM
What's the proper item buying order for a carry like PA?
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Post by: Zerviscos on December 01, 2014, 04:36:04 PM
What's the proper item buying order for a carry like PA?
Early:
1. Quelling Blade
2. Some tangos
3. A Stout shield

Decent early farm:
Core:
1. Phase Boots
2. Battlefury[You need it at around 13 mins at the least, if you didn't prioritize Phase Boots, or got a good early farm. 15 mins average(This is AM's max), and 20 mins max. Beyond that you're pretty much underfarmed].
3. Dominator
4. BKB

Situational/Extension
5. Skull Basher
6a. MKB
6b. Butterfly(Diminishing Evasion stack, but the new B.Fly can give you movespeed)
6c. Vladimir over Dominator
6c1. Desolator if you got Vladimir over Dominator

Luxury
5l. Abyssal Blade
3l. Satanic
1l. Boots of Travel

Contested farm/Gapped
Core:
1. Phase Boots
2. Dominator
3. BKB
4. Skull Basher

Situational/Extension
5a. Butterfly
5b. Assault Cuirass
6. MKB

Luxury
4l. Abyssal Blade
2l. Satanic
1l. Boots of Travel

Basically when I'm gapped, I take out fury, and get straight to what I can actually use to clash.

Why Phase over Threads? Simply put, mobility and damage. You last hit better with the dmg, and higher crit dmg. While threads give you bonus stats, and atk speed, the PRD on PA's ult, you rely more on Phantom Strike than the actually dps that threads give. You need mobility, to chase, to flee, and to walk(run) faster from point A to point B. Also Phasing isn't a bad thing.

That's my build. I dunno what the others do with theirs.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on December 01, 2014, 08:43:37 PM
How most PA games go when rushing Battlefury:
You finish Battlefury at minute 24, and are missing 2 sets of raxes

Do not go Battlefury :|
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 01, 2014, 10:36:11 PM
Battlefury is fine, provided you get it at an appropriate timing.
Appropriate being around or before 13 minutes.
If you get it later than that, then you're probably losing your lane horribly/farming horribly and you probably deserve to lose that game.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 02, 2014, 12:21:37 AM
How the hell are you supposed to get Battlefury that quickly? @_@
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Amraphenson on December 02, 2014, 12:32:30 AM
four creeps every thirty seconds for thirteen minutes is about 400 per minute
catapults spawn every seventh wave or three and a half minutes starting at three minutes for like 60-80 gold each
100 passive gold a minute
a tower or two
jungle creeps
kills and assists

Assuming you grab boots and other stuff first, you could feasibly get a battlefury by like 11 minutes just on 500gpm, which is passive gold+every creep in the wave only. Other stuff will happen in lane that may increase or decrease your gpm.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 02, 2014, 12:36:30 AM
As Amra said, you don't miss last hits and you should have your battlefury and boots by around the 10 minute mark. You don't even need towers or kill/assist gold.
A little bit of leeway is given because DotA isn't a single player experience, but it definitely should not be slower than 13 minutes assuming you haven't lost your lane.

Also, I never remember that Invoker has this skill called Sunstrike whenever he is on the enemy team (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3icpS7TRIg).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 02, 2014, 12:43:00 AM
I keep missing last hits, even against bots, or just not getting to the appropriate amount. I guess I need to up my last hit game to really be able to play carries properly.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: yuyukos on December 02, 2014, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: Dormio Ergo Sum link=topic=17467.msg1146922#msg1146922 date=1417480590
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3icpS7TRIg
Also, I never remember that Invoker has this skill called Sunstrike whenever he is on the enemy team[/url].
"Wait."
 :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on December 02, 2014, 03:46:23 AM
I keep missing last hits, even against bots, or just not getting to the appropriate amount. I guess I need to up my last hit game to really be able to play carries properly.
Assuming you're playing a pub game. What Amra and Dormio said is practically an ideal situation.

DK's Burning at one point with an Anti-Mage, had one of the, probably the earliest Battlefury in the competitive scene, during G-1 League in 2012, in around 11 mins, and that's without Power Threads. Although consider the fact he had got first blood, and uncontested farm, still he can miss a few last hits.

15 mins is the usual average for most pub players, and 12-13 mins is the least time for uncontested farm(assume you don't get a few last hits). 20 mins is the max for a "Recovery" Battlefury, since you're entering Middle Phase of the game, farming the jungle as fast as you can will be ideal for later time. Although if you're playing AM, 15 mins is the max time, and Fury should be gotten at around 12-13 mins average.

15-20(Recovery) mins is still considered ideal in pub games. And you'll see people saying it so. But try to get it at around 12-13 mins if you're uncontested in farming.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 02, 2014, 04:34:36 AM
Your farm shouldn't be contested much though though unless you're losing your lane/missing last hits for no reason.
Like, what's an off laner going to do to you in the safe lane?
And if you're being camped by the opposing mid, that should mean that your mid wins since they should have a huge exp/gold advantage over the enemy mid.

Also, 15 minutes is the timing you get your battlefury at if you want to be flamed for failing to last hit in my games. :derp:
Like, if you're farming poorly, why even bother with the battlefury?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on December 02, 2014, 05:06:02 AM
Your farm shouldn't be contested much though though unless you're losing your lane/missing last hits for no reason.
Like, what's an off laner going to do to you in the safe lane?
And if you're being camped by the opposing mid, that should mean that your mid wins since they should have a huge exp/gold advantage over the enemy mid.
Pub games. Not everything can happen ideally for you and your team. 15 mins is still considered the average by most people even in the competitive scene, even if you consider it poorly farmed. Even Mercale managed to snag a Fury at the 15 min mark. Even KotlGuy and Maut commented that a 12 min Fury is the practical ideal average in the Pro Scene.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Amraphenson on December 02, 2014, 05:10:03 AM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/959125147 / http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/962935810 I did mediocre these games and I had a battlefury/poorman's/boots at 12.

the point isn't 'oh fifteen is the average dw about it', it's that for the item to be really worth it you need to nab it at like 12. Otherwise you should grab some other item and stop building the battlefury.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on December 02, 2014, 05:54:28 AM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/959125147 / http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/962935810 I did mediocre these games and I had a battlefury/poorman's/boots at 12.

the point isn't 'oh fifteen is the average dw about it', it's that for the item to be really worth it you need to nab it at like 12. Otherwise you should grab some other item and stop building the battlefury.
I also do mediocore on my PA. And I still get 12-13 mins Fury on PA with Phase and Poor Man's.

Battlefury's effectiveness isn't as diminishing until it enters the middle game. That's why 15 mins average is still considered good. Even above 12 mins, if you can still build Fury before 20 mins, it's fine.

It's like saying people who build Recovery Midas after 12-15 mins are bad, when it actually isn't, considering the type of match they're playing.
You can still catch up. You're playing a carry for the late game.

I have a friend whose 5.3k MMR, and one of the Top 100 Naga Siren Players in the world(61st), even he considers a 15 min fury good.
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/101777286
http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/naga-siren/players
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Amraphenson on December 02, 2014, 07:48:58 AM
dormio was like 32nd legion commander a few weeks ago.
let me say this differently then: if I knew absolutely for sure that I wasn't finishing a battle fury by 15, I wouldn't start it.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 02, 2014, 08:02:47 AM
I also entered top 100 Oracles apparently.
:derp:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Helepolis on December 02, 2014, 08:15:32 AM
This is one of the reasons I don't play carry role because I know all the pro or average farming times will be missed and thus being a burden on team. That aside, I don't find carry role interesting + I've also stopped playing "serious" support long long ago because no matter which counter/useful support I picked, people didn't sync proper or kept on whining about every single thing.

Hence I went Brogre Magi for the last 193 games in All Dicks. He is also fun because he only has skill shots.


I respect the people trying hard to be w/e MMR / ranking but I'll take it easy. I think. I hope. I guess.





Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Pesco on December 02, 2014, 09:43:00 AM
Hele just stop having fun.

Get your battlefury at 30 minutes and not give a firetruck :D
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Helepolis on December 02, 2014, 10:05:12 AM
Battlefury E maxed Ogre? Does that even work?

Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 02, 2014, 10:37:05 AM
Does that even work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZobqKSSGPw
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Helepolis on December 02, 2014, 12:11:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZobqKSSGPw
lol the refresher Sunder.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on December 02, 2014, 12:34:53 PM
let me say this differently then: if I knew absolutely for sure that I wasn't finishing a battle fury by 15, I wouldn't start it.
Well that was the point. If someone doesn't have atleast some parts of a fury by 10 mins. Then clearly he's gapped, and should just skip it.

Since we were on the topic of battle fury. I think this is appropriate.
Other than increased GPM, cleave is nice too in clashes, don't you think? [Around 1:50]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKV6wwAXh-U

This was practically a base race. I dunno if the latter team was doing the same.
I nearly lost all hope in that game, especially defending without PL. Then two of the PRNDG Gods, namely PA and Ogre comes through.

Edit: Why I bought Yasha, was because I know I can't get an Abyssal or Satanic in time. I had 4k Gold before I bought back. Buyback was 1.7k, so I had one chance to defend, which made me buy a Yasha so I could atleast use my reserve gold for one last defend. If I won that, I would transition it to either Manta, or SnY. Manta is the better option for the game...but hey, just end the game ASAP.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 04, 2014, 04:19:19 PM
Early:
1. Quelling Blade
2. Some tangos
3. A Stout shield

Decent early farm:
Core:
1. Phase Boots
2. Battlefury[You need it at around 13 mins at the least, if you didn't prioritize Phase Boots, or got a good early farm. 15 mins average(This is AM's max), and 20 mins max. Beyond that you're pretty much underfarmed].
3. Dominator
4. BKB

Situational/Extension
5. Skull Basher
6a. MKB
6b. Butterfly(Diminishing Evasion stack, but the new B.Fly can give you movespeed)
6c. Vladimir over Dominator
6c1. Desolator if you got Vladimir over Dominator

Luxury
5l. Abyssal Blade
3l. Satanic
1l. Boots of Travel

Contested farm/Gapped
Core:
1. Phase Boots
2. Dominator
3. BKB
4. Skull Basher

Situational/Extension
5a. Butterfly
5b. Assault Cuirass
6. MKB

Luxury
4l. Abyssal Blade
2l. Satanic
1l. Boots of Travel

Basically when I'm gapped, I take out fury, and get straight to what I can actually use to clash.

Why Phase over Threads? Simply put, mobility and damage. You last hit better with the dmg, and higher crit dmg. While threads give you bonus stats, and atk speed, the PRD on PA's ult, you rely more on Phantom Strike than the actually dps that threads give. You need mobility, to chase, to flee, and to walk(run) faster from point A to point B. Also Phasing isn't a bad thing.

That's my build. I dunno what the others do with theirs.

