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Previous Thread (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16586.0.html)
spoiler: we're almost all still bad at this game
also Gnar's out and it's adorable (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-release/gnar-missing-link-available-now)
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Except Eym. Eym is good enough to carry all of us.
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I am not a LoL player (anymore, maybe in Season 1 when the game was new and not called League of Jumps bla bla whine whine).
Just curious about the thing about Sona change with her persistent auras being... not persistent. Does this make people cry? laugh? cheer?
When I used to play Sona in ranked/regular (or noawadays Aram only) I've always loved her E skill bursting speed all around her in a decent AoE. Added with good ol' Shurelia (now that yellow ball thing) you would escape/chase pretty much anyone. Seems like that is all over now with the new changes.
Maybe some of the active players can enlighten me about Rito's actions.
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The problem with old Sona was that she was giving too much "hidden power", basically, she was making people hit harder (Q), be tankier (W) and just be outright faster (E) without really saying "okay, I'm doing this to my teammates", the only way for you to realize that she was doing these things was either actively try and see which auras she had on or just look at sheer numbers.
She's actually a bit better now, her E was barely changed, it just gives a bigger burst of speed instead of a fixed amount of movespd while the aura is on, to compensate for the bigger burst on use the movspd now decays up to the Aura's bonus (tl;dr: it does the same thing, just slightly better and with %s instead of base numbers) the main changes were to her W and Q, where her Q now gives allies that enter the aura bonus damage on their next autoattack (which is visible power) and her W gives her allies a shield (on top of the heal) if they enter the aura, the heal is also now %missing health based IIRC.
The heal being %missing health based actually makes me raise an eyebrow because that was one of the things they said was "wrong" with old Karma (I'm still not entirely sure why she needed a full-on rework tbh, not that I don't love new Karma though!)
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Just curious about the thing about Sona change with her persistent auras being... not persistent. Does this make people cry? laugh? cheer?
It's been met with mixed response, like most things. Some say she's way too weak (mostly still as fragile as ever but has to put herself in more danger now), some say she's fine (they find her power's been increased overall); some hate the way she plays now, some love that they actually have to do things as her now.
I'd argue it's definitely an improvement, potential numbers tweaks aside. You have to actually do more as her now.
(I'm still not entirely sure why she needed a full-on rework tbh, not that I don't love new Karma though!)
EDIT Okay I'm home now. The % of missing HP heal on Karma wasn't really too much of an issue I think, so much as "hey, I have this spell that heals THE EVERYONE... if they know what they're doing". The overarching issue had to do with teammate knowledge reliance. While it's not a bad thing to have that, it was pushed to an extreme with Karma. Everyone had to group up tight to maximize her heal, or whoever you tethered had to understand what to do with it to make the most of it and predict your moves, etc etc. ; if you thought people not knowing how to click the lantern with Thresh was bad, Karma could be even more impacted by her teammates not knowing what is going on with her.
However, past that there were other issues. She only had one form of reliable damage, for one - her Q. To get damage on her shield, she had to spend a Mantra on it - which meant any Karma that wanted to deal damage was locked into using it for one purpose, because otherwise she lost over 1/3rd of her damage output. In addition, her damage on W was extremely reliant on conditions and positions of things outside of Karma's control; it was the only spell that became almost useless if you ran into someone in the jungle, for instance.
She was kind of a mess. Not an unsaveable mess, mind you - as someone who played the hell out of the old Karma I had gotten her through some shit successfully. But she's just a lot better now, because her kit isn't weighing you down and actually has meaningful decisions attached, and doesn't absolutely require all her allies to learn how to play her as well for her to be at her best.
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tl;dr new Sona is burstier overall and heavily depends on teammates knowing how and when to hug you as well, erp
The heal being %missing health based actually makes me raise an eyebrow because that was one of the things they said was "wrong" with old Karma (I'm still not entirely sure why she needed a full-on rework tbh, not that I don't love new Karma though!)
I don't think that was specifically what they said was wrong with old Karma (because they wouldn't have done the same thing with Soraka otherwise); it was that her overall power scaled up based on how low she was, including dead, when she obviously can't use spells. They should've put a hard limit on that like with Riven's ult (max execute damage could be attained at 25% target max health). Of course, that didn't solve the issue of readability either, where no one even knew how to utilize Karma's abilities and absurd base and scaling numbers. Best part is, she'd probably do well in S4, now that we have the new gold gen items.
Oh, old Karma, you've been missed... by dozens of us :(
e: can't grammar
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Oh, old Karma, you've been missed... by dozen of us :(
Seconding that sentiment. Old Karma was fun, although I almost never used her mantra'd Q to heal with. No one understood what it was for, and unless Karma was low on HP or stacked AP items, it barely healed, despite being a %missing hp heal. Combined with the shield, though, I've saved several people from Karthus ults who would've otherwise died to it, so there's that at least.
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As someone who has Karma as like their 4th purchased champion ever; played Old Karma a fair bit and play new Karma a fair amount too; I don't miss old Karma.
And the problem with old Karma's heal was that:
1: The skill only healed when mantra'ed but it wasn't obvious when she had used it.
2: The REALLY short range on it
3: The fact it did almost nothing without significant AP... on a support.
It could be huge but the requirements were really really specific. Sona is just 'fire and forget' and up every few seconds and gives shields even without the heal being a factor from the aura. % Missing HP also dissuades 'passive healing' when you just ignore everything thrown at you.
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My problem with new Sona's heal thingy, though?
Aura gives a shield. Shields prevent damage. Heal bolts do %missing hp as bonus healing, which means you have to have taken damage. Short of deliberately letting some damage get through, one part or the other is going to be less than ideal. Unless you're helping someone who's trying to flee from a fight, in which case, sure, the %missing hp and the shield both help increase survivability, but in that case, thanks to the auras relatively small radius, you have to follow them unless you're either proactively watching for the first person to have to bail out, or you shielded them on their way out of the fight by accident. You can't really pre-buff with a shield without pissing away a good bit of mana on wasted healing that isn't doing any good, besides maybe triggering your Ardent Censor. Admittedly the cooldown is low enough that your shield-granting abilities will be back up by the time they're needed, it still feels rather inefficient.
Then again, that DOES mean there are two ways to use the heal without being punished for slipping up a little. Want to shield before they take damage, but was just a smidgen too far away and they got hurt before you could get to them? Well, the shield is on them, albeit later than expected, and odds are the heal bolt just topped off whatever damage they took. Running from a fight and your buddy is ignited and about to die? Heal, regardless of the reduction, and slap a shield on them as well to pad out some of the ignite ticks. Win-win, provided you can manage your auras well enough.
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My problem with new Sona's heal thingy, though?
Aura gives a shield. Shields prevent damage. Heal bolts do %missing hp as bonus healing, which means you have to have taken damage. Short of deliberately letting some damage get through, one part or the other is going to be less than ideal. Unless you're helping someone who's trying to flee from a fight, in which case, sure, the %missing hp and the shield both help increase survivability, but in that case, thanks to the auras relatively small radius, you have to follow them unless you're either proactively watching for the first person to have to bail out, or you shielded them on their way out of the fight by accident. You can't really pre-buff with a shield without pissing away a good bit of mana on wasted healing that isn't doing any good, besides maybe triggering your Ardent Censor. Admittedly the cooldown is low enough that your shield-granting abilities will be back up by the time they're needed, it still feels rather inefficient.
Then again, that DOES mean there are two ways to use the heal without being punished for slipping up a little. Want to shield before they take damage, but was just a smidgen too far away and they got hurt before you could get to them? Well, the shield is on them, albeit later than expected, and odds are the heal bolt just topped off whatever damage they took. Running from a fight and your buddy is ignited and about to die? Heal, regardless of the reduction, and slap a shield on them as well to pad out some of the ignite ticks. Win-win, provided you can manage your auras well enough.
Even this case is slightly better than what you had to do to get the most of old Sona's heal: both you and your teammate(s) had to take damage beforehand, and you had to predict when an enemy projectile was about to hit and calculate when your heal bolt would hit so you got the both the heal and the benefit of bonus resists. Now the bonus resists have been replaced by a shield that can affect multiple people, thus making Ardent Censer core.
Sadly, this meant a nerf to running away when split up, because now there aren't any bonus resists on your allies when you have to abuse your heal range.
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uhhhh
new sona is broken because she punishes you for doing your job as the enemy laners.
"w0w I poked them down but now she gets a stronger heal because they have less hp"
*everyone claps*
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Which means she's good against poke laners but her squishyness and relatively low range means that all-inners destroy her.
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The bonus healing from the target being at lower health actually makes new Sona's healing equal to old Sona's healing only when her ally is around 50% health until she gets rank 3 in her W. Unless she's maxing W first, in which case she loses all presence in lane, it's now easier for people to shove Sona or her partner into a burstable range instead of having Sona keep them topped up all the time.
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10:15 AM in Singapore area.
Anyone doing up Kat support yet for me in my abscence?
What's my LP decay at now?
E-mail me @ charles.squeglia@cg71.navy.mil if ya guys want.
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10:15 AM in Singapore area.
Anyone doing up Kat support yet for me in my abscence?
What's my LP decay at now?
E-mail me @ charles.squeglia@cg71.navy.mil if ya guys want.
diamond 1 38 lp
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uhhhh
new sona is broken because she punishes you for doing your job as the enemy laners.
"w0w I poked them down but now she gets a stronger heal because they have less hp"
*everyone claps*
It's also rewarding you for fighting in the first place and getting out alive.
Also the cooldown is significantly longer than before. They're not healing from low that fast.
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Climbing hard
Decided to start playing Ranked again, finally beat Silver I promos 10 days ago, and recently just skipped from Gold V --> Gold III. Is the plat dream real?
And Nami is so good (since morg and braum are permabanned) I just need to die less as support ^_^
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Well things have just got stupid haven't they?
Froggen is play AD Tristana midlane. They also have Kog'Maw botlane. And Braum support. And Alistar top. And heck; Lee jungle with his kickback.
This is taking protect the Kog'Maw to the next level... even Trist has her knockback, and if you get one there's still the other...
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they should just kick everyone off ALL and replace them with froggen clones
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FNC and ALL are the third and fourth teams to 100% qualify for worlds kek
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they should just kick everyone off ALL and replace them with froggen clones
The real superteam of EU.
Froggen top; Froggen Mid; Froggen ADC; Froggen support and Froggen Jungle.
But seriously; Froggen probobly isn't better than most role specialists at other roles. Just... what does Kassadino do against a ranged ADC mid in the lane phase except cry?
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http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1496086971/33660343
First PvP match in over a year. After over 5 mins of afkers in queue/champ select I get an instalock Ashe who goes 0/2/0 and quits halfway through the game leading to a surrender. Weee.
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I know he ain't been out long but Gnar currently has the lowest winrate in ranked by quite a margin. [He's at 40%]
Also apparently Mini Gnar is the softest champion in the entire game. He has lower Lv18 base HP than Aniva [1600 v 1610]; only 64 armor at Lv 18 and dosen't get MR/Level.
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I know he ain't been out long but Gnar currently has the lowest winrate in ranked by quite a margin. [He's at 40%]
Also apparently Mini Gnar is the softest champion in the entire game. He has lower Lv18 base HP than Aniva [1600 v 1610]; only 64 armor at Lv 18 and dosen't get MR/Level.
Mini Gnar is awful, way too squishy and its seriously useless after the early game phase.
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Mini Gnar is awful, way too squishy and its seriously useless after the early game phase.
Pretty much called his kit being worthless in Mini.
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Was in an ARAM as Ashe
Computer straight up crashed at the end just as final teamfight broke out, my last command being "get close to the nexus"
apparently I killed Draven and ended up winning us the game
ADC are so hard to play
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Welp, even more Kassadin nerf
Now he only has 4 normal abilities and no ult
en pace requiescat
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Hes looking like a pretty good candidate for reworking. His signature ability is just game breaking.
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Support nidalee is apparently a thing (http://matchhistory.br.leagueoflegends.com/pt/#match-details/BR1/337151012/345801).
This was a troll game btw. I was q'ing with shaco and renekton, it was pretty fun to be honest, even if I was against Orianna support, we were losing lane pretty hard (goddamn ori poke).
Though she was stupid enough to stay in lane with half health and try to engage on us "BECAUSE I'M ORIANNA HUE HUE", I simply stayed out of ult range and popped her as soon as she took my spear, graves couldn't really do anything afterwards.
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Support nidalee is apparently a thing (http://matchhistory.br.leagueoflegends.com/pt/#match-details/BR1/337151012/345801).
*Slaps*
No. Support Nidalee has never been a thing and it is even less now. What does Nidalee do without gold? Nothing. What C.C does she bring? Literally none.
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You're wrong, support nidalee has the absolute best CC in the game: The Gray Screen CC :V
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You're wrong, support nidalee has the absolute best CC in the game: The Gray Screen CC :V
I'm sorry how are you jumping into melee range to murder people against supports that are actually good [Not Orianna.]? Or AD's with an escape? Like; you can try and jump into that Thresh or Morgana; but don't expect it to end well. You can try and jump on that Tristana; but you won't accomplish much.
How are you murdering people with no gold and therefor no items and therefor little damage?
How on earth are you accomplishing anything in a teamfight with no C.C; no durability and no damage all at the same time?
Even Riot have given up the ghost of the illusion that Nidalee is a support; they removed support from her tags last patch. [Or at least they did so on the PBE]
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the concept of fun
raikaria's head
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honestly raikaria which part of "this was a troll game" did you not understand
like we had an AD Shaco mid for god's sake
and "AD's with an escape" can I tell you about how graves has an escape and punishes people for being too close and yet we somehow won that lane in the long run and the only reason we were losing so hard in the beginning was because of orianna's "i'm a bad support" stupid poke
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the concept of fun
raikaria's head
I hear 'support Nidalee' and my brain just goes into rage mode because those things are a plauge.
And saying it might be good makes me see even more glorious internet red mist.
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you guys should try support garen.
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support akali was pretty real back in the day
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you guys should try support garen.
my friend and I refer to the upper bush in bot lane as "the am bush"
I'll let you work out why
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I tried support Rengar once. I messed up the cheese and it didn't end well. Still won. I guess I supported better than their Aatrox did.
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I have the sudden urge to try and make support Amumu a thing again.
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supportplank
still my go-to support
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but for real though, support nidalee is great with siege comps and is an even bigger bully than before
e: forgot to post my namechange, i'm now TriSpada Kotori, and evidently i've been on NA for the past year
also, just to spite you (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1467330148/206306047). to be fair, yes, i didn't do anything midgame, but that was because the tristana i force-fed was instagibbing everyone before i even had a chance to react
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but for real though, support nidalee is great with siege comps and is an even bigger bully than before
Amazingly so even!
Spear -> Pounce -> Swipe -> Takedown puts the hunt mark, doubles your pounce range, puts your pounce on a 1,5 sec cooldown for disengaging thanks to swipe and increases takedown damage by 33% which is already a bit higher thanks to all the damage you already dealt with the rest
Not nearly as good as other supports, of course, but still a thing, and her attack speed steroid is a thing to be considered especially when your AD carry is something like a vayne who just LOVES attack speed.
The bush scouting and heal are also nice extras.
Yeah she may not be the absolute best support in the game and maybe not even a "good" support by meta standards, but Support Nidalee is a thing. She's just infinitely better as a top laner. :V
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As long as the person buys a support income item and wards/sightstone, I don't mind. It's the Doran's Ring full-AP "need no wards cuz traps" butlane nidalee that's grating. :V
On that note, I should play more teemo support. >:D
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i still think teemo support is legit good
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i still think teemo support is legit good
E -> Q -> W -> Q Max and shrooms seems to be pretty legit as far as supporting goes.
he does nullify the enemy ADC for a good while with his Q and his E has legit harrass, and his shrooms can be a nightmare to deal with.
So yeah I would say legit good indeed, so long as you're not against an all-in support or something.
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My personal question would be what items to get. I mean, the FQC line is obvious. Sightstone is, to me, imperative even with shrooms. But what other items?
Personally I would definitely build a Liandri's somewhere along the line, but aside from these, I don't know. Any suggestions?
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frosty fist for the peels
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Spooky Ghosts is never not the correct answer :colbert:
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frosty fist for the peels
I was going to respond that you don't have many in-combat abilities to use as teemo, so you would not be getting many IBG procs... but I guess plopping down a shroom will cause the trigger, and the slow from it would be perfect to ensure the shroom to hit, too. So I would have to think about that.
As toplane bruiser teemo I like to get Frozen Mallet, but since that is one of the most expensive items in the game, I am not as sure about it for supporteemo. Especially since hp is a stat you will get from various items anyways (hi sightstone, hi Liandri's, hi potentially Locket)...
The cdr and mana would help in causing global shroomification as well... I need to try this!
So. FCQ, SS, boots, IBG, Liandri's, Locket as the full 6 item build, order to be determined by various other factors.
Mikael's might be another option, either alternative to Locket or as a replacement for FQC... man, so many options...
As much as I like spooky ghosts, I am not sure I would have the space for them in a supporty teemo build. Then again, I guess you could go for more of a damage build in which the goasts would work better, but... hmmmmmm...
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I think I'd rather go Claim, Sightstone, regular Teemo, and support through shrooms and deeps.
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E -> Q -> W -> Q Max and shrooms seems to be pretty legit as far as supporting goes.
he does nullify the enemy ADC for a good while with his Q and his E has legit harrass, and his shrooms can be a nightmare to deal with.
So yeah I would say legit good indeed, so long as you're not against an all-in support or something.
this is only good sometimes imo
against someone more spell based like graves or sivir, i'd max e first. especially because spell based ad carries tend to be shorter range anyway
re items: i always just got liandry's and whatever the popular support items were at the time
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On the topic of real supports I've been playing Sona.
Recently I've basically been stacking supportive movespeed items on Sona. Ardent; Talisman and Twin Shadows. I even had the gold to take Alacrity last game.
Because Sona dosen't have cast times, so she can move while casting, so being able to move at 500 MS lets her position very easily to maximise her auras; or just fly between people to tag as many as possible. Also makes it a lot easier to position for R even without flash when you move at 500 MS + Talisman + E.
There were 2 hilarious moments last game with Sona:
Teamfight starts around the middle of midlane and quickly becomes a rout for the enemy because I land a good Ultimate. Ezreal blinks and flashes away. I activate Twin Shadows and he catch the fleeing Syndra, but one ghost is heading down the river to the baron pit. It JUST finds the recalling Ezreal [It didn't touch him for some reason, it got stuck on the corner leading to blue buff and kept danceing back and forth with ezreal in vision...], and I notice Ezreal and ping him.
Que me flying through their jungle and killing the Ezreal with Q-Power Chord and a couple of autos.
Allchat exploded after that. 'DIDN'T YOU SEE THE GHOSTS EZ?' our Irelia shouted. And then I just said '2 spooky 4 ez'.
The second thing was Syndra was running from Draven who had popped Ghostblade and Blood rush but got stunned, then I come from warding/de-warding baron, pop E and locket and we just go WOOOOSH and kill her and Draven is even like 'What is this speed?'
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I think I'll be changing my team-oriented mentality to a "fuck everything ever" mentality. The game is a lot less frustrating that way and then I can concentrate on my own play.
And by "fuck everything ever" I mean "disable music, disable voices (so annoying assholes that spam /laugh don't bother me), disable all chat, hide my chatbox so I can't see it during normal play, pick only vayne/lucian, play some touhou music in the background and either force myself out of silver or give up on the game".
It's... actually been working pretty well so far, even if "so far" has only extended itself to normal games, I no longer get frustrated by the small things and actually manage to play my own game, being focused means I can actually Not Screw Up On My Mechanics(tm) which helps a ton.
Toxic behaviour? Yes. But the alternative is "Not have fun playing."
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that's actually not even remotely toxic
a massive percentage of players say nothing in game except for maybe "gg"
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I am essentially disabling all communication with my team though, with the exception of pings, of course.
Doesn't that count as toxic? Especially when you consider that I'm pretty much playing a multiplayer game in what's essentially single-player mode.
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Also, not to distrust what I'm sure is one of Riot's statistics, but personally I have only seen 2 games (of over 1000, counting both NA and BR) where people have genuinely not said anything in-game, and both games were back when I played on NA.
I don't know if it's a server thing or me just being incredibly (un)lucky, but I struggle to remember even one game where the chat was even remotely silent after I got into BR.
@Edit?
Also, btw, Ziggs support is apparently a thing, not a good thing mind you, but a thing. (http://matchhistory.br.leagueoflegends.com/pt/#match-details/BR1/339863286/345801)
I also can't dodge dark bindings to save my life.
Only died once due to that though.
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I am essentially disabling all communication with my team though, with the exception of pings, of course.
Doesn't that count as toxic? Especially when you consider that I'm pretty much playing a multiplayer game in what's essentially single-player mode.
Toxic is actively contributing to the negativity. Saying nothing at all is merely neutral.
Also, not to distrust what I'm sure is one of Riot's statistics, but personally I have only seen 2 games (of over 1000, counting both NA and BR) where people have genuinely not said anything in-game, and both games were back when I played on NA.
There are 10 players in a game. Individual players, as a majority, are quiet.
It's the same with assessing the number of people being assholes in League games. You might see one jerk every ten games, and think it's common - but that's literally 1/90 other players.
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On the topic of fake supports:
Veigar 'support' who proceeds to try and farm up his Q; waveclear with his Dark Matter, and literally eats every single Blitz hook and is 0/10. He also had full AP runes, not even armor. I had to try and actively body block for Veigar with my spellsheild because he was just incapable of doing anything useful.
I was the unfortunate AD who had to deal with this and still stayed roughly level in CS. Although there as no way I could get any kills at all against a superfed Jinx; who snowballs like mad anyway, as Sivir.
Despite basically being in a 3v1 lane my first death was the 16th death on my team...
It's guys like this who make me salty about 'trolly' supports.
Also I tried Taric jungle and I didn't do awfuly. Not playing it again however since it was slower than I expected. [Wow shatter's base damage is really low now]. Note it didn't do awfully despite having an AP Nasus toplane and an AD TF midlane.
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When I need to know there are dumber people Saltyteemo doesn't disappoint; and yes this is a support Braum:
(http://i.imgur.com/z405w23.png)
Double Sunfire; Deathcap and Quill Cloak.
And his team is losing a 4v5.
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So I got the chance to use teambuilder again, and immediately went, of course, for a game as supporteemo. Joined a lobby where the only thing missing was my bot partner, and after over a dozen joined and immediately left, probably because they didn't want to be supported by a teemo, we went into the game.
Turns out they had a nonstandard botlane of Darius + Lee Sin as support. A kill-lane, but they didn't really manage to kill us. They -did- put vayne behind through zoning, but not enough that it was worth it, really. In fact, I got multiple kills towards the end of laning, about which vayne naturally complained but whatever. Later on the game was very messy, with people on both teams getting caught out all the time, but despite losing our mid inhib at one point, we persevered and pulled through.
Edit: Why the hell do I link a screenshot of the postgame lobby when I can just link the new match history thing (http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1637556971/208802977)?!
One thing I find funny is that, despite building basically tank, I had the third highest "dmg dealt to champions", after Vel'Koz and Karthus (i.e. more than the the full-build Vayne).
Still, not necessarily a too representative game, due to the nonstandard enemy botlane setup. More testing required! >:D
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what the fuck are these lcs games
e: no seriously what the fuck
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what the fuck are these lcs games
e: no seriously what the fuck
I don't know I haven't been watching what am I missing
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the backdoors
so many backdoors
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I don't know I haven't been watching what am I missing
2 of the 3 games have been over an hour long and ended by somebody backdooring the opposing nexus while the opposing team pushes into their base.
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trick must be so proud
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Apparently it's XPeke Day here in NA, cause LoLPro in the challenger series just pulled off a win by doing it as well.
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Wait; interesting things happened in the LCS when I'm sleeping during it because it started really late my time?
Dangit.
Clearly they have been taking lessons from EU. NA does tend to do what EU does a few weeks behind. Clearly it was finally time for the XPeke'ing to catch up.
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FreeLG
Nothing can stop the Curse 4th place train
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I've decided to stop watching CLG games live. Too stressful.
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CLG can rotate to Korea, but they can't rotate Curse out of 4th place.
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CLG can rotate to Korea, but they can't rotate Curse out of 4th place.
Nothing can dislodge Curse from 4th place. It is impossible for Curse to come in any other position.
Although Curse coming 4th would be better than any NA team has done since S1 worlds. So maybe the Curse of Curse is good if they ever make it to worlds.
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Even if they didn't make it to worlds, that would literally put them at 4th place once again :V :V :V
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Victorious Skin confirmed to be Morgana.
Meh.
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Victorious Skin confirmed to be Morgana.
Meh.
Stingy too considering people were given a 6,300 champion for free last year if they didn't have Elise before.
[Yes I got Elise for free]
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Fuck Morgana
Though this means I'm wrong about Lucian yasuo victorious/championship
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And then out of nowhere, a new champion
Behold Darude, The Emperor of the Sandstorms (http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/champion-reveal/azir-emperor-of-the-sands) Kappa
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That was fast. I wasn't expecting another champion for months.
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Considering that I read just yesterday that Riot would not do (seemingly anyway) a sand mage anytime soon, I feel cheated.
Also what the fuck is this champion.
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Shurelia's been feeding them stuff, because this is most definitely Alice: The Champion
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Also The next featured game mode involves Shiruma the Crystal Scar and Xerath (http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/29415-ascension-game-mode-coming-soon-to-pbe)
Seriously seeing as the big Shiruma event that has been teased for ages [And this has probobly been in development for a whie seeing all the teasers hidden like Cass and Sivir's new lore] is happening AND SURPRISE SURPRISE XERATH IS CENTRAL TO IT people are in outright denial if they think the ultimate is anyone but Xerath at this point. I fully expect the ultimate skin to hit the PBE very soon to tie into this.
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I think people don't realize Vel'Koz has damage. (http://matchhistory.br.leagueoflegends.com/pt/#match-details/BR1/342338089/345801)
Lissandra thought that just because she could stop my ultimate with hers it should be pretty easy to kill me!
Except not. Because she E'd and I E'd her immediately before she cast a spell, then WQ and the second hit from the W killed her, no damage taken.
First death was a one-for-one against Lissandra, others were because my toplane gnar said "GP has no damage" and I'm like "ok" and then I die and then I press tab. Others were because of seriously horrible positioning.
This was a tri-q, btw, me gnar and fiddles, pretty easy game overall despite its length.
PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT I DO DAMAGE BY PRESSING BUTTONS
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That was fast. I wasn't expecting another champion for months.
Basically, because of delays, Braum and Gnar were pushed back significantly.
Azir is them getting back on track.
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...so. From what I see, Azir is like a cross between Zed and Syndra, but with autoattacking. This... will be interesting.
Unrelatedly, I thought "man, I haven't played ranked on NA in forever, maybe I should do ten games just so that I can keep my border". Apparently, not a great idea. Did three games, all losses. First one was largely my fault (adc with 240 ping is arghlblarghl, and then it turns out my lane opponents are two duoing plat smurfs), second and third I was support and we won our lane (though not stompingly) before getting buttbumped by overfed mid- and toplaners. :V
Maybe I'll do the remaining 7 games next week, but unless I win half of those, I am probably gonna end up in bronze anyways, and then what's the point. :derp:
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my australian friend got to plat/diamond every season with australia ping
SO WHY CAN'T YOU HUH
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my australian friend got to plat/diamond every season with australia ping
SO WHY CAN'T YOU HUH
Team builder 2 fun.
Me 2 lazy.
Also there's some sort of tiebreaker going on in Korea. SKT1 vs SAMSUNG White.
Thing is; SKT is 2-0 down and atm I don't like their teamcomp much. [Graves; Annie; Mundo; Elise; Zilean. OK... so... uh... their lategame damage is all on a 500 range ADC?]
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rip faker ognKakackle
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Even if they didn't make it to worlds, that would literally put them at 4th place once again :V :V :V
If they do make it to worlds, it'll be close, I'm guessing they'd have to bring it to a game 5 to beat C9 just because of how damn well C9 does in tourney situations (whereas Free!LG completely shits the bed).
Its pretty much 100% at this point that C9 and LMQ will make it to Worlds (sorry TSM, LMQ has and will keep shitting on you.) I think it would be Amazing if TSM and CRS fought it out (Xpecial vs Turtle!) in a highstakes 3rd place match though.
And please, they will find a way to be 4th place, even if it means getting 4th place in worlds (CRS or DIE).
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Cassiopeia rework up on the PBE: Everything's damage has been reduced but E now gains bonus scaling per level and she has a new passive.
The new passive gains a stack for every second that there is a poisoned target or when a poisoned target dies, every 25 stacks she gains a bonus 1% AP, caps at 375 stacks.
At 50 stacks her E heals her (base + 0.1 AP which I think is a bit high for a heal on a 0.5 second cd but we'll see)
At 150 stacks cassiopeia gains 30% cdr (kinda stupid tbh but not nearly as good as it sounds since the E proc doesn't work with cdr)
At max stacks the bonus AP from the passive doubles (30% total, probably scales multiplicatively with rabadon's)
What do you guys think? People are freaking out about it but frankly i don't see anything but the heal being a problem since she's low range and has a fairly low mana pool for the amount of spells she has to use (which her previous passive was supposed to mitigate).
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I personally like the change. I can't really think of any hyper-carry mages outide of Karthus and Ryze, who're unpopular and a top laner respectively, so it's nice to see them pushing that character type a bit. Besides, they can always tune the numbers if she gets problematic.
Edit: I guess there's Vlad too. It's been so long since I've seen a Vlad that I kinda forgot he exists...
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fuck vlad
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And please, they will find a way to be 4th place, even if it means getting 4th place in worlds (CRS or DIE).
4th in groups :'C
e: also this new client is so hype DAE?????
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Cassiopeia is getting a rework.
And finally the people ignoreing the 'a' tease from Morello and saying BUT RECALL HE'S TROLLING US when he didn't troll about SGU can shut up because Kah'Zix is getting a non-Ultimate skin. [Giving an ultimate skin to a champion who already evolves seems redundant anyway]
And with this Shiruma update getting even larger [Guess what Kah'Zix's new skin is. A golden scarab. Guardian of the Sands]. You'd have to be more and more in denial if you think the Ultimate is for anyone except Xerath at this point.
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So apparently riot changed the difficulty bars of champions with this update. Most of the ones that used to be at 10 got dropped down to 9~7. Meanwhile, Singed got moved to 10. I have a feeling this was an error. :v
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Just like Dragon doing True Damage with it's basic attacks.
And you've not even seen how badly Rito has broken the PBE. Dragon spawning on the edge of midlane? Baron spawning in the blue jungle's red buff? Buffs spawning inside people's bases?
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And you've not even seen how badly Rito has broken the PBE. Dragon spawning on the edge of midlane? Baron spawning in the blue jungle's red buff? Buffs spawning inside people's bases?
dunno, this sounds like a feature to me
I would so play a game mode with wandering aggressive baron
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You're just peacefully laning at level 3 and suddenly Baron pops out of the ground and eats you and your opponent. :V (Then he gets a Player-Buff)
That would be funny and even if you know about it beforehand you won't really see it coming I imagine.
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The buffs, baron, and dragons eventually group together and form a 6 man roaming gank squad. That'd certainly be one way to change how split pushing is done. :V
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"taric ward baron"
"I can't he just ganked bot"
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New Akali splash yay, but I'm still waiting for a model/visual update, been waiting for 3 years for a new akali skin almost now.
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Due to a combination of wanting IP for Azir; some FPS issues and somewhat laziness I've returned to ARAM for a while.
Aside from a streak of literally Irelia -> Shyvana -> Warwick -> Udyr -> Shyvana; I just had a Lissandra game where we came from behind to win. Their Ezreal kinda got 2 Quadrakills early [Me denying the penta on the 2nd] because I engaged at Teemo's urgeing on the first one; and because we were behind on the second.
Then they tried to dive out nexus towers multiple times and I just went 'nope' as Lissandra.
We won when Ashe somehow hit an arrow on Ezreal at the same time as I was placing a claw near where he currently was to engage on 3 people. The others backed off because OMG claw but then the arrow slammed into Ezreal who was probobly thinking of shifting last second. Then he got snared and blown up. I still had my ulti which I used on Gnar DURING his transformation animation.
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imagine thinking that shyvana and warwick were bad on aram
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imagine thinking that shyvana and warwick were bad on aram
Eh. I'm not that big a fan of Shyvana on Aram. No sustain at all. On the bright side, diving the backline is super easy and you put out enough damage to build mostly tank. My main issue when i got her was that it took super long to build up fury.
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imagine thinking that shyvana and warwick were bad on aram
Almost exclusively melee characters who get kited and in WW's case completely shut down by C.C? With no real waveclear or push?
I mean they're apparently not in the bottom 15 on ARAM but still. Udyr is bottom 5.
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i don't think anyone can argue that udyr isn't almost always awful
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I would like to say that he's as bad as Fiora.
But at least he has some form of CC.
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Almost exclusively melee characters who get kited
but but but champions like garen are godlike in aram.
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I would like to say that he's as bad as Fiora.
But at least he has some form of CC.
learn 2 ARAM Fiora. Q Auto E (resets) Auto Hydra Auto Q Auto and if they're somehow not dead R. You were the assassin all along.
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I would like to say that he's as bad as Fiora.
But at least he has some form of CC.
Fiora at least can Hydra-Ult and splash damage people before she dies horribly.
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rip clg
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How hard can people throw? (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1513629624/44051275) That gold lead.
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How hard can people throw? (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1513629624/44051275) That gold lead.
This is why I hate surrendering matches.
All it takes is lasting until everyone's level 18, and then one good ace can literally change the entire face of the game.
oh, and Soraka rework (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay/BTP5uwf1-this-rework-is-going-to-be-bananas-soraka-rework-preview-and-discussion)
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How hard can people throw? (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1513629624/44051275) That gold lead.
21/1/8 Tristana
I seem to have found the answer to this question
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21/1/8 Tristana
I seem to have found the answer to this question
True, though more than 75% of those kills were post 30 min. I know Trist loves that late game, but still.
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True, though more than 75% of those kills were post 30 min. I know Trist loves that late game, but still.
yeah but you had a really good late game carry who only died once and they had a really eh late game carry
also they all died a ton throughout the game and your team died much less
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CLG has now rotated to Relegations!
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What time are these games airing anyway? I never see them on; even though the NALCS is usually on before I sleep; at least the start.
We know Curse is gonna lose against C9. Then they'll lose the 3rd place game and come 4th.
So 1st = C9 or LMQ; 2nd = C9 or LMQ and 3rd = TSM
I hope 1st is C9 so what is in effect rejects from China don't stomp the NA scene.
Also it's karma for CLG who thought they were 2gud4NAscrimmage [And thus knowing their enemy more!] and went to Korea to train; even throwing away their final week at the LCS. Turns out probobly getting stomped for a few weeks by Koreans dosen't help.
Either that or the general Korean scene [Not the top] is actually worse than the mid NA scene. From what I've seen that is not the case.
The best practise is one where you are challenged but not crushed.
Also: HotshotGG hints that 'change is coming' and he's known the issue for a while (https://twitter.com/CLG_HotshotGG/status/505500173129482240)
Maybe he'll finally bench that egotistical Doublelift who constantly can't really perform to his level of bluster. [Also is this your fault HSGG if you KNEW all the answers but didn't act?]
Also Regi's calling out Montecristo on his whole critiquing other teams and acting like CLG is god.
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oh, and Soraka rework (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay/BTP5uwf1-this-rework-is-going-to-be-bananas-soraka-rework-preview-and-discussion)
Dayumn. You know, I always thought there should be a support who uses health as a resource, in part because that would make giving them a heal ability unproblematic. Guess riot thought that too. Also... dat passive. I am interested in how the starcall-based hp gain scales.
The main thing I dislike is the removal of the mana restore, since it was such a unique thing. Hmm...
Reading the comments, I realized that despite being rewarded for building resistances, the inability to heal herself (ultimate aside) and disincentive for building HP makes it so that a) you are extremely reliant on landing the now-a-skillshot-Q and b) means that you are extremely vulnerable when roaming, which disincentivizes her from making good use of her cool new passive...
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The Ambulance passive is awesome however.
Although Galio is crying in a corner about the AP-scaleing thing. [Also I thought Rito said they didn't want anymore Y that scales off X' passives]
Watching rebroadcast of CLg vs Dig game 4. Wow Seraph's fail teleport.
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[Also I thought Rito said they didn't want anymore Y that scales off X' passives]
Well, Azir has it. Yes, cdr has a cap, but still. :derp:
And they have been wanting to give Galio a different passive since forever, anyways.
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Good point. Although Azir's design kinda mandates it. [CDR for summoning Soliders who attack with you]
Also weee stomping with Lulu support in ranked~ I died right at the end of the game.. by taking 90% damage while tanking a tower for my team during a teamfight after I'd used everything to keep the others alive.
Pretty good reason to die if you ask me.
Also our Jinx never died.
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I'm so hyped for WEEWOOWEEWOORaka, but I can't help but feel that 10% MHP per cast is pretty heavy. On the plus side, the cooldown is really really short now, so her overall power remains to be seen.
Also, RIP SKT. Worlds curse is real.
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I'm so hyped for WEEWOOWEEWOORaka, but I can't help but feel that 10% MHP per cast is pretty heavy. On the plus side, the cooldown is really really short now, so her overall power remains to be seen.
Well, they said that the numbers are completely arbitrary at this point and will undergo heavy changes. The kit and concept in general is what should be primarily looked at.
Personally I think the starcall health restoration needs to include % hp or % missing hp, so that you are at least not -punished- for building some hp. I don't want to be punished for building a locket, a zeke's, and a sightstone. :derp:
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Also it's karma for CLG who thought they were 2gud4NAscrimmage [And thus knowing their enemy more!] and went to Korea to train; even throwing away their final week at the LCS. Turns out probobly getting stomped for a few weeks by Koreans dosen't help.
Either that or the general Korean scene [Not the top] is actually worse than the mid NA scene. From what I've seen that is not the case.
The best practise is one where you are challenged but not crushed.
Also: HotshotGG hints that 'change is coming' and he's known the issue for a while (https://twitter.com/CLG_HotshotGG/status/505500173129482240)
Maybe he'll finally bench that egotistical Doublelift who constantly can't really perform to his level of bluster. [Also is this your fault HSGG if you KNEW all the answers but didn't act?]
Also Regi's calling out Montecristo on his whole critiquing other teams and acting like CLG is god.
From what monte has said about this. Practicing against Koreans wasn't the main motivation.
Much more was, shit was going on in the gaminghouse and they needed to have a change of scenery for a bit. With some there is no point being in NA, we aren't dealing with this and are just going on tilt.
Also monte being on another continent does cause problems for dealing with player issues.
He defiantly will bench players and has said in the past that roster changes are nearly always good.
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We know Curse is gonna lose against C9. Then they'll lose the 3rd place game and come 4th.
The curse of 4th
I think you've forgotten this is Season 4.
Therefore this must be their season
Crs wins worlds.
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It's happening again. Just as with the coming of Elise and Lissandra...
When Azir arrives, everyone will be from Shurima.
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Azir looks like a heimerdinger with mobile turrets and talks about shurima too much.
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It's happening again. Just as with the coming of Elise and Lissandra...
When Azir arrives, everyone will be from Shurima.
i hated this at first, but imo it makes sense to consolidate the lore because there are so many people from fuck-all nowhere with no real motivation to be doing anything
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It's happening again. Just as with the coming of Elise and Lissandra...
When Azir arrives, everyone will be from Shurima.
Actually the retcons were done significantly in advance.
i hated this at first, but imo it makes sense to consolidate the lore because there are so many people from fuck-all nowhere with no real motivation to be doing anything
I think only a few champions are like that now. Like Ryze. Actually Ryze might be pretty much the only one now who we neither know where he is from or his motivations.
Nidalee is from the Plague Jungles still but it seems Rengar is too now and Kah'Zix kinda roams there and I THINK Wukong is from there too but lives in Ionia now so they're making that area larger.
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Meanwhile Orianna is being 'fair and balanced' in TSM vs LMQ.
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i hated this at first, but imo it makes sense to consolidate the lore because there are so many people from fuck-all nowhere with no real motivation to be doing anything
You can argue that, except that to me a lot of the new lore tends to feel forced, as well as generally not very well written. I mean, I am not a writer, but there tend to be things and phrasings that just generally bug me... ah well. :derp:
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If Curse are gonna break their Curse of 4th place now is the time to do it so NA actually represents NA.
And then they can come 4th in Worlds.
Also TSM vs C9 final WE TOTALLY HAVEN'T SEEN THIS BEFORE
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also if they lose then they're still 4th
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Rivington - 'Yasuo is the worst champion to have blue buff on'
No; Yasuo gets reduced C/d on wall at least. It's worst on Rumble where it's an outright DETRIMENT
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Rivington - 'Yasuo is the worst champion to have blue buff on'
No; Yasuo gets reduced C/d on wall at least. It's worst on Rumble where it's an outright DETRIMENT
I wouldn't call it a detriment. You don't have to use your moves off cooldown, being at 100% isn't always a detriment, and having a shorter cooldown on your ult is pretty nice too.
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I wouldn't call it a detriment. You don't have to use your moves off cooldown, being at 100% isn't always a detriment, and having a shorter cooldown on your ult is pretty nice too.
Yup. It's up to you if you push yourself into danger by overusing them.
In other news, I found out that I can Nautilus Jungle and also he jungles startlingly fast. That W.
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I wouldn't call it a detriment. You don't have to use your moves off cooldown, being at 100% isn't always a detriment, and having a shorter cooldown on your ult is pretty nice too.
Except when you are in a teamfight with Rumble or chasing; the 6 second cooldown for Flamespitter is just right to keep it up without overheating yourself. Provided you stagger your Harpoons and are faster than your enemy you can chase fown a lot of champions like this and zone them from the wave. Standard procedure of Rumble is to activate Flamespitter off cooldown because you are chasing after people.
However cutting that period means when you are doing this you just overheat yourself. It plays against the habits and comfort zone of Rumble and makes heat management more difficult. And it's not just Flamepsitter. Your Shield and Harpoons are off cooldown faster as well; and you want to use those off cooldown to chase too.
Also The Equalizer's cooldown is generally good enough as it is except sometimes at Rank 1.
Also the way I like to use Rumble in teamfights or all-ins is weaving in and out. I go forward while Flamespitter is on; and back off to minimise damage when it's off. CDR disrupts my flow.
CDR on Rumble makes heat management harder and disrupts the general play patterns of Rumble. I play Rumble enough that my pattern of weaveing in and out with Flamespitters is almost second nature as it comes off C/D. I feel notably disrupted when I have Blue. That's why I consider blue a detriment to Rumble. If blue made his heat cooldown faster I'd actually be fine with it since it lets his rhythm stay the same. It would also probobly be stupidly OP.
Blue doesn't hurt Yasuo or disrupt his gameflow; and helps two of his skills; not one.I'm a massive speaker for the importance of CDR.
I'll even get CDR boots on champions like Sivir some games [Her base AS is awful anyway and CDR boots lets her use Richochet more often and generally gives her MORE DPS than Zerkers]. On most mages I'll get 40% CDR; even if it's not normal [EG: I play Ahri more as a kite/poke champion than an assassin]. I love champions with a 'CDR overclock' mechanic like Karma. But on Rumble? I keep from CDR like the plague.
I guess it's less of an issue for Eym or other really; really; really high level Rumble players, but for me? I hate getting blue. And I do consider myself above average as Rumble.
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STOP GIVING COP CORKI.
Also why is it every time I see Cop doing well it's on an ADC starting with C? [Caitlyn or Corki]
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I'd just like to point out that you're picking an entirely pedantic argument and basing it around "Because I'm not good enough at the character/game" to support it. Is what the casters said really that important?
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4 T H B O Y S
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clg rotated the ktb to curse apparently
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I'd just like to point out that you're picking an entirely pedantic argument and basing it around "Because I'm not good enough at the character/game" to support it. Is what the casters said really that important?
this is a much more eloquent way of saying what i was about to argue
also raikaria i can't believe that you are trying to argue that having full potential faster is worse just because you can't stop yourself from spamming spells off cd
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Meanwhile Orianna is being 'fair and balanced' in TSM vs LMQ.
Just finished watching. Considering she won when she snowballed and lost when she didn't... looks like any other tournament-viable midlaner to me. :derp:
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Just finished watching. Considering she won when she snowballed and lost when she didn't... looks like any other tournament-viable midlaner to me. :derp:
Edit: So according to Vesh (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=49636633#49636633), the new Soraka passive doesn't actually give you bonus AP equal to 20% of your bonus armor + mr. It actually subtracts 20% from your bonus armor & mr and adds that amount to her AP instead.
Huh.
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Edit: So according to Vesh (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=49636633#49636633), the new Soraka passive doesn't actually give you bonus AP equal to 20% of your bonus armor + mr. It actually subtracts 20% from your bonus armor & mr and adds that amount to her AP instead.
Huh.
