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~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: PX on September 14, 2011, 12:49:07 AM

Title: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 14, 2011, 12:49:07 AM
Mahou Shoujo.

The wish of all little girls, who want to fly through the sky while fighting evil.

However, the true nature of Mahou Shoujo is far from this. And you are beginning to find out.


- /人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\

Rules (shamelessly stolen):
<0> I am the Mod thy God. If a dispute arises, my decision is final. That said, I am not infallible - if I make a mistake or you have a question, please inform me of the problem (preferably via PM or bold text) and I will correct it. This rule takes priority over every other rule, no exceptions.
<0a> Bold indicates the word of Mod and means that is the absolute truth.
<1> This is a game. I hope that you have fun. In return, I ask that you not have your fun at the expense of the other players in this game (in other words, don't be a jackass). Repeated or extreme violations of this rule will result in replacement or modkill.
<1a> Attempting to use loopholes in the rules to gain an advantage in the game is considered jackassery, and will be treated as such. This applies to things like encrypted codes, invisible text, editing and deleting posts, etc. Please, use your common sense!
<2> If there is a conflict between a role and the rules, the role wins.
<3> Claiming that another player is your scumbuddy will result in a modkill.
<4> Quoting private communications (role PM, mason conversations, etc.) or pretending to do the same will result in a modkill. Paraphrasing, however, is not only acceptable but encouraged unless I explicitly say otherwise.
<5> You may not talk with other people about this game outside of the thread (but see Rule 2).
<6> Votes should be in Bold and use the format ##Vote: Player. You need to ##Unvote to vote again. Any votes not using this format will be void and unaccounted for.
<7> The Day ends when one person has a majority of the votes. You may not talk after a hammer (lynching vote) has been reached.
<8> Day lasts 72 hours and Night lasts 24 hours.
⑨ If nobody has a majority of votes at the end of the day, then the day ends in a No Lynch
<10> When you die, stop posting. You may make a single "Bah!"/"Frak you!"/etc. post in the thread. You may not include game content in this post. In addition, once you are dead, please do not discuss the game with anyone other than the Mod until the game is over, as this makes the mod's life easier.
<11> Players who have not posted in 24 hours will be prodded. Acquire a few and I may be forced to modkill/replace you.
<12> Players may only use one special ability per day/night cycle (but see rule 2)
<13> Do not try to outguess the mod. Please, don't attempt it.
<14> Your alignments are the color of your name, and are in bold in the role PMs. PM me if you have a questions.
<15> I reserve the right to change any rule in case things happen.
<16>  Any rules after this one takes priority over other rules, other than Rule 0.
<17> Dead people may post during the day, but not vote.
<18> The two people who have the highest amount of votes are lynched at the end of the day if either deadline is reached or someone is lynched. If there is a tie for second most votes, then all of those tied for second most votes are lynched.
<19> Instead of voting to lynch, you vote for a king. Whoever gets a majority vote for king chooses who gets lynched.
<20> The number of players alive in each faction are revealed. This rule is permanent.
<21> Players cannot Unvote.

Phase: Day 5

Alive
1. Zakeri
2. Youkai Jesus Lady LambdaDelta
4. Rikter Affinity
7. J.O.B capt. h

Expired Souls
6. NeoSerela, Sailor Moon Cosplayer NeoSerela, Townie Wagon Cop, Lynched D1
5. Polaris, Neo-Master Alice Seno, Townie Hider, Died N1
13. ActionDan, Pretty Sammy Sasami Kawai, Mafia Roleblocking Godmother, Lynched D2
3. Shadoweh, Magical Girl Fate Testarossa, 3rd Party Serial Killer, Lynched D2
8. huh what, Prisma Illyasviel von Einzburn, Townie Jack of all Vigs, Killed N2
9. Hero999, Mew Mew Ichigo Momomiya, Townie Role Cop, Lynched D3
12. Bardiche, Magical Moerin Moeyama, Townie Non-magical Vanilla Townie, Killed N3
10. Dormio, Masou Shoujo Ayumu Aikawa, Mafia Zombie, Lynched D4
11. Chaore, Strike Witch Yoshika Miyafuji, Townie Doctor, Killed N4

Banished From History

Links
End of Day 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716423.html#msg716423)
End of Day 2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717477.html#msg717477)
End of Day 3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg720429.html#msg720429)
End of Day 4 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg722338.html#msg722338)
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: PX on September 14, 2011, 12:50:19 AM
Role PMs have been sent. Please confirm in thread.

Game is now in Confirmation Phase/Night 0. Day 1 shall start in either 24 hours or when all players have confirmed.

Also, stfu about it not being Saturday :V.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: Hero999 on September 14, 2011, 12:57:13 AM
/confirm
and
##Vote PX
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 01:01:37 AM
Confirmmeedddd
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: Polaris on September 14, 2011, 01:02:25 AM
Confirming. :L
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 01:04:48 AM
Confirmed.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 14, 2011, 01:09:45 AM
おれがゾムビすー。とまそう少女すー。
None of you know how fragile your daily life is.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: Rikter on September 14, 2011, 01:10:52 AM
confirming.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: Chaore on September 14, 2011, 01:11:27 AM
confirm

no letterplay this time

just confirm
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: ActionDan on September 14, 2011, 01:47:38 AM
confirming that shadoweh is the N0 NK.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 14, 2011, 03:21:27 AM
I've confirmed a hundred Mafia games before, and I shall confirm a thousand more if it means I'll see you one day without tears on your face.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 04:06:10 AM
A WHOLE NEW WORLD
A NEW FANTASTIC POINT OF VIEW
/confirm
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 14, 2011, 05:04:34 AM
/confirm
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2011, 05:08:10 AM
Everyone: SHADOWEH GO POST IN MAFIA SO WE CAN QUICKLYNCH YOU ON IRC
God I'm here, confirm!
My role pm only fills me with the urge to consume MORE ALCOHOL!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: J.O.B on September 14, 2011, 05:45:03 AM
/confirm
Hooray! It's my first non-anon game!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: PX on September 14, 2011, 06:16:30 AM
13/13 Confirmed. It is now Day 1.

Votecount:

Not voting: Everyone

13 Alive, 7 to Lynch.

NEW RULE ADDED
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 14, 2011, 06:18:15 AM
<17> Dead people may post during the day, but not vote.
What.

Also:
##Vote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 06:19:07 AM
##Vote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: J.O.B on September 14, 2011, 06:20:01 AM
##Vote:Shadoweh
Because :Shadoweh: and day 1 quicklynch.

Also it feels really weird to not be posting in an anon account.
Cut 2 times.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 14, 2011, 06:31:25 AM
My role pm only fills me with the urge to consume MORE ALCOHOL!
Interpreting this as soft third party claim.
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 06:37:10 AM
##Unvote



##Vote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 06:39:38 AM
##Unvote

##Vote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia (Confirmation Phase/Night 0)
Post by: Chaore on September 14, 2011, 06:42:15 AM
so px is a lying cockbite. despite his claims of there being no hydra, there is a hydra. Namely, me.

I am the hydra. It is me.

My partner is currently incapable of saying anything in the thread directly as we are not a Ukdowehian hydra and can only chat through our qt and irc. so to get my partner's thoughts across i'll be posting logs. starting now.

Quote
<Chaore> okay so partner
<Chaore> @say hi
<Keine-tan> No.
<Chaore> ...>:
<Keine-tan> Everyone already knows me anyway. Let's just get to catching scum.
<Chaore> fair enough
<Chaore> who are WE voting for?
<Chaore> @dice 1d12
<Keine-tan> Roll a thirteen.
<Chaore> what but that'd include me
<Keine-tan> Roll it anyway.
<Chaore> @dice 1d13
<Keine-tan> 7

##Vote: J.O.B.

Edit: ...what. keine i think you need to look at thi-

Quote
<Keine-tan> No.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 14, 2011, 06:43:16 AM
What the fuck?
##Unvote
##Vote Chaore
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 14, 2011, 06:45:02 AM
The Tsundere Votecount!
Shadoweh (3) - Dormio, huh what, Zakeri, J.O.B, huh what, huh what
J.O.B (1) - Chaore
Chaore (1) - Dormio

Not voting: Everyone else

Day 1 ends in ~71.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 14, 2011, 06:46:19 AM
@huh what: Is there any particular reason you feel the need to have voted for Shadoweh three times?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 06:47:15 AM
Maybe.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 06:50:35 AM
Also, is your vote for Chaore serious or not?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 14, 2011, 06:53:24 AM
Phoneposting hi everyone!

##Vote: huh what
Huh wha isn't being very cool right now. :L
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 14, 2011, 07:02:56 AM
At first, I thought that the Shadoweh wagon had somehow gotten to 5 votes and I was wondering what the hell was going on. And then I realized that three of the votes were huh what. :/

@huh what: It is serious.
I am voting for Chaore because he used Keine to decide on his RVS vote.
The RVS stage may give town very little information, but deciding your RVS vote via. RNG denies town even that little piece of information.

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 07:20:52 AM
... what.

##Unvote
##Vote Dormio

People jokevote with the RNG all the time. Your vote is the wrong kind of tryhard, IMO.
The worst parts about Chaore's post are totally unrelated to him using Keine. That said, I don't actually suspect him.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 14, 2011, 07:28:26 AM
Posting here before I go to bed.  Looks ugly already.  However,  I agree with Dormio about the RVS votes.  They should be made on the spot and should be largely spontaneous.  I simply don't understand what could have prompted Chaore to post that.  Moreover, the vote on job seems not just to be purely random anyway because Chaore is makes a quip about "Keine-tan's" vote which suggests that voting Job is a bad choice.   Chaore, what do you think of Job right now?   It's clear that you think something about him, or at least about voting him. 

##: Vote Chaore

Polaris, what don't you like about HW's posts specifically, or is it just that you don't like him for voting the same person 3 times in a row?  I don't feel comfortable with your post.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 14, 2011, 07:31:24 AM
They do? I don't recall any other occasion where it's been used aside from by me when I was scum.
And I just read Chaore's post again. And I completely missed the first section about the hydra somehow. I shouldn't try to write up posts in the middle of a lecture.
And so I'll post again when I get home.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 07:33:22 AM
Jokevoting with the RNG is a null tell. It's something people have done regardless of alignment in past games. I'm not sure why it's being twisted into a scumtell here, and Dan agreeing with you baffles me.

Regardless, you are voting somebody for inoptimal play in the RVS rather than for scumminess.

This is the kind of "first serious vote" that scum would make, because it's not actually trying to look for scum intent.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: J.O.B on September 14, 2011, 07:42:49 AM
I kinda agree with Dormio that it doesn't give town any information really. But I disagree that it's a scumtell.

@Huhwhat: What exactly was your reason for voting Shadoweh three times like that?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: J.O.B on September 14, 2011, 07:43:28 AM
EBWOP: "That it doesn't really give town any information"
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2011, 09:20:52 AM
What, you only got me up to four votes? Please, I get these wagons in my sleep.
Too bad you suckers missed your chances to quicklynch me. It's too late now scumbags, Shadoweh is back and IT'S TOWNIE TIME, BABY!

Dormio: Weirdly I agree with Dormio about using the RNG to vote. It's a hated enough tactic that it's banned in many games. What I find weird is hearing this logic from him of all people. This is something I'd expect an MSer to say and even then regard it as the worst kind of nulltell, I don't remember you ever caring. Basing it out of you past experience as scum doesn't mean the tell can be applied to anyone equally.

Chaore: Chaore's post itself is full of the blatant silly that scum is too chicken to use. Also we should all be sheeping to Keine just because it's Keine.

huh what: So what are the worst parts of Chaore's post? Also, not posting a text wall Day 1, is this a town trait or scum trait for you? Don't try to lie to me young man, I'll go read every game you've been in. =.=

J.O.B.: Why do you disagree it's a scumtell? In your Own Opinion (TM). You're probably town again anyways.

Well I don't actually want to vote any of these people yet. Therefore: Puppies!

##Vote: Zakeri


Hey you get a special mention here because I forgot your post and that's bad.
Polaris:
Phoneposting hi everyone!

##Vote: huh what
Huh wha isn't being very cool right now. :L
Hi, what does not being very cool mean besides 'Trying really hard like a huh what'?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: J.O.B on September 14, 2011, 09:24:23 AM
I think it's not a scumtell (aka I think it's a nulltell) because I've seen other people do it before (I think), and they didn't always turn out to be scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2011, 10:02:40 AM
I know you think you answered my question, but you didn't. Your answer is too vague, like saying "It's in that place I put that thing that time!" Where did you see it happen before?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: J.O.B on September 14, 2011, 10:09:05 AM
I can't remember exactly which game I saw it in, and I don't have the patience to check, but I'm 90% sure it was in a previous game during RVS.
Knowing how many times you read past games you should prbably remember which game it is.
But I would still consider it a null tell anyway because :idontknowwhotovote:
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: J.O.B on September 14, 2011, 10:26:46 AM
I decided to look back anyway and I noticed in JJBM Dormio used Keine to decide between two people to random vote, and in that game, Dormio was town.
I don't think that was my original example though. But it still works as an example.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 14, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
I like how Shadoweh immediately dismisses J.O.B. as asap town. Confident much?

##Vote Shadoweh

and I feel Huh what to give me some bad feelings...inability to explain it though.

I believe both Dormio and Chaore's actions are null tells.
Dormios actions have pretty much quick lynched RVS as using a RNG is more detrimental to town then helpful. However Chaore's RNG roll is still considered a Null-tell for me due to being in RVS.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: J.O.B on September 14, 2011, 11:46:15 AM
So yeah did that actually answer your question Shadoweh?

Also I should probably get a more serious vote down.
##Unvote
##Vote:Chaore

I agree completely with Dan about the uncertainty of voting me. What are you really hiding?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 14, 2011, 11:49:20 AM
#Vote Shadoweh

Quick Metagame lynch.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Rikter on September 14, 2011, 02:43:29 PM
Oh this started.

##Vote: Dormio

Just as a placeholder while I catch up
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 14, 2011, 03:24:53 PM
Meteo Impact! The Second Votecount!
Shadoweh (2) - Zakeri, J.O.B, huh what, Hero999
J.O.B (1) - Chaore
Chaore (3) - Dormio, ActionDan, J.O.B
huh what (1) - Polaris
Dormio (2) - huh what, RIKTER
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh

Not voting: Youkai Jesus, NeoSerela, Bardiche

Day 1 ends in ~62.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 03:37:19 PM
##VOTE: Shadoweh

Wall of text about the others and then you continue jokevotes. How did you call this? Trying too hard, was it?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Rikter on September 14, 2011, 03:47:30 PM
##Unvote

I don't like how Huhwhat voted and unvoted three times without saying anything or why at all other then they might have had a reason for it.

##Vote: Huh what
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2011, 03:52:41 PM
Quick Metagame lynch.
I told you, you missed the quyicklynch boat! You need to bold them votes too. That ain't gonna fly for long, read over the rest of the players and tell us what you think of them so far.

JOB: Yeah, it does, but then you went and voted for Chaore anyways. Oh well. You still get a townie badge. Don't abuse it or you'll get thrown off a cliff before LYLO.

Hero999: Yep. He's doing that thing where he reads people and sheeps the ones he thinks make the most sense like in Graveyard. My observation while being scum is that townies aren't actually that hard to find if you stop being suspicious of every small twitch they do and just use simplicity to look at their actions. So we're going to try and actually use that for good this game.
So got any reads besides what got said before you posted, that huh what is bad because ??? and Dormio/Chaore are null?

Bardiche: <^_^> I call it not enough conclusive evidence. It's Townie Questions Time, please wait warmly until the vote is ready. Third on the wagon, are you scum Bardy? :o You would keep trying to lynch me even if I'm town, you're cheeky when you're scum.

Rikter: That's more like a rolefishing reason then a scumhunting reason to vote for someone. -1 townie cred. But you didn't know what the colors of your alignment meant so I'm not quick to judge. (By the way what color are you today?) Why don't you like it, what feels off about it?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Chaore on September 14, 2011, 05:08:14 PM
@ActionDan: ...

Nothing? He posted a single post, of a meaningless rvs vote at the time I posted. I think you've misunderstood. That 'Edit:' section is not in response to my own vote (That would be largely stupid) but the cuts of 6 different posts voting shadoweh. At the time I hadn't realized most were huhwhat again and thought someone had just been put to L-1 minutes into the game. I asked Keine what she thought of what just happened and she told me to shut up. This was because she didn't make the same mistake as me because she wasn't cut.

So basically your entire vote is based on a possibly unintentional misrep. Possibly intentional given I still don't get how the fuck you actually came to believe that, seeing as that doesn't really make sense for a logical assumption reading my post.

@J.O.B.: Please stop following people blatantly. I've entirely answered you by responding to Dan. I should never be able to do that. You're no longer a newbie. Act like it.

@Shadoweh:
Quote
<Chaore> baaaaaaa
<Keine-tan> Stop sheeping to me.

You heard the magical cowgirl.

On one hand, you pretty much remind me of every town!shadoweh I've ever seen because you're asking questions. On the other hand your reasoning makes me want to cave you in the face. Clearing me for being Silly is Bad, Scum can have a sense of humor as well. Clearing J.O.B. as town for sheeping and being a new player in his fourth game is bad, as it shows a lax of actually trying to determine his alignment and willing to pass off new play and stupid play as townie. You also only say you 'agree' with dormio, while not agreeing with the idea that I'm scummy because of it, and pass off his use of it as a tell (if null), which reads all kinds of wrong to me. Your false grilling of Huhwhat going all 'ARE YOU SCUM OR NOT' and later applying that to Rikter, again feels awful and forcing suspicion where there really isn't. Your blanket attacking of Polly's pretty clear RVSy vote is bad but this is all substitute to the main reason I want to punch your face in right now.

Why did you completely ignore Action Dan? ActionDan made a very serious and very interesting vote on me. He wasn't simply going 'Diceroll=Scum, games in the bag', but implied I had reasoning behind my vote. If I did this would be a very large catch, and if not this is almost certainly the 'try hard' you've been looking for. It seems odd you would just up and ignore Dan. Care to explain why?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2011, 05:48:28 PM
Chaore: I think you're normally wrong. Scum are SRS BSNS. As for JOB, clearing someone for doing what they do as town is called using their meta correctly. Explaining it to you is me being nice for once. He's trying anyways. I've already determined his alignment, so I don't appreciate being called lax. No, I think Dormio's use of an RNG tell is slightly suspicious, not null. Needs more input. I have no idea what you mean by false grilling. Huh what hasn't posted again yet, so if you're saying I'm ignoring him I'll be taking my townie creds back from you. Explain this falseness in words I understand.

I'm not the one looking for 'try hard', Huh what is. Let's just say I consider the post null but don't think I need to question Dan personally to get more reads on him.

So your first paragraph is a dislike of Dan's vote and case as a possible misrep on you, and your second is an attack on all of my reads for disagreeing with you.. along with questioning why I'm ignoring Dan in a way that implies I should be seeing him as town for having a good case on you, unless I'm suposed to be looking for try hard scum which first of all, is someone else's motive, and second of all sounds incredibly silly in a town where scum doesn't try hard. You have confused the hell out of me. Oh, and your vote is on JOB, the dude nestled between your suspicions.

Well, you're certainly trying to prove me wrong about the sense of humor. You look like you're throwing things at me to see if anything sticks. Let's go with this. SORRY ZAKERI THE PUPPIES WILL HAVE TO WAIT.

##Unvote
##Vote: Chaore
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Rikter on September 14, 2011, 06:11:06 PM
@Shadoweh: 3 posts all voting/unvoting the same person 2 with of them posted within 5 minutes of each other just strikes me as odd even for random votes. As for alignment I know for sure what I am this game.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 06:31:06 PM
Quote
<^_^> I call it not enough conclusive evidence. It's Townie Questions Time, please wait warmly until the vote is ready.

I call it pretending to be Town in a game full of noobies. :V What sense is there in asking Rikter about his vote when, quite plainly, there was little else to go on for him? He's trying to be the Townest! I wouldn't question him at this stage in the game, and yet you are.


Chaore! Do threats of physical violence constitute suspicion that Shadoweh is scum, or are they just violent expressions of affection and cameraderie?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 06:33:24 PM
I don't understand any of the D1 cases in this game except for my own.

Shadoweh, the worst parts about Chaore's post were the ridiculous amounts of fluff and the fact that it seemed to open up a door to pointless set-up speculation. This wasn't enough to make me consider him as scum at the time.

As is, though, I don't like the priorities in his recent post. Seems like he has an actual case on Shadoweh, yet he's clinging onto the J.O.B vote because... ???, I guess. This is not townie usage of one's vote! I want to hear from Dormio more before I consider switching, though. His serious vote still rubs me the wrong way.

As for Shadoweh's second question, uhh, the only D1 without walls that I can remember right now is JK9, where I was town. I'm not sure why you feel the need to bring this into the thread and make the game harder to re-read when you could just read my D1s yourself. <_<
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 07:03:04 PM
I'm a little irritated at all the people rolefishing at Huhwhat and voting him for it. If Huhwhat had any reason past screwing around, then town sure as hell doesn't need to know about it, because either

A.Huhwhat's town, scum does not need that kind of info, town doesn't need to know until Huhwhat's about to get lynched or lylo
B.Huhwhat is scum, lol you're not going to get anything helpful out of it.

tl;dr rolefishing is dumb unless in specific situations where it might be okay but I don't trust my mafia knowledge enough to give examples. There are reasons people generally do not claim unless they're about to die or it's LyLo.

Anyway. Moving on.

Dormio's reasons for voting Chaore are silly, yeah, but ActionDan's followup is even worse. He reads way too far into Chaore's vote, as if it was actually something more then an RVS jokevote, and tries to frame some roleplay shenanigans as something scummy. With his general wording, (Ex:"I simply don't understand what could have prompted Chaore to post that.") he treats the entire incident like Chaore just started worshipping Satan in Church on Sunday in front of everyone.

Huhwhat says Dormio's vote was the wrong kind of tryhard. Dan is that, except even moreso.

##Vote:ActionDan



Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 14, 2011, 07:23:42 PM
"Drown in your ideals and die!"

The Third Votecount!
Shadoweh (3) - Zakeri, Hero999, Bardiche
J.O.B (1) - Chaore
Chaore (4) - Dormio, ActionDan, J.O.B, Shadoweh
huh what (2) - Polaris, Rikter
Dormio (1) - huh what, RIKTER
Zakeri (0) - Shadoweh
ActionDan (1) - NeoSerela

Not voting: Youkai Jesus
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~59 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 07:27:28 PM
Actually, while I'm at it, I'm going to say that Youkai Jesus' jokevote seems to look a little like she's trying to blend in with the rest of the jokevote phase. Reminds me a little of Furien from his first game.

It also seems to have worked, given that Shadoweh seems to have looked over her completely.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 07:44:40 PM
Why are you trying to stir a pot, Huh What?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 07:45:35 PM
Hm?

I'm just pointing out the things that bug me. <_< I'm not sure what's weird about that.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2011, 07:46:24 PM
I call it pretending to be Town in a game full of noobies. :V What sense is there in asking Rikter about his vote when, quite plainly, there was little else to go on for him? He's trying to be the Townest! I wouldn't question him at this stage in the game, and yet you are.
I think there's plenty for people to go on. I will question whoever I please, thank you kindly. People have difficulty assessing the true newbies and last game should show how willing many are to throw them off a cliff for being impossible to comprehend instead of trying to find their reasoning. Besides, how do you expect him to learn how to argue if no one engages him?

huh what: How can you say you don't understand my case if you agree with my reasoning of Chaore's priorities? Don't overthink it. We appear to be on the same page. And I can't expect everyone else to go through the details I do, so you answering the question for all to see is easier. ..Youkai who? No actually, I addressed her directly (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.0.html). There isn't anything there to take a read from.

Serela posting something sensible. Obviously he's scum. Serela, for the sake of my curiousity, if you had to name three people at this moment as scum, who would it be and why?

STOP CUTTING ME >:(
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 07:49:33 PM
Stop QQing, Shadoweh. If you dislike it so much maybe you should stop time before posting or something so you'll have alllll the time in the world.

Hm?

I'm just pointing out the things that bug me. <_< I'm not sure what's weird about that.

>_> I dunno, using uncertain language like "seems to look a little like" at a juncture when we've yet to exit jokevote phase. Throwing out suspicions left and right to cover a broad number of people, and especially pointing towards someone who hasn't been interested yet divides Town's attention and focus and runs the hazard of enabling scum team to easier get a mislynch.

MAFIAS THEORIES OMG. Basically I think it's scummy of you to be trying to pen a new valid suspect target when we have plenty people a-twitter about the Mafias right now.

##Unvote
##Vote: Huh What


Have at thee.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 07:51:02 PM
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Besides, how do you expect him to learn how to argue if no one engages him?

Arguing isn't a skill taught only in Mafia games, but the rest of the explanation is satisfactory to move my vote, if the above wasn't clear in that regard.

Also damnit, I planned to lurk like Zakeri and here I am posting.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 07:58:58 PM
>_> I dunno, using uncertain language like "seems to look a little like" at a juncture when we've yet to exit jokevote phase.
Ugh, this is just my writing style being horrible. When I say "looks a little like", I don't actually mean to sound uncertain, because I'm not. I just automatically word things like that so I don't sound like I think I'm absolutely 100% right about everything, because I don't like it when people do that. This is something I end up subconciously doing a lot whenever I'm talking about my opinions, and it's not limited to Mafia.

As for the rest, I don't really have much to say. I can see how you could interpret my actions that way, it's just... not the correct interpretation. I'd rather not hold back anything that jumps out at me if the rest of the town hasn't noticed it yet.

Shadoweh, your link is a link to the first post. :x
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2011, 08:01:19 PM
EBWOM: S-shutup huh what, I know how to link my posts! Just pretend this was there instead okay?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714746.html#msg714746
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
Okay, confirming that I'm blind. She still bugs me.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 08:09:51 PM
Ugh, this is just my writing style being horrible. When I say "looks a little like", I don't actually mean to sound uncertain, because I'm not. I just automatically word things like that so I don't sound like I think I'm absolutely 100% right about everything, because I don't like it when people do that. This is something I end up subconciously doing a lot whenever I'm talking about my opinions, and it's not limited to Mafia.

Well your personality is FLAWED AND I'M LYNCHING YOUR ASS FOR IT.
... is what would be a possibility, but I don't think anyone's going to buy a case like that. To me, stating things uncertainly is a scummy trait, as it ties into the psychological effects of suggestions, which I'm not going to go in-depth for. I'm voting you based on that; attempting to get people to look at someone while displaying no confidence yourself that it is a scummy trait or certainly is Scummy Action X. Also I'm going to read your past Mafia games, I can't seem to remember you randomly popping in to say, "Hey look at this person they might be scummy" while voting someone else.

##Unvote

I admit it was a bit premature to lash at you that early, though. The chief problem here is, however, that we have no leading 'champion' to push the game solidly out of the jokevote phase. Hence why I hate jokevote phase, you tend to sit there twiddling thumbs waiting for someone to say something (un)reasonable so you can escalate matters and generate opinions.

Speaking of, you say I get cheeky when I'm scum, am I being cheeky and scummy now, Shadoweh? :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 08:10:36 PM
##Vote: Chaore

Whoops forgot my vote. Complaining Shadoweh deserves to be threatened with violence while clinging to another vote is suspicious enough at this stage. :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 08:14:48 PM
Also I'm going to read your past Mafia games, I can't seem to remember you randomly popping in to say, "Hey look at this person they might be scummy" while voting someone else.
Isn't this basically the only thing I really did last game?

Also, only one vote, etc
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 08:21:59 PM
wut?

Bard, have you even COMMENTED on Chaore yet? This vote is sort of coming out of nowhere, just blatantly jumping onto the biggest wagon. And it's a wagon that I feel is pretty bad. I need to reread again to get all my stuff straight before elaborating on just how bad the Chaore wagon is (And answering Shadoweh's question), but I definitely wanted to get this out first. I mean, I don't remember a single -GOOD- reason for anyone to be voting Chaore right now, yet he's L-2.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 08:25:42 PM
Okay Shadoweh's Chaore vote isn't horrible but it's hard to remember WHY she's voting him by the time I get through her paragraph about it. It's ED1 though so :shrug: at the very least she's trying to have an actual reason, which is more then can be said for anyone else on there.

I do find it a little off that his (Chaore's) vote is still on JOB instead of someone else, though. He had a few people he definitely could have put it on after his post.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 08:29:12 PM
Serela, for the sake of my curiousity, if you had to name three people at this moment as scum, who would it be and why?
I'll do it if you do!

Saying this because I've seen scum!UK use this line all the time, and then not actually scumhunt herself. While I wait for that, though, don't worry; I'm making my response so it'll be all nice and ready the moment you answer.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 08:45:14 PM
QUADRUPLE POSTING BECAUSE HELL YEAH

My response to Shadoweh on my top three suspects is all done and pretty! I like it immensely and hope Shadoweh will soon respond so it doesn't grow stale by the time I push it out. Words need to be inputted fastly in a game like MAFIER

I put it on a quicktopic so that I have proof it was made now instead of later via timestamp, in case Shadoweh takes a long time. ...wait, does that break any rules? Brb asking PX about that

Not sure where I stand on Bard's opinion over Huhwhat poking YoukaiJesus. I definitely see what he means, but it IS also sorta true on Huhwhat's side that Jesus was sorta going unnoticed, so... eh. The mentioning of it just seemed a little unneeded, since it wasn't really all that bad yet, provided that Jesus' next post doesn't look like active lurking or something. Both things are just something to think on later, when we've got more to look at.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2011, 08:49:26 PM
Does it look like I'm not scumhunting, or that I'm hydraing with UK today? >_>
According to my rules of the Three Scummies, the obvtown would be Chaore (ignore the huge wagon) or huh what, the obvscum would be let's say Dormio or Dan, and the third lurkerscum would be one of those people who have only posted once, like the newbs or Zakeri. Hence why I'm questioning them, so they have something to answer when they come around.

Haha, I don't take long to think when I'm not making stuff up. <.<
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2011, 08:52:07 PM
It also occurs to me a Youkai/Rikter/Zakeri scumteam would roll us so hard at this rate.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 08:53:09 PM
Does it look like I'm not scumhunting, or that I'm hydraing with UK today? >_>
Maybe she taught you her tactics or something? :V

It was just precautionary, don't worry.

K, here you go: Dan, Rikter, and Bardiche. For Dan you may refer to my case on him in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.ph...html#msg714805).

Rikter because all he's done is tunnel-rolefishing on Huhwhat.

Bardiche for blatant bandwagon hop onto Chaore, whom he hasn't even -mentioned- so far, plus the Chaore wagon in the first place mostly being WHYYYYY.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2011, 09:05:12 PM
Speaking of, you say I get cheeky when I'm scum, am I being cheeky and scummy now, Shadoweh? :V
Well you're definitely being cheeky. It's weird to have you defending me after all that quicklynching talk. For now I think we can be friends. Let's form a ~*Townie Voting Block*~ before Dormio gets back!

Noted and documented, Serely. O_O Bard seems town to me though.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 09:12:35 PM
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I do find it a little off that his (Chaore's) vote is still on JOB instead of someone else, though. He had a few people he definitely could have put it on after his post.

Which, ironically, is why I'm voting him. Also, are you sure I didn't mention him before (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714788.html#msg714788)? I'm sure I did. Going so far to talk about everything he dislikes about Shadoweh without voting it is enough at this juncture, and it's valid even if this were Day 7 (unless LYLO, then not voting who you find scummiest immediately is reasonable).

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It's weird to have you defending me after all that quicklynching talk. For now I think we can be friends. Let's form a ~*Townie Voting Block*~ before Dormio gets back!

The last time someone suggested a Townie Voting Block, they were scum. Are you scum, Shadoweh?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 09:17:16 PM
Actually, Shadoweh: how do you feel about Serela accusing Rikter of "tunneling" on page 2 of D1 just as we are on the border between RVS and SRS VOET TIEM, and naming that as his highest scum pick next to ActionDan for "trying too hard"? I'm kinda thinking here it's either Chaore or Serela I want to see dead by the end of the day, because one produces ROCK HARD OPINIONS but sticks to a jokevote (after confuddling part of town by claiming hydra) and the other's opinions are all sorts of "TRYING WAY TOO HARD", especially given he's voting ActionDan for "trying way too hard".

It's becoming a contest here on who's trying too hard to catch scum and failing; I agree ActionDan's doing some of it by taking the Dormio vote so obviously serious and hardcore, but seriously? Rikter's scum for tunneling? I mean, what? Come on?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 14, 2011, 09:20:10 PM
I missed the part where it's "tunnel-rolefishing", but then Rikter is in his first game here that I've seen him play. Are we seriously going to treat newbies as prime lynch material again for doing the obvious and asking for an explanation of actions that make no immediate sense? Huh What was obviously doing something ~*abnormal*~, and it's a prime way to get newbies to wonder what you're doing.

Fantastic, you're all scum again. And I opened this game hoping I'd have new views. ;_;
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 14, 2011, 09:21:35 PM
@PX: That was not the right phrase for this situation!...maybe it was but still! We are not at each others throat or are we watching 2 people killing each other for their ideals!

Is there ever going to be a game where we really policy lynch Shadoweh?

@Shadoweh: Repeat your question, I don't think I quite caught it.
Also, I don't like how easily your throwing around joke teams so easily. Are you trying to make us more paranoid?
Just by declaring a set up like that make me think about it. I can't say the same for anyone else, but that got me unsettled.

@G-Serela: I find the fact that none of your scum picks are any of the suspects of the moment scary. :< (Not that I can really say this)
Also, is it really that easy for your to pick out your scum picks?
I always find it difficult to just point and go I believe they are scum. With how easily you do it, I'm suspicious of you.

@huh what: I can't say I really agree with Youkai Jesus trying to blend in...more like being the only one actually following the policy lynch thing..? blah I don't know.

@Bardiche: What made you switch to Chaore? I believe he has not posted in awhile, so what made you switch?
I find it strange that you voted Chaore before he has had the chance to speak. Your blurb also does not really explain to me much!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 09:23:48 PM
Bardiche, I think you're REALLY overreacting :P

I never said I wanted Rikter lynched, I DEFINITELY never called him prime lynch material. Shadoweh wanted the top three people I'd pick as scum if I absolutely had to pick right now. There is very little to go on, and Rikter's entire posting history so far being rolefish-votes isn't great, even if it doesn't make him outright scum.

Cut by PX overreacting too. Jesus. I never said they're so totally scum yet everyone instantly reacts like I did. ;_; All they are, are the top three worst people in my eyes right now... and since we're in EARLY DAY ONE, that's not really super significant!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 09:26:54 PM
Oh. I meant to say Hero, not PX. Derp.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 09:28:03 PM
Basically, what it looks like right now is everyone jumping on me because OH GOD I ANSWERED SHADOWEH'S QUESTION EVEN THOUGH THERE ISN'T ACTUALLY 3 PEOPLE I'D LYNCH RIGHT NOW.

This makes me sad ;_;
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Chaore on September 14, 2011, 09:32:10 PM
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<Chaore> ...
<Chaore> @8ball Is this game going to be like pulling teeth?
<Keine-tan> What are you asking me for?
<Keine-tan> You can read the thread, can't you?

@shadoweh: So many things wrong with this, mostly that it's coming from you. I'm agreeing with Serela saying UK taught you her methods, because your first action to a possible suspicion is to 'VOTE THE SHIT OUT OF IT YEAH'.

Okay, to chop down your reasoning 1. Is because I point out the ways ActionDan's vote is awful and flawed and made of a misconception I admit is more likely to unintentional, and then don't actually vote him for having an awful case that is more than likely unintentionally and based off a misunderstanding.

2. Because I dare say your clears seem kind of flimsy and bendable. Which they are, seeing as you just took your town clear and bent it straight into a god damn scum vote. Do you see where I'm going with that now?

It still bugs me you ignored Action Dan because there seems to be no reason why you would particularly ignore Action Dan, and while I probably presented it wrong. This is not being alleviated.

You also say 'Hey how dare you not move your vote from job.' and then voted me when you did the same thing not too long ago, pretty much, by voting Zakeri. I'm not exactly smiling here Shadoweh.

I'm not exactly mentally agreeing that this all works out to scum!shadoweh, but my gut is saying there is no way Town!Shadoweh would actually make a post like the one you made voting on me. ##unvote, ##Vote: Shadoweh.

@Bardiche: Explaining that wording is simple. See, when people see a bear their reaction is naturally to get worried.

My reaction is to attempt to punch the bear in the face. It is very lucky that I haven't met a real bear yet. So when I say 'I want to punch someone in the face' I mean 'I'm worried about their actions, and desire to punch them in the face because their face is also probably really punchable'

Your vote seems like an excuse to pull off from applying pressure elsewhere because I'm away and probably won't be back for a bit, which is annoying but not necessarily scummy.

I'm sorry if you seemed to have looked at it and went 'Chaore is clearly wanting Shadoweh lynched and not just suspicious and wants his question answered'. That's not what happened, I'm just very punch happy.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 14, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
After further pondering, Shadoweh, Chaore and Bard are all early town reads for me. Stop squabbling, please. :< Chaore's case on Shadoweh makes little sense to me, but I think that it is simply an OMGUS coming from a townie who just has a jaded point of view because he's getting voted. He is the shakiest of the three reads due to the awkward prioritization that bugged me earlier, though.

People are suddenly throwing around accusations of tryhard a lot, which I think is silly, because now it's just being used as a buzzword. Trying too hard by itself isn't a scumtell, unless you can back it up by saying why you think the manner in which the player is "trying too hard" is scum-intended. People don't seem to actually be doing this. I don't agree with the Serela case, I just think he's silly and basing his cases on misconceptions (which makes sense, because people shouldn't be expected to have three solid scumpicks on page 3, that's ridiculous).

I get the impression that most of the scum haven't shown themselves yet, and if this page is going to continue to be the same few people chatting back and forth with eachother, they won't really feel any need to do so. I want to hear from Dormio and YJ especially.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 14, 2011, 10:32:19 PM
So I was meant to post once I got home last night, but getting locked out does terrible things to your motivation.
Anyway!
I like how Shadoweh waffles or fencesits on everybody that's posted before her in #36 before encouraging a continuation of the RVS mindset by placing her vote the one person she doesn't mention.
In addition, she invokes WIFOM to give her temporary clear of Chaore and she calls JOB town, despite making it seem like she has suspicions of him. She follows this up with some questioning of JOB, from which she gets a town read on him? Despite the fact that she doesn't seem to like his behaviour?
Chaore brings up a good point in #49 about Shadoweh ignoring ActionDan, to which Shadoweh responds in #50 by voting for Chaore. This post gives me some OMGUS vibes. (Also, this is her first serious vote)
She explains her reasoning behind not mentioning ActionDan to be because she thought he was town, but then shouldn't this have also applied to a majority of the people in your #36?
Why did you specifically skip ActionDan?
Also, #59, Shadoweh claims to be arguing with JOB purely for the sake of arguing?
To me, the first part of Serela's #54 seems to be like more of a demoralizing statement, where we shouldn't question anything that's happening because we'll find out when it's our time to know?
Why wouldn't you be able to get anything helpful out of asking scum about what the hell they're doing? If they're lying, and contradict themselves later, that is something good that came out of it, no?
Why are you trying to deny town opportunities for extra information that could cause scum to trip over themselves?
And why are you defending Chaore so much in #68/69?

##Unvote
##Vote Serela
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 14, 2011, 10:45:01 PM
Hi guys I'm back from school.

huh what vote was a jokevote. I posted at like midnight or something and chose the person that stood out the most. :V
It's all right now, huh what. You aren't not very cool now. :) You're just uninteresting, as always.

##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan


Dan has the whole "overreacting to Chaore's random vote" thing, but then there's also "I don't feel comfortable with your post" which is kind of an odd (and maybe a little forced) reaction to what was a jokevote. Do you mind explaining? :L

Other views coming soon, maybe.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 10:53:44 PM
To me, the first part of Serela's #54 seems to be like more of a demoralizing statement, where we shouldn't question anything that's happening because we'll find out when it's our time to know?
There is a difference between questioning and blatant rolefishing.

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Why wouldn't you be able to get anything helpful out of asking scum about what the hell they're doing? If they're lying, and contradict themselves later, that is something good that came out of it, no?
Why are you trying to deny town opportunities for extra information that could cause scum to trip over themselves?
And WHY would they tell you ANYTHING? It's d1. Do you really think ANYONE would claim powers, especially scum? It's a waste of time, and also brings attention to what could possibly be a town powerrole. I'm talking about rolefishing in general by the way, not just this situation.

Also, it's also because it's not just that they're rolefishing, there was actually voting on Huhwhat purely over that, too. That's not even scumhunting. That's either hounding on a powerrole regardless of alignment, or just going after someone for silly RVS shenanigans (Which is also the entire case on Chaore btw, if your name is not Shadoweh. :I)

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And why are you defending Chaore so much in #68/69?
'cause the wagon on him is TERRIBLE. It really is. Shadoweh is the only person who isn't voting him for doing random-number-generator voting, last I checked.

Also, instead of saying anything about why he voted Chaore, Bard just goes and votes other people instead. Hmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 14, 2011, 10:55:12 PM
I'm gonna laugh so hard if Huhwhat just voted Shadoweh 3 times for the hell of it, by the way.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 14, 2011, 11:19:13 PM
Trying hard is a town tell guys, geez.

No Bard, I'm just following me new meta of stealing UK's playstyle. Next thing you know I'll be shooting you tonight. @_@

On Serela, I wasn't expecting super special heart cases from Sereley, so I don't mind his reasoning. These are files for later use. I think voting him solely for this reason would be ridiculous.

Hero: I was asking for your reads, which you just gave more of. Let's say sure, I'm trying to make you more paranoid. What would that accomplish exactly? But no, that was simply me being humorous.

Teh Chaore: Nya~ It's not my fault UK told me being voted is a scumtell! Towniness is a continuum. If my reads were unbendable it would be because I already know your alignment and I care more about being consistent then changing my mind. I wonder how much your choice of which attacker to go after has to do with the amount of votes I hold next to you.
You also say 'Hey how dare you not move your vote from job.' and then voted me when you did the same thing not too long ago, pretty much, by voting Zakeri. I'm not exactly smiling here Shadoweh.
Do tell me how my abandoning a joke vote to go after someone being scummy in front of me equates to you not abandoning a weaker vote to come after me. Or how these two situations are anything alike at all.
I have noticed Serela is correct about my voting bedfellows. It's against my current policy to dismiss someone just because the people voting for him don't look the best. Will consider other votes when not so sleepy.

UK, quiet, we can't change our vote to Dormio just because he's hating on us. No, not even because he didn't banter with us about voting blocks, we don't know if he would be all serious buisness as scum! Yep, still got a town read on JOB. Doesn't mean I like him any more then usual. I didn't say I think Dan is town, you want a punch in the nose? The part about arguing for the sake of arguing applies to Rikter, not JOB. You're not reading me very closely.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: J.O.B on September 14, 2011, 11:27:16 PM
You're no longer a newbie. Act like it.
Why do you always have to bring this up? I learn mafia at my own learning pace. I don't care if you were able to learn faster or anything like that. I will learn at my own pace, and nothing else! Why do you have to have a grudge against me just for being bad at mafia? My mentor that I had was a scum mentor not a town one. So you can't use that against me.
This is getting to the point that I am seriously considering replacing out just to get away from you. Stop using this, I really don't like it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 15, 2011, 12:35:12 AM
Kilga is much better at being town actually. People just want you to act your mafia age.
I don't think Chaore was in the last game, nor was he around long enough in Graveyard to come after you heavily over this, so it's not a very good point to argue over. Find the scums, not people you think are jerks.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 15, 2011, 12:57:34 AM
There is a difference between questioning and blatant rolefishing.
And? Any and all responses can be good information for town. Why do you insist on trying to hide away as much information from town as possible?

And WHY would they tell you ANYTHING? It's d1. Do you really think ANYONE would claim powers, especially scum? It's a waste of time, and also brings attention to what could possibly be a town powerrole. I'm talking about rolefishing in general by the way, not just this situation.
>Role madness
I believe that reactions are highly valuable in this sort of game.

or just going after someone for silly RVS shenanigans (Which is also the entire case on Chaore btw, if your name is not Shadoweh. :I)
'cause the wagon on him is TERRIBLE. It really is. Shadoweh is the only person who isn't voting him for doing random-number-generator voting, last I checked.
If it's so terrible, why don't you let him say it himself?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 15, 2011, 01:25:23 AM
Alright I'm going to play DotA, but I felt it wouldn't be responsible if I didn't post here first.

This will be the introduction to a much larger post that will come later. 

I'll talk about Chaore/HuhWhat/Shadoweh/Serela later but there is something right in front of me that sends off gut scum vibes.

Hi guys I'm back from school.

huh what vote was a jokevote. I posted at like midnight or something and chose the person that stood out the most. :V
It's all right now, huh what. You aren't not very cool now. :) You're just uninteresting, as always.

##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan


Dan has the whole "overreacting to Chaore's random vote" thing, but then there's also "I don't feel comfortable with your post" which is kind of an odd (and maybe a little forced) reaction to what was a jokevote. Do you mind explaining? :L

Other views coming soon, maybe.

Don't pull a Chaore and say that I'm misrepping you.  Your vote was in no way an obvious jokevote.  You voted Huh What for "not being a cool guy" after he had fun voting shadoweh 3 times and refused to elaborate on why he did so.  I. E, Your vote served as a commentary on the shenanigans.  Therefore it is not a jokevote because you had some reason for voting.  What that reason was; that wasn't clear.  Now your trying to sub in that reason for "jokevote," because he stood out the most.   It doesn't make sense.

This feels like backtracking.   One of your reasons for voting me "Dan overreacting" is highly unoriginal (and as I will explain later, untrue) while the other is an intentional misrep and something that I bet you added to try to give believability to your vote.

##:Unvote
##Vote: Polaris
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 15, 2011, 01:42:06 AM
I define "jokevote" as "not a serious vote", which makes my vote a jokevote because I didn't seriously believe huh what was scum from those actions. You're trying to force your interpretation on everyone. :/ (Please do not confuse a jokevote with a random vote. I will concede that my vote was not random, but it was a joke.)

Also, I never claimed you were misrepping me. (However, I am claiming now that you are misrepping me for saying that I had claimed that you misrepped me. are you confused yet lol)
I'd like an explanation on how I was misrepping you, however. (And maybe define the word "misrep" in case our definitions are totally differing again.)
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Rikter on September 15, 2011, 01:45:16 AM
##Unvote: huh what

It won't go anywhere useful for now and I can't think of anything past that try and get anything from it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 15, 2011, 01:51:18 AM
"Do you value your life? Do you think that your family and friends are important to you?
If they are, then you should never think of changing yourself. Otherwise, you will lose everything that is precious to you."


The HomuHomu Fourth Votecount!
Shadoweh (3) - Zakeri, Hero999, Bardiche, Chaore
J.O.B (0) - Chaore
Chaore (3) - Dormio, ActionDan, J.O.B, Shadoweh, Bardiche
huh what (0) - Polaris, Rikter, Bardiche
Dormio (1) - huh what
ActionDan (2) - NeoSerela, Polaris
NeoSerela (1) - Dormio
Polaris (1) - ActionDan

Not voting: Youkai Jesus, Rikter
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~52.5 hours.

I am now in need of a replacement for J.O.B. I am not pleased.

EDIT: Vote Count is corrected
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 15, 2011, 02:40:20 AM
##BGM: dreamenddischarger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuRRe1moVhY)

"It's useless, it's all useless!"

The Fifth Twilight Votecount!
Shadoweh (3) - Zakeri, Hero999, Bardiche, Chaore
J.O.B (0) - Chaore
Chaore (2) - Dormio, ActionDan, J.O.B, Shadoweh, Bardiche
huh what (0) - Polaris, Rikter, Bardiche
Dormio (1) - huh what
ActionDan (2) - NeoSerela, Polaris
NeoSerela (1) - Dormio
Polaris (1) - ActionDan

Not voting: Youkai Jesus, Rikter, Capt. h
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~51.5 hours.

Capth replaces JOB effective immediately.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 15, 2011, 02:57:42 AM
I'm not finding myself liking any of Dormio's recent content, so I'm willing to keep my vote on him. I don't think that Serela discouraging rolefishing is nearly as bad as he's making it out to be. Like with his first serious vote, he seems to be voting people over nitpicks rather than scum intent, and I think that this is something scum would do if they're having trouble finding good cases.

Also, what happened to his opinion on Chaore? I can understand dropping an ED1 case, but his transition in opinions isn't really fluid, as his #85 doesn't really say anything about what he actually thinks about Chaore right now, which is a little odd given that Chaore currently has a wagon growing on him.

Rikter, having no vote at this point essentially leaves you with no opinions when there is serious discussion on the table. Who do you think is scum, if not me?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 15, 2011, 03:03:35 AM
Confirm

Lets get this show on the road!

First thing's first, lets put our cards on the table.

##Vote Shadoweh

Her play so far is aggressive at best and scummy at worst. I agree that it looks like she's hydraing with UK. I also admit that her attacks simply look scummy to me on gut, partially because it seems like she's being aggressive for the sake of being aggressive.

I don't like Polaris either. I don't follow his case on Action Dan; I need to see the posts Polaris is referring to in it when he says:

Dan has the whole "overreacting to Chaore's random vote" thing, but then there's also "I don't feel comfortable with your post" which is kind of an odd (and maybe a little forced) reaction to what was a jokevote. Do you mind explaining? :L

Other views coming soon, maybe.

Since he's only talked about 1 player and it doesn't contain enough information for me to parse it, he looks suspicious to me. That last line, which explicitly indicates he might get back to us if he feels like it, is lazy and scummy as heck as well.

Course, everyone looks scummy to me right now.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 15, 2011, 03:30:10 AM
I find NeoSerela suspicious for the tremendous amount of noise she generates. Relatively few opinions on who is scum and why, lots of CAPITALIZATION and overreacting and emotion.

I find Huh What suspicious for even mentioning this:

Actually, while I'm at it, I'm going to say that Youkai Jesus' jokevote seems to look a little like she's trying to blend in with the rest of the jokevote phase. Reminds me a little of Furien from his first game.

It also seems to have worked, given that Shadoweh seems to have looked over her completely.

Not to mention the 62 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714837.html#msg714837) he made looks like it's trying to rewrite history.

And I find Dormio suspicious (or maybe just bad) for defending rolefishing in his 92 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715026.html#msg715026).
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 15, 2011, 03:45:42 AM
My case in your quote is referring to this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714548.html#msg714548). (You'd think it would be easy to figure out considering he's only made one post before mine.)

That last line, which explicitly indicates he might get back to us if he feels like it, is lazy and scummy as heck as well.

Your word choice is terrible here, considering I have not "explicitly indicated" that I would respond "if I felt like it". There are things that I had to prioritize over mafia, you know.

Sheesh.

If you want me to talk about other players, then I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I have early town reads on everyone who posted on page three, except Dormio. Dormio is being incredibly awkward with his attempted justification of rolefishing, as well as how he apparently forbids us from disliking wagons that aren't our own, or something. (Early town reads != totally cleared as town, in case someone wanted to misrep me.)

The remaining people are those who I've already covered, those who haven't really contributed anything in the first place, and those who keep calling Serela a girl (cough cough).
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 15, 2011, 03:52:44 AM
Oh hi capt.h. UK is telling me you turned JOB into scum now. :< Why would you do that?
Do tell me why me being aggressive is scummy. There is absolutely nothing in your vote I can argue with since it's entirely because "SHADOWEH IS BEING MEAN >:c"

Wow look at all those posts. When I wake up there better be more votes on someone scummy, like say Chaore. I am far too drunk half asleep and internetless ridden to read them all now.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 15, 2011, 03:59:47 AM
And now I find Action Dan suspicious for overreacting to Chaore's RVS vote, followed by trying to twist the intention of this into not a joke vote and scum motivated:

Phoneposting hi everyone!

##Vote: huh what
Huh wha isn't being very cool right now. :L

-cut by Shadoweh-
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 15, 2011, 04:18:26 AM
Well, there are a lot of things that bother me about you, and they basically add up to my gut saying all is not right.

Recall when you asked if it looked like you were hydraing with UK. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714864.html#msg714864) The fact is yes, it does. You're playing a lot like UK, which is why I'm suspicious. You're launching lots of attacks in every direction, which is something I would expect from scum UK. The fact that you're throwing around arbitrary units of "townie cred" like it's candy is suspicious as well (shifting people around on a scale like that is bad, and I've seen scum do it and get lynched for it):

Rikter: That's more like a rolefishing reason then a scumhunting reason to vote for someone. -1 townie cred. But you didn't know what the colors of your alignment meant so I'm not quick to judge. (By the way what color are you today?) Why don't you like it, what feels off about it?



In addition:

UK, quiet, we can't change our vote to Dormio just because he's hating on us. No, not even because he didn't banter with us about voting blocks, we don't know if he would be all serious buisness as scum! Yep, still got a town read on JOB. Doesn't mean I like him any more then usual. I didn't say I think Dan is town, you want a punch in the nose? The part about arguing for the sake of arguing applies to Rikter, not JOB. You're not reading me very closely.

I learned from Kiro that disagreeing with your hydra in public and bringing your hydra in a lot is bad at best, scummy at worst. The reason is because a player can use the excuse of the second head whenever they want to change their opinion quickly. Tomorrow you could say "UK convinced me Dan is scum" with no good way for us to approach you on it, and it gives you a tremendous amount of flexibility with your reads. So the fact that you're using UK so much is scummy.

I find you scummy.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 15, 2011, 04:22:54 AM
Would it help if I told you I'm not actually in a hydra with UK?

Because I'm not actually in a hydra with UK.

So telling me I look like Scum!UK doesn't really tell you anything about Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 15, 2011, 04:30:34 AM
Would it help if I told you I'm not actually in a hydra with UK?

Because I'm not actually in a hydra with UK.

So telling me I look like Scum!UK doesn't really tell you anything about Shadoweh.

Actually, it doesn't help. You attacked people in every direction, threw around units of townie cred, and used a fake hydra head to your advantage. Those are all scummy in their own right.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 15, 2011, 04:37:58 AM
Riiiight, I'm just going to file you under Way Too SRS BSNS then. I'm probably going to keep attacking people in every direction too, so look forward to that. Like Rikter if he isn't voting someone by the time I wake up. @_@ And I didn't throw around any townie cred, I actually only took one away from someone in one post. Don't be so dramatic.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 15, 2011, 04:41:46 AM
Wait, you're saying you're attacking people in every direction, but aren't you voting Chaore because he attacked you in every direction? Or did I totally misunderstand your case? :S
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 15, 2011, 04:44:52 AM
How exactly do you attack one person in every direction? I'm questioning everyone, because everyone is a suspect, until the truth is elegantly revealed. I'm voting Chaore because he was testing the waters before dipping into a pool on the Shadoweh wagon while keeping his vote on a newbie for not doin enuf.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 15, 2011, 04:52:16 AM
Oh okay I misunderstood "attacking in every direction". :V

I still don't particularly see Chaore as scum, but it's strange/interesting how the wagon sort of rose and fell kind of inconspicuously. :L
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 15, 2011, 05:47:07 AM
"I want you to take those fools from the Computer Club... AND BEAT THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THOSE GEEK BOYS!"

