Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2013, 11:48:47 PM
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~*~Mirai Nikki~*~
Consentes Dii Juno Jupiter Minerva Apollo Mars Ceres Mercurius Diana Baccus Vulcanus Pluto Vesta Venus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql0NtjXIv_s)
On a different earth, twelve people were granted the Future Diary by Deus Ex Machina in order to play a survival game to determine who would become God. When they were shown the DEAD END from another future, the diary owners decided not to play Deus's game and instead work together to create a better future. But not everyone was willing to give up the power of God. The first blood has already been spilled and the DEAD END flags have been set once more. Change the future and cheat death! Win the coveted miracle at the end of the Survival Game!
Moderator: Shadoweh ^_^/
Reviewer: Kitten4u
Regular rules shamelessly stolen from stalkee:
- Town must lynch (no majority = random lynch)
- Scum must kill every night.
- Day 1 will last 48 hours (2 Days). Day 2 and onward will last 72 hours (3 days). Nights are 24 hours.
- If you do not post in 24 hours, you wil be proded. If I deem you are unable to commit to the mafia, you will be modkilled or replaced.
- No extensions.
- No editing posts.
- Votes must have ## in front and be bolded (EG: ##Vote FAV) Unvotes are appreciated but unnessicary. Don't purposely post fake votes.
- Play to win.
- Don't be lame.
- Parties with private communication (e.g. scum) may communicate at any time.
- Don't quote any private communications (role PMs, questions you asked the mod, quicktopics etc.). Paraphrasing is fine. If you're unsure if your paraphrase comes too close to quoting ask a mod.
- You cannot talk about the game outside the thread.
- Bah posts are forbidden.
- Perfect Purple is reserved for the moderator. Do not use my color in your posts.
Special Shadoweh Rules:
- Twilight is the phase between when a hammer has been dropped and Night is announced. Town may continue to converse until the flip and Night is declared.
- No talking at Night.
- No nasty language. Any slurs, swears or other nasty things will be MODIFIED BEAUTIFULLY. See This thread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9247.0.html) for examples of what your UNCOUTH posts might turn into.
- Anti-town roles have learned the townie technology of killing and using night actions at the same time.
- In case action resolution ever comes up please refer to this handy chart. (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution)
- Flips will be given in full, See SYWTBTT Mafia for examples.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one townie is still alive.
You win when nothing can stop you from controlling 50% or more of the vote.
Any other win conditions were included in roles sent.
Hello, Sample NPC. You are Masumi Nishijima from Mirai Nikki. You are an honest and friendly annoying stalker douchebag police officer, starting as a rookie but quickly elevated to the position of chief investigator in the Sakurami City Police Department, working under Keigo Kurusu in only two years.
You developed a unique alliance with Minene look let's just cut to the chase, you are the worst character that ever existed and the world is a better place with you dead, so let's get on that. Please die forever.
Your theme song is Crazy For You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNoEBzK6LEc) (Which isn't actually about you, because you suck too much to have your own theme song.)
Role: Town Sample Role PM
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Townie
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Nothing (Passive) - If you had a passive ability it would go here. You suck too much for one.
More Nothing (Active) - If you had an active ability it would go here too! But you still suck! Bye Nishijima!
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pre-confirming my role PM
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Playing the Survival Game: 5/14
1. Dormio
2. Conqueror
6. Kilgamayan (didn'tmakeit) Bardiche
7. BT
8. Sereley
DEAD END: 9/14
4. Raikaria playing Tsubaki Kasugano, Town Gift Giver was lynched Day 1
10. huh what jesus playing Marco Ikusaba, Town Mason was killed Night 1
14. Paperblade playing Reisuke Houjou, Mafia Ascetic Redirector was lynched Day 2
9. Zakeri playing Yuno Gasai, Town Serial Killer was killed Night 2
5. Nekonekorex playing Minene Uryu, Town Bomb was lynched Day 3
11. Schezo playing Akise Aru, Town Cop was Exploded Day 3
13. BigBangMeteor playing Yomotsu Hirasaka, Town Justice Voter was killed Night 3
3. CF7 playing Hinata Hino, Town Tree Stump was lynched Day 4
12. Serious Banananananana BATMAN playing Yukiteru Amano, Town Dependant Hider was killed Night 4
Useful Links:
Day 1 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020494.html#msg1020494)
Day 1 End (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021633.html#msg1021633)
Day 2 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022036.html#msg1022036)
Day 2 End (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023343.html#msg1023343)
Day 3 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023607.html#msg1023607)
Day 3 End (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023917.html#msg1023917)
Day 4 End (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025050.html#msg1025050)
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GOD DAMNIT KILGA! Role PM'S are being randomized and sent out. Please wait to confirm until all role pm's are sent.
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confirming lack of role pm
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confirming lack of role pm
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I got my role PM. Kilga and Conq are probably scum since townies get their roles first.
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I'm just overwhelmed by the seriousness of this OP.
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Prims is probably scum for using capital letters in a game thread.
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confirming lack of role pm
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confirming lack of usefulness of locking the thread
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confirming lack of usefulness of locking the thread
+1
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Now that everyone has actually gotten their Role PM's, you may confirm in thread. Game will start when 13/14 have confirmed!
Unbolded players are unconfirmed scum!
Dormio
Conqueror
CF7
Raikaria
Nekonekorex
Kilgamayan
BT
Sereley
Zakeri
huh what jesus
Schezo
Serious Bananas
BigBangMeteor
Paperblade
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first
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confirming lack of role pm
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Confirming Yuki of Yuki pm
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confirmed
is SB's name bolded for a reason
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oh nevermind lol
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role pm confirmed
v/la until november
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Notably furious confirmation post.
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conformed
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Nyo
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No nasty language. Any slurs, swears or other nasty things will be MODIFIED BEAUTIFULLY. See This thread for examples of what your UNCOUTH posts might turn into.
Alright. We back, once a motherfucking gain
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I shall confirm that I am ready to play mafia.
And then probobly go to sleep because it's 2am Brittime.
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confirm
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confirming
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DAY 1 STARTO!
Not voting: Everyone
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 48 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130916T2345&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+1)
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##Vote: Kilga
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Got that detective's authority.
My way.
In the mafia.
##Vote: Raikaria
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##Vote: Raikaria
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'Bout Time
##Vote: Paperblade
let's haze the new guy guys
cut by wait what?
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##Vote Shadoweh
I got this.
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##Vote: Raikaria
I like this wagon
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1.1: You Are the Leading Votecount of Your Life, So Puff Out Your Vote and Post!
New Drinking Game! Take 1 shot every time someone sings 'Mirai'.
Kilgamayan (1): Conqueror
Raikaria (3): Schezo, huh what, BigBangMeteor
Paperblade (1): NekoNekoRex
Dormio (1): Dormio
Not voting: CF7, Raikaria, Kilgamayan, BT, Sereley, Zakeri, Serious Bananas, Paperblade
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 46 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130916T2345&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+1)
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I am an ascetic do not target me unless you want your action to fail
##Vote: BT
mai hazubendo
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Morning!
##Vote Kilgamayan for now.
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##Unvote:
##Vote:CF7
Next level scumpost gg
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agreed
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
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Heh. Here we go again.
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Disagreed.
##Vote Kilgamayan
mai hazubendo
This sounds painful.
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I am an ascetic do not target me unless you want your action to fail
##Vote: BT
mai hazubendo
What if I want my action to fail
##Vote: Paperblade
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Its also probably worth noting under current conditions my role is also a functional ascetic
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I am also an ascetic.
Is anybody else an ascetic?
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Whoops, re-read my role PM and realized that I am not actually an ascetic.
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Dormio (1): Dormio
Shadoweh is clearly a vote reflector, someone shoot this obvscum.
Anyway.
##Unvote
##Vote Schezo
When are you going to update monopoly?
Also, what's an ascetic?
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All actions that target the ascetic fail.
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What if I want my action to fail
##Vote: Paperblade
Then get at me
Not really sure what you mean by functional ascetic ?_?
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So many Acs... whatevers :0
Let us spread the love to those who have not had any yet.
##Vote: Serela. Or Celery. Or both.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
Scum post, because:
- why do you want to spread votes in rvs. wagons get shit done faster. that's why you had one on you
- voting confirmed town
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someone point me to the post confirming Serela as town
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Oh yeah, I should probably have mentioned I'm cop-ascetic. Not a miller, I just roleblock scans passively. Don't waste them on me.
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Then get at me
Not really sure what you mean by functional ascetic ?_?
My role isn't literally ascetic but it acts like one as long as the conditions are fulfilled
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also i'm gone for a while because stupid wedding anniversary of people i've never met and don't care about
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##Vote: CF7 omgus
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Okay no.
All non-serious claims before this post shall be withdrawn now or face consequences in the future.
#stoppingthefun
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Yeah SB, you gotta come clean about that wedding.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
Scum post, because:
- why do you want to spread votes in rvs. wagons get shit done faster. that's why you had one on you
- voting confirmed town
Silly HuhWhat. I do not want to spread votes, I want to spread love! I'm vote carries the love of us all! No-one should be left out~
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Kilgamayan, i've got the best role and you want to lynch me. Life sucks.
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Yeah SB, you gotta come clean about that wedding.
I could retrieve him and fact-check but that'd be kidnapping and no thanks.
Birdie reminds me that we have 48 hours. Kilga would you have voted CF7 without the OMGUS?
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Maybe? His was the largest wagon that wasn't mine and there's no one in this game I would joke vote for being the most likely detriment to town except for possibly Serela. But I made that post about ten minutes after I got out of bed so even I don't really know what I would have been thinking otherwise.
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Kilga, why would you vote confirmed town? :colbert:
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Serela, not CF7.
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1.2: RED Love is Vote Story
Take 1 shot every time Yuno stabs someone!
Kilgamayan (3): Conqueror, CF7, BT
Raikaria (2): BigBangMeteor, huh what
Paperblade (2): NekoNekoRex, Serious Bananas
Schezo (1): Dormio
BT (1): Paperblade
CF7 (2): Schezo, Kilgamans
Celery (1): Raikaria
Not voting: Sereley, Zakeri
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 39 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130916T2345&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+1)
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Raikaria sucks, by the way. Evasive answer + still has vote down on Confirmed Town.
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Kilga, why would you vote confirmed town? :colbert:
Because you're using capital letters. I believe I discussed this pregame.
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##Vote: Huh What
Trust issues.
I'm, like, 90% certain he's lying.
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What
Shadoweh you didn't spell my name right even one time in that votecount :C
Anyway this claiming sure does look like a Shadoweh game! Moving on >_>
HW you are not my Yuno and I want at least two feet of personal space at most times
##Vote Raikaria sheeping HW shhhhhhh don't tell
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But there's nothing to sheep to.
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Raikaria sucks, by the way. Evasive answer + still has vote down on Confirmed Town.
this is more of a reason then I see for voting anyone else and I'm too sleepy/apathetic to really try to come up with an existent reason to mostly-just-jokevote someone else
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this is more of a reason then I see for voting anyone else and I'm too sleepy/apathetic to really try to come up with an existent reason to mostly-just-jokevote someone else
I could argue that your vote which basically amounts to OMGUS is more reason than anything else, especially if you're taking Huh What's prod at an RVS vote seriously.
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Still waiting for that quote proving a confirmed town
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In fact I'll ##Vote:Huhwhat until he provides it, considering he's the only one mentioning it so far
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I think Raikaria is trying to roleplay by the way
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Uh, I haven't watched Mirai Nikki in at least a year so I'm not positive on which characters were who, on that note, so someone might want to remind me who Raikaria might be RPing.
Also I was serious about my earlier claim. Don't bother copping me, really.
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Roleplaying also doesn't excuse bad votes, just so we're clear, but I'm not sold on HW's reasoning for the Raikaria vote, for this early in the game (any later and I'd argue that spreading out the votals is bad for our time limit, but his vote wasn't even serious)
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Is he roleplaying? I don't think he was in the last post.
Anyway Raikaria: even in the event that huhwhat was 100% joking your answer back there can be seen as evasive, so Serela's explanation is fine.
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Raikaria's responses look pretty bad and overly defensive, in my opinion.
Especially when you look at his latest post.
Why does Raikaria feel the need to state that he has the potential to make a case against Serela, the person he is voting, instead of actually stating the reason?
It's like he's just trying to discredit Serela and HW at the same time in order to defend himself rather than actually reading into anything.
Also a question for Raikaria: Your vote for Serela, how serious is it at this point?
##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
For now, but I'll probably find more interesting things to be looking at tomorrow after I've actually had some sleep and stuff.
Like NekoNekoRex and how hung up he is on the town!Serela quote thing. But sleep. And other stuff.
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##Unvote, ##Vote: NekoNekoRex for tryharding (taking :colbert: seriously)
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I was going to wait and see if he was withholding opinions + parking before calling him out on that. Because it's not that bad right now.
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Which 'he'? There are multiple 'he's to which that could refer.
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NNR.
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oic
It's not unforgivable but I don't see anything more voteworthy right now.
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I could argue that your vote which basically amounts to OMGUS is more reason than anything else, especially if you're taking Huh What's prod at an RVS vote seriously.
you could but you didn't. stop being a puss.
##Unvote:
##Vote:NekoNekoRexStill waiting for that quote proving a confirmed town
like you're getting an answer. sorry no answer for you.I was going to wait and see if he was withholding opinions + parking before calling him out on that. Because it's not that bad right now.
(http://puu.sh/4rXaS.jpg)
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Is he roleplaying? I don't think he was in the last post.
Anyway Raikaria: even in the event that huhwhat was 100% joking your answer back there can be seen as evasive, so Serela's explanation is fine.
Initially I was somewhat roleplaying, and was not serious at all. I was not being evasive, I was playing around because RVS. I'll take this moment to point out Huh What ALWAYS calls me out on my RVS.
I've got more serious right now because for some bizarre reason people actually see my joking around during RVS like everyone else is a legitimate reason to vote for me. What, am I not entitled to join in RVS fun without getting actually accused? I didn't care about the actual RVS wagon, but when Serela actually jumped on Huh What's awful, not-serious case, well that was bad, and that stunk of OMGUS.
Raikaria's responses look pretty bad and overly defensive, in my opinion.
Especially when you look at his latest post.
Why does Raikaria feel the need to state that he has the potential to make a case against Serela, the person he is voting, instead of actually stating the reason?
It's like he's just trying to discredit Serela and HW at the same time in order to defend himself rather than actually reading into anything.
Also a question for Raikaria: Your vote for Serela, how serious is it at this point?
##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
For now, but I'll probably find more interesting things to be looking at tomorrow after I've actually had some sleep and stuff.
Like NekoNekoRex and how hung up he is on the town!Serela quote thing. But sleep. And other stuff.
I've only made three posts. One was RVS, the other was me messing around and 'defending' my RVS, and the third was me accusing Serela.
I'm not discrediting Huh What. I know Huh What's accusations about my Serela vote were a joke. I've had him do it enough times to my RVS.
After my 3rd post my vote on Serela went from 'jokeRVS' to 'If you seriously think Huh What is being serious with his 'case' you're just looking to start a wagon for no real reason, and otherwise your basis is really OMGUS'. Which is accompanied by the change in tone in my posts as well, which went from playful and silly to serious.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with Huh What, and the people pushing him should stop, he was just messing around in RVS. The issue is Serela took his RVS messing around that he always does seriously.
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Also if it wasn't for Serela completely over-reacting/attempting to start a bad wagon/OMGUS, I would have certainly swapped my vote by now to someone else who hadn't had a vote yet, to continue my playfulness combined with reaction testing to votes, and how other people reacted to them, during the RVS period.
That said, if not for Serela's reaction, we'd probobly still be *in* RVS.
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Also it's amusing to see how many people think my 3rd post wasn't me argueing or making a case on Serela due to the wording. That post was me accusing Serela of an OMGUS vote on me, and thus saying 'You could argue that's the best reason to vote anyone so far' in jest at Serela's reasoning.
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Hm. I don't like HW posts, as he keeps insisting that Serela is confirmed town, where i can't see how Serela can be confirmed town at D1. Raikaria posts are weird, but he was like that in Potato mafia. Still weird. And Schezo just sort of irks me because of his avatar. Can't help it. =)
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the other was me messing around and 'defending' my RVS
Just going to get it out there that this, in its own right, is pretty bad too.
Why bother messing around and wasting time, thereby attempting to extend the RVS, when you have something proper to respond to?
Also, are we supposed to think that you stating that you would have been throwing your vote to the most useless places is meant to somehow be a townie activity?
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Raikaria: "I was messing around in RVS can't I have fun? Zakeri you better not be RVS voting HW you sunuvabitch!"
Also it's amusing to see how many people think my 3rd post wasn't me argueing or making a case on Serela due to the wording. That post was me accusing Serela of an OMGUS vote on me, and thus saying 'You could argue that's the best reason to vote anyone so far' in jest at Serela's reasoning.
say what you actually mean and people won't misinterpret what you mean.
I'll eat you CF7
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But I explained exactly why Serela's vote is okay. Instead of addressing my post that you linked, you insist that he's taking a jokevote seriously when his explanation shows you that it's not that serious in the first place.
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In essence right now you're blowing things out of proportion, both Serela's vote and people's response to your play.
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with Huh What, and the people pushing him should stop,
I understand your point of view, but I would like a statement from Huh What before deciding on this.
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Sorry, i'm not entirely here, have to monitor my own game, plus usually i have trouble concentrating on so many people at once. And tho i don't like OMGUS votes much, they're forced and defensive, Kilgamayan is probably town. But i guess time will tell.
##unvote
##Vote HW. Unless he can explain how Serela is a confirmed town.
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asfgafga why do I always lose my points on the last line
##Unvote, ##Vote: Dormio
Voting Raikaria for saying "I could argue" instead of "I argue" is really semantic and a sort of lame reason for a vote. Also while Raikaria has become sort of overdefensive now, he hadn't really at the time of your vote. You also don't really comment on the validity of what you perceive as Raikaria's pseudo-case against Serela.
BT- do you find Raikaria scummy? Also, why are you still holding an RVS vote on Kilga when you've been pushing Raikaria for the last page?
I don't really find Raikaria's initial vote that bad because when I first read through the thread, I also thought that Serela's vote was serious. It took a second glance for me to see that he specifically says that he couldn't find a better reason for a joke-vote. Now that this has been pointed out though, Raikaria should reconsider his vote.
People voting Prims are sort of lame when it was clearly a joke thing. NNR's is probably the worst because he knows how Prims plays the best, and should know that it's just a joke. Also he's stated that he's waiting for Prims to give an answer like 2-3 times rather than give any opinions on anything else.
CF7- why is Kilga town if you don't like OMGUS votes? Seems contradictory. Also if your Kilga townread isn't even that strong, as evidenced by the fact that you say "time will tell" right after, why mention it? Plus Prims vote.
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Just going to get it out there that this, in its own right, is pretty bad too.
Why bother messing around and wasting time, thereby attempting to extend the RVS, when you have something proper to respond to?
Also, are we supposed to think that you stating that you would have been throwing your vote to the most useless places is meant to somehow be a townie activity?
It appears people missed the 'reaction testing' part of my post. By throwing votes around early you can see how people react to being voted, and, just as importantly, how other people react to that person being voted. I just chose Serela first. I had reason and rhyme as to my madness, Dormio. And again, why am I being singled out for RVS shenanigans? Am I not allowed to play?
My original plan was to hop around the people who hadn't been voted during RVS, but then Serela jumped on HW's usual antics in a way which made red lights flash in my head.
Maybe I am over-reacting to Serela's vote somewhat, but when don't I over-react somewhat to the inevitable wagon on me ED1?
And I'm a derp, Huh What throwing around that Serela is 'confirmed town' is silly. I retract my statement about there being no real reason to vote him, but I personally do not see him vote-worthy.
Would kinda like some input from Serela on this whole topic before I decide what to do with my vote.
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CHOO CHOO.
BBM, of course I'llbe defensive when I'm the wagon being focused on :V. The fact people push me, then I defend myself, and then people use that as a reason why I'm scum is a huge fallacy and silly anyway. What do they expect to happen, me to give reasons why to lynch me?
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It's like 2AM but I still have summaries to write. Why do I do this to myself?
RE: BBM,
I don't know about you, but deflection and attempting to discredit somebody that's attacking you for using the logic of a different person that's attacking you seems like an overly defensive reaction to me.
Anyway, sleep.
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It appears people missed the 'reaction testing' part of my post. By throwing votes around early you can see how people react to being voted, and, just as importantly, how other people react to that person being voted. I just chose Serela first. I had reason and rhyme as to my madness, Dormio. And again, why am I being singled out for RVS shenanigans? Am I not allowed to play?
>Implying votes that will change every other post are significant enough to provoke any sort of reaction.
You're being singled out because your actions are the most striking to me.
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@Raikaria- There are scummy ways to defend oneself. Blowing relatively small things out of proportion is one of them. Also, if you don't see him as vote-worthy, why do retract the statement as to there being no real reason to vote for him?
@Dormio- Where's the deflection? Also, if Person A votes Person B for RVS purposes and then Person C jumps in to also vote Person B for the same reason as Person A, except doing it in serious modo, isn't that scummy? Of course, in this case, Person C was also joking, but if he hadn't been, voting them for that isn't overdefensive I don't think.
Meh, not sure about Raikaria right now. His use of self-meta is lame. Self-meta should only be used in defence against a meta argument.
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It's 2:15 AM and I just finished writing 2720 words for my summaries but let's see if my brain is working well enough for me to remember my original thoughts process.
Basically, Raikaria dismisses Serela's vote as being nothing more than OMGUS. By discrediting Serela as being someone that is engaging in OMGUS, he simultaneously discredits HW by association. Or something to that effect.
Raikaria's latest posts don't help him one bit either.
But whatever, I'm going to sleep now. Later.
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BBM to answer both your questions I'm in the process of establishing an opinion here.
Serela looking weird from your perspective at first is understandable. But we're over that. Why do you need input from Serela now? Are what BBM and I pointed out not enough?
(correction @BBM: Serela wasn't jokevoting but at the same time it was 'the best thing around' and that's reasonable from his POV because Prims' points had some appeal to them, serious or not)
You know, Raikaria, you weren't the focus of things when this started. NNR was. You created this scenario yourself. You refer to HW's push 'the normal thing' when people can and HAVE seen them as more than that. I also don't understand why you present things like you're being attacked for having fun in RVS instead of addressing the points people bring up against you.
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And again, why am I being singled out for RVS shenanigans? Am I not allowed to play?
This makes me want to vote for you. I don't buy the case against you as presented but this a weaselly way to counterargue.
Still content with my vote on NNR though. Would totally vote for CF7 for the same reason, especially since his opinion of Raikaria is a non-opinion (as much as I appreciate the unvote of confidence). Actually that makes him slightly worse than NNR, so!
##Unvote, ##Vote: CF7
Cut by BT. How was NNR the focus of anything when 'this' started? AFAICT I was the only one that paid him serious mind until Schezo also voted for him later. Can you give me a time frane so I know where 'this' begins?
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http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020692.html#msg1020692
Before this post. Actually wait. For some reason I thought it was just "jokevote" HW and Serela at the time so NNR looked like a more serious development. Whatever.
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Well it's not as contradictory. Kilgamayan said that he was half asleep and he might have not OMGUS'ed me if he was more awake at that moment. So probably was um... "decision made under influence" Something like that. Anyway, waiting for HW. Still Raikaria self-concsious reaction doesn't look good.
And since we're overlooking some jokevotes and not others i'd say i'll keep my vote for now.
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Serela words it as "the best reason around for a joke-vote". I guess we should just wait for Serela to come and clarify that.
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BBM to answer both your questions I'm in the process of establishing an opinion here.
Serela looking weird from your perspective at first is understandable. But we're over that. Why do you need input from Serela now? Are what BBM and I pointed out not enough?
It is enough for me to reconsider. However, I would still want to see Serela's input into this, as it relates to Serela. Then I will decide what I should do from there.
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Basically it's enough for me to reconsider, but I'm not sure where to, and I would rather decide what to do when all parts of the group involved have had a say, and seeing as Serela is pretty central to this whole discussion... yeah. I'd rather Serela add something before I make up my mind on where to go. I'd rather all parts of the picture are painted, and Serela's PoV on things would be nice to know.
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I could retrieve him and fact-check but that'd be kidnapping and no thanks.
bt claimed kidnapper lynch the scum
just got back, post incoming
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I don't see Prims' "Serela is confirmed town" stuff as scummy at all.
Dislike the string of posts from NNR starting at #70. Basically they go
-Waiting on Prims still.
-Actually I'm gonna vote him for it to look like I'm doing something.
-Raikaria is probably roleplaying
-idk who he's roleplaying as, also my claims is seious
-Roleplaying doesn't excuse bad votes but Prims' reasons for voting Raikaria aren't great this early in the game, even though earlygame is when people usually have weaker voting reasons? Feels like he realizes he was defending Rai and then stopped.
Raikaria feels like he's just victimizing himself a lot and using self meta to try and help himself out isn't really helping his case. Also in his next post it feels like he waffles on Serela a bit, in the previous he says Serela's actions are scummy but then says this "That said, if not for Serela's reaction, we'd probobly still be *in* RVS." which implies that Serela doing this was helpful and makes him appear town. I also feel like he's going out of his way to avoid dropping his vote and getting associated with any wagon, which is pretty bad.
CF7's Prims suspicions are really bad, like, really. Why is calling someone confirmed town in RVS scummy? This goes for NNR too. CF7 also calls Raikaria "weird" which isn't actually a read in the first place but he still manages to waffle on it by saying "but Raikaria was weird last game too".
I also really dislike Zak. I feel like he's flying completely under the radar and is coasting hard. His two posts are "I don't trust Prims, I think he's lying" when he was most likely screwing around in RVS, and "I want Prims to talk before I decide" while completely ignoring the rest of the game.
##Unvote
##Vote: Zak
Scumreads go Zak>Raikaria>NNR>CF7 atm.
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Raikaria is overreacting
But overreacting is Raikaria.
I don't really see how pursuing Raikaria with the information we have now will advanced Town agenda, unless it's reaction gathering.
For the record, my reaction is "this is kind of useless".
I don't see Prims' "Serela is confirmed town" stuff as scummy at all.
I do.
He's either Casually lying, or blantantly lying, and until he comes to clarify which I don't intend to move my vote haphazardly.
Even worse, he does so in a way that confused others (more specifically, NNR) and rather than respond to inquiry he just moved on and then left. Not even a "I can't explain why" or a "It's not in his posts."
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Buh, i'm taking day 1 seriously, i'm scum, i'm NOT taking day 1 seriously i'm still scum. Oh, well.
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"That said, if not for Serela's reaction, we'd probobly still be *in* RVS." which implies that Serela doing this was helpful and makes him appear town.
Actually I'm saying if I hadn't made a big deal of Serela's reaction we'd probobly still be in RVS. Serela's reaction itself wouldn't have made RVS end.
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dayum. that's a lot of people you're willing to lynch based on minimal content SB. The points on NNR are a lot stronger than the bullshit Raikaria is pulling though.
Buh, i'm taking day 1 seriously, i'm scum, i'm NOT taking day 1 seriously i'm still scum. Oh, well.
be scum 7 times in a row so you know what works and what doesn't. very fine line.
NNR still a thing stop ignoring him.
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People voting Prims are sort of lame when it was clearly a joke thing. NNR's is probably the worst because he knows how Prims plays the best, and should know that it's just a joke. Also he's stated that he's waiting for Prims to give an answer like 2-3 times rather than give any opinions on anything else.
I tend to take claims seriously no matter who is making them, unless they're explicitly silly. You may notice I reacted to Schezo's first post because I briefly thought it was a cop claim or something.
Anyways I guess I missed the memo where :colbert: automatically invalidates all of the past user's posts as serious. Let me get some more up to date opinions.
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Schezo telling people to look at NNR and not taking a more active part in the discussion. Meh.
Raikaria can you dump some of your thoughts on other players anyway?
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##Unvote Kilga
BBM I don't really understand your Dormio vote at this point.
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I disagree with 48 Hour D1 philosophy because the second 24 hours of the game always has the crunchy posts you can rely on for content, being the aftermath of everyone getting out of OMGUS and blindly hunting for scum. The 3rd 24 hours is pure scumhunting based on that content, imo.
High time I ##unvote anyway because whether or not I'm getting an answer to the 'joke', it's still a toxic vote to be sitting on.
Guess I'll start off with Raikaria. Pretty obvious, but he's fallen into a pit trap where he's only defending himself (and doing it badly) and not hunting scum . He should do what I do and kill two birds with one stone by attacking his attackers. (WARNING: This is a bad idea and I'm bad for both doing and suggesting it). In all seriousness, though, who do you actually think is scummy at this point, Raikaria? This post seems the most noteworthy because it also has backtracking in it. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020722.html#msg1020722) Lean scum until he can put out some non-defensive content.
PREEDIT: Actually, I think it's pretty bad about how he just plays "wait and see" here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020739.html#msg1020739) and vanishes from the thread. ##Vote: Raikaria until he can actually come up with some scumreads, seriously.
BBM looks kinda town atm. I like his approach and third-party stance on the Raikaria thing, and his Dormio back and forth looks like pretty genuine town prodding.
Not much else to comment on. Zak needs some scumreads too, it won't do anyone good for him to just park on HW without anything on the 11 other players that aren't HW or Raikaria. Similar thoughts on Schezo.
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Buh, i'm taking day 1 seriously, i'm scum, i'm NOT taking day 1 seriously i'm still scum. Oh, well.
This has nothing to do with anything and is just as weaselly as the Raikaria line I pointed out earlier.
Anyways I guess I missed the memo where :colbert: automatically invalidates all of the past user's posts as serious
It was originally created to denote mock seriousness. You could have also observed my response to the post that used it (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020635.html#msg1020635), particularly since it was addressed to me.
Schezo telling people to look at NNR and not taking a more active part in the discussion. Meh.
He's already voting for NNR, what more do you want? At least we know who he thinks is scum. Here's a list of people you think are scum:
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It was originally created to denote mock seriousness. You could have also observed my response to the post that used it (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020635.html#msg1020635), particularly since it was addressed to me.
The meaning behind that post flew over my head as well, I'll be honest.
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It's a reference to this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020402.html#msg1020402) and this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020404.html#msg1020404).
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IDK I just don't like Dormio's Raikaria vote and explanations about it. There is scummy stuff that Raikaria has been doing, but the things that Dormio is choosing to go after are weak and/or seem really semantic in nature. He doesn't really have anything else either.
NNR- what do you think about Dormio? Saying I'm kind of townie for that exchange and then not really giving your opinions on it is ;/
Does the countdown customize itself to your own city/timezone or does Shadoweh live in the same city as me?
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I don't think it would have made much difference if I had connected the dots or not, anyway. *shrug*
IDK I just don't like Dormio's Raikaria vote and explanations about it. There is scummy stuff that Raikaria has been doing, but the things that Dormio is choosing to go after are weak and/or seem really semantic in nature. He doesn't really have anything else either.
NNR- what do you think about Dormio? Saying I'm kind of townie for that exchange and then not really giving your opinions on it is ;//I personally don't have much opinion on him, his vote doesn't strike me as particularly scummy or town, but I thought your thought process behind the vote/posts don't have scum intent. Plus your vote isn't just a bandwagon hop which is interesting.
Does the countdown customize itself to your own city/timezone or does Shadoweh live in the same city as me?
The latter. Countdown is the same for everyone.
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I finished my post and went "hey, cool, time to drop some mad logic on these scums" but then I realized I had two pages left.
FORNICATE this het earth.
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He's already voting for NNR, what more do you want? At least we know who he thinks is scum. Here's a list of people you think are scum:
More substance? Dunno what he thinks he can accomplish by pointing at NNR a second time and adding nothing. The comments on Raikaria and CF7 are void of a clear stance and it's dubious why they're there at all. I don't know what % of this is being deliberately short on involvement and what % is just playstyle which is why I stopped there.
I can give you a list of votes I'd feel very bad with. It's too big. Though I'll try expanding on things later.
BBM: I ask because the way I see it is that he was just bothered by Raikaria's roundabout / awkward way of showing suspicion and drew his conclusions from there. Only that none of this is new for Raikaria, but I couldn't fault him for putting his vote there at the time.
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It's 2:15 AM and I just finished writing 2720 words for my summaries but let's see if my brain is working well enough for me to remember my original thoughts process.
Basically, Raikaria dismisses Serela's vote as being nothing more than OMGUS. By discrediting Serela as being someone that is engaging in OMGUS, he simultaneously discredits HW by association. Or something to that effect.
Raikaria's latest posts don't help him one bit either.
But whatever, I'm going to sleep now. Later.
How does discrediting Serela discredit Prims? In fact, I don't really remember what Prims has done other than jokingly say Serela is town, so what is there to discredit ?_?
Rai's posts are pretty dumb but I feel like you're trying to jump on someone who's being silly rather than someone who's scummy
##Unvote, ##Vote: Yoshino
I'm also not too fond of CF7's casual vote on Prims
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Okay phew the second page was just one post.
Because you're using capital letters. I believe I discussed this pregame.
This is Shadoweh's game and I want to pay my Utmost Respect to the mod.
Even if Serela wasn't Confirmed Town, I would think his reaction to me calling him such is pretty town!Serela. Zak's explanation for this being scummy is bad because he fails to consider that I could be saying it because Serela really is Confirmed Town, which is true. Also, the arguments for Weird ED1 Shit having scum intent at this point in the day are stretching it imo. Either way, quit using this as an excuse to coast and not scumhunt.
The fact that Raikaria seems to believe my vote on him wasn't serious (it was, just ED1 serious) makes me think his evasive response wasn't scummy, just dicking around. Neutral read right now. Serela is town, though, so get a better vote.
NNR's first vote was bad. What's the scum intent in calling somebody Confirmed Town? My vote was fine for ED1 and NNR ignored that I only kept it due to Raikaria having an evasive response when criticizing it. Looks really graspy. Unvoting because it's a "toxic vote to sit on" is reallllly sleazy and reeks of scum not wanting to be targeted for their bad logic; town's scumreads don't change because people find them scummy.
##Unvote
##Vote: NekoRex
Schezo's first post rubs me the wrong way. It's concise to the point of being meaningless. Step it up. Page 4 posts are a bit better but I still feel like he's using brevity as an excuse to not really contribute much?
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Kilga, why vote CF7 over BT at this point?
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:o we should meet up some time Shadoweh
Add what Paperblade said to my Dormio vote, it's a good one that I noticed earlier and forgot to point out.
@BT- Most of your content so far has consisted of pushing Raikaria, except you're saying that this stuff is apparently his MO. So then why are you pushing him so much about it? The fact that you've been one of the most active players and still haven't committed to a read disturbs me.
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I agree BT and Dormio are bad, by the way. Just don't really have anything to add there and find NNR worse.
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huhwhat your vote assumes that NNR thought you were scum. Pretty sure he just wanted a clarification.
BBM at first I wasn't really pressing him but trying to get his head out of the gutter if town. Think I became slightly concerned here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020730.html#msg1020730). The bottom line is that there is no solid stance. I'm looking elsewhere.
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Well he was kind of voting me, so.
Also, this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020676.html#msg1020676) looks for reasons to pick at my content, which he should have no reason to do if he just wants a clarification.
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"I disagree with this reasoning" =/= "this reasoning is scummy"
and there's no signs of him thinking the latter.
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And the vote wasn't a sign.
If he felt -bothered- by your content he probably would have said it otherwise or linked it in some way to the vote, in that post it just looks like he's mentioning it because he's talking about Raikaria.
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If you just need someone to clarify something, you don't need to vote them. And if NNR held down that Prims vote for that long when he didn't even find him scummy, that's even worse.
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Yeah and also why do you want to defend NNR so much? :/
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Thing is BT, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020831.html#msg1020831) NNR had yet to post when I still found him the best subject to stab with a vote.
Still is. Going to parrot HW in saying that blank unvote is the worst thing to happen all day and you should all get in on this because it gonna be gud.
Because I'm sorry I don't need 86 scumreads day 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020813.html#msg1020813). I have one very clear telegraphed one, don't call me out on not having reads NNR.
You and BT can fight me.
I don't know why BT thinks this wasn't an attack (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020676.html#msg1020676) but hey it is.
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If you just need someone to clarify something, you don't need to vote them. And if NNR held down that Prims vote for that long when he didn't even find him scummy, that's even worse.
Not something I haven't seen before. "this is something v important and i will persistently press for answer". Happened in some other game for sure but don't remember which. Though in this case there wasn't too much to vote at the time and then he got rid of the vote once he found something else.
Yeah and also why do you want to defend NNR so much? :/
Not defending. Think your vote's flawed.
Don't know what else to say. "but this was totally an attack" isn't such a great rhetoric when I actually said why I think otherwise.
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Going to parrot HW in saying that blank unvote is the worst thing to happen all day
I don't remember saying this though.
Explain priorities between BT/NNR?
BT: If NNR is town then he can explain his thought process to defend himself. In fact he can probably do it better than you can since he wrote the posts, so why are you bothering?
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>Everyone says it's a joke
>Vote me for taking the "joke" seriously
>Now it's not a joke
>Vote me for accepting it was a joke
god damn everything
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Raikaria, stop being defeatist and assuming you're always going to be wagoned D1. It's beyond infuriating to read and the resulting unreadable mess it creates is always the same.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure I've read all this before and the reasons for voting Raikaria are basically the same as always. People vote Raikaria --> Raikaria says something silly and defends his posting --> People vote him for backtracking/superdefensiveness/self-meta whatever. Anyway not really enthused by the wagon since it looks like the same thing as in Town Mafia before I replaced into Raikaria's slot. I want everyone voting for Raikaria or thinking about voting him to say why this is more likely to come from town!Raikaria than scum!Raikaria. I can't parse Dormio's argument and NNR's vote on Raikaria is a bit of a misrep/misunderstanding since Raikaria actually does say he's pushing Serela for ~*gut*~ if not anything else.
Zak's explanation for this being scummy is bad because he fails to consider that I could be saying it because Serela really is Confirmed Town, which is true. Also, the arguments for Weird ED1 Shit having scum intent at this point in the day are stretching it imo. Either way, quit using this as an excuse to coast and not scumhunt.
Agree with this, and to add to that I see Zak pushing huhwhat on the "confirmed town" point as an obvious votepark. I mean, what answer to that would have been satisfactory? Either huhwhat says "I'm joking" and the entire exercise was pretty much a waste of time or we get some sort of early roleclaim/role crumb whatever.
He's either Casually lying, or blantantly lying, and until he comes to clarify which I don't intend to move my vote haphazardly.
Why does it matter if you're already decided it's a lie?
Don't like he just brushes off the entire Raikaria situation either, since it looks like he's dismissing it but still leaving all the people involved to slapfight each other.
##Vote: Zakeri
BT, why are you so limp? Defending people is cool and all that, but, uh, who do you think is scum?
Schezo, I don't even know why you're voting NNR from reading your posts so the fact that you're calling your NNR stance "clearly telegraphed" is pretty blatant posturing.
Buh, i'm taking day 1 seriously, i'm scum, i'm NOT taking day 1 seriously i'm still scum. Oh, well.
This reads as frustration but it doesn't feel like town frustration given the lack of pressure on him? I don't know how to put it. Wanna see more from CF7 because he seems more passive than what I saw from skimming the previous game.
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Yeah no, screw this
##Vote: Prims
There's no proof in the pudding, Last time you claimed "confirmed town" with somebody with no good reason, it's because you weren't and also you were scum.
Also, if you're going to blatantly ignore me when I ask for proof (twice now), then you're going to get a negative response.
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lol
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##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
Cool wagon for cool dudes, also coasting is bad.
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Can we just stop talking about this "confirmed town" business because it's not even relevant anymore.
fuck my connection, cut three times
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Conq, why are you posting like you do when you're scum? :(
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. Unvoting because it's a "toxic vote to sit on" is reallllly sleazy and reeks of scum not wanting to be targeted for their bad logic; town's scumreads don't change because people find them scummy.
I interpret this "really sleazy" as blank because you know it is.
NNR > BT because while BT isn't doing anything since I don't know who his scumreads are. The NNR unvote is bad.
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Oh I thought you meant BT's empty unvote. Nevermind.
Thoughts on NNR's recent posts? I can imagine him being legitimately frustrated in this situation as town.
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Conq, why are you posting like you do when you're scum? :(
Screw you I'm obvtown (well, not yet, but I should be pretty soon).
Schezo, why were you voting NNR in the first place?
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As town you converse w/ people more directly instead of just commenting on everything. But maybe this is just because it's early in the day.
Ill take you're word for it :>
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Why is my Prims unvote 'blank' anyway? If it's a jokevote and he hasn't posted at all, why do I need a reason to unvote him, Schezo?
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BT: If NNR is town then he can explain his thought process to defend himself. In fact he can probably do it better than you can since he wrote the posts, so why are you bothering?
It's probably because I saw the vote and thought "hey, this is wrong" and proceeded to interrogate. Eh I probably went through with it because I was sufficiently confident that I'm right.
Speaking of which I don't know what to do with you. Can't even tell if you'd be more cooperative as town or scum. But I'm pretty sure you read into his vote the wrong way and that's probably not alignment indicative.
BT, why are you so limp? Defending people is cool and all that, but, uh, who do you think is scum?
At this point I'll conclude that I'm a brick in this game.
I mean it's not that I haven't presented any arguments, I'm just stupid.
it's a jokevote
uh
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020671.html#msg1020671
this?
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What's that supposed to mean, BT
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Oh
I mean Prim's vote, not mine. I haven't done any jokevotes since I voted Paper
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HW isn't cool. Wagon can't be cool.
NNR's vote right now looks reactionary rageness. He doesn't have to do it now but I would prefer he get a vote soon about something other than that ED1 joke.
Initial vote on NNR was from those 5 posts that were bad and took ED1 joke serious. Although now he claims 71 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020670.html#msg1020670) and friends was a joke even though it looked serious so it's like: hrr drr?
Because I thought you wanted to get something out of the joke so you pressure with a vote but then decide to just unvote for no reason since he didn't show up and Raikaria was suddenly more important it's just. meh???
I haven't done any jokevotes since I voted Paper
Oh so it was serious. So like fuck dude why did you unvote a serious vote?
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Rather I mean the reason I voted him was over his "Serela is town" joke not a joke joke at the time joke, I it was a joke [when I unvoted him] then I shouldn't need a reason to unvote him.
Oh so it was serious. So like fuck dude why did you unvote a serious vote?
BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS TELLING ME I WAS TAKING A JOKE POST SERIOUSLY
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i think you should reread the first line of that last post NNR
because you WERE taking a jokepost seriously
What is the issue, I don't understand. Why are you voting Prims?
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i think you should reread the first line of that last post NNR
because you WERE taking a jokepost seriously
What is the issue, I don't understand. Why are you voting Prims?
because Serela really is Confirmed Town, which is true.
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He doesn't have to do it now but I would prefer he get a vote soon about something other than that ED1 joke.
Did you people miss my Raikaria vote or something
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Why is my Prims unvote 'blank' anyway? If it's a jokevote and he hasn't posted at all, why do I need a reason to unvote him, Schezo?
it being your vote right? I'd rather you stick to saying that 71 was serious and you messed up than doing this OP joke wasn't a joke stuff.
Whatever, make a new case since your current one on HW is bad.
because he fails to consider that I could be saying it because Serela really is Confirmed Town, which is true.
Because this reading comprehension on HW's townread is next fucking level.
Voting Prims (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020881.html#msg1020881)
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Someone tell me if Raikaria is supposed to be allegedly confirmed town or not, and if so, how?
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Raikaria isn't confirmed town. HW is saying Serela is as a joke.
You're currently voting HW. I think you want to vote Raikraria?
???
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Raikaria isn't confirmed town. HW is saying Serela is as a joke.
You're currently voting HW. I think you want to vote Raikraria?
???
*Serela, sorry. I am asking if HW is still joking or not about the confirmed town thing
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sleeping now, will content in the morning/after i get back from school
all i'm gonna say now is that zak coming back and posting really quickly after i prodded him is kind of suspicious, and the post itself provided no more reads other than a null on raik
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Confirming that Serela is Confirmed Town.
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How
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Why do you need to know? :)
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More substance? Dunno what he thinks he can accomplish by pointing at NNR a second time and adding nothing.
To remind people the case exists? I'd much rather have what Schezo did that someone that makes a case and then lets everyone else ignore it.
The comments on Raikaria and CF7 are void of a clear stance and it's dubious why they're there at all. I don't know what % of this is being deliberately short on involvement and what % is just playstyle which is why I stopped there.
I can't speak for his CF7 comment but I would guess that he commented on Raikaria because Raikaria was the prevalent subject at the time, and his stance on Raikaria relative to NNR is pretty clear.
I can give you a list of votes I'd feel very bad with. It's too big. Though I'll try expanding on things later.
That's not what I implied I wanted to see, though.
Kilga, why vote CF7 over BT at this point?
CF7's vote for you was bad and his reaction to being called on it was worse. BT's bad too but there's a small part of me that wonders what scum has to gain by not bullshitting a reason to vote for someone seriously by now. It's not like there's a lack of seemingly-reasonable reasons to vote for several of the game's players. I would vote for him if I had a second vote, but I only have one and that small wurgle of doubt is present.
I'm kind of curious why you didn't discuss CF7 at all in the post where you voted for NNR if you were going to ask me about him.
I'm having the damned time trying to follow Schezo's continued pursuit of NNR because it now seems to be founded on misinterpreted things. Schezo, can you provide something like a bulleted list of every reason you're voting NNR other than the very first one (which I did at least understand consider I did the same thing at the time)?
Cut: Prims, quit being a RUTABAGA and antagonizing other players.
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It was a serious post, though? He really does not need to know why Serela is Confirmed Town and shouldn't be getting caught up on that; it's not like he has to consider Serela Confirmed Town if he ignores me, even though Serela is Confirmed Town. I do think the fact that he is getting caught up on it is more town than not, though, which is one reason I'm off that wagon now.
I don't really find CF7 interesting as is; none of his posts jump out at me as out of the ordinary for a newb.
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I'm having the damned time trying to follow Schezo's continued pursuit of NNR because it now seems to be founded on misinterpreted things. Schezo, can you provide something like a bulleted list of every reason you're voting NNR other than the very first one (which I did at least understand consider I did the same thing at the time)?
I'm just seeing where he's going with this shit vote on HW since I want him to drop it. I will say he's looking p town right now though I wanted to have him make a new post about something else because of how bad the HW vote is.
Anyways. ##Unvote: I need to reread
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I know the post was serious, but moderator me has seen that smiley attached to posts of that tone often enough to know precisely why it gets included.
You're giving CF7 the newb label in the wake of Popcorn Redux? I would think you of all people wouldn't be so quick to brush him off after that game.
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Schezo why are you blank unvoting <_<
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Because I don't like my vote on NNR anymore and want to see which is best.
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He had a slow start in that game too and was an easy target until there was a scumflip and then he stepped up his game. Not really sure how that applies. I'll definitely reconsider my neutral read once he gives more to work with but right now I'm not super concerned about him.
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Okay so
Serela isn't confirmed town, HW just thinks he is for some role-related reason. Not "confirmed" by any stretch, but I can live with that. For now.
I think I'm going to go back to my ##Vote: Raikaria until he stops being derpy or I notice someone I like less.
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OK I'm weak and need sleep but some stuff's going down. Serela still hasn't posted like I was waiting for but I feel like I shouldn't just sit by and wait for what I want to happen to happen anymore.
Things may be in random orders because it's as I think of them and it's 1am and aaaaah.
Also probobly will be more tomorrow.
HuhWhat: OK, whereas before I didn't see you as much of a problem, this whole 'Serela is confirmed town' and things like saying Conq is posting like he's scum without explaining it is starting to make you look bad in my eyes.
On the topic of Conq, his wall of text stood out to my sleepy mind:
Raikaria, stop being defeatist and assuming you're always going to be wagoned D1. It's beyond infuriating to read and the resulting unreadable mess it creates is always the same.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure I've read all this before and the reasons for voting Raikaria are basically the same as always. People vote Raikaria --> Raikaria says something silly and defends his posting --> People vote him for backtracking/superdefensiveness/self-meta whatever. Anyway not really enthused by the wagon since it looks like the same thing as in Town Mafia before I replaced into Raikaria's slot. I want everyone voting for Raikaria or thinking about voting him to say why this is more likely to come from town!Raikaria than scum!Raikaria. I can't parse Dormio's argument and NNR's vote on Raikaria is a bit of a misrep/misunderstanding since Raikaria actually does say he's pushing Serela for ~*gut*~ if not anything else.
Wait, so you tell me off for complaining about the ED1 wagons that always happen to me, and how this wagon is pretty baseless, and then go on to say 'People are doing the same as always' and 'It's a bad wagon'. What.
Well then my complains/pointing out this always happens is pretty valid. And as I said before, it's a vicious circle. I can't go on the offense with such low content, which forces me to defend the wagon, which then gets used against me <_<
Ugh, my mind isn't thinking too solidly right now. I'll unvote for now because I don't see any real reason to vote for Serela anymore except for Lurkscum, but my mind is too sleepy to decide where to put my vote. I'll do the rest of this tomorrow after SLEEP. I especially want to look at all this stuff around NNR which my mind is too ZZZZZ to make sense of.
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I would have voted HuhWhat but I think he has a fair few votes and I'm still not sure if he's just being annoying Huh What or if he's scummy. It's a thin line with him.
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People who make empty unvotes and say "I'll read tomorrow" in a 48 hour day phase should be banned from mafia imhotep
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Also I dunno why people think that me parading around Serela being Confirmed Town is scummy; there's not really any intent there unless you want to make buddy theories on D1, in which case lol.
Questioning Conq was because I wanted to see what he'd say and though he'd just go "well you're dumb" if I explained it.
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I don't like how CF7 latches onto NNR's reasoning for voting HW.
It's like he's just jumping onto anything that sounds reasonable without bothering to actively search for scum on his own. Or something.
Also, #109 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020772.html#msg1020772) looks like little more than some appeal to emotion.
And nothing Raikaria is saying is really changing my opinion that he's interested only in keeping himself alive, so yeah.
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Yeah, I'll get to this later I think.
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People who make empty unvotes and say "I'll read tomorrow" in a 48 hour day phase should be banned from mafia imhotep
ban me gg wp
Raikaria will be one of those "detriment to the town lynches" and probably flip town. Whooo hoo.
Of the people actually running their mouths I don't think anyone is scum over the lurkers. BT is excluded for not saying anything other than defense of NNR.
If Zakeri actually posted I wouldn't really have a problem with him since I agree with his point on Raikaria being the lynch today just because "Raikaria D1"
Dormio is shamelessly living 50 posts which is just okie dokie chap.
Serela's pulling a Serela and lurking day 1 out but is ~Confirmed town~ tm so I'll leave that be.
I like CF7 as the lurker to vote most though. Since Dormio's shamelessness makes it a little better in how I feel about him.
##Vote: CF7
Votecounts own. mods? MODS???
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1.2a: unofficial player votecount
Take 1 shot every time Shadoweh makes a votecount!
Raikaria (3): Serela, Dormio, NNR
Huh What (2): Zakeri, CF7
Dormio (2): BigBangMeteor, Paperblades
CF7 (2): Kilga, Schezo
Zakeri (3): Serious Bananas, Conq, HW
Not voting: BT, Raikaria
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 26 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130916T2345&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+1)
Ahaha this votecount owns.
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Probably because there's mistakes in it.
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He had a slow start in that game too and was an easy target until there was a scumflip and then he stepped up his game. Not really sure how that applies. I'll definitely reconsider my neutral read once he gives more to work with but right now I'm not super concerned about him.
I guess it's just a difference of opinion of how much "news" leash he should get. Whatever, not a huge deal anyway.
I am unimpressed with Dormio deciding the best response to people starting to turn their heads his way is to parrot my CF7 case and add nothing meaningful to his Raikaria case despite the glut of new content.
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*news = newb
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Quiet, Kilga, I'm adding to my thoughts on the newer Raikaria content as we speak.
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Though I guess technically we're not actually speaking so maybe I'm not doing anything at all.
Anyway, back to typing.
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This game where I have to actually type words is hard.
Even so, my opinion of Raikaria is unchanging. To sum my thoughts so far, I'll write a few more words from the top.
Raikaria's first set of actions are to vote someone randomly, then to defend his actions as being random. Raikaria later explains it with:
I would have certainly swapped my vote by now to someone else who hadn't had a vote yet, to continue my playfulness combined with reaction testing to votes, and how other people reacted to them, during the RVS period.
My original plan was to hop around the people who hadn't been voted during RVS
I asked a question earlier to Raikaria so as to how he expects votes thrown around frequently under the guise of RVS would pressure anyone at all, which Raikaria has yet to answer.
In addition to this, we can look at things like:
That said, if not for Serela's reaction, we'd probobly still be *in* RVS.
Which indicates a strong desire from Raikaria to associate himself with having ended RVS.