Followed this advice. Definitely helped me out by not being a noob with a 30-min Battlefury. Thanks, now I can feel competent. I also followed Amra's advice of not starting Battlefury if I know I won't finish it by 15 minutes, and despite feeding early to Bristleback/Sand King tagteam, I managed to carry the team late after Axe and Earth Spirit carried early. \o/
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on December 04, 2014, 05:07:47 PM
Followed this advice. Definitely helped me out by not being a noob with a 30-min Battlefury. Thanks, now I can feel competent. I also followed Amra's advice of not starting Battlefury if I know I won't finish it by 15 minutes, and despite feeding early to Bristleback/Sand King tagteam, I managed to carry the team late after Axe and Earth Spirit carried early. \o/
Recovery Battlefury isn't bad, and can still be substantial. Pretty much the same reason for Recovery Midas.
There's only 2 things to consider if you're going for it:
1. Parts you have.
If you got a good farm from lane, and already have some parts of the fury(not just one), but was somehow ganked multiple times, or the lane just got hard for you to continue. You have a choice to sway away from the build entirely, sell the parts, or continue the fury in either another time(build core first, even if you have the Battlefury parts. Try to clash with team, and build the Fury even after 20 mins if you have the money, just before 25 mins.) if you can, or go straight for a recovery(before 20 mins).

2. Current Situation of the game.
If you think you can still shoot for a recovery Battlefury before 20 mins, and know you can and need the farm, then go for it. This is only viable if your enemy doesn't push out nor gank much, or if you know the situation of your team vs them can handle making space for you for the late game.

Recovery Battlefury is good since it still is before the mid-game, where you'll be needing so much farm. Since you're shooting for late game, fury gives you the increased GPM, since you're practically clearing your jungle with ease. Just don't try to build it if you really can't...From my experience, PA is one of the slowest farming hard carries in the game.

I had loads of matches where I built 18-19 min Fury. Still managed to catch up to a fully early free-farmed enemy carry.
This is one of those.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1068639927
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 06, 2014, 02:08:53 PM
Amra showing off his professional mana management skills. Not that it mattered. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZShA4wycME)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 06, 2014, 06:09:27 PM
No Diretide, no Frostivus, and no New Bloom gamemode.

DOTA is dead.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Amraphenson on December 06, 2014, 08:52:23 PM
new bloom's fucking chinese new year dude calm your ogre titties
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 07, 2014, 12:28:15 AM
new bloom's fucking chinese new year dude calm your ogre titties

I know what New Bloom is, but they announced on the website they won't develop a game mode for it like they did last year. 8(
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dr Rawr on December 07, 2014, 06:24:47 PM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1075219012

Does anyone else find really close games to be fun?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 08, 2014, 12:12:18 AM
I prefer dominating. (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1076652170)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 08, 2014, 12:49:08 AM
I prefer dominating. (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1076652170)
You call that puny 25k exp lead "dominating"? (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1050531734)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 08, 2014, 04:42:09 AM
You call that puny 25k exp lead "dominating"? (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1050531734)

We took 14 minutes less to seal the deal, so regardless of XP difference, we still dominated harder. :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 08, 2014, 05:09:20 AM
We took 14 minutes less to seal the deal, so regardless of XP difference, we still dominated harder. :V
If you want fast ancient destruction (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/86851237)...
Or even faster (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/182885070).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on December 08, 2014, 03:48:10 PM
If you want fast ancient destruction (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/86851237)...
Or even faster (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/182885070).
How about a game where you managed to mega creeps an Enemy team, and still managed to lose 'cause Cleave is so OP. Not just 1 cleave, but double cleave.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1075261014

We had the whole map to ourselves, but the exp wasn't enough. Nor was the gold. It was at that point of the game where megas are the enemies' gold and xp, while we stick to the jungle, and can't even get their creeps. That's why they exceeded both xpm and gpm.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 08, 2014, 05:08:45 PM
>three Rapiers
wow
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on December 08, 2014, 06:44:58 PM
>Meepo has 3 eblades
>0 Hexes on team

I wonder why you lost :/
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 08, 2014, 07:30:14 PM
How about a game where you managed to mega creeps an Enemy team, and still managed to lose 'cause Cleave is so OP. Not just 1 cleave, but double cleave.
I had the reverse happen. The enemy team got mega creeps by the 40 minute mark. 50 minutes of mega creeps later, we won.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/630344128
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on December 09, 2014, 03:43:31 AM
>Meepo has 3 eblades
>0 Hexes on team

I wonder why you lost :/
We used to had Hex(3 of us, Mirana, Meepo, and me), sold it to transition to DPS carries, get BKBs and stuff. Since we can't even last 4 secs against Sven and PA's cleave. They BKB, we instantly get killed. We can't initiate first too or get a Ghost Scepter, since it's far too late in the game where an Invoker just massively counters everyone.

About Meepo's eblades. You wouldn't believe how much Agi he has on all Meepos. It gives 200+ Dmg per .50 secs on every Meepo, which effectively gives him 2000+ DPS and around ?65% Physical Resistance. We were already losing around 30 - 40 mins when their carries had enough farm. Meepo was just ratting. He can actually rat the base with backdoor protection. The problem is, Sven wouldn't leave the base at all, which practically counters Meepo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDsRcUqtgM

Now if only MKB Meepo affects all Meepos.

TBH though, the Meepo is fast and good. Can Poof before Blink Dagger instead of usual Blink Dagger then Poof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qLIG75FPDU
I had the reverse happen. The enemy team got mega creeps by the 40 minute mark. 50 minutes of mega creeps later, we won.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/630344128
Cleave too stronk.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on December 09, 2014, 04:32:22 AM
How about. How about this. You stay far away from each other. So that he can't cleave anyone? Then Hex him the instant bkb ends. Also get force/Blink so you can kite them around
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 09, 2014, 04:53:00 AM
TBH though, the Meepo is fast and good. Can Poof before Blink Dagger instead of usual Blink Dagger then Poof.
Uh, isn't this normal? Who the fuck blinks, then poofs?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on December 09, 2014, 05:44:49 AM
How about. How about this. You stay far away from each other. So that he can't cleave anyone? Then Hex him the instant bkb ends. Also get force/Blink so you can kite them around
If it was that easy, we wouldn't have lost. I told you, Invoker is at that point where he just completely counters everyone. Even if we perma hex Sven, we have to deal with PA. In this game PA > AM. We were going for BKB so we could atleast not get stunned nor disabled, so we can just disengage a fight. We just can't do it since neuts xp and g is not giving that out much anymore since all of us needs it. It's at that point where mega creeps always coming in your base gives you gold advantage.

If we had a Centaur ult we could disengage and kite easy.
Uh, isn't this normal? Who the fuck blinks, then poofs?
Mostly everyone in the average scene as far as I'm seeing most Meepo plays in matches. You know, blink, earthbind, then poof, then earthbind, geostrike, etc.

What I like about his Meepo is the rat. Everything else is normal. Except the fact he just buys Eths whenever he likes.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 09, 2014, 06:20:01 AM
If we had a Centaur ult we could disengage and kite easy.Mostly everyone in the average scene as far as I'm seeing most Meepo plays in matches. You know, blink, earthbind, then poof, then earthbind, geostrike, etc.
This virtually never happens in my games unless it's one of the 4k account buyers (I still don't understand why anyone would buy a 4k account) playing the Meepo.
1.5 seconds of doing nothing is way too long.

Also virtually never seen in my games is the eblade Meepo.
Everyone buys the sheep and snowballs off it.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on December 09, 2014, 06:27:07 AM
Carries should learn to stop farming when  they're 6 slotted and have buyback guaranteed :/
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on December 09, 2014, 06:35:31 AM
Carries should learn to stop farming when  they're 6 slotted and have buyback guaranteed :/
Our AM doesn't even have Abyssal. :V
Also virtually never seen in my games is the eblade Meepo.
Everyone buys the sheep and snowballs off it.
Well his reason was the stats for the rat.

He used to gank and snowball with sheepstick, but when it was around 30 mins, he bought eblade for the stats on each Meepo.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dular on December 10, 2014, 08:11:48 PM
Once again, Dorminoob appears in fails of the week. (http://youtu.be/t4bQWVa5hos?t=6m7s)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 10, 2014, 08:54:33 PM
That teamfight was amazing and totally worth.
Also, what do you mean by "Once again"? That's the first time I've managed to get onto the fails.

The full fight is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpA50bfC8zA
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dular on December 11, 2014, 05:37:39 AM
Also, what do you mean by "Once again"? That's the first time I've managed to get onto the fails.

I think everyone who watches fails expects the MotK group to appear.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 11, 2014, 05:49:05 AM
But I was playing in a 2 man Australian stack.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raitaki on December 13, 2014, 07:19:33 AM
hiatus = improvement? (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1087064505)  (everyone but WD are my usual dota 2 friends who frequently get high skill matches, including this one)
them midases tho, wakaranai
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 15, 2014, 12:02:34 PM
That is a very fast Butterfly on the Al- oh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rKw5uNJs7c).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 30, 2014, 08:09:25 AM
I read some guides, I think I've finally stopped sucking at Carry. (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1126871148) PA is so much fun. Knife, Medallion, Blink in and one-hit crit.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on December 30, 2014, 08:16:10 AM
help me dota is too hard a game
casting in progress
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on December 30, 2014, 08:22:08 AM
@Just: Moar last hits!
Also, you shouldn't buy medallion.
If you really want that armor reduction, tell one of the supports on your team to pick it up and use it for you.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 30, 2014, 08:34:29 AM
@Just: Moar last hits!
Also, you shouldn't buy medallion.
If you really want that armor reduction, tell one of the supports on your team to pick it up and use it for you.

I've had some pretty good results with it, since it lets me Roshan, and get a lot of kills in. Since I go full pub drafts I usually don't get supports (that want to get it).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on December 30, 2014, 10:17:54 AM
I've had some pretty good results with it, since it lets me Roshan, and get a lot of kills in. Since I go full pub drafts I usually don't get supports (that want to get it).
PA crits like a truck. I also don't think you should medallion. She's certainly one of the fastest solo Roshan'ers amongst the hard carries.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on December 31, 2014, 03:31:15 AM
Does Medallion not work with crits?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on December 31, 2014, 03:48:31 AM
Does Medallion not work with crits?
It's not that. It's just that you'll be better off buying something else, and leaving the medallion to a support. :derp:
I mean, you'll eventually sell the medallion later anyways.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on January 07, 2015, 11:10:21 PM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1147732212

Pipe was on the way when we won, but I felt so incredibly tanky as KotL here. Shitting ponies and Mana all over the group. Ogre Magi was having a blast... multi-casted.

--

In more relevant news, I have like a 60+% winrate with PA now, and I kinda have figured out how I want to build her depending on teams now. F'rinstance, I go Battlefury if I can get it before 15 mins and if I'm the 1 position carry; if I'm offlane, mid lane or get ganked too much such that off or mid has a better carry, I grab Medallion and go ganking around. She's a pretty fun hero that way.

Issue is now whenever I play support I get the farm bugs and forget to support my team mates enough, whoops. I tend to jungle/roam CM and usually grab force staff -> BKB (when I am close, I start skilling ult, unless enemies have melee reliance and no good disables, then ult early)

"Very high skill" no longer bothers me as much anymore as I feel I'm finally at a level where I can say I have some skill, rather than flounder about ignorantly. 8)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on January 21, 2015, 10:45:28 AM
Rushings Aghs as Rooftrellen is stupid, after enough time you have vision all over the fucking field.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on January 21, 2015, 10:54:32 AM
Assuming that you haven't already lost by that point, given tree farming over other heroes on the team to rush that aghs. :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on January 21, 2015, 02:20:10 PM
Assuming that you haven't already lost by that point, given tree farming over other heroes on the team to rush that aghs. :V

It's cool man, I just farm heroes.

