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##Vote: Hourai >:<I considered doing that.
I think we should lynch her.You seem biased, considering you got IP then immediate turned around and challenged everyone.
Facade?
I am stating my intentions clearly. I wish for you to die.
=.= ##UnvoteSerious vote or not?
##Vote: Dormio
Killing intent behind facade of derp detected. I can feel the evil in you, RELEASE THE DEMONS DORMIO.
The Great and Powerful Trixie requires her beauty sleep. What is so important that it can't wait until morning?!ooh, an early OMGUS. Fish in a barrel and me with my shotgun~
##Vote: GreyICE
Er why trixie or ran?oh Trixie is just so very fake and that OMGUS was lame.
Also, why point out the fact that Trixie(PX) used OMGUS, but not Shadoweh when Shadoweh did the same?Because only PX used the term?
And why are you justifying the actions of someone that you're voting for?I'm not justifying, I'm trying to understand the motives behind it.
The odds both PX and Dormio rolled scum 2 games in a row are pretty slim.One of these days I'm going to host and purposefully rig the RNG to make the scum team the exact same as the scum team from the previous game.
You wanna die, punk?I'd have you lynched for saying one wrong thing in one wrong place. And I'm right to do it.
What makes you believe that, at this point, Shadoweh is town?
Are you saying that you would have me lynched for naught but "gut"?
If you flip heads 8 times in a row, your odds of getting heads on the next flip are?6/7
If you flip heads 8 times in a row, your odds of getting heads on the next flip are?100% if it's a coin with heads on both sides.
If you flip heads 8 times in a row, your odds of getting heads on the next flip are?1/3. It could land on its edge.
That was a pretty crazy and overreactive attempt to discredit to somebody not even voting you. Seems like you're attacking him while not actually voting him because you're scared.Agreeing.
That was a pretty crazy and overreactive attempt to discredit to somebody not even voting you. Seems like you're attacking him while not actually voting him because you're scared.I'm assuming that this refers to myself in regards to GreyICE, in which case, I must protest.
I'd have you lynched for saying one wrong thing in one wrong place. And I'm right to do it.So what you're saying is that you have a gut read that I'm scum, and would therefore use a single mistake to have my lynched. Right?
Part of it is you're pushing this shadoweh business in a very stop and go manner. #29 you remove pressure, now you're trying to act like this is 100% serious.It was never serious. Shadoweh is where I keep my vote whenever I'm trying to determine who's scummy.
Plus you got a WONDERFUL "why her" on my other scum read which is just amazing.I think that it's rather wonderful that you never bothered to answer me too.
Can we do this? YES WE CANDamn extremists.
I'm all for three scum across three bandwagons. Also, OMGUS.
##Vote: Shadoweh
So much dormio hate going on here...
##Vote Shadoweh
DONT WORRY DORMIO IM WITH YOU
This thing between dormio and shadoweh looks dumb the more i read it
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##vote: shadoweh
It's only cool if you die for reals this time
Will reread and make better post when able to keep eyes open and possklre see keybird i a, type with
Of course, Dormio, you should have said you weren't serious a while back >_>.>Implying that I am ever serious about my ED1 votes.
>Implying that I am ever serious about my ED1 votes.
Anyway, Dan.
What's up with the ShadyK hate? What makes him worse than Rawr and Affinity? (And me.)
To clarify, both your points on Rawr and ShadyK seem to boil down to "Why Shadoweh?".
What puts ShadyK as scummier than Rawr?
And what does being obtuse make Affinity? Is it scummy?
If the 2004 US presidential election taught me anything, it's that flipflopping accusations are often taken out of context.Ah, so the fact that Trixie hasn't posted anything makes Trixie... more likely to be town?
Dormio is claiming that he isn't serious about pushing her for the lynch. In #61 Dormio doesn't like Shadoweh because he thinks that Shadoweh has the "killing intent" against Dormio (that's how I read it anyway). Meanwhile he's still thinking about who could be scum. I'm going to appeal to Hw here and argue that this phenomenom is what happened to me in Schezo's game when I parked my vote on Serela.
Seriously grey, try to dissociate the wagon from Shadoweh's wagon from Dormio, and try to go DEEPER. Think of the votepark on Shadoweh in the way that your vote has been left on Px. Also what do you think of Affinity, Rawr, and ShadyK?
Also stick with addessing him as Dormio.
Why Shadoweh?kk about that...
Ok sorry I'm late I had a math test and stuff and didnt have time to make a post yesterday.kk about that...
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I actually dont have a reason at all in truth I should've unvoted earlier but what's done is done. Now about this current situation, Ice is attacking Dormio and PX specifically super strong. Now part of me wants to believe he's town but on the other hand I feel as if he's scum. However I feel lynching him at this point might not be a good move. As for the others I aint entirely sure on their standing so much but...
FakeEdit:PEOPLE SOMETIMES I GET BUSY I WAS GONNA POST EVENTUALLY OMG
##Vote:Ihavenoname
You seem rather flip floppy with your votes and you haven't given much of an argument as to why dormio is scum. That and the fact that in #48 you say a quicklynch feels off makes me think you're trying to act as townie. Gimme one good reason why I should vote dormio at all cuz you seem rather passive.
Ok sorry I'm late I had a math test and stuff and didnt have time to make a post yesterday.kk about that...Let's start here. Why do you feel that you should have unvoted earlier? Do you have any reasons for unvoting me now? How do you feel about Shadoweh?
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I actually dont have a reason at all in truth I should've unvoted earlier but what's done is done.
Now about this current situation, Ice is attacking Dormio and PX specifically super strong. Now part of me wants to believe he's town but on the other hand I feel as if he's scum. However I feel lynching him at this point might not be a good move. As for the others I aint entirely sure on their standing so much but...What parts make you want to believe ICE is town? What parts make you want to believe ICE is scum? You should be able to look through the argument and find quotes that explain this if you have those feelings, or relate them to how you feel about Dormio and PX themselves.
##Vote:IhavenonameHas no name changed his vote alot? I'm not sure how flip floppy applies. The tone of this makes me believe you think Dormio is town, is this correct? If so I'd like a better explanation of why.
You seem rather flip floppy with your votes and you haven't given much of an argument as to why dormio is scum. That and the fact that in #48 you say a quicklynch feels off makes me think you're trying to act as townie. Gimme one good reason why I should vote dormio at all cuz you seem rather passive.
##Vote:IhavenonameI've had votes on 2 people so far. So far I have hunches that the scum are under 4 people, some moreso than others. I'm placing my vote on who I think is mostly scummy at the time.'
You seem rather flip floppy with your votes and you haven't given much of an argument as to why dormio is scum. That and the fact that in #48 you say a quicklynch feels off makes me think you're trying to act as townie. Gimme one good reason why I should vote dormio at all cuz you seem rather passive.
Let's start here. Why do you feel that you should have unvoted earlier? Do you have any reasons for unvoting me now? How do you feel about Shadoweh?What parts make you want to believe ICE is town? What parts make you want to believe ICE is scum?Well I shoulda unvoted earlier cuz tbh I had no reason to vote you in the first place. Looking at this now I don't really see anything scummy in ya yet. ICE might be town cuz his reasons do make some sense to me. Just his posts in general seem fairly townie. But at the same time he's kind of a drama queen when it comes to any mention of him or you being scum. Like in #43 soon as a couple votes racked up on ya he was all like 'no get off shadoweh'. Then I mention the possibility of him being scum and he flips out in #76 with a 'OH GOD WHAT' It's posts like those that make me feel like he's scum.
Has no name changed his vote alot? I'm not sure how flip floppy applies. The tone of this makes me believe you think Dormio is town, is this correct? If so I'd like a better explanation of why.Ok flip floppy aint the best word but from what I see he's using another person's reason as a way to change his vote without any input of his own. Dormio seems town to me at this point yes. Now I've got a question for you shadoweh. ICE keeps claiming your town but what I'd like to know is if you consider him town as well. I mean he's always defending you so why not do the same provided that you think he's town.
"trying to act as townie" I've never played Mafia before, does that mean I'm doing it right/wrong?Does that list mean I'm one of the most suspicous? If so why do you think this? Going off a hunch is cool and all but you need some reasoning to back it up.
Because I KNOW people are going to ask on my list it's Dormio, ShadyK, ICE and PX, with PX being the least suspicious at the moment.
So lurking means auto scum?It's a scum habit yeah but doesnt imply that they are 100% scum everytime.
Does that list mean I'm one of the most suspicous? If so why do you think this? Going off a hunch is cool and all but you need some reasoning to back it up. It's a scum habit yeah but doesnt imply that they are 100% scum everytime.Yes. Your #35 was why I thought so, but before I posted I read through the rest of the thread up to the most recent post. Someone had already made the point I was going to make, so I said I agreed.
Put your vote where your mouth is are you going to vote dormio? else what does trixies one post have that makes you want to keep your vote on him?
GreyICE is pretty town imo, but I'm not feeling his Shadoweh obvtowniest ever read yet. I don't think she's scummy though. Would also like him to explain why PX is worth voting more than Dormio right now.
I will note that I dislike how you still have yet to explain why you felt it prudent to point out Trixie(PX)'s OMGUS, yet you simply ignored Shadoweh who did the same thing.
Yes. Your #35 was why I thought so, but before I posted I read through the rest of the thread up to the most recent post. Someone had already made the point I was going to make, so I said I agreed.That post eh. Well just cuz I sided with dormio in the beginning doesnt mean I wont vote him later. So what you're telling me is your reason for voting for dormio hasn't changed since #57 cuz I'm sure he's made enough posts since then to prove your point further if you are indeed correct.
But it's a slow D1, there's not much info so there's not much to go off of but hunches.
If somehting else happens in the next couple minutes I'll respond but if not I have class for 3 hours.
Please answer my question, i dont need it in a form of a question kthnxI'm not okay with lynching town, but I'd argue with shadoweh about her reads, not lynch her. Because that's what you do when town is wrong :P
So youre saying you would be ok if shadoweh were to go on a spree getting town lynched just because your secret thing with shadoweh makes her town?
Because I KNOW people are going to ask on my list it's Dormio, ShadyK, ICE and PX, with PX being the least suspicious at the moment.My favorite question of the day is going to get asked alot! Why? Do you feel that Dormio and ICE or PX and ICE could be scum together? Why do you suspect Shadyk and did you before he voted you?
@people who asked me the same thing, Why i choose shadoweh over dormio? probably because of the omgus and the fact that i find it weird how on ICE first post he declares shadoweh town for no apparent reason.ICE randomly declared me town for no reason. This makes me scum because ??? . Although it's known for scum to go out of their way to defend townies for cred, this would be a scumtell for him and a towntell for me. Unless you are implying we are scumbuddies trying to link ourselves to each other as hard as possible, because we feel pity for town and want you to have an easy time.
@shadoweh I had doubts about both you and dormio because I cant tell if dormio is trying to be serious and voting, and if your omgus on him was serious or not.Those sounds like null-tells. We could both not be serious and just be town looking for a reason to vote. Speaking of which, I hope you realize you're voting Affinity over something you've just stated you were voting me for.
ICE might be town cuz his reasons do make some sense to me. Just his posts in general seem fairly townie. But at the same time he's kind of a drama queen when it comes to any mention of him or you being scum. Like in #43 soon as a couple votes racked up on ya he was all like 'no get off shadoweh'. Then I mention the possibility of him being scum and he flips out in #76 with a 'OH GOD WHAT' It's posts like those that make me feel like he's scum.I'm sorry, I'm distracted by the picture of Lain in a tinkerbell dress throwing a temper tantrum at her managers. Okay back. So you think that he sounds reasonable but he's being over-defensive towards someone town and himself? That's a reasonable conclusion. I don't think he's worried about being fingered though. Since you asked, I think he's being proactive, and driving townie forces not only seem obviously town, but they get killed really fast, so the only reason I would have to suspect ICE is if he were alive in three days. I'm not going out of my way to defend him because he is a big boy and my reading of townie vibes says he doesn't need it.