The Day of Sagittarius VI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEt_0r1JEHc) Votecount!
Shadoweh (4) - Zakeri, Hero999, Chaore, capt. h
Chaore (2) - Shadoweh, Bardiche
Dormio (1) - huh what
ActionDan (2) - NeoSerela, Polaris
NeoSerela (1) - Dormio
Polaris (1) - ActionDan

Shadoweh is at L-3!
Not voting: Youkai Jesus, Rikter
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~48.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 15, 2011, 05:55:18 AM
Wait, why the hell is Shadoweh a leading wagon?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 15, 2011, 06:13:47 AM
##Vote Shadoweh

Didn't I post this in page two? Error tiem.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 15, 2011, 06:16:12 AM
So, like, do you have anything to add other than RVS'ing?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 15, 2011, 06:20:06 AM
##Unvote
##Vote Youkai Jesus

There's serious discussion going on. You shouldn't just be using a jokevote as an excuse to sneak onto large wagons without reason.

If you have actual opinions on other players as is, now would be a good time to reveal them.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 15, 2011, 10:43:40 AM
@Youkai Jesus: ... did you even read the rules?
Votes need to be bolded. Unless your not bolding them on purpose.
Also get your facts straight and actually say a reason for your serious vote on Shadoweh. I don't like how all you have in your posts are all votes.

@Shadoweh: I like how you still believe everyone to be a suspect when you've stated before that you believe J.O.B. was town formerly, then what makes a difference in player change? J.O.B. was already a town read for you. So why do you believe capt.h to be scum now? Its funny how a difference in play style makes you believe hes scum.

@Dormio: You've been defending yourself all these time, but do you have any reads? Or at least reinstate what it is.

...and thats about all I feel like doing at the moment.


Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 15, 2011, 11:10:04 AM
I think that Serela is scummy.
I think that Chaore is scummy to a lesser extent.
Will post again soon.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 15, 2011, 02:15:18 PM
Quote
Explaining that wording is simple. See, when people see a bear their reaction is naturally to get worried.

My reaction is to attempt to punch the bear in the face. It is very lucky that I haven't met a real bear yet. So when I say 'I want to punch someone in the face' I mean 'I'm worried about their actions, and desire to punch them in the face because their face is also probably really punchable'

Your vote seems like an excuse to pull off from applying pressure elsewhere because I'm away and probably won't be back for a bit, which is annoying but not necessarily scummy.

I'm sorry if you seemed to have looked at it and went 'Chaore is clearly wanting Shadoweh lynched and not just suspicious and wants his question answered'. That's not what happened, I'm just very punch happy.

I fail to see the correlation between punching bears and that you went out of your way to list everything you disliked about Shadoweh and stuck to your jokevote.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 15, 2011, 02:30:45 PM
In case my reason for keeping my vote isn't obvious: what made you feel that it was alright to word things in such an ambiguous way or to, at all, list such a list of disagreeable traits in someone to warrant physical violence, but sticking to your jokevote, as any suspicion ought to have been better than no suspicion at that stage in the game and, indeed, you were one of the earlier contributors with content actually meaningful? Why waste that content with "hurf durf jokevote, punchan bears"?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Rikter on September 15, 2011, 03:10:55 PM
huh what doesn't really strike me as suspicious anymore i'll just consider those joke votes for now.

Shadoweh's aggressive playing doesn't bother me at the moment.

Chaore and Serela I'll need to go back and reread later but I don't necessarily have a good feeling about either.

As for everyone else i'll think more about that later.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 15, 2011, 04:16:10 PM
Why IS Shadoweh a leading wagon? Let's look.

Zakeri: RVS
Hero999: Because Shadoweh thinks JOB is town.
Chaore: Oh my god you suck! >:C
capt.h: Because Shadoweh is being aggressive
Youkai Jesus: Needs to learn how to bold

Forgive me for not quaking in terror. At least this is better then the Just wagon.

@Shadoweh: I like how you still believe everyone to be a suspect when you've stated before that you believe J.O.B. was town formerly, then what makes a difference in player change? J.O.B. was already a town read for you. So why do you believe capt.h to be scum now? Its funny how a difference in play style makes you believe hes scum.
He's not, he's just being capt.h. You need a sense of humor, the joke was about UK calling people who vote her scum. His reasoning is still wrong. He's actually done this to me before though, in pretty much every game we've played together as town. I actually don't know what a capt.h scum would sound like, so I'm going to trust that town read for now and see if he finds someone else legitimately being scummy.
You're still voting me. Hmm. What do you think of Bardiche and Serela right now? You questioned them earlier, did you get any satisfactory answers from it?

Youkai Jesus, I'm going to charitably assume you have no idea what you're doing and are just assuming the policy lynch Shadoweh Day 1 discussion was serious. It wasn't, and even if it was, people would expect you to be looking for the other scums as well. There's plenty of material to read through even this early, give us your opinion on who is looking and who is bullshitting. Also voting for actual scum would be great.

That other guy isn't voting anyone either. >:C RIKTER. Why did you unvote huh what in the first place? Do you think he sounds like a good guy now or did you literally unvote him because no one else joined you? Don't just go with the crowd. Vote with your townie soul! Cut with some opinions but not a vote, don't take too much time thinking about it.

Let's see, I've got townie vibes from:

3. Shadoweh
6. NeoSerela - Debatable
7. capt. J.O.B
8. huh what
9. Hero999 - Debatable
12. Bardiche

And Rikter and Jesus currently strike me as too helpless to have help, regardless of how suspicious their actions are. Leaving with:

1. Zakeri - Hasn't posted yet for reals. Zaaaak I miss you already come be adorable for me :<
5. Polaris - There's something wafer thin about your content, and I think I can put a finger on it. You said everyone that posted earlier is a town read for now, but you're probing me. You don't seem like you actually have any reads or justifications for them. I want you to tell us why everyone earlier is town. Feelings and gut come from something you can explain if you look closely.
10. Dormio - You reversed your reads, here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714933.html#msg714933) you were attacking me for an OMGuS on Chaore while voting for Serela, while here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715295.html#msg715295) you keep Serela and exchange me for Chaore. Do want to know why. The earlier argument about rolefishing was bad, Day 1 rolefishing helps scum make the correct kills. You've made an argument about sharing info as town before though, so I consider this part a null-tell
11. Chaore - Keyore hasn't responded since earlier. Still scum. Still want to know how my moving from a jokevote is exactly like his keeping a vote on someone he feels less suspicious of.
13. ActionDan - Didn't like his first post, wanted to see what he would say later. Second post is much more Dan-like. My current problem with you is it feels like you're lurking. This is not a Dan-like state of being. You said your post with the case on Polaris is the introductory to a larger post, so where the heck is it? It doesn't take 24 hours to compile reads.

The problem with these reads is looking at the votes, all of my current suspects other then Chaore are attacking each other, so it's unlikely they're all scum together. Somewhere there's an error. Will figure it out with more input.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 15, 2011, 04:35:22 PM
Quote
13. ActionDan - Didn't like his first post, wanted to see what he would say later. Second post is much more Dan-like. My current problem with you is it feels like you're lurking. This is not a Dan-like state of being. You said your post with the case on Polaris is the introductory to a larger post, so where the heck is it? It doesn't take 24 hours to compile reads.

Please hold on for a bit.  I'm starting to type it up now, after I did a through re-read this morning.  It will take at least an hour, probably two, and maybe three.   Last night I waited to try and play a game of dots and dota, the latter of which never happened  :(.   
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 15, 2011, 04:36:12 PM
"I'm sure that meeting was just a coincidence. But if you layer an endless amount of coincidences on top of one another...
...I'm sure people pick one at random, and that becomes the path they travel."


Henshin a Go Go Baby! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfvUljO0a5M) The Seventh Votecount!
Shadoweh (5) - Zakeri, Hero999, Chaore, capt. h, Youkai Jesus
Chaore (2) - Shadoweh, Bardiche
Dormio (0) - huh what
ActionDan (2) - NeoSerela, Polaris
NeoSerela (1) - Dormio
Polaris (1) - ActionDan
Youkai Jesus (1) - huh what

Shadoweh is at L-2!
Not voting: Rikter
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~37.5 hours.

Here is your friendly reminder to NOT EDIT POSTS. There will be no more warnings.
Zakeri has been Prodded
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Chaore on September 15, 2011, 07:43:01 PM
@Shadoweh: ? But... That's you trying to interpret my jokevote as a serious vote? No, literally you're only trying to make it different by making it seem like I had serious concerns on j.o.b.- If I did, I would be saying 'You're scummy because you're doing this' not 'Get your act together and start actually playing mafia, thanks'. You stuck to that jokevote despite voicing concerns and reads because you weren't certain enough to vote anyone, and I did the same- Yet you're voting me for it. This is why Bard is voting me, even. How did you make this mistake?

Tossing out meaningless townie reads you seem easily willing to toss aside at a moment's notice once you see a chance to get a vote is actually pretty scummy to me, even if you stress 'flexibility'. No, not all town reads need to be absolute, but you seemed too willing to dispose of them to me. And you demonstrated by instantly turning on me the moment I made a small misstep to town and didn't immediately vote you.

@Bard:
Quote
<Chaore> @8ball Does bard have a sense of humor?
<Chaore> ...
<Chaore> Keine?
<Keine-tan> I'm sorry, that was a serious question?

Your reading comprehension skills seemed to have stayed contact, I see. What I'm saying is that I speak harsher than I actually think. I wasn't actually 'TEN SECONDS FROM PUNCHING SHADOWEH TO THE MOON' but more going 'Okay, this is wrong, I want to see what Shadoweh has to say on this being wrong'. Maybe I just think a step behind you, but I want the answer before I throw the vote, or else I end up throwing my vote all around like a fish out of the sea.

@Capt h.: In #104 you say you dislike that Shadoweh is throwing attacks in every direction, but... You're actually kinda doing the same, having claimed Serela, Polaris, ActionDan, Huhwhat all 'suspicious' with small things and not following up. Why is your random fire method better?

At that, you admonish Shadoweh for her use of 'UK Hydra', yet I've brought Keine into every one of my posts and you've not said a thing about that, or about me in general, why am I different than Shadoweh or why am I not, and why did you think this was not worth note?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 15, 2011, 08:18:39 PM
I feel we are entering a state of disarray.  Let's to try to straighten things out here.

I've done a complete reread.   Zakeri, Rikter, and Youkai Jesus have decided to be useless, and I'm ignoring their actions and people's actions concerning them.

Out of the rest, I have town reads on Chaore/Bard/Hero/Dormio  from strongest to weakest.

HuhWhat/Serela/Polaris/Shadoweh are scummy/suspicious although I have no clear favorite. 

I'm having trouble figuring out Capt.h, but I did a spittake.jpg when after calling out polaris, Capt.h calls me out using the exact same reasons as Polaris, whom Capt.h just criticized because Capt.h could not follow Polaris' said reasons for voting me.   Just tell me if I am understanding this correctly, and if you like or dislike Polaris still.

First things first.  Chaore, I did not have the slightest clue that you were referring to mass shadoweh votes  with the "edit."  I assumed people saw HW voting three times.  As for the "RVS vote with RNG," I maintain that it's bad practice, and was something I agreed with Dormio on, specifically this sentence:
Quote
The RVS stage may give town very little information, but deciding your RVS vote via. RNG denies town even that little piece of information.
I would not have voted you for that alone (but it doesn't bother me that Dormio did), although I did sour at the big text box.  So yes, an "unintentional misrep" it was.  Your posts afterwards are more than enough for a town read on you.

Shadoweh, your up first:  Your #36 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714579.html#msg714579) has a few things I didn't like.    You mention Dormio and Dormio's vote but you do not give an opinion on Dormio himself.  The entire paragraph on Dormio looks like chaff, because I don't learn a thing from it, other than 'Dormio is weird' for thinking like a MSer... which means nothing, even though later (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714780.html#msg714780) you claim that Dormio is suspcious.  The question to JOB is useless and more filler, considering you think he's town regardless, so the question shouldn't lead you to a different conclusion.   If were to follow your own logic; "My observation while being scum is that townies aren't actually that hard to find if you stop being suspicious of every small twitch they do and just use simplicity to look at their actions."  you might have been satisfied JOB's simplicity and be done with it especially since Hero999 later expressed the same opinion as JOB and it was obviously satisfactory, in that there was no need to question him about nulltells .  The main thing though is the question to HW about what he thought was bad about Chaore's post while not commenting on what I had to say.  Why bother asking the question if you don't care about the possible answer?  This is why I think your posts are not genuine and why I have a town read on Chaore (although his case diverges from mine here, after the "why you ignore dan" part).

Jeez this is taking forever.  I'm gonna steamline this from now on.

This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714831.html#msg714831) has a huge glaring problem.  So you realize that HuhWhat is inconsistent.  Yet, you are only concerned about what he does with his vote, not whether he's scum or not based on A) his answer to your previous question or B) the apparent inconsistency.

clarify: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714864.html#msg714864)did I read this right? You said Chaore was obvtown or did you mean to put another name there?

Actually eff it.  I've spent 4 hours making this post re-reading this game 5 times over.  I can't resist the gratification to post this.  Opinions on HW/Serela/Polaris forthcoming.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 15, 2011, 08:33:48 PM
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@Shadoweh: ? But... That's you trying to interpret my jokevote as a serious vote? No, literally you're only trying to make it different by making it seem like I had serious concerns on j.o.b.- If I did, I would be saying 'You're scummy because you're doing this' not 'Get your act together and start actually playing mafia, thanks'. You stuck to that jokevote despite voicing concerns and reads because you weren't certain enough to vote anyone, and I did the same- Yet you're voting me for it. This is why Bard is voting me, even. How did you make this mistake?

This is precisely what I think about the "Chaore is scum b/c he didn't switch votes."  Expect I think Bard looks a lot more town even though Bard and Shadoweh share this particular argument.

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 15, 2011, 09:01:44 PM
##Unvote
##Vote Youkai Jesus
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 15, 2011, 09:20:57 PM
I still think we should be looking into the people who have less presence (although this is not an attempt to propagate D1 LALu, before somebody tries to twist my words into that).

I disagree that YJ's posts look like they're coming from somebody who has no buddies. There's not enough content to actually be read into at this point. However, I think her choice to jokevote on a decently-sized wagon when serious discussion is going on has scum intent, because she's pushing for a lynch while trying to avoid attention. Even her jokevote being on a "policy lynch" makes it seems like she's trying to blend in with the rest of the crowd. Newbie passes are silly, and on a related note, Rikter would do well to post some scum reads instead of town reads. Newbscum have an easier time generating posts about who they think is town, so I don't think we should ignore the possibility of him as scum before he actually talks about who he thinks is scum and why.

Polly irks me because he seems to be sitting on minimal content while not actually engaging in any of the active discussions unless somebody prods him for opinions. As a result, he looks rather passive. Additionally, his main case looks more like a question to Dan rather than a reason for finding Dan scummy, so it'd be nice if he could restate it, as well as explain why he currently thinks that Dan is the best target for a lynch.

I agree that Shadoweh borders into fluffy territory sometimes, but I don't think it's a scummy kind of padding so much as her general personality, and I still think her wagon is awful. However, I do get the impression that a lot of the votes on her come from flailing townies rather than opportunistic scum. Hero and capt. h should restate their cases and explain their priorities, because their reasons for voting are rather weak.

I want to hear from Bard now that more people have posted. He earlier acted as if he had narrowed his targets down to two people, back when half the playerbase hadn't even made serious posts. Does he still think that Chaore and Serela are the only people he wants lynched? I think that narrowing down one's suspects so soon is a bad idea, as it makes it easier for the discluded scum to survive.

I haven't forgotten about Dormio, but it's hard to actually press him due to timezones, and I'm more interested in YJ right now.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 15, 2011, 10:27:36 PM
In response to Chaore, if I were to name a difference between her random fire method and mine it would be that while hers has a great deal of interrogation in it, it's very disconnected from her scum picks. While she did make a case on Chaore, her interactions with other players made it hard to guage whether or not she thought any other player she talked to was scummy or suspicious. At the time she first named her scum picks, she didn't really provide arguments and named 5 people (plus the newbs):

Does it look like I'm not scumhunting, or that I'm hydraing with UK today? >_>
According to my rules of the Three Scummies, the obvtown would be Chaore (ignore the huge wagon) or huh what, the obvscum would be let's say Dormio or Dan, and the third lurkerscum would be one of those people who have only posted once, like the newbs or Zakeri. Hence why I'm questioning them, so they have something to answer when they come around.

Haha, I don't take long to think when I'm not making stuff up. <.<

 Lots of attacks and interrogations everywhere, very little clear on whether she thought they were scum and why until her last post, where she created a list of 5 "not townie vibes". 5 players she reached by eliminating the townies from consideration. In retrospect, I guess her play would be explained by her hunting for townies rather than hunting for scum, since she typically referred to players based on "town cred" rather than in the context of "scummy". It's still bad, because scum are much better at finding townies than town since they already know who town is, although I admit UK does admit to hunting townies instead of scum on day 1.



Shadoweh's usage of her fake UK hydra is much more scummy than Chaore's use of Keine. Shadoweh used it as a justification for her play, for one. She also used it to add thoughts on players that we normally would not be able to attribute to her because they came from "UK":

UK, quiet, we can't change our vote to Dormio just because he's hating on us. No, not even because he didn't banter with us about voting blocks, we don't know if he would be all serious buisness as scum! Yep, still got a town read on JOB. Doesn't mean I like him any more then usual. I didn't say I think Dan is town, you want a punch in the nose? The part about arguing for the sake of arguing applies to Rikter, not JOB. You're not reading me very closely.

Now Chaore, if you started posting Keine's reads in the thread I would find you to be scummy. But you haven't, nor are you using your hydra as a justification for your play.

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 15, 2011, 10:30:05 PM
EBWOP:

While she did make a case on Chaore, her interactions with other players made it hard to guage whether or not she thought any other player she talked to was scummy or suspicious. And when she finally did first name her scum picks, she didn't really provide arguments and named 5 people (plus the newbs):
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 15, 2011, 10:46:24 PM
@Youkai Jesus #113: Do NOT edit your posts.

So when I say I'll post again soon I shouldn't underestimate what RtD does to my brain.

@Shadoweh #121: So, uh, I dropped a case on you because it didn't make sense to myself when I was trying to make it at the time. This is reversing my reads, how? Also, I like how you word it as though in my #85 I did not mention Serela at all before voting for him.
@Hero999 #116: I call misrep on the part about me only defending myself.
Anyway.
Dislike the people with low content, but whatever. Forgetting that certain players are even in the game. Oh well.
Dislike Shadoweh. Dislike Serela.

Still hate Shadoweh's #50. It still reads like an OMGUS to me, and she refused to really address ActionDan either. She later says that the fact that she ignored ActionDan and was not voting for him should tell us that she believed him to be town. But, when she has given reasoning for all of her other reads, why did she fail to mention ActionDan?
For what Shadoweh said about trying to create a learning experience for the newbs, she sure isn't being newb friendly in her #121. She says that she dislikes Dan's first post, and calls his second post "much more Dan-like" as well as disliking him for being in a "not Dan-like state of being". For someone who wanted to help newbs learn how to argue and such and is giving every newb a newbie town pass, using meta arguments like the one against Dan sure does seem to contradict your intentions.

Dropping case on Chaore, don't really have anything against him.

Serela defending Chaore is still a thing I dislike.


Also, @mod:
<10> When you die, stop posting. You may make a single "Bah!"/"Frak you!"/etc. post in the thread. You may not include game content in this post. In addition, once you are dead, please do not discuss the game with anyone other than the Mod until the game is over, as this makes the mod's life easier.
<16>  Any rules after this one takes priority over other rules, other than Rule 0.
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Are there any limitations on what the dead may post?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 15, 2011, 10:51:27 PM
NeoSerela has been prodded. No change in votes, proceed as normal.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 16, 2011, 12:14:03 AM
Dormio, it would be far easier to read your posts if instead of only referencing the post number you wish to mention, you posted a link to the post or a quote of the part of the post you disliked. If I understand correctly, your current point on Shadoweh is that she ignored Dan earlier in the game, and then came back using meta on Dan?

And if I understand correctly, the reason you are voting NeoSerela is because he defended Chaore and because he told you role speculation is bad.

##Unvote
##Vote Dormio

At first I was willing to dismiss the role speculation as bad play, but frankly, you talk more about why Shadoweh is scum than your primary lynch target, who you are voting for partially because he said that role speculation is bad. Role speculation is bad. I'm confused why you think NeoSerela is worse than Shadoweh, considering how much more evidence your Shaodweh cases contain.

Don't like how Dan kind of left us hanging. 4 equally bad scum picks is too many, and if they're equal he has the flexibility to switch on a dime when whe finally does get back. I'd like him to decide which his picks (Huh What, Shadoweh, NeoSerela, and Polaris) is worst. He needs to show his hand; the sooner, the better, cause it's getting close to time to make the wagons.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 16, 2011, 12:14:31 AM
I'm baaaaack. Did'ja miss me?

Youkai Jesus:You know that stuff Shadoweh said about you in #162? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715392.html#msg715392) Yeah that's basically my opinion on Jesus, too.

Rikter is being ;_; because he's incredibly unhelpful regardless of whether he's town or scum. Zak doesn't exist, which is sadly standard Zak play, but still ;_;

Huhwhat's posts are coming off as town and scum read at the same time. It's making me realize that due to all the games I've missed (and Huhwhat seeming to die fast pretty often), I actually don't know what Huhwhat meta is at all, because that would probably fix my problem here. Maybe I should go imitate Shadoweh and read every single game Huhwhat's been in. To be honest, I'm never going to get around to doing that, so instead I'm going to wait for my brain to make sense before deciding on whattles.

Capt.h, regardless of how much you might want it to be, Shadoweh doing shenanigans roleplaying about being a hydra with UK is not something that's scummy (Maybe if she had been seriously suggesting she was, but PX said hydras were banned anyway). Not saying that the rest of your case is bad, though. I actually don't remember what it is, anyway.

I'm starting to feel like Dan is being Dan (Wait, but I don't know Dan meta either. Fuck.) okay nevermind lets just move onto talking about someone else entirely. Also
##unvote
There's just something about Dormio that's wrong. I can't pinpoint it. Not even vaguely pinpoint like I did with Bremm last game. It's just lots of little details based on other little details that build up into a scum read but aren't really things that can be put into words without not looking like a case, at all.

...actually, wait a second, now I don't know who to vote :c They're all lurkies or people I'm unsure about or Dormio.

...okay, after rereading again, Dormio is still the only person who I feel good about voting right now :c
##Vote:Dormio

(This post is bad and I feel bad)
oh cut by capth WHY ARE YOU NINJAING ME ON WANTING TO VOTE DORMIO

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 16, 2011, 01:22:27 AM
Chaore, when you post a bunch of paragraphs on other people, along with something like this:
@J.O.B.: Please stop following people blatantly. I've entirely answered you by responding to Dan. I should never be able to do that. You're no longer a newbie. Act like it.
About the person you're currently voting, it's generally assumed you are not in fact jokevoting anymore and have moved your vote to srs time.  Are you honestly trying to tell me this didn't sound like you had legitimate suspicion of him? But okay, let's play it your way. My reason was I wasn't sure who to choose yet. You had a pretty obvious choice. Why'd you wait? I don't think it's a small misstep to say you look like you're waiting to see which way the winds blow especially since I'm pretty sure I caught you doing this before. My townie reads are not meaningless and if you're curious I can justify every one. (last time I tried this though I had Yuan and Iffrita as obvtown >.> )

Incidentally people compared me to UK long before we ever talked. You guys are too used to me hugging you until you forget I exist. Today is WAKEUP TOWNIES Day. It's kind of insulting that you won't vote me for Days when I'm scum coasting by, but the minute I'm town in your face you all actually want to lynch me.. oh god. This is turning into IRC Mafia @_@

Answering Dan's post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715454.html#msg715454). Dan, you have a town read on Chaore because I'm attacking him? Or because he has a good case on me? Facepalm worthy. Saying Dormio is weird means I don't think he's thinking like Dormio. Considering I wasn't sure enough in post 36 to vote anyone you shouldn't be surprised my thoughts are inconclusive. And I always question my reads. The only way to verify someone is still acting like you thought they were is to poke at them. How does huh what's opinion on Chaore correlate to me pretending to ignore you? These two things have nothing to do with each other.

Uh, by post 59 I thought huh what was town and I was asking him why he didn't understand my case. So you're right, I wasn't trying to determine if he was scum. I think huh whatty in general gets confused easily.

No Dan, you're reading that correctly. There are always three Scum, one that looks like obvtown, one that looks like obvscum, and one that lurks off the radar somewhere in neutral territory. I'm saying Chaore is the Obvtown Scum.

Oh great, so everything else is still something you'll Get To Later. How do you expect me to feel about you after that, Dan? I'm just going to keep an eye on you for now. I can't say what I think about your MISREPOMGKILLITWITHFIRE post will be unbiased at this point.


Hey speaking of people who are trying to make me biased against their posts, capt.h. You can attribute all those thoughts to me, you silly duck. I don't have multiple personality syndrome. Scum are better at finding townies and I've been stuck as scum for freaking ever, so I'm trying to use the same logic to find scum through Process of Elimination. I imagine UK would tell you she hunts townies for a reason. And it is usually obvious who certain townies are. (Is anyone ever surprised by the Night 1 kill?) I'm not really hunting for town. By questioning everyone I'm going to get back more town answers just because there are more town then scum. Mmm, you're still town though. Who are my partners and will you bus one of them with me instead?

huh what keeps saying alot of what I'm thinking, besides the newbies. I don't think if Jesus had buddies that they would allow him to derp his way onto the main wagon, is the thing. A wagon on Polly sounds like a grand idea though. I'm feeling less inclined to knock out Chaore when he's got decent content to look over later. And considering the easiest way to avoid the Day 1 lynch is to just say nothing Day 1, I have no problem with LAL any time of the day. I think we're way too soft with the lurkers at this point, it's become a bad MOTK habit.

Still hate Shadoweh's #50. It still reads like an OMGUS to me, and she refused to really address ActionDan either. She later says that the fact that she ignored ActionDan and was not voting for him should tell us that she believed him to be town. But, when she has given reasoning for all of her other reads, why did she fail to mention ActionDan?
No, I didn't. I said I found his post null and wanted to wait to see what else he posted. Find me somewhere I said Dan was town. It does not exist.
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For what Shadoweh said about trying to create a learning experience for the newbs, she sure isn't being newb friendly in her #121.
The part where I dismiss them for obviously not having any help posting? My opinion is still that they need to learn to post reads to convince people not to lynch them. My questions are more for their benefit then my own.
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She says that she dislikes Dan's first post, and calls his second post "much more Dan-like" as well as disliking him for being in a "not Dan-like state of being". For someone who wanted to help newbs learn how to argue and such and is giving every newb a newbie town pass, using meta arguments like the one against Dan sure does seem to contradict your intentions.
When Dan posts I expect a certain level of pro-townness from him, the kind that made me want to shoot him in the face every time he spoke for the last two games. What are you even accusing me of here? Yes, I said that, do you find it scummy and why? You're just reporting my actions and demonizing me, and you're not even reporting me truthfully. Oh, and you're voting Serela.

Cut by a few votes the Dormio way! Wow does the time fly by. I wouldn't mind joining if this wagon takes off, or going back to Chaore if people stop drinking the koolaid, but I'd still rather vote for Polaris. I recall he has trouble making things up as scum and he might as well not exist right now. Sliding by is a scum trait.

##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris


Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 16, 2011, 01:37:28 AM
No Dan, you're reading that correctly. There are always three Scum, one that looks like obvtown, one that looks like obvscum, and one that lurks off the radar somewhere in neutral territory. I'm saying Chaore is the Obvtown Scum.
Ugh, this is bad theory. If the scum team actually fits into a mold, then that's bad play on their part, because it makes them more predictable and easier to find. Scum wants to be obvtown, obvtown and obvtown, not to fit into some specific set. Assuming that scum are playing poorly is a good way to get steamrolled by underestimating them. Good counterexamples would be GDC (where both scum were lurkers), CotA (where all scum were obvtown-ish until they got outed by PRs), and Werewolf (where no scum fit into any archetype, although Zak was obvscum if you ask UK).

I don't think if Jesus had buddies that they would allow him to derp his way onto the main wagon, is the thing.
We don't know what's going on in the scum quicktopic. It's entirely possible that newbscum would post something silly earlygame without consulting their buddies due to a mistake, or post in the thread before checking to see what their buddies have to say.

Also, why Polly instead of Dormio? You seem to have more reasons to suspect Dormio from your post, but I can't tell if you think he's scum or just think he's silly. Personally, I wouldn't mind either lynch (though Dormio looks worse than Polly), but still find YJ's behavior to be unsettling and feel the need to hear more from them before considering any other wagons.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 16, 2011, 01:40:50 AM
... Oh wow, I just realized I somehow skipped Dormio's post. <_< That explains a lot about what Shadoweh was responding to.

Dormio, why are you cheerleading the main wagon while parking your vote on Serela, who you have a significantly weaker case on anyway? That's awful, especially given that the Shadoweh wagon itself is rather shaky (not going to lie, capt. h's case seems really silly to me, as if he's reading into meta and jokes too much. Still want to hear from Hero though).
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 16, 2011, 01:42:27 AM
Can I just pull the "cases on town are scummy" card lol whatever :L

huh what and Serela were cool because their posts flow well and don't feel forced or scum-motivated and are agreeable in general. I think Chaore vs. Shadoweh is a town-town argument?Shadoweh's vote makes sense from her point of view, but as an observer I think that there was a small case of misinterpretation or something. It's also partially gut, which I can't elaborate too well, but that was why I was "probing" (as Shadoweh puts it) because I thought I was missing something.  Bard is a little iffy because I don't really like his vote on Chaore (something I actually overlooked the first time), so I'll reconsider and look over him again. Hero999 is trying, which is pretty town for (if I am not mistaken) a relatively new player.

As for Dan, I'm still waiting on his response to me. My initial vote on him was just pressing him because of his reactions that I found to be strange. Also his pseudo-case on Shadoweh is a little weak (in that I don't particularly see how anything he mentions makes Shadoweh look scummy) so I'm a little annoyed at how he hasn't elaborated on his other scumpicks (that is to say, "leaving us hanging", as capt. h nicely puts it). Also I don't like how everyone just gives Dan, like, a pseudo-meta-clear or something. :L

I've already mentioned Dormio earlier and nothing has really changed although I do want him to restate his case on Serela because I'm joining capt. h on the "why are you voting him again" thing. :L

Lurkers aaaaaaaaaaa

cut: wow Shadoweh way to cut me with a vote for "not posting" as I was making a post jeez
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 16, 2011, 01:42:56 AM
Oh wait.
Dislike the people with low content, but whatever. Forgetting that certain players are even in the game. Oh well.
<_____<
This is the worst throwaway line ever.

##Unvote
##Vote Dormio

Congrats, you're worse than YJ again.

cut
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 16, 2011, 02:51:39 AM
I am the bone of my sword
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood
I have created over a thousand blades
Unaware of loss, nor away of gain
Withstood pain to create weapons, waiting for one's arrival
I have no regrets. This is the only path
My whole life was
Unlimited Blade Works (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ubU9aOGU9w)

The Eighth Servant! Gilgamesh Votecount!
Shadoweh (3) - Zakeri, Hero999, Chaore, capt. h
Chaore (1) - Shadoweh, Bardiche
Dormio (3) - capt. h, NeoSerela, huh what
ActionDan (1) - NeoSerela, Polaris
NeoSerela (1) - Dormio
Polaris (2) - ActionDan, Shadoweh
Youkai Jesus (0) - huh what

Not voting: Youkai Jesus, Rikter
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~27.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 16, 2011, 04:57:21 AM
I didn't realize we had so little time left. I find it kind of irritating that no real apparent lynch targets have appeared at this point in the day. We had better actually get our asses in gear and get a majority on somebody, otherwise I will be greatly displeased.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 16, 2011, 05:08:26 AM
I'm here, not much has changed. I know, why aren't there good targets when Polar is right there saying things like:
huh what and Serela were cool because their posts flow well and don't feel forced or scum-motivated and are agreeable in general. I think Chaore vs. Shadoweh is a town-town argument?Shadoweh's vote makes sense from her point of view, but as an observer I think that there was a small case of misinterpretation or something.
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Their posts flow well and they don't feel forced and stuff and what the hell is this. And the 'misinterpretation or something'. As an observer, could you tell us where you saw this misinterpretation or explain where you got any of this fronm your point of view at all? These aren't really opinions you can be held to because it's unclear how you got to them.
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Lurkers aaaaaaaaaaa
The pot should not wave accusingly at the kettle.

This is a majority lynch game, isn't it? Yeah it is. I'll be here to move to Dormio if need be, but I want to see more pressure on el Waffle Capitan here. And less on me, you silly scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 16, 2011, 05:30:31 AM
Jeez reached computer curfew and now I can only respond by phoneposting. Shadoweh, I'm terribly sorry that my ED1 town cases didn't totally blow you away but you can't expect me to write essays for everybody. I'll respond as best as I can tomorrow. >_>
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 16, 2011, 06:03:40 AM
Rikter, Zakari, and Youkai Jesus -

I want 3 new votes, one from each of you, on the players you think are scum. It would be very bad if we were forced to fold because there weren't enough active voters to reach a majority.


Polaris -

Are you pressure-voting Dan, or are you voting Dan because you think he's the scummy?

And for that matter, you said Dormio was awkward, but you never said it was scummy. Do you find Dormio scummy?

Who do you think is scum?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 16, 2011, 06:17:55 AM
EBWOP:

Polaris -

Are you pressure-voting Dan, or are you voting Dan because you think he's the scummiest?

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 16, 2011, 06:20:37 AM
I messed up the tags on that post so hard ;_;
Polaris, I'm not having any trouble writing essays myself. So maybe I do have those kinds of standards. @_@
I forgot those guys still weren't voting. Come on newbies help us make a wagon on some scum!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 16, 2011, 06:30:44 AM
Alright, jokes are off the counter.
##Unvote: Shadoweh

Bardiche's case on HW was terrible, and his (admittedly not-so-) sudden jump onto the Chaore wagon accents this as scummy. the case is tailor made to attack HW for following a nulltell meta. Not only that, but I'm positive HW had to use this very same argument as town in a previous game as well (Too lazy to read through a dozen games to check) .  I also disagree with the case on a fundamental level, since HW's way of writing, to me, has less to do with subliminal messaging, and more to do with the Critical Thinker's attempt to keeping statements accurate. As I've said before, absolutes are always wrong.
I also have Bardiche down as the bullheaded type, so the fact that he backed down immediately sends me warning signals. The leap onto the Chaore wagons seems like he's realized his case on HW wouldn't fly, and leaped onto a safe wagon.

Shadoweh's Scumteams theory on page 2 (I like to use 50 posts per page, since it makes games seem shorter) strikes me with horror. The fact that this is the way she took it with the name three scum quip also worries me greatly considering she was the one who used it on Serela first. I don't feel like going into why mentioning scum teams before scumflips are bad. I also don't like how Bard and Hero suddenly give Serela flak for her's top three scum picks. It feels like Shadoweh and Friends are just trying to distract town with the manuver, and picking on Serela as a result. Not only that, but the amount of buddying between Bard and Shadoweh reminds me of that one game of Assassin that Dormio won when the Quicklynch on Shadoweh failed due to being the King.

Also, I really hate how she gave JOB a clear, but then said Capt H turned into scum. You gave JOB a clear for being Useless Town, right? What changed with Capt H, other than the fact that he dropped the useless part?

Regarding Polaris vs. Dan, I don't see anything wrong with Dan's logic regarding Polaris. On top of that, Polaris seems kind of avoidy, and I can't figure out what he's trying to blame on Dan.

Dormio's posts are incredible hard to read. I had to reread the post where he voted NeoSerela, because I couldn't even see the part where he stopped talking about why Shadoweh was worthy of a vote. Could you please clearify why you're voting for NeoSerela again?

still want to vote Shadoweh. I'd be okay with a Dormio or Polaris Lynch. I doubt I could drum up a wagon on Bardiche, since Hero was the only other person to even look in his direction. not willing to vote Chaore since he feels like Scum's intended mislynch.
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 16, 2011, 09:57:00 AM
Hooray, Zak posted! Now he can get onto a real wagon and.. oh. It's gonna be that way, huh?
Shadoweh's Scumteams theory on page 2 (I like to use 50 posts per page, since it makes games seem shorter) strikes me with horror.
Why?
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The fact that this is the way she took it with the name three scum quip also worries me greatly considering she was the one who used it on Serela first.
..Why? I never pursued Serela over this.
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I don't feel like going into why mentioning scum teams before scumflips are bad.
-.- No, if you're going to vote me over this you better come back here and tell me what the hell you're thinking, Zak. Shadoweh and Friends? You don't like me bringing up a scum team, but you're calling me scum with Bard and Hero and even assigning me blame for their actions. Actions which I don't support, picking on Serela is like kicking a puppy.
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Not only that, but the amount of buddying between Bard and Shadoweh reminds me of that one game of Assassin that Dormio won when the Quicklynch on Shadoweh failed due to being the King.
You mean the time everyone knew I was confirmed town but started a wagon on me anyway? Good analogy.


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Also, I really hate how she gave JOB a clear, but then said Capt H turned into scum. You gave JOB a clear for being Useless Town, right? What changed with Capt H, other than the fact that he dropped the useless part?
I clarified this here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715392.html#msg715392). I'll even quote the relevant part for you.
He's not, he's just being capt.h. You need a sense of humor, the joke was about UK calling people who vote her scum. His reasoning is still wrong. He's actually done this to me before though, in pretty much every game we've played together as town. I actually don't know what a capt.h scum would sound like, so I'm going to trust that town read for now and see if he finds someone else legitimately being scummy.
My obvbuddy Hero made the same misconception. Actually it sounds like you're okay with Hero later, did you forget you had a suspicion of him? I don't like how you made the exact same serious read as him, especially since it's something I'd already answered.

You even want to lynch the same wagons as me, you realize if I'm scum that would make both Dormio and Polaris town right? I'm not even going to look again at wanting to make a Bard wagon, hands off my waifu. Your reads are the three most likely people to gain a wagon. Can we make an 11th hour wagon on Zakeri? Holy hell I finally understand why all the townies jumped on Pamela. Okay, seperate plan. Come bus my buddies with me Zakky-chan. Then you'll have time to make a ~*second*~ post and we can pretend this one never happened.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 16, 2011, 10:03:42 AM
Actually thinking on it, looking at my two choices and the Tree Stump rule, I'd rather clear up suspicion on Dormio then Polaris. I have faith Dormio would be more useful as a confirmed town. Chaore would be even better but apparently I've put a pox on lynching him today. -.-That doesn't change that I'd prefer to send Polaris to hell on a scumminess standard first though, but I'm surprised no one else has pondered this.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 16, 2011, 10:42:41 AM
@Dormio: If it was a misrep, I apologize, however thats how I felt the most about your posts. Your kind of contradicting yourself, you claim you dislike people with a lack of content, however you also say you "forget" they exist...That is something I believe should not be easily forgotten if that is what you hate.

@Shadoweh: Even with your answer I do not like how you question capt.h if you believed J.O.B. to be town. Although my main problem with it is the fact that you passing off that by saying "UK said capt.h turned J.O.B. into scum." as humor disturbs me. You made a good question, but I believe it has the intention of distracting me. Also, you twisting the saying of Try Hard being a town tell is strange, due to the fact that I got accused of Try Hard early last game, and I was scum. So your assumption that Try Hard is specifically a town tell is not something I'm willing to believe at all.

@Bardiche: ...Theres nothing I really see in his posts. Or atleast I can't seem to find anything that really makes me want to look at him more. Or more like I seriously don't find him interesting me at all for some strange reason. >: Except his avatar.

@NeoSerela: I still find it strange that your apparently only okay with voting Dormio. Also, why did you decide to drop Dan to quickly? I dislike the fact that you are completely basing everything on meta. Your dismissal of Dan also sounds more like noise then anything else. Also, why did you feel you had the need to defend huh what? Your post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714949.html#msg714949) sounds like an indirect defense of him. Is there any reason for it?
Also, I dislike how you are calling everything we do against you overreacting. This is making us question ourselves which makes us over think. If you did not have 3 people to answer with, why state those 3? You did not believe them all to be likely scum, if so why did you answer with 3 and not just your suspect?

...Screw it I'm not believing any of you till a flip comes in.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 16, 2011, 11:10:37 AM
It was humor. I thought it was pretty funny. Why do you all hate my jokes? ;_; I believe my question has the intention of you answering me. I'm not twisting anything. Trying hard is something town does. Scum don't have to try hard, they already KNOW everything. Did someone seriously say you were trying hard last game? >.> Because you weren't, and you know it. Don't deny what experience has told you is true.

Your vote reeks of laziness and sitting it down because it's too much effort to find someone else scummy. We're short two voters, we need all the townies here actually analyzing content. Serela gave three names because I asked him to, stop attacking him for answering a reasonable request.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Rikter on September 16, 2011, 11:36:15 AM
@Shadoweh: Huh what seems fine to me now. I honestly can't think of anything suspicious other then the triple vote.

huh what and Serela were cool because their posts flow well and don't feel forced or scum-motivated and are agreeable in general.

Why does Serela's posts seem so agreeable to you? It might just be me but something about Serela just seems off.

As for Dormio you said in post #117 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715295.html#msg715295) you were going to post why you thought Serela and Chaore are scummy yet you haven't said anything else about this other then "dislike Serela in your post after it.

For me it's a choice between Dormio, Polaris or Serela for me. However i would like to hear what Polaris and Dormio have to say before I decide entirely on Serela. If I don't get a chance before lynch then I might as well vote just in case.

Vote: Polaris

I really don't like how you say Serela is fine and would like an explanation for why.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 16, 2011, 12:16:51 PM
I disagree that YJ's posts look like they're coming from somebody who has no buddies. There's not enough content to actually be read into at this point. However, I think her choice to jokevote on a decently-sized wagon when serious discussion is going on has scum intent, because she's pushing for a lynch while trying to avoid attention. Even her jokevote being on a "policy lynch" makes it seems like she's trying to blend in with the rest of the crowd. Newbie passes are silly, and on a related note, Rikter would do well to post some scum reads instead of town reads. Newbscum have an easier time generating posts about who they think is town, so I don't think we should ignore the possibility of him as scum before he actually talks about who he thinks is scum and why.

I haven't forgotten about Dormio, but it's hard to actually press him due to timezones, and I'm more interested in YJ right now.

Do you hate me that I'm new? Do you suspect me because I have "scum intent? I have no buddies.
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Posting here before I go to bed.  Looks ugly already.  However,  I agree with Dormio about the RVS votes.  They should be made on the spot and should be largely spontaneous.  I simply don't understand what could have prompted Chaore to post that.  Moreover, the vote on job seems not just to be purely random anyway because Chaore is makes a quip about "Keine-tan's" vote which suggests that voting Job is a bad choice.   Chaore, what do you think of Job right now?   It's clear that you think something about him, or at least about voting him. 

##: Vote Chaore


UP THERE^ He's scum because he's trying to create a scum read by twisting Chaore's intent.

##Vote ActionDan
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 16, 2011, 01:09:44 PM
Zakeri, are you suggesting a Bard x Shadoweh x Hero scumteam while complaining about Shadoweh making scumteams? ლ(?ロ?ლ) Please tell me "Shadoweh and Friends are trying to distract Town" isn't meant to be scumteam proposals because if so, seriously, what. If you're suggesting Bard x Shadoweh scumteam due to the buddying DORMIO did with SHADOWEH in IRC MAFIA, then doubly 'what'.

Chaore, are you trying to offend me or something? V: I don't feel like a repeat of last game.

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Does he still think that Chaore and Serela are the only people he wants lynched?

Hi, huh what. Good you're asking. This is no longer true in Chaore's case. If I want to sustain my vote on him, I'd have to reach; generally, that's a sign to me that he's not as scummy as I initially thought, and while I still dislike the wording, I guess I really can't cling to that one bit.

Serela is still all kinds of AUGH to me, though. Whether or not it was due to Shadoweh's baiting, providing a list of "Top 3 scum picks" while saying he wouldn't want to lynch them strikes me as odd; this may simply be due to Serela being Serela, but it's still rather jarring that one can provide a Top 3 and yet support none of it. It permits him to jump onto a train easily (and by that point he must have thought me a viable target as he did, indeed, jump onto me) because he "had that as a scum pick". It strikes me now that Serela never deigned to acknowledge that my jump on Chaore was not at all sudden and completely out of left field; do you still think so despite my mention of Chaore before, Serela?

It's lines as these, though:
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I actually don't remember what it is, anyway.
when saying that "capt h's case isn't bad" but following up by saying he pretty much forgot the entire thing doesn't seem like Town attentively looking for scum or anything. You talk down capt h on one of his points, then discard his entire case for yourself as being nothing worth remembering. That is odd, given capt h's case is easily one of the most argumented out there.

Augh, that entire post is terribad and Serela going mea culpa doesn't endear him to me.

##Unvote
##Vote: NeoSerela


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But Bard, aren't you going to look at--

No. Deal with it. IF I HAVEN'T MENTIONED THEM THEY'RE NOT SUPER INTERESTING TO ME.

The post above makes ActionDan interesting, though.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 16, 2011, 01:37:21 PM
Alright, I'm feeling rather chipper today after a good night's rest.   Time to get on with those reads!

Quote from: Polaris
Hi guys I'm back from school.

huh what vote was a jokevote. I posted at like midnight or something and chose the person that stood out the most.
It's all right now, huh what. You aren't not very cool now.  You're just uninteresting, as always.

##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan

Dan has the whole "overreacting to Chaore's random vote" thing, but then there's also "I don't feel comfortable with your post" which is kind of an odd (and maybe a little forced) reaction to what was a jokevote. Do you mind explaining? :L

Other views coming soon, maybe.

Quote from: Polaris
I define "jokevote" as "not a serious vote", which makes my vote a jokevote because I didn't seriously believe huh what was scum from those actions. You're trying to force your interpretation on everyone. :/ (Please do not confuse a jokevote with a random vote. I will concede that my vote was not random, but it was a joke.)

Also, I never claimed you were misrepping me. (However, I am claiming now that you are misrepping me for saying that I had claimed that you misrepped me. are you confused yet lol)
I'd like an explanation on how I was misrepping you, however. (And maybe define the word "misrep" in case our definitions are totally differing again.)

The thing is that you are also basing your vote on me on the fact that you believe your vote to be a "jokevote."  How are you not guilty of forcing your interpretation when you say I had an "odd reaction to what was a jokevote" when I did not think that at all.  That should have been clear because I did not simply say "I don't feel comfortable with your post,"  but I asked you to clarify what you didn't like about HuhWhat's posts.  The question would have been non-sensical if I'd only believed you to be jokevoting.  This is the source of why I cried "Misrep!", because you muddled the intentions of my earlier post asking you questions about your "jokevote."

Your lynch is the one I'd like to see happen today because you are the laziest in making cases that to me you haven't thought hard about and that are not forthright or genuine for a townie.   (besides Rikter and YJ, the latter of which immediately makes me want to slap him to a plane of non-existance).

In fact, YJ, have read this game?  The words you used sound copied from Serela, but more-over I've already said that I didn't realize what chaore "intended" with his edit section. Besides Chaore was free to answer my questions directed at him, which consequently cleared up the confusion. 

Holy shit: Bard cut tacitly agreeing YJ.  WTF.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 16, 2011, 01:39:39 PM
Woah, what the hell it was 4 hours ago I swear.

Anyway, I like Serela's awesome case on me.
There's just something about Dormio that's wrong. I can't pinpoint it. Not even vaguely pinpoint like I did with Bremm last game. It's just lots of little details based on other little details that build up into a scum read but aren't really things that can be put into words without not looking like a case, at all.

...actually, wait a second, now I don't know who to vote :c They're all lurkies or people I'm unsure about or Dormio.

...okay, after rereading again, Dormio is still the only person who I feel good about voting right now :c
So uh, can you at least say what the little things are?

I really dislike how huh what calls my post cheerleading in #137.
Tell me, please, exactly what was I meant to add at that point about Serela when he hadn't posted?
Also, I honestly don't know what you expect from me from #139. I mean, lurkers gonna lurk. They have no content and it's only D1. wat do?

Since people don't seem to understand what I'm saying about Serela, I'll restate it again.
First of all, he's heavily defending Chaore in #68/69. Serela gives the reasoning that "the wagon is terrible" for why he feels the need to defend Chaore, but why would he want to defend Chaore in the first place?
The stuff that happened around #80 also raises a lot of eyebrows for me.
Basically, what it looks like right now is everyone jumping on me because OH GOD I ANSWERED SHADOWEH'S QUESTION EVEN THOUGH THERE ISN'T ACTUALLY 3 PEOPLE I'D LYNCH RIGHT NOW.

This makes me sad ;_;
Why would you list three people then? You even gave reasoning for all of them.
I dunno, Serela's #74~81 looks really bad to me.
And Serela's entire #134 is nothing but waffle. Seriously.
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YJ- "Needs to learn how to bold" (Copied from Shadoweh)
Rikter- You say nothing about what you think his alignment is.
huh what- Looks town and scum, don't know.
capt.h- "Don't remember what your case is"
Dan- "Dan is being Dan"
Dormio- "Something is wrong. I don't know what, but something is wrong."
Opinions where?

Making another post.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 16, 2011, 01:48:15 PM
"Those who are allowed to shoot are those who are prepared to be shot."

The Return of the Black Knights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLuuGKpMVB0)! The Ninth Votecount!
Shadoweh (3) - Zakeri, Hero999, Chaore, Zakeri
Chaore (0) - Bardiche
Dormio (3) - capt. h, NeoSerela, huh what
ActionDan (2) - Polaris, Youkai Jesus
NeoSerela (2) - Dormio, Bardiche
Polaris (3) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter

Not voting: Nobody!
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~16.5 hours.

If there is no majority at deadline, then the day ends in a No Lynch. Better step it up.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 16, 2011, 01:50:43 PM
@mod:
NeoSerela (1) - Dormio, Bardiche
Is this an error?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 16, 2011, 01:54:35 PM
Holy shit: Bard cut tacitly agreeing YJ.  WTF.
Anything to comment about that other than "WTF"?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 16, 2011, 02:01:36 PM
Anything to comment about that other than "WTF"?

What's so WTF about that?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 16, 2011, 02:17:25 PM
This is why I went WTF.
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The post above makes ActionDan interesting, though.

And I don't really have anything more to say except it's impossible for me to comprehend why Bard would say this in response to YJ's post which was the absolute epitome of voting laziness.  Bard should come back and explain his word choice.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 16, 2011, 02:28:41 PM
Polaris (2) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter
Is this a mistake?

I'm going to school in a few minutes, but will do what I can to sort out which of the other potential lynch targets I'd be willing to see go once I'm back.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 16, 2011, 02:30:46 PM
How is my vote the epitome of voting laziness? I read through every post about three times now and I got nothing. So earlier Shadoweh got that guy whose name starts with L to help me.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 16, 2011, 02:51:43 PM
I wasn't suggesting a Shadoweh/Bard/Hero scumteam. In fact, aside from the thing on poking Serela, I don't really think anything Hero's done is bad enough for a vote. Although, I can see where I screwed up the wording.

I'm not holding what Bard did against you. I'm holding it against him. I just put it in your paragraph because your quip about who his three scum are is just noise generating, and that was the noise it generated. Seriously, it seems to have come out of no where. Did you suspect Serela enough that you needed to ask him for alternate votes, or was that also a part of your attack everyone style?

As for why Teams before flips is bad, take this example from Bardiche's Vanilla Mafia: Note the difference between the last part of Polaris's post here, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,7485.msg477087.html#msg477087) where he discusses scumbuddies and This post here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,7485.msg477525.html#msg477525) For those dense enough to not get it, Rou and I picked up on everyone claiming we were scumbuddies of different townie, so we tried to force that feeling more. The basic point is that trying to link two people together gives Scum the chance to get you to tunnel on a townie.

Quote from: Shadoweh
Quote from: Shadoweh
You need a sense of humor, the joke was about UK calling people who vote her scum.
:colonveeplusalpha:
##Vote: Shadoweh for muddling up my ability to read the game.
this is what I get for trying to think too hard on day one.
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It was humor. I thought it was pretty funny. Why do you all hate my jokes?
It wasn't humorous, it wasn't all that funny, and honestly, you needed to put a lot more work into making it look like it was a joke (like at the very least say "Just kidding!")
Seriously, i might just hold this against you for the reason of the game and have it filed under "Lynch all Liars."

Bard just got worse in post 154 above. He Misreps Serela by saying he doesn't support any on his preferred lynches, One of which he was already voting for. The other two he only provided because Shadoweh asked. Serela got caught in a gotcha game, and Bard is milking the point. Also, why is he blantantly sheeping a case that YJ probably made in five seconds? If Shadoweh insists that Trying too hard is a town tell, can we lynch Bard for not trying at all then?

9 cuts, forget this. I've spend ten hours of the second and probably last day I'll get the house for myself in a month trying to wade through this crap.
##Unvote:Shadoweh
##Vote: Polaris

I'll probably spend more time on bard tomorrow.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 16, 2011, 02:53:30 PM
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How is my vote the epitome of voting laziness? I read through every post about three times now and I got nothing.

#1) So the only thing you gleaned out of 150 posts is that I'm scum because I unintentionally misrepped Chaore? 
#2) Your vote is lazy because you can't be bothered to state how I twisted Chaore's intent to create a scum read, which is an utterly preposterous notion that someone can have a scum read by the top of page 2.  As I'm thinking about how redicoulous this is, I realize that I could apply your own logic to yourself.

"UP THERE^ He's scum because he's trying to create a scum read by twisting ActionDan's intent."  That was easy.

#3) If you truely have nothing, what prompted you to vote Shadoweh page 4?  Was it simply that you failed to do so page 2?
#4) If you couldn't tell, "I got nothing" is infuriating.  clarify what you mean by that.  Can you simply not think straight? Does Mafia confuse you greatly? Does it mean you can't decide who is likely scum/town (besides me apparently)?  If its anything but the last question, you should replace out.

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 16, 2011, 03:08:19 PM
Votecount fixed. Try doing this at 6:30 in the morning.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 16, 2011, 03:19:28 PM
#1) So the only thing you gleaned out of 150 posts is that I'm scum because I unintentionally misrepped Chaore? 
#2) Your vote is lazy because you can't be bothered to state how I twisted Chaore's intent to create a scum read, which is an utterly preposterous notion that someone can have a scum read by the top of page 2.  As I'm thinking about how redicoulous this is, I realize that I could apply your own logic to yourself.

"UP THERE^ He's scum because he's trying to create a scum read by twisting ActionDan's intent."  That was easy.

#3) If you truely have nothing, what prompted you to vote Shadoweh page 4?  Was it simply that you failed to do so page 2?
#4) If you couldn't tell, "I got nothing" is infuriating.  clarify what you mean by that.  Can you simply not think straight? Does Mafia confuse you greatly? Does it mean you can't decide who is likely scum/town (besides me apparently)?  If its anything but the last question, you should replace out.

Why are you so mean? Do you hate me or something? I can't think straight for many reasons. And yes, Mafia does confuse me greatly. To an extent that I have to stop the fawk I'm doing and just throw it to the all literally. And sprain my neck at the same time.

1) It wasn't an unintentional misrep. It wasn't even a "misrep". It was twisting his intent to make what he was doing LOOK scummier than it actually was. Something like that isn't done unintentionally.

2)I have stated why it is scummy. You're making something as simple and innocent as a random.org vote into a serious accusation. This is scummy. What is not explained? Also, this point you brought up is an attempt at deflecting.