I think it's OK if you already have a hard carry and a hard support, so Rooftrellen can focus on getting some items. Once you have the Aghs you can farm all jungle camps at once so Carry Tree is a possibility.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dr Rawr on January 31, 2015, 07:14:54 PM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1200827371

Several game lengths records were broken last night. Also game is to hard.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on January 31, 2015, 08:44:25 PM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1200827371

Several game lengths records were broken last night. Also game is to hard.

5 BKBs vs 5 Aghs
Well played
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Amraphenson on January 31, 2015, 08:54:37 PM
scepters>bars
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on February 06, 2015, 06:37:42 AM
SO
NEW BOX BTS COMING UP

Means i'll be opening shit with 3/5 sets I don't want

We all know what that means! Even though there's a trade restriction I can still give them away once the time limit is over ye

It's called Treasure of the Frigid Beyond ye
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 06, 2015, 07:11:46 PM
Trade restriction sucks.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dr Rawr on February 07, 2015, 01:06:15 AM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1217629136

5 randoms vs 5randoms into 5repicks

also the worst exp graph ever
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 10, 2015, 07:48:57 PM
New Bloom Festival video, did I spot a Winter Wyvern there?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: trancehime on February 11, 2015, 10:08:02 AM
New Bloom Festival video, did I spot a Winter Wyvern there?

winter wyvern confirmed, check the part 2 comic on New Bloom
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on February 11, 2015, 10:12:57 AM
CM NEEDS ARCANA BOIS. CM BEST SUPPORT. CM BEST HERO.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: trancehime on February 11, 2015, 10:21:29 AM
CM NEEDS ARCANA BOIS. CM BEST SUPPORT. CM BEST HERO.

CM arcana is confirmed; there's an aura asset for it probably a new cape
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dorakyura on February 11, 2015, 01:15:07 PM
new cape

 >:(
My CM cape has all my stones slots
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 11, 2015, 01:19:40 PM
I AM HYPE AS FUCK CM ARCANA AND WINTER WYVERN YES

EDIT: CM Arcana revealed. Not as impressive as I'd initially hoped for, but I'll take it. Or I would, had I the disposable income lying around. Maybe scrounge some up...!

EDIT EDIT:
Quote
Additionally, sets from Treasures will now also be giftable in the same way during their initial market/trade restricted date, so if you want to give a friend an item for his favorite hero, you will be able to use the updated gifting system.

Thanks Volvo, now we can still trade items to our friends, but one time only.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on February 12, 2015, 05:46:29 AM
EDIT: CM Arcana revealed. Not as impressive as I'd initially hoped for, but I'll take it. Or I would, had I the disposable income lying around. Maybe scrounge some up...!

EDIT EDIT:
Thanks Volvo, now we can still trade items to our friends, but one time only.
I don't think there are any other ways  for a CM arcana to work...A weapon would just be too redundant, since most Arcanas, esp by carries are already weapon-based(Disappointed by PA's Arcana, when I want to also use her Immortal).
Hair wouldn't also work, nor any other parts.

But you have to agree...her levitating, and a puppy companion. CLEARLY 10/10

Lina: I heard you also got an Arcana. Just remember this bitch, I was first.
Crystal Maiden: So what if you were first? Everyone knows you were just the testing phase. I can float more elegantly, have a better loadout and stand, and  I also have this cute pup who I can summon anytime I want whenever I feel lonely. What do you have? Burning hair? OH LINA.

:dealwithit:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 12, 2015, 06:43:56 AM
I had a convo with my friend that basically consisted of, "I think Lina's arcana could use a bonus, it's pretty lame compared to all the newer Arcanas."
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dorakyura on February 12, 2015, 11:16:11 AM
Now, what if you combine impatient maiden with that Arcana?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on February 12, 2015, 12:58:29 PM
#bought
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dorakyura on February 12, 2015, 04:18:02 PM
#bought

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/634/023/4a5.gif)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 12, 2015, 04:30:55 PM
#bought

Eye'm jelly. Does it come with a gem?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Pesco on February 12, 2015, 06:35:32 PM
It comes with a promise of an arcana at a later date.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 12, 2015, 06:44:04 PM
It comes with a promise of an arcana at a later date.

Oh, yeah, I just checked, "can't be opened until New Bloom". Bah.

I toyed with Winter Wyvern on the test client, and I can't get her to work. Maybe maxing Arctic Burn is a bad idea.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dorakyura on February 13, 2015, 09:00:11 AM
Oh, yeah, I just checked, "can't be opened until New Bloom". Bah.

I toyed with Winter Wyvern on the test client, and I can't get her to work. Maybe maxing Arctic Burn is a bad idea.

Situational I would say.
In a 3lane situation you want to have at least one level in Cold Embrace and max Splinter Blast pretty fast. Though Arctic Burn should be maxed second.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: trancehime on February 13, 2015, 09:11:53 AM
Lina: I heard you also got an Arcana. Just remember this bitch, I was first.
Crystal Maiden: So what if you were first? Everyone knows you were just the testing phase. I can float more elegantly, have a better loadout and stand, and  I also have this cute pup who I can summon anytime I want whenever I feel lonely. What do you have? Burning hair? OH LINA.

TIL the puppey doge can block neutral camp spawns

Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 13, 2015, 08:01:12 PM
As of writing, about ~45 minutes until New Year Beast Brawl. WTB party
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 18, 2015, 09:35:38 PM
New Year Beast Brawl against Warlock and Undying is stupid as fuck.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 18, 2015, 09:43:33 PM
10 consecutive year beast brawl wins for me.
Easiest sets of my life.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Pesco on February 19, 2015, 01:03:50 AM
Can we do that thing where you use my acc and get me the wins? You can gift yourself all the drops.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 19, 2015, 02:15:34 AM
After I farm myself 8k points for goldhorn, sure.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on February 19, 2015, 04:41:41 AM
New Year Beast Brawl against Warlock and Undying is stupid as fuck.

Had a pub earlier telling me to pick Warlock and Unding in Spanish the entire pick phase. I highlighted Skeleton King and picked Undying at 1 second left :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: helvetica on February 19, 2015, 05:08:28 AM
TIL the puppey doge can block neutral camp spawns
Umm... that should get patched...
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Solomander on February 19, 2015, 08:21:21 AM
IMO, the newbloom event in 2014 was way better than this years but it's still better than that PA one.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on February 19, 2015, 08:49:13 AM
IMO, the newbloom event in 2014 was way better than this years but it's still better than that PA one.
People want items not new game modes silly. :derp:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Tapsa on February 19, 2015, 09:40:39 AM
Let's play "Guess the hero"

(http://puu.sh/fZPD8/f2fb9dc149.png)

Did you get it right? (http://puu.sh/fZPGN/144b32526e.png)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 19, 2015, 10:15:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0-a5yUYhts
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 20, 2015, 12:03:24 AM
I just want two more wins to get the Jade courier and forget all about this god-awful event.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 20, 2015, 12:15:58 AM
I dunno, Year Beast has been pretty good to me so far. :matsurismirk:
(http://i.imgur.com/JjNOfjn.png)
RIP my Year Beast win streak though.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dr Rawr on February 22, 2015, 03:43:55 AM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1262229287

miracles do happen
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 22, 2015, 03:46:19 AM
Clearly it's because I believed in you guys.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: helvetica on February 22, 2015, 04:11:30 AM
More like fucking techies >:(
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dr Rawr on February 22, 2015, 06:13:08 AM
More like fucking techies >:(
techies was really terrible i think he was like 1/7 at some point
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 22, 2015, 02:56:58 PM
techies was really terrible i think he was like 1/7 at some point

0/8
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raitaki on February 22, 2015, 09:42:08 PM
10/10 would get forced to build carry on again (http://puu.sh/g8nWY/5d07ac3cf5.jpg)

Funnily I was the only one carrying dust the whole game and halfway through clinkz and NP just gave up on going invis near me even if my dust was on CD
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dular on February 23, 2015, 07:49:04 AM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1262229287

miracles do happen

Miracles part 2. (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1243194140)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dorakyura on February 23, 2015, 09:44:32 AM
Miracles part 2.
 (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1243194140)

Lol that exp graph


http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1265492340
Should play more Chen, It is fun, except, that fucking ember killing my creeps too fast :(
*noob feeder team* :V I wasn't really active with my hero during teamfight in lategame. I tried to stay back to provide global heal and only go in when mek was required. Controlling creeps and Chen in one control group could kill me off pretty fast  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on February 23, 2015, 11:05:44 PM
Miracles part 2.
 (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1243194140)

Year beast is dumb
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dr Rawr on February 27, 2015, 05:49:55 AM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1278167798

the plan was to end the game as soon as possible and we stuck with it. motk stack really coming through for once
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Tapsa on February 27, 2015, 06:03:08 AM
Thank goodness you restored the cosmic balance by throwing the AD game right after that!
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on February 28, 2015, 02:53:15 AM
Finally got the retarded Jade Courier, now to forget about that stupid Refresher mode forever.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on February 28, 2015, 08:15:51 AM
Why waste time on YB for the couriers, when they're easily probably a dollar less on steam market as soon as they're marketable. o3o
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on February 28, 2015, 09:21:55 AM
I play Year Beast for the free sets. >:D
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on February 28, 2015, 11:22:54 AM
Why waste time on YB for the couriers, when they're easily probably a dollar less on steam market as soon as they're marketable. o3o

Why feed Valve money when we can feed them our time?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on February 28, 2015, 03:58:29 PM
Why feed Valve money when we can feed them our time?

Feeding Valve time doesn't make Half Life 3 happen?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dorakyura on March 02, 2015, 01:13:41 PM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1287482913

Axe commend during the push to mid racks "3 zeus ults and 3 wards, seems legit"
I also pushed top T2 with 2 wards and T3 + racks right after with 2 wards.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on March 10, 2015, 04:05:39 PM
Oh god I forgot how deep in the trench I was.

We're miles ahead. We manage to throw and lose because the entire team basically built like morons [Except Batrider].

To quote Ember:
'So much C.C'

Me: Then buy a BkB? If you get a 10 sec BKB now we can just win. [He was really fed and 40 mins in]

Instead he buys a Skadi and a 3rd Deadlius.

Even getting a 2nd Battlefury probobly would have been better than the Skadi Q_Q
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2015, 08:07:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/B2qJAMS.png)
So if I queue with MotK, my winrate ranges from 20~50%.
If I queue with my real life friends, my winrate ranges from 84~100%.
HMM.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on March 10, 2015, 09:42:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/B2qJAMS.png)
So if I queue with MotK, my winrate ranges from 20~50%.
If I queue with my real life friends, my winrate ranges from 84~100%.
HMM.

I'd say Queue with me and play in the trench to end all trenches; but one of us would be playing on a server the other side of the world.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2015, 10:09:12 PM
If only ping weren't a problem. :(
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on March 10, 2015, 10:41:44 PM
Speaking of; I don't even understand why I love playing Pheonix so much.

But Pheonix is great fun for me. In fact it's probobly my favorite hero and best non-support by far.

I mean; whenever other members of the team pick supports; I generally just default to Pheonix. I literally just played a game as Pheonix when I hit 6; TP'ed to the other side of the map shortly after as a gank happened; Dove in and R'ed and ended up getting a 3 for 0. And then I did something similar as soon as Supernova was back up. Which snowballed our carries pretty hard.