If the 2004 US presidential election taught me anything, it's that flipflopping accusations are often taken out of context.
Dormio is claiming that he isn't serious about pushing her for the lynch. In #61 Dormio doesn't like Shadoweh because he thinks that Shadoweh has the "killing intent" against Dormio (that's how I read it anyway). Meanwhile he's still thinking about who could be scum. I'm going to appeal to Hw here and argue that this phenomenom is what happened to me in Schezo's game when I parked my vote on Serela.
Seriously grey, try to dissociate the wagon from Shadoweh's wagon from Dormio, and try to go DEEPER. Think of the votepark on Shadoweh in the way that your vote has been left on Px. Also what do you think of Affinity, Rawr, and ShadyK?
Also stick with addessing him as Dormio.
Quick before work after school post.You want to just outright claim scum, rather than softclaiming it?
@shadoweh: my post was implying such actions are against/bad for town, basically saying scum.
Also ICE secrets day one or not are still secrets and still creates doubts and paranoia <.<
#58 you state this wagon on Shadoweh isn't serious.Yeah, I didn't like the comment. What of it?
#60 you state that you don't like Shadoweh's comment.
Also about Dormio playing dumb.. :VWhat is this supposed to mean? >:<
Dormio what exactly don't you like about me besides that I responded to your pointed anger with returned hostility? Look I'm giving you more material to make an answer by. <^_^>At that point, not much else.
My favorite question of the day is going to get asked alot! Why? Do you feel that Dormio and ICE or PX and ICE could be scum together? Why do you suspect Shadyk and did you before he voted you?It wasn't that he voted me specifically but the way he 'defended' Dormio. I get it's still probably a jokevote, but it still struck me as off.
Dislike I have no name's lack of opinions on anything.I've presented a few opinions. I'd give more if I wasn't neutral on most people at the moment.
Whatever, I need to actually be productive today. The weather sucks.Don't see how that's productive other than forcing me to defend myself (I'm obviously not scum. Obviously.), but if you think so then whatever.
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##Vote I have no name.
Look, danging a 'secret' and treating it like scum bait is like expecting to find a thief by leaving a $20 and seeing who picks it up first. It's a crappy way to grab someone who is scum cause you're tempting curiosity. It's still anti-town at least as you're turning yourself into a target by claiming you know someone else is town nearly out of the gate. The fact is that wouldn't one want to not just whip out a spade from the sleeve and leave it there for all to see with no use. So either it's scum or anti-town at best. And if I missed your reveal date, blame calculus homework and my procrastination, and speaking of that, I should leave the bathroom now <.<Hey Anthy, have anything better to do than discuss mafia theory (poorly) and leave your vote on town?
I thought ICE was suspicious for other reasons, mainly that he seems to be rather secretive. I do think it's unlikely that the same 2 people are scum but I haven't ruled it out.
- PX and Dormio probably aren't scum again. The guy accusing them must be suspicious because of it.
- Random statistics and sheeping to HW.
- Dormio, ShadyK, GreyICE, and PX are suspicious for reasons that I have yet to disclose.
Look, danging a 'secret' and treating it like scum bait is like expecting to find a thief by leaving a $20 and seeing who picks it up first. It's a crappy way to grab someone who is scum cause you're tempting curiosity.It got us past the non-serious phase and onto having real discussions, didn't it? More importantly, no one is voting anyone for those reasons. If ICE were tunneling on someone because they reacted wrong to 'secrets' you would have a point. This is more like da police organizing a sting operation and having a reporter trying to catch the scoop.
It's still anti-town at least as you're turning yourself into a target by claiming you know someone else is town nearly out of the gate.Explain this to me. How is it scummy to turn yourself into a target? Scum don't want attention. Scum don't want people wondering why they're alive after three nightkills. It's reaction grabbing. And sometimes you gotta be a little anti-town to corner the scumbags, fight fire with fire, they ain't playing fair so don't be surprised when we break out the tear gas. 8)
Quick post before Trixie rushes off to getMy desire for your blood has been quenched by this very townie...breakfastbrunchfood at 3PM.
Trixie's reads on people through a quick skim.
1. huh what - No idea
2. Dormio - Town
3. ActionDan - Town
5. Dr Rawr - Town
6. Serela - Does he have posts?
7. ShadyK - Need to read
8. I have no name - Need to read
9. Shadoweh -Die scum!Town
10. Affinity - Need to read
11. Anthy - Need to read
12. ICE - Trixie does not like you at all. Town
ICE it's called dealing with bs scholarship essays and school .<.
Joking aside what benefits is there in just shoving that 'secret' right out into the open then? I know already I've made a stupid mistake on the part of potential scum baiting, but that still bugs the shit outta me cause you're making yourself a side of a barn on night one in my opinion. Will get out better opinions on everyone else when I can actually make a decent judgement with a full stomach.
ICE, while you're around, can you explain what you have on Rawr that makes him obvscum? I'm not following it beyond "he has misconceptions about the game".A beaaauuutifulll "Why Her" on Trixie where he complains that I'm voting Trixie for things that other townies are doing.
Oh hey thanks for reminding me, I would like a reanswer to my question on 88 thats not in a form of a question.I guess it is just a thing for me! By the way, thanks for admitting you know I'm town ^_^
Also youve pretty much been adding words yourself to peoples post, could you please be so kind as to stop. I was not role fishing in my 89. Yes you have been making a bunch of uneeded posts or useless posts, so i guess active lurking is a thing for you.
So youre saying you would be ok if shadoweh were to go on a spree getting town lynched just because your secret thing with shadoweh makes her town?This can be interpreted as you asking how strong his 'thing' is on me, IE looking to find out his role. I don't believe it's an unfair accusation. I'm not sure what you intended with this question if that wasn't the case.
Ihavenoname, Dr.Rawr, ShadyK, and Anthy are all I -think- pretty new to mafia and as such probably unreadable to me for awhile (I hear Noname is obvtown but I don't have the attention span to evaluate this anymore, maybe after a good night's rest). That's... a significant chunk of the player list, which makes me sadface.That's fair. (and this is my first game so you're correct...but everyone starts somewhere)
Hopefully their derp will be readable by late D2 like Rawr was last game!Hey... :ohdear:
This can be interpreted as you asking how strong his 'thing' is on me, IE looking to find out his role. I don't believe it's an unfair accusation. I'm not sure what you intended with this question if that wasn't the case.But Serela is voting for Trixie, and Trixie's last post was so very awful.
Serela made a post that basically says 'there sure are alot of people' and jumps on the nearest bandwagon. >_>
I'd like to see ShadyK take a solid, non-waffly stance on a player who isn't a fellow newbie. The Nameless wagon is unimpressive and trying to avoid picking unwinnable fights with stronger players is a reasonable newbscum action.Wait why single me out? I'll admit I've been kinda on and off with my judgment on the stronger players however I'm not trying to impress anyone here dunno what that is all about. I dunno what kinda stance you want from me but here's what I think as of now. ICE and Shadoweh definitely seem like town to me. The people who seem pretty scummy right now are noname, anthy and px. Anthy did kinda just prove himself to be rolefishing , PX isnt doing too much. Honestly Im forming these opinions off of what ICE has said and I know it's a bit hypocritical to use another's opinion as a basis seeing as I blamed noname for the same thing on his dormio vote however ICE has noticed things that I never would've noticed at my current skill level. As for noname...
I really hope my guess is correct and that it's not just a playstyle difference/me being a noob.Ok this is why I find you to be scum you have yet to make a post that actually explains why you are voting for someone. Why are you making a guess? Out of all of ICE's posts you dont have any evidence to back up your vote?
That's fair. (and this is my first game so you're correct...but everyone starts somewhere)Hey... :ohdear:
Ihavenoname, Dr.Rawr, ShadyK, and Anthy are all I -think- pretty new to mafia and as such probably unreadable to me for awhile (I hear Noname is obvtown but I don't have the attention span to evaluate this anymoreOT: To be fair I've played mafia irl a couple times :derp: (Except online mafia is entirely different so whatever)
I have no name: Feels like how I felt first game, a little flippy/floppy and easy to push into unvoting, but has resolved a bit better. Opinions are a bit iffy, but then playing neutral is an iffy thing to do in mafia.It's fair enough to be a newbie and he doesnt know who to choose and I can understand that. However he needs to support his votes with some details at least for me to consider him town.
Ok this is why I find you to be scum you have yet to make a post that actually explains why you are voting for someone. Why are you making a guess? Out of all of ICE's posts you dont have any evidence to back up your vote?I don't have any evidence because I don't know what to look for for evidence, it's mostly just the attitude and tone of the posts. I'm looking but I'm not seeing any on anyone, so I either pull a no-vote or go off my hunch. I chose the latter.
Where did you hear that noname was obvtown?Two people said it, Shadoweh was one of them. (citing #51)
You know what, I'm leaving my vote on ICE for now, as honestly it's not a serious threat at all to 'the glorious ICE' as her personality shows. Throughout this game so far it's been a string of poking and claiming wildly without much explanation.ICE is a boy btw. :D You are trying very hard to get thrown off the island. Your vote at this point is nothing more then a prod on someone active who is obvtown. You may think it's a good idea to just leave it there because obv it's not bothering anyone, but that says too me you're just looking for reasons not to move it.
P.S>: Shadoweh, yes I am somewhat annoyed that ICE is making a target out of herself cause if she is down, and does have ~*~special powers~*~ they shouldn't be flailed about to be shot so soon unless it's something absurd like a gun owner. It's attention grabbing and it doesn't help that ICE in general annoys me and hasn't contributed other than jabbing with small pins to get more reactions.SCUM CAN'T MAKE TARGETS OUT OF THEMSELVES. STOP VOTING FOR SOMEONE YOU THINK IS TOWN.
A scum player drawing attention to themself having special powers would be a stupid play, but therein lies the brilliance- no scum would draw attention to themsleves so they draw attention to themself as a towntell, thus confirm among the other town a scum as town. Of course then there's the people who expect this and vote there anywayoh god my sides
oh god my sidesIt's fine.
I'm sorry, really, but
I can't, the WIFOM here
Give me some damn opinions of your own other than TRIXIE MUST BURRRRRN you pyro . < .
ActionDan: Overall pursuing points, during dormio spark he was sticking rather meta. Though again it fizzled out so not much there is worth it. I really don't have much for his points of pursual at the moment.
Trixie:Lurkers lurk are lurking bleh, honestly I'm not exactly one for the 'active lurkers = scum' camp mostly cause you can't just randomly throw something in here while you're always on otherwise you're prone to a mistake or two, not everyone is a well of posts . < .
I have no name: Feels like how I felt first game, a little flippy/floppy and easy to push into unvoting, but has resolved a bit better. Opinions are a bit iffy, but then playing neutral is an iffy thing to do in mafia.
Honestly none of them are flipping any switches or sparking up anything to me, and honestly I do expect something more out of you ICE.
A scum player drawing attention to themself having special powers would be a stupid play, but therein lies the brilliance- no scum would draw attention to themsleves so they draw attention to themself as a towntell, thus confirm among the other town a scum as town. Of course then there's the people who expect this and vote there anyway.
Yes, due to what I see as a vote-park on PX and ineffectual (and somewhat unreasonable) prodding of rawr, Dormio, and Anthy, among others, which sets up an easy move to any one of them.:wat:
I also share ShadyK's misgivings with huhwhat; in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg797389.html#msg797389), huhwhat arbitrarily clears No Name as newbtown (saying that he would have done this rather than that etc.) while decrying Anthy as scum for pushing weak and easy cases (which No Name had done too) and chastising ShadyK for going after newbies, which is pretty much what the entire PX wagon is doing right now. It is all weirdly exclusive, and it smells of selective scumhunting. Would like him to answer to this as well.The difference between Anthy and the other examples you mentioned is that the others are more audacious. Comments like "hey, GreyICE is being secretive and concise" and "hey, Dormio and Shadoweh are slapfighting" don't really look beyond the surface of posts for intent and don't stick out enough to actively draw attention. His methods haven't been pro-active and his opinions mainly revolve around null actions, so I don't think it's actual town-intended scumhunting. This is different from the PX wagon, which at least involves pressing PX over something legitimately scummy instead of just observing "weird" stuff he's done. Though Nameless' scumhunting has been newb-weak, his flipfloppy switches are boisterous and imply he's not worried what other players think about him, so I believe he's newbtown.