This is a natural course of action, if you're looking to defend yourself, since ending RVS is an admirable action meant to forward the game and create meaningful discussion that will help us to catch the scums.
However, I feel that Raikaria's words are contradictory with his earlier actions. These, to be precise:
Silly HuhWhat. I do not want to spread votes, I want to spread love! I'm vote carries the love of us all! No-one should be left out~
It's like, what the hell is this? To me, this looks more like an attempt to extend the RVS, rather than ending it.
After dragging the RVS for as long as he could, he quickly changed his tune once it seemed like the RVS was ending so that he could claim to have been aiming for this outcome from the beginning.
After this, we have Raikaria's perusal of Serela.
I could argue that your vote which basically amounts to OMGUS is more reason than anything else, especially if you're taking Huh What's prod at an RVS vote seriously.
First things first. Raikaria's first post, as I've stated earlier and as Schezo has also commented on, is worded in a rather "safe" manner.
Yes, yes, I might be arguing over semantics in analysing the use of "could", but I believe that it says a lot about Raikaria's defensive mentality at the time.
Upon rereading, I notice that my original interpretations of Raikaria's words regarding HW were rather confused, it was 1AM at the time, but whatever.
I saw "HW is messing around" as "HW is making bad cases", or something to that effect. This is my bad.
This doesn't change the fact, though, that Raikaria is really seeming to be overly defensive in making his case on Serela.
I mean, Raikaria's case around Serela seems to hinge around the fact that Serela decided to sheep HW's ED1 reasoning for voting for Raikaria and I am really curious about how Raikaria's opinion might change once Serela actually responds. Provided Serela actually responds.
Speaking of which, please exist Serela.
Anyway, my next point about Raikaria: To further his ambitions to defend himself and keep himself alive, Raikaria seems to have resorted to using emotionally charged language and portraying himself as being victimized in order to garner sympathy so as to not get lynched.
It appears people missed the 'reaction testing' part of my post. By throwing votes around early you can see how people react to being voted, and, just as importantly, how other people react to that person being voted. I just chose Serela first. I had reason and rhyme as to my madness, Dormio. And again, why am I being singled out for RVS shenanigans? Am I not allowed to play?
This very sentence seems contradictory to me.
Raikaria complains about being singled out for RVS shenanigans, when he claims that he was throwing his votes around and attempt to gather reactions.
When combined with his earlier points about wanting to end the RVS, it seems almost believable.
But, in that case, why is Raikaria crying about how he's become the focus of people's attention?
I'd assume that if you're attempting to end the RVS by throwing your vote around where it's most useless, you would be prepared to be voted yourself for it.
And it should be a good thing, shouldn't it? Considering you're trying to end the RVS and all, even if the conversation is centred around you, creating the discussion leads to opportunities to find inconsistencies in people's thought processes through the words that they type.
So why is it that Raikaria is appealing to emotion when he comes under scrutiny himself?
This adds to my earlier assessment that Raikaria was simply trying to associate himself with having ended the RVS, rather than actually attempting to end the RVS.
And I'm a derp, Huh What throwing around that Serela is 'confirmed town' is silly. I retract my statement about there being no real reason to vote him, but I personally do not see him vote-worthy.
HuhWhat: OK, whereas before I didn't see you as much of a problem, this whole 'Serela is confirmed town' and things like saying Conq is posting like he's scum without explaining it is starting to make you look bad in my eyes.
This fencesitting on HW doesn't look that good either. Stating that you have reasons to vote for someone, but refusing to vote for them whilst not disclosing the reasons makes me wonder why one would bother mentioning it at all.
An attempt to look active, and as though you're thinking more about scumhunting than you actually are?
Well, I guess it fits with my hypothesis that Raikaria is simply trying too hard to save his own skin.
And then, despite all that's happened, without Serela's response Raikaria simply doesn't vote anyone at all.
What happened to the supposedly fearless Raikaria that would vote people for their reactions?
Are you really looking for the scum? Because it doesn't look that way to me.
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I don't understand NNR's case on Prims. Is he just voting him because he thinks Serela is confirmed town?
I'm not that fond of Yoshino's last post either, it reminds me of the cases I pushed when I was scum in CM4 (I think only Prims will remember this). Lots of tldr focusing on minutiae
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Then would you care to tell me where my assessment is wrong?
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Also, heading out to classes so I'll be back whenever.
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No Day 1 case could possibly warrant that amount of words. I am largely turned off from considering Raikaria today on sheer principle.
Paperblade: It would seem NNR's case on Prims is mostly dead. It's certainly outdated, at the very least, what with the recent vote switch to Raikaria. It would perhaps be better
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hurr posting half-thoughts
*It would perhaps be better to focus on NNR's Raikaria case instead.
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1.3: Although It's An Unheard of Desire, Post a Votecount
"Who's Takao?" Even Third gets a theme song and he REDACTED
Schezo I am going to make you SO DRUNK
Raikaria (3): Celery, Dormio, NekoNekoRex
Dormio (2): BigBangMeteor, Paperblade
CF7 (2): Kilgamayan, Schezo
Zakeri (3): Serious Bananas, huh what, Conqueror
huh what (2): Zakeri, CF7
Not voting: BT, Raikaria
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 23 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130916T2345&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+1)
(I changed the town to another in my time zone)
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I reread the past few pages three times
I see someone with a blank unvote, another person with a blank unvote, someone who never had a case on anyone to start with, someone voting HW over calling me confirmed town until they give up and go back to an ed1 vote, and...
Wow, having opinions is apparently really hard this game for pretty much everyone?
Gonna try to process some of this more for the sake of having an actual opinion myself, but you people aren't making it easy >:T Then again I guess the day started like 24 hours ago.
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Shadoweh why is there two seperate Zakeri wagons in the votecount?
Do the republicans and democrats not want to sit on the same locomotive together
banned
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shadoweh that votecount is a fucking travesty
(reading)
ALSO BANNED
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And here I thought we could be best buddies Shadoweh... :(
Also heads up, I'm not around much on weekdays. Probably won't be around until like ~4 hours before phase end, other than maybe a post in the morning.
Dormio, what do you have to say to the one-line rebuttal to your 50-line case, that Raikaria acts similarly to this in most of his games?
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No Day 1 case could possibly warrant that amount of words. I am largely turned off from considering Raikaria today on sheer principle.
I can't tell if this is a joke or not but if it isn't then it's craplogic for reasons that shouldn't need to be explained. :|
Also TBH I'm not really satisfied with your content so far in general, feels like you're not really taking your vote seriously at all. Why should we be voting CF7 and not the other lurker dudes which there are a lot of?
Paper, how do you feel about a lynch on Zak? Same question goes for Kilga, actually. I don't really like how Zak is flying under the radar (despite being a vote leader) for most players since his push on me was really bad and looks like an excuse to do nothing by pushing somebody doing a Silly Thing.
Dormio, the fact that you're hyperfocussing on Raikaria to the point of writing walls about him and nothing about anybody else is Really, Really Bad.
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Even if Serela wasn't Confirmed Town, I would think his reaction to me calling him such is pretty town!Serela. Zak's explanation for this being scummy is bad because he fails to consider that I could be saying it because Serela really is Confirmed Town, which is true. Also, the arguments for Weird ED1 Shit having scum intent at this point in the day are stretching it imo. Either way, quit using this as an excuse to coast and not scumhunt.
Whether Serela is town or not doesn't matter. Anyone can say anyone is town and have anywhere between 50-100% accuracy rate for various reasons. What I want are the reasons for you saying this, and I can think of three - one that makes you scum, one that makes you null, and one that is impossible in this setup. Ergo I shall continue to press this point.
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What do you expect to gain from continuing to press it?
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Okay, after carefully isoing everyone for their votes, the votecount should be fixed >.>;
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tbh I see where Dormio's coming from on Raikaria and I don't think Raikaria's behaviour can simply be dismissed with "he does this every game" because scummy behaviour is still scummy but i agree that the tunneling is bad. Dormio, is Raikaria your only scum read?
actually this game has too many people just picking one target and just harping on them while ignoring other people. like bbm and paperblade, what do you think about a zak wagon since you two have only basically talked about dormio?
zakeri continuing to push the "confirmed town" point and choosing to ignore all the everything else that has already happened in the thread is going for refuge in audacity. like, seriously.
@raikaria, no one else needs to read this:
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Every time, you react to the pressure in the beginning of the game like everyone is naturally out to get you for your posting style and guess what, it happens! Complain less, push more. The best defence is a good offense. It makes the game a better read and it makes you easier to read because frankly the amount of words you inevitably put out in defense of your behaviour are pretty alignment independent. I await your scumreads when you return.
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it's hard to tell this game has 14 players, feels like half the game isn't here. well, d1, but still.
bt, pls put a vote down, i have no idea who your scumreads are and this behaviour is pretty uncharacteristic for you?
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I'm surprised noone said
Take a shot every time Shadoweh fucks up the votecount!
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I see someone with a blank unvote, another person with a blank unvote, someone who never had a case on anyone to start with, someone voting HW over calling me confirmed town until they give up and go back to an ed1 vote
All of you need to stop doing these things, Zakeri needs to have opinions that aren't just tunneling HW on calling me confirmed town, it's justified to vote any of you expect maybe Schezo
CF7 isn't much better although it might just be because he hasn't had a chance to post since RVS had barely ended, as I just skimmed the thread and haven't seen anything from him since then
It's hard to even think of considering any of the others (Kilga, Dormio, SB, HW) at all simply because they aren't full of unignorable flaws
Not only that, but so many people being like this at once probably contributes to making it harder for the rest to try to play well (example:see previous sentence)
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I probably don't need to make notepad thoughts for just a page of reading but w/e
Dormio 185 is holy shit tldr
except I am reading it anyway
what the hell is all this
prolonging the RVS...
this is literally a text wall on RVS posts, fuck.
I dunno if I can even agree with this stuff, and I'm voting Raikaria. It's really :tryhard: though, and doesn't have any other reads
Serela 192 is really vauge and says jack fuxking squat about his scumreads. Get on the ball gdi
HW 196 has many agreeable statments, like on Dormio, and stuff on Kilga I failed to notice because I'm awful at mafia. lurker lynch on D1 seems :I tho, kind of an iffy suggestion
Followed of course by Zak, "lurker lynch target", continuing to press what I dropped earlier. As interesting as getting results would be, he still lacks actual scumreads.
unnotable Conq post. Reminds me how many lurkers this game has though. Like Paperblade.cut by Serela post with actual content
Serela who do you think is scum
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NNR's first vote was bad. What's the scum intent in calling somebody Confirmed Town? My vote was fine for ED1 and NNR ignored that I only kept it due to Raikaria having an evasive response when criticizing it. Looks really graspy. Unvoting because it's a "toxic vote to sit on" is reallllly sleazy and reeks of scum not wanting to be targeted for their bad logic; town's scumreads don't change because people find them scummy.
I wanted to argue this point but it does look bad in retrospect. It could have been attributed to bad wording, but his thought process is very apparent, and it's to drop the vote, and then hunt around for someone else to vote, rather than legitimately thinking Raikaria is worse and then switching. It also explains why NNR isn't trying to call out HW despite his claims last game of being able to instantly ping him when he's scum. Actually, no, NNR is clearing this up, and I can see why he's getting so confused and frusterated. He was getting pressured to move his vote, and since he gave in, people are calling him scum despite getting what they wanted.
Because I'm sorry I don't need 86 scumreads day 1. I have one very clear telegraphed one, don't call me out on not having reads NNR.
You and BT can fight me.
I like your Gusto.
If I don't call somebody out for something, it's because I didn't catch it, not because I'm trying to coast through as scum. I get accused of this in every game that's expected to last beyond a week.
I mean, what answer to that would have been satisfactory?
I feel like I've already made it clear that there are at least answers that would have satisfied me.
Also the point about my stance on Raikaria - What's wrong with letting people talk about something just because I don't care? Raikaria's not in danger of getting lynched at the point, so I have no reason to defend him directly.
all i'm gonna say now is that zak coming back and posting really quickly after i prodded him is kind of suspicious
Yes, because I'm psychic and instantly know when someone says my name.
Dormio's 185 is too wordy and lucid to come from a day one town dormio. I agree with the later assesments that it feels like scum trying to gather enough solid reasoning to have a flawless vote where one shouldn't exist.
Then would you care to tell me where my assessment is wrong?
This really brings the point home. His immediate response to the accusation is to point out that there's no holes in the logic he used.
What do you expect to gain from continuing to press it?
A reason that I might have missed? One that doesn't suggest you're scum?
I don't really like how Zak is flying under the radar (despite being a vote leader)
Did you really say this?
"I don't like the fact that nobody is paying attention to Zak (Ignore the part where everyone is paying attention to Zak)."
This is blatantly throwing shit to see what sticks. The only reason you could have brought this point up was to parrot Serious Bananas when he said it. At least it was true back then since he was the first vote on my wagon.
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Serela who do you think is scum
I haven't really sorted into priorities the five people I mentioned being worth voting, admittedly. This is probably because it's not so much Scummy Things They Did as much as Townie Things They Aren't Doing. (24 hours into the game makes it hard to do much scummy stuff in the first place though, I guess)
But yeah between BT, Zak, Raikaria, NNR, and CF7
we still have 24-ish more hours for them to do the Townie Things They Aren't Doing (without doing scummy stuff) and they probably won't all get better within that time, so
cut but too tired to read before posting
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@nnr given the lack of activity from much of the players lurkers are a sizable part of the lynch pool
like do you think zak isn't scummy or do you just not want to lynch him because he's lurking? because the material is out there, but zak is clearly choosing only to pursue the "confirmed town" avenue when it's pretty clear that that wagon isn't going through and zak's barely talked about anyone else. doesnt feel like he's seriously trying to get a scumlynch with the level of effort he's putting out.
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oops cut by a zak post, reading now. i hate my slow connection
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A reason that I might have missed? One that doesn't suggest you're scum?
Did you really say this?
"I don't like the fact that nobody is paying attention to Zak (Ignore the part where everyone is paying attention to Zak)."
This is blatantly throwing shit to see what sticks. The only reason you could have brought this point up was to parrot Serious Bananas when he said it. At least it was true back then since he was the first vote on my wagon.
The problem here is that nothing suggests I'm scum unless you want to make up bullshit possibilities.
Also, look at the context. "Vote leader" means "you have 3 votes", one of them being my own. Most people who weren't voting you were not talking about you. You can't seriously argue everyone is paying attention to you.
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Dormio, what do you have to say to the one-line rebuttal to your 50-line case, that Raikaria acts similarly to this in most of his games?
That it's scummy, and I will vote him for it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Dormio, is Raikaria your only scum read?
No, but I need to actually organize my thoughts surrounding the others, and I have classes and other stuff to do.
I'll get around to posting about other people later. Maybe.
Dormio, the fact that you're hyperfocussing on Raikaria to the point of writing walls about him and nothing about anybody else is Really, Really Bad.
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Dormio's 185 is too wordy and lucid to come from a day one town dormio. I agree with the later assesments that it feels like scum trying to gather enough solid reasoning to have a flawless vote where one shouldn't exist.
This really brings the point home. His immediate response to the accusation is to point out that there's no holes in the logic he used.
I'm all for discussion, though. :(
Also Serela is being useless and I don't like NNR calling Serela's fluff "content".
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Yeah trying to make a post while I'm also writing down notes isn't working out all that well.
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Also Serela is being useless
there is an overabundance of people doing things worth voting them over
the things in question are very simple and can be adequately explained in a single sentence
it's not my fault they're making it too easy, I'm even asking them to stop
...okay, on a more serious note, stuff like the blank unvoting is obviously not an entire reason to vote someone by itself, but pretty much there's a grab bag of people doing things that are bad (yet not explicitly scummy, but what do you expect this early anyway) and I think at this point the pressure should be more on them to improve before there's just too much inadequacy.
The people who can't deliver better content are more likely to be scum then the ones that don't. I care more about who fails to get better then who doesn't look great in the first 24 hours of the game. Regardless of whatever else I said I think those two sentences are probably the most important thing about my current opinions
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on them to improve before there's just too much inadequacy.
what the heck was I even trying to say
it's 1:30am I'm sorry
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I feel like I've already made it clear that there are at least answers that would have satisfied me.
I tried to write up a coherent response to this but the best I can come up is with
Given stuff like this
What I want are the reasons for you saying this, and I can think of three - one that makes you scum, one that makes you null, and one that is impossible in this setup.
I don't really see how his answer would have been relevant at all. Like, I'm trying to run my thought process through this but I can't follow through the logic. If he's scum he's not going to give an answer that makes him scum? So in any case the answer he gives is going to be null? Like I said, what was the point of the exercise? A trap?
Also the point about my stance on Raikaria - What's wrong with letting people talk about something just because I don't care? Raikaria's not in danger of getting lynched at the point, so I have no reason to defend him directly.
I'm pretty sure that wasn't the situation at the time? Raikaria was getting a decent amount of negative pressure, and it could have easily gone to a lynch, so no idea where you're getting that he wasn't in danger of getting lynched?
Dormio's 185 is too wordy and lucid to come from a day one town dormio. I agree with the later assesments that it feels like scum trying to gather enough solid reasoning to have a flawless vote where one shouldn't exist.
This really brings the point home. His immediate response to the accusation is to point out that there's no holes in the logic he used.
Ahahaha, nope. I'm making an executive declaration right now that all cases about Dormio being scummy because of his style of casemaking are invalid. It essentially boils down to a playstyle attack and it's invalid when you look at stuff like town!Dormio's stupid wallfights with Chocola in Micro 31. I'm wary of how many people are pushing this point because it's an easy way to discredit Dormio and paint him as scum.
That said, Dormio, if you're town here, throw me a bone. What makes this different from the Raikaria you've seen in other games, and why are you ignoring the rest of the game just to talk about Raikaria? Cut by Dormio: oh, okay, as long as you post it. What do you think about Zak btw?
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serela im sure you have rudimentary voting priorities, pls share
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That it's scummy, and I will vote him for it. Nothing more, nothing less.
also dormio this statement you made basically sums up my point: if you think he's scummy in every game, don't you think you should recalibrate your scumdar a little to allow for that? not saying raikaria is def!town in this game, but just saying, maybe you just dislike his face.
i just dont want micro 31 all over again pls no not that game
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I don't think Zak is very town atm, tbh, he doesn't have any scumreads and his vote isn't actually too good.
Mostly reluctant to vote him because he has so few thoughts on other players.
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I might not have said anything about Zak, but I don't think I've talked only about Dormio.
I could go for a Zak lynch though, he just keeps talking about possible scum intent behind declaring Serela confirmed town when Prims already covered why there isn't really much scum intent there. If Zak seriously thinks there IS scum intent, he should explain what it is instead of just saying it exists. Also I find Dormio suspicious but Zak's reasons for it look really weird. Too tired right now to place my finger on it exactly. I'll consider it in the morning.
Dormio, why are you sadfaecing to Prims's comment on your hypertunnel rather than actually commenting on other people? Okay, we get that you can't go fully into depth right now because you're busy, but even just throwing down the identities of these other scumreads and leaving it at that until you have time is still better than vaguely promising that you might talk about someone else.
Conq- between your first assessment of Raikaria and your latest, he's had only two posts- #173 and #174. What made you change from "same as always" to "actually his play can't be dismissed". I'm not in favour of just dismissing someone because they're always scummy either, but at least it means that you try to look for the more minor things that differ between their scum and town play. Also cut by your last post- why are you suddenly asking Dormio why Raikaria is different this game than normal when you just said that you also believe this, or at least believe that it doesn't matter if he isn't?
Considering right now whether I'd rather vote Dormio or BT. BT's self-deprecation looks out of place and his blatant lack of any sort of commitment despite raising some valid points is bad. Plus 75% of his content revolves around pushing Raikaria even though he's not voting Raikaria and doesn't find him scummy. Also what someone (Kilga?) pointed out, that pushing Schezo for not going gung-ho in his offence against NNR when BT doesn't even have an offence is pretty hypocritical. I also don't remember his play being so bleh in the 3-4 games I've played with him.
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wooooooooowowowowowwow
I see someone with a blank unvote, another person with a blank unvote, someone who never had a case on anyone to start with, someone voting HW over calling me confirmed town until they give up and go back to an ed1 vote, and...
Serela you better call the fucking cops for that line because Jesus. I want to punch you in the teeth for this "naughty naughty you gaiz" attitude when you literally said fuck all in the 4 posts you made just now. Ok cool. There was some textbook scum stuff done page 5. Why don't you hard call someone out instead of this general handwave nonsense you're pulling? Whoever said 203 was actual content got tricked by the vaugeness Serela pulled with it. It looks like he's doing something but when you really look at it I have no idea who he wants to vote since the whole "anyone can be justified in being voted here" thing is ludicrous given that he hasn't voted anyone. I mean you gonna call 4+ people out, vote someone. Shit.
I mean Dormio just called him out on this and he does the same fucking thing 211 hoooooooooooooooooooooooooly
Notice. None of the people he called out are Raikaria who his vote is currently on.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Serela
NNR don't make a post with that codebox ever again it stretches my screen. Thank you.
Given that I actually read Dormio's case when it seems some of you haven't the only thing I really have problems with are his inability to give other people the attention he gives Raikaria which seems to me to be :derp:
I don't dismiss it just for being huge if anything I'm writing it off because of tunnel vision and there is no comparison to how he thinks other players are to Raikaria.
gonna get this post out there because I'm having a hard time wording how I want to respond to Zakeri
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zakeri continuing to push the "confirmed town" point and choosing to ignore all the everything else that has already happened in the thread is going for refuge in audacity. like, seriously.
Would it help if I told you I had a reason?
I agree there are a lot of people being bad for various reasons, but it's important to sort them out individually. Just going by the people Serela mentions in 206 (minus myself) ...
BT hasn't made a single vote all game. I guess the only reason people are going after my supposed votepark is because I'm not doing a good job of hiding like a scum would and instead trying to put myself out there to get an answer for my vote. I Ignored it in favor of him defending against the vote on NNR, but trying to ISO him is painful because you can't even tell what he's talking about without other people's posting for context. There's absolutely no content here.
As for Raikaria ... well, I'm getting really sleepy right now and I feel like even if I read him I'd get a null reading since his meta makes him resistant to every reason I remember reading people are suspicious of.
NNR as well, I've already explained a little about why I think he's town, but he's clearly voting and moving his vote around to gather information. The later votes and arguments against all feel like targeting his confusion and frusteration in order to make him look statistically bad.
CF7 is, if we are going to start punishing lurkers on principal, a good place to start, but it's much more null than where BT is at right now.
Most people who weren't voting you were not talking about you. You can't seriously argue everyone is paying attention to you.
I can't argue it anymore than you can argue that nobody is paying attention to a guy who currently shares the tag of "Most likely to be lynched" at time of writing. As deadline approaches, just being one of the leading wagons is going to force people to look into me in due time. Unless you all magically forget about me, you're not going to just ... forget about me.
I'm starting to see why my thought process is hard to follow when you're not me, I blame my lack of foresight for that, but I'll try to accommodate with future explanations.
If he's scum he's not going to give an answer that makes him scum? So in any case the answer he gives is going to be null?
But this is exactly what I'm asking for. If he gave an answer it would end up being null rather than town ... but I'm not voting people I have null reads on.
If he's town and has a reason, then why not give it?
If he's town and doesn't have a reason, which everyone seems to believe ... then why not admit it?
I'm voting him because he's being incredibly evasive, and I don't like it.
I'm pretty sure that wasn't the situation at the time? Raikaria was getting a decent amount of negative pressure, and it could have easily gone to a lynch, so no idea where you're getting that he wasn't in danger of getting lynched?
I don't remember how many games you've had with Raikaria, but it's getting to be a tired old tune. I tend to pay more attention to content of posts rather than votecounts on day one, so it didn't even register to me if he was in danger of getting lynched at the time I brushed it off. It's also pretty much the fact that it's the first 24 hour period and MotK is known for stretching days out as long as possible even when that's a bad idea.
Ahahaha, nope. I'm making an executive declaration right now that all cases about Dormio being scummy because of his style of casemaking are invalid. It essentially boils down to a playstyle attack
...So it's just a playstyle attack, regardless of the fact that I think the reason the post was written that way was directly because of a difference between scum and town's approach to casemaking?
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Schezo stop voting Confirmed Town. :(
I'm 100% serious when I say my role PM tells me Serela is town-aligned.
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Is there a way to read isos on this forum software or do I actually have to reread the thread? Haven't reread for that Zak thing yet because of that but as I mentioned earlier I didn't really like CF7's posts but he's not been around in a while. No one else has seemed too unreasonable but I'd need to double check that.
@Yosh: I don't like your argument because it feels like you're trying too hard to find a scumread where none exists. Which is pretty scummy.
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Okay, we get that you can't go fully into depth right now because you're busy, but even just throwing down the identities of these other scumreads and leaving it at that until you have time is still better than vaguely promising that you might talk about someone else.
CF7, Serela, NNR (?), need rereads on HW/Kilga.
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Yeah....
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None of the people he called out are Raikaria who his vote is currently on.
but raikaria -is- one of the five people I called out
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Conq- between your first assessment of Raikaria and your latest, he's had only two posts- #173 and #174. What made you change from "same as always" to "actually his play can't be dismissed". I'm not in favour of just dismissing someone because they're always scummy either, but at least it means that you try to look for the more minor things that differ between their scum and town play. Also cut by your last post- why are you suddenly asking Dormio why Raikaria is different this game than normal when you just said that you also believe this, or at least believe that it doesn't matter if he isn't?
I'm saying that if his play is always scummy, then you can't make cases that that person's scum for his typical behaviour. At the same time, you can't just dismiss them and say "they're always scummy." So basically, yeah I agree that you look for the minor stuff that makes someone townie or scummy. It's why I'm waiting for Raikaria's reads update to solidify an actual read on him. It's also why I asked Dormio the question I did, because I think Dormio is missing the forest for the trees.
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Is there a way to read isos on this forum software or do I actually have to reread the thread?
click a person's name to get to their profile, then show posts. it shows all their posts across the forum so it's a little inconvenient for some users, but it's better than nothing.
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Zak- you argue that you are in the spotlight because even though not that many people are talking about you, you are a leading wagon due to votecounts. Yet you say later in the post when you're talking about Raikaria that you don't even pay attention or care much about votecounts. Reconcile this please.
anyways good night
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Very slowly responding to :wikipedia:.
also dormio this statement you made basically sums up my point: if you think he's scummy in every game, don't you think you should recalibrate your scumdar a little to allow for that? not saying raikaria is def!town in this game, but just saying, maybe you just dislike his face.
It's the most interesting thing, so it's what I'm going to stick with. I mean just because he does this as town doesn't mean that he doesn't do it as scum.
In fact, it should be more pronounced when he's scum, and I think it's more pronounced right now, so yeah.
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Screw this.
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trying this again
If he's town and has a reason, then why not give it?
I'm 100% serious when I say my role PM tells me Serela is town-aligned.
at this point huhwhat has stated stuff to this effect multiple times in the thread. do you have any reason to disbelieve this? i can tell that you're paying attention to other players from your latest post, so if so... why are you still sticking to this? either huhwhat's pm doesn't say serela is town-aligned, in which case i can't fathom how that makes huhwhat more likely to be scum than town, or it does say that serela is town-aligned, in which case we don't need to know any more. unless you're going to make the case that huhwhat scum is protecting serela for some reason?
...So it's just a playstyle attack, regardless of the fact that I think the reason the post was written that way was directly because of a difference between scum and town's approach to casemaking?
No, I'm saying Dormio's cases are always nitpicky, if he bothers making them. What would town!Dormio's case on Raikaria look like if you're making that claim?
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still futilely responding to every six posts before my last post. There's nothing important there, guess I'll move on and FINALLY.
of course, now that it's happened, I'm racked with doubts. I've got no choice but to be forward with it though since I've lead everyone around with it.
Basically, I'm counter claiming Huh what. My role tells me that there is a Yukiteru Amano and that he is sided with the town.
Him claiming this role was basically the scenario that caused me to think he was scum.
Zak- you argue that you are in the spotlight because even though not that many people are talking about you, you are a leading wagon due to votecounts. Yet you say later in the post when you're talking about Raikaria that you don't even pay attention or care much about votecounts. Reconcile this please.
Like I said, I don't pay attention to votecounts. HW's claim that I was leading cause me to think I had one or two more votes than I did, or at least more than anyone else did. I overreacted.
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I guess I already addressed the first half of your post.
I guess I'll relax the Dormio point in your favor. At the very least it would require digging through more meta than I'm comfortable using at once.
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ughh
what makes you think that
1) there couldnt be two such roles in a game?
2) your role makes huhwhat's claim scum?
##unvote
##vote bt
too tired to figure out what's going on right now, will look at this tomorrow.
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~_~
also explains why zak was hung up on that the way he was but seriously this entire line of inquiry looks like a red herring now, especially as shadoweh told us not to outguess the mod. there's the also the obvious option that huhwhat was initially joking, so i dont know why you took it super seriously >_>
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What a coincidence HW, my rolepm also confirms to me that Serela is town
I was going to turn this into a post of using zakeri as an example of why I do things but I'm just too tired so I'm going to bed instead
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So Serela is literally going to do nothing for the entirety of D1, huh?
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Well I was going to say Zak was derping it up harping about HW but now I feel trolled.
I mean the CC is like "I guess" but I don't know it feels too setup gamey for me. I really don't have any problems with Zakeri once he started talking about others.
Paperblades has made 2 drivebys at Dormio for the words case and I think isos are coming but there's a huge gaap of content here.
Serela is still the most frustrating thing I've seen all game. I don't know I'll go with HW's confirmed town thing for now.
##Unvote:
##Vote: BT
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Zak's claim doesn't really make me feel better about him; he could easily have that role as non-town.
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Actually Zak is probably SK.
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kind of a risky play for zak!sk to make though wouldnt it?
this is why i hate rolegaming and making plays based off rolegaming, it makes people impossible to read
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zak, if you're town, move your vote somewhere else unless you're going to make a huhwhat!scum case independent of the claim. im not touching this claim business with a 10 foot pole.
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I'd like to think the answer to the second question is implicit, but I admit I don't have an answer for that first one since in retrospect the effect of our roles vary slightly.
Uhh, god damn it.
I don't really see a reason why HW's role holder would be scum unless it's to prevent gaming the setup, but to go that route would be completely forced and circular so I don't feel comfortable keeping this vote without a serious reread.
I'm undecided between Dormio and BT right now. BT would basically be a prodvote to pressure him into finding at least one scum but everyone seems to fall that way already.
I still thank the amount of effort put into Dormio's case on Raikaria is too disproportionate to how town would go about it, but I don't really know what else I'd get out of him other than asking him to make cases on other people.
I guess for day one's sake, BT is the worst one between them.
##Unvote: Huh What
##Vote: BT
zak, if you're town, move your vote somewhere else unless
I'm working on it. I'm up past my bedtime just like everyone else right now.
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1.4: Lunning For Your Rife, Always Lunning From The Votecount
Take 1 shot every time Yuki screams like a little girl!
Raikaria (3): Celery, Dormio, NekoNekoRex
Dormio (2): BigBangMeteor, Paperblade
CF7 (1): Kilgamayan
Zakeri (2): Serious Bananas, huh what
huh what (1): CF7
BT (3): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri
Not voting: BT, Raikaria
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 21 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130916T2345&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+1)
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Conq raises a valid point.
##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio
I see BT's play as annoying but neutral. No other wagon particularly interests me right now, although I still have a minor suspicion on Kilga, and don't totally trust Zak.
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Hey, I'm back, and I'm really hungry, but I'm going to talk about Serela first.
To be honest, I can't read Serela much past Serela being Serela. By which I mean anti-town.
His first series of posts does nothing but state that he is sheeping HW in voting for Raikaria.
This is incredibly lazy, which fits my current overall assessment of Serela.
When Serela finally returns with this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021018.html#msg1021018), he does nothing but complain that nobody is forming any opinions.
By complaining that nobody is forming any opinions, Serela attempts to imply that he has some of his own, which he refuses to share at this point in time.
Later, Serela makes this useless post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021036.html#msg1021036), which accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Serela is literally doing nothing but prodding people to provide opinions while giving none of his own.
I suppose one possible interpretation would be that Serela is attempting to voice his suspicions in a very awkward and roundabout manner, but I don't think that this is the case.
I think that Serela is actually just being very lazy and not doing anything as a result.
Serela's next post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021036.html#msg1021036) is just as useless as his previous ones.
Though actually, upon looking at it again, this particular post is quite interesting.
It's hard to even think of considering any of the others (Kilga, Dormio, SB, HW) at all simply because they aren't full of unignorable flaws
That Serela would even say this part in particular just makes me wonder what the hell goes through that unique mind of Serela's.
The fact that Serela states that he isn't really going to go after anyone that he believes to be competent leads to the conclusion that Serela is looking for bad play, rather than scummy play.
I mean, he even says in much in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021039.html#msg1021039).
it's not so much Scummy Things They Did as much as Townie Things They Aren't Doing.
I don't think I need to go into too much detail about why I believe this facet of Serela's thought process to be scummy.
However, I can't help but get this nagging feeling that Serela is actually just not caring at all about what he does.
And I don't even know how I'm supposed to parse this drivel (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021049.html#msg1021049).
Serela claims that there are lots of people that he could vote, but that each of these votes would be "too easy" and, therefore, incorrect.
Whilst I'm ignoring the contradiction between his earlier posts that Serela is complaining, at first, about there being not enough content to work with before shifting to there being too much easy content to chase after, I fail to see how Serela can't even organize his thoughts on the people that he supposedly suspects when he states that there is now a plethora of information about each of them.
Just... What the hell is this shit?
Overall, I have no idea what to make of Serela's apathy.
It's definitely anti-town, in my opinion, but I have no idea if it's scummy or not.
I mean, I want to say it's scummy, but I just can't read if Serela is motivated by laziness or actual scumminess.
If the push came to the shove, I would say that Serela is scummy, but I'd rather vote for Raikaria first.
Anyway, more posts incoming whenever they get written.
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Prims, why do you think that Zak is SK? He crumbed his role in multiple posts and his tunneling on you makes sense in the context of his claim, which he crumbed in multiple posts. If he was scum it would be pretty stupid of him to try to create a 1v1 D1 unless he somehow knew you were mafia, and even then there's a good chance he'd get lynched over you. tbh I think he looks townier than you do since I know you'd be willing to run a gambit like this.
The only things that bugs me about Zak are how he dropped the Prims case assuming that Prims' role was real and not him lying, plus how jumpy he was about wagons.
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Yosh I read like the first two sentences of your post but your argument that Serela is scum pretty much requires Prims to be scum as well, and I don't think you've addressed him all game ?_?
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Uh, what? I have no idea how you might have possibly reached that conclusion.
The main crux of my argument is that Serela is incredibly lazy and apathetic, which I can't read.
Whilst his behaviours are scummy, I'm getting the gut feeling that Serela's actions are driven more by a lack of effort as opposed to a legitimate attempt to further scum's agenda.
What does this have to do with HW?
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Different timezones suck. I go to sleep, i wake up to this mess. People arguing with each other, people accusing me of being lurker, people blank unvoting and so on.
Anyway reading now.
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Prims, why do you think that Zak is SK?
At first it was flavor speculation + some further role information which makes an extra clear be fishy, but then I realized that was dumb and I don't think he's SK anymore.
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Dormio:
Serela is scum --> HW is lying
If you're struggling to figure out if Serela is scum you should take into account that it'd mean that HW is lying, which makes him scum.
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To be perfectly honest, I'm completely disregarding HW's statement that Serela is town.
It's a non-factor to me, and there are plenty of reasons for HW to lie as town in my mind, one of which includes sheer boredom.
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Different timezones suck. I go to sleep, i wake up to this mess. People arguing with each other, people accusing me of being lurker, people blank unvoting and so on.
Anyway reading now.
Since that was the most important thing you gathered in your summary I'm glad you're ready to step up and fight me.
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Ah that was a nice slee... wait why are there 3 more pages?
Anyway, as I promised at 1am, I'm actually going to do the 2nd part of my post now. Not happy with the people moaning at me for blank unvoting at 1am when I didn't have the mental cohesion to think straight by the way.
Let's start with things directed at me:
I asked a question earlier to Raikaria so as to how he expects votes thrown around frequently under the guise of RVS would pressure anyone at all, which Raikaria has yet to answer.
In addition to this, we can look at things like:Which indicates a strong desire from Raikaria to associate himself with having ended RVS.
This is a natural course of action, if you're looking to defend yourself, since ending RVS is an admirable action meant to forward the game and create meaningful discussion that will help us to catch the scums.
1: I just expected it. There's not much to explain there.
2: I never said I ended it on purpose, but the fact is my over-reaction to Serela, due to misunderstanding that his vote was ultimately a joke vote, is what actually started real discussion.
I had a bunch of other stuff typed out for the other part of your post, but I'm not gonna-requote the post, it's a response to your complaing about AtE; and me 'prolonging the RVS':
I made 2 posts in RVS. Really close to each other. If you're going to say I was prolonging the RVS as a case against me, please, I'd like to know what you think Huh What or BT or Bannanas were doing.
While I accept my complaining may have come across as such, the intention was using the MotKTown Meta, pointing out 'Hey guys this always happens to me ED1.'. The part about me responding to accusations of 'Defense Scum' is simple logic, not AtE.
- People accuse me ED1
- Have to defend myself because there's not really anything to use against them yet
- More people jump on because Defending Self
See the issue here?
But hey, now there IS content to use, so I can lower my shield a little and start poking with my sword.
Also, saying 'Someone is defending himself they must be scum' is flawed anyway. Lynching town isn't helping town wincon, you know, and unless a townie has an ability that relates to their being lynched, a townie shouyldn't want to be lynched as much as scum doesn't want to be.
Anywho, moving on for the Dormio wall:
Right, a quick overview of my scumreads:
Huh What - Still unsure if this is Huh What being Huh What. He's claimed role-based information on Serela which apparently clears Serela. Which leads to me mentioning him. I think Huh What lying is far more likely than Zakeri lying. [Although both could be telling the truth; see Zakeri's section]
Serela - OK, you're completely useless. After lurking this long you come back, give some unexplained scumreads, waffle, and basically do nothing. Combined with Huh What, who isn't too useful himself, 'clearing' you, and the fact that Zakeri soft 'counter-claims' Huh What, I'm pretty sure that not only are you a good lynch for your own purposes, but you're also a good lynch to get to the bottom of this Huh What/Zakeri role shenanigans. You're just tunneling on me, which is a 'jokevote' without even explaining what's making you stick with it.
Lurking is bad, waffle is bad, tunneling is bad, not explaining your reasons for scumreads is bad...
I feel like I've just chased my own tail here; but ##Vote: Serela
Dormio: Hyperfocusing me, tunnelling, making arguments based on semantics. A lot of what he's saying is honestly parroted from various other people too. Also same as Serela, dosen't explain his scumreads, and continues to tunnel.
Zakeri - Not so much a 'scumread' than me mentioning his soft 'counter-claim'. I say 'soft counter-claim' because Yuki being in the game and a townie is mutually exclusive to 'Serela is town'. Serela could easily be Yuki, or both could be true, but likewise, the odds that we have two roles confirming people Pre-D1 seems a little unlikly.
BT: Mentioning due to 3 votes on him. I'm not too sold on the case on BT.
Also, at this point, I feel like using my own role, to give the person I feel is talking the most sense a voice to use in the darkness. #Curse: Conqueror
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Oh wait I need 2 hashtags:
##Curse: Conqueror
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Holy shit you people are terrible.
Serela and I are masons. This is not a gambit.
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I'm just going to freestyle at this point.
I've had some gut feeling towards SB since that one post he made. That he'd find something incriminating to say about all of the occurrences and have the capacity to form a rank list at that point feels artificial. It's also arguments like "Raikaria avoided dropping a vote" that make me think this way because he could have said the same thing about me. Which suggests that he focused on the focus and on delivering arguments on that front only.
The beef I'd have with Schezo is that he's moving around enough to make it bothersome. I mean it's possible that he's just that invested into the game that he'd produce and withdraw his lunges multiple times but the other option is that he's just biting at what's there and that seems more likely. Point shit out first and reconsider later is something I'd attribute to scum jumping around with their vote and not aggressive town.
Something about Conq's beef me that I think he would've done otherwise as town? Is the feeling I get. Cool, I'm weird this game, I can tell too. Except as Kilga pointed out it wasn't hard for me to bs a reason and it's usually what I do as scum. In fact I don't remember any of my scum games where I decided to reason things out in spite of people telling me to just damn vote someone. You know how I play so I think I expected more and not this whatever vote for me being weird.
For now.
cut by the Raikaria post I was waiting for (not read) and HW claiming what I thought was going on.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
Horrible, horrible post. Lots of irrelevant one-liners + essentially relies on using paranoia to dismiss clears in lieu of actual content, followed by dropping a vote on the case that takes the least effort to make imaginable.
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You're seventh right? That's pretty much what I thought.
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Also, neither one of us is Yukiteru, which is why Zak's claim is weird. I suspect he's SK because SK would help trim down the clears and wouldn't actually have to reveal that his clear is confirmed town.
Cut: I don't watch the anime, but my character name is Marco Ikusaba.
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Seventh is the pair. And yes that's what you are and Serela is your wife.
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BTW after that wall of text about Serela which lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm inclined to think Dormio is either really rusty town or playing entirely based on refuge audacity.
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I'm typing, I'm typing.
I said as much that I have no idea what to think about Serela, I just decided to post about him first.
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BTW after that wall of text about Serela which lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm inclined to think Dormio is either really rusty town or playing entirely based on refuge audacity.
Felt he was probably town for making that post but basically concluding that he's unsure. I mean he says that he'd vote Serela but it doesn't seem like scum opening up options to me, dunno.
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1.5: Because of Avici I Post Votecounts
~*~Conqueror has been cursed!~*~
Take 1 shot every time Yuno gets yandere on someone!
Raikaria (4): Celery, Dormio, NekoNekoRex, huh what
Dormio (2): BigBangMeteor, Paperblade
CF7 (1): Kilgamayan
Zakeri (1): Serious Bananas
huh what (1): CF7
BT (3): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri
Serela (1): Raikaria
Not voting: BT
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 18 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130916T2345&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+1)
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Aside from Raikaria himself, I find it questionable how much Conq waffles on him. It's like Conq goes back and forth from "Raikaria is kinda bad, but the reasons are kinda bad" and it's very noncommittal. His Dormio defense is actually pretty similar; certain attacks on Dormio are bad but Dormio is just whatever. It's an easy way to make people doing specific things look bad without actually giving a solid read on the relevant player. I also think he addresses Dormio like he knows Dormio is town which is pretty weird.
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Fuck, it is way too early for me to be making more content posts, I don't think I'm gonna bother reading all of this until I wake up tomorrow.
All these claims mean absolutely nothing so far, now that they've been revealed. In fact, I can only see irony in the fact that last time Prims was Masons I'm pretty sure it was with Serela, and they weren't really Masons.
i'm going to bed
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Excuse me for you not seeming incredibly pro-town, a soft-counter-claim, and Serela not seeming town in the slightest right now.
Not only does lynching Serela prove your claim, and sort out this claim pile, but it also gets rid of someone not contributing in any meaningful way at all. Seems like a good lynch to me, and it's hardly 'The one with the least effort'. That would probobly be CF9 for lurkscum.
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Excuse me for you not seeming incredibly pro-town, a soft-counter-claim, and Serela not seeming town in the slightest right now.
Not only does lynching Serela prove your claim, and sort out this claim pile, but it also gets rid of someone not contributing in any meaningful way at all. Seems like a good lynch to me, and it's hardly 'The one with the least effort'. That would probobly be CF9 for lurkscum.
scummiest post in the game
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lol I was going to excuse him for the role he just used but what the fuck
They claimed masons Raikaria.
NNR the last time it was with rawr and it was really shifty and I don't think it's similar this time.
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All these claims mean absolutely nothing so far, now that they've been revealed. In fact, I can only see irony in the fact that last time Prims was Masons I'm pretty sure it was with Serela, and they weren't really Masons.
That was drrawr, not Serela. Also please compare the context of that game to this one and realize that a HW/Serela scumteam would have been setting this shit up from ED1.
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I mean Serela's attitude from the get-go matches up with the claim and is the reason why I called the claim before it happened as a matter of fact.
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I wanted to claim in my first post to narrow down the lynch targets instantly while forcing scum to kill pseudoclears instead of potential strong power roles but Serela didn't want to. :(
This totally worked out better, though.
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That was drrawr, not Serela. Also please compare the context of that game to this one and realize that a HW/Serela scumteam would have been setting this shit up from ED1.
But you HAVE been setting this up from ED1
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looks like we're on the same wavelength
##Vote Raikaria
The case was really non-alignment-indicative and it's jarring that he keeps it going despite the claim. Want to see where he goes from here.
cut-- that's the point, they had to have decided to claim masons from the get-go which isn't THAT likely for Serela to agree to I think. Plus their claim is totally flavor-fantastic.
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Actually it's because of the claim that I think Serela may be a good lynch, aside from Serela's lack of anything useful. As I said, neither Huh What or Serela seem particularly pro-town, to me at least, and lynching Serela, well, if Serela flips town, doesn't that give us a confirmed town in Huh What at least?
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Raikaria, it isn't worth lynching masons on D1, but both of them rightfully shouldn't live to LYLO.
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Eh
Convince me that a Serela lynch is a good use of a lynch.
You have a claim backing him up and your case isn't that good.
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I mean don't you think his lazy play is such because he was a mason and had nothing to worry about?
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You also get confirmed town when scum or Zak kills me during the night.
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Raikaria, it isn't worth lynching masons on D1, but both of them rightfully shouldn't live to LYLO.
I'm not sure what's so bad about lynching one of two claimed 'masons', especially when neither seem too pro-town, D1, as it gives us a clear for Day 2 if they are indeed masons, and if they're not, it gives us an easy D2 lynch as well.
Can someone please explain why giving ourselves a clear for D2 in the worst-case scenario is a bad move?
Eh
Convince me that a Serela lynch is a good use of a lynch.
You have a claim backing him up and your case isn't that good.
Serela's posts are bad. He lurked and waffled and didn't give reads until pressured, which he didn't elaborate on. He is still sitting on his 'RVS' without having said 'This is why I'm now seriously voting this guy'.
Huh What isn't that much better.
Worst-case scenario: We lynch one of two masons. Huh What is now clear. This is a significantly better Worst-case than, say, lynching me, which will lose you a town role for no clears.
Best Case-Senario: Serela is not a mason, and they're gambitting. Huh What is confirmed scum, giving us two scum down D2.
You also get confirmed town when scum or Zak kills me during the night.
On the assumption that there is not a single role capable of protection in the entire town in a Role Madness game, and they are derpy enough to not protect confirmed town.
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Also I trust the known setup flavor about as much as I trust that Serela is a guy.
Which is to say, not very much. Having them be two random fuckwits that were important for maybe 3 episodes certainly doesn't autoconfirm them town.
Anyway I will totally read stuff tomorrow and get more reads.
@cut: Two Masons softclearing eachother either means they're both scum or both town. We can get better chances lynching someone else and leaving their fate to some random kill or lynching them later, closer to LYLO.
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Zak is probably town too though. I can think of some non-Yuno characters who fit the bill. Or at least one anyway.
It's a bad move to lynch one of the masons, Raikaria, because they're not scummy enough to warrant that. In fact they're not scummy at all but that's my opinion I guess. Go ahead and explain how they're both scummy enough for the deed and how there's no better idea for a lynch.
I'm mainly thinking that it's unreasonable to be pushing this over other things. They're just not scummy enough for that. Rejoice in the fucking mason play and how huhwhat probably wouldn't run the same gambit again and how their characters are solid claims.
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NNR if there's anyone in the anime fitting to be masons it's them and I totally would have put them in if I were the mod.
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If they're both town, then whatever, they're not a threat to town. If they're both scum, once one of them dies later, we'll have no difficulty lynching the other one for sure.
Find someone else to vote, Raikaria.
@BT: Masons, Neighbors, Scum Masons, whatever, flavor confirms are stupid.
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On the assumption that there is not a single role capable of protection in the entire town in a Role Madness game, and they are derpy enough to not protect confirmed town.
A. Since when is Prims confirmed town?
B. Considering you just espoused the wonders of lynching a mason, why would you expect a doctor or similar to protect them when them dying gives us a free clear without us wasting a lynch?
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@ BT: And what's so good about Serela/Huh What that makes them trustworthy? I see nothing pro-town either. I see Huh What being... Huh What, and Serela Serelaflailing. At the same time, with each other.
Eh, I'mma gonna think on this for a while.
A. Since when is Prims confirmed town?
B. Considering you just espoused the wonders of lynching a mason, why would you expect a doctor or similar to protect them when them dying gives us a free clear without us wasting a lynch?
Did you even read?
Lynch Serela -> Other mason is confirmed IF Serela is a mason -> People protect the confirmed town so Huh What isn't killed -> We have a clear for D2, making any cop's job easier to picking out the right people, or any item-based roles a safe choice, ect, ect.
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@ BT: And what's so good about Serela/Huh What that makes them trustworthy? I see nothing pro-town either. I see Huh What being... Huh What, and Serela Serelaflailing. At the same time, with each other.
This is a really scummy argument because it lets you use buzzwords to dismiss us without actually explaining why anything we've done has scum intent.
You're the one trying to get Serela lynched, burden of proof is on you.
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I've already explained what Serela has done; or more specifically, not done. I'm not the only one who has said Serela feels completely useless, nor am I the only one to say you don't look that town with your actions.
I also said I'm going to reconsider based on the 'Lynching masosn D1 to give us a D2 clear is a bad idea' vibe.
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And so my next post will be about CF7.
Not that there's much to post about CF7.
I don't particularly like this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020620.html#msg1020620).
It's hard to take too seriously, considering the time frame that the post was made in, but it's still something akin to AtE.
Combine that with how he defends Kilga in the following examples:
And tho i don't like OMGUS votes much, they're forced and defensive, Kilgamayan is probably town.
Well it's not as contradictory. Kilgamayan said that he was half asleep and he might have not OMGUS'ed me if he was more awake at that moment. So probably was um... "decision made under influence" Something like that.
I don't like it.
That point is largely just my own personal bias though, and not what my suspicion of CF7 is based on.
Rather, it's more about these lines:
##unvote
##Vote HW. Unless he can explain how Serela is a confirmed town.
At the time, this really stuck out to me. Still does.
I don't think I was alone in assuming that HW was joking about Serela being confirmed town at this point.
However, CF7 latches onto the point that NNR makes about this and presents it without having added any of his own thoughts to it.
CF7 doesn't bother explaining why HW should have to provide the explanation that he's demanding, nor does he explain why HW supposedly knowing Serela's alignment at the time causes HW to be scum.
When you consider that CF7's vote is still on HW for this reason, to me, it looks as though CF7 was simply searching for an interesting target to park his vote on.
After all, by voting for an unorthodox target in HW, CF7 can pretend that he's contributing by following unique lines of thought in an attempt to find scum.
And then you have this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020772.html#msg1020772) and this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021110.html#msg1021110).
Like Raikaria, the words in this particular post seems like he's playing up his own victimization and attempting to appeal to our emotions.
The apathetic tone that the first post is delivered in, given the "Oh, well" at the end, makes it seem like to me that CF7 is trying to mask his true intentions by making it appear as though he hasn't given his actions much thought in general.
However, to me, CF7 just isn't that interesting right now.
Instead, I'll just be waiting on the conclusions of the reading that he promised in his latest post.
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You know, maybe I should just give up at this point.
However, I will still try to get another post out.
Not sure if I will actually manage to though, since I have assignments to work on and summaries to write.
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Okay i'll bite.
Special exclusive case on Schezo. Antagonizing lots of people. Aggressive attitude. I'm not sure if it's normal behavior, but i'm guessing it is. Probably is scumhunting town. Still.
And now that aside.
Yoshino wall on Raikaria is well... quite nitpicky. Not sure what to make out of this, but likely not town. On the other hand his wall about Serela is quite good, so he might be town.
Raikaria. I'm not sure what to make out of this.
NNR overly defensive behavior is not so good.
HW somehow sticking to his Serela is town thing. I think joke went for a long enough and went stale. Also his posts are quite empty and well, i think he is scum.
In the light of HW posts Serela might be scum too, or if HW is scum it might be some crafty plan to discredit Serela so we think that he's scum, when he is town. But likely scum.
Can't say much about Zakeri. He's probably town. But his jump on BT's wagon looks scummy to me.
Kilgamayan's posts tip me off in some way. Maybe it's just his attitude. Leaning on town.
BT gave some reads and then disappeared.
Pretty much same thing with SB.
BBM is likely town.
Conq. can lean either way to be honest. I think he's town.
Paperblade. Sort of lurking. Sort of not saying much. And sort of defending HW and Serela. Who might be scum.
Overall lots of people are jumping around with their votes and it's confusing. Probably have to reread this mess again.