I dunno; all of Pheonix's abilities just fit the sort of archtype I like; someone you can't ignore but not someone who needs tons of farm or items either.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 10, 2015, 10:46:47 PM
Probably because Pheonix is a really strong hero who fucks up enemy heroes with W and just wins the game with E.
Q and R are okay I guess. R can really mess with the enemy's teamfighting capabilities if you use it right though.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on March 10, 2015, 11:00:46 PM
Probably because Pheonix is a really strong hero who fucks up enemy heroes with W and just wins the game with E.
Q and R are okay I guess. R can really mess with the enemy's teamfighting capabilities if you use it right though.

In my bracket my allies and enemies alike run from the giant beam of healing/harming fire.

People don't seem to understand I want to heal them Q_Q
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on March 11, 2015, 07:10:14 AM
If Pit Lord comes out with an arcana before Arc Warden

I will buy people sets
Dormio remind me to trade back the sf arcana when i reach home
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Prody on March 11, 2015, 01:00:29 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JP35qUo.png)

i did it everyone, i beat dota
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 11, 2015, 01:16:06 PM
Grats on the 5k!
Now, top 200!
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on March 11, 2015, 01:25:21 PM
Prody when you join a pro singaporean team pls remember me
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on March 12, 2015, 03:48:16 PM
"I love Pheonix so much!", never realising he can't spell Phoenix.

This just dropped for me (http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Lucentyr), I feel like I should start playing Luna.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on March 12, 2015, 08:43:33 PM
"I love Pheonix so much!", never realising he can't spell Phoenix.

This just dropped for me (http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Lucentyr), I feel like I should start playing Luna.

It's not showing up as incorrect in my browser spellcheck ._. Neither spelling is.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on March 13, 2015, 01:20:49 AM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1315114297

This game was way too hard, thank god that silencer was dumb enough for me to pick him off twice before high ground defenses
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on March 14, 2015, 04:38:02 PM
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1319844661
How did we win? Nobody knows, except for the people who played the match.

On the side note, my PA is finally becoming my core carry. So long Naix and PL. Here comes the Dagger, dagger. Hopefully I can keep up the PA win streak.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 14, 2015, 08:08:38 PM
I also had a super trashcan game last night.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1319132962
Basically, our Pudge was super rubbish and fed the SF at mid until he was like 0-6-1 at 20 minutes, we lost mid rax, and the Pudge abandoned.
Up until this point, Pudge had never landed a single hook.
Since the Pudge abandoned, Tomiko and I took turns controlling him and actually landed hooks and stopped them from pushing into our base, because the enemy team was just as bad as this Pudge.
We dragged game game for another 10 minutes and then we were stronger than the enemy team and we stomped them.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on March 14, 2015, 10:19:51 PM
Well I just had a hilarious Ability Draft game.

I was 9th pick [Radiant 5th pick] and I was Slardar.

I pick Charge of Darkness followed by Slithereen Crush. I... don't know how Crush got that far in the draft; it's usually snapped up pretty fast. Admittedly there were a lot of ranged heroes but there was a Treant and Space Cow that picked before me.

Anyway; to make things even more baffleing; by the time I get my 3rd pick Borrowed Time is still up [If someone else had taken Borrowed Time I'd probobly have gone Poison Nova. I might have left it up for our carry-build QoP too; but she had Focus Fire already]. Oh; and I got Wave of Terror too; which is basically a weaker Amplify Damage.

Needless to say; imagine Slardar; except he has Space Cow's charge and Abbadon Ult. Who needs a Blink Dagger? I could basically stunlock and kill a Windranger 1v5 with this build. It was insane. Earlygame was basically 'hit lv 2; charge; tp base; charge tp base repeat and get murdergold'.

I seriously do not understand how I got that combination. I built Phase/Crimson Guard/Shiva/S+Y for a combination of durability and moderate damage myself.

Also I think I charged their Windranger more than twice as much as everyone else combined. She was just the one in vision all the time. And they had a CM and I still charged and murdered the Ginger over her. Why do I hate Gingers so? [But she had Nature's Guise]

Helped my team was smart. Our QoP got Blink [Skill] and everyone else got a Blink Dagger or Force Staff to follow me up. At one point an ally even force staffed me in after we'd killed Charge first target without me even needing to Crush so I could crush the Bane.

Also their Space Cow took Nether Strike without Greater Bash [Which their Treant firstpicked]. He tried to ult me and nothing happened. I don't think he ulted again that game.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on March 18, 2015, 03:05:00 PM
How to raise my MMR I keep being stuck at ~3200 MMR (does that mean I'm a scrub?)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dorakyura on March 18, 2015, 04:13:27 PM
How to raise my MMR I keep being stuck at ~3200 MMR (does that mean I'm a scrub?)

The trench is deep, especially in Europe
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Prody on March 18, 2015, 04:30:37 PM
How to raise my MMR I keep being stuck at ~3200 MMR (does that mean I'm a scrub?)
Here's my advice:

Go to your dotabuff, find the one hero which you think you're good at and pick that hero only.

I got from 4.2k to 5k this way. I can't really guarantee what worked for me will work for the others, though.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on March 18, 2015, 04:50:26 PM
Here's my advice:

Go to your dotabuff, find the one hero which you think you're good at and pick that hero only.

I got from 4.2k to 5k this way. I can't really guarantee what worked for me will work for the others, though.

Played two games as Zeus, won both, MMR on the rise. Picking Zeus forever now. He's actually one of the heroes I like most, since you can strike terror into the early game and in the lategame, let your allies do the brunt of carrying (as long as you're careful about LHing heroes).

The trench is deep, especially in Europe

Trench warfare. ;_; I haven't had a game where SOMEONE didn't abandon the past three days.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on March 18, 2015, 07:46:16 PM
The trench is deep, especially in Europe

I'm so scared of the ranked Trench that I'm not even rated.

I seriously think I'd be like; 1k MMR.

Where the russian is strong.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 18, 2015, 08:03:06 PM
I'm so scared of the ranked Trench
You need to learn to embrace the trench, to be the trench.
Seriously, there's no end to the trench so you might as well have fun in it.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on March 18, 2015, 08:41:56 PM
You need to learn to embrace the trench, to be the trench.
Seriously, there's no end to the trench so you might as well have fun in it.

Dormio the Australian Trench is not the Euro trench.

The Austrialian servers not not plagued with hordes of high-ping [This is why low levels are filled with Russians in Europe]; bad attitude; often mic-spamming and swearing Russians; who are angry at other Russians because they're on EU servers to try and get away from their own toxic community; and Europeans because the Russians act like it's THEIR server. Despite there being one called 'Russia'.  There's a reason why the Russian DotA reputation is akin to Brazillians on most MMO's.

Trench is one thing. But sink too deep into the Euro Trench and I may as well go play on the Russian server. At least they'll lag less and D/C less often there.

Plus I don't exactly have many All Pick games. I have more AD games than AP.

I'm not scared of the Trench. I'm scared of going so deep into the Trench I hit Russia.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 18, 2015, 08:48:42 PM
The trench is the trench is the trench.
I actually really dislike people who discriminate based on regions because there's shit and toxic players everywhere regardless of the server you play on.
Like, seriously, you don't think there aren't hordes of high-ping (have you heard about Australian ISPs?), bad attitude, mic-spamming and swearing Australians on the AU server?
At least, on your more populated servers, you can actually get a more diverse pool of players to play and improve against unlike in my games where, if I check the dotabuff of any given player in any of my matches, I'll have played with that person at least 4 times. (Seriously, my friend with Dotabuff+ has been checking this for a while)
Also, l2AP then.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on March 18, 2015, 09:00:51 PM
The trench is the trench is the trench.
I actually really dislike people who discriminate based on regions because there's shit and toxic players everywhere regardless of the server you play on.
Like, seriously, you don't think there aren't hordes of high-ping (have you heard about Australian ISPs?), bad attitude, mic-spamming and swearing Australians on the AU server?
At least, on your more populated servers, you can actually get a more diverse pool of players to play and improve against unlike in my games where, if I check the dotabuff of any given player in any of my matches, I'll have played with that person at least 4 times. (Seriously, my friend with Dotabuff+ has been checking this for a while)
Also, l2AP then.

The difference is at least the Australians communicate in your language.

Also the Ozzies are supposed to be on the Australian server. The Russians are not supposed to be on Europe West.

And no; enlighten me about Australian ISP's.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 18, 2015, 09:13:26 PM
The difference is at least the Australians communicate in your language.
There's no difference there, given how many people speak whatever Filipinos speak, Chinese, Indian, and the Australian slang laden version of English.

Also the Ozzies are supposed to be on the Australian server. The Russians are not supposed to be on Europe West.
Do you know who's not meant to be on the Australian server?
SEA/China/Korea.
Especially since SEA gets 200ms ping to Australia, China gets 600+ms ping to Australia, and Korea gets 250+ms ping to Australia.
We get plenty of people from these regions anyway.



And no; enlighten me about Australian ISP's.
All you need to know is that Australian ISPs are garbage and, outside of the new NBN plan that is only available in select areas, 10~24mbps download is top tier internet.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Amraphenson on March 18, 2015, 11:38:52 PM
tl;dr your server isn't a special snowflake that's worse than the others, everyone deals with it. It still sucks, but everyone deals with it
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on March 19, 2015, 03:13:23 AM
Who the fuck even reads/uses chat
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Prody on March 19, 2015, 12:30:02 PM
Played two games as Zeus, won both, MMR on the rise. Picking Zeus forever now. He's actually one of the heroes I like most, since you can strike terror into the early game and in the lategame, let your allies do the brunt of carrying (as long as you're careful about LHing heroes).
If you're still using zeus, here's post on reddit with some tips:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2zk5b2/some_5k_tips_since_i_lost_interest_in_dota/cpjqcgx
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: DNAbc on March 19, 2015, 02:56:17 PM
four more months of self restrain and i shall meet my anniversary of quitting dotaaaaaaaaa

everybody's bad, at any given time and situation, but if you learn to make optimal plays and basically reduce your reliance on a miracle perfect 5v5 clash to comeback, you win, its a simple mechanical process much easier said than done, by unpaid enthusiasts.

that mindset is actually why i got out of it

i still kinda wished to see those sweet jugg items i collected at work, he got a miracle buff as i heard and omnislash mechanics are just sick
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on March 19, 2015, 04:11:59 PM
If you're still using zeus, here's post on reddit with some tips:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2zk5b2/some_5k_tips_since_i_lost_interest_in_dota/cpjqcgx

Thanks! I've also been using Dotabuff to look at what top Zeus players do, and a few weeks ago I already stopped going Bottle->Boots->Agh's and instead go Bottle->Ring->Boots->Dagon/Veil, with Aghanim usually being either a lategame pickup or no pickup.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Raikaria on March 20, 2015, 10:11:53 PM
Well I just kinda had a game where we came back from something like 2-30.

Turns out Jakiro is pretty darn good to defending high ground.

It also turns out that Void+Macropyre+Sniper being Sniper is a pretty good comeback mechanic.

Also my victory predictions are now I think 8 in a row.

Also had a Bounty Hunter game where the enemy even at my level spammed detection. My basic contribution was:

Track some people
Lauigh as Mirana ults
Jump on tracked Moonlight Shadowed people
Die; usually eating a Laguna Blade.
Win teamfight
Laugh as PA acquires tons of monies and crits to victory.