It's... interesting. I guess I get why - you'd be disincentivized to buy HP on her since her heal cost rises with HP anyway, and this sort of helps her not become this unkillable monstrosity if she does go defensive as well by mitigating her capability to get defensive somewhat without outright punishing her, and also ensuring her heal scales at least a little on that option.
If that makes any sense.
It'll be interesting to see how she actually plays. All these reworks coming up - Cassiopeia, Soraka, Viktor are being talked about in the short term, and we know Sion's got one well on the way, Gangplank's got one well underway apparently (Given we're getting ult tweaks soon-ish and this is apparently changes from his rework), and Urgot and Poopy are hot topics for the soon future, so...
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And then there's the Fiora and Darius reworks who are on the bottom of the list but have been confirmed to be a thing.
Riot seems to be reworking every other champion nowadays, personally I don't know what to think about this but they haven't exactly screwed it up completely yet (except skarner, but then they fixed it so...)
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This final game is so close holy shit
wow TSM has finally done it
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*Goes to sleep with C9 ahead*
*Wakes up with TSM winning*
This keeps happening.
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tfw lustboy was just passed over like a slice of chopped liver
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I feel like pointing out that of the 15 players representing NA on starting rosters at Worlds; only 7 of those are actually from North America. LMQ is 5 Chinese players; and TSM has 2 from EU and 1 Korean.
That is depressing.
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Riot has once again found a way to part me with my money: Rammuscuddle ward 2cute4me (http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/09/92-pbe-update.html#more)
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Riot has once again found a way to part me with my money: Rammuscuddle ward 2cute4me (http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/09/92-pbe-update.html#more)
That's not how you spell Amumu ward! :V
Riot-senpai, please, my wallet can't take much more!
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Short post on the rumble thing for blue (I can't click links here atm I think).
He's 'better' with it but it does throw off a tempo if you are used to tapping a button over and over to do your spells (like myself and guessing rai does it as well).
Yasuo would be worse with it overall due to cds not working on all his spells or whatever.
Five more months about before I get to play. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So I tried out something silly. Bruiser-Veigar. The idea of course being that if you build tanky items, you are still getting your permanent bonus AP from your Q, and your R can still nuke enemy APs very hard.
The game was a bit weird, (http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1663711652/212768397) since the enemy botlane was Yasuo + Nocturne. The enemy Yi also started building trolly towards the end, selling his feral flare and buying a hurricane. Still part of the idea worked: Building defenses early helps with safely farming AP for Q, lichbane helps translate the bonus AP into damage, and you are still useful later on in the game due to DPS, baby cage, and I was still able to 100-0 the enemy fizz in one combo (though he didn't buy any MR, so yeah).
I am not entirely sure about what Items to build. The first big question is naturally: chalice or tear. And the rest then depends on that (like whether or not to build a frozhen heart).
As a third Item I would naturally want a Lichbane (or a Nashor's but that seemed even crazier) to make use of the bonus AP, and otherwise a good amount of resistances and HP. Cooldown reduction is of course also important. Lastly I was thinking of whether or not Rylais would be a good idea later on since you have a very spammable single-target damage spell to keep somemone permanently slowed.
I know the idea is generally very silly but still. :3
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You're not the first person I've heard of wanting to do tanky Veigar, precisely because he can still generate AP by using his Q consistently. And yes, "what to build" is always the question.
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Can somebody please tell me that the rumours about riot literally retconning pretty much the entire foundations of LoL Lore are false.
Because if true I might just lose interest in league altogether.
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Not certain about how much they're retconning, but it looks like they're adding a couple lines to some champs to make them vaguely related to Shurima. Like Cassiopeia's curse that turned her into a snake is from a Shuriman tomb and Amumu woke up as a mummy in one.
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No, the rumours don't really mention Shurima at all, they're saying things like the JoJ, the institute, the summonners and the League of Legends itself are no longer canon.
Like, I can't find a good source for this try as I might so can somebody tell me if this is fake or not.
Because I really really want it to be
@Edit
Yeah, the source was right under my nose, AKA Riot's own dev blog.
Welp.
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No, the rumours don't really mention Shurima at all, they're saying things like the JoJ, the institute, the summonners and the League of Legends itself are no longer canon.
Like, I can't find a good source for this try as I might so can somebody tell me if this is fake or not.
Because I really really want it to be
@Edit
Yeah, the source was right under my nose, AKA Riot's own dev blog.
Welp.
i haven't read the most recent thing they posted(so this post might be useless and stupid but i'm lazy), but what they previously said was that they don't want to be restricted to what they said in the JoJ and other sources of old lore as times were changing and the scope of what they could do and wanted to do were no longer the same as they were before
however they also said that as long as nothing in the JoJ is contradicted in the current canon, it's perfectly fine to consider it canon
tbh the separation between "then" and "now" seems more akin to pc-98 touhou to windows touhou rather than just "erase everything"
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Welp.
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I'm still not completely certain how I feel about it.
I mean I completely understand its necessity - trying to forcibly justify what the actual game was with the world they wanted to build ultimately was a limiter, so they've made the choice to divorce the story from being beholden by the game.
Which I'm actually kind of okay with, but... the reality is, it's all up to what comes of it.
EDIT: For those who don't understand much about League Lore or why this is a big thing (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/XnsAZmHB-can-someone-post-a-walk-through-that-covers-what-is-happening-with-the-lore) I've got a comment in here that's a little long but basically explains it.
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They better update all champion voicelines that refer to summoners. They also better edit the obvious Nexus out of A New Dawn. :derp:
"Only you can hear me, [BLEEP]. What masterpiece shall we play today?"
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...Actually I think I've reached my decision on the matter: I'm fine with it.
Realistically, even though I'm a lore fanatic of League, the Institute, Summoners, etc., has all basically amounted to nothing BUT an Excuse Plot. It's not the institute I've ever given a shit about, it's the world and characters.
So yeah I'm cool with this, now to just hope Riot doesn't drop the ball.
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i hope something comes of this, but i can't say i'm sad to see the shitty explanation of summoning leave
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Welp.
what even
And there goes our connection to the game's lore. On the plus side, summoners were essentially super smart and talented Mary Sues in lore, and I can't really reconcile this fact with most of the playerbase, so it's bittersweet.
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They better update all champion voicelines that refer to summoners. They also better edit the obvious Nexus out of A New Dawn. :derp:
"Only you can hear me, [BLEEP]. What masterpiece shall we play today?"
Better for Sona, just remove her voice entirely. Replace it all with instrumentals.
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I feel like pointing out that of the 15 players representing NA on starting rosters at Worlds; only 7 of those are actually from North America. LMQ is 5 Chinese players; and TSM has 2 from EU and 1 Korean.
That is depressing.
Your overlords have heard your pleas. (http://na.lolesports.com/articles/interregional-movement-and-expansion-tournament)
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Your overlords have heard your pleas. (http://na.lolesports.com/articles/interregional-movement-and-expansion-tournament)
I'm actually kind of happy with this.
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Join the club.
And it's blatantly targeted at the NA LCS.
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Well the whole thing is prompted because of the uproar about LMQ isn't it. :derp:
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Well the whole thing is prompted because of the uproar about LMQ isn't it. :derp:
I doubt it's just uproar about LMQ. It's also things like the NA LCS quickly approaching NA players being the minority.
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Wait... if I understand it correctly (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/competitive/end-season-rewards-and-new-master-tier), then the victorious ward skin will be awarded in S4 only for ranked TEAM games, and even then, not for reaching a certain rank, but for getting a certain amount of wins, yes?
Because I was thinking of buying a handful of cheap champs and then quickly grinding to silver within a week. Since I managed to reach silver 3 on NA (i.e. with a ping of 200), that should have been not a problem. But if the only tangible rewards are the border and the summoner icon which I wouldn't use anyways, that seems kind of like a waste. I mean, I could try to go for gold, and I think if I had enough time I would be able to get there on EUW, but... don't think I will get there in just 1~2 weeks... :wat:
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if you can play above bronze level in NA and get silver with 200 ping you're probably gold there with good ping.
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i got to plat in 2 weeks last season lol
but our season doesn't end until november so there's still a lot of time
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No Korean teams in TSM's group
#RIGGED :V
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And thus TSM will go out without facing a Korean team. Again. *Shot*
Also Gambit are against one of the stronger looking EU Challengers; SK Prime. We could actually not have Gambit in S5.
Although this does mean C9 will have to face Koreans I guess.
LMQ is in Fnatic's group. ALL will be against C9. SK is against TSM.
Rito did you match up NA and Eu on purpose?
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Kobe just can't stop swearing :V
>Give Group D a nickname
yeah this can only go well
>Worlds Quarterfinals Oct 3
fuck that smash 4 comes out then :Voh actually that doesn't even matter all of these games are happening at like 4 am lol nevermind
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And thus after CLG go to relegations 3-0 to Curse; they now face trial by Curse Acadamy.
This couldn't be better if it was written.
Although if CLG do lose and Curse Academy go into the LCS... who gets 4th place?
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CA is ahead
how is CA ahead
i'm crying
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It might have something to do with Orianna wrecking teamfights and having a whole 3k item ahead. Against a champion that *should* wreck her.
AKA: Orianna being Orianna.
But seriously CLG's teamcomp is awful and they shouldn't be trying to teamfight Curse Academy yet they do. They needed to win lanes and they didn't.
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They're playing the Doublelift interveiw again. I do love to hear that guy say 'maybe I'm the reason we suck' for once.
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Also be honest: How many of you are waiting for a Saint Smite?
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It might have something to do with Orianna wrecking teamfights and having a whole 3k item ahead. Against a champion that *should* wreck her.
AKA: Orianna being Orianna.
But seriously CLG's teamcomp is awful and they shouldn't be trying to teamfight Curse Academy yet they do. They needed to win lanes and they didn't.
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They're playing the Doublelift interveiw again. I do love to hear that guy say 'maybe I'm the reason we suck' for once.
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Also be honest: How many of you are waiting for a Saint Smite?
Ori's great, but I think it was more CLG grouping up and either whiffing their ults or blowing all their crap on Thresh. Also, Seraph got caught a lot.
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Also Viktor rework revealed and on the PBE.
I am rubbing my hands with glee. Between this probobly in 4.17 and Azir coming I'm gonna be spending a greater than normal amount of time in the midlane.
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This is really looking like the end of the line for FreeLG
And thus after CLG go to relegations 3-0 to Curse; they now face trial by Curse Acadamy.
inb4Curse 6-0 CLG :V
or maybe not
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When all else fails; protect the DoubleVayne.
AND THEN ORIANNA IS BEING BALANCED AGAIN [And Links ults Nami > Doublelift]
Also Doublelift mechanics: flash into Lucian's Q.
AND THEN ORIANNA BEING BALANCED AGAIN AT BARON.
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Aphro and Doublelift get stunned
Link ults Aphro
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The thing about Triforce/PD/BotRK Vayne is sure you attack fast and get Silver Bolts.
But you don't actually hit that hard. Triforce procs don't proc off Final Hour; it's base AD.
And the thing about having Lee Sin and Zilean is even if you count someone twice; it's still a 4v5 lategame.
CLG might actually be going out. Here's hoping they ban a certain broken champion who's been wrecking them Game 3. [*coughOriannacough*]
Zuna and others on the analyst panel are calling out Doublelift's Trifiorce too.
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When all else fails; protect the DoubleVayne.
AND THEN ORIANNA IS BEING BALANCED AGAIN [And Links ults Nami > Doublelift]
Also Doublelift mechanics: flash into Lucian's Q.
AND THEN ORIANNA BEING BALANCED AGAIN AT BARON.
Could you please stop.
We all know that Orianna can win teamfights by herself when she has perfect farm and deal tons of damage you don't need to remind us of that.
But, as we stated before, Orianna in LCS is a completely different champion than Orianna in Solo Q.
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Aphro and Doublelift get stunned
Link ults Aphro
When they said CLG should stop focusing on Dlift so much, I think he misunderstood.
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i cant believe how fucking good bunny is at thresh
why did clg not ban this character
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BunnyGodFu.
Edit: And then Seraph suicides
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lq2mY91bLU
I just watched it like six times in a row
it's literally the best pro play I've ever seen
dlift uses all three escape/peel moves and bunnyfufu just gives exactly zero shits
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R - GNAR!
NEW
COME ON AND SLAM
E - Heroic Charge
NEW
AND WELCOME TO THE SLAM
E - Condemn
IT'S TIME TO SLAM JAM
dammit riot
also the clg runback
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Y'know, thinking on it, ulting a Vayne as J4 is going to be absolutely stupid now.
Like, not only can Vayne tumble over your wall, she can pin you to it, you're pretty much dealing some extra damage to her while giving her more damage and a 1.5 second stun. So only if you can kill her pretty quickly or on a teamfight.
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wat
#RIGGED
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this is the goddamn best
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rip soloqueue
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I suggest everyone to not do solo queue for the next few days, I have a feeling Hecarim Mid is going to be a thing.
@edit: choo choo i'm a train
goddammit suikama
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link with the 3000 elo shockwaves
They're finally doing a proper CLG. Get Seraph fed and keep Link at least even so both can protect Doublelift even better. It's genius.
also rip yoloq
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so once again curse loses 3-0 after being up 2-0
the curse curse is eternal
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forever kt
on the plus side CA's a shoo-in for the expansion tourney
e: (http://i.imgur.com/z7IUeCU.gif)
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Could you please stop.
We all know that Orianna can win teamfights by herself when she has perfect farm and deal tons of damage you don't need to remind us of that.
But, as we stated before, Orianna in LCS is a completely different champion than Orianna in Solo Q.
was getting pretty close to posting this myself
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Seriously? I go to sleep with them 2-0 up and of course it turns into a 2-3. Why does this keep happening?
Also I missed Hecarim mid. Can someone fill me in? AP Pony?
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recent results are great yo (http://na.lolesports.com/na-lcs/2015/promo/matches/week-1/counter-logic-gaming-vs-curse-academy)
Game #5.
EDIT: Okay turns out the VOD isn't uploaded at the exact moment I posted this so here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlOFeKzDx3w)
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Considering how the rest of his team did that dosen't seem too awful.
Also if Orianna was banned in Game 5 that's a 100% pick/ban rate in the series for Orianna and a 100% win rate.
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I've formed a ranked team for twisted treeline with friends
gold bronze v here we come
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I've formed a ranked team for twisted treeline with friends
gold bronze v here we come
I still need to, at some point, make a ranked team with friends where the goal is to have your team play ultimate bravery every game. And then see how far we come. :D
Unrelatedly, the new shurima champion lore is in the game. Which is, um, yeah... What? I mean, I get that they want to change the lore, but I would expect them to replace the old one with new one, rather just ripping away the old lore and leaving a gaping blank space where they may add new stuff later...
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I'm pretty sure that Riot said that, within the client, the lore of every champion is gonna be as bare bones as possible, and that the actual lore will only be posted in the website.
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I'm pretty sure that Riot said that, within the client, the lore of every champion is gonna be as bare bones as possible, and that the actual lore will only be posted in the website.
Even then I see no reason to remove 95% of the lore from the client tab, they might as well remove the "Lore" tab from the champion description alltogether and replace it with a button that immediately opens a webpage on the champs lore. I mean, for stuff like the Feats of Braum or whatever, it might be impractical to have that in the client, yeah. That doesn't mean that they should replace Braum's client lore with "Braum is a former goat herder from the Freljord who strives to help all in need. He once found an indestructable door that he now uses as a shield." or something.
I just see no reason to remove the lore from the client at all. Especially if there is nothing within the client indicating that there is more, much less a link to the rest...
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I think it's part of their little crusade to completely separate League of Legends Lore from League of Legends The Game.
Which I frankly don't agree AT ALL with but not much you can do.
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Apparently Xerath is the Viktor to Azir's Jayce. Also Nasus's sweet voice does not prevent me from thinking that the narration is kinda lame. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JKnM6Hh5gOg) Oh well. I guess I really shouldn't care about LoL lore.
This gamemode though... is a thing...
I kinda don't like how random it can be WHO gets the ascension buff since you will usually have at least one person of each team trying to get the killing blow, but aside from that, seems fun enough. :3
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I stole Xerath Buff :D
As Karma
TWICE
My jungleing skills have never been more relevant in a featured game mode.
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I think it's part of their little crusade to completely separate League of Legends Lore from League of Legends The Game.
Which I frankly don't agree AT ALL with but not much you can do.
i'm pretty sure they want to separate it because a MOBA isn't really good for telling stories in, but they have a lot of good characters and a decent universe to tell stories with
the separation means that they can focus on the MOBA as a MOBA entirely and expand the lore in other places instead
small reminder that riot is a steadily growing company with a lot of people from many varying disciplines
small reminder that the company name is "riot gameS" with an s as in they aren't limited to just making league
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I understand where Riot is coming from ryuu, don't get me wrong, I just don't agree with it. Game Lore should be a part of the game itself - not separate from it. And if it's not in the game (which is the part of league that really matters) then the lore might as well not exist.
That's my take on it though, feel free to disagree.
Also, what are you implying.
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i'm pretty sure they want to separate it because a MOBA isn't really good for telling stories in, but they have a lot of good characters and a decent universe to tell stories with
the separation means that they can focus on the MOBA as a MOBA entirely and expand the lore in other places instead
small reminder that riot is a steadily growing company with a lot of people from many varying disciplines
small reminder that the company name is "riot gameS" with an s as in they aren't limited to just making league
True. I'm just still salty about Warwick/Soraka and Trundle Lore Changes.
I understand where Riot is coming from ryuu, don't get me wrong, I just don't agree with it. Game Lore should be a part of the game itself - not separate from it. And if it's not in the game (which is the part of league that really matters) then the lore might as well not exist.
That's my take on it though, feel free to disagree.
It's not a bad idea, but it limits what kind of stories they can tell. I mean as it is now, effectively nothing really big can happen because summonersop. What I think would be a bad idea is if they make the out of game lore required to understand what going on in the game, but I don't think we'll have to worry about that.
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I understand where Riot is coming from ryuu, don't get me wrong, I just don't agree with it. Game Lore should be a part of the game itself - not separate from it. And if it's not in the game (which is the part of league that really matters) then the lore might as well not exist.
That's my take on it though, feel free to disagree.
it's not like lore won't have a place in league. like it's cooler playing ezreal, super famous explorer dude instead of ezreal, anime guy. or like, riven, the noxus exile seeking her own path vs riven, sad girl w/ sword
but MOBAs just suck for progressing stories. the most you can do would be like a soldier vs demoman kind of event like tf2 did
Also, what are you implying.
riot has stated that they want to make more games
they even pointed out that they're company name is riot gameS with an s implying plural
they're hiring a bunch of people from different disciplines of game design, likely to start making new league related games that will do things to progress the lore. or maybe even movies or books or who knows what. they have a lot of people rn who can put out all sorts of stuff
you are now manually imagining a jak and daxter type game starring ezreal in piltover where ezreal upgrades his glove to get a bunch of different weapons and abilities
you are now manually imagining a tenchu/metal gear type game starring the kinkou team and/or zed
you are now manually imagining dynasty warriors with garen and darius and so on
and these are just knock-off games from the top of my head, so who knows what they might create in the future
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I just see no reason to remove the lore from the client at all. Especially if there is nothing within the client indicating that there is more, much less a link to the rest...
There was supposed to be a link.
The major thing though is that apparently the client itself has some hard limits to what can be added as Lore in the client. Like, literally, there's limited text space. This is something they plan to fix in the future as part of the launcher rebuild, but I'd like to hope that's why things are being done as they are.
Too busy watching smash streams and catching up on a year's worth of Q&A posts on Azir to check right now @_@
EDIT: according to the Q&A, the click-through link will be added once the Shurima event's second half comes up and the full-form bios are added to the site.
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EDIT: according to the Q&A, the click-through link will be added once the Shurima event's second half comes up and the full-form bios are added to the site.
Hmm. Little screw up on the timing then but ok, you've redeemed yourself Riot. :P
Unrelatedly: Started to play some ranked on EUW now. So far, 3 wins 2 losses. In both losses, someone on our team disconnected at some point and didn't come back. I hope disconnects deciding games this often won't become a trend. :V
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[stuff about riot making other games]
Pfff, of course the first thing I imagine is MGR with Zed as the protagonist.
I'd buy it.
Still, it does bring in the problem that pushing resources into these games will take resources away from league itself (and I don't mean just people, I mean money too) so that's something to worry about.
Though I guess in the end putting marketing around these games indirectly puts marketing around league itself so I guess they're also indirectly investing in league
bah, thinking is hard, I'll just wait to see what Riot comes up with.
@Edit
POPPY IS ON THE LCS
First mid pony and now poppy what is this
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Still, it does bring in the problem that pushing resources into these games will take resources away from league itself (and I don't mean just people, I mean money too) so that's something to worry about.
money yes, but not so much people
it's kind of the "three's a crowd" saying. you can only have so many people working on a project before extra people just start being in the way. but if you have two projects, then suddenly a lot of people have a lot of things they can do
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it's kind of the "three's a crowd" saying. you can only have so many people working on a project before extra people just start being in the way.
isnt that more like the "too many cooks in the kitchen" saying? :derp:
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Okay that poppy game was amazing.
And, uh, they're buffing Soraka's rework to hell and back.
I'm particularly worried because most of these changes seem to go against what they wanted to do with Soraka's rework (make her easy to kill but a massive healbot), the fact that Equinox now deals damage is worrying because that's basically the only thing it didn't do before (and any damage > no damage) and didn't riot learn anything about making a healing spell cure grievous wounds.
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Poppy nerfs incoming. :qq:
And, uh, they're buffing Soraka's rework to hell and back.
So, what is preventing you from playing the current instance of the soraka rewort like a drain tank who occasionally throws out heals? I mean, what is preventing her from building a decent amoung of HP is the %hp cost on the heal, and if you go sololaner you don't care that much about building some HP.
Edit: I think I might finally have a favorite team. :*
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Well, there are two choices; I'm OK with both to some extent;
* Rework Poppy and make her a real pick in League, balance appropriately.
* Don't rework Poppy, and never ever buff her, and nerf her if she ever sees play.
RIP in Poppies
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I think Riot stated that they would nerf Poppy if they ever found a way to make her early game not suck.
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isnt that more like the "too many cooks in the kitchen" saying? :derp:
isn't your face more like MY FIST
PUNCHING YOUR FACE
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Too many threes crowd the kitchen.
Also, I now believe in unicorns! :munch:
Well, moreso.
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Meanwhile, pr0lly is doing his best Faker impression.
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It's pretty telling how much of that game was the pr0lly show when half of the highlight reel consists solely of him killing people.
Edit: Looks like 1 upset in each LCS. Now to see who makes it in via the expansion tournaments.
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Unicorns of Love are seriously my favourite team in the LCS ever the picks they pull out
And now they're in. Hell yeah.
edit: oh my god phreak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3E3toRPPOI#t=17m37s)
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worlds analyst desk is once again gonna be the every shits on doublelift desk
its gonna be great
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I had to be specifically asking for my team captains to not ban Fiora in order to play her in Ascension
I'd say "what the fuck" but I went 25+ kills twice as her, out of the five winning rounds I played, which was by a notable margin the highest score I saw in any of the games, so...
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Master Yi is apparently getting very similar results in Ascension, don't ask me why.
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I feel like I'd like Ascension a lot more if they cut the win condition to 100 or 150pts and/or took the insanely ridiculous champs out of the pool ala URF mode.
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Master Yi is apparently getting very similar results in Ascension, don't ask me why.
Similar reasons to Fiora, I'd guess on analysis. It's a full time jungle fight with very little vision, which is great for assassins and melee champs in general (easier to get onto people). All gold/exp generation being passive means not being shut down. It's more or less the perfect environment for the kind of assassin-melee ADC hybrid that those two champions are, and I'd imagine Yasuo would be pretty close to similarly stupid.
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Ended placement matches 5-5. Got dropped in Silver III.
When I ended 5-5 on NA in season 3, I got dropped into Bronze I. Huh.
At any rate, that is a distance from Gold V that is possible to attain, but will need some work. I should probably try to play at least 4 ranked games every day I have the opportunity. Hmm...
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I get the feeling that I would do considerably better if I just stopped doing completely braindead things. Like forgetting that the opponent has Ignite and I don't when I all in them or blowing all of my movement abilities at the start of a fight instead of saving them for when they're needed.
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On problem for me might be that I tend to play champions which are not easy to carry with. Setting aside that I am support main and that if my teammates both lose lane and make bad decisions despite of my wards, pings etc I lack the raw power to carry by myself. Same goes for Lulu mid. But I don't feel good picking Lux into a Fizz, for instance, so yeah.
Also, this was an interesting game. (http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/1685304863/208802977) Evidently, Blinding Dart > Fed Vayne. And then Aatrox stole baron. :D
Edit: It appears botlane premades in ranked are either amazing or terrible. In my last game ours even announced that the enemy botlane was not a premade and that Ezreal's kda and w/l was terrible, so it would be easy. Naturally, 2 minutes later... FIRST BLOOD! ENEMY DOUBLE KILL! And said Ezreal ended 20/3/7. :derp:
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Setting aside that I am support main and that if my teammates both lose lane and make bad decisions despite of my wards, pings etc I lack the raw power to carry by myself. Same goes for Lulu mid.
Edit: It appears botlane premades in ranked are either amazing or terrible. In my last game ours even announced that the enemy botlane was not a premade and that Ezreal's kda and w/l was terrible, so it would be easy. Naturally, 2 minutes later... FIRST BLOOD! ENEMY DOUBLE KILL! And said Ezreal ended 20/3/7. :derp:
This (http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=TriSpada+Kotori) happened to me last night as well. Granted, it might have been much easier if our top wasn't lagging really badly due to his fam watching stuff on Netflix, but I digress; stomping lane and roaming decently won't stop an adc from positioning horribly and diving face first into clearly bad teamfights.
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So, I got tired of waiting for
Darude Sandstorm Azir so I bought Gnar.
Game number one (http://matchhistory.br.leagueoflegends.com/pt/#match-details/BR1/356423804/345801) I get absolutely fed despite going against Yasuo top but ultimately lose because Yasuo + Katarina + Kog'Maw = too much lategame power.
Game Number 2 (http://matchhistory.br.leagueoflegends.com/pt/#match-details/BR1/355964587/345801) I go against Akali top and absolutely destroy her, but she leaves lane as soon as I get level 6 and Yasuo comes to lane against me, we pretty much enter a staring contest for the following 7 minutes (while he denies me most of my farm) and I eventually die, so I spend the next 10 minutes alternating between doing wight, wolves and pushing top until I get my Trinity + Botrk and destroy the enemy team because stunlocks OP.
And somehow, it's always the Yasuos that get fed.
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So, I got tired of waiting for Darude Sandstorm Azir so I bought Gnar.
Game number one (http://matchhistory.br.leagueoflegends.com/pt/#match-details/BR1/356423804/345801) I get absolutely fed despite going against Yasuo top but ultimately lose because Yasuo + Katarina + Kog'Maw = too much lategame power.
Game Number 2 (http://matchhistory.br.leagueoflegends.com/pt/#match-details/BR1/355964587/345801) I go against Akali top and absolutely destroy her, but she leaves lane as soon as I get level 6 and Yasuo comes to lane against me, we pretty much enter a staring contest for the following 7 minutes (while he denies me most of my farm) and I eventually die, so I spend the next 10 minutes alternating between doing wight, wolves and pushing top until I get my Trinity + Botrk and destroy the enemy team because stunlocks OP.
And somehow, it's always the Yasuos that get fed.
I'm sure part of the reason Game 1 was Gnar's complete ineptitude at starting/staying in teamfights. [Mini dies instantly and has no damage; Mega gets kited]. If someone else can start the fight or help him get in while in Mega form that's fine. It's like Yasuo is a lot better with other people who do knockups.
But with an enemy team of Akali/Yasuo who are melee and soft Gnar functions fine. If they come to him he can do stuff. Provided Akali doesn't decide to kill you while you are Mini.
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Raikaria, did you even look at my build? Mini gnar or no they'd have to spend a LOT of resources to kill me in that first game, I mean, come on, Locket, Spirit Visage, Ninja Tabi, Sunfire Cape and a Trinity Force? Hard to get tankier than that.
And I contest your claim that Mega Gnar gets kited, because stunlocks exist. And slows exist. No, the reason we lost the first game was because we couldn't close out the first game no matter how much we tried so they got into the Yasuo/Katarina/Kog'Maw lategame and then destroyed us because I was stupid and didn't peel the Yasuo/Kat off my team (so Kog'maw destroyed me after I got locked out by Thresh).
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Yes, if it takes a lot to kill Mini Gnar however he is dealing no damage whatsoever. [Same with Mega Gnar with that build]. People can ignore him. And a tank Mini Gnar is literally less efficient than any other champion in the game with a tank build. Because Mini Gnar has no C.C besides a minor slow, no damage with said tank build, and is the softest champion in the entire game in the later phases. [Lowest Lv 18 HP; lowest non-Thresh armor, 30 MR]
And Mega Gnar is hard to peel; but not hard to kite. He's hard to get away from once he is on top of you because like Olaf he has a semi-resetting skillshot slow which is difficult for him to miss at close range, combined with his 1 and a half stuns [The second is position reliant]. When he isn't on top of you already he's easy to keep away from.
Mega Gnar is useful, particularly in fights in enclosed areas like the jungle where it is easier for him to land boulders at range to close in and near effortless for him to perform stuns with GNAR!. Sadly Mini Gnar is a useless lump of fluff. Also Mega Gnar is far, far more effective as a follow-up initiator, not a main initiator. Be it someone like Malphite or Amumu or Sejuani, or even just somerthing less hard like a Thresh flying in; ulting and lanturning you in.
Alone Mega Gnar is mediocre at best. With team support, like Yasuo or Rumble, he becomes a lot stronger. Which is a good thing seeing as this is a team game. He's still bad as Mini however.
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You say "no damage" and I point you to my 17 kills in the first game and 10 in the second game, despite being behind in the second one. I should also note that some of my kills in the first game were purely Mega Gnar damage, which is significantly lower than mini-gnar.
And yeah, Mega Gnar has a really hard time getting in on the opposing team. Except when you do the leap/crunch combo when at 100 rage, which is something you should be doing every teamfight to initiate.
In BOTH games, people thought they could ignore me because "gnar does no damage!" and I get absurdly fed both games, only lost the first one because of my stupid missplay and kog'maw + kat + yasuo lategame power. And I'm seriously wondering how the hell do you think that a %max health proc is "low damage" especially when it's so easy to proc along with a spammable Q. That's not "no damage", barring the true damage thing, Mini-Gnar plays a lot like Vayne.
Sorry Raikaria, you're just flat-out wrong in this one.
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gnar sucks, this is true
but literally everybody does tons of damage when they get absurdly fed
even the shittiest champions deserve respect
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I contest that statement - I was dealing damage even before I got "fed" in the second game.
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I contest that statement - I was dealing damage even before I got "fed" in the second game.
that's because min-gnar is a stupid painful jerk
but i was speaking more in a broad sense than in regards to the thing in specific
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Oh, alright.
Frankly, I can see why most people think Gnar sucks - he's inconsistent as shit, which is why he'll probably never be used in competitive play. There's also the fact that Mini-Gnar and Mega-Gnar are effectively two completely different champions that require two completely different build paths and two completely different playstyles, people would need to have ample knowledge of both AD Carries (Since mini-gnar pretty much plays as one) and Tanks to play him effectively and find a way to give both forms exactly what they need (which effectively means build bruiser). There's just so many things about gnar that are in opposition that it's hard to wrap your head around, so yeah, I can see why people say he sucks.
(And even when you do know how to play him, there's still the fact that he's just inconsistent and counterplay against him is really easy - don't engage when he's at full rage, so yeah.)
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There are times when you have to question your shot-caller. (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1541967783/48890663)
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Man oh man, I think I found out who to buy after Azir. (http://i.imgur.com/5L2Viqr.png)
Granted, he might be not as good on SR and HA (mana problems, for example), but personally I think he'd be a pretty decent jungler, especially if one or more of the other team's lanes have no escape. He duels surprisingly well, the total amount of damage he can withstand scales upwards the longer you let the fight drag on, and he's excellent at AoE'ing groups and megapeel like a boss, too.
Still trying to figure how exactly I should build him, but at the moment it seems tanky AD rushing Sheen is best. The last 2 games I did like 41k dmg to champs, the highest on my team in the one we lost and only 2k behind Brand the one we won :V (the other 41k game was only lost because our team was literally so lacking in DPS I ended up the highest by like 10k. Apparently Morgana/Teemo/Ez doesn't hurt enough when they have 3 tanks, especially when Teemo chickens out and takes time off to place shrroms, orz)
and having more than 2 junglers (1 of which can't tank) would be nice too.
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you missed the skarner freelo train not long ago. Now he's just balanced and eh because you can pick more broken op stuff than him but he's ok
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Man, they sure pimped out the new champion spotlight visually, and Phreak continues being Phreak.
Azir looks very fun... dammit!
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Azir looks so slick but I will most certainly be competing with my husband for the title of Worst Azir NA let me tell you.
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Meanwhile as I stated when he was first revealed Azir is the sort of champion I want to get GOOD at.
Also having stable FPS and such is doing wonders for my playing right now. Also had the most hilarious ranked game just now as Sona with a Sivir AD, a Lux mid, a Ryze top and a Sej jungle.
Let's just say landing a 4 man Sona ultimate instantly won the teamfight. Which was a 4v5 fight. [Ryze wasn't even there]
Also Sivir R + Sona E + Talisman of Ascensions = EVERYONE IS HECARIM [And no-one can touch the Lux as she spams]
Have I mentioned that I actually like the Sona rework? Feels far more impactful, even if it's only because I pay attention to the little things and hasting your team up is really good. Although I did have one of those moments where it looked like my R hit and it didn't but it was right at maximum range.
But you know one stat I'd love to see?
Damage prevented.
The damage your sheilds absorbed, or your damage reduction reduced. Sadly, stacking shields probably means this can't be tracked :/
Edit: Sadly I cannot carry a Twitch who thinks towerdiving a Thresh lv 3 is smart, flashing into the middle of 3 people is smart, or standing next to the Master Yi who is stunned instead of using my hastes and the stun time to get away...
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"It's definitely Darude-st way to deny minion gold" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqH4AA-KEgQ&feature=youtu.be&list=UU2t5bjwHdUX4vM2g8TRDq5g)
oh my god Phreak
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Phreak has seen too much Twitch chat between the LCS and his own stream.
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@Worlds
What happens when you horribly lose a level 1 fight to Samsung White?
An amazingly hilarious game happens where SSW proceeds to give zero fucks for the rest of the game and get 15k gold up by 17 minutes.
god this match is amazing i'm loving it.
(It's SSW Vs AHQ for the record)
end result? 23 minutes game, 22k gold advantage by ssw
this is amazing
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I don't even care about the result or the quality, this shit is gold. Anyone wanking on and on about competitiveness can walk themselves to OGN.
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after a point it just seemed like AHQ was waiting for 20 minutes, though SSW did some things worth of saltyteemo(dat twitch/thresh towerdive on inner mid turret on tf tho), though I guess you can afford to do these things when you are 10k gold ahead by 10 minutes.
@edit
well, that's worlds for today, tsm have proven that there's a great chance they won't make it past group stages
I'll be surprised if kabum (the br team) actually gets a single win though, as much as I hate to admit it, when a dude that plays nothing but Fiora (and even calls himself "Fiora Mechanics") gets to challenger purely by being carryable, you know something's wrong.
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Perhaps TPA's performance will finally shut up the haters KEK
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they still lost tho :derp:
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I'll be surprised if kabum (the br team) actually gets a single win though, as much as I hate to admit it, when a dude that plays nothing but Fiora (and even calls himself "Fiora Mechanics") gets to challenger purely by being carryable, you know something's wrong.
If I see Fiora at Worlds I'm going to be extremely happy.
Even if it turns out the player's god awful.
I just really love Fiora.
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Doesn't matter where in the world you are, some things are just universal (http://i.imgur.com/XG7yomj.jpg)
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boo I missed today and likely tomorrow's games. I didn't know it started so soon. Now I gotta watch the reboardcast.
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If I see Fiora at Worlds I'm going to be extremely happy.
Even if it turns out the player's god awful.
I just really love Fiora.
Nothing against you but I seriously don't want to see any Fioras in my ranked games, I'm glad they're gone and I hope they never come back.
Especially after a dude I know decided that mid Fiora was legit and got carried to gold by spamming it, and flaunts that around my face because I'm too lazy to climb out of Silver.
And there's no better way to bring a champion into solo q than seeing it picked into worlds... especially considering Kabum is (IIRC) the only BR team in worlds :colonveeplusalpha:
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Gosh that mash every button and either kill them or die fiora play!
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So I just played a Dominion match with the insistence of 2 friends, and all 7 other players were bots.
Wat.
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So I just played a Dominion match with the insistence of 2 friends, and all 7 other players were bots.
Wat.
Dominion has a fuckload of bots playing it, because it's not watched over much by Riot, and people can use it to farm IP/EXP.
Riot's supposed to be doing something about it. Hopefully. 7 bots in one game is a record though.
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If I see Fiora at Worlds I'm going to be extremely happy.
Even if it turns out the player's god awful.
I just really love Fiora.
Yeah you're wisahing on a star to see Fiora at Worlds I...
What am I saying someone picked mid Hecarim in promos and he actually did OK. [It was the rest of his team falling apart...]
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Yeah you're wisahing on a star to see Fiora at Worlds I...
What am I saying someone picked mid Hecarim in promos and he actually did OK. [It was the rest of his team falling apart...]
Poppy has a 100% win rate in the LCS :V
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Poppy has a 100% win rate in the LCS :V
and an infinte KDA
also today's pools have started and what the fuck the supports are sona vs janna
I mean I'm not objected to this at all but what.
EDIT: holy shit please watch TPA vs SK's match from this morning it's just constant back and forth and big plays
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Tristana has a 100% pick/ban rate and a 100% win rate so far I believe.
Edit: Oh wait apparently SK managed to lose with her.
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DP lost with her too IIRC
e: nvm i'm a dum, that was almost certainly before their game
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Guys, convince me to do ranked. Last time I had to 7 matches with the last 6 hours of season 3. I don't want to do that again. At the same time though, I don't want to ranked.
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hello solo queue meet AD alistar (http://i.imgur.com/2OOxxbr.jpg)
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hello solo queue meet AD alistar (http://i.imgur.com/2OOxxbr.jpg)
oh god, a lot solo queue players probably don't know that Worlds is played on the 4.14 patch, and will try to play top AD cow and won't realized that he's been nerfed.
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hello solo queue meet AD alistar (http://i.imgur.com/2OOxxbr.jpg)
what the fuck
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what the fuck
4.14 man.
He got nerfbatted for good reason.
That was SK being behind on kills and cs, but ahead on objectives for most of the game. With candypanda's big lead negated by it being blue ez lategame.
IE cow for better tower killing. (and GA popping)
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That cow build is like; not even new.
I've been seeing it and hearing about it for a while. Since the patch before the Worlds patch.
But yeah; free sucker-punch after headbutt Triforce+IE+Bonus AD from Ulti+Shiv Crit Chance = KABOOM. And you have good HP so can let Unbreakable Will do the rest.
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YEAH DAE AHQ SO RESIDENTSLEEPER AMIRITE??????? YEAH DAE SEA SHOULD BE A WILDCARD TEAM AMIRITE?????? COME ON, OUT OF THE WOODWORK WITH Y'ALL, MY OTHER BOYS ON FIRE TONIGHT
e: TIEBREAKER GET
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You tried TSM
but then sven happened
racism confirmed op once again
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EU proving that if Sven wasn't a racist idiot TSM would be out. Also EU #3 beat NA #1.
But seriously; not only has Sven knocked his own team out; he's basically doomed TSM to Samsung White. Who they will not beat. TSM never beats Koreans. [Apparently Korean forums are saying they have a free path to Semis now]
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Hmmm has anyone seen this LoL x Touhou crossover video?
Teemo stole the Precious thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejx6NCjdSxk
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There's also Draven Stole the Baron Thing, which is objectively better on account of it featuring Draven.
It looks like the Sion rework is going to be released relatively soon. They're throwing out the teasers now.
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There's also Draven Stole the Baron Thing, which is objectively better on account of it featuring Draven.
It looks like the Sion rework is going to be released relatively soon. They're throwing out the teasers now.
I wonder who the "Thorn" and "Petal" people in the teaser are.
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(http://puu.sh/bKnCT/53de5d72b3.jpg)
Nine bots. Why was this allowed to happen
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I agree delete aram
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*Looks at lore so far of what seems to be Sion rework*
So... he's an undead Darius.
I mean; let's decribe Darius and then describe Sion:
Darius:
Right hand of the Grand General of Noxus
Believes in strength and facing his enemies
Wields a large axe
Melee Fighter
[Apparent] Reworked Sion
Right hand of the [past] Grand General of Noxus
Belives in strength and facing his enemies
Weilds a large axe
Melee Fighter [Judgeing from his new lore I think AP is what's being ditched]
I'm not exactly impressed that so far new Sion seems to be, at least lore-wise, Undead Darius.
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In Riot's defense, this is part 1 of 4, so I think it's safe to say judgement should be reserved.
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In Riot's defense, this is part 1 of 4, so I think it's safe to say judgement should be reserved.
i think raikaria is incapable of trying to shit all over anything riot puts out the second it's spoken about
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Game 1: Me in bot lane, we win lane really early, and help out other lanes. Midgame no one listens to pings and keeps getting caught in unwarded enemy jungle. Defeat.
Game 2: I'm jungle kha. I snowball every lane. Winning super hard. 7-2 by 14 minutes and already took down 2 towers and dragon. Got drop hacked.
Game 3: Kha again, winning again. 5-1 and a tower at 10 minutes. My adc disconnects. Defeat.
just another average day in solo q
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In Riot's defense, this is part 1 of 4, so I think it's safe to say judgement should be reserved.
And the next parts are about him after he was resurrected.
I dunno I woulda liked alive Sion to be... not a Darius clone.
Apparently resurrected his an unstoppable force who kills friends and foes alike. Which *is* new.
He was goofy before, now he's going DARK SERIOUS MODE. That said his old ulti was called cannibalism so ~_[._.]_~
And Ryuu consider Riot are taking a dump on all the old lore high standards are expected of the new lore.
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And Ryuu consider Riot are taking a dump on all the old lore high standards are expected of the new lore.
you are literally mad about a noxian who used an axe that came out before darius being reworked into a noxian who uses an axe with lore that makes him a little more relevant than being "some guy good at killing people"
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I think Sion's new lore is actually more interesting because his personality in life seems so similar to Darius'. It raises the question if the same could happen to Darius, or any other high ranking/powerful Noxian champion, and makes the fact that he's now an insane zombie killing machine more tragic. Considerably more tragic than his old lore of him being an insane killing machine in life that was brought back as a zombie.
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yeah i can't imagine anyone unironically thinking that anything could be worse than arnie quote machine/killer mcguy without just searching for something to cry about
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yeah i can't imagine anyone unironically thinking that anything could be worse than arnie quote machine/killer mcguy without just searching for something to cry about
Because it's unique compared to what other champions are?
Sion in life was a brute of a man, used like a 'battering ram' because of his durability and love for slaughter, but he got captured and executed by Demacia in the end. Then Katarina recovered his corpse [Let's remove Katarina from the equation eh?]. And he rarely sees frontline fighting after his ress because he is so valuable.
I mean, the whole quote from Pantheon has also lost meaning: 'For Noxus, death is a promotion'. That was meaningful and powerful about the fate of Noxian soldiers. Now he's basically 2nd in command before he died. He sure wasn't promoted in death.
Now Sion in life was Darius. He doesn't see frontine fighting because he kills friend and foe. The Black Rose had a hand in his ressurection, but that was never not stated before. And it dosen't show anything about Darius' fate because Noxus won't do this again with what Sion has become now, lowering their own troop's morale. Darkwill has had to kill entire squads for refusing to fight at his side...
So no, Sion was not just 'generic kill em all guy'.
Maybe it'll get better with Days 3 and 4. But so far it's very disappointing especially with the fact that most past lore is being outright removed, including the Leauge itself. When you do something so drastic as retcon all lore so far and remove the game's namesake from the lore people expect big things to replace it.
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Ok, I'll admit something very controversial.
I never really read up on old league lore before today.
It's not that I don't like lore or reading. I'm the kind of person that will read every word of a quest chain even if the reward is useless on my character. I just never got into League's lore though. Part of it was because of my on-off relationship with the game, but a lot of it stemmed from how seemingly random everything felt. Like seriously wasn't old Nasus an alien librarian that was just randomly summoned at the worst possible moment by summoners? And then he was easily convinced that fighting in the league was somehow more important than going back home and finishing the war with his people?
Now we have Sion, who simply was a random mindless killing machine while alive turned random mindless killing machine while dead. Now in two parts he is a famous Noxian warrior who died killing a king (rather than simply being caught and executed) tragically reborn as a mindless killing machine who can't tell ally from enemy. Much more interesting and that's only half of his lore apparently.
