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~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: Chaore on July 29, 2014, 05:03:44 AM

Title: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on July 29, 2014, 05:03:44 AM
First thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14669.0.html)
Second thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15058.0.html)
Third thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15370.0.html)
Fourth thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15728.0.html)
Fifth thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16090.0.html)
Sixth thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16209.0.html)
Seventh thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16326.0.html)
Eighth thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16604.0.html)
Ninth thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16767.0.html)
Tenth thread (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17002.0.html)



(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/MONS_1221.jpg)



Puzzle & Dragons is an ios/android puzzle RPG.  It plays like a cross between Bejeweled and Pok?mon.  It's completely free to play, but has premium features through purchasable "magic stones," the game's premium currency (which can also be obtained occasionally as rewards in-game), which allow increased inventory, pulls from a rare egg machine, and more.  If you're patient enough the game gives you enough stones through special events and rewards that you shouldn't need to buy any.  (It's recommended you don't because you are almost guaranteed to be super frustrated at getting screwed by bad rolls ;_;)

You can control monsters from lowly slimes to mighty dragons to even FUCKING BATMAN (above).  They all have different stats and skills, allowing you to customize your team for any number of purposes.

If you're interested, there's a really useful database of monsters and game info here: http://www.puzzledragonx.com/

A tip for new players: At the end of the tutorial the game will give you one free pull on the rare egg machine.  It's best to "scum" this pull and start over (by uninstalling and reinstalling) until you get something that's really rare, like a 5-star beastie or a god.  Great starters include any of the Chinese Gods, Ares, Bastet, Horus, Isis, Idunn & Idunna, Hermes, Archangel Lucifer, Odin, Loki, Persephone, Parvati, and many others.  Feel free to ask!

List of friends:

hyorinryu 357.646.299
Suikama 348.941.282
SuikamaEX 396.277.239
Soichiro 389,177,249
triangles 322.456.235
Nobu 389,151,231
Arashi 361, 443, 282
Chaore 344, 844, 286
Ghaleon 374, 256, 217
Labuto 362,441,209
omgkitties 301,354,227
Twillsky 320,059,211
O4rfish 389,956,257
Mode 384,458,286
Arcorann 326,368,215
Yukarin: 394.177.213
Jq1790: 396,049,294
Pesco: 328 276 294
MJP: 370,479,279
Dibble: 314,673,283
Soichiro 365,853,281
Matsuri 358,689,277
Fast Fanatic 359,184,275
Sacchi Hikaru 385,394,297
rdj 338,277,280
Chirei 326,404,383
En 351,629,319
commandercool 312,728,337
Aoshi 398,822,333
Bonkeror (Conqueror) 331,616,320
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on July 29, 2014, 05:12:27 AM
my god 11 threads

my god
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on July 29, 2014, 05:23:07 AM

To Matsuri:

True. I found out just how important that second was. I screwed up few matches. Kirinbros can go screw themselves. I hated them. Blew Echidna on them I think. Everything else I could take care of using a Verche miniburst.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on July 29, 2014, 05:34:34 AM
my god 11 threads

my god

we've hit our first landmark

11 more till the next
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Janitor Morgan on July 29, 2014, 05:35:09 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/n9G3hos.png)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on July 29, 2014, 05:36:18 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/n9G3hos.png)

KoL collab where

come on pad you collab with -everyone-
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on July 29, 2014, 05:51:01 AM
oh shit yeah make that happen

and the collab pulls would be like

the silver eggs would all be the main classes: Seal Clubber, Turtle Tamer, Pastamancer, Sauceror, Disco Bandit, Accordion Thief (evolved forms have full class gear)
the gold eggs would be the gods: Boris, Jarlsberg, and Sneaky Pete

and the dungeon drops would be like, bosses and shit

(special invade for The Guy Made of Bees)
(also ultra rare invades too)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Aoshi-shi on July 29, 2014, 06:15:52 AM
Could you add me to the list too? Thanks. (398,822,333)

I pulled a Light Metatron from the last Godfest, so if anyone needs her, go right ahead
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on July 29, 2014, 06:22:49 AM
oh shit yeah make that happen

and the collab pulls would be like

the silver eggs would all be the main classes: Seal Clubber, Turtle Tamer, Pastamancer, Sauceror, Disco Bandit, Accordion Thief (evolved forms have full class gear)
the gold eggs would be the gods: Boris, Jarlsberg, and Sneaky Pete

and the dungeon drops would be like, bosses and shit

(special invade for The Guy Made of Bees)
(also ultra rare invades too)

would play
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on July 29, 2014, 11:04:13 AM
I pulled a Light Metatron from the last Godfest,

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang

sending you an invite right now, LMeta is hella useful
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on July 29, 2014, 05:59:10 PM
So, PADW was released on the Jap servers today. No seeing anyone here discussing it so not sure if anyone cares. :V

Basically it's like a candy crush mode where there no team customization or whatever. Gameplay is still the same but you get a 6x6 board with a bit more time to make combos. Enemies don't attack but you must complete a level within a certain number of turns.
You get to dress up a Tamadora with hat/body/weapon, and they each have some passive effects like making certain "skill drops" drop more often by various degrees.

You don't get to use skills whenever you want, but "skill drops" randomly drops sometimes and you can use it or leave it on the screen for when the time is right. What you get is random but you can increase the chances of getting certain skills by equiping the corresponding equip.

Each dungeon has 3 levels where there are various conditions which you must fulfill to damage the enemy (e.g. must make 3 combos, must link 8 fire orbs together, etc) and the kind of colour orbs that can appear can vary as well, and you get a reward for completing one dungeon, it can either be medals (currency for Gacha) or STONE.
I've only played up to stage 24 right now and I've got stones from stage 1,7,12,16,20,24, so I think it's safe to say you get one every 4 dungeons.

Stones are only used for stamina recovery and continues so most people are seeing this mode as something for getting stones so they can roll in godfes back on the main game.
But it is quite fun and is a good time waster for when you just spent your day's worth of stamina on metal dragons. 
Dungeons start off easy but I'm sure it's going to get really tough as it goes on.

Speaking of stamina, the stamina bar on W works like candy crush and is counted by hearts. You regain a heart every 15 minutes, and the three levels in one dungeon takes 1,2 and 3 hearts respectively, and you get a full stamina recovery for completing a dungeon. So as long as you don't fail, you have infinite stamina and you can never stop playing :V (unless you go over to special dungeons and play the medal dungeon.)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on July 29, 2014, 06:05:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/oXJmWyc.jpg)

so

cute
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on July 29, 2014, 06:05:34 PM
I care about PADW, but it's not like NA will be getting it anytime soon. Good to know you can get some stones out of it though.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on July 29, 2014, 07:15:38 PM
Man, batdragon REM, I really would like a d/l or d/b batman...

Hint hint...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on July 29, 2014, 08:59:47 PM
Sounds like someone's gonna roll another Catwoman :V

Also what's a good team for Watasumi Legend I'm thinking of just rolling in with B/L Isis so all the orb change shenanigans aren't too much of a problem.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on July 29, 2014, 09:14:59 PM
Sounds like someone's gonna roll another Catwoman :V

I've rolled one catwoman and two batmens so far.  No skillups!
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on July 29, 2014, 09:47:25 PM
yo hold the phone

version seven has HQ orbs!!!!
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Conqueror on July 29, 2014, 10:34:48 PM
Stones are only used for stamina recovery and continues so most people are seeing this mode as something for getting stones so they can roll in godfes back on the main game.

So you link your accounts for the two games?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on July 29, 2014, 11:00:26 PM
So close to getting +297 on Kirin, yet so far. I wish I could extract +eggs from things.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on July 29, 2014, 11:05:03 PM
So close to getting +297 on Kirin, yet so far. I wish I could extract +eggs from things.
Thanks to my playing of Metal Gear Rising, I now imagined Raiden Zandatsu-ing a monster to steal its plus.  NOW I have an entire card evo line planned out fpr him.  Great.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on July 29, 2014, 11:19:33 PM
fuck yes Wadasumi Mythical 0 stoned get rekt Isis is the best leader in the game
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on July 30, 2014, 12:18:35 AM
Would somebody with a decent green Odin mind temporarily friending my roommate so he can get a Keeper of Rainbow? His ID is 360,327,364. He has an Odin friend but I'm not confident in his ability to clear the goon waves before the Keepers with the horrendous crap he has for monsters right now and still have enough recovery to heal up against Rainbow.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on July 30, 2014, 12:20:40 AM
I have an Ult Odin (fully awakened) up. Have your friend friend me.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on July 30, 2014, 12:35:50 AM
Had him send one. His name is Post and his leader is probably Batman.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on July 30, 2014, 12:39:29 AM
Yeah, saw him. Added.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on July 30, 2014, 01:25:33 AM
Alright, that worked perfectly. Thank you.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on July 30, 2014, 06:33:33 AM
So, PADW was released on the Jap servers today. No seeing anyone here discussing it so not sure if anyone cares. :V

HK/TW doesn't get PADW right now so I am sad.

Especially because the JPN players get the King Devitama gift too =/
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on July 30, 2014, 07:20:19 AM
4 roll, 3 robins and a cat woman.

Sigh, I gave PAD's gacha too much credit. This was like the original run too.

I'd almost whale except that is beyond foolish. Guess I'm waiting for the -third- rerun...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on July 30, 2014, 07:39:12 AM
<ArashiKurobara> okay let's see how many pal pulls I have
<ArashiKurobara> 34
<ArashiKurobara> ... I JUST SPENT LIKE ALL DAY FARMING RAINBOW KEEPERS YOU FUCK
<ArashiKurobara> also I still have zero use for blue mask
<ArashiKurobara> HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH SECOND DEVILIT
<ArashiKurobara> AND A NEW TRIFRUIT
<ArashiKurobara> yellow
<ArashiKurobara> okay I guess techincally green
<ArashiKurobara> but the art is yellow >=|
<ArashiKurobara> and a babby tama
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on July 30, 2014, 07:51:34 AM
(Warning: long post)

Okay it's that time of the month again. 8800 pal-point pull. I thought I had five mails, but I guess I miscounted or a mail with 1k pal points vanished into the ether somehow.

(http://i.imgur.com/TmX6DCz.jpg)

Oh sweet, a mermaid and another succubus! The blue dragon fruit is also great I guess. Though I don't see anything else that's goo-

(http://i.imgur.com/VRGC1DT.png)

Hold on...

(http://i.imgur.com/e8NPuhp.png)

Is that a... no way.

(http://i.imgur.com/iACd3Db.png)

HOLY FUCK THE SECOND ANGELIT HOW MANY MONTHS AND PAL EVO EVENTS HAS IT BEEN AAAAAAAAAAAAA

(http://i.imgur.com/F0yaBQj.png)

AAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on July 30, 2014, 11:51:12 AM
Got a Tama, a babby tama, and a second gold keeper! Ult Siegfried, here I come ~
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on July 30, 2014, 12:34:57 PM
I only had five pulls given that I used most of my points up fishing for king dragons after I decided that capping all of my guys is more immediately useful.

(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/dummy2205/unnamed.png)

Well sheeee-it. :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on July 30, 2014, 01:10:42 PM
(Warning: long post)

Okay it's that time of the month again. 8800 pal-point pull. I thought I had five mails, but I guess I miscounted or a mail with 1k pal points vanished into the ether somehow.

(http://i.imgur.com/TmX6DCz.jpg)

Oh sweet, a mermaid and another succubus! The blue dragon fruit is also great I guess. Though I don't see anything else that's goo-

(http://i.imgur.com/VRGC1DT.png)

Hold on...

(http://i.imgur.com/e8NPuhp.png)

Is that a... no way.

(http://i.imgur.com/iACd3Db.png)

HOLY FUCK THE SECOND ANGELIT HOW MANY MONTHS AND PAL EVO EVENTS HAS IT BEEN AAAAAAAAAAAAA

(http://i.imgur.com/F0yaBQj.png)

AAAAAAAAAAAA

G/L Alraune? I don't think I've seen anyone use her ever.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on July 30, 2014, 01:12:23 PM
I'be just been bursting my pulls on Kings, capping my stuff is more important right now especially since I have no use for trifruits/twinlits and I already have a Golden Keeper so...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on July 30, 2014, 01:31:07 PM
For the last few daya I've been running a lot of team challenges on technical dungeons. Because of the technical dungeon event running right now, that means I have a TON of plus eggs. So many that I don't have enough money to feed them. And my rate of gaining them is continuing to way outpace my income. What should I do? Just wait until Weekend Dungeon, or is there another way to get a ton of gold?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on July 30, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
That, plus make sure you lump your plus eggs on some baby goblin or carbuncle first - I load them up until +10 then shove it down my main monster's throat since it's muchmuch cheaper than feeding each + individually.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on July 30, 2014, 01:45:04 PM
G/L Alraune? I don't think I've seen anyone use her ever.

Was wanting her because King Woodsie Balanced burst, and 1000 Autoheal and 50% Bind Resist, along with matching Leilan colors is very welcome. There's also the slight issue sometimes with Archangel poking things when I match blue and making my stall target tip over, causing me to get rekt.

I could have hung onto the angelits for Zeus Olympios, but if everything goes to plan, my twinlit farming team should be up by this friday, so I can just take it easy and let the tamas roll in etc.

Also I just like Alraune ok  :ohdear:

EDIT:
For the last few daya I've been running a lot of team challenges on technical dungeons. Because of the technical dungeon event running right now, that means I have a TON of plus eggs. So many that I don't have enough money to feed them. And my rate of gaining them is continuing to way outpace my income. What should I do? Just wait until Weekend Dungeon, or is there another way to get a ton of gold?

Sky Tower/Ocean of Heaven are pretty good on the last levels, whichever one is easier for you right now. Since the weekend only affects drop rate, it shouldn't affect the amount of money you get (I think 30k gold average per run?). You'll probably get *even more* plus eggs inevitably doing this, but I always found the income generated to outpace the rate of plus egg acquisition.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on July 30, 2014, 02:19:42 PM
That, plus make sure you lump your plus eggs on some baby goblin or carbuncle first - I load them up until +10 then shove it down my main monster's throat since it's muchmuch cheaper than feeding each + individually.

Oh wow, really? It works that way? I did not know that. Okay, that helps a lot. Thanks.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on July 30, 2014, 03:02:00 PM
wow worst godfest ever
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on July 30, 2014, 03:04:38 PM
It doesn't help that I already have 4 of these gods and only am remotely interested in two of the remaining ones.

I'll just pull once on the off chance I get one of the Special Gods, otherwise there's no gain in doing so.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on July 30, 2014, 04:14:59 PM
Only one I really want is Ceres. Not worth pulling.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on July 30, 2014, 04:48:41 PM
I'll just pull once on the off chance I get one of the Special Gods, otherwise there's no gain in doing so.

Yeah this is basically my plan since I don't have any particular interest in much of any of the normal gods at the moment, these cycles or otherwise.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on July 30, 2014, 04:59:01 PM
I probably have a few stones to spare, should I try for this? Literally the only REM things I have are blue Valkyrie and white Valkyrie. Would this be worth my time?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on July 30, 2014, 05:06:14 PM
All of the new greco-roman are good and I'd like, and I wouldn't mind minerva or venus...

Except batrem ate my stones :v

Oh well.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on July 30, 2014, 05:19:23 PM
I'd definitely roll.   It's always good to be able to make more than one type of team, and regardless of what people may say mono colors teams are still pretty rad - I beat Hera-Ur and Takeminakata with mono-red, and used my ult Ares to lead a dark-team to snag Goemon.  The Roman gods are a little more situational though Venus and Ceres do have healer ults.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on July 30, 2014, 05:22:45 PM
Yeah, I would love to have a Ceres. Venus seems terrible on my team, but I've never used something like her so maybe she'd be great. I would like to get a viable leader for a second kind of team, which of the ones in that godfest can do that? Ares and who else?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on July 30, 2014, 05:27:23 PM
Artemis and Hermes are the green/blue equivalents.  Persephone doesn't have the same multipliers but still is good, Apollo as the light god means have fun without a lot of REM and specific puzzlemons on hand.  And of course there's the godfest chance for Red Sonia. 
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on July 30, 2014, 05:52:49 PM
Oh right, Venus has a dark uvo huh.

I could put her as my Change the World sub in the Horus team, beats having to wait for another japanese godfest.

So that's three gods that would be useful for me, unfortunately that still makes it 7 that would not be :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on July 30, 2014, 06:33:43 PM
Want Venus/Ceres/maybe Minerva but eeeeeeeh the Greco Gods

Will probably pull once at least
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on July 30, 2014, 07:43:14 PM
Welp, that's all for what my Sonia team can do now!  Beat Junos Island, tried first stage of Starlight and got rolled over by MVD.

Yay.  Guess further progress needs either better subs or a different team.  I mean, I know I can just Alraune/Odin my way through everything probably, but MAN is thst gonna suck.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Pesco on July 30, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
I'd definitely roll.   It's always good to be able to make more than one type of team, and regardless of what people may say mono colors teams are still pretty rad - I beat Hera-Ur and Takeminakata with mono-red, and used my ult Ares to lead a dark-team to snag Goemon.  The Roman gods are a little more situational though Venus and Ceres do have healer ults.

What team comp did you run to beat Hera-Ur? I feel like I have the mons, just lacking some plus eggs.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on July 30, 2014, 10:39:25 PM
Hera-Ur legend is probably one of the easier descends, so a lot of stuff works.  What do you have available?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on July 30, 2014, 10:44:35 PM
Not too fond of this godfest. Greek 2.0 are fine. But the 1.0s aren't interesting except for maybe Venus, and even then, I already have tiny.

Also, Gungho, why put Super Golds at 2am in the morning. I don't understand. Wouldn't be so bad if the other one today was also gold and not metals.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on July 30, 2014, 11:10:19 PM
So, I missed the timing on Super Metal Dragons and I was waiting for Super Gold Dragons. I was 1 run from whatever to rank up, so I wasn't playing.

Hours later, I forget that and play anyway, getting the rank up in the proccess :colonveeplusalpha:

Well, I got 12 stones, might as well use one or two for this.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on July 30, 2014, 11:12:50 PM
What team comp did you run to beat Hera-Ur? I feel like I have the mons, just lacking some plus eggs.

I wish I remember exactly, I suspect it was Echidna and Gigas or Phoenix Knight/Goemon/Horus.  I remember being too conservative when Ares got bound by Minerva and blew a stone that I really didn't have to if I had used one of my orb changers or enhances to nuke her.  But otherwise it's not a terribly hard descend just have to be careful to keep up the healing.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on July 30, 2014, 11:30:24 PM
Triangles, you've inspired me there.  Do you all think this team would work for Hera-Ur?

Evo'd Strawberry Dragon(max awoken)
RSonia(max awoken)
Fully(not ult) evo'd Echidna
Phoenix Knight
Gigas
(insert AngleAres here)

Not sure if I'd need to evolve the not fully evolved stuff for stats, but is the general comp at least sound?  Anything I'm likely to run into trouble on?  Should I maybe sub Awoken Hera in someplace for trying to nuke her sister down?

EDIT:  Recovery is looking to be an issue, but beyond that, the team's looking pretty tanky just from pumping it into the team simulator.  A bit over 50k HP for starters.  Hoping the Rcv wouldn't be my death, that'd suck.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on July 30, 2014, 11:55:34 PM
Well, you do have Strawberry Dragon and Echidna for Emergencies with that team, so I don't think it's -that- bad.

Still, 50k HP is pretty solid, though do watch out because Minerva will bind your Ronia and your Ares for 10 turns.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Pesco on July 31, 2014, 12:50:30 AM
Hera-Ur legend is probably one of the easier descends, so a lot of stuff works.  What do you have available?

Ares, ROdin, Ronia x2, Echidna, Homura, Amenouzume, MVD, Mitsuki
Hermes, Kamui, U&Y, Gabriel, Siren, Kitty I&I
Guan Yu, Ignis Cu Chulainn
Pandora, D/D Batman, Vamp duke, CDD, CDK, DA Luci, Lilith
Amaterasu, Archangel
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Janitor Morgan on July 31, 2014, 04:43:11 AM
Hey rdj, it might do you some good to remember that your healer team leader isn't Valk anymore.

It might also do some good to remember that your healer team leader conflicts with King Shynee. And doesn't even boost everybody on the team.

(http://i.imgur.com/RHaM5Dql.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/RHaM5Dq.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/9bmNcdgl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/9bmNcdg.jpg)

Why am I so bad at this game.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on July 31, 2014, 07:23:41 AM
Heeeeey I got a Blue Mask for the eventual Gabriel I'mma gonna ult.

Mask dungeon with Godin+Ammy is suffering.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on July 31, 2014, 02:40:05 PM
I pulled a Fairlio from the REM during GodFest.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on July 31, 2014, 02:48:27 PM
>Blue Chaser from pal machine

Come the f on game where are my 50 red chasers for lei skillups ;;
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Zerviscos on July 31, 2014, 03:44:22 PM
4 Angelits out of the PAL Machine. SCORREE!
Now if only there was a card I'm gonna use it for.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on July 31, 2014, 04:14:25 PM
I pulled a Fairlio from the REM during GodFest.

Oh well.

At least you pulled the best toy dragon.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on July 31, 2014, 05:34:01 PM
Is there some weird property of the dragon at the end of the last stage of Jupiter, City In The Sky, either in some kind of effect or some property of the HP/defense numbers it has, that makes one-shotting it difficult or impossible? Literally the last five times I ran that stage it ended up with an invisible sliver of health left after I bursted it, and in a lot of different scenarios. The first few times it seemed fair, but now it's getting weird. Probably just a bizarre coincidence, but it keeps coming up.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on July 31, 2014, 05:43:17 PM
No, he does have a lot of defense though and if you're using the same team with similar friends you're putting out similar damage so that does seem logical.  Do you have a damage reduction monster, or can throw in a Rainbow Keeper or something with the HPs so you can live through one hit and get him the 2nd turn?

EDIT: Another thing is try pairing with DQXQ, she'll still get the healer type bonus from Valk but that extra multiplier will push it over the edge and she's easy to activate on the vast majority of boards.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on July 31, 2014, 07:18:30 PM
Another thursday, another bunch of not-red dragon fruits.

SERIOUSLY YOU COULD AT LEAST GIVE ME ONE

I HAVE TWO RONIAS TO MAX NOW :|
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on July 31, 2014, 07:27:25 PM
1/3 chance basically equals 0% in pad math
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on July 31, 2014, 07:32:30 PM
I think anything below 50% is 0% in pad math to be honest. And anything higher is 100%.

I literally never dropped important stuff from daily dungeons outside of x2 events (Rainbow Keeper, Mystic Mask etc), I literally never NOT dropped during those events.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on July 31, 2014, 07:52:07 PM
I'm pretty sure daily dungeon drop rates are actually 100% during events :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on July 31, 2014, 08:26:22 PM
Wasn't it supposed to be 80% or something?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Janitor Morgan on July 31, 2014, 08:27:26 PM
80% for Keeper of Rainbow, 100% for all of the other floors in all the other daily dungeons.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on July 31, 2014, 10:11:35 PM
No, he does have a lot of defense though and if you're using the same team with similar friends you're putting out similar damage so that does seem logical.  Do you have a damage reduction monster, or can throw in a Rainbow Keeper or something with the HPs so you can live through one hit and get him the 2nd turn?

EDIT: Another thing is try pairing with DQXQ, she'll still get the healer type bonus from Valk but that extra multiplier will push it over the edge and she's easy to activate on the vast majority of boards.

The combos haven't been very similar, but I guess the differences in my friends have been perfectly matching them to produce the same results every time. Weird.

I forgot that DQXQ works with pink orbs. I was thinking they were like Sakuya. Regardless, tomorrow I'll probably ultiveo my white Valkyrie so with a few more team points I can start using it as a sub for an alternate version of my team for use with DQXQ and Sakuya. Or if I manage to score a Ceres today she'll fill that role instead.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on July 31, 2014, 10:30:21 PM
i dont think ive ever had the rainbow keeper not drop for me during events

but i guess that's cause
1/3 chance basically equals 0% in pad math
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on July 31, 2014, 11:00:38 PM
I've never had a Rainbow Keeper not drop for my at all. I'm probably like 5/5 during events and 3/3 outside of them, or something like that.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on July 31, 2014, 11:05:22 PM
Guess I must be the exception. I've had both Rainbow Keepers and master-level descending dragons not drop for me even with the 2x drop bonus.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 01, 2014, 02:09:04 AM
OK, so I'm a scrub and I really need some Dubs to evolve some of my mons and improve.

Unfortunately Friday Dungeon Expert's final fight ended up tearing me a new one, I theoretically should be able to survive a synced attack from the fight with Grodin, dunno why it did more damage than I thought, unless of course PADX is wrong :T

Does anyone have any tips for a low-rank scrub like me? I have access to Lilith's Poison, some Guard Breaks, and I can probably figure out a way to make a zombie team if I have to resort to that.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 01, 2014, 02:18:24 AM
What kind of team do you normally run?  Also do you own the Grodin or is it a friend's lead?  I could put up a Y/B Archangel for you if you need it for resolve/grodin team.

Edit: NM I just saw you're on the jp server
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Conqueror on August 01, 2014, 02:21:35 AM
Did you get hit twice in one round? That could be it.

Anyway, zombie team is the easiest way to do it if you're limited in options. I usually bring lilith onto my zombie teams as a failsafe.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 01, 2014, 02:23:02 AM
What kind of team do you normally run?  Also do you own the Grodin or is it a friend's lead?  I could put up a Y/B Archangel for you if you need it for resolve/grodin team.

autoheal with Archangel lead. Grodin's a friend's leader.

Did you get hit twice in one round? That could be it.

Anyway, zombie team is the easiest way to do it if you're limited in options. I usually bring lilith onto my zombie teams as a failsafe.

Oh... Maybe.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 01, 2014, 02:27:05 AM
GOdin will only work when your HP is full, so if two enemies attack at the same turn (or one opponent uses a multi-hit attack) the 80% reduction will only be applied to the first hit, which is a large reason of why Amaterasu + Odin doesn't really work to deal with descendeds nowadays since most Ultimate Fuckoff Attacks are multi-hit.

Same deal with zombie teams, really - synced enemies tend to destroy them.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 01, 2014, 02:29:29 AM
So for the meantime, I'll just pray for evo-mats I want to come out of the PEM then? :V

My options are pretty limited (see my padherder linked in my sig)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 01, 2014, 02:33:19 AM
Seriously, four blue dragon fruits in a row?  What is this?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 01, 2014, 02:38:40 AM
So for the meantime, I'll just pray for evo-mats I want to come out of the PEM then? :V

My options are pretty limited (see my padherder linked in my sig)

Not as limited as you might think, grab the lowest level ogre that you can get your hands on (Fire, Water or Green - doesn't matter) then make a team out of evo mats of that color, preferably lits (not dublits, just normal lits) and get yourself an autohealer friend of any color, just make sure their autoheal is enough to heal you back to full when you combine your team's health + your friend helper's health.

It's exactly what I did before my monored just decided to be suddenly able to deal with Friday and Wednesday Dungeons no problem.

You'll need to learn to store orbs though, like, if your team is primarily fire-based (it's EXTREMELY recommended that you have a monocolor team for this, with maybe either your leader or your friend leader being off-color) you'll want to "store" as many fire orbs as possible when you know you're in a safe position (only one enemy left) so you can immediately take care of any threats in the next floor, it's boring but practical.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 01, 2014, 02:41:30 AM
Not as limited as you might think, grab the lowest level ogre that you can get your hands on (Fire, Water or Green - doesn't matter) then make a team out of evo mats of that color, preferably lits (not dublits, just normal lits) and get yourself an autohealer friend of any color, just make sure their autoheal is enough to heal you back to full when you combine your team's health + your friend helper's health.

Yeah, I know how Resolve team works; I have a Samurai Ogre and an Ice Ogre so far for these purposes, and I am UEvo'ing them in the near future anyway for the active skills.
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Post by: Suikama on August 01, 2014, 02:45:25 AM
So for the meantime, I'll just pray for evo-mats I want to come out of the PEM then? :V

My options are pretty limited (see my padherder linked in my sig)
the keys to low level clearing masks/dublits is knowing when to stall, when to poison, and targeting synced strong monsters and bursting them down

team comp should be as many poisons as you can, other subs should have high HP/RCV and try to go as mono color as you can (ie skip as many colors as you can). don't bother with armor reduction unless you're playing burst.

the first floor is always super weak, so use that to stall by matching off color orbs and hearts (this is where not having certain colors comes into play)

mid floors will have a mix of weak and strong enemies. kill off small stuff with matches and focus down stronger enemies that are synced (target an enemy by tapping on them). when there is only one big guy left, use that time to stall for abilities.

sometimes you might get 4 big ones. don't panic and target the enemies that are synced. if none are synced, target the enemy that will attack SECOND. the reason for this is you are allowed a free hit.

floor 4 always has three elemental big masks/dublits. again target synced ones and kill them asap. if you happen to get unlucky and get like two dublits synced with 1 turn, pop poison. do NOT do this for masks though.

floor 5 if you've saved your poison, use it and bam you win. If you had to use poison on floor 4 then standard target synced etc. for masks though, the mystic mask will attack EVERY turn and fuck up your day, so you really want poison for it.

when trying to kill synced enemies, always prioritize matching orbs that you have more attackers for. for instance if your team has 4 light, 1 fire, and 2 dark elements (sub elements count), then go for the light and dark and if you fuck up the fire one then it's okay. DONT just match orbs willy nilly because you might just match orbs you dont even have and waste turns.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 01, 2014, 03:14:59 AM
Also -- godfest is up, though not many people have shown enthusiasm for this one.

Personally I did my plan of only rolling once and got a Mystic Light Knight, at least I got the skillup for the one I already had, not like it really matters though.

Eh, crappy godfest, will save my stones for my inevitable fuckups on Hera and Goddess Descended and possibly the next Godfest.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 01, 2014, 03:16:13 AM
Committed way too hard to the godfest and got Beast Rider and Apollo. As far as I can tell these are both totally worthless to me. Did I mis-evaluate them?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 01, 2014, 03:44:45 AM
Apollo is kind of amazing for light teams. Maybe not so much as a leader but a totally ace sub.

Beast Rider is okay but all of the riders are best suited for attacker teams. If anything though, they have useful orb changing abilities. If anything, it may be useful as an orb changer on your Blue Valk team.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 01, 2014, 04:16:29 AM
Did three pulls.

Raph, Ivory Dragon, and Lemon Dragon.

I don't have any of them so it's alright I guess???
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 01, 2014, 04:33:58 AM
Heeey I got Apollo and Raphy and Venus and Artemis and Persephone and everything I could ever want.

Nah I'm kidding I only got a Lilith.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 01, 2014, 04:35:16 AM
How viable are Fruit Dragon teams? I can't see how they would work at my point in the game, but Strawberry and Grape are the closest things I have to leaders for a second team next to Vampire, and I don't want another Valkyrie team. I have a lot of cool fire subs, so it's be nice if I could throw something together. Or just hang onto them until I do come across something I guess.

Actually maybe now if I get these guys leveled and can find another Echidna in time I can have a chance next time Tengu or Gaia rolls around. I really want both of them and had no team that could go in to their dungeons before.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 01, 2014, 05:04:28 AM
Grape Dragon lets you pretend you have a Lucifer and you can probably tackle Hera Descends by throwing a Siren and some keeper of rainbows together.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Conqueror on August 01, 2014, 07:33:19 AM
Accidentally got wrecked on the first level of Heroes descended because no heal orbs. Whoops.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 01, 2014, 09:44:16 AM
So I tried the GodFest REM pull again (https://twitter.com/trancehime/status/495065315047272448/photo/1).

I also tried Friday Dungeon again but I did even worse this time, I guess I have to practice stalling a little bit because the wrong color orbs kept on spawning =|

That's why I'm playing two other PAD clones during downtime

EDIT: Succeeded in winning that stage!!
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Post by: triangles on August 01, 2014, 12:29:30 PM
 :toot: :toot:

My yoloroll was Melon Dragon, at least she's a cutie?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 01, 2014, 12:30:08 PM
So I see Two Heroes is up, and I can probably do it with what I have. Doesn't seem too complicated. Anyone got any advice beyond the normal stuff? The only place I can really see having trouble is the second floor if a few masks are synced on low turns as usual, but I'm not too worried.

Unfortunately I don't really want either of the big drops. Just more worse Valkyries, and I already have access to some of those. Does a 0/9/0 Balanced, Physical, or Dark team really play that differently from a 0/9/0 Healer team? Maybe if it actually does feel very different I'll try anyway, but what I really want is a second team with a completely different playstyle.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 01, 2014, 12:34:09 PM
You want them primarily for the orb changing ability IIRC, you don't see them as player leaders too often but I do use my Highlander in my green team (who I had well before I had the team!)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 01, 2014, 12:46:48 PM
I'll just keep my fingers crossed for Chulainn then. With him I'll have every color of orb changer, and Berserk really doesn't seem to offer much in that capacity as a sub that blue Valkyrie doesn't.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 01, 2014, 01:01:19 PM
Just more worse Valkyries


You make some of the most baffling negative  assumptions, you know that?

They're not "worse Valkyries". In fact, they're arguably better if not only because they get 3.5x ults.

That, and they don't fall to a stiff breeze like healers do :v

Siegfried and Cu Chulainn might not look as attractive but you'll find that teams led by them will be strong and resilient. That and especially Sieg gets a TON of HP, and as a leader of a physical team you'll have a lot of that. The only real weakness a physical team has is low RCV and that's easily remedied by throwing in a god or something (hint: you have Apollo and he gets a physical ult and his stats are solid)

Quote
Does a 0/9/0 Balanced, Physical, or Dark team really play that differently from a 0/9/0 Healer team? Maybe if it actually does feel very different I'll try anyway, but what I really want is a second team with a completely different playstyle.

Yes and no. The main idea is the same, but you will find that physical teams are bulky as hell and that's a lot of fun. (Physical also means you can use King Bubblie too, who is a great burst utility for a phys team AND he gets two skill boosts). Balanced teams mean you have a huge variety of options to choose from, where healer teams are generally very limited. They're versatile!

All of that said, if you want an entirely different play style, you'll probably have to look toward burst gods that revolve around orb matching (Chinese gods, Isis, DQXQ, etc) or combo counting (Bastet, Okuninushi, Anubis, etc) or HP conditionals (Ult Sieg, Ult CuChu, Takeminakata, the Metatrons) or row teams.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 01, 2014, 01:30:53 PM
So I decided to do technicals to get another stone to pull.

(http://i.imgur.com/NaRTFjs.png)
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 01, 2014, 01:39:12 PM
hhhhhhhhhhhhh lucky
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 01, 2014, 01:41:03 PM
non-IAP masterrace too fucking STRONGK
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 01, 2014, 01:57:43 PM
The problem with Physical dudes is that outside a few exceptions(Blue Odin and Megalo,) their recovery sucks way worse than healers HP does. A lot of Physical dudes end up having to slot in Echidna to fix it.

hhhhhhhhhhhhh lucky

No one seems to like Guan Yu though and he has no subs.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 01, 2014, 03:00:14 PM
non-IAP masterrace too fucking STRONGK

i counter that with JPN-server masterrace Bv

No one seems to like Guan Yu though and he has no subs.

But GGY is literally 1337

and his beard
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 01, 2014, 03:14:32 PM
You make some of the most baffling negative  assumptions, you know that?

Yes, I do know that. You know my experience with this game is extremely narrow, right? I literally haven't used a team that wasn't lead by Valkyrie since like two days after I started playing. I don't know how anything works. That's why you guys have to tell me when I say something that doesn't make sense. This is good, I'm learnding.

Siegfried and Cu Chulainn might not look as attractive but you'll find that teams led by them will be strong and resilient. That and especially Sieg gets a TON of HP, and as a leader of a physical team you'll have a lot of that. The only real weakness a physical team has is low RCV and that's easily remedied by throwing in a god or something (hint: you have Apollo and he gets a physical ult and his stats are solid)

Okay, good, good. This works.

Yes and no. The main idea is the same, but you will find that physical teams are bulky as hell and that's a lot of fun. (Physical also means you can use King Bubblie too, who is a great burst utility for a phys team AND he gets two skill boosts). Balanced teams mean you have a huge variety of options to choose from, where healer teams are generally very limited. They're versatile!

Okay, as long as stuff's farmable this is good.

And King Shynee looks so inadequate now. :derp:

All of that said, if you want an entirely different play style, you'll probably have to look toward burst gods that revolve around orb matching (Chinese gods, Isis, DQXQ, etc) or combo counting (Bastet, Okuninushi, Anubis, etc) or HP conditionals (Ult Sieg, Ult CuChu, Takeminakata, the Metatrons) or row teams.

Yeah, basically. Or stall-em-ups. I wish I had an Isis or something.

The problem with Physical dudes is that outside a few exceptions(Blue Odin and Megalo,) their recovery sucks way worse than healers HP does. A lot of Physical dudes end up having to slot in Echidna to fix it.

Works for me, she was probably going to at least fill space there for a while anyway.
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Post by: trancehime on August 01, 2014, 03:16:21 PM
Okay, good, good. This works.

I would like to add that UEvo Siegfried has almost double the HP and slightly more ATK than the UEvo Grace Valkyrie who shares the same ability.

That and he looks pretty fucking metal

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Post by: Suikama on August 01, 2014, 03:19:48 PM
also my super duper lategame isis team has both of them on it if that counts for anything :derp:
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Post by: triangles on August 01, 2014, 03:32:05 PM
It's also not as much about teams being "better" or "worse" just different.
I can clear stuff on monored that would make my healer team cry and vice versa. 
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Post by: commandercool on August 01, 2014, 05:21:19 PM
Alright, first clear dropped a Highlander. I can probably run twice more today, might do and try to get Berserk as well.
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Post by: Thaws on August 01, 2014, 06:29:15 PM
So I tried the GodFest REM pull again (https://twitter.com/trancehime/status/495065315047272448/photo/1).

I also tried Friday Dungeon again but I did even worse this time, I guess I have to practice stalling a little bit because the wrong color orbs kept on spawning =|

That's why I'm playing two other PAD clones during downtime

EDIT: Succeeded in winning that stage!!

Haha I also got one from the godfes. We can totally get 4x coins from weekend dungeons together now  :V It's said they're going to allow you to spend coins to temporarily unlock some old dungeons in the future, so until that comes this guys is pretty meh... :ohdear: The active skill is unique but its cooldown is a bit too long.
7 rolls only that guy and the other light indo, all my luck went to the dragon poker REM this time. :/
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 01, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
So I'm thinking of using Wadatsumi as a leader for that 20 cost-restricted dungeon, but I'm kinda at a loss for balanced subs. I have a Hello Kitty that I can evolve (even if I lose the ability to use her for Draggie), and GC Crabs for a water enhance. The only other mobs I can think of are the blue mystic knight (why no dungeon :c ) and King Woodsie.
Of course I could bring TAMADRApurin as an off-sub for that 5000 HP tanking. (^^
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Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 01, 2014, 09:27:20 PM
I got gifted a whaling at the last godfest, now I have the first world problem of needing a ton of tamadra.  But I really want to make those attacker and devil teams.

(http://i.imgur.com/khZdurRl.jpg)
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Post by: Conqueror on August 01, 2014, 10:15:32 PM
My index finger is red and raw from matching orbs and I still didn't get the berserk I wanted yet. 50% chance pls.
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 01, 2014, 10:29:06 PM
Yes, I do know that. You know my experience with this game is extremely narrow, right? I literally haven't used a team that wasn't lead by Valkyrie since like two days after I started playing. I don't know how anything works. That's why you guys have to tell me when I say something that doesn't make sense. This is good, I'm learnding.

Narrow experience does not imply that one should dismiss everything so quickly! You pulled one pretty awesome god and one decent utility earlier and wrote them off as useless before you even figured out what you could do with 'em, and you immediately dismissed Siegfried and Cu Chulainn as 'worse Valkyries' before even considering their uses-- and thought negatively of all of the above. I get that you haven't done anything other than Valk since you started, but you're going to need more than one team to handle stuff (trust me), and everything you've got so far will be a fantastic step in that direction.

Basically what I'm saying is be a little more positive about the stuff the game gives you, because in most cases, you'll be able to use something somehow.

Siegfried is the key leader of a very solid team setup (http://www.puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=21267&pid=186229#pid186229). Used properly, he's amazing. He also makes a really good sub. In fact, a whole lot of physical monsters do, because they're great HP stat sticks when you have open space. Of course, you'll more often prefer stuff that has subclasses too to hopefully make up for the lack of RCV (some phys monsters even have NEGATIVE RCV, like Gigas-- but he makes up for that by having one of the highest raw HP stats in the game).

Cu Chulainn is great too. The vast majority of balanced type monsters in the game are wood element, so you'll have a lot of synergy to work with. And really, replace pretty much everything in the previously mentioned link above with their balanced counterparts and you'll have a solid team there too. You'll have less raw HP to work with than you would in a physical team, but you've got a huge utility variety to work with and will have much more workable RCV too.

Basically, all the heartbreakers (Valk, Sieg, Cu Chu, Gigas, Vampire) are solid members of any team in some way or another. Valk/Sieg/Cu Chu make good leaders as well as subs, and Gigas and Vampire are better subs than they are leaders (if not only because B/D Vamp is ridiculously weird because his leader skill boosts dark types but his main element is water and that's kinda awkward (but not unworkable, mind)). Normal Ult Vamp as a sub is good enough as he is. Or use him as a leader if you really want for a 0/4/4 team. But that won't have the raw power of the other leaders.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 01, 2014, 11:21:01 PM
Narrow experience does not imply that one should dismiss everything so quickly! You pulled one pretty awesome god and one decent utility earlier and wrote them off as useless before you even figured out what you could do with 'em, and you immediately dismissed Siegfried and Cu Chulainn as 'worse Valkyries' before even considering their uses-- and thought negatively of all of the above. I get that you haven't done anything other than Valk since you started, but you're going to need more than one team to handle stuff (trust me), and everything you've got so far will be a fantastic step in that direction.

Basically what I'm saying is be a little more positive about the stuff the game gives you, because in most cases, you'll be able to use something somehow.

Siegfried is the key leader of a very solid team setup (http://www.puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=21267&pid=186229#pid186229). Used properly, he's amazing. He also makes a really good sub. In fact, a whole lot of physical monsters do, because they're great HP stat sticks when you have open space. Of course, you'll more often prefer stuff that has subclasses too to hopefully make up for the lack of RCV (some phys monsters even have NEGATIVE RCV, like Gigas-- but he makes up for that by having one of the highest raw HP stats in the game).

Cu Chulainn is great too. The vast majority of balanced type monsters in the game are wood element, so you'll have a lot of synergy to work with. And really, replace pretty much everything in the previously mentioned link above with their balanced counterparts and you'll have a solid team there too. You'll have less raw HP to work with than you would in a physical team, but you've got a huge utility variety to work with and will have much more workable RCV too.

Basically, all the heartbreakers (Valk, Sieg, Cu Chu, Gigas, Vampire) are solid members of any team in some way or another. Valk/Sieg/Cu Chu make good leaders as well as subs, and Gigas and Vampire are better subs than they are leaders (if not only because B/D Vamp is ridiculously weird because his leader skill boosts dark types but his main element is water and that's kinda awkward (but not unworkable, mind)). Normal Ult Vamp as a sub is good enough as he is. Or use him as a leader if you really want for a 0/4/4 team. But that won't have the raw power of the other leaders.

Keep in mind that in most of these cases my lack of interest in this stuff isn't because the monster is terrible, it's because it's not useful to me right now. I'm at a point in the game where I need a second kind of team to handle different situations, and I keep getting stuff that, to me, looks like a way better sub than leader. "Amazing sub to some mega-rare god you don't have" doesn't exactly thrill me right now. To me it looks like I have a surplus of subs and nothing to do with them, which is kind of frustrating. But if that's not the case, great.

If I can manage to get a Berserk before Two Heroes goes away I think I basically have a solid Physical team. I'm short a great green physical monster, but I can use an ultivolved ogre for now and get what seems like a very Sakuya-friendly team full of orb changers and all of the right colors.

Cu Chu is a little less clear right now, since a lot of the Balanced monsters I picked up randomly seem to have weak synergy with him. Maybe I'm just missing something right now, but isn't a bunch of orb changers on a mixed team kind of a waste? It seems like orb changers would be good for either teams that are heavily built around one color or combo-making teams.

Beast Rider seems like a total waste of space no matter how I look at him right now. I don't have any particular way to make Attackers a thing and I can't ultimate evolve him any time in the foreseeable future.

Apollo seems like he fits well onto a Siegfried team if I make one, especially if I go with Dragon Emperor Siegfried and try to go for the Sakuya-friendly build that I sort of have the pieces for. He doesn't provide any colors I don't have, but there should be a fair amount of light on the team between Siegfried, Gigas, Sakuya, and himself, and I don't otherwise have a light orb changer. And he gets rid of the dark orbs I don't use.

Vampire doesn't seem amazing for much right now since his synergy with Cu Chu seems weird and my teams don't seem like they'll have a lot of dark on them. I have considered taking a shot at the Batman machine to try to get Batarangs and make a 4/4/0 team like I was hoping to with one of the Greek gods, but Batman's lack of an ultimate evolution is unfortunate and I don't want to risk getting a bunch of Catwomans and Robins. I'm sure he'll go somewhere, but I don't know where yet.
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 02, 2014, 12:06:24 AM
Just because a god isn't useful right now, doesn't mean it won't be useful later! It's a large part of why I keep to my "at least one roll every godfest" rule, keeping that up has given me several things to work with! Even if I may end up never using a bunch of them.

For example, the only reason I'm so hellbent on tackling Goddess Descended is because the REM gave me a Raphael, the only reason why I even considered Goddess Descended within my reach is because I got an AA Lucifer (and the bonus Oukuninushi certainly helped) and the only reason why I even considered making a Lucifer team a possibility (which would require two gravity users, AKA two heras) was because one of my very first REM pulls was a Pierdra, which eventually turns into the 50% dark/water-reducing Jester Dragon, Drawn Joker, and even if I didn't have a Drawn Joker, I could also work with Neptune.