Though Nameless' scumhunting has been newb-weak, his flipfloppy switches are boisterous and imply he's not worried what other players think about him, so I believe he's newbtown.I have to agree with weak scum hunting, I'm still trying to get a feel for how this whole thing works. (I'm guessing I should be asking more questions though).
I have to agree with weak scum hunting, I'm still trying to get a feel for how this whole thing works. (I'm guessing I should be asking more questions though).Of course you're not trying to act that way. That's why it's cute and we like you.
flipfloppy? I've changed votes all of twice, both times because I thought the person I changed my vote to was more scummy at the time. boisterous? I'm not trying to act that way.
If a wagon based on lynching a lurker who is currently voting one of his town reads is bad, how bad is a wagon based on the offensive of lynching a lurker that isn't providing the town with any content?
His (Anthy's) methods haven't been pro-active and his opinions mainly revolve around null actions, so I don't think it's actual town-intended scumhunting. This is different from the PX wagon, which at least involves pressing PX over something legitimately scummy instead of just observing "weird" stuff he's done.
Affinity, what do you actually think of the newer players yourself? You seem to be using Serela and I's stances on them as venues to accuse, but you yourself have none.
I don't think the wagons would fall in a panic. There are a few people who are suspect because of the way the wagons have turned out.
Yes because i have no reason to vote you, nor have i ever actually thought you were scumy, and lets not forget about how you still ignore my question./sarcasmYou know, I've answered all the questions asked to me that were actual questions.
Put your vote where your mouth is are you going to vote dormio? else what does trixies one post have that makes you want to keep your vote on him?
Ohh, you want to know why I won't take the pressure off a lurker whose response to my post was to run away and hide, to put it on someone who is actively posting and helping me get a better read on them?
Please answer my question, i dont need it in a form of a question kthnx
its not scary your attacks have been on me dormio px and anthy but you never actually bring up a case on either of these people just make slight comments on there posts.So Rawr, you don't know?
buts its okay youre scum you dont have to asnwer the question
also i do like how again, you misinterpret what people say
useless cut
im not gonna spend the next halfhour getting all the posts together. also did you just claim townvig lol
I had this really funny dream. I dreamed that there was a five vote wagon on someone obviously town because everyone hates loud noises. Good thing when I woke up everyone piled onto a possible scumspect instead and we could all pretend that never happened.Haha~
if he doesnt think dormio is that scummy why did he call him obvscum lol. also why should i listen to you on who you think is town? last game you were prettyBut you seem to be sheeping Affinity so nicely.convincedknew hero999 was scum and not to mention even though px said he as scum you were still convinced he was town. sooo no i think ill get my own reads then sheep
This is the funny thing here, most of those voting for PX (Dan, Serela, Shadoweh) aren't exactly proactive beyond the power of their vote and are merely, as you say, making the simple observation that he has no content whatsoever which happens to be universally accepted as scummy. I'm not quite seeing the distinction you are making between Anthy, ShadyK, and these two groups; your vote does not seem to be a logical consequence of your premises.Dan had taken a non-easy stance on ShadyK earlier on and I think that was original scumhunting even though he stepped down later. Shadoweh has been pretty aggressive, I disagree she hasn't been pro-active. Serela... okay, Serela's PX vote is fucking terrible, I'll give you that. However, I don't think Serela's post looks like he's trying to avoid attention with what he's saying (otherwise he'd cut out half of his waffling), and I wouldn't prioritize him over Anthy.
if he doesnt think dormio is that scummy why did he call him obvscum lol. also why should i listen to you on who you think is town? last game you were prettyYou were scum that game, how would you know what I thought. :V I recall you pulling the same lines on me then too when I wanted to lynch you, discrediting my words without having to deal with my towniness. You should listen to me because being wrong once doesn't make me wrong every single time. ICE said Dormio was obvscum like a page ago, get with the program Rawry.convincedknew hero999 was scum and not to mention even though px said he as scum you were still convinced he was town. sooo no i think ill get my own reads then sheep
its not scary your attacks have been on me dormio px and anthy but you never actually bring up a case on either of these people just make slight comments on there posts.If you wanted to prove yourself you should take the time to make a case ya know? I doubt it'd take a half hour anyways. Plus I dont think ICE has really misinterpreted what anyone has said. Care to provide an example? I'll see what happens from here on out but the more I think about I'm thinking voting rawr might be a good plan but I'll have to see what comes later.
buts its okay youre scum you dont have to asnwer the question
also i do like how again, you misinterpret what people say
useless cut
im not gonna spend the next halfhour getting all the posts together. also did you just claim townvig lol
It isnt much of secret anymore they are mason, which iirc means they can talk to each other(cant remember if its at day or night)I wouldn't rule out scum masquerading as masons though.
Masons just isn't a good scum fakeclaim.Eh, actually, there are situations where it could be, but this one definitely isn't one of them. I meant to put an "on D1" at the end of that sentence but forgot.
what the fuck px"they're too scummy to be scum" is a bad can of worms to open.
"Shadoweh has been attacking people for trying to mislynch a player who is Confirmed Town to her. Obviously this is scummy!"
Yeah, no.
The weirdest thing about this game is that a PX/Rawr/Anthy scumteam would have to be completely retared to throw themselves at the masons so suicidally. I would think at least one scum would go out of their way to not get involved in the chaos. I'm curious what ICE and Shadoweh think about this too.
"they're too scummy to be scum" is a bad can of worms to open.Eh. I can see why you'd interpret what I'm saying that way, but I prefer not to assume scum is batshit incompetent, so I'm hesitant to push three of them together.
The weirdest thing about this game is that a PX/Rawr/Anthy scumteam would have to be completely retared to throw themselves at the masons so suicidally. I would think at least one scum would go out of their way to not get involved in the chaos. I'm curious what ICE and Shadoweh think about this too.ARE YOU READING OUR QUICKTOPIC HUH WHAT? o_o That's something we said actually. You could in theory split the game right now into IceWagon, PXWagon and None of the above, but it's better to wait for the lynch before drawing a conclusion from it. They're probably not all scum. I don't yet consider myself psychic enough to finger the entire scumteam without a flip.
Shadoweh, other than the damn secret I want some actual reasoning behind ICE's opinions, which none is there and I requested them in my last post. Along with that, PX honestly is sliding from neutral lurking to potential scum lurking, there's taking one's time and then there's staring at the crowd from the bushes in a grating manner."I would like reasonings but I might just hop onto that wagon my suspect is forwarding because it's there." <_<
Dude unvoteWhat stopped you from doing this? :V
like right now
before PX troll hammers himself.
Dude unvote##Unvote
like right now
before PX troll hammers himself.
WHAT YOU GUYS PICK THE ONE TIME I WON'T MIND YOU ENDING MY SUFFERING TO NOT THREATEN A QUICKLYNCH ON ME? You're all a bunch of fricking sadists.
I'm just reading this stuff in utter amazment.
Also Shadoweh, do me a favor and promise that if you are lying about the alignment confirmed part, you'll mention that eventually. Then again there are crazy people running around who don't seem to be able to collect themselves.
Anyway I might as well let you guys chew on this for a while, while I order some food.
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HERE GOES!
I CANNOT BELIEVE
my super-cool-awesome plan was ruinned... By DERP
I suddenly understand nothing.
Because it looks a little emtpy
##vote: px
Because it looks a little emtpy-_-
##vote: px
Did i say you were town? Get the hint will you?So do you think I was bussing Trixie then?
Idk were you?Someone named rawr thinks answering questions with questions is scummy.
Implying i havent avoided your other questionsOh you have, and we all know that.
If i were scum why would i be pushing a confirmed townie as scum or being lynchable?I don't know, so you could lynch somebody who shouldn't be lynched? That shit conserves both mislynch targets and nightkills for scum, yo.
Idk were you?I love this question.
I don't like things that I don't understand.##FoS ActionDan
I don't think that I can make sense of this.You must spend most of your life angry and confused
##FoS ActionDan
So youre sayig if i just sheeped you all day i would be town lol?WHAT'S THAT RAWR?
What? Are you even reading the posts you are quoting?SURE
ICE i have no idea what youre talking about. Making less sense then hungry dan.Bombs kill the person who hammers them.
Calm down Grey. Px hasn't confirmed that he is a bomb yet. Besides your posts are obscuring my vision of Affinity's post. Btw Affinity looks very town after reading his posts fully.Cool. That means I have to trust your alignment, and trust that confirmed role = confirmed alignment.
ShadyK, Dormio, Ihavenoname, Serela, Hw, Rawr, Anthy. These are the names circling in my head. Poe is not going to work as well this game, so I'm going to focus hard.
Also why use the bomb up like that? I'm CONFIRMING THERE IS A BOMB. If there is only one, then it is most likely the town's bomb. I'd rather lynch Rawr if it comes to that than have him hammer.
Im pretty sure i already voted px.
Also i noticed you didnt vote px you didnt use the ## so it doesnt count.
I also noticed you half assed read my post, i was talking about my own selfhammer. Try reading it
I'm not the only one highly disliking Dan right now, am I?
Alright PX has got me confused now so I'm just gonna go withWell that's the point. If it isn't true, then we've found scum, dead trixie scum.
##Vote:Dr.Rawr
Honestly Ive got nothing else to add to the above reasons. It's just obvious how he wont follow up with what ice has said and keeps trying to get the topic off of him. That and after recent posts I dont really feel like messing with a PX vote at this point right now. It seems kinda risky to get rawr to vote on a supposed 'bomb' because who knows if it's true.
Having townies sacrifice themselves just to answer your own questions doesnt seem pro town to me. If both me and px end up town thats all on you then.If both you and Trixie end up town, then we just got two lynches for one night kill. Given it's you and trixie, SURE!
Er how would that stop the night kill again?Otherwise it'd cost us two night kills to lynch you both.
So youre saying that you would risk 3 potential town kills d1, risk/possibly fucking up d2, and d3 would be lylo? Am i getting this right? Im assuming 3scum hereThere's 12 players in the game. If we assume 3 scum, and zero scum lynches, day 3 is always going to be LyLo.
Basically, if Rawr survives the day because PX wasn't a bomb I'll be pretty pissed.- the 'mysterious role that I don't know what it does' is a ridiculous claim in every single way.
It's entirely possible Dan's role refers to something else.
In fact PX hasn't even fullclaimed yet.
This all feels very premature and I'm getting second doubts. ICE, what makes you certain of bomb!PX?
Dormio if you want px lynch then vote him. Id rather have you put your vote down before you sleep.Look at the people voting PX and tell me this again. :V
My plan was to claim to be the bomb.
Shadoweh, your post was the sanity check I needed.Oh my god we're screwed.
Oh my god we're screwed.
I fell asleep, did I miss anything interesting while I was gone? :D
We're not lynching PX. I will eat my words a third time maybe but I don't want to. Hold on, I should check something. TO THE BACON CAVE!
Okay I'm back. WE ARE NOT LYNCHING PX BECAUSE MAYBE HE'S A BOMB. I am staring daggers into all of you. You want to lynch him because he's telling the truth? Because your plan here relies on 'PX is maybe scum but maybe he's telling the truth so okay let's get him'. I don't know if you've forgotten but PX makes really obvious lying fakeclaims. I have a better idea. Let's send him to LYLO and see what happens. :D I'm not surprised about ICE's response to it, he sounds exactly like he did in every other game I was stalking him in. I mean uh.
Also. ROLECALL. who's here?o/
Also the complacency with this lynch besides the obvtown elements of myself and shadoweh should clue people in that scum don't give a damn.I probably wouldn't be supporting it if I didn't feel it was the only way I could get rid of the person I feel is scum at this juncture. I imagine this is how most people feel about it as well.
