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Title: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: ActionDan on August 16, 2013, 06:46:42 PM
RULES!

1.) Play nice; I don't particularly wield much of a heavy hand but there are definitely points where arguments turn into hostility and I will be warning people if that happens for extended periods of time.  Continued violations will result in punishments up to Modkills.
2.) Don't edit posts.  Punishments ensue immediately if you do, up to Modkill.
3.) Days are 72 hours.  I may vary it slightly to give a few more hours if it's convenient for me.
4.) Nights are 24 hours. 
5.) Communication between players outside of the game thread is prohibited unless it is permitted in your role pm.
6.) Any and all QTs between players that are allowed to communicate are open forever.  However dead people are not allowed to talk in them once pronounced dead. (spoiler: people may die this game).  All QTs, including Hydra QTs, CANNOT be quoted.  You may paraphrase however.  On that note you may NOT quote any Mod communications, including your role PM. paraphrasing is fine.
7.) Communication about anything game relevant in the game thread will not occur during night time, which is defined as the time after the day's lynch scene and before the next death scene.  People may talk about anything else though. 
8.) It takes the majority of players alive at any one particular day to achieve a lynch, otherwise, no lynch occurs. 
9.) I will announce the following at the start of the day if they are applicable: Pseudo-Mylo, Mylo, Pesudo-Lylo, Lylo.
10.) Please confirm your role by PMing me and NOT posting in thread   
11.) I will send Hydras their Role pms to each head.  I expect the dominant Hydra head to PM me confirming the role AND send me a link of their Hydra QT within 24 hours of game start
12.)  Prods will be issued for 24 hours of inactivity.
13.)  If either someone accumulates 4 prods in the game at any point or else does not respond to a prod within 24 hours I will find a replacement
14.) There are no jesters or cults in this game.
15.) There is at least one vanilla town in the game:

This is the sample role PM (vanilla town) along with the Town Win Condition:

Quote
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, playername.

You are a Vanilla.

You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: None
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: None

Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town

Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.

Good luck!

Feel free to PM me with any questions or concerns, and please also tell me if I make mistakes, because I most certainly will probabilistically.  Or if you like talking, that's ok too.

You can bold stuff in thread too if you want a response from me.  I might miss it otherwise.  best is to prefix it with "@MOD"

I like the color black.  but maybe I'll get creative and put votecounts in color sometimes.  You guys can communicate in any lovely color you wish, though it's probably easy to do in black most of the time.

That said I will be sending out Role Pms shortly.  REMEMBER TO CONFIRM BY PM.  DO NOT POST IN THREAD UNTIL I SAY SO.  Game will start when everyone has confirmed.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 16, 2013, 06:50:59 PM
Playerlist:

1.BT
2.CF7
3.Validon
4.Serela
5.SB
6.Conq + PX
7.NNR
8.Vhatlzotsuki
9.Shadoweh + Dormio

Roles Randomized using MafiaScum's randomizer tool.  The sending of them is being done NOW!!!!!!!! get excited!

All Role PMs sent!  Awaiting everyone's confirmation

Serela, a Bullet-proof Serial Killer, aligned with Him/Her/It-self, was lynched D1!
NNR, a Gunsmith, aligned with Town, was shot N1!
CF7, an Investigative Immune Serial Killer, aligned with Himself, was shot N1!
SB, an Overly Prescriptive Doctor, aligned with Town, was shot N1!
Polaris, an Investigative Immune Serial Killer, aligned with Himself, was lynched D2!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 17, 2013, 04:34:48 PM
There is one more player left to confirm.

If I do not get the confirmation within the next 3 hours after this time stamp I will replace them.

To that end if there is a volunteer if the need arises I would appreciate it if you made yourself known.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 17, 2013, 07:33:19 PM
CF7 needs a replacement

CF7 is staying in the game, and is now confirmed.

Yes that means everyone is confirmed! game will start shortly
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 18, 2013, 01:35:56 PM
You don't know the setup... Can you even know yourself?  Use your wits, out-guess the mod, race to the finish. 

Dormio you can post now Vountcount 1.0

BT (0) -
CF7 (0) -
Validon (0) -
Serela (0) -
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (0) -
NNR (0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (0) -
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) -  

Not Voting ⑨ - BT, CF7, Validon, Serela, SB, Conq/PX, NNR, Vhaltz/Mitsuki, Shadoweh/Dormio

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

Day 1 Deadline Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130821T0940&p0=179&msg=Day+1+Deadline#)

IT IS NOW DAY 1!  GO POST!  GO CRAZY!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 18, 2013, 01:45:48 PM
Go crazy? Don't mind if I do!
##Vote Shadoweh
THE VOICES IN MY HEAD MUST BE STOPPED.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 18, 2013, 01:46:43 PM
By the way, just a heads up for the rest of you so you don't get confused when this pops up later, both Shadoweh and I have been given permission to post in thread.

Yup. I have extended the same courtesy to all the other hydras as well
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: BT on August 18, 2013, 01:49:53 PM
Since I'm such a clever bastard there's no need to kill me this time. I mean look, I'm already flipped.  :fail:

##Vote Shadoweh

Will the Shadoweh head be taking all the votes this game?

Oh, Um, A vote for any player in the Hydra counts as a vote on the entire Hydra.  e.g., voting Shadoweh or voting Dormio = voting their hydra.  (obviously if you vote both of them it doesn't count as a double vote :V)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: BT on August 18, 2013, 01:53:42 PM
If all hydras are the same then there's gonna have to be a 'main' head for each else we'll get confused fast.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: BT on August 18, 2013, 01:54:34 PM
Or I'm an idiot and we can just ##vote <hydra>.

That works too
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Mitsuki on August 18, 2013, 02:07:33 PM
FINALLY

What if each head votes the other?

Well, let's check it out! \(owo)/

##Vote: Vhaltz
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Vhaltz on August 18, 2013, 02:10:45 PM
I already figure what will happen but I must comply  with milady's wishes because she puts on puppy eyes otherwise

##Vote: Mitsuki
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Mitsuki on August 18, 2013, 02:13:27 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, I FORGOT TO CHANGE MY AVATAR orz

Sssssssssssh, pretend we don't know what will happen!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Conqueror on August 18, 2013, 03:05:41 PM
##Vote Shadoweh (L-1!)

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ftr I doubt PX will want to post anyway because :effort:

Also, anyone abusing hydra dissonance will be lynched to the ground.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: BT on August 18, 2013, 03:14:13 PM
Just because he's in a hydra doesn't mean he doesn't have to post.

The fact that both heads are allowed to post should be used to its fullest. PX should show us a bit of his direct thoughts lest they all get restructured in the QT machine.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: BT on August 18, 2013, 03:16:17 PM
Wonder if Serela-kun is afraid of RVS.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Conqueror on August 18, 2013, 03:19:52 PM
He's welcome to post in the thread and basically make the thread our thoughts qt; it's just that I doubt he'll do it (no offense PX).
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Mitsuki on August 18, 2013, 03:21:40 PM
By the way, we won't be here for some (?) hours late D1 due to a trip but we'll be here at least two hours before the deadline.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Serela on August 18, 2013, 03:36:26 PM
Wonder if Serela-kun is afraid of RVS.
Shhhhh I was busy "oooooh"ing and "aaaaah"ing at the japanese HM tournament replays

Don't worry, I'm here to jokevote Shadowe-oh wait nevermind `-`

Oh wait hey that's not actually L-1 yet, let me help you with that.

##Vote Shadoweh

OFF TO WORK FOR EIGHT HOURS (I have the next two days off so there will be no excuses then)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: CF7 on August 18, 2013, 03:41:31 PM
##Vote Serela i just don't trus that face. Tho i don't understand this 1st day random voting.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 18, 2013, 03:44:48 PM
Obligatory Shadoweh L-1 Vountcount 1.1

BT (0) -
CF7 (0) -
Validon (0) -
Serela (1) - CF7
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (0) -
NNR (0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (1) - Vhaltz/Mitsuki
Shadoweh/Dormio (4) - Shadoweh/Dormio, BT, Conq/PX, Serela  

Shadoweh/Dormio are L-1!
Not Voting (3) - Validon, SB, NNR

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

Day 1 Deadline Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130821T0940&p0=179&msg=Day+1+Deadline#)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Vhaltz on August 18, 2013, 03:47:23 PM
I was expecting to be more of a spectator/helping hand for Mitsuki rather than an active hydra head, so I'm not sure if my head is properly geared to run headfirst into mafia now.

For now we've agreed to each post our thoughts on the game but try to reach a compromise in order to decide where our vote will go (one of us will be doing the voting, likely Mitsuki since she was supposed to be the posting head).
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: PX on August 18, 2013, 05:14:34 PM
Vote Shadoweh

Hammer
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Validon98 on August 18, 2013, 06:18:03 PM
##Vote: Serela

Because why not and because even though I wanted to joke vote Shadoweh, people put her at L-1 and lynching during RVS screams mislynch.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: SB on August 18, 2013, 06:44:41 PM
Doesn't really scream mislynch for definite. There's probably only 2 scum considering it's a 9p game, so only half of the people voting her would know if she was town or not at max.

##Vote: NNR
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 18, 2013, 08:14:39 PM
Hey, Val, was the explanation behind not lynching someone during RVS necessary? I don't think it was.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: SB on August 18, 2013, 08:46:51 PM
I hosted a game once where people turboed the guiltied doc D1 (when it wasn't actually a cop, they were just reaction testing) because they pushed him to L-1 and there was a mayor on the wagon. Not fond of the super turbo wagon but it's probably personal experience more than anything else.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 18, 2013, 09:20:38 PM
Shadoweh, you suck.
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
Really?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 18, 2013, 09:24:12 PM
BT, do you find what Validon did suspicious? If so, why?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 18, 2013, 09:42:48 PM
Really?
Really what?

BT, do you find what Validon did suspicious? If so, why?
The need to clarify things even when they're obvious.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 18, 2013, 09:45:09 PM
Revenge for Serela putting us at L-1 while I wait for Shadoweh to actually say something.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 18, 2013, 10:03:22 PM
##Vote: BT

Validon usually does that kind of thing, so I think it's weird you're qualifying that as suspicious.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 18, 2013, 11:16:35 PM
ftr I doubt PX will want to post anyway because :effort:
i can sub in for him :>
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 19, 2013, 12:43:21 AM
I'm sorry that my working all day stopped me from freaking out about being put at L-1 in the first 8 hours. (i regret it more because I didn't get to omgus Dormio) Im readin
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 19, 2013, 12:47:44 AM
I'm fine with PX not posting in the thread tbh, he posts better in Quicktopics then he posts in the real mafia.
CF7: You're doin it right at least! Get the kyuubey face! Uhm actually I know it's kind of early for this but Serela's post did sound like a fakey obligatory doin that thing that I would totes do as town and then going home, so I'm cool with Dormio's vote. I suggest Serela get home from work and scream for revenge
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 19, 2013, 01:00:53 AM
the utter lack of things happening disappoints me

Shadoweh i'unno what you want me to scream about, Dormio revengevoting me (as he stated) makes me giggle.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 02:29:28 AM
##unvote
##vote: serela
(L-1! for real this time)

how's this for something happening? lazy bum.

validon, why did you think shadoweh getting put at l-1 so early scream mislynch to you? why can't scum be put at l-1 early in the game (like huhwhat in disgaea mafia)?

ftr initially i kinda wanted to instavote validon for what i thought was a white knight of the shadoweh wagon but validon is prone to overstatement from past experience

shadoweh could you elaborate more on how serela's post sounds like something you would do as town im very interested
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 02:30:45 AM
i can sub in for him :>
dan can i expand my hydra to as many heads as possible in one slot and all posting in the thread
i mean this is an experimental game right
serious request btw, ive always wanted to do this

I won't stop it.  HW just has to confirm
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 02:32:08 AM
serela do you think there is anything interesting that's happened in the thread so far? maybe you could talk about that instead of talking about how nothing is going on
ill be y'alls bard for this game tyvy
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 02:33:55 AM
shadoweh could you elaborate more on how serela's post sounds like something you would do as town im very interested
I believe it's more about how my other half thinks Serela was trying too hard to pretend to be the airheaded townie that he is when he's actually town.
Note how she mentions that she's fine with keeping the vote I stuck onto Serela.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 19, 2013, 02:44:29 AM
I won't stop it.  HW just has to confirm
got my role, reading the thread now
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 02:48:54 AM
What.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 02:52:25 AM
it's okay it's effectively a two-headed hydra with px as an amused informed observer :V
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 19, 2013, 02:52:37 AM
Also, anyone abusing hydra dissonance will be lynched to the ground.
This seems like an easy way to drive lynches on policy rather than scum intent. By declaring your intention to do this at the start of the game it looks natural if you push a mislynch because of it in the future too. Don't like this.

##unvote
##vote: serela
(L-1! for real this time)

how's this for something happening? lazy bum.

validon, why did you think shadoweh getting put at l-1 so early scream mislynch to you? why can't scum be put at l-1 early in the game (like huhwhat in disgaea mafia)?

ftr initially i kinda wanted to instavote validon for what i thought was a white knight of the shadoweh wagon but validon is prone to overstatement from past experience
Why is Serela's post showing more scum intent than Validon? Validon's meta doesn't invalidate what he did being scummy and even if he's town voting him gives him more incentive to step it up. Meanwhile Serela's post is more lazy; there's no real intent there, it's just what somebody would say if they were bored of waiting for the game to get started. Voting him is essentially a park.

Pretty sure Conq is scum trying to look pro-town by posting a lot earlygame and pushing on the easy stuff. D1 WAGON CHOO CHOO ##Vote: Conqueror
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 19, 2013, 02:52:54 AM
I request this game's title is changed to You Don't Know Who Will Join Next! Mafia.
Dormio is reading my mind already. We were destined to be together! Serela maybe you could talk about Conq And Friends or V/M or Validon even ME because I'm amazing. You just want to comment and run, stop it. We might have something else to do besides hitting you though.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 19, 2013, 02:54:26 AM
Shadoweh, what do you think of Conqueror right now?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 02:54:57 AM
fuck, it's like angel beats all over again and my lover is trying to lynch me
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 02:57:00 AM
Also, anyone abusing hydra dissonance will be lynched to the ground.
##Unvote
##Vote huhwhat

This looks like a play to drive attention away from the rest of the game and onto himself.
Since we clearly aren't meant to take self-votes seriously, it's a waste of time that does nothing but attempt to extend the RVS.
We all know that HW also loves his refuge in audacity, which he does by citing Conq stating that those abusing hydra dissonance will be lynched before voting for his other hydra half.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 19, 2013, 02:58:09 AM
serela do you think there is anything interesting that's happened in the thread so far? maybe you could talk about that instead of talking about how nothing is going on
ill be y'alls bard for this game tyvy
not really, there's only a few posts that are scraping out of RVS stage and maybe a third of them are from the same playerslot (Dorm/Shad, whom I'm sure will continue to be sources of giggles for me as time progresses)

there's some stuff towards BT I suppose, but he hasn't responded yet

disliking ed1 is part of my meta so if you want to continue talking about how I'm trying to pretend to act like my townself here you go, the issue is it's true in all alignments (I guess as scum I usually almost entirely stop talking after a little bit though)

Also it looks like we have a real hydra going on, THUMBS UP (oh wow cut by three people) Hi Shadoweh you make me giggle. I'm sorry HW but it's hard for me to react to Validon's post negatively when it makes sense from Validon as any alignment, which extends to giving people with a similar reaction another non-negative reaction. See this is why I dislike ed1, I can't hold interest in this stuff :V Your post is pretty coolbeans in a town way though and also the kind of thing I was hoping to see when I got back from work, suddenly even more approval of superhydratimes (wow I got cut three more times I'm just gonna post)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 02:59:03 AM
So, Serela, do you actually plan to like, you know, contribute anything anytime soon?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 19, 2013, 02:59:11 AM
Oh wait fuck, somebody queried me something that heavily implies information about their alignment. Will need to sub out until they die.

 :fail:
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 19, 2013, 02:59:25 AM
wait a second

is hw and conq in the same hydra

oops
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 02:59:54 AM
What.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:00:08 AM
uhhh actually huhwhat is replacing back out oops >_>

anyway
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 19, 2013, 03:01:14 AM
Only 9 players? I guess it's not a surprise with all these hydras. This is going to get confusing quick with all these heads posting.

Serela obviously wasn't intending to myslynch during RVS, and Validon's reaction seems a little suspicious as trying to rationalize her vote as exactly that.

##Vote: Validon

##FoS on Mitsuki for giving Validon a meta clear as well.

(This post is of course preceeded by 7 new posts, but I don't have anything cool to comment on them)
(Followed by 4 more posts, but it's just hydra confusion which is silly)
(and 2 more posts)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 19, 2013, 03:02:05 AM
Oh wait fuck, somebody queried me something that heavily implies information about their alignment. Will need to sub out until they die.
Role, not alignment, but yeah.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 03:05:24 AM
Serela obviously wasn't intending to myslynch during RVS, and Validon's reaction seems a little suspicious as trying to rationalize her vote as exactly that.
What do you think about the theory that Serela was aiming for that line of thinking.
Something silly so that he can get away with not contributing for a while?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:08:52 AM
eh but he's not really doing that now is he? although serela why are you still voting shadoweh when you apparently have some stuff towards bt? just because he hasnt responded to mitsuki (im assuming) doesnt mean you dont have to say anything about it if apparently you're looking in that direction. so could you talk a little about that

anyway
##unvote
##vote: validon
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 19, 2013, 03:10:38 AM
I was planning on going "lol bye until tomorrow #screwed1" but on second thought, getting on the silly Validon wagon is enough to warrant something as minor as getting off of my jokevote.

##Vote NNR

(the validon wagon is also good enough for ed1 shenanigans I guess, but getting into a logic circle would be retarded this early in the game nor would I want to lynch him at this point at all)

Conq th-oh he's voting validon too now. I'm too tired for this. :T Bedtime.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 03:12:08 AM
eh but he's not really doing that now is he?
He was and still is being pretty much a non-contributor though.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 19, 2013, 03:12:19 AM
What do you think about the theory that Serela was aiming for that line of thinking.
Something silly so that he can get away with not contributing for a while?
RVS, and I think he was going to get away with not contributing for awhile, considering he claimed he would be gone for 8 hours for a legitimate reason. At worst Serela's vote could have been a reaction test for Shadoweh. Her post showed no real intent to lynch.

I also don't like Conq's meta clear of Validon, which I noticed as well.

Yoshino's vote on Serela looks like an easy hop since it lacks reasoning, if it was serious.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 19, 2013, 03:15:10 AM
I'm mostly planning to say quiet and chirp in when Dormio is frustrated, he seems to have this game UNDER WRAPS.
I wob't give Validon a meta clear until he's posted at least seven times and told me how weird I am.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 03:18:06 AM
Yoshino's vote on Serela looks like an easy hop since it lacks reasoning, if it was serious.
Uhm actually I know it's kind of early for this but Serela's post did sound like a fakey obligatory doin that thing that I would totes do as town and then going home, so I'm cool with Dormio's vote. I suggest Serela get home from work and scream for revenge
Coupled with Serela's next posts being a complaint about nothing happening (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009376.html#msg1009376), continued chatter about there being nothing to talk about yet (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009433.html#msg1009433), and something that I'm not really sure what to call. A chainsaw defense of sorts maybe? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009446.html#msg1009446)
... I don't think I was really lacking reasoning.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:18:30 AM
wait wait what

Serela obviously wasn't intending to myslynch during RVS, and Validon's reaction seems a little suspicious as trying to rationalize her vote as exactly that.

##Vote: Validon

actually fuckit, nnr is just trying to misrep validon given that's not how validon rationalized the serela vote at all. like how could you get that from reading his post?

##unvote
##vote nnr


dismissing shadormio's vote on serela as an easy hop without reasoning is also bad, because even if they didn't give reasoning (they did) what are they going to do, keep voting themselves?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 03:19:16 AM
I'm mostly planning to say quiet and chirp in when Dormio is frustrated, he seems to have this game UNDER WRAPS.
I wob't give Validon a meta clear until he's posted at least seven times and told me how weird I am.
You're supposed to be my other half, not some decoration that I keep around.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:21:05 AM
dormio it's not a chainsaw defense unless validon is scum
do you think validon is scum?

also at this point serela has put out more content than half the game tbh, even if he's full of fluff
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 03:24:26 AM
dormio it's not a chainsaw defense unless validon is scum
do you think validon is scum?
I don't know what to call it. White knighting then? I don't really care.

also at this point serela has put out more content than half the game tbh, even if he's full of fluff
The fact that it's fluff, pretending to look active, etc.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:29:36 AM
eh

do you disagree with the statement that serela is generally fluffy as both alignments (and actually less likely to be fluffy as scum? >_>)

i guess im saying here that fluffiness is sorta a null tell with serela, ya gotta look at what's in the fluff

shadoweh what is your expert opinion on serela taking into account his latest posts?

Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 19, 2013, 03:29:43 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Nekonekorex

For probably being the guy who messaged huh what you dolt
FoS is so weak. Also you're deriding my own reasoning and that's not cool.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 19, 2013, 03:31:12 AM
wait wait what

actually fuckit, nnr is just trying to misrep validon given that's not how validon rationalized the serela vote at all. like how could you get that from reading his post?

##unvote
##vote nnr
I'm reading Validon's post as Serela is trying to encourage a mislynch with the vote and lynching during RVS screams mislynch. Am I reading it wrong or something?

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dismissing shadormio's vote on serela as an easy hop without reasoning is also bad, because even if they didn't give reasoning (they did) what are they going to do, keep voting themselves?
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Shadoweh, you suck.
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
Really?
I don't see a reasoning until later, unless you mean Shadoweh's reasoning, which I wouldn't have noticed because :hydra:
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 19, 2013, 03:32:03 AM
This is why I don't like all-heads posting.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 03:32:35 AM
Revenge for Serela putting us at L-1 while I wait for Shadoweh to actually say something.
:derp:
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 19, 2013, 03:32:59 AM
Conq: I don't remember him treating everything happening like a checklist when he's town. It's like, look an event, address it, now bed!
Neko, we have been talking about this hydra since literally forever and made a big deal about it in the signups, are you claiming you forgot we're the same person?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 19, 2013, 03:33:09 AM
Addendum: If you're able to post and play and vote you might as well have just taken a separate player slot.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:33:31 AM
I'm reading Validon's post as Serela is trying to encourage a mislynch with the vote and lynching during RVS screams mislynch. Am I reading it wrong or something?
okay
##Vote: Serela

Because why not and because even though I wanted to joke vote Shadoweh, people put her at L-1 and lynching during RVS screams mislynch.
walk me through how you got that given that this is the post in question

and yes i was referring to shadoweh's reasoning
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 19, 2013, 03:35:31 AM
:derp:
So it's just a jokevote then?

@Conq
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people [Serela] put her at L-1 and lynching during RVS screams mislynch.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 19, 2013, 03:36:24 AM
@Shadoweh: Yes.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 19, 2013, 03:37:08 AM
>Implying I read the Signups thread
in any case
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 03:37:25 AM
@75:

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......
.........
Really?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:38:19 AM
actually hmmm
nvm i see how you could read it that way; depends on how you arrange the clauses although i still kinda want you to explain how you got to your conclusion

--cut yeah that's what i figured but he doesn't actually say that does he? i read people as "the group of people voting for shadoweh"

##unvote
##vote validon

for now; would like a response from him to my earlier question, especially now that i remember that one of the people bringing shadoweh up to l-1 was shadoweh herself so validon's comment seems like a twisting of the situation

Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 03:39:54 AM
So it's just a jokevote then?
Notice how I said that I was waiting for Shadoweh to post.
Notice how in Shadoweh's next post she provides the reasoning.
I think these two facts are related somehow.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:43:29 AM
Hey, Val, was the explanation behind not lynching someone during RVS necessary? I don't think it was.
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Quote from: Mitsuki on Today at 05:24:12 pm
BT, do you find what Validon did suspicious? If so, why?
The need to clarify things even when they're obvious.

although now that im looking at page one again im curious about something
bt, why did you see validon's vote as a clarification of "something obvious" rather than part of his reasoning for avoiding the wagon or for voting for serela? it's a weird part of his statement to latch on to.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 19, 2013, 03:47:10 AM
actually hmmm
nvm i see how you could read it that way; depends on how you arrange the clauses although i still kinda want you to explain how you got to your conclusion

--cut yeah that's what i figured but he doesn't actually say that does he? i read people as "the group of people voting for shadoweh"
But he's voting for Serela, so I take it as implying Serela's vote is the main problem, and is also encouraging an RVS mislynch.
I could see now how it could be interpreted differently now, though.

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Notice how I said that I was waiting for Shadoweh to post.
Notice how in Shadoweh's next post she provides the reasoning.
I think these two facts are related somehow.
Those posts were all on the next page, which made it harder to connect *shrug*
I'll drop that line of suspicion for now if it helps.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 03:52:43 AM
Dan can we have a votecount yet?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 19, 2013, 04:16:32 AM
Because you can ask anytime for a Vountcount 1.2

BT (1) - Vhaltz/Mitsuki
CF7 (0) -
Validon (2) - NNR, Conq/PX
Serela (2) - CF7, Validon
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (0) - 
NNR (3) - SB, Serela, Shadoweh/Dormio
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (0) -
Shadoweh/Dormio (1) - BT  

NNR is at L-2!
Not Voting (0)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

Day 1 Deadline Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130821T0940&p0=179&msg=Day+1+Deadline#)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 04:57:12 AM
bt, why did you see validon's vote as a clarification of "something obvious" rather than part of his reasoning for avoiding the wagon or for voting for serela? it's a weird part of his statement to latch on to.
Because that part is completely useless if he just wants to randvote Serela. "Oh man I didn't want to lynch someone during RVS because it's RVS and it's the same as randvoting [i'm asuming this is what he meant with bringing up "mislynch"] everyone must know." The impulse to give the town as much input as possible without considering if that input is needed is a scum impulse as it'd be a shame to throw away a very very valuable RVS thought process (not really).

But that's a good point:
ftr initially i kinda wanted to instavote validon for what i thought was a white knight of the shadoweh wagon but validon is prone to overstatement from past experience
>implying not wanting to lynch someone during RVS is white knighting
for now; would like a response from him to my earlier question, especially now that i remember that one of the people bringing shadoweh up to l-1 was shadoweh herself so validon's comment seems like a twisting of the situation
>implying there was an objective behind this "twisting of the situation" outside of, oh, not lynching someone during RVS

So really I should be asking you this and not the other way around.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 04:58:04 AM
##Vote: BT

Validon usually does that kind of thing, so I think it's weird you're qualifying that as suspicious.
Did he open last game this way? "That kind of thing" is conveniently vague.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 04:59:27 AM
I mean I was kind of expecting a response from Validon until I returned but I guess not.

(I see your online time cutie.)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 05:03:24 AM
NNR why'd you qualify Dormio's early Serela vote as a votehop when he basically qualified it as RVS here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009309.html#msg1009309)?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 05:16:22 AM
ALSO Conq it's interesting that you go from "but validon is prone to overstatement from past experience" to voting him anyway. If you thought he was worth poking at this stage regardless I don't see the point of that statement.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 05:43:10 AM
Because that part is completely useless if he just wants to randvote Serela. "Oh man I didn't want to lynch someone during RVS because it's RVS and it's the same as randvoting [i'm asuming this is what he meant with bringing up "mislynch"] everyone must know." The impulse to give the town as much input as possible without considering if that input is needed is a scum impulse as it'd be a shame to throw away a very very valuable RVS thought process (not really).