I still have to find a team for my Minerva, Persephone, Hermes and Meimei, but they can certainly prove useful at one time or another.

Speaking of which, after I'm done with my little crusade against Goddess Descended I plan on doing a Meimei team to get myself used to the whole "match several different colors" playstyle before finally moving on to Horus, so what would be a good non-IAP team for Meimei? G/D, of course, Twinlits is out of my reach right now.

My PAD Herder is on my sig, if it helps.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 02, 2014, 03:56:26 AM
Got another Highlander. Woo... One more try before the dungeon goes down if I can time everything right. I'll be cutting it REALLY close (like within 120 seconds) as to whether my stamina is up in time.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Bio on August 02, 2014, 04:49:39 AM
so what would be a good non-IAP team for Meimei? G/D, of course, Twinlits is out of my reach right now.
Athena/Meimei/Verche/Verche/Echidna/Athena
as you can see completely farm able so that you can mindlessly grind for days. oh shit you have izanagi I am so jealous
Use Valk and Chu and then put whatever you want in the last two like Vampire and any Hera.
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Post by: Pesco on August 02, 2014, 05:23:59 AM
Done a PADherder (https://www.padherder.com/user/Pesco)
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Post by: Conqueror on August 02, 2014, 05:41:00 AM
Ahaha, died to first level devils again. ;-;

Ah well, I'll get Berserk in a month when the dungeon comes again. I-it's not like I wanted him or anything.
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Post by: commandercool on August 02, 2014, 07:24:13 AM
My stamina was up with, no kidding, ten seconds left on the dungeon. I just barely had time to pick a friend before it closed. Got two + eggs and a Berserk, just perfect.

Apparently my roommate did an REM pull earlier and got a Berserk as well. Now we can be Siegfried buddies.
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Post by: trancehime on August 02, 2014, 11:24:39 AM
For JPN and HK/TW players who do not already know:

(http://puu.sh/aBqgN/b3d3be3c46.jpg)

Next Friday we have new descended dungeon, "Mephistopheles Descends!"

Though, you may already have read this news on PDX.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 02, 2014, 02:26:07 PM
I guess stats aren't out for him yet.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 02, 2014, 02:33:09 PM
Looks like Baal is getting a buddy to team up with.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 02, 2014, 02:57:12 PM
How exactly do the mechanics of friend lists work? If I delete someone from my list do I get deleted from their list as well?
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 02, 2014, 03:30:17 PM
It's a small accomplishment for an ex-whale with a Kirin team but

(http://i.imgur.com/dJ0yrYp.jpg)

Anyone who knows my long and dark history with Hera descend knows just how important a no-stone clear is for me ;w;
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Post by: trancehime on August 02, 2014, 03:34:32 PM
I guess stats aren't out for him yet.

Maybe we get details from the nico livestream which occurs on Friday August 8th, 8PM JST. The Descend proper begins an hour from then.

Meanwhile, the Descend itself requires 100% of your stamina, but if you don't have a predetermined minimum amount of stamina you can't do it period (!!)
Now, the restriction is that Recovery/Healing is not available.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 02, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
How exactly do the mechanics of friend lists work? If I delete someone from my list do I get deleted from their list as well?

I believe so? There's no notice of when it happens, you'll just notice you're one friend shorter, and if you were using them, they just won't be there anymore.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 02, 2014, 04:30:46 PM
I believe so? There's no notice of when it happens, you'll just notice you're one friend shorter, and if you were using them, they just won't be there anymore.

Thanks. I'll do an experiment later to confirm this. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't a way for me to not feel bad about rejecting all of the low-level Valkyries who are finding me through puzzledragonx without clogging my list with them.
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 02, 2014, 04:33:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gMnDZv6.png)

The Anti-Hera Crusade has emerged victorious.

AFTER FIFTY MINUTES but yeah.

I'll just need another run after this one and then NEVER AGAIN

(Or at least until I decide to skill stuff up :ohdear:)
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Post by: Conqueror on August 02, 2014, 05:18:06 PM
Whee, cheesed Hera with Luci/Odin. Should I bother getting a second one until my first Hera is at a usable level?
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 02, 2014, 05:41:44 PM
May as well get two or three if you don't have Hades or Hera-Is or Zeus. Luci triple gravity stall teams are still kinda valid for some dungeons I guess.
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Post by: Conqueror on August 02, 2014, 05:44:18 PM
What would the fifth sub be for a triple gravity team, a heartmaker?
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 02, 2014, 05:51:05 PM
Yep. Ideally a skilled up Drawn Joker, but since that's a pain in the ass to do most folks seem to go for Siren.

So basically:

Luci/dark grav/dark grav/dark grav/Siren or DJ/Luci

Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 02, 2014, 10:34:35 PM
I tackled Hera Descends with Sakuya as a lead. Surprisingly relaxing, actually being able to heal HP, plenty of credit to Gabriel, Valkyrie, and Echidna as subs
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Post by: Jq1790 on August 03, 2014, 12:11:16 AM
Did a no stone run of Hera.  Was really easy, thanks in part to being able to field Sonia.  Very similar team to my first one.

DJ/RSonia/WotN/Alraune/A.Hera/(GOdin)

Actually had to actively heal during Hades or I'd be like 1000 HP off of full when he hit again(GOdin had nine of his autoheals), but heart orbs and Gungnirs made it quite simple.

MAN am I glad I had A.Hera to speed up the fights...  The extra Hera will be nice to have around, once I get her leveled nd evovled.
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 03, 2014, 12:32:51 AM
I tackled Hera Descends with Sakuya as a lead. Surprisingly relaxing, actually being able to heal HP, plenty of credit to Gabriel, Valkyrie, and Echidna as subs

I run Kirin/TAMADRApurin/UltOdin/TwinUltSiegfried/Apollo/Kirin, myself. So I have an absurd amount of HP, and the only mons that have <300 RCV were TAMApurin and Sieg. So I had a fair bit of recovery too. Failing that, Odin gets me 2000 a turn and Gungnir on a dark enemy gets me an almost full heal.

The only time I was ever really hurting for HP was when I had to stall on Hera herself because I was short a green orb for four turns or so. That was a close one >.<
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Post by: Chaore on August 03, 2014, 01:09:14 AM
I've somehow failed what i could do in like 20 minutes with lucifer twice with shiva

shits weird as hell

hera plz
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 03, 2014, 01:34:39 AM
Yeeeaaa got two Hera skill ups today.
Suck on that, Gungho!
Edit: Using Sakuya is pretty fun now that I've messed around a little. I have to think more about how to close the distance between orbs and it's cool when I'm not missing my diagonal movements.
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 03, 2014, 03:49:50 AM
So uh I just did a run of Metal Dragons where I got an "invade" literally every floor besides the boss.

TAMADRA Invade on floors 1 and 4, King Metal Invade on Floors 2, 3 and 4.

I dropped the kings on floors 2 and 3, but didn't drop the tamas ):
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 03, 2014, 09:58:27 AM
Fire Mechdragon and Nebradisk incoming

Flame chasers hnghghghhghgh

Does the invade rate get higher with difficulty, or can I get away trying to farm Nagas on Expert?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 03, 2014, 10:47:36 AM
Fire Mechdragon and Nebradisk incoming

Flame chasers hnghghghhghgh

Does the invade rate get higher with difficulty, or can I get away trying to farm Nagas on Expert?

Oh shit finally mystics are coming back?

I'm getting myself a damn Antikythera so I can farm gold Keepers >:(
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 03, 2014, 03:46:22 PM
Oh shit finally mystics are coming back?

I'm getting myself a damn Antikythera so I can farm gold Keepers >:(

But you have a Kirin. Most people probably want Mechdragons more since Gungho was nice enough to tell us about the ult-evos right after Betelgeuse ended.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 03, 2014, 03:54:35 PM
I personally believe that Resolve + Antikythera team is more reliable than a Kirin team as far as Golden Keeper goes.
I'm getting myself a damn Antikythera so I can farm gold Keepers >:(

Don't forget to get a Solomon Grundy from the Batman Collab while you still can!

(Unless you have an Orochi or something)
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 03, 2014, 04:01:37 PM
But you have a Kirin. Most people probably want Mechdragons more since Gungho was nice enough to tell us about the ult-evos right after Betelgeuse ended.

You know, it's really getting tiring to hear the same advice over and over again.

Yeah, I have a Kirin. But that doesn't mean that such a team is working for me for gold keepers or else I wouldn't, you know, be making a point of making a team that CAN handle it.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 03, 2014, 07:44:25 PM
So I guess antikythera's ult is highly compatible with Lu Bu. Reduce HP to 1, swap leaders. If I swapped out Haku that would mean I can go all out with dark instead of trying to preserve red and blue orbs, too.

At the same time, ult. Hadar is a thing that could be useful as well...
What to do...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 04, 2014, 02:35:32 AM
You know, it's really getting tiring to hear the same advice over and over again.

Yeah, I have a Kirin. But that doesn't mean that such a team is working for me for gold keepers or else I wouldn't, you know, be making a point of making a team that CAN handle it.


I only said that because I know you hate stalling, and doing the dungeon that way would take a while.
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Post by: Suikama on August 04, 2014, 02:50:48 AM
oh batrem is ending guess I should pull once

>Catwoman

okay maybe I shouldn't have
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 04, 2014, 04:43:04 AM
oh batrem is ending guess I should pull once

>Catwoman

okay maybe I shouldn't have

Throw in a 3rd Robin and that's me. PAD is telling me not to roll anything until the next Norse fest. Or probably the one after that.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 04, 2014, 07:37:17 AM
Got a little scary at times, but we pulled through.

Also Cure saving my ass from being clawed to death by Wicked Lady

(http://i.imgur.com/SL0aYMG.png)

Edit: Thanks to Chaore for huge Chiyome
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 04, 2014, 10:04:13 AM
Have the Mechdragons always been this easy?
Well, it explains how I skill maxed Regulus half a year ago...
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Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 04, 2014, 01:34:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/F0trGZml.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/F0trGZm.jpg)

Nebradisk, my old friend! I remember when you took me stones to beat on this difficulty.

(http://i.imgur.com/819B0Zkl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/819B0Zk.jpg)

bye nerd
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 04, 2014, 01:40:59 PM


bye nerd

Or hi, since he'll be in your box now.
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Post by: Edible on August 04, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
The challenge now is to get S-rank for the tamadra.
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Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 04, 2014, 02:22:26 PM
The challenge now is to get S-rank for the tamadra.

I don't think I have any burst teams capable of this. ;_;
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Post by: trancehime on August 04, 2014, 03:01:49 PM
I don't think I have any burst teams capable of this. ;_;

If it makes you feel any better, I'm too scrub-shit right now to even stand a chance at doing any of the new content that I get ahead of pretty much all of you folks. :v
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 04, 2014, 03:14:37 PM
The challenge now is to get S-rank for the tamadra.

I ended up with a score of 43k for mine, and this was making an average combo of 5+. They need better scoring systems that aren't just all tacked on rarity ;;
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 04, 2014, 03:17:53 PM
Oh boy, now there's Green Valkyrie too.

Because we really needed Green Valkyrie.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 04, 2014, 04:30:00 PM
Gotta match the rainbow Hera crew bro.

See also: waifus
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Post by: commandercool on August 04, 2014, 05:51:42 PM
Oh boy, now there's Green Valkyrie too.

Because we really needed Green Valkyrie.

We need five Valkyries to complete Valkyrie Voltron. Get me artifact Valkyrie and gold Valkyrie to complete the cycle! :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 04, 2014, 05:57:18 PM
Oh boy, now there's Green Valkyrie too.

Because we really needed Green Valkyrie.

More importantly, ult Ruka! What a cute.
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 04, 2014, 05:59:45 PM
 http://youtu.be/KoqFWv_knMo

Godin carrying teams. Izanami and Tengu also pulling weight.
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Post by: Chaore on August 04, 2014, 07:23:30 PM
Oh boy, now there's Green Valkyrie too.

Because we really needed Green Valkyrie.

green healer actually has a really decent pool of cards

including freyja

also yes, we did, because oh my god i want her please no my wallet stop opening
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Post by: Edible on August 04, 2014, 07:31:59 PM
Honestly, if she's healer type and green/dark that's really awesome for a number of teams, isn't it.
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Post by: Suikama on August 04, 2014, 07:43:19 PM
recolors too stronk
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 04, 2014, 07:50:27 PM
Light valkyrie should get a twinlit/gold Keeper/trifruit evo to seperate her from the others like Hera did.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 04, 2014, 08:20:24 PM
Honestly, if she's healer type and green/dark that's really awesome for a number of teams, isn't it.

yeah, it's kind of a given that is exactly what she is.

Also she's hot as hell please i want twelve
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Post by: commandercool on August 05, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
Got a second random Naga farming Red Demon Masks to evolve my Titan. Bring back Tengu please, I think I can do this now. Siegfried Team needs a green guy so it can hang out with Sakuya, and Tengu is supercool.
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Post by: Thaws on August 05, 2014, 04:16:53 AM
green healer actually has a really decent pool of cards

including freyja

also yes, we did, because oh my god i want her please no my wallet stop opening

The problem with using freyja in green healer is that you have no reason to restrict your team to healers.
The best green healer leader bastet's leader skill has no restriction on type either.
Not sure if using Green Valk is worth it, as there are way better leader skills now than plain 3x attack for a specific type.
So green healer teams are still pretty awkward right now, unless you want to use off-colour enhancers. (Might be worth it since healers got some really amazing enhancers like SunQuan and Sandalphon...)

Green Valk's worth is finally another quick 5-turn heartbreaker with row enhance for green teams. (Assuming it follows the pattern of other colours)
Though there's the possibility they give her 2-prong instead for the attacker teams.



I'm really looking forward to sticker girls getting usable stats and awakenings. I noticed their actives have really unique origin orb colours. Like Kano changing Water/Light. (Is there any wood monster that changes light orbs away except for Kano and the green angel?)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 05, 2014, 05:24:48 AM
The problem with using freyja in green healer is that you have no reason to restrict your team to healers.
The best green healer leader bastet's leader skill has no restriction on type either.
Not sure if using Green Valk is worth it, as there are way better leader skills now than plain 3x attack for a specific type.
So green healer teams are still pretty awkward right now, unless you want to use off-colour enhancers. (Might be worth it since healers got some really amazing enhancers like SunQuan and Sandalphon...)

Green Valk's worth is finally another quick 5-turn heartbreaker with row enhance for green teams. (Assuming it follows the pattern of other colours)
Though there's the possibility they give her 2-prong instead for the attacker teams.

Completely true, to be honest! Green healer is very much a 'work in progress, maybe, possibly, kinda'.

Green valk as a card is kinda baller though, yeah, might help parvarti get slamjammed less by Freyja. I don't imagine they'd give her two-prong because she has no business on a 2-prong team right now. Even if Zhuge IS technically non-subtype conditional...

Honestly, I mostly want her because i am a weak fleshy mortal.
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Post by: Edible on August 05, 2014, 01:07:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuQ1VapCIAArJB-.png)

Mephistopheles

Light/dark
Prong, light orb enhance, light row enhance
Active: 8x light atk + half damage as hp recovery
Leader: 4x devil atk when hp < 80%
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 05, 2014, 01:18:08 PM
Dear triangles,

When stalling to have a delay up for a boss, it is helpful to use the delay before you are one-shotted.

Love,
The fleeting memory of 50 stamina
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 05, 2014, 02:44:17 PM
Died with Kirin against Himiko. Ended up busting out the ole I&I Hermes build to do the job. Orb changes are so annoying, I'm considering leveling my mastering to deal with this stuff.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 05, 2014, 02:46:35 PM
Dear triangles,

When stalling to have a delay up for a boss, it is helpful to use the delay before you are one-shotted.

Love,
The fleeting memory of 50 stamina

Here's my own letter to reflect my own experience of missing a large chunk of stamina - almost 60% of my stamina at my current rank:

Dear trancehime,

When attempting a dungeon where you need a Grodin friend, be sure that the Grodin person you pick is actually your friend.

With love,
The charred remains of 30 stamina
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 05, 2014, 02:50:02 PM
Here's my own letter to reflect my own experience of missing a large chunk of stamina - almost 60% of my stamina at my current rank:

Dear trancehime,

When attempting a dungeon where you need a Grodin friend, be sure that the Grodin person you pick is actually your friend.

With love,
The charred remains of 30 stamina

Too bad I don't have a Godin, or I'd help. I can provide spiking leaders though, even if unless their name is Genbu, Batman or Tennin, they're pretty low level.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 05, 2014, 03:11:52 PM
I feel like I've got one of those coming up on my lunch break when I charge headlong into Mystic Dark Dragon with a team consisting largely of at least part-Light monsters. I think I can manage without if I still have water, but it's probably a terrible idea. This is the kind of rare situation where I wish I had a Ruka.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 05, 2014, 03:17:07 PM
I feel like I've got one of those coming up on my lunch break when I charge headlong into Mystic Dark Dragon with a team consisting largely of at least part-Light monsters. I think I can manage without if I still have water, but it's probably a terrible idea. This is the kind of rare situation where I wish I had a Ruka.

That 30 stamina I threw away was actually fucking Keeper of Rainbow's dungeon, though. =|
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on August 05, 2014, 04:20:41 PM
Here's my own letter to reflect my own experience of missing a large chunk of stamina - almost 60% of my stamina at my current rank:

Dear trancehime,

When attempting a dungeon where you need a Grodin friend, be sure that the Grodin person you pick is actually your friend.

With love,
The charred remains of 30 stamina

I actually have a Grodin, though haven't bothered to ult it, but it should do the job. I can put it up for today whoops already past midnight and weds dungeon's up next tues if you need it.
Doing rainbow keeper outside events means it only has like 50% drop rate (and in PAD, that means 0% when you need one badly :v )
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 05, 2014, 05:21:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuQ1VapCIAArJB-.png)

Mephistopheles

Light/dark
Prong, light orb enhance, light row enhance
Active: 8x light atk + half damage as hp recovery
Leader: 4x devil atk when hp < 80%

I...

I'm tempted to say fucking useless, but that IS Dmeta's literal leader skill. 2-prong and a row make him a flexible, if weak as shit leader, though.

He... He might be okay though, just from leader skill. Shit.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 05, 2014, 05:42:24 PM
I...

I'm tempted to say fucking useless, but that IS Dmeta's literal leader skill. 2-prong and a row make him a flexible, if weak as shit leader, though.

He... He might be okay though, just from leader skill. Shit.

But unlike dmeta, his subs are uh

Baal, chaos venus, and hera-sowilo.

Yeah. <_<
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 05, 2014, 06:13:12 PM
But unlike dmeta, his subs are uh

Baal, chaos venus, and hera-sowilo.

Yeah. <_<

Four baals.

WE'RE READY FOR TOP TIER NOW.

Edit: In complete seriousness, yes, that won't do, but you can always get creative.

Gryps Rider, for example, boasts a light row as well as generates light orbs alongside his dark orbs. Slotting him will be 'less optimal' than if you went solely light, but uh

obviously that's not an option.

He's not going to be OP king lord 2014, but that leader skill generates a lot of damage and makes doing less optimal shit viable for a mediocre team with him.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 05, 2014, 06:16:20 PM
Four baals.

WE'RE READY FOR TOP TIER NOW.

So many rows...max-awakened and maxed skilled means, you only need to wait two turns.

What if we did 6 Baals or Baal and Mephist instead?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 05, 2014, 06:20:45 PM
So many rows...max-awakened and maxed skilled means, you only need to wait two turns.

What if we did 6 Baals or Baal and Mephist instead?

The actual problem with this is you'll run out of orbs to convert. Fast.

Also Baal/Mephist requires you to be in a very small range of 80%>x>50% which is difficult.

Like I said, getting creative would work better. The real reason mephist's leaderskill matters is because it gives a high enough multiplier you can play around a bit.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 05, 2014, 06:35:29 PM
The actual problem with this is you'll run out of orbs to convert. Fast.

Also Baal/Mephist requires you to be in a very small range of 80%>x>50% which is difficult.

Like I said, getting creative would work better. The real reason mephist's leaderskill matters is because it gives a high enough multiplier you can play around a bit.

Yeah, I was sorta half joking/playing along with it. Maybe you should try

Mephist
Valk/Fuma
Baal/Hera-Sol
Baal/Venus
Mephist
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 06, 2014, 08:28:49 AM
I pulled D/D Batman from the Batman collab REM

... I guess I have something for low-cost conditionals then? I guess? :S
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 06, 2014, 08:44:21 AM
I know I'll only get Catwoman if I roll the Batman machine, so I passed.

I'm trying to decide what I'll go for after I +297 my TAMADRApurin. +'ing my Byakko would be neat, but Godin also benefits a lot from +Attack; Ammy could always use more recovery, etc. etc...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 06, 2014, 10:37:50 AM
Dump your +ATKs into GOdin, your +RCVs into Ammy and your +HPs into Byakko? :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 06, 2014, 11:34:13 AM
!bias!

Byakko pls. I need more 297 byakko friends.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 06, 2014, 06:45:59 PM
!bias!

Byakko pls. I need more 297 byakko friends.

I should probably do something with mine. She's lvl 5 unevolved right now. I'm trying to skill her up first. Too bad Dark Keepers are a pain.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 06, 2014, 08:17:20 PM
To have a +297 Byakko is one thing, but I think my skill maxed Byakko being +297 would be legendary.
If I did that, I'd probably change her to D/R Byakko just out of spite. Dark dragons are becoming a thing, gradually, aren't they?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 06, 2014, 08:20:00 PM
Unfortunately, I'm pretty certain dragons will remain second-class citizens of PAD.  They're ever-so-slowly inching towards usability, but...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 06, 2014, 08:52:45 PM
Unfortunately, I'm pretty certain dragons will remain second-class citizens of PAD.  They're ever-so-slowly inching towards usability, but...

I dunno. They seem to be pushing red dragons, with the Red Guan Yu, Uriel ult, Freyr, and Haku. They all can abuse Sonia, so that alone makes them decent.

Also, I noticed quite a few Shivas on my list whenever Thursday comes. I don't have a Shiva, however, I have an R/R Ifrit. Think I can use him as a poormans Shiva? Maybe a team like:

Ifrit
Gigas
Homura
Goemon
Phoenix
F/D Shiva

Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 06, 2014, 11:52:22 PM
To have a +297 Byakko is one thing, but I think my skill maxed Byakko being +297 would be legendary.
If I did that, I'd probably change her to D/R Byakko just out of spite. Dark dragons are becoming a thing, gradually, aren't they?

nuuuuu eternal waifu evo plsssss
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 07, 2014, 12:21:20 AM
welp i set my self up so i could farm the hell out of the +egg dungeon

and then i missed it by 5 minutes

whatever
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 07, 2014, 12:53:00 AM
May I ask what you would be using them for? You already have a +297 Isis no?

(also could you add me my Horus is F/L and +110 and having an Isis friend would be amazing for practice)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 07, 2014, 01:04:14 AM
gotta +297 my whole team for maximum stats :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 07, 2014, 01:06:53 AM
gotta +297 my whole team for maximum stats :V

this basically

like this is actually stupid important these days if you're not doing op shit
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 07, 2014, 01:26:12 AM
Would anyone who's my friend mind putting up a Nebradisk for a minute so I can easy mode team challenge Lava Dragon Of The Mantle as long as it's still 1.5x drops? It doesn't have to be leveled or anything.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 07, 2014, 01:41:29 AM
We have a few people with Odins, but if you can't get them, I can put my my Nebradisk.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 07, 2014, 01:43:50 AM
I don't think Odin works for this since it's a team challenge. I think it has to be Nebradisk, or something similar. Maybe Tengu, but he would be a little riskier.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 07, 2014, 01:50:48 AM
I'll put mine up for you then if you can't find another one.

Thanks to this +egg dungeon, I'm 5 +eggs from +297ing Kirin. I wonder who I should go for next. I want to do I&I, but I rarely use her :(, I get jealous whenever I see people with ulted I&Is. I'm just like "how can this many people have the needed REM guys while I don't >:("

I'm thinking it might be between Echidna or Satan.

One more thing. Nebradisk should be up.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 07, 2014, 01:57:33 AM
Okay, I'm in. Thank you.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 07, 2014, 01:58:03 AM
this basically

like this is actually stupid important these days if you're not doing op shit
it's also an absolutely ridiculous grind

you can't even pay your way past the hours and hours of grind needed for a full +297 team
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 07, 2014, 02:36:09 AM
gotta +297 my whole team for maximum stats :V
Pretty much the scenario with my TAMADRApurin team. Ain't no way I can handle anything that isn't Takeminakata without at least +99 HP on every mob.

Edit: Muthafuckers. This is the face of death.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 07, 2014, 04:48:26 AM
How many other collab leads that people actually use besides tamadrapurin? I've seen the batman ones, and the red gold from EVA, but that's it.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 07, 2014, 07:46:54 AM
I've only filled half my friend list with more TAMADRApurin, so I can't comment on other collaboration leaders.

I tackled Takeminakata again hoping to get him some skill ups but I ended up getting Dark Souls invaded again. Fortunately, I was using R/G Suzaku as a lead, so I could actually heal!

with that jewel of fire
I got a Suzaku skill up
and so my quest to max skill another Chinese god begins
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 07, 2014, 09:35:06 AM
I wake up at 5AM in a total stupor and I get the bright idea to try 'Take on a whim
(http://i.imgur.com/ozvGEj3.png)

It turns out he's not that hard

R/G Leilan and Kushi bffs
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 07, 2014, 04:10:48 PM
wait mephist needs low hp for his leader skill but his active heals him

wat
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 07, 2014, 05:06:30 PM
wait mephist needs low hp for his leader skill but his active heals him

wat

Balance beam. For players with true skill/a calculator and a lot of time to waste.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 07, 2014, 05:20:24 PM
Just got myself a Nebradisk, was a lot simpler than I expected tbh, just had to take my Meteor Volcano Dragon away from the monored and exchange him for my Golden Keeper and all was well.

The most dangerous part was when I got to wave 5 and almost killed the wicked lady and she bound my entire team (besides my echidna, who I had already popped), two bloody nails later and I barely managed to get enough healing out to survive a third bloody nail.

Nebradisk was easy, just make sure I had enough red orbs (easy with both Gigas and Ares at my back) and once he would make me explode just pop Golden Keeper, mission accomplished.

That's step one to acquiring Folklore, now to wait for the next mystic dragon.

As far as the PEM goes, I got another angelit, a cupid, a keeper of dark (which is good because I dropped only keepers of light on tuesday for the Heras), a Blue Fruit and 2 plus eggs.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 07, 2014, 05:33:43 PM
wait mephist needs low hp for his leader skill but his active heals him

wat

dat baal synergy for dat 30% brah

alternatively, they had to fuck him up somehow/bargain bin stall luci option for a heal that isn't pekka

luckily, lu bu can fix all your mistakes
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 07, 2014, 05:34:59 PM
I'm glad Lu Bu is so good

because he's motherfuckin Lu Bu
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 07, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
Didn't occur to me to use Gold Keeper for Nebradisk. I'd like to grab three of them some time before the dungeon ends, and I've been trying to determine exactly what the safest way to do it is. That seems smart. Right now the plan is Valkyrie as my leader, Siren, Lilith, Echidna, and maybe Archangel for the autoheals, with some kind of dark resist as my friend. I wish my Lilith was better-leveled, but I think I should still have enough damage to clear the goon floors and just poison the boss to death. I'll consider switching her or maybe Archangel out for Gold Keeper though. Yup, times like this I wish I had more stuff leveled. I'm working on it though. Gigas and Siegfried are both well on their way, especially after that red snow globe I got earlier. Not that either seems like they would help a lot here, but options are good.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 07, 2014, 06:14:34 PM
Didn't occur to me to use Gold Keeper for Nebradisk. I'd like to grab three of them some time before the dungeon ends, and I've been trying to determine exactly what the safest way to do it is. That seems smart. Right now the plan is Valkyrie as my leader, Siren, Lilith, Echidna, and maybe Archangel for the autoheals, with some kind of dark resist as my friend. I wish my Lilith was better-leveled, but I think I should still have enough damage to clear the goon floors and just poison the boss to death. I'll consider switching her or maybe Archangel out for Gold Keeper though. Yup, times like this I wish I had more stuff leveled. I'm working on it though. Gigas and Siegfried are both well on their way, especially after that red snow globe I got earlier. Not that either seems like they would help a lot here, but options are good.

If you're Valk, make sure to 1shot the demons. They bind pretty often. If you get bound once, you're not escaping until it dies.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 07, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
If you're Valk, make sure to 1shot the demons. They bind pretty often. If you get bound once, you're not escaping until it dies.

Aren't they only supposed to bind 10% of the time? Point taken though, umfortunately Archangel has the same typing as Valkyrie so her skill and row-heal come up less often than I would like. Reallt need a Ceres or Amaterasu, but that's not happening any time soon.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 07, 2014, 07:39:42 PM
Aren't they only supposed to bind 10% of the time? Point taken though, umfortunately Archangel has the same typing as Valkyrie so her skill and row-heal come up less often than I would like. Reallt need a Ceres or Amaterasu, but that's not happening any time soon.

I'm just telling you my experience running mono blue in the red OOPart dungeon. There only one demon and he bound me every other turn. One of my guys was bound for 10+ turns.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 07, 2014, 08:07:16 PM
Strategy worked great, even though I forgot that Neb is immune to status (no poison). Don't really have the subs to do this right, but it doesn't seem to be THAT risky with a dark resist. I used a Hades ult with a light subtype and he got bound once though, which was scary.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 07, 2014, 08:12:35 PM
I'm just telling you my experience running mono blue in the red OOPart dungeon. There only one demon and he bound me every other turn. One of my guys was bound for 10+ turns.

If any of your monsters were bind immune, that was probably the problem, since from what I understand, binds won't happen if everything is already bound. So if even one applicable target resists, they can still use the bind move again.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 07, 2014, 08:20:04 PM
Strategy worked great, even though I forgot that Neb is immune to status (no poison). Don't really have the subs to do this right, but it doesn't seem to be THAT risky with a dark resist. I used a Hades ult with a light subtype and he got bound once though, which was scary.

If you don't have Bane or UFO from the recent collabs, there is one more option.

I... am not sure what happens if you use the Gold Keeper's active on Annihilating Light, but optimism wants to say the charge timer resets, effectively giving you 3 more turns to slap him down for free, which should be more than enough.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 07, 2014, 08:44:09 PM
If you don't have Bane or UFO from the recent collabs, there is one more option.

I... am not sure what happens if you use the Gold Keeper's active on Annihilating Light, but optimism wants to say the charge timer resets, effectively giving you 3 more turns to slap him down for free, which should be more than enough.

Yeah, fuck me for not bothering to evolve my Banes when Light Keepers were available. Maybe I'll get one from the Pal tomorrow.

I have a few optio s to kill Nebradisk. I can try the Keeper thing (if I swap out enough part-Light things one extra turn will do it), or I can keep using Hades buddies for the Ultra Gravity (which I did the first time). I haven't done the math yet, but is it possible to crack Neb's defense with x27 and high combos?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 07, 2014, 09:01:52 PM
The PEM is being kind to me. Got an angelit and a blue ancient mask so far.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 07, 2014, 09:05:54 PM
600,000 defense isn't -that- high for a light team. Problem is, there are no light orbs.
For context, my TAMADRApurin team's nuke-burst has an effective x25 multiplier (before orb enhance)  and can output some 1 million on his own.

If you're really wondering, Nebradisk does give you three turns to set up orb conversions. You can probably run into Endless Corridors to see if you can hit 600k or 300k with any given light mob.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 07, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
600,000 defense isn't -that- high for a light team. Problem is, there are no light orbs.
For context, my TAMADRApurin team's nuke-burst has an effective x25 multiplier (before orb enhance)  and can output some 1 million on his own.

If you're really wondering, Nebradisk does give you three turns to set up orb conversions. You can probably run into Endless Corridors to see if you can hit 600k or 300k with any given light mob.

Even if you manage that, you have to take in to account that you don't get any free light orbs and those demons are really bind happy.

EDIT: Why do I suck at reading? You just said that.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 07, 2014, 10:05:00 PM
600,000 defense isn't -that- high for a light team. Problem is, there are no light orbs.
For context, my TAMADRApurin team's nuke-burst has an effective x25 multiplier (before orb enhance)  and can output some 1 million on his own.

If you're really wondering, Nebradisk does give you three turns to set up orb conversions. You can probably run into Endless Corridors to see if you can hit 600k or 300k with any given light mob.

Light doesn't actually usually contribute that much to my burst damage. Mostly I care about water, and I should be able to get a lot of it here. Filling most of the screen with water might actually be harder than usual since the reduced orb variety means setup turns might accidentally take down half of the screen, but that might actually be a good thing because it should mean more separate combos. At that point it's just a matter of not getting some kind of unlucky Wicked Lady blind+demon bind scenario. Even then I would be good to go if my Echidna was fully awoken. This seems like a relatively me-friendly dungeon. I think.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 08, 2014, 02:07:19 AM
So, yeah, healer team does just fine at Mystic Dark Dragon... Until Charming Temptress Wicked Lady wrecked my ship with her ultrabind, hitting everything except King Shynee. Literally anything else and I would have been just fine. I didn't actually know she did that though, so... Next time I'll be more careful. And by careful I mean violent. :flamingv:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on August 08, 2014, 02:24:15 AM
So, yeah, healer team does just fine at Mystic Dark Dragon... Until Charming Temptress Wicked Lady wrecked my ship with her ultrabind, hitting everything except King Shynee. Literally anything else and I would have been just fine. I didn't actually know she did that though, so... Next time I'll be more careful. And by careful I mean violent. :flamingv:
I think Charm happens at 30% health at 100% chance, just once per encounter.  Keeping that in mind, start unleashing heavy attacks right around there and you might not have to deal with it.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 08, 2014, 04:43:46 AM
I think Charm happens at 30% health at 100% chance, just once per encounter.

This exactly. You'll have to deal with the possibility of it twice, so prepare accordingly.

This is why I went with the 4/5/0 Balanced thing, and the fact that Alraune can resist binds half the time/cure them incase I fail to do enough damage. You could also choose a bind-immune lead like twinlit Isis, and she can even cure 1 turn of it away with a much shorter CD. LMeta is also bind-immune and is Healer with a cure that removes 2 turns worth, but has Light as main element instead so no outright attacking for her.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 08, 2014, 05:08:04 AM
Isis cures 2 turns bro BV
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 08, 2014, 05:18:05 AM
1 skill up away from maxing vain. Sadly, 3 chasers were lost in vain. At least I have more space now. I can get more chasers too. If only their materials weren't a pain to get.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 08, 2014, 05:55:17 AM
Isis cures 2 turns bro BV

Huh. I keep thinking it's 1 for some reason, even though I have personally used your Isis to give the finger to some bind dungeons. Maybe that's just me unconsciously thinking it should be 1 for the absurdly short cd it has.

Quick edit: FAIRYTALES COMING OUT TOMORROW AND GOLEM NERF AAAAAA
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 08, 2014, 06:10:38 AM
what the fuck man those golems were supposed to be REMOVED, not reduced
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 08, 2014, 07:51:34 AM
Well, I suppose I should've known that I'm nowhere near as prepared as I thought I was for Goddess Descended. Guess the fact that I used an uvo'd Lucifer friend didn't help either.

Throwing stones at the screen didn't help either, especially considering that she didn't drop.

Granted though, I was stupid enough to get her to the HP % I needed and then use gravity... before 'buncle was off cooldown. And considering he's on a goddamn 3 turn cooldown that's just sad. That cost me about 4 stones because hearts didn't like me for some reason.

Lesson learned, I guess, that's 9 stones down the drain though, guess I'll try after my stamina's refilled with chaore's luci or something, see if I can get lucky this time.

Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 08, 2014, 08:12:40 AM
wait mephist needs low hp for his leader skill but his active heals him

wat

80% isn't that low.

But I do understand that his active goes directly at odds with his LS, which strikes me as unusual. On top of this, his RCV is actually a little on the high side.

I also got an Ancient Blue Sacred Mask from the PEM. Obviously, I need to pray I get I&I from next week's GodFest.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 08, 2014, 12:02:24 PM
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/YakumoSilver/02_zps2f56c893.png)

IS THIS ANOTHER METATRON ULTIMATE OH MY GOD SHE LOOKS GORGEOUS

EDIT: SHE HAS A TAIIIIIIILLLL

EDITEDIT: OKAY NOT A TAIL
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 08, 2014, 12:15:53 PM
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/YakumoSilver/02_zps2f56c893.png)

IS THIS ANOTHER METATRON ULTIMATE OH MY GOD SHE LOOKS GORGEOUS

EDIT: SHE HAS A TAIIIIIIILLLL

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :*

Look closer though. That isn't a tail. That's an inner tube. Thus the bikini and beach balls :v

I'm just happy because it means she's gonna be a blue healer, just as I was hoping to start collecting. And since I already have LMeta and hardly use her...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 08, 2014, 12:22:31 PM
I think Charm happens at 30% health at 100% chance, just once per encounter.  Keeping that in mind, start unleashing heavy attacks right around there and you might not have to deal with it.

Yeah, now that I know that it's not a problem barring a significant accidental skyfall. Now I just kill the werewolves first, and as long as I don't kill her until last I can either overshoot that range or if she does bind me she can't really do anything about it before I recover.

(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/YakumoSilver/02_zps2f56c893.png)

IS THIS ANOTHER METATRON ULTIMATE OH MY GOD SHE LOOKS GORGEOUS

EDIT: SHE HAS A TAIIIIIIILLLL

I'm on board with this trend. Beach Gigas next please.

Also, she really looks like Byakuren. Most of her art does, but this one especially.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 08, 2014, 12:28:35 PM
(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/YakumoSilver/02_zps2f56c893.png)

Yeah, I was watching the stream earlier and it was...

Something, yeah.

That said, Mephisto Descends is now officially open! :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 08, 2014, 01:00:32 PM
guys i received new information about Metatron here.

She's only available in the PINK REM.

welp there goes my hopes and dreams (non-iap player here)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 08, 2014, 01:01:06 PM
what the fuck man those golems were supposed to be REMOVED, not reduced

We got ripper dragons out and a bunch of other crap reduced in return so I suppose that's still good?

(http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l547/YakumoSilver/02_zps2f56c893.png)

Oh shit Metatron hits the beach? I can't say I expected this.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 08, 2014, 01:06:20 PM
(http://puu.sh/aJPMI/2571747e9a.jpg)

mitsuki uevo reveal

unpredictably, we also have Fuu (http://puu.sh/aJPUQ/a2b30e2e1a.jpg) and Kurone (http://puu.sh/aJPW4/e0dd650d80.jpg)

Ruka and Kano were shown on Twitter already.

(http://puu.sh/aJQcS/9b391d80cb.jpg)

A new evolution method is revealed too; it grants an incredible buff to the awakenings and skills of the target Monster. In this case, it's Ceres, to get her Ultimate Awakened Form... Well, just see the picture.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 08, 2014, 01:37:48 PM
Beat Valk on Legend with Leilan. No drop though.

Somehow managed to pull off stalling for Zeusgrav on the dark golem. Angelion OP
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 08, 2014, 01:49:32 PM
[i
(http://puu.sh/aJQcS/9b391d80cb.jpg)

A new evolution method is revealed too; it grants an incredible buff to the awakenings and skills of the target Monster. In this case, it's Ceres, to get her Ultimate Awakened Form... Well, just see the picture.

I thought people were saying that that kind of fusion was illegal to have.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 08, 2014, 02:41:52 PM
I'm just happy because it means she's gonna be a blue healer, just as I was hoping to start collecting. And since I already have LMeta and hardly use her...

Yeah, Paradise Warden Metatron is B/L versus the LMeta's L/B.

Other than that they're functionally the same!
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 08, 2014, 02:43:32 PM
I thought people were saying that that kind of fusion was illegal to have.
looks like gungho is running out of ways to squeeze money out of people so they had to resort to this
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 08, 2014, 02:54:46 PM
looks like gungho is running out of ways to squeeze money out of people so they had to resort to this

also resorting to putting Pink REM and GodFest on overlapping dates

fuck you gungho :(
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 08, 2014, 02:57:50 PM
can someone quickly translate?

コンプガチャに抵触しない確認はしているのですが、頂いたご意見も踏まえ、究極覚醒進化については、システムを再検討してみます!
重複キャラの救済措置は以前から要望が多く、色々考えた結果だったのですが、悪い方向になるのは一番良くないので、究極覚醒進化は来週から再協議します。- YamaP
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 08, 2014, 03:15:06 PM
can someone quickly translate?

コンプガチャに抵触しない確認はしているのですが、頂いたご意見も踏まえ、究極覚醒進化については、システムを再検討してみます!
重複キャラの救済措置は以前から要望が多く、色々考えた結果だったのですが、悪い方向になるのは一番良くないので、究極覚醒進化は来週から再協議します。- YamaP

To make sure that all gachas don't get screwed up thanks to the new Ultimate Awakening Evolution, the system will need to be re-evaluated, as per various opinions that have been thrown around. There was a lot of demand for a way to be saved from having multiple copies of the same character, and so we thought about many ways to fix this, but in the case that this isn't the best way to go about it, Ultimate Awakening Evolution will be revisited next week.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 08, 2014, 04:12:56 PM
"Introducing our new ultimate evos!"

"hey gungho isn't that illegal"

"uh shit nevermind then"


on the other hand if they made a super ultimate Isis then oh god....
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 08, 2014, 06:01:29 PM
on the other hand if they made a super ultimate Isis then oh god....

Give me my super ultimate bird pls.

Also, anybody here has a luci I can work with for goddess descended?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 08, 2014, 06:16:08 PM
Yeah, Paradise Warden Metatron is B/L versus the LMeta's L/B.

Other than that they're functionally the same!

God damn it it's not an ult evo though which means I have to get it out of the pink REM god damn it all I'll never have it :fail:

That said I do approve of the ult sticker girls. Healers with good ATK!
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on August 08, 2014, 06:36:54 PM
Healers really need more hp though, they're all 2k or so which is kinda low...
I'm happy they all got row enhance though

Seems like he's considering a substitute evolve mat for anything for new ult evos now
I'm getting serious deja vu vibes from how tamadras and awakenings end up being.
Inb4 they give them out everyday like free candies as people complain and thus this still isn't helping people who rolled repeats.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 08, 2014, 06:47:56 PM
To be fair, healers and attackers have low hp by default, so it isn't surprising that their hp isn't amazing.

What we DO need are some healer/physicals.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on August 08, 2014, 06:51:55 PM
I'm surprised they just stuck attackers on all of them tbh
I thought they'd make it a bit more varied
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 08, 2014, 07:00:32 PM
I did, too. I really was hoping for healer/phys Ruka or Fuu.

I guess I'll just have to roll red riding hood... But she's off color for anything I'd actually use her for :s
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 08, 2014, 07:25:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/W9sd353.jpg)

oh baby
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on August 08, 2014, 07:31:13 PM
I suppose even Archangels want to relax sometimes, hm?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 08, 2014, 09:08:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/W9sd353.jpg)

oh baby

I s2g I'm saving every stone I get from here on
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 08, 2014, 09:14:29 PM
I'm happy they're adding dual class mons now, and I hope valk gets a Healer/Attacker form so that she can pull secondary duty on my Leilan team.

I understand the desire for Healer/Physical, but I can't pull a Kirin for the life of me.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 08, 2014, 09:50:26 PM
<Chirei> g'night princess

(http://i.imgur.com/q220PfF.png)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 08, 2014, 11:04:15 PM
Finally. Ine thing I learned was not to bundle up random + eggs, or you end up wasting them going over the limit. I have 31 bundle and a few 6s I couldn't use because of this. Also, the price of +egging falls of after a while. Just one of those cost like 200k. Think I can expect a spike in PAL points after this?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 08, 2014, 11:49:17 PM
Nice.

Personally I started splitting up my +s, the rcv are going to my devil team and everything else going is going to my healers

I'm not +ing LMeta just yet, since she makes a situational sub at best and leaders are where GungHo will keep the treadmill going the most.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 09, 2014, 01:36:18 AM
scored a king ruby and two super king rubies in one shot of super ruby dragons 8)

oh, and got another angelit this mornin'
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 09, 2014, 03:44:18 AM
Third try of the day for Goddess Descended and I die on floor one.

Nope, not even gonna stone.

Gonna have to wait 'till next time it seems, at least I'll have more time to get better subs (AKA evolve both heras and get them to level 50) and it should give me enough time to work on the Horus team too, so if all else fails, I'll bring out the bird.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 09, 2014, 04:27:16 AM
Third try of the day for Goddess Descended and I die on floor one.

The time before this that Valk showed up I blew 2 attempts on her. I had to bitterly swallow that I needed to think about why it turned out this way and try again next time.

Thinking apparently pays off!
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 09, 2014, 04:42:08 AM
Ruka is getting a row enhance...

I could make a 2/3/2 Blue Healer-ish Team with Gabriel/Gabriel/King Shynee/Ruka/Beyzul/Blue Valkyrie
like the survivability would be whoa good until I actually need to burst something down where I go all Beyzul and roflstomp things

I mean, 12x with a Shynee enhance and five row enhances will do good things, right?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 09, 2014, 05:38:50 AM
Good, sure. Amazing? Nah. But good, for sure. It sounds like a solid idea and I'd like to see it in practice. (frankly I think Folklore would be the better option but that's just me)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 09, 2014, 06:02:54 AM
Getting to <5% HP is really incredibly difficult when I have two members with auto-recovery! The ideal with Beyzul is that my max HP will be cut in half when I switch out, so I'll be at full HP to proc already.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 09, 2014, 08:24:15 AM
Ah, right, I kinda forgot the whole autorecovery thing. :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 09, 2014, 08:57:09 PM
Ugh okay Hera-Sol is just exhausting to run over and over again

why are there so many goddamn floors and why does that not increase the chance of genbu invade
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 10, 2014, 01:27:56 AM
Who are you evolving this time?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 10, 2014, 02:49:15 AM
I get my 2nd shot at a REM... on the 18th...

when both PREM and GodFes finish...