Basically my role was eating nukes; screwing over Mirana; and giving PA gold.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on March 21, 2015, 12:27:27 AM
Lina, you hellfire bitch. (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1335722714) Lina was going CYKA CYKA whenever I Blinked her and ruined her. Freezing her during her Laguna Blade cast and interrupting it is so glorious. Complementing Void's Time Stop with an extra Freezing Field, mmmm.

For some reason 3200 MMR people don't know what to do when they see a Freezing Field coming from the Fog of War and it's hitting them and they're just like, "whoah what's going on how do i shot hook"
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on March 22, 2015, 04:15:17 AM
I have not once booked victory when the enemy team has a Juggernaut with Mask of Madness. What am I doing wrong
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on March 22, 2015, 04:25:51 AM
Have someone pick Doom or find some other annoying source of mute (hexes and shit) and make Juggernaut cry.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on March 25, 2015, 08:02:32 PM
Big plays were made (http://a.pomf.se/uyiloh.mp4).

I've brushed up on my Doom game just to counter Juggernauts, and then I don't encounter Juggernauts except old school ones that don't get MoM, and they all die a fiery death to Shadow Blade Doom. I feel dirty every time I do it, but at 3.2k mmr apparently no one gives a shit about detection.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on March 26, 2015, 08:30:35 AM
Here's my advice:

Go to your dotabuff, find the one hero which you think you're good at and pick that hero only.

I got from 4.2k to 5k this way. I can't really guarantee what worked for me will work for the others, though.

Because 90% of Pinoys shit themselves and hope that the rubbish in their country will prevent the spirit cow from bashing their faces in ez katka cyka bylat prody

I actually really dislike people who discriminate based on regions because there's shit and toxic players everywhere regardless of the server you play on.

putangina mo bobo noob report
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on March 27, 2015, 11:52:03 PM
Open new treasure, get Chirpy immediately. As well as Terrorblade but who cares about Terrorblade. Anyone wanna trade Terrorblade set for Lina set? Smoldering Journey bundle? I've got Baleful Hollow.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Amraphenson on March 28, 2015, 12:05:58 AM
TI confirmed for Dular/Infinity/Pesco/Myself.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on March 28, 2015, 05:14:04 AM
TI confirmed for Dular/Infinity/Pesco/Myself.

Where's our fifth player or are the four of you too good for that :v


HEY ANYONE GOT THE NYX SET I NEED THE NYX SET we can trade
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Pesco on March 28, 2015, 05:55:26 AM
The hotel room doesn't accomodate 5 :smug:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on March 28, 2015, 09:55:52 AM
Nice that Infinity and Dular are going with the two of you fukrs be sure to take many pictures

Pesco the Lycan set on the market was fukkn $4 not $10 you owe me that nyx set1
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Pesco on March 28, 2015, 01:05:17 PM
You gave the buy order at $10 :smug:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on March 30, 2015, 08:23:03 PM
http://www.dotastacks.com/

Time to elevate our 5-man MOTK parties to the next level.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: yuyukos on March 30, 2015, 11:55:21 PM
http://www.dotastacks.com/

Time to elevate our 5-man MOTK parties to the next level.
holy shit this is genius.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on April 24, 2015, 09:48:46 PM
Apparently patch 8.64 is slated 27 April. About fucking time.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Zerviscos on April 25, 2015, 02:58:00 AM
Apparently patch 8.64 is slated 27 April. About fucking time.
Is that a joke patch, or have I been out of the game for so long? :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on April 25, 2015, 10:13:51 AM
Is that a joke patch, or have I been out of the game for so long? :V

It's an "oh right, DOTA2, that game we updated two months ago" patch.

EDIT: After playing League now, I set all my DOTA keys to Quickcast. I can't live with clicking anymore!
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 28, 2015, 02:54:54 AM
Is this even DotA? (http://www.dota2.com/684/)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Dular on April 28, 2015, 03:24:00 AM
-Mud golems now have ranged stun

In other words, Doom now has a ranged stun.

-Damage block no longer blocks physical spells

It did that before?  Wow, I didn't know physical spells sucked.

-Hex no longer disables passives

Lion and Rhasta super nerf.

-Voidstone in side shop

Finally!


.... Woah, that's... A lot of hero changes.  Nevermind reporting thoughts on those.


Edit: Th...The changes... Ahhhnn~~
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: trancehime on April 28, 2015, 04:10:11 AM
the following heroes are now top-tier again:

Alchemist
Lifestealer
Prophet
Dark Seer
Invoker
Yakiro
Aghs Lone Druid
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: yuyukos on April 28, 2015, 04:37:40 AM
You get an Aghanim's! And you! And you!
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: PX on April 28, 2015, 04:53:14 AM
Overall grade of 6.84: LOL/10
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Bardiche on April 28, 2015, 10:16:50 AM
Not that excited, surprisingly.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on April 28, 2015, 10:19:24 AM
Spell reduction? In my doto?

Let's go Nyx Hassan Assassin
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on April 28, 2015, 06:39:36 PM
If I recall Volvo did say they wanted pretty much everyone to get a scepter, that's why most heroes have voice lines for it.

So many heroes removed from Ability Draft because you cannot have more than 4 abilities in AD. I know most people don't care about AD but I do. R.I.P Lifestealer; Morphling; Nyx and Tusk

Alchemist is dumb now. Give [Permanent] Alch Ult to carry = GG. There's a reason why Chemical Rage is Auto-pick in AD. Because on anyone who dosen't have Alchemist's godawful stat gain it's absurd. And it's outright broken on any ranged character. I've played enough AD to say 'VOLVO PLZ NO' to this Alchemist change. You could literally see a support/roaming Alchemist living off Quadrupled Bounty Runes and ganking with Casks and buying nothing but boots and Sceptre to give to carries.

These new items. Actual ways to make casters basic abilities scale later in Doto. I'm a little scared of the CDR item on characters with high amounts of C.C; like Shadow Shaman.

Also all these 'can be consumed' items giving power beyond 6 items which honestly isn't too hard for carries to hit in longer games. Or you can consume the item and then pick up an Aegis.

Also my favorite part of the notes:
Quote
Can now be used on to eat Wards [Side Note: Volvo grammar masters]. Eating a ward heals for double the amount, 230 HP over 16 seconds [Because Wards Taste Better]

Quote
Attacking a ward can no longer miss (same for Sentry Wards)
Not sure if to celebrate or cry.

Quote
Radiance Burn now causes affected enemies to have a 17% miss rate
Because the fire sears your eyyyyys

Quote
Divine Rapier

    Damage increased from 300 to 330

Volvo plz
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: TheCrimsonfireball on April 28, 2015, 07:27:39 PM
Random question: what would happen if Rubicks steals Doom's devour then eat a neutral creep?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on April 28, 2015, 07:41:07 PM
Oh wait Alchemist's Ag's dosen't give them Alchg R; it gives them their own Ag's Upgrade.

Rubick has a slot for these sorts of situations. [Same goes for skills like Spirits] I think he loses the creep buff when he loses Devour.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 28, 2015, 07:59:34 PM
Nyx has evolved lurker aspect and will now shut down your 2rax bio push with prejudice.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on April 28, 2015, 08:35:10 PM
I just realized that Lifestealer is now a Russian Doll.

Inside X is Lifestealer. Inside Lifestealer is Y!
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 28, 2015, 08:40:17 PM
I was thinking more of the fact he could eat someone about to die then rage TP out like a really messed up Wisp relocate xD
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on April 28, 2015, 09:34:00 PM
I was thinking more of the fact he could eat someone about to die then rage TP out like a really messed up Wisp relocate xD

Next level:

Eat someone
Infest Wisp
Wisp Tethers someone else
4 man relocate
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 28, 2015, 09:39:55 PM
Who needs Pitlord when you can do that shit. Tack on someone with improved boots of travel and you can move the entire team at once.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 28, 2015, 09:43:55 PM
Next level:

Eat someone
Infest Wisp
Wisp Tethers someone else
4 man relocate
This isn't next level.
Next level is:
Morphling becomes Na'ix.
Morphling consumes another hero.
Na'ix consumes the Morphling.
Na'ix infests into a fourth hero/wisp.
Wisp tethers the fourth hero and relocates.
Pitlord 2.0
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 28, 2015, 09:47:50 PM
Can't use ults with morph's aghs :(
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 28, 2015, 09:48:22 PM
I know that.
Otherwise I would have said that Morph infests another hero, removing the need for wisp.
Consume isn't an ult.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 28, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
Do we know that? I know it's an aghs upgrade but does it pass onto Morphling since he has an aghs too (or if the ally has one)? This new "you get an aghs and you get an aghs and you get an aghs" meta hurts my head.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 28, 2015, 10:19:57 PM
we know that (https://youtu.be/tqQnKrLzemA?t=45)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 28, 2015, 10:29:31 PM
http://fat.gfycat.com/UnfinishedTatteredAplomadofalcon.webm

Yeah I saw that.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 28, 2015, 10:35:05 PM

https://youtu.be/-EGtjbJYC7s hahaha meepo reflects spell steal, can now cast spell steal on all of his clones. Next level trolling.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 28, 2015, 10:40:48 PM
That is actually overpowered if meepo manages to get his hands on any decent nuke or stun. Good thing nobody plays rubick.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 28, 2015, 10:47:05 PM
It requires Rubick to target the Meepo (or other hero, Meepo just makes it more OP since he gets 5 copies of spell steal) with the lotus buff on, which is a visible pink shield. I don't see it happening outside of very very good timing. If anything, the lotus buff will be very useful to prevent ravage/blackhole or other gamechanging ult steals. You put the shell on, hop in and cast your ult, and you have a good window to get off another spell before Rubick can safely steal.

The fact that it's bugged and has no CD is likely gonna get patched ASAP though. I mean, it's why the test client exists :b.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 28, 2015, 10:57:55 PM
It doesn't actually matter since meepo is overpowered anyway but in the case that it does happen the game is pretty much over right then and there.

In what universe would lotus stop black hole steals? Black hole is channeling yo and most Rubix will follow up with an immediate lift anyway.

Also of course you still steal ravage because you're aiming to kill them with the counter ravage. That and heroes like tide tend to lack a mana pool.


but the thing is I doubt spell steal being stolen was meant to be a thing anyway and will probably be patched out
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 28, 2015, 11:19:47 PM
But the steal doesn't land though does it? Since the spell is reflected doesn't it cancel it? Or is it simply just recasting it again and not a full block like linkens?

The item description kind of confused the crap out of me.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 29, 2015, 01:13:57 AM
It doesn't block the spell at all, it only causes it to hit the caster as well.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 29, 2015, 01:19:57 AM
Oh, weird. Well that's dumb :|. I guess they'll make it so spell steal ignores it.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 29, 2015, 01:36:58 AM
Why is it dumb? It would be completely overpowered if it blocked the spell as well. Especially since it's even cheaper than linken's.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 29, 2015, 04:08:02 AM
I'm saying the item is dumb :b not that it's dumb it doesn't do both.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: TheCrimsonfireball on April 29, 2015, 05:21:06 AM
Whats the point of Techies aghanism again? All it did is to make those mines around the sight post turn permainvisible. It doesn't really help much gameplay wise since the enemy team will know immediately that there's mines nearby when they see the sign. The enemy team  can always defuse those mines by using decrefy or ghost staff. Its unnecessary and pointless buff.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 29, 2015, 05:24:57 AM
it works with remote mines to so it can deny a high ground push
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on April 29, 2015, 05:29:54 AM
Whats the point of Techies aghanism again? All it did is to make those mines around the sight post turn permainvisible. It doesn't really help much gameplay wise since the enemy team will know immediately that there's mines nearby when they see the sign. The enemy team  can always defuse those mines by using decrefy or ghost staff. Its unnecessary and pointless buff.