3)I put a vote down to see what would happen. This was also before I started getting help. I am new at this after all. Also I saw everyone going "QUICKLYNCH SHADOWEH" and stuff like that. I also revoted on Page 4 because when I looked at that update by PX, I was like "WHUTYINOVOTECOUNT?" and reposted. Also I was on my phone in the middle of class. And with the teacher right in front of me, I did what I had to do weally fast. So that my phone no go bai bai.

4)I don't "got nothing" anymore. Your response to my vote by deflecting my pressure and trying to get me to REPLACE OUT is only adding to the original reason I voted you.
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Even though you dislike that I'm voting for you to be lynched, you don't have to be so freaking mean and evil-sounding that it actually pains me to read your posts. And I wanted to replace myself too. You're so mean. But whatever.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 16, 2011, 03:32:19 PM
I'm ending this conversation immediately.  I do not wish to upset you anymore.  Instead I'm going to get out opinions on HW and Serela.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 16, 2011, 03:36:07 PM
Bard just got worse in post 154 above. He Misreps Serela by saying he doesn't support any on his preferred lynches, One of which he was already voting for. The other two he only provided because Shadoweh asked.

Really now. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714895.html#msg714895) Serela went pretty hard backpedaling on that, and you're honestly going to say it's a misrep? Really? You want to pretend he never backpedaled hard the moment he got asked? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714889.html#msg714889)

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Serela got caught in a gotcha game, and Bard is milking the point. Also, why is he blantantly sheeping a case that YJ probably made in five seconds? If Shadoweh insists that Trying too hard is a town tell, can we lynch Bard for not trying at all then?

The question here is rather, "Why does Serela deign to give answers to Shadoweh?". It's already been shown through his own words that Serela produced a list of top 3 scummy people to him despite undermining how important it is. He states clearly he doesn't want them lynched. He states clearly that he just picked them 'because he had to', and he's clearly using faulty arguments to pick them even. It feels hastily and sloppily done, and if he were Town, why at all would he care to provide such a list eagerly just so Shadoweh might not think him scum?


Anyway, basically, everyone needs to stop being dicks because you're scaring the newbies away, and the newbies need to grow some balls and stop getting upset so easily. Mafia is a cutthroat game of paranoia, so you naturally feel aggressed easier than is actually intended. Replacing out is punishing the mod, not the players. If you truly think someone's a dick, then be a dick back by surviving and getting his goddamn ass lynched for being a scumtard.

Now then. We're getting dangerously close to No Lynch and I am not going to stand for that. I'll look over Dormio/Polaris/Shadoweh cases, but from what I've seen of them I'm not entirely impressed. (Dormio feels wrong but I can't explain it, seriously, Serela? SERIOUSLY?) I'm hoping we'll be getting a lynch today or we're handing over initiative to scum.

Remember when I told you to stop time, Shadoweh? >: If you became a deity overnight by eating MAGICAL CRYSTALS I'd really like it if you'd stop it for a few so we can get together and have a wonderful lynch tonight!

I'll be going out for now, though, so I'll have to lend my weight to a wagon later. If anything I don't think I'll vote Dormio, and I'd vote Polaris over Shadoweh at this stage, but find Serela the superior lynch. This may change on a re-read but now you know where I stand.


I deign not to respond to the Youkai Jesus matter right presently. You're gonna have to wait until later for that. I'm a busy man etcetera.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 16, 2011, 03:47:03 PM
LLD replaces Youkai Jesus as a mentor hydra. This is the only hydra to be allowed, proceed as normal.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 16, 2011, 06:13:32 PM
Sadly my only magical girl power has been to eat time, not stop it. I'm not Sakuya this game either. For you, my Bardiche, I would try with all my power.
I will comment more when I return from running across town and losing at poker.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Pesco on September 16, 2011, 08:20:29 PM
Get your own link here! (http://get.your.own.link.here) The Tenth Votecount!
Shadoweh (2) - Zakeri, Hero999, Chaore, Zakeri
Chaore (0) - Bardiche
Dormio (3) - capt. h, NeoSerela, huh what
ActionDan (2) - Polaris, Youkai Jesus
NeoSerela (2) - Dormio, Bardiche
Polaris (4) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter, Zakeri

Not voting: Nobody!
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~9 hours.

If there is no majority at deadline, then the day ends in a No Lynch. Better step it up.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 16, 2011, 08:54:08 PM
Sadly my only magical girl power has been to eat time, not stop it. I'm not Sakuya this game either. For you, my Bardiche, I would try with all my power.
I will comment more when I return from running across town and losing at poker.

:< What I was just joking. Why are you roleclaiming.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 16, 2011, 09:01:24 PM
...If we don't get our priorities right now I'm quite sure someone will fuck things over and we will end with a No lynch.
Our votes are fucking everywhere.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 16, 2011, 09:17:51 PM
Chaore has been prodded. There are 9 hours remaining.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 16, 2011, 10:02:55 PM
Oh. I found the words that YJ's post reminded me of.

Hw's #33 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714553.html#msg714553) is where I was going to start anyway with why I didn't like HW this game.  Hw's insistence that Dormio was twisting a RNG RVS vote into a scum tell strikes me as opportunistic, especially after claiming that Dormio's could be "the first serious vote scum would make," even though it was the first serious vote anyway, and paves the way for HW's own, 2nd, serious vote.  Although HW grouped me and Dormio as having the same quality of vote, it manifestly obvious that my post was not just "I agree with Dormio," but "I agree with Dormio, but moreover blah blah blah..."

Considering HW announced their were additional reasons to dislike Chaore's RNG RVS votepost, I don't understand why HW choose not to comment on my own additional reason and was content to group me with Dormio.

HW's #53 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714789.html#msg714789) agrees with the case on Chaore, and quite strongly, judging from " This is not townie usage of one's vote!" but holds back due to wanting more info from Dormio.
Hw had a stronger case on Chaore, as evidenced by the justification for retaining the vote on Dormio, because Dormio's vote "still rubs him the wrong way" which is not an adequate reason to keep the vote on Dormio. 

HW's #84 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714910.html#msg714910) undercuts his reason for suspicion of Dormio with this "People are suddenly throwing around accusations of tryhard a lot, which I think is silly, because now it's just being used as a buzzword. Trying too hard by itself isn't a scumtell, unless you can back it up by saying why you think the manner in which the player is "trying too hard" is scum-intended. People don't seem to actually be doing this."  But at this point I don't see how HW isn't doing the same thing.  Dormio trying hard to twist Chaore's RVS RNG vote into a scumtell is HW's entire case, and it's flimsy.   This looks like self-advertizing of your own case while trying to discredit others.

HW's #98 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715108.html#msg715108) makes sense for the first paragraph, but the 2nd is simply circumstantial evidence which attempts to link up to his previous reason for voting Dormio.  I don't particularly care for Dormios scumhunting abilities, but Dormio seems stuck in his ways in such a manner that I simply don't consider scummy.   I don't see why Dormio need mention Chaore when others are clearly more of a priority for Dormio.  It's not like Dormios first vote constituted a hard scum-tell like huhwhat insinuates.  It's not HW can't change his vote on a time either, considering he was content to vote YJ and was free to give opinions on others in #128 without needing to say why his joke was on YJ intead of Dormio besides "I'm more interested in YJ".

HW's #137 makes sense... but HW doesn't vote Dormio until #139 for a throwaway line which could have come from town or scum. 

Basically I'm inclined to believe both votes, the one on Dormio and the one on YJ were vote parks.  I read you as scummier than Shadoweh but less scummy than Polly. 

I'll need to reread Serela, because earlier I didn't like her posts, but recently my gut only doesn't like how unnecessarily verbose they were. 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 16, 2011, 10:36:02 PM
I don't buy into the cases on Shadoweh and Dan. Shadoweh is a town read for me while Dan is just neutral (maybe scum on gut? he has come across as kind of background to me), and I'm not really interested in switching my vote onto either of their wagons. Serela is slightly iffy to me due to the general way he presents himself giving me the vibes of somebody trying to fake acting pro-town, but the cases on him seem to basically revolve around gotcha games being played based on a totally reasonable response he gave to Shadoweh, so I don't agree with his wagon. Polly seems like a rather lazy choice for a D1 lynch, because while I do find it scummy, I don't think that his lack of content has been as absolutely terrible as Shadoweh and co. seem to be making him out to be. Dormio's screwy voting priorities and awkward padding of his posts make him my preferred target, but I'll switch to Polly for deadline if necessary.

Also, Dan's case on me looks like a lot of unnecessary :words: for something he isn't even voting on, moreso to me given that I already know it's wrong. I feel no need to respond to each individual point, because I already know that my response to all of them is basically going to be"that's not how things are or were from my point of view".

Quote from: Dan
HW's #137 makes sense... but HW doesn't vote Dormio until #139 for a throwaway line which could have come from town or scum.
However, I will respond to this, because it in particular makes me feel like you're just trying to nitpick at me instead of finding valid reasons to believe I'm scum due to lolshotgunattacks. How is this even scummy? I accidentally skipped over Dormio's post and rushed my responses to it because I was still taking in new information. Also, that throwaway line was awful. He claims to be considering going after the lurkers and whatnot but instantly waffles back on it without actually scumhunting in their direction like a townie should. It serves no purpose other than to pad out his post.

YJ's actual content is... ??? at this point, but I feel her ED1 was scummy enough that I would still be willing to grill her for it. She seems unnecessarily overdefense, however, so that raises warning signs. Yawn. I'll ponder this more tomorrow because she's probably not getting lynched today.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 16, 2011, 11:13:47 PM
I know you're joking silly. I'm not claiming anything that has to do with this game. Beyond not being Sakuya, who isn't a magical girl anyways.
..Also Poker is tomorrow so I probably will post before then. Shutup I know what day it is!

I'm pretty confident in taking Dan off the list after that last post. I will point out isolation reads tend to make you biased towards seeing everything that person does as scummy. Rereading Serela, I honestly didn't give a second thought to him possibly answering just because he knows I'm town. Maybe that's arrogance on my part. I assume people can actually tell when I sound pro-town and want to cooperate with me. If you've seen what I've said in the past about Serela's mafia style you should understand why I specifically asked him who he thinks is scum.  There might be something to how he says they're not real scum reads, considering I would expect his buddies to tell him to lie and name suspicious townies, and Serela to do a terrible job at hiding that. Mmm. It feels like it would be a crazy vote for the sake of paranoia. I've never seriously voted someone for gut.

I see alot of unnecessary anger being thrown around already. No one wants other players to replace out. You do need to be able to take criticism and people questioning your opinions rationally to play mafia, YJ. Dan doesn't hate you. Overreacting to personal attacks also isn't a good way to play mafia. I disagree with huh what about it being scummy. I think you should stop voting for Dan though and find someone that you are more likely to be voting out of suspicion then out of blind rage. Notably make it one of the wagons with multiple votes so we can get a lynch before time runs out.

You're totally right Hero. Here's an idea, put your vote somewhere useful. A quick glance says Serela, Dormio and Polaris are the most viable options. Get thine self onto a wagon son! Stop loitering. :3
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 17, 2011, 12:25:15 AM
Alright, I would appreciate if Chaore and Hero would move their votes. I don't think Shadoweh's going to get lynched in the next 6 hours.

Don't really like Dormio, but I understand his case on NeoSerela and why he isn't voting for Shadoweh now that he's explained his case again. Want opinions from him on Polaris and Action Dan. Willing to drop him for today. Not thrilled with it, but can be explained by "Dormio being Dormio".

Dan is frustrating, at the minimum. His case on Polaris looks like an argument over what constitutes a ?joke vote,? topped off with a quick ?Polaris is the laziest?. A lot of arguments over RVS: whether using a RNG is scummy, whether Polaris? vote during RVS was a random voting stage vote, etc. Could be Dan being Dan, but still looks bad.

Willing to vote for Polaris. The scummiest lurker in my opinion. He claims his vote on Dan is a pressure vote. Opinion on Dormio is that he?s not an early town read, and that Dormio's awkward. Hypocritical criticism of lurkers, doesn't seem to have strong reads. And as Shadoweh pointed out, this is awful:

huh what and Serela were cool because their posts flow well and don't feel forced or scum-motivated and are agreeable in general.

 
NeoSerela is the waffle king. Says Dan was bad for reacting badly to Chaore?s use of Keine. Then he switches to saying Dan is just being Dan. Says Dormio just feels wrong, but can?t point to any reason why. On everyone else he?s waffled. Rikter is a scum pick, but doesn?t want to lynch Rikter. Doesn?t think my case on Shadoweh is bad, but doesn?t remember it. Says Huh What is town and scum at the same time. Doesn't really have a case on anyone.

Want to lynch either NeoSerela or Polaris. Prefer NeoSerela because I have a more solidified read on him ? Polaris can still change my mind with a good post. Don?t mind a Dan or Dormio lynch since they are being suspicious, but their play could just be themselves.

##Unvote
##Vote: NeoSerela


Since deadline is at 4 am EST, might have trouble being around for it. Would like to have 2 main wagons by midnight, if possible. Would like talking, more compromise, and more vote shifting.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 12:53:27 AM
NeoSerela has been prodded again. ~5.25 Hours to deadline. Better get to lynching.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 01:22:34 AM
Ugh. Got stuck driving around with people all day. It was incredibly boring.

Okay, so, only about 5 hours left, and... Polly is the main wagon, with me in second place. Welp.

Polly just SCREAMS "easy mislynch for scum" to me, but as it's night for many players now, and with motk mafia activity being motk mafia activity (plus opinions in general), I honestly don't think any of the other wagons not named me could pick up fast enough to be the lynch.

So, Not Me Instead of Me, ##Unvote ##Vote Polaris. SIGH :C

If Polly was scum I'd imagine there being a better counterwagon by now. oh wait maybe it's me derp, but wait most of the votes on me aren't disagreeable anyway still don't really think polly is scum ;_;

Huhwhat still looks really strange to me. His targets just don't... I unno. But at the same time there's stuff that makes me go :town: and AUGH CONFUSING, how can I keep getting this even after coming back with a fresh mind ;_; DAMN YOU WHATTLES

My read on Dan turning about into a more town-looking read (Reminds me of how my feelings on Nih from last game went!) is continuing. I feel that Dan is town now. Earlygame was just a semantics disagreement I guess. I tend to get into those on D1!

Need to look at Bard more. Maybe Dormio too. No it's not because they're voting me, that's just coincidence ;_; But that can wait until we get a Polaris flip, because if he actually -is- scum, well, that changes things a lot.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 17, 2011, 01:24:47 AM
Wasn't it yesterday when I started writing this?
Anyway!

Serela:
Nothing has changed from what I previously said about him. Would like to see lynched.

Shadoweh:
I really dislike Shadoweh.
For example, look at her #135. A whole bunch of defending herself followed by a vote on Polaris for coasting.
Why Polaris and not someone like Serela, who similarly gave very few opinions, or Youkai Jesus who hadn't given any opinions at that point?
Every time I read her posts, I get the feeling that she doesn't really care about WHO is lynched, as long as it isn't her.

ActionDan:
I thought he was more townie than not, and would prefer not to see his lynch today.

Polaris: I've got him grouped up with Rikter and Youkai Jesus in the "almost no content wat do" pile, will need a reread.

And cut by Serela.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 01:26:39 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio


Yeah, okay, the wagons have consolidated and I don't want to lynch Serela or myself. I'm not exactly happy about everyone going "Dan is just being Dan" and I'll look over him at night and resolve the issue by the next day.

re: serela's vote on me: :L
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 01:30:05 AM
Wait, sorry, I must've missed capt. h's switch from Dormio to Serela, which puts the latter with more votes. Since I thought Serela would've voted Dormio because I'm town :L
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 01:32:45 AM
"If you want to make a wish for someone else, then you really need to take the time to think about what you actually want."

"ソウチオウライ~
アマリセイサンチャ マサ~
エイサチャァァ~"
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrbhptVpoEE)

Believe in Justice! The Eleventh Votecount!
Shadoweh (2) - Hero999, Chaore
Dormio (2) - capt. h, NeoSerela, huh what, Polaris
ActionDan (1) - Polaris, Youkai Jesus
NeoSerela (3) - Dormio, Bardiche, capt. h
Polaris (5) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter, Zakeri, NeoSerela

Polaris is at L-2!

Not voting: Nobody!
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~4.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 17, 2011, 01:37:13 AM
..I guess I should...but man, my motivation sucks at the moment.
Lets see..who was it again...
Serela, Dormio and Polaris...

@Shadoweh: I like how your specifically telling me to look at these 3. Leadership much? I dislike how your specifically trying to control who I look at.

@Serela: ...I do not like you at all at the moment. To have a gut read with even LESS information on dormio then even my last game? are you seriously unable to list things out? Either way your vote is an utter gamble with no kind of backing in the slightest. Also, everything you've done has little to no information to back up why you believe so. Coupled with the fact that you ruin every LyLo...I'm seriously willing for your lynch, after all you talked about meta, then meta should be used against you as well.
##Unvote
##Vote NeoSerela

Theres nothing about Dormio that leads me to want to lynch him over Serela.

As for Polaris...I don't know his reads. >:
I would like for him to post them in one post if possible.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 01:39:52 AM
Wait fff. Serela was voting Dormio before he switched to me. So lame. B(

I'll switch to Serela for Not Me Over Me if I absolutely need to, but there's still some time for me to push Dormio. :L

Response to Hero999 in a bit.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 01:45:40 AM
Dormio: Why would I be voting for Youkai Jesus? That'd be foolish.

These wagons happening now are so horrible. Serels, Polaris, Claim. Tell us now why we should save either one of you from fatal death.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 01:47:10 AM
I am a Weak Cop. I can target someone, and if the target is scum, I die. If not, they're town.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 01:50:24 AM
...I really, really don't want to claim.

I have a good reason for this and I'd love to tell you... tomorrow. If we could just wait till tomorrow, then even if I get nk'd (Hooray everyone is tree stumps) that would be awesome.

Cut by Polly claiming cop ffff. Okay, well then, I guess I should claim. I have a restricted cop power as well. That's all I would like to say on the matter for right now, because revealing more would be very detrimental to any chance of actually catching scum with it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 01:53:51 AM
Okay I never thought Polly was scum in the first place and now he's a cop too.

##unvote Polaris

Can we lynch someone OTHER then me or Polly, please? >> I can stay up super late if you like, to change my vote to whoever.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 02:01:37 AM
This is a terrible thing to wake up from a nap to.

I would prefer Dormio (still) over Polly over Serela. Nothing has really changed. Polly's claim is less believable due to Serela theoretically counterclaiming him.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 02:04:10 AM
Also same as before my first choice in that matter is ##Vote Dormio

Bard would be #2.

I'm sleepy. I'll make reasons later. x_x Plus it's sort of demotivating to make cases when it's still most probable that either me or Polly is going to be the lynch, due to time constraints if nothing else.

Cut by huhwhat. I'm not exactly counterclaiming him; he has a restricted cop. If he hits scum, he dies (But due to Everyone Is A Tree Waiting To Be Cut Down (I thought we were supposed to be magical girls, not trees, wtf) result still gets revealed) and mine is restricted in... erm, a different way that really needs to not be claimed.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 02:08:17 AM
O_o
Great, the exact reason waiting this long is terrible. You two are basically counter-claiming each other, do you really think you're both cops? huh what if you believe there's a possibility of a counter-claim why would you not want to resolve this?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 02:12:21 AM
-I- really think it's quite possible!

We are both limited cops, and this doesn't seem TOOOOO weird to me. As long as there isn't another cop, then I'd probably go "...uhm, no" and lynch Polly. But I can believe it as-is.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 02:13:41 AM
FYI, I can't necessarily even cop every night, and my choices when I can are limited. This is relevant to why I can believe in two limited cops.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Chaore on September 17, 2011, 02:14:29 AM
Quote
<Keine-tan> Chaore. Post in mafia.
<Chaore> Mafia? Which mafia? Does it give a lot of exp because theres double rainbow and i want more ap for the ap gods.
<Keine-tan> The game. Going on.
<Chaore> it's called mabinogi keine
<Keine-tan> The one run by the incompetent GM.
<Chaore> yes nexon is rather bad at this
<Chaore> actually px is probably worse than them with all his votecount errors
<Chaore> and crap i shouldn'tve said that

Mrrr. I still would prefer a Shadoweh lynch, but I'll relent that it isn't happening today.

I'd prefer either a Serela or Polaris lynch myself. Perhaps it's me naively judging Dormio as... Dormio. It seems more like bad play than anything legitimately scummy. My only slight worry is I can hardly remember anything he's said or done, but that's probably because i'm braindead.

Polaris is similarly just kinda not here in the least, but it seems like he's not trying to really make cases and instead make posts that prove he's alive. Unlike Dormio he seems to be sticking to the Dan case instead of branching out or commenting. I get the feeling he's not actually out there looking for scum but here sitting in to live for the next day and move from there. Wanting To Live isn't a scummy action, as I've had forced down my throat my first few days, but wanting to live as town is often finding out who the scum are. I'd prefer his lynch.

Serela on the converse is actually posting content but a lot of it seems off to me. His rolefishing bit in particular seems like he's trying to devote time to it to look townie for saying 'rolefishing is bad SCUM', which doesn't usually get more attention than 'Rolefishing is bad'. What really seems off to me is his #134 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715597.html#msg715597) which seems to much like he's trying to sound like town who doesn't know what the fuck. Town who doesn't know what the fuck does not admit they do not know what the fuck, ever. He then claims to know what the fuck from a single dormio post and claims him his only one he's willing to vote. By definition I'd find someone trying to be someone who doesn't know what the fuck less likely to be scum than someone just trying to blend in, as it makes Serela stand out.

@cuts: Oh nevermind fuck that, I want Serela dead just because of that. ##Unvote, ##Vote: Serela

No, seriously. You do not claim 'GIVE ME ONE MORE DAY' and a second cop in a set up and get to live. There is no way we have two cops in a game where they can claim results from the grave. Just. No, Especially given the fact that Polly's restriction is beneficial as it prevents a 1v1 between him and his target and ensures a scum lynch day. If we seriously had two cops in this setup we could wall out scum just by town results alone, assuming no overlap. No sane man or even PX would make two cops in this setup.

The fact you're claiming 'totally restricted but uh let me have a moment to think of a reasonable restriction, is a night good' makes me just want you dead to PIECES.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 02:17:38 AM
You two are basically counter-claiming each other, do you really think you're both cops? huh what if you believe there's a possibility of a counter-claim why would you not want to resolve this?
I don't believe that them both being town is an impossibility. As such, I'd rather us not have a false dichotomy between them.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 02:20:51 AM
Okay wagon on me is building. You want a fullclaim? Fine, at this rate I'm not even getting a single use of my power (Because I am pretty much expecting another vote to appear on me rather then more onto Polly or someone else, and I am L-2, soooooo.)

I am Sailor Moon Cosplayer NeoSerela (Motk). I am a Townie Wagon Cop. I have the Active ability [Moon Tiara Magic], which allows me to cop one person who voted me that day and learn their alignment.

I win when all the other factions are dead or nothing can prevent said death from happening.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 02:26:09 AM
I never actually doubted the existence of another cop from the start because of the nature of my role PM (which is not necessary to elaborate on right now). I'm okay with Serela being the other cop unless there is a third cop or something which would just be insane.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 02:28:28 AM
Seriously? My vote isn't moving an inch then. Weak Cop isn't even the real name of the role Polaris claimed, it's Hider. Both your cop roles are usable every day. There is no way you're both town. And you're going to get a use every day you're alive because anyone who refuses to vote and unvote for you at the beginning of a day can be confirmed scum.

"But Shadoweh they could both be town!" No they can't! At the very least one of them is lying their ass off! Guess which one I think it is!
##Confirm Killing the Hell Out of Polaris
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 02:30:28 AM
Okay so, if ther-

wait

did Shadoweh just dayvig?

...*Stares and waits for PX to say a votecount or flip or something.*
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 02:32:58 AM
No I did not just dayvig anyone. Polaris would have been dead hours ago.
Actually, let's think logically.
Serela, can you explain to me how you thought you wouldn't be able to cop anyone if you claimed that role?
And what are the chances of Serela randomly getting Serela? Even with Tewi Dice..
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 02:37:23 AM
Okay fine I lied. I realize now that due to stuff I said earlier, it was kind of too late to lie.

I can cop anyone who was voting me at the end of the day. I lied so that scum wouldn't try to be, y'know, not voting me at day's end or something. But now I realize that claiming it sort of helps make that not true because town would try to coordinate people onto me or whatever but well you know /collapse

Anyway. I just sort of assumed the Me Getting Me was a flavor thing. That all I had really rolled was Townie Wagon Cop, the rest being flavor PX made up.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 02:38:43 AM
And what are the chances of Serela randomly getting Serela? Even with Tewi Dice..
Mod bias? <_< It's a bastard game. I don't think it's worth looking into, because it enters the WIFOM territory of "would Serela fakeclaim himself or not"?

Meanwhile.

##Unvote
##Vote Polaris
After further pondering, I don't buy his claim. "Weak Cop" does not sound like the name of a role that would be in this game from my current knowledge, partially because it clashes with my own role in certain balance areas (not saying anything more than this, sorry). Are you going to fullclaim (ie, include your flavor), by the way?

Serela is probably town, because he knew to claim Townie instead of Town for his own alignment.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 02:39:58 AM
That brings him back to L-2, by the way.

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"Weak Cop" does not sound like the name of a role that would be in this game from my current knowledge, partially because it clashes with my own role in certain balance areas (not saying anything more than this, sorry).
This sentence got mangled. It should read "This is partially because "Weak Cop" does not sound like the name of a role that would be in this game from my current knowledge, and partially because it clashes with my own role in certain balance areas (not saying anything more than this, sorry)".
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 02:40:28 AM
Playing DotA During the End of the Day is a Bad Idea Twelfth Votecount!
Shadoweh (0) - Hero999, Chaore
Dormio (2) - huh what, Polaris, NeoSerela
ActionDan (1) - Youkai Jesus
NeoSerela (5) - Dormio, Bardiche, capt. h, Hero999, Chaore
Polaris (5) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter, Zakeri, NeoSerela, huh what

Polaris and NeoSerela are at L-2!

Not voting: Nobody!
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~3.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 17, 2011, 02:41:17 AM
The case against serela seems hyped.

The most pointed example is capth's post which I don't like for a variety of reasons.  I am beginning to think that I've given you a pass for today simply because I haven't looked at you hard enough. 

The stuff against me and serela seem only to glean the surface.  Yes, I am talking about RVS and RNG with Polaris because his first content post was all about that, and I think it's a bunch of slander. He disagreed. We are having a back and forth.  You haven't taken a side but instead think we are both scummy; me because I'm having an argument with him, and Polaris for different reasons.

The thing is, I find your reasons for disliking Polaris stronger than "Waffle King" Serela.  I mean you just list the waffles and slap scum to it without a better explanation.

@Huhwhat's reponse:  Ok but you did take the trouble to frame that one line awkwardly... and if you read too fast and rushed reponses but had the same intention, I don't think a one liner like that (which I still don't think is bad) should have made a difference so big that you felt the need to include "you are now worse than YJ."


About these claims:

Serela's is worse (although Polaris' is highly unusual) for not claiming fully.  There's no guarentee your telling the truth.  If we lynched Polaris, and he fliped town, and next day we'd still be wondering if we could believe you.  Your claims should be judged on equal merits.  I don't understand HW saying Serela could theoretically be ccing a cop claim because the claim was 2nd.  Serela could just be lying to survive.

Polaris' claim is kinda weird.  What if he copped scum and died without anyone knowing?  That just sounds incredibly wasteful.  I'm not actually sure what I'd do with that claim though if true.  Since claiming early might earn a NK.


millions of cuts, let me read
 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 02:42:37 AM
Also, Serela, why aren't you voting Polly?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 02:43:47 AM
Also, Shadoweh, if you're around, can you answer a question for me?
What players would you want to lynch the most if Polly flipped scum? What about town?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 02:46:33 AM
Well... yeah. There's no way anyone other then me or Polly is getting lynched, and guess which one I prefer?

##Unvote ##Vote Polaris

I'd tell someone to jump on me due to :cop:, but I think I got that covered... :V I got into semantics arguments because I figured they were harmless enough but would still get me voted (And also because I wanted to say some things that I thought needed to be said!), but I ended up being more Serelaey then ever and looking geniunely bad. Welp.

Cut.
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Serela's is worse (although Polaris' is highly unusual) for not claiming fully.
How the HELL did I not claim fully? I sure claimed a lot more indepth then Polly did. Are you talking about me fudging the specifics a little? Sorry for wanting to actually catch scum with my cop. Even if the lie ended up not really working out well for said purpose.

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Polaris' claim is kinda weird.  What if he copped scum and died without anyone knowing?  That just sounds incredibly wasteful.
I'm assuming you've been missing how lots of people are mentioning that everyone can still talk after they die ;P

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Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 17, 2011, 02:47:59 AM
Oh, Serela fullclaimed.  I also believe the claim, and would see Polaris burn.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 02:48:55 AM
Oh I see now. You had commented on not reading a lot of recent posts, so you hadn't gotten to that part yet. Mmkaaay.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 02:49:02 AM
So, Polly is at L-1, then.

I'd personally like to hear Shadoweh answer my question before the hammer is dropped, but is there anything else we're going to need to discuss before closing the day?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 02:51:03 AM
Playing DotA During the End of the Day is a Bad Idea Thirteenth Votecount!
Shadoweh (0) - Hero999, Chaore
Dormio (1) - huh what, Polaris, NeoSerela
ActionDan (1) - Youkai Jesus
NeoSerela (5) - Dormio, Bardiche, capt. h, Hero999, Chaore
Polaris (6) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter, Zakeri, NeoSerela, huh what, NeoSerela

Polaris is at L-1!
NeoSerela is at L-2!


Not voting: Nobody!
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~3.25 hours.
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Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 02:52:29 AM
Okay hold on nobody better hammer me.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 02:55:56 AM
Also, Shadoweh, if you're around, can you answer a question for me?
What players would you want to lynch the most if Polly flipped scum? What about town?
If Polaris flips scum I would prefer Chaore be vigged in the night then be left around the next day to lynch.
If he flips town, uh, Serela should obviously die. It would make me make this face @_@ At Dan as well, since Dan doesn't seem to be considering the implications of the Tree Stump Rule meaning the cop could tell us who he died targetting.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 02:57:01 AM
I'm unfond of Huh What going 'Serela is iffy and feels like trying too hard to be Pro-Town' but refusing to vote her because the wagon is 'made of gotcha games' (it's not).

Still, willing to hammer Polaris if the need arises, but I don't think him scum. I personally don't agree with the Polaris wagon.

You'll understand I'd like to maintain my spot on the Serela wagon, right? ;D Because if I swap off now I'll be accused of scum evading a cop and HAHA, that is a terrible claim Serela and I want to lynch you over it. Seriously. How can one make up a claim so as to INDICT THE ONES ON THEIR WAGON IF THEY GET OFF IT AFTER THE CLAIM, and Serela counter-claiming restricted Cop makes me go :psyduck:, what are the odds.

But yeah, I don't fear the Cop result, think it's bogus anyway and would like to stay on it because either there's only positive results as far as I'm concerned.


I'm incredibly cross with miss Homura. Are you scum?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 17, 2011, 02:57:45 AM
Actually Shadoweh I forgot about it, I only said my first thoughts since I just wanted to get the post out there.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 03:01:28 AM
Okay so Shadoweh seems to have found me out. I am, in fact, a Hider, and I claimed Weak Cop because I thought a cop claim would get scum to try and kill me (and fail, since actions that directly target me when I'm using my role will fail). If I die while hiding, the person I was targeting will be revealed by the mod. There is still something I'm hiding because I don't really want scum to know that information. >_>
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 03:02:44 AM
ebwop totally forgot flavor. I am Alice Seno from Alice 19th, with the ability to look into other's hearts (and thus hide in them as well). But if the evil in their heart is too great (aka they are scum) then I'll die.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 17, 2011, 03:07:04 AM
I still think Bard is scum,
I still think Serela is town,
I still think Polaris needs to flip.

Both of their claims are bad, but Serela has a good excuse for holding back.

Cut: Fff.
What part of full claim or get lynched don't you people understand? The get lynched part? Because I'm fairly certain your role does absolutely nothing when lynched.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 03:08:54 AM
Polaris: :colonveeplusalpha:

Why the hell would you lie as Town when a real Cop could go into all sorts of spasms over you claiming Cop to save your arse. I just what. What. That is an incredibly bad move as Town and a cunning move as Scum.

On board completely with Polaris lynch now. There's no positive side here.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 03:09:46 AM
I copied it from the mafiascum wiki. :V here for your convenience (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hider)
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 03:12:32 AM
I copied it from the mafiascum wiki. :V here for your convenience (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hider)

Mafiascum wiki confirmed for scum.

You understand we're going to have to lynch the guy who lied about being a Cop, right. Because it rather hurts your credibility.


Zak: while you're here, mind clearing up if you insist that I misrepresented Serela when I claimed he didn't want his top 3 scum picks lynched at the time Shadoweh asked him and in a period of time afterwards?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Chaore on September 17, 2011, 03:13:19 AM
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<Chaore> keine what is going on.
<Keine-tan> Even -I- don't know.

okay so polly is the weak cop except he's actually the hider which sounds entirely different and he hid this fact to make himself get nightkilled so his power would go off and serela is the cop who can only cop his own wagon and hid this fact to prevent scum from leaping to another wagon and what?

Are we playing Xanatos Gambit mafia?

I think I'd agree with Polly's lynch on the basis of him originally lying. and did he just claim he copied straight from the wiki and alright yeah polly is probably not town doing this.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 03:14:19 AM
Are you balking at Serela's claim as much as I am, Chaore? :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 03:17:53 AM
If he flips town, uh, Serela should obviously die. It would make me make this face @_@ At Dan as well, since Dan doesn't seem to be considering the implications of the Tree Stump Rule meaning the cop could tell us who he died targetting.
Do these opinions still hold now that he's apparently not actually a cop?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 03:18:22 AM
Also, for the record, I now get the impression of town/town wagons. :/ I'd rather see Polly go, though.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Chaore on September 17, 2011, 03:18:39 AM
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<Chaore> @dict balk
<Keine-tan> Chaore: wn: balk n 1: the area on a billiard table behind the balkline; "a player with ball in hand must play from the balk" [syn: {baulk}] 2: something immaterial that interferes with or delays action or progress [syn: {hindrance}, {deterrent}, {impediment}, {baulk}, {check}, {handicap}] 3: one of several parallel sloping beams that support a roof [syn: {rafter}, {baulk}] 4: an illegal pitching motion (1 more message)
<Chaore> @more
<Keine-tan> Chaore: while runners are on base v : refuse to comply [syn: {resist}, {baulk}, {jib}]

i am indeed making an illegal pitching motion at serela's claim.

I'm more just confused at how this is turning out and half-asleep. Serela's claim is kind of weird, but for some reason I don't find it entirely farfetched- But I would've originally believed a weak cop over it, even with the final rule.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 03:18:58 AM
Well I don't really see how I "lied about being a Cop" considering my original claim is still correct (other than my role name). :L I still die when I target scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 03:23:06 AM
ESGHDGHDGHFHFGTH
WHY IS IT SO HARD NOT TO LIE
I swear to god if you flip town we're lynching you again in the post-game.
I'm now incredibly worried you're going to flip town, but it turns out roleclaims that don't make sense can come from scum as well as town. Can we kill both of them? -.- ..Actually. I know where I've heard Serela's claim before. That was the fakeclaim OMGUS Cop that Pesco wanted to use in Graveyard Mafia.

huh what: Yep. A hider that reveals the scum target it died on? That's more powerful then a 'Weak Cop', not less, and is essentially a cop power.

..And who is Homura? UK isn't playing this game.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 17, 2011, 03:24:22 AM
...role madness...how does it work...
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 03:25:39 AM
Actually. I know where I've heard Serela's claim before. That was the fakeclaim OMGUS Cop that Pesco wanted to use in Graveyard Mafia.
I realized this, and it is what scares me.

Bard makes good points about Serela's fakeclaim, actually. I buy Polly's claim being a silly town gambit.

... Ah, hell.
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
GUT and LOGIC both say that he's more likely to be scum than Polly, I just don't particularly want to believe it because I've found Polly to be worse all day. <_<
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 03:28:49 AM
I hate both of the claims now. The ONLY merit Polaris has to his claim is that he has a WIKI recommending this "let's lie as Town!" move which grants it some Town-motivated reasons but GUH, it is bad.

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..And who is Homura? UK isn't playing this game.

Yeah, but Homura is in this game. Obviously she doesn't need to claim her role or who she is, but she'll probably know why I am very cross with her. She can still make up for this! Post!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 17, 2011, 03:30:59 AM
@Bard: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714889.html#msg714889
"I never said I wanted Rikter lynched, I DEFINITELY never called him prime lynch material."
I don't know if you're just bad at reading, but I fail to see how this says "I never wanted Rikter lynched." Serela was asked to give alternate scum buddies, and you layed into him for not having a good case on a second scum buddy. The point Serela was trying to make was that his secondary case was obviously going to be weaker, but you then took that and twisted it into Serela backpedaling on his reads. Even worse, rereading it again, you layed into his secondary case because you thought he said "Tunneling" and ignored the part about "Rolefishing." Heck, you actually had to backpedal on your attack against Serela before he even responded.

Polaris is scum, regardless of which he flips. Actually, they both are, but I'm still more convinced that Serela is holding a townie card.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 03:31:47 AM
I can see why Polly would attempt the gambit as town, personally. I can also see why somebody like him, who hasn't had much experience dealing with role madness and whatnot, would attempt to make that lie.

However, I think it would be weird for him to plan out a Weak Cop -> Hider fakeclaim as scum. Scum!Polly would probably just have wanted to stick to being the investigative PR, an dwould have chosen something more suitable for an investigative PR claim than a "weak cop" given the rule about ghostspeak.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 17, 2011, 03:34:37 AM
However, I think it would be weird for him to plan out a Weak Cop -> Hider fakeclaim as scum. Scum!Polly would probably just have wanted to stick to being the investigative PR, an dwould have chosen something more suitable for an investigative PR claim than a "weak cop" given the rule about ghostspeak.

Why? wouldn't ghostspeak make the role more believable?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 03:35:54 AM
i am indeed making an illegal pitching motion at serela's claim.

I don't know how the English language works. :V Clearly. I'm just using terms I hear on TV and I use them wrongly.

Either way I mean that it is not really trustworthy to me. A Cop who checks those who vote 'im, but only who vote him at the end of the day. That sounds, uh... incredible. So a Cop who needs to act scummy so people vote him so he can investigate them. Which means that after claiming, anyone who jumps off of him is either A) not interested in lynching a Cop claim or B) scum afraid of investigation.

Intimidation tactics go. No.

@Bard: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714889.html#msg714889
"I never said I wanted Rikter lynched, I DEFINITELY never called him prime lynch material."
I don't know if you're just bad at reading, but I fail to see how this says "I never wanted Rikter lynched."

"I never said I wanted Rikter lynched."
"I did not say that I wanted Rikter lynched."
"Your claim that I wanted Rikter lynched is false, I did not say I did."

There you go, that's how I read that. How do you read that?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 03:41:55 AM
Playing DotA During the End of the Day is a Bad Idea Fourteenth Votecount!
Dormio (1) - Polaris
ActionDan (1) - Youkai Jesus
NeoSerela (6) - Dormio, Bardiche, capt. h, Hero999, Chaore, huh what
Polaris (5) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter, Zakeri, huh what, NeoSerela

Polaris is at L-2!
NeoSerela is at L-1!


Not voting: Nobody!
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~2.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 17, 2011, 03:44:05 AM
> Rule # 13
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 17, 2011, 03:46:17 AM
holy crap: Polaris has a free vote to hammer!  The wagons should have been tied if HW didn't switch.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 03:47:08 AM
Um. :C

That's not very pleasant to hear!

Polly I am the cop and if you hammer I will tears forever ;_;
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 03:47:38 AM
Well I guess you're the cop too but still.

wait that makes it confusing.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 03:48:58 AM
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Serela was asked to give alternate scum buddies, and you layed into him for not having a good case on a second scum buddy. The point Serela was trying to make was that his secondary case was obviously going to be weaker, but you then took that and twisted it into Serela backpedaling on his reads.

I most definitely did not attack him over 'you don't have a good case on Rikter'. Yes, I admit I attacked him over stating Rikter is scum for tunneling (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714881.html#msg714881); but I find the accusation that someone is scummy for tunneling on early D1 to be absurd, given there is very little to go on and you usually grasp at the most scummy thing by that stage. The attack on Rikter was just ridiculous.

That I later went back on that is more criticising that it's not 'rolefishing' (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714884.html#msg714884) if you consider that Rikter is a newcomer and probably would attack something strange at first sight, such as someone voting three times and being coy and saying there might be a reason to it. Huh What was hoping to attract someone, Rikter was attracted and Serela claims he's scummy for it, or at least names him as a "Top 3 scum".

My case on Serela is also more founded (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715929.html#msg715929), also over how he claims capt h doesn't have a bad case but also that he forgot all of it. Inattention much? Town looking for scum would probably do more than just cheerlead capt h's case but then conveniently 'forgetting' about it so he doesn't have to point out what things he agrees with until, likely, someone'd debunk h's case.

Also Serela backpedal (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715985.html#msg715985) as I said, in addition to other inattentivities. (claiming I never mentioned Chaore, for example, before voting him when I quite clearly did)

Quote from: Serela
THERE ISN'T ACTUALLY 3 PEOPLE I'D LYNCH RIGHT NOW.

Serela claiming he doesn't support any of the three he named as lynch targets.

So Zak. Am I still reading this wrong? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714895.html#msg714895)

Top 3 scum pick but they're not ACTUALLY SCUM! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714889.html#msg714889), also the top 3 pick means little. Why did he pick them then? Why not just say, 'That means little right now Shadoweh' and do something more productive rather than post to QTs and stuff just to prove later he really did it?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 03:50:09 AM
In summation Serela is scum, and not because 'omg serela got gotcha'd'. No, Serela is being inattentive and backpedals on his shit while going all mea culpa over everything scummy he does.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 03:52:46 AM
> Rule # 13

If you have something to say you should post it more clearly Hero, so we all get what you're getting at rather than just >implications.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 17, 2011, 03:54:11 AM
@PX: Are role powers shown when a player's alignment is flipped?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 03:56:24 AM
You get Character Name, Point of Origin, and Role Name. No abilities.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 03:58:18 AM
holy crap: Polaris has a free vote to hammer!  The wagons should have been tied if HW didn't switch.

Are you implying that I should hammer Serela? :L Because you can do that too, if you want him lynched that badly.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 03:59:11 AM
>_> And we seriously get to talk in the thread even after death?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 04:03:24 AM
I wouldn't count on that forever. Considering the rule format PX is using it's likely something is causing that rule, so it can be removed.
I Do Not Like Serela's bargaining with the Cop attitude considering he's suposed to be the cop himself.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 04:04:53 AM
Scum appeal to emotion, Shadoweh, is what we call it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 04:06:40 AM
Iunno. I feel like Polly not hammering me when having all the reason to do so takes me from "I don't think Polly is scum" to "Dude... Polly isn't scum.".

...can we pick someone other then me to lynch, though? :C We definitely seem to have more then enough people present to do so.

...somehow I feel that isn't happening though.

I'm screwed, aren't I?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 17, 2011, 04:08:17 AM
Are you implying that I should hammer Serela? :L Because you can do that too, if you want him lynched that badly.

No.  It's just that now Serela's lynch is certain, and it's not ideal.  I obviously want you dead more than serela. 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 04:09:01 AM
No change in Vote Count. 2 Hours remain.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 17, 2011, 04:10:07 AM
Serela, are you kidding?  Polly has no incentive to hammer this early as scum, because it would look awfully bad the next day.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 04:13:05 AM
Oh :c
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 17, 2011, 04:14:32 AM
#Unvote
#Vote Polaris

Wtf do I doooo. Where's Hydra head #2 when I need her?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 04:15:55 AM
What in the world don't just vote me to L-1 if you have no idea what you're doing :C
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 17, 2011, 04:16:40 AM
What in the world don't just vote me to L-1 if you have no idea what you're doing :C

Why can't I? ._. You were L-1 earlier... Right? Or is my phone completely failure.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 04:16:49 AM
I've Caught Up With the Game Fifteenth Votecount!
Dormio (1) - Polaris
ActionDan (0) - Youkai Jesus
NeoSerela (6) - Dormio, Bardiche, capt. h, Hero999, Chaore, huh what
Polaris (6) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter, Zakeri, NeoSerela, Youkai Jesus

Polaris is at L-1!
NeoSerela is at L-1!


Not voting: Nobody!
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in under 2 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 04:19:01 AM
The problem isn't me being put to L-1, it's that you putting me to L-1 without really understanding the game and the consequences of the action :/
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 04:19:09 AM
YJ, why Polly over Serela?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 04:20:43 AM
Just to make this clear YJ DO NOT VOTE NEOSERELA RIGHT NOW as it would cause a lynch instantly. We're more wondering why you voted for Polaris in the first place.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 04:20:57 AM
Because, Youkai Jesus, if you don't state why you want Polaris lynched, you are now enabling a lynch on him. Anyone not on the Polaris wagon can hammer him now, and if Serela flips Scum then we're going to give you the Bad Eye, and if Serela flips Town then we're still inclined to give you the Bad Eye for an unexplained wagon jump at a critical point in time while citing having no idea what you're doing.

): Just so you know, the time around deadline (now) is considered a 'critical' time where every vote counts and is carefully examined.

Where the shit is Dormio anyway.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 04:22:28 AM
Cut, but yeah. Basically you're doing something BIG and IMPACTFUL while going "what do I dooo ;_;", which isn't exactly inspiring confidence. Also in LYLO, a wrong vote is basically suicide so we want you to think about your votes. >:
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 04:23:01 AM
While we're here though, Shadoweh do you still find Polaris scummier than NeoSerela?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 17, 2011, 04:24:17 AM
Just to make this clear YJ DO NOT VOTE NEOSERELA RIGHT NOW as it would cause a lynch instantly. We're more wondering why you voted for Polaris in the first place.

Why would I vote for Serala~?

Where the shit is Dormio anyway.

Probably writing tRoll to Dodge and TSing.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 04:31:28 AM
Why did you vote for Polaris?

(And that's a rhetorical question, it means Dormio needs to get his ass in here because he's been lurking.)
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 04:33:32 AM
I mean, seriously, if you can ask "Why should I vote Serela?", clearly you have an opinion on the Polaris-NeoSerela matter. State it now.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 04:36:00 AM
Why would I vote for Serala~?
I don't know why you would do anything, this is why we're all staring at you right now.
What do you think of NeoSerela?
What do you think of Polaris?
You don't need Lambda here to tell us some of what you think.

Bard: I think Serela is actually worse at this point, but aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa this entire situation aaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 17, 2011, 04:36:58 AM
...Can I please go to sleep?....
This whole situation is just...
...
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 04:37:43 AM
Quote
Bard: I think Serela is actually worse at this point, but aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa this entire situation aaaaaaaaaaaa

Since you're still clinging to a Polaris vote I wondered. Why is Serela worse than Polaris etc. You kept your vote on Polaris all this time so I'm interested etc. :3

...Can I please go to sleep?....
This whole situation is just...
...

I still want to know your opinions in this matter! What is there about Rule 13 you find worthy of quoting!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 17, 2011, 04:43:22 AM
We are being suspicious of ROLE CLAIMS
When the fact is that being suspicious of ROLE CLAIMS is like..out guessing the mod?
Its not good for your health!
Still need flips before you can even have a small belief in role claims.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 04:46:51 AM
So based on their current activities you maintain that who you vote for is scummiest, Hero? :V Then you can go sleep.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 17, 2011, 04:47:20 AM
Vote parking. Can I sleep now?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 04:49:45 AM
I can't exactly switch over yet. I'll be around to hammer though. And I really don't have that clear cut of a different feeling between them. I said what I don't like about Serela's reaction. In fact I could just paste some arms flailing here to describe me right now.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 04:54:47 AM
No change in Vote Count. D1 ends in 1.25 Hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Hero999 on September 17, 2011, 05:15:33 AM
Someone hammer soon.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 05:21:31 AM
I think we should be lynching Serela.

If nobody hammers him, though, then I'll go for Polly at the last minute.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 05:23:36 AM
I think Polly'll be able to hammer the shit out of Serela no problem. :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 05:29:33 AM
He should hurry up. We're running out of time, by my count.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 05:31:34 AM
No change in Vote Count. Deadline is in 40 minutes.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 05:32:19 AM
I think everyone's had their piece to say. Anyone around to hammer?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: ActionDan on September 17, 2011, 05:32:49 AM
I was sort of waiting for Dormio, to see if he is still happy with the serela lynch, even though this is mostly a formality.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 05:33:58 AM
I'm kind of falling asleep. x.x I'll give ten minutes for Dormio to say something before a hammar.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 05:35:35 AM
Well I'm gonna sleep. Fux your morning deadlines.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Serela on September 17, 2011, 05:36:22 AM
What happened to huhwhat thinking I was confirmtown due to knowing to claim Townie in my rolename instead of town :c
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 17, 2011, 05:37:55 AM
I've honestly got nothing.
Not even a response to Bard's case. I'm prepared to come to terms with the fact that I might be wrong on this.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 17, 2011, 05:40:19 AM
You could have just requested a fakeclaim, or rolecopped somebody N0 (that was a thing that happened, right?). :shrug:
Your desperate behavior has kind of ruined most of the townie cred I've been giving you in my eyes.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Lexicat on September 17, 2011, 05:42:44 AM
A lynch is better than no-lynch.
 
Vote: Neo-Serela
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 05:43:24 AM
No change in Vote Count. 30 Minutes until deadline.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 05:44:02 AM
You could have just requested a fakeclaim, or rolecopped somebody N0 (that was a thing that happened, right?). :shrug:
Your desperate behavior has kind of ruined most of the townie cred I've been giving you in my eyes.
This logic is baaaad >.> Oh well only one way to find out

IT'S HAMMAR TIME.

##Unvote
##Vote: NeoSerela
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 05:44:20 AM
Dormio (1) - Polaris
NeoSerela (7) - Dormio, Bardiche, capt. h, Hero999, Chaore, huh what, Shadoweh
Polaris (5) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter, Zakeri, NeoSerela, Youkai Jesus

Lynch has been reached.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 05:48:49 AM
This scene feels familiar. Everyone began crowding around NeoSerela, calling out for his head. This time, he was a pretty magical princess. However, suddenly he recalled something in his past, and decided it was a good idea. And so, he proceeded to DISLODGE HIS OWN JAW and attempted to eat his own brain. Again. And like last time, he failed to accomplish the task, and fell down on the floor.

"Hmm. Guess he wasn't magical enough to accomplish this task."

NeoSerela, playing Sailor Moon Cosplayer NeoSerela (MotK), Townie Wagon Cop, has been lynched!

Night 1 Starts now. Send in any night actions to me and Pesco. Night 1 ends in 20 hours because I'm shifting deadline back so it's better for more people.

A rule has been removed.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Night 1!
Post by: PX on September 17, 2011, 11:47:43 PM
"It seems like this was an eventful night."

Morning breaks, and everyone is gathering at the center of the town. And the only one missing is... Polaris. As everyone is wondering what happen, suddenly a rabbit appeared out of nowhere.

"Polaris is dead! He was looking in ActionDan's heart when suddenly he died!"

Before everyone can take in the news that Polaris just died, suddenly a cry was shouted and Dormio was enveloped in light. Once the light cleared, everyone wondered if Dormio was dead, but his body was missing.

"Hey guys, what happened?"

"Didn't you just die?"

"I got better."

Polaris, playing Neo-Master Alice Seno (Alice 19th), Townie Hider, died during the night!

It is now Day 2!
D2 ends in 74 hours.
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

A new rule has been added!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Night 1!
Post by: Bardiche on September 17, 2011, 11:49:19 PM
... I'd say stuff relevant to yesterday but HEY ACTIONDAN, you probably want to give us an explanation here or we're forced to assume you're a filth scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Night 1!
Post by: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 11:50:28 PM
DECIDE TO HAMMER
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2030906/VSPolly.png)
CURFEW KICKS IN

TRY TO HAMMER WITH PHONE
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2030906/VSPolly.png)
LAG

(this is my bah post)
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 17, 2011, 11:53:21 PM
...Dear god the new rule is going to kill everything.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 12:01:38 AM
Awesome we can lynch everyone at once. 8D

So today is potential LYLO. gud 2 know

Which reminds me while we wait for ActionDan to come in with an explanation on why he's not scum, there's a Youkai Jesus yesterday that deftly avoided stating an opinion one way or the other on the two cases, and I want him to explain why he refused to do so. Mindlessly sheeping is Not OK, and I don't care if you're a newbie or not. You don't need to be a veteran to know that "omg what do i do ##VOTE LOL" is A Bad Move. I don't think he's scum because it's mindbogglingly derp. Explanations are still needed because if that happens at LYLO, we lose by default.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 18, 2011, 12:09:42 AM
I call shenanegans.  I townie [redacted] with the capablility to confirm myself as town when I please but lose [redacted power].
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: PX on September 18, 2011, 12:20:51 AM
Dormio is on V/LA for One Day.

Proceed as normal.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 01:06:44 AM
Holy fuck they were both town.

Dan, if you can confirm yourself you better pull that out now. The only way you can be innocent is if Polaris got nightkilled, and from the look of the flavor someone tried to kill Dormio last night. In fact if Dormio can confirm this, there are 0 situations that end with anything besides Polaris checked you and died because you're scum.

This opens an even stranger question. Dormio wasn't being super active yesterday, why would anyone try to kill him? Looking through him in ISO shows alot of roll to dodge shows alot of uhm.. the only people he hates are Serela and me. In fact he spends most of his posts tunneling on our now dead cop and says Dan is town. Ques ce fuck?

Abput the rules: It seems PX stole the Dreaming God while he was at it. I would assume those are going to change every day. Two kills today on scumspects would be idea, three if we're really certain who's a suspect. We have an infinite amount of vig shots today if we want them.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 01:08:50 AM
Polly must have been the scum kill.

Dormio is either bulletproof or PX just hates me.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 01:09:36 AM
Also, my role has multiple shots, so I have no idea why we're being offered two lynches today, given the Hider. <_< Maybe this game just has Psycho's Plot balance in terms of deaths.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 01:47:00 AM
Also Dormio being granted away on leave when we need him most LOL wut. He needs to explain if he knows about what happened tonight and ffffffffffff this game.

Huh What are you claiming vigging Dormio or something.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 18, 2011, 01:53:14 AM
Well I am still here so I'll make a quick post.
I'm Ayumu Aikawa, townie zombie, which is the equivalent of bulletproof. I'm notified when I'm killed and I was told that I died last night.
Anyway, I'll be back tomorrow or whatever. Sorry about the V/LA.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 18, 2011, 02:02:32 AM
##Vote Actiondan
Claim was proved Correct. Scum is right there.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 02:02:39 AM
┐( ̄ー ̄)┌ So does that mean Polaris died due to a vig shot or due to hiding in Scum's shadow? I'm betting on the latter.

##Vote: ActionDan

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 02:06:35 AM
##Unvote

Actually no. I want to hear Huh What. I want to hear him hard. Are you claiming you vig'd Dormio.

