The minimum number of votes required for a lynch is one and a half....pffffttttt
I'd assume you can actually read plain fucking english and not assume I immunity fished. I also direct you to the sidebar where your immunity is stated right there.
I asked people's THOUGHTS on immunity claiming because I have theory thoughts on what town is more likely to say and what scum is more likely to say.
14 alive, 6 votes to lynch.
Just to avoid any BS when someone hammers early and tries to go OMG didn't know.
Also screw lightning enchanted seriously
I'd like to know what caused Raka to serious vote me first, tbh.
Requesting elaboration from Barbarian. When you say reasoning do you mean stated reasoning or are you assuming I have no actual reasoning?Not assuming you have no reasoning. Simply that you didn't state any. The vote is super early in the game so that doesn't bother me.
Totally missed Corpse's vote myself, but it's actually irrelevant to what Kaa said. I'd suggest you read the reason Kaa takes issue with Corpse's perceived lack of vote. Kaa is likely town.
I think it's silly to assume Kaa is town so quickly. Just because he (thought) he had a good point against Corpse doesn't make him town. Scum can make good points too.Confirming that Barbarian is town who can't read.
Ancient Kaa the Soulless (1): Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Barbarian
Both Sorceress' post and vote reeked of scum attempting to simulate townie action without actually taking it. How does "ignoring the first argument" make Summoner scum instead of just a clueless townie or one who would prefer not to jump the gun when several players haven't posted? The comment on Raka is a throwaway line that doesn't actually help us, but makes the Sorceress look like she's doing more than she actually is. A town Sorceress would have no real reason to say that if she wasn't going to follow it up with actual pressing or elaboration.Why is getting a response like this akin to pulling teeth? Not that I have any teeth to pull but that's besides the point...
Anyway, I can't see how you can just decide to agree on a vote that doesn't have any reasoning on it. Not that there's anything WRONG with Raka's vote, but your reaction is weird.Sounds like you agreed with it too. There's nothing wrong with it but Kaa thinking it's good is bad. Explain?
Uhh, Countess, did you just place the Sorceress at L1?Again, I can't read.
-Reading the rest of the game again now-
Funnily enough, nothing in Sorceress' latest post makes me want to not vote her. I wonder why that is~?
Still, looking forward to your interaction analysis. You know, the one with no flips. And 2 pages of material. It'll be good, I'm sure ^-^.
I also think it's weird that you're getting on Corpse for asking you about it. There was nothing wrong with his questions. You even deflected it by interpreting it as asking you for Raka's reasons, when he was asking for yours.Also, this was wrong and I can't read. Sorry, my mistake. This avatar style just makes it easier for me to miss posts... it has a surprisingly large effect on my ability to interpret forum format. I'll probably get used to it soon.
Sounds like you agreed with it too. There's nothing wrong with it but Kaa thinking it's good is bad. Explain?I didn't agree with it. I just didn't find anything wrong with it. Kaa agreeing with a vote that has no reasoning behind it was weird, because there isn't anything to agree with other then a general feeling of "Oh sorceress is scummy". It looked like sheeping, as was said by someone(Corpsefire?) earlier. But anyway, I'm reading Kaa as town now.
Corpse opinion: "Raka and Corpse look bad in the argument and Corpse is worse but last game Corpse wasn't worse but Kaa said something relevant about him but I think he's suspicious but not suspicious"This line reeks of horrible misrepping. Enough for me to make a post about it.
@Rakanishu: That's nice. HOW ABOUT YOU POST SOME ACTUAL FUCKING OPINIONS, K THX
[I posted that I agreed with Raka figured that he was picking up on the same things I picked up on from Sorceress' post, so saying that I agreed and nothing else let me reveal my opinion and bait opportunistic scum at the same time.]I hate people attempting to be Wile E. Coyote and placing traps, if only because the odds of grabbing opportunistic scum over MotK Town are about equal. The blind assumption that Raka and you were on the same page is odd in a game where you have no certainties of alignment. What added value did "I agree" have for the game, other than attempts to 'trap'?
I'd like to know what caused Raka to serious vote me first, tbh.
Coldcrow:I wanted the day to hurry up. Not end. Stating I was trying to quicklynch someone is a misrep.
Seems suspicious. Almost like someone who is very arrogant in a bad way. It also seems as if he might want the day to hurry up and end too. The mention of bandwagoning is suspicious. Only scum would want to quicklynch someone like that without good evidence(unless Sorceress is Shadoweh. In that case I'm fine with a quicklynch). The mention about the vote mechanic in the first page isn't really a reason for anything considering what happened in CotA with the talk about plurality lynches. Though I definitely agree that the Kaa wagon is bad. Neutral leaning slightly scum.
everybody looks the same.I'll just clarify exactly what I meant by that. Scroll down any page. Look towards your left. See the avatars? It gets really confusing looking for posts.