I honestly am liking the idea at least of connecting everything into one world instead of having it being so seemingly random. Sure sometimes the execution is flawed but it honestly has me caring more now than before. Assuming they flesh out some stories more (like Xerath's motivation for betraying Azir) then I'm happy.
Just my two cents though. :blush:
Because it's unique compared to what other champions are?
Sion in life was a brute of a man, used like a 'battering ram' because of his durability and love for slaughter, but he got captured and executed by Demacia in the end. Then Katarina recovered his corpse [Let's remove Katarina from the equation eh?]. And he rarely sees frontline fighting after his ress because he is so valuable.
I mean, the whole quote from Pantheon has also lost meaning: 'For Noxus, death is a promotion'. That was meaningful and powerful about the fate of Noxian soldiers. Now he's basically 2nd in command before he died.
Now Sion in life was Darius. He doesn't see frontine fighting because he kills friend and foe. The Black Rose had a hand in his ressurection, but that was never not stated before. And it dosen't show anything about Darius' fate because Noxus won't do this again with what Sion has become now, lowering their own troop's morale. Darkwill has had to kill entire squads for refusing to fight at his side...
So no, Sion was not just 'generic kill em all guy'.
Was seriously about to post when you did.
First off, how is "mindless battering ram" in life better than a strong warrior who single-handedly took on an army and killed a king? How is dying by getting captured due to stupidity and then executed better than dying killing said king with your final breath? Face it he was generic "kill them all guy" in life before. Sure you can argue new "alive" Sion was Darius in a past life but I'll personally take that over mindless battering ram any day.
Secondly what part of "part 2 of 4" do you not get? His lore is not done. Nasus' quote carries no meaning now sure but it may be scrapped altogether by the time we're done.
Thirdly, I wonder where you get "Darkwill has to kill entire squads"? Not being confrontational, I am genuinely curious? Is it old lore? I'm not seeing that anywhere in the new lore, so if you can point it out or link it I'd very much appreciate it.
Finally, and this is my biggest question concerning Sion lore, why was he alone? I mean if you had the power to raise an army of undead warriors who apparently get stronger after reanimation why stop at one? Is it because of the league? Because if so that just shows how limiting having the IoW and summoners was.
Holy crap this post got out of control... :wikipedia:
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I'm not seeing that anywhere in the new lore, so if you can point it out or link it I'd very much appreciate it.
During today's update, it's stated that Darkwill had to 'cull three squads for refusing to march alongside it', which it's fair to assume is Noxian Euphemism for "we had them executed".
That said, old Sion wasn't really anything. He was just sort of there, a loosely slapped together set of ideas that didn't really mesh. "Here's arnold the undead battle zombie with caster spells but wants to slap things in the face to get HP!". If Sion is an 'undead Darius' now, it's because Darius was basically 'Okay, this time let's do what we wanted to do with Sion but not have it suck this time'. Just because the original Sion was 'unique' for his awkward schwarzenegger impression didn't mean it was actually good.
Finally, and this is my biggest question concerning Sion lore, why was he alone? I mean if you had the power to raise an army of undead warriors who apparently get stronger after reanimation why stop at one? Is it because of the league? Because if so that just shows how limiting having the IoW and summoners was.
This question is making a lot more sense in the current light. It's not that Noxus can't bring back the dead, because the Rose clearly have the capabilities (albeit with great effort apparently in order to do so) - but rather that it seems that Sion is both the great Noxian hero and the great Noxian horror story - a hero so powerful turned into a monster unstoppable and uncontrollable.
I'm interested to see where this goes.
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Because it's unique compared to what other champions are?
unique =/= good
something's uniqueness in a group does not inherently make it good
four pots of flowers and a pot of shit stand in a row. the pot of shit is unique, but it's a pot of shit
Sion in life was a brute of a man, used like a 'battering ram' because of his durability and love for slaughter, but he got captured and executed by Demacia in the end. Then Katarina recovered his corpse [Let's remove Katarina from the equation eh?]. And he rarely sees frontline fighting after his ress because he is so valuable.
he didn't see frontline fighting because a: the fuckin wars stopped and b: he was more valuable as a league champion because everything was done through the league and not actual war
without the league, he's kind of in a null zone of value
I mean, the whole quote from Pantheon has also lost meaning: 'For Noxus, death is a promotion'. That was meaningful and powerful about the fate of Noxian soldiers. Now he's basically 2nd in command before he died. He sure wasn't promoted in death.
that quote had already lost its meaning because there are literally no other noxus zombies. it would have been meaningful if it was a common practice, but it wasn't. literally just sion. also the quote was more of a commentary of noxus's lack of respect towards the dead rather than a literal interpretation.
Now Sion in life was Darius. He doesn't see frontine fighting because he kills friend and foe.
which is infinitely more interesting than arnie killer mcguy
The Black Rose had a hand in his ressurection, but that was never not stated before. And it dosen't show anything about Darius' fate because Noxus won't do this again with what Sion has become now, lowering their own troop's morale.
it doesn't have to show anything about darius's fate? darius has nothing going on here. you're the only person thinking of darius
Darkwill has had to kill entire squads for refusing to fight at his side...
once again, a billion times more interesting than his shitty old lore
So no, Sion was not just 'generic kill em all guy'.
except he literally was. his entire lore was "he just ran at demacia and killed them until he got captured like a moron and died. then noxus resurrected him". he had literally nothing notable going on. the only part of the previous lore that was actually about sion as a person was literally just "he ran at people until they died." he had no personality traits, no notable feats, no factoids or personal connections, just killing people
Maybe it'll get better with Days 3 and 4. But so far it's very disappointing especially with the fact that most past lore is being outright removed, including the Leauge itself. When you do something so drastic as retcon all lore so far and remove the game's namesake from the lore people expect big things to replace it.
you're complaining except you forget that sion is basically the only relaunch that requires a full simultaneous rework. he requires a VU because his model is garbage, he requires new lines because his old voice is dated and arnie jokes aren't funny, the new lines require new lore(which is what we're seeing now) to back them up, and on top of all of that he needed a full gameplay rework
due to the scope of that project, it would be completely fucking ass on head stupid to not release him when they were done instead of waiting for bigger lore things to happen first.
i'd say that i couldn't believe that you're even mad about this, but then i remember that you get pissy about literally every single change that happens so whatever
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I've always wondered if the LoL lore was "terrible" in the sense that it was sparse and not very well developed in an effort to try and engage the community to produce something better... like Touhou.
Its clearly not working as well though ???
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Now Sion in life was Darius. He doesn't see frontine fighting because he kills friend and foe. The Black Rose had a hand in his ressurection, but that was never not stated before. And it dosen't show anything about Darius' fate because Noxus won't do this again with what Sion has become now, lowering their own troop's morale. Darkwill has had to kill entire squads for refusing to fight at his side...
I'll admit to cheating a little on the information on this one: LoLWiki has datamined his story (http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Sion/Background). The third one mentions that the Noxian government wiped the whole debacle from the history books. Nobody's going to learn from this and they have the power to do it again. There's no saying that the same sort of thing is never going to happen again.
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During today's update, it's stated that Darkwill had to 'cull three squads for refusing to march alongside it', which it's fair to assume is Noxian Euphemism for "we had them executed".
Huh I totally missed that. Thanks.
This question is making a lot more sense in the current light. It's not that Noxus can't bring back the dead, because the Rose clearly have the capabilities (albeit with great effort apparently in order to do so) - but rather that it seems that Sion is both the great Noxian hero and the great Noxian horror story - a hero so powerful turned into a monster unstoppable and uncontrollable.
I'm interested to see where this goes.
Yeah that's my point. In the old lore Sion was reanimated into an even more powerful being and Noxus kind of just stopped there. In the new lore it makes much more sense.
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Spoilers tag please. Just for those of us who wish to follow it slowly rather than read a datamine. Thank you. :)
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Well, with Day 3 now out, I think we have most of the new lore covered, honestly don't remember what was datamined from day 4 except
a video
.
I'm actually enjoying the new lore quite a bit, new Sion feels like he's actually important and not just a thing that's there. That said, I kind of want to know where exactly they'll go with this, until then, I'm more interested in that supposed Shurima epilogue.
I'm still wondering which Jarvan was killed though, but I don't know if that will ever be answered. Most people are saying Jarvan II, I'm thinking Jarvan I on the sole fact that he was the only one not even mentioned yet (IIRC).
I also wonder if they'll flesh out Vayne's lore at some point, 'cause, you know, Vayne. If they keep up this level of quality though, I will be pleased.
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Well, with Day 3 now out, I think we have most of the new lore covered, honestly don't remember what was datamined from day 4 except a video
.
I'm actually enjoying the new lore quite a bit, new Sion feels like he's actually important and not just a thing that's there. That said, I kind of want to know where exactly they'll go with this, until then, I'm more interested in that supposed Shurima epilogue.
I'm still wondering which Jarvan was killed though, but I don't know if that will ever be answered. Most people are saying Jarvan II, I'm thinking Jarvan I on the sole fact that he was the only one not even mentioned yet (IIRC).
I also wonder if they'll flesh out Vayne's lore at some point, 'cause, you know, Vayne. If they keep up this level of quality though, I will be pleased.
If we go by Xin Zhao's lore, J3 should still be alive... so it probably is J2. However, in the war of the Crystal Scar, it looked more like J4 was involved (despite "him" actually being LeBlanc
) and neither J3 nor J2 were mentioned.
e: i can't into story, the war mentioned in Sion's new lore seems to have nothing to do with Crystal Scar, whoops
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Prepare to dunk. (http://youtu.be/qeczPH8oW3M)
Unfortunately, his voice doesn't seem as gravely as usual. I'm a little sad about that.
Edit: Apparently his bleed is now replaced with little basketballs circling the opponent, with the 5th mark being a flaming hoop. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lL_tvKLroY#t=1m17s)
It seems like they've also found Championship Shyvana, Ravenborn Leblanc, and Underworld Wukong skins.
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if only leblanc wasn't thrown in the dumpster and left to rot I would be excited for her skin
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If we go by Xin Zhao's lore, J3 should still be alive... so it probably is J2. However, in the war of the Crystal Scar, it looked more like J4 was involved (despite "him" actually being LeBlanc
) and neither J3 nor J2 were mentioned.
e: i can't into story, the war mentioned in Sion's new lore seems to have nothing to do with Crystal Scar, whoops
J3 is the current King of Demacia, so he is still alive, J4 is the prince and Xin Zhao's story takes place who knows how long ago.
However, it seems like between the death of the "Jarvan" by Sion's hands there has been a lot of shit going on, including an entirely new matriarch of the Black Rose (and wasn't "our" LeBlanc implied to already be pretty old, only using magic to disguise herself as young and beautiful? Her judgement makes her seem like she was chosen as matriarch when she was pretty young.) so it seems Jarvan's death happened quiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite a bit ago.
Of course, since there's no way to know exactly how long ago it was, it could be J2, I'm more inclined to believe it was J1 though.
if only leblanc wasn't thrown in the dumpster and left to rot I would be excited for her skin
Oh come on, 4.17 just buffed her.
Minor, yes, but I don't think she's been forgotten, not by a long shot.
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Prepare to dunk. (http://youtu.be/qeczPH8oW3M) Unfortunately, his voice doesn't seem as gravely as usual. I'm a little sad about that.
Edit: Apparently his bleed is now replaced with little basketballs circling the opponent, with the 5th mark being a flaming hoop. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lL_tvKLroY#t=1m17s)
Oh My God
its finally happening
HE ACTUALLY FUCKING DUNKS ON THEM FOR HIS ULT OH MY GOD
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"What is it you Mastered, Yi? Sucking?"
OH NO HE DIDN'T JUST TALK LIKE THAT TO THE ORIGINAL DUNKMASTER
(Holy shit this skin is amazing.)
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Actually LeBlanc is the tile of the Leader of the Black Rose. It's not her real name. When you become the matron of the Black Rose you take on the original matron's name, Hence why there could have been 'LeBlanc' years and years ago. Anyway; LB is 'the deceiver'. She could look like anything but be using an illusion to appear as she does.
And since Darkwill was the general before Swain, I think it is reasonable to assume the Jarvan Sion killed was Jarvan II. Unless the lore retcon makes Jarvan IV king and his father dead, they'd have to redo this lines however.
Anyway; time for THE GLORIOUS EVOLUTION. And Ambulance Soraka.
Also Victorious Shyvana. I don't think anyone saw that coming and I don't think anyone really cares about ANOTHER Shyvana skin.
Also Dunkmaster Darius has taken lessons from Draven in ego. Perhaps it runs in the blood after all.
[It's funny because Darius is actually nothing like a carry but this skin acts like it]
'Arrrr... you suck' - Poor Gangplank
So many taunts.
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Also Victorious Shyvana. I don't think anyone saw that coming and I don't think anyone really cares about ANOTHER Shyvana skin.
Championship Shyvana, not Victorious. The difference being that Victorious skins are gold ranked rewards, while Championship skins are skins that are sold during the days of the world championship finals - and only during that time.
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Wrong name. I knew which I meant, I'm just too stupid to say it right.
Viktor game went OK but it was a 4v5. New Death Ray is even better waveclear than before because speed is the essence in waveclear. Early farming wasn't fun but I didn't get a single blue all game [Rengar kept taking it...] and I was against a Zed. So I had to play careful with my mana and cooldowns in case he tried to all-in [upon which I would throw my stun on myself, hit him with Q and then press R.]
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Kabum loses 13 to 1
I'm amused they even managed to get a single kill, really.
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blue side 2 stronk
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So out of the srsbss I play in LoL (aram only) I noticed Soraka's changes and I was like: "There goes another fun aram hero for me."
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*Looks at Sion's new kit*
I honestly don't see the point of him still having his shield except so AP Sion people don't completely cry.
Other than that, jury's out.
Also those Azir buffs on the PBE are laughable. He has a 42% winrate still. Giving him a base Ad buff literally does nothing.
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Giving him a base Ad buff literally does nothing.
i was about to reply to this before i realized it would have been like the fifth argument about how powerful base AD is and that no matter what anyone said, you'd still aggressively not understand how powerful base AD is
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And can we please not forget that Azir is bugged (and will be bugged until 4.18), so talking winrates right now is completely meaningless?
I mean, his soldiers sometimes fail to deal damage altogether, I'd wager that's a pretty big contributor for the low winrate.
Ah yes, I just noticed.
Centuries passed before another Grand General returned to Sion’s tomb determined to fully resurrect the great champion once again.
...which means he most certainly did not kill J2, as he is about the age of xin zhao, who must be around his late 60s or something to that effect.
The term "centuries" is rather odd though, especially if we assume if J1 was indeed J2s father, though J1 may have been J2's great-great-great grandfather or something, that has happened in history before.
Hmph, I guess it matters little though. Let's see what they decide to do with Sion from now on, his Lore is actually pretty cool though.
...Though the fact that his shield now deals % max enemy health worries me, maybe AP Sion isn't completely dead after all.
Or maybe he'll just be a bit too much as AD, we'll see.
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And can we please not forget that Azir is bugged (and will be bugged until 4.18), so talking winrates right now is completely meaningless?
I mean, his soldiers sometimes fail to deal damage altogether, I'd wager that's a pretty big contributor for the low winrate.
WHAT I THOUGHT WINRATES WERE THE END-ALL BE-ALL OF CHAMPION STATISTICS
WINRATE IS THE ONLY ABSOLUTE MEASUREMENT OF CHAMPION POWER AND VIABILITY
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If AP Sion still works it'll be a fluke. No stun to wear through the initial timer on the shield before it can be detonated, and only 40% of the original AP ratio in damage, max health on target scaling or no [especially as that part doesn't scale with AP.
I'm interested in ASPD Sion eating people's faces with that +10% of max HP per attack when he goes into Glory In Death. Maybe AP Sion will still exist and be more reliant on Nashor's Tooth and shit instead of "either I detonate my shield and deal huge damage or am useless". (All of this is a bad idea)
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I'm interested in ASPD Sion eating people's faces with that +10% of max HP per attack when he goes into Glory In Death
Unfortunately, Riot stated in the initial Sion Q&A that his attack speed gets set to a specific, though very high, number while in Glory In Death. Largely so that people can build full tank and still wreck face while undead-er.
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Unfortunately, Riot stated in the initial Sion Q&A that his attack speed gets set to a specific, though very high, number while in Glory In Death. Largely so that people can build full tank and still wreck face while undead-er.
Ohhh. Kind of unfortunte although I guess it makes sense.
Man I'm excited to Sion.
EDIT: For the confused, the Jarvan Sion killed was actually Jarvan I (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/Ri5axaE8-riot-which-jarvan-is-xin-keeping-his-bodyguard-role?comment=0006).
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Unfortunately, Riot stated in the initial Sion Q&A that his attack speed gets set to a specific, though very high, number while in Glory In Death. Largely so that people can build full tank and still wreck face while undead-er.
That, or... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vjg_W7PjjQ)
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Goddammit Fnatic
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Welp seems like C9 and NotNA>EU
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Man, Darius really IS Draven's brother. He is such a DICK.
And unless they pimp the AP ratios or put additional ones on Sion's other abilities, yeah, AP Sion is now on a similar level as AP Caitlyn. :derp:
My main question right now is how exactly his life drains after he dies, and how said lifedrain scales. If he loses a % of his max hp every 0.25 seconds or something like that... wouldn't that undermine his max-hp-farm W-passive?
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It's a % max HP. And it dosen't undermine anything. You live longer before your passive pops.
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It's a % max HP. And it dosen't undermine anything. You live longer before your passive pops.
Yup. Yes, you might be reducing the amount you can extend it via less lifesteal, but I'm pretty sure you'd need a silly amount of AD and lifesteal to begin with to successfully sustain the passive form, as it looks like it lasts maybe 5-6 seconds naturally. If you're building full tank you don't have much AD anyway to make that matter.
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I think what he meant is that the more max HP he gets, the less extra time he'd get from lifestealing while on his passive. Yeah, it's a liiiiittle counterproductive there, but I don't know if that's worse than losing flat HP over time while also getting that big AS and lifesteal buff. Besides, getting more max HP from his W passive meant he got more farm, and more farm meant he could buy more items, which either increases his damage output => more lifesteal during zombie, or less % of his HP taken as damage from other champs => also more longevity during zombie. Whereas if he lost flat HP over time he could just snowball his stats and drag out his zombie time more and more.
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oh shit son Gangplank changes on the Pbe
Not a full overhaul, but his ult is now "Does damage and slows in the entire area every second" instead of "pray you hit things"
(I am the only person who'd get excited over Gangplank)
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oh shit son Gangplank changes on the Pbe
Not a full overhaul, but his ult is now "Does damage and slows in the entire area every second" instead of "pray you hit things"
(I am the only person who'd get excited over Gangplank)
ABOUT TIME.
That alone is a massive buff.
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They either needed to do that or institute heat-seaking Gangplank cannonballs. The inconsistency of his ult is the entire reason I don't play that guy.
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oh my god this game (FNC vs OMG)
just
wow
In other news, Riot confirms Sion killed J1 (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/Ri5axaE8-riot-which-jarvan-is-xin-keeping-his-bodyguard-role?comment=0006).
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did Alliance just pick Rammus am I seeing this right
(also I already linked that a while ago ;-;)
EDIT: LMQ vs FNC more like "why you don't feed the ADC: a demonstration"
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(I am the only person who'd get excited over Gangplank)
Believe me, you're not, I may hate Gangplank, but I'm all for change, especially when it buffs the weak and nerfs the strong - "balance in all things", after all.
Plus, change keeps the game fresh, maybe GP will be the OP of tomorrow, that certainly would be interesting.
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Believe me, you're not, I may hate Gangplank, but I'm all for change, especially when it buffs the weak and nerfs the strong - "balance in all things", after all.
Plus, change keeps the game fresh, maybe GP will be the OP of tomorrow, that certainly would be interesting.
If this change somehow makes GP OP he'll be nerfed almost immediately I'd be willing to bet >: That said these are basically a precursor to a rework, as apparently this is "We've settled on doing this for the rework and it's working out really well and can be moved into his current kit easily". That will be exciting.
Until then I will continue being Supportplank.
EDIT: what the fuck kabum vs alliance what (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eIeax1OqQc)
Nobody expected much of anything and instead they beat Alliance in a match that Alliance couldn't entirely afford to lose, as now whether they even get a tiebreaker against C9 for second slot is up to whether C9 beats Shield.
But technical details aside I've been following them out of morbid curiosity and Kabum seems to have vastly improved just over these six games. I'm curious how they'll do if Brazil gets a more international presence from here on out
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ALL HAIL KABUM
SLAYER OF EU
HERO OF NA
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I'm not gonna hear the end of this for a year am I?
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I'm not gonna hear the end of this for a year am I?
To be fair nobody would have predicted this
EDIT: Oh my god this basically means Kabum were the ones to knock Alliance out of the world championships
I just
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To be fair nobody would have predicted this
*COUGHCRUMBZCOUGH*
e: dammit so close
rip na it's Samsung time
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WAIT A SECOND WHAT
DID KABUM FUCKING JSUT DSAIOUFHBISDUOGBSDUIO
DID THEY JUST KNOCK ALLIANCE OUT OF WC
I QUIT
I'M DONE
I'M SO FUCKING DONE WITH EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS
Well g fucking g
fuck kabum ;_;
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DID THEY JUST KNOCK ALLIANCE OUT OF WC
yes
you might say they went out with
*shades*
a kaboom (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMPAH67f4o)
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I hate you. ):
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brazil es numero uno
Also EU confirmed unluckiest region ever:
SK goes out due to racism
Fnatic goes out by just one auto attack
Alliance goes out to Kabum
rip EU now and forever (http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1411895331575.webm)
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All hail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whDcyk4ufYI)
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DAE NO WILDCARDERINOS?????????
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So, after playing the new soraka in pvp a bit, I think that building her high-AP, with a Zhonyas and some mana reg as her first items after the income item and the sightstone, is the right way to go. You need a good amount of AP for your heals (and your self-heal) to stay relevant, and they reduced the range of her heal by so much that if you are in range to heal someone then the person who is currently hurting your heal-target is more often than not in range to also hurt you. The alternative would be to build tanky, which drastically reduces the amount she can heal allies both due to lower AP and due to the %HP-cost attached to her W.
I would need to try if going mid and building more like a swain can work... would probably be a lot less useful in the lategame though.
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How about runes? Magey-support runes or health regen like some have been suggesting?
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So the very first Korean team beaten by TSM not only happens at Worlds Quarterfinals, it happens when they're 2 games down... against Samsung White.
That's amusing.
Though admittedly, Samsung White did get a horrible early game comp and TSM got a great early game comp, so...
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RIP Scarra. Again (http://team-dignitas.net/articles/news/League-of-Legends/5963/Scarra-to-step-down-as-Coach)
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Am I the only one who thought that Raikaria was linking a new video of Scarra failing at placing wards over a wall?
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I was hoping it had something to do with Dyrus or Mancloud pretending to shank him all NSFW-like.
This is worse :'C
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what the fuck even is riot games (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/memes/rQfcusTx-11-birds-that-are-not-azir)
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Not Azir.
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>Normal queue with friend of friend
>We stomped pretty hard come mid game and won
>The guy blows his lid over me not jumping into 1v5 to save him when he literally saw the entire enemy team coming bot for him and stood there pinging at us instead of backing off
wat do
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what the fuck even is riot games (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/memes/rQfcusTx-11-birds-that-are-not-azir)
I like how this actually gives some fairly specific (although random and sometimes not actually story-relevant) information despite just looking like a really trolly post by Riot
And though most of that information is something anybody would know anyway, it's still fun to know that:
- All the stuff between Azir and Xerath happened over a thousand years ago.
- Demacia didn't even exist back then.
- Azir needs to protect the Sun Disk.
And then other trolly things like "Azir is a really large bird", "Azir is coded to have up to 99 soldiers" and stuff :V
And of course, "Eagles stand for Freedom and TSM".
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Gogoing's Ryze, sponsored by Energizer.
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Gogoing's Ryze, sponsored by Energizer.
Be Najin
We just got shrekt by Ryze! Lets just let him have it again.
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I'm surprised by how many ADC Thresh's I'm running into. I'm getting at least one in my games every day.
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ADC Thresh's
Still better than Urgot.
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SO idk if i ever mentioned this before but a while ago i was like "hm maybe i could coach league for the monies" but then i was like "WHOA wait self, you don't have any experience coaching so maybe it wouldn't work out"
but then i realized i could get experience by just coaching someone to see how it worked out
basically what i'm saying is do any of you want to be trial coached by moe moe ryuu-kyun?
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SO idk if i ever mentioned this before but a while ago i was like "hm maybe i could coach league for the monies" but then i was like "WHOA wait self, you don't have any experience coaching so maybe it wouldn't work out"
but then i realized i could get experience by just coaching someone to see how it worked out
basically what i'm saying is do any of you want to be trial coached by moe moe ryuu-kyun?
Sure. I'm terribad, so you'll have an easy time giving advice.
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Sure. I'm terribad, so you'll have an easy time giving advice.
awesome, when do
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Just tried new Sion. Man, this guy is a dick. Winding up a Q on top of their minions while they're trying to last hit under tower feels mean.
Edit: He also seems like an incredible lane bully. There really doesn't seem to be much anyone can do to trade with him when he has his shield off cooldown.
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"League of Legends preseason 5"? More like COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME (http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/10/109-pbe-update.html)
Okay, so I know that Seasons tend to make really big changes, I know it's tentative, I know it's not even in the PBE yet.
But holy fuck. Like, everything about these changes is just "Holy fuck" levels of change.
Until I see numbers I won't say "good" or "bad", just "holy fuck".
Things to note:
-Death timers longer later, shorter earlier
-As far as I understood, champions will gain more bonuses by levelling the higher their level, to reduce snowballing in the early game
-Fountain regen reduced by 75%, but now happens 4 times as fast (actual healing unchanged)
-Towers now have less health overall (IIRC), inner turrets now have a shield that regenerates after 60 seconds of not taking damage, and gives a small shield to nearby allied champions, inhibitor turrets deal a billion times more single-target damage.
- While inside your base, you gain bonus armor, MR and movspd
- Inhibitor respawn timers is back to 300 seconds
- Blue buff and Red Buff duration reduced to 120 seconds instead of 150 seconds - red buff weaker early, stronger late, now affects tower and gives you a bonus 1% health regen every 5 seconds
- A buff now spawns in the side lanes after 20 minutes, respawning every 3 minutes, gives bonus movespd while out of combat, if you stay still for more than half a second, it increases your vision range and allows you to see over walls.
- Elixirs have been removed and 4 new elixirs have been added, you can now only have up to one elixir effect, and all of them cost 400 gold, you cannot buy elixirs before level 9. They seem to be divided into "AD with pushing power", "AP with skirmish power", "Tanky initiator" and "I WANT TO KILL PEOPLE AND MAKE THEIR LIVES MISERABLE"
- Baron no longer gives mana and health regen, now makes your recall last 4 seconds and heal you and give you a movspd buff after it ends, it also massively buffs minions close to you (basically, if you get baron buff, you will push for the win, period.)
- Dragon no longer gives global gold, instead gives a stacking buff that also makes it harder for you team to kill it the more stacks you have, also gives less XP. Buff increases your regen, AD/AP, Movement speed and health, the fifth stack triples all bonuses.
- Health and Mana Regen items now affect your base regeneration on a %, not give you bonus regen.
- Warmog now gives you triple the regen while out of combat, HP reduced to 800
- Some new items, OHMWRECKER now gives your tower 100% bonus damage
- Jungle now has two new camps that move around in both sides of the river, camps are non-hostile... seems to give the aforementioned new buff when slain.
- Hunter's machete can now only be bought by people with smite, and builds into four different items that change the properties of your smite to favor those that want to Gank/Invade/Fast Clear/Counterjungle, these items can receive enchantments to boost stats (AD, AP, tank or AS+CDR)
- Smiting big neutral camps gives you buffs ala Nunu's consume.
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I honestly thought you were kidding on the extent of the changes. I don't think I've fully processed the changes after 2 read-throughs.
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I'll repost my summary of the changes since it got buried in the new page:
-Death timers longer later, shorter earlier
-As far as I understood, champions will gain more bonuses by levelling the higher their level, to reduce snowballing in the early game
-Fountain regen reduced by 75%, but now happens 4 times as fast (actual healing unchanged)
-Towers now have less health overall (IIRC), inner turrets now have a shield that regenerates after 60 seconds of not taking damage, and gives a small shield to nearby allied champions, inhibitor turrets deal a billion times more single-target damage.
- While inside your base, you gain bonus armor, MR and movspd
- Inhibitor respawn timers is back to 300 seconds
- Blue buff and Red Buff duration reduced to 120 seconds instead of 150 seconds - red buff weaker early, stronger late, now affects tower and gives you a bonus 1% health regen every 5 seconds
- A buff now spawns in the side lanes after 20 minutes, respawning every 3 minutes, gives bonus movespd while out of combat, if you stay still for more than half a second, it increases your vision range and allows you to see over walls.
- Elixirs have been removed and 4 new elixirs have been added, you can now only have up to one elixir effect, and all of them cost 400 gold, you cannot buy elixirs before level 9. They seem to be divided into "AD with pushing power", "AP with skirmish power", "Tanky initiator" and "I WANT TO KILL PEOPLE AND MAKE THEIR LIVES MISERABLE"
- Baron no longer gives mana and health regen, now makes your recall last 4 seconds and heal you and give you a movspd buff after it ends, it also massively buffs minions close to you (basically, if you get baron buff, you will push for the win, period.)
- Dragon no longer gives global gold, instead gives a stacking buff that also makes it harder for you team to kill it the more stacks you have, also gives less XP. Buff increases your regen, AD/AP, Movement speed and health, the fifth stack triples all bonuses.
- Health and Mana Regen items now affect your base regeneration on a %, not give you bonus regen.
- Warmog now gives you triple the regen while out of combat, HP reduced to 800
- Some new items, OHMWRECKER now gives your tower 100% bonus damage
- Jungle now has two new camps that move around in both sides of the river, camps are non-hostile... seems to give the aforementioned new buff when slain.
- Hunter's machete can now only be bought by people with smite, and builds into four different items that change the properties of your smite to favor those that want to Gank/Invade/Fast Clear/Counterjungle, these items can receive enchantments to boost stats (AD, AP, tank or AS+CDR)
- Smiting big neutral camps gives you buffs ala Nunu's consume.
Again, holy fuck.
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Jungle items sound hilarious, seems cool.
Fountain regen change is a good improvement.
Ohmwrecker might be not-trash.
Nerfing early level advantages makes deciding whether or not pushing that first wave less important. Shame, I like strategies involving pushing/shoving the initial waves and lane switching for levels.
The dragon changes sound really really really dumb.
Still waters buff, big wraith buff, and big wolf buff seem to indirectly nerf wards in general.
I don't like it.
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this is probably the first time i've wholly disagreed with like almost every change
it really looks like they're trying to ham-fist in more fights and skirmishes
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fuck all that lookit dem quinn changes oh man instant valor/quinn swapping yes pls
this is just because these changes are on such a massive scale it's going to take weeks to begin to even comprehend the full weight of them. quinn changes I can wrap my head around
EDIT: Wait I found the important part: you can now smite teemo
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Some of those changes sound rather DotA-esque to me such as the longer respawntimers in late (iirc DotA takes you out for much longer than League but has the buyback as a tradeoff),
those river-buffs (which are essentially the runes but without variation),
the bigger stat-growth via levelup which is comparable to leveling up your stats once you've got your skills. (Wasn't this also part of the reason DotA allows more lategame comebacks?)
and also the %-based mana regen on items.
(Remember, I meant DotA-esque not "blergh, rito is stealing from doto smash their headquarters :V)
While I'm not against those changes (not like I could/would do anything anyway) I do look at them with some scepticism. We'll see how it pans out and if it will incite a new war between leech and doto fanatics. :V
Considering how there's a ton of interesting buffs to be gained from smiting Jungle creeps I can see certain champions on certain lanes pick up Smite just for that (and the additional contesting power for Dragon & Baron)
because with the now again increased cooldown one Smiter alone can't possibly cover everything, right?
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The question about smite for laners will be "Are any of the buffs A. next to my lane in a manner I can get regularly, and more importantly B. worth giving up a normal summoner spell for?" I don't think any of them are going to be quite as valuable as Ignite/Exhaust/Heal/Ghost/Teleport/etc.
That said, who knows
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this is probably the first time i've wholly disagreed with like almost every change
it really looks like they're trying to ham-fist in more fights and skirmishes
Well, there's that, but it also seems like objective control will be of utmost importance and no one can ever get away with just fighting and pushing anymore.
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fuck all that lookit dem quinn changes oh man instant valor/quinn swapping yes pls
this is just because these changes are on such a massive scale it's going to take weeks to begin to even comprehend the full weight of them. quinn changes I can wrap my head around
EDIT: Wait I found the important part: you can now smite teemo
Got reverted to live.
Singed flipping into goo being a snare is cool.
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Well, there's that, but it also seems like objective control will be of utmost importance and no one can ever get away with just fighting and pushing anymore.
Yep. If you let the opponent have five dragons, you're screwed. Maybe this will also push people to finally remember that dragon is a thing in lower ELOs.
And the "ramp up" mechanic of the dragon against the team that has killed it before also makes it easier for the opposing team to either steal it and much easier for them to sneak in a dragon.
Of course, these changes also mean that if you lose at baron, you lose the game, period.
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Yep. If you let the opponent have five dragons, you're screwed. Maybe this will also push people to finally remember that dragon is a thing in lower ELOs.
And the "ramp up" mechanic of the dragon against the team that has killed it before also makes it easier for the opposing team to either steal it and much easier for them to sneak in a dragon.
no it doesn't lol
the team that gets dragon is just instantly stronger than the team that didn't, making it harder for the team that didn't get it to contest the second one
after the second one it's basically all over
Of course, these changes also mean that if you lose at baron, you lose the game, period.
high elo will be mostly decided by first dragon. like to the point where if the enemy team gets first dragon, you should probably just surrender at 20. if they get the second dragon, you should afk in base and let them push
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Well, you're the expert I guess. :c
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mid/high plat+ is around the area where being a single pot down at one point in lane can result in you effectively losing lane
imagine that environment where the other people just naturally have more regen than you
and then more ad/ap
before(or currently, i guess) everyone gets gold, but gold can be awkward. sure, the dragon team gets 180+ gold but that doesn't instantly translate into power. there's still a window where the opposing team can attempt to make a comeback. if i'm saving for a BFS or a NLR, 180+ gold certainly helps me get there faster, but it doesn't necessarily mean that i have it right away(which is why a big part of the organized meta rn is timing dragons for big buys). let's say i'm mid, my team does dragon, and i get extra gold. so now i'm closer to NLR which i am rushing for some reason, but my opponent has been going a smaller part route. my opponent is still effectively stronger than me until i get an opportunity to spend that gold
but with bonus hp regen, anyone who was at dragon can much more easily bully people who are down pots. i can see the first few levels of top lane becoming insanely important, because extra hp regen up there is insane and game destroying. bully tops will probably become popular, because then you can force them b and make them spend their tp to get back to lane, then tp to dragon and get the buff. then it's a free lane win because of the bonus regen without having to divert your build to get it.
and then high elo will be basically near guaranteed gg after second dragon. when everyone is playing superbly, it's hard for the losing team to come back if the winning team is even just slightly ahead. i'm talking differences of like amp tomes and longswords for team fights. the slightest advantage can mean a whole lot in high elo land. having a perma ad/ap buff means one team will be able to farm a lot easier(this is after they most likely denied cs due to superior regen), making fighting them near impossible unless there's some massive champion disparity. then the ad/ap buff will just make it ridiculous to attempt to contest another dragon. the two buffs should have granted the other team a ton of extra exp and gold through strength and denial, so on top of the buffs they should also have more money. if it's impossible to contest dragon because of the perma buffs, then they get more perma buffs.
like yeah, mobas need to snowball for things to happen, but this just makes it ridiculous and invalidates half of the game. that is, unless, the numbers are really small, in which case there's no point in doing dragon at all until you can guarantee five of them. and then gold generation and map control might still be a better option. so basically, dragon will be either worthless and ignored unless absolutely free with no other options, or dragon will be insane and game warping. there's no real possibility for middle ground with this design. it's either worth doing always or never worth doing at all.
that's basically why i hate this change so much. it either makes the entire game about this one objective, effectively warping and ruining the game, or the objective is near worthless, removing an integral object of contention from the strategy, effectively warping and ruining the game.
there's also a lot of other issues as well, like if the enemy team has a stall comp and you can't break their base(esp with the new defense changes), why not just farm dragons for insane buffs and then grab a baron too? i can't wait for exciting lcs matches of watching one team farm at inhib turrets while the other clears jungle and lanes repeatedly while they wait for dragon to spawn three or four times. which is what will happen, 'cause in competitive play you can't afford to not take every advantage you can. if the dragon buffs are good enough to be worth it, you can bet on basically every team that's ahead farming every possible dragon buff + baron before going for nexus if they have the opportunity to.
one can argue that a lot of this snowballing happened anyway, but at least before there were opportunities to act before the gold was spent. after the change, there will be no opportunity(other than slamming what wave you have against a turret, i guess) to make any sort of action against a completed dragon.
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one can argue that a lot of this snowballing happened anyway, but at least before there were opportunities to act before the gold was spent. after the change, there will be no opportunity(other than slamming what wave you have against a turret, i guess) to make any sort of action against a completed dragon.
At pro level I can see being able to slowpush top to coincide with the respawn as a thing.
The balance all comes down to how bad the debuff fighting dragon with stacks is.
Is it going to push it from being 1 extra man on the side interrupting an attempt to being 1.5, or 2. Is the 5th dragon (of instant win if you get it) going to be full teamfight level of added risk?
Is is going to go up to baron level risk for leading team to attempt while being safe for the other. That could make it a serious comeback mechanic.
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Dragon takes 7% less damage and deals 20% bonus damage for every stack you have. It's a pretty big deal, actually.
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Dragon takes 7% less damage and deals 20% bonus damage for every stack you have. It's a pretty big deal, actually.
it barely matters as late game dragons are usually 100% safe and uncontestable
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http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/10/1013-pbe-update.html?m=1
N1ce splash updates boys. Dat Ezreal
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Wow those are crazy good splashes in my untrained opinion. I love how they each give off a different vibe; for instance Ahri's feels dark and feral while Janna's feels much softer. They're all so pretty compared to the old ones.
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I liked a some of the old ones more, not that the new ones are bad. Not a fan of Wukong's though. I miss the more cartoony art, though I'm not sure that's the proper word.
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Everyone look like they're ten years older. They also have sharper chins in general (except ez) and faces look more defined so there's less same-face-syndrome. I prefer Janna's old face though, but the new one is fine.
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How do I close out games? (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1582172801/33660343) :( I guess that's not important at my level and the game was hilariously fun but really I need to learn to shotcall better because we actually were being sieged with a huge gold lead which was both hilarious and sad.
Level 26 now and after losing 6 out of 7 I am now on a 4 game winning streak. :D I can't wait to hit 30 so I can practice my mechanics with full runes.
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How do I close out games? (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1582172801/33660343) :( I guess that's not important at my level and the game was hilariously fun but really I need to learn to shotcall better because we actually were being sieged with a huge gold lead which was both hilarious and sad.
Learning how to close games out is good at any level. Early though it might go over people's heads why you're telling them you need to group up and push but oh well. The big things to learn are just to move as a pack and always capitalize when you get a couple kills. If there's four or five of you and a fight just ate two enemy players alive, you've got a numbers advantage so herd those cats towards a tower or inhib or something.
I can't wait to hit 30 so I can practice my mechanics with full runes.
Don't wait until 30. Aside from maybe a couple initial points of AD for last hitting, mechanics don't really change just because you got runes. Most of the time any differences from runes will be smaller than the differences between champions to begin with! (Also you can already buy Tier 3 runes so you should be making use of them by now)
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Don't wait until 30. Aside from maybe a couple initial points of AD for last hitting, mechanics don't really change just because you got runes. Most of the time any differences from runes will be smaller than the differences between champions to begin with! (Also you can already buy Tier 3 runes so you should be making use of them by now)
I already have T3 runes, in fact I have several "pages" but am still buying more runes to make them better (almost finished buying flat Health seals for instance). My main issue is that I have friends telling me to focus more on PvP and leveling over, say, 1v0 cs practice. I admit that they do have a point since at the time I had a) just returned and b) little PvP experience anyways. Right now I am ok at support and ADC, bleh on mid and jungle, and don't play top (which luckily is popular). I guess they feel like the time taken to practice last-hitting would be better spent learning the flow of the game, active items, decision making, and stuff like that.
That reminds me of another question: they swear Normal MMR resets at 30; is that true or a load of bull-? I can't find any evidence to support their claim.
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I've honestly no idea if MMR resets at level 30. I doubt it, but there's probably a 'feeling' like it does because of the fact that you're now thrown into the massive conglomeration of level 30 players instead of sub-30s.
Either way, going out of your way to learn CS isn't a horrible idea but the reality is that unless you plan on going straight into Ranked and climbing to Gold before the season ends or something, the people you're going to be playing with/against are going to have maybe <5 cs/minute average for quite a while. There's a lot of other skills you'll want to be learning simultaneously, basically, as nice as a good CS score is.
also I'm curious what sets of runes you're securing. Honestly you can get away with pretty much one full set unless you want to hyper-optimize and, again, it won't be until really high player levels that this is going to make a significant difference.
(I still use penetration reds, mres/level blues, flat armor yellows, and movement quints; or some variants of this setup)
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How do I close out games? (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1582172801/33660343)
find an objective like dragon or a tower and figure out what you have to do to take it and try to coordinate your team to take that thing and then cry when it doesn't work
That reminds me of another question: they swear Normal MMR resets at 30; is that true or a load of bull-? I can't find any evidence to support their claim.
don't quote me on this but what i think happens is that they re-seed you using your current mmr as a basis. idk for sure though
Either way, going out of your way to learn CS isn't a horrible idea but the reality is that unless you plan on going straight into Ranked and climbing to Gold before the season ends or something, the people you're going to be playing with/against are going to have maybe <5 cs/minute average for quite a while. There's a lot of other skills you'll want to be learning simultaneously, basically, as nice as a good CS score is.
tbh CS is like the core skill for everything in league except jungling. even support need to know how to cs so they can prep creep for their adc. having good cs will make it easier to get control of games and learn strategies from a winning position. also learning cs is like learning any other habit--the longer you do it wrong, the harder it is to learn how to do it right. i still can't cs to save my life tbh
also I'm curious what sets of runes you're securing. Honestly you can get away with pretty much one full set unless you want to hyper-optimize and, again, it won't be until really high player levels that this is going to make a significant difference.
(I still use penetration reds, mres/level blues, flat armor yellows, and movement quints; or some variants of this setup)
yeah i got to high elo land last season with the runes that were good from season 1. like you really need a full runepage at 30, but it only needs to be "sort of" right to bring you to the point where you don't get stat stomped
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also I'm curious what sets of runes you're securing. Honestly you can get away with pretty much one full set unless you want to hyper-optimize and, again, it won't be until really high player levels that this is going to make a significant difference.
(I still use penetration reds, mres/level blues, flat armor yellows, and movement quints; or some variants of this setup)
Hmm.... runes are in the works like I said, especially since a lot of them were bought around Season 2/3. Currently I'm buying Flat Health Yellows, which is why there's a mix of yellows in a lot of pages. Next will likely be either Movement Quints (0 owned) or finishing AD Reds (6 owned). What do you guys suggest? I'm almost done with the Flat Health Yellows (6/9 with over 700ip).
Here's what I have currently for pages:
Note: All Blues are Scaling MR/lvl
1) Support: Armor Reds, Flat Health and Armor Yellows, +Gold Quints
2) Mage: Penetration Reds, Flat/Scaling Health Yellows, AP Quints
3) Marksman: Pen Reds, Armor Yellows, AD Quints
4) Warwick: AS Reds, Flat/Scaling Health Yellows, AP Quints (questioning)
5) Jungle (other): AD/AS Reds, Armor Yellows, AD Quints
I never use page 5 as I basically stick with Warwick when I'm forced to jungle. My experience in custom games says that with another jungler and without help on the first camp I can survive an initial clear of the jungle, but unless I'm ganking early I hit 4 with extremely low health.
I also have a 6th page, but it was a farming practice page. Basically it was #2 with some AD reds instead of Pen.
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Either way, going out of your way to learn CS isn't a horrible idea but the reality is that unless you plan on going straight into Ranked and climbing to Gold before the season ends or something, the people you're going to be playing with/against are going to have maybe <5 cs/minute average for quite a while. There's a lot of other skills you'll want to be learning simultaneously, basically, as nice as a good CS score is.
http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/charts/tier (http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/charts/tier)
While admittedly you cannot see the average game time, you should be able to estimate it is roughly even by the average gold earned during a game being roughly level as well for each tier except Challenger.
This suggests that while CS'ing is better as you go up tiers; the difference is not large.