:colonveeplusalpha:

edit: by  a fucking day
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 10, 2014, 02:58:58 AM
Who are you evolving this time?
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1342


6 runs 0 genbu thanks
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Dr Rawr on August 10, 2014, 05:14:20 AM
im actually kinda sick of tamadras i have about 20 sitting in my box along with 5 babies.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 10, 2014, 05:48:56 AM
Now that I'm rank 120 I can see that one of my friends has had a +297 I&I hiding in his second team slot this whole time. Well son of a bitch. This makes high-end stuff a lot easier. Really going to be good when I run Flame Dragon Knight a bunch of times tomorrow, since I can't use two blue Valkyries.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 10, 2014, 07:02:36 AM
Now that I'm rank 120 I can see that one of my friends has had a +297 I&I hiding in his second team slot this whole time. Well son of a bitch. This makes high-end stuff a lot easier. Really going to be good when I run Flame Dragon Knight a bunch of times tomorrow, since I can't use two blue Valkyries.

Welcome to the 120 club, enjoy your million new options

I admittedly keep my Bastet in slot2 even though she's more useful overall, but unfortunately I main the lead that doesn't work with everyone so the lowbies don't get to see Bastet :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 10, 2014, 07:26:22 AM
The worst part is that it's a relatively recent feature.

Like seriously how did high-level people live without this before? It's something that should've been there from the get-go.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 10, 2014, 07:40:47 AM
It's also pretty disappointing that my delicious 5293 HP purintank can't be used by the lowbies who probably need it most to roflstomp the early game.

There -are- times when I wish TAMADRApurin had other awakenings than Bind Immunity. Losing that 1/2 RCV, even if only for a turn, would be pretty sweet...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 10, 2014, 07:46:49 AM
Chirei told me that if I could beat Tower of Flare, I can beat the next couple of dungeons as well.

Well, I saw Leviathan and noticed he had a really strong attacking stat.

Then I remembered...

(http://i.imgur.com/6IAHgRq.png)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 10, 2014, 03:15:28 PM
Gaaaaaah. I almost no-stoned Hera-Is... and fucked up my orb matching at the OHKO blow. Cue getting smacked with Ice Coffin and two killing blows. :(
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 10, 2014, 05:12:05 PM
Aaahhh Chirei and Matsy I need your R/G Suzaku to farm Flame Mechdragon without getting screwed by water binds.

Edit: I got myself two spare Betelgeuses for making Ult Canopus and Hadar, but I've skilled up a third entirely somehow while farming for flame chasers.
And I only fused seven of them together.

I guess I have a skill maxed Betelgeuse for the Red Guan Yu team I'll never have.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 10, 2014, 06:30:33 PM
Aaahhh Chirei and Matsy I need your R/G Suzaku to farm Flame Mechdragon without getting screwed by water binds.

That's crazy, because the moment you sent that mail out, I decided to try Hera-Is for the first time which probably put her up. By extension, I need yours if you didn't get the ingame mail because all my other R/Gs magically bailed on me after the run was done ;;

On that note THE DESCEND KILLFEST CONTINUES

(http://i.imgur.com/KepNBCT.png)

THE MASTERRACE KEEPS ROLLING THROUGH TOWN
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 10, 2014, 08:13:37 PM
Keeper of Flame and Devilit from pal pulls today.

(http://i.imgur.com/Zl0Hn50l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Zl0Hn50.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/F7CudlCl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/F7CudlC.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 10, 2014, 10:58:58 PM
Gaaaaaah. I almost no-stoned Hera-Is... and fucked up my orb matching at the OHKO blow. Cue getting smacked with Ice Coffin and two killing blows. :(

No-stoned Hera-Is. No drop. :fail:

Didn't get any good drops either. Which is fine really because I already have them from last time I did Hera-Is but still :(
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 11, 2014, 01:15:24 AM
I figured because I'll have a guaranteed chance at the GodFes anyway, I might as well give the Pink REM a shot.

(http://i.imgur.com/NUbKSgW.png)

I'm okay with this.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 11, 2014, 01:25:02 AM
Got a fully awakened Nebradisk and Himiko out of this weekend. Not bad.

I really want a Gaia for some reason, and I see she's coming up soon. Do you think a red Snow Globe Dragon team would be able to manage her reasonably safely? I've got the dragon, an extra Naga (and I suppose I can downsize my ultimate Echidna for a while and use her if I need a higher-level one), a Titan and a Gigas, a red golem, and an assortment of ultivoed ogres. I'm inclined to try to go for a 4/2/2 build with a borrowed Flame Chaser.

Do you think that'll work? Maybe Snow Globe Rouge/Empress Of Serpents Echidna/Empress Of Serpents Echidna/Gigas/Wood Samurai Ogre/Flame Chaser? I've got nine days and most of my stuff isn't well-leveled, so I should probably get to work setting up a team in advance. And hopefully it will work for Tengu as well.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 11, 2014, 02:07:38 AM
After two runs of crap on Hera-Is, I have blown open the motherlode on run 3.

(http://i.imgur.com/Xcnfy6X.png)

I guess the third time really is the charm.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 11, 2014, 02:18:58 AM
Got a fully awakened Nebradisk and Himiko out of this weekend. Not bad.

I really want a Gaia for some reason, and I see she's coming up soon. Do you think a red Snow Globe Dragon team would be able to manage her reasonably safely? I've got the dragon, an extra Naga (and I suppose I can downsize my ultimate Echidna for a while and use her if I need a higher-level one), a Titan and a Gigas, a red golem, and an assortment of ultivoed ogres. I'm inclined to try to go for a 4/2/2 build with a borrowed Flame Chaser.

Do you think that'll work? Maybe Snow Globe Rouge/Empress Of Serpents Echidna/Empress Of Serpents Echidna/Gigas/Wood Samurai Ogre/Flame Chaser? I've got nine days and most of my stuff isn't well-leveled, so I should probably get to work setting up a team in advance. And hopefully it will work for Tengu as well.
I dont think a fire stall team can beat ceres with her fire bind + 20k attack at low hp
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 11, 2014, 03:41:30 AM
I dont think a fire stall team can beat ceres with her fire bind + 20k attack at low hp

Mmkay. That makes sense. I'll have to look at my stuff again and see what else I got that might work.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 11, 2014, 05:34:37 AM
oh jesus i missed the sticker girls getting p.buff aww ye-

OH JESUS, BLUE METATRokay, same awakenings, kinda meh tbh.

i'm sorry new ceres needs fucking what

who the hell smoked crack for that kind of absurdly mediocre upgrade to need -another copy of the fucking monster-

not to mention fucking DIOS, the fuck?

who keeps coming up with the idea to make improvements to bring cards more in lie with the meta -barred by RIDICULOUS EVOLUTION REQUIREMENTS-

this pisses me off because these evolutions are basic procedure bullshit to deal with power creep and ever since -twinlits- they've been acting like they're hot shit super special shit

edit: oh right attacker thor

:toot:

editedit: also yes I know they're reconsidering it (obviously because again, complete gacha law, actually only skirting it seems, whatev should be hella illegal tbh) but like

the solution

-a new series of evo mats, fucking kill me-
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 11, 2014, 06:32:22 AM
OH JESUS, BLUE METATRokay, same awakenings, kinda meh tbh.

B/L Metatron seems to me as a promotional, and if you pull her from the PREM then you pretty much have LMeta straight out of the bat, without needing to work on any UEvo bullshit. "Kinda meh" is right if you already have, but I would have flipped the fuck out if I pulled her instead of Ruka...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 11, 2014, 12:25:55 PM
Hmmm...I'm torn between farming dark keeper on the the dragon technical and farming green supers. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 11, 2014, 12:46:05 PM
OH JESUS, BLUE METATRokay, same awakenings, kinda meh tbh.

Not meh to me! Blue healer has been stealing light healer's spotlight for too long now but this actually makes Metatron valid again and I am so happy

...what I'm NOT happy about is that they couldn't just make it another goddamn ult for LMeta, and instead make it another special god pull from a goddamn REM that doesn't even come around but every few months. And how fair is it that she comes out of the egg already on Ult LMeta's level? God.

I'm saving every last one of my stones for this from here on. Just you see.


Meanwhile, CrystalSkull Mythical is SO EASY with Kirin and I am cracking up I'M GONNA COLLECT ALL THE CYCLOPS FOR APOLLO

Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 11, 2014, 01:57:20 PM
So I pulled a Keeper of Water from PEM, cool, because I need a bunch of those.

...

Then I pull a Kraken from PEM too. Yay, because the Kraken UEvo looks badass as all fuck
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Post by: Suikama on August 11, 2014, 02:49:53 PM
Quote
If you fuse a lvl 99 UVO god to itself, you get 1 skill up @100%
what a deal!

B/L Metatron seems to me as a promotional, and if you pull her from the PREM then you pretty much have LMeta straight out of the bat, without needing to work on any UEvo bullshit. "Kinda meh" is right if you already have, but I would have flipped the fuck out if I pulled her instead of Ruka...
i wouldn't count on ever pulling her cause apparently the odds are half a percent

yep
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Post by: trancehime on August 11, 2014, 03:10:59 PM
i wouldn't count on ever pulling her cause apparently the odds are half a percent

yep

0.5%

/me stares at the fellow JPN players who got it within the first 3 pulls

EDIT:

what a deal!

>また、ガチャの被り救済処置として、究極進化済のLv99のモンスター同士を合成することにより、スキルレベルが確実に1上がる仕様を盛り込む予定です。

oh my fucking god you weren't kidding WHAT THE FUCK???
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Post by: Suikama on August 11, 2014, 04:20:53 PM
Puzzles and Whales 2: Whale Harder
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Post by: Chaore on August 11, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
./BESERKER SCREAMING IN THE DISTANCE
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Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 11, 2014, 04:28:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/CkDfTPul.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/CkDfTPu.jpg)

Second try with healer team. Chirei's Bastet is too tank.

(also Spread Cats actually saved me against the second set of pixies somehow so)
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Post by: commandercool on August 11, 2014, 05:11:58 PM
Alright, new Gaia plan:

Vampire Lord/Witch Of The Night Lilith/Witch Of The Night Lilith/Chaos Dragon Knight/Dark Golem Mk. II/BAO Batman+Batarang

Does this look like it could work? I'd have a lot of work to go to get it set up if so, but I think it's doable. Wish I had a Batman to use as my leader, but I don't.
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Post by: triangles on August 11, 2014, 06:56:06 PM
"lookin like some cool boys sayin things like ?hi boys i see no hearts so i use ra or i use anubis im gonna pop him big boy combos? and i just am like?i wanna be like these boys. i think these boys are cool and famous i like to be them but i read that if youre a cool boy you may be going to dunkin donuts and hi can i have an iced coffee with no sugar but extra cream" (http://jerryatll.tumblr.com/)
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Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 11, 2014, 07:02:33 PM
"lookin like some cool boys sayin things like ?hi boys i see no hearts so i use ra or i use anubis im gonna pop him big boy combos? and i just am like?i wanna be like these boys. i think these boys are cool and famous i like to be them but i read that if youre a cool boy you may be going to dunkin donuts and hi can i have an iced coffee with no sugar but extra cream" (http://jerryatll.tumblr.com/)

"sittin at my desk drinkin juicy juice i see this and i spit itout u may wonder why? because this is the most overpowers monster i?ve seen. i think if you pair her with red odin u may have urself a ?red? festival. did u ever go to that city where they had the taco stand and you ate the tacos and put ketchup on the tacos? valk llooks like one of those in this pic and im already thinkin of using her as a main character in my new book im writing (??pozzles and dragons: a kid runs in the grass?)"
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Post by: Suikama on August 11, 2014, 07:15:56 PM
"some may say u cant spell right im gonna tell u this stop looking at the hair color of girls in a video game. look outside and see the bark on the tree and say to yourself bring me the trees and i will bring you the love"
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Post by: Conqueror on August 11, 2014, 10:16:31 PM
Ground out mystic light dragon with resist + odin team. So glad I pulled a Luci, otherwise I'd be stuck pinging the boss every 12 turns for a sliver of damage. Stall teams are suffering.
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 11, 2014, 10:34:16 PM
One-stoned Mystic light dragon because screw orbmatching and screw getting my ares friend binded and - I was seriously one turn away from victory ;_;

Well that's number two, considering that we're doing the mystic dragons in reverse order that probably means that green is next, which means no red, which means bring out the luci.

I would do mechdragons but the uvo requires golden keepers and sure I have two of them but lolnope. I'll stick to normal betelgeuse.
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 12, 2014, 01:08:31 AM
As for my own Light Mystic Dragon endeavors, only I could use Sakuya in a no-dark dungeon and get orb-trolled four times in one run. Still salvaged a no-stone, though.
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Post by: trancehime on August 12, 2014, 01:20:35 AM
"some may say u cant spell right im gonna tell u this stop looking at the hair color of girls in a video game. look outside and see the bark on the tree and say to yourself bring me the trees and i will bring you the love"

"well here it is i read it in a book a wise book somenoe let me borrow said "once ur a boy ur a girl" and here it is in the flesh this is the thing they meant"
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Post by: Edible on August 12, 2014, 02:08:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH5J0DT1p1Y

Wow.
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 12, 2014, 02:27:45 AM
holy shit.
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 12, 2014, 02:45:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH5J0DT1p1Y
are you for fucking real
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Post by: Suikama on August 12, 2014, 02:58:39 AM
well it is a gungho game so it's not that surprising...
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Post by: trancehime on August 12, 2014, 03:14:41 AM
well it is a gungho game so it's not that surprising...

tamadra pet pls giff me one

:( tamadra is the cutest thing.
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Post by: commandercool on August 12, 2014, 12:39:37 PM
Accidentally went into Keeper Of Rainbow with the wrong team (I keep saying I shouldn't play first thing in the morning, keep doing it anyway) and Valkyrie was like "Keeper, get out of life" and just beat him to death with pure damage. Now if we can just get Poring Tower and Naga Dungeon back my team will basically be done and ready to maybe handle some descends probably.
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Post by: Edible on August 12, 2014, 01:47:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/oAERq09.jpg)

DISCO HERA-UR ULT EVO

<3<3<3
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Post by: trancehime on August 12, 2014, 01:55:02 PM
Accidentally went into Keeper Of Rainbow with the wrong team (I keep saying I shouldn't play first thing in the morning, keep doing it anyway) and Valkyrie was like "Keeper, get out of life" and just beat him to death with pure damage. Now if we can just get Poring Tower and Naga Dungeon back my team will basically be done and ready to maybe handle some descends probably.

It's funny because the Japanese servers have had RO Collab and Poring Tower dungeons running concurrently for this week during the Summer Event, also coinciding with GungHo's decision to implement a PAD dungeon for RO as Edible posted the video link earlier. I gotta admit, the Colored Orb enchants and the Cute Pet Lits are really something.

DISCO HERA-UR ULT EVO

Yeah, there's a lot of mixed opinions about it. Judging from the art, it's pretty likely a Devilit and a Dub-Rubylit is involved in the UEvo.

In other news, some maniac decided to marathon Legendary Seaway for 48 hours. He reached Rank 900. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu15IRTCIAIdD7N.jpg) He had a full +297 DMeta team for it.
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Post by: Edible on August 12, 2014, 01:56:04 PM
mixed opinions

Mixed opinions can get bent, that's so much better than the previous art :V
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Post by: trancehime on August 12, 2014, 02:00:52 PM
Mixed opinions can get bent, that's so much better than the previous art :V

I personally like this ultimate evolution's art (remember I'm the one with Hera-Ur as an avatar right now :V) but I noticed that the haters think she's too kawaii

They can suck on a fat one
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Post by: Suikama on August 12, 2014, 02:14:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/oAERq09.jpg)

DISCO HERA-UR ULT EVO

<3<3<3
call helepolis
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Post by: Yukarin on August 12, 2014, 02:57:23 PM
I want her

oh my god when's next hera-ur descend
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Post by: Edible on August 12, 2014, 02:58:54 PM
oh my god when's next hera-ur descend

Friday.
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Post by: trancehime on August 12, 2014, 02:59:26 PM
I want her

oh my god when's next hera-ur descend

PDX says August 15th, but I'm not sure. It's irrelevant to me though since I follow Japanese times and schedules.
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Post by: Yukarin on August 12, 2014, 03:04:50 PM
best believe i'm going to get her

even if it takes devilits

BUT PLEASE GOD NONE OF THOSE JEWELS PLEASE
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Post by: triangles on August 12, 2014, 03:16:37 PM
 :getdown: :getdown: :getdown:  DISCO HERA AWWWYEAH :getdown: :getdown: :getdown:
PLEASE TAKE DEVILITS
TAKE AS MANY AS YOU WANT I HAVE LIKE 9 STILL IN MY BOX COLLECTING DUST
THIS IS THE BEST OUTFIT EVER
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Post by: Chaore on August 12, 2014, 03:39:29 PM
best believe i'm going to get her

even if it takes devilits

BUT PLEASE GOD NONE OF THOSE JEWELS PLEASE

Jewels are probably included, they seem to be the standard for descend ultis these days.
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Post by: Jq1790 on August 12, 2014, 03:42:14 PM
Wait, that WASN'T a piece of fanart?  GungHo making some interesting decisions here for sure.  First beach episode Metatron, now this.
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Post by: Chaore on August 12, 2014, 03:46:13 PM
Wait, that WASN'T a piece of fanart?  GungHo making some interesting decisions here for sure.  First beach episode Metatron, now this.

Cash grabs for your waifus.

I imagine she'll be mediocre, and they needed to make her appeal to the masses somehow.
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Post by: Edible on August 12, 2014, 03:55:33 PM
The only thing keeping Ur from being a staple in many teams is her awful awakenings

If she gets even a few decent ones she'll be extremely solid
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Post by: triangles on August 12, 2014, 06:20:46 PM
On the other hand I will use her on principle alone once I can have  :getdown: :toot: :getdown: DISCO HERA OH YEAH :getdown: :toot: :getdown: this transcends pure waifu-ness folks.

In other news I am running that Water Knight dungeon forever for Sun Quan skillups because I am never going to going to skill up Sandalphon see you all in 2 weeks.
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Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 12, 2014, 06:22:42 PM
I use Hera Ur every day so I'll be getting the fire in the disco version asap.  I disagree with a lit if the negative comments about the flavor because I think taking something like pad too seriously is a mistake
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Post by: Thaws on August 12, 2014, 06:29:08 PM
On the other hand I will use her on principle alone once I can have  :getdown: :toot: :getdown: DISCO HERA OH YEAH :getdown: :toot: :getdown: this transcends pure waifu-ness folks.

In other news I am running that Water Knight dungeon forever for Sun Quan skillups because I am never going to going to skill up Sandalphon see you all in 2 weeks.

Good luck. Freakin seahorse drops like MAD. And outside of drop rate ups, nothing ever drops on that floor. So glad my Sun Quan maxed with 15 of them.

Wait, that WASN'T a piece of fanart?  GungHo making some interesting decisions here for sure.  First beach episode Metatron, now this.

Apparently it's based on a joke where in a namahousou, they were using this new draw stuff on screen feature (?) and murai accidentally drew two up arrows besides Hera-Ur.  YamamotoP then joked this would be Hera-Ur's ult.
He wasn't joking. Best game producer ever.

Source: http://minpuzz.com/blog-entry-3750.html?sp
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Post by: triangles on August 12, 2014, 06:54:27 PM
I think taking something like pad too seriously is a mistake
(http://i.imgur.com/yb0fQ6Y.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/8iGgS0b.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/bk5E8qM.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/lO00LSK.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/85TWrx4.jpg)
PUZZLE AND DRAGONS:  SERIOUS BUSINESS
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Post by: Chaore on August 12, 2014, 07:55:38 PM
also there is apparently something about it being a pun on the japanese name being 'hell-raiser' or something

unreliable sources, etc.

really i'm somewhat nonplussed still, i'll prolly enjoy the art more later when less grump
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 12, 2014, 08:21:51 PM
Goddess of the Disco Inferno, Hera-Ur? After  reading Vento Aureo I'm picturing Hera-Ur calling forth the lits as a stand.
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 12, 2014, 09:12:34 PM
Seven or eight cyclops so far.

Not a single fucking skill up yet for Apollo. This game is and forever will be bullshit.
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Post by: Chaore on August 12, 2014, 09:27:43 PM
Seven or eight cyclops so far.

Not a single fucking skill up yet for Apollo. This game is and forever will be bullshit.

don't worry, just get an absurd amount of apollo and max level/ultimate them
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Post by: Jq1790 on August 12, 2014, 09:28:39 PM
Oh.  Right.  I do own one of those, don't I...?  Not sure I really wanna go through that mess though, although I probably should since I could use him in place of a Valk which I don't have for a light team sub.  Cyclops drops easily enough on all difficulties, or is it pretty much 'play the high ones or you're in for a terrible time'?

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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 12, 2014, 09:30:00 PM
I've managed to get an evo'd one in almost every Mythical run I've completed so far, which really expedites the process because Cyclops needs a keeper of light and two topalits to evolve (like, for real? fuck you, gungho.)
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 12, 2014, 09:42:54 PM
I'm still sitting on all these dark chasers. Wish I could trade in these light keepers for dark ones.
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Post by: triangles on August 12, 2014, 09:56:23 PM
Hahaha I had that stupid fairy invade on Water Knight on the Sun Quan teddy bear floor gungho pls
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Post by: Suikama on August 12, 2014, 11:10:54 PM
the fairies can actually be used for low cost dungeons though :derp:
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 13, 2014, 12:50:33 AM
the fairies can actually be used for low cost dungeons though :derp:

Most of them are green though.
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Post by: trancehime on August 13, 2014, 12:54:38 AM
also there is apparently something about it being a pun on the japanese name being 'hell-raiser' or something

Hera-Ur's Japanese name is ヘラウルズ which when vocalized as one word, sounds like mangled "hellraiser"

In the same way that when you say Hera-Is' Japanese name, it sounds like "hell-ice"

EDIT: https://twitter.com/trancehime/status/499439992276402178/photo/1 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa wat?
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Post by: commandercool on August 13, 2014, 12:37:45 PM
Hmm, the quest to figure out how to beat Gaia is not going well. I regret not throw a single pull at the Batman REM now, although if I was to do that just to get one Gaia and then probably never use what I got again I might as well try to make a team that can five-stone her and just buy her directly. Although I'm not certain I can do that either. I've been considering a Balanced team with two King Woodsies, a skillmaxed Baron, and a Robin friend hoping that I can burst enough, but I don't know what my leader would be and that still sounds questionable. I feel like my best bet is hoping a Chaser falls into my lap through the Pal machine at some point. If we had a Mechdragon other than the blue one up I might even fish for invades, but that's ultimately a huge waste of time anyway since I don't really want the dragon and probably wouldn't use the chaser again.
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Post by: Yukarin on August 13, 2014, 12:54:32 PM
wat?

uhhm okay

wow
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Post by: trancehime on August 13, 2014, 01:47:59 PM
uhhm okay

wow

I think the game is starting to take pity on me by giving me stuff I won't be needing until ages away. What am I going to do with this Flame Jewel?
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 13, 2014, 02:05:34 PM
I think the game is starting to take pity on me by giving me stuff I won't be needing until ages away. What am I going to do with this Flame Jewel?

You can try using it as a sub.
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Post by: trancehime on August 13, 2014, 02:32:49 PM
You can try using it as a sub.

I will prefer the KoG as a sub, thanks very much.
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Post by: Suikama on August 13, 2014, 02:39:25 PM
Disco Hera-Ur will probably need a red fire jewel since she tends to gives them out in her dungeon

and also cause she's fire
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 13, 2014, 04:12:29 PM
I YOLO tackled Izanamo Legendary with Kirin/TAMADRApurin/Bastet/Echidna/that blue Golem thing/Kirin...
The combination of a delay and a damage reduction makes it really easy to survive. Bastet cockblocked two poisons, too.
But I messed up my own matching versus Izanami so many times that I got to use my Kirin gravities twice. Still no-stoned, but you know...
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Post by: Edible on August 13, 2014, 06:47:24 PM
Beelzebub's active is getting changed to a lower cooldown, removing the water orb enhance, and adding a 4649 HP heal :V

HILARIOUS JAPANESE JOKES
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Post by: Suikama on August 13, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
it also screws over anyone who spent stones on skilling him up yay
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Post by: Jq1790 on August 13, 2014, 07:38:15 PM
Well, got my Echidna ult'd, figured the temporary Rcv drop won't completely cripple me and the higher Atk can only help.  Also finally randomly got my Siren max skilled(was randomly doing a Challenge Mode dungeon to burn off some excess stamina while I hunt Dragon Fruits in Tower to the Sky) and got the last up thanks to the two Marine Goblins I found in Twin Temple Apollo(te place I was burning off the stamina).  Should be a useful thing having that at five turns, right?
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Post by: Thaws on August 13, 2014, 07:53:53 PM
it also screws over anyone who spent stones on skilling him up yay

This so much.
Doesn't affect me but this is not a good precedent.
The reset is done to so obviously push the new lv99 skill rise thing, but if skill can change just like that, who'd dare doing skill ups again?
Really hoping they can rethink this whole change skill name = new skill reset lv thing. It limits what can be done to buff old characters and sucks to people who wasted lots of stamina on skill ups.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 13, 2014, 08:54:13 PM
Disco Hera-Ur will probably need a red fire jewel since she tends to gives them out in her dungeon

and also cause she's fire

She gives Kirin jewels though.

This so much.
Doesn't affect me but this is not a good precedent.
The reset is done to so obviously push the new lv99 skill rise thing, but if skill can change just like that, who'd dare doing skill ups again?
Really hoping they can rethink this whole change skill name = new skill reset lv thing. It limits what can be done to buff old characters and sucks to people who wasted lots of stamina on skill ups.

Well, it starts at the same level you would had you bothered to max skill him in the first place. Who uses Beelze bub though? He has no rows so...
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Post by: Suikama on August 14, 2014, 12:22:09 AM
oh last event i was sure she was red

i guess jewels arent really tied to specific descends at all, just the order they appear in an event
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Post by: Jq1790 on August 14, 2014, 01:16:40 AM
Coulda sworn it was Sakuya last time, too.  I remember that feeling kind of weird that they didn't match the element of the descend like I'd figured they would.  *shrug*

Not enough tiiiime before Ur comes back for me. Oh well, I need like 16 more cost to do one thing I want to do anyway, namely evolve Gigas.  I'm sure she'll be back soon enough.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 14, 2014, 01:35:38 AM
oh last event i was sure she was red

i guess jewels arent really tied to specific descends at all, just the order they appear in an event

I think they are. Those descending dungeons will just always appear in that order.

Why wasn't anyone complaining when Zaerog got the Beelze treatment. Is it because he already had another ult?
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Post by: trancehime on August 14, 2014, 01:39:01 AM
I think they are. Those descending dungeons will just always appear in that order.

Why wasn't anyone complaining when Zaerog got the Beelze treatment. Is it because he already had another ult?

people were too busy gawking at Pirate Dragon Lord Zaerog's really dumb as shit uevo requirements (All 5 colored Dragon Pirates) to really notice

Beelzebub's active is getting changed to a lower cooldown, removing the water orb enhance, and adding a 4649 HP heal :V

HILARIOUS JAPANESE JOKES

yo~ ro~ shi~ ku~ ne~
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 14, 2014, 02:55:26 AM
@Zaerog

Probably because the cooldown is lower than max-skilled normal zaerog (IIRC) and they aren't forced to do it since it's an uvo with another branching path.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 14, 2014, 03:22:44 AM
@Zaerog

Probably because the cooldown is lower than max-skilled normal zaerog (IIRC) and they aren't forced to do it since it's an uvo with another branching path.

It's a little bit higher than max-skilled, but you can skill it to normal. Technically, they aren't forced to do anything at all. Personally, I think it's a buff, because I don't see why anyone would use Beelzebub to enhance blue orbs when Wadatsumi and Aldebaran running around, assuming they were unlucky with Kraken.
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Post by: Chaore on August 14, 2014, 03:37:28 AM
It's a little bit higher than max-skilled, but you can skill it to normal. Technically, they aren't forced to do anything at all. Personally, I think it's a buff, because I don't see why anyone would use Beelzebub to enhance blue orbs when Wadatsumi and Aldebaran running around, assuming they were unlucky with Kraken.

because he did both mainly

also 35% grav is p.terrible so i don't think anyone actually cared so
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Post by: trancehime on August 14, 2014, 03:48:32 PM
because he did both mainly

also 35% grav is p.terrible so i don't think anyone actually cared so

he just looks cool

that's about it really

EDIT:

(http://puu.sh/aShT6/bdc281b914.png)

someone fucking kill me
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Post by: Suikama on August 14, 2014, 04:55:38 PM
Hera-Beorc is still one the the worst fucking descends

but at least i got genbu jewel
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Post by: Chaore on August 14, 2014, 06:17:49 PM
Hera-Beorc is still one the the worst fucking descends

but at least i got genbu jewel

should totally do it to skill up my genbu amirite
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 14, 2014, 07:36:52 PM
After failing once in the past and once this morning, revenge could not be any sweeter.

(http://i.imgur.com/2GCbF3e.png)

and then the icing on the cake

(http://i.imgur.com/AKZtIMR.png)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 15, 2014, 12:21:08 AM
mythical thursday decided to cooperate this time, so super griffin get :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 15, 2014, 01:31:08 AM
eva collab incoming prepare your butts
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 15, 2014, 01:59:40 AM
eva collab incoming prepare your butts

YAAAAAAAY! You did it PAD, have my money. I'm out, non-IAP masterrace. :D Just this once...

Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 15, 2014, 02:05:39 AM
eva collab incoming prepare your butts

I...I'm still not sure what to do, two rolls for Asuka probably isn't enough, and I only need one level on my FA luci...

...I could skill up my spare grodins? Maybe?
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Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 15, 2014, 02:36:26 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/geAdM06l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/geAdM06.jpg)

Of course Chirei got Sharulu on his first run of this and xcbknlsjvhoiigdhglkr
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 15, 2014, 02:37:21 AM
gonna collect a fuckload of godin skillups and not get a single actual skillup

like always :persona:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 15, 2014, 02:54:55 AM
This solves my Gaia problem too. I can just ride the Asuka train. Better stop power-leveling my dark stuff and work on attackers. And tomorrow's even Ruby Dragons so I can load up on King Flamies.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 15, 2014, 03:49:49 AM
This solves my Gaia problem too. I can just ride the Asuka train. Better stop power-leveling my dark stuff and work on attackers. And tomorrow's even Ruby Dragons so I can load up on King Flamies.

oh damnit, that'd hella work for me too for tengu prolly

Edit: relatedly, HEY EDIBLE I JUST REALIZED, SUPER CATTE MARK 2 MIGHT END UP A THING IN THE FUTURE WITH THIS NEW ULTIMATE ON TOP OF AN ULTIMATE BULLSHIT
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 15, 2014, 08:02:07 AM
So the game decides it's funny to only give me Dub-Emelits, now I have 9 dub-emelits.

So I casually throw the PEM, and this fucking thing shows up:

(http://i.imgur.com/pIgpvQw.png)

I don't know what shit you're trying to do PAD but it confuses me

EDIT

http://mobile.gungho.jp/gcc/ --> http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/140815_gungho.html

Japan's getting a NEW, RENEWED Super GungHo Collaboration series to celebrate 50 million total downloads across all Gungho apps (https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/500172934384603136). All Gungho games will be receiving collaboration dungeons/trials/etc., and PAD is no exception. For PAD, monster from LORD AND DRAGON will be making an appearance.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 15, 2014, 08:20:04 AM
I don't know what shit you're trying to do PAD but it confuses me

what the fuck
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 15, 2014, 08:24:41 AM
I forgot to mention it in my post, but the following monsters may receive new evolutions:

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=665
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=663
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on August 15, 2014, 08:30:25 AM
I forgot to mention it in my post, but the following monsters may receive new evolutions:

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=665
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=663

I thought they just meant they might drop in their evolved forms now for easier skill upping.
The dungeon sounds like crowded with so many skill up monsters in there now
I didn't even realize they released so many barely usable PADZ stuff in the gacha until now that they're releasing skill ups for them.  :V



Done with Porin tower after Blue Valk getting 6 skill ups from just eating 20 of the blue porins. woot
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 15, 2014, 08:42:55 AM
I thought they just meant they might drop in their evolved forms now for easier skill upping.
The dungeon sounds like crowded with so many skill up monsters in there now
I didn't even realize they released so many barely usable PADZ stuff in the gacha until now that they're releasing skill ups for them.  :V

Ah, yeah, I think that's the case. Well, still. It's something
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on August 15, 2014, 09:20:42 AM
THE REM HAS ANSWERED MY PRAYERS.

(http://i.imgur.com/oEsiquh.png)

WATER HEALER TEAM OHHH YESS
I have everything but I&I Max skilled, I just need Groove Coaster Collab to come around again...
I even saved ten Blue Invaders from last time just because I feel like I'm gonna get I&I someday, so now they're already at skill lv4. wooot :V
Siren is the weakest link here, maybe I can stuck my Bastet in it just for the HP and RCV.
 :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: I'm so freakin happy right now :getdown: :getdown: :getdown:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 15, 2014, 02:45:20 PM
THE REM HAS ANSWERED MY PRAYERS.

Congratulations!

I wanted a I&I too, but instead I got Belial.

Oh well, a gold egg is a gold egg for me at this stage.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 15, 2014, 03:37:32 PM
i'm ready for disco inferno with the one devilit I have too :toot:

(http://i.imgur.com/ihFOMsj.png)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 15, 2014, 07:30:29 PM
Sakuya has yet to invade. Though I'm not stoning this. What are the chances of her invading on Legend difficulty.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 15, 2014, 07:41:01 PM
goddammit got skyfalled and melted floor 1 and hera ur then died to floor 2 because i had no skills up and it just one hits you at 50%
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 15, 2014, 07:49:37 PM
Ah, yeah, I think that's the case. Well, still. It's something

It's actually super important, since they were absolute bullshit before.

That's hella great.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 15, 2014, 11:18:13 PM
welp hera-ur mythical is complete bs

let's try farming legend

5 stones later and nothing

it cannot be stated enough times how stupid this game really is
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 15, 2014, 11:31:34 PM
welp hera-ur mythical is complete bs

let's try farming legend

5 stones later and nothing

it cannot be stated enough times how stupid this game really is

Yeah, I'm stilling trying to get Athena, and haven't got anything either. Not stoning it though.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 16, 2014, 12:12:32 AM
i just need one more light orb fuuuckkkk
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 16, 2014, 12:25:53 AM
The difficulty jump between hera-ur legend and mythical is hilarious.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 16, 2014, 12:26:24 AM
It just occurred to me, does this surprise Gala Of Darkness effect the Eva egg machine? I kind of really want an Asuka ASAP but I don't want even more Kaworus than I was going to get anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on August 16, 2014, 12:43:44 AM
The difficulty jump between hera-ur legend and mythical is hilarious.
I do think it's cool though that it's not simply a number jump, but that skills act differently, too.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 16, 2014, 12:56:38 AM
It just occurred to me, does this surprise Gala Of Darkness effect the Eva egg machine? I kind of really want an Asuka ASAP but I don't want even more Kaworus than I was going to get anyway.
I doubt it does but enjoy your Reis and Shinjis :v

I'm excited I got an Isis now, but then I remembered I also have a FA Luci and Odin and the Sun Quan teddy bear lizards still and and
pls send help
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 16, 2014, 02:52:29 AM
Got lucky this time.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 16, 2014, 04:36:17 AM
Meanwhile I YOLO through Hera-Ur Legend using Sakuya master race.

The dungeon wasn't that bad, though I killed the first wave way too early. X25 attack too good.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 16, 2014, 04:40:38 AM
Meanwhile I YOLO through Hera-Ur Legend using Sakuya master race.

The dungeon wasn't that bad, though I killed the first wave way too early. X25 attack too good.

Why Gabe?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 16, 2014, 04:44:31 AM
Gabriel had the highest recovery and HP of all the blue mobs I had. The emergency plan, if I didn't have water orbs, was to use Gabriel, then Valkyrie to get Light out of Dark+Heal.

The only other option I had was B/L Siegfried whose RCV is poo and the Water-golem thing whose RCV is equally bad.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 16, 2014, 04:46:02 AM
Meanwhile I use B/L Sieg on my team! His HP is pretty damn awesome. But now I wanna put Gabriel on my team because oh god yes <3
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 16, 2014, 04:54:23 AM
I just use Hera-Is. I plan on replacing her with Izanami though.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 16, 2014, 04:57:50 AM
If I had L/B Izanami things would be so great.
I don't think I need Siegfried's HP when four of my members are already Physical types - especially beeftank TAMADRApurin.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 16, 2014, 05:03:24 AM
The thing is (and I see Fast Fanatic rolling with the same idea) we run TAMADRApurin in our teams not just because he's a huge stat stick but also because he's a mini-slime with his 2x atk for light active. So basically he works for Light in a similar way to how Bubblie would work for physicals. The problem here is that Bubblie is nigh useless outside of its burst-- a waste of a slot basically. Sure, x75 is a lot more than x50, but you're also getting a lot more choices for variety on the team that way too.

My current Kirin team is Kirin/TAMADRApurin/UltGOdin/B/L Sieg/Apollo-- everyone has light in some form-- and running it this way gets Odin the x50 as well, instead of being left behind when Bubblie is used. Using Gabriel instead of Siegfried is the same idea. And his RCV is to die for tbh (and his atk is better than B/L Sieg's is)-- AND he gets an autoheal on top of that. All for the cost of ~1500 HP, which is Sieg's advantage. But with my team, I'll be getting 2500 autoheal plus awesome RCV on top of that.

...in fact, why am I not running LMeta on this team?

Holy shit, why have I forgotten LMeta-- that would make THREE bindproof team members, as well as one that can get rid of binds in case Kirin or Apollo get hit.

I need to look into this. Her HP is just a bit lower than Ult Gabe's, but her ATK is just maaaarginally better and her RCV is better. I never really use Sieg's active and I don't see myself using Gabe's much either (though heartmaking is welcome), but LMeta has an active, bind-clearing heal-- and she gets Bind Recovery too, which is great because I already just match hearts when I'm stalling anyway...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Bio on August 16, 2014, 06:13:44 AM
LMeta is pretty much one of the best all-purpose blue sub for Kirin. 2 skill boost, light main, good stats and can cleric the team.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 16, 2014, 02:32:35 PM
poorlifechoices.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/MLSCgxM.png?1)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 16, 2014, 03:09:25 PM
LMeta is pretty much one of the best all-purpose blue sub for Kirin. 2 skill boost, light main, good stats and can cleric the team.

Yes, I think I will go for this in a few rankups-- I'm 9 cost short of being able to replace Sieg with her.

Man, I never thought I would have cost issues ever again at rank 180 but here we are
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 16, 2014, 03:20:40 PM
Yes, I think I will go for this in a few rankups-- I'm 9 cost short of being able to replace Sieg with her.

Man, I never thought I would have cost issues ever again at rank 180 but here we are

Yeah, I remember having to wait to field my Satan team too.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on August 16, 2014, 04:17:54 PM
Oh, sweet.  Today apparently was my 300th login.  Two extra Godfest pulls get (at 11pm for me, but still.)

After some chats on the IRC last night I can now safely say all but like 4 of the godfest things would be good for me.  Excited to see how it goes.  (in before another Apollo for no reason)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 17, 2014, 12:23:04 AM
That incredible moment when I fed a blue snowglobe to Ruka and get a 2x experience.
Instant max level. Awaiting ultimate evolution warmly.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 17, 2014, 03:06:05 AM
BLUE ODIN GET

I don't even care if he's not a blue healer I am happy
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 17, 2014, 03:08:30 AM
Meanwhile I got a Drall. Somehow didn't have that already, so I guess that completes my toydragon collection?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 17, 2014, 03:11:44 AM
Did two pulls. Was hesitant on the second.

Pull one - Vritra+. Sweet! He's pretty badass.

I take about five minutes to decide if I want to pull again, so I do.

(http://i.imgur.com/MiuUOMC.png)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 17, 2014, 03:17:28 AM
Uh... I got Liu Bei.

What... exactly is he good for?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on August 17, 2014, 03:18:00 AM
Welp, people will hate me even more now.  3 of 4 rolls were hits, including TWO specials.

(http://i.imgur.com/KdsLSYX.jpg)

(Picture of sleeping Beauty goes here)

(http://i.imgur.com/wtUVEMU.jpg)

And for the clincher fourth pull?

(http://i.imgur.com/vxJPXIT.jpg)

Uh... I got Liu Bei.

What... exactly is he good for?
He's a great sub for Wood teams, first off.

Also  y'know his LS makes for a decent Attacker leader if you don' get hit.  Then again, most Attacker teams probably just crumple if they're touched anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 17, 2014, 03:25:35 AM
Welp, people will hate me even more now.  3 of 4 rolls were hits, including TWO specials.

(http://i.imgur.com/KdsLSYX.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/gqFPmkc.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/wtUVEMU.jpg)

And for the clincher fourth pull?

(http://i.imgur.com/vxJPXIT.jpg)

Wow, fantastic pulls.

It's a shame you got vrita, that'd make it 4/4 if you didn't >:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 17, 2014, 03:27:20 AM
Wow, okay you guys talked me into doing one pull. I want some of this magical fairy super luck.

Oh boy. Another vampire. Hooray.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Conqueror on August 17, 2014, 03:33:11 AM
IT BEGINS

Gryps Rider
Succubus
Shaitan
Sun Quan
Grape Dragon
Lu Bu

Quite pleased. That's 4/5 of the 3 Kingdoms now, although I really wanted Cao Cao for my attackers. But really happy about Sun Quan, gonna try out my DQXQ healer burst team now.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 17, 2014, 04:10:44 AM
Comedy rolled.

Cinderella.

Not the fairy tale I was looking for, and like, no use, but I'll take it I guess?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Dr Rawr on August 17, 2014, 04:23:02 AM
I rolled 3 times. I can now have a full godin team if I wanted. Also got a dqxq which makes me feel a little better
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 17, 2014, 04:48:39 AM
rolled and got ANOTHER ANGEL WHAT IS THIS
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on August 17, 2014, 04:58:17 AM
One pull for lulz. Already-evo grape dagon. On-gala too so level 30. :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Zerviscos on August 17, 2014, 06:04:43 AM
Did 4 rolls.

Divinegon...like what, he's not even Dark, and not even part of the Godfest.
Grape Dragon. Okayy...
Lilith. Ugh...seriously?
Sleeping Beauty

I mean, sure. Sleeping Beauty's good and all, but that doesn't compensate for my previous pulls.
I really need a Ronia to complete my Devil team or atleast Metatron or DQXQ for my healer team.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 17, 2014, 06:36:46 AM
Uh... I got Liu Bei.

What... exactly is he good for?

Green Attacker isn't a thing yet, but he's pretty strong. I used him for a little on my Suzaku team as a sub/heartbreaker. Could have been a lot worse.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 17, 2014, 06:49:40 AM
Green attacker is rapidly becoming a thing. Hang in there and gather more green attacker REMs. :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 17, 2014, 07:17:17 AM
Green Attacker isn't a thing yet, but he's pretty strong. I used him for a little on my Suzaku team as a sub/heartbreaker. Could have been a lot worse.

Green attackers are so cute and kawaii (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1417)

Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: ActionDan on August 17, 2014, 07:19:54 AM
3 pulls.

Light valk
Cao Cao
Sun quan

Pretty good
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: ActionDan on August 17, 2014, 07:24:54 AM
IT BEGINS

Gryps Rider
Succubus
Shaitan
Sun Quan
Grape Dragon
Lu Bu

Quite pleased. That's 4/5 of the 3 Kingdoms now, although I really wanted Cao Cao for my attackers. But really happy about Sun Quan, gonna try out my DQXQ healer burst team now.

High five
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 17, 2014, 07:25:26 AM
Green attacker is rapidly becoming a thing. Hang in there and gather more green attacker REMs. :V

piccolo where are you come save us
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 17, 2014, 03:15:36 PM
I should have expected another duplicate gold egg drop.
Guess what I got.
Incarnation of Byakko, Haku.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 17, 2014, 03:24:11 PM
My yoloroll resulted in a verche

Woo.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 17, 2014, 03:53:49 PM
I'm tempted to roll, especially because if I got a Lu Bu, my sister would be mad(she went sleeping beauty, Shaitan, SB, Shaitan.) I care too much about rolling during Norse stuff though, so that will have to wait.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 17, 2014, 03:59:41 PM
Oh, just yoloroll.  What's the worst that could happen? :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 17, 2014, 04:01:29 PM
~*~golem~*~

oh right my yoloroll was Echidna wooo.
Could have been worse.
Could have been a plain ol' Naga  :V :V :V :V :V :V :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 17, 2014, 04:10:21 PM
I should have expected another duplicate gold egg drop.
Guess what I got.
Incarnation of Byakko, Haku.

that makes if your third? goddamn
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 17, 2014, 04:43:52 PM
Nah, just my second. But I got doubles of Gabriel and Ronia.
I suppose nothing goes better on a D/D Haku than more D/D Haku. Or go D/R and replace Echidna on the team.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 17, 2014, 05:02:21 PM
Ronia / Ronia / DD Haku / DD Haku / King Baddie / Ronia

Do it.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 17, 2014, 05:04:32 PM
Ronia / Ronia / DD Haku / DD Haku / King Baddie / Ronia

Do it.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 17, 2014, 05:29:55 PM
Halfway to this magical team as well! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIf6AVehYw)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 17, 2014, 06:20:15 PM
Halfway to this magical team as well! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIf6AVehYw)
i cant tell what's worse

gungho's greed or people's willingness to feed it
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 17, 2014, 07:37:32 PM
Been trying to skillmax a Rowdy Red Samurai Goblin for my low-cost Attacker team. 21 Samurai Goblins later and not one skillup. The game's all like "sure, you can have every single Samurai Goblin in Tower To The Sky as a drop, but you can't do anything with them". Thanks game. I expect five skillups in five goblins at some point later.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 17, 2014, 10:19:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/2LelHLZl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/2LelHLZ.jpg)

Trust me, I'm just as surprised as at least some of you are.