I'd like him to read Countess and see what his GUT =D tells him.Going off of GUT =D my read is... god dammit I'm mixing up posts between Countess and Coldcrow. They are both wiggly green ladies in black clothing/hair. Anyway, GUT =D is leaning town. Keep in mind I said gut, I didn't try to read into her and make a logical read because... I can't right now. I've tried x_x
And... if you're saying that the first vote wasn't random, then I dunno anymore.
Mm, I've been, uh, "busy" today and still am. The essentia of how I'm feeling right now is that Countess MIGHT actually be town, though I need to reread the game in detail to confirm that, Sorceress is still bad, though to answer her question, Summoner hasn't bothered me at all and is bothering me less given the constituents of the wagon, Nih is still awful, and scummy to boot, Barbarian is probably town, and I forget anything else I thought skimming the last few posts.Explain, how the Countess is giving you "feelings" of possible Town? I couldn't make any sense out of the post.
@Countess: You said you are not just sitting around and waiting. However, your post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704930.html#msg704930) does not have anything that reaches out to "active scumhunting". Lying?You have yet to apply anything that makes me willing to change my vote.
This sounds like an answer to a question that was never asked at you. Something about that just rubs me the wrong way.
I'll wait and see how Sorceress responds before voting her, but let me read some more and catch up on other people.
Because I'm still waiting on Sorc to respond, not much stands out to me right now, and it's better than leaving my vote floating around. And added pressure wouldn't really hurt now, would it?
Alright, let's get today started!
It's a beautiful morning!
This post feels wrong. First off, it's worded like an answer. Second, it's an answer to... what question? Third, the fact that it's an answer instead of a question. Defensive stance. Know who likes to play defense more than scumhunting?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704797.html#msg704797
You read the game to come out with... a FOS? And voting me simply because I said "Bandwagon!"? Just because I didn't state reasons doesn't mean I didn't have reasons to join the bandwagon. And the vote wasn't suddenly random out of nowhere. And your scummy reads don't explain WHY they're scummy. Care to elaborate?
misleading us as to what he thinks (when he voted Sorceress then claimed he thought she was town)Just... what? Seriously? Just... Wow. I'm just suppressing my rage right now at all that has happened.
Sorceress (3): Ancient Kaa
Oh, and this better be good, Beetleburst, I didn't forget you.
But I am a townie who has no night actions so I am basically Vanilla.
The Countess (5): Rakanishu, Bremm Sparkfist, The Summoner, Sorceress, Coldcrow
##Vote Ancient Kaa the Soulless
What do you agree with Ancient Kaa the Soulless?
Atleast state what you agree with.
Also, If you agree with Rakanishu does that you also agree with his Vote?
If so, where is your vote?
If not, Why do you agree when your not willing to follow?
@Bloodwitch the Wild: I agree with Barbarian. Explain your vote. Its not RVS.There is no reaction to Kaa's answer to your previous questions, which would have been expected if you felt concerned in the first place when you asked them. This renders your first post pointless, adding no scumhunting value. This is the source of the disconnect noticed by Kaa and a few others agreeing with him. Even so, I find the rest of the post more pointedly scum motivated.
@Summoner: You first declared you would wait for Sorcerer to post. Yet immediately afterwards you vote Sorcerer. Then you only post your reasons AFTER asked. You also required someone to encourage you before you voted. Neutral leaning scum
@Sorcerer: When you answered Kaa, you replied Corpsefire is better then Coldcrow. Yet you rather FoS Corpsefire instead of Coldcrow who is worse then Corpsefire. I find you to be contradicting yourself. Your action did not match your words. Leaning scum.
@Countess: You said you are not just sitting around and waiting. However, your post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704930.html#msg704930) does not have anything that reaches out to "active scumhunting". Lying?
##Unvote
##Vote Countess
@Sorceress: I believe his play was reasonable. I do believe the way Raa and Raka worked together so quickly early in the game is eyebrow raising. However, I also don't believe that its enough to warrant a vote at this junction especially after they clarified on it.
@Bloodwitch the Wild: Your reason does not even make sense. Immune does not equal weak to another. Also that is not an acceptable answer at this junction. It would work for RVS but right now its just noise.
@Courtess: You have yet to apply anything that makes me willing to change my vote.
I would also like to ask how you "know" Summoner did not "telegraph" his vote?
Also in #94 you told Eyeback you were undecided about people and wanted to wait for more posts. Yet your #71 post clearly defines them in a category. Why do you contradict yourself so much?
@Nihlathak: You sound like your voting Raka purely on the basis of "I said I would". Also, the only thing I can take from your posts is "I don't like Raka"
Also, your expecting us to immediately know what your opinions are on subtle words. If you don't clearly define them, I won't believe them.
Seriously, just flat out list your case on him. Concise, a few sentences with your strongest points.
Also, let's clear the air. Am I scum because I'm defending Summoner?You said you are defending your town reads, fair to me. In my opinion, even if you are aggravating, I don't find it scummy.
Votes got Miscounted. Just carry on. Assume it was a deadline lynch.Indeed. Although the poisoning brings it into question. Will think about that after Corpsefire posts.
As said in: #201 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707086.html#msg707086) a flat list as you requested:
- Voteparks on Sorc, refuses to answer any further questions.