In fact the lowest average Cs is in Challenger. That said; the sample size is small and games are very objective-based at that level. It may also be skewed by a large amount of jungle or support challenger players.
If you are unable to farm you will probobly be low Bronze. CS'ing is not something you get better at and then rise; it is something you have to do as a prerequisite to any success in ranked.
And as I always say; the CS/Min targets are complete balony. They ignore things such as jungler pressure; lane pressue and matchup; skirmishes and objective-based teamfights; and even what champion you are playing [If you are playing Kassadin and you are getting 10cs/min you're DOING IT WRONG; you should be ganking]. Some champions like Zed farm so easily a blind; one armed monkey could probobly get near-perfect CS. Some like Swain or Rumble on the other hand are bad at CS'ing but should be pressureing the enemy.
The only CS/Min that matters is yours compared to the enemy. And even then; if you are say; Garen with 10 CS/Min yet the enemy Ryze has 9 CS/Min; you're losing.
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While admittedly you cannot see the average game time, you should be able to estimate it is roughly even by the average gold earned during a game being roughly level as well for each tier except Challenger.
The key thing I'd be looking for is actually game time. A 50 minute game with 100 average CS per person is still really terrible CS, while a 30 minute game with 100 average CS is volumes better. A really long game where nobody farms doesn't have much more gold in it really than a short game where everyone's farmed, too, so.
Like I legit expect that CS differences get tiny around Plat onwards, but the average game length drops noticably.
Either way, honestly, my point is that you can learn to CS while dealing with everything else. Going out of your way to practice 1v0 is nice but it's not the only skill that matters. If your CS skills only exist in a void, then when you're dealing with enemy laners you're opening yourself up hugely to harass, ganks, etc. ; That's where I refer to cs/min - in a "these are the in-game results" sense not a "theoretical cap when left alone" sense.
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If you are unable to farm you will probobly be low Bronze. CS'ing is not something you get better at and then rise; it is something you have to do as a prerequisite to any success in ranked.
but i was plat last season lmao. you can get really high without learning how to cs. being in bronze/silver is due more to lack of mechanical skill on top of lack of game knowledge and quick decision making/leadership skills
And as I always say; the CS/Min targets are complete balony. They ignore things such as jungler pressure; lane pressue and matchup; skirmishes and objective-based teamfights; and even what champion you are playing [If you are playing Kassadin and you are getting 10cs/min you're DOING IT WRONG; you should be ganking]. Some champions like Zed farm so easily a blind; one armed monkey could probobly get near-perfect CS. Some like Swain or Rumble on the other hand are bad at CS'ing but should be pressureing the enemy.
cs/min isn't really intended to be an every game mark, it's a target to attempt to reach as a form of training. if you tell someone they have to hit x cs/min every game and then they increase the frequency in which they do it, they've increased their skill in cs despite the cs/min sucking
it's also to teach csing while aggressing(like on rumble) and last hitting on champions with shit base ad
The only CS/Min that matters is yours compared to the enemy. And even then; if you are say; Garen with 10 CS/Min yet the enemy Ryze has 9 CS/Min; you're losing.
if you're going to look at it like this, then it's less about cs/min and more about gold gen/min. forcing them to back away from creep and losing cs is, of course, decreasing their gold/min, but there's also things like drawing out the jungler so he can't farm, pressuring dragon/objectives to draw them away from big waves, counterjungling, etc. if i'm garen with 10 cs/min and the enemy is ryze with 9 cs/min, that's bad for me. but if my team has gotten every dragon, starved their jungler, and pushed down turrets while we haven't lost any, then the story is a lot different.
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I want to be a support main but I keep losing as support and winning (at least 50/50) as ADC instead. What do?
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Duo Q with a good ADC and carry him to victory.
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the only way i've seen to consistently carry as support is to make all the shot-calls in game, as well as play a more AP oriented support and if your ADC doesn't take the kills you are shoving down his throat, you can take them and build more AP items.
but in general, the best way to carry from support is to make every single call ever and to get your team to follow you and agree with what you decide. since supports have game-changing ults and abilities but do no damage, the only way they can carry is if they know that their team is going to back them up.
basically it's really hard to carry with them in sub-30 where no one knows how the game works and everyone thinks that they're the guy
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Just make sure your shotcalling doesn't go up and above the call, like this Leona I played with the other day, sure, she was a good Leona, don't get me wrong, but let's just say she was a bit too ballsy, to the point we almost lost a 5v4 because of her amazing engages.
Annie is a good support to try and carry though, she's basically an AP Carry that was relegated to support because lolseason4 after all, though she's a bit on the "ballsy" side since she's low-range.
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Ping a lot, pick bully supports with obvious engages so your AD/team can follow up, communicate with your jungler about the other jungler whenever possible, say simple things like "gj" after a kill. That's usually what I do on support for soloQ.
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the only way i've seen to consistently carry as support is to make all the shot-calls in game, as well as play a more AP oriented support and if your ADC doesn't take the kills you are shoving down his throat, you can take them and build more AP items.
Who are the AP supports you're referring to? The ones that come to mind are Morgana, Lux, Annie, and Zyra.* Am I forgetting someone? And do you buy any support items on them (such as Spellthief) or just go pure AP?
*EDIT: Just remembered Karma. Derp.
but in general, the best way to carry from support is to make every single call ever and to get your team to follow you and agree with what you decide. since supports have game-changing ults and abilities but do no damage, the only way they can carry is if they know that their team is going to back them up.
I feel hesitant about this, since I don't generally have the confidence in my game knowledge to order other people around. A lot of times when I do call the shots I am wrong and either watch my team murder the enemy when I was pinging retreat or the opposite.
basically it's really hard to carry with them in sub-30 where no one knows how the game works and everyone thinks that they're the guy
Funny enough I've had very little experience with "I'm the next challenger" mentality in the mid-20s. It's usually blame the laner who fed despite never helping him/her out during the game with the occasional "report X for feed/unskilled".
Just make sure your shotcalling doesn't go up and above the call, like this Leona I played with the other day, sure, she was a good Leona, don't get me wrong, but let's just say she was a bit too ballsy, to the point we almost lost a 5v4 because of her amazing engages.
Annie is a good support to try and carry though, she's basically an AP Carry that was relegated to support because lolseason4 after all, though she's a bit on the "ballsy" side since she's low-range.
If anything I play too defensively to use an all-in support like Leona to their full potential. I love playing her, but I don't know really when to engage since you're basically going for broke with her.
Ping a lot, pick bully supports with obvious engages so your AD/team can follow up, communicate with your jungler about the other jungler whenever possible, say simple things like "gj" after a kill. That's usually what I do on support for soloQ.
Who are the bully supports? I understand one's with obvious engage (Thresh, Leona, etc) but I'm lost as to who counts as a "bully" due to my inexperience and constant hiatuses. Also I usually try to say gj and such but admit I tend to forget as the game goes on. Really should work on that.
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Pick Zyra support and carry the game with boatloads of cc and frostqueen sitestone HG and sorc shoes. You'll be outdamaging your whole team everytime.
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http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1587971458/33660343?tab=overview (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1587971458/33660343?tab=overview)
I personally deserved to lose this game. I was like 4/8/x at one point (and x was really low) while missing skillshots left and right.
They seriously had control all game. Aside from our Varus pushing early on we had little map presence and lost basically every fight. They would pick us off left and right. They would dominate every teamfight. It was horrible.
Bur for some reason when someone started a surrender vote while we were down 16k gold and an inhib, the rest of us declined 1/4. That's when everything changed.
First we managed to defend our base. Then when they came back Baron-buffed they took out 2 inhibs (mid respawned) but we chased them out again. Suddenly we started feeling it and began to pick them off one by one while they tried to farm different things (my favorite was when 3 of us decided to do Dragon and found their Varus soloing it). Next thing you know we have all 3 lanes pushed to their inhib turrets. We take out bot inhib, kill them again, and then rotate to mid inhib and take it out. The game has completely shifted at this point. We decide to do Baron and kill 2 of them trying to fight us/steal it. We then pick off two more at our Nexus just before they can finish it off. With just one of them remaining (Garen defending their Nexus) we simply pushed for the win.
Craziest comeback I've ever been a part of. So many times they could've ended it but the power of the throw was just too strong I suppose. :V
In other news I tried Karma support the game before and boy was that horrible. We couldn't do anything right, 2 members "had to leave", and the rest of us decided to 20-min surrender. I really need to play this game more I guess, because I really should be on a 2-game losing streak the way I'm playing.
In other other news I still suck remembering active items in my inventory (other than wards)...
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Who are the AP supports you're referring to? The ones that come to mind are Morgana, Lux, Annie, and Zyra.* Am I forgetting someone? And do you buy any support items on them (such as Spellthief) or just go pure AP?
when i say AP support i mainly mean a: someone who can harass frequently, b: someone who can build support-y OR AP/support OR full AP and do well at any, c: someone with a play-making ability
so basically the people you mentioned except lux because she sucks without ap.
I feel hesitant about this, since I don't generally have the confidence in my game knowledge to order other people around. A lot of times when I do call the shots I am wrong and either watch my team murder the enemy when I was pinging retreat or the opposite.
the thing about shot calling is that it's a skill like any other, and like any other skill, it's inevitable that mistakes will be made while learning it. you can study a lot of general stuff about shot calling, but the only way someone can learn the nitty gritty individual shot calling is through experience
Funny enough I've had very little experience with "I'm the next challenger" mentality in the mid-20s. It's usually blame the laner who fed despite never helping him/her out during the game with the occasional "report X for feed/unskilled".
that kind of mentality you mentioned is rooted in "i'm da bess" mentality though. people never wanna blame themselves because they're so good and infallible, and it's totally not their fault that their fifth smurf has fallen into bronze, it's the stupid If anything I play too defensively to use an all-in support like Leona to their full potential. I love playing her, but I don't know really when to engage since you're basically going for broke with her.
imo all-in supports are garbage in solo queue now anyway. probably bad everywhere tbh
Who are the bully supports? I understand one's with obvious engage (Thresh, Leona, etc) but I'm lost as to who counts as a "bully" due to my inexperience and constant hiatuses. Also I usually try to say gj and such but admit I tend to forget as the game goes on. Really should work on that.
thresh and leona are more initiators and all-ins(though thresh actually has the choice of whether he wants to all in or not making him more of an asshole than a strict all-in), a bully is someone more like lulu, karma, annie, sona, etc. basically supports who primarily poke and deal damage to keep their opponents in control.
Pick Zyra support and carry the game with boatloads of cc and frostqueen sitestone HG and sorc shoes. You'll be outdamaging your whole team everytime.
zyra is p great for solo queue imo, especially in baby elo. she's more reactive than active so she can punish bad plays super hard. also you can build all support items and then sorc shoes and liandry's and do tons of damage still
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I forgot to add this last time: thank you so much guys. :D
Played a 3 games so far today as Zyra support; went 2-1. I still need to get used to being calm and using the seed combo properly during teamfights, as well as using my active items (why do I keep forgetting dammit?!!!). That being said I ended the 3rd game 2nd in gold, 2nd in deaths, and 2nd in damage to champions on my team. I love being able to wave-clear when needed on defense while warding and throwing out CC on offense. I may have a new favorite support. :3
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don't feel too bad about forgetting actives. i do that all the time too
i think almost everyone does. pretty much the only one i remember is dfg because of omg the damages
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DFG on Ahri is like my worst offender I swear. :persona: Maybe if I play another burst champ (like Veigar) I'll start remembering more.
Speaking of mages, other than Veigar who would be a good choice to start learning in case I need to go mid again? I love Ahri but I just cannot play her correctly at all. Ryze is a strong mage but I struggle with him too (which is hilarious since he's basically point->click->faceroll). I also have experience with Annie and (now) Zyra but both are apparently better off as supports now. Any other simple mages out there that I may own and forgot about?
Sorry for all the questions the last couple of days; you guys are the best for answering them all.
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DFG on Ahri is like my worst offender I swear. :persona: Maybe if I play another burst champ (like Veigar) I'll start remembering more.
veigar is pretty good for learning to use dfg because of his stun making it so easy to, and also because you can't 100-0 non-ap squishies without it most of the time
Speaking of mages, other than Veigar who would be a good choice to start learning in case I need to go mid again? I love Ahri but I just cannot play her correctly at all. Ryze is a strong mage but I struggle with him too (which is hilarious since he's basically point->click->faceroll). I also have experience with Annie and (now) Zyra but both are apparently better off as supports now. Any other simple mages out there that I may own and forgot about?
ryze is a better top imo, but in general just play whoever seems fun mid. unless you're aiming to hard carry all games and then play mostly just ranked, it's better to learn who you have fun with at mid rather than play whoever's "good" at the time because it changes so damn often
Sorry for all the questions the last couple of days; you guys are the best for answering them all.
it allows me to stroke my ego
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MORE SHUR (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/RdkEIREJ-short-stories-xerathunbound)IMA LORE (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/zmvrQ7I6-short-stories-azirarisen)
XERATH WHAT HAVE YOU DONE YOU ASSHOLE AZIR WAS GOING TO KEEP HIS PROMISE BUT YOU JUST HAD TO BE AN ASSHOLE DIDN'T YOU YOU MOTHERFUCKER
The only real problem I have with these is that none of their personalities in-game match those of the stories, but eh.
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XERATH WHAT HAVE YOU DONE YOU ASSHOLE AZIR WAS GOING TO KEEP HIS PROMISE BUT YOU JUST HAD TO BE AN ASSHOLE DIDN'T YOU YOU MOTHERFUCKER
The only real problem I have with these is that none of their personalities in-game match those of the stories, but eh.
Actually I understand why he did it, even if it doesn't really justify his action. As far as he was concerned, Azir took way too long to fulfill his promise to free him. The fact that he finally did so did not excuse all of the years Xerath had to wait and "believe" in his words. I'm assuming young Xerath was very trusting of Azir and was elated beyond comprehension about his freedom. Imagine being a slave and being promised by a noble that you would be free. Now imagine finding out the next day you were still a slave. Then a month. Then a year. Then decades. Nothing.
Xerath is not a simple asshole, he is a man driven mad by years of servitude to a man he grew to despise. He really hated Azir and everything he stood for ("false promises", vanity, betrayal) and nothing was going to change him. He long stopped caring about any freedom Azir may or may not grant him; to him the crime was already committed and all that was left was his twisted version of justice. As far as he was concerned, Azir was not worthy of Ascension and the "freedom" it promised; he would betray Azir's trust just like Azir betrayed his trust for so many years.
At least that's my interpretation.
EDIT: Now that I think about it this explains Renekton. Xerath hated his "brother" enough to kill him and destroy everything he stood for. As far as he's concerned such a bond is full of lies and betrayal. Being stuck forever with someone who loved his brother would've been maddening, so Xerath slowly but surely turned Renekton into a mirror image of himself as far as his feelings were. I wouldn't even be surprised if Xerath felt he did Renekton a favor.
EDIT 2: Interesting; according to Riot (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/AAFWPAP0-azir-and-xerath-story-discussion) Xerath went through with the betrayal at least partly because it was too late to stop it. I guess that makes sense, he does imply in his piece that this was years in the making and very complicated, not simply "say a word to kill Azir and ascend myself". It's a complicated situation. Azir, it seems, had to wait until the perfect moment to free all of the slaves, but that moment came far to late to spare him and the rest of Shurima.
Also it seems I was totally off about Renekton. That was done purely out of spite because he guarded a system that Xerath suffered under.
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I've decided to learn how to ADc better... and immediately regret my decision. I've gotten too used to playing tanky melee, so I keep getting too close for my own good.
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World championships starting a bit late, but they're starting (http://watch.na.lolesports.com/en_US)
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Imagine Dragons with live orchestra and drums?
:* :* :*
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Two sub-30 games. The 2nd one SSW turned a gold deficit at 12 mins into a 20k gold lead. This isn't a final, it's a scrimmage.
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I think nobody is surprised at this point, SSW is just too good for the competition.
"Power Rangers Vs Hot Dogs" oh god analysts.
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According to my friend, it's long since time that Riot switched from their current format to a winner/losers bracket format like fighting games and Starcraft. To him that would've likely given us a
SSB vs SSW
final (which he figures would be a lot better than this mess). Thoughts?
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Oh god royal club actually beat SSW on game 3.
it's not over yet.
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That Game 3 was good. But I don't know if SHRC has enough bans on their Game 4 purple side to shut down SSW's picks now that they are on alert.
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Samsung White, wins literally every game with the exception of two in worlds.
That's... really impressive. I'm quite happy they won, actually, they deserve it.
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Outside of game 3 SHR appeared to have no right to be on the same stage as SSW. 23 minute final game. 3 games sub-30. Wow, what a demolition.
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Oh hey, a not as cringeworthy Awards Ceremony.
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well that result was totally unexpected
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well that result was totally unexpected
yeah I'm surprised game 3 went the way it did. If you want any of the matches worth watching, 3 is.
"Power Rangers Vs Hot Dogs" oh god analysts.
absolutely (https://38.media.tumblr.com/f3ed028f8689cf019eb130685cfa5679/tumblr_ndore9i9AX1t8bt14o1_1280.jpg) beautiful (https://38.media.tumblr.com/3c573d5b204ee297ae2e416c41344bc0/tumblr_ndore9i9AX1t8bt14o2_1280.jpg)
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According to my friend, it's long since time that Riot switched from their current format to a winner/losers bracket format like fighting games and Starcraft. To him that would've likely given us a SSB vs SSW
final (which he figures would be a lot better than this mess). Thoughts?
so he's implying semis were the true finals, and OH WAIT THAT WAS A 3-0 SHUTOUT
come on guys really
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Good point, one that I really should've pointed out had it not been 3:30am. :derp: Still, this arguably should've been the 2nd-straight 3-0 finals and outside of SHRC's one win it was a snorefest that was obviously decided within the first 10 mins of each game.
Yes a lot of that was SSW being that good (only lost 2 games) and part of it was SHRC was that bad (those failed ganks and late teleports) but does that mean single-elimination should stay? I don't know; as much as I argued against his case last night I can't help but think he has a point. Just because a series went one way before doesn't mean the same result will happen in a rematch. Besides it's not like we wouldn't get a SHRC final, after all it would likely be them vs. SSB in the loser's bracket. Either way both teams would've faced SSW before and potentially have a better strategy for the finals.
Actually, he just logged in as I was writing. I'll edit in his response.
EDIT: The following is a summary of his opinion from our chat.
To him, it's mainly the subjective opinion that SSB is outright better than SHRC. A 3-0 finals sweep was prevented by a number of factors, including luck, overconfidence, and poor plays. In the end SHRC makes too many bad plays in comparison to SSB to be worthy of representing the finals over them. A match between the two, however, would settle the argument once and for all, and double-elimination would give us that match.
Besides, would anyone really say no to watching more top-level games?
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by that logic, literally no one else in the tournament deserved to be there at all:
1. ssb lost to ssw because of the latter's superior picks/bans
2. omg lost to shrc due to needlessly overaggressive initiations and dives
3. edg lost to shrc for much the same reason
4. c9 and tsm lost to ssb and ssw because of inferior teamfight prowess and objective control respectively
5. njws lost to omg because of poor picks/bans
if by top-level games you mean all koreans, then you missed ogn by a few serv-- nvm it's right there
e: ok, sorry, didn't want to start a nerdfight, but the point is ssw is just that far ahead; there's no need to belittle any of the other teams. it was much the same case with skt last year, and no one was complaining
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I'd be more open to Worlds being a double-elimination tournament if the best-of-5s didn't have the possibility to run 5+ hours each. Worlds has already run for a full month, they'd need to reduce the matches to best-of-3s to allow for double elmination to prevent it from going for 1.5-2 months if they still wanted to give the teams a week to prepare for each match. Which would run counter to the entire point of having more matches in order to really show who's best.
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it was much the same case with skt last year, and no one was complaining
I'm sure many still regard that as a lamest world final ever. Pick the Jax, push the top.
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My bad on that one, although at the time there did seem to be more "faker/piglet is a god" comments than "that was anticlimactic", then it shifted as time went on.
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Worlds is over? Exciting.
Can we put Azir back on the login screen?
I mean I like the whole tournament thing and all but I have been login queue'd to the imaginary dargons a little much
So I'm entering my seventh week of playing this game...
I've hit a minor dilemma
Namely that I look bad in the face of my high-ranked friends because I cannot stand up to the enemies that they attract at all, even if I tend to score something closer to this when I play on solo against people that are more around my level, 15.
(http://puu.sh/ciVtq/72a0aed9ab.jpg)
Sigh.
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Worlds is over? Exciting.
Can we put Azir back on the login screen?
I mean I like the whole tournament thing and all but I have been login queue'd to the imaginary dargons a little much
So I'm entering my seventh week of playing this game...
I've hit a minor dilemma
Namely that I look bad in the face of my high-ranked friends because I cannot stand up to the enemies that they attract at all, even if I tend to score something closer to this when I play on solo against people that are more around my level, 15.
(http://puu.sh/ciVtq/72a0aed9ab.jpg)
Sigh.
high ranked friends should know that the massive amounts of free stats you're missing are hurting your ability to well in their games
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B-But we do actually use smurfs to play with him ; v; (except when we don't)
Though apparently LoL's matchmaking system is actually halfway competent and match us with other smurfs, so I can't just mess around and let him carry except in coop vs AI :V
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From my experience, about 50% of all active sub-lvl30 accounts are smurfs.
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From my experience, about 50% of all active sub-lvl30 accounts are smurfs.
that's not actually true
if you smurf the system detects it p fast and puts you in a smurf only queue
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that's not actually true
if you smurf the system detects it p fast and puts you in a smurf only queue
Huh, interesting. Compared to when I first started playing this game and me smurfing now, it seemed like the amount of smurfs that I saw per game were the same in both cases. There'd be 1 or 2 smurf on my teams and about 2 or 3 smurfs on the enemy team, every time. I wasn't playing with smurf friends either, I lvled to 30 solo.
How do they detect smurfing anyways, is it by winrates?
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Huh, interesting. Compared to when I first started playing this game and me smurfing now, it seemed like the amount of smurfs that I saw per game were the same in both cases. There'd be 1 or 2 smurf on my teams and about 2 or 3 smurfs on the enemy team, every time. I wasn't playing with smurf friends either, I lvled to 30 solo.
the smurf detection system didn't exist when we were new. it's only from the past year or so
How do they detect smurfing anyways, is it by winrates?
idk exactly. i know winrates do play a factor, but i think they also monitor things like cs, objective control, etc. etc.
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I'll admit to being a little frustrated with this game. (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1593195918/35810097) Despite the fact that we were winning everywhere else, Veigar got fed enough that he could one-shot even me and carried his team to victory by continuing to get picks throughout the entire game.
My question: Given that I successfully snowballed my lane, and everyone except for Veigar on the opposing team wasn't doing too well, would it have been better for me to try to become a split push threat than group with the team as a tank?
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Veigar got fed enough that he could one-shot even me
but you were the tank I
jesus crust
also no I'd argue "the enemy team is mostly weak except for this one person" is the best time to be grouping. Then again I usually think of split pushing as the fallback strategy, for when you've got the right champ for it but don't have the power to actually be engaged in teamfights.
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I'll admit to being a little frustrated with this game. (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1593195918/35810097) Despite the fact that we were winning everywhere else, Veigar got fed enough that he could one-shot even me and carried his team to victory by continuing to get picks throughout the entire game.
My question: Given that I successfully snowballed my lane, and everyone except for Veigar on the opposing team wasn't doing too well, would it have been better for me to try to become a split push threat than group with the team as a tank?
Split push is one thing you could have done later in the game. When games start getting to 45 mins they can end in one fight; and with Veigar's Delete potential; GA should have been a very serious consideration for everyone. TF managed to get it, but Jinx didn't and she probobly REALLY needed one [Also some of your team built questionably. Ghostblade Jinx with no LW' Mobility Boots Brand who has Liandry's so probobly should be going double pen].
Early in the game however you should have grouped. Veigar can't 1v5 full stop. He can make the fight 4v4.5; and if your 4 is stronger than 4.5 of the enemy team then you still win.
Although honestly; looking at the teams and the fact the game went 45 mins; you were pretty screwed. Hecarim is one of the best scaleing junglers; especially into teamfights. Vayne is one of the best scaleing characters full stop; and Veigar scales infinitely. You really needed to close out the game quick and judgeing from the gold graphs you were not succeeding at that.
I am curious as to how on earth Veigar managed to kill Thresh; Jinx and TF in quick enough succession for a triple kill however. Did he stun them all on top of each other for a single Dark Matter or something?
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Hecarim is one of the best scaleing junglers; especially into teamfights.
it amazes me how you can be so aggressively wrong about this for like a year now
hecarim is outscaled by tons of junglers. even assassin junglers like rango and kha do more damage over time than hecka rim
I am curious as to how on earth Veigar managed to kill Thresh; Jinx and TF in quick enough succession for a triple kill however. Did he stun them all on top of each other for a single Dark Matter or something?
you know that other people can do damage to targets before veigar last hits them right? like, he doesn't have to 100-0 three people in a row for a triple kill. for all you know, all he did was auto attack them once
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it amazes me how you can be so aggressively wrong about this for like a year now
hecarim is outscaled by tons of junglers. even assassin junglers like rango and kha do more damage over time than hecka rim
you know that other people can do damage to targets before veigar last hits them right? like, he doesn't have to 100-0 three people in a row for a triple kill. for all you know, all he did was auto attack them once
But won't Hecarim be pretty tanky while doing that damage? Rango and Kha have to build pretty squish I thought.
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But won't Hecarim be pretty tanky while doing that damage? Rango and Kha have to build pretty squish I thought.
yeah but raikaria was talking about scaling aka damage output over time in the game
hecarim's is higher than it seems but it still pales in comparison to low cd assassins like kha and rango, and even to other tanky fighter junglers like udyr and vi. his damage output is basically ignorable unless he's super ahead
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If team-fighting was the right way to go, then I guess I should review how/when I'm forcing fights. Maybe buying more than 5 wards over the course of the entire game would've let me pick better times to go in. :V
I am curious as to how on earth Veigar managed to kill Thresh; Jinx and TF in quick enough succession for a triple kill however. Did he stun them all on top of each other for a single Dark Matter or something?
He already had 9 kills + Blasting Wand + DFG + Void staff + whatever he had built up with his Q by the fight I believe you're referring to. I had a Negatron Cloak and he was still hitting for over 1/3rd of my health per Q, so I doubt he had trouble popping squishies.
When I say Veigar got fed, I mean he allegedly had 1058 AP after he picked up Zhonyas at the 32 minute mark.
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Vayne: "Zyra WATCH OUT!"
Vayne dives in the way of Lucian?s Culling and pushes her support Zyra out of the way.
Zyra: "Vayne san...? Daijoubu? Vayne...stop playing get up....I didn't mean to... sniff"
Vayne barely struggles to her feet
Zyra: "Vayne-san!"
Vayne: "Stay back Zyra, we're going to win my promos, I swear it"
Vayne prepares to use her Condemn
Zyra: "Vayne...don't, if you use Condemn at this angle you won?t stun and you'll..."
Vayne continues closing in on the enemy team
Zyra: "MATTE Vayne SAN, who will I peel for if you die? Who will I Mikaels if you die? Who will I travel to lane with....if you die? sob"
Vayne: "Then lets do this together Zyra-chan!"
Zyra: "Hai! Right behind you Vayne!"
Vayne then targets Lucian for her condemn just as he runs towards her, but there are still no walls behind him.
Lucian: "Sorry Grit but... I WON'T LOSE HERE!"
Lucian aims his pistol for the final shot that will end Vayne's life and the game
Vayne: "Urg, Zyra-CHAN, DO IT NOW!"
Zyra uses her ultimate Stanglethorns but the target is not Lucian, it's Vayne, and while airborne from the knockup Vayne fires her Condemn, the angle causing it to knockback Lucian into the ground and stun him.
Zilean: "Is the ground also coded as minions?!"
Lucian: "I...C.A..N...T survive much longer, ULT ME Zilean!"
Zilean: ?I just used it ten seconds ago to save you when you BM?d and flashed into the fountain~"
Lucian: "WHAT ARE YOU EVEN SAYINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG~"
Vayne Pentakills the enemy team and wins the game
Ahri: /all "GG Noob bot all report Zil and Lucian please"
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rip dig bick club
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rip dig bick club
S A D E S T B O Y S
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okay so I just had a league-related dream that was really freaking amusing
for the entire dream i was playing as myself as a champion but apparently my initial three abilities were copy-pasted from Katarina because i arrived late to a teamfight along with a friend and was dead set on killing the enemy malphite because yes and when i killed him the enemy jarvan retreated immediately
but apparently my ultimate had a passive and an active component, its passive ability made it so that, every time i got hit by an ultimate-tier ability, i would get one shot of any ultimate ability in the game, the active allowed me to do the exact same thing immediately, there was no cooldown
so i built tenacity (which somehow got to 100% tenacity) and ate literally every ashe arrow they threw at me, proceeded to shoot ashe arrows at the enemy team then ult with whatever ability I could think of
i think that's a really balanced concept and riot should totally make it into an actual champion amirite (not)
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so there's rumors of a sona legendary skin coming up...
(http://i.imgur.com/XZXtTTT.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/XZXtTTT.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/XZXtTTT.jpg)
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My last 6 games have been horrible. I mean yes I've gone 4-2 in them but they have been really really bad. Not just my team, I'm playing like absolute shit. I'm dying way too much and can't seem to make the right play ever as support. I almost feel like I've regressed in skill compared to a week ago...
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On one hand, DJ SONA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP_Fjj09LnA)
On the other hand, I'm neutral about this being the ultimate skin if ever. Everyone and their mother just spilled their salt all over reddit, and it feels so cathartic for some reason, yet at the same time they do have some reasonable arguments as to why Sona shouldn't get the ultimate skin (that she is a support and allegedly a non-meta and boring champ, however, NOT being aforementioned reasonable arguments).
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fuck reddit, we best girl now BV
also that they have Piglet, Curse's 4th place spot next season is pretty much guaranteed :V
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fuck reddit, we best girl now BV
^This. They're just mad their champ didn't get it. People would have complained no matter who it was.
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On the other hand, I'm neutral about this being the ultimate skin if ever. Everyone and their mother just spilled their salt all over reddit, and it feels so cathartic for some reason, yet at the same time they do have some reasonable arguments as to why Sona shouldn't get the ultimate skin (that she is a support and allegedly a non-meta and boring champ, however, NOT being aforementioned reasonable arguments).
The only reasonable argument I've heard is that she's already well-supplied with skins; which doesn't necessarily mean she still shouldn't either.
Non-meta champs are always the ones to get Ultimate skins (Udyr sure wasn't; Ezreal was considered a trash ADC in NA at least until his ultimate came out and then he spent a season and a half being a top tier ADC)
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So an effective 3v3 in ARAM worked out like this...
(http://puu.sh/cncT0/e270585586.jpg)
Of course, cue me losing twice in a row right afterward. I had that 60% last-20 winrate for so briefly.
I must continue soloing
Playing with friends continues to net me shitty matchups with smurfs, high-level people, or high-level smurfs.
Even if they're smurfing! I can't explain this. My win rate if you trim out all of the games that I play with someone else is closer to 70 or 80 (Provided I'm fighting people who are actually around level 15 ~ 19)
The matchmaker is set out to make me look bad in front of my friends, this is confirmed.
So Azir's wins is still like 44%
How long before people know what they're doing and everyone cries out for nerfs
I think he is so grorious
I'd main him if not for how quadratic his shit is
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So an effective 3v3 in ARAM worked out like this...
[snip]
That Braum lol. I don't even know what he was going for.
I must continue soloing
Playing with friends continues to net me shitty matchups with smurfs, high-level people, or high-level smurfs.
Even if they're smurfing! I can't explain this. My win rate if you trim out all of the games that I play with someone else is closer to 70 or 80 (Provided I'm fighting people who are actually around level 15 ~ 19)
The matchmaker is set out to make me look bad in front of my friends, this is confirmed.
I can't tell if that's 100% tongue-in-cheek or not, so I'll respond as if it was even a little serious.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're being matched with high-level people and smurfs whenever you are in a premade with players who have level 30 main accounts, regardless of whether they are playing on that account or a smurf account. Am I right? If so, then it's no wonder your competition is so much harder. Being in a premade (even a duo) will automatically raise your hidden MMR. On top of that, even a smurf account will likely have a higher MMR naturally because the player will be more skilled than someone at his level (in other words, a veteran's level 15 smurf account will have a higher MMR than a new player's level 15 main). Combine the two and you get a recipe for really tough matches.
Depending on how you look at it, that's actually really good for you. I say that because it gives you the opportunity to learn from your mistakes against better opponents rather than not being punished for them against weaker ones, especially if those weaker opponents are not much of a challenge anymore. If you really have a 70% win rate doing solo queue, then you likely will face harder opponents anyway down the road. It's not a matter of "looking bad" to your friends or not; if they care that much you need better friends. Instead they should be helping you, especially since they are in the same game as you and can give you immediate advice.
Trust me, I'm somebody who only very recently got over the idea that people wouldn't like me if my win rate was bad and my MMR was shitty. At the time I was like 5 games under .500. Since then I've won about 70% of my games and am now 2-3 games above .500 (haven't checked in a while). All the while my friends have told me to stop caring about what other people may or may not think about me; it's just a game. They have not, nor have they ever, cared about how good or bad I am at the game. Thanks to them I have basically gotten over my PvP fear in its entirety and am starting to focus more on improvements, including downloading a recording program (Baron Replays).
I hoped that helped a little.
Of course, if you were being completely silly then this was an exercise in embarrassment. :blush:
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don't get too good though because before you know it, you're against plat+ every game and not allowed to have fun anymore because they forgot what fun is
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don't get too good though because before you know it, you're against plat+ every game and not allowed to have fun anymore because they forgot what fun is
Or play with your sub 30 friends b/c then you'll be fighting diamonds.
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So, after three games, I have learned two things about TwT hexakill.
1. It causes me silly slowdown and murders my fps.
2. Katarina is really really dumb.
Then again, those two should have been obvious, really. :V
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click and discover imageshack
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Lebonk gets her only new skin years later and its going to be leaving the shop after the harrowing. God fucking bless.
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Lebonk gets her only new skin years later and its going to be leaving the shop after the harrowing. God fucking bless.
Riot 2013 - 'We won't be releasing event excvlusive skins for champions who have not had a true post-launch skin. That's why there is no Harrowing skin for this champion'.
Community: What about Maokai
Riot: Whoops. [Proceeds to promise they'll fix that. Then does Goalkeeper Maokai.]
Of course far from the first time they've broken this. See: Striker Lucian. [Which also breaks 'no more skins for real-life events' which they said during the Olympics]
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Riot 2013 - 'We won't be releasing event excvlusive skins for champions who have not had a true post-launch skin. That's why there is no Harrowing skin for this champion'.
Community: What about Maokai
Riot: Whoops. [Proceeds to promise they'll fix that. Then does Goalkeeper Maokai.]
Of course far from the first time they've broken this. See: Striker Lucian. [Which also breaks 'no more skins for real-life events' which they said during the Olympics]
Um...Striker Lucian and Goalkeeper Maokai are still in the store; I highly doubt they're "event exclusive" any more than last year's harrowing skins are (assuming "event exclusive" means limited availability).
As for the "no more real-life events" thing, either they 1) changed their mind due to community, 2) changed their mind because they can, or 3) were talking about how those skins were always limited availability. That's just a complete guess though.
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So, after three games, I have learned two things about TwT hexakill.
1. It causes me silly slowdown and murders my fps.
2. Katarina is really really dumb.
Then again, those two should have been obvious, really. :V
ye hexakill is pretty much pick katarina the game. Having a map w/o wards, what was riot thinking.
I can't play anyways since I'm in the group of people that have a constantly jumping of 100-500 ping now.
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Really, I thought it was AoE wombo the the game. the maps consists of two lanes and small passages. Perfect for wombo.
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Katarina is stupid until people actually start taking C.C instead of all picking glass cannons. Of course against 6 glass cannons all it takes is one good C.C and Katarina gets a Hexakill. Also she's called Pentarina for a reason; so that mentality carries over to Hexakill. And yes I have seen a Katarina Hexakill.
Sona on the other hand is absurd. The only time I have seen a Sona lose is when the other team also had a Sona.
Both of these two mentioned things were when I was playing the Sona by the way. For the first 8 mins of that game our Wukong was AFK and for the last 6 our Kah'Zix was AFK. Some time between then the Katarina manged a Hexakill; and the enemy team also had a Sona.
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Katarina is stupid until people actually start taking C.C instead of all picking glass cannons.
or kat can just wait for the cc to be spent.... like in the normal game............... like every kat player does...............................
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or kat can just wait for the cc to be spent.... like in the normal game............... like every kat player does...............................
Except if she stands on the sidelines for too long there will be 6 very angry people vs 1 Katarina who just explode her.
Also if you all get low enough in a 5v6 that Katarina can clean up and you didn't save a hard C.C knowing Katarina is waiting to do that then it's your own fault.
Also there have been multiple games where I literally have the only hard C.C on the team.
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Except if she stands on the sidelines for too long there will be 6 very angry people vs 1 Katarina who just explode her.
yes because as we all know, if there's a 5v6, the 6 will kill the five without a single person dying or even getting low. this is why splitpushing is such a horrible strategy at every level of play
Also if you all get low enough in a 5v6 that Katarina can clean up and you didn't save a hard C.C knowing Katarina is waiting to do that then it's your own fault.
yes you're right, everyone is a challenger++++++++ player and can escape the enemy team's grasp in every fight and always manage to save one hard cc for katarina because there are definitely no potential extenuating circumstances that might cause someone to expend their cc on another target before katarina enters the fight
Also there have been multiple games where I literally have the only hard C.C on the team.
yes your anecdotal evidence is truly indicative of every game at every level of play in twisted hexaline
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The whole CC kat to stop her thing was more true back when the majority of her damage came out of her ult.
Now she pretty much doesn't even need to use her ult. Shunpo is too fast to even target her and the W does just as much damage as her ult could ever. Even with some form of CC you tend to die before even getting an ability off.
But all of this is besides the point since you can't even play safe against her thx to the 0 wards on the map. So she can just hide in the jungle forever waiting for picks and as soon as anyone gets low ever the chain starts the snowball happens.
Then you spend the whole game trying to deal with a 30/2/16 katarina. Its a dumb game mode and I'm waiting to see if riot will start perma banning characters like with URF.
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Man I feel like I've been playing like garbage lately.
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The whole CC kat to stop her thing was more true back when the majority of her damage came out of her ult.
um no it still applies 100%
Now she pretty much doesn't even need to use her ult.
this is like entirely, factually incorrect. there is literally no way for kat to get a reset in a fight without her ult unless their is either someone else on her team doing all the damage for her, or if the enemy team is fucking up and taking a lot of damage for no reason
Shunpo is too fast to even target her
shunpo will put her in the same spot relative to her target every single time. it also has a tell b/c she will either walk directly at a target, or q a target first for the q proc on shunpo.
and the W does just as much damage as her ult could ever.
MAGIC DAMAGE: 40 / 75 / 110 / 145 / 180 (+ 25% AP) (+ 60% bonus AD)
MAXIMUM DAMAGE TO EACH ENEMY: 400 / 575 / 750 (+ 250% AP) (+ 375% bonus AD)
????????????????????????
Even with some form of CC you tend to die before even getting an ability off.
ye because katarina can totally do damage while hard cc'd because that's how the game works
Man I feel like I've been playing like garbage lately.
i mean you offered to let me coach you and never said anything about times : (
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That Braum lol. I don't even know what he was going for.
I can't tell if that's 100% tongue-in-cheek or not, so I'll respond as if it was even a little serious.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're being matched with high-level people and smurfs whenever you are in a premade with players who have level 30 main accounts, regardless of whether they are playing on that account or a smurf account. Am I right? If so, then it's no wonder your competition is so much harder. Being in a premade (even a duo) will automatically raise your hidden MMR. On top of that, even a smurf account will likely have a higher MMR naturally because the player will be more skilled than someone at his level (in other words, a veteran's level 15 smurf account will have a higher MMR than a new player's level 15 main). Combine the two and you get a recipe for really tough matches.
Depending on how you look at it, that's actually really good for you. I say that because it gives you the opportunity to learn from your mistakes against better opponents rather than not being punished for them against weaker ones, especially if those weaker opponents are not much of a challenge anymore. If you really have a 70% win rate doing solo queue, then you likely will face harder opponents anyway down the road. It's not a matter of "looking bad" to your friends or not; if they care that much you need better friends. Instead they should be helping you, especially since they are in the same game as you and can give you immediate advice.
Trust me, I'm somebody who only very recently got over the idea that people wouldn't like me if my win rate was bad and my MMR was shitty. At the time I was like 5 games under .500. Since then I've won about 70% of my games and am now 2-3 games above .500 (haven't checked in a while). All the while my friends have told me to stop caring about what other people may or may not think about me; it's just a game. They have not, nor have they ever, cared about how good or bad I am at the game. Thanks to them I have basically gotten over my PvP fear in its entirety and am starting to focus more on improvements, including downloading a recording program (Baron Replays).
I hoped that helped a little.
Of course, if you were being completely silly then this was an exercise in embarrassment. :blush:
Hehehe, Braum was a bot.
Anyway, thank you for the thoughtful response.
I've gotten into this game via some higher-levelled friends so the most I get to learn how to play with would be higher-levelled friends and yayaya
After two months, I'm level 17 now and- though I hope this doesn't sound immodest- a considerable force to be reckoned with in games of my level. Which is rather gratifying, yes.
It just doesn't carry over that well in games with friends though.
I already know how MMR and stuff works, I've explained to them that them queuing with me is attracting 7,000 smurfs to the enemy team. Which is generally the case.
Anyway, I'm basically unsure if I should feel anything about how I'm doing? Should I be proud? I'm likening the experience to being a 4'4" individual winning in basketball against a toddler.
Not helping is that one of my bigger League fanatic friends is actually kind of a toxic ass and yells at everyone at the first inclination of imperfect play. But that's neither here nor there.
I'll go ahead and frame it like:
At least I don't believe that Ability Power is literal and augments the strength of ABILITIES(AP Garen was a thing.)
, or that the Ravenous Hydra does anything on Lissandra, or that multiple boots stack, anymore.
Yes, I do feel better about this, now.
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(AP Garen was a thing.)
What's funny is there's a platinum player who plays exclusively Garen and rushes Deathfire Grasp (Using it and then your ultimate can absolutely destroy targets below half health due to the fact that Garen's ult A. scales on missing health and then B. that is amplified by DFG's active as well).
There are some silly things out there.
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someone else on her team doing all the damage for her, or if the enemy team is fucking up and taking a lot of damage for no reason
Well that's pretty much it isn't? Shes just a big Janitor that gets to wait for peoples hp to drop to 100-300 and then shunpo W one after the other.
Which is great for her in this mode since all her money and xp comes from executing people and the shrines putting her further ahead, since the lane minions give jack all when 3 people are in a lane.
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A lot of concepts from ARAM apply, generally. Like Ancient Coin being a decent buy on a large pool of champions because you will on average get only 1/3rd of the CS in your lane anyways, and same classes of champions that become much more powerful in this mode.
Probably gonna wear off its silly fun factor after a bunch more games, but eh, that's what a temporary gamemode is for in the first place. ^^
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Well that's pretty much it isn't? Shes just a big Janitor that gets to wait for peoples hp to drop to 100-300 and then shunpo W one after the other.
that's an incredibly ineffecient and shitty way to play kat, especially if the teams are even at the time.
kats that do this don't win above silver
Which is great for her in this mode since all her money and xp comes from executing people and the shrines putting her further ahead, since the lane minions give jack all when 3 people are in a lane.
yeah but if she's just waiting to execute, then she's sitting on all the team's gold and not using it in the fight, while all the gold the other team has is being actively used in the fight. so kat is 10-0 because she only goes in to clean up fights and shunpo out, so she has around 3k gold from kills alone. except her enemy team also has 3k from kills that is actually being used in the 6v5 and they can use that to press the advantage.
kat can't just sit there and wait for someone to be close to dead. the longest she can wait is for someone to expend their cc, and even then she doesn't have that option. if kat is ahead, she HAS to do some damage in the teamfight so her team can win. if she just sits around as a mop-up, she's going to throw
also re: shrines, they lock for like, ever. you can time fights so that even if you lose, you still have 6 people up to contest the unlocking of your shrine when it comes. there is basically 0 excuse for an uncontested shrine
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that's an incredibly ineffecient and shitty way to play kat, especially if the teams are even at the time.
kats that do this don't win above silver
yeah but if she's just waiting to execute, then she's sitting on all the team's gold and not using it in the fight, while all the gold the other team has is being actively used in the fight. so kat is 10-0 because she only goes in to clean up fights and shunpo out, so she has around 3k gold from kills alone. except her enemy team also has 3k from kills that is actually being used in the 6v5 and they can use that to press the advantage.
kat can't just sit there and wait for someone to be close to dead. the longest she can wait is for someone to expend their cc, and even then she doesn't have that option. if kat is ahead, she HAS to do some damage in the teamfight so her team can win. if she just sits around as a mop-up, she's going to throw
That's how I see them play mostly in the early game by the time their 10/0 they can do w/e they want and kill however they want.