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 02:08:13 AM
Yes, I attempted to vig Dormio. I have four nightvigs which PX says are all the same aside from flavor. If I used one, then I can't shoot for the next day/night cycle. I also have a dayvig that pierces bulletproof, but it removes my ability to shoot for the rest of the game. I shot N1 with the plan that I would ideally use the dayvig on D3. Didn't trust my chances of surviving enough to wait until N2 to use my nightvig.

I didn't really crumb, but it was pretty obvious that I was asking Shadoweh for her input on who I should shoot yesterday, before we ended up lynching Serela instead of Polly.

I shot Dormio because I thought he was scum. I figured it would be good to get him in particular out of the way with my first kill because I tend to tunnel on him a lot when I think he's scum and I'm wrong. <_<
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 02:12:00 AM
Flavor-wise, I'm Prisma Illyasviel von Einzbern (Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya), Townie Jack of All Vigs. My night shots are named Gae Bolg, Excalibur, Bellerophon, and Tsubame Gaeshi. My dayvig is named Nine Lives. I used Bellerophon N1.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 02:24:33 AM
What the fuck is this.

Huhwhat: But...that's impossible??? No, seriously. If Polly didn't die because ActionDan was scum, then he was apparently shot through his protective ability. Are you suggesting the scum kill is god damn piercing?

ActionDan: Use that power. Now. If you are town it is more important we know you're town NOW than have that power later. It'll help in telling us what the fuck just happened, and we kind of need that. If you're town you're literally like the best person polly could've been on when killed by whatever, and you should use that fact.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 02:35:03 AM
Huhwhat: But...that's impossible??? No, seriously. If Polly didn't die because ActionDan was scum, then he was apparently shot through his protective ability. Are you suggesting the scum kill is god damn piercing?
I didn't really think that through. <_< I suck at rolegaming.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 02:37:37 AM
wow i'm tempted to vote you for that right the fuck now but I kinda want actiondan to say something because there may be slight credence if he is actually town

if he's scum you both are lynched today though. That claim is literally just trying to cover ActionDan's ass to me. If you ARE actually the townvig, that's the only way ActionDan could be town at the moment.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 02:42:53 AM
So you're saying I tried to NK Dormio, who would have been a potential mislynch for me, just to set-up an overly complicated vig claim in case Polly hit scum (which there was no guarantee he would do)?

I'm not sure how the plan your theory implies is optimal at all for scum. <_<
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 02:54:37 AM
What I find most interesting is you asked Shadoweh about lynches, Huh What. Shadoweh replied about vigs.

Either Shadoweh is attentive or maybe you two talked it over beforehand? :>
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 02:55:16 AM
I'm saying, if ActionDan is scum you are very likely his buddy whipping something up with the results to make it possible for him to be town. I'm not saying you planned this ahead last night because polly was the biggest god damn threat ever to scum, I'm saying your claim literally only serves to take the result of 'Polly dead, hit scum, Dormio was NK' around so that Polly having hit scum is possible to have not happened. This is a scummy thing to do if ActionDan is scum. You can understand that, right?

I'm not sure how the hell it's optimal knowing what I know, but I'm pretty sure it's optimal if you happen to forget scum would need a piercing kill to hit polly like you did because it makes ActionDan possibly town, confusing town on a clear cut matter and giving them another day with Dan alive. Dormio being the one who is hit is honestly kind of a nulltell of anything because saying 'Scum would never NK Dormio' seems like a barrel of WIFOM to me. It's not impossible for them to have tried to NK Dormio for other reasons than starting a claim like this.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 02:59:58 AM
Well we could just shoot Dormio again to find out.
I don't think huh what is lying. Dormio on the other hand, claimed a zombie. Zombies are clearly scum.
I suggest we lynch Chaore too for suggesting we lynch the town vigilante with the bulletproof piercer.
Oh, and lynching Dan too since Chaore is right. I forgot about the hider immunity.

Wow we can kill the entire scum team today! I'm so awesome.
Yeah it sure is a pile of WIFOM to say "Scum wouldn't bother killing optimally! They would totally hit someone who looks like scum and would be an easy mislynch after tunneling on the cop all day!"
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 1!
Post by: capt. h on September 18, 2011, 03:01:03 AM
Mod bias? <_< It's a bastard game. I don't think it's worth looking into, because it enters the WIFOM territory of "would Serela fakeclaim himself or not"?

Meanwhile.

##Unvote
##Vote Polaris
After further pondering, I don't buy his claim. "Weak Cop" does not sound like the name of a role that would be in this game from my current knowledge, partially because it clashes with my own role in certain balance areas (not saying anything more than this, sorry). Are you going to fullclaim (ie, include your flavor), by the way?

Serela is probably town, because he knew to claim Townie instead of Town for his own alignment.

Alright, explain why you thought Polaris's Weak cop role clashed with your role, but NeoSerela's role didn't.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 03:06:15 AM
It's-- yeah. Chaore, yeah. And the one proposing Dormio wasn't scum NKed because of how ridiculous it was is... SHADOWEHHH!!! Are you scum again.

Well, Day 2 Scum Teams is silly but yeah, I now have my eye on HW and Shadoweh and ActionDan. Re-reading with gusto. Anything can still happen due to LOL ROLE SHENS, and I'm not willing to lynch ActionDan based solely on the results of tonight's actions. So, yeah. Probably a good idea to find a scumbuddy regardless of who you want to vote due to the mechanic making us lynch at least two people: best line up our scummiest for the lynch.

Also don't like Huh What's WIFOM defence. ): Scum don't always do super optimal stuff. Gotta read him though to say if I believe him or not, but I am pretty leery.

Quote
"Scum wouldn't bother killing optimally! They would totally hit someone who looks like scum and would be an easy mislynch after tunneling on the cop all day!"

Except you can't lynch Dormio for "tunneling on the cop all day" because NO ONE KNEW IT WAS THE COP. Until he flipped.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 03:09:26 AM
Also,
Quote
I suggest we lynch Chaore too for suggesting we lynch the town vigilante with the bulletproof piercer.
are you thinking we need the bulletproof piercer to kill the Godfather or a Bulletproof Scum Goon or something.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 03:19:38 AM
Scum may not always do optimal stuff, but they are also not retarded! There was virtually no reason for them to kill Dormio N1 at all. He was an easy mislynch, and targeting him with the NK would have actually been detrimental.

capt. h, how would Serela's role clash with mine? He couldn't have potentially died from its usage.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 03:26:31 AM
Also, I'm wary of people trying to discredit my defense with the mentality that everything that sounds remotely like WIFOM should be ignored. Assuming that Chaore's scenario is true is also assuming that scum are kind of batshit insane. <_<
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 03:43:41 AM
I'm pretty much with Bard (omigod clearly scumbuddying). The only reason I may doubt this is because it's not very often the scumteam claims itself for us, and especially not bailing other's asses out of the fire like this.

@DormioClearlyCouldNotBeNK: ? But... that's not true at all? Optimal play isn't simply 'Who can we not get lynched?' Yes, Dormio was a possible mislynch, any good mafia player knows that can change in a blink of an eye though, especially for something as light as 'bad D1 play'. If he did something like counter-claim the person who flipped that role, yes, he would not be the NK for certain. Dormio wasn't a great kill, but he was also a certain kill if you didn't know he was bulletproof- Scum aren't stupid enough to expect that there is absolutely no doctor-like roles in rolemadness. Dormio wouldn't have received a protect. Dormio's death would've normally told us shit as well, since he did absolutely nothing.

So it'd have been a safe kill. Not batshit insane to take a safe kill over a slightly risky kill.

It's not a detrimental kill at all, either, seeing as Dormio is also an actually competent player in a game boasting several newbies. He's not their only mislynch either, and I don't see why it's so important for them to have him alive to be mislynched. There were other possibilities, and they weren't desperately in need of a bailout card here. It's day fucking 2, mislynches aren't this precious commodity that must be herded.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 18, 2011, 03:45:05 AM
Ok I popped in before I go to bed to see what's going on.  People are asking me to prove my innocence... so.  I guess I will, but I don't want to give everything away just yet.  I can't make heads or tails of Dormio/Huhwhat at the moment.  I'll stare at it long and hard tomorrow.

For now

##:Pretty Confirm
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 18, 2011, 03:52:28 AM
##Vote Actiondan
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: capt. h on September 18, 2011, 04:00:46 AM
The town hider died, and Dan, the player he died hiding behind claims he can confirm himself town at the cost of his role. Furthermore, we have 2 lynches today.

I think Dan should confirm himself town, if he can. Even without the hider death, I found his play to be suspicious.  I don't think anyone liked his vote on Chaore, and I personally thought his case on Polaris, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715935.html#msg715935) was bizarre at best and suspicious at worst, being 50% about how Polaris shouldn't find his reaction to Polaris's joke vote scummy because he didn't think it was a joke vote, then tecking on how Polaris looked lazy and not genuine to the end of his case.

Basically, Dan is a suspicious player caught with 5 aces in his hand and claims he can prove the 5th came from the deck. There may be more desirable lynches purely in terms of post quality, but none of them were found with their hand in the cookie jar (to answer Bard's concern), and they aren't claiming a role that confirms itself town.

Furthermore, if Dan is confirmed town, it means Huh What is far more likely to be a vig (or SK at worst) and not scum, because someone would have had to have killed Polaris. So we would have a confirmed townie in Action Dan, and a player who is very unlikely to be scum in Huh What.

-5 cuts-
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 04:02:05 AM
Let's see. I've suggested Dormio is scum.
Dormio is bulletproof.
Who could I possibly think the bulletproof piercing vig is for. HMM.

That's not why I believe him though. More it's because scum has no reason to take a risk to try and stop Dan's lynch right now. And as a Town Vig I would expect them to come forward with information that could put the night's results into question. A scum Hitman isn't a rare role for a shenanigans game.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: PX on September 18, 2011, 04:08:22 AM
As the remaining magical girls ran around talking hysterically in an effort to figure out how one of their own came to meet such an awful and fatal end, the same rabbit that announced Polaris' death suddenly emitted a light

As the light grew in intensity, it seemed to share a conduit between the rabbit and a particularly coquettish magical girl.

ActionDan's pretty face lit up with such a warm glow that not one of the awed magical girls could mistake the identity of the renowned Pretty Sammy, alias of trusted good-doer Sasami Kawai.

The rabbit smiled a wry smile.

"Such power costs everyone, even one as purely innocent as yourself."

With those words the once bright light faded and changed to a purple hue before completely disappearing all together.  ActionDan swooned and fell pretty face first unto the ground.

"Are you Okay?"

"Yes... I just feel... drained."
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 04:14:41 AM
So we know now ActionDan is Sasami Kawai. Trusted good-doer, does that mean we have to assume he's Town?

Capt H, your theory falls flat given that Huh What claimed vigging Dormio. So scum must've killed Polaris... except Polaris couldn't be killed except if ActionDan were killed due to the Hiding mechanic.

So.

A) Scum Roleblocked Polaris and killed him, PX is a lying mod for saying Polaris hid in ActionDan's heart.
B) Polaris died due to hiding in ActionDan's heart, and his 'confirm' role means PX will lie to Town for him, ergo PX is a lying mod.
C) Scum can ignore Polaris' hide abilities, which means his power doesn't work as advertised, and PX is still a lying mod.

So. Can anyone come up with a situation in which PX is NOT a lying mod, so that the following is true and Dan isn't scum?

A) Polaris hid in ActionDan's heart.
B) Polaris dies only when his target dies, or he targets scum.
C) ActionDan can trade in mystery ability for a mod confirm of alignment, and that alignment is Town.

Gogogo.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 04:23:22 AM
@Bard: It's simpler than that. This is egregiously silly, and something that should get PX banned from mafia forever is going on, but I think at this point we need to admit B is completely and utterly false. Scum or someone else had the ability to bypass Polaris' protection, Polaris just didn't actually know that.

Or maybe he did, given he mentioned he was still hiding something at the end of the day, iirc. If it's something about how he could die, I could see him hiding that. Unfortunately, it didn't do much good to saving him.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 04:24:15 AM
Scum had a hitman shot? I'm not sure how the existance of a hitman would make PX a lying mod.

It would make sense for scum to use a strongman kill on Polly during N1 as an attempt to confirm a townie as scum, actually.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: PX on September 18, 2011, 04:29:15 AM
"With kindness comes na?vet?. Courage becomes foolhardiness. And dedication has no reward. If you can't accept any of that, you are not fit to be a magical girl."

Sixteenth Puella Magi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U4z9hs-dcQ) Votecount!
ActionDan (2) - Hero999, Bardiche, Youkai Jesus

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 ends in ~69.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 04:36:29 AM
Scum had a hitman shot? I'm not sure how the existance of a hitman would make PX a lying mod.

It would make sense for scum to use a strongman kill on Polly during N1 as an attempt to confirm a townie as scum, actually.

A Hider actually makes himself immune unless the guy he's hiding in got lol'd. It works like a Commuter, from what I understand: you're simply Not There, you're Elsewhere and can't be targeted. If the scum can bypass this with a kill I'll permit to believe it. tl;dr scum needs a homing shot that doesn't kill the guy Polaris is hiding in to function OR ActionDan is bulletproof as well and only Polaris got dropped as a result. The latter isn't true, so it must be the former. OK. Not getting further with this so uh.

Either way, still need to reread ActionDan. Just making a case for "we shouldn't assume he's Town just because his role makes PX call him a "known good-doer".". He's certainly being a bastard mod from what I know of my role PM, and I don't think him being a lying mod would be too farfetch'd. Either way, I think it's prudent to check ActionDan's actions and not his role for conclusive ideas on whether he's scum or not, because I am certainly not going to let Lol Soft Treestump (not explicitly said you're Town? Then I am NOT taking it as mod-confirmed Town) et in the way here.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 04:47:15 AM
PX: Do we have a 100%, bastard-free guarantee that Dan is aligned with the town?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 04:50:39 AM
huh what: What's your kill flavor?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 05:30:20 AM
huh what: What's your kill flavor?
I wasn't told. I just know the names of my vigs.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: PX on September 18, 2011, 05:52:11 AM
PX: Do we have a 100%, bastard-free guarantee that Dan is aligned with the town?

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Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 06:40:21 AM
ActionDan read done! This is verbose.

Let's start with the first post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714548.html#msg714548), where he asks Polaris about what he dislikes about Huh What's post. Huh What had, up till then, voted Shadoweh three times, coyly responded it might have a reason and then yeah. It doesn't really feel like honest effort put in which is kinda silly, and the defence of Huh What is notable considering Huh What's defence of ActionDan right presently.

When we get to his second post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715039.html#msg715039), I'll note that the first line includes an excuse not to have participated much yet. He did this previous post, too, and there are sixty posts before he makes a first thing that can be considered "putting effort", and even then he apologises for not contributing because he was idling (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715395.html#msg715395). Clearly, scumhunting is not a big priority for ActionDan. Less Dan, more Action, please. Surest case of Active Lurking if ever I saw one.

There's a big promise of a big case in that second post I linked, but he never makes good on this until the Day is almost done. Obviously I don't need to talk about how this is all convenient for people who don't want to scumhunt, right?

Of particular note I find that he only mentions people who were popular talks at the time and doesn't come forth with anything original. They're literally the people talked about by others with the exception of me. So far he has now skillfully put off touching any of the beginning wagons while being 'there' if they develop by promising reads on the players later. That he waltzes in as the man who'll clear the confusion (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715454.html#msg715454) while STILL only talking about people everyone's a-twitter about further shows no originality. His mention of Chaore mysteriously evaporates and becomes just a one-line toss-away mention that the rest of Chaore's posts are town enough. Was there any reason he wanted to talk about Chaore at all? It seems like bandwagon hop setup to me.

Finally near the end of the day, as I said, he comes forth with who he wants lynched (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715935.html#msg715935). Coincidentally the same guy he voted AT THE START OF THE GAME just as we left RVS... and the vote was cast with the following:

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This feels like backtracking.   One of your reasons for voting me "Dan overreacting" is highly unoriginal (and as I will explain later, untrue) while the other is an intentional misrep and something that I bet you added to try to give believability to your vote.

Legitimate at the time, but he fails to ever account for anything Polaris does afterwards, and never comes up with the reason "Dan overreacting" is "highly original" or how Polaris is "intentionally misrepping". In fact, this is the very first time he mentions he wants anyone lynched and uh, I want to point out we have less than 20 hours remaining in the day. That's an awful late time to join in with "this is who I want lynched"... and conveniently it's the guy he voted over a triviality.

He only mentions Polaris of his promised bucket list who is still a prominent lynch target and a popular choice. Latches onto what's popular and has now skillfully avoided ever doing anything original beside looking at people others have called scummy.

That he complains about me tacitly agreeing with YJ is strange given how he slammed Polly so hard for "omg intentional misrep". To clarify now: the interesting part would be your response to the matter; Youkai Jesus makes an accurate observation in that you began talking about Chaore doubting Keine and that there was more to it. It was a valid observation and matter to raise, so I thought it interesting to see how you'd respond.

The promise of reads still progresses no further than Polaris, and the Day is almost done. He has done literally nothing so far. Nothing of value.

When he later talks about Huh What (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715982.html#msg715982), it's a bonafide chainsaw defence of Dormio, and a mention that he disliked Serela. Of course, Serela case is hyped (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716225.html#msg716225), he says later, whatever that means. Is this the result of 50 hours of holding off on posting, promising reads and playing DotA?

Talking about how he gave capt h a pass for the day is downright laughable if you consider he gave everyone a pass for the day and, outside of finally latching onto Polaris near day's end, he never pursued anyone as being possible scum. Oh wait, he had that stuff on Shadoweh that he never acknowledged her responses on or updated with new information.

In the end he returns to RVS again. Laziness right there, nothing original and nothing from the past 50 hours.

So there. He went through Day 1 casting a vote exactly twice. Once for Chaore over "there must be a reason you used Keine to RVS!", and the second for Polaris because "backtrack and highly unoriginal case on me", which reads more like "Backtrack and OMGUS".

Cut by PX saying he can't guarantee he's not a lying mod. In other words, I see no reason to believe ActionDan's claim, I find him wholly unsupportive of the scumhunt efforts and his Day 2 contributions so far have been MORE OPINIONS LATER and using an ability. The former sounds awfully familiar, and no, I'm not content to wait until 20 hours left in the Day for ActionDan to mire on about RVS.

##Vote ActionDan
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 06:45:38 AM
Also, if PX really is a lying mod, then a post-game discussion on what is and is not proper modding etiquette is in order.

TIME TO READ SHADOWEH AND HUH WHAT! Yeah, you two are the most vocal defenders of ActionDan by chainsaw defence, so we're going to examine the possibilities right away.

Would scumteam seriously fall in our lap this easy? I don't tend to believe so, but you gotta work with what you get. Too ridiculous/good to be true doesn't mean it's necessarily false. Throw away logic and kick reason to the curb, let's just look at them.


IF YOU THINK ACTIONDAN IS TRUE AND HONEST TO GOD TOWN, THEN PROVIDE REASONS THAT DON'T INCLUDE ROLES. Note that my case above completely removes the issue of roles from the equation with the exception of discarding ActionDan's role as lolgarbage. If the mod can't decisively call you Town, you're not proven Town. If you really ARE Town, then you've been given the shittiest iteration of Tree Stump I've seen thus far.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 06:52:47 AM
:< Bard, we can't elope if you're going to be like this. Do you need a mechanic?
I'm not defending Dan. I'm defending huh what, get it right. I'm obviously just bussing Dan though so it's okay.
There is still the possiblity that Polaris died against Dan, huh what shot Dormio, and the actual kill failed out there somewhere. I question whether Polaris's target would have been shown at all if he had been shot by scum instead of dying of his natural causes.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 07:03:15 AM
Why is it so unlikely Huh What is the scum NK? ): ~*gambits*~ aren't a Bard-only thing.

Look, whether Polaris died by Dan doesn't matter, okay? Just... try to form an actual case on why people are scum instead of hanging yourself up on role shens solely. They can point you towards someone, they're not definite material.

Now are you going to sit on your arse and just talk about possibilities or are you going to display why Huh What is Town and someone else is our nasty scum?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 07:24:18 AM
Bard posts again! ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌ Deal with it.

ლ(?ロ?ლ) Hero! After going all "omg role claims!!! rule 13!!" you're not blindly jumping at roles! Please come play again! I liked you when you were talking!  ヽ(;▽;)ノ Do it for rabu and peesu!

ActionDan! Stop disappearing and start contributing! ( ?・‿-)~ lol brb doesn't work as a suitable defence here.

And Shadoweh! You immediately condemned ActionDan here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716823.html#msg716823) and olev, but I can has more pls? ( ・ω・) Why are you speculating  the Night Kill reason you know better than this. It's just throwing confusion around and a setup that whoever attacked Dormio must've been Town! This is tying yourself to Huh Whatty, y u do dis.

As for Huh Whatty, you said you asked Shadoweh for input on who to shoot. Why Shadoweh in specific, and why should I be so surprised she comes out to immediately argue the Dormio-attacker is Town? ლ(╹◡╹ლ) I don't want to conspiracies but you're making it easy here. Why are you full claiming anyway?! Just "lulz I shot dormio sry" with your reasons would've been enough and yet we get immediate full claim! Using WIFOM to defend yourself against Chaore isn't Townie.

(T▽T) Chaore you are my shining pinnacle of hope here.

> Capt H post
( ゚ Д゚)
Dan you realise Polaris dies if he hides with Scum, meaning no one needs to have "killed" Polaris as he died due to a side-effect of his role? Unless lying mod ofc.

Youkai Jesus you make me go ლ(?ロ?ლ). Please explain your vote and don't just haphazardly swing it around. We need reasons here.


☆〜(ゝ。∂) Pretty pretty princess emoticon spam because whee the above post took all my hardcore serious. I'm still very serious and want this Town to get into ACTION and do stuff rather than twiddle thumbs at this role conundrum. Role madness needs a certain bit of augh my head with regards to roles and there's nothing to it but some good old fashioned scumhunting. Don't let these shens get in the way of that! Who's scum!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 18, 2011, 12:32:41 PM
...PX WHAT THE FUCK...SURE ILLYA IS CUTE, BUT THATS TOO MANY NOBLE PHANTASMS!!!
I like freedom and fun rather then love and peace :)

@Huh What: I ask of you. DID YOU REALLY TRY TO KILL DORMIO?
I don't care if you answered with a claim. I want you to repeat the answer with a Yes or No.

@Bardiche: I sorely hope you are not over thinking things. I like taking things at face value. The fact that Polaris died while looking at ActionDan's heart is more then enough of a reason to lynch. How is this role madness if you are making us NOT look at roles?



Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 18, 2011, 02:19:22 PM
Bard your case makes me rage inside.  I'll address it in my next post (36 hours from now obv).

Maybe we should think about this logically while role speculating.  First I think Polaris searching my soul was pretty obvious from the end of D1, considering that I was the only person whom he thought was scum for the entire day, and the fact that he announced that he'd search me last night.   With Serela and Polaris having investigative abilites I would think scum had a way to counter the Hider role, which is pretty powerful.  My guess is that Polaris was hiding a vulnerability to his person or to his role when he mentioned he had still more to tell.  I see it two ways.  Either Scum has a framer ability that they planted on me to make Polaris die when he entered me, or Scum had a way to destroy his immunity and kill him which would still trigger an announcement because Polaris said this "If I die while hiding, the person I was targeting will be revealed by the mod."  I am of the belief that Scum have BOTH powers because otherwise one of their own would be a sitting duck.

I don't know which way it went, but if scum killed Polaris, then HW is likely telling the truth about his vig shots.  If Scum framed me, then Huh What's actions are more doubtful.  However I see no reason for HW to claim as Scum. 

Does anyone happen to have a naturally EVIL heart?  If so I'd be more inclined to believe that Scum shot and killed Polaris without framing me.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 04:27:50 PM
Why is it so unlikely Huh What is the scum NK? ): ~*gambits*~ aren't a Bard-only thing.
Because I'm not dead and you aren't dead, and huh what isn't bad at mafia. More importantly there's no scum motive for that kill.
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Look, whether Polaris died by Dan doesn't matter, okay?
Yes it does. As it stands, if we can't figure that out, we have no nightkill to go on. Nightkill speculation is good by the way and I know better then to dismiss it. I think I'll let other people decide for themselves if they read huh whatty's claim as town like I do. For me it's more confirmation of what was already there. Since I didn't suggest Dormio, if huh what could point out what made him personally suspect him it would help.

Actually I feel the need to comment on your attitude here. People who are working together in the thread probably aren't scum together. This is Town congregation ground. On top of that the town can't win if everyone is too paranoid to work together, like you are heavily implying we should be. A kitten told me town needs to feel comfortable talking and scum will do everything in their power to shut them up. Also, I love role madness and you can't take that away from me.

So let's not ignore roles, it's time to investigate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6DgP_gorVQ&feature=related). Dan is right, Polaris outright told us he would be checking Dan last night here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716155.html#msg716155). This increases the chances of the results being tampered with. Two cop roles increase the chances of there being a counter. Take these and add the target confirming himself as innocent? Ignore the troll rabbit's response. The flavor of the confirm is similar to the night results. This line is all you need.
"Such power costs everyone, even one as purely innocent as yourself."
So I changed my mind. We have both a way Dormio wasn't nightkilled and an innocent result from the Hider target.
So let's see, the one throwing doubt on the confirmed innocent result is... BARDICHE! Bardiche are you scum? Is there a particular reason you believe Dormio is townie with all of your heart? I'll make you a nice deal, if you tell me why you're ignoring Dormio as a suspect and defending him as a scum kill, I'll make a nice case for you on why huh what is townier then thou. Dormio was effectively, looking back at votecounts and suspicions, the counterwagon to both Polaris and Serela.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 04:30:22 PM
Also, ignore the button mashing man over there. As far as I know there's no evil in my heart.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: PX on September 18, 2011, 05:05:32 PM
##BGM: worldenddominator (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR6PYrjEzcQ)

"Slice up your cow tits and make me a sandwich!"

The Seventeenth Twilight Votecount!
ActionDan (3) - Hero999, Youkai Jesus, Bardiche

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 ends in ~56 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 06:38:31 PM
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<Chaore> okay keine who do we lynch
<Keine-tan> Everyone.
<Chaore> This makes perfect sense.

@ActionDan: haha no, you're going to be posting again much sooner. And very often. Just because KYUBEY of all people says you are innocent, you're not off the hook. You've been roleconfirmed as both alignments and one of them is lying. Normally how we would figure which is lying is not dumbly trusting one over the other, by you know, doing what Bard said and looking over you?

@Shadoweh:  You're taking too much into NK speculation (Also known as Wifom of the twelfth degree) and roles and less into actually scumhunting and making cases on scum. At the moment you're suggesting Dormio is scum. Why is this? Because he is bulletproof and Huhwhat has a piercing shot and is clearly town except we have no guarantee he is town, and having a bulletproof piercing shot doesn't make Dormio scum, but able to be killed by Huhwhat? Dormio being town and Huhwhat being town are not mutually exclusive, and neither is proven- using one to say the other is false is BAD. We have a way to kill bulletproof scum btw, it's called lynching their faces in.

And, as hypocritical of me as it is to further take part in what I'm saying is Wifom, I also have an objection (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmFPO6S6Tvw) to your claim- You are suggesting a lawyer (probably better known as a Framer) then? That would allow scum to mess with the results of cops, yes. Even assuming Polly's role is triggered by a framed individual, in that case, what happened to the Nightkill? We can't just assume the nightkill disappeared. We don't even know if there -are- theoretically more protective roles in a game with two different invulnerable townies. And why would -it- and it alone choose to vanish without a trace? We got Dormio's kill shown, despite it failing, why would the other failure be more hidden?

Also, why is town alone more likely to work together, Shadoweh? That's like asking scum to work together so they can get a free pass.

I still think your scum from yesterday, and I'm not liking your ignorance and dipping into wifom today.

##Vote:Shadoweh.

I need to run to check my mail now then I'll properly read over huhwhat and ActionDan.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 06:46:09 PM
@Huh What: I ask of you. DID YOU REALLY TRY TO KILL DORMIO?
I don't care if you answered with a claim. I want you to repeat the answer with a Yes or No.
Yes. I tried to shoot Dormio on Night 1.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 06:54:10 PM
Also, Dan, can you clarify on what happened to you after the treestump?

Are you still allowed to vote and such?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 07:12:54 PM
Cases are scummy. =D Now excuse me while I hide from angry kittens four me.

Oh man my idea that Dormio is scummy is out of the blue, isn't it? I never said he looked bad before ever. But since I did an ISO on him earlier you can have 'Did nothing but tunnel on Serela all day while throwing dirt on me'. But yes, the bulletproof does help. Huh what having a piercing shot is irrelevant. What do you think of Dormyon then? Again, you're defending him without ever giving an opinion on him. We need more then one case from everyone and possibly MORE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE TO LYNCH TODAY.

The Nightkill went *shrug*. I don't know. You already said why you don't think it was on Polly. I don't think it was huh what. Where do you think it went? If there are multiple ways to die it makes sense there are multiple ways to stop dying. If you're going to ask paranoid questions I expect you to provide your own theories on them instead of waving and screaming SCUM like a Crock Pot.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're just hoping no one notices you're doing alot of accusing and never making any defining statements yourself.

##Vote: Chaore


And town alone will work in the thread together because the scum are quite busy trying to pretend they don't know each other. Ask a stupid question, get an obvious answer. It's scary when the townies don't want to throttle each other, isn't it?

To everyone: This random wagon everywhere isn't going to fly. We can choose 1-12 people to lynch today. I want Dormio and Chaore out the door. I am no longer sure on Dan. EVERYONE please discuss how many and who you'd like to lynch today.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 07:27:14 PM
RE: Bard: I fullclaimed so people would understand why I shot on N1. Using a vigshot on N1 witohut a role that makes doing so ideal typically only makes sense if you're UK or a similiar player, and I don't think I count as either of those. I would rather not have a bunch of people shouting "OH NO HUHWHAT IS SK" in reaction to my claim. <_< I asked Shadoweh who to vig because she was my strongest town read at the time.

##Vote Youkai Jesus
I actually feel that she is the scummiest player alive right now, for her attempt to blend with the jokewagon on D1 in the middle of the day while pushing it to a large amount of votes. I really can not think of a situation in which I would read that as a town action. Her recent jump on Dan gives me the exact same vibes as her jokevote did - she's attempting to blend in by jumping on an "obvious" wagon while providing minimal actual content. I do realize that she was after Dan at the end of D2, but she's not actually trying to press her case any further or comment on the shenanigans revolving around him. I think that she is probably newbscum.

Dormio is still bad for basically coasting through D1 voting the flipped townie for very weak reasons that barely even implicated his target when he had a stronger case who could have been voting on instead. He did nothing to actually keep his case on Serela updated throughout the day, either, and yet still used his vote to assist in Serela's demise. I feel that this comes from lazy scum bordering on lurking behavior. I want him to be one of our lynches, and would be willing to switch my vote to him to ensure this.

Bard is ridiculous for the amount of conspiracy theories he is pushing, and quite possibly incredibly paranoid. Conspiracy theories almost never win games of mafia, and this should be really apparent after Haruhi and Werewolf happened. Posts like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716991.html#msg716991) are a good example of what I dislike about him, as he used the situation as if it had less options then it really did to discredit Dan. However, I personally felt his D1 actually looked really townie, so I don't see him as that large of a priority - it's entirely possibly he's just an insane townie. Still, the fact that he seems to constantly be pushing on the unlikely options to discredit people is enough to make me distrust his posts for now. I wouldn't mind seeing him as a secondary lynch.

I think that Dan is probably town with a really awful role, if that were not obvious.
I forgot that Rikter was playing. >:
Finally, I support three lynches instead of just two, for the sake of increasing our chances to get an ever-useful scum flip for tomorrow. Especially if Dormio is one of the targets, he should have been dead and dead again last night.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 18, 2011, 07:46:56 PM
##Vote: Huhwhat
HW is scum as seen Here, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716220.html#msg716220) Here, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716284.html#msg716284) and Especially Here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716417.html#msg716417)
Attempting to use a flavor clear (the same kind that was used to clear Bloodwitch last game) and then backtracking on it with a weird explanation. The flavor clear may have been an attempt to suggest that his role also says "Townie" even if it doesn't.

Also, both He (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716226.html#msg716226) and Dan (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716305.html#msg716305) encourage both town wagons to lynch each other. Dan is much worse since Polly would be ending the day, but still.

Classic Newbie hunting (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715480.html#msg715480) pushing against YJ and Polaris for not having a strong presence, even though you couldn't really expect one from YJ. The voteswitch to YJ also seems way too kneejerk for someone who insists he'd rather Dormio be lynched. This post also contains a defending of both Dan and Shadoweh, for parties interested in the latter connection.

Also, Shadoweh and HW's complete lack of scumhunting kind of cinch the cases for me. I think all of them should be taken down today.

Cut:
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If you're going to ask paranoid questions I expect you to provide your own theories on them instead of waving and screaming SCUM like a Crock Pot.
Not to sound like I'm defending my super-duper scum buddy chaore here, but I'm pretty sure the theories he believes in most is the "Most obvious answer is probably the correct one." Namely, the one that doesn't involve a missing, invisible NK.
Also, Shadoweh, it would help the "Dan, HW and I are not the scumteam" case a little more if you actually cited reasons why Chaore was scum instead of basing it on the fact that he thinks you're scum.

HW: Can you tell me how you'd feel YJ's play would differ if she was town as oppose to scum?
Would you have Bard be one of the Lynches? Yes or No?
Also, I disagree that Bard looked a lot scummy on day one, but he looks a lot better now. Could you explain what your feeling is on him more?
Also, if you feel so strongly about Dormio, why are you voting YJ instead?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 07:54:53 PM
I forget there were people playing besides Shadoweh, Bardiche and huh what, with a side of Chaore but he's scum and not invited. I'd rather see no harm come to my Bardiche, I've barely gotten him powered up as it is.

Huh what, if you hate Jesus, what do you think of Hero's post effectively doing the same thing? Jesus pretty much isn't scum.

Cut by Zakeri. >:( First of all, there isn't an obvious answer but do actually share what you think it is. Secondly, you're misrepresenting me. Chaore isn't scum because he thinks I'm scum. He's scum for NOT GIVING ANY OF HIS OWN STANCES WHILE FORCING OTHER PEOPLE TO ANSWER HIS HYPOCRITICAL QUESTIONS.

I'm even more positive we're attempting to throw Scum under the bus right now. Dan isn't a confirmed scum. Attempting to lynch him and people who are his scumpartners because OMG IT'S SO OBVIOUS is the red colored team trying to get away with this bullshit before the proof comes in the flip. Foot goes DOWN.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 18, 2011, 08:23:43 PM
First @Huhwhat:  I can post and vote properly, but I'm as useful as a Vanilla townie at the moment of my Pretty Confirm.

So I was going to dismantle Bard's case (and I plan to do this since I have some quality time now) but something caught my eye.

So I don't like Chaore's thought flow in his D2 posts.

 
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ActionDan: Use that power. Now. If you are town it is more important we know you're town NOW than have that power later. It'll help in telling us what the fuck just happened, and we kind of need that. If you're town you're literally like the best person polly could've been on when killed by whatever, and you should use that fact.

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wow i'm tempted to vote you for that right the fuck now but I kinda want actiondan to say something because there may be slight credence if he is actually town

if he's scum you both are lynched today though. That claim is literally just trying to cover ActionDan's ass to me. If you ARE actually the townvig, that's the only way ActionDan could be town at the moment.

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I'm not sure how the hell it's optimal knowing what I know, but I'm pretty sure it's optimal if you happen to forget scum would need a piercing kill to hit polly like you did because it makes ActionDan possibly town, confusing town on a clear cut matter and giving them another day with Dan alive.

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@ActionDan: haha no, you're going to be posting again much sooner. And very often. Just because KYUBEY of all people says you are innocent, you're not off the hook. You've been roleconfirmed as both alignments and one of them is lying. Normally how we would figure which is lying is not dumbly trusting one over the other, by you know, doing what Bard said and looking over you?


Something happened between the first and last quote.  At first, right after I said I could confirm myself town, you pretty much said that was great news with the implication that anyother person would have conf. scum because they didn't have my ability.  But the next quotes tell a different story using HW as a proxy.  You go from "ActionDan has confirmed townie status" to "ActionDan is only town if HW is a town Vig" to "ActionDan would be clearcut Scum if it weren't for HW confusing town" and the last quote finally reconizes that I'm confirmed by two roles to be of differing alignments.  You said the difference between me being town and scum lays in a re-read of my D1+D2 posting in the same manner as Bard's re-read but I don't see you giving an opinion on my play besides "Post More!" which echoes in my ears from reading what Bard had to say.

I am quite settled on you being one of the town lynches by the end of the day.

##:Vote Chaore

Hero, YJ, and Bard also get to die for voting me without much else to say at the time of their vote which were all after I said I could confirm myself town.  I don't care if Bard voted me and then quickly unvoted saying he wanted to hear more from HuhWhat for vigging Dormio when he should have been thinking about the fact that I could confirm myself as town.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 08:27:14 PM
Because all the NK speculation is being muddled.

Okay, I now too want Shadoweh, HW and Dan gone together. They're confusing the shit out of matters by throwing buzzwords around and suggesting completely reasonable disappearing NKs while Shadoweh argues that shooting Dormio could only have been done by a Town Vig.

Do you know why I want you gone now Shadoweh? BECAUSE NORMALLY YOU AREN'T LIKE THIS. I've never seen Shadoweh try so hard to argue that killing Dormio MAKES NO SENSE FOR SCUM AND THEREFORE IT MUST BE A TOWN ACT, or go all omggg ure the scums. Maybe it's a strategy you're trying due to the high level of newbies.

If it seems like I'm paranoid, it's because everyone is scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg713353.html#msg713353), and because my role incites me to be paranoid while at the same time being completely useless. It's because PX has gone out of his way to make sure no one can trust him on his word.

Do you want to know why I want Huh What gone now? Because he's voting Youkai Jesus. Youkai Jesus whose contributions so far have been utterly useless for Town in determining what he really thinks or where he stands. If he was my scumbuddy I would be yelling at him so hard to get a grip, that I simply cannot believe he can be both scum AND this clueless. I don't mind losing if that's actually the scum strategy.

Huh What claims there are more situations than I provided to claim Dan is scum. I ended that post with an invitation to provide one. Your provision so far has been "mebe scum can bypas it lolz". Well, gee, we figured that one out. Hey, here's a funny thought: you say you expect scum to have a way to counter-act Polaris. How does a fake treestump sound as a counter to that?

Cut by Dan delaying again. So it looks like this is Chaore/Bard VS HW/Dan/Shadoweh. Exciting~
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 08:28:39 PM
@Shadoweh: ...? But... It seems pretty clear to me I was suggesting there was no magical third kill and the scumkill is where we could see it, as in bounced off a zombie? I don't know why I would have been suggesting that Scum killed one of their own. Your reasonings for saying Dormio is scum are awful, and the fact Huhwhat seems to be agreeing with you makes my gut churn. I'm glad you're still busy trying to lynch me proving for all your NK Wifoming, nothing has come out of it at all and you were wasting time.

Explain to me why him being bulletproof 'helps' him turning out to be scum. A power is not inheritly scummy or townie and bulletproof especially so. Dormio did tunnel on the cop with a side comment of 'Shadoweh is scum', but i'm inclined to say he probably actually thought Serela was scum and you're actually scum so. I don't see how him being a counterwagon is relevant beyond you trying to make him seem worse. Yes, He was a possible counter wagon- As Serela was to Polly and Polly was to Serela. Counterwagons to town are not always scum. This is obvious and I should not have to say it.

Also, how am I the paranoid crazy one when you're the one suggesting a MAGICAL FUCKING THIRD KILL, just to prove your buddies as town? I am asking what the fuck your magical basis for suggesting this is, and I'm not one to say that it's fine to suggest we just ignore the one part of the equation we know is true, that is, that scum has a nightkill and used it. I am saying outright why your theory has a flaw, and you're saying 'No! It can totally happen I don't care IGNORE THE FLAW'.

@ActionDan: Cool story bro. Yes, I realized that things aren't as simple as 'Confirm as townie clearly he is townie', especially when the mod doesn't use bold to confirm you. (Rule 0a). People can realize previous thought processes to be wrong, are you suggesting I must always think as I have before?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 08:32:47 PM
I would also like to lynch only 2 people today. I simply don't think throwing more people than we must to the grinder is a very smart move.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 08:36:33 PM
I would also like to lynch only 2 people today. I simply don't think throwing more people than we must to the grinder is a very smart move.

Well, the lynch is Town's surest weapon against scum, but in hindsight it might be a bit too premature. I'm going to say Dan/Shadoweh are my top picks, as Shadoweh Scum implies Huh What Scum due to the covering Shadoweh's been doing for Huh What, and she's the one so zealously pushing that Dan's "treestump" is the genuine deal when it can't even be confidently mod-confirmed.

Also if you're going to nitpick the wording like "purely innocent", the piece also talks about having been drained and costing something. Nothing conclusive.


Lol @ ActionDan going OMGUS against everyone who voted him. Real inspiring that you're not scum, bro.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 18, 2011, 08:59:59 PM
Hey Shadoweh, I heard your evil.

I would like to know MotK's policy on Tree Stumps.

@ActionDan: I don't trust you. I do not believe your claim either. If you became Treestump you should have no worries about revealing your powers in the first place.
@Shadoweh: I don't trust you, and I want to dead for sure.
@Huh What: I'm suspicious of your claim.

hm,...
Yeah I'll go with what I have confirmed Personally.
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh

You die today shadoweh.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 18, 2011, 09:05:09 PM
Giddy up Scum buddies! 

Shadoweh/ActionDan/HuhWhat 3-way OTP will fight valiantly against this deadly town duo of Chaore/Bard Townie Masons!

Bard half your case against me is "Dan is lurker."  You know you might to look at your own game that you hosted to realize I ain't here all the time.  UK literally called me inaction personified.  Here's a hint about me. I like being correct.  And to do that I'll spend tons of time reading over the game and writing up posts and re-reading the game while writing up posts.  That's not to say I don't procrastinate, but it's much more likely I'm either doing something else I need to do, or that I'm working on a post.

To address your other points I'd need to make a seperate post dedicated to them.

@Chaore, yeah, fine, but I don't think the flow suits somebody townie.  There's no "on second thought" .. " actually I think now..," or anyother reasonable way to communicate a change in opinion.  More of the fact you're using HW as a lynchpin to change your views on me.

@Zak, Your point about the end of day 1 crunch time doesn't hold any water for me.  I simply pointed out that Polaris had the power to hammer which made Serela's lynch a certainty.  The vote that caused that was HW's.  Moreover your entire post wheedles around if you think I'm scum.  Are you gonna add your name to Bard and Chaore calling the scum team ActionDan/HW/Shadoweh?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: PX on September 18, 2011, 09:06:27 PM
##BGM: Fearlessness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mdCzjdoy0w)

What is it that I seek?
Perhaps a knight from a far-off land.
What is it that I seek?
Perhaps a bank to help me crawl out of the eternal swamp.
I seek but one thing:
Will I gain a timely rescue, or a time of death?

~Frederica Bernkastel

Nipah~♡ The Eighteenth Votecount!
ActionDan (1) - Hero999, Youkai Jesus, Bardiche[
Shadoweh (2) - Chaore, Hero999
Chaore (2) - Shadoweh, ActionDan
Youkai Jesus (1) - huh what
huh what (1) - Zakeri

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 ends in ~52 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 18, 2011, 09:12:01 PM
ActionDan: If by "lurker" you means "active lurker", then yes. Promising content and not delivering until the day's almost ended, and only delivering content on the people who are Most Likely To Get Lynched means you're useless to Town as a scumhunter: you're only voting what's popular. And even now your vote has been on two people: the now deceased Polaris, and Chaore.

That's not just "lurker" and "trying to be right", that's super lazy to the max extreme active lurking.

##Vote ActionDan

Goddamnit why did my vote disappear what is this shit PX.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 18, 2011, 09:18:09 PM
I completely forgot about my cases on Shadoweh and HuhWhat D1, thanks for reminding me ^_^.  O wait...  Actually let's not bring it up?  they're my buddies and I don't wanna see them lynched afterall.

What's this line for? "And even now your vote has been on two people: the now deceased Polaris, and Chaore."

Is it part of a case on me?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 09:21:44 PM
Why are people calling me scum because Shadoweh is buddying up to me? <_< That's the fault of Shadoweh's actions, not mine. It's possible for scum to buddy up to players who don't have the same alignment, although I don't actually think Shadoweh is a good scum candidate right now (she's been neutral for me since D1 ended). It's annoying that people are acting like they can call the entire scumteam on D2 of all things.  Also, I would think that if Shadoweh and I were scumbuddies, we'd both be competent enough to let eachother defend ourselves. :l

RE: Shadoweh: Hero's looks better to me due to the timing, because people hadn't started to jump on Dan yet. It came off as more reactionary than YJ's vote did.

RE: Zakeri: I think that as town, she would be putting more effort into explaining herself rather than just jumping the gun and voting early with next to no :words:.
Bard probably would have been one of my choices for the third lynch at the time of that post. Now he's pretty much an ideal lynch for me (I'd prefer YJ / Dormio / Bard).
I don't think I fully understand your third question. I didn't really see anything objectionable about Bard's D1 play, and I liked his points during the role shenanigans (which basically convinced me to switch to Serela after I thought about them).
I feel stronger about YJ than Dormio at this point due to the early vote today looking like a pattern in her D1 actions.

Quote from: Bardiche
Do you want to know why I want Huh What gone now? Because he's voting Youkai Jesus. Youkai Jesus whose contributions so far have been utterly useless for Town in determining what he really thinks or where he stands. If he was my scumbuddy I would be yelling at him so hard to get a grip, that I simply cannot believe he can be both scum AND this clueless. I don't mind losing if that's actually the scum strategy.
Using buddies as a defense is pretty terrible. Newbies will still play like newbies even if you support them as a scumbuddy, mainly because they're newbies. CotA is a good example of this.
Also, attacking people just for hunting newbies is ridiculous. If I think a newbie is scum, then I'm going to vote them. I think that Youkai Jesus looks like newbscum. Not all newbie actions are nulltells.

Quote from: Bardiche
Hey, here's a funny thought: you say you expect scum to have a way to counter-act Polaris. How does a fake treestump sound as a counter to that?
...really useless? It doesn't provide a full-on guarantee, so people are most likely going to ignore it. A hitman shot would make a lot more sense as a counter, or alternately a framer like Dan suggested.

Quote from: Bardiche
Cut by Dan delaying again. So it looks like this is Chaore/Bard VS HW/Dan/Shadoweh. Exciting~
Why the fuck would you try to turn this into a dichotomy suddenly? I don't even want Chaore lynched. Ugh.
Same goes for Dan, who now bugs me as well for actually buying into it in a post that cut me. /headdesk
This day isn't going to come down to Chaore/Bard vs HW/Shadoweh/Dan, stop trying to make it turn out that way.

I reallllly want to dayvig Bard because his posts are irritating me but I can't tell if they're coming from derptown or scum intentionally pushing the wrong cases. Except I can't actually stab anybody until tomorrow, so blargh.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 09:22:25 PM
@ActionDan: That's probably because HuhWhat is infact the lynchpin to believing you or disbelieving you. He is exactly what makes you possibly town.

Anyway. Time for definite opinions on the other parts of the Huhwhat/Dan/Shadoweh wagon.

I would not like to lynch ActionDan or HuhWhat today.

The reason for that is simple. Huhwhat has a confirmable role. If Huhwhat IS the nightvig and Dormio wasn't the nightkill, then his kill will show up tommorow as planned. We could also have him use his dayvig, but I'd rather a nightvig confirm as it confirms there is a second nightkill in his actions. If HuhWhat can nightvig, he is probably town who is not lying to bail out ActionDan, but explaining what happened and why ActionDan is probably town.

I'd rather lynch Shadoweh because she is... Kinda almost certainly scum for defending Huhwhat so feverently. If Huhwhat is town this doesn't clear her. She's literallly suggested an ACTUAL magical third kill we had no reason to expect, rather than pushing for the simpler homing shot me and Huhwhat came up with. If Huhwhat is scum she's his buddy trying to explain how he is totes town.

I also think Zakeri is probably town for trying to lynch Huhwhat, because we've all forgotten he's confirmable by means that isn't lynching his face in, and confirmed huhwhat basically clears Dan up. Basically he's asking for the same thing I want by letting Huhwhat live, a means of confirming if he's a liar or not. He just wants to lynch Huhwhat's face in to do that.

I get Bard's case, and... honestly I'm confused why he's going for the end of the wagon that can be confirmed by lynching other parts of the scumwagon, but I don't think it's necessarily scummy so much as being confused by all fuck by this role shenaniganry.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
Chaore: I can't nightvig until N3. :/ My role needs to recharge, and I think leaving somebody alive for two nights just to confirm there role is pretty stupid, even if it's me.
I can dayvig somebody on D3, though.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 09:24:50 PM
Okay, I now too want Shadoweh, HW and Dan gone together. They're confusing the shit out of matters by throwing buzzwords around and suggesting completely reasonable disappearing NKs while Shadoweh argues that shooting Dormio could only have been done by a Town Vig.
You were already pushing to have us gone together, silly. I already put forth the argument that Dormio doesn't make sense as a scumkill. Because it doesn't. And we have a vig claiming to have tried to kill him. Why does your idea that the scum killer claimed the kill make more sense? Especially when there wasn't an extra kill to make the excuse of lolThirdPartySerialKiller. No Polaris doesn't count, that would be the way of scum suicide. What you're proposing is far more insane then my own deductions.
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Do you know why I want you gone now Shadoweh? BECAUSE NORMALLY YOU AREN'T LIKE THIS. I've never seen Shadoweh try so hard to argue that killing Dormio MAKES NO SENSE FOR SCUM AND THEREFORE IT MUST BE A TOWN ACT, or go all omggg ure the scums. Maybe it's a strategy you're trying due to the high level of newbies.
Can you remember the last time I was town? <.< Because if you're basing it on me not acting normally like I have been the last few games I will start matching you emoticon for emoticon. Being scum has also given me enlightenment on how simple town and scum can be when you're not distracted by who's trying to kill you. Let me go find a quote from one of my town games.. here's (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,9674.msg651149.html#msg651149) a good example.
Quote from: Drunk Shadoweh
I'm going to guess she's not a scum bomb, since she's already PROVEN she's Dio Brando with the power to manipulate time! The mod quote you pointed out as her trying to mislead town? She wouldn't be able to make that mistake as scum.
My style has always been to find what doesn't make sense for scum to do. So perhaps you don't know me as well as you think you do.

Hero: ..I was really hoping your questions weren't leading to that. There isn't much I can say besides you're wrong. On MotK, a Tree Stump is traditionally someone who is still able to speak after they die. The rule we had on Day 1 was what they've done here. The version people are talking about is where a person is able to be mod-confirmed but lose their vote on command. Dan doesn't appear to be either, seeing as he still has his vote.

..Why are we turning this into a Bard/Chaore? I want to lynch Chaore and Dormio. :p Don't leave the zombie out of this.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 09:24:58 PM
*confirm THEIR

Fuck.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 09:25:45 PM
Chaore: I can't nightvig until N3. :/ My role needs to recharge, and I think leaving somebody alive for two nights just to confirm there role is pretty stupid, even if it's me.
I can dayvig somebody on D3, though.

...

oh

i didn't notice that well fuck.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 09:29:41 PM
Also when someone is town I will defend the hell out of them and lynch every single one of you scummy bastards trying to dump them in the river. Starting with you, Chaore. You can lynch the townies over my dead body.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 09:33:55 PM
HEY CHAORDICHE WHAT DO YOU THINK OF DORMIO AND WHY IS HE TOWN? I'VE ASKED YOU BOTH THIS AND NOW IT'S IN BOLD YOU YOU CAN TAKE TWO SECONDS FROM TRYING TO LYNCH YOUR CONFIRMATION BIAS SCUMTEAM TO TELL ME.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 09:36:45 PM
Actually, I'm slowly starting to feel okay with a Dan lynch, because a lot of his recent posts seem like he's trying to take advantage of the false dichotomy being presented. If I were him, then I would be entirely willing to sacrifice myself to kill an active player and a confirmable town dayvig who can shoot tomorrow.

However, I don't necessarily think that he's scummier than YJ and Dormio... so. I think I'll have a more definite decision between him and Bard for my preferred third lynch.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 09:37:02 PM
...later in the day.

How do I finish sentences? ._.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 09:39:31 PM
... but then it would mean that the third kill was stopped somehow, and nobody has claimed that they have reason to believe it was. @_@

I don't know.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 09:44:46 PM
They shouldn't. This is already enough of a Day 2 Massclaim clusterfuck. You would be asking the Doctor to claim at this point.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 09:46:42 PM
I never said that they should?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 09:49:13 PM
You didn't. The question implied that someone should answer the ponderings. Do keep in mind our bedfellows.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 18, 2011, 09:52:34 PM
@huhwhat:

I posted that to make fun of it, but also to reconize that people are starting to do this seriously, namely Zak + Bard (and possibly Hero)... I don't like pairing people without flips no matter what the circumstance (granted today we are getting multiple lynchs).  However I have much less suspicion of you and Shadoweh than of Chaore and Bard.  Currently I'm rereading Bard's D1.

I don't understand Hero's vote because he switched from me to Shadoweh without explaination.  His first vote was on me because "I was a clear cut case" but then he switched to shadoweh because  ???.  I don't get "Yeah I'll go with what I have confirmed Personally."
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Rikter on September 18, 2011, 10:24:41 PM
Okay I got distracted by several other things of varying importance and just spent the last hour or so reading up.

So Polaris died while examining Dan making it seem as if they died due to their role but Dan was able to get a mod confirm that has no bold anywhere so it can't be trusted due to the rules. And now everyone is arguing over who is the scum team and who is teamed up with who and any number of people can get lynched but 2 for sure unless everyone votes for the same person or something happens to prevent the Lynch right?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 10:41:18 PM
In a nutshell.
...
I think if everyone only voted for one person, everyone with 0 votes would be lynched. Or in other words we would all die. So a minimum of two deaths today. Try not to think about the scumteams. If you have anything important to say, add it, and let us know who you think is scum. Don't think about teams, look for individual merits.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 18, 2011, 10:55:56 PM
Hi! What's up people!

I don't really understand Shadoweh's case.
I am scum because I was tunneling on the cop D1, with a side case of Shadoweh.
Me being bulletproof is further proof I'm scum.
I like how she tries to push the fact that Serela was our cop as something to be used against me and ignores the others that went after Serela as well.
I made my case on Serela before he claimed cop, and he really was scum(my), damn it.
On the other hand, let's take a look at you.
I feel that, on Day 1, you were not really making cases.
I mean, you said something about Chaore in #50, and since then you've been cheerleading all three wagons of me, Serela, and Polaris.
I do not understand why you are holding the fact that I made a case against Serela against me when you are the one that hammered him.
Even today, I can't really see a case from you aside from "Chaore is providing an alternate series of events that may have occurred and is therefore scum" and "Dormio is scum because Dormio is scum".

On the topic of ActionDan, I don't see why we wouldn't want him lynched today. I mean, from what I understand, if Polaris targets scum then Polaris dies, right?
The bold in the night flavor suggests that Polaris had indeed targetted ActionDan, and he was a hider, so he targets scum and dies, right?
In addition, I find myself agreeing wholly with Bardiche's #341.

Rikter, Zakeri and Youkai Jesus exist? Can we get them all lynched today? Can they post more?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 18, 2011, 10:58:29 PM
In addition, Shadoweh's #375 is all sorts of wrong.
Why do you want people to explain their town reads of somebody if it doesn't look like that somebody is not going to get immediately lynched?