- Panics for unknown reason.
- Then suddenly claims not getting lynched anyway. (Spite being at 5.5)
- Acts unaware why was there no L-X message. Kind of odd while he knowns his role for sure.
This is my case.
##Vote The Summoner
The summoner, wait wait wait. You said you would "wait and see Sorc's" reply after unvoting. Now joining also the bandwagon? Is it me or am I getting scummy buddy vibes from you and Kaa? Also your explanation is worse (none existant) than Kaa's.I SEE NONE. SERIOUSLY. LOOK AT ALL THE FUCKING POSTS WHERE PEOPLE VOTE ME. I SEE NO QUESTIONS. NONE.
Sorc looks scum, no opinions, the vote is parked on me, but the lynch isn't happening, and it looks like it's quickly becoming not me vs me (unsurprisingly yet again)READ. THE SORCERESS LYNCH WAS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Countess first post: Just because the "strongest arguer" was scum last game has no meaning on this game. And if you're thinking that way why does Raka look townish to you later on? And how scummy do you think I am if you keep thinking my stuff is bad yet not good. Also why should anyone cater to your needs, especially after the case on me was already linked?
Vote stays for now, but I could be convinced to go for Countess or Corpsefire.
Not liking Countess misrep either.
Countess isn't looking any better (Make up your fricken mind on me already! Misrep on Summoner I already mentioned).
Votes got Miscounted. Just carry on. Assume it was a deadline lynch.
@On the topic of Fullcount Votes, I claim that my votes remove elemental immunities. Which is the reason for Coldcrow's full vote, and a reason I'm not willing to place my vote at the moment.
@Coldcrow: See link in last post that leads to post where the mod says the count's correct? Bremm's claim makes everything about the vote make sense though, so taking that point back and making my read of you neutral, slight scum lead. You've already admitted that your vote on me was a pressure vote, and it was an ED1 vote to get activity according to you, so I saw nothing strange about it. Unless you'd like to admit it's something else, now?Certainly not.
@Coldcrow: I can read fine, I don't think Pesco was clear enough perhaps, but all he needs to say is a one-word answer to BloodWitch. Also I seriously hope you're not saying that I was rolefishing for your element type, because I consider that kind of information basic to everyone and now I am thinking it should be considered common knowledge with all the vote shenags going on. I am Electric and Physical. Thus anytime I vote an electric or physically immune person, it only counts as a half-vote.It frustrates to be the only one that saw the votecount.
Corpsefire 74: (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg704942.html#msg704942) Read this and answer me, Corpsefire. Why the Summoner hate with no mention of Sorceress?I had no original opinions of the Sorceress to add at the time and would have preferred a lynch on the Summoner.
Corpsefire 146 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg705742.html#msg705742) What interests me is that he agrees with the points on Sorc, but doesn't bother restating any. He restates a lot of OTHER opinions though. So why not Sorc?Mainly because I didn't bother to read through Sorceress properly at that point.
I echo that the poisoner need not claim. I disagree that Nihlatak needs lynching only because he lurks: that is his meta. I do agree he needs lynching for doing nothing but pointing out why others are wrong with no attempts to point to alternatives.That is his meta? WOW, must be hell of a meta player! What makes Nihlatak any different than other lurkers? Do you know something we don't? I don't see how a poison ability is instant pro-town in this game when everything is confusing.
@Coldcrow: So what do you think about Nihlathak now that he hasn't posted for more than 24 hours? What about Barbarian?At a glance on Barbarian?
My case on Summoner consists him completely dismissing the first major argument in favor of a random voteAhaha, for that first part, let's go rewind ALLLLLLLLL the way back to ED1, Page 1 (Or two for you people who use 25 post per page)
How does "ignoring the first argument" make Summoner scum instead of just a clueless townie or one who would prefer not to jump the gun when several players haven't posted?You used that point for your first vote on me, you completely gave up on it on your second vote on me, and now you're reusing it on your third vote on me? There's so many things wrong with that.
his reread consisting of mostly accusations and comments...so?
and him giving up on the wagon at that point feels like someone trying to justify an unpark people had been on him about instead of trying to push who he thought was the scummiest.I don't even know what you mean by this.
As said in: #201 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707086.html#msg707086) a flat list as you requested:- As I have been saying, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I was NOT voteparking Sorc. I had early suspicions of Sorc, in addition to agreeing with Kaa's case on her, and Sorc did not look better in my eyes ever.She is still my strongest scum read.
- Voteparks on Sorc, refuses to answer any further questions.
- Panics for unknown reason.
- Then suddenly claims not getting lynched anyway. (Spite being at 5.5)
- Acts unaware why was there no L-X message. Kind of odd while he knowns his role for sure.
This is my case.