>implying not wanting to lynch someone during RVS is white knightingduring RVS

>implying there was an objective behind this "twisting of the situation" outside of, oh, not lynching someone

1) i have never seen "mislynch" used outside of the context of lynching town, so validon isn't saying "GUYS LET'S NOT RVS LYNCH" he's saying "GUYS THIS IS SUCH A MISLYNCH"
it's the fact that he said it "screams mislynch"; that's what makes it whiteknighting, not that he doesn't want to lynch someone in rvs. this leads in to what i said about validon's statement "twisting the situation": given that shadoweh was a self-voter on the L-1 wagon it's hardly as scum-motivated as validon is making it out to be.

2) also, the impulse to give town as much input as possible without considering if that input is needed is definitely a town impulse, not a scum impulse. townies dont care how they look and they're trying to get all the information out there as possible. scum on the other hand are more interested in controlling the flow of information they lead, so i dont know on what basis you're making this statement


ALSO Conq it's interesting that you go from "but validon is prone to overstatement from past experience" to voting him anyway. If you thought he was worth poking at this stage regardless I don't see the point of that statement.
when i made that statement i wanted to vote serela and the situation was completely different from when i made my validon vote later? serela had posted some stuff and i decided that overstatement would translate to both alignments; i wanted him to explain further what he meant by his statement.


also, i cant tell if you're defending or attacking validon in your replies to me; what gives? don't like the way you're twisting my statements on validon. what are you trying to ask me again?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 05:46:58 AM
also, bt, im interested in seeing where your vote actually stands given that you're still voting your jokevote (in case you forgot)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 06:03:59 AM
I think my interpretation of 1) stems from the belief that people would stray from the idea of lynching someone during RVS to the point of using wonky terminology. ("mislynch")

As for 2), no, maybe for "information" but not "details". Val's input there wasn't needed at all. And the basis for this statement is that this is something I do as scum myself - incorporating some thought process in posts so that they seem genuine in spite of some other bullshit I might pull.

when i made that statement i wanted to vote serela and the situation was completely different from when i made my validon vote later? serela had posted some stuff and i decided that overstatement would translate to both alignments; i wanted him to explain further what he meant by his statement.
I argue that the situation couldn't have changed much, though I can't refute any of this so whatever. At least it wasn't in no way "completely different". <_<

also, i cant tell if you're defending or attacking validon in your replies to me; what gives? don't like the way you're twisting my statements on validon. what are you trying to ask me again?
What am I twisting and how? As for what I was asking, I guess I just wanted an elaboration on why you thought to vote Validon off of that.

I'm pressing Validon over what I said but I'm at liberty to poke at others' reasonings as well if I see the need to.

(i haven't forgotten about my vote)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 06:10:09 AM
Actually I was holding off because I wanted Val's reply yet (didn't want to be TOO direct) but derp we're already at a voting stage.

##Vote Valtzotsuki

I think this avenue interests me the most actually. Even if I only gave a full proper explanation recently, the wide clear of any early Val presses + vote for said press leaves a pretty bad taste.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 06:15:27 AM
`_`
Eh, we probably could have saved a lot of time here if we had just waited for Validon to explain what he actually meant by his statement, but posters gotta post.
I'll just say that your interpretation kinda feels like a stretch but it's not like I can refute it.

re: 2) I don't think the distinction between information and details is that important for the average mafia player? This probably boils down to playstyle honestly, because I'm more likely to omit details of thought process when I'm scum, and I can think of several other players who are similar.

The part of the situation that changed was Serela posting more. I guess I kinda overstated it, but I got good enough feels off his posting that I didn't want to be voting him anymore. I also rethought my reasons for avoiding a Validon vote earlier and decided they weren't valid.

The twisting refers to the ">implying" statements because I was in no way implying anything like you said what I was implying!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 06:26:51 AM
Eh, we probably could have saved a lot of time here if we had just waited for Validon to explain what he actually meant by his statement, but posters gotta post.
I prefer talk. Plus I gave up on waiting for him just now.

My "interpretation" is basically "I don't think that part of the post is bad". I don't think any of our interpretations are a stretch at this point.

RE implying: Bad wording then? Twas basically a "this is reality, this is what you're saying, compare" thing.

~Incoming 8 hours of phoneposting.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 19, 2013, 06:50:43 AM
Um... Morning. Reading thread. All your hydra shenanigans give me a headache.
Anyway. Judging from behaviour i'm slowly inching towards voting Conq/PX. Serela seems like a townie, but not sure yet. Posting pretty  random things and all that. Shadormio votiong NNR is a bit weird to me. Practically baseless.
Ugh... I'll probably post something more coherent after a cup of coffee or 2.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 19, 2013, 08:19:46 AM
Hummmm. To my previous post.
After reading Conq/BT i'm actually thinking that Conq is a townie. Not Sure about BT. And i still think that Shadoweh/Dormio is scum.
##Unvote for now.
Also would like to see that SB and Validon has to say.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 19, 2013, 10:37:12 AM
You think we're scum? O_o since when? I don't think voting nnr is baseless. Would really like Validon to post though so he can be super obvious town. Then we can lynch nnr and not conq at all.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 19, 2013, 10:51:50 AM
##FoS on Mitsuki for giving Validon a meta clear as well.

Actually I was holding off because I wanted Val's reply yet (didn't want to be TOO direct) but derp we're already at a voting stage.

##Vote Valtzotsuki

I think this avenue interests me the most actually. Even if I only gave a full proper explanation recently, the wide clear of any early Val presses + vote for said press leaves a pretty bad taste.

Ok, I'll quote my original post. Tell me where the "clear" is:

##Vote: BT

Validon usually does that kind of thing, so I think it's weird you're qualifying that as suspicious.

"Validon usually does that kind of thing". I didn't say "as town". I never implied it either. You're just misunderstanding me (?_u)
What I meant is that if Validon usually does x thing we can't say whether it's coming from one alignment or the other. I said "Validon should still be neutral", not "lol he's town". I didn't even try to say something about Validon's alignment.


Did he open last game this way? "That kind of thing" is conveniently vague.

Well, you said that what you thought suspicious was "clarifying unnecessary things" before my post and my post made it obvious that's what I was talking about, so I never intended to be vague. I just didn't explain it all again on my post.
In any case, Validon usually clarifies unnecessary things. I think he does that because those are not obvious for him. I think that's null.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 19, 2013, 11:53:32 AM
The whole BT/Conq slapfight is weird because there seems to be intent on both sides to keep the slapfight to a minimum, which means the slapfight quickly died down into a compromise to stop hitting each other. This makes it easy to miss that Conqueror never properly addressed at least one of BT's point in #85 regarding this post.

##unvote
##vote validon

for now; would like a response from him to my earlier question, especially now that i remember that one of the people bringing shadoweh up to l-1 was shadoweh herself so validon's comment seems like a twisting of the situation

His justification for the Validon vote as of -after slapfight- boils down to Validon's choice in words regarding the "screams mislynch" part of his post. He says this is scummy because it white knights Shadoweh's wagon (scum want to look town by telling people not to lynch a townie, in case clairification is necessary). This reasoning is clearly not the same as what we see above, and in general this overall view of Validon from his PoV doesn't tie in well with the way his posts on Validon have progressed in the course of the game so far.

In #36 he asks why Shadoweh must be a mislynch since scum can get to L-1 in ED1 too, waves off his suspicion with meta, then proceeds to vote for him in #57 like it's the most logical thing to do with no justification or reasoning whatsoever despite his earlier use of meta (this doesn't read like town!Conq). After an issue with NNR he proceeds to revote Validon again in #79 calling for an answer to a question that can't possibly give a satisfying answer while mentioning that Validon intended to twist the situation because the Shadoweh lynch wasn't happening due to herself being a voter in the wagon. This reads like Conq is trying to revote Validon again but he can't do it without saying something after voting him on empty reasoning once before, so he makes up whatever making him sound scummy. The way he worded Validon "twisting the situation" blowing things out of proportion is what reads scummiest and what set off my alarms.

Conq's logic generally flows very well and you can see what's going on in his head at the time, but the way he's proceeded around the Validon case this time is just ??? in many ways. He says he rethinked his use of Validon meta which lead him to vote Validon for the white knighting but we never see that mentioned anywhere in the thread until BT points out his inconsistencies, which makes it an a posteriori fix to appease BT that I'm not buying (his whole reasoning on Validon seems to have changed along the way of the slapfight)

So ##FoS: Conq. Vote will come from Mitsuki if she still agrees after she's done rereading.

I have no comments on anyone else other than I kinda gut-like Dormio and Shadoweh. Probably because it seems like Dormio is putting in some effort this time due to rabu rabu incentive.

PD: I probably won't be popping in too often so that Mitsuki gets more mafia experience, just a heads up.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 19, 2013, 11:54:48 AM
:words:
I tried to keep things short this time I swear
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 12:01:30 PM
I tried mafiaphoning but it's really hard - I keep forgetting how I built the arguments in my head by the time I'm done with a few words. :& I'll be home in 4 hours.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 19, 2013, 12:40:38 PM
You think we're scum? O_o since when? I don't think voting nnr is baseless. Would really like Validon to post though so he can be super obvious town. Then we can lynch nnr and not conq at all.
Mainly your NNR vote.

Also can someone enlighten me what FoS stands for?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 12:45:08 PM
Finger of Suspicion, or something to that effect.
Basically I'm watching you.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 19, 2013, 12:50:01 PM
On NNR:

First of all, were you the one to talk to HW about your role? wwwwwwwwwww

Second, I think people are voting him because he's not playing well and misunderstanding rather than doing scummy things. At least Shadormio's vote and Conqueror's were based on that.
There are also Serela's vote which has no reasoning to it at all and SB's which is just an RVS vote (hi SB, we haven't forgotten about your existence!). Is there any good vote on NNR yet?
I'm reading the fact he's being confused by hydras as genuine. I think he's trying to rationalize his confusion about Shadoweh and Dormio saying that hydras are at fault. In my opinion, there are more chances of that coming from town than from scum; scum would probably try to know better and I expect a different kind of reaction.

I'm not clearing him, but he leans to town in my opinion and on the other hand I don't think any of the votes on him are valid.


On Conqueror/PX/HW:

I kind of agree with HW's (even if he was part of the hydra) and Dormio's reasoning. (#43 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009427.html#msg1009427) and #47 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009432.html#msg1009432)). I also agree with Vhaltz's last post now that he's written it, but I think Conqueror is being more lazy than last game here too so that might also explain part of it.
Despite that, there's the fact that Conqueror keeps jumping from vote to vote and that seems unnatural to me, even if he could be doing that to move the game he just doesn't seem to be interested in that. He's just messing up too much.
Additionally, how he dropped his NNR vote is very scummy from my point of view. There was this argument going on about a misunderstanding between NNR and people suspecting him. After a few posts Conqueror understood how NNR interpreted Validon's post, but he didn't drop his reasoning:

actually hmmm
nvm i see how you could read it that way; depends on how you arrange the clauses although i still kinda want you to explain how you got to your conclusion

--cut yeah that's what i figured but he doesn't actually say that does he? i read people as "the group of people voting for shadoweh"

##unvote
##vote validon

for now; would like a response from him to my earlier question, especially now that i remember that one of the people bringing shadoweh up to l-1 was shadoweh herself so validon's comment seems like a twisting of the situation

Here Conqueror says he understands NNR's logic, but gives the fact that NNR wasn't the one to explicitly state it as a valid point to keep suspecting him. Why? You're supposed to understand the reasoning, and you don't say you find it suspicious. Even if you cover it with words your suspicions are just based on the fact that he was misunderstood. However, how is being misunderstood scummy? It doesn't seem like you're saying that explanation was made up later, which clearly looks like something very unlikely.
I think that's quite an unnatural train of thought and something very convenient for scum to do. It lets you give up the vote for a better wagon but you can always go back to voting NNR if people vote him again (and I think he's an easy target).

##Unvote
##Vote: Conqueror/PX
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 19, 2013, 03:11:35 PM

V-V-V-V-Vountcount 1.3

BT (0) -
CF7 (0) -
Validon (2) - NNR, Conq/PX
Serela (1) - Validon
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (1) -  Vhaltz/Mitsuki
NNR (3) - SB, Serela, Shadoweh/Dormio
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (1) - BT
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) -   

NNR is at L-2!
Not Voting (1) - CF7

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

Day 1 Deadline Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130821T0940&p0=179&msg=Day+1+Deadline#)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:30:55 PM
This reasoning is clearly not the same as what we see above, and in general this overall view of Validon from his PoV doesn't tie in well with the way his posts on Validon have progressed in the course of the game so far.

...

Conq's logic generally flows very well and you can see what's going on in his head at the time, but the way he's proceeded around the Validon case this time is just ??? in many ways. He says he rethinked his use of Validon meta which lead him to vote Validon for the white knighting but we never see that mentioned anywhere in the thread until BT points out his inconsistencies, which makes it an a posteriori fix to appease BT that I'm not buying (his whole reasoning on Validon seems to have changed along the way of the slapfight)

Explain how my reasoning clearly isn't the same, because I have no idea what you're talking about. All I did while talking to BT was clarify my reasoning, but it was always there and you can see it if you were reading my posts?

In #36 he asks why Shadoweh must be a mislynch since scum can get to L-1 in ED1 too, waves off his suspicion with meta, then proceeds to vote for him in #57 like it's the most logical thing to do with no justification or reasoning whatsoever despite his earlier use of meta (this doesn't read like town!Conq). After an issue with NNR he proceeds to revote Validon again in #79 calling for an answer to a question that can't possibly give a satisfying answer while mentioning that Validon intended to twist the situation because the Shadoweh lynch wasn't happening due to herself being a voter in the wagon.

How is this not town!Conq? I thought Serela and Validon were suspicious. I gave Validon a slight clear off meta and voted for Serela instead. Serela posted better, so I switched to Validon and decided that ~*meta*~ was a pretty bad reason not to vote for him anyway. Dude, just look at what I did with Serela in the last game; I pulled up a lot of meta on his claim being town before ignoring it and voting him for his content instead. You just saw this in the previous game; so I want to know from you why ignoring meta is scummy.

Why can't Validon give a satisfying answer to my question? That just sounds like completely bull and an effort to discredit what I'm asking him. Validon twisting the situation is an accurate statement given he used the word mislynch to describe a frigging RVS wagon with a self-voter on it. So yes, I want to hear from Validon himself why he decided to talk about it in that way.

This reads like Conq is trying to revote Validon again but he can't do it without saying something after voting him on empty reasoning once before, so he makes up whatever making him sound scummy. The way he worded Validon "twisting the situation" blowing things out of proportion is what reads scummiest and what set off my alarms.
Cool, how am I making stuff up? Looks like you're ignoring everything I said just to brush it off as "making something up."
Responding to Mitsuki in a bit.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 19, 2013, 03:41:15 PM
Well, NNR doesn't seem to be a scum to me, so i don't want to jump on NNR wagon. As for the rest, i'm kind of undecided. Will wait with my vote for a bit more.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:46:56 PM
Before I respond to the rest of Mitsuki's post, I want to point out the time stamps between my posts which Vhaltz is conveniently ignoring. The initial vote on Serela, switch to Vhaltz, brief segue on NNR and switch back to Validon ALL HAPPENED WITHIN AN HOUR. I didn't jump from vote to vote last game because I was only here for a few hours out of the day, but when I was here I was pretty liberal in switching my vote as well (see the BBM/Serela/Shadoweh votemess). Vhaltz and Mitsuki were there when this was happening so they have no excuse for not knowing this and actually pushing my voteswitching as a reason I'm scummy.

Yes, I switch my votes often because I'm constantly rethinking my stances on people with or without new information in the thread. I could do this all in the comfort of a private QT but the way I scumhunt is by interacting and conversing with people and getting their reactions on stuff that is said in the thread. That's how I move the game along; by posting my opinion, engaging others in conversation, and asking for their opinions.

So Mitsuki, how am I not interested in moving the game along? How is "messing up too much" scummy in any way?

Additionally, how he dropped his NNR vote is very scummy from my point of view. There was this argument going on about a misunderstanding between NNR and people suspecting him. After a few posts Conqueror understood how NNR interpreted Validon's post, but he didn't drop his reasoning:
I don't see how you can say that I "understood how NNR interpreted Validon's post" and yet I didn't drop my reasoning. I mean, the latter pretty much follows from the former. But I'll play along.
Here Conqueror says he understands NNR's logic, but gives the fact that NNR wasn't the one to explicitly state it as a valid point to keep suspecting him. Why? You're supposed to understand the reasoning, and you don't say you find it suspicious. Even if you cover it with words your suspicions are just based on the fact that he was misunderstood. However, how is being misunderstood scummy? It doesn't seem like you're saying that explanation was made up later, which clearly looks like something very unlikely.
I think that's quite an unnatural train of thought and something very convenient for scum to do. It lets you give up the vote for a better wagon but you can always go back to voting NNR if people vote him again (and I think he's an easy target).
Did I ever say or indicated that I suspected NNR because he didn't explicitly state the reasoning that I thought he might have been following? No. Why are you putting words in my mouth? I dropped NNR from that unvote and think he's leaning town. This entire vote on me is based on something that didn't happen.

Additionally, the person who is suspecting someone because they didn't explicitly state reasoning on a vote is...you.

Vhaltz/Mitsuki's reasoning is kinda funky, want to see more from them.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:51:53 PM
Now that I think about it I think Vhaltz/Mitsuki is just trying to cherry pick my posts apart so that they can find some way to attack me. Okay, let's dance.

##Unvote
##Vote Vhaltz/Mitsuki

Explain your vote on me in a way that actually makes sense, please.

Also, Validon has made one friggin post. How much reasoning are you even expecting for a Validon vote? The fact that you're ignoring this and calling people out for flimsy reasoning for a one-line-one-post poster is pretty suspicious in itself. Essentially it boils down to a gut vote, but I tried to explain my gut in a way that makes sense to other people. And this is scummy?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 19, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Gotta go in 5 min, quick reply to the important point.

well I got cut by two more posts so w/e we'll read and reply when we get back.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 03:54:04 PM
Well, NNR doesn't seem to be a scum to me, so i don't want to jump on NNR wagon. As for the rest, i'm kind of undecided. Will wait with my vote for a bit more.
That's fine. There's no need to be timid with your vote and opinions though. The biggest weapon of a townie is the control of the lynch, and if a townie's vote isn't in play that's more power to the scum.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: SB on August 19, 2013, 03:54:31 PM
This post has been made 80% on an iPod. fml

BT finding Validon suspicious but not voting for him is not good. I also agree with BT wrt to Conq changing his Validon opinion but the aforementioned RVS vote staying on Validon for so long until prodded is kind of sketchy, especially when he implies he isn't gonna change it at first but then switches a few minutes later.

Can see where VM is coming from wrt Validon does this kind of thing normally but we saw how townreading people off of meta worked last game, right? >.> This goes for Conq too, but VM defending Validon from it by attacking BT makes it even worse.

Prims voting Conq in a post that actually at a skim doesn't seem bad is kind of scummy since it just lets them keep their vote off of anyone of actual value and then adapt their scumreads later.

Dormio, why would would Prims as scum try and draw attention away from the rest of the game and to himself? Agree with the rest of that post though.

Serela is bad for making a sizable post that boils down to "BT is interesting" but not saying anything because he hasn't responded, which is lame, and outing a townread on Shadoweh for some reason that he hasn't even explained. Also dislike Serela's vote on NNR because it essentially comes down to "I don't like the Validon wagon so I'm going to attack someone on it" without specifically mentioning NNR or why he's worse than the others.

Don't like CF's posts much. They pretty much say that Serela is town for posting random stuff (erm, how?)  and attacks Dormio/Shadoweh for voting NNR and saying that their vote is baseless without describing how, and that's the only thing out of the whole game they seem to have picked out as scummy by this point. Then they end it with a signiture "hey inactive people you should weigh in on things".

##Vote: CF

please don't let there be any more walls
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 04:02:28 PM
SB, CF is an obvious newbie playing their first game. Why are you attacking him for having undeveloped reasoning given this?

Also the Prims self-vote went away as soon as I made another post (very quickly in other words), so I'd like to know how that kept me from putting my vote on anyone of actual value.

I also agree with BT wrt to Conq changing his Validon opinion but the aforementioned RVS vote staying on Validon for so long until prodded is kind of sketchy, especially when he implies he isn't gonna change it at first but then switches a few minutes later.
Who RVS parked their vote on Validon? I can't find what you're talking about so I kinda wonder if you're actually reading the thread.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 19, 2013, 04:21:32 PM
Don't like CF's posts much. They pretty much say that Serela is town for posting random stuff (erm, how?)  and attacks Dormio/Shadoweh for voting NNR and saying that their vote is baseless without describing how, and that's the only thing out of the whole game they seem to have picked out as scummy by this point. Then they end it with a signiture "hey inactive people you should weigh in on things".
I said that Serela seems to be a townie.
Considering Shadoweh/Dormio. First there's some sort of RVS/Joke Serela wagon. Then NNR wagon started by Serela, joined by Conq, and then there's this Shadoweh post.
##Unvote
##Vote: Nekonekorex

For probably being the guy who messaged huh what you dolt
FoS is so weak. Also you're deriding my own reasoning and that's not cool.
For me it's not a townie vote at all. It's pretty random and looks like scum jumping on an easy wagon.
And this is my first game on this forum. I don't know people's meta. I'm just judging things as i see them.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 19, 2013, 04:32:12 PM
and that's the only thing out of the whole game they seem to have picked out as scummy by this point.
Also aside from Conq-BT and Conq-Vhaltz/Mitsuki squabble people don't post much. For example you just came. Serela posted bunch of random crap, can't pick much from that. Validon was absent from the thread for quite some time too. I picked the only scummy thing that looked like a scummy thing.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 19, 2013, 05:10:05 PM
I'll attempt to be brief.

Content over meta is not the issue. My issue with the Validon votes is that there was no mention of discarding the earlier meta (which is essential to understanding the votes), vote n?1 on Validon was empty and revote n?2 mentioned other unrelated things and still didn't clarify why the readswitch. Reasoning only came afterwards when BT pointed out the contradiction. What's scummy isn't switching reads from meta to content, what's scummy is that there was no explanation of this happening, and since the explanation came later after somebody had pointed it out, it's likely that it was made up.

I personally didn't notice timestamps because we were asleep during the ordeal and read it all upon waking up.
Why can't Validon give a satisfying answer to my question? That just sounds like completely bull and an effort to discredit what I'm asking him. Validon twisting the situation is an accurate statement given he used the word mislynch to describe a frigging RVS wagon with a self-voter on it. So yes, I want to hear from Validon himself why he decided to talk about it in that way.

Because the question is literally "can't scum also get driven to L-1 in ED1?" and I can't fathom how a response to that question would give anything that's telling of his alignment. This was the only thing that accompanied your revote aside from the whole "twisting the situation" business in which I can't see scum benefit and it overall seems to be worded in a way to make it look deliberately scummier.


So my main issues with you are 1) how your thought process on Validon is unclear in-thread until the ~potentially made up a posteriori explanation~. It's convenient for scum to switch onto weak townie that's a potential D1 lynch early on. And 2) weird restatement of the earlier white knighting that's blown out of proportion in revote along with a poke on an irrelevant question, which makes me feel like it's all just filler for a scum-motivated vote to make it look nice.


I have no say on the voteswitch, NNR drop etc, I didn't go over Mitsuki's posts beyond helping her with some wording when she gets stuck (she has language difficulties every now and then) so I don't tell her what content to post and what not to post. I also haven't made her read enough games yet so she's still not very familiar with using mafia terminology herself. She takes a while to write out posts but she's working on it on a different computer so she'll reply eventually.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 19, 2013, 05:16:53 PM
and revote n?2 mentioned other unrelated things and still didn't clarify why the readswitch.

Before I get nitpicked I mean things unrelated to the reason behind the read switch (discarding meta and all). I focus on the read switch issue there and address the other things in the revote post a little later in the post.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 19, 2013, 05:35:06 PM
Before I respond to the rest of Mitsuki's post, I want to point out the time stamps between my posts which Vhaltz is conveniently ignoring. The initial vote on Serela, switch to Vhaltz, brief segue on NNR and switch back to Validon ALL HAPPENED WITHIN AN HOUR. I didn't jump from vote to vote last game because I was only here for a few hours out of the day, but when I was here I was pretty liberal in switching my vote as well (see the BBM/Serela/Shadoweh votemess). Vhaltz and Mitsuki were there when this was happening so they have no excuse for not knowing this and actually pushing my voteswitching as a reason I'm scummy.

Conqueror dear, your vote swaps were done at 5 am from our perspective (GMT +1:00 I think? We're Spanish AND SPAIN IS TOTALLY NOT IN SOUTH AMERICA*). Vhaltz and I were sleeping back then. Maybe Vhaltz left his computer on or something with an account still connected, but I can guarantee you that our sleeping habits are not that bad (=w=u
I never look at time stamps, by the way. I should start doing that, but for now I prefer improving other things (@A@)
You should have taken into account those factors when you placed your reasoning. Anyways, we can get a conclusion from all of this: You're being a little overreactive. (Don't overreact to this, it wouldn't be fun)

So Mitsuki, how am I not interested in moving the game along? How is "messing up too much" scummy in any way?

I'm quite sure messing things up too much (I said "messing up" but I meant "messing things up", my vocabulary failed and Vhaltz missed it) misleads town. Scum want to mislead town, so there's that.

I don't see how you can say that I "understood how NNR interpreted Validon's post" and yet I didn't drop my reasoning. I mean, the latter pretty much follows from the former. But I'll play along.Did I ever say or indicated that I suspected NNR because he didn't explicitly state the reasoning that I thought he might have been following? No. Why are you putting words in my mouth? I dropped NNR from that unvote and think he's leaning town. This entire vote on me is based on something that didn't happen.

I already stated the feeling I got from your post. Now that I've read it again I see that you clearly dropped it. I misunderstood you.
I should re-read Vhaltz's points against you and try to understand better. For now our vote stays on you, but I'm not that convinced anymore.

------------------
* Apparently some people believe that.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 19, 2013, 05:36:43 PM
You think we're scum? O_o since when? I don't think voting nnr is baseless.

The effort put into explaining why it isn't baseless is killing me. Seriously I'm reading back and I'm not seeing anything beyond an OMGUS (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009468.html#msg1009468). All you're saying after that is we should lynch NNR instead of the other guy without pointing out what's scummy in his play that makes him Today's Lynch.

Don't think it makes them scum though, just a prod for content.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 19, 2013, 05:39:04 PM
Friendly reminder that laziness killed last game.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 19, 2013, 06:15:45 PM
You Don't Know Who Will Vote Next! Vountcount 1.4

BT (0) -
CF7 (1) - SB
Validon (1) - NNR
Serela (1) - Validon
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (1) -  Vhaltz/Mitsuki
NNR (2) - Serela, Shadoweh/Dormio
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (2) - BT, Conq/PX
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) -   

Not Voting (1) - CF7

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

~1.75 days leftDay 1 Deadline Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130821T0940&p0=179&msg=Day+1+Deadline#)

Validon Prodded

Also because it isn't specified, you don't need to ##unvote to vote for someone else.  Just be aware.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 19, 2013, 06:35:58 PM
@BT: That reasoning was part of the next page, which threw me off a little after I made that post.  This isn't my best D1 so far, I've likely been too hasty with trying to find options (apparent that I've been missing things in posts)

Ok, I'll quote my original post. Tell me where the "clear" is:

"Validon usually does that kind of thing". I didn't say "as town". I never implied it either. You're just misunderstanding me (?_u)
What I meant is that if Validon usually does x thing we can't say whether it's coming from one alignment or the other. I said "Validon should still be neutral", not "lol he's town". I didn't even try to say something about Validon's alignment.
"I am voting a player for voting another player for a meta-related reason that I don't think is scummy" sure sounds like "clear" to me. It kind of implies you don't think the person you're soft-defending is scum.