And since I forgot how to play this game apparently.
##Vote Shadoweh
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: capt. h on September 18, 2011, 11:07:57 PM
Things that I notice -

The mod publicly telling us all the kill resolutions. I have never seen such a descriptive end of day.

The lack of a confirmed alignment for Dan using a power that confirms his alignment.

The disappearing votes on Dan. What the heck? If a townie is responsible, they should know I find it extremely anti-town.

I've find Dan suspicious for a while, and that "confirmation" of alignment doesn't do it for me, nor does the OMGUS on the players that voted him prior to his confirm.

##Vote: Action Dan

I don't like the false dichotemy between Action Dan/Huh What/Shadoweh and Chaore/Bardiche, and I definitely don't like Action Dan continuing to push that dichotemy. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717263.html#msg717263) Dan scum does not mean Shadoweh scum, and Chaore scum definitely does not mean Bard scum. Furthermore, I found his reaction to his town confirmation strange, in that he's not exactly recognizing it or even discussing PX's "confirmation". His reaction feels suspicious, and I would really like to know why he hasn't fullclaimed yet since he claims he's vanilla now anyway.

I would like to see you finish your response post to Bard:

To address your other points I'd need to make a seperate post dedicated to them.

It's extremely frustrating how you've been promising reads on your scum picks yesterday, and yet took so long that you never even had a chance to write the one on Serela. I'm tired of you promising content "later" especially considering how much "later" later comes. And I would like to know if you think Bardiche is scum or not.

Other stuff:

RIKTER and YJ have been given too much of a free pass for no reason other than being new. Rikter is better because there might be enough to determine allignment, but YJ is practically nothing but quick votes without explanation to go along with them, with just barely enough content to avoid being prodded. I would like both of them to write at least one post each, 100 words long, on who they think is scum and why in the next 24 hours. And since we can lynch multiple people today, I think we should seriously consider killing YJ today unless he can give us something to work with. At best he's suspicious, and at worst he's newbscum trying to use a newb pass to fly under the radar while giving as little content as possible.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 11:20:40 PM
Quote from: Ran Yakumo
OH MY GOD YOU SUCK!
Okay, so that's not exactly what happened, but..
In addition, Shadoweh's #375 is all sorts of wrong.
Why do you want people to explain their town reads of somebody if it doesn't look like that somebody is not going to get immediately lynched?
What makes you think you aren't getting lynched today? I want them to explain it because their entire argument says you were town enough to be the Night 1 Scum kill and never explains why. Dormio, do you honestly think you were playing well enough that scum tried to kill you? I like the 'Can they post more please' without doing something like commenting on Zakeri's post, where Zakeri basically agrees with what Bard is saying, but you take the time to agree with Bardiche. Zak did post, what did you think of it?

..I'm also going to admit I might be a moron. Rikter reminded me of one of the other common roles in the type of ruleset PX is using that sends messages through the moderator. That role usually has a caveat about not confirming yourself though. Something else I'll admit. My role implies to me that any killing roles will have a method, like in Jojo's Bizzare Mafia. That's why I asked huh what his kill flavor and why I'm positive Polaris didn't die from a piercing vig or something. So you can throw that theory out.

Cut by capt.h being town. Glad my list is still holding up from yesterday. Changed my mind about Hero as well, he's town and pursuing him is pointless.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 18, 2011, 11:23:41 PM
Oh, I disagree with Chaordiche on me having been shot by scum, because I think huh what is probably town.
Similarly, I think that ActionDan is scum.
Also, I don't think I actually saw Zakeri's post while I was skimming through.
I need to reread the topic more.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 18, 2011, 11:25:44 PM
Ha Ha Ha, its nice of you to say such shadoweh, however your still dying today if I have something to say about it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 11:40:01 PM
...

Hero, why do you think that Shadoweh is scum?
You haven't actually elaborated on that yet.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 18, 2011, 11:42:54 PM
..I'm also going to admit I might be a moron. Rikter reminded me of one of the other common roles in the type of ruleset PX is using that sends messages through the moderator. That role usually has a caveat about not confirming yourself though.
!!!
I'd like to point out that I just noticed that PX types actions and scenario information in italics. The post that confirmed Dan did not do this.

It is possible he forgot, though. <_<
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 18, 2011, 11:46:43 PM
Dormio: So basically you just read me and voted me for attacking you? :p

Hero: If you were acting any other way I would be suspicious of you. Just read the discussion today and figure out who the actual scum are.
He has a pretty good reason, huh what. And I think the lack of bold is more awkward. Who wants to study the post carefully to determine if PX wrote it?! :D
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 11:49:47 PM
So you two are suggesting that ActionDan -really- typed up an entire post doing an action commonly frowned on with said role, in PX's style?

...seriously?

Give me a moment to reread the post actually. If what you two are suggesting is true, there should be differences between :ACTIONDAN: and :PX:.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 18, 2011, 11:52:23 PM
Dormio: So basically you just read me and voted me for attacking you? :p
That's a really nice misrep you've got going there.

I like how she tries to push the fact that Serela was our cop as something to be used against me and ignores the others that went after Serela as well.
I made my case on Serela before he claimed cop, and he really was scum(my), damn it.
On the other hand, let's take a look at you.
I feel that, on Day 1, you were not really making cases.
I mean, you said something about Chaore in #50, and since then you've been cheerleading all three wagons of me, Serela, and Polaris.
I do not understand why you are holding the fact that I made a case against Serela against me when you are the one that hammered him.
Even today, I can't really see a case from you aside from "Chaore is providing an alternate series of events that may have occurred and is therefore scum" and "Dormio is scum because Dormio is scum".
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 11:53:59 PM
...Holy shit, I think you two are right.

Note, the rabbit is used to confirm- We're to assume this is QB... but actually, looking at Alice 19th, I think that's a rabbit familiar from Alice 19th. Why would it have anything to do with Pretty Sasami?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 18, 2011, 11:54:13 PM
@Chaore: It's the lack of anything bolded or otherwise formatted that makes me distrust PX's statement.
It's stated in the rules that the only things that can be trusted with absolutely guarantees are things that have been bolded, after all.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 18, 2011, 11:55:31 PM
No, yep. Flavor just hit ActionDan in the face here. That Rabbit is probably Nyozeka, rabbit companion from Alice 19th.

WELP. I suddenly want ActionDan lynched.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 18, 2011, 11:56:53 PM
I never said she was any thing, I just said I want her dead no matter what. I do not feel like elaborating yet. Unless it seems impossible to get her killed
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 18, 2011, 11:58:10 PM
NO matter what you do Shadoweh you WILL die today. I swear it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 19, 2011, 12:00:24 AM
##Unvote, ##Vote: ActionDan.

Putting money where my mouth is. I'm also not liking the idea of humoring Hero's little trip here. You're not going to explain that, I take it?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 19, 2011, 12:02:09 AM
Role Related Reasons.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 19, 2011, 12:18:30 AM
For Sasami it probably would have been a cabbit.
...

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio


Okay, so I'm going to drop Chaore for now until Dan flips. Call it due to tone of discovery. Still want Dormio dead. If people have been watching I'm having problems Getting Posts Out There due to internet explosions, so it's going to take me awhile to do rereads and look over everyone's content today. Or lack of content in the case of newbie central.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 19, 2011, 12:20:44 AM
Hero: I highly doubt that. People don't die when they are killed.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 19, 2011, 12:22:32 AM
Can you at least restate what your case on me is, Shadoweh?
Because I have no idea what it is.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 19, 2011, 12:22:43 AM
Hehehehe Cheeky~

You know what, I'll do you a favor and blow your cover Shadoweh. This will be a pleasure. :P

Hi Fate Testarossa (Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha) - Serial Killer~


Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 19, 2011, 12:33:48 AM
okay what

hero that makes no sense at like, all.

care to explain a bit more for us who you kind of need help to lynch shadoweh from?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 19, 2011, 12:35:54 AM
Wow and I thought you were just a roleblocker. Now you're just lying scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Hero999


I know you looked at me since you got the name right. Rolecop/Roleblock is a typical scum power though, especially in role madness setups. And now I'm not surprised the scum want me dead since you got a glimpse at what I can do. Might as well claim part of why I want Dormio dead then. As of tonight I'm also bulletproof.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 12:38:53 AM
Shadoweh, so you aren't an Sk I take it?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 12:45:15 AM
Also.

I think Chaore's the Doctor

##:Vote Chaore
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 19, 2011, 12:45:55 AM
I'm not sure that question actually deserves a proper response, but let's go with no.
I am Fate though. And I do have my hands on this gorgeous Bardiche.
...
Oh my god.
Hero, so let me get this straight. You're claiming I'm a Serial Killer. You also roleblocked me last night.
Where's the scumkill now?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Rikter on September 19, 2011, 12:47:08 AM
Could we get a Votecount? I want it as a refrence before I go back and try to make some post that make some sense which will most likely be tomorrow.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 19, 2011, 12:47:46 AM
... What the hell is going on?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 19, 2011, 12:48:45 AM
Fufufufu, so your saying I'm scum now?
I like how I gave implications that I know your role, and you drop me as town, and then as soon as I blurt out your role.
...Wait wait what? Role block?
I'm only role cop.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 19, 2011, 12:49:11 AM
Okay, so Dan is probably scum. Replace Bard with him on my preferred lynches, then. No point switching to him because we're getting multiple anyway.
Shadoweh's responses to Hero looks like PANICING! to me. I actually find it a little hard to believe that this set-up has a SK, given my own role. I'm thinking she should claim if scum already know her role anyway. If she's assuming that Hero is a rolecop, then why can't she explain what's going on? :l

Cut by Hero actually CLAIMING rolecop. What.

... This game. <_<
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 12:52:55 AM
Well bombshells incoming!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 19, 2011, 12:56:53 AM
Actually, you know what?
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
We're definitely lynching Shadoweh today. Her reaction to Hero looks exactly like what a caught player would do in this situation, IMO.

Furthermore, I doubt that Hero is scum.
The scum rolecop revealing themself in the middle of D2 just to out a SK (who could potentially be a boon to them!) would be really foolhardy. I think that an actual scum rolecop would have looked for a role safer to claim before trying to lynch a SK. His actions all day look a lot more like they come from town with conviction than scum. I would think that scum would just bring it up at the start of the day to throw everything into chaos.

So that leaves us with a third lynch, which I definitely want. Dan looks like he gave up, so I'll have to re-read the game with him!scum in mind sometime soon.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 01:01:11 AM
Actually I'm not done yet.

I'm just not town.

But I'm not Scum ^_^.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 19, 2011, 01:01:37 AM
There's the possibility they only saw the name of my role. I'd rather not reveal them.
Don't lie to me you scummy double roller. I thought you were just implying you knew I was roleblocked last night. And of course I've dropped you, you're lying about my role. Town don't lie... Uhm okay, MOST town don't lie about things like that. I don't think you would think of that on your own. Therefore, Get Lynched.

Huh what: Or what someone who knows the other dude is lying would do. I'd argue semantics about a Serial Killer being outted by scum but they'd be pointless since I'm not one.

Cut by... Dan.. what?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 01:03:44 AM
I don't want to say just yet :V.

But Chaore is a doctor right :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 19, 2011, 01:06:04 AM
It doesn't matter what your power is. Your name is Serial Killer, thats ALL I need to decide you need to die.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 19, 2011, 01:07:10 AM
I'm fairly certain that Hero is telling the truth in this scenario, if only because the other options make no sense. Why would a Scum Rolecop out themselves to get a townie lynched outside of LYLO, especially when they had been flying under the radar near-perfectly up until this point? It's not like we have to waste a lynch on him tomorrow if Shadoweh flips town, either, because that's what piercing dayvigs are for. This is another one of those cases where all the alternate options rely on the assumption that the scumteam is full of idiots.

Dan's post is :psyduck;. Can we please have another Vanilla Mafia before Serela's game happens?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 01:09:55 AM
Shadoweh Let's Elope to Italy Together!  We could party there all day!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 19, 2011, 01:11:41 AM
Let me put it another way.
Serela: Town Wagon Cop
Polaris: Town Hider
Hero999: ??? Rolecop/Roleblock <--- WHAT DO YOU THINK?

I enjoy this plan throughly Dan. It kind of looks like it might go that way today. :<
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 19, 2011, 01:13:02 AM
What are you calling me?
I claimed role cop, I don't know shit about you getting role blocked, I personally quested Huh What because it was more reasonable for you to kill Dormio due to him targeting you.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 19, 2011, 01:13:24 AM
questioned*
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 19, 2011, 01:15:31 AM
Haha, very funny. I can't kill anyone anyways. I was trying to use a power last night though. Incidentally, I can confirm one-shot powers don't get used up if you get roleblocked, so that's a thing.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 01:17:09 AM
O you guys.

Hint.

I'm bulletproof :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 19, 2011, 01:20:07 AM
I'm bulletproof :V

Too bad you're not lynch proof!

I'm busy going what the hell. Huhwhat, do you understand you are suggesting a 4x Kill Combo, with three kills failing, and two hidden?

What?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 19, 2011, 01:21:41 AM
Honestly? I get the impression that this game either has Serela balance, or two scum. Given that there have now been ~3 bulletproof claims and I can pierce bulletproof with my dayvig, a shitton of killing roles actually seems pretty likely.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 19, 2011, 01:23:07 AM
... not to mention Polly, who was another defensive role. So uh.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 01:24:32 AM
This thread needs more BARDICHE, CAPT.H, ZAKERI, DORMIO, RITKER, THAT SILLY GIRL WHO THINKS I'M A MEAN GUY.  Did I miss anyone?

@chaore.  It's K.  I have a one-shot governer and a lot of other stuff.  do your worst!

##Evocate: NeoSerela
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 19, 2011, 01:25:21 AM
I should stress the extra two kills that are hidden.

Why would half the kills be unrevealed?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 19, 2011, 01:27:05 AM
I figured that my own kill being revealed was a part of Dormio's role.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 19, 2011, 01:27:53 AM
So that's why SHadoweh kept sneaking up to me.

Dan, I can make it simple.

YOU CLAIMED NON-TOWN ON A DAY WE HAVE INFINITE LYNCH WORKS. I think this pretty clearly means Shadoweh and Dan are confirmed to die today because holy shit I am not suffering non-Towns to live. And we can lynch the fuck out of scum afterwards/while we're at it.

I'm just going :psyduck: (http://puu.sh/5OKS) here and am now hating on PX. Because, you know. If PX wrote that post, then he's Lying Mod and in that case I want this game to end as soon as possible, preferably in Town's favour.

If all else fails we should just mass suicide. Ending Mafias in a Draw would be a first. :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 19, 2011, 01:29:05 AM
I'm just going :psyduck: here and am now hating on PX. Because, you know. If PX wrote that post, then he's Lying Mod and in that case I want this game to end as soon as possible, preferably in Town's favour.
Didn't Dan basically confirm that he wrote it himself with his own reaction? He's probably a scum godfather modposter or some shit. <___<
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 19, 2011, 01:31:30 AM
..Well Dan is definitely not leaving alive, but really. treestump with voting powers?
HAHAHA funny
also Evocate? We aren't in CoTA
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 01:34:11 AM
stuff before that line is incorrect!

but this:

Quote
modposter or some shit. <___<

That just might be right.  Maybe. 

Edit: SO IS THIS HOW SCHEZO FEELS EVERY GAME

Post-Edit:

__.__.__.__.__.__.__.__.__.__.__   __.__.__.__.__.  __.__.__.__.__

how do I play this?  7 mislynchs left!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 01:37:33 AM
Hey!

I'm trying to help town here so they don't kill me.  Neoserela needs a pro-town Bahpost.  I'm giving him that chance. 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 19, 2011, 01:37:50 AM
Going by ActionDan's actions,

Day 1
Huh What suspect
Bardiche suspect
Chaore suspect

Zakeri - ignoring
Rikter - ignoring
Youkai - ignoring

Thats all I gleam at the moment.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 19, 2011, 01:38:47 AM
I admit that YJ is proooobably town at this point. :/ Can't see newbscum bussing Dan like that.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: PX on September 19, 2011, 01:38:54 AM
"If you ever feel like dying to help the universe, just let me know. I'll be waiting."

COMPLIMENTARY MUSIC LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQQ1_W7kHuI)

The Ninteenth Votecount!
ActionDan (4) - Youkai Jesus, Bardiche, capt. h, Chaore
Shadoweh (3) - Chaore, Hero999, Dormio, huh what
Chaore (1) - Shadoweh, ActionDan
Youkai Jesus (0) - huh what
huh what (1) - Zakeri
Dormio (0) - Shadoweh
Hero999 (1)  - Shadoweh

Not voting: Rikter
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 ends in ~48.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Bardiche on September 19, 2011, 01:39:52 AM
Didn't Dan basically confirm that he wrote it himself with his own reaction? He's probably a scum godfather modposter or some shit. <___<

I'm hoping for PX that this is the case and even then, it's erring on a side of bastard moddery that I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole. If only because I'm hating on him for making me functional vanilla in a role madness game again.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 01:44:02 AM
Quote
I admit that YJ is proooobably town at this point. :/ Can't see newbscum bussing Dan like that.

Bullocks.  If YJ is town I'd eat my hat.

Hero, I thought Bard and Chaore were town Day1.  I definitely didn't ignore YJ.  Granted I didn't read Zak or Rikter much.  All I remember is Rikter = "HuhWhat voted many times, does that mean hes scum.  Maybe, maybe not?"  Zak = "Didn't like Shadoweh, let me vote twice for good measure.  Then I didn't like Bard forever after"
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 19, 2011, 01:48:08 AM
@Huh What: So...care to explain what the vote 3 time was for?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 19, 2011, 01:49:34 AM
Quote
<Chaore> @8ball Keine, is PX ever going to be allowed to host again?
<Keine-tan> You're kidding, right?

I'm not sure what the hell.

Can we just kill Hero, Shadoweh, and Dan all together? that really seems like the best way to handle it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 19, 2011, 01:50:08 AM
Can we kill everyone then if your going to be like that :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: Rikter on September 19, 2011, 01:52:16 AM
Okay things have gotten weirder and weirder since I said I wanted a vote count post before I went and tried to make anything relatively long but at this point I don't think it matters.

##Vote: ActionDan

Hero's Rolecop claim and Dan's recent claims look like the most inviting and town favorable Lynches. Voting Shadoweh would just even up the votes and possibly cause more lynchings. Besides Dan just might be Bulletproof as they claimed and I'm more comfortable putting them 1 vote from Lynch then potentially causing much more then 2 or three Lynches. And if hero is lying then they could just easily be killed tomorrow.

Cut by Chaore: I think Hero really has nothing to lie about seeing as he could likely be lynched or Day vigged should he be lying.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: ActionDan on September 19, 2011, 01:55:54 AM
##Unvote

##Vote: ActionDan

Sorry I cockblocked you Shadoweh,

Needed to get it in before Bardiche!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: PX on September 19, 2011, 01:57:39 AM
ActionDan (6) - Youkai Jesus, Bardiche, capt. h, Chaore, Rikter, ActionDan
Shadoweh (3) - Hero999, Dormio, huh what
huh what (1) - Zakeri
Hero999 (1)  - Shadoweh

Lynch has been reached.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 2!
Post by: PX on September 19, 2011, 01:57:44 AM
While everyone was arguing around back and forth, nobody noticed ActionDan using his powers to summon up a Pretty T-Rex. Suddenly, the Pretty T-Rex ate up ActionDan! Everyone around immediately started attacking the Pretty T-Rex and brought it down. Unfortunately, Shadoweh was not quick enough to escape from the teetering corpse of the Pretty T-Rex.

ActionDan, playing Pretty Sammy Sasami Kawai (Magical Girl Pretty Sammy), Mafia Roleblocking Godmother, has been lynched!

Shadoweh, playing Magical Girl Fate Testarossa (Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha), 3rd Party Serial Killer, has been lynched!

Night 2 starts now. Send in any night actions to me and Pesco. Night 2 ends in 24 hours.

A rule has been removed.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Night 2!
Post by: PX on September 20, 2011, 01:41:32 AM
And so, everyone repeated the process from the last day. They all gathered around to see who was missing. And lo and behold! Everyone was all there! Huh What begins talking.

"So it seems like everybo-"

Suddenly huh what exploded. Into a thousand pieces.

"Uhhh, I think he just died."

"I think he's dead."

"He's very dead."

huh what, playing Prisma Illyasviel von Einzbern (Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya), Townie Jack of all Vigs, was killed during the night!

It is now Day 3!
Day 3 ends in 72 hours.
With 8 alive it takes 5 to be promoted.

A new rule has been added!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Night 2!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 01:49:00 AM
Well One person I know I can believe to make town based judgements is
##Vote Bardiche
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Night 2!
Post by: Chaore on September 20, 2011, 01:59:46 AM
:akihawhat:

We seriously had apparently 3 kills going on the night before and not one of them succeeded. Really.

What the hell.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 02:00:49 AM
Could assume all of them targeted Dormio and he blocked them all :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 20, 2011, 02:10:15 AM
Well here I'm lynched again.
It's always such a pleasure.
Remember when you tried to lynch me twice?
Oh how we laughed and laughed.
Except I wasn't laughing.
Considering this role, I've been shockingly nice.

You want your town win?
Take it! That's what I'm counting on.
I used to want you all dead but..
Now I only want you gone~


Also, bah.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 20, 2011, 02:11:31 AM
##Nine Lives: Scum
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Serela on September 20, 2011, 02:23:18 AM
Everyone is bahposting? Oh hooray~ PX ninjaed mine yesterday like 5 seconds before I hit the reply button with THREAD LOCK >:C

...my original bahpost doesn't look as funny to me anymore. Oh well, BAH

/me falls over dead, extremely late
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: ActionDan on September 20, 2011, 02:28:33 AM
Baaaaaaaaaah!  Here rests my eternal soul.
Oh ~ damn italics! I Curse You!
Why did that rabbit take me down his rabbit hole?
Perhaps I can do some good yet, yes perhaps I can.
So I summon you, O balance breaker!
Speak now! And utter a prayer.
Inhabit a townie, and curse him!
Your villiany, once more, do share


THIS IS THE WORD OF THE MOD!
##Evocate: Neoserela


Screw Causality, Seriously.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 20, 2011, 02:33:26 AM
@Hero: why are you suddenly voting for Bardiche?

I don't like Chaore anymore after having read through the headache that is D2 multiple times.
If you look at his #369, he tries to defend ActionDan through huh what and he maintains his stance that he doesn't want Dan lynched until people point out that the mod confirmation may have been false.
I mean, it looks to me sort of like Chaore and Dan were relying on the mod "confirmation" to save Dan that day, he tried to keep Dan alive for as long as he could.
In addition, in early D2 he seemed to be adamant in trying to keep the option that I was shot by scum open for as long as possible.

Anyway, I'll be posting again once today's RtD is done.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 20, 2011, 02:33:50 AM
I seriously forgot how to play this game.

##Vote Chaore
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 02:36:48 AM
I seriously forgot how to play this game.

##Vote Chaore

Hey dormio, did you know the rules were changed? Check it up.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 20, 2011, 02:39:56 AM
Oh, what.

>Reread day multiple times throughout the night.
>Forget to check new rules when day starts.

I am brilliant at this game.

##Unvote
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Chaore on September 20, 2011, 02:53:28 AM
@Dormio: I'm going to admit that was a very stupid thought on my part. Basically ActionDan was completely tied to Huhwhat and I was originally going to go straight for Huhwhat's juggular today because a magical third kill out of nowhere was completely unbelievable. I didn't want to lynch ActionDan because I didn't know if the confirmation was false or PX being a bastard mod or an actual confimation or -what-. This is not something that is inheritly scummy, not everyone is Bardiche who is completely willing to disregard something because there is no logical reason for why X happened. I thought the Confirmation meant something, yes, does this mean I am scum? No, and Idiot? Mayhaps. Also yes, I'm not willing to believe in MAGICAL FUCKING THIRD Kills, and my belief you were shot by scum means ActionDan would be scum. Please think things through a bit before you post them. I'm not even sure you understand anything you just talked about.

Speaking of which, I'm fine with Bardiche as King, thinking it over. ##Vote: Bardiche

I'd like to see Hero lynched today. For someone well aware that there is a serial killer in our mists, he didn't actually seem inclined to secure that serial killer being lynched until well after support for lynching them showed up. Infact, I'm pretty sure your original intention was to pile on the confirmed scum instead of making sure the second lynch was the serial killer you knew. Please explain to me why you waited until the second half of the day to even begin your bloodlust of KILL SHADOWEH, well after others had expressed interest. Wanting to keep the Serial Killer alive for a bit is not townie. Given that's also pretty much the entirety of your Day 2, I'm not feeling happy about you.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Rikter on September 20, 2011, 02:54:25 AM
Dan was asking Chaore before Lynch if they were the doctor it's probably important.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 20, 2011, 03:53:29 AM
Every Mafia day, Im in school. Every Mafia night, Im at home. Since ActionDan is gone, I can forcefully throw away dis newbie pass/guise. Time to lynch sum scum, son. Anyway, posting textwall with opinions soon. If you guys aimed for ActionDan wif me, D1 scum lynch would be go.

This is the most I can type in class on Iphone~
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 20, 2011, 05:06:07 AM
I'd like to discourage any more voting. We have a solid 72 hours, and as much as my gut thinks Bardiche is town, I would no more hand over the lynch based on gut than I would lynch a player only on gut. I would like solid reasons for each vote today, just like any other day.

I can?t wait to hear YJ?s cases and scum picks. I?d like to know RIKTER?s scum picks too.

Chaore, I'd like you to explain the reason you didn't like Action Dan's claim when you thought about it.

No, yep. Flavor just hit ActionDan in the face here. That Rabbit is probably Nyozeka, rabbit companion from Alice 19th.

WELP. I suddenly want ActionDan lynched.
I don?t see what the flavor has to do with anything, nor why the flavor changed your mind about Dan?s ?confirm?. In spite of telling Action Dan multiple (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717246.html#msg717246)  times (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717210.html#msg717210) that the mod?s ?confirm? doesn?t prove anything and telling us that you would look over Action Dan and Huh What, you didn't point out anything you found scummy about his play, instead focusing on role shenanigans in that regard. You then pushed a false dichotomy that had it gone through would have confirmed Huh What, and by extension Action Dan, town by suggesting we lynch neither of them and let Huh What confirm his role the next day. Your case on Shadoweh yesterday was also largely about how you thought her role speculation was suspicious.

Actually, your entire play yesterday could be described as role shenanigan speculation. I find it suspicious when it isn't backed by other evidence; while trying to comprehend the setup is essential, it shouldn't take the place of scum hunting, and cases should not boil down to that a player's speculation is rediculous and therefore scummy, or X town implies Y town because of the setup, unless you have other evidence to back it up as well. It lets players impose their will on the interpretation of events on others; as town it leads to bad assumptions such as Huh What town meaning Action Dan town and Action Dan scum meaning Huh What scum. However, scum would want to force and push their interpretation and vote others for disagreeing and being rediculous, especially if the rediculous explanation is true (like a 3rd and even 4th kill).

I'd find you suspicious enough for a vote, if I had one. I would like you to explain how it was the flavor of Dan's confirm that proved the post was fake.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Chaore on September 20, 2011, 05:42:26 AM
I would like you to explain how it was the flavor of Dan's confirm that proved the post was fake.

Quote
<Chaore> @8ball Keine is he serious.
<Keine-tan> Yes. Sadly.

...? But... It was suggested that the post was not actually written by PX. Flavor is an excellent way of proving that, because if you don't fully understand the flavor you can suddenly get very confused and type something completely wrong, like, for example, the fact that a rabbit that was mentioned is not in fact who the writer of the flavor thinks it is. This 'flaw' of a character becoming something it isn't, is evidence that a post was written by someone other than PX. This in turn confirms that the confirmation is in fact, a phony not written by the mod but a player who doesn't fully understand the flavor.

Literally, the giveaway the post was fake was the flavor not matching up. Thus, ActionDan was given away by the flavor of the post.

It's simple if you don't omit everything leading to this conclusion to make my conclusion seem absolutely random.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 20, 2011, 06:08:31 AM
Alright, I read through the start of day, the "confirm", and your explanation again very slowly.

There is a rabbit in Alice 19th, the show/manga/whatever Polaris' character comes from.

You think that rabbit was the one that confirmed Polaris' death.

Whoever wrote the Mod message didn't know that Polaris's rabbit was not QB, and got mixed up.

Which is why it was actually the rabbit from Alice 19th that "confirmed" Action Dan. Which doesn't make any sense.

K, I get it now. I forgot Polaris was from Alice 19th, so it did seem completely random to me. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 20, 2011, 06:33:11 AM
"Welcome to Rokkenjima (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K8XEcZ1tzE)"

The Twentieth Votecount!
Bardiche (2) - Hero999, Chaore
Chaore (0) - Dormio

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to promote.
Day 3 ends in ~67.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 10:30:45 AM
Chaore, I Think as positively as possible. Everything was going insane, So I decided to be insane. Happy? I was thinking of the possibility of SK being useful, but decided against it.I personally expected myself to be killed, after all, if scum believed Huh What's claim, I believe they would have shot me 1st due to Huh What being unable to do anything the past night and this day. Also, I like how your talking about lynching me specifically. Getting rid of the rolecop? I like your thinking.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 11:20:26 AM
Also Let me list this out

Shadoweh > Roleblocked (Possibly by Dan, due to his hammer post.)
Huh What > blocked by BulletProof
Scum > ????
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 20, 2011, 11:56:42 AM
You know, I like how Chaore words it to make it sound as though Hero was withholding information from town for such a long time when it was still within the first day of D2.
Reorganizing thoughts on Chaore:

On that note, Rikter, why would you place ActionDan at L-1 so early into the day?

And Youkai Jesus, the latest post is not looking very good.
"Hey the person I called scum for almost no reason whatsoever was scum so I'm totally supertown extraordinaire"?
That textwall better be good. :/
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: [Y]oukai [J]esus on September 20, 2011, 01:02:15 PM
And Youkai Jesus, the latest post is not looking very good.
"Hey the person I called scum for almost no reason whatsoever was scum so I'm totally supertown extraordinaire"?
That textwall better be good. :/

Textwall will be good~ But I got lots of crap to settle before I can even begin writing it. And I keep forgetting what I write for Mafia too, so that makes it take an even longer time to type it all out.

And I never said I was supertown extraordinaire :<. I didn't even imply it. Yuassume? Also, didn't I like state-what-Lambda-told-me-to-state-and-why-Actiondan-was-scum thing. Thing?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 20, 2011, 02:32:42 PM
Gambits everywhere.

I'd propose everyone still ##FOS: Scum so the King doesn't bruteforce his decision. Even now we have no guarantee person X is Town.

Hero confirmed for making a counter-wagon to ActionDan Scum. Huh What and Shadoweh confirmed for initially going against the Scum Wagon, but they're dead, Jim, they're dead.

I'm going to re-read a few choice people and then propose who I want lynched and promoted.

STRANGLY, I'm inclined to vote myself because I know I'm Town but I don't know the same of anyone else. :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Chaore on September 20, 2011, 06:27:48 PM
Oh wow there is all kinds of wrong with your post, Dormio.

First off, no, you don't get to say 'He changed his opinion when other people made fucking POINTS man, that's scummy as fuck'. That entire bit is literally just dripping with 'said with assumption that chaore is scum'. You're not pointing out why I am scum, you are pointing out what your theoretical scum me is doing at that time. I'm also frowning at you using the fact Huhwhat just flipped town to make the fact I thought there was a good chance Huhwhat and ActionDan were scum together seem inherently scummy. I am literally not the only one who said this, Dormio. It was a VERY possible theory and I could see us having gone into this day lynching Huhwhat instead of believing in magical third kills that don't show up. The fact I believed someone who flipped town was scumbuddies with someone who flipped scum doesn't mean that I'm scum setting up mislynches, It means I was fucking wrong.

Oh you're also blatantly misrepping me on D1- I was asking why Shadoweh was ignoring ActionDan, because it seemed odd and very out of place for her. There was no reason for her to have made that exception and I wanted to know why she made that exception. I wasn't encouraging town to look at him, I was simply asking 'What the fuck is up with this, Shadoweh?'.

Your worst offender is probably touting about how I'm so awful for wanting us to lynch 'Our Rolecop'. I want to lynch the rolecop, not 'Our' rolecop. This again reeks of complete confirmation bias in faultily assuming I am scum and Hero is the town rolecop who you must defend for great justice. He is a rolecop who has claimed and literally has done nothing else the past Day. And...Hero just admitted I was completely and utterly right though? He wasn't trying to off the Serial Killer at first because he thought she'd be 'Useful'. Please tell me how that is anything but the scummiest fucking thing that has ever been typed in Mafia. Your first reaction as town is not 'Hey, we could totally make use of an extra kill at night from the person who wants every last one of us dead', but 'Oh holy shit she is going to kill us all WE MUST LYNCH HER'.

Literally, look at his Day2. Look at how his only statements are 'I don't trust actiondan and shadoweh and also huhwhat's claim looks suspicious btw'. Seriously, He addresses all three on the proposed team as suspicious, even though he knows that the team is probably patently false, does not properly elaborate why he is all suspicious, and then just busts out his 'Oh I have something on Shadoweh let's hop on her' card. He literally gives no actual opinions and doesn't properly explain his feelings, he just says 'YOU'RE SUSPICIOUS', and then throws his vote on the wagon he doesn't have to explain even if asked.

I think he's scum. ##FOS; Hero999.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 06:34:42 PM
Alright in school at the moment.

Chaore, I know for sure I am town. Therefore you relentlessly attacking me is something I shall believe to be scum intented. Therefore
##FoS: Chaore

So you can throw your cases and shit out the window, at the moment my motivation for srs business is so low I'm not even going to likely bother with it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 06:49:13 PM
Geh messed up

##FoS Chaore
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 20, 2011, 07:08:59 PM
Quote
Since ActionDan is gone, I can forcefully throw away dis newbie pass/guise.

YOUKAI JESUUUUUUUUUUUUS. You're going to have to explain how Dan's presence made it apparently OK for you to refuse assisting Town. Being a newbie is OK. Going "I was pretending to be a Newbie!" and doing nothing for two gamedays is NOT OK, and it means that any forgiveness for your terrible Day 1 and Day 2 has just been thrown out of the window!

I'm mostly looking at Hero, YJ and Zakeri. This is not related to looking at Zakeri but I feel it is noteworthy (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714514.html#msg714514).

What is related is his opening post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715789.html#msg715789), because he condemns Shadoweh for scum teams in one breath, then proceeds to propose Shadoweh And Friends in the other, going so far as to mire on about how Dormio buddying reminds blah blah.

Quote
Polaris seems kind of avoidy

avoidy - hide. Goddamnit Zak, are you psychic? Either way, light defence of ActionDan, and claims Chaore is scum's intended mislynch despite me being the only one on Chaore at that time. :V

The problem is that like Dan, Chaore gets in the game at a late juncture when all wagons have been picked, and blatantly admits to joining a popular wagon rather than attempting to push his own idea that I am scum. There were 27 hours at least, and I feel that that was enough time to actually attempt to drum up a wagon on the one you think is scummiest. Even if that's me.

That he later sorta kinda tries this here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715962.html#msg715962) is good, but he suddenly jumps off of Shadoweh and onto Polaris instead. His cases on Polaris and Dormio, his preferred lynches after me, are at that point that "Dormio is hard to read, why are you voting Serela?" and "Polaris seems avoidy and I don't get what he's trying to blame on Dan".

I'd talk about his Day 2 post but there's almost nothing in it. Implied agreement that Dan is Scum, attempt to link Huh What to Dan and push a Huh What wagon up, proposal to lynch three people, and that's it. Nothing that screams Scum, but also nothing I'd find exceptionally worthy of Town.

He's not UP THERE with the Scums but he's certainly not someone I'm happy with.


Hero going OMGUS on Chaore is unimpressive.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 20, 2011, 08:04:41 PM
Things that both me:

The Huh What death. Frankly, I was ready to lynch him today, and I'm having trouble seeing the scum benefit in killing him. So I started rereading the players he wanted to vig (YJ, Dormio, Bard).

I still think Bard is town.

I still think Dormio is suspicious. He was the only town read Action Dan had that was a viable town wagon on day 1 (Serela, Polaris, Huh What, and Shadoweh, his scum reads, all flipped not scum). Dormio also had a neutral town read on Dan. Interestingly, he went with the Dan was scum interpretation of events yesterday and voted Shadoweh instead, settling for the role stuff yesterday being sufficient to kill Dan. Uses Dan a lot in his cases and discusses player's reaction to Dan, but doesn't talk about Dan himself much except with the occasional quick read.

He thought Dan was scum, agreed with Bardiche's case on Dan, saw the start of day stuff as black and white, and voted Shadoweh using a different case while ignoring the player for the most part.

I want YJ talking. I think the only case he has made this game is on Action Dan. I really don't know what to make of him right now.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 08:08:33 PM
Bard IS town, hes friggin vanilla for fucks sakes.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 20, 2011, 08:11:04 PM
Bard IS town, hes friggin vanilla for fucks sakes.

... You investigated me, and your result is "vanilla"?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 08:16:30 PM
You want the full name?
Moerin Moeyama (Magical Moerin), Non-magical Vanilla
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 20, 2011, 08:18:59 PM
The strange part is that I'm NOT vanilla. PX confirmed for lying son of a bitch.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 20, 2011, 08:20:45 PM
The strange part is that I'm NOT vanilla. PX confirmed for lying son of a bitch.

To clarify, I am informed Townie. I think it's a bit unfair to state to Rolecops that I'm "Vanilla", as clearly I have something. My information is that Akemi Homura possesses the ability "Time Stop". Which is why I kept talking about it so much and quite literally stated it.

IF an Akemi Homura is in the game I am thinking she is a roleblocker but obviously she's not going to claim.

Functional vanilla, as I said. I've been given nothing to work with in a game of role madness; PX clearly thought it clever to hand me the short end of the stick in a role madness game again.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Chaore on September 20, 2011, 08:26:19 PM
...Wait. So hold on, you're telling me Hero is lying about his result?

What the fuck is going on here.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 08:27:43 PM
...Wait. So hold on, you're telling me Hero is lying about his result?

What the fuck is going on here.
...
Why do you twist BASTARD MOD PX into LYING HERO
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Chaore on September 20, 2011, 08:28:36 PM
No, Sorry, I think I got what you meant.

So you're an informed townie who's called a vanilla?

...
Why do you twist BASTARD MOD PX into LYING HERO

I thought Bard meant his rolename WAS informed Townie, not that's what he was.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 20, 2011, 08:33:22 PM
Yes, I'm an Informed Townie who, apparently, shows as Vanilla to rolecops. The name is correct and the non-Magical part is also correct. There's no "vanilla" in my rolename as I received it, but I understand why that's omitted: my literal rolename was I received it is non-Magical Townie. And that I have a passive ability.

So PX is a goddamn lying mod. Fantastic.

I AM curious why Hero decided to investigate me. I had no indication Hero thought I was scummy before then.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 08:36:48 PM
Well...I got scared alright?
I fell for Dan's "needed to get in it before bardiche." Too much fear of bussing tactics >_<

I forgot that you claimed somewhere that you were pretty much a functional vanilla and got suspicious.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 20, 2011, 08:41:57 PM
I need to roll that around in my head a bit. Rolecopping me makes more sense for a scum!Hero from my point of view than a town!Hero, but both assumptions rely on WIFOM. I'll make reading you my top priority - this new information is too valuable.

Did anyone ever claim being roleblocked?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 08:43:09 PM
Serial Killer - Shadoweh did.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Chaore on September 20, 2011, 08:43:46 PM
And she probably was, given Dan flipped as the roleblocker.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 20, 2011, 09:00:47 PM
Right, that explains why no one blocked Hero.

The major question I have here is why scum suffered a rolecop to live over a vigilant who was already under a certain degree of suspicion. Or at least, I suspected Huh What and all and would've definitely pushed him today.

Mrf. Need read. Post later.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Rikter on September 20, 2011, 09:50:11 PM
Okay posting on desktop because I cannot go into my room while the window is being boarded up.

On that note, Rikter, why would you place ActionDan at L-1 so early into the day?

Because I honestly felt like they were the best lynch for town at that time and was asked to place a vote earlier by capt. h

I wasn't entirely sure of what to think about Hero's callout of shadoweh's role but I didn't think it looked good regardless.

Chaore wanting Hero dead after claiming Shadoweh as SK seems odd seeing as Hero was correct.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 20, 2011, 10:02:47 PM
FoS:Hero999 the last thing we need is to figure out how the Scum can prevent further nightkill blocks.
Also, please try not to use Role ability to substitute alignment.  You should not be using it to say things like "Chaore is scum for trying to lynch the rolecop." I wanted to yell at Chaore yesterday for trying to wait for proof of HW's role when having a daykill would not prove anything other than the victim's alignment. I'd still be angry if HW hadn't magically flipped town this morning.

YJ needs to give a town reason for why Dan dying means he has to play better from now on, because I can think of a good scum reason for that pattern.

since HW isn't scum, I guess I'll actually have to go back and reread Dormio. Did he actually give an explanation for why he went after NeoSerela of Shadoweh?

Cut: Shadoweh's confirmed post did look to me like she was reacting to bastard moddery which had to have come from her role pm. That was the simplest explanation I found that allowed me to jokevote for her. I'm surprised it turned out true. The Polaris thing was a fluke, though.
I would have had more of a Day 2 presence, except most of day 2 happened while I was asleep. I went to bed just after my post, and woke up to the night.

Cut again: whoa. I need to stop taking breaks, or something.
Is there any confirmable reason why Bardiche would show up as Vanilla townie? Or are we just going to leave it at "dammit, PX" this time?
Also, Dan was the roleblocker.

List of rereads I need to make when I wake up tomorrow: Hero, YJ, and Dormio.
Choare still feels town to me.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 20, 2011, 11:18:00 PM
Because I honestly felt like they were the best lynch for town at that time and was asked to place a vote earlier by capt. h

Don't misrepresent me. Although I did ask you to post your scum picks a second time on day 2, I did not ask you to vote yesterday. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717331.html#msg717331) I only asked you to vote the day before, when we needed to secure the lynch.

Normally as long as players aren't put at L-2 at this phase of the game everything is fine, but it's easier to simply remember not to vote before the 48 hour mark for the rest of the game. Especially in Lylo. Voting anyone before all the facts come out will become suicide if we hit Lylo, so do not vote in Lylo before 48 hours pass.

Anyway, I have the same question for you that I've had yesterday and the day before. Who do you think is scum?



On reread I notice that Zak didn't acknowledge Action Dan's "clear" and pushed for a Huh What lynch yesterday, while pretty much ignoring Dan. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717227.html#msg717227) I find you suspicious for it, so I'd like to know why you never said anything about the fake clear, nor did you give a read on Dan. I would also like to point out that Bardiche showed up as a Non-magical Vanilla, not a Vanilla Townie.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 11:22:35 PM
??? Zakeri I'm not understanding at the moment. Your telling me to not use role to substitute as alignment. However I do not understand what you mean by "figure out how the scum can prevent further nightkill blocks". As from what I know scum at the moment had the only roleblock. So what are you trying to say here?

I do not understand your reason for supporting a lynch on me. Is trying to substitute role for alignment that much of a scum tell to you?
That is all I can gleam from what your trying to get me lynched for. I see no other reason that you have said that warranted a FoS. What is your point?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 20, 2011, 11:38:16 PM
He thought Dan was scum, agreed with Bardiche's case on Dan, saw the start of day stuff as black and white, and voted Shadoweh using a different case while ignoring the player for the most part.
I think you're forgetting about the part where we had more than one lynch that day.
ActionDan was going to get lynched, so I wanted to push Shadoweh as the alternate lynch.

Anyway, @Chaore #476:
I like how you just blow off the main point of what I was trying to say, the fact that you were trying to defend ActionDan. I find it scummy how you were the one that pressed for ActionDan's claim and then were the one that tried to hold onto for the longest time. Is that enough for you? You try to wave away the fact that you did this by simply stating that you "were wrong"
The second point I will concede. Roll to Dodge destroys any semblance of literacy I have.
So basically, your reason for Hero is scum is because he did something that he admitted was wrong, and your reason for why you are not scum for defending ActionDan was because you were wrong? ???

And since you asked:
He wasn't trying to off the Serial Killer at first because he thought she'd be 'Useful'. Please tell me how that is anything but the scummiest fucking thing that has ever been typed in Mafia.
Because I did the exact same thing in Zombie Apocalypse. ^^;
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 11:39:18 PM
At the Moment, only 3 claimed people are alive
Me - Rolecop
Dormio - Bulletproof Zombie
and Bard - Information dude. With something about a Akemi Homura.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 20, 2011, 11:50:41 PM
Oh oh I just remembered something Chaore.

You are accusing me of being scum, because I was withholding the information that Shadoweh was serial killer.
Then tell me, WHEN would have been a good time to expose her. Right at the start of the day? At the end of the day? D3?
You made this case as a trap there was NO good time in which I would be able to talk about getting shadoweh lynched due to the fact that no matter when I talk about her being SK, exposing shadoweh WILL lead to calling me as scum due to "He was taking advantage of the rule and using it to get a wildcard killed"

Sly are you not?

Also, if I was scum, why would I have piled on ActionDan rather then making everyone focus on SHADOWEH SK from the start? Your logic is seriously flawed.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Chaore on September 21, 2011, 12:24:51 AM
@Dormio: uh hold on a second

No. Really, you're calling me scum because I asked the guy who said he had the ability to confirm he was town to use that ability, stating exactly why if he was town that was probably helpful? You're labeling that -defending- even? ARE YOU RETARDED? I am for once in my life seriously asking that question. That's not a defense dormio, that's literally something more people should've been telling Dan to do. No, It's not retarded to ask someone to prove their claim, especially when the information could be fucking important! As it stands it was a fake, but HOLY FUCKING SHIT, why is that actually scummy.

Your bit about me holding onto it longer than everyone else is uh... Weird? It's not really the best proof in the word honestly. Yes, I didn't completely disregard information when it was popular to completely disregard information. Please do not act like it was blindingly obvious before it actually was and I was holding to such god damn lengths for the confirmation.

Nice to see you generalizing my case into 'HERO DID SOMETHING HE ADMITTED WAS WRONG, YOU DID THAT TOO!'. Wrong. I was factually wrong about what was happening. Hero was literally doing something that is literally something town plain does not do. You're literally acting like 'It's fine, he apologized right?'. These are two VERY different wrongs, Dormio.

@Hero: ...?

I'm sorry, really? Are you trying to make my case into some magical rubix cube of 'screw hero over at every turn'? It's...not? You're also heavily misunderstanding everything to come to this conclusion as well. Wow.

You didn't have to go 'SHADOWEH IS SERIAL KILLER, LYNCH!', but the moment you knew she was a serious threat to town you should've put serious attention into getting her lynched, and instead you just threw a vote at the confirmed scum and went hiding to avoid talking. You should've tried to gather SOME attention to her rather than just sitting on ActionDan.

I love how you're trying to go 'BUT I VOTED ACTION DAN THIS TOTALLY MEANS I CAN'T BE SCUM'. You really are getting desperate. Bussing is always a possibility, especially when your scumbuddy is -literally caught by a god damn public reveal cop-. That's the absolute perfect time to throw down a meaningless vote on your scum partner. If anything it also rather hurts as you were able to and did actually mostly ride it out wordless until you swapped to Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 21, 2011, 12:32:41 AM
No. Really, you're calling me scum because I asked the guy who said he had the ability to confirm he was town to use that ability, stating exactly why if he was town that was probably helpful? You're labeling that -defending- even? ARE YOU RETARDED? I am for once in my life seriously asking that question. That's not a defense dormio, that's literally something more people should've been telling Dan to do. No, It's not retarded to ask someone to prove their claim, especially when the information could be fucking important! As it stands it was a fake, but HOLY FUCKING SHIT, why is that actually scummy.
The asking itself, I don't really care about so much, it's when it's in combination with you using his claim to state that Dan is probably confirmed, yes, I believe it was defending Dan.

Ugh, whatever. I'm confused and I'll reread all this when I get back from uni or something.
Also, Youkai Jesus: Post where?
Rikter where?
Hate everything.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 21, 2011, 12:35:11 AM
Capt: I didn't say anything on Dan because it seemed like a sure thing he'd be lynched. I'd probably have been more vocal if I thought he was town, and I might have thought he was town if his self-confirmation post had green text in it. There was no green or bold in the entire post, so I disregarded the entire thing as flavor. Besides, I was actually waffling on Shadoweh at the time, and I was hoping to push him ahead as the tertiary lynch (or at least far enough that he flipped with Shadoweh).

Hero: The helping scum with their NK bit was in reference to when you listed where all of the night kills went. It seemed to be an invite for people to think hard about why the scum nightkill failed, which isn't something town benefits from.
Also, "scumtell" isn't the right word since it implies no context is needed. When your only line of defense is "But I can do neat things." and even worse, when your only line of attack is "Why do you want me to stop doing neat things?" it completely misses the point of the game, which is asking "Who's trying to destroy the town?" Your case on Chaore is not a case on scum, because it's not a case made with scumhunting. Someone who tries to push a case without scumhunting is anti-town at best.

What is with your obsession for roleclaims? Did you have a reason for posting 500?
Also, to answer your 501: Bussing and Wifom. The only way you're going to convince me you might not be scum is if you start making cases on people outside of using OMGUS.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 21, 2011, 12:36:57 AM
Edit: by "to push him ahead" I'm referring to Huh what.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 21, 2011, 12:41:24 AM
The asking itself, I don't really care about so much, it's when it's in combination with you using his claim to state that Dan is probably confirmed, yes, I believe it was defending Dan.

Dormio, do you really think scum at that point in time would be trying to pull Dan out of the confirmed scum zone? I know scum had that fake self confirming message thing, but I think it was pretty much reruns of the Magic School Bus, there. Chaore defending Dan probably makes him more town.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 21, 2011, 01:34:14 AM
Well this determines things for me.
The difference of copping scum and copping town is like heaven and hell.
Copping scum? Get praised.
Copping town? Get lynched.

This is exactly how it feels to me at the moment.
However, I need to ask this. Who are you to decide who to lynch at the moment? At this Point I rather Bard settle it with his straight up own opinion. I don't care about any of the rest of you.
Also, everytime someone has said "The only way you're going to convince me you might not be scum is if you start making cases on people outside"
This never happens. From what I've seen, No matter what I make you will likely go for me anyways.

The post of NK? I felt it was plausible information to check with. Is that seriously so wrong?
Also Zakeri, what happened to your pursuit of Bard? It was dropped so quickly I didn't even see when you just jumped to someone else.

Also Chaore, so your case on me is the fact that I did not throw suspicion upon Shadoweh when I knew she was SK? Is that all? This feels more like an attack on my personally then a case. If its not an attack on my Personality, then its clearly an attack on the difference of opinion. Also, I like how you say "its not something town will do" is set in stone. This makes it feel more like a difference in opinion then a case.

Also let me state something then. Scum like riding things out and not draw attention. You state this "If anything it also rather hurts as you were able to and did actually mostly ride it out wordless until you swapped to Shadoweh."

Explain to me for what reason did I need to swap to Shadoweh if I was scum. Would I have not just shut up and let you guys do all the work? You explain to me for what reason I had to vote Shadoweh if it would draw attention to myself.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 21, 2011, 02:02:04 AM
"If a king is not content with his own kingdom, he is a weak ruler. A weak ruler is a worse king to have than a tyrant!?

I AM THE KING! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhT18ZT6hxw)

The Twenty First Royal Votecount!
Bardiche (2) - Hero999, Chaore

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to promote.
Day 3 ends in ~48 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 21, 2011, 02:45:15 AM
Youkai Jesus has been modkilled and force replaced with Lady Lambdadelta starting now. Proceed as normal.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Lexicat on September 21, 2011, 02:46:40 AM
Vote: Capt.H
 
Scum on interactions and voting history Re: ActionDan
 
I'll explain more detailed later, but it's night night time now.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Lexicat on September 21, 2011, 02:50:28 AM
... Except it's Kingmaker day. I knew that.
 
Unvote; Vote: LLD
 
FoS: Capt.H
 
Give me the King, and I will hammer down Capt.Scum.
 
More on WHY he's Cpt.Scum in the morning.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 21, 2011, 02:52:38 AM
GODDAMNIT PX.

Now we'll never get the goddamn explanation for Youkai Jesus's actions unless LAMBDA, you were his mentor hydra, tell us the fuck what he was doing and why.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Lexicat on September 21, 2011, 02:55:25 AM
I can do that for you tonight.
 
What she was doing? Asking me what to do.
 
What he did when I wasn't around to help her? God only knows.
 
All I know is that those few coherent posts on Day 1 with the ActionDan post were all mine (like, literally word for word) and after that I basically let her post for day 2 and watched where she went with my original Day 1 advice on how to play.
 
That worked out poorly.
 
Anyway, that;'s it for tonight.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 21, 2011, 04:35:38 AM
Welp.

I have an slight town read on LLD. I believe her when she says she made the Action Dan case, and I don't think she would mentor Youkai Jesus into super bussing a scum buddy on day 1 if she were mentoring scum. Still annoyed about the accusations now, cases later attitude. I would like her to tell us if she has any objections to giving Bardiche kinghood.

I don't think Hero is scum. I'm not sure Hero even knew that there was a roleblocker. Looking back through his posts he did actually double check (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717125.html#msg717125) with Huh What about Dormio, and even doubted Huh What's role claim. His reactions to the situation fit the part of a player that didn't know Shadoweh was role blocked.

I've come to the conclusion that Dormio benefitted the most from Huh What's death. Huh What wanted to vig either Dormio, Bard, or YJ today. I think YJ is more likely than not to have been town, and I simply could not find Bard scummy in my reread. And Chaore wouldn't have gained anything from last night's kill and the elimination of Huh What's piercing shot, because Huh What wasn't suspicious of him. Chaore scum would probably be shooting itself in the foot with a Huh What kill, considering I admit I would have gone for his lynch today too. However, Dormio was not only suspected scum, but had already been shot by Huh What before.

Even with Dormio's explanation I don't like how little attention he gave Dan yesterday - unlike Zak, he had quite a few more posts in which to discuss it, and frankly I find the way he interacted with Dan suspicious - mutual town reads day 1, and then simply accepting Dan's fake note, followed by pretty much ignoring Dan day 2. I would like his read on Hero. I would also like his reads on everyone else - his focus has been very narrow this game, so it's unclear where he stands on any of the living players that are not Chaore.

##FoS: Dormio
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 21, 2011, 04:55:51 AM
and then simply accepting Dan's fake note, followed by pretty much ignoring Dan day 2.
Hi! What's up people!
On the topic of ActionDan, I don't see why we wouldn't want him lynched today. I mean, from what I understand, if Polaris targets scum then Polaris dies, right?
The bold in the night flavor suggests that Polaris had indeed targetted ActionDan, and he was a hider, so he targets scum and dies, right?
In addition, I find myself agreeing wholly with Bardiche's #341.
Similarly, I think that ActionDan is scum.
This is totally me ignoring ActionDan throughout D2.
And #397 is me simply accepting Dan's fake note. Totally.

As for a list of reads on the living players?