##Vote The Summoner
That he has since spent his efforts on digging up dirt on nearly all players earns my further ire and now my vote:How the hell does that draw your ire, and how does it indicate me I'm scum? I also like how after your initial post you completely act as if Sorc didn't exist afterwards. Except you then go back and decide that Sorc is now worse than me. Looks like you're trying to capture the popular waves and trying to hide in them, since you voted me when my wagon was rising while Sorc's was dying, and vice versa. And now you just drop everyone for Bremm without explaining why he's scummy. You're second scummiest, next to Sorc, and you earn my vote for now
Sorry, my brain's fried and I am not making heads or tails of this game at right present.How do you do it? My brain isn't even fried, and I've had trouble comprehending anything.
I did my read of ...
How the hell does that draw your ire, and how does it indicate me I'm scum?
I also like how after your initial post you completely act as if Sorc didn't exist afterwards.
Except you then go back and decide that Sorc is now worse than me. Looks like you're trying to capture the popular waves and trying to hide in them, since you voted me when my wagon was rising while Sorc's was dying, and vice versa.
And now you just drop everyone for Bremm without explaining why he's scummy.
Learn to read. Then go back and read. If you still can't find it, read again.Okay, here's your vote
did my read of Bremm, and I can see his #169 contains very little, and his entire gameplay can be summed up as "Countess is suspicious". His #225 asks Nihlalurk for clear reads, but provides none himself.
"So..." isn't that what you implied I was doing with my #119?"
"You used that point for your first vote on me, you completely gave up on it on your second vote on me, and now you're reusing it on your third vote on me? There's so many things wrong with that." <- Completely gave it up? I stated that I felt that I didn't like the random vote because I felt that first argument was enough to get out of RVS on my second vote. Not exactly at the forefront of my argument there perhaps, but not completely given up like you said. (Assuming you mean #65).You're still completely avoiding this question asked by Kaa, that I shall once again quote
Both Sorceress' post and vote reeked of scum attempting to simulate townie action without actually taking it. How does "ignoring the first argument" make Summoner scum instead of just a clueless townie or one who would prefer not to jump the gun when several players haven't posted?
"How does knowing their alignments condemn me exactly?" <- They were the main reasons I steered away from your wagon at the end of the day.Again, HOW???? does that make me scum? Quit avoiding the question!
"About your "promised vote", uhhhh. Promised vote? I just want to know EXACTLY what you mean by that." <- Quoting my response to Bloodwitch: "As for vote... uh... that got lost in responding to cuts <_<". Namely the Coldcrow cut after I put down my reads on everyone.Reread and acknowledged.
"I don't even know what you mean by this." <- You had half a day left. Just about everyone else has considered me scummy this entire game so far. That is some major lack of faith in activity to think I wouldn't be able to be lynched at that point in time.Of course I don't have faith, look at the last two games. One mod threatened to lowering deadline, while the other one ACTUALLY DID.
@Bloodwitch the Wild: Are you defending me or are you going for my lynch?I was defending you? I'm voting you because I think there's a good chance you're scum.
Also, where is your own case? All you are doing is rephrasing Beetleburst.
Do you really have nothing to add?
I'm not accepting the claim that Beetleburst has said everything about me,
and why is Barbarian immediately in the clear due to GUT?
You've stated yourself that his posts were pretty useless. The fact that you cleared him so quickly with only a semi-reliable reason is suspicious.
Bremm's first post of D2 is pretty bad, but Beetleburst already covered most of it; there's no indication of scum suspicions. His day one activity is also pretty lackluster. The vote on Countess makes absolutely no sense, given he had "better" points on Summoner and Sorcerer. Most everything else I wanted to say has already been said by Beetleburst.To elaborate, you're asking a lot of questions, but as I see it they're not really leading anywhere. Who do you think is scum? Who isn't (optional)?
Rakanishi probably isn't scum, which means I'll need to work extra hard if I want to vote her. I doubt there's a third party so I'm out of luck, here.
If my theory is correct, coldcrow is the other one I was going to lynch. At least with her, I have the meta excuse that she's impossible to read as anything but town, regardless of actual alignment.So I'm a town read but you want to lynch me anyways? That's cold. See what I did there? Are you planning to share your theory before or after you get killed by a vigilante?
@Beetle: I started with that ability. And... wait, you believe me and then treat me as something completely different? When did "cult" enter your thought process?
@Beetle: ... huh, I thought Charged Bolt was specifically your ability.
I... also thought the Charged Bolt was your ability, since that's what Beetles do. I can't really test that theory at the moment because of the obvious ramifications, so yeah.
@Coldcrow: I like it! The thing is though, the multiple scumteam spec with no real basis for it feels more like someone who's part of a 2 scum team who's finally seen some things click.Fire Eye not knowing what a Survivor is gives me huge I am Not A Survivor tells.
Fire Eye defending Sorc so blatantly gives me huge partner tells from him.
The Prime Evils, Mephisto, Diablo and Baal, roam the lands disguised. Their mere presence taints the air. To defeat a demon, one must become a demon themselves and not lose hold of sanity. Bounty hunters, adventurers, monsters and heroes have gathered to root out The Three. But at the same time, to attain glory, rivals need to be removed too.
I remember dozens of smarming bettles Act 2 with electricity flying everywhere while I was running and laying traps as an assassin. Of course I remember fighting raka Act 1 with lightning spewing from him as well.