Quote
First of all, were you the one to talk to HW about your role? wwwwwwwwwww
What? No.
Quote
<@Prims> wait is NNR playing
.:Conq:. yeah he is
.:@Prims:. if so we can't talk openly in here i imagine
.:Conq:. yeah
.:NekoRex:. playing what now
.:NekoRex:. I've been on and off allday
.:NekoRex:. oh hey the game finally began
.:Conq:. :V
This is the full extent of mentions I have made to this game outside the thread. I was guessing Serela was the one spilling beans.

I'll have another post soon where I don't only talk about myself.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 19, 2013, 06:43:45 PM
"I am voting a player for voting another player for a meta-related reason that I don't think is scummy" sure sounds like "clear" to me. It kind of implies you don't think the person you're soft-defending is scum.
What? No.This is the full extent of mentions I have made to this game outside the thread. I was guessing Serela was the one spilling beans.

Not thinking he's scum doesn't mean I think he's town either. (=w=;

Serela, is that right? wwwwwwwwwwwww
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Validon98 on August 19, 2013, 07:00:06 PM
Okay, so school happened, and I don't have access to this website during this time, so a lot of stuff happened and I've been busy and I'm sorry but as much as I want to continue the beginning of my senior year might get in the way of that. Thus I'm requesting a replacement for now. Sorry, I would love to do this, but real life is just saying no.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 19, 2013, 07:01:55 PM
I am writing in the shit color to convey that the posits about who HW may have communicated with prior to entering (and leaving) the game ought to stop immediately

really... that's brown?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 19, 2013, 07:04:27 PM
Oh and Validon needs to be replaced.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 19, 2013, 07:20:50 PM
Not thinking he's scum doesn't mean I think he's town either. (=w=;
True, but it's still soft-defending him for a meta reason. The distinction that he's either town or not scum is a highly moot point. It would be the same as me saying that Serela isn't scum for all her fluff posts and lack of content because she always screws up her ED1 game (which might be true but is definitely an awful reason to avoid being suspicious).

Valhtz's #100 post and Conq vote look kinda weird since I only half-understand what his vote is trying to say. I don't really agree that finding a different way to vote a player you previously didn't want to vote sounds just like a change in opinion to me, and Conq even drops the meta reason for avoiding the vote, which I can agree with as well.
I'm not really seeing Conq's continued suspicion on me, BTW, and Valtz and Mitsuki are kinda scummy for implying Conq still suspects me when it's not really there.

Vali is switching out, so there's not much point in trying to pressure him with a vote for the time being, odd post or no. I think Valtz or and Mitsuki are scummy so far for their attacks on Conq and trying to justify the meta clear as something else, so

##Unvote
##Vote: Valtsuki


PS I do think Serela is leaning scum atm for her lack of good content, and would like to see some posts from him soon.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 19, 2013, 07:53:30 PM
True, but it's still soft-defending him for a meta reason. The distinction that he's either town or not scum is a highly moot point. It would be the same as me saying that Serela isn't scum for all her fluff posts and lack of content because she always screws up her ED1 game (which might be true but is definitely an awful reason to avoid being suspicious).

I didn't intend to defend Validon, even if you interpret what I said as a defense. I just wanted to point out BT's reasoning because I thought was coming from scum (not really, but I wanted to end RVS). I can see no reason on why my actions would be scummy. You're probably making associative reads on your mind between Validon and us and thinking that's relevant because of it while it's not. There's also the fact that Validon wasn't under much pressure, do you really think that if we were scumbuddies I'd have jumped to defend him so early?
Also, the difference is on the purpose: I was suspecting BT and that's why I made the post. Defending Serela would have no purpose.

I'm not really seeing Conq's continued suspicion on me, BTW, and Valtz and Mitsuki are kinda scummy for implying Conq still suspects me when it's not really there.

I already clarified that. Is misunderstanding things scummy?

Really weak vote overall, it's just based on misinterpretations. (As I said earlier, I think NNR usually misunderstands things)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 08:00:04 PM
FAIR WARNING: sharp shift in priorities means you should be expecting sub-minimal activity from me for the remainder of the day. I'll be back in full throttle for D2.

(this is my post for today)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 19, 2013, 08:01:11 PM
Hey NNR did you read my reply to Conq because I don't think you did.

It's not the change in opinion, changes in opinion happen, sure, but in switching his read he never mentioned how or why the readswitch happened at the time he voted. Twice. If at one point you say somebody's post is bad but meta him town, and then you change your mind about the meta and decide to vote him instead, that's a 180? turn so it's natural and common sense that you'd explain why you changed your mind at the time of the vote. Conq didn't explain until much later which feels like trying to cover up for a screw up.

The only reason why town would withhold reasoning to their vote would be if they were doing so intentionally aiming to gauge reactions but there has been no comment on this being intentional.


Also your view of Validon!scum is clearly making you biased towards Conq's side in a ConqvsUs discussion because he dislikes Validon whereas we think he's null. This is specially clear when your reasons behind your vote on us are extremely subpar. The only mention you make of my points is that you half-understand them and wrote out something as obvious as that people change their minds and that it doesn't make them scummy, when this is barely scratching the surface of the reasoning behind my Conq case (which is barely ED1 strong as it is so this should not be hard).

Your only valid point may be Mitsuki's issue with Conq's continued suspicion on you, which she has since conceded because she misread (I remind you that English is not her mother tongue). I advise that you read our posts and the thread again and update your case/vote.

Might've sounded a little too aggressive, nothing's meant to be taken personally.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 19, 2013, 09:05:38 PM
I tried to read CF7's posts but my brain kind of doesn't register the words. Shadoweh can respond to whatever he was saying.

Seriously I'm reading back and I'm not seeing anything beyond an OMGUS (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009468.html#msg1009468).
You mean other than the complete dismissal of the things that Shadoweh and I were posting in order to make it seem as though we had no reason whatsoever to be voting for Serela? Why do all of you people insist on giving us overly simple motivations for what we do?

Shadoweh will comment on more recent events because I'm busy working on assignments.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 10:16:19 PM
I'm staying up to post in mafia despite everything. Sacrificing sleep. Everyone likes uncle BT.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 10:33:19 PM
WARNING: THIS POST IS A MESS
WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING, I TYPED THIS UP IN AN HOUR (AND A HALF)

Midnight reading and then nothing for a good day.

My basis behind the Mitsuki vote was that it seemed quick to stop the press cold and paint it as scummy. Her explanation actually makes me understand it though - if it was a specific thing that she thought I was in the wrong about and thought I knew I was in the wrong... yeah, I can see that reaction happening.

Vhaltz makes a point of presenting my convo with Conq as a slapfight which confuses me. However he does bring up one good point and it's that Conq didn't really mention anything about him reconsidering his Val handwave when it happened.

At first I was going to say something about Vhaltzotsuki's walls reading weird this game but... not really. I don't know. I think I'm fine with them right now. I think part of Vhaltz's actual meta is to make weird cases and despite the initial reaction I had while mafiaphoning I can't claim that his case reeks of scum.

Though, Mitsuki, confusion about hydras isn't alignment-indicative. I don't really get your NNR town lean. I think you also misunderstood some of what Conq was saying about Val to be on NNR instead. ("he didn't say it himself" or whatever was actually referring to Validon stating or not stating suspicion on Serela) (you already found this out yourself, cool)

Conq, hey, if I claimed that you overreacted to Vhaltzotsuki's case, you'd understand, right? It's lovely that your rebuttal is an explanation of how protown your play is and how they dare to not see it. (yes I know it's not all, but it's in there) You definitely could've fooled me that you were going to vote them just from your posts up to #109 so for #110 to announce that you *actually are* is what.

BT finding Validon suspicious but not voting for him is not good. I also agree with BT wrt to Conq changing his Validon opinion but the aforementioned RVS vote staying on Validon for so long until prodded is kind of sketchy, especially when he implies he isn't gonna change it at first but then switches a few minutes later.
By this point you've probably realized that I still had my RVS vote at the time but, anyway, it's because I didn't want to vote him and cause an early shit tornado, just wanted a light press. If that's clear.

A lot of your post is weird inaccuracies / vague suspicions, could you flesh things out? Also what Dormio meant by Prims doing stupid shit as scum is that Prims does stupid shit as scum (at least here). The quantity and quality of stupid shittiness is consistently higher with his scum game so it's not a bad meta lean.

Your vote is actually fairly okay ("okay" as a vote but I think he's leaning town after his reply to you) so I don't get Conq's immediate shooting down of said vote. It probably isn't his first mafia game to boot. (use of "reread" is probably a giveaway, don't think it's had time to be used here)

And yeah sorry Conq, #117 consolidates with a lot of my own thoughts on ED1. Most notably that Scum!Validon just wouldn't gain much from "whiteknighting" if it was the actual motive, and if it wasn't it was likely to come from both alignments as I've already said. It's weird that, in your reply to the case, you still give considerable weight to your Validon press when that shouldn't be the case. I don't think you'd have stuck with this for so (relatively) long as town.

Late reply to Mitsuki because for some reason NNR feels like pushin the "you totally cleared him" thing - I didn't mean clear back then in the conventional way, I felt like you were "clear"ing attempts at pressing Val way too easily but I already said at the start of this post that I understand that it wasn't the case now. (rather it was a specific thing)

Nice to see NNR has regressed back to his gender defects. Serela's totally a dude. I'm frowning at you right now for not realizing that Mitsuki messed up wrt Conq's suspicion on you (null) and referring to Vhaltz's #100 and not his #117 which is better.

wait

I just wanted to point out BT's reasoning because I thought was coming from scum (not really, but I wanted to end RVS).
You had me confused for a few seconds but okay. I think varying degrees of :serious: you might have been exhibiting doesn't change anything here. Also stingy WIFOM, please don't do. My eyes are sensetive.

dum badum dabadumbarum ##Unvote ##Vote Conqueror X Reasons are scattered in this post, it's like playing a game I have no time for right now. Also vague gut feelings that'd probably explain somewhat the way our early exchagne started.

Why do I feel like Shadoweh.

Speaking of which she should totally do that thing Dormio mentioned.

Sleep. Don't expect me to post anytime soon (hopefully).
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 19, 2013, 10:34:24 PM
Several instances I wondered if what is essentially a 1v1 right now is cool but I think I'm fine with it. So long as people don't float past it. Hint hint.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 11:04:18 PM
Okay, Vhaltz, you keep making a big deal about me not dropping the meta point or whatever. Let me point you to the meta point in question.
ftr initially i kinda wanted to instavote validon for what i thought was a white knight of the shadoweh wagon but validon is prone to overstatement from past experience
Your case on me is literally that I didn't mention discarding this meta when I revoted Validon, but that doesn't even matter at all because the meta point I brought up was "something Validon did that was scummy could be a null tell." Yes, but that still makes it something scummy that he did. I initially stayed away from voting Validon because I thought his behavior would be alignment irrelevant and opted to vote Serela instead. Once I didn't feel comfortable with a Serela vote anymore, I decided that the meta point wasn't enough for me to avoid a Validon vote over Serela, and in any case I wanted clarification from him.

What's scummy isn't switching reads from meta to content, what's scummy is that there was no explanation of this happening, and since the explanation came later after somebody had pointed it out, it's likely that it was made up.
The accusation that I didn't bother making up reasoning for a Validon vote until asked later is kinda insulting to my scum game imo because as scum I would have no reason to not provide token reasoning using buzzwords.
But I sorta responded to this already.
Also, Validon has made one friggin post. How much reasoning are you even expecting for a Validon vote? The fact that you're ignoring this and calling people out for flimsy reasoning for a one-line-one-post poster is pretty suspicious in itself. Essentially it boils down to a gut vote, but I tried to explain my gut in a way that makes sense to other people. And this is scummy?
I "restated" the white knighting thing because I was asked about it; I wouldn't have brought it up again otherwise because I was waiting for Validon to respond to it.


Because the question is literally "can't scum also get driven to L-1 in ED1?" and I can't fathom how a response to that question would give anything that's telling of his alignment. This was the only thing that accompanied your revote aside from the whole "twisting the situation" business in which I can't see scum benefit and it overall seems to be worded in a way to make it look deliberately scummier.
Way to ignore the question I actually asked Validon?
validon, why did you think shadoweh getting put at l-1 so early scream mislynch to you? why can't scum be put at l-1 early in the game (like huhwhat in disgaea mafia)?
I asked him why he referred to it as a mislynch; the latter question was an addendum. Again, you're cherry picking my words to spin a picture that isn't there. Also, see above.


The only mention you make of my points is that you half-understand them and wrote out something as obvious as that people change their minds and that it doesn't make them scummy, when this is barely scratching the surface of the reasoning behind my Conq case (which is barely ED1 strong as it is so this should not be hard).
If your case is barely ED1 strong why are clutching to it like a drowning man being tossed a lifeline? You seem pretty sure about it to me.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 11:08:35 PM
It's not the change in opinion, changes in opinion happen, sure, but in switching his read he never mentioned how or why the readswitch happened at the time he voted. Twice. If at one point you say somebody's post is bad but meta him town, and then you change your mind about the meta and decide to vote him instead, that's a 180? turn so it's natural and common sense that you'd explain why you changed your mind at the time of the vote. Conq didn't explain until much later which feels like trying to cover up for a screw up.
Pointing this out again because reading it makes me increasingly frustrated.
Again, point me out where I meta'd Validon as town. It's like what Mitsuki did earlier in the game when she said "Validon always does this," or something to that effect. Never did I meta Validon as town, and the way you're painting this as a complete 180 is just misrepping/misinterpreting (depending on your alignment) the entire situation.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 19, 2013, 11:10:16 PM
I skimmed a bunch of walls to see if Validon had posted, and I noticed he had! ... -.- Well I guess that's more waiting then.
Regarding CF7 I think his reasoning is p understandable, he thinks we're weird, our vote was weird, and doesn't think the person we're voting for is bad, therefore we might be scum. For babby's first case it's pretty good! Except for the part where we're town I guess. Nxt I will actually read Neko's posts in the middle of all that that and see if I think he is still a scummy.

Cut: Oh my god stop arguing with each other i want to post too
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 11:18:54 PM
Your vote is actually fairly okay ("okay" as a vote but I think he's leaning town after his reply to you) so I don't get Conq's immediate shooting down of said vote. It probably isn't his first mafia game to boot. (use of "reread" is probably a giveaway, don't think it's had time to be used here)
Oops, now that I read his original post in the signup thread yeah it isn't his first game of mafia ever, just on this site. Still, I don't like SB's vote on him because 1) I'm leaning town on CF7 and 2) SB's attack on him is kinda lacking imo. He points out a lot of stuff that shows the CF7 has given out a few very basic reads and thinks Shadormio is scummy, but how does that make CF7 scummy? From reading SB's post I'd almost expect him to vote Serela instead of CF7, so I'm wary about the focus on a relatively new player.

Vhaltz makes a point of presenting my convo with Conq as a slapfight which confuses me. However he does bring up one good point and it's that Conq didn't really mention anything about him reconsidering his Val handwave when it happened.

Conq, hey, if I claimed that you overreacted to Vhaltzotsuki's case, you'd understand, right? It's lovely that your rebuttal is an explanation of how protown your play is and how they dare to not see it. (yes I know it's not all, but it's in there) You definitely could've fooled me that you were going to vote them just from your posts up to #109 so for #110 to announce that you *actually are* is what.

And yeah sorry Conq, #117 consolidates with a lot of my own thoughts on ED1. Most notably that Scum!Validon just wouldn't gain much from "whiteknighting" if it was the actual motive, and if it wasn't it was likely to come from both alignments as I've already said. It's weird that, in your reply to the case, you still give considerable weight to your Validon press when that shouldn't be the case. I don't think you'd have stuck with this for so (relatively) long as town.

Scum don't have to look to gain anything from "whiteknighting"; it's fake content to make them seen townie that may or may not come with other benefits. The only reason I keep giving weight to my Validon press is because you people keep bringing it up; I've stated multiple times that I wanted to see Validon's response to my statement but now that he's replaced out WE'LL NEVER KNOW.
BT I don't get your vote what are you doing.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 11:26:34 PM
Also I wouldn't understand if you said I overreacted to Vhaltz/Mitsuki's case because when I see a case based on bad logic/premises, especially if it's on me, I tear it down.

Saying that I was talking about how protown my play and how dare people not see it my way is unfair because I try not to be that kind of player. But if someone says something I did is totally scum motivated and I absolutely know they're wrong then yes I am going to explain why I did something the way I did because that's my duty unless I'm a jester.

About not initially wanting to vote Vhaltz/Mitsuki, it's because I've always had a reflexive urge to vote anyone to makes a bad case on me (see every game of mine ever) so I have to hold back the urge to lynch someone into oblivion to think about whether I think they're actually scum or not.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 19, 2013, 11:30:50 PM
Okay, I found a thread of discussion which will hopefully be productive.
And yeah sorry Conq, #117 consolidates with a lot of my own thoughts on ED1.
What about #117 do you like, in your own words?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 19, 2013, 11:58:48 PM
If your case is barely ED1 strong why are clutching to it like a drowning man being tossed a lifeline? You seem pretty sure about it to me.

What should I do then? Not pursue any cases in D1? I'm rarely convinced that my cases hit scum but if I think there's chances I'll go for it and it's what I have now. I want to think this is frustration speaking and I'll point out that you shouldn't take this personally beyond the game.

Your case on me is literally that I didn't mention discarding this meta when I revoted Validon, but that doesn't even matter at all because the meta point I brought up was "something Validon did that was scummy could be a null tell." Yes, but that still makes it something scummy that he did. I initially stayed away from voting Validon because I thought his behavior would be alignment irrelevant and opted to vote Serela instead. Once I didn't feel comfortable with a Serela vote anymore, I decided that the meta point wasn't enough for me to avoid a Validon vote over Serela, and in any case I wanted clarification from him.

This may have been obvious in your head but not in-thread (sick rhymes). No really, this isn't as obvious from thread perspective as you're making it out to be and this is why I value clarity the most when it comes to mafia, I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one who has understood the whole thing this way so I don't think I'm being the issue here. I could see this being a misunderstanding but I could also see it as scum trying to bullshit his way out of a screw-up. Not that I know much of your scum meta but Mitsuki and BT are correct when pointing out that you're overreacting.

Whether or not I'm right about that point, there's more to the case (and you're shrinking down my case to point 1 when I stated two points, later addressing point 2 which means you're aware that it exists, are you twisting my words to make my case look more waveable for spectators not in the slapfight?). You're understanding my comment on "restating of the whiteknighting" as referring to a post that came later in the game than the one I'm referring to which is your revote post (#79). I pointed out that the content regarding Validon in that post read like filler for a scum-motivated vote, part of the reason being that I didn't understand the pursuit of the question.

I have to admit I completely forgot that there was a second question in your #37, so I'm not sure how well my case stands after that. Despite that, I agree with BT's points regarding how you've been replying to our case (rage/overreaction call Endymion to memory rather than last game's town!Conq) so I don't know. It's late and I'll have to reread everything again to decide with these details in mind so I guess I'll have to postpone judgement until tomorrow.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 12:20:32 AM
What should I do then? Not pursue any cases in D1? I'm rarely convinced that my cases hit scum but if I think there's chances I'll go for it and it's what I have now. I want to think this is frustration speaking and I'll point out that you shouldn't take this personally beyond the game.
I didn't say that, but there's a disconnect between the way you're trying to downplay your case and how convinced of it you seem to be, which is what I'm pointing out.

This may have been obvious in your head but not in-thread (sick rhymes). No really, this isn't as obvious from thread perspective as you're making it out to be and this is why I value clarity the most when it comes to mafia, I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one who has understood the whole thing this way so I don't think I'm being the issue here. I could see this being a misunderstanding but I could also see it as scum trying to bullshit his way out of a screw-up.
Actually, I think it is? It's being buried in this mess of words so I don't think anyone else is really understanding what we're saying, but if you look at my posts, I was looking at Validon at Serela, I went for Serela first, didn't like that anymore, and went for Validon afterwards based on my earlier statements. I didn't restate my reasoning on Validon because, as I said. it was mostly a gut feeling and a desire for clarification, and Validon had made one post. By the standards you're pushing, nothing I could have said at the time would have been good enough reasoning. I didn't restate my earlier (weak) reasoning because I knew it was weak but it was the best thing I had at the time. I wanted to avoid what's going on now, because now that I've tried to clarify on what I was trying to say at the time you and BT are all like "you're making this case more than it is." But the only reason I talked more about it was because you asked me to clarify on what I wanted to say, and I did. All I wanted was a response from Validon, but he had to be a jerk and go off playing LoT instead. The way you keep trying to paint this as scum trying to bullshit his way out of a screw-up is why I don't like the way you're approaching the case. You've come to the conclusion that I'm scum and are presenting all my posts through that lens. If I did that I could bullshit a case on anyone in the game.

Whether or not I'm right about that point, there's more to the case (and you're shrinking down my case to point 1 when I stated two points, later addressing point 2 which means you're aware that it exists, are you twisting my words to make my case look more waveable for spectators not in the slapfight?).
If I addressed both your points I'm not shrinking your case down at all. >_> I reply to posts in chunks because I don't like really big posts. How is that twisting your words at all, like what?

You're understanding my comment on "restating of the whiteknighting" as referring to a post that came later in the game than the one I'm referring to which is your revote post (#79). I pointed out that the content regarding Validon in that post read like filler for a scum-motivated vote, part of the reason being that I didn't understand the pursuit of the question.
I don't know what you're trying to say here. It's a lose-lose situation; either I post reasoning and it's filler or I don't post reasoning and it's a scummy blank vote. I've already stated why I decided to explain my vote the way I did. In any case it's nice that you acknowledge that you completely misread my question because that explains why I couldn't make any sense of your earlier query. >_>

Despite that, I agree with BT's points regarding how you've been replying to our case (rage/overreaction call Endymion to memory rather than last game's town!Conq) so I don't know. It's late and I'll have to reread everything again to decide with these details in mind so I guess I'll have to postpone judgement until tomorrow.
Actually, if you want actually comparable meta, check out any game where I've been attacked as town (like Pictures of Birds, Path of Radiance, Micro 31); what you're associating with Endymion and scum!Conq is alignment irrelevant. I wouldn't exactly call it rage (it's more like blinding bloodlust) but it's an unfortunate character flaw of mine that I've been trying to cut down on.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 12:26:25 AM
I mean, hell, if you're going to use meta, at least use it right. >_>

Also, where the hell is everyone? Shadoweh, rereading NNR shouldn't take this long.

Serela stop avoiding the thread.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 20, 2013, 12:36:16 AM
There's a few pages for me to catch up with, so this post has a lot of more minor pokes and whatever, but I'll try to keep it from getting too bloated. Anyway; keeping NNR vote. His observations in #60 are silly, in the line of "that's not what's actually going on" (Not including his first miniparagraph) and in addition to already stated reasons calling out Dormio's vote was silly, there's also the fact that the game was currently still more or less in RVS, and voting me for L-1'ing them was better then almost any other vote on the table at the time.

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The whole BT/Conq slapfight is weird because there seems to be intent on both sides to keep the slapfight to a minimum
Thank god, do you realize how pointless those things usually are? At the very least, ones that are occurring in D1. It generates a ton of noise that's hard to read through and generally doesn't even give much useful insight.

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There are also Serela's vote which has no reasoning to it at all
The Validon wagon was silly. NNR didn't even have the credit of starting it, but rather, jumped on. Conq at least was voting Validon with the intent of having Vali answer a few questions he had, which isn't so bad. So, out of the three voting him... yeah.

This VhaltzMitz/Conq stuff is too much for me. It's walls and walls and walls of ED1 shenanigans. What happened to the content/meaningfulness ratio at least actually making sense during d1? D:

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and outing a townread on Shadoweh for some reason that he hasn't even explained.
Huh? Did I do this? I can't remember :T

SB's post looks fine at a glance but his actual desires of who to vote seem kinda bleh, aka the Prims shenanigan and voting CF.

Okay, now that I've almost caught up,
##Unvote NNR
His later post looks better. (I still have to re-weigh all the options, but yeah)

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when this is barely scratching the surface of the reasoning behind my Conq case (which is barely ED1 strong as it is so this should not be hard).
Oh my god I'm going to cry. You say this when you're making wall after wall after wall about Conq. I'm going to read other people's posts instead. :c It's important though, so can you try to make a concise summary of your case on Conq? Like, a list of bulletpoints? PLEASE.

Okay, I'm getting lost in here. (Sorry if I'm overly complaining about walls)

ShadOrmio, Conq, VhaltMits, could you try to explain your voting priorities at the moment? That thing I said earlier about slapfights, there's so much noise going on in the thread it's hard to actually organize what the hell is going on. I don't just mean your current vote, but anyone else whom you actually might consider worth voting too, because opinions are important and super relevant.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 12:39:35 AM
I'll consider voting you if you don't provide something other than "help me pls who do you guys suspect"  :V

If it helps you with the walls just read from the last page and work backwards, because most of the earlier walls are invalidated by what comes afterwards.

SB's post looks fine at a glance but his actual desires of who to vote seem kinda bleh, aka the Prims shenanigan and voting CF.
Could you explain what you mean by this? Also, what did you want to say about BT yesterday (I asked you right before you went away so you probably missed it).
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 20, 2013, 12:42:01 AM
ajufdigjdfuigjd this is what I get for not using notepad, now I don't even remember what I had typed up ;-;

Vhaltzuki: I'm mostly reading your huge posts, but in one paragraph or less can you show me the parts where Conq used rage to outright ignore your arguments instead of answering your accusations? That's what he did as Endymion, used how dare you to guilt me into forgetting what I asked in the first place. I think Conq has been posting fine myself. I honestly think you should both just stop. Take a breather and address the like five posts by people who aren't you two, without breaking back into a wallfest at each other.

BT: I didn't realize you were voting Vhaltz at first, I had to go back and check because it was a kind of reasonless post. I don't think you needed to spend as many words as you did defending unvoting them in the first place. Then again, you did have to justify jumping onto the other camp from your perspective. It's weird because you talk about how you can understand where Conq is coming from wrt: being misrepped about things he said about Val being on NNR, but you jump on him anyways. Most of all I disagree with pressing Validon being scummy, because making one weird post then lurking because he doesn't know what to say is what I'd expect scum!Validon to do. He ended up replacing out, but it doesn't change th suspicions of the time. Tell me what you think of Neko right now since you have voting thoughts towards him, but I'm not sure how strong you feel about them.

Also SB's vote on CF7 isn't that great because CF7 is like bby's first townie, since when did we count undisclosed mafia experience elsewhere as actual mafia experience?

I swear I've read Neko's posts, I'm just not sure what to say about them. Don't make me want to unvote him, but not enough people are interacting with him for me to feel he's being pressured to say not say anything. 

Cut 4 times: GO TO HELL
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 20, 2013, 12:43:52 AM
tl;dr conq and vhaltz are collecting votes for beng loud and fighting and being the only things for people to analyze so they should stop fting
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 20, 2013, 12:49:21 AM
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I'll consider voting you if you don't provide something other than "help me pls who do you guys suspect"
How am I gonna figure out who to vote if I can hardly even tell what half of the other players are doing >:c

D1 walls to this degree are beyond unnecessary. It bloats the thread with overanalysis of things that are being given more attention then they're actually worth.

DON'T DODGE MY QUESTIONS EITHER D: If you think I'm gonna steal your cases just call me out if I actually do so where it's a legitimate point rather then fear-mongering about the possibility to avoid responding!


About SB:Despite how much your slot's been talking, all he has to say about it is on the ridiculous shenanigan from Prims really early in the game, something which was also almost immediately invalidated by the other players and also HW's removal from the game

tl;dr conq and vhaltz are collecting votes for beng loud and fighting and being the only things for people to analyze so they should stop fting
this marks at least a third of the players in the game declaring this stuff as silly



Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 12:53:04 AM
serela i was making another post anyway dont worry :>

shadoweh i must have blooodd >:<

I want to see where Vhaltz goes with this backing off of his first. I might go for a SB lynch but I'm kinda wary of mislynching him again because I'm pretty sure I can't read him. :V Already stated what I didn't like about his CF7 angle earlier though.

bt is giving me weird vibes but i dont know how to state them. it's probably because he's busy but im not sure where he's coming from in his latest post. need to see more from him.

validon would be a last resort lurker lynch to prevent the mod from getting a replacement but despite that it might have a decent chance of hitting scum. will probably wait until tomorrow though to see if it gets replaced or modkilled though. lamersssss.

dont want to lynch serela or nnr. or shadoweh for that matter but i dont think anyone is voting for that slot.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 12:56:56 AM
ebwop: i guess what im trying to say that it feels like bt is trying to ride the coattails of vhaltz/mitsuki's case on me to slide onto a vote on me. there's also the weird 1v1 thing; i cant tell if bt is talking about a 1v1 between me and vhaltz/mitsuki or a 1v1 between me and bt...which doesnt make sense.

either way it boils down to i dont know what bt is doing.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 01:01:19 AM
ebwodp: although i guess i'd ask nnr if vhaltz/mitsuki's latest posts have changed any of this views on that slot
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 01:04:11 AM
*of his views
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 01:15:05 AM
just to be clear one of the reasons im not stepping back from the vhaltz/mitsuki vote right now is because ive just about had it with scum trying to bullshit cases on me, and then me having to step away from the vote because other people brush off any slapfight as town/town. vhaltz admitting his case on me is faulty is a good step, but that's easy for him to do if he's scum especially as he's just walking away now and leaving his conclusion up in the air for tomorrow. doesnt help that he's only talked extensively about me up to the point where i cant tell what his reads on other people are, although im guilty of the same thing so im stepping back a little to look at other people.

so i want to see where vhaltz/mitsuki goes from here. i dont want people writing him off as town because he writes big paragraphs if he doesnt have the solid content to back it up,
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 01:18:31 AM
And...now that I posted that it just looks dumb and petty.

Whatever.

##Unvote
##Vote: SB


Why is CF7 scummy for only picking one thing out of the game as scummy and saying Serela feels town?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 20, 2013, 01:27:17 AM
Page Grab Fail Vountcount 1.5

BT (0) -
CF7 (1) - SB
Validon (0) -
Serela (1) - Validon
SB (1) - Conq/PX
Conq/PX (2) -  Vhaltz/Mitsuki, BT
NNR (1) - Shadoweh/Dormio
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (1) - NNR
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) -   

Not Voting (2) - CF7, Serela

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

36 hours left!
Day 1 Deadline Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130821T0940&p0=179&msg=Day+1+Deadline#)

Validon's slot will be modkilled if I don't find a replacement by deadline!11!11!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 20, 2013, 01:38:28 AM
Fuck you and your Shadowrun Shadoweh. You're lucky I happen to be on break right now.
Anyway, psychoanalysis of current events: Dormio Edition.

First things first, there's the big flashy Vhaltz/Conq walls.
To be honest, I'm quite disinterested in them as a whole.
If I had to say anything about them, it would be that Vhaltz's case seems quite forced to me.
My other half disagrees and thinks that it's not indicative of anything but...

Serela is still being useless. Please contribute. Very tempted to vote.

As for NekoNekoRex, I'm not convinced like Conq is.
Let's say that he did genuinely make the interpretation mistake in regards to Validon's words.
I still think that the way he went about it was scummy.
But Shadoweh says otherwise. So whatever I guess.
Also everyone in this particular game, barring Shadoweh and Mitsuki, is male. Please get your gender pronouns right. It bugs me to no end.

I don't really know how much of this is repetition of other people's words, nor whether or not my words make any sense whatsoever, but I have assignments to work on so screw you.

Warning - while you were typing 6 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Shadoweh why.
I'll just make another post to try to explain my thoughts surrounding Vhaltz and Mitsuki.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 20, 2013, 02:07:29 AM
So, Vhaltz and Mitsuki. Where to begin?
"The beginning!"
Well I might as well.

I find the entire first exchange between BT and Mitsuki to be very suspicious.
Hey, Val, was the explanation behind not lynching someone during RVS necessary? I don't think it was.
BT, do you find what Validon did suspicious? If so, why?
The need to clarify things even when they're obvious.
##Vote: BT

Validon usually does that kind of thing, so I think it's weird you're qualifying that as suspicious.
To me, this entire exchange looks choreographed.
Of course, this could be a result of my paranoia, but what else am I supposed to work off?
BT's first post seems something more akin to an offhand comment, yet Mitsuki singles out this particular post instead of anything else.
And then BT's response to Mitsuki that just throws me in for a loop.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't help but get the feeling that this was a planned conversation aimed at creating the appearance that Mitsuki was attempting to end RVS with a "serious" vote.
It just really strikes me that the responses seem a bit unnatural and the two of them disappear for a while after this series of events.
~D1 scumpair conspiracy theories~ aww yeah.

Of course, since my theories are usually wrong, and I don't really think that BT is scum, I want to focus on the Vhaltz/Mitsuki pair.
Mitsuki finally returns with a post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.90.html) and there are a few things I don't like about it.
Mainly that she attempts to defend her position and states that she never gave a clear, nor implied one, towards Validon.
However, doesn't stating that a particular type of behaviour is typical of a player while voting for another player that attacks the aforementioned player for that behaviour contradict that statement? Mitsuki tries to dismiss this as holding a neutral stance, but in that case, why did she feel the need to defend Validon so?
If we look at Vhaltz's post that directly follows Mitsuki's, you'll notice that he votes for Conq.
What for? For attacking Validon, of course.
Something about this heavy defending of Validon from both Vhaltz and Mitsuki simply doesn't sit right with me.
I disagree with several of the points that Vhaltz brings up in his case, but Conq has already addressed that himself so I don't really care but something really stands out to me that I'll get to in just a moment.
What should I do then? Not pursue any cases in D1? I'm rarely convinced that my cases hit scum but if I think there's chances I'll go for it and it's what I have now. I want to think this is frustration speaking and I'll point out that you shouldn't take this personally beyond the game.
This response from Vhaltz causes a lot of alarms to ring in my head.
Instead of simply stating that it's a case that he believes in or something to that effect, Vhaltz launches into an overly emotionally charged response.
By asking something like "What should I do then? Not pursue any cases in D1?", he's implying that Conq is discouraging scumhunting while avoiding the main question that he was asked in the first place.
Something this manipulative should be burned in a fire.

At least, that's my sleep deprived opinion.
When is Shadoweh going to be done with her bloody Shadowrun?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 20, 2013, 03:54:27 AM
Shadowrun is important okay >:< Also Serela is a girl, there is no mistake there.
I agree that BT's stuff looks weird though, hence my question to him. I think I asked him a question?

Serela is whatever you want Serela to be
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 20, 2013, 06:38:21 AM
I'm too tired from lifting 60lb hay bales all day, I won't be able to post until tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 20, 2013, 06:39:01 AM
"Tomorrow" being figurative since it's already 2 AM.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 20, 2013, 07:09:14 AM
CONQ
YOU CAN PUT ALL THE WORDS IN ONE POST
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS
Also what do you think of a BT lynch, I think at least three of us have said he's vaguely weird, and I haven't mislynched him enough lately.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 07:31:19 AM
Depends on his response to me, really. I'm looking at the pool of Vhaltz/SB/BT right now. The Validon slot is going to be cleared up by the end of the day via modkill/replacement so it's useless to worry about that now.

Serela disappearing after asking for my opinion and not actually giving an opinion about who he wants to lynch is really frustrating. One day I will roll a vig and justice will be sweet.

Eh, I'm looking through SB again and I could see town!him potentially making that post given it's his first real content post of the game. I still don't like the vote and want his response to me but yeah after thinking it through BT's post is more likely to come from scum than SB's.

##Unvote
##Vote BT


Again, feels like he's riding the coattails of Vhaltz's argument since all of his points against me are basically borrowed from Vhaltz but without the benefit of having to respond to my rebuttal; at least Vhaltz is acknowledging my points while BT just kinda ignored they existed and said "yeah I agree with Vhaltz here etc"
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 20, 2013, 07:52:29 AM
Dormio told me sheeping Conq is a perfectly valid reason to vote someone.
##Vote: BT
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: SB on August 20, 2013, 09:44:47 AM
@Conq(114) I guess you revoted pretty quickly, but eh. I still have a bad feeling on it, and the person I was talking about was BT.

Also I wasn't aware CF was new. I guess I'm okay with him for now, considering. What I was getting at with the Serela townread is that outing your townreads at random is not good play, it just tells the mafia who makes better kill targets. You should also vote.

##Unvote

@BT(134): Both this post and the last have been mostly made on an ipod, making it kind of hard to go into great detail. Kinda sucky excuse but eh (and my puppy chewing my wrist this morning hasn't exactly improved matters.) If you want to clarify what you don't understand, feel free to ask though.

Also Prims does stupid shit as town too, for the record, so I consider it null as far as meta goes, scummy in general though (half the time we can't take cop guilties seriously any more, thanks to him.)

Don't like Serela's #145. He basically builds a case on NNR at the start but then says nah, and unvotes. His post is full of a lot of worthless stuff, such as the "I don't like slapfights or things that aren't exactly well explained (ie WHY my vote was wrong/the stuff on Prims) and never actually gives out any scumreads other than NNR who he refutes later on in that post and leaves with an empty unvote.

So Conq beat me to it, and I just saw the reply. So your basis of your suspicion on me is not having much of a read on a specific player who has a lot of posts? That's pretty weak imo, especially when you didn't back it up with your vote. You haven't exactly said much on Conq either, and most of the game are at a loss of what to think of the wall war between him and VM too. There's something I don't like about Conq, but I can't pin it down and I'm not gonna vote him when I myself don't even know why I feel that way about him.

@Conq's vote on me, I think I explained this elsewhere in this post but meh. Randomly outing townreads isn't a good idea (generally agreed on SF) because unless they're likely lynch candidates, the scumteam are more likely to kill someone who they know most of the game won't vote for them. And only picking out one thing out of around four pages doesn't seem weak to you, especially considering I wasn't aware that CF was a new player?

##Vote: Serela

Why do I keep trying to make content posts on this thing?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 10:18:51 AM
Mmm, makes sense if you didn't know he was new, (although I disagree about the outing townreads part, theory-wise I think it's fine to out townreads but that can be a discussion for another day). Only one suspicious thing out of four pages isn't that bad given I was struggling earlier as well; the important thing to me at least is that it looks like he's trying to get a hold of the game even if he's not very clear about how he's doing it.

Although what do you think about the wall war between me and VM now that you've mentioned it?

Yeah, I don't think I want to vote SB anymore, since that reply clears up my earlier gripes with him and I'm interested in seeing how Serela responds to his case.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 20, 2013, 11:28:22 AM
##Unvote

I'm quite lost right now so I need to reread the thread, but I have no time. I don't suspect Conqueror anymore, the only thing left that I suspected last time I posted were his reactions but I think he was being genuine. I think that the fact that he didn't reply to me should be a meaningful point; if he did feel the need to reply to me I'd think he'd just be faking his reaction, but since he didn't and focused on Vhaltz I think he's just defending himself. I have no reason to doubt that, so he's null to me now.

If I had to vote someone that'd be CF7. He's doing nothing and detaching himself from the game and while I don't think that's scum motivated it'd be nice to give him an incentive to post. And since I don't have suspicions on other players, well, why not? I just ask everybody not to hammer before I'm back (since both Vhaltz and I will be on a trip and back before the end of D1) and I can decide what to do with my vote. If I don't suspect anyone and he's still doing the same he's done until now I'll be fine with the lynch.

##Vote: CF7

I know he's a newbie, but since when are newbies allowed not to post and that's fine with everybody? Do you think that's going to do any good for him to learn, let alone for the game to progress?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 20, 2013, 12:11:20 PM
The way you keep trying to paint this as scum trying to bullshit his way out of a screw-up is why I don't like the way you're approaching the case. You've come to the conclusion that I'm scum and are presenting all my posts through that lens.

Well ditto. You're being overly focused on your OMGUS and are painting everything in my case as coming from scum trying to paint you as scum when town can make mistakes and/or be wrong. Looking at BT now everybody who puts down a vote on you seems to become a priority candidate to being scum and I'm baffled that an experienced player that does so well as scum can be as overly biased as this. Not implying that it makes you scum but having to deal with an OMGUS this aggressive is draining.


That said, whatever. I can only meta off the games I've read or played in, which are few, and everybody other than BT seems to be seeing town!Conq. We have a long trip later today and I don't have the time, conviction nor will to continue with the case right now. My earlier points don't stand anymore and I have difficulties parsing the tone, but there's nothing that indicates that Conq is town for me either as of yet, so null.

Dormio's case is D1 scumpairs and manipulation which makes me raise an eyebrow. I have nothing to say about the manipulation issue other than I was being pressed for time while writing it (Mitsuki wanted to go to sleep and I spent almost an hour writing it close to 2AM) and that it was a reaction to what I still think was an overblown OMGUS push against us. Still a better point than anything Conq and NNR have come up with though so it's probably genuine scumhunting. That aside, Dormio also seems to take special note on our comments on Validon being a defense when we've repeatedly clarified that we think of him as null.

Dividing up post for no more wall complaints.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 20, 2013, 12:11:41 PM
Priorities. Slight townreads so far are SB and Shadormio
I have trouble like everyone else in parsing how his priorities work since he pokes at multiple people in every post, but SB reads very similar to last game so I'm leaning town on him.

Shadormio is also fine so far, Dormio's latest case on us seems a little excessive in wording conviction for relatively weak points, possibly opportunistic at worst because this happens to be the point in the day that's core to wagon candidates consolidating, but his earlier posts are fine and Shadoweh reads town (don't think she'd :effort: on the NNR vote as scum, although I can't really remember last time I saw Shadoweh!scum. BT, Conq, how are you reading Shadoweh?).

About BT, I thought it was slightly town-telling that he said he was shifting priorities for the remainder of D1 but then poppid in to switch off our wagon onto a less-likely-to-be-lynched target (Conq). Mitsuki and I could've been a main wagon for the day at that point if he had decided to park his vote on us since NNR can be stubborn and Conq was pushing hard for our lynch. I know scum sometimes decide to stay off main wagons to avoid raising suspicion but I'm not sure how well that would work in a 9p game with maximum 2 mafia. I don't have much experience in the way of optimal mafia strategy since I've never rolled scum before so I could see myself being wrong about this, do tell if you think so.

Conq case was the best I had so secondary scumspects are pretty subpar if I say so myself. I'm not having the time to reread as often as last game and living together with somebody else means I can't schedule things and tell you guys when I'm gone ahead of time like I usually do.

Serela's "slapfights and walls are bad guys :C" antics read flufftastic and he seems to be using them as an excuse to not play beyond complaining about them. The only thing I've seen him do close to scumhunting is his NNR vote over "Validon wagon is silly and he jumped on it" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009910.html#msg1009910). Upon dropping the vote at the end of the post, he says he has to re-weigh opinions like he had a meaningful and weightful case to reconsider which he clearly stated himself was not the case. He's basically just standing there and flapping his arms over the walls shenanigans while not voting anybody or doing much of anything.
Mitsuki voted CF7 instead but let me ##FoS: Serela
You ask us to be clear about our opinions but you've given none yourself. I don't know where your priorities stand nor whom you've ever thought was scum since the NNR vote was pretty much a votepark instead of a vote with intent to lynch scum.


Dunno about CF7, want to see more posts from him.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 20, 2013, 12:21:20 PM
Ugh. I'm having a really really busy day at work. Also i wanted to type a wall of text myself, but really don't have the time for it atm.
In as few words as possible.
I think that Shadoweh/Dormio is most likely town because there's nothing in their posts that looks scummy to me.
Conqueror is also likely a townie.
Kind of suspecting Vhaltz/Mitsuki for overreacting with to somewhat trivial matter. And i think it's kind of a scummy behaviour.
After reading through Serela's post actually make me suspect him. There's almost nothing constructive, at least for this stage of day 1.
NNR is likely town, but i read something, that i can't quite put into words, but well. There's something that irks me off.
SB. Not sure. But judging from his posts i think he's probably a town.
BT not quite sure. Will looks through his posts some more.
And lastly Validon is not here.

So. I'm willing to vote Serela or Vhaltz/Mitsuki.
If this post looks kind of rushed, it was written during a 15 minute coffee break.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 20, 2013, 12:33:06 PM
That aside, Dormio also seems to take special note on our comments on Validon being a defense when we've repeatedly clarified that we think of him as null.
Mainly that she attempts to defend her position and states that she never gave a clear, nor implied one, towards Validon.
However, doesn't stating that a particular type of behaviour is typical of a player while voting for another player that attacks the aforementioned player for that behaviour contradict that statement? Mitsuki tries to dismiss this as holding a neutral stance, but in that case, why did she feel the need to defend Validon so?
I get that you've stated your opinion of Validon as being neutral, but as I asked in my previous post, why bother defending Validon in that case?
To what extent and purpose did you do this? Why do you want to actively try to prevent the lynch of someone that you have no read on?

If I had to vote someone that'd be CF7. He's doing nothing and detaching himself from the game and while I don't think that's scum motivated it'd be nice to give him an incentive to post. And since I don't have suspicions on other players, well, why not? I just ask everybody not to hammer before I'm back (since both Vhaltz and I will be on a trip and back before the end of D1) and I can decide what to do with my vote. If I don't suspect anyone and he's still doing the same he's done until now I'll be fine with the lynch.
:wat:
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 20, 2013, 12:42:04 PM
Gotta leave very shortly.

I can't fully answer to that question myself since it was Mitsuki's post but I figure she just wanted to contribute to RVS somehow.
Also Mitsuki clarified your second quote at the end of her last post. Keep in mind that she is also a pretty new player.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 20, 2013, 12:42:45 PM
To ending RVS I mean.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 20, 2013, 12:49:01 PM
That doesn't explain why CF7 is scummier than anyone else that's providing very little content. Like Serela. Or NNR. Or SB. Or Validon.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 20, 2013, 01:19:01 PM
Did you read her post?

It's essentially a prodvote to get more content from CF7 because there's no time for rereading. I know it kind of defeats the purpose when you actually say it's a prodvote but this is a common thing in the spanish forums I sometimes host mafia games in. Well, the difference being that this time around she said she will have lynch intent later on if there's no content provided.
She has nothing else to go on right now. We just came back from lunch and the last two days have been very pressed for time so no time for rereads. If my laptop battery doesn't die too soon in our trip we might do some rereading now while traveling (the reason why I missed your question is also because I was skimreading at points this morning to get posts done before lunch).
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 20, 2013, 01:27:35 PM
And I'm asking what differentiates CF7 from the other non-contributors.
Why is CF7 more worthy of the vote than the others?
Why is there a willingness to lynch CF7 without so much as a mention of the other non-contributors?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 20, 2013, 01:30:43 PM
Because there's no pressure at all on him? (o_o;
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 20, 2013, 01:30:55 PM
If by chance there's some lurker following the thread they should probably replace me. I'll be proddodging through the rest of the day otherwise.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: SB on August 20, 2013, 02:10:47 PM
I said that Serela seems to be a townie.
Considering Shadoweh/Dormio. First there's some sort of RVS/Joke Serela wagon. Then NNR wagon started by Serela, joined by Conq, and then there's this Shadoweh post.For me it's not a townie vote at all. It's pretty random and looks like scum jumping on an easy wagon.
And this is my first game on this forum. I don't know people's meta. I'm just judging things as i see them.
Ugh. I'm having a really really busy day at work. Also i wanted to type a wall of text myself, but really don't have the time for it atm.
In as few words as possible.
I think that Shadoweh/Dormio is most likely town because there's nothing in their posts that looks scummy to me.
Conqueror is also likely a townie.
Kind of suspecting Vhaltz/Mitsuki for overreacting with to somewhat trivial matter. And i think it's kind of a scummy behaviour.
After reading through Serela's post actually make me suspect him. There's almost nothing constructive, at least for this stage of day 1.
NNR is likely town, but i read something, that i can't quite put into words, but well. There's something that irks me off.
SB. Not sure. But judging from his posts i think he's probably a town.
BT not quite sure. Will looks through his posts some more.
And lastly Validon is not here.

So. I'm willing to vote Serela or Vhaltz/Mitsuki.
If this post looks kind of rushed, it was written during a 15 minute coffee break.

Warning - while you were typing 2 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Hi there contradictions. I can sort of understand the Serela thing since his read is based off of a new post, but the Dormio thing is a blatant contradiction.

As for the Conq/VM interactions, I'm not sure what to make of them, honestly. I have a gut feeling that Conq is scum but he's refuting the arguments pretty well so I can't really pin anything down honestly. Not sure on VM either. And I'd say that the townreads thing (seeing outing them as scummy or not) is more of a culture difference than anything else.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 20, 2013, 02:32:56 PM
SB, don't you think that my thoughts on who's scum and who is not can change? There's almost a whole day difference between these 2 posts. -_-
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 20, 2013, 02:58:09 PM
Reading (aka another post soon), but FTR I don't get SB's "contradictions from CF7" thing at all.

Oh no, he... changed an ED1 read on someone after a day's worth of content occured? >_>
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 20, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
I'm not sure what to call it, so I'll call it the Serela Vountcount 1.6

BT (2) -  Conq/PX, Shadoweh/Dormio
CF7 (1) - Vhaltz/Mituski
Validon (0) -
Serela (2) - Validon, SB
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (1) - BT
NNR (0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (1) - NNR
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) -   

Not Voting (2) - CF7, Serela

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

23 hours left!
Day 1 Deadline Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130821T0940&p0=179&msg=Day+1+Deadline#)

Validon's slot will be modkilled if I don't find a replacement by deadline!11!11!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: SB on August 20, 2013, 03:10:27 PM
He said that one of Shadoweh's posts was scummy, but apparently that post isn't any more, with no reasoning behind it? That's what I don't like.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 20, 2013, 03:13:05 PM
Quote
Vhaltz/Serela
ActionDan what

fixed. Serela Serela Serela Serela. K out of system

SB, I see that now I suppose o:
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 20, 2013, 03:30:37 PM
Re:Case on me (because I see Conq wanted a response and since people tend to >:c if you ignore them), it's pretty true? Yeah this is why normally I wouldn't have responded.

To put it bluntly, I hadn't gotten responses from the people I wanted responses from (and even Conq didn't explain anything about the vote HE WAS ACTUALLY VOTING FOR because he wanted them to respond to him first) so I went to bed instead.

NNR and and BT are both ducking out for D1?  :fail: Literally a third of the players are not present. You guys are prepared for super happy consolidation funtimes, right? Anyway, moving on.

Quote
I know he's a newbie, but since when are newbies allowed not to post and that's fine with everybody?
Mitsuki wut? He's posting, you might be misinterpreting the amount due to the fact that you were busy having a wall fight with Conq and bloating up the thread. Looking back over posts, Dormio's #171 pretty adequately explains the :idonteven: going on with this vote. After the silly wallwar they just drop Conq and go for... this really weird vote that Mitsuki even admits doesn't feel scummy but let's lynch it kthnx?

It's later defended as being a prodvote for pressure, but CF7 posts again after. Mitsuki+Vhaltz both are around and posting after CF7, but Vhaltz just passes the respond-to-CF7 stick to Mitsuki (which in this case is justified) and Mitsuki posts but... just kinda ignores it and lets her vote sit on CF7. Wut?

It's hard to interpret BT's post because, as he admits, it's a mess; ontop of that I don't like how the wagon on him is "he feels kind of weird I guess, so we should lynch him?" with a question mark, especially considering that yes, he had little time so it was indeed a mess. Unfortunately, since he's not supposed to really be back around until D2, there's not really room for following up either; but I definitely don't like that wagon right now.

Conq is jumping around everywhere but I'm not sure I can actually see a decent reason to vote him (It's hard to :effort: through all the walls anyway) and I'd maybe consider voting NNR but he's -also- vanished so I can't ask him for opinions either. Yeah, this seems pretty cut and dry here.

##Vote Vhaltzuki

Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 20, 2013, 06:06:01 PM
He said that one of Shadoweh's posts was scummy, but apparently that post isn't any more, with no reasoning behind it? That's what I don't like.
Well i misjudged them. I reread their posts then i dismissed it as an odd vote.
And i guess i should vote too, since it's close to time limit. ##Vote Vhaltz/Mitsuki for the reasons i stated before.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 20, 2013, 08:34:39 PM
Ok, we're back from our trip now and we haven't read anything new in the past 7 hours or so. However, we wrote something with what we had (Vhaltz left some tabs open on his laptop). Here's what I got:


ABOUT CF7

SEEMS THAT VOTING HIM WAS THE RIGHT THING AFTER ALL!
Ok, I've done an ISO read about him. Let's see what I got:

After reading Conq/BT i'm actually thinking that Conq is a townie. Not Sure about BT. And i still think that Shadoweh/Dormio is scum.
##Unvote for now.

Here CF7 thinks Shadormio is scum but doesn't vote for them. Instead, he unvotes Serela (his RVS vote) and lets it be.

Considering Shadoweh/Dormio. First there's some sort of RVS/Joke Serela wagon. Then NNR wagon started by Serela, joined by Conq, and then there's this Shadoweh post.For me it's not a townie vote at all. It's pretty random and looks like scum jumping on an easy wagon.

Okay, here we have some reasoning regarding Shadormio and why he thinks they're scum. He still doesn't vote.
Vhaltz says he was told that he shouldn't be afraid of voting, but I haven't actually looked that up.

I think that Shadoweh/Dormio is most likely town because there's nothing in their posts that looks scummy to me.
Conqueror is also likely a townie.
Kind of suspecting Vhaltz/Mitsuki for overreacting with to somewhat trivial matter. And i think it's kind of a scummy behaviour.
After reading through Serela's post actually make me suspect him. There's almost nothing constructive, at least for this stage of day 1.
NNR is likely town, but i read something, that i can't quite put into words, but well. There's something that irks me off.
SB. Not sure. But judging from his posts i think he's probably a town.
BT not quite sure. Will looks through his posts some more.
And lastly Validon is not here.

So. I'm willing to vote Serela or Vhaltz/Mitsuki.
If this post looks kind of rushed, it was written during a 15 minute coffee break.

And here's the relevant part! Here sweet dear CF7 says that he thinks Shadormio is town because there's nothing in his posts that makes them look scummy, even when he gave reasoning before and that's quite the only thing he's done in this game prior to this post. Do I need to explain why this is scummy?
Also, guess who his new scumspects are? Popular targets, Serela and us. Quite convenient.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 20, 2013, 08:40:17 PM
Okay so I just remembered Serela asked for a summary of my Conq case and Shadoweh asked if he used rage to ignore points.

@Shadoweh rage part. I guess I didn't mean rage as much as I meant being very aggressive? I don't think he's ignored my points so far but that's only one side of the coin, your experience with Endymion was bad because of that particular trick he pulled on you, but he was also overly aggressive when dealing with the whole Baron Vladmu roleplay issue.


@Serela summary part. Here's the summary I made earlier and a few clarifications.

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So my main issues with you are 1) how your thought process on Validon is unclear in-thread until the ~potentially made up a posteriori explanation~. It's convenient for scum to switch onto weak townie that's a potential D1 lynch early on. And 2) weird restatement of the earlier white knighting that's blown out of proportion in revote along with a poke on an irrelevant question, which makes me feel like it's all just filler for a scum-motivated vote to make it look nice.

Point 1 refers to posts #36 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009409.html#msg1009409), #57 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009444.html#msg1009444) and #79 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009482.html#msg1009482). Conq suspects Validon but decides not to follow up on it because meta, he then proceeds to vote him later without mentioning that he discarded the meta because it was a bad clear. His explanation is that he was voting you but then you stopped looking bad and the next best thing was Validon because he had done a scummy thing after all and the meta clear only made it null at best. The explanation came later when being questioned about it instead of in the posts relevant to the votes and that's what I thought was scummy.

Point 2 refers to posts 37 and 79. I only remembered one of the questions in 37 when I made the case and I was ??? as to why Conq wanted Validon to reply to the question "can't scum also get driven to L-1 in ED1?". The only other thing in his 79 was saying the white knighting stuff again only in a way that made it sound scummier (imo) so I thought he was fluffing up his post so that the revote didn't look bad. The explanation to this one is that there was another more relevant question in 37 I missed("why does Shadormio lynch scream mislynch to you?") and it makes more sense that he'd want a reply to that.

You might notice that part of each point still kind of stands but it was the adding up of things as a whole that made Conq!scum a possibility in my head. Maintaining that he's scum at this point in the game after all he's posted based on only those two small details and tone would be terrible scumhunting when I can't quite meta properly.


*: here's the actual thing he said just in case my summarizing makes it look worse or something
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Your case on me is literally that I didn't mention discarding this meta when I revoted Validon, but that doesn't even matter at all because the meta point I brought up was "something Validon did that was scummy could be a null tell." Yes, but that still makes it something scummy that he did. I initially stayed away from voting Validon because I thought his behavior would be alignment irrelevant and opted to vote Serela instead. Once I didn't feel comfortable with a Serela vote anymore, I decided that the meta point wasn't enough for me to avoid a Validon vote over Serela, and in any case I wanted clarification from him.

post split for readability
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 20, 2013, 08:41:19 PM
Rereading I'm not sure what to make of Conq's replies to be honest. He's interpreting anything I say that's an alternate interpretation of what he posted (such as -Validon meta = clear as town- versus -Validon meta = clear as null-, which several people in the game have been misinterpreting in our case) as an attempt to paint him as scum, coming from scum.

Trying to find a quotable example for this I stumbled upon a thing that is a thing.

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Again, point me out where I meta'd Validon as town. It's like what Mitsuki did earlier in the game when she said "Validon always does this," or something to that effect. Never did I meta Validon as town, and the way you're painting this as a complete 180 is just misrepping/misinterpreting (depending on your alignment) the entire situation.

Nobody in the game cares to read the slapfight closely other than Conq and myself, so Conq could've perfectly gotten away with taking advantage of the situation and go all out in trying to paint me as scum, there's no reason that he'd throw in some waffles about being unconvinced about our alignment midway. What I mean to say is that it doesn't make sense that this waffle is here if the whole aggressive overreaction was staged on purpose to make Mitsuki and I look like scummy mcscumlords. Towniest read so far.

PD: Haven't read beyond #177 and barely read the posts before that since we were almost running out the door.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 20, 2013, 08:42:08 PM
IRC tells me Serela s totally not a dude so I'm going to totally use either one until one of them turns out wrong
Also it turns out I didn't get any sleep last night so I've been really drowsy all day and been trying to sleep rather then use my computer.
Also :college: is a thing now again.

Hey NNR did you read my reply to Conq because I don't think you did.

It's not the change in opinion, changes in opinion happen, sure, but in switching his read he never mentioned how or why the readswitch happened at the time he voted. Twice. If at one point you say somebody's post is bad but meta him town, and then you change your mind about the meta and decide to vote him instead, that's a 180? turn so it's natural and common sense that you'd explain why you changed your mind at the time of the vote. Conq didn't explain until much later which feels like trying to cover up for a screw up.
This is kind of hypocritical since your other half is arguing the same opposite thing about a meta-related FoS.

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Also your view of Validon!scum is clearly making you biased towards Conq's side in a ConqvsUs discussion because he dislikes Validon whereas we think he's null. This is specially clear when your reasons behind your vote on us are extremely subpar. The only mention you make of my points is that you half-understand them and wrote out something as obvious as that people change their minds and that it doesn't make them scummy, when this is barely scratching the surface of the reasoning behind my Conq case (which is barely ED1 strong as it is so this should not be hard).
...what? ...Biased? I don't have anyone as town yet, and I'm not going to defend Conq at this point to try and lynch you, I'm going to lynch you if you're scummy. I disagree with your opinion that Conq's voteswitches have been scummy so far and I think your reasons for voting him are reaching a bit too far.

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Your only valid point may be Mitsuki's issue with Conq's continued suspicion on you, which she has since conceded because she misread (I remind you that English is not her mother tongue). I advise that you read our posts and the thread again and update your case/vote.
I can accept a misunderstanding, at least.

I don't really see BT's case either. Conq's "How is this not town!Conq?" post would be objectionable if it wasn't really just him bringing out a past case of him dropping meta reasons, which I still agree with whether or not he made it obvious he dropped the meta. TBH I don't think his late Validon vote is that bad either, if he wasn't going to respond to it it might as well have been like Serela in Adorable Mafia where an early scumslip became a major deal that might be worth sticking to for the whole day.

I'm still reading but I'll post this block so that i don't continue to look gone. I have to ride a bus home as well so I will actually be gone for more time.

EDIT: HOLY SHIT FIREFOX SAVED THE POST DATA AMAZING
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 20, 2013, 08:43:57 PM
I'll be present for deadline btw
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 20, 2013, 09:06:47 PM
... I wrote practically the same case than SB, yay

Serela, maybe the answer to why I did that is I had no time yet everyone was putting pressure on us asking questions and telling us to do impossible things with the little time we had?
Please don't skip parts of my post just like that, you should see the post as a whole and not only pick some points and forget about the context in which it's written. You're only going to be biased otherwise.


Well i misjudged them. I reread their posts then i dismissed it as an odd vote.
And i guess i should vote too, since it's close to time limit. ##Vote Vhaltz/Mitsuki for the reasons i stated before.

Well, could you at least say what you're interpreting as an overreaction so that we can at least explain what happened? You just stated that (which is really weak reasoning btw, as lots of people have overreacted in this game so far and I don't think neither Vhaltz or I are one of those. Scum or not, you're only focusing on us because it's convenient - groupthink) and gave no clue on what you meant. So I ask you: from what we did, what do you think is an overreaction? And why do you think it's scummy? I think town are the ones that overreact more, by the way, unless the overreaction is faked to gain towncred (as we thought about Conqueror at some point).
CF7's behaviour just now is very scummy in my opinion, so in addition to my/SB's case I'm totally fine with my vote.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 20, 2013, 09:23:29 PM
This is kind of hypocritical since your other half is arguing the same opposite thing about a meta-related FoS.

I did warn at the start of the game that we were each going to post our individual opinions, and later restated again that I'm barely going over Mitsuki's posts for language issues. I was also focused on clarifying and pushing my Conq case back at the time of the post you quote.

I also asked you not to take things personally but you seem to have done so judging from your misunderstanding comment. Dude, don't do that.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 20, 2013, 09:26:19 PM
I guess I'll reply to Serela better:

Mitsuki wut? He's posting, you might be misinterpreting the amount due to the fact that you were busy having a wall fight with Conq and bloating up the thread. Looking back over posts, Dormio's #171 pretty adequately explains the :idonteven: going on with this vote. After the silly wallwar they just drop Conq and go for... this really weird vote that Mitsuki even admits doesn't feel scummy but let's lynch it kthnx?

Serela, I wasn't the one to have the wall fight, Vhaltz and I are different people. (o_o;
In any case, I had no reads back then. In any case, there was no pressure on CF7 and nobody was doing anything about it. "He's a newbie" isn't an excuse. So I did the best I could with my vote, I voted for the null who nobody was pressuring and who had no content (except for their past suspicions on Shadormio and some unexplained reads). Why is that suspicious? What would you have done if you couldn't have gone back to reread and everybody was pressuring you for content for some reason?
Serela's vote is quite weak too, I think he's just picking up a few things selectively from my posts that reinforce an opinion he had before while not looking at the context nor the whole picture (that or he's scum doing that on purpose, he's still null to me).
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 09:31:23 PM
preliminary quick skim of the thread and this is going to sound kinda weird with what i've said right before but i dont think i really want to lynch vhaltz anymore. would really prefer bt lynch by a long shot. also polaris hurry up and replace in for validon you bum.

i dont actually think cf7 is scum, really, just inexperienced town. there's no way for me to really defend this but a lot of the things he's doing can be attributed to someone who's just not that good at explaining stuff. i wouldnt cry terribly at his lynch but i really really think there are better lynch candidates. like bt. or maybe even serela (gasp).

serela's vote on vhaltz/mitsuki hydra looks like he's taking advantage of the fact they said they were busy and not able to read the thread. the reasons for suspecting vhaltz/mitsuki over bt are also pretty bad imo. at least vhaltz/mitsuki are making an effort in switching from a vote they acknowledge they dont feel comfortable with and going with something they think might hit scum. i know the feeling - it's like the serela wagon in the last game, or any number of lurker wagons in like every game ever (the most example that comes to mind most easily for me is the rawr wagon in path of radiance). i may not agree with the vote but it's an effort. generally starting a last minute lurker wagon is a null tell for me but vhaltz/mitsuki's recent posting kinda makes me feel better about them.

It's hard to interpret BT's post because, as he admits, it's a mess; ontop of that I don't like how the wagon on him is "he feels kind of weird I guess, so we should lynch him?" with a question mark, especially considering that yes, he had little time so it was indeed a mess. Unfortunately, since he's not supposed to really be back around until D2, there's not really room for following up either; but I definitely don't like that wagon right now.

the vote on bt isn't just because he's weird. like i said, while vhaltz/mitsuki was getting involved in the wall war with me bt basically swoops in from the side, says he agrees with a few points that vhaltz makes, and then votes me for reasons he states are scattered throughout his post but really dont add up to anything. you say vhaltz/mitsuki's vote in cf7 is just a prodvote for pressure? yes, but it has a potential to start a lynch wagon and vhaltz/mitsuki are making valid, if I think misguided, points about cf7's play. meanwhile what is bt's vote doing and why is it there? sure, bt is busy, but scum can be busy too. if vhaltz/mitsuki's vote on cf7 is a prodvote then what are you going to categorize bt's vote on me as, given that he never acknowledged any of my replies to vhaltz's arguments?

also serela what happened to your initial suspicion of sb; both me and sb prod at it and then suddenly when it's time for you to state your suspicions in your vote post it's completely disappeared without a mention. i get the gut feeling it's because i said i wasnt interested in an sb lynch and that's why you're not attempting to pursue it anymore, preferring to go for juicier targets.

and now that im on this subject serela it's very strange that you take the time to chastise me and vhaltz/mitsuki for the wall war (without mentioning that you think either of us are scummy) and then after vhaltz/mitsuki drop the wall war to pursue another vote serela pounces on them for that. i mean i get what's suspicious about pursuing a low-content player at the end of the day when all your reads are shot, but at the same time i've done it as town so many times before (and ive seen other townies do it plenty of times) that i think serela's reasoning is just really really lazy.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 20, 2013, 09:45:03 PM
...But I'll grant that things are getting increasingly disjointed with two independent posting heads not reaching agreements about content.

I think I'll just stop posting as an independent hydra head altogether to help with reading our slot properly. There's also how it's not particularly fun to play with people taking things personally, I've been inclined to think my playing style's at fault for a while since the Dormio thing happened last game, but everything was fine in my exchanges with BBM and Conq last game so ???. I guess I'll ask for feedback on that when the game is over. I'm might be making too big a deal out of it since I've been somewhat frustrated with the game for a while but I still think it's best to quit posting and be a regular hydra.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 20, 2013, 09:48:44 PM
I thought Vhaltz would reply to NNR but oh well. I'm a little bit frustrated but I'm also having fun. I don't undrstand how that's possible (?_o)

This is kind of hypocritical since your other half is arguing the same opposite thing about a meta-related FoS.

Hey, different people think different! Why should not agreeing between us be scummy? It makes no sense.

...what? ...Biased? I don't have anyone as town yet, and I'm not going to defend Conq at this point to try and lynch you, I'm going to lynch you if you're scummy. I disagree with your opinion that Conq's voteswitches have been scummy so far and I think your reasons for voting him are reaching a bit too far.

Vhaltz and I don't think Conqueror is scum anymore, so at least we agree on that! Anyways, I remind you that townies can be wrong too.
I don't exactly remember what Vhaltz said about Conqueror, but Vhaltz is kind of a tryhard so he always pushes his cases quite far. I recommend you reading some of last game and you'll see what I mean. In any case, that's not something scummy for him to do, that's just his playing style.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 20, 2013, 09:55:38 PM
Mind you I'm still very much in no place to commit to game involvement but I HAVE been following me-related things.

All I'll say is that, if Conq's town, he should realize that my not involving myself in things is exactly because I was busy. That's the point. Had I the time I totally would have made an organized case with references to everything. Doing so had even the potential to change my opinion but obviously I can't know that until I catch up in a day or two. My vote was guided (still is) by my general, hazy feels at the time and that's the best I could have done, as either alignment, so you making a point about how me being busy is non-alignment-indicative and then claiming that this point IS is plain faulty.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 20, 2013, 09:57:24 PM
I mean really, you're just saying my vote is incomplete, right? Obviously it is.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 20, 2013, 10:01:52 PM
Quote from: Conq
also serela what happened to your initial suspicion of sb
I was homing in on him during my rereading after the talk of CF7 contradictions but then he responded to me and I went "oh that actually makes sense :c" and dropped it.

His earlier post was kind of weird but I wouldn't just lynch him for it. Then again, the other lynch candidates aren't exactly glorious either

Quote from: Vhaltz
...But I'll grant that things are getting increasingly disjointed with two independent posting heads not reaching agreements about content.
After the current issue starting to pop up of your slot having two heads thinking significantly different things and practically working independently of eachother this does sound kind of nice >_> When Mitsuki replied to me saying "...but that was my other head o.o;" for the first time I went "AUGH HYDRAS". In the past I'm used to them basically working in cooperation and being treatable as a single person.

Conq's explanation of the BT vote makes better sense, since the other person on there is literally just sheeping him I didn't really have much of an impression to get on the wagon without the better explanation of why he was voting BT. Still not exactly wanting to get on the BT wagon but I don't actively dislike it anymore

NNR is around hooray!

Re:Vhaltz on Conq, oh. So it was basically a big pile of misunderstandings. Well that happens! Also, in general, their combined responses pretty much dispel most of what I didn't like about them >_> I don't agree with their (Mitsuki's?) conclusion on CF7 still, but their actions actually make sense now.

That being said I still think their slot is off and I'm still totally okay with lynching them; but admittedly I'm also looking for other people to lynch now because I'm not as excited about a VM lynch as I was before >> I'm going to do some more rereading.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 10:18:11 PM
I mean really, you're just saying my vote is incomplete, right? Obviously it is.

If you're paying attention to the game, then you know enough to see that your vote isn't doing anything on me and unless you make an effort to state why I'm scum then I'm not going to be lynched. If you're town, you know that parking your vote on me at this juncture does nothing. So either you take the time to put in the effort and try to lynch me, or you move your vote to someone else you think is scummy that you might want lynched. If you're town, I'd imagine that you'd at least mention any other suspects given the looming deadline (and really, if you're just going by gut feels, then why don't you talk about gut feels about anyone other than me?). So how's this: take a minute to think about those hazy feels and tell me who you think is scum (besides me, apparently), because the fact that you can pop in and defend yourself means you can also pop in to look at the other wagons to see if you find any of them scummy. Or do you not care that there is a wagon upon you and enough people have indicated suspicion on you that you could be lynched?

For the record, I'm sure you're busy, but your case was (and is) bad and the fact that again, you completely ignore anything I've said in response is scummy.

"But I haven't read any of your responses because I'm busy," I'm pretty sure you're going to say. Okay, so how's this. Why do you think I'm scum? In your own words.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 10:21:05 PM
EBWOP: Alternatively, you could talk about who else you think is scum, which is probably more useful at this junction and the answer to which I'm more interested in anyway.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 20, 2013, 10:24:59 PM
*juncture
stupid english
but yeah give me a quick reads list bt
it doesnt have to be comprehensive or have extensive reasoning
just gimme where you stand on gut, it'll only take a minute
i want to see where your reads stand instead of the current situation where you're just harping on me
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 20, 2013, 10:45:02 PM
Replacement Vountcount 1.7

BT (2) -  Conq/PX, Shadoweh/Dormio
CF7 (1) - Vhaltz/Mituski
Validon (0) -
Serela (2) - Validon, SB
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (1) - BT
NNR (0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (3) - NNR, Serela, CF7
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) -   

Vhaltz/Mitsuki are at L-2!
Not Voting (0) -

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

Validon is being replaced by Polaris! Effective immediately!

Deadline extended by 24/(9-1) = 3 hours! to make up lost time

~18 hours left!
Day 1 Deadline Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130821T1240&p0=179)


Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Polaris on August 20, 2013, 10:49:14 PM
I request this game's title is changed to You Don't Know Who Will Join Next! Mafia.

sounds about right :derp:
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Polaris on August 20, 2013, 10:58:01 PM
posting based on feelings i got from just skimming the game quickly. too lazy to read in detail (▰˘◡˘▰)

##Unvote
##Vote Serela


vote stays on serela-tan because seriously serela, are you just scum all the time these days or do i just have a personal vendetta against you ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌

i don't understand the votes on micchan (probably because i didn't read closely enough) but tbh i'm not feeling a micchan lynch right now. ( ・ω・)

last wagon is captain beatty except i'm not feeling the wagon on beatty-kun either ( ・ω・)

the gray areas for me right now are banana-kun and CF7 but they aren't the best choices for wagon consolidation right now. i.... i think we should be consolidating wagons at least? (╯3╰)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Polaris on August 20, 2013, 11:05:30 PM
more on serela-tan: serela-tan just reads apathetic re: scumhunting to me which i generally associate with scum!serela because lack of effort in scumhunting is pretty scummy. or maybe serela-tan just got character development when i wasn't looking and now i don't know what his meta is anymore. ☆〜(ゝ。∂) <<< kind of a combination gut/meta read but oh well.

i'll look at beatty-kun and micchan again to see if i feel anything more but don't expect anything mindblowing (╯3╰)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 20, 2013, 11:09:24 PM
Reading some responses to my earlier post before I go back to where I was earlier in the thread.

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I did warn at the start of the game that we were each going to post our individual opinions, and later restated again that I'm barely going over Mitsuki's posts for language issues. I was also focused on clarifying and pushing my Conq case back at the time of the post you quote.

I also asked you not to take things personally but you seem to have done so judging from your misunderstanding comment. Dude, don't do that.
First of all, you two are in the same player slot, so I generally expect you're going to be agreeing on most points, considering you share a vote. As earlier, if you wanted to have a different opinion, you should have taken your own player slot. I guess this point doesn't matter, however, since you seem to have already picked up on the point.

Second, the assumption that I am personally offended by any posts is not correct. Flabbergasted? Maybe. Offended? Why would I be? Mafia isn't  a good place to be getting angry anyway (as I have helpfully demonstrated anyway several times).

In any case neither of these points are very good rebuttals to my criticism.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 20, 2013, 11:19:13 PM
Are you telling us how to think and behave? Because I want to do different. I don't think your criticism on those points is scumhunting.

So, what is your case now? And what are your opinions on the rest of the game?


Yay, Polaris-kun-sama-san-chan is here \(owo)/
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 20, 2013, 11:20:09 PM
Wait this was supposed to be a Mitsuki post. WHY IS YOUR ACCOUNT LOGGED IN ON MY MOTHER'S COMPUTER VHALTZ? (@A@)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 20, 2013, 11:22:44 PM
Are you telling us how to think and behave? Because I want to do different. I don't think your criticism on those points is scumhunting.

So, what is your case now? And what are your opinions on the rest of the game?


Yay, Polaris-kun-sama-san-chan is here \(owo)/

I'm quoting this post which was made by me in Vhaltz's account for ISO purposes.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Polaris on August 20, 2013, 11:32:16 PM
micchan please, you only need to call me with one honorific ☆〜(ゝ。∂) no need to go overboard

also zzzzzz beatty-kun just has so many words and i'm really too lazy to read them (T▽T) just from a quick skimthrough i'm going to assume all he did is slapfight with conqkyun and micchan about some pointless things since i can't see any scumhunting there. is it because of his other, real-life priorities? or could there be a much darker, more sinister side of beatty-kun that we have yet to see.... ( ・ω・) (tl;dr too many words, not enough scumhunting, but ambivalent b/c ~*~priorities~*~) would at least like a response to conqkyun's question since that'll resolve this pretty neatly.

i was going to say conqkyun isn't much better in re the whole slapfight thing but i guess he is getting out more content as far as i can tell. you're off the hook this time ( ?・‿-)~

i don't feel like reading micchan because of temporary double-headed syndrome. it looks like it's been taken care of, but unfortunately the past cannot be changed. (T▽T) i still don't think there's anything wrong with micchan though
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 21, 2013, 12:11:23 AM
polaris how sure are you about serela scum?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Polaris on August 21, 2013, 12:16:33 AM
(http://puu.sh/46QhO.png)

like 66 percent `_`

66 being an arbitrary number x such that scumminess-factor of p for the set of all players {p | p != serela, p != polaris} is less than x
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Polaris on August 21, 2013, 12:17:35 AM
i don't know why i put p != polaris in there seeing as my own scumminess factor is less than serela's. *ROLLS EYES*
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 01:00:23 AM
Are you telling us how to think and behave? Because I want to do different. I don't think your criticism on those points is scumhunting.

So, what is your case now? And what are your opinions on the rest of the game?


Yay, Polaris-kun-sama-san-chan is here \(owo)/
If you're going to be playing as a team, then saying the other head is a separate entity is pointless, because either I have to suspect both of you or neither of you, and you both being contradictory and trying to defend it only makes you both less reliable.

Your posts have been a bit too on the emotional side as well. Your accusations that I'm getting offended or that others are "leaving you with no D1 cases to pursue" aren't making me want to back off either, and don't particularly look like frustrated townie responses moreso then scum trying to guilt-trip people off your case.

Your meta arguments from earlier are not only contradictory, but neither of them make sense. You claim your use of Validon meta was "neutral" but why did you defend him with meta in the first place? Your insisting that Conq was scum for dropping the meta contradicts statements your other head made, and you rampantly push it over better reasons you could be coming up with to vote Conq, which screams desperate "scumhunting" efforts on your part.

After enough pushing, one of you finally drops Conq to persue the lurker newbie, which is a pretty lame out to take. The other one FoS's Serela, who actually has been posting, but your vote doesn't change (only then does CF7 conveniently come back so you can push him more). A prodvote this late in the day is at best a desperate park, imo.

Anyway I'm still pretty happy with my vote, all things considered. I need to look into Serela more though, and maybe BT since I don't have a really comprehensive opinion on him (although my gut leans scum)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 04:19:16 AM
Going to bed. Will definitely be back before deadline, even if it's only by like one hour.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 06:06:25 AM
Conq you're expecting from me things that I don't have the time for.

"Following the thread" in this case is ignoring most of the posts that don't seem to be addressing me, and even when that doesn't happen I usually just skim the important part and that's it.

You're voting me for things which are caused directly by a non-alignment-indicative problem. I feel like none of those points would have existed given a different situation.

As things stand I'll finally have my plate full when it's two hours from deadline, which won't be enough. Do what you will with that information.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Polaris on August 21, 2013, 07:07:55 AM
well i'd like to announce to y'all that i will not, in fact, be available at the deadline ( ゚ Д゚)so i hope you guys can get things done in my absence.

now i'm not saying we should lynch serela-tan, but i think we should lynch serela-tan. ლ(╹◡╹ლ) i honestly don't think either micchan or beatty-kun are worse than serela-tan at this point, and like those are the only viable wagons so i'm not even going to touch on anyone else for now.

so yeah. i don't really have anything new to offer. sorry.  (▰˘◡˘▰)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: SB on August 21, 2013, 07:38:53 AM
Will be around for deadline, but right now I just can't catch up till my puppy stops trying o chew me and goes to sleep. Shouldb't be long though.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 21, 2013, 09:18:22 AM
And here's the relevant part! Here sweet dear CF7 says that he thinks Shadormio is town because there's nothing in his posts that makes them look scummy, even when he gave reasoning before and that's quite the only thing he's done in this game prior to this post. Do I need to explain why this is scummy?
Somehow you didn't read my post directly above, where i said that i dismissed that vote as an odd vote, i.e. it was sort of a joke vote of a first day. And aside from that
Also, guess who his new scumspects are? Popular targets, Serela and us. Quite convenient.
Quite. Not counting the fact, that it's not the only me who finds your behavior suspicious.

Well, could you at least say what you're interpreting as an overreaction so that we can at least explain what happened? You just stated that (which is really weak reasoning btw, as lots of people have overreacted in this game so far and I don't think neither Vhaltz or I are one of those. Scum or not, you're only focusing on us because it's convenient - groupthink) and gave no clue on what you meant. So I ask you: from what we did, what do you think is an overreaction? And why do you think it's scummy? I think town are the ones that overreact more, by the way, unless the overreaction is faked to gain towncred (as we thought about Conqueror at some point).
CF7's behaviour just now is very scummy in my opinion, so in addition to my/SB's case I'm totally fine with my vote.
It's yours and Vhlatz posts 99 and 100 respectively. It's just the beginning of the day. Somehow you concluded that Conqueror is acting strange, "not in character" and that's weird as hell.

And then there's this.
Here Conqueror says he understands NNR's logic, but gives the fact that NNR wasn't the one to explicitly state it as a valid point to keep suspecting him. Why? You're supposed to understand the reasoning, and you don't say you find it suspicious. Even if you cover it with words your suspicions are just based on the fact that he was misunderstood. However, how is being misunderstood scummy? It doesn't seem like you're saying that explanation was made up later, which clearly looks like something very unlikely.
I think that's quite an unnatural train of thought and something very convenient for scum to do. It lets you give up the vote for a better wagon but you can always go back to voting NNR if people vote him again (and I think he's an easy target).
##Unvote
##Vote: Conqueror/PX
You suspect Conq because of his "vote-hopping" and how it is convenient. And it's still that beginning of the day 1 phase. I might be wrong and overreacting myself, but well, that's how i see things.

And then there's me vs you.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 09:59:37 AM
Vhaltz is sleeping, so he can't check my posts for mistakes now.


That's it, I'm stopping answering to NNR. I get the feeling that he's just suspecting us because he doesn't like us while misinterpreting and that's not going to change no matter how hard I try. I prefer not to waste my time. (=w=u
Anyways, if someone else thinks that I should answer to some point because they think there's something relevant on his reasoning I'll do it.

Somehow you didn't read my post directly above, where i said that i dismissed that vote as an odd vote, i.e. it was sort of a joke vote of a first day.

It wasn't a vote, it was scumhunting because you were using scumhunting logic, don't try to paint things as what they aren't. You never got to explain properly the unvote and just said Shadormio were not suspicious at all for you on your following post because they had done nothing scummy. See the contradiction? I'm sorry, but I'm quite sure that even newbies won't do that as town. I didn't.
Either way, you didn't read my post, that's why you don't know the reason why I didn't read your post. (And even now that I've read it I still think the same way)

It's yours and Vhlatz posts 99 and 100 respectively. It's just the beginning of the day. Somehow you concluded that Conqueror is acting strange, "not in character" and that's weird as hell.

It was just the beginning of the day... yet we were scumhunting! How do you think RVS should end anyways? (=w=u


I might be fine with a Serela lynch, Vhaltz thinks he has decent chances of being scum and I saw a coulpe weird things at some point but dismissed them as irrelevant. I'm going to read him now.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 10:55:54 AM
I've just finished reading Serela and BT. I honestly don't think any of the wagons has decent chances of hitting scum. Still, I'll vote if needed (preferably Serela, I think BT will post more relevant content)

Vhaltz is also doing ISOs so this might change.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 21, 2013, 11:48:10 AM
Serela's wagon didn't change because Bard-Polaris was already voting for Serela as Validon.
Holy fuck how is it 5 hours before deadline and no one has asked for a claim from the main wagons. Vhaltz/Mitsuki should claim, they're actually the highest wagon right now. Serela claiming would be cool with me too because I never get tired of beating Serela with a rock, also because he seems like the likely consolation prize.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 11:53:06 AM
I don't think we should claim. We're at L-2 but I don't think we're getting lynched today.

Shadoweh, what do you think of the three main wagons right now?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 21, 2013, 12:24:03 PM
I think you're in more danger then you think but I don't really want to vote you. I think Dormio finds you much more suspicious then me. I think BT should be lynched for his not gonna bother posts, they're impossible to read from an alignment perspective. I don't think Serela is a bad consolidation option, he didn't seem legit to me earlier.

I think banging these all out now with no claims is really bad. I'm going to sleep so I hope everyone jumps on the BT-wagon or else!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
Vhaltz has written this and paraphrasing it would take too much time:

I don't think I want to lynch BT over Serela. Conq asked BT for gutreads which he could've easily made up as scum to appease the wagon on him (I don't think he'd underestimate it given what happened last game at consolidation stage D4) but instead he stubbornly continues his point about not having read the thread beyond things regarding himself, which only makes it easier for him to get lynched. There's also how his post where he votes Conq seems to be full of mentions about Mitsuki that are worded in a waffly way, like he's convinced that the Vhaltz in the hydra is town but he's not sure about the Mitsuki head and he's trying to convince himself that we're town as a whole because he thought I was right with my case. I don't think that's an easy thing to fake as scum, and on top of that he'd be gambling on his lynch. Not quite convinced he's town but still.

Serela on the other hand has promised rereads lately but left instead without coming up with anything close to reads coupled with reasoning in the game. His scumhunting ED1 amounts to "this and that are silly here's my vote" and his scumhunting as of lately consists of a few isolated pokes and an opportunistic and lazy vote on us that Conq has chastised him for but he refuses to let go of for apparently no reason even after acknowledging all of his points. It feels like he's just taking advantage of the fact that Conq's reply is coaching instead of a vote, tells him he's correct so that he'll be happy that he listened to him and he just let his vote sit where it is anyway because a):effort: or b) convenient placing for vote as scum towards the end of D1.

I'm not convinced that he's scum like I've been times before, but at best he's being very lazy and that laziness could be hiding scum intent. I'd much rather vote him over BT.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 12:51:24 PM
Also: ##Vote: Serela

This is the best I can do right now.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 02:22:46 PM
Getting close to Deadline Vountcount 1.8

BT (2) -  Conq/PX, Shadoweh/Dormio
CF7 (0) -
Polaris (0) -
Serela (3) - SB, Polaris, Vhaltz/Mitsuki
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (1) - BT
NNR (0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (3) - NNR, Serela, CF7
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) -   

Vhaltz/Mitsuki are at L-2!
Serela is at L-2!
Not Voting (0) -

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

~2 hours 20 minutes left!
Day 1 Deadline Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130821T1240&p0=179)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 02:45:11 PM
##Unvote

Home.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 03:10:32 PM
Muh, I'm awake, although not very...
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 03:12:42 PM
I'm going to be here for 40 minutes, but I have to stuff my face and take a shower and get ready for work during most of it, so don't expect much more then possible voteswaps. I'm okay with consolidating onto BT although I'd be happier lynching VM.

Oh right claiming! I'm vanilla town  :fail:
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: SB on August 21, 2013, 03:23:38 PM
I'm here. Could wagon VM in a pinch, wouldn't wagon BT. Prefer Serela still, the claim doesn't really mean much to me.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 03:26:51 PM
I think you're in more danger then you think but I don't really want to vote you. I think Dormio finds you much more suspicious then me. I think BT should be lynched for his not gonna bother posts, they're impossible to read from an alignment perspective. I don't think Serela is a bad consolidation option, he didn't seem legit to me earlier.

I think banging these all out now with no claims is really bad. I'm going to sleep so I hope everyone jumps on the BT-wagon or else!
>other head has feelings for other wagon
>"[bt's posts are] impossible to read"
>"i hope everyone jumps on bt"
>leaves with vote on bt

Seriously.

How many people are actually here?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 03:27:48 PM
btw I'm only on page 6 so these are fun times.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 03:29:08 PM
I would vote Shadoweh if it wasn't that she's part of a hydra and it's just that Dormio is pulling most of the weight.

The fact that Shadoweh is the one using the vote despite it possibly contradicting Dormio kind of makes me :/ though.

This is an odd situation so I'm not sure how I'm supposed to react to it.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 03:31:41 PM
I guess what I'm getting at is "Is this hydra dissonance where Dormio does good things but Shadoweh controls the vote and does not-so-great things whilst Dormio's words keep the slot looking mostly fine?"

the question mark is relevant because I'm not sure.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 03:33:10 PM
1 hour 8 minutes left!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 03:37:32 PM
No it's not fine. I was just about to reply with that myself. I'm extremely confused at how Shadoweh ended up controlling the vote.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 03:40:17 PM
Violating the not posting clause from earlier because this situation is ridiculous for our slot and I can't bear to just stare at the thread to see what happens.

Let me remind people what the cases on us are.

CF7: Our #99 and #100 are "overreacting" (it's a pretty word that was being thrown around a lot at the time so why not?). That's it.

NNR: We suck because we played as independent hydra heads with different opinions and it's harder to read and he wouldn't do that. I can go in depth as to why his last content post sucks all the way to hell and back but it's something that's annoying me a lot and I'd rather not say anything because I don't want to be a jerk. Also I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote what I said in the QT.

Serela: Nothing. Would be an okay consolidation vote if he hadn't been clinging onto it for 24 hours after saying himself that his major concerns with us had been cleared up.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 03:44:48 PM
The point being that the only reason we're being a wagon right now is because Conq voted us and pushed us earlier in the day, and people decided jumping on the wagon was a nice thing to do.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 03:45:22 PM
Quote
Serela: Nothing. Would be an okay consolidation vote if he hadn't been clinging onto it for 24 hours after saying himself that his major concerns with us had been cleared up.
Thing is, as I said in the same post, none of the lynching candidates are that great.
 
Your other head Mitsuki said the same thing; that she didn't think any of the wagons were likely to flip scum.

I'm kind of considering Shadoweh flashwagon but A.I'm not sure how much support that would get and B.I HAVE TO LEAVE IN 15 MINUTES, so if it didn't get support I'd have really hurt the chance of a not-me lynch. (And obviously I know I'm not scum so etc)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 03:45:59 PM
The point being that the only reason we're being a wagon right now is because Conq voted us and pushed us earlier in the day, and people decided jumping on the wagon was a nice thing to do.
Overreaction. Even if the cases on you weren't -great- it's not like people just sheeped Conq and got on.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 03:47:40 PM
If anyone present would consider lynching Shadoweh's slot based on the last few posts here it'd be cool if you said so, since I have about 10 minutes to decide whether I should put my vote there or not before I'm gone.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 03:47:47 PM
Violating the not posting clause from earlier because this situation is ridiculous for our slot and I can't bear to just stare at the thread to see what happens.

Let me remind people what the cases on us are.

CF7: Our #99 and #100 are "overreacting" (it's a pretty word that was being thrown around a lot at the time so why not?). That's it.

NNR: We suck because we played as independent hydra heads with different opinions and it's harder to read and he wouldn't do that. I can go in depth as to why his last content post sucks all the way to hell and back but it's something that's annoying me a lot and I'd rather not say anything because I don't want to be a jerk. Also I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote what I said in the QT.

Serela: Nothing. Would be an okay consolidation vote if he hadn't been clinging onto it for 24 hours after saying himself that his major concerns with us had been cleared up.
You're not allowed to quote your QT.
My case on you is far more then "being annoyed by how your hydra heads are working seperately" because if that were the case I'd be trying to lynch Shadormy too.
Calm down, you might be able to play better. CF7 is probably on the right track with your reactions being way overboard.
Also you should claim.


Reread BT. Don't want to lynch BT.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 03:48:23 PM
Overreaction. Even if the cases on you weren't -great- it's not like people just sheeped Conq and got on.

CF7 did, pretty sure you did, so everybody other than NNR who votes for us because he dislikes that I told him he was wrong and he's biased ever since.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 03:50:05 PM
Too late in the day to lynch Shadoweh, Serela.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 03:50:41 PM
I don't know what to think of Shadormio. I think that my lynching priorities taking them into account would be Shadormio = Serela > BT.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 03:51:35 PM
Quote
pretty sure you did
Uh if I sheeped anyone it'd be Dormio and not Conq, and even then I started thinking it was weird before I noticed his paragraph on it and provided some degree of my own reasoning D:

And yeah, you should claim.

Drat NNR >> Well, yeah, at this point I'd pretty much need the support of anyone present and we likely wouldn't get a claim from her, I guess. Just testing the waters for the possible option, but it is kinda last minute.

Oh right I'm supposed to be eating more food
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 03:52:27 PM
Quote
support of anyone present
everyone*, considering there's 4 people here >>
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 03:53:11 PM
What if the flashwagon is on CF7? You have my full support on that.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 03:54:11 PM
Claim. I'm actually looking at voting you right now. Granted my Serala read isn't solid but if anything it's probably null-town. (still on page 6 herps)

And no no Shadoweh switches. I didn't actually decide if "this is very confusing to me" is scummy. It's not like Dormio being weird is anything new.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 03:54:29 PM
CF7 did, pretty sure you did, so everybody other than NNR who votes for us because he dislikes that I told him he was wrong and he's biased ever since.
If you're going for the literal interpretation of "Oh My God You Suck" then you're doing pretty well.
Seriously, calm the hell down. The best you're doing right now is trying to push my buttons, and that isn't working. if you're going to be lynched, at least take it with a little dignity.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 03:54:54 PM
We're the doc. That's why I didn't want to claim. (=_=;
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 03:55:35 PM
Granted x2 Shadoweh's initial reasons for looking at me are faulty but I'll cover that some other time and I haven't looked at Dormio properly.

cut well okay how long is there left
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 03:56:28 PM
We're the doc.
aghghaghaghhhhhgh

just noting that I'm leaving in 3 minutes so if we're flashwagoning anyone else you should start immediately
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 03:56:57 PM
Dan if there's any game I felt like getting an extension in it's probably this one.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 03:59:03 PM
I don't have very good reads on Shadoweh or C7. I could maybe go for a Serela lynch but I had a pretty strong scumread on Valtzuki
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 21, 2013, 03:59:41 PM
Hm... I'm having some doubts. Like some heavy doubts.
I can withdraw my vote and we can get a no-lynch and go straight into night. Not sure how detrimental that would be.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 04:01:31 PM
An extension might be nice but it might also be too late to try it, since we already got a small extension.

No lynch is the worst option since we'd be stuck on D1 info-wise.

Guhhh... ugh... nnnnnnng....

That claim is desperate enough to be believable for now, but not by much...
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 04:02:20 PM
AGAHGHAGAHHH

##extension if possible
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:03:29 PM
That claim is desperate enough to be believable for now, but not by much...
I actually find it perfectly believable to be a fake.

But it's still kind of intimidating.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 04:05:16 PM
I'll give up on my NNR frustration for now but you'll get it post game, I don't think my play is the one to blame precisely.

I normally wouldn't but I'm fine with Shadormio lynch as a last resort since they didn't contribute in 21-ish hours late D1 and I find that scum are much more likely to avoid deadline shenanigans than not.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 04:07:04 PM
Well, since we're probably dying anyways I think that everyone should consider  (after the day ends) the fact that there might be a situation on this setup where both town and scum don't win. Look at the town wincon, first post or your role PM will do.

It says that town wins when there are no remaining threads to town, sure, but it also says that a townie should be alive for that to happen. It is usually assumed that will happen so it's not written specifically, but here it is, so I reached the conclusion that there might be a situation where there might be no players left (bomb) or a survivor and two killing roles.

Rule 9 says that MyLo, LyLo, pesudo MyLo and LyLo will be announced. I think that the reason on why we'll need such a degree of precision on that could also be an indicative of what I said.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 04:07:41 PM
##Extension as well if we can, I'm going to be pretty busy soon, and I wanted to be done with today after the deadline. I don't have the time atm to look at other lynches.

If not, then I don't think I want to move my vote. At worst we lose the doc and get valuable reactions.

I'll consider a Serela lynch too.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 04:09:05 PM
I'm not receptive of flash-wagons since they tend not to work and nobody has time for a proper case. The choices we have now are the only ones I'm going to bother with.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 04:09:51 PM
Note that the wincon paraphrasing is fine since there's a sample PM in the opening post, we didn't just suicide or anything yet.

Just in case Dan is skimming or something
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 04:11:17 PM
I wouldn't trust analyzing the sample PM to mean anything in particular since we don't know the setup.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:12:24 PM
I wanted to make a quick reads list before we go into night but I find that I still don't have enough to go off of for most people. This is legit suck.

I'm at where SB pointed out CF's "contradiction" and it really does look like he forgot he suspected Shadormio at one point.

ConqX is Required Reading. I still very much think he's off but I'll have to mull over my points and his rebuttals to be sure.

Stuff that made me want to lynch Valtzotsuki earlier (it's not just Serela Over You) are a few of their posts that bugged me while reading right now.

I know he's a newbie, but since when are newbies allowed not to post and that's fine with everybody? Do you think that's going to do any good for him to learn, let alone for the game to progress?
Like this.

Conq case was the best I had so secondary scumspects are pretty subpar if I say so myself.
And this which seems kind of systematic.

I don't really know what else.

Deadlines suck.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 21, 2013, 04:13:07 PM
The thing is, potentially any claim can be fake. /stating the obvious
Tho i'm not sure i want to risk losing doc.
##Unvote

Also what timezone of Shadormio is? They might be sleeping and all that.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 04:13:56 PM
No extension will be granted
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:14:06 PM
They're sleeping.

Why'd you think I got mad earlier.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:14:53 PM
25 minutes by the way.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 04:15:59 PM
Neither of the Shadormio pair are present right now. Conq isn't here either.

Conq is also nowhere to be seen, so the only thing we can do is lynch us if BT and SB vote us (and CF7 revotes) or lynch Serela if two of CF7, NNR and BT vote him.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 04:16:50 PM
Well there's also lynching BT but I don't think BT, NNR or ourselves want to vote him and Serela/CF7 votes aren't enough to reach the lynch.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:17:31 PM
I think Conq's in a shitty timezone right now (still don't know the context for this one) so he's out too yes.

I'll skim Serela's ISO as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:18:38 PM
aghghaghaghhhhhgh

just noting that I'm leaving in 3 minutes so if we're flashwagoning anyone else you should start immediately
how long are these minutes by the way?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 04:19:17 PM
Holy Crap Deadlines Vountcount 1.9

BT (2) -  Conq/PX, Shadoweh/Dormio
CF7 (0) -
Polaris (0) -
Serela (3) - SB, Polaris, Vhaltz/Mitsuki
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (0) -
NNR (0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (2) - NNR, Serela
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) -   


Serela is at L-2!
Not Voting (2) - BT, CF&

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

~22 mins left
Day 1 Deadline Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130821T1240&p0=179)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 04:20:38 PM
Geh, I need to be doing work, but I want to reskim Serela again.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 04:24:00 PM
Well, I think everyone around here now is town (BT, Serela, NNR, CF7. Yeah, now him too), so at least we got something good from this situation.

What made me change my opinion on CF7 is his last post where he unvotes us because of fear of losing the doc. I think scum wouldn't risk doing that.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 04:24:39 PM
CF7, BT and Serela read genuine from deadline reactions too so I kind of don't want to lynch either of them right now. I think lynching Shadormio has better chances of D1 scumlynch but a flashwagon at 15 mins to deadline is terrible and apparently D1 scumlynches are anti-town in most games from what hw commented on last game anyway, so I guess an information lynch is preferrable.

No time to check associative reads though. I think I'd rather lynch Serela just because BT put effort into the game despite V/LA and didn't promise reads posts that never came.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:25:28 PM
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1010327.html#msg1010327
Serela why didn't you do your reading <_<

Though I think he's town.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 04:26:16 PM
Yeah, I guess I could live with a Serela lynch, looking back. Not much notably good content from Serela, although nothing outstandingly bad.

Pretty piss-poor lynch in any other circumstance except one that I otherwise risk lynching a doc.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:27:42 PM
Enforced by that very last post is the notion that NNR is the weakest "obvtown from reactions to deadline" in that list. Though I'll make sure now and/or later.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:29:10 PM
Or I'm blathering. I don't know how I feel after reading a page back just now.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 04:29:34 PM
##Unvote:
##Vote: Serela


Valtsuki may live for now, but I want to see less emotion-driven content tomorrow, provided I don't want to immediately switch back onto him at the start of D2.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 04:29:41 PM
ftr "better chances of D1 scumlynch" is only marginally better than the horrible chances I see in hitting scum with Serela/BT and I don't have a particular scumread on Shadormio.

If you're referring to my last post BT I didn't mention NNR because I was already reading him town despite being particularly annoyed with him (in fact big part of the annoyance comes from the fact that I'm quite sure he's town and I can't do anything about him if he's this stubborn).
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:30:14 PM
I'm totally illiterate.

cut uhh votecount? ugh
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 04:30:33 PM
Serela is at L-1!  10 Minutes remain!!!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 04:31:35 PM
Deadlines OMFG Vountcount 1.10

BT (2) -  Conq/PX, Shadoweh/Dormio
CF7 (0) -
Polaris (0) -
Serela (4) - SB, Polaris, Vhaltz/Mitsuki, NNR
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (0) -
NNR (0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (1) -  Serela
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) -   


Serela is at L-1!
Not Voting (2) - BT, CF7

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

~8 mins left
Day 1 Deadline Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130821T1240&p0=179)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:32:00 PM
I was talking about Mitsuki's and ugh.

I feel weird considering a talkative slot and doc lynch over Serela. But I think it'll be Serela judging by NNR's vote just now.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 04:32:16 PM
There has been no emotion-driven content other than my complaints about Conq being too aggressive this game and how I'm annoyed by your heavily biased play.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:32:37 PM
NNR can you quickly explain why you gave up on VM?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 04:32:49 PM
I don't think we can settle with any other lynch besides BT anyway, since we don't have enough people present to lynch Valtz.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 04:33:23 PM
Unless he commits suicide.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 04:34:52 PM
Actually since Serela is gone, he's the only possible lynch that doesn't involve self-voting.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 04:35:03 PM
I suddenly don't like how BT is pushing us now.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 04:35:13 PM
We're like 5 min to deadline BT save questioning for D2 and hammer.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 21, 2013, 04:35:36 PM
My work day just ended 5 minutes ago so i guess i can hammer Serela and go home.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 04:35:53 PM
actually no, we could manage a BT lynch but I don't want to.

Lynch Serela.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 04:36:01 PM
our lynch*

or at least it seemed like that
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:36:19 PM
I'll just tell myself that it's okay because somehow Serela got people wanting to lynch him anyway.

That's not to say that he might actually be scum, just that those people will not be after him on D2 too.

Hammering in 5? I think we have 5.

a trillion cuts
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 04:36:33 PM
Less than 4 min!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 04:36:56 PM
CF7 do hammer, it won't be held against you
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 04:37:06 PM
3 min!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 04:37:33 PM
I'll hammer in a minute in any case.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: CF7 on August 21, 2013, 04:37:48 PM
##Vote Serela
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 04:38:14 PM
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 04:41:41 PM
FINAL DEADLINE VOUNTCOUNT 1.11

BT (2) -  Conq/PX, Shadoweh/Dormio
CF7 (0) -
Polaris (0) -
Serela (5!) - SB, Polaris, Vhaltz/Mitsuki, NNR, CF7
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (0) -
NNR (0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (1) -  Serela
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) -   


Serela is Lynched!

Not Voting (1) - BT

FLIP INCOMING
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 04:52:43 PM
Hello Serela.

Who are you?

I am the Mod, Serela.

What do you want with me?

It's time, Serela.

.... No .... No! It can't be time! I'm not ready! I still have plans! It's not over! No! No! NO!

Come, Serela.  It's time.  It's time you knew the setup.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ANTS! SCREAMING

---

And so it was, just as you were all ready to string Serela up...  she/he/it disappeared.  Vanished before your very eyes.

In Serela's place, you notice a slip of paper.

It reads,

"Serela, a Bullet-Proof Serial Killer, aligned with Her/Him/It-self, has been lynched D1."
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 04:59:26 PM
Night 1 will last 24 hours.  You have that amount of time to submit any Night actions.
N1 Countdown (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130822T13&p0=179&msg=Night+Action+Deadline+N1)


Also you may communicate, yes even the dead, here as long as nothing is GAME RELEVANT
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 05:02:14 PM
Does it count as GAME RELEVANT if I talk about Pokemon?

no. lol.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 05:06:10 PM
GOTTA CATCH EM ALL GOTTA CATCH EM ALL

<----------
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Day 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 05:08:07 PM
I regret switching out the Altaria avatar now
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 05:36:23 PM
http://georgeandjonathan.bandcamp.com/album/the-best-music

Some pretty good music I've been listening to.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 21, 2013, 07:29:40 PM
Now I'm wondering how the latest Touhoumon developments are coming along because I haven't checked them out in a while.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 07:59:39 PM
I want my MegaReimu.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 08:12:55 PM
electric funk ain't my thing.

Was okay though
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 08:47:33 PM
Shadowrun is important okay >:< Also Serela is a girl, there is no mistake there.

Serela is whatever you want Serela to be
When I was going on my break at work (which I have to go back to in a minute aaaa) some guy started to sling his bag of groceries around for fun the moment before I walked past and it hit me in the arm really hard

I went "OW :C" but kept walking and behind me I heard the old lady he was talking to accusingly say "You hurt her!"

BACK TO WORK ON MY LITTLE MOTOR SCOOTER
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 08:52:24 PM
When I was going on my break at work (which I have to go back to in a minute aaaa) some guy started to sling his bag of groceries around for fun the moment before I walked past and it hit me in the arm really hard

I went "OW :C" but kept walking and behind me I heard the old lady he was talking to accusingly say "You hurt her!"

BACK TO WORK ON MY LITTLE MOTOR SCOOTER
:C
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 09:12:17 PM
Serela is proud of his unidentified gender shenanigans.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 21, 2013, 09:13:10 PM
Also let me know if you find anything out about newer Touhoumon because it's also been ages since I saw a new one.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 21, 2013, 09:14:23 PM
Serela, it's fine. You don't have to be ashamed of who you truly are!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 09:15:27 PM
Oh... I didn't know Serela looked like a girl too.

Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 21, 2013, 09:23:39 PM
Serela is proud of his unidentified gender shenanigans.
(http://i.imgur.com/J8U835Q.gif)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 09:59:30 PM
I would possibly kill to know what Serela looked like irl
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 21, 2013, 10:05:08 PM
Quote
Moral Panic Ensues After Violent Roleplay Spills Into Real Life
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 21, 2013, 11:05:38 PM
Selery you have issues.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Serela on August 21, 2013, 11:10:26 PM
It's not my fault what people call me IRL :smokedcheese:

HW unintentionally stumbled upon a picture of me once because of shenanigans but it was from numerous years ago and my hair was really blegh at the time so I looked... different
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 21, 2013, 11:11:20 PM
How the hell did he do that.

Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 21, 2013, 11:26:29 PM
http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/3a/52/3a529c_3632505.jpg
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 22, 2013, 12:18:12 AM
Why does it say "BT" at the bottom of the glass I'm drinking from.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 22, 2013, 12:40:06 AM
HW unintentionally stumbled upon a picture of me once because of shenanigans but it was from numerous years ago and my hair was really blegh at the time so I looked... different
Clearly he was looking for pictures so the dress would fit JUST RIGHT! :D Also on topic:

I wanna be the very townest!
Like no town ever was
To catch scum is my real test
To save newbs is my cause

I will re-read across the days
Hunting far and wide
Each wagon flip to understand
The motives that they hide

MAFIA! Gotta lynchem all!
It's you and me
I know it's my destiny!
MAFIA! Oooooooooooo~
You're my best friend
In a town we must defend

MAFIA! Gotta lynchem all!
A gut so true
My gambit will pull us through
You clear me and I'll clear you
Mafiaaaaaaaaaaa~ Gotta lynchem all!
Gotta lynchem all, MAFIA!


Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 22, 2013, 12:58:05 AM
We should compile a list of nicknames for Shadoweh
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: PX on August 22, 2013, 02:57:59 AM
<PX> @shadoweh
<Keine-tan> PX: "shadoweh" is (#1) zombeh scum, or (#2) victim moe, or (#3) a paranoid Kitten, or (#4) having a maid fetish :3, or (#5) hates the letter R, or (#6) murder, or (#7) eats instant kittens, or (#8) a lad, or (#9) Keine spammer, or (#10) Peach, always in another castle. </3, or (#11) GET A MIC, or (#12) wants to get eaten by Kitten4u, or (#13) drunkmoe, or (#14) Moe Moe Loli Meido, or (#15) fucking up (1 more message)
<PX> @more
<Keine-tan> PX: everyone's muscle memory god dammit, or (#16) Clearly a Vampire, or (#17) Backdooring Scum, or (#18) a puppet of Keine, or (#19) being shadoweh is suffering, or (#20) ruins everything
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Serela on August 22, 2013, 03:02:53 AM
shadoweh still ruins my muscle memory forever
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 03:04:22 AM
HW unintentionally stumbled upon a picture of me once because of shenanigans but it was from numerous years ago and my hair was really blegh at the time so I looked... different
i know your first name too and i think i remember your last?

im not creepy, peace
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 03:33:48 AM
today i learned that serela is taller than me.

and i'm 6'1

holy shit
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 22, 2013, 05:29:48 AM
I don't think I want to be a serela anymore.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 22, 2013, 04:45:28 PM
Friendly reminder that you have 15 minutes left to submit night actions!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 22, 2013, 05:13:26 PM
I was going to make this more flavorful, but I have recently gotten into a huge fight with people (none of you guys), so I'll keep this brief.

NNR, a Gunsmith, aligned with Town, has been shot N1
CF7, a Investigative Immune Serial Killer, aligned with Himself, has been shot N1
SB, a Overly Prescriptive Doctor, aligned with Town, has been shot N1

It's a brand new day! with less faces Vountcount 2.0

BT(0) -
Polaris(0) -
Conq/PX(0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki(0) -
Shadoweh/Dormio(0) -

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch or no lynch

WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!!! IT IS PSEUDO-MYLO!

You have ~72 hours to kill each other! good luck :3
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 06:17:21 PM
<3

I had a sneaking suspicion but

this setup

thinking
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 06:23:07 PM
obviously first thing on the plate is VM

I'm pretty sure we're the only ones who're going to post at this kind of time

so go ahead and get this over with now
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 06:26:02 PM
I'm so lonely

despite all 3 hydras being alive
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 06:26:48 PM
wtf at this setup
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 06:30:59 PM
thoughts on massclaim given psuedo-mylo, bt?

also nnr gunsmith flip means there's probably a mafia doctor or something
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 06:32:23 PM
oh nvm there's a town vig given 3 kills last night
so one cf7 kill, one vig kill, and one kill from the last scum
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 06:34:05 PM
also what are everyone's thoughts on the remaining scum being investigation immune given one investigation immune flip?

and looking at the flips again, sb could be have been a kevorkian doc
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 06:36:25 PM
I think it's a SKs versus village setup

one SK is immune to the vig
one SK is immune to the gunsmith (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gunsmith)
and there should be another pr and another SK?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 06:36:58 PM
I have no idea what SB's role does

and assuming I'm right we can just lynch VM and win?

unless there are multiple docs
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 06:38:06 PM
my "thinking" comment earlier is mainly "should we massclaim"

there should be reasons for us not to, but I haven't thought about it fully I think

in any case I want to hear from VM first
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 06:41:09 PM
see bt i feel like there's something missing with that assumption, given that it's apparently psuedo-mylo

also there's my role; im a cop and I copped bt last night (and I got town)

so I'm like ????

doc + doc + cop + gunsmith seems pretty lol though.

but...again we have the psuedo-mylo thing, so I'm wondering if it's because there's a doc messing with the kills, or a vig.

either way i think we should massclaim. i already started off because lol; bt can claim last because another investigation immune scumbag is just unfair

also preeetty sure there are no vanillas in this setup. have fun making up your fakeclaims scumbags.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 06:43:44 PM
I think it's better to let everyone claim, then crack this setup (if it's even advantageous)

not to let any critical information reach unwanted ears
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 06:44:09 PM
so basically boring waiting period go
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 06:45:13 PM
VM -> Shadormio -> Polaris

Shadormio before Polly because two heads brainstorm better than one
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 22, 2013, 06:46:07 PM
Oh ya, HW may re-enter the Conq/PX hydra
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 06:46:28 PM
yeah i think we should massclaim, because it's pretty obvious that this game is designed to be one giant hilarious role clusterfuck and i think it'll be helpful because if this setup actually is ~*balanced*~ we should be able to get some info from that

vhaltz/mitsuki fullclaim role and targets first
polaris/shadoweh/dormio can do the same whenever they come in, they're equally likely to be sk at this point so i dont really care about the order
bt does it last

pedit: sure i agree with bt's order
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 22, 2013, 07:04:05 PM
Guys, don't you think that after two killing roles flipped already two doctors makes sense? I think we're clear now. And sure, it'd make no sense to give a mafia doctor or something like that to a single mafia, it'd have to be a bulletproof because it'd make no sense that he'd use the doc on anybody else.

We asked Dan ED1 if we could self protect and his answer was sure. So that's what we've done tonight given that we were forced to claim. I left some clues saying "hey guys we can't self protect" out there so that there was no kill today, but I guess they've been ignored after all. Oh well.

See what I meant about CF7, guys? (=w=u He knew much more that he pretended, yet nobody pressured him so nobody could realise about it.

What would a kevorkian doctor do?

My predictions of the setup somehow came true! I dismissed more than two killing roles as stupid so I said nothing about it, but sure, it fitted with my theory.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 22, 2013, 07:11:41 PM
We're a regular doctor as far as we know, by the way.
We also asked Dan if there bastard mod elements and he said the game wasn't bastard mod.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 22, 2013, 07:16:24 PM
... I thought the gunsmith was a role that gave guns to the players, but now I see the article on mafiascum and I guess they aren't. Or are they?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 07:28:42 PM
I left some clues saying "hey guys we can't self protect" out there so that there was no kill today, but I guess they've been ignored after all. Oh well.
Where?
I dismissed more than two killing roles as stupid so I said nothing about it, but sure, it fitted with my theory.
When?
... I thought the gunsmith was a role that gave guns to the players, but now I see the article on mafiascum and I guess they aren't. Or are they?
I thought so too, I dunno.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 22, 2013, 07:30:16 PM
Ok, we still don't know how three kills happened but we asked Dan if the gunsmith would have done his action before dying and he said that kills are normally resolved last.

A dayvig or a vig created by the gunsmith could explain the pseudo-mylo if there's only one scum left.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 07:32:42 PM
Ohhh I forgot about that interpretation of the gunsmith.

Yeah it's possible that NNR was a person who gave vigs to people. There are at least two different types of Gunsmiths, I hadn't considered this possibility.

Hmm if that's the case, that does make Vhaltz/Mitsuki doc a little more likely though? Adding on that SB probably wasn't a standard doc.

Ah, speaking of which, Vhaltz/Mitsuki, you're just a normal Doctor, right?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 07:34:42 PM
ebwop: oops missed that post at the bottom of the page so disregard that

this setup is QUALITY btw, A+ Dan

I aim to please <3
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 22, 2013, 07:41:38 PM
@BT:

Well, since we're probably dying anyways I think that everyone should consider  (after the day ends) the fact that there might be a situation on this setup where both town and scum don't win. Look at the town wincon, first post or your role PM will do.

It says that town wins when there are no remaining threads to town, sure, but it also says that a townie should be alive for that to happen. It is usually assumed that will happen so it's not written specifically, but here it is, so I reached the conclusion that there might be a situation where there might be no players left (bomb) or a survivor and two killing roles.

Rule 9 says that MyLo, LyLo, pesudo MyLo and LyLo will be announced. I think that the reason on why we'll need such a degree of precision on that could also be an indicative of what I said.

"We're probably dying anyways", implying that we coudln't self protect but not saying so directly.
I left this theory close to the deadline and after claiming. It's obvious I wouldn't have came up with it then. I already had the intention to self protect, so I thought that giving information such as this at the last minute would seem like I was using my last posts to give useful information with then that I wouldn't be able to give the next day.

And if you read my theory you can see that I said nothing about three killing roles but that fits perfectly (I thought about it and even asked Vhaltz for reference, but he didn't think that'd be possible either)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 07:44:43 PM
No I mean when did you first think up the idea of so many killing roles? At one point exactly?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 07:45:02 PM
EBWOP: "at what point"
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 22, 2013, 07:46:26 PM
Yes we're a normal doctor beyond being able to self-protect (which I honestly didn't expect, I just asked for the hell of it). I asked about bastard mod elements due to doc variations sometimes working like sanities (and possibly bomb-related shenanigans like in Hourai's setup) and Dan said the game isn't bastard mod as far as he knows.

@BT do my walls still read "weird" after knowing we're a doc and I failed horribly to play low profile as a cop last game? I attempted to cut walls short this game to do better as a PR this game but Conq's aggressive reaction to my case kept us from the lower profile game I was going for. I kind of want to know why you continue to harp on us now after sheeping my Conq case earlier and the evidence sitting there that a second regular doc is likely in a 3+-killing-role setup. Mafia doctor you suggested doesn't make sense and you seem to ignore that point. All I saw LateD1 to justify that you're so quick on gambling the game on our lynch was a mention of two cut-outs of posts that read "systematic" so what the fuck man?
I don't believe there are two scum left this game so if Conq claims a cop inno on you it's either true or false and if it's false Conq's the one who's scum so you're very likely to be town right now. Unless there's another investigation immune which would be BS.

It's also much more likely that the gunsmith is the kind that hands out guns because according to the wiki Serial Killers don't kill with guns.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 22, 2013, 07:50:43 PM
EBWOP: "at what point"

When I noticed that the wincon was worded in a weird manner. Some time after that I remembered rule 9, which made my theory stronger.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 07:52:06 PM
missed this
What would a kevorkian doctor do?
a doc that can elect to kill at the expense of forgoing other doc shots. kinda fits in with the "over-prescriptive" in the flip
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 22, 2013, 07:53:45 PM
Well, I considered what that all could mean to the setup and that was one of the possibilites I considered that fitted within my logic.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 07:54:18 PM
if that's the case, betting that sb and cf7 killed each other, and the remaining scum killed nnr
posting this just so i can have bragging rights if im right in endgame


Dormio if you're reading this, please claim role and night actions.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 22, 2013, 07:56:57 PM
Fuck you I have assignments to work on.
But I guess I can say that we are vanilla with no active or passive abilities.
We only have the factional ability to talk in thread and vote.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 22, 2013, 07:58:02 PM
so what the fuck man?

Eh, given the context in the rest of the game where I'm annoyed at NNR I just want to point out that this is not me being upset again. Just a wording issue since I'm starting to get familiar with the playerbase and swears happen in my daily chat with english-speaking friends.

@Conq what does a kevorkian doctor do? is it the same as CPR doctor? because otherwise I don't understand what kind of doc could kill it's target. And don't SK kills generally have priority over all other killing roles? (which would mean if CF7 was targeted by SB he wouldn't also be killed?)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 22, 2013, 07:59:28 PM
It's also much more likely that the gunsmith is the kind that hands out guns because according to the wiki Serial Killers don't kill with guns.

Also wait this makes no sense because N1 flips all say "was shot".
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 22, 2013, 08:03:26 PM
And I missed the post explaining the doc thing.

Still doesn't explain how they could've shot each other if the SK kill has priority though. It kind of works if the last scum is mafia and it went like this:
CF7 killed NNR, SB killed CF7 and the last mafia killed SB.

Unless the mafia kill also has priority over a vig shot on a different target, then I'm ???
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 08:06:48 PM
@Conq what does a kevorkian doctor do? is it the same as CPR doctor? because otherwise I don't understand what kind of doc could kill it's target. And don't SK kills generally have priority over all other killing roles? (which would mean if CF7 was targeted by SB he wouldn't also be killed?)
Quote from: invasion mafia
3) pesco (Doctor)
Good evening, Tewi.  You've spent enough time around Eirin to know a thing or two about medicine, but being a trickster rabbit, you also know it can have some very unsettling side effects... which you might just use to your advantage, given you stole a bunch of medicine from Eientei before getting roped into this scum-hunting business.

You are a town-aligned Kevorkian Doc.  You can use your medicine to attempt to save one person per night, or you may stuff all of it in their mouths to end their pathetic existence.  Note that if you do the latter, you can't heal anyone else - you're out of medicine!  Unfortunately, you're not skilled enough to heal yourself - nor are you capable of healing the same target consecutively.  Finally, you only have enough patience to protect someone three times.

You win with the town.  Best of luck!

also the nk analysis was just a random guess, dont read too much into it. I will say that it's possible all kills have the same priority in this game but who knows.

Polaris is up next for claiming.

Also ftr if remaining scum aren't investigation immune this game is pretty much autowin. But let's do this properly anyway.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
##Vote: Conqueror
still pretty sure this dude is scum



despite being in the hydra i havent been told of our n1 results????
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:09:38 PM
ok looking at the flips + lylo marker this is just presumably just a manhunt game with multiple mans to hunt. what is even the point
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 08:10:10 PM
i didnt cc you in the initial night action pm for obvious reasons

2bad

cut: the point is to lynch all the scums
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:13:20 PM
well im voting scum, right now.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:13:53 PM
gut says just policy lynch dormio and that dan wouldn't put a VT in this set-up even to troll but idk
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 22, 2013, 08:15:28 PM
gut says just policy lynch dormio and that dan wouldn't put a VT in this set-up even to troll but idk

The rules say that there's at least one VT.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:16:21 PM
oh, then dormio is probably clear actually

instead of a vig there are probably 2 SKs who might crossfire tonight, hence pseudo-mylo

ill read the thread before going to arcade i guess
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 08:16:54 PM
if shadoweh got the only vt role in the game i will laugh at her forever
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 08:18:12 PM
what if polly claims vt?

what if I claim vt?

also there has to be a vig or else we would have beet at pseudo-lylo at best
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 08:19:06 PM
Vhaltz it's fine, I was serious at first (after SB's flip) but now I'm not in a hurry to lynch you.

Coincidentially I was going to enter this day with another 180 on my read on you two and a null~whatever read on Conq but lol setup. Judging by his posts I doubt Conq is gambitting and I'm warming up to the double doc theory.

btw: you can feel free to insult my play yesterday all you'd like because it'll be totally deserved. I can't play mafia on impulse, prove, case closed.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:19:12 PM
also i don't think dan would use the epicmafia gunsmith over the mafiascum gunsmith because he actually visits mafiascum. plus nnr would've had to have gunned somebody during the day. if somebody has a vig though they should claim it
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 22, 2013, 08:20:19 PM
Just a warning that Mitsuki and I have to leave shortly to have dinner and sleep in a place with no internet. We stick around for a little longer but not much.

Which means that however obvious and autopilot you may think the game is after Polaris and BT claim don't do quicklynches before we're back tomorrow.

Cut: What's the point of a cop and an investigator gunsmith then? aren't both the same thing in a setup with 4 SK?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:23:32 PM
kind of doubt Vhaltz/Mitsuki are SK since getting CCed would really suck for them if they were

Dormio/Shadoweh are essentially clear

as such I'm gonna say that Polly is the last SK and if there are multiple then BT is the second one.

##Vote: Polaris

Cut: it's not any weirder than 2docs
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 08:23:59 PM
4 sks out of 9 players is kinda ridiculous even with potentially 2 docs and 2(?) cops so I dont think there are 4 sks
2 cops is also kinda overkill in any case, and the "giving guns out" gunsmith has been used on this site before (disgaea)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 08:25:54 PM
also if you missed it i copped by last night and got a "town" result and given there's already been an investigation-immune sk flip...yeah

although that does make me wonder what the last scum has
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 08:26:08 PM
*copped bt, even
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:29:24 PM
Vhaltz/Mitsuki: why didn't you breadcrumb as doc?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:30:22 PM
our role pm says we can get "no result" so maybe BT is GF SK and the other one would've just returned no result

idk lol
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 22, 2013, 08:31:18 PM
Vhaltz/Mitsuki: why didn't you breadcrumb as doc?

Vhaltz just told me what that is. Either way, I saw no need of doing that.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 08:32:28 PM
I feel like claiming right now and getting this over with

just really boring

we SHOULD have an autowin in any case
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:33:00 PM
do it

I thought you claimed but I didn't actually read the post which is why I assumed shadormio were clear
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
I feel like claiming right now and getting this over with

just really boring

we SHOULD have an autowin in any case
(http://puu.sh/2LaOs.jpg)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 08:34:08 PM
hmm I guess I'd have one more person's opinion first

I shouldn't break the setup completely but I should clear up some questions
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 22, 2013, 08:35:07 PM
Is it even a good idea to crumb as a doc? I mean it didn't even cross my mind because if the crumb happened to be too obvious (and we're new players) scum could've picked it up and went for us on the NK (and we didn't plan on claiming and ending up self-protecting, I personally thought it was best to avoid claiming if possible and doc Conq or BT the moment we had a wagon on us because it was likely they'd let us live just to see if we could end up mislynched).
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 08:35:43 PM
you thought I claimed what? non-vt?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:36:43 PM
yes

Vhaltz: if you crumb subtly enough that scum won't notice it can never hurt. i'm naturally apprehensive of D1 PR claims that aren't crumbed
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 08:37:14 PM
i dont ever crumb as either alignment unless i have results or something to share

but admittedly that is mostly because im a lazy bum

imo if you can back up your claim well enough without crumbs then great; crumbs are just insurance i guess
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:37:33 PM
that said vhaltz is probably town...... bt is probably town too

lynch polly then shadormio for gamesweep?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 08:39:03 PM
well in that case

y'know what in the off-chance I won't say it but shadormio isn't clear

I'm not a vt but they're still not clear

it's funny because I was considering fakeclaiming vt to maybe trip up the SK but

<--- spineless idiot
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 22, 2013, 08:39:58 PM
Well you guys also might be scum faking a cop inno so no.

And lynching the only claimed VT is a terrible idea when we have yet to see two claims. We're not running headfirst into speeding up the game thank you very much.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 08:40:14 PM
hmmmm

in that case i really want to see polly's claim
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 08:41:05 PM
And lynching the only claimed VT is a terrible idea when we have yet to see two claims. We're not running headfirst into speeding up the game thank you very much.
chill out, no one is suggesting this
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 08:41:42 PM
this will take ages surely

I doubt they're faking the cop

this would have been confirmed if it weren't for NNR's role being annoyingly ambiguous but welp
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 08:42:21 PM
(because there has to be at least one cop for the cop-immune SK's sake and this isn't bastard)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 22, 2013, 08:44:15 PM
But Huhwhat is.

Not upset though, really, it takes high levels of frustration to make me upset, like what happened with NNR (Mitsuki can vouch for this), sorry I read like I'm mad all the time now after what happened earlier in the game.

this would have been confirmed if it weren't for NNR's role being annoyingly ambiguous but welp

Exactly.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 22, 2013, 08:48:30 PM
@ActionDan: Can we get clarification on what definition of "Gunsmith" you're using?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 08:49:12 PM
nah he's just saying that last scum is likely polaris and if not polaris then shadoweh/dormio
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:52:14 PM
Well you guys also might be scum faking a cop inno so no.
maybe if youre dumb. were obvtown
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 22, 2013, 08:54:20 PM
were obvtown

And why is that so?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 08:55:15 PM
http:/
And why is that so?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1010934.html#msg1010934
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 22, 2013, 08:56:21 PM
Btw we already asked Dan about the gunsmith in our QT earlier and he said he wouldn't tell.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 08:59:00 PM
our obvtowniness is a pointless discussion/distraction because either you see it or you don't
and i dont want this game to be a circlejerk of "look at how town i am" because that's insufferable to read

in case he doesn't see it, Polaris, when you see this, please claim role and results.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 08:59:14 PM
ftr i dont actually think my slot is that obvtown (i'm not shadoweh) but if i say it enough it must be true. mafiascum level play

however, i'd like to propose the following: the first non-obvtown (shadormio, polly) to try and push conqpx and i using an elaborate conspiracy theory is confirmed scum looking for the extra lynch they need to win the game
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 09:00:01 PM
yeah conq im really just being insufferable on purpose because i got into the game late and have nothing of value to contribute.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 09:01:59 PM
and now im tempted to post like greyice for the rest of the game

(not actually going to do this)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 09:02:13 PM
you never told us who it was

NNR?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 09:02:41 PM
I haven't even played that one game with him so I have no idea how that's like

kind of curious;

but not forcing or anything
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 22, 2013, 09:04:01 PM
if you mean the guy who got me subbed out, i'm not going to answer that since it encourages speculation over irrelevant shit. i don't know anything about the dead players that everybody else in the game doesn't know
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 22, 2013, 09:04:16 PM
however, i'd like to propose the following: the first non-obvtown (shadormio, polly) to try and push conqpx and i using an elaborate conspiracy theory is confirmed scum looking for the extra lynch they need to win the game

Defeating the purpose, man.

Well we're off now, like I said earlier please don't quicklynch in our absence.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 22, 2013, 09:26:38 PM
@ActionDan: Can we get clarification on what definition of "Gunsmith" you're using?

nope
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Polaris on August 22, 2013, 09:40:42 PM
i'm a bodyguard. i can protect someone and die in their stead. i guarded micchan because doctor, but looks like nothing happened. ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 09:46:04 PM
uh

not going to claim vt? guess shadormio really are clean then

I'm the vig, I shot CF7

it's funny because I almost shot NNR !_!

this is pseudo-mylo because if we mislynch and I misshoot and the sk's nk goes through we lose

but I shouldn't be shooting tonight - conq cops whoever we don't lynch and people protect them

though now I'm confused because I was sure we were going to get a vt claim
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Polaris on August 22, 2013, 09:50:06 PM
also sheesh guys, i'm still in school, don't harass me for things during school hours ◤(?‿?)◥

i bet gunsmith is the mafiascum version since it'll be the "foolproof" cop for the investigative immune SK (plus other SKs), but the fact that investigative immunity exists implies that conq's cop has to be real, too. woo gaming the setup ♩ヽ(・ω・ヽ*)♬ ♪(*ノ・ω・)ノ♫

i kind of want to clear dormyon just for the "at least one vanilla town" (poor shadoweh getting the only? vanilla in the game again), so if micchan isn't lying about the doctor (and i'm pretty sure she isn't lying) then the only one left is beatty-kun, whose role is still a mystery????? :itisamystery: who is the vig. oh.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 09:51:46 PM
by the way I was planning to shoot + claim (maybe?? I'm not very smart) which is why I wanted to have a credible and referable reads list before N1... I failed (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1010681.html#msg1010681)

the vig's existence should be confirmed because mylo anyway like I said
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 09:56:07 PM
`_`

shadoweh is confirmed town then as the only vanilla in the game.

ftr i was sure bt was going to claim vanilla who got a gun from nnr or something >_>

uhhh im very confused >_>
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 09:57:03 PM
can't say I'm less confused by NNR's claim

I mean I did say I was confused

I couldn't have gotten something from it, if that was the case I wouldn't have been confused
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 09:57:36 PM
NNR's flip*

anyway I think this actually clears Polly because why the hell would he clear Shadormio
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 09:58:42 PM
and that suggests that the scum among us has claimed before Shadormio did

tell me if I'm wrong
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Polaris on August 22, 2013, 10:00:14 PM
##Vote: Mitsuki

micchan gomen ;_; i wanted to shinjiru in you but... i don't know what to think anymore. (T▽T)

like i was trying to rationalize the possibility of there being three???? protective roles because the setup is hilarious enough but idk (╯?□?)╯︵ ┻━┻
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 10:00:40 PM
Conq would have gambitted knowing that there was a lone VT and someone he was claiming an inno on and that doesn't sound very likely

at the same time VM claiming doc is unlikely too

what
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 10:01:22 PM
(I mean claiming doc during D1)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 10:03:20 PM
I think the fact that Mitsuki found it appropriate to theorize about a setup with three killers back in D1 before we saw any of these flips is telling but ugh
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 10:03:54 PM
no one's play here makes sense as scum tbh

tempted to think bt is also confirmed town given 4 sk's in 9 players is still ridiculous. plus 3-1-1 would be pseudo-lylo. so yeah bt is also confirmed town.

leaves pool of vhaltz/me/polaris

hmmm
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 22, 2013, 10:06:00 PM
oh my god
fuck you dan
fuck you so hard
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 22, 2013, 10:07:03 PM
Talking about claims that don't make sense: A bodyguard + a conditional sounding doctor + an ordinary doctor that can self protect doesn't make the uberdoctor sound logical.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 10:07:18 PM
if bt killed cf7
it's pretty reasonable to assume cf7 killed sb
then the last scum killed nnr
tbh that kinda does point towards vhaltz, but uh
maybe vhaltz/mitsuki is a Serial Killing CPR-Doc? Would explain the gunsmith sheninigans and also allow for the 3 SKs to be about the same power level.


HAHAHA SHADOWEH YOU'RE THE ONLY VANILLA
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 10:07:34 PM
oh my god
fuck you dan
fuck you so hard
my notepad has size 8 font and I filled it after ~6 hours of work today

guess who trashed the txt file after d2's flips
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 10:08:41 PM
##unvote ftr
bt you're telling me, last night i was like BT/NNR SCUM4LYFE WITH MAYBE POLARIS AS WILDCARD and then the flips and results pms came in and I was like wwwwwwww
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 10:11:06 PM
I was considering how you went "I hate it when I end up unvoting people who bullshit cases on me" at some point as an attempt to deliberately make people like me think you're town

I seriously got myself into a mindfuck BEFORE THIS DAY STARTED
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 10:14:14 PM
and yeah okay that post wasn't fake

lynch VM, I idle, lynch polly tomorrow if we get there?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 22, 2013, 10:17:02 PM
That's funny because my night thoughts were 'BT is acting like that last game we should lay off him and Vhaltz and Mitsuki were taking the word of SERIAL SERELA in wanting to quicklynch us after we both went to sleep WHAT THE HELL'

Also I'm not actually surprised no one else claimed VT, once you figure out the joke of the setup it would mean lynch the VT's to win.

ALSO SORRY YOU GOT SCUM AS YOUR FIRST GAME CF7 WITH NO ONE TO HELP YOU BLAME DAN
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 10:17:29 PM
i dont think polly would clear shadoweh/dormio the way he did here as scum. i mean it's possible as a HAIL MARY gambit but i think it's more likely he'd just go :effort:, claim vt, and then get steamrolled by all the remaining power roles because why bother?

vhaltz/mitsuki claiming doctor d1 makes sense if their actual role is flavourized doctor that kills, like cpr-doc or something. like, i dunno. at this point I think they're the last scum though.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 22, 2013, 10:19:57 PM
although that makes me sad because i had vhaltzosuki/cf7 as my two strongest town reads at the end of the night derp

sk hunting too hard
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 10:20:46 PM
I'll be really angry if we're right and they're it because I was really going to let them go despite so much cringeworthy reactionary survivalist behavior
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 10:22:06 PM
this marks 8 posts without content

it's okay though, we haven't broken a record yet
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 22, 2013, 10:22:27 PM
8 posts but also 8 pages*
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 12:22:01 AM
Back from arcade. Vhaltz/Mitsuki claiming doc could be explained if it was given to them as a fakeclaim. I'm really inclined to just lynch Polly though, Bodyguard is a super easy scumclaim and I trust Vhaltsuki's word as a protective role over his.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 12:23:55 AM
also, 2docs is better balanced than 2docs+bg due to numbers reasons. bg can even prevent crossfire!!

but either lynch is good rn.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 12:24:11 AM
1doc+bg, sorry.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 23, 2013, 01:05:56 AM
shit I guess this means I shouls start writing flavor for my setup. LT ME KNOW IF YOU GUYS NEED ME FOR ANYTHING
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 07:57:17 AM
im mafia
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: PX on August 23, 2013, 08:06:33 AM
shhh, that was supposed to be a secret
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
i dont think polly would clear shadoweh/dormio the way he did here as scum. i mean it's possible as a HAIL MARY gambit but i think it's more likely he'd just go :effort:, claim vt, and then get steamrolled by all the remaining power roles because why bother?

Except it doesn't make any sense that he'd CC Vanilla?

Just think about it, it was very likely that there was a vig whether from the start of the game or created by the gunsmith variant that gives out guns. Which means this isn't close to true LyLo as soon as the vig realizes he shouldn't shoot. This means town has two lynches left, and counterclaiming VT means outing one of the two VT claims as scum, making the game autopilot lynching both claims for the win.

However, counterclaiming us by throwing in another weak doc into the setup he could somehow BS his way into getting us lynched today and play paranoia in LyLo with BT/Conq. Claiming something other than vanilla is the only way he'd have to survive as an SK.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 10:07:56 AM
no I agree, the whole "wouldn't clear Shadormio" thing is stupid and you/Shadoweh are right

though, hey, what do you think should be our course of action? do you think it's polly? what if we lynch him and it's not?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 10:12:28 AM
At this point I'm heavily convinced that Polaris is the last scum because BT and Shadormio are clear, Mitsuki has her first townread ever on Huhwhat and I also find him much townier than Conq.

Polaris' slot is horribly empty content-wise. All he's done is establish priorities among wagons in D1 and there's no comments on the rest of the game which means he could coast by with no scumhunting, the looming suspicions on ourselves are only there because we actually posted content to go through and MotK dislikes lynching the contentless over targets with content that they can rationalize as scummy.

##Vote: Polaris

I'd offer ourselves as a mislynch for game win but being 80%-ish sure about Hw/Conq being town I'd rather not :effort: and lynch Polaris now. Worst case scenario Polaris isn't scum (which is unlikely because Conq outed a cop inno on a slot he couldn't possibly know would be confirmed town later, right after day start, which is a big gamble if he's scum) and we go onto LyLo with Shadormio/BT and Conq to have the slapfight of our lives. I guess we'll lose if it happens but hell it's best to try.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 10:16:17 AM
and I also find him much townier than Conq.

Meaning Huhwhat

I mean otherwise he's spent the earlier part of D2 messing with Conq and trying to get him to lose because the investigative gunsmith + cop was suspicious for a while unless you consider that the gunsmith could get a guilty on the Investigative Immune SK while the cop couldn't. Plus vig claim by BT makes it likelier that there's a cop/gunsmith combo because gunsmith could get a fake guilty on the vig and cop could get a fake inno on the SK.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 23, 2013, 10:17:00 AM
Note that my non-townreads on HW have always been right.
Still, I can't say I'm totally sure.

(Vhaltz was posting what I think because I couldn't find my mothers laptop and connecting all the cables to my computer took its time)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 10:18:43 AM
btw here's my theory:

assuming nnr's role was the mafiascum variant, town has a regular cop and a special cop, so it'd actually be fine for them to have a regular doc and a special doc, granted I still have no idea what SB's variant did

I think this might be it because a SK doc sounds silly, what would be its selling point? one SK had utility against the vig, the other had utility against the cop, makes sense that the last one'd have utility against the doc like say strongman kills

and I say "cop" and "doc" and not "cops" and "docs" because actually I think I figured out it out - SB was an anti-strongman doc and NNR was an anti-godfather cop, and Conq/VM are the nerfed versions

(having a strongman vig to counter the bulletproof SK would probably be too much kills in one game so yeah)

cut okay so huhwhat reads town right now and conq doesn't, gotcha :v you need to play with huhwhat some more, ask shadoweh all about it

this is a :theory: by the way so don't give it too much thought - we should lynch both VM and polly anyway and I'm not sure how much time Polly had to think up that fakeclaim
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 23, 2013, 10:25:06 AM
I don't know what gunsmith variant you guys keep talking about, but a giving gun action wouldn't have resolved until the night ended. There's a vig, an sk, and one sk left, we have the three kills accounted for. We have the technology.

HUH WHAT IS ALWAYS TOWN HE TOLD ME SO ESPECIALLY IN THE HYDRA QT
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 10:31:39 AM
I'm aware that everybody happens to read Hw as town, precisely the reason why we're making a big deal about the Hw reading town thing is because we've generally caught him as scum in all spectator games and reads of earlier games we've read through where he was scum (Mitsuki does so quicker than I do, so the townread on Hw is very odd if they end up being scum).
Because if someone has a reputation for always reading town it's worth putting effort into finding out how to scumtell them.


I say lynch polly first anyway for game end because if Conq/Hw are the last scum their gamble paid off way too well.

We also theorized that the last scum has strongman, which makes it likely that SB was an OP doc variant, but it didn't make sense earlier because 3 deaths meant there was either 3 killing roles + vig was overkill unlikely (lol) and the kevorkian doctor theory made sense as well.

@Shadoweh The likely gunsmith variant in the setup now is the one on mafiascum wiki (investigates who owns a gun, which would turn up guilty results for SKs and the vig). Before the BT vig claim it was likely that it was the other one (the one that hands out guns).
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 10:35:28 AM
I will also parrot Hw regarding the setup balance because seriously, Anti-strongman doc + bodyguard doesn't stop enough kills to make sense in a 3scum + vig setup.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Shadoweh on August 23, 2013, 10:43:26 AM
hMM. Two cop roles, two doc roles, one vig, and innocent comfirmed beautiful the strongest townie vs team Badass. I think we should lynch Conq because that would definitely give me another night and day phase to work on my flavor.

...Or we could lynch Polaris I guess. A bodyguard has nearly a 50% chance of dying Night 1 if all the killing roles make it and the chances of it actually hitting town are pretty bad.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 10:44:15 AM
whooo ~*balance*~

Except it doesn't make any sense that he'd CC Vanilla?

Just think about it, it was very likely that there was a vig whether from the start of the game or created by the gunsmith variant that gives out guns. Which means this isn't close to true LyLo as soon as the vig realizes he shouldn't shoot. This means town has two lynches left, and counterclaiming VT means outing one of the two VT claims as scum, making the game autopilot lynching both claims for the win.

However, counterclaiming us by throwing in another weak doc into the setup he could somehow BS his way into getting us lynched today and play paranoia in LyLo with BT/Conq. Claiming something other than vanilla is the only way he'd have to survive as an SK.
from a purely logical standpoint claiming vt doesnt make autolynching polaris/shadormio the winning play (setup says "at least one vt"), but from a practical standpoint what would have happened is that we would have lynched polaris today instead of him being able to push vhaltzosuki as an alternate lynch. so i guess you're right in a way.

but that does dispel my reasons for polly not being scum and overall i've thought the vhaltz/mitsuki slot to be more town (AND THIS MEANS VALIDON SCUM GOT CAUGHT ON ONE POST AWWW YEAH) so it's probably polly ?\_(ツ)_/?

although vhaltz why would you offer yourself as a mislynch for game win if you think it's polaris and aren't completely sure about me/hw/px being town

i will say that reading huhwhat as town is NOT ALLOWED, you're supposed to get the townreads on me because my scumgame sucks >:<<<<<<
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 10:46:10 AM
I think we should lynch Conq because that would definitely give me another night and day phase to work on my flavor.

fffffff  :V

Isn't it great, Shadoweh? You got the only VT in the game, except when people figure out the setup it's like you're the innocent child!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 10:48:51 AM
if it makes you reconsider your read on scum!conq part of the reason im shitposting this game is because i know itll cause people to read me as town
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 10:48:59 AM
okay yeah

let's play overkill hangmafia in the meantime because it's pointless hammering before dan's here (we're allowed to talk during twilight ftr but eh)

    _________               _________               _________
    |         |          |         |          |         |      
    |         0          |         0          |         0   
    |        /|               |        /|               |        /|
    |        /           |        /           |        /    
    |                          |                          |   

 _ _ _ _ _ _
   
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 10:49:11 AM
this looked great in the preview
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 10:49:15 AM
but no seriously polly is scum, no real reason to delay.....
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 10:50:36 AM
I don't know what gunsmith variant you guys keep talking about, but a giving gun action wouldn't have resolved until the night ended. There's a vig, an sk, and one sk left, we have the three kills accounted for. We have the technology.

If I'm not understanding this wrong you saying there's more scum that 1 left, Shadoweh? what is going on in your head?

Setup is either this if Polly's lying:
1 Investigative immune SK
1 Bulletproof SK
1 ??? scum (likely strongman)
1 Vig
1 Investigative gunsmith
1 Cop
1 VT
1 Anti-strongman Doc
1 Doc

Or this if we're lying:
1 Investigative immune SK
1 Bulletproof SK
1 ??? scum (likely strongman)
1 Vig
1 Investigative gunsmith
1 Cop
1 VT
1 Anti-strongman Doc
1 Bodyguard

Alternatively if Polly doesn't flip scum it could be 3 protective roles (Anti-strongman doc, regular doc and bodyguard) and a single investigation role (gunsmith) but that would be very weird and like I've said repeatedly I don't think Conq/Hw are scum.

@Conq precisely I said I wouldn't offer ourselves as a mislynch, I said we'd at least try. I just hit the realization that it's unlikely that town can win whatever we do in LyLo if Polaris ends up being town and your gambit went that great as scum.

Quote
from a purely logical standpoint claiming vt doesnt make autolynching polaris/shadormio the winning play (setup says "at least one vt"), but from a practical standpoint what would have happened is that we would have lynched polaris today instead of him being able to push vhaltzosuki as an alternate lynch. so i guess you're right in a way.

This is true though I was completely set on a setup with a single VT.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 10:50:53 AM
Trillion cuts btw
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 10:51:23 AM
if it makes you reconsider your read on scum!conq part of the reason im shitposting this game is because i know itll cause people to read me as town
shitposting makes me read you as scum though
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 10:51:28 AM
if it makes you reconsider your read on scum!conq part of the reason im shitposting this game is because i know itll cause people to read me as town
you bastard

anyway

##vote polaris
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 10:53:08 AM
Serela disappearing after asking for my opinion and not actually giving an opinion about who he wants to lynch is really frustrating. One day I will roll a vig and justice will be sweet.
hey conq
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 10:53:28 AM
##Vote: Polaris
HAMMER SHUT UP
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 10:55:47 AM
If I'm not understanding this wrong you saying there's more scum that 1 left, Shadoweh? what is going on in your head?
nah shadoweh means there was a sk that flipped last night

hey bt. if you're saying that that was a vig softclaim then no. i'd never softclaim vig as an sk, especially not in an ~*experimental setup*~
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 10:56:41 AM
always claim vig as sk. always
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 10:57:01 AM
this will be a better strategy when mods start giving SKs janitor shots
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 10:58:07 AM
no I meant that you had a 4/9 chance of rolling vig / fakeclaiming vig in this setup

too bad :V
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 11:02:36 AM
ok but are we actually waiting on anything before a real hammer.


odds are im going to wake up to postgame already being over and it's going to be Bad
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 11:02:48 AM
well i was pretty excited when i got my role pm. im like awww yeahhh judging from a cop in a 9p experimental this setup probably has busdrivers framers and redirectors up the wazoo so let's just hope for the best

also playing sk as vig is boring
if im sk i just kill the people who want to kill me or who i think i cant lynch
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 11:03:25 AM
postgame isn't coming until dan is here for the flip anyway
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 11:06:08 AM
I have nothing to say in anything because I suck at roles
What does a farmer do?

And what timezone is Dan in now anyway? I thought he was american like so many other people?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 11:07:52 AM
it's the middle of the night in the americas so
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 11:08:28 AM
Fuck how did I misread framer as farmer
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 23, 2013, 11:08:46 AM
What does a farmer do?

Well Vhaltz... you don't have to know much about roles to know that!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 23, 2013, 11:09:37 AM
Fuck how did I misread framer as farmer

He's lucky he types faster than I.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 11:17:09 AM
it's the middle of the night in the americas so

bluh

I forgot you guys weren't american
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 11:17:55 AM
dan is in my timezone (and yeah bt im back in the americas)

what timezone his sleep schedule is in is another matter; that i have no idea
hell the only reason im awake right now is because i went to sleep right after dinner last night

huhwhat you're not american anymore get out
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 11:19:04 AM
huhwhat you're not american anymore get out
i live in california not hawaii :/
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 11:19:28 AM
do i look like hourai to you. ive never even worn a maid costume
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 11:20:26 AM
[citation needed]
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 11:39:07 AM
I think I'm a certified fake american with sleep cycle issues personally

fakeclaiming farmer next game
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 11:42:53 AM
lol it's almost 5 am

where is dan
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 12:13:40 PM
hi.

I'm real busy.

was there a hammer or something?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 12:15:44 PM
I'm going to
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 12:17:51 PM
green light right? will hammer in a minute
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 12:19:53 PM
zzzzzz ##Vote Polaris
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 12:21:28 PM
okay.

So I am leaving soon so this flip might not be coming for like 7 hours.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 12:23:18 PM
lol

Can't we get a flavor-free flip or something?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 23, 2013, 12:24:53 PM
this flip might not be coming for like 7 hours.
(http://i.imgur.com/HjUOecX.gif)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 12:25:17 PM
If not, 7 hours is our entire afternoon so if there's no flip until then do tell so we can go do something else.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
he's not coming back
we're town, so if you're town, then it's gg
go enjoy your afternoon
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 12:51:36 PM
he's not coming back
we're town, so if you're town, then it's gg
go enjoy your afternoon

We're also town so nice game, we're off so we'll be back for postgame around the time of the flip.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 01:05:21 PM
gosh

flavor here.

Polly-kun. You're dead

:O

Polaris, a Investigative Immune Serial Killer, aligned with Himself, was lynched D2

WARNING!!!

THE SETUP APPROACHES!


Everyone is alive again.  You must defeat the setup!

The Setup! Vountcount 123456789.0

The Setup (0) -

With 9 players, it takes 9 role Pms to lynch!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 01:09:03 PM
Well good thing we were barely getting ready to leave.

##Shoot with lasers: Setup
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 01:10:00 PM
that doesn't look like a role pm
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 01:10:58 PM
Polaris, a Investigative Immune Serial Killer, aligned with Himself, was lynched D2
another one what
gdit ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

oh i get it we have to post our role pms to defeat the setup
okay
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, Conq and PX.

You are a Cop.

You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to investigate.  You will recieve either "town", "not-town", or "no result".
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: None

Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town

Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.

Good luck!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 01:12:03 PM
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, Vhaltz and Mitsuki.

You are a Doctor.

You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to protect.
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: None

Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town

Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.

Good luck!

I still think the lasers should kill it just fine
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 01:13:09 PM
Vountcount 0.999999999

The Setup(2) - Cop, Doctor

With 9 alive, it takes 9 Role Pms to defeat the setup!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 01:13:17 PM
oh get modkilled the both of you
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 01:13:38 PM
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, BT.

You are a Vigilante.

You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to kill. 
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: None

Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town

Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.

Good luck!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 01:13:43 PM
oh hydra qt here http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/PHNyqpQwDDPyX

bt confirmed last sk, trying to force modkills on confirmed town
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 01:15:14 PM
>confirmed town
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 01:15:30 PM
it's okay though, I shouldn't be modkilled as long as I don't post my true PM
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 01:18:30 PM

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The Setup(3) - Cop, Doctor, Vigilante

With 9 alive, it takes 9 Role Pms to defeat the setup!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 23, 2013, 01:23:58 PM
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Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, Shadoweh and Dormio.

You are a Vanilla.

You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: None
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: None

Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town

Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.

Good luck!
Here (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/xKxtQwEJYDvD) is our hydra QT btw.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 01:27:15 PM

Vountcount FUCKFUCKFUCKVANILLAFUCKFUCK

The Setup(4) - Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Vanilla

With 9 alive, it takes 9 Role Pms to defeat the setup!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 01:30:52 PM
I must go.  I'll continue this later.  Town won btw.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 01:47:43 PM
Btw probably the only reason we didn't get lynched over very silly things D1 is that SB popped in close to deadline but stayed on Serela.

In general SB played really nice as a doc (I suspected he was a PR but since we were already a doc I thought he was the cop) and still managed to catch 2/3 scum so props for the great game.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 02:02:31 PM
My last N1 post in the QT before the flips showing how good I am at guessing the setup

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My main concern is what the other town PRs are because a cop would be weird and it can't be a vig since there's at least two killing roles. Maybe there's a tracker but depending on a tracker's results for a lynch in a 9p setup is ugh.

Maybe there's one of those SK converting roles? a psychiatrist or whatever?

I don't have enough exp to be any good with role speculation.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on August 23, 2013, 02:04:56 PM
> All three anti-town roles that can't be caught via ties to other anti-town roles are dead by the end of Day 2

itps pls
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BigBangMeteor on August 23, 2013, 02:33:57 PM
I claim killing roles as ITP almost every time and I have a 100% winrate upon rolling third. :smug:

But yeah, SB was actually a Jailkeeper who didn't hook his target if he successfully blocked a kill attempt against them, not an anti-Hitman Doc. Not sure what sort of Gunsmith NNR was.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Serela on August 23, 2013, 03:05:18 PM
Oh look I'm the first SK to arrive B)
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Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, Serela.

You are a Serial Killer.

You are aligned with: Yourself
Active abilities: Before the game starts you may select one of the following modifiers to your role: Bulletproof, Strongman, Investigative Immune;
Bulletproof: protects from all sources of kills UNLESS shot by someone with a Strongman modifier
Strongman: Every shot you choose to make is unblockable. Your shot cannot be roleblocked, doc-blocked, redirected, or busdrived.
Investigative Immune: All investigative types without exception will produce negative or otherwise favorable results if they would otherwise implicate you.
Factional abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to kill.  During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilites: You know at least two other people recieved this exact same role.

Win Condition: You win if you are alive and there are no remaining threats to yourself. No more than 2 people total may be alive (one of which is yourself).

Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role plus choosing your prefered role modifier.

Good luck!
The first thing I did was confirm I received my rolepm by screaming in joy at AD over serial killer
then after I sent it I read the rest and realized I needed to pick a power and that there was two more of me

STILL SAD I WAS LYNCHED D1
BUT STILL HAPPY YOU VERY ALMOST CONSIDERED LYNCHING CLAIMED DOC OVER ME

FUCK THERE WAS NO STRONGMAN SK I WAS SO SAFE AAAAAAAAAA WHY LYNCHINGS
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 03:14:54 PM
I claim killing roles as ITP almost every time and I have a 100% winrate upon rolling third. :smug:

But yeah, SB was actually a Jailkeeper who didn't hook his target if he successfully blocked a kill attempt against them, not an anti-Hitman Doc. Not sure what sort of Gunsmith NNR was.

That explains why you weren't replacing in. You could have killed your 100% winrate!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Serela on August 23, 2013, 03:20:47 PM
NNR was a cop-type gunsmith.

GY http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/8t9w6DH65i9T
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: SB on August 23, 2013, 03:37:38 PM
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Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, SB.

You are a Overly Prescriptive Doctor.

You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to protect.
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: If your target was not targeted for a kill then your protection roleblocks your target instead.

Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town

Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.

Good luck!

But yeah what happened with Prims was basically he asked Conq who his scumbuddy was over irc (before Prims was even in the game) without realizing I was in it, and I queried him saying that I probably needed to sub out but then he said he was joking and didn't actually know Conq's allignement, so I stayed in.

And VM the only reason I didn't CC you was because I got called away to stop my puppy from escaping into my neighbor's garden, and I tried to hook you because I thought you were maf (before I realized wtf this setup was)
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Mitsuki on August 23, 2013, 03:47:19 PM
I really liked how SB played this time, he was right about practically everything with good reasons behind his votes <3

CF7, how much experience do you have playing mafia? Now I'm curious...
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 03:50:04 PM
And VM the only reason I didn't CC you was because I got called away to stop my puppy from escaping into my neighbor's garden, and I tried to hook you because I thought you were maf (before I realized wtf this setup was)

Like I just said in IRC we were very lucky that you left 1 hour to deadline because otherwise the whole game would've been screwed for town.

Hope your puppy is doing well, I d'awwwed when you posted saying you couldn't mafia with your puppy chewing your wrist and had to wait for it to fall asleep. Can I make that post my signature or something?
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Serela on August 23, 2013, 03:52:17 PM
Like I just said in IRC we were very lucky that you left 1 hour to deadline because otherwise the whole game would've been screwed for town.
ARARRRGGGHGHHHGAHGGGGHHHHH

DENIED BY PUPPIES ;_;
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: SB on August 23, 2013, 03:55:52 PM
Go for it Vhaltz.

After D1 happened I thought the scumteam was VM/Validon or something and I was going to assume CF was clear because of VM's push on them, so things could've gone a lot differently if CF and I didn't get nightkilled.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 03:57:24 PM
ARARRRGGGHGHHHGAHGGGGHHHHH

DENIED BY PUPPIES ;_;
breaking news: puppy wins award for best town performance 2013
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 03:58:23 PM
oh and Dan can tell you how close I was to vigging NNR instead
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 03:59:11 PM
it's like I'm bound to waffle with every role I get my hands on in my life
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Vhaltz on August 23, 2013, 04:05:28 PM
breaking news: puppy wins award for best town performance 2013
I am okay with this

ARARRRGGGHGHHHGAHGGGGHHHHH

DENIED BY PUPPIES ;_;

Shit, now keeping this one along with the other one in the sig would be awesome
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BigBangMeteor on August 23, 2013, 04:10:05 PM
I didn't play or sub in because I was busy at the beginning, and by the time I was free, I already knew SB's alignment and role. I was sort of an unofficial hydra with him I guess, in that I gave him some gutreads from skimming the thread (although I think they were all wrong).
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: SB on August 23, 2013, 04:12:43 PM
Oh yeah I was like YES I FOUND MAFIA to him night 1 except I was wrong and died anyway.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on August 23, 2013, 04:38:00 PM
I really liked how SB played this time, he was right about practically everything with good reasons behind his votes <3

I SENSE A PATTERN EMERGING

Next time there's an Anon game can someone act like me so I can can live vicariously through them and pretend I'm playing with SB and BBM again ;_;
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: BT on August 23, 2013, 04:42:47 PM
or you could just play

bet you didn't see that one coming
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: SB on August 23, 2013, 04:44:56 PM
but who plays mafia nowadays
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Kilgamayan on August 23, 2013, 04:56:20 PM
I would play if I could! I'm not of the mindset that Mafia is a waste of time or that the playerbase here is irreversably hopeless or anything like that. I simply do not have the time available to commit all I can be to the game. If I were to join I'd probably be a detriment to my faction, and that's not fair to the people that can and will dedicate their all to the game as they promised they would by signing up, nor is it fair to the mod who had to wait about 11 months before they had the privilege of hosting a game.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Conqueror on August 23, 2013, 05:35:36 PM
and I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for that meddling dog!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 23, 2013, 06:03:32 PM
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Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, NNR.

You are a Gunsmith.

You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to investigate.  You will recieve either "has gun", "has no gun", or "no result".
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: None

Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town

Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.

Good luck!
My night action was to look if VM had a gun, since obviously by the end of D1 I still had huge suspicion of him.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 23, 2013, 06:09:57 PM
The game prob would have gone a lot differently if it had actually been possible to lynch VM at deadline.

I think I played pretty decently past ED1, although I have no clue why BT wanted to vig me
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: PX on August 23, 2013, 08:48:21 PM
Town wins in N1, impressive
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: Polaris on August 23, 2013, 09:41:07 PM
oops I died :derp: Role PM is the same as Serela's.

I guess I should be proud that I got to lynch Serela who was "scum" (the serial killer) but that probably made it harder for me to win in the end :V Whoops!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
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The Setup(8) - Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Vanilla, Serial Killer, Overly Prescriptive Doctor, Gunsmith, Serial Killer

With 9 alive, it takes 9 Role Pms to defeat the setup!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 09:55:35 PM
these colors really suck with the new background
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: Shadoweh on August 23, 2013, 10:45:52 PM
DAN I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I AM STRANGLING YOU WITH MY MIND
MY MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 10:49:43 PM
DAN I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I AM STRANGLING YOU WITH MY MIND
MY MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND

How bad can you be, rolling the only VT in the setup
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: ActionDan on August 23, 2013, 10:50:38 PM
Think of Affinity in Jojo's
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 23, 2013, 11:27:36 PM
Dan, stop being lazy and put all the roles and stuff onto one post.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 24, 2013, 05:19:09 AM
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Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, Zakeri.

You are Not playing.

You are aligned with: Yourself
Active abilities: None
Factional abilities: None
Passive abilities: None

Win Condition: You win if you are alive (You are not).

Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.

Good luck!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: Shadoweh on August 24, 2013, 05:22:58 AM
Somehow Zakeri died without being lynched, killed, or in the game! A new record!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Night 1
Post by: CF7 on August 24, 2013, 08:32:48 AM
CF7, how much experience do you have playing mafia? Now I'm curious...
Quite a lot, i can link you to the forum i usually play on, but you'll need google translate or something.
And the role, yeah.
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, CF7.

You are a Serial Killer.

You are aligned with: Yourself
Active abilities: Before the game starts you may select one of the following modifiers to your role: Bulletproof, Strongman, Investigative Immune;
Bulletproof: protects from all sources of kills UNLESS shot by someone with a Strongman modifier
Strongman: Every shot you choose to make is unblockable. Your shot cannot be roleblocked, doc-blocked, redirected, or busdrived.
Investigative Immune: All investigative types without exception will produce negative or otherwise favorable results if they would otherwise implicate you.
Factional abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to kill.  During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilites: You know at least two other people recieved this exact same role.

Win Condition: You win if you are alive and there are no remaining threats to yourself. No more than 2 people total may be alive (one of which is yourself).

Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role plus choosing your prefered role modifier.

Good luck!
Trigger happy BT  :derp:
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: Shadoweh on August 24, 2013, 09:28:43 AM
btw guys if I knew there were at least two other serial killers I would have jumped on BULLETPROOF myself. :V You can't win if you're dead!
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: CF7 on August 24, 2013, 10:19:37 AM
Not my style, lol. Even if it's potentially fatal.  :3
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: BT on August 24, 2013, 10:55:06 AM
Trigger happy BT  :derp:
Well hey, I actually had some good reasons, I can explain if you'd like.

I think I played pretty decently past ED1, although I have no clue why BT wanted to vig me
Mostly gut... 'specially your late D1, the way you handled VM, how you showed doubt but had to wait for CF7's unvote to change votes yourself, that kind of thing. I considered vigging you instead because it'd be harder to build a coherent case on you (gut) and that's why you usually shoot your gut. :v
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: CF7 on August 24, 2013, 11:19:38 AM
Well hey, I actually had some good reasons, I can explain if you'd like.
Then explain. Also i was considering you as a target for nightkill. Would have been epic if i went along with it.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: Vhaltz on August 24, 2013, 11:27:16 AM
@NNR vig. Tunnel vision is a very easy thing for scum to fake and it leaves them open for any other targets at the end of the day because they're not giving reads on anybody else in the game, see Raitaki's tunnel vision on Shadoweh throughout the whole of D2 in Town Mafia.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: BT on August 24, 2013, 11:30:56 AM
Assuming that would have stopped my kill. Don't think Dan's ever clarified priority?

Basically it didn't seem like you cared for some of your suspicions on multiple occasions.

Shadormio votiong NNR is a bit weird to me. Practically baseless.
You think we're scum? O_o since when? I don't think voting nnr is baseless.
Mainly your NNR vote.
I'd think people would normally press someone who basically responds with "no lol it isn't" unless they really don't care in the first place.

Then there's this:
So. I'm willing to vote Serela or Vhaltz/Mitsuki.
The thing is, potentially any claim can be fake. /stating the obvious
Tho i'm not sure i want to risk losing doc.
##Unvote
You basically didn't care to mention Serela even once in late D1 after mentioning him as a suspect. Like you forgot about it completely.

Postgame cases strongth.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: CF7 on August 24, 2013, 12:06:16 PM
Assuming that would have stopped my kill. Don't think Dan's ever clarified priority?
When i asked Dan about what would happen if there's only 2 SK's left by the end of the day, he said that they would shot each other. And outcome would depend on their passives. I.e. both bulletproof, both win. So my guess both dead.
Basically it didn't seem like you cared for some of your suspicions on multiple occasions.
I'd think people would normally press someone who basically responds with "no lol it isn't" unless they really don't care in the first place.

Then there's this:You basically didn't care to mention Serela even once in late D1 after mentioning him as a suspect. Like you forgot about it completely.

Postgame cases strongth.
Sort of true. Well, lesson learned.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: NekoNekoRex on August 24, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
@NNR vig. Tunnel vision is a very easy thing for scum to fake and it leaves them open for any other targets at the end of the day because they're not giving reads on anybody else in the game, see Raitaki's tunnel vision on Shadoweh throughout the whole of D2 in Town Mafia.
My "tunneling" has managed to nab me scum before, and I had very strong gut+suspicion on VM. I still had other reads, but nobody in particular really stuck out as scummy for most of D1 aside from them. Switching to Serela was mostly a matter of the fact I could simply cop VM, and that he was impossible to lynch that far into deadline anyway, which was the ultimately deciding factor. Lynching a claimed vanilla over doc is usually a good idea anyway if the claim is at least a little believable. I think I acted pretty well within the mindset of my role.
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: WHMZakeri on August 25, 2013, 01:14:37 AM
btw guys if I knew there were at least two other serial killers I would have jumped on BULLETPROOF myself. :V You can't win if you're dead!

Claiming Bulletproof is like claiming Serial Killer.
If you claim Vig you can at least get a few people to try and use you like a tool (in a normal game).
Title: Re: You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!
Post by: Vhaltz on August 25, 2013, 03:09:15 PM
Claiming Bulletproof is like claiming Serial Killer.
If you claim Vig you can at least get a few people to try and use you like a tool (in a normal game).

I'm pretty sure she was referring to what power she'd take had she rolled SK. SK's this game could choose one of BP, Investigative Immune and Juggernaut powers.

But yeah bulletproof as a fakeclaim generally sucks, and I haven't even rolled scum yet.