Dislike: Chaore
Dunno, lol: LLD, Rikter, Zakeri, capt.h
Probably town: Bardiche, Hero
Totally Town: Me

Chaore: Will reiterate if need be when not at uni.
LLD, Rikter: Need to see more content from both of them. Eagerly awaiting LLD content posts.
Zakeri, capt.h: I've only really skimmed you two, will reread when not at uni.
Hero999: Despite Chaore's statements to the contrary, it's not even as if Hero withheld information from town for so long. ActionDan self hammered 24 hours into D1, so all sense of "delaying information" and the like is amplified. Is mainly here not because of his own merits but because of how Chaore is attacking him.
Bardiche: I don't really have to say anything here, do I?
Me: It's like I'm in some harem situation, surrounded by beautiful women. :D
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 21, 2011, 05:27:52 AM
I meant that you accepted the mod confirm as worthless immediately. You didn't have to think it through at all, like Bardiche did.

You had a lot of tunnel vision this game. You were pretty sure Action Dan was scum, but focused almost all your attention on the Shadoweh case and placed Dan to the side. You actually did something similar with NeoSerela, where you begin your vote on her by making a case on Shadoweh, having it shift mid way to Serela, voting Serela, and then making another case on Shadoweh until people started voting you for cheerleading Shadoweh while voting Serela. It bothers me that there's only one player you have a scum/suspicious read on right now, so I'd like to know if there is anyone else you consider scummy or suspicious, and why. Course, that can wait until after Uni.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 21, 2011, 12:05:21 PM
LLD: YJ seemed to imply he wasn't an incompetent newbie. Care to explain that? Most inconvenient replacement for Town ever.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 21, 2011, 01:42:40 PM
No matter how many times I read Youkai Jesus or Rikter, I cannot get anything out of it.
Youkai Jesus says nothing at all and Rikter simply reports information. wat do?
I do, however, find a few things off about capt.h's D3.
In particular, #514 which seems to consist largely of a miserable pile of NK speculation.
Will post again when it's not midnight and I am sane once more.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 21, 2011, 04:22:11 PM
"Wishing for someone else's happiness means someone has to be cursed to suffer as much. That's what it means to be a Puella Magi."

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/OktaviaTheme-2.png) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ghGDWKgb3I)

The Twenty Second Magia Votecount!
Bardiche (2) - Hero999, Chaore
Lady Lambdadelta (1) - Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to promote.
Day 3 ends in ~33.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 21, 2011, 04:54:00 PM
So! Reading Durrmio! My head hurts now.

I agree on the sentiments that Dormio has a strange disconnect in his cases where he spends the better part of the post (better both in terms of size and quality) on Shadoweh, then latches onto Serela for mystery reasons. Mystery being why he's worse than Shadoweh at that point.

That he later completely disregards Serela's response is damning, naturally. I note, with amusement, that Dormio has the same pattern as ActionDan with regards to excuses. Being locked out, then it's RtD. He says he dislikes the people with low content. Up to that point his content has been the solely singular post dedicated to Shadoweh and ending with Serela. I DON'T NEED TO POINT OUT HOW SCUMMY IT IS TO PRETEND YOU'RE NOT LOW CONTENT YOURSELF AMIRITE.

His attack on Shadoweh is a chainsaw defence of ActionDan. Textbook example of Chainsaw. He attacks what's wrong with her case but never touches on other scumminess in Shadomeh. Dropping the case on Chaore is interesting; there were two Chaore posts inbetween his statement that Chaore was scummy and that he isn't, and the difference in situation is that no one voted Chaore later but someone voted him earlier. Sheeping?

His case against Serela is that Serela is defending Chaore (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715937.html#msg715937); indeed not the Towniest thing to do... except it's a nulltell until the defended flips. In which case it's STILL just a light tell. There's vague reference to "stuff". His only redeeming point is that "Serela has no opinions".

He ends with that he's making another post. And makes two quick one-liners inbetween. His eventual post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716154.html#msg716154) is again lulz so late and it's a defence of Dan with more cheerlead of Shadoweh and stubborn insistance on Serela despite his case on Shadoweh being much stronger.

The "will need a reread" on Polaris never comes and his opening post for D2 is rather lackluster: just a claim. His next post is better (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717325.html#msg717325) in which he finally puts that vote on Shadoweh (in the next post), but he suddenly swings from "ActionDan is town" to "ActionDan is scum", and then just buddies up to me by agreeing with everything I've said.

Now, don't get me wrong. I love it when people agree. Just not when they previously thought the behaviour was Town! He blankets Huh What as Town despite never talking about Huh What much (if at all) before, which is a curious thing. If someone tried to vig me, I'd call them goddamn scum.

His later justification (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717357.html#msg717357) for not trusting ActionDan's power is odd, given how that rule about bolded was added later.

He never bothers to really push for his case, and doesn't appear to even acknowledge Hero pulling out a rolecop result on Shadoweh or anything. You'd think he'd grasp that with two hands like UNFUNFUNF because it's helping him push his preferred lynch. Except not. And while he dropped Dan IMMEDIATELY NO QUESTIONS ASKED, he turns to the one who tried to argue we shouldn't ignore treestump. Honestly I found Chaore reasonable in refusing to blatantly disregard a power that could confirm as Town, even if I refused to believe ActionDan was Town because.

The reason I dislike Dormio for not pushing ActionDan is because for a while whether or not AD would be lynched was questionable. People were clearly mulling it over and trying to make sense of the role soup (and I need to look back there to see who were stirring the pot with confusion), trying to convince people AD was scum was certainly a sensible Town thing to do.

TL;DR QQ DORMIO CAN GO DIE.
Is he my top scum pick? Not sure. Reading others!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 21, 2011, 04:56:30 PM
Also ##Vote: Bardiche, totally the Towniest.

Lambda is crazy if she thinks I'd vote someone whose presence in the game thus far has been a predecessor lying to Town and pretending to be a newbie, then claiming he isn't and replacing out without explanation. The explanation LLD gives also doesn't satisfy me because YJ certainly didn't hint at anything like that, and as usual late-game replacements much up scum reads something fierce, which is why I hate replacements so late in the game.

Based on YJ's activities I can't see myself being opposed to lynching Lambda.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 21, 2011, 04:56:57 PM
Muck up*. How does I write English.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 21, 2011, 06:15:40 PM
@Bard: YJ was mod killed, and also,
"And I never said I was supertown extraordinaire :<. I didn't even imply it. Yuassume? Also, didn't I like state-what-Lambda-told-me-to-state-and-why-Actiondan-was-scum thing."

This is what YJ said before she got Modkilled and Replaced. So its likely Lamdda is telling the truth.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 21, 2011, 06:26:35 PM
Cool story bro.

Alright, looking at Hero, then YJ and I'll have finished my reads for the day hopefully.

Hero's first post is actually no that interesting. His second post is more interesting (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714886.html#msg714886), as it has an accusation leveled at Serela due to "how easily Serela picks scum"... just because you find something difficult doesn't mean others need to. In fact I can confidently state my top scum picks are Everyone, and that doesn't really make me scum. Does it?

Most of the post is fencesitting. There's no clear opinion coming forth and everyone mentioned is paranoia. That he chides YJ (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715280.html#msg715280) for not having a reason is quite silly, given his reason for voting Shadoweh is that she was confident JOB was Town. Unless you count her throwing joketeams (his words not mine) as a reason to vote her but Hero's unclear.

"That's about all I feel like doing" doesn't really instill me an idea that you're doing everything you can! I do like his questioning of Shadoweh on the JOB VS Capt H point.

aaaaaaaaah hero you are so confusing to read, finishing later I am going to eat. Posting because I am a bro.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 21, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
Augh also Hero999 claim your N1 target. N0 = Shadoweh, N2 = Bardiche. So yeah. Not willing to buy into Town!Hero just for revealing the SK, no sir.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 21, 2011, 06:48:06 PM
huh..?
N0...?
N1 was Shadoweh
N2 was Bard
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 21, 2011, 06:50:23 PM
For some reason I keep thinking Night 0 counts as an actual Night. Goddamnit PX.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 21, 2011, 09:53:36 PM
His later justification (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717357.html#msg717357) for not trusting ActionDan's power is odd, given how that rule about bolded was added later.
Actually, that rule has been there from the the beginning of the game.

Regarding my Day 1, you people are all going on about how I made a case on Shadoweh whilst continuing to vote for Serela, but I don't get what you're expecting me to do.
I mean, Serela wasn't posting. How do I update opinions on somebody that hasn't responded or reacted to anything?

On Day 2, I made the assumption that Dan was going to be lynched, and decided to push my case on Shadoweh as the secondary lynch. I don't really see what's wrong with this.

Anyway, I'm going to be attempting to reread again.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 21, 2011, 10:16:45 PM
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On Day 2, I made the assumption that Dan was going to be lynched, and decided to push my case on Shadoweh as the secondary lynch. I don't really see what's wrong with this.

The part where you never mention ActionDan as your primary lynch.

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Actually, that rule has been there from the the beginning of the game.

It wasn't there from the start; something bolded like that would surely have caught my notice.

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Regarding my Day 1, you people are all going on about how I made a case on Shadoweh whilst continuing to vote for Serela, but I don't get what you're expecting me to do.
I mean, Serela wasn't posting. How do I update opinions on somebody that hasn't responded or reacted to anything?

You what? Ahaha, what? Scroll up from here, then down (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716154.html#msg716154). Are you for real. ARE YOU FOR REAL.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 21, 2011, 10:33:41 PM
On the first point, I was pretty sure he was going to be lynched, I would have said more had there been anything more to say.

On the second point, it was there from the start, it just wasn't bolded at first.

On the third point thing, I got cut by it and then my brain exploded. Whatevs.

Anyway, let me reread!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 21, 2011, 10:38:32 PM
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Bro, Serela posted multiple times that day, each time with you not deigning to acknowledge the post much. He's not as much of a lurker as you now try to make him out to be. He even voted you at some point.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 21, 2011, 10:39:27 PM
And I believe I addressed him up until that point where my brain exploded.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 21, 2011, 10:44:40 PM
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I mean, Serela wasn't posting. How do I update opinions on somebody that hasn't responded or reacted to anything?

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Not the point bro. I don't see any reason to believe you aren't part of a secret society. Being part of a secret society is treasonous and grounds for summary execution.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 22, 2011, 01:16:01 AM
Bardiche -  We have about 24 hours left by my count, and it looks like you'll be king. I think we should start asking for full claims from the players you want to lynch. That'll give us 24 hours to digest their claims and come to a conclusion.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 22, 2011, 01:30:01 AM
I want everyone to state, with two paragraphs of reasoning at least, who should die and why. Pick two if you have to. I'm not deciding this solo.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 22, 2011, 02:48:11 AM
"Wishing for someone else's happiness means someone has to be cursed to suffer as much. That's what it means to be a Puella Magi."

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/OktaviaTheme-1.png) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ghGDWKgb3I)

The Twenty Third Loop Votecount!
Bardiche (3) - Hero999, Chaore, Bardiche
Lady Lambdadelta (1) - Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting: Everyone else!
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to promote.
Day 3 ends in 23 hours.

Friendly reminder that you have 23 hours to both elect a King AND lynch someone.

Rikter, Zakeri, Lady Lambadelta, and Chaore have been prodded. :|
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 22, 2011, 02:58:51 AM
Bardiche - There is a slight distinction between players that "need to die" and the players one think's most likely to be scum. I'd like you to state who you think is most likely to be scum in terms of whether they're scum or not.

In that regard, I think Dormio is very likely to be scum. You and I have both stated reasons we find him scummy. In addition to those,  I've concluded that I don't like his reads post at all (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg718960.html#msg718960), because he's basically admitted that he only had reads on three of the living players (discluding himself) - Hero, yourself, and Chaore. And even with Hero, his read doesn't seem to stem from reasons he think's Hero is town, but from the fact that he finds Chaore's attack on Hero invalid. When pressed for a second scum pick, he says he finds me off for my day 3 and doesn't like me for my 514; doesn't pursue a second scum beyond that. It looks like (to me) he hadn't looked into anyone today except Chaore. To be fair to him, he did blame not having reads on RIKTER and YJ on their lurking, but I would like him to give me his Zak read, who has definitely posted enough content for him to have an opinion.

Rikter is extremely hard to judge. Rikter's play was mostly reporting and very little scum hunting; truthfully I think we would have placed him just as far in the "needs to die" catagory as YJ was if it weren't for YJ being more obvious. I'm slightly worried about him because he's so difficult to read and has a great job of not being noticed, so I find him a bigger possible threat to town than YJ ever was because he's the one town is more likely to forget about in its analysis.

On reread, I find him extremely suspicious. On day 1 he thought NeoSerela was obviously suspicious so he voted Polaris for not finding NeoSerela suspicious. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715891.html#msg715891) After that he doesn't have cases so much as reporting back parts of the game and telling us why he didn't think we should lynch more than 2 people yesterday. In addition, his last post was a misrepresentation of me. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg718755.html#msg718755) However, I can't say I have enough information to make a proper judgement. I still want what I ask from him every day and what you asked for in your last post; a couple paragraphs detailing his scum picks and the reasons for each.

In that regard I still have problems with Chaore. His day 2 was mostly about the setup rather than scum hunting, and he pushed a false dichotemy that would have cleared Action Dan by clearing Huh What when he suggested lynching neither of them. He also suggested killing the rolecop (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717464.html#msg717464) with no case, and immediately jumped to call Hero a liar (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg718662.html#msg718662) before fully understanding what was going on. My second pick for the lynch at the moment.

Hero's play isn't what I'd call optimal I admit, but it would take a lot to convince me he's scum. Looking through his yesterday his reactions match up with a player that role-copped Shadoweh and didn't know she was role-blocked - as evidenced by how he questioned Huh What on the night kill and suspected his claim, for example. His play looks to me like it assumed Shadoweh tried to kill Dormio, and ran on that assumption. Probably town, and I mention him because I'm opposed to lynching him.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Chaore on September 22, 2011, 03:53:23 AM
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<Chaore> Keine yell at my computer and make it start working right.
<Keine-tan> Chaore's computer, start working right.
<Chaore> that's not yelling
<Chaore> wait what the fuck it's working again

Still want Hero lynched. Not going to change anytime soon.

His Day 3 has basically been trying to prove me as CLEVER AND WITTINGLY TRYING TO GET US TO LYNCH THE TOTALLY TOWN ROLECOP. Not about how I'm scum or anything, just trying to make it look like I'm totally scum trying to get him lynched. I'm going to note again that, no, I'm not willing to overlook the fact he literally wasn't anywhere near as reactive to how he should've been to the fact he knew about a serial killer. It may be hard to tell because he says -absolutely nothing- during the course of day 2 beyond 'I think you're suspicious and your claim is suspicious and I want shadoweh dead!' after what he tries to push off as totally townily voting ActionDan after results came in and he seemed screwed. Even though the day was uh, 24 hours, It literally does not seem like he ever intended to make a good actual post reasoning why anyone was suspicious and why we should've lynched Shadoweh besides his rolecop claim.

This is actually fucking proven given how he just goes 'Haha! I have role-related reason as to why I want shadoweh dead!' the moment anyone asks for more on why he wants her dead. This is both proving he's not actually trying to scumhunt and is just falling back on a role to provide his cases for him, and an extreme willingness to divulge information that will make him look 'townie' with no effort- Which given he's tried to tout how I'm -totally- trying to off the town rolecop and am scum, is not a false statement even if the townie cred he thinks is there is not. It's also coasting and riding out a lynch without being totally inconspicuous- Like I said, he'd probably have just stuck to his claim and not done an actual lick of scumhunting (As he has coincidentally done today.)

@capt.h: Please stop bringing up 'argh can we just lynch everyone' as if that was a serious suggestion rather than exasperation at what the fuck was going on, and please don't go 'He misunderstood what Bard said as saying Hero was lying, clearly he is scum instead of not very good at reading'. That's trying to make small things into scumtells, which they aren't in the least.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Lexicat on September 22, 2011, 04:35:08 AM
This is me posting in Mafia.
 
I can't explain ANYTHING of YJ's play outside of "it's illogical and should be completely ignored."
 
That being said, I would like to direct your attention to Capt.H's stance on Action Dan D1, when the only people who really were interested in the case YJ posted were Bard and YJ. Capt.H's stance was non-committal enough to bus, but not enough to give traction. A perfect scum stance.
 
I have ~MILD PARANOIA~ about Bard being King.
 
But, I agree that Bard is likely town.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 22, 2011, 10:23:04 AM
16 hours left.

##Vote Bardiche

Bard, decide who you want to lynch and ask for claims. Preferably in the next four hours or so, because we want some time to think them through.

Dormio, considering timezones, and that Bard made that case on you, I think you should full claim. Try to give us least 8 hours to think over you claim.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 22, 2011, 11:01:45 AM
Rolling to dodge kills brain cells.
Anyway.

@capth: You do realize I've already claimed, right?
I'm Ayumu Aikawa, Townie Zombie. I don't die when I am killed. In other words, I'm bulletproof.

Opinions on everyone from LLD and Rikter would be so nice, wouldn't they?

As for who I would like to see lynched today, Chaore.

#49: He called out ActionDan for misrepping him, but stated that it might have been unintentional. ???
I dislike his switch from "I guess ActionDan is town because of the confirm" to "ActionDan is scum and PX is a lying bastard" throughout D2.
However, after he said that Dan was scum, in #369 he still wants other people lynched over Dan.
#446, Chaore wants Hero lynched too here for pretty much no reason other than "do not understand what's going on, PX is bastard".
Chaore's entire D3 case on Hero seems to revolve around how Hero delayed giving town information for so long. That so long being less than a third of what D2 should have been had Dan not been hammered early.
In addition, I've noticed that Chaore tries to downplay most attacks on him by simply saying that it was bad but not scummy, or something to that effect.

@Mod: Are we still allowed to talk after Bard is turned into the king, or do we stop and wait for Bard's decision?
I'll vote for bard if we're still allowed to talk.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 22, 2011, 11:05:06 AM
Why do you continuously talk about "stop talking about killing everyone"?
Its as if your saying this just to make capt.h look bad. Most of what you were attacking me for is a difference in opinion. The only thing that I can accept from your case is the fact that I'm utterly relying on my role, at the moment.

Everything else your attacking me for is seriously not even a reason I can accept to get me lynched for. Therefore, your whole attack on my being is scum intended. Also, I will state again since you apparently did not even see it the 1st time.

Also, I like how you say "its not something town will do" is set in stone. This makes it feel more like a difference in opinion then a case.

Also let me state something then. Scum like riding things out and not draw attention. You state this "If anything it also rather hurts as you were able to and did actually mostly ride it out wordless until you swapped to Shadoweh."

Explain to me for what reason did I need to swap to Shadoweh if I was scum. Would I have not just shut up and let you guys do all the work? You explain to me for what reason I had to vote Shadoweh if it would draw attention to myself.

There will always be exceptions. The fact that you are 100% sure that doing something like that is plain -town does not do- is not something I can believe.

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 22, 2011, 11:12:08 AM
Dormio - Do you know if there was a reason your death was revealed on Day 2?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 22, 2011, 11:15:15 AM
Because I'm a zombie?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 22, 2011, 01:17:24 PM
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@Mod: Are we still allowed to talk after Bard is turned into the king, or do we stop and wait for Bard's decision?

Yes
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 22, 2011, 01:18:49 PM
##Vote Bardiche
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 22, 2011, 01:53:55 PM
"With kindness comes na?vet?. Courage becomes foolhardiness. And dedication has no reward. If you can't accept any of that, you are not fit to be a Puella Magi."

The Twenty Fifth Home Run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps1fCnpm1qw) Votecount!
Bardiche (5) - Hero999, Chaore, Bardiche, capt. h, Dormio
Lady Lambdadelta (1) - Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting: Zakeri, Rikter

Bardiche has been voted the King. You have until the rest of the day to lynch someone.

Day 3 ends in 12 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 22, 2011, 02:43:34 PM
... Before I can even say what my plans are...

Well it's super tempting to just nuke one of the lurkers, but I want to hit scum. (even if one of the lurkers may be scum actually)

I've got, so far,
Hero (2): Chaore, Zakeri
Chaore (1): Hero
capt h (1): Lady Lambdadelta
Dormio (1): capt h

And I've not pointed my finger at anyone yet, but am strongly looking in Dormio and Hero's directions. I'm going to read capt h and finish that Hero read, and I am privileged with enough time as far as I understand so that oughtn't be troublesome. Anyone is still a target. Suggesting otherwise is treason, which is grounds for summary execution.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 22, 2011, 07:13:12 PM
Continuing the Hero999 read, there's this instance that jumps out at me (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717125.html#msg717125), which knowing that PX is a Bastard Mod promotes us to blindly jump onto ActionDan. Convinced Townie that role shens couldn't possibly interfere with Polaris and that Polaris was a 100% Sacrificial Cop, or Scum quickbussing? I'm not sold yet.

This part here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717398.html#msg717398) is interesting as Shadoweh claims to have been roleblocked. On a Night a rolecop checks her. It's a shame I don't have an active role and probably won't be informed of someone roleblocking my LOL NO POWERS or we had decisive evidence Hero might be a RoleblockCop. Remember when I said earlier that scum rolecopping me made more sense than Town rolecopping me?

Because I went through a lot of :effort: to try and convince people Dan had to die, REGARDLESS of whatever his role might've claimed his alignment was! I read ActionDan's stuff as preventing me from getting a word in; SPECULATIONS maybe scum don't have daytalk and he was picking his preferred target before going.

Either way, short of hyper bus Bardiche (I admit this is not out of the realm of possibilities), there is no logical reason for Town Hero999 to be Rolecopping me. WIFOM is all you get out of considering the reasons AD mentioned me. What DOES make sense is if scum cannot suffer the vig to live, and similarly they wanted to know whether I had any special abilities.

To me this makes a lot of sense. Please consider.
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@Huh What: I'm suspicious of your claim.
Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717257.html#msg717257), and that's the most you get out of his suspicions post Day1 because the rest has just been a Gotcha game with Shadoweh over her role. This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716083.html#msg716083) should be taken into context with a scroll up where his vote's still on Shadoweh. Doesn't seem like honest attempts to avoid a No Lynch if you don't argue your preferred target's import over the rest.


TL;DR I'm nuking Hero999 unless OBJECTIONS! arise.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 22, 2011, 07:13:33 PM
ALSO BE CAREFUL ABOUT POSTING OPINIONS GUYS WE MIGHT CATCH SCUM.

Jesus christ, you're all scum again. ;_;
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Chaore on September 22, 2011, 07:20:01 PM
Most of what you were attacking me for is a difference in opinion.

are you fucking kidding me. No! You don't get to brush off things you did that are scummy by shouting 'I THINK TOWN TRIES TO USE SERIAL KILLERS AND AVOIDS SCUMHUNTING'. Your defense is basically 'okay i did scummy things but i'm totally town because town doesn't always look like town!' YES, Townies can fuck up and make mistakes and do stupid things. Townies are not perfect model townies that are perfectly set apart from scum, this is NEVER a reason to brush a case aside. You can not present the possibility you are town as a defense. You can present why you are actually town as a defense.

Also 'I can't accept I am being lynched for this' is never a reason to consider a case -scum intended-. Just because you disagree with a case NEVER makes the person on the other side of the case scum. This is one of the very basic tips of mafia. Give me reasons why making this case is actually scum intended that are -valid- or point out how I am actually scum.

@Bard: No objections on this side. I'd like to try and reread to get a second opinion on people, but I heavily doubt anything is going to make me stop wanting Hero dead here.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 22, 2011, 08:28:02 PM
TIME ETC pls.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 22, 2011, 08:30:49 PM
5 and a half hours
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 22, 2011, 09:07:51 PM
Just hammer it bard, there is nothing left for me to say.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 22, 2011, 09:27:20 PM
@Chaore: I admitted my action of completely relying on role as scummy. Actually with how you've been hitting me I don't even know your points anymore.

Anyways, I claimed before and I'll claim again.

My role name is Townie role cop.
Mew Mew Ichigo Momomiya (Tokyo Mew Mew)
I learn point of origin, identity and role name. Colors are a no.


Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 22, 2011, 09:29:36 PM
Actually what the bard, Wasn't ActionDan confirmed scum roleblocker?
Your making stuff up now?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 22, 2011, 09:50:51 PM
oh derp you're right.

Jeez I keep forgetting.

Jeez you guys I hate this game. You're all scum.

(that doesn't change much about the rest though Hero)
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 22, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
I already stated what my reasons were. I got paranoid due to actiondan's mention of bard in his self hammer post.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 22, 2011, 10:23:59 PM
I support Crastination
the means I'm pro-*shot*

I feel like I'm letting town down, but I never got around to updating my opinions today. I'll actually make sure to sit down tomorrow during the nightphase and get reads out if I can't find the time to do so in the next three hours or however much we have left. I still want to look over Dormio, and I guess Capt H, though he doesn't ping my radar as much (I keep forgetting he's in this game, still, not sure if that means anything). LLD would also be really cool if she had something else to post besides all she did today, too. She's theoretically been reading this game since day two (right?), so it's weird she didn't have anything except on a single person.

no objections with Hero dying.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 22, 2011, 10:40:35 PM
What objections would you have?
Its near the end of the day, when do people ever get to find a different target that quickly?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 22, 2011, 10:54:05 PM
Geez I hate you guys for shoving the responsibility of picking the kill today.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 22, 2011, 10:54:18 PM
3 Hours remaining.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 22, 2011, 10:55:06 PM
Aaaaah! 3 hours!

Geez, I thought Lambda was gonna come back to decisively show how capt h was scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 22, 2011, 10:58:45 PM
Day one.
It's still in Bard's hand to go whichever direction he wants. you could actually come up with a convincing case on scum if you wanted to.
not that I'm certain you'd want to.

Cut: In responce to Hero's post.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 22, 2011, 11:06:52 PM
I believe I still have a question for you Zakeri.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 22, 2011, 11:07:41 PM
"Also Zakeri, what happened to your pursuit of Bard? It was dropped so quickly I didn't even see when you just jumped to someone else."
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 22, 2011, 11:21:47 PM
Hero, if you're Town, try to at least dissuade me from dropping it on you; going all "well im dead" isn't going to make people think twice about their decision.

The only thing that's making me still reconsider it is that I DO NOT have a majority backing a Hero lynch, and DO NOT have people bothering to do much. Lurkers everywhere. When I die tonight I hope tomorrow won't see town just waiting it out.

I dislike Lambda for hit-and-run tactics and a hardly convincing case on why Capt H is scum.

Zakeri what makes you uncertain Hero'd want to make a case on scum?

Hero I don't think Zakeri is the scum even if he is the lurks. Please give me some reason to justify to myself that it is indeed unlikely you are scum!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 22, 2011, 11:23:32 PM
Hero, I'd like you to go over your day 2 posts, and explain what you were thinking when you made them, starting with your vote on Action Dan and ending with the lynch.

You can skip the ones after your vote for Shadoweh but before you announce Shadoweh's allignment.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 22, 2011, 11:28:05 PM
Sheer laziness, Time restriction, and utter role reliance.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 22, 2011, 11:34:47 PM
The reason I'm asking is that I see a lot of scum intent in a lot of players. I see varying levels of scumminess in everyone in fact, and every player I have reason not to suspect is a big boon to me. But unfortunately, while I think the way you reacted to yesterday's events doesn't match what an informed scum would do in the same situation (due to scum having the extra information), I'm realize that having reason to not suspect someone isn't good enough to clear them. I want to see what you were thinking each step of the way, because that will give me a clear picture.

-cut-

Actually, that's a really scummy way of putting it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 22, 2011, 11:36:29 PM
Alright I'll be more serious,
Vote on action dan, Flip confirmed.
346 : asking huh what to make sure shadoweh wasn't the one who tried to kill dormio, she had the most motive due to the fact that dormio suspected her.
as well as wanting Bard not to hurt his head overthinking, he did declare he wanted new views.
363: Actiondan really should have had no reservations on hiding his abilities if he became treestump.
I decided I wanted dead afterall and didn't feel like risking it.
Was still suspicious of Huh what's claim due to my belief that shadoweh attempted it.

screwing around

406: decided that I did not have the capabilities to hide my abilities and decided to just out it to kill shadoweh.

414: ...yeah seriously.. what roleblock..?

421: exactly what it says.

440: listing ActionDan's priorities from a skim.

445: confirming from Huh What if his 3 votes was messing around or not.



Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 22, 2011, 11:38:45 PM
@Hero: I had to check my own post history to double check where I said I had a scum read on Bard, and turns out it was so long ago that I forgot. For the record: Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716416.html#msg716416) is where I started to have doubts about my read on Bard and Neoserela (late day one). I would say "I thought it was obvious I didn't think he was scum during day two." But I realize that I didn't actually get the chance to make a second post on day two, much less a well written one.

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Zakeri what makes you uncertain Hero'd want to make a case on scum?
Well, he's proven in past games that he able to make scumhunting cases, even as scum himself (Bremmsparkfist's case on barbarian last game), so the fact that he hasn't tried anything outside of lashing out at the people who are suspecting him doesn't indicate a lack of ability to me. The fact that LLD hasn't shown up also has shades of this, but slightly less scummy in her case since she's not active lurking.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 22, 2011, 11:53:51 PM
Zakeri, do you think Hero's scum? I don't want to know if you have objections to his Lynch. I want to ask if you think he's scum. Is he the best choice for today?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 22, 2011, 11:59:53 PM
In #346, which came after Dan's claim, you took the Polaris death at face value and Didn't believe Dan.

Then in #363 you voted Shadoweh in spite of still not believing Dan.

Can you explain why you changed your mind? That particular point is probably the blurriest to me.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 23, 2011, 12:00:24 AM
*EBWOP by you, I mean Hero.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 23, 2011, 12:01:40 AM
I took confirmed route over extremely likely route.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 23, 2011, 12:06:52 AM
Oh wait you asked what changed my mind...Well...dunno. Just decided all of a sudden that I wanted shadoweh dead more.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 23, 2011, 12:07:17 AM
capt h, do you think Hero is the scum?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 23, 2011, 12:15:05 AM
Since I'm bored and using meta, I might as well link to the example (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg709978.html#msg709978) I just used.

Cut: Oh, I see what you want. Late day one barely said anything about the lynch as it was happening (Only one post referring to the three way at the end of the day, and it only said Dormio was less worse than Serela), and day 2 mostly focuses on the ITP after the reactionary vote on Dan. Plus, I've already said how scummy his day three so far has been. Yes, at this point, I would definitely want his flip, and I'm certain it would flip scum.

Since I've looked more closely at it, now, I think I'm going to prioritize looking at Dormio after the flip for the day one thing.

Cut: Hero, that answer really is pretty useless.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Hero999 on September 23, 2011, 12:20:25 AM
Zakeri, if your going to use meta, then please comment on the other parts of my play that game. Also, If you checked the scum QT in that game, I needed specific information before I even got to that point.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 23, 2011, 12:23:09 AM
1 and a half hours remaining
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: capt. h on September 23, 2011, 12:33:52 AM
Town reads are hard to come by.

I no longer have a town read on Hero, but I still think Dormio is the most likely player to be scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 23, 2011, 12:45:05 AM
I'm asking, Zakeri, capt h... because if Hero999 is a mislynch, scum have everything to gain right now from being quiet. As far as I'm concerned, the two of you are Town: if you'd just kept quiet I would've probably just hammered Hero999 and mislynch getto, the ones being quiet now and refusing to affect it are scummy.

Dormio chief among them for just voting with nothing else.

Still mulling over.

Secret: Bard is actually super indecisive. The bullheaded approach is just my way of appearing as confident.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 23, 2011, 12:48:03 AM
I told you I want Chaore lynched today.
Anyway, busy because oh my god physics.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 23, 2011, 01:12:02 AM
Time's running short. Somebody set up us the bomb.

OK there's... jeez, guys. I AM INDECISIVE NOW THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING LURK.

PX, what's the command to lynch the fuck outta someone?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 23, 2011, 01:13:33 AM
##Lynch:
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Chaore on September 23, 2011, 01:15:09 AM
@Bard: I've simply had pretty much nothing new to say, and I really see no damn reason to second guess myself on wanting Hero lynched here. He's not really busting out GROUND BREAKING NEW INFO that makes me suddenly think he's town here. Seems more like lazy acting like he's some despair-gotten townie who is about to be cruely lynched.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: Bardiche on September 23, 2011, 01:20:11 AM
Yeahlook, there's no way Capt H is getting lynched by me at least and Lambda's suggestion he's scum is something I don't even consider. (I may re-read during the night if for some godforsaken reason I am not dead)

As far as I'm concerned, he's the towniest. After me, of course, after me.

And it's really simple for me now. It's coming down to this: Town, you're not getting a majority together.

We have two people who want Hero dead. Two people who want Chaore dead, one of which is Hero going OMGUS on Chaore. I myself am divided between Durrmio and Hero and honestly they're both being dead meat, with Hero being slightly less so due to rolecops lol, but even then he's not done much.

Forget it. Besides capt h, you're all scum. (and capt h is probably scum on a reread anyway) Jesus tapdancing.

##Lynch: Hero999
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 23, 2011, 01:21:38 AM
Lynch has been reached.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 3!
Post by: PX on September 23, 2011, 01:22:20 AM
And so Bardiche ordered the execution of Hero999, of course using lynching as the method of death. As everyone surrounded Hero to capture him, he suddenly disappeared. That is until everyone looked down and saw a cat.

"A cat's fine too."

Hero999, playing Mew Mew Ichigo Momomiya (Tokyo Mew Mew), Townie Role Cop, has been lynched!

Night 3 starts now. Send in any night actions to me and Pesco. Night 2 ends in 24 hours.

A rule has been removed.

RIKTER has requested replacement. If nobody is replaced by D4, then he will be modkilled.

Affinity has replaced Rikter.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Night 3!
Post by: PX on September 23, 2011, 08:36:20 PM
And so the day ended once again, and everyone retreated back to their houses. Day broke, and everyone went to see Bardiche on his throne.

"Well, it seems someone has given me a present, and I figured I should open it up in front of everyone."

He unwrapped the box that was in his hand, and opened the box. At that moment, Bardiche suddenly exploded.

"..."

Bardiche, playing Magical Moerin Moeyama (Magical Moerin), Townie Non-magical Vanilla Townie, was killed during the night!


It is now Day 4!
Day 4 ends in 75.5 hours.
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.
Town is in Pseudo-Mylo!

A new rule has been added!

4 Townies and 2 Mafia remain alive!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Hero999 on September 23, 2011, 08:56:14 PM
Meow!

You all left me to a Evil Person!

See you in the afterlife!

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 23, 2011, 10:33:37 PM
Nobody vote before 48 hours have passed.

I think we should continue ##FoSing eachother, and only vote for one player today, at the end of the day. We'll need everyone here for the last 3 hours, so tell us now if you won't be around at the end of day.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 23, 2011, 10:52:03 PM
Mass claim time. We're popcorning. I'm claiming VT.
 
Capt.H claims next.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 23, 2011, 10:58:57 PM
I agree with LLD's plan.

I claim Cardcaptor Sakura Kinomoto, Vanilla Townie.

Affinity, I'd like you to go next.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 23, 2011, 11:20:42 PM
so tell us now if you won't be around at the end of day.
The day started at 6:30AM in my time. I'm not going to be around from 3~6AM.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: PX on September 23, 2011, 11:28:17 PM
Deadline changed to end at 19:00 PDT for convenience. Carry on.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 24, 2011, 12:11:35 AM
I claim Tickle, VT.

Would like Chaore to go next.  Opinions will come after the popcorning. 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 24, 2011, 12:14:15 AM
Yoshika Miyafuji (from strike witches), Townie Healer.

Basically I'm the doctor.

I'll get to opinions and who I targeted each night after Zakeri finishes the popcorn claim, given he's the last unclaimed.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 24, 2011, 12:42:08 AM
How long do you want to wait?

Zak isn't exactly the most frequent poster.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 24, 2011, 12:56:27 AM
I'm here
I spent all day helping people move stuff, as oppose to reading the game.

Anyway, I'm Akemi Homerun. The Timestop ability bard Claimed I had basically just extended deadline by 12 hours. You can't unvote nor vote during the time, nor use rolepowers, but everything resumes as it was after the 12 hours are up.

I also have a power called Reset. I can send in the PM whenever I want, and when the day ends either due to deadline or lynch, instead of going to the next night phase, it goes back to the current day phase. I wasn't told exactly what would happen if I used the power.

I can only use both abilities once, and I haven't had a reason to use either of them yet.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 24, 2011, 01:05:19 AM
oh, and don't worry about me lurking anymore, since I'm under threat of modkill now.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 24, 2011, 04:40:22 AM
That's everyone.

Alright, he's what I'd like to know:

LLD, I'd like to know why you didn't claim your flavor. Bardiche made flavor important.

Affinity, I'd like to know what a "tickle" is, and naturally I'd like to see your cases.

Chaore, when you tell us who you protected I want to know if you knew you were successful Night 1, and I'd like to know why you didn't protect Bardiche last night.

Zakeri, I notice you neither stopped time on day 1 when there were no large wagons and a significant chance of no lynch, nor did you claim when Bardiche asked about you on day 1. Why?



K, here's what bothers me.

Dormio is pretty much confirmed bullet proof, Zak's role is confirmable, and Chaore explains the final missing NK on N1. Which leaves a scum sourced letter to the mod unaccounted for. Even if that letter came from Dormio, I still have a town read on Zak and I haven't seen an explanation for the missing NK other than Chaore's.

Of Dormio, Affinity, and LLD:

YJ lurking was bad, but not enough information. But LLD needs to start posting up a storm. Because town LLD posts up a storm and has lots of opinions and is always the center of attention. And I've seen scum LLD get modkilled for inactivity. So I need her post reads and scum hunt a storm. However, I still think she's the most likely to be townie, partially because of how she helped YJ target Dan.

I brought up my criticisms of Affinity's predecessor here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg719556.html#msg719556) I did not have enough information to make a proper judgement then, so I would like Affinity to post a lot of reads and thoughts and be active. Since I think one of them is lying about their role and I have a somewhat town read on LLD, I think he is most likely to be scum. ##FoS: Affinity

My crtitism of Dormio's tunneling yesterday remains valid. Everyone he had a town read on died, and Chaore was the only player he had a scum read on. There is 2 scum; so I want Dormio to start having opinions on people not named Chaore. My second pick for scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 24, 2011, 04:58:05 AM
Opinions will come a bit later than I expected. It just occurs to me I've literally gotten all of 4 hours of sleep and my body and brain feel like lead. I can answer your questions and claim targets though.

Anyway, No, I didn't know that my night action succeeded beyond being uninterrupted. I also protected Huhwhat. So basically I didn't have any confirmation about the magical third kill actually existing and in fact I'd literally have to already assume Huhwhat was town and shot to assume it was even possible he was town.

N2 I protected Bardiche after almost protecting Huhwhat. I'm still kinda sore about that, but it's important because PX is a blabbermouth and pretty much confirmed my protect would've worked. Which is handy as it confirms something (atleast to me) that makes last night's result more realistic.

Last night, I did actually protect Bardiche. I was unhampered and my protect did go through. He as you can see, died anyway. I'm going to guess scum has a one-shot piercing ability in conjunction with what PX blabbed about with N2. It makes sense they'd save it for late game as well, and Bard was probably the perfect target to use it on.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 24, 2011, 05:48:20 AM
##FoS Chaore
I believe that everything I said yesterday still stands in regards to Chaore.

As for who the other scum is, I want to see posts from Affinity and LLD before I make my judgement.
Preferably posts involving their opinions of every living player and the major events of D1/2/3.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 24, 2011, 07:03:58 AM
I am Fairy Tickle from Majokko Tickle.  Or something.

Personally, Chaore and Dormio draw the most ire for me.  Chaore's only merit on D2 is the vote on Shadoweh, but that's the only opinion I could really divine on that day because the rest of his opinions on ActionDan (until the end), Zakeri were based on a false understanding of huhwhat's role (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717272.html#msg717272) (from what I see).  Given that he was overly reliant on role shenanigans in determining Dan's alignment without even considering his actual actions, which almost all active people were considering on D2, his D2 actions seem really damning.  I don't quite accept his defense that the NK ambiguity prevented him from giving a role-free judgment of Dan either, when he was capable of doing so on Shadoweh.  His D3 actions of defending himself stalwartly and going for Hero999 repeatedly (an easy stance to take) without giving us his opinions on other people (even on Dormio), is also pretty bad. The range of interesting opinions he had on D1 was replaced by an incorrect retreat into role shenanigans on D2 and the Hero-centered play on D3,  giving the impression of him withholding accountability, which is what scum wants to do.  Main suspect for today.

Dormio is suspicious for reasons already said, though I'm more okay with his D2 actions than most, since 'primary' and 'secondary' lynches don't hold much weight on a mult-lynch day.  He dances a lot on Dan though, and that mystic shift from 'I think he's town for no reason at all' to 'I don't see why anyone would not want to lynch Dan today' is still urgh.  There's the same tendency to go from having a lot of suspects with a dubious order of preference on D1 to having only one on D4.  His case on Chaore is not that bad, but why only on Chaore?  It's not as if asking RIKTER or YJ to post more would do much if you're not even posting on capt.h and Zakeri, who are there?  He's playing incredibly anti-town lately, and whether it be a lack of motivation or something, I think he's another viable lynch today.  Only reason why I like Dormio better is due to having a more interesting D3 case than Chaore.

The other three are much harder to get opinions on in my opinion.  capt.h is playing very solidly  with me nodding at almost every post, but the thing here is that for all the questioning of and opinions on people who aren't really looked at, like RIKTER, they don't really seem to have an impact on who he votes for at the end (except for his FoS today and D1).  He's also not the prime mover of the Dan case so he's not really confirmed town either, but for now I am unwilling to lynch him compared to the above.

Zakeri deserves some recognition for his D2 HW case, which was somewhat original and agreeable, but due to him disappearing at the end of D2, which was the most important period of time in the whole game, I can't really get any judgment on him, other than his defence of HW on D1 only to implicate him on D2, and his rather mediocre post-D2.  He's alignment is really a crapshoot at this point.  Same for LLD really.  Same for me too.  Therefore half of this game is a crapshoot.

##FoS: Chaore
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 24, 2011, 07:15:44 AM
I didn't think that capth and Zakeri are scum and this did not change after a reread.
Which left either YJ or Rikter via process of elimination as the last scum. And how2read those two?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 24, 2011, 12:58:45 PM
@ Dormio and Affinity: How do you feel about Chaore's roleclaim? Does this impact your reads on him, particularly on day two?

CaptH: Day ones are nice when they're full of info, but I will always hate them while they're still going. Longer day ones also tend to lead people to lazing about since there's very little to discuss in plenty of time to do it.
I never felt the need to claim. I still thought Bard was scum day one, and even when that changed on day 2, I saw no reason to throw myself out there to support his claim.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 24, 2011, 04:16:28 PM
I find Chaore's roleclaim neutral in my judgment for now.  Could be a tipping factor between him and Dormio for me though.

Zakeri, who do you want lynched today?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 24, 2011, 05:29:12 PM
25.6% Done

Capt H: I don't like how in 99 you say you don't like Polaris's case on Dan, yet in 103 you make the same case against Dan that Polaris had. You didn't make it clear afterwards what you still thought of Polaris until 179 where you just called him lurkerscum.

Dormio: You said Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715538.html#msg715538) that you didn't push the case on Shadoweh because "It didn't make sense in your mind." Yet you restate your entire case against Shadoweh in that post. I checked back to your post 85, here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714933.html#msg714933) and it looks like your case hadn't changed at all. Could you tell me what parts of the case didn't make sense to you at the time?
The interactions with NeoSerela aren't quite as bad as I had thought they'd be. I thought the "Serela wasn't talking" Excuse was a huge point against Dormio, but in reading I can see that Dormio was only talking about from posts 85 (Where he made the case) to 131 where he responds to NeoSerela's new post.

Chaore doesn't have anything I want to address him with yet, but I've been noticing several interactions between him and Dan. Most notably, Dan made his vote on Chaore seem like it had substance, and that Chaore's response seemed to be to grill Shadoweh for not commenting on Dan's vote.

@Affinity: I'll get back to you on that when I finish reading, but at this point, the only person I'm even considering ruling out of my lynch list is Chaore. Even then, I still haven't figured out how to take the interactions with Dan, yet.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 25, 2011, 12:02:42 AM
Chaore, you claim you were debating whether or not to defend Huh What night 2. Yet in your [urlhttp://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg718199.html#msg718199]464[/url], you tell us that you were planning to go for Huh What's jugular. Why were you considering protecting Huh What at all?

LLD, you haven't posted in over 24 hours, and the only player you have said anything about this game is myself. What are your reads on everyone else?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 25, 2011, 12:03:39 AM
EBWOP:

Chaore, you claim you were debating whether or not to defend Huh What night 2. Yet in your 464 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg718199.html#msg718199), you tell us that you were planning to go for Huh What's jugular. Why were you considering protecting Huh What at all?

LLD, you haven't posted in over 24 hours, and the only player you have said anything about this game is myself. What are your reads on everyone else?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 25, 2011, 12:16:50 AM
If I'm being entirely honest, I have nothing else to say. I'm not motivated enough to post a full comprehensive case on Capt.H (sorry), but he's still scum.
 
However, the play for today is:
 
Vote: No Lynch
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 25, 2011, 12:20:22 AM
Chaore and Zakeri are town.
 
I'm town.
 
Affinity is... town by PoE, but scum if I'm wrong anywhere.
 
Dormio and Capt.H are the scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 25, 2011, 12:24:09 AM
Is there a reason you haven't claimed your flavor?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 25, 2011, 12:36:10 AM
Is there a reason you haven't claimed your flavor?

Cause I'm too lazy to get my role PM? Please hold.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 25, 2011, 12:37:06 AM
I am Stardust Witch Meruru from (Ore no Imouto).
 
I am a Townie Witch (or VT)
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 25, 2011, 01:14:12 AM
On second thought, I think I will withdraw my 'mostly town' read on capt. h; his originality and agreeableness kind of won me over too much.  Main points against him that I found in a quick reread is that there are a fair bit of contradictions on D1 that he was called out for, such as accusing Shadoweh of accusing everyone when he was accusing pretty much most of them himself here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715519.html#msg715519) (Polaris, Dormio, Serela; he said the difference was the scum pick thing but I don't buy it) and that thing that Zakeri pointed out.  Furthermore, he had only made two (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716985.html#msg716985) posts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717331.html#msg717331) on D2, and during these two posts, all of his opinions from D1 not on Dan seems to have disappeared completely, which is strange.  More damning is the fact that in the first of the above two posts, he did not vote Dan despite finding him suspicious, only doing so in the second post when the sentiment against Dan already built up.  And even in the second post, he just takes bits and pieces of the case from Bard without giving us any personal context as to how much more or less scummy other people are. 

Compared to his active questioning D1, the change is much too large to be ignored.  Even his great D3, where he gives out a lot of questions and opinions, serve to make his D2 look worse, especially when he could have given them on D2 (such as the thing on Chaore).  My opinion on him has tanked, and I need answers to these questions.

##FoS: capt. h

On the other hand, I am having second thoughts about putting Chaore above everyone else; it seems I was a little fuzzy in my judgment of his D2 and  I would rather lynch Dormio or even capt.h now.  Chaore, did you implicitly agree with what Bard and eveyrone was saying about Dan in D2?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 25, 2011, 01:34:50 AM
@Zakeri #608: It changes very little for me.

@Zakeri #610: At that point I was uncertain of how much of it was Shadoweh being weird, and how much of it was Shadoweh being scummy. I get confused between the two, and I was still reorganizing my thoughts on Shadoweh at the time. I did, however, fine Chaore and Serela to be scummy, which is why I wanted their lynches.

With LLD and Affinity's activities today, I think that LLD is more likely to be the remaining scum.
#613/614: "Dormio and capth are the scum, but let's no lynch."?
She makes no effort to explain why I am scum over anybody else, nor any effort to explain ANY of her reads at all.
LLD has promised us a case on capth since #510, but we still have yet to see it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 25, 2011, 01:36:05 AM
I'm going to have to say that LLD has confirmed my town read on her, and I am convinced Affinity is scum.

I am unhappy with how Affinity is characterizing my day 2, considering that the day was only 24 hours long and I had only made 2 posts that day. My first post came before his confirmation came, and I wanted to hold on judging a player that could confirm himself town until after he did the confirm. Then, in my second post I stated my distrust of the mod confirm and the reasons I voted Dan. I would have liked to have made more posts, but day 2 was cut very short, and I very much dislike how Affinity is exagerrating my lack of activity.

Furthermore, I am very unhappy with how she almost immediately goes from FoSing Chaore to fence-sitting between him and Dormio here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg720832.html#msg720832).
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 25, 2011, 02:10:00 AM
Let's no lynch because it's MOD CONFIRMED MYLO.
 
We have better odds in LYLO when the scum HAVE to make a kill, and confirm one of us as a townie~.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 25, 2011, 02:21:46 AM
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Numbers,_Part_1

An odd number of players lowers the probability of town win, when done randomly.

In the Lylo situation, I suspect it's because scum only have to sway one townie onto a town wagon instead of two.

And since I both have a strong town read on you and I know you think I'm scum, I'm strongly opposed to No-lynch, since you'd probably be the one townie. I would feel much better if scum had to convince two townies onto a town wagon instead.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 25, 2011, 02:30:45 AM
I only made it up to day two in my reads. I'll have more tomorrow.

To add, Capt H has a less than Stellar Day 2. I only count three posts, and only one actually comments on a person's Alignment. That post is post 387, where he discounts Dan's confirm and tries to lead people away from the (now revealed) False dichotomy of the day. Another thing that makes me frown really hard at him is his Post 179 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716134.html#msg716134) In which he says Dormio is Dormio, Dan is "Frusteratingly Bad" but doesn't say if he's scum, and then lists the two lynches for Day one as his worst.
@CaptH can you explain why you felt the need to address Dormio and Dan in that post?

Dormio doesn't look worse, but all he really did was push his remaining case from day one on day two.

As for Chaore, well. I really do think he's town. Forgiving him for the whole of 369 (The one where he says he wants Dan and HW alive, but not Shadoweh) his posts feel genuine. He was one of the ones actively trying to figure out what happened in a time where scum would want to shut up and bus their partner, who's already far gone. Plus, I've gotten it into my head that the HW Nightkill on night 2 makes more sense when you consider that Chaore's role is true. The Scumteam probably killed HW because they figured the doctor would be able to give him a town clear.

He's basically my only town read left this game
LLD being lazy at this point in the game is frusterating, but since my reread I'm more forgiving of her playstyle considering her results. Although it'd be nice if she showed her work on Affinity.
Affinity backtracking on the Capt H town read is making me panic. I'm too tired to address the post rationally, so I'm going to sleep on it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 25, 2011, 02:32:49 AM
Why would you withhold judgment on a person who only had one vote to his name, if you truly think that he's scum?  And you have not answered my questions as to what happened to your opinions on other people like Dormio and Shadoweh.  If you had the time to devote one paragraph to prodding lurkers (which had no effect on the game whatsoever), sure you would have the time to do more useful things like make clear what happened to your other cases from D1.

As for the supposed fencesit, I'm having cold feet about my opinion on Chaore as of this morning, especially regarding his D2 actions, so I suppose I'l confirm that I want Dormio lynched over Chaore now.  His rather useless D3 conduct still stands though.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 25, 2011, 02:43:23 AM
Edit: Forgot to respond to cuts.

Dormio: I'm not satisfied with your answer to my second question. If you'd hold back on Shadoweh because you can't tell what's her being weird or not, how do you tell if Chaore or Serela is just being weird or not? Especially since Serela is much more likely to act weird as town than Shadoweh is.

Dormio pushes Scum LLD/Town Affinity, and then suddenly one post later, Capt H pushes Town LLD/Scum Affinity. I'm not certain if this is a happy Coincidence or not, but it sounds like the set up for a scum motivated False Dichotomy.

##Fos: Dormio
##FoS: Capt.H
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 25, 2011, 02:49:31 AM
I meant as in, I needed some more time to parse her actions.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 25, 2011, 02:50:40 AM
Either way, to reiterate or make it clear or whatever.

##FoS Chaore
##FoS LLD
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 25, 2011, 03:11:10 AM
@Zak - I felt obligated to note Dormio and Dan because they were the other two players that were viable wagons at the time. It was time to form wagons and I had decided that I was going to drop them in favor of NeoSerela, who I thought was the scummiest. Since the three players were equally viable at the time of my vote, I needed to explain why I was pushing for NeoSerela's lynch, as opposed to Dan's or Dormio's, and why I thought NeoSerela was more likely to be scum than the other two.


@Affinity - Everyone truely thought Action Dan was scum when Polaris died searching him. And then he said he could confirm himself town. I'm not going to go about lynching mod-confirmed townies, and I'm not going to continue to push the scumminess of a player that's going to flip himself until after the flip. Whereas for why I focused mostly on Action Dan, it was because Dan was the center of attention, and needed the majority of my focus. The first and most important thing I needed to figure out was whether or not I thought Dan was scum, and the other players could wait. Had the day gone on longer and calmed down a bit I would have properly analyzed other players and make cases on them. But it was cut very short by Rikter and Action Dan.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 25, 2011, 04:56:53 AM
I only made it up to day two in my reads. I'll have more tomorrow.

To add, Capt H has a less than Stellar Day 2. I only count three posts, and only one actually comments on a person's Alignment. That post is post 387, where he discounts Dan's confirm and tries to lead people away from the (now revealed) False dichotomy of the day. Another thing that makes me frown really hard at him is his Post 179 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716134.html#msg716134) In which he says Dormio is Dormio, Dan is "Frusteratingly Bad" but doesn't say if he's scum, and then lists the two lynches for Day one as his worst.
@CaptH can you explain why you felt the need to address Dormio and Dan in that post?

Dormio doesn't look worse, but all he really did was push his remaining case from day one on day two.

As for Chaore, well. I really do think he's town. Forgiving him for the whole of 369 (The one where he says he wants Dan and HW alive, but not Shadoweh) his posts feel genuine. He was one of the ones actively trying to figure out what happened in a time where scum would want to shut up and bus their partner, who's already far gone. Plus, I've gotten it into my head that the HW Nightkill on night 2 makes more sense when you consider that Chaore's role is true. The Scumteam probably killed HW because they figured the doctor would be able to give him a town clear.

He's basically my only town read left this game
LLD being lazy at this point in the game is frusterating, but since my reread I'm more forgiving of her playstyle considering her results. Although it'd be nice if she showed her work on Affinity.
Affinity backtracking on the Capt H town read is making me panic. I'm too tired to address the post rationally, so I'm going to sleep on it.

The Afffinity town read isn't... a town read persay.
 
It's basically a "I think Capt.H/Dormio is the scum team, so Affinity can't be scum". Process of Elimination.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 25, 2011, 06:06:00 AM
If Dan could mod-confirm himself, then yes, he's town.  If Dan could not, then he was scum.  If anything else was in between concerning role speculation, one would still have to refer to the actions he had done and scumhunt, which is what you should have done instead of languishing in paralysis.  You weren't going to find anything out by your own power otherwise as shown by your 'five aces in the deck post'.  Furthermore, if you truly believed that he was not the right lynch at that time, without bothering to find the bad points about him, then why didn't you consider other people and their actions?  I don't buy your explanation that Dan was the main focus of the day since discussion regarding Shadoweh, Dormio and huhwhat were being tossed around too, and you could have easily participated in any of them with what you had claimed to find D1.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: PX on September 25, 2011, 07:11:44 AM
Find your own quote.

Here's your music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0rLl1uK544)

The Twenty Sixth Lazy Votecount!
No Lynch (1) - Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting: Everyone else

Chaore has been prodded.