I'm willing to support any lynch except Summoner, who is one of the very few town reads I have this game.
The reason I asked was that Summoner as since stated that your lynch was "not going to happen" because of something in his role.What? I never said anything of that sort.
Do you have any reason for stating "out of these 5 people, atleast 2 or 3 are scum"?Player list -Self -Third Party -town reads
Also, do you have any reason other then "tone of his voice" as a reason for his clearance as town?I admit I don't.
You believe me to be closer to scum then Sorceress. Is there any reasons for this?Like I said, I don't think Sorc is faking her role. What Summoner says about trying to last another day might be true, but if she were fake claiming, I personally think she'd come up with something less obviously scummy than claiming not-town.
Why do you answer so subtly?I could, and have before written paragraph long essays. I could comb though a person's post, and pick out every little piece of bullshit they spouted, and put it on display for the rest of town to see. I can, and spend many games, running through each post, and paraphrasing the opinions and things I noticed in their posts in a point-by-point-analysis. I could do all of this, and you guys would still read me as clearly as you are now. In fact I've developed a lot of bad habits as a result of this playstyle.
Your answering questions with Rhetorical questions. You assume that we know what you are saying with just vague words.
What are your reads?
State it as clear as possible.
What the hell is wrong with you?
In fact I've developed a lot of bad habits as a result of this playstyle.
I believe Sorc's claim. Still willing to lynch for information since she's not town, but she's also still not Mafia.Further proof I am a psychic. I can't believe you did exactly what I said you would. >_>
Since Sorc is no longer mafia, Raka is also no longer not-mafia. I can't tell if Her pushing Sorc is in part due to opportunism or if it's just playstyle.
-Bloodwitch: Unless there are townies who had Prime Evils mentioned in their rolepm as wincon, Bloodwitch is now confirmed town. At least, she is to me. Saying this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708329.html#msg708329) would be a huge gamble for a scum because they wouldn't know what a town's rolepm said, and if it was contradictory, then they could possibly be instantly outed. If anyone has an issue with my logic here, please leave a complaint and I'll get back to you on that.This is a bad question that no one should answer. The most likely role pm's to include mention of the Prime Evil's are those with roles that directly affect them. I believe your logic holds for clearing Bloodwitch as town. Sadly for you, it does not cease implicating you as scum.
@Bloodwitch: Does asking questions have to lead somewhere in order to ask them?Well, usually people ask questions because they have an issue they want to resolve. Asking questions for the sake of asking questions is very nice and all but scum can do it very easily. What's important is that we can see the conclusions from your questions.
At the moment I find Nihlathak leaning scum, due to his suspicious and ...strangely scary content today.
Barbarian as neutral leaning scum due to his complete reliance on GUT.
Why are Bremm and Nih obvscum? I missed it in your posts.
Further proof I am a psychic. I can't believe you did exactly what I said you would. >_>
Oh, I am opertunistic/lazy and Nihlatak, with the same vote/post/idea about quicklynch isn't?
I said I didn't like your behaviour in D2 and would question it in D3 wouldn't I? Prblm?
I was entirely afraid the guy I was voting might've become the lynch.
The amount of confidence felt behind lynching the survivor when still certain the other wagon is definite scum is wrong as well.It is in a survivor's best interest to assist whatever team has a lead on victory. I'm not going to bet on them assisting us during LYLO, and neither should you.
If Eyeback is referring to the trait I believe he refers to I must ask what about it is anti-town.
Afraid was the wrong word. Your quickhammer was still opportunistic.
We still have another survivor left. Would you place his lynch above that of the scumteam that's trying to kill us?
Eyeback's #254 makes me raise my eyebrows. What was so special about #169 that you chose to point it out over any of the other posts Bremm made? Not having reads is bad, as I've said, but what's wrong about asking Nihaldkjst for reads even if he has yet to provide his own?As far as I can see #254 was the entirity of your case against Bremm, am I correct?
If you can't do this and explain your reasoning for each one you get to be scum.Hey Coldcrow, that ladder doesn't actually tell me much given it could be easily constructed by skimming the thread for popular opinion. Could you elaborate a little? :3
Please actually look like you're trying to read.
Coldcrow, what do you think of Bremm, since I think you said you were going to look over him again? I also want a little clarification on this passage, since I've no idea what you're talking about.
Further proof I am a psychic. I can't believe you did exactly what I said you would. >_>
I forgot Corpsefire was playing until I looked at the votecount. He should post whatever he has to give us something to work with.
Hey Coldcrow, that ladder doesn't actually tell me much given it could be easily constructed by skimming the thread for popular opinion. Could you elaborate a little? :3Nope. Ask me again later.
#345: Coldcrow, you think Beetleburst was paired with Sorceress despite not flipping survivor mason? Waffling between Bremm and Eyeback being town/scum despite the later list showing you think they're both scum?Beetle may not have been paired with him as a mason, but they may have shared win conditions. It's irrelevant really.