I probably wouldn't be supporting it if I didn't feel it was the only way I could get rid of the person I feel is scum at this juncture. I imagine this is how most people feel about it as well.
Dan, is the only reason you have for believing Trixie-Town the fact that her claim makes no sense?
Mostly, Yes. Look, I know there is a BOMB in the game (active or inactive). I asked that question specifically to Hourai, and he confirmed it. Px is the only claimed thing that does something on death. putting 2 and 2 together make me think my role exists to make sure town has a chance to not fuck themselves over.Bombs never fuck the town over -_-
Bombs never fuck the town over -_-
Here's an after school post about my lazy ass post at 3 in the morning :D
The mason claim just puts two and two together since I was already suspecting a sort of linked role between the two. Along with ICE being linked with shadoweh that leaves him to the side now. My not voting PX is cause his lurking at the time was making me suspicious but I didn't want to jump the gun, which doing it now is also a bad idea (L-1 and all if I read right). Honestly this whole bomb thing has me confused and annoyed as it stirred shit up so fast. What if it's just some roundabout ass move of scum to just shake shit up? But then worse things have happened and I'm a stubborn fucker who has realized he's made an ass of himself on something unknown thinking it'd be ~*~the best direction ever~*~
Overall I got no damn clue on px if bomb or not and using rawr as a suicide disarm device sounds like a wonderful and potentially insane move to do. I'm up for potential mass murder but then I got to get my ass to work.
Tl;dr I'm lazy, mason reveal makes sense and I'm too stuborn to give up on something when it should be blantantly obvious. Lynch is pointing at rawr or PX, I don't feel much on rawr and PX's ??? Annoys the crap out of me.
I mean literally, you admit to spending the entirity of day 1 power role hunting? And you're proud of this fact?
If you're town, you are the most amazingly useless townie ever created. You should be shot, killed, hung, and eviscerated. In a village full of idiots you'd STILL stand out as the town VI.
Can someone PLEASE tell me this man has a non-single digit IQ so I can lynch him like the enormous scumbag he looks like?
its posts like that which makes me want to slap you.Why? 'cause I say the truth
Don't hammer yet! I'm seeing many people saying "Just hammer now" but the post I'm typing up is almost done and D:SERELA
Also, that was the nice version.
The not nice version had about 500% more expletives and questioned Anthy's parentage, schooling, life choices, and strongly suggested he was dropped on his head as a child.
oh im voting now?We have like 30 minutes. I vote yes.
Vote GreyICEIs this a scum claim?
Vote Affinity
Vote Huhwhat
Vote ShadyK
Is this a scum claim?
ASDLFJKASGJKADFHJGSDFSDFHJDFJSGDFS
okay just hammer
I hit backspace and the textbox wasn't selected so the browser went back and I lost my entire post
just, fuck.
Mr. No name: My trigger finger lynch finger has not forgotten you. You were also not present to explain your behaviour or to offer yourself in an act of forgiveness. Your fear of the bomb seemed too geniune for someone who suposedly believed PX was actually scum.I was asleep during the thread explosion (actually, from my last post to "Day 1 has ended"). I didn't expect 3 and a half pages of...that. Also how was I supposed to know there couldn't be a scum-bomb?
I was asleep during the thread explosion (actually, from my last post to "Day 1 has ended"). I didn't expect 3 and a half pages of...that. Also how was I supposed to know there couldn't be a scum-bomb?The alignment of the bomb in question actually doesn't matter. Whether red or green they kill the person who hammers them the same. Why do you bring this up in your defense?
ShadyK seems clearWhy?
agreeing on huh what being suspicious.Why?
Still don't like ICE, ///(and in the case of masons Shadoweh/ICE, I'm not sold on Shadoweh being town).Those two statements contradict each other. Also you've never voiced suspicion of me before, but you're willing to follow my own suspicions why?
The alignment of the bomb in question actually doesn't matter. Whether red or green they kill the person who hammers them the same. Why do you bring this up in your defense?Because I honestly thought PX was scum.
Those two statements contradict each other. Also you've never voiced suspicion of me before, but you're willing to follow my own suspicions why?Either I'm wrong about ICE and you're both town, there's a scum+town mason group (is that even possible?), or you're both scum.
You are like the creepiest Doctor Kevorkian and I feel like you spent most of the day in the background cultivating dissent until the blazingly good fortune to get rid of the bomb and an idiot townie presented itself. Explain thineself.I was busier early on in the day, so that might have been a slight contributor, but I thought I was posting about as much as I usually do after the Anthy vote. I was pushing my opinions when possible so I don't think I was a "background presence", especially not when there were people like Anthy and Serela around who were actually genuinely lurking. Also, Rawr totally did not look like idiot town. <_< Were you reading his posts when you voted him or were you just sheeping Ice and I because why not?
Dormio: Dormio. No wait. You were quick to join the easy PX hate and I am suspicious of you!Uh, what? Please explain.
Reading through the posts from while I was asleep, ShadyK didn't seem scummy. Either it's good acting or I was mistaken.Wait what no. HOW DO I GO FROM SCUM TO TOWN THAT QUICKLY!? Ya gotta be more like Affinty keep the pressure comin!
##Vote: ShadyKI love you too Affinity. In retrospect I shouldnt have been so influenceable on ICE's opinion alone and my indeciveness was also a bad move. BUT WHAT'S DONE IS DONE. I've got this uncanny feeling that if im not lynched ill be nightkilled so I may have to divulge info later on (oh god im making myself a target why am i doing this). It'd probably be useful to know though. As much as I'd love to vote now Im still not sure @_@.
Voting for reasons I mentioned here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg798120.html#msg798120); that great lacuna between his dropping his vote on IHNM here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg797497.html#msg797497) (terminating his questioning solely due to what ICE said), and his next vote here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg798177.html#msg798177), is staggering, and all this after shifting between rawr, Anthy and PX for three posts without coming to a decision. There's a sense that he's trying to hide and sheep behind the stronger players, and that he was trying to play a safe wait-and-see until the very end.
Am also interested in the other obvious suspects such as Serela and Anthy, but I feel ShadyK has the right enough balance between laying low and being scummy for me to feel him as a top priority for today. huhwhat I need to reread, though I remember not being happy with him towards the beginning of D1.
Wait what no. HOW DO I GO FROM SCUM TO TOWN THAT QUICKLY!?Don't get me wrong, you're still on the list of possible targets, just less high up.
Don't get me wrong, you're still on the list of possible targets, just less high up.=(
Affinity, look at that sad face. How can you seriously vote a newbie that adorable? You still have no soul. :<...adorable. IM NOT TRYING TO BE ADORABLE HERE AAAAAAAAAAAA
Also, Rawr totally did not look like idiot town. <_< Were you reading his posts when you voted him or were you just sheeping Ice and I because why not?A little bit of both. I think you'll find the amount of reading what Rawr was saying correlated with my reluctance to vote him and wishes for someone else to do the suicide hammering. You're allowed to disparage people when they're alive, but when they actually flip idiot town..
Say what you will about his meta, but I'm pretty sure he is capable of actually scumhunting instead of just sheeping the wagons started by town leader figures while posting no other content. His actual habits with posting frequency remind me of lurkscum!Furien and lurkscum!K4U from MotK Mafioso (a game featuring play quality comparable to this one's). Lurking D1 is fine if you posting something meaningful when you're around, but Serela looked like he was only posting when he knew he absolutely had to post.
If you want people to get off your partner, why do you not give people a reason to get off him?
I mean literally, you admit to spending the entirity of day 1 power role hunting? And you're proud of this fact?
If you're town, you are the most amazingly useless townie ever created. You should be shot, killed, hung, and eviscerated. In a village full of idiots you'd STILL stand out as the town VI.
Can someone PLEASE tell me this man has a non-single digit IQ so I can lynch him like the enormous scumbag he looks like?
Anthy, IHNM, why is the mason claim totally passing over your head? What about this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg797933.html#msg797933) explanation that scum has no reason to fakeclaim as masons on D1 do you not agree with?Because I didn't realize exactly what that meant at the time. That is why the claim 'went over my head' as you put it.
What made huhwhat scummier than GreyICE in your decision to vote for him today, since you wanted him lynched yesterday? I get the impression that you are just heaving weight on wagons.Not sure why Affinity particularly felt like asking this question to NoName in his latest post. The answer seems sort of obvious. Iunno, this just feels slightly off to me. Other then that, I don't really have any problem with Affinity. Not really a read either way.
I actually think Anthy looks pretty downNo I'm not trying to be "hip" and "cool", I just typoed the word town ;_;
I also don't like her buddying up to ShadyK.Wait you didn't like dan hating on me and now you dont like Shadoweh buddying up to me. HOW DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TREATING ME!? /irrevelvancy Dormio what do you think of me right now anyways? Majority think Im slightly scummy-town at this point and I dont remember you giving an opinion on me.
In any case, I don't think my vote/pressure on ShadyK is going anywhere, since he just admitted his mistake and voted for a safe but reasonable wagon, which is a fair, if uninteresting response. What do you feel about IHNM now, ShadyK, given that you 'regretted following ICE's lead in labelling him town'?Hmmm ya know looking back he was awful paranoid once he heard about that bomb even though he wasn't gonna be the one to trigger it at all. It's like he wanted to threat gone so it didnt accidentally blow up in a nk. But if looking at his priority list...if ICE labeled him as town why would noname have him as top scum priority. Also if ICE's link to shadoweh makes him scummy why is he so high while shadoweh is so low. The two have been working together for the most part.
Because I didn't realize exactly what that meant at the time. That is why the claim 'went over my head' as you put it.HOLD UP. First of all what exactly made me drop so low. As of now everyone has called me wishy washy and other kind things so what specifically made me drop so low? Also how come to your top two scum reads are people who claim you to be town. You'd best give a good answer.
You want a priority list? Here's one.
ICE
huh what
Affinity
ShadyK
Anthy
Affinity
Dormio
Shadoweh
Serela
myself (obviously least scummy of everyone)
ShadyK: Feels like noname in the fact of newbieness but more wishwashy, I feel noname actually has more effort in what he's done but misguided while ShadyK is trying to not have as much responsibility in his actions.I could argue against this but :effort:. On a serious note a lot of nonames d1 posts were kinda contentless if I remember. Sure I kinda stopped trying late d1 but say what you all will I was legit confused at that time. @_@
Wait you didn't like dan hating on me and now you dont like Shadoweh buddying up to me. HOW DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TREATING ME!?Those are two completely different and unrelated things. I fail to see how they're connected. I don't care how people treat you.
/irrevelvancy Dormio what do you think of me right now anyways? Majority think Im slightly scummy-town at this point and I dont remember you giving an opinion on me.You're on my ignore list, which means that I think that you're more likely to be town than not.
Those are two completely different and unrelated things. I fail to see how they're connected. I don't care how people treat you.Fair enough they arent really connected looking back but it's an irrevelant point anyway moreso of a joke (kinda a bad one too) but whatever forget I said anything >_>.
On a serious note is there any real reason not to lynch noname at this point?Because, to put it simply, none of you know what I've been through the past couple of days IRL. You know when I entered 'no opinion' mode? That's when I started getting questioned by police. and I was getting the feeling I was a suspect in my roommate's injury.
On a serious note is there any real reason not to lynch noname at this point?Because certain people haven't really contributed much today, and I'd like :words: out of them.
Also, as mentioned yesterday, the AtE hurts me.AtE?
If you believe someone is scummy, read them up, show us where they were scummy, prove your townie heart to us. If you're going to be lynched might as well get it all out right?It's a bunch of little things through all their posts, and the tone/feel behind them.
Mainly for my curiousity, I wondet why Serela is so townie and Affinity is so scummy to you.
Before I forget. Mr. No name, please tell us your name and role, since you've managed to become an L-1 wagon in 24 hours.Doce, Felt member. No special abilities.