One stone spent on Hera-Ur when I didn't have enough orbs to finish her off after 3grav+2MS (if you get her below the threshold for Released Magical Power and she hasn't used Eternal Thirst yet, she won't use Eternal Thirst), and potentially would have needed a lot more on, of all things, wave 1 if the cyclops and minotaur were synced. I expect you need quite a few +eggs to make that not a problem. Or a dark heartmaker, but my DJ isn't max skilled so I stuck with Siren.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 18, 2014, 12:10:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/2LelHLZl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/2LelHLZ.jpg)
One stone spent on Hera-Ur when I didn't have enough orbs to finish her off after 3grav+2MS (if you get her below the threshold for Released Magical Power and she hasn't used Eternal Thirst yet, she won't use Eternal Thirst), and potentially would have needed a lot more on, of all things, wave 1 if the cyclops and minotaur were synced. I expect you need quite a few +eggs to make that not a problem. Or a dark heartmaker, but my DJ isn't max skilled so I stuck with Siren.

I have a maxed DJ, but no Luci :(

I'm surprised I see so few max-skilled DJs. I guess it's because Luci fell out of favor.

They need to nerf Graviton Earth Dragon and boost the gold and experience to be more in line with Goddess of the Harvest. Would have been great for my mono-blue. I don't mind farming Goddess of the Harvest, but I only have two Ares friends. I use Satan from time to time, but sometimes mistakes happen.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on August 18, 2014, 02:42:48 AM
FINALLY made it past Guardian Dragon of God.

I am tired of those dragons already.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 18, 2014, 03:39:46 AM
FINALLY made it past Guardian Dragon of God.

I am tired of those dragons already.

I know right. Goddess of the Harvest is much easier, but for some reason, it gives out way more xp and money than GDoG does.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on August 18, 2014, 03:57:01 AM
I know right. Goddess of the Harvest is much easier, but for some reason, it gives out way more xp and money than GDoG does.
Yet I still managed to die to it the first time because I didn't activate Lilith when I should have to help burn down one 'buncle, so they both hit me dealing almost 20,000 damage/  Alas.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 18, 2014, 04:32:35 AM
i didnt have enough stones for a roll so i threw them at zeus vulcan instead
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 18, 2014, 04:34:20 AM
FINALLY made it past Guardian Dragon of God.

I am tired of those dragons already.

I also just beat it today. Cleopatra finally gave me a way to do it safely. Probably could have managed with just my normal team setup and really good play, but I didn't want to risk messing it up and wasting the stamina. The next few are quite a lot easier (although yeah, still watch out for Carbuncles).

Up to 30 Samurai Goblins and still no skillup. What the fuck game.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 18, 2014, 04:40:44 AM
I also just beat it today. Cleopatra finally gave me a way to do it safely. Probably could have managed with just my normal team setup and really good play, but I didn't want to risk messing it up and wasting the stamina. The next few are quite a lot easier (although yeah, still watch out for Carbuncles).

Up to 30 Samurai Goblins and still no skillup. What the fuck game.

I must be the luckiest person when it comes to skillups in here then.

Max skilled echidna and Cu Chu, almost max skilled siegfried, currently 2/2 on tyrannos skillups, 1/1 on persephone skillups (it was not on a x2 chance) and two max skilled fire heartbreakers (Rowdy Red Samurai Goblin and Gigas.)

Wonder if I should skillup Liu Bei once the green dragon knight dungeon comes up, I don't intend to use him but it could be useful in the long-term

Plus, I got nothing to do until tuesday (keeper of dark) and thursday (dragon fruits) or valkyrie descends again.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 18, 2014, 06:23:19 AM
Wonder if I should skillup Liu Bei once the green dragon knight dungeon comes up, I don't intend to use him but it could be useful in the long-term

I'm sure as hell going to be trying to skill mine up. Unfortunately I have to do it before EVA leaves if it goes on for more than a week. It's better to just get Wiron who can be fed straight out than something you have to evo and then feed.

Edit instead of double post:

One pull at EVAREM, Asuka acquired.

I got everything I sort of wanted out of 15 stones, I think I am good for a while.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 18, 2014, 08:31:48 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/rGlkgeF.jpg) (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/news.asp?nid=120)

"It is a good day to become pretty much officially the best lucifer, my friends, join me! Just take my hand, and feel my glorious flowing locks."
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 18, 2014, 08:57:43 AM
The Ultimate Hera-Ur evolution has... row-enhance and became R/R.

Can you say "Ronia sub" 3 times as fast ?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 18, 2014, 10:17:12 AM
I would agree if not for the severe nerf to her synergy with Ronia by killing her dark orb enhance and her dark sub attribute, plus 10% gravity which is officially the worst gravity in the game.

And three goddamn red jewels what. That's like golems needing three Golden Keepers. ._.

New luci is also pretty meh, balanced sub-type and a red sub-attribute with no new awakenings and mediocre stat gain. I don't think he's often used as a leader so the leader skill change is pretty meh (though to be fair it's almost the same thing as Ronia's leader skill so maybe there will be some merit to using him as a leader). When you consider that balanced is a typing that's generally relegated to green (I honestly don't remember any dark balanced types not called D/D Yomi and I don't remember ANY red balanced types) his new typing is pretty irrelevant and the new sub attribute, while being a buff to his damage and team synergy also makes him more vulnerable to binds, and considering he didn't gain any changes to his active ability(which is great considering it's already hard enough to skillup as it is) nor his awakenings (which is also fine since they're already pretty damn good) I think you'd only really do this uvo for the bonus stats, which frankly don't seem worth a devilit.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 18, 2014, 11:16:27 AM
WHY MUST DISCO HERA NEED THREE RED JEWELS GODDAMIIIIIIIITTTT
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Zerviscos on August 18, 2014, 11:33:51 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/rGlkgeF.jpg) (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/news.asp?nid=120)

"It is a good day to become pretty much officially the best lucifer, my friends, join me! Just take my hand, and feel my glorious flowing locks."
Effin' finally. Devils ftw!
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 18, 2014, 11:45:13 AM
16 Eva pulls between me and my roommate. Zero Maris or Unit 13s, one Misato each. Wtb Rebuild canon. Got two of every other common, still kind of want a Mari for hypothetical green attacker team. Will be doing more pulls as stone supply allows. As it is I still have more than the number I bought for this event remaining, but I want to save some.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 18, 2014, 11:49:11 AM
I would agree if not for the severe nerf to her synergy with Ronia by killing her dark orb enhance and her dark sub attribute, plus 10% gravity which is officially the worst gravity in the game.

And three goddamn red jewels what. That's like golems needing three Golden Keepers. ._.

New luci is also pretty meh, balanced sub-type and a red sub-attribute with no new awakenings and mediocre stat gain. I don't think he's often used as a leader so the leader skill change is pretty meh (though to be fair it's almost the same thing as Ronia's leader skill so maybe there will be some merit to using him as a leader). When you consider that balanced is a typing that's generally relegated to green (I honestly don't remember any dark balanced types not called D/D Yomi and I don't remember ANY red balanced types) his new typing is pretty irrelevant and the new sub attribute, while being a buff to his damage and team synergy also makes him more vulnerable to binds, and considering he didn't gain any changes to his active ability(which is great considering it's already hard enough to skillup as it is) nor his awakenings (which is also fine since they're already pretty damn good) I think you'd only really do this uvo for the bonus stats, which frankly don't seem worth a devilit.

No one actually cares about dark damage with Ronia -that- much, and your team should be overwhelmingly red rows so red is a better sub attribute than dark.

Also the 10% gravity is probably a filler effect, much like Beelzebub's stupid heal. The end result of the active is probably going to be a lower cooldown. Which is good, for the record. Really you pretty much make up any lost dark damage from the enhance with the 10% anyway, it's -that- minimal.

It's overall a complete buff for Hera Ur on Ronia, and actually makes her competitive with Shiva.

Also, you're completely wrong on multiple levels about FA luci because this shit is diamonds, because yes, he just became a fucking dark Ronia and that shit is absurdly cash, I don't know why you can't realize that's good, especially since the other dark devil leader at the moment kind of lacks that, though overwhelmingly, because it works with Ronia, and is a card that can do dark damage better than Ronia by a large margin if you want to do dark damage and because OVERWHELMINGLY THATS A GOOD LEADER SKILL, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU EVER THINK NO ONE WANTS THAT.

Dark balanced recently received one leader. Loki. I BELIEVE YOU CAN PUT 2+2 TOGETHER HERE ONE WHY FA LUCI GOT THAT SUBTYPE AND WHY IT'S KINDA HUGE.

The new sub attribute is tbh the sketchiest thing, since it's an overall debuff to his damage because you're going to want to be putting out black row damage if you're fielding FALuci. it is ultimately made up for by working with Ronia anyway, and the stat increase making up for the lost subtype. It's justifiable.

In short, FA luci is rad, hera Ur is totally on top of things (except her evo materials are absolute horse shit, yeah)

Oh and even more imporantly- they got the wrong art for D/R FA luci, that's D/D ulti FA Luci.

New art tomorrow!
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 18, 2014, 12:01:21 PM
Holy shit I am so happy I held on to my devilit. I must have ult FA Luci. Especially now that I pulled Lu Bu last night. Time to make a supreme devil team :>
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 18, 2014, 12:03:07 PM
Holy shit I am so happy I held on to my devilit. I must have ult FA Luci. Especially now that I pulled Lu Bu last night. Time to make a supreme devil team :>

You might not need it depending on how D/D FA Luci turns out! I'm assuming while the art is wrong, the data on the sinka page is correct and the current stats are for D/R luci, including materials.

Though it depends on if you want to use Lu Bu as a leader or FA Luci ;v
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 18, 2014, 12:05:04 PM
Yeah, I sure wanted to farm three red jewels

Thanks game.

Edit: Also it's kind of annoying that they took the best dark sub in the game and made him better.  Oh well, this clearly paves the way for a Ronia ult evo!
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 18, 2014, 12:24:05 PM
Yeah, I sure wanted to farm three red jewels

Thanks game.

Edit: Also it's kind of annoying that they took the best dark sub in the game and made him better.  Oh well, this clearly paves the way for a Ronia ult evo!

Christ, your wheaties are fucking pissed in for what seems like little reason.

You have Shiva too anyway, you didn't really need to get the Hera Ur evo anyway, and if you want it because cute you can always just casually hunt it since you have no real need, and Ronia is literally currently broken to the point being able to use her is a massive buff to monsters, so, uh.

Fucking chill, jesus.

Edit: Actually, chill might be the wrong word.

Less acting like a petulant child displeased with his toys would be a better wording.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 18, 2014, 12:41:29 PM
Hey now let's not get mad about Puzzlemon.

I for one welcome any Devilit sink, but 3 red jewels is really bullshit I'm still trying to score my first one  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 18, 2014, 12:44:48 PM
Hey now let's not get mad about Puzzlemon.

I for one welcome any Devilit sink, but 3 red jewels is really bullshit I'm still trying to score my first one  :ohdear:

Fair enough, I'm more disgruntled about people's attitudes anyway.

The Red Jewels are were a given, but this many is just...unprecedentedly weird.

It's probably ronia's fault since she's probably losing gungho money at this point ;v Gotta make up the deficit somehow!

If it helps, one of these fucking days they're supposed to give us jewels in the PEM too.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 18, 2014, 12:55:46 PM
Hey, Chaore?

Buddy?

You need to calm down.  Very badly.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 18, 2014, 01:09:39 PM
Hey, Chaore?

Buddy?

You need to calm down.  Very badly.

You should be taking your own advice right now, actually.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 18, 2014, 01:31:53 PM
Alright I should have phrased that better.

Let's stop getting mad about Puzzlemon when it leads to lashing out at other people.  If you can't see the difference in tone between Edible's postings and yours in that regard I don't know what to say but trust me it's there and not cool.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 18, 2014, 01:45:10 PM
Haha..Get wrecked Phoenix. for non-attacker teams anyway


Those mats though. Oh the pain. Getting those for Athena was bad enough. I'm getting these from the PAL egg machine. Or Takeminakata. One of those. I should probably get another him in case he gets this treatment too. His red sub attribute is actually important to me.

I'm not sure it's Red Sonia level though. I always thought it was her active that really pushed her over the top. Not saying it's bad mind you, the additional dark rows and the whole not giving up damage from the primary attribute could make up for it. But I guess we'll see. I might start using him over Satan though.

I can't wait to see Hera-Is does. I hope she get's similar treatment. Minus the whole pain in the ass materials. I needed to farm Goemon anyway.


No one actually cares about dark damage with Ronia -that- much, and your team should be overwhelmingly red rows so red is a better sub attribute than dark.

Also the 10% gravity is probably a filler effect, much like Beelzebub's stupid heal. The end result of the active is probably going to be a lower cooldown. Which is good, for the record. Really you pretty much make up any lost dark damage from the enhance with the 10% anyway, it's -that- minimal.

It's overall a complete buff for Hera Ur on Ronia, and actually makes her competitive with Shiva.


Yeah this. Even if you were doing black red Sonia, at that point, you'd be looking at Cerberus, Hadar, or Luci(if you have him) because of their row boosts.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 18, 2014, 02:42:21 PM
... I got two red jewels but I fed them to Suzaku already.

-sigh-
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 18, 2014, 02:45:43 PM
oh boy Hera

gotta catch em all
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 18, 2014, 04:47:45 PM
Hey now let's not get mad about Puzzlemon.

I for one welcome any Devilit sink, but 3 red jewels is really bullshit I'm still trying to score my first one  :ohdear:

I am absolutely not looking forward to trying to get three of these either, considering that one of the dungeons that Leilan invades is flipping Zeus and idk if I can no-stone him yet.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 18, 2014, 04:51:38 PM
For my own purposes, if I ever get a Hera-Ur I won't be ult evolving her, especially because my  devil lead will be Lu Bu and probably paired with Ronia friends. On the other hand, I have FA Luci for dark orb enhancements. Hmm.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 18, 2014, 07:47:43 PM
So I got really bored and tried to do some damage calcs with 2prong for science.

The test subject is a Level 79 uvo Verche with no plus eggs and all awakenings. His base attack is 1195 with the awakening, as indicated by the 3-match.

Enhanced Light Orbs were avoided for every match, and damage was recorded for double combos before combo multipliers kicked in.

No Light row enhances were in play as I do not own any, might redo this later with Fire rows and Homura.

(Excuse my awful ascii chart art)

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|          Match Type           |       with 3       |      with 4      |       with 5        |       with 6        |
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( ~~~~Single Combos~~~~)      (  3  ) 1195     (  4  )  2241       (  5  )   1796      (  6  )   2092
(Double Combos with 3+X)      (3+3) 2390     (3+4)  3436       (3+5)   3096      (3+6)   3287
(Double Combos with 4+X)      (4+3) 3436     (4+4)  4482       (4+5)   4034      (4+6)   4333
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I mainly did this because there was a question in the P&D IRC about whether or not matching anything other than 4 matches shuts off 2prong. This appears to be entirely false, but there are a few more oddities.

Notice that the double 4-match is bolded because it does more damage than anything else. On the same note, the later values seem to be markedly higher if a 4-match is included, but obviously not by 50%. This is because 2prong seems to only increase damage by 50% for those 4-matches. While kind of disheartening, 2prong is not as bad as I thought due to everyone saying it shuts off too easily, though rows are definitely better overall in the meta as of right now.

As stated above, I did not get to test this with rows, so I haven't any idea what that'll look like. Will probably do it later.

EDIT: 4+5/5+4 's value was inaccurate and had a single light+ orb in it. Thanks to rdj for finding the error. The value is now correct.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 18, 2014, 08:18:52 PM
The moral of the story is that two-prong teams are essentially voodoo.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 18, 2014, 08:43:54 PM
The moral of the story is that two-prong teams are essentially voodoo.

Basically, the same thing was brought up on SA irc a while back.

The suggestion was a :2prong: emoticon that was the pad dragon slapping it's forehead
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 18, 2014, 08:46:19 PM
Hmm. What about if you ran a full team with two 2-prong awakenings each, and matched two four combos?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 18, 2014, 08:49:52 PM
You get approximately ten billion damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFG0ipvsIc

Basically, the idea works but it's ridiculous.  It's not even funny.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 18, 2014, 09:04:34 PM
Hmm. What about if you ran a full team with two 2-prong awakenings each, and matched two four combos?

You do damage. The entire team would get the +100% per match, as if you had ten rows on the team.

The problem right now is you're running full 2 two-prong awakening and that's not a very diverse team or easy to build for a number of reasons, nevermind it's actual effectiveness outside of FULL DAMAGE.

Also that's the hard limit, as opposed to 11 or 12 rows still actually being a thing- And even more importantly, damage will only equal, not surpass in any manner, rows up to 12 orbs- after which 16 two-prong is better and 18 rows absolutely destroy two-prong's sense of damage in any respect.

It would do more damage than rows at 8 orbs, but unsurprisingly this is because it procs twice instead of an actual damage difference- it all equals out at 12 orbs. Importantly though, this means two-prong has a lot of board longevity because it can last on less orbs!

Except the distribution is uh, pretty bad still, and it's not at all on monsters that run well off of that fact and on a lot that want you to blow your load SO HARD.

It looks really impressive because it's easy to clear trash with and it's generating HUGE NUMBERS ALL THE TIME though.

Overall, it's not really fantastic. (this is before a lot of the sillyness with how the skill works, too. They're messing with it too if Chirei's right because we came to the conclusion that shouldn't be happening earlier. Two-prong is really hard to work with.)

Edit: also seems weird about those values. They add up neatly, which...shouldn't precisely be a thing with combo bonus, I thought?

EditEdit: i should also consider sleeping more because this post is kind of a mess because i'm trying to type words bigger than four characters, whoops please highlight any more mistakes I made here.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 18, 2014, 11:50:14 PM
Hmm. That makes sense, but there's one thing I do not understand: Two-pronged attack makes you attack twice, right? So wouldn't it be that FULL damage times two? Or is it counted just once?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 18, 2014, 11:52:09 PM
It attacks once, but that one attack hits two targets if there are two targets to hit.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 18, 2014, 11:56:37 PM
Does anyone have a max-level Asuka&Eva Unit-02 they can put up in their second slot for the duration of RO-Ace? I'd like to farm it as much as I can manage, since this might be my only chance for a while to get skillups on Valkyrie. I should probably go find some people specifically for this, but then I'd have to start deleting actually useful friends for a temporary project and that isn't ideal.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 12:24:41 AM
i have 1 out of 3 flame jewel

but, I haven't got Hera-Ur at all. :colonveeplusalpha:

In fact, I've got pretty much nothing. Scrub town sub rank-100 masterrace.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Dr Rawr on August 19, 2014, 12:46:17 AM
Does anyone have a max-level Asuka&Eva Unit-02 they can put up in their second slot for the duration of RO-Ace? I'd like to farm it as much as I can manage, since this might be my only chance for a while to get skillups on Valkyrie. I should probably go find some people specifically for this, but then I'd have to start deleting actually useful friends for a temporary project and that isn't ideal.
yea i got one ill put it up when ever
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 19, 2014, 01:08:52 AM
Couldn't think of anything to do before sleeping since I have to leave really early tomorrow for a trip, so I did the 2prongXrow charts.

The test subjects this time are a Lv44 Phoenix Knight Homura (non-uvo) with no plus eggs and all awakenings. I will also be using Level 5 regular Hera-Ur for reasons explained in the disclaimer below the chart.

The rules are the same before except for one change. No enhanced fire orbs, and no unnecessary comboes beyond what is stated in the Match Type section.

Unfortunately, I run into a small snag. 2prong is weird in that the damage is calculated BEFORE combo damage starts racking up. Row damage is instead calculated AFTER everything's been said and done. So for the purposes of the damage values, any damage value involving rows is calculated after all multipliers. Everything else is logged before combo multipliers happen, if applicable.

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|          Match Type          |         Nothing*        |      2prong**       |        2 Rows*      |     2prong + 2Rows**    |
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                 3 orbs                              953                         954                          953                              954
                 4 orbs                             1192                       1790                        1192                            1790
             6 orbs (row)                       1668                       1670                        2002                            2004
     4 + 6 orbs (2x, 1row)                 2860                       3460                        4290                            5190
     6 + 6 orbs (2x, 2row)                 3336                       3340                        5838                            5845

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Bonus Information:
4 + 4 with Homura (before 2x combo mods): 3580 damage
4 + 4 with Homura (after 2x combo mods): 4475 damage

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(-THIS IS SOMEWHAT IMPORTANT SO READ THIS-)
I needed two control groups for this, so I tried to get two units, one without 2prong, and another with, also having as similar ATK as possible. I settled on Hera-Ur and Homura. The asterisks below indicate who was used to determine the values in each column.

*Hera-Ur was used for testing this section. (953 ATK)
**Homura was used for testing this section. (954 ATK)

tl;dr the difference is 1 ATK for you math-crazy people that want to apply weirdo equations to these results

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Okay, so I had to double back for about 30 minutes or so trying to redo the 4+6 tests because I wanted to make sure I wasn't hallucinating. If anyone wants to try a similar thing themselves in order to disprove it, I encourage you do on the offchance I am horribly wrong and/or messed up somehow.

You can see that for most of the other values, most notably 6+6/two fire rows, the damage values are practically the same, offset only by the 1 ATK difference between Homura and Hera-Ur. Yet for 4+6, there's this GIANT gap. What does this mean? You guessed it. Two-Pronged Attack and Row Enhance can coexist at the same time. Again, there is always the freak chance I horribly messed up somehow, but I really did try my best to double-check, but the numbers kept coming up as they were.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 19, 2014, 02:15:15 AM
i have 1 out of 3 flame jewel

Scrub town sub rank-100 masterrace.
You're ahead of this scrub town 200+ master race :(

Also I'm still convinced 2prong is some sort of puzzle wizardry after reading/watching all that  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 02:23:37 AM
You're ahead of this scrub town 200+ master race :(

Also I'm still convinced 2prong is some sort of puzzle wizardry after reading/watching all that  :ohdear:

Two prong is weird as hell.

They've drastically simplified dealing with in now atleast, good to have it not just plain broken beyond regular use.
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Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 03:35:42 AM
You're ahead of this scrub town 200+ master race :(

I just got really lucky in PEM tbh

I have virtually nothing aside from a handful of decent monsters and mostly evo mats
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 19, 2014, 04:01:37 AM
I just got really lucky in PEM tbh

I have virtually nothing aside from a handful of decent monsters and mostly evo mats

Well, at least it sounds like you don't have any inventory issues. Have so many space invaders sitting in my box for I&I and Luci right now.
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Post by: Jq1790 on August 19, 2014, 04:43:53 AM
So, I had it in my head to do Canopus' dungeon on Master tonight since I was chatting with someone else doing the same thing.  I was going to use Pesco's Ares for the 2x HP/Atk, but even after he put it up it wasn't showing for me, so I...took another option and went the resist route. 

It so happens Aoshi(said person who was also running the dungeon)'s got Evil Ceres, max level and everything.  So I enlisted her help and walked all over Canopus who didn't even get to move thanks to Ecchi's delay.

Anyway, got the drop, and the run was rather fun.  Having Sonia taking hits was a new experience.  If only I had the HP to do this when Hadar came around...
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Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 04:51:26 AM
Well, at least it sounds like you don't have any inventory issues. Have so many space invaders sitting in my box for I&I and Luci right now.

are you kidding? my box is 127/130 right now lol

50~60% of it are evo mats
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Post by: Zerviscos on August 19, 2014, 06:28:30 AM
are you kidding? my box is 127/130 right now lol

50~60% of it are evo mats
Seriously? I'm only at 100+ and I have like 200 boxes already.
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 19, 2014, 06:40:28 AM
I'm 238 but I only have 200 boxes
What do you even fill them with?

I also got my first Canopus skill up. Also have two spare Betelgeuse and Aldebaran for the eventual ults on Canopus and Hadar.
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Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 06:51:37 AM
Seriously? I'm only at 100+ and I have like 200 boxes already.

I'm 238 but I only have 200 boxes
What do you even fill them with?

Look man

You tell this PAD game to give me ONE FUCKING DUB-SAPPHILIT in ONE FRIDAY DUNGEON RUN

instead of 4 Dub-Rubylits and 10 Dub-Emelits in the day, and that's not including my plethora of masks and keepers, and some plants, and normal lits, and PEM evo mats like my Flame and Light Jewel, etc. I have a lot of evo mats, combined with my subs and Pengdra/feed fodder, okay :V
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 19, 2014, 07:37:43 AM
just do what I do, keep all the really important evo mats (golden keeper, ancient masks, trifruits, twinlits, rainbow keepers, dub-mythlits and mystic masks) and for the rest just keep a few and sell'em

like I'm serious I keep myself always at 3 dublits, 2 divine masks and anything lower I relegate myself to only 1, if I need any more I'll go grind for it but that's that.

that's how I managed to keep myself alive with only 180 space when I have like 15 freaking valkyrie skillups waiting around for the valkyrie THAT I DON'T HAVE YET ;_;
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 19, 2014, 09:29:56 AM
I'm 238 but I only have 200 boxes

how the fuq do you live

i'm like 270/300 at best and this is very quickly dwindling because of isis skillups
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Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2014, 10:36:22 AM
I feed away all skillups i can't use right away because chances are they'll be duds anyway. :V
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Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 19, 2014, 11:27:17 AM
Rank 251, 200 boxes.  I only keep a handful of evo mats around as well.

I really think Pengdras are a waste of time and sanity.  Especially with Super Metals/Jewels being so common now.  If you can consistently do Dreaming Fruit and the Color Restricted Technicals that's a different story, but I'd still rather spend my stamina getting +eggs for my maxed level monsters that I use a bunch.
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 19, 2014, 12:02:50 PM
Oh man oh man the second FA Luci ult is out now

Devil/Attacker. D/D. 3x ATK + small hp boost to attackers. Lower HP but ATK skyrockets and RCV is still in 500 range which is ridiculous for attackers.

He's a good sub for Lu Bu AND DMeta :*

.. Needs two devilits though. ><
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Post by: triangles on August 19, 2014, 12:12:24 PM
Ohoho.
Think I'll still go D/R so I can hop on the Ronia train choo-choo.
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Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 12:18:37 PM
In the next PAD Update, 7.1.1 - The Damage Resistance Awakenings are being rebalanced with a buff.
(→ダメージ軽減率を上方修正)
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 19, 2014, 12:24:11 PM
I really think Pengdras are a waste of time and sanity.  Especially with Super Metals/Jewels being so common now.

I just recently fed away all of mine for that reason, yeah. I really dig the double dragon urgents now.

...Though I had to feed them all away or I'd be over limit  :ohdear:

In other news, I forgot Bardiel/9th angel was a thing, and he came out of nowhere and almost ganked me. Thankfully I managed to mangle him with ecchi, so he is now mine.
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Post by: commandercool on August 19, 2014, 12:37:22 PM
I'm ~125/135 right now, but that extra space is about to get eaten up by Eva trophy monsters as soon as I get around to doing the Angel dungeon, so yeah, I'll be needing much more.

Look man

You tell this PAD game to give me ONE FUCKING DUB-SAPPHILIT in ONE FRIDAY DUNGEON RUN

instead of 4 Dub-Rubylits and 10 Dub-Emelits in the day, and that's not including my plethora of masks and keepers, and some plants, and normal lits, and PEM evo mats like my Flame and Light Jewel, etc. I have a lot of evo mats, combined with my subs and Pengdra/feed fodder, okay :V

I no longer do Friday Dungeon or Wednesday Dungeon at all. I'll take my evo materials from normal and technical dungeons please, where at least I can probably use the extra stuff I get. Planning to farm them at 1.5x drops is slightly less convenient than planning ahead for the daily dungeons. The only problem now is Keepers. And I would prefer to get those from Mythic Stone Dragon Cave except that I have no way to do the green color-restricted dungeon right now.

In the next PAD Update, 7.1.1 - The Damage Resistance Awakenings are being rebalanced with a buff.
(→ダメージ軽減率を上方修正)

Neat. They could use it, I guess.
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Post by: triangles on August 19, 2014, 01:12:34 PM
Oh right box space.
I have been keeping about 10-15 free but now that I have use for all three skill up Evas I'm just going to cry.
This is Ares Space Invaders 2.0 isn't it  :ohdear:
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 19, 2014, 01:21:39 PM
I'm just kind of ignoring the fodder for now and running Mythical, which drops the already-evolved skillup monsters.

I ACTUALLY GOT AN ODIN SKILLUP TODAY

(5 more to go :fail: )
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 19, 2014, 01:30:39 PM
I'm at 500 and still having issues. Probably because I like collecting things. Plus a I have a lot of skill up cards and materials.

Oh man oh man the second FA Luci ult is out now

Devil/Attacker. D/D. 3x ATK + small hp boost to attackers. Lower HP but ATK skyrockets and RCV is still in 500 range which is ridiculous for attackers.

He's a good sub for Lu Bu AND DMeta :*

.. Needs two devilits though. ><
Would Dmeta really want him though? She already does the whole orb-enhancing thing.
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Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 02:08:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Fgx1s9d.png)

eat shit you stupid dungeon. you have no idea how many tries it took for me to do this
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 19, 2014, 02:17:03 PM
I see Chimera's. That's all I need to know. Seriously, those guys suck.
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 19, 2014, 02:25:25 PM
Would Dmeta really want him though? She already does the whole orb-enhancing thing.

Why not? D/D Ult FA Luci still has two row enhances and two skill boosts and excellent ATK, so...

And frankly there's no reason not to when you have a free 5 turn 150k attack on light monsters that just so happens to enhance dark orbs too. I mean if you have better subs than that then go ahead I guess, but to me it's fuckin rad
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Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 02:28:19 PM
Why not? D/D Ult FA Luci still has two row enhances and two skill boosts and excellent ATK, so...

And frankly there's no reason not to when you have a free 5 turn 150k attack on light monsters that just so happens to enhance dark orbs too. I mean if you have better subs than that then go ahead I guess, but to me it's fuckin rad

I have to agree; there's nothing wrong with having that kind of an active, especially when all the other benefits are present. There's a reason why D/D FA Luci Ult is called "God-Demon Lord of Heaven's Destruction."

I see Chimera's. That's all I need to know. Seriously, those guys suck.

2x Double Bind is painful especially when someone gets binded twice >_> Just gonna throw that out there.

I just find it hilarious that all the times I failed, I was running a Batman mono-dark team. I ended up steamrolling this dungeon with a Healer team because I simply would not die. And I still have Sun Quan and I&I FLs available to me as options. It's AWESOME.
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Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 02:49:36 PM
Would Dmeta really want him though? She already does the whole orb-enhancing thing.

He does still come with a ridiculous awakening set, and his enhance is MUCH faster. Overall i feel a weak slot in DMeta, but not complete trash just due to his awakenings. Just mostly.

His real power is again 'oh my fucking god hes going to destroy as a leader', seriously dark attacker is an AMAZING set for him to get.

FA Luci just got really absurd hot damn.
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Post by: Suikama on August 19, 2014, 02:55:21 PM
more importantly he looks way better than rebel luci like goddamn look at this mofo

(http://i.imgur.com/H90Lnob.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/rGlkgeF.jpg)
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Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 03:12:32 PM
more importantly he looks way better than rebel luci like goddamn look at this mofo

It's not even a competition how much they prefer a monster than enables their ridiculous whale meta over AA Luci, to be honest ;v
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Post by: Edible on August 19, 2014, 03:23:15 PM
D/D FA Luci is incredible, oh man.  Cao Cao's leader skill on a dark attacker means great synergy with dmeta, since that 1.35x HP boost means dmeta will be able to run dungeons it couldn't previously since it can take extra damage.

Still kinda salty that the best of the five devils was made significantly better, and the rest of them are either gimmicky or almost completely useless, but this is hardly unusual for how gungho does ult evos :getdown:
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Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 03:37:48 PM
Still kinda salty that the best of the five devils was made significantly better, and the rest of them are either gimmicky or almost completely useless, but this is hardly unusual for how gungho does ult evos :getdown:

But all of the devils are pretty fucking great and have been for ages now.

Edible, please.
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Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 03:39:51 PM
Still kinda salty that the best of the five devils was made significantly better, and the rest of them are either gimmicky or almost completely useless, but this is hardly unusual for how gungho does ult evos :getdown:

2x color row enhance and 2x SBS means at the very least they aren't garbage, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 03:42:31 PM
2x color enhance and 2x SBS means at the very least they aren't garbage, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

The only argument is the somewhat dwindling spaces for them on some newer teams (Norse, for example), but that doesn't mean their teams don't exist.

Hell, Belial was long immensely the most popular because he GOES ON FUCKING RONIA, and will probably -always- be just because Ronia never die.
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Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 03:44:24 PM
Hell, Belial was long immensely the most popular because he GOES ON FUCKING RONIA, and will probably -always- be just because Ronia never die.

Well I'm not too thrilled about my Belial pull to start with because I don't have a fucking Ronia but yeah.

But you get my point anyways, Chaore. :V
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Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 03:45:38 PM
Well I'm not too thrilled about my Belial pull to start with because I don't have a fucking Ronia but yeah.

But you get my point anyways, Chaore. :V

Oh definitely, I just figured I should also acknowledge the not singular nature of the argument, there are some small downsides cropping up with the Demons with recent changes.

They're obviously great though for the reasons you listed alone, not even counting JP differences since they have skillups for them, also making them have orb changes.
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Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 03:49:31 PM
Well to be fair a valid complaint would be their cripplingly mediocre leader skills but let's face it it's not fair to hold up monster standards in terms of simply Leader Skill alone simply because the pool of monsters with exceptionally good leader skills is quite small compared to the 1500+ monsters that are currently avaliable.

They're obviously great though for the reasons you listed alone, not even counting JP differences since they have skillups for them, also making them have orb changes.

Unfortunately I don't know when those skillups will come back. For example the Belial skillups are from the DDQ and Saint Seiya collabs and those happened... last year and this year respectively I want to say? I know Saint Seiya occurred very very recently, as in like, a few months back.
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Post by: Edible on August 19, 2014, 03:57:56 PM
Yeah, I'm exaggerating pretty badly here.

It's only really Baal who's mostly useless.  I consider the rest at least somewhat gimmicky because they don't fit in nearly as many setups as FA Luci, who is perhaps the best dark sub in the game.
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Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 04:01:03 PM
Yeah, I'm exaggerating pretty badly here.

It's only really Baal who's mostly useless.  I consider the rest at least somewhat gimmicky because they don't fit in nearly as many setups as FA Luci, who is perhaps the best dark sub in the game.

I'm questioning if you know what the definition of "gimmicky" is, but I don't want this to turn into a game of splitting hairs.

"They don't fit in nearly as many kinds of teams" means they aren't versatile. That doesn't necessarily mean they're gimmicky because you can see their stats and awakenings and go, "it's easy for me to say that they can go in this kind of team." Yes, Belial was very much used as a sub for Ronia teams, and it's blatantly obvious as to why that is. There is no "gimmick." you just put him there and that's it. Sure he doesn't fit into other kinds of teams that well compared to FA Luci, but that's Luci being the sub that he is.

Like, if you want gimmicky, you come up with some sort of super niche team like the 12x 2-pronged team discussed earlier.
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Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 04:09:51 PM
Not to mention regardless, they're pretty much still staples like the norse  and have been for a while...
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Post by: trancehime on August 19, 2014, 04:12:57 PM
Not to mention regardless, they're pretty much still staples like the norse  and have been for a while...

At the end of the day this is just like arguing over team setups in Pokemon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2-4PiUkxbQ).
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Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 04:16:19 PM
At the end of the day this is just like arguing over team setups in Pokemon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2-4PiUkxbQ).

Hey now.

Pokemon is extremely more serious business.
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Post by: Edible on August 19, 2014, 04:21:05 PM
I don't think my use of gimmick is flawed here.  They're primarily useful for one thing, which is their great selection of awakenings for very specific teams.  Their actives and leader skills are pretty subpar and their stats are about on par with your average REM god.  That's a gimmick in my book.

Comparatively, FA Luci has great leader skills, a great active, and great awakenings, while also having extremely high RCV for a devil.  That's really the main point I was trying to make here.

Moving on, I may start playing with pandora team building soon.  I don't have anything resembling an optimal team for her but she's been pretty fun the few times I've taken her for a spin.

Hey now.

Pokemon is extremely more serious business.

Oh god, I hope pad never gets to that level :V
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Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 04:49:39 PM
I don't think my use of gimmick is flawed here.  They're primarily useful for one thing, which is their great selection of awakenings for very specific teams.  Their actives and leader skills are pretty subpar and their stats are about on par with your average REM god.  That's a gimmick in my book.

Comparatively, FA Luci has great leader skills, a great active, and great awakenings, while also having extremely high RCV for a devil.  That's really the main point I was trying to make here.

The problem there is Rows are not a gimmick and neither are row awakenings, nor is slotting a card for their awakenings. None of these are gimmicks but instead important parts of the meta and game.

That's the problem, Edible. ;v

You are correct on FA luci though, but I don't think any of the other archdemons really cared for a better leader skill in the first place, since Gungho realized they primarily wanted to improve their sub ability. Whether or not that actually ended up the case is up to debate, though.

And even if he's straight up the best of the pantheon, well, that's never happened before, right? ;v
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Post by: Thaws on August 19, 2014, 04:51:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Fgx1s9d.png)

eat shit you stupid dungeon. you have no idea how many tries it took for me to do this

Life is going to be infinitely easier for you once you get a naga.

Why are they still buffing dark oh wait it's gungho.
I'm still hoping they do something about the weakness system where red/green/blue has an element that resist them but dark/light don't. Seriously it's been 2.5 years and they still let this inbalance goes on.
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Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 04:56:11 PM
Why are they still buffing dark oh wait it's gungho.
I'm still hoping they do something about the weakness system where red/green/blue has an element that resist them but dark/light don't. Seriously it's been 2.5 years and they still let this inbalance goes on.

Clearly, they should add a sixth color. Strong against light and dark, weak to r/g/b.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 19, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
Clearly, they should add a sixth color. Strong against light and dark, weak to r/g/b.

The power of heart obv
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Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 05:11:15 PM
The power of heart obv

fuck

the heart hamster was a sign from the future

HEART shall pave the way
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Post by: commandercool on August 19, 2014, 05:13:28 PM
Why are they still buffing dark oh wait it's gungho.
I'm still hoping they do something about the weakness system where red/green/blue has an element that resist them but dark/light don't. Seriously it's been 2.5 years and they still let this inbalance goes on.

I just assumed for the first six weeks I played that light and dark resisted themselves. Make them resist themselves, and problem solved. But man, it must be nice not to get stuck on dungeons in early-to-mid game because they resist your team. I still don't like to farm high-end green dungeons (like the ones on 1.5x drops right now) because they're a little too risky.
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Post by: Edible on August 19, 2014, 05:41:20 PM
Okay, I've thought about it and I'm going to begin Operation: Fuck Celestial Earth And/Or PAD with the below team.

Ronia / Ronia / Shiva / Blue Odin / King Baddie / Ronia

10 skill boosts means I only have to stall 11 turns to get Shiva up, and I'll have enough HP to survive three hits from the high dragons a round.  Then getting to and summarily obliterating Zaerog should be relatively simple.

This pretty much requires that I kill one or two high dragons on the first turn, so let's go not getting orb screwed :V
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Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 19, 2014, 05:51:23 PM
While it's not a priority for me, here's the Legendary Earth team I'm going to be working towards eventually:

Nebradisk / Flame Armor Ogre / Ice Armor Ogre / Wood Samurai Ogre / Machine Golem Mk. III / GOdin

With the four subs max skilled, I should be able to wipe out all but one dragon per wave and recharge skills on that last one. Of course, Zaerog himself will take freaking forever but still.
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Post by: Chaore on August 19, 2014, 06:17:51 PM
Okay, I've thought about it and I'm going to begin Operation: Fuck Celestial Earth And/Or PAD with the below team.

Ronia / Ronia / Shiva / Blue Odin / King Baddie / Ronia

10 skill boosts means I only have to stall 11 turns to get Shiva up, and I'll have enough HP to survive three hits from the high dragons a round.  Then getting to and summarily obliterating Zaerog should be relatively simple.

This pretty much requires that I kill one or two high dragons on the first turn, so let's go not getting orb screwed :V

Also they have actual HP, so you might not chain wreck them iirc atleast

But yeah, you should be fine with that. Knock 'em dead ;v

(meanwhile what is beating queen of the gods? More exp, more levels, more + eggs.)
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 19, 2014, 06:36:53 PM
I think I beat Queen of Gods with Kirin and cheesed through Zeus with Goemon. I'd had a few unsucessful attempts at Zaerog, but that's it.

I'm thinking I'll go devil with my Luci.

With Duke and Haku, I'll have 6 rows and 5-turn heartmaker, all with great stats. That leaves two slots, with which I can put in:
CDD
Lilith(skill lvl. 3)
Hamahime(max skilled)
Wicked Lady(skill lvl. 2)
Baddie
Someone not a primarily black devil.

My options aren't too bad in attacker though.
Arthur
Korone
Lilith
Batman
Nobunaga
Kaworu
Hanzo

It'd be a lot closer if I could skill the attacker stuff. That and I really want to use Haku for something. I should probably just go forget skilling her and max her out already.



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Post by: Edible on August 19, 2014, 06:40:22 PM
... rofl, four blue high dragons on stage 1.

Thanks game. <_<  And goodbye, 99 stamina~
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 19, 2014, 08:55:50 PM

(meanwhile what is beating queen of the gods? More exp, more levels, more + eggs.)

While bored in the car I somehow managed to get all the way up to Hera in endless corridors with double R/G Leilan, and almost killed her too. Apparently if I have Angelion on the team, I can survive one hit from that version of her because of the dark resist awakenings. Had I known that, I totally could have gone further.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 19, 2014, 11:03:21 PM
Hmmm....supers, or EVA. Not sure. I'm leaning towards EVA though.
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Post by: commandercool on August 20, 2014, 12:14:59 AM
"RO Ace rescheduled"? Do we know to when? I sure hope it overlaps with double skillups. But it probably won't, so I'll get to hang on to whatever heartbreaker blobs I get ahold of forever before they inevitably yield zero skillups.

What does "first turn counter" actually mean? I keep seeing that notation on PDX but I actually have no idea what it means.

Even though RO Ace seems to not be coming out yet, I'd still like to do Gaia Descended tomorrow, so any Asuka&Eva Unit-02s people can put up in their second slots tomorrow will be greatly appreciated. I'll have my Asuka up if anyone else plans on trying.
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 20, 2014, 12:17:32 AM
So, bored between classes, made it to floor 48 of Endless Corridors, which is awesome considering I almost beat Hades!

Do you get anything for beating it, or is it just bragging rights?
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Post by: Chaore on August 20, 2014, 12:18:58 AM
So, bored between classes, made it to floor 48 of Endless Corridors, which is awesome considering I almost beat Hades!

Do you get anything for beating it, or is it just bragging rights?

Stone.

And then, you unlock hell.
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Post by: commandercool on August 20, 2014, 12:22:44 AM
Just played the Angel dungeon with the music on. I am unbelievably amused by the last floor music.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 20, 2014, 12:23:46 AM
What does "first turn counter" actually mean? I keep seeing that notation on PDX but I actually have no idea what it means.

It means that is the very first move the monster will use (outside of preemptives).
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 20, 2014, 01:13:41 AM
Do you get anything for beating it, or is it just bragging rights?

Yeah, you get a stone and the right to say you beat it with X team.

Then you unlock the True Endless Corridors, which is a better and significantly harder practice dungeon.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 20, 2014, 04:11:16 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/qaPb3QQ.png)

So i wonned and got the Challenge Mode

is it time to get 200 stones? it's time to get 200 stones.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 20, 2014, 04:29:00 AM
Requesting godfest binge post in advance.  Is there a particular set you'll go for?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 20, 2014, 04:54:18 AM
Requesting godfest binge post in advance.  Is there a particular set you'll go for?

I'm currently Rank 73 so I'll try and get whatever's good in the next GodFes that turns up.

Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 20, 2014, 05:02:07 AM
trance: If you're gonna buy stones, I wouldn't get more than a 30 pack or something.

You're going to wind up with some upgrades probably, and certainly will have a lot more if you blow 100+ stones, but you're not even rank 100 yet and you won't be able to use everything even if you get ideal teams, much less actually get them leveled up.  What will most likely happen is you'll wind up with boxes full of nice things that you'll maybe level up and rarely if ever use.

In addition, if you wait to spend more money on stones, you'll have access to newer and better stuff because PAD power creep is a very real thing. <_<
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 20, 2014, 05:10:39 AM
trance: If you're gonna buy stones, I wouldn't get more than a 30 pack or something.

I was exaggerating, I'm non-IAP and was referring to the fact Challenge Mode being open means I have more access to free stones due to being able to re-do past dungeons for stones in about 2x the speed with 0.5x the effort
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 20, 2014, 05:14:47 AM
Oh, okay.  Phew.

Yes, non-IAP is best.  <_<  Do not give in to the dark side.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 20, 2014, 05:22:18 AM
Oh, okay.  Phew.

Yes, non-IAP is best.  <_<  Do not give in to the dark side.

I also didn't reroll the free REM roll you get at the very beginning of the game so my run for PAD is pretty much as middle of the line between casual and SRS BSNSS as you're gonna get. I think I'm doing okay.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 20, 2014, 12:53:30 PM
My first shot at Gaia Descended (on Master) was a trainwreck, but I think I can still do this. I just don't know how to use this kind of team yet. Have to run Endless Corridors with it a few times or something. Reeeally wish my Rowdy Samurai Goblin was skillmaxed, but I put 39 goblins into him and got a single skillup, so I don't know that there was much more I could have done. Also kind of wishing I had a Drall, but I don't. Oh well.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 20, 2014, 02:19:33 PM
Tried Ruins of the Star Vault just now; can't beat the boss because fucking Chimeras do too much damage per attack off a 2 turn CD...

RIP 30 stam
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 20, 2014, 04:05:22 PM
So while I skill maxed Betelgeuse in some seven odd attempts, my attempts at doing the same for Canopus have not been going nearly as well.
I mean, it's Wednesday already and I still only have two successes!

