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DEFCON MAFIA
"Everybody dies."
In AD 2013, war was beginning.
Still Alive:
1. ActionDan
3. Dormio
4. Serela ft. J-Doe
5. NekoNekoRex ft. Dorian G.
7. Shadoweh
8. huhwhat Massaca
9. Zakeri
10. BT
11. rawr
12. PX
Wiped off the face of the Earth:
2. I have no name (American, Missile silo) - Lynched Day 1
6. Raikaria (American, Missile silo) - Lynched Day 2
Useful Links:
DEFCON 5 begins (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg955259.html#msg955259)
DEFCON 4 begins (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg955526.html#msg955526)
Day 1, DEFCON 3 begins (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg955866.html#msg955866)
I have no name lynched Day 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg957645.html#msg957645)
Day 2, DEFCON 2 begins (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg957895.html#msg957895)
Raikaria lynched Day 2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg959342.html#msg959342)
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General Rules:
-Inactivity sucks. Post at least once per 24 hours or eat prod. Multiple prods or extensive inactivity may result in force replacement.
-Use ##Vote to vote and ##Unvote to unvote. Unvotes are not required before revotes. Votes/unvotes will still be counted if the intent is clear.
-Lynch occurs at majority. No majority = no lynch. You may also ##Vote for No Lynch.
-No quoting private communications with the mod unless otherwise specified. You may paraphrase. Ask for clarification if you are unsure.
-No editing posts.
-No posting in the thread at night.
-You may talk after the hammer until the mod reaches the thread, but game actions (such as nukes) will not be counted.
-Bah posts are banned.
-No game talk outside the game.
-Play nice.
-Play to win, and have fun.
Setup Rules:
The setup for this game is 8:3:1. The game is full flip - all abilities will be flipped along with alignment.
There are 8 American players.
Welcome to DEFCON Mafia, [PLAYERNAME]! You are a well-established and important member of the American military. After one too many weekend games of Dota with сука being repeatedly spammed across your screen, you've concluded, deep down in your heart, that the Russians threaten the American way of life. They must be defeated at all costs, and your fellow weekend gamers agree with you!
You are aligned with the United States of America. You win if, for 48 hours, all threats to the USA have been neutralized and at least one American remains alive.
There are 3 Russian players.
Welcome to DEFCON Mafia, [PLAYERNAME]! You are a brilliant military tactician and a high-ranking officer in the Russian Federation. You are also the nostalgic type, and you look back to the good old days when the Americans hadn't yet crashed the entire world economy with their housing bubble shenanigans. In an ideal world, the Americans would be punished for their impudence. And so, with a group of your fellow officers, you've covertly obtained some Soviet-era weaponry that can be put to good use. Justice will be served.
[PLAYERNAME] and [PLAYERNAME] are your fellow Russian colleagues. You may communicate with them at any time here: [URL]. You are reminded that communications are not always secure.
You are aligned with Russia. You win if, for 48 hours, all threats to the Russians have been neutralized and at least one Russian remains alive.
There is 1 North Korean player.
Welcome to DEFCON Mafia, [PLAYERNAME]! Some people just want to watch the world burn. You are one of those people. What are non-aggression pacts? What are emergency hotlines? You hate the United States. You hate Russia. In fact, you're pretty sure you hate everyone. Fortunately, as a rogue military general, you have the means to clearly express your opinion by way of excessive violence.
You are aligned with only yourself. You win if everyone else has been neutralized, even if you are no longer alive.
The game has day and night phases, as well as a series of "defense readiness" stages, ranging from DEFCON 5 to DEFCON 1.
(http://i.imgur.com/EVMIz.gif)
DEFCON 5 ? Normal readiness ? 24 hours.
* Discussion and confirmation, no voting.
* Quicktopics are open.
DEFCON 4 ? Increased intelligence watch and strengthened security measures ? 24 hours.
* Discussion, no voting.
* Quicktopics are open.
* Players PM me which role they want. Your choice is permanent for the entire game.
DEFCON 3 ? Air Force ready to mobilize ? 5 days or until lynch.
* Votes allowed.
* Following lynch, there is a 24 hour night phase during which players may use active abilities.
* All militaries switch to encrypted callsigns. Private communication channels are still open, but any messages sent during the day phase have a 15% chance of their contents being intercepted by Wikileaks and posted publically in the thread.
DEFCON 2 ? Armed Forces ready to deploy and engage ? 5 days or until lynch.
* All non-town factions gain a factional nightkill: Stealth Bomber (@Playername)
* Everything else same as DEFCON 3.
DEFCON 1 ? Maximum readiness. Nuclear war is imminent ? 5 days or until lynch.
* Nuclear launch becomes available to all players with missile silo in nuclear launch mode.
* Game cycles like this with regular day/night cycles until a wincon is reached.
* Everything else same as DEFCON 2.
Roles:
During DEFCON 4, players choose the form of military they wish to deploy: a missile silo, or some other troop.
An unlimited number of players may choose missile silo. Missile Silos operate in either offensive nuclear launch mode or defensive anti-ballistic missile mode. You must choose to place your silo in one of these two modes, and during the night phase, you may change the mode your silo is deployed in by PMing the mod.
Nuclear launch mode:
As the commander of a nuclear facility, you have a nuke. In DEFCON 1, one per game day, you may attempt to kill another player by posting the command Nuke: [PLAYERNAME] in the thread. Nukes will take 48 hours to hit their target. You may post Abort Nuclear Launch up to 24 hours after firing to cancel your nuke, but you will not be able to nuke again that game day. Nukes will continue through the night and irregardless of whether the nuker is dead or alive. Note that nukes cannot be cancelled at night as the thread will be locked.
Anti-Ballistic missile mode:
The ABM missile systems are counter-ICBM rockets designed to shoot down incoming enemy warheads. In this mode, the first nuclear launch targeting you each day will fail.
If you are being targeted with a nuclear missile, you may post I do not wish to die a painful radioactive death in the thread. This will cause you to commit suicide and leave the game immediately, unpreventable by any abilities.
Other roles are limited to one instance per game. If multiple players choose the same ability, the selection will be randomized via a draft system, where I will attempt to award all players their first choice, using randomization to break ties, and then attempt to award the unlucky players their second choice, etc, until everything is resolved. Players should send in a list of multiple choices ranked by preference in case they do not receive their first choice. If you do not successfully choose another role, you will default to missile silo in nuclear launch mode.
Possible non-nuclear troops:Fighter - The fast and lightweight fighter is easily able to penetrate enemy territory, making it the perfect craft for reconnaissance. Each night, target a player. I will reveal their role to you.
Espionage - Knowing is half the battle, and when a nation needs to know, it relies on its clandestine organizations like the CIA or MI6 to get the job done. Choose a faction you are not aligned with, I will reveal to you whether target player is aligned with that faction or not.
Aircraft Carrier - The monstrous aircraft carrier is capable of parking itself just outside territorial waters, allowing it to shoot down enemy troops or ICBMs before they leave enemy territory and become a threat to the globe. All abilities activated by target player fail. The following day, all nuclear launches by target player fail.
Battleship - Mobile, hidden in the wide open sea away from population centers, capable of withstanding even the most directed air strikes, and armed with an array of incredibly powerful weapons, a battleship is one of the safest places on the planet. Each night, you may target a player. If a player would be eliminated because of a single non-nuclear activated ability, that player survives instead.
Radar - The night may be dark, but your radar screen is neon green. And it?s hard to miss stuff flashing in neon green. Each night, you may target a player. I will reveal to you any players that player targets. Note: Factional Nightkills cannot be tracked.
Submarine - Silent and deadly, a submerged nuclear submarines can survive for months without surfacing and can creep incredibly close to enemy shores without being detected. You may launch nuclear weapons as though you possessed a missile silo in nuclear launch mode without revealing yourself as the aggressor. Will scan as Missile Silo to the Fighter.
Eavesdrop - A crucial part of the Allies? success during WWII was its ability to crack into German communications. It worked then. Why wouldn?t it work now? In DEFCON 3 or below, every time a member of an opposing faction communicates with another member of its faction privately during the night, there is a 15% chance the message will be intercepted and its contents PM?d to you. During the day, this possibility increases to 30%.
Air base - Capable of deploying a wide variety of response aircraft within seconds and fortified to the brink, any infrastructure surrounding the air base becomes incredibly difficult to penetrate. You are immune to all non-nuclear activated abilities, including the factional nightkills.
Fail Safe - Courtesy of Dr Strangelove or: How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. If you are targeted by a player with a nuclear launch, you automatically launch a nuclear weapon targeting the player targeting you. If you are killed by the stealth bomber, you may make a single post in the thread containing only the words Nuke: [PLAYERNAME] up to 48 hours after your death. Your launches cannot be recalled or prevented.
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FAQ:
Q: At DEFCON 4, when we choose what to deploy, will that be our only chance to deploy something during the game?
A: Yes.
Q: Can I have a missile silo and an active or passive ability? ?
A: No, you can only have one. If you receive an active or passive ability, you don?t get a silo and cannot launch nuclear weapons.
Q: How many times can I use my activated ability?
A: Activated abilities are just like standard roles from normal mafia ? you use them during the night phase and they have an unlimited number of shots (unless otherwise specified).
Q: If someone has Eavesdrop, does the +30% chance of intercepting communications get added to the +15% chance at DEFCON 3 or above?
A: The Eavesdrop calculation is made independently of the default 15% chance. So, if a message is posted during the day, there is first a 15% chance it gets posted publically, and then a 30% chance it gets sent to the player with Eavesdrop.
Q: If communications are intercepted, is the author of the communication also revealed?
A: No, only the text of the message is dropped. The author?s name will never be revealed.
Q: Does Battleship save you from a lynch?
A: No.
Q: Does the Stealth Bomber qualify as a non-nuclear strike?
A: Yes, the Stealth Bomber uses conventional weapons and is non-nuclear.
Q: Does anything ?reset? the DEFCON counts backwards?
A: No, the DEFCON level continually decreases until it hits DEFCON 1, where it will remain until the game has completed.
Q: If Town is lynched at 3p and their are nukes in the air, do the scum win automatically or do the nukes land post-lynch and then win conditions are resolved?
A: At least one member of a faction must survive for at least 48 hours after all enemy nations have been eliminated in order for that faction to win, which leaves ample time for any stray nukes in the air to land (even if their launchers are dead).
Q: What if, because of fail safe or other retaliatory nuclear launches, everyone dies?
A: North Korea wins.
Q: Will the fail safe activate on the submarine?
A: Yes.
Q: Does the radar track kills?
A: No.
Q: Can the factional nightkills be used in addition to other abilities?
A: Yes.
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Day 1, DEFCON 5
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Dc_five_1.svg)
WASHINGTON (AP) ? Gridlock intensifies as both parties dig into their trenches in the latest budget standoff. An anonymous Pentagon official voiced concern that the cuts called for by the sequester could jeopardize important military training operations. "It's very important that we allow these war games to continue, as they provide valuable field training for our operatives."
MOSCOW (Reuters) ? Putin kills bear with bare hands; saves schoolbus full of children.
PYONGYANG (Weekly World News) ? Kim Jong-un and PSY never seen in public together, report researchers.
Defcon 5 begins now. All PMs are now out. Confirm in thread. The phase will last about 24 hours.
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You can't make me confirm.
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"DEFCONFIRMED" - hilarious joke that i wanted to be the first person to make
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this being an actual phase means we can spam the thread and talk :>
i claim mafia, any counterclaims?
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Yeah I'm here.
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actually that post would have been better if i had said "def. confirmed"
well whatever
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def. confirmed
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I wonder if we can lynch HW for taking refuge in audacity.
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Dormio is scum.
Serious read.
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We get 48 hours to roll around in the prairie, right?
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Pretty much! I like bread rolls...
...I'm gonna go eat something.
/me chews on Shadoweh
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This game is already tl;dr
i claim mafia, any counterclaims?
Yeah I'm here.
:smug:
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dormio is the third scum and zak is the SK because he doesn't feel like reading the thread and that is not town effort
game cracked open
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Man, I'm always SK.
Can't I just be a normal vig for once?
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Kill all Commies. Fuck yeah America! USA! USA! USA! USA! Down with communism, democracy fuck yeah!
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I'm here to play card games and bomb terrorists. IN AMERICA.
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I shall confirm in an American style my Americanism.
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confirm
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ALL HAIL THE BELOVED LEADER!
I MEAN CONFIRM
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Confirmed
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That's everyone :D
...except this isn't exactly an "ends when all confirm" phase
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So uhhh, I'm extremely busy at night now so at most I can get a few hours per day. Don't expect me to be active that much.
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I should also mention now I'm going to be in transit for pretty much the entirety of march 14th and part of the 15th. After that I shouldn't have any issues being around. So, I won't post for the first half of d1?
Pretty much like normal, in other words :V
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So uhhh, I'm extremely busy at night now so at most I can get a few hours per day. Don't expect me to be active that much.
##Vote: PX Your vote is already bad and you haven't even made it
This has nothing to do with how I feel about my last game
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CONQ we're all here damnit hurry up and start the next phase, I don't want to wait until 1am!
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Dormio should give a solid reason to not vote him over his response to my post.
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Because you smell.
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Day 1, DEFCON 4
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Dc_four_1.svg)
WASHINGTON (AP) ? Diplomatic furor grows over revelations that over half of the newly elected members to the 113th United States Congress are in fact sleeper agents working for the SVR. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stated, "There is a vast Russian conspiracy that has been conspiring against the president since the day he was elected."
It is now Day 1, Defcon 4. Players have until ~27 hours from now to submit their deployment preferences via PM. If you do not submit by this time, a missile silo in nuclear launch mode will automatically be deployed for you.
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imo we should just play this game like smalltown and assign a role to each player, which they are obligated to pick. offensive missile silo should be their second choice, and if they receive that instead they report treason
bunch of roles i assigned based on assessment of playerlist:
1. ActionDan - Air base
2. I have no name - Eavesdrop
3. Dormio - Radar
4. Serela ft. J-Doe - Fighter
5. NekoNekoRex ft. Dorian G.
8. huhwhat - Failsafe
10. BT - Submarine
11. rawr - Espionage
this leaves
6. Raikaria
7. Shadoweh
9. Zakeri
12. PX
who should all pick Battleship so that scum doesn't instantly know who the doc is
thoughts?
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whoops, make NNR the aircraft carrier
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generally, rolecop should only be on players who are not the doc, and tracker should be on rolecop to make sure the rolecop isn't trying to get extra info
doc is on the cop every night, of course
roleblocker can block scumreads but should try to avoid potential docs for obvious reasons
sub and eavesdrop are useless, R I P (though everybody knowing who the sub is prevents scum from grabbing it and nuking random townies)
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if people considered this strategy in the ms game and it was decided it was useless then whoops, i didn't actually read that
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@HW: Sounds like a decent idea, but why would you want the failsafe?
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on second thought, I think Shadoweh should be the cop, BT should be the rolecop, Zak should be Eavesdrop and the potential docs are between IHNN / Raikaria / PX / Serela / rawr, who pick 1) Battleship -> 2) Sub -> 3) offensive missile silo
this way we have more potential docs and hide the sub
ideally the weaker/newer players (no offense but yeah I think this is the best way to decide since game hasn't really started yet and we don't know who looks townie) are the potential docs so that scum can't make optimal kills
Dormio cut: I see myself as a likely kill and I wanna nuke people. Me and Dan were basically interchangeable
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remember when I said I didn't read the set-up for this game and wasn't going to actually play seriously, I probably should have stuck with that or something
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HW confirmed scum for giving the guy who could tell 0 players by posting style the ability that lets them see the scum posting style more frequently :V
Also taking failsafe for himself is safestrats because then he can only die by lynch (or NK) and how likely IS a lynch on HW anyway, I don't think I've ever seen it happen.
I would say that if Eavesdrop and Sub are as useless as you say, then why not put them as potential docs? Though Sub is technically useful for non-US/town aligned players.
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ok that listing looks better but I don't like being lumped in with people like that :( I'm not that bad at this game >_>
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I'm only bad at playing non-town
and also bad at playing town sometimes when my head is in derp-mode
Anyway sending in request for Battleship&sub
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shruuuug I was just going by Disgaea maf. Nobody on that list is truly a terrible player but they have more flakes and silly plays on recent record than the rest of the playerlist.
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That's due to school picking up for the timing of the previous game and silly plays...Best Idea Mafia is the only one of mine I can think of lol.
Though I just realized a problem in your idea, if scum get the doctor role then we're basically screwed as they can pick off every power role at their leisure knowing who they all are.
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Though then surviving power roles are confirmed scum so whatever I guess it kind of works either way.
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Even if scum grab doc, we still get one scan from the night with no kills, and if the cop dies on the first night with a kill then we have a pool of 5 players guaranteed to contain at least one scum (which is an advantage of making the Eavesdropper public; it narrows it down, but not too much).
I am gonna wait for input from more people before I actually send in my pick in case I overlooked a huge flaw in this plan or something, but I'll post a note when I PM Conq.
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I like the idea and all, but I think it should be broadened just a little bit.
So that we don't know where every PR is.
Rather, create kind of like circles of PR possibilities so that everyone is limited to something like 2 or 3 claims but we know they're definitely one of those.
I just think that that would be a safer way of doing this.
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The biggest problem I see is cop going to somebody who can manipulate it due to bad luck, so if we're worried about that we can swap Shadoweh with somebody who looks really townie by the end of the phase. I guess.
I have thought of a potential scum counter but there's also a workaround on town's side. If we go through with the plan, I won't disclose this until we've already picked, in case scum doesn't think of it.
@Dormio: imo it's better as is because this way, the cop can get results out ASAP, the tracker stops a scum rolecop from hunting for the doc (unless they're buddies), and the roleblocker is held 100% accountable to make sure they're not blocking the doc/cop.
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So Rolecop + tracker are completely useless here however, although I suppose they weren't worth jack in anycase.
Well I think this is just about as good as it can get, since we're playing around the cop + doc combo. Everything else is worthless.
I think tracker should always claim first. Then rolecop claims confirming. etc.
Actually, I think Rolecop SHOULD cop the non-town PR's in case scum gets the sub. If the cop is scum... then.. uh, at least the 3rd party NK has a chance of busting him.
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OP says that the Submarine just scans as a Missile Silo to the the Rolecop, dunno if that was recently added in or what
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also, a sub can't fire until defcon 1, so even if it goes to scum we'll have had avid time to narrow it down and probably a couple potential-doc deaths in case there's randomly a nuke on the cop or something
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Trying to break the setup, are we? I feel like this could turn out badly for town but can't really place how. What happens if we get a bunch of treason?
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Then it's not a big deal because trying to break the set-up doesn't mean we can't scumhunt too.
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sorry battleship instead of sub.
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I'm sorry I was about to send in my list of neat roles I want to be but someone wants me to be the cop?
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Reading huh what's plan I don't see any fault with it, other then that he's obviously the serial killer and wants to nuke us all omg.
I am fine with sending in whatever, but if you give me a cop role I'm going to cop whoever I find suspicious and ignore your suggestions.
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I will go with HW's plan as of post #36
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HW confirmed scum for giving the guy who could tell 0 players by posting style the ability that lets them see the scum posting style more frequently :V
Oh well, I'm not planning on going against the plan anyways.
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I might see a problem but I just got back from work at 3 am so I'll see if it makes less sense tomorrow.
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Everyone the best course of action is to all take NMS - Offense, and then just wait for DEFCON1 and nuke each other to death.
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Currently not at home, so I'll chip in later. I was going to suggest a plan similar to what HW's trying to do but now I'm mostly worried if this game will become stratego-B. I mean, yeah, we can game the scum this way, but I'm pretty sure it can go the other way around as well. I'm thinking just select roles naturally + play the game naturally + catch the scum naturally like it were a normal game.
Though, again, I haven't read any of this in-depth. This is just a note.
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Dormio should give a solid reason to not vote him over his response to my post.
huhwhat how strong is this read?
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Everyone the best course of action is to all take NMS - Offense, and then just wait for DEFCON1 and nuke each other to death.
You're going to be the first to be nuked, Sir Serial.
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Cereal? That sounds nice. Although I prefer my Cereal with milk, not WMD's.
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ideally the weaker/newer players (no offense but yeah I think this is the best way to decide since game hasn't really started yet and we don't know who looks townie) are the potential docs so that scum can't make optimal kills
wouldnt this also apply to roles such as cop and tracker? i mean have scum make the choice between power roles or strong town reads by everybody?
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ok so i actually kinda noticed huhwhat did that in original post of the idea, but what made you change your mind?
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i take that back nobody ever trusts shadoweh
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cop is gonna be shielded by doc anyway
tracker/rolecop/roleblocker aren't really that useful
dormio read isn't seriously strong, i wanted to see how he'd respond (and in this case i'm fine with "nothing" tbh)
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The immediate problem I see is the cop being scum. The second problem is you being scum and setting up so that cop gets scum. There are many things that can go wrong if scum get the right roles. So yeah.
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luckily i'm obvtown 8)
i'm not too worried about potential holes in the plan because this isn't wordless mafia so it's not like we're going to be relying on it. it just gives us something to chat about and could make the game easier if all goes well
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sent in drafting pick for failsafe
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The immediate problem I see is the cop being scum. The second problem is you being scum and setting up so that cop gets scum. There are many things that can go wrong if scum get the right roles. So yeah.
These problems only really become problems if we don't scumhunt
All gaming the setup issues are only issues when people don't hunt for scum on the side.
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1. ActionDan - Bulletproof
9. Zakeri - Eavesdrop
3. Dormio - Tracker
10. BT - Rolecop
5. NekoNekoRex ft. Dorian G. - Roleblocker
8. huhwhat - Failsafe
7. Shadoweh - Cop
this leaves
Doc/Vig
6. Raikaria
4. Serela ft. J-Doe
12. PX
11. rawr
2. I have no name
Easier translations, go
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I want to launch all the nukes though. ;_;
Well, at least it's not the doctor.
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luckily i'm obvtown 8)
I agree!
I'm also fine with this now because, yeah, as long as we don't rely too much on the ~*~powerrole web~*~ we always have scumhunting.
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@Mod: The wording on Radar isn't clear, how is this ability used? Does it just track everything?
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@Mod: The wording on Radar isn't clear, how is this ability used? Does it just track everything?
Oops, I knew I forgot something. Yeah, it's just a standard tracker where you track one person. Factional kills cannot be tracked though, as stated.
A reminder that players have ~7 hours left to send in choices.
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Tch. An omni-tracker would have been JUST that much better.
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The immediate problem I see is the cop being scum. The second problem is you being scum and setting up so that cop gets scum. There are many things that can go wrong if scum get the right roles. So yeah.
Good thing I'm TOWNIE OBVTOWN so you don't need to worry. This reminds me of Mafia Rules Mafia actually, when I came up with a plan for night actions that would have won us the game, and Iced Fairy got out of it (that night anyways) by going PARANOIA and everyone doing their own thing. Huh what's plan is good. Huh what's plan is great. FOLLOW HUH WHAT JESUS TO THE PROMISED LAND.
Currently not at home, so I'll chip in later. I was going to suggest a plan similar to what HW's trying to do but now I'm mostly worried if this game will become stratego-B. I mean, yeah, we can game the scum this way, but I'm pretty sure it can go the other way around as well. I'm thinking just select roles naturally + play the game naturally + catch the scum naturally like it were a normal game.
Though, again, I haven't read any of this in-depth. This is just a note.
you can catch the scum naturally after you take your role, soldier. The scum will be the ones caught trying to cheat.
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Tch. An omni-tracker would have been JUST that much better.
NEVERMIND I'M TAKING A NUKE JUST FOR YOU
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Getting JUST a little angry, aren't we?
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Meh, battleship then sub let's go
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beep boop
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http://polsy.org.uk/lp/beepdog.swf
I was originally going to try and grab the sub, then anti-encryptor, then roleblocker. Mostly because I wanted to BOMB DORMIO I mean keep the SK from getting to BOMB DORMIO and keep the anti-town roles from BOMB DORMIO
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I JUST can't shake off this feeling that Shadoweh has a something against JUST me.
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i was gonna go cop -> failsafe -> offensive missile silo or something
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Distributing armaments. Please stand by.
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Day 1, DEFCON 3
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Dc_three_1.svg)
PYONGYANG ? North Korea Celebrates in Jubilation as Kim Jong-Un Single-Handedly Invents Atomic Bomb
It is now Day 1, Defcon 3. You have 5 days (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251) to decide on a lynch. With 12 players, it takes 7 to lynch.
Serela is V/LA celebrating Pi Day.
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##Vote Shadoweh
I can see the evil lurking behind her posts.
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Also:
treason
:/
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I take it you didn't get tracker then?
I did not get failsafe fwiw.
##Vote: Raikaria
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Yep.
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calling it, scum's picks were rolecop/tracker/cop
IF we have a rolecop then they can fuck scum up if they find a tracker.
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or I guess they'd have had to pick failsafe, hmm
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nah who am I kidding I just wanted scum to think I was vanilla even though there's no way they'd fall for it
anyway let's lynch Raikaria he is a member of the mafia.
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Looks like some people screwed the plan then >_>
I put in for battleship/sub (doc/vig) as the plan said. Obviously not going to say what I got because that defeats the purpose of obfuscating them :V
Wouldn't be surprised if scum went for sub as well on the off-chance they got it.
HW, did you get failsafe or not, from what I'm reading I think you're saying you got it but I'm not sure.
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Also why Raikaria?
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I take it you didn't get tracker then?
I did not get failsafe fwiw.
##Vote: Raikaria
yo dr rawr reading the game, take pictures now.
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I have HW down as SK or town, not scum.
Also, I'm like, totally lisensed to sit back and herp a derp for the rest of my days
Also
##Vote Rakaria
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yo dr rawr reading the game, take pictures now.
That shows a vote, it doesn't answer my question of WHY to vote Raikaria. We have a bit more information than a regular D1.
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Initializing operation D.A.R.K.C. Spotting initial target. Target acquired.
##Vote Dormio
Korean commie detected. Provide support or you shall be labeled as a communist supporter, and thus an enemy of the state. Any complaints bring up to my friends Liberty Prime and Hulk Hogan.
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Also, it's 3 am. Not reading.
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내가북한인이라고? 뭔말하고있냐?
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I'm ready to Fight.
##Vote Raikaria
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Guys, where I come from, you are told a few things before you are sentenced. Such as the charge, and your rights.
Neither of those have been read out to me.
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You have the right to shut the hell up.
Anything you say or do can and will be used against you.
Including actually shutting up like I suggested, so don't do that.
##Vote: PX
Early slight scumtell during Defcom 5
Announced intentions to lurk
North Korea isn't relevant yet.
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That shows a vote, it doesn't answer my question of WHY to vote Raikaria. We have a bit more information than a regular D1.
HW, did you get failsafe or not, from what I'm reading I think you're saying you got it but I'm not sure.
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Guys, where I come from, you are told a few things before you are sentenced. Such as the charge, and your rights.
Neither of those have been read out to me.
Where's the vote, doc?
That said, ##Unvote ##Vote Zakeri
What's the scumtell?
What about Dan's mention of SK Korea?
Actually, among the specified roles, both of you haven't claimed.
IHNN, why so curious about HW's Raikaria vote?
rawr, what's your stance on this? You're confusing me with the quotes. If you agree with IHNN, same question to you.
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no ihnn was just confused if hw did get failsafe i was just clearing that up. i dont actually particularly care about the raikaria vote atm. Right now im just thinking about dormio for some odd reason
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IHNN, why so curious about HW's Raikaria vote?
He seemed very convinced of Raikaria!scum and even after looking back at DEFCON 4 I didn't see any real reason to jump on Raikaria.
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I' here, I somehow missed my role PM getting sent to me.
I'm calling treason as well.
I have HW down as SK or town, not scum.
Explain?
no ihnn was just confused if hw did get failsafe i was just clearing that up. i dont actually particularly care about the raikaria vote atm. Right now im just thinking about dormio for some odd reason
I think HW meant he fakeclaimed treason but then took it back because he thought nobody would believe him. It's just mindgames.
I want to vote Raikaria for that "Let's blow everyone up" post in DEFCON 4 because it's the SK wincon, So ##Vote: Raikaria
I was going to jokevote Shadoweh too for posting beepdog.swf (way to eat an hour of my time, Shadoweh), but the game might be a bit too far along for jokevotes.
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He seemed very convinced of Raikaria!scum and even after looking back at DEFCON 4 I didn't see any real reason to jump on Raikaria.
Seemed like standard ED1 wagon works to me, though reading back I see what you mean.
I want to vote Raikaria for that "Let's blow everyone up" post in DEFCON 4 because it's the SK wincon, So ##Vote: Raikaria
I was going to jokevote Shadoweh too for posting beepdog.swf (way to eat an hour of my time, Shadoweh), but the game might be a bit too far along for jokevotes.
Bzzt, try again.
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Because jumping to conclusions based on a joke I made in DC 4 is such a reason to try and rush on me. If I was North Korea, then why would I announce my intentions right away? Surely I would keep myself hidden and attempt to further my win condition in the first place, rather than make it so obvious?
We did not even have roles at that point. You are lynching me based on what amounts to pre-game non-serious rambling.
At least that's more of a reason than some others voting me have given, even if not a good one.
Anyway, for what may be mafia happily jumping on a rolling bandwagon hoping for a quicklynch:
##Vote: ActionDan
I'd vote HW, but since he was the first vote, I think that's just RVS shins, but both ActionDan and BT I think may be hopping on attempting to bandwagon a town quicklynch. BT hopped off, of course, which is why I'm voting ActionDan.
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Anyway, for what may be mafia happily jumping on a rolling bandwagon hoping for a quicklynch:
It's an ED1 bandwagon.
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What's the scumtell?
Self-conciousness about his role. He was the first person to assert his identity as an American, which started a chain of jokes. I didn't pay much attention to the jokes afterwards since they had reason to join in at that point.
What about Dan's mention of SK Korea?
That was an auxiliary reason. I haven't had reason to examine Dan carefully yet.
Actually, among the specified roles, both of you haven't claimed.
I didn't say anything because nothing interesting happened to me. I'll keep everyone posted.
@Raikaria: Or is that just what you want us to believe?
And we did have our alignments at that point, which is the part we're suppose to be figuring out. At least, I had mine.
But still, no flak intended on Rai, since I agree with the wagon analysis as early as it is.
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Well, I decided to read Actiondan's vote post and I would like something more than "HW is probably not scum" to help the pills go down.
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##Unvote, ##Vote NekoNekoRex
Fair enough. I thought your vote was an awkward string of *reasoning* but I'm fine with that explanation.
Meanwhile NNR is right there hanging with a laughable vote. (Unless he was trying to put more pressure on Raikaria but it doesn't read that way.)
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##Unvote, ##Vote NekoNekoRex
Fair enough. I thought your vote was an awkward string of *reasoning* but I'm fine with that explanation.
Meanwhile NNR is right there hanging with a laughable vote. (Unless he was trying to put more pressure on Raikaria but it doesn't read that way.)
Kind of strange it took you three whole posts, and a post from Raikaria herself, to come to the conclusion I should be voted, considering you had your reasoning in your first post. Feeling indecisive?
Because jumping to conclusions based on a joke I made in DC 4 is such a reason to try and rush on me. If I was North Korea, then why would I announce my intentions right away? Surely I would keep myself hidden and attempt to further my win condition in the first place, rather than make it so obvious?
I hope you don't mean that I should be taking your post as a towntell either.
We did not even have roles at that point. You are lynching me based on what amounts to pre-game non-serious rambling.
Why should role choice affect my opinion on reads? I subscribe to Mafia for analysis, not information.
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I'm ignoring the fact Raikaria is actually male because Raikaria sounds like a female username.
Also I'm too lazy to check his profile
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I don't really see anything that really sticks out at me so far.
I am interested in what PX's next post will look like though.
I am amused by Raikaria and IHNN.
Both of them seem overly paranoid about HW's push on Raikaria and I'm not particularly convinced by either of their responses.
Also, I'm curious about Raikaria's vote.
Do you have any reasons other than Dan shifting his vote for voting for Dan rather than BT?
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Do you have any reasons other than DanBT shifting his vote for voting for Dan rather than BT?
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so scum has Roleblocker/Tracker/? I guess. where is serela.
imo maf were less likely to contest the plan since it draws attention to them if they look like they're going against something pro-town for bad reasons. Raikaria said literally nothing about the role draft and just spammed. don't really like his reaction to being voted either since he was obviously in no danger of being quicklynched, feels forced
Both of them seem overly paranoid about HW's push on Raikaria and I'm not particularly convinced by either of their responses.
IHNN is town tho
NNR, is Raikaria scum?
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if scum wanted to snag the roleblocker then i would assume shadoweh is non-maf if she successfully pulled cop
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Do you have any reasons other than Dan shifting his vote for voting for Dan rather than BT?
Since new page just going to put this there because I'm really curious about this.
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Kind of strange it took you three whole posts, and a post from Raikaria herself, to come to the conclusion I should be voted, considering you had your reasoning in your first post. Feeling indecisive?
Nice, but no. I wanted Zak's reply first.
Your vote is very much joke-level despite being aware of the game progressing only a sentence later. What's up with that, lad?
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Dormio, where do you lean towards right now? A gut feeling will suffice.
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HW I pretty much agree with you on Raikaria but we already got *a reply*. I want to see what he produces now on his own while I poke at other things.
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scumteam:
one (1) of NNR / Raikaria
drrawr
Alice BRKatroid
what do i win
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Nuclear warheads.
Are those by order?
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not really I just posted random guesses so I could point to them postgame if I'm right
I think rawr's posts are scum pseudocontribution though. Don't have anything on NNR for real but want him to elaborate on his Raikaria vote more.
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A thought: if Dormio and NNR can use nukes once we reach DEFCON 1, then they're either very crafty scum or confirmed non-maf.
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Since new page just going to put this there because I'm really curious about this.
Not really at this stage of the game. Not enough has happened for me to have anything much else to go on. At least BT getting quickly off, without a counter-wagon forming, makes me think he wasn't attempting to just wagonshove.
As for you thinking I'm double-bluffing that early in the game, why would I want to draw attention to myself before the game even starts proper?
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Raikaria: how is placing a second vote out of 7 on somebody an attempt to quickwagon them?
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Raikaria: how is placing a second vote out of 7 on somebody an attempt to quickwagon them?
Someone's got to start the wagon moving, and the vote went up to 3/7 almost immediately afterwards. I had yet to say anything at DEFCON 3, and yet I was 3/7 to lynch. To me, that looks like an attempt to start a quickwagon before I can get a word in edgeways.
Assuming Dan was scum, there's 2 more scum votes to add [4/7] and NK would probobly jump on too [5/7]. All it would require is two more townies to have jumped on and scum could have quickhammered.
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Raikaria: how is placing a second vote out of 7 on somebody an attempt to quickwagon them?
Because the vote is on him, and Raikaria is super town kawaii which means everyone is scum out to get him.
Also, I would like to bet a Cherry Lime-aid Soda that at least one of the people on your bucket list are town.
In any case, I'm not convinced that the actual scum have taken more than one step forward in this discussion yet.
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if scum wanted to snag the roleblocker then i would assume shadoweh is non-maf if she successfully pulled cop
Eh, even if she did, we can't assume this. We don't know if all the treason claims are true.
Raikaria: An early day quickhammer really isn't realistic when you consider the consequences of... hammering at the beginning of the day.
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Raikaria is super town kawaii
I'm leaning town too due to this quickhammer talk but why the ultra strong read here? Why the confidence, I mean.
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Dormio, where do you lean towards right now? A gut feeling will suffice.
Raikaria bad.
Waiting for PX.
Shadoweh scum.
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so scum has Roleblocker/Tracker/? I guess. where is serela.
imo maf were less likely to contest the plan since it draws attention to them if they look like they're going against something pro-town for bad reasons. Raikaria said literally nothing about the role draft and just spammed. don't really like his reaction to being voted either since he was obviously in no danger of being quicklynched, feels forced
IHNN is town tho
NNR, is Raikaria scum?
I don't have any hard scumreads yet, but Raikaria is the closest I can find for that at the moment. His responses so far have been pretty lackluster. If my vote were a prod for reactions, then he would have failed :V
The game is still very early in, so it's hard to say where people stand. All the rolespec/scumspec really clogs up the pipes as well.
Speaking of which, Raikaria, it's silly to assume that scum are going to force a quickhammer on D1, it's more or less suicide with everyone potentially being a vig.
I can't keep up with these new replies.
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so scum has Roleblocker/Tracker/? I guess. where is serela.
imo maf were less likely to contest the plan since it draws attention to them if they look like they're going against something pro-town for bad reasons. Raikaria said literally nothing about the role draft and just spammed. don't really like his reaction to being voted either since he was obviously in no danger of being quicklynched, feels forced
IHNN is town tho
NNR, is Raikaria scum?
Changed my mind,
##Vote: HW
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I'm leaning town too due to this quickhammer talk but why the ultra strong read here? Why the confidence, I mean.
"One must always speak with confidence if they want others to listen." is what I'd like to say, but really I was actually just saying that as sarcastically as possible to make fun of his presumed line of logic.
But yeah, you're right in that the quickhammer talk isn't something I'd think scum would pull.
Edit: Hey Dan. mind using more words than that? We'd appreciate it.
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no.
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Changed my mind,
##Vote: HW
Can you elaborate on what that you quoted made you change your mind?
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And yes I am fully aware it has already been asked, however extra pressure is the intention.
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##Unvote
##Vote: NekoRex
Raikaria's latest response isn't GOOD but it makes me think his earlier posts weren't from a scum mindset. NNR saying "Raikaria's responses have been lackluster" without going in-depth makes me think he's just clinging onto a weak vote for the sake of voting.
no.
Except your vote sucks and is an example of when wordless votes aren't a good idea. Really, what do you expect me to respond with at this stage of the game? There's nothing useful to say to you and you're not convincing anybody to vote me.
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Zak, what do you think of Serela?
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##Unvote: PX
##Vote: ActionDan
Edit: Serela?
I didn't really notice he was in the game yet.
Reread shows that I have no reason to care.
Although, his claim of being missing for the first half of day one when he meant to say the first half of Defcon3 reminds me: It's not until defcon 4 that Scum get their NK, and days =! defcon status, correct? Wouldn't it be better for town to quicklynch (or, at the very least keep it to 48 hours deadline)?
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afaik DEFCON 2 (not 4, you're counting forwards instead of backwards) starts after we lynch in DEFCON3 and there's been a night phase. then after we lynch that day and night happens it stays DEFCON 1 for the rest of the game
conq can correct me if I'm mistaken
I think as far as non-posters go Serela is worse than PX since he literally just said "I'm okay with this plan" and did nothing else at all
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##Unvote
##Vote: NekoRex
Raikaria's latest response isn't GOOD but it makes me think his earlier posts weren't from a scum mindset. NNR saying "Raikaria's responses have been lackluster" without going in-depth makes me think he's just clinging onto a weak vote for the sake of voting.
Except Raikaria's earlier posts were pregame nonsense? I don't know where you're getting a scumread from that DEFCON 4 stuff myself.
If I'm voting for the sake of voting, and can't catch any other scumreads, what's the solution to this no-win situation for me?
This game hasn't been my best so far anyway. I didn't join and expect to get shafted into picking Roleblocker, which is probably the least useful role for town (and in fact is only a great anti-town role) in any case, and I'm not really happy that half of these posts have been speculation over who's causing treason and how scum can benefit from whatever rolepicks they decided to get/steal.
In fact:
if scum wanted to snag the roleblocker then i would assume shadoweh is non-maf if she successfully pulled cop
Quit this line of thinking right now. Did you ever consider Shadoweh could be scum to begin with? These silly assumptions don't factor in that you never knew who scum were to begin with, and your forced picks mean any three people you assigned a role could be scum.
As for you thinking I'm double-bluffing that early in the game, why would I want to draw attention to myself before the game even starts proper?
I don't even know what you mean by this but it's making my head hurt trying to comprehend it.
no.
Of all the pointless white noise I'm sifting through to find a nonexistent scum read here, your surprisingly quiet post actually pisses me off the most. Put down a reason on your vote and respond to questions in the thread, or else it makes you look like an ass. A lazy one at that.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Action Dan
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These silly assumptions don't factor in that you never knew who scum were to begin with
scumslip imho
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scumslip imho
Explain? I am steadily losing patience here and you probably are aware my patience for Mafia games was not high to begin with. Despite the past... I dunno... month's effort on the contrary?
It's surprising how easily this game is ticking me off. Must be an MotK thing.
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ok: NNR you have a huge wall of text complaining about me. am i scum, a null read or what
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Personally I think you're anti-town for ever suggesting everyone gets assigned one role to pick, but your posts don't show any scum intent.
So null I guess. Possibly SK?
I'm mostly ticked off by the game state, not your posts.
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scumslip imho
lol.
oh you.
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well obviously nnr didnt follow through with the plan and must be scum right? :wat:
lynching dan would be pretty cool. the only possible reason i can think of is that he got one of strong roles and is doing this just to get an excuse to claim. possibly?
Kind of strange it took you three whole posts, and a post from Raikaria herself, to come to the conclusion I should be voted, considering you had your reasoning in your first post. Feeling indecisive?
dont you think thats a little bit out of context? i mean he waited to zakeris reply to his prior post
id place my vote on actiondan but no vote counts so imagine me voting actiondan and stuff
lol.
oh you.
oh youuuuuuu
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will nuke dan if i am lynched today, not even kidding
i believe nnr is legit frustrated but i think his frustration is coming from scum. the amount of ~~pro-town fluff~~ addressing me from the PoV that nnr thinks i'm town (see: the post i quoted) doesn't seem honest
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rawr, what are your reads on other players?
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Actually fuck it
##Vote: ActionDan
I have no interest in playing this game with anti-town shithead "mafiascum good" play. Seriously dude, stop posting like a retard and start playing mafia. I don't think you're terrible enough to be reading me as scum right now if you're town even though you're basically a MS player now.
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for the record I don't think Dan is scummier than NNR right now, that's a vote to policy lynch if he doesn't start playing mafia. It's not actually improbable he's scum/SK so I'm still playing to win.
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I really should have suggested that we make backup pick plans so this didn't happen. On the plus side..
Raikaria bad.
Waiting for PX.
Shadoweh scum.
I'll remember this when my nuclear warheads go off. Incidentally, something funky is going on because it sounds like all 4 of the main people didn't get the roles they were suposed to so far? huh what, Neko, me and Dormio. This is actually good, in a way, since it means BT is the new Cop. A few things before that phase starts:
IF YOU'RE ONE OF THE DOC/VIG GROUP DON'T DROP A NUKE IT'LL SHOW YOU'RE NOT THE DOC.
DOC THE FIGHTER, HE IS LOOKING FOR THE SCUMS.
HW are you threatening that as a townie or as a terrorist FU to town? Also wouldn't it be easier to wait until tomorrow to see if Neko lied about being changed to a nuke launcher?
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lynching dan would be pretty cool. the only possible reason i can think of is that he got one of strong roles and is doing this just to get an excuse to claim. possibly?
##Vote: Dr. Rawr
This is a dumb post. If Rawr were reading the game he would be able to tell me why this is dumb.
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we'd have to wait until D3, not tomorrow
OKAY so BT is town since scum stole RB to block him every night. I did not actually lose my role; I was gonna fakeclaim but then realized I didn't think that through at all and scum would know my role wasn't stolen.
I'm making that threat as town who wants Dan out of the game if he's not going to Play Mafia (though I don't seriously expect to be lynched today).
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tbh dan is probably sk
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ew do we really have to wait until Day 3, Conq this is unacceptable this game is meant for like 20 more people.
Seriously though from a gamist perspective what group should we lynch from?
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The group of people that look scummy.
Will read NNR/HW arguing and post later when I have time.
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uuugh also I apologize for basically snapping at dan when I voted him, have not really been in the best of moods lately and now I feel kinda bad whoops
I still want him dead if he's not really gonna play tho
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though I mean I am pretty obvtown this game (- Raikaria) and the overtones of people not wanting me lynched are p obvious so I don't think town!Dan would be going "man whatever I don't have to explain my HW vote" if he was town who wanted me lynched for being scum? if it's a reaction test he shouldn't have made that response to my NNR quote
.-. i should be doing homework instead of sperging at mafia games
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##Vote: Dr. Rawr
This is a dumb post. If Rawr were reading the game he would be able to tell me why this is dumb.
NOPE
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no really i dont, iirc this isnt the first time dan has done this
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Day 1, DEFCON 3
Total Votecount
ActionDan: Raikaria, Zakeri, NekoNekoRex, huhwhat (4)
Dormio: PX (1)
NekoNekoRex: BT (1)
Shadoweh: Dormio (1)
huhwhat: ActionDan (1)
rawr: Shadoweh (1)
Not voting: IHNN, Serela, rawr
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 4 days and 3 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
ew do we really have to wait until Day 3, Conq this is unacceptable this game is meant for like 20 more people.
Funny story: I was going to have a vote for Total War on D1 (meaning we would skip from DEFCON 4 directly to DEFCON 1 and NUKES EVERYWHERE but I decided against it.)
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i completely forgot we have 5 days
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Day 1, DEFCON 3 - Game Event
WASHINGTON (AP) - Wikileaks releases latest batch of diplomatic cables in ongoing row between organization and world governments.
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Foxtrot. Robot. Sodapop?
Long live your laundry!
Just had a close call landing in Tampa. The tires blew out upon landing.
Foxtrot. Soda. Uniform. Open. III.
Foxtrot. Uniform. "VS. Oscar. Mike."
Foxtrot. OK.
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Also, this is a friendly mod note to play nice. Mafia can get heated, but let's not devolve into name-calling. :)
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Warning - while you were reading a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
What the fuck. Fuck you, you shitty mod.
<Conqueror> :colbert: Banned.
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Based on those QT posts I suggest we nuke PX for being obvious scum.
Rawr: The role that Dan got is limited to three things: The role he was assigned, a nuke, and scum. There is no magic to claim there.
huh what: Well you do get hyperdefensive when you're scum so forgive me for NEVER FORGIVING YOU FOR FOOLING ME EVERYTIME OMFG.
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Yeah I really don't like NNR's #146 and others.
Like what is with the AtE there? Why is there a need to mention annoyance at the game state without saying what annoys you?
I mean, it seems like the main focus of your frustration is coming from the attack on Raikaria and I'm left wondering why this frustrates you so.
On the topic of Raikaria I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth.
The whole overly defensive behaviour really strikes me as being very odd. Especially when we get Raikaria's weirdass scenario where everybody will magically jump onto him for no reason whatsover in the first few hours into the game.
I mean I think that it's way too paranoid.
Coupled with NNR, I don't like it.
I also don't like that Raikaria's only reason for voting for Dan over BT was that BT moved his vote.
I mean isn't that basically saying that Raikaria is OMGUS'ing?
And it's really too early to judge given that Dan didn't even post before Raikaria voted him.
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Oh, and also:
##Unvote
##Vote ShadowehNekoNekoRex
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Dan is dumb and I wish he'd elaborate on his thoughts.
Because, seriously Dan, what you're doing is retarded.
Also PX needs to fucking post.
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Also what the fuck Serela was in this game?
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<Conqueror> :colbert: Banned.
Abuse of power. Reported.
<Conqueror> I will edit your posts and turn your words to candy
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<Conqueror> I will edit your posts and turn your words to candy
Pedophile confirmed.
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...I'm not reading Dormio as scum this game what madness is this.
Right now I don't like rawr's content at all but at the same time that's his usual thing so I'm not sure if it's coming from scum or rawr. Doesn't look much like effort to me.
ActionDan is ??? unreadable and from what I've seen he's been solid town from ED1 when town so this kind of bugs me.
I don't see Raikaria coming from scum. At least not passive scum but scum usually don't overspeculate. Possibly SK but definitely focused on self-preservation.
NNR is putting in effort and again being wagoned. I don't see why, I have a very solid town read on him right now.
So for now I will ##Vote: rawr as I think that's the most likely place to find not town at the moment.
Also what the fuck Serela was in this game?
In travel today. Like I suddenly had a bit of a busy day out of nowhere.
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I forgot you were in this game too.
Goddamnit people why are you all so forgettable?
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Oh right I forgot Serela said that he wouldn't be here for 1.5 days.
Anyway.
IHNN: Since you're gunning for Rawr, thoughts about PX?
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thoughts about PX?
PX is in this game?
I'm forgettable this game from having not really posted in DEFCON 3 due to being busy all day.
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Yes, and since you're voting Rawr for low effort content, I'm wondering what you think of people like PX who have no content whatsoever.
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I think PX needs to post stuff so I can actually read him. I'll pass an opinion on him when I actually can.
For me I was active in DEFCON 4 so you could I guess get a starting read off that. PX's posts in that phase...translation, "meh sure" and pointing out scumroleshenangians in the plan (which of course, assume scum actually took what they were told)
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So your opinion is that you have none?
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Let me follow that up with another question.
What makes Rawr's low effort scummier than PX's no effort?
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Yeah I really don't like NNR's #146 and others.
Like what is with the AtE there? Why is there a need to mention annoyance at the game state without saying what annoys you?
I mean, it seems like the main focus of your frustration is coming from the attack on Raikaria and I'm left wondering why this frustrates you so.
On the topic of Raikaria I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth.
The whole overly defensive behaviour really strikes me as being very odd. Especially when we get Raikaria's weirdass scenario where everybody will magically jump onto him for no reason whatsover in the first few hours into the game.
I mean I think that it's way too paranoid.
Coupled with NNR, I don't like it.
I also don't like that Raikaria's only reason for voting for Dan over BT was that BT moved his vote.
I mean isn't that basically saying that Raikaria is OMGUS'ing?
And it's really too early to judge given that Dan didn't even post before Raikaria voted him.
I'm always the hyper-defensive conspiracy theorist. In addition I always get an ED1 wagon.
Also, my vote will remain on AnctionDan for reasons that other people have made clear. He's not even playing. He's refusing to give more information when asked for his opinions, and I'm not sure if he's made a post with an actual sentence yet. Until I get a clear scumread, or ActionDan steps up, I'll be keeping my vote there. At the point I placed my vote neither Don or BT had been contributing.
Now, on the topic of scumreads, not liking the whole NNR v HW exchange myself, mainly because of this post:
ok: NNR you have a huge wall of text complaining about me. am i scum, a null read or what
I fail to see any great wall of text complaining about you from NNR. #146 is mainly talking about NNR's own vote and him/her being annoyed, and Dan being annoying. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg956129.html#msg956129) Why accuse NNR of forming a wall of text against you when he hardly mentioned you? Either you're not reading or are making things up to appeal to the people who are not reading.
Not enough for a solid scumread, but still seems funny to me.
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Why defend NNR?
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Also, I like how you just adopt other people's reasoning after very clearly stating that you didn't have any other reasons.
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In regards to Dan over BT that is.
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I just realized the flaw in the role list plan: the lynchlist is the fucking potential doc. Roleclop, search anyone who claims treason, huh what has a lynchlist, and I only remember him setting one up as scum. Also, I'm fuck all tired, so I'm not even going to read mafia until Saturday when I finally get a damn break.
##Unvote
##Vote huh what
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Why defend NNR?
Because Huh What is calling NNR out on something he did not do? It doesn't matter who was calling who out, if they're calling them out for false info, I'll call them out on it. Why defend Rawr?
Also, I like how you just adopt other people's reasoning after very clearly stating that you didn't have any other reasons.
What other reason is there when the limit of contribution from ActionDan is but a few words? There's not exactly much else to go on in regards to ActionDan. And, as I said in my previous post, at the time of me voting, neither ActionDan nor BT had been saying much, but at least BT showed he wasn't just a sheep riding a wagon. Both Dan and BT just jumped on Rawr's vote, without giving reasons. BT then hopped off, showing he wasn't just riding wagons. At the stage we were at, there isn't exactly much else to say about my reasons at that time.
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IDK why I said Rawr's vote. It was Huh What's vote. I have no clue why I keep calling HW Rawr.
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And for that matter why did I say 'Why defend Rawr'. Oh god I'm derpy with names this morning.
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I was about to ask where I was defending Rawr.
Though I would also like to ask how I'm defending HW.
Because Huh What is calling NNR out on something he did not do? It doesn't matter who was calling who out, if they're calling them out for false info, I'll call them out on it. Why defend Rawr?
That's perfectly good and all if you're staging an attack on HW but it didn't seem that way to me.
Rather it seemed like you were defending NNR rather than attacking HW.
There is an important difference between the two in my opinion.
What other reason is there when the limit of contribution from ActionDan is but a few words? There's not exactly much else to go on in regards to ActionDan. And, as I said in my previous post, at the time of me voting, neither ActionDan nor BT had been saying much, but at least BT showed he wasn't just a sheep riding a wagon. Both Dan and BT just jumped on Rawr's vote, without giving reasons. BT then hopped off, showing he wasn't just riding wagons. At the stage we were at, there isn't exactly much else to say about my reasons at that time.
Do you have any reasons other than Dan shifting his vote for voting for Dan rather than BT?
Not really at this stage of the game.
The consistency here really jumps out at me.
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In case my thoughts aren't clear, I'll lay them out.
I currently think that Raikaria and NekoNekoRex are scum that panicked and overreacted to an ED1 wagon.
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Also, Dan and PX are lame.
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Too busy having all the posts. All of them.
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I was about to ask where I was defending Rawr.
Though I would also like to ask how I'm defending HW.
The same way you think I'm defending NNR. I'm not defending anyone. If Huh What had made that claim against anyone, I'd have called him out for it, unless it was justified. It's an attack on Huh What, pointing out his false claim, not defending NNR.
If you accuse me of defending NNR in response, it looks like you are defending Huh What to me.
In case my thoughts aren't clear, I'll lay them out.
I currently think that Raikaria and NekoNekoRex are scum that panicked and overreacted to an ED1 wagon.
I invite you to look at every mafia game I've been in. I always get wagoned ED1, and I always react to it.
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I always get wagoned ED1, and I always react to it.
Don't care. Paranoia over a wagon that appeared for no reason denotes a guilty conscience in my books.
Anyway, maybe you're right in regards to attacking HW v. defending NNR. Dunno.
Except with stuff like
I don't have any hard scumreads yet, but Raikaria is the closest I can find for that at the moment. His responses so far have been pretty lackluster. If my vote were a prod for reactions, then he would have failed :V
Except Raikaria's earlier posts were pregame nonsense? I don't know where you're getting a scumread from that DEFCON 4 stuff myself.
this from NNR, I'm pretty fishy about anything the two of you do in relation to each other.
Also, NNR fence-sitting with his opinion on HW is totally scummy. Just saying.
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Don't care. Paranoia over a wagon that appeared for no reason denotes a guilty conscience in my books.
Anyway, maybe you're right in regards to attacking HW v. defending NNR. Dunno.
Except with stuff likethis from NNR, I'm pretty fishy about anything the two of you do in relation to each other.
Also, NNR fence-sitting with his opinion on HW is totally scummy. Just saying.
Town don't want to be lynched either. People playing a game usually don't want to stop.
I presume what is making you think NNR's reactions at two different points in the game, almost a day apart, is fishy, is the fact he changed his mind, or found someone he dislikes more than me? I fail to see what is so fishy about someone changing their mind in a day, especially at this stage of the game, where the content to look at probobly more than doubled.
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And why the fuck would you be worried about being lynched by an ED1 wagon. It's paranoia I say.
After all, I don't think an ED1 powerlynch has actually ever occurred.
It's pretty contradictory how he states that he disliked your reactions to the ED1 wagon and that you were probably scum to him because of it but then in the very next post that he makes he says that he can't understand where anyone could possibly see your reactions as being scummy.
It makes me think that he simply said what he did to get a response out there which he promptly forgot about.
Also, a day apart? Try something closer to 3 hours.
And it's not about finding someone he dislikes more than you. That would be far more understandable.
What he did was completely change his opinion about you from probably scum to how could he be scum?
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Also, a day apart? Try something closer to 3 hours.
Or 2.5 hours even.
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Just chilling in my weirdass timezone where all the Americas are asleep.
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Also if Conq isn't carefully there are, like, totally going to be pages without votecounts.
Also I think I may have gone slightly insane at some point in time.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Whatever.
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Or 2.5 hours even.
For me the first post was marked 'Yesterday' and the 2nd post was marked 'Today'.
It crossed 12:00 am GMT.
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Does that change the fact that the time lapsed was only 2.5 hours?
In fact, the fact that you worded it that way to make it seem like a longer period of time that it was could be seen as an attempt to further defend your friend NNR.
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Just saying.
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Let me follow that up with another question.
What makes Rawr's low effort scummier than PX's no effort?
"The evil you know over the evil you don't know". Information will make itself available with time, so the person that looks bad is marginally worse than the person that has done nothing, as of right now.
Anyways going to be AFK for at least 6 hours so yeah. Also 3 hours of sleep for the loss.
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RE: Raikaria: in context he was complaining about my attack on him being unreasonable and my thoughts about how scum is handling the setup being unreasonable
I like both the NNR / rawr wagons but don't have anything more to add to them. Would actually take rawr over NNR since he feels like he's putting in scummy non-effort. Thoughts on Dan are the same as my last post (he is legit scummy now that I've thought about it instead of just being frustrated with everything).
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since people want some clarification.
HW blatantly scumslipped. When you see it you'll shit bricks.
I suppose there are maybe a few auxillary reasons to suspect him that hobbled together might look like a shanty of a case, but the above is the breadwinner.
@HW: Yeah, I can't blame you for "snapping" at me, but there isn't anything you can do to defend. I am a little amused how your attitude towards me has evolved from PL to an offhand comment about me being the SK to this most recent post calling me legit scummy.
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Day 1, DEFCON 3
Votecount Urgent Fury
ActionDan: Raikaria, Zakeri, NekoNekoRex, huhwhat (4)
NekoNekoRex: BT, Dormio (2)
huhwhat: ActionDan, PX (2)
rawr: Shadoweh, IHNN (2)
Not voting: Serela, rawr
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 3 days and 14 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
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##Vote: rawr
More after school
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Looking at the post you quoted I don't see a scumslip worth vacating into my pants over..
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Looking at the post you quoted I don't see a scumslip worth vacating into my pants over..
Agreeing with Shadoweh here.
If you think there is such an important scumslip, why are you so hesitant about sharing it with the town, so that the scum gets lynched?
To me, saying 'I know this huge scumslip but I won't tell you what trust me guys k?' is anti-town at best and outright scum at worst.
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I wouldn't go that far. I'd want other people to be able to see it on their own too, and I'm pretty sure Dan knows he's not going to be able to push a case on huh what over nonsense considering his hypnotic qualities.
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2 new pages this can't be good.
OKAY so BT is town since scum stole RB to block him every night. I did not actually lose my role; I was gonna fakeclaim but then realized I didn't think that through at all and scum would know my role wasn't stolen.
There we go again with the speculation. I suppose that Shadoeh is now infallable town for having his role stolen?
Yeah I really don't like NNR's #146 and others.
Like what is with the AtE there?
It's called "venting".
Why is there a need to mention annoyance at the game state without saying what annoys you?
I thought my #146 quite clearly stated why this game is frustrating to me. My role pick and the amount of rolespec/scumspec fluff is frustrating and getting voted on top of that for ~tone~ is even more annoying because I have no defense against it. I can't even use my role to prevent my lynch here because I'm fucking vanilla again. Not that Roleblocker was of any value to town anyway. I hate being disposable.
I mean, it seems like the main focus of your frustration is coming from the attack on Raikaria and I'm left wondering why this frustrates you so.
Mostly because it's hard to discern anything else as a scumread because this game is so bad. Also when I am unhappy I tend to miss stuff which only leads me to playing worse.
I currently think that Raikaria and NekoNekoRex are scum that panicked and overreacted to an ED1 wagon.
I invite you to look at every mafia game I've been in. I always get wagoned ED1, and I always react to it. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13138.msg868036.html#msg868036)
EDIT: And look what day it is again! It's a good thing today isn't deadline.
Aside from that, what wagon? I don't see an actual wagon on me yet.
HW blatantly scumslipped. When you see it you'll shit bricks.
Feel free to quote and explain.
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HW blatantly scumslipped. When you see it you'll shit bricks.
##Unvote: Actiondan
##Vote: Actiondan
Please explain what this scumslip is.
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I think as far as non-posters go Serela is worse than PX since he literally just said "I'm okay with this plan" and did nothing else at all
That doesn't really seem all that bad to me comparatively. If anything, I'd be more ready to argue that PX's attempts to argue with the plan look like forced content posts. Either way, it doesn't really have anything to do with why I want PX lynched.
Did you ever consider Shadoweh could be scum to begin with? These silly assumptions don't factor in that you never knew who scum were to begin with, and your forced picks mean any three people you assigned a role could be scum.
This is true. If Shadoweh get's cop, there's just as much of a chance that it's because you have cop to scum, rather than Scum deciding they didn't need to grab cop out from under town. Getting the role you were assigned doesn't make you town.
Based on those QT posts I suggest we nuke PX for being obvious scum.
~<3
Also, can someone be nice and explain who Oscar is? Thanks~
I've reread NNR and Dr. Rawr. I don't have anything personal against them, but Rawr can easily be my number three choice if I can't get the two I want now.
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Also, can someone be nice and explain who Oscar is? Thanks~
(http://blog.allanellenberger.com/wp-content/uploads/oscar.png)
I'll get to this in a bit. I've been swamped with assignments.
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HW you're silly, I was on airplanes returning to the east coast of US from Hawaii all day. The mod even announced me as V/LA. :C I forgot what that means but that's not the point, anyway I'm back now hi
Kind of tempted to vote Dan, but there's enough "what the fuck is even going on here" in that area that I'd rather let him explain himself first. Voting him anyway would just feel like sitting on my laurels not giving a fuck which would be dumb
HW should lay off the role spec because even with attempts to break the setup it really isn't going to get anywhere to start that stuff ASAP (that being said, idle suggestions on what certain roles should do with their powers a la Shadoweh/PX's things, are totally cool as long as people don't start getting into big discussions about it. And no I don't mean px's vote on hw)
I'm having an issue deciding which of Rawr/Raikaria/NNR are actually good voting options. Maybe IHNN could go in that list too. I guess this is because, when it comes down to it, the game only just started and I rarely get much out of ed1 >_> I keep typing "I have no interest in voting ____" and then I read another one of their posts and backspace that out. Buh.
Rawr feels too easy of a target. He didn't even vote, and I headtilt when trying to read his post. I'd almost feel bad even suggesting I want to vote NNR because it feels like he's been immediately wagoned (and usually lynched) in all recent memory of mafia on here.
Oh my god I seriously have an issue with not wanting to vote people before late day 1. Nevermind.
##vote ActionDan
Everyone I didn't mention is in a group of "they look alright to me so far".
All it would require is two more townies to have jumped on and scum could have quickhammered.
I giggled
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When I scrolled up a little and saw Zakeri voting Dan I went "oh god did I just hammer Action Dan" and then I looked harder and went "oh he's just revoting him, nevermind
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Also, can someone be nice and explain who Oscar is? Thanks~
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z177/King_Yoshi42/Avatars/OriginalDejiko/8951ca42.png) I think that's the point.Does that change the fact that the time lapsed was only 2.5 hours?
In fact, the fact that you worded it that way to make it seem like a longer period of time that it was could be seen as an attempt to further defend your friend NNR.
Quit acting like he has to fight my battles for me. It's hard enough to find scum in you lot without having people pinned to me as scumbuddies. Besides, I myself already stated HW wasn't the problem. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg956141.html#msg956141) Maybe he should answer to why he thought I my text wall which clearly only mentioned him once was all directed at him.
Dormio what is your opinion on HW?
I'm starting to piece together stuff about him, my read yesterday was clouded by frustration and I'm feeling less obstinately angry about Mafia. Half his reads are rolespec, and his reads change too quick, as if he's thinking way too hard and putting things in a perspective he can agree with more easily, even if not honest, ie going from "dan is SK" to "dan is totally scum". It strikes me as scum trying to paint someone in a bad light to make them look more suspicious over time.
Stuff like this: Raikaria's latest response isn't GOOD but it makes me think his earlier posts weren't from a scum mindset. NNR saying "Raikaria's responses have been lackluster" without going in-depth makes me think he's just clinging onto a weak vote for the sake of voting.
Just isn't true. I responded to Raikaria's response. I shouldn't have to have had explain why I thought it was lackluster because I responded to it directly.
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It's called "venting".
Why do we need to hear it?
I can't even use my role to prevent my lynch here because I'm fucking vanilla again.
Why is this a thing?
Guess what? Roles mean absolutely nothing to me this game.
I said it earlier, didn't I? Lynch the people that look scummy.
And I think that's the opinion that everyone else should be sharing.
Mostly because it's hard to discern anything else as a scumread because this game is so bad.
More shitty AtE.
Why is the game bad? Because people are attacking Raikaria?
I invite you to look at every mafia game I've been in. I always get wagoned ED1, and I always react to it. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13138.msg868036.html#msg868036)
Going to tell you the same thing I told Raikaria: Don't care.
My role pick
You could have tried saying you wanted something else during DEFCON 4?
Either way, who gives a fuck about the role you get?
the amount of rolespec/scumspec fluff is frustrating
I think the only person that's really been doing this is HW.
It's hard enough to find scum in you lot without having people pinned to me as scumbuddies.
Not my fault if it looks like you're defending Raikaria and vice versa.
I like how you haven't responded to any of my points regarding this.
Your change in opinion in particular interests me.
Dormio what is your opinion on HW?
I'm reading HW as town right now. Problem?
Also, Dan sucks.
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Still believing in the power of love that binds NNR and Raikaria together.
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Honestly I don't have much to say on the developments. So I'll just post where I stand:
Huh What: Still don't like that post I indicated earlier, even with the explanation given, he had hardly mentioned you, let alone formed a wall of text.
Dormio: You're wrong. However, feel free to keep persueing your power of love theory. Still, I think you're town, since you are clearly scumhunting and putting effort in.
ActionDan: At first my vote was borderline OMGUS/Prodding for actual reasons. Then it was 'play or get lynched'. Now my vote on him is for his 'scumslip' which no-one else seems to be able to read, yet he refuses to elaborate on. Sorry, but why would you not explain a 'scumslip' that no-one else seems to understand? I'd probobly consider moving my vote if he'd just explain, but as it stands his refusal to do so is screaming scum to me.
Pretty much everyone else I have a null read on at this stage, be it due to a lack of participation, or me just not having my mind made up.
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I just find it really weird how strongly you reacted to votes without rhyme or reason, yet you can just nonchalantly ignore my suspicions about you.
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I forgot what that means but that's not the point,
Vacation/Limited Access iirc.
Also is it just me being tired, bored, and trying to avoid doing any work or are people not posting.
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Pee Ecks if we're waiting until Saturday in America time that's like AFK'ing for 3 days.
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but saturday is tomorrow :C?
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In America time PX spend the 13th not posting, the 14th not posting, the 15th not posting and he'll finally be back on the 16th.
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Spent. I'm good at typing. Unless PX feels liking showing up earlier than what he announced.
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More after school
j/k i'm gonna play fe13 all day
dan is probably not scummy like i thought if he was voting me over a perceived scumslip (which he'd assume he could out at any time to guarantee a wagon) and not a case he withheld from the town for no reason
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Dormio, Neko, you are forbidden from talking to each other, SERIOUSLY.
Also Neko this game doesn't HAVE vanillas.
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I would vote PX for lurking but that dead horse smells really bad to me today.
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There we go again with the speculation. I suppose that Shadoeh is now infallable town for having his role stolen?
GODDAMNIT I'M NOT A DUDE Yes, but if I'm the one that has to explain the logic of why then no one will believe me because it's me saying it. There's too many missing roles for me to have gotten away with being a nuke though.
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Dormio, Neko, you are forbidden from talking to each other, SERIOUSLY.
Bite me. Does that mean you think he's town and that you don't agree with my thoughts in regards to Raikaria x NNR OTP?
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GODDAMNIT I'M NOT A DUDE
Since that's crossed out... futa?
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I think you're town. I don't know if it's possible to tell scum-NNR arguing with you from town-NNR arguing with you because he's always angrilly arguing with you. I am not averse to dropping a nuke on Raikaria.
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What do you make of Raikaria and NNR's attitudes towards each other?
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Also since Shadoweh didn't respond to the futa comment she's obviously not town.
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I haven't been paying enough attention to note them, to be honest. Delving will have to wait until I'm not having an insomnia period with too much work. I am mostly looking to see what Dan is going to say besides lulz.
I purposely ignored it, but my immediate reply would be takes one to know one.
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Day 1, DEFCON 3
Votecount Paul Bunyan
ActionDan: Raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Zakeri, Serela (4)
NekoNekoRex: BT, Dormio (2)
huhwhat: ActionDan, PX (2)
rawr: Shadoweh, IHNN, huhwhat (3)
Not voting: rawr
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 3 days and 2 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
rawr has been prodded with the passion of a thousand burning suns.
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Day 1, DEFCON 3 - Game Event
Saturday, 16 March 2013, 00:39
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 05 MOSCOW 009533
SIPDIS
SIPDIS
EO 12958 DECL: 08/30/2016
TAGS PGOV, ECON, PINR, RS">RS
SUBJECT: LAST WEEK'S GAME
Classified By: Deputy Chief of Mission [REDACTED] A. [REDACTED]. Reason 1.4 ( b, d)
SUMMARY:
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Rocky don't look at me with that face.
No Rocky I am not going to Sharpie angry eyebrows onto you, just so you can look at me with a different face.
Okay Rocky I guess you CAN look at me with that face then. I guess you're right you don't have a choice.
These messages are brought to you today by the letter "H" and the number "4".
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Good activity.
Don't know what I can really say right now.
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I purposely ignored it, but my immediate reply would be takes one to know one.
I will, however, note that there is no denial here.
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one of those messages is either shadoweh or supposed to sound like shadoweh
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@mod: Is that first post from the scum QT? It is honestly hard to tell.
I think the Sesame Street reference sounds like BT actually. I am suspicious of that actually being leaked and Conq not just giving it because it's hilarious. (also if I were scum I would never post in the QT because I can't change the way I am.)
<Conqueror> The post before the dashes is flavour.
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Good activity.
Don't know what I can really say right now.
I be sleeping.
Also I'm waiting for ActionDan's response to about three of us demanding her explains himself.
IDK enough about meta to comment on the leaks.
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So I just off work, and the only reason I'm functioning is soda addiction + free Sprite, and I was just told that I might work tomorrow, which was 100% guaranteed my first day off in 10 days. Fuck this gay earth see you guys in around 14 hours or so. Proddodge
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Oy vey iz mir.
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IT SURE WOULD BE NICE IF I COULD ACTUALLY USE THIS NUKE CONQ. YOU PROMISED ME NUCLEAR DEATH. 1/5 STARS.
Raikaria: No matter the explanation I doubt it will be satisfying to people unless it's 'huh what accidentally leaked number of scum/roles/outted all his buddies' so you should not wait for him. And probably get off Dan while you're at it because his wagon is dumb and based on HE SURE DID A THING.
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I'm not getting off Dan unless something else happens.
Right now Dan is refusing to explain this mysterious scumread he has, which is anti-town, saying 'Hey guys you should totally vote this person because I found this scumread, but I won't tell you what it is' is stupidly anti-town and I am going to lynch him for it unless he changes his tone.
It doesn't matter if we don't agree with his scumread, as long as he actually gives an understandable reason and stops meeting the above, I can actually start considering voting someone else. As it stands Dan is by far the most anti-town person in this game, and usually giving off massively anti-town vibes... means you're not town.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
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##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
If this is an attempt to threaten me off voting ActionDan, it's not working.
If it's an attempt to vote me for some other reason, why vote me over the other three voting ActionDan, when I'm the only one to have clearly explained my reasons beyond his activity?
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IT SURE WOULD BE NICE IF I COULD ACTUALLY USE THIS NUKE CONQ. YOU PROMISED ME NUCLEAR DEATH. 1/5 STARS.
Raikaria: No matter the explanation I doubt it will be satisfying to people unless it's 'huh what accidentally leaked number of scum/roles/outted all his buddies' so you should not wait for him. And probably get off Dan while you're at it because his wagon is dumb and based on HE SURE DID A THING.
Any explanation outside of "lol, just kidding" or "I'm not telling you because it's so obvious" is a satisfactory explanation.
Shadoweh, tell me more about why Rawr used to be scum, or why Raikaria's keeping his vote on Dan being anti-town is anti-town enough to warrant a vote from you.
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Shaddy~ both times you've voted that I checked you were like "This is dumb, you're being dumb, stop being dumb" and then the other guy was like "No." and then you voted them for insubordination.
I want to know who the scum are, but I have crippling insecurities and I need to you give me a good reason why they are scum :(
Why is it that only the people who don't need to talk are the ones talking?
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I'll post more later but...
##vote: serela
Its easier to post from a computer
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I'm so lonely.
I should kidnap that damn rock.
##Unvote: Actiondan
##Vote: Shadoweh
Dan still needs to face his crimes
PX is still scum.
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Man, I go to sleep and hope that there will be this flurry of activity for me to go over and look at when I wake up.
Every morning I'm disappointed.
Still don't like Raikaria.
Reacting so largely to the ED1 random votes on himself yet basically completely ignoring my suspicions of him is certainly a thing.
Along with everything else I've said.
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Mass prod on ActionDan, IHNN, NNR, and BT
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Holy shit they were in this game?
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I'm reading, cutie.
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I thought I posted something last night but I was remembering the night before.
Shadoweh's blank vote bugs me but not enough to vote.
I really don't have anything else to add right now :/
I mean I guess Raikaria looks weird but it's not scummy weird.
Also when I woke up my gut was screaming "VOTE HUH WHAT VOTE HUH WHAT" so while I slept 12 hours I clearly was either delirious or noticing something off.
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Also if PX is going to superlurk there's not much point voting him right now due to people having nukes. We can just take him out that way if it continues.
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Prod lightning strikes Serela.
NEW YORK (AP) ? World leaders voice concern at recent rumours of a suicide cult called the Do-Nothings. The movement is purported by some to be a counterreaction to the fast pace of modern first-world life.
Day 1, DEFCON 3
Votecount Eldest Son
ActionDan: Raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Serela (3)
Serela: rawr (1)
NekoNekoRex: BT, Dormio (2)
Raikaria: Shadoweh (1)
Shadoweh: Zakeri (1)
huhwhat: ActionDan, PX (2)
rawr: IHNN, huhwhat (2)
Not voting: No one
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 2 days and 7 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
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Was goofing off all night, sleeping all day.
I just realized the flaw in the role list plan: the lynchlist is the fucking potential doc. Roleclop, search anyone who claims treason, huh what has a lynchlist, and I only remember him setting one up as scum. Also, I'm fuck all tired, so I'm not even going to read mafia until Saturday when I finally get a damn break.
##Unvote
##Vote huh what
I want people (or at least HW) to give a reaction to this post. It struck a chord with me when I found it and it kind of feels true. It feels like we're all putting votes on the potential docs on D1, which is contradicting the whole point of giving weak players the doc in the first place (so that the doc would be harder to kill). Huhwhat's role assignments are turning into a disaster for town and easy pickings for scum.
Dan still hasn't explained himself, which is annoying. I feel like I'm not going to need his explanation to justify my vote on Huh What anyway. I have my reasons in #223, and the above. Huhwhat needs to get off his "I'm lol obvtown" high horse.
##Unvote
##Vote: Huhwhat
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OKAY so BT is town since scum stole RB to block him every night.
Wait, what? How did your train of thought reach this if you think NNR might be scum?
On the topic of Raikaria I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth.
The whole overly defensive behaviour really strikes me as being very odd. Especially when we get Raikaria's weirdass scenario where everybody will magically jump onto him for no reason whatsover in the first few hours into the game.
I mean I think that it's way too paranoid.
Coupled with NNR, I don't like it.
I also don't like that Raikaria's only reason for voting for Dan over BT was that BT moved his vote.
I mean isn't that basically saying that Raikaria is OMGUS'ing?
And it's really too early to judge given that Dan didn't even post before Raikaria voted him.
I don't get your reasoning here. Why's the Dan Over BT vote problematic? Wouldn't paranoia over being quicklynched by scum imply that he's town?
Dan is dumb and I wish he'd elaborate on his thoughts.
Because, seriously Dan, what you're doing is retarded.
Also PX needs to fucking post.
Also what the fuck Serela was in this game?
The tone here bothers me too. Seems like exaggerated frustration... especially considering I don't know where the frustration would come from at all.
...I'm not reading Dormio as scum this game what madness is this.
Right now I don't like rawr's content at all but at the same time that's his usual thing so I'm not sure if it's coming from scum or rawr. Doesn't look much like effort to me.
ActionDan is ??? unreadable and from what I've seen he's been solid town from ED1 when town so this kind of bugs me.
I don't see Raikaria coming from scum. At least not passive scum but scum usually don't overspeculate. Possibly SK but definitely focused on self-preservation.
NNR is putting in effort and again being wagoned. I don't see why, I have a very solid town read on him right now.
Oh boy.
-Reads most of the relevant slots as town and parks on the lazy dude. I frankly can't see how he'd read Dormio AND NNR as town this easily with nothing more than "I read them as town".
-Basically left Dan as a backup "this bugs me" vote that would... probably be more compelling to vote than rawr, considering rawr is "just like always, unsure if scum" and Dan is "NOT like always, bugs me". It's very probable that he did this just to avoid the Dan wagon (it was already at 4 votes at the time~).
##Unvote, ##Vote I have no name
Because Huh What is calling NNR out on something he did not do? It doesn't matter who was calling who out, if they're calling them out for false info, I'll call them out on it. Why defend Rawr?
Raikaria townread found.
And for that matter why did I say 'Why defend Rawr'. Oh god I'm derpy with names this morning.
O-Oh. :( Still reads like town as of his posts in this range.
I was about to ask where I was defending Rawr.
By basically telling IHNN he should be voting PX instead, though I don't think it's defending as much as it's, well, pointless. Wasn't IHNN's vote bad enough in general?
That's perfectly good and all if you're staging an attack on HW but it didn't seem that way to me.
Rather it seemed like you were defending NNR rather than attacking HW.
There is an important difference between the two in my opinion.
Really?
Not enough for a solid scumread, but still seems funny to me.
Seems to have been noted to me.
"The evil you know over the evil you don't know". Information will make itself available with time, so the person that looks bad is marginally worse than the person that has done nothing, as of right now.
So now rawr looks "bad"? Tell me what looks bad to you. You said you found him just as always so the "bad" you refer to is general-bad, not scummy-bad, in which case, yes, it's just like voting someone that hasn't posted yet.
I like both the NNR / rawr wagons but don't have anything more to add to them. Would actually take rawr over NNR since he feels like he's putting in scummy non-effort.
Have you read Disgaea Mafia? I thought he was scum there for behavioral reasons (when he was in fact town) and I'm getting the same vibe from his posts right now.
since people want some clarification.
HW blatantly scumslipped. When you see it you'll shit bricks.
Show it to us, Einstein.
Okay no, these aren't really waffles but you're not giving any actual opinions here. It's like instead of talking about a list of scumreads you talked about a list of people-that-can-be-voted. Give me the former in your next post.
Dormio, Neko, you are forbidden from talking to each other, SERIOUSLY.
Here's a thing, Shadowmeh. Why are your posts this game pretty much devoid of reads? Even if you have them (this is what this post implies? --nevermind, Dormio asked the same thing and you replied), you're not stating them and update: when you do you don't go in-depth or show any form of scumhunting.
I think the Sesame Street reference sounds like BT actually.
I actually don't know which of the two posts you're talking about here!
And both you and Raikaria shouldn't "wait for Dan", that's just dumb. I'm treating it as a side thing -- if he decides to try to convince the town I'll listen. (I agree with Raikaria here but don't think his unhelpfulness isn't Dan-plausible and another parked vote on a 5-man wagon is zzz.)
Like my vote on IHNN more than the other things pointed out in this mammoth post. Consider his latest post where he says Shadoweh bugs him as well but he'd rather stay on rawr, when Shadoweh was the other rawr voter before she switched. No indication that he thinks this is odd or that he's going to put effort to fix his useless vote that, surprise, isn't going anywhere (at least not until huhwhat shows up). ... huhwhat is the other person he wants to vote. I rest my case.
Other reads are more flexible. I'll see if I can put them in order tomorrow. It's late -- rather post this for reactions right now.
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Holy shit that's long and I see things addressed to me so I'll get to that once I'm done reading.
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I'm going offline now anyway.
Gut reaction to NNR's latest post is... town. I think it's the high horse part, but I'll let things sink in when I read tomorrow.
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I don't get your reasoning here. Why's the Dan Over BT vote problematic? Wouldn't paranoia over being quicklynched by scum imply that he's town?
Well, I think that paranoia of being quicklynched is scummy because it's an overreaction that I think is caused by having the mindset of scum.
By basically telling IHNN he should be voting PX instead, though I don't think it's defending as much as it's, well, pointless. Wasn't IHNN's vote bad enough in general?
I think that was part of why I was doing that because I was legit curious about what differentiates low effort and no effort.
I mean I was kind of expecting an answer like Rawr has shown himself to be here while PX has the excuse of work or w/e but I didn't even get that.
Really?Seems to have been noted to me.
Dunno. I thought that statement seemed rather weak.
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bt: if nnr is scum who picked roleblocker for real then that's the same as scum "stealing" it
not really reading so no serious posts until i feel like doing that but nnr's recent post is something he'd post as scum and not town. i'm ok with being lynched if it means i can nuke him
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until i feel like doing that
this isn't actually going to happen by the way
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Don't have much to say to those replies except "vote IHNN with me".
Off for reals.
cut- expand on that. I'd say "I know enough of NNR's meta" but clearly Disgaea says "fuck you" to that.
RE: reply... it isn't really the same because it would have been handed to scum, though if that's what you thought I guess that's some sort of thought process.
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it's just not how he'd word the post if he was town
do you guys think it would be considered an unfair/tactical sub out if i requested a replacement because i've just been :| about posting in this game since thursday
on the other hand that would mean i can't nuke scum!nnr if i get lynched
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If you want a real reason NNR is scum, him switching from the Dan wagon to the person Dan is voting when Dan hasn't done anything NNR should find impressive is lol
really the dan vote was probably just to get people off his back since it was easy pickings
but other than that he's just not posting from a town mindset and I can tell. aside from in the post where he switched to dan most of his emotion is empty (look at the rage about being vanilla and tell me that's not blatantly fake) and he's probably just putting it in his posts to wifom people.......
##Vote: NNR
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rawr I still think looks like he isn't actually trying to look for scum intent but his contribution are so sparse it's just kinda hard to get a feeling for it
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also NNR talking to me like he believes I'm town only to turn around and say he thought I was null when pressed was seriously a scumtell, how does nobody else see this
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btw IHNN's posts are Bad but it's not "scum made up a bunch of weak/waffly shit to get out of posting" bad. More like "Town doesn't have any thoughts" bad. I don't really want to lynch him, or seriously anybody other than NNR/rawr/me so I can shoot NNR/rawr tbh
Shadoweh trying to think Raikaria is scummy is a scumtell aaaand I'm out of legit contribution
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oh and if BT was the one posting those quicktopic messages they wouldn't have periods at the end.
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:( posting about mafia makes me want to actually read the game
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Do it.
(Why am I still here?)
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Yeah I'm not moving my vote either. HW turning around all his reads just to backlash on me isn't doing him any favors.
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I want people (or at least HW) to give a reaction to this post.
The main argument is that the lynch list is the doctor list. This of course presumes that the entire town as a whole is retarded enough to resort to things like having a list of more than half the players that we just lynch for no god damn reason.
It's called thinking about it. Try it.
Also, the real problem with HW's plan is that it included Eavesdropper as one of the roles a person would actually role. I should have just dropped the plan and taken the sub or something.
posting about mafia makes me want to actually read the game
Then do it.
If you want a real reason NNR is scum, him switching from the Dan wagon to the person Dan is voting when Dan hasn't done anything NNR should find impressive is lol
He didn't switch to the person Dan was voting for. He switched to the person PX was voting for. It just so happens that Dan was also voting for said person.
Of course, PX is still scum, and NNR is dumb for following along that line of reasoning, and also PX hasn't done anything in the game that even resembles scumhunting and is just forcing an opinion so he can lay down a lazyvote, and seriously, NNR, you can still redeam yourself if you help me start a wagon on PX, I don't think you're scum yet.
That was a tangent. In any case, HW's case on NNR doesn't work because it's forcing a perspective that doesn't actually have any real meaning. His reason for his vote has nothing to do with Dan's vote, so the comparison is just to make NNR look worse.
Yeah I'm not moving my vote either. HW turning around all his reads just to backlash on me isn't doing him any favors.
This is a town vs. town argument if I've ever seen one.
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Yo. What's up. Sundays aren't really a good day for me.
Anyway, reading the stuff that happened.
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Why would I turn around and vote PX though, Zak? It feels lazy to vote a player who's only contributed once. Besides, I have plenty of stated original reasons to be voting HW anyway, including exactly what you said about him forcing a perspective.
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The latest exchange between HW and NNR doesn't really change my opinion at all so I'm not going to waste any more words on that.
But then again it's based mostly around Raikaria. But whatever.
Instead let's talk about other things that have happened.
I dunno, I find Zakeri and BT's words to be agreeable. But something about Zakeri rubs me in the wrong way. I dunno what it is. I'll read more and look into this later.
Still not liking IHNN.
I don't really know what to say right now. Oh well.
I mean I could second guess myself because I also think that there's something off with HW but that just leaves me utterly confused about NNR's actions in regards to Raikaria.
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including exactly what you said about him forcing a perspective.
Well, you didn't really point it out on your own, but I suppose it is a reasonable reason to vote for someone.
Also, Saying PX has contributed once is an over-exaggeration. His content is only better than dan's by the fact that he didn't cause everyone to lose their mind for two days and going.
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If you want a real reason NNR is scum, him switching from the Dan wagon to the person Dan is voting when Dan hasn't done anything NNR should find impressive is lol
really the dan vote was probably just to get people off his back since it was easy pickings
but other than that he's just not posting from a town mindset and I can tell. aside from in the post where he switched to dan most of his emotion is empty (look at the rage about being vanilla and tell me that's not blatantly fake) and he's probably just putting it in his posts to wifom people.......
##Vote: NNR
Admittedly claiming vanilla in a game with no vanillas does seem like something only someone who didn't get a 'vanilla' PM would do. Also I can't be scum dipsmurf, who stole my role if I am? (I can prove I don't have it by throwing a nuke at you and killing us both in sweet nuclear oblivion so don't give me that IS ACTUALLY THE COP shit. Actually so can NNR so why would he lie about that?)
A blank vote after a post would imply that it is that post that I consider bad enough to warrant lynching, but apparently we're still at the 'it twitched weird maybe we can lynch it' stage.
I'm not getting off Dan unless something else happens.
Right now Dan is refusing to explain this mysterious scumread he has, which is anti-town, saying 'Hey guys you should totally vote this person because I found this scumread, but I won't tell you what it is' is stupidly anti-town and I am going to lynch him for it unless he changes his tone.
It doesn't matter if we don't agree with his scumread, as long as he actually gives an understandable reason and stops meeting the above, I can actually start considering voting someone else. As it stands Dan is by far the most anti-town person in this game, and usually giving off massively anti-town vibes... means you're not town.
This post is a miraculous waste of time. If Raikaria really wanted to know if Dan had discovered a scumslip, ie if he were actually hunting for scum instead of trying to ride the Dan wave, he would be LOOKING FOR THE GOD DAMN SLIP HIMSELF. Since he's literally doing nothing but posting about voting Dan and waiting for him to explain this scumslip, it's not like he has anything better to do.
On top of that, it is not that big of a deal. Not explaining your reads is NOT SCUMMY. Doing this is causing people to vote Dan in the first place and making a huge ruckus. This isn't a scum-motivated action. Instead it's taking a reason to coast and driving it into the ground, while when this mystical explanation actually happens, he already stated he intends to just hop off and consider someone else! No, how about we consider lynching YOU right now?
Zak: Don't start with me. I don't try to suspect people, I wear the tinfoil hat of EVERYONE IS SCUM.
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Well, you didn't really point it out on your own, but I suppose it is a reasonable reason to vote for someone.
Also, Saying PX has contributed once is an over-exaggeration. His content is only better than dan's by the fact that he didn't cause everyone to lose their mind for two days and going.
I'm starting to piece together stuff about him, my read yesterday was clouded by frustration and I'm feeling less obstinately angry about Mafia. Half his reads are rolespec, and his reads change too quick, as if he's thinking way too hard and putting things in a perspective he can agree with more easily, even if not honest, ie going from "dan is SK" to "dan is totally scum". It strikes me as scum trying to paint someone in a bad light to make them look more suspicious over time.
PX has only posted once since DEFCON 3. That's one contribution.
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What the hell does Raikaria have to do with Me vs HW, Dormio? I dropped Raikaria like, two realtime days ago.
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Obviously I meant vanilla in the context of the game, ie "None of the non-silo roles"
I can't believe I actually have to make a post about something that obvious.
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For the sake of maybe finding the answer to that, why did you drop Raikaria and why will you not pick up the spear of vengeance against him?
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Because unlimited dayvig is obviously vanilla.
Again, Sunday is a bad day for me so I'll look at everything properly later.
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so scum has Roleblocker/Tracker/? I guess. where is serela.
this was the slip for those still oblivious.
There is no taking into account the SK. and if SK is included in the word "scum" then there are only 3 slots instead of 4.
Also from simply skimming the thread, Serela is also scum. Like it's immpossible for Serela not to be scum based on the post where he votes me.
Shadoweh's town.
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Day 1, DEFCON 3 - Game Event
"Major, we've intercepted something interesting from one of the recently added frequencies."
"Don't just tell me about it, show me what you've got."
...
"I swear I didn't tamper with these in any way, sir."
"Inform me if we intercept any further communications."
"Yes, sir."
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God damn I love catgirls
How can I even explain why I like catgirls? There are just so many reasons.
Is it their ears? Their fuzzy, twitchy, cat ears? That could be one reason I love catgirls.
Maybe I like catgirls because of their fuzzy tails, swishing about.
Holy fuck this guy is talking to cats within the first sixty seconds
But no catgirls yet
im gay
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Day 1, DEFCON 3
Votecount Eagle Claw
ActionDan: Raikaria, Serela (2)
I have no name: BT (1)
Serela: rawr (1)
NekoNekoRex: Dormio, huhwhat (2)
Raikaria: Shadoweh (1)
Shadoweh: Zakeri (1)
huhwhat: ActionDan, PX, NekoNekoRex (3)
rawr: IHNN (1)
Not voting: No one
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 2 days and 2.5 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
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Maybe when I have to work all day I should remember I actually need to get online and post before I go to work
It's hard to advance my opinions on people when half the game is superlurking. (Admittedly I am a part of this group right now >_>;; This will not change a whole lot during Day 1 because I'm working from almost when I wake up 'til a few hours before I sleep for the next several days)
RE:Votes on HW for the plan, while the plan isn't exactly working out the best it still seemed solid enough at the time so I can't really say HW is scum because of it (That being said, it probably has ended up being more of a benefit to scum then just playing "normally"), zero interest in hw lynch apart from him getting to revengekill
And I do mean "votes on HW for the plan", I haven't seen people voting HW for reasons that aren't the plan he suggested (By the way, this is bad, and makes me dislike the HW wagon for more reasons then not wanting to lynch HW)
Shadoweh's response to Raikaria's latest post (it being pretty useless) is spot on.
Also about the vanilla thing, I dunno, vig is a pretty awesome role to have. Most of the PRs you can choose here are significantly less exciting then being a vig. With multiple shots, no less.
Dan's new post is really unexciting. "Here's the slip, Serela is 100% scum, bye"
Since apparently a lot of people want to lynch HW, and a lot of people want to lynch Dan, how do people feel about the prospect of lynching HW and letting him Failsafe-murder Dan? (I suggest he would do this because he's said he wants to, so.)
I almost suggest this seriously, except,
conq does the failsafe have a revengekill of any type when lynched
the role description does not say this but HW continuously heavily implies it
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I am really tired so I keep forgetting to clarify that when I talk about people's posts being really unexciting I mean it in a "this looks bad in a not-town way"
especially with dan
he should really have more to say about the game and I shouldn't have to elaborate on why
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dan if you seriously think that's a slip then i don't know what to tell you
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HW turning around all his reads just to backlash on me isn't doing him any favors.
dude i've been scumreading you for a majority of the day up until now
i would nuke serela over dan btw
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I am entirely aware that my post isn't that great and I am too tired to correct this
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oh wait, failsafe isn't vengeful. .-. i seriously thought it triggered on lynch as well as nk...
that's lame since i can't just lynch myself and actually have to push a case which is honestly just bad game design and not something you should ever have to do in mafia
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Serela that post is scummy as hell. "I hate the HW wagon, anybody up for dan+hw double mislynch?"
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^ that's a scumslip btw ^
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Wow I didn't even notice that. I am so totally the best!
The fact that a HW lynch is now unexciting for all reasons doesn't retroactively make that less bad looking, I assume? >_>
Still think Dan is pretty bad and am totally happy leaving my vote on him. Opinion on NNR/IHNN hasn't changed and I feel like collapsing into bed rather then trying harder to change this. Probably going to sleep in a minute because I can't think straight even for my own standards.
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omg scumslip vote for huh what he made a plan and random dice made stuff happen
dan wanna come lynch Raikaria with me I will make you waffles
Also apparently the scum QT is 83% catgirls and 17% people coming out of the closet.
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Also I thought it would be related to that. I do not see why the SK would steal either of those roles instead of say, someting that would actually help them win the game..
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conq does the failsafe have a revengekill of any type when lynched
No.
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That was a tangent. In any case, HW's case on NNR doesn't work because it's forcing a perspective that doesn't actually have any real meaning. His reason for his vote has nothing to do with Dan's vote, so the comparison is just to make NNR look worse.
that's not the main reason I think NNR is scum though I think it's weird he'd turn around and vote with Dan in context
His Raikaria and Dan votes were votes for the sake of voting so that people would get off his back. He attacked my rolespec as if he was talking to a town read only to turn around and say I'm null when pressed. Now he says I threw away all my reads to attack him, which, given that I still find rawr scummy and have found NNR scummy for most of the day, shows he is reading less of the thread than I am.
17% people coming out of the closet.
the only people here who would post "im gay" with that particular punctuation/capitalization (like, even think to do so in the first place) in the scum quicktopic are me or NNR trying to sound like me
so.
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Also I thought it would be related to that. I do not see why the SK would steal either of those roles instead of say, someting that would actually help them win the game..
only role worth stealing for SK is roleblocker and I didn't even think SK would want to steal roles until Dan pointed this out
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There is no taking into account the SK. and if SK is included in the word "scum" then there are only 3 slots instead of 4.
If that's the entire slip then its an SK-slip.
This D1 is probably the second most content and yet I'm more clueless than I usually am at this stage...does not bode very well for the rest of my game.
Also lol at the bad NNR impersonation, thanks for revealing that someone on the scumteam has a sense of humor :V
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the only people here who would post "im gay" with that particular punctuation/capitalization (like, even think to do so in the first place) in the scum quicktopic are me or NNR trying to sound like me
so.
that's a meme in the speedrunning community on twitch (if not further out on the site/community) so I know PX knows about it, and probably Serela too. and probably BT.
so there's that.
Honestly I'm ignoring the leaked messages other than laughing at them for impersonating stuff.
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Idle numbercrunching because I procrastinate everything including sleep:7 people alive on day 3 if no crosskills or doc protects or no lynches, and then the sub/missile silos are open to vig. Not to mention there'd be 4 alive day 4 with -no- nuking occuring. Just something to think about.
If town wins, the lynch probably isn't going to be a big contribution to why, in the end :P Apart from driving the posts that we analyze.
also IHNN reminds me of that sda guy "IlikeyourbootybutImnotgay". And I should stop babbling
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dude i've been scumreading you for a majority of the day up until now
I meant your other scumreads, ie rawr and dan. You put me away to vote those two and now you pretty much dropped them as soon as I put a vote on you.
that's lame since i can't just lynch myself and actually have to push a case which is honestly just bad game design and not something you should ever have to do in mafia
I can't even take you seriously anymore >_>
For the sake of maybe finding the answer to that, why did you drop Raikaria and why will you not pick up the spear of vengeance against him?
What?
this was the slip for those still oblivious.
There is no taking into account the SK. and if SK is included in the word "scum" then there are only 3 slots instead of 4.
So he's scum for not taking into consideration who the SK is?
....I don't really get how that's such a big scumtell but I'm still satisfied where my vote is.
Scum QT Quotes
(http://i.imgur.com/DqKiyqX.png) lol
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also IHNN reminds me of that sda guy "IlikeyourbootybutImnotgay". And I should stop babbling
^proves my point exactly.
Also I vaguely remember that trolling person (but if you look anywhere on the site you'll see my account name there is the same as here)
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IHNN I don't think Serela would make that post, especially given his reaction
others, shrug
NNR: Dan hasn't been a scumread since I switched to rawr. rawr never stopped being scummy but I'm more certain about my read on you
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You know I'm pretty sure I'm reading more of the thread than a lot of people in the game.
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IHNN I don't think Serela would make that post, especially given his reaction
others, shrug
My point was that other people know of that phrase so it's null and not a scumtell on either you or NNR.
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tbh, the main reason Dan thought my post is a scumslip and nobody else got it until he pointed it out is probably because he's non-town and knows that more than one alignment stole a role
otherwise it shouldn't stick out to him given that I had no fucking idea how it was even a scumslip when he told people to look at the post he quoted. I'm calling him as SK who legit thinks I'm scum.
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*6 people alive day 3, 3 on d4 with no vigging
the game pretty much ends n3 unless all the vig-capable people are dead by then
Rawr never stopped being scummy but he can't be regarded as existing in a serious manner and lurking to that degree is pretty much unlynchable d1 because infinite useless (Dan is totally a different case I swear)
I think HW's reasoning is vaguely reaching, but honestly most of the last few posts just seem to be blobs of confusion, so it almost looks nonsensical in comparison.
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I think HW's reasoning is vaguely reaching, but honestly most of the last few posts just seem to be blobs of confusion, so it almost looks nonsensical in comparison.
NNR or Dan?
Dan I understand, but I think it's a good bet since the thought occurred to absolutely nobody else, including me. You guys know who to lynch when the scum are all dead, at least.
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(to elaborate though I don't think Dan is a member of the mafia. It's possible but I don't think he is.)
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Shadoweh, can you explain why my case on NNR (see response to Zak) isn't 10/10 worth sheeping to you
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Dan, and I meant sensical, not nonsensical. Wait a second... sensical isn't a WORD. Okay, I'm going to stop posting now, I only should have stopped like half an hour ago >_>
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Sundays suck.
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> Wakes up
> Suddenly 2 and a half more pages.
Well damnit.
A blank vote after a post would imply that it is that post that I consider bad enough to warrant lynching, but apparently we're still at the 'it twitched weird maybe we can lynch it' stage. This post is a miraculous waste of time. If Raikaria really wanted to know if Dan had discovered a scumslip, ie if he were actually hunting for scum instead of trying to ride the Dan wave, he would be LOOKING FOR THE GOD DAMN SLIP HIMSELF. Since he's literally doing nothing but posting about voting Dan and waiting for him to explain this scumslip, it's not like he has anything better to do.
On top of that, it is not that big of a deal. Not explaining your reads is NOT SCUMMY. Doing this is causing people to vote Dan in the first place and making a huge ruckus. This isn't a scum-motivated action. Instead it's taking a reason to coast and driving it into the ground, while when this mystical explanation actually happens, he already stated he intends to just hop off and consider someone else! No, how about we consider lynching YOU right now?
I direct you to #215, where I agree with your statement that I cannot see a scumslip (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg956365.html#msg956365)
That implies that I tried to find one. Suddenly your basis of the argument 'Why are you not looking for it?' loses all premise. Also that argument has no point on the following:
Why would Dan not explain it in the first place?
What is the benefit for Dan not explaining it?
All he could possibly accomplish is wasting town's time. Which is anti-town. Combined with the rest of of his behavior, and a lynch is long justified. Give me one thing Dan has said or done that has the slightest whiff of being town.
The quote in the linked post also implies you tried to find the scumslip and couldn't.
As a result, asking for explanation, how on earth is that scummy?
I said I would consider voting someone else. I also said 'unless anything else happens'. I'm basically saying 'At this current moment, Dan looks the scummiest because of X, but he can do Y and my vote loses it's main meaning'. Of course I can't keep voting Dan for his invisible scumread [on top of other things], when he 'explains' it.
So basically, you're voting me because:
You can't find the scumread either
You don't seem to want to know what the scumread is
You somehow think it's town to say 'Hey guys there's a huge scumread here you should totally vote this guy! I won't explain why even when multiple people say they can see no scumread!'
I'm curious what caused the U-Turn on seemingly wanting to know what the scumread is in #214 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg956361.html#msg956361), and your attitude in the quote above.
You are being completely nonsensical. How on earth you can even justify that behavior as town is beyond me. And seeing as that's the only thing beyond about 3 words Dan has posted all game, it's all we have to go with. At worst for us he's an anti-town townie not playing, and at best for us he's scum.
In fact, I said I'd keep on Actiondan unless something else happens. It has. You're proving completely nonsensical defenses for blatantly anti-town behavior. If Dan keeps being useless someone can nuke him. You're voting someone for attacking someone who has not done a single town thing all game. Do you realize how that makes you look?
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
I'll comment on other stuff after my head clears of Shadoweh stupidity.
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Oh, to add to the above, accusing me of wagon riding when I started the wagon and was on ActionDan all game is a bit silly too. It's not like I jumped on.
I'm not the only one who's said that Shadoweh's reactions towards me are scummy either, before the above is accused of OMGUS by Shadoweh.
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BT has posted more, and I'm getting an overall town read from his post in general.
On the matter of IHNN; I don't really understand what is going on for the reasons, because I don't understand the whole HW plan that seems core to the reasoning for the votes and arguments. So I fail to understand what is *so* bad about what he is saying. We're assuming people even followed any plan. I sure didn't.
on the other hand that would mean i can't nuke scum!nnr if i get lynched
Why would you be softclaiming FailSafe D1, except to scare people off lynching you [Which doesn't even work like that it turns out] Can't read too much into this since Failsafe doesn't work on lynches, but still, don't like this line.
On the other hand HW has finally given a reason for his NNR hate, which I actually agree with as well. Every time HW seems to do something I think is scummy, he does something that I think is town right after @_@
Really thinking BRK is town. I'm not sure what specifically is making me get such a strong townread on him, but I'm getting one.
I think Ran is town, even if he's anti-me. I'm curious what rubs him the wroing way from BRK, however, but he states he's not sure either. Considering I'm not sure what rubs me the right way either, I can't exactly call him out too much on that fact anyway @_@
For the sake of maybe finding the answer to that, why did you drop Raikaria and why will you not pick up the spear of vengeance against him?
Also this is bad. Real bad. What the hell is Shadoweh saying here? Spear of vengeance against me? If anything I've been leaning to being on NNR's side. More Shadoweh gibberish, and more reason to vote him.
this was the slip for those still oblivious.
There is no taking into account the SK. and if SK is included in the word "scum" then there are only 3 slots instead of 4.
Also from simply skimming the thread, Serela is also scum. Like it's immpossible for Serela not to be scum based on the post where he votes me.
Shadoweh's town.
I'm still perfectly happy with an ActionDan lynch, by the way, as he continues to say stuff with 0 use, 0 effort, and 0 explanation. Why is Shadoweh town except for the fact he/she is attempting to get me off you? Why are you STILL not explaining the slip, but acknowledging it?
Serela pls don't use Yellow @_@
And then it's a bunch of meta which I cannot comment on.
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Oh, and the only reason AD gives for Serela!Scum is 'He voted me'.
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PX fails to dodge a prod
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Anyway, shit happened.
Raikaria and NNR's latest posting makes me think again about my reads. But it's just way too hard to ignore first impressions.
I like Selery so far today for whatever reason.
I'm also wondering what's up with Swadomeh. Might drop NNR/Raikaria to go for her. Dunno.
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This post is a miraculous waste of time. If Raikaria really wanted to know if Dan had discovered a scumslip, ie if he were actually hunting for scum instead of trying to ride the Dan wave, he would be LOOKING FOR THE GOD DAMN SLIP HIMSELF.
I searched for the scumslip myself. I had no clue what Dan could have been referring to, and voted him because I needed him to clarify it himself. If people are voting Dan because they don't understand him, then it's Dan's job to jump in and explain himself. This game is based off of holding people to their words, and you're apparently voting Raikaria because he was the most overzealous in doing so.
I don't care if [Cases are scummy]tm. If we want anything resembling accuracy, we need more information.
that's not the main reason I think NNR is scum though I think it's weird he'd turn around and vote with Dan in context
except for the part where that's not weird at all.
If people always followed the rule that you can't vote the same person that scum is voting for, Bussing would work 100% of the time.
The rest of your arguments make sense, and you did say you were just throwing that point out there to convince people, so I guess it's no biggie.
There is no taking into account the SK. and if SK is included in the word "scum" then there are only 3 slots instead of 4.
So Huhwhat is scum because he forgot there was an SK lurking around? How does that work?
RE:Votes on HW for the plan, while the plan isn't exactly working out the best it still seemed solid enough at the time so I can't really say HW is scum because of it (That being said, it probably has ended up being more of a benefit to scum then just playing "normally"), zero interest in hw lynch apart from him getting to revengekill
And I do mean "votes on HW for the plan", I haven't seen people voting HW for reasons that aren't the plan he suggested (By the way, this is bad, and makes me dislike the HW wagon for more reasons then not wanting to lynch HW)
I agree with this. The only person that even deserves to lynch HW is me right now, and I can't do it since I passed up the vig just to listen to people talk about rocks.
Serela is obvtown ++, along with Huhwhat and NNR. I dare all of you to challenge me on this.
tbh, the main reason Dan thought my post is a scumslip and nobody else got it until he pointed it out is probably because he's non-town and knows that more than one alignment stole a role
This would actually make a lot of sense if Dan of SK. That's my permanent head-canon now.
Too lazy to Read Raikari right now, but it looks a little like stuff I just said, so I'm going to continue to assume that I don't want him lynched today.
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Also from simply skimming the thread, Serela is also scum. Like it's immpossible for Serela not to be scum based on the post where he votes me.
i actually saw this earlier and thought the same thing.
planes
I was on airplanes returning to the east coast of US from Hawaii all day
also for all you communist tampa is on the east coast
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Zak, what has NNR done that looks town to you?
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Stop poking me! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmbflJhPvWg)
Yes, I'm here. :\
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NNR: Bad
Huh What: ???
Raikaria: Townish and back to nullish and going downhill somewhat
Dormio: Town
IHNN: Town??? Idk
NNR: Still bad, going worse
Shadoweh: Fuck you, I don't do that in scumQTs.
Guess what? Roles mean absolutely nothing to me this game.
Best post in the game. :D :D :D
Oh hey, catgirls in QT. Goddammit.
No IHNN, I don't know that im gay thing, I don't go on Twitch. Although, thanks for the information. If we go with that, you, Serela, BT would be in the scumteam. (one of you), and NNR is town.
Raikaria rising back to townish...
And I just realized BRK meant Zak. :\
Wow, not much has really happened. Go figure.
Alright, done reading, now let's actually make sense of this stuff :\
Shadoweh has been on and off, so I don't want to lynch HIM now. Maybe later.
Huh What, I still don't like. I don't get why he's trying to be like Shadoweh, but he's not the shining pinnacle of town by a longshot.
Serela... being useless? Shall we follow up and actually lynch him for once? :V
Zakeri? ???
NNR, don't feel like lynching now.
Meh, w/e. Mafiers is hard.
Which leaves Rawr/Dan/Serela. These options all suck, not because they're bad lynches, just because they suck.
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How do you even say somebody is bad twice in one post then go "I don't feel like lynching him" and keep your vote on me?
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Oh, those were notes I were making while reading. Also, dotos, and trying to decide which one to lynch. :\
##UNVOTE
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P-Prod dodge.
I'm retarded, don't mind me. At least I have the entire day off tomorrow to compensate.
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Deadline is in slightly more than a day. Noted.
~_~
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lol 'oh my god you suck'
I'm not moving my vote. That was the best overblown response since ever.
HW: Because Raikaria is scummier now be a bro and lynch him with me.
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So Huhwhat is scum because he forgot there was an SK lurking around? How does that work?
because the person most likely to forget about the SK is the SK, it's science.
It is the responsibility of townies to look for the scum. I don't want to turn this into an exercise on whether posting cases is scummy or not, but Dan is trying to do what he always tries to do, break the game open. By being weird, prodding scumslips, whatever. It's not his responsibility to hold people's hands to find clues, and unlike you, Raikaria took that as a chance to prod Dan and do Nothing Else.
Also I was going to say that if the messages are this painful for us they must be great for you >.> I might shoot nuclear death in your name for you if it makes you feel better.
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I'm not the only one who's said that Shadoweh's reactions towards me are scummy either, before the above is accused of OMGUS by Shadoweh.
At least you're psychic. You're voting me for chainsawing you over Dan, but this line of logic only works if Dan is actually scum, therefore you should vote me first because ???
Also later in this post you're still DANWAGON anyways (still voting me though)
Why would you be softclaiming FailSafe D1, except to scare people off lynching you [Which doesn't even work like that it turns out] Can't read too much into this since Failsafe doesn't work on lynches, but still, don't like this line.
If huh what had a partner who wasn't say Serela/NNR or something they probably could have told him it doesn't work that way so the mistake looks more like a townslip. Or an SKslip. Either way it should be a likeable line!
Also this is bad. Real bad. What the hell is Shadoweh saying here? Spear of vengeance against me? If anything I've been leaning to being on NNR's side. More Shadoweh gibberish, and more reason to vote him.
SHADOWEH IS WEIRD AND IS MAKING NO SENSE OMG SHE IS STOOPID AND WE SHOULD LYNCH HER FACE. Protip my scum posts are more thought out because I actually care if you like them. You said in this very posts that you 'finally understand huh what's reasons on NNR' yet here at the end you've totally been leaning to his side. Waffling scum.
I'm still perfectly happy with an ActionDan lynch, by the way, as he continues to say stuff with 0 use, 0 effort, and 0 explanation. Why is Shadoweh town except for the fact he/she is attempting to get me off you? Why are you STILL not explaining the slip, but acknowledging it?
I am pretty sure Dan outright named what he thought the slip was by now so acknowledging must be Rakaringlish for 'i want to slip back on your sexy back wagon'.
To answer the question about what I meant when I was asking NNR, Neko asked in response to Zakeri:
What the hell does Raikaria have to do with Me vs HW, Dormio? I dropped Raikaria like, two realtime days ago.
To which I replied,
For the sake of maybe finding the answer to that, why did you drop Raikaria and why will you not pick up the spear of vengeance against him?
Which was to ask why Neko dropped Raikaria and why he didn't want to vote him anymore, which I do not think he's answered since he didn't understand the question either.
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Day 1, DEFCON 3
Votecount Desert Storm
ActionDan: Serela (1)
I have no name: BT (1)
Serela: rawr (1)
NekoNekoRex: Dormio, huhwhat (2)
Raikaria: Shadoweh (1)
Shadoweh: Zakeri, Raikaria (2)
huhwhat: ActionDan, NekoNekoRex (2)
rawr: IHNN (1)
Not voting: PX
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 1 day and 5.5 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
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Dodging them prods. I have 7 hours of class with a 1 hour trip to and from uni.
I might be able to post in between that somewhere but no promises.
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To answer the question about what I meant when I was asking NNR, Neko asked in response to Zakeri:To which I replied,Which was to ask why Neko dropped Raikaria and why he didn't want to vote him anymore, which I do not think he's answered since he didn't understand the question either.
Change in reads, scumhunting makes more sense, and being a sucker for people who think I'm super town probably has a little influence.
PX's new post is full of lolrandum so I don't really know what to make of it. Some more clear scum reads from him would be helpful.
I have no idea what Shadoweh is doing and it's all over the place. She's like Serela but without the waffling. Not sure what to think of that.
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Wow those were some real unclear and shitty reads reading over that.
Let me read shadoweh more thoroughly and actually come up with something tangible.
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I think what I'm doing is pretty clear. I think Raikaria is doing some scummy shit so let's lynch him. I will forgive you for that punchworthy comparison if you can find the ability to move your vote.
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Re:Shadoweh vs. Raikaria
Shadoweh's reasons for pushing Raikaria are totally legit. What Raikaria is doing isn't explicitly bad but he (she?) is sure using a lot of words for "I'm going to continue voting ActionDan for not doing stuff" and also, uhm, not doing anything else, which IS kind of bad (E.g.:Scum!Uesugi in Swordgirls Anonymafia d2 sitting on Kaori and ignoring the rest of the game).
Raikaria's OMGUS on Shadoweh for voting him over it is also really silly. Maybe it's just because I think Shadoweh looks legit while Raikaria doesn't, that makes me automatically see the post in a really bad light?
##unvote ActionDan ##Vote Raikaria
Somehow, interest in an AD lynch doesn't seem to be high, and Raikaria looks progressively worse each time I come back and look at the game.
Hw claimed failsafe because it's part of the plan he made and if scum don't have it then they can be pretty sure HW does himself, anyway. Or HW is scum and it wouldn't matter. tl;dr there was no reason not to.
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]It is the responsibility of townies to look for the scum. I don't want to turn this into an exercise on whether posting cases is scummy or not, but Dan is trying to do what he always tries to do, break the game open. By being weird, prodding scumslips, whatever. It's not his responsibility to hold people's hands to find clues, and unlike you, Raikaria took that as a chance to prod Dan and do Nothing Else.
Prodding Dan, asking for more information on his scumread, attempting to get him to contribute more, and not having anything else to go on is scummy according to you.
Every post you make is making me regret lynching you less and less.
At least you're psychic. You're voting me for chainsawing you over Dan, but this line of logic only works if Dan is actually scum, therefore you should vote me first because ???
No, the line of logic works regardless. I asked you to point out one thing Dan has done that makes him town. You are yet to provide that. So why are you attacking me over attacking him?
I think what I'm doing is pretty clear. I think Raikaria is doing some scummy shit so let's lynch him. I will forgive you for that punchworthy comparison if you can find the ability to move your vote.
More, 'If you do X to lynch the guy breathing down my neck I'll do Y for you'. Does anyone else besides me notice how horribly scummy this is? This is the 2nd time Shadoweh's done it too.
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For the sake of maybe finding the answer to that, why did you drop Raikaria and why will you not pick up the spear of vengeance against him?
FYI this is the other time Shadoweh's other attempt to get someone to lynch me. A non-sensical attempt because it's implying that I did something bad to NNR, when I was only just accused of 'defending' him.
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Tl;DR: Shadoweh's whole basis for attacking me is my attempt to lynch a non-contributing member of the game, who is actively attempting to throw the town off course with 'OMG Sumread but I won't say why lol', who has done nothing the slightest bit town the entire game.
Seriously. That's stupid. And the blackmail/BS he/she is posting to try and get others to vote me is even worse. [I never attacked NNR at all, why would NNR take up a spear of vengeance, and the most recent one is outright blackmail.]
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Raikaria:Dan was nonexistent. Even after he "came back" he's still pretty much nonexistent. Regardless of how obvscum it makes him look, tunneling on it is Not Good.
Prodding Dan, asking for more information on his scumread, attempting to get him to contribute more, and not having anything else to go on is scummy according to you.
The thing is, there is only so much to do to someone who does not exist. The reasons he is bad are pretty cut and dry, and what he needed to do are also cut and dry. There isn't much to accomplish actively hounding someone who never talks and doesn't respond when he does. And it's definitely not good for it to be the only thing you do.
Not having anything else to weigh in an opinion on -is- scummy. Shadoweh's reasons for voting you make complete sense to me.
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Raikaria:Dan was nonexistent. Even after he "came back" he's still pretty much nonexistent. Regardless of how obvscum it makes him look, tunneling on it is Not Good.
The thing is, there is only so much to do to someone who does not exist. The reasons he is bad are pretty cut and dry, and what he needed to do are also cut and dry. There isn't much to accomplish actively hounding someone who never talks and doesn't respond when he does. And it's definitely not good for it to be the only thing you do.
Not having anything else to weigh in an opinion on -is- scummy. Shadoweh's reasons for voting you make complete sense to me.
So you outright admit Dan is bad, and yet you defend Shadoweh for attacking me over voting someone who's 'bad' for the town?
That makes about as little sense as Shadoweh's reasoning.
But hey, at least you aren't blackmailing other players and making up reasons that never happened [Spear of Vengance], both of which look horribly scummy.
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Also yes, there is something I can do by actively hounding someone who's not contributing and negative to the game.
Lynch him and remove him from the game.
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Second opinion
At least you're psychic. You're voting me for chainsawing you over Dan, but this line of logic only works if Dan is actually scum, therefore you should vote me first because ???
Snarky opinion
Also later in this post you're still DANWAGON anyways (still voting me though)If huh what had a partner who wasn't say Serela/NNR or something they probably could have told him it doesn't work that way so the mistake looks more like a townslip. Or an SKslip. Either way it should be a likeable line!
I don't really care about the perceived slip so no real opinion. Find it more annoying HW is scumhunting based on rolespec anyway.
SHADOWEH IS WEIRD AND IS MAKING NO SENSE OMG SHE IS STOOPID AND WE SHOULD LYNCH HER FACE. Protip my scum posts are more thought out because I actually care if you like them. You said in this very posts that you 'finally understand huh what's reasons on NNR' yet here at the end you've totally been leaning to his side. Waffling scum.
Self meta, dislike. Will keep waffle comment in mind for reading up on Raikaria
I am pretty sure Dan outright named what he thought the slip was by now so acknowledging must be Rakaringlish for 'i want to slip back on your sexy back wagon'.
Snarky and unnecessary comment
Wow okay I guess I don't like shadoweh that much. Less snark, more bark.
Shadoweh, can you point me to some solid reasoning Raikaria is scum?
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Incidentally I think Raikaria is taking things too seriously.
Blackmail? Really?
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Last time I checked saying 'You do this for me and I'll forget about Y' is pretty much the definition of Blackmail.
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I think in this case it's more "if you do X then you won't look as scummy" rather then just being some task Shadoweh wants you to do in order to further her own agenda
that being said, I don't remember what it was and I'm again at the point of tiredness I was at yesterday
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I think what I'm doing is pretty clear. I think Raikaria is doing some scummy shit so let's lynch him. I will forgive you for that punchworthy comparison if you can find the ability to move your vote.
'Noun
The action, treated as a criminal offense, of demanding money from a person in return for not revealing compromising or injurious...'
Pretty much the mafia equivalent.
And if blackmail isn't scummy, idk what is.
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Here, re-reading.
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You say that like I'm not blatantly blackmailing people for votes. Half the reason I'm mad about nukes not being Day 1 is because I would be doing ##Nuke instead of ##Vote.
Neko, if you can expect other people to forgive you for being a snarky mafia player, I would expect you not to call snark scummy.
'Reasoning he is scum' is rife through his responses to me pointing out that he was using Dan as an excuse to do nothing. "I regret more and more not lynching you". Really? There's no using my actions beyond the fact that I'm trying to get him lynched to prove that I'm scum. He just really wants me to go away and the more firmly it's not happening the more he's stuck trying to lynch someone who is unlynchable to anyone who reads the first few pages. (Which is not many of you but I'm here to help!)
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also these accusations are starting to look as cohesive as Rawr's cases on Dormio in So You Want To Be The Townest. Except Raikaria is trying to push them seriously. "Shadoweh is blackmailing people and that's a criminal thing therefore she must be a criminal!"
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also these accusations are starting to look as cohesive as Rawr's cases on Dormio in So You Want To Be The Townest. Except Raikaria is trying to push them seriously. "Shadoweh is blackmailing people and that's a criminal thing therefore she must be a criminal!"
More accurate than you telling NNR to take up a spear of vengeance against me when just before I was accused of defending NNR.
And if you can explain how blackmailing is possibly town, then I'll stop calling it a scum action.
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I think she was joking about the Blackmail thing, Raikaria It's not like I took it seriously anyway.
Again, Raikaria is taking the game too seriously.
Shadoweh needs to actually tell me what Raikaria is doing that's scummy instead of "go read Raikaria".
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Zak, what has NNR done that looks town to you?
Hold on, I'll have to check later.
PX's post is very nonconvincing.
In addition to unvoting HW, can you attempt to explain why you don't want to lynch NNR? I know I feel the same way, but hearing your version would help.
Re: Shadoweh's post 341- basically, from the difference between the way you talk about my vote on dan and Raikaria's is that Raikaria is scum because he was tunnling.
I'm very uncomfortable with your attack on Raikaria because the only way to do that is to keep trying to invalidate a case on someone who is still probably scum.
I am pretty sure Dan outright named what he thought the slip was by now so acknowledging must be Rakaringlish for 'i want to slip back on your sexy back wagon'.
Except for the fact that ActionDan doesn't even have a wagon now. What use would Scum-Raikaria have for pushing a dead wagon with no wheels? If anything, this is town-frusteration
I'm beginning to understand where Shadoweh is coming from now, but Raikaria is still too not scum for me
Speaking of scum tunneling
Aside from earlier comments on Rawr and Dan being unlynchable-inactive, All I'm getting is that you're wagoning on Raikaria, likely to butter up Shadoweh. Do you have opinions on anyone else?
Also, this is completely off topic, but what Airline did you take on your trip, Serela?
Edit: NNR: Basically, Raikaria was tunneling on Dan and of course since OMGuSing is never punished, Shadoweh and Raikaria are basically trying to out OMGuS each other. It's strictly a case of them taking it too seriously. Honestly, if one of them is scum for tunnling, I might as well just consider both of them Superbussing scum.
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prod dodge in game will post after
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Aside from earlier comments on Rawr and Dan being unlynchable-inactive, All I'm getting is that you're wagoning on Raikaria, likely to butter up Shadoweh. Do you have opinions on anyone else?
Also, this is completely off topic, but what Airline did you take on your trip, Serela?
United.
And, I thought I made clear I meant Dan was -not- the kind of inactively unlynchable D: I was also entirely uncoherent yesterday, though. I kept leaving out parts of posts that I meant to edit and then forgot about.
Anyway, my first post is still pretty much accurate about my reads on people, except that since then they've gotten stronger in their respective aspects. Happy to lynch Raikaria/Dan. Rawr is terrible but a useless lynch. IHNN/NNR are kind of not great but I don't actually see anything super terrible yet. HW/Zak/BT/Dorm are town. PX is ???????
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how scummy is drrawr, serela?
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he's posted like two lines
it's bad but you can't really get a read off of that beyond "well maybe he's scum and can't think of anything to say/plans to superlurk".
If he continues someone can just nuke him on d3.
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Ok initial impressions reading through that is there is probably at least one non-town in Raikaria/Shadoweh, still not seeing NNR!scum, ActionDan is surprisingly useless and HW would be my first guess for the SK. Partly for forgetting it (though I can see town doing that too) but mostly for being independent, trying to look town but not supertown to avoid an NK. He's generally regarded as non-scum but is mostly reading through and asking token questions. Even still, SK!HW is something I would keep around for a bit as his scumhunting is still useful. Would nuke come D3, or lynch today if a wagon takes off.
ActionDan I don't really feel like voting today. We gain nothing from his lynch right now.
rawr hasn't improved but since no one else wants to lynch him today I'll ##Unvote.
Initial impressions say Raikaria is the scummier of Raikaria/Shadoweh but i need to re-read that section.
Zakeri is someone I forgot about. I'll need to re-read him as well.
No interest in a PX wagon today. Between him and rawr his content is better.
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Shadoweh needs to actually tell me what Raikaria is doing that's scummy instead of "go read Raikaria".
I've told you three times. Do you really need me to repeat it again? "Is using Dan as an excuse not to post about anything else, then responded to a vote on him like DEFCON 1 had started and threw out the worst YOU MUST BE SCUM case I've ever seen". You know, you aren't going to get a case that doesn't involve you needing to read him. I've been quoting some of him in my posts though so if you're reading me you've read some of him.
Zak: Not tunneling. Tunneling would at least involve saying Dan was scum but also remarking that other people are scum/town too. Note that he takes the time to remark on people immediately after I call him out for it, but that hardly stops me from being scum somehow? If you mean invalidating the case on Dan, I do still believe that he's not scum so don't mind me thinking that invalidation isn't a bad thing.
Also I've been thinking, and the Doc should consider going between Zak and the Fighter. Zak is kind of obvtown and the longer he's alive, the longer the scumteam is stuck talking about rocks. (WIFOM for scum is also fun.)
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tbh, the main reason Dan thought my post is a scumslip and nobody else got it until he pointed it out is probably because he's non-town and knows that more than one alignment stole a role
otherwise it shouldn't stick out to him given that I had no fucking idea how it was even a scumslip when he told people to look at the post he quoted. I'm calling him as SK who legit thinks I'm scum.
you're the guy who took care to come up with a plan and I doubt you'd just 'forget' that there are more than 3 people who could mess around with it. Besides you were more careful in other posts to call shadoweh non-maf if she snagged cop etc. which shows that you were cognizant of factoring in the SK. Casually grouping together roleblocker/tracker/? in that post shows a laspe in your thinking.
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HW you're silly, I was on airplanes returning to the east coast of US from Hawaii all day. The mod even announced me as V/LA. :C I forgot what that means but that's not the point, anyway I'm back now hi
Kind of tempted to vote Dan, but there's enough "what the fuck is even going on here" in that area that I'd rather let him explain himself first. Voting him anyway would just feel like sitting on my laurels not giving a fuck which would be dumb
HW should lay off the role spec because even with attempts to break the setup it really isn't going to get anywhere to start that stuff ASAP (that being said, idle suggestions on what certain roles should do with their powers a la Shadoweh/PX's things, are totally cool as long as people don't start getting into big discussions about it. And no I don't mean px's vote on hw)
I'm having an issue deciding which of Rawr/Raikaria/NNR are actually good voting options. Maybe IHNN could go in that list too. I guess this is because, when it comes down to it, the game only just started and I rarely get much out of ed1 >_> I keep typing "I have no interest in voting ____" and then I read another one of their posts and backspace that out. Buh.
Rawr feels too easy of a target. He didn't even vote, and I headtilt when trying to read his post. I'd almost feel bad even suggesting I want to vote NNR because it feels like he's been immediately wagoned (and usually lynched) in all recent memory of mafia on here.
Oh my god I seriously have an issue with not wanting to vote people before late day 1. Nevermind.
##vote ActionDan
Everyone I didn't mention is in a group of "they look alright to me so far".I giggled
this entire post is speculating on how to vote, not speculating on who is scum. There is no "Dan seems scummy... because", in fact none of the people that aren't "alright" have anything remsembling a reason as to why serela does not like them. I find it hard to believe Serela gives in to temptation to join a 5-man bandwagon for the sake of serela placing a vote.
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I personally think that Dan being so confident in something so stupid makes him town.
Dunno about you guys.
Of course, at the same time, I'm not paying attention to his "read" at all.
Also, I'll try to read the other shit soon but still no promises until I get home or something.
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For Zak:
Raikaria and NNR's latest posting makes me think again about my reads. But it's just way too hard to ignore first impressions.
Pretty much this. As for huhwhat, don't see anything from him to make me like him, but nothing I can use to really try to push yet.
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I've told you three times. Do you really need me to repeat it again? "Is using Dan as an excuse not to post about anything else, then responded to a vote on him like DEFCON 1 had started and threw out the worst YOU MUST BE SCUM case I've ever seen". You know, you aren't going to get a case that doesn't involve you needing to read him. I've been quoting some of him in my posts though so if you're reading me you've read some of him.
Zak: Not tunneling. Tunneling would at least involve saying Dan was scum but also remarking that other people are scum/town too. Note that he takes the time to remark on people immediately after I call him out for it, but that hardly stops me from being scum somehow? If you mean invalidating the case on Dan, I do still believe that he's not scum so don't mind me thinking that invalidation isn't a bad thing.
Also I've been thinking, and the Doc should consider going between Zak and the Fighter. Zak is kind of obvtown and the longer he's alive, the longer the scumteam is stuck talking about rocks. (WIFOM for scum is also fun.)
Again, how is 'defending the most anti-town person in the game at the time' the 'worst case ever?'
And that's before your whole 'vengeance' thing with NNR, and the blackmail.
I posted a list of my opinions at that point because I'd just woken up and 2 pages happened while I was asleep.
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Day 1, DEFCON 3 - Game Event
[NORAD SYSTEM] Unidentified transmissions detected.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Capturing...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Audio files captured.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Descrambling...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Descramble complete.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Cleaning up files...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Cleanup complete.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Playing...
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:C
oh god I have no idea whats going on any more I don't know what to do anymore aaaaaaaaaa
Okay guys, i have a pl-
@mod:
Will be v/la for the weekend
사람이 정말 훨씬 더으로 더 같이하고 싶은 이동도 사용하기로 결정이 있었나요?
곤충 러시 하하하
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That is the most pathetic attempt at Korean that I have ever seen.
Like the second one literally says "insect rush" instead of "zergling rush" like I assume it's supposed to.
And I don't even know what the first one is trying to say.
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yeah this batch is p.clearly just impersonation attempts :V
They sure are having fun with this.
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Why should role choice affect my opinion on reads? I subscribe to Mafia for analysis, not information.
Not a town tell at all, but I guess this quote helped endear me to NNR.
NNR's first case on Raikaria was good, provided decent case, and decent read on Dan and HW respectively, I guess in general I like NNR because there aren't giant flaming holes in his reads like PX Rawr and dan.
Serela is either a competent liar or town. I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
I still think PX is worse than rawr, but that's likely because in addition to not providing analysis, and making a useless comment against HW's plan that people seem to mistake for scumhunting when it's really not, I'm also holding that tell from confirmation phase against him. I've been lenient considering the AFKness, but I was hoping he'd do something to at least make me doubt basing an entire scum read based off an joking comment.
I'll happily sheep Rawr if I can't get PX lynched.
basically, I'm only still on Shadoweh because I want to see where people are going to go when we realize that it's time to consolidate.
What do you mean you forgot about me? You're the one that doesn't exist.
Zak: Not tunneling. Tunneling would at least involve saying Dan was scum but also remarking that other people are scum/town too.
Really tempted to start arguing semantics, but ehh.
If you mean invalidating the case on Dan, I do still believe that he's not scum so don't mind me thinking that invalidation isn't a bad thing.
He's almost certainly the SK if not Russian, though. That should count for something at least '^'
##Unvote: Shadoweh
##Vote: PX to be more indicative of my feelings at the moment.
I really doubt that Shadokaria is going to go anywhere.
Edit: PX, I don't even remember who you're voting for, much less why.
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That is the most pathetic attempt at Korean that I have ever seen.
Like the second one literally says "insect rush" instead of "zergling rush" like I assume it's supposed to.
And I don't even know what the first one is trying to say.
"I <3 you Dormio. Now, can you go jump off a cliff? ^_^"
~Sincerely, probably the same person that kept posting Korean in the Scum QT.
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Dear god, whoever is in that QT needs to be more creative.
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Day 1, DEFCON 3
Votecount Rolling Thunder
I have no name: BT (1)
Serela: rawr (1)
NekoNekoRex: Dormio, huhwhat (2)
Raikaria: Shadoweh, Serela (2)
Shadoweh: Raikaria (1)
huhwhat: ActionDan, NekoNekoRex (2)
PX: Zakeri (1)
Not voting: PX, IHNN
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 25 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
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Again, how is 'defending the most anti-town person in the game at the time' the 'worst case ever?'
The Most Worst anti-Town Person in history is your hilarious statement, not mine. I very obviously don't believe that he's anywhere near as bad as you say he is. On the contrary, I think you're overblowing it, in the same way that you're overblowing how good a vote I am.
That face fails because it's not size 20.
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That face fails because it's not size 20.
Awwwwh Shadoweh remembers <3
In other news, it's ~*~actually consolidation time~*~. We have to seriously start talking about who we'll grudgingly accept lynches on even if it's not our preferred choice. I'd be a little less cut-and-dry about it if it wasn't that I'm going to bed in a minute and may not be back until several hours from deadline, but Raikaria>Dan>>NNR/IHNN>>>PX is a list I can come up with off the top of my head? Everyone else I'd really rather not lynch. Rawr wouldn't be the worst but even if he flipped scum we'd barely get anything out of it, god forbid he flipped town.
Raikaria just seems infinitely hung up on technicalities and that he thinks Shadoweh's vote on him isn't right. Raikaria, I'm sorry, but Shadoweh isn't getting lynched today. Dan seems like an unlikely lynch as well at present. What do you think about the other wagons? Seriously, you haven't weighed in an opinion on people who aren't Shadoweh or Dan, and even then your Shadoweh opinion is based on OMGUS in response to her voting you, and Dan doesn't exist. The reason I didn't continue my conversation with you was because you don't seem receptive to anything I'm saying and I don't have much to do but repeat it like now :c
So please have opinions on other people. Because we're lynching out of those Other People, likely. (Or yourself, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hoping to get more to lynch you with out of this prodding, but that's just how mafia goes)
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Ok so even after staring at these discussions for the past hour or so I'm not getting much out of them :/
##Vote: Raikaria because that's the person most likely to be lynched that I think isn't IN AMERICA
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Did I really just do that.
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if everyone sheeps me on nnr instead of handwaving my case on him because who knows why they'll lynch scum
i don't like any other lynch (except maybe rawr, zak's px case is also alright) but i guess i'd take raikaria over myself since i can't vengekill
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serela's posting history is pretty scummy. first post says nothing concrete then wagon hops on dan after saying he wanted dan to explain first in the same post. second post thinks i'm town but sets up double town kill on me+dan anyway. here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg956780.html#msg956780) his opinion on nnr/ihnn "hasn't changed" but he never had solid opinions on them in the first place as he was still waiting to see. of course since he's not town he doesn't bother to look into them instead of handwaving it. he then just puts them and rawr in the "kinda bad but wouldn't lynch because ____" for the rest of the day without seriously considering any cases on them. i would lynch him after nnr then go for rawr third, then nuke dan for being sk once scum nks me for lynching their entire team
i also need to re-read bt but it's not like he's getting lynched today so eh.
tbh raikaria is probably town.............
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it's also really bad that serela decides to vote raikaria after further consideration, but doesn't really try to consider nnr / ihnn further. these + rawr were the people he was waffling on in his first content post, but of course only raikaria is looked into because it's good enough of a vote to get him off the dan wagon which make him look terrible if he stuck around on
raikaria is crazy reactive town i think. his shadoweh vote is useless if he's scum trying to avoid lynches and push them onto townies; shadoweh had no lynch interest and responding with an outburst would draw a bunch of attention. not to mention that he could have kept pushes dan and the overreaction is is consistent with his response to the ED1 "wagon" (and his post about that here is super town)
also, the "raikaria is scummy for not looking for the scumslip" case is bs. he thought dan withholding the scumslip was scummy - this wouldn't change even if he knew what the slip was. how indignant he got when shadoweh called him out points to him being town who believes strongly in his views about scum!dan
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meanwhile nnr's reaction to me voting him is to stop pushing the case on me entirely, ignore my case on /him/ and sideline on shadoweh because nobody is paying him attention (aside from the people who think he's town or "bad but not worth lynching" because ______)
can we just lynch him already and be done with it? for fuck's sake his only response to my vote on him was to say i was turning around my reads to vote him, even though i had explained why i didn't want to vote dan anymore, been suspecting him for most of the day, and obviously had a stronger case on him than rawr. he is not even reading the posts of the person he's voting or trying to push his case.
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bt's posts do not contain anything in particular that makes me think he is a MEMBER of the MAFIA but he doesn't really look townie either. obviously the "scum decided to avoid accountability for the roleblock" logic doesn't follow now that i remember sk might steal too
ihnn's recent posts have been awful, what the hell. "there is probably at least one non-town in Raikaria/Shadoweh" is arbitrary as fuck. i am not sure how i missed this previously given that i actually have been reading the game. the rest of his posts felt like struggling town but he reaaaally needs to explain the random raikaria/shadoweh dichotomy. "at least one non-town" implies he thinks a mutual scumbus is possible which is even more confusing
rawr still hasn't tried to look for scum intent even once. px is awful for reasons that are self-explanatory but i'm not feeling him as scum as much as rawr.
these last few posts have been my opinions on basically everybody except the dudes i am leaning town on. i will give zak a special mention because i think he's the most likely to just be scum well but none of his posts read scummy to me
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"be playing scum well", even
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NNR's first case on Raikaria was good, provided decent case, and decent read on Dan and HW respectively, I guess in general I like NNR because there aren't giant flaming holes in his reads like PX Rawr and dan.
this is just frustrating btw because you're literally saying "nnr is town because he's not as bad as these other guys" which...... has nothing to do with his alignment
what do you think of the fact that he hasn't even been doing anything with his "decent read" on me ever since i voted him?
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octuple posting is town :)
the only reason i am posting in mafia right now by the way is because i was about to kill walhart in that hall chapter but then it turned out i forgot to move kellam out of his range and i lost a unit just before finishing the entire fucking chapter. that is not a thing i am happy about.
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"there is probably at least one non-town in Raikaria/Shadoweh"
The phrasing was more to account for maf/SK interactions.
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okay but
why do you think it's not just town/town?
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Just a gut feeling I guess, as I said despite staring at the words for an hour I couldn't find any reasons why I suspected that. Maybe I'll have better luck tomorrow morning after a good nights rest instead of an interrupted sleep.
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What case? The last two days you've been active lurking by questioning people and not doing much else, especially in regards to me. I'm hardly sidelining Shadoweh, I decided to read him and made a few comments on his post towards Raikaria.
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I still don't even know what Shadoweh's case on Raikaria other then Raikaria voting Dan (which I don't have a problem with) and "go read Raikaria".
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His Raikaria and Dan votes were votes for the sake of voting so that people would get off his back. He attacked my rolespec as if he was talking to a town read only to turn around and say I'm null when pressed. Now he says I threw away all my reads to attack him, which, given that I still find rawr scummy and have found NNR scummy for most of the day, shows he is reading less of the thread than I am.
Is this the case? Fine, I'll address it.
He attacked my rolespec as if he was talking to a town read
I don't know where you got "as if talking to a town read". I told you to quit since it was ticking me off, one of the many things causing me frustration. I don't think I was implying you were town, that's a pretty dumb assumption to make.
It was a response to an accusation that wasn't even remotely true "that was a wall mostly directed at you". It's pretty clear I wasn't thinking hard.
only to turn around and say I'm null when pressed.
"When pressed". Okay, you got me there. I was frustrated, and suddenly under pressure, so I made a hasty read. Does that automatically make me scum? No. I can't imagine reacting any differently regardless of alignment, I was clearly not in the best Mafia-playing state of mind. Players of any alignment can slip up in that situation.
Now he says I threw away all my reads to attack him, which, given that I still find rawr scummy and have found NNR scummy for most of the day, shows he is reading less of the thread than I am.
Before:I like both the NNR / rawr wagons but don't have anything more to add to them. Would actually take rawr over NNR since [Rawr] feels like he's putting in scummy non-effort.
After:rawr I still think looks like he isn't actually trying to look for scum intent but his contribution are so sparse it's just kinda hard to get a feeling for it
EDIT:
No wait
he isn't actually
isn't
......oh.
......I guess I was wrong.
I still think you're scum though, you've been bending a lot of your reads to fit the best-fitting perspective since the game started. Going from "Dan is SK" to "I thought about it and he's actually scum" is fishy. And that's only one example of you doing that.
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Honestly, I'm associating NNR and Raikaria as same alignment, and Raikaria is town so :/
Also, Rawr is probably the scums. Let's get him.
##Vote Rawr
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huh what: I have to admit that NNR's responses to me make me want to vote him for dismissively trolling me. A NNR/Zak/Serela scumteam would be interesting but I don't think they could impersonate the qt that much :V Seriously though I'm not getting a scum vibe from Serela, weirdly. Maybe it's because he's being a good minion.
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Wow that escalated fast reading...
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Somewhat annoyed that I'm being seen as scummier than someone resorting to blackmailing other players, [Seriously, ready #347, it basically amounts to 'I'll stop thinking badly of you if you help lynch this guy I don't like k?' (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg957049.html#msg957049), and who's whole reason for voting me still boils down to 'I was voting ActionDan to try and make him do something'.
Rawr says he's reading atm, so I'll wait for his views. Otherwise I'm fine with voting Rawr for consolidation purposes, seeing as he's basically only prod-dodged.
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I'm reading, but wow, yes Raikaria, you are taking this too seriously. What you refer to as blackmailing is something Shadoweh does all the time.
Can you order your vote preferences?
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Right now?
Shadoweh > ActionDan > Rawr > Everyone else > Zakeri/Ran/NNR
And I know little about everyone's playstyles. I don't know what Shadoweh usually does.
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But we've played quite a few games together by now. It's not like we're strangers, you should be familiar with my antics. And for everyone clearing you as town for going overboard, I would like to point out that at the time, there wasn't exactly a good sentiment of me around due to my sleepiness in posting. Raikaria could very well have thought I was viable. Now he's stuck with a case he's afraid to back down from.
I'll be back in about 6 hours. Serela is right about ~*~consolidation~*~ so let's get a move on. I heard NNR and Raikaria are good vacation spots.
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Serela earns a bucket of hate for ignoring my request for his reads and instead sticking his vote to the horrible poster. There's also how he seemed to have been fine with lynching the wagon he claims to be scum-motivated, the only one at that.
Unexciting is totally a scum buzzword
Hell, he's self-aware in #320 that his reasons for not voting rawr can be applied to Dan but he leaves it at that. More in that post, he "thinks HW's reasoning is vaguely reaching" but doesn't reach any meaningful conclusion so the comment is basically there to discredit the dude and nothing else. In both of these examples he's only pointing things out without doing the other half of the job -- deciding what to do with that info. That's a scum-motivated move.
It continues. "Maybe it's just because I think Shadoweh looks legit while Raikaria doesn't, that makes me automatically see the post in a really bad light?" in #348. Serela does the whole self-discredit thing all the time but considering he just finished taking sides in a fight after noting a few times that he agrees with Shadoweh's reasons to suspect Raikaria, this doesn't feel natural. It feels more like he set up an excuse in advance because he knows where the vote is headed. To make the point clear, I could say right now that townreading Raikaria makes me read Serela's posts in a bad light, but that would be bullshit, because Serela is the reason I think Serela is bad. This is what Serela is doing here.
See, HW, this is why IHNN is scum. If he was town with bad reads I'd at least expect some hint that the reads are genuine. There's none of that, and all that's left is the fact he's stuck to the rawr vote all day instead of voting who he actually felt was off because they were big/growing wagons. Unexplained reads and illogical priorities, wrapped with a pretty ribbon. The fact that everyone feels like he's off/bad but I'm still the only vote on him is the coupe de grace.
HW brings a good point about Dan's slip -- no one noticed it but him so it's in fact possible that he has a different perspective, likely SK. Obviously not enough to vote him, only enough to point fingers and stare at him from a foot's range.
On the matter of IHNN; I don't really understand what is going on for the reasons, because I don't understand the whole HW plan that seems core to the reasoning for the votes and arguments. So I fail to understand what is *so* bad about what he is saying. We're assuming people even followed any plan. I sure didn't.
Two questions:
1) What don't you understand about IHNN? How is HW's plan related?
2) ... You didn't follow the plan?
Also I've been thinking, and the Doc should consider going between Zak and the Fighter. Zak is kind of obvtown and the longer he's alive, the longer the scumteam is stuck talking about rocks. (WIFOM for scum is also fun.)
General note that this should happen. Granted, scum would probably still fret over the 10% chance, but I'm pretty sure my paranoia over Zak is gone (something I got over him calling so many people obvtown, I think? i was going to maybe comment on it but i'm pretty sure he's town now) and two targets over one is the way to go.
zak's px case is also alright
What PX case? I thought he mostly made the difference between PX and rawr because of his early scumtell.
I need to reread NNR and Shadoweh.
Current wagon status sucks. Are people willing to lynch IHNN? I obviously support lynching Serela with others though I don't want to scramble on consolidation too much. rawr is a backup consolidation option that I really don't want us to use.
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All he could possibly accomplish is wasting town's time. Which is anti-town. Combined with the rest of of his behavior, and a lynch is long justified. Give me one thing Dan has said or done that has the slightest whiff of being town.
Well we could look at it this way, Dan sees that people are making obvious scumslips to him such as huhwhat and serela. Wouldnt it be logical to try to and push for there lynch straight off? It may not be the usual scum hunting way but if scum fucks up wouldnt it be logical to punish them for it? Dan probably could have done it in a more graceful way but I probably would think of this as town motive.
I'll happily sheep Rawr
yes sheep me that would make me happy like a newly wed
I think both raikaria and shadoweh are somewhat town atm but if I had to make the choice between one of them it would probably be Raikaria. With the reaction to the blackmail which shadoweh could never follow up with I dont consider this to be anything at all. Also this post bother me entirely:
I'm not getting off Dan unless something else happens.
Which bothers me alot because this could be seen as a way to keep his vote on actiondan which is a potential consolidation lynch. Im also seeing that the moment the dan wagon fell apart he used his earlier excuse as a way to jump off of it.
Ok so maybe raikaria could be scum though i could just be making stuff up i guess idk
id still like to lynch serela
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still reading also
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With the amount of people saying 'Shadoweh is town' I can see a Shadoweh lynch isn't happening.
Still waiting for Rawr to finish his reading before I make up my mind on who to vote, but for now I know Shadoweh isn't getting lynched so I'll stop sitting there:
##Unvote
Although I do disagree with this:
Well we could look at it this way, Dan sees that people are making obvious scumslips to him such as huhwhat and serela. Wouldnt it be logical to try to and push for there lynch straight off? It may not be the usual scum hunting way but if scum fucks up wouldnt it be logical to punish them for it? Dan probably could have done it in a more graceful way but I probably would think of this as town motive.
If he was pushing for their lynch he'd have to convince other people.
To do that he'd have to explain why he wants them lynched.
To do that he should explain what the scumread is.
It's not scumhunting, it's just wasting time, and/or attempting to just form random wagons for no reason.
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Day 1, DEFCON 3
Votecount Brother Sam
I have no name: BT (1)
Serela: rawr (1)
NekoNekoRex: Dormio, huhwhat (2)
Raikaria: Shadoweh, Serela, IHNN (3)
huhwhat: ActionDan, NekoNekoRex (2)
rawr: PX (1)
PX: Zakeri (1)
Not voting: Raikaria
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 9.5 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
No majority = No lynch
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good morning
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
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I'm back early, still ready for choo choo Raikaria. I supose I wouldn't be against lynching Serela because it would stop people from not lynching Raikaria just because Serela is on him with me..
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##Unvote, ##Vote Serela
Raikaria, answer my questions, pretty please?
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I think I was supposed to post in this topic yesterday.
But then I fell asleep.
Whatever.
##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
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If I was scum, I'd reluctantly wagon Raikari, and then use the resulting flip to tear into Shadoweh with a huge case tomorrow.
##Unvote: PX
##Vote: Serela
my town read was based solely on role shenans anyways.
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Two questions:
1) What don't you understand about IHNN? How is HW's plan related?
2) ... You didn't follow the plan?
I didn't understand the core of IHNN's argument, because I wasn't under the impression that we were actually following the 'plan' HW posted at DC5.
I wasn't under the impression that there was an agreed upon plan. Besides, picking according to a convention scum would know is stupid. HW's idea could be a red herring.
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Oh yeah can people explain the Serela vote reasons? Because all the Serela discussion is scattered everywhere, between different people at different points, amking it somewhat difficult to form the 'complete' case against Serela. What in particular makes Serela so bad?
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The flipside of HWs plan is that we know, by some roles being missing, some roles that the enemy have.
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Day 1, DEFCON 3
Votecount Overlord
Serela: rawr, huhwhat, BT, Zakeri (4)
Raikaria: Shadoweh, Serela, IHNN, Dormio (4)
huhwhat: ActionDan, NekoNekoRex (2)
rawr: PX (1)
Not voting: Raikaria
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 7.75 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
No majority = No lynch
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Oh yeah can people explain the Serela vote reasons? Because all the Serela discussion is scattered everywhere, between different people at different points, amking it somewhat difficult to form the 'complete' case against Serela. What in particular makes Serela so bad?
he's mafia
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg957175.html#msg957175
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Dormio, explain priorities?
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Raikaria, unless it doesn't conflict with #70 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg955780.html#msg955780), you need to claim your picks / role. I don't think we're going to be able to assume anything about the setup without it.
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okay guys i changed my mind ihnn is scummier than rawr
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So, basically it's the whole Serelaflailing that I recall from playing with Serela before?
[I recall Serela because I've played with Serela for like a 5 day game. Shadoweh always dies N1/D1, or lives in Anonmafia, when idk it's Shadoweh.]
I'm honestly not convinced Serela!Mafia, it might just be Serela!FalilingTownie, but, looking at the options here... it's vote Serela, selfvote, or waste my vote. The 2nd of those I'm not doing, and the 3rd isn't helping anyone.
So I'm gonna put my eggs in the basket you guys have weaved.
##Vote Serela
Raikaria, unless it doesn't conflict with #70 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg955780.html#msg955780), you need to claim your picks / role. I don't think we're going to be able to assume anything about the setup without it.
So, you want me to claim outright, or just confirm/deny if I am a Doc/Silo?
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I'm actually not sure. Confirm/deny is a start.
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I'm actually not sure. Confirm/deny is a start.
I am a Doc/Silo.
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##Unvote
##Vote Serela
HW you are the SK aren't you
L-1
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Yeah ok, obviously I wouldn't have wanted you to claim doc. Business as usual then.
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IHNN, wagon stances, go.
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Damn. Want me to hammer Serela?
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That was a pretty quick wagon. Fell asleep about 9 hours ago, come back, already L-1. Everyone sure did find agreement real fast for a single wagon after everyone has been split up all day
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That was a pretty quick wagon. Fell asleep about 9 hours ago, come back, already L-1. Everyone sure did find agreement real fast for a single wagon after everyone has been split up all day
Mine is not so much agreement, more 'I'm not selfvoting and we're almost out of time'.
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That was a pretty quick wagon. Fell asleep about 9 hours ago, come back, already L-1. Everyone sure did find agreement real fast for a single wagon after everyone has been split up all day
Do you want to be run up instead?
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PX, obviously no hammer.
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Do you want to be run up instead?
A quarter of a day is hardly "running out of time"
Yeah avoiding deadline panic is nice but we're only super close to deadline in the context of 120 day phases. It's not even peak activity time yet.
Do you want to be run up instead?
Is that a threat?
Don't hammer PX, Serela isn't even around.
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Is that a threat?
Yes.
Is Serela town or scum?
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i've cooled on the nnr scumread a little since his response btw but i still feel like he's been attacking me without actually reading my posts. would actually lynch ihnn over him because ihnn is not even trying.
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PX's ISO is full of arbitrary shit, by the way. I would quote specific examples but then I'd be quoting all his posts.
Honestly, I'm associating NNR and Raikaria as same alignment, and Raikaria is town so :/
this in particular is a ridiculous conclusion with no backing though
aside from that he somehow is trying even less than ihnn. no explanations for his reads, nothing concrete at all. rawr vote is a complete waste at this point and the post comes with false "confidence" but he's not really trying to push a rawr lynch for real. he never considered serela for real either despite have serela in his bucket of worst people. don't even care that it's PX since he should know that this is absolutely terrible play
I feel opportunistic seriously saying I think the best picks for scum right now are Serela/IHNN/PX but it's the truth, they're all fucking horrible.
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I guess I never talked about why IHNN is scum. His response to my questioning was the BARE MINIMUM and his reaction to recent developments has just been to kick back and post one-liners instead of talking about wagons, reads, anything that helps town. Not to mention his vote is for consolidation and not the result of scumhunting. I don't think he even has any scumreads.
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You can't be serious. -_- Barring a counterclaim I supose I'll have to enjoy Raikaria being alive for awhile. (true fax apparently scum don't get nk's for awhile?) Jesus why are people acting like there's an hour left?
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tbh i don't think there's much more to talk about. be honest, would anybody listen to serela if he claimed doc or posted lastreads?
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Quick check says Serela won't be here for another 1-2 hours from timestamps so no, do not hammer Serela before he gets a chance to post/claim.
Cut: Uh, YES? He was wagoned out of nowhere and you don't even want to let him defend himself? What's wrong with you!
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oh my god I only had one vote on me when I went to bed and like one or two people who thought I was scummy
tbh i don't think there's much more to talk about. be honest, would anybody listen to serela if he claimed doc or posted lastreads?
this isn't helping either
I claim missile silo in offense mode. I picked Sub>Silo because I really wanted to be a vig, and the result would be the exact same as if I had chosen doc/sub/silo and not gotten doc; since, either way, me and the doc would be the only ones who knew I wasn't the doc.
Thinking of other things to say, but getting this out first. (Shadoweh is a stalker and totally right, but I got off work an hour earlier today then the last two days)
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>_> You do realize we had multiple people picking Doc so that the SCUM didn't get it right
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Serela, why would you rather be vig than doc?
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Looking at the current wagons I can see why Serela got jumped out of nowhere, their status is criminal with huh what as the only other viable dood. In the interest of Public Wagon Safety:
##Vote: I have no name
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NO I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT SHADOWEH OKAY :C
HW:Because I always sadface at people not believing my scumreads, and when I'm really confident in one (unlike, say, pretending I am so that I don't look horrible) they're usually correct. If this is actually wrong then I'm okay living in my little fantasy world because it makes me have more fun playing and doesn't actually affect the game in most cases D:
Also being a vig is exciting and cool and powerful!
Townreads on the other hand are :C. And I'm not as worried about someone else handling doc. Scum NKs are unpredictable a good portion of the time.
Also for reasons I haven't gotten to explain yet I totally like HW's case on IHNN (and get why HW or whoever it was's case on why Raikaria looks town even if I don't 100% agree) so yeah, but, I'll be making a more elaboratory post in a minute
but yeah
##unvote ##vote Ihavenoname
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(Also obviously for the not-me-over-me reasons)
(although I guess the raikaria wagon is bigger but, uh.)
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Serela, you are the least likely person to ever get nightkilled. You are the perfect doctor. Did you really think you had to shoot people instead of being the one person we didn't want nightkilled?
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id rather lynch px than ihnn but dont think we have the support
##Vote: IHNN
can roll with this
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I was hoping I'd get the sub so the non-docs wouldn't have to know I'm not a doc :C
Either way, it wouldn't be known I was a silo until d3, at which point it wouldn't be a big deal any longer because nukes ahoy.
After I numbercrunched this turned out to be ~*~incredibly true~*~. There is probably not gonna be a day 4, so.
Also now that I re-look at IHNN I remember what I was thinking before getting distracted by "oh god I'm l-1 what happened"; his posting history, like HW said about mine, is pretty terrible D: I'll get to this in a minute because I like not being hanged.
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Damn. Want me to hammer Serela?
scum post btw
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Whoa whoa whoa I check in to see how things are going before spending the rest of the night working on a project (due tomorrow, so there's no way around it) and suddenly I'm being quickwagoned.
I have like 10 minutes now and I guess I can check in again in about an hour to respond to stuff but I'm really not going to be around even though I'm here and I'm posting.
As far as I can tell I'm being voted for not getting anything out of reading and re-reading the game other than my natural opinions which are "oneliners". I was trying to get my thought process out there but I guess its failing.
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Yes, it is totally failing. :3
Apart from SK!HW speculation you really don't have -anything-. The closest to thinking someone is scummy (Rawr barely counted at that point since he pretty much had not participated in the game yet) is "out of Shadoweh and Raikaria I guess Raikaria is scummier".
Consolidation time comes around and you almost literally go "#vote Raikaria just because!" You even comment yourself on how odd the action is.
Your mid-d1 posts were fluffy comments and then being amused at the mafia QT interceptions. While sitting on your easy and pointless Rawr vote. You never made a better vote then that. :T
So yeah IHNN is pretty... uhm. This sure is a better lynch then Raikaria was! Not that I don't still think Raikaria is scummy.
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Not failing, Flailing. :V
Anyway, I'm equally 'meh' about lynching both IHNN and Serela, however, I do have to agree with the general lack of effort on any part that IHNN has contributed.
I'll wait for IHNN's post in ~1 hour before I make up my mind on anything. Also I need time to re-read IHNN as well.
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So yeah IHNN is pretty... uhm. This sure is a better lynch then Raikaria was! Not that I don't still think Raikaria is scummy.
In your opinion I'm scummier I can respect your opinion even though it's wrong. Any other reasons I'm a better lynch?
Not failing, Flailing. :V
>_> The lack of effort is mostly an illusion, it's more of lack of time coupled with lack of seeing anything noteworthy, other than the opinions I've posted.
The reason I plopped a vote on Raikaria is I saw the day turning into a 1v1 almost and found Raikaria to be the worse of the 2 approaching consolidation.
I'll try to stop by again in an hour or so but can't promise anything so should I claim?
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Technically you're only at 3 out of seven required votes, so whether you should claim or not is kind of a thing if you may not be here later. :T You're -also- in the doc/vig group and the actual identity of the doc is really narrowing down if three of us claim d1 >_>; (Raikaria didn't actually claim whether he is or isn't the doc though, I suppose)
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I thought I was at 4 votes, since I have BTs from earlier and then 3 people just voted me out of nowhere.
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You're -also- in the doc/vig group
If I could right now I would totally nuke HW for throwing all the weaker players in that group, should have been randomly assigned really.
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Uggh.
Re-reading I get an overall feeling of 'Null' from you, IHNN. There's not exactly a lot you've posted, and about 95% of it is just you saying your opinion of people at the time, not scumhunting, or looking at posts, or really pressing anyone.
Which makes me not want to lynch you, if only because you don't look scummy, and if we're going to lynch someone for non-contribution, it should be Dan, PX or Rawr over IHNN, all of who have contributed even less, and two of which look somewhat scummy to me [Dan and Rawr].
You've not done anything that makes me think 'IHNN is town' or anything that makes me think 'IHNN is scum'.
I've already said I'm not happy with the Serela vote either, but that's more because it looks like Serela is doing the usual Flailing he/she does.
Of the two, right now, I'd prefer a Serela lynch. Town isn't voting IHNN because he's scummy from the overall tone anyway, however town was giving reasons why Serela is scum [And I can see where This Post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg957175.html#msg957175) is coming from.]
Personally I'd lynch Shadoweh/Rawr/Actiondan/PX over either Serela or IHNN anyday, but I'm kinda forced to wagonride to avoid the noose myself.
Also:
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
HW you are the SK aren't you
L-1
Don't like this much. ActionDan pops up solely to wagonride, but then...
Damn. Want me to hammer Serela?
I don't like this even more.
This sounds like PX wants to hammer Serela, but wants the town to give him permission so he doesn't look scummy if Serela flips town and gets jumped on as a result, as he can say 'Town told me to hammer! [When those townies would obviously be the ones already voting Serela too, since if anyone else wanted a Serela lynch they'd have voted already too]'. The fact he's even asking before Serela has had chance to respond gives me bad vibes too.
Technically you're only at 3 out of seven required votes, so whether you should claim or not is kind of a thing if you may not be here later. :T You're -also- in the doc/vig group and the actual identity of the doc is really narrowing down if three of us claim d1 >_>; (Raikaria didn't actually claim whether he is or isn't the doc though, I suppose)
Why would I claim if I am the Doc or not? Do you seriously think it's a good idea to out the Doc D1? I didn't even claim if I'm Offensive Silo or Defensive [I explicitly avoided saying Vig]
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But of course hindsight is 20/20 and the reason I'm saying that is HW almost definitely realized all the flaws anyway.
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I didn't say it was a good idea or not, I just said it's not what you did :P
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I don't like this even more.
This sounds like PX wants to hammer Serela, but wants the town to give him permission so he doesn't look scummy if Serela flips town and gets jumped on as a result, as he can say 'Town told me to hammer! [When those townies would obviously be the ones already voting Serela too, since if anyone else wanted a Serela lynch they'd have voted already too]'. The fact he's even asking before Serela has had chance to respond gives me bad vibes too.
Just adding to this; the PX thing I think is a possible scumslip.
If he was town and thought Serela was the best lynch, he'd have either waited to Serela's response outright and not asked for permission to hammer, or just hammered.
I think by 'covering his rear' by asking for permission, and, additionally, doing so before Serela gets a chance to respond, that PX may know Serela is town, and want to hammer him, but also not want to be jumped on afterwards because he may be scum. Especially given his lack of contribution so far, yet he pops up just in time to possibly hammer.
Which is giving me bad vibes over lynching Serela in general, since that would make Serela town if it's true. However, I'd still rather a Serela lynch over a IHNN lynch based on participation and justifications for it.
In fact, for now, I'll get off both and do this:
##Unvote
## Vote PX
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Raikaria, there's only like 4 hours left, and most people aren't around.
Sudden flashwagons aren't going to work.
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Raikaria, there's only like 4 hours left, and most people aren't around.
Sudden flashwagons aren't going to work.
Would you rather me go back on you?
Also, ActionDan, take note, that's what you do when you have a scumread.
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Also this is more peak activity time, given the usual torrent of posts I wake up to.
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I didn't even claim if I'm Offensive Silo or Defensive [I explicitly avoided saying Vig]
You can switch between attack mode and defense mode overnight.
If we're going to lynch someone for non-contribution, it should be Dan, PX or Rawr
I would suggest a last minute quickwagon on PX here but the last few times that's happened on anyone it kind of backfired.
-cuts-
I can show up again for deadline and switch to PX if his wagon becomes actually viable.
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@mod: can we get a votecount?
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PX and Dan are both terrible but their lynches aren't happening.
As well, their non-contributory-ness is different from IHNN. It's kind of like comparing active lurking (talking about stuff but not actually doing anything) to lurky lurking (not existing)
Regardless of whether they'd be cool lynches or not, there is not enough general interest in them for a lynch... I think? People might be open to a PX lynch, he hasn't been talked about much.
This doesn't change the fact that I don't think it's a good idea to try to start a new wagon. We'll get into a situation where near deadline we're forced to lynch someone just because it's -literally the only possible lynch-.
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active lurking (talking about stuff but not actually doing anything) to lurky lurking (not existing)
Active Lurking applies to both you and IHNN, but I find it very strange that PX, who has been lurky lurking, and ActionDan, both show up roughly the same time to take you to L-1, and then ask for permission to hammer.
It's a bit too convenient in my eyes that two lurkers show up right as the hammer will drop...
Also, unless I'm mistaken, PX knows everyone around here quite well, yes? Well, maybe that could explain the imitiations... [Random Crackpot theory, but might be the case]
Honestly I wouldn't be shocked with AD/PX both being scum.
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@mod: can we get a votecount?
No
Day 1, DEFCON 3
Votecount Deadline Rush
I have no name: Shadoweh, Serela, huhwhat (3)
Serela: rawr, BT, Zakeri, ActionDan (4)
Raikaria: IHNN, Dormio (2)
huhwhat: NekoNekoRex (1)
rawr: PX (1)
PX: Raikaria (1)
Not voting: No one
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 4 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
No majority = No lynch
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it's too late to wagon px with enough support, even though he's scum
i would just lynch ihnn and be done with it
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Yeah, spreading the wagons further at this point is just plain scary. We have to use the ones we already have.
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so i was making a post but then i started to watch akbingo and then i had to go to class reading again
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it's too late to wagon px with enough support, even though he's scum
i would just lynch ihnn and be done with it
We have me, you, Serela, IHNN at least. We have 4 hours for 3 other people to log in.
Not an impossible task, by any reach of the imagination.
I won't be leaving my PX vote until the last moment. I do not think either Serela or IHNN is scum. The idea of the game is to lynch who you think is scum.
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And Rawr is here too. We can reach 5/7.
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If it's me or Serela/improbable PX and I'm not reading Serela as scum right now...
##Unvote: Raikaria
##Vote: PX
Would switch to Serela if it came done to not me over me obviously.
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Hey, yo, what's up?
I'm opposed to the Selery lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote I Have No Name
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Hey, yo, what's up?
I'm opposed to the Selery lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote I Have No Name
What is your opinion on a possible PX lynch, seeing as Me + Rawr + You + IHNN + Serela + Huh = 6/7?
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I can't read people like PX at all.
And I don't like coinflips when lynching.
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I'd rather lynch IHNN then PX, although I can see why PX is bad looking for sure.
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Well, I'm going to hold onto hope that we can lynch PX over one of two people I think are town until the last moment, as I said before.
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we only have 3 hours dude, it's not happening
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We have 4 people who have expressed an interest in lynching PX online now. We only need 3 more.
That's 1 person per hour.
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but none of those people will switch due to the current wagon status so it's pointless to wait anyway
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Can you fault me for tying?
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Day 1, DEFCON 3 - Game Event
At NORAD, a single transmission pierces through the silence.
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And so I came to see him
Votecount Lonely Hearts
I have no name: Shadoweh, Serela, huhwhat, Dormio (4)
Serela: rawr, BT, Zakeri, ActionDan (4)
huhwhat: NekoNekoRex (1)
rawr: PX (1)
PX: Raikaria, IHNN (2)
Not voting: No one
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 3 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
No majority = No lynch
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I have no name: Shadoweh, Serela, huhwhat, Dormio (4)
Serela: rawr, BT, Zakeri, ActionDan (4)
huhwhat: NekoNekoRex (1)
rawr: PX (1)
PX: Raikaria, IHNN (2)
Not voting: No one
At this point even if IHNN voted Serela and I went back to voteing Serela, we'd get nowhere...
Can we have a rolecall of who's actually here for consolidation purposes?
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worth noting: there has been at least one (1) player with access to the scum quicktopic online since the last votecount
i understand that you're trying but it's totally worthless and you should vote ihnn so we can get on with this
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I would rather no lynch then lynch Serela, he is my townie friendd and we are going to make muffins together
srsly i don't wanna lynch Serela even slightly anymore
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worth noting: there has been at least one (1) player with access to the scum quicktopic online since the last votecount
That's actually a valid point.
However, this doesn't mean that is limited to only the people posting here. Lurkers gonna lurk and all that. In fact, I don't think posting in scum QT and then here would be something scum would do, in the event of leaks revealing them. They don't even necessarily need to log in to access the QT.
Of course, it might just be that one of the people who posted between the votecounts is indeed scum.
And voting IHNN would accomplish even less than voting Serela. I doubt IHNN is going to selfvote... unless you know there are two other people who will jump in and hammer.
Also Shadoweh being here means if Rawr is still here we can hit 7/7 for the PX lynch.
Speedwagon gogogo?
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nobody is going to follow through with it, speedwagons this late are generally considered a bad idea
nothing is stopping you from trying to lynch px tomorrow
just vote ihnn
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nobody is going to follow through with it, speedwagons this late are generally considered a bad idea
nothing is stopping you from trying to lynch px tomorrow
just vote ihnn
4 votes + 1 = 5.
We need 7.
IHNN is not going to selfvote.
A Serela lynch is more likly since IHNN can vote Serela too [6/7], and as I said before, I'd rather lynch Serela over IHNN anyway.
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we could no lynch. I don't think there's even a killing night from now till the next phase.
I don't really want to vote either Px or IHNN over Serela. Both of them felt more town than not.
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What makes you feel PX is town?
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No NK doesn't make No Lynch any less terrible of a choice then it normally is.
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his posts.
@Serela. WhY?
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No lynch on the only phase where there will be no nightkills. :V
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I'm still around, so don't worry about not having enough votes.
I read the last few pages and honestly feel Serela is better then IHNN. Serela feels like she's scumhunting more while IHNN just feels like he's doing what he can to avoid a lynch.
PX and HW lynch aren't happening and PX doesn't have sufficient content to warrant getting any big scumreads. I'm content to wait till tomorrow and see if he has more content, if he doesn't then I'll consider him a more viable lynch target.
##Unvote:
##Vote: IHNN
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191 and 335 were townish posts by PX
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DEFCON 3 ? Air Force ready to mobilize ? 5 days or until lynch.
* Votes allowed.
* Following lynch, there is a 24 hour night phase during which players may use active abilities.
* All militaries switch to encrypted callsigns. Private communication channels are still open, but any messages sent during the day phase have a 15% chance of their contents being intercepted by Wikileaks and posted publically in the thread.
DEFCON 2 ? Armed Forces ready to deploy and engage ? 5 days or until lynch.
* All non-town factions gain a factional nightkill: Stealth Bomber (@Playername)
* Everything else same as DEFCON 3.
Just on this:
This means night phase should be DEFCON 2, unless I am mistaken, since 5 days/lynch has been met. Which means there are kills tonight.
ALL non-town factions gain a nightkill, means there are TWO nightkills, both the mafia and North Korea have a nightkill, unless I am mistaken. That means we lose 2 townies tonight. [Or if we get lucky, North Korea or a Mafia, or a Doc save, or Korea and Maf target the same dude]
I'd rather No Lynch to lynching someone I think is town, upon realizing we are probobly losing two more townies tonight.
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191 and 335 were townish posts by PX
Town-ish isn't good enough in my books when #432 reeks of scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg957436.html#msg957436)
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Clarification on if there are night kills or not is requested, since that will change the situation greatly.
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This means night phase should be DEFCON 2, unless I am mistaken, since 5 days/lynch has been met. Which means there are kills tonight.
For clarification: "5 days or until lynch" refers to the deadlines.
DEFCON 3 --> DEFCON 2 and DEFCON 2 --> DEFCON 1 phase changes happen at the start of game days.
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##Unvote
@mod: does DEFCON 2 trigger if we no lynch?
If it does then I'll vote Serela if it doesn't I will likely keep my empty unvote.
NNR I don't have the time to scumhunt right now, the moment I get a response from one of 2 people I'll be working on what I get for hours to come (i.e. until the end of the day) and I've been dealing with that on and off around this period too.
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No NK tonight doesn't matter. Wasting a potential lynch sucks. :c
and, it says "5 days OR until lynch", so yeah, it'll still trigger. It'd be silly if it didn't, anyway.
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Both of them felt more town than not.
there is absolutely nothing town about px's posts whatsoever
no lynch discussion is retarded, i shouldn't have to explain why
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@mod: does DEFCON 2 trigger if we no lynch?
A no lynch counts as a lynch on No-Lynch-tan. Jerks.
Also have another votecount.
Day 1, DEFCON 3
Votecount Somethingorother
I have no name: Shadoweh, Serela, huhwhat, Dormio, NekoNekoRex (5)
Serela: rawr, BT, Zakeri, ActionDan (4)
rawr: PX (1)
PX: Raikaria (1)
Not voting: IHNN
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 2.5 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
No majority = No lynch
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no lynch discussion is retarded, i shouldn't have to explain why
If there are two nightkills and I think both IHNN and Serela are townies, I'm not exactly thrilled about losing a potential 3 townies by the start of D2.
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North Korea gets a nightkill, right?
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191 and 335 were townish posts by PX
maybe if you justify your town reads by making shit up
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maybe if you justify your town reads by making shit up
I think we can openly ignore ActionDan after his 'slip' fiasco. Let alone this stuff.
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NL means we have nothing to go on for the D2 lynch and also just allows scum/sk to kill after only one town lynch instead of two, giving us less town-controlled kills
there's literally no town benefit
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North Korea gets a nightkill, right?
yes, it is made clear in rules
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##Vote: Serela
Not Me Over Me, sorry Serela :(
If there are two nightkills and I think both IHNN and Serela are townies, I'm not exactly thrilled about losing a potential 3 townies by the start of D2.
This is exactly why I was considering it. Also this flurry of stuff has completely flipped my Raikaria read I can't possibly see that coming from scum.
If I end up as the lynch today I want last words before I get hammered.
Also compare my play now to when I was the D1 wagon back in TD Mafia.
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NL means we have nothing to go on for the D2 lynch and also just allows scum/sk to kill after only one town lynch instead of two, giving us less town-controlled kills
there's literally no town benefit
Except we have the whole PX thing that happened to late to lynch PX, and two flips to go on.
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The town benefit is keeping a possible [And in my opinion, very likely] townie alive.
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we don't have any flips to go on if we nl today
scum/sk can't kill n1
nevermind that even if they could it'd be fucking useless because scum aren't going to nk our scumreads if possible
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we don't have any flips to go on if we nl today
scum/sk can't kill n1
nevermind that even if they could it'd be fucking useless because scum aren't going to nk our scumreads if possible
For clarification: "5 days or until lynch" refers to the deadlines.
DEFCON 3 --> DEFCON 2 and DEFCON 2 --> DEFCON 1 phase changes happen at the start of game days.
Night Phase is DEFCON 2.
There are nightkills tonight.
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the start of game days, meaning town will only enter defcon 2 once n1 ends
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Wait actually I'm confused now. Is that:
D1: DEFCON 3
N1: DEFCON 2
D2: DEFCON 2
N2 ->: DEFCON 1
Or:
D1: DEFCON 1
D2: DEFCON 2
D3: DEFCON 2
D4: DEFCON 3
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the start of game days, meaning town will only enter defcon 2 once n1 ends
Nevermind cut.
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With 2 nightkills per night and Super Armageddon Level nuclear war on day 3 onwards, one townie probably isn't going to make a difference to how long the game lasts anyway.
The gain from making a lynch is far better even if it's a townie. And, hey, it might not be! Townreads aren't always right.
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I should stop arguing because Raikaria is probably going to put me at l-1 if he decides to lynch. >_>
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*Sigh*
Screw it the PX lynch clearly isn't happening, most of the game has said so by now.
Which means it's back to where I was before I went on the PX push.
##Vote: Serela
I should stop arguing because Raikaria is probably going to put me at l-1 if he decides to lynch. >_>
I have said many times I'd rather vote you than IHNN.
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serela, how do you read recent raikaria posts
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"I MUST LYNCH PX OR NO LYNCH" doesn't seem terribly indicative of alignment
Well I guess him not just trying to lynch -me- (who he'd know is town if he was scum, etcetc) over No Lynch is suggestive of town raikaria, actually. :T I have to grudgingly admit this.
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Rawr, BT, or Zak have to switch from me to IHNN to make the IHNN lynch possible. Even then, there's the matter of PX's vote, which isn't on either.
BT wants both of us lynched so it's realistic he might switch. I don't see Zak mentioning IHNN but he had an apparently strong town read on me in several of his posts, so.
I hold hope! ...man, now I'm gonna end up staying awake until 1am -again-.
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nvm serela is scum lol
Hammering in 15 minutes, post last reads if I'm wrong and you're town
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Rawr, BT, or Zak have to switch from me to IHNN to make the IHNN lynch possible. Even then, there's the matter of PX's vote, which isn't on either.
BT wants both of us lynched so it's realistic he might switch. I don't see Zak mentioning IHNN but he had an apparently strong town read on me in several of his posts, so.
I hold hope! ...man, now I'm gonna end up staying awake until 1am -again-.
On this point:
Yes, the main reason I'm voting you over IHNN is that I have a very mildly stronger gut feeling [And that's all it is] from your posts that you may be scum than IHNN, and it's better for consolidation purposes since you are closer to the lynch. Seriously, if the balance of votes was such that it would be more likely to reach a lynch on IHNN, I'd probobly vote him instead of you.
In an ideal world I would be lynching neither of you, and we would happily be lynching PX or ActionDan.
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...wait what.
Oh my god, buh.
IHNN is pretty scummy looking? At this point that's the only notable opinion I have to give. (I don't count townreads as a notable opinion unless they're really strong for whatever reason or everyone else thinks they're scum, so. I already gave those earlier for what they're worth regardless, but people rarely pay attention to the opinions of dead townies if it's not role-related.)
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Considering it's only day 1, there isn't really much to give in the way of last words. >_>
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not really i just wanted to test for a self-hammer
rai, why do you think ihnn is town?
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On second thought, I suppose Zak saying I'm obvtown ++ more then once and then suddenly turning around and voting me is weird. But, I thought he was town :C I didn't really try to read him very hard in a looking-for-scum way, though, so.
Cut by AAAUUGH well that's better then being lynched by a long shot.
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i really think scum!serela would've just expected i caught him on something in his answer to my question about rai, assumed he had no chance and posted a silly response or self-hammer instead of something genuine
but ymmv
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not really i just wanted to test for a self-hammer
rai, why do you think ihnn is town?
Because, as I've explained before, I have an overall 'meh' read on him. In my books, I consider someone town if they are a 'meh' read D1, because there's more than enough of the game left for them to prove themselves, and odds are they are townies anyway, from sheer probobilty, when I have scumreads on Shadoweh, PX and Actiondan already.
The same with Serela.
It's a town leaning. They are nowhere near as town as I think Zakeri, Dormio and NNR are.
The main difference is vote balance and just a gut feeling.
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Just to add, if they continued being 'meh' through D2, then my opinion would gradually trend towards more scum than more town.
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You know what would be even betterthen a no-lynch though
if we lynched someone
except Serela because WE'RE HAVING WAFFLES IN THE MORNING
Raikaria ffs vote IHNN
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Day 1, DEFCON 3
Votecount Lorem Ipsum
I have no name: Shadoweh, Serela, huhwhat, Dormio, NekoNekoRex (5)
Serela: rawr, BT, Zakeri, ActionDan, IHNN, Raikaria (6)
rawr: PX (1)
Not voting: No one
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 2 hours left. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130319T0130&p0=251)
No majority = No lynch
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imo Serela is probably town based on previous reaction + the fact that he made up a silly story about how he wanted to be vig instead of claiming doc to out a CC or just going "nope, I'm an ordinary missile silo, picked doc/sub but had bad luck sorry guys"
ihnn hasn't really scumhunted or towntelled... at all......
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Hnngk I could probobly go either way at this point.
Either someone else votes IHNN and I'll hammer, or someone hammers Serela. Honestly I don't want either lynched and my opinions on the two are so close that if one has to go I really don't care too much which it is.
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It's worth noting that the Scum QT attempted to impersonate Serela, but ended up getting the airline he used wrong (Either that, or Serela was smart enough to name a different one than the message I received) This is the main reason for my town tell on him.
I'm willing to switch off of him, but I don't know what the votes are at and Conq is being slow.
I agree with HW's assessment of Serela's reaction, even though I'm just skimming the thread right now
##Unvote: Serela
##Vote: IHNN
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Very well then.
##Unvote Serela
## Vote and Hammer IHNN
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MOD SANCTION TWILIGHT POSTING!
REMEMBER DOC ON EITHER FIGHTER OR ZAKKY CHAN DON'T TELL US WHO
FIGHTER ON UH PICK SOMEONE WHO ISN'T LIKE ME OR ZAK OR THE VIG PEOPLE I THINK?!?
LET'S GO VOLTRON FORCE
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Ahahaha Zakeri, that is the best. Your role is totally good for something!
-You may talk after the hammer until the mod reaches the thread, but game actions (such as nukes) will not be counted.
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(Either that, or Serela was smart enough to name a different one than the message I received)
Why wouldn't he be though?
(but serela is probably town anyway yeah)
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Doc should idle, since somebody stole tracker from dormio and there are no kills tonight
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To be fair though who hasn't the scum QT tried to impersonate at thiss point?
Cut: Is this where I post Serela.txt?
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Agenda for Tomorrow:
1: Discuss flip
2: Discuss the PX issue several people have mentioned
3: Lynch AD/PX/Rawr if they refuse to be useful. Hopefully all three at once by spotaniously gaining Green Hair, tons of money, and not caring about the rules.
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Cutcut: Oh shit good point. Doc should HANG TIGHT.
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HW is right about doc
Why wouldn't he be though?
Yeah, this is 100% true. If I got asked that by the eavesdropper after that was posted in the scum QT, well, yeah. I'm just giggling because of that happening in general.
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i still think only nnr would post "im gay" if trying to impersonate me, but i mainly just want this to be right so i can claim to have caught somebody as mafia for coming out of the closet
not that there's anything etc
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Screw you guys.
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Very well then.
##Unvote Serela
## Vote and Hammer IHNN
Flipped read, I requested last words.
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then uh, post them?
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Day 1, DEFCON 3
Day 1 Final Votecount
I have no name: Shadoweh, Serela, huhwhat, Dormio, NekoNekoRex, Zakeri, Raikaria (7) - LYNCH!
Serela: rawr, BT, ActionDan, IHNN (4)
rawr: PX (1)
Not voting: No one
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
I have no name (American, Missile Silo) was lynched Day 1.
It is now Night 1. You have 24 hours to submit actions.
Edit: Actually, requesting that all players alive in the game send me a pm overnight just as an activity check.
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The activity check isn't optional. Send me those pms before night ends.
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Day 2, DEFCON 2
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Dc_two_1.svg)
flavour
It is now Day 2, DEFCON 2. You have 5 days (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251) to decide on a lynch. With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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Oh right, no nightkills. I'm almost disappointed.
Speaking of disappointment, I'm going to bed. What, you thought I was going to say something interesting? It's past midnight and I have ~*~more work~*~ tomorrow.
But since I'm posting, Dan/PX/Rawr/NNR are the people whose lynches I'd want to see as of the present, although obviously I expect them to have something to say now that we're in D2, seeing as three of them haven't said nearly enough. PX and Rawr still practically don't exist and Dan isn't much better, so there's really not much on them I could say if I tried to. (NNR is a different matter, and I haven't read his posts in any kind of indepth manner yet) I'm actually going to be off work the day after tomorrow though, so I'll get to be here for more then a few hours! Excitinggg.
Zak's weird dissonance reads thing I mentioned yesterday is explained by the airline eavesdropping stuff, so. Him and HW are like, not even possible as scum IMO. While BT and Dormio are not-as-strong-but-still-pretty-town-looking yeah. Oh and that leaves shadoweh I guess well I'm tired
See you all later to make a post that isn't backed with sleepiness and bluh. I am totally interested on what Dan/PX/Rawr have to say about the game now! PLEASE DON'T GET PRODDED MORE WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR LOVELY VOICES
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(NNR is a different matter, and I haven't read his posts in any kind of indepth manner yet)
yet he's on my "lynches" list, uh yeah hi there sleep I'd sure like some
this is kind of from me reading what other people say about him
obviously I wouldn't actually try to push his wagon or vote him before I actually -read him myself- though
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oh yeah I forgot raikaria which is relevant as I was pushing him
well at the end of d1 I realized more reasons that he very well may be town as I said there, so. Anyway I'm going to bed for actual real this time.
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im here but im kind of sick and depressed so i don't have anything for this game
Serela is gonna cheer me up with waffles in the morning though :3
srsly though i don't has brain for this game right now
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##Vote: PX
his role pm says he's aligned with the mafia, pretty airtight case if you ask me
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##Vote: PX
his role pm says he's aligned with the mafia, pretty airtight case if you ask me
Wait what? What do you mean?
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Considering that huh what is the failsafe, I'm going to intuit that he thinks PX is mafia.
##Vote: PX
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PX's ISO is full of bullshit and no actual town effort
when Serela is at L-1 he's just all "hey guys want me to hammer this town dude?". no attempt to hold himself accountable, no attempt to post opinions on which wagons he actually wants to support, nothing
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I have BT in the "nothing wrong with this guy's posts but thinking about it he hasn't towntelled or been on flipped scum" pool which tbh is Really Bad
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Kind of inclined to Wait and See with PX, the early hammer thread did strike me as pretty strange, but at the same time I don't want to sheep HW because I still don't like him this game.
Can you explain the BT read better, Prims?
Going to go through and reread myself. Yesterday's wagon formed a bit too fast for my tastes, I'm going to look at the people on it and see if any of them are suspicious.
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My head hurts and I have assignments due.
Anyway.
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I really want to vote for Raikaria and NNR.
However I don't really have anything on them other than the D1 case I had.
But since when have I let details like that bother me?
##Vote NekoNekoRex
Nah.
##Vote Shadoweh
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Can you explain the BT read better, Prims?
thought about it and don't really think he's done anything townie and his d1 slamdunk case flipped town which just kind of makes me go "ehhh"
not a full-on cumread but he bugs me? i'm interested what people think about him
dormio, explain shadoweh vote?
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*scumread
O
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cumread
10/10
Anyway.
First of all, Shadoweh forms no solid opinion of her own. She settles for voting Rawr which is one of the biggest non-cases she could be going after.
Shadoweh goes throughout a large portion of D1 without a proper suspect until she eventually settles on Raikaria.
Again, it just seems too easy to me and it also involves a huge defence of Dan to top it off.
Zakeri also called Shadoweh out on this but she basically handwaved the statement saying that everyone is scum but that's such a useless statement.
Also with Shadoweh's arguments with Raikaria a lot of them are laced with what feels like bait to me.
And then after all that arguing about how Raikaria is obvious scum, when the wagons start shifting towards IHNN/Serela, Shadoweh just sits back and does absolutely nothing about it.
And then it also seems like Shadoweh has basically completely forgotten about Raikaria.
On top of that Shadoweh has mentioned PX a few times on D1 about how she doesn't want to lynch him based on the fact that he always lurks except now she's sheeping HW for whatever reason and voting PX with him.
Dunno. Shadoweh reads as all kinds of weird to me.
Also since Shadoweh didn't respond to the futa comment she's obviously not town.
But this is the true crux of my case right here.
Also Serela are you going to break my heart and turn out to be scum?
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Also Serela are you going to break my heart and turn out to be scum?
This is paranoia on the basis that Serela isn't presenting rolecоp results.
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Everyone who followed the plan but didn't get their role, post the role you were supposed to get in regular mafia jargon. Also, everyone who didn't follow the plan say "Aye" as well. Thanks.
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Was supposed to get the tracker/radar.
Also, PX, do you ever plan to post about the players in the game rather than the game itself?
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Shut up, just got out of work. Phone posting while driving ftw
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2am. _
☐ Eat
☐ Sleep
☐ Play porn games
☐ Play regular games
☐ Anime
☑ Post in Mafia
Worst decision of my life.
@MOD: Can the Eavesdropper directly post the quotes he got from the QT?
Following my request is not an indication of your alignment, it's just going to help me clear up my current thoughts and see if it's possible more viable.
Alright, fuck it it's 4am, sleeping then finishing the post tomorrow.
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@MOD: Can the Eavesdropper directly post the quotes he got from the QT?
Yes.
Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount Wrath of God
Shadoweh (1): Dormio
PX (2): huhwhat, Shadoweh
Not Voting (8): ActionDan, Serela, NekoNekoRex, Raikaria, Zakeri, BT, rawr, PX
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 4 days and 16 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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PX's ISO is full of bullshit and no actual town effort
when Serela is at L-1 he's just all "hey guys want me to hammer this town dude?". no attempt to hold himself accountable, no attempt to post opinions on which wagons he actually wants to support, nothing
And, as I stated LD1, he tried to get us to agree to hammer to cover his rear before Serela got a chance to fight back.
Still, PX is alive, so I'll see what PX does before I make my opinion, although a response to my LD1 points and Hu What's points would be nice.
Also happy to lynch Dan/Rawr anytime.
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wut?
This is paranoia on the basis that Serela isn't presenting rolecоp results.
I already claimed Missile Silo in Offensive mode, are you a rolecop or something? I don't understand.
PX:I was in the group that was supposed to choose Doc>Sub>Silo, although in actuality I chose Sub>Silo for reasons I already explained yesterday
I agree that Shadoweh is kind of weird but I definitely don't have any kind of read on her one way or the other yet, rather wait and see at this point.
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I swear I didn't type roleclop but yet Dormio's post says it normally aaaaaaaaa
rolecop rolecop rolecop
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PX's ISO is full of bullshit and no actual town effort
when Serela is at L-1 he's just all "hey guys want me to hammer this town dude?". no attempt to hold himself accountable, no attempt to post opinions on which wagons he actually wants to support, nothing
Well, there goes all of my actual content for this post.
##Vote: PX
Normally, I'd do a thing where I drop everything to tunnel at the people on IHNN's bandwagon, but I get the feeling that the wagon might have been a wasted effort for what it's worth. I'll take a better look at it later.
I've finally gotten a system in place where I can actually focus on my work instead of sodding off to watch 3 minute youtube videos at max volume, so "Later" is no longer an empty promise on my end.
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Huh What is 100% the scums. First off, the plan. Looking at it clearly, it is the WORST idea ever for town. Seriously, put the most important roles on the people we're going to be lynching 99% of the time? And what are we doing now? LYNCHING ALL THE POTENTIAL DOCS/NUKES. On top of this, everyone knows HW enough that they will trust everything he says. So he can nonchalantly put himself and his scumteam in perfect positions to steal other roles with minimal risk. Now, which roles are these? Namely, Eavesdropper and Failsafe. These two can only be discovered by the rolecop, while being the "failsafe" is a perfectly acceptable reason for never getting shot, and scares off everyone who wants to nuke him. On top of this, look at the part where he puts himself and Dan as interchangeable, swapping between BULLETPROOF and Failsafe, both providing the same thing. Perfect cover for scum to attempt to steal roles. What roles would they steal, anyhow? Well looking at the roles we didn't get, they are Tracker, Roleblocker. These two look perfect for scum, considering one of them stops all town roles AND nukes, while the other is a powerful asset for town. Also in the mix is the SK, which I assume probably didn't follow the plan either, but that's not my concern. Where is the third scum? Probably in the Doc mix, which would allow scum chances of grabbing the RB, Tracker, and Doc, essentially paralyzing town's PRs. Now look at this part of his post.
I have thought of a potential scum counter but there's also a workaround on town's side. If we go through with the plan, I won't disclose this until we've already picked, in case scum doesn't think of it.
He never did disclose it. After seeing all the roles Town was supposed to get not be gotten, you'd think he would provide something to help out Town as much as he can. Nah, scum just got the perfect occurrences, no need to give town ideas.
If you want a real reason NNR is scum, him switching from the Dan wagon to the person Dan is voting when Dan hasn't done anything NNR should find impressive is lol
really the dan vote was probably just to get people off his back since it was easy pickings
If you want a real reason HW is scum, him switching from the NNR wagon to the person NNR is voting when NNR hasn't done anything HW should find impressive is lol
No, but look at his Dan vote, in which he lashes back at being voted for after bashing NNR for voting him. Oh yeah, and after Dan throws out that he has a scumslip, he immediately jumps a vote to Rawr, even though he was voting NNR before. Oh yeah, and he never bothers talking about Rawr, he just jumps back to NNR. WITHOUT RAWR POSTING. Oh yeah, and he jumps on to NNR again after NNR votes him.
tbh, the main reason Dan thought my post is a scumslip and nobody else got it until he pointed it out is probably because he's non-town and knows that more than one alignment stole a role
otherwise it shouldn't stick out to him given that I had no fucking idea how it was even a scumslip when he told people to look at the post he quoted. I'm calling him as SK who legit thinks I'm scum.
Yeah, I think he's anti-town in a smaller team, but not gonna vote him.
He attacked my rolespec as if he was talking to a town read only to turn around and say I'm null when pressed.
This reasoning is bullshit.
He flips his IHNN read from town to scum. In the meanwhile, he drops Rawr completely. At all. Before and after Rawr posted anything. Just like, completely dropped talking about him after calling him scum for most of D1.
Look at the people he's been going after. Dan, IHNN, NNR, Serela, Me. He's been going after people who actually see him as non-town. Dan's calling him scum, NNR's calling him scum, I'm calling him scum, and IHNN was calling him SK. These are the people he went down on the hardest. I don't care about :words:, because he can make them look all fancy and look town. Because honestly, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME HW GOT LYNCHED?! NEVER. You guys will just follow whatever he says, so all he has to do is go for the people who aren't and he's set for life. Except for the SK. He's practically forgotten Dan since people have decided to ignore him (by the way guys, this is why mafia sucks, you're just ignoring people and following the same people, regardless of what they're saying).
I feel opportunistic seriously saying I think the best picks for scum right now are Serela/IHNN/PX but it's the truth, they're all fucking horrible.
[size=924324320pt]BAD PLAY =/= SCUMMY
On top of this, remember the point I said about "Here's a list of guys we should lynch, gg gg gg gg gg gg". THIS, WITHOUT A DOUBT, IS 100% SCUMMY. TOWN SHOULD NEVER, EVER, DO THIS. IT IS NEVER THIS EASY. LEARN FROM THE PAST 90000000000000000000000000000000000 MAFIA GAMES PEOPLE
rawr vote is a complete waste at this point
BUT YOU'VE BEEN CALLING HIM SCUM THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME!?!?!?!?!
good morning
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
HEY GUYS, REMEMBER WHAT HUHWHAT SAID ABOUT SWITCHING TO VOTING THE SAME PERSON AS YOUR SCUMREAD WAS VOTING? WELL HERE'S AN EXCELLENT CASE OF THIS. EXCEPT HE HASN'T TALKED ABOUT RAWR ANYMORE, SO FUCK THAT. Funnier thing is he switched from NNR, who he was getting no help with, to Serela, objectively a much easier lynch. And he switched up after getting no support with NNR lynch. Why not make a move on Serela a lot earlier considering you were going on him the entire fucking time. And in between this post and his last, Serela didn't post so there was no difference there.
Oh yeah, and he jumps from leading the fucking Serela wagon to JUMPING ON THE IHNN WAGON. ALL WHILE THINKING SERELA IS THE SCUMS.
when Serela is at L-1 he's just all "hey guys want me to hammer this town dude?". no attempt to hold himself accountable
BULL. FUCKING. SHIT. POINT. YEAH, THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO INDICATE I'M SCUM IF YOU THOUGHT SERELA WAS THE SCUM. AND YOU WERE SPEARHEADING THE FUCKING WAGON. THE FUCKING FRONT OF THE WAGON, AND YOU THINK THE GUY ASKING TO HAMMER HIM TO NOT HOLD HIMSELF ACCOUNTABLE FOR HAMMERING YOUR FUCKING SCUM READ IS FUCKING SCUM. YEAH, BEST POINT EVER. GO DIE IN A NUCLEAR HELLHOLE YOU SCUM
##NUKE HUH WHAT
AND YOUR REASONS FOR CLEARING SERELA ARE ABSOLUTE SHIT. HONESTLY, I'M SURE THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE CLEARING HIM IS BECAUSE HE HAS A 00% CHANCE OF KILLING YOU. YOU AND YOUR BUDDIES ZAKERI AND RAWR CAN ALL DIE IN A FIRE.
EDIT: Zakeri and Rawr are most likely his scumbuddies, he's made little mention on Zakeri other than special mentions so that he can fall back on if he needs to bus, while constantly calling Rawr scum and then completely forgetting about him, same thing. He also swapped Rawr and Zakeri's roles in the plan, which still keeps one as Eavesdropper and one in the doc pool to gamble for the doc and allow the Eavesdropper to steal a role. #Kaidota
? Last Edit: March 19, 2013, 12:30:15 by PX ?
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FUCK MAFIA, I GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO. LIKE
EAT
WORK
PLAY DOTA WITH BROS
RAGE AT DOTA
MAKE A FUCKING NCAAB BRACKET
AMONG OTHER THINGS
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Whoa, whoa, tables are flipped.
Firstly I don't trust HW anyway, and I don't know HW that well.
Secondly, the point Huh What raised against you isn't even his point. It's mine from LD1.
I made that point when I stated, multiple times, that I didn't think Serela is scum. [Or IHNN]
So instead of dismissing it as a BULL. FUCKING. SHIT. POINT. YEAH
, because Huh What agrees with it, how about you actually explain yourself, instead of dismissing it on grounds that don't even make sense?
GO DIE IN A NUCLEAR HELLHOLE YOU SCUM
##NUKE HUH WHAT
DEFCON 2 ? Armed Forces ready to deploy and engage ? 5 days or until lynch.
* All non-town factions gain a factional nightkill: Stealth Bomber (@Playername)
* Everything else same as DEFCON 3.
DEFCON 1 ? Maximum readiness. Nuclear war is imminent ? 5 days or until lynch.
* Nuclear launch becomes available to all players with missile silo in nuclear launch mode.
* Game cycles like this with regular day/night cycles until a wincon is reached.
* Everything else same as DEFCON 2.
We're on DEFCON 2, you can't nuke. If you want to get rid of him that bad, vote.
EDIT: Zakeri and Rawr are most likely his scumbuddies, he's made little mention on Zakeri other than special mentions so that he can fall back on if he needs to bus, while constantly calling Rawr scum and then completely forgetting about him, same thing. He also swapped Rawr and Zakeri's roles in the plan, which still keeps one as Eavesdropper and one in the doc pool to gamble for the doc and allow the Eavesdropper to steal a role. #Kaidota
? Last Edit: March 19, 2013, 12:30:15 by PX ?
General Rules:
-No editing posts.
And read the rules.
Anyway, until you actually address the point I made LD1, instead of using Huh What supporting it to dismiss it, I think you earned this:
##Vote: PX
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i didn't read any of px's ragepost
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i didn't read any of px's ragepost
Considering it's all directed at you being scum, it might be a good idea to read it and address the first paragraph that isn't mindless rage, because some points seem valid.
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And read the rules.
:facepalm: you even had it inside that quote!
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tbh px is probably mad because he's scum and i got a 3 person wagon on him without even trying
The only thing that bugs me about Shadoweh is why she dropped rawr. How was her initial vote a non-case? the rawr snippet she quoted for the vote actually was scummy.
speaking of rawr I think he's maf again now, he spent more time talking about people other than the guy he was voting yesterday and now he's back to making spam posts I guess. yesterday i kinda just gave up on him since px-ihnn were doing EVEN LESS but eh
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tbh px is probably mad because he's scum and i got a 3 person wagon on him without even trying
The only thing that bugs me about Shadoweh is why she dropped rawr. How was her initial vote a non-case? the rawr snippet she quoted for the vote actually was scummy.
speaking of rawr I think he's maf again now, he spent more time talking about people other than the guy he was voting yesterday and now he's back to making spam posts I guess. yesterday i kinda just gave up on him since px-ihnn were doing EVEN LESS but eh
Well, technically, I got the wagon on PX, considering your case for the wagon is my points from LD1. So yeah, you didn't try.
I can see the point on Shadoweh, but I've not exactly had a pro-town view on Shadoweh most of the game, if only because Shadoweh's play-style to me looks scummy, when it's apparently what Shadoweh always does :V
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Let's tone it down before the forum mods get involved. Consider this an official warning in accordance with forum guidelines.
Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount Modkills Everywhere
Shadoweh (1): Dormio
PX (4): huhwhat, Shadoweh, Zakeri, Raikaria
Not Voting (6): ActionDan, Serela, NekoNekoRex, BT, rawr, PX
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 4 days and 8 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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eh tbh
##Unvote
##Vote: rawr
can we just get this guy dead already? px at least has a wall of rage which shows he's going to start pouring effort into the game. rawr is probably scum and isn't even doing that. i dunno i want to murder the non-players so that this can actually feel like a mafia game, 5 days to figure out whether somebody is just being an idiot or is actually scum is boring as hell. you know that semi-rant i posted in the disgaea scum quicktopic? yeah well it turns out that this shit is even more annoying when you're town
i seriously think px should be banned from mafia if he's town though (i would at least not let him join my games unless suddenly he got a lot, lot better) because there was literally no effort put into playing the game d1.
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eh tbh
##Unvote
##Vote: rawr
can we just get this guy dead already? px at least has a wall of rage which shows he's going to start pouring effort into the game. rawr is probably scum and isn't even doing that. i dunno i want to murder the non-players so that this can actually feel like a mafia game, 5 days to figure out whether somebody is just being an idiot or is actually scum is boring as hell. you know that semi-rant i posted in the disgaea scum quicktopic? yeah well it turns out that this shit is even more annoying when you're town
i seriously think px should be banned from mafia if he's town though (i would at least not let him join my games unless suddenly he got a lot, lot better) because there was literally no effort put into playing the game d1.
Except I'd rather cut off a dead limb with nukes later, than keep a limb that's got an infection that can corrupt everything else.
Aka: Scummy people > Lurkers in lynch priority when we have dayviges.
If Rawr is still useless I'll nuke him when the time comes.
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ugh yeah
##unvote
##Vote: PX
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okay, serious question for px: every game you seem to complain about how motk mafia has become formulaic, people only lynch bad players, everyone assumes you're terrible and wants to policy lynch you, etc. if you're town then what the fuck were you doing d1 to stop that by posting nothing that could be interpreted as a serious attempt to play town?
this is at least half of the reason i think you can't just be town playing horribly.
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SK should shoot me tonight, I'm obviously not getting lynched and I'll give them another kill........
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##Vote HW
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how can anyone vote PX after that post.
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how can anyone vote PX after that post.
Which post? The one that looks like a scum flipping tables in anger and attempts to throw away the reasoning against him with 'Huh What is scum!' when it wasn't even Huh What actually leading the push, it was me from LD1 [I was just yet to post D2].
Also worth mentioning the only times PX has done anything noteworthy is when he's about to be lynched, or the whole 'Can I hammer this townie please?' rear covering incident.
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how can anyone vote PX after that post.
because he's scummy?
px is really obviously capable of writing rage posts as scum if he wants to and he definitely would given that people vote him until he does every single game. nothing in that post was a towntell
not that i would know seeing as i haven't read it.
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wut?I already claimed Missile Silo in Offensive mode, are you a Roleclop or something? I don't understand.
You did? I must have forgotten about it.
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actually fuck this, i stole cop knowing scum wouldn't shoot me cuz i was failsafe and flubbed up a fake "gambit" ed1 so they'd think i had definitely gotten it successfully. px is scum.
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srs?
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yes
really just outing this so that dan can start fucking playing the game
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Wow, you're really that desperate to get me killed? He's definitely not town guys.
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Which post? The one that looks like a scum flipping tables in anger and attempts to throw away the reasoning against him with 'Huh What is scum!' when it wasn't even Huh What actually leading the push, it was me from LD1 [I was just yet to post D2].
Also worth mentioning the only times PX has done anything noteworthy is when he's about to be lynched, or the whole 'Can I hammer this townie please?' rear covering incident.
Oh yeah, if you're leading the charge then why are people sheeping to HW?
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FUCKING FORGOT TO VOTE
##VOTE HUHWHAT
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Wow, you're really that desperate to get me killed? He's definitely not town guys.
it makes no sense for me to claim this as scum since i can obviously get you lynched without it. where's your answer to my earlier question?
hell it was probably dumb of me to out it as town but i'm tired of bullshit like dan's post so i posted the claim before really thinking about it :X
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(not pushing "I'M TOWN BECAUSE I MADE THIS CLAIM" but rather that it makes no fucking sense for PX's reaction to be "yeah he's DEFINITELY not town")
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Reminder that if any of Dormio / Shadoweh / NNR can't nuke tomorrow, they're confirmed scum.
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(not pushing "I'M TOWN BECAUSE I MADE THIS CLAIM" but rather that it makes no fucking sense for PX's reaction to be "yeah he's DEFINITELY not town")
Because your claim goes against everything in my PM
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Since this day looks like it's already degenerated into HW v. PX, I'm just going to sit over here voting Shadoweh and crying.
Until whenever I feel like it where I'll probably vote PX because.
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its*
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degenerated
:colbert:
fuck you i caught CONFIRMED SCUM
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Have you not though, that if I had a PM that said I was town, and someone claimed cop, completely against his plan when he could have given himself cop, which is exactly what I said that scum would do, and claimed that I was guilty, and there is a 0% chance of him being insane, and no framer, that maybe, JUST MAYBE, the guy who claimed cop IS SCUM?!
EDIT: NOPE
Also, I agree that Shadoweh is being weird/useless right now, but she doesn't fit
? Last Edit: Tomorrow at 14:50:43 by PX ?
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where's the scum benefit once you flip town? note that i obviously don't need this claim to lynch you as scum. this is basically turning a day that doesn't need to be a 1v1 into a 1v1, something that never benefits scum
js i think town!you would at least consider if this was a gambit or something (it isn't but yeah)
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where's the scum benefit once you flip town? note that i obviously don't need this claim to lynch you as scum. this is basically turning a day that doesn't need to be a 1v1 into a 1v1, something that never benefits scum
js i think town!you would at least consider if this was a gambit or something (it isn't but yeah)
fux gambits
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dormio you should totally just put px at l-1 right now
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actually fuck this, i stole cop knowing scum wouldn't shoot me cuz i was failsafe and flubbed up a fake "gambit" ed1 so they'd think i had definitely gotten it successfully. px is scum.
This is getting desperate to the point of blatant lies. Not only is this the least believable gambit you've done in awhile, it doesn't make sense considering your automatic Town read on Shadoweh (which is still ????) and scrutiny of anyone who didn't get their role, plus you've been playing the part of Failsafe too well, to the point of believing you're vengeful.
Honestly "stealing" the cop role only makes you scum, the only thing you accomplish is confusing town and giving them a reason to witchhunt later.
If you want to lynch PX so badly name a reason he's scummy?
The "Bad Play =/= Scum" thing in 36pt font really fits well here. At least that's a good reason to lynch you.
##Vote: HW
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If you want to lynch PX so badly name a reason he's scummy?
you really aren't reading my posts wow
if i was playing failsafe "too well" then i dunno what to say other than that i was trying to make sure scum thought i really was the bomb? but not knowing failsafe wasn't vengeful was a slip, i never read the role's description in full after sending my picks because i wasn't actually failsafe.
reminder that it makes NO FUCKING SENSE to lynch me before px (especially when there are nukes tomorrow, if you guys are worried i'm a scum failsafe or some shit then you can have the scummiest guy target me) and that as scum in this position i don't even need to post a cop guilty on him
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dormio you should totally just put px at l-1 right now
Don't wanna.
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:(
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Hold on let me quote your last 10 posts to tell you exactly how bad you're playing right now
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OH WAIT i forgot that as cop there's literally no reason for me to switch to rawr
yeah i'm town failsafe. anybody who didn't put PX to l-1 to see if he'd selfhammer should quit mafia forever
NNR cut: how is it bad play if i'm scum
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(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/GIFs/Orin80.gif)
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^ Massive scumtell
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Damn, you caught me.
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Dormio, am I scum?
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I don't really think so.
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Although I am very confused.
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where's the scum benefit once you flip town? note that i obviously don't need this claim to lynch you as scum. this is basically turning a day that doesn't need to be a 1v1 into a 1v1, something that never benefits scum
js i think town!you would at least consider if this was a gambit or something (it isn't but yeah)
The scum benefit is that they lynch town :V
Also the "you're scum for claiming a scumread via cop" seems like he believes it's a gambit
(not pushing "I'M TOWN BECAUSE I MADE THIS CLAIM" but rather that it makes no fucking sense for PX's reaction to be "yeah he's DEFINITELY not town")
"Hey that guy is claiming I'm scum via cop read he must be scum"
it makes no sense for me to claim this as scum since i can obviously get you lynched without it. where's your answer to my earlier question?
hell it was probably dumb of me to out it as town but i'm tired of bullshit like dan's post so i posted the claim before really thinking about it :X
Why claim it unless you are JUST THAT DESPERATE?
because he's scummy?
px is really obviously capable of writing rage posts as scum if he wants to and he definitely would given that people vote him until he does every single game. nothing in that post was a towntell
not that i would know seeing as i haven't read it.
"I didn't read that giant ragepost, PX is scum because I said so, also raging is a nulltell but I'm painting it as scummy anyway"
SK should shoot me tonight, I'm obviously not getting lynched and I'll give them another kill........
Playng to the SK wincon isn't exactly pro-townie play.
OH WAIT i forgot that as cop there's literally no reason for me to switch to rawr
yeah i'm town failsafe. anybody who didn't put PX to l-1 to see if he'd selfhammer should quit mafia forever
Thanks for confirming you are full of bullshit.
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Oh yeah, if you're leading the charge then why are people sheeping to HW?
I don't know if they're sheeping to Huh What, or just agreeing with my logic that I posted LD1. Several people agreed with it, but stated they thought it was too late for a PX wagon to form.
If you could kindly explain why you saw fit to ask for permission to hammer Serela, before Serela had a chance to respond, then I might change my opinion. Because as it is; it looks like you wanted to hammer Serela, but wanted to have the defense 'Town said I could!', when/if he flipped town, which makes me think you KNEW he was town, and the whole asking for permission thing was scum covering their own rears on a townie hammer.
Also confused with HW. I don't exactly think he's town either, but would like PX to actually explain the whole 'Pls let me hammer Serela' event still.
Also, Huh What's flip-flop claiming isn't good either, but I want to see if there's any more developments in this whole thing. Looks like HW is attempting to force a PX-HW 1v1 though.
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really nnr the best i can do to defend the dumb cop claim is quote everything from my thoughts qt since that's not against the rules
really just trying to provoke a response from px with the "didn't read lol" so i can judge if his rage is legitimate or not
(I don't think it is, by the way. He also never gave a serious answer to my question from earlier.)
and then
Doing this to put scum in an awkward position since they should know I'm not actually cop if they're the one who stole it. I don't think a townie stole cop...
actually i'm just doing this because i'm tired of this game and think cop fakeclaims are fun even though there's probably not really much town benefit :( sorry for BASICALLY fucking up your game
I wish somebody would push PX to L-1 to see if he self-hammers, that's basically the towniest thing you could do right now but nope
then again px could self-hammer if he was terrible town i guess but i kind of just pray he isn't/wouldn't?
Scum are totally gonna post this all in their quicktopic so that it'll leak to the thread or zak. I see right through them.
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Except I didn't ask for permission to hammer Serela, I asked if people wanted me to hammer Serela.
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Officially requesting a replacement.
Conq can read my thoughts quicktopic/the scum quicktopic/whatever the fuck actually I have to see why, I don't think it's fair to post the explanation in-thread since it would bias the game.
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Except I didn't ask for permission to hammer Serela, I asked if people wanted me to hammer Serela.
That still amounts to 'Town told me to' as a defense.
If you thought Serela was the best lynch, you would have just lynched.
If you didn't want Serela to be lynched you would have tried to make a counter-wagon [I tried!]
Asking if the town wants you to lynch Serela, while he's at L-1, before he has a chance to defend himself stinks of a scum attempting to hammer town but wanting to cover their rears to me, and several people agreed LD1.
Officially requesting a replacement.
Conq can read my thoughts quicktopic/the scum quicktopic/whatever the fuck actually I have to see why, I don't think it's fair to post the explanation in-thread since it would bias the game.
._.
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Replacing huhwhat. If no replacements are found in 2 to 3 days, I'm modkilling the slot.
Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount ISON
Shadoweh (1): Dormio
huhwhat (3): ActionDan, PX, NekoNekoRex
PX (4): Shadoweh, Zakeri, Raikaria, huhwhat
Not Voting (3): Serela, BT, rawr
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 4 days and 5.5 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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*NekoRex throws his hands up in the air*
Welp I have no idea what to do now, it's hard to lynch HW after he basically just ran away from the game, but that doesn't excuse him for being scummy as fuck.
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Kind of inclined to Wait and See with PX, the early hammer thread did strike me as pretty strange, but at the same time I don't want to sheep HW because I still don't like him this game.
Wait until what?
Dormio, that's alot of just saying what happened. I don't think Rawr was a bad vote in the first place. Why was a 'large defense of Dan' scummy, since you make it sound that way? And I had not forgotten about Raikaria. I thought he claimed Doc. I realized last night that he claimed Doc or Silo, IE the things we knew he was between. So I'm kind of mad about that actually.
I'm voting PX because he's there, also because the hammer request was strange. Being weird hasn't made me scum before, and I don't intend to start being normal now.
Serela, yesterday you thought I was town, why are you suddenly waffling when your wagon is gone and I'm done not voting you?
PX: There are three stolen roles. And Zakeri is probably not scum. So that post sure is a thing.
....
what
WHAT
YOU TOLD ME TO GRAB IT AND THEN YOU WENT FOR IT ANYWAYS WITHOUT EVEN ASKING ME TO TRY AND GRAB FAILSAFE?! Then who the fuck is the failsafe? Do you not realize that someone on the scumteam or SK-Team would have tried to grab it and realized that you were lying? I will gladly prove it by attempting to nuke you tomorrow though. :) In fact if you're lying and you really are the failsafe I'm still going to nuke you fyi.
##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
I rather think your reaction is because you knew Huh what was lying, and you have no reason to know that if you're town.
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Well there must be some reason if Conq accepted it, but damn, this is a mess. We can't really push too much on PXvHW when HW isn't HW anymore.
@ Shadoweh: Ran asked me to confirm/deny if I was Doc/Silo or now, aka: if I had followed my role in the plan.
Claiming specifically if I was doc or not would have been stupid. It either narrows down the doc targets by 1, or paints a target on my back.
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how can anyone vote PX after that post.
Seriously.
Doesn't it even say somewhere that using that command when you can't is supposed to get you modkilled or something? Maybe that was suggested and not implemented, idk. His second post made it sound like he intended to be modkilled. Either way, he's like, totally not scum.
The one that looks like a scum flipping tables in anger and attempts to throw away the reasoning against him with 'Huh What is scum!'
I'm sorry Raikaria but really I can't agree with almost any of your logic this game :fail:
And then HW claims cop with a guilty on PX, uhm. And then he claims not actually being cop? Dude what is this, HW pretending to be me from Werewolf Mafia? Oh my god. (This is more not dumb because town most likely doesn't have cop, but still) Oh god then he replaces out what is even happening
I'm don't even
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I still think HW's slot is town. I'm trying to figure out who the scumteam could even be after all my townreads though. rawr/bt/nnr??? Buh, I can worry about that later. Individual scum first.
Rawr stop not existing. :C
I'm... I'm too tired to try to think more after work and all this crazy stuff. We still have 4 more days of game time and I have the next two days off work. See you later.
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Just read through the madness
HW's gambit might not have worked, but at least it outted Dormio as PX's probably scumbuddy.
This also puts Shadoweh in a better light for me, since Dormio kept trying to pursue the case on her despite it.
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Shadoweh, explain just how is the scumteam is impossible?
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Wait until what?
Until [PX] posts more. Which he has.
##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
I rather think your reaction is because you knew Huh what was lying, and you have no reason to know that if you're town.
No.
I did have reason to believe he wasn't cop. HW made a plan for town to get roles, why would he blatantly go against that? It's not logical. Saying he was trying to "steal the role from scum" either means he's contradicting his assumption you're town when you lost your role or that he thought his plan was a bust anyway, in which he should have just canceled it instead of trying to "steal" roles.
Huhwhat going against his own plan makes no logical sense from any POV. Going against the plan is naturally an anti-town move anyway and admitting to it as a gambit is a scum move.
Huwwhat at the same time is trying to push PX for no clear reason, and wasn't even defending the case on PX, just handwaving it as PX being "teh angry scums". I didn't see anything that made PX scummy beyond typical PX inactivity and his hammer comment, and his "ragepost" certainly doesn't confirm him as scum.
I resent the accusation that I should automatically follow the cop when it's clear whoever the cop is, is scum.
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at least it outted Dormio as PX's probably scumbuddy.
wut?
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Roleblocked.
Started getting re-paranoid over reads (Zak mainly) during the night. Thought I'd sort everything out today including Shadoweh/NNR but I didn't plan on sleeping through the latter half of it.
##Vote Serela
In light of non-stable reads and the sort-through I plan to do TOMORROW, I'm just gonna stick to my own finds. I didn't find any towntell on my skim-through so if that's the reason why no one is interested in this anymore go ahead and point things out.
(PX/huhwhat are both pending reads for those wondering. The latter is giving me hell for what I'm able to make of the last few pages -- the gambit-gambit action seems like something he'd do as scum but then quoting from a QT... a little too much probably.)
I'm a mess. Sleep.
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Shadoweh, explain just how is the scumteam is impossible?
If the scumteam is the failsafe and the Eavesdropper, then it's impossible for three roles to be stolen. It's math dood.
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Claiming specifically if I was doc or not would have been stupid. It either narrows down the doc targets by 1, or paints a target on my back.
Let me be more clear. I unwagoned you because I thought you had claimed an important PR. Now I look back and see that you were not an important PR and we should have lynched you.
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Also, if it's not based on RAGE I could guess at huh what's reasoning. He's probably town/atleastnotscum so.
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Yeah don't ask me how sk hunting works.
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Day 2, DEFCON 2 - Game Event
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Alpha. Sodapop. India?
Potato. Alpha.
Abort abort! Abandon ship! All hands to the lifeboats! We're going down!
Alpha. N. Sodapop. India.
Bravo. India. Alpha. Alpha. November. Bravo. N. Potato Alpha
Soda n/a
Today me and Rocky had a staring contest
Needless to say Rocky won.
Oh god I got another soda bottle in my room
And I can't throw this one away either
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If the scumteam is the failsafe and the Eavesdropper, then it's impossible for three roles to be stolen. It's math dood.
What if the eavesdropper and the failsafe are the ones stealing the roles?
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The above is hypothetical, but scum can deny town up to 6 roles if they were assigned three power roles, then stole 3 more roles.
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...yeah, that'd make the plan kind of brutal for town if suggested by scum.
I don't really think Zak's dancing about with the stuff related to me is likely to be fake, though.
HW I could see as scum (PX's case definitely wasn't bad and almost made me want to vote HW) even if I don't think it's really the case.
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hw is just terrifying I guess :c
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I think HW is just annoyingly crafty, which doesn't help he is also really insightful. He plays both sides of the coin pretty well. Even someone like me, who is really well acquainted with him, has a hard time getting insight on his alignment,
I don't think I've seen HW throw a fit like that before, but maybe it's because he hasn't gotten the rope in awhile and is used to having town see his way.
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Massaca replaces huhwhat, effective immediately.
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If the scumteam is the failsafe and the Eavesdropper, then it's impossible for three roles to be stolen. It's math dood.
Roleblocker? 3rd scum? People who didn't follow the plan?
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North Korea? 3rd scum? People who didn't follow the plan?
Herp Derp
EDIT: Also what NNR said
? Last Edit: March 20th, 2014, 9:00:03 PM by PX ?
<Conqueror> Enough with the fake edits; you'll confuse people :ohdear:
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Massaca replaces huhwhat, effective immediately.
And I'm still probably going to nuke you.
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Still in classes, just here to say that Shizuku and Eris suck (in more ways than one).
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If you could kindly explain why you saw fit to ask for permission to hammer Serela, before Serela had a chance to respond, then I might change my opinion. Because as it is; it looks like you wanted to hammer Serela, but wanted to have the defense 'Town said I could!', when/if he flipped town, which makes me think you KNEW he was town, and the whole asking for permission thing was scum covering their own rears on a townie hammer.
Let me put my thoughts of this. This situation, is an absolute trap, with absolutely no way to go around it. What if I had just up and hammered Serela? I'm scum. Ask if town wants me to hammer the number 1 scum read? I'm scum somehow. Completely ignore it? Best option, but I'll still be called scum. Try to start up another wagon? Oh no, he's trying to not get his scumbuddy lynched, he's scum! See how there's no way to go about this? Now here's the funny thing, as all these different situations involve the person actually flipping something, but they don't all have the person flipping the same thing. And here you go, calling me scum for asking to hammer the person you thought was scum, and wanted to lynch. When he hasn't even flipped yet, and you're suddenly turning him from scumread to town. How, exactly, does this indicate my alignment, and how is it certain when the person isn't dead?
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Just re-read up to PX's long post (#586). That took like 4 hours (*is slow*) and was hard v_v (which is why I can't read old games, it's hateful if it's all already there).
I'm trying to work through it though.
To start with, I believe Raikaria is town. Raikaria trying hard to push the wagon off of town IHNN and onto PX whom he thinks is scum during Lynch time, don't really see why he'd put further risk on himself like this if he were scum. Also how hard he was pushing against Action Dan and Shadoweh.
Inclined to lean town on PX and Action Dan. Thinking Serela is scum, maybe with Shadoweh. Zakeri I'm curious about. NekoNekoRex leaning town but a little confusing. BT and Dormio are null. Rawr, I wouldn't think scum would try to skim through on very low content would they? Potentially attracting a policy lynch though that seems to be frowned upon so maybe it would work (also applies to PX). So dunno about him.
No idea who the SK may be, too many guesses there for me.
Was on Raikaria's side for the whole vs Shadoweh bit. Even though I don't think Action Dan is scum, Shadoweh's arguments were weak due to the reasons stated many times (voting someone for constantly pushing on and trying to get lynched whom they think is scum) and I thought her attempts at getting a couple others to vote Raikaria with her was poor. Dunno how I feel about her posts just around the lynch but something felt odd and I really didn't like her #492 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg957562.html#msg957562). Probably need to re-read that bit again v_v.
#221
I'm having an issue deciding which of Rawr/Raikaria/NNR are actually good voting options. Maybe IHNN could go in that list too. I guess this is because, when it comes down to it, the game only just started and I rarely get much out of ed1 >_> I keep typing "I have no interest in voting ____" and then I read another one of their posts and backspace that out. Buh.
Rawr feels too easy of a target. He didn't even vote, and I headtilt when trying to read his post. I'd almost feel bad even suggesting I want to vote NNR because it feels like he's been immediately wagoned (and usually lynched) in all recent memory of mafia on here.
Oh my god I seriously have an issue with not wanting to vote people before late day 1. Nevermind.
##vote ActionDan
As has been previously mentioned, he has no reasoning for any of his potential votes and the only reasons for not voting two are that Rawr is "too easy" which feels poorly worded and NNR is because it happens often?
Mmkay. So pretty much Action Dan's #373 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg956405.html#msg956405). Which he never addressed either.
Action Dan vote is understandable at the time but feels a little opportunistic.
#298
Since apparently a lot of people want to lynch HW, and a lot of people want to lynch Dan, how do people feel about the prospect of lynching HW and letting him Failsafe-murder Dan? (I suggest he would do this because he's said he wants to, so.)
Really bad. Especially since he just stated he wasn't interested in a Huh What lynch and thought it bad in the same post. Huh What's responses are spot on IMO (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg956778.html#msg956778) but Serela simply shrugs it off.
#445
I claim missile silo in offense mode. I picked Sub>Silo because I really wanted to be a vig, and the result would be the exact same as if I had chosen doc/sub/silo and not gotten doc; since, either way, me and the doc would be the only ones who knew I wasn't the doc.
Seems scummy to me because going for stealth day vig would be great for scum. Or at the very least great for SK but still thinking scum. And intentionally avoiding doc which isn't greatly useful for scum anyway (at least I don't see it being so). Nukes wouldn't be that useful for Town as they're much more likely to contribute to the Mafia and moreso SK wincons. At least I'd be going defensive as a Town Silo
#466 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg957523.html#msg957523) & #471 & #475
Serela - trying a bit desperately to force back on the IHNN town kill,
Though, in all fairness, I can see this from Huh What too but, potentially due to bias, I can see his actual reasoning for it whereas Serela still doesn't have much apart from it's there, we should do it now whilst we can.
It's worth noting that the Scum QT attempted to impersonate Serela, but ended up getting the airline he used wrong (Either that, or Serela was smart enough to name a different one than the message I received) This is the main reason for my town tell on him.
That. I don't believe it proves anything either way. Especially since Zakeri can make anything up at this point and claim it and looking at the leaked Scum QT quotes so far makes it meaningless IMO.
But still, that was enough to just clear Serela?
@MOD: Can the Eavesdropper directly post the quotes he got from the QT?
Yes.
Would like this, Zakeri. Not that there's any real way to verify that it's not BS. Right?
Damn. Want me to hammer Serela?
I don't like this even more.
This sounds like PX wants to hammer Serela, but wants the town to give him permission so he doesn't look scummy if Serela flips town [...]
Just adding to this; the PX thing I think is a possible scumslip.
[...]
I agree that's how it does come off but thinking about it, if it actually happened who would even listen to the excuse of "town said so" the next day? I don't particularly see it as being something scum would post, seems too risky and obvious. Can't see this not resulting in a strong PX wagon. And think it did start one. Anyway, noticed PX's post addressing it and yeah, completely see his point and agree with that. So + a bit more town for PX.
#98
Also, I'm like, totally lisensed to sit back and herp a derp for the rest of my days
Why? If it even matters at this point >_> But just curious about it and why no-one questioned it. Especially since it seems you more-or-less did this.
And I'm still probably going to nuke you.
:(
Still in classes, just here to say that Shizuku and Eris suck (in more ways than one).
Nuh-uh. Maybe just cause the last one I read but current fav.
Runa x Takako are bad. [/offtopic]
Also, can someone tell me what chainsawing means? Nothing on the MafiaScum wiki.
That's all I've got for now. Sorry, will do my best to get through the day 2 stuff tomorrow and catch up. This took like 7 hours as is (a crap load longer than it should have, I'm sure) and now too tired of it all. Not sure if there was much point in most of it but eh. Anyway, sleep.
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That's a long post.
Chainsawing is when you defend someone via attacking the person attacking them.
It's weird.
Also, Shizuku is so boring.
Also, I have an assignment due tomorrow that has been and is going to keep eating up a lot of my time but I should be able to post more after tomorrow.
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Chainsawing is similar to white knighting as well, except instead of just passively defending someone, as Dormio said you go out of your way to attack the person attacking someone. Weird is not scummy, but if the person being defended is scum it's a scumtell to the person doing the chainsawing. Basically if you believe Dan is town, as you said, it's not as scummy for someone to be defending him.
Urge to nuke slot fading, welcome to mafia. <^_^>
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##Vote: Raikaria
yet again im really bothered by raikarias wait and see attitude to getting his reads on people
I think we can openly ignore ActionDan after his 'slip' fiasco. Let alone this stuff.
also this
Ill probably explain my vote abit more later.
Also yea i agree with shadoweh, NNR reaction does look pretty scummy
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##Vote: Raikaria
yet again im really bothered by raikarias wait and see attitude to getting his reads on peoplealso this
Which is totally my approach when I pushed so hard on PX LD1.
I give people a chance to defend themselves.
It's not right to vote Huh What when he's resigned from the game either. I can't exactly continue the whole PX-Huh What thing with Huh What gone.
ActionDan has done nothing town, and all he's been doing is leading us around in rings, and outright refusing to help. Ignoring him is the best option until he actually starts playing.
For that matter, you've not exactly done anything town and now you're jumping on me for false reasoning, and I'm not even sure what you aim to accomplish when most of the people seem to have town reads on me now.
Still staying with my PX lynch.
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Hey, since all of you guys, have, like, unlimited day vigs tomorrow, how about we go ahead and lynch the guy I want to lynch today and you guys can just do whatever tomorrow.
And I'll clean up the mess when you're done partying :( *sigh*
Sure, I could quote wholesale the entire QT, but there's not much point in doing so. although, there's no reason not to either.
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Did you guys see the Lakers game last night?
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I have been thinking about the Lakers all day and I didn't even know it was basketball season. I don't even like sports. The name was just THERE.
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Did I ever tell anyone about my pet rock?
His name is Rocky, and he is basically just a rock with two eyes drawn on him using a Sharpie. I've had him for years, even though he weighs like ten pounds, but he is too adorable to get rid of.
I would never abandon Rocky, just like he would never abandon me. The latter may be because Rocky can't actually move but that is beside the point. Rocky is the best friend someone can have.
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Y/N?
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Stuck in the plane on the runway. You can always count on US Air.
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Alpha. Soda. Foxtrot. Robot.
Foxtrot. N. Lamppost.
Oscar. Foxtrot.
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Foxtrot. Soda. Surge?
Foxtrot. N. Soda. Uniform.
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Foxtrot. Soda. Uniform.
=
A Painful Radioactive Death
Uniform = Oscar
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Anyways, as promised, Obligatory Wagon analysis
so in short, BT and HW had a half decent case, Serela and Shadoweh followed along with sheeping. Dormie and NNR swings away from Serela. Then it ends with me and Raikaria consolidating.
In short, the reasoning becomes weaker as time goes on, but that's more because time grew short rather than anything else. All in all, the wagon does nothing to change my opinion, but I'M POSTING THIS ANYWAY BECAUSE I ALWAYS FEEL DIRTY AND ITCHY IF I DON'T FORCE INDEPTH WAGON ANALYSIS AS SOON AS WE GET IT.
I hate wasting days because it feels like day one: part 2, but then again this game's day one was surprisingly good for me, so I guess it's not as poisonously volatile as I like to pretend it is.
I like you, Massaca
##Vote: Raikaria
yet again im really bothered by raikarias wait and see attitude to getting his reads on people
Could you provide post numbers as examples of this? I wanted to chime in against Raikaria about using the "Wait and see" method, but I feel it would be a moot point if he's actually using his vote to pressure someone (even if it's not the person he's supposedly waiting on).
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HW's impression on the player slot is still leaving me with serious scum vibes (don't expect this to change), but I'll back off for now and find someone else to vote.
##Unvote
Starting with this
##Vote: Shadoweh
Can you buddy any harder, Shadoweh? You've been clinging to HW's side since the game began. Also apparently nobody is allowed to question a cop claim, in a community where we have a gambit every single goddamn game.
Also Shadoweh's wagon jump D1 was the worst, he jumped literally "because it wasn't Serela"
tbh i don't think there's much more to talk about. be honest, would anybody listen to serela if he claimed doc or posted lastreads?
Boy I sure do love finding more reasons to lynch HW despite him bailing the game.
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I'm using my vote to pressure PX, who still hasn't responded to my LD1 criticism, and seems to be avoiding the point. Which *really* isn't helping my opinion of PX being scum, the fact he's avoiding addressing that point.
However, I cannot, or should I say, could not, take much of a stance of the PX/HW arguments, because they were still ongoing, and I wanted the whole picture to look at. However, Huh What is gone now.
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I don't think Zak posting a bunch of Scum QT posts makes him town, just FYI. Any scum could gather together a bunch of quotes and say they "eavesdropped it"
Just a PSA. I think Zak is playing pretty town in any case, but the claim shouldn't make any difference.
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Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount Totally a Placeholder
Serela (1): BT
NekoNekoRex (1): Shadoweh
Raikaria (1): rawr
Shadoweh (2): Dormio, NekoNekoRex
Massaca (2): ActionDan, PX
PX (3): Zakeri, Raikaria, Massaca
Not Voting (1): Serela
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 3 days and 9 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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cut- expand on that. I'd say "I know enough of NNR's meta" but clearly Disgaea says "fuck you" to that.
This has been bugging me all game. BT, how can you base meta off a game you were scum in?
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##Unvote
meh. I dunno. HW's replacement feels town.
I will actually take a look again at this thread in some detail tonight.
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Could you provide post numbers as examples of this? I wanted to chime in against Raikaria about using the "Wait and see" method, but I feel it would be a moot point if he's actually using his vote to pressure someone (even if it's not the person he's supposedly waiting on).
ye
#249
#404 he said he was going to vote me :(
#411 im also doubling that for the unvote. why? because there was always me and dan.
#582 im not counting this as pressure in anyway because he was already suspecting px since d1
Also looking back that raikaria dropped his entire case on shadoweh even though originally wasnt based on the "black mail" seems kinda odd. Also i also find it weird how he was only trying to push the "black mail" for people to vote shadoweh.
The #411 post strikes me as oddx2 because dat unvote. He later just sheeps the serela case and decides to not mention me.
I think we can openly ignore ActionDan after his 'slip' fiasco. Let alone this stuff.
This is actually a pretty bold statement if a townie were to make it.
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This has been bugging me all game. BT, how can you base meta off a game you were scum in?
doesnt stop him from seeing you play the game
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I'm using my vote to pressure PX
I would have considered this but seeing that you were willing to vote him d1 and come d2 you decide not too until huhwhat and zakeri vote, i dont feel it.
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also considering what could be an amazing number of nukes next mafia day, im not in favor of lynching huhwhat.
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I would have considered this but seeing that you were willing to vote him d1 and come d2 you decide not too until huhwhat and zakeri vote, i dont feel it.
I'll repeat myself:
The way I play mafia is that I give people a chance to defend themselves. PX said he would post more later after reading, so I decided to wait.
Also I hadn't even posted D2 until Huh What and Zak had already posted and voted.
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dont care
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dont care
Well it's kind of a moot point to say Huh What and Zak voted PX before me when they voted before I had even posted [Was sleeping IRL]
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Also looking back that raikaria dropped his entire case on shadoweh even though originally wasnt based on the "black mail" seems kinda odd. Also i also find it weird how he was only trying to push the "black mail" for people to vote shadoweh.
I said multiple times I still do not think Shadoweh is town. I just think PX is even less likely to be down.
This is actually a pretty bold statement if a townie were to make it.
And it's a pretty bold action for a townie to say 'I have this scumread on NNR' and then when asked about it to go 'Nope, not telling you!'
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582 was after huhwhats and shadowehs and before zakeris. i dont see how you could not vote PX in that post if you wanted him quick wagoned d1
And it's a pretty bold action for a townie to say 'I have this scumread on NNR' and then when asked about it to go 'Nope, not telling you!'
cute but ignoring dan completely isnt what people should be doing
I said multiple times I still do not think Shadoweh is town. I just think PX is even less likely to be down.
then your vote prioritys are messed up if you decide to sheep onto serela rather then fall back on me or shadoweh
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And it's a pretty bold action for a townie to say 'I have this scumread on NNR' and then when asked about it to go 'Nope, not telling you!'
i dont see how this is relevant to ignoring actiondan
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Quick reply to NNR: I was talking about IHNN's game (the one I actually wrongly tunneled on you as town in). Mistakenly called it Disgaea all this time.
I wasn't at home all day today and I'm postponing this for stupid as fuck reasons. I have a day off tomorrow so I won't be able to run away from this much longer.
I'll just put this up there for now: Zak, can you elaborate on your towntelling Serela? Mainly how confident you were about it at first and why (mostly why).
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582 was after huhwhats and shadowehs and before zakeris. i dont see how you could not vote PX in that post if you wanted him quick wagoned d1
then your vote prioritys are messed up if you decide to sheep onto serela rather then fall back on me or shadoweh
I wanted PX quickwagoned D1 because I had town reads on both Serela and IHNN, and there were only about 4 hours left. There wasn't time to do anything but quickwagon. We had 5 days D2, and, as I stated, PX said he'd talk more. Time limitations.
It was consolidation time, and lynches on you or Shadoweh were not happening. I saw a last chance to try and stop the Serela/IHNN lynch, which was PX's slip.
Look at things in context of time.
i dont see how this is relevant to ignoring actiondan
All ActionDan has done is confuse the town, waste the town's time, or in general spout nonsense.
Unless he actually starts playing the game, being useful, and not outright being anti-town in behavior, the best course of action is to ignore him.
Not like there is much to ignore.
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Look at things in context of time.
i dont see how thats related to you thinking he made a scumslip. if you think he made such a mistake then why not vote him?
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i dont see how thats related to you thinking he made a scumslip. if you think he made such a mistake then why not vote him?
LD1 we had 4 hours. We were about to lynch people I thought was town. I did not care if PX had time to defend himself or not.
D2 we had 5 days. PX had also already said he had more to post later. Hence I did not vote PX yet, there was no rush to.
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Because I didn't realise last night:
##Unvote
@ MOD: How does the sub actually work? The user PM's you and then you declare it in the thread? Or?
Ok, that part now.
HuhWhat's whole deal seemed a lot of risky pushing for reactions and input.
On top of this, everyone knows HW enough that they will trust everything he says. So he can nonchalantly put himself and his scumteam in perfect positions to steal other roles with minimal risk. Now, which roles are these? Namely, Eavesdropper and Failsafe. These two can only be discovered by the Roleclop, while being the "failsafe" is a perfectly acceptable reason for never getting shot, and scares off everyone who wants to nuke him. On top of this, look at the part where he puts himself and Dan as interchangeable, swapping between BULLETPROOF and Failsafe, both providing the same thing. Perfect cover for scum to attempt to steal roles.
Why would scum want failsafe? In case SK manages to catch one? Same with Bulletproof, there are better roles for Scum. Or are you implying Huh What set that up for himself and Dan so that those roles would be unclaimed whilst they stole some other roles (as you think Huh What is scum). So you think Scum HuhWhat set up Town Action Dan for bulletproof? Why?
Makes sense for town Huh What to take Failsafe so that he knows scum aren't a possible take for it to steal another role and leave Failsafe out of the game. Failsafe is only useful if you're night killed, the auto retaliation nuke that can't be recalled isn't exactly good for anyone as far as I can figure and doesn't prevent being nuked but is good in the sense that no-one will nuke you after I guess, but still don't think it's worth Scum or SK taking. Don't think Failsafe would benefit SK much either. I'm starting to get myself mixed up a bit thinking about this too much, lolz.
The way I see it they'd want Roleblock (which they supposedly got), Sub (potentially Serela) and ? Maybe cop to find the SK? (would scum care much about the SK?) But according to Dormio they got Tracker? I don't think he ever explicitly called treason there.
If Zakeri was scum he'd be in a perfect position to steal any role scum wants since no-one else would try to get eavesdrop and he could fake that easily whilst having any other role. Meanwhile (assuming town) Doc is being asked to protect either Zakeri or BT (Rolecop), rolecop is being blocked anyway and doc would be protecting scum or BT (pointless). So scum don't need the doc to begin with.
I don't think there's anything else in that post I can actually speak about.
Everyone who followed the plan but didn't get their role, post the role you were supposed to get in regular mafia jargon. Also, everyone who didn't follow the plan say "Aye" as well. Thanks.
How about you?
Also, opinions on Serela?
Was supposed to get the tracker/radar.
@Dormio: Did you actually have Tracker stolen?
Considering that huh what is the failsafe, I'm going to intuit that he thinks PX is mafia.
##Vote: PX
How'd you come to that conclusion? You're going along with the PX vote based on ? Huh What being Failsafe which is meaningless? He gives a statement that has 0 bearing or backing and when questioned on it by NNR he goes to the "want me to hammer now?" quote from PX which again seems way too risky and bad to be from scum.
Yes this puts me in a bad light, don't care right now.
Oh, here we go:
I'm voting PX because he's there, also because the hammer request was strange
>_>
@ Shadoweh: Opinions on Zakeri?
Just read through the madness
HW's gambit might not have worked, but at least it outted Dormio as PX's probably scumbuddy.
wut?
Curious about this.
I think that's about it.
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Hey, since all of you guys, have, like, unlimited day vigs tomorrow, how about we go ahead and lynch the guy I want to lynch today and you guys can just do whatever tomorrow. And I'll clean up the mess when you're done partying :( *sigh*
totally an sk for srs's
Need to go back and read through Zakeri and Dormio again. It's mainly Zakeri's supposed role that bothers me, just feels such a good situation for scum to be in. And given I think Serela is scum...
Dunno how I feel about it on the whole though.
Actually add BT to the re-read, forgot about him.
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One last thing I think,
On the matter of IHNN; I don't really understand what is going on for the reasons, because I don't understand the whole HW plan that seems core to the reasoning for the votes and arguments. So I fail to understand what is *so* bad about what he is saying. We're assuming people even followed any plan. I sure didn't.
Raikaria, unless it doesn't conflict with #70 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg955780.html#msg955780), you need to claim your picks / role. I don't think we're going to be able to assume anything about the setup without it.
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I am a Doc/Silo.
So you claim you didn't follow the plan but... you did?
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RE: Radar,
I do recall calling treason here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg955868.html#msg955868).
Anyway, classes soonish, then I hand in my assignment, then I do some other stuff, then I finally have time for mafia again.
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This sounds like PX wants to hammer Serela, but wants the town to give him permission so he doesn't look scummy if Serela flips town and gets jumped on as a result, as he can say 'Town told me to hammer! [When those townies would obviously be the ones already voting Serela too, since if anyone else wanted a Serela lynch they'd have voted already too]'. The fact he's even asking before Serela has had chance to respond gives me bad vibes too.
You know, this only makes sense, if, and only if, Serela flips town, which you're fairly certain of. Otherwise, your "case" has absolutely no dirt at all. Scumslip? On top of this, if you thought he was town, then why didn't you try making another wagon, like what actually happened to IHNN.
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@ MOD: How does the sub actually work? The user PM's you and then you declare it in the thread? Or?
The sub may choose to send me a Nuke:Playername PM in lieu of posting Nuke:Playername in the game thread if they wish to do so. If the former, their identity will not be declared when I announce the nuke in thread.
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You know, this only makes sense, if, and only if, Serela flips town, which you're fairly certain of. Otherwise, your "case" has absolutely no dirt at all. Scumslip? On top of this, if you thought he was town, then why didn't you try making another wagon, like what actually happened to IHNN.
I did try when I saw a chance to make another wagon.
And I thought both IHNN and Serela were town. I did not have a real reason to think either were scum, compared to Dan/Rawr/Shadoweh, all three of which I'd pushed on earlier, and not worked.
Now if I think Serela is town, then why would my logic not make sense to me?
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Massaca: He is of the town persuasion. My opinion is that once the nightkills start he's the first one to go.
NNR: Lol. Zak, I am looking forward to nuking people, but I suspect that if my suspects are the scum team they will not let me live to finally give them the NUKING JUSTICE THEY DESERVE. And the receivers of that should be both the people who react to my votes with AAAA VOTE SHADOWEH.
To seriously answer NNR's accusation, I've been calling huh what the SK all game and said I planned to nuke him? I don't think I've been any more friendly to huh what then usual. His replacement on the other hand just made the kind of contributions where I'm not surprised you've abandoned your pursuit in shame. Unfortunately you thought you could push it this way instead. Get nuked.
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One last thing I think,
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So you claim you didn't follow the plan but... you did?
Also holy hell this is a good catch. What exactly were you thinking when you posted that, Raikaria?
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It's not good to go too far off of "I think X is town, therefore Y is likely scum for voting them" when you don't have solid flips. Sometimes X turns out to be scum after all. That being said I'm not going to argue further that I could be scum >_>
HW is terrifying, reading other people talking about all the bad things he did makes me want to vote his slot and then reading his posts (and even his replacement's posts) makes me want to not. And he's a failsafe so we can't just nuke him >_>
PX's raegpost and aftersince contributions make him seem alright 'nuff lookin'. Raikaria I'm trying to not want to vote based off of my townclear of him from endday1 shenanigans. That leaves NNR, HW, BT, Dan, rawr on not-town-cleared-list. I mean, uh, Massaca, not HW. As much as I dislike admitting it, Dan seems town :/ And not seriously interested in BT over the others.
also considering what could be an amazing number of nukes next mafia day, im not in favor of lynching huhwhat.
Not Good because HW is failsafe making it harder for town to reach a d4
idk I think rawr looks scummy but I procrastinated until almost midnight to post and I'm tired >_> and I still need to reread NNR, jeez.
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Massaca: He is of the town persuasion. My opinion is that once the nightkills start he's the first one to go.
NNR: Lol. Zak, I am looking forward to nuking people, but I suspect that if my suspects are the scum team they will not let me live to finally give them the NUKING JUSTICE THEY DESERVE. And the receivers of that should be both the people who react to my votes with AAAA VOTE SHADOWEH.
To seriously answer NNR's accusation, I've been calling huh what the SK all game and said I planned to nuke him? I don't think I've been any more friendly to huh what then usual. His replacement on the other hand just made the kind of contributions where I'm not surprised you've abandoned your pursuit in shame. Unfortunately you thought you could push it this way instead. Get nuked.
I don't see any nuke threats from you other then on Dormio during RVS and on Raikaria. I went back to page 3 and hunted down all your posts in this awful trainwreck of game to make sure.
All I see you doing is chainsawing me to defend HW because I questioned his shitty cop claim. (thanks for reminding me of a buzzword I can use to accurately describe that, guys)
But if you want to nuke the failsafe over lynching it, be my guest, I won't consider anything of value lost.
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Day 2, DEFCON 2 - Game Event
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Votecount Entebbe
Serela (1): BT
NekoNekoRex (1): Shadoweh
Raikaria (1): rawr
Shadoweh (2): Dormio, NekoNekoRex
Massaca (1): PX
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria
Not Voting (3): Serela, ActionDan, Massaca
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 3 days (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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Why would scum want failsafe? In case SK manages to catch one? Same with Bulletproof, there are better roles for Scum. Or are you implying Huh What set that up for himself and Dan so that those roles would be unclaimed whilst they stole some other roles (as you think Huh What is scum). So you think Scum HuhWhat set up Town Action Dan for bulletproof? Why?
Makes sense for town Huh What to take Failsafe so that he knows scum aren't a possible take for it to steal another role and leave Failsafe out of the game. Failsafe is only useful if you're night killed, the auto retaliation nuke that can't be recalled isn't exactly good for anyone as far as I can figure and doesn't prevent being nuked but is good in the sense that no-one will nuke you after I guess, but still don't think it's worth Scum or SK taking. Don't think Failsafe would benefit SK much either. I'm starting to get myself mixed up a bit thinking about this too much, lolz.
I would believe an anti-town could make plenty of use of Failsafe and BP. For one, it gives them reign over the claim automatically, so they can sap other town power by stealing nightly roles like the cop and tracker.
On the other hand, it protects them from kills from other factions. The failsafe can intimidate other players into not nuking or NKing the slot in fear of retaliation. The BP can just ignore nightkills from the other factions and only has to worry about nukes and rope.
If Zakeri was scum he'd be in a perfect position to steal any role scum wants since no-one else would try to get eavesdrop and he could fake that easily whilst having any other role. Meanwhile (assuming town) Doc is being asked to protect either Zakeri or BT (Roleclop), Roleclop is being blocked anyway and doc would be protecting scum or BT (pointless). So scum don't need the doc to begin with.
This is true. Do you think Zak is scum, though?
How'd you come to that conclusion? You're going along with the PX vote based on ? Huh What being Failsafe which is meaningless? He gives a statement that has 0 bearing or backing and when questioned on it by NNR he goes to the "want me to hammer now?" quote from PX which again seems way too risky and bad to be from scum.
Massaca: He is of the town persuasion. My opinion is that once the nightkills start he's the first one to go.
Interesting shadoweh response. I caught that quote too when I reread just now, and Shadoweh's response sounds like he knows more then he should. The quote itself makes no sense, considering HW's role doesn't make him town in any sense, and in fact only deters the nightkill by him threatening retaliation.
Oh, here we go:
I'm voting PX because he's there, also because the hammer request was strange
>_>
I agree that's some good scum reasoning.
Hey Massaca I know that you're enjoying your Public Relations campaign but who do you think is scum? Where is your vote?
Personally I'm still a bit suspicious of you, considering your reads are a total 180 from HW's line of thinking, but I still want to see where the priorities lie.
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Uhhh, what role did you get Massaca?
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Oh hey, blue screens are always fun.
Uhhh, what role did you get Massaca?
Have been waiting for this. I got Failsafe.
I would believe an anti-town could make plenty of use of Failsafe and BP. For one, it gives them reign over the claim automatically, so they can sap other town power by stealing nightly roles like the cop and tracker.
On the other hand, it protects them from kills from other factions. The failsafe can intimidate other players into not nuking or NKing the slot in fear of retaliation. The BP can just ignore nightkills from the other factions and only has to worry about nukes and rope.
Hmm, don't believe it would be an ideal choice but I do see your points. I guess it wouldn't be as bad a choice as I thought.
If Zakeri was scum he'd be in a perfect position to steal any role scum wants since no-one else would try to get eavesdrop and he could fake that easily whilst having any other role. Meanwhile (assuming town) Doc is being asked to protect either Zakeri or BT (Roleclop), Roleclop is being blocked anyway and doc would be protecting scum or BT (pointless). So scum don't need the doc to begin with.
This is true. Do you think Zak is scum, though?
Haven't re-read him yet (after this most likely). It'd be somewhat of a lucky situation for scum if he were.
So I dunno yet. I'd like him to be scum with Serela though :3
Interesting shadoweh response. I caught that quote too when I reread just now, and Shadoweh's response sounds like he knows more then he should. The quote itself makes no sense, considering HW's role doesn't make him town in any sense, and in fact only deters the nightkill by him threatening retaliation.
Not entirely sure it says much of Shadoweh, or I don't get much from it anyway. I'd expect BT to be the night kill since he's the rolecop and then scum could simply block Zakeri or just continue not giving two craps >_>
Hey Massaca I know that you're enjoying your Public Relations campaign but who do you think is scum? Where is your vote?
Personally I'm still a bit suspicious of you, considering your reads are a total 180 from HW's line of thinking, but I still want to see where the priorities lie.
lol, yeah.
Would vote Serela, would consider Zakeri at the moment but don't really have anything. Still suspicious of Shadoweh for the interactions with/about Serela at Lynch time, need to re-read her there.
Seems I don't really have much at all and a lot to re-read.
Will likely re-reply to this later.
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Hmm, logical, and can get Shadoweh's gender right. I like you. Still at work.
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Yeah i like totally have to be scum to realize that Zak, the one person that no one wants to lynch will be the nk, no player could ever figure that out on their own. guess im caught.
Your case is as scummy as your face. Stop trying to derail the obvtown newbie who is obvtown and shouldn't be getting you on his shoes.
Failsafe is pretty good for the SK because it discourages people from killing them. Same for any scum really. Too bad talking about it now is just discussing mechanics instead of anything interesting.
Massaca, that cat is attempting to convince you you are scummy when literally everyone else went 'wow look at that townie post'. Lynch him for justice with me. It will be sweet and bloody and fabulous.
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Also if Serela were my scum partner I would be lynching him hard like the information dropping goon he is.
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Yeah i like totally have to be scum to realize that Zak, the one person that no one wants to lynch will be the nk, no player could ever figure that out on their own. guess im caught.
Your case is as scummy as your face. Stop trying to derail the obvtown newbie who is obvtown and shouldn't be getting you on his shoes.
Failsafe is pretty good for the SK because it discourages people from killing them. Same for any scum really. Too bad talking about it now is just discussing mechanics instead of anything interesting.
Massaca, that cat is attempting to convince you you are scummy when literally everyone else went 'wow look at that townie post'. Lynch him for justice with me. It will be sweet and bloody and fabulous.
Who are these points even directed at?
I think Massaca is posting like town but needs a vote, and doesn't have a solid stance on who needs lynched. Also I said the HW posts leave a dreadful gash on the slot that isn't going to heal any time soon.
Shadoweh are you going to actually say anything useful?
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Quick post, ^just started writing a post up about Zakeri whom I now believe is scum. Might be a while but it's coming. The later point I can't do anything about so eh.
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Hey, yo, what's up!
I found something old and amusing.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/IMGP4500.png)
Though I don't think I want you to vote for me in this context.
Anyway, reading.
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I still think that we should, like, totally vote for Shadoweh.
Dormio, that's alot of just saying what happened.
Because it's totes scummy.
I don't think Rawr was a bad vote in the first place.
What differentiated him from other non-posters?
I think that, considering the other things that were happening in the topic, it was pretty bad that you decided to simply ignore all of it to go after Rawr.
Why was a 'large defense of Dan' scummy, since you make it sound that way?
This is in relation to how you were attacking Rawr, which seemed more like you were defending Dan than attacking Rawr really.
And I had not forgotten about Raikaria. I thought he claimed Doc. I realized last night that he claimed Doc or Silo, IE the things we knew he was between. So I'm kind of mad about that actually.
Not my problem.
I'm voting PX because he's there, also because the hammer request was strange.
Oh yeah so the guy you totally didn't want to vote before?
You just change your mind and want him dead because the dude that claimed not-a-cop says that he's scum with no reasoning given.
Plan on changing any other parts of your mind based on the whims of others?
Being weird hasn't made me scum before, and I don't intend to start being normal now.
Also since Shadoweh didn't respond to the futa comment she's obviously not town.
But this is the true crux of my case right here.
Still reading.
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Also holy hell this is a good catch. What exactly were you thinking when you posted that, Raikaria?
Quoting this because it's interesting and I can.
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And then I realized that Dan was actually still in this game. :colonveeplusalpha:
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Hey, yo, what's up!
I found something old and amusing.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/IMGP4500.png)
Though I don't think I want you to vote for me in this context.
Anyway, reading.
Dear god, I remember that slightly. It was terrible.
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Ok, here we go. Sorry it's long, like half the damn game long :ohdear:
HW confirmed scum for giving the guy who could tell 0 players by posting style the ability that lets them see the scum posting style more frequently :V
Oh well, I'm not planning on going against the plan anyways.
No intention to question/request to alter the plan even though you agree your assigned role is poorly suited for you and would be better for someone else?
Minor but assuming scum it gives you free claim and a chance to steal a role without being questioned.
##Vote: PX
Early slight scumtell during Defcom 5
Announced intentions to lurk
And he holds onto this for a long time. BT questions this and votes him.
What's the scumtell?
Self-conciousness about his role. He was the first person to assert his identity as an American, which started a chain of jokes. I didn't pay much attention to the jokes afterwards since they had reason to join in at that point.
Isn't this really bad? Certainly not something to hold onto for ages.
##Unvote: PX
##Vote: ActionDan
Fair enough considering what was going on.
It's not until defcon 4 that Scum get their NK, and days =! defcon status, correct? Wouldn't it be better for town to quicklynch (or, at the very least keep it to 48 hours deadline)?
Wait, what? You want to quick lynch (most likely town) in order to get scum and SK their night kills sooner?
Nobody touched on it at all apart from Huh What correcting the DEFCON order and explaining DEFCON 2 starts after the night of the lynch. Never spoken of again.
I think as far as non-posters go Serela is worse than PX since he literally just said "I'm okay with this plan" and did nothing else at all
That doesn't really seem all that bad to me comparatively. If anything, I'd be more ready to argue that PX's attempts to argue with the plan look like forced content posts. Either way, it doesn't really have anything to do with why I want PX lynched.
Still wants PX lynched due to DEFCON 5 line.
##Unvote: Actiondan
##Vote: Shadoweh
Dan still needs to face his crimes
PX is still scum.
Also, the real problem with HW's plan is that it included Eavesdropper as one of the roles a person would actually role. I should have just dropped the plan and taken the sub or something.
So why didn't you? You had time and reason.
Maybe because it was a great setup with you being scum? Perhaps went for sub anyway?
Of course, PX is still scum, and NNR is dumb for following along that line of reasoning, and also PX hasn't done anything in the game that even resembles scumhunting and is just forcing an opinion so he can lay down a lazyvote, and seriously, NNR, you can still redeam yourself if you help me start a wagon on PX, I don't think you're scum yet.
So this is slightly more than the DEFCON 5 "scumtell" I guess. Still think it's bad and not quite unlike your PX goings after.
Saying PX has contributed once is an over-exaggeration. His content is only better than dan's by the fact that he didn't cause everyone to lose their mind for two days and going.
Yet you'd rather push for the PX lynch still going off of DEFCON 5 and policy?
Also, this is completely off topic, but what Airline did you take on your trip, Serela?
United.
It is good to set up your scum buddy clears early and neatly.
Serela is either a competent liar or town. I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
I still think PX is worse than rawr, but that's likely because in addition to not providing analysis, and making a useless comment against HW's plan that people seem to mistake for scumhunting when it's really not, I'm also holding that tell from confirmation phase against him. I've been lenient considering the AFKness, but I was hoping he'd do something to at least make me doubt basing an entire scum read based off an joking comment.
I'll happily sheep Rawr if I can't get PX lynched.
basically, I'm only still on Shadoweh because I want to see where people are going to go when we realize that it's time to consolidate.
>_>
Yet you're still pushing PX for a "joking comment".
If you mean invalidating the case on Dan, I do still believe that he's not scum so don't mind me thinking that invalidation isn't a bad thing.
Really tempted to start arguing semantics, but ehh.He's almost certainly the SK if not Russian, though. That should count for something at least '^'
##Unvote: Shadoweh
##Vote: PX to be more indicative of my feelings at the moment.
I really doubt that Shadokaria is going to go anywhere.
Edit: PX, I don't even remember who you're voting for, much less why.
Still on PX. But look above! I'd think "almost certainly SK if not Russian" would be a hell of a lot better vote to push on rather than your DEFCON 5 joke post scum tell.
If I was scum, I'd reluctantly wagon Raikari, and then use the resulting flip to tear into Shadoweh with a huge case tomorrow.
##Unvote: PX
##Vote: Serela
my town read was based solely on role shenans anyways.
Then Serela gets to 6/7 for a while, almost hung, and back down to 4 before Zakeri comes back. At least I'm assuming you weren't around cause otherwise you'd have pushed your PX scumtell when Raikaria was hell bent on it right? Might have worked then. But no, not there.
And then all of a sudden we're back at Serela 6 but this time with IHNN at 5. Aren't vote counts just lovely?
Raikaria pops this in:
Either someone else votes IHNN and I'll hammer, or someone hammers Serela. Honestly I don't want either lynched and my opinions on the two are so close that if one has to go I really don't care too much which it is.
So with good chances of Serela about to be lynched right there you're back just in time to take advantage of Raikaria's post, save your buddy and lynch a townie taking no blame.
It's worth noting that the Scum QT attempted to impersonate Serela, but ended up getting the airline he used wrong (Either that, or Serela was smart enough to name a different one than the message I received) This is the main reason for my town tell on him.
I'm willing to switch off of him, but I don't know what the votes are at and Conq is being slow.
I agree with HW's assessment of Serela's reaction, even though I'm just skimming the thread right now
##Unvote: Serela
##Vote: IHNN
Like I said, it's a good thing you set that claim up in advance. Though it does seem a little odd that this was shrugged off as "meh, role shenans" but now it's distinguising.
Maybe it's just me.
Wait, what's that bolded bit? So you didn't know that Serela was just about to be lynched and that your post could get townie IHNN hammered almost immediately?
Ok then.
Very well then.
##Unvote Serela
## Vote and Hammer IHNN
Townie stealth mislynch accomplished, Well done Zakeri.
Normally, I'd do a thing where I drop everything to tunnel at the people on IHNN's bandwagon, but I get the feeling that the wagon might have been a wasted effort for what it's worth. I'll take a better look at it later.
I cut out that he's still on PX but has an actual reason now, even if I disagree with it. But still, you think analysing the wagon that you brought the hammer down on might be a waste of effort?
Never mind, you do anyway, that'll be in a moment.
HW's gambit might not have worked, but at least it outted Dormio as PX's probably scumbuddy.
wut?
He still hasn't responded to this.
I don't really think Zak's dancing about with the stuff related to me is likely to be fake, though.
Anyways, as promised, Obligatory Wagon analysis
so in short, BT and HW had a half decent case, Serela and Shadoweh followed along with sheeping. Dormie and NNR swings away from Serela. Then it ends with me and Raikaria consolidating.
In short, the reasoning becomes weaker as time goes on, but that's more because time grew short rather than anything else. All in all, the wagon does nothing to change my opinion, but I'M POSTING THIS ANYWAY BECAUSE I ALWAYS FEEL DIRTY AND ITCHY IF I DON'T FORCE INDEPTH WAGON ANALYSIS AS SOON AS WE GET IT.
So your in-depth wagon analysis is that there's nothing to really look at as it gets weaker and weaker the closer it gets to you saving Serela and forcing hammer on IHNN?
I hate wasting days because it feels like day one: part 2, but then again this game's day one was surprisingly good for me,
Indeed.
I like you, Massaca
Mutual, despite this post.
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Forgot something >_>
##Vote: Zakeri
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Would sheep, but that's boring.
Not entirely sure what else I can say about the game state right now.
I need to read things in more depth or something.
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I dunno though, since gut tells me that Serela is town. ㅇ~ㅇ
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Zakeri prodded.
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Since I haven't read D2 properly up to now (and I probably rushed it), well, you've been warned.
Don't like Dormio #572. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg957932.html#msg957932) I think he referred to his usual tunneling when he fakevoted NNR... which means he's aware. It's like his reason for voting isn't to lynch scum but instead to avoid being classified as tunneling. I mean, yeah, he explains the vote later, but this post makes it sound like he preferred the NNR/Raikaria vote.
I actually don't know how I feel about HW saying that I'm bugging him for being null. I mean, it's a legitimate point, but it isn't something he does usually. From past games where I was null and he was town he didn't pay me any mind, so seeing him point to me and telling others to Look Out for no extraordinary reason is irking me. ugh cumreads really
I never addressed it but Serela choosing to go with Sub>Silo over what he was told really makes me feel like this is the right vote. I don't remember who said that Scum!Serela wasn't likely to make up the story of "hey I chose to do this instead" (huhwhat?) but it's really the exact opposite -- scum had motivation behind securing the sub and they would obviously have to ready an explanation in advance.
Shadoweh leans scum if only because Dormio (later NNR) did bring up some things and the impression I had from her D1 was really weak. I need to do a proper read sometime whatever the case because holy damn I'm unsatisfied with this.
Oh, and I'm biased about Massaca, I think, seeing as we agree on Serelascum, but besides that and :effort: his opening post is... okay? I don't really know. Have you been following the game before subbing in?
Wait.
I'd expect BT to be the night kill since he's the Roleclop and then scum could simply block Zakeri or just continue not giving two craps >_>
Blocking who now?
Hmm, logical, and can get Shadoweh's gender right. I like you [Massaca]. Still at work.
Okay but you were all about how huhwhat was 100% scum earlier.
Definitely not done. Need rereading.
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Liking him =/= Thinking he's town
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I don't like the idea of using "X is the perfect role for scum to have because then blah blah blah" because that reasoning assumes either blind luck (which means absolutely nothing in terms of pinning blame onto someone) or it means that HW is confirmed scum, which if there's anyone this game I think is definitely not scum, it's HW/Massaca.
No intention to question/request to alter the plan even though you agree your assigned role is poorly suited for you and would be better for someone else?
I'm weak willed like that.
Re: PX vote - Fair enough. It's a weak scumtell that not everybody agrees with, but it's a scumtell for me none-the-less, and I've latched onto it because if I didn't, I'd just be wasting everyone's time.
Wait, what? You want to quick lynch (most likely town) in order to get scum and SK their night kills sooner?
No, I misread the rules. I thought it would stay in defcon 3 if we lynched sooner, which would result in more lynches without NKs.
The rest of the case is just repeatedly poking me for the fact that I believe in my early scumtell of PX (which I do).
Also, yeah, one of the reasons I discarded the IHNN wagon was because I did in fact think I was the scummiest looking person on it, but I didn't say that out loud because I know I'm town.
Not an Edit: Dammit, I wanted to get this post out early to prevent the prod.
Blocking who now?
I thought this might have been a good catch when I saw it, but it was posted before the post where Mass stated the belief that I was scum.
Still, it's worth noting that I don't think they'd have a reason to block the eavesdropper, even if it were possible.
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I don't remember who said that Scum!Serela wasn't likely to make up the story of "hey I chose to do this instead" (huhwhat?) but it's really the exact opposite -- scum had motivation behind securing the sub and they would obviously have to ready an explanation in advance.
Terrible reasoning. There was lots of people trying to get doc. It'd make perfect sense if I just said I tried to get doc and didn't. No explanation is needed, because my draft pick pm is not public knowledge so no one would know if I didn't actually try to get doc.
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I thought this might have been a good catch when I saw it, but it was posted before the post where Mass stated the belief that I was scum.
Still, it's worth noting that I don't think they'd have a reason to block the eavesdropper, even if it were possible.
I thought it was the latter so I want him to answer what he meant.
Terrible reasoning. There was lots of people trying to get doc. It'd make perfect sense if I just said I tried to get doc and didn't. No explanation is needed, because my draft pick pm is not public knowledge so no one would know if I didn't actually try to get doc.
Oh, wow, yeah. My bad.
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(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/IMGP4500.png)
are you asking me to vote you?
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Prod dodge. It's friday, so I won't be back until late tonight / tomorrow
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Have you been following the game before subbing in?
Define following, I hadn't intended to be in it when I was reading so I didn't have anything noted or much memory of earlier stuff. So yeah, I'd been reading it, still had to go back through everything though, which is harder than I expected.
I'd expect BT to be the night kill since he's the Roleclop and then scum could simply block Zakeri or just continue not giving two craps >_>
Blocking who now?
Not sure I follow.
At the time I thought you'd be much more likely to be shot because of your role whereas Shadoweh thought Zakeri would be shot. Killing you makes more sense since then their roleblocker is free to go after someone else. Point was there's no reason to kill Zakeri since (if town) he could be blocked instead or be ignored. I've just restated the same thing, that doesn't help.
If Zakeri's scum he's not gunna die anyway thus he'd be seen as being ignored by scum.
Worth noting, I forgot about the SK >_> Who would target one of you two (or me) since he'd want as many potential nukes as possible.
I thought this might have been a good catch when I saw it, but it was posted before the post where Mass stated the belief that I was scum.
Doesn't really matter.
Still, it's worth noting that I don't think they'd have a reason to block the eavesdropper, even if it were possible.
What makes you think it isn't possible?
No, I misread the rules. I thought it would stay in defcon 3 if we lynched sooner, which would result in more lynches without NKs.
Yeah, I considered that. Was curious about how you'd reply.
Shadoweh is confusing BTW.
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I thought this might have been a good catch when I saw it, but it was posted before the post where Mass stated the belief that I was scum.
Still, it's worth noting that I don't think they'd have a reason to block the eavesdropper, even if it were possible.
I thought it was the latter so I want him to answer what he meant.
It was a response to Shadoweh about killing Zakeri tonight. They wouldn't, they'd kill BT and use the roleblocker elsewhere (though I realised now that that should be to block silo's since scum doesn't want loads of those going off). So yeah, I made a mistake with that since I forgot about priorities.
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They wouldn't, they'd kill BT and use the roleblocker elsewhere (though I realised now that that should be to block silo's since scum doesn't want loads of those going off).
In which case it'd make more sense not to shoot BT and instead shoot someone who's a silo. Block another silo and SK probably kills BT or myself?
Dammit, stupid role stuff confusing me yet again x_x
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I don't think we need to worry THAT much about who the mafia who going to nk unless you're a doc, in which case you don't need to talk about it.
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ActionDan and Raikaria prodded.
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Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount Prods Everywhere
Serela (1): BT
NekoNekoRex (1): Shadoweh
Raikaria (1): rawr
Shadoweh (2): Dormio, NekoNekoRex
Massaca (1): PX
Zakeri (1): Massaca
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria
Not Voting (2): Serela, ActionDan
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 1 day and 21.5 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
Shadoweh is prodded. didn't actually get prodded because my browser crashed before I could send the prod and then when I came back she had already posted. Isn't it sad?
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Shadoweh leans scum if only because Dormio (later NNR) did bring up some things and the impression I had from her D1 was really weak. I need to do a proper read sometime whatever the case because holy damn I'm unsatisfied with this.
Saying that I lean scum because someone else might have said some stuff about me is weak. So far the cases on me have boiled down to 'Shadoweh is confusing I will continue to stare accusingly at her' and then blossomed into rage votes when I call people out on their shit. Dormio is the only one with a legit case on me, but if you were really reading his case I would expect you to use actual words he said.
Dormio, I'm probably not getting lynched, you should help me bus my buddies today and nuke me tomorrow to save vote consolidation time. I'm a much easier vig then lynchee. Massaca, similar about Zak, he is absolutely not going to be lynched today so you should vote elsewhere.
Oh, and I'm biased about Massaca, I think, seeing as we agree on Serelascum, but besides that and :effort: his opening post is... okay? I don't really know. Have you been following the game before subbing in?
His post was really awesome? The fact that people keep trying to make it sound bad is half of why I think people are being scummy around him. We have a good solid townread. Stop being so BUT WHAT IF HE WROTE MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS AS SCUM?!?!
I'll respond to whatever drivel NNR said about me next while wondering why there aren't two wagons, one on Raikaria and one on NNR.
Cut: WHAT THE HELL MANG
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Who are these points even directed at?
I think Massaca is posting like town but needs a vote, and doesn't have a solid stance on who needs lynched. Also I said the HW posts leave a dreadful gash on the slot that isn't going to heal any time soon.
Shadoweh are you going to actually say anything useful?
So it literally is nonsense. They're directed at you, smartcatsass. And the Massaca posts heal all wounds and you are scummy for still trying to hold onto the wonders of lynching him. You can kill him tonight if you think it will help. :) I've been plenty useful. I even have my vvote on scum.
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To be fair to Massaca his Zakeri case is pretty good. If you really think Serela is scum with Zakeri, there'd have to be some Serela calling Zak scummy somewhere..
Ahahaha Zakeri, that is the best. Your role is totally good for something!
I don't really think Zak's dancing about with the stuff related to me is likely to be fake, though.
Zak's weird dissonance reads thing I mentioned yesterday is explained by the airline eavesdropping stuff, so. Him and HW are like, not even possible as scum IMO. While BT and Dormio are not-as-strong-but-still-pretty-town-looking yeah. Oh and that leaves shadoweh I guess well I'm tired
No, definitely not scum together. Serela is clearly using what Zak's overheard as happy reasons to clear himself, which he wouldn't be able to stomach as scum. Seriously he's not capable of it. If anything this makes Serela sound way too chipper which is a scumtell for him. Would still not lynch Zak, would definitely lynch Serela first.
PS: Not only did I shut down the mod I've also relegated his brain to another dimension TAKE THAT
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[17:32:44] <~Conq> Shizuru_Dormatsu: you're up for a prod in 3 hours just fyi
So I got Heart of the Swarm. I can't deny my Korean blood.
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Dormio why won't you vote NNR with me? This shouldn't be hard for you. He's a catfaec, he's got a big cat's face, he's got the body of a cat and the head of a cat and he flies through the air cause he's got a cat's face, vote NNR!
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So I got Heart of the Swarm. I can't deny my Korean blood.
I got Dormio Worms. We are having too much fun.
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Fuck that banana bomb. Anyway, reading now before I go back to zerg rush ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ.
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Dormio why won't you vote NNR with me? This shouldn't be hard for you. He's a catfaec, he's got a big cat's face, he's got the body of a cat and the head of a cat and he flies through the air cause he's got a cat's face, vote NNR!
Stop it woman, your feminine wiles can only get you so far...
##Unvote
##Vote NNR
Nah.
Don't like Dormio #572. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg957932.html#msg957932) I think he referred to his usual tunneling when he fakevoted NNR... which means he's aware. It's like his reason for voting isn't to lynch scum but instead to avoid being classified as tunneling. I mean, yeah, he explains the vote later, but this post makes it sound like he preferred the NNR/Raikaria vote.
ㅇ~ㅇ
No idea how you're deriving that but okay.
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I'm serious about needing to consolidate though. There's been practically no movement to anything in the past day, it's like a ghost town in here. Naturally I want you to not try to consolidate on me because it's a waste of time and I really want to nuke people tomorrow okay
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I dunno. I don't really have much to say right now. And I want to play HotS.
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So it literally is nonsense. They're directed at you, smartcatsass. And the Massaca posts heal all wounds and you are scummy for still trying to hold onto the wonders of lynching him. You can kill him tonight if you think it will help. :) I've been plenty useful. I even have my vvote on scum.
Wow there are a lot of reasons to vote me in this post
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Also keep buddying the HW slot, I need it so I can have a running tally of how many "I support the Failsafe" posts you make, despite the Failsafe starting to doubt your credibility too.
Maybe you should address those points instead of blowing it off as mean old NekoRex poisoning the minds of young newbies.
Also a NekoRex never forgets the treacheries of Huhwhat. But maybe I'll ignore it for now if Massaca switches to Shadoweh, The Right Choice
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Sorry, was busy yesterday.
And I come back and there's... not a lot.
Raikaria pops this in:
So with good chances of Serela about to be lynched right there you're back just in time to take advantage of Raikaria's post, save your buddy and lynch a townie taking no blame.
I forgot about this. Zakeri had been pretty lurky, and pops up almost instantly after I post my thoughts on hammering. Could be suspicious, or just co-incidence.
PX is still virtually non-existent and still hasn't answered the key of my point against him...
General opinion on Shadoweh is moving closer to town now.
Everything else is honestly the same. There was a lot of waffle yesterday, but not a lot of anything happening.
I suggest if we are moving to consolidation, we do one of two things:
1: Lynch PX, several people have already shown agreement with this.
2: Lynch ActionDan. Seriously. He needs to go by now, and ity's better than a consolidation on lynch on someone actually playing he game.
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Oh right, I have to post before work because I have work again and don't want to come back prodded.
My opinion about today's lynch is surprisingly ambivalent. Why? Because we're going to get to nuke a bunch of the people we don't like tomorrow without having to decide with a majority. As far as I can see, anyone who a majority can agree needs to get lynched would probably get nuked tomorrow anyway.
Instead, how about we lynch the failsafe that can't be nuked? People's reads on that slot are awkward at best, and we can't nuke it later without losing an extra person >_> Even if it gets nightkilled we lose an extra person. Actually getting to d4 would be nice for town, and we do NOT have the ability to take it for granted that we'll make it that far. That slot is the most likely to get passed over in favor of other lynches in the future since it could be our last town-powered lynch (and especially so with the main killing force soon, nukes, due to failsafe), but it's track record isn't good enough that I want Massaca to be one of the people in endgame at all.
I think with the lynch+nukes we can clean up the really scummy people d3 regardless, and then hopefully have gotten enough scum (or even the SK) that we can make D4 without being completely screwed. It's actually in the SK's favor to nightkill the failsafe because an extra person will die.
##Vote Massaca
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also if I was the sk I'd be pretty motivated to make a big fancy plan that favors me winning and watch everyone else flail awkwardly when it inevitably goes weird
failsafe is a pretty good role pick for SK because mafia don't really want to nk it if they're not positive they won't get targetted, and you won't get nuked, and if you DO die in a not-lynch manner you take another person down with you which is good for Everyone Dies win condition
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Define following, I hadn't intended to be in it when I was reading so I didn't have anything noted or much memory of earlier stuff. So yeah, I'd been reading it, still had to go back through everything though, which is harder than I expected.
I was basically wondering if you had established any opinions before joining.
Not sure I follow.
What I was confused about here is clear to me now since you think blocking the eav. is possible. It doesn't really make sense to me but that's another topic I guess.
Saying that I lean scum because someone else might have said some stuff about me is weak. So far the cases on me have boiled down to 'Shadoweh is confusing I will continue to stare accusingly at her' and then blossomed into rage votes when I call people out on their shit. Dormio is the only one with a legit case on me, but if you were really reading his case I would expect you to use actual words he said.
No duh it is, I said so myself. Just because I didn't add anything / repeat things doesn't mean you get to accuse me of not reading, though.
His post was really awesome? The fact that people keep trying to make it sound bad is half of why I think people are being scummy around him. We have a good solid townread. Stop being so BUT WHAT IF HE WROTE MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS AS SCUM?!?!
But I didn't make it sound bad. I only said that I'm not getting anything too special about his first post (addressed to people who ARE getting something from it) but I'm feeling okay about him anyway. In fact I do think he's town now after reading the Zak case. Reads like classic "guys I found a scum conspiracy" newbtown. (About that: The nature of Zak's "Serela towntell" is what made me paranoid about him overnight -- I don't think he responded to me yet about that. I think starting to talk about faking messages in the scum QT is a bit too far off, though.)
What do you actually think about me, Shadoweh? I can't tell if you're trying to paint me as scum in these posts or you're just being you.
[Serela quotes]
No, definitely not scum together. Serela is clearly using what Zak's overheard as happy reasons to clear himself, which he wouldn't be able to stomach as scum. Seriously he's not capable of it. If anything this makes Serela sound way too chipper which is a scumtell for him. Would still not lynch Zak, would definitely lynch Serela first.
If anything the thing that sticks out in those quotes is Serela going "oh yeah that airlines thing explains everything, Zakky can't be scum" after eyeing him for read dissonance. Especially considering I'm not even the only one that feels/felt funny about Zak's clear (Massaca).
No idea how you're deriving that but okay.
You basically said "I want to vote Raikaria/NNR but nah" and I don't see another reason for that.
Also a NekoRex never forgets the treacheries of Huhwhat. But maybe I'll ignore it for now if Massaca switches to Shadoweh, The Right Choice
How are you reading Masacca? Just Masacca?
Failsafe BAD
##Vote Massaca
Rank your lynch preferences. This tells nothing.
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Conqueror's browser needs to crash more often.
I agree with BT about Massa's case on me. It's kind of dumb, but it's also really town-sourced.
I personally don't believe the role picking conspiracy because 1. It depends on Massa/HW being scum (which I don't believe), and 2. It requires scum to take initiative in the very early parts of the game, which isn't likely to happen in my experience. (Or maybe that's just me).
Also, Serela, that's really bad logic. There's no reason to lynch the failsafe unless we're certain it's scum. Even if it was the result of scum crossfire, I think it'd be more likely to see scum flipping in the result.
...of course, I probably shouldn't be saying this with the case hanging over my head, though.
Also Majority reasoning in the same post is flawed, for much worse reasons. People aren't going to attempt to nuke the person that everyone agrees is scum. They're going to nuke the person THEY KNOW IS SCUM BUT NOBODY IS LISTENING TO ME, WAHH. The fact that half the players are going to get the chance to ignore majority rule doesn't mean the town should give up on trying to convince each other of their scumspects.
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ActionDan has gone afk. Will replace/modkill him if he doesn't post before his 48 hours are up.
Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount of Votecounts
Serela (1): BT
NekoNekoRex (1): Shadoweh
Raikaria (1): rawr
Shadoweh (2): Dormio, NekoNekoRex
Massaca (2): PX, Serela
Zakeri (1): Massaca
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria
Not Voting (1): ActionDan
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 1 day and 9.5 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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yawn
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##Vote Serela
I don't remember HW/Masssssssasssca being in her voting options. Vote on that wagon is sus.
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It depends on Massa/HW being scum (which I don't believe)
It also could have been very lucky of you if you were scum :V. But yea you selecting eavesdrop I cant really see as being scummy since huhwhat selected it for you. Though massaca is right it really is an easy roll for scum to sit on like failsafe.
@serela or you know we could lynch scum today and lynch massaca if we decide hes scum tomorrow also? im dont think theres enough nukes for the game to end tomorrow
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OK, if me and ActionDan are alive and there are nukes, I'm nuking him instanty.
Serela, can you give opinions other than 'We should lynch the failsafe' to lynch the failsafe? The failsafe is giving pretty much the whole town a town feeling, so suggesting to lynch what amounts to a townie immune to mafia attempts to nuke them seems foolish.
Because right now that suggestion is making me regret lynching IHNN over you. [Still want PX lynched more, and ActionDan but I'm going to make him die a painful radioactive death.]
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Massaca's opinion of me doesn't have much to do with his own towniness. I think Dormio is town too and he hasn't stopped lazily voting me all day.
BT: I think you're null. You're the only PR left and I'd prefer to leave you so no one blocks my nuclear fusion tomorrow because I'm sure NNR and Raikaria want to stop me from murdering them.
##Vote: Serela That is the most terrible reason to vote Massaca since ever? Serela, who are your scumreads and why? These waffles are starting to taste suspiciously like bullshit.
Rai: Nukes are 48 hours :V If you try to nuke Dan it will only give more reason to destroy you since Dan is the one immune to nightkills.
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But I didn't make it sound bad. I only said that I'm not getting anything too special about his first post (addressed to people who ARE getting something from it) but I'm feeling okay about him anyway. In fact I do think he's town now after reading the Zak case. Reads like classic "guys I found a scum conspiracy" newbtown.
I'd say that dead on towntell is special though, wouldn't you? It's the kind of thing you can't fake. I wasn't -as- upset with you as the people I'm threatening with nuclear death.
If anything the thing that sticks out in those quotes is Serela going "oh yeah that airlines thing explains everything, Zakky can't be scum" after eyeing him for read dissonance. Especially considering I'm not even the only one that feels/felt funny about Zak's clear (Massaca).
That's what I meant. Zak's reaction is more trying to break the game. Serela's reaction was I'M SO GLAD I CAN TRUST YOU ZAKKY-CHAAAAAN!
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Oh, and if anyone who isn't NekoNekoRex is interested in something Neko asked me they can go ahead and point it out, I don't feel like arguing with scum directly any longer.
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Rai: Nukes are 48 hours :V If you try to nuke Dan it will only give more reason to destroy you since Dan is the one immune to nightkills.
Seriously?
How would you even know this? He could be fakeclaiming, I mean, if you were immune to nightkills, you don't say it out loud, you keep it to yourself so you get fail nightkilled. If you wave your hands around saying 'Hey guys I'm immune to nightkills!' the scum just ignore you.
That and he could still be mafia who stole that role.
Also: What in particular makes you so convinced I am still scum?
And I'm far from the only one thinking nukes are tomorrow :L
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No, I mean you can't instantly nuke someone because it takes 48 hours for it to reach someone.
Either he's immune to nightkills or one of the scum stole it? I know that's his role because that's what the plan said to grab. You know, the one you didn't follow because it was stupid until you claimed that of course you followed the plan? <-- related to your question at the end.
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You basically said "I want to vote Raikaria/NNR but nah" and I don't see another reason for that.
I dunno. I'd consider the fact that I actually voted Shadoweh over them to be pretty indicative of me preferring her lynch.
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Also Serela are you going to break my heart and turn out to be scum?
Because that reason for wanting to lynch Massaca sounds pretty hilarious, as other people have mentioned.
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Massaca has been prodded.
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Dammit Conq., lolz. Wanted to get right through with no prods :V
Yeah, yeah, I know long posts, yadda yadda blah.
Because we're going to get to nuke a bunch of the people we don't like tomorrow without having to decide with a majority. As far as I can see, anyone who a majority can agree needs to get lynched would probably get nuked tomorrow anyway.
Still think that this is a bad idea in general and don't like everyone going "NUKES AHOY". Helps the SK more than anyone else. Assuming silo's aren't SK'd there are potentially (from my count) 6 nukes going off tomorrow. That's bad. Especially since there'll be 8 or 9 players.
Instead, how about we lynch the failsafe that can't be nuked?
I can be nuked. Just that a nuke auto launches back. I'll still die if the person doesn't abort their nuke.
Actually getting to d4 would be nice for town, and we do NOT have the ability to take it for granted that we'll make it that far. That slot is the most likely to get passed over in favor of other lynches in the future since it could be our last town-powered lynch (and especially so with the main killing force soon, nukes, due to failsafe),
So don't nuke people then. This is going to all of you BTW. You'll get a few more days and "town controlled lynches" if you all DON'T NUKE DAMMIT.
It's actually in the SK's favor to nightkill the failsafe because an extra person will die.
Except for the fact that I'm not obligated to use my nuke.
I think with the lynch+nukes we can clean up the really scummy people d3 regardless, and then hopefully have gotten enough scum (or even the SK) that we can make D4 without being completely screwed. It's actually in the SK's favor to nightkill the failsafe because an extra person will die.
It's actually in the SK's favour for nukes to be going off everywhere.
You can make day 4 if you don't nuke everyone.
Also, you want a heap of nukes flying out and are hoping you get some scum?
Let me point this out again. 6 nuke capable players. If I survive lynch I'm almost certainly dead in the night (SK would want me dead sooner rather than later so that my nuke has less chance of hitting said SK) which is potentially 7 nukes should I decide to launch (dependent on who is lynched and what they flip). 8 or 9 players alive tomorrow.
That's great for town. So Serela, Shadoweh, Raikaria, DON"T DAMN WELL NUKE. Also Raikaria, you've outed yourself as not doc too. Well done.
failsafe is a pretty good role pick for SK because mafia don't really want to nk it if they're not positive they won't get targetted, and you won't get nuked, and if you DO die in a not-lynch manner you take another person down with you which is good for Everyone Dies win condition
Again, no. Best for SK if failsafe is on Town so once SK knows who failsafe is he can nightkill it and get his free nuke going off without having to die in the night which is less likely. SK wants Sub. Just like mafia. Then he can stealth nuke. If he's called out by the rolecop he can just nuke normally. And with the way things have been going it feels like people would relate that to being town.
But maybe I'll ignore it for now if Massaca switches to Shadoweh, The Right Choice
I'm switching to neither you nor Shadoweh yet.
And now you're both doing almost the same thing v_v
No, definitely not scum together. Serela is clearly using what Zak's overheard as happy reasons to clear himself, which he wouldn't be able to stomach as scum. Seriously he's not capable of it. If anything this makes Serela sound way too chipper which is a scumtell for him. Would still not lynch Zak, would definitely lynch Serela first.
So you'd believe town Zakeri, scum Serela then? You don't think someone who you play Mafia with all the time might change up his game once in a while to throw people off?
Doesn't that imply Serela was smart enough to fake that in advance where people thought "nah, he probably couldn't"? (IIRC)
(meta stuff, so buggered if I know)
Either he's immune to nightkills or one of the scum stole it? I know that's his role because that's what the plan said to grab. You know, the one you didn't follow because it was stupid until you claimed that of course you followed the plan? <-- related to your question at the end.
I know if I were him I wouldn't have taken Bulletproof since he's done a good job of not being an NK target anyway along with the fact that he's painted as the BulletProof which scum shouldn't care for too much.
Anyway, yes this. Still interested so I'll requote it.
On the matter of IHNN; I don't really understand what is going on for the reasons, because I don't understand the whole HW plan that seems core to the reasoning for the votes and arguments. So I fail to understand what is *so* bad about what he is saying. We're assuming people even followed any plan. I sure didn't.
Raikaria, unless it doesn't conflict with #70 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg955780.html#msg955780), you need to claim your picks / role. I don't think we're going to be able to assume anything about the setup without it.
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I am a Doc/Silo.
So you claim you didn't follow the plan but... you did?
And add:
Why would I claim if I am the Doc or not? Do you seriously think it's a good idea to out the Doc D1? I didn't even claim if I'm Offensive Silo or Defensive [I explicitly avoided saying Vig]
OK, if me and ActionDan are alive and there are nukes, I'm nuking him instanty.
Purely for curiosity, why do you suddenly feel it's an ok idea to further reduce the potential doc pool right before what might be the only night that the doc may be useful?
MOTHERF*****, I KEEP TYPING TWON EVERY F***ING TIME!
Just needed to bitch about that, it's getting annoying >_>
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Conqueror's browser needs to crash more often.
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So Serela, Shadoweh, Raikaria, DON"T DAMN WELL NUKE. Also Raikaria, you've outed yourself as not doc too. Well done.
This relates to the question of whether vigs are pro-town or not. Here's the scoop though: I am a town-controlled lynch. Mainly, I am town, and my nuke is controlled by me, so I know 100% that Town wants whoever I aim at dead. The thing you're missing out on is that every lynch is going to be followed by two non-town controlled nightkills, so not shooting someone means that I am literally letting the scum shoot more instead. Nukes are better then letting people who do not want the town to win fire.
Also I don't think the SK will kill you and instead will hope that one of the nukes suicides on you.
So you'd believe town Zakeri, scum Serela then? You don't think someone who you play Mafia with all the time might change up his game once in a while to throw people off?
Yes, that is what I said in my post. And no, I believe 100% that Serela will never change and this is why we love him.
Doesn't that imply Serela was smart enough to fake that in advance where people thought "nah, he probably couldn't"? (IIRC) (meta stuff, so buggered if I know)
Serela, maybe, but he does also have two partners that could have thought of it for him. There is the off-chance he's the SK and wanted a happy clear.
Also as Massaca pointed out to you Raikaria, you're still ignoring his very important question. It relates to why you need a nuke in the face.
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This relates to the question of whether vigs are pro-town or not. Here's the scoop though: I am a town-controlled lynch. Mainly, I am town, and my nuke is controlled by me, so I know 100% that Town wants whoever I aim at dead. The thing you're missing out on is that every lynch is going to be followed by two non-town controlled nightkills, so not shooting someone means that I am literally letting the scum shoot more instead. Nukes are better then letting people who do not want the town to win fire.
Hmm, you're right and I hadn't considered that. Can totally see that being used against me now, heh.
That many nukes still bothers me though :ohdear:
Oh, and ##Unvote
Satisfied for now.
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##Vote Serela
I don't remember HW/Masssssssasssca being in her voting options. Vote on that wagon is sus.
10/10 sheep
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
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maybe I should have just gotten prodded instead of trying to make a post this morning. I'unno, even townreading the slot doesn't mean it can't be SK, and HW is scary :C I liked parts of PX's case on HW.
Re:Me/Zak stuff, didn't I point out why Zak's clear was silly -myself-? Anyway, I had a town read on Zak -before- the weird read stuff. The only thing I thought was off was him jumping around with thinking I'm town and then voting me right away, which got explained later by that, so I went back to having the town read I already had.
Trying to think of things to say while being really sleepy and I'm cut by more votes on me, maybe I should elaborate on my thought process with voting Massaca. Like, I said before I almost voted HW after PX's case on him. It was good! (Wow, I'm sheeping PX, I didn't think that would happen. Do you remember So You Want To Be The Townest when I didn't sheep PX? :C) And I'm really, extremely bad at reading HW, because it's HW. It's almost like someone I should policy vig just because ~*~he might be scum no matter what I read~*~. It doesn't help that there's an sk. Wouldn't an sk read just like a townie?! Oh god how do you even hunt that stuff.
I want to lynch Massaca because Oh God HW and because if we don't now I think it's going to be too "we have to lynch this person I really really think is scum, not the weird-but-kind-of-town-guy!" except the former is going to be someone I don't really think is scum and then I'll cry because I don't want to nuke the failsafe and die a horrible nuclear death.
Also, Massaca, we're nuking the shit out of stuff tomorrow without doubt `-` If we really have 6 town nukes that's fabulous, because not having d4 is okay if it's just because we nuked ALMOST EVERYONE.
Also, sub is confirmed to be on scum or SK since I don't have it and it was my first choice, according to my understanding of the rules and assumption that town followed the plan, which so far seems pretty true. Just to put that out there, so there is indeed a third non-town controlled kill and there's no reason it's not going to get used.
As far as numbers go, if there are no doc protects or crosskills and the sk isn't dead by n3, EVEN IF NO TOWNIES NUKE, there will only be 4 people alive d4 (At least 2 will probably not be town, too). Better to nuke the hell out of the game d3 unless the amount of non-town killing roles goes down first.
Oh right, people I want to lynch who aren't Hw's slot. Dan doesn't even exist anymore... again, so not really interested and he'll probably just get nuked tomorrow if he isn't modkilled. I guess I wouldn't be -that- disappointed if PX was lynched. Rawr is a pile of useless (Like seriously, holy shit, on D2 he just kind of justified an eh raikaria vote and made tiny blips later to not get prodded, not to mention existing even -less- d1) and now that I think about it he's totally cool to get lynched the heck out of. And uh, everyone else looks like not-scum. Maybe Shadoweh? Maybe. If there -still- was another scum after all that I'd say Raikaria, but he's done a lot of stuff that looks town too.
Hell if I know who the sk is if it isn't any of those people.
Anyway, while I'd rather lynch Massaca then anyone else today, I have a feeling `-` that he isn't `-` going to be lynched `------`
So
##unvote
##vote rawr
like, if you actually pay any attention to rawr (who is incredibly forgettable this game) it should be obvious why he looks horribly lurk-scum
Rawr does superlurker!scum a LOT when he rolls scum, for that matter, as far as I can remember >_>
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I forgot to put nnr in my list of people except I've still been to lazy to actually read him
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I guess at this point I may as well just wait for nnr to get nuked so I don't have to worry about it :getdown:
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If we really have 6 town nukes that's fabulous, because not having d4 is okay if it's just because we nuked ALMOST EVERYONE.
Why do you think they're all town?
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A couple townies reported stolen roles, including my own, and BT got roleblocked. RB/Sub accounts for 2 of the 4 non-town members and then shadoweh didn't get cop supposedly and I vaguely remember the tracker not getting their role or something.
Non-town likely only have sub in terms of killing roles. Even if they had one more, it doesn't matter much. It is completely justified to nuke the shit out of stuff d3, so. Not much point in rolespec.
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Eh, Serela's fine. Can we just like, lynch Rawr?
##Unvote
##Vote: Rawr
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See, this is a reasonable course of action. I can see no reason not to lynch rawr.
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So now we want to lynch one of the two remaining "assumed" docs?
PX, why would you want that to happen?
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Because Rawr is scummy as hell?
That's more important then "oh god he might be a doc!"
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I wonder if this is the scumteam's rock
http://imgur.com/7MYXE
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http://imageshack.us/a/img12/2419/61563608.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img838/6038/12446371.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img802/753/36648737.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img717/581/44963745.jpg
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Selery getting all panicky and trying to consolidate on Rawr makes me want to vote for him. Selery why must you test me so?
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But dude look at Rawr I mean come on :C
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Which is exactly why I'm hesitant.
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Serela, I asked you who you think is scum. *crosses arms* Why do you think Rawr is scum? I don't mean 'because he is lurky', I mean what is making you think he's scum besides that he's being Rawr. What do you see in him, in his posts, that is concrete scum suspicion?
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I was talking about Swordgirls recently to my hydra head (If you have any dislike of hydras don't worry he's not really even serving as a board I can bounce thoughts off, the hydra qt is going to be very small postgame) and oh god don't make me relive the trauma of watching everyone NOT LYNCH KAORI
(I was mostly just showing him the Tenshi suicide post, it was the best)
Shadoweh:Superlurking.
He sat down on Raikaria at d2 start, and while it was okay at first, he hasn't done a thing since but dodge prods. He didn't do a thing d1, either.
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SERELA THE CANDYMAN IS COMING AND HE'S GOT A TREAT FOR YOU IT'S A LYNCH A LYNCH IN YOUR FACE NOW TELL ME THAT YOU'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT WHO THE SCUM ARE! You made like seven paragraphs and only one of them is relevant to what people want from you.
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I HAVEN'T BEEN THINKING VERY HARD I SWEAR
I'M TOO BUSY DROOLING AT ALL THE DEATHS THAT ARE ABOUT TO HAPPEN BETWEEN THIS DAY ENDING AND MID DAY 3
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It's very easy to want the lowest effort lynch when everyone is gonna toss nukes at who they think is scum tomorrow
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Did you just accuse me of superlurking? I will cut you. There's going to be one less nuke if you can't produce.
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I'm against a PX lynch, I personally don't see how he's scummy, aside from his weird hammer comment. Yeah he hasn't been doing much, but that's typical PX. His HW case has been all but ignored, brushed to the wayside as "a ragepost", especially now that people have a reason to ignore it with HW flipping out and replacing.
Massaca as a replacement is town, BT. I just find it hard to believe people can drop HW as a slot so easily. Maybe I'll just take a page from that one MS game was in and ignore the HW part of the slot.
Starting to get ticked off at Shadoweh for ignoring me. Wish people would backlash at her pointlessly anti-town actions but apparently I'm the only one around here with any guts, since we're all just going full-on lemmings into Typical Easy MotK Priority Lynch Choices PX and Serela, and Rawr.
People are still ignoring Dan, who has near-zero content over the equally useless Rawr, which I don't understand. Where is this game even going any more?
EDIT: Apparently in the 10 minutes I've been typing this there's 8 new replies, but that, I'll read it later.
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Did you just accuse me of superlurking? I will cut you. There's going to be one less nuke if you can't produce.
I meant why I suspected rawr D:
People are still ignoring Dan, who has near-zero content
Dan is slated for getting Mod-actioned at due to not existing. He's beyond where the players need to worry about him at this point, honestly.
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Considering I went out of my way not to lynch Serela yesterday I would hope you don't think I changed my mind because he's easy. I'm not interested in lyncing PX either, and Rawr would be an okay nuke but he's not notable for today.
And no one is going to backlash against me because that's how I roll. Ask Dormio nicely to nuke me tomorrow, he's already primed.
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I meant why I suspected rawr D:
Dan is slated for getting Mod-actioned at due to not existing. He's beyond where the players need to worry about him at this point, honestly.
He posted right after that prod, you know
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I sure am forgetful, welp.
I'm more confident rawr would flip scum then Dan, but either way, I'm preeeetty sure either of them who live to tomorrow will get nuked by -somebody-.
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Serela it does not matter if they are nuke targets WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE SCUM
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Oh my god how many times do I have to explain why I think rawr is scum in a row
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Worth mentioning, it's likely I won't be around for the last hour of the deadline. Anywhere within that hour is when I'd normally be leaving work. Lynch time is at 15:20, normally leave between 14-15:00 but I won't know until I'm walking out the door so *shrug*
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Idk, I'd rather lynch Rawr for noncontent and save nukes. As for pot. doc arguments, just being doctor doesn't make you town. And BT dying tonight doesn't condone as scum either considering there's a RBer and 2 NKs.
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holy shit, you're in a hydra? ...Serela you're in a hydra and somehow it's not full of your rambling? What does your other head think of what's going on?
Why did it suddenly become not okay only when you were on the spot, Serela? Did you have a suspicion of Rawr before that? What in his original Raikaria vote was good? He's posted a few times after, what was bad about them?
Hey I just noticed Neko is in a hydra too. Neko is Dorian the one telling you that I'm a weirdo?
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My hydra head can basically be considered as nonexistent, for the purposes of us actually playing the game.
It became not okay when I was on the spot because I remembered rawr exists, something that I had forgotten. And because on d1 lurking is one thing, and on d2 it's another.
His original Raikaria vote he was at least doing something, in all his other posts after he makes easy idle comments that seriously don't mean crap, and provide very little in the way of opinions.
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Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount Please Don't Make Me Prod You Baby
Serela (3): BT, ActionDan, Shadoweh
Raikaria (1): rawr
Shadoweh (2): Dormio, NekoNekoRex
rawr (2): Serela, PX
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria
Not Voting (1): Massaca
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 22.5 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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Hey I just noticed Neko is in a hydra too. Neko is Dorian the one telling you that I'm a weirdo?
Dorian's offered me advice but the scumreads are my views. He's given some analysis on HW but that's about it for directly looking at people.
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As for pot. doc arguments, just being doctor doesn't make you town.
I know. What I was getting at is that the Doc is supposed to be between you and Rawr now, if I'm not mistaken. I figure if you were the town doc you wouldn't want rawr gone just yet since you'd be the last one assuming scum doesn't have it. So you're a silo or you stole another role then?
Still expecting Serela to come up as Sub. I also think a townie stole Cop. But eh, can't know until nukes start launching ey?
[/randomthinkings]
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FOR THE SWARM!
Anyway.
Let's see here.
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Questions for Selery:
- What do you think about ActionDan right now?
- What do you have to say about claiming to have always been against Rawr, but never having voted him until now?
- Why do you hurt me so?
- Why won't you surrender your will to the swarm?
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Also Raikaria ignoring the question about the discrepancy in regards to how he handled HW's plan is certainly a thing.
I suggest if we are moving to consolidation, we do one of two things:
1: Lynch PX, several people have already shown agreement with this.
2: Lynch ActionDan. Seriously. He needs to go by now, and ity's better than a consolidation on lynch on someone actually playing he game.
And how the fuck does he get away with posting shit like this anyway?
In fact, I've changed my mind, I think that this is probably the best lynch for today.
Will post why shortly.
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Oh and also.
##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
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So let's start from the top.
First things first, there's Raikaria's huge overreaction to HW's random vote on him.
It's like, seriously, paranoid much? As I've said before, I think that this paranoia is very telling of a scum mindset.
And then you have the fact that a whole bunch of his attacks and defences seem to be comprised of OMGUS.
The attack on Shadoweh "blackmailing" is stupid and it feels like an in-genuine attempt to OMGUS Swadomeh.
Raikaria supposedly giving up on getting Swadomeh D1 because of no popularity is whatever, but the lack of any follow up is very striking to me.
Like, seriously, Raikaria basically just completely forgot that he was trying to get Swadomeh lynched a while back when he had no reason to.
I guess he just felt like dropping a case he tried to take but was too difficult for him?
Maybe because he never believed in the case in the first place?
And then we have Raikaria's quip about how we should just consolidate on PX or Rawr, not any of the people that he thinks are scum.
It's like, the fuck? I mean woop woop let's lynch one of the lurkers instead of someone I thought was super scummy like ActionDan or Serela or Shadoweh or HW.
I dunno.
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Oh yeah, and the fact that Raikaria continues to ignore every mention of his inconsistent statements regarding HW's plan where he says that he has or has not followed it depending on what's happened through the day.
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Whatever.
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Day 2, DEFCON 2
It's Not Like I'm Doing This Votecount For You Because You Asked, Baka
Serela (3): BT, ActionDan, Shadoweh
Raikaria (2): rawr, Dormio
Shadoweh (1): NekoNekoRex
rawr (2): Serela, PX
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria
Not Voting (1): Massaca
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 18.5 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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And then we have Raikaria's quip about how we should just consolidate on PX or Rawr, not any of the people that he thinks are scum.
Except I have said every time I give my scumreads that PX is scum, and Rawr is scum.
Every. Time.
Please don't make things up.
Oh yeah, and the fact that Raikaria continues to ignore every mention of his inconsistent statements regarding HW's plan where he says that he has or has not followed it depending on what's happened through the day.
I did not follow the plan, but likewise, what I did fits into it anyway. Nowhere have I outright said I intentionally followed any plan.
And then you have the fact that a whole bunch of his attacks and defences seem to be comprised of OMGUS.
The attack on Shadoweh "blackmailing" is stupid and it feels like an in-genuine attempt to OMGUS Swadomeh.
The primary reason I attacked Shadoweh was defending ActionDan, who had done a grand total of 0 town actions that whole day, and he was throwing BS, false accusations at me at the same time.
The blackmailing is because I wasn't aware that was how Town!Shadoweh plays. I've only seen Scum!Shadoweh.
Kinda like what you're doing now, honestly. Except I have a townread on you.
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Questions for Selery:
- What do you think about ActionDan right now?
- What do you have to say about claiming to have always been against Rawr, but never having voted him until now?
- Why do you hurt me so?
- Why won't you surrender your will to the swarm?
- Oh my god so lurk let's just nuke him tomorrow because vigging is what you always SAY you do with this kind of stuff isn't it, except usually you don't have a vig for it
- I've always said he was useless, except that on D1 you don't normally lynch the person who doesn't exist (useless for wagon analysis and a total crapshoot and maybe they were just busy for a day or two), on D2 if they keep doing jack all it's a different story. He started out d2 improving, but only for a very short time before stopping
- Because I enjoy your pain
- I'm too hipster to conform
Buh I don't like work shifts earlier then noon, I don't have time to do anything before having to work all day
While Raikaria is one of my weakest townreads IMO there's more scummy people to lynch. Deadline is in like 13.5 hours and I'll be back in like 8, so I'll be around for awhile before then
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11 hours till deadline. No majority = no lynch.
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Reading in a bit.
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well if px post about doc didnt imply it enough, im claiming doc.
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im actually kinda shocked all the people on the vig/doc list claimed/implied heavily
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Except I have said every time I give my scumreads that PX is scum, and Rawr is scum.
And what about every other supposed scumread you had?
I did not follow the plan, but likewise, what I did fits into it anyway. Nowhere have I outright said I intentionally followed any plan.
"I didn't follow the plan except I did." :derp:
The primary reason I attacked Shadoweh was defending ActionDan, who had done a grand total of 0 town actions that whole day, and he was throwing BS, false accusations at me at the same time.
The blackmailing is because I wasn't aware that was how Town!Shadoweh plays. I've only seen Scum!Shadoweh.
And what happened to these thoughts about Swadomeh?
How come you basically completely forgot about her?
Kinda like what you're doing now, honestly. Except I have a townread on you.
ㅇㅅㅇ
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Eh, yeah, I think the anticipated nuclear shitstorm tomorrow is why this day is so dead.
I think it's best we lynch someone who oh I don't know hasn't lurked the fuck out of the game today, so we get more information to nuke off of tomorrow.
PX do you not want to lynch Serela anymore or what?
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7 hours.
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Dormio why is Raikaria's overreaction scummy? I guess I'm more likely to view the blackmail thing as "lol scum fluff" but the quicklynch fiasco... not so much. Acccctttttuuuuaaally...
The blackmailing is because I wasn't aware that was how Town!Shadoweh plays. I've only seen Scum!Shadoweh.
You know, I only did say that this is how Shadoweh plays. Remind me what made you flip your read eventually?
I also don't get your semantics thing with following the plan / not following the plan. You DID follow the plan.
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we have let's say 3 roles known to be missing. rawr claimed doc. what is the chance last scum got doc out of the what was it 5 people vying for it.
rawr's town anyway.
midterms are fun. especially the 24 hour ones
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Deadline is in 6.5 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
Prodding Zakeri.
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Was hoping to get to say this before Rawr chimed in but yeah, I have no intention of voting Rawr. One of you can nuke him tomorrow if you want him gone. Don't think he'd get NK'd.
Would vote Serela, curious to see where the Raikaria deal goes.
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@ Raikaria: What was your first pick?
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SHADOWEH IS AWAKE!
I am so glad we got the doc to claim. Now let's lynch either Serela or Raikaria. If enough people (hint if you're on Rawr GET OFF) move to Raikaria I am still up for MAGICAL HAMMER!
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Dormio why is Raikaria's overreaction scummy?
Because there was no way that lynch was going through, yet Raikaria was so very worried about it.
I think that worrying so much about a lynch like that is caused by being scum and therefore making it your goal to survive rather than lynching people that you think are scum.
I dunno how to explain it, but basically I think that Raikaria was focussed way too much on his own survival which implies a scum mindset.
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Also, not sure if I'll be around at deadline because I have 7 hours of classes and a 1 hour trip to and from uni soon.
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I obviously know why overreactions to votes are scummy but I was talking about Raikaria's case as, you know, a separate case. Though I'm honestly not sure how much I can chalk up this sort of thing to newbdom anymore considering he's... not new anymore. Ugh.
I still prefer Sereluh and I won't be around later for minutes-to-deadline vote hopping.
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Rawr claiming doc means there isn't a good reason to lynch him now over nuking him tommorow
##unvote
...uh, maybe I should finally get around to rereading NNR `-`
I'd really rather not be around until deadline because I have work early tomorrow, but I can be if needed.
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So now we want to lynch one of the two remaining "assumed" docs?
PX, why would you want that to happen?
Because Rawr is scummy as hell?
That's more important then "oh god he might be a doc!"
Rawr claiming doc means there isn't a good reason to lynch him now over nuking him tommorow
##unvote
i don't really see why him claiming doc changes you "he's scummy as hell" vote.
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it's because we can just kill him tomorrow with our nukes anyway
Besides, another big thing about him claiming doc is there's no way enough people will vote him to get him lynched. Deadline is in several hours. A vote on someone that isn't gonna get lynched is useless.
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Fair enough. Just figured if you thought he was definitely scum you'd keep pushing against him for the whole scum > potentially not scum thing. But yeah, I see your point.
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Out of PX and Raikaria (looking at Not-Me wagons) tbh I think they're both town so it's hard for me to want to vote either of them
##Vote NekoNekoRex
Gonna try to reread him soon (clock is ticking obv., but I want to eat dinner) so that I can actually give a reason someone might want to vote him `-` Although I'll certainly switch to PX or Raikaria if needed since I like not being dead
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You know, I only did say that this is how Shadoweh plays. Remind me what made you flip your read eventually?
I also don't get your semantics thing with following the plan / not following the plan. You DID follow the plan.
My read isn't flipped. Shadoweh's recent general posting has made Shadoweh more town, and I have at least 3 people I would rather see lynched over Shadoweh. Which is why I'm not pushing. I'd much, much, much, rather see PX, ActionDan, or DrRawr lynched.
Just because I've stopped ranting about Shadoweh doesn't mean I've forgotten it, it means I have bigger fish to fry.
Yes, I followed it. I didn't intend to, but I followed it.
Though I'm honestly not sure how much I can chalk up this sort of thing to newbdom anymore considering he's... not new anymore. Ugh.
Chalk it up to being rusty and not playing in months. I've calmed down now.
However, on the topic of Shadoweh:
I am so glad we got the doc to claim.
That is not a good reaction. So, why did you want Doc to out? Knowing who Doc is could only help the scum, as they can kill the doc. Shadoweh slides back down my 'Townie' list.
Anyway, of the people with votes, my lynching preferences are:
PX > Shadoweh [Due to the Doc comment] > Rawr > Serela/NNR > Me
@ Raikaria: What was your first pick?
First pick of what? Who to lynch? Role?
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I'm trying to reread but being confused by, uh
NNR claimed treason and I look at HW's plan and what role was he even supposed to choose? His slot in the list is empty and I didn't see him mentioned in any addendums
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This is a serious question and I would like the answer ASAP so I can continue my reread with a clear head instead of being hung up on this because I'm weird
continuing to read the first few pages to try to figure it out but
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as far as I can tell he was supposed to be the roleblocker
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NNR claimed treason and I look at HW's plan and what role was he even supposed to choose? His slot in the list is empty and I didn't see him mentioned in any addendums
list
-cut- yeah.
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Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount YOLO
Serela (3): BT, ActionDan, Shadoweh
NekoNekoRex (1): Serela
Raikaria (2): rawr, Dormio
Shadoweh (1): NekoNekoRex
rawr (1): PX
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria
Not Voting (1): Massaca
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 3.5 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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First pick of what? Who to lynch? Role?
Oh right, sorry, roles. But it doesn't matter now because you answered that.
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Raikaria, have you considered your problem with me is that you're reading my posts as 100% serious, even when I say things like WOW THE DOC CLAIMING IS AWESOME GOOD JOB GUYS!
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Massaca buddy, you need to vote again. We're down to the wire, pick a side so people know where you stand.
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Day 2, DEFCON 2 - Game Event
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Наш Coветский Союз покоряет весь мир
Как огромный медведь на Востоке.
Все кто с нами - сильны
Все кто против, держись
Чтоб нам всем не пришлось потрудится.
LYLO & Papa...
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Was waiting cause I'm definitely still here and watching. Anyway:
##Vote: Serela
Do you guys think the doc will or would have matter(ed) on night 4?
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Me/Shadoweh/Dormio/NNR claimed treason. Scum -does- have the roleblocker, probably the tracker too, and the cop assuming Shadoweh didn't gimmick!lie, and then sub on sk??? SK doesn't want any of those other roles I think, and Dormio is town so. Shouldn't be any extra nukes apart from sub because scum have roleblocker and the other 3 people who called treason I think are town which means all the roles must really be stolen and not liar scum nukes.
NNR is partially scum to me just from process of elimination.
Gee I sure am wasting a lot of time not rereading NNR and trying to puzzle role stuff that really probably doesn't matter a lot!
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Wow all these psuedowagons are pretty awful and I'm tempted to not participate in any of them unless it's to ensure a lynch.
NNR is partially scum to me just from process of elimination.
This makes me frown though. Where is the math?
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Yes I was supposed to get Roleblocker for godknowswhy since it's the dumbest role in this setup. Apparently that makes me scum just for being forced to choose it and not getting it?
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Where did my "Not terrible" read on Serela go anyway? Did it die when IHNN got lynched? Where is the scumhunting from Serela? Why do his votes look so lazy (lol that Rawr vote)? Why would he neglect to read me the whole game and then go "oh so I guess NNR is scum by PoE ##VOTE"? It's D2, you shouldn't be PoEing anyone at this point.
Why is this game so bad?
Yeah, I take back what I said, I'll more eagerly get behind a Serela lynch for deadline. Shadoweh hopefully die painfully tomorrow anyway.
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
I'm not going to support any other wagons unless Shadoweh gets a miracle votepile.
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NNR:There are 4 people I don't have town reads on. ActionDan, Rawr, You, and Massaca. Even then I think Massaca is more likely to be an SK then scum, and I'm questioning my rawr read now that he's claimed Doc due to how I puzzled out the role stuff, although I wouldn't rely on that as a reason he shouldn't get killed at some point because ~*~roleshens are silly~*~.
NNR called treason so scum can use roleblocker without being called out for it. (Unrelated, but Shadoweh would probably just say she's cop if she was scum >_> She'd be able to get away with murder since not dying at night would be explained by doc and being cop in the first place wouldn't be suspicious)
Complaining about being vanilla d1 despite being a vig which is a preeeetty powerful role in itself, which is weird (especially considering the alternative was him being a roleblocker, which is a questionable town pr, and he calls it useless to town in the same post)
I still think you're scum though, you've been bending a lot of your reads to fit the best-fitting perspective since the game started. Going from "Dan is SK" to "I thought about it and he's actually scum" is fishy. And that's only one example of you doing that.
HW case is what???
Reaction to HW saying he's cop is really weird
If you want to lynch PX so badly name a reason he's scummy?
Yes, HW turned out to be lying, but while this completely ridiculous gambit was still playing out how is "because I am a cop and got a guilty on him" not a good reason? I mean, sure, if you think HW's scum (NNR did) that means you distrust the weird cop claim from nowhere that makes no sense, but I can't understand -this- kind of reaction to it at all. It's like "Okay you're blatantly lying and you're scum and I'm voting you, but now try to convince me why your target is scum" which doesn't even make sense from a cautious town mindset because cop?
Not saying he should have followed the crazy cop, I just mean that if it's so obviously a lie to him and HW is scum then this reaction is really weird IMO
I also dislike NNR's d2 vote after HW, Shadoweh (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14453.msg958392.html#msg958392)
later
I caught that quote too when I reread just now, and Shadoweh's response sounds like he knows more then he should.
Shadoweh sounds like she knows more then she should by thinking Massaca would be a likely NK? It's a silly statement, but this kind of opinion seems really reaching.
Hey Massaca I know that you're enjoying your Public Relations campaign but who do you think is scum? Where is your vote?
Personally I'm still a bit suspicious of you, considering your reads are a total 180 from HW's line of thinking, but I still want to see where the priorities lie.
"HW was super scummy! But I'm only a -little- suspicious of you, even though I think you're questionable yourself because you have different reads then HW." I think everything is wrong with the stuff I pointed out in my loose interpretation. :C
OKAY THERE WE GO I'M HUNGRY I WANT DINNER.
People please weigh in opinions because we only have a few hours left and no one is even at half the required votes to be lynched.
cut by that changing but still
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Posting in the middle of class so screw you if I've got some stuff wrong but I'm going completely off memory here though that's what I do most of the time anyway so I don't really know if there will be a big difference but I guess the main difference will be that I'm making this long run on sentence and I don't really know what I was trying to say here anymore so whatever let's just post what I was going to in the first place okay?
Anyway.
NNR: What do you think of Raikaria anyway.
Pretty sure you said a while ago that you would read him but I don't think you ever did.
In addition, you've flopped pretty hard on him during D1 so yeah.
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Raikaria, have you considered your problem with me is that you're reading my posts as 100% serious, even when I say things like WOW THE DOC CLAIMING IS AWESOME GOOD JOB GUYS!
Well maybe you shouldn't say stuff that can give the wrong impression?
I find Serela's post on NNR interesting, however, I want to see NNR's response before I come to any conclusions. Better to see both sides of the coin.
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l2sarcasm.
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Hum. I'm starting to feel less confident, but I don't see Raikaria or NNR hitting the required votes still. Sereley is currently at L-1 though. NNR is hoping I die painfully tomorrow, jokes on him because I'm still nuking him first. :)
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Shadoweh there is two and a half hours left you should totally vote NNR with me.
Or alternatively we can -both- go vote Raikaria and then Raikaria will be L-2! D:
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Raikaria at l-2 with 2 and a half hours left is completely realistic. :c
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Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount Forgot To Add The Header
Serela (5): BT, ActionDan, Shadoweh, Massaca, NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1): Serela
Raikaria (2): rawr, Dormio
rawr (1): PX
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria
Not Voting: No one
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 2.25 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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NNR: What do you think of Raikaria anyway.
Pretty sure you said a while ago that you would read him but I don't think you ever did.
In addition, you've flopped pretty hard on him during D1 so yeah.
I thought I made it clear I thought Raikaria was very high on my town reads but I guess I didn't after all?
Raikaria is town and I'm going to be super annoyed if Raikaria or PX get lynched.
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I'm about to pastebin my entire thoughts qt as a dumb stunt
I have permission to do this
INCOMING
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You know in a game where you can listen in on the scum qt pasting from QT's should be illegal. <_<
You first Sereley.
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but now try to convince me why your target is scum" which doesn't even make sense from a cautious town mindset because cop?
It's because HW's pushing was so patently ridiculous. First he pushes PX for no reason, then he blithely ignores PX's posts against him, then he makes that stupid gambit. It all adds up to brain pain, which is why I've been holding the HW read over Massaca for so long, HW is just so bad
It's even worse because he did the same thing on me. He held a scum read over my head but when I decided to retaliate HW goes apeshit on me and throws down a vote. It's just so pointlessly reactionary and over-the-top. Why wouldn't I make a point of it?
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so this is probably a silly idea but I figured people might think it'd be hard to fake or something I wouldn't bother doing as scum or whatever
http://pastebin.com/dsu4aGqy
doesn't hurt, anyway
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"HW was super scummy! But I'm only a -little- suspicious of you, even though I think you're questionable yourself because you have different reads then HW." I think everything is wrong with the stuff I pointed out in my loose interpretation. :C
Okay, somebody tell me what I'm supposed to think here. Is keeping the scumread from HW's side of the slot the right thing to do or should I throw it out for Massaca's play? Apparently I'm getting criticism doing either and it's stupid that having anything to do with the Failsafe Slot is apparent scuicide.
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If your scumread is powerful (which is apparently was), it shouldn't be insignificant enough to suddenly vanish because the replacement made a post that looks nice. -especially- since you even said the replacement himself has reasons he looks bad. Not only that, but I think Massaca having different reads then HW is a completely irrelevant reason to think him suspicious.
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Not that I already point it out, but:
Fuck HW, I'm invoking Micro Madness II meta and disregarding the Om of the Nom of this game (Spoilers: It's Huh What) and only taking the posts of The Shadoweh (Spoilers again: It's Massaca) into consideration.
Somehow that will make logical sense since it worked in that game and it will work here.
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* Dormio spits drink all over Serela.
What the fuck is that paste supposed to do? Make me vote you?
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My read isn't flipped. Shadoweh's recent general posting has made Shadoweh more town, and I have at least 3 people I would rather see lynched over Shadoweh. Which is why I'm not pushing. I'd much, much, much, rather see PX, ActionDan, or DrRawr lynched.
/sarcasm
PX > Shadoweh [Due to the Doc comment] > Rawr > Serela/NNR > Me
##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
Also, does it really matter if cop is claimed? I mean, for one, confirmation of role =/= confirmation of alignment, ESPECIALLY since in this game everyone chose their role. Second, there's a roleblocker. Shit doesn't matter. Third, lynch Rawr.
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Okay, maybe it -would- hurt to post it >_>
/me drips and sniffles
Also, not me over me. Shadoweh, with PX we now have Raikaria at L-1 if you switch votes.
##unvote ##Vote Raikaria
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Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount Dennis Rodman
Serela (5): BT, ActionDan, Shadoweh, Massaca, NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (4): rawr, Dormio, PX, Serela
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria
Not Voting: No one
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 1 hour and 45 minutes (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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Anyway shadoweh is scum and he's not even trying to hide it, just look at how he totally ignores everything in the thread and nobody votes hm because the ez lynches are too busy derping the game up to hell.
All his posts are literally "this player s dumb CAN'T WAIT TO USE THOSE NUKES! EMOTICON"
I don't even care how broad and terrible this post is because it's truth
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have fun nuking shadoweh tomorrow then nnr
isn't it fun to be a vig!?
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Anyway shadoweh is scum and he's not even trying to hide it, just look at how he totally ignores everything in the thread and nobody votes hm because the ez lynches are too busy derping the game up to hell.
All his posts are literally "this player s dumb CAN'T WAIT TO USE THOSE NUKES! EMOTICON"
I don't even care how broad and terrible this post is because it's truth
And you don't want to lynch Rawr because we can nuke him tomorrow. Your point?
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Or if not you, then other people. Idc enough to be bothered to look.
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Shadoweh get in here you said you didn't want to vote Raikaria because you didn't think we could get the votes. But now, he'd be the leading wagon and L-1 >:T
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Wow, I didn't expect it to happen. I'm looking at your uh, quicktopic right now. I'm here though. Also NNR and I will be engaging in Nuclear suicide together? SWEET.
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##Unvote
Raikaria, why aren't you voting for Serela?
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I ALSO CAN'T WAIT FOR ALL THOSE NUKES TOMORROW :D :( :o :flowerpower:
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Raikaria probably hasn't done that for not having paid attention to the thread since he became a serious wagon possibility.
Also because I was at L-1 and it would have been hammering me >_>
Normally I'd wait for him to say stuff himself, but the clock is ticking and if he takes an hour to respond then oh my god.
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##Vote: Raikaria
He's probably going to respond Serela, geez, don't get your panties in a twist
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##Vote Raikaria
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I squealed and then I realized PX was already voting Raikaria.
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ㅇㅅㅇ
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ez lynches are too busy derping the game up to hell.
Question, out of curiosity, who do you consider to be the easy lynches.
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Lack of activity.
Will hammer if within 10 minutes of deadline since apparently lynch > no lynch irregardless. Exactly 1 hour left.
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Lack of activity.
And yet there are still 5 people viewing this topic. :derp:
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5 Members and Raikaria, BT, Zakeri and Rawr are offline.
edit, and 1 guest now.
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Fun fact is that you can hide your online status. Like mine.
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Well the offline/online thing is unreliable since some people hide theirs so that they always appear offline.
But where did NNR go? ㅡㅡ;
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wat's VC.
how many on serela how many on rakaria
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Also fuck your cut PX.
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Serela L-2.
Raikaria L-1.
Also PX, while we're here, why Raikaria over Serela for you?
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Oh right, that completely slipped my mind, lolz.
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Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount Etc
Serela (4): BT, ActionDan, Massaca, NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (5): rawr, Dormio, Serela, Shadoweh, PX
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria
Not Voting: No one
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 45 minutes (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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He's holding his entire scumread to me based on a single point that makes little sense, especially since it involves someone flipping Town. And he's being absolutely silly with Shadoweh.
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He's like desperately holding on to this read, and nothing else at all.
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Make that point, not read
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Shadoweh were you on Serela for deadline lynch go go go reasons?
anyway. that pastebin is like., teehee I feel dirty, but I'm really clean teehee. Just reenforces my predilection for serela lynch. Although I'm not spilling tears over Raikaria "nuke dan in face" either.
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Dan sux.
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...What? Raikaria was at L-1 when PX voted, I thought this day was over <_<
No Dan, I was on him for being a giggling scumbag reasons. I have changed my mind again somehow.
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..Oh. PX tricked me. You bastard! Well, i think it's interesting that there's nothing from Rairai after that.
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Swadomeh revealed knowing that PX doublevotes. Recommend powerlynch.
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Day 2, DEFCON 2
Votecount Top of the Page
Serela (4): BT, ActionDan, Massaca, NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (5): rawr, Dormio, Serela, Shadoweh, PX
PX (2): Zakeri, Raikaria
Not Voting: No one
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline is in 35 minutes (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130325T0015&p0=251).
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Well, it comes a time where every man must man up and do what they think is best for town.
Out of me and Serela, I think the latter is more useful. So I shall selfhammer.
But bear in mind my flip, and who pushed my wagon. Shadoweh is probobly scum, and the buddies are probobly PX and Dan/Rawr.
##Hammer Raikaria
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Recommend powerlynch.
##Unvote
##Vote:Shadoweh
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That's not what I expec-MASSACAAAAAA
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##Unvote: PX
##Vote: Raikaria
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>Self hammer
:derp:
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##Unvote
##Vote:Shadoweh
ilu
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:blush:
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Also welcome back Zakeri. Why aren't you lurking for a week so that you can get ITP victory?
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Also welcome back Zakeri. Why aren't you lurking for a week so that you can get ITP victory?
Because Conq modkills people who don't post for 48 hours?
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What a boring response.
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wasn't sure if that counted, though.
Tomorrow is going to be hell for me, if I survive.
Not an Edit: Who said I haven't been lurking for a week? It's just that this time it's only one day phase.
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Just saying, note 3 of the 5 people that are not me voting me are all people I have expressed scumreads on. Serela is 'oh god don't lynch me' and Dormio, well, I think Dormio is town.
Look at my lynch list and find the scum.
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Not an Edit: Who said I haven't been lurking for a week? It's just that this time it's only one day phase.
>Only slightly more than 1 day between posts.
WHO ARE YOU AND WHERE IS THE REAL ZAKERI?
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Day 2, DEFCON 2
Day 2 Final Votecount
Serela (4): BT, ActionDan, Massaca, NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (6): rawr, Dormio, Serela, Shadoweh, PX, Raikaria - LYNCH!
PX (1): Zakeri
Not Voting: No one
With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Raikaria (American, Missile Silo) was lynched Day 2.
It is now Night 2. You have 24 hours to submit actions. All players alive in the game should send me an activity check pm overnight even if they have no night actions.
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New thread here: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14523.0.html
Don't post in this one. Thread kept unlocked for convenience.