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That's how I see them play mostly in the early game by the time their 10/0 they can do w/e they want and kill however they want.
so you're basically telling me that your two game sample size about how two katarina's played in two games is 100% how every kat should play in every game ever, and because you lost to them, there is absolutely no way to play around that strategy
ok
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I just had 2 Hexakill games which started like this:
1: My brother jumps into 6 people as Zac. Zac gets murdered and popped into passive. 5 of them die. 0 of us die.
2: My brother runs into 5 people as Singed. Including Flashing. They start to run because we're all barreling down. Singed gets 3 kills just by jogging alongside the enemy team
Both times my reaction was 'WHY DID THAT WORK AND WHY DID YOU THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?!'
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I legit played Jungle Sona in 6v6
None of the enemy team were ready for suddenly losing half their HP from Q->Powerchords from the bushes.
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I forgot how many bushes TT has.
I think people are going to start really crying about that bug that makes stuff invisible from the bush now, as in REALLY crying, especially with Katarina being apparently popular in the mode.
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i mean you offered to let me coach you and never said anything about times : (
Not the most organized person sadly. Between that and college workload it sucks. I think I'll say maybe this saturday/sunday depending on what's good for you.
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Not the most organized person sadly. Between that and college workload it sucks. I think I'll say maybe this saturday/sunday depending on what's good for you.
i have a thing this saturday but i can probably do sunday
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i have a thing this saturday but i can probably do sunday
Oh good. I prefer a Sunday too. So, hows this work? Do you just spectate me or what?
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Oh good. I prefer a Sunday too. So, hows this work? Do you just spectate me or what?
i mean i could spec you and take notes/give advice, 1v1 you in a lane to show you certain techniques, play in a game with you and try to give real-time advice, etc. etc.
just let me know what you wanna do in a PM and give me your timezone and what time(s) you'd wanna do things
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i mean i could spec you and take notes/give advice, 1v1 you in a lane to show you certain techniques, play in a game with you and try to give real-time advice, etc. etc.
just let me know what you wanna do in a PM and give me your timezone and what time(s) you'd wanna do things
All of those sound good, though idk what to pick. Maybe the speccing thing first. Though I'm not sure I'll be able to do Sunday. I don't know what happened exactly, but my house lost its internet access. I'm using a mobile hotspot right now. Don't think it'll be good enough for league.
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All of those sound good, though idk what to pick. Maybe the speccing thing first. Though I'm not sure I'll be able to do Sunday. I don't know what happened exactly, but my house lost its internet access. I'm using a mobile hotspot right now. Don't think it'll be good enough for league.
well uh... rekt i guess
we'll just have to reschedule then
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oh shit it's
senna
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oh shit it's senna
wait, what?
Kalista seems pretty lackluster though, and certainly bad in a Solo Q environment.
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wait, what?
Kalista seems pretty lackluster though, and certainly bad in a Solo Q environment.
just look at the official screenshots :derp:
she's fighting thresh and bonds with lucian
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So the new SR's out on Live right? Sadly, due to a combination of schoolwork and internet issues I mentioned earlier. I'm not checking. Though, interestingly, I found out that when you have limited internet, League doesn't take all that much. I could probably do a game or two, but I never know when I might need said stuff, so I'm not doing it.
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its only in bots and team builder so you might as well try the bots and see what you think
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Oh shit it is out oh boy oh boy
its only in bots and team builder so you might as well try the bots and see what you think
but icons
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so which side is supposed to be dire
Don't care much for the new terrain, I guess I don't like the color scheme very much. New graphics for jungle camps is cool (except the former wraith camp, what the hell are those triangle-looking things). With this much green I think some people (me included) are going to have a bit of trouble with allies' AoE spell markers though, and I already could no longer tell which aura my Sona had up ;_;
Also, the alt tab bug is definitely not fixed. And for some reason I've been getting random fps drops lately (for the last 2 patches or something), and if it somehow DCs me then there's pretty much no chance of reconnecting to that game ever again despite connectivity being completely healthy. Anyone else getting similiar problems?
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Oh shit it is out oh boy oh boy
but icons
I don't think he wants to risk dcing with real people on the other team friend.
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I am convinced the new map is cursed.
1st game on it: AFK on my team
2nd game on it: 2 intentional feeders [One guy is 0/9/0 by 20 mins, the other is 1/10/0. Dying 10 times in 20 mins is QUITE THE ACHEIVEMENT]
3rd game: Another person with 10 deaths by 20 mins
Seriously.
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Decide to try out top lane gnar in Season 5, go against a tryndamere and do fairly well despite effectively losing lane, I only feed one kill to him.
Nothing special about the game other than I think the matchmaking adjustment for team builder when you're on a new role is a bit much, I'm Silver and I was matched with two high golds and two mid-plats, I was also against two diamonds and a challenger though I believe the diamonds were elo jobs (and the challenger was DEFINITELY one).
But yeah, what are you guys thinking of the changes so far? The game seemed like it was going to be completely different but not really? I'm getting away with doing the same stuff I did in season 4 so...
Also, Kalista seems a bit on the stupid side but so far I've met nothing but fed Kalistas so...
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The lanes haven't changed much is the thing. The majority of the changes impact the Jungle and the rest of the game as a result of that. Being in lane probably isn't going to be too different.
Jungling's an adventure though. It took me a few attempts at routes to find one that worked for Fiora (yes I'm a freak) - which interestingly involved starting at red despite that 'not being suggested' by Riot. Mostly because the Smite HP regeneration is a fairly nice chunk. (For the record, it's Red [smite] -> Wolves -> Fat Thing [smite] -> Blue -> Recall). Smite is up to you but holy hell the jungle-clearing smite upgrade is beautiful. And then you can slap a free Brutalizer into it which you'd want to be building anyway which is so much nicer than Lizard Crest thingy.
As for Kalista, I dunno, I haven't had problems but probably because low ELO.
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Kalista is already being permabanned on most streams. The fact that when played well she's basically immune to about 1/3 of champions is inherently dumb. That said; she was designed by CertainlyT. Do you expect her to be fair and balanced? Bear in mind he made Darius [Yeah remember the Q_Q about release Darius?], Thresh [Literally pick or ban from release to rather recently] and Yasuo.
Also Righteous thingy is REALLY GOOD. As in, I got it after Magus on jungle Diana and wrecked face with it. And I got it on Singed and wrecked with it.
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Edit:
After playing a game where I went Banner of Command 2nd on Gragas, I've decided Banner of Command is a REALLY STRONG early/mid game item on pushing AP champions. Due to the magic immunity the promoted creep has the enemy mage is hapless against it. One promote, with some team help, got us THREE TOWERS AND AN INHIB, the promoted creep tanking all the way there.
I can see a Banner rush being legitimate on champions like Ziggs. It's certainly a lot better than it used to be.
My brother then decided to get a Banner of his own on his toplane Lissandra.
Also Baron + Promote = creeps larger than Gragas.
[In before cheese 5 Banner 5 Ruin Elixir strat]
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Edit Edit: Oh god now I'm actually imagineing that happening and working. Something like *Insert AP toplaner*; Midlane Ziggs; Botlane Kayle/Nunu [Because shoving with bloodboil] and jungle Fiddlesticks and you just deathball at 12~13 mins with massive pushing power and 5 Banners.
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The lanes haven't changed much is the thing. The majority of the changes impact the Jungle and the rest of the game as a result of that.
basically this
there don't seem to be any cleavers or targon's yet this season
but the jungle changes will impact the lanes, it'll just take a little while since people have to figure out what's good and different in the jungle. like if certain champions are good in the jungle again, certain laning champions will be good again. for example, if tank junglers become strong and threatening again, then you might see more offensive fighters/mages/etc. in top lane again as the tank role can move between different slots
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Kalista is so cool. I love her.
I just need to know how to play as her. Clicking mouse buttons like six times more often than anyone else is something to get used to.
Also the idea of using Q to cleave through minions that I've previously auto'd and passing their spears into the enemy champion. At the moment, I can only really get one or two stacks of Rend off at once. :qq:
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I feel like the next week's just going to be WHICH TEAM'S KALISTA FEEDS MORE (ps last game it was ours) I'd be willing to try her if I could get MJP on Taric or Leona when he's the next room over, seems like she'd be so much better with voice communication. But even so she's pretty ridiculous why do they keep giving new champs like 3 passives or whatever nonsense.
Also hi thread I haven't posted here in a while but I never mentioned who has joined the ranks of BEST CHAMP along with my bbs Quinn and Lulu
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/84ef137ed521dee2d0245d9d8f8a94de/tumblr_neovts6eWG1rauc1yo1_1280.gif)
I love her rework, somehow solidifying Soraka as the "premiere healer" made her feel like less of a healbot than before. People don't respect the amount of hurt she can put out! Still trying to figure out a good build, I'm actually thinking AP and then like a GA might be best since I don't want health. Hrmm.
Also also who's brilliant idea was it to move the buff icons to on top of the bottom left portrait uggggggh.
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I played Renekton toplane today.
I for some reason was against Ahri top. I was beating her up by going Slice -> Fury Cull -> Dice to dodge skillshots and get out.
Elise came to gank me.
Using brushes and Slice+Dice in a smart way, I murdered Ahri, before turning around and outmanuvering Elise. She was about 1/3rd HP.
I walked into the brush, waited for my cooldowns and a position where I could get a Dice, and murdered Elise as well because she stayed to farm thinking I B'ed.
I used no summoner spells. This was at Level 3.
I guess you could say I... Renwreckton'ed them.
Also my answer to Kalista being dumb is just to build Righteous Glory on anyone I play; run and her and explode her glass butt. Did I mention I love that item? It's basically MADE for me because I play initiators and that item is like a dream for them.
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Speaking of Kalista played a Kalista-Lulu lane, we got into a skirmish and backed off because we saw Nidalee Mid coming down.
Then Kalista threw me at Nidalee [Who was trying to flank us from behind so was isolated]; I selfulted, and we wrecked her.
Wrecking a Nidalee feels good.
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Trying to get to a fed Kalista as Irelia is surprisingly hellish ;_;
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Trying to get to a fed Kalista as Irelia is surprisingly hellish ;_;
Pure melee with 1 gapcloser vs ranged with infinite gap openers.
Surprisingly hellish?
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1 gapcloser and a stun, with at least one other champ flanking for backup. My bad.
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You're supposed to use cancer croc like instead duh
Nah but "free auto kite what could go wrong"
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I love her rework, somehow solidifying Soraka as the "premiere healer" made her feel like less of a healbot than before. People don't respect the amount of hurt she can put out! Still trying to figure out a good build, I'm actually thinking AP and then like a GA might be best since I don't want health. Hrmm.
Even with all of the butthurt because of post-rework Soraka I believe she has good potential now. Her new passive is very useful when you need to locate badly hurt teammates. Being an ambulance is lots of fun.
I'm still a bit mad about the heal costing both HP and mana now, but I gotta admit the Equinox + Starcall combo can be devastating if used with the right build and in the right timing. I'm still sad that they are raising the cooldown, tho.
Btw, if you figure out a good AP build for Soraka, please share it. I'd like to try it. : )
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Well this was interesting:
- Play Mordekaiser mid with intent of getting Banner because PUSH
- Walking dowen midlane; is between T2 and T1 towers
- Suddenly stop and play death animation before coming back
- Is soulbound
- Somehow Kalista trying to bind Morgana bound me from halfway across the map
- Botlane gets wrecked; and fed botlane team up with jungler to keep 4 man ganking me because I'm wrecking Fizz. And no; Mordekaiser isn't getting away; wards or no wards; from a Flash Kalista Ulti with a Braum Ulti, and 4 people.
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So I just played the first pvp match on the new SR. Dragon is HUGE now. And no, I don't mean in size (that too) but in gameplay impact. I am fairly confident we won solely because we got 5 dragons and they got none. Interestingly, no Kalista in that match. :V
Still trying to figure out a good build, I'm actually thinking AP and then like a GA might be best since I don't want health.
If you are support, I would go income item + boots + sightstone, then go for a Zhonyas. As you know, gaining survivability by building hp lowers your healing-capacity, and you want high AP for healing, self-healing, and of course damage, which is why zhonyas would be the prime item to get there in my opinion. Getting the money for a big rod if you are behind is a pain, but yeah. After that, it would depend on the teams, of course, but in general a chalice item and some more items with good ability power seems like a good idea to me. Maybe spookyghosts, since like with lux support you are highly fragile and must never be caught out. Plus, you like goasts anyways. :P
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Kalista + Annie is dumb. EZ 8%+ Max HP procs. EZ Tibbers.
Seriously; what's Annie's biggest issue? She needs to Flash-Tibbers. What does Kalista fix? Annie needing to Flash Tibbers.
Although didn't actually use that combo much. Once I hit lv 8 lane phase was already pretty much over and I just startede roaming. Then I picked up Twin Shadows which let us get picks gloare; especially combined with a fed Rengar ulting as well to give us even more vision. We saw everything between Sentinal; Wards; Twin Shadows and Rango. Basically I was going around with fed Rango serving kills on a platter for him.
Also somehow our Rengar got fed after dying to blue buff. He got a first blood double kill.
Don't ask me how that works.
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holy shit early jungle is rough
also smiting big wraith is 2 gud
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Btw, if you figure out a good AP build for Soraka, please share it. I'd like to try it. : )
ideas
So far I've been doing frost dagger as my income item of choice since I tend to be really pokey/aggressive in lane. I do indeed love me some spooky ghosts, and it's actually an ideal item IMO because the movespeed helps me ZOOM ZOOM around and it's got a big chunk of AP. I haven't tried Zhonya's yet because yeah that rod cost is brutal, I had been picking up Crucible but I often don't feel like the active's "worth" it (unless I really need the chalice) here in scrubtier. But I think I'll try Zhonya's next.
I'm currently experimenting with swiftness boots rather than mobis, if only because I often find myself with the combat flag on when my passive kicks in which turns off mobis defeating the purpose. Now if only my teammates will learn to run to me and not away when low on health I don't think everyone really gets how New!Soraka works :ohdear:
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holy shit early jungle is rough
also smiting big wraith is 2 gud
Yup. Try starting at Red and smiting that though; I think I mentioned it earlier in the thing, but I was able to use that to actually get a jungle farming pattern down for Fiora, who isn't not exactly the best naturally adapted to the jungle. You still only go like ~4 camps before needing to recall but it's way better than 2.
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Jungle Udyr wrecked stuff. Although I didn't play greedy farm Udyr and playeds Selfless ganking Udyr. Against a Warwick.
Had total dragon control and snowballed mid/top; while bot won themselves so Warwick couldn't save it all. We got Dragon 4, stopped their Baron, took an inhib, regrouped, got Dragon 5 and ended the game there and then.
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I had been picking up Crucible but I often don't feel like the active's "worth" it (unless I really need the chalice) here in scrubtier.
Note: When I said "chalice item", I would personally usually go for the athene's, because 1. I too suck at using the active of mikael's to actual decent effect and 2. Having more than 3 item actives (aside from spooky goasts as a 4th) is often a problem for me, and the build would already have dagger/talisman, Sightstone and the zhonyas, so yeah.
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A new champion has been revealed. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/champion-reveal/reksai-the-void-burrower) They say she's supposed to be a jungler, but her lack of CC seems like it'd be worrying if they don't manage to make counter-jungling worth picking a champ that excels at it. Maybe she'll end up going Top like Shyv.
Edit: For some reason I didn't realize that her W has a knock-up when she emerges. That makes things a bit better, especially since her gap closer puts her underground.
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holy shit dat ult
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A new champion has been revealed. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/champion-reveal/reksai-the-void-burrower) They say she's supposed to be a jungler, but her lack of CC seems like it'd be worrying if they don't manage to make counter-jungling worth picking a champ that excels at it. Maybe she'll end up going Top like Shyv.
Edit: For some reason I didn't realize that her W has a knock-up when she emerges. That makes things a bit better, especially since her gap closer puts her underground.
Let's not forget she gets a movespd buff when burrowed and there's her tunnels which also apprently give her an even bigger bonus to movespd.
Plus, Shyvana is a god-like counterjungler, and that counterjungling smite is pretty damn sweet, maybe as soon as the challenging smite nerfs come through we'll see less warwicks and more everyone-else's.
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New champ stats, few things to note:
- Ultimate has a 1.5 second channel time that is interrupted by any form of damage or CC coming from champions or towers, range is indeed global.
- Her tunnels last for 10 minutes and can be destroyed by enemies, she can have up to 8 tunnels at any given time.
- Her E gains 1% bonus damage for every point of fury she has, at 100% the damage turns to true damage.
- Ult's passive is a free 20/40/60% Attack Speed.
- Burrowed Q reveals enemies for 2 seconds.
- Her range is 175 (!!!).
- She can "toggle" her burrow/unburrow thing every 4 seconds, a champion that has been hit by the unburrow cannot be knocked up again for 10 seconds, duration of the knockup is based on distance to her, capping at 1 second, knockup also deals damage.
- She has scaling Magic Resist. For some reason. Also 335 base movspd so she isn't ungodly slow.
I'll probably give her a try on the PBE as soon as I get the chance.
She also has no voice. Just a bunch of guttural noises and... Some really creepy ones. So no real personality unlike the others. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER1CPu4y_bY)
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I think this sums up the new champion quite well:
(http://content6.flixster.com/movie/11/17/36/11173660_800.jpg)
Also I want it.
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So I had 560 RP when I logged in today and decided to do a mystery skin for shits and giggles...
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So I had 560 RP when I logged in today and decided to do a mystery skin for shits and giggles...
yoooooooooooooooooooooo
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So I had 560 RP when I logged in today and decided to do a mystery skin for shits and giggles...
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[Throws rug over crappy 520RP skin that I got]
I don't even remember what it was or who it was for.
And now I don't have money to try again ; v;;;;;;
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To be fair RL-karma decided to kick my ass by making me go 0-8-0 as Braum in my only game yesterday. Worst Braum NA. :qq:
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RIP everybody's wallets (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/Myzddh1a-riot-games-merch-store-incoming)
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RIP Fnatic (http://www.fnatic.com/content/96308/farewell-peke-cyanide-thanks-for-the-memories)
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Oh yeah, So the store beta opened (https://na.merch.riotgames.com/en/?). Not a whole lot of selection but it really is just a test run for merchandise right now. (Apparently the expensive stuff is really high quality custom made stuff)
I ordered a poro plush for a friend's Christmas present
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Thresh sure gets a lot of love. New skins all the time all this store stuff. Ryze and Katrina go sit in the corner we got a new poster boy.
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rip tsm
all hail unicorns of love
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Eu just out of challenger team > NA #1/2.
Well. NA people going on about Kabum ended fast.
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So it looks like EU challenger > NA #1 > NA #2/BR #1 > EU #1
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In other words, the entirety of the West just went full EU.
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Apparently C9 > Entire of EU >> Rest of NA [UoL 2-0'ed TSM. All took a game off C9 while UoL were 3-0'ed. So All would have crushed TSM harder. TSM are often the #2 NA team, and UoL is just out of EU Challenger.]
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is this the new 2hu vs caev
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is this the new 2hu vs caev
no it's the super old one
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It's become something of a universal constant: Anything happens > Raikaria makes an "EU > NA" post.
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Congratulations Riot of concocting yet another way to take my money (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n469FmD3eE)
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Apparently supports who kill these wards are now monsters.
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I wonder if Sejuani swinging her cinnamon bun flail near those wards feeds the poros to make them grow. Because that really should happen if it doesn't.
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Oh right Sejuani got buffed(?) so she might be ~new jungle~ able now!
...not that I've even tried new jungle it seems too complicated but I figure if I'm going to learn it I ought to do so before season start.
A friend just sent me a mystery gift - my 3rd Lulu skin I'M SORRY I HAVEN'T PLAYED YOU MUCH BB I PROMISE I'LL DO BETTER :ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:
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I wonder if Sejuani swinging her cinnamon bun flail near those wards feeds the poros to make them grow. Because that really should happen if it doesn't.
Now we need headcanon where Sejuani is revealed to be a great cook and her flail is apparently her latest Poro Snax experiment. Then every time she hits a poro ward, its hitbox and vision range grow slightly, so she can't reliably be tasked to help clear a ward just as it's placed.
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Oh right Sejuani got buffed(?) so she might be ~new jungle~ able now!
...not that I've even tried new jungle it seems too complicated but I figure if I'm going to learn it I ought to do so before season start.
A friend just sent me a mystery gift - my 3rd Lulu skin I'M SORRY I HAVEN'T PLAYED YOU MUCH BB I PROMISE I'LL DO BETTER :ohdear: :ohdear: :ohdear:
She already was.
I thought she was being killed until I noticed they were changeing her health scaleing from Bonus to Total. She's probably gonna be even worse earlygame but Amumu/Hecarim levels lategame.
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Oh right Sejuani got buffed(?) so she might be ~new jungle~ able now!
she's a lot better post-changes IMO. i only tried her once so far but i did pretty okay with an E max route
...not that I've even tried new jungle it seems too complicated but I figure if I'm going to learn it I ought to do so before season start.
it's less complicated than it seems, but i felt the same way when i finally started jungling again. the basic thing is start on gromp or whatever the golems are and smite the big one as soon as it spawns, then move to the nearest buff then go to the next buff. from there it's just smiting whatever is relevant at the time and jungling like normal
She already was.
not really. i tried her several times and she was always low on health and mana until long into mid game. she could clear, but it was really difficult for her to get any ganks off without risk of her getting murdered in the process.
I thought she was being killed until I noticed they were changeing her health scaleing from Bonus to Total.
the more important thing is her CD on her E imo. at max rank, she can use it twice per w, so it's a pretty good amount of damage.
She's probably gonna be even worse earlygame
no she's actually a good bit better now, she can start double Eing people by like level 7ish and...
but Amumu/Hecarim levels lategame.
... i... i just....... i can't anymore...............
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Whenever I tried Sejuani in the new jungle before 4.21 I stomped. Sejuani is one of my main junglers.
Anyway, actually had time to try her out after the patch today so it's no longer me speculating:
Gromp->Blue->Red almost killed me, but the clear became not only strong but pretty fast after Lv 2 Flail was obtained. Lv 1 flail's damage is absolutely abysmal. I could survive the first clear significantly better before 4.21 Sejuani. I canot recall the exact timer [I think it was just before blue respawned so about 7:30?] I was 10 Cs ahead of the enemy Jax and a level up on him.
Ganking is as strong as it ever was and is for all intents and purposes the same. Her damage scales better into the lategame as well, because 12% Max HP >>>> 10% Bonus HP. Sejuani's Lv 18 HP is literally amoung the highest in the entire game; and 12% of 2215 is pretty significant on it's own. CDR was always core on Sejuani so she could perma-flail.
I underestimated the importance of Permafrost's cooldown becoming shorter in comparison to the slow duration being flat. It makes her initiate a little weaker but Sejuani's initiate is literally the most absurd in the entire game; bar none so... [Massive AoE Stun followed by massive AoE 2.5 second slow]. Permafrost being on a lower cooldown helps her apply C.C throughout the fight.
Q feels disappointing now because it dosen't deal the % damage anymore. It's basically just a knockup gapcloser, bread and butter. Not exciting but it's useful still. A miniature Unstoppable Force.
Her lategame teamfight damage output is somewhat comparable to Amumu. Sejuani has kinda AoE burst % Max HP damage; and Amumu has % max HP DoT; while Sejuani also deals 400+ AoE DoT lategame easily on top of that. But Sejuani's % enemy HP damage is centered around her target; while Amumu's is AoE around himself. [Also Tantrum is a thing which is hard to account for in terms of DPS]
Basically, both Sejuani and Amumu can deal 12% Max HP damage in a similar sized AoE every 4 seconds lategame. Sejuani's is burst; Amumu's is DoT. Which is why I say their damage is comparable.
Still; Sejuani's damage lategame is incredible for a tank. Not far off Amumu, if not better if both are pure tank [AP Bruiser builds; Amumu wins in damage terms]. I've always been of the opinion that the strongest 6 item junglers in a teamfight are Hecarim, Amumu and Sejuani. All three of them having very powerful initiation and damage potential if allowed to survive.
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Whenever I tried Sejuani in the new jungle before 4.21 I stomped. Sejuani is one of my main junglers.
yo your baby gold/silver anecdotal evidence isn't indicative of a champion being good or bad
I was 10 Cs ahead of the enemy Jax and a level up on him.
like you're in a land where people still unironically jungle jax. like you can't say "this jungler is really good" without having to deal with actual good junglers played by actual good players
Her lategame teamfight damage output is somewhat comparable to Amumu.
amumu's late game damage isn't that high........ sejuani should be absolutely destroying amumu's damage by mid-game
[Also Tantrum is a thing which is hard to account for in terms of DPS]
tantrum isn't that good for dps because the range around him is very short
Basically, both Sejuani and Amumu can deal 12% Max HP damage in a similar sized AoE every 4 seconds lategame. Sejuani's is burst; Amumu's is DoT. Which is why I say their damage is comparable.
it's not tho because sej can hit a lot more targets more consistently with her damage whereas amumu is usually sticking to and damaging a single target because the range of despair and tantrum are so tiny
Not far off Amumu, if not better if both are pure tank [AP Bruiser builds; Amumu wins in damage terms].
amumu loses pretty hard tbh because like i said above, sejuani has a much larger range and can hit more targets more consistently(and has a higher movespeed to apply frost to more targets more easily) and amumu can't due to 300 range tears.
I've always been of the opinion that the strongest 6 item junglers in a teamfight are Hecarim, Amumu and Sejuani.
this is wrong for an insane amount of reasons b/c basically every other jungler has a higher theoretical dps and realistic dps. also because those three tend to build 4 tank items and maybe one damage item and boots while other junglers get to build several damage items. i am pretty sure the only person those three outdps is nautilus
and even aside from dps, you can't really say one set of champions is "the strongest" without accounting for a ton of different situations. even looking at just teamfights, there are so many different kinds of team comps that you have to account for. for example, kha'zix is stronger than any of these three in a teamfight against a loose-spread disengage comp, because he can get one kill and reset to the next target.
Hecarim
sorry, hecarim still sucks. hecarim's overall damage output is very low. the only reason you're under the illusion that it's high is because you're in silver/gold land where people can't cs or take objectives so the overall level of gold and experience is low and no one has the items/level they "should" at certain timestamps. this causes a shift in power spikes and makes certain champions weaker or stronger than they would be under different circumstances. a good example of this is orianna, who is powerful in pro games where she tends to get near perfect farm, but is incredibly weak in casual games because her power spikes are incredibly gold dependent. another example would be anyone with innate penetration tends to be stronger the lower elo you go, as people generate less gold and have less defenses as time goes on due to the low gold amount.
also in regard to hecarim, there are junglers better at everything he does. frontline initiate/tank? sejuani, amumu, nautilus are all better in terms of initiate power and damage absorption. tanky fighter? vi has a higher single target damage output and stronger AND more consistent CC. lee sin has great mobility, decent utility and okay damage while having a stronger early game than hecarim. even eh-tier wukong has stronger single target and aoe capability compared to hecarim. high mobility champion? lee sin beats him out hands down. rek'sai does too, but she's still too new to really be considered good or bad.
there is literally no reason to seriously pick hecarim atm
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guess who just missed smite again (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfO6dlwM_7A&feature=youtu.be)
it keeps happening
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saint spiting hotshot with the azingy mode though
e: fusion 3-2 v2.0 inc
PONY MID INC LET'S GO
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It's good to see that Keane's mid Hecarim isn't just a one time thing.
And I'm oddly happy to see Lissandra be highly coveted now. She's a cool champ.
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Whenever I watch League tournaments I'm always excited when something out of line happens. Like Poppy or Hecarim mid. It's just more fun than the norm.
And I'm oddly happy to see Lissandra be highly coveted now. She's a cool champ.
I can't help but wonder if that wording was intentional. Also can't help but be amused by such things. :V
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When did they add having to pledge not leaving games as part of the Leaverbuster thing?
Would also been really swell if they didn't ding you when you never connected to the game despite trying and rebooting and relogging for 15-20 minutes (and despite playing a game with zero problems ending 5 minutes prior) :fail:
Riot pls
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When did they add having to pledge not leaving games as part of the Leaverbuster thing?
Would also been really swell if they didn't ding you when you never connected to the game despite trying and rebooting and relogging for 15-20 minutes (and despite playing a game with zero problems ending 5 minutes prior) :fail:
Riot pls
A while ago.
The popup one the first time is automatic, but you're not actually in danger of any punishment unless you repeatedly and frequently have problems.
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Those Sejuani buffs feel so god oh my god
Highest damage on team as Sejuani feels fundamentally wrong but oh so right
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Those Sejuani buffs feel so god oh my god
Highest damage on team as Sejuani feels fundamentally wrong but oh so right
Couldn't you already do that with a full damage build? Keyori was doing something like that in one of his videos.
Also, Nautilus is getting some changes on the PBE - the shield's base numbers are getting nerfed hardcore, but now it scales off of max health instead of bonus, and the scaling increases as the level goes up.
7% max health at level 1 (which is enough to actually give him +5 health on his shield at level 1, not counting HP from runes/masteries) and 17% at level 5 (which requires 1265 health to compensate for the loss in base, and though he only has 1156HP at level 9, he should have at least one health item by that point, plus runes and masteries etc.)
I dunno, seems like a really big buff, I know he isn't exactly in the best of spots but that seems like a bit much especially since he tends to build full tank anyway.
Though I'm too lazy to do the math necessary to see how much it would take for the new shield to outscale the live shield when you consider the 15% bonus HP scaling so maybe it's not that bad :V
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vlad is stupid good on poro king
just saying
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vlad is stupid
yes i agree
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Meanwhile I play Lissandra, go in, go invun for 5 seconds and my team just sits there going ._. and lets me die and then rages at me.
I'd understand if they even used my massive slow field and snare to throw poke but they LITERALLY JUST SIT THERE.
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You could try doing that when your team has king poro, then even if your team is as stupid as you say (which I somehow doubt is true for every single game) you can just use to the king and save yourself.
@Edit
If you guys care anything about player behavior here's a talk Lyte gave at GDC on that exact subject, talking about the Tribunal, Player Reform Cards and even a rather unknown experiment internally called "optimus" (http://gdcvault.com/play/1017940/The-Science-Behind-Shaping-Player).
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Rotten senpai is my username on NA.
feel free to add me
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In case no one got the memo yet, the bae is OP.
If you have Poro King up, just jump in, poke the target of your choice, and TTK out. Bonus points if you have Lich Bane.
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Why does playing Teemo never get old? I like to build Dfg to melt tanks.
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ded thred rip
Anyone wanna comment on the most recent Korean exodus to the west?
To date, we have:
- Impact (SKT K) and Rush IX (solo queue star jungler) to LMQ, now named TiP
- Horo (SKT S) to SHC, now acquired by MYM (not that recent)
- Reignover (IM) and Huni (MVP Red?) to Fnatic
- Gamsu (AW, and Samsung sub) and Core (BFM) to Dignitas (not that recent)
- Piglet (SKT K) and Fenix (formerly Miso of Jin Air) to Curse, now named Team Liquid
- Avalon (Helios' brother, of VTG) and Imagine (also affiliated with VTG) to EG, now named Winterfox
e: No idea where Ryu (KTB) went after his sub stint with Roccat at IEM. Presumably he scattered to the winds like the rest of MIL. :'C
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Korean players past their prime invade the West because it's weaker. It's been happening for years in various E-Sports. Thank goodness after LMQ [Admittedly this one wasn't the case but it was still an averaqge Chinese team coming to NA and stomping, even if for perfectly legit reasons] and TSM, Riot took preventative measures before LoL turned into Starcraft.
I mean, even in Season 4 it was blatantly apparent that Na players were not getting into the NA scene. The NA talent issue was brought up several times by players. [EG: Voyboy.]
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(http://a.pomf.se/ixwcsn.png)
You know, this LeaverBuster thing actually kind of ticked me off.
It made you type "I Agree" to this message, otherwise you wouldn't be able to exit it out.
I mean, it could have at least added a footnote like 'unless you dc'd twice in succession and you can't help it' or 'if something important like a work call pops up that's okay'.
Oh, it could also not force you to say yes.
...isn't that just a little bit counter-productive? How about giving an actual warning, rather than a threat and forcing consent?
As for the Korean players, I don't really keep track of pro players so I have nothing to add.
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You know, this LeaverBuster thing actually kind of ticked me off.
It made you type "I Agree" to this message, otherwise you wouldn't be able to exit it out.
I mean, it could have at least added a footnote like 'unless you dc'd twice in succession and you can't help it' or 'if something important like a work call pops up that's okay'.
Oh, it could also not force you to say yes.
...isn't that just a little bit counter-productive? How about giving an actual warning, rather than a threat and forcing consent?
Well, the game does tell you if you click to leave that "Your teammates need you!" and stops you from leaving for 5 seconds to actually read the message.
You get a pretty big message in the game about the LeaverBuster system if you stay AFK...
And apparently as you saw, if you DC and the Leaver Buster targets you, you get that. Lyte has already said, however, that DC or no, you're still leaving the game, which is creating a negative experience for at the very least 4 players, LeaverBuster is never supposed to punish you for ONE offense, so lyte himself said "if you are having connection problems, make sure your internet is stable before entering your next game"
Lyte also assured that LeaverBuster is also only supposed to target chronic leavers.
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Leaverbuster doesn't really care whether you've got an excuse or DC, because the fact is that it's damaging the excuse for other players.
This doesn't mean it will punish you for one game though. It will alert you when you first hit a game that triggers it - but it would take several games like that, in fairly close succession, before it actually starts applying penalties to you.
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Hi guys so apparently Dunkey talked to Jason Alexander on Skype or something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ih9QXqYi28
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Eh, in this case, it was my fault for playing on my sub-par laptop, because I left pretty fast after realizing I couldn't play on ~5 fps.
Shortly later, I tried it again in hopes that tuning down resolution as far as it would go might make it playable. In retrospect, I probably should have tested that in a custom game first.
However, I'm not lying when I say I got this warning after afking in only two games.
And the fact that it legitimately force feeds you its message is grossly unnecessary: I felt as if some pretentious SJW was just inviting me to challenge him.
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I got that warning after just one game where I never even made it in after spending 15+minutes trying to connect.
As long as it's not a habit I don't think it matters much, the warning box is probably there so people who are new to the game and don't legitimately realize leaving a match is much worse than in other online games get the idea.
In other news, apparently they're giving out mystery skins for not being a toxic jerkbutt and I gots me Blackthorn Morgana :V Anyone else get theirs yet?
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I got Veigar Greybeard :(
I want to form a Blood Moon team L: Elise, Shen, Akali, Kalista, Thresh.
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I got Steel Legion Garen.
Which is nice, I guess, but I don't even play Garen...
Also, I must admit, I have come to really like Azir. He feels a lot like Orianna with extra bullying potential. I've yet to face a champion I have a significant problem fighting while playing as Azir.
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Nothing here yet.
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Nothing yet. I'm fairly sure I haven't been a toxic dickbutt :derp:
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However, I'm not lying when I say I got this warning after afking in only two games.
Again, it gives you this message the first time you have a situation that would qualify as having gotten Leaverbuster's attention. If you had a bunch of games like that, you'd be facing a low priority queue or potential ban as punishment for it. The warning pops up to make it really clear that "Hey, that last game was unacceptable and you will face punishment if you keep doing it." Because people will act innocent until then.
Anyway, the Mystery Gifts are on a steady rollout, but a lot of people actually qualified. If you didn't face a low priority queue, chat/ranked restriction, or any sort of ban, you should get it sometime this or next week.
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I got Reverse Annie. The skin is cute I guess.
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Also, I must admit, I have come to really like Azir. He feels a lot like Orianna with extra bullying potential. I've yet to face a champion I have a significant problem fighting while playing as Azir.
He struggles against high mobility burst because his damage is reliant on zone control. He's wide open after using his movement skill. And considering Arise is such a short range. Being paper dosen't help.
Someone like Ahri; Zed or LeBlanc can completely demolish him. I'd say Fizz but you know he has to get in close so you just keep your men near you.
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Eh, in this case, it was my fault for playing on my sub-par laptop, because I left pretty fast after realizing I couldn't play on ~5 fps.
Shortly later, I tried it again in hopes that tuning down resolution as far as it would go might make it playable. In retrospect, I probably should have tested that in a custom game first.
However, I'm not lying when I say I got this warning after afking in only two games.
And the fact that it legitimately force feeds you its message is grossly unnecessary: I felt as if some pretentious SJW was just inviting me to challenge him.
maybe you shouldn't leave games bro
maybe you should have realized that your laptop wasn't working after one game instead of two
literally "my laptop doesn't run the game, better try again, oh it's broke" "OMG RIOT WHY ARE YOU HARASSING ME"
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My mystery skin for not being a toxic dickbutt was Surprise Party Fiddles, cool I guess though I didn't even remember I had fiddles :V
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Apparently I don't play nearly enough to be considered non-toxic. Which is a little sad, cause free skins are awesome.
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Apparently I don't play nearly enough to be considered non-toxic. Which is a little sad, cause free skins are awesome.
they haven't sent them all out yet. it will take a while
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He struggles against high mobility burst because his damage is reliant on zone control. He's wide open after using his movement skill. And considering Arise is such a short range. Being paper dosen't help.
Someone like Ahri; Zed or LeBlanc can completely demolish him. I'd say Fizz but you know he has to get in close so you just keep your men near you.
LeBlanc is a skill matchup, AFAIK. Azir played right will barely get a scratch from her from levels 3 through 5 owing to his drag (hint: when she goes in for the mark, prep a soldier and mirror her movements, then knock her up as she dashes), and again when laning phase really ends.
Of course, this interaction depends a lot on reaction time, so I suppose LB still has the edge here, but not as much as Ahri or Zed do.
On another note, Lulu is carrying me through Gold. So many butts to save, so little time. I think GBM's standout game with her earlier today might bring her back into mainstream play, especially in solo lanes.
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I got Valkyrie Leona.
Which kind of sucks, because I bought Leona solely for trading.
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oh boy shadow evelynn u.u
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i got divine soraka
one of the better soraka skins
but i hate soraka
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Sweeeet. I got Blade Queen Lissandra, a skin I wanted, but was too cheap to buy.
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Tango TF.
Feh.
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I can't evenj log i because I'm a UK Virgin Media user, and no-one in that situation can login because ???.
That and EUW doesn't get their skins till the 12th anyway.
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Mad Hatter Shaco
Unfortunately I already have Nutcracko and barely play Shaco but yey
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Piltover customs blitzcrank and dryad Soraka on my alt. I like running people down with police sirens but being the most obnoxious blitzcrank is cool too.
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FORECAST JANNA AAAAAAAAAAAH OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
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Crimson Akali.
Eh, I already have Nurse Akali. At least she's legacy :derp:
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FORECAST JANNA AAAAAAAAAAAH OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
Luckyyy
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Besides this thread, is there a LoL chat or something for this site?
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the "motk" room technically exists but I don't know how often it's used
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the "motk" room technically exists but I don't know how often it's used
Literally Never
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motk room
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In that case, borrowing from an anonymous source, I've decided to attempt a Shrine Maidens LoL Chat.
This is hosted on a built-in chat feature of League of Legends that next to no-one probably uses.
Uh, this is stupidly easy to make, so don't consider this a project, or something you would have to invest a lot of effort to be a part of.
Attached is a 8-step guide comprised solely of paint-shopped screenshots.
Also, some secondhand information about League chats.
1) chats are separated by servers
2) the "auto-join on startup" button makes your client open the chat once you log in. very useful
3) pretty good for playing with people not on your friend's list
4) ???
5) profit !!!
yo we already have a room and everyone knows how to do this
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oh god, im embarrassed.
please pretend that didn't happen
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oh god, im embarrassed.
please pretend that didn't happen
It's not a big deal. It's rare for people to use it. Usually the only person I see other than myself in there is Ryuu. I think Triangles might have been there, but not sure. The only people from motk I play with with any frequency are mjp and triangles(should prolly fix this, but a big reason is playing with IRL friends and gamefaqs guys.)
Btw, how do you guys feel about the game now. Maybe it's because I took a long break and there' s a lot to learn about now, but I'm not as in to league as I was before.
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Honestly I stopped playing league entirely because it's far too stressful for me, if I do well, then I can't fuck up, if I do badly, then I'm dragging the team down, and if I do okay, and in the rare times I only do "Okay" I always lose the game for some reason.
I only really have the patience to play braindead champions (So master yi and... Master Yi.) even though I love playing Gnar he requires way too much of my brainpower to play effectively. It's just every time I think of "let's play league" my mind immediately thinks "no that's way too much effort why would I do that"
I still keep up with the updates, but I just can't really be bothered to play anymore if it's not with friends, of course, out of the three friends I have that play, one of them just can't play well with us at all (he lives in canada, but we use the BR server), the other is a raging fucktard and the third is diamond V. ):
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Btw, how do you guys feel about the game now. Maybe it's because I took a long break and there' s a lot to learn about now, but I'm not as in to league as I was before.
I generally only play ARAMs these days because they're always a lot of fun and it always feels like a perpetual learning experience (and a bit of a roll of the dice). Once in a while I'll slide over to the Jungle to go carry some games in Team Builder as Fiora or something or team up with my boyfriend to Gangplank Support, but yeah.
I'm just not in a League mood at the moment because other games and things have taken priority, but when I do sit down and play it's still multiple games in a row.
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Been meaning to post in this thread for a while but as a typical forum lurker I'm super interested in what others say but rarely have anything to say myself. Well, whatever I'll introduce myself.
My summoner name is PorygonEX on the NA servers and I rank Silver V in solo queue. I never played ranked much in Season 4 (was really turned off by toxic teammates) but hope to start fresh and play more often in Season 5. My preferred role is the Jungler and that may have something to do with the fact that 90% of the time I have worse CS than my lane opponent. Idk, I guess I'm just bad at that.
Anyway, on the subject of the free mystery skins I got SKT Zyra. I guess that's ok since I really like playing Zyra but I'm not big on the pro LoL scene (yet) so I don't know much about SKT and that line of skins.
But yeah, I'd maybe like to play with some of you guys sometime. I'm comfortable playing any role.
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hiya, welcome to the dig bick club, enjoy your stay, etc.
also the motk room has like one other person in it right now but at least it's a sign that it's probably the right one
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I got Vancouver Amumu. I didn't know this skin even existed. I didn't even know I had Amumu.
Also, I managed to snag a name change to "Watermelonz", so I don't have that pesky number 9 at the end anymore.
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http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-update/champion-update-tristana
Ruined
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Damn. Whatever you do, don't feed her after midnight. And don't play Nami against her.
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I got my Mystery Skin.
Commando Xin Zhao.
Also Trist no longer autpoushes yay.
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http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-update/champion-update-tristana
Ruined
imagine really thinking this
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I'd say I'm not particularly fond of the update but I wasn't particularly fond of Tristana to begin with.
So *shrug*
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So why do we have to show midriff again? I must have missed the memo but there's more ways to tell if it's a lady character or not.
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Na0a3FjYdJM/VLV4AN-KW6I/AAAAAAAAhPg/49aOIfliTME/s1600/mundofrontnew.jpg)
oh god
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(snip)
oh god
M̕͠U͏N̴D̕̕͟O̡̕ ͢͠G̡͠I͘͏Ȩ̴̨S̨ ͞WH͜E͡RÉ͠ ͘͢H̶̀͘E̷̴̛ ҉͡ÒLEÁ̢E͟͝Ś̷ES̸̸
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Na0a3FjYdJM/VLV4AN-KW6I/AAAAAAAAhPg/49aOIfliTME/s1600/mundofrontnew.jpg)
oh god
Now this is an improvement.
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Na0a3FjYdJM/VLV4AN-KW6I/AAAAAAAAhPg/49aOIfliTME/s1600/mundofrontnew.jpg)
oh god
not gonna lie, i'd buy this as a skin even though i don't play mundo
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On one hand I admit I'm not a fan of the new base skin for Tristana. On the other hand literally every other skin is so much better now that even the free Riot Girl one is simply :*.
EDIT: Also Riot gifted me Celestine Soraka, which I'm happy with.
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I have to admit I was weirded out by Trist's visual update at first glance but looking back on it and comparing it to what she currently has I'd say it's a big improvement. Though I swear her giant ears make her look like a yellow pikmin, but that seems to be the updated look for yordles these days.
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I don't think any yordle has ears or eyes quite so large. Riot should be aimming at lulu not the pixies in Harry potter.
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Let me take a moment to squee over Tristana's new VA.
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I don't think any yordle has ears or eyes quite so large. Riot should be aimming at lulu not the pixies in Harry potter.
yeah, i agree, all female yordles should look like lulu and there should be no diversity between them
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I was thinking of Gnar when I thought of the large ears but I guess he's more the exception rather than the rule.
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I was thinking of Gnar when I thought of the large ears but I guess he's more the exception rather than the rule.
I'm pretty sure the exception has been the rule. They've been putting big ears on yordles since rumble dropped. At least I think those things on his head are ears.
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First placement match won! (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1697963389/35810097/eog) ...now I'm scared to play more, since they'll never go as well as this one.
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First placement match won! (http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1697963389/35810097/eog) ...now I'm scared to play more, since they'll never go as well as this one.
There's not really much point doing your placements now; things get soft reset on the 21st.
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Really? Dang, I guess I should pay attention to that sort of thing. At least it gave me a game to brag about. :V
Edit: Also, the new portal is annoying to play again. The fact that we had to spend a lot of time running down the Nidalee and Xin that bought it was probably what accounted for the game making it past 30 minutes.
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Pick-your-poison mode inc (http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/BNBArGmq-nemesis-draft-featured-game-mode-coming-soon-to-the-pbe)
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Pick-your-poison mode inc (http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/BNBArGmq-nemesis-draft-featured-game-mode-coming-soon-to-the-pbe)
Oh my god yes
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URGOT 100% PICK/BAN
This is my husband's dream mode.
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I for one am giving enemy teams Elise. Worthless in a teamfight and her earlygame is not worth her mid/lategame uselessness anymore one bit.
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I for one am giving enemy teams Elise. Worthless in a teamfight and her earlygame is not worth her mid/lategame uselessness anymore one bit.
there are a lot worse people you can give than elise
like xin zhao
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Yeah her winrate is just 3% lower than everyone else other than Evelynn [Who she's equal with] who people right now don't even regard as a champion for no reason at all. In fact her winrate is twice as far away from 50% as the winrate above her [Zilean; at 47%; Elise is at 44%]
I know winrates are not absolute measures but when her winrate is equal to Eve's and 3% lower than the next winrate it's pretty indicative something is wrong. [In general if your winrate is worse than Urgot it's a bad sign] Hell after being so worried about Elise being strong for so long Riot buffed her. That should show just how bad her situation is.
Xin Zhao has moderate damage; is actually pretty tanky; his ultimate disrupts heavily; he shreds armor; has a knockup and a slow.
Elise... does a little bit of percentage damage and tries to cocoon someone.
Xin Zhao can actually 1v1 people and splitpush lategame.
Elise loses most 1v1's lategame and is awful at pushing towers.
Elise is awful right now. And the buffs in 5.1 to her % damage to monsters do not help her one bit, because they don't address her issues. More gold for Elise is pretty pointless because she dosen't scale.
If I wanted a jungler who made the game 4v5 after 20 minuites; I'd rather a Shaco on my team honestly. At least he can splitpush fast.
Edit: Watching Korean LCS. Sivir is harassing the enemy team alone while they are doing Baron. Boomerangs+Richochets+Baron ends up getting a 4 for 1 trade and stopping Baron. Apparently bundleing up in Baron pit against a Sivir; AoE queen of carries; is a bad move.
Well; pre-nerf Baron.
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Yeah her winrate
oh god shut up about winrate already it means almost nothing by itself
she LITERALLY just got buffed today
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Elise is awful right now.
hahahahahaha
I'll give you that she has a little bit of trouble right now, but she is in no way awful.
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Finished up my promos for the heck of it. Got placed in Silver 2 after going 7-3. Now to go back to completely ignoring League until I drop into Bronze! :V
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Finished up my promos for the heck of it. Got placed in Silver 2 after going 7-3. Now to go back to completely ignoring League until I drop into Bronze! :V
Don't think you can drop Bronze by natural decay. The worst you can drop to is Silver V, I think.
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You actually can drop to Bronze given enough time. My promos at the beginning of last season placed me in Silver 5, and I was in Bronze 1 after I got back to playing again after about 6 months. It won't reach there this time thanks to the ladder reset happening soon, but it was kinda amusing.
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I do believe that used to be true, but I remember hearing that they changed it since the beginning of last season.
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As of 4.17, only Plat and higher can decay, but you can still drop through lost games (obviously).
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Obligatory Placement Match status post which will be updated as things happen:
Previous Position: Gold V 96 LP [Couldn't be asked to go higher; blame teambuilder; although now reds said Ranked Teambuilder is on it's way I might actually Ranked more often]
Bolded is me. 1st team is blue 2nd is purple.
#1:
LeBlanc/Sivir/Janna/Nasus/Vi vs Miss Fortune/Leona/Maokai/Rumble/Karma
Nasus got picked into Rumble; and it's a matchup with a very defined power curve. Rumble dominates until Nasus gets his Spectral Cowl; at which point the 'screw you Rumble' regen on it combined with the MR and Nasus' inherent lifesteal make him actually able to farm Q. Which starts problems. I ended up dying to Nasus twice thanks to Vi, but likewise I killed Nasus twice and a 3rd time with help. It's generally a good sign when Rumble is even in CS with Nasus; because Rumble is pretty bad as a champion at CS'ing and should be focusing on zoning Nasus as much as possible anyway. Sure enough, it was. Nasus was more focused on getting farm *at all*; or once he finished his Visage; tradeing with me, than actually getting good Q stacks.
My botlane also managed to rather easily win their lane, thanks in part due to Maokai and in part due to them snowballing from it, and Karma managed to shove LeBlanc in and not die. [Karma is good at not dying]; so they had Dragon Control. I only needed to leave top during the 3rd dragon, upon which we took a teamfight afterwards with Equalizer + Solar Ray and an off that inhibitor [Me giving my life to dive Sivir to ensure she couldn't waveclear and we got the Inhib. Rumble is bad at tower pushing; Sivir is good at tower defense. Beneficial trade]. Then we got Baron after healing and then we pushed top; caught Nasus out and won. I died again in that teamfight due to LeBlanc blowing me up to save Sivir and Janna who I was barrelling down but that was the only casualty of that fight.
Summary: 3/4/7 win; managed to delay the timebomb which is Nasus until we were strong enough to just deathball with a strong teamfight comp and 3 Dragons vs 0
#2:
Rek'Sai/Janna/Vayne/Trundle/Jayce v Fiddlesticks/Lucian/Morgana/Kayle/Malphite
I had a bad earlygame [Caught while warding and FB'ed because Morg binding; then I died in 1 for 1 trades]; but things got better, Vayne listened to me saying 'stop trying to fight until we're 6' and we ended up winning. My main contribution was letting us take towers really well as well as Vayne peel. I rushed Talisman and between that, my passive; Accel Gate and Hyper Charge + Eye of the Storm towers stood no chance. Jayce seemed to get the idea when I roamed mid after he forced the enemy Kayle back; because he was lasthitting but when he saw me he shoved in and let the tower have it. Then we started roaming together and took all the T1's and 2 T2's because Vayne was at the point she could look after herself.
Also Jayce crushed people. 7/0/5. Another reason to sheild him when taking towers. The Rek'Sai was strong too; in a teamfight if he got into a good position she got shielded for that delicious Wrath [Just like in the final teamfight where they thought piling into your team in a jungle chokepoint was smart. Shock Blast + Queen's Wrath + Howling Gale = Rek-Sai triple kill.]. I was actually gonna build a Zeke's after Crucible [Screw Morg/Fiddle] because we were full AD and we even all AA'ed a lot.
Summary: 1/4/10 win; Janna and Jayce = You have no Base. Janna and Vayne = When we're 6 you're in for pain [Seriously Vayne gets so much free Ad which is then amped by Tumble...]
#3:
Kassadin/Sejuani/Braum/Tristana/Shen vs Jax/Brand/Thresh/Vayne/Cho'Gath
I knew this one was gonna be good as soon as I got to play Sejuani.
Sadly my team were complete idiots who every time I landed a 4 man ult decide to target CFho'Gath instead of Jax; Brand or Vayne. So... yeah. Meanwhile because I was the only one trying to kill Vayne everyone just killed me and then killed the rest of the idiots. This game included gems such as a Kassadin claiming he could not follow up on ultimates... which were generally counter-initiates.
I went 1/10/10; but that was from a 1/0/3 start. Because teamfights.
Game like this is probobly gonna make me tilt so I'm done for today.
#4: Things happened which put me in a good mood so I played another game.
Jarvan/Syndra/Lucian/Leona/Malphite vs Braum/Jinx/Lee Sin/Pantheon/Le Blanc
This was a rather simple game. I picked Malphite not knowing which bruiser was top and opting for the safe Malphite. I dominated Pantheon early although he came back [Apparently his ultimate's doing that thing where the ring is there for 0.5 seconds again]. Teams were even until we started to group up [2 Dragons each; similar kills], and our teamfight comp became really apparent. That and we caught 2 people out by jumping/shoting over that midlane brush heading towards dragon. One of which was LeBlanc.
The enemy team complained about us being 'too tanky' at the end but honestly; I could wreck Jinx alone [I had Abyssal/IBG/Sunfire]; and Lee; Pantheon and LeBlanc all fall off somewhat lategame and suck at dealing with tanks. In fact at one point I was warding, found the enemy team, and Pantheon bravely stopped everyone else from reaching me. I still killed LeBlanc 1v4 simply due to the sheer AoE of my R-Auto-E-Q; especially considering Brutal Strikes AoE and Sunfire AoE as well.
6/5/14; AoE damage-bruiser Malphite is cool in a comp with J4 and Leona already picked. Syndra loved my Abyssal too.
Current Total: 3W 1L.
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Oh boy oh boy. Shaco in rotation! This is, like, a historical event!
Now they only need to do that with Poppy, then the world will explode. :V
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Oh boy oh boy. Shaco in rotation! This is, like, a historical event!
Now they only need to do that with Poppy, then the world will explode. :V
Nah it happens occasionally. He's not barred from the rotation or anything like pre-rework Eve and Twitch were; or the 'free champions' are/were. [Alistar/Tristana/Not sure if Garen counts now]
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Edit: I just did some digging, and found out the old S4 ranks of people in my Sejuani game:
My team:
Gold V [Me]
Silver 3
Gold 2 *2
Gold 4
Enemy team:
Gold 1
Gold 2*2
Plat V *2
We lost this game, but seriously. This matchmaking. I get it's placements but all my other games were nowhere near this imbalanced. Our S4 ranks were a total of SIXTEEN RANKS LOWER. [Silver 3 being 8 under Plat 5; Gold V being 5 under Plat V and Gold 4 being 3 under Gold 1]
Also after this game I've had 0 silvers in my games while I had a few before this. I'm usually being matched with Gold 3~1 and the occasional Plat 5.
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How 2 beat a fed Katarina:
Step 1: Be Janna
Step 2: Have allied Xin Zhao
Step 3: See Katarina; press R
How to be a Bloodthirster:
Step 1: Be Janna
Step 2: Have a Zeke's Herald [We had Talon Nasus Trist and Xin. I'm allowed to rush Zekes]
Step 3: Shield the fed Tristana.
Step 4: Watch as she gets a Quadrakill.
Currently 6-3.
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Edit:
(http://i.imgur.com/154zVwl.jpg)
7W; 3L. 4 Wins with Janna.
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tl;dr ban syndra against uol you goddamn noobs
all aboard the unicorn hype train
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The best part is Riot have aknowledged that they overdid it and that Syndra's stun is actually BUGGED right now. As in, sometimes it'll have a sphere pass right through someone and nothing happens.
Did PoE care? Nope. He hit them all anyway.
Also I am mystified to see 2 Elise picks. The first one she did manage to snowball the game enough early [Although she was 1/0/4; her kill participation was actually the lowest on her team because everyone else was involved in 6+ kills]; but dear god in the 2nd game it summed Elise up perfectly.
- Decent earlygame that got lanes rolling
- Was completely worthless and virtually a 4v5 lategame in H2K's game. She died the most on her team, and Wolves came back from an 8k+ deficit because Elise is USELESS past that point in the game. The fact Sion went 100% tank and built 0 damage at all despite his lead helped as well. He probobly should have picked up something. Did he really need Thornmail when he already had FH; Tabis and Sunfire and the only high damage physical on the enemy team was a Draven? Especially since at that point it was clear his comp needed more damage, and Janna/Elise sure as hell are not providing that. The Elise pick was not the sole factor H2K lost [The other being Sion's build choice. He could have got a Cleaver or something. Any damage item would have beaten Thornmail in that game.] but it was certainly a contributor.
This is my beef with Elise; especially as someone who thrives off big teamfights.
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Anyway; played a post-placement ranked game as Fiddlesticks jungle. Pulled off some awesome counterganks [Enemy jungler was Nunu however]; includeing one botlane just after I hit 6; where they tried to initiate only to be met with CAWCAWCAW from the brush.
That and I literally got Garen a kill toplane, ran midlane and Flash-feared their Talon to feed Zed right after hitting lv 4.
Got +25 LP for it. And that was with our team having the Plats. Which is a good sign. I've already heard of people skipping promos if they do well after placements. Maybe I really should shoot for Plat this season...
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I'd argue that Elise is a perfectly legitimate choice in a competitive match. She's on the riskier side thanks to how hard she falls off late game, but the Elise player should be able to trust their teammates to be able to use that advantage to actually close out the game. H2K lost because of the simple fact that they stopped doing things. They putzed around and only took objectives that were handed to them instead of having a 4/0/X unkillable Sion forcing teamfights and blitzing objectives down.
Like that time when Sion charged all the way from base straight into the opposing team in mid lane. That could've been a decent teamfight, but Sion's team didn't run the opposing team down to stay within range for the fight.
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tbh I wouldn't mind seeing Elise tuned again so she'd be equally useful early and late, but I'm not sure how a balanced compromise will impact her early clears.
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I'd argue that Elise is a perfectly legitimate choice in a competitive match. She's on the riskier side thanks to how hard she falls off late game, but the Elise player should be able to trust their teammates to be able to use that advantage to actually close out the game. H2K lost because of the simple fact that they stopped doing things. They putzed around and only took objectives that were handed to them instead of having a 4/0/X unkillable Sion forcing teamfights and blitzing objectives down.
Like that time when Sion charged all the way from base straight into the opposing team in mid lane. That could've been a decent teamfight, but Sion's team didn't run the opposing team down to stay within range for the fight.
I argue they stopped doing things because they were unable to do things because they had begun falling off. The enemy managed to turtle and then win a teamfight. It's not solely Elise, and a big amount of my dislike for Elise is because I, as a player put so much weight into the lategame, and Elise is honestly easily Bottom 5 in terms of lategame champions. In fact arguably she is the worst lategame champion. It's the same reason I don't play Shaco.
I mean, I'd be fine with Elise if she actually did anything other than be a stunbot lategame. You can literally ignore her in teamfights, especially since her stun is usually thrown out at the very start and she spends the rest of the teamfight in spider form in most cases. I dunno how you'd make her stronger lategame however. Maybe make Rappell apply a debuff [-Resists due to terror? A slow? Who knows.] to whoever she descends on; which is weak at Rank 1 [So as not to break her earlygame] but quite strong at rank 5. Or hell, make Rappel have some sort of combo with Cocoon which scales with ranks in Spider Form, that would be thematic and not break her earlygame.
Anyway, how's everyone's provisionals going?
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As a general rule, I don't do placements before august. That tends to allow some time for Riot to iron out the kinks of the season and by then placement hell is no longer placement hell since most people who are crazy to jump into ranked have already done so.
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Lost the first 6 games in a row. Then I duo queued with a friend. Won 4 in a row. Result 4-6. Silver I.
solo2hard
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2-1 so far, and that 1 loss was a super close throw. I'm fairly optimistic about this.
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Coast vs. DIG
I guess Baron>Nexus now!
:persona:
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NA parity returns! With C9 being in last place for once. This is going to be an interesting split.
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(http://puu.sh/f4wE9/156185a4bc.jpg)
Give me a friendly fire button. I want a friendly fire button.
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(http://puu.sh/f4wE9/156185a4bc.jpg)
Give me a friendly fire button. I want a friendly fire button.
Eh, I had an enemy Kataria who built 4 boots and a Deathcap today.
And that was after I fled to ARAM after an allied Caitlyn who went 0/4/0 by 6 mins, with 18 cs; then went afk; came back after I called her out, then fed more [Walking into the enemy jungle; walking into melee with a Riven...], then went afk again and spammed no votes for surrendering.
Considering the playtime of this Caitlyn and the fact she died about 12 times during that short playtime and went AFK twice; she got a report.
So did Katarina's Shoe Shop.
Also I thought Dorans items were limited to 2 in ARAM; or is that just Blades/Rings?
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Also I thought Dorans items were limited to 2 in ARAM; or is that just Blades/Rings?
there is no limit afaik
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Yeah, I still see 3 Doran's. I seem to have gotten rusty. I almost lost an ARAM as the donger. Like they took our inhib and everything. I couldn't help but ask myself "wth are you doing with your life?"
Did they gut healing recently? It feels like the best teams are AoE stomp comps now.
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Did they gut healing recently?
literally last patch, yes
100% healing to self, 50% healing to allies
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The 2 Doran's limit was for the 1v1 winter mode, which approriately took place on the Howling Abyss. That's probably where you got that from.
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literally last patch, yes
100% healing to self, 50% healing to allies
Thanks. I haven't been paying attention to patchnotes lately. Too busy with PAD and Borderlands 2. Just beat the main story of that actually. I'll probably wait a while before doing more though.
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You know with literally everyone playing Tristana [By the way she's hilariously broken right now and towers melt to her Explosive Shot. As in; I'm half expecting a hotfix to her Explosive Shot levels of dumb.]; Kalista support is actually a thing. I tried it and we completely dominated an enemy Trist/Leona lane and I was still useful later by letting Trist chunk Cho'Gath for 20% HP; and dragging her away from the enemy Rengar or Leona ultis and whatnot. [Also I went Zeke's].
In fact in lane Leona hit 6; tried to ulti trist; and I just ulted Trist [I'd told her this plan before] with Leona using Xenith expecting a free follow-up. Trist flew into them, bounced off to her max attack range as you do with Kalista R and we just butchered them. And I made sure to punish Leona every time she missed a Xenith, or autoattack anyone Trist did for Soulbound procs.
I mean, Kalista support doesn't work with everyone; in fact I firmly think it is a niche pick with characters such as Tristana and Kog'Maw who scale hard and are targeted hard in teamfights [What better way to protect the carry than to REMOVE THEM FROM THE GAME AND GIVE THEM FREE REPOSITIONING?] but have a passable enough early that they can harass and abuse your Procs. I wouldn't take it with a Vayne [Although Varus might be interesting; Spear+Arrow poke is strong and Varus is immobile so appreciates the lift from R]
That and I can see her being decent against Blitzcrank/Thresh; if your carry gets hooked just drag them out of there, and possibly even counter-initiate. Fate's Call is a rather low C/D
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So I finished my placements for this season. Ended up going 7-3 and yet somehow ended up 2 divisions lower than I was in season 4. I was placed in Bronze II when I was previously Silver V. That really wrecked my mood as I was on this big high after winning the last 5 games in a row.
I can only imagine that my season 4 mmr was already lower than it should have been at Silver V as I finished the season at 0 LP after a losing streak. That and the 3 losses occurred within the first 5 games, so they probably mattered more than the 5 wins in a row. I heard that the first placement games matter more than the last few but I honestly don't get why. I really feel like that screwed me over for my placements, but I guess it could have been worse.
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IT'S HAPPENING (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rbVnE1cNM)
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But we don';t know if it's a L or a U.
I for one think it's a waste as Ultimate. It's kinda a similar niche to Arcade. And I just don't think of all the champions an Ultimate skin would... work on... Sona is one.
Either way, I don't care too much. DJ Sona? Please. Elegance is better.
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But we don';t know if it's a L or a U.
I for one think it's a waste as Ultimate. It's kinda a similar niche to Arcade. And I just don't think of all the champions an Ultimate skin would... work on... Sona is one.
Either way, I don't care too much. DJ Sona? Please. Elegance is better.
What? I've seen people ask for DJ Sona since I started playing. If it worked for Udyr, it can work for Sona. I don't really care for Miku Sona though. That's pretty much her default. I want Daft Punk DJ Sona. Besides, I thought Sona was a fairly popular champion anyway.
I'm guessing there's different music that plays when you enter a stance, because there 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yfS-Um1dfM) more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04FFUHNYvVo) songs on the channel. I'm guessing Kinetic = speed stance, Etheral = defense stance, and Concussive = attack stance.
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Still though, aren't ultimates supposed to have the whole "evolving model" thing? Wonder how that's gonna work for this one.
And obviously, Crescendo makes her drop the bass. I would settle for nothing less.
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Still though, aren't ultimates supposed to have the whole "evolving model" thing? Wonder how that's gonna work for this one.
And obviously, Crescendo makes her drop the bass. I would settle for nothing less.
From the trailers, it appears likely that her entire coloration may shift dependant on her current song.
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From the trailers, it appears likely that her entire coloration may shift dependant on her current song.
Which is something that can probobly fit into the scheme of a Legendary. It kinda falls into particle effects.
I dunno I just think it's better as a Legendary. That and I do not think an Ultimate for Sona would sell.
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I dunno I just think it's better as a Legendary. That and I do not think an Ultimate for Sona would sell.
People said the same things about Ezreal and Udyr's ultimates. Ezreal at PFE's release was considered a trash tier ADC, and Udyr hasn't been really shining since like mid season one.
Yet they definitely sold.
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I do not think an Ultimate for Sona would sell.
Relative to the number of support mains, I imagine it will, just as it did for PFE among adcs and SGU among top/junglers.
Also, the notion that DJ Sona fills the same niche as Arcade Sona is beyond absurd. One is an homage to games and the other is an homage to DJs, "flashy and colorful" encompasses such an extremely large subset of themes that it's not even worth discussing, and equating EDM to what is clearly intended to be 8-bit chiptune is simply ignorant. Too many skins for Sona? I don't see nearly as much bitching about Annie's upcoming V-day skin, which happens to be her tenth.
If there's anything I've taken away from the events surrounding the skin's release, it's getting used to facing the fact that there are a shocking number of players who seem to think the world revolves around themselves, and that they wouldn't hesitate to throw out someone else's cookie because they didn't get one right now. yes i think i need a break from reddit
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That and I do not think an Ultimate for Sona would sell.
yes, i agree, an ultimate skin for one of the most popular and iconic champions who exists in a role without any ultimate skin currently available would not sell
there is absolutely no way an ultimate skin for sona would rake in boats full of money
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I'm torn. Sona is my go-to support, but DJ Sona would have to be truly amazing to dislodge me from using Silent Night Sona every time.
yes, i agree, an ultimate skin for one of the most popular and iconic champions who exists in a role without any ultimate skin currently available would not sell
there is absolutely no way an ultimate skin for sona would rake in boats full of money
The problem may actually be that Riot may not have enough money boats to carry all the cash.
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I know people who have PFE and SGU just for collection purposes. Hell, I have a friend who bought SGU just because of the tiger summoner icon.
And when you consider that Sona might as well be the iconic support champion, I'm pretty sure Riot will not know what to do with so much money.
Besides, people bitch about the skin but are gonna buy it anyway, because it's DJ Sona. I'm kind of amazed there wasn't nearly as much backlash with Spirit Guard Udyr though... Maybe because it wasn't leaked in advance? :derp:
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oh baby (http://imgur.com/a/jJEj5)
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DJ Sona comes with her own in-game music (http://promo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/dj-sona/). Which other players can tune into and you can swap freely.
dem visualisation effects on her auras oh god I need this
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official page is up (http://promo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/dj-sona)
best girl is best ty rito
even though i dont play league anymore
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Can I consider this Daft Punk Sona?
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Can I consider this Daft Punk Sona?
Concussive does have a full helmet, so close enough I guess.
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once again thanks JT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4B4VKDc3M0) (nsfwish)
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once again thanks JT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4B4VKDc3M0) (nsfwish)
jt what hath thou wrought
meanwhile, in the barren extremities of low-effort content land (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgKqDMqU2bs)
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Just one of those stances/music sets would have been enough for ultimate status in my book but daaaaaamn.
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Patch 5.3 notes. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-53-notes)
Champion Edits I Think Are Important Bullshit
Ahri
- Q mana cost + 10
- W damage -10 - 15n / range -100
- R range - 100
Azir
- AD + 3.3
- Q damage -10 - 10n
- W (Soldiers) range - 75
- W (Towers) - 40 - 5Lv - 0.3AP
Gnar
- Tired duration + 2s
- Mega Gnar duration - 4s
Gragas
- Q slow +10% base / +15% maximum
noooooooooooooo my birdman husbando
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New Zilean now on the PBE. (http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/02/210-pbe-update.html#zil1)
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Honestly I think the Zilean changes are gonna make him even worse than he already is. [And atm his winrate is the lowest in the game]
- 50 less range
- Q deals less base damage and scales worse
- While Doublebombing does stun someone; Q is now a skillshot; which creeps can block. So you need to hit the same target twice in quick succession [3 seconds] to get that stun; which you have nothing to follow up with. [Also the starting cooldown of Q is 12 seconds so Doublebombing early is really hard]
- Rewind no longer rewinds your R; so R's cooldown is significantly higher; despiter the base C/D being reduced.
- R lasts 5 seconds; not 7
- Time Warp scales up to 99% haste or slow for 2.5 seconds. Sounds good; until you realise that 55% for 5.5 is flat-out better [More than twice as long; yet more than half as strong]; even before you account for diminishing returns on hastes and slows due to the soft caps. Also it lost 2100 cast range; from 750 to 550.
So basically all of Zilean's skills are heavily nerfed for the ability to perform a stun if he lands a skillshot doublebomb.
Also while they are clearly pushing support Zilean if you miss your bomb [Either of them] the enemy can use that to deny your carry CS and push towards their tower by standing in the middle of their own wave.
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*DISCLAIMER: I've played like, one game of league over the past two weeks. I'm primarily a DotA player.*
I don't know about you, but from what you've described, it sounds like Zilean is getting a lot stronger as a support.
>Trading damage for skillshot stun.
Stuns are love, stuns are life. Stuns win you the game, in most cases, since they prevent counterplays and the like.
Also, if you can't land skillshots, git gud.
>Rewind no longer affecting ulti.
Well the reduced cooldown kind of balances it out but I don't know.
>Reduced duration of ultimate.
Does this actually matter? Because I don't think this matters outside of bads can't precast this thing as early.
>Go faster for a shorter time.
I dunno about you but this sounds like a buff to me. I'll take a shorter burst of faster speed over a longer burst of slower speed any day. Where the fuck are my blinks?
Also:
>Winrates.
Wisp(Io) has a 40.73% winrate this month and a 41.03% overall winrate in DotA.
As does Earth Spirit. (40.03% overall winrate)
These heroes clearly need a buff, amirite?
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>Zilean has a 5.5 second 99% slow now at max rank
this is terrifying
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>Zilean has a 2.5 second 99% slow now at max rank
Fixed.
But yeah, that and his Q stun, not to mention how quickly he could throw both at you a second time? This goes beyond mere "terror."
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Guys, let's not forget that since there's a hard cap on how low your MS can go (110) any slow beyond 70% is effectively a 70% slow.
Granted, still freaking terrifying, but not a pretty-much-snare.
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Guys, let's not forget that since there's a hard cap on how low your MS can go (110) any slow beyond 70% is effectively a 70% slow.
Granted, still freaking terrifying, but not a pretty-much-snare.
No, but you're not dodging anything at 110 movement speed. Also, to my memory slows are applied after hastes - so a 99% slow also is going to negate any hastes going out too.
Either way I'm actually all for this hell yeah
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>Reduced duration of ultimate.
Does this actually matter? Because I don't think this matters outside of bads can't precast this thing as early.
It actually matters at the very highest levels of play. Pros would often choose to immediately target switch to someone else if a non-carry got Zilean ulted to prevent the 600/850/1100 + 2*AP heal. 2 less seconds on the duration is that much less time before they can turn around and pop the guy.
For the rest of us scrubs? Doesn't matter outside of having to time it better.
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It actually matters at the very highest levels of play. Pros would often choose to immediately target switch to someone else if a non-carry got Zilean ulted to prevent the 600/850/1100 + 2*AP heal. 2 less seconds on the duration is that much less time before they can turn around and pop the guy.
I'm just basing this off my knowledge of Dazzle, a hero in DotA with the skill Shallow Grave. (HP can't be reduced below 1 for 5 seconds)
I get the feeling that the skills are similar in that it shifts focus off the hero that gets graved/chrono shifted and then they (sometimes) die horrifically at the end.
But it's like, 5 seconds is still a pretty long time for a dude to just be running around do doing damage.
Enough to win you fights at least unless you're horribly behind. Especially if the opposing team has a burst based line up.
And then it's like, there's also a bunch of incidental damage going around.
A couple of ticks of damage should be enough to kill off the guy that gets chrono shifted so they can get the full heal, if necessary.
I dunno though.
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i mean there's a few ways you can use chronoshift
there's the "throw it on dangerous sustained damage guy so they have to ignore him for 7 seconds" and there's also the "throw it on guy taking burst RIGHT BEFORE he dies and now all their shit is down and they can't fight back"
depends on the teams
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I'm just basing this off my knowledge of Dazzle, a hero in DotA with the skill Shallow Grave. (HP can't be reduced below 1 for 5 seconds)
I get the feeling that the skills are similar in that it shifts focus off the hero that gets graved/chrono shifted and then they (sometimes) die horrifically at the end.
But it's like, 5 seconds is still a pretty long time for a dude to just be running around do doing damage.
Enough to win you fights at least unless you're horribly behind. Especially if the opposing team has a burst based line up.
And then it's like, there's also a bunch of incidental damage going around.
A couple of ticks of damage should be enough to kill off the guy that gets chrono shifted so they can get the full heal, if necessary.
I dunno though.
It is the same principle, really. While you can just kill the guy with Chronoshift it's far from efficient, especially if Zilean has a lot of AP and therefore the revive isn't piddly but rather can be a couple thousand HP worth of effort (and spell casts etc) lost. If not for the fact you can still CC whoever is affected by it, it'd be absolutely absurd.
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Nemesis draft is up awwww yeah.
Zilean/Taric vs Urgot/Zac bot lane new meta I love this and I look forward to the inevitable "hell draft" of all supports oh darn :V
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Some team was dumb enough to give us this:
Nautilus/Ashe/Sion/Aniva/Nami
Meanwhile we gave them:
Evelynn/Elise [Me]/Zac/Urgot [My bro]/Aatrox
Needless to say; we won. My brother was given Nami and he has that as like; his secondary. The Aniva had Blackfrost Aniva and proceeded to go 15/0. [Meanwhile Elise was 0/11/0; even the botlane support Evelynn managed an assist. My tactic of giving away Elise is working.]
And in an all support draft; whoever has Lulu wins. If you mean all 'Tanky supports and Raka/Janna/Sona' then probobly whoever has Sona wins.
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They almost gave me Rumble just now. [I got Shyvana instead]
That would have been even more of a rout than it was.
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UoL HYYYYYPE
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round 1: 12/3/17 support sivir
I am laughing so hard
not so much about the second (how did I end up jungle karthus)
EDIT: They gave me Taric and laughed. We gave them an all melee AD comp and I laughed.
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aw snap froggenivia time
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aw snap froggenivia time
RIP
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aw snap froggenivia time
well, they tried
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OK; seriously; why do people keep giving Azir in Nemesis Draft?
8 games so far. Azir picked 3 times [Twice for my team which I played and won; once against my team and I crushed it in lane because I know how to deal with Azir] and banned once.
Also I've been given Ashe [Directly, no swapping] twice. First game was 12/3/7; 2nd game was 14/2/11. [And this was against an Azir/Nami lane; I crushed the Azir punishing him every time he used Shifting Sands. They also gave us Janna because ???]
Seriously. Stop giving me Ashe. Firstly; she's not bad; she's just unpopular because she's immobile; but she wrecks most champions in this mode who guess what; ARE ALSO IMMOBILE. Secondly; arrow. Nuff said. I hit across-map arrows frequently. The only arrow I missed in both games was on a Warwick who procced his speed boost halfway between me and impact; so moved faster than I guessed. All the others either had to Flash or dash away or got hit. And Ashe is so mechanically simple I can pour all my focus into leading targets with R.
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I'm 0/5 for wins in Nemesis draft. I thought I was supposed to be paired with people just as bad as I am :/
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I'm 0/5 for wins in Nemesis draft. I thought I was supposed to be paired with people just as bad as I am :/
If that was the case I wouldn't be paired with Diamonds.
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Well, to be most specific your Nemesis ELO/MMR is based off of your normal queue MMR. Which doesn't necessarily mean much with regards to the skill of the people you're playing with because dedicated players probably haven't spent much time in normal queue compared to ranked.
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dammit saint you almost lasted a month
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dammit saint you almost lasted a month
It's Valentines Day.
Of course Saint has to miss Smite. Don't you know?
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TSM vs CLG right now get fucking hype
jesus christ what a game
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(http://i.imgur.com/Yc7gILM.png)
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i'm sad reginald won't have pink hair
it def would have been a lot funnier than hsgg
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rip in piglets (http://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2015/02/16/lcs-news-keith-moved-to-starting-roster-for-week-5)
i wonder if a weekly skype call with his mom would help
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So next patch is gonna be the patch that removed all click spells?
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rip in piglets (http://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2015/02/16/lcs-news-keith-moved-to-starting-roster-for-week-5)
i wonder if a weekly skype call with his mom would help
"you know what'd be a great idea? let's have a team where we have one guy who can't speak our language"
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rip in piglets (http://www.teamliquidpro.com/news/2015/02/16/lcs-news-keith-moved-to-starting-roster-for-week-5)
i wonder if a weekly skype call with his mom would help
You missed a real chance to do something like RIP in Baconroni or something.
And we don't know for sure if Piglet's benching is language-related. It sounds like they aim to put him back on the roster; maybe it's something IRL which is distracting him or something.
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#KEPTKEITH
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In other news Ocelote [Old SK owner/captain/guy who kept kicking people for years until he finally realized he was the problem/before he was reformed was amougn the worst cases in Trib ever and has wished people cancer on stream in the past too; but he has reformed.] has now officially quit professional gaming.
Another of the old guard leaves. Even if he wasn't even LCS anymore.
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no tears shed for the guy who popularized calling people cancer
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no tears shed for the guy who popularized calling people cancer
He popularized it?
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He popularized it?
it wasn't really common for someone to use the word cancer in the context of insulting another person until after that video of him doing it came out. then the usage kind of exploded from there
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Games like my last one make me rather happy I'm one of the 10 Aatrox players in existence. Nobody seems to know how to play against him.
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The number of times I have seen people give Shaco to people in Nemesis Draft and then proceed to show they blatantly have no idea how to play against Shaco amazes me. Like; the first time I'll die to Shaco is when he towerdives me. When he's 10-0. I know how to play vs Shaco and I STILL don't give the enemy it because my team will probobly feed him anyway.
Also the number of times my team feeds immensely while I'm trying to carry but can't carry effectively 4v1.
Also can someone explain how a Gangplank loses 1v1 to a Nunu at 33 mins?
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I didn't see a good Aatrox player for some time now. I tried to play with him, and it was an awful experience, for sure (my teammates blammed me a lot lol).
Didn't try to play Nemesis yet. I wonder if it's fun...
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People should really stop giving me Zyra, they really underestimate her. Each game I've had her in I've built AP and Magic Pen and did very well. Then again, I probably wasn't playing against people at their best. Still, I feel like Zyra's a very unloved and underrated champ.
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Riot pls (http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/02/217-pbe-update.html)
Jarvan is the person I play :(
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thank god
i've been saying that jarvan change has needed to happen since s3
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Mandrake Ward
50G
Click to Consume: Places an invisible blind sentry in a brush for 5 minutes. The plant will ping the map if a visible or invisible enemy enemy is within 900 range.
Oh boy, here we go.
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I do have to wonder if the Mandrake Ward is going to reveal the surrounding area or if it's more like a Rek'sai sonar ward. From the fact that it's only going to be 50g, I'm leaning towards expecting it to be the latter.
And I just got reminded how annoying a champion Riven is. She simply doesn't allow the opponent to do anything after she hits a certain amount of CDR/levels.
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Mandrake Ward
50G
Click to Consume: Places an invisible blind sentry in a brush for 5 minutes. The plant will ping the map if a visible or invisible enemy enemy is within 900 range.
RIP all stealth champs
I do have to wonder if the Mandrake Ward is going to reveal the surrounding area or if it's more like a Rek'sai sonar ward. From the fact that it's only going to be 50g, I'm leaning towards expecting it to be the latter.
Yeah, judging by the blind factor, I think that's what they're aiming for.
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And I just got reminded how annoying a champion Riven is. She simply doesn't allow the opponent to do anything after she hits a certain amount of CDR/levels.
yeah except unless she's a high diamond level player she loses literally every lane matchup in the game
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yeah except unless she's a high diamond level player she loses literally every lane matchup in the game
tbh it's kind of weird in her case
if she's skilled enough she can deal with bad lane matchups
but if she's not skilled enough that probably means she's on the lower divisions where NOBODY is skilled so like no-one knows how to win the matchup so she still gets away with it
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but if she's not skilled enough that probably means she's on the lower divisions where NOBODY is skilled so like no-one knows how to win the matchup so she still gets away with it
Yeah, this is the core reason I get away with anything with Riven. And plus, if any Riven loses lane to Nasus, they should consider not playing Riven.
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yeah except unless she's a high diamond level player she loses literally every lane matchup in the game
Really, I thought it was the other way around. Until diamond you just QQQ your way to victory. If I see Riven I usually go Jayce or Kennen.
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is that a Katarina nerf? I'm very glad.
Also from the sounds of the way the Mandrake ward works, it doesn't actually reveal anything ever. Just pings if any enemy champ is ever within its range of effect. (This arguably makes it better than actual wards in low level play where nobody looks at the map anyway what)
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tbh it's kind of weird in her case
if she's skilled enough she can deal with bad lane matchups
but if she's not skilled enough that probably means she's on the lower divisions where NOBODY is skilled so like no-one knows how to win the matchup so she still gets away with it
this is kind of true but rivens who perform at lower elos are still pretty rare and tend to just be lucky games
though i discovered her solo queue popularity is around 20%? whaaaaaat. she gets rekt in 5s tho
also after thinking some:
RIP all stealth champs
this will probably actually resurrect stealth champs because having a way to actually detect when they're ganking you allows riot to give them more strength
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My problem with Riven is more over how stifling she is when she actually does get a lead. Riot nerfed her into oblivion for a reason: her kit is so overloaded that there isn't much you can do against her on a 1v1 basis once she gets rolling.
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She goes like Q AA Q AA Q AA with a stun and a dash that gives a huge barrier, and I must not forget her ultimate, which can strike down enemies with low HP and increases her damage for an amount of time.
When I play Riven I usually go with CDR runes and AD, that works well. But I'm still bad at this game. ;;
And yep, losing your lane to Nasus playing as Riven is sort of humiliating. Glad it didn't happen to me yet <3
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Riven wins any and all skirmishes at level 1... that is, if the opponent decides to skirmish at all, which would be dumb.
Then all they need to do is keep Riven from getting ahead by not dying. Speaking of which,
Kennen.
is the sole reason i stopped playing riven
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also after thinking some:
this will probably actually resurrect stealth champs because having a way to actually detect when they're ganking you allows riot to give them more strength
Does that still hold true if the mandrakes are sweep-able?
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Does that still hold true if the mandrakes are sweep-able?
probably
being able to sweep normal wards without being spotted isn't causing normal junglers to be nerfed into the ground
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Jarvan nerfs, eh? So that means we pick Lee Sin now.
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My problem with Riven is more over how stifling she is when she actually does get a lead. Riot nerfed her into oblivion for a reason: her kit is so overloaded that there isn't much you can do against her on a 1v1 basis once she gets rolling.
Really, she only does one type of damage, she's melee and she can only build squish. Doesn't even have sustain. Idk how people win with her.
Man, I haven't been feeling the love from Kenny. Feel so useless when my ult isn't up.
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Really, she only does one type of damage, she's melee and she can only build squish. Doesn't even have sustain. Idk how people win with her.
That line applies to basically every assassin. Last I checked, assassins somehow manage to put together decent performances even without having crowd control to prevent the opponent from responding. Riven's current kit is set up so that she's basically a more mobile assassin without any strings attached, gets stronger defenses by building squishy, and has decent lock down once she's on you. She isn't strong anymore since she's been nerfed so many times that she requires a disproportionately large amount of practice to be useful without a lead, not because of inherent flaws in her kit.
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That line applies to basically every assassin.
riven isn't an assassin, she's a fighter. regardless there's still a problem with your reasoning here(that being a lot of assassins deal both types of damage OR need to auto attack as part of their burst pattern)
looking at the assassin tag in client:
akali primarily deals magic damage but her e does physical and she is required to auto attack to proc the second part of her q
evelynn is in a weird fighter/assassin "what the fuck am i" stage but for the sake of argument, her e is entirely physical damage and her rotation encourages auto attacking between spells. also she can apparently build AD
fizz also deals hybrid damage. his q deals physical damage on top of bonus magic damage, and his w requires him to auto attack or use his Q to apply it. also he can build AD too
kassadin can only use his W through auto attacks
katarina can proc her q with auto attacks(though her mid-late game play patterns basically remove auto attacking from her play for the most part)
nocturne's e deals magic damage, though i'm not quite sure why he's still classed as an assassin considering he has to build tanky and auto attack for twenty years to kill someone
rengar's battle roar does magic damage
shaco's boxes and shiv both deal magic damage
on the other side, assassins who do not require auto attacks/physical damage(or AD ones who have entirely physical damage spells) are kha'zix, leblanc, master yi, nidalee(since cougar q changes all damage to magic damage), talon and zed
my overall point being that a great deal of assassins have either at least one thing that does the opposite damage type, or motivation to use auto attacks in their combo. i'm not saying this means "build armor/mr against them too!" but i just wanted to point out that more than half of what riot has classed as an assassin actually deal mixed damage to some degree
Last I checked, assassins somehow manage to put together decent performances even without having crowd control to prevent the opponent from responding. Riven's current kit is set up so that she's basically a more mobile assassin without any strings attached, gets stronger defenses by building squishy, and has decent lock down once she's on you.
there's no better CC than death! though a few of the assassins have slows(fizz, kha, etc.)
but i have to disagree on riven's kit being an assassin's kit. assassins are focused on dealing huge, up front burst and then being exhausted until their cds come up. riven's kit is built around doing a lot more sustained damage and interrupts to channels and casts(which barely exist anymore but they did in S1 when she was made). a full combo for riven would be 5 casts of spells(one of which does no damage) and 5 auto attacks in between them, which is an incredibly long time for an "assassin" to deal damage. and regard to her "lock down" the total CC duration of both her CCs is less than some other fighters have on a single ability(ex. renekton w, nasus w, irelia e, etc.). even when compared to assassin CC, leblanc's E has a longer lockdown duration(that she can use twice if she chooses), and fizz r
just because riven tends to build pure damage doesn't make her an assassin. she's built that way b/c her base stats are low and all of her defense is on her e which scales off of AD. also because she's been nerfed so many times that she can't perform well without pure AD. the end result being a confused fighter that deals a lot of damage when ahead and dies immediately when behind
also
a more mobile assassin without any strings attached
idk how you can say that when calling someone an assassin means that they have to compete with the mobility of kassadin, kha'zix, leblanc, nidalee, and zed. especially zed, who can teleport to you, deal tons of damage and then teleport back before you can accurately respond.
She isn't strong anymore since she's been nerfed so many times that she requires a disproportionately large amount of practice to be useful without a lead, not because of inherent flaws in her kit.
this statement is true but personally i would consider a kit that is either oppressive and dominating or worthless a flawed kit. any champion who can't be good without completely dominating their lane and the entire game is a champion in need of a fresh coat of paint on their kit imo
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That certainly applies for early game, but the vast majority of assassins lean so much towards either magic or physical after even a single item that the amount of damage coming out of the other end of the spectrum is largely trivial by comparison. Yes, LeBlanc are going to continue to auto you throughout the game, it just isn't significant enough for it to matter outside of those scenarios where you need every last point to secure a kill.
idk how you can say that when calling someone an assassin means that they have to compete with the mobility of kassadin, kha'zix, leblanc, nidalee, and zed. especially zed, who can teleport to you, deal tons of damage and then teleport back before you can accurately respond.
While Kassadin and Leblanc are definitely more mobile, I'd argue that Riven is just as mobile as Nid and Zed, just in a different way. While she doesn't have the same instant gap closers, her abilities are on a low enough cooldown without any associated cost that it's extremely difficult to either escape or catch her once she sets her mind to it. Nid's mobility is almost exclusively in going towards the opponent, and Zed can't continue a chase once his shadows are used up. Riven, on the other hand, endlessly mashes E and Q until she's in the position she wants.
It's kinda like how I consider Riven to be more mobile than Yasuo, despite the latter's extremely long range gap closers, because his main source of dashes is tied to having an opponent he can dash through/to. Riven gives no... cares about resources or enemy placement. She just bunny hops all over the place.
this statement is true but personally i would consider a kit that is either oppressive and dominating or worthless a flawed kit. any champion who can't be good without completely dominating their lane and the entire game is a champion in need of a fresh coat of paint on their kit imo
I can see that. A lot of my rage against Riven is in that she has a kit that has the potential to completely lock someone out of the game if her numbers are even comparable to the opponent's. I'm pretty certain that one Rioter outright stated that Riven in her current state is unbalancable.
Edit: I call Riven an assassin in the same way that LCS casters are starting to call Irelia a fighter/assassin despite Irelia being almost entire auto focused. Their one job is to jump on somebody squishy and murderize them as quickly as possible, with them doing anything else being either an extenuating circumstance or a mistake. It's more about what they're aiming to do than how decompressed their pattern is.
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That certainly applies for early game, but the vast majority of assassins lean so much towards either magic or physical after even a single item that the amount of damage coming out of the other end of the spectrum is largely trivial by comparison. Yes, LeBlanc are going to continue to auto you throughout the game, it just isn't significant enough for it to matter outside of those scenarios where you need every last point to secure a kill.
i put leblanc on the list of people who never auto you significantly lol
and i wasn't saying that the mixed damage was significant(i even said the opposite), i was just saying that you were incorrect that most assassins deal a single type of damage--most don't.
While Kassadin and Leblanc are definitely more mobile, I'd argue that Riven is just as mobile as Nid and Zed, just in a different way.
it's weird that you say this b/c zed is about on par with leblanc in terms of mobility. nidalee is also more mobile b/c of her bush passive.
While she doesn't have the same instant gap closers, her abilities are on a low enough cooldown without any associated cost that it's extremely difficult to either escape or catch her once she sets her mind to it.
you're forgetting about one important thing: walls. in terms of competing mobility, all of these champions have a much easier time hopping walls than riven does. more importantly, riven's intended targets also typically have very easy wall hopping abilities. riven, on the other hand, can only jump over certain walls and only if she uses her third q very precisely, meaning she can't use the knockup to secure an auto
Nid's mobility is almost exclusively in going towards the opponent,
pounce is on a 5 second cooldown. valor is on a 6 second cooldown and doesn't go as far. nidalee also gets increased movespeed in bushes, and like i said above, can hop over many walls easily(even moreso with hunt jungle escapes, which can make nidalee even more mobile by farhopping over a wall, bursting down a jungle minion in an instant and reducing the cooldown of pounce by several seconds)
and Zed can't continue a chase once his shadows are used up.
zed has a 20-40% slow on a 4 second cooldown. he also gets to build bork, a luxury riven can't afford because she requires pure AD. if zed uses his shadow properly(aka to deal with his target's gap closer in a duel) then he can very easily keep up with his common targets
Riven, on the other hand, endlessly mashes E and Q until she's in the position she wants.
you're not thinking of something important here. riven's Q is her primary damage spell. if she's using it just to gap close, she's not actually doing damage to anyone. so if she uses her Q to get into the position she wants for a fight, she doesn't have her Q for that fight, significantly cutting down her damage potential
I can see that. A lot of my rage against Riven is in that she has a kit that has the potential to completely lock someone out of the game if her numbers are even comparable to the opponent's. I'm pretty certain that one Rioter outright stated that Riven in her current state is unbalancable.
i'd have to agree with the rioter. riven's kit makes it so that when she's good, she's The Best, and when she's not good, she's basically unplayable from a competitive and casual standpoint.
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In Challenger news, CLG Black just won one game against TSM Darkness
to give fans false hope.
And apparently the recent buff to the upgraded ward trinket was all that was needed for me to drop more wards as a top laner than our support.
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In Challenger news, CLG Black just won one game against TSM Darkness to give fans false hope.
And apparently the recent buff to the upgraded ward trinket was all that was needed for me to drop more wards as a top laner than our support.
That upgraded ward trinket is so good I'm getting it as literally everyone.
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it's also bugged
it currently scales with cdr lmao
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Surprised no-one is talking about this:
Luden's Echo [Not available]
Recipe: Needlessly Large Rod + Aether Wisp + 650 gold
Total cost: 3100 gold
+120 Ability Power
+7% Movement Speed
UNIQUE Passive: Gain charges upon moving or casting. At 100 charges, the next spell hit expends all charges to deal 100 (+15% AP) bonus magic damage to up to 4 targets on hit. Of course any low-cooldown [Ryze?] or highly mobile [Ahri?] caster would probobly like this.
Basically a new 120AP item which is a caster's Shiv. Karthus is salivating at the prospect of spamming Q's like mad to get even AoE damage.
Also this is in the files:
Mana Item [Not available]
+X Ability Power
+X Mana
+X% Cooldown Reduction
Increases maximum Mana by X and generates stacks of Insight when spending mana (X conversion rate) up to X stacks (X of maximum Mana).
UNIQUE Active - Mana Burst: Releases a shockwave, consuming all stacks of Insight. Enemies hit by the shockwave are dealt X (+X*AP) magic damage. Allies hit by the shockwave restore X mana.
Another item Karthus would drool over I think; more AoE damage; and Karthus usually gets a RoA or a Tear.
Also thank goodness for the J4 nerfs. Way overdue. Although no; we won't be playing Lee Sin. There's still no sign of Jungle Nidalee nerfs...
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nidalee's cougar form spells need to be garbage until level 6 imo
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nidalee's cougar form spells need to be garbage until level 6 imo
You can't get much lower than 4 base magic damage. Unless you want to make Nidalee's Cougar Ratios scale with ranks in AotC; but the thing is Nidalee's Cougar form is mainly earlygame; lategame she is spears/heals and nothing else. Make her early ratios lower [Specifically the total AD ratio on Takedown; her cougar AP ratios are already low and she won't have much AP early] and you completely remove Nidalee from the game.
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and you completely remove Nidalee from the game.
yes please
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yes please
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yes please
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yes please
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A-Am I... The only one who likes playing Nidalee? :(
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A-Am I... The only one who likes playing Nidalee? :(
Oh, lots of people like playing Nidalee.
Playing against her however is kind of another thing entirely.
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I've been on the opposite end of the Law of Nidalee: I'm the only one half-competent at playing her in my games until someone else is.
And then that someone would happen to be playing jungle Nidalee BEFORE her jungle buffs.
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elements what was that
even faker has no idea what he just saw (https://twitter.com/SKTelecomFaker/status/568490592252108800)oops
poor froggen (http://i.imgur.com/bSA5aaY.png)
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Oh, lots of people like playing Nidalee.
Playing against her however is kind of another thing entirely.
I love playing as Nidalee. It's just that on one hand, while you melt face with her spears, so does literally everyone else ; v;
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New champion preview is out. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/champion-preview/wonder-above)
Apparently it's a bard, which is weird because I always assumed Sona was the bard of League. Also I'm sorry but who is the "shattered crown" talking about (I'm stupid)?
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My guess is that
the shattered crown refers to the Ruined King from the Shadow Isles. Given that they're talking about the pasts of the recently developed nations (meta wise), "denying the shadows embrace" makes me think "Shadow Isles pre-shadow".
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Get hyped <3
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They call their kind the Bards. Dosen't mean he IS a bard.
But if he is; or if he's even called Bard; he needs to make a Spoony reference.
Also I hope he dosen't have a lute and is a support. Sona would cry.
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You can't get much lower than 4 base magic damage. Unless you want to make Nidalee's Cougar Ratios scale with ranks in AotC; but the thing is Nidalee's Cougar form is mainly earlygame;
takedown isn't the problem, it's the damage on pounce and swipe giving her a super fast clear and letting her assassinate before 6(which is a problem because a lot of assassins don't get their ability to do so before 6). additionally takedown has enough scaling on other shit(like total AD) to make it too good at lvl 1
lategame she is spears/heals and nothing else.
um you play with shitty nidalees. if nid can plunk a squishy with a spear she can usually 100-0 them with cougar form's huge jump and the instant burst on swipe and takedown
Make her early ratios lower [Specifically the total AD ratio on Takedown; her cougar AP ratios are already low and she won't have much AP early]
having differing ratios on abilities is generally a bad idea b/c it interferes with player learning and also makes champion power spikes much, much bigger
and you completely remove Nidalee from the game.
yes please
Apparently it's a bard, which is weird because I always assumed Sona was the bard of League. Also I'm sorry but who is the "shattered crown" talking about (I'm stupid)?
comparing to dnd bards, sona is more of the type that casts magic and uses the aoe buffs. she doesn't really encompass the bards that choose rogue-ish melee combat or ranged combat, nor does she have the charismatic story-telling traits typical of bards. i'd say it's more likely we'd see a utility fighter or a utility carry rather than another sona
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um you play with shitty nidalees. if nid can plunk a squishy with a spear she can usually 100-0 them with cougar form's huge jump and the instant burst on swipe and takedown
having differing ratios on abilities is generally a bad idea b/c it interferes with player learning and also makes champion power spikes much, much bigger
1: Yes; I do play with awful jungle Nidalees. And if Nidalee in a lategame senario is A: Landing a Spear on a squishy and B: Manageing to get into melee cougar range with a damage build without being blown up and/or C.C'ed to death; something is horribly wrong.
2: I never said it was a good idea; just the only real way to nerf her ability damage. Besides; Pounce only has 50 base damage. 100 damage is impressive at Level 1 and 2... and is very quickly subpar after that until Nidalee's first R rank. The issue is the 1.5 second refresh; which lets her clear certain camps quickly. She's pretty bad at Gromp since she can't get the Pounce CDR.
Although honestly; why the hell does Pounce have a cooldown refresh mechanic anyway? It's 5 seconds base anyway, and 40% CDR puts it at 2.6...
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Inb4 we get a badass Skald.
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1: Yes; I do play with awful jungle Nidalees. And if Nidalee in a lategame senario is A: Landing a Spear on a squishy and B: Manageing to get into melee cougar range with a damage build without being blown up and/or C.C'ed to death; something is horribly wrong.
well one, that's just one scenario. but the range on pounce is fucking huge(like 750. like farther than anyone in the game(except ulting twitch) can auto attack). getting a kill also reduces the cooldown on pounce making for an easy escape
of course, nidalee also has the option of just sitting outside your turret with her team and pelting you with spears until you lose
2: I never said it was a good idea; just the only real way to nerf her ability damage. Besides; Pounce only has 50 base damage. 100 damage is impressive at Level 1 and 2... and is very quickly subpar after that until Nidalee's first R rank.
50 damage is way too much in the jungle for a manaless ability you can use every fuckin 1.5 seconds on an ap poke mage who needs to risk nothing to gank, who also has a heal
The issue is the 1.5 second refresh; which lets her clear certain camps quickly. She's pretty bad at Gromp since she can't get the Pounce CDR.
yeah it's almost like nidalee doesn't ever need to touch gromp ever until she can full burst it at like level 6.
Although honestly; why the hell does Pounce have a cooldown refresh mechanic anyway? It's 5 seconds base anyway, and 40% CDR puts it at 2.6...
idk. it's dumb. nidalee is dumb. #removenidalee2015
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idk. it's dumb. nidalee is dumb. #removenidalee2015
They probably wanted her to be a mobility-based fighter, kinda like how tristana is a highly mobile adc.
which would be cool and all if pounce didn't already have a stupidly low cooldown and she wasn't basically an assassin with a ton of poke a ton of damage a ton of mobility who can also build tanky. and heal.
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I'll just reinforce #removenidalee2015
I don't miss the old Nidalee AP who could shut down a carry with a single spear :')
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the only way nidalee can be "balanced" in her current state imo is if her human form is good, or her cougar form is good, but not both.
she should either be a poke mage or a mobile fighter/assassin but not both simultaneously
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Personally, it's Nid's spammable heal that pushes her over the edge for me. Her being able to out trade you by going in after poking with a skillshot wouldn't be nearly as frustrating if she wasn't capable of non-interactively undoing any damage you deal while she's poking. If that wasn't there then you'd at least have more incentive to try to jump on her when a spear misses.
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You know, the more I think about it the more I'm convinced Nemesis Mode was an experiment to show the community there are no bad champs only bad players.
(it's me)
(I'm the bad player)
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I didn't try Nemesis Draft yet. But probably I'll do pretty bad. I barely made into Gold last season. ;_;
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Yo I'm Queen of Wood Tier it doesn't matter :V
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They gave me Lulu today in Nemesis Draft.
Lulu is kinda my secondary main who I can play in any role except jungle. [And I could play her there in S3/4]
I went ADC Lulu and they surrended at 21 mins to the 7-0-2 Lulu who had a Triforce; Zerks and an almost-finished IE.
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You know, the more I think about it the more I'm convinced Nemesis Mode was an experiment to show the community there are no bad champs only bad players.
(it's me)
(I'm the bad player)
I personally like the mode since it gives people a chance to play with new champs and understand the basics of how they work. It'd certainly be nice if it felt a little more like that rather than "give the entire enemy team low winrate champs," but hey, it also gives me a chance to kick ass with low winrate champs and to prove winrates are kinda sorta garbage.
(It's a longshot, but was that a Paranatural reference right at the end there?)
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I personally like the mode since it gives people a chance to play with new champs and understand the basics of how they work. It'd certainly be nice if it felt a little more like that rather than "give the entire enemy team low winrate champs," but hey, it also gives me a chance to kick ass with low winrate champs and to prove winrates are kinda sorta garbage.
(It's a longshot, but was that a Paranatural reference right at the end there?)
People give people low winrate champs?
I just have people give each other Janna; Leona and Sona all the time. Despite them often being Top 10.
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I personally like the mode since it gives people a chance to play with new champs and understand the basics of how they work. It'd certainly be nice if it felt a little more like that rather than "give the entire enemy team low winrate champs," but hey, it also gives me a chance to kick ass with low winrate champs and to prove winrates are kinda sorta garbage.
(It's a longshot, but was that a Paranatural reference right at the end there?)
on a scale of yes to no
yes
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I personally like the mode since it gives people a chance to play with new champs and understand the basics of how they work. It'd certainly be nice if it felt a little more like that rather than "give the entire enemy team low winrate champs," but hey, it also gives me a chance to kick ass with low winrate champs and to prove winrates are kinda sorta garbage.
(It's a longshot, but was that a Paranatural reference right at the end there?)
in 5s it can get pretty involved. trying to guess what they want to give you based on their first pick and then trying to give them a shitty team to deal with that before they realize what you're doing
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A strong team-comp of the shittiest champions is better than a shitty team-comp of strong champs.
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People; stop giving me Mordekaiser in Nemesis Draft.
All that happens if the Huehuehue intensifies.
Also me playing Morde is a paradox. I love playing C.C tanks who dictate the flow of a fight with C.C and initiate.
Mordekaiser has no mobility or C.C or initiation ability at all. But he does fit into the other thing I love:
PUSHPUSHPUSHFARMFARMFARMPUSHPUSHPUSHFARMFARMFARM - All while harassing
Aka: Why my favorite ADC is Sivir; she makes engages happen AND she does the whole farm and push while harassing a little thing.
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Also Saint is playing Jungle Nunu. I'm waiting for the inevitable Saint Smite while he also has Consume.
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I consider myself a decent Sivir. But my lord Cop's Spellsheilds.
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Even though morde is considered "bad" people seem to forget he still can 1v5 late game by staying in place.
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Even though morde is considered "bad" people seem to forget he still can 1v5 late game by staying in place.
except..... he can't................... especially without dfg..........................
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Morde couldn't 1v5 anyway.
He can wreck teamfights if he is not focused down hard enough; because he will output heavy AoE; has the ghost threat and can shrug off things like residual AoE with his passive. Morde demands focus and attention. He's a bullet magnet.
Bullets which could be going towards; say; a Vayne.
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Bard, the newest champ, is apparently a mobility based support. (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/champion-reveal/bard-wandering-caretaker) Notably, he can allow both allies and enemies to ignore a wall and his ult is a mass Zhonyas.
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oh hey naga siren
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Don't know how good he'll actually be as a support since his entire kit is basically based around not being with your ADC while that's basically the whole point of the support role for the beginning of the game.
He'll probably be ridiculously good at pro levels since supports there roam all the time and everything anyway but probably not in solo q, especially with that ult.
tbh, I'm disappointed in the champ. He's a Bard in-name-only so my hype has died.
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He'll probably be ridiculously good at pro levels since supports there roam all the time and everything anyway but probably not in solo q, especially with that ult.
Come on, Zhonyas-ing all 9 other people during a Baron fight would be hilarious. Admittedly not exactly helpful, but his ult being able to CC his own allies opens up some truly glorious trolling potential.
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Now Kalista and Bard players will be able to troll each other!
(While the rest of their team reports them because holy fuck.)
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oh hey naga siren
But he's nothing like Naga Siren. ???
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He's so Ghibli it would hurt me physically not to instabuy him.
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It ain't the only indicator of things; but Veigar's lost almost 7% winrate and is now below 40% in ranked.
And Kassadin lost almost 9% winrate.
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I know this might be the worst nerf Kassadin has been hit with yet but give him a little time. I wouldn't be surprised if makes a resurgence (again). A friend of mine has tried a tanky AP build (Tear into RoA and Iceborn then tank) on him and has had success, but it might have been an isolated case.
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i'm beginning to think that riftwalk might be too much mobility to be healthy for league but idk for sure yet
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Anyone else seen the current PBE changes?
Juggernaught in particular being replaced by this:
Bami's Cinder [NEW ITEM]
Total Cost: 1000 gold
Recipe: Ruby Crystal + 600 gold
+300 Health
UNIQUE Passive - Immolate: Deals 5 (+1 per champion level) magic damage per second to nearby enemies. Deals 50% bonus damage to minions and monsters.
[Also builds into Sunfire Cape]
Jungle Enchantment: Cinderhulk [NEW]
Total Cost: 2000/2200 gold (NOTE: depends on jungle item!)
Recipe: Bami's Cinder + Tier 2 Jungle Item + 150/350 gold
Recipe costs 150 gold for Stalker's Blade and Ranger's Trailblazer
Recipe costs 350 gold for Skirmisher's Sabre and Poacher's Knife
+350 Health
+25% Bonus Health
UNIQUE Passive - Immolate: While in combat, deals 15 (+1 per champion level) magic damage a second to nearby enemies. This increases up to 100% based on time in combat. [So it actually outscales Sunfire Cape]
Makes me think this:
Welcome; Sejuani Overlords.
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They're also moving most of Nautilus' damage from his shield to his E. I'm not certain how much it'll help him, but I can't help but feel like it can only help to have him still be a threat even after you break his shield.
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I play nowhere near enough Nautilus to be able to comment on a change of the magnitude he is getting. Beyond 'Man is his early clear going to be even more pants'.
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They're also moving most of Nautilus' damage from his shield to his E. I'm not certain how much it'll help him, but I can't help but feel like it can only help to have him still be a threat even after you break his shield.
I'm curious to see how it will actually affect clear. I know they're intending E to replace it, but if that happens and E becomes priority to level for jungle then it in turn also affects his durability in the jungle and ability to gank from that high health point.
We'll see.
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Viktor in the LCS! :getdown:
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Viktor in the LCS! :getdown:
Also Hecarim toplane which the Koreans have been doing recently and I've said is decent for months now. WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING?
But yeah; Gravity are now my favorite NA team. Just for picking Viktor and Hecarim.
And then INSTAPAUSE.
Also Ex-Curse and Ex-Curse could be tied for 4th place. They cannot escape the Curse
Edit: Apparently Viktor got played in Korea too recently.
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Also Hecarim toplane which the Koreans have been doing recently and I've said is decent for months now.
hecarim top is only picked into very specific comps and actually hasn't been doing that well afaik
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I only know the Koreans have been doing it. I hardly see the Korean games.
Also Flashless Hecarim toplane [Not even Ghost] makes me cry. Viktor's doing alright but it's too far gone without a throw.
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I've heard it said that Hecarim is actually quite strong when laning against another melee. He really struggles against ranged until he gets a Triforce and can 100-0 his opponent, and that game had Hauntzer give first blood to a Kennen.
Edit: A battle is lost this day. Great is our shame.
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If the Victor pick catches on; you just know Riot have to do 'Victorious Viktor'.
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I'm actually kinda hoping he doesn't. Not only would Viktor becoming popular make me a hipster, Viktor has really low solo play-making potential thanks to how easy it is to escape his slow/stun field with a blink and ultimately falls under the category of wave-clear mid after he upgrades his laser. I do not miss the days of 40+ minute long games thanks to wave-clear mids preventing minion waves from reaching the towers.
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I'm actually kinda hoping he doesn't. Not only would Viktor becoming popular make me a hipster, Viktor has really low solo play-making potential thanks to how easy it is to escape his slow/stun field with a blink and ultimately falls under the category of wave-clear mid after he upgrades his laser. I do not miss the days of 40+ minute long games thanks to wave-clear mids preventing minion waves from reaching the towers.
How can you miss it?
One of the meta mids right now is Xerath.
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How can you miss it?
One of the meta mids right now is Xerath.
you can jump on xerath's face and murder him
that is a lot harder to do to viktor
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Just started to play LOL, so add me to the list ^^
My Summoner name is Werepuppy, and currently liking playing Warwick the most.
I'm also aiming to save up for Voilebare.
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you can jump on xerath's face and murder him
that is a lot harder to do to viktor
Both are immobile and are very soft.
In fact Viktor has less health than Xerath. [516~1842 vs Xerath's 514~1874]; although Viktor has more Armor; most burst is AP-based.
And Gravity Well isn't enough to stop you getting 100-0'ed; especially when you have less range than Xerath anyway and thus are in more danger.
It is just as easy if not easier to jump on Viktor and murder him. The only thing which could save Viktor when Xerath would die is his Q; but then you remember Xerath has an instant stun; so if Viktor is getting his Q off it's safe to say Xerath is getting his E off.
Both are very vulnerable to being jumped on. Hard to say which one is more vulnerable for sure; but just see how terrified Viktor was of being jumped on by Lissandra.
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Both are immobile and are very soft.
In fact Viktor has less health than Xerath. [516~1842 vs Xerath's 514~1874]; although Viktor has more Armor; most burst is AP-based.
And Gravity Well isn't enough to stop you getting 100-0'ed; especially when you have less range than Xerath anyway and thus are in more danger.
It is just as easy if not easier to jump on Viktor and murder him. The only thing which could save Viktor when Xerath would die is his Q; but then you remember Xerath has an instant stun; so if Viktor is getting his Q off it's safe to say Xerath is getting his E off.
Both are very vulnerable to being jumped on. Hard to say which one is more vulnerable for sure; but just see how terrified Viktor was of being jumped on by Lissandra.
Xerath has more openings during which you can jump him, such as while he's ulting or charging his Q. It's also harder to him to preemptively cc people like Talon and Zed during their ult, while Viktor can just place the gravity on himself. Viktor also gets a shield on his Q, and combined with having a gravity field on himself its movespeed bonus after upgrade can help him avoid taking more than 2 attacks from melee assassins before they're forced to leave the field or get stunned. Xerath's casting animations are also considerably longer for a full combo, which leaves him at more risk if he survives and tries to punish them before the assassin goes out of range.
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Xerath's stun is only 0.75 seconds when his opponent is in his face on top of it being a line skillshot, which can be unexpectedly difficult to land when the opponent is at point blank range. Gravity Well is a giant AoE that needs to be responded to if Viktor can live for 1.5 seconds.
And being scared of Lissandra when a gank is incoming isn't very good proof of how squishy you are. Anyone who doesn't build multiple tank items is going to be terrified of a Lissandra with teammates nearby all game long.
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people already posted what i was gonna say
also that lissandra has a point and click stun which anyone ever is scared of
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except sivir and nocturne but we're talking about mids so yeah
Viktor is love, Viktor is life, but ultimately he might just be more of a pubstomper. Still, it would be nice to have him around more in competitive play, especially now that Cass is being played less.
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Placements are over! I've placed
into bronze 2.
:qq:
I'll call this Not Terrible for a game I've played for six months.
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Apparently I'm quite capable as Sona.
Or maybe it's just general support skills. something something lighting their jungle up like a christmas tree. Maybe we ruled those last two games because it was three of us on skype who actually watch competitive and try to put observations into practice.
it sure isn't my ability to not feed the enemy ADC
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EL has 3 members of the old CLG.EU
67 min game happens.
Did anyone expect anything else?
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so this happened (http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2y7pxd/16x_jackpot_get/)
yay
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no fcuk rkoae for making ttelepor htomegoard ehcarim a thing
alos i'm drurnk
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no fcuk rkoae for making ttelepor htomegoard ehcarim a thing
alos i'm drurnk
Funny story, we went up against a Televive Hecarim once. I killed him in our base at one point, then he just teleported back in before I could even limp back to our fountain.
I wasn't even mad.
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Missed the game because timezones but RIP Coast.
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Edit:
You know how we didn't get an April Fool's skin for 2014?
Urf the Nami-tee
Order of the Banana Soraka
Definitely Not Udyr
Surprise Party Amumu
Archduke Nasus [Anyone who's seen Trick2G will get the joke when they see this skin...]
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wow the cane is now ACTUALLY REAL
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Is it just me or does bear stance Definitely Not Udyr kinda look like Freddy from FNaF?
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To give you guys an idea of how absurd Sejuani is right now:
Miss the first 3 mins of the game because I get stuck on the loading screen with Zac at 11% and Fizz at 44%. I reboot the client and the game is going. RITO PLZ
Toplane Master Yi is basically intentionally feeding the Fizz [Oh hey I've died 8 times to him already let's just try and fight him again. Also he built nothing but Dorans.]
Every lane loses horrifically.
Despite this I still end the game with a 5.0 K/D/A and can virtually 1v1 the Fizz who has like 12 kills [Admittedly most of them are a Yi who is worth virtually nothing]
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tbh thta story has naothign to do witht sejuain and everythigng to do w/ ur elo
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So; I had the idea of Bard jungle.
And by jungle I mean 'Kill gromp go to Tribrush and try a Lv 2 gank with Magical Journey then roam and kill Scuttlecrabs/Gromp while ganking; dropping wards and picking Chimes'. It's basically roaming Bard but without leaving your carry alone. And your midlaner can take Wolves/Raptors :D
Earlygame didn't go well but I was against a Lee Sin and my team didn't really follow up on my ganks. Then we won anyway because Bard/Sona combo wombo.
Not sure what to think after that game because I basically just went Chilling Smite -> Sightstone -> Jugg -> Warmog and played as a disruptive tank and initiator [Come from the side with Magical Journey and Q them]; or pressing R to set up a Sona R.
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That doesn't seem that great of an idea since you can just pick Rek'sai, do the same thing starting at level 3, and still have the ability to efficiently farm your own jungle if gank opportunities aren't showing themselves. 30 gold per camp is a pretty significant amount to be giving up by having your laners take the jungle farm instead of the one holding a machete, and you'll probably just continue to fall behind if you don't clear your jungle while waiting for a decent opening to affect your lanes.
That said, maybe Bard really is a jungler at heart. I'm just not a fan of the idea of ignoring your own jungle in the name of continuous gank attempts.
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i need to start getting on earlier since people keep posting my posts before me ;p
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I never said it was good; only that I am testing it. It's Spanish Inquisition logic. I just do things people don't expect a jungler to do.
I went 0/0/4 really early just now and then the enemy Lee top got superfed and single-handedly wrecked the lanes I put ahead with TP ganks D:
I'll give it this however; it's fun; but it also feels really, really weird. And oddly relaxing.
It also feels like 5 times more useful than support Bard; who mostly does little in lane because people are smart enough or use their evasion skill so they don't get stunned; and screws his carry over wandering about.
Also Rek'Sai can't stun towers.
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In other news...
YOE! *clap clap* FLASH WOLVES! *stomp*
I'm perfectly fine with this, as long as they can prove TW/SEA still deserves to be considered a major region.
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TSMMM
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I have a feeling I'll be checking my phone on the road all day tomorrow because these matches are going to be juicy
edit: CALLED IT, GET REKT HATERS
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rip in pepperonis korea
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game 1 was ridic
those last few teamfights were spectacular
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if i've learned one thing from this tournament it's that
i am a gamer
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this is like worlds all over again
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the dyrus rejection is basically my Favorite Thing now
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the dyrus rejection is basically my Favorite Thing now
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2z5we5/spoiler_grand_final_iem_katowice_2015_day_3/cpfxlah
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dammit dyrus
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idk if it's just because of the time of day i play, but team builder seems to just be "join the group of a special snowflake playing a garbage champion, or wait 10m for a garbage champion in an otherwise good team"
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idk if it's just because of the time of day i play, but team builder seems to just be "join the group of a special snowflake playing a garbage champion, or wait 10m for a garbage champion in an otherwise good team"
you resolve this by being team captain playing support and using the reject option many,many times.
also as an in demand position you can reject teams that are trash, when supporting I can reject 10-20 teams if they have the wrong comp for me.
I also use team builder to try out crazy picks you couldn't even get away with in blind pick. The important bit is to use the leave/kick options regularly.
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The only time I use reject in team builder is katarina
because fuck katarina
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you resolve this by being team captain playing support and using the reject option many,many times.
also as an in demand position you can reject teams that are trash, when supporting I can reject 10-20 teams if they have the wrong comp for me.
I also use team builder to try out crazy picks you couldn't even get away with in blind pick. The important bit is to use the leave/kick options regularly.
this solution has the problem of assuming that i want to play support at that point in time lol
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this solution has the problem of assuming that i want to play support at that point in time lol
if not you are going to have 20 minute + queues. It's play the role you want OR get a good team quickly.
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if not you are going to have 20 minute + queues. It's play the role you want OR get a good team quickly.
this is a myth. even in the dead of night, i NEVER experience 20m total queue time
it's misinformation like this giving team builder the shitty problems it has now
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So which of the games (or full matches) from last week are the ones worth watching?
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So which of the games (or full matches) from last week are the ones worth watching?
The finals are definitely worth watching.
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So I watched an LCS match in entirety for the first time just now-- TDK versus Final Five
Amazing how after a 15-minute earlygame blowout and hella lead F5 still lost. The viewers voted 20-80 in their favor lmao
I wish my games were this exciting
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(http://i.imgur.com/zlczjUL.jpg)
Yes good.
I approve.
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soraka has no horn?
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holy fuck what was that game
rito pls nerf the nexus
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Apparently Fnatic cannot XPeke without XPeke.
Who'd have thunk it?
Also Support Nautilus happened.
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So I watched an LCS match in entirety for the first time just now-- TDK versus Final Five
Amazing how after a 15-minute earlygame blowout and hella lead F5 still lost. The viewers voted 20-80 in their favor lmao
I wish my games were this exciting
*NACS
I'm rooting for Fusion myself, but I'm also hoping TDK doesn't turn into another Quantic... not that it's likely at this point because there don't seem to be glaring problems thus far.
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Best character is Master Yi. Just saying, since I base my real-life swordplay with his fighting style.
Used to be a hit-and-run specialist with him. Everyone hated me for it, but them right clicks man. They hurt, especially on your mouse!
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Please watch Unicorns of Love vs Fnatic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBQ1KdfXoxY) holy shit I haven't seen a more exciting and crazy matches in a very, very long time.
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GE Tigers Vs Cj Entus, go catch VoD now..
60 minute swing game then BoC mid sion, and Kennen aoe baron steal
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yoeFW is going on strike and won't attend LMS this week. Disbanding possible.
...I would hate for them to just break up like that after replenishing Europe's salt supply.
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I like the fact that Saint is playing Nunu and still can't lasthit Baron.
http://i.imgur.com/aofUX6P.png?1
He literally left it at 1 HP.
Also can we just stay on 5.5 forever?
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Who got the baron?
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Who got the baron?
Corki. Rek'Sai had just smited Bunnyfufu to kill him about 7 seconds before.
But the point is Saint managed to miss Smite/Consume. In typical Saint fashion.
Also yes that is an Urgot in the LCS.
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Please watch Unicorns of Love vs Fnatic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBQ1KdfXoxY) holy shit I haven't seen a more exciting and crazy matches in a very, very long time.
Seriously, this. The game was absolutely glorious. The bloodiest game of the LCS this split by far and with some superb moments, watch watch watch, pro click.
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So. Dignitas is in the Relegation zone and cannot get out.
Why is there always a huge NA name in relegations these days?
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Is that Dignitas Dignitas in name only? Isn't everyone on that team gone now?
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Is that Dignitas Dignitas in name only? Isn't everyone on that team gone now?
More or less, yeah. They only have Shiphtur and Kiwi left from the old team and have had to replace their jungler multiple times over the split. They don't even have Scarra as a coach anymore. I really don't think it's a good sign for your organization when you get a mass exodus of players the moment their contracts run out.
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Teemo is getting another skin.
And it's another legendary.
I'm a little salty that Cho and Teemo have so many skins and 2 legendaries when multiple champions have less than half their skins and 0 legendaries.
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Well, consider that all of Teemo's skins are basically "LET'S DRESS HIM UP IN THE CUTEST WAY IMAGINABLE".
We're finally getting something different than that, which seems to deal with Teemo's mind finally "snapping" from all the killing he's done.
(Although wasn't Tristana supposed to help with that?)
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holy shit
(Although wasn't Tristana supposed to help with that?)
"we ain't all makin it outta here"
she ded
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she ded
Super Galaxy Rumble Vs Omega Squad Teemo, the ultimate showdown of good vs evil.
riot pls
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I just had a Katarina inisistant that Liandrys was good on her.
She ended up doing the 2nd least damage on the team.
Liandrys is a complete noobtrap item except on a select few characters. For the total upgrade price of 1415 gold; you get 100 HP; 25 AP and the burn passive.
That's it.
And the burn passive is based on CURRENT HP.
I swear; every time I see a burst caster build Liandry's I die inside. They literally wasted 1415 gold. That's virtually a Needlessly Large Rod. Or the components of a Void Staff.
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i love this upcoming teemo skin mostly because my failed attempt at RPing dark teemo is now sorta canon
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I just had a Katarina inisistant that Liandrys was good on her.
She ended up doing the 2nd least damage on the team.
Liandrys is a complete noobtrap item except on a select few characters. For the total upgrade price of 1415 gold; you get 100 HP; 25 AP and the burn passive.
That's it.
And the burn passive is based on CURRENT HP.
I swear; every time I see a burst caster build Liandry's I die inside. They literally wasted 1415 gold. That's virtually a Needlessly Large Rod. Or the components of a Void Staff.
uhhhhh i dunno man, i think it's decent on her. I mean, at least it's not a bad item to get if the enemy team is 3tanky5you. But then again, i think you're right that the void staff is worth it more.
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Haunting Guise isn't bad on Katarina (In fact it's pretty solid). Liandry's is, because Katarina's entire thing is bursting through someone's remaining HP in a huge chunk, not whittling them down over time, which is what Liandry's specializes in. HG meanwhile grants flat penetration, HP, and a small amount of AP that basically helps her wreck the faces of people with no MR.
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remember that one time we had this conversation already and i posted that one mathcraft of liandry's outdamaging void at all levels of mr until the enemy champion has 100 hp
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remember that one time we had this conversation already and i posted that one mathcraft of liandry's outdamaging void at all levels of mr until the enemy champion has 100 hp
nope and I'm kinda surprised by that information actually ngl
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nope and I'm kinda surprised by that information actually ngl
http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs/a-different-view/diff-the-ender/23231-liandrys-torment-is-incredibly-strong
bam
the only exceptions are full qwer combos(aka lux, leblanc, etc.)
as an aside, thinking that katarina is a qwer champion shows a massive lack of understanding of how katarina actually plays. and also a lack of foresight into the coming tank meta.
also why would anyone think that adding a 3+% hp burn onto three targets onto a champions ult would be a bad thing?
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Teemo is getting another skin.
And it's another legendary.
I'm a little salty that Cho and Teemo have so many skins and 2 legendaries when multiple champions have less than half their skins and 0 legendaries.
They've mentioned a handful of times in some board topics that Teemo is one of the easiest champions they have on hand to modify, I think in terms of both animation and modeling.
This is, they said, why Jinx skins will probably be released extremely slowly, given her having two "modes" and ridiculous ponytails.
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Speaking of Teemo, he now has a 100% winrate in the challenger series (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjwoHpiurqk) over two games total. (Also Gangplank and Varus, though Gangplank's only in the non shoutcasted first game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdt3HrEs5sc)).
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better nurf
irelaeverybody
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I started playing this today. Pretty fun so far, played like 5 hours learning the game.
Username is NekomimiRex
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Rito have announced N.U.R.F. They also posted this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNeK02rgxQs#t=74
They're really going all-out with the troll. Especially with the 'It's back' thing at the end. Of course, they also said N.U.R.F comes tomorrow. March 31st.
The amount of people in comments on both Riot's announcement page and on Youtube who cannot figure out what's going to happen April 1st [N.U.R.F gone; U.R.F in. Or at least U.R.F back.] is amazing.
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CHOO CHOO TIME TO ROCK THOSE MINESKI ICONS
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For a few moments I was almost convinced ELO Hell actually exists.
Allied jungle Hecarim.
Executed twice.
Never ganks any lane. Includeing a perma-pushed-to-T2 Annie Top.
In teamfights literally sits BEHIND THE VAYNE, and does nothing; except trying to ult away when he was dying [But his reaction speed was so slow he usually died anyway.]
Then I remembered ELO Hell doesn't actually exist, reported the Hecarim for Assisting enemy team [His teamfighting was basically making us 4v5... and he was flameing anyway] and went -_[._.]_- he probobly brought his account or something because you don't even see players that bad on SaltyTeemo.
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Playing nothing but ARAM has proven to make me somewhat of a lopsided player. I'm okay at handling a large array of champions and super kick ass at teamfights sometimes, but I'm terrible as fuck at laning, need CS practice, can't harass without skills, and am free ganks every game. My ARAMs clock in at about 1300 (I was getting 1400 last season) while my ranked games are only 950 or so. I've fallen to bronze 3 :qq:
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Then I remembered ELO Hell doesn't actually exist, reported the Hecarim for Assisting enemy team [His teamfighting was basically making us 4v5... and he was flameing anyway] and went -_[._.]_- he probobly brought his account or something because you don't even see players that bad on SaltyTeemo.
I picked this game up a few days ago (Amumu 5ever), and yesterday had a Twisted Treeline game where, as Veigar, I dominated the entire enemy team 1v3 because apparently Game Is Hard at level 10 Twisted Treeline PVP. My own team mates? I don't know what they were doing. Pushing bot or something silly and absurd. I just know the enemy came up to me and I melted them instantly because Game Is Hard. EDIT: What I mean to say is, I think you do see terrible players every now and again. Games like DOTA and LOL are complex and require a keen understanding of basic concepts as harassment, Not Feeding and map awareness. Some people just don't have that, or they're not very serious and just consider dying funny at start.
Not everyone has the mindset that every minute is precious, every death a waste and every kill for the glory of Demacia.
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I've had some moderate success so far playing, tried teambuild and it's usually a coin toss for if I win because my team was fed or because the enemy wins because they were fed. Mostly playing Ahri and Annie, although Jinx and Garen are free this week and I liked them playing as a noob so I might pick them up again.
Been playing Annie as support. She's fun as support, good build.
Also apparently Dragons Matter because once you get one or two you start steamrolling.
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although Jinx and Garen are free this week and I liked them playing as a noob so I might pick them up again.
Garen can be got for free if you follow the LoL Twitter. I'm not at home so I don't have a link handy to the site, some woobox or something. It also comes with a Dreadknight skin. The more you know!
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Garen can be got for free if you follow the LoL Twitter. I'm not at home so I don't have a link handy to the site, some woobox or something. It also comes with a Dreadknight skin. The more you know!
Which actually begs the question: Why is Garen on the free rotation? Tristana and Alistar are excluded from it because they can be obtained for free.
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Garen has been on the whole "get it for free" thing for less time than the other two, Riot probably just forgot to remove him from it.
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It's been several weeks since Bard's release and I still can't figure out if Jungle Bard has any potential at all or not.
It's so... different to any other jungler; yet it can do things no other jungler can. Like stun towers. Or gank through walls.
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jungle bard has 0 potential rn because his damage is just way too low to clear at all and the chimes don't make up for the exp discrepancy. maybe if his damage gets buffed but i don't think he'll fit into the current meta very well. it might be a thing that could potentially work in 5s after his damage gets buffed, but i don't see it working in solo queue b/c his duel is super super weak
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IT'S HAPPENING (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/urf-rising)
This time with champion specific balance changes to buff or nurf outlier champions and some bloody hilarious patch notes
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There is no NURF; only URF.
Also; despite being banned last time; there are no champion-specific changes to Nidalee. [Sure there's the heal nerf but that isn't what makes Nidalee Nidalee]
Wat. Rito we know you blatantly favoritism Nidalee but seriously.
Also Rumble is playable [And by playable I mean not a steaming hunk of overheated junk] this year. YAAAAAY [Although relatively his Q still has a 3 second cooldown so he still gets owned.]
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isn't that 100% uptime tho
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Lifesteal and stuns are deadly in NURF, as I have found out. Any spammy stun or silence can be used to destroy any champ 1 on 1. Lifesteal just takes advantage of the ridiculous power creep.
And yes, even with the debuff to heals, won't stop early game from making them unstoppable. With no mana cost and zero cooldown there's no reason not to play medic as support, unless you have a stun instead.
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isn't that 100% uptime tho
100% uptime on a DoT while everyone else nukes you with sub 3 second cooldown spells which are not DoT.
It's like Swain. Sure he can perma-ult but what good is it if everyone else can constantly blast you?
Also my salt levels are at maximum right now due to 5 games; 5 losses; and general idiots.
Game 1: This one was actually good, aside from the enemy LeBlanc that was spamming allchat with XD every time she got a kill and derp every time she died. Which was a lot.
Game 2: AFK Ezreal. Also I had to 1v2 lane against Lulu/Shen. Fun.
Game 3: AFK LeBlanc. Also I had to 1v2 lane against Urgot/Zed.
Game 4: Someone picked Karthus. Karthus' Q dosen't benefit in URF and his harder to land. Karthus' Defile is the same. Sure he has R; but he's kinda garbage. Also had to lane against Jayce/Jinx. Fun. Also the other lanes fed while mine did OK.
Game 5: Someone picked Soraka. 50% heal nerf, and she's still killing herself. Also her Starfall and Equinox are never hitting anybody ever.
More importantly however was that our Jinx was an utter moron; at 1/7 [She got worse] acting like she was queen of the world and talking down to everyone else at which point I snapped because by this point I was fed up with idiots after she was talking about 'what are you guys doing we don't have towers look at the map' [When my lane has taken T1 and T2 towers...] and said 'Look at the 1/7 Jinx what are you doing?'. That didn't shut her up and she kept going on about stupid things. [EG: I trade 2 for 1 and she goes on about how trading 1 for 1 isn't worth it. Despite their streaks. And the fact I traded 2 for 1. ]
Needless to say; I think I've played enough URF for the day. When my rage meter explodes like that it's generally a sign to stop.
Although to be honest I never *really* liked URF anyway. Was funnest when people were still figureing out what's dumb.
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Soraka is absolutely silly in this mode if you know what's up (I was holding my own and then some in a 1v2 lane) and now I can wear a cute little fruit hat with my banana staff today is the best day.
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So Leona. Let me tell you about the girl with a 2.2s CD on a 1.25s stun, a 2.8s CD on a 3s duration Shield+AoE burst, a 2.6s CD on an awesome root and somewhere in there there's a 15s CD on her ult or some shit.
Step 1: Hit E. Hit E like it's your F5 button.
Step 2: Use E to enter the battlefield.
Step 3: Use Q to hit a mofo.
Step 4: Use R to hit a mofo.
Step 5: Use Q to hit a mofo.
Step 6: Use E to chase down mofos that try to run or that try to fight.
Step 7: Use Q to hit a mofo.
Step 8: Repeat from 6 until everything's dead.
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It's like Swain. Sure he can perma-ult but what good is it if everyone else can constantly blast you?
You mean like the Swain that can use Zhonya's while ulted and still kill people and heal while ulted while they can do nothing
You mean the swain that can stack his DoT for redonculous damage
You mean that swain
Because that Swain is far from bad y'know.
And somehow I doubt that Rumble's 100% uptime on shield and Q and permaslow is all that bad either.
Also Sona is still fucking ridiculous in this mode, you just bang your head on your keyboard and things die, you don't even need to AA lol.
Also, Bard has a surprising amount of damage if you give him Luden's Echo and Lich Bane. Since BOTH proc on his passive.
Especially when you consider that at max level his Q can permastun enemies if it hits a wall :V (Okay there's like a 0.15 sec window where they can move but still.)
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yeah tanky dot champions are still good, you just have to build defenses a lot earlier than usual b/c everyone gets their items so much faster
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4 mirror matches in a row; LB, Sona, Nidalee, Nidalee
I was always the better one so I won all of them :V
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Oh Buddha [This filter] this URFitational.
Froggen hacking the tournament realm to kill NURF.
The accents.
And outfits.
Wow.
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I'm impressed by how far they're going with this. Even roping in the players for the production is great.
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Even the slides are funny during the downtime.
Curse is 4th.
CASTER COACHES WITH THE TEAMS. Phreak is one of them.
The other casters seem to be making up for Phreak's puns. 'A Phreakishly large bag'.
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༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIVE FURY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
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Nautilus is so stupid in this mode.
It's great.
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Evelynn.