It's fine if you don't vote right now, because votes are weird. Still, who do you think is scum? What does Nickelback wanting to keep the Summoner alive mean to you? Why do you think Eyeback looks suspicious? Opinions are a good thing. Setup speculation is fun and dandy but it's not really useful for us.
I think it's much more interesting how you and Rakanishu appear to share a common trait, and how that is inherently anti-Town.
I'll let Fire Eye claim that one. If he doesn't claim it, I'll do it for him, and I don't intend to hide anything about it.
So Fire Eye, claim or I'll do it for you. You still have the opportunity to claim while hiding the uninteresting parts: I'm only interested in revealing the anti-Town part, but if you insist on silence I'll claim everything I know instead.
If he spreads his arms out in love and hopes for mercy? Yes.
@Nihlathak: I need to ask, what did you mean byThose are minuses. Scum is equal to the player list, minus the people who are not scum. People such as town reads, the third party group, and, of course, myself.
Player list -Self -Third Party -town reads?
Based purely on conjecture I think Nihlathak wants the Summoner alive because he just kinda jumped off the Summoner bandwagon day 1 and didn't really say why IIRC. As for Eyeback I'll need to reread in more depth right now it's just based on what everyone else is saying and a feeling.I didn't vote anyone besides Raka all day one.
Fire Eye. I'm a Tracker. Tracking Rakanishu failed to produce results. I theorised it was the "Extra Fast" portion that grants Track immunity and attempted to see if it was true.Your story is EyeBlinding.
For all my bravado I don't have much to provide. I maintain that Bremm is scum, further advanced by his interest in pursuing a TP today rather than scum, or even Not Me Over Me.
I don't have much to say about people voting me because yes, I hammered and didn't inform anyone I would. You're treating what is essentially a nulltell as a Super Scumtell: why the hell would scum perform a low-reward/high-risk move? WIFOM, that's why; and as such it is a nulltell.
So lynch me today and kill me tonight, I don't care. If there's a counter to Tracker, then I'm sure scum'll employ it.
Meanwhile you can live on in your pretty fantasy world where scumteams are evident on D3 based on Town and ITP flips (seriously, what the shit, Town, why do you permit this kind of bullshit?) and quickhammers. Yes, because I am deadly afraid the guy I want dead might be lynched.
I think it's much more interesting how you and Rakanishu appear to share a common trait, and how that is inherently anti-Town.
@Barbarian: I looked over you again.yep
I need to ask this. Why did you completely avoid the sorceress wagon?
When you were asked about it, you replied with this.
"I think someone asked me about Sorceress? Eh. I don't see what the big whoop was about her." - Complete Evasion of the Sorceress wagon D1.
"Sorc is just... uninteresting to me." - This was said AFTER he posted her asleaning town. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg707622.html#msg707622)So uninteresting people can't be town?
How do you find someone leaning town if you don't even find her interesting enough to read?...what? I never said I didn't read her. I just said she was uninteresting. Being town isn't particularly interesting. Lots of people are town. Except in this game, possibly. At this rate, judging from a few things I've seen, I'm not going to be surprised if half the players are non-town.
Main point of this, Barbarian and Sorceress avoided each other as much as possible, yet when Sorceress is certain to get hammered Barbarian immediately jumped for it.Oh yes. Because claiming survivor (Someone who is looking for scum and therefore it's not shocking if they look townish) is totally a reason to not lynch them.
I can't really believe I'm not being dumb.yeah and I am, overreacted to Eyeback's claim
I'd like for Eyeback to fullclaim his results and explain why he deliberately chose to track people whom he thought had Track Immunity. If I'm reading correctly.
Then you decide that hunting scum is second priority to killing survivors. Town's objective is to kill SCUM, Scum's objective is to kill anybody not scum, and that includes 3rd parties. Townies shouldn't be scared of 3rd parties until the scum are dead.
@Barb: He's tripping over his claim to try to set me up to look bad if he managed to survive.I do realize this is quite possible. It could be a logic failure regardless of whether he's telling the truth or not. But might as well grill him (Especially since I'm on the side that wants Bremm dead more today, even if Eyeback will follow tomorrow. It will also give him another chance to track someone and give us info that may or may not be useful depending on whether Eyeback is actually scum or not.)
This is so retarded. Town's priority is to eliminate anti-Town elements. Survivors are not pro-Town.I've already stated why I have trouble believing Sorc and her party were "Anti-town" elements. I wasn't against the sorc lynch for information purposes, and I'm not crying over Beetle's death by any means, but I don't think, given the information that we have that the last survivor is of higher priority than, say, people whom the town win condition actively needs to be dead. I get what your point is, but it just doesn't apply in the current scenario.
Eyeback 216 gives me AWFUL vibes. I mean, is it possible to qualify your statements any MORE than that? "Raka is town but not TOO town because she might slip up so I can mislynch her" "Dead people are dead" "Summoner hasn't done anything today. Let's wait and see if my opinion magically changes." I'll give you that you have solid opinions on Sorc and Beetleburst, but seriously, the rest feels so CONTRIVED. I don't like it at all.
Eyeback or Nih can die in a fire since they're completely unrelated to Sorc, just they look awful.
There wasn't a super huge amount of time left anyway.At least 24 hours by my count, if activity continued at the rate it did.
At least 24 hours by my count, if activity continued at the rate it did.I recall Pesco saying that days end at 12%, which means there wasn't even 15% time left.
About all this third party lynch debate: Sorc needed to die (Ex:What if she's lying about being a survivor, or about her wincon), but after new information has come up including the stuff her flip confirmed, her partner does not need to die. Along with Sorc needed to die is Eyeback isn't scum because of hammering. There wasn't a super huge amount of time left anyway."Wasn't super huge amount of time left anyway?" ANY information that we could've gotten would have been valuable. Modco's votecount timer says 26% in #332 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10667.msg708737.html#msg708737). It's not huge but neither its TINY.
EWBOP:I don't mean he's not scum, due to having hammered, just saying it doesn't MAKE him scum.
Raka: No, I'm not a lyncher. It'll all make sense after the game. Probably.Start making sense, now. Because we are in LyLo.
> Opportunistic reads. But makes no sense. Let's check Sorceress claim/flips: Survivor -> Flips as survivor mason -> Must have partner. -> Can use items if she is on the wagonI can see where you're going with this... if you were making a case that I'm her survivor partner. But you're making a case that I'm SCUM. So this doesn't really make sense anymore.
> Sorceress, on countess sure-lynch. & Barbarian, on potential sure-lynch. Either wagon would work for you.
List of suspects, Sorc leaning town. No cases/reads specified except hard on Bremm and Summoner.I'm assuming by "specified" you meant "Cases on people who are scum" because I gave lots of town reads and even a bit of reasoning on one or two of them, I think.
> I am so sure > so sure > so sure. How? Why? Where is your case? Where is your case? You have no case! Good job! Being sure about something which rest of us is unsure. And Barbarian doesn't even bothers to help out.I tried my best to make a case. You saw how that went. You can at least say "And dear god is case is pathetically horrible." But no, you try to say I have no case at all. It feels a little misreppy to me.
> In the meanwhile you stayed on the super bus 180km/h, because switching to Sorceress for you is a BAD idea. You didn't had a case anyway. And favourite-wagon jumping would make you suspicious.because sorc was like L-1 and 100% definitely getting lynched anyway soooooo what do you want me to do, quickhammer?
Yay more opertunity to lynch your own scum buddy Bremm. Especially how you claimed you were so sure of Bremm being scum.AHAHAHA last game people jump on me for saying "almost surely" instead of 100% surely and this game it's the reverse now isn't that just hilarious
Survivor Mason does however need to claim everything that could help us lynch the Primeevils.Do I really need to? :c
@Sorceress: ...So in accordance to Beetleburst's link...and in conjunction with what everyone is saying...Survivor is a High priority lynch.Make me think he only made that case to try and replicate getting the wagon off of him again through the magic of ~third parties~ and pixie dust. We are getting swindled here. I'm tired of reading cases based around possible Bremm partnership while skipping the LYNCHING BREMM part they need to be valid.
On the other hand.... I have lots of questions for Eyeback in D3...but that is for Day 3What happened to this? I don't think there's a single thing you pursued Eyeback over on Day 3 that happened before Day 3. Why did claiming to be a tracker make Eyeback scum?
I understand where you're coming from, Fireeye, but Barbarian is not mafia. He's the partner of Sorc.I had the suspicion that Barbarian and Sorceress could be partners because of the whole Diablo 2 Lore thing. But this still DOES NOT give us any guarantee that the setup is like that, because it is obvious Trollco setup. You weren't the only one who noticed it. Why else do you think I pointed out all the votings with Sorceress? See my D4 opening where I conclude LyLo. And at the same time Barbarian came into my mind as first.
Early in the game, I claimed Sorc and Barbarian were scum. This is because they were the two player characters in a list of everyone else being monsters. Also, being player characters, they could use Items, and since some SuperUniques drop items when they are killed (Like Countess did), I figured this would be part of a win condition or a reward for getting myslynches. When Sorc claimed her role, I believed it because it fit perfectly into the theory I had. She claimed having a single partner, and that both of them could use items that are dropped during lynch, but only if they were on the wagon. This is reinforced by the fact that Sorc flipped "Player Character" as part of her alignment. I'm not sure why I'm the only one who caught onto this, but I guess I'll just have to blame it on my psychic connection with Pesco.
Come to think of it, since Eyeback is apparently town due to Lylo, That makes all of the people who piled onto him fairly suspicious. I note FireEye had no sympathies for his role, even though I found it was sensible once I had take a look back at his play all game. What about his role made you call him out on bullshit, Fireeye?Good point indeed. I had no sympathies indeed. So didn't Rakanishu and other players (see D3). He threatens me to claim because he knows "everything" about me, out of nowhere. Happened to be nothing at the end. And you know what was worst? He claimed Rakanishu and I were sharing the same traits, Anti-Town , unable to be tracked or w/e causing more confusion. Now tell me how do you sympathise in such a situation?