AtE?Yeah but a cop aint gonna like report if they found a townie cuz that would make them a scum target.
One final thing on why my attitude changed, going from being suspected of something I'm innocent of IRL to being suspected of something I'm innocent of has made my brain kind of shut down.
It's a bunch of little things through all their posts, and the tone/feel behind them.
ALSO I'M TOWN all you need to do is have the cop check that (and no, I'm not the scum role that returns positive on cop checks).
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This game isn't as fun as I thought it'd be but that might be external circumstances. I'll try again in a few months I guess.
What made huhwhat scummier than GreyICE in your decision to vote for him today, since you wanted him lynched yesterday?Simple: assuming 2 scum, those 2 were my top pick for scum team. Since no one would vote ICE, I voted huh what to try to chip away at the scum.
Still, Serela, care to...tell us why Anthy's town?
AtE is Attack the Emotions, the accusation that you're trying to get people off of you with guilt instead of doing something townie.I always knew it as "Appeal to Emotion". Regardless, the definition is the same.
I mean, I know you're new, but we can't let you just coast by with THAT little of a contribution. I know, pot calling the kettle black, etc, things haven't exactly been working out for me so far ;_; But I'm working on fixing that! *Cough* Anyway. You were at least somewhat trying earlier. I'm seeing where all the votes on you are coming from, now, because... you've been coasting by without giving us the slightest idea of what your thoughts and motives are for a really long time now! (That is A Really Bad Thing(tm), by the way)Thiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss aaaaaaaaaaaa
Speaking of which, Serela makes me want to shoot him even more for attacking Nameless for posting a list of reads without explanation, then going on... to post a bunch of reads without explanation,difference! I had a scum read and explained why. Most of the time town reads aren't explained much anyway. And I sort of did something with Affinity I guess.
##Vote SerelaDormio, can you read what you're saying?
In addition to what I said about Serela's D1 in #447, his voting behaviour today looks highly opportunistic to me.
For example, his current vote on IHNN. Where did that even come from? What changed you from reading his behaviour as "newb!null" (#119) to "Scum active-lurking" (#455)?
I mean, you never mentioned him at all outside of these two posts.
In addition to this, he had what can be summed up as no vote at all during D1.
Can someone tell me why Affinity isn't scum by Process of Elimination? We're running out of people who can be suspects here and he's chugging along on the mislynch mobile.Well... I only have three people that aren't town reads, I suppose, and he said at least one weird thing, but I'm not really sure I'd want to throw out a mostly null read as my decision to lynch for the day. It seems sort of early on to start using Process of Elimination to lynch someone instead of, say, actual reasons. Unless everyone else is really town I guess, but.
Especially that first line, we hates it we do. What do you mean we 'can't let them coast by' like that? You sound like you're chiding a misbehaving townie, but this is your argument for why you're voting him!Uwaa that's just how I talk ;_; And he's so helpless looking ;_;
Your only scum read still revolves around something you yourself would be doing if it were not for that scum read.I just think his 451 is p.good. He shows good thought processes on lots of people and is telling us what he thinks and why he thinks it and it makes sense and all that jazz. And then there's his earlier posts that I don't really remember anymore.
Still want to know why Anthy is town.
You lambaste him for not doing anything, but how does this apply only to him and not to you?I'm doing things -now- at least. It's like... I'm not not doing anything anymore, via attacking someone else for not doing anything! It sort of defeats itself. But I digress. It's vaguely confusing to explain.
Ok, just read through the logs of an old mafia game (Generic F11 I believe it was), and Serela is acting a lot like the scum from that game...Was Serela scum in that game? >.>; Try checking Darker then Black Mafia, that's the last one I remember that had a Serela scum in it.
honestly everyone else is probably pretty safe other than at this point we have 4 lynches left to get (probably) 3 scum (guess based off of the mafia game archive with scum/player ratios)Uhm if we get this one wrong we will have to lynch all three scum in a row. I actually wonder about that number. If there is a scum bombmaker, there might only be two.
Try checking Darker then Black Mafia, that's the last one I remember that had a Serela scum in it.I was braindead in that game. Try Graveyard Mafia. I hold it together until around D3 at least, there. Plus it's a -lot- more recent.
Was Serela scum in that game? >.>; Try checking Darker then Black Mafia, that's the last one I remember that had a Serela scum in it.Nope, but still, similar playing to the scum making me wonder...
I was braindead in that game. Try Graveyard Mafia. I hold it together until around D3 at least, there. Plus it's a -lot- more recent.ugh, anonymous posting. From what I could get out of it, playing looks similar.
Uhm if we get this one wrong we will have to lynch all three scum in a row. I actually wonder about that number. If there is a scum bombmaker, there might only be two.
we have 4 lynches left to get (probably) 3 scumThat's what i said/I was including tonight's lynch
ShadyK makes me sad for implying we're all terrible people. :ohdear:
No stooop it we want you both to stay ;_;OF COURSE NOT...well maybe a little. I get the feeling Affinity somehow influenced me to vote for noname but I've got reason to believe he's town again. The claim seems pretty legit and I am too easily influenced
Shady, be honest, is he looking like a better candidate because more people are voting for him then Serela?
I just think his 451 is p.good. He shows good thought processes on lots of people and is telling us what he thinks and why he thinks it and it makes sense and all that jazz. And then there's his earlier posts that I don't really remember anymore.I don't think it looks necessarily townie because it doesn't end in a vote. Do you not have an issue with him playing passively? Anthy's passive play is one of the main reasons I suspect him.
What made huhwhat scummier than GreyICE in your decision to vote for him today, since you wanted him lynched yesterday? I get the impression that you are just heaving weight on wagons.
It looks weird that you dropped ShadyK so fast because you thought your pressure wasn't going anywhere. It wasn't particularly late in the day, so you still had time to convince people of your read. What about his posts today made him read townier to you? I'm not seeing any changes in his behavior.
I'm doing things -now- at least. It's like... I'm not not doing anything anymore, via attacking someone else for not doing anything! It sort of defeats itself. But I digress. It's vaguely confusing to explain.Is this the part where I say something like: "Even if you admit you were wrong, that doesn't change the fact that you were wrong."
Dormio, what you're saying is still weird when you look at it. Are you expecting me to give him a free pass for not doing anything simply because I was nonexistent d1? That would be dumb.It's not my fault if you claimed to be around at the end of D1, claimed to have a post written up and everything, but then supposedly lost the post and failed to reproduce any of its contents.
>In addition, you did never mention him at all until after Affinity and I were voting him.The fact that you didn't exist up until that point doesn't do you any favors.
This would be more valid if I had made any posts before then.
I don't think it looks necessarily townie because it doesn't end in a vote. Do you not have an issue with him playing passively? Anthy's passive play is one of the main reasons I suspect him.
Also, L-1 is not something to be afraid of.
ICE cut: If the Serela lynch becomes impossible for some reason I'd lynch Anthy, but Serela's conduct has been scummier and his wagon actually has consistent support. I'd rather have Anthy hammer than Nameless, for whatever that's worth.
You never elaborated on your Nameless vote, either.
WHY ARE THERE PEOPLE NOT VOTING AT THIS STAGE. >8<Because I've been AFK for 13 hours.
That goes for IHNN and Shady as well. There is no excuse for lollygagging around.
We are not lynching anyone until there are less then 24 hours left in the day.This is what I wanted to know, because Serela had enough support to be lynched immediately.
Whyyyyy does no one want to lynch Anthy?
What has he done that's remotely town?
I'd like each person not voting anthy to give three reasons that Anthy is town in their next post. Zero should involve WIFOM (i.e. 'scum would make more of an effort to look like a townie')
Hi folks.I have 1 reason.
Anthy
Reasons.
Now.
I know 2 of you are his scumbuddies, but suck it up and deal.
Simple: assuming 2 scum, those 2 were my top pick for scum team. Since no one would vote ICE, I voted huh what to try to chip away at the scum.
If there are 3 Serela is probably 3rd right now, if ICE is town then idk who else.
I have 1 reason.
Anthy is my 3rd pick, but he's least threatening scum IMO.
What's up with the Serela love, Swadomeh?Maybe we're trying to figure the game out, Ran Ran
Also, what's up with the whole summing up my thoughts (inaccurately) on Serela as a single point in your #505?
Warning - choo choo i'm a train
Whatever, uni.
I'm not comfortable with the way huhwhat seems to be dissing the IHNM wagon here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg799313.html#msg799313) from a distance, in that he seems to be clearing IHNM based on his own opinions of how a newbtown is like, without directly addressing the valid points which were levied at him or questioning the people who made them other than Serela. What exactly about the points against IHNM do you find disagreeable, huhwhat?At the time I made that post, I hadn't really been finding any of the points against Nameless to stand out. He posted justifications when switching to ICE on D1 (though it was before the actual vote), and I was under the impression the PX vote was for the sake of majority, given the bomb theories. The "heaping weight on wagons" accusation didn't seem true to me.
Also I'm underimpressed by the Serela wagon.- Cheerleading up and coming cases (PX and Rawr wagons) on D1 without ever actually pushing for anything, including the cases he seemed to support
Anyone want to summarize the points in a few key bullets?
I mean besides lurking and her posting like a sugar-high ditz, there's no real scumminess there.
Sooooo, nameless is a buddy.?
>_<I meant by that, 'scum least likely to cause trouble'.
There is no such thing as 'least threatening scum'. Do you have a reason that is related to you thinking he might be town?
What changed inbetween those two posts?I re-read the thread.
I mean besides you forgetting your own scumreads.
?I meant by that, 'scum least likely to cause trouble'.I re-read the thread.
Are you actually reading all of my posts?
Yup.Flawed Logic: I'm not scum
They're scummy and amazingly bad.
Your 'reread' an old mafia game and 'decided' that Serela looked like she was playing like she did in that game so she needed to be lynched.
That's meta bullshit scumbag arguments, and Serela is now virtually guaranteed to be town.
The masons seem crazy disjointed at the moment. I'm curious what Shadoweh thinks about her buddy's pressure on Anthy, and why she hasn't tried to convince him of the Serela case if Serela is who she's voting. Looks lazy. :<You mad? Convince me I should do something about it.
Flawed Logic: I'm not scumWould you say most experienced posters tend to post similarly in most games they play in, regardless of alignment?
I perused several older ones to try to get a better feel for how this went and noted playstyle similarities.
The re-read was this thread up to that point.
You mad? Convince me I should do something about it.because if you don't push your opinions you're not a threat to scum, and that's why scum doesn't NK you vOv
The extreme difference inbetween day 1 and day 2 says someone was taking an observational position on day 1, and has moved into a straight opportunistic position on day 2.Have you ISO'd Serela lately?
Have you ISO'd Serela lately?You guys don't have that function.
Would you say most experienced posters tend to post similarly in most games they play in, regardless of alignment?In general yes.
His reaction to being put to L-1 made me question my scumread on him. This is the right choice
And then his reaction to being unvoted made me un-question the scumread on him. What reaction?
Have you ISO'd Serela lately?What does ISO stand for?
You guys don't have that function.Does your browser not have a CTRL+F function? Use something from his profile (like subtitle, identity) if his name alone gets a bunch of irrelevant results.
Anyway, I don't like Serela for scum, and if push comes to shove I'll make a town case for her... something I loath doing.
I'm not enthused about these wagons. I'm trying really hard to be gung-ho about it, but I don't feel like I have no name is scum, and I don't feel like Serela is anything but flailing derp. In theory there should have been more wagons but because people don't feel the need to have their votes anywhere..Then who do you think is scum/who do you want a wagon on?
You mean the wagon I left and urged not to have deliver the hammer on the bomb and my opener where I accuse you of being scum? Are.. are you trying to blame me for your own town wagon? Do you understand why I phrased my question like that? Your prodding seems too soft, if you're offended then say so and don't suck up to me because I'm confirmed town.I'm not offended or trying to blame you for Rawr's death, I'm ~annoyed~ because I get the impression you're apathetic about which wagons you're supporting with your vote and that you care less about playing just because you (and most other players) consider yourself confirmed town, meaning you don't have to look good.