Day 3 ends in 42.75 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 25, 2011, 08:27:15 AM
If Dan could mod-confirm himself, then yes, he's town.  If Dan could not, then he was scum.  If anything else was in between concerning role speculation, one would still have to refer to the actions he had done and scumhunt, which is what you should have done instead of languishing in paralysis.  You weren't going to find anything out by your own power otherwise as shown by your 'five aces in the deck post'.  Furthermore, if you truly believed that he was not the right lynch at that time, without bothering to find the bad points about him, then why didn't you consider other people and their actions?  I don't buy your explanation that Dan was the main focus of the day since discussion regarding Shadoweh, Dormio and huhwhat were being tossed around too, and you could have easily participated in any of them with what you had claimed to find D1.

Affinity, I did look into his actions and scumhunt. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717331.html#msg717331) But I could not know whether he was the correct lynch until he either showed or failed to show what he promised - a mod confirmation that he was town. And I will not act rashly when I do not need to. On Polaris' merits, he was scum. If he had shown mod confirmation of towniness, he was town. There was no in between at the time of my first post, because if he was anything less than a perfect townie (which he wasn't, for reasons I mentioned the previous day), Polaris would have been enough to lynch him, while if the mod confirmed him, I would have to assume town (I will not assume lying mod, because that would make the game pointless).

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 25, 2011, 08:50:57 AM
@capt.H: His Dayvig was still something on the table, and I wasn't sure if he'd be shot for that if he was town. I at first thought they probably would just because it's confirmable, but I eventually decided against it because he well... looked like scum. I figured even if he was town they wouldn't actually shoot him in the face because his face was too scummy and they'd get their bullets dirty. Bard was the obvious protect choice otherwise.

@Affinity: Yes, I didn't really address the actual case on Dan but I didn't disagree with any of it, really. I was honestly not completely sure because everything didn't really make all that much sense to me at that point, but I did agree there was good reason to think Dan was scum. I just...didn't take Bard's suggestion to stop thinking about the night to heart and started thinking about the night.

I am having absorbent amounts of trouble expressing myself tonight. I with this was something that wasn't so unfortunately regular.

I have a town read on Zakeri and LLD. LLD because her early ActionDan case literally makes no fucking sense with her as scum, and Zakeri because he's the only person who hasn't said a thing that has made me make an illegal pitching motion. I simply can't look at Zakeri and seriously say 'that guy could be scum'.

Of the final three, I think I'd like to see Capt.H lynched the most at the moment. I can't properly quantify what the fuck, but I think it's mostly his sudden switch to Affinity as top choice at the beginning of the day coming from 'Dormio is scum and I would like him lynched more'. This is a switch from having a case to someone deduced via 'one of the VTs must be lying'. This change is actually pretty jarring, and I'd like to ask Capt. H why he decided to swap from the person he had a case on to the person who he has no case on and admits has not enough information to judge.

I'd also prefer Dormio over Affinity. I was kind of nursing the idea that Dormio was being his normal brain-dead mole self for a while, but I don't think I could honestly say that town would enter lylo and make no effort to reconsider anything and just go 'EVERYTHING I SAID STANDS'. His second choice for scum (LLD) is basically also picked out because they said something that isn't immediately townie they must be scum. He's putting no effort into even trying to scumhunt today. During Lylo. Please inform me how this is pro-town and I am scum for daring to attack the town-bulletproof for this, Dormio.

Affinity gives me a few odd feelings, but I think his sudden genuflection to disliking Capt.H is honestly genuine, and I'd probably not want to see him lynched over the other two.

If you excuse me, I just spent 7 hours typing this up, it is now 5 in the morning, and I am fucking tired.

@Votecount: That should be Chaore Prodded PX to Prod Chaore.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 25, 2011, 12:57:13 PM
Urgh, Chaore, the thing about your post is that it shows that you had almost no opinions at all coming into D4 (except for the LLD town read and Zakeri) town, since most of your (admittedly convincing) views just came from today's actions.  There isn't really much of a connection between your views from D2 to D4 too, so there's this fluidity in your character which I'm uneasy with, since it allows you to chase whatever happens to be the most convenient lynch at any time if you are scum.

LLD, do you have that motivation to make the capt.h case now?  Everything seems too lethargic here.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 25, 2011, 06:03:51 PM
Affinity, I would like you to full claim, with all the flavor.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 25, 2011, 08:33:20 PM
Affinity, stop waffling on Chaore. You go from #FoSing Chaore to waffling on him and Dormio to admitting cold feet on him and FoSing me, and then you point out that you think what he did was just scummy. It looks like to me you want to point accusations at Chaore without actually voting for him, or distancing.

Furthermore, I really don't like this:

Compared to his active questioning D1, the change is much too large to be ignored.  Even his great D3, where he gives out a lot of questions and opinions, serve to make his D2 look worse, especially when he could have given them on D2 (such as the thing on Chaore).  My opinion on him has tanked, and I need answers to these questions.

I have answered your questions. However, I don't like this statement. You're saying I look bad for not actively questioning players day 2 because I actively questioned players days 1 and 3.  You're using the fact that I did actively question players to make me appear scummier than if I hadn't actively questioned players on any day. It's a trap to make playing generally pro-town seem scummier than playing consistantly anti-town.

@Chaore - I wanted to ratchet up pressure on Rikter's player slot today and finally make a decision, but I felt that the popcorning helped. Your claim explained Night 1 and would be risky for scum because it came before Zak, Dormio's claim is confirmed (even if he is scum), and Zak's claim is confirmable. I think LLD is town. Affinity made a fairly safe claim (probably the safest claim for scum among the popcorners) - He claimed Vanilla Townie when there were already two claimed VT's. We know someone is lying about their role (considering the mod confirm of Dan hasn't been explained), and Affinity's claim is the most likely one to have been fabricated. His play during the rest of the day has affirmed my suspicions.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 25, 2011, 09:51:51 PM
@Capt.H: I see. I didn't get that connection because I didn't register Dan as having a wagon on day one (It only had two votes, both by people who couldn't formulate a case to save their lives). The question would then become "Why Dan, but not Shadoweh?" Except for the part where you've been after Shadoweh since you came in. That makes this much more ambiguous than I'm comfortable holding against you, thought the fact still remains that you supported NeoSerela and Polaris over Dan and Dormio.

I agree that Affinity's attack on Capt.H's day 2 is a bit unfair. Pretty much everyone had a bad day 2 compared to the rest of the game, because Day 2 was filled to the brim with role shenanigans and confirmation bias.

Not much, but I have to get something out.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 26, 2011, 12:14:55 AM
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Blurb on me waffling on Chaore

Fair, and I fully accept this judgment, but it's just that Chaore's impression has been shifting and changing for me.  I misinterpreted his D2 a bit as going for Dan without considering the roleless case on him, but it seems that it wouldn't have made a difference even if he did include it, since Bard said all that was to be said.  His case on Shadoweh was pretty fair too, so it was not as if he was being idle, unlike you, which I thought he was.  However, I really hate his post-D3, as you can see, and taken individually things like his Hero999 chasing post and the last post he made were really disconnected from any accountability, which raises alarm for me.  This is a conflict I have yet to resolve.

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You're saying I look bad for not actively questioning players day 2 because I actively questioned players days 1 and 3.  You're using the fact that I did actively question players to make me appear scummier than if I hadn't actively questioned players on any day. It's a trap to make playing generally pro-town seem scummier than playing consistantly anti-town.

No, what you did wasn't pro-town on D2, and no matter what you did on the other days, what you did was still scummy, withholding your vote on Dan, not even following up your cases on others when others did, and opportunistically jumping on the Dan wagon when everything was up and moving with something that wasn't scumhunting but the mere copying of other people's cases, namely Bard.  Of course, you aren't the only one that did that, and that alone isn't bad since there are only so many reasons, but the thing is that you contributed nothing else that day.  Name me someone else on that day who wasn't RIKTER and YJ and did not consider a case other than that of ActionDan; this renders your defense that 'Dan was the only focus of the day' invalid since it was only you who insisted on only going at him.

In the end, all you did on D2 was speculate on Dan's actions in your first post, vote Dan in the second with already accepted reasoning, and chase lurkers.  It has the impression of a wait-and-see, which no one else in the day could claim as they all had subsidiary cases they wanted to pursue.

I stand by my roleclaim.  Fairy Tickle (Majokko Tickle), Vanilla Townie.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 02:05:01 AM
I did not like Chaore's Shadoweh case day 2, and I'm surprised you're defending it. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg717210.html#msg717210) It's a mess up of accusing her over her setup speculation, which is hypocritical considering Chaore's day 2 was nothing but a mess of setup speculation. I would like to know what it is that you liked about his day 2.

The primary issue I have with your request (that I find players other than your playerslot and LLD's playerslot that only talked about Dan) is that there isn't a living player that actually judged Dan on his scumminess and discussed their non-speculation reasons. Dormio linked Bard's case before voting Shadoweh, Chaore based his decision (and all his decisions that day) almost entirely on setup and other player's speculation about it, and Zak talked around the issue only bringing up issues with Huh What and Shadoweh.

@Zak - All I can say about Shadoweh is that when I took a second look at my case on her here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715519.html#msg715519), I decided to drop it. I did have a bad feeling about her, but that was it; the fact is she's used fake QT's to avoid suspicion as town in Jojo's, and she almost always fires attacks at everyone day 1. I'd be stretching if I continued to use that case, so I dropped it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 26, 2011, 03:12:41 AM
@capt.h: Urgh, as I said, I never really blamed you specifically for copying the reasons of Bard like everyone else did (after he did post), but again, that you keep insisting that Dan is so important that you couldn't talk about anything else, which is untrue.  In summary, you did nothing Day 2, since your Dan vote was the same as everyone else, and didn't have any other opinions or stances to offer, which doesn't follow well from your Day One.  Gosh, I've been repeating this so many times regarding how not being consistent with your reads and suspicions from day to day is scummy because it allows you to take any voting stance you want without the pain of continuity, which gives scum numerous wait-and-see opportunities to best place their vote; this is a fault of Chaore's too.

As for Chaore's vote, I disagree with what you view as hypocrisy.  Shadoweh's role speculation was using NK speculation to arbitarily clear a few people as townies and directly implicate another set without any further argument.  It doesn't sound strange to implicate this behavior as scummy. 

===

Well, at least this back-and-forth does make me feel somewhat better about you, capt.h, since everyone else with the exception of Zakeri seems completely apathetic about everything right now.  For me, it's more of a choice between determining which is worse?  A bad D2, or a bad post-D3?  Chaore, Dormio, LLD are all in the latter while capt.h and Dormio are somehow in the former.  Zakeri is also somehow a big question mark.  I don't believe that no lynch is the best way to go today for the reason capt.h stated, so I guess I will say that I want Dormio lynched the most right now for that Dan dance and the apathy coming into today.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: PX on September 26, 2011, 03:14:10 AM
Final Boss Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ3S4kb8RLw)

The Twenty Seventh WalpurgisNacht Votecount!
No Lynch (1) - Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting: Everyone else

Dormio has been prodded.

Day 3 ends in 23.67 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 26, 2011, 03:35:00 AM
Hate. Uni. Wireless.

I see nothing that contests my thoughts on Chaore's D3, which is why I say that I believe that that case still stands.
I thought he was scum yesterday, and I still think that he's scum today.
I do find it interesting how capt.h became Chaore's top scumpick, and the one that Chaore would like to see lynched today, in #633 after having almost not mentioned capt.h all game.
This hate doesn't even take into consideration the capt.h's actions from any other day. Just "that change at the beginning of today actually pretty jarring".

And on the note of LLD, LLD admits that she is being lazy in #629 and that she is using the process of elimination to get her town read on Affinity. In MYLO.
The only things that LLD has done today is to start off the massclaim, and to suggest a no lynch.
She calls me scum, but fails to give us any reasoning at all. And she calls capt.h scum with very little reasoning that she only briefly mentioned in D3 and has not bothered to restate or expand on since.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 26, 2011, 04:33:35 AM
Bleh, this is boring.  Let's see now, who wants who lynched.

Chaore: capt.h/Dormio
Affinity: Dormio/capt.h/Chaore
LLD: capt.h/Dormio
Dormio: Chaore/LLD
capt.h: Affinity/Dormio
Zakeri: Dormio/capt.h.

Everything is wrong with everyone, but we can only lynch one person.  Zakeri hasn't even really clarified his position yet with these sporadic rereadings he has been making, and LLD is basically relying on YJ's early vote on D2 as her only townie thing to do.  Chaore has problems with accountability which are as yet unexplained, capt.h has immense problems with his D2 but is fairly good and helpful otherwise.  Dormio is apathetic, has a scummy history and is really just shoehorning his case on Chaore (which I somewhat agree with partially) as his only proof of town.  Without motivation or activity, Mafia is not much more than a game of chance no matter what reasoning you give or how much time you take, so I suppose there's not much we can do now but vote.  Head says Dormio, heart says Chaore.  Here's to a life of eternal sadness and misery.

##Vote: Chaore for the reasons I gave in my first post.  As to why him over Dormio and capt.h, it's all due to the chronic inconsistency of his actions and that kind of living day by day, lynch by lynch; what with suddenly finding capt.h scum without questioning.  At least the others gave some explanation; capt.h's vote against me was partially based on his suspicion of RIKTER which was quite elaborate while Dormio felt like he was actively scumhunting by going after Chaore.  So yeah, let's go.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 26, 2011, 04:57:21 AM
Lynch time.

##Vote Chaore
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: PX on September 26, 2011, 05:28:51 AM
Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NyWR9nqYOY)

The Twenty Eigth Mogumogut Votecount!
Chaore (2) - Affinity, Dormio
No Lynch (1) - Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting: Everyone else

Lady Lambdadelta has been prodded.

Day 3 ends in 20.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 26, 2011, 05:56:29 AM
GET YOUR VOTE OFF CHAORE RIGHT NOW AFFINITY.
 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 26, 2011, 06:22:35 AM
##Unvote

Okay, but why do you think Chaore is so town and what about my views are wrong?  I'm willing to hear what you have to say!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 26, 2011, 06:23:54 AM
Actually I think she wants the No Lynch.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 26, 2011, 06:31:37 AM
Will be putting back my vote in a few hours of so, though, if nothing occurs.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 26, 2011, 07:10:57 AM
Vote: Capt.h
 
Trust in my gut, please.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 26, 2011, 07:19:25 AM
I'd rather not.

##Vote: Chaore
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 26, 2011, 07:43:55 AM
@Affinity: I am very tired, very annoyed you're deciding to pull the 'EVEN THOUGH MY BRAIN TELLS ME I'M WRONG, I'M GOING WITH MY HEART' again, in a lylo situation, and increasingly confused. Please explain how you want me to magically fix retroactively these problems with 'accountability' (What? Am I supposed to suddenly declare myself accountable for something or...?) and what these magical inconsistent actions so I can properly tell you why you do not go with your heart in the middle of lylo and we can lynch scum. I'm going to guess this is all slang for 'Chaore's last post has LEFT ME IN DESPAIR AND CONSTANT WAFFLING', which I don't really have an answer to because I -really- don't give much of a damn this game, but I want an explanation of what you're trying to say in clear understandable terms. Not magical mafia speak.

Use some post links as well. Your cases in general are annoying to try and divine without them, because it's hard to tell what your reference is.

@LLD: ... I thought you had MORE than gut, from what you've been telling us. Is this literally all you've been running on?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 26, 2011, 09:58:15 AM
It's more of an attitude than anything else, rather than any specific post.  Day 3, you generally defended yourself against Dormio and went after Hero with infinite zest without giving us the impression of any alternative.  Day 4, you suddenly discover that capt.h is scum all along at the beginning of the day for pursuing me and that Dormio is anti-town with great lethargy.  It baffles me that nothing you said on D4 is telegraphed from D3, and that you could chase Hero with all the conventionally brilliant scumhunting on D3 while 'not being able to quantify what the fuck is wrong with capt.h except for his switch to me' here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg721300.html#msg721300) and yet still be happy with lynching him.  In MyLo.  Also, capt.h is probably the guy with the richest history around here besides you and you not being able to pull anything out of that to support your case is immensely telling. 

Lastly, and I just noticed from your last post; you need to update your cases.  Capt.h posted this post on RIKTER (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg719556.html#msg719556) which justifies his case against me, rendering your case against him useless.  In the end, out of all the players in the game, I know where you stand from day to day the least, and that makes me want to lynch you the most, even though Dormio may have a far worse D1-D2 than you do.

Maybe a question to you can help me judge better.  Why did you place capt.h above Dormio in your scumlist?  What makes you think that 'capt. h arbitarily switching from Dormio to me as his main choice of lynch' is worse than 'Dormio being anti-town and tunnelly on you."  All these questions and more; I do not understand your thought processes and stuff like that.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 26, 2011, 12:46:53 PM
I have more Chaore. Tangible evidence is basically D1/D2 postings by Capt.H in relation to Dan.
 
Chaore is town for the reasons that caught Dan. Pushing a stupid RVS/RNG vote by Chaore as legitimately scummy makes dem scumdars go ~PING~.
 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 03:10:27 PM
I reread Chaore's day 2 under the context of him being a doctor.

If he's scum, he was planning on claiming doctor from the very beginning. Lots of hints on day 2, such as asking why there was no indication of additional blocked NKs and figuring Dormio was killed because Dormio was a safe kill, and scum would guess a doctor. Makes sense for the doc to assume scum assume a doc, moreso than I would expect for scum to assume a doc. Basically, his arguments on day 2 make much more sense from the perspective of a doctor than from a normal townie.

I don't want to lynch him today.

LLD, I want you to look at Affinity, and tell us if you see anything odd. My main concern with you is that now that you have scum reads, I don't think you've considered the possibility that players new to the game might be scum instead. I also think that you should question me about the things you find scummy about my play rather than simply state what you find scummy in general. This doesn't change my read on you.

I don't like Dormio's play today - it felt like he was staying out of the discussion, having no opinion either way about what was going on and posting just enough to tell us who he wants lynched. I would like him to explain why he's choosing between Affinity and LLD for his last scum pick. I'd also like his town reads.

Affinity - we don't have 3 lynches, we have 2, and only if we lynch right today. I think you should narrow down your scum picks and decide which player you think is least likely to be scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 26, 2011, 03:52:03 PM
As you can see, I want Chaore lynched today.  There is not really much point in prematurely deciding which is the least likely to be scum since the flip of today's lynch (if correct) decides the main suspects of tomorrow depending on the connections (e.g a Chaore scumflip would implicate LLD the most and make Dormio look more town etc.).  If you really want an answer, I'll put Chaore and Dormio at the forefront for now.

I really don't like your idea of Chaore's D2 but that's for another day.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 26, 2011, 03:59:52 PM
Around 10-12 hours left, I think.  Will be around around 8 hours later.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: PX on September 26, 2011, 07:49:54 PM
6 hours remain. Votecount when I'm out of class. Chaore is at L-2
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 26, 2011, 07:57:50 PM
##Vote: Capt.H

This is mostly going by process of elimination now. Town Affinity, I can see wrestling with Chaore's posts in his head, and trying to figure out if he's actually scum enough to vote despite his doctor claim. Scum Affinity, on the other hand, I would imagine he couldn't even think about posting A current wagon analysis and a jump onto the same wagon Dormio is (not actually) pushing for today (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg721803.html#msg721803) that close together with a straight face.

Capt H on the other hand has, as LLD said before, weird interactions regarding dan for the end of day one and all of day two. Also, as Affinity said, the fact that he refused to discuss anything besides ActionDan does read a little bit like he was trying to milk a sudden bus.

Cut: 6 hours, got it. I'll be back at deadline to vote move if it's needed.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 08:10:23 PM
You're kidding me Zak.

Creating double wagons in Lylo is the last thing you want to do.

I mean, I didn't care about the Chaore votes because I thought both players on it were scum, but I don't like being placed at L-2 by two players I think are townies.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 08:11:23 PM
You won't be able to vote move in 6 ****ing hours because the game will be over in 6 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 08:16:59 PM
Anyway, the reason I was so interested in Affinity's claim and the reason I asked for her and LLD's role names (which are suspiciously different from one another) is because I'm not a vanilla townie. My role name is Townie Cardcaptor (which is half the reason I dropped all those card references, the other being that I'm a character from card captor Sakura. I wasn't allowed to claim anything other than vanilla townie in the role PM. Once per night, including Night 0 and after I die, I must select one of ten cards. I suspect that they're the reason for the new rules each day.

I can only claim now because I asked PX what the penalty for claiming was. I thought it would be a mod kill, but it turns out the only difference is that the cards are selected completely at random. Which is fine, since I can't predict the card effects anyway.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 08:21:48 PM
The name of the ability is called "Dreams of Reality". It's an active ability. The card names are The Mirror, The Thunder, The Erase, The Dark, The Jump The Shield, The Watery, The Illusion, The Wood, and The Windy. I must select one of these cards each night. Night 0 was the Watery, selected by JOB. Night 1, the Mirror. Night 2, the Jump. Night 3, the Illusion. Since the cards seem completely unrelated to their effects anyway, if the only punishment is that Keine selects them instead of me then all that means is that I'm rolling a dice instead of picking a card.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 08:25:31 PM
Incidentally, I'm very surprised and disappointed that no one noticed that LLD is a Townie Witch, while Affinity is a Vanilla townie. Especially that neither Affinity nor LLD seemed to recognize the fact. I would have brought it up myself, but then I would have to know which one's role was actually vanilla townie. And frankly, I have no idea. Although I would not have been able to claim Townie Witch, even if the role was the same as Vanilla Townie.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 08:34:55 PM
And finally, if you're wondering why I waited until now to fullclaim, it's because I didn't see how admitting to having lied during the popcorning could help town unless I was sure I was going to be lynched. And making multiple wagons is horrible in Lylo, because the only reason Chaore hasn't been lynched yet is because 1) One of the players on his wagon is scum or 2) He's scum. Why the hell would you take that risk twice is beyond me; the only way I won't be lynched in the next hour is if you or LLD is scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: PX on September 26, 2011, 08:38:46 PM
Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BLsI5eVfQY)

The Twenty Ninth Red Votecount!
Chaore (2) - Affinity, Dormio
Capt. h (2) - Lady Lambdadelta, Zakeri

Not voting: Everyone else

Day 3 ends in 5.25 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 09:32:03 PM
In-game Post-game rants

Affinity, Zakary - Do you two understand that THIS IS MYLO?

If a player is within two votes of a lynch with 2 scum and they aren't dead in 12 hours or less, then it means either they or a player on their wagon is scum. OTHERWISE SCUM WOULD HAVE ENDED IT ALREADY.

Affinity, we can't just lynch Chaore for information and use his flip to determine the alignment of others. He's either scum or he's dead. DON'T TREAT MYLO LIKE AN INFORMATION LYNCH. You're either right or you lose.

And sheesh, I know there's three other townies out there. I also know that every player here other than Affinity has been prodded. Stop being apathetic about the fact that this is the last day of the game. The only reason it isn't a scum tell is because everyone is HORRIBLE.

LLD, your play is the most anti-town play possible for someone I consider townie. I think you're town, but if you're really town and you haven't even noticed the fact that your vanilla townie claim doesn't match Affinity's vanilla townie claim then I have to ask what the hell you've been doing these past few game days. And the same goes for Affinity about LLD. I might even like your case on me if you weren't utterly vague about it, or if it were possible to change your reads. But I don't get the impression you actually learn and improve between games, because you're still pushing cases on cryptic logic without even entertaining alternatives, confirmation biasing town to death.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 09:50:48 PM
Also, TALKING ABOUT SCUM ISN'T A SCUM TELL.

Avoiding discussion about scum, and avoiding discussion about whether or not they are scummy (whether it be because of role speculation in the case of Chaore, because they'de rather talk about Shadoweh in the case of Dormio, or avoiding talking about scum directly in the case of Zakary), is. I especially dislike that Zak, of all the players, is criticizing me for only talking about Dan when his one post on day 2 didn't have any opinion about the now-flipped scum at all.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 10:04:00 PM
Dormio (this only applies partially if you're scum) - What is with you and tunnel vision? Seriously, you picked exactly one player to talk about on Day 3 total, and that was it. You didn't even have opinions on half the game, and your town read on Hero was based on the assumption that Chaore was scum. GDI talk about more than one player per day. Especially in this game, where there is so much scum intent from EVERYONE that I think the reasons to believe a player town are fewer than the reasons to believe a player scum. And your tunneling was especially bad on day 2, where you linked Bard's case on Dan and then tunneled on only Shadoweh. PURSUING ONE TARGET TO THE DEATH DOES NOT HELP TOWN. Not unless you've already considered all the alternatives.

Hero: Townies should NEVER give up. Ever. They also shouldn't rely completely on their roles, and they should make cases. And townies should always have a reason for why they act.

You don't switch votes because you suddenly want Shadoweh dead more, you switch votes because you want to take the more confirmed route over the less confirmed route. An explanation for your actions should never be "sheer laziness and role reliance". And cases are good, they're better than the alternative.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 10:16:30 PM
Zak - You tried to get a townie killed over a scum you ignored on day 2, on day 3 I consider your play rather apathetic towards your primary lynch especially when Bardiche was asking for help deciding, and on day 4 you started an alternate wagon when either at least one of the players on Chaore's wagon is scum, Chaore is scum, or town has already lost.

If you're town, START THINKING. STOP FORGETTING THIS IS THE LAST DAY. Half the reason I didn't want to start a wagon on Dormio is that I think Affinity is more likely at the moment (although Dormio's CONTENTLESS day 4 is giving me second thoughts) and every single additional wagon that gets made today is a huge liability to town. I definitely did not increase the liability by starting a Dormio wagon until I saw if I could get LLD to budge on Affinity.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 26, 2011, 10:17:16 PM
@capth: I had town reads in Bardiche and Hero, and wasn't sure about YJ(LLD)/Rikter/you/Zakeri.
I thought that you and Zakeri were more likely to be scum than not, which leaves me to find the scum between YJ(LLD) and Rikter. And again, how was I meant to do that without flipping a coin?
I'd prefer to talk about Chaore because he is my solid scum read. Like you said, this is LYLO. I'd prefer to push the case that I have the most confidence in, because I want to win.

As for Day 2, I've said it before but I was working under the assumption that Dan was going to be lynched. It was a multi-lynch day, remember?
Therefore, I was going to look for the other scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 10:24:18 PM
In the future, it looks much better if you say you have town reads on Zak and myself than if you say that you don't know.

Sorry about the rant.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 26, 2011, 10:25:24 PM
I was unsure, just leaning more town than not.
Because, seriously, how am I meant to read YJ/Rikter?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 10:36:25 PM
YJ was the village idiot.

Rikter was the player hiding behind the village idiot.

I actually can't tell which one's scummier myself. Rikter was a bit more subtle. [urlhttp://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715891.html#msg715891]Here he accuses Polaris of being scummy for not finding NeoSerela suspicious.[/url] He later allows Dan to end Day 2 48 hours early, and then on day 3 he claims I told him to do it, when I only told him to vote on day 1 when there almost was a no lynch (using me as an excuse when he didn't have one). I wanted to follow him up on it, but he lurked out.

But truthfully, my town read on the playerslot comes from LLD and the case she made on Action Dan, the importance she places in having her lynch happening as opposed to not caring whether we listen to her or not, and the consistenly helpful guidance she gives town, such as suggesting popcorning, which might not have happened otherwise considering our track record. Part of the reason I looked at Rikter so hard is because he was being ignored though, whereas YJ's anti-town play is immediately obvious.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 10:37:19 PM
EBWOP:
Here he accuses Polaris of being scummy for not finding NeoSerela suspicious. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715891.html#msg715891)
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 26, 2011, 10:43:02 PM
@Affinity: Fair enough.

I can pretty much make clear everything that is wrong by motioning up to that post on Rikter. Yes, he addresses and says Rikter is suspicious, There is one thing that makes that move incredibly odd though.

He places you above Dormio. I'd have been utterly fine if it was just placing you at second, that makes sense with the reasons he gives (My claim, You vs. LLD), but he literally wanted to lynch you above Dormio. It kind of makes sense if you take it as a gradual swift from 'Okay just trying to put pressure, still would vote Dormio to actually lynch' but it doesn't actually work that way. All it takes is one waffle onto him and he goes 'Aww yeah lets lynch us some affinity'. It seems incredibly abrupt and honestly he's pretty much actually been pushing Lynching Affinity over Lynching Dormio the entire day. It doesn't help he's not really even said anything about Dormio, preferring to go after you today and ignore him. I'm not exactly sure why this is, so while the captain is here I'll extend if he has an explanation for this.

I find it worse than what Dormio is doing mostly because it simple feels less like something that would actually happen with a town!CaptH. Meanwhile, If you were to ask me if Dormio would be completely and utterly anti-town as town I would be honest to admit that he would in a loving heartbeat. This just seems to be something that clashes with an assumption that 'CaptH is town' more.

@Capt.H: What.

I'm going to be honest in that your claim seems like a really convenient way to explain how you're the dreaming god but didn't mention it earlier. Your arbitrary restraint on being able to roleclaim makes little sense. We can not influence the results of your role in anyway, you claiming dreaming god is not an auto-win button, and if it was giving it such a light restraint is POINTLESS.

I'm not sure what to say about the results either. Day 1 and Today's frankly seem planned. Today's perfectly meshes with a lylo situation and Day 1's would've been game changing any day but. It feels a bit to coincidental you drew them when you did, but It's arguing on a 1/10 and 1/7 or 6 chances and possibilities of happening.

You're also nabbing apart at rolenames and it strikes me as an incredibly pointless thing to do. Affinity could just feel like claiming what their role actually is, rather than the role name. Especially not getting what you're actually asking.

I'm pretty sure I still want you lynched, but I'll wait on your answer.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 26, 2011, 11:18:22 PM
@capt.h:

Me not changing my reads?  I've been changing them the entire time, throwing everything up and trying to reassemble them again, and have even been slightly convinced by your answers to the point of not really wanting to vote you today, actually!  I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about me post-game however.

And I never said I was treating today's lynch as an informational lynch.  I was saying we treat each lynch day by day.  If we lose, too bad.  If we win, we analyze things in the light of the new flip.

Day ends in a no lynch if there's no majority however, from what I see.  I'm not sure what to say about your claim but hm, for now I believe you. 

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio

In this case, I'm wondering if people are willing to go for a Dormio lynch instead.  Since Dormio is on everyone's scumlist and people have been suspiciously finding capt.h or me more scummy all of a sudden, which is a favorable position to take for Dormio's scum partner, (especially Zakeri, whose post is all kinds of bad since he doesn't compare between the two), I think Dormio would be the more agreeable lynch.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 11:26:17 PM
@Affinity: Fair enough.

I can pretty much make clear everything that is wrong by motioning up to that post on Rikter. Yes, he addresses and says Rikter is suspicious, There is one thing that makes that move incredibly odd though.

He places you above Dormio. I'd have been utterly fine if it was just placing you at second, that makes sense with the reasons he gives (My claim, You vs. LLD), but he literally wanted to lynch you above Dormio. It kind of makes sense if you take it as a gradual swift from 'Okay just trying to put pressure, still would vote Dormio to actually lynch' but it doesn't actually work that way. All it takes is one waffle onto him and he goes 'Aww yeah lets lynch us some affinity'. It seems incredibly abrupt and honestly he's pretty much actually been pushing Lynching Affinity over Lynching Dormio the entire day. It doesn't help he's not really even said anything about Dormio, preferring to go after you today and ignore him. I'm not exactly sure why this is, so while the captain is here I'll extend if he has an explanation for this.

I find it worse than what Dormio is doing mostly because it simple feels less like something that would actually happen with a town!CaptH. Meanwhile, If you were to ask me if Dormio would be completely and utterly anti-town as town I would be honest to admit that he would in a loving heartbeat. This just seems to be something that clashes with an assumption that 'CaptH is town' more.

@Capt.H: What.

I'm going to be honest in that your claim seems like a really convenient way to explain how you're the dreaming god but didn't mention it earlier. Your arbitrary restraint on being able to roleclaim makes little sense. We can not influence the results of your role in anyway, you claiming dreaming god is not an auto-win button, and if it was giving it such a light restraint is POINTLESS.

I'm not sure what to say about the results either. Day 1 and Today's frankly seem planned. Today's perfectly meshes with a lylo situation and Day 1's would've been game changing any day but. It feels a bit to coincidental you drew them when you did, but It's arguing on a 1/10 and 1/7 or 6 chances and possibilities of happening.

You're also nabbing apart at rolenames and it strikes me as an incredibly pointless thing to do. Affinity could just feel like claiming what their role actually is, rather than the role name. Especially not getting what you're actually asking.

I'm pretty sure I still want you lynched, but I'll wait on your answer.

First off, I asked Affinity to clarify to make sure. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg721462.html#msg721462)

I stand by my roleclaim.  Fairy Tickle (Majokko Tickle), Vanilla Townie.

Second, I think the cards are completely random, and that it was just bad luck that The Watery fell on N0 and coincidence I selected the Illusion on night 3.

Third, I think the restriction is based on Sakuya from Night of the Vampire mafia. PX actually said I wouldn't be able to use my role anymore, but then I asked if that meant I stopped drawing cards and he said no, just that I don't get to pick which ones I use. I actually want to oppose ever using this role restriction again, because it's a huge liability for town in Lylo, especially when it seems likely that there is no "vanilla townie".

The role is really weird. It said I have no idea what the cards do, I have to draw one every single night inclusing N0, and I have to draw every night even after I die. I'm not actually sure why he cares if I claim or not. I'm guessing though, that it's PX's way of implementing new rules every day as opposed to arbitrarily choosing the rules each day. Course, this is all just speculation. All I know is that I must capture 1 card every day no matter what, even after I die.

Still, it explains why we even had a N0.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 26, 2011, 11:29:51 PM
##Unvote
##Vote Chaore


Seriously. :/
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 26, 2011, 11:39:00 PM
Third, I think the restriction is based on Sakuya from Night of the Vampire mafia. PX actually said I wouldn't be able to use my role anymore, but then I asked if that meant I stopped drawing cards and he said no, just that I don't get to pick which ones I use. I actually want to oppose ever using this role restriction again, because it's a huge liability for town in Lylo, especially when it seems likely that there is no "vanilla townie".

I thought you asked what the penalty was, not what he meant by not being able to use your role. If you thought you were able to shut this role down for lylo, you should've claimed the instant the day started. What?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: PX on September 26, 2011, 11:39:56 PM
Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKV195eXg7I)

The Thirtieth Cleaver Votecount!
Chaore (1) - Affinity, Dormio
Capt. h (2) - Lady Lambdadelta, Zakeri
Dormio (1) - Affinity

Not voting: Capt. h, Chaore

Day 3 ends in 2.25 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 26, 2011, 11:42:47 PM
I'm not sure what you mean.

I asked PX what the penalty for claiming was about midway through today, he told me that I wouldn't be able to use the role anymore, I asked him if that meant I stopped capturing cards, and he said no, but the cards would be selected at random.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 26, 2011, 11:47:49 PM
...Okay, it just seemed like a weird disjunction to go 'by the way I also had to ask PX what not using my role anymore meant'. It seemed like it was unnecessary.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 27, 2011, 12:07:22 AM
From what I see, since scum quicklynches aren't happening on the capt.h and Chaore wagons, everything can be split into two boxes. 

Due to the capt.h wagon, only one of Chaore, Dormio and Affinity can be scum. 

Similarly, due to the Chaore wagon, only one of capt.h, Zakeri, and LLD can be scum.  If not the game is already lost. 

Thus I would like everyone to revaluate their scumpicks, if not today, than tomorrow, especially regarding people in their own box; for example, capt.h can no longer take the position that me and Dormio are the scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 27, 2011, 12:10:42 AM
Thus, I've been thinking, no lynch might be a fine idea too, since one of the boxes will definitely only have two players left tomorrow, and we can narrow down on these two people tomorrow into a 50-50. 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 27, 2011, 12:15:07 AM
@Affinity: We're not no lynching. Give me a moment to think over if I'm completely sure LLD and Zakeri are town, I still hold my town reads and if what you've said is true then Capt.H should be scum by those reads and I have no reason not to put my vote on him, as a 3-1-1 is still a majority to lynch Capt. H, I think.

@MOD: A player does not need to be hammered, just hold the majority, correct?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 27, 2011, 12:17:20 AM
To clarify, I don't think No lynching is entirely worth it because I'd rather not have 1 person to screw the whole pooch.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 27, 2011, 12:18:47 AM
Rule 9 states that there must be a majority I think.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 27, 2011, 12:19:52 AM
Of votes, I don't necessarily THINK that means a hammer, though I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 27, 2011, 12:21:25 AM
That was fun, exciting, and informative.
I should have done it earlier.
##Unvote: Capt H.

This actually works to reaffirm the reads I've had this game. Dormio is pretty much a certain lynch thanks to my town read on Affinity and Chaore.
Also, I forgot to try and talk Affinity out of his Chaore case, but it worked out in the end.

This still leaves me with the problem of dealing with LLD and Capt.H.

I'd much prefer we lynch Dormio today, as oppose to no lynching, but that's only because of my theory on what's going to happen tomorrow night remains the same regardless of which option we choose.

Also, Chaore
Quote
⑨ If nobody has a majority of votes at the end of the day, then the day ends in a No Lynch
You'll need to convince Affinity if you still want to lynch Capt. H. I'll go back and reread LLD to make certain as well in case you really want to push for him.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 27, 2011, 12:31:32 AM
An hour to convince Affinity does not sound like enough time and I'd rather not make you make a rushed read through. I'd also REALLY rather not no lynch so we can at least keep our 2 to fuck up ratio for town.

If a Capt. H lynch is off the table then I'll lynch Dormio with no issues. My internet is also sporadically cutting out so I'm just going to throw down my vote now before it decides to cut out for an hour or something and make us no lynch.

##Vote: Dormio
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 27, 2011, 12:39:25 AM
Alright then.
##Vote: Dormio
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 27, 2011, 12:42:41 AM
From what I see, since scum quicklynches aren't happening on the capt.h and Chaore wagons, everything can be split into two boxes. 

Due to the capt.h wagon, only one of Chaore, Dormio and Affinity can be scum. 

Similarly, due to the Chaore wagon, only one of capt.h, Zakeri, and LLD can be scum.  If not the game is already lost. 

Thus I would like everyone to revaluate their scumpicks, if not today, than tomorrow, especially regarding people in their own box; for example, capt.h can no longer take the position that me and Dormio are the scum.

Agreed.

@Chaore - I'm surprised you don't want to lynch Dormio, Chaore, unless you're less than certain about Affinity. I mean, it should be far easier to judge your box since you know your alignment in your box.

I honestly haven't decided about Zak and LLD. They were both town reads for me.

-cut-

Welp Zak, that was fun, informative, and risky as hell. I'm not sure why a townie would do that. Can you explain?

Meh, I don't think Chaore is scum either. I think it was the townie doctor that spoke D2.

I need to do I reread of Affinity. I might be biased because we were attacking eachother so hard.

And Dormio was useless today.

@Zak - You know, time isn't exactly scarse. Can't you just give us some if you don't want to rush?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 27, 2011, 12:43:53 AM
EBWOP: Nevermind Chaore. I started that post before you voted Dormio.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Affinity on September 27, 2011, 12:45:11 AM
I've no qualms about lynching Dormio, I guess.  If Dormio happens to be town, then he only has himself to blame.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: PX on September 27, 2011, 12:54:36 AM
Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q99iNKZAxls)

The Thirtieth First Bat Votecount!
Chaore (1) - Dormio
Capt. h (1) - Lady Lambdadelta, Zakeri
Dormio (3) - Affinity, Chaore, Zakeri

Dormio is at L-1!

Not voting: Capt. h

Day 3 ends in 1 hours.

It requires a majority to lynch.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 27, 2011, 12:56:13 AM
I'm more worried about the game stalling at this point than I am about not having enough time. It feels like it's been stalling since the day began.
If Chaore wanted more time, he's free to ask for it. I'm certain Dormio is scum, in largely due to the fact that he's been pretty much as quiet and as off the radar as possible. Add to the fact that almost no one is trying to directly address him, yet everyone has stated at least a vague suspicion of him, which generally means that scum is willing to bus him, but not pursue him in place of the current lynch targets today. this would either mean both lynches are way, way off, or that Dormio is actually someone's scumbuddy. Possibly both.

We'll have all day tomorrow to discuss the last member of the team.

Also, I will explain if I feel the need to, but for now I'll just leave you to figure it out on your own. I know the answer isn't an obvious one, since this situation will never come up in a normal game of mafia.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 27, 2011, 01:01:53 AM
... sigh.
 
I really don't like how this wagon shifted to Dormio so quickly.
 
But I'm going to live and die by my scum reads. I have a REALLY BAD FEELING about hammering Dormio right now.... god dammit....
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 27, 2011, 01:04:47 AM
Vote: Dormio
 
Besides Dormio/Capt.H, I have 1 other paranoid scum pairing in my head right now. I can't act on it, because it's just so wrong, but if it turns out to be them...
 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 27, 2011, 01:06:42 AM
Oh God. I go to play one game of DotS and what.
All I can say is that I am town and that I am sure that Chaore is scum.

OH GOD HAMMER. WHY.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 27, 2011, 01:07:27 AM
Wait PX just said that it's not a real hammer.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

##Unvote
##Vote chaore
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 27, 2011, 01:10:08 AM
@Zak - If you could explain post game, that would be nice. Because I don't actually know which question that post is referring to.

Anyway, I agree with your point on Dormio. Always on the sidelines, hasn't been in the center since early day 3, wan't there to push his Chaore lynch when Bardiche asked if there were objections to the Hero lynch, and stayed nearly completely clear of today's proceedings offering no opinions in me versus Affinity.

In my reread of Affinity I decided he's the towniest player alive at a glance. I may not like his cases, but he's here and looking for scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 27, 2011, 01:12:54 AM
I can't NOT do this and have a good conscience.
 
Unvote; Vote: Dormio
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: PX on September 27, 2011, 01:13:10 AM
Chaore (1) - Dormio
Capt. h (0) - Lady Lambdadelta
Dormio (4) - Affinity, Chaore, Zakeri, Lady Lambdadelta

Lynch has been reached.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 4!
Post by: PX on September 27, 2011, 01:17:04 AM
And so, everyone surrounded Dormio.

"You have it wrong! It's not me!"

They managed to chase him out of the house, when suddenly he began melting in the sun.

"Well that's strange."

The game is now...

Dormio, playing Masou Shoujo Ayumu Aikawa, Mafia Zombie, has been lynched!

Night 4 starts now. Send in any night actions to me and Pesco. Night 4 ends in 24 hours.

There are 4 Town and 1 Mafia remaining.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Night 4!
Post by: PX on September 27, 2011, 01:48:55 AM
And so everyone watched Dormio melt. And then they noticed something weird.

"Chaore, why aren't you wearing pants?"

After an awkward silence, and a lot of bickering and arguing, they managed to get Chaore to wear a skirt. Unfortunately, his skirt exploded.

Chaore, playing Strike Witch Yoshika Miyafuji (Strike Witches), Townie Doctor, was killed during the night!


It is now Day 5!
Day 5 ends in 72 hours.
With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch.
Town is in Pseudo-Mylo!

A new rule has been added!

3 Townies and 1 Mafia remain alive!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Night 4!
Post by: capt. h on September 27, 2011, 01:50:32 AM
Nobody vote for any reason for the first 48 hours.

The new rule is a doozy.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Night 4!
Post by: Lexicat on September 27, 2011, 01:51:19 AM
Zakeri is scum, BTW.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: capt. h on September 27, 2011, 01:52:15 AM
What makes you say that?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Night 4!
Post by: Chaore on September 27, 2011, 01:52:25 AM
Quote
<Chaore> baaaaaaaaaaa
<Keine-tan> Stop sheeping to me.
<Chaore> I'm not sheeping, I'm making my bah post!
<Keine-tan> ...
<Keine-tan> I hate you.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 27, 2011, 01:53:48 AM
Bastard modding.
This is my bah post.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Affinity on September 27, 2011, 01:54:51 AM
... The new rule is almost unfair.

Why the change, LLD?  What happened to capt.h's Dan interactions?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Lexicat on September 27, 2011, 01:56:29 AM
What makes you say that?

Here's the logic, you ready?
 
I'm confirmed town to myself. (Also, I should be pretty damn town for you guys too.)
 
Affinity is town for the following. The lynch yesterday was gonna be either Chaore (affinity + Dormio votes) OR Capt. H (LLD+ Zakeri votes)
 
If Affinity was scum,  (which would make you town Capt.H) why would he leave his town wagon in MYLO, and start a wagon on a SCUMBAG Dormio, when there was ANOTHER wagon on TOWN (if Affinity was scum in this situation.)
 
It makes no sense. If Affinity was scum with Dormio, this game was OVER.
 
So it's between you and Zak.
 
You claimed DREAMING GOD.
 
Zak claimed.... Homura time stop lynch altering shit?
 
I'm happy with a Zak lynch today.
 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Lexicat on September 27, 2011, 01:59:32 AM
Further, Capt.H scum NOT hammering Dormio for town cred makes NO SENSE. He only NEEDS 1 mislynch, he could have afforded to bus.
 
It makes no sense for him to post in thread and NOT hammer Dormio, as Scum. It just... doesn't.
 
Zakeri had the opportunity to hop on the Dormio wagon (3rd!) and gain massive town cred for today. He knew most people thought he was town already, so wouldn't this bus seal the win, so to speak?
 
Zak is who I want dead today.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 27, 2011, 02:04:30 AM
...What?
I'm scum because of my role? And Capt H can't be because of his role?

When did Capt.H's role prove he was town? You didn't give any inkling that you thought this before the lynch.

Cut: Okay, I'm pretty sure I remember talking Chaore into voting Dormio, so I don't really know where you're getting the baseless wagon hop idea from.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Affinity on September 27, 2011, 02:32:03 AM
Zak, how do you feel about capt.h right now?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Affinity on September 27, 2011, 05:02:09 AM
Out of everyone, Zak's interactions with Dormio yesterday seems to be the most suspicious.  He does bring up original points on both capt.h and Dormio here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg720870.html#msg720870), which is pretty interesting, then ties them up as the ideal scumteam here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg721131.html#msg721131) for rather LLD-like reasons.  This is all well and good, until the fatal flaw for Zakeri comes here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg722108.html#msg722108), where all of a sudden, he votes capt.h through 'process of elimination' without ever addressing how capt.h is scummier than Dormio, putting him to L-2.  He then pretty much forgets about Dormio completely until here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg722272.html#msg722272) where he suddenly turns around and says 'yeah, this tied-up wagon thing actually reaffrims my reads' and goes to Dormio from capt.h, yet again without any frame of comparison.  Combine this with his rather neutral D2 (e.g a tangential approach, pushing the lesser cases and more or less avoiding the Dan wagon completely on D2), and I'm quite willing to lynch him for the above alone. 

FoS: Zakeri

In the mean time, I find capt.h to be somewhat town now after that exchange from yesterday; since he has been more or less proactive throughout the game and pushed for what he believed in (e.g my lynch yesterday) instead of waiting and seeing.  He's not confirmed town by any means due to that disagreeable D2, but I like lynching him the least today.

LLD has very clear stances but little content (which I disagree with) to back them up.  Relies mostly on her protege's early votes on Dan D1/2 as evidence for her towniness, which have... little content to them as well. Stands squarely in the middle as an enigma. 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 27, 2011, 05:32:22 AM
Everyone has a right to pursue a happy life.
The difficult part is to be given that right.
Everyone has a right to pursue a happy life.
The difficult part is to fulfill that right.
I too have a right to pursue a happy life.
The difficult part is to work out a compromise for that right.

~ Frederika Bernkastel

Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PxcQDmUuOo)

The Thirtieth Second Dear You Votecount!

Not voting: Everybody

Day 3 ends in 68.5 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: capt. h on September 27, 2011, 06:28:52 PM
I agree with Affinity's point about Zak. I also find him very suspicious because, at least one of Chaore, Affinity, and Dormio would have had to have been scum. If he had town reads on Affinity and Chaore, a FoS on Dormio, and noticed that the wagon on Chaore hadn't reached lynch over the course of 12 hours, I don't understand why he would risk a second wagon as town and leave Dormio out of his consideration, who was already the only player on the wagon he didn't have a town read on.

Zak's interactions with Dan and Dormio are odd and minimal. I find his 147 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715789.html#msg715789) suspicious, in that he defends Dan's Polaris case without giving a read on Dan. I'd like him to explain why he liked, or at least understood, Dan's Polaris case here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.90.html).

During his day 2 post he avoids the Dan case, focusing on tangental cases as Affinity has pointed out. He starts his day 3 with a promise of Hero, YJ, and Dormio rereads that he doesn't get to until day 4. He says Affinity's attack on my day 2 is unfair while attacking me on my day 2. I also find the shift in his reads on Chaore suspicious. He asks what other players think about Chaore's roleclaim in 608, in 610 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg720870.html#msg720870) he starts to point out things he doesn't like about Chaore, then after LLD and Affinity voice their lack of interest in lynching Chaore, he switches to a town read in 623 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg721121.html#msg721121).

##FoS: Zak

I'm curious why you didn't use your power on day 1 when Bard called you out on it, and there was nearly a no lynch followed by dueling investigative role claims. I also notice that you didn't claim your role name when you claimed Homura, and was curious why you omitted that.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 27, 2011, 11:51:53 PM
LLD's case coming out of no where took me by surprise. it's bad, bad, but I can't tell if it's scummy.
I don't think Capt.H not hammering Dormio when he had the chance is as much of a town tell as LLD is trying to push that it is. At the same time, I don't think scum would take the effort to try and flip her reads backwards in Lylo, so I still have a town read on her.

The part that caused me to think of a Dormio/Capt.H scumteam being the most likely possibility yesterday was, again, his post 179 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg716134.html#msg716134) where he felt the need to comment on Dormio and Dan, along with the two town wagons. I'm still not convinced his explination behind it is the full truth, since there was virtually no case on Dan at the time, and only two votes. The fact that both opinions don't say one way or another if they're town or scum feels like he forced those opinions out just so they'd be there.

The reason I voted Capt.H yesterday was because he was the one I was least certain about. If Capt H was town, I was sort of hoping that the remaining scum would forget about this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg720553.html#msg720553) entirely and quicklynch him. In all honesty, Capt.H wasn't in danger of being lynched.

I've already explained why I didn't use my timestop earlier, and I don't have any better reasoning for it.
And since it matters so much to you, I'm a Townie Time Traveler.

I agreed with Dan's case on Polaris because, well, I thought Polaris's actions that day were bad. His jokevote post really did look like he had more reasons than he let on to vote HW, and he basically just called Dan scum because That's what he Dan claimed to see. Polaris basically looked like he was spouting bullshit. Polaris was also my top pick for the consolidation lynch (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg715962.html#msg715962).

my 610 was just me solidifying my reads. Even if everyone had put stock into the Chaore lynch, I still would have read his day 2 to be very much like it would if he was the doctor. I suppose I can't really prove that's how it would have happened.

Also, I checked back on the wagons yesterday, and serious, look at this post. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg722272.html#msg722272) If I was scum, then Capt.H would be the mislynch needed to win, right? At this point, LLD was voting Capt H, I was voting Capt H, Choare was about to vote Capt H with the slim hope of convincing Affinity to hammer. Since Dormio was scum, if Chaore had voted, Dormio would have hammered, and the game would be over. Why would Scum!me try to switch the wagon over to Dormio? For town cred? The game would have been over.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Affinity on September 28, 2011, 01:14:41 AM
While the justification for your capt.h vote seems okay at first glance due to your role, it doesn't hold up.  Firstly, even though Bardiche had been informed of a Akemi Homerun in this game, you had absolutely no reason to claim that role yesterday if you planned to goad scum into quicklynching a townie in the first place and reset the day.  Secondly, from what I see, Bardiche only knew that you had a time stop and not the reset, so also had no reason to claim the latter either.  Trying to hope that scum will forget your role is a little silly in my opinion.

As for the 'if I was scum' thing, the main event regarding you yesterday was not your unvote of capt.h, but rather, your vote of capt.h over Dormio in the first place, which was not explained.  Why capt.h over Dormio?  If you were more sure about Dormio being scum, you should have voted him.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Lexicat on September 28, 2011, 01:19:22 AM
Ok cool, I've seen enough reactions to do this.
 
I'm POSITIVE Zakeri is scum, and that Capt.H is the only other option. Affinity's posting makes him ultra town.
 
I am a Townie 1-Shot Day Vig. Unfortunately, when I shoot, it ends the day.
 
I'm going to TAKE FATE INTO MY OWN HANDS and END THIS GAME.
 
Obliterate: Zakeri
 
If Zak's town, good game scum team, but I'm certain he's scum.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 28, 2011, 01:26:12 AM
<1> This is a game. I hope that you have fun. In return, I ask that you not have your fun at the expense of the other players in this game (in other words, don't be a jackass). Repeated or extreme violations of this rule will result in replacement or modkill.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 28, 2011, 01:27:36 AM
Umm, Let me try this again.
I submitted my reset command in PM. It only works when I PM the Mod, and when I no longer want it activated, I can PM again to have it deactivated before the day ends.

yeah, I admit I botched up when I claimed my whole role in thread, but I had submited the reset at the same time I voted Capt.H. If Capt.H was lynched before I came back, the deadline would have reset and all the votes would have been removed. Not only that, but whoever quicklynched would have been stuck sitting there with egg on their face. If no one quicklynched, then like it was pointed out yesterday, Scum would have been one of Myself, Capt.H, or LLD.

That's the reason why I voted Capt.H. It wasn't because I thought he was more scummy than Dormio. It was, in fact, mostly the opposite - that I was less certain. It was also partly because he was the only one I could set up for the quicklynch. My role allowed me to set up dual wagons in Lylo with almost no repercussions.

Well, I guess some repercussions, because now I look scum as hell until I can prove my role.

Oh wow, well, nevermind then. I guess I just lost town the game.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Affinity on September 28, 2011, 02:05:16 AM
@mod: Has the game ended?  Was LLD's vig real?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 28, 2011, 02:09:23 AM
Game is still going. ~48 hours until deadline.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Lexicat on September 28, 2011, 03:07:01 AM
@mod: Has the game ended?  Was LLD's vig real?

Of course it wasn't real.
 
But... you bothered to ask?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: capt. h on September 28, 2011, 03:38:55 AM
Very surprised to see Affinity telling Zak he should have lied during the mass-claim.

I notice that Zak is a lot more specific about his role than he was when he first claimed, which I find kind of suspicious or at least odd.

I also have a power called Reset. I can send in the PM whenever I want, and when the day ends either due to deadline or lynch, instead of going to the next night phase, it goes back to the current day phase. I wasn't told exactly what would happen if I used the power.

I want to confirm the reason you seem to have a much more detailed description of your claim now than you did then.

In addition, who do you want to lynch today?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Affinity on September 28, 2011, 03:47:17 AM
Zak should have lied if he wanted to carry out the quicklynch bait gambit, capt.h.  Not lying makes it too ineffective for me to believe him.

As for fakevigs, PX's sudden and somewhat uncalled for posting of his rules seemed pretty weird.  Was just checking.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: capt. h on September 28, 2011, 03:55:42 AM
Zak should have lied if he wanted to carry out the quicklynch bait gambit, capt.h.  Not lying makes it too ineffective for me to believe him.

As for fakevigs, PX's sudden and somewhat uncalled for posting of his rules seemed pretty weird.  Was just checking.

Interesting.