What the factorial.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 20, 2014, 04:17:17 PM
So for some reason EVA collab is being extremely nice to me and given me the isis skillup on wave 3 8 times in a row.

3 skillups so far, just two more to go, but I'll probably get the rest off Gungho Collab after today.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 20, 2014, 04:20:45 PM
So for some reason EVA collab is being extremely nice to me and given me the isis skillup on wave 3 8 times in a row.

3 skillups so far, just two more to go, but I'll probably get the rest off Gungho Collab after today.

Suikama is going to kill you

Or himself
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 20, 2014, 04:27:00 PM
Suikama is going to kill you

I have honestly been waiting for captain falcon to assassinate me in my sleep ever since I pulled blodin
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 20, 2014, 04:48:40 PM
Suikama is going to kill you

Or himself
i already died waiting for smash 4
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 20, 2014, 05:12:10 PM
Okay, so I tried my Gaia team a few times in Endless Corridors. I'm noticing a few things.

First, having bad recovery and good HP sucks. This is why I pegged Siegfried for being a "worse" Valkyrie. Echidna helps, both in giving me better recovery and potentially time to do combos and heal up, but this is real tricky. I am not used to this.

Second, I don't really know how to use Asuka's active. If I understand it correctly you can move orbs for a moment, but if there are any matches at the end the moves counts as your attack and your turn ends. Is that right? If I don't make any matches can I do my regular move as well, or did I not understand what was happening when I used it? And when is a good time to use this ability?

Third, the lack of skillups on some of my guys is the worst. I feel like if Echidna was skillmaxed this would be twice the team it is now. It seems absolutely essential, but the game won't let me have it. Kind of fuck you, game. It's not that bad with the healer team since I primarily use it to give King Shynee extra time to charge or to prevent monsters that can one-shot me from being able to attack, and that typically only comes up once or twice a dungeon. But with this team it seems like I'll often be using it to fish for red orbs if I get orbtrolled or to heal up over many turns when I'm almost dead, and those are situations that come up all the time..
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 20, 2014, 05:14:12 PM
Asuka's active is a mini-CTW

You activate it and you have five seconds to move orbs however you want.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 20, 2014, 05:30:45 PM
Also, this is the first time in a long time I've used a fully monocolored team. What's the value behind doing this exactly? Does the way combo math works result in more damage from a mono-red team attacking than a half-red, half-white team attacking with the same combo number? I guess the fact that you don't have to have two different colors available for your combo is a small benefit, but the potential to not have enough orbs available to do anything at all seems like a crippling drawback. Do monocolored teams only really work with skillmaxed orbchangers or much better combo skills than I have, or is there some built-in reason why they would be preferable to/competitive against a multicolored team?

Asuka's active is a mini-CTW

You activate it and you have five seconds to move orbs however you want.

Right, I got that, but I don't think I understand what CTW does. I don't own anything with CTW, but I assumed it would give me time to move orbs after which no matches would trigger (as though I had placed those orbs with an orbchanger), then give me my regular turn as well. This appears to be not the case. My turn ends after the ability ends. Is that right, or am I doing something wrong? If that is the case, isn't "Extend your next move by one second" a more accurate description than "Give 5 seconds to move orbs without triggering matches"?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 20, 2014, 05:33:03 PM
CTW is used to set up an ideal combo. Very useful if you're running a combo count team or a color matching team. It basically gives you time to organize orbs as you please before the attack triggers. What makes it especially significant is that you can lift your finger and move different orbs during the time it's active. For that reason, use any other skills you need first before using CTW. For the extend time awakes, you still must keep your finger on the one orb you started  with.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 20, 2014, 05:37:16 PM
Give 5 seconds to move orbs without triggering matches

This is actually exactly what it does. If within these five seconds you were to make a line or column of matching orbs, they won't trip until the active timer fully runs out. It is not unheard of to set up a board using CtW so that it fully clears due to how broken this actually is. This also means you are free to take your finger on and off the screen during this time and your turn won't end. Basically it's only final once the whole thing runs out.

but surely you figured that out from the above two comments. what are you, stupid?
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Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 20, 2014, 05:43:08 PM
CTW is used to set up an ideal combo. Very useful if you're running a combo count team or a color matching team. It basically gives you time to organize orbs as you please before the attack triggers. What makes it especially significant is that you can lift your finger and move different orbs during the time it's active. For that reason, use any other skills you need first before using CTW. For the extend time awakes, you still must keep your finger on the one orb you started  with.

Oh, I see now. The ability to lift your finger and not end your turn was the thing I as missing. That makes a lot more sense now then. Wow, I wish I had had more time to practice this, because it seems useful but I have no prior experience with it. I look forward to learning how to use it in the future though.

This is actually exactly what it does. If within these five seconds you were to make a line or column of matching orbs, they won't trip until the active timer fully runs out. It is not unheard of to set up a board using CtW so that it fully clears due to how broken this actually is. This also means you are free to take your finger on and off the screen during this time and your turn won't end. Basically it's only final once the whole thing runs out.

Yeah, that's tricky wording. To me the way it's worded now implies different functionality than it actually has, but maybe that's just me. Either way, I guess once you know how it works it's no longer an issue. Kind of wish PDX went into much more detail about things like this though (unless it does and I don't know where to look).

but surely you figured that out from the above two comments. what are you, stupid?
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Mmmmmaaaaaybe? :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 20, 2014, 05:46:15 PM
HAHAHAHA WHOOPS I MISSED THE JOKE N/M

:colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 20, 2014, 08:27:37 PM
Gungho collab, why you gotta start on the same day as thursday dungeons. ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 20, 2014, 10:47:33 PM
Gungho collab, why you gotta start during EVA collab and Green Mechdragon ;_;

^Fafnir and Canopus are mad they have to take a backseat to Luci. If I ever get Freyja, Fafnir'll be out of a job.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 20, 2014, 11:01:43 PM
I'm particularly mad that we got the Green Mechragon but not the Green Mystic Dragon, I want a folklore :(

I even have the Super Sapphire Dragon already.

Still, considering that Nazca's Dungeon is No-Fire, I would probably have to use my Luci team, which is good because it's already complete, so much that I'm back to working on my bird team already :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 21, 2014, 01:46:59 AM
ctw things

which is why yomi was so sought after during player's choice godfest a few months back.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 21, 2014, 01:48:40 AM
so uhh
Is it even worth trying to get Anubis skillups? I suppose Devil Anubis could convert green > dark but ugh why would I want to use Anubis ever?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 21, 2014, 01:53:40 AM
Not really, unless you really want to farm all those mats for every cathy you get.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 21, 2014, 02:17:44 AM
Not really, unless you really want to farm all those mats for every cathy you get.

This is the problem with most of the collab's skill ups, basically.

Oh well, rehash with evo'd cathys when
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 21, 2014, 03:15:18 AM
I've taken three good swings at Gaia so far and lost every time. And two of those times it was because I was one turn away from a skill being up. I don't necessarily know if I would have been able to win if I got past the floor I died on, but this shit is super difficult regardless. Having maxed skills will help, having my remaining non-maxed guys finished might help, but best case scenario it's still an extremely difficult descend. The Treant floor is a bitch.

If I can just manage to kill two of them I can stall up all of my skills, but balancing my combos so that I do enough to hurt them but not enough to kill all three instantly is very difficult. I think if I can get past Fafnir with my Menace still up I should be good to at least make it to Gaia, but that requires me to be able to stall and that's not an easy thing to do. And then if I can actually pull this off she still only has a 40% drop chance, since I'm playing on Master... Theoretically I have four more attempts today without stoning, but I don't know if that will be enough.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 21, 2014, 03:24:50 AM
FA luci decided to be nice. I now have a LOT more boxspace.

Also, :GENBU INTENSIFIES:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on August 21, 2014, 03:28:50 AM
http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/dragonball2.html

oh jesus christ
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 21, 2014, 03:38:50 AM
http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/dragonball2.html

oh jesus christ

Somewhat unsurprising, given the 'Ultimates are planned' teaser.

Maybe we'll get it now. Best stock yo gems.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 21, 2014, 10:59:38 AM
For Japanese server players:

Celebrating 50M GungHo Apps Downloads!

GodFest on Aug31~Sept2, following sets:
Egyptian
3 Kingdoms
Indian 2.0
Godfes Exclusives

Fruit Dragon Dungeon

Chinagirls Dungeon for getting Jewels

Snowglobe Dungeon

Special Invades for Castle of Satan/Castle of Satan in the Abyss

other notable things are just standard gifts/upped rates
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 21, 2014, 12:54:05 PM
This is not a ~Lucky Encounter~
(http://i.imgur.com/SkfcH6z.jpg)
This is a jerk fairy for jerk people I don't care how cute you are so far I've gotten four of you on Stage 5 of Ocean Knight locking me out of the Sun Quan skill up floor and I hate you :(
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 21, 2014, 01:25:52 PM
This is a jerk fairy for jerk people I don't care how cute you are so far I've gotten four of you on Stage 5 of Ocean Knight locking me out of the Sun Quan skill up floor and I hate you :(
I've gotten four of you on Stage 5 of Ocean Knight locking me out of the Sun Quan skill up floor and I hate you :(
I've gotten four of you

/me foams at the mouth

g i v e p l e a s e :(
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 21, 2014, 02:09:57 PM
Not sure what fruit dragon dragon I want. I got Lemon last time. The black one can go on batman and the red one can go Ame no Uzume/Goku/Ifrit. I'm inclined to say Batman though.
This is not a ~Lucky Encounter~
(http://i.imgur.com/SkfcH6z.jpg)
This is a jerk fairy for jerk people I don't care how cute you are so far I've gotten four of you on Stage 5 of Ocean Knight locking me out of the Sun Quan skill up floor and I hate you :(

I know that feeling, though not as well. Last time EVA came over here, the invade came on the giant star floor, I was pretty annoyed too.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 21, 2014, 04:47:32 PM
<Chirei> ...rofl
<Chirei> feed 3 jelly's angels to fafnir
<Chirei> get 3 skillups

A shame he needs to skillup 20 times to max out. That one's gonna be tough.

Managed to snag one for Isis/Valk/Flare Drall too. With any luck Isis will be done before gung collab goes poof since she just needs one more.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 21, 2014, 07:25:20 PM
This is a jerk fairy for jerk people I don't care how cute you are so far I've gotten four five of you on Stage 5 of Ocean Knight locking me out of the Sun Quan skill up floor and I hate you :(

 :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 21, 2014, 07:38:16 PM
What teams do you guys use to farm twinlits? Don't feel like feeding Zeus so much.

EDIT: Feed 5 tenth angel skill ups, 3 skill ups.
Feed 5 sixth angel skill ups. 0  :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 21, 2014, 09:05:25 PM
I run AA Metatron with poison and delay myself but it also requires a crapton of +HP eggs.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 21, 2014, 10:13:08 PM
Daily reminder PAD players are insane. (http://i.imgur.com/2VmVxsu.png)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 21, 2014, 10:15:24 PM
Suddenly I feel marginally better about my whaling history. But only marginally. :v
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 21, 2014, 10:51:56 PM
Daily reminder PAD players are insane. (http://i.imgur.com/2VmVxsu.png)

How does someone even delude themselves into thinking this game is an investment? Does he intend to sell his account at some point? Is there some way I'm not aware of that someone could conceivably make money off of this? Charging people for friend requests maybe? :ohdear:

Edit: Or maybe he meant "investment" in a looser sense of "being set 4 life in-game and receiving his payout in gameplay over a long period of time", but given how the power creep works he surely can't have thought that was right?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 21, 2014, 10:54:54 PM
What teams do you guys use to farm twinlits? Don't feel like feeding Zeus so much.

I think it's possible to do it with your own team build + friend Olympios. Still working on a Leilan farming team but I think I'll ultimately have Zeus in as a sub with double R/G's. Bastet/Olympios teams might also be a thing I might look into later but that probably requires more setup than the former for me.

Zeus or not you probably want some kind of heartmaker/autoheal for stalling on wave 1, I figure if you stall properly there you just outright win, is what i've gathered from previous attempts.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 21, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
Daily reminder PAD players are insane. (http://i.imgur.com/2VmVxsu.png)

thats an abnormqlly huge amount of money.

this is why i stay non-iap
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 21, 2014, 11:33:40 PM
How does someone even delude themselves into thinking this game is an investment? Does he intend to sell his account at some point? Is there some way I'm not aware of that someone could conceivably make money off of this? Charging people for friend requests maybe? :ohdear:

Edit: Or maybe he meant "investment" in a looser sense of "being set 4 life in-game and receiving his payout in gameplay over a long period of time", but given how the power creep works he surely can't have thought that was right?

I imagine the second, Selling accounts DOES happen, but they don't go for nearly as much as you put into them and the demand is low as hell, and it's mostly ex whales trying to make some money back.

A lot of people don't properly understand how this works, or how GUNGHO works, so no he probably thinks that- though, to be honest, certain teams like DMeta and Ronia still hold up absurdly well.

Honestly, though- I have to wonder if he exists. Unless he's been playing for a long time, it takes like a third of that to roll everything in the game and even then most people just whale a bit, get a solid team they like, and call it done. Not many whales even justify it with anything other than 'Eh, I have the spare cash' too.

That's basically a strawman interpretation that certain people make up to justify ridiculing and treating others like incompetent piles of crap, basically. And that snippet looks straight up from a thread favoring that perspective so uh, lol.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 22, 2014, 12:54:13 AM
I imagine the second, Selling accounts DOES happen, but they don't go for nearly as much as you put into them and the demand is low as hell, and it's mostly ex whales trying to make some money back.

A lot of people don't properly understand how this works, or how GUNGHO works, so no he probably thinks that- though, to be honest, certain teams like DMeta and Ronia still hold up absurdly well.

Honestly, though- I have to wonder if he exists. Unless he's been playing for a long time, it takes like a third of that to roll everything in the game and even then most people just whale a bit, get a solid team they like, and call it done. Not many whales even justify it with anything other than 'Eh, I have the spare cash' too.

That's basically a strawman interpretation that certain people make up to justify ridiculing and treating others like incompetent piles of crap, basically. And that snippet looks straight up from a thread favoring that perspective so uh, lol.

Yeah, fair enough. That's $20 a day, every day, since release. And that's assuming a day-one Japanese account. I guess you could theoretically do that by dumping huge numbers of pulls into godfests trying to skillmax rare drops or something, but it seems like spending that much money would be actively hard.

(Also what's a "whale?)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 22, 2014, 12:57:25 AM
I believe "whale" is a term coming from poker to describe a person with more money than sense.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 22, 2014, 12:59:02 AM
I believe "whale" is a term coming from poker to describe a person with more money than sense.

Pretty much, It's used to describe IAP players with purchases...over 100, iirc?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 22, 2014, 04:26:47 AM
Bikkuriman Collab going to JPN servers on monday.

Why is this a big deal? Well...

The Bikkuriman collab introduces the very first monster in PAD history that changes ALL obstacle orbs - Jammers and Poisons - into something else. In this monster's particular case, he changes them into Hearts. The monster, Mashou Pierdra, also has this LS: Dark attribute and Dragon types have 2.5x ATK.


Oh yeah also I think YamamotoP shows up as an invade in this collab


Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 22, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
Bikkuriman Collab going to JPN servers on monday.

Why is this a big deal? Well...

The Bikkuriman collab introduces the very first monster in PAD history that changes ALL obstacle orbs - Jammers and Poisons - into something else. In this monster's particular case, he changes them into Hearts. The monster, Mashou Pierdra, also has this LS: Dark attribute and Dragon types have 2.5x ATK.


Oh yeah also I think YamamotoP shows up as an invade in this collab

They all look ugly though, so I don't wan to roll it.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 22, 2014, 01:34:29 PM
They all look ugly though, so I don't wan to roll it.

It's distinctly Bikkuriman art style, so your call.

Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 22, 2014, 01:52:49 PM
I would not mind bikkuri-ecchi at all, even though I would use regular ecchi more probably. Two rows on delay is still something to consider.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 22, 2014, 03:10:53 PM
I would not mind bikkuri-ecchi at all, even though I would use regular ecchi more probably. Two rows on delay is still something to consider.

echidna rococo has much higher base stats than regular echidna fwiw

i highly doubt her max stats would be lower
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 22, 2014, 06:03:37 PM
The only problem I have with Bikkuri ecchi is probably that cooldown.

Cooldown reduction is important on delays, it's why most of the collab delays are pretty mediocre.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 22, 2014, 06:04:34 PM
So I didn't actually believe it was possible to score this high using an actual team.

Maybe if I luck out hard enough I can scrub out the S Rank later

(http://i.imgur.com/UhRHhOW.png)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 22, 2014, 06:56:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/PWahGc9.jpg)

All hail your great new eyebrow overlord
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 22, 2014, 07:08:14 PM
also DQXQ skillups

man the 3 kingdoms got it real easy for skillups compared to the others...

The only problem I have with Bikkuri ecchi is probably that cooldown.

Cooldown reduction is important on delays, it's why most of the collab delays are pretty mediocre.
also the delay is just 1 turn lol
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Post by: commandercool on August 22, 2014, 07:18:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/PWahGc9.jpg)

All hail your great new eyebrow overlord

Oh holy shit I just called that last night. I guessed Joan Of Arc for Light and Helen Of Troy for Dark.
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 22, 2014, 07:39:16 PM
And I am now reminded that I'll be able to skill up Lu Bu after that 8)
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 22, 2014, 08:38:09 PM
And I am now reminded that I'll be able to skill up Lu Bu after that 8)

I don't have Lu Bu, but I still want to get Mulan.

Oh holy shit I just called that last night. I guessed Joan Of Arc for Light and Helen Of Troy for Dark.

Mulan is dark I think. They came out with the art for both of them a while back.
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Post by: commandercool on August 22, 2014, 09:20:40 PM
I like the art on the Bikkuriman guys, but what's up with their crazy power levels? Isn't the 1.2/3/1,2 skill that some of them have the best type-boosting skill in the game? Is that just power creep in action, or is there some drawback I'm not seeing?

Mulan is dark I think. They came out with the art for both of them a while back.

Cool, fair enough. So what do we think of Joan? Her active seems questionable, but she seems like she's got good HP for an attacker.
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Post by: Chaore on August 22, 2014, 09:27:15 PM
also DQXQ skillups

man the 3 kingdoms got it real easy for skillups compared to the others...
also the delay is just 1 turn lol

...wow really? That's straight up hot trash as an active then, Trance said it was 2.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 22, 2014, 09:43:25 PM
I like the art on the Bikkuriman guys, but what's up with their crazy power levels? Isn't the 1.2/3/1,2 skill that some of them have the best type-boosting skill in the game? Is that just power creep in action, or is there some drawback I'm not seeing?

Cool, fair enough. So what do we think of Joan? Her active seems questionable, but she seems like she's got good HP for an attacker.

She's decent as far as biweeklies go. Good statstick. Comparable to Hideyoshi. She has a two prong rather than a enhanced orbs, so that's nice.

Btw, if you're curious, here (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2tPIVNJ0weU/U5sF1neoxZI/AAAAAAAAnmc/pojqhzPU0-I/s1600/09.png)'s there Mulan picture I was talking about.
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Post by: Chaore on August 22, 2014, 09:54:28 PM
She's decent as far as biweeklies go. Good statstick. Comparable to Hideyoshi. She has a two prong rather than a enhanced orbs, so that's nice.

Btw, if you're curious, here (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2tPIVNJ0weU/U5sF1neoxZI/AAAAAAAAnmc/pojqhzPU0-I/s1600/09.png)'s there Mulan picture I was talking about.

Her stats are fantastic for an attacker too.

She wishes she didn't have two-prong and had a row though, seriously, she'd be GREAT for thor then. She can't even go on Athena because she's not god. Light attacker wants rows now like hot cakes... Joan is kind of a missed opportunity there.

goongho plz.

I'm still farming the hell out of her though, I really like her. Just pray a new two-prong attacker in light comes around.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 22, 2014, 10:28:32 PM
Her stats are fantastic for an attacker too.

She wishes she didn't have two-prong and had a row though, seriously, she'd be GREAT for thor then. She can't even go on Athena because she's not god. Light attacker wants rows now like hot cakes... Joan is kind of a missed opportunity there.

goongho plz.

I'm still farming the hell out of her though, I really like her. Just pray a new two-prong attacker in light comes around.
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Why couldn't she be god type :(  Athena needs more subs. I wish Arthur was god type too. I wonder what Mulan will get. Come on rowboosty attacker/devil. You know you want it *dark favoritism*
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 22, 2014, 10:50:44 PM
Her active isn't questionable at all-- it's just not what you expect out of an Attacker. In fact, it's fantastic. Attackers don't get much in the recovery department so getting double that for two turns can help you turn things around in a pinch. Her stats are actually great for an Attacker, too-- 3002/1556/312 is actually GREAT considering that type, since Attackers lack in the HP department too.

The only thing I personally find questionable about her is her attribute: Light doesn't really have all that much in the way of Attackers, sadly. :T

Actually I'm kinda fond of these Dragon Knight girls-- so far they all have active skills for types that don't typically match them-- Himiko is a healer with damage reduction, Cleopatra is a Balanced poison user with an ACTUAL GOOD poison skill, Ishtar is a Physical whose active at lv99 (no plus eggs) will recover ~7500 HP (and twice that if you hit a water-type enemy) (and Physicals tend to have shit in the way of options in recovering HP), and Joan of Arc has great stats and makes Attacker RCV workable when needed.

I wonder what Mulan will get.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 22, 2014, 11:00:13 PM
Her active isn't questionable at all-- it's just not what you expect out of an Attacker. In fact, it's fantastic. Attackers don't get much in the recovery department so getting double that for two turns can help you turn things around in a pinch. Her stats are actually great for an Attacker, too-- 3002/1556/312 is actually GREAT considering that type, since Attackers lack in the HP department too.

The only thing I personally find questionable about her is her attribute: Light doesn't really have all that much in the way of Attackers, sadly. :T

Actually I'm kinda fond of these Dragon Knight girls-- so far they all have active skills for types that don't typically match them-- Himiko is a healer with damage reduction, Cleopatra is a Balanced poison user with an ACTUAL GOOD poison skill, Ishtar is a Physical whose active at lv99 (no plus eggs) will recover ~7500 HP (and twice that if you hit a water-type enemy) (and Physicals tend to have shit in the way of options in recovering HP), and Joan of Arc has great stats and makes Attacker RCV workable when needed.

I wonder what Mulan will get.

Yeah, they're not bad. I just  can't be bothered to skill them up.
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Post by: Chaore on August 22, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
The only thing I personally find questionable about her is her attribute: Light doesn't really have all that much in the way of Attackers, sadly. :T

Light attacker DOES want more cards though.

Just, Not two-prongs that aren't God, because Athena.... yeah. She'd actually be really good if she had a row, because Thor is pretty much slavering for more light attackers.
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Post by: commandercool on August 22, 2014, 11:33:02 PM
Her active isn't questionable at all-- it's just not what you expect out of an Attacker. In fact, it's fantastic. Attackers don't get much in the recovery department so getting double that for two turns can help you turn things around in a pinch. Her stats are actually great for an Attacker, too-- 3002/1556/312 is actually GREAT considering that type, since Attackers lack in the HP department too.

Oh is that the case? I thought Attacker tended to have okay recovery, just bad HP. The only Attacker monsters I own are the Eva ones at any rate, and that seems to be how they work. Small sample size I guess.

The only thing I personally find questionable about her is her attribute: Light doesn't really have all that much in the way of Attackers, sadly. :T

I will be putting Siegried on indefinite hold to make a Misato team now that I have her, and there's a hole in it that Joan can go in. Not sure she fits, since it likes rows and already has double recovery, but something with good HP is welcome.

Actually I'm kinda fond of these Dragon Knight girls-- so far they all have active skills for types that don't typically match them-- Himiko is a healer with damage reduction, Cleopatra is a Balanced poison user with an ACTUAL GOOD poison skill, Ishtar is a Physical whose active at lv99 (no plus eggs) will recover ~7500 HP (and twice that if you hit a water-type enemy) (and Physicals tend to have shit in the way of options in recovering HP), and Joan of Arc has great stats and makes Attacker RCV workable when needed.

I wonder what Mulan will get.

Yeah, they seem super cool so far. I regret not getting just one more Himiko in case we get ultevos that use all of them as material. Got to remember to grab four Cleopatras.
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 22, 2014, 11:55:23 PM
Oh is that the case? I thought Attacker tended to have okay recovery, just bad HP. The only Attacker monsters I own are the Eva ones at any rate, and that seems to be how they work. Small sample size I guess.

The Eva REM pulls are on the higher end of Attacker RCV (and even then it's kinda low in the grand scheme of things). The vast majority of Attackers are sub-200 and the ones who aren't are generally REM pulls or seriously lacking in another stat (see Phoenix or Unicorn, who have great RCV but absolute garbage HP).

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I will be putting Siegried on indefinite hold to make a Misato team now that I have her, and there's a hole in it that Joan can go in. Not sure she fits, since it likes rows and already has double recovery, but something with good HP is welcome.

Unfortunately HP is the hardest thing to come by in an attacker team. Maybe you'll get lucky and get a samurai dragon or something :v

Also maybe look into getting a Hurricane Volcano Dragon, since it's at least semi-farmable.

(Alternatively fuck it and pack a Gigas or something because while he's not an attacker and his RCV is actually negative his HP is the best in the game short of Satan and has attack stance - fire to fuel your rows)
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 23, 2014, 12:04:41 AM
Hurricane does have the problem of a slow orbchange, horrible awakenings, stupid cost and especially a trfruit requirement.

I actually haven't uvo'd him yet because of this, he's decent but far from good, especially since NA doesn't have his skillups and even then 10 turns for an orbchange is pretty bad.

Though considering he's farmable, I suppose that makes him pretty decent.
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 23, 2014, 02:01:40 AM
regarding two pronged Joan of Arc

I don't mind her not having a row enhance even if I do end up using her on TAMADRApurin. The overall stats are solid enough and only having to use 4 orbs makes breaking Mystic Masks and the like so much easier.
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Post by: Chaore on August 23, 2014, 02:16:41 AM
regarding two pronged Joan of Arc

I don't mind her not having a row enhance even if I do end up using her on TAMADRApurin. The overall stats are solid enough and only having to use 4 orbs makes breaking Mystic Masks and the like so much easier.

I mostly mean this for Thor, Two-prong just really doesn't fit with any of the teams she can go in.

It's not a matter of 'hey it's somewhat handy' it's just the wrong awakening. She -absurdly- wanted that row enhance.

Two-prong just kinda does nothing for her long-term.
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 23, 2014, 02:21:58 AM
If I had a Thor, it'd be great, but I can theorycraft about the mobs I do have.

The extent of Thor's Light Attackers basically consists of... Baal? Athena? Mephisto?

The lack of orb conversions is killer. :C
(R/L Suzaku kinda helps out the situation but with Fuma being Physical you still can't really do much...)
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Post by: Suikama on August 23, 2014, 02:24:05 AM
I mostly mean this for Thor, Two-prong just really doesn't fit with any of the teams she can go in.

It's not a matter of 'hey it's somewhat handy' it's just the wrong awakening. She -absurdly- wanted that row enhance.

Two-prong just kinda does nothing for her long-term.
seeing the word 'thor' right beside 'two-prong' made me read it as two-thong :derp:
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Post by: commandercool on August 23, 2014, 02:26:40 AM
Scraped together enough extra stones to comfortably do another Eva pull and got Mari. So I have every character now (although not Unit 13, but I don't really care about it enough to keep going). That REM went very favorably for me. Got everything I wanted with only five extras, and they're mostly of things I wanted two of anyway for low-cost dungeons.

(Alternatively fuck it and pack a Gigas or something because while he's not an attacker and his RCV is actually negative his HP is the best in the game short of Satan and has attack stance - fire to fuel your rows)

That's a pretty decent idea. I'm committed to using Misato, Asuka, and Rei on this team because it's basically just a goofy theme team anyway, but that leaves me two slots to fill. I'll probably be using King Flamie, and the last one will likely be either Gigas or Joan once she comes out. And I suppose when I eventually end up with REM stuff that fits the team better than the pilots I can have a second version of it that's actually good, but since I don't own any REM attackers right now I'm not that worried about it yet. Roommate's got a Thor though, so the second Girl Thor comes out here she'll be my helper forever, which should help some with the HP thing.
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Post by: Chaore on August 23, 2014, 02:26:58 AM
If I had a Thor, it'd be great, but I can theorycraft about the mobs I do have.

The extent of Thor's Light Attackers basically consists of... Baal? Athena? Mephisto?

The lack of orb conversions is killer. :C
(R/L Suzaku kinda helps out the situation but with Fuma being Physical you still can't really do much...)

Thor's current setup is Baal, Arthur, Athena, Probably Another Thor TBH.

But yeah, that's uh, why he wants more light attacker options

that aren't two-prong

ho ho ho
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Post by: trancehime on August 23, 2014, 05:45:58 AM
The extent of Thor's Light Attackers basically consists of... Baal? Athena? Mephisto?

mephistopheles is only Devil

sorry
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 23, 2014, 08:03:55 AM
<Chirei> Okay so uhhh
<Chirei> If anybody at all wanted to farm shitload of drops or jelly angels or whatnot
<Chirei> The drop rate with x2 on Expert seems to be one hundred fucking percent
<Chirei> and it's still 10 floors
<Chirei> So if you were interested in doing that and didn't care about the big 'lings at the end...

(http://i.imgur.com/AUNZw04.png)

Someone send help, they are multiplying like goddamn ants
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Post by: trancehime on August 23, 2014, 11:46:34 AM
i pulled a second flame jewel from the PEM

you are free to murder me now
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Post by: Edible on August 23, 2014, 02:07:19 PM
500 day consecutive login bonus.

:colonveeplusalpha:
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Post by: triangles on August 23, 2014, 02:20:46 PM
What do they even give out for that?  More stones for the gold dragon of disappointment?

Also
>Ocean Dragon Knight
>Invade Rate 3x

NO STOP THAT IS NOT COOL :(
I wonder if Master at 2x drop is better for the skill up teddybeardragonpig to cut down on dumb fairy chances?
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Post by: Edible on August 23, 2014, 02:41:00 PM
Another bundle of 10 stones.

I'll take it!
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Post by: trancehime on August 23, 2014, 03:10:54 PM
Another bundle of 10 stones.

I'll take it!

RIP total days login bonuses

500th day is the last one.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 23, 2014, 03:47:32 PM
I'm seeing a few things elsewhere that for every X50th day it's 5 stones, and for every X00th day it's 10 stones still, even past 500.

I guess Edible can find out in 50 more days :V
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Post by: Edible on August 23, 2014, 03:58:40 PM
RIP total days login bonuses

500th day is the last one.

;_;
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Post by: commandercool on August 23, 2014, 04:53:46 PM
I'm seeing a few things elsewhere that for every X50th day it's 5 stones, and for every X00th day it's 10 stones still, even past 500.

I guess Edible can find out in 50 more days :V

I hear that after 1337 days they give you the key to the back room where they keep the real Pal machine that drops nothing but Tamadras and Mew.
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Post by: Thaws on August 23, 2014, 04:57:56 PM
RIP total days login bonuses

500th day is the last one.

Where'd you get that from?
I can confirm there's still stones for 600th day....  :colonveeplusalpha:



The jewel event going on in Jap servers is getting a 1.5x encounter rate this event and it's apparently very good.
My friend said that he got 3 Fire Jewels in 3 runs of Zeus. :o He now has his own DISCO Hera UPUPUPUPUPUP :V
so jelly
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Post by: Chaore on August 23, 2014, 05:04:04 PM
Where'd you get that from?
I can confirm there's still stones for 600th day....  :colonveeplusalpha:

All that's listed on PAD wiki, I'm guessing.
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Post by: Suikama on August 23, 2014, 08:32:56 PM
<Chirei> Okay so uhhh
<Chirei> If anybody at all wanted to farm shitload of drops or jelly angels or whatnot
<Chirei> The drop rate with x2 on Expert seems to be one hundred fucking percent
<Chirei> and it's still 10 floors
<Chirei> So if you were interested in doing that and didn't care about the big 'lings at the end...

(http://i.imgur.com/AUNZw04.png)

Someone send help, they are multiplying like goddamn ants
oh nice

i guess i can finally try to finish maxing valk
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Post by: Chaore on August 23, 2014, 09:08:36 PM
i got the tama and the slow crawl to power for meimei. I'm good.

You can go no gungho. I'll skill up bastet when I get millions of dupe cattes.
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Post by: Edible on August 23, 2014, 09:16:54 PM
With one exception I've been running the gungho collab since it started.  I have four devilings. :(
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Post by: commandercool on August 23, 2014, 10:24:50 PM
Got the Unit 03 invade on the first floor of my first Master run of Angels Invade earlier. Zeruel dropped as well, so I have every angel now. Probably do Legend at some point for the stone, but mostly I'm good. Don't need any of these for skillups or particularly need Zeruel skillupped or awoken. Not bad.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 23, 2014, 10:32:46 PM
9 Droppies so far

Skillup event where
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Post by: commandercool on August 23, 2014, 10:40:42 PM
I accidentally got two more people into PAD earlier by showing off my Eva stuff in public. What have I doooone? :V Pretty sure one of them has already dropped money on it within hours of starting too, because he had more Eva machine pulls than he should have been able to for his rank.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 23, 2014, 11:11:54 PM
I accidentally got two more people into PAD earlier by showing off my Eva stuff in public. What have I doooone? :V Pretty sure one of them has already dropped money on it within hours of starting too, because he had more Eva machine pulls than he should have been able to for his rank.

game over

return of gungho

EDIT: SUDDENLY RANDOM X2 SKILLUP EVENT

(http://i.imgur.com/PiOSkPY.png)

:ISIS INTENSIFIES:
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Post by: Edible on August 24, 2014, 01:49:07 AM
With one exception I've been running the gungho collab since it started.  I have four devilings. :(

And no Bastet skillups.

fuckthisgayearth.jpg
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Post by: commandercool on August 24, 2014, 02:04:08 AM
9 Droppies so far

Skillup event where

For those who gathered skillup stuff, there seems to be a x2 skillup chance on now and for the next couple of hours. Got 1/2 white Valkyrie skillups, would have gathered more Drops if I had known about this. Oh well, I don't really ever use white Valkyrie anyway.
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Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 24, 2014, 02:19:33 AM
Have you guys heard anything about Starlight Sanctuary's plus egg rate dropping?  As soon as I can consistently beat I stopped seeing plus eggs for weeks
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 24, 2014, 02:40:50 AM
Have you guys heard anything about Starlight Sanctuary's plus egg rate dropping?  As soon as I can consistently beat I stopped seeing plus eggs for weeks

Don't think rates changed, but this can happen, unfortunately.

When I heard about OOH being overpowered for plus eggs I started farming it on weekends and got a lot initially, but for about a month it's been dry, giving nothing for as many as 9 runs in a row. Recently got a few last week though.
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Post by: commandercool on August 24, 2014, 02:52:14 AM
Yeah, my last couple of weeks have been relatively dry for + eggs as well. Did get a couple from Twilight Sanctuary earlier, but haven't seen one from Ocean Of Heaven in quite a while. Most of mine have been coming from mid-tier dungeons on 1.5x farming for Attack Stance Fire skillups and divine masks and things lately.
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 24, 2014, 02:59:41 AM
I haven't been able to touch Ocean of Heaven at all recently thanks to Canopus farming.
Feed six Canopus during this random 2x event and zero skill ups. Not unexpected.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 24, 2014, 03:02:53 AM
Fed 5 6th angels for nothing. At least I got a skill-up off of the tenth angels.
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Post by: trancehime on August 24, 2014, 05:46:32 AM
Where'd you get that from?
I can confirm there's still stones for 600th day....  :colonveeplusalpha:

oh ok just that all data I saw showed no indications of a pattern repeating itself like it was there for daily logins past the 7th consecutive day

and anyway 9 free TAMADRAs + Free Fruit Dragon = max awakening fruit dragon for 0 effort? I'll take it
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 24, 2014, 06:25:09 AM
Did my last run and totalled about 30 Drops this event, got Valk to Skill Level 6, so one short of max.

I'll see you next year or whenever, gung collab
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Post by: Thaws on August 24, 2014, 07:26:40 AM
And no Bastet skillups.

fuckthisgayearth.jpg
Hang in there :ohdear: Mine took 50 to max. =_="
Statistically you should be getting a Devillings drop streak someday... :V
If you can't wait for gungho collab, doing RO ACE Master can also be a source of devillings if you're lucky enough. There were times I got 2 from 4 runs, but also times I get nothing from the whole day.

Did my last run and totalled about 30 Drops this event, got Valk to Skill Level 6, so one short of max.

I'll see you next year or whenever, gung collab

They took valk skill ups out of gungho collab in japan for stupid PADZ dragon skill ups and Green Guan Yu skillup that never drops :ohdear: US might be getting the renewed one next time too...
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 24, 2014, 09:23:19 AM
They took valk skill ups out of gungho collab in japan for stupid PADZ dragon skill ups and Green Guan Yu skillup that never drops :ohdear: US might be getting the renewed one next time too...

OW. Suddenly I am glad that NA gets content later than Japan, I thought gung collab was a very suitable substitute for running gold dragons for light exp at the least.

I am actually planning to run RO ACE since it got rescheduled over here. Only got one Bastet skillup out of 7 Devilings but I'd probably want two more at least. Is the drop rate for wave 2 100% on Master or am I screwed there too?
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Post by: trancehime on August 24, 2014, 03:23:34 PM

They took valk skill ups out of gungho collab in japan for stupid PADZ dragon skill ups and Green Guan Yu skillup that never drops :ohdear: US might be getting the renewed one next time too...

yeah i just got the Illusory Dragon Anima skillup monster..

Anyway, Joan of Arc's dungeon is out today so we'll see how that goes.
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Post by: Chaore on August 24, 2014, 05:34:37 PM
They took valk skill ups out of gungho collab in japan for stupid PADZ dragon skill ups and Green Guan Yu skillup that never drops :ohdear: US might be getting the renewed one next time too...

Which is probably why we didn't get the renewed, despite being better for having evolved fucking monsters.

I didn't realize it was ALL just PADZ, jesus.
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Post by: Thaws on August 24, 2014, 09:29:26 PM
OW. Suddenly I am glad that NA gets content later than Japan, I thought gung collab was a very suitable substitute for running gold dragons for light exp at the least.

I am actually planning to run RO ACE since it got rescheduled over here. Only got one Bastet skillup out of 7 Devilings but I'd probably want two more at least. Is the drop rate for wave 2 100% on Master or am I screwed there too?

There's a new 1 star Light skill up mons that's also 10k exp and drops as often if not more than the light Porin thingy though.

Even RO Ace Legend's Wave 2 don't drop 100%. It sucks I know.
I thought Baskin Robins is a thing in the US, why aren't they bringing it over to US servers? (Though the drop rate there is 40% for a 40 stamina dungeon which is basically same as Gungho which has a 50% rate of getting devilling for a 50 stamina dungeon.)

My 2nd Bastet just got 2 skillups out of 5 devillings. I swear they program this so you only get skillups when you don't care. :V
On the other hand, my Umiyama finally gets to skill lv3 after 25 Blue Pirates. Seriously they only have to level up 3 times why is this so hard.

Which is probably why we didn't get the renewed, despite being better for having evolved fucking monsters.

I didn't realize it was ALL just PADZ, jesus.

I have to admit when I first saw the skills leaked, I thought they were original because the new PADZ dragons were so unmemorable.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 24, 2014, 10:27:41 PM
I thought Baskin Robins is a thing in the US, why aren't they bringing it over to US servers?

General gungho hate comments aside, this one genuinely confused me. If DBZ doesn't see a release US-side either that'd also be really weird, because I'm pretty sure it's way more well-known than EVA for example - not to mention we've gotten some collabs from some seriously odd franchises I've never even heard of like Gunma or whatever the Amitan one is. Some people say it's because of licensing issues but seriously, they're probably making enough money to make this happen over here anyway.
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Post by: commandercool on August 24, 2014, 10:36:27 PM
General gungho hate comments aside, this one genuinely confused me. If DBZ doesn't see a release US-side either that'd also be really weird, because I'm pretty sure it's way more well-known than EVA for example - not to mention we've gotten some collabs from some seriously odd franchises I've never even heard of like Gunma or whatever the Amitan one is. Some people say it's because of licensing issues but seriously, they're probably making enough money to make this happen over here anyway.

DBZ is certainly more popular than Eva, but do you think it's more likely to draw players? My vague impression of DBZ is that it's extremely recognizable and mainsteam, but maybe doesn't have quite as much of a diehard fanbase. I know five people personally who play PAD because of the Eva collab (and to a lesser extent, the Batman one for a couple of them) and half of those have dropped money just for it, me included. Maybe exactly the same thing would happen with DBZ, but I'm not sure of that. My nearly totally uninformed vague impulse would be to say that Eva is more likely to pay off on a licensing investment in the US than DBZ, for whatever little that's worth.
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Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 24, 2014, 10:37:53 PM
whatever the Amitan one is

This is literally the thing behind that collab. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takaoka,_Toyama) I dunno either.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 24, 2014, 10:41:38 PM
DBZ is certainly more popular than Eva, but do you think it's more likely to draw players?

I dunno about you but I would like to play a game where I can shoot a fucking kamehameha wave right into Zeus's face
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Post by: commandercool on August 24, 2014, 10:47:41 PM
I dunno about you but I would like to play a game where I can shoot a fucking kamehameha wave right into Zeus's face

Yeah, but you were playing already. :derp:
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Post by: Chaore on August 24, 2014, 11:24:39 PM
General gungho hate comments aside, this one genuinely confused me. If DBZ doesn't see a release US-side either that'd also be really weird, because I'm pretty sure it's way more well-known than EVA for example - not to mention we've gotten some collabs from some seriously odd franchises I've never even heard of like Gunma or whatever the Amitan one is. Some people say it's because of licensing issues but seriously, they're probably making enough money to make this happen over here anyway.

It's genuinely baffling and the WORST case of 'gungho does not bring NA collabs'. It was just released way before we had collabs any often- and they have only run it once since, though uh

why they didn't NOW is even more baffling- they even renewed it. Gungho, plz.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 25, 2014, 12:02:15 AM
Yeah, but you were playing already. :derp:

But I am currently not playing a game where it is possible to take out Frieza's final form by making Hello Kitty punch him in the face. At least in this region.
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Post by: commandercool on August 25, 2014, 12:28:39 AM
But I am currently not playing a game where it is possible to take out Frieza's final form by making Hello Kitty punch him in the face. At least in this region.

If DBZ came out here would you drop money on it? I don't know which is more profitable for Gungho, using licenses to try to attract new players, or trying to get established players to spend, but I assume they do know. And I'm not sure which of those DBZ would be good for.
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Post by: Jq1790 on August 25, 2014, 12:42:23 AM
If DBZ came out here would you drop money on it? I don't know which is more profitable for Gungho, using licenses to try to attract new players, or trying to get established players to spend, but I assume they do know. And I'm not sure which of those DBZ would be good for.

whynotboth.jpg

They're sickeningly well off, so they could easily afford it, cold they not?
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Post by: Chaore on August 25, 2014, 12:52:21 AM
If DBZ came out here would you drop money on it? I don't know which is more profitable for Gungho, using licenses to try to attract new players, or trying to get established players to spend, but I assume they do know. And I'm not sure which of those DBZ would be good for.

people would probably drop a shit ton and that's no question

likely with DBZ, it might be they wanted to save on licensing for a bit until everything they planned (Part 2) was out.

or they're dicks

either or, tbh
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Post by: commandercool on August 25, 2014, 12:58:51 AM
whynotboth.jpg

They're sickeningly well off, so they could easily afford it, cold they not?

It is both, of course. But a company with that much money to throw around probably knows what they're doing on some level, so I think it's safe to say if they haven't released it here yet there's probably a reason. My best guess is that that reason has something to do with how much they expect to make off of it versus how much it'll cost and when.

people would probably drop a shit ton and that's no question

likely with DBZ, it might be they wanted to save on licensing for a bit until everything they planned (Part 2) was out.

or they're dicks

either or, tbh

Makes as much sense as anything. I imagine we'll get it here, it's just a matter of when. The Eva re-release seems to be roughly timed to the DVD release of 3.33. Is there a big DBZ event upcoming that they can tie into?

On a related note, do you think they made a lot off of the Batman collab? I honestly don't know. I come from a gaming background where American comic licenses get thrown around a lot, and relatively speaking the DC license doesn't seem to be worth that much compared to how fickle the licensing is. But I have no idea how that works here. I have no background in mobile gaming and their numbers are much, much larger than tabletop gaming, so maybe that doesn't generalize at all. I also don't know how much of the BAO collab was related to DC/Warner and how much was to do with whoever published Arkham Origins. There are a lot of factors, and I'm not well informed on any of them in this case.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 25, 2014, 01:00:10 AM
If DBZ came out here would you drop money on it? I don't know which is more profitable for Gungho, using licenses to try to attract new players, or trying to get established players to spend, but I assume they do know. And I'm not sure which of those DBZ would be good for.

Well, since I've been in a position to make no income of my own for the past 22 years, that will unfortunately have to be a "no" on my end. Though with how strong the DBZ guys are, I really can't see people who DO spend money skipping out on the chance. Plus who doesn't want to team up with the Z fighters and mangle dragons and SATAN, even casually?
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Post by: Chaore on August 25, 2014, 01:40:56 AM
Well, since I've been in a position to make no income of my own for the past 22 years, that will unfortunately have to be a "no" on my end. Though with how strong the DBZ guys are, I really can't see people who DO spend money skipping out on the chance. Plus who doesn't want to team up with the Z fighters and mangle dragons and SATAN, even casually?

To be honest, I've gotten a lot of hideously negative opinions about tbh probably the best REM.

Seriously, people are weird.
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 25, 2014, 04:40:12 AM
I spent all week farming for Canopus. As I spend my last 50 stamina possible for one more run, I realize I have to save this one for Hadar's ult evo.

Alas, I have a skill level 5 Canopus, one away from max. I am a casual scrub.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 25, 2014, 04:48:51 AM
I spent all week farming for Canopus. As I spend my last 50 stamina possible for one more run, I realize I have to save this one for Hadar's ult evo.