If they can't see it, they can't attack them from ranged. Easy rax defense
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on April 29, 2015, 05:37:56 AM
Whats the point of Techies aghanism again? All it did is to make those mines around the sight post turn permainvisible. It doesn't really help much gameplay wise since the enemy team will know immediately that there's mines nearby when they see the sign. The enemy team  can always defuse those mines by using decrefy or ghost staff. Its unnecessary and pointless buff.
You should also realize not all players will immediately realize there are mines around a signpost. For one reason, not every player take the time to look at an enemy hero's inventory that often. It's a big surprise for them when they see a signpost and just think it's a joke to be there to begin with. Once it sets off, players will be more cautious around signposts. Which could act as a distraction for the most part, and will find alternative routes around the signposts, only to find mines in none-signposted areas.

It's not really about what can you do with this new aghs update with a single hero. It's about how you use it in a new team meta.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 29, 2015, 05:40:27 AM
roshan is no longer safe lol
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on April 29, 2015, 09:59:22 AM
Morph agh's only stops you CASTING ults. Passive ults like Coup de Grace still work.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: trancehime on April 29, 2015, 10:16:21 AM
I'm saying the item is dumb :b not that it's dumb it doesn't do both.

And yet... (https://a.pomf.se/jtocay.mp4)

roshan is no longer safe lol

Pretty much.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: TheCrimsonfireball on April 29, 2015, 11:59:30 AM
You should also realize not all players will immediately realize there are mines around a signpost. For one reason, not every player take the time to look at an enemy hero's inventory that often. It's a big surprise for them when they see a signpost and just think it's a joke to be there to begin with. Once it sets off, players will be more cautious around signposts. Which could act as a distraction for the most part, and will find alternative routes around the signposts, only to find mines in none-signposted areas.

It's not really about what can you do with this new aghs update with a single hero. It's about how you use it in a new team meta.
  Alright, but its still not much different from a non-aghanim techies and i don't think making mines invisible can change his meta. Which is why I consider this a  pointless buff.
Morph agh's only stops you CASTING ults. Passive ults like Coup de Grace still work.
Speaking of Morph, does Wraith king  ult work?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on April 29, 2015, 12:28:00 PM
And yet... (https://a.pomf.se/jtocay.mp4)
lolz

Alright, but its still not much different from a non-aghanim techies and i don't think making mines invisible can change his meta. Which is why I consider this a  pointless buff.
It's not pointless, it's a nudge towards making techies viable in pro games by giving him a viable end game place. It's not that big of a nudge mind you, since he can only protect one lane and it's a 3 minute cloak on a 6 minute cooldown but hey, it's something. I imagine IceFrog is being extra cautious about buffing techies because he could get way OP way fast.

Taking a hero from useless to maybe a niche pick is fine, taking a hero from useless to first pick/first ban is not as good :b. There's already enough first pick/first ban heroes and this patch didn't help :D!
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on April 29, 2015, 03:04:58 PM
  Alright, but its still not much different from a non-aghanim techies and i don't think making mines invisible can change his meta. Which is why I consider this a  pointless buff. 
If you think that's the case, then you'd better prepare yourself with the new patch then, right after when pro streamers and pro teams use him in tournaments.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Pesco on April 29, 2015, 04:15:36 PM
I find the most overlooked point of this patch is to encourage you to click on enemy heroes and look at their items/buffs/debuffs.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on April 29, 2015, 05:27:06 PM
I find the most overlooked point of this patch is to encourage you to click on enemy heroes and look at their items/buffs/debuffs.

You DON'T do that?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: trancehime on April 30, 2015, 03:35:20 AM
You DON'T do that?

you'd be surprised

  Alright, but its still not much different from a non-aghanim techies and i don't think making mines invisible can change his meta. Which is why I consider this a  pointless buff. 

Speaking of Morph, does Wraith king  ult work?

#1 - You would still get Aghanims on Techies even before this improved upgrade because it would make his Remote Mines a valuable defensive and farming tool, even more so than it already is. All this does is make Aghanims an even more lucrative pick up for Techies. Making his mines impossible to detect would add an extra level of mindgame to his kit.

#2 - Hybrid does not copy ultimates.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on April 30, 2015, 06:16:07 AM
you'd be surprised

#1 - You would still get Aghanims on Techies even before this improved upgrade because it would make his Remote Mines a valuable defensive and farming tool, even more so than it already is. All this does is make Aghanims an even more lucrative pick up for Techies. Making his mines impossible to detect would add an extra level of mindgame to his kit.

#2 - Hybrid does not copy ultimates.

It does copy ultimates; you just can't cast them. I've seen a Hybrid proc Coup de Grace. It's even on DotaCinema:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DBIZdIBil0 - go to 2:28; I think it's the 4th hit on Pudge.

Which means passive ultimates work; such as Warpath and Coup.

I doubt Reincarnation works; since upon death you turn back into Morphling, and that ultimate is 'cast'.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dular on April 30, 2015, 09:11:55 AM
Bristleback, Drow Ranger(OP with Morph), Phantom Lancer, Ogre Magi, Kotl(It's always on with Aghs, so..), Abaddon may auto-trigger, and Phantom Assassin.

So some heroes that are exceptionally good with hybrid.  If the illusion-hero has an Aghs upgrade, I guess that Morphling gets the agahnim upgraded passive automatically right?  Like with Kotl and Ogre Magi.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on April 30, 2015, 09:25:34 AM
Alchemist on team. Buys all aghs for all support/ganker.  :yukkuri:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 30, 2015, 04:13:46 PM
safe lane alch farms aghs while mid lane tiny rushes ac


edit: updates out now
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on May 01, 2015, 07:04:33 AM
Compendium is up.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 01, 2015, 07:05:38 AM
The teamspeak stack has already spent about $200 on compendiums and earned some coins.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on May 01, 2015, 07:06:06 AM
The teamspeak stack has already spent about $200 on compendiums.

About 40 minutes ago
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Amraphenson on May 01, 2015, 09:34:35 AM
#GabenTookOurMoney
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: yuyukos on May 01, 2015, 11:16:50 AM
Hey, its me ur wallet. mercy pls.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on May 01, 2015, 11:58:35 AM
Level 250 Compendium costs like around 100USD.
Late TI5 and Post-TI5, items from Compendium be like, less than 5USD. :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 01, 2015, 11:01:28 PM
I'm sitting here with my Lv 1 Compendium perfectly happy with earning points the hard way to see how well I do.

Also played 2 games, won 2 games. 1 Shadow Demon game [I picked him to try and get Ag's lategame to Break their PA] and 1 DAZZUL game [Where two members of my team actually complimented me for saving their butts with Grave... and one of those called me out in a good way on buying back after dying to a Pudge Hook and turning a fight in the top lane.]

Also yeah, I brought back for ~330 gold with a 15 second death timer to save my teammate and get our team 3 kills. I didn't even hesitate. Which surprises me. Sadly I got 2 of the 3 kills, but that was Poison Touch ticks on a fleeing guy and Shadow Wave bounceing off the Prophet who's life I saved. Hell; I never see anyone buy back that early in the game.

Also props to the Prophet for realising I had brought back to rejoin the fight so he Teleported in to help Wraith King too. Also doubt this whole thing would have worked if the guy I was laneing with wasn't Wraith King; that dude with 2 lives; giving me and NP time to get there.

I made a good play. In Dota. This is rare.

Weirdly enough the guy who said well done to me was our Earthshaker who died distracted by watching toplane. I guess he looked there after I brought back [Probably thinking 'Why on earth is Dazzle buying back?'] and got jumped by Ursa.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 02, 2015, 02:11:31 AM
First set of TI5 immortals released!
I got all of them, excluding the golden version of Luna's shield. Good enough.
Some of these look super cool.
Now I'm looking forward to the next set.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 02, 2015, 09:44:41 PM
I have discovered another hero I am not godawful at.

Nyx.

I pick him because the enemy picked OD and Skywrath, and I made them pay. We were losing, but then I got L 11 and managed to pick off Skywrath/OD/Lion repeatedly.

Also I got Scepter. Which is cute. Nyx isn't that great in a teamfight but when he can mana burn spam while safely underground on an OD and Skywrath hitting them both for ~600 every 4 seconds, it's cool, and the Impails don't hurt. Also a way for me to buy time while their BKB's on Viper and Razor wore off while I Mana Burnt down one of their Int heroes.

Also obligatory NYX NYX NYX. I must have made OD so mad since lategame whenever he tried to farm I showed up. I even picked up BoT's jsut to hunt him better.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on May 03, 2015, 08:42:18 AM
The teamspeak stack has already spent about $200 on compendiums and earned some coins.

Update pls : ^ )

Also once the bug for gifting is fixed i'll giving out like the 14 spare boxes I will get in total ye
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dular on May 03, 2015, 09:32:35 AM
I think the teamspeak stack is on average level 150, so that'd be... What, 600$ so far?

Also, I don't think I've seen compendium points drop a single time since it came out, for anyone.  The drop rate is probably absurdly low, which is basically saying "To level up, giff monies."
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on May 03, 2015, 11:14:29 AM
I should buy a Compendium.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 03, 2015, 12:49:02 PM
I think the teamspeak stack is on average level 150, so that'd be... What, 600$ so far?

Also, I don't think I've seen compendium points drop a single time since it came out, for anyone.  The drop rate is probably absurdly low, which is basically saying "To level up, giff monies."

Yeah I'm not liking the compendium as much as last year. No battle point boost, leveling is 'gif moneh'. Coins are nice however and I had a 750 stack drop.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on May 03, 2015, 01:09:04 PM
Everyone has compendiums.

And here I am, being so cheap, still waiting for cheaper compendium points to be sold in the Steam Market. :V

Also, pls ffs stop voting carry Arcanas. Invoker needs Arcana. Plox Voker Cana plox. Or Chen. GREAT CHEN NEEDS IT.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on May 03, 2015, 03:05:27 PM
Just got a compendium because a friend buggered me about it. Got Huskar Immortal. Halp, I don't want that one.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: NekoNekoRex on May 03, 2015, 07:20:10 PM
Whats the point of Techies aghanism again? All it did is to make those mines around the sight post turn permainvisible. It doesn't really help much gameplay wise since the enemy team will know immediately that there's mines nearby when they see the sign. The enemy team  can always defuse those mines by using decrefy or ghost staff. Its unnecessary and pointless buff.
You don't have to out mines there if just the sign is enough to scare people away...
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dular on May 03, 2015, 08:04:53 PM
Techies staff is more used for the "Kill creepwaves with one mine, even into late game." rather than the mine thing.

If you do the mine thing, you might as well get a refresher orb and permanently lock down a lane push.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on May 03, 2015, 08:20:53 PM
Also makes it so you can toss your R farther, so you can teamfight without being as much in the thick of it.

Aghanim is pretty much standard on Techies for me, the change doesn't change anything about that. It's fun watching enemies not fear the mine sign yet though. Ran into my 12-Q Staq with Eye. I don't think they know how the sign works yet.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: KyleTheCarl on May 04, 2015, 03:21:58 AM
eg.fear
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 04, 2015, 07:39:29 AM
According to Dotabuff I've been playing in High Skill games recently until I had a 3 loss streak.

What is this I don't even.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on May 04, 2015, 07:48:00 AM
According to Dotabuff I've been playing in High Skill games recently until I had a 3 loss streak.

What is this I don't even.
Your bracket is based on your MMR. If you don't have one, then it's based on your hidden MMR.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 04, 2015, 05:37:51 PM
Your bracket is based on your MMR. If you don't have one, then it's based on your hidden MMR.

I don't have an MMR.

And you don't get it I'm supposed to be trench level. Deep trench level. Although apparently I managed to win 7 games in a row at one point.

Also does anyone know if you Glimmer Cape before using Supernova if that makes your Pheonix Egg invisible?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Amraphenson on May 04, 2015, 07:02:30 PM
Your continued screaming that your trench is somehow a magical special snowflake different from everyone else's continues to make me shake my head. You have a hidden MMR if you haven't done ranked matches.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on May 04, 2015, 07:20:44 PM
I don't have an MMR.

And you don't get it I'm supposed to be trench level. Deep trench level. Although apparently I managed to win 7 games in a row at one point.

Also does anyone know if you Glimmer Cape before using Supernova if that makes your Pheonix Egg invisible?

Even very high skill level is still the trench. Also, Glimmer Cape Supernova doesn't work because the Egg is a different unit from Phoenix
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on May 04, 2015, 11:33:12 PM
I don't have an MMR.

And you don't get it I'm supposed to be trench level. Deep trench level. Although apparently I managed to win 7 games in a row at one point.

You don't get "deep trench level" in normal matchmaking, since anyone could end up in your pool. Exception: if you consistently have good creep score/KDA ratios/win-loss ratios, MM seems to want to put you in a high skill or very high skill bracket with others who achieve similar results, to avoid curbstomp games where newbies are pummelled with experience. This is a "hidden"/pseudo MMR that isn't shown to you but the matchmaker keeps it in mind.

Basically, you're not "deep trench". Suck harder.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 05, 2015, 12:40:56 AM
Uh, in normal matchmaking you won't get matched with anyone.
You have 4 sets of MMR. Normal Solo MMR, Normal Party MMR, Ranked Solo MMR, Ranked Party MMR.
Just because you can't see your normal MMR doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
For Dotabuff, normal skill bracket means that the average MMR of the game is below 3.2k. High skill bracket is between 3.2k and 3.8k MMR, very high is anything above 3.8k average MMR.
In other words, the brackets mean jack because they're outdated and all brackets are trash.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on May 05, 2015, 06:01:57 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/yYSFfOc.png)
Had a Bristleback game a while ago. We expected we were gonna lose because of our Drow picking RIGHT AFTER Terroblade. We won 'cause I was just able to tank everything, and having 3 disables and silence.

Sadly, DC'd. It wasn't poor network connection. Everyone just DC'd.

Valve's servers plox. :derp:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on May 05, 2015, 11:53:32 AM
The only person who isn't in the Trench over here is probably Prody
He sits on 5.6k solo Q mmr atm

I'm in deep trench (high - very high) SEA which is shit land and I've won 10 games in a row not a big deal if we're not at prody's level
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 06, 2015, 07:16:46 PM
So, apparently with the gold flow changes if you get first blood on a Venomancer support; and then use that to snowball your lane; you get so much gold while feeding your Clinkz you almost have the same GPM as the people who were in mid and top-farming but didn't get as many kills as I enabled on Clinkz. Admittedly I did have about 2 mins of solofarm in a lane however where I took a tower [And then 3 people jumped on me and they all almost died and they had to deny their own PA; while the rest of my team took two more towers]

I had like ~480 GPM as a support Venomancer while WindRanger and Chaos Knight had ~520. [Clinkz had about 650]. By the end of the game despite being the guy buying all the wards I still had Veil/Glimmer/Arcanes/Ag

Also sneaking into the middle of a teamfight under Glimmer Cape and dropping Veil [We had quite a lot of magic damage between me; CM; and Clinkz]+Nova is hilarious. I didn't get any of the kills; which is a good thing, but their HP just got incinerated. And I survived.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on May 07, 2015, 02:26:37 AM
Quote
We had quite a lot of magic damage between me; CM; and Clinkz
Quote
magic damage... Clinkz

Wot
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 07, 2015, 06:57:20 AM
Oh I thought Searing Arrows was magic. Since you know... magicaly ignited.

Still, Veil helped melt people and we didn't lose a single fight after I had it.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on May 08, 2015, 12:19:00 AM
Got Clockwork and Gyrocopter taunts. Would trade for Rubick/Zeus taunts. :#
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: helvetica on May 08, 2015, 01:00:44 AM
Oh I thought Searing Arrows was magic. Since you know... magicaly ignited.

Still, Veil helped melt people and we didn't lose a single fight after I had it.
Searing arrows is physical which is what makes it so dangerous (combined with strafe). Now the +30% damage amp from orchid soul burn is considered magical so veil would still help somewhat, although that's a really subpar item choice. Better to just go raw damage like crit or mkb (or heck, skadi since searing arrows isn't an orb anymore, although death pact gives you a huge amount of health as it is) after orchid instead of magic amp, you're a carry and your item slots are precious.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: Oracle is dumb #salt
Post by: Prody on May 17, 2015, 10:32:24 PM
Grats on the 5k!
Now, top 200!

(http://i.imgur.com/teaJc9u.png)

I did it i 1cc'd dota on lunatic mode (http://www.dota2.com/leaderboards/?l=english#se_asia)

please don't tell me to go for 6k

Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 17, 2015, 10:47:10 PM
ez gaem, but where is the 7k?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Prody on May 17, 2015, 11:02:34 PM
ez gaem, but where is the 7k?
here
(http://i.imgur.com/jQiVLFd.jpg)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 17, 2015, 11:12:05 PM
That's still lower than /r/dota2's average mmr.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 18, 2015, 05:42:08 AM
Got Clockwork and Gyrocopter taunts. Would trade for Rubick/Zeus taunts. :#

I got Troll and Sniper.

I lose.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dorakyura on May 18, 2015, 04:44:02 PM
Immortal II out yet?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on May 18, 2015, 07:40:26 PM
Someone should bring back EGThrows
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: yuyukos on May 19, 2015, 04:45:35 AM
Immortal II out yet?
Nope. Volvo, hats pls. :V

Someone should bring back EGThrows
After losing the Brood/Lycan game, all downhill, sadboys.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: trancehime on May 19, 2015, 10:13:54 AM
rip professor FiercE

he was such a dope NA player. and now he is gone. :(
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 20, 2015, 07:21:27 AM
'Blink and use Berzerker's Call on 2 or more enemies at once as Axe' - Compendium Challenge

I didn't know they got this meta.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on May 22, 2015, 03:16:00 AM
IMMORTALS WHEN VOLVO PLS
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: yuyukos on May 22, 2015, 04:25:37 AM
RIP TI EU hub, now we get some giant hub for all regions qualifiers.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 27, 2015, 08:01:33 AM
I finally managed the 'blink on 2 peopler and call and actually win' thing as Axe.

Now I got 'land 2 3/5+ arrows as Mirana'

I... guess I can play Mirana like a support and try this? I dunno. I don't play Mirana.

At least possibly the eassiest challenge for me showed up. '10 assists'. On the other hand I also have '8 kills'.

===

I just had one of my best moments in Dota.

I'm Venomancer with Veil+Ag's. They like to focus me. Anyway, the enemy is losing but it's far from over and their fed weaver buys a Rapier at some point without us knowing. As per usual; they try and kill me, but I just Veil+R+Q. Weaver gets hit by a lasso as well [Our Huskar had a gem he picked from their team; and our team knew I was the main target so Batrider hid and blinked in] and dies.

Then we find out he had a Rapier and our Batrider gets it.

Next teamfight they engage on Batrider and make the godawful mistake of running through both me and Batrider's fire. They do kill Batrider; but 4 of them die, and I pick up the Rapier.

And proceed to end the game regardless of them buying back; 1v1 the Weaver without even ultimg; melt their Bounty with my ulti [60 second cooldown] and slows; while getting Megas and ending the game solo because Rapier Veno is apparently legit.

Seriously. I love playing Veno right now. Veil's current uptime in absurd and it feels like a no-win for the enemy. They focus me? I've probobly Ulted and Veiled anyway and they just blew everything on a Veno [They were single-target RP'ing me!]. They ignore me? They get ulted anyway; Galed; and have to put up with Wards and Sting slows. I intentionally try to be the frontline as Venomancer so if they choose to ignore me they have top go through me. Also that's another bonus to Veil. +All stats and +Armor makes me noticeably more tanky; and then Ag's actually makes me respectably durable; especially with my agi gain. I'm not an outright tank with those 2 items but it's also no lightweight. I think I was rocking ~23 armor and ~2.1k HP with those two items and an Ulktimate Orb; and I wasn't lv 25 yet.

And it's not like it's hard for Venomancer to find farm even as a support. Assist gold; kill gold; just generally pushing waves with wards or jungleing with them... I ended up with more GPM than Broodmother... albeit she wasn't good. Also more CS than the Mirana I started out supporting. I think she just stopped farming midgame.

Also people really needs to stop trying to contest lv 1 runes with me standing there. They get Galed and die horribly.

tl;dr: I think Venomancer has cemented himself as one of my favorite heroes; next to CM; Rubick; Pheonix and Bane. Which is strange since Veno's main role is technically damage. Which I usually dislike. Also Rapier Venomancer is best Venomancer.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 28, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
IMMORTAL 2 IS FINALLY OUT, GET HYPE.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on May 28, 2015, 10:28:01 PM
RIPERINO TEAMERINO TINKERINO

Also, NAR'VI is back to TI!!!
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on May 28, 2015, 10:41:26 PM
LF> SHADOW FIEND ARMS.
11 BOXES, NO ARMS, GGNORE


I HAVE ARMS NOW.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on May 28, 2015, 11:49:10 PM
Got... Leshrac's staff. So Leshrac Staff, Huskar Hat. Probably won't get any Immortal I like. :(
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 29, 2015, 07:25:34 AM
I got Disruptor's back thingy.

Out of all the options there; that was the best for me.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on May 29, 2015, 10:49:32 AM
Almost every hero getting immortals, even Leshrac.
And here I am still waiting for a Meepo Immortal.  :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: yuyukos on May 30, 2015, 09:30:31 PM
Got hats, I love hats, thanks Volvo.
Vote Wisp for TI5 Arcana. :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on May 31, 2015, 08:56:44 PM
I finally decided to play Tusk.

It went OK. And I was a solo with a 4 man party.

More importantly I didn't hate Tusk. Which I thought I would. And I only killed myself with Snowball once.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on June 05, 2015, 03:39:43 PM
>1 in 250 odds of Faceless Rex
Welp, guess we ARE hitting the final stretch goal.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on June 05, 2015, 06:27:38 PM
I did a thing
(http://i.imgur.com/iMBBmYq.jpg)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on June 05, 2015, 06:51:47 PM
The fact that Faceless Rex is a courier is hilarious. Giff Voidless Face Courier volvo plz. If I by some miracle get it however I'd still probobly mostly use my good old Mammoth+Smeevil. Faceless Rex would be for the occasional change-up.