Not only does lynching Serela prove your claim, and sort out this claim pile, but it also gets rid of someone not contributing in any meaningful way at all. Seems like a good lynch to me, and it's hardly 'The one with the least effort'. That would probobly be CF9 for lurkscum.
Okay, screw it. It's your funeral.
##unvote
##Vote Raikaria.
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Serela and I are probably scum, so you're voting Raikaria?
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Not to mention his quote on me makes his vote clearly OMGUS for me accusing him of being somewhat lurky.
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I don't even know what to say to half of that.
So instead I'll point out that this
I also said I'm going to reconsider based on the 'Lynching masosn D1 to give us a D2 clear is a bad idea' vibe.
shouldn't be taking such a long time. Either you agree or not.
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Part of the reconsideration is re-reading to decide where my vote should now go, lest I get shouted at for an empty unvote again.
You guys aren't happy either way, are you?
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No nevermind that's fine.
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Actually, I don't even need to really re-read and come to a conclusion on several other people after CF7's most recent post. It strikes me as being really bad.
He says Serela and Huh What are probobly scum. I'm pushing those two. Then he sees I call him lurky and he votes me. Despite the fact he sees the people I'm pushing as scum, and said I'm more null.
That's just OMGUS, completely contrary to his 'reads' and a complete lack of effort as well. Also, giving out townreads is like sending a signal to the scums 'HIT THESE GUYS', which isn't good either.
He also makes no mention of the whole mason issue, he seems to think Huhwhat's 'clear' on Serela is a joke. Shows he may not have even read properly.
That post he just made was really, really bad. As was his logic for voting.
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
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Also the lack of actual reasoning for voting me beyond me calling out his activity and saying he would be a 'no effort' vote on my part at the time also feels like he just wants to wagon ride.
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1.6: Perfect Votecount
Why does a five-year old know how to use poisons anyways?!
Raikaria (6): Celery, Dormio, NekoNekoRex, huh what, BT, CF7
Dormio (2): BigBangMeteor, Paperblade
CF7 (2): Kilgamayan, Raikaria
Zakeri (1): Serious Bananas
BT (3): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri
Not voting: No one \o/
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 16 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130916T2345&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+1)
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I can't tell if this is a joke or not but if it isn't then it's craplogic for reasons that shouldn't need to be explained. :|
Also TBH I'm not really satisfied with your content so far in general, feels like you're not really taking your vote seriously at all. Why should we be voting CF7 and not the other lurker dudes which there are a lot of?
For someone that claims Invasion is his favorite game to reread you sure say a lot of things that suggest you've never read it once.
I don't appreciate anyone that tries/d to pigeonhole my CF7 vote into "lurker lynch" because that's not either of the reasons I cited for voting him. I've also been very vocally anti-D1 LAL in the past.
##Unvote, ##Vote: Dormio
243 made me change my mind here. An in-depth post on Serela that (a) comes to no meaningful conclusion, and (b) makes no effort to reconcile Prims's concretely-presented claim about Serela's alignment. This is fake content of the highest caliber and 250 is an hilarious RiA handwave that screams of scum that got called on their bullshit immediately.
Okay post 266 and most everything onward would change my vote Raikaria if it wouldn't put him at L-1.
Already late for work because I read all of this drivel, so this is all you're getting for the time being. ヽ(￣▽￣)ノ (I know my opinion of Zakeri is desired, it'll come next chance I have.)
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Raikaria, personally i think that you're SK.
About HW/Serela being masons. Since when we're believing claims on D1 when the one who's claiming don't even have wagon on them? Also where's the proof that masons actually are here in this setup? That just pulling stuff out of thin air. So, no it doesn't make HW claim any townier to me.
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What's RiA?
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(b) makes no effort to reconcile Prims's concretely-presented claim about Serela's alignment.
I'm 100% serious when I say my role PM tells me Serela is town-aligned.
Forgive me if this makes me somewhat sceptical, but I didn't really see this as a definite claim or anything.
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Raikaria, personally i think that you're SK.
About HW/Serela being masons. Since when we're believing claims on D1 when the one who's claiming don't even have wagon on them? Also where's the proof that masons actually are here in this setup? That just pulling stuff out of thin air. So, no it doesn't make HW claim any townier to me.
Mind explaining how you think I am SK?
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Quickposting from work yay
I'm not going to have a chance to sit down and properly reread Zakeri for the next 12 hours. "Sorry." I can at least say he has yet to be so objectionable that I would vote for ahead of anyone I've actively voiced displeasure with.
Dormio: Refuge in Audacity. Also I'd say "I have 100% reason to believe X is town" is something one should account for in some capacity when admonishing X. Nevertheless!
##Unvote, ##Vote: CF7
His laughable criticism of the mason claim made me go back and briefly check to see if he had moved his vote off of Prims. I must have only skimmed the post where he did flip to Raikaria because wow is that post bad upon going back to it. Unsubstantiated reads on everyone, and a completely reasonless vote for Raikaria, whose wagon is one I no longer want anything to do with today with such a scummy opportunistic jump onto it. Long live my ED1 case.
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Ehh not a 100% with Dormio but I'm growing more and more dis-enthused with him as a wagon when there are worse offenders atm.
I have nothing good to say about Raikaria's Serela push but he is probably not scum because I don't think he's the type of person who'd go with refuge in audacity? Also it doesn't make sense to me for him to keep pushing the Serela thing when he was getting more and more votes for it and until he went to like 6 votes.
I mostly agree with what others have said about CF7's Raikaria vote and have nothing more to add there. I'll vote here for consolidation purposes if necessary but for now:
##Unvote, ##Vote: BT
It took him forever and a half to commit to something and when he did, it was The Easiest Wagon in The World, and even then his push was really half-hearted and his language had a really passive tone.
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Mind explaining how you think I am SK?
Well, your overall behavior. First you're acting silly, people call you on it. Then you try to play normally. Give scum reads, and all that. Votes Serela, and then out of blue suggest let's lynch a lurker. Which is me and which is not entirely correct.
Considering other people are suspecting that you're scum, whom i think scum themselves, either it's a really heavy bussing on their part, or you're really SK.
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Also I don't trust Zak. Masons + a role that has someone else as a confirmed townie is a lot of clears off the bat in a 14p game. It would either hint at a super buff anti-town or an otherwise rather weak town. And we also have like one ascetic and a second functional ascetic (whatever that means) so ???
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Well, your overall behavior. First you're acting silly, people call you on it. Then you try to play normally. Give scum reads, and all that. Votes Serela, and then out of blue suggest let's lynch a lurker. Which is me and which is not entirely correct.
Considering other people are suspecting that you're scum, whom i think scum themselves, either it's a really heavy bussing on their part, or you're really SK.
I never suggested to lynch you, I said it was an example of a more 'no-effort involved vote' because I was accused of 'parking on the easiest target'. At no point did I say I wish to lynch you. And you were pretty lurky, and hadn't contributed.
At least, I never suggested to lynch you until I actually voted you. Because of your really bad post a bit back. Now I'm suggesting to lynch you.
Not to mention if I was an SK, why would I have openly used one of my role powers already? Surely I would want to lie low to fulfill my wincon?
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Well, your overall behavior. First you're acting silly, people call you on it. Then you try to play normally. Give scum reads, and all that. Votes Serela, and then out of blue suggest let's lynch a lurker. Which is me and which is not entirely correct.
Considering other people are suspecting that you're scum, whom i think scum themselves, either it's a really heavy bussing on their part, or you're really SK.
what
How does any of that lead to direct "he's a SK over scum" thing though? I'm almost 90% sure if someone didn't say SK earlier in this game you wouldn't be making this argument. So because there's people who could be bussing if he's Raikaria scum you instead want to handwave that to make their cases valid. Because at the end of the day, mafia don't want a SK around either. They can go after him with a legitimate case and gain much desired town cred for having lynched an antitown force. So if he's a SK you're saying all the mafia on him have a point when when people bus they also tend to have a point on their partner anyway.
Anyways Raikaria is hilariously bad but being scumwagoned right now.
BT's content since I left consists of hoping on the easiest wagon ever and making flavor arguments. Like anyone gives a fuck about flavor. And it's not like just 1 post it's the majority of his content. The masons could be two people who hate each other's guts in the story and I would not care. Because he's giving the masons a clear less because of their actions (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021142.html#msg1021142), (Serela has none lol) and more because they're flavor fantastic which is hilarious. I mean he's going to sit there and townread Zakeri (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021150.html#msg1021150) because his character matches his claim which is what every fucking scum fakeclaim is ever.
Voting goes here.
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I never suggested to lynch you, I said it was an example of a more 'no-effort involved vote' because I was accused of 'parking on the easiest target'. At no point did I say I wish to lynch you. And you were pretty lurky, and hadn't contributed.
I wasn't lurking i was sleeping. When i get to my pc i started writing summary of my thoughts on people.
At least, I never suggested to lynch you until I actually voted you. Because of your really bad post a bit back. Now I'm suggesting to lynch you.
The worst part of my post, i'm guessing, is jumping on your wagon. Without any reasoning, which i explained a bit later after that.
Not to mention if I was an SK, why would I have openly used one of my role powers already? Surely I would want to lie low to fulfill my wincon?
Hm... I might be missing something about the role powers you're talking about... From my observations lying low here is considering scummy.
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what
How does any of that lead to direct "he's a SK over scum" thing though? I'm almost 90% sure if someone didn't say SK earlier in this game you wouldn't be making this argument. So because there's people who could be bussing if he's Raikaria scum you instead want to handwave that to make their cases valid. Because at the end of the day, mafia don't want a SK around either. They can go after him with a legitimate case and gain much desired town cred for having lynched an antitown force. So if he's a SK you're saying all the mafia on him have a point when when people bus they also tend to have a point on their partner anyway.
Actually it's quite possible. We have 14 people. So we probably have 3 mafia scums, alleged masons. Probably doctor. People also claimed 2 ascetics. Might consider cult. And so on. And SK actually fits in this quite easily. So my point still stands.
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I used my role power on Conq. You should see what it does later.
The worst part of your post was indeed jumping on the wagon. However, this is also combined with the fact that the 'straw' was my off-hand comment about you, which is a very flimsy reason, the fact you were giving out strong townreads, which is painting targets on people, the fact you say HuhWhat/Serela are scum, in which case voting them over me would be smart since by lynching one you would confirm the other as well, and your argument for me being an SK is just silly.
It's not just your baseless vote on me at the time. And I'm not the only one who said your post was awful.
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So i intentionally didn't bring it up initially because I wanted CF7 to clarift on his own just to be sure I was reading his lack of reasoning correctly, but part of his explanation in #305 sure sounds like the Raikaria vote is an OMGUS. I would only normally put X amount of stock in the scumminess of OMGUS votes, but given we're talking about CF7 here the action is particularly displeasing.
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So what about his play makes him SK and not mafia?
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His playing around.
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Also a bit more on Raikaria. His reaction to his wagon was pretty relaxed. And only after my, i admit, badly worded vote he went a bit more vocal.
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The things I was trying to explain last night have magically come to fruition more then I expected overnight.
What I was saying when I was super sleepy: Here's 5 people who aren't looking too hot, but since it's TWENTY FOUR HOURS INTO THE GAME it really does not seem worth the effort to bother making a case on them. Seriously, this early in the game, the next post they make is practically more important then their previous posts. It's early enough where even if they look pretty bad, if their next post is fine they're pretty much entirely in the clear again.
So I literally cannot summon the care to effort up a case that early. Dormio was kind of right in his assessment, except I also was working towards (what I believe) is a decent way of catching scum?
Back to what I was saying, the 5 people who aren't looking so hot, several of them are probably going to start looking significantly better in a post or two (hence cannot care enough to heavily analyze), the ones who can't improve whilst being pressured are IMO pretty good places to be hunting for scum. (At the least, it's a very accurate way to find Serela!scum >_>) Well lookie here, Zak is off the list, CF7 is ????? (getting to that later) and I'm gonna talk about Raikaria a good bit right now.
Raikaria is under pressure to make a case after he blank unvotes, he's a wagon, he has to come up with something and not dilly dally because deadline is pretty looming right now, so he gets onto the most obvious vote in the game. Issue is that it's a completely horrible vote for reasons several other people have already gone over. Gets a ton of flak and immediately gets on the next colossally bad post that comes up!
But, I'm not sure if this actually makes Raikaria scummy or not. He presents some other people in his post as being scummy looking too, and people are even considering lynching them. But he voted me instead, which given the situation WOULDN'T SCUM KNOW THAT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA??? HW is waffling on Rai in our QT for the same reason. I'm not sure if this is town acting illogically because they want their preferred lynch over looking good (scum wants to look good), or scum just being bad under pressure.
HW somehow sticking to his Serela is town thing. I think joke went for a long enough and went stale. Also his posts are quite empty and well, i think he is scum.
In the light of HW posts Serela might be scum too, or if HW is scum it might be some crafty plan to discredit Serela so we think that he's scum, when he is town. But likely scum.
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About HW/Serela being masons. Since when we're believing claims on D1 when the one who's claiming don't even have wagon on them? Also where's the proof that masons actually are here in this setup? That just pulling stuff out of thin air. So, no it doesn't make HW claim any townier to me.
Me and Huhwhat are masons, I didn't want to claim it D1 but HW did and okay I guess this works out (it looks like I'd probably be the lynch otherwise anyway) The first part of this quote barely even makes sense. HW's posts are empty? Maybe it's my mason glasses but his posts (apart from having fun with being a mason) are pretty good IMO? Also, I mean, really, we're masons, if one of us is scum then we both have to be. I guess there's the part where I haven't reciprocated on the claim until now but by the time you made this post it'd been made p.clear we're masons.
Lacks reading comprehension
Second part, still doesn't make sense. First question is flawed semantics that I don't even know how to address because that's just not how things work in reality. Second part, um, no, you can't usually get solid proof on any roles, you're supposed to gauge whether it seems likely or not. Let's gauge whether or not it's likely; do you think in a setup with (probably) 3 scum that two of them would immediately draw attention to themselves and tie themselves together, in a way that's probably going to occur in one getting lynched and the next getting turbolynched at some point? Scum fakeclaiming mason outside of a desperate situation (or in a place where meta means they probably will be perfectly fine) is a really risky gambit
and then you vote Raikaria for wanting to lynch me, and I Am Confuse. Although, yes, Raikaria's post isn't good either, the vote is ??? and the fact that you didn't provide any explanation doesn't help. It's pretty much as close to "blatantly sheeping onto the new popular wagon with everyone else" as it gets, because it even goes against the scumhunting opinions you had earlier in your post.
You just said you explained your vote on Raikaria later. I DON'T SEE IT. The only thing you've mentioned about Raikaria is "I think you're SK." This makes me go whaaaaaaat??? (Cut by a post talking a little more about the vote, but "his reaction was relaxed", I don't really get how this contributes to your voting reasons)
##unvote ##Vote CF7 okay it's time to actually read page 11 I've been putting it off
It took him forever and a half to commit to something and when he did, it was The Easiest Wagon in The World, and even then his push was really half-hearted
Similar to how I was feeling about BT when I got to this part of the thread on my catching up, still not feeling great about BT but I feel like there's bigger priorities ATM (Then again I haven't gotten into consolidation mode mentally yet)
Has SB posted in the past 24 hours???
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also it looks like I probably need to reread Dormio soon
Wait isn't there someone I'm forgetting about, man it's terrible when I have to go back and read my own posts to remember what I was doing
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Wait isn't there someone I'm forgetting about
Right, it was NNR.
His only scum suspect (after the me/hw thing was cleared up) was Zak, which also is explained at this point why he was acting so weird, so I'm curious what NNR is going to have to say now when he comes back. Not looking great either but it pretty much entirely depends on what his new post ends up being
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but it pretty much entirely depends on what his new post ends up being
then again with the recent events it's become almost impossible to not have cool opinions on stuff, but, whatever, the zak line of pursual fizzling wasn't his fault and the HW tunnels were bad but not completely damning
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Actually i'm technically a VT with really nasty modifier, and i really don't like to see this modifier in action, so it might actually be beneficial to lynch me. But in case you decide not to do it, lynching Raikaria is the next best thing, imo.
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so after returning to the thread and seeing that it's doubled in size since my last content post, i decide that my timezone sucks for mafia
reading now
also hey bbm
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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cf7: if it's pgo or miller or anything that can interfere with investigation results you should claim it
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1.7: Votecount Heaven
Take 1 shot everytime a number is used instead of a Diary Holder's name!
Raikaria (5): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, huh what, BT, CF7
Dormio (1): Paperblade
CF7 (3): Kilgamayan, Raikaria, Selerey
Zakeri (1): Serious Bananas
BT (4): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri, BBM
Not voting: No one \o/
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 11 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130916T2345&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+1)
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It's not a pgo and it's not a miller. But i can't say more without breaking the rules.
Also to Serela. If you and HW are masons then why HW is actually practically shouting this in the thread? It's kind of counterproductive to the whole masons thing. I.e. townies who know each other. Basically claiming that, you painting yourself a target for the scum. Unless it's a really risky gambit as you described. Which is high risk high reward.
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it wouldn't have been as bad if other people weren't making it blatantly obvious they picked up on it
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having connection issues so im borrowing someone else's computer real quick
i will say though that i just got the ability to talk in the thread at night via raikaria im assuming
could only skim so far but bt lollygagging through the day to jump on raikaria for this
The case was really non-alignment-indicative and it's jarring that he keeps it going despite the claim. Want to see where he goes from here.
is really really weak. so now that raikaria's moved elsewhere, what's the justification for your vote?
will make a more comprehensive post later when i can actually sit down to read the thread
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If you and HW are masons then why HW is actually practically shouting this in the thread?
because HW is silly
I thought it'd be better to claim it a little later in the game (assuming we weren't lynch candidates) to make it a powerful PoE tool, but then this happened. As he's already said in the thread, this way people don't have to analyze us like we were not-masons and we're likely NK targets instead of potential powerful town PRs.
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:oCF7, why do you keep your vote on Raikaria when
- You believe Primserela is a scumpair
- Your accusation of him being SK seems at least partially predicated on a Primserela scum pair
- You keep attacking the credibility of the Primserela mason claim
?
Your actions don't match your vote at all, which makes it look that much more opportunistic a jump onto an easy-at-the-time wagon. We're not even guaranteed there's a third party in the setup. I would expect a townie in your position to push for the scum lynch, not the anti-town-role-that-might-be-in-the-game lynch.
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Not to mention the 'scum lynch' that would reveal two scums. Why shoot for one that, as Kilga says, may not even be in the setup, when you have two suspects that would clear or condemn each other?
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Basically wouldn't a townie that suspects me and Serela+Huh rather go for the two-for-one offer?
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This seems kind of like a trap question when it seems fairly obvious that me/HW are not getting lynched today
However the fact that CF7's actual vote is both A.The other person who agrees on me/hw scum and B.He thinks they're a third party (which we have to reason to think is around, so far), rather then thinking they're scum
those are both whattt
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Basically it's guesswork without knowing anything. Like an equation with all unknowns. I'm still suspicious of that out of nowhere masons claim. Justification "HW is silly" is wonky at best. Still there's no single vote on any of them. Somehow noone except me haven't thought about that they actually might be scum. Yes it's risky. Yet it's highly profitable in return. From what i've seen and can say, that HW likes to gamble somewhat in mafia. So why not? But starting the wagon that noone might follow is, well... waste of a vote. Plus even if we don't have a third party it doesn't make Raikaria any less scummy. Something like that.
Anyway work hours are over. Will be back in an hour or so.
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BT's content since I left consists of hoping on the easiest wagon ever and making flavor arguments. Like anyone gives a fuck about flavor. And it's not like just 1 post it's the majority of his content. The masons could be two people who hate each other's guts in the story and I would not care. Because he's giving the masons a clear less because of their actions, (Serela has none lol) and more because they're flavor fantastic which is hilarious. I mean he's going to sit there and townread Zakeri because his character matches his claim which is what every fucking scum fakeclaim is ever.
Voting goes here.
None of this is true.
Real talk: people are assuming that Scum!Rai would have realized that lynchig Serela is bad but I really don't think so. The fact that he thought to bring the agrument up in the first place is probably proof that he thought he'd be able to convince people that lynching the mason is useful. He got told otherwise and dropped it.
Raikaria's vote on Serela was cast before huhwhat claimed masons which means the vote was a lot more compelling when he first opted to cast it. That he'd choose to go with the Serela route and not just vote Dormio is noteworthy, I guess. The arguments against both are pretty much crap and scum!him could have worded it differently to join the Dormio wagon. Though, again, he probably thought he had a good argument with the "this vote will solve hw/zak problems" thing so that would explain why he thought Serela was a better vote.
It comes down to his content today and it's crap. Serela/Dormio is all buzzwords. When he needs to switch off of Serela, all the other names he dropped in the last post are a thing of the past as he just proceeds to jump on the easy opportunity given.
The CF7 post in question is giving me a headache. I'd roll with the "unsubstantiated reads" thing but his reads look like that all the time. Okay no the problem is here:
Raikaria. I'm not sure what to make out of this.
Well, your overall behavior. First you're acting silly, people call you on it. Then you try to play normally. Give scum reads, and all that. Votes Serela, and then out of blue suggest let's lynch a lurker. Which is me and which is not entirely correct.
Considering other people are suspecting that you're scum, whom i think scum themselves, either it's a really heavy bussing on their part, or you're really SK.
Basically it escalated too fast. Second post almost makes it sound like a building suspicion from ED1 but first post disproves that.
CF7 and Raikaria are actually really similar because both basically jumped on eachother, both have questionable content. CF7's claim sounds townish but that's it. Latest post stretches that there was no single vote on serela/huhwhat which isn't true. Fuck.
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@Zak when you see this, does your characters name have 5 vowels in it
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Part of the reconsideration is re-reading to decide where my vote should now go, lest I get shouted at for an empty unvote again.
You guys aren't happy either way, are you?
Okay so this rereading presumably started here:
@ BT: And what's so good about Serela/Huh What that makes them trustworthy? I see nothing pro-town either. I see Huh What being... Huh What, and Serela Serelaflailing. At the same time, with each other.
Eh, I'mma gonna think on this for a while.
An hour before CF7 came along and he said fuck it and voted.
If he was in the process of rereading he pretty much aborted that and now he's still harping on the CF7 thing and doing nothing else, because having a vote is the important thing.
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This seems kind of like a trap question when it seems fairly obvious that me/HW are not getting lynched today
It's a question based on CF7's own horrible logic. If by his PoV you are Huh What are scum, what possible justification would there be for voting me over voting someone you think is part of a scumpair that would confirm the other being scum?
It doesn't matter that you're not getting lynched. It's a question about CF7's logic. Or lack thereof.
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Also I guess I should explain what my command earlier does, seeing as I'm kinda a wagon.
As a Day Action, by posting in the thread, every day, I can 'Curse' someone with Insomnia, enabling them to speak during the night phase in the thread.
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I admit it's rather unlikely that either mason claim is getting lynched today, but the vote was not cast out of consolidation pressure. You push who you think is most likely to be scum until the environment forces you elsewhere. (Not just vote, but actively push - voting for Serela and then going off to do something else at that juncture would not have been any better and in fact probably would have been worse.)
Prims can get as irritated with me as I imagine he is for even suggesting this line of thought as possible, but I've watched, been party to, and even orchestrated some really bizarre day-ending lynches in the past.
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It's a question based on CF7's own horrible logic. If by his PoV you are Huh What are scum, what possible justification would there be for voting me over voting someone you think is part of a scumpair that would confirm the other being scum?
It doesn't matter that you're not getting lynched. It's a question about CF7's logic. Or lack thereof.
No Serela's right. The answer is that you're likely to be lynched and they're not. That's why he did it.
Bleh though. Raikaria's action can be confirmed d2 as "not a joat" and it's probably town. Which means another easy-to-clear role. Uhh.
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No. If it's a scum role then it's pretty much the team goon. Action can be used both on buddies and on town. That's fine.
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Bleh though. Raikaria's action can be confirmed d2 as "not a joat" and it's probably town. Which means another easy-to-clear role. Uhh.
I think that's taking it a bit too far. This is Shadoweh, and I would not put it past her to include a scum with an effect that might seem pro-town (but actually does something else too, or even just purely looks pro-town and they use it because giving someone nighttalk (?) isn't a big problem)
Being someone who put a similar "try to outguess the mod at your own risk" warning in their own setup this is the kind of thing I can easily imagine myself doing!
I'd treat the role as we currently understand it to be null.
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oh you just corrected it, I didn't get a "new post" warning
huh
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Apparently I can only do the Curse thingy once.
My role PM wasn't that clear on the issue. Still, I already said the command a while back, and have no intention of removing it.
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Oh and before anyone says 'Rai's a VT now he's a safe lynch' I'm not a VT. I have other stuff I do too. I'm just not inclined to share them at this moment, or able to do them at this moment.
After all, I'm of the opinion giving scum more information to work off is a bad thing.
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the last person i knew who tried to lynch a mason claim was scum
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Aww man, I missed an opportunity for nighttalk? ;_;
BT stop trying to game the role setup in a role madness game where we've been explicitly suggested away from doing exactly that.
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huh
Kilgamayan, i've got the best role and you want to lynch me. Life sucks.
Actually i'm technically a VT with really nasty modifier, and i really don't like to see this modifier in action, so it might actually be beneficial to lynch me. But in case you decide not to do it, lynching Raikaria is the next best thing, imo.
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It's a question based on CF7's own horrible logic. If by his PoV you are Huh What are scum, what possible justification would there be for voting me over voting someone you think is part of a scumpair that would confirm the other being scum?
It doesn't matter that you're not getting lynched. It's a question about CF7's logic. Or lack thereof.
Okay, let's leave my horrible logic aside. If it's not me and you. If HW/Serela are really masons. I guess i'll kill another hour reading all this...
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CF7 should answer BT.
I'm done catching up but structuring everything is gonna be a pain.
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What exactly should i answer?
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Why you blatantly contradicted yourself.
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Because one is a sarcastic joke and other is a claim.
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Can we just lynch Yosh all his posts are awful and people seem to be ignoring him fsr
I don't see a reason to lynch a mason today. I mean, I'm not gonna assume Prims is town but I don't think lynching Serela to get information on Prims is as useful as a lynch on someone who's acting a lot scummier. I'd probably vote Rai over BT since those seem to be the other two options for wagons, since nothing BT has said has struck me as scummy
Anyway I have to go to class, I should be able to get in more posts before deadline though
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CF7
Don't like this at all, just feels like AtE and isn't really a defense:
"Buh, i'm taking day 1 seriously, i'm scum, i'm NOT taking day 1 seriously i'm still scum. Oh, well."
"Special exclusive case on Schezo. Antagonizing lots of people. Aggressive attitude. I'm not sure if it's normal behavior, but i'm guessing it is. Probably is scumhunting town. Still. "
Apparently calling someone town is scumhunting. I didn't know that. The rest of his post is basically a listpost where a bunch of the people he talks about isn't actually accomponied by a read (why did you need to mention me and BT without saying anything on us?)
Also apparently playing around makes someone more likely to be an SK than mafia. Explain this logic please, CF7.
Raikaria
Dude, stop creditting yourself with ending RVS by being attacked. This doesn't make you any townier, and people who say that Raikaria is always scummy and shouldn't be lynched are really bad.
NNR
His #139 is really bad, it feels like he's just saying "stop ignoring me and justify your rvs post" with some meta.
Although honestly his frustration feels genuine, and honestly I'm reading him like he's town who's sick of repeating himself. I'm not sure if somewhat experienced scum would pursue this up to now considering all the flak he's been getting for it.
I also don't get why he's reluctant to vote Zak due to him having a low amount of reads on other players (as in, this is his reasoning AGAINST IT) so he should explain that.
Schezo
There's only one post that really strikes me as bad. It's the one where he votes Serela, even though in an earlier post he seemed to have picked up on Prims' mason crumbing and so the vote doesn't make any sense. Of course I could be wrong, but when he brought up the Confirmed Town thing I assumed he got it too.
Zak
i'm getting lazy so this is taken directly from my quicktopic
zak's #219 is like "i have a reason, i'm gonna go ahead and not tell you it" and also restricts his scumreads to people mentioned in serela's post for no real reason
said post also gives no solid reads whatsoever (null raik, calls bt out but doesn't commit, he pretty much calls cf7 a lurker), says he was trying to decide between town and nullreads over scumreads
zak's claim: ok, i think i know who he is now huh
maybe i should change my assessment of him
only thing is role things is making me waffle hard on zak right now (as in his combined with mine)
Honestly I'm finding Dormio unmemorable other than his tunneling, he's just kind of been this thing that's there and complained loudly about how he kept falling behind in posts, but I don't really find him memorable or anything. Same thing with BT, honestly, his play's been worse than usual but honestly I don't remember off of the top of my head anything super scummy he's done besides the not laying down a vote for a while thing, and I think other people look worse than that. I wouldn't object to either of their lynches but I don't have an overwhelming desire to lynch either of them.
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
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1) You never actually gave a clear opinion on Rai.
2) You said you disliked CF7 earlier. People are talking about him and he's a wagon.
Raikaria
Dude, stop creditting yourself with ending RVS by being attacked. This doesn't make you any townier, and people who say that Raikaria is always scummy and shouldn't be lynched are really bad.
Really outdated?
Anyway Re: CF7's response, it checks out and actually strengthens his claim.
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If you mean the "I was joking" it's a null imo since it could go either way easily.
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Don't think it's completely null, but I guess it isn't groundbreaking.
Really though is that all you have to say on Raikaria at this stage?
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Everything from my old posts on him still applies too.
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None of this is true.
That (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021150.html#msg1021150) is the only mention you have of Zakeri in a while and from what I can tell you're townreading him because his flavor matches up. The other part is half flavor half masons so meh.
You don't trust him solely because of a setup you haven't seen the entirety of?
SB feels like he's beating a dead horse with a stick. I mean CF7 already answered this after I asked itAlso apparently playing around makes someone more likely to be an SK than mafia. Explain this logic please, CF7.
So I mean it was a terrible answer (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021222.html#msg1021222) but it's there so why not just address the next step instead of going from square 1?
And the "blatant contradiction" thing from CF7 is the least damning thing he's done so it's hrrr drr? Why pick that one to nail him with the hardest?
Everything you said about Raikaria in your own post would be fine if it wasn't identical to what you just said about him now.
Raikaria feels like he's just victimizing himself a lot and using self meta to try and help himself out isn't really helping his case. Also in his next post it feels like he waffles on Serela a bit, in the previous he says Serela's actions are scummy but then says this "That said, if not for Serela's reaction, we'd probably still be *in* RVS." which implies that Serela doing this was helpful and makes him appear town. I also feel like he's going out of his way to avoid dropping his vote and getting associated with any wagon, which is pretty bad.
Dude, stop crediting yourself with ending RVS by being attacked. This doesn't make you any townier, and people who say that Raikaria is always scummy and shouldn't be lynched are really bad.
There's a lot more that's happened with Raikaria in between the victimizing and the RVS stuff so no update on that?
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That (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021150.html#msg1021150) is the only mention you have of Zakeri in a while and from what I can tell you're townreading him because his flavor matches up.
Nah it was my opinion on huhwhat matching it up with a serial killer. I think the claim's town because I don't think his reaction to huhwhat's conf. town shtick is fake and while it's possible for non-town with that information to deliberately react like that I doubt that's what happened.
Everything from my old posts on him still applies too.
But it's still outdated. He's voting your vote, he claimed and he distrusts the masons and the only thing you add is that people handwaving Raikaria's lynch are bad. This isn't any better as I can't tell what you think of him.
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Anyway, going to sleep.
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FWIW I thought CF7's early-day "claim" was sarcasm and was genuinely surpised to see it brought up again in this capacity. I had honestly completely forgotten about it.
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##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
sheeping serela
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I had a good nap.
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Okay so :life: came up and I miiiiiiight be out later than originally planned. I'll keep the thread posted. It is more likely that this ends up being nothing and I get home at my normal Monday time (about 4 hours before deadline), but.
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I want more sleep.
Not much time, so just what I've gleaned from the topic for now.
CF7 is hilarious with the outrage and the talk about SKs, paranoia?
6.5 hours left so I'll probably be in class during deadline, though I will probably have access.
Will switch to CF7 if necessary.
There's a lot more that's happened with Raikaria in between the victimizing and the RVS stuff so no update on that?
Either missed whatever that was, or didn't think it was important enough.
Probably a combination of both.
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I was talking to SB but okie dokie Dormio.
I will shamelessly lynch CF7 if he wants to go bugger off without a claim near deadline.
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You can tell how sleep deprived I am when I read "Serious Bananas" as "Yoshino".
Fuck sleeping at 2AM and waking up at 6AM every day.
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CF7 is worse than Raikaria now for basically everything Kilga said when switching back. I've also cooled on scum!Raikaria a little now that I'm not frustrated about his Serela vote. He doesn't look good but he could be town, now.
I think BT is town. Fuck You All
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Modscum Votecount
CF7 (5): Kilgamayan, Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, huh what
Raikaria (4): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7
BT (4): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri, BBM
Dormio (1): Paperblade
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##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
Re-read relevant arguments and changed my mind. Also decided I'd rather sheep BT than Kilga right now.
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Well, your overall behavior. First you're acting silly, people call you on it. Then you try to play normally. Give scum reads, and all that. Votes Serela, and then out of blue suggest let's lynch a lurker. Which is me and which is not entirely correct.
Considering other people are suspecting that you're scum, whom i think scum themselves, either it's a really heavy bussing on their part, or you're really SK.
I think the logic in this post comes from very inexperienced town rather than scum intentionally pushing BS, and followed by this:
The worst part of my post, i'm guessing, is jumping on your wagon. Without any reasoning, which i explained a bit later after that.
it reads like CF7 thinks his post is reasonable because he believes in his own logic, even though it's weird as hell.
Also, CF7's justification for voting Raikaria because nobody would wagon Serela makes me feel better about him; he just should have mentioned it in his initial reads post.
Meanwhile, Raikaria's response to CF7's post was to jump him and use that as an excuse to not put effort into the game. So CF7 is now scum, sure. Why not re-read the game anyway if you still care about scumhunting? Your only real reads were on me and Serela and the push was really just a bunch of meta-buzzwords.
Anybody who thinks BT is scum (but especially Conq) is suspicious for not reading the posts of the person they're voting. Seriously. SB is also probably a maflord.
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As long as CF7 is gonna sod off for the evening, I might as well properly vocalize displease with Paperblade dropping a second lackluster post that suggests she's not really reading the game. Once (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021013.html#msg1021013) is an accident, twice (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021329.html#msg1021329) is a trend. I don't expect a wagon to form here (and would not switch off of CF7 to move to her), but this something I will want to see addressed.
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In short after re-reading I'm more inclined to think CF7 is town who is bad at presentation while I can see actual scum intent in Raikaria's posts.
Cut: Paperblade is a dude wwwww
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I'll add that Raikaria didn't address my arguments at all. A lot of them assume stuff about his play in a way that if he's town it's natural to just try explaining "what's really going on" (I daresay it's even easy) but he opted to ignore which is basically silent agreement.
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Huh What could you explain what suddenly made you decide CF7's completely logic-less vote isn't scummy?
It's probobly safe to assume Serela will sheep Huh What, so I'll claim in full now.
I am a Gift Giver. On top of my one-shot gift of my pain [The Curse] I can also gift the following to other players during the night:
- One-Shot Roleblock
- One-Shot Track
- One-Shot Coroner
The Coroner suggests that since 'flips are revealed in full' scum has a Janitor Shot. I am told I have 3 items, but it's not very clear if that means I can only gift each One-Shot once, or if I can gift the same thing 3 times, or what.
That said, Shadoweh's wording about his Curse being a one-shot wasn't clear either :/
I'll add that Raikaria didn't address my arguments at all. A lot of them assume stuff about his play in a way that if he's town it's natural to just try explaining "what's really going on" (I daresay it's even easy) but he opted to ignore which is basically silent agreement.
Which arguments were these? I may have missed them within all the 3 pages that happened while I slept, or you may have missed my response.
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1.8: Lost Votecount FOR THE CHILDREN
Was Eighth drawn by a different studio or something? WHY IS HER HEAD SO BIG?!
Raikaria (5): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what
Dormio (1): Paperblade
CF7 (4): Kilgamayan, Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas
BT (4): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri, BBM
Not voting: No one \o/
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 4 hours and 50 minutes remaining.
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Which arguments were these? I may have missed them within all the 3 pages that happened while I slept, or you may have missed my response.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021272.html#msg1021272
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021276.html#msg1021276
Was the curse a 'special' day action or something? Kind of confused. Also what's your char ftr.
Was Eighth drawn by a different studio or something? WHY IS HER HEAD SO BIG?!
seriously
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Why don't you iso BT and go see what you missed?
But. The only thing confirmed about this role is that it curses someone. He implied it allows nightspeak but it could also be a delayed kill in which case Raikaria is joat and wants another night to do stuff. Coronation is a red herring me thinks. This a scumclaim btw.
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I re-read it after the initial "damn that post looks bad" wore off and realized from his responses that he does have a thought process, it's just a very clueless one. I think he's town doing a poor job of explaining himself.
Also even ignoring what makes him look better I think your jump on him is more opportunistic than his on you because it saved you a bunch of actual effort. So!
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He implied it allows nightspeak but it could also be a delayed kill in which case Raikaria is joat and wants another night to do stuff.
It's actually nightspeak because Conq said so and lol he wouldn't tangle himself in this if he was a buddy.
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I think Conq/Raikaria is plausible, it just means Raikaria was being honest about the nightspeak effect.
imo Raikaria's claim is just null. I agree about the Coroner at least.
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Also, Serela and I aren't neighbors gambitting, just in case there really is a scum janitor and it wants to NK one of us then push that.
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The first of those posts doesn't have anything really directed at me to talk about, or at least that I see there to be a point to talking about.
As for the 2nd part, yes, because CF7's post there was so awful, and his reasons and logic for voting so bad, that it outdid everything else up to that point, and still does. I think it's the worst thing all game, which is why I'm voting CF7. I'm voting him because he's done what I see as the worst thing this game.
And if you want to know my character, I am Tsubaki Kasugano, the Sixth.
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The first of those posts doesn't have anything really directed at me to talk about, or at least that I see there to be a point to talking about.
As for the 2nd part, yes, because CF7's post there was so awful, and his reasons and logic for voting so bad, that it outdid everything else up to that point, and still does. I think it's the worst thing all game, which is why I'm voting CF7. I'm voting him because he's done what I see as the worst thing this game.
You don't really get it. Ever since CF7 I have no idea what you think about anything because you just stopped caring. CF7 being super scum is cool but that's not where the game ends unless you're scum and only care for a vote.
The first post claims that your reads were crap waiting for something more grand and I kind of expected some response to that.
But talk about your claim first.
HW: I meant that Conq wouldn't claim to have been nightspeak'd if it wasn't the case, he'd just go down with the ship. They can be buddies.
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Also even ignoring what makes him look better I think your jump on him is more opportunistic than his on you because it saved you a bunch of actual effort. So!
How about BT's jump on Raikaria after the initial casing on Serela, after which BT basically sits on Raikaria and scolds him for making a bad vote? Read the case the BT eventually makes on Raikaria. It's basically a white knight of the claimed masons + the claim that scum!Raikaria thought trying to push claimed masons would be a good idea to push when BT pushes out that he had a Dormio option that was equally valid. BT says that it's possible that Raikaria thought that lynch was possible, but I don't think scum Raikaria would be incompetent enough to not look at the game thread and look at the viability of huhwhat/Serela lynch (which was pretty much opposed by a majority of players). He says that Raikaria is all buzzwords, but what more has BT put out more than Raikaria? A bunch of prodding suspicions and poking but nothing definite until Raikaria puts his foot in his mouth and then BT jumps all onto that. At the very least, Raikaria's reaction to CF7's bad vote on him reads genuine. People are claiming it was an easy vote and he "didn't have to do any scumhunting after that" but if he thinks he's found CF7 scum, what else is he supposed to do at that point?
CF7's logic is so convolutedly bad it might be town, honestly. I think if he were scum he'd go the easier route of attacking Raikaria directly instead of trying to throw suspicion on the masons at the same time; imo the lack of consistency here is likelier to come from town who's confused about the state of the game. The willingness to be lynched and the going to sleep without a claim (if he were scum he'd be warier of being hammered in his sleep) are townish points in his favour too.
Basically I'm thinking Raikaria and CF7 got in a stupid slapfight and you have people like BT trying to take advantage of the situation. Vote BT.
Cool, I'm weird this game, I can tell too. Except as Kilga pointed out it wasn't hard for me to bs a reason and it's usually what I do as scum. In fact I don't remember any of my scum games where I decided to reason things out in spite of people telling me to just damn vote someone. You know how I play so I think I expected more and not this whatever vote for me being weird.
It's not something you usually do as scum, but it's not something you usually do as town either, so meta is completely irrelevant? Not sure what you're trying to say here and this feels like you're trying to discredit me.
Anybody who thinks BT is scum (but especially Conq) is suspicious for not reading the posts of the person they're voting. Seriously. SB is also probably a maflord.
I don't think you're reading BT's posts and you don't want to vote him because you've descended into paranoia about me being scum. Put your cards on the table or shut your dumb paranoia away where it belongs because honestly I'm tired of this happening every other game.
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I don't think you're reading BT's posts and you don't want to vote him because you've descended into paranoia about me being scum. Put your cards on the table or shut your dumb paranoia away where it belongs because honestly I'm tired of this happening every other game.
lmfao conq is scum
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Schezo do you actually think any of Raikaria/CF7/BT are town? I can't tell. Feels like you'd be fine with any of the wagons.
I'm off for now, will be back a few hours before deadline.
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lmfao conq is scum
try harder
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Conq is not posting like he does when he is town + is using AtE. I 100% guarantee he is mafia.
Not townreading BT because of the people voting him, btw (yeah most are iffy but I think Schezo looks pretty good at least). His posts just don't read pre-planned to me.
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You don't really get it. Ever since CF7 I have no idea what you think about anything because you just stopped caring. CF7 being super scum is cool but that's not where the game ends unless you're scum and only care for a vote.
The first post claims that your reads were crap waiting for something more grand and I kind of expected some response to that.
But talk about your claim first.
HW: I meant that Conq wouldn't claim to have been nightspeak'd if it wasn't the case, he'd just go down with the ship. They can be buddies.
Maybe I'm tunneling on CF7 because otherwise I'm likely to get lynched and my role is pretty powerful? [Assuming I don't buff scums BUT HEY MASONS. Who by the way could easily confirm me tomorrow.]
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Assumeing, of course, I don't get roleblocked/killed/the mason I give an item to dies/assumeing they're even masons.
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Also I'm perfectly willing to vote BT for Not Me Over Me, although I do think CF7 is far more likely scum, I'm not too impressed by BT [I'm kinda reading him null, which is odd, since I usually read him town].
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Anybody pushing "Raikaria wouldn't do irrational things as scum" is silly because he last rolled mafia in Rewrite, and his entire play that game was doing irrational things as scum.
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Like he literally voted over several bullshit paranoia cases that had no case of taking off in that game. There's precedent for him doing dumb shit he can't actually push when rolling scum.
I agree with Conq about CF7 entirely btw (:smug: remark about scum telling us why townies are town goes here).
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It also bugs me that Raikaria is basically using his claim to beg to be kept alive when provable roles obviously don't mean anything in this set-up.
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How about BT's jump on Raikaria after the initial casing on Serela, after which BT basically sits on Raikaria and scolds him for making a bad vote? Read the case the BT eventually makes on Raikaria. It's basically a white knight of the claimed masons + the claim that scum!Raikaria thought trying to push claimed masons would be a good idea to push when BT pushes out that he had a Dormio option that was equally valid. BT says that it's possible that Raikaria thought that lynch was possible, but I don't think scum Raikaria would be incompetent enough to not look at the game thread and look at the viability of huhwhat/Serela lynch (which was pretty much opposed by a majority of players). He says that Raikaria is all buzzwords, but what more has BT put out more than Raikaria? A bunch of prodding suspicions and poking but nothing definite until Raikaria puts his foot in his mouth and then BT jumps all onto that. At the very least, Raikaria's reaction to CF7's bad vote on him reads genuine. People are claiming it was an easy vote and he "didn't have to do any scumhunting after that" but if he thinks he's found CF7 scum, what else is he supposed to do at that point?
I remember Scum!Raikaria in Rewrite bragging about using his meta to his advantange or some shit. What if Raikaria did it because he would have done it as town? He's both entertaining a Serela lynch (which was an OPTION before the claim) and buying potential "this is stupid as scum" defenses in the future. Oh look. The bottom line is that his actual contribution outside of stupid cc-related profit lynches is nothing and the CF7 vote is enough for him to just stop. If you think the lone CF7 vote for an obvious bad post is enough for the second half of D1 I don't know what goggles you're wearing.
Basically I'm thinking Raikaria and CF7 got in a stupid slapfight and you have people like BT trying to take advantage of the situation. Vote BT.
I think you're rushing to call it a slapfight just to indirectly argue for my lynch. "Trying to take advantage of the situation" my balls. Where's your case?
It's not something you usually do as scum, but it's not something you usually do as town either, so meta is completely irrelevant? Not sure what you're trying to say here and this feels like you're trying to discredit me.
I'm trying to say that you just ended up floating my way because my play was "different". It's just really weak and any discrediting is in place.
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Pretty sure Conq being offended that somebody disputed him is a meta scumtell.
Also Conq's opinion on BT during the vote post was just "he's acting uncharacteristic" so BT's response was justified imo. The BT vote has basically been a park up until now which strongly implies Conq ran out of voting options and is BSing up a case now that it's deadline.
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Realtalk I would lynch Conq before I'd lynch Raikaria right now but it's probably too late to push that.
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I'm still laughing over "taking advantage" of a "slapfight".
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It also bugs me that Raikaria is basically using his claim to beg to be kept alive when provable roles obviously don't mean anything in this set-up.
Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that we weren't supposed to claim when we're the main wagon and about to get lynched.
And I wasn't aware that giving people roleblocks and tracks was something the town would find frivolous, especially you of all people who claimed mason with Serela.
I'm not sure why BT is having issues accepting the fact that I find CF7's post the worst thing so far, and since nothing happened that I found important enough to vote over CF7, I didn't change my vote or anything. Hell, if I was hopping my vote around every other post, he'd probobly attack me for that too.
And I'm pretty sure I never bragged about using meta to my advantage in my one scum game I've had. I was flailing as scum that game because it was my first scum game, and only scum game too.
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You're flailing in this scumgame too 8)
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Never played with scum Conq or scum BT before, so for me, looking at it without meta, BT looks scummier. I think Conq's case on BT and his included Raikaria defence is better than BT's case on Raikaria.
Raikaria was irrational in a different way in Rewrite. Don't know how to exactly explain it, but IIRC there was never a point where Raikaria was getting heavily voted for his irrationality in Rewrite, while he has been here for most of the game. Raikaria's role is also super obvtown IMO. Claiming Coroner yourself can be an easy scum!Janitor fake but you can't fake giving a Coroner shot to somebody, unless you tie yourself heavily to a scumbuddy. And giving the town a Coroner shot basically negates the point of even having a scum!Janitor.
I'm aware that a bunch more happened but I don't really have time to comment on everything.
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Just got home. Will need time to digest Raikaria vs CF7 - Prims has me doubting myself.
I will say, though, that Raikaria/Conqueror is almost certainly not a scum team. Publicly giving your scumbuddy an Insomniac role is suicide because it forces him to use it.
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I'm not sure why BT is having issues accepting the fact that I find CF7's post the worst thing so far, and since nothing happened that I found important enough to vote over CF7, I didn't change my vote or anything. Hell, if I was hopping my vote around every other post, he'd probobly attack me for that too.
If he was in the process of rereading he pretty much aborted that and now he's still harping on the CF7 thing and doing nothing else, because having a vote is the important thing.
You don't really get it. Ever since CF7 I have no idea what you think about anything because you just stopped caring.
please
please read my posts
And I'm pretty sure I never bragged about using meta to my advantage in my one scum game I've had. I was flailing as scum that game because it was my first scum game, and only scum game too.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14781.msg980294.html#msg980294
"I'm painfully self-aware Huh What. I even threw in a ~crazy conspiracy theory~TM"
fuck locked topics
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I'm still working through this latter half of the game posted so far. It may look like I'm not because I'm also spending time ranting on Lettyjournal but there is simply a lot of posts for me to read.
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While I don't think that Raikaria is scum, speaking in a completely general case, what is suicidal about forcing a buddy to use Insomniac? Insomniac is easy mode, all you have to do is talk about the flip and interactions. In fact it lets you coast for a good portion of the next day because you can just go HERE LOOK AT THIS POST.
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BT, just because I am not talking about other things does not mean that I have 'given up' on everything else. Frankly I no longer think Huh What/Serela are scummy after some of their posts, especially Serela's.
On the other hand, the more you keep pushing on this sole point, the worse I think of you.
Anyway, at this point it's 1AM. I need the sleeps. Just remember who pushed hard on me for Day 2 if you end up lynching me. There is certainly scum on this wagon, and I'd suggest to look especially at those just riding it, like CF7, and to a lesser extent possibly NNR.
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: I am reading, but people here post a lot more frequently than what I'm used to, so it's difficult for me to keep track of everyone and keep up with everything that's going on. The last game I played in lasted about two and a half weeks and had like 800 posts total, this one has been less than 48 hours and has half that.
: How was my opinion vague? I said it was more likely Rai was being picked on for being dumb and I stand by that
##Unvote, ##Vote: CF7
I don't like how you attacked Rai with the argument that he was SK. SK is an easy attack to make since scum are looking for it too so it's easier to make honest looking posting since it's something you're really considering. You've not really made great efforts to do real scumhunting other than accuse Serela+Prims which has been pretty dumb other than the spat with Zak, which I don't think is worth lynching them over
Not reading the 20 posts made since I started writing this
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oh that's nice the site doesn't like me using @
that first line was directed at Kil, second at BT
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BBM I literally have no idea what Conq's doing at this point and have no idea where this 'case' is.
His post an hour ago is just irksome considering his aim is to push forward my lynch.
And it doesn't matter if the coroner is a thing because it can be just to stall for a lynch.
There is certainly scum on this wagon, and I'd suggest to look especially at those just riding it, like CF7, and to a lesser extent possibly NNR.
yes please look at the guy who elaborated when asked when he was here and the guy who just got here
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: How was my opinion vague? I said it was more likely Rai was being picked on for being dumb and I stand by that
Yeah but then you said you'd lynch him over me and I don't really get it.
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1.9: Brilliant Mimicry of a Votecount
The only thing cooler then a pyromaniac is a terrorist lolita flying pirate.
Raikaria (5): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what
CF7 (5): Kilgamayan, Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, Paperblade
BT (4): Conqueror, Schezo, Zakeri, BBM
Not voting: No one \o/
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 3 hours and 20 minutes remaining.
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Conq's BT case is literally "I think CF7 and Raikaria are both town, which means BT must be scum taking advantage of them". Nevermind that BT voted Raikaria before CF7 did. There's seriously no substance to Conq's suspicion beyond a defense of Raikaria. The argument that BT did nothing until Raikaria put his foot into his mouth doesn't mean much - having trouble reading people and doing nothing all game does not make you ineligible to find other people who are doing nothing scummy, and even ignoring that, Raikaria did the exact same thing with his CF7 vote, and BT was at least keeping up with the thread and trying to read people, even if his scumhunting was bad.
I also really dislike how he jumped to the conclusion I think BT is town because I'm paranoid Conq is scum, which doesn't flow logically in response to a post where I was saying people who think BT is scum should read his posts, meaning I think BT's posts are town.
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While I don't think that Raikaria is scum, speaking in a completely general case, what is suicidal about forcing a buddy to use Insomniac? Insomniac is easy mode, all you have to do is talk about the flip and interactions. In fact it lets you coast for a good portion of the next day because you can just go HERE LOOK AT THIS POST.
It's 24 extra hours of being able to talk that you have to take advantage of once people know you have it because you have literally no excuse to not use it. If you've never actually been an Insomniac (I have) it's hard to understand the psychological pressure that goes into the role. You won't necessarily be able to coast, either, because people will invariably spend part of their night determining how they're going to address what you say, and then you have to address that in turn and etc. Basically you're forced to produce additional content - or, in the case of scum, you're forced into more opportunities to screw up than normal.
I've seen the role go to town and non-town several times over the years. I've only ever seen one non-town actually use it, and they sucked at it and got lynched for crappy content. On the other hand, every townie that had it used it and used it well enough to make the rest of the game think they were town for putting in effort and thoughtful content.
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This is all irrelevant because Raikaria is a relatively new player and would likely not think of the role that way, and even if Conq agrees he wouldn't have been online to tell Raikaria not to target him at the time.
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So you think they wouldn't have discussed it at any point before he actually use it?