Fire Eye - I've been dismissing you as tunneling town, but there's some weird inconsistency with your cases. Like..What happened to this? I don't think there's a single thing you pursued Eyeback over on Day 3 that happened before Day 3. Why did claiming to be a tracker make Eyeback scum?Pesco's flip post still doesn't reveal us his role. He still could've been lying about his role of tracker or had been keeping things hidden, but he said Bloodwitch didn't return results on his tracking. Only thing we can confirm is, he was town. And so was Rakanishu. Just because LyLo proven that Raka and Eye were infact town, even startled me. Not just only me, majority was infact suspecting EyeBack that entire day which made him claim in the end.
But this still DOES NOT give us any guarantee that the setup is like that, because it is obvious Trollco setup.Actually, it's because it's a Trollco setup that this is guaranteed. Normal mods tend to live and die by the "Marisa is not always town, Mima is not always Scum" rule of game and flavor design. It's the most logical and basic part of game design, and therefore, can be fucked with to mess with the player's heads.
Now tell me how do you sympathise in such a situation?Well, first I would take the time to understand that even though he was pushing nothing for bad reasons, that he would have no reason for that mode of attack as scum, but a reason if he was town. Then, I would go back to see if his targets made sense given his reads, then I would go an read if his suspicions and pursuits followed his results. Of course, that's just me.
Well, first I would take the time to understand that even though he was pushing nothing for bad reasons, that he would have no reason for that mode of attack as scum, but a reason if he was town. Then, I would go back to see if his targets made sense given his reads, then I would go an read if his suspicions and pursuits followed his results. Of course, that's just me.That's not just you, I assume that is like the first thing everybody does.
...the fuck
Also suspicious for actually finding scum finding scum through 'because he is ' reasoningIf you've figured out who I am (likely, also I think I just realized who you were purely from reading 484), it's not that I'm bad at finding scum, it's that I'm bad at explaining -how- I found them :V
I am starting to doubt your actual 3rd party allignment.Are you seriously suggesting this?
Most bleh thing is that if I had realized Corpse was -also- unlynchable if scum, and went over to vote FireEye and we had lynched him, I had my one-shot cop that would have gone on Coldclaws (...oh wait, it's crow. I thought it was claws for the longest time. I blame Shadoweh)>:3 That was on purpose, you know. Once you see my powers you will understand. You probably should have used the cop long ago! I didn't shoot you because I didn't believe you still had it. Also Nihltakshfd was saying mean things about me. >:<
NEOSERELA, when you read this, I want you to cry, ALL MY TEARS. I was flipped green since the start of N3. That means that the time inbetween, you have not even skimmed over page 1 - page 12... and we are only on page 16.Of course I did :C
Serela needs to learn how to lie. He could have claimed to use the scroll tonight, and people would think he was bulletproof!Aha, but that was the beauty of it! I was expecting that, with my unlynchableness and claiming to have a cop to use, I would definitely get nk'd. So I was going to use my bulletproof scroll (which was -not- used) that night, claim to have lied to attract NK, and then have scum think I was Bulletproof so I wouldn't get nk'd next night either, where I'd use my cop to make sure we didn't mislynch on the final day. But they nk'd Nih instead, and then I forgot Shadoweh scumclaimed by the time the votecount appeared :C Because I'm an idiot.
I could tell you were not apathetic
6th:Zombie apocalypse, hammer myself in lylo and realize as soon as I hit "post" that Bard is actually scum, effffffffff
See, we would have found Shadoweh scum, but here posts were fuxannoying to read and in hindsight we should have lynched her for annoying us.Solution is the quicklynch Shadoweh block that you chumps always wimp out of. Extra points for being unreadable or not making general sense.
Solution is the quicklynch Shadoweh block that you chumps always wimp out of. Extra points for being unreadable or not making general sense.And you guys wonder why I was posting like that. >.> No huh what, I did not think I was being concise or protown. ^.^ And I didn't kill you for being obvtown, I killed you for being obvtown AND for taking my name in vain!
Why did nobody lynch Bremm on D2?
He who loses his cool, loses the fight.People need to learn not to get too emotionally connected to games about arguing whether or not you want to kill them.
Hey I just realized something./me teaspits.
Three scum, a mason pair that wins together, and someone suddenly turning third party?
Pesco, when did you start taking modding notes from MotK Psycho Plot?
Hey I just realized something.Pesco should give himself the scumbag tag. >:D
Three scum, a mason pair that wins together, and someone suddenly turning third party?
Pesco, when did you start taking modding notes from MotK Psycho Plot?
I hope Bardiche has no hard feelings towards UK and me as I stared him down hard with my fire eyes (the hard attack on him D3). It is all part of the game.
I don't grudge people for wanting to lynch me. :VNo I meant more like, were you suspecting me of scum trying to get you lynched or did you see me like "TOWNWHATAREYOUDOING"
You don't understand; to me, everyone is scum.Your world sounds painful, sorrow and dirty :[ (dem skumms)
Your world sounds painful, sorrow and dirty :[ (dem skumms)