Would you say most experienced posters tend to post similarly in most games they play in, regardless of alignment?He was actually looking at a game I wasn't scum in, assumably looking at scum-who-aren't-Serela, but
wordsthat's cool, but what do you think about the guy you're currently voting now that he's posted some more
Nameless: Where has ICE been defending Anthy? Please quote this specifically because I don't think it has ever happened.Ah, wait, I mis-remembered what was being said. Upon checking it was a sarcastic question I was remembering in which ICE called Anthy "obscum".
Vote: ShadyK
6. Votes must be bolded with the double octothorpes, as so: ##Vote: <player>. Same applies to unvotes.fakevote.
As people have mentioned, that vote on me was completely out of the blue and seemed like jumping on a bandwagon.
In addition, he completely disregarded the answer to his question I gave, and his reasoning for clearing Serela I fit all of them except D1 lurking.
he also distrusted my "sudden manipulation of opinions", which was me looking back at everything with a fresh mindset and realizing many of my original conclusions didn't make much sense.
Serela seemed to have IRL stuff which prevented his participation in the game.So lurking is town?
15. I will announce when LYLO or Pseudo-LYLO arrives.Okay, so he would. Serela, in theory, if you can shoot you would end the game. Why do you think this is not the case?
Yes, I'm sure I'm not a part of the scum quicktopic. Before someone asks. :VWhy would you flip out at the start of the game if you were just a mason/neighbor/whatever with ICE instead of a lone scumbuddy?
Why would you flip out at the start of the game if you were just a mason/neighbor/whatever with ICE instead of a lone scumbuddy?
Serious Meta Questioning. This worries me because it reminds me of that time PX claimed scum in his jokevote.
Dormio, why did you think PX would be more active on D1 in your #155 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg797627.html#msg797627) after he spent the last game lurking through it? You were his scumbuddy, so you should know what his scum D1 play was like.Actually that was the point where I gave up on him posting and decided that I would like to see his lynch.
Also, why is ShadyK on your ignore list? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg799215.html#msg799215) Why are you even ignoring players in the first place?Because I think that he's likely to be town. I tend to do this when I don't have as much time to devote to mafia as I would like.
Finally, why have you been so overly willing to drop your case on Nameless during various points throughout the game? You did this both on D1 and today.Because I keep double guessing myself on whether his behaviour could simply be caused by inexperience.
Noname I havent understood anything since the end of d1 :V Ok but lemme clarify somthing. There's no way Im with Affinity cuz he's the only one who has at one point actively voted me. Granted there could be some reverse psychology involved or whatever but I doubt it I mean just look at how in depth his arguments go. Then there's Anthy who said in #451 I'm somewhat scummy as well. I mean I doubt I'd be up for having either of my partners claim me as scum. But hey I guess that's a valid tactic. Alright so now Im thinking ICE+Shadoweh are town, noname is town, Serela will prove to be town or not after tonight, dormio/huhwhat are a tad iffy but I'm leaning toward town, so that leaves...Affinity and Anthy. Im thinking right now imma go withSo that puts us both on pretty much the same page. (As mentioned, I'm still a little skeptical of ICE+Shadoweh)
##Vote:Anthy
The way you acted d1 makes you a suspect. I remember how paranoid you were about that d1 mason claim which shouldnt make someone that uh paranoid.That and you called me a noob =(
Why would you flip out at the start of the game if you were just a mason/neighbor/whatever with ICE instead of a lone scumbuddy?What the hell does 'Just a mason' mean? I don't get off on claiming scum when no one notices, I play to win. Don't pin PX's meta on me. I'm a little upset right now because it's occured to me that as long as this paranoid scenario is possible I'm never going to get nightkilled. I promised Dan my flip would clarify everything but it doesn't matter if I can't frigging die. It tempts me to have Serela consider shooting one of us. But any chance of scum is better then none at all.
Nevermind, you guys have been calling him GreyICE the whole time, I'm sad now.I have been referring to him as ICE.
I'm pretty sure I'm 100% town actually. ^_^Hmmm, I think I remember you saying something that answers this...
if you were scum you would lie to us about that!Which is why 95% is as confident as I'm getting about anyone who's alignment I don't know (and I know between 1/3 and 1/2 of the player list's alignments, inclusive)
Noname I havent understood anything since the end of d1 :V Ok but lemme clarify somthing. There's no way Im with Affinity cuz he's the only one who has at one point actively voted me. Granted there could be some reverse psychology involved or whatever but I doubt it I mean just look at how in depth his arguments go. Then there's Anthy who said in #451 I'm somewhat scummy as well. I mean I doubt I'd be up for having either of my partners claim me as scum. But hey I guess that's a valid tactic. Alright so now Im thinking ICE+Shadoweh are town, noname is town, Serela will prove to be town or not after tonight, dormio/huhwhat are a tad iffy but I'm leaning toward town, so that leaves...Affinity and Anthy. Im thinking right now imma go with##VOTE SHADYSCUM
##Vote:Anthy
The way you acted d1 makes you a suspect. I remember how paranoid you were about that d1 mason claim which shouldnt make someone that uh paranoid.That and you called me a noob =(
his buddies.Explain? You said Serela was town, and the mod confirmed we're not in any form of LYLO.
Dormio wants to lynch me on the basis of the theory that I pointed out. :< Dormio dear, if I'm scum with ICEUh, what theory?
If you think I'm scum with GreyICE, why does Anthy come before ICE on your voting priorities instead of after?This is for today's priorities. Basically what I'm saying is that, if we were to lynch from the claimed mason pair, I would much rather have you lynched than GreyICE.
If you're prioritizing one over the other it means you don't believe we're both scum.I fail to see how this is the case.
Affinity, why does Serela get a pass for IRL issues preventing him from posting clearly when Nameless has cited them as well?
Affinity, what do you think of Anthy today? After all, you said he was worth looking into on D2 in your #326, but you dropped him completely after your first post of the day. It's weird that you said Serela was worth looking into as well, but then proceeded to give him passes all day while focusing on IHNM who was at the bottom of your list at the time. I'm not sure what sort of revelation could have caused this inconstency, so it seems possible that you were setting up a bunch of potential stances for whenever necessary.
Hi Anthy please put your vote down on someone kthxbye
Explain? You said Serela was town, and the mod confirmed we're not in any form of LYLO.Affinity.
I am with the school of thought that thinks Serela should be given a chance to prove his role tonight. Content-wise, he is still banal and needs to update his opinions on other people, but whatever.
##Unvote
##Vote: ShadyK
I'm pretty baffled by his arbitrary PoE in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg799856.html#msg799856) (e.g I happen to think X and Y as iffy but town but oh I'm left with two people and I need to vote one of them) as a reason to vote Anthy when he hadn't looked at him before, and I suppose I can level the same accusation at him as I did against IHNM with this post; that he is randomly heaving his weight on wagons for weak reasoning. ShadyK, if you are onto him for obvious D1 reasons that anyone could pick up without a reread, why didn't you suspect him at the beginning of D2? Same goes with his other actions of being 'easily influenced' in voting Serela and IHNM (even asking why he shouldn't be lynched at this point), only to suddenly think he is town for no reason. Combined with what I raised early D2, I suppose I prefer his lynch today.
On Anthy, I think his posts, apart from the fact that he makes no votes, are decent and original (e.g early D2 ShadyK stance, ICE stance D1 which I agreed with, etc.). While I somewhat understand his reasons for not voting in his first D2 post, his refusal to do so in subsequent posts strikes me as outright refusing to pick a stance and stick to it despite having the materials (e.g him noticing that IHNM and ShadyK jumped on his wagon) to do so. And all this after his confident ICE vote at the beginning of yesterday, which is off-putting. Anthy, would you mind telling us why you were so willing to vote ICE in D1 but not willing to vote anyone today? There's also the thing where the votes on him with the exception of huhwhat's have no reasoning to them at all, and I'm mainly getting the vibe that he's just someone who (wrongfully) does not take much value into votes. In the end, he's still a viable choice, if only because he didn't vote most of today and late D1, although my least favourite one for the above reasons.
I think Dormio's early D2 is admirable in his reasonable vote for IHNM and reasonable change to Serela, which strikes me as scumhunting. Not sure what to think of his telegraphed Shadoweh vote at the end, which seems reasonable enough discounting ShadowICE's mason claim, but I think him town in his actions despite his weak late D1.
huhwhat has been mostly pro-town looking for today in his constant questioning and stuff, but he has been iffy-looking on IHNM and ShadyK, defending them for what I see as inadequate reasons Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg799313.html#msg799313) he says that IHNM is the 'worst-looking wagon' even though he admitted that IHNM posted reads without justification, but he did not suspect anyone on the wagon other than Serela, and did not do anything to convince the people who were on that wagon, only offering reasoning when prompted (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg799694.html#msg799694). Also, he clears ShadyK for his 'softclaim' alone, which strikes me as somewhat weird and selective. Would like him to elaborate on this. Other than that he's mostly solid, but a IHNM, ShadyK flip will tell us more about him.
I'm still completely disgusted by IHNM frequent changes in opinion prompted by frequent 'rereads' and other excuses, While his case on me seems more like scumhunting compared to his previous votes, his Anthy vote came entirely out of nowhere and went from 'unmemorable' to 'lynchable' without any justification. That said, credit should be given when credit is due with his reasonable vote on me, which I guess makes me feel slightly better about him when compared to ShadyK.
There's no way Im with Affinity cuz he's the only one who has at one point actively voted me. Granted there could be some reverse psychology involved or whatever but I doubt it I mean just look at how in depth his arguments go. Then there's Anthy who said in #451 I'm somewhat scummy as well. I mean I doubt I'd be up for having either of my partners claim me as scum. But hey I guess that's a valid tactic.
God damnit Grey he can't be leaking his 'buddies' if there are only two of them. -_-
##Unvote
##Vote: Anthy
Affinity, if you're all up in the grills about horrible votes, how do you feel about that one Anthy just threw down and ran from the thread with?
Do you know what's actually going to happen if you push him up? He's just going to claim whatever roll he's got, then we get to lynch Anthy anyways, then he gets shot in the head overnight. SCUMSLIPS ARE MAGIC PIXIES THAT DO NOT FUCKING HAPPEN IN ACTUAL GAMESMy god
But he already townnnsliiiippeedddd aaaaaaaughSo ShadyK is treating Affinity like town all game
Affinity hasn't been panic voting him, he's been voting him for pretty much the entire game and Shady has been treating Affinity as town. Like this isn't like MS games where people have to get their instructions from each other in the thread, if he wanted Affinity to ease up he could be like HEY AFFINITY BUDDY PLZ STOP HITTIN ME in the QT
God damnit why do you always stop answering me right after I bring up something like how SERELA = TOWN MEANS THERE ARE NOT THREE SCUM. THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS FOR THERE TO BE NO PSUEDO-LYLO. No three scummies.OR IT MEANS THERE'S PROTECTIVE ROLES
The pain is making me just want to give up and follow but I do not want to start murdering newtown that we have agreed was newtown because you think he slipped scumbuddy stuff on someone we have also generally agreed is town. This is just chasing shadowehs!
DFGFGH DO YOU THINK MAYBE THAT'S WHY HE'S NOT VOTING AFFINITY
BECAUSE HE'S NOT SURE HE'S SCUM
HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO GET SHOT ANYWAYS
It's more like stop yelling in all caps or you will receive a penalty. I've been very lenient so far. Again and there will be consequences.Whatevs
Serela is scum and dies today. I can explain why his revised claim is bullshit if necessary.Alternately, I can just make this a 1v1 to save everybody some time. vOv
ShadyK. You said you were confused and bandwagoned your way through D2.This is scummy and you are instantly scummier for suggesting we lynch anybody before Serela's flip. How the fuck can you claim ShadyK's D2 is on the same level of bad as Serela's current situation?