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The context of Raikaria's post makes me think that he chose the target on a whim regardless of alignment because he didn't have much mention of Conq up until that point (speaking of which: Raikaria, why did you pick Conq as your nighttalk target?)
Although I also think Conq would be self-confident enough that he could make good posts to accept nighttalk, especially if it could be interpreted as distancing.
though really this is kind of a waste of an argument since Raikaria hasn't even flipped scum yet
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Yeah but then you said you'd lynch him over me and I don't really get it.
I think Rai is town because he's being dumb and people are giving him shit for it, and I think it's more likely that he's town that's going to get lynched because he's not defending himself well. However I think it's more likely that he's scum and is actually flailing than that you're scum.
The Rai wagon still sucks though
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I think Rai is town because he's being dumb and people are giving him shit for it, and I think it's more likely that he's town that's going to get lynched because he's not defending himself well.
Why does this apply to Rai but not CF7?
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I think it's also reasonable that the scum-controlled insomniac will go to scum so that the additional content produced is moderated, and to not give a townie additional cred (going off of your claim that townies use it to good effect). Dunno, I think this chat should go on after the flip in any case.
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Crazy-ass conspiracy theory: CF7 is Yuki and that's why he can't claim his role.
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Why does this apply to Rai but not CF7?
I see scum intent in things CF7 is doing but don't see it in what Rai is doing. Rai is a leading wagon because he made a fool of himself early and then defended himself badly, CF7 is a wagon because he's scum and isn't trying to help the town
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Reread Conq's case on BT and changed my mind on Conq because his frustration reads more like the one I experience sometimes when some players (mostly Prims and Paperblade) seem to be able to catch me as scum on some dumb meta/gut thing that is just impossible to defend against. In the end you just get mad because it's such a dumb argument to face but you can't really do anything about it and it's also correct.
That being said I still don't like the Raikaria wagon. ##Unvote, ##Vote: CF7
better than Raikaria IMO
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##Unvote, ##Vote: Raikaria
CF7's reaction to getting massive negative attention was more efforted and self-explanatory and less AtEish.
In before Prims gets cold feet because I agree with him 8)
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In before Prims gets cold feet because I agree with him 8)
(:smug: remark about scum telling us why scum are scum goes here).
Kind of have cold feet on Raikaria for other reasons but think he's scummier than every other lynch wagon regardless, so unless somebody wants to powerwagon Conq with me idc.
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Reread Conq's case on BT and changed my mind on Conq because his frustration reads more like the one I experience sometimes when some players (mostly Prims and Paperblade) seem to be able to catch me as scum on some dumb meta/gut thing that is just impossible to defend against. In the end you just get mad because it's such a dumb argument to face but you can't really do anything about it and it's also correct.
Yeah this is exactly what I mean when I say him being offended by people disputing him is scummy.
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"More efforted and self-explanatory" = CF7's reactions to getting called on a craptastic piss-easy vote were an actual thought process (as broken as it is) while Raikaria's reactions to getting called on a craptastic piss-easy vote were more or less "but look at that terrible logic!!". Also I look back at my stated reasons for my CF7 vote and they feel more like a vote against bad play than a vote against scum.
Cut: My untrustworthy self will follow you to the ends of this game just to get my revenge for Day 4 of Adorbs Mafia ヽ(゜▽゜ヽ)
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Crazy-ass conspiracy theory: CF7 is Yuki and that's why he can't claim his role.
falls under the category of "nasty modifier" nicely :V
re: things
The scum motivation in Raikaria's play is that he just votes the obvious CF7 "what just happened" post and poof goes his commitment to actually come up with something. I have no idea what he thinks besides that CF7 is bad and he just goes "whoops" when he flips town. Add to this that yes the rest of his play is 'bad' as in there's nothing townie to be found.
CF7's claim is the main pause for me because otherwise I think his contribution isn't all that different from Raikaria's but huhwhat seems to have this under wraps so go talk to him.
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idk anymore but I just have a gut feeling that Raikaria is not scum
I am in a powerwagon mood after Kirby so I could go for one on Conq but I don't think that there are 6 other people ready to vote him.
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Yeah unfortunately. :(
Hey BBM, what do you think about SB? I kinda get a feeling he's scum but don't really have anything strong on him.
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I'd prefer to not dash to a lurker with 3 hours to go, but SB or Paperblade biting it wouldn't be the end of the world I guess.
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I have this
I've had some gut feeling towards SB since that one post he made. That he'd find something incriminating to say about all of the occurrences and have the capacity to form a rank list at that point feels artificial. It's also arguments like "Raikaria avoided dropping a vote" that make me think this way because he could have said the same thing about me. Which suggests that he focused on the focus and on delivering arguments on that front only.
(the post in question) (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020766.html#msg1020766)
and how his other post isn't that impressive either and kind of avoids giving Raikaria a serious look-see when you come down to it.
Not too strong but there.
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I wasn't suggesting we turbo SB, just asking a general question.
I think Paperblade is town for gutmeta reasons.
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My entire skull aches right now and I don't know why.
At this point, pre-obligatory wagon based rereads, CF7 is leauges scummier to me than the other two. My vote on BT was for pressure and I'm pretty sure he's been responding to some things (at least lately) in an information gathering manor. ##Unvote: BT
I also still think Raikaria is town.
notanedit: I don't think I'm going to power through a full reread before deadline. I'll get this out there while I'm working on it and if all else fails, I'll vote CF7 before going to bed/deadline (whichever comes first).
Cut by BT becoming less of a wagon without my input, I guess.
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In fact killing off SB without a claim is a very bad idea given his softclaims. But his play seems a little off to me idk
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it's pretty amazing that this D1 is already one of the biggest we've had and it's 48 hours long
sorry paperblade!
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Explain town!Raikaria in light of his more recent content, Zak.
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blank unvote is due to rereading, but I might as well throw in that CF7 should be considered at L-1 at this point.
Also, if people are willing to quickwagon Conq (or less likely, Dormio) I'd be happy to help make it possible.
Cut: I can't because it requires looking more closely at his recent content than I already have.
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Addon- I'm willing to drop the townread if I can't find a suitable answer though.
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Yeah I want to say that Dormio is probably scum if Raikaria is town. Lining up lynching but I'm obvtown so what're you gonna do about it. 8)
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Notably furious confirmation post.
scummiest post bt has made all game, why would he be mad unless he rolled scum for the 400th time in a row :/
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The Return of Modscum Votecount
CF7 (5): Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, BBM
Raikaria (6): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what, Kilgamayan
BT (2): Conqueror, Schezo
Not Voting (0): Zakeri
holy shit Shadoweh just post some votecounts
so how is CF7 at l-1 again
cut by holy shit I literally don't remember what my last scum game was
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also if schezo left his vote on me after this post
Why don't you iso BT and go see what you missed?
But. The only thing confirmed about this role is that it curses someone. He implied it allows nightspeak but it could also be a delayed kill in which case Raikaria is joat and wants another night to do stuff. Coronation is a red herring me thinks. This a scumclaim btw.
I'll be mad
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Conq's BT case is literally "I think CF7 and Raikaria are both town, which means BT must be scum taking advantage of them". Nevermind that BT voted Raikaria before CF7 did. There's seriously no substance to Conq's suspicion beyond a defense of Raikaria.
Now you're just twisting my words because I already talked about this. BT's vote on Raikaria was taking advantage of the jump on Serela, not on CF7. Then when Raikaria moves to CF7 Raikaria is suddenly going for the easy vote, never mind that BT was going for the easy vote in Raikaria.
The argument that BT did nothing until Raikaria put his foot into his mouth doesn't mean much - having trouble reading people and doing nothing all game does not make you ineligible to find other people who are doing nothing scummy, and even ignoring that, Raikaria did the exact same thing with his CF7 vote, and BT was at least keeping up with the thread and trying to read people, even if his scumhunting was bad.
This is my fucking point. Both of them didn't have much to their name until they saw something scummy and jumped on it. Raikaria's voting CF7 makes a lot more sense from a town position because if I saw someone pushing that kind of bullshit on me I'd vote them to day end. BT voted Raikaria for doing something weird and his reasons for finding Raikaria scum just keep morphing from there. BT's making side comments on other people means absolutely fucking nothing because it's something he does as either alignment, especially since he doesn't come to any concrete conclusions. The most I can see is a handwave of CF7.
I also really dislike how he jumped to the conclusion I think BT is town because I'm paranoid Conq is scum, which doesn't flow logically in response to a post where I was saying people who think BT is scum should read his posts, meaning I think BT's posts are town.
Dude, you were basically calling me scum with Raikaria. You're swimming in confirmation bias at this point about BT's posts.
Making more posts but getting this out there,
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fucking quote tags
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1.10: Never End Your Impatience For Votecounts
It has been ONE HOWAH. And 30 posts. Holda your Hories!
Raikaria (6): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what, Kilgamayan
CF7 (5): Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, BBM
BT (2): Conqueror, Schezo
Not voting: Zakeri :<
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
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Yoshino wall on Raikaria is well... quite nitpicky. Not sure what to make out of this, but likely not town. On the other hand his wall about Serela is quite good, so he might be town.
What about the Serela wall is good enough to be town despite being suspect of the wall on Raikaria?
your reads from the same post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021159.html#msg1021159) are contradictory, in part because of their vagueness. Particularly, you suspect Serela and HW of being scum faking a mason claim, and then punish Raikaria for doubting HW's claim enough to test a Serela lynch. This leads me to believe that your punishment is actually intended for the part of Raikaria you quoted that didn't have to do with Serela, which is where he calls you lurkerscum. This has really bad implications.
Comments that Raikaria is SK. So you know he's not mafia then? If so, why SK hunt this early when there's plenty of mafia around anyways?
If CF7 comes on, I need him to comb through his own posts and rewrite his case on Raikaria. He even admitted it was worded poorly, and I don't see this case; specifically the SK part; coming out of the mouth of a townie.
Rereading Raikaria now
also, ##Vote: CF7 since I trust BT's ability to count more than I do my own. (I thought both of them were at L-2 when I posted)
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Notepad the notening part 2
starting from 219
I think I got later on that Zak is probably town or an SK with his attempted CC, so I guess I'll read his posts with a grain of salt or something. Probably the former because an SK wouldn't blatantly out themselves like that
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Man I can see why Raikaria really wants Serela dead. She really has been dead weight so far. Regrettable he's a mason and I can't have one of them lynched until later.
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More Dormio posts that are long and also long and :tryhard:. It doesn't even have a read at the end, just a "I dunno"
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Who is Paperblade voting again
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"Fight me", Shezo?
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>Raikaria post
>starts posts with "let's address things regarding me
oh boy
Lol he's responding to Dormio's post. I would honestly have just brushed it off, that's a bunch of nitpicky shit he's addressing
Oh, actual scumreads, FINALLY
Pretty barebones, though. Actually pretty bad. Who does he think is scum? If I hadn't already posted later I would still want to be voting him from this point
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BT post
Continues to have no scumreads, but still manages to make good posts
Wait this is followed by my post
Which means there's 200 more posts of content that I have no idea about
fuck
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BT having a point that Serela's play is just being lazy because masons, is understandable but not enough to let me outright ignore Serela.
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I can't tell if Rai is just dense about "don't lynch masons D1" if it's scummy he's pushing it so hard.
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Ugh flavorplay is so stupid that I have to mention it again
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Dormio are you going to give conclusive reads to anyone you make a text wall on
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Ridiculously weak Cf7 post
It's all one linerss
I mean come on, there's nothing there. Like, no thought at all. Ugh
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>clearly OMGUS
:/
Clearly not helping your own case
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Raikaria switches votes to Cf7
"No effort"
Yes okay reason there
"OMGUS"
lolno, try harder
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Satisfying Dormio vote from Kilga. Dormio getting called out on his shitposting is good.
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switched back to Cf7, aww. I was hoping Dormio would get more pressure, although not a bad vote.
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Okay vote by BBM, BT has been rather weak in the scumread department, but I think his play has been okay regardless. There are worse people imo
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Shezo post
Okay actually a Raikaria scumwagon is pretty plausible, I'll admit. Cf7 suggesting Raikaria is simply the SK and trying to lynch him is also bad bad bad and I wouldn't have noticed. This post makes me want to switch to CF7 tbh
On the other hand Schezo could be scum trying to get people off Raikaria though, he isn't too good as far as my gut.
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People don't want you dead because you're lurking, CF7 (at least I hope not), people want you dead because your reads suck
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CF7
/me dons tinfoil hat
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>you should see what it does later
wow Raikaria how ominous, this mysterious nature you've conjured completely makes me want to move my vote off you right now
(that's sarcasm)
Well at least he's sticking to his guns with that vote. That's a plus I guess
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Kilga
Wait I missed the part where it really was OMGUS, let me scroll back
...
Well hot damn. Guess he IS that bad.
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CF7
TinfoilhatTinfoilhatTinfoilhat
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Worthless Serela post I'm not going to bother reading
More serela
More Serela
More Serel- oh wait he mentions me
I think someone forgot I was voting Raikaria
understandably I haven't had much to say on him lately
i guess the yelling at him about the masonvote thing was kind of talking about him tho
I still want him dead
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Vaugeclaim from CF7
you should probably actually clarify on that
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Oh it's a role PRed against claiming it, ugh
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You know you probably would have done that gambit better if you didn't also paint yourself as a giant lynch target
Can you believe I still have 4 more pages to go
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I remember Scum!Raikaria in Rewrite bragging about using his meta to his advantange or some shit. What if Raikaria did it because he would have done it as town? He's both entertaining a Serela lynch (which was an OPTION before the claim) and buying potential "this is stupid as scum" defenses in the future. Oh look. The bottom line is that his actual contribution outside of stupid cc-related profit lynches is nothing and the CF7 vote is enough for him to just stop. If you think the lone CF7 vote for an obvious bad post is enough for the second half of D1 I don't know what goggles you're wearing.
There's a difference between scum going for the batshit cases for towncred (like in Rewrite when huhwhat gave Raikaria towncred for the dumbest stuff) and legit town paranoia. And if Raikaria would have done this as town, then congrats, you've just presented a case for town!Raikaria. Problem is that you've been viewing everything through the lens of scum!Raikaria and I don't see any evidence you're seriously considering any alternatives besides lolrolespec, like you've already come to the conclusion that Raikaria is scum before you made the case.
Do I think Raikaria's CF7 vote is an obvious bad post is enough for the second half of D1? It's dumb as shit, but it's more silly than scummy? Do I think your Raikaria vote for an obvious bad post is enough for the second half of D1? Fuck no.
I think you're rushing to call it a slapfight just to indirectly argue for my lynch. "Trying to take advantage of the situation" my balls. Where's your case?
Okay, if you're not taking advantage of the situation, riddle me this. Why vote for Raikaria now instead of earlier? You've made the point that you don't usually hang around with an empty vote as either alignment, and I'll grant you that your reasons for not voting were probably non-alignment indicative. If you wait long enough to vote you're bound to eventually find a post bad enough that it lets you jump onto the wagon with few repercussions because everyone can see it's bad. You made a point about suspecting me, SB, and Schezo, but then you jump on Raikaria, and that only after huhwhat jumps to a Raikaria vote?
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Wait you mean /me commands actually work
/me is amazed
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Still 5 pages from the end of this but so far I want to lynch between Dormio, CF7, and Raikaria
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it's pretty amazing that this D1 is already one of the biggest we've had and it's 48 hours long
sorry paperblade!
You better be sorry
Prims would you support a last minute Yoshi lynch
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Anybody pushing "Raikaria wouldn't do irrational things as scum" is silly because he last rolled mafia in Rewrite, and his entire play that game was doing irrational things as scum.
Didn't read Rewrite closely but pushing a policy lynch on the confirmed third party is in a different league from trying to lynch claimed masons, sorry. Not even close.
Like he literally voted over several bullshit paranoia cases that had no case of taking off in that game. There's precedent for him doing dumb shit he can't actually push when rolling scum.
Orly? Show me what you're talking about.
Also Conq's opinion on BT during the vote post was just "he's acting uncharacteristic" so BT's response was justified imo. The BT vote has basically been a park up until now which strongly implies Conq ran out of voting options and is BSing up a case now that it's deadline.
Actually if you read my vote post I didn't have a stated opinion on BT iirc. I didn't think Zak was worth voting anymore and I thought BT was vaguely scummy so I went there. Don't know what BT response you're talking about. The implication that I "ran out of voting options" is just blatant bullshit and you know it.
also lol at the implication that AtE is a meta scumtell for me
I'm still laughing over "taking advantage" of a "slapfight".
If you're not taking advantage of the Raikaria situation by NOT DOING ANYTHING ALL DAY UNTIL RAIKARIA MAKES A DUMB PUSH AND THEN SITTING ON RAIKARIA BASED ON THAT PUSH FOR THE REST OF THE DAY then what the fuck are you doing?
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Conq is wording well why I think Raikaria is town.
His tone reads really angry at everything though, while in Town it was really buddy-buddy even when he was voting me. Gives me the feeling that Conq is white-knighting.
Conq, you say that BT hanging around not voting is not alignment-indicative but then you talk in the next sentence about how it lets BT wait for a post bad enough to jump onto. That seems like alignment-indicative to me, and is also looking at stuff assuming that BT is scum, which is especially bad since part of your Raikaria defence earlier in the same post is about how Prims has come to the conclusion that Raikaria is scum before making the case.
Also willing to give Paperblade a pass for being somewhat lurky because he generally is D1 + irl issues.
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I'll say that the base of what Conq's saying is correct (my 'jump' and Raikaria's can be compared) but everything goes wild from there. My reasons changing over time doesn't actually mean anything and same goes for 'he has side comments that go nowhere' because where would they be going? Everything's way too general and I'm pretty sure my latest few hours of play were town so that's more concern.
So yeah, the initial Raikaria vote was convenient for me to get things started, but that doesn't directly translate to anything that suggests "taking advantage of a slapfight" so it still baffles me that you got to that conclusion. My play stretches out a few dozens of posts after that point. If I was just content with the initial vote then yeah, taking advantage of shit and scum mastermind, but I've actually been doing stuff since. What you're saying I'm guilty of that is "taking advantage" of things is ironically more relevant to Raikaria because he's the one who became useless once he found his vote.
It's 4:30 here so I'll be gone soon, just putting that out there.
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Prims would you support a last minute Yoshi lynch
don't think we have the people
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Yeah this is exactly what I mean when I say him being offended by people disputing him is scummy.
trufax, I get angrier when I'm accused of being scum as town than when I'm accused of being scum as scum.
BBM, I get pissed off when people make bad cases on me. In Town Mafia I pretty much ignored all the cases on my predecessor and went entirely on the offensive because I was replacing in and I could afford to do that. I got a lot angrier in the game after that when people suspected me for bad reasons.
Also re:bt not voting at first, it's an answer to bt's question of why he wouldn't just jump onto any old vote given the number of voteable people out there. It's not the crux of my case because it's only a postulation, but it answers that part of bt's defence.
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Except you didn't really get angry. People were like "omg he's too nice SUSPICIOUS" and you just shook it off fairly calmly. And then you got night-killed not that long after.
The sort of anger you're displaying here only really happens as scum, because if you're town then you still get the consolation of the last laugh after your alignment is confirmed (whether through death or by the game ending), and then because it's a meta argument people feel bad about it and themselves and will probably never use it again, even if you exhibit the same behaviour in a later game as scum.
Also the words you said to Prims: "I'm tired of this shit happening every game where you suspect me" doesn't really fit with what I know, because Prims has told me before that he sees you as basically impossible to mislynch because you're very good at defending yourself while still scumhunting. ie even if you've gotten wagoned or been suspected in previous games in which I haven't played based on similar stuff, you've been able to shake it off pretty easily. So why would you get angry like this?
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I'll say that the base of what Conq's saying is correct (my 'jump' and Raikaria's can be compared) but everything goes wild from there. My reasons changing over time doesn't actually mean anything and same goes for 'he has side comments that go nowhere' because where would they be going? Everything's way too general and I'm pretty sure my latest few hours of play were town so that's more concern.
My god. I'm saying that your initial vote on Raikaria was based on "mason vote bad" and eventually morphed to "Raikaria deliberately made a bad vote because he knew he could get away with it" despite the fact that Raikaria could have easily voted for a number of other options. It's a sleazy way to keep your vote on him and when I say "side comments that go nowhere" I'm talking Tojiko in TD style, I don't know how else to put it. You're questioning people and stuff but in the end Raikaria is your One True Scumread and you've left yourself open on basically everyone else. It's like what Affinity did in Path of Radiance when he parked his vote on me and poked at other people all day.
So yeah, the initial Raikaria vote was convenient for me to get things started, but that doesn't directly translate to anything that suggests "taking advantage of a slapfight" so it still baffles me that you got to that conclusion. My play stretches out a few dozens of posts after that point. If I was just content with the initial vote then yeah, taking advantage of shit and scum mastermind, but I've actually been doing stuff since. What you're saying I'm guilty of that is "taking advantage" of things is ironically more relevant to Raikaria because he's the one who became useless once he found his vote.
It's a convenient way for you to get started and your vote is still sitting there despite everything else you say you're doing. That's what I mean by taking advantage of the situation. Your play stretches out dozens of posts after that point but it's just poking at people, see what I said in the paragraph above.
re: Raikaria doing what you're doing that's kinda true, except for the main point which is the votes you both make. Rereading Raikaria's CF7 vote and your Raikaria vote and subsequent reasoning his vote is still better.
It comes down to his content today and it's crap. Serela/Dormio is all buzzwords. When he needs to switch off of Serela, all the other names he dropped in the last post are a thing of the past as he just proceeds to jump on the easy opportunity given.
Going to point this out again. If he's looking to jump on the easy opportunity given, then why doesn't he do it in the first place (with Dormio in this case)? You point it out yourself that it's notable that he chooses to go for Serela over Dormio, so what's the scum motivation for it? Some vague notion of batshit town cred that is more likely to get him lynched instead?
Calling CF7 an easy opportunity is true enough, but just because someone is the easy vote doesn't mean they can't be scum, and Raikaria's CF7 vote flows logically enough from where I'm seeing. You're the one using buzzwords by calling it the easy vote, because everyone saw why CF7's post was bad.
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To move on to more relevant things, we have two l-2 wagons, one idle vote and one uninterested vote.
I'm technically okay with swapping but rather have this. 2 hours left?
cut by I don't think I'll be responding to this tonight
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HW's telling me to move onto Raikaria but I'm leaning a little towards CF7. Fine with switching if it comes down to it but I somewhat prefer the CF7 lynch right now. Might reread them again by deadline.
Hour and a half left.
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Except you didn't really get angry. People were like "omg he's too nice SUSPICIOUS" and you just shook it off fairly calmly. And then you got night-killed not that long after.
The sort of anger you're displaying here only really happens as scum, because if you're town then you still get the consolation of the last laugh after your alignment is confirmed (whether through death or by the game ending), and then because it's a meta argument people feel bad about it and themselves and will probably never use it again, even if you exhibit the same behaviour in a later game as scum.
Also the words you said to Prims: "I'm tired of this shit happening every game where you suspect me" doesn't really fit with what I know, because Prims has told me before that he sees you as basically impossible to mislynch because you're very good at defending yourself while still scumhunting. ie even if you've gotten wagoned or been suspected in previous games in which I haven't played based on similar stuff, you've been able to shake it off pretty easily. So why would you get angry like this?
I'm talking about the game after Town Mafia, the one with the 3 SKs. We're talking about 2 different games here.
Also, this is a personal thing but I don't get consolation from going "OH MAN YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT ME I WAS TOWN" because in that case I've already gotten lynched and failed in my duty as town. I don't like getting lynched because I was basically mislynched D1 in my first 3 games as town (or something to that effect) and I hate hate hate getting mislynched. I hate getting lynched as scum too but I hate playing as scum so getting lynched as scum is honestly a mixed blessing. And for the record, people who go "YOU'LL BE SORRY WHEN I FLIP TOWN" are the worst. The only time I tried to lynch myself was when I was a Chicago voter and I owned that game afterwards by voting all the scumz.
Also, it's true that I don't get mislynched often nowadays, but I still don't like suspicion on me if I feel it's getting in the way of the game. I can link myself to several examples where I've done this if you want, but I think most of the people playing in this game can attest to that. Hell, Prims can attest to that.
tl;dr meta sucks
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Moar notepad scumreads
"I wish I could skip to the end edition"
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Rai are you really going back on that fucking masonlynch
nobody is doing it
get off already
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CF7 stop fucking tinfoilhatting already and hunt scum
scum
SCUUUUM
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Okay BT post
where is his vote
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why are you asking this SB
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Rai claims JOAT, solidifies position as unclearable by role
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BT stop trying to game the role setup in a role madness game where we've been explicitly suggested away from doing exactly that.
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Paperblade lurky post
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"I also don't get why he's reluctant to vote Zak due to him having a low amount of reads on other players (as in, this is his reasoning AGAINST IT) so he should explain that."
It's because lurking lynchers doesn't net us much interaction reads by D2
If he has no reads on everyone, that's scummy, yeah, but doesn't leave us with anything if he dies (also WHY it's scummy but not the point)
His claim makes his pushing understandably town for now anyway. Would not lynch today.
SB keeps inferring he's doing flavorplay which is still bad.
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Tinfoil hat theory here, but I think that if Raikaria is scum, so is Schezo because of the earlier "Raikaria is a scumwagon" post, also for other little things.
Kind of somewhat good reason to lynch Rai harder
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Gut here again but HW is usually town when our opinions seem to coincidentally match up.
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Claim that's kinda convincing from Raikaria
Hmmm
Normally don't take claims without salt but he claims he can give out coroner, which suggests he's either town or a scum blatantly outing he's the scum JOAT with a coroner
Oh look end of the page, only 3 more to go
might be hope of finishing this readthrough after all
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if it comes down to it I prefer a CF7 lynch over Raikaria since CF7 said his role was deterimental to town
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Could you make yourself any more annoying to read, NNR?
I get that you're Trying To Get That Post Out There?, but jeez.
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Someone find me a votecount please
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hey hey hey Dormio
Why are you still voting Raikaria? Did you at least read his claim?
What do you think of CF7?
What do you think of BT?
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1.10: Never End Your Impatience For Votecounts
It has been ONE HOWAH. And 30 posts. Holda your Hories!
Raikaria (6): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what, Kilgamayan
CF7 (5): Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, BBM
BT (2): Conqueror, Schezo
Not voting: Zakeri :<
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 2 hours and 19 minutes remaining.
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nnr you lazy bum it's on the previous page
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wow I just realized BT wagon is just me and Schezo
you're all lame, seriously
##unvote
##vote: cf7
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That's L-1 since Zakeri also voted Cf7.
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eh
##unvote
maybe he'll claim yuki
no harm in waiting for the claim
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@Conqadour: Read the claim, but I don't really know what to make of it.
Since I've been busy today, I haven't had the time to do much other than skim through the topic.
Classes from 9 to 4 sucks with the hour travel to and from uni sucks.
I have mentioned before that I'd be willing to vote for CF7 if need be, but that the Raikaria lynch is more interesting to me.
No clue what I think of BT since I haven't really read the guy in much depth.
Warning - while you were typing 4 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Really? Even just this?
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1.11: Totally Not a Nazi Votecount
Take 1 drink everytime a diary is used to superhumanly dodge bullets!
Raikaria (6): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what, Kilgamayan
CF7 (6): Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, BBM, Zakeri
BT (1): Schezo
Not voting: Conqueror >:<
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There is 1 hours and 19 minutes remaining.
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even the 3 SKs game that I barely paid attention to- there was a calmness to your posts even while you were frustrated idk
This is mostly irrelevant atm because you're not getting lynched today anyways.
@Prims- I can kind of get what you're saying about SB. I used to be able to read ScumB really easily but I didn't get him in Masquerade or even Folgore Rangers until it was obvious through PoE so idk. I feel like it'd be easier to make up my mind on SF because he's naturally lurky on MotK due to it not being his natural forum.
Basically I can't make up my mind about anyone right now; I need a scumflip.
Shadoweh are you reading The Final Empire? If so, she uses the diary to dodge knives, not bullets.
Maybe I should have said 'dodge projectiles'. Bullets are just more unbelievable.
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I kinda know what you mean because that game was kinda on the low scale of mad. There are better examples but I'll be arsed to provide them unless this meta argument is still relevant in the future.
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Raikaria's vote on Serela is surface level bad, but the thing is I feel like he's being earnest here. I can see town Rai being frustrated with Serela and trying to work out how he could be scum. He does make a misstep in admitting that testing the Mason claim is part of his reasoning though. I would figure the more natural town reaction would be to either question the nature of the role, or just accusing both of them as being scum. going with "testing" the claim is a little too close with saying he's comfortable with a town lynch. It would also be useless to test for mason claims since if Serela flips, HW will be NKed.
Assuming Rai is lying about about his curse, it's kind of suspicious that he'd use it on Conqueror, but not scumbuddy theory suspicious or even scum suspicious either. Actually, it doesn't affect my read of him at all, but I still wanted to point out that I don't like it.
Not only does lynching Serela prove your claim, and sort out this claim pile, but it also gets rid of someone not contributing in any meaningful way at all.
this in particular i don't like because it forgoes that serela will never be useful if he is town. i'd normally let this drop but it's kind of egregious when put up next to a guy putting his roleclaim into saying serela is confirmed town.
of course despite my complaint about this, he's still arguing forward with it and it's casuing me to believe that he really does follow the line of logic he's using, which is forcing me to associate him with the town alignment despite not liking the argument. i can see both sides (scumrai and townrai) but i feel like trying to see scumrai doing this is forced where as seeing townrai doing this is easier for me.
Cut: This is a touhou board, you're expected to dodge bullets, or at least deathbomb.
can't divine anything from later posts. getting sleepy. very sleepy. not convinced of raikaria scum, but willing to switch if demanded. doesn't seem high demand. maybe will go to bed soon after all. will announce when. bark.
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Raikaria lying about his role would be pretty lol; it's too provable. At best he'd prolong his survival by one day phase, which isn't really all that useful for mafia and would probably be less preferable to saccing him to get some PR claim.
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i honestly don't know what's being brought up against raikaria anymore since i feel like the only relevant thing is that he voted for serela because of the mason claim.
i remember someone complaining about his cf7 vote being too easy, but i don't think that's a useful argument since i think cf7 is a valid wagon and also because before his vote change, he was going for probably the hardest vote he could at the time, which is in direct odds with attempting to coast through the game. he is making an easy vote to appease people going against him but i don't think that actually means he's scum.
actually i can't find any of the posts directly discussing it so a bulletpoint case would be super okay.
edit: whoops, i meant to say "assuming rai is not lying about his role".
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I kinda want to lynch Dormio for being the most worthless and making a bunch of inconclusive text walls tbh
I'm not really seeing Town!Raikaria or Town!CF7 though, but maybe it's because I'm not really getting why they would be after 45 hours of badposts
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Kind of want to lynch CF7 over Raikaria atm though, partially because of the scum intent behind the "Raikaria is SK" claim by him
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zak says all the good stuff except in one post instead of like twenty
mostly just waiting for a cf7 claim just in case at this point
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woo distractions
i honestly don't know what's being brought up against raikaria anymore since i feel like the only relevant thing is that he voted for serela because of the mason claim.
Dropping everything for the CF7 vote is a good place to start. Not the vote itself (so don't give me that) but the way that nothing else in the game mattered anymore. It's a pretty blatant lack of effort.
Also there are his reactions to the resultant pressure, which I touched on briefly in 426 and 429 and I'm pretty sure other people have mentioned.
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inconclusive text walls tbh
Nice misrep, bro.
Yes, I have no solid conclusion on Serela, tell me how my other posts are inconclusive.
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What happened to Serela being scum
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Here, I'll quote the relevant.
Actually, I don't even need to really re-read and come to a conclusion on several other people after CF7's most recent post.
He basically slinks away from having to form an opinion of significance.
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@Paperblade: I decided to throw that theory out in lieu of HW actually claiming masons a while ago.
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After all, I was never that sure about Serela in the first place, and I decided to trust HW on this one.
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lol
Do you think Raikaria is faking his inventor claim or what?
Kilga, I feel like that's taking the quote out of context.
Actually, I don't even need to really re-read and come to a conclusion on several other people after CF7's most recent post. It strikes me as being really bad.
It's less a slinking away and more like "okay scum found gg no re"
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Having found a potential voting target does not mean he should not go back and form an opinion of significance about the first half of the game. In fact I'm pretty sure he still hasn't done that, though it might have happened in one of the walls that got erected while I was at work.
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Still no vote changes. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021552.html#msg1021552)
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No Majority = Random Lynch
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bleh
##Unvote, ##Vote: Raikaria
randomlynches are bad even if the only time I've ever seen one it hit scum and won the game for town
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As for the 2nd part, yes, because CF7's post there was so awful, and his reasons and logic for voting so bad, that it outdid everything else up to that point, and still does. I think it's the worst thing all game, which is why I'm voting CF7. I'm voting him because he's done what I see as the worst thing this game.
Okay, given stuff like this, it's hard to defend against that claim, but I kinda blame this on how late the game started picking up
##unvote
##vote cf7
we dont have to random lynch, we have enough to lynch cf7
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oh my lord. I was holding out for Raikaria because I didn't like SB and BBM on the CF7 but he doesn't care.
##Unvote:
##Vote: CF7
boom peace laytuh
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BBM we have the votes to lynch CF7
yes like the posts that ninja'd me said
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move your vote back
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If BBM doesn't move back to CF7 I can. Though I'd still prefer where I am.
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You guys suck :(
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oh my lord. I was holding out for Raikaria because I didn't like SB and BBM on the CF7 but he doesn't care.
##Unvote:
##Vote: CF7
boom peace laytuh
Why wait until just now to post?
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1.12: Justice Sentai! GO VOTECOUNT!
Henshin TIGHTS! Henshin GLOVE! HENNNSHINNN MASSKUUUUU!
Raikaria (7): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what, Kilgamayan, BBM
CF7 (7): Raikaria, Selerey, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, Zakeri, Conqueror, Schezo
Not voting: No one \o/
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There be 14 minutes remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130916T2345&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+1)
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woo distractions
Dropping everything for the CF7 vote is a good place to start. Not the vote itself (so don't give me that) but the way that nothing else in the game mattered anymore. It's a pretty blatant lack of effort.
Also there are his reactions to the resultant pressure, which I touched on briefly in 426 and 429 and I'm pretty sure other people have mentioned.
This makes sense. I did discard all of the later posts because they were too empty.
He excused his lack of mentioning Serela by saying he found Serela's later posts to be not scum, but he didn't mention what he found town about them,
He does at the very least mention BT in relation to thinking CF7 is more scum, so while he could be putting more effort into it, he's not acting as blind to the world as this post makes it sound like though.
still not convinced.
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So that puts CF7 at L-1? I can hammer I guess if people want.
Schezo what does that last post even mean- you didnt like me and SB on the CF7???
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Conq if you're gonna concede my point you could switch your vote :V
Or BBM I guess
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Help I'm being blackmailed by my mason partner to hammer raikaria D:
##unvote ##vote raikaria
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Wait no BBM stay where you are
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I prefer CF7 honesty >_>
I feel like Raikaria is just bad at wording things and if he's town then his role is more useful than whatever CF7 implied to have.
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wow
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confirming lack of mod-dropped hammer
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http://puu.sh/4tlRE.png Excerpt from mason QT
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Hey with how long it takes Shadoweh to post vote counts let's see how long it taker her to end the day (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞
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Serela why
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Surely this will only be JUST a little longer, right?
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You know Shadoweh if you want me to stop YUUKAn always just lock the thread oh wait
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hw if cf7 is scum I'm going to fold my arms and squint at you like a tiny asian woman
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YESS IF YOU LOCK THE THREAD THEN I DONT HAVE TO POST AT NIGHT WAIT I MEAN NOOOO
btw did i ever mention that i never read mafia games overnight? i usually take the time off to relax and see if what im thinking is still valid in the morning. fuck insomniacs
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scumteam:
CF7
Kilga
Zakeri
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YUUNO you like this Shadoweh
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:C
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i'm pretty sure that out of the 5 times i've rolled masons, 0 of them have been RNG'd
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What's the matter? IFFRITA me and my puns?
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I JUST don't know why Shadoweh is taking so long!
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Shadoweh has time to post in the scum QT but not update the game. :C
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whoops, *mason QT
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Get your own material scumlord I already made that joke
In fact you might say I wrote the BOOK on Mafia puns
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(http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=qp5gzc&s=5#.UjfPUn-bZ1E)
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B( I pity DEPORE souls who have to wait as long as we did for this flip.
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best page in the game imo
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fun fact: depore has more images on danbooru than any other cota character
also apparently they romanizer her name as "diffor"
wtf.ev
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i read the first chapter of cota once and then gave up. there's anime and then there's anime (and it's not even made in japan)
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Day 1 End: I'm Taking My Time You Jerks
Take 1 drink every time Raikaria gets lynched! Wait don't do that..
"HOLY SHIT DID YOU SEE THAT RAIKARIA JUST CURSED SOMEONE!"
"But it was a friendly curse I swear! Like a petite death?"
You all set Raikaria on fire, along with his creepy sex cult. How can they possibly be on your side?
Raikaria (8 ): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what, Kilgamayan, BBM, Serela'd
CF7 (6): Raikaria, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, Zakeri, Conqueror, Schezo
Not voting: No one \o/
Raikaria was Lynched! He was..
Hello, Raikaria. You are Tsubaki Kasugano from Mirai Nikki. You are the Sixth Diary Holder. You are a pretty young woman with poor vision, having spent your entire life living in the Omekata temple. You are bitter, angry and emotional, hating the world, the Omekata religion and your life in the temple. Your story is NSFW. Your diary is the Clairvoyance Diary, appearing as a long green scroll. It predicts your future through the eyes of your followers.
Your theme song is Cries from Avici (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb6dkeFP3Bg&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Town Gift Giver
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Inventor
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Omekata's Wealth (Active) - The success of your temple has left you with items to bless the worthy with. Each night you may attempt to give a player an item by private messaging the ##Gift: (item) (player) command. You have three items. You may not gift yourself.
- Gift A: A one-shot roleblock.
- Gift B: A one-shot track.
- Gift C: A one-shot coroner.
Omekata's Blessing (Active) - You can also directly bestow one person with your pain. As a day action, you may attempt to make another player an insomniac by posting ##Curse (player) in the thread.
You have 24 hours to PM me your Night Actions.
Night End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130918T2350&p0=250&msg=MNM+Night+1)
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(8)
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(http://i40.tinypic.com/255l54o.jpg)
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Well, there's at least one thing we're getting out of this, and I'll bet Raikaria didn't know how useful this would be, because it allows me to do this:
If I flip tonight, know that I hid behind the number of the person which is the same as the number of letters in the eighth word of the description of my first active ability.
Ciao
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...is what I want to say to troll everyone and disappear for the rest of the night but instead I'll read the game later and post opinions I guess.
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Hahaha, I just realized I put the countdown for Night end on 2 days. Ignore the extra day, you have 5 hours and 30 minutes to get in night actions.
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"It's no use," I mutter, as the voices in my head wail and scream. Is this my payment for failing in my duty? All I know is that sleep is going to be a thing of the past...
Just got home, will put up thoughts in a bit after dinner.
Shadoweh is a massive tease.
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Started by rereading CF7. Going to stand by my original point that if he were mafia, then he would have made some sort of claim before disappearing at the end of the day; given the playerlist any buddy would have coached him to do the same. His willingness to be lynched given his supposed antitown role looks genuine enough that I don't think it's coming from mafia making a last ditch gambit (which would be a terrible gambit anyway). At worst he's SK who gave up (jumping to the conclusion that Raikaria is SK instead of scum, initial defensiveness with the Raikaria vote, general weirness) but he's not group scum at least imo so not really interested in him. People who still want to lynch CF7 tomorrow should respond to why they think this is invalid.
Dormio is a bit harder. The thing that stuck out the most to me about Dormio was actually his response to me when I asked him what I thought about Raikaria's claim, which was "Read the claim, but I don't really know what to make of it," which is a terrible response since it was a provable claim and at least partially confirmed by Raikaria giving me nighttalk. But it doesn't really make sense for him to say that as scum though when he can easily answer my query with "I don't believe it because I think he's scum" or something to that effect and sound more "logical" and "convinced of his case". The other thing that stuck out to me upon reread was the huge walls on Serela and CF7 that come down to "null" and "not that interesting," respectively. But again, what's the point of posting a huge wall that doesn't come to a conclusion if you've already put out an extensive case on someone? It only draws negative attention to you and it comes down to a lot of work for nothing in terms of cred. I looked through some meta of town Dormio and scum Dormio on the Raikaria case, and Dormio putting this much effort into his cases is probably town Dormio (this game (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021003.html#msg1021003) vs example one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15168.msg998899.html#msg998899), example two (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=4350176#p4350176), example three (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=4357670#p4357670))
Look at his play in Imp Mafia and NHK Mafia (his most recent scum games) where all he did was hard bus his buddies and when he made cases they were short and pretty barebones. (stuff like this) (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg788827.html#msg788827) The difference is pretty stark. So yeah, I think Dormio is probably town, too.
NNR is also kinda tricky. The running updates don't do anything for me (seriously people shouldn't post like that) but I think the early Prims vote here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020881.html#msg1020881)is probably coming from a frustrated town!NNR especially given the context with Prims pushing NNR. Compare that to his reaction in DEFCON Mafia (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg956674.html#msg956674). It's mostly his tone; it's more fluid (not sure if this is the right word?) when he's town and the anger at Prims feels less manufactured (in the scumpost I linked, he sounds more annoyed at huhwhat's attitude than seriously considering the idea of scum!what as in the first post I linked). This is kinda a minor point, but aside from that I also have a general feeling about NNR and he looks decently town imo. I think I've had a decent track record reading him recently anyways.
Next post is the more interesting stuff.
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SB's CF7 vote is honestly justified by "CF7 is using AtE", "CF7 made a bad listpost and didn't give full reads on everyone" (why is this just bad instead of scummy when I don't think anyone else in the game has given full reads?) and "Also apparently playing around makes someone more likely to be an SK than mafia." It's just pointing out why CF7's play is weird/bad; I don't see any critical analysis about why CF7 is scum for them, just a statement of the obvious. It's the same with this statement about Raikaria: "This doesn't make you any townier, and people who say that Raikaria is always scummy and shouldn't be lynched are really bad." It's noncommittal and it manages to attack both Raikaria and the people defending him without giving an opinion on whether Raikaria is scum or not. I know I've misread SB in both games I've seen him play on here and I haven't read a scumgame of his yet, but his play just seems really passive and uninvolved especially compared to games like Town Mafia. I don't know how to word this better. It's not that his opinions are outdated (bound to happen when you catch up with a big chunk of the game at a time) but that his conclusions in his walls boil down to "kinda scummy/kinda townie" on almost everyone he mentions? He also felt more aggressive in the other games I played with him.
I mostly dismissed Schezo earlier but a reread of his ISO leaves me with a feeling of sleaziness I don't like. Stuff he says like "I will shamelessly lynch CF7 if he wants to go bugger off without a claim near deadline" (why is this scummy?) and "The only thing confirmed about this role is that it curses someone. He implied it allows nightspeak but it could also be a delayed kill in which case Raikaria is joat and wants another night to do stuff...This a scumclaim btw " feel like opportunistic attempts to throw dirt on other main wagons at the end of the day, especially as he left his vote on BT after calling Raikaria's claim a scumclaim. Also, people were all over Raikaria for voting Serela as a Refuge In Audacity thing yesterday (even though huhwhat had already said "I'm 100% serious when I say my role PM tells me Serela is town-aligned" and trying to push claimed masons as scum is still suicide) but no one mentioned Schezo's initial push and vote on Serela, which fits that bill better (or as an attempt to fish out a definite claim from huhwhat if you want to think that way).
Paperblade's ISO is really easy to go through because there's like 10 posts and almost all of them are pushing Dormio, first based on a minor point (later clarified when Dormio admits he misread) and his later posts boil down to "Dormio's posts are bad, let's lynch Dormio." Why are Dormio's posts so bad that he's worth lynching over everyone else? I don't see any arguments, just a boring mantra repeated over and over again. It's hard to gather much else because there's so little to look at. Yeah, we know Paperblade thinks Dormio is bad, but why, and why is there so little about anyone else?
This is where people should start for Day 2 I think.
More posts.
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First off, I want to apologize to BT for my attitude yesterday (for various IRL reasons). Probably set the tone for the discussion to start on a negative note, so let's fight like civilized people, shall we? Anyway, I've mostly said my bit on BT already. The thing that actually pinged me most in his back and forth with me was actually where he sarcastically dismissed me with "I'm still laughing over taking advantage of a slapfight," because I don't remember BT doing anything like that in our recent town slapfights in other games. The memory that springs most to mind is when I was arguing with him in Disgaea and he was scum flinging rhetorical bullshit at me (still get mad at "smoke and mirrors"). I'd say more here but I came across the post where BT basically calls out SB/Schezo/Me and it gave me pause because at least on that point we're on a similar wavelength. This will become clearer tomorrow but I've found another avenue to get a read on BT since I think it'll be more productive for both of us.
There's nothing technically wrong with Kilga's posting, but Kilga why do I feel like you're picking on "easy targets?" Yes I know being an easy target doesn't make you town but every time a new bad post comes up you're immediately on it. I guess I'm trying to say, the logic is sound, but mafia isn't a pure logic game. All that said, Kilga acknowledging this in his voteswitch away from CF7 at the end of Day 1 makes me feel a lot better about him. Wouldn't be interested in lynching Kilga, but the thought was in the back of my mind so I'm posting it for better or for worse.
BBM's questioning of me at the end looks like a genuine attempt to figure out my alignment. That's the main decisive thing for me, but in general I haven't really had a problem with him or his content. Townread.
Zak is probably not lying about his claim, since he'd have to have been setting it up from his first vote on huhwhat and the progression of his questioning looks believable if you see it with that in mind. His end-of-day thoughts on Raikaria pretty much mirrored mine as well. Strongest townread here.
Prims is a huge gay and probably not lying about the masonry given how early he blatantly crumbed it. If Serela is Not Actually Town then I can laugh in the postgame at him so that's good. Thanks for not making me have to read Serela!
That's all for now. Ciao!
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In the unlikely situation that I die, I guess I'd go SB first then Schezo/Paperblade.
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Day 2 Start: Blood Teller
Take 1 drink every time jesus dies for your sins!
You found huh what the next day, impaled on an iron spike. He had to have known they were coming for him. The DEAD END flag was unbreakable.
Ai cried as she read the romantic dying words he sent her.
"im gay"
Huh what was killed! He was...
Hello, Huh what. You are Marco Ikusaba from Mirai Nikki. You and Ai Mikami are the Seventh Diary Holders. You come across as a typical street brawler, appearing quite cocky, energetic and always ready for a fight. Your hair is huge. You are devoted to Ai, having made a vow to protect her during your high school years together. Working together, you consider your love to be perfect and unbreakable. Your diary is the Exchange Diary, two mobile phones that record everything about Marco and Ai, focusing on each other.
Your theme song is 7th Heaven. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eIKiGNdHLs&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Town Mason
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mason
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Exchange Diary (Passive) - You know that A MONKEY is Ai Mikami and is Town. You may talk in your Exchange Diary Quicktopic at any time.
Not voting: Everyone
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 72 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130920T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+2)
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##Vote: SB
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Any future doc claim should be lynched for not being on Prims imo.
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HW I BLAME YOU
/me runs away crying
Anyway, since the chance comes around so rarely, I'm probably going to abuse my brand new CONFIRMED TOWNIE status. EVEN IF I AM TOTALLY NOT A MONKEY SHADOWEH TIME TO GO BACK TO MOURNING
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Well, time to get reading I guess.
First things first, I'm probably going to have to address my thoughts on CF7 once more.
I'm not going to bother commenting about CF7's earlier posts, because I feel that I've written enough about them here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021158.html#msg1021158).
Instead, I'm going to be looking at the posts that came afterwards, which means I start with this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021159.html#msg1021159).
After having produced very little content for the entirety of the day so far, he comes out with a weak list of reads on the other players in the game.
Of course, the reads aren't simply weak, they're all very safe.
He offers a null opinion on myself, Raikaria, Zakeri, BT, SB, and Conq.
Note that all of these people had been fairly significant points of discussion throughout the day, and so offering a null opinion on them is the easiest way to attempt to weasel your way out of discussing any of them.
And then let's look at the people he actually accuses of being scum or scummy.
CF7 doesn't elaborate on his suspicion of HW/Serela at all, and he proceeds to forget about it immediately for the remainder of the day.
Instead, he latches onto a very lazy OMGUS on Raikaria, the other leading wagon at the time.
Special exclusive case on Schezo. Antagonizing lots of people. Aggressive attitude. I'm not sure if it's normal behavior, but i'm guessing it is. Probably is scumhunting town. Still.
I really don't like this though. It's similar to his other opinions where he provides reasons both for and against that player being scum, but this one is a bit different.
First of all, it's emphasized as special. Though this might imply that CF7 intends to do something with it, it's really quite strange.
He hadn't mentioned Schezo up until this point, and he doesn't mention Schezo afterwards. Why is this your "special exclusive case"?
In addition to this, the reason for Schezo potentially being town isn't given at all. Instead, it's just a few reasons for which Schezo might be scum, but he's not just because.
It looks like an attempt to set up a jump to Schezo in the near future.
Perhaps CF7 was expecting someone to make a sudden case on Schezo which he could latch onto before the whole Raikaria/CF7 situation heated up?
I don't know, this sort of expectant behavior just really sticks out to me.
And then, after this, we have CF7's sudden paranoia of Raikaria being a serial killer.
Raikaria, personally i think that you're SK.
Just where on earth did this thought process come from? I'm rather curious.
CF7 says here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021222.html#msg1021222) that he believes this to be the case due to Raikaria's "playing around", yet he refuses to give any examples nor does he explains how this fits a serial killer's agenda.
He basically doesn't make a case for Raikaria being scum or SK at all, yet adamantly attaches himself to Raikaria's wagon because it's the easiest thing there.
##Vote CF7
Moving on from CF7, there are still other people that I want to talk about.
And so I'll make another post on Zakeri when I have the time.
Word of warning though, I'm going to be quite busy with assignments and the like for the next couple of days, so bear with me.
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Dormio, answer this please. CF7 isn't for today, or any day, unless you can tell me why this is wrong.
Started by rereading CF7. Going to stand by my original point that if he were mafia, then he would have made some sort of claim before disappearing at the end of the day; given the playerlist any buddy would have coached him to do the same. His willingness to be lynched given his supposed antitown role looks genuine enough that I don't think it's coming from mafia making a last ditch gambit (which would be a terrible gambit anyway). At worst he's SK who gave up (jumping to the conclusion that Raikaria is SK instead of scum, initial defensiveness with the Raikaria vote, general weirness) but he's not group scum at least imo so not really interested in him. People who still want to lynch CF7 tomorrow should respond to why they think this is invalid.
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Wow, I was so interested in waiting to see who died I forgot to think about who to vote when the day started. Uh, I'll think about that more when I wake up tomorrow, since I have to go to sleep now because ~*~work~*~
I can say now it's not gonna be CF7 though
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Ehh idk I don't really find Conq that bad anymore. Also the case was mostly meta and I find it difficult to connect back to after taking a step back from it because I really don't know how Conq plays that well.
I think what I find worst about SB is that it doesn't feel like he's building cases. He's just pointing out whatever's scummy that anyone is doing and then choosing mainly arbitrarily who's scummiest. Like his first post where he had like four ordered scumreads on page 3 or something. And in his list-posts I've seen several times where he'll point out a bunch of scummy stuff about someone and then conclude that they're town off other stuff, which is okay, but then why is he pointing out the stuff to begin with. Too lazy to do link, but he did it in about Zak in his post unvoting Zak and then did it about NNR at some point.
I have a gutcheck on Kilga. There's nothing I can put my finger on but his posts just don't feel as... solid? or as aggressive as they did in Villains. He feels really passive to me. In Villains I thought he was super pro-town A++ less than half-way into D1 and here he just feels unmemorable. I guess the biggest thing I concretely disliked was his hop to Raikaria at the end. He revoted CF7 before that for a shitty hop to Raikaria, and then voted Raikaria for hopping onto CF7 and then not saying much? Something about that just turns me off.
##Vote: SB for now
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Conq: Been extraordinarily busy with life lately, and simple targets become a lot more appealing when I don't have the time to devote to the game that I want. (Fake-edit that's not-even-cut by BBM: This mostly applies to your gut too, I imagine.)
Time to make Prims yell at me from the graveyard!
##Vote: BT
I'm not happy that he had one solid opinion for all of Day 1 and that opinion has flipped town. Sure, he poked at SB/Schezo/Conq earlier on but none of it felt like he means it since he doesn't really go anywhere with any of it. It's pretty much a "hey look at this stuff I found" post. I can't even tell if he thinks Conq is scum by the end of the day; there is much irritation but little accusation in that back-and-forth.