Alas, I have a skill level 5 Canopus, one away from max. I am a casual scrub.

The skillup event has defeated everyone, there is no hope
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Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 25, 2014, 05:00:37 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/pRjnsfyl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/pRjnsfy.jpg)

I think I channeled triangles just in the nick of time because finally Sharulu has arrived.

I thought I had Cattleya, though, but apparently don't. Guess I get to stress over this once Mulan arrives :(
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Post by: trancehime on August 25, 2014, 09:51:50 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv3a0X7CcAA9nOe.jpg:large

New Samurai Dragon; it's a dragon themed after Naoe Kanetsugu.

The wings literally are 愛

it is the anti-chirei
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 25, 2014, 11:46:54 AM
So it turns out that Dark Kagutsuchi absolutely rips apart the conditional bosses. I kind of want my own now because 2000+ ATK sub with defense reduction seems really silly.
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Post by: triangles on August 25, 2014, 05:35:50 PM
I got my final three Sun Quan skill ups during the random x2 chance thing that popped up last night from the 6 or 8 dragonmanbearpigs I had stocked up since the previous event ended.  With few exceptions, it was the only thing I was running in the past 2 weeks.

My poor heart, it can't handle such shenanRNGans  :ohdear:
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 25, 2014, 06:09:11 PM
dragonmanbearpigs

50% dragon
50% man
50% bear
50% pig
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 26, 2014, 02:54:02 AM
So, about Xuanzang descending tomorrow.
Does anyone want a conveniently 20-cost unevolved Haku to use as a partner?

I was intending to try to use the Wadatsumi I scored earlier as a lead but then I got impatient and evolved him...

edit: ugh why do the heartbreakers have to triple in cost once they hit a decent evolution. I can't even use Gigas as a nice HP stick? :C
double edit: Why am I concerned about 20-cost statsticks when I have a +297 TAMADRApurin?  :smug:
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 26, 2014, 08:23:58 AM
>clear RO ACE on Master for the first time
>get Hrungnir with + on it
>rcv+

NOW HE HAS 3 RCV INSTEAD OF 0 YEAHHHHH  :dealwithit:
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Post by: trancehime on August 26, 2014, 09:28:06 AM
oh hey

NA's got the Pirate Dragon Zaerog now?
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 26, 2014, 10:40:03 AM
Apparently so, along with the final archangel uvos, norse god second ult branch and the astaroth uvos.

At this rate, I'll have an uvo'd Raphael before I have my Valk, I mean, I already have all of the uvo mats gathering dust, I just need to dump some exp into him.

I'll be a decent human being though, I'll do siegfried first, especially since I don't have the other subs for the healer team yet.
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Post by: commandercool on August 26, 2014, 12:48:08 PM
What. RO Ace up for 24 hours with no (that I was aware of) lead time? What do? Should I be grinding this out hoping to get one or two skillups on Valkyrie? Is it worth the time right now? Is anyone else going to be doing this and having 4* leaders up?
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Post by: Suikama on August 26, 2014, 12:55:38 PM
and still no topdroid awakenings

guess were never getting them
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 26, 2014, 01:25:47 PM
and still no topdroid awakenings

guess were never getting them

 :fail:

Meanwhile I'll sit here with my 3/9ths awakened droidragon :V

But yeah seriously. Apparently HK/TW doesn't get the Bikkuriman collab either so I'm shafted a little somewhat since I don't get access to easily made dual-color subs from dungeon...
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 26, 2014, 01:56:24 PM
What. RO Ace up for 24 hours with no (that I was aware of) lead time? What do? Should I be grinding this out hoping to get one or two skillups on Valkyrie? Is it worth the time right now? Is anyone else going to be doing this and having 4* leaders up?

I'll be grinding this all day with Batman up in slot 1.

I didn't get a drop on wave 1 so I assume it's not 100% on Master, but I did get a Deviling. Run at your own risk.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 26, 2014, 03:07:28 PM
:fail:

Meanwhile I'll sit here with my 3/9ths awakened droidragon :V

But yeah seriously. Apparently HK/TW doesn't get the Bikkuriman collab either so I'm shafted a little somewhat since I don't get access to easily made dual-color subs from dungeon...

Can't you just switch to JP then switch back? i know some people were doing that to take advantage of you guys having the EVA collab longer. Personally, I think they're ugly so I consider it a minor loss. I am a bit confused though. If I'm on the JP server. why am I able to add you as a friend?
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Post by: trancehime on August 26, 2014, 03:12:26 PM
Can't you just switch to JP then switch back? i know some people were doing that to take advantage of you guys having the EVA collab longer. Personally, I think they're ugly so I consider it a minor loss. I am a bit confused though. If I'm on the JP server. why am I able to add you as a friend?

HK/TW and JP use the exact same servers

HK/TW just don't have all the collaborations of Japan

Anyway, I got a Naga from the Vulcan dungeon just now, and I evolve her to Ecchi, L64 now so she almost at her full form and I could uevo her with a Mystic Mask.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 26, 2014, 03:43:55 PM
HK/TW and JP use the exact same servers

HK/TW just don't have all the collaborations of Japan

Anyway, I got a Naga from the Vulcan dungeon just now, and I evolve her to Ecchi, L64 now so she almost at her full form and I could uevo her with a Mystic Mask.

I wouldn't ult her right away. She actually losesstats until you get her maxed. Mine is lvl 99 and I still keep her 5* for conditionals.
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Post by: Jq1790 on August 26, 2014, 04:03:12 PM
Keeper of the Sacred Texts GET!

http://imgur.com/1ZcrjGn

http://imgur.com/NFFUO2W
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Post by: Edible on August 26, 2014, 04:04:54 PM
That dress is still <3
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Post by: Thaws on August 26, 2014, 04:22:03 PM
HK/TW just don't have all the collaborations of Japan

Anyway, I got a Naga from the Vulcan dungeon just now, and I evolve her to Ecchi, L64 now so she almost at her full form and I could uevo her with a Mystic Mask.

Still not tempted to switch over?  :V

Congratulations on getting a Naga! On a normal dungeon too!
Most bosses are now going to be a breeze for you! :]
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 26, 2014, 04:27:49 PM
Anyway, I got a Naga from the Vulcan dungeon just now, and I evolve her to Ecchi, L64 now so she almost at her full form and I could uevo her with a Mystic Mask.

I wouldn't ult her right away. She actually losesstats until you get her maxed. Mine is lvl 99 and I still keep her 5* for conditionals.

According to PDX, at about level 30, ecchi has about 30 more RCV than her uvo, but uvo has about 50 more attack. The attack difference starts getting increasingly higher and higher, and the RCV slowly begins to even out. If you're having trouble with teamcost or plan to run her for lowcost, keep her non-ultimate. Otherwise, unless that 30 RCV is somehow vital, I would jump for the attack asap.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 26, 2014, 04:34:32 PM
According to PDX, at about level 30, ecchi has about 30 more RCV than her uvo, but uvo has about 50 more attack. The attack difference starts getting increasingly higher and higher, and the RCV slowly begins to even out. If you're having trouble with teamcost or plan to run her for lowcost, keep her non-ultimate. Otherwise, unless that 30 RCV is somehow vital, I would jump for the attack asap.

Depends really. If you're going for a red-based team, sure, but a lot teams that use Echidna don't really care for her attack. Not ulting her also lets you put xp in to other things because as an early peaker, you can get a lot Echidna's stats for little xp.
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Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 26, 2014, 09:24:01 PM
After failed attempts at healer teaming and resist teaming because Dark Bind is a thing and would screw me over:

(http://i.imgur.com/h7LnLKSl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/h7LnLKS.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/0webDLCl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/0webDLC.jpg)

Not the team I expected to succeed with (thank you PescoAres) but it worked somehow!
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Post by: Jq1790 on August 26, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
All Conditonal dungeons clear!

Time to prepare for the Mythic Stone Dragon Caves...
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 26, 2014, 11:19:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/IeOjhwa.png)

Longest. Stallfest. EVER.

Took me about an hour and a half with Sylph/Leek x4/Sylph. What a solid, simple strategy tho
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Post by: Conqueror on August 27, 2014, 12:25:57 AM
and still no topdroid awakenings
Hell I just want a topdroid :V
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Post by: trancehime on August 27, 2014, 02:08:15 AM
Still not tempted to switch over?  :V

Congratulations on getting a Naga! On a normal dungeon too!
Most bosses are now going to be a breeze for you! :]

Thanks! Honestly, I can't be knackered to switch over so it's fine really. Unless I can get a JPN distro of PAD easily and know how to migrate the data, sure why not?
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 27, 2014, 02:13:06 AM
Ult. Gabriel get! That 723 RCV is crazy.

And now to get two more blue masks tomorrow.  :colonveeplusalpha:

Edit: I can theoretically make this team (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=1254.99.1.0.0.0.4..623.99.1.0.0.0.4..1100.99.1.0.0.0.3..1362.99.1.0.0.0.2..419.99.1.0.0.0.3..1254.99.1.0.0.0.4..) to tackle Legendary Seaway and just -barely- have the HP to survive both Beyzul and Wangren's attacks. A Light Izanami that's max skilled (...) could also damage reduce on all of Beyzul's attacks.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 27, 2014, 08:41:26 AM
Voting for Survey Dungeon 10 has begun as of approximately 1hr40 minutes ago.

My votes:
https://twitter.com/trancehime/status/504548461723652096 (BOSS: Green Chaser)
https://twitter.com/trancehime/status/504548867623243777 (GRUNT: Cyclops)


EDIT:

The Mid Ninjas are most likely getting new evolutions, upgrading to "High Ninja." This is because High Ninjas will appear in the dungeon for Naoe Kanetsugu's Descend.

They will be receiving the "Devil" subtype in addition to a primary type. However, you might think they all receive Attacker as the primary type. This isn't the case. The newly announced High Wood Ninja now becomes Balanced/Devil, with his LS being a 1.5x HP and ATK boost to Balanced types, for example. You might also be disappointed to learn that they get completely different Active Skills... but do not despair! They actually skillup existing monsters! High Wood Ninja skills up Thumbelina while High Dark Ninja skills up Rebel Seraph Lucifer. Not even kidding.

A 12 cost guy with Morning Star who is Attacker/Devil? Sure I'll take it.

Also, stats for Naoe Kanetsugu came out:

Active Skill - Heals 20% of your maximum HP, and restores 1 turn of binds
Leader Skill - Boosts the ATK, and HP of Dragon and Attacker types by 2x
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 27, 2014, 01:05:09 PM
CYCLOPS DUNGEON AND LUCI SKILLUPS GOD BLESS

(lol irony of ironies, high dark ninja gets 1/2 bind immunity, something Luci has wanted forever)
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Post by: trancehime on August 27, 2014, 01:36:55 PM
Survey Dungeon 10 current vote counts as of a while ago:

BOSS:
1. Green Chaser 1975
2. Yellow Chaser 1200
3. Red Chaser 1055

GRUNT:
1. Kodama (Sasuke skillup) 1531
2. Neneko (Hatsume skillup) 826
3. Cyclops (Apollo skillup) 701

vote vote vote!
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 27, 2014, 02:06:52 PM
Never mind. I have Sasuke but no desire to use him :fail:

Getting farmable light chasers would have been great, too. Sigh.
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Post by: trancehime on August 27, 2014, 03:00:46 PM
Never mind. I have Sasuke but no desire to use him :fail:

Getting farmable light chasers would have been great, too. Sigh.

Well, don't be in a despair, the voting ends halfway through next week, so there may be a chance for Cyclops to take the lead, but who knows?

I'm just happy the King Baddie group decides to back off for now honestly
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Post by: Chaore on August 27, 2014, 03:19:38 PM
genbu supremecy yeaahhh (sorry matsy, ;w;)

naoe is really underwhelming but atleast he has a team i'd say

luci skill ups came too late and they're going to treat that as the most recent bandaid on luci he's fine now etc. Also probably going to be a bitch to farm since you know, descended drop.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 27, 2014, 03:52:36 PM
genbu supremecy yeaahhh (sorry matsy, ;w;)

Leilan nO

luci skill ups came too late and they're going to treat that as the most recent bandaid on luci he's fine now etc. Also probably going to be a bitch to farm since you know, descended drop.

Just wait until watery temptress comes around again, save up a million ninjas and get ready to farm super metals for the rest of your life
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Post by: Thaws on August 27, 2014, 05:04:37 PM
Lmao high dark ninja is stealing all the spot light, no one cares about Naoe.
Will they pull a Noah and say they "messed up and uploaded an old pic" again?

Hoping that High Dark Ninja open ups some new possibilities on cost-restriction dungeon teams and makes it easier.
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Post by: commandercool on August 27, 2014, 05:14:31 PM
I'm more interested in what the rest of the ninjas will do. Do they ever do skillup fodder for event monsters? A Misato skillup would be the greatest thing ever. Or maybe an Echidna skillup other than Naga.
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Post by: triangles on August 27, 2014, 05:56:10 PM
I think the closest you'll get is some collabs having overlapping skill-up monsters, I can't think of any for event REM only but with all the JP only stuff out there ~who knows~

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Post by: Suikama on August 27, 2014, 06:04:53 PM
Mid ninjas need 177k exp to evolve

177k exp per skill up fodder oh boy
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Post by: Edible on August 27, 2014, 06:11:02 PM
Hopefully they're ult evos

... hopefully they actually drop as fully evolved, at least
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Post by: Suikama on August 27, 2014, 06:33:29 PM
look at this dungeon (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/mission.asp?m=766)

>31k PREMPTIVE ATTACK

Basically gungho trying to phase out Kirins in favor of all the new x3 attack x1.35 HP leaders

on the other hand dual odin would just laugh at her because she has no multi hitting moves. cant say the same for the rest of the dungeon though
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Post by: Edible on August 27, 2014, 06:35:05 PM
Basically gungho trying to phase out Kirins in favor of all the new x3 attack x1.35 HP leaders

And failing, because susano/indra/etc exist :V
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Post by: Suikama on August 27, 2014, 06:39:06 PM
Hmm true

Kinda hard to stall in a boss rush but at least Hera-Sol is a pushover and gives you a whole bunch of turns


I guess Kirin with Susanoo/Kushi, Isis/Metatron, Echidna/Other delay, and an orb changer or something might work.
Floor 1 you get 1 free turn because Isis/Meta are bind proof, and another free turn if you beat her to 25% HP.
Floor 2 you also get free turns when she binds and you clear it with Isis/Meta.
Floor 3 again you get a free turn when she's low and with enough +eggs you can take at least one 18k hit.
Floor 4 use echidna.
Floor 5 is lol easy, make sure to end it with Susanoo though.
Final boss unleash gravities + light orb changer to one hit.

I have no idea what to do if the Metal Dragon spawns though. Pray to Anubis i guess?
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Post by: Edible on August 27, 2014, 06:48:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sxfONKhnhc

Here's a usual-ish setup, kirin/echidna/lmeta/lvalk/indra/kirin
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 27, 2014, 06:55:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sxfONKhnhc

Here's a usual-ish setup, kirin/echidna/lmeta/lvalk/indra/kirin
>8 combo
>9 combo
>10 combo
>8 combo
>8 combo

this guy might as well just use Anubis...
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 27, 2014, 07:21:14 PM
I think I posted a Godin clear of Hera Rush earlier in the thread, too. Granted, it also used some odd leader swapping shenanigans but it can be Godin'd through.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on August 27, 2014, 08:21:15 PM
I think the closest you'll get is some collabs having overlapping skill-up monsters, I can't think of any for event REM only but with all the JP only stuff out there ~who knows~

As far as I know the only collab-exclusive monster getting a skill-up besides PADZ stuff is PAD BT's Light Dragon Girl whatever her name is translated to, who got a skill up in the Saint  Seiya collab.
But whether PADBT can be considered a collab is arguable I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 27, 2014, 10:08:17 PM
Lmao high dark ninja is stealing all the spot light, no one cares about Naoe.
Will they pull a Noah and say they "messed up and uploaded an old pic" again?

Here atleast. I'm pretty sure most people don't care about luci skillups anymore.

Naoe is underwhelming too, though uh hey, Joann has a team now! (It's crap probably, but it exists.)
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Post by: trancehime on August 28, 2014, 12:32:06 AM
Hopefully they're ult evos

... hopefully they actually drop as fully evolved, at least

>hopefully they're ult evos
>mid ninjas cap at 50

?_?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sxfONKhnhc

Here's a usual-ish setup, kirin/echidna/lmeta/lvalk/indra/kirin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLdUBUKidR4&list=UUBBi5zCvAvvXbcgwUWV4wjw here's a pandora team for hera rush; with JPN commentary

Naoe is underwhelming too, though uh hey, Joann has a team now! (It's crap probably, but it exists.)

when the fuck will dragons ever get good UGH
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Post by: Chaore on August 28, 2014, 12:42:56 AM
when the fuck will dragons ever get good UGH

Freyr.

I'm not even kidding, Freyrs got a lot of legit options and pretty quality subs like Ronia.

Red dragon strongk.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 28, 2014, 12:57:13 AM
Freyr, Uriel, Guan-Yu, Haku, Zeus-Vulcan, Motherfucking SUPER SAIYAN GOKU etc

also a bunch of the Chinese girls have Dragon forms


Although I guess if you want literal Dragons as opposed to people who are riding/summoning/whatevering dragons then you're still out of luck :V :V
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Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on August 28, 2014, 12:58:57 AM
Freyr.

I'm not even kidding, Freyrs got a lot of legit options and pretty quality subs like Ronia.

Red dragon strongk.

Oh should I actually consider switching my Freyr? :V

Maybe leave him for now at least though I don't think I have many sub options for redfruit Freyr even if I have the fruit.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 28, 2014, 01:15:24 AM
Freyr.

I'm not even kidding, Freyrs got a lot of legit options and pretty quality subs like Ronia.

Red dragon strongk.

It seems almost anything related to Red Sonia is decent because they can get a decent team of them plus four Sonias.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 28, 2014, 01:16:44 AM
Although I guess if you want literal Dragons as opposed to people who are riding/summoning/whatevering dragons then you're still out of luck :V :V

Which is why I will be one day making a team with a Zaerog Lead.

Even if it's utter garbage.

PLS GUNGHO I WANT ACTUAL DRAGONS NOT JUST MONS WITH DRAGON-Y STUFF ):
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Post by: trancehime on August 28, 2014, 01:40:04 AM
Although I guess if you want literal Dragons as opposed to people who are riding/summoning/whatevering dragons then you're still out of luck :V :V

That's the thing. All the good Dragon types (either as primary or subtype) aren't literally dragons; they're just people with dragon-traits/dragon-related, or dragon riders (Freyr), or some such.

Like, you have Zaerog, who looks cool as hell, but he's really not that great, even when cost was lowered from 110 (!!!!) to 60... And Bold Pirate Lord Zaerog's not exactly that much better than Maleficent Dragon Lord form, they are probably comparable... You got the 5 Mechdragon Fusions who look really cool too but you need the fusions of Mechdragons to get God Canopus or Demon Hadar, I dunno how really good they are. The list goes on and on where literal dragons are the epitome of mediocrity. Even Healers are a lot better than dragon, they have got an increasing variety of options. NA is also getting access to Balanced-type boosters as well.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on August 28, 2014, 01:43:44 AM
Oh should I actually consider switching my Freyr? :V

Maybe leave him for now at least though I don't think I have many sub options for redfruit Freyr even if I have the fruit.

Uhhh not really. R/R Freyr is generally still a better sub- R/L Freyr, while awesome, is not really any better if you don't have his team.

It seems almost anything related to Red Sonia is decent because they can get a decent team of them plus four Sonias.

Essentially. I mean, Freyr has more options than just sonia which is a very real thing and super important- But yeah, Sonia is stupid.

That active is honestly just too good.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 28, 2014, 01:52:21 AM
Like, you have Zaerog, who looks cool as hell, but he's really not that great, even when cost was lowered from 110 (!!!!) to 60... And Bold Pirate Lord Zaerog's not exactly that much better than Maleficent Dragon Lord form, they are probably comparable...
Bold Pirate Zaerog is better than Maleficent Zaerog as a sub, at the very least. His awakenings might not be as good but he's got the decent active and outright better stats than Maleficent.

Of course, his negative RCV still proves to be a problem, he's still a rather mediocre statstick even after you take the massive increase from the uvo into account + awakenings and he's primarily water which means that he can't really be paired with most good dragons (which are either red or dark) though his dark sub attribute does mitigate that somewhat.

And Maleficent Zaerog, despite having a godlike leader skill in theory, suffers from extremely long cooldown on his active (and since getting zaerog is next to impossible skilling it up isn't exactly an option either) has absolutely terrible stats especially for the 5 million experience curve and only decent awakenings.

Plus, both Zaerogs suffer from the exorbitant cost problem, 60 cost is still the highest in the game, even if it is much lower than the original 110.

GUNGHO PLS
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 28, 2014, 02:09:52 AM
Bold Pirate Zaerog is better than Maleficent Zaerog as a sub, at the very least. His awakenings might not be as good but he's got the decent active and outright better stats than Maleficent.

Bold Pirate's evo requirements are also nasty as fuck - all 5 colored Pirate Dragons :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 28, 2014, 02:34:38 AM
Not like Maleficent is much better with that delicious Super Metal King, Trifruits and Devilit Requirement :colonveeplusalpha:

The only respite you can take off of Maleficent is that you always know when you can get his evo mats, other than that though...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 28, 2014, 03:19:45 AM
also actually getting zaerog is way harder than any of his evo mats
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 28, 2014, 03:21:49 AM
True enough I suppose, I heard that Legendary Earth is the hardest dungeon in the game - topping even any and all descends.

How much of that is true, by the way?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 28, 2014, 03:26:48 AM
its not so much 'hard' as it is a huge pain with a super luck based floor one and astronomical stamina cost

not to mention the mere 1/3 chance of zaerog actually dropping
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Post by: trancehime on August 28, 2014, 05:58:13 AM
The conditional for Naoe Kanetsugu's descend?

You have to have a Rainbow team.

Yay!
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Post by: Thaws on August 28, 2014, 06:34:59 AM
The conditional for Naoe Kanetsugu's descend?

You have to have a Rainbow team.

Yay!

My Ra is ready. :V



Jewels 1.5x up is awesome, finally had my first chinese god random encounter ever after 3 runs of Goemon, 1 fire jewel down 2 more to go.
Water healers team is the best. Have 28k hp with over 3800 recovery right now. Goemon myth is now a joke. :V
I wished I had rolled pink gacha more so I have a Ruka to replace Siren. :/
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 28, 2014, 07:25:53 AM
blow almost an entire bar of 110 stamina on thursday dungeon

feed loads of skillups to toytops and just watch the bar go away with no skillups gained

I seriously want to know who thought this was a good idea so I can point them in the direction of the nearest psych ward because they need to get their head checked
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Post by: Yukarin on August 28, 2014, 08:40:26 AM
My Ra is ready. :V

as is my horus

finally i get to play him again yay
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Post by: trancehime on August 28, 2014, 09:00:46 AM
High Fire Ninja - Balanced/Devil
AS: Dragon Attack Stance - Fire (Flame Dragon Knight skill JPN version only, do not confuse with Himiko)
LS: ATK and RCV of Balanced monsters x1.5

High Light Ninja - Physical/Devil
AS: Curse of Lightning (Baal skill)
LS: ATK and HP of Physical monsters x1.5

High Water Ninja - Healer/Devil (fuck, so much for thinking Light was gonna be Healer!)
AS: Protection Magic Water (Snow White Skill)
LS: ATK and HP of Healer monsters x1.5

You may seen these on PDX already.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 28, 2014, 11:58:27 AM
Baal getting a non collaboration skillup material is a huge deal, me thinks. By extension, we're almost guaranteed to get it outside of Japan as well!

Also I have no Gabriel friends to tackle Goemon with and I'm incredibly sad.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 28, 2014, 12:40:11 PM
Do descend bosses always drop a treasure chest when they don't drop their egg, or is Goemon just a particular troll? :wat: :D
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 28, 2014, 01:11:01 PM
A couple of close calls, but I did it. If I had known this would work for sure, I'd have done it tomorrow on the 2x.

(http://i.imgur.com/1a4VCrh.png)

Used Leilan+Purin this time, and threw a super gold at Bane to try and get enough HP to survive Red Muspelheim incase he spawned with a low timer, but that ended up not happening. Oh well.

Enjoy your pal points fanatic
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Post by: Edible on August 28, 2014, 01:47:39 PM
At this point I've probably "won" around 40 blue or green dragon fruits, to one red fruit.

Seriously, fuck thursday dungeon.  This is horseshit. :|
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 28, 2014, 01:56:27 PM
At this point I've probably "won" around 40 blue or green dragon fruits, to one red fruit.

Seriously, fuck thursday dungeon.  This is horseshit. :|

i got a total of 3 dragon fruits (no not trifruits. regular dragon fruits) out of about 20 thursday dungeon (non trifruit) runs. LIFETIME.

god. tell me about it.  and half of those runs were during x2.0 drop rate.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 28, 2014, 02:17:37 PM
I'm just so glad I'm done with fucking Twinlits because you all know how dismal my luck on Angelits was  :ohdear:
:hi5: fellow bad at getting the right drops buddies.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 28, 2014, 02:42:46 PM
I'm just so glad I'm done with fucking Twinlits because you all know how dismal my luck on Angelits was  :ohdear:
:hi5: fellow bad at getting the right drops buddies.

You could also be me and require a metric ton of single Mythlits.

Yeah...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Conqueror on August 28, 2014, 03:15:13 PM
I'm overflowing with Dub-Mythlits but can't get a single dub-Topalit to save my life. Got more Myths than topas in the past few weeks of farming when all I need is topas.

Also, tackled Goemon legend with Ruka + Hermes Water/Healer team and got the drop! Woo.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on August 28, 2014, 03:16:22 PM
I'm just so glad I'm done with fucking Twinlits because you all know how dismal my luck on Angelits was  :ohdear:
:hi5: fellow bad at getting the right drops buddies.

:hi5:
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Post by: Edible on August 28, 2014, 03:18:18 PM
You could also be me and require a metric ton of single Mythlits.

Yeah...

We've been there, trust us.

Mythlits and dragon fruits are one thing, they drop in low-stamina dungeons that can be run by pretty much anything and often appear in dungeons other than where they're farmed such as regular normals or technicals.

Farming angelits/devilits and color dragon fruits is another thing entirely.  They're mythical-level difficulty at 50 stamina a run and require very specific teams to beat, because they offer extremely little flexibility in terms of actions you must perform on specific rounds.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 28, 2014, 03:21:36 PM
Goemon gave me gold a second time. What a jerk. If I needed gold I'd go beat up some weekend furries for it. (I don't even really want a Goemon, I just got nothing better going on today).

As for bad drops, I need one more Dub-Rubylit to finish my Eva team for now, and I've gotten a single one to drop out of the 17 of them I've seen since Monday. At least half of those were on 1.5x drops. Why is it that wood devils and demons always drop on every floor they appear on in Vesta Cave? At least give me fire trash so I can level my Misato.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 28, 2014, 04:20:53 PM
One of my friends suddenly used a Hermes and I got to tackle Goemon with that.

It was surprisingly scary! If not for the fact that I had four heartmakers I might have GO'd.
Also nervewracking was when he could have killed me with Coin Toss because I flubbed my matching but he used a regular attack instead.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 28, 2014, 04:25:23 PM
Farming angelits/devilits and color dragon fruits is another thing entirely.  They're mythical-level difficulty at 50 stamina a run and require very specific teams to beat, because they offer extremely little flexibility in terms of actions you must perform on specific rounds.
Another thing with these stupid dungeons (at least Twinlits) is even with teams that can zero-stone the dungeon you can very easily get Round 1 orb screwed or surprise cascade insta-clear and welp there goes 50 stamina completely out of your control.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 28, 2014, 08:35:51 PM
I'm overflowing with Dub-Mythlits but can't get a single dub-Topalit to save my life. Got more Myths than topas in the past few weeks of farming when all I need is topas.

I just farm sky city for those on 1.5x, slow but you might get lucky, and the exp is great.

(I kind of have to now, got dubmyth flooded from unboosted starlight sanctuary of all things. Any more and there goes my box >_>)


Edit to avoid doublepost: Evolved the last three copperheads I had from batman one by one. Lilith gets the final skillup she needs to be maxed on the very last one.

There is a god out there.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 29, 2014, 02:39:42 AM
One-Stoned Goemon Descended on Legend, miscalculated my damage (AKA too many skyfalls) and took Mitsuki's Flaming Tail Attack to the face.

Fortunately that (+ Goemon spawning on a 2 timer) actually meant that I had BARELY enough time to heal up to survive Ninja Fireworks (12% fire damage reduction saving me here) and have Tyrannos up to get most of Goemon's HP down on a simple Tyrannos/Ares/Meteor Volcano Dragon/Horus Combo.

Then, just pop Gigas and make 3 different fire matches and I win, Goemon dropped so that's great since I wanted him on my monored in place of my Meteor Volcano Dragon.

Wish I could skill him up but that's for the future, now I just need to dump a ton of exp on him, which is actually fine when you consider the sheer fact that I have a Rouge sitting on my box. The problematic part will be increasing my rank to get another 9 team cost, but eh.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 29, 2014, 03:26:48 AM
What're your thoughts everyone on Sandalphon? I'm considering picking one up on Saturday to replace King Shynee at least some of the time. Is he worth it? The 60 cost is hefty as hell, but I'm only three or four rank-ups away from being able to afford it. Will x2 attack for two turns be significantly worse than x3 attack for one turn? It matters the most against high defenses, but huge defense numbers don't seem that common in late-game stuff and I'll always know it's coming.

Shynee's big flaws are terrible stats and lack of versatility, and Sandalphon has much better stats and a much more versatile set of traits. His ability takes much longer to charge up though and I often find myself just barely managing to stall long enough to get Shynee up, so that might be a problem too.
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Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 29, 2014, 04:04:34 AM
I only ever use Sandy if I know I can get away with it.  I'm halfway to +297 on Shynee and Sandy isn't even maxed.  That cooldown is brutal for a team that can't take hits.  I may feel differently after a few hundred more +HP
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 29, 2014, 04:09:48 AM
I only ever use Sandy if I know I can get away with it.  I'm halfway to +297 on Shynee and Sandy isn't even maxed.  That cooldown is brutal for a team that can't take hits.  I may feel differently after a few hundred more +HP

Hmm, what king of skillups do you have on that King Shynee? Every time I have a gold king I think about saving it to manufacture more King Shynees for skillups, but always give up when I remember how long farming the Topalits will take.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on August 29, 2014, 05:16:57 AM
What're your thoughts everyone on Sandalphon? I'm considering picking one up on Saturday to replace King Shynee at least some of the time. Is he worth it? The 60 cost is hefty as hell, but I'm only three or four rank-ups away from being able to afford it. Will x2 attack for two turns be significantly worse than x3 attack for one turn? It matters the most against high defenses, but huge defense numbers don't seem that common in late-game stuff and I'll always know it's coming.

Shynee's big flaws are terrible stats and lack of versatility, and Sandalphon has much better stats and a much more versatile set of traits. His ability takes much longer to charge up though and I often find myself just barely managing to stall long enough to get Shynee up, so that might be a problem too.

This is coming from someone who only has experience using Sun Quan, Izanagi and Shynee, so I'm not sure if it'd apply to you.

First of all, I couldn't stand Shynee's terrible stats and I switched it out for Izanagi as soon as I was lucky enough to roll one. (Though I'm a Bastet user, Valk sadly still does not have god type, when her name was literally Goddess of the White Shield before her ult) but I can tell you the extra hp is really helpful.
Sandalphon's 25 cd is indeed terrible, you can try to casually skill him up a bit when you can no-stone the dungeon. Not sure if it's worth throwing stones at for though.
2x attack is quite a difference from 3x, so that'd depend on the monsters you have at your disposal and how much damage you need.
Having 2 turns is not as useful as you think, most of the time you have to depend on that one time burst with all your orb changing skills and stuff, but if you have two valks it does allow you to do a bit of extra damage for another turn.
High def stuff is not the concern here because they're usually mid-stage stuff and you should be saving the enhance for the boss. There are exceptions though, mainly stages involving tamadras where you can enhance and kill all other mons leaving the tamadra intact (it has ridiculous def so it's ok), and you can proceed to stall for skills and arrange orbs in your favour.

In the end, it depends on whether you need the extra hp to maybe survive that one hit from a certain wave, or if stalling for 25 turns is possible and so on. It's always better to have more choices and flexibility in your team for facing different dungeons.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on August 29, 2014, 05:22:00 AM
All those Mystic masks require a mystic mask and a keeper to evolve. Ow.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 29, 2014, 08:38:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edOcTXDxHg4

Kosuke takes on "Gift from the Sacred Beasts," the "Chinagirl Dungeon" which is one-time as of now. He uses Pandora x2, Gryps Rider Vector Finn x2 and Rodin x2

Unfortunately, I was wrong when I discussed it on IRC.

It is literally a gift dungeon and you must pray for the thing you want to appear...

All those Mystic masks require a mystic mask and a keeper to evolve. Ow.

And a fucking divine mask too are you fucking serious

GungHo why
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Post by: Yukarin on August 29, 2014, 11:35:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edOcTXDxHg4

oh what the fuck this is cooool where do we get this in NA?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on August 29, 2014, 11:42:58 AM
oh what the fuck this is cooool where do we get this in NA?
Pfft, keep draming, Yukarin.  We probably won't see this for a stupid long time if ever.

I forget, did we get the Fruit Dragon dungeon yet?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 29, 2014, 12:25:34 PM
nope i'm still waiting for it...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 29, 2014, 12:36:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edOcTXDxHg4

Kosuke takes on "Gift from the Sacred Beasts," the "Chinagirl Dungeon" which is one-time as of now. He uses Pandora x2, Gryps Rider Vector Finn x2 and Rodin x2

Unfortunately, I was wrong when I discussed it on IRC.

It is literally a gift dungeon and you must pray for the thing you want to appear...

!!

I don't have any of them, I would love this. I'm sure by the time we ever get this I'll have stumbled across one and probably win a duplicate of that one. Still, free REM monsters are free REM monsters.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on August 29, 2014, 12:39:09 PM
Wait is it actually a Chinese girl drop or is it just a free Jewel
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on August 29, 2014, 12:41:49 PM
What're your thoughts everyone on Sandalphon?
I love him, I threw down a few stones to grab him and I'm very glad I did because stat wise he blows Shynee out of the water.  Also the leader skill is pretty sweet if you need to tank a hit.

However that is a long cooldown to stall for so it'll be situational - though many descends have a stall floor even healer teams can make use of - and hell if I have a team that can zero stone that dungeon yet to skill him up.  But I have a max skill Sun Quan who is on a much lower cooldown with the same 2 turn 2x, and a beefy Metatron so I have more wiggle room than a lot of folks. 

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Post by: commandercool on August 29, 2014, 01:12:38 PM
Wait is it actually a Chinese girl drop or is it just a free Jewel

I saw the gold egg drop and just assumed. Although I guess jewels would probably drop in gold eggs too, wouldn't they? The video doesn't seem to show either way.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on August 29, 2014, 01:18:51 PM
Wait is it actually a Chinese girl drop or is it just a free Jewel

Free Jewel.

NOT a Chinese girl drop
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Post by: Suikama on August 29, 2014, 01:19:21 PM
Yeah that's what I thought
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 29, 2014, 01:29:12 PM
That does make sense. Man, those jewels are so tedious. Not looking forward to ever having to deal with that.
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Post by: trancehime on August 29, 2014, 01:31:51 PM
That does make sense. Man, those jewels are so tedious. Not looking forward to ever having to deal with that.

Boy I sure am glad I have 2 Flame Jewels and 1 Light Jewel.

Nothing to evolve with and certainly I don't have a Leilan of my own to skill up with the Flame Jewel.
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 29, 2014, 01:43:14 PM
All those Mystic masks require a mystic mask and a keeper to evolve. Ow.

Might as well forget these guys even exist as far as skillup material goes, then.

I think GungHo's getting desperate at this point.

@Edit

Hey, if my only objective is to farm for Phoenixses, does difficulty matter at all on Mystic Fire Dragon?

Otherwise I'll just run intermediate, I kinda wanna skillup my Horus.

Also, Archangels/Norse Godfest announced which is... actually exactly what I wanted.

Fuck, I may actually have to buy stones for this.
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Post by: Suikama on August 29, 2014, 01:51:21 PM
Boy I sure am glad I have 2 Flame Jewels and 1 Light Jewel.

Nothing to evolve with and certainly I don't have a Leilan of my own to skill up with the Flame Jewel.
If you get one more flame jewel though you can get Ultimate Hera-Ur :V
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Post by: trancehime on August 29, 2014, 01:55:21 PM
Might as well forget these guys even exist as far as skillup material goes, then.

I think GungHo's getting desperate at this point.

No they're just being greedy

I'll inform you if it's possible to get High ninja as drops

If you get one more flame jewel though you can get Ultimate Hera-Ur :V

You can tell me this wonderful news when I actually HAVE a Hera-Ur, because I literally only need 1 more Flame Jewel to have all mats for Hera-Ur age-age
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 29, 2014, 02:19:45 PM
Also, Archangels/Norse Godfest announced which is... actually exactly what I wanted.

Fuck, I may actually have to buy stones for this.

I would have been saying this along with you if I hadn't pulled Lu Bu and got the announcement of Ult Astaroths and Ult FA Lucifers. Now I've set my desire away from I&I because I'm kinda set forever now :V

Speaking of devils though

(http://i.imgur.com/VCmhe61.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/qkfkPKG.png)

...was that SUPPOSED to be as easy as it was, or does Kirin really just break everything for that dungeon? I had to use one stone only because Lilith got one hit on me because I had to stall for orbs, but that wasn't enough to take me down-- then the Vampires got me, but I would not have had to use one if I had enough light orbs to hit them all at once. Aside from Satan's preemptive, he never hit me. Neither did anything else, really. 

For real though that wasn't just easy for my team, but farmable if I really want it to be...
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Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 29, 2014, 02:26:16 PM
My Shynee has a 13 turn cooldown, the same as the Dynasty Warrior Twins unskilled.

Sandy can get quite low too, but I can't consistently beat his dungeon yet, by the time I can there might be a better healer enhancer.

Thaws is right though, more options for your core team allows you to put most of your eggs in a single basket, which for a game like PAD works out really well. 
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 29, 2014, 03:28:18 PM
The stones have been bought, I am now an IAP player  :ohdear:

Counting tomorrow's free stone I have 13 pulls this godfest, let's see if I can get my Freyr, Uriel and/or Fire Valkyrie.
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Post by: Chaore on August 29, 2014, 04:46:56 PM
aaaaa genbu jewels are up with satan whos kinda piss easy and there super emeralds

what do i dooooooo
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 29, 2014, 04:54:14 PM
I would have been saying this along with you if I hadn't pulled Lu Bu and got the announcement of Ult Astaroths and Ult FA Lucifers. Now I've set my desire away from I&I because I'm kinda set forever now :V

...was that SUPPOSED to be as easy as it was, or does Kirin really just break everything for that dungeon? I had to use one stone only because Lilith got one hit on me because I had to stall for orbs, but that wasn't enough to take me down-- then the Vampires got me, but I would not have had to use one if I had enough light orbs to hit them all at once. Aside from Satan's preemptive, he never hit me. Neither did anything else, really. 

For real though that wasn't just easy for my team, but farmable if I really want it to be...

Light spikiing teams in general wreck satan from what I hear(only used Kirin myself, but others have valked it,) and the whole match x, x, and x is made easier by the fact there are no hearts. Kirin is both of those, so she probably has the best of both worlds.

Yeah, I agree on Lilith being the hardest floor. She likes spawning with 1 timer, and one 1 hit means Satans pre-emptive will kill you.

I don't know if want to roll. I really want Freyja, wouldn't mind another I&I, Freyr can replace Tyrannos, and Loki can go in Satan. Only problem is thor, but I think I slot him in Athena or some other light team.

Archangels, on the other hand, I'm not as crazy about. Gabe would be another reason to convince me to switch I&I, and I can use Micheal in Perseus. However, I don't need Luci or Uriel, and I already have Raph, who I'm far from exited about. Most people seem to prefer Sasuke to Micheal too, so the only person I really want is Gabe, and even then I probably want Hatsume more.

i think I'll stay out of this one, and wait for them to team up with Chinese or Heroes. This give me more time to gather stones and take care of the space that's being taken up by Sixth angels.

aaaaa genbu jewels are up with satan whos kinda piss easy and there super emeralds

what do i dooooooo

How badly do you want the emeralds. Genbu's kinda annoying though with her skill bind. If Kirin didn't no sell it, things would have probably gotten ugly.
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Post by: Chaore on August 29, 2014, 05:00:53 PM
How badly do you want the emeralds. Genbu's kinda annoying though with her skill bind. If Kirin didn't no sell it, things would have probably gotten ugly.

Genbus not maxed, and a lot of green shit is laying around needing levels.

Genbu would normally wreck me since I need fire orbs, but I think if I have enough on board from satan's no rcv, I should be okay. Though, uh,... then theres no rcv itself, and if the bind lasts to the boss...

...well I think I know what I'm doing.
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 29, 2014, 10:01:51 PM
Nobody answered last time so I'll repost it.

Hey, if my only objective is to farm for Phoenixses, does difficulty matter at all on Mystic Fire Dragon?

Otherwise I'll just run intermediate, I kinda wanna skillup my Horus.

Also, it seems like high dark ninja drops in kanetsugu descended, so at least luci's got a skillup.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 29, 2014, 10:15:30 PM
Nobody answered last time so I'll repost it.

Also, it seems like high dark ninja drops in kanetsugu descended, so at least luci's got a skillup.

Difficulty does matter from what I hear. I wouldn't count on skilling Horus though.
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Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on August 30, 2014, 12:09:16 AM
From what I understand, invade rates even on top level is typically around 4% and much lower for lower difficulties.

Like everything from PAD, you may as well just call it fucking random.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 30, 2014, 08:09:09 AM
So apparently Blade of Justice got an S-Rank score added since the last time it came around. This one was probably the hardest S-Rank I've tried to get to date and you probably aren't going to cheese this one with rarity unless you have two 6* leads.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZnaYe0P.png)
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Post by: Chaore on August 30, 2014, 03:18:17 PM
I've somehow fucked up and died on Blades of justice trying to s-rank it with DQXQ -six fucking times-

i am a fucking combo master
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Post by: Jq1790 on August 30, 2014, 03:41:02 PM
I've somehow fucked up and died on Blades of justice trying to s-rank it with DQXQ -six fucking times-

i am a fucking combo master
Trying to S rank stuff bites.  Decided after Shore Maiden that I'd just get my TAMAs elsewhere.
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Post by: Chaore on August 30, 2014, 04:14:16 PM
Trying to S rank stuff bites.  Decided after Shore Maiden that I'd just get my TAMAs elsewhere.

It's easy,

I'm just being a complete idiot with my combos.

Edit: It took 8 tries, but done. This game.

EditEdit: To reiterate, a LOT of s-ranks can be annoying but BoJ is really easy, it just requires a 6* leader and 1* trash, and with DQXQ this is supremely easy, so I basically should have no trouble personally.

I'm just, you know, a complete useless moron. ><

EditEditEdit: (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/4c1fHNPF_V4KLWfgCJ918H1UyGoKtcaOUO4PebWpN4k=w385-h684-no)

Worth it, though.
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Post by: Edible on August 30, 2014, 05:07:42 PM
I just obliterated it with ronia and a bunch of masks :V
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Post by: Chaore on August 30, 2014, 05:12:57 PM
I just obliterated it with ronia and a bunch of masks :V

Yeah that's what I should've been able to do too. >< Seriously, how do I mess up that many times.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 30, 2014, 09:30:34 PM
So I thought it was more or less impossible% to get invades on expert but this game DECIDES THAT I AM WRONG AGAIN

(http://i.imgur.com/4d34EB8.png)
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Post by: commandercool on August 30, 2014, 11:44:47 PM
So I'm on the fourth floor of Sandalphon, the one with Raphael. Seriously, how do I do this? This seems impossible. I hacked away at him, full power, spending like ten minutes on every screen figuring out how to get 6-7 combos, used I&I's actives and hit seven or eight combos on every turn of it, used Echidna to get more turns, and he's still at like half health with two turns to go. And Sandalphon himself has massively more health but I also have to deal with healing. King Shynee is still up, so I can use it to burst him to an extent, but it seems like this is going to take like 5-6 stones minimum. Is my team just just complete shit and I shouldn't be attempting Mythical descends ever, or is 6-7 combos really weak, or am I just supposed to plan on dropping a ton of stones on these? Help internet, don't know what do. :wat:
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 30, 2014, 11:50:03 PM
I think the general gist of it is "get higher levels" or "more plus eggs".

Worst case scenario, change up your team.

I guess Mythical Descends are always like that though.
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Post by: Thaws on August 31, 2014, 12:23:37 AM
7 Combos is definitely good enough.

What does your team look like? You're going to need some short cd orb changers here to kill Raphael and get them back up for Sandalphon again. (You don't happen to have a dark monster on the team... right?)

Sandalphon changes your dark to light orbs 70% of the time, so it helps you do more combos and clear away orbs for more chances of heart orbs dropping, but you'll have to make sure your hp and rcv is high enough, since you'll have to be stalling for at least 5 turns.

Actually, you might need to worry about accidentally dropping him under 50% and him binding all your gods.
I actually bring an Amaterasu with me when doing Sandalphon because I keep accidentally getting 10 turn binded.

As a non-iap player, I generally don't recommend using stones for continues when you can definitely do better if you tried again after a month or two.
Sandalphon's definitely not an easy Mythical, though not the hardest ones.
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Post by: commandercool on August 31, 2014, 12:48:08 AM
7 Combos is definitely good enough.

What does your team look like? You're going to need some short cd orb changers here to kill Raphael and get them back up for Sandalphon again. (You don't happen to have a dark monster on the team... right?)

Sandalphon changes your dark to light orbs 70% of the time, so it helps you do more combos and clear away orbs for more chances of heart orbs dropping, but you'll have to make sure your hp and rcv is high enough, since you'll have to be stalling for at least 5 turns.

Actually, you might need to worry about accidentally dropping him under 50% and him binding all your gods.
I actually bring an Amaterasu with me when doing Sandalphon because I keep accidentally getting 10 turn binded.

As a non-iap player, I generally don't recommend using stones for continues when you can definitely do better if you tried again after a month or two.
Sandalphon's definitely not an easy Mythical, though not the hardest ones.

Because I'm in the dungeon still I can't check my exact stats, but this is roughly my team:

Blue Valkyrie (max level, ~+180)
Echidna (level 96)
Siren (~level 70, max skillups)
Archangel (the blue/white one, ~level 80)
King Shynee (Max level)
I&I friend (Max level, +297)

Everything ultimate evolved and fully awoken, no skillups at all aside from Siren. No dark monster.

Once again I can see how having Valkyrie and Echidna skillmaxed would be a HUGE help here, but the one day since I had a good enough team to actually farm Valkyrie skillups when they were available was a day when I had trouble getting helpers for it (since it was a rarity-restricted dungeon), only dropped a couple, and got nothing from them. Until Poring Tower comes back or we get the Naga dungeon I can't do anything about that at all. And my success rate for skillups so far has been beyond abysmal (I've been trying to get a skillmaxed Rowdy Samurai Goblin for Tengu, and so far my record is 1/35), so even those might not do anything.

I suspect Archangel isn't really good enough to be on this team, but I can't think of a readily available non-REM replacement for her. That team spot really, really wants  Amaterasu, Metatron, or Ceres in it but I don't have them and probably won't.

I'll probably let Raphael kill me eventually. I've been trying to figure out what my odds of being able to keep up my healing against Sandy are, but I really have no way to deal with him once I&I gets bound, so the 1-2 stones it will take me to even get that far definitely aren't worth it. Wasted 100 stamina on this dungeon today which isn't great (got orbtrolled against the Unicorns the first time), but at least I learned something sort of. And got some good combo practice I guess.
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Post by: Chaore on August 31, 2014, 01:07:31 AM
It's more team there, I'd say.

Most of your cards don't benefit from Blue Valk+I&Is rows, and half of the team doesn't really benefit from blue damage up and your siren+Blue valk wombo combo.

Ecchi+Archangel need replacement I'd say, Hatsume and Gabriel are good options but whoops REM.

Sandalphone is just kinda outta your league right now. Don't worry, I've not beaten him either. >>
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Post by: Thaws on August 31, 2014, 01:08:46 AM
Because I'm in the dungeon still I can't check my exact stats, but this is roughly my team:

Blue Valkyrie (max level, ~+180)
Echidna (level 96)
Siren (~level 70, max skillups)
Archangel (the blue/white one, ~level 80)
King Shynee (Max level)
I&I friend (Max level, +297)


That's not a bad team at all. The problem is that there's not enough blue mons to take advantage of Blue Valk's blue orbs and I&I.

If you have no hope of killing Raphael, might as well use King Shynee right now and see what happens at Sandalphon, even if you can't last 17 turns for another Shynee, it'd still be insightful to see how your team's hp and rcv fare against the onslaught of about an average of 10k damage per turn.

Blue valk is your main blue orb maker and really makes things easier if you have her maxed. Good luck next time poring tower comes around.

Ecchi+Archangel need replacement I'd say, Hatsume and Gabriel are good options but whoops REM.
There's also Sun Quan.
Ruka is a REM but he'll have a much better chance of getting her than the other options.
There isn't really that many options for blue healers sadly. :/
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Post by: commandercool on August 31, 2014, 01:21:59 AM
It's more team there, I'd say.

Most of your cards don't benefit from Blue Valk+I&Is rows, and half of the team doesn't really benefit from blue damage up and your siren+Blue valk wombo combo.

Ecchi+Archangel need replacement I'd say, Hatsume and Gabriel are good options but whoops REM.

Sandalphone is just kinda outta your league right now. Don't worry, I've not beaten him either. >>

Yeah, that seems fair. It's far from an ideal team. Obviously. My other options for water healers non-REM are... Carbuncle, Cockatrice, and Water Sprite. Woo. I guess I could pile more Sirens on there, but that doesn't really do anything.

I don't have a ton of experience with the REM yet, but isn't it still prohibitively implausible fishing for particular gods even on their godfests? It seems to me right now like planning to ever put anything from the REM on a team is pointless, because it's so incredibly unlikely that it could be years before you get one without IAP. Godfests just effect too many things, so even on a correct godfest and a correct gala it doesn't seem that doable. Is that off base? Is this team just undoable for me?

I let Raphael kill me, and maaaybe next time this rolls around I can take another stab at it. But even then Sandy doesn't seem that useful most of the time the more I look at him. I might have been able to stall Gabriel to charge him up had I had him here, but effectively getting two more turns on Raphael would have been a tiny drop in the bucket.

That's not a bad team at all. The problem is that there's not enough blue mons to take advantage of Blue Valk's blue orbs and I&I.

If you have no hope of killing Raphael, might as well use King Shynee right now and see what happens at Sandalphon, even if you can't last 17 turns for another Shynee, it'd still be insightful to see how your team's hp and rcv fare against the onslaught of about an average of 10k damage per turn.

Blue valk is your main blue orb maker and really makes things easier if you have her maxed. Good luck next time poring tower comes around.

I popped King Shynee and kind of dropped the combo. I didn't put that much planning into it because I knew it wasn't going to matter, and even then I botched a diagonal and only got like four combo out of it. Barely a scratch, never got to Sandalphon.

Do we have any kind of rough estimate as to when Poring Tower will be back?

There's also Sun Quan.
Ruka is a REM but he'll have a much better chance of getting her than the other options.
There isn't really that many options for blue healers sadly. :/

Oh yeah, Ruka would be pretty good. Her cooldown is uninspiring, but she's still probably pulling way more weight than Archangel even without a skill at all. I assume that REM will be coming back around relatively soon, since we should be getting Beach Meta soon-ish and it'll have to come with.
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Post by: Chaore on August 31, 2014, 01:26:08 AM
There's also Sun Quan.
Ruka is a REM but he'll have a much better chance of getting her than the other options.
There isn't really that many options for blue healers sadly. :/

Thought I was forgetting someone. Yeah Ruka is fine too, but we have no idea when Pink REM'll strike next.

Blue Healer is super specific, and some of the main staples (Blue Valk and Hatsume) never goes on godfest too so... It's basically it's main weakness.

I don't have a ton of experience with the REM yet, but isn't it still prohibitively implausible fishing for particular gods even on their godfests? It seems to me right now like planning to ever put anything from the REM on a team is pointless, because it's so incredibly unlikely that it could be years before you get one without IAP. Godfests just effect too many things, so even on a correct godfest and a correct gala it doesn't seem that doable. Is that off base? Is this team just undoable for me?

Dear god, is that what we make this game sound like?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 31, 2014, 01:37:12 AM
Dear god, is that what we make this game sound like?

That's what the math looks like. I don't have a firm grasp on how REM physics work, like I said, but from what I've seen in my very limited experience godfest-related gold eggs seem to be about 1/4. Godfests look like effect ten things, so you have a 10% chance of getting the specific one you want out of that ~1/4 chance of getting a Godfest monster. A gala seems to bump that up, but not by a ton. That's a bad ratio, isn't it? Have I just been seeing weird pulls? This is based on maybe 30 pulls from five or six people over a few months, so I could be way wrong. But if it's not that unlikely should I be trying the one tonight for I&I or Gabriel? I have 33 stones.
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 31, 2014, 01:38:08 AM


Dear god, is that what we make this game sound like?

That's pretty much how I play it yeah. I don't IAP though. I mainly look for fests where I'd be fine with at least 6-7 of the gods there.
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Post by: Chaore on August 31, 2014, 01:48:23 AM
That's what the math looks like. I don't have a firm grasp on how REM physics work, like I said, but from what I've seen in my very limited experience godfest-related gold eggs seem to be about 1/4. Godfests look like effect ten things, so you have a 10% chance of getting the specific one you want out of that ~1/4 chance of getting a Godfest monster. A gala seems to bump that up, but not by a ton. That's a bad ratio, isn't it? Have I just been seeing weird pulls? This is based on maybe 30 pulls from five or six people over a few months, so I could be way wrong. But if it's not that unlikely should I be trying the one tonight for I&I or Gabriel? I have 33 stones.

I mean just, yeah that sounds hopeless but it's not nearly as bad as you made it sound there. As long as you're devoted to searching for the cards instead of spread-shotting, it's not impossible to pick up specific god cards when you see them come on.

If you feel like chasing blue healer then actually yeah, this might be the time to roll basically.

That's pretty much how I play it yeah. I don't IAP though. I mainly look for fests where I'd be fine with at least 6-7 of the gods there.

This ultimately is what I do too, however. While it's a bit greedy, the best option for rolling is to consider all options and what you could roll, and how you could use and grow from the other rolls NOT what you're looking for.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 31, 2014, 01:50:35 AM
I don't have a ton of experience with the REM yet, but isn't it still prohibitively implausible fishing for particular gods even on their godfests? It seems to me right now like planning to ever put anything from the REM on a team is pointless, because it's so incredibly unlikely that it could be years before you get one without IAP. Godfests just effect too many things, so even on a correct godfest and a correct gala it doesn't seem that doable. Is that off base? Is this team just undoable for me?

I am just going to be the optimistic guy here and point out that rdj saved up stones for a very long time looking for Yomi, and did indeed pull her the next time she was made available in a fest - which happened to be Player's Choice.

My experience says don't count on it happening - but don't ignore the fact that it's possible.
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Post by: commandercool on August 31, 2014, 02:01:09 AM
So far my take on it has been "throw a couple of rolls at every godfest and hope to eventually cobble something together", which has pretty much gotten me a bunch of Dark Golem Mk. IIs and a few weird, not-broadly-useful gods. Maybe that has been the wrong approach and I should be focusing my stones more clearly. I might still be able to cobble something together eventually, but I'll have a better shot at working on my actual team. My worry about committing too many pulls to one godfest trying to get something I really want, though, has been that I'll use most of my stones and whether I get my thing or not some amazing godfest with a ton of useful things will go up shortly after that and I'll have nothing to use for it. But if that's my issue I guess I might as well just go for this one, because yeah, two useful things is not bad, and a Thor or Michael could be pretty badass too.

Do you guys usually have a maximum number of stones spent on a fest/minimum reserve you won't drop below? Obviously how hard I commit will depend on what my first few pulls are, but do you have general rules for godfests?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on August 31, 2014, 02:09:33 AM
Do you guys usually have a maximum number of stones spent on a fest/minimum reserve you won't drop below? Obviously how hard I commit will depend on what my first few pulls are, but do you have general rules for godfests?

For fests like these where I'm not really needing anything in particular from them, I usually just chuck one pull at them for funsies. If it's a fest I really need, I'll either go all in or "until first usable gold". I made a huge mistake with Player's Choice, getting Bastet on my first pull, but then losing 30 stones after on the next 6 pulls getting nothing really great. It's usually okay for me to go to 0 stones after a fest or something since I usually try not to let stones hand-hold me through dungeons if my team/skills blow too much, and just aim for 0-stone clears.

Seeing all the people in this thread somehow living on less than 300 slots really makes me wonder about buying any more, and friends list space is a thing I'll worry about when my mons are actually good.
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Post by: Thaws on August 31, 2014, 02:28:00 AM
Believe in miracles.
I rolled in a norse+angels+demons fes specifically aiming for I&I for blue healers and got it on my fourth draw.

Though my usual policy is 0-1 draws if I look at a fes and don't see a few gods that I'd at least be happy about getting.
I never let myself drop under 100 stones xD non-iap and never spends a stone except for REM and box space here

But like Chaore said, I'm not optimistic in getting a Hatsume :/

Having blue valk is a really good start. Most people have the most trouble rolling that.

I am at 450 box space  and I barely have enough when I have to skill up something.
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Post by: Chaore on August 31, 2014, 02:29:04 AM
But like Chaore said, I'm not optimistic in getting a Hatsume :/

Ninjas and riders are really the worst, the 3x carnival we got was like the best thing for that

i'm still missing hatsume rip
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on August 31, 2014, 02:49:26 AM
Yeah, I didn't do any pulls on Ninja/Riders even though I still realized at that point that I needed a Hatsume, and I kind of regret it. Dino Rider might have been kind of cool too. Oh well.
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Post by: Thaws on August 31, 2014, 02:59:51 AM
Ninjas and riders are really the worst, the 3x carnival we got was like the best thing for that

i'm still missing hatsume rip

I know this feel. Orz
That's why I looked for alternatives but Ruka seemed like the only other capable one. :/
I really need that one more skill boost so I can use blue valk on my first turn though. I wished sticker girls got a skill boost instead of another auto-rcv

Over at jap servers they used to do godfes overlapping with rider/ninja carnivals but starting from a few months back they're obviously deliberately place them in different time slots. Gungho being greedy after realizing how much people would pay for a Hanzo probably. :/

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Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 31, 2014, 03:23:05 AM
What worked for me is deciding "I'm going to save for this godfest" and having like 50 stones for that.

I wanted Venus bad, so I told myself I'd wait for a light carnival + godfest.  When the three kingdoms godfest came with roman godfest, I was like "Good enough!" and got both the twins and venus.
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Post by: trancehime on August 31, 2014, 06:11:32 AM
GodFest 8/31 - 9/02 Report

Today I decide to spend on 6 pulls, why not 7, well this post will explain.

3 Silvers, here is the only notable Silver egg I got:

(http://i.imgur.com/9ZtC3Ml.png)
Berserker Z, who is currenlty JPN Exclusive. He evolves to Prometheus who generates Fire orbs from two kinds of orbs. His awakening is 2 Fire Row and 1 Fire Orb Enhance. Plus, he Devil.

3 Golds.

(http://i.imgur.com/feRrP0B.png)

 :)

(http://i.imgur.com/sfmTv6N.png)

 :3

(http://i.imgur.com/v7zKO7y.png)

:getdown:

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Post by: Yukarin on August 31, 2014, 06:17:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/v7zKO7y.png)

:getdown:


welcome to the lmeta club
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Post by: Thaws on August 31, 2014, 06:18:38 AM
:getdown:

Guys we have a winner here.

Welcome to the bastet club too.  :V
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Post by: Chaore on August 31, 2014, 06:24:24 AM
sarasvati meta op
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Post by: trancehime on August 31, 2014, 06:39:21 AM
Guys we have a winner here.

Welcome to the bastet club too.  :V

I've got the materials to evolve Bastet too; I just need to max her out!

For the record, my two "garbage" pulls were Fenrir Knight and Undine - FK actually isn't that garbage but compared to everything else I got yeah
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Post by: Thaws on August 31, 2014, 06:58:07 AM
I've got the materials to evolve Bastet too; I just need to max her out!

For the record, my two "garbage" pulls were Fenrir Knight and Undine - FK actually isn't that garbage but compared to everything else I got yeah

I got Bastet as my first god type back when I was rank 50, she can really hone your puzzle skills.
Especially now with the ult and +0.5s awakening.
My number of Bastet friends was dwindling lately so I'm so glad to see someone on my friendlist joining the club! :V

Do you have a (light) Valkyrie yet? Bastet Amitan Valkyrie Shynee Echidna is a very solid non-iap friendly Bastet healer team with very great burst capability (easily dealing millions), though you might have to wait a bit for amitan to come around and he's not healer type sadly despite having a siren-like leader skill.
Lmeta team's also pretty easy to build too, e.g. valk angelion shynee echidna, though I guess you already know about that.

You'd be surprised how much smoother your journey through normal/technical dungeons would be once you get a good leader from REM.
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Post by: trancehime on August 31, 2014, 07:01:26 AM
Do you have a (light) Valkyrie yet? Bastet Amitan Valkyrie Shynee Echidna is a very solid non-iap friendly Bastet healer team with very great burst capability (easily dealing millions), though you might have to wait a bit for amitan to come around and he's not healer type sadly despite having a siren-like leader skill.
Lmeta team's also pretty easy to build too, e.g. valk angelion shynee echidna, though I guess you already know about that.

I don't have a Valkyrie yet, from the Pink REM I pulled Ruka.

I currently use Archangel, D/D Lilith, Echidna and King Shynee for my subs.

I have been abusing the hell out of your Twinlit I&I so thank you for that. It really helped me a lot; the damage difference is phenomenal, I almost oneshot Hades after King Shynee's active.
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Post by: Chaore on August 31, 2014, 07:08:39 AM
Pandora survey dungeon on monday.

...alongside Antikythera, sorry gabe, nothing for you.
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 31, 2014, 07:16:36 AM
Did two pulls, Vampire and evolved Megalodran. I actually was kind of wondering when the latter would show up, so he'll be nice with Isis/Blodin in the blue physical club I guess!

grodin where
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 31, 2014, 07:18:22 AM
13 godfest pulls oh god here we go

(http://i.imgur.com/zg7oP9a.png)

Meh, that's cool I guess, not exactly what I was looking for though.

(http://i.imgur.com/TqSB0sQ.png)

Oh? You know what, I'll take that.

(http://i.imgur.com/dDd5o9P.png)

Hello Uriel how you doing.

(http://i.imgur.com/TqSB0sQ.png)

wat (yes i got two pandoras i just forgot to take a pic of the second one not that it matters though)

(http://i.imgur.com/vFP1Ytw.png)

gaem pls

(http://i.imgur.com/GvjtDm0.png)

GAEM PLS

(http://i.imgur.com/hKXvlLR.png)

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

I AIN'T EVEN MAD THAT I DIDN'T GET FIRE VALK OR FREYR I GOT MY URIEL THAT'S FREAKING ENOUGH

SO MUCH FOR NOT HAVING A SINGLE SPECIAL GOD
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Post by: Thaws on August 31, 2014, 07:23:11 AM
I don't have a Valkyrie yet, from the Pink REM I pulled Ruka.

I currently use Archangel, D/D Lilith, Echidna and King Shynee for my subs.

I have been abusing the hell out of your Twinlit I&I so thank you for that. It really helped me a lot; the damage difference is phenomenal, I almost oneshot Hades after King Shynee's active.

Unlike her counterparts, light valkyrie is actually a common silver egg roll from normal REM so you'd get her eventually, I've lost count but I probably have gotten like 2 silver-egg and 2 gold-egg light valkyries from REM.
As a last resort you can try to get it from the descent.

Those subs will do for now, but bursts with orb changers makes life much more easier when you move on to special dungeons' masters or legend difficulty.

Thanks for the friendship points. Happy to know my I&I is helpful for you.  :]
Yea, just wait until you experience 16x with bastet or 12.25x with lmeta, everything suddenly dies so quick. :V

gods

Congratulations. All these god-fes exclusives maaaan. Holy crap even a Green Sonia.

I just got a wood toy dragon this godfes orz.
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Post by: Yukarin on August 31, 2014, 07:36:24 AM
I got a dragon guan yu. what to do with him i got no dragons at aalllll
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 31, 2014, 08:02:40 AM
You know, now that I have LMeta I suppose I almost have enough to finish my healer team, all I need is to get the materials to uvo Raphael (Already have the keeper so it shouldn't be a problem), get my valk (if she freaking decides to drop that is) and stick my echidna in place of the unicorn (since unicorn requires angelits to become a healer and I'll have to spend mine on lmeta's uvo)

that team is squishy as fuck (only 12k HP) but has the RCV to back it up (3,8k) and a ton of damage potential (aside from the obvious /raphael/valk/kshynee spike there's also the fact that a simple 3 orb match would deal around 70k damage which is a huge number

but I don't even know if I need this team anymore I mean I have freaking Uriel now which means my monored just got even stronger than it already was I just need to get this guy to level 60-ish so his stats compare to MVD's.

PLUS HE'S ACTUALLY GOT RCV HOLY SHIT

worst comes to worst I'll just make a dragon team based off of gsonia or an attacker team with GZL or something no biggie :V

(yes I'm pretty excited because of these pulls can't you guys tell)
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Post by: Jq1790 on August 31, 2014, 11:46:38 AM
So I uh...did one pull in the end.

>Sleeping Dragon, Zhuge Liang

I'm not the first since Sacchi there got him too, but holy crap.  I don't even know here.
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Post by: Edible on August 31, 2014, 12:05:34 PM
>yolo roll

>gold egg (!!!)

>dino rider

:|
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Post by: trancehime on August 31, 2014, 12:29:15 PM
So I uh...did one pull in the end.

>Sleeping Dragon, Zhuge Liang

I'm not the first since Sacchi there got him too, but holy crap.  I don't even know here.

you and the billion other people I've seen pull Green Zhuge Liang

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Post by: commandercool on August 31, 2014, 01:11:32 PM
Did six pulls just now.

Shardra. That's fine I guess, I didn't have one and it seems sort of useful.

Megalodran. Check yourself game.

Machine Golem MK. II. Better than a Dark Golem I guess. I did't have one of these.

Archangel Michael. Not bad. Green attackers is like a super-backburner hypothetical project for me, he might be super useful in the nebulous future.

Ice Golem. Again didn't have one, whatever. Not greeeat pulls so far. One to go...

You know it had to be GABRIEL! My initial gut reaction was "Aw, I wanted I&I as my last pull" but then I realized that was super stupid because I already use one as my helper and redundancy on their active isn't a thing so much and what am I, gonna complain about this? Very happy with that. I only have the materials to Uvo him OR archers right now, but hopefully by the time I have the chance to pick them up I'll have more blue masks. Skilling this guy up is going to be an interesting adventure though.
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Post by: trancehime on August 31, 2014, 01:19:24 PM
How to Rainbow: Pandora Edition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBLHW7mrVsc)

How cute, it's like they're triplets.
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Post by: triangles on August 31, 2014, 01:22:49 PM
I apparently yolorolled into golemfest again  :fail:
At least the jerk came with a plus egg that's going to find a better home soon.
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 31, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
YOLO roll. The quintessential blue Healer lead.

It's like my three Ruka and two Gabriel pulls actually have a meaning.
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Post by: Moogs Parfait on August 31, 2014, 04:14:19 PM
I need to stop playing this game and work.  Stupid sexy PAD.  :fail:
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Post by: Suikama on August 31, 2014, 04:21:41 PM
Queen of Gods Challenge Mode Cleared! Ronia friends OP :V

I have no idea how to tackle King of Gods Challenge though...
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Post by: hyorinryu on August 31, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
Queen of Gods Challenge Mode Cleared! Ronia friends OP :V

I have no idea how to tackle King of Gods Challenge though...

How about Robin, 3 Green Sonias, and a Woodsie? You can do it  >:D
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Post by: Suikama on August 31, 2014, 04:35:48 PM
I just remembered there's no multi hits so zombie + like 5 GOdins should work

....but I dont wanna stall
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 31, 2014, 05:06:32 PM
:green zhuge:

:green zhuge:

you and the billion other people I've seen pull Green Zhuge Liang

Did they fuck up worldwide and make green zhuge like 9x rate or something because wow

Does light zhuge even exist healer masterrace comeon ;;
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Post by: Edible on August 31, 2014, 05:33:24 PM
I have no idea how to tackle King of Gods Challenge though...

A bunch of +297 friend ronias and a king baddie
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Post by: Suikama on August 31, 2014, 05:59:01 PM
I did that for Queen of Gods but only managed to barely kill her so I don't think it will cut it for Zeus
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 31, 2014, 06:46:23 PM
So... the dungeon that I can most easily get Gabriel skill ups is running parallel to Hadar.

Well, screw you, too, PAD.

Do I try to skill up Hadar for a devil Haku team, or get skill ups for two Gabriels...?
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 31, 2014, 06:47:30 PM
You use haku more, no?

If so, get the Hadar Skillups

Otherwise, go for Gabriel, though do realize that you have to skill up two gabriels so the amount of work is doubled (so you may as well go hadar)
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Post by: Chaore on August 31, 2014, 07:00:53 PM
So... the dungeon that I can most easily get Gabriel skill ups is running parallel to Hadar.

Well, screw you, too, PAD.

Do I try to skill up Hadar for a devil Haku team, or get skill ups for two Gabriels...?

Go for gabriel, his is basically garuanteed. Mechdragon chaser invade rates are uh, pretty bad.

I'm stuck between cockatrice and fairies. Probably going for fairies, since those are way harder to get otherwise.
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 31, 2014, 07:07:04 PM
Yeah but I do suddenly have a shiny Idunn&Idunna that would royally appreciate a low cooldown blue+heartmaker. Or two of them. I've been thinking about having a mono-blue row enhance team for a while regardless, but...

I do need a dark/red sub for Haku to replace Echidna (and finally get some HP!) and I have so many conflicts right now.

Re: Chaore
My (main) Haku is already skill maxed; I literally want to get Hadar skill maxed for a Haku team...

I'm going to skill max a Gabriel first and see what happens then.
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Post by: Thaws on August 31, 2014, 07:14:42 PM
Well, there are better subs than Hadar for Haku teams, but Gab's importance is pretty unrivalled in blue healers (in addition to being good in mono-blue).

So Gab's definitely the better investment in the long run.
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Post by: commandercool on August 31, 2014, 08:06:10 PM
Oh shit, I didn't even realize Mystic Water Dragon was coming up. I can skillup Gabriel after all. Nice. Very good.

So how does the math on rows work? My team will have four blue rows once Gabriel is evolved, so when is it worth it to try to make rows instead of doing combos normally?
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Post by: Thaws on August 31, 2014, 08:16:59 PM
Oh shit, I didn't even realize Mystic Water Dragon was coming up. I can skillup Gabriel after all. Nice. Very good.

So how does the math on rows work? My team will have four blue rows once Gabriel is evolved, so when is it worth it to try to make rows instead of doing combos normally?

It works in a bit weird way.
For each row enhance, the multiplier is added by 10%. So 4 enhances would give you a x1.4 multiplier, 8 enhances would give you a x1.8 multiplier per row.
If you do more than one row, the multiplier is additive not multiplicative. E.g. doing 2 rows with 4 enhances give you x1.8, doing 3 rows with 6 enhances give you x2.8
Doing rows mean you only get a x1.75 for linking 6 orbs together compared to x2 (along with an additional 25% on the combo multiplier) if you split the 6 orbs into 2 combos of 3.
So roughly, at 4 enhances, assuming you make no other combos other than the attacking colour:
Doing 1 row (1 combo): 1.75*1.4 = x2.45
Doing 2 combos of 3: 2*1.25 = x2.5

Doing 2 rows (2 combo): 1.75*1.8*2*1.25 = x7.875
Doing 4 combos of 3: 4*1.75 = x7

As you can see, you only start benefitting if you make more than 2 rows with 4 enhances, and it's probably not worth making 1 row.
This is only a rough figure because you'd be making more combos other than the main attacking colour.

I've read before that you start breaking even for making 1 row at 5 enhances.



Seeing everyone I know on JAP servers getting amazing rolls, I rolled a 2nd time and got my 2nd Liu Bei. Damnit. :V I want a Sarasvati :<
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Post by: commandercool on August 31, 2014, 08:32:46 PM
It works in a bit weird way.
For each row enhance, the multiplier is added by 10%. So 4 enhances would give you a x1.4 multiplier, 8 enhances would give you a x1.8 multiplier per row.
If you do more than one row, the multiplier is additive not multiplicative. E.g. doing 2 rows with 4 enhances give you x1.8, doing 3 rows with 6 enhances give you x2.8
Doing rows mean you only get a x1.75 for linking 6 orbs together compared to x2 (along with an additional 25% on the combo multiplier) if you split the 6 orbs into 2 combos of 3.
So roughly, at 4 enhances, assuming you make no other combos other than the attacking colour:
Doing 1 row (1 combo): 1.75*1.4 = x2.45
Doing 2 combos of 3: 2*1.25 = x2.5

Doing 2 rows (2 combo): 1.75*1.8*2*1.25 = x7.875
Doing 4 combos of 3: 4*1.75 = x7

As you can see, you only start benefitting if you make more than 2 rows with 4 enhances, and it's probably not worth making 1 row.
This is only a rough figure because you'd be making more combos other than the main attacking colour.

I've read before that you start breaking even for making 1 row at 5 enhances.



Seeing everyone I know on JAP servers getting amazing rolls, I rolled a 2nd time and got my 2nd Liu Bei. Damnit. :V I want a Sarasvati :<

Okay, very good to know. I'm going to be stockpiling stones for to fish for Ruka for when the pink REM comes back hopefully in the near (but not too near, so I have time to stock up) future, so that'll be five enhances. But for now the enhances mostly just power up my "turn most of the screen to water and activate King Shynee" nuclear option. I can usually get two rows out out of that, and the added flexibility of potentially activated Gabriel after Valkyrie to still have some hearts onscreen to break up the rows further makes that easier, and potentially even opens me up to three rows sometimes.
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Post by: Thaws on August 31, 2014, 08:38:19 PM
Okay, very good to know. I'm going to be stockpiling stones for to fish for Ruka for when the pink REM comes back hopefully in the near (but not too near, so I have time to stock up) future

Doing the same here. :V

FYI, it is possible to make 3 rows with 18~20 blue orbs.
Japanese Player netete made a very good compilation of making 3 rows here (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xdw74ha20m93psk/AACT4eTs0hzn6jCG3GOQixIRa/CtW%E3%81%BE%E3%81%A8%E3%82%81%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F%E3%81%A8%E3%81%8B/3%E5%88%97%E9%85%8D%E7%BD%AE?dl=0)
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Post by: OverlordChirei on August 31, 2014, 10:21:40 PM
Do I try to skill up Hadar for a devil Haku team, or get skill ups for two Gabriels...?

gabe it up
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Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on August 31, 2014, 10:27:56 PM
p.s. Blue Valk (yay) and Thanatos (blrgh)
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 01, 2014, 12:09:00 AM
Ah yes, about my trash pulls this godfest: Is Shaitan good for anything?

Otherwise I'll just use it to give my Horus some extra plus eggs

(also, phoenix invade on expert mystic dragon and horus skill up, yaaaaaaaay)
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Post by: Aoshi-shi on September 01, 2014, 12:17:49 AM
Well, if we're still talking about Godfest pulls:

Idunn&Idunna
Thanatos
Red Riding Hood (So cute!!)
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Post by: Edible on September 01, 2014, 12:19:09 AM
Is Shaitan good for anything?

No.
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Post by: Chaore on September 01, 2014, 12:24:54 AM
Ah yes, about my trash pulls this godfest: Is Shaitan good for anything?

red balanced op master race obv
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Post by: Janitor Morgan on September 01, 2014, 12:26:36 AM
Idunn&Idunna

I have another HP boost healer friend! ...if you twinlit ult them, that is.

Man now I'm going to be looking for blue healers to use with dual I&I aren't I :fail:
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Post by: OverlordChirei on September 01, 2014, 12:27:20 AM
My cunning plan has worked and now I am free until tomorrow

(http://i.imgur.com/EfMX6ZE.png)
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Post by: Chaore on September 01, 2014, 03:55:11 AM
HEY KIDS (https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/506285241393111040/photo/1)

WHO'S READY FOR SHINY NEW ULTIMATES LOCKED BEHIND UTTER HORSESHIT (https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/506286434420940800)
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Post by: Edible on September 01, 2014, 05:03:08 AM
Well, that is easily susano's coolest design yet
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Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on September 01, 2014, 05:09:04 AM
Man now I'm going to be looking for blue healers to use with dual I&I aren't I :fail:

I reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaally wanna use my blue valk but fuck if I know what to actually do with her and my only garbage for other blue healers. :V

(Should I maybe non-twinlit ult Lakshmi after all? but she doesn't have row in that ult but twinlit isn't healer ;_;)
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Post by: trancehime on September 01, 2014, 09:36:25 AM
i hate everything (https://twitter.com/trancehime/status/506301802921226241)

:colonveeplusalpha:

EDIT:

https://twitter.com/DaikeYamamoto/status/505392175475994624

YamaP has plans to add a new mode
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Post by: Chaore on September 01, 2014, 02:41:06 PM
Well, that is easily susano's coolest design yet

Yeah I'm somewhat out on newrochi (Especially if they end up changing his skill by having these be SUPERSPECIALAWESOMEDELUXEULTIMATES, because uh, force is ferocious as shit, and unless the new delay is not a shitter delay that's a massive downgrade ESPECIALLY for something that can't be skilled up.

But uh, Newsano looks cool and will probably be a p.solid upgrade.

I reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaally wanna use my blue valk but fuck if I know what to actually do with her and my only garbage for other blue healers. :V

(Should I maybe non-twinlit ult Lakshmi after all? but she doesn't have row in that ult but twinlit isn't healer ;_;)

You can also use blue valk in twinlit lakshmi teams now! Since she has a row, shes a better heartbreaker there than Siegfried would be since Twinlit slavors over rows.
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Post by: Suikama on September 01, 2014, 03:19:54 PM
why am i always like 500 points off S rank

gungho pls
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 01, 2014, 03:25:36 PM
Well it sure is nice that I get two Cockatrices off Mystic Water Dragon per run instead of getting one Phantom Chaser 15% of the time off Shore Maiden. I just need a total of 60 Cockatrices to feel comfortable about skill maxing two Gabriels.

whelp
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Post by: Chaore on September 01, 2014, 03:29:37 PM
Well it sure is nice that I get two Cockatrices off Mystic Water Dragon per run instead of getting one Phantom Chaser 15% of the time off Shore Maiden. I just need a total of 60 Cockatrices to feel comfortable about skill maxing two Gabriels.

whelp

please no stop i need the pandora fairies, don't convince me to go to water dragons ;w;
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Post by: Edible on September 01, 2014, 03:42:49 PM
They don't even drop evolved, this is such a sham ;_;
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Post by: hyorinryu on September 01, 2014, 03:44:54 PM
They don't even drop evolved, this is such a sham ;_;

Yeah, I still have to take care of all these dark chasers to skill up Haku. Well, at least the REM was kind enough to drop Hanzo for me right after Shore maiden left last time.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 01, 2014, 03:48:55 PM
What difficulty is the best for farming Cockatrices? I've done Mystic Water Dragon three times on Master so far and have gotten one evolved one and one unevolved one. At this rate it's going to take me slightly more than all week to get 30 of them, although that's not accounting for rank-ups. But it's also not accounting for potentially losing, which is possible if I get really unlucky trying to stall on a Cockatrice. And then after that I have to evolve a bunch of them, which is not exactly easy. By the time that happens 2x skillups will be long, long gone. I'm sure I can do Legend, but I think my odds of losing become significant enough that it will probably happen occasionally. Expert still has 7 floors but only one evolved Cockatrice (and a significantly lower stamina cost and experience ratio), but how much worse is the drop rate?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 01, 2014, 04:12:05 PM
On Legend, I have never not gotten a Cockatrice drop off floor 1+5 so far. Whether it's evolved or not has been random so far, but 25 stamina per 'trice is nice enough for me to go Legendary all the time.

The other drops from enemies and Antikythera have been great for leveling up the unevo'd Cockatrices, too.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 01, 2014, 04:23:31 PM
Hmm, okay. I'll do Legend. I might die, but 25 stamina per Cockatrice is much, much better than my current 60 per Cockatrice.

How do drop rate increases effect that? What will you do on 1.5x or 2x?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 01, 2014, 08:34:59 PM
They don't even drop evolved, this is such a sham ;_;

Yeah, that's kinda shitty.

Expected though. 'Make invade monsters NOT complete ass? Hahaha that's a joke, right?'
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Moogs Parfait on September 01, 2014, 10:23:25 PM
Put another one down for Green Zhuge Liang on a yolo roll.

Pushing green attacker much Gung Ho?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on September 01, 2014, 10:37:13 PM
Pushing green attacker much Gung Ho?

Green is kinda sad.
Gungho's pushing all kinds of stuff for green but they never stick to one long enough to make it good.

Balance was the original green team obviously with woodsie being balanced, but they stopped getting pretty much anything. Cu Chulainn forever remains a mediocre beginner's team, but at least they have enough members to make a team.
Physical was the next thing they tried, with stuff like Hercules and Guan Yu. It'd explain why Parvati got physical maybe, but Parvati is pretty much the only notable member.
Then there was Attacker, which is said to be the next DMeta but the only reason they're good is because you can put 2 Sasuke and 2 Wood Rider in the team and call it a day.
For some reason there are some healers too but the only plausible leader is Bastet (or green valk?) and there's no reason to stick to healers if you're using a green bastet team.
Finally, with Meimei and Astaroth's ult came the possibility of green devils, which consists of them and wood hera and that's it. haha.

Gungho what are you thinking.
 
I'm still mad none of the chinese girls got a healer type.

Edit: Oh yeah, how could I forget the legendary Green dragon team. They were the best alongside with Vampire teams back in the early days of PAD. With Green Sonia they seem to be getting some poularity again? which is kinda nice I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 01, 2014, 11:21:58 PM
Hmm, yup. Third Mystic Blue Dragon on Legendary was a failure. Granted I had to have some really, really unlikely conditions line up to die, but I can see that happening again occasionally. I should still be good, the math just barely supports maxing Gabe out based just off of evolved Cockatrice drops Sunday night if I get average or maybe slightly better-than-average skillup hits, and then I can turn to my stockpile of unevolved ones after that. That's assuming that I only die like one or two more times ever, and given that I lost on my third try that might not happen. I keep getting skillups on Nebradisk though, so I guess that's neat.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on September 01, 2014, 11:27:03 PM
Hmm, yup. Third Mystic Blue Dragon on Legendary was a failure. Granted I had to have some really, really unlikely conditions line up to die, but I can see that happening again occasionally. I should still be good, the math just barely supports maxing Gabe out based just off of evolved Cockatrice drops Sunday night if I get average or maybe slightly better-than-average skillup hits, and then I can turn to my stockpile of unevolved ones after that. That's assuming that I only die like one or two more times ever, and given that I lost on my third try that might not happen. I keep getting skillups on Nebradisk though, so I guess that's neat.

Good luck with the skill up.
Reminds me of when I did Gab skill up. Since it's roughly 33% of getting a evolved one on each of those cockatrice waves, probabilistically you should get 2 out of 3 runs. Well there was this time I got 0 in 2 runs, then on the 3rd run I got 2 evolved drops and died on boss. orz.

If you ever have to turn to the unevolved pile like I did, you might want to note that water samurai dragon's expert difficulty is a very good source of indigo demon masks. It appears on like every single wave. It's amazing.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 02, 2014, 12:51:10 AM
Good luck with the skill up.
Reminds me of when I did Gab skill up. Since it's roughly 33% of getting a evolved one on each of those cockatrice waves, probabilistically you should get 2 out of 3 runs. Well there was this time I got 0 in 2 runs, then on the 3rd run I got 2 evolved drops and died on boss. orz.

Yup, that's basically what I'm worried about. What a nightmare.

If you ever have to turn to the unevolved pile like I did, you might want to note that water samurai dragon's expert difficulty is a very good source of indigo demon masks. It appears on like every single wave. It's amazing.

Is that scheduled for anytime soon? I don't think I can really afford to hang onto these for weeks or months, since my box space is only okay (140) and I'm wary of spending stones because I predict pink REM in the near future and really need to save for Ruka. As it is I may just have to dedicate a week to running the things that drop the evo materials and keep my fingers crossed for a 2x skillup time to come along quickly. I'm guessing there will be some of those super-temporary ones coming up as the dark fairy dungeon draws to a close.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 02, 2014, 02:00:10 AM
Finally got 4 awakenings on Hadar so I could transform him into 5 MECHDRAGON COMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 02, 2014, 02:06:30 AM
Cattleya dungeon S-Rank and stone.

What.

That was easy.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on September 02, 2014, 02:08:42 AM
For people on the JAP servers (and maybe US servers also)
https://twitter.com/DaikeYamamoto/status/506618940944953344
Apparently someone told Yamamoto there's something going on (whatever) at Takaoka on the 13th and he's retweeted! Mostly likely this means Takaoka collab is finally coming back.

Amberjack is a good blue physical member and Amitan has very amazing awakens (Row enhance and a skill boost? Most descent bosses would be lucky to even get a skill boost or row alone) and REM-level-utility skill for a boss this easy.
Amitan is also very easy to skill up (guaranteed one per 50 stamina and no need to evolve). You'll never regret maxing his skill if you're using a green team, trust me.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 02, 2014, 02:10:15 AM
Hopefully we get takaoka for more than like three days, so I can farm more amitan and get no skillups again
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 02, 2014, 02:52:45 AM
I think I got mine max skilled in <10 attempts while it was here so I'm good. I'll pick up more fish, though, I guess.

Amitan really is great as a RCV stick and orb converter, though. If he had any form of sub-typing he'd probably turn into "Must Have" tier.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on September 02, 2014, 03:27:03 AM
Ran some more challenge mode since I was still on easy ones to eke out a couple more stones since Blade of Justice hates me and I like both the current fest and gala - got a Raphael which I am not at all inclined to complain about. :3
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 02, 2014, 03:47:38 AM
got a Raphael

Everyone but me.
I'll take my new I&I and cry to myself.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Shizumarashi Mayuzumi on September 02, 2014, 04:02:08 AM
For what it's worth if I had my pick it would have been I&I. :V

But I'll gladly take the Raphael.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on September 02, 2014, 04:19:04 AM
Everyone but me.
I'll take my new I&I and cry to myself.

Really, what's so good about Raph. I'm not impressed by him tbh. I'll ult him for an easy mode hera farm team but that's it. maybe get rid of extra evolution material too.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on September 02, 2014, 06:04:38 AM
Really, what's so good about Raph. I'm not impressed by him tbh. I'll ult him for an easy mode hera farm team but that's it. maybe get rid of extra evolution material too.
A full board of hearts is just begging to be turned into light orbs by Valk or someone.  I'd say that's reason enough, no?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 02, 2014, 06:06:48 AM
Really, what's so good about Raph.

Raph + Valk + Unicorn/Regulus + as many light rows as you can stuff in = gg
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 02, 2014, 06:13:47 AM
The only problem being that Light Valk is the only one that doesn't have rows and is technically the one that needs it the most.

Still, yeah, having a controllable burst in the name of a full enhanced light board is a big deal, and only Raphael (+valk) can do that.

@Edit

In other news... (http://i.imgur.com/DlA7xu1.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/DlA7xu1.png)

The benefits of having four red trifruits just laying around.

I actually don't have enough cost to use him yet, though that matters little - I'll have enough at rank 132 and by the time I'm done evolving and getting rouge to max level, I'll probably be at or very close to that rank.

It's kind of a bummer that I couldn't get that second Horus skillup though, it would've been so nice to get Horus and Uriel up on the same turn.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 02, 2014, 10:06:11 AM
Really, what's so good about Raph. I'm not impressed by him tbh. I'll ult him for an easy mode hera farm team but that's it. maybe get rid of extra evolution material too.

>Healer subtype so he can work with LMeta/Light Zhuge Liang/Valk
>Allows a full board Light enhance with Valk + Unicorn(or Light Zhuge Liang)
>Has at least one row on his own
>Increases the damage potential if you activate King Shynee

basically, he is another exceptional addition for Healer type offensive teams. Of course the 2 Bind Recovery awakenings are suboptimal because he has 0 bind resistance, but I don't know why you are talking as if he is not impressive. The UEVO does a lot of work in making him quite solid
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 02, 2014, 11:31:59 AM
Really, what's so good about Raph. I'm not impressed by him tbh. I'll ult him for an easy mode hera farm team but that's it. maybe get rid of extra evolution material too.

 really getting tired of having to relink this.  (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16767.msg1104944.html#msg1104944)

Raph was always good, it's just that people spend too much time whining about him and not enough time actually considering the potential he has. And his ult evo just made him all that much better.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 02, 2014, 12:16:07 PM
Some descended dungeons will be taken off the rotation list due to huge amount of descends, they'll become regular Normal/Technical Dungeons instead. (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/news.asp?nid=129)

That's fine and all since they'll probably do that to the easier descends (2 heroes, Hera and Goddess, probably) unfortunately I'm getting some reports (sources are essentially word-of-mouth so take this with a grain of salt) that these descends will only come after Starlight Sanctuary which is stupid because Starlight Sanctuary is harder than a lot of the earlier descends (which is proven if you simply compare Hera's numbers in Queen of the Gods and Hera Descended).

Which means you'll either have to beat a tougher dungeon to have access to an easier dungeon.

Or they'll make the entry-level descends harder.

Either option is worrying.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 02, 2014, 12:39:10 PM
I'm already past Starlight Sanctuary so this is nothing but good news for me either way!

Technicals, on the other hand. :ohdear:

Either way I like this news because you are now able to work for and farm some stuff better, and there will be less days dedicated to re-doing the same old, same old that they can start bringing the less common descends in again. Maybe even cycle through the trophy dragons a little more often! :v
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 02, 2014, 12:53:14 PM
For having to get past bullshit sanctuary, the drops still better be 100% - 50 stamina per run is still a pretty hefty cost if you're running them solely to skillup those dudes, and this means people can't get Hera as gravity before that point anymore, or Sieg/Chu as solid additions to their team.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 02, 2014, 01:01:04 PM
For having to get past bullshit sanctuary, the drops still better be 100% - 50 stamina per run is still a pretty hefty cost if you're running them solely to skillup those dudes, and this means people can't get Hera as gravity before that point anymore, or Sieg/Chu as solid additions to their team.

i tweeted about this in response to the announcement let's hope he gets the hint

EDIT:

21:01:24  Chirei: Better try to snag Hera before she gets locked behind more doors ;V
21:02:26  trancehime: i hate everything

yamap you fucking bastard
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on September 02, 2014, 06:05:40 PM
really getting tired of having to relink this.  (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16767.msg1104944.html#msg1104944)

Raph was always good, it's just that people spend too much time whining about him and not enough time actually considering the potential he has. And his ult evo just made him all that much better.

But those teams aren't that great. With 4 rows, you're barely breaking even, and that multiplier only applies to 2/3 of your guys(1/2 if you're going Chu because Griffin stays attacker.) Not to mention if you're going through a dungeon with a relevant miniboss that'll force actives, you're not going to have a whole lot for the boss him/herself. Most of those teams would be better off with their Greek 2.0 God, a Chinese God or even a sticker girl because they'll have relevant row boosts and won't make you want 16-25 turns to unleash your combo.

Even with a light row healer team(those are hard to do, since all of them sans Sandalphone are REM (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monsterbook.asp?t1=4&t2=4&a=27&e=0&ue=0&s1=1&s2=0&o1=1&o2=2), I'd rather throw in Fuu because she can allow both combos and more than one row, while not taking an eternity to do it.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 02, 2014, 06:09:40 PM
Yes, but you're implying that people can just go out and GET all those better REM gods when all people have to work with is... Well, what they have. What I laid out there is a solid team that is entirely farmable, which is especially good for non-IAP players.

By the way, Fuu is REM too :V

Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 02, 2014, 06:18:59 PM
Man, wtf is the droprate on cattleya?  I've run this dungeon 5 times so far with no luck
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on September 02, 2014, 06:27:32 PM
i tweeted about this in response to the announcement let's hope he gets the hint

EDIT:

21:01:24  Chirei: Better try to snag Hera before she gets locked behind more doors ;V
21:02:26  trancehime: i hate everything

yamap you fucking bastard

Hey, at least you'll have a easier time farming for skill-ups when you need to.
You get rank ups pretty quick from Hera too, the exp is pretty good.

Well it's all just rumours now though so I wouldn't worry too much about it. (Probably based on the trend that all newly added normal dungeons are unlocked after starlight.)
Hopefully gungho isn't dumb enough to do this but they've done lots of dumb stuff recently.

Woot got another Fire Jewel from 2 runs of sandalphon yesterday! 2 down 1 more to go! Used a weird blue/green hybrid Bastet/I&I healer team and it worked surprisingly well. lols

Everyone but me.
I'll take my new I&I and cry to myself.
I didn't realize Raphael is pretty popular in this board (?). I personally was never a fan of *Turn whole board to one colour* skills. :/
Even if you don't have enough blue healers I&I is still terrific mono-blue leader/sub though.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on September 02, 2014, 07:24:40 PM
Yes, but you're implying that people can just go out and GET all those better REM gods when all people have to work with is... Well, what they have. What I laid out there is a solid team that is entirely farmable, which is especially good for non-IAP players.

By the way, Fuu is REM too :V

If they don't have REM there's always Zeus, Satan, and Hera. If you want a row team, you can play with late bloomer lead teams. The blue and green synch well with the heartbreakers, so you can can copy your team on to them.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 02, 2014, 07:34:04 PM
My skullups have been amazing today. I disposed of a lot of my duplicates to make room for more Cockatices and got skillups on Echidna, most of my Eva monsters, some golems, Lilith, and three today on Nebradisk. I haven't tried Gabe again yet today, but that's either a good sign or a bad sign. :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 02, 2014, 08:51:46 PM
Man, wtf is the droprate on cattleya?  I've run this dungeon 5 times so far with no luck

I think 15~20% or some mess. I wish I could throw y'all the 6 or so I had, all I want are gold pirates. Instead the game decides I need a billion skillups for a mon I probably won't ever have or use.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 03, 2014, 12:25:06 AM
I didn't realize Raphael is pretty popular in this board (?). I personally was never a fan of *Turn whole board to one colour* skills. :/
Even if you don't have enough blue healers I&I is still terrific mono-blue leader/sub though.

Someone said there were big numbers and numbers were wanted.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 03, 2014, 12:40:49 AM
So in about 200 stamina worth of this dungeon, I have received a black fairy twice

And across all of the miscellaneous other drops, I didn't even get enough fodder to get one of them to max level to evolve

This game is horseshit.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 03, 2014, 12:45:01 AM
I'm not even doing Cattleya dungeon unless I have ABSOLUTELY nothing else to do. As much as I'd love to skill up pandora, the drop rate is just disgusting and I'd rather not bother. I'll do them on x2 drop days too, I guess.

I'm actually taking this time to work my way through conditionals instead. Up to the water dungeons now! \o/
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 03, 2014, 12:52:38 AM
I just noticed there are some 1.5x and 2x days

I think I'm just going to wait until then, and run fucking...  dungeon of darkness all day.  woo.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 03, 2014, 01:35:43 AM
I have a lot of downtime between classes thanks to bus schedules sucking, so guess what I'm doing forever!

It's being kind of nice though, i've got three already. I just need...more...and then flowers, and amelits...

Edit: DUB EME CONFIRMED FOR MINE

DEVILBU RIDESSSSSS
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 03, 2014, 02:25:23 AM
wat
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 03, 2014, 02:38:03 AM
Hey, at least you'll have a easier time farming for skill-ups when you need to.
You get rank ups pretty quick from Hera too, the exp is pretty good.

Well it's all just rumours now though so I wouldn't worry too much about it. (Probably based on the trend that all newly added normal dungeons are unlocked after starlight.)
Hopefully gungho isn't dumb enough to do this but they've done lots of dumb stuff recently.

My main issue is that this move benefits long-time players, both non-IAP and IAP, who have already completed the old and "obsoleted" descends many times because they started from the beginning, allowing more flexibility to introduce additional descends into the rotation, but all it does is lock newer players behind further walls because the Normal dungeons experience difficulty spikes much like you climb Mount Everest. I personally just hit the T5 Normal dungeons and now I get walled more often than not.

I'm not happy about the move all in all but only because I'm looking at it selfishly with only my own interests in mind.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on September 03, 2014, 02:43:26 AM
I don't think it would be too bad if they came out at the same time as Starlight Sanctuary. The bosses in normals are pretty manageable until Goddess of War if you ask me.


My main issue is that this move benefits long-time players, both non-IAP and IAP, who have already completed the old and "obsoleted" descends many times because they started from the beginning, allowing more flexibility to introduce additional descends into the rotation, but all it does is lock newer players behind further walls because the Normal dungeons experience difficulty spikes much like you climb Mount Everest. I personally just hit the T5 Normal dungeons and now I get walled more often than not.

I'm not happy about the move all in all but only because I'm looking at it selfishly with only my own interests in mind.


Eh, I think the game's become easier for new players as time went on. Then again, maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 03, 2014, 03:03:53 AM
My main issue is that this move benefits long-time players, both non-IAP and IAP, who have already completed the old and "obsoleted" descends many times because they started from the beginning, allowing more flexibility to introduce additional descends into the rotation, but all it does is lock newer players behind further walls because the Normal dungeons experience difficulty spikes much like you climb Mount Everest. I personally just hit the T5 Normal dungeons and now I get walled more often than not.

I'm not happy about the move all in all but only because I'm looking at it selfishly with only my own interests in mind.

The problem with this move is that newer players are the ones that will eventually become long-timers as well, then you consider that I'm pretty sure there are many players like me who have simply decided to make a goal and go for it really hard (hello healer team)  the amount of goals a player has is decreased substantially before they beat starlight sanctuary, since they'll be forced to either invest painfully heavily in their teams and make specific teams to tackle these dungeons or get extremely lucky (or just whale really hard) at the REM to cheese them with Ronia or something.

I mean, I think everyone here has an idea of just how much I've invested in my monored and even Vesta Cave is giving me problems - let alone starlight sanctuary, I doubt too many players are different in that regard.

(If you don't know about my monored just click my padherder in the sig, you'll spot it pretty quick)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on September 03, 2014, 03:41:27 AM
The problem with this move is that newer players are the ones that will eventually become long-timers as well, then you consider that I'm pretty sure there are many players like me who have simply decided to make a goal and go for it really hard (hello healer team)  the amount of goals a player has is decreased substantially before they beat starlight sanctuary, since they'll be forced to either invest painfully heavily in their teams and make specific teams to tackle these dungeons or get extremely lucky (or just whale really hard) at the REM to cheese them with Ronia or something.

I mean, I think everyone here has an idea of just how much I've invested in my monored and even Vesta Cave is giving me problems - let alone starlight sanctuary, I doubt too many players are different in that regard.

(If you don't know about my monored just click my padherder in the sig, you'll spot it pretty quick)

What part of Vesta Cave is giving you problems? I noticed that you don't have a lot of recovery. Maybe try replacing something with Uriel. You can also try looking in to Goemon. Goemon + Horus+ should hit pretty hard. You can also try teaming up with a Freyr. 4x Recovery should be enough. I noticed you don't have a Homura. He's pretty useful too.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Conqueror on September 03, 2014, 03:59:38 AM
Are they saying the Descend dungeons would be removed from the rotation and unlocked only after Starlight Sanctuary?

Seems stupid because I can only imagine how long it would have taken for me to beat most of Starlight Sanctuary without Gravity. I'd rather wait a month+ for 100% drop instead of slapping my head over drop rates, also.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 03, 2014, 04:03:24 AM
What part of Vesta Cave is giving you problems? I noticed that you don't have a lot of recovery. Maybe try replacing something with Uriel. You can also try looking in to Goemon. Goemon + Horus+ should hit pretty hard. You can also try teaming up with a Freyr. 4x Recovery should be enough. I noticed you don't have a Homura. He's pretty useful too.

As soon as Uriel is on a respectable enough level (and I'm rank 132) I'll put him in place of MVD, he's essentially a better version of MVD anyway, though I didn't really have that option until very recently.

Vesta Cave gives me problems because it forces me to use a shiva friend (goddamn you ifrit and your stupid high defense) and that leaves me rather vulnerable especially because I have to lose Ares's orbchange for it, the RCV is a massive problem yes (my own fault for going F/L on horus, really)  but tyrannos's x2 rcv mitigates that enough that I can make do when you take echidna's delay into account, I mean, assuming I don't get completely and utterly orbtrolled several times in a row, which unfortunately seems to happen often enough for it to be a problem.

Are they saying the Descend dungeons would be removed from the rotation and unlocked only after Starlight Sanctuary?

Seems stupid because I can only imagine how long it would have taken for me to beat most of Starlight Sanctuary without Gravity. I'd rather wait a month+ for 100% drop instead of slapping my head over drop rates, also.

For now it's just a rumour floating around, though GungHo has made very stupid decisions in the past, and apparently every "new" normal/technical dungeon is being placed after Starlight Sanctuary/Hill of Iris's Rainbow so people are wary - and rightly so since it would screw a LOT of people over.

Would be a lot more reasonable if they made them unlock after you finish OoH and whatever the technical equivalent is - by then most people should actually have a possibility of beating it, without GungHo expecting them to do starlight sanctuary or hill of iris's rainbow.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on September 03, 2014, 04:28:47 AM
As soon as Uriel is on a respectable enough level (and I'm rank 132) I'll put him in place of MVD, he's essentially a better version of MVD anyway, though I didn't really have that option until very recently.

Vesta Cave gives me problems because it forces me to use a shiva friend (goddamn you ifrit and your stupid high defense) and that leaves me rather vulnerable especially because I have to lose Ares's orbchange for it, the RCV is a massive problem yes (my own fault for going F/L on horus, really)  but tyrannos's x2 rcv mitigates that enough that I can make do when you take echidna's delay into account, I mean, assuming I don't get completely and utterly orbtrolled several times in a roll, which unfortunately seems to happen often enough for it to be a problem.



I don't think you need Shiva. It's only 71k defense. I think you can just use Ares and MVD to blow up Ifrit. If you can get 4 fire combos and 1 other combo, he's done.  Between Ares and MVD, I think you can manage that. This is assuming you have a max level Ares with an awakening or two though. If he has +eggs, it gets easier.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 03, 2014, 05:12:41 AM
The problem with this move is that newer players are the ones that will eventually become long-timers as well, then you consider that I'm pretty sure there are many players like me who have simply decided to make a goal and go for it really hard (hello healer team)  the amount of goals a player has is decreased substantially before they beat starlight sanctuary, since they'll be forced to either invest painfully heavily in their teams and make specific teams to tackle these dungeons or get extremely lucky (or just whale really hard) at the REM to cheese them with Ronia or something.

I mean, I think everyone here has an idea of just how much I've invested in my monored and even Vesta Cave is giving me problems - let alone starlight sanctuary, I doubt too many players are different in that regard.

As bullshit as SS is being for most people; your message completely misses my point - newer players have to go through more hurdles than the established playerbase already because descends containing monsters that are good to have for lower ranked players to start with such as Hera, Sieg/Cu Chu, and others, may run a risk of being taken out of rotation if this is really going to be a thing which happens.

And saying how you're having trouble at your point in the game solidifies my point further - newer players will have to either resort to whaling the REM to get a good lineup straight off the bat or spend extra months weeks grinding out levels in order to brute force through the original content since older descends will get locked out if they get placed after SS.

Overall I don't understand why you're trying to undermine my criticism
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on September 03, 2014, 06:42:45 AM
While they're only added new normal dungeons after SS, you also have to note that those were all 88/99 stamina dungeons that are surely more difficult than a Legend descent like Hera.



http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/140903_muracolle.html

Gungho doing mura collections outside of godfes again. :colonveeplusalpha:
Hatsume... T__T and green valk @_@!
I knew I shouldn't have rolled in the previous godfes.



http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/140827_anke_monster.html

Kodama and Green Chasers got the 10th Questionnaire guys.
I thought Kodama was really easy to get since you can farm Gaia Expert (30 stam) and they dropped most of the time for me. I got my Sasuke 3 skill lvs pretty easily. I'm not complaining that it's not Neneko though, it'd be the best if that can wait till I got my own Hatsume. Haha :V
Good for Meimei owners though, I'm surprised the Meimei fanbase won over the LMeta fanbase. Thought LMeta had a larger following.

Edit: Murako tweeted that there will be a special "Expert" difficulty with increased drop rate to celebrate this being the 10th questionnaire dungeon!!
Seriously, lucky Meimei owners.  *jelly*
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 03, 2014, 08:53:39 AM
Overall I don't understand why you're trying to undermine my criticism

Oh, I'm not trying to undermine it! Forgive me if I came out that way actually, I was pretty much agreeing with you.

I should probably stay out of these things in the future, I have troubles expressing myself sometimes :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 03, 2014, 09:11:44 AM
http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/140903_muracolle.html

Gungho doing mura collections outside of godfes again. :colonveeplusalpha:
Hatsume... T__T and green valk @_@!
I knew I shouldn't have rolled in the previous godfes.


I /should/ reach my 50th day during the Mura Collection (as it lasts a week) so you think it's worth for me to dump some stones into pulling from REM for some?

Maybe I can get a Valk?

Oh, I'm not trying to undermine it! Forgive me if I came out that way actually, I was pretty much agreeing with you.

I should probably stay out of these things in the future, I have troubles expressing myself sometimes :derp:

It's okay, everyone's telling me I have it better for my rank so I guess I shouldn't complain so much, but it's still frustrating to hear.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 03, 2014, 01:10:12 PM
Isis now evolved. Now I get to try and attempt to punch out the twinlits again on friday.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Yukarin on September 03, 2014, 02:17:38 PM
so guys apparently noah's coming.

how will you guys tackle her?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 03, 2014, 02:33:55 PM
I'm planning on rolling
R/G Suzaku
Godin
Sakuya
Hera
Gabriel
[combo/rainbow lead maybe possibly Isis?]

At least, for Legendary. I have two gravities for Noah's massive HP at least (which I'm probably going to burn just before she does her Ark Judgement thing). Even if I use Gabriel's active to heartmake, I can still proc R/G Suzaku if I have both red and green orbs to match, so it's not a huge loss.

but I need an Isis friend.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 03, 2014, 02:37:01 PM
Gonna wait until next time.  I'd like a Noah but I have other priorities atm.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on September 03, 2014, 03:01:17 PM
Isis all the descends BV
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 03, 2014, 03:02:34 PM
Yo Suikama I hear you have an epic Isis
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 03, 2014, 03:16:22 PM
so guys apparently noah's coming.

how will you guys tackle her?

Not at all, need Gabe skillups. Not going well. Keep dropping unevolved Cockatrices over and over and over. And I probably can't beat her right now anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 03, 2014, 03:35:24 PM
according to padherder

(http://puu.sh/bjKyQ/c2a941b171.png)

:colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 03, 2014, 03:38:41 PM
so guys apparently noah's coming.

how will you guys tackle her?

i can't hear you over fairies.

Also if you want to be mad about permenancy, realize this means they have their hands on the dungeons to fuck around with them again!

WHOS READY FOR 12034312328 MULTI HIT ZEUS
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 03, 2014, 04:12:58 PM
so guys apparently noah's coming.

how will you guys tackle her?

leilan x isis masterrace

I was actually thinking of doing this same thing, but I obviously don't have as pro subs.

R/G Leilan
Dark Golem MK3 (HP stick and SB, active might help marginally on Blast Dragon)
Bastet (HP stick and active for waves 3 and 4, but I would have to survive 11 turns beforehand and sweep in three turns)
Angelion (Heartmaker)
Ecchi (Standard delay)
Twinlit Isis FL

Bastet might be swapped into the leader spot - might be better overall, since there closest thing to trash in this dungeon are the pengdras which have almost 300k HP, so 3.50x controlled burst is probably ineffective here for sniping them out. I /might/ try to stuff Zeus in there somehow, but I think I can do this without the grav.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on September 03, 2014, 04:38:13 PM
Yo Suikama I hear you have an epic Isis
Do I not already have you on my list? :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 03, 2014, 05:44:19 PM
Do I not already have you on my list? :derp:

Evidently not.  :ohdear: I just sent a friend request, though, if that's alright.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on September 03, 2014, 11:34:37 PM
I /should/ reach my 50th day during the Mura Collection (as it lasts a week) so you think it's worth for me to dump some stones into pulling from REM for some?

Maybe I can get a Valk?

It's okay, everyone's telling me I have it better for my rank so I guess I shouldn't complain so much, but it's still frustrating to hear.

It is said the 6 star stuff in muracore is harder to roll. Green Valk works for bastet but Dark valk is more of a dark team thing than healer team thing.
As for the other 6 star stuff, they have a really good selection this time tbh.
Though the main attractions are riders and ninjas, so ask yourself if you need any of them. I'd say riders aren't too useful for you right now, but ninjas are all 5cd orb changers with row and skill boost so they're nice to have.

Btw, I recall you only get stones at 30th, 60th, 100th day before the gifts every 50 days pattern begin.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 04, 2014, 12:40:52 AM
It is said the 6 star stuff in muracore is harder to roll. Green Valk works for bastet but Dark valk is more of a dark team thing than healer team thing.
As for the other 6 star stuff, they have a really good selection this time tbh.
Though the main attractions are riders and ninjas, so ask yourself if you need any of them. I'd say riders aren't too useful for you right now, but ninjas are all 5cd orb changers with row and skill boost so they're nice to have.

i'll yolo roll then
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 04, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
I just had that moment nobody wants to come up against in a mobile game. I was on the last floor of Mystic Blue Dragon on Legend, on a run that would rank me up if successful. It was also the first run out of the last four to actually drop an evolved Cockatrice. Antikythera was at low health, just above 30%. The plan was to hit him as hard as possible while matching at least one set of pink orbs to make sure I had the HP to take a Constellation Blast before I popped King Shynee to finish him off.

Mid-combo I got a call.

It caused me to drop and fail to match any heal orbs. My HP was close to full beforehand, but not enough to actually take the hit without healing. Fortunately for me my auto-heal kicked in and I was left with 400 HP. If I had gone in with one of my non-+297 Idunn I would have died. Goddamn. :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on September 04, 2014, 01:06:14 AM
I just had that moment nobody wants to come up against in a mobile game. I was on the last floor of Mystic Blue Dragon on Legend, on a run that would rank me up if successful. It was also the first run out of the last four to actually drop an evolved Cockatrice. Antikythera was at low health, just above 30%. The plan was to hit him as hard as possible while matching at least one set of pink orbs to make sure I had the HP to take a Constellation Blast before I popped King Shynee to finish him off.

Mid-combo I got a call.

It caused me to drop and fail to match any heal orbs. My HP was close to full beforehand, but not enough to actually take the hit without healing. Fortunately for me my auto-heal kicked in and I was left with 400 HP. If I had gone in with one of my non-+297 Idunn I would have died. Goddamn. :V

Airplane Mode. :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 04, 2014, 09:19:29 AM
After murakore

Sieg and Cu Chu will be removed from REM

wahaha~
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 04, 2014, 09:24:32 AM
Legend-tiers of the Legendary Dragons, Mechdragons, Sky Dragons and Ancient Dragons will be a part of the permanent Descended thing.

Don't the mechdragons have chaser invades? Doesn't that mean that getting chinese girl/lmeta skillups is a relatively simple affair now?

The same should apply to the mystical beasts, since they're also invades on the Sky Dragon/Ancient Dragon dungeons.

Also, the confirmed Descendeds for the permanent thing are Hera, 2 Heroes and Zeus.

Also also, massive cost and max cd reductions for literally anything with a "dragon" in its name, including reducing starter dragon min cooldowns to 8(9 for light/dark), skydragons to 2 (3 for light/dark), 12 for mechdragons (13 for light/dark) and pretty much every other dragon not named "zaerog" or "fagan".

Also also also, new Susano/Orochi uvos confirmed to not have completely retarded evo mats (blue fruit for orochi and green mask for susano + 1 of the jewels for each). Susano uvo has x3 atk/x1,35 rcv to attacker types and orochi has x4 attack for dragon types while below 80% (basically dmeta for dragon types)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 04, 2014, 11:37:14 AM
Don't the mechdragons have chaser invades? Doesn't that mean that getting chinese girl/lmeta skillups is a relatively simple affair now?

Have you actually TRIED farming for these guys? It is definitely not easy by any means of the word. And then you have to go evolve them.

In other news 14 feeds to toytops and still no skillups

I think toytops is gonna be that one mon for me
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on September 04, 2014, 11:47:14 AM
Wait, so people who can't do Legend on those dungeon types are gonna get totally screwed over by this, aren't they?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 04, 2014, 11:59:12 AM
Wait, so people who can't do Legend on those dungeon types are gonna get totally screwed over by this, aren't they?

iirc it's possible to dual-resist all the mechdragons and OOParts dragons(are ancient dragons these or the whiskey ones?) with a few tweaks, so if anyone just wanted them really badly for some reason the option is there and "cheap" to obtain.

Moreover this means God Canopus and Demon Hadar are now available all the time for anyone that wants to field them, which is pretty cool!

I guess also if the dungeons are exactly the same, later-game non-IAP people like me now have a slightly more reasonable option to chuck stamina at every day to skillup their chinagirls, which is also kinda rad since mechdragon dungeon exp is alright.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 04, 2014, 12:00:54 PM
Have you actually TRIED farming for these guys? It is definitely not easy by any means of the word. And then you have to go evolve them.

Okay, bad choice of words, what I meant to say is that it should be easier since now you don't have to wait for these things to come up and can just go farm them whenever.

Unless GunHo messes up the ratios to "compensate" for the fact that they're permanent dungeons now.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 04, 2014, 12:06:01 PM
Unless GunHo messes up the ratios to "compensate" for the fact that they're permanent dungeons now.

Assuming these are carbon copies of what we just recently experienced, the invade rates for chasers will be 4% or something, so I'll just consider it a one-off thing I could get in addition to xp grinding.

I should also probably mention that on Legend, I think the chimeras have a 100% drop rate fully evolved, meaning it is also decent to skillup your starter or late bloomer dragons. Considering the cd "buffs", I think they might be urging people to farm these.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on September 04, 2014, 12:42:29 PM
Never complaining about my skill up luck again.  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSdsJ6WjL2c)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on September 04, 2014, 12:50:35 PM
So I told my sister to get this game to play while waiting for her sprinkle points or whatever to regenerate in Kwazy Cupcakes Candy Crush, after more rerolling in the background of other things yesterday than I care to admit to, I scored a Pandora as she wanted something cute and no, Fairlio is cute but don't start with a Caterpie please.  Is that a good starter or should I try and hunt down something else?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 04, 2014, 12:59:00 PM
Afaik Pandora is fine but she'll need to get tons of dark orbchangers asap
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 04, 2014, 01:00:54 PM
Alternatively, pair up with a D/B Vampire or Haku and enjoy somewhat more balanced damage output.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 04, 2014, 01:08:29 PM
Never complaining about my skill up luck again.  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSdsJ6WjL2c)

that poor motherfucker, i think he wants to cry. poor kosuke-chan

So I told my sister to get this game to play while waiting for her sprinkle points or whatever to regenerate in Kwazy Cupcakes Candy Crush, after more rerolling in the background of other things yesterday than I care to admit to, I scored a Pandora as she wanted something cute and no, Fairlio is cute but don't start with a Caterpie please.  Is that a good starter or should I try and hunt down something else?

pandora is really desirable at the later points in the game but only if, as mentioned, you have dark orbchangers.

this means hanzo becomes a high priority as a sub, of course. but i think i'll just be repeating the gallery here

Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on September 04, 2014, 01:15:54 PM
Hmm, yeah I forgot about not already having orb changers I never got one of the Heroes so it's all new to me.  I'll see if I can't get lucky later today or something.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 04, 2014, 01:19:06 PM
Yeah Pandora also feeds off of rows iirc so you would also need tamas fast, and probably a lot more than like 6
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Post by: Suikama on September 04, 2014, 02:11:14 PM
Quote
[Master] difficulty will be available this time.
suddenly Genbu favoritism :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on September 04, 2014, 02:45:12 PM
suddenly Genbu favoritism :V

Maybe this means they might add master level difficulty to other surveys too.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 04, 2014, 02:53:01 PM
Yeah Pandora also feeds off of rows iirc so you would also need tamas fast, and probably a lot more than like 6

Lots of individual Dark row enhances are good, but you're actually only going to be making one row in practical situations since the optimal match requires 8 Dark orbs to be eliminated at once, leaving you room for only 2 4-matches of Dark orbs, so 2prong from, say, GZL may be OK as well.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 04, 2014, 03:04:23 PM
I'd go with pandora anyway because she's cute it's a pain rerolling, and she's a decent enough starter with her active as it is

She's not the best starter obviously but you can make a pretty solid early to mid game pandora team without much issue - vamp is farmable, CDK is farmable, CDD is farmable

You really don't need to worry about row enhances etc until much later
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on September 04, 2014, 03:14:23 PM
Oh god yeah awakenings are waaaaaay in the future.  I'm looking basically for a pick up and go leader, I guess if I can stack her friends list with appropriate dark leaders to smooth it over that'll help.

But the cute factor does count for a lot, too bad I can't just give her my Freyja that'd be perfect.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 04, 2014, 03:17:50 PM
Pandorable is a solid lead for the whole game too, so there's that

Many people will want to be her friend

She's extremely popular in Japan too (for both the fans and the developers) so the chances of her getting a great ult evo is quite high.  I'm hoping it's devil >_>
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 04, 2014, 03:18:18 PM
holy cripes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-tMQhcsFg)

Oh god yeah awakenings are waaaaaay in the future.  I'm looking basically for a pick up and go leader, I guess if I can stack her friends list with appropriate dark leaders to smooth it over that'll help.

But the cute factor does count for a lot, too bad I can't just give her my Freyja that'd be perfect.

Pandora's solid really :)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 04, 2014, 03:21:37 PM
*is willing to friend a Pandorable with a max-skilled D/D Haku*

34 unevo'd Cockatrices chilling out in my box thus far. My main Gabriel has two successful skillups thus far.
Can I stop now?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 04, 2014, 03:24:43 PM
So for anyone that noticed the possible Kapibara-san collab incoming, it was brought to my attention in IRC that the fire guy looks solid for anti-Gaia team unevolved with his active and attacker sub pairing with Rowdy Red.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 04, 2014, 03:37:06 PM
fucking sad when the PEM gives me something I want on a whim (mystic mask)

and

friday dungeon still refuses to give me a dub-sapphilit
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on September 04, 2014, 03:41:42 PM
Hahah I gave it one more shot reyolorolling, fucking Dino Rider NOPE

So yes for all your Pandorabubble needs 387,838,351 though it just occurred to me I never had her do the tutorial to see that it's not played like Candy Crush whoops  :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Jq1790 on September 04, 2014, 03:47:49 PM
Hahah I gave it one more shot reyolorolling, fucking Dino Rider NOPE

So yes for all your Pandorabubble needs 387,838,351 though it just occurred to me I never had her do the tutorial to see that it's not played like Candy Crush whoops  :V
Just show her the official US trailer.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 04, 2014, 03:53:39 PM
I just realized Heroes Descended means permanent Blue Valkyrie skillups. If my math is right I should be able to max her out in three weeks of nonstop Two Heroes, not accounting for rankups. I'm sure if I do that will invoke the immediate return of Poring Tower (and odds are by the time permanent descends are a thing here we'll have gotten Tower back anyway), but I like that I'll have that option.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 04, 2014, 04:25:45 PM
I'm still wondering what permanent descends means when spirit jewels roll around, unless these get magically excluded.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on September 04, 2014, 04:27:45 PM
I think only Zeus had Spirit Jewels anyway, so I'm imagine they'd be excluded to match 2heroes and Hera
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 04, 2014, 04:32:20 PM
Actually, PDX says that 2Heroes has a possible Kirin invade (lacking the skillbind, of course).
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 04, 2014, 05:27:40 PM
I think only Zeus had Spirit Jewels anyway, so I'm imagine they'd be excluded to match 2heroes and Hera

Both should qualify, iirc- they're still legendary.

I'm still wondering what permanent descends means when spirit jewels roll around, unless these get magically excluded.

Either easier shots at chinese, or less chances for these dungeons to be screwed over for those unprepared (such as newer players).

I'm surprised by the short list of actual descendeds, but pleased by inclusion of biweeklies.

Especially the Mech Dragons! Wow I might actually make god cantaloupe and devil hairdryer.

These are -absolutely- the cards thatwanted free skillup access too, dang. We're kinda making out like bandits here. Surprised Valk isn't being pulled out as well, but I suppose if shit goes south it's a backup for them.

Maybe they think light healer is too strong? ;v

Edit: Oh, 1.5x on shadow sprite starts now. I thought it was tomorrow.

ahahahahaha i wasted my stamina earlier for 1 single cattleya with this coming
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 04, 2014, 07:37:14 PM
Okay, this game is sentient, right? I decided to put farming Mystic Blue on hold for a few hours while blue dungeons are on increased drops to evolve a bunch of my Cockatrices. I got three blue demon masks in three runs, then zero for the next 70 stamina. I decided to go run Frozen Soil to rank up, and in one run got three dub-saphilits. This game is learning what I'm trying to farm and deliberately withholding it, then when I go somewhere else it taunts me with stuff I'm just going to have to throw away to make more space. >:(
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 04, 2014, 07:38:53 PM
ahahahahaha i wasted my stamina earlier for 1 single cattleya with this coming

I waited for it to hit 1.5x and then dumped 100 stamina or so on it, zero drops

So I don't think you wasted your stamina, per se
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 04, 2014, 08:37:22 PM
Dumped 45 stam and 0 pirates, or cattleyas for that matter.

I think i will go back to mars crater instead
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 04, 2014, 08:44:12 PM
...About 100 stamina dumped outside of x1,5, 4 cattleyas.

Please don't hit me  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on September 04, 2014, 08:58:08 PM
So Mulan will be dark balanced.

She gets a bind resist to go with her skill boost she reduces binds by 3 turns I think. That's what google translate is telling me.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 04, 2014, 09:42:29 PM
I waited for it to hit 1.5x and then dumped 100 stamina or so on it, zero drops

So I don't think you wasted your stamina, per se

Ehhh. I mean I kinda got the same rate (1 for 4 runs) inside as well, so I guess?

Still slightly annoyed. I'll rank up outside of 2x or 1.5x too, which also blows.

Dumped 45 stam and 0 pirates, or cattleyas for that matter.

I think i will go back to mars crater instead

wtt pirates for cattleyas
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 04, 2014, 10:52:30 PM
I'd go with pandora anyway because she's cute it's a pain rerolling, and she's a decent enough starter with her active as it is

She's not the best starter obviously but you can make a pretty solid early to mid game pandora team without much issue - vamp is farmable, CDK is farmable, CDD is farmable

You really don't need to worry about row enhances etc until much later

Even in early game, Big Baddie is farmable. Make a team with a buncha those and you'll breeze through early game.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 04, 2014, 10:59:55 PM
I just dropped 95 stamina trying to get blue evolution masks. I got none.

0/19.

What. The. Fuck?
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 04, 2014, 11:55:41 PM
Even in early game, Big Baddie is farmable. Make a team with a buncha those and you'll breeze through early game.

Really even the random dark things you roll out would work.

The bigger problem is the setup- farming most of her orb changes will end up boring and excruciating, which may suck for beginning the game.

Then again, Chirei is still around.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 05, 2014, 12:45:37 AM
Then again, Chirei is still around.

Huh am I needed for something

Edit: Yes I am no stranger to farming something for extended periods of time using limited resources

goddamn monmusu ;;
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 05, 2014, 01:00:11 AM
I just dropped 95 stamina trying to get blue evolution masks. I got none.

0/19.

What. The. Fuck?

I know that feel, even if it's not as bad :(

I dropped a total of 75 stamina trying to get dub-sapphilits

0/3 - I would like to reiterate that I have never gotten a dub-sapphilit ever since I started 47 days ago

In one of those Friday dungeon runs I got 2 dub-mythlits

GungHo pls
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: triangles on September 05, 2014, 01:12:06 AM
I don't even want to talk about the hell that was the red babby evolution masks for my approx. 700 Ares space invaders.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on September 05, 2014, 01:34:58 AM
I don't even want to talk about the hell that was the red babby evolution masks for my approx. 700 Ares space invaders.

ikr, I'm still not done skilling my I&I.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 05, 2014, 01:36:54 AM
The singular blue space invader (SL 2) that I was keeping as a replacement Blue Enhance actually skilled up my I&I once, so now I feel obligated to skill the rest of I&I up.

Whenever Groove Coaster comes around again...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: hyorinryu on September 05, 2014, 03:22:11 AM
After 4 attempts I finally got Tengu.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on September 05, 2014, 04:20:36 AM
I've realized what to do with the extra turns Sun Quan give you.
You arrange your board in prepare for the next turn when you'll use your orb changers. :3

(http://i.imgur.com/XVwuxBc.png)
That moment when everything goes according to plan.

(http://i.imgur.com/RDGOps0.png)
HELL YEAH FIRE ZEUS 0 STONES CLEAR

I knew it'd take a miracle to do this with Bastet so I waited till I rolled an I&I before I attempted this.
Artemis gave me the most trouble. She binds my I&I 2/3 of the turns and my water team with 3x atk can't touch her.
If I use any skills I can't deal with the Fire Hera next turn. If I use Sun Quan I can't stall for another 14 turns before Fire Zeus.
In the end I just had to grind it out, enduring 8k~12k per turn from Artemis (15k per turn after 50% hp) though she does give you a break with a 5k+bind leader attack every third turn.
I brought Amaterasu for Fire Hera's water bind but ended up using it to save my life on Artemis (then proceeded to kill Fire Hera in one hit.)

Again, couldn't use skills at Ares because I need them for Fire Zeus, but that wasn't a problem because Sun Quan's sunglasses blocked the Board Darkening TWICE IN A ROW. I wish I had this kind of luck when I do skill ups. 20% chance per block only seriously...

This would've been much easier if I had a Hatsume because I always couldn't spare using my blue valk for a wave because I need it more for the next wave. ;-;

Anyways, to celebrate, lets roll Muracore!
>Gets Fire Toy Dragon.
ouch
Game "Here have this fire dragon to use with your fire zeus team *trollface*"

(It's my first Fire Toy Dragon rofl)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 05, 2014, 04:25:32 AM
No triple row? I am ashamed of you, thaws.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on September 05, 2014, 04:27:06 AM
No triple row? I am ashamed of you, thaws.

Look again, that's a triple row.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 05, 2014, 04:30:37 AM
Look again, that's a triple row.

Ah, I see.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 05, 2014, 07:27:33 AM
I yolo-rolled for Murakore

[15:22] <lazyhime> #YOLO ROLL
[15:22] <Chirei> something blue

I got Mandrake (+)

Chirei jinxed me.



C/o Arashi:

Finally getting Blue Zeus, "Zeus Mercury"

A stream will be presented next Friday from 17:00-19:00 JST tentative to showcase Zeus Mercury Descended.

http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/140905_live.html



Details on the new dungeon rotations.

NORMAL DUNGEONS
Legendary Flame Dragon (MASTER)
Sky Dragon of Flame [NO RCV] (MASTER)
Hera Descended
Two Heroes Descended

Legendary Flame Dragon appears with Vesta Cave after Ocean of Heaven.
Sky Dragon of Flame appears after completing Legendary Flame Dragon.
No details on appearance of Descends.

TECHNICAL DUNGEONS
Flame Mechdragon (LEGEND)
Ancient Flame Dragon (LEGEND)
Zeus Descends

Flame Mechdragon appear with Forbidden Tower after Hill of Iris' Rainbow.
Ancient Flame Dragon appears after completing Flame Mechdragon.
No details on Zeus
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 05, 2014, 12:23:40 PM
That incredible moment when I'm 2 for 2 on successful Susano-o skill up attempts.
I don't feel quite right killing vegetables like this...
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 05, 2014, 12:58:55 PM
THE VALKYRIE FINALLY DROPPED

Had to 2-stone it though because I'm stupid but whatever SHE DROPPED I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS DUNGEON ANYMORE

Got her to skill level 8 from the 13 Drops I had saved up, so now all that's left to work on the healer team (for the time being, anyway) is getting a dub-rubylit for Raphael's Uvo.

After that it's back to farming cattleyas and casually dropping exp on Rouge.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 05, 2014, 02:03:11 PM
This just in: Ronia lols heartily at holy goddess mythical
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 05, 2014, 02:07:54 PM
This just in: Ronia lols heartily at everything

FTFY good sir and friend
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 05, 2014, 03:24:31 PM
1/29 on blue evo masks. What... I don't... What?

Also 1/13 on skillups so far. This is going pretty terribly.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 05, 2014, 03:31:42 PM
If all else fails, you can always get Gabriel skillups off Wadatsumi  :getdown:

Between evo'd Gabriel skillups and Hatsume skillups dropping off Wadatsumi I really need to get a team that isn't Odin+Ammy together for it..
IF I EVER GET A HATSUME  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 05, 2014, 04:03:53 PM
On double skillup chance you should get two skillups for every three Scald burns. Bullshit. Somebody here is lying about their numbers. :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 05, 2014, 04:09:59 PM
I have fed I am not kidding about 50 different things since this event and gotten 0 skillups, I think this event is secretly a nerf
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 06, 2014, 01:18:24 AM
I'll say this for this ridiculous skillup nonsense: It ups the stakes, which makes things more frustrating, but also potentially more exciting. If I have to wait 8.3 hours to do a legend dungeon and things get close I get the same level of near-heart-attack-inducing panic/excitement that I get playing Touhou, and that's cool. And when I do get a skillup it's a big deal (I'm up to 2/15). Had that last one I tried not yielded a skillup I may have knocked myself unconscious banging my head into my desk, but since it did I was pretty pleased.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 06, 2014, 01:58:13 AM
I'll say this for this ridiculous skillup nonsense: It ups the stakes, which makes things more frustrating, but also potentially more exciting. If I have to wait 8.3 hours to do a legend dungeon and things get close I get the same level of near-heart-attack-inducing panic/excitement that I get playing Touhou, and that's cool. And when I do get a skillup it's a big deal (I'm up to 2/15). Had that last one I tried not yielded a skillup I may have knocked myself unconscious banging my head into my desk, but since it did I was pretty pleased.

Remember

you could always be Kosuke

0/29 on Bold Pirate Dragon Zaerog skillups. During the skillup rate increase.

YEAH
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 06, 2014, 02:26:23 AM
Remember

you could always be Kosuke

0/29 on Bold Pirate Dragon Zaerog skillups. During the skillup rate increase.

YEAH

At that point it almost makes sense. Hubris, man.:derp:
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Zerviscos on September 06, 2014, 02:55:14 AM
Finally got Vanilla Valkyrie from the Descended dungeon. Though I would still wish I could get I&I, still a much better Healer leader when ult'd evo'd.
Details on the new dungeon rotations.

Hera Descended
Finally, I needed a Hera to complete my Devil team.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 06, 2014, 03:25:19 AM
Finally, I needed a Hera to complete my Devil team.

We don't know how drop rates will be changed if they are changed. Doubt it'll be 100% drop anymore.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Thaws on September 06, 2014, 03:35:58 AM
We don't know how drop rates will be changed if they are changed. Doubt it'll be 100% drop anymore.

Twinlits and Trifruits didn't get their drop rates changed when they went from being a descent to weekday dungeons, I don't see why they'd change that here, especially when it's still 40 stamina. (Heroes went from 50 to 40 though?)
The normal dungeon biweekly dragons only get Master difficulty so they won't be 100% drop to begin with though...



Just as I clear Fire Zeus finally, Water Zeus arrives. lols
Zeus dungeons are always the most difficult ones of their times, I can't imagine how ridiculous they'll make this dungeon be.



2nd roll of muracore
Gets my 2nd Sasuke.
fff how hard is it to not get a repeat from REM...
Might attempted 1~2 more rolls later.... I want that hatsume T_T
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 06, 2014, 03:44:10 AM
Twinlits and Trifruits didn't get their drop rates changed when they went from being a descent to weekday dungeons, I don't see why they'd change that here, especially when it's still 40 stamina. (Heroes went from 50 to 40 though?)
The normal dungeon biweekly dragons only get Master difficulty so they won't be 100% drop to begin with though...

Yeah but the Descends aren't weekday dungeons so you can ram your head at them everyday of the week; it's not the same as a weekday dungeon where you've only got one day a week to have a shot at it.

2nd roll of muracore
Gets my 2nd Sasuke.
fff how hard is it to not get a repeat from REM...
Might attempted 1~2 more rolls later.... I want that hatsume T_T

I wanted an orbchanger and instead I got Mandrake; yet I don't has any stones to try another roll... =(

Pls gib
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on September 06, 2014, 09:39:09 AM
It's a shame I haven't been able to mess with my BOdin yet. He'd be a perfect substitute for Sieg on my Kirin team to make it a rainbow team.

Meanwhile I'm replacing Sieg with Vamp right now so it IS a rainbow team regardless so I can at least give Noah Legend a try.

Also I'm down to 10 dodecahedrons and I STILL need just one more skillup for FA Luci. Farming topalits is nothing compared to farming fucking dragon flowers :(
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: trancehime on September 06, 2014, 12:02:23 PM
So I just hit max level on Archangel Metatron

I won't evolve her immediately yet since my healer team suddenly no longer works due to Voice of God Metatron having a whopping 50 cost, so I'll rank up for the meanwhile instead.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 06, 2014, 01:50:47 PM
Squeeeee
Got a Noah off my first Legend attempt.
R/G Suzaku/Sakuya/Godin/Gabriel/Hera/Isis has no issue stalling on the first, second, and even Noah herself. Bringing Echidna for the last damage rush instead of Gabriel is probably something to do if I wanted to bring a 1-stone to 0-stone.

Also at 53 unevolved Cockatrices.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on September 06, 2014, 02:29:21 PM
I won't be doing Noah Descended for both a lack of need (I don't have nearly enough gods to make use of Noah's leader skill) and the sheer lack of a decent rainbow team (Still need to work on my Horus Team, sadly).

Meanwhile, I've been running nothing but Shadow Sprite the last few days, for the sheer lack of anything else to do, I'm currently 0/1 on skillups and I also have 5 Cattleyas sitting on my box, 4 unevolved with only 2 ready for evolution.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 06, 2014, 02:47:22 PM
I forgot about using Noah as a leader.
I got a Gabriel lead that could really use a 24000 HP stick. A lesser Lucy nuke is also nifty.

No RCV on Noah? Triple Gabriel + Ruka + Siren have plenty of RCV to spare. :V
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 06, 2014, 03:16:19 PM
suikama where are you i need to punch out some biblical anime figures
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 06, 2014, 03:48:24 PM
A lesser better Lucy nuke is also nifty.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Suikama on September 06, 2014, 05:53:28 PM
Alright Noah Legend was easy enough

although man THREE pengdras, TWO chimeras, and TWO mythical beasts each at the same time will definitely be problematic on mythical
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 06, 2014, 08:50:28 PM
I guess I didn't look closely enough at Saber Noah Legend. I totally could have done that. Well, I don't have a team prepared, so I guess I'll just get her next time. Not like I really have a particular use for her.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 06, 2014, 09:12:58 PM
I might try noah tomorrow, 2x takes priority.

12 fairies not enough. I NEED MORE.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: OverlordChirei on September 06, 2014, 09:19:57 PM
I have defeated kancolle

(http://i.imgur.com/NwgrUVY.png)

Thanks Suikama for hypermax isis
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Edible on September 06, 2014, 09:37:41 PM
This 2x event for black fairy is as horseshit as the rest of the dungeon

Edit: Yep, ~150 stamina today and not a single drop.  I'm still only at 4 fairies and I've been running this all week.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Espadas on September 06, 2014, 10:41:26 PM
Ok you won.... you have made me way too much intrigued by this game and now i want to try it.  :V
Unfortunately I am an utter, complete noob about mobiles so i'll need your help.... :blush:

- I live in Spain and i have an Android-based mobile: can i play PAD at all? If so, how?

- Which version should i join, US or JP? (i know almost nothing of japanese) What are the biggest differences between the 2?

EDIT: forgot one: is there a way to "save" your game data? I'll probably buy a new cell soon so i would really dislike losing all because of it.... (if there is a way, would it work even if i changed to an iOS-based mobile?)
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: commandercool on September 06, 2014, 10:56:51 PM
I feel bad, I only ran the dark fairy dungeon for the stone and I got two of them... :(

EDIT: forgot one: is there a way to "save" your game data? I'll probably buy a new cell soon so i would really dislike losing all because of it.... (if there is a way, would it work even if i changed to an iOS-based mobile?)

This is the only one of your questions I can answer. There is a process in-game for migrating data, as long as both devices use the same operating system.
Title: Re: Puzzles and Dragons 11- This is Ridiculous. It's not even funny.
Post by: Chaore on September 07, 2014, 12:28:58 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Dc6ZY5Z.jpg)

Have some neat art credits. Also someone more motivated should do next thread.