Serela. The 'gambit' seemed to be a way to have you survive the day AND night.
Both of you give me 2 good reasons why you aren't scum, and the role PM doesn't count.
Who do we lynch first?
This is scummy and you are instantly scummier for suggesting we lynch anybody before Serela's flip. How the fuck can you claim ShadyK's D2 is on the same level of bad as Serela's current situation?Because I misunderstood the implications of what Serela said.
Additionally, Die as bulletproof makes absolutely no sense in terms of flavor.Whenever someone tries to attack me, I stick their pin in the doll and stay in a timeline where they're dead for the rest of the night!
Well, Serela is obvscum. There was literally no valid reason to fakeclaim nightvig as town knowing it would screw up everybody's perception of the number of scum and other information about the set-up.
If he was town, the three scum (due to it being a 7P LyLO) would probably have known that Serela was not a real nightvig since it was not psuedo-LyLO yesterday, and there was no way he would have been NK'ed.I didn't realize this ;_;
huhwhat, I don't believe you have answered my question, but why is ShadyK town to you in your last collection of reads here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg799850.html#msg799850) without elaboration other than the 'softclaim'? Given that he was the major wagon yesterday other than Anthy, I'm not getting good vibes from the way you handwaved away the ShadyK wagon without looking into the (valid) reasons people had voted him for.The reason I trusted the softclaim is because I had trouble believing newbscum would think to set up a breadcrumb at the start of the day when only under one vote. It would have been totally overreactionary and only served to draw attention when he turns up alive and not roleblocked on a later day.
OH WHOOPS
Sorry ICE, I didn't realize what I was doing. You have touched my heart and I have seen the light.
##Unvote
I see a reason not to lynch me! I'm not scum, of course. I thought you knew this yesterday? Oh, how the times have changed, and how I long for yesterday.
...wait, what am I saying? I have no heart.
##Vote ICE
I don't actually think you're a third party, that's my job!Let's start simple.
Of course, I might be able to change my mind if you give me a convincing case on the matter :3
I'm Doc Scratch.Lies, because:
I'll be your host and mod, Hanged Lord Hourai English. Doc Kitten4UScratch will also be co-modding.
Second is nameless, his post was 'oh shit, we missed a town power role.'uhhhh....sorry to burst your bubble, but no, it wasn't. IF I were scum, I'd have petitioned a NK on Serela yesterday (before today, because I didn't know Serela was lying until today, although I suspected it yesterday), due to being a power role. Also scum NKing Shadoweh is good for them because only Dormio thought she could have been scum at the time, so they aren't getting rid of someone we suspect, narrowing the pool down.
Affinity. You are scummy.ShadyK, you didn't post at all D3. I won't hold it against you as you weren't even here.
ShadyK. You said you were confused and bandwagoned your way through D2.
Shady, just out of curiousity did you try to follow anyone N2?I said it was every other night so I was unable to follow on n2
I said it was every other night so I was unable to follow on n2I missed that part, I was too busy thinking "wait, wouldn't Trace be the trailsmaster?". So I went and checked MSPA and saw both could fit the role.
I'm Clover. Due to my immense luck, I of course ended up with the strongest mafia role,I'd think that Clover would be bulletproof flavorwise because http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003226Kevorkian Doctor Jesus Who Is Also Secretly A Town BulletproofVanilla Townie. So yeah, The Felt Vanilla Member.
I'd think that Clover would be bulletproof flavorwise because http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003226So would I, but vOv.
the IRL pass Serela received from Affinity on D2 seems contrived when you consider that Affinity gave Serela no grace for being scummy back when Serela was not an actual wagon target.Keep in mind Affinity didn't give me an IRL pass the same day. Also I've been saying Affinity is scummy for a while now. If I were scum, I wouldn't be trying to get rid of him.
Nameless' reluctance to put Serela at L-1 in his #492 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg799423.html#msg799423) could be interpreted as a desire not to bus the team's roleblocker as well.I'll admit that trying to use other games as reasoning for why is stupid and that's I wasn't thinking then. However, I didn't want a quicklynch of anyone at the time and putting someone at L-1 enables that. If Serela were town (something that, even despite a scumread at the time, I kept in mind as a possibility since I was confused), the scum could quickhammer.
just a few posts ago, Nameless had claimed that Serela was one of his greatest town reads. Last minute distancing? I'd like Nameless to explain what his thought processes regarding Serela were throughout D2.Serela throughout D2...I kept flipping back and forth on almost everybody, I was confused through most of the day. I do remember that late D2 I honestly thought Serela was town though.
Keep in mind Affinity didn't give me an IRL pass the same day. Also I've been saying Affinity is scummy for a while now. If I were scum, I wouldn't be trying to get rid of him.I would link you to the MafiaScum wiki article on bussing, presumably followed by a link to nope.avi, but the wiki unfortunately appears to be down.
However, I didn't want a quicklynch of anyone at the time and putting someone at L-1 enables that. If Serela were town (something that, even despite a scumread at the time, I kept in mind as a possibility since I was confused), the scum could quickhammer.Scum don't quicklynch outside of LYLO unless by mistake. Townies don't quicklynch unless by mistake either, and mistakes are both rare and can be circumvented by claiming your target is at L-1 when you vote them. Not seeing a good reason for you to avoid actually pressuring Serela when you thought he was scum.
Scum don't quicklynch outside of LYLO unless by mistake. Townies don't quicklynch unless by mistake either, and mistakes are both rare and can be circumvented by claiming your target is at L-1 when you vote them. Not seeing a good reason for you to avoid actually pressuring Serela when you thought he was scum.Case in point. I was supposed to know this, on my first play, how?
Well, generally, it's good to lurk mafia games and read archives before joining any.I kind of jumped into this one after following IMP Mafia because I thought it looked fun.
I missed that part, I was too busy thinking "wait, wouldn't Trace be the trailsmaster?". So I went and checked MSPA and saw both could fit the role.
Since huh what didn't specify who next, I'll go.
I'm Doze, Vanilla Felt Member.
ICE?
I'd think that Clover would be bulletproof flavorwise because http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003226
Oh wait, scum have the option to not nightkill. That makes this gambit pointless.Okay.
I am indeed the town bulletproof. Rolename is The Felt Riddler.
Okay.Was hoping scum would shoot me and confirming me at town N4. It wasn't particularly likely, but I was on Serela all of D2 enough that it was possibly if they thought they'd have the lowest chance of of convincing and/or lynching me for whatever reason. Claiming it outright immediately would have been a waste.
Explain why the claim changed and what the gambit was.
Unless you think anyone would really shoot you.
As for the flavor, Clover is incredibly lucky and any attempts to kill him will fail.As I mentioned.
To expand on the breadcrumb, Kevorkian Doctor Jesus was basically my role last game (doc that lost powers by suiciding and returning in 72 hours then vigging immediately, hence kevorkian doctor + jesus roles). Bulletproof was not part of my role last game, I specifically added it in to crumb that I was lying about my VT claim in case it was necessary.Ah, so it was you, not Serela.
...okay, well, ICE/Nameless could be buddies, I guess, but I strongly doubt that. <_<Yeah there's no way that's possible at all. If Affinity isn't scum then I just dont know who is >.>
Nameless, I didn't change my claim in response to you because I had already secretly claimed Bulletproof in my initial claimpost. That's what breadcrumbs are for.Huh. Must have missed that. Somehow.
Anything we're waiting on before I should go ahead and end the day? I'd like to hear some last opinions from GreyICE, if any, since he's probably dying tonight.
Pull a Bard and tell the mod to end the night early when you send in the kill then :TNow how I could I do that seeing as I'm town.
Although honestly last 3 alive are probably going to be me, ICE and huh what, with votes on each other, leaving me with a 50% chance of guessing right. Just like I thought would happen but hoped wouldn't.Why kill ShadyK over ICE? I don't think anybody seriously buys ICE as scum at this point. I've considered him obvtown all game, and you seem intent on lynching me.
.___________________.Sorry, but one serela was quite enough~
Serela is scum and dies today. I can explain why his revised claim is bullshit if necessary.
Bomb in particular is a notable possibility for his role, since Dan implied there are multiple bombs.If I'm a scum bomb then town loses if I go first. Of course worrying about that is null due to me being Vanilla town.
This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12167.msg799903.html#msg799903) is notable as well. He wanted either Affinity or Anthy lynched, but he did absolutely nothing to push for Affinity's lynch despite voting Affinity, instead just going along with the Anthy wagon. Since Serela was dead at the time, lynching Affinity would have resulted in Nameless having to solo the rest of the game following Serela's death, giving him a fair reason to not attempt to get the lynch he apparently desired.That was D2. I didn't think Affinity had any chance of being lynched at the time, so I went with my other scum-pick. Also I was confused then.
Also, Serela and Affinity both have histories of lynching their buddies very often, for whatever that's worth. <_< Serela in particular has trouble voting anybody other than his buddies as scum, which makes a "bus Nameless" plan seem more reasonable to me. Pretty much all of his attacks on other players but his Nameless vote this game were terrible (and even the Nameless vote didn't look that great).Hypocritical. You got mad at me for supposedly using meta to incriminate Serela, and now you're using player history to 'prove' that I'm scum.
:metaarguments:
Were I to base this solely on play, it'd be 110% nameless.>.>
Of course mafia is a team game. And certain things make me iffy.Yes listen to this wise man.
Serela (3) - huhwhat, Dormio, ShadowehFTFY. I see this more as scum going "ok, everyone thinks there's 2 scum, so which town do we vote on...let's go with the one most likely to be mis-lynched!"
I have no name (2) - Affinity, Serela
Affinity (1) - I have no name
Nameless scum means this day is weird to the point of being nigh on inexplicable.ding ding ding ding ding we have a winner. If I were scum, this would have gone down soooo much differently.
You have 2 choices.If we don't lynch scum two days in a row, I lose anyway.
Unvote or lose as Affinity quickhammers.
If we don't lynch scum two days in a row, I lose anyway.I know that. But Affinity's role could help get the last one, as you yourself said.
UnvoteDON'T FORGET THE '#'s
Nameless, who are eggs and biscuit?Eggs and Biscuits are 12 and 13 of the felt (due to dozen and baker's dozen).
If I'm a scum bomb then town loses if I go first. Of course worrying about that is null due to me being Vanilla town.
I say get rid of Affinity now then target the last scum D5.First of all, scum powers with extra kills are usually turned off in LYLO to prevent town from losing by not being as right as they could be.
Hypocritical. You got mad at me for supposedly using meta to incriminate Serela, and now you're using player history to 'prove' that I'm scum.Your meta on Serela was based on scum who weren't Serela in an entirely different game situation. The meta you used was irrelevant to Serela's alignment. The meta I provided was relevant to the play of Affinity and Serela.
Second, you're trying to stall and get Affinity lynched so you can eave the decision up to the guy less likely to lynch you. <_<I'll admit this is true because I don't to lose because the scum framed me, I'd rather try to win and I can't do that if I'm mis-lynched.
That doesn't work if you're town, because then scum is perfectly capable of, you know, shooting the guy less likely to lynch you. You only control the kill if you're scum.Well yeah. You know I'm going to go back wondering what the heck just happened in the new Homestuck update since clearly trying to defend myself here is pointless.
Wait are you guys saying even though I tracked noname last night and he didnt visit the nk that he's still scum? I guess that could be a scum power being able to not be tracked but Im having a hard time believing that if this is the case.I don't see why scum couldn't have sent Affinity out on the kill.
Note that he was fine when it was implied he'd have to hammer Serela if Serela got lynched. He would have known Serela wasn't a bomb.D2, I thought I was dead no matter what, hammering a scum!bomb would be the best way to go out I figured.
I'm... honestly not sure why scum would be so willing to throw their Godfather under the bus,Your assumption that that is my "true" role is based on a post from my D2. I was confused then.
It also feels like after Serela died, scum's gameplan shifted to having Nameless bus everybody, hence why he was on Serela and Affinity ASAP with no regard to how close he was pushing them toward a lynch.Because then I figured out "hey those are scum let's lynch 'em"
I don't see why scum couldn't have sent Affinity out on the kill.
I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say that Nameless might be a Godfather (BP + town scanning variant), as I distinctly recall him requesting the town cop to scan him, and that's a blatant Godfather tell. His hesitance to hammer PX D1 would still make sense, since it would out him as being bulletproof if flavor confirmed that PX was a bomb, and he could possibly get in trouble with a potential real bulletproof. Note that he was fine when it was implied he'd have to hammer Serela if Serela got lynched. He would have known Serela wasn't a bomb.
Affinity is probably a bomb or a strongman or something. Strongman is only likely if Dormio was a doc variant.
I'm... honestly not sure why scum would be so willing to throw their Godfather under the bus, but in a bastard game where a cop's sanity can't really be accounted for in the first place, I imagine a roleblocker would still be more valuable, and they had already gotten rid of the bomb. It also feels like after Serela died, scum's gameplan shifted to having Nameless bus everybody, hence why he was on Serela and Affinity ASAP with no regard to how close he was pushing them toward a lynch.
Affinity...should not have been that high on my list. That was me taking a vote way too personally. Mostly unmemorable.
Affinity. You are scummy.
Just cuz Im online doesnt mean Im looking at this thread all the time. Questions hmmm I guess I'll have to reread the thread and get back to you guys on that.
What happened?The re-read happened.
an intended D2 mislynch. I see nothing pointing to scum specifically trying to frame you. All their relations to you are subliminal enough that the notion of intentional ties is pretty ridiculous here.This is probably more accurate.
I could have re-read the thread sooner compiling a list of reasons why Affinity is scum. Doing so now would do absolutely nothing though since Affinity is obvscum and I'm already suspect for having not done so.Seriously man, were you in my shoes, why would you vote for Holy What over you?
(also the mafiascum wiki is back up)
Holy What, what were your thoughts when Serela claimed your PR?"Oh hey, desperate scum is trying to survive longer with a rushed revised fakeclaim, fuck off."
Seriously man, were you in my shoes, why would you vote for Holy What over you?honestly, I probably wouldn't.
honestly, I probably wouldn't.To elaborate on this: by process of elimination you have a player that has [unknowingly] exhibited scumtells most of the game. I'm going to say that's probably just the playstyle I adopted.
Shady... you literally can do nothing scummy at this point in time. You are confirmed town.Asking the other new player for advice.
I'm asking for your input because we can't lynch scum without your help.
Nameless, what do you think you could have done to push Affinity harder?by basically saying "Why shouldn't I vote you???" Honestly right now I see 1 scum 4 town, which means I'm wrong on one of 3.
Inbetween those there was... very little discussion with Affinity.You also ignored my response to this, quoting 2 of my posts but ignoring the fact that I mentioned I re-read in that time.
What happened?
Soooo, Huh what, Nameless, and Affinity, one of you is town.Also what happened to this? I know you looked over stuff (and had a big long explanation of how I'm scum), but what happened to this?
Haha.
Spoilers.
It's nameless, neh?
An ICE/Affinity scumteam could have quickhammered you by now.Right, vote meta in LYLO supersedes all when it comes to quickhammers...since I'm town, Shady could have quickhammered, ICE could have kept his vote on, that leaves Affinity, who is known scum, and you, who right now have your vote parked on me. (as most likely mis-lynch)
Right, vote meta in LYLO supersedes all when it comes to quickhammers...since I'm town, Shady could have quickhammered, ICE could have kept his vote on, that leaves Affinity, who is known scum, and you, who right now have your vote parked on me. (as most likely mis-lynch)If you knew this, then why did you attempt to push for him at the last minute in the first place? Your last two posts look like you saw ICE's post, assumed you couldn't get me lynched over you, and tried to switch targets. <_<
Urgh, your response to me implied that you knew before I said so.I figure out a lot of stuff after a get a small prod in the right direction :V
I thought I'd lose because Nameless was derptowning the fuck out for the last 24 hours or so. Oh well.*sigh*
I had fun. D1 was terrible (what the FUCK px?) but the rest of the game was pretty enjoyable, though I'm not really fond of being scum.
I crumbed this in that post where I crumbed every power role ever.That was explicitly intended to be a breadcrumb, though, since the original Kanaya role was not bulletproof.
Even bothered to look up one of Holy What's scum games (Cavalier of the Abyss or some shit like that) and... *sigh*Also, this was probably your best bet at meta-reading me, since I thought my scumplay was pretty Iffrita-ish this game. Pretty lucky that Schezo dropped out of the game at the last moment. <_<
6. Votes must be bolded with the double octothorpes, as so: ##Vote: <player>. Same applies to unvotes.Actually...we haven't lost yet.
Vote: NamelessI see no '##' there.
(Fakevote gambits based off of syntax are eww and not all mods will let them fly btw.)I was thinking an unvote in 1pt font though
Dormio was a good guy this time Dan. Don't be a hater just because of Diplomacy :V
Well God Damn.
Why the Fuck did people vote Px D1 HOLY SHIT, What the fuck were people thinking.
Hey GreyIce, this is why you don't fucking insult the shit out of noobs who play 1000% better than you. I'm not even fucking joking. Your methods of scumhunting amounted to "THIS GUY IS OBVSCUM LYNCH LYNCH" And that went on for 3 days straight.
Yes Px could have fucking tried harder when I was basically confirming him as town. I pity Shadoweh who was prolly yelled at to vote Px who she thought was town, of course she did town no favors by claiming masons. That just gave more credibility to the ridiculousness that was Ice. Dormio was useless. The fuck were you doing Fosing me and Shadoweh D1? I honestly can't blame Rawr at all for giving in to his anger at GreyIce but that exchange clouded the thread. Especially those posts by affinity which I was trying to keep an eye on.
Do not ever assume scum killed a person because of their reads. I would have gone after affinity full force D2 not IHNN. Scum kill people based on how town they look or if they suspect a powerrole, and Grey honestly should know this but why you tried to justify yourself voting for derpy play over obvscum HW is beyond me.
Grey thought Serela was obvtown :D
Dormio, you should just vote for the first person you protect. GET A VIG.
The Bacon Cave, with 95% less Bacon (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/vvwQMT83F7aP)
There's a flavour of pie that people here need. And it's not oppai.
Apple?
4 scumpicks in a 12 player game, pretty slick set-up speculation 8)
If you're town, you should be explaining why you'd like to lynch them, assuming you want people to listen to you after you die.
Actually, your stated reason for not having a scumread on Serela, and I did ask you, was because..Oh right, that. It was miserable.
"Because Nameless is on the wagon, and nameless' wagon hop was MISERABLE."
Well, prepare to be in for some disappointment.
no one reached out to anyone
Oh man I totally forgot to have you ask Dormio if he wanted to form a ~*~Townie Voting Block~*~
It was on my list of things to do Day 1 but I forgot about it.
The Dormio that voted you and Fosed me?(It's because Dormio has a known love for townie voting blocks as seen in NotV.)
All game reading along I had this burning desire to lynch ICE. Sadly a replacement was never needed so my time to shine was never.Bardiche, I don't mean to be arrogant, but we're I scum you never would have touched me.
On that note, it's been a while since we had a 0 replacement/modkill game. Good job to all involved.
Stop being rageturds.
PX, playing TECHIES was lynched.
Affinity, playing Clubs Deuce, Midnight Crew Bomb has won.[/color]
Huh what, playing Hearts Boxcars, Midnight Crew Rolecop has won.
Serela, playing Spades Slick, Midnight Crew Roleblocker has won.
He totes would have been Shady and tracked you >:ono im not aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Incidentally Shady was the most adorable thing this game. Cute little newbies. *_*
I had a feeling Clubs Deuce was a dud bomb honestly.
Because C4 isn't a volatile explosive :V
Ah well, at least by losing we followed the Homestuck canon (so I'll just say losing this game was a constant across all timelines)
DON'T WORRY SHADYKTHANK GOD CAUSE I WASNT SAYING MUCH IN THEM ANYWAY
I DON'T THINK I ACTUALLY READ YOUR POSTS
If Affinity and HW are scum, I'm going to cry.ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff-
N2 protect HW again.
Watch as he turns out to be scum.
"I hope i have no name self hammers"
GRRRR
NEXT GAME WE BOTH PLAY RAWR YOU ARE MY OPENING VOTE FOR THAT
"I keep wondering if IHNN RL ATE was real but made it easier to fake scum ate. " (ActionDan)
completely real.
"> Nameless is a godfather
> No cops or vigs" (Shadoweh)
I thought I was obvnoobderptown?
Yeah I am sad Dormio didn't protect either me or Shadoweh D1 and didn't protect Shadoweh D2.I was too busy protecting the scum two nights in a row.
After i got up I was going to make a case on huh what, but I woke up to being dead.
VOTECOUNT:Oh wait.
huh what (0) -
ShadyK (0) -
I have no name (3) - huhwhat, ICE, Affinity
Affinity (1) - i have no name
ICE (0) -
Not Voting: ShadyK
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The deciding lynch for the fate of The Felt was decided and as they strung up the noose, some could feel the uneasiness in the air. Examining the body, they found that their fate was sealed as the dead was not Midnight Crew. Removing their disguise, the last two Midnight Crew revealed themselves and picked up their weapons. The Felt, knew that they were now outpowered and that there was nothing they could do to stop them.
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I have no name, playing Doze, The Felt Vanilla member was lynched Day 4.
"Coffin cloggers, all of you."
Affinity, playing Clubs Deuce, Midnight Crew Bomb has won.
Huh what, playing Hearts Boxcars, Midnight Crew Rolecop has won.
Serela, playing Spades Slick, Midnight Crew Roleblocker has won.
ShadyK, playing Fin, The Felt Trailmaster has lost.
ICE, playing Biscuits, The Felt Neighbor has lost.Scum Win
Stuff to come later coming later.
Affinity was a bomb.Except for the part where he wasn't.
Affinity was a bomb.
I had a feeling Clubs Deuce was a dud bomb honestly.Read more Homestuck ICE, I wasn't worried about a Midnight Crew bomb for that very reason.
Because C4 isn't a volatile explosive :V
If you read the notes or other people, you would know that Affinity was a dud and would not explode. :V..............................
"> Nameless is a godfatherThat was the point. Apparently you were a scum roll made to counter two town powers that didn't exist. That's how amazing huh what is.
> No cops or vigs" (Shadoweh)
I thought I was obvnoobderptown?
What a surprise! he flipped townie.Best post in the graveyard.
Welcome Hw! Mister Scum NK
Welcome Affinity! Selera's vig
Welcome Selera! You shot a bomb 8)
...
You seriously think scum is going to respond to getting pushed to L-2 by fakeclaiming CONFIRMED TOWN MASON?
Losing scum on Day 1 is awful enough for the scum team in a Role Madness game, since they need all the roles and numbers they can get. But if they claim mason and one gets lynched, the other will follow, meaning they lose TWO.
And even if they survive D1, if they survive to LYLO they're going to be cast under major suspicion. Masons just isn't a good scum fakeclaim. It wouldn't be too hard for them to just push the PX counterwagon harder... which, by the way, GreyICE isn't even doing. He's focusing on scumhunting and not surviving, which is townie.
Seriously, guys, stop being stubborn and get your votes off the obvtown.
@Dan #819: Rage much?
"This playerlist seems kinda slanted. Kill GreyICE N1, kill Shadoweh N2 then kill Dan N3 for a presumable win? "Really, all the other townies (except for Dormio) were either inexperienced or PX. :T What else was I supposed to conclude?
T_T
Everybody else seemed incredibly narrow-minded, with the exception of Shadoweh, who I avoid NKing on policy because it's funny to watch her shout "WHY AM I STILL ALIVE? ;_;" in LYLO as town. Until she lynches scum, anyway.It is not funny! ;_; I am a strong and capable butterfly! >_<
It is not funny! ;_; I am a strong and capable chaos butterfly! >_<