I don't know what's going on with this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021305.html#msg1021305) sequence (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021329.html#msg1021329); I thought it was obvious CF7 was being sarcastic in his early-day comment to me and I can't understand how one could take the "contradiction" seriously enough to say that CF7 clarifying strengthens his claim. It doesn't help that no explanation is provided. Ultimately it looks like a non-reason to discard CF7.
I will take some time tomorrow to reread certain people properly since I didn't get a chance to today (Paperblade is at the top of this list, SB and Zakeri are not far behind). I wanted to get this much out, at least, because I went to bed yesterday having no idea what else BT thought meaningfully about anybody.
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Right. To explain a few things about the end of the day. From what I read SB and BBM were making me paranoid as fuck because I was getting bad gut vibes. So I figured I would quick hammer Raikaria just because that's who they weren't voting but then BBM unvoted and I was thinking that CF7 would be a better lynch and Raikaria got quickhammered anyway.
I guess I just don't like BBM's playstyle because I don't find anything really wrong with him looking back.
Also you gaiz. Give me way to much credit about how not derp I am at this game. Yeah the masons claim was slapping people in the face at around the time I made that really frustrated post voting Serela but it didn't connect with me yet and it just pissed me off so bad I made a reaction vote.
Conq I find the not claiming thing to be scum because if you can just disappear and not claim at all I feel it makes people more hesitant to hammer over someone who actually claimed. It just feels our meta is that way to me.
"Oh god he didn't claim hrrm err uhh what if he's a really good role" *hammers the other guy*
SB on the other hand. Oh sheeeit. I thought he posted again after I questioned him with 360 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021337.html#msg1021337). So I still want an answer to this please.
His interactions with Dormio are weird. He calls the unmemorable Dormio unmemorable. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021323.html#msg1021323) And then Dormio answers my question (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021359.html#msg1021359)to SB about Raikaria when Dormio hasn't really said anything about Raikaria in the recent posts before that. The two of them are just so awkward.
##Vote: SB
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i swear shadoweh was too lazy to give me a unique role because mine just feels like it's made up of other people's claimed roles so far
I've misread SB in both games I've seen him play on here and I haven't read a scumgame of his yet, but his play just seems really passive and uninvolved especially compared to games like Town Mafia. I don't know how to word this better. It's not that his opinions are outdated (bound to happen when you catch up with a big chunk of the game at a time) but that his conclusions in his walls boil down to "kinda scummy/kinda townie" on almost everyone he mentions? He also felt more aggressive in the other games I played with him.
yeah this is down to timezones and school starting up, not really that much i can do
i'm probably ditching my qt because it'll slow me down further, only have 10 mins so i'll see what i can do
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@Zak when you see this, does your characters name have 5 vowels in it
also zak should still answer this
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prims i'm honestly offended that you wanted to turbo me after all the doctor deaths you've caused in my games by doing that
So I mean it was a terrible answer (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021222.html#msg1021222) but it's there so why not just address the next step instead of going from square 1?
And the "blatant contradiction" thing from CF7 is the least damning thing he's done so it's hrrr drr? Why pick that one to nail him with the hardest?
Everything you said about Raikaria in your own post would be fine if it wasn't identical to what you just said about him now.
There's a lot more that's happened with Raikaria in between the victimizing and the RVS stuff so no update on that?
I don't remember everything >.>
First off, I was around to actually comment on it when it happened so I decided to push. I dropped it into null when CF7 gave an actual answer to the question.
Kind of a bit late but meh. I thought Raikaria could flip scum, but I wanted a CF7 lynch more. (Also the bit where I talked about pushing masons lynches being scummy applied to him too, although looking back I really didn't say a lot on him.
Don't see how CF7 NOT claiming makes him town. It can happen for either allignment where they leave before phase end, so I don't see it as indicative.
CF7's claim is the main pause for me because otherwise I think his contribution isn't all that different from Raikaria's but huhwhat seems to have this under wraps so go talk to him.
don't see claiming a detrimental role as really townish or anything, i've claimed vanilla miller and pgo as scum before. Feels kind of like a week reason to call CF7 town, we don't know what fakes scum have (if they have them).
Getting weird vibes on Kilga but I'm out of time right now. Will try and get into more detail when I get back.
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waiting till i'm properly caught up to cast a vote
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2.1: Crazy for You! You Bad Votecount!
their love is so surreal.. and this song makes it sound like a love that is on the verge of
becoming real but then again its impossible.. i dont know how to describe it but i feel both sad and happy
when hearing it, nevertheless nishijima and 9th make such a good couple!
- someone who watched a different anime then me
Serious Bananas (3): Conqueror, BigBangMeteor, Schezo
CF7 (1): Dormio
BT (1): Kilgamayan
Not voting: NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, Serelas, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, Zakeri
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 68 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130920T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+2)
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Okay, since i've exhausted my "horrible logic" supply, let's try some
normal logic. Or something. I had quite a lot of time to read through this hell couple of times and here are some of my thoughts.
But first things first. My D1 behavior was a deliberate attempt at getting lynched. Since it backfired horribly i won't try it again, but i'm still technically a VT with really bad bonus.
Let's start with Paperblade.
Claims his role as the first post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020530.html#msg1020530).
Which, imo, is just bad playstyle. I'm immune to investigations, so
don't bother. And does RVS vote against BT.
Then changes his opinion pretty much over nothing and starts tunneling
on Dormio. Also votes Dormio. And says that my RVS vote is bad. Then
continues tunneling on Dormio.
This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021315.html#msg1021315)
Continues pushing for Dormio lynch. Which is just more than irrational.
His next post is happily jumping on my wagon. Sure why not, my posts
are bad anyway.
Then this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021458.html#msg1021458)
Suprise more contradictions. Thinks Rai is town, but thinks Rai is
scum.
Prims would you support a last minute Yoshi lynch
And again off-hand comment out of nowhere insisting on pushing for Dormio lynch.
So, tunneling on Dormio, not accusing anyone else, somewhat random vote
jumping. Jumping on sure wagon with not so good reasoning. I think all this points that
Paperblade is scum.
First of all, it's emphasized as special. Though this might imply that CF7 intends to do something with it, it's really quite strange.
He hadn't mentioned Schezo up until this point, and he doesn't mention Schezo afterwards. Why is this your "special exclusive case"?
In addition to this, the reason for Schezo potentially being town isn't given at all. Instead, it's just a few reasons for which Schezo might be scum, but he's not just because.
It looks like an attempt to set up a jump to Schezo in the near future.
Perhaps CF7 was expecting someone to make a sudden case on Schezo which he could latch onto before the whole Raikaria/CF7 situation heated up?
It was a response to Schezo's "Figth me". So i went "Okay i'll bite" and wrote that i wrote. Actually it was just my read on him, nothing more, nothing else.
In the light of today NightKill flip i also apologize to HW/Serela.
I was a bit perplexed about HW/Serela to be honest. You can call this paranoia, but there were so many things that didn't quite add up... Their mason claim at the start of the day, their overall behavior, their votes. Serela last minute hammer with really bad motivation.
Shadoweh has time to post in the scum QT but not update the game. :C
whoops, *mason QT
This. And so on.
Will write some more reads a bit later.
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My router got turned off in the last hour of deadline >____>
Really fucked me over, I was writing up a vote to switch to CF7 when it happened.
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Anyway I guess I'll have a readthrough again and post when i'm less busy
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Okay let's try this again
##Vote: Yoshino
Yoshino's first big content post was on Rai, and people questioning him on this was met with winning lines that are basically the equivalent of "deal w/it nerd" and shrugging emoticons. When Conq suggested that maybe Yosh's insistence that Rai was scummy even though he always acts this way means Yosh is wrong and not Rai is scum, Yosh goes "No I already accounted for that" but doesn't explain
Then he posts about Serela and determines he's scum, and brushes off Prims hard defending him as "Well maybe he's just bored" which is pretty hand wave-y
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So. What I disliked about Conq yesterday was that he seemed way too biased about voting me that there's a decent chance he's faking it.
Instead of considering that my arguments against Raikaria might have "morphed" because I kept reconsidering my stance and found more comeplling reasons he just mentions it like some scummy development. Brushing off my side suspicions with "TD Tojiko" meta is also there and I don't think that's warranted. Pursuading huhwhat to reconsider his stance on me because he thinks huhwhat is biased against HIM is backwards, plus he words it like huhwhat didn't read my posts properly... pretty sure huhwhat would have had to do that in order to sheep me on Raikaria.
He went as far as to say that Raikaria's CF7 vote sits well with him but that's meaningless because it's not hard to understand why someone would vote CF7. Also way too much weight is given to RaikariaScum looking for the best vote without considering that he may have just chosen to go with "what I'd do as town" instead, don't understand what was so batshit about that. I didn't feel like he did a good job of defending Raikaria / answering my arguments for his lynch and Zak/BBM made agreeable points with much less of a hassle, it brings into question how much of the Raikaria defense is genuine and not just from the bias of arguing for my lynch, a defense for the sake of an attack.
Now, his current SB vote is mostly on bad content (even though I do not object - but it's easy for scum). I think I'd rather focus on other things today though - a lot of my feels here are the usual paranoia crap because I can't completey refute that he'd act the way he did as town and I wouldn't think he has TOO much motive as scum to be fakebias yesterday instead of rolling in with a nice townie post. (but on the other hand conq can refer to my play in disgaea that he seems to have fond memories of for why i think scum can benefit from being like this)
CF7 I want to think is town for the claim and the nature of D1, namely having the L-2 wagons stick around for so long and multiple people either shuffling between the wagons or not caring in the first place. I'm actually probably exaggerating here but I don't know, there's also the claim that I said vouched for him from the beginning. (KILGA - I didn't think that much of the 'contradiction' and the main reason for raikaria > him at the time was the claim regardless of that point, it wasn't really a discard (but it is now))
Schezo's a problem. Aside from the NNR push that looked serious (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020865.html#msg1020865) but ended (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020926.html#msg1020926) with a lame "he looks town now, was just hating on his unvote/vote", it felt like his vote on me was a park after this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021337.html#msg1021337). I had been posting at the time, I'd dismissed some of his arguments and he seemed to have things to say about other folks, where's the update on the dude he was voting? As a matter of fact he never addresses me again and waltzes in at the very end of the day with an excuse that's literally shit.
oh my lord. I was holding out for Raikaria because I didn't like SB and BBM on the CF7 but he doesn't care.
##Unvote:
##Vote: CF7
I mean it was pretty obvious that Raikaria and CF7 both left a few hours before this? I can't figure out why he sat out on the last 4-5 pages of the day. Add to this that Conq was going on building arguments against me at the time and Schezo is totally oblivious, like, did I become uninteresting all of a sudden because of lack of wagon interest? Not taking a "soz wasn't there" excuse either because I'm pretty sure I remember him browsing the whole time (or at least until I logged off like an hour before hammer) and the above post suggests that he was following the thread.
His SB case is also pretty underwhelming.
Now NNR. Some its and bits from him are striking.
Man I can see why Raikaria really wants Serela dead. She really has been dead weight so far. Regrettable he's a mason and I can't have one of them lynched until later.
Doesn't sound like he's addressing someone he thinks is scum (Raikaria) here.
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Shezo post
Okay actually a Raikaria scumwagon is pretty plausible, I'll admit. Cf7 suggesting Raikaria is simply the SK and trying to lynch him is also bad bad bad and I wouldn't have noticed. This post makes me want to switch to CF7 tbh
On the other hand Schezo could be scum trying to get people off Raikaria though, he isn't too good as far as my gut.
"this guy may have a point" "wait this guy could be scum nevermind" Basically shoots his own point (waste of time) and makes Schezo look bad at the same time.
Though what bugs me the most is that he never explained why he views someone as scum overall, just a bunch of little nitpicks ammassed to put him in a comfortable voting position. This being the case for both Raikaria and CF7 and even Dormio who he said was null here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020824.html#msg1020824) and as far as I can tell he's not null anymore for being Dormio? I guess "inconclusive text walls" but what's scummy about that?
I kinda want to lynch Dormio for being the most worthless and making a bunch of inconclusive text walls tbh
I'm not really seeing Town!Raikaria or Town!CF7 though, but maybe it's because I'm not really getting why they would be after 45 hours of badposts
To highlight the "position" reached. It's bad scumhunting at best but this is NNR so that "best" may as well be it. Eh. I'm hesitant, but leaning scum.
Couldn't think of anything major to add to my opinion on SB (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021479.html#msg1021479). Want to see him with up-to-date reads. Also his waffling on Zak for role related reasons doesn't strike me as fake and all you anti-setup peacocks can come at me. Not a priority.
..though I'm not impressed by his recent posts. and getting second thoughts on the flavor gut feeling because his first line comes literally out of nowhere and is probably looking for towncred from people like me
i swear shadoweh was too lazy to give me a unique role because mine just feels like it's made up of other people's claimed roles so far
because i really don't know why you'd post this otherwise
##Vote Schezo
Schezo >> SB~Conq >> NNR or something
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Dormio can you focus on other people first because it doesn't seem like anyone is interested in Zak?
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/me is hummmming like a powerline.
Surprise, surprise. The next case this time surprisingly is actually "exclusive and special"?. Schezo.
Switches votes pretty much every 3 posts.
One (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020926.html#msg1020926)
I really don't like this blank unvote with "i need to read stuff reasoning".
HW isn't cool. Wagon can't be cool.
Somehow he never doubted HW being mason town.
And yet votes (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021057.html#msg1021057) for Serela.
Raikaria will be one of those "detriment to the town lynches" and probably flip town. Whooo hoo.
Raikaria is probably town, like he knows for sure. Then votes for me. Then that Serela vote, then BT vote.
I will shamelessly lynch CF7 if he wants to go bugger off without a claim near deadline.
Probably he has never heard of timezones, that people might be living on other side of the globe and might be sleeping. Then hopping back on my wagon.
All in all his behaviour is quite disruptive and not contributing much. If he's not anti-town, at least he's not pro-town either. And while overall behavior is suspicious, it's still not deserves a vote. Or maybe it will when i'll think a bit more about all this.
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>I am still on every scumread list
>I didn't expect to live to D2
;w;
Anyway, I reread my notepad posts from yesterday.
As far as CF7, I still think he's pretty scummy, regardless of Conq's night post. SK is still a pretty weird claim to make at someone you're trying to lynch, and it's an easy excuse for scum to make to justify lynching someone who isn't also scum, especially since CF7 is a newbie and probably would have a harder time making a bus case.
I still think Dormio is scum, that hasn't changed.
##Vote: Yoshino
Had a bunch of really lame text walls throughout D1, which is odd because he was also "busy" but had time to make a bunch of text wall reads, that strangely enough also didn't have a clear conclusion on any of them except Raikaria
Overall, I have no idea what to make of Serela's apathy.
It's definitely anti-town, in my opinion, but I have no idea if it's scummy or not.
However, to me, CF7 just isn't that interesting right now.
Ugh, these are just awful. He could not sit on the fence any harder about his non-Raikaria reads, In fact, he more or less just coasted on the Raikaria vote to the end of the day. Now only today does CF7 suddenly look interesting enough to vote.
There's also the point where people called bullshit on his Raikaria text wall, and he immediately went to defend it with a bunch of "no u" retorts, which comes off as scum caught red handed but having nothing they can do about it.
There's also BT, but I am kind of stuck about where to place him in my reads. On one hand, he pretty much went the whole day without really scumhunting.
On the other hand, his responses to people and general posts weren't bad, it's not like it was fluff or something, it just looked like he was trying to hunt town more then scum, which is ???Idunno???? weirdread. My gut says town, though, so I guess there's that.
I also have bad gut on Schezo, but only really just gut. Not quite sure what I'll do with it, but it'll still be a thing.
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As far as CF7, I still think he's pretty scummy, regardless of Conq's night post. SK is still a pretty weird claim to make at someone you're trying to lynch, and it's an easy excuse for scum to make to justify lynching someone who isn't also scum, especially since CF7 is a newbie and probably would have a harder time making a bus case.
I said in my recent post that i was trying to actually get myself lynched. And my Raikaria vote was deliberately made to look bad.
Anyway, ##vote Schezo.
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CF7 do you mean Paperblade is inspect immune or you are inspect immune? Also don't play suicidal town ever again if you have been. TBH it's weird that you wanted people to lynch you because of your role but then you ended up revealing your "role" anyway?
Paperblade post about other things. Dormio/Yosihno is typically like this as town. I mean you could technically be in the right but then I have no idea what else you're doing.
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CF7 thoughts on my Schezo vote?
I need to think more about Dormio I think because initially I thought he was town for one of the reasons Conq brought up (why would he not just post a conclusion after some of his walls as scum?) but I can't really shoot down the cases on him or at least not comletely.
cut again
CF7 can you make clear your priorities later? Because you said Schezo doesn't deserve a vote just now.
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>I am still on every scumread list
>I didn't expect to live to D2
;w;
Am I not the only one who even talked about you so far.
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I said in my recent post that i was trying to actually get myself lynched. And my Raikaria vote was deliberately made to look bad.
Anyway, ##vote Schezo.
I missed that until now. It still doesn't clear you, of course, but I guess I'll keep it in mind.
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CF7 do you mean Paperblade is inspect immune or you are inspect immune?
I am an ascetic do not target me unless you want your action to fail
Also don't play suicidal town ever again if you have been. TBH it's weird that you wanted people to lynch you because of your role but then you ended up revealing your "role" anyway?
Ugh. It's a tricky question. Or rather that i can't really answer it without answering what's wrong with my role and how it's bad. That came out wrong... But it's the best explanation i can give.
CF7 thoughts on my Schezo vote?
Well we have some suspicions that are the same and some that are different, but i think they kind of compliment each other.
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First things first.
Had a bunch of really lame text walls throughout D1, which is odd because he was also "busy" but had time to make a bunch of text wall reads
Yes, I'm busy. Why should that make me unable to make long posts?
that strangely enough also didn't have a clear conclusion on any of them except RaikariaUgh, these are just awful. He could not sit on the fence any harder about his non-Raikaria reads, In fact, he more or less just coasted on the Raikaria vote to the end of the day. Now only today does CF7 suddenly look interesting enough to vote.
Nice misrep, bro.
Yes, I have no solid conclusion on Serela, tell me how my other posts are inconclusive.
Namely, I don't see how my viewpoint on CF7 the other day was inconclusive at all.
What part of "I would vote for this guy except he's not as interesting as Raikaria" is inconclusive?
Dormio can you focus on other people first because it doesn't seem like anyone is interested in Zak?
I'm interested in Zakeri and that's enough for me.
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Anyway, finally back to make that post about Zakeri now so it'll be done whenever it's done.
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One more thing before that, though.
Dormio, answer this please. CF7 isn't for today, or any day, unless you can tell me why this is wrong.
My current theory would revolve around something like a traitor.
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I don't care if you're interested or not, there are more pressing topics I'd rather you address first. Zak isn't going anywhere.
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Like what, Schezo? Not interested at all in that. As for NNR, I'll post about him after Zakeri.
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...if you're not interested you could at least explain why
I mean I don't think my case is bad
and there's SB too, I mean he's the original Big Wagon here
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:| Paperblade do you have anything to say about, like, anything other than a continuation of your D1 case? I have no idea who else you think ill of right now, and even just a refutation of CF7's case against you shouldn't have taken more than five minutes or so.
SB/BBM can you tell me if this is normal Paperblade behavior? Since you two would know the best and are apparengly gutchecking me over him which makes me a little sad.
Throw Schezo on that list of people I need to reread, I spent D1 constantly forgetting he was in this game
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2.2: A Happy Votecount For The Two of Us
"Can anyone imagine yuno covered in rainbows and cute animals while wearing a flower crown?" Well I can now..
Serious Bananas (3): Conqueror, BigBangMeteor, Schezo
CF7 (1): Dormio
BT (1): Kilgamayan
Dormio (2): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex
Schezo (2): BT, CF7
Not voting: Serelas, Serious Bananas, Zakeri
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 62 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130920T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+2)
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ITT Paperblade and Hurrmio combine to form a single vote.
Should also probably explicitly mention that Paperblade didn't appear to try to tie in the flips with his case on Hurrmio. Unless Raikaria's flip was an implied part of it.
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so i'm reading now and uh
apparently 1/3 of the living game is immune to investigation
what
Conq, was your hider claim serious or not?
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Posts might end up cluttered but fuck it all I feel better when I play this way than with a quicktopic.
Of the people actually running their mouths I don't think anyone is scum over the lurkers. BT is excluded for not saying anything other than defense of NNR.
If Zakeri actually posted I wouldn't really have a problem with him since I agree with his point on Raikaria being the lynch today just because "Raikaria D1"
Dormio is shamelessly living 50 posts which is just okie dokie chap.
Serela's pulling a Serela and lurking day 1 out but is ~Confirmed town~ tm so I'll leave that be.
I like CF7 as the lurker to vote most though. Since Dormio's shamelessness makes it a little better in how I feel about him.
##Vote: CF7
This passage strikes me as off. He talks about how BT is the only one me finds as scummy as the lurkers, but then when you look into his reasoning for voting disliking them it's:
-Zak hasn't posted a lot
-Dormio is behind
-Serela hasn't posted a lot but is conf town
-I want to vote CF7
Seriously, he just says "I want to vote CF7 the most out of the lurkers" and leaves it at that. It's almost as if he feels like he HAS to vote in the lurkers or something, which is just narrowing down suspects for no reason and really bad. The only other mentions of CF7 in his posts i could find via ctrl+f is an rvs vote, "I will eat you CF7" and telling him he doesn't know how being scum works and to stop ignoring NNR. So basically there's no mention of him actually finding CF7 scummy ever before he votes him and his reasoning for voting him isn't exactly stellar.
Also when he retracts his NNR suspicion claiming it was just to get him to move his vote one would imagine he would switch or at least mention why his next highest scumread (BT) was scummy in that post. He didn't. He also switches back to him later without giving any reasoning at all, only giving reasoning later on.
BT apparently claiming that he doesn't want to vote a lot of people while simultaneously attacking Schezo without a vote down anywhere. looks pretty bad too though,
90% sure Zak is town now due to CCing Prims then Prims dying in the night would incriminate him badly (along with stuff in my role.)
When I said CF7's wallpost didn't really give reads on everyone, I meant stuff like "BT gave some reads and then disappeared ,Pretty much same thing with SB." aren't actual reads and just looks like he's faking content to look like he's contributing more. He also says he thinks that Prims is scum (assuming he ignored the whole masons thing, which would EXPLAIN the beef he has with him, aside from the sweeping statement that his posts were empty, they weren't) then votes Raikaria for suspecting him. The last part has been beaten to death already, but eh.
Raikaria, personally i think that you're SK.
About HW/Serela being masons. Since when we're believing claims on D1 when the one who's claiming don't even have wagon on them? Also where's the proof that masons actually are here in this setup? That just pulling stuff out of thin air. So, no it doesn't make HW claim any townier to me.
There's never proof any role is in a closed setup 100%, this is just grasping hard and the fact that they don't have wagons on them implies that most people didn't want to lynch them.
Gotta go have dinner then prolly do homework but I'll be back afterwards.
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Death in the family today. May not be home until several hours after originally planned. Sorry for the continued lack of presence, everyone.
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:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
My condolences, Kilga. Take your time if you need it, I wouldn't stop you.
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Upon thinking about it I realize I'm doing this entire game a massive disservice by continuing on. This latest life development wouldn't affect my play emotionally, but my free time was already stretched thin and now it's almost completely shot. I hate to do this on principle, but it's the lesser of two evils at this juncture.
@Mod: I would like to officially request a replacement. I will keep playing until one is found, but the sooner the better, for the sake of everyone else that wanted to have fun.
I'm terribly sorry to all my fellow players for dumping this on them (particularly all the SFers since I've been very vocal about playing with them). Hopefully this slot will soon be filled by someone that can actually meet Mafia's time commitments.
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Because my dad thought it was a good idea for me to walk with him and the puppy to the shops when it's dark and cold when I said I was doing homework, I may be longer than expected.
Also sorry to hear that Kilga ;_;
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BT apparently claiming that he doesn't want to vote a lot of people while simultaneously attacking Schezo without a vote down anywhere. looks pretty bad too though,
I can't parse this line. What are you even talking about here?
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And thank you, NNR (and SB).
(Hey Bard if you're still watching I have a warm seat here that's JUST dying to meet your butt!)
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I can't parse this line. What are you even talking about here?
You're attacking Schezo when your vote isn't down anywhere, which implies that you found him scummy. I get that there were a bunch of people you wouldn't vote for, but considering you never said anything otherwise (if you did, I missed it) I kind of assumed that you were finding him scummy and therefore should be voting rather than flailing around a lot saying basically there are a bunch of people you don't want to vote for. If you didn't want to vote Schezo why spend that time attacking him?
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##Vote Schezo
Schezo >> SB~Conq >> NNR or something
???
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this was much earlier in the game, for clarification
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If you want to take your cases to the next fucking level, look no further than BTs 562.
First, I don't understand why it's lame to just get a read from someone's frustrations and go with it. If I get a townread I get a townread, the fuck you holding it against me for if you don't have a scumcase on NNR? Really the only reason to open with this is to try and make me look as bad as you can.
I can waltz in at the end however I want. At that point I was fine with either of them going and decided to base my vote off of how my other reads were voting. I was getting really paranoid of BBM and SB so I figured the best vote would be whatever they didn't want and went with that. I only had time for a quick skim of them and the things I already mentioned about SB were swaying my vote and I got scared of BBM for basically nothing but that's how the end of the day went down. I didn't have time to go back over you since I wanted to decide on the two wagons.
The real kicker is this shit right here.Not taking a "soz wasn't there" excuse either because I'm pretty sure I remember him browsing the whole time (or at least until I logged off like an hour before hammer) and the above post suggests that he was following the thread.
Really? All I had time to do was follow along via phone. You want to outside game influence the vote with this then fukkit.
CF7 must take lessons from BT because this is also next level scumhunting. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022159.html#msg1022159)
You had your chance to call me out for my unvote when I got a townread on the person I was pursuing. It's be stupid to keep going after someone I thought was scum after I got a townread so I had to go reread the game for my next case.
HW isn't cool. Wagon can't be cool.
Making a jest at huh what too fucking strong.
I already explained my rage at Serela doing nothing and this is before the mason claim was outright.
Raikaria is probably town, like he knows for sure. Then votes for me. Then that Serela vote, then BT vote.
Ok and? That's how Raikaria day 1 meta usually goes down. He plays awkward and people get mad and vote him for it. I thought he was derping so I said so. You want to tell me what was wrong with my BT vote when I made it?
I will shamelessly lynch CF7 if he wants to go bugger off without a claim near deadline.
I don't know I just figured with you being a leading wagon you'd have at least claimed before you left since there were like 7 hours left at that time. I already stated why I find this scum behavior.
I clearly stated reads and follow ups day 1 so what are you looking at when you say I'm not contributing much? A derp town on Raikaria. A townread on NNR. A case on BT you want to handwave to make this comment.
If he's not anti-town, at least he's not pro-town either. And while overall behavior is suspicious, it's still not deserves a vote. Or maybe it will when i'll think a bit more about all this.
This fencesitting too strong. Nothing changed in between NNR's post and so I'm suddenly a great vote for you.
Well we have some suspicions that are the same and some that are different, but i think they kind of compliment each other.
nice. I think you'd at least go over and comment on how these OP cases compliment each other but GJ.
SB mah man. Hindsight 555 is negligible answer now so w/e
[quote author =555]Don't see how CF7 NOT claiming makes him town.[/quote]I already said I find this more akin to scum behavior more than anything. So.
It's almost as if he feels like he HAS to vote in the lurkers or something, which is just narrowing down suspects for no reason and really bad.
I didn't find anything bad about the people that were actually talking. Why would I pursue them?
Pretty sure I got a good shot (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021210.html#msg1021210)on CF7 off about how he was being a loon and I still think he was using SK alert as a buzzword just because it was dropped earlier in the thread. Never answered the question why Raikaria was SK over scum
Also when he retracts his NNR suspicion claiming it was just to get him to move his vote one would imagine he would switch or at least mention why his next highest scumread (BT) was scummy in that post. He didn't. He also switches back to him later without giving any reasoning at all, only giving reasoning later on.
I'm gonna need some context on this one though because I got no idea what you're talking about. If it's the unvote post I'm gonna hurt you.
So we got the BT scum because that was terrible. We got the derptown making a polluted case and we got not sure yet on SB.
##Unvote:
##Vote: BT
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Also i'm not sure if you're all blind or something, but i actually claimed my role as a VT. Why people keep ignoring it is a mystery.
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This is at your lack of claim yesterday.
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Here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021247.html#msg1021247)
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First, I don't understand why it's lame to just get a read from someone's frustrations and go with it. If I get a townread I get a townread, the fuck you holding it against me for if you don't have a scumcase on NNR? Really the only reason to open with this is to try and make me look as bad as you can.
My reason for opening with that is to show dissatisfaction with the whole of your D1 play because that's how I feel. Sure townread whoever you want but you made a point of attacking NNR over his play so after you dropped it I'm asking myself what went on in the first place. If all it took is a frustrated reply (which imo is being overrated) to just cancel out the numerous problems you were spewing about his play then it reflects badly on that press.
I'll concede that you being uninterested in me in the final hours of the day is fine actually. But why was your vote up to SB and BBM? It seems like a lame way of avoiding having to prefer one wagon over the other because some other side suspicions from earlier cover for that. At this point (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021337.html#msg1021337) I really didn't know why you were still voting me and not taking a more active part in discussing the wagons. And you didn't take an active part all the way to day end.
I also don't appreciate this case badmouthing, it lets you vote me as if my case is worse than it really is. You didn't even address it fully so that's not warranted on your part. Not to mention there's more to my play.
I clearly stated reads and follow ups day 1 so what are you looking at when you say I'm not contributing much? A derp town on Raikaria. A townread on NNR. A case on BT you want to handwave to make this comment.
This was to CF7 but it feels like you're giving yourself way too much credit.
This fencesitting too strong. Nothing changed in between NNR's post and so I'm suddenly a great vote for you.
We got the derptown [CF7] making a polluted case
First quote and other remarks looks like you're otherwise thinking he's scum but you have to conclude that he's derptown because I don't know? Is it because other people said so?
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You [BBM] don't trust him [Zak] solely because of a setup you haven't seen the entirety of?
This is literally the only thing you brought up against BBM to justify why you claim to have been scared shitless of BBM and SB right now.
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So yes I think I'll call bullshit on your excuse for not being more involved in the hunt.
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TBF you do mention you had "nothing" on BBM to justify this. But yeah there's not enough evidence for this and it's not a solid way of picking a wagon in the first place.
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Basically my thoughts here is that assuming all wagons on D1 were town (or just D1 end if you don't want my bias) scum are likely to just do the minimum and Schezo's way of sweetening up his below-minimum sounds like a tale scum would tell in his position in lack of anything else.
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2.3: Song of a Certain Votecount
Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu Shinjitsu
"Next time a guy steal you a kiss, don't put your hand in his face, thank him and call him "protector". " It's like poetry.
Serious Bananas (2): Conqueror, BigBangMeteor
CF7 (1): Dormio
BT (2): Kilgamayan, Schezo
Dormio (2): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex
Schezo (1): BT, CF7
Not voting: Serelas, Serious Bananas, Zakeri
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 53 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130920T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+2)
Searching for a replacement for Kilgamans.
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Fuck you guys make really long posts and it's difficult to get anything from them because I want to just skim. >_>
First off, I dislike how SB didn't really respond to any of the votes against him. And he didn't vote for anyone either, so I'm not actually even sure what he talked about in all the posts he's made today? IIRC he was pushing someone or the other (BT?) for talking about people a lot without voting them so it's doubly worse. What makes it triply worse is that by page 3 of D1 he had four ordered scumreads and now he's voting for nobody? Not feeling good about SB.
Schezo's random paranoia makes no sense to me right now and I dislike how he chose not to go with CF7 just because the people on that wagon were suspicious according to him, just to handwave the suspicion on at least one of those at the beginning of D2. What exactly was he finding suspicious about my playstyle?
I don't think Paperblade has spoken about anybody but Dormio? I think some irl stuff has him sort of depressed right now + he's better with flips and whatnot, but he still needs to give opinions on other people. His tunneling is not in the ordinary. That being said I doubt both him and SB are scum, so he's not a high priority for me atm.
My reasons for my townreads are all sort of weak and gut-based, but I sort of feel like Conq/BT/CF7 are town (yeah I know I thought they were all scum at various points yesterday, deal with it), plus Serela. Not really interested in lynching any of them atm and tbh I don't even get Schezo's vote on BT? Can he elaborate?
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Alright, sorry for the delay.
I fell asleep on my desk, woke up at 2AM, managed to get back to sleep at 4AM, and lost my post in the process.
I'm here now though!
... With a 40% assignment for one of my courses due tomorrow...
There's a couple of things that stick out to me in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021038.html#msg1021038) of Zakeri's.
The first would be this response to Schezo:
I like your Gusto.
If I don't call somebody out for something, it's because I didn't catch it, not because I'm trying to coast through as scum. I get accused of this in every game that's expected to last beyond a week.
I don't get why the last sentence is necessary at all.
It's like a distraction to add further substance to a response that didn't need one.
What does that particular sentence achieve other than appealing to our emotions in order to try to create a particular image of himself as being a victim?
And then there's also this response:
Also the point about my stance on Raikaria - What's wrong with letting people talk about something just because I don't care? Raikaria's not in danger of getting lynched at the point, so I have no reason to defend him directly.
Firstly, this doesn't even answer Conq's statement, which I'll quote here for convenience.
zakeri continuing to push the "confirmed town" point and choosing to ignore all the everything else that has already happened in the thread is going for refuge in audacity. like, seriously.
The point was originally about Zakeri continuing to press the "confirmed Serela" case on HW, yet Zakeri gives an overly defensive response so as to why he's ignoring Raikaria.
Zakeri does state here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021058.html#msg1021058) that he has a reason for it, but it still doesn't excuse the fact that he's focussing far too much of his attention to this singular point.
Why is this the case? And why does he even feel the need to defend Raikaria in the first place? I don't get it.
As for Raikaria ... well, I'm getting really sleepy right now and I feel like even if I read him I'd get a null reading since his meta makes him resistant to every reason I remember reading people are suspicious of.
Of course, when Raikaria does start getting more attention, Zakeri really does try to defend him.
Personally, I don't particularly like white-knight-ing.
I'm undecided between Dormio and BT right now. BT would basically be a prodvote to pressure him into finding at least one scum but everyone seems to fall that way already.
I still thank the amount of effort put into Dormio's case on Raikaria is too disproportionate to how town would go about it, but I don't really know what else I'd get out of him other than asking him to make cases on other people.
I guess for day one's sake, BT is the worst one between them.
##Unvote: Huh What
##Vote: BT
I'm working on it. I'm up past my bedtime just like everyone else right now.
My vote on BT was for pressure and I'm pretty sure he's been responding to some things (at least lately) in an information gathering manor. ##Unvote: BT
Cut by BT becoming less of a wagon without my input, I guess.
I don't particularly like this sequence either.
Despite stating earlier that BT is pretty much the scummiest person that he can find, Zakeri later states that his vote on BT was for pressure purposes so that BT could go look for some scum himself.
Isn't this rather contradictory if you consider that Zakeri's strongest scum read at the time to be little more than a prod?
It's amusing to me that the person voting another for not having strong reads doesn't have any strong reads himself.
To me, this looks like an excuse to simply look like he's scumhunting while buying time.
I mean, up until this point he had basically been tunneling HW for a point he gives up quite easily upon being pressed by Conq here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021089.html#msg1021089).
I'd like to think the answer to the second question is implicit, but I admit I don't have an answer for that first one since in retrospect the effect of our roles vary slightly.
Uhh, god damn it.
I don't really see a reason why HW's role holder would be scum unless it's to prevent gaming the setup, but to go that route would be completely forced and circular so I don't feel comfortable keeping this vote without a serious reread.
I do agree that the setup for Zakeri's counterclaim on HW looks pretty genuine.
Of course, this could be the product of so many things, so I haven't really been taking this into consideration.
I would also like Zakeri's current opinion on CF7 a lot.
Anyway, more posts whenever I get around to it and I'm not drowning in assignments.
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Searching for a replacement for Kilgamans.
Dammit, woman, just let me do this for Kilga already.
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Confirming Bard as my hero.
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Bardiche replaces Kilgamayan, effective immediately! \o/
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##Vote: BT, re-establishing Kilga's vote because Kilga is a bro and can't be wrong.
Reading thread now. Any quick "yo Bard this is pretty priority important" stuff would be helpful and interesting.
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Will get to this thread later than usual today.
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Okay, just plain vanishing wasn't my plan, but I recently saw this week's work schedule and also just learned I'm moving in several days >_> I'd consider replacing if it wasn't that it's not really a big deal if I can't post much for most of D2 given my status
But from what I've gotten over reading D2, don't think Dormio is scum, considering SB/Schezo the most, followed up by BT and Paperblade who I need to reread again to reconsider. Null on NNR and holy crap I haven't paid a single bit of thought to BBM maybe I should reread him when I have the time. CF7/Conq/Zak most likely town and leaning town on kilga
Yes I'm NOT planning on doing "lol I'm confirmed town so I'm not going to even try to contribute to discussion" after I have more time to pay attention to the game >_>
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Today has been kind of long for me and my router might cut out soon, so I won't be able to make a content post until tomorrow morning again.
I skimmed and I'm mostly drawing a blank on what to say about this last page or so of posts, and my gut isn't helping much either, though.
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I like how the posts after mine are all apologies, excuses and promises of doing something later. :X What did I replace into?
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##Vote: Dormio for end of day one reasons.
Which is to say that I manage to put off rereading all day, I'll get at least a few ISOs out before I go to bed tonight.
Also, stating that I ignored SB's first question about my character name. Do you have non-role-related reasons for asking about it? If it's about clearing myself, it should be clear by now that role claims shouldn't affect reads.
blatant prod dodge in a game full of proddodging. Sorry Bardy.
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I'm not done reading but.
BT, in the interest of moving things along.
How do you feel about Conqueror.
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Well, my computer just froze up on me and ate my post so I'm just going to post this first.
No, I wasn't claiming.
Schezo, I don't get why you're voting BT especially as in your BT vote post over half of it is responding to SB and CF7.
SB, why are you hesitant to place down a vote compared to yesterday? I see some poking at BT and Schezo that's at least on the same level of the vote reasoning that you had in your first vote post, so what's holding you back?
Paperblade, why is Dormio the only person in the game?
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Also I want to >:( at the fact that I wrote more last night than some of you wrote for today. Laaame.
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SB on the other hand. Oh sheeeit. I thought he posted again after I questioned him with 360 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021337.html#msg1021337). So I still want an answer to this please.
His interactions with Dormio are weird. He calls the unmemorable Dormio unmemorable. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021323.html#msg1021323) And then Dormio answers my question (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021359.html#msg1021359)to SB about Raikaria when Dormio hasn't really said anything about Raikaria in the recent posts before that. The two of them are just so awkward.
##Vote: SB
Not getting your reasoning here (I know you've changed your vote, but I want to know what you were thinking at the time). I don't think you've said anything else about Dormio today and I'm not seeing why you voted SB for having weird interactions with Dormio which means...what?
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I don't know how you guys can say I'm tunneling on Yoshino. I have a scumread on CF7 but I'm way more confident in the Yoshi scumread. He was on Rai pretty much all day and surprise Rai flipped town. I feel like you're misrepresenting my actions so that you can ignore them to talk about other things.
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I have a scumread on CF7 but I'm way more confident in the Yoshi scumread. He was on Rai pretty much all day and surprise Rai flipped town. I feel like you're misrepresenting my actions so that you can ignore them to talk about other things.
Okay, so explain why you think CF7 is still scum today and how Dormio and CF7 scum fit together, among other things. Also, there were a bunch of other people on Rai all day, so why are you singling Dormio out for it?
One of my main issues with you is that I feel like you're ignoring the rest of the game and sitting on this Dormio rock. Like, what do you think about people like SB/Schezo/BT?
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I'm not sure why I need to have a scumbuddy link to think two people are scum. I don't really like linking people together as scumbuddies before they flip unless I have a very good reason to do so ("X is only scum if Y is because of roles"), since it's easy to draw false conclusions. Like, if I went back and got evidence on why Yoshino and CF7 are scumbuddies, and then one of them flips town but the other is scum and alive, he and his scumbuddies can try to attack my case going "Yeah well this wasn't true so the rest of your case sucks." And if it becomes acceptable it becomes easier for scum to push bullshit cases because of speculative evidence.
I said yesterday when he was a potential wagon that I think BT is town. I actually don't remember much SB did so... that might be a bad thing actually. Will reread him and Schezo.
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2.4: Every Day Can Be 48 Hours Guys Votecount
It's because I killed jesus, isn't it? No one wants to post on Easter Sunday..
Serious Bananas (2): Conqueror, BigBangMeteor
CF7 (1): Dormio
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (3): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex, Zakeri
Schezo (2): BT, CF7
Not voting: Serelas, Serious Bananas
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 43 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130920T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+2)
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Basically it's guesswork without knowing anything. Like an equation with all unknowns. I'm still suspicious of that out of nowhere masons claim. Justification "HW is silly" is wonky at best. Still there's no single vote on any of them. Somehow noone except me haven't thought about that they actually might be scum. Yes it's risky. Yet it's highly profitable in return. From what i've seen and can say, that HW likes to gamble somewhat in mafia. So why not? But starting the wagon that noone might follow is, well... waste of a vote. Plus even if we don't have a third party it doesn't make Raikaria any less scummy. Something like that.
Anyway work hours are over. Will be back in an hour or so.
Don't like this thing at all. Honestly the masons case felt more like an attempt to push the case through numbers rather than because the players were scummy, and it feels kind of like distancing from the choice. Also his lack of conviction to follow through and try and convince people isn't really good either, if you have scumspects you try and get them lynched.
At that point I was fine with either of them going and decided to base my vote off of how my other reads were voting. I was getting really paranoid of BBM and SB so I figured the best vote would be whatever they didn't want and went with that. I only had time for a quick skim of them and the things I already mentioned about SB were swaying my vote and I got scared of BBM for basically nothing but that's how the end of the day went down.
Missed this and it's kind of really bad. It's pretty much distancing from his own vote, and it pretty much reads to me like its mine and BBM's fault for not being on the mislynch wagon.
dont have time to address shit atm, i didn't come back last night which is when i was planning to vote but eh
##Vote: Schezo
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... With a 40% assignment for one of my courses due tomorrow...
Because of this, I will likely not have the time to make a proper post in the thread until tomorrow.
Unless I happen to make one once I finish my assignment at whatever godawful hour.
Which I will probably end up doing.
But either way, don't expect a proper post from me for the next 12~24 hours.
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I don't like Schezo defense at all. He says it's my case on him is just superbad, keeps insisting that i didn't claim my role at D1, when i did exactly that and other people noticed it and somehow he didn't.
Off to read the thread some more.
P.S. Take a shot everytime Shadoweh miscount people in votecount. =)
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Humm. Actually i reread Dormio. And Paperblade does have a point. Dormio's D1 posts are pretty much single targeted to the point where he dismisses me in favor of Raikaria. And only votes me in the end. D2 Zak post has some merit and alll in all i'm confused.
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I'm just here to ask a few questions.
Actually i reread Dormio. And Paperblade does have a point.
My focus on Raikaria has been mentioned by several people over the course of both D1 and D2.
So why is it only Paperblade's mention that sticks out to you?
Because it looks to me as though you're trying to validate Paperblade's content for some reason, and I have no idea why you would want to do that.
Dormio's D1 posts are pretty much single targeted to the point where he dismisses me in favor of Raikaria.
What of it? I thought Raikaria was more likely to be scum, and that's where my vote went.
I don't see what point you're trying to make here.
And only votes me in the end.
And this is blatantly false, unless I'm horribly mistaken about my own actions.
Could you show me where I switched my vote for you in lieu of Raikaria.
Anyway, back to assignmenting.
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Your vote here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022046.html#msg1022046)
I\m not saying, that you're scum, we all make mistakes, it's just a bit odd what pretty much all your focus on D1 was Raikaria.
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Your vote here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022046.html#msg1022046)
I\m not saying, that you're scum, we all make mistakes, it's just a bit odd what pretty much all your focus on D1 was Raikaria.
You, uh, do realize that what you linked to D2 right?
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Actually I think I've decided to gut Schezo as town instead. His weird prediction that Raikaria's wagon was scum driven guts town thoughts, along with general weirdness and paranoia.
I guess scum could always call a wagon being "scumdriven" too, but I realized I tried to link Rai and Schezo as scumbuddies the day before.
I dunno, I'd feel better if Schezo was town, but I feel weird trying to change my gut read like that. More gutcheck will be required.
Kind of want to vote Paperblade despite him also voting Dormio with me. His lack of post content is really glaring. He needs more reads on other big people like Schezo and BT, more active participation.
SB and BBM are also forgettable in this game, much to my annoyance.
I have a gut town read on Conq, but I always have a gut town read on Conq.
No real change in opinion on Dummyo. Posts are still mostly long writeups or defending writeups, writeups continue to be inefficient and kind of worthless.
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You, uh, do realize that what you linked to D2 right?
Oh... Okay.
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Since I'm working on my assignments for now, and therefore not working on writing any cases, I'm going to entertain your thoughts NNR.
How exactly are my posts worthless?
You still haven't answered my repeated question on which of my posts, other than the one on Serela, fail to reach a conclusion.
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I'm sorry that I generally have classes until 5-6, physiotherapy twice a week, and spend more than 2.5 hours commuting back and forth? My phone also sucks so posting more than two or three lines at once is really annoying, and reading a post longer than two paragraphs is even moreso.
I need to reread NNR but that Schezo opinion in his last post was pretty worthless, and had bad logic. Just because you thought that Schezo and Raikaria were both scum and one of them flipped town, it doesn't mean that the other needs to be town as well, especially because IIRC your Schezo/Raikaria buddy theory was based on individual scumreads rather than a linked one (might be wrong though)
I didn't really think Paper was that bad earlier, but he totally overreacted to the accusation that he's tunneling on Dormio. Yeah, maybe he has some stuff on CF7, but even he should be able to see that he's pushed that a lot less than the Dormio case. Suddenly taking that to "you're misrepping my actions so you can ignore them" is pretty bad, especially as a good chunk of the game has expressed this opinion (more people than can be scum, I'm pretty sure).
Also I need to go over Dormio's posts again. The ones with content are so long that I've lost all desire to read them carefully.
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You, uh, do realize that what you linked to D2 right?
Actually, after some thinking, it doesn't help your case one bit. Raikaria is dead and flipped town, so you switched to me, as the next most interesting case. And there's some weird system of tunnels going on. So far FoS for you.
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BT, in the interest of moving things along.
How do you feel about Conqueror.
...As an update to the last point I HAVE been reviewing what happened yesterday some more and I think it was justified of town!him to think I was evil scum manipulator at the time. If he's scum I can't nail the reasons for it with enough certainty and would probably have to wait for scumflips for any serious suspicion.
Gonna read some other folks today, I think.
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EBWOP: as an update to the last post (where I said I suspected him but would focus on other things)
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Dormio what do you think about Zak's end-of-D1 posts?
NNR can you reply to this?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022166.html#msg1022166
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##Vote: Dormio for end of day one reasons.
Um I just ISO'd you and I don't know what these are.
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Dormio what do you think about Zak's end-of-D1 posts?
Not entirely sure, which is why I said this:
I would also like Zakeri's current opinion on CF7 a lot.
Also, it's 1:30AM and I think I'm going to go to sleep now.
I likely won't have time for a proper post until after classes tomorrow, which end at 5PM.
So I guess you get to wait until then for my next super wonderful post.
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Actually I think I've decided to gut Schezo as town instead. His weird prediction that Raikaria's wagon was scum driven guts town thoughts, along with general weirdness and paranoia.
His "prediction" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021210.html#msg1021210) was just because he was pushing me at the time. Wouldn't gut it as town before I consider it as an easy way of handwaving a wagon when his vote on me didn't turn out to be that strong at all when fact-checked.
I need to reread NNR but that Schezo opinion in his last post was pretty worthless, and had bad logic. Just because you thought that Schezo and Raikaria were both scum and one of them flipped town, it doesn't mean that the other needs to be town as well, especially because IIRC your Schezo/Raikaria buddy theory was based on individual scumreads rather than a linked one (might be wrong though)
As I'm reading his post right now, this isn't what he meant. He meant that because he himself was scumlinking people on D1 (Raikaria and Schezo) it suggests that Schezo doing it is town too. But it.. doesn't. It's null (if the suspicion is good and it wasn't even good). The fact that NNR did it changes nothing.
I dunno, I'd feel better if Schezo was town, but I feel weird trying to change my gut read like that.
Then why would you feel better? <_< This sentence sounds like you're almost forcing the read change. Your weak reason for doing so suggests as much.
SB and BBM are also forgettable in this game, much to my annoyance.
There is a big difference between SB and BBM , don't lump the two together.
No real change in opinion on Dummyo. Posts are still mostly long writeups or defending writeups, writeups continue to be inefficient and kind of worthless.
Go in-depth. (echoing Dormio)
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2.5: The Votecount Continues.. Who is God? Yeah!
Ubiquitous shouldn't be so darn catchy. Also why do people make anime youtube accounts to roleplay?
Serious Bananas (2): Conqueror, BigBangMeteor
CF7 (1): Dormio
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (3): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex, Zakeri
Schezo (3): BT, CF7, Serious Bananas
Not voting: Serelas >8o
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 35 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130920T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+2)
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Going to sleep early today. Hope things will move to somewhere when i wake up.
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Oh, before I go to classes for the day, I'm just going to tentatively switch my vote.
##Unvote
##Vote Serious Bananas
Don't like the Schezo wagon, and I'll post why I'm moving my vote to SB when I get back home.
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Am I not the only one who even talked about you so far.
Up to that point, I guess not, but I skimmed and thought I saw my name a bunch of times. Weird panic moment I guess.
His "prediction" was just because he was pushing me at the time. Wouldn't gut it as town before I consider it as an easy way of handwaving a wagon when his vote on me didn't turn out to be that strong at all when fact-checked.
That's probably why I felt queasy doing it. I thought it was a good idea but when I thought about it, that's not really true.
@Dormio: "Looked less interesting" isn't really a strong opinion.
Your last wall on Zak doesn't look conclusive either. From what I can tell his reactions "look town but might not be" which says nothing.
The walls themselves are pointlessly jumbo and just make me want to simply skip them (Which might be your plan). Why not just write paragraph like everyone else and stick a definitive read (scum, town, null, leaning)? Is that so hard? Your posts are just hard to read, nd the amount of time you put between them makes the older ones worthless after a couple days.
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Having a confusing writeup every 12 hours is definitely a good way to look active and get away with not really playing, you know. Add this to the fact you can essentially say "Covered him, time to ignore for the next 3 days" means you can just tunnel whoever but say you still have reads on other people.
Why are you scum, Dormio?
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Hello i have spent the last 5 hours buried under homework and am completely exhausted mentally atm. If shit stays this bad I'm subbing out but I'd rather not if i can avoid it
Just gonna claim now so that people don't lynch me for weak/lack of content when I'm struggling to find time to generate new content
I'm Yukitero Amano, the Town Dependent Hider
Basically every night I hide behind yuno gasai compulsively, and almost all actions fail. I don't know yuno's allignment but I'm assuming that it's zak.
I asked conq if he was hider so that if he was i could cc him, but he wasn't so meh
I'm sleeping now, sorry =/
Will try and pump content out before phase end, if nothing else i can catch up in the night if I'm not dead
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I'm in classes right now but...
@Dormio: "Looked less interesting" isn't really a strong opinion.
Your last wall on Zak doesn't look conclusive either. From what I can tell his reactions "look town but might not be" which says nothing.
What the literal fuck?
"I think CF7 is scum, but Raikaria is more likely to be scum."
"I think Zakeri is scum, but I find his claim to be genuine. I am awaiting further information about Zakeri due to a lack of clarity in regards to his opinion on CF7."
I believe that you need to work on your reading comprehension.
The walls themselves are pointlessly jumbo and just make me want to simply skip them (Which might be your plan). Why not just write paragraph like everyone else and stick a definitive read (scum, town, null, leaning)? Is that so hard? Your posts are just hard to read, nd the amount of time you put between them makes the older ones worthless after a couple days.
And, again, what the literal fuck?
Why should I limit myself to a single paragraph when I have so much more to write?
Just because you're incapable of reading ~500 words, why should I have to ignore things that I want to discuss?
Also, will digest SB's claim when I get home, but immediate reaction is that it just makes me want that CF7/Zakeri lynch even more.
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##Unvote: SB since I guess he's confirmed town?
SB, if you hide behind Yuno Gasai, do all actions against you just fail, or do they get redirected to Yuno Gasai?
##Vote: Paperblade for now because that last reaction was pretty bad and Schezo has enough votes ftm.
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>Replace in
>Post to dodge prods
Smooth, Bard. I've really lost the interest in Mafia I used to have.
Result of reading game: I gave up at page 10, too much chattering. As a result, I'm forging forward solely on Kilga's posts, advancing the great foundations he's laid.
tl;dr I think BT is scum because:
A) Kilga voted him.
B) This post says Conq is sort of scummy/suspicious (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022155.html#msg1022155), and then when I ask him about his Conq feelings he does a 180 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022611.html#msg1022611) after reviewing. While it's not outside of the realm of possibility I don't like it when townies adjust their views based on re-interpreting past events, rather than looking at present events (and letting them guide a re-interpretation).
Basically, unless Conq gave rise to BT to think of him as more Townie (and BT does critique him for an "easy" case), the 180 is weird. Especially since he's second after Schezo in suspicion. That's a HUGE drop in suspicion.
His SB case is also pretty underwhelming.
This is mentioned against Schezo which is kind of pointless? Since here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022155.html#msg1022155) BT says SB is equal to Conq and less than Schezo in suspicious, it feels like the above line is meant to underline that "SB is scummy but the case against him isn't good", which seems like BT wants SB more than anything?
SB why is Schezo scummier than SB and why is/was SB as scummy as Conq?
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BT why is Schezo scummier** etc.
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##Vote Paperblade
Overall participation in the game feels coasting-tier. Being lazy about vote justification because confirmed town, but after rereading him this is an actual scumread, and in comparison I'm waffling on the other people I'm considering as scum (lack of proper time to read the game and 18 page d1 don't help tho')
since SB just turned soft-confirmed town I'm hype on possibility of a paperblade wagon starting
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Hmm, the claim checks out with SB's behavior around Zak's claim and his prodding for flavour?
If it's true then there are two mason-like groupings in this game which is what (assuming SB's claim at face value because hiding behind scum!Yuno and not dying...doesn't make sense. i guess the role isn't really a hider in the usual sense in that case)
Zak's behavior from the beginning of the game though combined with this...if the claim is false then SB and Zak were setting it up from the beginning which is unlikely imo.
Although SB could you explain what you meant by this
only thing is role things is making me waffle hard on zak right now (as in his combined with mine)
Since in context it looked like you were about to write Zak off as town but something in your role gave you pause and I'm not sure what in your claim would do that.
##Unvote
##Vote: Paperblade
I'm down with this wagon. Can't say I really know how he plays but I think the way he's parading his Dormio vote reeks of fake confidence.
Where did Schezo go?
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2.6: Me! Now? The Greatest Votecount!!!
"Kousaka was my favorite. ;w; He's just so...so interesting. XDD I knew he was always going to do something amusing when he appeared. And he actually said some sensible things to Yukki at the end. And his song is just ...just...BRILLIANT! >A<"
Serious Bananas (1): Dormio
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (3): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex, Zakeri
Schezo (3): BT, CF7, Serious Bananas
Paperblade (3): BigBangMeteor, Serellea, Conqueror
Not voting: No one /o/
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 23 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130920T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+2)
Schezo, Paperblade, Zakeri and Serela have been proded. Prod dodging is no defense!
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Bard you're thinking too hard.
I mentioned the line about Schezo's SB case for no underlying motive but the fact that I think it's underwhelming? Even if I wanted to consider it a point for town!SB he drops the vote pretty quickly and then says SB is inconclusive.
Also note that I haven't actually dropped Conq, I just think my main reason for suspecting him isn't as relevant anymore. I don't think what I said gives the impression that I dropped him either, just focusing on other things for today? It's not a 180 and you should stop representing it as one, especially because SB is 99% town now (yay) so I can push forward SB mislynch --> Schezo bus theories. ...So nothing solid pre-flips.
I think the yay answers your question on my position on SB too. I thought his content was bad but at the same time had some doubts that it's just a result of lurking.
I don't think there's much reason to doubt the claim, Zak probably isn't Yuno but another role and the Yuno role probably has some reason to keep Yuki alive as well. And anything but SK/ITP Yuno would be a disgrace to the setup but that's enough gaming out of me.
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oh ftr I don't reject this paperblade wagon on sight, I don't think his Dormio suspicion was bad but he probably still could have talked about other stuff? beyond just pointing out reads like scum CF7 and town BT (btw is he not going to update his CF7 read based on his play?)? BBM/SB can correct me if I'm wrong
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Here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021247.html#msg1021247)
ahahahahaha I'm so fucking bad at this game. Holy shit I really did not see this yesterday because I'm either blind or what. I can see why everyone hates my comment about wanting to lynch CF7 for buggering off.
What I want to know, is why you people have been reading me all day now, let me say shit like this:Conq I find the not claiming thing to be scum because if you can just disappear and not claim at all I feel it makes people more hesitant to hammer over someone who actually claimed. It just feels our meta is that way to me.
"Oh god he didn't claim hrrm err uhh what if he's a really good role" *hammers the other guy*
Don't see how CF7 NOT claiming makes him town. It can happen for either allignment where they leave before phase end, so I don't see it as indicative.
I already said I find this more akin to scum behavior more than anything. So.
Although SB apparently isn't reading this game either so I mean like, fuck.
So I mean the biggest offender here is obviously BT. I'm his number one pick for scum and I've been basically lying for all of today. Hey. There's no callout on this. At all. The fuck?
This says to me he isn't reading my posts he's just trying to find shit to fling on me. How do you build a huge case on someone and not call out such an obvious contradiction? There's literally no explanation for this other than him not reading my posts.
This is literally the only thing you brought up against BBM to justify why you claim to have been scared shitless of BBM and SB right now.
Pretty sure "paranoia" doesn't come from huge conclusive cases. It comes from oneliners that rub you the wrong way like this one did.
Conq, I felt BT's case wasn't genuine on me at the time hence the vote. I know it isn't now.
Comment on Dormio/SB is more personal reference in case one flips scum.
Missed this and it's kind of really bad.
This is the kind of diction I read into when I hear people's cases. I would much rather you call me out for this instead of just swing around it like you're doing here. Is it bad? Then say so. Don't do this kind passive aggressive swing.
This is literally how I chose my vote at the end of the day. I don't get how you got I'm blaming you two for not being on the ml wagon from that.
I don't like Schezo defense at all. He says it's my case on him is just superbad, keeps insisting that i didn't claim my role at D1, when i did exactly that and other people noticed it and somehow he didn't.
Don't blame you. I wish someone would have called me out on this a lot earlier.
His "prediction" was just because he was pushing me at the time
lolz
I don't see why people are autoclearing SB for that claim. What makes it so town?
I'd be fine with a Paper lynch since there's just Dormio Durrmio "hey what the fuck I have stufff on CF7 too!" and that's about it.
But really. I need everyone here to lynch BT.
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So I mean the biggest offender here is obviously BT. I'm his number one pick for scum and I've been basically lying for all of today. Hey. There's no callout on this. At all. The fuck?
This says to me he isn't reading my posts he's just trying to find shit to fling on me. How do you build a huge case on someone and not call out such an obvious contradiction? There's literally no explanation for this other than him not reading my posts.
Actually it says that I misinterpreted it as you basically saying "vt with nasty modifier and that's it is to vague to be a claim" and not giving a fuck about him not wanting to say more.
I have been reading your posts sorry to let you down.
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I don't see why people are autoclearing SB for that claim. What makes it so town?
SB claimed Yuki --> Zak claimed D1 his role says that Yuki is town --> SB can only be scum if Zak is --> I think Zak is townish (except he made one proddodge post today and disappeared, seriously >_>)
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Conq I find the not claiming thing to be scum because if you can just disappear and not claim at all I feel it makes people more hesitant to hammer over someone who actually claimed. It just feels our meta is that way to me.
"Oh god he didn't claim hrrm err uhh what if he's a really good role" *hammers the other guy*
No wait this should have told me otherwise
>_> You can take me missing a single part of a post as evidence of "lol he's not reading!!" all you like but I mean it's not like the rest of the case came up from just me looking at stuff in your posts and going "let's point this out" because I actually could have pointed out more if I'd done that and I'm actually analyzing shit.
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I can't tell because I've said it twice today. You aren't reading, keep your attitude.
Thanks Conq that makes sense now.
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Pretty sure "paranoia" doesn't come from huge conclusive cases. It comes from oneliners that rub you the wrong way like this one did.
It doesn't have to come from huge conclusive cases (this isn't what I said) but there being no evidence lets you make up paranoia all you want
I mean you admit you were paranoid of BBM for no reason and I'm like "did you just notice this retroactively?"
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Even my failsafe failed today.
Since the conversation has gone this direction, I will confirm that I'm Yuno Gasai.
What was your end of day one case on Dormio? I couldn't find it in an ISO of you
link to a post where Dormio (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021045.html#msg1021045) responds to the point I brought up. I didn't push it any further than that because I was too busy being an idiot at the time.
My top three scumpicks at the end of Day 1 were Conqueror, Dormio, and CF7, but reading Conq's posts overnight convinced me that all of them were probably wrong. I put my vote on Dormio because of the three of them he still felt the most scummy to me, and also half because I wasn't sure how long it would take me to finish rereading.
at the time I'm writing this, I've caught up to just beyond Dormio's case on Raikaria, and I've reaffirmed that I don't like how inflated it is - the only points of the case are "Defending is bad, The way Rai is defending is bad, and that Rai is waffling on HW". The first two points are actually the same one, and i feel should read as null. I don't like how he defends the case against meta by saying "It's still scummy (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021045.html#msg1021045)" because it sounds to me like thinly veiled Policy Vote.
I don't expect to actually get anywhere pushing the above point because it's a matter of how you're reading his intention. It's hard to explain why I feel it's scummy without its coming off as "He's scuml ergo..."
followup post soon, and nothing should get in the way this time since I actually have done most of the day one reread.
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real quick in case it has/ever will come up: I only had the alignment, I had absolutely no details about My precious Yuki's Role name or effects.
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[Crazy Conspiracy Theory.]
I've been thinking, judging from the roles, or rather Mirai Nikki characters. Can't Yuno and Yukki be scum?
[/Crazy Conspiracy Theory]
But in the light of SB and Zak claims and the fact that Dormio is really defensive in his #644 i think that lynching him is the right choice.
##unvote
##Vote Dormio
Also i've reread pretty much anyone again. And i can't quite put it into words, but Kilgamayan's posts were giving me some flaring mental alarams. Probably have to reread him again.
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Guess who's back?
... Seriously, who is it? I don't know?
Well, whatever. Let's make a post anyway.
First things first, I'm going to believe Zakeri's claim regarding Serious Bananas.
##Unvote
Of course, this doesn't mean that my thoughts surrounding Zakeri have changed, but we can get to that later.
Having said that, I still want to see CF7's lynch.
##Vote CF7
However, it doesn't seem as though anyone agrees with me, and time is starting to run out.
Can I ask everyone for a reason so as to why we aren't lynching CF7?
I'm under the impression that the general consensus seems to be related to CF7 claiming that he wanted to be lynched near the end of D1.
But I have to wonder, why couldn't this action have been a desperation move?
There's nothing to rule it out as being a feint.
If necessary, whilst I don't have an original case on him, I will switch to Paperblade to secure a lynch tomorrow morning.
I just don't like lurker lynches because they feel so useless.
I also don't like lurkers in general.
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the fact that Dormio is really defensive in his #644 i think that lynching him is the right choice.
Are you claiming that NNR's bullshit is somehow credible in any way, shape, or form?
Because, if you read properly, you'll note that what I'm doing in those posts is correcting NNR as opposed to really "defending" myself.
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Also, Zakeri, if you're still here.
I would also like Zakeri's current opinion on CF7 a lot.
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I'm under the impression that the general consensus seems to be related to CF7 claiming that he wanted to be lynched near the end of D1.
But I have to wonder, why couldn't this action have been a desperation move?
There's nothing to rule it out as being a feint.
Question. It was desperation move to actually what? There wasn't even proper wagon on me before my Raikaria vote.
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Shift attention away from yourself by taking refuge in audacity.
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Okay first thing.
Even my failsafe failed today.
???
Since the conversation has gone this direction, I will confirm that I'm Yuno Gasai.
If you are an ITP of any sort, TODAY is the only acceptable time for you to announce this, not D3, not D4, etcetera. Bard is playing so you know this'll be enforced.
If you're town I assume you know to claim anything important there is to know about your relationship with SB provided it's safe.
Likewise SB should elaborate if he knows something important provided it's safe.
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Finally reached day one hammer.
Also, Zakeri, if you're still here.
I was just about to get to that.
I did my usual thing of looking indepth all the people on the wagon (and Schezo since I had thought he moved from Raikaria to CF7... I have a lot of questions but that's for the end of the post.)
BT and BBM both seem natural to me. I was incredibly suspicious of BT at first because I had to make a pressure vote on him, but he was an active participant in discussion and comments a lot. While he had trouble expressing scumreads directly, Nothing in any of his posts jumped out to me as scumreads.
Kilgamayan also reads like I would expect him to, and I agree with a lot of the insights he made at the times he made them. Basically, no reason to press anything, especially considering I'd have to press someone else for them.
NNR is a nullread because my litmus test for sounding townie doesn't work with his posting style.
My biggest beefs from the previous day are (fittingly enough given the past few posts) Dormio and CF7.
Now that I've actually read the cases he made, I have a few complaints
- The only three points he brought up against Raikaria were " I just remembered I already posted this which is why I can't find it in my notes.
To follow up, The Serela case was weak, full of i don't knows and maybes, with nothing to say about his alignment one way or the other. this becomes even more jarring when it comes after HW claims masons with Serela. I'm not sure about the timing but I can see scum intent in doing this, while following up with the claim that he's not accounting for HW's mason claim. It's basically a lot of padding put into being able to cost while having given a full reread.
unfortunately, what detracts from this is his later honesty when discard the case in favor of trusting HW on his word. There's also the CF7 case he made later which I didn't catch anything seemingly scummy in. These don't actually make me think he's town, but it does introduce reasonable doubt into the equation.
I actually agree with Dormio's recent point about the clear on CF7. I backed off and kept onto Dormio because I bought into the clear Conq gave for him, but if you look at his day one record in comparison ... he shows a lot of disinterest in keeping up with the game, and refers to how poor his role is multiple times. I feel like his willingness to sacrifice himself might not actually be based on his alignment at all, but rather his role and it's use to his alignment. if he was a vanilla goon, or if he was beneficial as dead mafia, it wouldn't be a stretch to have him give himself up for additional bussing credit (which would mean the rest of the mafia would be on his wagon if he's scum).
The disinterest in the game is clear from his lack of posting for most of the day, but also in that his first few votes were blanket suspicions on random people posting. I never got the impression that he was scumhunting, and any vote on Raikaria throughout the day was opportunistic (to the point where town seemed to repeatedly try to jump off of the Raikaria wagon)
I also want to bring back the Voting Rai as Serial Killer bit. Again, it's not really scumhunting. Whenever you vote someone and bring up the possibility that they are the SK, what you're really saying is that the person is either both scum and town or neither scum nor town. When asked to explain his reasoning, he actually mentions it's because he notices Raikaria was attempting to form a wagon on someone he thought was scum. The vote was poor because not only was it opportunistic, be he basically admitted that he was voting for Raikaria despite Raikaria being town.
Between these two, I feel less comfortable voting for Dormio because, again, there's some reasonable doubt regarding his actions on day one.
##Unvote: Dormio
##Vote: CF7
Cut: By failsafe, I mean my failsafe for making absolutely certain I leave myself with nothing to focus on except for writing stories and mafia. I had originally planned to start reading before a long time before 4a.m.
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Shift attention away from yourself by taking refuge in audacity.
Actually i attracted enough attention that people still willing to lynch me even after i said that i don't want to be lynched. It's not a scum behavior it is suicidal behavior, which it actually was. But i'm just repeating myself.
I actually agree with Dormio's recent point about the clear on CF7. I backed off and kept onto Dormio because I bought into the clear Conq gave for him, but if you look at his day one record in comparison ... he shows a lot of disinterest in keeping up with the game, and refers to how poor his role is multiple times. I feel like his willingness to sacrifice himself might not actually be based on his alignment at all, but rather his role and it's use to his alignment. if he was a vanilla goon, or if he was beneficial as dead mafia, it wouldn't be a stretch to have him give himself up for additional bussing credit (which would mean the rest of the mafia would be on his wagon if he's scum).
If your theory is true, when look for scum in this list.
CF7 (6): Raikaria, Serious Bananas, Paperblade, Zakeri, Conqueror, Schezo
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And to that list the fact that i posted my 2 accusative cases against Schezo and Paperblade. This brings double-bussing to the whole next level i guess.
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I know Paper only joined this game bc he wanted to play with BT- I don't think he really has much time or inclination atm. I haven't seen him active on SF anyways. Being this lurky for so long isn't really his regular play as either alignment, so I'm not voting him solely on that and I don't think anyone else should either.
TBH I mostly dropped Dormio because his later posts showed a lot more effort in them. I'll get to them tonight since I don't have school tomorrow; I promise. While I think SB is probably town based on Zak's claim, it doesn't necessarily mean that Zak is. I think Prims? made a point that he could be SK with a role that let him confirm someone as town for towncred. There was only one kill last night so odds are there's no SK, but four confirmed townies just seems fishy to me.
Two town-sided ascetics also seem kind of fishy btw.
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Shift attention away from yourself by taking refuge in audacity.
Something that you've been doing quite a lot this game?
I dunno what to make of SB/Zak now. Like the Masons, I don't think we can let both of them live to LYLO, especially Yuno, who will just auto-clear Yuki if Zak speaks the truth.
I could get behind a Paperblade wagon, I guess.
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2.7: My Wish Lives In The Future Votecount
"Who knew someone as psychotic as Yuno could create something this...this... EMOTIONAL?!?! :'D I love this song even though it's my first time listening to it~ XD"
CF7 (2): Dormio, Zakeri
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (3): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex, CF7
Schezo (2): BT, Serious Bananas
Paperblade (3): BigBangMeteor, Serellea, Conqueror
Not voting: No one /o/
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 10 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130920T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+2)
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tbh, I even bookmarked the first page of this game but every time I come to do a reread or something I just read a couple posts and then get distracted since it's kind of a lot of reading. I'm not really sure what's causing my substandard play since at this point it's not related the issue I had a week ago (I actually think I got over that rather quickly and handled it well all things considered), although it's possible that contributed to my slow start which kind of snowballed into the apathy I'm feeling right now.
There's not exactly much I can do to defend myself, I'm Reisuke Houjou the Ascetic, but I already claimed that second bit yesterday. Apparently SB is that guy Zak knows to be town and is basically CCing me (although we don't know the details of his role?).
I still think Yoshi is scum though. I'm also not really sure what to think of SB and Zak. It would be pretty dumb to throw away the lives of two mafia to get one person lynched (esp since I'm playing like trash already), but SB might be going "Oops I guess our roles are different enough *shrug*" and get out of that way because "Oh it's too scummy for them to have done this they must be town."
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I'm wondering if it's because of laziness or not reading my arguments that people didn't end up rereading Schezo? In any case this blows and I'll readdress tomorrow.
##Unvote
##Vote Paperblade
I'll review Paperblade/Dormio (mostly Dormio methinks) before this ends to make sure this is what I prefer.
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/sigh This timezone is really inconvenient. Or rather that it's so far away from majority of players here. I need to sleep badly and sleep deprivation is really not my thing. Not sure who exactly i want to actually pick. I kind of leaning to Dormio, tho. So i'll leave my vote where it is.
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And considering how slow things are going, i won't be really surprised if we get no lynch today.
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I feel completely and utterly dead right now but I'll try and get a post up.
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I won't be here for deadline. Trying to decide between Dormio an Paoerblade. Schezo gut is still there as well. Hmm...
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My vote obviously goes to Schezo if people end up swinging that way but I thought it unlikely with how much time's left.
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I had suspicions in my reread about how he handled the day's end vote, but then I rememberd he cleared that up at the beginning of Day 2.
From what I remember of paperblade, I don't disagree with the lynch. He is lackluster in posting relevant content.
I don't want to pin the CC thing on him, even though SB is town. Mainly because I've already experienced first hand the worth of indirect CCs like ascetic vs compulsive single target hider. It's tempting to write Paperblade off as scum due to roles but I really don't want to write anything off "due to roles".
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The "He" in the first line is reffering to Schezo.
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Ehhh... I'd still rather lynch Dormio...buuut.... ugh, this is hard.
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Hrmmm... this is hard, but I'm going to go with Paperblade.
##Vote: Paperblade
When it comes down to it, he's simply the odd man out for me. He conflicts with my investigator-ascetic and SB's hider role, and his play has been subpar.
The fact he claimed ascetic D1 is what a townie would do though... hrmmmmm...
I'm going to risk it and stick with Paperblade. I'll see how things turn out at deadline.
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Bleh, my gut is telling me I'm going to regret this later. Only time will tell.
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2.8: Yuki Yuki Yuki Yuki Yuki Votecount
"yuki yuki yuki yuki yuki kimi no mamote ageru yuki yuki yuki yuki yuki yuki yuki no mite takara ora yuki yuki yuki yuki yuki isone kaero nee aaa yuki yuki yuki yuki watashi no ishite no karane aha yuki aishiteru, kakoiooo yuki no mite kureta shiozetana mamoruyo yuki daishobu daio nane mo soruio taskeni daio kaero yuki mitsketaio yuki watashi o mite aooshi mayome nishata yokata nee nani o giseni no shinetio yumenanoioda!!!"
CF7 (2): Dormio, Zakeri
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (2): Paperblade, CF7
Schezo (1): Serious Bananas
Paperblade (5): BigBangMeteor, Serellea, Conqueror, BT, NekoNekoRex
Not voting: No one /o/
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 5 hours and 35 minutes remaining.
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This is surprising, though. Just how confident were you about Dormio for the past how-long-it's-been?
I mean, yeah, setup problems, but that can only go so far.
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I actually think that CF7 is scum over Paperblade
post incoming
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stop trying to game the setup seriously
Two town-sided ascetics also seem kind of fishy btw.
Why didn't you highlight this back when we both claimed on the second page? I won't say that Paperblade's play has been great abut everything in this post where you talk about Paperblade is basically everything turns out to be a null tell on him or attacking his claim over the playerslot himself, which kind of distances yourself from his lynch if he flips town.
Zak needs some scumreads too, it won't do anyone good for him to just park on HW without anything on the 11 other players that aren't HW or Raikaria. Similar thoughts on Schezo.
Weren't you just doing this? Pretty much hypocrisy here.
I don't think Zak is very town atm, tbh, he doesn't have any scumreads and his vote isn't actually too good.
Mostly reluctant to vote him because he has so few thoughts on other players.
This is still horrible reasoning not to vote for someone, not having opinions on other players is exactly why you're finding him scummy. You're basically saying you're not voting him because of his scummy behavior? That's dumb. It was also the same vote you were using.
He could not sit on the fence any harder about his non-Raikaria reads, In fact, he more or less just coasted on the Raikaria vote to the end of the day. Now only today does CF7 suddenly look interesting enough to vote.
...
There's also BT, but I am kind of stuck about where to place him in my reads. On one hand, he pretty much went the whole day without really scumhunting.
On the other hand, his responses to people and general posts weren't bad, it's not like it was fluff or something, it just looked like he was trying to hunt town more then scum, which is ???Idunno???? weirdread. My gut says town, though, so I guess there's that.
I also have bad gut on Schezo, but only really just gut. Not quite sure what I'll do with it, but it'll still be a thing.
Just swap Raikaria for Dormio and you're seeing the exact same thing you're attacking Dormio for. You use your gut as an excuse to make BT seem town but then discredit it in the next line when talking about Schezo too.
Cut: by NNR waffling more on Paperblade's role. It's null because scum Ascetics don't want to stay quiet and then end up under fire by townies who find their actions randomly failing on them (see scum!manix in touhou on sf.)
CF7's "I was trying to get lynched" is actively horrible, never do that even with a detrimental role unless it only comes into effect on death, willingly resigning yourself to be mislynched is terrible town play since your playerslot still helps with vote control. There's also all the stuff on Rai for SK and his "exclusive scumhunting" turns out to have him as town just because he's scumhunting, just like the rest of the game which is awful. The listpost in general was really bad, there was barely any backing to his reads (he called Zak town but gave reasons why he was scummy isntead of why he was town).
His Paperblade analysis is also pretty awful, calls outing as Ascetic bad (why wasn't I bad for this?) Then he says he does his RVS vote (so does everyone else) and then changes his opinion, on what exactly? His RVS vote? Then theres' the standard fare "Paper is tunneling Dormio" but apparently he's scummy for trying to get his scumspect lynched at the same time. He also says that this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021458.html#msg1021458) is a contradiction, when in reality he's misrepping Paper hard. What Paper is essentially saying is that he townread BT more than Rai, but doesn't think Rai is scum. NOT that Rai is town and then Rai is scum. "And again off-hand comment out of nowhere insisting on pushing for Dormio lynch." It's called pushing your scumreads. Seriously.
Paperblade's content is pretty shallow like people have said and I guess I could go for his lynch although I found CF7 to be worse honestly. Also him defending 2/3 of the day's major wagons severely limits his options to push mislynches, if he isn't buddies with them. I think there was some other stuff too but idr now I just want to sleep. There's stuff that points to both town and scum Paper and my brain is too frazzled at this point to decide, but some of the attacks on him are seriously awful. I don't see CF7 as town, so my vote's going there.
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
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"This blows I can't get someone lynched with my scum case"
well if you would like for me to preform at your son's birthday party my number is 1-800-hey-bich
[Crazy Conspiracy Theory.]
I've been thinking, judging from the roles, or rather Mirai Nikki characters. Can't Yuno and Yukki be scum?
[/Crazy Conspiracy Theory]
Anybody can be anything from any part of the flavor. The main villain and main hero can be scum together just like they can be masons together it does not matter.
Paperblade is starting to feel like a ml just because he's a quirky tunneler who isn't playing by our meta. I already said I was fine with his lynch but I mean dayum.
Other than the whole "omg look at more than Dormio" there's not much scum intent besides being a lurker.
SB's case is cool I guess about CF7 but I would like him to address this:
Going to stand by my original point that if he were mafia, then he would have made some sort of claim before disappearing at the end of the day; given the playerlist any buddy would have coached him to do the same. His willingness to be lynched given his supposed antitown role looks genuine enough that I don't think it's coming from mafia making a last ditch gambit (which would be a terrible gambit anyway). At worst he's SK who gave up (jumping to the conclusion that Raikaria is SK instead of scum, initial defensiveness with the Raikaria vote, general weirness) but he's not group scum at least imo so not really interested in him. People who still want to lynch CF7 tomorrow should respond to why they think this is invalid.
His content on NNR is fine too but I don't know what that shot at BBM is. Can you rephrase it? I'm having trouble with it.
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I didn't mention that I thought two Ascetics was sort of fishy because it wasn't necessary to get people into a 1v1 of that sort. I only mentioned it as a side thing. My vote for Paperblade is for more than that, and besides, I don't think pushing for someone's lynch on a role basis allows you to just distance yourself from it.
Paperblade's "omg it's suspicious that you say I'm tunneling when I have a CF7 suspicion as well" was a huge overreaction and Paperblade just passively accepting his lynch right now isn't something he'd do as town. I'd be more inclined to treat it as WIFOM than anything else tbh, especially as the case on him isn't so extensive that he couldn't get it off if he put more effort into reads on people other than Dormio.
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2.8: This Votecount Is Brought To You By Cookies
"gnaw"
CF7 (3): Dormio, Zakeri, Serious Bananas
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (2): Paperblade, CF7
Paperblade (5): BigBangMeteor, Serellea, Conqueror, BT, NekoNekoRex
Not voting: No one /o/
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 2 hours and 50 minutes remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130920T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+2)
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Friendly reminder that no majority = a random lynch! You will embarrass your peers!
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Sorry guys, for replacing in and then not putting 250% into reading everything and getting a glimpse everywhere.
From what I gather we have Yuki hiding behind Yuuno, and people somehow confirm this as Yuki and Yuuno probably being Town. I'm not too sold on that, but MOTK Mafia mods letting you game the setup wouldn't be anything weird.
BT I'm going to say that I don't think I'm looking too much into it. You keep flip-flopping about Conq being suspicious and then even if you're not pushing him suddenly dropping him into less suspicious seems superfluous and artificial, like padding your posts to say "hey guys I have opinions on other guys as well!" when you're effectively just interested in one main guy anyway.
Can anyone rehash why Paperblade is so scummy?
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Can anyone rehash why Paperblade is so scummy?
unimpressive case, really lackluster response when questioned about it, in general really low activity/tiny posts
Amusingly even his response to being wagoned is pretty meh :V "Well I guess I kind of deserve it, haven't been playing that well, welp!"
He isn't trying in the slightest to not be lynched so I'm not perturbed from continuing on with the wagon.
Also, I'm kind of amused that around when Bard replaced in the game went from "18 page d1" grade activity to half the game suddenly talking about how they have no time for mafia or something similar
Anyway, Yuki/Yuno being town is Zak claimed he knew Yukiteru to be confirmed town, and people are assuming that this makes Zak town as well; because of the Zak/Mason!HW/Me shenanigans from ED1, this makes sense, because if he's scum he'd had to have been planning this gambit from the -very- start of the game to be responding to HW's stuff like that
With me confirmed town and Conq being a gloriously strong town read, there's an amusing amount of unlynchables hanging out!
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Also, I'm kind of amused that around when Bard replaced in the game went from "18 page d1" grade activity to half the game suddenly talking about how they have no time for mafia or something similar
Let me remind you that if I were a dayvig, you would be posting that in the Graveyard. :<
Until Zak flips, Yukiteru is not confirmed Town. Anyone thinking otherwise is either silly or scum.
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Serela, what makes YOU confirmed Town, now?
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Until Zak flips, Yukiteru is not confirmed Town. Anyone thinking otherwise is either silly or scum.
While this is true, it also involves lynching Zak (lynching SB first just seems silly and scum have better people to NK I imagine) and I think Zak's position in the matter seems pretty solid
Bard I'm confirmed town because MY MASON PLAYER'S ROLEPM WAS REVEALED WHEN THEY DIED AFTER THEY TALKED ABOUT ME BEING CONFIRMED TOWN ALL DAY ;_;
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partner's* not player
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Seriously Bard? When you start asking the confirmed Mason WHAT MAKES YOU CONFIRMED TOWN, it puts a lot of doubt on how closely you've been reading the thread.
And yeah, SB isn't 100% clear until Zak flips town, but two scumbuddies tying themselves to each other that early is pretty bad play. I don't necessarily think Zak is clear, but if he's scum I don't think he'd try to pass his buddy off as confirmed town.
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friendly reminder we have an hour and 14 mintutes and with this level of activity a non-paperblade lynch likely isn't even possible (not that I think this is an issue)
Paperblade l-2, etc
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I for one think a random lynch would be hilarious and make the game more active.
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it puts a lot of doubt on how closely you've been reading the thread.
Result of reading game: I gave up at page 10, too much chattering. As a result, I'm forging forward solely on Kilga's posts, advancing the great foundations he's laid.
I haven't been reading the thread closely. Something to do with being banned from Rumia's Party Games until I replaced in.
Bard I'm confirmed town because MY MASON PLAYER'S ROLEPM WAS REVEALED WHEN THEY DIED AFTER THEY TALKED ABOUT ME BEING CONFIRMED TOWN ALL DAY ;_;
Okay, good to know.
I can swap to Paperblade for the sake of consolidating a lynch.
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I'm around to swap, if necessary, too.
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2.9: This Votecount Is P Much The Same
Oh Nagito, your angry sprite is the best sprite.
CF7 (3): Dormio, Zakeri, Serious Bananas
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (2): Paperblade, CF7
Paperblade (5): BigBangMeteor, Serellea, Conqueror, BT, NekoNekoRex
Not voting: No one /o/
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are 50 minutes remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130920T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+2)
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25 minutes until I lynch
Serela randomly!
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25 minutes until I lynch Serela randomly!
No longer interested in securing lynch, :3 :3 :3
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Looks like I will be here for deadline after all
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:C
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At this point I'm not even sure of Paperblade!scum anymore given his last post is basically just a huge ball of apathy. Don't know why he's bringing up SB "cc" of him right now when nothing about that has changed since D1. I think this apathy is contagious though and today's D2 has just seemed really lethargic on everyone's part. I need a flip. We all need a flip.
Random lynch at this stage would be hilarious but still awful. Let's just lynch the barely contributing lurker, get a goddamn flip, and get this game moving.
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People sitting around saying "I'M STILL HERE TO SWAP" should just go ahead and do it. There's clearly not going to be any change in wagons even if we probably have enough votes to turbo CF7 right now.
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Hmm >~>
I'm just out of my game zone after D1
I kind of want to see Zak lynched tomorrow just so we could see if we can't confirm another townie.
imo Paperblade being apathetic is kinda scummy, townies should fight harder to avoid a lynch.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Paperblade
Done.
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Lynching Zak to confirm a Townie is a FUCKING HORRIBLE IDEA. Lynch scum, not information.
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Hmm >~>
I'm just out of my game zone after D1
I kind of want to see Zak lynched tomorrow just so we could see if we can't confirm another townie.
imo Paperblade being apathetic is kinda scummy, townies should fight harder to avoid a lynch.
This is the same sort of logic as LET'S LYNCH SERELA TO CONFIRM PRIMS AS TOWN
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##Unvote:
##Vote: Paperblade
I kind of want to see Zak lynched tomorrow just so we could see if we can't confirm another townie.
NNR scum gg
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just hammer already, i want the flip before i go to sleep and i dont think paperblade is going to give us any more given his last post
cut yay
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But everyone is assuming Zak is town, which is bad. It's the same as Masons, really, letting them claim sets a bias and letting them go to LYLO unlynched is dangerous.
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still miffed I couldn't voteswitch yesterday.
Damn router.
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yes it's a terrible point to make but I'm p.sure NNR is just trying to say that he doesn't think I'm town.
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yes it's a terrible point to make but I'm p.sure NNR is just trying to say that he doesn't think I'm town.
I would accept this reasoning if at any point NNR had said he thinks you're scummy. He hasn't, other than some generic prod that you should have more scumreads back on like page 3 or something.
If both Zak + SB survive to LYLO then we can start lynching one of them then. And I don't even understand what "setting a bias" means.
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Day 2 End: I Hate Children
"Hey is it just me or are those puppets on Paperblade's hands moving?"
"What, no, you're just craYES DESTROY THEM ALL AND WE WILL CLEANSE THE WORLD IN FIRE!"
You spend the next 24 hours stomping on puppet aliens as they fly around you.
"I don't think this happened in the anime..."
CF7 (3): Dormio, Zakeri, Serious Bananas
Dormio (2): Paperblade, CF7
Paperblade (7): BigBangMeteor, Serellea, Conqueror, BT, NekoNekoRex, Bardiche, Schezo
Not voting: No one /o/
Paperblade was Lynched! He was..
(http://imageshack.us/scaled/large/560/5znu.png)
Hello, Paperblade. You are Reisuke Houjou from Mirai Nikki. You are the Fifth Diary Holder. Blah blah kill them all. Your diary is the Hyper Vision Diary, which takes form of a colouring book. It makes three predictions a day during the main times of the day (morning, afternoon, evening).
Role: Mafia Ascetic Redirector
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
An Alliance (Passive) -That's Classified~
Super Elite (Passive) - You are far too crafty for anyone to ever find you. You will reflexively roleblock any action taken against you. This includes killing roles. You will retain this ability when performing the nightkill.
Late Night Prediction (Active) - Your precise planning allows you to completely fool your target into acting as you wish. Each night you may attempt to redirect a target by private messaging the ##Redirect (player) to (player) command. You cannot redirect a player to yourself. A player will be informed if he is redirected.
You have 24 hours to PM me night actions.
Night End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130921T2350&p0=250&msg=MNM+Night+2)
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:toot:
Blah blah kill them all.
best role pm flavour
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posting is effort
will talk about nnr/bardiche/schezo in more depth later tonight
unless paperblade really likes to superbus as scum (can someone with paperblade meta back me up on this) im pretty sure dormio is town now; the laziness of the votepark by paperblade (and the suggestion of the last minute dormio lynch on d1 when there were a number of active players who had expressed dislike of dormio) just point towards that, plus dormio would have probably bussed paperblade as scum
cf7 is also likely not scum from how paperblade pushed him over rai on d1 when paperblade's post before the cf7 vote was "ill probably vote rai over bt"
bbm starting the paperblade lynchwagon is +++townpoints for him, not that he wasn't townie enough already
bt is pending but not a priority for me.
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alright, i think it's between bard/schezo/nnr. paperblade reactions here werent as illuminating because there wasn't any meaningful interaction either way.
Bard's content upon replacing in has basically been a one-track pursuit of BT. And from what I can tell his case on BT is basically "BT dropped his Conq case"
BT I'm going to say that I don't think I'm looking too much into it. You keep flip-flopping about Conq being suspicious and then even if you're not pushing him suddenly dropping him into less suspicious seems superfluous and artificial, like padding your posts to say "hey guys I have opinions on other guys as well!" when you're effectively just interested in one main guy anyway.
I'm biased here because I know I'm town, but assuming I'm town (I don't know what you're assuming since you've never given a direct opinion on me) why is it scummy for BT to stop pursuit of a townie to look for scum elsewhere? Comparing this to padding a case with fluff is a pretty big reach.
I've been rereading Schezo's case on BT and I'm just confused as to why he thinks BT is scum. Okay, so you "know BT's case wasn't genuine," why? I can buy you missing CF7's claim from D1 but after that's all resolved the back and forth between you and BT just reads like a battle of rhetoric. And after the initial vote on SB, that's basically all Schezo has for the day.
NNR, why did it take you until a Paperblade wagon was already going before you mentioned Paperblade's ascetic claim conflicting with your claim and SB's claim? I also think NNR isn't reading Dormio's posts and is just brushing them off as confusing walls.
Having a confusing writeup every 12 hours is definitely a good way to look active and get away with not really playing, you know. Add this to the fact you can essentially say "Covered him, time to ignore for the next 3 days" means you can just tunnel whoever but say you still have reads on other people.
The walls themselves are pointlessly jumbo and just make me want to simply skip them (Which might be your plan). Why not just write paragraph like everyone else and stick a definitive read (scum, town, null, leaning)? Is that so hard? Your posts are just hard to read, nd the amount of time you put between them makes the older ones worthless after a couple days.
Stuff like this is basically a playstyle attack; he's not attacking the content, he's attacking the way it's presented. NNR, why is Dormio scum?
As for BT himself, there's nothing in BT's posts in the thread that couldn't have come from BT!scum I guess but I think the way he's pressing on NNR and Schezo makes sense from a theoretical town!BT. In any case the way he's questioning people is townier than the one-track pursuits by the people mentioned above, because having only one scum read at this stage of the game is just terrible. There's also other stuff that makes me lean towards BT!town that will either become clear with my flip or that I might elaborate on tomorrow.
flips dont change my opinion on zak/sb being not!mafia, plus sb and paperblade setting up to counterclaim each other in the beginning of the game would be lol. third party zak is plausible given that paperblade's flip implies some sort of nonmafia killing role but we'll cross that bridge if we ever get there.
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was also going to ask nnr about this but left it on another tab, whoops
Like the Masons, I don't think we can let both of them live to LYLO, especially Yuno, who will just auto-clear Yuki if Zak speaks the truth.
I'll be damned to try and figure out what you're saying here. Why is it bad if Yuno autoclears Yuki in LYLO given that I don't see anything in your ISO that shows you think Zak might not be town until the SB claim? Your day one wall concluded that Zak was probably town for the way his claim came out, so how does someone actually claiming Yuki change any of that?
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I find bard's play here the most out of character for town!him so I'd vote there first. schezo i could plausibly see getting in a heated slapfight that goes nowhere so i want to see a broader opinion range from him. same with nnr, stop hating on dormio for writing like dormio when he's given out more relevant content today than you have. yes, i went there.
that's all for tonight
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Day 3 Start: DEAD END
YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKIYUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKIYUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKIYUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKIYUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKIYUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKIYUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKIYUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKIYUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI YUKI
"Oh my fucking god someone turn that video off!"
You all break into Zakeri's room, to find his stabbed body sitting in front of his computer. You then notice Zakeri step out of the closet!
"It's okay, this was just my second body. I'm the First Zakeri. Now if you'll just let me turn the video back on.."
You all take turns stabbing the First Zakeri. One good death deserves another!
Zakeri was killed! He was...
Hello, Zakeri. You are Yuno Gasai from Mirai Nikki. You are the Second Diary Holder. You are a young girl with pink eyes and long pink hair with an ambiguous personality. Or so the wiki says. Actually you're a ruthless, cold and calculating psychopath who has little if any problem in using others for the sake of Yukiteru's survival. Your diary is the Yukiteru Diary, which tells you everything about Yukiteru in intervals of ten minutes. You are pretty much the best character ever.
Your theme song is RED Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdA9BtBXiMM&list=PL02D4515884702049)
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI_fgwbmJg0) is not your theme song.
Role: Town Serial Killer
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vigilante
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Anything for Yuki (Active) - Yukiteru Amano's presence is the only thing that stops you from going insane. If Yukiteru Amano is eliminated, you will gain the ability each night to attempt to kill a player by private messaging the ##Kill (player) command. This kill is compulsive. If you do not submit a kill, the kill will be selected randomly. If Yukiteru Amano has not been eliminated, this ability does nothing.
Not voting: Everyone
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
There are 72 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130924T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+3)
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>"compulsive hider" not dead
>yuki not confirmed town
everything i know is a lie
##vote: sb
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ZAKERI NOOOOOOOOO
Well at least this means we get more Conq, who I thought was going to be nightkilled for sure, and was sad, because he's the best.
His night analysis basically gave me solid reasons to keep believing in everyone I already had townreads on, so it didn't exactly help, but it made me feel better :D That's everyone except for 4 people; NNR, BT, Schezo, and Bard.
BARD ARE YOU GOING TO ACTUALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE GAME TODAY OR ARE WE LYNCHING YOU
Oh wait conq only just made me realize SB isn't conf. town, fuk. That adds one more person I actually have to consider as scum.
SB wouldn't just immediately take the bait as scum because obviously it must have been a lie, and as town he doesn't want to just out himself to the scum (and he doesn't know if Zak's intentions are good, either) So, he can't be trivialized by rolegaming shenanigans either.
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Anyway Conq I don't know why you're voting SB apart from him suddenly not being confirmed town
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I'm Yukitero Amano, the Town Dependent Hider
Basically every night I hide behind yuno gasai compulsively, and almost all actions fail. I don't know yuno's allignment but I'm assuming that it's zak.
Given that Hider goes first in NAR, why isn't SB dead given his claim? If you want ties to dead scum go to SB's posts and search for "Paperblade."
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Yukiteru hides behind Yuno.
Why would he die if Yuno dies?
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Okay I looked the role up on Mafiascum and now I understand.
That seems kind of silly but okay.
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>____________________________>
Normally hiders die when the target they're hiding behind dies, but I see what you mean. Want SB to clarify.
##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche
will look at sb later
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IDK why scum would do a nightkill that invalidates one of their own claims though, that just doesn't make sense unless they had a serious lapse in thought (or figured zakeri was obviously lying because Yukiteru was Scum, and must die, but why would they make the claim if they were planning on NKing him)
I'll withhold other comments until SB posts.
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I would like to townread Dormio based on Paperblade's flip, but Paperblade does in fact have a history of super bussing his teammates. More later.
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If you want ties to dead scum go to SB's posts and search for "Paperblade."
I see where you're coming from here.
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well, if sb was scum he'd know zak was lying so maybe they thought zak was third party with a weird yuki related wincon. all this role stuff is going around in my head so i'll just wait for sb to clarify and relook at sb's posts independently of the roleclaim later.
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well, if sb was scum he'd know zak was lying so maybe they thought zak was third party with a weird yuki related wincon.
yeah I was having similar thoughts but I wanted to wait on SB to talk before I started spilling out roleshenanigan possibilities (The counter to that line of thought for me was "then why would they out themselves as Yuki and claim hider and tie themselves to zak like that, before killing him?" but if they considered SB too likely to get lynched otherwise I guess that could be it. Anyway yeah I want SB to talk before actually trying to analyze him)
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I'm in a pretty depressive mood tonight. I'll try to figure out myself from earlier though.
Uh, I'll start with Paperblade. I kind of suspected him all day, but I didn't think having 2 ascetics was that odd until SB claimed hider. Did SB also claim ascetic at some point before that? I might have missed it, if it was mentioned I was probably confused for mistaking both ascetic claims to be between me and Paper.
As for Zak, I wanted to go by the same thoughts I had on Prims/Raikaria Masons. Prims got away as scum claiming Mason before, and I thought Zak/SB claiming 1-sided Mason could basically be the same ruse, especially since there already ARE masons in the game. I didn't think it would be safe having both of them go into LYLO like that. The town bias from the claim was still there, and if we lynched them in LYLO and they WEREN'T lying and both of them were town, then it's a loss.
I haven't liked Dormio's reactions so far in the game, and I still don't like how he posts walls on people then leaves them alone in terms of reading. I see it as posting to look town/active, not posting to hunt scum. If that's a playstyle complaint, then ???? I dunno how to react to that. If it's meta then :meta: I don't tend to play around with that.
Zak got flipped by scum, which makes him the second person I wanted to see dead by LYLO, which is kinda odd from my POV, I guess.
I'm not sure who to vote at this point. I want to say Dormio but apparently my reasoning is invalid plus Paper tunneled on him all D2 and was scum. Also my depressive mood isn't helping.
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RE: Zak/Masons in LYLO
I'd treat it like a Miller Claim. if you're resorting to rolespec by the time LYLO comes around, you're doing it wrong. Get rid of them to be safe before LYLO happens, then use proper scumhunting if you actually reach LYLO.
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I don't think SB is scum. Two mafia ascetics is lol. Also while Zak's role PM doesn't "confirm" SB as town, if I got that role, I'd also be inclined to think that Yukiteru was town, so I don't think it was a lie exactly.
##Vote: NNR
The "lynch Zak to confirm SB" thing is pretty bad, as I pointed out near the end of D2. Also I was rereading his D1 and he also pushed that "lynch Serela to confirm Prims" thing that Raikaria did, except he worded it like "we can lynch them later, just not now". Also he was against lynching a Mason on D1, but lynching Zak on D3 is okay? Yes, that counts as "later" but I don't like it.
As for rolespec vs "proper scumhunting", it's actually the other way around. Rolespec becomes a lot better late in the game with clears and whatnot. Better to scumhunt until then and then rolespec at the end if necessary instead of rolespeccing all the way through and then abandoning it later.
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3.1: I Am Running Out Of Votecount Songs
Yuno Gasai and Yukiteru Amano are fighting with Twelfth in the comments. Why u do dis?
Bardiche (1): Conqueror
NekoNekoRex (1): BBM
Not voting: NekonekoRex, Dormio, BT, Bardiche, Serious Bananas, ESerelaBusy, Schezo, CF7
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
There are 70 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130924T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+3)
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You don't lynch Millers on D1 either, do you?
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I never meant "Lynch Zak to confirm SB", I meant "Make sure one of them dies before LYLO to eliminate role bias"
As I said before, I'd treat it exactly like a miller claim.
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I don't lynch them at any point in the game if I don't find them scummy.
My problem with both the Mason lynch and the Zak lynch is that you didn't actually find them scummy. It's just lynching for the sake of confirming someone as town, which is dumb.
Also most of your posts feel like IIoA. You just comment on whatever you find scummy instead of actually building cases on anyone, which makes me uncomfortable.
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I never meant "Lynch Zak to confirm SB", I meant "Make sure one of them dies before LYLO to eliminate role bias"
As I said before, I'd treat it exactly like a miller claim.
The latter is just a fancy way of saying the former, because the only way town has of "making sure" one of them dies is to lynch them, barring a vig shot.
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If by "confirm someone as town" you mean "the person I want dead and not his partner", then yes, that would by my intention by wanting them gone.
Also most of your posts feel like IIoA. You just comment on whatever you find scummy instead of actually building cases on anyone, which makes me uncomfortable.
Suddenly Dormio/D1 stuff doesn't count?
The latter is just a fancy way of saying the former, because the only way town has of "making sure" one of them dies is to lynch them, barring a vig shot.
I wouldn't want a Miller lynched D1, and I wouldn't want a Miller in LYLO. What's wrong with that? This is getting into a playstyle/theorycraft argument, I think. You might notice I haven't actually tried to lyn- oh wait I don't need to, they keep dying during the night anyway.
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I may or may not be paranoid about Masons after Prims/Rawr
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I may or may not be paranoid about Masons after Prims/Rawr
roflllll
Anyway, I think the BBM/NNR looks mostly like a misunderstanding and/or playstyle differences.
My problem with both the Mason lynch and the Zak lynch is that you didn't actually find them scummy.
This is a legitimate reason but I think the application here is also more of a misunderstanding (and maybe also NNR going too hard on the role debunk offensive as he kinda admits in the previous post)
this being said I don't have a town!read on NNR and his play overall isn't exactly impressive, but the BBM case isn't one I'd vote NNR with at all (My own priorities are pending posts from my other suspects because of reasons)
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(My own priorities are pending posts from my other suspects because of reasons)
also the same reason I'm sadly holding back from asking NNR questions whilst he depressively lacks direction
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And i guess i'll continue being somewhat useless.
Anyway. Kind of suspect 3 people. Dormio, and i'm guessing Paperblade might have been just bussing him to get some credit. Kilga/Bard i'll write my reasons a bit later. And finally Schezo whom i still haven't written off as a town.
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##Vote NNR
There are a lot, and I mean a lot, of retarded things in NNR's posts.
However what we're looking for is scumminess, not stupidity, so I've been trying to read NNR's posts whilst ignoring all of the idiotic things he's spouting.
It's hard. Whatever.
First of all, let's take a look at NNR's D1. (It's pathetic.)
For the first portion of the game, NNR (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020598.html#msg1020598) votes (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020670.html#msg1020670) HW (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020671.html#msg1020671) on the sole basis that he's calling Serela town.
Doesn't bother explaining why this is scum HW talking. Doesn't bother stating his opinion of HW. Doesn't bother stating his opinion of Serela.
Just votes HW and keeps asking for evidence of Serela being town.
He finally gives up the point here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020813.html#msg1020813) and replaces it with something really weird.
Like, I seriously don't get that vote on Raikaria.
Pretty obvious, but he's fallen into a pit trap where he's only defending himself (and doing it badly) and not hunting scum .
##Vote: Raikaria until he can actually come up with some scumreads, seriously.
The fuck?
You claim that it's obvious that Raikaria has fallen into a "trap" where he's forced to focus on defending himself, and yet you vote for Raikaria in the same post for focussing on defending himself.
If it's so obviously a trap, as you claimed it to be, why did you add to the votes on Raikaria so as to further increase the pressure on him and force even more defensive play?
Going for the easy vote, were we?
And then, we have a brief jump back to voting HW (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020881.html#msg1020881) before he swings back to Raikaria (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020935.html#msg1020935).
Throughout this particular sequence, NNR does exactly what he originally accused Raikaria of doing and focuses only on defending himself.
Why didn't he follow his own advice and do what he claims he normally would have done as town?
I don't like this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021037.html#msg1021037) either.
Ignoring the part where he blatantly oversimplifies my case and brushes it off as focusing only on RVS, the thing I find interesting in this post is the part where he says that he agrees a lot with HW.
The same HW that he continues (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021132.html#msg1021132) to question (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021141.html#msg1021141) and throw doubt upon the claim of.
It's like, NNR finds HW to be townie enough to follow his thoughts whenever it's convenient for him, and HW is scummy and obviously lying through his teeth at any other time.
I guess it's really easy to only see what you want to see.
And then we have these (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021504.html#msg1021504) two (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021537.html#msg1021537) godawful posts.
You know, for someone that claims that I'm scummy for making posts that are too long and therefore hard to read, you sure do seem to like doing the same.
Except your posts have no focus and are extremely difficult to follow as a result, and they don't even tell us anything.
And to think this is the person that's constantly (incorrectly) accusing me of not reaching any conclusions.
Really, there is absolutely nothing to glean from these posts other than some sniping at my posts which I'll get to later.
I'm not really seeing Town!Raikaria or Town!CF7 though, but maybe it's because I'm not really getting why they would be after 45 hours of badposts
Oh, hey, suddenly you see either Raikaria or CF7 as being scum.
Let's just ignore the fact that you hadn't really addressed CF7 until that point in time.
A few mentions in your "notepad" posts don't count.
CF7 has totally been doing some scummy shit and you sure are glad that there's a wagon on him.
Seriously, what the fuck is this pushing of both the wagons.
Another thing I'd like to note about NNR's D1 is how hard he was cheerleading my wagon.
Dormio 185 is holy shit tldr
except I am reading it anyway
what the hell is all this
prolonging the RVS...
this is literally a text wall on RVS posts, fuck.
I dunno if I can even agree with this stuff, and I'm voting Raikaria. It's really :tryhard: though, and doesn't have any other reads
HW 196 has many agreeable statments, like on Dormio, and stuff on Kilga I failed to notice because I'm awful at mafia. lurker lynch on D1 seems :I tho, kind of an iffy suggestion
More Dormio posts that are long and also long and :tryhard:. It doesn't even have a read at the end, just a "I dunno"
Lol he's responding to Dormio's post. I would honestly have just brushed it off, that's a bunch of nitpicky shit he's addressing
Dormio are you going to give conclusive reads to anyone you make a text wall on
Satisfying Dormio vote from Kilga. Dormio getting called out on his shitposting is good.
Still 5 pages from the end of this but so far I want to lynch between Dormio, CF7, and Raikaria
I kinda want to lynch Dormio for being the most worthless and making a bunch of inconclusive text walls tbh
I liked the time when you actually voted for me or tried to put any pressure on me for being so apparently scummy.
Wait a second. That's right, you never did.
Perhaps this was because my wagon never picked up steam?
Got to hold your vote until the lynch looks viable, right?
Just like the one on CF7.
And then we begin D2 with this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022146.html#msg1022146).
Of course, since you mislynched Raikaria the other day and conveniently lost access to the thread before you could switch your vote, this means that you can now casually switch your vote over to CF7 since that's who you were actually planning to lynch the other day.
Isn't that wonderful for you?
I believe this thought process is supported by how you poke at CF7 with various suspicions during the beginning of the day but ultimately drop them when other people don't show enough interest.
Let's move on to here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022161.html#msg1022161) now.
>I am still on every scumread list
>I didn't expect to live to D2
;w;
Other people have already stated how this was overreactive, so I'm not going to dwell on it and merely point it out here.
However, when it comes to things like this:
Ugh, these are just awful. He could not sit on the fence any harder about his non-Raikaria reads, In fact, he more or less just coasted on the Raikaria vote to the end of the day. Now only today does CF7 suddenly look interesting enough to vote.
This statement is outright untrue, like I've said on multiple occasions.
I do not understand how NNR reached the conclusion that I had no read on CF7, when I said that I simply preferred Raikaria's lynch.
I've clarified this time and time again, yet NNR refuses to acknowledge my words and instead repeats the same sentiment that I was supposedly undecided on every read bar Raikaria.
Like really. What the fuck.
Also, the fact that NNR is actually using something like this as an actual grounds for suspicion...
Had a bunch of really lame text walls throughout D1, which is odd because he was also "busy" but had time to make a bunch of text wall reads,
Really? Really? Is this the best you could come up with?
How the fuck does this make me scum?
Really. I want an explanation on this point.
Because, to me, it looks as though you were just trying to pad out your case on me with meaningless bullshit.
For the rest of the day, NNR really doesn't do much.
He notes some suspicion of Paperblade here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022551.html#msg1022551).
Kind of want to vote Paperblade despite him also voting Dormio with me. His lack of post content is really glaring. He needs more reads on other big people like Schezo and BT, more active participation.
It's really weak and, to me, it almost looks as though he's just getting himself ready for a jump in case his buddy is actually going to get lynched that day.
Note the casual distancing by mentioning that NNR has gained some suspicion despite the fact they're both voting for me.
In other words, NNR is trying to say that he's voting me for a different reason that Paperblade and shouldn't be associated with Paperblade as a result.
Put in other words again, NNR looks like he's just making all the preparations in case Paperblade is lynched.
He also has this insightful piece to say.
I kind of want to see Zak lynched tomorrow just so we could see if we can't confirm another townie.
What the fuck?
Really? I don't think I really have to say much about this.
And then, finally, let's move onto NNR's content for today.
In particular, the first thing I want to look at is this:
Having a confusing writeup every 12 hours is definitely a good way to look active and get away with not really playing, you know. Add this to the fact you can essentially say "Covered him, time to ignore for the next 3 days" means you can just tunnel whoever but say you still have reads on other people.
I haven't liked Dormio's reactions so far in the game, and I still don't like how he posts walls on people then leaves them alone in terms of reading. I see it as posting to look town/active, not posting to hunt scum. If that's a playstyle complaint, then ???? I dunno how to react to that. If it's meta then :meta: I don't tend to play around with that.
This is just plain bullshit.
Like, I get that you're trying to paint a case on me, but at least try to make it convincing and get your facts straight.
Making desperation arguments like this is just sad.
To take it apart piece by piece, let's start with your statement that my posts are confusing.
How so? I don't think that my posts are confusing in the slightest.
The only thing that may make them slightly hard to read is length, but if you can't even bother reading ~500 of my words, I think that you're just being lazy.
Secondly, the statement that I'm forgetting about any person that I make a case on so that I can say something to the effect of "covered this guy, let's move on".
What. Tell me, where have I ever ignored someone? I answer questions and provide clarification, I don't really know what more you want.
And, finally, I have reads on other people.
How the fuck is this meant to even be a point against me?
It's pretty pathetic to see someone that desperate for additional arguments in a case.
Also, inb4 NNR calls this post inconclusive too.
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i fell asleep at 5am and woke up at 10 i feel like shit
Dormio is probably town due to the tunnel but I don't think it really clears CF7 since Raikaria flipped town anyway, so Paper pushing him as a counterwagon seems null.
SB's case is cool I guess about CF7 but I would like him to address this: His content on NNR is fine too but I don't know what that shot at BBM is. Can you rephrase it? I'm having trouble with it.
It's basically void now since Paper flipped town, but essentially BBM attacked him for something that happened 20 pages ago and wasn't even about the player, it was about the role, and he kind of waffled on Paper a lot in that post despite leading the wagon on him.
Given that Hider goes first in NAR, why isn't SB dead given his claim? If you want ties to dead scum go to SB's posts and search for "Paperblade."
Normal hiders have the person they hide behind taking the action for them, iirc. It's not the only difference.
My role isn't literally ascetic but it acts like one as long as the conditions are fulfilled
I kind of crumbed that I wouldn't die here.
If I was mafia, why would I kill the player who was giving me a false clear? It makes no logical sense since I would know that he was lying and would be lynched afterwards while already a man down. Also double claiming Ascetic D1 would be lol.
Dormio's case on NNR seems pretty solid, in all honesty. I already said some stuff about NNR a few pages back to add onto that and I don't spot anything in Dormio's case on him I disagree with either.
##Vote: NNR
CF7, why are you writing off Dormio and Paperblade's interactions as bussing instantly? Would like you to explain your thought process on this.
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It's basically void now since Paper flipped town
???
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I thought BBM might have been opportunistic pushing a mislynch if Paper flipped town, but he didn't, and I think a bus is a little less likely (not impossible though.)
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Um SB just to make sure I understand your role, as long as Yuno was alive you were basically ascetic? That's it?
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3.2: Votecount of an Egoist
"Mirai Nikki, where your Best Imaginary Friend turns out to be real and sends you pathetic ass into the Lions den with 11 other Players to the death, including a Psychotic Bitch, an, Extreme Sentai fan, A Female Big Boy look alike, and a Modern Nazism Enthusiast"
Bardiche (1): Conqueror
NekoNekoRex (3): BBM, Dormio, Serious Bananas
Not voting: NekonekoRex, BT, Bardiche, ESerelaBusy, Schezo, CF7
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
There are 60 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130924T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+3)
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I don't think pushing someone for a role reason allows you to distance yourself from the lynch. That doesn't make sense to me. If anything it's less, because people are more inclined to push you for using rolespec than for using more "regular" scumhunting. And yes, the similar claims were an issue from 20 pages ago, but that doesn't make it outdated, because nothing had changed in that aspect since then, just like electricity isn't outdated despite being old.
Also something I realized- in his end D2 Zak push, he specifically says that he wants to lynch Zak to get another confirmed townie. Today though, he said that he never meant "lynch Zak to confirm SB". Feels like backpedalling to me.
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BARD ARE YOU GOING TO ACTUALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE GAME TODAY OR ARE WE LYNCHING YOU
Your muffled screams were the lullaby that inspired my sleep last night.
Off-hand I'm going to say Yukiteru is not likely to be scum. Consider the following:
1) HW flipped and confirmed Serela as Town.
2) Yukiteru and Yuuno were thought to be probably Town, and a Hider commonly dies when their target dies.
Therefore, it is safe to assume that Scum went for Yuuno because they wanted a 2-for-1 prize, rather than off a confirmed Townie. At worst, Yuki is a 3rd party, but there's no real reason (yet) to entertain that line of thought. Conq immediately voting there evidences a certain r?cksichtlos attitude.
Speaking of Conq, I'm curious why the first night you dropped hints about who you were hiding behind in case of untimely death, but this night that information was absent. Is there good cause for this shift in strategy?
I also find this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023619.html#msg1023619) somewhat curious. If you're a hider, shouldn't you know the circumstances of it? The claim is made here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021638.html#msg1021638), so I'm curious about it now. Call it rolefishing, but this can also be forgetting your ploy from last time.
Vote on me is basically "bard is out of character" which is a silly meta argument that's wrong besides. I've never replaced into a game without being able to actually read the game prior to replacing in, especially not one of this size. My behaviour therefore cannot be "out of character".
There's a few things I'm interested in pursuing today, but I'll take it all step by step.
I am interested in BT. Yes, I will come back to him like an abused housewife. BT, who do you think is the scummiest player currently, and who is the towniest player? Like, someone you are SO SURE OF that you would vig them if scum or bodyguard them if town?
Similarly, I want to hear the same from Schezo.
NNR, how about you too? You're pretty interesting, because last night you said you would lynch Zak just to see if we could confirm another Townie (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023330.html#msg1023330). I don't think that means you're scum, however; That position is too easy to take. I think we should moreso be looking at this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023226.html#msg1023226) and the ones around it, where you're flopping about Paperblade and prefer a Dormio lynch over him, making a deal about how you're uncomfortable with voting him. Making a case about how "claiming ascetic D1 is what a townie would do" seems like a soft attempt to try and get people to look elsewhere. At the same time you're not heavy defending him.
Vote is going there for the moment, I'm still in the process of making up my mind on some issues, notably how it feels like BBM hasn't pushed heavily one way or the other, and I rather dislike the vote for Paperblade which he ends with "Schezo has enough votes ftm". Amount of votes someone has should not be a guiding principle for voting someone else, I feel.
##Vote: NNR
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Ugh... Achievement Unlocked! 20G - Food Poisoning.
You're feeling like shit and you look like a fresh zombie and can probably pass for a sun deprived human with little trouble.
But i'm feeling well enough to write bad jokes about this, so it's kind of okay.
Anyway, i'll probably will be off-line for the next 12 hours or so. I'm still very weak and going to sleep soon. Sorry.
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Tch, I'm actually not sure what to talk about.
I've had to stop to consider if Schezo actually thinks I'm bullshitting a case on him. His rebuttals have been to point out the weak links in my case but in said case were strong arguments - that he'd parked his vote on me for D1 and that his claims of paranoia are hard to believe, not to mention using that paranoia in conjunction with not sharing clear stances on Raikaria/CF7 makes his involvement in the D1 end wagons suspect. Meaning, my case was well-placed, though he still argues that I'm scumcasing over the small details. Like, fuck, claims like "you didn't read my posts" are practically refuge in audacity. Outside of this vote he shows no strong opinions (not even strong rhetorically like his opinion of me). ...Too many things I think would've gone differently if he were town.
##Vote Schezo
NNR has been pinging me since forever. Dormio makes a good case and covers some of the things I pointed out on D2. I also think his hesitant behavior towards lynching Paperblade might've happened because he felt he needed to justify why he suddenly prefered him over the Dormio vote, and that his mention of lynching Zak happened because he knew a buddy was going down and wanted to open doors. But here's where the doubt begins - Zak ended up dying anyway, presumably by scum, so what was the point of trying to set him up as a future information lynch? There's also this -
>I am still on every scumread list
>I didn't expect to live to D2
;w;
Changed my mind on this. Considering a bunch of people handwaved him as town thanks to his mid-D1 rage, it'd actually make sense from town-his perspective to think of himself as a possible NK target. Let's assume that he's scum and has spent most of N1 rejoicing in the scum QT - what would be the point of bringing up this status of his in the thread? I know that, were I in his place, the thought wouldn't cross my mind, as scum don't expect to be nightkilled - and even if it would cross my mind, I'd keep it out of the thread out of the chance that people would suspect me for living longer than I should have in the long run.
I don't expect this wagon to subside so easily, so NNR should consider claiming early, in any case. I'm still contemplating if I want this at all.
Conq has a point about Bard - mainly that his case on me wasn't so hot. Kilga's play wasn't bad but it wasn't good either, and if I'm right about NNR the Bard slot has essentially been voting town all game. Granted, the case ends here. I don't know what else to say. Will vote this over other things?
Conq himself has dropped even more in priorities after the Paperblade flip, I see nothing wrong with his play, and other reasons that I won't disclose now. I'd look at Dormio for scum if we reach this far down.
My opinion on the Yuki-Yuno pair is that it is broken as fuck to give town a compulsive vig in response to a scum death. SB is confirmed Yuki at this point so it's highly suggestive that he's not scum. ITP maybe, but who cares? It'd also be really easy to check if he was ascetic for these two cycles and then having two ascetics on one scumteam would be absurd. #gaming once again
I didn't mention CF7 anywhere and I'm actually unsure but my gut says he's been town ever since D2? He did say he played D1 purposefully bad and a lot of people who suspect him make a habit of voting him primarlity for his D1 play. There's his claim too. I think it's more likely a townie, all things considered.
(not having things to talk about my ass)
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But here's where the doubt begins - Zak ended up dying anyway, presumably by scum, so what was the point of trying to set him up as a future information lynch?
I'm going to say that I don't think that this is applicable, just because of how much flak NNR caught late D2 for that attempt to set up a Zakeri information lynch.
To me, it seems like an easy way for NNR to buy himself an out and not have to deal with the ramifications of his "Let's lynch Zakeri to confirm a townie".
Changed my mind on this. Considering a bunch of people handwaved him as town thanks to his mid-D1 rage, it'd actually make sense from town-his perspective to think of himself as a possible NK target. Let's assume that he's scum and has spent most of N1 rejoicing in the scum QT - what would be the point of bringing up this status of his in the thread? I know that, were I in his place, the thought wouldn't cross my mind, as scum don't expect to be nightkilled - and even if it would cross my mind, I'd keep it out of the thread out of the chance that people would suspect me for living longer than I should have in the long run.
But what about the blatant AtE?
I still think that this is doing nothing more than attempting to attract sympathy and hopefully deflect attention.
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I'm going to say that I don't think that this is applicable, just because of how much flak NNR caught late D2 for that attempt to set up a Zakeri information lynch.
To me, it seems like an easy way for NNR to buy himself an out and not have to deal with the ramifications of his "Let's lynch Zakeri to confirm a townie".
I'm staring at this for five minutes now and have no idea what you're saying. I'm actually going to admit that the point is faulty anyway because they may have agreed to kill Zak only after talking about it and NNR would have had other thoughts before that...ANYWAY
But what about the blatant AtE?
I still think that this is doing nothing more than attempting to attract sympathy and hopefully deflect attention.
It's AtE on the surface? But where would Scum!NNR get the idea? Think of it this way - as scum he would get a lot of heat on D1 only for it all to vanish and people to claim that he's probably town. He's more likely to be thankful for the whole thing and move on - thinking that he was obvtown over that would be delusional and scum would probably be more likely to be paranoid over their status. Don't get me wrong, the quote in question was an overreaction and the flak is justified, but when you actually think about it it makes a lot less sense.
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##Vote NNR
There are a lot, and I mean a lot, of retarded things in NNR's posts.
However what we're looking for is scumminess, not stupidity, so I've been trying to read NNR's posts whilst ignoring all of the idiotic things he's spouting.
It's hard. Whatever.
Ohboyherewego
First of all, let's take a look at NNR's D1. (It's pathetic.)
For the first portion of the game, NNR (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020598.html#msg1020598) votes (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020670.html#msg1020670) HW (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020671.html#msg1020671) on the sole basis that he's calling Serela town.
Doesn't bother explaining why this is scum HW talking. Doesn't bother stating his opinion of HW. Doesn't bother stating his opinion of Serela.
Just votes HW and keeps asking for evidence of Serela being town.
It was an odd claim to make with no evidence, on early D1. Big deal? It's kind of hilarious how much attention you'd want to put on an ED1 vote.
He finally gives up the point here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020813.html#msg1020813) and replaces it with something really weird.
Like, I seriously don't get that vote on Raikaria.The fuck?
You claim that it's obvious that Raikaria has fallen into a "trap" where he's forced to focus on defending himself, and yet you vote for Raikaria in the same post for focussing on defending himself.
If it's so obviously a trap, as you claimed it to be, why did you add to the votes on Raikaria so as to further increase the pressure on him and force even more defensive play?
Going for the easy vote, were we?
Eh? I don't even remember that quote. I would have changed my mind though, Raikaria by that point was just getting utterly ridiculous. Any non-scum read on him I would have had I would have turned around later.
And then, we have a brief jump back to voting HW (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020881.html#msg1020881) before he swings back to Raikaria (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020935.html#msg1020935).
Throughout this particular sequence, NNR does exactly what he originally accused Raikaria of doing and focuses only on defending himself.
Why didn't he follow his own advice and do what he claims he normally would have done as town?
People thought this stuff was town before. What makes it scummy now? Huhwhat was also ignoring me during D1 and wouldn't clarify any farther until after my frustration ended up derailing the thread. I think the vote worked. I was still trying to put pressure on HW as well.
I don't like this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021037.html#msg1021037) either.
Ignoring the part where he blatantly oversimplifies my case and brushes it off as focusing only on RVS, the thing I find interesting in this post is the part where he says that he agrees a lot with HW.
The same HW that he continues (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021132.html#msg1021132) to question (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021141.html#msg1021141) and throw doubt upon the claim of.
It's like, NNR finds HW to be townie enough to follow his thoughts whenever it's convenient for him, and HW is scummy and obviously lying through his teeth at any other time.
I guess it's really easy to only see what you want to see.
I dropped HW after the whole "getting frustrated" deal. Are you paying attention? Having a big text wall tunneling on one member, and having no other reads IS pretty bad, you know.
And then we have these (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021504.html#msg1021504) two (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021537.html#msg1021537) godawful posts.
You know, for someone that claims that I'm scummy for making posts that are too long and therefore hard to read, you sure do seem to like doing the same.
Except your posts have no focus and are extremely difficult to follow as a result, and they don't even tell us anything.
And to think this is the person that's constantly (incorrectly) accusing me of not reaching any conclusions.
Really, there is absolutely nothing to glean from these posts other than some sniping at my posts which I'll get to later.
Oh, hey, suddenly you see either Raikaria or CF7 as being scum.
Let's just ignore the fact that you hadn't really addressed CF7 until that point in time.
A few mentions in your "notepad" posts don't count.
CF7 has totally been doing some scummy shit and you sure are glad that there's a wagon on him.
Seriously, what the fuck is this pushing of both the wagons.
Hey, my notepad posts had a ton of reads in them. If you parse it, I note clear suspicion on certain posts, and think other posts (and corresponding members) aren't so suspicious. Don;t diss the notepad, man.
Another thing I'd like to note about NNR's D1 is how hard he was cheerleading my wagon.I liked the time when you actually voted for me or tried to put any pressure on me for being so apparently scummy.
Wait a second. That's right, you never did.
Perhaps this was because my wagon never picked up steam?
Got to hold your vote until the lynch looks viable, right?
Just like the one on CF7.
By the time I could even get the chance, it was deadline. Is it possible I had priorities, or maybe two other people to lynch? Yes.
And then we begin D2 with this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022146.html#msg1022146).
Of course, since you mislynched Raikaria the other day and conveniently lost access to the thread before you could switch your vote, this means that you can now casually switch your vote over to CF7 since that's who you were actually planning to lynch the other day.
Isn't that wonderful for you?
I believe this thought process is supported by how you poke at CF7 with various suspicions during the beginning of the day but ultimately drop them when other people don't show enough interest.
conveniently lost access
conveniently
Alright, this one just straight up pisses me off. I lost access to the router because my parents think it would be fun to turn it off at night, which is incredibly inconvenient for me. I've posted about this on Lettyjournal before, if you need proof it's a problem.
Let's move on to here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022161.html#msg1022161) now.Other people have already stated how this was overreactive, so I'm not going to dwell on it and merely point it out here.
However, when it comes to things like this:This statement is outright untrue, like I've said on multiple occasions.
I do not understand how NNR reached the conclusion that I had no read on CF7, when I said that I simply preferred Raikaria's lynch.
I've clarified this time and time again, yet NNR refuses to acknowledge my words and instead repeats the same sentiment that I was supposedly undecided on every read bar Raikaria.
Like really. What the fuck.
I kind of sheeped Conq on the CF7 reasoning, tbh.
Also, the fact that NNR is actually using something like this as an actual grounds for suspicion...Really? Really? Is this the best you could come up with?
How the fuck does this make me scum?
Really. I want an explanation on this point.
Because, to me, it looks as though you were just trying to pad out your case on me with meaningless bullshit.
For the rest of the day, NNR really doesn't do much.
He notes some suspicion of Paperblade here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022551.html#msg1022551).It's really weak and, to me, it almost looks as though he's just getting himself ready for a jump in case his buddy is actually going to get lynched that day.
Note the casual distancing by mentioning that NNR has gained some suspicion despite the fact they're both voting for me.
In other words, NNR is trying to say that he's voting me for a different reason that Paperblade and shouldn't be associated with Paperblade as a result.
Put in other words again, NNR looks like he's just making all the preparations in case Paperblade is lynched.
He also has this insightful piece to say.What the fuck?
Really? I don't think I really have to say much about this.
And then, finally, let's move onto NNR's content for today.
In particular, the first thing I want to look at is this:This is just plain bullshit.
Like, I get that you're trying to paint a case on me, but at least try to make it convincing and get your facts straight.
Making desperation arguments like this is just sad.
To take it apart piece by piece, let's start with your statement that my posts are confusing.
How so? I don't think that my posts are confusing in the slightest.
The only thing that may make them slightly hard to read is length, but if you can't even bother reading ~500 of my words, I think that you're just being lazy.
Secondly, the statement that I'm forgetting about any person that I make a case on so that I can say something to the effect of "covered this guy, let's move on".
What. Tell me, where have I ever ignored someone? I answer questions and provide clarification, I don't really know what more you want.
And, finally, I have reads on other people.
How the fuck is this meant to even be a point against me?
It's pretty pathetic to see someone that desperate for additional arguments in a case.
Also, inb4 NNR calls this post inconclusive too.
Ugh, I just don't want to deal with the rest of this wall. Yes, I get it Dormio, you're being smug because now you get to tunnel me after I've been wanting you lynched the whole game for a case I haven't been able to word very well so far. I get it.
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I don't even care anymore, I'm going full gut mode.
##Vote: Dormio
My gut says you just wanna be rid of me so you can ride out the rest of the game on sweet Double Scum Bus cred at this point. If I can't have you, then I'll go for Schezo instead, he's been making me feel pretty sour the whole game too.
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I don't even care if I have to resort to my role to get one of you killed, but by god, I'm going to get it to happen. I'm just going to out myself now, don't even care.
I'm Minene Uryu, aka Ninth, Fucker of da Police (in more ways then one :3 :3 :3 :3 :3).
Aside from being Cop Ascetic, I am also a Town Terrorist. I have a bomb, and during the night I can strap it to anyone I want. If I die, they die. It's like I get to take somebody hostage!
In this case, the hostage is me. I strapped the bomb to myself, making me a Town Bomb. I thought I could get nightkilled, but at this point that's pretty fucking unlikely.
Thankfully, my bomb role also works for lynches!
You want me dead? Fine, we'll play that game, but if I'm gonna get lynched, I want actual scum to be the one who drops the ball, not one of my good town friends. Cmon Dormio, you feeling so lucky now?
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sweet Double Scum Bus cred
Eh?
In this case, the hostage is me. I strapped the bomb to myself, making me a Town Bomb.
um is this flavor or what are you talking about here
anyway this is cool
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Eh?
Misfire. I'm referring to the point where Paper basically tunneled Dormio all day.
um is this flavor or what are you talking about here
Uh, I guess I just wanted my post to sound cool. By using the bomb on myself, I became a Town Bomb, instead of a Terrorist. I only have one bomb.
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It was an odd claim to make with no evidence, on early D1. Big deal? It's kind of hilarious how much attention you'd want to put on an ED1 vote.
It's also kind of hilarious how you like to exaggerate.
Eh? I don't even remember that quote. I would have changed my mind though, Raikaria by that point was just getting utterly ridiculous. Any non-scum read on him I would have had I would have turned around later.
And yet, there it is.
You claim to have been able to seen through the "trap", yet jumped right onto it.
I'm going to restate: Going for the easy vote, were we?
People thought this stuff was town before. What makes it scummy now? Huhwhat was also ignoring me during D1 and wouldn't clarify any farther until after my frustration ended up derailing the thread. I think the vote worked. I was still trying to put pressure on HW as well.
Who thought it was town before?
What doesn't make it scummy?
Whatever, I'll believe you when you say that you were supposedly trying to put pressure on HW. No matter how badly it was done.
Hey, my notepad posts had a ton of reads in them. If you parse it, I note clear suspicion on certain posts, and think other posts (and corresponding members) aren't so suspicious. Don;t diss the notepad, man.
>Gut.
>Oversimplification.
>Misrepresentation.
Great basis for the "reads" you're providing in these posts.
And, if you're going to argue that I'm scummy because my posts are hard to read, what the fuck does that say about you?
By the time I could even get the chance, it was deadline. Is it possible I had priorities, or maybe two other people to lynch? Yes.
And yet, your main point against me was that I was supposedly tunnelling.
So if you're not voting for someone that you suspect of being scum, it's perfectly fine because you have priorities.
Meanwhile, if I do the same thing, I'm tunnelling.
Pretty selective there, aren't you?
Alright, this one just straight up pisses me off. I lost access to the router because my parents think it would be fun to turn it off at night, which is incredibly inconvenient for me. I've posted about this on Lettyjournal before, if you need proof it's a problem.
Well do you know what pisses me off?
Had a bunch of really lame text walls throughout D1, which is odd because he was also "busy" but had time to make a bunch of text wall reads
Yes, I'm busy.
I'm sorry that it's beyond your comprehension that I've been going to sleep past 2AM and waking up at 6AM every day for the past month just to make sure that I can do everything that I want to in the day, including mafia.
But, oh no, because I'm busy I couldn't possibly have the time to read through the thread.
Nope. Impossible.
I kind of sheeped Conq on the CF7 reasoning, tbh.
Okay.
Ugh, I just don't want to deal with the rest of this wall. Yes, I get it Dormio, you're being smug because now you get to tunnel me after I've been wanting you lynched the whole game for a case I haven't been able to word very well so far. I get it.
So you don't want to bother reading my case, and I'm being smug now.
Okay.
Are you fucking kidding me?
*Claim*
##Unvote
Bye scum.
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3.3: Reject This Votecount
"Lol yep! Her ass is so bad that she "insert spoiler alert here" XD" Dat ass indeed.
Bardiche (1): Conqueror
NekoNekoRex (3): BBM, Serious Bananas, Bardiche
Schezo (1): BT
Dormio (1): NekoNekoRex
Not voting: ESerelaBusy, Schezo, CF7, Dormio
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
There are 51 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130924T2350&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+3)
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Come on, two more votes for NNR.
ez scum ez lyfe.
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1) not everyone has even posted today yet (hi schezo)
2) let the reactions flow on their own first
personally I don't oppose this killing of at least one scum/mislynch
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The multiple comprehensive cases on NNR are pretty good, would sheep, and yeah general opinion that SB probably isn't scum (the reasons for which all check out) is also a relief.
BT's argument on town!NNR is interesting, though.
-hours later oops-
Welp. It's doubtful we can get scum to hammer NNR now but as long as someone people are pretty suspicious of does the hammering, sure thing
##Vote NNR
Dormio don't you dare hammer NNR >:C You better vote NNR like right now okay. Like RIGHT NOW
BT/Bard/Schezo are people that I'd say should hammer. It's not just MY not-town-reads, most or all of the players have good reads on just about everyone else save maybe BBM, right? I mean if there's some kind of disagreement here then okay, but
GET BACK ON THAT WAGON DORMIO
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Okay wifey.
##Vote NNR
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Though I'm more than willing to trade my life for a scum lynch if that's what people want.
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That claim so fucking next level NNR.
I also don't give a fuck about you BT wah.
As for who is certainly town, it's BBM, the rest I don't care I'm not saying who is and isn't.
NNR too scum. This is how you play the game not giving a fuck. I mean I could also write a wall like everyone else has but I'm just going to drop this. You all will whoo hoo off and descend into apathy so.
##Vote: NNR
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Like. Why would he not make a bomb out of HW the mason night one it's just so fucking lolz.
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The way the role works, it wouldn't have worked well, and would have probably been more likely to kill a doc then a scum NKer.
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Basically if I set the bomb on someone else, it'll blow up either to the first visitor to the player, or if I die. If I put the bomb on anyone else it makes me like a ridiculous Hexer role and if I mis-predict it backfires horribly.
Setting myself up the bomb is the much better choice, especially since I was pretty town D1
Also because I don't trust HW!Mason.
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The bomb has a different function if it's on me or strapped to another player, is what I'm getting at here.
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Day 3 End: TIME FOR THE EXPLOSIVE GUITAR SOLO!
NekoNekoRex tore open his shirt, showing off his lolita dress and bomb jacket.
"I'LL TAKE YOU ALL WITH ME!"
Schezo ran forward, stabbing into NekoNekoRex's chest. overpowering the lolita with his shonen good looks.
"LIVE BY THE HAMMER, DIE BY THE HAMMER!"
The explosion launched both their bodies miles away.
Bardiche (1): Conqueror
NekoNekoRex (6): BBM, Serious Bananas, Bardiche, Serela-chan, Dormio, Schezo
Schezo (1): BT
Dormio (1): NekoNekoRex
Not voting: CF7
NekoNekoRex was Lynched! He was..
Hello, NekoNekoRex. You are Minene Uryu from Mirai Nikki. You are the Ninth Diary Holder. You are a young woman in her twenties with dark purple hair and eyes. You lost your left eye during the Survival Game and now cover it with an eyepatch. You appear very psychotic and excitable when performing your acts of terrorism, more than willing to obliterate anyone who gets in your way. Your diary is the Escape Diary, which tells of the escape routes you must take if you're being tracked or losing a fight. You first appeared in a Gothic Lolita dress.
Your theme song is Briliant Mimicry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkKLkO19iQk&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Crazy For You is not your theme song.
Role: Town Bomb
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bomb
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Because I'm a Terrorist! (Passive) - You've been avoiding the police since you were eight. Most investigative actions targetting you will fail.
C4 (Passive) - You are wearing a giant bomb! If you are killed, you will reflexively kill your killer. If you are lynched, you will reflexively kill the person who placed the hammer vote on your wagon.
Schezo was Exploded! He was..
Hello, Schezo. You are Akise Aru from Mirai Nikki. You are not a diary holder. You are very smart, using your intelligence to play games with people and gain the upper hand, by pretending to have a Future Diary and even tricking a Diary into showing a false future by tricking the user. You are Yukiteru's yaoi route. Your Apprentice Diary is the Detective Diary, which allows you to read the predictions of other Diary Holders as well as their actions.
Your theme song is Song of a Certain Truth. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Fre48Rees&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Town Cop
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
The Observer (Active) - Your connections with the police allow you to investigate your target with absolute certainty. Each night you may attempt to determine the alignment of a player by private messaging the ##Cop (player) command. Once this action suceeds, it may not be used again.
You have 24 hours to PM me night actions.
Night End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130923T2145&p0=250&msg=MNM+Night+3)
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wow, what the living fuck, guys.
was it too much to just wait until everyone had checked in? seriously?
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Speaking of Conq, I'm curious why the first night you dropped hints about who you were hiding behind in case of untimely death, but this night that information was absent. Is there good cause for this shift in strategy?
I also find this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1023619.html#msg1023619) somewhat curious. If you're a hider, shouldn't you know the circumstances of it? The claim is made here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1021638.html#msg1021638), so I'm curious about it now. Call it rolefishing, but this can also be forgetting your ploy from last time.
I already clarified that I wasn't a hider a while back (and in any case I thought it was an obvious joke, but okay).
What's curious about that post even in the situation that I were a hider? I know what a hider normally does; they die when they hide behind scum or the person they're hiding behind dies.
Vote on me is basically "bard is out of character" which is a silly meta argument that's wrong besides. I've never replaced into a game without being able to actually read the game prior to replacing in, especially not one of this size. My behaviour therefore cannot be "out of character".
And stuff like this is why I think you're scum Bard; why are you saying that something I added as an afterthought while figuring out priorities is my case on you? I've already stated that what I find scummy about your behaviour is how you pursued BT and essentially only BT up until the deadline on D2 when you switched for consolidation. The crux of your BT case was basically that he flip-flopped on me, but why is that scummy? Also, why did you switch from pursuing BT yesterday to NNR today, when it looks like your case was "bad Paperblade interactions" and basically all the voters on the tail end of the Paperblade wagon were guilty of that?
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okay, my mafia intuition tells me the scum is between bard/dormio/cf7 which invalidates basically all the townreads i had from night one, which makes me wonder why i bother writing up these posts ?\_(ツ)_/?
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okay i want to lynch cf7 mostly for this:
cf7 writes up a large paperblade thingy that comes to this conclusion
So, tunneling on Dormio, not accusing anyone else, somewhat random vote
jumping. Jumping on sure wagon with not so good reasoning. I think all this points that
Paperblade is scum.
...but then he writes up another thing on schezo that comes to this conclusion
All in all his behaviour is quite disruptive and not contributing much. If he's not anti-town, at least he's not pro-town either. And while overall behavior is suspicious, it's still not deserves a vote. Or maybe it will when i'll think a bit more about all this.
...and ends up voting Schezo
which is just a really slimy way for him to vote schezo over paperblade. paperblade proclaiming he had a scumread on cf7 d2 while going back to the dormio votepark is more scumpoints for cf7.
there's also this thing where he posted after this votecount:CF7 (2): Dormio, Zakeri
BT (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Dormio (3): Paperblade, NekoNekoRex, CF7
Schezo (2): BT, Serious Bananas
Paperblade (3): BigBangMeteor, Serellea, Conqueror
/sigh This timezone is really inconvenient. Or rather that it's so far away from majority of players here. I need to sleep badly and sleep deprivation is really not my thing. Not sure who exactly i want to actually pick. I kind of leaning to Dormio, tho. So i'll leave my vote where it is.
And considering how slow things are going, i won't be really surprised if we get no lynch today.
which is just scummy as fuck in context
tl;dr cf7's play has just been really lackluster since his burst of activity on d1. his negative utility claim could just be him giving up in context, or maybe he wanted to give paperblade bus cred. either way my clear of him was premature given the way he's been playing the last few days. lynch this guy.
bardiche...i still want bardiche to answer my questions. not so sure about him anymore though. would scum!bardiche strawman my argument so blatantly?
dormio, the biggest point against dormio is that everyone else looks townier than him. at this point it's poe because he hasn't done anything especially townie. i do think scum dormio would have bussed paperblade instead of starting a 1-vote wagon on cf7 given that him and paperblade were the leading wagons (or he could have jumped on the bt/schezo wagons).
i dont think bt is scum. bt/bard and bt/dormio are absurd imo, if bt is scum he's scum with cf7, so.
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well actually i thought about how scum!bardiche rationalized his vig shot on uk in zombies and the answer to that question is yes, but anyway.
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Day 4 Start: Insane Disposition
BBM GLOVES! FORM OF A HAMMER! BBM TIGHTS! FORM OF A SUPERIOR SCUMHUNTER! OKAY! TIME TO COMMIT JUSTICE!
BigBadMafia suddenly noticed he was surrounded by some strangers!
"So, we heard you was tryin to cut into our thing, see? Only the mafia is allowed to spread PR's in this here town!"
Despite being a SUPER HERO BBM had lost the ability to supersize in a previous episode and died. :<
BigBangMeteor was killed! He was...
Hello, BigBangMeteor. You are Yomotsu Hirasaka from Mirai Nikki. You are the Twelfth Diary Holder. You are a zany man and one of the madder of the diary owners, with a cheery disposition, completely convinced you are a costumed fighter who follows the directions of your diary to the letter to perform your own brand of justice and heroics. Your mask is a giant white eyeball, despite the fact that you're blind. Your diary is the Justice Diary, taking the form of an audio recorder which vocally predicts any form of crime or injustice, whether it be murder to dropped litter.
Your theme is Justice Sentai Go 12th!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmu6HpTRFiM&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Town Justice Voter
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Post_Restriction
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Henshin Transform! (Active) - You are a SUPER HERO OF JUSTICE and must IDENTIFY and ELIMINATE all CRIME! Each night you may attempt to strangle the guilt out of a player by private messaging the ##JUSTICE (player) command, along with a 50 word message describing their crime, along with with an appropriate post restriction. The message will be posted at the beginning of the day and the player will receive the post restriction for the day. Every time the restriction is broken, they will receive a JUSTICE vote. If you fail to submit the ##JUSTICE command you will receive a Post Restriction from Hell. You may consult the moderator on what would be an acceptable post restriction.
Not voting: Everyone
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
There are 72 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130926T2150&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Mafia+Day+4)
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man shadoweh, you really like those post restrictors, don't you
##vote cf7
for great justice
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cf7 or bard probably
Maaaaybe BT but it's probably cf7 or bard `-`
I've been moving all day because new house so I haven't really had a chance to do any rereading. I'm done now but only for today ;_; Augh headache.
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Oh right there's still two scum left. I was thinking only 1 for some reason.
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##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
sheeping serela
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##Vote CF7
sheeping dormio
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##Vote CF7
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guys slow down
this might be *ylo
i wish i had more time to say other stuff but yeah
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4.1: My Little Votecount - Lynching is Magic
I think Yuno would make a good Fluttershy.
CF7 (3): Conqueror, Dormio, Celery
Not voting: CF7, Serious Bananas, BT, Bardiche
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
There are 66 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130926T2150&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Mafia+Day+4)
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@Mod: Will you announce *YLO?
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You're all making a huge mistake lynching me. As i said earlier i'm a VT with a bad bonus. That bad bonus works like this. When i'm targeted with a Night Kill action i don't die, instead my father dies. I.e. tenth holder of the diary.
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And since things are getting pretty transparent i'll just vote.
##Vote Dormio.
If you want some explanation i'll post it.
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Why would you withhold an explanation?
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Because it doesn't need any. You're a scum and it's clear as a day.
Your final votes.
Raikaria (8 ): Dormio, NekoNekoRex, BT, CF7, huh what, Kilgamayan, BBM, Serela'd
You voted Raikaria. Who flipped town.
Paperblade (7): BigBangMeteor, Serellea, Conqueror, BT, NekoNekoRex, Bardiche, Schezo
Somehow you're conveniently absent on Paperblade wagon. Who flipped scum, btw.
NekoNekoRex (6): BBM, Serious Bananas, Bardiche, Serela-chan, Dormio, Schezo
Suprise! You're on a townie wagon again. And you actually voted 5th and avoided bomb.
Just your voting alone makes you scum. Your nonsensical nitpicking walls. Your poor defense that was pointed over and over. And your tunneling on townies.
I guess that's enough explanation.
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Uh, am I supposed to be laughing here?
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Because if that's the best that you can muster up against me, that's pretty amusing.
Your final votes.You voted Raikaria. Who flipped town.
And I thought he was scum. How does this make me scum?
Somehow you're conveniently absent on Paperblade wagon. Who flipped scum, btw.
And I said that day that I would be willing to switch my vote to Paperblade in order to secure the lynch. Other people did this before me. How does this make me scum?
Suprise! You're on a townie wagon again. And you actually voted 5th and avoided bomb.
And I thought he was scum. How does this make me scum?
Just your voting alone makes you scum.
How so? To me, it looks like you're just getting desperate.
Your nonsensical nitpicking walls.
What part about any of my cases were nonsensical?
Your poor defense that was pointed over and over.
What are you even talking about here?
And your tunneling on townies.
Where am I tunneling? That would imply that I wasn't bothering to look at anyone else.
Also, how am I supposed to know that they're town?
I guess that's enough explanation.
Thanks for explaining how you're desperate scum I guess?
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Suprise! You're on a townie wagon again. And you actually voted 5th and avoided bomb.
And I thought he was scum. How does this make me scum?
I forgot to append to this that I was still more than willing to hammer NNR, but my wifey told me not to and Schezo hammered before anything else could happen.
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You're all making a huge mistake lynching me. As i said earlier i'm a VT with a bad bonus. That bad bonus works like this. When i'm targeted with a Night Kill action i don't die, instead my father dies. I.e. tenth holder of the diary.
between this and nnr's anti-nk role you are most likely scum
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between this and nnr's anti-nk role you are most likely scum
How NNR's role and my claim makes me scum?
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i mean, unless both you and tenth are town? that is just confusing and is another town pairing
my gut reaction was to think that tenth is scum if you are town. do you think tenth is town?
#can't stop gaming
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it's possible i'm just jumping to conclusions
tbh i was reminded of rawr's connection to huhwhat in nhk
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13106.msg864711.html#msg864711
you claimed that it activates on nightkill but considering the firepower in this game i thought it was a scum role that activates on lynch and that might have been your motivation to play badly from the beginning
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i mean, unless both you and tenth are town? that is just confusing and is another town pairing
my gut reaction was to think that tenth is scum if you are town. do you think tenth is town?
Tbh i have my doubts.
Tenth might be town in that case my role is just... what?
Or considering that i'm still alive and tenth actually knows that he dies if i'm attacked, he might me scum.
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but what i'm thinking is this
scum had a risk of getting their nightkiller killed as a result of killing the bomb
and this is YET ANOTHER bomb basically, unless you're both town
...it's not impossible. tenth should claim. then i can actually limit the scumteam to exactly two people with that assumption in mind and see how that works out
and if it doesn't, you're scum
..,hmm, cf7, did you think tenth was scum or town during d1?
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So, if I'm reading correctly, because you didn't want to get somebody who's alignment you weren't sure of killed you tried to... Get yourself killed?
The one person that you should be absolutely certain of in terms of alignment and working towards your own win condition?
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tbh if you flip town tenth should very much be town and with the knowledge i have right now it's either dormio or bard
that's a really gamebreaking clear
and if you don't flip town you don't flip town
i'm reminded that the yuno role could have triggered both your role and nnr's but hmm, i don't think it changes anything
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@BT
I thought he was town. That's why i tried to suicide.So, if I'm reading correctly, because you didn't want to get somebody who's alignment you weren't sure of killed you tried to... Get yourself killed?
The one person that you should be absolutely certain of in terms of alignment and working towards your own win condition?
My role description didn't specify tenth alignment. And i was trying to get myself lynched, not killed.
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That's... Exactly what I'm saying?
In order to try to save the life of a person that you don't know the alignment of you tried to get yourself lynched, the one person that you are supposed to have absolute confidence in.
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Well. That's how it is. My assumption might be wrong. But logically he should be town.
Or another crazy conspiracy theory.
Tenth is scum. He knows my role, he knows that he dies if i'm attacked. And that makes me weird night-unkillable vt, who scum can't kill unless they want to lose one of their own. And that makes my suicide attempt a really stupid thing. :V
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is "he knows your role" part of your pm or just something you're assuming?
in the theoretical that yuki dies, yuno basically gets one more slot she can shoot to cause a scum flip, so i'm still very very iffy about the idea that tenth is scum
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AND I WILL NOW STOP GAMING THE SETUP
LYNCH ME IMMEDIATELY IF I DON'T
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is "he knows your role" part of your pm or just something you're assuming?
Something i am assuming.
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augh why
Okay, I'm about to lose internet. Moving has again been expedited a little I guess.
Dormio is super town because of ~*~REASONS~*~ that may or may not actually be in the game thread, before I go.
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oh, right, I should be back within 24 hours
i'unno if I'll be back a whole lot of the time, but on a regular enough basis
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Show of hands of people who have gotten roleblocked over the course of the game?
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Not I.
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4.2: Votecount No Go
Instead of trying to kill the other diary holders they should have just canceled their cellphone plans. Sorry, your diary has been disconnected!
CF7 (3): Conqueror, Dormio, Celery
Dormio (1): CF7
Not voting: Serious Bananas, BT, Bardiche
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
There are 56 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown
Yes, *YLO will be announced. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130926T2150&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Mafia+Day+4)
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Things sure are progressing quickly in here.
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>8<
There are 50 hours remaining.
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Serious Bananas has been prodded.
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I miss all the drinking games we were supposed to have but never got.
Also, is there really any point to dragging out the day if nobody is going to say anything?
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Is anyone even here?
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I think it's more how most of the folks are around for a 6 hour period we haven't gotten to yet, and I'm not too sure what to think.
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But it's already been a day and all we have is Bard asking about being roleblocked and CF7 stating that he tried to kill himself to protect someone he doesn't even know the identity of.
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Okay let me rephrase it then.
BT, who did you target with your role?
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BBM.
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And on previous nights?
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i'd rather it wait for actual claiming phase
though i will say shadoweh has left me very confused after tonight
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I get on when I have a short period of internet and it turns out you were all being boring. :C
WELP BYE. (Yes I'm still going to be back within 24 hours)
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Good enough for me.
CF7, I doubt your story about Tenth dying instead of you; Please full-claim your flavour.
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several things not adding up about the claim
the obvious is that how do you interpret a role pm where someone dies in your place when you're nightkilled as a vt with a bad bonus? it's like a guaranteed bodyguard action on you.
I sure as hell don't see how cf7 would have been wanted to be lynched with this role, since it's not even detrimental. and in any case, it would have required someone to nightkill cf7 to activate, so, cf7, why did you think you would be nighkilled?
the other is that i think it's likely this tenth person doesnt exist and this is just an elaborate fiction.
this is just a quick post; ill be back in a bit
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the other is that i think it's likely this tenth person doesnt exist and this is just an elaborate fiction.
It doesn't even make sense flavour-wise.
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Lalalalalala.
Serious Bananas, if you come in please mind that CF7 is at L-1 so do not vote him kthx.
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Also someone should probably unvote to prevent any quickhammers/self-hammers/FUCKIT hammers to begin with. It's cool we know where your suspicions lie now.
If Conq is scum then scum put more effort into this game than town so I'm gonna say Conq is Townie and Serela is the towniest (wtf), with BT being unlikely scum. I GUESS SINCE YOU'RE ALL QUIET I'LL GO READ DORMIO OR SOMETHING.
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I'm fine with scum self-hammering since nothing is going on, but if you say you're rereading, then
##unvote
I was going to point out how bad CF7's post today on Dormio was (because CF7 also voted Raikaria D1 and also avoided the Paperblade wagon; sure he wasn't on the nnr wagon but that's because he wasn't voting at all which is just as bad because no votes mean no accountability especially this late in the game) but no one is defending CF7 so yeah.
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Shadoweh go poke SB, I think he forgot about this forum.
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4.3: Votecount Turnabout
Take one drink every time someone in the mafia is FURSTO RATE! Just kidding, none of you are good enough to be Prosecutor Cirno.
CF7 (2): Dormio, Celery
Dormio (1): CF7
Not voting: Serious Bananas, BT, Bardiche, Conqueror
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
There are 44 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown
As a pro stalker, prods have been applied in all applicable venues. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130926T2150&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Mafia+Day+4)
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lol, sorry I got pretty busy yesterday and forgot to notify here. Will het up a post some time today.
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By the way, in 24 hours my access to the topic will become haphazard since I'm heading over to some random area to study diversity in plants.
Just warning in advance.
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You want me to claim the full extent of my role? Enjoy!
I am Hinata Hino. Daughter of the Tenth's Diary Holder. My father's diary is the Breeder Diary. My apprentice diary is the Friendship Diary.
I am Town Tree Stump.
Abilities.
Basic Rights. I have 1 vote and can talk during the day.
Holder by Proxy (Passive). Even though i'm using my father's diary, power of the diary is tied to Karyuudo Tsukishima. Any kill action on me will instead result in my father's death and i lose my vote in the process. This power won't activate if i am lynched.
And that's it. That last part was the reason why i wanted to get myself lynched.
If you're all thinking that it's some really elaborate lie, then good luck to you.
Also, Conq. I didn't vote NNR at all because i wasn't able to. Like physically. I got kind of severe food poisoning and was not even near my pc for the most of that day.
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time to exist i guess
posting now
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The reason I doubt is that there are 12 diaries in Mirai Nikki, and we have 13 players. Akise Aru flipped, meaning that all diaries would be accountable for... but there's no place to put in a tenth diary. I don't think Karyuudo Tsukishima is in the game at the same time as Hinata Hino. A tree stump doesn't die when killed and can instead continue to support town with wise insights and erudite comments. I find it odd you would not confirm whether the Tenth was an actual player in the game or a flavour thing.
This is why flavour-wise it makes no sense for there to be 11 out of 12 diaries in play with two duds.
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Why are we flavorhunting
And isn't role pm quoting against the rules
idk why the mafia killed BBM, he was cop confirmed but they still couldn't argued godfather in a pinch and he's certainly less confirmed than serela the mason who's been sat around since day 4
actually i think if you do the numbers cf7 is confirmed scum
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ASSUMING 5/2
mislynch not!cf7/whoever the other guy is today
mafia kill cf7 at night, cf7 has no vote and the other dude dies
2/2 mafia force nl and win
so cf7 isn't conf scum but there's definitely scum between him and the other dude
everyone character claim. now.
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Just posting to confirm no one is getting modkilled Post
There are 32 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130926T2150&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Mafia+Day+4)
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1) Tenth should claim.
2) I'm Mao so all twelve main diaries are definitely not in this game.
3) SB reminds me of the fact that town!CF7 not lying means we should be at possible MYLO. ???
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that only applies if both are town though, so therefore they aren't. CF7 is probably a better lynch either way.
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I'm Ouji and I'm also pretty sure that 10th isn't even in the game.
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I'm Eighth. If Tenth was in the game I'm sure someone would have said something when CF7 first made the claim.
I also like how this claim has morphed from "vt with a nasty modifier" to "my father dies when im nightkilled" to Tree Stump. And CF7, even now, you claimed that this power would require a kill action on you to activate, so why did you think you would be killed and conclude that getting lynched was better?
If we were in *YLO Shadoweh said it would be announced, and she hasn't, so.
Bardiche, what did you get out of your reread?
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4.4: I Just Want To Be Votecount Loved Too
Take one drink every time someone posts a new vote! Oh wait you would be dry and thirsty.
CF7 (2): Dormio, Celery
Dormio (1): CF7
Not voting: Serious Bananas, BT, Bardiche, Conqueror
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
There are 24 hours remaining.
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My re-read:
Dormio has been riding CF7 hard all game.
Hasn't really done anything else.
Like, seriously.
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That sounds lewd. And what of it?
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We'll see when CF7 flips?
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So is there really much else to discuss today?
Because it feels like the lethargy is strong here.
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I probably won't reread anything until the flip, I mean that's what's been happening all day.
##Vote CF7
Hammer whenever.
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Any objections to hammar?
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(http://i.imgur.com/mQnkr7d.png)
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Not unless someone else has something to say. I think we're all waiting for the flip at this point.
Dormio, stop posting spoilers, jerk.
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Oh boy I'm finally back on a somewhat reliable basis!
I still have a bunch of work that will keep me away (why did they schedule me for more hours then I've had since LAST YEAR on the WEEK I'M MOVING? This is not even a busy time at work at all, I mean really) but if the day's about to end then my less-working times will be most of the next game day, so that's really good timing.
Anyway, looks like you guys got this figured out. Bring on the hammer! (SB; maf didn't kill me because plenty of other people who are great NKs and they probably think I'm really not a threat apart from being conf. town. I was about to start asking for a Paperblade lynch plz when I noticed someone else voted him too so I guess there's that, but overall it's a pretty understandable opinion >_>; I have not even had almost any time to play mafia since D1, in any other game I'd have replaced out)
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4.5: Goldion Votecount
Take one drink when you actually listen to your theme song! Some of them are really good! Except Eighth's theme song. It is too cheerful! My favorites are Perfect Trap, Never End, and not Crazy for You at all. I do not listen to it on repeat!
CF7 (3): Dormio, Celery, BT
Dormio (1): CF7
Not voting: Serious Bananas, Bardiche, Conqueror
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
There are 20 hours remaining.
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Yeah, no point in waiting at this point.
##Vote CF7
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Hm... I'm wondering why my role does not sound plausible to you?
I also like how this claim has morphed from "vt with a nasty modifier" to "my father dies when im nightkilled" to Tree Stump. And CF7, even now, you claimed that this power would require a kill action on you to activate, so why did you think you would be killed and conclude that getting lynched was better?
Because i thought that Tenth was town. Because i'm basically VT. Because in case of me being attacked other power role dies. Because i lose my vote. And because that basically costs town 2 votes with one night kill.
If we were in *YLO Shadoweh said it would be announced, and she hasn't, so.
Anyway, let's just face the facts. Tenth is in the game, unless i have the "bastard role of the game" award.
And this. My and Tenth alignment. We can't be at LyLo at all.
MyLo on other hand is only possible if me and Tenth are both town and you lynch any other townie than me. Say Serela. =)
Shadoweh confirmed that if it was MyLo, Shadoweh would have confirmed it as such.
And it's not MyLo. So the only logical explanation is that my and Tenth alignment is different. Based on all this and the fact that Tenth has not flipped yet i'd say that the only logical explanation, that anyone who wants to lynch me is either scum or just can't use logic. Or something. And after all said i'm thinking that Dormio is actually scum, who is probably Tenth too, since he has not claimed his role yet. And we should lynch him of course.
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Well, fuck.
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Day 4 End: Who The Fuck Is Karyuudo Tsukishima?
Everyone gathered angrilly around CF7.
"Look, we can't stand the barking anymore, just make them stop!"
"BUT I CAN'T! I NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE BEFORE MY DAD GETS HURT!"
Everyone looked at CF7's Role notes.
"..Dude I don't think Tree Stump works that way?"
CF7 looked relieved! "Oh, I guess I don't have to die after all!"
"NO TAKEBACKS!" Someone shouted as they kicked CF7 down some stairs.
CF7 (4): Dormio, Celery, BT, Conqueror
Dormio (1): CF7
Not voting: Serious Bananas, Bardiche
CF7 was Lynched! He was..
Hello, CF7. You are Hinata Hino from Mirai Nikki. You are the Tenth Diary Holder's daughter. You are a a bright, cheerful and tough girl who is very outgoing and athletic. You never let your friends down and support them unconditionally. Your father's diary is the Breeder Diary, which can predict the movements of your father's dogs and those of their targets. Your Apprentice Diary is the Friendship Diary, which is able to predict the future of all those you consider your friends.
Your theme is Never End. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7eTAV22s6Y&list=PL02D4515884702049) Your father doesn't have a theme song.
Role: Town Tree Stump
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Holder by Proxy (Passive) - Although you're carrying his diary, its power is based on Karyuudo Tsukishima's life. Any kill attempts on you will kill your father instead, leaving you voteless. This power ceases functioning if there are 4 or less living players. This power will not activate if you are lynched.
You have 20 hours to PM me night actions.
Night End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130926T23&p0=250&msg=MNM+Night+4)
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I was going to say something unwise here, but instead I'll just say this.
Next time, please please please please please clarify with the mod as to the actual meaning of your role before you make assumptions about the setup.
That's all from me on this.
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It's partially my fault that this happened but it's really irritating in retrospect that after the initial case I made basically the entirety of yesterday was just roleprodding.
i blame Raikaria for this.
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it's probably something like dormio x bard
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bard, why did you decide it was relevant to ask bt about his role yesterday?
dormio, why do you not have a single opinion on bard or bt in your entire iso?
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Day 5 LYLO Start: The Creator
"I am the leading role of my life, so just step forward, it's okay, I don't need Yuno!"
Serious Bananas sang nervously to himself as he looked down at his diary.
10 pm: There were lots of votes on that wagon.
10:30pm: Someone posted in the mafia.
"God damn useless diary!"
11pm: Serious Bananas was crushed by a boulder.
"Wait.. what was that last one?"
Serious Bananas was killed! He was...
Hello, Serious Bananas. You are Yukiteru Amano from Mirai Nikki. You are the main male protagonist of the series and the First diary user. You are known foryour crybaby personality. You also have a tendency to cower while in battle, usually relying on Yuno Gasai for protection. You lack confidence and are usually submissive to confrontation. Your Random Diary gives a detailed explanation of your surroundings up to ten minutes in the future, but never mentions what is happening to yourself.
Your theme song is You Are the Leading Role of Your Life, So Puff Out Your Chest and Walk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LWRmQZYfD8&list=PL02D4515884702049&index=12)
Role: Town Dependant Hider
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hider
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
Cower (Active) - Hiding is really all you're good at. Every night, you will hide behind Yuno Gasai, who is confirmed to be in this game. While hiding you are considered an ineligible target for most night actions, which will simply fail. You do not know the identity or alignment of Yuno Gasai. If Yuno Gasai is eliminated, you will lose this ability.
Not voting: Everyone
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
There are 72 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130929T23&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+5)
WARNING WARNING BLACK HOLES HAVE STARTED DESTROYING EVERYTHING! A LYLO IS FAST APPROACHING!
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bard, why did you decide it was relevant to ask bt about his role yesterday?
Delaying answer to that question until after claims. I propose popcorn mass claim.
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No problem with massclaim, but who's gonna start?
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I'd prefer not to go first (sorry). Should scummiest or towniest go first? If first, Dormio. Latter, Serela.
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Above determined by Popular Opinion. I think Dormio/BT is a Possible Thing, but Dormio/Conq is also possible. Serela would be levels of derp I do not want to consider.
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TO COMPLETE THE TRIFECTA WE CAN ALSO HAVE BT/CONQ LEL
But seriously, the thing Conq says about BT amounts to:
As for BT himself, there's nothing in BT's posts in the thread that couldn't have come from BT!scum I guess but I think the way he's pressing on NNR and Schezo makes sense from a theoretical town!BT. In any case the way he's questioning people is townier than the one-track pursuits by the people mentioned above, because having only one scum read at this stage of the game is just terrible. There's also other stuff that makes me lean towards BT!town that will either become clear with my flip or that I might elaborate on tomorrow.
Having only one scum suspect isn't scummy by definition. Elaboration on BT!Town haven't been made. Unless he claims Role Confirmation of BT being Town, there's also nothing in a flip that would really point to it.
So basically, all the doors are open to me except for Serela x Anyone, which isn't a pairing I'd want to ship. Serela x Bardiche for Townies obv, but that's wrong on so many levels. (I did enjoy the night we spent together last, but.)
My nomination for first claimant is Dormio.
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I can do Dormio.
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I can do Dormio.
oh bby
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Conq x BT is off the table and you know it.
(Anything x BT is also off the table for less objective reasons.)
Anyway hold me while I read the thread and probably come up with a bunch of connections without any logical conclusion.
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By the way, is there any point in waiting for Dormio to claim first, given everyone in the game should know his claim by now anyway?
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wtf fck ths sht
srsly wtf
fckng bbms pst rstrctn
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You are a SUPER HERO OF JUSTICE and must IDENTIFY and ELIMINATE all CRIME! Each night you may attempt to strangle the guilt out of a player by private messaging the ##JUSTICE (player) command, along with a 50 word message describing their crime, along with with an appropriate post restriction. The message will be posted at the beginning of the day and the player will receive the post restriction for the day. Every time the restriction is broken, they will receive a JUSTICE vote.
How could BBM post-restrict you if he died N3? And where is this message describing your crime and an appropriate post restriction?
Dormio are you claiming scum.
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BT, why can I not ship Conq x BT pairings? Indulge me, I am stupid.
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n my trgt myslf nd nt cnt
srl xpln 4 m l8tr
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myslf s nvrsl bckp
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I can't even make out what that's saying.
I can't even find any evidence of BBM's messages being posted at the start of each day. Nor of anyone being post restricted before.
Yet now it is suddenly claimed to happen post-mortem? Pardonnez-moi pour la suspicion?
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1--- Also are you claiming Universal Back-up Dormio?
Ys for Yes, N for no. If not, give us some hint as to what you ARE claiming to be.
2--- Second question: Who is your next pick for claiming in popcorn? Use their player number as given in the OP.
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1--- Also are you claiming Universal Back-up Dormio?
y
2--- Second question: Who is your next pick for claiming in popcorn? Use their player number as given in the OP.
6
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I can't even find any evidence of BBM's messages being posted at the start of each day. Nor of anyone being post restricted before.
Yet now it is suddenly claimed to happen post-mortem? Pardonnez-moi pour la suspicion?
1 trgt 1
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gv myslf pst rstrctn frm hll
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Yeah, okay, I'll help. This is really funny, though.
Dormio's claim is Town Surprise Backup and he gets to use actions of people who died in the prior night and day. (so N2 and D3 deaths go to N3) I guess he targeted himself with BBM's role to confirm his backup because otherwise everything else was inconclusive.
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Okay, cute.
My role is Universal Back-up. Every night I can target a living player and if they act that night, I get a copy of the power they used that night. This is why I asked BT about his role and why I was so suspicious about him, because I consider the role to be futile to Town mostly. Odds of hitting Townie is higher than odds of hitting Mafia, and I consider the risks outweigh the benefits. Without spoiling BT's power, this should be helpful in proving the accuracy of my claim. I even acted on someone using a stolen power.
Quite a conundrum that I don't see solved too quickly. Unless bastard mod with two of the same role, heh. I'd actually be rather annoyed were that the case, you know. Cos I really hate bastard mafia games and I was under the impression Shadoweh would never do that to me? That's why I'm rather sure one of us must die today, and as far as I care, it must be you. Of course, if Serela can corroborate that you DO in fact take powers, in same way, that'd be a different story. Pretty uh, amusing choice, that one, actually. I also acted on Serela, you see... Could be a nasty situation where Serelykins has to corroborate two stories?
Eh, either way, we should forge on. BT, can you claim?
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Being cut by BT makes me also interested in how you can help out with Dormio's claim there?
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Parsing claim.
Being cut by BT makes me also interested in how you can help out with Dormio's claim there?
Secret.
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Scum cutie?
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Actually there's really only one scum remaining, since two died already?
Mod, are we in LYLO or is "LYLO fast approaching" meant to imply that tomorrow is a LYLO?
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Claim your actions per night?
Also if you know my action and I'm about to claim anyway, why don't you say it first?
cut I think it was just Shadoweh being silly and we're in LYLO
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why don't you say it first?
2 scum remaining, who's to say I'm not covering a scumbuddy/using them as a cover story?
Anyway, you're a jailer. You kidnap people. With passion.
Possibly also chloroform.
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Yeah that I am. It's not futile to town though?? Especially if you're aware of who you're targeting.
My role's name is Town Kidnapper. This was a crumb. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020621.html#msg1020621) This was a hilarious reply to a crumb. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1020743.html#msg1020743) My first post in this thread was me venting about being a protective role for 50%+ of my town games or some unholy shit.
I was confused after N3 because it was my second time failing to save someone despite my action connecting. (BBM) First time was with HW on N1. Thought it was a oneshot strongman but now I'm just ???. N2 I targeted BBM and N4 I targeted Serela. Considered targeting some dudes I thought were scum in recent nights but decided I'd rather play it safe because fuck 50% chances.
ftr I know I wasn't redirected in any of those nights because Shadoweh specifically mentioned that I stuffed <dude> into closet. So I'm feeling a bit trolled.
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I'll ask you again to claim what you did each night.
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Did you also fall asleep to their muffled screams?
And do you mind picking the next claimant before I claim all my nightly activities and make it about me?
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Did you also fall asleep to their muffled screams?
No. The flavor isn't always the same, Shadoweh does whatever she feels like.
And do you mind picking the next claimant before I claim all my nightly activities and make it about me?
Conq's the only one left and he won't be here for a while?
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Serelaiest?
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I can confirm Dormio is either Actually a Backup or a scum with a role he's used pretty creatively and did some pretty ballsy lying, andI have a town read on him apart from roleshens anyway. But I'd like Bard to claim his actions first!
Conq lets everyone who isn't named Bardiche into his fabulous quicktopic. (We were going to have a not-bard party with SB but he died) (yes I do mean everyone)
And yeah I'm just a mason.
Vowelless Dormio oh god. At least he can use Y. Are you allowed to use underscores so we can play hangmafia with all of your posts? (I'm kidding, though.)
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also isn't it a little weird that bard guessed town universal backup immediately from dormio's garbage post or am I missing something ??? (This is what was gone over in the party QT last night and there's guaranteed to be scum in there)
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Actually there's really only one scum remaining, since two died already?
are you trying to be derp or something, we only have one flip that isn't green
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also isn't it a little weird that bard guessed town universal backup immediately from dormio's garbage post or am I missing something ??? (This is what was gone over in the party QT last night and there's guaranteed to be scum in there)
nevermind I reread and managed to make out that he was claiming rolename before bard said that
it's kind of really easy to miss
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theory for if BT is actually town (he might not be, I don't know, I have to leave for work really soon so I don't have time to do things like reread the thread yet)
Mafia has an infinite strongman (town gets some reliable clears and some situationally-likely-to-occur ones ontop of that in this setup, makes sense) and the Town Jailer is just for roleblocking unless/until the strongman is killed, or until Yuno starts serial killing which it can block
Seems pretty interesting and not-a-terrible-idea to me.
Ugh that'd mean Dormio or Conq is scum though! :C Conq is my solid townread since n1 and Dormio has been a townread and the roleshens and discussions in our QTs after he invaded my private mason areas n3 have only solidified my read on him.
Even if we lynch Bard and he's scum I will be so augh d6. If I get there. >_>
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mafia having an ascetic redirecter and a roleblocker would seem a little weird, too... (especially given town's active powers aren't terribly strong, instead we get a buttload of clears)
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anyway work gtg
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I guess I'll start by clearing my own name if Serela's still guessing (Serela why).
Step 1: Notice the first 150 posts in the secret space, along with the end of D1. I am definitely not scum with Conq.
Step 2: Notice the huhwhat NK. Like, fuck. In what world would I want to kill the guy who was townreading me so strongly AND was fixated on scumreading Conq? I would've just killed someone like BBM.
I'm sure there are other things. I just haven't noticed them. The only reason I'm aware of that last point is because I became paranoid of Conq during N3, stopping to consider why someone would waste a strongman on huhwhat on N1, but then BBM was killed in the same way and it became less of a big deal.
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By the way, one of my theories in the secret space was that Zak was roleclopped on N1 as "Town Serial Killer" and was promptly killed on N2 as a result. He'd be clopped because of the link to Yuki being interesting.
What I'm saying is that scum should have a roleclop. I thought Bard was scum for asking me about my role at first but now I'm unsure - if scum did find out my role, they could have just killed me tonight, or maybe they were confident that I wouldn't become really town as a result? I don't know.
ANYWAY, just from Bard/Dormio claim interactions today I'm thinking they shouldn't be scum together, but I'll go over them again now to make sure.
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This is why I asked BT about his role and why I was so suspicious about him, because I consider the role to be futile to Town mostly. Odds of hitting Townie is higher than odds of hitting Mafia, and I consider the risks outweigh the benefits. Without spoiling BT's power, this should be helpful in proving the accuracy of my claim. I even acted on someone using a stolen power.
Serela x Bardiche for Townies obv, but that's wrong on so many levels. (I did enjoy the night we spent together last, but.)
You ended up using it on town anyway, though? What's with this?
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It should be Bard and Conq. Bard's role isn't actually a Universal Backup, his play has been shifty and it's weird that he targeted Serela when he knew I was around and targeting townreads too. Serela has a townread on Dormio through quicktopic shenanigans that I'm willing to trust over any slight townreads on Conq through the same means and nothing Conq's done makes him decidedly town. Dormio and Bard have both proven their respective roles -- and despite having differently functioning roles they're probably not both scum as that would be stupid. Conq's gameplan was to lynch Bard and Dormio in whatever order works (Bard probably went with the backup CC for that reason even though his role isn't actually a backup -- I said in the past that Bard and Conq together was an unlikely team and they probably factored that in). He nightkilled huhwhat because it was essential and hooked me up because he thought he could handle it and he did. There are also minor things like how he was "surprised" by how vocal I was in the QT and how he made a point of justifying hooking me up on N1 with "I Believe that this is a more fun way to play the game" more than once which seems useless and doesn't even make that much sense. I voiced how I thought Conq was weaseling out of suspecting me at first so scum!him probably felt like he had to establish that that's not what happened -- even now I think his sudden backing off was for poor reasons considering the strength of his case, especially compared to the strength of the preceding SB case. Setup wise, invincible redirector + role copier (also acts as roleclop) + useless but cool permanent neighborizer role makes sense to me. I don't know where the strongman comes in, maybe it's another one of Conq's abilities. Both Eighth and Eleventh (Conq and Bard respectively?) should have the capacity to boast a protect bypass imo -- maybe in conjunction or some shit.
Roll in with your conterarguments. This is my contribution for the (rl) day.
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I derp, I saw the same Mafia flip twice.
also isn't it a little weird that bard guessed town universal backup immediately from dormio's garbage post or am I missing something ??? (This is what was gone over in the party QT last night and there's guaranteed to be scum in there)
Because he posted nvrsl bckp and the only vowels that made sense is "universal backup"?
Step 2: Notice the huhwhat NK. Like, fuck. In what world would I want to kill the guy who was townreading me so strongly AND was fixated on scumreading Conq? I would've just killed someone like BBM.
In the world where scum!BT would make this argument. You may have told us you targetted BT with your protective role that failed precisely because you do not know if there was/is a Tracker in play. (There is not.) Failing to protect the kill target twice kind of makes me go ???.
You ended up using it on town anyway, though? What's with this?
I was confident Serela did not have an active portion to the role because Masons is a very powerful role already. What's more, his Mason partner had just died revealing it to the world to see. Now, why NOT kill a confirmed Town and avoid a situation where no one will vote Serela? I opted to use it on Serela on that one night (Hence why I said his muffled screams helped my sleep) because in Bard!Logic, a Mason cannot have a second incredibly useful power.
Bard's role isn't actually a Universal Backup, his play has been shifty and it's weird that he targeted Serela when he knew I was around and targeting townreads too.
It's not weird at all. Remember how I was voting you? Why the hell would I not try to protect Serela while under the impression that you were scum?
I targetted Conqueror with my power the other night, too, which makes no sense if I could steal powers as scum; In my claimant post I made the word QUICTOPIC (forgetting K because herp) in that rambly paragraph precisely to allude to it in case Conq claimed, but now he won't need to because Serela is helpful and claims for other people. (Thanks Serela!) But yeah, I agree that Conq makes Neighbours with people which he probably did with just about everyone. Did all his neighbours survive? :>
I'm not precisely sure why "Dormio targeted himself for post restriction" makes any amount of sense. Targeting someone else with a very, very mild restriction would have made a whole lot more sense than this business where he targets himself without confirming that it actually works that way and he can avoid post restrictions from hell that way. Grabbing the powers of everyone who's died also doesn't sound very Town-y, it just means that Scum would not have been able to eliminate a single active power role on Town's side until Dormio'd die. The only thing that kind of makes sense is one-shot Cop then, since it prevents any backers up from copping everyone around. (Though I only get a one-shot of one person who acted that night that I specifically targeted, so it'd be significantly less powerful than Dormio's.)
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I'm not precisely sure why "Dormio targeted himself for post restriction" makes any amount of sense. Targeting someone else with a very, very mild restriction would have made a whole lot more sense than this business where he targets himself without confirming that it actually works that way and he can avoid post restrictions from hell that way.
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Grabbing the powers of everyone who's died also doesn't sound very Town-y, it just means that Scum would not have been able to eliminate a single active power role on Town's side until Dormio'd die.
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hmm
##Vote Bardiche
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Isn't it supremely interesting that all the powers Dormio has used were from victims of the scum NK? (and also people who were defended by BT?) (See: QT with Serela (HW) and Vote Restriction (BBM))
##Vote: Dormio
What did you do night 3, Dormio? There was an ascetic redirector, wasn't there? Moreover, why would you gank HW's Masonry power instead of the Gift Giver and give someone a Track?
N1 Kilga targeted BT and acquired Jailer power by #Kidnap.
N2 I kidnapped Serela to protect him from any untoward murders. I should hope he can confirm he was roleblocked or something.
N3 I targeted Conqueror and acquired the ability to make a Server Created QT with someone. I chose not to use this as it was pointless.
N4
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In the world where scum!BT would make this argument. You may have told us you targetted BT with your protective role that failed precisely because you do not know if there was/is a Tracker in play. (There is not.) Failing to protect the kill target twice kind of makes me go ???.
No shit. Whether I'm town telling the truth or scum making the argument doesn't matter, as killing huhwhat on N1 just for the sake of this argument is not worth the payoff and objectively makes me more likely to be town. As for failing to save folks twice, there are hints to the fact that I'm not lying about this -- I direct the secret space members to message 12 ("I was not expecting huhwhat to die") and the message 104 range (me asking Conq for his link target so I can protect them). Message 234 has me posting what I posted later on in the thread, about being extremely confused by the result of my action. (failing a second time)
It's not weird at all. Remember how I was voting you? Why the hell would I not try to protect Serela while under the impression that you were scum?
Oh shit, I thought you copied my role on N3 and used it on N4 or something.
And yeah that's not how Dormio works. He picks one legal action to use out of the actions of people who died in the preceding night and day phases. (so N1 and D2 for the N2 action) Also, he apparently gave Schezo the coroner but Schezo said nothing to that effect (worth looking for crumbs?). He stated what he got each night in detail in the secret space. Paraphrasing:
N1: 3 gifts, gave coroner to Schezo.
N2: Masonry with Serela and choice between ascetic/redirect, chose ascetic.
N3: NNR's investigation immunity and Schezo's used cop result on BBM, nothing to use.
N4: BBM's restriction and CF7's treestump, used restriction on self.
It's a convenient collection but at the same time doesn't seem fake so meep.
It's nice that you didn't feel like using your theoretical link. It only means we can't verify that you actually had it. You probably did use my action at least once because you tried claiming the flavor, though. I even found this:
Your muffled screams were the lullaby that inspired my sleep last night.
Hmm. Serela should tell us why Dormio was so town in the mason QT.
I'm also left thinking what was up with Kilga voting me coming into D2 now, assuming he knew my role.
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Can't confirm being roleblocked, probably because I have no powers to be blocked. (Stopping me from posting in the mason qt would be hilarious though and dormio would be so very alone after joining me)
BT explained dormio action stuff.
I thought at work "Bard could easily be a souped up Rolecop, right?" (or a variant of one if he was scum but still truthing over his role). But I'm having trouble deciding if I really want to vote him or not, now :/ I guess I really do have to reread the game soon.
BT:Jailer is a common scum role too, so having it isn't a clear.
I wish I could ask dormio to confirm his post restriction but it'd leave him open to be quicklynched by scum if he's not scum himself, so that'd be a horrible horrible idea.
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I wish I could ask dormio to confirm his post restriction but it'd leave him open to be quicklynched by scum if he's not scum himself, so that'd be a horrible horrible idea.
then again this really wouldn't accomplish much even if he could, on second though
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Hmm. Serela should tell us why Dormio was so town in the mason QT.
To be honest it's nothing he couldn't have probably faked as scum without much trouble, although I guess then he persuaded Shadoweh to let him back into the QT during the night phase after she had kicked him out. (I then had to move the entire time </3)
But I guess I thought his role was also kinda townie? And I already had a town read on him.
Yeah I wouldn't have said "guise dormio so town!" in the thread if I hadn't been under pressure from lack of internet and thinking he might actually get wagoned from CF7's vote (which he obviously wasn't going to be) (I've said this like 5 times I really should stop)
Copying dead townie powers isn't as strong as you might think when most of them are pretty weak, at least in 24 hour durations. It doesn't feel like a big deal as a town PR apart from stirring the pot some, although it has interesting implications if it were a scum role.
Anyway especially when you consider PoE I don't think there's any reason to lynch outside of Bard/Dormio today. And I think it's kinda clear where my opinion falls in that matter!
I doubt BT's target claiming would be like that if he was scum, but I don't drink wine, so.
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"pretty weak" isn't the right word
but it turns him into a grab bag of powers that don't actually do a whole lot for him without getting lucky
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dormio wants me to restate that his powers wear off after a short time
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v0t3c0vnt 4 lyl0 5.2
I don't want to cry, and I don't want to see you anymore
Burning love intersects
Coming to see me while wanting to cry, chasing after me
No one can stop you
Is this the future? Or a dream?
Where is the answer? This is the door that tests the present
Should I destroy it or open it?
Blood teller...
Dormio (1) Bardiche
Bardiche (1) Dormio
Not voting: Conqueror, BT, Hitlerela
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.
There are 50 hours remaining.
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quickly (lol) confirming I'm the Town Connector with the ability to invite people into a qt every night (it's the same link for everyone).
n1: bt
n2: bbm
n3: serela
n4: sb
catching up with the rest of the thread now
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At least we can agree that scum is between Dormio and I, because otherwise scum could've effected a quicklynch to win the game! Yaaay!
It'd suck if people lynch me regardless using mass blinders though. I still submit that it's utterly retarded to target yourself with a post restriction and get no mod confirmation whatsoever that it'd screw you over; I got Shadoweh asking me if I was sure on one of the actions I submitted! I don't really follow why Dormio wouldn't at least inquire if he could target himself. And targeting someone who died should still not invalidate the fact you acted that night.
Basically I think the timing of Dormio doing something incredibly moronic such as target himself and failing to check if that is a legit action, then getting hit with near-incomprehensible post restriction is way too convenient for a LYLO situation. Scum using a QT to get chummy with people in a one-on-one situation isn't out of the ordinary, nor is scum QT stealer. The only powers Dormio has actually demonstrated use of is QTs, and I have been scum with a QT Hijack role before.
His content's been pretty light all game with many promises of more content later. Egregiously if you read one of his cases as here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022390.html#msg1022390), I point out that he never really explains why anything of Zakeri's actions is particularly scummy. Most of the post seems to say "I don't understand" and "Zakeri is taking contradictory stances", neither of which are particularly scummy traits. Dormio literally made a case there on someone he can't make a case on, there's nothing there to point out why or how Zakeri is being scummy. Of interest is the response to BT here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1022175.html#msg1022175), where he says he's interested in Zakeri and that's enough. That's the most blatant "fuck you I'm gonna keep tunneling" I've seen in a while (hurr durr because I haven't played Mafia in months) and that the culmination of that is just the above, flimsy case of non-understanding.
He just hops to Paperblade later and then to CF7 after claiming it is the best lynch... and on Day 3 further ignores case-making requirements by just saying "sheeping Serela". At this point Dormio's pretty much quit playing the game in the thread and has apparently moved on to only playing in QTs, at which point he can act as scummy as the fuck he wants because in one-on-one conversations it's harder to detect whether the person is saying what you want to hear or whether they're being genuine.
"Hola se?or Bard," you might say, "you've been pretty Mehican siesta about scumhunting yourself!" Meanwhile you grit your teeth at the terrible strawman being built up here. It's awful, Bardiche keeps doing it! The difference is I'm replacing in because Kilga needed to put his priorities elsewhere, and did not sign up for this game out of love for reading endless pages on pages of sweet lies and silvery deceit. And derpitude. Honestly, Dormio signed up to play the game, so his lack of commitment thereto and the lacking quality of his activities when present are so bad, it's just as he's not even attempting to play the game seriously and trying to win as Town.
Therefore, I end with one recommendation.
##Vote: Dormio
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if we want dormio to make a cool post he's totally free to do so in the QT that everyone other then bard is present in :V
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Dormio says he assumed he would be fine because the rolepm he states you only receive the restriction from hell if you outright fail to send in a use of the power- so, using oneself as a target was seemingly a perfectly safe option.
I'm getting too sleepy to address the rest, (plus dormio should be able to defend himself in the QT for all the people who are supposed to be deciding between the obvious 1v1 of the day) but I'll be around lots of tomorrow~
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actually ill respond to this first because im being called off to do some other stuff
There are also minor things like how he was "surprised" by how vocal I was in the QT and how he made a point of justifying hooking me up on N1 with "I Believe that this is a more fun way to play the game" more than once which seems useless and doesn't even make that much sense. I voiced how I thought Conq was weaseling out of suspecting me at first so scum!him probably felt like he had to establish that that's not what happened -- even now I think his sudden backing off was for poor reasons considering the strength of his case, especially compared to the strength of the preceding SB case.
All this is just explaining how something could have went down if I were scum, but it's an explanation that assumes I'm scum and works from there.
-I was surprised by the amount you posted in the QT because I was. I wasn't expecting you to post that much given how much you didn't post on D1.
-I hooked you up Night 1 for 1) getting a better read on you and 2) to keep the inevitable wallfight out of the game thread, and I've stated this as much, so I have no idea what you mean by saying I did it "for fun." Where did I say that?
-I back off my scumreads if I feel like I'm getting so emotionally involved that it's affecting my judgement. See how I backed off Polaris in Pictures of Birds or how I backed off Vhaltz in Town Mafia.
-Why was backing off scummy in the first place given that there was definitely traction for scumreads on you on D2 and your biggest defender died overnight?
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if we want dormio to make a cool post he's totally free to do so in the QT that everyone other then bard is present in :V
:V Because isolating only one person from your discussions isn't at all going to colour your perspective on that one person, no sir. Just because Dormio is in a QT with you doesn't mean he's Town.
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"Hey Shadoweh, target myself unless that's impossible then target y."
Come on, Dormio, you're not stupid. Compulsive roles acting on themselves is often unheard of. Assuming now is the exception is odd, as is not just targeting someone else with a super mild post restriction.
When did Dormio claim to have given Schezo an item? Before or after Schezo's demise? If after, it's easy to create lies after there's no one left alive to call you out on them. If the former, it was still possible for Scum!Dormio to eliminate Schezo during the night to avoid having the story corroborated.
(plus dormio should be able to defend himself in the QT for all the people who are supposed to be deciding between the obvious 1v1 of the day)
Yes, because one party being able to exclusively influence the rest with the other party being unable to respond to it isn't going to be in scum's favour in the least.
Man, if you just want to play in QTs, poke me when you get around to playing Mafia in the thread.
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Honestly my responses feel like formalities because "this is polite" and "this is how I should be playing mafia, right?" but then I kinda feel bad because I extremely doubt I'll be persuaded into voting Dormio over Bard. My responses were bad as Bard just pointed out in a cut, because I was getting to the point of trying to justify things I had already stopped caring about.
There's so many things I could say to Bard about why I'd rather vote him but I'm tired and it feels like it's only for justifying my vote to look like a better player, and not actually to help secure the Bard lynch, which AFAI-Can-Tell is more likely even if I didn't possess a vote.
#Vote Bardiche
Might as well. `-`
(like, some of the things bard is saying in that post, such as dormio delegating his amount of play to "sheeping serela" d3 when in actuality Dormio wrote up a big case on NNR after doing that, is just a flat out lie, I mean seriously. So there are indeed ACTUAL REASONS for this.)
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I feel bad for my amount of lazy in postmaking this game.
But, it's just kind of been a cruise as after D1 there's like, absolutely no fight in who's actually going to be lynched- most of the game just... agrees on someone and lynches them without any significant fuss. (Unless BT/Conq suddenly start really wanting bard lynched today)
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Also:
DORMIO, YOU LIAR
Check it. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025455.html#msg1025455)
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That's a vowel as well as the 'y'. Shadoweh has incurred no punishment for the use of either.
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Sigh, good job Serela. Throw the game.
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such as dormio delegating his amount of play to "sheeping serela" d3 when in actuality Dormio wrote up a big case on NNR after doing that
Except, you lazy fuck, he voted CF7 saying he was sheeping you. If he wasn't sheeping you on that he'd write a big case on CF7, not on NNR. If he thought CF7 was such a good lynch he would not have looked to focusing on NNR at all.
I hate "play to win" rules, because having to argue with people who have already decided you are wrong is the most annoying thing in the world.
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##Unvote bardiche
fine let's see if shadoweh says anything about that
also y is only sometimes a vowel so I could see that one
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if dormio actually has a justice vote on him you people better turbolynch bard before the other scum jumps on >:T
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if dormio actually has a justice vote on him you people better turbolynch bard before the other scum jumps on >:T
because OBVIOUSLY scum wouldn't seriously post restrict themselves they'd fake it
unless Dormio seriously derped I guess
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Bard I think you said something wrong because I just looked at Day 3 and Dormio's first post was his huge case on NNR, there was no CF7 vote that day.
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It's really easy to think you're spouting blatant lies when you accidentally mix up the days :V
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It's really easy to think you're spouting blatant lies when you accidentally mix up the days :V
Because mixing up the days clearly means it doesn't exist and never happened. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1024311.html#msg1024311)
Never mind. Fuck the play to win rule. If you vote me I will self-hammer and help you achieve the loss you desire. If you want to lose this badly I won't stop you.
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and practically the entire game is guilty of doing almost nothing d4, there was an instant wagon on cf7 and then people trotted around his role shenanigans confusedly and nothing really happened
I mean I guess dormio is still guilty of it but that was everyone
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I might have a bias against you but that doesn't change that when I read your arguments against dormio I still don't really agree with them
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So you're saying this:
Egregiously if you read one of his cases as here, I point out that he never really explains why anything of Zakeri's actions is particularly scummy. Most of the post seems to say "I don't understand" and "Zakeri is taking contradictory stances", neither of which are particularly scummy traits. Dormio literally made a case there on someone he can't make a case on, there's nothing there to point out why or how Zakeri is being scummy. Of interest is the response to BT here, where he says he's interested in Zakeri and that's enough. That's the most blatant "fuck you I'm gonna keep tunneling" I've seen in a while (hurr durr because I haven't played Mafia in months) and that the culmination of that is just the above, flimsy case of non-understanding.
Is false? His case on Zakeri is solid, and he made abundantly clear why Zakeri was scummy in that post? Refusing to look at other people and focusing on Zakeri despite no one being interested in a Zakeri lynch was not tunnelling?
Enlighten me. You're clearly not interested in my offer to lynch myself so we might as well keep doing this back-and-forth.
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Man Castle is a Great.. uh I Mean Mirai Votecount! 5.3
I was struck by those words, too late to give unnecessary pity
"Tell me", you said to me, "I'll take you away", my resolution wasn't enough
"Shall we be tied down by reason? But you ran away in fear"
Forgiving while hugging, Grief Resentment Impatience Bloodlust
If it repeats, Blood Teller..
Dormio (1) Bardiche
Bardiche (1) Dormio
Not voting: Conqueror, BT, Hitlerela
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.
There are 47 hours remaining.
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Actually, never mind the inquiry. I'm not going to bother with you Serela, since at this point you admitted you're not interested in playing Mafia well, you're just interested in doing polite things and keeping up appearances. Don't bother. You've already stated you will not vote Dormio, so the only ones I care about at this point are Conq and BT, who have not yet decided they want to throw the game.
Oh look, no justice vote.
Dormio was lying.
Still want to lynch me, Serela? Well?
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Bard, you've got what you wanted because of a technicality.
WELL PLAYED, DORMIO. But you made a mistake. :T
##Vote Dormio
Dormio lying about post restricting himself pretty much eliminates the possibility he's town single-pointedly.
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##Unvote Dormio
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you're just interested in doing polite things and keeping up appearances.
this is still pretty much the opposite of what I was doing though because I was saying things like "making a case would only be for looking better" so then I completely skip making a case.
In fact, I've been doing this since d2.
My play this game looks absolutely horrible because I haven't bothered to verbally justify almost anything I've done :V
And I wasn't just voting you because I don't like you face or something. I don't significantly agree with most (if any) of your points against Dormio. But, yeah, him lying about the restriction is kind of a deal-breaker. :T
cut by BARD WHY
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Serela, do you honestly believe that "a technicality" is the reason you're not lynching me today? Are you that fucking dense?
You're not lynching me because I hate giving up and will continuously read people of who I am sure they are scum so that I can justify it. Unlike you, I did not decide that anyone, someone, is Town and then stop reading them completely.
And after this full fucking retard (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025539.html#msg1025539), do you honestly believe I will let you quicklynch Dormio and get into LYLO in full fucking apathy mode without at least making clear why BT is the final scum?
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Or actually I should probably read Conq and BT completely to write out why either or is scum, as I just realise my logic for BT scum makes no sense.
But I refuse to let them kill me tonight without having analysed either in detail and working out why one is scum over the other.
Not after that stunt of yours.
My responses were bad as Bard just pointed out in a cut, because I was getting to the point of trying to justify things I had already stopped caring about.
Fucking MOTK Mafia.
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I didn't foresee Dormio messing up his PR and revealing it was a lie, which was pretty much the only thing I can imagine would have convinced me at this point >_>
You act like I'm not reading, when in actuality I really did read all your points and look at the parts of the game you're referencing and just plain don't agree. From a scumhunting standpoint, I still entirely disagree with your case on why Dormio is scum.
You're assuming that just because I'm being too lazy to explain things I'm actually not paying attention to them at all, when I simply have a viewpoint that is more or less a complete 180 from yours despite having read the game.
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Anyway the reason I think BT is scum is because in this post he claims to be venting about being a protective role often (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025341.html#msg1025341). His first post in this thread is actually something about the OP, and then a "furious confirmation", but no venting at all about being a protective role often.
Therefore, I submit that BT must have vented about it but somewhere else, in a private area, and he just slipped and did not fact-check his actual first post. (He does not, in fact, rant about it in the beginning of the game at all, so.)
This logic is shaky however. He could've ranted about it in the QT, at which point I wonder why he would claim so early. Conq, please confirm whether BT vented about being a protective role often in your QT.
So, further reading. Logic in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025371.html#msg1025371), under point 2), relies on BT being a one-man scum-team. He is not. Like I said, it is also a convenient excuse for scum to make. "That would've been a bad target for me," quoth they. Ironically, this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025372.html#msg1025372) should actually have pointed out how I could not be scum: It'd propose scum would have left a Town Jailer alive despite Kilga mimicking him N1 and, thus, revealing his role to any theoretical scumteams I had. Like seriously guys.
Further points of interest are this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15570.msg1025394.html#msg1025394) where he decides Conq is Scum because Serela has a Townread on Dormio. Dormio did not prove his role (faulty logic). The rest isn't arguing on how I am scum but how Conq is scum.
Basically if you condense the paragraph and take out the fluff, it reads as:
"Bard is Scum.
Dormio is Town because Serela Townreads him.
Therefore, Conqueror is Scum."
Basically, BT set it up so that there is no scenario in which Dormio should be lynched, and we have already demonstrated that Dormio was lying about his role.
The reason I would not immediately say BT is scum is the way Dormio entered the QTs Conq made...
Conqueror, please shed clarity:
How does your power work exactly? Multiple QTs or one collective QT?
Did Dormio invade any of them at any point, and if so, at what points did he do so? Did you invite him ever?
If you did not invite him, has he stayed in the QT for longer than a day?
Serela.
You are a Mason. You have a Mason QT on top of Conq's QT.
Did Dormio at any point enter your Mason QT? At what point was that? For how long has he been in that QT?
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Bard's case on BT is something I actually -can- get behind. Partially because I have like literally no reason to think Conq is scum apart from not being dead.
The point on the venting is totally silly, though, his "furious confirmation" can pretty much qualify. Thinking otherwise I'm pretty sure is just a PoV difference on the matter, which in this case doesn't amount to much
Dormio entered my QT at the end of n2 and remained until the end of n3. He was originally kicked out at the end of d3 but he persuaded Shadoweh to let him back in. Then we both moved to the Conq QT, which he eventually said we because we were masons and share everything, hence when I joined he was brought along. It seems silly but I could just account that as Shadoweh shenanigans.
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Why do I still bother?
The point on the venting is totally silly, though, his "furious confirmation" can pretty much qualify.
The argument is psychological. The human mind is exceptionally good at remembering and exceptionally good at forgetting. If BT states that he "vented about being a protective role 50% of the time or so", then it must mean he absolutely remembers having done so somewhere. "Furious confirmation" isn't equal, because it doesn't point one way or the other, does not consider odds, and venting is not necessarily fury. Therefore, considering the basis of the human mind, it is likely BT both remembered his action and simultaneously forgot the exact instance of where it happened: This is because the human memory is more prone to remembering actions and the feelings connected to it than it does locations, which are often of lesser importance.
Therefore, deriving from that.
BT is correct in that he must have vented about it. He must have actually done so, and slipped up in his post.
He misremembered the location of doing so, however.
Dormio entered my QT at the end of n2 and remained until the end of n3. He was originally kicked out at the end of d3 but he persuaded Shadoweh to let him back in. Then we both moved to the Conq QT, which he eventually said we because we were masons and share everything, hence when I joined he was brought along. It seems silly but I could just account that as Shadoweh shenanigans.
He claimed his powers disappear after 24 hours/one gameday.
Yet he managed to keep on to his powers for longer (sharing a Mason QT is definitely a power), and even managed to invade another QT (which would definitely count as a power because it interferes with Conqueror's power).
Yet rather than wonder if he might be lying about being a Universal Back-up, you assumed Shadoweh was just being silly by letting Dormio's Mason power last infinitely rather than the One Day stipulation for the other powers, as he claimed.
And that Bard was lying because he knew BT and Conq's roles and it would be much more likely he was a Rolec?op than actually what he claimed.
Oooo... kay... This is why confining discussion to a singular QT is a horrible idea.
Conq I still need your answers to determine if you are scum or not.
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He was originally kicked out at the end of d3 but he persuaded Shadoweh to let him back in.
Can you tell me who "kicked him out"? Did he claim that? Or did Shadoweh say that? (I'm curious how anyone can be kicked out of a QT as QuickTopic did not have that function last I checked.)
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50% of the time is how often he's a protective role, not how often he's venting.
And I still think that regardless of which alignment he is he most likely means his confirmation post. You're going logic a bit too hard on something emotion-based! (It's okay though because I don't disagree with the rest of the case)
Dormio's powers last one game-day, as in the duration of day 3, for example. I claimed for him, and any discrepencies are purely from me being stupid. When he claimed to me he said they wore off at the end of the next night phase or something. At one point I said 24 hours because I was not thinking, and that's entirely my fault (It wasn't me being lazy because that doesn't take any effort to type, it's just a flubup)
Conq has one big party QT and not multiple, which I thought I'd made clear by now, but clarification is always good in any case! Dormio did not leave after 24 hours, which is indeed actually weird, as is how he even got in there. Cong invited ME, and then dormio appeared because ????
Uh I mean one game day, not 24 hours, I already did it again. >:T
Apologies if you really wanted Conq to answer himself D: These should be perfectly fine for me to answer because I can see the discussion occuring in the QT before I had arrived, aka him saying he's bringing me into the QT that night. (and of course I can tell it's all in the same QT) It's more or less all set in stone already and there's more or less no way Conq's answers could differ from my relaying the information, apart from it being way slower.
Cut:Shadoweh stated that he was no longer allowed to post in the QT. She then retracted it. It was by her, so it wasn't Dormio lies.
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And that Bard was lying because he knew BT and Conq's roles and it would be much more likely he was a Rolec?op than actually what he claimed.
huh I never did this D: I DID mention your power was similar to a rolecop but it was just an observation and not actually related to me thinking you're scum, apart from not conflicting with it.
I also had retracted the "why did he guess universal backup immediately" thing because I noticed Dormio (attempting) to type it after I read it a few extra times
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Apologies if you really wanted Conq to answer himself D:
No it's cool, you regurgitating what Conqueror told you is cools, this way Scum!Conqueror can't possibly slip up claims about his role! \o/ When has Bardiche ever had issues with people answering for other people in a Mafia game when they're not 100% mod-confirmed sure of that person's alignment?
Sigh. I give up.
Conqueror, please still answer the questions I asked.
50% of the time is how often he's a protective role,
I know that, that's what I said. He's x role 50% of the time. (according to him)
You're going logic a bit too hard on something emotion-based!
There's no "logic too hard" for something that's grounded in logic. That's how the human mind works. It's a slip. This is what we look for in criminal investigations. This is what a prosecutor looks for in criminal testimonies. Slips. If someone makes a testimony that doesn't jive with reality, it means that there is some key point they differ on and often it is time and/or place.
Stop. Filling in. Shit. For. Other. People. In Mafia it is crucial you let people explain themselves rather than fill in the holes and decide for yourselves what they actually meant. This is actually true for all communication. It's a really annoying habit of yours in Mafia to cover for everyone else. Why the hell would you interfere with someone else's scumhunting? Do you take pleasure out of aggravating me? Am I just simply not allowed to get BT's explanation for the slip? Because hey, here's Serela, giving everyone excuses so they don't have to make up their own?
Seriously? Really?
... Like, really? Do you hate me or something?
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Also don't answer that. I'm pretty sure if I spoke my mind, I'd be permanently banned from the forum.
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It's partially because I think you're nitpicking over things that are either completely insubstantial and barking up the wrong tree, or things that would require Conq to be completely drunk to mess up.
He blatantly states in the QT he was inviting me. He's then very confused when Dormio comes in too. In what world is he going to MESS UP answering he invited me? How high does someone need to be to do that? (The question on single or multiple QTs is similar) I'm staying away from the part on the BT case, though.
Anyway this discussion is getting into heated territory so I'm going to drop it all if that's okay.
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ahahaha, beautiful. if this is a gambit between you and dormio well played, bardiche, but I don't think that's the case. in any case it saves me a lot of rereading.
quick answers, you people talk too much
How does your power work exactly? Multiple QTs or one collective QT?
Did Dormio invade any of them at any point, and if so, at what points did he do so? Did you invite him ever?
If you did not invite him, has he stayed in the QT for longer than a day?
1 collective QT
I only connected Serela, but Dormio came at the same time he did.
The QT is permanent until my death, so Serela BT and Dormio are all talking in there.
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bt never claimed in our qt.
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I only connected Serela, but Dormio came at the same time he did.
Like, exactly the same time, or some time after that?
Did Shadoweh confirm your target? Also, did you invite BT prior to or after Serela? (I think I know the answer to that one already, but this is to have all the facts straight and open right in front of us.)
if this is a gambit between you and dormio well played, bardiche
If it was, man, I think you can agree I'd deserve a win in that case.
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Like, exactly the same time, or some time after that?
Shadoweh gave me and Dormio the link inside our Mason QT.
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Like, exactly the same time, or some time after that?
Exactly at the same time, and Shadoweh announced it in the QT. BT was invited N1, BBM N2, Serela N3, SB N4.
BT, adding on to my query from earlier I want to know why you pushed Bard x me today despite a constant refrain in the later parts of the QT that Dormio is scum.
If it was, man, I think you can agree I'd deserve a win in that case.
I've seen crazier gambits that have lost! Although why did you automatically assume both your and Dormio's role couldn't exist in the game? One's a dead role backup, one's a live role backup. Also, what was your N4 action since you never claimed it iirc?
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dammit serela stop stealing my thunder
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ohh nvm I see you copy a power one night and use it the next.
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Actually, the above is no longer necessary. It's really simple by this point.
I think Conq invited BT before Dormio. Then Dormio came some time after it was confirmed Serela had access to the new QT.
If Dormio flips as a Scum role involving ganking QTs or otherwise intercepting communication, BT ratted out Conq's QT and is scum with Dormio. This is why BT presented a case of Bard + Conq scum.
If Dormio flips as a Scum WITHOUT a role that involves ganking QTs or otherwise, then Conqueror is Scum who gave Dormio the QT information.
I think it's extremely unlikely Conqueror is Scum, as I caught his role as inviting people into his QT and it makes no explanation for intercepting Serela's QT. It'd also be pointless, as opposed to QT-ganker Scum seeing an opportunity to use their role and using it. (It helps that the target is easily eased into.)
I therefore propose the last scum is BT. There is no way both Serela and I will survive to Day 6, as Serela is hard-confirmed Town, and I should be semi-confirmed Town due to Dormio counter-claim to me and turning this into an unnecessary 1v1. As Kiro would say, "This is Bard, it could be a gambit", but I highly doubt a Scum!Conq and/or Scum!BT would prefer my company over Serela's to pull that argument... so.
Therefore I Predict I will die tonight, with Serela having to pick between Conq and BT. And BT is the pick that nails in the coffin.
QED as far as I'm concerned.
##Vote: Dormio
Cut by Conq messing up the explanation I gave above. Whatever. I still doubt Conq's scum because that'd be impressive in its own way.
ohh nvm I see you copy a power one night and use it the next.
Actually N4 I checked out Serious Bananas. I derped up and had wanted to check Dormio but for some reason wrote Serious Bananas apparently. (Shadoweh confirmed I sent her SB so don't bother speculating about redirector)
I didn't think making a QT at this stage would be more useful than getting ammo to counter any fakeclaims during massclaiming stage. And I pretty much expected Serela to die because Confirmed Town due to masonry.
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Yes this is pretty much QED. I agree with Bard's assessment.
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Addendum: Serela said you discussed adding her with BT, so it's probable Dormio used his power to enter your QT at the same time you used your power to nab Serela into your QT.
Case should be solved, or at least acceptable enough to come to a verdict.
Conqueror scum makes no sense as his N1 target is demonstrably who it is claimed to be, BBM posting in QT can be looked for and there's no opportunity for Conq to have both dropped Dormio into another's QT and recruit people into his own QT.
Therefore.
BT must be scum.
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Serela x Bardiche Powerhour Votecount 5.4
My heart will die, my hesitation becoming a trigger
"Help me", I said to you, "Trust me", your shaking voice escapes out
"Shall we pray for a miracle? But tragedy is but an unending pulse"
Repeating in the darkness, Screams Pain Anger Spite
The chosen Blood Teller
Dormio (2) Mitt Sereley, Bardiche
Bardiche (1) Dormio
Not voting: Conqueror, BT
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.
There are 45 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130929T23&p0=250&msg=Mirai+Nikki+Day+5)
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Ah well, that sucks.
I wouldn't have made that mistake had I not been very rushed to make that post.
I blame real life, but what can you do?
~@big.plays.bigger.throws indeed
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Oh yeah.
##Unvote
##Vote Dormio
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hooray
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Also, my power role is as I claimed it, Bard.
I have none of that QT hijacking bullshit you're talking about.
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Who did you really post restrict then? SB?
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Why would I tell you?
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Also, my power role is as I claimed it, Bard.
I have none of that QT hijacking bullshit you're talking about.
Kind of weird then but okay.
I still think your buddy is BT.
@LastScum
Kill me tonight please.
So I don't have to make up my mind tomorrow.
And be free.
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Oh, actually, my PR is slightly different from what I claimed.
I convinced myself with my own fakeclaim. :derp:
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So mean, Dormio.
Cut by gj.
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I still think your buddy is BT.
My only buddy is the Serela I NTR'd.
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Honestly, Serela was ready to give you the win today already, so know that if I had self-hammered it would have been because I honestly believe you do somewhat deserve the win. :V
But hey, maybe BT/Conq can make it happen tomorrow! (Seriously, kill me tonight, I don't want to think about it!)
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Yeah, if only it weren't for this real life thing eating into my concentration!
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Ah well.
I was having quite a lot of fun, excluding the bullshit with NNR, this game so I don't really mind whichever way this goes.
PS. NNR you're still dumb.
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Also, we're approaching 1000 posts.
Lock the topic! Delay my inevitable victory!
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Tell your scumbuddy to give up so we can skip tomorrow and I can ask Kilga to re-lynch me from Rumia's Party Games!
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Day 5 End: YOU CAN'T ESCAPE DAY 5 DORMIO BG PLYS BGGR THRWS
'fck my lf cnt pst wth ths stpd rstrctn'
Everyone was confused on what to do, then someone had an idea!
"Hey Dormio what did you like about the Ragnarok server again?"
"HATS HATS HATS HATS HA-I mean... oh shit."
SUDDENLY DORMIO BECAME A FIVE-HUNDRED TON DINOSAUR!
"YOU CAN'T LYNCH ME! IM THE GREATESTTTTTAAAAUGHGHDSGUJSDHNG!"
You run around screaming until the Super Sentai show up to defeat Dormio with their Superzord.
"..Okay, this definitely didn't happen in the anime."
Dormio (3) Mitt Sereley, Bardiche, Dormio
Not voting: Conqueror, BT
Dormio was Lynched! He was..
Hello, Dormio. You are Ouji Kosaka from Mirai Nikki. KILL MAIN DESTROY. Your Apprentice Diary is the Neo Kosaka King Diary, which loudly proclaims all your future successes.
Your theme song is Me! Now? The Greatest!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j8jX3EaYzA&list=PL02D4515884702049)
Role: Mafia Conditional Vanilizor Backup Strongman
Abilities:
Basic Rights: You have 1 vote and the ability to speak during the day.
An Alliance (Passive) - NOPE
Kosaka PAWUNCH!! (Passive) - Your attacks are UNSTOPPABLE!!! Any player targetted by you for a kill will die. There are no exceptions.
Kosaka KICKU!!! (Active) - Each night you may attempt to punch the power out of a player by private messaging the ##KICK (player) command, as well as a description of a role. If your target has the role ability you describe, that power will be erased. (An example description of this power would be 'an ability that vanilizes another player.')
Kosaka Neo King Surprise!!! (Active) - Just because YOU!!! Are the greatest!!! Each night you may attempt to use a dead player's ability by private messaging the ##Target (player) command, as well as the ability you wish to use. You may not copy factional or killing abilities. You may only target a dead player once each.
You have 20 hours to PM me night actions.
Night End Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130928T23&p0=250&msg=MNM+Night+5)
~*~Second Thread Here~*~ (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15642.0.html)