Just... Evelynn.
Combine a Luden's Echo for maximum stupidity.
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Evelynn.
Just... Evelynn.
Combine a Luden's Echo for maximum stupidity.
Luden's Echo is great on basically every caster ever in this mode
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basically no matter who you are if you're going ap you get a fucking luden's echo full stop
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You don't even need to AA people though, you just Q them while you gently kite their skillshots around with your W.
Luden's only makes that worse :V
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So for normal mode, I like Leona as a bot support, Amumu for jungle (AMUMU!!!!!), Annie for mid (maaaaaybe Veigar since I bought him), and I played Leona top once and it was funny but not really great. I generally like the champions who are either great at:
A) Getting out of a fight
B) Being very tanky
C) Wrecking shit when they go fight
Who can you recommend? I like Vladimir on paper (haven't played him yet, though!), but none of my current heroes really fill all three. Annie has A/C, Amumumu has B/C, Leona is B/C, Veigar is only C. Is there a hero that fills all three?
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don't play vlad, he sucks and is for assholes
play vi
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Vi and Gnar are two very good candidates. Vi has really good damage, is tanky and can escape fights with her Q, gnar is only tanky half of the time (but the on the other half he is really, really painful and not completely not-painful on the first half either). He can also somewhat escape fights with his E.
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Vi is thankfully free this week so I'll try her out first! Thanks guys.
EDIT: Also why does Vlad suck? The only Vlad I ever played with was an asshole so that checks out.
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He sucks...
your blood
also i'm not sure whether he was being sarcastic or not because if he means vlad actually sucks then it'd be because of health costs but if by sucks he means op then it's because of his q (and w)
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Vlad's gameplay is really non-interactive and extremely snowbally, not to mention there is very little counter to his trollpool or really just Vlad in general, the fact that he's one of the few champions which have the "build x stat, gain % in another stat" passive also doesn't help either because it means he just gets bigger bang for his buck which only helps him snowball HARDER.
That said, his early game is fucking atrocious, which is probably why he doesn't see play at all right now, I'm also pretty sure that all of his non-interaction made Riot nerf him to the ground (although i don't actually remember that happening probably because I don't pay attention to Vlad) so yeah.
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vlad just doesn't have enough utility for how little damage he does early, and doesn't have enough damage to justify his lack of utility
his design is also toxic and frustrating so he'll probably never get significantly buffed for long
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That said, his early game is fucking atrocious, which is probably why he doesn't see play at all right now,
He's starting to see pro play. Not necessarily to much success, mind.
The main thing is that while he sustains and is a bitch to kill, being an annoying shit is about everything he brings to the table. People tend to think of him as a tank but he doesn't actually have enough of a threat to draw any attention, he's just there. Being irritating.
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faker played him recently and had to get carried by his team to a victory
vlad is so bad that faker can't even do good on him
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For what it's worth my brother's been playing vlad rop in ranked and has been apparently doing well and carrying.
He's also silver tho.
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apparently ryuu-kyun and friends blew up the guitarist from imagine dragons earlier
http://i.imgur.com/rBrter5.jpg
he was the leona
don't mind my score, i was the team tank
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oh look it's CLG choking when it matters once again
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oh look it's CLG choking when it matters once again
choking link gaming
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CLG was destined to lose.
Liquid had to win. Then they will lose to Cloud9 and finish in the 3rd/4th position.
They cannot be denied.
Also then TSM/C9 finals.
Also HSGG said last time this happened he 'won#t let this happen again' and 'knew all the answers'. Well; GG...
[The twitter post back then: https://twitter.com/clg_hotshotgg/status/505500173129482240]
Edit:
https://twitter.com/CLG_HotshotGG/status/584476834550554625 -
Changes need to be made and they will.
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they really need to bench link. ever since he choked vs TSM weeks and weeks ago, he's been playing worse and worse. he's choked in every pressure game and his poor performance has been stacking pressure on the rest of the team. get rid of link and clg will probably be gr8 all season instead of just the beginning
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Don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure Shaco is alongside Poppy in the 'If this is ever a competitive pick we will nerf it to the ground' department.
Well; it just happened.
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That only applies if they become regular competitive picks.
Poppy has been picked in LCS and actually has a 100% win rate in LCS.
But that was one game.
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Yep. 1 cheese game in one thing, regular is another.
But still, was Poppy played in such an important game?
Plus everyone hates Shaco so...
Edit: Now we have toplane Shyvana with Smite. On Gravity. Clearly it is to make up for Saint. *shot*
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Yes, the team that used poppy was two games down, they went with poppy, they won that game and proceeded to win the series.
Also, Poppy carried that particular game, so...
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tbh i'm not sure any team besides UOL could have pulled off that pick and on top of that i'm not sure if UOL could have pulled it off against anyone except gambit
it was also very much a mind games pick too. they got gambit on tilt and then the shaco pick made gambit play like total bitches the entire early game.
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There was Maknoon's Poppy but that didn't go quite as well.
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I get why I'm liking League more than DOTA2 at the moment.
I like playing Support. It's not very stressful, and you can help your team mates by making sure they get to do the killing and the enemy team won't do any killing. Or much. Sona is amazing because she can provide so much! (I like Lulu too, though!) Having spellthief's edge and the appropriate masteries mean your gold income is just fine, especially if you poke/harass a lot.
When it comes to support bot, a good support makes or breaks the lane, I feel. At least, whenever I play bot lane, I'm more threatened by enemy support than enemy adc, regardless of whether I'm support or adc. As support, I make it my job to be as annoying as possible and bully the other support (and adc, god willing!) out of the lane.
In DOTA2, support doesn't feel nearly as rewarding, and you hardly have the item slots or even gold to really get rolling unless your team is rolling.
For the foreseeable future, I think I'll be playing League of Sona whenever I feel the MOBA urge.
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I get why I'm liking League more than DOTA2 at the moment.
I like playing Support. It's not very stressful, and you can help your team mates by making sure they get to do the killing and the enemy team won't do any killing. Or much. Sona is amazing because she can provide so much! (I like Lulu too, though!) Having spellthief's edge and the appropriate masteries mean your gold income is just fine, especially if you poke/harass a lot.
When it comes to support bot, a good support makes or breaks the lane, I feel. At least, whenever I play bot lane, I'm more threatened by enemy support than enemy adc, regardless of whether I'm support or adc. As support, I make it my job to be as annoying as possible and bully the other support (and adc, god willing!) out of the lane.
In DOTA2, support doesn't feel nearly as rewarding, and you hardly have the item slots or even gold to really get rolling unless your team is rolling.
For the foreseeable future, I think I'll be playing League of Sona whenever I feel the MOBA urge.
I think you're the first person I've ever seen say that they prefer league support to dota support.
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I think you're the first person I've ever seen say that they prefer league support to dota support.
Why would people like playing DOTA support? D:
EDIT: googled a bit, and let me say that I enjoy the more passive "Can't blame me if a gank goes wrong" attitude LoL supports get to enjoy. I'm there to make the main hero hoist the sails and grab the glory. I'm the guy who tells you where the Master Sword is. It's not glory, it's not amazing. But I like it.
And at the start of the game? We dominate bot lane because I make that happen. And I get rewarded with gold for all my poke efforts. I feel like LoL supports get more reward for doing their job right, whereas a DOTA support struggles to make ends meet if they don't partake in jungling as a part-timer and seizing their own kills.
I do like DOTA2 wards more than LoL wards tho
EDITEDIT: Also gotta say, I feel like bot Sona gets to harass a LOT more and a LOT easier than DOTA2 supports, since sustain is less on LoL.
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I enjoy the more passive "Can't blame me if a gank goes wrong" attitude LoL supports get to enjoy.
hahaha oh bby
Enjoy that while it lasts :ohdear:
(nah some of my favorite characters are support it's a fun position but you will inevitably get blamed for nonsensical reasons same as everyone else welcome to yolo queue!)
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I will enjoy it while it lasts, in DOTA2 the carries are way too hard to babysit because they're always pinging everywhere and I need to do a gadjillion things and they never pay attention when I pull so they over-extend and die. In LoL, I can just stay close to my ADC and jerk him or something and no one complains about all the other 50 things I have to do.
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I will enjoy it while it lasts, in DOTA2 the carries are way too hard to babysit because they're always pinging everywhere and I need to do a gadjillion things and they never pay attention when I pull so they over-extend and die. In LoL, I can just stay close to my ADC and jerk him or something and no one complains about all the other 50 things I have to do.
Man, you would've hated this game back in Season 3 then, the support literally had to ward the entire map and then some.
Supports are unfortunately the role that get shat upon the most, especially by their ADCs, but your assessment of the bot lane dynamics is more or less correct - supports are what makes the bot lane, not the ADCs. That's the entire point of the ADCs after all, being weak early that they need to be carried by a role that is strong early and doesn't need nearly as much income.
Of course, there are exceptions, MF is a godlike duelist even at early levels, Graves has way too much burst if he actually gets in your face, Lucian is kind of good early (although his passive nerfs helped mitigate that somewhat), twitch is really dangerous at low levels, so on and so forth. Every ADC has a quirk that you need to learn but in general it's the support that makes the lane.
(And you probably already know this, but Sona is the third squishiest character in the game (losing only to gnar and anivia iirc) so always be careful when playing as her.)
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Man, you would've hated this game back in Season 3 then, the support literally had to ward the entire map and then some.
Supports are unfortunately the role that get shat upon the most, especially by their ADCs, but your assessment of the bot lane dynamics is more or less correct - supports are what makes the bot lane, not the ADCs. That's the entire point of the ADCs after all, being weak early that they need to be carried by a role that is strong early and doesn't need nearly as much income.
Of course, there are exceptions, MF is a godlike duelist even at early levels, Graves has way too much burst if he actually gets in your face, Lucian is kind of good early (although his passive nerfs helped mitigate that somewhat), twitch is really dangerous at low levels, so on and so forth. Every ADC has a quirk that you need to learn but in general it's the support that makes the lane.
(And you probably already know this, but Sona is the third squishiest character in the game (losing only to gnar and anivia iirc) so always be careful when playing as her.)
I thought jungler was blamed the most.
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Well Jungler and Support are generally always competing for "role that gets shat upon the most", although most of what the support gets is definitely from their ADC so eh.
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Why would people like playing DOTA support? D:
People like DotA support because it's a lot easier to play than the other roles.
Like all you need to do is put down wards and wander around with a tp scroll for ganks/counterganks while not dying too often (the wards you place help a lot with this) early game then let your team carry you to victory.
As opposed to the offlane where you're probably getting about as much farm as the support except you're expected to make plays, mid where you actually need to outplay your opponent and pray that you don't get ganked, or the safe lane carry that is worthless if you can't farm and worthless even if you can farm since you're just going to get cc'd down anyway.
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Well Jungler and Support are generally always competing for "role that gets shat upon the most", although most of what the support gets is definitely from their ADC so eh.
Yeah, jungler has solo lanes though. Then again, usually people end up telling the support to ward regardless.
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People like DotA support because it's a lot easier to play than the other roles.
Like all you need to do is put down wards and wander around with a tp scroll for ganks/counterganks while not dying too often (the wards you place help a lot with this) early game then let your team carry you to victory.
As opposed to the offlane where you're probably getting about as much farm as the support except you're expected to make plays, mid where you actually need to outplay your opponent and pray that you don't get ganked, or the safe lane carry that is worthless if you can't farm and worthless even if you can farm since you're just going to get cc'd down anyway.
You know; and you have to try to not die when most of the other characters in the game can oneshot you or close to it; have massive level advantages; and you have no items, and your mana is an issue. Because if a carry blows you up you're feeding them they go mad and murder your whole team.
Also DotA supports have to deal with the middle finger called BKB.
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git gud.
It's not really all that hard to not die as long as you don't get caught out by yourself. If you get caught out as any hero, you're a goner.
Losing teamfights is a completely different story, if that's what you're talking about.
Also I hate when supports in DotA complain about having no gold/items because they buy wards and shit. It's like 150 gold every 7 minutes isn't going to break the bank even if you're not getting farm, learn to manage your reliable/unreliable gold.
As for BKB, you just need to learn to deal with it and take advantage of how strong you are before the enemy team manages to farm up their BKBs.
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Oh, man, let me tell you about playing support before Season 4. I loved lighting everything up with pink wards just because I can, but there simply not much else to it, and if I got behind, I was pretty much screwed. Sona was the best back then.
Now that I can't do that, I actually have to fight, which would be okay except no one I play with seems to know how to play with/around a Sona when lategame comes around. So I win lane hard only for it to be wasted. 20% win rate in ranked play this season.
I miss the bae days.
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This is the greatest League of Legends video in the history of videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jckM8jysBLo)
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Now that I can't do that, I actually have to fight, which would be okay except no one I play with seems to know how to play with/around a Sona when lategame comes around.
I hardly know what I'm doing, how to play Sona lategame? :P
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I hardly know what I'm doing, how to play Sona lategame? :P
You press all the buttons.
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20% win rate in ranked play this season.
idk your sample size but something like this points more towards the common element(aka not the champions, or teammates but the player)
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Fair point. I do tend to play too far forward even when it's not laning phase anymore, so that's something to fix.
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Looking back at what data I do have (5 game sample size), I've consistently outwarded the enemy support, only had a KDA ratio below 2 once, and what deaths I do have mostly occur in the lategame where I'm too aggressive when trying to make plays or even just initiate. If I do get behind, it's because I roam inefficiently and miss out on lane EXP. Wut do.
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well support has changed a lot since i mained it, but some general tips:
in solo queue you have to be able to lead people regardless of what role you play. if you are better than the people at your current rank, then you need to be able to consistently bring your teammates to your level so you can beat the enemy team together. solo carrying from any role is incredibly harder than it used to be.
ward and ward numbers are kind of like cs. you can see a guy lose with 500 cs and you can be like "wow he farmed so well, he must have been so strong blah blah blah" but in reality he did nothing but afk farm and not really pressure anything. wards are the same way in that each ward exists somewhere on a sliding scale of usefulness. for example, if a jungler clears his krugs and then someone wards that camp with a trinket ward, it's going to exist on the lower end of the usefulness scale. the jungler won't be in that area again until after the ward expires.
however, the common wards in tribush and lane bushes etc. are pretty much always useful in laning phase because they give you vision on people who are threatening, and also tell you when you aren't being threatened by said people. late game, when it comes to warding you want to try and look ahead. where do they want to be? where does your team want to be? what is the next objective in contention? and then you want to set up vision around that area.
placing wards is only one half of the vision game tho. it's also about denying vision, which requires smart trinket use and smart pink warding. like if you throw a pink at dragon and deny the vision, get the dragon, and then they come in after you leave and take the pink, that's still a good pink ward b/c it got the team an objective. you can also use upgraded trinket to clear out vision in a whole area, but it's still useful even if you don't find wards. if you sweep a contested area and find nothing around, then you've also found a path in which your team can maneuver into where ever you looked and set up a death bush
also, post laning phase you should basically never be alone as a support. if you can't get your team to listen to your calls and maneuvers, then you still have to stick by them. you should only be by yourself to ward an area, and even in that case you should still have someone following you as back up. try to use the fog of war to position near and ward a bush before you walk through it. moving cautiously through enemy territory with backup should allow you to get vision more safely more often.
re: initiation, communication is key. especially in lower elos(note: idk what rank you're in b/c PH has no lolking equivalent). you have to ping a ton and make sure that people know that you want to initiate, who you want to do it on, etc. you also have to be aware of the power spikes in the game(ex. corki/ezreal triforce completion, IE/PD on carries, etc.) and make sure to attempt to capitalize on your team's spikes while avoiding the enemies. i won a game like literally an hour ago b/c the enemy team got massively ahead and then just farmed out their power spike and became useless for the rest of the game.
i would give more direct advice but without a lolking type site, i can't creep on your account and see what you're doing exactly lol
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i've been on NA for almost 2 years now whoops
worst kaiden ph, btw
also thanks oniichan ily mwah
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Got to play mid for a change. Picked Veigar.
At some point my ult base damage was 1600 + 80% enemy AP, and the highest Mresist they had was 66 on Thresh. There was Ezreal, Shaco, Lux, Thresh and Twisted Fate.
... :-)
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the prophecy has been fufilled
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http://puu.sh/haB04/d610dbe67e.jpg raitaki approves of starting spellvamp on literally everyone on urf
it's gr8
especially if the other team doesn't have any stuns
at 3 items i was never below half health even while rocking 4k gold from all the mad ganks i was part of since the last time i recalled
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the prophecy has been fufilled
Well it's not like anyone expected much else. Although it is hilarious how literally the same thing is happening as last split.
Next TSM will win; Impact will beat Liquid and Liquid will be 4th.
Also Liquid were up 2-0 when I went to sleep. I still expected this.
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tbh i really hope liquid makes 3rd place b/c a team that is plagued by a "curse" is really boring
but it's already been too long so they're gonna get in their own heads and fuck up the loser's match probably
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tbh i really hope liquid makes 3rd place b/c a team that is plagued by a "curse" is really boring
but it's already been too long so they're gonna get in their own heads and fuck up the loser's match probably
Really? I think a 'cursed' team is fun. I take pleasure in the suffering of Curse fans and watching them always say this is the event. That said; I get the same twisted pleasure out of every time Doublelift's ego runs or CLG go on about a Golden Age or whatever the split's equivalent is.
Curse is more than TSM/C9 finals every split anyway. It's great fun waiting to see how Curse ends up 4th. Biggest dull note of the NALCS is how it's so predictable. You can literally not watch a single game and predict the top 4 and be right:
- CLG will always choke and fail to live up the the hype
- Curse is always 4th
- New promising team is 3rd [EG: LMQ. Impulse by default will be this]
- TSM/C9 final
Hell; this split even the matches and the outcomes have been the same. Curse 3-0 CLG; then face C9 and lose from 2-0 up then go 4th. Meanwhile TSM face the promising challenger; beat them; and go on to ace C9 while the challenger knocks Curse to 4th.
It's sad how accurate this is. Everything changes in rosters; but nothing changes at all in the playoffs.
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imb4 TIP beats TSM
Not too likely, but I don't really want to see tiss'm in the finals anymore.
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Like any other DOTA2 noob, I've come to learn that when I don't support, I love champions like Poppy and Veigar who are great at bursting something down. Small surprise I hate my only ADC, Sivir, since she seems more tailored towards DPS. I'll get Vel'koz at some point who looks to be a really fun burster too, but I lack an adc in case I ever need to adc. I want to pick up Kassadin at some point too, so I have at least one Assassin and Kass was fun when he was free week.
I was eyeing Ezreal for his unique AP/AD combo making me dream of Manamune and Spellblade masteries, but are there any ADCs who are pretty great at bursting?
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I was eyeing Ezreal for his unique AP/AD combo making me dream of Manamune and Spellblade masteries, but are there any ADCs who are pretty great at bursting?
Graves or Trist. Corki is some instants
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ADC bursts are more dependent on item builds tbh, since except for oddballs like Corki and Ezreal their skills don't contribute much dmg. Good items for bursty ADC are Infinity Edge, Trinity Force (don't get this as your first item except if you're Corki or Lucian), Last Whisper, and Youmuu's. Some ADCs that have better innate burst before items roll in are Twitch, Lucian, Tristana and Graves. Ez is good as long as you can aim, though in my experience you'd want to stick to either AP or AD since LoL itemization isn't very great for hybrid builds.
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Holy shit I'm retarded. 8D
EDIT: Posted Mafia stuff here, nearly posted LoL stuff in Mafia.
> in my experience you'd want to stick to either AP or AD since LoL itemization isn't very great for hybrid builds.
Someone advised me to go Manamune then Archangel's Staff on Ezreal, since AS gives Mana, which translates into more AD while giving a shield and more AP. Would you recommend something different then?
(FTR: That friend gave me the advice of Goddess's Tear->Trinity Force->Manamune->Archangel's/Armour item->MORE DAMAGE)
So either AD or AP, right? Does the Runeblade mastery (or w/e makes you do damage equal to x% of AP with attack) fit well with AP Ezreal, and just forget Manamune then? Or is AS+Manamune valid?
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Manamune is good on Ezreal because of the Blue Ezreal build, which consists of Ionian Boots of Lucidity/Iceborn Gauntlet/Muramana and other blue items that I completely forget right now.
The build is good for poking and kiting, but that's about it.
Archangel's Staff is great on AP Ezreal but horrible on AD Ezreal. Although AP Ezreal mostly wants bursty-poke so it would be lich bane, luden's echo and about as much AP as you can possibly muster (along with penetration so sorc's shoes, liandry's torment, void staff thoug not abyssal since the range of the aura is too low for the poke)
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Runeblade's not that good a mastery, it's mainly good for helping mages cs with autos. It has minimal impact on every build, so you shouldn't count on it. Same thing with the autoattack/spell mutual dmg boost masteries, masteries each have pretty small impact so you pick ones that fit your build/playstyle, not the other way around.
If you're building manamune then AS, you have to charge them both one by one, and with all likeliness you won't finish until late game. It's better to just build damage items normally; building mana items just to give manamune/AS more damage is never worth it (unless you're playing Ryze, since your skills scale with mana).
And yeah what Sacchi said, muramana isn't a good item for bursting, if you want to use it might as well go for a kite build and get IBGauntlet instead.
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best shockwave eu
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Holy christ this series is as close as yesterday's wtf
e: THE BAITS
e2: DON'T PULL A COAST PLS
e3:
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Oh yeah, don't forget.
Today's the last day of URF.
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RIP By Far
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my god that game
that series
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Hell; this split even the matches and the outcomes have been the same. Curse 3-0 CLG; then face C9 and lose from 2-0 up then go 4th. Meanwhile TSM face the promising challenger; beat them; and go on to ace C9 while the challenger knocks Curse to 4th.
It's sad how accurate this is. Everything changes in rosters; but nothing changes at all in the playoffs.
that's why it's boring. playoffs are supposed to be exciting, but with so many "curses" going around then the outcome becomes super predictable and that makes it boring.Graves or Trist. Corki is some instants
trist isn't really bursty. you have to auto 5 times for the E to explode and her R is on a moderate cooldown
Someone advised me to go Manamune then Archangel's Staff on Ezreal, since AS gives Mana, which translates into more AD while giving a shield and more AP. Would you recommend something different then?
(FTR: That friend gave me the advice of Goddess's Tear->Trinity Force->Manamune->Archangel's/Armour item->MORE DAMAGE)
i would advise no longer listening to this friend's league related advice lol
also that fifth match holy shit
lmao @ SK losing a series to a total of four bans. lmao @ for-"ban two champions"-given
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trist isn't really bursty. you have to auto 5 times for the E to explode and her R is on a moderate cooldown
Eh gross, new trist sounds like trash. What's the public opinion been like?
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As far as I've seen? Not horrible. Especially since they basically only changed one ability.
They didn't even kill AP Trist, just made her a bit harder to play.
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Eh gross, new trist sounds like trash. What's the public opinion been like?
she's better than she ever has been lol
her mid game actually exists now
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she's better than she ever has been lol
her mid game actually exists now
So she just linear scales now like the other adcs, basically.
Better for competitive play I guess.
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she's better than she ever has been lol
her mid game actually exists now
Really? From what I've seen, people seem to think she's garbage now. Didn't they gut her attack speed? She's still my go to ADC though.
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Runeblade's not that good a mastery, it's mainly good for helping mages cs with autos. It has minimal impact on every build, so you shouldn't count on it. Same thing with the autoattack/spell mutual dmg boost masteries, masteries each have pretty small impact so you pick ones that fit your build/playstyle, not the other way around.
Oh, really? When you say auto-attack/spell mutual dmg boost masteries, which ones do you mean? The ones providing piercing, or the low level mastery that's like, 2 more damage against minions lol
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So she just linear scales now like the other adcs, basically.
Better for competitive play I guess.
nnnnnnnnnno she still has a strong early game, a weak mid game, and a strong late game
it's just that her late game is slightly less strong and her mid game exists.
and wtf "linear scales"? are you even playing the same game as everyone else? ADC power spikes are more varied than they've ever been literally ever.
Really? From what I've seen, people seem to think she's garbage now. Didn't they gut her attack speed? She's still my go to ADC though.
you have to remember two things
a: people are really stupid
b: anything that isn't The Best is "garbage"
tristana is pretty decent in several areas but is somewhat outclassed in every area depending on why she's a considered pick. early game power? lucian, graves, caitlyn, etc. all outpower her. late game teamfights? caitlyn and jinx have better late games("BUT CAITLYN'S DPS IS LOWER" yeah but she can self peel forever and has super good range and doesn't require level 18 to poke turrets and position safely). tower pushing? caitlyn can potshot better, sooner. so can jinx, on top of switcheroo's insane aspd.
but on the other hand, tristana can do all of these things at once, just less good at one or two particular things and better and decent at everything. caitlyn does appear everywhere on the list, but caitlyn also has the disadvantage of pure dps whereas tristana does get some burst on her E popping and doesn't lose DPS by actually using spells in a fight. rn in competitive, tristana exists more as a pocket pick or a jack of all trades type champion. if you lose your preferred carry or strategy in pick/ban, you can easily pick tristana and fit her into any non-mid game focused team comp. tristana also has potential to become a contested pick imo, but the meta might need to shift a little bit for that to happen first since she can't buzzsaw through the current tank lines like jinx can
although a lot of this means that tristana is actually a really good solo queue pick now that i think about it.
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First three people to lock in: Cho'gath, Riven and LeBlanc.
"Need ADC", quoth the last player. OK, guess I'll Sivir.
He locks in Yasuo and takes all bot lane farm (and never pokes enemy support TEEMO). Then goes mid instead of Le Blanc, who goes bot... to take farm.
Then they complain my CS is too low.
Um, what.
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although a lot of this means that tristana is actually a really good solo queue pick now that i think about it.
I thought she was always a good pick. I like her as a late game carry with a decent amount of self peel.
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nnnnnnnnnno she still has a strong early game, a weak mid game, and a strong late game
it's just that her late game is slightly less strong and her mid game exists.
and wtf "linear scales"? are you even playing the same game as everyone else? ADC power spikes are more varied than they've ever been literally ever.
I haven't played this game in possibly well over a year now; I can't speak of the current balance. All I know is what Riot has told me for years in their patch note videos and that's "Bring X champ in line with others"
If they've managed to not go down that path too much, then good for them? Is variance good for the game or bad? I don't really know.
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Oh, really? When you say auto-attack/spell mutual dmg boost masteries, which ones do you mean? The ones providing piercing, or the low level mastery that's like, 2 more damage against minions lol
I meant Spell Weaving and Blade Weaving. Though personally I never use those because lol3%
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I haven't played this game in possibly well over a year now; I can't speak of the current balance.
then don't make a snooty post about the champion balance????????
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she's better than she ever has been lol
her mid game actually exists now
I actually disagree here. She's below her former prime right now [Otherwise we'd have JuggerTrist comps and now Juggermaw], but she's stronger than she has been at may times in her lifespan as well.
She is certainly not the strongest she has ever been, and her rework was on the weak side; which is why Riot have added extra mini-reset mechanics to her.
And while her midgame exists it's still bad. Caitlyn's midgame exists but is bad. Trist's midgame instead of being a 4v5 i pretty much Caitlyn tier now. And her lategame is undeniably worse than before. Except where tower demolition is concerned. But Jinx does that too. While being relevant the entire game [The difference is Tristana is like; 10 times safer than Jinx, but generally if you are running a hypercarry in this meta you protect them which makes Trist's self-peel less important in the whole package; especially as Jinx can combo her snare with someone else's C.C.].
Right now the only time I'd go Trist over Jinx is if I don't have a team of beefy tanks to defend me.
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I actually disagree here. She's below her former prime right now [Otherwise we'd have JuggerTrist comps and now Juggermaw],
"protect the - " comps have always been about kog'maw tho except in extenuating circumstances. kog'maw also works better in the juggermaw comp b/c he has natural peel and armor/mr shred while also dealing mixed damage. juggermaw works specifically because of traits specific to kog'maw, so i don't think we'd be seeing juggertrist comps even if she was The Best carry b/c her strengths simply lay elsewhere
She is certainly not the strongest she has ever been, and her rework was on the weak side; which is why Riot have added extra mini-reset mechanics to her.
imo the recent buffs to her have made her the strongest she's ever been. the biggest reason she isn't seeing a lot of play imo is because she doesn't deal well with the cinderhulk meta mid game whereas the other hypercarries have more relevant options mid game that help them deal with it.
And while her midgame exists it's still bad. Caitlyn's midgame exists but is bad. Trist's midgame instead of being a 4v5 i pretty much Caitlyn tier now.
yeah, but this is a huge improvement over all of how tristana used to be. before, if she didn't absolutely crush lane, you had to wait until 35+m for her to be relevant. now, even if she goes even in lane, she can still have an impact on fights.
And her lategame is undeniably worse than before.
i think people are really overblowing this. like, yeah, it is, but it's nowhere near as significant as people seem to think.
Except where tower demolition is concerned. But Jinx does that too. While being relevant the entire game [The difference is Tristana is like; 10 times safer than Jinx, but generally if you are running a hypercarry in this meta you protect them which makes Trist's self-peel less important in the whole package; especially as Jinx can combo her snare with someone else's C.C.].
yeah, but this opens up different picks. you can take a weaker hypercarry in exchange for that carry being able to escape on their own. and since that carry can escape on their own, that means teams have an option to maybe switch a pick that would normally be protection to something else, like a more aggressive pick or a direct lane counterpick and such.
Right now the only time I'd go Trist over Jinx is if I don't have a team of beefy tanks to defend me.
i would pretty much always pick trist in solo queue for this reason lol
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I get that normal team comp is ADC/Support bot, APC mid, AD/Tank top and another tank jungle, but is there any reason the bot can't be an APC?
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I personally have some issues with running APC on bot, mainly because of resource control
There's more pressure to harass the lane opponents, since there's usually two of them, but your mana isn't going to hold up at all, because either you build mana items and lose damage, or you recall frequently, losing lane presence, or you eat the ADC's CS for the sake of Doran's passive. It's basically only viable when the enemy is doing the very same, I believe.
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That feeling when your allied Sivir has a go at you for 'engageing randomly' when your E as Zac hit 2 and forced their ADC to flash and ended in a 5-1 teamfight win [Guess who died. Sivir. Because she tried to run through the enemy team with her R to try and catch up with Jinx; admittedly while I was also using R and scattering them about, but a Sivir cannot 1v1 a Jinx.]
._. No-one appreciates tanks.
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I personally have some issues with running APC on bot, mainly because of resource control
There's more pressure to harass the lane opponents, since there's usually two of them, but your mana isn't going to hold up at all, because either you build mana items and lose damage, or you recall frequently, losing lane presence, or you eat the ADC's CS for the sake of Doran's passive. It's basically only viable when the enemy is doing the very same, I believe.
I get that, but I mean going APC/Support bot, instead of ADC/Support. I'm more curious about why you cannot go Veigar bot with Lulu support, for example.
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I get that normal team comp is ADC/Support bot, APC mid, AD/Tank top and another tank jungle, but is there any reason the bot can't be an APC?
APCs often scale well with levels as well as items. You are getting reduced exp for being a duo lane. the closest you normally get are caster hybrid adcs (corki, ezreal, kog maw, urgot)
it's also rarely AD (well there's riven, but she got nerfed into oblivion if you aren't very skilled) top, beyond a token item on a tank.
mid is APC/assassin/caster adc . You care the most about getting lvl 6 asap. The safest lane, jungle can nearly always countergank mid
top is tank / bruiser (bruisers are often ap/ad hybrid, or even pure AP), The least safe lane, must be okay 1v2.
jungle tank/bruiser/assassin/ADC (yi, trynd, occasionally twitch), jungle viability is based on ability to clear it without running out of HP/mana, and what you can apply to the lanes either very early or at lvl 6.
bot support + carry/ or a kill lane.
A lot comes down to melee adcs being weak and ranged ones being a liability early game, it's either go bot lane duo, you take zed/riven/yasuo and pray they get fed, or you have no AD at all end game.
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Another key reason AP's tend to go mid is that they generally can clear waves very fast, and can use that combined with their burst and level advantage to roam and gank other lanes.
Also Riven isn't a melee carry in any way; shape or form. Riven falls off late. Melee carries are autoattackers and generally have a massive steroid and at least one strong 'Cheat Death' mechanic:
Yi - Highlander/Wuju Style [Steroid]; Alpha Strike/Meditate [Cheat Death]
Tryndamere: Passive/Bloodlust [Steroids]; Undying Rage [Cheat Death]
Fiora: Riposte/Burst of Speed [Steroids]; Blade Waltz [Cheat Death]
Aatrox: Blood Well/Blood Price/Massacre [Steroids]; Blood Well/Blood Thirst [Cheat Death]
Jax: Passive/Grandmaster's Might Passive [Steroids]; Counterstrike/Grandmaster's Might [Cheat Death]
Yasuo: Intent [Steroid]; Wind Wall/Resolve [Cheat Death]
Olaf: Passive/Vicious Strikes/Ragnarok [Steroids]; Ragnarok/Vicious Strikes [Cheat Death]
All of these champions rely almost entirely on autoattacks for their damage outputs, and have massive steroids and methords to cheat death [Olaf and Yasuo less so; but Yasuo can get 940 sheilding and block skillshots; while Olaf cheats death by becoming C.C immune and having a lifesteal steroid while also getting bonus AS and increased healing on low HP]
Technically Riven has a steroid and a [Very minor in Valor] way to cheat death; but she relies on her abilities, not her autoattacks. She is no more a melee carry than Zed is [Who has bonus AD and can 'cheat death' with Death Mark]
And generally if you want to cheese out an ADC lane you don't pick someone like Riven or Zed. They really need levels to start dumpstering people. What you do if you want to counter carries in the botlane and try to take them out of the game early is play someone like Jarvan paired with Leona, who can easily jump on the carry or the support from a long range; and C.C lock them while having good early damage and resilience to being poked down.
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re: AP bot, mana, levels, roam, etc. okay everyone listed why before i woke up
Also Riven isn't a melee carry in any way; shape or form. Riven falls off late.
you're right that riven isn't a melee carry, but she doesn't fall off late. well, not in a statistical sense at least. she has incredibly varying difficulty in her ability to do things based on who she's against, how fed she got, and what she decided to build. so against certain comps she might have an impossible late game, but against others she could be able to do basically whatever she wants
Jax: Passive/Grandmaster's Might Passive [Steroids]; Counterstrike/Grandmaster's Might [Cheat Death]
Yasuo: Intent [Steroid]; Wind Wall/Resolve [Cheat Death]
Olaf: Passive/Vicious Strikes/Ragnarok [Steroids]; Ragnarok/Vicious Strikes [Cheat Death]
none of these three are melee carries. jax and olaf are fighters, and yasuo is an AD caster(so technically a fighter)
Technically Riven has a steroid and a [Very minor in Valor] way to cheat death; but she relies on her abilities, not her autoattacks.
like... half of riven's damage comes from her passive. she is very, very reliant on auto attacks.
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none of these three are melee carries. jax and olaf are fighters, and yasuo is an AD caster(so technically a fighter)
Jax fits the definition of a carry. Weak earlygame. Strongest lategame. Reliant on auto-attacks. He's like the Corki/Ezreal of melee carries. He dosen't really build crit; he builds Triforce and BotRK, and does hybrid damage.
Olaf is not usually played as a carry but he can be to a frightening level of effect [Turns out getting free lifesteal; CC immunity and tons of free attackspeed can make you wreck people if you get ahead]. It's like Aatrox is usually played as a tank not a carry. They are both carries who can go bruiser or tank.
Yasuo is a melee carry. Yasuo's Q scales with 100% total AD and can crit; and even scales it's cooldown with attack speed so for all intents and purposes is an autoattack. Sweeping Blade dosen't even scale with AD; and Fiora having Blade Waltz doesn't make her an AD Caster; so Yasuo's R dosen't make him a AD caster. There's a huge difference between an AD caster like Talon; Zed and Riven who's abilities... are not autoattacks, and Yasuo. Not to mention Yasuo literally builds a full ADC's build normally.
And Riven falls off late because of a combination of her range [So plenty of time for her to get C.C'ed or blown up], and the fact that if she goes damage she is blown up; but if she goes durable enough to not get blown up, her damage is irrelevant.
Also Riven's passive is nowhere near 50% of her damage. Even at Lv 18 where it's dealing 50% AD it's still nowhere near because of base damages and the fact her ratios on every ability are above 50% [Even every cast of a maxed Broken Wings is 60% AD]. And it scales up to that 50% from a measly 20%. Riven's passive is a noticeable amount of her damage; but nowhere near as much as you make it out to be, especially in the earlygame.
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Jax fits the definition of a carry. Weak earlygame. Strongest lategame. Reliant on auto-attacks.
that's........ not what carry means anymore..............
carry is a really outdated term. it honestly doesn't even fit into league anymore b/c it's incredibly difficult for a single player to carry an entire team now. it's just used because it's been used for so long. at this point, "carry" no longer means "weak early game, strong late game", it means "builds almost exclusively damage items"
also "carry" never meant "reliant on auto attacks", otherwise we never would have had AP carries
I debated calling Irelia a carry but she actually falls off pretty hard lategame and is more a midgame character,
this is one of those statements where i seriously just stop and wonder if we're even playing the same game
Olaf is not usually played as a carry but he can be to a frightening level of effect [Turns out getting free lifesteal; CC immunity and tons of free attackspeed can make you wreck people if you get ahead]. It's like Aatrox is usually played as a tank not a carry. They are both carries who can go bruiser or tank.
and neither of them build pure damage because it sucks
Yasuo is a melee carry. Yasuo's Q scales with 100% total AD and can crit; and even scales it's cooldown with attack speed
yeah it's almost like he's an AD mage or something
so for all intents and purposes is an autoattack.
lay waste is basically an auto attack. karthus for melee carry
Sweeping Blade dosen't even scale with AD;
yeah it's almost like he's an AD mage or something
and Fiora having Blade Waltz doesn't make her an AD Caster; so Yasuo's R dosen't make him a AD caster.
except the difference here is that one of these people has 10+s cooldowns on their spells and the other has a 4s cooldown on theirs. gee i wonder if that 6 second difference makes it so the playstyle is drastically different.
There's a huge difference between an AD caster like Talon; Zed and Riven who's abilities... are not autoattacks, and Yasuo.
i agree, two assassins, a fighter, and a mage/assassin hybrid would be pretty different champions
Not to mention Yasuo literally builds a full ADC's build normally.
no he doesn't. he usually builds 3 damage items and 2 defensive items.
And Riven falls off late because of a combination of her range [So plenty of time for her to get C.C'ed or blown up], and the fact that if she goes damage she is blown up; but if she goes durable enough to not get blown up, her damage is irrelevant.
which is why she dominates some teams and struggles against others. this has nothing to do with her "falling off". her power spikes aren't consistent between games because she has to play incredibly differently for each team.
Also Riven's passive is nowhere near 50% of her damage. Even at Lv 18 where it's dealing 50% AD it's still nowhere near because of base damages and the fact her ratios on every ability are above 50% [Even every cast of a maxed Broken Wings is 60% AD]. And it scales up to that 50% from a measly 20%. Riven's passive is a noticeable amount of her damage; but nowhere near as much as you make it out to be, especially in the earlygame.
"i've never played riven in my life" -above post, 2015
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And Riven falls off late because of a combination of her range [So plenty of time for her to get C.C'ed or blown up], and the fact that if she goes damage she is blown up; but if she goes durable enough to not get blown up, her damage is irrelevant.
Also Riven's passive is nowhere near 50% of her damage. Even at Lv 18 where it's dealing 50% AD it's still nowhere near because of base damages and the fact her ratios on every ability are above 50% [Even every cast of a maxed Broken Wings is 60% AD]. And it scales up to that 50% from a measly 20%. Riven's passive is a noticeable amount of her damage; but nowhere near as much as you make it out to be, especially in the earlygame.
Okay, once in a while you say some pretty insightful stuff about the game, but some times you say some stuff that just makes me go "are we playing the same game?" The first half of your post, even though I don't really agree with you, I can see where you're coming from. But the last part about riven I can't let slide. Riven in no way falls off late game. You say it's because she's melee and builds only damage so she gets blown up, and it makes her fall off late. Well, Yi and Talon both also build pure damage and both get blown up by C.C., but they're both still pretty good late games.
And also, Riven's passive and autoattacks spit out a ton of damage. If you want to see for yourself, go test it out. Go into a co-op vs. AI game, and get to lvl 12 and get a hydra+LW, then go attack dragon or baron. First, do a full combo with autos in between abilities/hydra. Then let its health regen back to full and do it a second time around using only abilities. I'm pretty sure you'll see a big difference.
You know what, I know how much you love using numbers to support your opinion, so here: I've attached an excel file that shows you just how good Riven's autoattacks are. Basically, at typical lvl18 with Hydra, LW, and ghostblade, at least 61.41% of riven's total damage in a typical combo are from purely autoattacks. If you add on more bonus AD like a BT (or your ult), then the number increases to 69.10%.
One aspect that you're right on though, is that Riven's passive is less than 50% of her damage. It's actually 20.11% of her damage (with 3 AD items). That is a lot of damage output purely from a passive.
EDIT: Cleaned up the excel file a bit.
(http://i.imgur.com/dYTUtEN.png)
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you forgot the auto after using e
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Hydra passive shouldn't be included, it doesn't hit the primary target.
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Derp, I brain-farted on the hydra, thanks for pointing it out. I updated it, but not much changed. Basically, her damage is ~60-70% from auto attacks and ~15-25% from the passive.
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I wasn't saying riven or zed were carries, was more considering who the main viable AD threats were without a conventional adc. Who besides ranged adcs makes Galio every game a no go.
i.e. who can you shut down by just stacking armour.
Top lane is a whole lot of build 1/2 offensive items then go full tank bruisers.
in terms of true AP carries. the on hit trio (Kayle, lulu, teemo) are the ones that would have actual viability in the bot lane position.
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Thanks for the advice everyone! I pored over it a while, and though I still don't see why APC Bot is a terrible idea with a regular support helping you (so no ADC bot at all), but it's helpful to know why people go the way they do.
If anyone feels like partying up this weekend for IP boosts (the polearm needs his IP!!), feel free to invite me: Ramuhdo on NA. I went there because friends played there but predictably they don't want to play with sub-30. 8(
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Discriminating based on level is dumb as hell. If you're down to play, I'm TaizenChisou (NA)
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Discriminating based on level is dumb as hell. If you're down to play, I'm TaizenChisou (NA)
It makes sense. If you're low level, you're at a severe disadvantage because you lacking the stats given by tier 3 runes, and League does have a bit of a learning curve. It takes a while to learn everything, and you might not want to deal with the new player's mistakes.
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It makes sense. If you're low level, you're at a severe disadvantage because you lacking the stats given by tier 3 runes, and League does have a bit of a learning curve. It takes a while to learn everything, and you might not want to deal with the new player's mistakes.
Definitely, but they're still learning. I'm not about to blame a Lv. 10 friend for performing poorly. Guess I'm the only one in this boat (Mainly because I'm pretty new myself.)
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Definitely, but they're still learning. I'm not about to blame a Lv. 10 friend for performing poorly. Guess I'm the only one in this boat (Mainly because I'm pretty new myself.)
Yeah, that's precisely why. If I'm playing with a level 10. I'm not going to expect him to know anything. I don't really care, but sometimes people don't want to play games where they know they're going to have to do really well to pick up someone's slack.
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In addition, queueing up with people higher ranked than you will likely cause one or more of your opponents to be significantly more experienced than you're used to. Its possible to get a sub-30 to be landing against a silver or gold player depending on who else is in the game.
Some may argue that laning against such a better player will help you improve faster but it can also make for a very unfun experience.
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yeah whenever i've played with friends who are a sub-30 level, i've had to do it on a smurf b/c playing with them on my main drags them into matches with 5 gold/plat players
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In addition, queueing up with people higher ranked than you will likely cause one or more of your opponents to be significantly more experienced than you're used to. Its possible to get a sub-30 to be landing against a silver or gold player depending on who else is in the game.
This is the really big one. That said, if you're down, I'm down; I'll probably derp around on league a chunk this weekend. We can play some ARAMs or something (where your level really matters a lot less).
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This is the really big one. That said, if you're down, I'm down; I'll probably derp around on league a chunk this weekend. We can play some ARAMs or something (where your level really matters a lot less).
I'm always down to embarrass myself! (Though I snuck into a pre-made level 30 party and went 14/4/12 mid Veigar so I'm apparently not TOO terrible.)
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RIP Scarra. Again. (http://clgaming.net/news/659-clg-coaching-staff-changes)
Also how to fix CLG's constant issues: Change the coach. Again. I guess HSGG did always know what needed to be done. Again.
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clg's problems are entirely in the mindset of the players. none of them deal well with pressure(especially link, going on super tilt a full half season before anyone else). there was also apparently some other management issues with the team that resulted in them not getting a sports psychologist until very recently, but imo the lack there was their biggest problem
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the curse has been broken
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thank fuck
cursed teams are so boring
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> Shank Curse.
(So, who's making the next thread?)