Or I'd sell it on the community market if the prices are high enough :P

Also at $1.99; or ?1.30 in Britland monies; I might even buy a couple of these. Especially given that I play most of the heroes in these sets [I can even play Medusa if I have to; I'm mostly hopeless as micro heroes. Just because I MAINLY support dosen't mean I hate carries.]

Of course what the big prize for me would be the Rubick set. I already have a Rubick set [It dropped as one!] but I'd be up for mixing and matching to make my Grand Magus' outfit much grander. And Rubick is literally my most played hero and one of the ones I enjoy playing the most. Of course now I said that Rubick's will be #11; forceing me to buy 11 boxes to get the one I want.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on June 05, 2015, 07:38:46 PM
Trade you Rubick set for Windrunner set :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on June 05, 2015, 09:46:48 PM
Sorry; I got Rubick before Windranger :V [Rubick was 4th box; after Skywrath; Spectre and DK. DK's up for trades if someone wants a DK set; I hardly play Dragon Knight.]

Also the tracked stat for DK is Godlike Sprees. Hilariously the Rubick tracked stat is Roshan Kills. Forever 0.

Spectre and Skywrath were nice pulls.

Decided to use the Staff and the Back of the Rubick set. I think the hat's alright but it clashes and looks hideous with my body equip [Cloak of Zeal; the hat clips right through it]; and I think the body equip is hideous in it's own right. Basically: YAY LIT CANDLES. [These are totally not a fire hazard]
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on June 06, 2015, 04:00:06 AM
Barney Courier.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on June 08, 2015, 08:50:04 PM
Why is Techies always in my game? On my team. Proceeding to do nothing but get some random cheese kills and then blameing the team when they lose an effective 4v5 because Techies dosen't do jack in an actual fight; but they're obviously doing good because some random dude stepped on their random mines in a position where the team can't do anything to capitalise on it; especially with short early death timers.

It's not even the fact they're useless which makes me angry. It's the fact a lot of them act bigheaded because they have kills and blame the team. I mean, if I'm Witch Doctor and Ulting as my cask bounces between two of them, I don't want Techies Eulsing one of the guys getting bounced on; letting the other become unstunned and flee; just so he can KS with an ultibomb. And then blameing me for the other guy escapeing.

I'm not sure what's getting me more salty; Techies themselves or the Techies players.

Also gotta love when they pick Techies into Zeus.

The fact I'm currently on a 6 game losing streak where 3 of which had allied Techies isn't helping. [The others were things like I play ET get forced mid and somehow win lane against a Storm as ET and have the highest GPM on my team as ET and we still lose; or 'I try to make a play and my allies stands there drooling and I die' support moments.]
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 13, 2015, 12:12:00 AM
One can never truly leave the beta (http://www.dota2.com/reborn/part1/).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dr Rawr on June 13, 2015, 12:26:11 AM
That's cool can't really see what it looks like at work but I'm pretty hyped for it
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on June 13, 2015, 01:08:26 AM
Dota 2 2
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on June 13, 2015, 03:48:51 AM
So Source 2 has finally come. I'm guessing HL3 will come when Source 3 has been developed.  :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: NekoNekoRex on June 13, 2015, 04:53:00 AM
So Source 2 has finally come. I'm guessing HL3 will come when Source 3 has been developed.  :V
I'm at least halfway sure that HL3 will never actually be developed if only to keep the joke alive that it will never actually be announced.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Pesco on June 13, 2015, 06:13:07 AM
Dota 3 2 2

HL3 confirmed. Sponsored by Vulcun.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on June 14, 2015, 01:05:43 PM
When your teammate has a level 2000+ compendium. ( ͡? ͜ʖ ͡?)
(http://i.imgur.com/j7McO4s.png)

I'll buy level 500 once I feel like it tho. Prolly around mid TIs. :derp:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 17, 2015, 10:35:33 PM
The beta is out (http://www.dota2.com/reborn/part3/).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on June 17, 2015, 10:36:09 PM
DOTA2, the only game I know that goes from beta to live, back to beta.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dular on June 17, 2015, 11:45:09 PM
Pretty cool, checked out the stats for everyone.  Infinity has the highest average ability out of everyone, followed by Dormio.  Everyone else is pretty average in everything.

All my stats suck, but I have the highest stat for fighting other heroes out of everyone.


Custom games are unbelievably easy to find, install, and play now.  I would suggest Legend of Dota or Dota Imba sometime, probably super easy to get a game going.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on June 25, 2015, 03:00:43 PM
So are those Immortal III treasures ever going to be released?
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 25, 2015, 08:10:10 PM
Soon?.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: yuyukos on June 25, 2015, 10:26:23 PM
Still Polishing?.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on June 26, 2015, 03:13:37 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UI73j4Q.png)
When you suggest right heroes to the team to counter the enemy team, and they ignore you, tells what items to buy, they still ignore you.
You try so hard to try to win the game, but the team just didn't pick the right heroes, eg. team picks SF, riki, then tells team not to pick 3rd hard/semi-core/carry, picks it anyways, facepalm.jpeg(2nd lion game), or didn't prioritize the right item(s), eg. has munny to go fer yer standard Troll BKB to fight in clashes, but picks up sblade instead, yar har(slardar game).

#2Hard2Ween :derp:
#Neg8tedSoloMMRpl0x
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on July 01, 2015, 02:53:04 PM
Still Polishing?.
Soon?.

 :V Inb4 TI5 ends before Immortal Treasure III is released.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 03, 2015, 07:04:53 AM
AA didn't reach level 25 in a 2 hour game, RIP (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1602309739).
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on July 03, 2015, 09:27:34 PM
Soon?.

Valve TimeTM

Why are we surprised at Valve struggleing to release the 3rd iteration of something
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 04, 2015, 02:36:06 AM
AA didn't reach level 25 in a 2 hour game, RIP (http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1602309739).
you know I looked at the dotabuff again and saw the Magnus went lvl1 skewer and lvl7 reverse polarity and kinda wonder how we were losing so bad
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Zerviscos on July 11, 2015, 05:23:39 AM
For the love of Meepo, pls trade your Meepo Immortal for my NP Immortal.  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2015, 11:16:54 AM
Got Gyrocopter immortal. Not the golden one. Bah, only one I like is Zeus's.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 11, 2015, 11:22:43 AM
I've got my hands on all the immortals, bar the Golden Luna Shield/Gyro Lasers.
WTB> Golden Skadi
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on July 11, 2015, 11:41:35 AM
I got the PA Immortal.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dr Rawr on July 11, 2015, 04:53:32 PM
The hidden PA immortal that wasn't announced and is rarer then gold gyro lasers.

Also finally got around calibrating my mmr yesterday and got 3.4k
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on July 11, 2015, 05:16:47 PM
I got the PA Immortal.

which one is that
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on July 11, 2015, 05:47:28 PM
The hidden PA immortal that wasn't announced and is rarer then gold gyro lasers.

Also finally got around calibrating my mmr yesterday and got 3.4k

TA.

Too many Assassins. We have TA and NA and PA .
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on July 14, 2015, 03:45:49 AM
TA.

Too many Assassins. We have TA and NA and PA .

Shhh dont let them know
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on July 14, 2015, 03:51:31 AM
There's always Ricky Martin, the Stealth Assassin :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Bardiche on July 14, 2015, 08:33:42 PM
Too many Assassins. We have TA and NA and PA .

I had to double-check, but Nyx is indeed Nyx Assassin. Damn, thought it was just Nyxnyxnyx.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on July 14, 2015, 08:45:51 PM
AA, NA, PA, SA, TA
We need 21 more heroes for a full set!
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Suikama on August 03, 2015, 05:29:15 PM
oh boy TI time

e: or not lol


e2: DDOS of the Ancients
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on August 05, 2015, 05:41:58 AM
Anybody at TI want to meet up tomorrow outside Key Arena and get me in? :V
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Suikama on August 07, 2015, 03:43:42 AM
lmao that showmatch was fucking ridiculous
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dular on August 07, 2015, 04:59:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Cly6mqi.png)

If you look closely, you can see my Sanae keychain.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Helepolis on August 07, 2015, 06:01:54 AM
Goddamn it, what match was this? I've seen the first MVP vs VP and the next match's first map too.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dular on August 07, 2015, 03:48:05 PM
2nd game of EHome vs. VG Gaming
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dr Rawr on August 07, 2015, 04:46:45 PM
i guess that has to be my wallpaper for everything forever
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Helepolis on August 07, 2015, 08:55:20 PM
2nd game of EHome vs. VG Gaming
Fuck I went to bed by then. Timezones are hard.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Raikaria on August 07, 2015, 10:03:18 PM
Fuck I went to bed by then. Timezones are hard.

Agreed, timezones for TI are evil for EU.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 07, 2015, 10:40:16 PM
At least you aren't going to be getting up by 3AM to watch the last day of TI.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on August 08, 2015, 08:47:35 AM
At least you guys won't be held hostage in Canada instead of watching TI5
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Helepolis on August 08, 2015, 09:50:55 AM
:dealwithit: :dealwithit: :dealwithit: :dealwithit:
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Tapsa on August 08, 2015, 01:29:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Cly6mqi.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/BsgtxPu.gif)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Suikama on August 09, 2015, 02:25:54 AM
USA
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: yuyukos on August 09, 2015, 02:38:26 AM
USA
B L E E D B L U E B O Y S :V :V

Incredibly satisfying TI this year, TI5 was great.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: PX on August 09, 2015, 05:02:29 AM
Having watched almost none of TI5 (still more than I saw of TI4 :V ), I can day that EG winning it is great. Everybody on that team deserves it (except probably Sumail)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Helepolis on August 09, 2015, 10:25:04 AM
gg wp. I went to bed after 1st map but EG was already very strong in the first map.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Amraphenson on August 09, 2015, 01:22:31 PM
Having watched almost none of TI5 (still more than I saw of TI4 :V ), I can day that EG winning it is great. Everybody on that team deserves it (except probably Sumail)

Oh come on, kid has been playing longer and harder than any of us. 10 years man!

Grate to EG for the big win.
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: Dular on August 10, 2015, 09:53:19 PM
So while I was at the airport getting my plane ticket, EG was right in front of me getting plane tickets.  Except for Aui, everyone was right in front of me.

It was like "Woaah, EG in front of me!".  I wanted to ask for an autograph, but they were probably exhausted so I let them be.

(Me and Infinity eventually spotted them again later on)
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: trancehime on August 11, 2015, 02:33:34 AM
Oh come on, kid has been playing longer and harder than any of us. 10 years man!

Grate to EG for the big win.

also obligatory: get kicked from team, win TI
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on August 14, 2015, 03:45:24 PM
>EG wins TI5
>Zun releases American Touhou

Coincidence? I think not
Title: Re: Defence of the Ancients 2: volvo pls
Post by: yuyukos on August 15, 2015, 03:55:52 AM
Aui wins TI, Aui gets kicked from EG, rtz back in EG + Fear at the 4.  :colonveeplusalpha:
Believe in the 'get kicked from team, win TI.' Aui becomes first person to repeat as champion.