Truth be told, I still have a nagging suspicion of you, and it banks on whether you as scum would take the bait Zak offered or if you would be wary of it and superbus Dormio for the "safe" win. Since your outright telling me that Zak's roleclaim was too ineffective to work as a gambit, then I'd assume you wouldn't fall for it, which makes the "2 boxes" dichotemy you were pushing yesterday false.

I still think Zak is the scummiest player here, but I don't think we should leave stones unturned.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Affinity on September 28, 2011, 04:08:40 AM
Yeah, on second thought, it seems that the 'box' thing is really ineffective now due to Zak's roleclaim.  Come to think of it, that makes Zakeri's 'reset' roleclaim tremendously anti-town in a way, since what should have been a closed rooms has been opened by this public information.  This is even considering Bardiche who revealed that he only knew that Homura had the 'time stop' ability, not the reset one.  To be honest, I'm not so sure who else I could have the heart to lynch today in view of this.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Lexicat on September 28, 2011, 06:28:18 PM
If we lynch Zakeri, couldn't we use his Delay night akipping power to give us another lynch if he's town?
 
If he's scum, he's lying about it ANYWAY. But if he's town this is perfect.
 
In any case, I can't see myself voting anyone else today.
 
Vote: Zakeri
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 28, 2011, 06:48:02 PM
"Objection!"

Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuhuRMv88WE)

The Thirty Third Overruled Votecount!
Zakeri (1) - Lady Lambdadelta

Not voting: Everybody else

Day 5 ends in 43 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 28, 2011, 08:50:01 PM
Previous votecount timer is wrong.

Day 5 ends in 29 hours
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 28, 2011, 09:05:31 PM
well, My role says the day resets, so either the person doesn't get lynched, and day restarts, working as some sort of psuedo-governor shot, or the lynch actually does go through and we get two lynches. the second one didn't actually even occur to me, but if it's true, it'd be a lot more helpful than I previously thought.

I've sent it in, now, so since we're going to be testing my role anyway, go ahead. I have mod confirmation that it works on myself.

##FoS: Capt H since these might be my last words. My town read on Affinity and LLD have grown stronger since the day's progressed.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Affinity on September 28, 2011, 11:18:21 PM
I guess it will at the very least give us something.  Might as well take the out if Zak is really town.

##Vote: Zakeri
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: capt. h on September 28, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
Welp, the biggest thing that bothers me about Zak today, concerning his role, is that it seems like he's updating it as he goes along and I find that scummy as heck. Since he claims the day will reset when we lynch him anyway this seems like a good time to test his claims. It also looks like he's pretty much given up, which is bad. Giving up isn't necessarily scummy (and nothing compared to updating your role claim with new information in every post), but I don't like to see it.

I'm guessing that LLD and Affinity are done talking for the day. If Zak's telling the truth then same rules as today - no voting for the first 48 hours.

##Vote: Zakari
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 29, 2011, 01:00:43 AM
Lynch has been reached.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 29, 2011, 01:00:56 AM
And thus everyone once again...

And so everyone watched Dormio melt. And then they noticed something weird.

"Chaore, why aren't you wearing pants?"

After an awkward silence, and a lot of bickering and arguing, they managed to get Chaore to wear a skirt. Unfortunately, his skirt exploded.

Chaore, playing Strike Witch Yoshika Miyafuji (Strike Witches), Townie Doctor, was killed during the night!


It is now Day 5!
Day 5 ends in 72 hours.
With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch.
Town is in Pseudo-Mylo!

A new rule has been added!

3 Townies and 1 Mafia remain alive!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 29, 2011, 01:01:41 AM
Everyone has a right to pursue a happy life.
The difficult part is to be given that right.
Everyone has a right to pursue a happy life.
The difficult part is to fulfill that right.
I too have a right to pursue a happy life.
The difficult part is to work out a compromise for that right.

~ Frederika Bernkastel

Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PxcQDmUuOo)

The Thirty Second Dear You Votecount!

Not voting: Everybody

Day 5 ends in 72 hours.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2011, 01:07:59 AM
Quote
<Chaore> baaaaa- wait a moment
<Keine-tan> What? And stop sheeping to me.
<Chaore> This has happened before. KEINE. WE'RE IN A TIME WARP.
<Chaore> GET THE DELOREAN, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE FUTURE.
<Keine-tan> ...
<Keine-tan> Still hate you.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Lexicat on September 29, 2011, 01:13:37 AM
... there was no flip.
 
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Lexicat on September 29, 2011, 01:16:43 AM
Fuck it, I'm lynching Zakeri.
 
Vote: Zakeri
 
Yes I know I can't unvote again. I'm not seeing myself voting anyone else right now.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 29, 2011, 01:38:11 AM
"Zakeri was lynched, he was the Townie Time Traveler"
Fuck you, PX. Apparently, I'm the only one who gets to witness the day end flip.

I don't like how Capt.H Is trying to push the "Updating role information" point. I don't think I've ever claimed anything other than that my reset power would reset the day. I did say that Capt.H probably wouldn't have been lynched, but that was just a guess based on how the ability was suppose to work. I didn't think I'd actually get the flip, or else I would have claimed day 2.
Edit: And mega fuck. Would it be possible to ask for a no lynch?

Ahh forget it. Vote: Capt.H I don't care about this game anymore.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Lexicat on September 29, 2011, 01:52:22 AM
Look, I've resigned myself to the fact that if it is Capt.H, then I managed to talk myself out of the lynch based upon pure paranoia and that I need to sleep for a long long time.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 29, 2011, 01:53:21 AM
Zakeri has been modkilled for breaking Rule 4. Game is over, Town wins.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 29, 2011, 01:54:47 AM
QQ now. Set up coming up when I bother soon.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Lexicat on September 29, 2011, 01:56:38 AM
Well... that was gonna happen either way.
 
... did I just go 3/3?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: J.O.B on September 29, 2011, 01:57:39 AM
Um. That was an interesting end.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: capt. h on September 29, 2011, 01:58:05 AM
I don't think it counts as 3/3 when you hound a townie for 2 days first, then switch to Dormio just to avoid a no lynch.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 29, 2011, 01:58:39 AM
I was just joking when I pointed that out in the dead QT!

Obviously I vigged Zak from beyond the grave.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: capt. h on September 29, 2011, 01:59:05 AM
Also: REPLACEMENTS WIN!

Not a single surviving player actually signed up for this game.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Schezo on September 29, 2011, 01:59:52 AM
...Which is why there needs to be a break now.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Lexicat on September 29, 2011, 02:00:42 AM
Dormio was never a "avoid NL" lynch Capt.H. I had him as a scum read right along side of you.
 
So thank you very much.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 29, 2011, 02:01:11 AM
Didn't we just have a Mafia break a few games ago, Schezo?

I'm totally ready for Serela's game.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: capt. h on September 29, 2011, 02:04:22 AM
@Affinity - You misunderstood my rant because I misphrased it. I was annoyed at LLD for being stubborn and refusing to change her reads.

There is nothing more difficult to deal with than LLD thinking you are scum. You can't exactly argue with her because she almost gives you nothing to argue with, and the last thing I want to do is make the case for her so that I can point out all the issues I have with it, since that would be pointing out all my problems to town for her.

Anyway, my main concern with your play is that I'm not sure you were targetting players for things that were scummy. Especially that last exchange with Zak.

I'll post what I was going to put up today if we had gotten a flip (I cut it out of the post I was going to make):

Quote
Since if Zak's telling the truth there's another day and if he's lying then we win anyway, I'm suspicious of Affinity as well. Not as suspicious, but suspicious.

He switches his vote in 677 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg722228.html#msg722228) not because he thinks Dormio's scummier than Chaore, but because he thinks Dormio's lynch is more agreeable. Then in his next post, he creates the 2 box scenario, indicating that only one player in each "box" can be scum. If he only thought one of Dormio, himself, and Chaore could be scum, then it bothers me that he dropped Chaore who he thought was more likely to be scum for someone he found more "agreeable". The attitude especially bothers me here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg722292.html#msg722292)

Now, if Affinity didn't see through Zak's play, like I didn't, then he isn't scum because he would have gone for the win. But today he's blaming Zak for being too informative with his roleclaim during the mass claim. Which means he, as scum, would not have fallen for the trap, making the box dichotemy useless and in fact harmful: If he were scum he could claim if Dormio's scum he isn't, lynch Dormio, and then ride out LyLo. Furthermore, I'm not even sure how he's claiming giving too much information about your role is scummy: Are you saying you think Zak is scummy for being too truthful about his role? Do you think he's town that did something bad or do you think he's scum? Because I'm having a hard time understanding the argument you are making about his roleclaim being too informative.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Affinity on September 29, 2011, 02:08:47 AM
Uhh, well, if Zak wanted (as he said) to reset a day in the act of catching scum trying to quicklynch, he should not have revealed his ability to reset because it prevents scum from actually quicklynching!  Town would not do that!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2011, 02:12:05 AM
Oh that's interesting.

I have to apologize to town for my D4 play. I just... kinda lost any steam.

In apology, Have Chaore Being A Dumbass Again: The QT.

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/bg7D6TXJmMW
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: capt. h on September 29, 2011, 02:15:50 AM
My main concern with LLD is that she tends to get false positives on me. And being suspected by LLD is simply not very fun, and it happens to me a lot. Probably more than half the games I've played with her she's suspected I was scum, and while I wouldn't mind so much if she gave me something to argue with I'm kind of forced to deal with simply having no "argument" to counter. It's very effective, but it's also demotivating when it misses. Otherwise I think she's a pretty good player.

Ironically, Zak might have been the towniest player this game. He just made a mistake in Mylo.

@Affinity - I'm not sure I agree. From a personal standpoint, revealing my role in entirety sounds like the best option. I might attempt something interesting later in the day, but I would not have necessarily planned it out, and I would not consider lying during mass claim even if it ment reducing the odds of a gambit working.

I would lie in mass claim if my role insisted that I must claim vanilla townie though and I didn't know that breaking my post restriction would not result in a mod kill.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: J.O.B on September 29, 2011, 02:17:19 AM
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/bg7D6TXJmMW
Well, Keine thought you should be nice to me :colbert:
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Polaris on September 29, 2011, 02:18:56 AM
I'm glad I died on Night 1. :derp: I got to expose scum and make a clean exit from the game! Two birds with one stone.

In other news, those early Day 1 clears I gave to like half the game were almost right. Darn it Shadoweh why did you have to be a serial killer. :C
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2011, 02:21:57 AM
Well, Keine thought you should be nice to me :colbert:

Keine is also a hallucination of my mind created by overdosing on LSD and Alcohol to try and become a mix of LLD and Shadoweh.

She also hates me.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Schezo on September 29, 2011, 02:22:48 AM
Quote
I swear to God if you lie as town again I am going to bust a cap. >:|

3rd time's gotta be a charm right? :ohdear:
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Lexicat on September 29, 2011, 02:24:23 AM
Keine is also a hallucination of my mind created by overdosing on LSD and Alcohol to try and become a mix of LLD and Shadoweh.

She also hates me.

This is interesting.
 
What exactly is a mix of me and Shadoweh, and why did you want to obtain it?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: J.O.B on September 29, 2011, 02:25:28 AM
Keine is also a hallucination of my mind created by overdosing on LSD and Alcohol to try and become a mix of LLD and Shadoweh.

She also hates me.
She hates me too but at least she has some sense.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Serela on September 29, 2011, 02:25:57 AM
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/A2PmYdk8ii72C gravuyardo
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 29, 2011, 02:26:59 AM
Bastard modding.

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/j99P4dnCbt8 Dormio correctly guesses that his role PM is lying to him before he confirms in thread.

Scum had bad luck this game, I think.
Losing Dan was a big blow, and Dan choosing to tie himself to me on D1 was so orz.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2011, 02:35:55 AM
This is interesting.
 
What exactly is a mix of me and Shadoweh, and why did you want to obtain it?

Basically I wanted to try and find some balance between 'wanting everyone lynching me' and 'seeming too townie to actually get lynched.

So basically, Act crazy like an LLD and act townie like Shadoweh before she started being scum.

I dunno, did it work?

She hates me too but at least she has some sense.

To be honest? I wasn't even really being mean to you. Frankly if you were bothered enough to replace out, Stop playing mafia.

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<Chaore> @8ball You agree with me, right Keine?
<Keine-tan> Definitely.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: J.O.B on September 29, 2011, 02:38:08 AM
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[12:43] <JOB> @8ball Do you think Chaore should play nice with me?
[12:43] <Keine-tan> Of course.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: UncertainJakutten on September 29, 2011, 02:47:07 AM
My main concern with LLD is that she tends to get false positives on me. And being suspected by LLD is simply not very fun, and it happens to me a lot. Probably more than half the games I've played with her she's suspected I was scum, and while I wouldn't mind so much if she gave me something to argue with I'm kind of forced to deal with simply having no "argument" to counter. It's very effective, but it's also demotivating when it misses. Otherwise I think she's a pretty good player.

Ironically, Zak might have been the towniest player this game. He just made a mistake in Mylo.

@Affinity - I'm not sure I agree. From a personal standpoint, revealing my role in entirety sounds like the best option. I might attempt something interesting later in the day, but I would not have necessarily planned it out, and I would not consider lying during mass claim even if it ment reducing the odds of a gambit working.

I would lie in mass claim if my role insisted that I must claim vanilla townie though and I didn't know that breaking my post restriction would not result in a mod kill.

You screw up my scumdar too. You're too...sterile :P. I'm starting to get the hang of you though. I actually thought you were town this game before finding out you were town! I of course immediately figured you must be scum if I thought you were town, but PROGRESS =D

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: capt. h on September 29, 2011, 02:51:00 AM
What do you mean by "sterile"?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 29, 2011, 03:13:38 AM
What do you mean breaking rule 4?
Did I forget to add a clause that I was paraphrasing? Because it was pretty obvious that the way I phrased the lynch thing was different from the way the lynches were phrased. I wasn't pretending to quote it at all. I swear.
Dammit.

Oh well, now that it's all over, I might as well admit that, yes, I did push for the Capt.H vote for solely scummy reasons. I still have no idea why I convinced Chaore to switch to a Dormio lynch. I just had the post typed up, saw that Chaore was going to vote that way, and then hit submit anyway.
I claim Town MVP Award for being the only person to catch scum without role shenanigans. Including myself with the accidental modkill :V

Edit: I saw the Graveyard now, GDDMMT HW, It's not polite to vig people from the grave! PX could have at least asked and I would have clearified.

Double Edit: UK Stole my old Avatar D:

Triple Edit: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/3uqMEQZijZ8FE
Personally, I prefer "Lying Coldly"
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 29, 2011, 03:19:39 AM
I was joking. >: I didn't expect PX to take me seriously.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Schezo on September 29, 2011, 03:20:58 AM
Double Edit: UK Stole my old Avatar D:

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I assure you it wasn't her. >.>;

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: UncertainJakutten on September 29, 2011, 03:22:54 AM
What do you mean by "sterile"?

It's hard to explain. You don't feel like you have passion, or really care about the game. You try to logic it out and it's not a logical game. Scum LOVE hiding behind logic, it gets townies lynched. And most people aren't logical. So, I usually read scum on you. I've learned to look more at your trying tells instead.

@Zakeri: Schezo did it.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Hanged Hourai on September 29, 2011, 03:25:50 AM
This is completely off topic, but watching the game, I kin:Da has a question that I'm much too lazy to wa:De through 26 pages to answer myself. Was LL:D assigne:D to YJ as a mentor before the game, or :During?
aaaaaaaa Zak died twice
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 29, 2011, 03:26:11 AM
Scum team

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Sigh, you only wish to be a normal girl. Instead you became a pawn for an alien princess, you have to fight magical girls, you no longer have time for regular stuff, and now you find yourself in this weird world with the responsibility of defending it.

Well no more. You've had enough, and have decided to turn on Tsunami. You will defeat her agents. And you have found a partner. Maybe another one as well.


Welcome ActionDan to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Pretty Sammy Sasami Kawai (Magical Girl Pretty Sammy). You have sworn to defeat the enemy Magical Girls, and you have a partner in Akemi Homura (Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magika), played by Zakeri.

You are the Mafia Roleblocker Godmother. You may talk to Zakeri during the confirmation phase and night phase in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/3uqMEQZijZ8FE). You can discuss the night kill, but you will send in all night kills while you are alive.

You also have the following abilities in addition to traditional Mafia abilities:
One Shot 【Pretty Coquettish Bomber】 - One time only, you may choose to write a message in place of the Mod. Send Pesco and I a PM with your message (and a date if you wish), and I will post the message at the earliest possible (or at the date you specified) in my name in the thread. The restrictions on this ability are 1) The message must be 200 words or less, 2) you cannot use this post to make a personal insult, and 3) this message will have no lasting effect on the game state.
Active 【Pretty Face】 - Each night, you can target someone with your Pretty Face attack, causing them to be confused and forget whatever they were doing on the night phase. You are able to use this ability and your Factional Night Kill during the same Night Phase.
Passive 【Pretty Dynamite】 - Your face is so cute that anybody who checks up on you at night just can't possibly believe you are part of the Mafia!
Passive 【Pretty Home Run】 - Your magical baton is filled with magical energy, allowing you to deflect and cancel any normal attempts at your life during the Night Phase.

Your kill method is "Blasting off." You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnotes
If Rolecopped, comes up Roleblocker
Comes up town to NeoSerela cop investigations

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Magical girls. Witches. Destined to always fight against each other. But you don't care about any of that. You just want to save Madoka.

The problem is that you can't find her in this weird world. However, you have found someone who has said she can help you find her. You just have to get rid of everyone else first.


Welcome Zakeri to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Puella Magi Akemi Homura (Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica). You have teamed up with Sasami Kawai (Magical Girl Pretty Sammy), played by ActionDan to eliminate all enemies in order to find Madoka. And according to her, there may be another one willing to help.

You are the Mafia Time Traveler. You may talk to ActionDan during the confirmation phase and night phase in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/3uqMEQZijZ8FE). You can discuss the night kill, but the Godmother will send in all night kills while she is alive.

You also have the following abilities in addition to traditional Mafia abilities:
One Shot 【Time Freeze】 - One time only, by either posting in the thread or PMing "##Time Freeze" to Pesco and I, during the day, you can freeze time for 12 real life hours, causing all votes to be unable to move, all day actions unable to be activated, and allowing the Mafia team to talk in the quicktopic during the duration of the ability. This ability is active the instant you post or send the PM.
One Shot 【Rewind】 - One time only, during the day, you can activate this ability by PMing "##Rewind" to Pesco and I to rewind time to the beginning of the day once a lynch has been reached. The Mafia team will learn the alignment and the role of the person who was supposed to be lynched.

Your kill method is "Explosion." You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnotes
If Rolecopped, comes up Time Traveling Witch

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Guess this is the best my life will ever be. You just left the convenience store, but you found this pretty cute girl. It seems you have managed to impress her, and now you're just walking off into the night....

And managed to somehow wander into this weird world. How did this happen, you're just an ordinary guy! Well, it seems like there are plenty of cute girls around, and one in particular seems to be inviting you somewhere. Maybe you'll check it out later.


Welcome Dormio to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Masou Shojo Ayumu Aikawa (Kore Wa Zombie Desu Ka?). Your life is just pathetic, but you'll just see what you can do in this game. And if worst comes to worst, you can always join that girl.

You are Useless Villager. As far as you know, you have no special abilities.

You win when all other factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnotes
Became vanilla mafia goon if alive on D3
If he was killed (not lynched) before D3, became mafia one shot strongman
If both scum were dead by N2, became mafia one shot strongman one shot bulletproof
If Rolecopped as Town, comes up Vanilla
If Rolecopped as Mafia, comes up Zombie Witch

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"I'm... dead... right? That sword definitely went through my heart, so why am I.... Are you the one who revived me? Hey, did I meet you at the convenience store? I am very grateful to you."

...It seems like that memory was a long time ago. And now it seems you've decided to join the girl, who has also found another one. If only to help you get back to your house and protect the girl who gave you another chance at life.


You have been revived, Dormio, and separated from your savior. You have decided to accept the offer earlier, in order to go back to your savior and protect her. You are Masou Shoujo Ayumu Aikawa (Kore Wa Zombie Desu Ka?). You are teamed with Sasami Kawai (Magical Girl Pretty Sammy), played by ActionDan, and Akemi Homura (Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica), played by Zakeri.

You are the Mafia Zombie. You may talk with ActionDan and Zakeri during the night phase in this quicktopic. You may discuss the night kill, but the Godmother will send in all night kills while she is alive.

You have the following abilities in addition to traditional Mafia abilities:
One Shot 【Mystletainn Kick】 - One time only, during the night phase, you can send in this order to make the Mafia Night Kill kill the target even if they are bulletproof or targeted by a doctor protect.

Your kill method is "Chainsaw". You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

Third Party
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It seems like you're not the only one collecting Jewel Seeds in this weird world. However, you must collect them all for Mother. You don't care who gets in your way, you can just eliminate them all.

However, your power is very weak right now, but it appears that you're growing powerful at an astounding rate. It seems like you'll become unstoppable very soon.


Welcome Shadoweh to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Magical Girl Fate Testarossa (Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha). You are on a mission to collect Jewel Seeds for Mother, and nobody is going stop you from accomplishing that goal. Even if you have to kill them all. Which you will! However, it seems your powers have faded, but they're slowly returning.

You may talk to the moderators using this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/ktxRDaM4aBx).

You are a Neutral Serial Killer! You have the following abilities:
One shot 【Bardiche: Defenser】 - One time only, during the Night Phase, you can use this ability to have Bardiche watch over you while you sleep. When you wake up, he will tell you who visited your bed while you were sleeping. Better watch out for those pedophiles. This ability becomes usable starting Night 1.
One Shot 【Lightning Bind】 - One time only, during the Night Phase, you can prevent someone from moving during the night. This ability becomes usable starting Night 2.
Active 【Bardiche: Photon Lancer】 - During the Night Phase, you can set Bardiche to battle mode and finish off one of your enemies. This ability becomes usable starting Night 3.
Passive 【Bardiche: Barrier Jacket】 - One time only, during the Night Phase, Bardiche will defend you from one attempt at your life. This ability becomes usable starting Night 3.
Passive 【Bardiche: Sprite Zanber】 - Bardiche enters Zanber mode and gains the power to break through any force fields that attempt to thwart your attacks on your target. This ability becomes usable starting Night 4.
Passive 【Bardiche: Sonic Drive】 - Bardiche upgrades the Barrier Jacket into Sonic Form, allowing you to beat anybody during the night phase that attempts to do anything with you. This ability becomes usable starting Night 5.
One Shot 【Bardiche: Riot Zanber Calamity】 - Bardiche upgrades to his ultimate form, unleashing his ultimate attack that will destroy all your enemies. This ability becomes usable starting Night 6.

Your kill method is "Shot." You win when all other players are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnotes
If Rolecopped, comes up Serial Killer
Comes up Serial Killer to NeoSerela cop investigations

Town
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"How dare they! It's not my fault I screw up ever Lylo I'm in. I just woke up, otherwise I would have realized.... They didn't have to lynch me from RPG. They have gone too far! I will...

Wait a minute. Where the hell am I? What is this weird ferret thingy? Who are these weird people?! And why am I dressed up like Sailor Moon???????"


Welcome NeoSerela to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Sailor Moon Cosplayer NeoSerela (MotK). You are utterly confused on where you are or how you got here, but it seems like people are trying to kill you. And so you guess you'll just play along and hope to not die. However, it seems like your mafia skills might help you in this situation!

You are a Townie Wagon Cop. You have the following abilities:
Active 【Moon Tiara Magic】 - Each night, you can target someone who was voting for you at the end of the day and learn the alignment of that person.

You win when all other factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnotes
If Rolecopped, comes up Wagon Cop

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"Ah, this must be heaven."

You have collected all the Clow Cards, you have defended the world from their powers using their powers, and best of all, your crush Yukito seems to be friendlier to you than ever before! There is no way things can get better!

"Wait, where am I? Yukito? Kero?. Wait, you're not Kero!"

It seems you have been transported to a weird world. Instead of Kero, there's this white ferret. Oh, and it seems the Clow Cards have been scattered throughout the world, so you have to start hunting for them again. Oh boy....


Welcome J.O.B to Magical Madness Mafia. You are CardCaptor Sakura Kinomoto (Cardcaptor Sakura). You were enjoying a nice day at the beach when suddenly you appeared here. And you have to capture the Clow Cards again. This is going to take a while, so you might as well start now.

You are a Townie CardCaptor. You have the following abilities:
Active 【Dreams of Reality】 - Each Night Phase, regardless if you are alive or dead, and Confirmation Phase (Night 0), you MUST choose to capture one of the ten following cards, one time use each, and PM the choice to Pesco and I. You're not sure what each card does, but you have to get them to protect everyone.

The cards are as followed: The Thunder, The Mirror, The Dark, The Erase, The Jump, The Shield, The Watery, The Windy, The Wood, The Illusion

However, since you are embarrassed about your friends knowing about your nightly activities, you can only claim Vanilla Townie.

You win when all other factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread and PM a card to Pesco and I.
-Modnotes
Ability 【The Thunder】: Nobody can unvote (Lasts 1 day)
Ability 【The Mirror】: The person with the second most votes is lynched along with the person with the most votes. No lynch cannot occur. If a tie for second most, then both die. (Lasts 1 day)
Ability 【The Dark】: Nobody can make a post with more than 160 characters (Spaces do count) (Lasts 1 day)
Ability 【The Erase】: Nobody can make a post with less than 200 characters (spaces do not count) (Lasts 1 day)
Ability 【The Jump】: Instead of voting to lynch, you vote for a king. Whoever gets a majority vote for king chooses who gets lynched (Lasts 1 day)
Ability 【The Shield】: Everybody gets a post restriction (Joke ones of course :3) (Lasts 1 day) (Hidden Rule)
Ability 【The Watery】: Dead people can post during the day (Lasts 1 day)
Ability 【The Windy】: Scum can communicate with each other at any time (Stays forever) (Hidden Rule)
Ability 【The Wood】: The next person who dies has a janitor'd flip (Lasts until next death) (Hidden Rule)
Ability 【The Illusion】: Number of Townies and scum alive is forever revealed (Stays forever)
If Rolecopped, comes up Vanilla

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"Nyaa?"

This looks like a fun new world. You have plenty of people here to make friends with. However, it looks like some bad guys have also come to this world, but you have the power to smell out the evil witches! And maybe you can find some tuna when this is done.


Welcome Hero999 to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Mew Mew Ichigo Momomiya (Tokyo Mew Mew). It seems like you can make plenty of friends, but you first have to smell out the bad guys!

You are a Townie Role Cop. You have the following abilities:
Active 【Mew Search】 - Each night, you can identify someone using your acute sense of smell. You will learn the person's identity, point of origin, and role name. For example, role copping yourself would get the result "Ichigo Momomiya (Tokyo Mew Mew), Role Cop."

You win when all other factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnotes
Hidden Truecop, Millers and Non-investigation immune Scum turned up Witches

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"Onii-chan.... I love you onii-chan.... Now kiss me Shirou onii-cha...."

You have woken up find yourself in a weird world, surrounded by unknown people. Thankfully, nobody was there to see your weird dreams. However, there's this... it's so cute!!!!!!!!! However, it seems that the only way to see Onii-chan again is to win this little game. You have Ruby with you, but not Miyu. You wish you had some help, but this time it's up to you to save everyone!


Welcome huh what to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Prisma Illyasviel von Einzbern (Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya). You just want to end this game as fast as possible to see Shirou onii-chan again, but you might as well have some fun while doing it. Using the power of Ruby, you think you can speed it up a bit.

You are Townie Jack of all Vigs. You have the following abilities:
Active 【Install】 - During the Night Phase, you can use the following One Shot Abilities to Night Kill someone during the night. However, using a skill will cause you to recharge your magical energy, so you are unable to perform any abilities until the end of the next Night Phase.
The One Shot abilities are as follows: Gae Bolg, Excalibur, Bellerophon, Tsubame Gaeshi
One Shot 【Nine Lives】 - During any Day, except the day after you use an ability, you can use this ability to kill one person regardless of bulletproof by posting "##Nine Lives: Target" in the thread. However, you will use up all your magical energy and be unable to perform any night actions for the rest of the game. This ability resolves instantly.

You win when all other factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnotes
If Rolecopped, comes up Jack of all Vigs

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This might be a blessing in disguise. You have always admired Kyou Wakamiya, but Mayura seems to be the only one who catches his attention. The rest of the school keeps making fun of you, and bullying you as well.

However, you have met Nyozeka, and you have gained the ability to see into others hearts. And now you find yourself in this different world, and you hope to gain a little self confidence to confess to Kyou and stand up for yourself.


Welcome Polaris to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Neo-Master Alice Seno (Alice 19th). You found yourself in this weird world surrounded by strangers, but this might be a good opportunity to gain self confidence and help others.

You are Townie Hider. You have the following abilities:
Active 【Na Sadaru Lotis Raan】 - Every Night Phase, you may look into the heart of another player, rendering you unable to be affected by any actions taken during the night. However, the heart of the evil may be too great and cause you to die inside their heart. Additionally, should the person who you are inside die, you will instead sacrifice yourself to save them. In any case, should you die while using this ability, Nyozeka will inform the rest of the players who you were hiding with when you died.

You win when all other factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnotes
If Rolecopped, comes up Hider

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But now you're free from that, and you're in a new world. You have no idea why, but this might be a better life than what happened previously.


Welcome Bardiche to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Magical Moerin Moeyama (Magical Moerin). You were just [REDACTED] [REDACTED], but it seems like you can do better in this new world. At least that guy in the corner gave you some information after you [REDACTED] [REDACTED] him.

You are a Non-Magical Townie. You have the following abilities:
Passive 【Inside Information】 - It seems like you have been informed that Akemi Homura has the ability to Stop Time.

You win when all other factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnote
Actually Non-magical Vanilla Townie (>_<)
If Rolecopped, comes up Non-Magical Vanilla

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"Father's last wish...."

Your father has passed away, but he left behind one item to fulfill his wish of peace. Now, you have donned the Striker Unit your father created in order to fulfill his last wish, along with the rest of the Strike Witches.

Now you find yourself in this weird world, and you will carry your father's wish here to bring peace to as many as possible, using your power to help.


Welcome Chaore to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Strike Witch Yoshika Miyafuji (Strike Witches). You have decided to try to obtain peace for as many as you can, no matter where you may be.

You are a Townie Healer. You have the following abilities:
Active 【Heal】 - Every Night Phase, you may target someone and prevent that person from dying should she be targeted for a kill. However, you cannot heal yourself as you would die before you can heal.

You win when all other factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnotes
If Rolecopped, comes up Doctor

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Finally, you have been freed from the book. You enjoy tricks, and you avoid trouble by changing around people's memories.

It seems like this world is definitely different from your home world, but it makes no matter as long as you can have fun. And it seems your powers can help you in the situation you find yourself.


Welcome RIKTER to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Fairy Tickle (Majokko Tickle). Fate has let you out of that book, and you want to have some fun while you can.

You are a Townie Memory Changer. You have the following abilities:
Passive 【Maharu Tamara Furanpa】 - If you should ever be lynched, you will change everyone's memory and cause them to forget they ever voted you in the first place.

You win when all other factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnotes
If Rolecopped, comes up Memory Changer
Caused a No Lynch if he was hammered

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Meteo☆Impact

"Meeru merumerumerumerumeru me
Meeru merumerumerumerumeru me!
Uchuu ni kirameiku nagareboshi ☆
MAJIIKARU JETTO de teeki wo utsuu
Mahou no kuni kara chikyuu no tame ni ochite yuku nagareete
Konnichi wa hoshikuzu uicchi MERURU
SHUUTINGU SUTAA
SHUUTINGU SUTAA
Anata no mune ni tobikonde iku no
Inseki yori mo (kira!☆)
Kyoudaina PAWAA de (kira!☆)
Anata no HAATO wo neraiutsu no
Da-ka-ra watashi no zenryoku zenkai mahou
Nigezuni chan to uketomete yo ne
Meeru merumerumerumerumerume
Meeru merumerumerumerumeru me!"


Welcome Youkai Jesus to Magical Madness Mafia. You are Stardust Witch Meruru (Ore no Imouto). Just what the hell you are doing in this game, nobody even knows, not even me.

You are Townie Witch. As far as you know, you have no special abilities.

You win when all other factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.

You can post and vote in the thread during the day while alive. Confirm in thread.
-Modnotes
Hidden Miller
If Rolecopped, comes up Witch
Comes up No Result to NeoSerela investigations
Yeah yeah, I'm a bastard, deal with it

Graveyard: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/A2PmYdk8ii72C
Scum: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/3uqMEQZijZ8FE
SK: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/ktxRDaM4aBx

Final Modnotes:
Scum cannot day talk
There was to be no graveyard (Until JOB sent in the one dream that disallowed a graveyard)
Welcome to Mind Screw Mafia. I have kidnapped Tarhalindur and stole his set up. HAPPY?!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 29, 2011, 03:29:43 AM
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~*~BLATANT SETUP SPECULATION~*~
HARUNA IS IN THE GAME AS SCUM OR THIRD PARTY AND CAN RECRUIT ME.
Called it before the game started..
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: capt. h on September 29, 2011, 03:30:10 AM
You know, I think night kill analysis is a good thing when used enough to prevent scum from simply killing whoever it is in their best interest to kill.

For example, when Huh What showed a strong interest in vigging Dormio, was an obvious mislynch, and was night killed, I think it would have benefited town to take those facts into consideration. If only to force scum to make kills that don't have such an obviously strong advantage for an individual player. Scum kills happen for a reason, and ignoring the reason lets scum make much more advantageous kills without penalty.

A "trying" tell is when you try to figure out if they're trying, right?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: UncertainJakutten on September 29, 2011, 03:31:37 AM
@capt. h.: If they're trying, how they're trying, etc. It's hard to explain well, but you get the gist of it. I think you try in a different way as town. And yes, NK analysis IS a good thing. Just take it with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Kitten4u on September 29, 2011, 03:32:16 AM
NK analysis is like using Wikipedia.  Use it, but don't tell anyone you are. :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 29, 2011, 03:33:56 AM
capt. h hasn't ever been scum here, though, has he? How would you know how he tries as scum, UK? :s
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 29, 2011, 03:39:29 AM
N0 Actions:
JOB activates "The Watery"

D1 Actions:
ActionDan: Does not use Pretty Coquettish Bomber
Zakeri: Does not use any abilities
huh what: Does not use Nine Lives

N1 Actions:
Mafia sends ActionDan to kill huh what (Result: Doctor'd)
ActionDan: Roleblocks Shadoweh (Result: Success)
Dormio: ##Summon Haruna (Result: Dies and revives as Mafia Zombie)
Shadoweh: Uses ##Bardiche Defender (Result: Blocked)
NeoSerela: Dead
capth: Captures "The Mirror"
Hero999: Rolecops Shadoweh (Result: Fate Testarossa (Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha), Serial Killer)
huh what: Kills (Bellerophon) Dormio (Result: Success)
Polaris: Hides behind ActionDan (Result: Dies)
Chaore: Protects huh what (Result: Success)

D2 Actions:
Action: Used Pretty Coquettish Bomber
Zakeri: Does not use any abilities
huh what: Unable to use Nine lives

Quote
As the remaining magical girls ran around talking hysterically in an effort to figure out how one of their own came to meet such an awful and fatal end, the same rabbit that announced Polaris' death suddenly emitted a light

As the light grew in intensity, it seemed to share a conduit between the rabbit and a particularly coquettish magical girl.

ActionDan's pretty face lit up with such a warm glow that not one of the awed magical girls could mistake the identity of the renowned Pretty Sammy, alias of trusted good-doer Sasami Kawai.

The rabbit smiled a wry smile.


"Such power costs everyone, even one as purely innocent as yourself."

With those words the once bright light faded and changed to a purple hue before completely disappearing all together.  ActionDan swooned and fell pretty face first unto the ground.

"Are you Okay?"

"Yes... I just feel... drained."

-Modnote
D: I totally fucked this up. Still sorry about that Dan.

N2 Actions:
Mafia sends Zakeri to kill huh what (Result: Success)
ActionDan: Dead
Dormio: Does not use Mystletainn Kick
Shadoweh: Dead
capth: Captures "The Jump"
Hero999: Rolecops Bardiche (Result: Moerin Moeyama (Magical Moerin), Non-magical Vanilla
huh what: Unable to perform a Night Action
Polaris: Dead
Chaore: Protects Bardiche (Result: Success)

D3 Actions:
ActionDan: Dead
Zakeri: Does not use any abilities
huh what: Dead

N3 Actions:
Mafia sends Zakeri to kill Bardiche (Result: Success)
ActionDan: Dead
Dormio: Uses Mystletainn Kick
Shadoweh: Dead
capth: Captures "The Illusion"
Hero999: Dead
huh what: Dead
Polaris: Dead
Chaore: Protects Bardiche (Result: Success)


D3 Actions:
ActionDan: Dead
Zakeri: Does not use any abilities
huh what: Dead

N4 Actions:
Mafia sends Zakeri to kill Chaore (Result: Success)
ActionDan: Dead
Dormio: Dead
Shadoweh: Dead
capth: Keine captures "The Thunder"
Hero999: Dead
huh what: Dead
Polaris: Dead
Chaore: Protects Affinity (Result: Success)

D5 Actions:
ActionDan: Dead
Zakeri: Used Rewind, does not use Time Stop
huh what: Dead
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: J.O.B on September 29, 2011, 03:41:47 AM
Post the order of the cards that I originally picked.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: UncertainJakutten on September 29, 2011, 03:47:37 AM
capt. h hasn't ever been scum here, though, has he? How would you know how he tries as scum, UK? :s

...he hasn't!? I thought he had. That said, I DID glimpse a game on MS where he was scum. It was a little different. But, so far, all I have is extrapolation
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 29, 2011, 05:52:53 AM
Uhm, first of all, I'm going to thank LLD for volunteering to make her life hell by agreeing to help, mentor, and eventually replace Youkai Jesus in the first place, and apologize terribly to her for it. >.>  Playstyle-wise I still think she takes 'cases are scummy' too far. :V Especially against obvtown Capt.H! I disagree that he seems like he doesn't have passion, he's just trying to figure things out in a different way. The Sane Way. @_@

Also, everytime capt.h said "I have a town read on LLD" I imagined him being punched in the gut.
You know, I think night kill analysis is a good thing when used enough to prevent scum from simply killing whoever it is in their best interest to kill.
This so much. Motive leads you to the killers! People die for a reason that becomes blatant the further a game goes.


On myself. WHY DO YOU GUYS ALWAYS KNOW WHEN I'M THIRD PARTY GOD DAMNIT!
ShadowehTown: RAGE RAGE RAGE ohnightkill x,x
ShadowehScum: zzzzzzzzz oh a hammer win
ShadowehITP: "Hello I am confirming! "OMG THIRD PARTY LYNCH IT."
Zakeri! HOW DID YOU KNOW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

I seriously worry for the next time I really am town. The things people said they found scummy were things I would have done as any townie, looking for info. :ohdear: I didn't catch on that Chaore was the doctor and thought Dan was just weirdly guessing for no reason. Yes, I really thought there wouldn't be two cops. Admittedly what I didn't say is our best play would be to LYNCH NEITHER OF THEM and force them to give us results. The real scum either kill the cop or keep him alive, and we get free results either way. All them confirmed townies would have been hard. :<

I'm sorry we didn't get to kill anyone together, Bardiche. At least you avenged my death! :D
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Pesco on September 29, 2011, 06:09:50 AM
Herpderp modkill :/
Yellow for Zak as procedure. I would have given one in any case for the severity of lurking in every game in the last few months.

JOB and YJ are under review. Your reasons to replace out were quite frankly lame. If the players already in the game want you to play, then you'll be allowed to /in.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Bardiche on September 29, 2011, 06:16:52 AM
... PX. You realise Informed Townie is listed as a Power Role and not Vanilla, right? At first I thought it was some kind of ~*Hidden Aspect*~ to be lying about it (and I am rather miffed that not only was I Informed Townie, but the Informated Townie information was wrong, because Akemi Homura's ability is Time Freeze, not Stop) but now it just seems being ignorant that any ability, Passive or Active, is considered to change a Vanilla Town (who has absolutely nothing) into a Power Role.

That was rather frustrating for me.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 29, 2011, 06:19:45 AM
It's my first game, give me a break :I

There were a ton of errors, including a shit ton of votecounts (mostly grammar and stuff :V)
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Bardiche on September 29, 2011, 07:26:38 AM
Well, it's for important future reference then. :V Informed Townies are generally considered Power Roles due to having a [Passive] or at least having more to start with than any regular Townie. Vanilla is devoid of any and all extras, including information.

And give the right information if you're giving Informed Townies. I know you gave me that role just to troll me but you should pay heed to these kind of things: flipping as something OTHER than what your Role PM tells you is rather unfair to someone who has already been lol'd in a role madness game with a passive role.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Helepolis on September 29, 2011, 07:56:54 AM
lol this mafiagame end. This mafia game, despite I only skimmed most of the days, made me QQ.

Screw you Pesco :V I had 2 of the 3 scums (Zakeri and Dormio) correct guessed. Stop trying to deny that I can rely on my instincts perfectly fine.

One particular thing is why Bardiche lollynched Hero when Bard became the king, even when he had solid cases. So stupid to do that.

Edit
Also my own opinion on this game: Adding / deleting rules constantly and entire game shows that this has been poorly planned and/or tested. Well, that is what you get with 30530 rules for a game. Might as well create general, all covering basic rules?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 29, 2011, 08:07:11 AM
lol this mafiagame end. This mafia game, despite I only skimmed most of the days, made me QQ.
Well Hele, if you're so much better than us, maybe you should actually play next game.  :colbert:
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: J.O.B on September 29, 2011, 08:07:43 AM
JOB and YJ are under review. Your reasons to replace out were quite frankly lame. If the players already in the game want you to play, then you'll be allowed to /in.
Let's see one of the possibilities that can occur from you not letting me play.
Not being allowed to play in the next mafia game due to replacing out for a bad reason>Low motivation due to not being involved in the mafia game>No improvement due to not being motivated enough> More insults from Chaore due to not improving enough> More replacing out due to Chaore's insults> Not being allowed to play in the next mafia game due to replacing out for a bad reason>Low motivation due to not being involved in the mafia game......
It's a loop.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Helepolis on September 29, 2011, 08:18:05 AM
Well Hele, if you're so much better than us, maybe you should actually play next game.  :colbert:
And exceed my yearly mafia-quota? No thanks  :colbert:

Also subjective point of views are subjective. Nobody asked you to agree with them. And don't twist my words.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Bardiche on September 29, 2011, 08:18:42 AM
One particular thing is why Bardiche lollynched Hero when Bard became the king, even when he had solid cases. So stupid to do that.

Coming into here just to call people stupid is all sorts of derp for staffmembers to do, but I should point out a role cop claimed to have a Vanilla result on me whereas my role PM tells me I'm a Power Role. Why not lynch the guy lying about my role?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on September 29, 2011, 08:19:54 AM
Also subjective point of views are subjective. Nobody asked you to agree with them. And don't twist my words.
I was just kidding around because I think you should play, geez. >:
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 29, 2011, 08:24:28 AM
Bard: He had your role and name right except for the word Vanilla. There was no scum motivation to lie about your role when he'd obviously rolecopped you as he claimed. Your reasoning for lynching him wasn't well thought out and seems more like lynching because the mod can't possibly have made an error, then blaming it on the mod later. (reminds me of Edible wanting to murder Schezo in MRM. :V) I agree it was silly lynching reasoning.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Helepolis on September 29, 2011, 08:25:32 AM
Geeze! Then why didn't you say so! (But that would still exceed my yearly mafia quota yo)


Coming into here just to call people stupid is all sorts of derp for staffmembers to do, but I should point out a role cop claimed to have a Vanilla result on me whereas my role PM tells me I'm a Power Role. Why not lynch the guy lying about my role?
If you would've left out 'staffmembers' from your post we could've had a nice discussion on this. But seeing you seem to have some sort of allergy, we can't. Therefore I won't.

Maybe it was not nice of me to bring out the word 'stupid', I should've used something less 'offensive'. But I guess I could call it stupid to have such an attitude against us. Because staff got nothing to do with this. You are talking to me as 'Helepolis' , not a moderator/staffer

Cut by Shadoweh! But no reason to edit my post.


Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Conqueror on September 29, 2011, 08:39:20 AM
You're all scum for even touching this game.

It's alright, on to the next one.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: UncertainJakutten on September 29, 2011, 08:40:08 AM
Herpderp modkill :/
Yellow for Zak as procedure. I would have given one in any case for the severity of lurking in every game in the last few months.

JOB and YJ are under review. Your reasons to replace out were quite frankly lame. If the players already in the game want you to play, then you'll be allowed to /in.

Bard and I never got yellows for Diablo modkills, IIRC. If I'm wrong, that's fine.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Helepolis on September 29, 2011, 08:41:15 AM
Still PX did his best for his first game. It isn't a drama/bad to make mistakes, as long as you learn from them and grow STRONGER AND STRONGER from it.

gg
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Bardiche on September 29, 2011, 08:51:04 AM
Bard: He had your role and name right except for the word Vanilla. There was no scum motivation to lie about your role when he'd obviously rolecopped you as he claimed. Your reasoning for lynching him wasn't well thought out and seems more like lynching because the mod can't possibly have made an error, then blaming it on the mod later.

Hey, I panicked okay, and as far as Town's concerned the majority (lol 2) wanted Hero dead. :V Yeah in hindsight I beat myself up over it,  but hrf.

Maybe it was not nice of me to bring out the word 'stupid', I should've used something less 'offensive'. But I guess I could call it stupid to have such an attitude against us. Because staff got nothing to do with this. You are talking to me as 'Helepolis' , not a moderator/staffer.

I treat anyone with the staffmember tag as staff. I accord them the respect demanded by their post; similarly, I expect them to act appropriate their position.

If I talk to you as 'Helepolis' and not a staffer, then I'll say, "Geez, waltzing in to call people stupid is being a rude ass."

Also, I think the adding/removing of rules were part of a role. It's been done before, albeit in a better way.

Bard and I never got yellows for Diablo modkills, IIRC. If I'm wrong, that's fine.

No, we did get yellows.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: UncertainJakutten on September 29, 2011, 08:52:51 AM
Yeah, I just checked. ALL IS IN ORDER =D

Except I like chaos better :|
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Helepolis on September 29, 2011, 09:09:12 AM
I treat anyone with the staffmember tag as staff. I accord them the respect demanded by their post; similarly, I expect them to act appropriate their position.
Clich? response, was expected. And I am not surprised.

One day you will understand that a "dresscode" or  "tag" does not make a person on the forum. There is no reason for me to stay in 100% staffer mode for all my posts. Because that is stupid. A good staffer knows when to step up to that position. And he/she will only do it when there is a rule breaking conflict.

A staffer doesn't grab for his badge when he gets attacked, like you are doing now. I denied your "reply" because of your attitude and unjustified stance towards staffers. I could care less if you would've flamed, insulted, attacked or name called me. It won't make me reach for my badge.

Thereforer, imo your reason for "expecting" us to be in our position is scummy because we too are humans behind a computer screen.

##Vote Bardiche

If I talk to you as 'Helepolis' and not a staffer, then I'll say, "Geez, waltzing in to call people stupid is being a rude ass."
I would accept this more than your former point of view. Because it is more natural and logical.

Sadly, as you stated, that is not the case.

Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Bardiche on September 29, 2011, 09:13:49 AM
Hey, if I saw a teacher cussing out someone in a supermarket I'd also hold that against them. Sorry, I've been raised with the idea that people who have a position of authority should act respectfully at all times. If you ask me to treat you otherwise, sure fine; but my default will always be the above. Not all cultures are the same, therefore, it's scummy to assert that I'm scummy. Clearly.

##Vig: HeLOLpolis
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Helepolis on September 29, 2011, 09:21:25 AM
Hey, if I saw a teacher cussing out someone in a supermarket I'd also hold that against them. Sorry, I've been raised with the idea that people who have a position of authority should act respectfully at all times.
Internet != RL bro. I hope you realise that.

If you ask me to treat you otherwise, sure fine;
I am just asking/encouraging you to drop that allergic stance against any form of staffer, especially the ones you hardly know anything about.

You know why? I , as almost rare-Mafia(RPG) player/poster, suddenly being shoved away as "derp staff" for making a comment (yes it was rude) shows how much you in fact know.

I don't know you, because you're most active in RPG (afaik). You hardly know me for the same reason. There is no reason to judge me by my tag. Same reason also I don't need to judge you for similar reasons. Get it?

##Lord of Terror Eyeback/Bardiche

PS Edit:
Just to clarify about my previous post, my comment being made was purely meant on the game content/actions (still doesn't take away it was poorly worded). If people take it extremely personal suddenly, that is kind of out of my hands as well.

I rest my case as obviously this is not the place to discuss such things. My apologies for spamming this thread. And don't care who takes the last word. Feel free to PM if there are other concerns.

--Helepolis
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Bardiche on September 29, 2011, 09:34:06 AM
Sorry, internets is srs bsns. You try having it ingrained in your brain that authority equals respect and responsibility. Not even the internet can null that. I'm fine with treating you as 'Helepolis' and accord you the same respect I accord Dormio if you ask, though. (And since you do, I will.)

And yes, you're right in that I seldom if ever post outside RPG, and when I do it's usually because someone directed me to sources outside RPG. I'm not that knowledgable on Touhou, it'd be weird to discuss it with people. (And the entire Idiot culture seems hardly flattering to me.)

EDIT: Well, you're right, we -are- kinda veering off topic. :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Edible on September 29, 2011, 09:35:58 AM
hele police

arrest this man

he is bardiche
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Helepolis on September 29, 2011, 09:37:29 AM
hele police

arrest this man

he is bardiche

(http://i53.tinypic.com/169gowj.gif)

@ Bardiche, surely you must have a waifu favourite Touhou girl?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Edible on September 29, 2011, 09:38:19 AM
This is what you get when you mess with us.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 29, 2011, 09:39:08 AM
FREEZE. YOU ARE THE LAW. Yeah you're a COP. THE BEST COP AROUND BUDDY. YOUR EYES ARE SIRENS AND EVERYTHING MAN. WEOO WEOOO.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Bardiche on September 29, 2011, 09:39:55 AM
I don't even know what Touhou is. :derp: All I know is it involves little girls doing things.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Helepolis on September 29, 2011, 09:44:11 AM
I don't even know what Touhou is. :derp: All I know is it involves little girls doing things.
If you value your life! You would keep it like that! Do not trust this man who posted just before you.

That 9 tailed foxy lady looks hot, but in fact is chaos and death in disguise!

Look what happened to me. Eternally cursed to serve under a charismatic spoiled egoistic little bitch vampire girl.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Bardiche on September 29, 2011, 09:45:57 AM
Why do you suppose I never post outside RPG? :derp: It's a wicked land full of little girls doing silly things.

:derp: Are you calling Kilga a charismatic spoiled egoistic little bitch vampire girl? Because I'm sure he's not a girl.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 29, 2011, 09:47:35 AM
But Helepolis, I'm the very best.
Like noone ever was.

I know it's my destiny,
in a town I must defend.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Helepolis on September 29, 2011, 10:24:06 AM
:derp: Are you calling Kilga a charismatic spoiled egoistic little bitch vampire girl? Because I'm sure he's not a girl.
If Kilga was the fictional girl in my avatar, I would've rage quitted this forum :V


But Helepolis, I'm the very best.
Like noone ever was.

I know it's my destiny,
in a town I must defend.
Edible, I am arresting this person as well.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Kilgamayan on September 29, 2011, 11:00:17 AM
If I were Remilia I would've thrown myself onto a wooden stake in the bare sunlight by now.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: ActionDan on September 29, 2011, 02:29:39 PM
Even I have a favorite little magical girl bitch.  Marisa is ze best!

I still think Godfathers/Godmothers are doomed to die D2 by lynch on this site.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Schezo on September 29, 2011, 02:46:20 PM
Nope. I've day 3ed with my first one. BV
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: ActionDan on September 29, 2011, 02:47:36 PM
was that where you and K4U were scum with Px being the vig?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Schezo on September 29, 2011, 03:03:10 PM
No, PX was a SK.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Edible on September 29, 2011, 03:16:09 PM
Edible, I am arresting this person as well.

He does have a hitler haircut.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: WHMZakeri on September 29, 2011, 04:06:16 PM
Quote from: Shadoweh
ShadowehITP: "Hello I am confirming! "OMG THIRD PARTY LYNCH IT."
Zakeri! HOW DID YOU KNOW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
I didn't know. I believed.

Quote
I would have given one in any case for the severity of lurking in every game in the last few months.
Fair Enough. I had a feeling I was up for one, anyway.

Quote
Entire Rest of the thread
:smokedcheese:
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2011, 07:18:06 PM
But Helepolis, I'm the very best.
Like noone ever was.

I know it's my destiny,
in a town I must defend.

you know your avatar is actually red
who isn't ash despite popular belief, right?
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Hero999 on September 29, 2011, 07:23:32 PM
you know your avatar is actually red
who isn't ash despite popular belief, right?

Red is the one from the Manga Special, where people ACTUALLY GET HURT.
Ash is the noob from the anime that is apparently does not age + gets nerfed to hell every series only to level up again.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2011, 07:32:03 PM
Red is the one from the Manga Special, where people ACTUALLY GET HURT.
Ash is the noob from the anime that is apparently does not age + gets nerfed to hell every series only to level up again.

red is also the cannon name for the red/blue era hero as well
but yes generally red=badass ash=loser is how it goes
you can tell it's not ash in dormio's avatar because he looks badass
(also the hat and general design, but mostly the badass)
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Schezo on September 29, 2011, 07:42:42 PM
Yeah Dormio, you finally got a scum avitar. :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Bardiche on September 29, 2011, 08:15:13 PM
red is also the cannon name for the red/blue era hero as well

cannon
(http://larsbrownworth.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Cannon.jpg)
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2011, 08:19:42 PM
cannon
(http://larsbrownworth.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Cannon.jpg)

clearly

like the one you're going into. >:<
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Bardiche on September 29, 2011, 08:25:49 PM
PS: it's spelt canon
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2011, 08:27:44 PM
PS: it's spelt canon

i realize

i just never use the word and use cannon more often SO
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: ActionDan on September 29, 2011, 08:32:17 PM
The first thing I thought of was the cannon at my college, especially with the panther/lionness/tiger head.  Then I realized it couldn't be, because that one is so much better looking.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 29, 2011, 09:40:50 PM
you know your avatar is actually red
who isn't ash despite popular belief, right?
Which is why I'm already the very best.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Shadoweh on September 29, 2011, 10:33:45 PM
Chaore, do you know how much nerdier it is that you acutally know the difference?
N-not that I noticed either.. :ohdear:
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on September 29, 2011, 10:35:22 PM
I only used a picture of Red because Ash sucks I don't have any pictures of Ash and I'd rather use one of Red. :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Chaore on September 29, 2011, 10:39:21 PM
Chaore, do you know how much nerdier it is that you acutally know the difference?
N-not that I noticed either.. :ohdear:

>Missing Big Honking Picture on Hat
>Coat is different color
>Lack of Pikachu because ash is nothing without pikachu

It's not that hard to tell the difference.
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 29, 2011, 10:43:16 PM
And thread's getting off track so LAST POST YEAH!
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: Pesco on September 30, 2011, 05:04:12 AM
Posting after lock :V
Title: Re: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!
Post by: PX on September 30, 2011, 05:21:45 AM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU