Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on August 08, 2011, 06:46:56 AM
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Rules!
- I am the game's moderator. What I say goes, and my word is ultimate in the case of the game. I reserve the right to alter any of these rules as I see fit at any particular time.
- 1. Players may not quote private communications with the moderator, including role PMs. Breaking this rule will result in a modkill.
- 2. Votes and unvotes are to be preceded by double octothorpes (##) for convenience.
- 3. Days will last for 72 hours, though hammers are capable of ending day phases prematurely. Night phases will last 24 hours.
- 4. Do not talk to players outside of the game topic, unless the mod permits you to do otherwise. Same goes for posting during the night phase. Players who are permitted to speak outside the game thread with eachother may do so at any time, regardless of their actual alignment.
- 5. A majority is required to lynch. All votes after a majority is reached are to be ignored.
- 6. Scum are allowed to choose not to nightkill, but only once in the game.
- 7. You are not allowed to edit your own posts. Instead, make an EBWOP (Edit By Way Of Post) when fixing your blunders.
- 8. Players who do not post for 24 hours will be prodded (in their main account). If they go another 24 hours without posting after the prod, their player slot will be up for replacement. If no replacement for their player slot is found, I will modkill them.
- 9. Dead players may not post in the game thread after their death, or even speak to others about the game in general before postgame.
- 10. The day ends once I post the flavor. There is no such thing as twilight in my realm, so if the mods are late, consider it an extension as far as speaking is concerned. Votes made after the deadline will not count, however. The only exception is if there is a hammer, in which case speaking is forbidden until I post the update.
- 11. Please do your best to post in the thread with your in-game anonymous account. I will not punish people who mess up in this area, but it should still be kept in mind, since it is against the spirit of the game. To promote this, all mod PMs will be sent to the anonymous accounts, with the exception of role PMs and prods.
- 12. Play to win, but keep in mind that this rule is not an excuse to act like a jerk towards your fellow players.
Feel free to ask me if you are worried that you might be breaking any of these rules.
Alive, or at least in a figurative sense (Red Players are unconfirmed scum): - 12. Remilia Scarlet
- 13. Sid Barett
- 14. Youmu Konpaku
Residents of the Graveyard Anonymafia Graveyard: - 1. Arcueid Brunestud - Vanilla Townie, killed Night 1
- 6. Kūkaku Shiba - Town Chicago Voter, lynched Day 2
- 4. Count von Count - Town Ghostwriter, killed Night 2
- 9. Necro Gardna - Town Doctor, killed Night 2
- 7. Mean Ghost Girl - Scum Voteblocker, lynched Day 3
- 2. Ayumu Aikawa - Vanilla Townie, killed Night 3
- 5. Elizabeth Bathory - Vanilla Townie, killed Night 3
- 11. Reg Shoe - Scum Crafty Janitor, lynched Day 4
- 3. Bogmire - Town Activist Vigilante, killed Night 4
- 8. Munak - Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 5
- 10. Pamela Ibis - Town Nosy Neighborizer, killed Night 5
Convenient Links: - End of Day 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693940.html#msg693940)
- End of Day 2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696431.html#msg696431)
- End of Day 3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg698765.html#msg698765)
- End of Day 4 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg700711.html#msg700711)
- End of Day 5 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg702928.html#msg702928)
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Role PMs are in the process of being sent. Please confirm in-thread with your anonymous account when you receive your role. Day 1 will begin once 12 out of 14 players have confirmed.
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I'M FEELING FANTASTIC TO BE UNDEAD!!
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All role PMs have been sent. Carry on.
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I guess confirmed.
And before you ask, yes, it is a zombie.
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LET'S DO THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'M SO PUMPED UP FOR THIS!!!!!!!!
I guess you guys know who it is then.
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I've got a role pm!
So I'm confirming! That's how you do this, right?
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##Mafia Slaying Sign "200 Confirmations in 1 Post"
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It's so much fun guessing who will confirm next :3
Also I got Youmu right.
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Do you think this ancient robe makes me look fat?
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Hi I am Schezo and therefore scum. Please lynch the hell out of me.
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In other news, I am also a potato. So you get to get rid of both scum, and a derp in one fell swoop.
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Silly Dormio, trying to be like Schezo.
I know he is a good rolemodel but still....
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##Confirm
I always was that kind of man...
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Goody, Goody!
I'll do my best~
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Very well then.
Is it already time for a bath?~
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##Confirmed
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Let's get this party started.
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Quick reply ftw.
##Confirmed
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I [REDACTED] the confirms
I love to [REDACTED] the playerbase
and I [REDACTED] myself.
Count Von Count [REDACTED].
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*rises from the ground* Confirmed.
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That's 14 [REDACTIONS]. Ah, Ha ha!
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Day 1 has begun. You have until 9:00 AM on August 11th (Pacific Standard Time) to decide on a lynch.
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
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LET'S DO THIS!!!!!!!!!
##Vote:Youmu Konpaku
For being the only other touhou character.
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##Sid Barett
I was always that kind of man...
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What? you're only half dead? That's no fun!
##Vote: Youmu Kompaku
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##Vote: Arcueid Brunestud
Quality blood for a quality bath.~
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Uhhhhh...
:ohdear:
I guess I should vote...
##vote necro gardna
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##Vote: Kūkaku Shiba
Because I have no idea how to pronounce it. And that's terrible.
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Oops, I mean
##Vote: Necro Gardna
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##Vote: Ayumu Aikawa
We don't need more magical girls, especially boys trying to pretend to be ONE. That's one, Ah, ha ha!
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##Vote Remilia Scarlet
Pure OMGUS. Oh, also, I still haven't gotten over what your cute little knife throwing maid did to Yuyuko.
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Yuyuko asked for it. After all she did steal spring. Go blame it on the red-white shrinemaiden and black-white witch.
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##Vote Remilia Scarlet for being an absolutely terrible character.
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##Vote: Reg Shoe
Get an avatar, ya faceless goon.
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There is no official art of me anywhere.
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You're all so annoying. Can't a girl have some orderly peace?
##Vote:Everyone Else
...what, I can't do that? Fine.
##Vote:Ayumu Aikawa
You make my eyes hurt. Aren't you a guy? Learn to dress better.
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>V-V-VoteCount!
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Sorry. Was trying to get some extra sleep. Not that that worked out, anyway.
Votecount the First!
Ayumu Aikawa (2): Count von Count, Mean Ghost Girl
Remilia Scarlet (2): Youmu Konpaku, Reg Shoe
Youmu Konpaku (2): Remilia Scarlet, Pamela Ibis
Arcueid Brunestud (1): Elizabeth Bathory
Kūkaku Shiba (1): Bogmire
Necro Gardna (1): Ayumu Aikawa
Reg Shoe (1): Kūkaku Shiba
Sid Barett (1): Sid Barett
Not Voting: Arcueid Brunestud, Munak, Necro Gardna
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. There are currently ~69 hours left in the day. Better not waste them~
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Count von Count requests a votecount?
Would you not rather count the votes yourself, my dear Count?~
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Why, I did! But I love counting them again! I could count forever you know.
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You like numbers, too?
I love big numbers!
You like addition, right? I bet it's your favorite, since you like counting so much.
My favorite is Subtraction, because it's the only way to get to Zero.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Remilia Scarlet
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##Unvote
##Vote: Remilia Scarlet
Care to say anything about your vote there, Ayumu? A little blurb on it at the least would be nice.
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Are you trying to kill me for my hat?!
##Vote Arcueid Brunstead
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Umm... Not being creative?
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I go to the graveyard. Then I am removed from play. Such is my existence (or lack thereof).
#Vote: Remilia Scarlet
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Huh? Oh, the games already started?
Okay then.
##Vote: Necro Gardna
Then, if that's your existence, we should probably send you to the graveyard like you should be sent, yes?
I'd like to know why you're bringing someone actually decent close to lynch with no reason why we should lynch them, as well. Seems kind of a weird thing to do.
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I can't say I *like* Remilia that much (her response to me felt odd), I also don't like how much traction her wagon has gained in the RVS. I dislike Ayumu and Necro from said wagon. Ayumu's response seems more awful at this point. I'm kind of wondering why...they...made such a non response to a perfectly legitimate question~.
As for Necro, Arcueid basically has what I want to ask covered, though with more words. Arc, is there any reason outside of her quick wagon that you find Remilia to be decent?
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HERP DERP
##Unvote, Vote Ayumu
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I don't find her decent more so do I find little reason to dislike her. Your issue with her response is a bit odd, it was an RVS vote she made, and an RVS response she gave. I'm not a big fan of dismissing things as 'RVS', but flavor and timing seem to make her seem unassuming. Could you elaborate what you dislike about it?
As for other reasons, no, She's really effectively null if you disregard her wagon making scary and terrible traction it shouldn't be getting for an RVS wagon. I'm not voting because I think Remilia is town and everyone attacking her is scum, I'm voting because the person voting her (Gardna) looks scummy with the circumstances of his vote. Who someone is voting is secondary to why and how they're voting.
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No game in recent memory has ever had a ED1 bandwagon lead directly to a lynch, so I don't understand what you mean by Remilia being 'decently close to a lynch', considering that she's only at L-4. Also, I think you have it backwards, since there are no 'reasons' to be had other than non-meaningful ones like 'I never liked the color red' during RVS. Reasons have to come from irrational actions in Mafia, and RVS happens to be a collection of those irrational actions, one merely needs to cross some pre-defined threshold in order to create the spark that sets off the 'rational' game.
##Unvote
##Vote: Youmu Konpaku
As for Youmu, I don't like how safe-looking and disjointed his post was, since he dislikes Remilia and people on that wagon at the same time and tries to cover all bases. Why is Ayumu's response more awful than mine when he had a reason when I did not? Also what question are you referring to?
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I like you, Arc.
Anyway, Remilia's response felt too...bantery if that makes sense. It gave me a weird gut vibe. I was hoping to get more posting out of her to see which way it'd go, but then the wagon happened.
Oh, cut by Necro: Uh...HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's hilarious, thank you! Ayumu had a reason? Uh, no, they didn't. Unless you'd like to point it out? Secondly, why are you defending Ayumu? Your vote is awful.
Hmm...while I'm thinking about it, what are your thoughts on Ayumu, Arc?
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Not being creative, presumably. But why is she 'weirder and more awful' than me? And I'm certainly not defending her, I'm asking why you arbitrarily went after her instead of me.
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"Not being creative" was a non answer. It felt evasive. Are you planning to tell me that you were just as evasive and sketchy? Do you truly see no difference between your response and their's? Your first joke was amusing, but too many of them will wear rather thin.
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Ayumu Aikawa (3): Count von Count, Mean Ghost Girl, Youmu Konpaku
Youmu Konpaku (3): Remilia Scarlet, Pamela Ibis, Necro Gardna
Arcueid Brunestud (2): Elizabeth Bathory, Munak
Remilia Scarlet (2): Youmu Konpaku, Reg Shoe, Ayumu Aikawa, Necro Gardna
Kūkaku Shiba (1): Bogmire
Necro Gardna (1): Ayumu Aikawa, Arcueid Brunestud
Reg Shoe (1): Kūkaku Shiba
Sid Barett (1): Sid Barett
Not Voting: N/A
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. There are currently ~61.5 hours left in the day. Better not waste them~
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Why use the word 'they' though? It confuses me a bit. Thought you were referring to both me and Ayumu that post.
I don't see how that was any more of a non-answer than all the other posts that have been made beforehand, which have been similarly subjective and absurd. The only difference was that it was a reply to a question by Meanie. As far as I'm concerned, I saw no difference, unless one considers 3 votes on a person some kind of magical threshold. Why not Reg Shoe for being the first to put someone at 2? Point is, everyone would have been just as supposedly evasive and sketchy if they were asked the same question Meanie asked Ayumu, given how as insignificant 'reasons' and 'blurbs' were as silence.
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For the first part, I can't tell if Ayumu is male or female. If they could elucidate this...
I don't see how that was any more of a non-answer than all the other posts that have been made beforehand, which have been similarly subjective and absurd. The only difference was that it was a reply to a question by Meanie. As far as I'm concerned, I saw no difference, unless one considers 3 votes on a person some kind of magical threshold. Why not Reg Shoe for being the first to put someone at 2? Point is, everyone would have been just as supposedly evasive and sketchy if they were asked the same question Meanie asked Ayumu, given how as insignificant 'reasons' and 'blurbs' were as silence.
As for this, no, they wouldn?t. That?s dumb. You?re not going to convince me everyone reacts exactly the same.
Anyway, I know that you would just LOVE to have my attention (and my vote), but I'd like to hear from AYUMU, you see.
...also, Necro Gardna has to die before he can protect anyone, don't you know anything?
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HEY GUYS! As much as I ENJOY talking to Necro Gardna by myself it would be PRETTY AWESOME if the rest of you zombies stopped playing dead and put those opinions out there. These swords are sharp enough to cut the undead souls out of every single one of you.
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Well, the meanie asked for a little blurb to go along with my vote, so I added one? Really, choosing Touhous in a touhou forum isn't really getting creative in your choices.
Either way, I did provide some reason other than Necro who said that there are no reasons for RVS votes.
For the first part, I can't tell if Ayumu is male or female. If they could elucidate this...
I refuse to answer this due to your confusion being entertaining to me :3
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Uhhh, yeah, people should talk more I suppose?
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My response was a bit of roleplay. It wasn't anything serious.
Really, choosing Touhous in a touhou forum isn't really getting creative in your choices.
I wasn't the only one who did that.
That wasn't a very creative reason.
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@Gardna: That's...actually a fairly correct statement, I was actually wrong there. I parsed the 8 to lynch as 6 to lynch for some reason.
That is also the longest and most contrived half-bullshit manner I have ever read to say 'It's RVS. Really who has an actual reason?'. It's also completely followed up by you trying to point out you being worse for the exact same reason I didn't like your vote. I don't like people who contradict themselves, especially not in the same post. I'm also not liking how you're following up with long confusing paragraphs based around what I can only try and sum up as 'Reasons and RVS'.
I see literally no reason to move my vote, so I think I'll keep it on you despite my initial assessment being flawed.
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I didn't try and point out that I was worse, but I was trying to ask Youmu why he thought Ayumu was worse than me, which I did not understand clearly until the next few exchanges. As for reasons and RVS, give me an actual reason for any post in this particular RVS. Also, tell me why my views on RVS and reasons are particularly scummy. I can understand if you find my reasons for voting Youmu absurd, but not agreeing with my way of phrasing stuff isn't valid in itself.
Ayumu's answer seems like an empty answer to an empty question, and it seems like any other post in RVS, except that the vote and the blurb constitute two votes instead of one. I'm interested in how Youmu finds this particularly 'sketchy and evasive'.
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Sorry about not being here~!
I was worried about getting fat...
Bouncing is great exercise!
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Secondly, why are you defending Ayumu? Your vote is awful.
I feel that you're misrepresenting Necro Gardna there.
You accuse Necro Gardna of defending Ayumu.
Yet, to me, it looks like Necro Gardna was simply questioning you on why you found Ayumu to be more awful.
Why do you try to spin this into a chainsaw defense on Necro Gardna's part?
Why do you like Arcueid?
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Oh! I almost forgot!
Master~ You must remind me of these things.
##Unvote
##Vote Youmu Konpaku
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Votecount - Braaaaaaaaaains Edition
Ayumu Aikawa (3): Count von Count, Mean Ghost Girl, Youmu Konpaku
Remilia Scarlet (2): Reg Shoe, Ayumu Aikawa
Youmu Konpaku (4): Remilia Scarlet, Pamela Ibis, Necro Gardna, Munak
Arcueid Brunestud (1): Elizabeth Bathory,
Kūkaku Shiba (1): Bogmire
Necro Gardna (1): Arcueid Brunestud
Reg Shoe (1): Kūkaku Shiba
Sid Barett (1): Sid Barett
Not Voting: None
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
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>V-V-VoteCount!
I feel like everyone is missing the point as to why Amumu's vote on Remilla was "bad," and why Mean Ghost Girl even pressured Amumu on it in the first place (which I was considering asking myself at the time). Voting twice in RVS immediately earns scrutiny because up to said person's (in this case Amumu's) 2nd vote, there is simply no legitimate reason to change votes! It isn't pro-town, because it doesn't add anything to the town's agenda, while at the same time, it forces a voice in your head to say, "why did he switch his vote arbitrarily?" Which is only leads town off-track if Amumu is town himself. I think Amumu has responded poorly to the pressure, needing to clarify his joke voting reason in One, TWO! posts, Ah, Ha ha. Still, I find this particularly annoying to read: Either way, I did provide some reason other than Necro who said that there are no reasons for RVS votes.
Do you mean... Whether your reason was good or not, you still have a reason, which is better than Necro saying that people don't have reasons for RVS votes? It seems like a snipe and IIoA in one swoop. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but then please also admit that you are semantically challenged. You are scummy. (Also since you don't want to admit you're male, I changed your name to represent a sad sad mummy)
Arcueid, I'm having trouble finding where your discontent with Necro's posts come from. I see you don't like his long paragraphs about "reasons and RVS" but I am not sure why you find them scummy. I know that you had originally frowned on Necro being 4th on the wagon, and had labeled it as scummy before he admonished you on counting, but since you are not using this as part of an argument for Necro scum, I simply see nothing substantial in your own posts. In this regard I am quite satisfied by Necro's #62 to account for points raised against him in your #61. I am inclined to believe that you are scummy for overstretching Nerco's posts into something that they weren't, namely, bull-shit posts about the RVS.
Finally, I am unimpressed with Remilla's contribution. It's simply a snipe without a vote or any explaination. It's suspicious, but hopefully Remilla will add to that, since to all appearances her vote is still on Youmu.
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##Unvote
RVS is pretty much done now it seems.
I think that Ayumu is the scummiest at the moment.
The reasons he/she gave stupid, evasive and not thought out. Even if it is a jokevote you still need to provide a reason. Even if it's something like "You're wearing a silly hat!" Using reasons like "Not creative enough" just don't give a good first impression.
Necro is neutral for me as he seemed scummy earlier on but now he's reading slightly more town to me. So I'm gonna wait a bit longer and see if anything interesting happens.
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EBWOP: It's meant to be "The reasons he/she gave were stupid, evasive and not thought out well."
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Remilia, I don't get a good vibe from anything you just said, but more importantly, there is a conspicuous lack of a vote for who you consider to be the scummiest... which I hope I don't need to tell you is quite scummy (It's quite scummy).
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I didn't vote because I wanted to wait for a bit longer to see if Ayumu can make themselves look better.
If they can't then I'll place my vote on them.
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EBWOP: Themselves should be themself. I can grammar.
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Um. Ok, that sounds a bit naive, but you can't simply expect Amumu to "get better" without pressing for an explaination on something you find him doing that is scummy.
For example,
The reasons he/she gave were stupid, evasive and not thought out. Even if it is a jokevote you still need to provide a reason. Even if it's something like "You're wearing a silly hat!" Using reasons like "Not creative enough" just don't give a good first impression.
This reads as a condemnation which requires a vote. There is no question, no desire to see Amumu answer for his crimes while you reserve judgement (and therefor your vote).
On an entirely different note, I think the "Not creative enough" comment amumu made was as good as any other jokevote, and is not the reason I'm currently voting for him. (Unless amumu's vote on you was supposed to be serious. In that case he looks even worse).
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On an entirely different note, I think the "Not creative enough" comment amumu made was as good as any other jokevote, and is not the reason I'm currently voting for him. (Unless amumu's vote on you was supposed to be serious. In that case he looks even worse).
The fact he also had to be asked for a reason is also bad. You can't just vote for no reason. You have to provide a silly/good (depending on the phase of the game) reason immediately before or after you vote. The fact that he did that was probably so he could stall the game with everyone asking unneccesary questions.
And since you've been begging me for a question to back me up.
@Ayumu:
Why vote me for not being creative by picking a touhou character and not even mention Youmu at all?
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Ah well. I guess I can live with that (in the same way a lion could live off tofu). Continuing our conversation further would be pointless without a response from Amumu.
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"Not being creative" was a non answer. It felt evasive. Are you planning to tell me that you were just as evasive and sketchy? Do you truly see no difference between your response and their's? Your first joke was amusing, but too many of them will wear rather thin.
RVS is not for being serious. How are you not going to be evasive? There is absolutely no way I believe that you can answer a question in RVS about a vote due to the fact that there is really no information to use in the first place.
The fact that you hit so hard on a specific two because of the fact that no reasons are stated makes it strange.
Also, Why single out Ayumu and Necro Gardna?
Why did you ignore Reg Shoe?
Don't tell me you let him go because of his reason on voting Remilia which was "for being an absolutely terrible character."
This would be as baseless as having no reason at all.
I like you, Arc.
Anyway, Remilia's response felt too...bantery if that makes sense. It gave me a weird gut vibe. I was hoping to get more posting out of her to see which way it'd go, but then the wagon happened.
Oh, cut by Necro: Uh...HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's hilarious, thank you! Ayumu had a reason? Uh, no, they didn't. Unless you'd like to point it out? Secondly, why are you defending Ayumu? Your vote is awful.
Hmm...while I'm thinking about it, what are your thoughts on Ayumu, Arc?
The fact that you also immediately claimed that you like Arcuied so quickly is also strange to me,
The fact that you are basing your things on RVS at the moment is suspicious to me.
I don't find her decent more so do I find little reason to dislike her. Your issue with her response is a bit odd, it was an RVS vote she made, and an RVS response she gave. I'm not a big fan of dismissing things as 'RVS', but flavor and timing seem to make her seem unassuming. Could you elaborate what you dislike about it?
As for other reasons, no, She's really effectively null if you disregard her wagon making scary and terrible traction it shouldn't be getting for an RVS wagon. I'm not voting because I think Remilia is town and everyone attacking her is scum, I'm voting because the person voting her (Gardna) looks scummy with the circumstances of his vote. Who someone is voting is secondary to why and how they're voting.
For what reason do you believe Remilia is town?
Having people voting on her does not mean she is most likely town.
With her recent posts, I wish to ask if your opinion of her has changed?
##Unvote
I think that Ayumu is the scummiest at the moment.
The reasons he/she gave stupid, evasive and not thought out. Even if it is a jokevote you still need to provide a reason. Even if it's something like "You're wearing a silly hat!" Using reasons like "Not creative enough" just don't give a good first impression.
Necro is neutral for me as he seemed scummy earlier on but now he's reading slightly more town to me. So I'm gonna wait a bit longer and see if anything interesting happens.
If you believe Ayumu to be scummiest at the moment, then you should have voted him. The fact that you believe leaving your vote in the middle of no where when you believe Ayumu to be the scummiest is seriously suspicious. The fact that you didn't vote also shows how much you even believe in Ayumu to be scum.
While I agree with the "not thought out", the fact that being not evasive during RVS is what I believe to be hard. There is no information in the first place to base a reason on. How do you give a satisfying answer?
Also
I didn't vote because I wanted to wait for a bit longer to see if Ayumu can make themselves look better.
If they can't then I'll place my vote on them.
Make himself look better? You should be asking for opinions instead of asking him to make himself look better. The fact that you want him to look better instead of asking opinions is another point I want to point out. I would like your opinions on others as well and not just Ayumu.
The fact he also had to be asked for a reason is also bad. You can't just vote for no reason. You have to provide a silly/good (depending on the phase of the game) reason immediately before or after you vote. The fact that he did that was probably so he could stall the game with everyone asking unnecessary questions.
And since you've been begging me for a question to back me up.
@Ayumu:
Why vote me for not being creative by picking a touhou character and not even mention Youmu at all?
...Now I find that question to just be diverging attention away from you.
The fact of that you asked this kind of question makes me suspect you even further.
This question itself is a trap.
##Unvote
##Vote Remilia
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Remilia is Still a terrible Character and I'm already voting her.
Everyone else is being silly.
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Please aquire a face, so I can start bashing it.
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Time for a morning votecount!
Ayumu Aikawa (3): Count von Count, Mean Ghost Girl, Youmu Konpaku
Remilia Scarlet (3): Reg Shoe, Ayumu Aikawa, Sid Barett
Youmu Konpaku (3): Pamela Ibis, Necro Gardna, Munak
Arcueid Brunestud (1): Elizabeth Bathory,
Kūkaku Shiba (1): Bogmire
Necro Gardna (1): Arcueid Brunestud
Reg Shoe (1): Kūkaku Shiba
Not Voting: Remilia Scarlet
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. There are currently ~45.5 hours left in the day. Better not waste them~
Bogmire and Kūkaku Shiba have been prodded.
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@Gardna: Okay, reading you in general is getting kind of hard actually. Again, yes, rereading it that is kinda the case with only asking why ayumu is worse when he had a reason, but it seems like you're implying that they -shouldn't- be worse with that question and that implication made me think you're being contradictory as if that having a reason does actually mean something. Seeing as that wasn't a question directed at me, the person who stated they shared that view even on RVS votes, It seemed like you stating you believed that should matter.
I'm not liking your second question as it seems oddly disjointed from the rest of the set. It's less 'TELL ME WHY YOU DID THIS' and more 'TELL ME WHY I'M WRONG ON REASONS AND RVS'. It perfectly enamors what seems terribly off about your large paragraphs. It seems more like you're trying to soapbox your view on 'Reasons and RVS'. It seems like you're trying to win an argument on that and use it as a basis for your scum hunting, rather than scum hunt and explain why 'reasons and rvs' makes someone scummy. It seems like something scum would focus on hard to make what seems like a good case because it has a lot of backing and paragraphs.
If it seems like I'm picking on you for phrasing, I'm not trying to. It's more like I'm finding scummy how chaffy and meaningless your whole 'case' is starting to seem here, this may involve your phrasing and such being involved and if so I'll try and accomadate more for that in the future.
@Sid: Answering your first question would rather literally pretty much end up in a similar manner to that quote, as I'm fairly sure you've already guessed, so I'm going to pass on that, unless you're seriously insituating that I must be pushing Remilia as full out townie because I dislike people on her wagon.
Remilia is making what seems to me to be childish mistakes, and that's...not particularly why I would vote someone. Literally their worst thing to me seems to be the blank unvote, and I don't think that's something that particularly catches scum alot. I'd normally say they're trying to make Ayumu seem a bit worse than it was, but it seems more like a case of 'Not knowing how to put what's scummy about them into words'. I'm more inclined to say they're a terrible player rather than they're scum.
@Youmu: I apologize, I totally missed your question about what I think of Ayumu.
I think Ayumu is kind of stupid. They seemed surprised that somebody took a second glance at their empty unvote revote, and even more surprised they were asked for a reason in RVS. My kneejerk reaction would've been to vote like you did, but I held off because I don't particularly think that's necessarily a scum action in itself. It seems like a stupid mistake more than a particularly scummy slip.
I'm not particularly sold on this completely clearing it because that could be a stupid mistake scum could make as well, I'm just not going to completely jump at an empty unvote revote as 'SCUM LYNCH IMMEDIATELY.'
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The fact he also had to be asked for a reason is also bad. You can't just vote for no reason. You have to provide a silly/good (depending on the phase of the game) reason immediately before or after you vote. The fact that he did that was probably so he could stall the game with everyone asking unneccesary questions.
And since you've been begging me for a question to back me up.
@Ayumu:
Why vote me for not being creative by picking a touhou character and not even mention Youmu at all?
Uhhh, are you asking me "Why me and not X?"
In fact, it seems the only reason you find my reason stupid is because it can apply to both you and Youmu.
If you want a true answer to the random unvote revote, simple. RVS Stage, pile votes on someone, and people will talk. I just simple chose Remilia because I liked the Youmu pick over than the Remilia pick.
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Remilia looks like terrible town under pressure to me. I've been there before, and so I'm not convinced that what she's doing right now comes from a scum mindset.
Reg Shoe blithely waltzes in, concise to the point of not giving reasons for his vote. Planning on riding out the bandwagon? Vote stays.
Voting twice in RVS immediately earns scrutiny because up to said person's (in this case Amumu's) 2nd vote, there is simply no legitimate reason to change votes! It isn't pro-town, because it doesn't add anything to the town's agenda, while at the same time, it forces a voice in your head to say, "why did he switch his vote arbitrarily?" Which is only leads town off-track if Amumu is town himself.
Are you saying that voting twice in RVS is anti-town? I hope that's really not your reason for voting Ayumu.
Ayumu: So, is your Remilia vote a serious one now?
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Point is, everyone would have been just as supposedly evasive and sketchy if they were asked the same question Meanie asked Ayumu, given how as insignificant 'reasons' and 'blurbs' were as silence.
Ah, but you see, the question would not have applied to anyone else. Ayumu was not just doing a standard RVS silly vote; Ayumu was taking her vote and changing it to someone else, which implies that the new person is a better vote then the previous, so there should be some reason as to WHY they're better. If not, this means votes are being slung around like an unruly child playing with a toy, and I'll be severely tempted to take it away and put someone in time out.
But I don't believe the rules allow that, so I suppose I'll just have to restrain myself. I'm also glad that the Count understood my intentions. There are... certainly worse hobbies one could have then counting, I suppose.
In other news... Lady Remilia is not in my best regards, so far. She says the Ayumu she finds the scummiest, because... she didn't give a good enough RVS reason to vote. While Ayumu isn't on my good side either, I do not understand Remilia's reasoning for him to be scummiest. Later on she brings up that Ayumu had to be asked for her reason as well, and that is a much more vaild reason, but... it came LATER. You need to have your reasons already out when you make accusations, not unravel them after pressure. Not only that, but she followed it up by saying "The fact that he did that was probably so he could stall the game with everyone asking unneccesary questions.". Now now, let's not get into conspiracy theories, really; that hypothesis is rather silly, don't you think?
I do understand though, that RVS can a bit of an irritating time, especially for unskilled townies, and I'm willing to forgive these shenanigans if I see these two start shaping up. As for now, I'm still working on forming opinions on the rest of you hooligans. I'll put it out there that it would be nice to see actual contribution from... well, everyone who hasn't posted, and Reg Shoe who HAS posted but not really said anything. We'll see how this goes as the day develops.
For the first part, I can't tell if Ayumu is male or female. If they could elucidate this...
If Ayumu is female, then, even ignoring the general malesque features, that is absolutely the flattest chest I have ever seen, and I am ashamed to share her gender.
Ah, speak of the devil; I've been ninja'd by an Ayumu post. Now, Ayumu, I've seen you make a few posts since the arguments started over what happened in RVS. But what I haven't noticed in any of them, is any opinion about anyone else. I would greatly enjoy hearing what you currently think about the other players.
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Right, I was going to say other stuff.
Haha, who am I kidding? Stupid Day 1. Other people generally look fine to me, or at the very least I don't see anything glaringly wrong. Ayumu earns a few glares for being useless, but I'll wait for him to answer my question first.
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Ah, but you see, the question would not have applied to anyone else. Ayumu was not just doing a standard RVS silly vote; Ayumu was taking her vote and changing it to someone else, which implies that the new person is a better vote then the previous, so there should be some reason as to WHY they're better. If not, this means votes are being slung around like an unruly child playing with a toy, and I'll be severely tempted to take it away and put someone in time out.
Ah, this was what I was really going to reply to. As with Count von Count, I disagree with the premise of this statement, but it seems like your Ayumu vote has evolved away from this, so.
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Master! Stop feeding me!!
If I wasn't undead, I'd be dead from overeating.
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Is there a reason you liked Remilia more than Youmu, Mr. Ayumu?
Miss Youmu, I won't bite you (for now) so can you please come back and answer my questions?
"You're wearing a silly hat!"
ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL ME FOR MY HAT?!?!
##Vote Remilia Scarlet
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Master, am I pretty to you? Be honest.
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##Unvote
##Vote Youmu Konpaku
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Alright, I've finally finished making my notes so far :V
Anyhow... Remilia seems to me to be a townie who has trouble dealing with pressure (I've had a lot of experience with that) in my opinion. Gardna is... I'm having trouble reading him as one way or the other (I'm bad at reading people :ohdear:). I don't much like Ayumu due to the fact that even if it's RVS, you give a reason, you don't just pile on your vote and then run. Reg looks... augh. Just... Reg is affirming RVS reasoning and doing nothing better and that's just terrible.
##Unvote: Shiba
##Vote: Reg
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We've just started and already some of the ghouls are returning to their graves. Just claim your inner darkness and Hakurouken will remove all your confusion.
Well, the meanie asked for a little blurb to go along with my vote, so I added one? Really, choosing Touhous in a touhou forum isn't really getting creative in your choices.
Either way, I did provide some reason other than Necro who said that there are no reasons for RVS votes.
I refuse to answer this due to your confusion being entertaining to me :3
Warning - choo choo i'm a train
Uhhh, yeah, people should talk more I suppose?
Just think of Youmu as an undead Ghostbuster and the choice is clear. I'm going to keep being a meanie to you if you keep being so fluffy. All of your votes should have little blurbs that go along with them. The rest of us call those reasons and they're important for knowing what you're thinking. Speaking of what you're thinking. Does that line about Necro mean you like/hate him or are you just going to keep defending yourself and hoping people go away if you're quiet enough? I want to hear more about what you think of other people.
I didn't try and point out that I was worse, but I was trying to ask Youmu why he thought Ayumu was worse than me, which I did not understand clearly until the next few exchanges. As for reasons and RVS, give me an actual reason for any post in this particular RVS. Also, tell me why my views on RVS and reasons are particularly scummy. I can understand if you find my reasons for voting Youmu absurd, but not agreeing with my way of phrasing stuff isn't valid in itself.
Ayumu's answer seems like an empty answer to an empty question, and it seems like any other post in RVS, except that the vote and the blurb constitute two votes instead of one. I'm interested in how Youmu finds this particularly 'sketchy and evasive'.
So you understand the reason clearly but you're still asking the same stupid question? You've developed a case of tunnel-vision over a vote on someone you seem to think is null. True fact: RVS is not random. A small percentage of the posters will be just trying to fit in hoping no one notices them. Finding that small percentage can be as easy as one nervous post. Your viewpoint to me is wrong and uninteresting. Please get a real vote soon or die easy like the rest of the zombie hordes.
I feel that you're misrepresenting Necro Gardna there.
You accuse Necro Gardna of defending Ayumu.
Yet, to me, it looks like Necro Gardna was simply questioning you on why you found Ayumu to be more awful.
Why do you try to spin this into a chainsaw defense on Necro Gardna's part?
Why do you like Arcueid?
Why are you assuming Necro Gardna has innocent intentions? His vote on me was based around asking why Ayumu and not him. It is a defense, the kind a Necro Gardna is good at, direct blocking with their own body. Do you know something about Necro I don't, you jagaimo shi? As for why I like Arc? I'm not going to explain my town reads to you. Why do you care? Hoping to get a handbook on how to look town? Cause you're failing pretty hard right now to me. Your next post better contain some opinions on the rest of the zombies.
Cut by Jagaimo shi thinking this is still RVS. Get cut zombie. Why is there only one vote to go around?
Remilia needs to vote again or I will strangle her. You've gotten your response, what do you think now? Leaning towards agreeing about the townie under pressure, but it's not free rein to continue voteless shenanigans.
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Remilia looks like terrible town under pressure to me. I've been there before, and so I'm not convinced that what she's doing right now comes from a scum mindset.
Reg Shoe blithely waltzes in, concise to the point of not giving reasons for his vote. Planning on riding out the bandwagon? Vote stays.
Remilia's lack of a Vote shows she's got no scumhunting direction. You can't convince me that you think someone is scum without a vote to back it up. If Remilia doesn't think Ayumu is scum, then she's not scumhunting but waffling the suspicion.
Reg is affirming RVS reasoning and doing nothing better and that's just terrible.
Misrep and votepark. Sid's post before mine already pointed out what was wrong with Remilia's content. There's no need for me to repeat it, hence why I said Remilia is still a terrible character. I gave my Opinion on what the rest of the players were talking about and said it was all being silly.
Necro starting the fight with Youmu looks weak. Now they're Arguing for the sake of arguing and it's silly. I want to hear from the people voting Necro and Youmu to restate what's scummy about them. And at the start of all this, I don't find what Ayumu did scummy. She did something that led to RVS ending and rolled with it. It's a null tell to me.
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I disagree on the Remilia point (I'm looking back at a game where I was newbtown and I did the exact same thing), but in any case that's up to Remilia to follow up on in light of new posts. Is the lack of a vote the main reason you're voting her?
I do agree that Ayumu's initial vote on Remilia is a null tell, but I think the main point against him right now is his lack of content since then aside from a few weak snipes.
Meanwhile, I'm staring holes into Bogmire's #87. I didn't know you could pack so many waffles and weak asides into one post. He'd probably be a secondary or tertiary vote target.
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Basically, I went after Youmu because I didn't understand why she went after Ayumu (for 3rd vote on bandwagon) as opposed to me (for 4th vote on the bandwagon), which I thought was scummy due to lack of consistency. After that, I did not buy the reason that Ayumu was more sketchy and evasive solely because he supposedly answered Meanie's question 'wrongly' and effectively split her reason and vote into two posts, hence the back-and-forth which I don't really want to continue right now, with all this activity. Though I still don't agree with Youmu at all, I suppose people are right about this becoming trivial. It was all based on what I saw as inconsistency in reasoning between two people. So yeah... Also completely missed the dimension of Ayumu changing her vote from someone else to Remilia (which I thought was nullish myself).
##Unvote
Everything about Ayumu, Remillia, etc. has been said. I don't particularly care for the Remilia case myself since a blank unvote is just a small mistake. She just seems to have some potential in her Ayumu case, and certainly seems to be trying to play the game. In comparison, Ayumu, while having a RVS philosophy I totally agree with, doesn't have a case after so many posts, which is the worst offence town can ever commit. She needs a case on someone.
##Vote: Ayumu
Bogmire, if you have taken down notes, can you give us a peek on what you have seen? Also, why do you prefer voting Reg as opposed to Ayumu? Like Shiba, I find your post and vote somewhat opportunistic and empty.
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##Unvote:Reg
Lemme just say that I genuinely misinterpreted that as RVS reasoning, not realizing you were going with previously stated reasoning. :V
Anyhow, when I say "notes" I mostly mean "a listing of things people said" so it's really a summary of posting. :V
Anyhow, like I said, I had misunderstood his post and that's why I thought he was worse, but yeah. Could definitely stand to hear more from Ayumu, and that last post (#80) slightly confused me.
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Gonna start hurting people if everyone keeps unvoting and not voting someone else.
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Master, why are they referring to Mr. Ayumu as female?
Mr. Ayumu isn't a girl like Munak!
Mr. Ayumu definitely isn't as pretty as Munak!
...Right master?
...Right?...
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Miss Youmu, I believe that this has been brought up already but I feel that I have not heard a decent response from you in regards to it.
"Not being creative" was a non answer. It felt evasive. Are you planning to tell me that you were just as evasive and sketchy? Do you truly see no difference between your response and their's? Your first joke was amusing, but too many of them will wear rather thin.
Mr. Ayumu's vote was most likely a random vote.
Munak is wondering how you can feel that somebody was being evasive in regards to a random vote.
When you addressed Munak's earlier post you ignored the important part of what I had to say, miss Youmu.
Can you please tell Munak how Necro Gardna was defending Ayumu by questioning your logic?
Because, with what you said about Necro Gardna's defense being a 「why X but not me」, that does not appear to be a defense to Munak at all.
Instead, to me, it looks as though Necro Gardna is questioning why you attack Mr. Ayumu for one thing but not Necro Gardna.
Munak thinks that, if miss Youmu was truly trying to find scum, miss Youmu would indeed bring up the same point on both Mr. Ayumu and Necro Gardna.
Why do you not do this, miss Youmu, and instead attack Necro Gardna for supposedly defending Mr. Ayumu?
And miss Youmu, why do you question me about whether or not I know anything about Necro Gardna (I don't, I just think that Necro Gardna raises a valid point in regards to your vote on Ayumu and reasoning) when you yourself proclaim Lady Arcueid as town with no explanation?
Do you know anything we don't about Lady Arcueid, miss Youmu?
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Bog what the hell? No, seriously, your post is exceedingly awful. Fix it. NOW. With a strange little magic called a VOTE. Those are nice. You know, ACTUAL OPINIONS are too. Just sayan.
Munak, you're acting dumb. Let's take your awful premises down line by line.
1. Ayumu's vote was likely a random vote. Sure.
2. The original vote wasn't evasive. THE REASONING FOR THE VOTE WAS. "Not being creative" is a horrible reason after being pressed. It would have made a lot more town sense had Ayumu said it was a random vote.
3. No, I didn't ignore it, you're just being too tunneldumb to see when someone answers you.
4. Already. Answered. Read my posts, please.
5. Then you're quite simply unable to comprehend the english language and I can't do much for you.
6. Yes. Can you explain how that's NOT a defense in your magical land of incorrectness?
7. Youmu Konpaku thinks that, if Munak were actually reading the same game she was, she'd realize that Ayumu and Gardna did not act in the same manner.
8. Already explained. Read my posts, please.
9. And Miss Munak, why do you question me about why I press you on Necro when instead you could simply answer in a similar fashion to my own? Why are you deflecting, Miss Munak?
10. Yeah, that she's far better at reading comprehension than you'll ever hope to be.
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Master...!
Stop feeding Munak so that Munak can talk!
You're going to make Munak fat!
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Munak is going to ignore miss Youmu's hostilities, even if it pains Munak.
Munak questions you when Munak could have answered in a similar fashion to your own because Munak believes that doing that would simply lead to the discussion going around in circles.
Miss Youmu's response has been noted and Munak will post Munak's thoughts on the game once master stops bullying Munak.
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I just simple chose Remilia because I liked the Youmu pick over than the Remilia pick.
I still don't find that a good reason, but I can deal with it for now.
The fact that you had to be asked for a reason the first time and then asked another time on a reason for a reason for voting seems a bit scummy to me. If you wanted to vote me over Youmu despite us being candidates for your reason. The state that point loud and clear. Even if you said something like "I would rather vote Remilia then Youmu though."
##Vote: Ayumu
I'm still not convinced enough.
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I still don't find that a good reason, but I can deal with it for now.
##Vote: Ayumu
I'm still not convinced enough.
??? Could you elaborate on the reason for your vote? I'm not sure I understand.
Also, do you have any reads on other people?
Anyhow, like I said, I had misunderstood his post and that's why I thought he was worse, but yeah. Could definitely stand to hear more from Ayumu, and that last post (#80) slightly confused me.
Mmhmm, who do you think is scum? Also, that's a rather quick backtrack on Shoe. Not hard to "misunderstand" Shoe when he posts a no-content one-liner, so why are you clearing him so easily?
##Unvote
##Vote: Bogmire
Still think that Shoe is taking one aspect of Remilia (the unvote) and blowing it out of proportion, when there are other things that could be said about her (stuff that people like Sid have touched on), but I'm going to need some other info first~
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EBWOP: Unless your initial reasoning for voting Shoe was something other than I'm thinking, in which case scratch that last question I suppose. First question still stands though.
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EBWOP: To clarify on my last paragraph, it feels like Shoe is saying the equivalent of "An unvote! U SCUM! Also what everyone else said."
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The fact that you had to be asked for a reason the first time and then asked another time on a reason for a reason for voting seems a bit scummy to me. If you wanted to vote me over Youmu despite us being candidates for your reason. The state that point loud and clear. Even if you said something like "I would rather vote Remilia then Youmu though."
This was the reason for my vote.
And the first sentence was talking about the reason for voting me. The last line was about him not convincing me that he was town.
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So your reason for voting him is because he was slow to give a reason for his RVS vote? Do I have this right?
Also, do you have any reads on other people?
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Yes. As it's "possible" he's stalling.
Also sorry I musn't of read that line.
I think most of you guys are currently leaning town.
So far the most suspicious to me are Ayumu and Necro.
Necro to me is almost neutral but leaning ever so slightly to scum.
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Hmm, okay. I'll let Ayumu address that point himself if he ever decides to show up. Why is Necro suspicious to you?
Don't be put off by all the questions; I'm just trying to get you know you better. :blush:
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Necro is suspicious to me because of all the reasons he used. Pretty much all of them could be summed up as "RVS and reasons" like everybody said.
His posts just seem like fluff to me and I think he needs to put something concrete down.
But IMO he seems a bit better now so that's why he's more neutral to me.
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*Tug*Tug*
Did you miss me? Because I missed you!
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...Master...You haven't been with Mr. Ayumu...Have you?
Master only has eyes for Munak...Right?
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Munak doesn't care about the RVS because it's RVS.
The first meaningful discussion comes from lady Arcueid and miss Youmu in regards to Necro Gardna's vote being the fourth on mistress Remilia's wagon.
Munak regards this as null for the time being, though more information on Necro Gardna is required.
Munak doesn't understand how miss Youmu is able to glean her reads on mistress Remilia from random votes and flavor responses.
Why was mistress Remilia's comment about spring odd?
Munak also wonders about whether or not miss Youmu found the other votes that had a single line accompanying them odd as well.
Mr. Barret sums up Munak's thoughts regarding miss Youmu's behavior in #75.
In regards to miss Youmu's latest post, Munak is still wondering.
Munak feels that Mr. Ayumu's reasoning was equivalent to saying that it was a random vote at the time.
Munak is curious about why miss Youmu seems to want to push this point so much.
As far as Munak can see both Necro Gardna and Mr. Ayumu, as well as many other people, voted randomly with very little reasoning.
Munak believes that all random votes are the same.
Can miss Youmu please explain to Munak how Mr. Ayumu and Necro Gardna's behaviours were different?
Oh, and miss Youmu. In #88 miss Youmu said that Munak still thinks that it is the RVS stage.
Munak thought that the RVS was over.
Munak simply has had bad experiences with humans trying to kill Munak for her hat.
Munak would appreciate if hats were not mentioned anymore.
And one final thing that Munak would like to say to miss Youmu is that Munak would appreciate it if miss Youmu would speak with a softer tone.
Munak gets upset when anybody that isn't master is angry.
Count von Count brings up a good point in regards to Mr. Ayumu.
Munak believes that it would be nice if Mr. Ayumu would respond to Count von Count's #66.
Munak wonders about Corporal Shoe.
If everybody is being silly as Corporal Shoe says, can Corporal Shoe enlighten Munak and the others on what is not silly?
Munak likes Corporal Shoe but Munak would appreciate if Corporal Shoe could be more willing to share Corporal Shoe's opinions without being questioned about them.
Munak thinks that mistress Remilia looks bad, but Munak does not think that mistress Remilia is at the point where mistress Remilia is looking scummy.
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Remilia looks like terrible town under pressure to me. I've been there before, and so I'm not convinced that what she's doing right now comes from a scum mindset.
Reg Shoe blithely waltzes in, concise to the point of not giving reasons for his vote. Planning on riding out the bandwagon? Vote stays.
Are you saying that voting twice in RVS is anti-town? I hope that's really not your reason for voting Ayumu.
Ayumu: So, is your Remilia vote a serious one now?
And how is it different form what you did?
??? Could you elaborate on the reason for your vote? I'm not sure I understand.
Also, do you have any reads on other people?
Mmhmm, who do you think is scum? Also, that's a rather quick backtrack on Shoe. Not hard to "misunderstand" Shoe when he posts a no-content one-liner, so why are you clearing him so easily?
##Unvote
##Vote: Bogmire
Still think that Shoe is taking one aspect of Remilia (the unvote) and blowing it out of proportion, when there are other things that could be said about her (stuff that people like Sid have touched on), but I'm going to need some other info first~
So you voting him cause he misunderstand something that you even said could be easy misunderstood?
##Unvote
##Vote: Kūkaku Shiba
To be honest I can't help but wonder about your priorities. First you say in your Reply #90 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692660.html#msg692660): ?He'd probably be a secondary or tertiary vote target.? Only to make him first priority a bit later, just for a ?misunderstanding?? Are you really that desperate?
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Oh jagaimo shi, all of these questions sound really familiar. You're asking the same things Necro Gardna asked earlier. Go refer to those answers to your questions. Including how random voting isn't and how two people never react the same to something. I dislike repeating myself immensely. Your repost for the master is alot of repeating what other people have said and it's not good enough for me. What good point does the Count bring up against Ayumu? What information are you looking for from Necro Gardna? Who exactly out of the people you brought up do you suspect as rotten zombies?
As for the softer tone, I'm afraid there is no off switch for this aggression. Not forcing me to repeat myself will help keep my enlightened wrath from striking you.
Remilia. Some basic math should tell you eleven other people can't be town aligned. The way you phrase your suspicions isn't very clear. I'd appreciate if you find at least one more person to be suspicious of.
Tending the gardens and cooking Lady Yuyuko's seventeen course meal has left me exhausted. Let there be more contents when I rise! No, not that way!
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@Arcuied: I can agree with your answer, but even still I'm not willing to clear her out just yet.
Uhhh, are you asking me "Why me and not X?"
In fact, it seems the only reason you find my reason stupid is because it can apply to both you and Youmu.
If you want a true answer to the random unvote revote, simple. RVS Stage, pile votes on someone, and people will talk. I just simple chose Remilia because I liked the Youmu pick over than the Remilia pick.
@Ayumu: This still does not show your opinion on anyone. Your opinions on others?
...We require more vespene gas information.
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There's been a lot of activity, but I really don't a good feeling about many of the posts. I'll address that later.
What I would immediately like to draw attention to is Ayumu's lastest response, particularly:
If you want a true answer to the random unvote revote, simple. RVS Stage, pile votes on someone, and people will talk. I just simple chose Remilia because I liked the Youmu pick over than the Remilia pick.
This would have been perfectly acceptable if you had said this to start with, in fact, I still have no problem with this even after you gave a joke reason as a substitute (A.k.a "Remilia's jokevote reason wasn't creative enough" [btw can we stop harping on this? It's incredibly distracting]). I have but one major problem. This sentence still stands, as yet unanswered for:
Either way, I did provide some reason other than Necro who said that there are no reasons for RVS votes.
Here you are using your jokevote reason, a reason which isn't the "true" reason you voted, to slander someone else. (Oddly enough this might be translated to "Why me and not X?" by some of the less scrupulous players). I find the intent to be strictly malicious, and I have no qualms about your lynch.
I would still like to know what exactly you were trying to imply with that jumble of words you came up with. I'll repeat it so you understand completely.
Either way, I did provide some reason other than Necro who said that there are no reasons for RVS votes.
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Ayumu Aikawa (5): Count von Count, Mean Ghost Girl, Youmu Konpaku, Necro Gardna, Remilia Scarlet (L-3)
Remilia Scarlet (3): Reg Shoe, Ayumu Aikawa, Sid Barett
Youmu Konpaku (2): Pamela Ibis, Munak
Bogmire (1): Kūkaku Shiba
Kūkaku Shiba (1): Elizabeth Bathory
Necro Gardna (1): Arcueid Brunestud
Not Voting: Bogmire
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. There are currently ~25 hours left in the day. Better not waste them~
Pamela Ibis has been prodded.
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Pamela needs to exist more. Arcueid and Bogmire should post to update their reads and vote (for the latter).
Ayumu's Remilia vote is silly. It was RVS. People that call the vote scummy are making a fuss out of nothing. People that are arguing about it aren't scumhunting. Necro, Youmu and Munak have generated enough noise for scum to lurk through it.
At this stage, Ayumu is voteparking on Remilia. No update of opinions, no initiative to pressure people and thus no scumhunting. Who are your scumpicks? If you can't name anyone, why not?
Remilia has not improved at all and her vote is weak. She's harping on a RVS null-reason instead of what's scummy about Ayumu.
##Unvote
##Vote Ayumu (L-2)
Remilia isn't popular enough to get lynched today. The 25 or so hours left in the day does not equate to time available for dragging your feet. MotK Town needs to stop thinking 'Oh deadline is still so far away, we can wait for people to show up at their leisure'. Votes need to be consolidated now.
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I don't see much interesting to respond to but Reg is right we need to consolidate.
People I want dead:
Ayumu - Weird gaffe in RVS followed by insistence on having "reasoning" for voting Remilia earlier, most notably providing nothing else.
Bogmire - The unvote and IIoA was horrible. I remember nothing of worth from Bog.
Necro (kind of) - I'm...not actually too sure here. Necro feels *weird*, but I can't put my finger on it yet. Will need to reread him at some point.
Remilia - Early bad gut vibes, reinforced by a general non existence except to give the most minimalist of stances that can hardly be qualified as pro town.
Keeping vote on Ayumu since, well, they're both most likely to be lynched right now and most likely to be scum.
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Oddly enough I really liked that Reg post. I completely agree with everything actually (although I'm throwing away the first sentence).
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I misinterpreted Reg in that I thought he was simply still using RVS reasoning for keeping his vote on Remilia, I didn't realize he was just agreeing with the already stated reasoning.
Gardna has taken a rather... confusing stance. He does seem to be overexplaining the whole "It's RVS, you don't need a real reason" part, but I'm not sure if that's actively trying to make up for lack of content, or if it's just trouble with explaining.
Ayumu is looking pretty bad to me, what with no posts that have given opinions or reads, and a general lack of posting content as well (in fact, I haven't seen any content being posted that wasn't answering a question). I'm willing to vote Ayumu except I'm not sure putting them at L-1 already is such a good idea.
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Bog! Do you have any suspects outside of Ayumu? Because seriously, your lack of a stance whatsoever all day is irritating me. My hand is on my sword.
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No, I do not currently have any major suspects other than Ayumu.
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Count #66 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692382.html#msg692382)
*Ayumu chainsaws [REDACTED]self in half*
QQ, I am stoopid, lynch me please. In seriousness, that was stupid of me, and I have no idea what I was thinking.
Remilia 103 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692859.html#msg692859)
Stalling? Think of this situation. If the towniest thing to do in RVS is to randomvote and leave it there, and everyone is voting a different person in a giant circle except for me. If I were "stalling", then the most sensible thing for me to accomplish that would be a) Not vote anyone at all or b) Vote the last person so everyone has 1 vote. Instead, I moved off someone who had 1 vote (mine) and moved it to someone else who had multiple votes (you). I'm doing the opposite of what you're accusing me of, by moving someone closer to lynch thus forcing people to be more active and talkative. This should also answer anything concerning my unvote revote.
The only qualms I currently have with Remi are these quotes:
I wasn't the only one who did that.
Why vote me for not being creative by picking a touhou character and not even mention Youmu at all?
Looks like a "Why me and not X."
##Unvote
Reg's 76 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692437.html#msg692437) is just the silliest post I've seen so far. Walking in without saying much at all. Your [ur=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692644.html#msg692644]follow up[/url] isn't much convincing, since you didn't give so much as a clue that that's what your post was doing. Saying everything is silly is just an easy way to throw out something and saying it's an opinion. Other than that initial post, you're looking alright though.
Bogmire, however, is just.... I just found out what was wrong with his post 87 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692574.html#msg692574)! It's pretty much an exact replicate of Shiba's posts. His next post is just sucking up to Reg. In fact, now he looks like he's just following popular opinion and trying to hide out of site!
##Vote Bogmire
Sid, what happened to everyone else? Why are you focused on me? Did I suddenly turn into a magnet or something?
Cut by 8 people
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh
I didn't change vote from Remilia at my last post because I wanted the "Why me over X" thing to be responded to.
Bog is still waffling!
GOD THIS POST TOOK ME HOURS YOU HAPPY PEOPLE?!
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I did a reread to try and solidify my opinions. Besides Ayumu, I have problems with Remilia and Shiba, and Gardna's vote. Remilia's case against her is pretty straight forward and I don't feel like rehashing it.
Shiba I'd be willing to put as 2nd scum. I can't seem to remember her ever giving an opinion on Ayumu of her own.
I do agree that Ayumu's initial vote on Remilia is a null tell, but I think the main point against him right now is his lack of content since then aside from a few weak snipes.
Meanwhile, I'm staring holes into Bogmire's #87. I didn't know you could pack so many waffles and weak asides into one post. He'd probably be a secondary or tertiary vote target.
I think Shiba is avoiding the issue by acknowledging both his "lack of content" and "a few weak snipes," yet not determining whether it's scummy or not. Considering that these are the "main points" against him, it doesn't follow to me that Shiba is willing to declare a small thing like Ayumu's initial vote to be a null tell but go no further than that. In this regard, Shiba's vote is a vote-park and I applaud Bathory for bringing this up (Would you like a cookie made of virgin's blood?).
So Shiba, what do you think of Aymumu?
Necro's vote is based on a false dicotomy:
Everything about Ayumu, Remillia, etc. has been said. I don't particularly care for the Remilia case myself since a blank unvote is just a small mistake. She just seems to have some potential in her Ayumu case, and certainly seems to be trying to play the game. In comparison, Ayumu, while having a RVS philosophy I totally agree with, doesn't have a case after so many posts, which is the worst offence town can ever commit. She needs a case on someone.
##Vote: Ayumu
Is this a vote based off of lack of cases rather than scumminess?
Cut by Ayumu! Reading now!
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Gonna start hurting people if everyone keeps unvoting and not voting someone else.
##Unvote
;)
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Reads for the Reads god:
Ayumu: So... Got an excuse for literally not doing jack shit? This is really far too little too late and not impressive at all. Reads as if you're shooting for Bogmire out of a desperate attempt to get the wagon off of you rather than actually thinking their scummy. Yes, Bogmire is doing pretty awfully and trying to stay inconspicious. You are doing the exact same by expressing grievances on Bogmire that are nothing new and acting like this is some huge revelation. Also you've never actually mentioned Bogmire before but you act like you were totally watching him.
This along with the revelation you've been capable of posting but very literally have not in favor of trying to pick apart one sentence from your jokevote who is gaining support to be lynched makes me think you're rather literally the worst scum player I have ever met. I'd be willing to hammer you at this juncture.
Remilia and Bogmire are both chickens of the same wing. Both seem to be sticking along with public opinion, less because they're trying to desperately pull their asses out of the fire by trying to abuse gaining annoyance with another player like Ayumu, and more because they seriously don't know what the fuck. I'd really prefer -not- to lynch them at this juncture because they're relatively harmlessly stupid, but I would especially like Bogmire especially to pull himself the fuck together tommorow.
I'm not a fan of Shoe. He seems to be holding too much onto blank townie things to say, exactly like his 'We need to buckle down and LYNCH' in his last post. It's true but it feels like it makes up more of his posts than actual scumhunting and doing things. His earlier posts really give no character as well, seeming to mostly be hanging onto his RVS vote because it still seems viable. Not necessarily full blown scummy, but I'm not really liking him.
Necro has effectively not changed and instead just jumped on a wagon stating 'What everyone else said'. I don't necessarily disagree that Ayumu spending almost no attention to his vote target is a bad thing, but it feels like a half-cocked vote that he intends to ride away on. I still don't like him from before, and I intend to vote him again tommorow if he continues just riding away here instead of coming back in to say god damn something. Want him lynched, still.
Count, I only have one complaint for you. Please stop looking at everyone cross-eyed once they say something and don't necessarily add 'this is scummy' to the end of it. Implications and expectations that people can sometimes get what is being said is kind of a norm, and you're picking a bit much here. Despite that, I'm getting good feelings from you.
Sid seems to be throwing questions around and I'm somewhat incapable of getting where his reads are other than 'REMILIA IS SCUM'. I'd like it if he stopped playing interrogation and state something so we can actually understand -him-.
Everyone else seems mostly fine to me, at the moment, and I can't really find anything I really want to comment or say about them. I'm kind of annoyed Pamela is just now getting prodded seeing as they've been absent for a vast majority of the game.
*Cut by Pamela:
You've literally been absent the entire game. I'd do something other than be a smartass, or people might get incredibly aggravated with you. I'm expecting you're writing up a post as I speak, but still.
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PAMELA! Good of you to join us! You know what would be awesome? ACTUAL CONTENT. Pamela has risen to my needs to die list.
Cut by Arc, nothing dissagreeable
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Hi Master......*Yawn*....
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Mr. Ayumu, do you have nothing else to say about what Mr. Ayumu said in #59?
Munak wonders why Mr. Ayumu finds Corporal Shoe to look fine.
Mr Ayumu's short paragraph on Corporal Shoe looks like a waffle to Munak. Can Munak eat it?
Miss Youmu asks Munak some questions.
The point that Count von Count brought up that Munak was wondering about was how Mr. Ayumu tried to make it sound like Mr. Ayumu had given a valid reason for Mr. Ayumu's RVS vote.
Mr. Ayumu's switch between emphasizing Mr. Ayumu's vote as random and then stating that Mr. Ayumu had a reason confuses Munak.
Munak likes to kill things that confuse Munak.
Munak wonders what Necro Gardna thinks of everybody that isn't miss Youmu, Mr. Ayumu, or mistress Remilia.
Munak doesn't like how Necro Gardna hasn't posted in a while.
Munak dislikes Mr. Ayumu and Corporal Shoe and miss Youmu to a lower extent.
Munak would change Munak's vote to Mr. Ayumu to reflect this but Munak hadn't been counting the votes at the time and Munak feared placing Mr. Ayumu near lynch too early.
So Munak will do this instead!
##FoS Ayumu Aikawa
Munak wants to play with Master now but Munak will be back later with more words.
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And how is it different form what you did?
How is it different? Did you read his post? Shoe's first post essentially came in and gave everyone the middle finger. "I don't need to tell you my reasons or give my reads!" How is that similar to what I did?
So you voting him cause he misunderstand something that you even said could be easy misunderstood?
Nope! That's not the reason for my vote. The quick backtrack on Shoe indicates that his initial reasoning for the vote was incredibly weak, in which case I'd wonder why he voted Shoe over Ayumu. I realized this he actually admitted this after I typed that up, which I clarified in the post immediately following. In which case my case became centered on the essence of nothing in his posts.
To be honest I can't help but wonder about your priorities. First you say in your Reply #90 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692660.html#msg692660): ?He'd probably be a secondary or tertiary vote target.? Only to make him first priority a bit later, just for a ?misunderstanding?? Are you really that desperate?
Desperate? I think this section of post answers itself, really. Secondary or tertiary target -> Shoe looks better -> Bogmire looks worse --> ??? --> Profit. The "misunderstanding" point is largely irrelevant, like I said above.
In any case, I took the liberty of browsing through Bathory's iso. There's a notable lack of opinions on Ayumu there (or Remilia, or any of the other targets of discussion), care to share?
Shiba I'd be willing to put as 2nd scum. I can't seem to remember her ever giving an opinion on Ayumu of her own.
I think Shiba is avoiding the issue by acknowledging both his "lack of content" and "a few weak snipes," yet not determining whether it's scummy or not. Considering that these are the "main points" against him, it doesn't follow to me that Shiba is willing to declare a small thing like Ayumu's initial vote to be a null tell but go no further than that. In this regard, Shiba's vote is a vote-park and I applaud Bathory for bringing this up (Would you like a cookie made of virgin's blood?).
So Shiba, what do you think of Aymumu?
You're right, I hadn't determined whether it was scummy or not. Because it's not scummy in and of itself! I was actually waiting for Ayumu to respond to my question, but he took fucking forever. And you know what? At this point I think he's more likely to be terrible town instead of scum. Not really in the scum MO to kick off a bandwagon in RVS with an empty vote and the lurk out the rest of the day to get a wagon started on themselves, is it? I would also invoke meta here, but this is an anonymous game, so.
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Welp, Ayumu just tried to throw away a big part of my case against him. Well... I still have to go by what's posted and hold you accountable. Otherwise the rest of your post seems like throwaway comments that don't change my opinion of you.
Might as well comment on a few others.
Sid: My first impression is that his posts go in the right direction, although the questions asked are nitpicky and somewhat reportary in many cases and I really can't see where the majority of them are leading to. Still I can find no scum intent in anything so far.
Munak + Youmu sparring: Er. This feels like a town vs town fight, but I'd like to express that I find almost all of Munak's concerns addressed to Youmu as either baseless, or already well answered for by Youmu herself. At this point, it is noise, but luckily no one has been paying it much attention. (Also Youmu, you *could* show a little more humility)
Arcueid: I orginally thought you looked bad earlier, but since then I have mostly felt good vibes from your posts. I am still going to lean neutral though. I feel you are coming a little too harshly onto Ayumu, but the sentiment is fully justified. Also, If I say something like "you are scummy," I do so only so others can clearly know my stances, they're not simply empty words adding anything to my argument.
cut by Munak. Well, Ayumu should answer this himself, although I'm not quite holding that against him. It's that he used his random jokevote reason in conjunction with sniping Necro, which is unacceptable to me.
cut by Shiba. I have to disagree since I think "it was scummy in an of itself" (mostly the snipes) but your opinion is noted and I'm thankful for that. I also understand that the blood queen hasn't said much else either, and I am looking forward to a dialogue between you two. Also I must express my concerns that everyone seems to want an Ayumu lynch, but I am hoping that that is just a reasonable town at work trying to lynch the player that seems most likely to be scum. (One can always hope right?).
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cut by Shiba. I have to disagree since I think "it was scummy in an of itself" (mostly the snipes) but your opinion is noted and I'm thankful for that.
Haha, let me clarify on that point. I think that bad play is scummy in the sense that bad play is always scummy, but bad play doesn't necessarily indicate someone is scum. In this case I think Ayumu is just a bad player, and I've seen him do similar things as town in previous games.
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Guh. Still not really happy with why Remilia's voting Ayumu. But, ah well, I still don't like Ayumu, and getting the lynch is getting the lynch, I suppose... further scrutiny on this matter can come after we've got some nice, solid flips to work with. I dislike Day 1's lack of information in all forms, but... I digress.
Munak's speech style makes it difficult for me to process her words in more then direct meaning. Bleh. In other news, I'm going to hide thumbtacks in Pamela's shoes while she sleeps so that maybe she'll be a little more awake tomorrow, and able to actually DO SOMETHING. Provided she hasn't been removed by then from any various means, of course.
Elizabeth, why hello! It's nice to see you've got some opinions on our Kukaku Shiba. But, you didn't say a single word about anyone or anything else. Not a single one at all. I do not like this tunneling you're doing. Any more thoughts you'd like to share, please?
I see Ayumu has made a real post, now. It's... better! I'm still not consoled with his earlier actions, but I'm willing to move on for the moment, with the knowledge that I WILL definitely be returning by deadline to move my vote to wherever it may be needed.
##Unvote
##Vote:Elizabeth Bathory
Not only are you tunnelling, Elizabeth, but I don't think your case holds water either. Here's a link to the post you made it in (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693010.html#msg693010), as it contains quotes that won't carry over into a new quote.
Now, honestly, I don't really see the connections you're making with your first two sentences and why they're scummy. I went back and looked over Kukaku's previous posts and didn't find the things you were accusing him of doing to have happened in any scummy manner. I'll go a bit more indepth about the last paragraph.
So you voting him To be honest I can't help but wonder about your priorities. First you say in your Reply #90 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692660.html#msg692660): ?He'd probably be a secondary or tertiary vote target.? Only to make him first priority a bit later, just for a ?misunderstanding?? Are you really that desperate?
He didn't just change his mind out of the blue or anything. Bogmire had made another post where he unvoted Reg Shoe, passed off the vote as an accidental mistake, didn't vote anyone else, and didn't provide any more opinion on anything. Those things are all kinds of terrible, and now that I remember Bogmire exists, I'm not enjoying him either. Not only that, but as Kukaku has said earlier, the one he had been already voting was looking better. More then enough had happened to completely justify unvoting his current target and shifting onto Bog.
I believe that your case is as empty as your voiced opinions on people not named Kukaku Shiba, and I am not happy with you in the slightest.
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Ayumu Aikawa (5): Count von Count, Youmu Konpaku, Necro Gardna, Remilia Scarlet, Reg Shoe (L-3)
Bogmire (2): Kūkaku Shiba, Ayumu Aikawa
Elizabeth Bathory (1): Mean Ghost Girl
Kūkaku Shiba (1): Elizabeth Bathory
Necro Gardna (1): Arcueid Brunestud
Remilia Scarlet (1): Sid Barett
Youmu Konpaku (1): Munak
Not Voting: Bogmire, Pamela Ibis
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. There are currently ~14 hours left in the day. Better not waste them~
Necro Gardna has been prodded.
The fact that I've already had to give out four prods when day one hasn't even ended yet is pretty disappointing. Don't be lame, guys.
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I'm going to hide thumbtacks in Pamela's shoes while she sleeps
Hee hee. I bet you're actually a big softie on the inside~.
Arcy is town! I know this because Youmu suddenly went and buddied up to her early in the game. Youmu is a big meanie head, and she needs to stop yelling at people.
People keep picking on Gardnie for falling in line with the day's main lynch, but everyone else is being nice to Bog and Remilia for doing the same thing. Is there really something different between those cases that I don't know about? Or does everyone just want to keep picking on him so Youmu doesn't yell at them? I don't think Gardnie is a bad person. It looks like he was just confused earlier.
I think Ayumu is trying way too hard to make "Why me and not X" into a hard scumtell. I don't see how Remilia was trying to deflect attention to Youmu. What I see is Remilia trying to ask you a question. the same kinda question Gardnie asked Youmu.
Kukakukeki is weird. I understand her vote for Bog has a good reason, but she spends more time talking about something that she immedietely retracts. I wanna know what she thinks her reasons are.
Also, count: please tell me what you mean by sniping! I checked my library, but all the books talk about are people with big guns.
I wanna bring Youmu over to full-death. It's much more fun here, and she really needs to loose up. But, it doesn't look like a lot of people agree with me on that. I think Ayumu should be our lynch because of what other people said, and because of what I said above.
##Vote: Ayumu
/me yawns
I'm getting tired...
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Remilia - reinforced by a general non existence except to give the most minimalist of stances that can hardly be qualified as pro town.
I'm still catching up but I wanted to quickly address that I get busy on weekdays and actually am eager to play mafia when I get home. So sorry for all the delays. Timezones don't help.
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Remilia. Some basic math should tell you eleven other people can't be town aligned. The way you phrase your suspicions isn't very clear. I'd appreciate if you find at least one more person to be suspicious of.
I never said that everyone else was town. I just said that they're looking townish to me. I haven't found anything really suspicious about them.
On to page 5.
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I forgot Bathory existed until the bleach bomb mummy and the other meanie mentioned it. It sure would be nice if you posted again to follow up your suspicion or I don't know SAY SOMETHING. There isn't enough content to get a read off of and I seriously hope they plan to fix this tomorrow. There are too many lurking souls in this graveyard! It will take hours to clean you all up.
Speaking of lurking souls the Ibis Trigger's response is annoying. I don't like being set up by someone who agrees with me on the surface. If yelling is the only way to force a response out of quiet zombies like you then I WILL BE LOUDER. Besides, Lady Yuyuko needs me to be committed. If you really want to come after me bring it with a vote and something better then being too loud.
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Welcome back Master, shall we be on our way?
We must continue, continue we must. You and I, we are great!
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Munak has quickly read through the topic again and Munak dislikes Bogmire's lack of anything.
Lady Bathory's lack of activity also annoys Munak.
And Mr. Ayumu's lack of activity.
And Necro Gardna's lack of activity.
... Can Munak eat all of them?
Miss Pamela's first real posts looks to Munak like a blatant wagon hop.
Munak notes that miss Pamela states that she wants miss Youmu to die fully but provides no reasoning at all for it.
Miss Pamela simply uses my precedent to write off miss Pamela's suspicions of miss Youmu.
That is, if miss Pamela really has any suspicions of miss Youmu.
Munak suspects that miss Pamela simply threw out that statement to make it appear as though miss Pamela has been doing more during this game than she really has.
##Unvote
##Vote Pamela Ibis
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Since everyone is busy being QUIET, which does nothing but help the scum, guess I'll just RAGE at my wagon to see why I'm being voted.
Count: He actually caught me doing something scummy. I see how it's scummy, I see why it's scummy, I ADMIT IT'S SCUMMY. *shrug* He's the only person I would accept a vote on me for now.
Necro Gardna: No case, everything else everyone said. ...
Remilia: ... ???
Reg: Vote me for not posting, while cutting me while posting, then straight out disappears.
Youmu: Weird gaffe in RVS followed by insistence on having "reasoning" for voting Remilia earlier, most notably providing nothing else.
Oh right, and I'll just agree with whatever Arc said.
Arc: Too little too late. (Expressed willingness to hammer. Not very encouraging)
Pamela: I think Ayumu is trying way too hard to make "Why me and not X" into a hard scumtell. I don't see how Remilia was trying to deflect attention to Youmu. What I see is Remilia trying to ask you a question. the same kinda question Gardnie asked Youmu.
And what other people said.
Ojou-sama: Updates on anything??? I'm giving you a newbie pass for trying!!!
Necro: How about appearing? Or shall I have to activate Imperial Iron Wall? Or having an opinion on anyone?
Reg: Why you disappear? Looks like a good scum position to just vote the largest bandwagon and get out of dodge to secure a mislynch.
Actually, looking at all these votes, almost all of them are "You. Post now." Then completely disappearing when I finally do post, or basically going "Too late, we're just going to lynch you anyways." Or just say "Everything's been said. I agree with X, etc."
tl;dr
WHY IS EVERYONE DISAPPEARING?! THIS IS ONLY HELPING SCUM BY ALLOWING TIME TO WASTE, SO EVEN WHEN A BETTER LYNCH IS FOUND EVERYONE WILL GO "MEH, NOBODY IS WILLING TO SWITCH SO WE'LL JUST LYNCH THIS GUY ANYWAYS." THIS IS ONLY HELPING SCUM! PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF MOE PEOPLE BE MORE ACTIVE, ESPECIALLY ON D1 FFS.
YOU'RE ALL SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Except Count.
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
ALSO, IF YOU GUYS WAIT FOR ME TO WAKE UP BEFORE LYNCHING ME I MIGHT ANSWER YOU ON WHAT GENDER I AM, BECAUSE WATCHING YOU GUYS BE CONFUSED IS STILL ENTERTAINING.
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*Panting*Master! How many times do I have to tell you! ....WAIT for me!
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Miss Pamela's first real posts looks to Munak like a blatant wagon hop.
Munak would like to correct Munak.
Munak was meant to say 「Miss Pamela's first real post looks to Munak like a blatant wagon hop.」
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He loves me, he loves me not..... OH! Didn't see you standing there *blush*
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Count: He actually caught me doing something scummy. I see how it's scummy, I see why it's scummy, I ADMIT IT'S SCUMMY. *shrug* He's the only person I would accept a vote on me for now.
Munak finds Mr. Ayumu's reasoning confusing.
Can Munak kill Mr. Ayumu yet?
Does Mr. Ayumu mean to say that eight different people should find eight different reasons on why Mr. Ayumu is scummy in order to have Mr. Ayumu lynched?
Does Mr. Ayumu's vote logic apply to Mr. Ayumu's own vote?
Hadn't Mr. Ayumu's point on Bogmire already been brought up by several other people before Mr. Ayumu made Mr. Ayumu's case and vote?
Munak also highly dislikes lady Bathory's post #107.
The post makes Munak feel bad.
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Ojou-sama: Updates on anything??? I'm giving you a newbie pass for trying!!!
Not really. As I'm so confused at the moment.
Also Youmu should really calm down.
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I find it hillarious that Ayumu of all people is raging at people for not saying things. There is throwing rocks in a glass house, and then there is lighting fuses covered in god damn dynamite. I am -thoroughly- not impressed with Ayumu's latest post that is essentially raging at the fact he has a wagon, along with laconic versions heavily skewed in favor of making his wagon look stupid. It both annoys and confuses the right fuck out of me why anyone would even post that mess. I'm still willing to vote for them, and if there are no objections to putting them at L-1, I might want to do that before I go back to my castle and wrap myself in chains because I have weird sleeping habbits.
Pamela's latest post...is well, I believe I agree it kind of looks like a blatant hop. It's basically a god damn cliffhanger to be continued on with for Day 2. As in, it literally reads as if they intend to sit on that vote until day 2 and then pull out some big fancy continuation. I find Day 1 as rather pointless and annoying as the rest, but I -really- hate people who try to skip entire days and set themselves up to actually start playing. I'm going to give you your presumed next post, but I expect to see that followed by many other actual posts, if you wish to remain on this im...whatever the fuck we're on coil.
Other than that, I don't have anything else of particular note at the moment. This would probably not be so if Gardna would get here and post, but I'm not about to say we should elongate the day to suit his turtle-like behavior.
*Cut by Remilia:
This reads less like trying and more 'eh this game is confusing, i'll just say they're town'. Please start trying. Eventually we're going to stop being interested in the fact that you're new and more interested in the fact you're not even trying to find scum because you're new.
I do agree Youmu needs to chill a bit, I think they're letting the fact people are being lazy this game get them too worked up.
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I am trying. I just get horribly confused at some points. Plus I have very bad memory and tend to forget most things after I read them.
I think Pamela's vote did seem like a bad wagon hop plus she still hasn't posted much at all. So she seems suspicious at the moment.
@mod: Can I request a votecount please?
Because if I can do math well, Day 1 should have already ended.
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EBWOP:No I can't do math well. I assumed that the time on the posts were in my time. So yeah don't listen to that sentence.
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Master, I want to be with you~
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Munak fears that Munak may have been slightly unclear about Munak's thoughts so Munak will direct a question to miss Pamela.
Miss Pamela, Munak is wondering why miss Pamela wanted miss Youmu to die.
Munak would appreciate some reasoning.
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Oh dear god, Pamela's latest post and vote is completely terrible.
I think Ayumu is trying way too hard to make "Why me and not X" into a hard scumtell. I don't see how Remilia was trying to deflect attention to Youmu. What I see is Remilia trying to ask you a question. the same kinda question Gardnie asked Youmu.
I wanna bring Youmu over to full-death. It's much more fun here, and she really needs to loose up. But, it doesn't look like a lot of people agree with me on that. I think Ayumu should be our lynch because of what other people said, and because of what I said above.
Not only did this RVS-level case become outdated as soon as Ayumu posted again and essentially dropped this point by unvoting Remilia, but I don't see any indication that you tried to update this case with Ayumu's latest vote. Then there's an attempt at a Youmu case based on her attitude. :getdown:
In any case, let's clarify the case on Bogmire, yes?
In his first content post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692574.html#msg692574), he makes a few side comments on Necro and Remilia, and dislikes Ayumu and Reg. He drops Reg soon after, and could "stand to hear more from Ayumu." Where are the scumreads? Where are the opinions? His next post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693077.html#msg693077) attempts to rectify this a little, but it's just what everyone else already said. As far as I'm concerned he has less content than friggin Ayumu at this stage.
Ayumu's latest response is facepalm worthy, but I don't think it's scummy. It looks more like general frustration at his wagon combined with an inability to make cases.
As for other people, I'm withholding judgement on Bathory until she follows up, but suffice to say I don't like her lack of content either. We also have a bunch of other lurkers; Sid, notably (because people seem to have forgotten him as opposed to the other lurkers), has a case on Remilia and almost nothing else (his next post is a query at Ayumu). Could you update your opinions Sid? I don't find you scummy, but I want to see how you've come along. There are way too many of you lurker jerks anyway (Necro and Shoe come to mind), so they can't all be scum; post more. I do have a gut vibe on someone else, but I don't think it's important enough to bring up today, and in any case I can always look into it tonight if it's still bothering me.
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Opening car doors isn't very fun, but yeah, I'm back and I shall promise continued activity from now on. Sorry for the wait.
Count, I consider not having any cases to be pretty much equivalent to scumminess myself. One can make bad, poorly-written cases with really out-there reasons and stuff like that, but at least that would show some townie intent in that he is trying to catch scum, especially if the observations he puts forward are original. But not having cases, and not committing himself to anything even though he clearly has the ability to do so, is the surest indicator of being apathetic to the town cause, and is therefore scummy no matter his actual alignment. Ayumu was one such example.
As for my opinions on her Bogmire case, there's a bit of irony there when he says that Bogmire is just copying Shiba's points, when in fact Ayumu is himself copying (and summarizing) from Shiba and Youmu, which does not really make sense. I want Ayumu to address this particular point.
Also, shooting everyone on her wagon is just bad, especially when she admits that Count caught her for doing something scummy, since everyone else is voting her for pretty much the exact same reasons, as Munak says. It's quite a null-tell in my opinion, this display of indignant rage, but still fairly disgusting. So disgusting I'm going to heap my weight to someone else just because I doubt scum would be doing this to attract attention at this stage of the game. I still do accept all that has been said against Ayumu, and am still willing to hammer, despite me going for the 'too scum to be scum' route, but I'd rather go for those who are more subtle.
While I'm neutral about Pamela's bandwagon hop by itself (since there can only be so many reasons to vote someone), I'm not happy with how a third of her content is committed to defending me when it is not called for (since I'm not in danger of a lynch today). Also, she says that people are picking on me for not being original on Ayumu (in fact, people are angry at me for not posting much) and being nice to Bog and Remillia, when people are being very hard on the latter two as well, which gives me the impression that she's not reading well. Lastly, if she's okay with people copying other people's cases with regards to Ayumu, why is she okay with the case on Ayumu, which is made up primarily of her vote on Bogmire being copied from others in the first place? She needs to clarify on which parts of Ayumu's case she agrees or disagrees with due to the above. Other than this, I just do not like the placatory tone of her post, even towards the person she wants lynched, since it seems aimed at lying low for awhile, which is what scum wants to do.
##Unvote
##Vote: Pamela Ibis
In other news, I'm not happy with how Sid's gigantic set of questions here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692426.html#msg692426) has fizzled out and led to nowhere, especially with regards to Youmu. He also needs to explain, at this point, why he still insists on picking Remi instead of Ayumu,, lest his vote seems more and more like a votepark. Someone to look at tomorrow.
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I do have a gut vibe on someone else, but I don't think it's important enough to bring up today, and in any case I can always look into it tonight if it's still bothering me.
Who might this gut read be on?
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Who might this gut read be on?
Ask me tomorrow if I'm still alive.
##Unvote
##Vote: Pamela Ibis
I like this lynch better than the Ayumu one.
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Why can't we know now?
Also I agree I would currently prefer a Pamela lynch over an Ayumu lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote: Pamela Ibis
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It would defeat the purpose.
Also, what happened to your Ayumu case; why did she suddenly become better to you?
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If by "she" you mean Pamela. Then it's because of the lack of posts, the blatant wagon hop the lack of content and the fact that she appears to be trying to lay low to avoid suspicion.
So instead of Ayumu being better it's more that Pamela is worse.
Also what purpose?
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Hmm, okay.
As for the other thing, stop asking. It's not important.
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I expect you to have that gut read in your first post on day 2 if you're still alive then.
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Shiba's switch is certainly telegraphed to some extent, but I'm quite weary of Remi's switch. Remi, what do you think of Ayumu's Bogmire vote, and how does it affect your opinion of Ayumu?
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I think it's quite a valid point. Also a reason why Bogmire seems suspicious to me too. It doessn't affect my opinion much it just makes Ayumu seem a little more town.
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I'll take that as an objection to me sleeping then. Goodie.
Necro: Please, PLEASE explain to me why 'too scummy to be scum' is such a -great- god damn reason that you want to shift the wagon onto someone who's intentions seem to thoroughly be to NOT. BE. HERE. at the given time and place that this is taking place. We -need- a majority and you're actively working to shift it in favor of someone you find thoroughly scummy. Not to mention you aren't even dismissing these intentions and saying you intend to come back to hammer if need be. It seems like you're trying to cover both possibilities of that vote and it's rather annoying. Do you believe Pamela is truly worse than Ayumu?
Shiba: I get you don't like that post, but I'd like to know more on why it's scummy than the flaws and factual errors in it. I may be simply too fatigued to think straight here but I'm not really seeing the scummy intention on what you pointed out.
My previous statement on Pamela stands as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not really sold on this case at the moment. I'm going to stick with what I wanted to do earlier and vote ayumu, without the sleeping after. I'll still be here to deadline. ##Unvote, ##Vote: Ayumu
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I'm left almost speechless really.
I have a demand to make: Those who are voting Ayumu, or have previously voted Ayumu, please state for the record why you think he is scummy. I have not been so blinded as to see that most people seem to be voting him (or voted for him) due to wishy-washy reasons. As for people who I think are closest to what I think is scummy about ayumu, I can only name Munak and Mean Ghost Girl. Answering this would also help a lot to make reads now and later. Also Ayumu, I would like you to address one of Munak's particular concerns, a question about why you didn't immediatly state your true reason for voting Remilia and instead provided a joke reason first.
It's amazing to me that Pamela has been absent 2 days and came up with terribad post that looks like it gleaned off a scum QT. Unless you are hoping that we are going to subtract you. Still, I perfer a Ayumu lynch, even though my gut is heaving in turmoil.
This goes without saying, but Bog, post and vote!
I am going to reread Youmu, Shiba, Necro, Sid, Remilia, Shoe. (Bathory's one content post is still quite vivid to me)
First impression of Necro's post looks like something the Comedian would write in MHM. (Don't worry you aren't insta-scum, but I think there is something fishy)
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@Arcueid
It's scummy because it's utilizing a bad case to jump on the biggest bandwagon. As far as I can see, he doesn't really give any justification behind his preferred lynch either. I suppose Ayumu is similar in the bad case and bandwagon hopper aspect, but interestingly enough he actually has more presence than Pamela, who has come up with her one post after lurking through the entire day.
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Necro: Please, PLEASE explain to me why 'too scummy to be scum' is such a -great- god damn reason that you want to shift the wagon onto someone who's intentions seem to thoroughly be to NOT. BE. HERE. at the given time and place that this is taking place. We -need- a majority and you're actively working to shift it in favor of someone you find thoroughly scummy.
Whoops, forgot to add this in.
I understand the last part of the Necro paragraph, but this first half confuses me. What are you trying to say here?
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@mod:How long till deadline?
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>V-V-Votecount!
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Whoops, forgot to add this in.
I understand the last part of the Necro paragraph, but this first half confuses me. What are you trying to say here?
It may be the fact my brain is slowly shutting the fuck down but what you want me to clarify is poorly defined, and I really wish you would stop playing quote games and ask about statements directly, as that is a chunk including a bolded chunk that all could qualify as the first half of the necro paragraph and i'm not sure what you want me to explain here. I'll explain all of it to make sure I get it.
I am implying that Necro is currently motioning to start a wagon in the wee few hours that remain in this day, towards Pamela, with that vote. I'm pretty sure you still vote to try and get someone lynched in this game so I am acting on the belief that he was trying to reinforce and build Pamela's wagon to lynch. This is a movement that would benefit Ayumu, someone that he has stated several times he has not seen better, but infact worse, claiming 'too scummy to be scum' and he would still be very much willing to hammer and lynch. He is also doing this on someone who I'm pretty sure intended to go to sleep and sleep through deadline, therefore isn't really here to answer.
If I didn't answer what you were confused on please tell me.
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Not trying to play quote games with you; it looked like you were attacking Necro for trying to shift the wagons towards someone he thought was scummy, which is what.
But your clarification makes more sense to me now.
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@Arecuid:
It seems that you did not read my case on Pamela; of course I do find her scummy and I went into painstaking detail as to why. It's just that I always had the impression that scum would want to lay low most of the time instead of making a fool of themselves, and due to the lack of bandwagon analysis and the monotony of reasons to vote someone on D1, I'm willing to select Pamela instead of Ayumu on top of all the various objective reasons already presented due to the difference in noise they are making. As for the accusation that I'm dancing between bandwagons, I don't think it's really wrong to be okay with two separate lynches, especially when I clearly prefer one over the other, which facilitates judgment depending on the flip tomorrow.
Arecuid, I am very interested to know why you are so fiercely opposed to the Pamela lynch, and why I'm (by your post) supposed to take the full brunt of an opposing bandwagon instead of Remi and Shiba. Also, your blurb on Pamela beforehand, below
Pamela's latest post...is well, I believe I agree it kind of looks like a blatant hop. It's basically a god damn cliffhanger to be continued on with for Day 2. As in, it literally reads as if they intend to sit on that vote until day 2 and then pull out some big fancy continuation. I find Day 1 as rather pointless and annoying as the rest, but I -really- hate people who try to skip entire days and set themselves up to actually start playing. I'm going to give you your presumed next post, but I expect to see that followed by many other actual posts, if you wish to remain on this im...whatever the fuck we're on coil.
has no opinion on Pamela's alignment at all except that she's a lurker. Can you clarify for us why you find Ayumu scummier than Pamela, as Count suggests?
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I probably won't be around for the deadline. So I guess I will keep my vote where it is.
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Alright, listen up.
The Ayumu wagon was BAD.
This Pamela wagon is worse.
Kukaku and Necro are both scum.
Look on Page 5, at Kukaku's post where he calls Pamela's vote horrible, then puts a weak attack on me for "lurking" and then...
Doesn't VOTE.
Further, for people who are voting Pamela for "vote hopping", you should take a close look at Necro's vote on Pamela. Opportunism at its FINEST.
So yeah, Necro and KuKaKu are both scum. I'll give you more detail in my next post.
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Oh dear god, Pamela's latest post and vote is completely terrible.
Not only did this RVS-level case become outdated as soon as Ayumu posted again and essentially dropped this point by unvoting Remilia, but I don't see any indication that you tried to update this case with Ayumu's latest vote. Then there's an attempt at a Youmu case based on her attitude. :getdown:
In any case, let's clarify the case on Bogmire, yes?
In his first content post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692574.html#msg692574), he makes a few side comments on Necro and Remilia, and dislikes Ayumu and Reg. He drops Reg soon after, and could "stand to hear more from Ayumu." Where are the scumreads? Where are the opinions? His next post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693077.html#msg693077) attempts to rectify this a little, but it's just what everyone else already said. As far as I'm concerned he has less content than friggin Ayumu at this stage.
Ayumu's latest response is facepalm worthy, but I don't think it's scummy. It looks more like general frustration at his wagon combined with an inability to make cases.
As for other people, I'm withholding judgement on Bathory until she follows up, but suffice to say I don't like her lack of content either. We also have a bunch of other lurkers; Sid, notably (because people seem to have forgotten him as opposed to the other lurkers), has a case on Remilia and almost nothing else (his next post is a query at Ayumu). Could you update your opinions Sid? I don't find you scummy, but I want to see how you've come along. There are way too many of you lurker jerks anyway (Necro and Shoe come to mind), so they can't all be scum; post more. I do have a gut vibe on someone else, but I don't think it's important enough to bring up today, and in any case I can always look into it tonight if it's still bothering me.
Let's look at what's wrong here.
People Kukaku attacks.
Pamela
Bogmire
Bathory
Necro
Lurkers
Let's look at who she votes in this post:
No one.
FURTHER, this is a bunch of cheap 1 liner bullshit that looks like content, but only serves as active fluff.
Looking at the Bogmire case. Well, if you want to CALL it a case. He accuses Bogmire of doing the EXACT SAME THING that Kukaku is doing.
But here's the thing: Kukaku attacked Bogmire for expressing a scum read of Shoe. It was retracted due to misunderstanding, but it WAS A READ.
Bogmire is town. And Kukaku is picking the easiest targets, but NOT ACTUALLY VOTING ANY OF THEM.
Kukaku/Necro are scum together. Kukaku's mention of Necro in this post is pure distancing.
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Shiba's switch is certainly telegraphed to some extent, but I'm quite weary of Remi's switch. Remi, what do you think of Ayumu's Bogmire vote, and how does it affect your opinion of Ayumu?
Look at THIS interaction.
"It's ok for Kukaku to hop on this terribad wagon, but not for Remila!"
I mean, it's perfect for him! Remila is town, but is mislynch bait for scum. Necro is JUMPING at this chance.
Further, Necro's OWN Pamela vote was so terribad, he should be asking HIMSELF this question.
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In other words, Pamela is town. This wagon is bad, and you should all feel bad.
More votes on Shiba will lynch the scums.
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Oh, and Ayumu is town too. That wagon was ALSO bad.
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It's not as if a few words can control the tide of the masses or anything and cause people to magically become mislynch bait. More than anything, it's how Remilia reacts to the question which is the main criteria for judgment.
As for Shiba's switch, I'll explain that her vote was on Bogmire before switching to Pamela, if I remember correctly, and not on Ayumu. Furthermore, here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693441.html#msg693441) she does affirm that Ayumu isn't scummy despite her latest post, etc. Remi, in comparison, did not think of anyone other than Ayumu as scummy before the Pamela bandwagon came about, which made the switch suspect in her case.
Also, chasing ghosts and phantoms are for the living and not for the dead; I would prefer if you were to go for people independently as opposed to 'interactions' which may or may not be a trick of the eye. Lastly, I'm curious as to why you criticize the Ayumu wagon as bad only now when you had an opportunity to do so earlier.
If you had a choice between Ayumu and Pamela, who would you lynch? Also, what's wrong with my vote, and why do you leave Remi out of it despite her jump on the bandwagon?
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Is it just me, or does anyone else feel theres a subtle saying here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693061.html#msg693061) that declares "I want the day to end faster"?
Necro is suspicious to me because of all the reasons he used. Pretty much all of them could be summed up as "RVS and reasons" like everybody said.
His posts just seem like fluff to me and I think he needs to put something concrete down.
But IMO he seems a bit better now so that's why he's more neutral to me.
"I think he needs to put something concrete down."
...needs to put something concrete down.
...something concrete.
"concrete."
...what?
Mafia > Day 1 > Concrete...really now...?
I expect you to have that gut read in your first post on day 2 if you're still alive then.
Are you sure you're not focusing on the wrong thing here?
Also, throughout the game you have only been answering questions and not asking it. Why?
I never said that everyone else was town. I just said that they're looking townish to me. I haven't found anything really suspicious about them.
On to page 5.
..You say this but what the hell is this then.
I think it's quite a valid point. Also a reason why Bogmire seems suspicious to me too. It doessn't affect my opinion much it just makes Ayumu seem a little more town.
You make this statement. So you are saying Bogmire is leaning town while he is suspicious to you?
Are you not contradicting yourself?
If by "she" you mean Pamela. Then it's because of the lack of posts, the blatant wagon hop the lack of content and the fact that she appears to be trying to lay low to avoid suspicion.
So instead of Ayumu being better it's more that Pamela is worse.
Also what purpose?
While I can agree with the lack of posts, and the wagon hop, as well as the lack of content.
I can't agree with the trying to lay low to avoid suspicion.
Her no content post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693114.html#msg693114) is more likely a mindscrewing post rather then a lay low.
At the moment, I am still quite unwilling to let Remilia pass.
@Ayumu: I pointed you out specifically due to the fact that you had not posted an opinion of anyone else at the time. With you being a main suspect at the time, I rather have you get your opinions out as fast as possible, compared to others who were not as in danger of being lynched.
Hee hee. I bet you're actually a big softie on the inside~.
Arcy is town! I know this because Youmu suddenly went and buddied up to her early in the game. Youmu is a big meanie head, and she needs to stop yelling at people.
People keep picking on Gardnie for falling in line with the day's main lynch, but everyone else is being nice to Bog and Remilia for doing the same thing. Is there really something different between those cases that I don't know about? Or does everyone just want to keep picking on him so Youmu doesn't yell at them? I don't think Gardnie is a bad person. It looks like he was just confused earlier.
##Vote: Ayumu
/me yawns
I'm getting tired...
So your claiming Arcuied is ?Town? due to Youmu ?Scum? buddying up to her?
If that is your only reason then I would probably join in your lynch.
There is alot of information you have to use, yet you merely state one plausible theory.
Sid seems to be throwing questions around and I'm somewhat incapable of getting where his reads are other than 'REMILIA IS SCUM'. I'd like it if he stopped playing interrogation and state something so we can actually understand -him-.
Am I to interpret this as telling me to stop grinding people for information?
@Ayumu is likely town to me, due to the fact that I've seen something similar happen to him before. With a post in the same direction.
@Remilia is either Follow-the-leader town, or wagons-yay scum, and I'm banking on the later at the moment.
Quite sure most of us can agree in Count is Town
@Pamella...is sort of leaning scum, but I can't determine it with just this post. It is near the end of day 1, so I personally can not say its wagon hopping.
@Youmu is overaggressive town, or camouflaged scum.
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I know I'm missing something...
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Ayumu Aikawa (5): Count von Count, Youmu Konpaku, Reg Shoe, Pamela Ibis, Arcueid Brunestud
Pamela Ibis (4): Munak, Necro Gardna, Kūkaku Shiba, Remilia Scarlet
Bogmire (1): Ayumu Aikawa
Elizabeth Bathory (1): Mean Ghost Girl
Kūkaku Shiba (1): Elizabeth Bathory
Remilia Scarlet (1): Sid Barett
Not Voting: Bogmire
No Lynch was reached. You have 30 hours to send in your night actions to both Edible and myself. Yes, 30, because I am just now realizing that having the end-of-day rush be when I'm asleep and can't post votecounts is fucking terrible.
Please do not post during the night phase unless your role allows you to do otherwise.
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As a heads up, Kūkaku Shiba has been granted V/LA for the first 48 hours of Day 2 for specific reasons.
In other news, 15 or so hours remain in the night phase. Better send those actions in, if you haven't already.
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On second thought, starting the day a hour and a half earlier because it's more convenient for me. I have everybody's actions, so.
Give me a second to send out result PMs.
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Arcueid Brunestud, a Vanilla Townie, was killed overnight!
You have 72 hours left in the day. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Is it just me, or does anyone else feel theres a subtle saying here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693061.html#msg693061) that declares "I want the day to end faster"?
I don't deny that I wanted the day to end sooner. Don't tell me that we needed the time for non-existant discussion. MotK Town has never made good of any given grace period. As we can see, No Lynch happened because of some shoddy logic in 'too scummy to be scum'. So here we are on Day 2 barely better off than Day 1.
Quote-striping since my last post.
No, I do not currently have any major suspects other than Ayumu.
Why would you not have more suspects than just the popular wagon? It's your initiative to force information out of people if you aren't understanding what's going on. Not doing so is scummy.
You're right, I hadn't determined whether it was scummy or not. Because it's not scummy in and of itself! I was actually waiting for Ayumu to respond to my question, but he took fucking forever. And you know what? At this point I think he's more likely to be terrible town instead of scum. Not really in the scum MO to kick off a bandwagon in RVS with an empty vote and the lurk out the rest of the day to get a wagon started on themselves, is it? I would also invoke meta here, but this is an anonymous game, so.
Did Ayumu have a valid reason to take forever to respond? Going by if we all know who is Ayumu, I don't think so. Ayumu is more than capable of making content posts if we call #118 one such. As for scum MO, it's unnecessary WIFOM for people to think about. Scum is capable of anything and everything, just look at the last game.
I think Ayumu is trying way too hard to make "Why me and not X" into a hard scumtell. I don't see how Remilia was trying to deflect attention to Youmu. What I see is Remilia trying to ask you a question. the same kinda question Gardnie asked Youmu.
I wanna bring Youmu over to full-death. It's much more fun here, and she really needs to loose up. But, it doesn't look like a lot of people agree with me on that. I think Ayumu should be our lynch because of what other people said, and because of what I said above.
##Vote: Ayumu
Nice to know but why did you not vote Ayumu in the same post as your unvote? Ayumu didn't post anything inbetween that could have changed your opinion. Pamela's vote had bussing potential. Too bad we didn't get to confirm that.
Since everyone is busy being QUIET, which does nothing but help the scum, guess I'll just RAGE at my wagon to see why I'm being voted.
Reg: Why you disappear? Looks like a good scum position to just vote the largest bandwagon and get out of dodge to secure a mislynch.
That's a pathetic bluff to open OMGUS with. My activity time is erratic. The mod hasn't needed to prod me and I've posted when I'm around. I don't think I was trying to hide my presence on your wagon when I called to attention that we need to finalize a lynch.
Ayumu's latest response is facepalm worthy, but I don't think it's scummy. It looks more like general frustration at his wagon combined with an inability to make cases.
As for other people, I'm withholding judgement on Bathory until she follows up, but suffice to say I don't like her lack of content either. We also have a bunch of other lurkers; Sid, notably (because people seem to have forgotten him as opposed to the other lurkers), has a case on Remilia and almost nothing else (his next post is a query at Ayumu). Could you update your opinions Sid? I don't find you scummy, but I want to see how you've come along. There are way too many of you lurker jerks anyway (Necro and Shoe come to mind), so they can't all be scum; post more. I do have a gut vibe on someone else, but I don't think it's important enough to bring up today, and in any case I can always look into it tonight if it's still bothering me.
Mind telling us what IS scummy then? Your stances don't seem that strong when you make that ready switch just a few posts later.
##Unvote
##Vote: Pamela Ibis
I take issue with how this was the swing vote. Coming off the main wagon and onto a new one is a big enough swing that pretty much guaranteed a No Lynch. As I mentioned at the beginning of the post, 'too scummy to be scum' is a horrible fallacy and sheer laziness to analyze things out.
If by "she" you mean Pamela. Then it's because of the lack of posts, the blatant wagon hop the lack of content and the fact that she appears to be trying to lay low to avoid suspicion.
So instead of Ayumu being better it's more that Pamela is worse.
Also what purpose?
Hmm, okay.
As for the other thing, stop asking. It's not important.
Blatant parroting and lack of scumhunting intent, Kukaku is perfectly fine with that?
I think it's quite a valid point. Also a reason why Bogmire seems suspicious to me too. It doessn't affect my opinion much it just makes Ayumu seem a little more town.
You need to do better than this still and tell us WHY. Consider it asked to each sentence in your post.
I have a demand to make: Those who are voting Ayumu, or have previously voted Ayumu, please state for the record why you think he is scummy.
I've dropped the keyword of voteparking a few times this game. Ayumu's votepark showed lack of scumhunting for one. Second, Ayumu was more than capable of being proactive, but chose not to be.
Oh, and Ayumu is town too. That wagon was ALSO bad.
You should be elaborating why.
I've forgot Mean Ghost and Bogmire were playing this game and would have forgotten Sid too, but I liked Soul Eater that I didn't. I have no problems with Sid's activity. Mean Ghost only made 2 posts if I'm remembering correctly here. Bogmire deserves lurker hate for being the non-voter at deadline.
Summarized suspect list from my post is Kukaku, Necro, Ayumu and Pamela. Remilia and Bogmire are outside shots still under consideration. I find Elizabeth's end of day attack on Kukaku more agreeable than her initial vote reason. Kukaku's positioning out of my top 4 is also the most central if interactions are considered.
##Vote Kukaku
Other unnamed people are town or null reads.
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Man o man do I like Reg's post. Almost everything lines up with exactly what I feel.
Not only that, his targets are the exact same ones I'd grill today. I don't have the time right now to write much more, but Necro/Shiba earn the most ire for derailing the Ayumu wagon off the tracks.
Mean Ghost Girl: I found your first few posts agreeable, but taking your name off the ayumu wagon to put it on Bathory did not sit well with me. The post itself didn't seem scummy, but it left me disappointed.
Ayumu: Even though I have never seen your person as Scum (although you have your own variety), I found it disturbing that people were willing to let you slide based on that meta. I still think you are a good scum candidate.
But really, I'd like to leave off where Arc did. That is, Shiba/Necro, please state you who think is scummy and why you switched to Pamela directly causing us to have a no lynch. Shiba, as far as I remember, you had less opinions on who you thought was scum than Necro. In fact I believe the only one you ever truely believed was scum was Pamela... based off one content post (which was arguably bad, but not anymore newbishly bad than Remilla/Bogmire Etc.)
Necro: Unlike Shiba, you thought Ayumu was scummy, more so than Remilia. This question carries extra weight for you. Why did you get off Ayumu, who perhaps you thought was only 2nd most likely to be scum, over to a fledgling wagon formed within a mere hours of the deadline?
I am waiting to see who you both vote for eagerly.
It's a close call but I'm going with Necro slightly worse than Shiba as of right now.
##Vote Necro Gardna
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Mean Ghost Girl: I just reread that Bathory vote and read this.
I see Ayumu has made a real post, now. It's... better! I'm still not consoled with his earlier actions, but I'm willing to move on for the moment, with the knowledge that I WILL definitely be returning by deadline to move my vote to wherever it may be needed.
That didn't happen. Why?
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You know, master, I can fight pretty well for a dead girl...
... My pleasure is your pain..
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Munak is angry.
Munak wonders why Mr. Ayumu, Mean Ghost Girl, lady Bathory, Mr. Barett, and Bogmire could not move their vote to secure either lynch.
Munak especially dislikes lady Bathory.
Can lady Bathory explain to Munak and everyone else why Mr. Ayumu's lynch was a bad lynch?
Can lady Bathory also explain why miss Pamela's lynch was a bad lynch?
Can lady Bathory also explain why Necro Gardna's vote was so terrible?
Can lady Bathory tell Munak why lady Bathory would not go for either of the day's lynch targets when the sun was setting?
Can lady Bathory tell Munak why lady Bathory would actively try to eliminate the chance of a lynch occurring?
Mr. Barett, Munak wonders why Mr. Barett did not vote for miss Pamela.
Mr. Barett stated that Mr. Barett would have voted for miss Pamela had miss Pamela's post been her only content.
Munak is curious on what other content miss Pamela could have possibly had to dissuade Mr. Barett from voting for miss Pamela.
Munak wonders about this especially as the deadline was approaching fast.
Munak's opinion on miss Pamela has not changed.
Munak still wants miss Pamela to disappear from Munak's sight.
Munak wonders why Bogmire could not even bother to put down a vote.
Munak is not sure about what contributions Bogmire has made to us, if Bogmire has made any contributions at all.
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You know, master, I am so much more stronger than you...
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Munak still dislikes Mr. Ayumu as well.
##Vote Pamela Ibis
##FoS Elizabeth Bathory
Munak would prefer to see one of the following die today.
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I thought the deadline was three hours later and slept right through the end. :ohdear: I don't think I could have made a difference with how things went, but still. Lady Yuyuko I'm sorry!
So that end of day distraction was pretty horrible. The last time a group of entreprenuring individuals tried to do that we weren't in a majority lynch situation. I think it's worse that the same people didn't stick around to vote BACK onto the wagon in case their last second lynch didn't go through. The same experience leads me to believe that a wagon on anything but town wasn't going to spring up out of the blue. Not interested in Pamela right now.
I'm surprised, and by that I mean incredibly suspicious that Ayumu of all people wasn't here to try and support his/her/it's own alternate wagon and kept himself voteparked the entire time, even through his flailing. I'm going to reread and decide if the people who were effectively voting for no one are worse then the already-suspicious people that derailed any chance of a lynch today. At this rate 2000 Yojanas won't be enough to sort out the zombies!
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I am so happy with the new deadine. Now I don't have to stay awake till 3:00AM.
Getting on to other things soon.
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Hurk, sorry about not voting. I actually, kinda, sorta, overslept and missed the end of the day.
I am still not liking Ayumu very much, as she seemed to be focusing specifically on people on her bandwagon. Were there no opinions on other people?
Necro is... I'm honestly having a hard time forming my opinion on Necro, as I can't figure something solid out. I am having difficulty reading him.
However, Pamela is just augh. She comes in, makes an unvote and no revote with the apparent purpose of ticking off people, and I'm rather confused by the point she's trying to make in her most recent post. I currently like her the least. ##Vote: Pamela Ibis
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Now for answering end of day 1 questions.
1.Are you sure you're not focusing on the wrong thing here?
2.Also, throughout the game you have only been answering questions and not asking it. Why?
3.You make this statement. So you are saying Bogmire is leaning town while he is suspicious to you?
Are you not contradicting yourself?
4.While I can agree with the lack of posts, and the wagon hop, as well as the lack of content.
I can't agree with the trying to lay low to avoid suspicion.
Her no content post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693114.html#msg693114) is more likely a mindscrewing post rather then a lay low.
Labeled for convienience.
1. What do you mean by that?
2. I honestly can't answer this question. But it's probably due to my inability to play mafia well yet. As I don't know what questions to ask.
3. I was saying that Ayumu seemed more town for that reason. So I think you read it wrong(Misrep might be a good word to use here?).
4. I never said she was laying low. I just said she was appearing to lay low. Also I think you have got the wrong post. I was talking about her last one.
It's nice to finally see some other reads from you Sid (unless I forgot a previous post). You're finally not tunnelling as much (though you still are).
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I'd rather have been lynched than to walk into the thread and noticing there was none. You people made Teddy sad!
Nice to know but why did you not vote Ayumu in the same post as your unvote? Ayumu didn't post anything inbetween that could have changed your opinion. Pamela's vote had bussing potential. Too bad we didn't get to confirm that.
I read the game. The unvote was just to tell everyone I was here~
Gardnie~~~
I can respect the idea of letting the obvious case go, but it doesn't feel like an insight. It feels like you're Justifying a wagon switch.
You state rather plainly that you're not voting me for my vote, or the way I presented my vote. You were voting for me you disagreed with what my perception of what was happening in the game. Am I scum solely because I read the thread differently than you did?
Your wagon switch also came after Remilia's worrying (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693422.html#msg693422) over the day ending. I imagine anyone who was reading her posts would have noticed that there wasn't time to make a wagon switch, unless you thought six other people were going to log on and suddenly agree with you. I'm also not a fan of how you spent the rest of the day defending yourself without even mentioning or bringing up that deadline was coming soon.
##Vote: Necro Gardna
Speaking of people reading Remilia, Sid, I was hoping you were as well. Especially since your vote was on her at the end of the day. Early in the post, you chide her for asking for something concrete on day one, then you Chide me for not having a concrete reason to dislike Youmu. If you've coped with the fact that nothing solid will come in the middle of day one, why were you tempted to vote me for not having something solid? More importantly, why didn't you? When you thought about my wagonhop, you realized it was likely because it was near the end of the day, so why didn't you follow suit? Why did you cling to such a useless vote? And don't say "because it wouldn't have changed much" Because that's a justification, not a reason.
And to clear things up, yes, my favorite part of the Ayumu bandwagon was that it had the best chance at the time of actually landing a lynch. I'm still mad.
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1.Blatant parroting and lack of scumhunting intent, Kukaku is perfectly fine with that?
2.You need to do better than this still and tell us WHY. Consider it asked to each sentence in your post.
1.I was just agreeing with what other people said about Pamela.
2.It might just be me because I made the post but I think it explains itself.
I thought that the point Ayumu made was a very good point as that was what Bogmire was doing (if I remember the case right). And because of that Ayumu seemed slightly more town due to an actual contribution.
The second sentence only needs some re-wording "I think it's quite a valid point. It's also a reason why Bogmire is suspicious to me.".
AlsoThe unvote was just to tell everyone I was here~
That's exactly what I thought. Also It's nice to see some more posts and content from you.
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@Shoe, Count:
I take issue with how this was the swing vote. Coming off the main wagon and onto a new one is a big enough swing that pretty much guaranteed a No Lynch. As I mentioned at the beginning of the post, 'too scummy to be scum' is a horrible fallacy and sheer laziness to analyze things out.
Again, Ayumu being 'too scummy to be scum' was never my only reason for voting Ibis, and I'm not sure why you say that I never analyzed anything out when I did so here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693446.html#msg693446) (and if I was too lazy, I would have left my vote on Ayumu). You are ignoring the bulk of my case.
I simply found Pamela's actions just as scum-like than Ayumu's (both made easy votes on easy people) and wanted a counter-wagon to make things easier to see on Day 2; Ayumu's outburst (which drew needless attention to herself) was just the tipping point that made me favor the case on Pamela. Also, the case on Ayumu was too much of a one-note no-brainer case with really monotonous reasons that had to be copied from who commented on her behavior first. The information we could get out of it was limited to who was or wasn't on the wagon, and a double wagon would facilitate analysis better (though Ayumu's lynch would have been better than this).
As for the deadline, it passed by without me knowing about it. I was under the impression that there would be a series of votecounts heralding the end of the day, but that was not the case. My bad.
You state rather plainly that you're not voting me for my vote, or the way I presented my vote. You were voting for me you disagreed with what my perception of what was happening in the game. Am I scum solely because I read the thread differently than you did?
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Pamela, you are missing a bulk of my case, which you did not seem to read other than the first sentence. But no matter. What I want you to answer is this, which is related to the reasons you had for your vote:
Lastly, if she's okay with people copying other people's cases with regards to Ayumu, why is she okay with the case on Ayumu, which is made up primarily of her vote on Bogmire being copied from others in the first place? She needs to clarify on which parts of Ayumu's case she agrees or disagrees with due to the above.
Also, how do you feel about Ayumu now, and why am I on a higher priority than him?
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As for Sid, your vote on Remillia was extremely outdated in view of yesterday, and the fact that you did not vote for any of the main wagons at any time, even towards the end of the day, is alarming. Seeing that most of your case on Remillia is based on stalking her mercilessly and nitpicking on her posts even when it's not related to her alignment, and that you have directed most of your case on her instead of convincing the rest of us, a vote on you would have to do for now. You are going to have to go further than meta in explaining why Ayumu is town compared to Remilla, among other things. Will switch to Pamela if she does not shape up.
##Vote: Sid
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Now for answering end of day 1 questions.Labeled for convienience.
1. What do you mean by that?
2. I honestly can't answer this question. But it's probably due to my inability to play mafia well yet. As I don't know what questions to ask.
3. I was saying that Ayumu seemed more town for that reason. So I think you read it wrong(Misrep might be a good word to use here?).
4. I never said she was laying low. I just said she was appearing to lay low. Also I think you have got the wrong post. I was talking about her last one.
#1 : Your asking specifically for a "GUT" read, "GUT" reads are gamblish. Not necessarily helping town.
#2 : ...
#3 : Your answer tells to me "I think Ayumu is more town, because he said the reason I thought Bogmire was suspicious."
Earlier you said
I never said that everyone else was town. I just said that they're looking townish to me. I haven't found anything really suspicious about them.
I said it earlier and will say it again, you contradicted yourself.
#4 : I'll concede this too then.
1.I was just agreeing with what other people said about Pamela.
2.It might just be me because I made the post but I think it explains itself.
I thought that the point Ayumu made was a very good point as that was what Bogmire was doing (if I remember the case right). And because of that Ayumu seemed slightly more town due to an actual contribution.
The second sentence only needs some re-wording "I think it's quite a valid point. It's also a reason why Bogmire is suspicious to me.".
Agreeing is fine and all, but the fact is your rarely post your own content. I don't feel like your really doing any searches of yourself.
I'd rather have been lynched than to walk into the thread and noticing there was none. You people made Teddy sad!I read the game. The unvote was just to tell everyone I was here~
Speaking of people reading Remilia, Sid, I was hoping you were as well. Especially since your vote was on her at the end of the day. Early in the post, you chide her for asking for something concrete on day one, then you Chide me for not having a concrete reason to dislike Youmu. If you've coped with the fact that nothing solid will come in the middle of day one, why were you tempted to vote me for not having something solid? More importantly, why didn't you? When you thought about my wagonhop, you realized it was likely because it was near the end of the day, so why didn't you follow suit? Why did you cling to such a useless vote? And don't say "because it wouldn't have changed much" Because that's a justification, not a reason.
And to clear things up, yes, my favorite part of the Ayumu bandwagon was that it had the best chance at the time of actually landing a lynch. I'm still mad.
I never said for something concrete, I said your "only" reason. There was a pile of information but you based it mainly on the fact that Youmu was immediately buddy buddy with Arcuied.
You want me to follow suit and vote on the person I believed to be likely town?
When I said I was willing to vote for you, it was for Day 2.
I was unwilling to immediately lynch you right after you decided to start getting involved.
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Thank you for explaining that. Now I understand what you meant by all that. And about #3, the reason it was like that was because I don't think I read properly. So I realised how suspicious Bogmire was afer I re-read it more thoroughly.
Agreeing is fine and all, but the fact is your rarely post your own content. I don't feel like your really doing any searches of yourself.
I think what happens here is I kinda look at what people are using for their cases and then I look at the person that the case is on to see if I can see what they meant (sorry if it doesn't make much sense.).
If I think it was good enough I might agree with it.
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So I haven't finished rereading yet but I'm just going to start staring swords into Bogmire's post right now. (Staring daggers is a different maid's specialty.) You stayed unvoting anyone yesterday, and today you waltz in with a vote that would have been FAR more useful yesterday in securing our lynch. Yesterday your only suspect was the main lynch. Today your suspect is.. the other failed lynch. I don't feel like you're trying at all.
##Vote: Bogmire
You're just augh. You come in here with an unvote then you don't even bother to vote at all with the apparent purpose of who knows what, and I'm rather confused by the point you're trying to make about Necro, which is to say you know nothing? What DO you know, especially who your actual reads are? I currently like you the least.
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Vote Count - Oh my god it's actually a votecount edition
Kukaku Shiba (1) - Reg Shoe
Necro Gardna (2) - Count von Count, Pamela Ibis
Pamela Ibis (2) - Munak, Bogmire
Sid Barett (1) - Necro Gardna
Bogmire (1) - Youmu Konpaku
Not voting: Everyone else
62 hours remain in the day. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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People have either given me unsatisfactory answers or are answering questions not directed at them. No change in my preffered list of scum.
However, Pamela is just augh. She comes in, makes an unvote and no revote with the apparent purpose of ticking off people, and I'm rather confused by the point she's trying to make in her most recent post. I currently like her the least. ##Vote: Pamela Ibis
Is Pamela scum? You haven't put a lot of faith in any of your votes all game.
The unvote was just to tell everyone I was here~
Might as well have not posted at all for all the good it did.
1.I was just agreeing with what other people said about Pamela.
2.It might just be me because I made the post but I think it explains itself.
I thought that the point Ayumu made was a very good point as that was what Bogmire was doing (if I remember the case right). And because of that Ayumu seemed slightly more town due to an actual contribution.
The second sentence only needs some re-wording "I think it's quite a valid point. It's also a reason why Bogmire is suspicious to me.".
Number 1 was not for you to answer. Number 2, Ayumu last talked about Bogmire a long time before the bluffed rage. Your response to Ayumu was that you had no new opinions. So where did this 'good point' suddenly come from? Bogmire made no posts between Ayumu's two posts. You read to me as if you're pulling fluff to pass off as opinion.
Again, Ayumu being 'too scummy to be scum' was never my only reason for voting Ibis, and I'm not sure why you say that I never analyzed anything out when I did so here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693446.html#msg693446) (and if I was too lazy, I would have left my vote on Ayumu). You are ignoring the bulk of my case.
I simply found Pamela's actions just as scum-like than Ayumu's (both made easy votes on easy people) and wanted a counter-wagon to make things easier to see on Day 2; Ayumu's outburst (which drew needless attention to herself) was just the tipping point that made me favor the case on Pamela. Also, the case on Ayumu was too much of a one-note no-brainer case with really monotonous reasons that had to be copied from who commented on her behavior first. The information we could get out of it was limited to who was or wasn't on the wagon, and a double wagon would facilitate analysis better (though Ayumu's lynch would have been better than this).
As for the deadline, it passed by without me knowing about it. I was under the impression that there would be a series of votecounts heralding the end of the day, but that was not the case. My bad.
According to the no-case scummy qualifier in your link, I think it's a null point for comparing Ayumu and Pamela. They both made a shoddy case in the context of their posts. Ayumu has cried wolf too many times that any rage from her should always be called for the bluff. When you ignore the noise, you admit it yourself that Ayumu's content isn't good enough. You're giving Ayumu a pass because she raged and you think it would be too scummy to for scum to do. Your argument isn't convincing.
Your counter wagon idea was terrible because the votes that joined you made the same follow-the-leader play that accuse the Ayumu wagon of. The facts are that you were one of the weaker votes on Ayumu (you're guilty of what you say was wrong with an Ayumu lynch) and you secured the No Lynch.
I think what happens here is I kinda look at what people are using for their cases and then I look at the person that the case is on to see if I can see what they meant (sorry if it doesn't make much sense.).
If I think it was good enough I might agree with it.
You haven't disagreed with anyone the entire game.
So I haven't finished rereading yet but I'm just going to start staring swords into Bogmire's post right now. (Staring daggers is a different maid's specialty.) You stayed unvoting anyone yesterday, and today you waltz in with a vote that would have been FAR more useful yesterday in securing our lynch. Yesterday your only suspect was the main lynch. Today your suspect is.. the other failed lynch. I don't feel like you're trying at all.
##Vote: Bogmire
You're just augh. You come in here with an unvote then you don't even bother to vote at all with the apparent purpose of who knows what, and I'm rather confused by the point you're trying to make about Necro, which is to say you know nothing? What DO you know, especially who your actual reads are? I currently like you the least.
For everyone to answer: What are your reads into my 4 main picks? Bogmire is an outlier in my analysis and I want to know why he's a better lynch than Kukaku or Necro.
At the same time, I want to hear everyone's thoughts on Kukaku. V/LA does not mean the person is no longer in the game and can be ignored from rereads, scumhunting and votes. Kukaku's promise of a gut read revelation is empty considering the current circumstances. Going V/LA is something you know beforehand and yet we've got to wait for you to come back near the day end scramble. I am firm on Kukaku's lynch and will only reconsider once everyone has responded to this.
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Number 1 was not for you to answer. Number 2, Ayumu last talked about Bogmire a long time before the bluffed rage. Your response to Ayumu was that you had no new opinions. So where did this 'good point' suddenly come from? Bogmire made no posts between Ayumu's two posts. You read to me as if you're pulling fluff to pass off as opinion.
For number 1 I was just clarifying that.
For number 2 I had one of those "agreeing" moments. I actually thoroughly read it and then I saw what was wrong about it.
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No it's fine everyone, let's just CHILL and not say anything, I'm sure the evil dead will just lynch themselves. It's not like we would NO-LYNCH or anything, ha, ha, ha. Re-reading already gives me a migrane. I think I'm more sure about my vote though. It seems like hiding without a vote and letting the no-lynch pass is the scummiest position of all.
For everyone to answer: What are your reads into my 4 main picks? Bogmire is an outlier in my analysis and I want to know why he's a better lynch than Kukaku or Necro.
It has to do with the idea of proactive vs reactive. He's an 'outlier' because he hasn't done anything worth examining. He hasn't taken any chances, made any mistakes, or tried anything messy. Not voting and just watching the lynches go by is SAFE and safe is not a townie trait. Even if the three choice you've outlined are being horrible, this is Scum In Front of Us behaviour. On top of that, we can't really analyze the wagon effectively because no one flipped. We don't even know if Pamela is town. We are effectively back to Day 1.
Out of your other three choices, Remilia is derp. I never got to experience the difference between newbtown and newbscum, but the wantom jumps onto the wagons do seem alot like how newbscum acted before. I think the longer she stays the more obvious it'll be either way.
I think Kukaku looks worse then Necro. Necro is the one who made the case and really got the lynch train moving over to Pamela (well Munak started it, but he was never voting Ayumu). Kukaku just jumped on the bandwagon afterwards. What's more likely, for the evil dead to push for a last minute switch or for the evil dead to giggle insanely and hop along? (hint: it's the later.)
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Master, Munak wonders if you're not feeding her because you think Munak is fat.
You don't think I'm fat...Do you master?
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Munak was worried that she might have missed a lot of activity because Munak went to play with master for the day.
It appears Munak was worrying over nothing.
Miss Pamela, Munak asked miss Pamela a few questions earlier.
Munak would appreciate an answer.
Why did miss Pamela add in the statement that miss Pamela wanted miss Youmu dead?
What case did miss Pamela have on miss Youmu?
Munak needs to think things over a bit more.
Munak will be back soon.
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@Shoe:
Ayumu has cried wolf too many times that any rage from her should always be called for the bluff. When you ignore the noise, you admit it yourself that Ayumu's content isn't good enough. You're giving Ayumu a pass because she raged and you think it would be too scummy to for scum to do. Your argument isn't convincing.
The first part is completely subjective. The second part is irrelevant; both Ayumu and Pamela were, objectively, equally scummy in my eyes for their content, but the 'too scummy to be scum' component was the subjective reason for me to switch over to Pamela. I never gave Ayumu a pass at all and fully intended to switch over to her at the deadline (which I did not commit to, alas).
And of course, I never said that the case on Ayumu was bad for D1 standards; people are definitely alright for agreeing with it. I just felt that it was not conducive to bandwagon analysis as a whole and wanted to get some more opinions out from others as to who they preferred (between Ayumu, Pamela or even Bogmire) and why, which is another reason for why I started the wagon on Pamela. Lastly, I'm quite wary when you say that I 'secured the no lynch' when votes are anything but secure and when more than one person needs to agree with me to form a counter-wagon. You had might as well accuse Bathory and Sid for not being willing to commit onto any of the two wagons yesterday and playing equal part in 'securing' the no-lynch; I don't absolve myself of being one of the causes for that, but why am I worse than the above two I have mentioned. I also wonder if you are putting Remilla and Bogmire as outliers due to some variation of 'too blatantly scummy to be scum' as well.
In other news, I'm quite irritated by Sid totally ignoring my question to him and being one day behind the current state of the game at all times in the game.
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Elizabeth and Sid were not voting Ayumu. Your switch reduced Ayumu's wagon whilst their's would not have made a difference. Kukaku followed you, citing preference and Remilia also switched away for Offler knows what reason.
There is insufficient interest in lynching Remilia or Bogmire.
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If you claim that they made no difference, then we would not have gotten a Ayumu lynch no matter if I had switched or not due to an insufficient number of people present at the dateline (3 more votes were needed)
Also, I'm not talking of interest, I'm talking about their individual scumminess and your reasons for putting them as the two least scummiest in your list of four.
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As for Sid, your vote on Remillia was extremely outdated in view of yesterday, and the fact that you did not vote for any of the main wagons at any time, even towards the end of the day, is alarming. Seeing that most of your case on Remillia is based on stalking her mercilessly and nitpicking on her posts even when it's not related to her alignment, and that you have directed most of your case on her instead of convincing the rest of us, a vote on you would have to do for now. You are going to have to go further than meta in explaining why Ayumu is town compared to Remilla, among other things. Will switch to Pamela if she does not shape up.
##Vote: Sid
Meta and bias.As well as the fact he acted the same way last game and ended as a townie lynch.
In other news, I'm quite irritated by Sid totally ignoring my question to him and being one day behind the current state of the game at all times in the game.
I'm not quite understanding what you mean by this, care to elaborate?
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If you claim that they made no difference, then we would not have gotten a Ayumu lynch no matter if I had switched or not due to an insufficient number of people present at the dateline (3 more votes were needed)
Also, I'm not talking of interest, I'm talking about their individual scumminess and your reasons for putting them as the two least scummiest in your list of four.
Elizabeth and Sid's votes could change and it would either add to the Ayumu wagon or do nothing. Their movements had no reducing influence on an Ayumu lynch. You moved your vote, pulled Kukaku's vote (null in terms of securing Ayumu's lynch) and pulled Remilia's vote (further reducing Ayumu's lynch).
Remilia and Bogmire aren't scumhunting. That's passively scummy and isn't as big a factor in misleading the rest of town. Your vote switch was actively scummy that threw us off having a lynch.
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Again, it's sort of strange that you talk of votes as inflexible molds. They can (and would have been, if we were more aware of the time), easily switched from person to person to secure a lynch regardless of 'influence' or some such. I don't get how I especially 'threw people of having a lynch' when it's all a matter of being at the deadline and typing a few words to change a vote to someone more likely to be lynched, which many have failed to do since they were not aware of the deadline (including Arecuid, me, Elizabeth, etc.) and perhaps apathetic about the objective of lynching someone on D1. The above is the main reason why Ayumu was not lynched yesterday, not because I mysteriously reduced the 'influence' on an Ayumu lynch by voting an easily changeable vote on someone else.
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@Sid:
Ignore that 'one day' thing; I just felt that you are lagging behind the discussion and not following the main cases of the day or commenting on much else other than Remi, who is really easy to fault. Can you summarize for us why Remi is scummy in non-questioning terms, and what you think of the events that have happened recently (the no-lynch of D1, my voteswitch, etc.) and the people involved. It just seems that you're trapped in your own time-space bubble with Remilla in endless back-and-forth without really attempting to convince us of her scuminess and stuff like that, which is not helpful to the town cause.
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So Munak, most of you questions can be answered with one sentence. I only vote for the one I think is scum and no one else.
?Can lady Bathory explain to Munak and everyone else why Mr. Ayumu's lynch was a bad lynch??
It's the fact that you all seems to agree on how awful this embodiment of tastelessness known as Ayumu looks but non of you provided a reason how it's behavior could benefit scum so far. It's focusing on bad play what is nothing else than a excuse for not scum hunting, of course it's way easier to lynch the player that looks worse and rage about ?failing derp town? after it than trying to find scum.
?Can lady Bathory also explain why miss Pamela's lynch was a bad lynch??
It's the same reason here. If you can tell the alignment of a player from just a single content post, good for you, I can't.
?Can lady Bathory also explain why Necro Gardna's vote was so terrible??
His initial vote on Ayumu was already a blunt wagon jump and his vote for Pamela was a not less blunt and opportunistic jump off the wagon. If you can put the blame for the no lynch on a player then it's him.
?Can lady Bathory tell Munak why lady Bathory would not go for either of the day's lynch targets when the sun was setting??
I already answered this. Girl you start to bore me.
?Can lady Bathory tell Munak why lady Bathory would actively try to eliminate the chance of a lynch occurring??
I don't think that I did this at all. Stop blaming me for your own shortcomings.
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So yeah, almost forgot this.
##Vote Kukaku
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Again, it's sort of strange that you talk of votes as inflexible molds. They can (and would have been, if we were more aware of the time), easily switched from person to person to secure a lynch regardless of 'influence' or some such. I don't get how I especially 'threw people of having a lynch' when it's all a matter of being at the deadline and typing a few words to change a vote to someone more likely to be lynched, which many have failed to do since they were not aware of the deadline (including Arecuid, me, Elizabeth, etc.) and perhaps apathetic about the objective of lynching someone on D1. The above is the main reason why Ayumu was not lynched yesterday, not because I mysteriously reduced the 'influence' on an Ayumu lynch by voting an easily changeable vote on someone else.
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@Sid:
Ignore that 'one day' thing; I just felt that you are lagging behind the discussion and not following the main cases of the day or commenting on much else other than Remi, who is really easy to fault. Can you summarize for us why Remi is scummy in non-questioning terms, and what you think of the events that have happened recently (the no-lynch of D1, my voteswitch, etc.) and the people involved. It just seems that you're trapped in your own time-space bubble with Remilla in endless back-and-forth without really attempting to convince us of her scuminess and stuff like that, which is not helpful to the town cause.
You can't be serious about it, an unvote is always an withdraw of support. And your unvote was nothing else then saying that poking miss too late to the party is more important than insure the lynch you want. This is unacceptable no matter if 5 or 8 hours before deadline.
It's almost an invitation to shift my vote on you but I don't intend to follow your example of inconsequent voting.
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I'm here! Rereading now.
I'm one of the group who thought the deadline was 3 hours later then it actually was, so I check the thread expecting there to be about 2 hours left, and... there's a no lynch. Well then...! At least today's deadline will be significantly later in the day.
Before I reread, I'll just say that I think everyone not voting onto Ayumu (Or anyone else that we decided to lynch) near the end of the day is more of a complete mistake then something that can be actually called scummy, which is disappointing, because otherwise we might have some real material to work with despite a no lynch. But sadly, the last votecount was 22 hours before deadline, in addition to claiming the deadline was 3 hours later then it actually was, so it's very very possible everyone present was town and didn't realize at all that deadline was very dangerously near and they needed to move onto a lynch. Oh well.
It IS, however, still suspicious how incredibly quickly the Pamela wagon came up and gained traction at the end of the day, and at the moment I'm leaning towards the people who have the opinion that it couldn't have been on anything but town. I'll make a more concrete opinion on this myself after I've reread.
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But sadly, the last votecount was 22 hours before deadline, in addition to claiming the deadline was 3 hours later then it actually was, so it's very very possible everyone present was town and didn't realize at all that deadline was very dangerously near and they needed to move onto a lynch. Oh well.
Wow, and I thought I made the mistake of using my EST timezone timestamp from my main account to judge the deadline time (it's exactly 3 hours ahead of PST). That really makes me angry... considering HW said 14 hours left with the timestamp at 10:00 pm PST while deadline was timestamped at 9:00 am PST the next day.
I'm doing a re-read, but the only lynches I would support are Necro, Shiba, and Ayumu, unless Bog or Remilia claim scum.
Btw Bog, are you scum?
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I don't like Pamela's first real post. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693322.html#msg693322) First of all, it certainly took it's sweet time in getting here, and second, she says she wants Youmu lynched, doesn't say WHY she wants this at all, and then bandwagons on Ayumu instead. She had exactly one point of her own she made against Ayumu in her post, and I don't even really see how that one point is actually scummy instead of just newbish.
She didn't appear for the rest of D1 either. She made one real post the entire day. Augh.
However, in her favor, it was somewhat late in the day, so bandwagoning isn't entirely unforgivable, especially if she knew she likely would not be returning before deadline. Still, even this makes her majorly lurky, which is also bad. I want to see a lot more participation from her today, or she is probably ending up going right to my Die List. I know before I reread that I said I was leaning towards the people who thought her wagon sprung up so fast it must be scum-motivated, but jeez, now I can see why she would get piled on. But, let's move on to other people.
Remilia looks like newbtown to me. That's all I have to say on her matter.
Arc is one of the people who was actually going "HEY, DEADLINE, WE NEED A MAJORITY" (Hey, Remi did this too!), which only strengthens the townie vibes she gives off. Oh wait, I forgot, she died. Given the no lynch, I had practically forgotten that was a thing that happens. Well then...! The Count is also bleeding townieness all over the place, by the way.
Hi there Elizabeth! I'm sorry, I think we have really big view differences here, because I can't seem to agree with any of these cases you make. Also, in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693542.html#msg693542), it looks like you're completely forgetting Kukaku was already voting Bogmire. Did you forget, or something? Your main point is he's attacking easy targets and not voting them, but... he IS voting one of them. Also, tell me where you came to the conclusion that Bogmire is town. Bogmire just looks so bad to me, and we'll get to that in a minute. Come on, HE ISN'T EVEN VOTING ANYONE. THAT is the person who is not voting anyone. Bogmire, not Kukaku. Your case on whom you think is scum applies better to the person you're declaring town then your actual target. What?
Ayumu... is newb-something. I'm not sure what, and that is the problem with wagons on failing newbies. I wish Ayumu would get vigged instead of lynched, but I can settle for lynching him. The sad truth is that he just needs to die before we get into a LyLo situation and have to pick between difficult-to-read newb flailing and people who make sense.
Bogmire is near-nonexistent and beyond unhelpful. His posts contain extremely little contributions, opinions when given are tiny and uneffortful, and he doesn't feel like he cares about what he does with his vote at all.
I need to reread Kukaku and Sid more, but I believe I've hit the limit of ability to efficiently process mafia posts for the moment. Everyone else I didn't mention seems okay to me at the moment, unless someone has dropped off my radar completely. Shoe seems to be participating a lot more then he did yesterday and I'm quite happy with this.
Main scum picks for now are Bogmire, Bathory, and Pamela. I'm okay with an Ayumu lynch as well.
That really makes me angry... considering HW said 14 hours left with the timestamp at 10:00 pm PST while deadline was timestamped at 9:00 am PST the next day.
Oh, I missed that votecount. Apologies to the mods. Ah well, still 3 hours off, it seems.
...oh yes, I have a vote to use!
##Vote:Elizabeth Bathory
Mmn, just remembered Necro Gardna exists. I admit that I don't really see the case on him right now. If someone could re-explain it to me in it's current full state, I'd be delighted. It would also be nifty for the cases Kukaku and Sid but less needed, since they don't have as many huge posts that I'm demotivated to trudge through.
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My Ayumu paragraph needs editing. Here is a new version.
Ayumu... is newb-something. I'm not sure what, and that is the problem with wagons on flailing newbies. I wish Ayumu would get vigged instead of lynched, but I can settle for lynching him. The sad truth is that he just needs to die before we get into a LyLo situation and have to pick between lynching difficult-to-read newb flailing or someone who at least makes SOME sort of sense.
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*Goes crying in the corner for deleting this post*
tl;dr crying version
Set up to wake up 2 hours before what I thought was deadline, got slapped by deadline.
Youmu I dislike, go gut!
Pamela can't decide between town/scum due to my alignment, the sudden counter wagon, and the disappearance during D1
I am as green as town.
Kukaku is suspicious for the IioA on Pamela then the sudden jump.
Crap, I got to do something right now so I'll finish this post soon.
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Being alive is so overrated, master... soon you'll have an end to your suffering.
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Munak would take lady Bathory's words more seriously had lady Bathory posted more before lady Bathory's big case that was made 10 minutes before deadline.
Even if Munak takes the time from the votecount into consideration, lady Bathory was trying to swing the wagons when there were little over two hours remaining.
Munak believes it would also help if lady Bathory were around more often to push her suspicions if what lady Bathory said is the case.
Munak says 「good for you」 if lady Bathory refuse to vote for anyone outside of who you think is scum.
However, Munak believes that complete inflexibility is scummy.
Munak believes that lady Bathory's behavior can be summed up as 「Until Kukaku Shiba and Necro Gardna are lynched I will not vote for anyone else as long as they don't claim scum」.
Munak would like the other people to dwell on this thought.
Munak likes how lady Bathory tells Munak that Munak is trying to blame lady Bathory for Munak's own shortcomings.
Munak wonders how calling the two apparent lynch targets as town and terrible helps at all in securing a lynch for the day.
In addition to this, Munak is curious on how lady Bathory knows that both Mr. Ayumu and miss Pamela are town.
If Munak is remembering correctly, Mr. Ayumu is town because everything Mr. Ayumu has been doing falls under the category of bad play and Mr. Ayumu has been called out on this, correct?
Munak wonders how this allows lady Bathory to mark Mr. Ayumu as town.
If Munak were to blather on like an idiot for an entire day, contributing nothing, does that mean that Munak would also look town?
Munak is also wondering about how lady Bathory cleared miss Pamela.
Lady Bathory's entire reason for clearing miss Pamela is based on how Necro Gardna and Kukaku Shiba voted for miss Pamela, correct?
Munak wonders 「what is wrong with you?」.
Lady Bathory is going to ignore everything that miss Pamela has(n't) done because lady Bathory's scumpicks are voting for miss Pamela?
Munak believes that associations work better once we have some actual confirmed flips to work with.
Munak also finds it really strange how lady Bathory's reason for clearing miss Pamela has changed overnight.
Yesterday it was based around the people voting for miss Pamela.
Today lady Bathory says 「If you can tell the alignment of a player from just a single content post, good for you, I can't.」
Munak would like to note that lady Bathory appears to be ignoring the fact that this single content post was miss Pamela's ONLY content post.
Munak is also noting that lady Bathory is ignoring the fact that miss Pamela had voiced suspicions of miss Youmu in this content post, suspicions that miss Pamela apparently still holds, yet said nothing about them. (Munak is still waiting on answers from miss Pamela in regards to this)
If miss Pamela weren't so terrible, Munak would switch her vote to lady Bathory right now.
Instead, Munak must be content with this:
##FoS Elizabeth Bathory
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@Bathory: Thing is, the lynch I wanted more was Pamela's at the time, and Pamela only came late into the day. Isn't this what a vote is supposed to represent, as you say?
@Meanie: Oh, interesting. No wonder the deadline seemed so sudden.
Also, it seems that Arecuid voted for Ayumu yesterday after all; my apologies.
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I agree with Munak about the eccentricity of Bathory, and am personally concerned about her lack of justifications for her town reads, and her shoddy connective scumtell cases which seem to be based on inflections of tone and falsehoods (Shiba voted Bogmire) more than actual content. For now, I'm not willing to vote her, however, since her content seems original and somewhat current in comparison to many others, albeit with a very narrow scope. If her Shiba case does not hold true, then one can say that all she has done day one and two is nothing but a blank, which is a sad trick for scum to use to avoid analysis, but I'll roll with her extreme whims and tendencies for now.
I've read through Shiba again, and with most of the people (except Bathory) here finding her suspicious mostly based on her wagon jump, Being on the same boat, I can't really say I agree. I'll leave her to defend herself, but from what I've seen, her actions do fit her words since she has consistently found Ayumu town from mid day 1 onwards.
Count is starting to get onto my radar for some reason. He seemed amicable and sensible enough early to mid-day 1, but towards the end, I see posts which I don't like, such as this one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693144.html#msg693144). Here, he notices quite a number of things, such as Sid's repertory stuff, and Bathory's failure to talk about anything other than Shiba, but he fails to follow any of these observations up in subsequent posts. His motion (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693501.html#msg693501) for everyone to explain their Ayumu votes also didn't really lead to anything here, since today he seems to be caring more about those who voted for Pamela instead. There's a bit of what I see as coasting on Shoe's post D2, and I would like Count to give a reason for this. Nothing major, but your opinions don't seem to be consistent; they do cover many bases but not really purposefully.
All Sid has done is to attack Remilla for logical faults and errors the entire game which do not lead to any judgment of her alignment. He hasn't even tried to convince the rest of town on his case. Also, his town reads are almost completely unjustified through objective reasons, and doesn't seem to be following the game very well outside of Remilla. In this respect, he seems to be coasting through D2 under the pretense of content, which is quite unforgivable until he comments on other stuff.
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Kukaku Shiba (2) - Reg Shoe, Elizabeth Bathory
Necro Gardna (2) - Count von Count, Pamela Ibis
Pamela Ibis (2) - Munak, Bogmire
Bogmire (1) - Youmu Konpaku
Elizabeth Bathory (1) - Mean Ghost Girl
Sid Barett (1) - Necro Gardna
Not voting: Everyone else
43.5 hours remain in the day. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
In other news, I'm finding Day 2's activity levels to be rather depressing so far. Don't make me adopt Bard's policy of shortening deadline times in response to people lurking constantly.
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So, this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695096.html#msg695096) is (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695097.html#msg695097) really interesting. Is there a *reason* you're indirectly protecting your scumbuddy or is it just for the lulz? And, uh, I really don't care that you ALMOST got "an invitation to shift your vote". Your posts really imply you want him dead now and then...nothing? Just a bit curious, yanno. Possibly curiouser.
Oh, also, Mean Ghost Girl is kind of great for posting little vignettes on everyone except...uh...people likely to get lynched today. There any particular reason you're avoiding the two most popular wagons or did it just seem like a good idea at the time?
Munak's latest post is incredibly hugely pain in the ass to read, but what I'm gathering from the awful awful unreadable anti town syntax is...you think Ibis and Bathory are scum? Fair enough, don't blame you on Ibis, still deciding on Bathory. But...what do you think of Necro and Kukaku in this case, the two we can point to for costing us yesterday's lynch?
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Master... you better watch your back...
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Munak wonders where everybody went.
Munak feels lonely.
Munak does not think that Necro Gardna and Kukaku Shiba look particularly scummy.
Munak will, however, be rereading Necro Gardna and Mr. Barett sometime in the near future.
Munak has noted Mean Ghost Girl's defense of miss Pamela in #205.
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I'm sorry :ohdear: I think I'm part of the reason everyone is busy today! I was investigating this graveyard looking for the cause of the divine spirits all over Gensokyo. I think I saw the red-white and black-white witch here too! Lady Yuyuko seemed to think the culprit is somewhere around here. Don't worry, I'm almost past Stage 2!
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I find homework is best done
by somebody else at 3:00 a.m.~
So, I oversimplified Necro's case, and the part about Ayumu (which I think I clearified already) is a half-decent reason. But, thinking about it, I don't think whether he had a good reason or a bad reason to make the switch has to do with it. No one seems to be able to grasp this, but the quality of reasoning has nothing to do with him being scum or town.
refering back to this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693446.html#msg693446), He makes an entire paragraph devoted to explaining why he doesn't want to vote Ayumu anymore. Then he makes a paragraph twice as long, but filled with fluff like "While the bandwagon hop is neutral..." "...gives me the impression that she's not reading well. " and "since it seems aimed at lying low for awhile". He finishes off by saying that he'd be willing to switch back to Ayumu, which negates any town purpose for explaining why he feels Ayumu is a bad lynch.
If Gardnie was a townie, that post would have been much, much shorter. Something like "I still don't like Ayumu, but Pamela needs to explain exactly what about the Ayumu case it is that she supports." The Gardnie we have, however just feels like he's asking if it's okay if he makes a new case on someone else.
When I said I was willing to vote for you, it was for Day 2.
I was unwilling to immediately lynch you right after you decided to start getting involved.
Were you or were you not aware of how much time there was left in the day?
If you realized the day was getting too short, would you have kept your vote on Remilia, Switched to Ayumu, or Switched to me?
If the bandwagon had time to move onto me fully, and Ayumu was no longer an option, would you still have voted me despite what I quoted above from your post?
Also, what does "You want me to follow suit and vote on the person I believed to be likely town?" mean? Is this in reference to you voting me, or Ayumu, or someone else?
I still take issue with both of you posting before deadline without even considering the way wagons would move (Or in Sid's case, not move at all). But I suppose I should let this go somewhat, since this is a complete mod error (and he's even threatening to shorten the day. Ha.)
I'll have to reread Keikaku Shiba. The only notable thing I remember her doing is telling Remi that she has a day one gut read that she'll tell us "if she doesn't get killed." It sounds like she stalling to me, and it's a day one gut read (i.e. so totally never going to be important) so I don't see a reason to wait for her either.
Also, I checked Bogmire's last post again, and he really does need to put more effort into the game if he doesn't want to be considered scum. If you're voting me and using the reason "I'm confused! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg694348.html#msg694348)" as half the case, then you should at least ask me a few questions.
Also, since people are interested in my case on Youmu, it was two parts. The Buddying up with Arc part I mentioned, but also when I called her a meanie, I meant it. I didn't like her being overly aggressive, especially on early day one, because that's the time when scum can easily fake aggressiveness and townieness. First Impressions last a while (especially in anonymous games!) so I've learned to become weary of people who try to do that sort of thing. I've dropped the case on Youmu as of the start of day 2.
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Of course, I needed to justify voting for you, and part of that justification requires me to explain why Ayumu wasn't my primary target anymore. I never said that Ayumu was a bad lynch, just not my favourite choice. And of course, you not reading well was completely true, with rather inaccurate statements like 'no one was going after Remilla and Bogmire but people were going after me' when the opposite was true. After all, I'm not the only one who found your content lacking at the end of day 1, and I'm not so sure why you wanted me to just put forward my Ayumu one when the content-based part (fluff as you call it) was equally valid.
Since, through the entire game, you have only considered me and Ayumu (and perhaps Sid from the last post) as scummy, and since she hasn't exactly done anything after your Ayumu vote, I'm still interested in where Ayumu stands in your scumlist.
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I will have your body, master... It's time to feed!
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As much as Munak hates to interrupt the plethora of activity going on in here, Munak will make another post.
Munak sees another post by miss Pamela.
Munak notes that miss Pamela admits to misrepping Necro Gardna in said post.
Munak also notes that miss Pamela admits that Necro Gardna had decent points against Mr. Ayumu but that miss Pamela does not care at all.
Munak sees a paragraph about Mr. Barett.
Munak notes that this paragraph does not really say anything about what miss Pamela thinks of Mr. Barett.
Munak sees a paragraph about Keikaku Shiba.
Munak notes that this paragraph does not really say anything about what miss Pamela thinks of Keikaku Shiba.
Munak sees a paragraph about Bogmire.
Munak notes that this paragraph does not really say anything about what miss Pamela thinks of Bogmire.
Munak finds it funny that miss Pamela accuses others of filling up their posts with useless fluff when miss Pamela's own post appears to contain very little.
Munak notes that the above three paragraphs that Munak mentioned appear to be worded carefully enough that miss Pamela can claim to have suspected the three all along and jump onto their wagons whenever miss Pamela feels like it.
Munak also notes that miss Pamela only began mentioning these people after other people had voiced their suspicions of them.
Munak wonders why miss Pamela didn't deem explaining miss Pamela's reasons for wanting miss Youmu dead to be important enough to share at the time.
Munak also wonders what reason miss Pamela has to drop the case on miss Youmu.
Lady Arcueid flipped town, does that not give miss Pamela's buddying theory more credit?
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Were you or were you not aware of how much time there was left in the day?
If you realized the day was getting too short, would you have kept your vote on Remilia, Switched to Ayumu, or Switched to me?
If the bandwagon had time to move onto me fully, and Ayumu was no longer an option, would you still have voted me despite what I quoted above from your post?
Also, what does "You want me to follow suit and vote on the person I believed to be likely town?" mean? Is this in reference to you voting me, or Ayumu, or someone else?
The day ended alittle after I posted...So yes, I was not as aware of the deadline then I should have been. I had assumed the mod would tell us, if we were close to the deadline.
I would have kept to Remilia.
No I would have not voted you.
I believed Ayumu to be town, due to Meta and Bias. Therefore you asking me that I should follow up the wagon, shows me contradicting myself. I'm not sure of the importance of getting a Lynch every day is.
All Sid has done is to attack Remilla for logical faults and errors the entire game which do not lead to any judgment of her alignment. He hasn't even tried to convince the rest of town on his case. Also, his town reads are almost completely unjustified through objective reasons, and doesn't seem to be following the game very well outside of Remilla. In this respect, he seems to be coasting through D2 under the pretense of content, which is quite unforgivable until he comments on other stuff.
Is it not me who is getting Remilia to learn faster? Pointing out mistakes helps someone learn faster then just "I'll let this go and not point it out. Afterall its a newbie mistake~". The faster she learns, the more she posts. The fact is she is not posting her own content. Which means theres nothing to even make an alignment out of. This makes me find her more scummy.
I also going to need to ask your read on Remilia.
Are you saying you can completely tell the difference between scum and town?
Are you capable of being completely Unbiased?
Is having an objective read all that horrible?
Are you saying basing some things on older games completely wrong?
Your talking about unforgivable?
Of course, I needed to justify voting for you, and part of that justification requires me to explain why Ayumu wasn't my primary target anymore. I never said that Ayumu was a bad lynch, just not my favourite choice. And of course, you not reading well was completely true, with rather inaccurate statements like 'no one was going after Remilla and Bogmire but people were going after me' when the opposite was true. After all, I'm not the only one who found your content lacking at the end of day 1, and I'm not so sure why you wanted me to just put forward my Ayumu one when the content-based part (fluff as you call it) was equally valid.
As you said in bold here, if he really was not such a bad lynch, why did you change your vote right after Pamela Ibis decided to get more involved?
You could have waited for Day 2, after you hammer Ayumu, which means Pamela is able to posts more, while you learn more.
Yet you immediately decided to vote change to a person who is TELLING you she won't be here for the deadline.
The fact that you were not willing to wait for more information before you completely decided you wanted her dead.
I read what your saying right now as this "Too Scummy to be Scummy" is much better then "trying to be lay low for awhile."
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Whatever your effectiveness at being a self-appointed Mafia tutor may be, it is no substitute for your other roles as a player in the game, which is commenting on people not Remilla and actually convincing us as to why Remilla is scummy. You have done neither, directing most of your questions towards Remi over logical mistakes that don't have anything to do with alignment instead of giving us as conclusion for us to ascertain your stance. Also,all of your town reads are one-liners and not elaborated on, and are based solely on meta without any consideration of their actual actions in the game, thus they are actually subjective, not objective.
Your last set of points is a pretty valid question, though I don't understand your last sentence. My answer is that , I was willing to wait for more information, but more from Ayumu, and not from Pamela. Your point about Pamela being able to post more could have equally applied to Ayumu as well. Also, Pamela making a lame post like that after a day and a half of absence where she could think about things more simply did not show much promise, of course.
Also, you clearly support a Pamela lynch here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693551.html#msg693551). What gives? In the linked post, I also notice that you have issues with early Day 1 being 'concrete'. However, people other than Remi had this view too at that time, such as Arecuid and Youmu, so why didn't you address them as well? Why did you address only Remi and not me about the Pamela laying low part, when I put that forward first?
About my Remi read, she is one of the inexperienced question marks (like Bogmire) with no solid or original opinions, but seems to be trying. I wouldn't mind lynching her any day before LyLO just to get rid of such a question mark, but I would rather judge by interactions with flipped scum rather than by her content alone because of her lack of experience in comparison to people like Ayumu and Bogmire.
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Will be switching to Pamela for now, since I will not be here for the next 20 hours, mainly because her reasons for voting Ayumu on D1 (as to when it is right to copy and when it ain't) are simply not consistent, and is probably the worst hop on the Ayumu wagon yesterday. Other subjective things I have said already, but the above is the most damning point in my eyes. Also okay with an Ayumu lynch, given her lack of activity and usefulness. Sid and Count I would like to take a closer look into tomorrow, after a flip.
#Unvote
#Vote: Pamela
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I will post more content tonight, expect walls of sound and scum being outed.
In the mean time, the post above is Necro hoping on the easy wagon to lynchtown. Pamela votes right now are almost akin to scumclaims. Pamela IS TOWN.7
@Mod: Is that vote count correct?
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Apparently not! I can't read. Why nobody points out these mistakes to me when I actually make them, I have no idea.
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I don't think the votecount is right.. Cut by it being fixed, hooray!
Bogmire still hasn't posted? Kukaku is still on V/LA.. -.- The people I want to talk to most aren't even here.
Let's talk about something related to the votecount though. It's called ~voting~ and alot of you aren't doing it. This isn't forgivable after yesterday. GET YOUR VOTES DOWN THERE. Ayumu, did your not crying verson of your post have a vote in it that you lost? Sid Barret, you clearly have a few suspicions, I want to see which ones your vote follows up. Remilia.. sigh.. just vote for who you think is scum. I will say I don't support an Ibis Trigger lynch today either and am likely to switch to Kukaku if he doesn't improve when he gets back here. If she votes she'll already be ahead of some of you! :V
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Holy crap did that "soon" get derailed. :getdown:
I do not like how Necro is being almost all defensive for day 2.
His position at the end of Day 1 looks severely safe if a lynch happened as he stated being happy with either lynch.
His last post of D1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693549.html#msg693549) is a defense of Shiba. Why would you do that?
I'm going to wait for Kukaku to respond before making a concrete stance.
For now
##Vote: Necro Gardna
Edit - Cut by Roukanken D:
Oh right, almost forgot. I am a Masou Shoujo (Magically Equipped Girl)
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So I did a re-read of Necro yesterday but wasn't able to post because I got cut off from internet access shortly afterward.
Despite all the :words: Necro produced in D1 (and now in D2) I have major problems with his voting history. Firstly the vote for Youmu came about because Necro thought one of Youmu's posts expressing dislike of Remilia and dislike of those on her wagon sounded "disjointed and safe-looking". But during his unvote in post #91 Necro explains that Youmu's scumminess came from Necro's supposition of "Why Ayumu and not me?" Despite Youmu's repeated answers to this one question Necro is content to call all the noise he generated "trivial" even though he is unsatisfied with Youmu's responses. At the same time, there is no updated read of Youmu. This reminds me completely of what I did as scum in Jojo's, wherein I was forced to back off after generating pointless noise because people started agreeing with the person I was arguing with. Necro, I believe you asked me why I wanted people to justify voting for Ayumu. Because there are reasons and there are reasons. Let's look at yours. "In comparison, Ayumu, while having a RVS philosophy I totally agree with, doesn't have a case after so many posts, which is the worst offence town can ever commit. She needs a case on someone." Ayumu = scum because Ayumu doesn't have a case. Later you confirm this even more explicitly in your #143. Moreover, you examine his case on Bogmire, but you don't say whether it's a good case or not, only that (paraphrased) "a case citing copying points, by copying points, doesn't make sense." The term you are looking for is hypocritical, however you don't state whether this is scummy or not. It's not like you aren't guilty of a similar offense.
I still do accept all that has been said against Ayumu, and am still willing to hammer, despite me going for the 'too scum to be scum' route
So everybody voting Ayumu had reasons you would feel comfortable with agreeing to when push came to shove. This reads to me that you don't have YOUR OWN OPINION on what is scummy about ayumu. There is nothing direct. I sense no indication that you truely believe ayumu is scum even when you implied then and now, that he still has a good chance of being scum.
This is my most serious concern about you, but also I have problems with your pamela vote as well and I'll save that for another post shortly.
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Gardnie~
I still don't understand the town logic behind explaining why you're unvoting someone you think is scum to vote someone else you think is more scum? If someone is more scum than the person you're voting, then the vote should flow naturally, but yours doesn't. Why did you feel the need to explain why you feel the case on Ayumu was bad when you don't even think it was bad?
Sid
So, to get this straight, you thought I was town after my post on day one, and didn't vote me because you believed quicklynching a townie had less town value than a no-lynch? And that your read on me was further subject to how I handled today?
"Munak sees a paragraph about X.
Munak notes that this paragraph does not really say anything about what miss Pamela thinks of X."
Could you please point to the parts of those Paragraphs where I wasn't grilling Sid for something that I think was used to further scum agenda, I didn't suggest that letting Kakukekiko live had no pro-town worth, and that I didn't accuse Bogmire of being lurking scum? Okay, thanks~ :derp:
To expand on Bogmire, I'll also add that I think Remilia is town due to the clear difference in the way they handle the situation of being new to the game. Remilia shows no remorse, and even though she admits she can't do much, she still tries to add to the game as much as she thinks she could. Bogmire on the other hand is completely lurking out the game, and his last post contains an attempt to placate anyone who uses his not-voting against him combined with a placeholder vote on me. This is the demonstrative difference between Newbtown and Newbscum
List of Lynch:
Necro Gardnie
Boggy
Sid
Kukukachoo
Cutx2: Yay~
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Necro Gardna (3) - Count von Count, Pamela Ibis, Ayumu Aikawa
Pamela Ibis (3) - Munak, Bogmire, Necro Gardna
Kukaku Shiba (2) - Reg Shoe, Elizabeth Bathory
Bogmire (1) - Youmu Konpaku
Elizabeth Bathory (1) - Mean Ghost Girl
Not voting: Everyone else
23 hours remain in the day. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Bogmire, Mean Ghost Girl, and Reg Shoe have been prodded.
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Ayumu, you ought to be
trolled vigged with how unimpressive your last two posts are.
At the moment you are calling Necro's posts "safe" in the case there was a lynch, but because there was none, I find whatever point you were trying to make null. Necro is "defensive" because people are attacking him. It's quite natural. I think you are trying to come up with original reasons for a Necro vote so it looks like you have something to contribute... when in fact you have nothing. You should have a "concrete" stance already, barring whether Shiba is here or not based on her D1 actions. You said she was suspicious earlier for "IioA and wagon hop" but yet think that your vote is better placed on Necro for behavior that is less scummy than what you proclaimed Shiba did. Unless you think seeming "safe" is more scummy than "suspicious for IioA + vote-hop".
I was going to do this before, but I think you've said enough at this point.
##Soul Eat: Ayumu
You get to have one post before dying, or you die in the next 12 hours.
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Master... You might regret turning your back on me...
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Munak wonders how lady Bathory can be so certain of miss Pamela's alignment.
Munak will apologize to miss Pamela in regards to the three paragraphs.
Munak still thinks that miss Pamela is scum, though.
Did Munak just get cut by a vig?
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It's a delayed vig. After Ayumu posts his "last words", he will die and the VC will reset. Otherwise, after 12 hours pass wherein Ayumu doesn't post, he will die and the VC resets.
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Also, if a hammer were to occur in the time between, Ayumu still dies with the lynch. Obviously I prefer we don't do that.
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I haven't had time to catch up yet. If we're going to get a flip now, I can work with that.
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I'm not in the mood to give a full summary of Pamela/Necro interactions but suffice it to say I don't find issues with Pamela's D2 posts which makes up for her awful D1 post (it was awful because none of her reads wre explained satisfactorily). As much as a few of us think that Remilia and Bogmire should be under heavy scrutiny, there are others who are willing to give one or both the Newbie card. This actually seems to be a point of contention between Necro and Pamela as to what the "right" view is. This is noise, and in major part was amplified by Necro taking one sentence of Pamela's D1 post and using it against her to justify a vote switch. I could go on... but I need to examine everybody else because I'm not giving their posts the same attention as Necro/Pamela so far.
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This might seem like a silly question, but why didn't you shoot Necro Gardna? And.. you.. realize if he's scum and doesn't post, we'll have 12 hours to turn a fresh voteless count into a lynch? Why did you wait so long to do this? I'm facepalming so hard right now, we can't be no-lynching again!
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...What? Well, let's hurry this up then.
Necro is probably scum. Bogmire is invisible, he should not reach Lylo. Pamela is probably town. Oh, and Remilia is town. Good day.
Also, Ayumu is a guy. There's your answer folks.
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Bogmire has requested a replacement.
If one is not found before in the end of N2, then he will be modkilled.
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HERP DERP. Thanks HW for covering that demasking.
Anyway what I said was,
If it wasn't obvious, that was a fakevig.
Welp. Ayumu, you passed this test. But I expect that you explain your reads. For starters, Why is Necro more likely scum than Shiba?
Also, Thanks for that last bit about your gender. It was getting annoying reading "her/herself" in the thread.
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Just got back from travelling, will post once I get to settle down and catch up.
To answer a quick question, my "secret read" was Arcueid, but she ended up dying, so. >_>
In any case, give me ~5-6 hours to make a substantial post. I can probably make quick posts before then.
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Shiba, can you give another quick post? Off the Cuff, what about Arc did you not like? This need not be a long answer.
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A bit of a summary here: she had a lot of stances, but few of them seemed really fleshed out or particularly clear as to what he felt about their alignment. In addition, I really disliked the nature of her attack on Ayumu.
He went from this:
I think Ayumu is kind of stupid. They seemed surprised that somebody took a second glance at their empty unvote revote, and even more surprised they were asked for a reason in RVS. My kneejerk reaction would've been to vote like you did, but I held off because I don't particularly think that's necessarily a scum action in itself. It seems like a stupid mistake more than a particularly scummy slip.
I'm not particularly sold on this completely clearing it because that could be a stupid mistake scum could make as well, I'm just not going to completely jump at an empty unvote revote as 'SCUM LYNCH IMMEDIATELY.'
To this:
Ayumu: So... Got an excuse for literally not doing jack shit? This is really far too little too late and not impressive at all. Reads as if you're shooting for Bogmire out of a desperate attempt to get the wagon off of you rather than actually thinking their scummy. Yes, Bogmire is doing pretty awfully and trying to stay inconspicious. You are doing the exact same by expressing grievances on Bogmire that are nothing new and acting like this is some huge revelation. Also you've never actually mentioned Bogmire before but you act like you were totally watching him.
This along with the revelation you've been capable of posting but very literally have not in favor of trying to pick apart one sentence from your jokevote who is gaining support to be lynched makes me think you're rather literally the worst scum player I have ever met. I'd be willing to hammer you at this juncture.
It felt like he was using strong language to justify a lynch on a bad player.
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Alright, that makes me feel a lot better. That last paragraph in particular you quoted was something I was staring at for a while as well.
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All right, you all are milling about with dumb looks on your face on the heels of a friggen no lynch yesterday. What the fuck is wrong with you all? We have TWENTY HOURS left in the day.
##Unvote, Vote Necro (L-3)
We're not lynching Pamela today. She's not scum and people voting her are either dumb or scum. You should make it clear for us! So, that leaves Necro or Shiba as a distant second. I'd really rather kill Bog, but I can go for the Necro lynch. The whole "LET'S LYNCH PAMELA WITH A FEW HOURS TO DEADLINE SO THAT TOWN NO LYNCHES" thing is bloody awful.
Wagon. NOW. I want him at L-1 in the next 8 hours or I'm going to be VERY unamused. And you do not want me unamused.
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Youmu, I have no idea what any of your stances are. Your posts today in particular are all over the place. Could you elaborate a little?
In addition, I dislike all the people who are harping about NO LYNCH YESTERDAY OMG. The last votecount the mod posted before deadline purported the deadline to be a few hours later than it actually was. I find people who are twisting this into a scum tell highly suspicious.
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EBWOP: Let me clarify that. I see your Bogmire case, and I understand where it's coming from. But I want to see your Necro, Shiba, and town!Pamela cases.
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Pamela is town because she's town. Do you people never learn that I see no reason to give scum a Handbook Of Town Tells?
I've already explained why Necro is scum. The attempt to divert the lynch off Ayumu had little chance of success. I feel it was a ploy to get no lynch, and could potentially have been a ploy to save Ayumu scum, though that possibility is more remote after Count's fakevig. Your support of it would be for the same reason(s). And, we agree that I've adequetely explained why Bogmire is awful. I'm not going to do some long winded PBPA thing pointing out every word you said wrong. The end of D1 behavior was bad enough. Even with three hours I don't think you'd have gotten the steam you'd need, and I think you knew that. I find it hilarious that you're trying to discredit the tell because you can't defend it.
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See, master? This is why the living should die... they die anyway.
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Munak still remains convinced in Munak being correct about miss Pamela being scum.
Munak also thinks that lady Bathory is scum.
Munak has not yet had the time to reread Necro Gardna.
However, Munak should be able to get this done before the last 12 hours of the day.
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Excuse the delay; my net is trolling me because of the storm.
Pamela is town because she's town.
I see no reasoning for this, and no attempt to divert the wagon off Pamela by giving good reasons why she would be town. This is not what town does; it is, however, what scum does when they're trying to earn undeserved townie cred.
As for the "diverting the lynch" tell, I am discrediting this "tell" because it's complete bullshit, and I think you realize this despite the fact that you are pushing it. Let's dissect this, eh?
1) I disliked the Ayumu wagon. I found Pamela scummier than Ayumu. Naturally I would support a lynch on her over Ayumu.
2) Again, people didn't know about the shifting deadline. You're suggesting the players who switched to Pamela are psychic enough to realize that huhwhat would cut off discussion at the end of the day without even warning anyone? I hate no lynch as much as the next player, I woke up 2 hours after deadline, and I would have switched to Ayumu if need be to get a lynch.
3) The fact that you are still hanging on to this tired reasoning despite it not standing up to any test of logic is ridiculously scummy.
The end of D1 behavior was bad enough.
Complete and total bull. Give me some semblance of logic; throwing blanket statements without anything to back them up is bloody frustrating. I can't "defend" a case when it's founded on bullshit.
##FoS: Youmu Konpaku
In addition, you're leaving yourself plenty of options by making lots of shotgun attacks on other people.
Will read the other players soon.
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EBWOP: Oh, and I realize that two people are voting me. I'm not ignoring you, I just haven't gotten around to you yet, so be patient~
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Actually you're acting exceptionally stupid if you think scum are the only ones who have a reason to hold back the reasoning for town reads, as well as attempting to discredit me because you have no other defense. I have strong reasons to believe Pamela is town. I see no reason to share them with the class unless she's seriously in danger of being lynched. Which she isn't, because I won't allow it.
Your switch to Pamela yesterday was timed conveniently enough to more or less short circuit the lynch, extra three hours or no. THAT'S what I'm saying.
You know what I say about your scumplaining about "logic"? I've given you logic. You refuse to accept it because it'd be tantamount to admitting your scum. So, honestly, I really don't care if you "can't defend it". The reason you can't defend is because you know I'm right, and your only weapon left is to discredit me. Cry more, we'll lynch you tomorrow.
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Your switch to Pamela yesterday was timed conveniently enough to more or less short circuit the lynch, extra three hours or no. THAT'S what I'm saying.
Because I was totally voting Ayumu at that time, right? ::) Really, explain how my vote switch short circuited the lynch. I'm really interested.
You know what I say about your scumplaining about "logic"? I've given you logic. You refuse to accept it because it'd be tantamount to admitting your scum. So, honestly, I really don't care if you "can't defend it". The reason you can't defend is because you know I'm right, and your only weapon left is to discredit me. Cry more, we'll lynch you tomorrow.
You're either being a complete idiot, or you're scum. I don't care about discrediting either of the two, really. I'd like to think that the people behind your account can put out better stuff than this drivel you're trying to use to discredit me.
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Actually, why not vote for me today? I'll gladly put myself in a 1v1 with you.
##Vote: Youmu Konpaku
I've lost interest in this game, and I don't want to go out by modkill.
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EBWOP: Especially since you think I'm scummier than Necro. Put your money where your mouth is.
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EBWODP: I'm completely serious about the 1v1 btw.
I'll type up a detailed case later, along with opinions on everyone else.
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Kookie is being very reactionary, and I think that, on the chance that she winds up being town, that this is getting in the way of her ability to hunt scum.
What do you think about the main reasoning behind my vote for Necro? That being the fact that Necro's voteswitch to me yesterday doesn't feel like genuine town thinking that I was scum?
Also, say for example that we did have three more hours, and I was lynched in that three hours. Would you have, in good conscious, taken a look at the four people who would have voted me in the span of the last three hours of the first day of the game, and used their reasoning, however poor it was, against them? The only person we would have to look at today is Gardnie for the entire case, and I don't think Gardnie actually intended to take responsibility for the case. I think scum were trying to throw in some extra confusion without actually having the lynch land on me. Does the fact that the day ended three hours earlier change this line of reasoning at all?
Munak, I think I've answered most if not all of your questions. Could you please go back and bring up all of the things that are relevant to you believing I'm scum? That would help a lot~<3
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I'm up for making wagons any time if I think they'll land on scum. ┐(￣ー￣)┌
I don't find your reasoning for your Necro vote disagreeable, but I don't think he's scum for reasons I'll explain later. Compare this to Youmu's reasoning for her Necro vote; wait, what reasoning? (?･ω･`)
Also, say for example that we did have three more hours, and I was lynched in that three hours. Would you have, in good conscious, taken a look at the four people who would have voted me in the span of the last three hours of the first day of the game, and used their reasoning, however poor it was, against them?
This paragraph is invalid because it assumes something I can't assume (namely, that you're town).
The only person we would have to look at today is Gardnie for the entire case, and I don't think Gardnie actually intended to take responsibility for the case.
I agree that Necro looks bad for trying to hedge his bets, but I think it's likely he was just trying to point something out before the end of the day. The Ayumu case was growing stale for almost everyone on the wagon.
I think scum were trying to throw in some extra confusion without actually having the lynch land on me. Does the fact that the day ended three hours earlier change this line of reasoning at all?
What extra confusion? If the day ended three hours later, judging by the number of people who had expressed a desire to lynch Ayumu (Mean Ghost Girl, Munak, Necro, etc.) it's highly likely Ayumu would be been lynched regardless. Necro wasn't the only one who switched away from Ayumu at the end of the day. It looks like people are blaming him because the wagon actually took form; in that case, why not blame me? ┐( ?∀? )┌
Pamela, you seem to think I'm scum, would you consider voting me over Necro? I'm serious about the modkill. I don't really like any of the wagons today. I'd vote you or Necro over a no lynch, but I think Youmu is much more likely to be scum.
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Okay, I'm really supposed to make a nice big post about now. Actually, more like about 8 hours ago. But I'm just... so sleepy.
I'll make a better post when I wake up.
About this Kukaku/Youmu spat, Iunno, I kind of like Kukaku a bit in this. I need to read over it again while I'm thinking straight, however.
Those Necro/Sid/Kukaku rereads I was supposed to do haven't really happened yet. Going to get around to that, definitely. When I wake up. Probably. Maybe. Hopefully.
I kind of hope a votecount has appeared by the time I wake up. Also, with the deadline being later then it was D1, I'll definitely appear by the time deadline hits, at least to change my vote in order to help secure a lynch if nothing else (But god dammit I should have more to say then a vote change by then).
At the moment it looks like it's gonna be Necro, but I haven't reread Necro... bleh. I think I remember lots of people saying they didn't like Kukaku though, so with the recent upset, maybe it'll shift?
...I'm ranting. I wouldn't have made a post while I'm in this state if it wasn't that I got prodded like 6 hours ago for not posting. I hadn't even realized it had been so long since my last post, probably because at the time, barely anyone had said anything since my last post yet. Oh yeah, ranting. I'm going to bed. This post is bad.
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Actually, why not vote for me today? I'll gladly put myself in a 1v1 with you.
##Vote: Youmu Konpaku
I've lost interest in this game, and I don't want to go out by modkill.
Scum:
Kukaku
Necro
Youmu
There you go. Scum team nailed, GG.
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You're doing it wrong. ☆〜（ゝ。∂）
Are you trying to magically swing the wagons again at the last minute? Even Hollows learn after getting stung the first time. 1 vs 1ing I am so cool with that you don't even know. I personally think you're much more likely to flip scum then Necro Gardna. You even used I'll get to it later again. I have to ask if you got dropped on your head though, if you seriously think people will buy your oopsie excuse if you somehow got me flipped today. More likely what you're doing is giving your vote an excuse not to be pushing a viable wagon, AGAIN. And from the sounds of it, you don't actually think Pamela is scum, so I don't get why you're arguing with us about it.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shiba Kukaku Kukananey
It would be nice to have votes on who I want right now, Bogmire is either going to flip himself or become someone who'll post more so I can finally convince people to lynch the hell out of him so hooray! I'll be around the entire time so we'll see if we can finish pushing you off the bridge. Sadly I'm not sure if it'll happen. There's definitely no one that wants to go after Sid or Remilia. (How many zombies can't remember who's playing unless you use the front page list?) There's too many suspects and not enough days to do the lynching. Ayumu's reaction was good enough that we're not interested in him.
Cut by a post that makes me want to punch it in the mouth that doesn't answer any of the questions I asked it earlier. Less bla bla more rereads and being productive.
Cut by a thing that makes even less sense then that other post. I'm just going to answer with 'lolno'.
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So, you're not even willing to think for a moment that I'm town? Not even in a hypothetical?
there's more scum merit to jumping off of the main bandwagon and onto another one than hoping it ends in a no lynch. For example, if Ayumu was lynched and flipped town, he'd have been able to launch off of his paragraph of why he didn't like the bandwagon on Ayumu to clear himself of the wagon, and no one would give him bad looks and he'd be able to pursue the case on me, today. This would give him a day to be clear, since there wouldn't be anything to pin on him or cause people to notice him.
Again, it's not the fact that he started a wagon. It's the way he tried to start the wagon.
I'm tempted to take you up on your offer to vote, but considering how fast wagons move this game, and how much success we had yesterday, I don't want to try it. Not only that, but the more I think about possible reasons for wanting to make this spat with Youmu a 1 vs. 1 with her, the more I feel like voting you and moving away from Gardnie is a trap.
Cut: Well, I guess there's plenty of support for the Kookie wagon after all.
Lizzy: I can assure you Youmu and Kookie aren't on the same team. Don't just say "Scum team nailed" like that. It just makes you look arrogant and stupid.
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I just noticed after reading Youmu's last post in depth.
This paragraph is invalid because it assumes something I can't assume (namely, that [Pamela is ] town).
I don't really like any of the wagons today. I'd vote [Pamela] or Necro over a no lynch, but I think Youmu is much more likely to be scum.
So, if I'm not Town, and if I'm not worthy of being a wagon, then what am I?
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Just checking this thread now after a few games of LoL.
Which one of you is JUST! so many little adorable ascii faces! I'm still more interested in lynching Necro than either of you ragers. Strictly speaking, I'm not inspired by Shiba's threat of modkill, which is the only thing I looked at seriously between the two of you.
One thing to make a note of. My fakevig's only purpose was to get Ayumu to post.. once more. Since it's like pulling teeth. Luckily he provided us with reads, but it's up to him to post again well before day's end to justify and support them. Otherwise they don't hold much value. Just because Ayumu didn't do the equivlent of claiming scum, he should not be considered green town.
Also... Bathory. I really think you might do better to post the reasons for your scum reads again... like you promised earlier. I highly doubt scum are demotivated enough this game to blow their cover so easily.
I have really never thought less of Mean Ghost Girl as anything other than town. Even with silly rants. cut by Pam
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Pamela: How would it be a trap? Either way, in your view, it lynches scum, right?
Also, I don't think you're scum now due to scum!Youmu prancing about in front of me. I think I'll trust her judgement that you're town. But that wouldn't have applied when I saw your post yesterday. You assume I'm some sort of criminal mastermind or something. I'm not; I just vote who I think looks scummy. ┐('～`；)┌
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Well you ARE a criminal mastermind aren't you? Bomb Building Smuggler! (*?∀?)=3
Lady Yuyuko encourages me to be more dainty. If it makes you feel better, we would have bought her as not town yesterday too, so your vote train could have gone a little higher. (Ｔ▽Ｔ)
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Are you trying to magically swing the wagons again at the last minute? Even Hollows learn after getting stung the first time. 1 vs 1ing I am so cool with that you don't even know. I personally think you're much more likely to flip scum then Necro Gardna.
Precisely. See, yesterday I was trying to save my scumbuddy Ayumu! Today, I'm trying to save my scumbuddy Necro! Jeez guys, sorry for being so incredibly transparent. It's okay though, I'm not going to bus you today. <3
I mean it's either that or I tried to swing wagons off of people I thought were town and move the wagons to people I thought were scum, but that's crazy talk. I mean, who does that? Certainly not anyone in this town.
You even used I'll get to it later again.
No idea what you're talking about sis. I gotta empty my basement after it got flooded during the storm, jah?
I have to ask if you got dropped on your head though, if you seriously think people will buy your oopsie excuse if you somehow got me flipped today. More likely what you're doing is giving your vote an excuse not to be pushing a viable wagon, AGAIN.
Hey, that's my line! Except I'm supposed to say to you, "more likely what you're doing is giving a vote an excuse not to have a viable reason, again."
And from the sounds of it, you don't actually think Pamela is scum, so I don't get why you're arguing with us about it.
I'm not. ???
Cut by a thing that makes even less sense then that other post. I'm just going to answer with 'lolno'.
^Best part of Youmu's post.
Cut by a post offering friendship and rainbows and unicorns. :wat:
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There are a lot of things that could make this a trap.
Scum bomb
Scum Governor
Gardnie could have a better role than you do
it just feels like you're trying to buy time for your team for some reason.
Also, I'm calling you on your modkill bluff. If you do get modkilled, that's one less scum we have to lynch.
Cut: No one said Ayumu was your scum buddy except maybe Count.
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Master, you are trying to join me on my side, right?
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Munak notes lady Bathory's assertion that there are 3 scum in this game.
Munak does not understand why everybody thinks that miss Pamela is aligned with town.
What does Munak dislike about miss Pamela?
1. Miss Pamela misrepping Necro Gardna.
Miss Pamela has admitted to doing this in #214.
2. Miss Pamela's second point about Necro Gardna in #214 looks to Munak like a weak excuse to keep miss Pamela's vote parked on Necro Gardna.
3. Miss Pamela's new suspects have all come out of the blue, and Munak notes that every single one of them are targets that other people have already voiced suspicion of.
4. Miss Pamela's first real post was a blatant hop that miss Pamela tried to pass off as a serious attempt at finding scum.
5. In miss Pamela's first post, miss Pamela randomly threw in suspicions of miss Youmu but felt no need to explain this to the rest of the town.
Munak really wants miss Pamela or lady Bathory dead today.
Munak is now rereading Necro Gardna.
... And Munak is cut by something weird.
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I ain't a scum anything; I'm just a silly townie who wished she had a vig.
You seem to think I'm scum anyway. So put your vote where your mouth is.
I don't want to get modkilled, but I do want out of the game. I'm not claiming scum because that would be lying and would probably get me some sort of card.
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Master... Give me one good reason why I shouldn't tear your apart and devour you?
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Munak wonders how Munak is supposed to finish Munak's rereads when all this weird stuff is going on.
Munak highly dislikes having the day ultimately turned into a 1v1.
Munak has no idea what to make of it right now.
Mean Ghost Girl's latest post is all sorts of terrible and Munak expects a decent post whenever the hell Mean Ghost Girl decides to return.
A quick read over Necro Gardna still doesn't convince Munak that Necro Gardna is scum.
Munak is highly confused right now.
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My vote is where my mouth is.
On Gardnie.
@Munak: I think you're holding on to point 4 a little too tightly considering the way today goes, but I'll forgive you. On point 3, it sounds more like a "Pam is scum, therefore this is scum" way of thinking. It could just as well have been that other people were able to get to points where people showed their scumminess and talked about them before I did. I'm not sure point 2 is a very strong point either, because that was only one part of my case, and a part weak enough that i didn't really consider bringing it up again when restating why I disliked Gardnie. I don't have anything to say about points 1 and 5 (especially since I already answered what I could about point 5.)
This isn't a 1 vs. 1 between Youmu and Kookie This is just Kookie trying to be loud and distracting the lynch from Gardnie. I don't even see where there's a case on Youmu outside of the fact that Youmu was using the deadline issue yesterday as a scumtell. This whole debate started with Kookie arguing with Youmu to try and discredit it as a scumtell. Kookie basically came out of no where, defended Gardnie for no reason, Tried to discredit the wagon on him with weak reasoning, and is trying to make her argument with Youmu into such a big deal when it's not and forcing a 1 vs. 1 against her, and has been actively trying to get me to switch off of a Gardnie wagon onto even herself if that's what it takes.
It's amazing how blind people are to the between the lines. Kookie is being completely blatant in her intentions here.
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Munak, Pamela is town because [REDACTED]. She's [REDACTED] her [REDACTED] and we're [REDACTED] [REDACTED]. It doesn't technically clear her but it's really, really unlikely to us. Bathory is a thing, but I don't see her lynch anywhere near happening and not over this nonsense. I'd prefer you to be on a lynch that can happen that isn't Pamela. What do you think of Shiba if you're not convinced of Gardna?
Shiba, no matter your alignment I'd prefer for you to want to play, one way or the other. Even if you're an evil zombie I'll treat you well in Hakugyokurou!
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Votecount: Bored Townie Edition
Kukaku Shiba (3) - Reg Shoe, Elizabeth Bathory, Youmu Konpaku
Necro Gardna (3) - Count von Count, Pamela Ibis, Ayumu Aikawa
Pamela Ibis (3) - Munak, Bogmire, Necro Gardna
Elizabeth Bathory (1) - Mean Ghost Girl
Youmu Konpaku (1) - Kūkaku Shiba
We apparently have only 15 hours left as of this post, so it would be nice if MGG and Kookie came to their senses in whichever version of the phrase that applies to the both of them. I also notice we're missing Remilia and Sid's votes, so if either of you could do so, that would make me not hate you forever.
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A crumb in a crumb
One cannot be so blind as
to insist on scum
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If my lynch is what it takes to get you chumps to stop playing pants on head, I gladly volunteer myself for the effort.
I always make a good info lynch anyway. So experience tells me.
I'll get an actual post out once I get done with not-mafia, because that's much more entertaining than whatever this is. As for the other lynches, Pamela lynch interests me only marginally over Necro lynch, but I don't like either of those lynches. Bathory is bonkers but not scummy last time I checked.
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I still have no idea who to vote.
All this noise is really distracting.
Also for Pamela, I'm slightly leaning town now. She is looking a whole lot better compared to D1.
Kukaku should start wanting to play the game more, and with all this noise she's making, I'll be fine with her lynch.
Sid I finally get what you're doing when you point out my mistakes (thanks for that by the way, it's actually helping me :)), but I as well as many others would like more opinions on other people. More than just a bit. Give as much as you can. And if you want to, you can try and convince people that I'm scum (which I'm not).
Youmu is really starting to get too aggressive. She should still calm down some more.
Count I thank you for the fakevig (which I thought for the record sounded real). It really helped getting Ayumu to finally post. Count is so town that I'll be shitting myself if he's scum.
Necro is am so confused with.
Bathory is a bit suspicious.
Everyone else is not important leaning town.
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>V-V-Votecount
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EBWOP: Should probably bold that.
>V-V-Votecount
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Unless what Pamela posted was an updated votecount. In that case disregard my last two posts.
Also I think I might just get a vote out there.
Vote:Kukaku Shiba
I think we could really do without a 1v1 plus all this noise is distracting. And if we have a lynch, then as Shiba said, we can get so much more information regardless of alignment (though more information if Kukaku flips scum). Also agreeing with a lot of the above reasons (sorry Sid but I do).
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EBWOP: I should really pay more attention.
##Vote:Kukaku Shiba
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I reread the game as much as I wanted (which is very little). There's nothing to say, really. This game is such a bother; I wonder why I join in the first place? So I'll blah blah some.
I have no idea what Bathory's case on me, so I can't respond to it. However, she looks like a wordsmith compared to Reg Shoe, who is voting me as far as I can tell because I'm connected to his top suspects. Bathory looks better than Shoe here, but it's hard to tell because you're all so lurky.
Blatant parroting and lack of scumhunting intent, Kukaku is perfectly fine with that?
All you people on the Ayumu wagon had the same reasons. It's day one. I'm fine with it if the switch makes sense.
I thought the deadline was three hours later and slept right through the end. :ohdear: I don't think I could have made a difference with how things went, but still. Lady Yuyuko I'm sorry!
So that end of day distraction was pretty horrible. The last time a group of entreprenuring individuals tried to do that we weren't in a majority lynch situation. I think it's worse that the same people didn't stick around to vote BACK onto the wagon in case their last second lynch didn't go through. The same experience leads me to believe that a wagon on anything but town wasn't going to spring up out of the blue. Not interested in Pamela right now.
More of why I dislike Youmu. She herself thought the deadline was three hours later, and she's attacking people for not being around to switch to lynch Ayumu?
I'm surprised, and by that I mean incredibly suspicious that Ayumu of all people wasn't here to try and support his/her/it's own alternate wagon and kept himself voteparked the entire time, even through his flailing. I'm going to reread and decide if the people who were effectively voting for no one are worse then the already-suspicious people that derailed any chance of a lynch today. At this rate 2000 Yojanas won't be enough to sort out the zombies!
I know you say you're not suspicious of Ayumu right now for some reason, but I just wanted to say that his "votepark" was clearly support for an alternate wagon.
Shiba, no matter your alignment I'd prefer for you to want to play, one way or the other. Even if you're an evil zombie I'll treat you well in Hakugyokurou!
I was going to respond to this, but then I saw something else.
You know what I say about your scumplaining about "logic"? I've given you logic. You refuse to accept it because it'd be tantamount to admitting your scum. So, honestly, I really don't care if you "can't defend it". The reason you can't defend is because you know I'm right, and your only weapon left is to discredit me. Cry more, we'll lynch you tomorrow.
Stuff like this, yeah no. Go die in a fire.
Anyway, Count and Munak are town. Remilia and Ayumu are probably town but need to talk more. Youmu is scum. Pamela is misrepping the hell out of me, so she goes in the same negative neutral pile as Shoe. Everyone else is neutral or doesn't post enough.
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Cue cries of "scum Shiba is faking her reads." Naw man, naw.
The Pamela post in question that I dislike:
This isn't a 1 vs. 1 between Youmu and Kookie This is just Kookie trying to be loud and distracting the lynch from Gardnie. I don't even see where there's a case on Youmu outside of the fact that Youmu was using the deadline issue yesterday as a scumtell. This whole debate started with Kookie arguing with Youmu to try and discredit it as a scumtell. Kookie basically came out of no where, defended Gardnie for no reason, Tried to discredit the wagon on him with weak reasoning, and is trying to make her argument with Youmu into such a big deal when it's not and forcing a 1 vs. 1 against her, and has been actively trying to get me to switch off of a Gardnie wagon onto even herself if that's what it takes.
It's amazing how blind people are to the between the lines. Kookie is being completely blatant in her intentions here.
Okay bro. Explain how the deadline issue is a scumtell.
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Who is this Sid Barett guy and are what are his opinions? <-- This is a prod for opinions because there are none.
Mean Ghost Girl's latest post is hilarious. It lets her jump onto any of the bandwagons at the end of the day as she sees fit. Put her in the negative neutral pile as well.
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So, this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695096.html#msg695096) is (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695097.html#msg695097) really interesting. Is there a *reason* you're indirectly protecting your scumbuddy or is it just for the lulz? And, uh, I really don't care that you ALMOST got "an invitation to shift your vote". Your posts really imply you want him dead now and then...nothing? Just a bit curious, yanno. Possibly curiouser.
Youmu, I'm curious about your Bathory opinion. Do you actually think she's scum, or are you just throwing dirt?
We don't even know if Pamela is town.
I have strong reasons to believe Pamela is town. I see no reason to share them with the class unless she's seriously in danger of being lynched. Which she isn't, because I won't allow it.
Munak, Pamela is town because [REDACTED]. She's [REDACTED] her [REDACTED] and we're [REDACTED] [REDACTED]. It doesn't technically clear her but it's really, really unlikely to us.
I also find your hard defense of Pamela for shady reasons highly suspicious.
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I still have no idea who to vote.
All this noise is really distracting.
Also for Pamela, I'm slightly leaning town now. She is looking a whole lot better compared to D1.
Kukaku should start wanting to play the game more, and with all this noise she's making, I'll be fine with her lynch.
Sid I finally get what you're doing when you point out my mistakes (thanks for that by the way, it's actually helping me :)), but I as well as many others would like more opinions on other people. More than just a bit. Give as much as you can. And if you want to, you can try and convince people that I'm scum (which I'm not).
Youmu is really starting to get too aggressive. She should still calm down some more.
Count I thank you for the fakevig (which I thought for the record sounded real). It really helped getting Ayumu to finally post. Count is so town that I'll be shitting myself if he's scum.
Necro is am so confused with.
Bathory is a bit suspicious.
Everyone else is not important leaning town.
Ah, hello Remilia. Could you clarify your opinions on scummitude on the people you listed here? It's not very clear.
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Youmu, I'm curious about your Bathory opinion. Do you actually think she's scum, or are you just throwing dirt?
Forgot to finish this thought. Because from what I can tell, her list of suspicions (Shiba + Necro) is pretty much the same as yours.
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>.> Okay so Youmu is alot grumpier then I am. I'm sure she still likes you as an unliving person.
I didn't realize the votecount itself was messed up when I said that. And if you were really re-reading me you might realize I said I preferred going after the zombies who were quietly sitting out the lynch to either you or Necro. That doesn't seem to have worked out. I'm getting tired of you acting like we've been trying to lynch you all Day, it's overdefensive and it's a misrepresentation. It might shock you that all your reactions ~after~ and ~right now~ are helping me get comfortable voting you out of the graveyard bringing you enlightenment through the sword!
Well I don't feel too good about her after her last post. :p She is suspicious, like many of the lurkers.
There are like fourteen hours between those posts. -.- Our opinion changed because of Pamela's [REDACTED] that we decided was townie.
GODDAMNIT STOP CUTTING ME I AM THE ONE WITH THE SWORDS HERE.
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Pahaha.
I didn't realize the votecount itself was messed up when I said that. And if you were really re-reading me you might realize I said I preferred going after the zombies who were quietly sitting out the lynch to either you or Necro.
But in the end you decided to go for Necro anyway? I realize you're using this guise of "WE NEED A LYNCH GUYS," but I dunno, I think scum lynches are better than going along with the flow, neh? Which is what I'm saying; I'm getting a very "go with the flow" attitude from you.
That doesn't seem to have worked out. I'm getting tired of you acting like we've been trying to lynch you all Day, it's overdefensive and it's a misrepresentation.
I can't help but be overdefensive when I have to defend myself against allegations that are made of smoke and mirrors. ;) I've been waiting for something to defend against. Actually, that was what started this entire exchange to begin with, wasn't it? I don't like it when people say "oh you scum lol" without giving any justification, and, in fact, hand-waving justification when asked.
It might shock you that all your reactions ~after~ and ~right now~ are helping me get comfortable voting you out of the graveyard bringing you enlightenment through the sword!
Good, I hate this game anyway. It manages to piss me off to no end.
Our opinion changed because of Pamela's [REDACTED] that we decided was townie.
I'll be frank. I find Pamela's most recent posts scummier than yours. But I still have no idea what you're trying to pull with the Pamela defense.
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Ah, hello Remilia. Could you clarify your opinions on scummitude on the people you listed here? It's not very clear.
Kukaku: Neutral leaning scum
Count: Town
Bathory: Possibly scum
Youmu: Possibly scum
Ayumu: Leaning town
Sid: Leaning ever so slightly to scum
Pamela: Leaning town
Necro: ???
Everyone else is not important leaning town.
Remilia: The towniest town that ever lived!
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Yeah, in the end with zero support for my option we went with 'an option that can possibly flip scum'. We do kind of need that lynch thing, I heard it is how you narrow down the suspicious zombies. It's not fair, why do I always get ignored over the other playable characters? I work just as hard as that black-white at cases! It's hard to go with the flow when no one is going anywhere at all.
I think this exchange started with you screaming NECRO MUST LIVE and interposing yourself between me and someone you're defending for off the wall reasons. Because you both committed to the same scummy action? Yeah, it was scummy in the first place by the way. You saw an opportunity to tag along on a townie wagon at the last minute and went with it. The [REDACTED] doesn't stand for post.
And getting angry is still silly. We'll be friends again when you're cured.
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Yeah, in the end with zero support for my option we went with 'an option that can possibly flip scum'. We do kind of need that lynch thing, I heard it is how you narrow down the suspicious zombies. It's not fair, why do I always get ignored over the other playable characters? I work just as hard as that black-white at cases! It's hard to go with the flow when no one is going anywhere at all.
Nah, you weren't really pushing that case at all. Sure, you had the case there, but you just left it hanging when no one else came with you.
I think this exchange started with you screaming NECRO MUST LIVE and interposing yourself between me and someone you're defending for off the wall reasons. Because you both committed to the same scummy action? Yeah, it was scummy in the first place by the way. You saw an opportunity to tag along on a townie wagon at the last minute and went with it. The [REDACTED] doesn't stand for post.
Actions are only scummy if they're something scum would do. Humour me; so you're saying town me would have kept his vote on Bogmire, on a lynch that wasn't looking like it was getting off? And instead I would have let a town read get lynched without any counterwagon? Yes, I saw an opportunity to get a non-Ayumu wagon going, and I felt like it would possibly lead to a scum lynch, which is why I switched to it! Also you say that Pamela was a townie wagon: [citation needed]. And if [REDACTED] doesn't stand for post, then I have no idea what crackpot theory you're pushing.
My problem with your Necro vote is with the way you were pushing the "case" on him. As for me, it was not so much NECRO MUST LIVE; more like, wow, that's a crap reason for a Necro vote - I wonder why someone would do that?
And getting angry is still silly. We'll be friends again when you're cured.
I always get angry when people push bad cases on me. I'd imagine a lot of other people do too. ::)
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The more you ask the less inclined I am to answer you about it. Keep fishing though, you're doing great. >.>b
It's too early for more arguing, you'll probably still be alive when I wake up anyways. Youmu can have fun answering you.
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I smell death coming closer. Master...
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All of Munak's thought processes have been completely shut down and Munak doubts that she'll be able to get a post in before the deadline.
It also appears that Munak will not be able to get either lynch that Munak wants.
##Unvote
##Vote Kukaku Shiba
Munak does not particularly like this lynch but a lynch is better than another no lynch and deadline is very soon unless Munak's perception of time is horribly off.
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Kukaku: Neutral leaning scum
Count: Town
Bathory: Possibly scum
Youmu: Possibly scum
Ayumu: Leaning town
Sid: Leaning ever so slightly to scum
Pamela: Leaning town
Necro: ???
Everyone else is not important leaning town.
Remilia: The towniest town that ever lived!
Are you doing this on purpose? The fact that you have YET to disagree is seriously annoying me. The fact that you have yet to add ANYTHING into points you've agreed with is seriously making me disappointed. You post that you are townie, but your actions don't show it.
@Youmu: Right now your pushing the Lynch on Kukaku by force rather then reason. Scummy?
ONE thing I have to say at the moment is that I JUST have a problem with Necro Gardna
Your last set of points is a pretty valid question, though I don't understand your last sentence. My answer is that , I was willing to wait for more information, but more from Ayumu, and not from Pamela. Your point about Pamela being able to post more could have equally applied to Ayumu as well. Also, Pamela making a lame post like that after a day and a half of absence where she could think about things more simply did not show much promise, of course.
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Will be switching to Pamela for now, since I will not be here for the next 20 hours, mainly because her reasons for voting Ayumu on D1 (as to when it is right to copy and when it ain't) are simply not consistent, and is probably the worst hop on the Ayumu wagon yesterday. Other subjective things I have said already, but the above is the most damning point in my eyes. Also okay with an Ayumu lynch, given her lack of activity and usefulness. Sid and Count I would like to take a closer look into tomorrow, after a flip.
#Unvote
#Vote: Pamela
I dislike how you are willing to let Ayumu post more, but unwilling to let Pamela post more because of ONE post.
You JUST want her dead don't you?
I Dislike how you are basing your case mainly on the 1st real post by Pamela.
##Vote: Necro Gardna This probably will not mean much, but I prefer Necro Gardna over Kukaku
##FoS: Youmu
You getting really lazy Youmu, are your trying to coast by with forceful words rather then reason?
I feel as if your denying the questions completely, rather then even considering to answer them.
I dislike how you said yourself that we need a lynch, yet you start attacking Kukaku WITH a valuable vote.
Your actions says different from your words Youmu. Your also imposing your own Image ONTO Kukaku rather then break down a mask.
We're not lynching Pamela today. She's not scum and people voting her are either dumb or scum. You should make it clear for us! So, that leaves Necro or Shiba as a distant second. I'd really rather kill Bog, but I can go for the Necro lynch. The whole "LET'S LYNCH PAMELA WITH A FEW HOURS TO DEADLINE SO THAT TOWN NO LYNCHES" thing is bloody awful.
Wagon. NOW. I want him at L-1 in the next 8 hours or I'm going to be VERY unamused. And you do not want me unamused.
This post, What the hell is this, this is forcefully trying to pull people to your side rather then convince. You are also being overly aggressive for the wrong reasons. Your saying you want Necro and L-1 Specifically, why so?
You said you want Necro dead, But
You're doing it wrong. ☆〜（ゝ。∂）
Are you trying to magically swing the wagons again at the last minute? Even Hollows learn after getting stung the first time. 1 vs 1ing I am so cool with that you don't even know. I personally think you're much more likely to flip scum then Necro Gardna. You even used I'll get to it later again. I have to ask if you got dropped on your head though, if you seriously think people will buy your oopsie excuse if you somehow got me flipped today. More likely what you're doing is giving your vote an excuse not to be pushing a viable wagon, AGAIN. And from the sounds of it, you don't actually think Pamela is scum, so I don't get why you're arguing with us about it.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shiba Kukaku Kukananey
It would be nice to have votes on who I want right now, Bogmire is either going to flip himself or become someone who'll post more so I can finally convince people to lynch the hell out of him so hooray! I'll be around the entire time so we'll see if we can finish pushing you off the bridge. Sadly I'm not sure if it'll happen. There's definitely no one that wants to go after Sid or Remilia. (How many zombies can't remember who's playing unless you use the front page list?) There's too many suspects and not enough days to do the lynching. Ayumu's reaction was good enough that we're not interested in him.
Cut by a post that makes me want to punch it in the mouth that doesn't answer any of the questions I asked it earlier. Less bla bla more rereads and being productive.
Cut by a thing that makes even less sense then that other post. I'm just going to answer with 'lolno'.
You soon after decided that you believe Kukaku is a MUCH MUCH better target then Necro Gardna.
I find your main reason to believe that is because she attacked you.
I Seriously find your blanant denying of questions suspicious.
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For lame arguments about me 'directing' a vote away from someone while acknowledging that there are 3 missing hours in the first day and that I said that I would change my vote to Ayumu if needed, I have nothing more to say. It's just plain laziness in my eyes to not believe what I'm saying even though there's no reason to, especially in the case of Sid, who goes by the quantity 'ONE POST' instead of the quality. As for those trying to be 'original' in their analysis (e.g going into the Ayumu wagon), like Count, I have something lengthy to say, though this isn't the right time (maybe tomorrow). Pamela still draws my ire by only taking the scum possibilities (e.g he could say he's free of the Ayumu wagon by not voting her and go after me on D2 due to my lousy post on D1, a 2-for-1 deal!), and completely ignoring the reasons I went for her over Ayumu in the first place. Also how laughable it is for Sid to 'not see the point of a lynch everyday' here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695621.html#msg695621) and do the exact opposite today, 'choosing' between me and Shiba. Well, that too, will be for another day. Mean Ghost Girl will definitely have to justify her decision carefully, being so late on the major lynches of today.
At this point, it's not me over me with 9 (or 6) hours left, and thus, I'll be voting Shiba. I strongly oppose this lynch due to me believing that her actions fit her words and that her opinion on me is balanced and fair (e.g agreeing with Pamela, disagreeing with Youmu), though I have no choice but to admit that defending me without quoting anything I've said for no reason is scummy, and going after Youmu for having a bad case on me without telling us how it is scummy (e.g again, there are only so many reasons to vote people) is weird at the very least. Still so many other people I would rather lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shiba
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Go away I want to sleep ;-;
I'd think the reason Youmu wanted a lynch wagon at lynching heights at the end of the day would be obvious but okay. I don't know what part of Full Steam Ahead you shuffling zombies don't understand. If forcefulness is what it takes to get people motivated and talking, maybe even lynching then I will force each of you at swordpoint to make those votes happen. As for the voteswitch, try to remember Kukaku hadn't said anything at all today before then. Even I was wary of voting for him without giving him a chance to speak his peace. Then he ran in and declared war on me because we won't let anyone touch our town read. <_<
Also being called lazy by someone who's barely here is insulting.
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Unofficially I think Shiba is at L-1!
Necro at L-3!
I'm sticking with Necro, although I am *comfortable* with a Shiba lynch. I am waiting for a Mean Ghost Girl post + Reg Shoe post.
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Also Shiba, please claim.
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Also how laughable it is for Sid to 'not see the point of a lynch everyday' here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695621.html#msg695621) and do the exact opposite today, 'choosing' between me and Shiba.
Pretty much everyone has been going on and on about how no lynch was horrible and such, so whos not going to assume no lynch is a bad thing?
Everyone's reaction tells me how bad it is to not lynch.
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Yet somehow you people still did it anyway yesterday! So, yes, I used force to push the Necro lynch because FUCK if I was gonna lynch Pamela, and fuck if I was going to let you LAZY people sit around twiddling your thumbs til two hours before deadline. I also gave reasons for voting Necro, and even Shiba, though it should have been fairly obvious already.
Just for the lulz, what questions do you think I've failed to answer? I'd LOVE to see what you have, Sid, the one who can't be bothered to post for the majority of the day. Also, while you're actually here for fucking once, how about you actually post reads. I'd LOVE to see who you think is scum. I got Necro, but who else? You don't think there's only one scum, do you!?
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Friendly reminder that there are 5 and 1/2 hours left in the day.
Doing a quick reread of Bathory, Remilia, Sid, Shiba, Youmu.
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Votecount - Fresh edition - Now with ginger ale!
Kukaku Shiba (6): Reg Shoe, Elizabeth Bathory, Youmu Konpaku, Remilia Scarlet, Munak, Necro Gardna
Necro Gardna (4): Count von Count, Pamela Ibis, Ayumu Aikawa, Sid Barett
Pamela Ibis (1): Bogmire
Elizabeth Bathory (1): Mean Ghost Girl
Youmu Konpaku (1): Kukaku Shiba
Kukaku Shiba is at L-1!
You have ~5.5 hours remaining in the day.
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Shiba, please also do the sensible thing and place your vote on Necro.
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harumph at Pamela's haphazard [redacted] being taken as a [redacted] instead of a scummy action by so many people. I don't buy it, exactly. Might as well take Remilla's [redacted] as a [redacted].
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I feel like I missed the boat here. Because I can't understand a thing in posts with [REDACTED]
Unless it's a haiku.
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The fakevig only gives Ayumu a tentative pass. Consider that we've had people doing this fakevig thing a lot recently, it's not effective anymore. As long as Ayumu continues to not scumhunt or produce content, he's still scummy and deserving of being lynched before we can get to LyLo.
I don't see why Kukaku had to hold back on the gut-read of Arcueid. The end of day exchanges with her looked to me like you didn't have anything on her. It's mighty convenient that Arcueid is now dead and you don't have a target case from yesterday to carry over to today. I'm curious where your suspicions on Pamela went as you pretty much dropped it completely to 1v1 Youmu.
I think Youmu should explain the Town clearing of Pamela. I don't care if you're telling scum how to be pro-town, because MotKTown in general can stand to benefit from it.
Pamela is becoming less interesting for me today, but I want to hear Youmu's explanation first. Pamela's line of reasoing to Kukaku sounds reasonable enough.
Mean Ghost and Elizabeth have not posted today as far as I'm concerned. I think they'll both be worth pursuing as lurkscum tomorrow. Sid has posted good content whenever he does post, so I think the people calling lurker on him should save their breath for the other two that don't do it right like Sid has.
Sid has said what needs to be said on Remilia. Post with some backbone or just go die as the terrible character you are.
A last look at the votes on Kukaku:
Elizabeth - Remind us of your case on Kukaku. As I said, you haven't posted all day.
Youmu - I'm reading it as OMGUS for the sake of simplicity.
Remilia - Votepark.
Munak - Adding to finalize the lynch. I don't blame her really.
Necro - Not me over me, at least a more legitimate votepark than Remilia.
In view of this, a Necro lynch is looking better. I'll be willing to switch for hammering if the votes come in.
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Wait, I'm not dead? Durr. I'll be catching up really soon, but right I don't support lynching Kukaku.
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Did a reread, although it didn't influence me critically. I feel slightly better about shiba (but certainly not enough to have a town lean), and worse about Bathory/Remilia, and better about Sid. I think Pamela/Youmu are town.
I really dislike reading Munak but I have a town lean on him regardless.
Let's see. Bathory is there anything that makes Shiba more likely scum than Necro, you do you think both are scum and this question doesn't matter? I simply don't see enough in your posts that make me believe what you say. For example I could make up some cockamamie theory calling Shoe/Bogmire/Bathory the scum team based on simplifications of interactions like: "Bog votes but then quickly unvotes Shoe!" "Bathory says Bog's an easy target and attacks his attackers!" "Bathory and Shoe double attack Shiba!" "Obviously all three are scum!" You see how this is not productive?
Remilia I find your posts incredibly flaky, liable to radical shifts of opinion that does not occur often for those of us who are town. Call it gut, but I think you look worse for this.
Mean Ghost Girl. YOU NEED A VOTE NAOW!
Ayumu I'm dissipointed you haven't posted yet.
Oh lol by that cut
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@Reg: I refuse.
:dealwithit:
Also, we have around 1 and a half hours left by my count. Anyone gonna hammer, or are we going to no lynch again like tools?
IT SURE WOULD BE NICE IF MEAN GHOST GIRL AND BOGMIRE WEREN'T WASTING THEIR DAMN VOTE! OH ISN'T THAT A SURPRISE THAT BOGMIRE IS LURKING OUT BECAUSE HE NO LONGER HAS PRESSURE ON HIM. IT ALSO WOULD BE NICE IF SHIBA WEREN'T BUT IT'S CLEARLY HER PLAYSTYLE
I swear to god, we are fucking KILLING BOGMIRE WITH FIRE TOMORROW! You all BETTER not forget him if/when we die tonight >=[! I'm going to also do a very in depth read overnight of Mean Ghost Girl who is making me FROWN! SAME CAVEAT AS BEFORE!
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I'M HERE I'M HERE
Okay, rereading! I understand deadline is only a little more then an hour away, so if my post isn't finished and there's less then half an hour left, I'll rush it just to get the vote out. I'll vote Kukaku if that's what has to happen for a lynch in any case, but if there's enough people present who voice a desire to do so, lynching Necro is still a definite possibility.
They're two of the three I still have to do a complete reread on, of course. Sigh. Well, I'll try not to take long with this.
Oh hey, Youmu cut. Remember how the mod said Bog is replacing out, and will be modkilled if a replacement isn't found? Yeah. That's still a thing that's going on. Less fires of rage, please. The ill feelings toward me are rather deserved though, of course; I feel terrible about my activity today.
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If it must be done, I'll hammer... Considering Shiba hasn't claimed or switched votes. But I will hammer about 10 mins or so before deadline.
I really don't want to have to haunt Mean Ghost Girl if she refuses to post again.
Also, Bogmire requested a replacement. I don't think he's allowed to post anymore. so yeah..
Oh ok she posted
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Wait, that was Bog? ...so it was. Uh, yeah, I kind of forgot.
CONSIDER MY BURNING FURY AT HIM RATHER USELESS!
Awaiting whatever you put out, Ghost Girl, and it better be good.
@Count: Yeah. I feel kind of dumb now...I'm just gonna go work. I'll try to be around at 10 minutes to deadline myself to make sure nothing silly happens.
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I like almost all of Necro's logic. Why is he nearly being lynched again? Seriously. I like this guy.
I suppose I'm also available for hammering Kukaku if the count can't do it as he just claimed, then. Admittedly, I didn't actually reread him... >_>; But it's not as if there's any alternative other then Necro, whom I think is totally town, in the first place anymore. The fact that he's voiced desire to simply not play anymore and then tried to force a 1v1 on himself against Youmu doesn't help his case anyway.
I'll go ahead and reread Sid while I'm at it. It's a better use of effort then rereading someone who's almost definitely about to die regardless of the reread's results. Although after he flips, of course, rereading Kukaku can provide delicious information... it's about time we got some of that.
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Votecount remains unchanged. You have approximately one hour ten minutes.
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Alright that means it's pretty much a done deal. Spare as much time as you can though for Shiba to post.
Shiba: Last words + claim please.
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Just to be clear Reg: Do you still support a Shiba lynch over a Necro one?
Also, Necro's "logic" delves into Meta to supply him his "subjective" reads. The Objective part of his logic doesn't make sense, but it seems will have to be repeated another day.
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I just realized that Sid Barret voted himself at the start of the game and no one said anything. I mean, that's not a bad thing, as for some reason jokevoting yourself tends to be blown way out of proportion as some big scummy thing, but I just think it's funny no one even mentioned it.
Anyway...
Sid spends an awfully large amount of effort attacking Remilia. She's an easy target, being new, and the thing is that many of us here have already expressed that we find Remilia's posts to be pretty town looking... terrible, of course, but town-looking. Battering her about this to improve her isn't really a bad thing, but Sid kept on her over voting anyone else for a frown-inducingly large amount of time.
He does start improving eventually though, I suppose... he expands a little and talks about Necro some (And he's had some stuff about Pamela both before and after this). And recently, he's brought up some points against Youmu that I find... pretty legitimate.
Hmm. I don't really like Sid. But he's got some good stuff about him along with the bad stuff. I wouldn't be unhappy if he got lynched, although I definitely have higher priorities at the moment (Elizabeth, Pamela). Actually, just went and reread Pamela now. I guess she isn't still being terrible; when I think about it, my main problem with her is mostly just her D1 post. I still don't like her, but she's sunken on my priority list as well. And of course, the other one I wanted dead, Bog, is... yeah. I guess I'm left on Bathory now! Followed by Sid and Pamela... to a lesser extent.
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Just to be clear Reg: Do you still support a Shiba lynch over a Necro one?
I support it out of the fact that I started the day strongly on it. The review of votes give me a bit of doubt, but I'm trusting my initial instincts on this.
Hmm. I don't really like Sid. But he's got some good stuff about him along with the bad stuff. I wouldn't be unhappy if he got lynched, although I definitely have higher priorities at the moment (Elizabeth, Pamela).
This sounds horribly waffley-scum.
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Elizabeth hasn't done anything since her first posts in Day 1. So she's sitting on nothing, and that's a pretty suspicious place to be.
Remilia really looks like a confused newbie who has no idea what to do and just following popular opinion. I say town.
I've always disliked Youmu, and her spout with Kukaku doesn't make me like her any more.
Also, I'm replacing out (hopefully) after this day due to RL situation, but I told the mod at sign ups so he should have a replacement.
Also, Thanks for that last bit about your gender. It was getting annoying reading "her/herself" in the thread.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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We have about 45 mins left, but it always pays to look at the person you *will* eventually vote for... namely Shiba. What if she happens to be so so town that even Necro looks worse? In the end you have to make a comparision, and I suggest you at least skim Shiba to get a gut vibe.
Ah ok. At least we have something from you Ayumu... although I find what you just said barely justified with :reasons: Perhaps your replacement will say more.
Reg Shoe: noted, about what I expected.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I meant other people refering to you as "her/herself" was annoying to read... Unless you secretly liked it? :V
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We have about 45 mins left, but it always pays to look at the person you *will* eventually vote for... namely Shiba. What if she happens to be so so town that even Necro looks worse? In the end you have to make a comparision, and I suggest you at least skim Shiba to get a gut vibe.
As I said, his recent shenanigans didn't help, in addition to him expressing desire to not want to play anymore, suggesting that if we DIDN'T lynch him, he might not be terribly happy and/or helpful tomorrow. Necro, on the other hand, I can expect to keep being totally helpful, in addition to thinking he looks quite town.
Besides, gonna need to reread stuff related to him as soon as he's dead. I don't feel like doing it twice within such a short period of time. Bleh.
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I am going to enjoy a lunch of sorts so I'll be around. Is anything expected of me right here besides yelling at people to vote before deadline (which is in 24 minutes by my count)
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20 minutes remain in the day! No changes in votes, though.
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am going to enjoy a lunch of sorts so I'll be around. Is anything expected of me right here besides yelling at people to vote before deadline (which is in 24 minutes by my count)
Nope, unless you wanna say w/e you feel like saying for whatever reason.
As I said, his recent shenanigans didn't help, in addition to him expressing desire to not want to play anymore, suggesting that if we DIDN'T lynch him, he might not be terribly happy and/or helpful tomorrow. Necro, on the other hand, I can expect to keep being totally helpful, in addition to thinking he looks quite town.
Besides, gonna need to reread stuff related to him as soon as he's dead. I don't feel like doing it twice within such a short period of time. Bleh.
Ok, I agree with you on that particular point. I'd wait another 10 min for Shiba to say something, but really you are free to hammer.
Jesus, I can't seem to stop myself from demasking.
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I don't have anything new to say, really. Shoe is hilarious for the complete 180. Mean Ghost Girl is :V
VT, obv.
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I'll even self-hammer at deadline if you guys don't get your act together, but I'm sure y'all aren't that mean...are you? :ohdear:
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As hilarious as it would be to see scum self hammer, I'd appreciate one of Count or Mean Ghost Girl hammering...uh...now.
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Didn't Bathory promise walls? Someone poke her for those tomorrow, because she'll have a grand total of 0 content.
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Youmu, if you're town, I suggest you tone down your voice in the future.
If you're scum, just die already.
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well ok I can hammer if Ghost girl doesnt in the next 2 min
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And yes, Bathory will be questioned tomorrow in all likelihood
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1 min until I hammer
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Maybe I'd tone my voice down if people would get their act together. I'm STILL pretty pissed about how D1 ended, three hours missing notwithstanding. I'm actually kind of irritated we more or less had to slap a lynch together in less than 24 hours! About the only comfort I have in this is that scum is about to flip.
Seriously, people, ORGANIZE! Also, I want EVERYONE to post their scum reads at daybreak tomorrow. None of this shuffling around being dumb bullshit. Clear, concise, scum reads!
And Count is about to hammer. Hope this isn't the last post I get to make...
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30 sec!
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About the only comfort I have in this is that scum is about to flip.
Because scum totally wouldn't have egg on face.
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OK!
##Unvote
##Vote: Kukaku Shiba
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I guess you could say,
-shades-
It's the final Countdown.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Hammer.
Shut up.
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Kūkaku Shiba, the Town Chicago Voter, has been lynched!
Role: Chicago Voter
Abilities: - After your death, your vote will remain in play until town enters MYLO or LYLO for the first time. Although your vote will remain in play, you will not be capable of posting anything other than ##Votes and ##Unvotes.
- When voting while dead, you may not make multiple votes or unvotes in one post. You must also wait for at least three seperate players to post before you can make another post of your own.
- Your ability will fail to trigger if town has already entered a MYLO or LYLO situation when you die.
You have 24 hours to send your night actions to both Edible and myself.
Please do not post during the night phase unless your role allows you to do otherwise.
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Both Bogmire and Ayumu Aikawa are in need of replacements. They will be modkilled at the end of Day 3 if no replacements are found.
Yes, I decided to extend the time for replacements to be found, mainly due to there being two instead of only one.
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Ayumu Aikawa and Bogmire have been replaced.
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Count von Count, the Town Ghostwriter, was killed overnight!
Role: Ghostwriter
Abilities: - After your death, you may post one message per phase, so long as it is in Haiku format (five syllables, seven syllables, five syllables).
- Any haikus you post may not contain proper nouns or acronyms.
- Post-mortem haikus may be posted during night phases as well as day phases.
Necro Gardna, the Town Doctor, was killed overnight!
Role: Doctor
Abilities: - During the night phase, you may ##Protect another player. Any attempts on that player's life will fail that night.
- You may only protect yourself once in the game.
You have 72 hours left in the day. With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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Welp, That trashed my opening post.
I'm going to go reread the game, again.
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##Vote: Youmu Konpaku
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...seriously. Seriously? You have GOT to be kidding me. There's pretty much no way Necro's death wasn't a vig, with how many people wanted him dead, and of course, he's a doctor.
SIGH.
##Vote:Elizabeth Bathory
Not only does my previous case still hold against her just as well as it did before, but now two of her three people she had nailed as the scum team have flipped town. Who's the scum now, Bathory?
Actually, I recall Kukaku and Necro being a lot of people's suspects. I expect everyone to have at LEAST two targets for who is scum when they post.
Ayumu is still likely town, but we'll see how her new player does. Ditto for Bogmire, except that he's more likely scum. Remi is still derptown. Sid I'm still a bit undecided about. And Bathory is still totally scum. I guess Munak is town, but my brain just doesn't work on her posting style.
I'll be rereading Reg Shoe and Youmu. Honestly, I've practically forgotten Reg Shoe existed. That's not generally a good thing. I started noticing suspicious things about Youmu around the end of D2, and I'd like to examine her closer now. And finally, about Pamela... her first real post on D1 is the only real problem I have with her. so I think I'll just wait on my opinion of her until I see if she keeps being better then that, as she did on D2.
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ooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo!
I am the ghost of Bogs and Mires, Bog Mire the Second!
About Ayumu;
Admittedly, I have a lot of trouble seeing why everyone thinks he's town.
...What? Well, let's hurry this up then.
Necro is probably scum. Bogmire is invisible, he should not reach Lylo. Pamela is probably town. Oh, and Remilia is town. Good day.
Also, Ayumu is a guy. There's your answer folks.
Now, how is this a town response to a vig? If I had been told I had 12 hours to live as town, I would probably write something long and winding about why I thought each of the players was scum/town that contained quotes/links to what I found scummy, so that town would know whether to kill them or not. I'd probably also get into my night actions/tell town what I would flip. On the other hand, I would expect scum to simply post a short blurb and get it over with, since after their flip anything they say would be rendered useless. This is mostly a request for clarification on town's stance, since admittedly I have trouble parsing the difference between derp town and scum, and have had trouble seeing what town sees in Ayumu. Needless to say, I am fairly suspicious of the player, and I'd like to hear from Ayumu the second.
Second, I have a number of concerns about how hard Youmu has been rallying against townies. She wanted Kukaku and Necro dead and she was interested in seeing my lynch today. She was, what I would call the "town leader" in all of this, the engine that powered the Kukaku lynch. Since I know that all three players are town, I would like for her to tell us her new suspects.
##Vote: Youmu
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Elizabeth, Youmu, Remilia and Munak still left out of the people on Kukaku's lynch. Munak's been town to everyone's reads. Which leaves us with a definite scum out of Elizabeth, Youmu and Remilia.
Elizabeth clearly refused to update the case on Kukaku. If she had time to make a stupid post just before deadline, then she had time even before that to show us content. She promised content, but that never came through. In all, she hasn't made a single post this game.
##Vote Elizabeth
Going right back to the beginning of Elizabeth's posts, she's called Ayumu town and Pamela town. I want this explained in full. As a linked matter to this, Youmu should also come clean about why Pamela is town. You can say it would be stupid to theorise that these three are scum, but I think this is too much of a coincidence.
I recall Remilia posting more often on Day 1 and then hardcore lurking in Day 2. I'm not going to rule out lurkscum because of the voteparking.
I've reread Youmu a bit, but again the vote on Kukaku says OMGUS to me. Youmu's response to my question from yesterday as to why Bogmire over Kukaku/Necro suffices for the flow into voting Kukaku. But that's not worth anything anymore since both have flipped town. I want Youmu to restate her vote on Kukaku with plain language that doesn't involve capitals.
New Ayumu and Bogmire better show us a wall of text apiece to make up for their predecessors.
Cut: Bogmire can you attempt to explain your predecessor's vote on Pamela? Could you see the logic behind it?
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I can see the logic behind a vote on Pamela. My predecessor seemed to have based his vote on Pamela's day 1, in which she lurked out the first part only to end her lurking with a deliberately aggravating unvote. And I don't think anyone liked the quality of Pamela's only content post for day 1, considering it was a quick list of reads that appeared to be designed so that she could lurk out the rest of the day in peace. Since Bog Meister Number One was basing his entire Pamela case on day 1, I can see the logic - attack the player that's intentionally lurking.
However, I have not been in contact with Bogmire 1, so I can't say I know his motives for sure.
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Master! Now we can be friends for... life..?
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This is why Munak wanted Munak's lynches.
Hope this isn't the last post I get to make...
Munak finds this sentence really strange.
Munak is making another post.
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I now have REALLY bad vibes from Youmu.
All right, you all are milling about with dumb looks on your face on the heels of a friggen no lynch yesterday. What the fuck is wrong with you all? We have TWENTY HOURS left in the day.
##Unvote, Vote Necro (L-3)
We're not lynching Pamela today. She's not scum and people voting her are either dumb or scum. You should make it clear for us! So, that leaves Necro or Shiba as a distant second. I'd really rather kill Bog, but I can go for the Necro lynch. The whole "LET'S LYNCH PAMELA WITH A FEW HOURS TO DEADLINE SO THAT TOWN NO LYNCHES" thing is bloody awful.
Wagon. NOW. I want him at L-1 in the next 8 hours or I'm going to be VERY unamused. And you do not want me unamused.
No explanation, just "Its awful, lynch".
Pure blunt voice over reason.
Pure plain threatening. Using force rather then reason.
She is pressuring people into her specific choice.
Complete miss of mod declaration of Bogmire being replaced, which means she does not check anything out of killing someone.
She needed to be told before she even knew which means she does not care about anything other then lynching specific targets.
Oh and I find that you are pressing the issue of lynching itself rather then scum lynch.
Actually you're acting exceptionally stupid if you think scum are the only ones who have a reason to hold back the reasoning for town reads, as well as attempting to discredit me because you have no other defense. I have strong reasons to believe Pamela is town. I see no reason to share them with the class unless she's seriously in danger of being lynched. Which she isn't, because I won't allow it.
Your switch to Pamela yesterday was timed conveniently enough to more or less short circuit the lynch, extra three hours or no. THAT'S what I'm saying.
You know what I say about your scumplaining about "logic"? I've given you logic. You refuse to accept it because it'd be tantamount to admitting your scum. So, honestly, I really don't care if you "can't defend it". The reason you can't defend is because you know I'm right, and your only weapon left is to discredit me. Cry more, we'll lynch you tomorrow.
Complete refuse to even argue and cause an exchange of information
Completely false in the point of "short circuit the lynch".
Imprinting her own image on Kukaku into other's heads.
You're doing it wrong. ☆〜（ゝ。∂）
Are you trying to magically swing the wagons again at the last minute? Even Hollows learn after getting stung the first time. 1 vs 1ing I am so cool with that you don't even know. I personally think you're much more likely to flip scum then Necro Gardna. You even used I'll get to it later again. I have to ask if you got dropped on your head though, if you seriously think people will buy your oopsie excuse if you somehow got me flipped today. More likely what you're doing is giving your vote an excuse not to be pushing a viable wagon, AGAIN. And from the sounds of it, you don't actually think Pamela is scum, so I don't get why you're arguing with us about it.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shiba Kukaku Kukananey
It would be nice to have votes on who I want right now, Bogmire is either going to flip himself or become someone who'll post more so I can finally convince people to lynch the hell out of him so hooray! I'll be around the entire time so we'll see if we can finish pushing you off the bridge. Sadly I'm not sure if it'll happen. There's definitely no one that wants to go after Sid or Remilia. (How many zombies can't remember who's playing unless you use the front page list?) There's too many suspects and not enough days to do the lynching. Ayumu's reaction was good enough that we're not interested in him.
Blanant complete disregard for Ayumu.
Both of your reads flipped town,
Pointing out people you want to kill in a row,
Also, does this mean you believe both me and Remilia to be scum?
I do not find that I'm doing a horrible job of being here, I have yet to even receive a prod.
You make me out like a massive Lurker that NO ONE remembers in the slightest.
Contradictions in which you want Necro to be at L-1 to "LOLOL ALRIGHT LETS 1 v 1!" with Kukaku, the fact that you blanantly accepted 1 v 1s is strange.
Well you ARE a criminal mastermind aren't you? Bomb Building Smuggler! (*?∀?)=3
Lady Yuyuko encourages me to be more dainty. If it makes you feel better, we would have bought her as not town yesterday too, so your vote train could have gone a little higher. (Ｔ▽Ｔ)
Plain printing an image of scum and apparent pointing out in roles.
Munak, Pamela is town because [REDACTED]. She's [REDACTED] her [REDACTED] and we're [REDACTED] [REDACTED]. It doesn't technically clear her but it's really, really unlikely to us. Bathory is a thing, but I don't see her lynch anywhere near happening and not over this nonsense. I'd prefer you to be on a lynch that can happen that isn't Pamela. What do you think of Shiba if you're not convinced of Gardna?
Shiba, no matter your alignment I'd prefer for you to want to play, one way or the other. Even if you're an evil zombie I'll treat you well in Hakugyokurou!
Completely hiding information. Are you assuming we are psychic?
>.> Okay so Youmu is alot grumpier then I am. I'm sure she still likes you as an unliving person.
I didn't realize the votecount itself was messed up when I said that. And if you were really re-reading me you might realize I said I preferred going after the zombies who were quietly sitting out the lynch to either you or Necro. That doesn't seem to have worked out. I'm getting tired of you acting like we've been trying to lynch you all Day, it's overdefensive and it's a misrepresentation. It might shock you that all your reactions ~after~ and ~right now~ are helping me get comfortable voting you out of the graveyard bringing you enlightenment through the sword!
Well I don't feel too good about her after her last post. :p She is suspicious, like many of the lurkers.
There are like fourteen hours between those posts. -.- Our opinion changed because of Pamela's [REDACTED] that we decided was townie.
Redacted? Care to explain? or LOLNO again?
Yet somehow you people still did it anyway yesterday! So, yes, I used force to push the Necro lynch because FUCK if I was gonna lynch Pamela, and fuck if I was going to let you LAZY people sit around twiddling your thumbs til two hours before deadline. I also gave reasons for voting Necro, and even Shiba, though it should have been fairly obvious already.
Just for the lulz, what questions do you think I've failed to answer? I'd LOVE to see what you have, Sid, the one who can't be bothered to post for the majority of the day. Also, while you're actually here for fucking once, how about you actually post reads. I'd LOVE to see who you think is scum. I got Necro, but who else? You don't think there's only one scum, do you!?
The information about Pamela being town.
I don't see the problem with posting the majority of the day if I believe I can answer everything in ONE post, the fact that you are making me sound lurkerish is misleading.
##Vote Youmu
I'm keeping Remilia on my list of suspects, since nearly all of you are "hes noob, its just mistakes."
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About Youmu; can I just say "What Sid said." and move on? Really, I couldn't possibly put it any better myself. Or at least, it'd take a damn long time and not be all that much better. Maybe I'd be a bit less quote-stripey, but I certainly shan't complain on that matter.
Still voting Elizabeth here for now though, because she's scum too and totally needs to get lynched as well.
Reread Reg Shoe. Other then some minor inactivity problems, I think he looks fine. That leaves Youmu and Elizabeth on my Needs To Die list, and the two replaced-ins and Pamela being at a neutral-ish stage for me. I like Sid more after that Youmu case, although if we get a Youmu town flip in the future, I suppose I'll need to look at him again.
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You know, master, being dead is not so bad.
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There's pretty much no way Necro's death wasn't a vig
Munak notes how weird this sounds.
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Munak notes how weird this sounds.
Count was so town and no one suspected him as scum (Unless my memory fails me). Necro was suspected, highly wanted dead by many, and very nearly was the lynch. Which one makes complete sense as a scum nightkill and no sense as a vig, and which one makes complete sense as a vig and no sense as a scum nightkill?
I could go more indepth and cover situations where they might be an SK but there's not really much point and it still leads to about the same conclusion. Necro -could- sorta make sense if scum knew he was a doc, but given how much suspicion there was... plus that means Count would need to be an SK kill and that n1 one of the kills was doc'd and dear god there's no reason to go into these theories so I'm just gonna stop now >_>;
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Youmu Konpaku (3) - Kukaku Shiba, Bogmire, Sid Barett
Elizabeth Bathory (2) - Mean Ghost Girl, Reg Shoe
Not voting: Everyone else
You have 68 hours left in the day. With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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I don't like Bogmire or Sid's vote for Youmu.
It seems to me they're just riding the waves that Kookie made yesterday.
I need the both of you to explain your reads on EVERYONE besides Youmu and Ayumu/Remilia respectively. Sid Especially, since he's not the only who joined in overnight.
I'd be extending this invitation to Good Girl and Reg except they already attempted to explain most of their reads.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Pamela Ibis
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:ohdear: I'm just going to get used to being voted by Kukaku forever now. (Cut by or not, but that vote isn't any better.)
I just.. just because your power makes you about to vote after death doesn't mean you should try to suicide like that. Even if it turns out you really were protecting the benevolent undead.. which it looks like you were. Baiting town works way better then baiting scum. If it makes you feel better we're taking your request to calm down a little and look at other options seriously..
Sid, you ARE a massive lurker and I can barely remember who you are, ever. So yeah, that's pretty true! They both flipped town, so I'm not sure how useful it'll be to explain this, but. Youmu thought Necro was using scummy logic through the day and changed our vote to him over Kukaku while I was asleep. (Hi, I'm Myon by the way. ^_^) I got back around the time Kukaku called us out, since I thought he was scum and we had a pretty good reason for what we were doing I wasn't going to back down from his bluff. Bomb building smuggler isn't pointing out a role, it's a description of Kukaku. >.> Though the possibility she was an angry bomb was there.
About Pamela, I think we're going to wait for her to say something before we decide if we want to share the [REDACTED]. I'm hoping someone else picked up on it by now.
On Bathory:
I guess you could say,
-shades-
It's the final Countdown.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>.> No, it doesn't look like it's the final Count's post, why, did you think it would be? This is a serious question. Your promised wall, if it ever appears is a day too late, especially considering 2/3rds of your list are dead, and any malevolent undead watching the fireworks would have realized how wonderful we would look the next day for it.
On The Other Meanie:
##Vote: Mean Ghost Girl
About Youmu; can I just say "What Sid said." and move on? Really, I couldn't possibly put it any better myself. Or at least, it'd take a damn long time and not be all that much better. Maybe I'd be a bit less quote-stripey, but I certainly shan't complain on that matter.
No, no you can't. You never bothered to comment on yesterday's lynches, why did you think you could get away without making an opinion on me today? What 'suspicious things' did you start noticing that you only bring up after Kukaku's dashing sacrifice? Why do you like Sid more after a case on someone you aren't voting for? It worries me how much your content has dropped off the deep end since Day 1. I suggest you pick up the slack again. I would threaten to send you back from whence you came but neither of us can figure out where you're from.
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It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood~
Would you be mine,
could you be mine,
Won't you be my neighbor Bathory?
You're content yesterday was sub-par to say the least. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2725) You're case on Kokaku was somewhat outdated and based entirely on a single post she made day 1, as far as I can tell, and you didn't even bring her up except to vote for her and to tell us she's on a scum team with Necro and Youmu. While I can understand that due to Kokaku's V/LA, your play yesterday was lacking content in general; you didn't do much with Necro, and in spite of listing Youmu as a scum pick, you didn't name a single thing scummy that she did. I would greatly appreciate updated reads and a nice wall of text explaining your current reads, since 2/3rds of your scum picks have flipped town. Overall very suspicious play.
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Hi everyone! I'm the current incarnation of Ayumu.
I don't like Bogmire or Sid's vote for Youmu.
It seems to me they're just riding the waves that Kookie made yesterday.
I need the both of you to explain your reads on EVERYONE besides Youmu and Ayumu/Remilia respectively. Sid Especially, since he's not the only who joined in overnight.
I'd be extending this invitation to Good Girl and Reg except they already attempted to explain most of their reads.
First this because it's so awful you don't even know.
We have, asking for reads on EVERYONE.
Cases are for scum. We don't need encouragement to go and read everyone since that will just make
1. Noise that will distract us from scum
2. Parinoia since you are telling people to look at everone incuding their town reads and find scum
3. Personally, a bunch of short blurbs about everyone when the answer may be "null" "maybe town because of 1 incident" serves no purpose unless I am missing something here, how will it help catch scum?
So along with that, your chainsaw defense of Youmu is noted, especially since you have been doing it (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693322.html#msg693322) all game (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696076.html#msg696076). So instead of asking people that have made in my opinion, some bang up cases on Youmu to explain every other read they have on people, why don't you come out and explain your town read on her since you seem to still find one, the subtle defense earlier is what makes the whole situation seem more stange since I quite like Sid's case and think it rings rather true.
Your little hint at the end of this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg694365.html#msg694365) seems to say that you have no intentions of hunting scum and were just doing what would "improve towns stances" and not truly try to find scum and kill them.
##Vote: Pamela Ibis
I also support a Youmu lynch since her brash attacks have been the driving force behind most of the mislynches. See Kukaku, Me as well as her setting people up to drive into the floor later. Take this for example:
So, this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695096.html#msg695096) is (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695097.html#msg695097) really interesting. Is there a *reason* you're indirectly protecting your scumbuddy or is it just for the lulz? And, uh, I really don't care that you ALMOST got "an invitation to shift your vote". Your posts really imply you want him dead now and then...nothing? Just a bit curious, yanno. Possibly curiouser.
She outrights calls Elizabeth and I scum. Yet she was a driving force behind Bogmire at the time. So seeing how she is scum, what better way to further her agenda than to mislynch Bogmire, then turn around and continue bashing Elizabeth and I then next day.
It does not add up, especially when she outright names us both scum but places more confidence into a lurky lurk scum case that could be new/lurk town.
I know that I am town. So this will still hold regardless of what I think of Elizabeth, who I find null at the momemt.
Yay~ Moar reads incoming.
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We were exaggerating our opinion of Bathory in order to get a reaction out of her. It didn't really have much to do with you. We're still waiting for an answer on why we're on her mythical scum team. As for the brash attacks, this place is as quiet as the dead, it could use some driving force. We're not interested in driving that way right now. There are better places to park. Pamela still isn't one of them.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Mean Ghost Girl
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So master, how is your new life?
...New death?
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##Vote Pamela Ibis
...Munak promised a post earlier, didn't she?
Munak is quickly losing motivation as Munak is surrounded by scum.
But still, Munak must press on. For the greater good.
Miss Youmu, can you please detail miss Youmu's case on Kukaku Shiba to Munak?
Munak notes miss Pamela's abrupt change in behavior once people had begun to give miss Pamela a pass.
(Munak still does not understand why people are giving miss Pamela this pass)
Lady Bathory's inability to post her reads before the day ended has been noted.
Lady Bathory's refusal to answer Munak's question about the 3-person scumteam has been noted.
Lady Bathory defending miss Pamela is still a thing that Munak believes is relevant.
Miss Pamela cheerleading the Kukaku Shiba wagon has been noted.
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Taking some time out of my
procrastination very busy scheduled to address this post.
School life is so much more boring with Vayne here...
We have, asking for reads on EVERYONE.
Cases are for scum. We don't need encouragement to go and read everyone since that will just make
1. Noise that will distract us from town
2. Intelligent choices since you are telling people to be more open minded about their town reads and find scum
3. Personally, forcing scum to waffle over their scumbuddies in a half hearted attempt at distancing
Your reasoning was ugly, so I made it look nicer~. Is that okay?
Youmu is town because she is a beautiful butterfly who has given me the chance and the encouragement I needed to play this game with a level of competency. Also because I was able to see how her picks for scum changed over the course of the day, and that even her opening vote for Ghost Girl today makes sense to me, though I hesitate to agree with it.
Your little hint at the end of this post seems to say that you have no intentions of hunting scum and were just doing what would "improve towns stances" and not truly try to find scum and kill them.
Newsflash: My day one sucked. Everyone and the scumbuddy has used it as part of the reasoning for my case, and there's nothing I could do to justify that I was just trying to get by. That said, if you can go through my entire day 2 and point out where I was just trying to get by then, you might actually have a relevant point here.
There's three scum, and only two town myslynches needed, so seeing so many people go after myself (town) and Youmu (Strongly believe is town) and stopping there, of course I'd naturally be worried. Are you telling me you think Sid is town because he made one case on one person? I can't even tell if he still thinks Remilia is worth lynching. He's only looked at two people in this whole game, how can you even be so shallow as to think that that makes him a good and active scumhunter just because he made one case that you agree with?
Cut: What pass?
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Edit: without Vayne
Everyone and their
and nevermind, I realized Munak was talking about yesterday.
...You're all just chasing ghosts~.
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Wow this is the furthest I've ever been so far :o
So far my scumpicks are Bathory and Youmu.
Bathory has been giving no content even after she promised us some. Instead providing a useless post filled with a meme. She hasn't really made a big case on anyone yet.
Youmu, as you guys have said, has just been using force to drive us to lynch her scumpicks which flipped town. She's looking mighty suspicious at the moment. Also if you think Pamela is town then convince us. Otherwise, you're pretty much useless and are creating a whole lot of noise. Sid also had some good points on you.
Speaking of Sid, Wow! This is the first time you have made a post that only mentions me once! I'd really like to see more of those (except with other people too).
Can't wait to see what new Ayumu and Bogmire are like. Looking decent so far.
Also I can kinda see what Munak is talking about when she mentions the pass that Pamela has been given by most of us. I can also see what she is talking about when he says the abrupt change of behaviour.
Also Kukaku, vote someone scummy.
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I've found nothing disagreeable from Munak all game and this hasn't changed.
Count was so town and no one suspected him as scum (Unless my memory fails me). Necro was suspected, highly wanted dead by many, and very nearly was the lynch. Which one makes complete sense as a scum nightkill and no sense as a vig, and which one makes complete sense as a vig and no sense as a scum nightkill?
I could go more indepth and cover situations where they might be an SK but there's not really much point and it still leads to about the same conclusion. Necro -could- sorta make sense if scum knew he was a doc, but given how much suspicion there was... plus that means Count would need to be an SK kill and that n1 one of the kills was doc'd and dear god there's no reason to go into these theories so I'm just gonna stop now >_>;
Great that you realise to stop. But why even post fluff in the first place? This kind of stuff is why I can always remember Sid being way more active than you even if he makes less posts.
I don't like Bogmire or Sid's vote for Youmu.
It seems to me they're just riding the waves that Kookie made yesterday.
Expand on this for us? If you're going all in on Youmu being town, then I want to hear your side of it after Elizabeth and Youmu have answered me.
Sid, you ARE a massive lurker and I can barely remember who you are, ever.
Nobody has felt Sid was worth pressuring by way of votes or questions barrages the entire time. Even if he's not posting in frequency, he's making good of it in content. Which is also something the people calling him a lurker are ignoring. Comments like these are fluffy snipes that don't make Youmu look any better.
About Pamela, I think we're going to wait for her to say something before we decide if we want to share the [REDACTED]. I'm hoping someone else picked up on it by now.
Nope you tell first. Elizabeth made a blanket statement that Pamela was town on Day 1, but you made the first adamant claim of the same and out of nowhere. The only thing that people have picked up is that whatever clear you're using, it's highly suspicious.
I guess you could say,
-shades-
It's the final Countdown.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
On Bathory:>.> No, it doesn't look like it's the final Count's post, why, did you think it would be? This is a serious question. Your promised wall, if it ever appears is a day too late, especially considering 2/3rds of your list are dead, and any malevolent undead watching the fireworks would have realized how wonderful we would look the next day for it.
For a stretch I want to say it's Elizabeth telegraphing a kill. This entire Youmu post is terrible. Stop wasting our time and post real reads on people.
You're content yesterday was sub-par to say the least. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2725) You're case on Kokaku was somewhat outdated and based entirely on a single post she made day 1, as far as I can tell, and you didn't even bring her up except to vote for her and to tell us she's on a scum team with Necro and Youmu. While I can understand that due to Kokaku's V/LA, your play yesterday was lacking content in general; you didn't do much with Necro, and in spite of listing Youmu as a scum pick, you didn't name a single thing scummy that she did. I would greatly appreciate updated reads and a nice wall of text explaining your current reads, since 2/3rds of your scum picks have flipped town. Overall very suspicious play.
Zero marks for plagiarism. It's almost verbatim of the words Youmu used. Note I said words, not content.
There's three scum, and only two town myslynches needed, so seeing so many people go after myself (town) and Youmu (Strongly believe is town) and stopping there, of course I'd naturally be worried. Are you telling me you think Sid is town because he made one case on one person? I can't even tell if he still thinks Remilia is worth lynching. He's only looked at two people in this whole game, how can you even be so shallow as to think that that makes him a good and active scumhunter just because he made one case that you agree with?
I would rather believe there are four scum in the game. I've tried to keep up my suspect pool in accordance to that number. There's no backing anywhere for me to buy that you and Youmu are suddenly town. Youmu isn't registering as town given the outcomes we've had so far. You're no better because of the interactions. Put it this way, you've been scraping by in terms of what we could consider you town for.
While it's true that Sid has been pushing what can be called a policy lynch all game, he hasn't ever posted anything worthless. Whatever his job is, he's doing it well (like the man he used to be). He's not being really detrimental to town by posting stuff he's not behind, his stance and intention is transparent and logical. I'm down with calling him town and I have nothing to hide about how I got to that conclusion. Why can't Youmu, Elizabeth and yourself do the same?
I see Remilia hasn't posted today. Clearly also not interested in voting any scum.
@mod: Give us more votecounts. As in more often. Also include the votes at the end of day post and put the links in the OP like you promised.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Mean Ghost Girl
Does this mean you agree with Youmu on Mean Ghost? Revote Mean Ghost for yes. If there's someone you want to direct our attention to, do a votehop on the target.
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##Vote: Mean Ghost Girl
##Unvote
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I see Remilia hasn't posted today. Clearly also not interested in voting any scum.
>:l
Also, ##Vote:Youmu Konpaku. I'll just keep this here till I see that Pamela is town case.
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For what reasons are you voting Youmu and explain why those things you accuse her of are scummy?
Someone come post so Kukaku can communicate more.
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Hmm I've read and reread this game so I would like to ask a few things.
Elizabeth. Why is/was voting for pamella the equivalence of a scumclaim?
If you already answered this, please link me to it.
Pamela: Alright, if that's how you explain it, I can see point three.
Your revision to my one says that everyone with a vote on them is town no? So you Youmu and Elizabeth are town?
Your revision of my point two is implying that people only look at a few people in the day and not everyone.
Though from your initial post I did not garn these ideas from you from the way I saw it, so thanks for clarifying that.
And challenge accepted. I'll show you how your day 2 is scummy tomorrow.
Oh cut by Youmu being placed at L-2 with a blatant bandwagon hop hmm.
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Did you actually read my second last post?
My reasons are there.
Her lack of reasons is very bad and is instead covering it up with force and CAPITALIZED WORDS!!!!! Surely you should have enough reasons by now? Waiting for the right time for that Pamela is town case is bad. Why can't the right time be now? All of her current scumpicks have now flipped town. Which is very suspicious. Sure, they may have been suspicious to us (which is why they were lynched) but they were pretty much her only suspects. Which looks very bad for her. Plus all this noise and CAPITALIZED WORDS are very distracting.
Also with all this Pamela is town stuff makes me think either Youmu and Pamela are scum buddies or one is and the other is buddying up (most likely Youmu).
If I'm right, didn't Pamela accuse Youmu of buddying up to Arc in D1?
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Also add Bathory's scumpicks and the fact that two of them have flipped town to my list of reasons for her.
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Oh and Pamela, I don't like the spin you placed on Sid for me.
I don't think he's town since he's posted "one case on one person" I think he's town since I can follow his thoughts and his "lurking" like people are harping about isn't way the bleep out there since when he does post, it's nice content.
So I don't see reason to think he's scum like you do.
In fact I'm having trouble making out your case on him. Please do a full updated version of it.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Pamela Ibis
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We shouldn't have to press you into posting your reasons more clearly like that if you're town at all.
Also add Bathory's scumpicks and the fact that two of them have flipped town to my list of reasons for her.
Why is this valid in any way?
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We shouldn't have to press you into posting your reasons more clearly like that if you're town at all.
Why is this valid in any way?
So does that mean you are content with the reasons I gave for Youmu?
I never really said it was a valid reason. I meant it looked suspicious. Picking the scumteam at that time was kinda suspicious, especially with no real proof. Plus after two of them flipped town, it made her look even worse.
AlsoIf I'm right, didn't Pamela accuse Youmu of buddying up to Arc in D1?
Is anyone going to answer this?
And I too would like an updated Sid case from Pamela.
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Also, it's nice to see some more action. Especially after D2 (yes I know TD was released).
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>.> Why can't you just go back and reread the game to see if you can find where Pamela accused Youmu of buddying up to Arc and link us to it as evidence?
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It's better than the IIoA you posted at the top of the page.
Why would what Elizabeth said make Youmu look suspicious? From what's happened all game, Elizabeth is scum and I don't trust what she has to say about her suspects.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Elizabeth Bathory
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Oh now I see what you mean Reg.
I obviously didn't type it properly.
I meant reasons for Bathory. Not Youmu.
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Kukaku agreeing with me surely means the world has ended and we're all dead. ..Wait.
Summary of Kukaku case for Munak: Scum isn't actually suicidal and I am dumb. Yep, that's a good summary. I thought scum was playing a really stupid game of chicken with some sort of trap role that wasn't as bad as just getting the scum lynch done. Before that, as has sadly been forgotten, I didn't actually want Shiba Kikaky as numero uno. I just thought his switch looked more like what scum would do then the case and switch Necro made.
Sigh. I'm not making a case on Pamela being town. Sadly I think the only one who picked up on it is Count. Through insert role shenanigan here we've been able to communicate privately. The role itself didn't confirm her as town. We're satisfied with our read of her there. I'm going to post this now then read more over what Remilia is saying because glacing at it through the preview is giving me a headache.
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Arcy is town! I know this because Youmu suddenly went and buddied up to her early in the game. Youmu is a big meanie head, and she needs to stop yelling at people.
Here is the post.
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Youmu I think what you said about you and Pamela makes more sense. But I'm still slightly suspicious.
I'm still voting you though. For other reasons mentioned earlier.
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For the sake of my throbbing head vein could you tell me which of those reasons exactly you still think are valid if you believe me?
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Role shenanigans and what Remilia linked from Pamela don't make sense to me. I don't see why Youmu would want to open communications to Pamela or Pamela to Youmu.
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Whether you believe it or not, it's what happened. It's provable so I'm not terribly worried about it. It's easier to get a read on someone when they're not distracted by having to edit their words for accusations from thirteen other people.
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Provable is irrelevant here. It doesn't answer why the two of you neighbourized.
Elizabeth's turn to come clear up where the town clear of Pamela came from.
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Hey Kukaku. If you think at least one of my reasons is still valid then vote me.
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Also Youmu, who exactly are your scumpicks.
And no I did notice your question. I just want you to answer first.
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=.= Your head would be so nice to skewer. Your possible townness is one of the few points we disagreed on.
Right now heavy on the Ghost Girl, medium on Bathory, lucky winner somewhere in You/Sid/Bogmire. Basically everyone is still scum. I wish my main suspects would stop randomly disapoof lurking until people forget them. It's really, really irritating. The Lynch all Lurkers line draws here.
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Ok. So at this point I guess most of my reasons don't hold anymore. So I guess I'll switch to Bathory now.
##Unvote
##Vote:Elizabeth Bathory
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Oh! Master! I just thought of something I wanted to tell you about being undead... ... I forgot...
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Summary of Kukaku case for Munak: Scum isn't actually suicidal and I am dumb. Yep, that's a good summary. I thought scum was playing a really stupid game of chicken with some sort of trap role that wasn't as bad as just getting the scum lynch done. Before that, as has sadly been forgotten, I didn't actually want Shiba Kikaky as numero uno. I just thought his switch looked more like what scum would do then the case and switch Necro made.
...Munak wasn't expecting that sort of response.
Munak wonders about how sure miss Youmu seemed to be of herself in #192/#256/#292.
I swear to god, we are fucking KILLING BOGMIRE WITH FIRE TOMORROW! You all BETTER not forget him if/when we die tonight >=[! I'm going to also do a very in depth read overnight of Mean Ghost Girl who is making me FROWN! SAME CAVEAT AS BEFORE!
Munak notes that miss Youmu appears to be incapable of following miss Youmu's own advice.
Munak wonders what happened to miss Youmu's case on Bogmire.
Wait. Munak wonders whether or not miss Youmu had a case on Bogmire at all.
Outside of #188, where miss Youmu calls out Bogmire for 「not trying」, Munak notes that the only times that miss Youmu has mentioned Bogmire is when miss Youmu was screaming for Bogmire's lynch.
Munak will be back with another post soon.
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Master, we're going to be friends for... life..?
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Munak would like a votecount, please.
Munak notes that, even after yesterday's events, miss Youmu is still saying things such as 「Lynch all Lurkers」 in #388.
Munak wonders whether or not people are finally seeing the light.
Will Munak finally have the heads of miss Pamela and lady Bathory?
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Jagaimo shi, I mention Bogmire in at least two of those posts you pointed out about Kukaku. Youmu wanted Bogmire dead and, if you read, immediately after is informed Bogmire isn't here. We went with the reread of the person who was posting nothing at the end of the day over the one that was getting replaced. We're going to discuss how we feel about the new Bogmire when Youmu is awake. Ayumu the second has appeared, so Bogmire should update his opinion on him
and stop voting me like the scum he is. We think Ayumu is town, by the way, because anything long and winding out of Ayumu would have been over twelve hours he posted at all. Read the 'conditions' of the vig again. As scum he would have had no reason to post, instead screwing our lynch up near the end. I know I would have been fooled by the vig. >.>
Yes, I thought the lynch had a good enough chance of flipping red that I went for it. There's no point in having townie cred if you don't abuse it, and we thought protecting the PR was worth it. It looks like we both derped in the same way and Kukaku was just the one unpopular enough to get lynched for it.
Youmu! I'm tired! You can hold the swords now~
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Just as a heads up guys I think I might be coming down with a mild sickness. So my posts might not make much sense for the next day or so.
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I wanna bring Youmu over to full-death. It's much more fun here, and she really needs to loose up. But, it doesn't look like a lot of people agree with me on that. I think Ayumu should be our lynch because of what other people said, and because of what I said above.
...Alright I've looked back and Have noticed a change in reads for each other by Youmu and Pamela,
They were kind of at each other's throats in day 1.
Yet by day 2 they were completely "shes town" to each other.
I'm going to leave it at that.
I don't like Bogmire or Sid's vote for Youmu.
It seems to me they're just riding the waves that Kookie made yesterday.
I need the both of you to explain your reads on EVERYONE besides Youmu and Ayumu/Remilia respectively. Sid Especially, since he's not the only who joined in overnight.
I'd be extending this invitation to Good Girl and Reg except they already attempted to explain most of their reads.
The fact that your making me reread everyone is a waste of time, I find reading who I believe to be scum, and their interactions do quite well.
If the waves are there are we not allowed to use them?
Are you saying we need to completely make new waves when the old ones are still extremely viable?
Are you saying that to use old waves that are likely possible scummy?
Taking some time out of my procrastination very busy scheduled to address this post.
School life is so much more boring with Vayne here...
Youmu is town because she is a beautiful butterfly who has given me the chance and the encouragement I needed to play this game with a level of competency. Also because I was able to see how her picks for scum changed over the course of the day, and that even her opening vote for Ghost Girl today makes sense to me, though I hesitate to agree with it.
Newsflash: My day one sucked. Everyone and the scumbuddy has used it as part of the reasoning for my case, and there's nothing I could do to justify that I was just trying to get by. That said, if you can go through my entire day 2 and point out where I was just trying to get by then, you might actually have a relevant point here.
There's three scum, and only two town myslynches needed, so seeing so many people go after myself (town) and Youmu (Strongly believe is town) and stopping there, of course I'd naturally be worried. Are you telling me you think Sid is town because he made one case on one person? I can't even tell if he still thinks Remilia is worth lynching. He's only looked at two people in this whole game, how can you even be so shallow as to think that that makes him a good and active scumhunter just because he made one case that you agree with?
Cut: What pass?
Awwww what inspiring love.
I dislike the fact that you immediate assume there is always 3 scum.
Actually how are you so sure there is only 3 scum?
...and also Youmu.
Kukaku agreeing with me surely means the world has ended and we're all dead. ..Wait.
Summary of Kukaku case for Munak: Scum isn't actually suicidal and I am dumb. Yep, that's a good summary. I thought scum was playing a really stupid game of chicken with some sort of trap role that wasn't as bad as just getting the scum lynch done. Before that, as has sadly been forgotten, I didn't actually want Shiba Kikaky as numero uno. I just thought his switch looked more like what scum would do then the case and switch Necro made.
Sigh. I'm not making a case on Pamela being town. Sadly I think the only one who picked up on it is Count. Through insert role shenanigan here we've been able to communicate privately. The role itself didn't confirm her as town. We're satisfied with our read of her there. I'm going to post this now then read more over what Remilia is saying because glacing at it through the preview is giving me a headache.
Why do you call out Count's name AFTER he died?
You could have said the same yesterday so why?
You said your role does not confirm she is town, then why are you so sure she is town?
I do not see why you are so absolutely sure that she is town.
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##Vote: Mean Ghost Girl
No, no you can't. You never bothered to comment on yesterday's lynches, why did you think you could get away without making an opinion on me today? What 'suspicious things' did you start noticing that you only bring up after Kukaku's dashing sacrifice? Why do you like Sid more after a case on someone you aren't voting for? It worries me how much your content has dropped off the deep end since Day 1. I suggest you pick up the slack again. I would threaten to send you back from whence you came but neither of us can figure out where you're from.
Sure I commented on them. Yes, it's true I didn't really make out a beautiful, elaborate case on Kukaku (whom I didn't need to actually vote, but I suppose I did throw my support at that lynch), but I did a read on the other choice (Along with every single other person in the game I -think-, at the least I've covered this by now) whom came out as town and the small comments on Kukaku simply listed him as "worse".
You were suspicious because it was being brought up around then how much your posts relied on force and wording to push lynches without actually providing much reasoning for them at all, along with other small details. People today have been making more indepth cases on you until the matter has become practically talked to death, like Bathory, who was much easier to talk to death because she hasn't made a real post in forever.
Moving on.
Pamela, you ask everyone to elaborate about their reads. WHERE ARE YOURS? In case you haven't noticed, you aren't voting, and I haven't seen you call a single person scummy today. I was becoming ready to accept that your D1 post was bad and that you had improved and were town, but D3 comes around and suddenly you don't seem so townie again. You keep trying to defend Youmu and yourself, but you aren't even saying who you DO think is scum.
Reg Shoe:Because someone expressed discontent over what I said, so I explained it. Yes, it was rather fluffy. There was no other way to go about it other then to just completely ignore what was someone practically asking me a question, and that would be terrible.
Also, your assumption that there is 4 scum seems to be incorrect, as we should at least be in a Pseudo-MyLo if that was true.
Yes, I thought the lynch had a good enough chance of flipping red that I went for it. There's no point in having townie cred if you don't abuse it, and we thought protecting the PR was worth it. It looks like we both derped in the same way and Kukaku was just the one unpopular enough to get lynched for it.
I don't understand your logic here. Your sentences, simply put, are not making 2+2=4 to me.
Please explain it to me. I'm quite interested in what you're saying here, and I'd like to comprehend it properly.
Also, am I reading this right if I'm interpreting that the reason Youmu and Pamela are having a love affair with eachother is because they had hot lesbian quicktopic action yesterday? Jeez. You'd think they were masons confirmed as town to eachother, either that or star crossed lovers. Also, isn't Pamela the only person in the game who isn't saying Youmu is scum?
K, Youmu is almost surely scum, the only reason I can't say the same about Bathory is that she hasn't made a SINGLE POST TODAY (Or am I just blind?) but she's probably also scum, Pamela isn't looking too hot either, Munak and Sid are town, Reg Shoe still seems decently town, Remi is still derptown (I -think-...), Ayumu is also town, not sure where I sit on Bogmire. And that's my updated opinion on everyone.
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Also, we seriously need a votecount. I can't even change my vote because I have no idea how close to lynch anyone is. This game has been like drought season for votecounts.
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Sid, what the hell is even your point? In a 14 player game, 3 scum is a fairly common number. 4 scum is possible but cuts the town down to three mislynches, and given how many disadvantages town already have at the game, you need a lot of power to counter it. Power, as HW has stated, is not common in this game.
Hey Sid, how many scum do you assume in the game? Do you take issue with us believing there are three scum because you know there are four? Because that's seriously a hilarious point.
And finally, what the hell is even your point in that last mess of questions?
1. Gee, maybe we DIDN'T WANT TO REVEAL THERE WAS A ROLE RELATED REASON FOR OUR READ? Oh, wait, no, townies CLEARLY claim ALL ROLE RELATED INFORMATION WHEN THEY HAVE IT. Clearly ANYTHING ELSE IS SCUMMY. You know you're making it hard to keep my promise to be calmer with RIDICULOUS questions like this, right?
2. See the answer to question one, and please excuse me while I bang my head against the wall for having to answer the obvious.
3. ...did you even bother reading the post you quote? Or did you just glaze over it to look at things to poke because your case on us sucks and you felt it needed a little reinforcement? Seriously, you're question is answered in that quote
4. I do not see why you are unable to reading comprehension on any intelligent level.
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Ah, Mean Ghost Girl. Look, let me straighten this out for all of you. Just because I don't state reasoning, doesn't mean I don't HAVE it. If you haven't figured it out, I'm kind of with the "cases are scummy" school of thought because they give scum an AWFUL lot of leeway to attack the weakest points and ignore the rest of the case, while still sufficiently discrediting it. We're not asking for a beautiful case, MGG, we're asking more or less for a concise blurb to back up what you're saying, and there are a lot of answers one could use to that. You gave the wrong one, more or less going for redirection onto us. Pathetic.
Your redirection is ridiculous because, you see, we HAVE been giving concise blurbs about our strongest least counterable points. To ignore this is kind of foolish and making you even more scummy.
Anyway, today we'll probably go more for defeat in detail just because sparse reasoning we haven't shared hasn't cut it despite our mutual review of the logic. People are just very good at looking like scum it seems!
Yes, well, you see, if you're actually a good player, you can actually USE a neighbor quicktopic to...GASP! get a read on your neighbor! I know, this technology seems so amazing an unharnessable by someone like you, but I tell you the truth! As far as I'm concerned, Pamela and I WERE masons, the mod just didn't confirm it.
Quite honestly, Pamela is probably the most right headed of all of you because of said quicktopic. You all basically want to punish who was wrong. How about you open your minds and try to find the scum, please? MGG is exempt because she's scum that needs to die now :3.
EBWOP: I'm sorry I sound so mean but seriously, the case/questions posed to me have already been answered and I really *do* hate having to repeat myself. We're all adults, right? We all don't need to have our hands held through reading a thread, right? I just don't get why some of these questions are being asked beyond filler!
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Votecount: Noob Mods Edition
Youmu Konpaku (2) - Bogmire, Sid Barett
Elizabeth Bathory (4) - Mean Ghost Girl, Reg Shoe, Kukaku Shiba, Remilia Scarlet
Pamela Iblis (2) - Ayumu Aikawa, Munak
With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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Elizabeth Bathory (4) - Mean Ghost Girl, Reg Shoe, Kukaku Shiba, Remilia Scarlet
Youmu Konpaku (2) - Bogmire, Sid Barett
Pamela Ibis (2) - Ayumu Aikawa, Munak
Mean Ghost Girl (1) - Youmu Konpaku
Not voting: Elizabeth Bathory, Pamela Ibis
Elizabeth Bathory is at L-2!
You have ~50 hours left in the day. With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Elizabeth Bathory has been prodded.
Totally not redundant. <_<
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If you haven't figured it out, I'm kind of with the "cases are scummy" school of thought
bu-
bwuh
how
does not compute
Hi, sorry, cases are kind of important. That statement is so ass backwards I can't even begin to say what's wrong about it. Dear god.
What did you do, give all your cases to Pamela in your quicktopic yesterday and then hold them back in-thread so that you can come across as Scum-meister 2000?
Also hiiii I asked you a question could you puh-leeze answer it? Or, technically, I asked you to explain one specific thing you said. Close enough. That second quote from the post I made a tiny bit ago. Explain it. I don't care if you insult my intelligence and get all irritated while you do, just do it.
Now that I know you aren't at L-1 or something, I'm happy to say
##Unvote ##Vote Youmu Konpaku
Elizabeth still needs to die, of course, but so do you. And she's not even existing at the moment, which is all kinds of terrible. Things are really starting to get going now, and she just goes and disappears on us? Either way, I'm 100% happy with either of you two being lynched today.
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No, cases are for debate clubs. Thanks for taking a playstyle difference as the ultimate scum claim though. Also yes, we gave Pamela our reads and discussed our cases because we weren't sure if we'd be around to make them after Shiba flipped scum. (Not as planned. :< ) What exactly do you think we talked about, tea and bondage? (Maybe you do think we did that..)
As for the other question, is it hard to understand what I meant? Kukaku and others thought Pamela needed to die and that we were scum for having super sekret reason to believe she was town. He was protecting Necro Gardna because he hated the wagon and thought he was saving town with his own role that fights after death. We both derped up by getting into a town/town fight trying to protect respective power roles. At least we knew about ours. :p
It seriously bothers me that you switched votes before Bathory has even posted. It makes me wonder if you really want her lynched or were just looking for a good excuse to jump onto the other wagon. I know it sucks to be attacked but recent events have told me flailing back is the wrong answer for townies. Please die easy. :D
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##Vote: Pamela Ibis
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I also just noticed one of you're reasons I'm scum is because 'everyone is saying Youmu is scum'. That sounds like scummy sheep mentality. Who cares what everyone else thinks? What do YOU think?
Can we get more votes on The Mean Scum Girl please. Like the ones off me and Pamela, that would be great. I'd really like to see this go. Almost as much as I'd like to see a post from Bathory but townies can't be choosers!
Cut by Shiba doing it wrong -.-
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EBWOM: @mod Your votecount doesn't show Pamela as not voting, is this an error?
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Yes. <_<
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1. Gee, maybe we DIDN'T WANT TO REVEAL THERE WAS A ROLE RELATED REASON FOR OUR READ? Oh, wait, no, townies CLEARLY claim ALL ROLE RELATED INFORMATION WHEN THEY HAVE IT. Clearly ANYTHING ELSE IS SCUMMY. You know you're making it hard to keep my promise to be calmer with RIDICULOUS questions like this, right?
2. See the answer to question one, and please excuse me while I bang my head against the wall for having to answer the obvious.
3. ...did you even bother reading the post you quote? Or did you just glaze over it to look at things to poke because your case on us sucks and you felt it needed a little reinforcement? Seriously, you're question is answered in that quote
4. I do not see why you are unable to reading comprehension on any intelligent level.
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1. Are you assuming scum would not catch on either way?
3. Alright I phrased it wrong, What I mean't ask is " why do you call out only Count picking up on it AFTER he dies?"
4. With the way you have been reacting, you may as well have absolute certainty in her being town.
No, cases are for debate clubs. Thanks for taking a playstyle difference as the ultimate scum claim though. Also yes, we gave Pamela our reads and discussed our cases because we weren't sure if we'd be around to make them after Shiba flipped scum. (Not as planned. :< ) What exactly do you think we talked about, tea and bondage? (Maybe you do think we did that..)
I'd watch that
I need to ask, does this mean you still have Shiba flip scum case ready?, If so show it.
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1. Entirely possible, but keeping them guessing about what it was is always better then helpfully showing all your cards.
3. His death doesn't have anything to do with the timing. I wasn't going to confirm or deny him picking up on it before we revealed anything. If he were alive I would have done the same.
4. When someone you read as townie is being attacked constantly by a bunch of shady people, what alignment do you assume they are?
Let me open the QT again. Pamela was more certain about Kukaku being scum then I was, actually. The points we talked about being scummy were the frustration with the Necro lynch and trying to force the 1 vs 1 because she 'wanted to quit the game so she might as well go out with the lynch'. We thought they were possibly scum partners. I facepalm because Youmu's reasoning for wanting to lynch Necro first is better in retrospect, seeing as if Necro is town Kukaku was likely just a frustrated townie.
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There's nothing wrong with the "Cases are Scummy" school of thought. It's a valid conclusion, but it needs to be done properly.
Needless to say, Youmu is "doin' it wrong".
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bu-
bwuh
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Hi, sorry, cases are kind of important. That statement is so ass backwards I can't even begin to say what's wrong about it. Dear god.
What did you do, give all your cases to Pamela in your quicktopic yesterday and then hold them back in-thread so that you can come across as Scum-meister 2000?
Also hiiii I asked you a question could you puh-leeze answer it? Or, technically, I asked you to explain one specific thing you said. Close enough. That second quote from the post I made a tiny bit ago. Explain it. I don't care if you insult my intelligence and get all irritated while you do, just do it.
Now that I know you aren't at L-1 or something, I'm happy to say
##Unvote ##Vote Youmu Konpaku
Elizabeth still needs to die, of course, but so do you. And she's not even existing at the moment, which is all kinds of terrible. Things are really starting to get going now, and she just goes and disappears on us? Either way, I'm 100% happy with either of you two being lynched today.
This is a wonderful scum post. You're searching for easy targets. First you drive a wagon on the player who is inactive (and sick D:).
Then when you see another opening, you hop onto that wagon based on what... she said Cases are scummy?
No, your failed opportunistic stance is scummy. Sorry Vote: Mean Ghost Girl
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##Unvote
##Vote: Pamela Ibis
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Also add Bathory's scumpicks and the fact that two of them have flipped town to my list of reasons for her.
Ooh, this is pretty!
Because people are wrong about who scum is, they're scum?
That's interesting. Using that logic anyone on a mislynch wagon is scum.
Add this to the list of bullshit Remila is trying to throw at me to get my mislynch.
Youmu is town based on interactions, Remila/Ghost are new scum picks.
Cut: Kukaku, Pamela is still town. Sorry.
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Okay, I've not gotten to doing a full reread, but I was able to gather my thoughts as I slept last night.
First of all, I'm not happy with Reg Shoe trying to rolefish, but if you really want an answer: It's because I use the Neighborizer power offensively. I hit Youmu because I wanted more information and to get a stronger read on her. I did just that. If I didn't, I'd be one of the masses that was throwing dirt around against her, and I'm thankful for this role because it has helped to enlighten me.
Besides, If I had gone the route you appear to suggest, I'd have ended up linking with Arc and Count, which would make me exactly as effective as Moonin was last game.
I counted 3 Scum because we weren't in lylo, but I forgot to add in the likelihood of an ITP.
That said, no one has ever or will ever catch scum because they sound like they're certain about how many scum there are in the game. Sid gets minus points for attempting to bring that up as a point against anyone.
Since I still don't like the case on Youmu, let's debunk it.
"Both of youmu's reads flipped town."
Ha ha, that's silly. She had more than two read unlike Sid
Youmu wanted to lynch bogmire, but she agreed with My read on Necro Gardna. Since no one else was looking at Bog, she decided to throw her vote behind a Necro Lynch, and then suddenly Kukaku came in with a random defense of Gardna and asked everyone to vote either herself or Youmu. Gardna and Kukaku were not her only two reads, and weren't even her top scum picks until Kukaku saw fit to chainsaw defend someone without even the excuse of having a town based Quicktopic between them. I honestly believes Gardna was some sort of godfather because of Kukaku's tricks.
"But what's up with Youmu's town read of Pamela?"
We have a quicktopic together. Get over it. And before you go "Yeah, a Scum OT" I have a quicktopic with someone else now, and if Pressed, I don't mind if She or I outs who she is either. Unless you're willing to believe that I'm willing to out my entire scumtell in order to move the lynch away from one of our own.
"But, but, but she's mean!"
I know. But she's really nice when you get to know her~
To add to the above, I still would have preferred lynching Gardna first, since
The fact that your making me reread everyone is a waste of time, I find reading who I believe to be scum, and their interactions do quite well.
If the waves are there are we not allowed to use them?
Are you saying we need to completely make new waves when the old ones are still extremely viable?
Are you saying that to use old waves that are likely possible scummy?
Oh so Youmu is the only scum? That's good to know, I didn't think this game would be so easy as to have only one scum.
I think you're overestimating how big pondscum is. you see, Algae, by itself, doesn't make big waves, so of course if you keep going after only the big waves, you'll only find yourself in too deep. Also, I disagree heavily with that second question, since it seems to imply that the old waves are still viable.
Sid has not gone after anyone except Remilia, Gardna, and Youmu. I think Remi is town, and I'm certain Youmu is, too. Sids vote for Gardna was also a safe placeholder vote, since Kukaku was voted to L-2 and therefore Gardna was more likely to not die. The switch to Gardna is exactly what I'm talking about when I'm accusing Sid of not having opinions on anybody, because he could just as easily pull out a vote for anyone out of his tushy and no one would even think twice about it.
Vote: Sid Barrett
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Pamela Ibis (3) - Ayumu Aikawa, Munak, Kukaku Shiba
Youmu Konpaku (3) - Bogmire, Sid Barett, Mean Ghost Girl
Elizabeth Bathory (2) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet
Mean Ghost Girl (1) - Youmu Konpaku, Elizabeth Bathory
Sid Barett (1) - Pamela Ibis
Not voting: None
You have ~46.5 hours left in the day. With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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Mod, why is my vote on MeanGhost crossed out?
##Vote: Ghost
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:shrug:
It wasn't a mistake, though.
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:shrug:
It wasn't a mistake, though.
Another Votecount Please
If my vote is still crossed out, then Ghost is conf. scum~
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Pamela Ibis (3) - Ayumu Aikawa, Munak, Kukaku Shiba
Youmu Konpaku (3) - Bogmire, Sid Barett, Mean Ghost Girl
Elizabeth Bathory (2) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet
Mean Ghost Girl (1) - Youmu Konpaku, Elizabeth Bathory
Sid Barett (1) - Pamela Ibis
Not voting: None
You have ~46 hours left in the day. With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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Uhm, okay. Are you ever going to explain why you thought we were scum in the first place? It is a thing we'd like you to clear up for us.
Sid's questions for us have been slightly nitpicky and we'd like him to consider he's keeping this stance because he just doesn't like us. Sid, what do you think of Mean Scum Girl and Bathory right now?
Cut by what the hell.
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Uhm, okay. Are you ever going to explain why you thought we were scum in the first place? It is a thing we'd like you to clear up for us.
Sid's questions for us have been slightly nitpicky and we'd like him to consider he's keeping this stance because he just doesn't like us. Sid, what do you think of Mean Scum Girl and Bathory right now?
Cut by what the hell.
Interactions with Kukaku. Thought you guys were distancing/bussing.
But Kukaku is town SO.
Also, my votes been blocked. ^-^
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I did not need this added to the mix.
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##Vote: Pamela Ibis
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Hurray Minus points, finally I get some of those.
Lets see...So apparently you believe to have 4 Town reads.
Anon
Youmu
Likely-town Remi,
and Yourself.
Am I correct?
Sid's questions for us have been slightly nitpicky and we'd like him to consider he's keeping this stance because he just doesn't like us. Sid, what do you think of Mean Scum Girl and Bathory right now?
The case Youmu?
I'd like you to post it.
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Elizabeth. Why is/was voting for pamella the equivalence of a scumclaim?
If you already answered this, please link me to it.
Kinda a thing.
So if you are responsible for the Elizabeth vote shenanigans, you have a chance to come forward now without repercussion. If you wait until later I cannot extend this offer.
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Sid, how am I suposed to believe you're reading the game if you don't notice we already answered you (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697564.html#msg697564). Also that wasn't an answer to the question.
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I also just noticed one of you're reasons I'm scum is because 'everyone is saying Youmu is scum'. That sounds like scummy sheep mentality. Who cares what everyone else thinks? What do YOU think?
That's not a reason you're scum, I was just bringing note to the fact that Pamela is like the only one who doesn't think you're scum, which was more related to Pamela then my case on you.
Also, okay, I understand what you were saying now. The PR thing was the main thing I had been frowning at, because I was wondering how you would have known about either of their powers, but I can see now that you meant Pamela's.
There's nothing wrong with the "Cases are Scummy" school of thought. It's a valid conclusion, but it needs to be done properly.
Needless to say, Youmu is "doin' it wrong".
Okay, maybe it can be done well! I haven't seen it happen, but I won't deny it. But yes... Youmu is "doin' it wrong", in either case.
This is a wonderful scum post. You're searching for easy targets. First you drive a wagon on the player who is inactive (and sick D:).
Then when you see another opening, you hop onto that wagon based on what... she said Cases are scummy?
No, your failed opportunistic stance is scummy. Sorry Vote: Mean Ghost Girl
Hi, nice misrep followed by a misrep. I've been driving the case on you since DAY ONE. This isn't new in the least! And not only are you inactive, your posts aren't good either. For example, these ones. You've been gone so long and almost the only scumhunting you have to say is an OMGUS on me built off of misreps?
The other scumhunting is... oh hey, speaking of easy targets, your only other scumhunting would be on the derp player. Once again, your case on someone (in this case me) almost seems to apply more to you then it does to the intended target.
Your other misrep is the reasoning I jumped onto the Youmu case. It's like you haven't even read my other posts before the one I voted Youmu. I would have voted her earlier, but I had no idea how many votes were on her due to the very small amount of votecounts this game, so I waited. I voiced this displeasure as well.
In other words, you still need to die and I really wish I could vote you and Youmu at the same time.
also AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
/me points and laughs at Elizabeth's vote.
Cut by ROLEFISHING. Do we need to have a talk about why rolefishing is bad?
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No, but we can talk about how taking someone's vote away is bad.
And while we are at it, let's go over how you appeal to majority is moot and not a valid point against anyone.
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Kinda a thing.
So if you are responsible for the Elizabeth vote shenanigans, you have a chance to come forward now without repercussion. If you wait until later I cannot extend this offer.
Because Pamela is townier than thou.
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##Vote: Pamela Ibis
##Unvote
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Sorry for the wait, let's gobble some ghosts. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UWOpsPBXX8)
Bathory: I think she is likely to be scum. I don't know why her vote doesn't count anymore. Town action? Scum gambit? Who's to say except the player that's actually responsible. However, her new content is simply awful. Yesterday:
Scum:
Kukaku
Necro
Youmu
There you go. Scum team nailed, GG.
Today:
Youmu is town based on interactions, Remila/Ghost are new scum picks.
She flipped her reads on their heads, and has at no point in the game provided evidence or arguments in either direction concerning Youmu. I want to know what about Youmu's interactions makes you think she's town now, or at least townier that Remilia and Ghost. I also want to know why you thought Youmu was scum yesterday.
Youmu:
On the point of cases: Cases are good. Cases are the basis for gut reads, and players that don't give cases leave terrible feelings in my gut. They force players to look into each other's histories and draw conclusions from their actions. Furthermore, by analyzing the cases players make on each other, us townies can get a clearer idea of what they are thinking, as opposed to only seeing simple-minded accusations based on gut. Even if the final conclusions are ultimately reached due to gut, it is far easier to got read a player that makes cases than one that doesn't.
On the point of not giving town/scum information: I understand your hesitance to tell town information, but please understand town's hesitance to act on information you haven't given us.
Now, your play has been highly reactionary today, and I'm having a hard time reading your scum picks You currently have a vote on Mean Ghost Girl.
##Vote: Mean Ghost Girl[/b]No, no you can't. You never bothered to comment on yesterday's lynches, why did you think you could get away without making an opinion on me today? What 'suspicious things' did you start noticing that you only bring up after Kukaku's dashing sacrifice? Why do you like Sid more after a case on someone you aren't voting for? It worries me how much your content has dropped off the deep end since Day 1. I suggest you pick up the slack again. I would threaten to send you back from whence you came but neither of us can figure out where you're from.
Mean Ghost Girl has picked up the slack today, so do you think she's still scum? Is there anything you dislike about her new content? Also you had suspicions of Bathory; in the context of her lurking through the early part of the day and her new cases, are you more or less sure that she is scum?
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Another Votecount Please
If my vote is still crossed out, then Ghost is conf. scum~
Why don't you try voting someone else to see if it's still crossed out?
New Bogmire is looking very good so far. As is New Ayumu.
And Kukaku, if you think Bathory is scum then vote me.
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Filler for Kukaku.
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Oh wait. Three separate players. Nevermind that filler.
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Bogmire: You know Bathory just answered the question about why she thought I was scum yesterday when I asked it? It's not hard to read her posts, there are maybe ten of them all game. This is what we didn't like about the old Bogmire, and I'm finding I like you less for the same reasons. You're floating around the main wagons and taking content from other people to look like you're questioning and being pro-town. I'm insulted you call us reactionary for trying to start a wagon on someone the rest of you want to blithely ignore in favor of too loud, too absent or too cute to live. Especially when your opening vote is because we've been attacking you. Even the comments about cases got brought up by Meanie before you. Cases are for the transient people, and I'm only half-transient!
As for picked up the slack, I disagree. Actually, there's one thing I really want her to answer, in light of her reaction.
also AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
/me points and laughs at Elizabeth's vote.
Cut by ROLEFISHING. Do we need to have a talk about why rolefishing is bad?
So are you or are you not claiming to be the voteblocker, Mean Scum Girl? No takebacks. If you're not, we'd like to know what it is about a missing vote on someone you're no longer voting as scum makes you burst into hysterical laughter for. This kind of blatant reaction is horrible no matter the answer to the question.
I don't claim to know what goes on in the heads of the ungrateful dead. I know the person it looked like Bathory would be tunneling against (me) would be town. I think her alignment would be much clearer to me after we lynch the scum waving a bright red banner screaming HELLO I AM SCUM in front of me.
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##Vote: Pamela Ibis
##Unvote
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So does that mean you don't think Bathory is scum? If so, vote me.
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Nah, we can do twenty questions better then that. Okay so you still hate Pamela. What do you not like?
If you don't like her role and how she used it, vote Sid Barret.
If you think Sid is town and don't like her case on him, vote Reg Shoe.
If it's something in a specific post she made today, press 1vote Remilia Scarlet.
If you think Bathory is town, follow your vote with an unvote.
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If you hate Pamela for other reasons than the ones mentioned by Youmu then vote Ayumu.
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And this is here for flower crane cannon #2 to play 20 questions.
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In response to Youmu:
Interactions with Kukaku. Thought you guys were distancing/bussing.
But Kukaku is town SO.
Also, my votes been blocked. ^-^
Is this in any way an acceptable reason to suspect you were scum yesterday Youmu, taken alone?
Bussing is an attack used when two scummy looking players attack eachother, not as the assuption upon which you select scum. I do not think Bathory saying that your interactions with Kukaku are scummy if Kukaku is scum and town if Kukaku flips town is a sufficient explanation.
In addition, Youmu, I said your play was reactionary today because you have spent more time directing town, explaining why Pamela is town without telling us the details (yes we know it's because of your neighborizing, but since we can't see the quick topic, well...), telling us that gut is good, etc. than you have actually spent pursuing your scum reads and continuing your cases on them. It's a weird case to follow, so I'll summarize my understanding of your case. Then I would like you to restate your case on Mean Ghost Girl in full.
In summary:
##Vote: Mean Ghost GirlNo, no you can't. You never bothered to comment on yesterday's lynches, why did you think you could get away without making an opinion on me today? What 'suspicious things' did you start noticing that you only bring up after Kukaku's dashing sacrifice? Why do you like Sid more after a case on someone you aren't voting for? It worries me how much your content has dropped off the deep end since Day 1. I suggest you pick up the slack again. I would threaten to send you back from whence you came but neither of us can figure out where you're from.
To which Ghost responded:
Sure I commented on them. Yes, it's true I didn't really make out a beautiful, elaborate case on Kukaku (whom I didn't need to actually vote, but I suppose I did throw my support at that lynch), but I did a read on the other choice (Along with every single other person in the game I -think-, at the least I've covered this by now) whom came out as town and the small comments on Kukaku simply listed him as "worse".
You were suspicious because it was being brought up around then how much your posts relied on force and wording to push lynches without actually providing much reasoning for them at all, along with other small details. People today have been making more indepth cases on you until the matter has become practically talked to death, like Bathory, who was much easier to talk to death because she hasn't made a real post in forever.
And finally, your most recent case is:
As for picked up the slack, I disagree. Actually, there's one thing I really want her to answer, in light of her reaction.So are you or are you not claiming to be the voteblocker, Mean Scum Girl? No takebacks. If you're not, we'd like to know what it is about a missing vote on someone you're no longer voting as scum makes you burst into hysterical laughter for. This kind of blatant reaction is horrible no matter the answer to the question.
I would like you to clarify this case for me. It's rather confusing at a glance because it's very aggressive and it's hard to identify whether there is substance beneath it or whether it's a flurry of hot air. Simply explain exactly what you find scummy, clearly, without being abbrasive, about Mean Ghost Girl in the context of her actions in a single post.
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##Vote:Remilia Scarlet
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If the post you didn't like was post number 339 then vote me again.
If it was number 351 then vote Sid.
If it was number 359 then vote Ayumu.
If it was number 360 then vote Bogmire.
If it was number 412 then vote Reg Shoe.
If it was number 420 then vote Pamela.
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C'mon you guys. Post more so we can get some information from Kukaku.
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The Count has it easy, all he has to do is post a haiku. >.>
Let's not let questions distract the rest of the zombies. Sid, I would seriously like you to come back and answer my question please, since I've answered yours, and especially in light of the current shenanigans. Remilia, similar question, what do you think of Ghost Girl right now?
Is this in any way an acceptable reason to suspect you were scum yesterday Youmu, taken alone?
Looking at it objectively, no. If Kukaku was my buddy.. well first of all he probably wouldn't have tried to stop a town wagon like that. From the perspective of Shiba/Necro/Youmu scumteam, all the last minute vote fight would have done is made a bunch of townies stare suspiciously at me for scum calling me out for no reason. It's kind of a simplistic way of drawing reads. Scummy guy A is chainsaw defending Scummy guy B from Person C therefore Person C is scum? Since the inquiry is here, Bathory can perhaps explain further how this works out.
In addition, Youmu, I said your play was reactionary today because you have spent more time directing town, explaining why Pamela is town without telling us the details (yes we know it's because of your neighborizing, but since we can't see the quick topic, well...), telling us that gut is good, etc. than you have actually spent pursuing your scum reads and continuing your cases on them.
I find this to be a weird statement in the face of:
I would like you to clarify this case for me. It's rather confusing at a glance because it's very aggressive and it's hard to identify whether there is substance beneath it or whether it's a flurry of hot air.
So is it reactionary or aggressive? These stances don't make sense together. I don't think it's possible to passively pursue someone anyways. Explain what you are referring to by directing town please. Considering how both of us were becoming lynch material, I felt bringing the role to the surface was the best for both of us, and that I owed someone an explanation. <.< And gut is good! >=[!
But we find at least the last request reasonable, and possibly productive in getting you all looking at our target. Everyone is such a nice short read in this game.
In simple terms. Go back to the end of Day 1. Mean Scum Girl leaves the Ayumu wagon (with something like 11 hours left in the day) and votes Bathory (someone with 0 votes on them) for tunneling on Kukaku and says
Now, honestly, I don't really see the connections you're making with your first two sentences and why they're scummy. I went back and looked over Kukaku's previous posts and didn't find the things you were accusing him of doing to have happened in any scummy manner.
Ghost Girl thinks Kukaku is town and Bathory is scum, yes? Day 2 comes along, many people are angry and calling out Kukaku and Necro, yes? She votes Bathory again, defending Kukaku's actions further. But on Kukaku himself, even though her vote is based around him being town, Mean Scum Girl can't be bothered to take a stance. She says Kukaku looks better in this spat even though she hasn't reread Kukaku (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695988.html#msg695988) but hopes that the wagon will shift onto Kukaku instead of Necro Gardna because she 'thinks she remembers lots of people saying they didn't like Kukaku'.
So let's look at this vote logically. If she hasn't reread Kukaku and has no read on him, why has she been pursuing a vote on Bathory based around attacking him? The reason that pops into my head is Wagon Avoidance. It's easy to keep the same stance on someone you know isn't going to be noticed for the first few days and not get caught up in the wagonic chaos as scum. (Fun and profitable!) As early as possible, Meanie gets off the wagon she's been pushing for three days, on the day it finally becomes viable, to pursue me the moment I attack her. So no. I don't think she's picking up the slack. I think she's just getting ready to take advantage of the next two patsies to fall.
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I had a strong town read on Mean Ghost Girl for most of D1 but she is getting worse as the game goes on. I still think she is most likely town though.
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We are almost in the same state, master, being dead and all...
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Munak is posting here to avoid being hit by a cattle prod.
Munak will be back sometime.
Hopefully sooner rather than later but Munak will see.
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##Vote:huh what
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Kukaku stop trolling>_>
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It's kind of like none of the above, isn't it? Speaking of huh what, a votecount with updated times would be nice.
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No! Master! Stay AWAY from the light!
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Miss Pamela cheerleading the Kukaku Shiba wagon is still a thing that Munak is holding onto.
Lady Bathory defending miss Pamela for no reason is still a thing that Munak is holding onto.
Lady Bathory's continued defense of miss Pamela is a thing that Munak has noted.
Lady Bathory's assertion that there were 3 scum on day 2 before we had even had any flips is still a thing that Munak is holding onto.
Miss Pamela's general D1 behavior is still a thing that Munak is holding onto.
Lady Bathory's general D1&2 behavior are still things that Munak is holding onto.
Miss Pamela's defense of miss Youmu in #412 has been noted.
Munak is currently undecided on miss Youmu but Munak believes that miss Youmu is more likely to flip a red color than a green one.
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It's kind of like none of the above, isn't it? Speaking of huh what, a votecount with updated times would be nice.
Those were Pamela's only posts this day.
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This is a wonderful scum post. You're searching for easy targets. First you drive a wagon on the player who is inactive (and sick D:).
Then when you see another opening, you hop onto that wagon based on what... she said Cases are scummy?
No, your failed opportunistic stance is scummy. Sorry Vote: Mean Ghost Girl
This is chainsaw defending Youmu, correct? Considering this is the only thing you respond to for your first post in the day, I have to say you simply don't read beyond the last post.
First of all, I'm not happy with Reg Shoe trying to rolefish, but if you really want an answer: It's because I use the Neighborizer power offensively. I hit Youmu because I wanted more information and to get a stronger read on her. I did just that. If I didn't, I'd be one of the masses that was throwing dirt around against her, and I'm thankful for this role because it has helped to enlighten me.
Besides, If I had gone the route you appear to suggest, I'd have ended up linking with Arc and Count, which would make me exactly as effective as Moonin was last game.
If the mod allows it, post screenshots of your QT with Youmu here for everyone. Then we can judge for ourselves exactly what you got to see that made you so certain of Youmu being town. I would expect there to be lots of communication if you were using the power offensively. The more you make scum talk, the harder it is for them to cover their lies.
Also, my votes been blocked. ^-^
Your vote's been good for nothing all along. I have no objection to a scum's vote being blocked.
Because Pamela is townier than thou.
Only scum would know that for certain. No evidence and no one else seeing your logic. You still haven't told us why you could claim Pamela was definitely town on Day 1.
Why don't you try voting someone else to see if it's still crossed out?
New Bogmire is looking very good so far. As is New Ayumu.
And Kukaku, if you think Bathory is scum then vote me.
If someone could gain immunity to a target's votes, that would be something new. In any case, a straight voteblock is the most likely thing.
I don't claim to know what goes on in the heads of the ungrateful dead. I know the person it looked like Bathory would be tunneling against (me) would be town. I think her alignment would be much clearer to me after we lynch the scum waving a bright red banner screaming HELLO I AM SCUM in front of me.
The scum in front of us happens to be Elizabeth from what I can see. Why is Mean Ghost more scum than Elizabeth? Or even, why can't they both be scum?
C'mon you guys. Post more so we can get some information from Kukaku.
No you post information. Kukaku isn't exactly obliged to care about the game anymore even if she still has a valid vote.
Munak is currently undecided on miss Youmu but Munak believes that miss Youmu is more likely to flip a red color than a green one.
What is your current pick out of Pamela, Youmu, Elizabeth and Mean Ghost? By my count, all 4 are the viable lynches for the day.
I reiterate what I said Day 1 about consolidating the votes. I think it's plain to see that Elizabeth is scummy. Zero scumhunting, worthless voting and chainsaw defending Youmu and Pamela are especially suspicious for today. I don't feel there's any point in arguing circles when the lynch should be obvious.
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Where do ghosts buy their food? At the GHOST-ery store!
.. oh I kill me... uh, wait that was funny too...
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Pamela Ibis = Elizabeth Bathory > Youmu Konpaku > ???
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Sid is suspicious for tunneling.
Munak is suspicious for tunneling.
Ayumu is suspicious for tunneling.
Bogmire is suspicious for tunneling.
I'm starting to lose hope in this game.
Everyone is buying so hard into the "If it's not X, it's Y" Fallacy.
No one is even considering options outside of the three of us.
no one is even willing to listen to us.
And by the time the remaining townies outside of Me and Youmu realize what's happening...
The game will be over.
Seriously, the Lizzy wagon looks even worse to me, because it doesn't even bother to address the issue of Me and Youmu, and saves us for the mythical lylo which is right around the corner.
If the mod allows it, post screenshots of your QT with Youmu here for everyone.
Should I quote my role pm while I'm at it?
it's been forever since anyone had to make screenshotting illegal, I'm not stupid enough to start that up again.
Kukaku isn't exactly obliged to care about the game anymore even if she still has a valid vote.
Kukaku wins with the town. I'd like to hope she's still trying to make sure her vote lands on scum.
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Master, we must not forget to thank the evil. They have blessed us with unholy strength!
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Munak has seen nothing of note that would change Munak's opinions, and Munak hasn't been allowed to get any of Munak's preferred lynches.
Munak sees no reason why Munak should switch over.
It is true that Munak needs to reread certain individuals, but that will come later when Munak is not feeling down.
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The scum in front of us happens to be Elizabeth from what I can see. Why is Mean Ghost more scum than Elizabeth? Or even, why can't they both be scum?
Considering Mean Scum Girl has been tunneling on her since Day 1 and started today making a wagon on her, I highly doubt they could be conjoined scum zombie twins. That would require some kind of insane superbussing instinct the likes of which only potatos can dream.
..It would be nice if we got the impression that anyone was actually reading our case. If Youmu and I are forced to choose between the voteless wonder and the only other living person looking at alternate lynches there is going to be copious amounts of alcohol involved in our voting patterns.
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Votecount - Too Early For Votecounts Edition
Pamela Ibis (2) - Ayumu Aikawa, Munak
Youmu Konpaku (3) - Bogmire, Sid Barett, Mean Ghost Girl
Elizabeth Bathory (2) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet
Mean Ghost Girl (1) - Youmu Konpaku, Elizabeth Bathory
Sid Barett (1) - Pamela Ibis
Not voting: Kukaku Shiba
You have ~32 hours left in the day. With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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##Vote:Mean Ghost Girl
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...How much time do we have left?
Sid, how am I suposed to believe you're reading the game if you don't notice we already answered you (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697564.html#msg697564). Also that wasn't an answer to the question.
Ahaha...not exactly what I had anticipated. I apologize.
I'm completely dropping my suspicious on you. The fact that you had the post ready means you truly believed Kukaku to scum. Thats all the Proof I need.
I find Pamela at the moment seems to be a pillar of sorts. I don't know why, I just feel that way.
I find Mean Ghost Girl...strange really
Hmm. I don't really like Sid. But he's got some good stuff about him along with the bad stuff. I wouldn't be unhappy if he got lynched, although I definitely have higher priorities at the moment (Elizabeth, Pamela). Actually, just went and reread Pamela now. I guess she isn't still being terrible; when I think about it, my main problem with her is mostly just her D1 post. I still don't like her, but she's sunken on my priority list as well. And of course, the other one I wanted dead, Bog, is... yeah. I guess I'm left on Bathory now! Followed by Sid and Pamela... to a lesser extent.
Supposely I was a suspect for her, with Pamela following, when Youmu started getting hammered, she switched over.
K, Youmu is almost surely scum, the only reason I can't say the same about Bathory is that she hasn't made a SINGLE POST TODAY (Or am I just blind?) but she's probably also scum, Pamela isn't looking too hot either, Munak and Sid are town, Reg Shoe still seems decently town, Remi is still derptown (I -think-...), Ayumu is also town, not sure where I sit on Bogmire. And that's my updated opinion on everyone.
She claimed "almost surely scum" why so?
If you truly believed Youmu to be scum, rather then being uncertain with "almost" she shoud have gone Youmu IS scum.
Shes leaving herself options to get out of the wagon.
I don't see the need of why she needed to change her vote to Youmu, when she wanted Elizabeth dead as well. Her original vote was on which also had a Hefty wagon, to wagon which had the same number of votes. She was the driving point for Bathory's lynch since day one, (she said so herself) yet when another option opens up, she hops on it. She found Bathory to be scummy, the fact that she was the driving force since day 1 and so quick to change votes, even if she did not change stances aare suspicious.
The post with her vote on Youmu feels to me more of a opinion difference rather then a notable point.
##Unvote
##Vote Mean Ghost Girl
Bathory...What the hell is there to say...
Scum:
Kukaku
Necro
Youmu
There you go. Scum team nailed, GG.
Really conceited to believe the scumteam to be nailed.
In Day 2 She believes Pamela to be town, yet refuses to believe Youmu to be town as well. Which shows shes not believing Pamela who she believes to be town. To not trust someone you believed to be town is suspicious.
Interactions with Kukaku. Thought you guys were distancing/bussing.
But Kukaku is town SO.
...It took her a whole day to finally decide to believe Youmu is town, and thats only after both of her targets from the above quote were killed. I would question if the reason was really acceptable, but thats already answer by Youmu.
...leaning scum
Oh and I MUST point this out.
I had a strong town read on Mean Ghost Girl for most of D1 but she is getting worse as the game goes on. I still think she is most likely town though.
Strong town read?
This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692859.html#msg692859) says otherwise.
Contradictions?
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You can be reactionary and aggressive at the same time. It simply means you are using unnecessarily strong rhetorical tactics to attack players who attack you, while making most of your posts in response to inquiries from other players as opposed to stand-alone (posts created in response to no one in particular, but made solely to inquire upon those you find suspicious). I find your play style today both reactionary and aggressive.
Arguments are inherently both. Person A says something, person B says something angry and responsive, person A says another thing in response with aggression, etc.
I'll be honest Youmu, it's because I have been trying to read your case that I was so critical of you - you started to make a case, and then dove off into "cases are scummy" and didn't push based on logic. And now that I see it, I think I agree with the facts of it. Mean Ghost Girl has been pretty much avoiding the wagons on my reread of her. I'm not sure I think it's intentional though. I would like ghastly gal to respond to the accusation, explaining why she thinks you are worse today that Bathory after she went against Bathory for so long. If anything, I would hold Bathory's lack of posting (which is one of the reasons the nasty specter switched to you) against Bathory, and a side-by-side explanation of Not Very Nice Girl's two cases would do us all good.
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The above post was directed at Youmu.
To Pamela - generally, you are allowed to quote yourself, although you aren't allowed to quote the other players. I would know, since the concern has come up several times before, and I personally have taken advantage of that when I wrote walls of text to other players using special channels of communication that I later was requested to place in the thread.
@mod - Are players allowed to quote posts that they made outside of the game thread within the thread? Not the posts of other players, but content that they made themselves?
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Oh hey, Shoe's being the useless town that I thought he was. It's ok honey, admitting you're wrong is the first step~.
@Sid: Mind explaining why that's scummy? I had Youmu pegged as scum based upon interactions with Kukaku. Otherwise, I haven't seen much pointing to Youmu scum. When I was wrong about Kukaku, I changed my read. Where is the scum intent there?
However, I'm glad you're town. Remila is scummy too, I agree.
However, you're being stupid again. Why is not trusting someone you believe to be town scummy? I think you're town and wrong about me being scum. So should I just vote myself because you think I'm scum and I think you're town? There is such a thing as ~wrong town~.
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Town
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Pamela
Bogmire
Youmu
Reg Shoe
Sid
Scum
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Mean Ghost
Remila
@Youmu: Is there anyone else currently not on either of these two lists you'd like me to take a look at?
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My other head has reminded me to look at Munak. Please hold.
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READY FOR THIS VOTE COUNT ANALYSIS? HERE WE GO.
Pamela Ibis (2) - Ayumu Aikawa, Munak
Youmu Konpaku (3) - Bogmire, Sid Barett, Mean Ghost Girl
Elizabeth Bathory (2) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet
Mean Ghost Girl (1) - Youmu Konpaku, Elizabeth Bathory
Sid Barett (1) - Pamela Ibis
Not voting: Kukaku Shiba
BAM.
Now, let's examine what we have already determined through reads.
Youmu Konpaku (3) - Bogmire, Sid Barett, Mean Ghost Girl
Elizabeth Bathory (2) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet
Youmu and I are both town. I don't think there are 2 scum on either of these wagons, but there's certainly one on each.
Reg Shoe is terribad town, hence Remila scum.
Bogmire is TOWNNNNNNNNNN~
and Sid's posting has be town with a few minor flaws.
So Ghostgirl is scum.
We had determined this through reads REGARDLESS.
Let us examine the remaining wagons. I will operate under the assumption that there are 3 scum.
Pamela Ibis (2) - Ayumu Aikawa, Munak
Mean Ghost Girl (1) - Youmu Konpaku, Elizabeth Bathory
Sid Barett (1) - Pamela Ibis
Not voting: Kukaku Shiba
We know that Shiba is town, so no scum there. Scum are all on wagons, and likely dispersed amongst them because of the lack of a real "leading wagon".
Pamela is town, so ignore that.
I've Youmu and I are town.
SO, who's left?
Pamela Ibis (2) - Ayumu Aikawa, Munak
Pamela is obvious town. One of these two is scum.
So, the scum team, if I'm 100% correct is Remila, Ghost and one of Ayumu/Munak.
I'll read both Ayumu and Munak again and tell you which one I'm leaning.
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Mean Ghost Girl (3) - Youmu Konpaku,
Elizabeth Bathory, Kukaku Shiba, Sid Barett
Elizabeth Bathory (2) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet
Pamela Ibis (2) - Ayumu Aikawa, Munak
Youmu Konpaku (2) - Bogmire, Mean Ghost Girl
Sid Barett (1) - Pamela Ibis
Not voting: None!
You have 24 hours left in the day. With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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Just posting to say I slept in rather late and woke up to a medical emergency. It *should* be handled but I'm still calming down from it. I'm hoping Myon will be on soon so we can put out some solid content. My apologies for the lack of posting.
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Like Reg Shoe, I think it would be beneficial for Youmu and Pamela to post the content of their neighbor quick topic for us. They are both viable lynches, and I get the feeling that the contents of the quick topic would clarify much for us.
Mod - Would it be acceptable for players in this game to post the content of quick topic posts that they themselves wrote?
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Can't answer that.
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Like Reg Shoe, I think it would be beneficial for Youmu and Pamela to post the content of their neighbor quick topic for us. They are both viable lynches, and I get the feeling that the contents of the quick topic would clarify much for us.
Mod - Would it be acceptable for players in this game to post the content of quick topic posts that they themselves wrote?
What the hell are you even saying?
Pamela and Youmu are NOT viable lynches, AS THEY ARE BOTH TOWN.
Now stop goofing around and get on the Ghost wagon. She's scum.
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Pamela's recent actions today aren't quite as scummy as a Mean Ghost Girl reread.
So I'll place her in my #2 spot for now.
And here's why MGG is ze scumz
First from day 2 is her hard waffle poast (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695129.html#msg695129). She attacks Pamela for not being able to add a unique reason to my case when she bandwagoned me. That itself is fine but only Pamela gets ire for not being able to justify a stale case when the count had already pointed this out on day 1 and the bandwagon on my was more, "let's lynch the newbie and get some info and also not allow him to reach LYLO." What comes as really bad about this is that she turns right around and says:
However, in her favor, it was somewhat late in the day, so bandwagoning isn't entirely unforgivable, especially if she knew she likely would not be returning before deadline. Still,
I mean, pick a side.
Then her blurb on me feels as if she doesn't really think I'm scum and wants to get a free mislynch out of me.
She later posts again (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695988.html#msg695988) with nothing but waffles and might as well have not said anything.
She closes out the day (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696365.html#msg696365) with broken promises on rereads and anything resembling an opinion and only worries about her image to everyone.
Another, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696376.html#msg696376) just announcing to hammer etc. on someone but an interesting thing to note is that Sid has been coming up a few times (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696393.html#msg696393) in her posts though she never gets around to saying anything about him. I mean even this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696393.html#msg696393) that tries to talk about his is again another huge waffle over nothing.
Day 3 rolls around with a new post, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696904.html#msg696904) and they are still terrible.
Things to note are how she just piggybacks off of her case from yesterday, which was what exactly you've been waffling harder than breakfast, and calls me town when earlier she just called me "New something"
Oh so now she can just come right back and say I'm town and not scum. Interesting.
And that Sid thing comes back while she puts an infamous "I'm rereading so and so" (and the reads will never be revealed)
But seeing as how she was on the fence about the other half ghost girl, she leaves herself perfect opprotunity to bandwagon off of Sid onto Youmu in her next post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696971.html#msg696971) while she lets her Elizabeth case grow stale by not adding anything else and pushing a shallow case.
She might as well of not said the next post since it was just rambling noise (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696987.html#msg696987) which is a distraction.
Her response to Youmu's attack have left me wanting more, especially since she waffled like a mofo yesterday and no you did not throw support as much as you cheerled the wagon on Shiba.
She also starts appealing to majority with this beautiful line:
Also, isn't Pamela the only person in the game who isn't saying Youmu is scum?
And she keeps at it with the waffling since instead of flat out saying so and so is scum she goes "Youmu is almost surely scum" well ok
And in her most recent post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697651.html#msg697651) her point about "drving a case on you (Elizabeth) since DAY ONE" is less impressive than she thinks since it had at that point grown stale and it just now got restated and felt reactionary.
Then she tops it off with an insult at Elizabeth and a buzzword at how I wished to address a legitamite concern.
So there you all have it folks, why Mean Ghost Girl is scum.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Mean Ghost Girl
Lynching her into oblivion now would please me.
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EBWOP: This line should say:
"Her response to Youmu's attack (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697340.html#msg697340) have left me wanting more, especially since she waffled like a mofo yesterday and no you did not throw support as much as you cheerled the wagon on Shiba.
She also starts appealing to majority with this beautiful line:"
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Oh, I would also like to say that with the way Mean Ghost Girl has been defending Remilia all game, when she flips scum Remilia is scum.
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Oh, I would also like to say that with the way Mean Ghost Girl has been defending Remilia all game, when she flips scum Remilia is scum.
So Ayumu is either SUPER BUSSING, or he's town.
Alright, here we go, I'm gonna set it in stone now.
Ghost Girl,Remila,Munak for the scums.
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##Vote: Reg Shoe
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What comes as really bad about this is that she turns right around and says:
I mean, pick a side.
uh
What, so when we talk about people we think might be scum, it's so horrible to say anything good about them?
She later posts again (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg695988.html#msg695988) with nothing but waffles and might as well have not said anything.
what
I can't even understand how this post is "nothing but waffles and might as well have not said anything". What? Does anyone else agree with this?
She closes out the day (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696365.html#msg696365) with broken promises on rereads and anything resembling an opinion and only worries about her image to everyone.
Except, uh, I followed through on those rereads. Okay, I didn't reread Kukaku, but you're blatantly ignoring that I reread Sid and Reg Shoe. Blatantly worries about my image? Are you just making words to make me sound even worse?
I mean even this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696393.html#msg696393) that tries to talk about his is again another huge waffle over nothing.
so clearly me not coming to a decisive conclusion over whether everyone looks townish or scummy means I'm bad
Oh so now she can just come right back and say I'm town and not scum. Interesting.
Stuff happened since then. Like the fakevig. Also I had been calling you "derp that I'm not sure whether it's town or scum.", not scum. There's a difference. Now you're being played by someone who isn't derp, too.
And that Sid thing comes back while she puts an infamous "I'm rereading so and so" (and the reads will never be revealed)
didn't I say how I felt about everyone like three times, I mean that's what I got out of those rereads, do I have to post paragraphs about how I decided so and so and etcetc didn't look really scummy?
while she lets her Elizabeth case grow stale by not adding anything else and pushing a shallow case.
Gee she sorta hadn't posted anything real in forever, what the hell am I supposed to add to her case on her?
She might as well of not said the next post since it was just rambling noise (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696987.html#msg696987) which is a distraction.
k I'll just ignore when people think there's something off about something I said and could use clarification, will me ignoring people make you happy?
And she keeps at it with the waffling since instead of flat out saying so and so is scum she goes "Youmu is almost surely scum" well ok
...Does this REALLY matter? REALLY? I think you're at least the second person to say this, too. Jesus, is it THAT bad that I said "almost surely" because we haven't actually gotten a flip or cop or something on her that makes her 100% scum? I don't like going around throwing positives when I don't have positives, and I don't make them look like 100% positives, and I don't see what the big difference between surely and almost surely is and why it's so horrible that I said almost surely and it's making me mad because lots of people in my life hate that I use these words and RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
And in her most recent post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697651.html#msg697651) her point about "drving a case on you (Elizabeth) since DAY ONE" is less impressive than she thinks since it had at that point grown stale and it just now got restated and felt reactionary.
She hadn't posted in forever. As soon as she did I jumped on her again. I never stopped jumping on her. Can cases on someone not keep being cases if the person disappears into oblivion for awhile? Jesus.
I have another post coming too, but when I saw I was cut by this load of steaming misreppy bullcrap I had to make a whole 'nother post in response to it.
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As for picked up the slack, I disagree. Actually, there's one thing I really want her to answer, in light of her reaction.So are you or are you not claiming to be the voteblocker, Mean Scum Girl? No takebacks. If you're not, we'd like to know what it is about a missing vote on someone you're no longer voting as scum makes you burst into hysterical laughter for. This kind of blatant reaction is horrible no matter the answer to the question.
Hi more rolefishing! If you want an answer so much, no, it's not me. And it makes me burst into laughter because Bathory is horribly scummy, and then trying to vote me (whom I know is town), only to find that she can't. I don't know, maybe it's not very funny to anyone because they aren't me, but I see it and it's just like, nope.avi and AHAH-okay I'll stop now.
>someone you're no longer voting as scum
Hi, I've made it very clear I still very much want Bathory dead. Unfortunately, I only have one vote, so too bad so sad! If town wants more to kill Bathory over you at the end of the day, I will happily switch to her.
Supposely I was a suspect for her, with Pamela following, when Youmu started getting hammered, she switched over.
Night 2 happened. We got three new flips. I reread the game. I changed my mind. This is a thing that happens! Note how in my first post of D3 my stance on you was "undecided", and then after you posted again I started liking you a little. This wasn't some strange sudden flip of opinion.
I suppose your point about my vote action is pretty valid. Man, it sorta sucks to want to vote two people who are both very possible lynch targets.
By the way, I really don't understand at all how Remi's D1 post was contradictory. She says now she had a strong town read on me D1. Her D1 post says she was leaning town on "everyone else", which includes me. I don't see a contradiction here. Are you being nitpicky that she didn't decide to specifically point me out as being really town among the townish group?
Bog:Youmu isn't worse then Bathory. They're both horrible. One thing worth considering though is that Bathory is utterly horrible and Youmu... well, isn't UTTERLY HORRIBLE, I guess. If we don't lynch Bathory today I'm positive we'll get her lynched tomorrow, I can't say the exact same about Youmu. But really, I don't care much which order we lynch them in, as long as they're lynched. Really really scummy and really scummy are still both scummy and both need to die.
After all this typing, I am completely burnt out on mafia for the present. I can't do any more right now. See you in a few hours or maybe tomorrow. Yes I will be back before deadline even if I'm not back until tomorrow.
I suppose I should keep in mind where my vote is, however, since it IS getting close to deadline and I'll likely be gone for a significant amount of time. Not including my vote, there is 1 on Youmu, and 2 on Bathory (Also 2 on Pamela but Bathory is soooo much worse I don't even). So in the interest of getting a lynch on Bathory or Youmu,
##Unvote ##Vote Elizabeth Bathory
also lol bathory saying Munak (whom has been unanimously declared town until this moment) is scum without providing a slightest ounce of reasoning why other then looking at who's voting who
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*Stomach growling*Master, just because we don't have to rest doesn't mean that we don't need to feed.
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Munak likes the plethora of assumptions that lady Bathory makes in order to 「nail」 her 3 scum.
Munak notes lady Bathory's wonderful case on Munak.
Oh. Wait. What case? Keep trying, scum.
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I'm feeling quite plump. I actually didn't think I could still get plump...
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##Unvote
##Vote Elizabeth Bathory
Munak still thinks that miss Pamela is scum but there's only a day left and it seems that people are more likely to go for lady Bathory than miss Pamela.
And Munak wants Munak's lynches.
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^ Look at those scum flail!
In succession, 2 of the 3 scum I labelled hop onto me.
Confirmed. It's done. Munak/Ghost/Remila for the scum team.
Kukaku, please to be moving your vote back to Ghost please.
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Hi more rolefishing! If you want an answer so much, no, it's not me. And it makes me burst into laughter because Bathory is horribly scummy, and then trying to vote me (whom I know is town), only to find that she can't. I don't know, maybe it's not very funny to anyone because they aren't me, but I see it and it's just like, nope.avi and AHAH-okay I'll stop now.
>someone you're no longer voting as scum
Hi, I've made it very clear I still very much want Bathory dead. Unfortunately, I only have one vote, so too bad so sad! If town wants more to kill Bathory over you at the end of the day, I will happily switch to her.
Night 2 happened. We got three new flips. I reread the game. I changed my mind. This is a thing that happens! Note how in my first post of D3 my stance on you was "undecided", and then after you posted again I started liking you a little. This wasn't some strange sudden flip of opinion.
I suppose your point about my vote action is pretty valid. Man, it sorta sucks to want to vote two people who are both very possible lynch targets.
By the way, I really don't understand at all how Remi's D1 post was contradictory. She says now she had a strong town read on me D1. Her D1 post says she was leaning town on "everyone else", which includes me. I don't see a contradiction here. Are you being nitpicky that she didn't decide to specifically point me out as being really town among the townish group?
Bog:Youmu isn't worse then Bathory. They're both horrible. One thing worth considering though is that Bathory is utterly horrible and Youmu... well, isn't UTTERLY HORRIBLE, I guess. If we don't lynch Bathory today I'm positive we'll get her lynched tomorrow, I can't say the exact same about Youmu. But really, I don't care much which order we lynch them in, as long as they're lynched. Really really scummy and really scummy are still both scummy and both need to die.
After all this typing, I am completely burnt out on mafia for the present. I can't do any more right now. See you in a few hours or maybe tomorrow. Yes I will be back before deadline even if I'm not back until tomorrow.
I suppose I should keep in mind where my vote is, however, since it IS getting close to deadline and I'll likely be gone for a significant amount of time. Not including my vote, there is 1 on Youmu, and 2 on Bathory (Also 2 on Pamela but Bathory is soooo much worse I don't even). So in the interest of getting a lynch on Bathory or Youmu,
##Unvote ##Vote Elizabeth Bathory
also lol bathory saying Munak (whom has been unanimously declared town until this moment) is scum without providing a slightest ounce of reasoning why other then looking at who's voting who
The bolded confirms it.
The way people vote is actual a GREAT way to figure out scum, because scum can't deny their votes and it shows their intent.
Further, your defense of Munak is noted.
Further, I'm scum because Munak is "unanimously town"? Are you mad about losing your ace in the hole scummate with the town read on them? Sorry, I'm here to crush dreams.
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And Ghosts reason for why she wants me dead over Pamela is that I'm "So Much Worse".
In other words, Pamela is an easy mislynch for her, and I have the scum down.
She wants me dead first because I'm a THREAT.
Lynch Ghost with Fire.
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Master, what do you say we go visit the graveyard?
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Munak likes lady Bathory's blatant misrep.
Munak notes how lady Bathory attempts to make it seem as though Munak's vote was a complete OMGUS.
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Master, why walk when we can hop?
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The way people vote is actual a GREAT way to figure out scum, because scum can't deny their votes and it shows their intent.
Munak wonders what intent lady Bathory is searching for, anyway.
Has lady Bathory even been paying ANY attention at all to Munak throughout the ENTIRE game?
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Hopping is great exercise, isn't it master?
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Munak would like to note that lady Bathory's vote count 「analysis」 had no analysis at all.
Lady Bathory's vote count 「analysis」 was pretty much lady Bathory to giving reads/place suspicion on people with no reasoning whatsoever, whilst trying to make it look as though lady Bathory had some wonderful reasoning for her reads..
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I would like to note Munak's blatant attempts at discrediting me, and trying to deflect my arguments with "lol misrep".
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Bathory is...
wat.
WHAT.
What the hell are you even saying?
Pamela and Youmu are NOT viable lynches, AS THEY ARE BOTH TOWN.
Now stop goofing around and get on the Ghost wagon. She's scum.
No more of this. The only players that can know for a fact the alignment of Youmu and Pamela are the players themselves and scum.
If you're going to blanket claim players town, you better have a darn good reason. I don't like how both you and Youmu have pushed "she/he is town, and therefore not scum" posts. It's at best incredibly frustrating and a manner of playing which eliminates players that may yet flip scum from consideration, and at worst scummy. Furthermore, your case on the meanie is:
Youmu Konpaku (3) - Bogmire, Sid Barett, Mean Ghost Girl
Elizabeth Bathory (2) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet
Youmu and I are both town. I don't think there are 2 scum on either of these wagons, but there's certainly one on each.
Reg Shoe is terribad town, hence Remila scum.
Bogmire is TOWNNNNNNNNNN~
and Sid's posting has be town with a few minor flaws.
So Ghostgirl is scum.
We are not lynching mean ghost girl because of process of elimination, without any actual case. Much like I asked Youmu, I request that you make a clear case on Mean Ghost Girl that examines her posting history for scummy behavior, and consolidates the reasons you think she is scummy into a single post.
However, I would also be interested in why you think Munak is scum. Frankly, I haven't been getting any scummy vibes from her, and I would be very interested in seeing that case. That's why I have trouble taking Ghost Girl's "defense" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg698239.html#msg698239) of Munak as evidence against Ghost - I don't see the case on Munak.
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Welp.
Bathory, Mean Ghost Girl, we have about 18 hours left in the day, so it's about time for the two of you to claim. I'm saying it now because if you get this message in six hours, it'll give town twelve hours to make a decision.
I'm going to say right now that I think Bathory is the worse player; however, I'm having a very hard time deciding if it's scum bad. The head says "scum, KILL WITH FIRE" while the gut says "look again, could be town", if you know what I mean. Whereas for Mean Ghost Girl, I can kind of see where she's coming from today. I'm not saying her actions are "town" per-se, but I can see the townie reasoning behind going after the "cases are bad" players today. If I had to pick right now without the role claims I would probably go for Bathory. Still, the role claims would help immensely in town's, and my own, decision.
Also, Munak, you forgot to bold your vote.
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I can call my town reads town all I want thank you~.
And I'm not claiming yet. Soz.
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And Bogmire, if you lynch me, when I flip town, I'll be expecting you to sheep your vote to a more competent player. Someone like Youmu. ^-^
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were doin it Youmu were making it hapen \(*^.^*)/
Myon has the bottle RIGHT HERE just in case for the end of the day! Remember, every vote for Not-Meanie is a vote for drunken oblivion! Please, think of the children!
Mean Scum Girl basing her town/scum reads on 'everyone else thinks they're X' is nothing new. Youmu is scum because everyone thinks she's scum! Munak is town because everyone thinks she's town! Would you like to buy the ability to read people like a townie does, Mean Scum Girl?
Bathory, you're confusing me. I think you're doing VCA wrong and Youmu agrees. You can't just take middle of the day votecounts and make assumptions on it, like 'there is only one scum on each wagon' to find all the scum. Especially when Mean Scum Girl an evil dead hasn't flipped yet. We've already said before here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697258.html#msg697258) why we think Ayumu is town, do you disagree with us? I agree there's something awful about Remilia's 'Mean Ghost Girl is town but getting worse but she's town' post. Munak is somewhere out of left field though. There has to be more scum intent then just wanting you dead.
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were doin it Youmu were making it hapen \(*^.^*)/
Myon has the bottle RIGHT HERE just in case for the end of the day! Remember, every vote for Not-Meanie is a vote for drunken oblivion! Please, think of the children!
Mean Scum Girl basing her town/scum reads on 'everyone else thinks they're X' is nothing new. Youmu is scum because everyone thinks she's scum! Munak is town because everyone thinks she's town! Would you like to buy the ability to read people like a townie does, Mean Scum Girl?
Bathory, you're confusing me. I think you're doing VCA wrong and Youmu agrees. You can't just take middle of the day votecounts and make assumptions on it, like 'there is only one scum on each wagon' to find all the scum. Especially when Mean Scum Girl an evil dead hasn't flipped yet. We've already said before here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697258.html#msg697258) why we think Ayumu is town, do you disagree with us? I agree there's something awful about Remilia's 'Mean Ghost Girl is town but getting worse but she's town' post. Munak is somewhere out of left field though. There has to be more scum intent then just wanting you dead.
My VCA isn't wrong. It was actually taken in the perfect place. The votes were SO spread out, with no main wagons. there would be no more than 1 scum on a wagon. Combined with my reads going into it, it gave me the third scum.
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Oh, and Ayumu is town.
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I can call my town reads town all I want thank you~.
And I'm not claiming yet. Soz.
I would appreciate it if you would share the reasons for your town reads. The less town can get into your head the more likely it will lynch you in the next 18 hours, and do so WITHOUT vital information about which players are town, leading to possible future mislynches. This is especially true about Youmu and Pamela, both of which are potential lynches and both of which you have declared town. For their sake and the sake of town, it would probably be best to tell town why you think they are town.
If nothing else, I'd still like to see cases on Mean Ghost Girl and Munak, if it's alright. I'm very interested in your reasoning for thinking Munak is scummy, since I'm not sure anyone else shares that sentiment.
In addition, you are at L-2 (or at least, Munak tried to put you there, we haven't had a recent vote count). Unless there is a specific, role related reason not to tell town your role, it's a good idea to give town a minimum 12 hours to digest your role claim so that it can come to a decision and maybe reach a new, completely different lynch. Since today has become you and Mean Ghost Girl, the additional time would be in town's favor so that if we do believe your claim, we have that much more time to organize a new wagon.
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I don't explain town reads. Doing that is anti-town. Sorry.
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I don't explain town reads. Doing that is anti-town. Sorry.
*Sigh*
IT'S NOT ANTI-TOWN IF IT SAVES THEM FROM A LYNCH.
Forget it. I care, but I won't get anywhere anyway. Please tell me if you have reasons for suspecting Munak and Mean Ghost Girl besides vote count analysis.
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*Sigh*
IT'S NOT ANTI-TOWN IF IT SAVES THEM FROM A LYNCH.
Forget it. I care, but I won't get anywhere anyway. Please tell me if you have reasons for suspecting Munak and Mean Ghost Girl besides vote count analysis.
I have reasons~! I believe I've posted quite a few of them.
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I have reasons~! I believe I've posted quite a few of them.
Refresh my memory.
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Perhaps. Youmu is of the VCA school that you can only do solid VCA with a flipped scum, something we're sorely lacking right now. At this point I don't think it's unreasonable to look more into Remilia and Munak. This is kind of exactly what I expect out of Munak.
We do think it's better to stop the wild goose chase for town reads though. It's better to come to your own conclusions about that.
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Elizabeth Bathory (4) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet, Mean Ghost Girl, Munak
Mean Ghost Girl (4) - Youmu Konpaku, Elizabeth Bathory, Kukaku Shiba, Sid Barett, Ayumu Aikawa
Sid Barett (1) - Pamela Ibis
Youmu Konpaku (1) - Bogmire
Not voting: None!
You have 17 hours left in the day. With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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Huh What - You have Munak voting twice. Is that a mistake?
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I forgot to remove Pamela's wagon from the votecount. Yes, it was a mistake.
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As you guys should know, I have been sick lately. So I haven't been keeping up to scratch as well as most of you. I'm a bit better now though.
First of all, I too think MGG and Bathory should claim very soon. But one question first (directed at everyone).
If Bathory's vote hadn't been blocked, do you think MGG would've been hammered already?
Also, someone (can't remember who) mentioned MGG avoiding wagons, how exactly was she avoiding them? Was it with her votes or her posts?
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Vote: Mean Ghost Girl
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I take it that Kukaku thinks so.
If not, follow your next post with an unvote.
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Wait, vote me instead of an unvote if you think not.
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If you hadn't noticed, Kukaku never unvoted her, meaning his vote has been on Mean Scum Girl the entire time. I'm not an expert in ghostology, but we can infer that voting for someone means he thinks they're evil dead. Let's not talk about Kukaku though. What do -YOU- think? And no, I imagine people would be very upset if Mean Scum Girl were hammered with so many hours remaining in the day, it's a silly question and hardly important.
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I think she would stay at L-1 till she claimed, and if people thought it was bad enough then we would've hammered.
Also, can you answer this Youmu?
Also, someone (can't remember who) mentioned MGG avoiding wagons, how exactly was she avoiding them? Was it with her votes or her posts?
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You can only avoid a wagon with your votes. It's not hard for you to go look back over Meanie's voting history to see what I mean.
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Should I quote my role pm while I'm at it?
it's been forever since anyone had to make screenshotting illegal, I'm not stupid enough to start that up again.
It either you show us something that's hard to (but not impossible) to fake or we simply have to lynch you for the information. I haven't been finding you outright scummy like Elizabeth, so I'd rather lynch people for being scum than for information at this point.
Considering Mean Scum Girl has been tunneling on her since Day 1 and started today making a wagon on her, I highly doubt they could be conjoined scum zombie twins. That would require some kind of insane superbussing instinct the likes of which only potatos can dream.
I don't think superbussing is a worthwhile gambit. But I have to admit that Affinity has shown it to work tremendously well. The last game that Elizabeth was scum in had her go the superbussing route. I take this into account when rereading her interactions, hence I won't rule out Mean Ghost being a possible buddy.
I can't see Elizabeth's posts for how devoid of content they are. Just about everything is something I can figure out on my own with a reread. Same as before, zero explanation and zero backing with sense instead of vitriol. As for me being wrong, I'll admit I'm wrong when Elizabeth flips town or someone can put out a provable claim of the same.
Can't answer that.
@mod: Why not? Just give us a definite answer of yes or no. Obvscum mod.
I would like to note Munak's blatant attempts at discrediting me, and trying to deflect my arguments with "lol misrep".
Why are you trying to discredit legitimate facts? You've posted nothing and you get called for it. That happens to be the scumhunting you haven't done at all.
Myon has the bottle RIGHT HERE just in case for the end of the day! Remember, every vote for Not-Meanie is a vote for drunken oblivion! Please, think of the children!
Why is Elizabeth not worth lynching today?
I don't explain town reads. Doing that is anti-town. Sorry.
Surely you can explain why Munak is scum even if you don't want to make your buddies more obvious.
Mean Ghost has been very forgettable to me all along. The recent interest in her prompts a reread.
Ayumu is still likely town, but we'll see how her new player does. Ditto for Bogmire, except that he's more likely scum. Remi is still derptown. Sid I'm still a bit undecided about. And Bathory is still totally scum. I guess Munak is town, but my brain just doesn't work on her posting style.
I forget if I ever asked you to explain these. Do so now. The lack of Youmu being mentioned suggests that jump leeway Sid called out. If there's scum between Mean Ghost, Elizabeth and Youmu, this reads to me as the startup to a big gambit.
Count was so town and no one suspected him as scum (Unless my memory fails me). Necro was suspected, highly wanted dead by many, and very nearly was the lynch. Which one makes complete sense as a scum nightkill and no sense as a vig, and which one makes complete sense as a vig and no sense as a scum nightkill?
I could go more indepth and cover situations where they might be an SK but there's not really much point and it still leads to about the same conclusion. Necro -could- sorta make sense if scum knew he was a doc, but given how much suspicion there was... plus that means Count would need to be an SK kill and that n1 one of the kills was doc'd and dear god there's no reason to go into these theories so I'm just gonna stop now >_>;
Requoting this because I can't get over how waffle this post is. My reread is biasing it as scummy waffle now.
Mean Ghost's vote switch to Youmu brought Elizabeth's wagon to equal Youmu's. This move makes me believe in bussing going on even more. The three of them have become very interesting and I wouldn't be surprised if there were two scum in there. Ayumu's vote takes Mean Ghost ahead. Mean Ghost's vote on Youmu leaves the wagons at 2 apiece for Elizabeth and Youmu. So her switch back to Elizabeth is her only move to try get another equalizer and save herself.
Mean Ghost's leadup to voting Youmu didn't feel genuine. The posts said suspicious, not scummy. This late in the game, the vote reason looked more like a prod than anything else. The wording variance indicates to me how strongly you believe in your case. In Mean Ghost's case, not very much. The Elizabeth switch doesn't have the intent to lynch scum, but to comply with town needing a lynch. While I will appreciate getting an Elizabeth lynch, Mean Ghost's support for it means nothing to me.
Sid's catch on Mean Ghost's post where she leaves herself an out is a nice one I agree with. Ayumu's case is solid too. A Mean Ghost lynch entertains my theory of a bussing play. I will need a separate reread to think about Youmu's vote but I doubt I can post it before a lynch will happen.
Pamela and Bogmire need to come in and pick a side. L-1 is not scary and is what Bogmire should have done if he wants a claim.
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You can only avoid a wagon with your votes. It's not hard for you to go look back over Meanie's voting history to see what I mean.
I thought so, I was just making sure.
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##Vote:Reg Shoe
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eleven and twelve
have me wary. I trust the
neighbors know queen's claim
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What a good haiku Count. I was waiting for one.
Now to try and translate it (assuming it's a clue).
Reg Shoe and Remilia Scarlet
have me wary. I trust the
neighbours(Youmu and Pamela?) know the queen's (Bathory?) claim.
So he is suspicious of Shoe and I, and thinks that Pamela and Youmu know what Bathory's claim is.
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Don't leave me behind master! *tearful eyes*
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Munak wonders what lady Bathory would taste like.
Hungarian nobles are the type of people you're allowed to eat, right?
Munak stands firm in her belief that lady Bathory and miss Pamela are scum and would like to see lady Bathory lynched today.
Speaking of which, unless Munak is mistaken, the deadline is approaching.
Votes, preferably on lady Bathory, please.
Munak has finally gotten around to doing some (extremely rushed) rereads!
Munak said that Munak would give a reread on Mr. Barett.
Mr. Barett's D1 looks to Munak like a lot of nitpicking and calling people out for bad play rather than proper scumhunting.
Munak, however, believes that Mr. Barett is unlikely to be aligned with the scum.
Munak also promised a reread on Mean Ghost Girl due to all the attention that Mean Ghost Girl is getting.
Mean Ghost Girl's content looks rather lackluster to Munak, Munak will reevaluate this when Munak has time.
Munak notes that miss Youmu has no excuse for her abject hatred of Kukaku Shiba other than 「derp」.
This is kind of exactly what I expect out of Munak.
Munak is curious about what this statement meant.
Could miss Youmu please clarify for Munak so that Munak can understand?
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I hope that's not what he meant, because if she has one I don't know it. ^^;
I don't think superbussing is a worthwhile gambit. But I have to admit that Affinity has shown it to work tremendously well. The last game that Elizabeth was scum in had her go the superbussing route. I take this into account when rereading her interactions, hence I won't rule out Mean Ghost being a possible buddy.
Why is Elizabeth not worth lynching today?
I really don't know about this. So you're saying Mean Scum Girl could have opened the day looking to superbus Bathory, switched to me because I was becoming viable, had Bathory give her struck-out support to me, then switched back to her partner when she realized the switch backfired? I.. guess it's possible. I'll have to ask Youmu about it. (Youmu should be around before lynch \^_^/ )
Could miss Youmu please clarify for Munak so that Munak can understand?
It means your attitude and actions, mostly the fanatical chasing down of your suspect with disregard to what anyone else wants, is what I expect out of a good jagaimo shi like yourself. Even if I'm pretty sure you're wrong on at least one of those.
It's nap time for good Myons to recharge their bombs but I will wake up before the lynch for real! I hope :ohdear:
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May I ask why it's 5 hours to deadline, we have two wagons at L-2, and NO ONE HAS POSTED FOR THE PAST 5 HOURS!?
Do you all ENJOY No Lynch? Do you get off on not having a majority? Because, seriously, this is the most inactive, least organized, pathetic town I have ever been ashamed to be a part of. GET IN HERE!
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##Vote: Pamela Ibis
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Kukaku, can you set your vote on one of the tops two wagons? Whichever one you prefer.
BTW, notice that no one has claimed to have stolen my vote? Wanna know why? Scum did it.
I mean, I should be OBVIOUS TOWN based on that fact ALONE.
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I don't enjoy no lynch so you should all vote the ghostie.
And I am still able to go to a Pamela.
And I would like to request moar votecounts as the day comes closer to an end.
And oh gracious no one has fucking claimed yet so this day ending looks like it will be a train wreck.
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Pamela is not being lynched today.
Now that we have that out of the way, I'd love it if Shiba would stop acting like scum despite having flipped town and vote Mean Ghost Girl.
Bathory, your argument is flawed because it's entirely possible you're on the scumteam and asked to be vote blocked for town cred. Not saying it's likely, and I feel there are other reasons to think you town, just I kind of hate how you're parading around your "confirmed town" status like that. That sort of thing always rings alarm bells to me.
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EBWOP: Oh, you said Obvious Town. Still kind of silly.
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Vote Count - Effort Edition
Elizabeth Bathory (4) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet, Mean Ghost Girl, Munak
Mean Ghost Girl (4) - Youmu Konpaku, Elizabeth Bathory, Kukaku Shiba, Sid Barett, Ayumu Aikawa
Sid Barett (1) - Pamela Ibis
Youmu Konpaku (1) - Bogmire
Not voting: None!
You have 5 hours remaining. With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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##Vote:Pamela Ibis
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EBWOP: Oh, you said Obvious Town. Still kind of silly.
Well, yes there is still a chance. BUT, why would scum risk it when I'm a clear suspect this day?
I mean, I know I'm a insane scum. I'll do just about ANYTHING. But even I don't like removing my vote from play, as town or scum. I'd never willingly give it up, even for the wifom.
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Oh hey, Shoe's being the useless town that I thought he was. It's ok honey, admitting you're wrong is the first step~.
@Sid: Mind explaining why that's scummy? I had Youmu pegged as scum based upon interactions with Kukaku. Otherwise, I haven't seen much pointing to Youmu scum. When I was wrong about Kukaku, I changed my read. Where is the scum intent there?
However, I'm glad you're town. Remila is scummy too, I agree.
However, you're being stupid again. Why is not trusting someone you believe to be town scummy? I think you're town and wrong about me being scum. So should I just vote myself because you think I'm scum and I think you're town? There is such a thing as ~wrong town~.
Hm...I concede. I still do not like how you come up with theories before the flip even shows.
What is there to say? We are pretty much all just waiting for atleast one person to be lynched so we can learn a flip.
Although I must ask, Who Is Your Anon Pamela?
You said something about revealing "Her" if asked, which no one has bothered to do.
@Remilia: Should I be alarmed at the number of times you asked Kukaku to specifically vote you?
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>looks at how no one is voting Pamela
Ah good reason.
So Bogmire and Pamela need to get in here and pick one of the wagons. Like now.
And anytime you're ready, we would appreciate claims. Mostly Ghost but Elizabeth is a viable lynch at this point too.
And Kukaku, I take it you still think Pamela is scum and don't want us to disregard her?
Vote her again for yes
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Bathory is just arg, and I want to kill her with fire and then throw the ashes into the sun. I am very happy with that lynch, but I'm still a little worried that this is just terrible, terrible town, and the lack of content she's putting up in response to my inquiries is not helping. I don't want to put anyone at L-1 until I hear a claim from at least one of them because I really, really hate Mean Ghost Girl's lack of presence at this time, but if given absolutely nothing else I do want Bathory more dead.
From Mean Ghost Girl, I expect a claim before deadline or at minimum a presence.
From Bathory, I expected a claim several hours ago, and I want that plus a better explanation for why she thinks Munak is scum, and a better explanation for why Mean Ghost Girl is scum.
Frankly, I assumed and still think it is likely that the player that blocked Bathory is town, because they decided to block Bathory of all players. Perhaps not the best town move, but it feels like a "Bathory is scum. BLOCK HER!" mentality largely due to the fact that it was Bathory, as opposed to, say, Munak.
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Bathory is just arg, and I want to kill her with fire and then throw the ashes into the sun. I am very happy with that lynch, but I'm still a little worried that this is just terrible, terrible town, and the lack of content she's putting up in response to my inquiries is not helping. I don't want to put anyone at L-1 until I hear a claim from at least one of them because I really, really hate Mean Ghost Girl's lack of presence at this time, but if given absolutely nothing else I do want Bathory more dead.
From Mean Ghost Girl, I expect a claim before deadline or at minimum a presence.
From Bathory, I expected a claim several hours ago, and I want that plus a better explanation for why she thinks Munak is scum, and a better explanation for why Mean Ghost Girl is scum.
Frankly, I assumed and still think it is likely that the player that blocked Bathory is town, because they decided to block Bathory of all players. Perhaps not the best town move, but it feels like a "Bathory is scum. BLOCK HER!" mentality largely due to the fact that it was Bathory, as opposed to, say, Munak.
Oh look, the terribad town is calling ME bad.
:roll:
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Bogmire, if town had blocked me, THEY WOULD HAVE CLAIMED IT WHEN ASKED.
No one did.
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(Vote removal is an inherently anti-town power just FYI, and should be claimed on use.)
So either, you're suggesting as Youmu did that Scum blocked another scum....
Or I'm town.
^-^
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That last part from Bog is a whole mess of wifom and we should stay away from that.
And it's not good to create a hostile environment for town, regardless of how you think they are playing. So can ya tone that down a bit please? Thanks.
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Sorry.
Bathory, you think Munak is scum, and you think Mean Ghost Girl is scum. If you have a case on them that does not rely on the assumption that other players are town/scum but rather takes their actions by themselves, please make such a case. I would be very interested in these cases from you.
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I wanted to wait until GG Showed up and talked more, but I don't think that'd be feasible anymore.
I started up a quicktopic with GG last night, since Youmu expressed a lot of worry over her before she was (not) Killed over the night.
Aside from disagreeing with my read on Elizabeth (I said that even though she was bad, she wasn't scum bad, and GG was all like "But she's bad bad!" she doesn't seem to give me a solid read on anyone in the quicktopic. She also doesn't really do anything that I could respond to or bounce off naturally (half agrees to some things, or doesn't even comment.) And she hasn't been on since the last time I tried to poke conversation with her. Basically, our quicktopic is ten posts long and only contains one read.
I don't think Lizzy has a chance of flipping scum (being such a good myslynch) and I'm not impressed with GG's content at all, like I was with Youmu's, so between the two I'd rather be voting Beat, gum, and Tab MGG.
##Unvote: Sid
##Vote: Mean ghost Girl (L-1)
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Vote Count - Jet Set Radio Is Still Goddamned Awesome Edition
Elizabeth Bathory (4) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet, Mean Ghost Girl, Munak
Mean Ghost Girl (5) - Youmu Konpaku, Elizabeth Bathory, Kukaku Shiba, Sid Barett, Ayumu Aikawa, Pamela Ibis
Youmu Konpaku (1) - Bogmire
MGG is at L-1.
Not voting: None!
You have 3.5 hours remaining. With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
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Youmu, Kukaku is dead, stop yelling at him. :ohdear: You're silly, notice how his vote hasn't moved? It's not a mod error, he hasn't been unvoting.
Bogmire, you've got it backwards. You don't wait for a claim to put someone to L-1, traditionally putting someone to L-1 is when they should claim. It's time to ~commit~. No more waffling, you gotta fight for your right to be TOOOOOWNIE!
Pamela ;-; I think you better tell us anything MGG said on any of the other restless dead now, no matter the color we'll want to know when she FINGERS CROSSED flips! It is relevant to our interests.
Who is Mean Ghost Girl? I don't see anyone posting by that name! Clearly they are above the need for talking to us. Seriously it's worrying that neither of our possible lynches are willing to grace us with a claim and it brings back bad memories from games past.
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MGG's Stances as she posted them:
Lizzy is lurking and misrepping
She can't even read Munak's posts (I don't think they're that confusing, but eh)
She was suspicious of Me and Youmu's love for each other, but didn't expand. Last she said, she couldn't decide on whether to believe I'm town or not.
She made a reference to Sid (who was my top pick when I posted reads on everyone in the QT) but all she said was that "I might be right."
Like I said, I lefts a few questions in the thread last night trying to extract more reads from her, but she hasn't been on since then so I don't know what's going on in her mind beyond this.
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Alright, let's get down to business.
Bathory is terrible, and I mean TERRIBLE. She's been using flimsy votecount analysis that isn't really analysis, refuses to roleclaim in the face of a lynch, and refuses to elaborate on her cases, usually simply leaving the discussion outright rather than explaining things like her Munak read. The only reason I'm not voting for her is that my gut keeps screaming "not scum" largely due to the way she outright refuses to play along with town, so I would like to ask Pamela and Youmu why they think Mean Ghost Girl is worse than Bathory. Note: not why Mean Ghost Girl is bad, just why she's more likely to be scum than Bathory specifically.
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Well, mostly because the things you find bad about Bathory actually aren't. You're trying to punish bad play, not scummy play. And I get the feeling it's kind of intentional given how you're hedging your bets.
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Well, mostly because the things you find bad about Bathory actually aren't. You're trying to punish bad play, not scummy play. And I get the feeling it's kind of intentional given how you're hedging your bets.
It's not even like my play is bad~.
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It's not even like my play is bad~.
*sigh*
I'm sorry Bathory, but it really is as bad as I can imagine. And I would love to kill you for it. But that would be wrong.
The first step is to admit that your play is unacceptable, so that you can improve in the future. ANYWAY.
@Youmu - how is her bad play simply bad and not scummy? What makes refusing to argue cases and being so darn obstinate in the face of a lynch anything other than scummy? What makes this different from a scum player simply imploding on herself?
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I've actually had Bogmire as town... but he's being purposefully obtuse here, and the way he's posting about how he has "a twitch that I could flip town" speaks kinda like Mafia wanting to keep their hands clean from a mislynch.
Youmu, what do you think of Munak vs. Bogmire in terms of scum?
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I've actually had Bogmire as town... but he's being purposefully obtuse here, and the way he's posting about how he has "a twitch that I could flip town" speaks kinda like Mafia wanting to keep their hands clean from a mislynch.
Youmu, what do you think of Munak vs. Bogmire in terms of scum?
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK OF MUNAK IN TERMS OF SCUM?
I do not understand your vendetta against the player. I've been asking you about it for nearly 24 hours already.
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@Youmu - how is her bad play simply bad and not scummy? What makes refusing to argue cases and being so darn obstinate in the face of a lynch anything other than scummy? What makes this different from a scum player simply imploding on herself?
How is her play scummy and not simply bad? What makes you think Scum would set foot into the topic without cases detailed to heck and back because they don't have any other way of pushing myslynches? What makes this different from a townie just shouting whatever she feels is the truth?
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*sigh*
I'm sorry Bathory, but it really is as bad as I can imagine. And I would love to kill you for it. But that would be wrong.
The first step is to admit that your play is unacceptable, so that you can improve in the future. ANYWAY.
@Youmu - how is her bad play simply bad and not scummy? What makes refusing to argue cases and being so darn obstinate in the face of a lynch anything other than scummy? What makes this different from a scum player simply imploding on herself?
Really now? It's that bad? Clearly you're not that experienced in the terms of Mafia, because I know exactly what I'm doing ^-^.
I have 3 solid (now potentially 4 because that last post was full of HMM and HAW up the ying yang) scum reads, and at least 3 solid town reads, if not more.
Just because I'm not going to outline every detail of my reads for you, doesn't mean that I'm bad. Infact, the mere suggestion of such shows how badly you want to discredit my reads. Is it possible that I have 2/3 scum pegged, and you're the third? You're trying to discredit me so that your scum buddies won't be feeling the heat if you manage to lynch me and I flip town?
It's interesting, because now I have to go back and remember why I had a town read on you again, because this isn't townie posting... this is desperate scum, who is also trying to keep his hands clean.
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WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK OF MUNAK IN TERMS OF SCUM?
I do not understand your vendetta against the player. I've been asking you about it for nearly 24 hours already.
Process of Elimination.
It's a wonderful technique. See, if I can get town reads on players, I can eliminate them from the "here be scum" pool.
As the pool shrinks, so do the number of potential scum.
Eventually, I ran out of people who I didn't have town reads on, and Munak was what remained.
But of course, you're quickly falling from grace, so I need to rethink you.
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How is her play scummy and not simply bad? What makes you think Scum would set foot into the topic without cases detailed to heck and back because they don't have any other way of pushing myslynches? What makes this different from a townie just shouting whatever she feels is the truth?
Well, truth be told, I've seen lots of scum push cases on obviously weak or fallacious reasoning. It's scummy because she doesn't have anything to back up her cases whatsoever, so she's just turned to going off of weak or fallacious reads so as to try to convince town that she's town and thus dodge a lynch, when in reality she has nothing.
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EBWOP: Which means I'm less sure about Munak now than I was before.
I mean, here's my town reads.
Youmu
Reg
Sid
Pamela
Ayumu
Myself
Here are my scum reads:
Ghost
Remila
Here's who's left:
Bogmire
Munak
So, because I'm confident in all my town reads, the remaining scum must lay in my scum/null reads. ^-^
Until recently, You were a town read Bogmire, but Youmu is ABSOLUTELY right about your posts hedging your bets to look good.
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That is unacceptable. I have absolutely no faith in your reads, and I see no backing for any of them.
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Hell, I'll even order my town reads in order of strength for you:
Myself
Pamela
Youmu
Ayumu
Reg
Sid
And I mean, Reg/Ayumu/Sid are all pretty damn close together, and far behind Youmu and Pamela.
I know what my reads are, are YOUR reads this developed Bogmire? I haven't seen much except that you think I'm bad. Who's scum Bogmire? Who's town Bogmire? Lets go, chop chop.
Oh, you don't like that either? Well, until you give your full set of reads you've given less than I have~
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I congratulate you on stating more plainly what I was implying in my last post.
Munak, not sure yet. I'd have to reread her and that AWFUL POST FORMATTING. Myon suffers through Munak's posts and feels tunnely town on her. We'll discuss it more at length when I'm not running a DnD game. Bog is p. much scum unless MGG somehow flips town. Which, uh, won't happen.
Holy shit cut 6 7 EIGHT times by uninterestingness besides Pamela being awesome.
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That is unacceptable. I have absolutely no faith in your reads, and I see no backing for any of them.
You don't need to see the backing, sweetie. It's there for me.
I have faith in my reads, and if I need to push harder, I'll provide as I need to. I believe we discussed the "cases are scummy" thing earlier correct? This is a situation where a wall of text outlining point after point is not the be all end all of reads.
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I congratulate you on stating more plainly what I was implying in my last post.
Munak, not sure yet. I'd have to reread her and that AWFUL POST FORMATTING. Myon suffers through Munak's posts and feels tunnely town on her. We'll discuss it more at length when I'm not running a DnD game. Bog is p. much scum unless MGG somehow flips town. Which, uh, won't happen.
Holy shit cut 6 7 EIGHT times by uninterestingness besides Pamela being awesome.
To be quite honest, I wouldn't even be explaining this if I wasn't at L-2. I'm happy with my current reads, and GhostScum needs to die. If we could stop messing around and lynch her now, that'd be fine by me.
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...If we don't lynch soon I swear we are going to run out of time.
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The vote count, she remains unchanged. You have 1.5 hours to lynch.
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Quick read list?
Bogmire is town (obviously)
Munak is town
Pamela is town
Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet Ayumu Aikawa, and Sid Barrett are all fairly neutral, but Sid Barrett strikes me as the towniest of them
Mean Ghost Girl is suspicious
Youmu is probably scum
Bathory is very SOMETHING
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I agree.
Bogmire, why don't you save us the trouble and bus your buddy MGG for us? Try and get some town cred while you still can. ^-^
Cut by Bogmire claiming scum with his reads. Youmu is scum... with MGG? WUT?
YEAH LOLNO.
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Seriously dude, that soft distancing from MGG isn't getting you anywhere.
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KYAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OH GOD BOGMIRE, THAT WAS HILARIOUS. That's SO FUCKING...WHAT.
I...I can hardly breathe I'm laughing so hard.
Checkmate Bog scum.
##Unvote
##Vote Bogmire
You die tomorrow
##Unvote
##Vote Mean Ghost Girl
But MGG, your esteemed buddy, dies today.
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KYAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OH GOD BOGMIRE, THAT WAS HILARIOUS. That's SO FUCKING...WHAT.
I...I can hardly breathe I'm laughing so hard.
Checkmate Bog scum.
##Unvote
##Vote Bogmire
You die tomorrow
##Unvote
##Vote Mean Ghost Girl
But MGG, your esteemed buddy, dies today.
^-^ My feelings exactly.
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Youmu, your obvscum. Bathory is the one I'm not sure about. You've been pressuring people to vote for the players you want to lynch on emotional grounds for two days now, and the cases are bad mentality is scummy as heck because it requires town to rely on gut reads.
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Bogmire, can you explain what makes you suspicious of MGG?
Do you feel like MGG and Lizzy could be scum together?
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No, actually, my case on you fairly founded in logic. Our case on Mean Ghost Girl is also fairly founded in logic. Our case on Kukaku was founded in logic. You just don't want to let go because you're scum who's seeing his designated mislynches slide away. You want to know what's bad? Your cases. You choose to attack what you perceive as bad or illogical play without considering the intent or motivation of such actions. You're going for "easy mislynches", and you bit off more than you could chew attacking me. But it's ok, I'll put you out of your misery tomorrow.
Also, you're scum because GUT!
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I don't judge scum pairs, so I do think it's possible for MGG and Lizzy could be scum together.
I'm not sure if he's differentiating between bad play and scummy play when I read things like this either:
Bog:Youmu isn't worse then Bathory. They're both horrible. One thing worth considering though is that Bathory is utterly horrible and Youmu... well, isn't UTTERLY HORRIBLE, I guess. If we don't lynch Bathory today I'm positive we'll get her lynched tomorrow, I can't say the exact same about Youmu. But really, I don't care much which order we lynch them in, as long as they're lynched. Really really scummy and really scummy are still both scummy and both need to die.
While I find scummy and terrible are often closely related and I don't find attacking both as scummy as particularly suspicious, I've become far more suspicious of her last 18 hours of inactivity. It feels like he's lying low or something while Bathory takes the heat. Furthermore, he couldn't be bothered to give us a roleclaim, so if we lynch him we would be going in blind - not being around to claim is highly suspicious.
I mean, while Bathory isn't claiming, at least she's around to talk. MGG just disappeared, which bother me.
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I don't judge scum pairs, so I do think it's possible for MGG and Lizzy could be scum together.
I'm not sure if he's differentiating between bad play and scummy play when I read things like this either:
While I find scummy and terrible are often closely related and I don't find attacking both as scummy as particularly suspicious, I've become far more suspicious of her last 18 hours of inactivity. It feels like he's lying low or something while Bathory takes the heat. Furthermore, he couldn't be bothered to give us a roleclaim, so if we lynch him we would be going in blind - not being around to claim is highly suspicious.
I mean, while Bathory isn't claiming, at least she's around to talk. MGG just disappeared, which bother me.
Just hammer your scum buddy and end this.
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In other words, stop stalling.
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What makes you think you're in the clear Bathory?
Anyway, I'll vote in 30 minutes. That should give everyone time to post their final thoughts while I think things through.
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40 minutes are left in the day.
No change in vote count.
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What makes you think you're in the clear Bathory?
Anyway, I'll vote in 30 minutes. That should give everyone time to post their final thoughts while I think things through.
Well, I'm town. That counts ^-^
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So, while you agree with MGG's playstyle, you also agree that it can be considered suspect, which is then amplified by MGG not being online since last night.
Welp, I gave you a chance. consider me part of the inevitable town voting block tomorrow.
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Frankly, I don't care as long as you give me a chance to claim.
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MGG just disappeared, which bothers me.
I slept, and then as soon as I woke up had to go do obligatory tasks where I do not have internet access until I return home. Sadly, there was no possible way for me to post until... right now.
Like half an hour from deadline. Damn.
Okay, no matter what you'd like to hear from me, anything that requires long paragraphs or rereading is out of the question because there is no friggin way it's going to get done with time for anyone to react to it. What I -can- do, of course, is claim.
I am a Watcher! I watch people at night because I'm a creeper and I want to discover your secrets so I can use them for blackmail. ...okay, this isn't the time for flavorfluff that I completely made up, nevermind, I'm just a Watcher, okay? I target someone at night and see everyone who targets them.
I targeted the Count n1 and Munak n2. The Count was targeted by Necro N1. Munak was targeted by nobody.
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^ LIAR.
NECRO FLIPPED TOWN DOCTOR.
IF THE COUNT HAD BEEN TARGETTED BY NECRO, COUNT WOULD NOT HAVE DIED.
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I said night one.
Learn to read.
Seriously, do you EVER make any sense?
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Wait.. nevermind... I need to learn how to read, night ONE not night TWO.
Oops~
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I said night one.
Learn to read.
Seriously, do you EVER make any sense?
Well, I make sense when you flip scum ^-^
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Uh huh.
Can you elaborate on why you chose those targets?
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Because I thought they were likely to get targetted by scum.
If I watched someone and they got killed, or roleblocked or voteblocked or something, I'd have a huge lead on finding scum.
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So what did Munak do to make her better than count to not watch him again?
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She was the most obvtown that ever towned, of course.
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I believe it was you who said count was bleeding town d2 and you didn't watch him again after you didn't say much about Munak?
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Which, if that claim is true, means Necro Gardna didn't target Munak, himself, or Count night 2. hm.
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Why didn't you claim before you went to bed?
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Or why not watch Necro when you said he was looking quite town?
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Oh shit there's like 10 minutes left. Hammer.
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=.= Watcher.. I'M NOT DRUNK THIS TIME
CAN WE GET A ---------[] IN HERE
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7 minutes are left in the day!
No changes in votes.
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I believe it was you who said count was bleeding town d2 and you didn't watch him again after you didn't say much about Munak?
Obvtown is obvtown. Not a single one thought Munak was scum in the slightest, so she was just as valid of a target.
Also, that's true Bog; I didn't think of that.
Ayumu, I didn't watch Necro because almost everyone ELSE thought he was scum. I'm trying to catch someone getting targeted by scum, and if I was scum, I wouldn't put the most hated townie on my list of people who should have the NK used on them.
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MGG needs to be hammered.
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Well, here goes nothing.
##Unvote
Vote: Mean Ghost Girl
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HAMMER SHUT UP
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Mean Ghost Girl (6) - Youmu Konpaku,
Elizabeth Bathory, Kukaku Shiba, Sid Barett, Ayumu Aikawa, Pamela Ibis, Bogmire (L-0)
Elizabeth Bathory (4) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet, Mean Ghost Girl, Munak
Not voting: None!
Mean Ghost Girl, the Scum Voteblocker, has been lynched!
Role: Voteblocker
Abilities: - During each night phase, you may ##Voteblock another player. That player's votes will not count during the following day phase.
- Your targets will not be informed that they were voteblocked. However, their votes will appear crossed out (ie,
Voteblocked Person) on any official votecounts.
- Your ability will fail during MYLO / LYLO situations.
You have 24 hours to send your night actions to both Edible and myself.
Please do not post during the night phase unless your role allows you to do otherwise.
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You have 24 hours to send your night actions to both Edible and myself.
Please do not post during the night phase unless your role allows you to do otherwise.
PLEASE ACTUALLY DO IT THIS TIME
I'm so lonely ;_;
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three and twelve shoud be
shelved, but bussing is something
I'm considering
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Ayumu Aikawa, the Vanilla Townie, was killed overnight!
Elizabeth Bathory, the ????????, was killed overnight!
You have 72 hours left in the day. With 8 votes active, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
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##Vote:Reg Shoe
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Mean Ghost Girl > Claims to have forgetten about Reg Shoe existing.
Reg Shoe > Claims Mean Ghost Girl very forgettable.
Coincidence???
Also, considering Mean Ghost Girl's role was voteblocker. The fact that Reg Shoe dismissed Elizabeth's vote as worthless has much more meaning to me.
##Vote:Reg Shoe
I'm going to assume scum gambled on killing an Important town RP. Otherwise I see no reason why Pamela was not killed considering how she had already declared her role.
I also find it funny how Youmu is once again the sole survivor of a declared scum team. :V
Yuyuko sure doesn't want you completely dead yet, huh.
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So does that mean Bathory was third-party?
Sorry about not being here at the end of the day. I should've mentioned that I wasn't going to be here. I went to sleep because deadline for me is like 3-6:AM for me (can't remember which) and I was sick so I needed rest.
What does Count mean by shelved?
Also, the end of D3 was very ong winded and interesting. It looks like Bogmire got frustrated with Bathory after a while. So basically it was a fight between Bathory and Bogmire then MGG came back.
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So does that mean Bathory was third-party?
The ???????? means that her flip was not revealed, for whatever reason.
Additionally!
Reg Shoe (2) - Kukaku Shiba, Sid Barett
Not voting: Everybody else
You have 68.5 hours remaining. With 8 votes active, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
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Ah, ok. Thanks.
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Vote Analysis confirmed Reg Shoe to be scum.
Your defense, Shoe?
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Excuse me for a moment while we enact our Youmu and Myon dance.
YOU'RE THE BEST AROUUUUND! NO ONE'S EVER GONNA KEEP YOU DOWN! ヽ(；▽；)ノ
You wash out your mouth with soap skull face zombie boy!
So does that mean Bathory was third-party?
What does Count mean by shelved?
Third party shows up as yellow. I think it means her flip was blocked. I'm much more annoyed at our vig who killed Ayumu because ??? while you and Bogmire are still alive. I'm assuming shelved means he thinks you should be dead. Mostly because I think you should be dead. :)
Have we mentioned how much we want Bogmire dead lately? Remilia is edging to a close second. Actually it's time for one of those charts that I know people hate and will be completely impossible to read on this blue background!
Shiba Kukaku Obvscum Voter
Youmu Konpaku - EYE'M THE STRONGEST!
Pamela Ibis - Besides being super townie town, if she'd put her vote down for Bathory, Bogmire would have been 'forced' to hammer someone who is probably town. We think this should be enough for the rest of you to leave her alone today.
Sid Barett - Similar reasoning except way earlier on the wagon. We don't like him as much as Pamela, but there isn't a lighter lighter green color.
Munak - Just from a vote observing perspective, being third on the not-scum counterwagon and putting your fingers in your ears whenever someone brings up another case is kinda a thing, but.. well, I'd rather just see what our jagaimo shi has to say for today. Your targets are pretty much denied forever.
Reg Shoe - He might have started the other wagon, but there's something authentic about the way he pursued Bathory and wouldn't let go. Super Tunnelly Vision seems more like something town would do when the evil dead should have chickened out and abandoned ship. He's definitely on the list of people who need to explain themselves today and tell us who the scum are now. Cuts are telling me
Remilia Scarlet - On the other hand hopping onto other people's town wagons is super easy, especially when most of your content of the day is spent asking the confirmed town vote what you should do. So who are the scum and what do you think of people today, Remilia? We are Not Happy With You and want to see more of your own inner thinking.
Bogmire - Have I Mentioned I Want Bogmire Dead Today? Because we want Bogmire dead today. Everything about his vote was stalling, from seeing which wagons would pick up to waiting and seeing if anyone believed Mean Scum Girl's claim and trying to make it sound reasonable. No, really. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg698751.html#msg698751) Tell us some more about how we're obvscum, Bog Monster.
##Vote: Bogmire
The words Vote Analysis already make my head hurt in anticipation after yesterday.
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EBWOM: Cuts are telling me other people feel more strongly about this color.
I think I need a stronger drink. <.< No, like coffee, what did you think I was having today?
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Just one question before I start. How long till LYLO assuming always a mislynch and 2 scum left? How long assuming 1 scum lynch and the rest mislynches?
In response to Youmu:
I kinda agree with your list in terms of who goes where (except I'm obv town). But I would put Munak as a bit more townie.
I'll try making one of those lists.
Remilia Scarlet: Obv town.
Pamela Ibis: Had a bad start at D1 but looked much better throughout the game.
Youmu Konpaku(+Myon): Like Pamela had a bad start(but lasted longer) but is looking better as the game goes on.
Sid: Started the game with a whole lot of tunneling but is so much better now.
Munak: The way the posts are done is a bit confusing for me too but that's not too bad. A bit of tunneling looks kinda suspicious. I think Munak could do with explaining herself a bit.
Reg Shoe: He is really starting to look worse as the game goes by. Plus he doesn't seem to have that much activity. He really could do with some explaining too.
Bogmire: Bog is so Obvscum now. I know I said he was looking town early D3 but now I can finally see what is so bad with his posts. I completely agree with what Youmu said about his vote. Lynch him now!
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^ See, the thing is it's hard to understand WHY you feel these ways. Why is Sid better to you? Why is Reg Shoe suddenly worse to you? What do you see that is so bad about his posts? It literally looks like you're only saying these things because I said them first.
If there are two evil dead, we only have one mislynch left. If there's only one left hiding,we have two.
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EBWOM: What do you see that is so bad about his posts? <--- The he refers to Bogmire, by the way. MORE DRINKING!
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^ See, the thing is it's hard to understand WHY you feel these ways. 1.Why is Sid better to you? 2.Why is Reg Shoe suddenly worse to you? 3.What do you see that is so bad about his posts? It literally looks like you're only saying these things because I said them first.
If there are two evil dead, we only have one mislynch left. If there's only one left hiding,we have two.
1. Sid has stopped tunneling as much as he used to and he has a broader view which in turn makes him have more contribution to everything in general.
2. I can't quite put my finger on it. But what Sid mentions is definitely a valid point. My brain says possibly town while my gut says possible scum. So I don't really know.
3. The last sentence in the paragraph applies to this. I saw what you said about Bogmire and I finally saw why it was so bad. I find that when I play mafia, I don't exactly pick up on everything instantly, so when that happens, I need someone else to point me in the right direction.
Also there is something I can say that covers all three of those questions. "Don't forget that this is only my second game. I still don't exactly know what is scummy and why."
Also, thanks.
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Master... You seem different...
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Munak is, evidently, a complete failure at this game.
Even so, Munak is still going to maintain her stand in not liking miss Pamela or miss Youmu.
But Munak will hold this to herself for now.
Munak's well-fed gut says that lady Scarlet is unlikely to be aligned with the scum.
Munak's head tells Munak that lady Scarlet should die in a fire for waffling, AtE, parroting, and lack of opinions in general.
Munak is more inclined to go with Munak's head, rather than Munak's gut.
Munak wants to see the response form corporal Shoe.
Munak does, however, think that Mr. Barett has a good point in his #596.
Munak supposes that she can see the case on Bogmire.
Munak hasn't reread Bogmire or corporal Shoe properly yet.
Munak will try to do these soon.
If anybody has questsions for Munak, shoot.
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NO, I'M THE STRONGEST!
@Remilia : I'm going to call you out about once again not voting the so called "obvscum"
Once is shame on me. Twice is shame on you.
I'm not sure if "shelved" means immediate lynch, Youmu. I find that shelved is closer to putting away to look at another time. But this would lead to pointless arguing. Going to need Count to clarify in his next Haiku.
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Oh fuck. I forgot to vote. I was going to do it but :memory:
##Vote:Bogmire
Sorry about that.
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RULE SIX, SERIAL HERE!
Touhou maybe for vig call,
I mean dead by 'shelved'.
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Oh, and another thing.
If there are two evil dead, we only have one mislynch left. If there's only one left hiding,we have two.
Does this count NK's? Or are scum not allowed to NK before LYLO?
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Morning everyone.
I finished reading Mean Ghost Girl. What stood out the most upon reread is her interactions with Remilia. While Mean Ghost Girl was perfectly happy voting Youmu and Bathory for being terrible, MGG had a tendency to simply write Remilia off as newbtown.
Sid spends an awfully large amount of effort attacking Remilia. She's an easy target, being new, and the thing is that many of us here have already expressed that we find Remilia's posts to be pretty town looking... terrible, of course, but town-looking. Battering her about this to improve her isn't really a bad thing, but Sid kept on her over voting anyone else for a frown-inducingly large amount of time.
As a result, I went into Remilia's posting history. She was (as we know) voting for Bathory at the time of Mean Ghost Girl's lynch. The vast majority of her play yesterday was filler in an attempt to interpret Kukaku, and she didn't make any cases (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2910), or even say anything about anyone after voting for Bathory fairly early in the day. Furthermore, she has said virtually nothing about MGG yesterday or indeed all game in spite of MGG being the lynch:
I had a strong town read on Mean Ghost Girl for most of D1 but she is getting worse as the game goes on. I still think she is most likely town though.
As you guys should know, I have been sick lately. So I haven't been keeping up to scratch as well as most of you. I'm a bit better now though.
First of all, I too think MGG and Bathory should claim very soon. But one question first (directed at everyone).
If Bathory's vote hadn't been blocked, do you think MGG would've been hammered already?
Also, someone (can't remember who) mentioned MGG avoiding wagons, how exactly was she avoiding them? Was it with her votes or her posts?
Basically, MGG had a town read on Remilia in spite of admitting Remilia was terrible and the fact that he went after players for being terrible (Bathory, Youmu), and Remilia barely said anything yesterday with her primary content concerning Mean Ghost Girl being a statement that both confirms a town read on Scum Ghost Girl while waffling on the player at the same time.
I find Remilia highly suspicious at this time.
##Vote: Remilia Scarlet
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The reason why I didn't say much concerning MGG was because I didn't know what to say. On initial reading, MGG looked fine enough to me. On a reread, She still looked fine enough. It obviously didn't click that someting was wrong. I still don't really know what is wrong or what is right when it comes to mafia in general. Plus MGG must've picked up on my newbtown status. Because I am newbtown I swear. If I was around for the end of the day, given the fact that a Bathory lynch probably wouldn't have ended up happening, I probably would've unvoted and waited for Bog to hammer.
To be nice to all of you, if at the end of the day you guys are undecided on who to lynch. I will offer myself as a mislynch. But it will have to be at the very end of the day because I don't want to force you guys into LYLO with not much info from D4. This does not mean I have given up. It's more that I won't be useful at all during LYLO and I might cost you guys the game due to my mistakes. So it's more of a strategic move if anything.
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Just to clarify that.
If at the end of the day you guys are undecided on who to lynch. I will offer myself as a mislynch.
But it will have to be at the very end of the day because I don't want to force you guys into LYLO with not much info from D4.
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Actually, change it to "If at the end of the day, you guys don't think that the supposed lynchee is scum". In other words I'll offer myself if you guys don't have a definite scum.
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People don't want consolidation lynches.
People want confidence.
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Think of it more as a last resort lynch.
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Now now, don't fight. You can both be scum.
Remirya: I hate to break it to you but if we decide we want you buried another six-feet under we're not going to care if you're okay with it or not. Why would we be trying to lynch someone we don't think is scum? Mrr. Itchy vote trigger..
Bog Monster: Seeing as she's the only person as red as you I'm not surprised you noticed how bad Remilia is. Seeing how you don't want to push yourself as a zombie, what do you think of the rest of the group? Don't be shy now. We want to hear all your thoughts on zombies.
Jagaimo shi: If you have a reason for maintaining your stand, do share it. We don't have to fight every time, you know. :< Why exactly were you so adamant in not looking at Mean Scum Girl at all? Gonna wait on those reread too.
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I'm just saying. Is all.
Though if you are town(directed at everyone). You would definitely think about lynching me before LYLO.
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Master? What's wrong? Master?
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Munak wonders what the hell mistress Scarlet is doing.
Munak was adamant in not looking at Mean Ghost Girl?
The wagon came up late in the day and Munak could not find the time to reread, and therefore Munak stuck with her preferred scumpick.
Munak's dislike of miss Pamela and miss Youmu?
Munak does not believe that anything has really changed with Munak's cases in regards to them.
Munak is laying off for now because Munak has some thoughts about the two that Munak needs to get sorted out in Munak's head.
Munak wonders why Bogmire would simply write someone off like that.
Munak wonders what caused Bogmire's change of heart that made Bogmire see mistress Remilia's behavior as scummy instead of newbtown.
Munak notes that, in Bogmire's #87, Bogmire represented corporal Shoe and Bomire admits as much.
Munak notes that Bogmire's entire D1 content consists of waffle and not much more.
Munak notes Bogmire's blatant hop onto miss Pamela when D2 begun after having not mentioned miss Pamela at all.
Munak notes that, in Bogmire's #342, Bogmire appears to be hedging Bogmire's bets by voting for miss Youmu for miss Youmu's suspicion of flipped townies whilst throwing suspicion onto Mr. Ayumu.
Munak also notes that miss Pamela was not mentioned again until Bogmire's replacement came in to say that Bogmire's replacement could see why Bogmire saw miss Pamela as scum but does not follow up on it at all.
Munak notes Bogmire's attempts to defend Mean Ghost Girl in #429 and #439.
Munak wonders why Bogmire, in #486, feels the need to throw in a comment about Mean Ghost Girl at the very end.
Munak thinks that Bogmire was being rather defensive of Mean Ghost Girl when Mean Ghost Girl became a potential lynch, after having not mentioned Mean Ghost Girl at all.
##Vote Bogmire
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So apparently there is a Serial Killer about.
...and the Count has decreed,
from What I read,
The ones to die,
are a Shadow,
With a side dish of Vampire,
With an unintended but questionable Phantom topping?
...I fail at this...
Anyways, I read Count's haiku as telling us to lynch Remilia and Bogmire.
With Youmu as a nightkill target, or Third Party Serial Killer.
Afterall, only Touhou left besides Remilia is Youmu~
Y/N?
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Well, I'm at L-2.
There is no serial killer.
I'm an Activist Vig. I get one additional kill for each phase that passes without a kill. Unfortunately, I can't kill 2 nights in a row. After the No lynch day 1 old Bogmire got a kill, which I used on Necro Gardna Night 2. I believe both kills last night were committed by scum, and should be treated as such.
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I'm not entirely sure I believe you, but here is what's gonna happen. IF BOGMIRE IS NOT THE VIG, DO NOT CLAIM, REAL VIG. Instead, you shoot him in the face tonight. We're not lynching Bog today, so let's move to lucky winner number 2, Remilia!
##Unvote, ##Vote: Remlila Scarlet
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Girls are thinking, please wait warmly until the questions are ready~
Bogmire: I don't think you had any posts before that night phase, so I have to ask. Why did you kill Necro Gardna?
Munak: Adamant in not looking is probably the wrong wording, but our Spell Card started against Mean Scum Girl early and it never seemed like you were willing to give it the time of day. What do you think of Bogmire now?
Sid: I read it as Count asking someone to vig Remilia, but your translation makes sense, not that it matters now since we have a claimed killer. I hope you didn't believe it because it would be silly.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Reg Shoe
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Sid: I read it as Count asking someone to vig Remilia, but your translation makes sense, not that it matters now since we have a claimed killer. I hope you didn't believe it because it would be silly.
Silly never did mean impossible~
Afterall third parties are pretty hard to find from what I read.
Unless your someone who JUST can't handle it. :V
@Bogmire: Your claim is pretty hard to buy.
N1 > (1) Arcuied
N2 > (2) Necro Gardna, Count von Count.
N3 > (2) Elizabeth Bathory, Ayumu Aikawa
Your claim of getting Kills per no kill phase is seriously false. I see no reason for you too have gotten a kill to use on Necro Gardna.
Afterall, there was a kill every night. Unless its scum specific. It still shows that there is a possible 3rd party.
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Bogmire (2) - Remilia Scarlet, Munak
Reg Shoe (2) - Sid Barett, Kukaku Shiba
Remilia Scarlet (2) - Bogmire, Youmu Konpaku
Not voting: Pamela Ibis, Reg Shoe
You have 50 hours remaining. With 8 votes active, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
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Hrm, so, I kind of see what Sid is saying. What I don't see is a vote for Bogmire if he truly believes that. Sid, you believe Bogmire to be SK and there's no vig, right? Therefore, Bogmire dying would reduce the number of anti town kills, right? So...may I ask why you aren't voting Bog?
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Mean Ghost Girl > Claims to have forgetten about Reg Shoe existing.
Reg Shoe > Claims Mean Ghost Girl very forgettable.
Coincidence???
Also, considering Mean Ghost Girl's role was voteblocker. The fact that Reg Shoe dismissed Elizabeth's vote as worthless has much more meaning to me.
What flipped scum says about anyone is silly WIFOM. What I've said about Mean Ghost you can see and judge for yourself.
I started Day 3 fully believing Elizabeth to be scum. If the person I believe to be scum is prevented from being able to influence town in some way, I will consider it a good thing.
Vote Analysis confirmed Reg Shoe to be scum.
Your defense, Shoe?
What is your point? I think my vote has been explained each time I made them.
The reason why I didn't say much concerning MGG was because I didn't know what to say. On initial reading, MGG looked fine enough to me. On a reread, She still looked fine enough. It obviously didn't click that someting was wrong. I still don't really know what is wrong or what is right when it comes to mafia in general. Plus MGG must've picked up on my newbtown status. Because I am newbtown I swear. If I was around for the end of the day, given the fact that a Bathory lynch probably wouldn't have ended up happening, I probably would've unvoted and waited for Bog to hammer.
I think everyone is going to be tired of asking you 'Why?' after all your posts. You had an excellent mentor for your first game. There's no excuse to claim newb by this stage. If Elizabeth's lynch was still tied, why would you unvote and let someone else hammer the other wagon? It's all the more suspicious that you would stall the scum wagon by doing that.
We are not lynching mean ghost girl because of process of elimination, without any actual case. Much like I asked Youmu, I request that you make a clear case on Mean Ghost Girl that examines her posting history for scummy behavior, and consolidates the reasons you think she is scummy into a single post.
However, I would also be interested in why you think Munak is scum. Frankly, I haven't been getting any scummy vibes from her, and I would be very interested in seeing that case. That's why I have trouble taking Ghost Girl's "defense" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg698239.html#msg698239) of Munak as evidence against Ghost - I don't see the case on Munak.
The vote switch stalling at the end of Day 3 is obvious for all to see. This defense of Mean Ghost when the votes were tied needs to be explained. Bogmire's next posts call for claims. I had pointed out at the time that L-1 would be needed to make such a demand of players. Along with the fact that the viable lynches were already determined, Bogmire's refusal to vote earlier left him free to go onto either wagon to swing the lynch when Town gets desperate.
Youmu, your obvscum. Bathory is the one I'm not sure about. You've been pressuring people to vote for the players you want to lynch on emotional grounds for two days now, and the cases are bad mentality is scummy as heck because it requires town to rely on gut reads.
Where has this gone? If it has changed, why?
There is no serial killer.
I'm an Activist Vig. I get one additional kill for each phase that passes without a kill. Unfortunately, I can't kill 2 nights in a row. After the No lynch day 1 old Bogmire got a kill, which I used on Necro Gardna Night 2. I believe both kills last night were committed by scum, and should be treated as such.
The only thing that is certain is that there were two kills on Night 2 and Night 3. The doctor was still alive on Night 1 and could have made a successful protect. Even if you do have a killing power, there's no reason for us to believe what your usage conditions are.
Of Remilia's posting and voting history, I have not seen a single thing with backbone in it. Every day's vote has been a votepark and when asked for reasons, it's been 'I agree with X'. There is nothing useful to quote.
##Vote Bogmire
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I wished to atleast wait for Reg Shoe to make a post before I switched, and apparently he has now.
Alright, I'll buy it.
I've repeated that phrase myself dozens of times already Youmu, I won't forget it that easily.
And since You unvoted...me voting will leave him at L-1 correct?
Well I'll let you decide if you want this day to be a fast one.
##Unvote
##Vote Bogmire
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Well first things first, hammering would be really stupid, and you putting Bog to L-1 before a full day's discussion is honestly quite dumb and possibly scummy. I know I told you to vote but that was BEFORE Reg voted him to L-2. I'd appreciate you unvoting. We know you support the Bog lynch.
Second thing is, the SK spec intrigues myself and Myon, and we need to think this through. We haven't decided if we want Bog dead after all yet or not. We'll probably look through his ISO some time today.
Third thing is, it's good of Reg to join us. But, I'd like to know a few things.
Is Bogmire scum or SK?
If he's SK, how many scum are there?
If there's more than one left, who else is scum besides Remilia?
Oh, and, really, what did you see in MGG that looked good anyway?
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Silly never did mean impossible~
Afterall third parties are pretty hard to find from what I read.
Unless your someone who JUST can't handle it. :V
@Bogmire: Your claim is pretty hard to buy.
N1 > (1) Arcuied
N2 > (2) Necro Gardna, Count von Count.
N3 > (2) Elizabeth Bathory, Ayumu Aikawa
Your claim of getting Kills per no kill phase is seriously false. I see no reason for you too have gotten a kill to use on Necro Gardna.
Afterall, there was a kill every night. Unless its scum specific. It still shows that there is a possible 3rd party.
I got a kill off of the No Lynch that we had on day 1.
I get a kill for each phase where no one dies. That includes both Night and Day phases.
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Well first things first, hammering would be really stupid, and you putting Bog to L-1 before a full day's discussion is honestly quite dumb and possibly scummy. I know I told you to vote but that was BEFORE Reg voted him to L-2. I'd appreciate you unvoting. We know you support the Bog lynch.
Second thing is, the SK spec intrigues myself and Myon, and we need to think this through. We haven't decided if we want Bog dead after all yet or not. We'll probably look through his ISO some time today.
Third thing is, it's good of Reg to join us. But, I'd like to know a few things.
Is Bogmire scum or SK?
If he's SK, how many scum are there?
If there's more than one left, who else is scum besides Remilia?
Oh, and, really, what did you see in MGG that looked good anyway?
Alright~
##Unvote
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Is Bogmire scum or SK?
If he's SK, how many scum are there?
If there's more than one left, who else is scum besides Remilia?
Oh, and, really, what did you see in MGG that looked good anyway?
Scum by the analysis of his posts.
If he's SK and there's two scum left, the mod isn't telling us since it's not stated that LyLo will be announced.
If there's more than one scum left, it might be Sid for his narrow focus all along. Though his point on Mean Ghost looks too good to be a bus. It might be Munak for only starting wagons that don't go anywhere. The insistent gunning for people who swung Mean Ghost's wagon into a lynch is the only thing that stands out for me right now. Flips of their preferred lynches might help for a better read.
I don't recall ever saying Mean Ghost looked good.
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Bogmire (3) - Remilia Scarlet, Munak, Reg Shoe
Remilia Scarlet (2) - Bogmire, Youmu Konpaku
Reg Shoe (1) - Kukaku Shiba
Not voting: Pamela Ibis, Sid Barett
You have 47 hours remaining. With 8 votes active, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
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Alright,
First off, I vigged Nerco Gardna because I thought he was scummy. As the counter wagon to Kukaku, he was instrumental in assuring a no lynch on day 1, and he was washing his hands of the Kukaku vote while making it. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693446.html#msg693446) With Youmu threatening to go nuclear on Bogmire the next day, I figured I should use my vig and give town back it's lynch by taking out the scummiest player I could find.
Second, there was a lot I didn't like about Youmu and a few things I still don't particularly like. When players are too accurate in their role speculation it's usually a bad sign, like how MGG knew that there was a vig as Munak pointed out in her 348 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696978.html#msg696978); likewise in retrospect it is very weird that Youmu was able to figure out MGG was the vote blocker. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697713.html#msg697713) Furthermore, her early play consisted if she was scum she was superbussing MGG yesterday over a perfectly viable Bathory lynch. I didn't like the blind town confirmation on Pamela day 2, which I am much more comfortable with now that I know about the quick topic and that Pamela helped us put MGG away, also using QT evidence. I also didn't like how she tunneled on MGG; I didn't understand why she thought MGG was worse than Bathory. However, since Bathory is probably town and MGG flipped scum, I am not really willing to press Youmu at this time. She looks a lot better in my reread than she did at the time, so I'm placing her between neutral and suspicious at this time.
I'll be back later tonight when I've finished my reread of Reg Shoe.
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Master? It's a new day master!
...Why won't you smile anymore?
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Munak notes that Bogmire said nothing about Necro Gardna throughout D1 and D2, despite saying that Bogmire thought him to be the scummiest by N2.
Munak is currently not in the right state of mind to work out anything, so Munak will be back later.
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Master? It's a new day master!
...Why won't you smile anymore?
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Munak notes that Bogmire said nothing about Necro Gardna throughout D1 and D2, despite saying that Bogmire thought him to be the scummiest by N2.
Munak is currently not in the right state of mind to work out anything, so Munak will be back later.
Bogmire the first versus Bogmire the Second. They were different Bogmires.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Reg Shoe
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Alright, things that stuck out on reread.
That's a pathetic bluff to open OMGUS with. My activity time is erratic. The mod hasn't needed to prod me and I've posted when I'm around. I don't think I was trying to hide my presence on your wagon when I called to attention that we need to finalize a lynch.
"I haven't been prodded yet" is not an adiquet response to accusations of a lack of content on day 1.
Other than that I actually found most of your early content quite agreeable at the time, however, I do find you somewhat suspicious due to several recent statements. In your last post yesterday, you proposed this possibility:
Mean Ghost's vote switch to Youmu brought Elizabeth's wagon to equal Youmu's. This move makes me believe in bussing going on even more. The three of them have become very interesting and I wouldn't be surprised if there were two scum in there. Ayumu's vote takes Mean Ghost ahead. Mean Ghost's vote on Youmu leaves the wagons at 2 apiece for Elizabeth and Youmu. So her switch back to Elizabeth is her only move to try get another equalizer and save herself.
Mean Ghost's leadup to voting Youmu didn't feel genuine. The posts said suspicious, not scummy. This late in the game, the vote reason looked more like a prod than anything else. The wording variance indicates to me how strongly you believe in your case. In Mean Ghost's case, not very much. The Elizabeth switch doesn't have the intent to lynch scum, but to comply with town needing a lynch. While I will appreciate getting an Elizabeth lynch, Mean Ghost's support for it means nothing to me.
I would like to know why you have dropped Youmu today, considering how yesterday you believed scum bussing was occuring. Furthermore, I have some confusion about the reason you have claimed to be voting for me. You are voting for me on the assumption that I am scum as opposed to a vig or a serial killer. I would like you to explain your understanding and the assumptions you have made about the game where it makes sense for me to be scum.
The vote switch stalling at the end of Day 3 is obvious for all to see. This defense of Mean Ghost when the votes were tied needs to be explained. Bogmire's next posts call for claims. I had pointed out at the time that L-1 would be needed to make such a demand of players. Along with the fact that the viable lynches were already determined, Bogmire's refusal to vote earlier left him free to go onto either wagon to swing the lynch when Town gets desperate.
MGG was not my primary target at any point yesterday, I would have much rather had a Youmu lynch early in the day, followed by Bathory, and at a glance I didn't notice much about MGG. I defended MGG only so far as I demanded logical arguments from Bathory and Youmu about the player. However, most of my decisions at the end of yesterday involved deciding NOT to lynch Bathory, who I thought was terrible, on the basis that she started to appear town to me. Admittedly, I was not paying nearly enough attention to MGG - my end of day was entirely about whether I still thought Bathory was scum, and I decided that no she wasn't. I strongly disagree with your belief that players should be at L-1 before they claim. I think that they should claim when they are the primary wagon. I also do not think players should be placed at L-1 before they claim, because L-1 allows them to be quick hammered - getting the information without adding risk is always better. That's why I was not willing to vote for Bathory earlier.
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I think everyone is going to be tired of asking you 'Why?' after all your posts. You had an excellent mentor for your first game. There's no excuse to claim newb by this stage. If Elizabeth's lynch was still tied, why would you unvote and let someone else hammer the other wagon? It's all the more suspicious that you would stall the scum wagon by doing that.
Just because I had an excellent mentor doesn't mean I'm in any way a competent player now. I am still very much learning the ropes to mafia and am very inexperienced. Last game I was scum, this game I'm town. So I can actually claim newb town if it's the first time I've been a townie.
I wouldn't of unvoted when Bathory's lynch was tied. I would've done it after MGG was at L-1 before being hammered. Since there was no way Bathory would've been lynched after all that. Also she hasn't actually flipped scum. For all we know she could surprisingly be town.
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Master hasn't gotten bored of Munak, right?
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Munak feels lonely.
Munak wonders where everybody went.
Munak wonders why mistress Remilia has to make all that noise.
Munak notes that all that AtE only fuels Munak's dislike of mistress Remilia.
Munak notes that the second Bogmire came into play fairly early in D2, yet never mentioned Necro Gardna at all.
Munak is making another post.
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I would like to know why you have dropped Youmu today, considering how yesterday you believed scum bussing was occuring. Furthermore, I have some confusion about the reason you have claimed to be voting for me. You are voting for me on the assumption that I am scum as opposed to a vig or a serial killer. I would like you to explain your understanding and the assumptions you have made about the game where it makes sense for me to be scum.
MGG was not my primary target at any point yesterday, I would have much rather had a Youmu lynch early in the day, followed by Bathory, and at a glance I didn't notice much about MGG. I defended MGG only so far as I demanded logical arguments from Bathory and Youmu about the player. However, most of my decisions at the end of yesterday involved deciding NOT to lynch Bathory, who I thought was terrible, on the basis that she started to appear town to me. Admittedly, I was not paying nearly enough attention to MGG - my end of day was entirely about whether I still thought Bathory was scum, and I decided that no she wasn't. I strongly disagree with your belief that players should be at L-1 before they claim. I think that they should claim when they are the primary wagon. I also do not think players should be placed at L-1 before they claim, because L-1 allows them to be quick hammered - getting the information without adding risk is always better. That's why I was not willing to vote for Bathory earlier.
Youmu is not an interesting target today. Pamela isn't going to look that way. Sid's focus is on yourself or Remilia. Remilia is playing dumb. Munak also appears to have Youmu put down to a lower priority. I've believed a lot of things that have turned out wrong this game. Even if I did think there was bussing, I have to reconsider it. Elizabeth's hidden flip puts the whole deal as an unknown. It's not something I can call conclusive. Putting that aside, Youmu's voting helped swing the lynch on scum. Overcomplicating how things went will only confuse me, so I'll go back to the basics of the events and take it from there.
Mean Ghost was a viable wagon for quite a while. Your actions read to me like you weren't interested in looking at her despite the obvious attention. Your worry about L-1 quickhammerings are unfounded. Elizabeth was adamant on not claiming. Mean Ghost didn't show up until the L-1 was made if I recall correctly. If anyone was stupid enough to hammer early, they would have a lot of explaining to do.
Just because I had an excellent mentor doesn't mean I'm in any way a competent player now. I am still very much learning the ropes to mafia and am very inexperienced. Last game I was scum, this game I'm town. So I can actually claim newb town if it's the first time I've been a townie.
I wouldn't of unvoted when Bathory's lynch was tied. I would've done it after MGG was at L-1 before being hammered. Since there was no way Bathory would've been lynched after all that. Also she hasn't actually flipped scum. For all we know she could surprisingly be town.
It doesn't matter what you claim. The only excuse for not scumhunting is that you're scum because you don't hunt yourself. Why would you unvote and let someone else hammer the scum wagon? Why would you not hammer Mean Ghost yourself?
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If anyone was stupid enough to hammer early, they would have a lot of explaining to do.
Why would you unvote and let someone else hammer the scum wagon? Why would you not hammer Mean Ghost yourself?
What?
Seriously what is this?
Isn't it obvious why I wouldn't hammer?
I would do the same as Bogmire and wait till the last minute so that everybody could say their last words.
Bogmire had already been designated the hammerer (because that's so totally a word), so why would I have done it?
All it would've resulted in would've been me hammering too early. Which as you said would need a lot of explaining.
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What Bogmire would do is independent of what you would do. Answer the question. What good reason would you have to not hammer Mean Ghost if it became evident that Elizabeth wasn't getting lynched? As far as everyone could see, Bogmire was stalling so you can't claim it was his job.
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Munak notes that the second Bogmire came into play fairly early in D2, yet never mentioned Necro Gardna at all.
No, I did not (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696437.html#msg696437), and I have no idea why you think I did. I had nothing to do with this game until day 3.
Now, Reg Shoe, you dodged one of my questions, and it's important. It deals with the difference between "scummy" and "most likely to be scum".
You are voting for me on the assumption that I am scum as opposed to a vig or a serial killer. I would like you to explain your understanding and the assumptions you have made about the game where it makes sense for me to be scum.
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I did answer your question Shoe. You obviously didn't read enough. I would've waited for everyone for a bit longer before giving the final hammer. The only reason I didn't was because I would've been hammering too early. Wouldn't it look suspicious if someone randomly jumped in early to quickhammer someone at L-1?
Did you forget what you said? If anyone was stupid enough to hammer early, they would have a lot of explaining to do.
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Pamela, come out and play? :< We miss you..
Bog Monster: If you were worried about Youmu going nuclear on you, and you thought Youmu was suspicious, why didn't you shoot us? As for the role speculation, it's what I do Mean Scum Girl's reaction to the vote steal was unnatural. Hypothetical, when you see an anti-town power like vote-stealing used, do you believe a person unaware of the role will ask what the hell is that, or laugh hysterically at the person who has had an obviously anti-town power used on them? It was a serious question, it was possible Mean Scum Girl was a town vote thief crumbing their role in the most stupidly blatant way possible. She didn't have to be the Scum Voteblocker herself for her to know about scum taking the action. I have no idea why I was the only one who questioned this. What did you think of the reaction?
Shoecat: Seconding Bogmire's request, I'd like to see where you're getting that analysis from. It puts me on edge how your explanation of why you're not pursuing me implies you're holding back solely because the rest of town has caught on to my shiny greenness, do you think I'm scum or not?
What?
Seriously what is this?
Isn't it obvious why I wouldn't hammer?
I would do the same as Bogmire and wait till the last minute so that everybody could say their last words.
Bogmire had already been designated the hammerer (because that's so totally a word), so why would I have done it?
All it would've resulted in would've been me hammering too early. Which as you said would need a lot of explaining.
Your words imply you would have switched your vote at the last minute, but you clearly still state you never wanted to put a vote onto the counterwagon to scum. Forget Bogmire's designation, he wasn't designated to do anything until the end, after Pamela had put her vote down. Why would YOU only have unvoted and never put your vote on scum? Unvoting after the lynch is decided is meaningless. What would you have done if Pamela's charm was confiscated and we were approaching end of day with Bogmire still undecided?
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Does the above post answer your question?
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If it had I would have said so. I think you'll find the question is different.
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Bog Monster: If you were worried about Youmu going nuclear on you, and you thought Youmu was suspicious, why didn't you shoot us? As for the role speculation, it's what I do Mean Scum Girl's reaction to the vote steal was unnatural. Hypothetical, when you see an anti-town power like vote-stealing used, do you believe a person unaware of the role will ask what the hell is that, or laugh hysterically at the person who has had an obviously anti-town power used on them? It was a serious question, it was possible Mean Scum Girl was a town vote thief crumbing their role in the most stupidly blatant way possible. She didn't have to be the Scum Voteblocker herself for her to know about scum taking the action. I have no idea why I was the only one who questioned this. What did you think of the reaction?
Well, in response to the top, I didn't shoot you because I thought Necro Gardna was more likely to be scum at the time. Although it would be convenient to simply shoot players I find suspicious and want me dead, I would rather shoot the players I find the scummiest than the players that I think are the most likely to go nuclear. I also figured that if you did go nuclear (somewhat justifiably, considering old Bogmire), I should make sure to give back town's lynch before I do it; otherwise I might have waited a day on the vig.
Although I admit that a part of the reason I picked Necro Gardna over you is that I viewed it partially as town's lynch rather than a vig, since it came at the expense of town's lynch. Thus, part of my criteria was "would town lynch this player". Since Necro Gardna was the counter wagon, I decided town would want to lynch him and probably would do so the next day. I would not want to vig you without having town discuss your lynch first and give you plenty of time in the spotlight with which I could make a well-informed decision about you, while more than enough discussion went around about Necro Gardna.
Furthermore, in retrospect you were right about MGG's reaction and I spologize for doubting you about it. I'm not actually sure what a natural reaction to a vote block would be, if it's natural to react at all. I kind of wrote off laughing at Bathory's misfortune as a personality quirk, which in retrospect was stupid of me.
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I actually picked up on the breadcrumbs set by MGG with that comment. it was actually quite obvious. Though if I were to laugh at that, then it would've been a personality quirk (not that I would laugh anyway).
I noticed the question was different. I was just asking if it was answering you.
As you asked what I would do if Bog was undecided then of course I would end up hammering. In fact earlier on in the day when Reg Shoe said something about putting people at L-1 to get them to claim I was considering putting them at L-1 but decided not to incase there was a quickhammer.
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Does master not like Munak anymore?
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Munak apologizes to Bogmire in regards to the timing.
Evidently, Munak is dyslexic and/or braindead.
Munak wonders why Bogmire calls out corporal Shoe for dropping a case on miss Youmu when Munak has done the same for now.
Munak notes how mistress Remilia's posts all appear to be IIoA.
Munak is just getting this post out there.
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Munak -
The difference is that you open day 4 recognizing that you still have a case on Youmu, albeit one you are not willing to pursue at this time due to Youmu's actions and yesterday's outcome - you consistently viewed Bathory as likely scum with Youmu as a likely buddy. When MGG flipped scum, and since Bathory is likely town, it makes sense for you to reconsider your reads.
Reg Shoe ends yesterday suggesting Youmu, Bathory, and Mean Ghost Girl are scum together. Then when MGG flipped scum, he dropped his case on Youmu completely in spite of Youmu scum being consistent with his theories yesterday. He ends yesterday calling Youmu scummy. He opens today by ignoring Youmu. That's the difference between you and Reg Shoe in regards to Youmu.
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I actually picked up on the breadcrumbs set by MGG with that comment. it was actually quite obvious. Though if I were to laugh at that, then it would've been a personality quirk (not that I would laugh anyway).
Then why didn't you say anything and why weren't you voting for her when she claimed it wasn't her who did the vote stealing?
As you asked what I would do if Bog was undecided then of course I would end up hammering. In fact earlier on in the day when Reg Shoe said something about putting people at L-1 to get them to claim I was considering putting them at L-1 but decided not to incase there was a quickhammer.
The only time you need to 'worry' about quickhammers is when it's LYLO. I don't believe you about wanting to make Mean Scum Girl claim if you didn't notice she was, from your perspective, lying.
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...I lost motivation...
I feel dead...
What the hell is this...
I did answer your question Shoe. You obviously didn't read enough. I would've waited for everyone for a bit longer before giving the final hammer. The only reason I didn't was because I would've been hammering too early. Wouldn't it look suspicious if someone randomly jumped in early to quickhammer someone at L-1?
Did you forget what you said?
This post looks nice and all...and I know Reg Shoe said it 1st,
But I seriously question why you had the need for you to "justify" yourself in the bold sentence. You should have had no need to state this.
Also,
The reason why I didn't say much concerning MGG was because I didn't know what to say. On initial reading, MGG looked fine enough to me. On a reread, She still looked fine enough. It obviously didn't click that someting was wrong. I still don't really know what is wrong or what is right when it comes to mafia in general. Plus MGG must've picked up on my newbtown status. Because I am newbtown I swear. If I was around for the end of the day, given the fact that a Bathory lynch probably wouldn't have ended up happening, I probably would've unvoted and waited for Bog to hammer.
To be nice to all of you, if at the end of the day you guys are undecided on who to lynch. I will offer myself as a mislynch. But it will have to be at the very end of the day because I don't want to force you guys into LYLO with not much info from D4. This does not mean I have given up. It's more that I won't be useful at all during LYLO and I might cost you guys the game due to my mistakes. So it's more of a strategic move if anything.
What town would offer themselves as a lynch target when they are CERTAIN they are town?
By offering yourself as a mislynch when you KNOW your are town is giving SCUM a free kill. Where is the Help In IT!?
Your trying to make our thought processes about your lynch into a gamble.
...and now I'm feeling lazy.
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Bogmire (3) - Remilia Scarlet, Munak, Reg Shoe
Remilia Scarlet (2) - Bogmire, Youmu Konpaku
Reg Shoe (1) - Kukaku Shiba
Not voting: Pamela Ibis, Sid Barett
You have roughly 26 hours and 10 minutes remaining. With 8 votes active, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
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Now, Reg Shoe, you dodged one of my questions, and it's important. It deals with the difference between "scummy" and "most likely to be scum".
The answer was already in your second quote of me. What you did at the end of the day was scummy. The way you went about the asking for a claim and stalling on the hammer was scummy. Scummy things make you the scum.
Shoecat: Seconding Bogmire's request, I'd like to see where you're getting that analysis from. It puts me on edge how your explanation of why you're not pursuing me implies you're holding back solely because the rest of town has caught on to my shiny greenness, do you think I'm scum or not?
I've reread the voting. Youmu placed the first vote on Mean Ghost when Elizabeth was at four votes. It doesn't make sense for scumYoumu to start the wagon on Mean Ghost when there's no pressure. Youmu's interaction to Mean Ghost doesn't look like she was bussing for this. I don't think Youmu is scum.
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The answer was already in your second quote of me. What you did at the end of the day was scummy. The way you went about the asking for a claim and stalling on the hammer was scummy. Scummy things make you the scum.
Unsatisfactory.
##Unvote
##Vote: Reg Shoe
I do not deny that my play was less than optimal yesterday, but I do not accept the logic you are using. While I can accept explanations for my play such as me being a serial killer, I cannot accept a vote for me on the assumption that I am scum without an explanation of your understanding of the setup of the game. Without a reasonable explanation for how we had two kills both night 2 and night 3 that includes me being scum which makes it more optimal to lynch me today rather than have me vigged if I'm lying, I cannot see you as going after the player "most likely to be scum", rather, it seems like you are parking your vote on a player you think is "scummy", without thinking over whether or not the logic behind me being scum works and whether or not that is the optimal town course of action.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Reg Shoe
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Bogmire (3) - Remilia Scarlet, Munak, Reg Shoe
Reg Shoe (2) - Bogmire, Kukaku Shiba
Remilia Scarlet (1) - Youmu Konpaku
Not voting: Pamela Ibis, Sid Barett
You have roughly 18 hours remaining. With 8 votes active, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Pamela Ibis has been prodded.
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Yo, Remilia.
You voted me for being scummy before I claimed, so I don't think you ever told us your interpretations of the events of the day. Now that I have claimed, I want you to tell me what the best course of action is in regards to that information and why, as well as your interpretations of the information. I voted Reg Shoe for the logic he was using (or more precisely, the fact that he didn't even try to work out a counter interpretation of events when he voted me for being "scummy") at the time of his vote; and at the time of your vote the facts presented were different so there was nothing suspicious about the logic. However, I need to know the logic you are now using, since you will be using that logic to determine the lynch.
I consider nothing more scummy that failing to use logic when it is available - all votes and all decisions in mafia must have a reasonable explanation, even if the reason is incorrect and the true explanation is far more complex. This is because logic is more reliable than gut and stronger than cases when it comes to finding the truth. That is why I consider absolutely nothing more scummy than failing to have an explanation of the events in the game before a player makes decisions. Thus, I would like to hear your understanding of the kills and my claim before the day is over.
Here is what I think: I vigged Necro Gardna Night 2. I didn't vig anyone last night, so I conclude that scum had a janitor kill that they used on Bathory, while Ayumu was taken out by the other scum. There was no declaration of Lylo (which is usually declared), notable since we have a Chicago Voter that would not be able to vote in Lylo according to her role. So I believe there are 2 scum or less left. In addition, in most the previous games I've played, every player gets one night action. Thus, while I had a town read on Pamela before, I would probably not consider the possibility of Pamela scum if the player she neighborized today were to appear. This is because scum used 2 night actions, neither of which were neighborizor. I do not believe there is a serial killer (because that would mean the killer only made one successful, non-crossing kill on night 3, in my interpretation) or a second vig since that would require two town vigs, which while possible, does not strike me as the most reasonable and logical explanation.
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I'm here.
@Youmu: I was already pursuing a case on someone else.
@Sid: I'm offering myself as a lynch target for when you guys are ready to go in to LYLO as I won't be of any use then.
@Bogmire: I'm not sure if I can really believe your claim. I have a very bad gut feeling about it. It doesn't seem to work out too well with the kill sequence.
What you think can still make sense as another possibility though. I'm not exactly sure on what I think happened with the NK's.
I think the D1 kill was scum, D2 what MGG said makes sense in that scenario, D3 could have been a janitor (something I compeletely forgot existed) who went after Bathory leaving Ayumu to be the scum NK, and D4 someone will probably die because that's what normally happens.
I still think you could be scum though.
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We have like 12 hours left and we need a lynch. Since no one can see how utterly bloody scummy Remilia is, we're going to go Bogmire. Bog is SKish as hell, I think. Myon isn't as certain, but with 12 hours left beggars can't be choosers. As for why I strongly lean SK as opposed to scum, Bog's entire playstyle has been of appeasement. It doesn't feel like he's hunting scum so much as trying not to die. This is particularly notable when he questions us on MGG and then backs off instantly, despite having read that post at the time. It feels like he's trying to piss off as few people as possible so he doesn't get NK'd OR lynched. Why this isn't scum is because we can only think of one circumstance where Bog IS scum, and it's highly unlikely.
Bog's wall of words are swimming for both myself and Myon because we're tired, but I think I saw several silly/dumb assumptions. Particularly the one about logic, but that's a theory discussion. I also see your explanation of kills and raise you the idea that you had a one shot janivig, and figured Bathory would be perfect for it after the MGG lynch. After all, if town seemed suspicious, you could use the wiggle room that she's scum to set up more lynches. Unfortunately, they didn't seem to bite, so you've had to assume she was town.
Either way,
##Unvote, Vote Bogmire L-1. I want him dead before the day ends.
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Youmu, logic and MOTKtown is a sore point with me. Nevertheless, players that don't use it are always horribly scummy, and I will argue this to the death in every mafia game. Heck, I would love to say players that insist on molding logic itself around the conclusions they want to believe rather than those conslusions that make the most sense are scummy, but then I would have to lynch everyone and obviously they aren't all scum.
Please unvote me until the mod gets back and answers this:
Mod - Can you please define LyLo.
I don't want any hammers on the basis of serial killer until I know the answer to that question.
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##Vote: Reg Shoe
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Hey Bog, another thing. What if I asked you to come up with another possibility based on the NK's?
Also if I'm right LYLO means lynch or lose. In other words town need to lynch a scum or they lose the game. This is the opposite of MYLO which is mislynch or lose. Where scum have to misynch or they will lose. Sorry if it's not correct.
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Right. If I'm a serial killer, as Youmu is now assuming, we might have already been placed in LyLo/MyLo, depending on the rules Huh What is using. This is regardless of whether or not there is 1 or 2 scum. That's why I want Huh What to make a precise definition for the terms.
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It could be possible that you're a X-shot night vig who didn't know who to pick on N1.
Also, makes sense for the definition then. I'm quite curious too.
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Mod - Can you please define LyLo.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Town is not currently in LYLO or MYLO, if that was not clear enough. If town does enter a MYLO or LYLO situation, I will state so in the thread.
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Please unvote for the moment Remilia. I would like to know if it's even possible for me to be a serial killer before Youmu lynches me for being a serial killer.
I won't suggest another possibility, because there isn't another possibility that makes more sense to me as the vig than I vigged Necro Gardna and the two kills last night were caused by scum. The only reasonable alternative, considering that I know I killed Necro Gardna, miht be a second vig.
@Youmu, I really wish you would not dismiss logic. I do think incorrect and flawed understandings of mafia theory is scummy, especially if the player refuses to update or consider correct theory in light of more reasonable alternatives, and I would hate for it to be a problem in determining alignment if I play with you in future games. I don't want to mix up scummy behavior with a theory disagreement.
Also, any thoughts on Reg Shoe?
EDIT: @ Huh What - can you please define what the term "LyLo" means in your game.
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As in, the technical definition you are using to define "Lylo" and "MyLo" for this game. It varies between mods.
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LYLO = If town does not lynch scum, then they lose.
MYLO = If town lynches a townie, then they lose.
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Fine. I'll unvote you, but you have to be super convincing if you don't want to be lynched.
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EBWOP: Oops, almost forgot to unvote.
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I am such a silly person :V
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I think you're completely missing the point, Remilia <_<
I simply said you should unvote me until we have determined whether me being a serial killer, assuming even just one other scum, would mean we are in MyLo.
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I know that, but you better avoid being hugely scummy too or I'll put my vote back on early.
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Why would we be in LYLO or MYLO? There are seven people alive. We're not and haven't been in MYLO, so it just assumes there's one less evil dead then we thought there was. Even if we believe your claim as you said it your play is weird enough for us to distrust.
We think Reg is wrong about you being scum. If you knew about Mean Scum Girl we think you would have voted sooner. It doesn't make you any less -scummy-, it just means he's picking up the tells for the wrong reasons.
Edit: Oh god you townies better be lynching that tomorrow.
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Remilia, this is our answer to that question. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg700525.html#msg700525)
I will say this though - if your understanding of the game is that I am scum, then the best way to lynch would be by Youmu's method - either have the Necro Gardna vig come out if he's a one shot, or have him kill me tonight if he's a multishot. Either way I'm fine since I'm the vig, which is part of the reason I consider it so important for players to have an interpretation of the game that makes sense, and then they act on it.
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Why would we be in LYLO or MYLO? There are seven people alive. We're not and haven't been in MYLO, so it just assumes there's one less evil dead then we thought there was. Even if we believe your claim as you said it your play is weird enough for us to distrust.
...That doesn't make sense.
Anyway, I would like you to tell me what makes Remilia different from New Town. Admittedly, I do have trouble telling the difference, and my gut seems to tell me not to lynch her right now, so I would like you to explain how it's "scummy" as opposed to just "bad".
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##Unvote
##Vote:Reg Shoe
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Youmu do you still want Bog dead yet? I'm willing to lynch him at the moment.
Also I thought MYLO was something different but :whatdoiknow:
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Also Pamela has been away for too long. It's kinda annoying.
And Kukaku, we get it now you hate Reg Shoe.
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@Youmu - the reason we might have been in MyLo, if your assumptions about the game were correct, is that a town mislynch plus two townies down (one by scum, one by SK) would place town in a 1-1-2 situation, with the number of anti-town players equaling the number of town players. But Huh What's description is too vague to draw that conclusion from.
@Remilia (and to a smaller extent, Youmu) she wouldn't have to keep reminding you guys if you actually looked at Reg Shoe.
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Bogmire (3) - Munak, Reg Shoe, Youmu Konpaku
Reg Shoe (2) - Bogmire, Kukaku Shiba
Not voting: Everyone else
You have roughly 13 hours remaining. With 8 votes active, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
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Bogmire: Because he has no logical reason for unvoting you. Possibly because people doing things for no reason gives me more headaches when I'm half-asleep and cranky.
What you're saying doesn't work because if there was a vig alive, with the players we have, they would have come forward by now. The other possibility we were considering is that your role works as you claim it does (or you're just one-shot), Bathory was the town vigilante and you're asking someone who's already dead to come forward.
I really need to sleep. I will try to make sure to be awake before the end of day if some ~*shocking revelations*~ happen. If I get cut one more time Roukanken is coming out!
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So I take it you didn't want me to unvote?
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We want you to vote who you think is scum. Do you think Bogmire is scum? If yes then vote Bogmire.
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Well okay then, ##Vote:Bogmire
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Remilia's sheeping around this day has relegated my my town read to a gut feeling.
Bogmire, do you have a case you could restate on Reg Shoe?
I'm with Kukaku in that I wish I could vote without having to justify myself in that I want to lynch Reg Shoe. I don't think Shoescum and Bogscum are mutual, and I'm worried a little by Bog's vig claim
(It would mean at the very least three kill sources, but I can't in good conscious exclude that option.)
there could be plenty of reasons why lynching Bogmire would be justified even if he was scum and there was a vig left (with a shot).
I want to reread Reg Shoe some more, and find things I don't like, but his posts are so long, and overly inflated that I lose the will to read them immediately. I don't like his interactions towards Bogmire before day 4, or Mean Ghost girl at all. He only mentions her in his last post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg698487.html#msg698487) of the day when it was a race between MGG and Lizzy. He cheered the wagon on MGG and came up with a single point. that point is inflated with talking about how bandwagoning works, which feels like overexplination to me, and ends up congratulating another person's catch. It doesn't feel Genuine to me.
##Vote: Reg Shoe
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Yay! It's a Pamela post.
but his posts are so long, and overly inflated that I lose the will to read them immediately.
I disagree on this. Most of his posts on D3 seem to be filled with quotes and one-liner responses to them.
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Munak wonders if what mistress Remilia just said was meant to be an attempt at defending corporal Shoe.
Munak finds Bogmire's claim to be all sorts of weird and Munak would prefer to see Bogmire's lynch today.
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Yay! It's a Pamela post.I disagree on this. Most of his posts on D3 seem to be filled with quotes and one-liner responses to them.
But that's exactly what I mean by "Overly inflated." The posts span across my entire screen that I can't see the date posted mark from the places in his posts where he actually votes, and having that many one liners makes it hard to pick out all of the relevent sentences a person posted to figure out what their opinions were.
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Ah, now I get what you mean.
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And no Munak, that wasn't a defense. I just didn't exactly agree with what Pamela said because I thought something else he was doing was bad. But now Pamela cleared it up so it's all fine.
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Edit: In fact, Since you seem to have a lot of time on your hands, Remi, here's a fun exercise that will help you hunt scum in future games.
1. Go to Reg Shoe's profile and hit "Show posts"
2. Read through the list of posts labled Graveyard mafia, and note every time he responds to or talks about a person that has had their alignment shown to us
3. consolidate the list so it's organized by person talked about
4. Clean it up (remove repeat phrases, remove phrases where he contradicts his own opinion in the same post, etc.)
5. Summerize his opinions on everyone for the thread. Tell us if you think his opinions on that person feel genuine or not.
It's a lot of work, and I know I didn't give you a lot of time, but this is this most important part of scumhunting in the later parts of the game. I'm going easy on you by only asking you to read one person like this.
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I going to have to say, that Its really hard to believe Bogmire's claim.
The only way to incorperate kills is
(N1) ??? > Arcuied
(N2) SCUM > Count, Bogmire > Necro
(N3) SCUM > Ayumu, ??? > Elizabeth
...This is likely the most logical way I can see the Kills in happening.
With No lynch day 1, I believe its plausible for scum to refrain from killing. But they are only allowed that once.
...Actually Yes I believe theres no Serial Killer.
(N1) SCUM
(N2) SCUM , Bogmire
(N3) SCUM, SCUM ONE-SHOT.
...If I looked at it like this, then its plausible that Bogmire's claim can be true.
Afterall, Elizabeth's role was blanked out, therefore it can be counted as a One shot.
And for one reason or another, I really don't like Reg Shoe.
Talked about Having Kukaku Communicate with us more, then dismisses it as she shouldn't be required to care about the game anymore due to being DEAD
I do remember a time where he posted about probably forgetting about me, but liked Soul Eater too much.
But then he goes and defends me with
I've found nothing disagreeable from Munak all game and this hasn't changed.
Nobody has felt Sid was worth pressuring by way of votes or questions barrages the entire time. Even if he's not posting in frequency, he's making good of it in content. Which is also something the people calling him a lurker are ignoring. Comments like these are fluffy snipes that don't make Youmu look any better.
While it's true that Sid has been pushing what can be called a policy lynch all game, he hasn't ever posted anything worthless. Whatever his job is, he's doing it well (like the man he used to be). He's not being really detrimental to town by posting stuff he's not behind, his stance and intention is transparent and logical. I'm down with calling him town and I have nothing to hide about how I got to that conclusion. Why can't Youmu, Elizabeth and yourself do the same?
In this post hes also abusing the fact that Youmu, Elizabeth, and Pamela are not town because they refuse to share information. Hes trying to himself look MUCH better then the 3 mentioned.
##Vote Reg Shoe
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I haven't even gotten up to D3 yet and most of it looks bad. There is so much focus on Ayumu too.
Currently:
Points about Ayumu: 7
Points about Necro: 3
Points about Kukaku: 2
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I would vote but I don't want to hammer yet.
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Ugh it looks so bad and I only just started D3.
One thing I noticed is that Reg only brings someone up once they're a good lynch target. Which is why there is so much about Ayumu on D1-D2, Necro on D2, Kukaku on D2 and MGG on D3 (Bathory too but I didn't count her as she hasn't actually flipped with an alignment yet).
I really want to vote Reg Shoe but I will wait till it's 11:30 here if you guys want (it's 10:24 now).
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Is everyone fine with hammering at about half an hour from now? If not, speak now or forever hold your peace.
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If no one comments I am going to hammer 15 minutes from now.
So you can't hold me accountable for any reason involving not warning you guys.
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Wait do any of you guys want Reg to claim? Because I just realised he hasn't claimed yet.
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5 more minutes.
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Also it feels lonely here. Especially if you have 8 posts just of yourself on your own.
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Okay it's 11:30.
##Vote:Reg Shoe
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HAMMER
SHUT UP
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Vote count - Oh wait, nevermind edition
Bogmire (4) - Munak, Reg Shoe, Youmu Konpaku, Remilia Scarlet
Reg Shoe (4) - Bogmire, Kukaku Shiba, Pamela Ibis, Sid Barett
Not voting: No one!
Bogmire and Reg Shoe are at L-1!
You have 6.5 hours or so remaining. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
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What? Did I get switched ????
Let's try again.
##Unvote
##Vote:Reg Shoe
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Wait was it because I didn't unvote the first time?
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Wait was it because I didn't unvote the first time?
Maybe.
Hammer, shut up :V
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Reg Shoe (5) - Bogmire, Kukaku Shiba, Pamela Ibis, Sid Barett, Remilia Scarlet (L-0)
Bogmire (4) - Munak, Reg Shoe, Youmu Konpaku
Not voting: No one!
Reg Shoe, the Scum Crafty Janitor, has been lynched!
Role: Crafty Janitor
Abilities: - During each night phase, you may ##Demask another player. You will be PMed the name of the player behind their anonymous mask as soon as the night phase ends.
- Once at least one of your scumbuddies has been eliminated, you will obtain the one-shot ability to ##Sweep another player. Not only will you kill them, but their role and alignment will be concealed until you die. If your kill is succesful, you will be informed of the role, alignment and player identity of your target. However, your shot will be used up regardless of whether the kill is succesful or not. This ability may be used alongside the scum nightkill, provided that you yourself are not the one on nightkilling duty. Unfortunately, it may not be used in a MYLO or LYLO situation.
- Players may not reveal the identities of your targets anywhere outside of the scum quicktopic, unless your targets have already done so themselves. This goes for your buddies as well.
In other news, Elizabeth Bathory was a Vanilla Townie.
You have 28.5 hours to send your night actions to both Edible and myself. Extra time to prevent the end-of-day from being at an inconvenient hour for me.
Please do not post during the night phase unless your role allows you to do otherwise.
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claims should come, powers told,
town will hold. Eight and Twelve, but
Eight will meet her fate.
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Bogmire, the Town Activist Vigilante, was killed overnight!
Role: Activist Vigilante
Abilities: - During the night phase, you may consume one usage of your ability to ##Kill another player, removing them from the game. This ability currently has zero usages remaining.
- Your ability gains a single usage every time a phase passes by with zero deaths.
- You may not use your ability two nights in a row.
You have 72 hours left in the day. With 6 votes active, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
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##Vote Munak
Your the last one left aren't you?
You rode through Day 1 and 2, and 3 by purely declaring you want Pamela to be dead. But saying that no one is interested so, you go the likely lynch.
Extreme tunneling?
Munak supposes that she can see the case on Bogmire.
Munak hasn't reread Bogmire or corporal Shoe properly yet.
Munak will try to do these soon.
Reread of Shoe? I believe it had not shown up.
His next post few post was attacking Bogmire as hard as possible.
But he did NOT mention Reg Shoe, his only content of Reg Shoe after a promised reread was this.
Munak wonders why Bogmire calls out corporal Shoe for dropping a case on miss Youmu when Munak has done the same for now.
A indirect defense of Reg Shoe.
I find this to be more then enough reason to lynch you.
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WHO THE HELL HAMMERS AT TEN IN THE BLOODY MORNING?!
The annoyance of being cut by a hammer post knows no bounds. Remilia, for future reference, if no one answers you when you ask if you should hammer six hours early, it's because no one is around yet because it's the bloody morning so DON'T DO IT.
As much as I want to strangle Remilia with my mind, I think it would be more irritance and paranoia after the flip. I think Sid has the right of it. The jagaimo shi has spent the entire game tunneling on every non-evil dead counterwagon in existence. He wasn't just after Pamela, he was after Bathory too because haet. Still keeping an eye on Remilianigans but to start the day:
##Vote: Munak
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Master, you'd keep Munak if she were useful, right?
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Munak hates D5.
Munak is horrible at finding scum and Munak is not scum herself is all Munak can say, really.
Munak did and still does dislike miss Pamela.
Munak thought that Bogmire was more likely to be scum than corporal Shoe, much like how Munak believed that , but alas.
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That is pretty lackluster there jagaimo shi. Why is Pamela evil dead?
Dear rest of the zombies.
If you helpfully check you will realize the day has started. Insert posts or Youmu will die of boredom. SAY SOMETHING YOU CORPSES.
Signed,
Myon~
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Forget the haters, Remilia, you were awesome yesterday
Munak, could you please claim for the thread?
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Don't give me that. >_> Even if the target was right it was an awful way to go about it. It's always suspicious when someone's okay with hammering without a claim.. or input from the rest of anyone. It was rushed and killed discussion way too early. I know it seems like arguing semantics at this point but it's at least something she should know not to do.
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She was just excited to catch her first scum without actually having to just bandwagon.
Plus she ended up turning Bogmire from the proposed mislynch to the nightkill.
I think she deserves some positive reinforcement even if she made a few minor mistakes.
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I think this conversation should be left til post game. Suffice it to say I don't feel that the correct aspects of her play will be reinforced by congratulating her. But maybe I'm just curmudgeonly. Either way, it's irrelevant.
A Munak claim would be pretty nice, yes.
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I don't really see how congratulating her would reinforce the quickhammering, since it's already been made clear that this was a mistake. I figured it would help encourage her to keep scumhunting, whereas negative reinforcement would have just made her feel like there's no point to scumhunting.
...Munak sure needs to come and give us something else to talk about. :derp:
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Um... for me I hammered at 12:00-12:30AM. Timezones are a bitch.
I was waiting for you guys but even if you were making a post you should just make a quick one asking me to wait.
I gave you guys at least an hour of warning.
Thank you Pamela for being nice :)
And just double checking, how long till LYLO now (including NK's)?
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Oh and I wasn't going to be around for much longer after 12:00-12:30AM because I was going to go to sleep and I didn't want a no lynch again.
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Master, why do you look at me like that? Don't you want me anymore, master?
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Munak's master is not strong enough yet to augment Munak's power to anything above that of a Vanilla Townie.
Munak is making another post.
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I tried what Pamlea said to do yesterday on Munak. So far it's not looking that good and I'm only up to D3.
Munak has done some huge tunneling on Youmu, Bathory and Pamela. I would like to know why. As generally the only other people you mentioned were ones that were candidates for lynch that same day.
Her opinions don't look all that real either.
I think Munak is a very cunning scum who was disguised by potentially confusing post layouts and a townie veil.
I can put Munak at L-1 if you guys want.
Also Munak, I would like a claim too please.
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I had a quicktopic yesterday with Munak, which I continued with today.
She thought Remilia was scummy, and she waffled on Shoe.
I asked if she wanted to dump some leftover reads in the quicktopic I could reference, but she refused saying she'd rather just make a new post in the thread.
The QT is suppose to have a relaxing, but loud atmosphere.
I should have hit up Sid, at least he might have had something new to say.
I'm lonely ;_;
@Remi: we have more than enough votes to put on Munak. in fact, I'm surprized Kukaku hasn't dropped by yet. Let's wait and see what she wants to say first.
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##Vote: Munak
##Unvote
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Don't worry Pamela, I'll be here for you :) (note: this is not buddying, just being nice and friendly). Make a QT with me and we can have some fun because I'll be there and I would try to post as much as I can.
Also I'll wait to vote then.
Cut by Kukaku being the usual troll.
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I asked if she wanted to dump some leftover reads in the quicktopic I could reference, but she refused saying she'd rather just make a new post in the thread.
You asked me to post my reads in the QT, I planned on doing that in topic, so I see no reason to post them explicitly in the QT.
To be honest, I don't really get the point of the QT at all.
I mean, I don't know whether or not you're scum, and anything that gets said in there between you and I would be much better placed out in the open.
Also Munak, I would like a claim too please.
I said it already, Vanilla Town.
I waffled on Shoe, yep.
I did not reread him and believed Bogmire to be scum.
Munak has done some huge tunneling on Youmu, Bathory and Pamela. I would like to know why.
Uh, because I wanted them lynched?
Making another post.
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I said it already, Vanilla Town.
Uh, because I wanted them lynched?
:facepalm: I can't read.
You can still wan't them lynched, that's fine for me. But you could've said more about everyone else. There was only a sliver of non-tunneling from you every 5 or more posts, and that is a very bad thing.
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EBWOP:Lol at the apostrophe in "wan't". Obviously meant to say "want"
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what am I gonna do, lie about what you say?
besides, you could always post gut feelings, random thoughts on the game, or other stuff that you don't feel directly contributes to the game. I'm going to have to release all of my quicktopics in the game so people and see how a town/town QT differs from a Town/Scum QT.
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what am I gonna do, lie about what you say?
Sure, why not?
Anyway, let's do this, Remilia or Pamela is scum.
Making another post.
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Pamela release the QT's if you can.
Also I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaalllyyyy want to vote Munak.
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I'd prefer it if you didn't, but if you're going to, wait until I get to say the stuff I want to say first. :/
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Fine, I'll wait.
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I can't yet, the game's still going.
Also, I would never, ever lie about what's being said in the quicktopic.
It would be too easy to trace it back to me.
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D:
Also, lol.
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Anyway, Remilia.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692393.html#msg692393
Waffle on Necro. No vote on Ayumu.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692410.html#msg692410
Wants person she thinks is scummiest to make themselves look better?
Uh huh. And if Ayumu were to look better, your vote would have gone... where?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692421.html#msg692421
What the hell is the first part of this even supposed to be?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692859.html#msg692859
Uh, okay, you suspect Necro because... early game stuff and now he looks better but he's still the second scummiest to you?
Also, slow response = possibly stalling to you. Okay.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692868.html#msg692868
Nice parrot and fencesit.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693451.html#msg693451
And suddenly, suspicion of Pamela.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693455.html#msg693455
Nice parrot.
I like you only went for people after other people had already voiced their suspicion of them.
And even then, you didn't add any of your own opinions, you were content to simply parrot and chase bandwagons.
You did not mention anyone outside of people that other people were voicing suspicion of.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg694358.html#msg694358
Again, I like how you call someone out for tunneling, miss "I only look at whoever has a lot of suspicion on them already".
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg694451.html#msg694451
That post is all kinds of weird to me.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696127.html#msg696127
Suddenly, the Pamela case has been dropped completely because Pamela posts a bit more.
Forget about everything else I parroted, I wasn't really paying attention, anyway, Pamela is totally town for posting as much as any other person, right?
People are getting suspicious of Kukaku Shiba! Must jump onto the wagon!
Original case? Psh. Let's just copy what other people had to say.
Continued fencesitting on Necro.
Bathory seems suspicious. No reasons given. Also the first time to mention Bathory, and only after I had raised my own suspicions about Bathory.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696134.html#msg696134
Admitting to parrotting the case on Kukaku?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696216.html#msg696216
Huh, where did that stuff on Youmu come from? Also, uh, doesn't "Possibly scum" sound scummier than "Neutral leaning scum"?
It sounds like you thought that Youmu was scummier than Kukaku. Why keep your vote on Kukaku?
Great contributions, no?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697145.html#msg697145
Whee, parrot.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697170.html#msg697170
Does Remirya want a cracker?
Also, that question at the end could have easily been resolved by yourself if you read through the topic again.
Why did you feel the need to bring that up, anyway? Needed confirmation before you added it to your borrowed case?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697226.html#msg697226
Whee wagon hops.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg697835.html#msg697835
Fence sitting?
The rest of Day 3 is pretty much poking Kukaku for answers and a post trying to decipher Count's haiku.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg699351.html#msg699351
Where did Bogmire scum come from, anyway?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg699387.html#msg699387
Whee, that's a lot of AtE.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg699453.html#msg699453
More AtE.
Day 4 and 5 really don't have much.
Making more posts.
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1.Wants person she thinks is scummiest to make themselves look better?
Uh huh. And if Ayumu were to look better, your vote would have gone... where?
2.Uh, okay, you suspect Necro because... early game stuff and now he looks better but he's still the second scummiest to you?
3.I like you only went for people after other people had already voiced their suspicion of them.
And even then, you didn't add any of your own opinions, you were content to simply parrot and chase bandwagons.
You did not mention anyone outside of people that other people were voicing suspicion of.
4.Again, I like how you call someone out for tunneling, miss "I only look at whoever has a lot of suspicion on them already".
5.Suddenly, the Pamela case has been dropped completely because Pamela posts a bit more.
6.Bathory seems suspicious. No reasons given. Also the first time to mention Bathory, and only after I had raised my own suspicions about Bathory.
7.Huh, where did that stuff on Youmu come from? Also, uh, doesn't "Possibly scum" sound scummier than "Neutral leaning scum"?
It sounds like you thought that Youmu was scummier than Kukaku. Why keep your vote on Kukaku?
8.Where did Bogmire scum come from, anyway?
1. I was saying that if Ayumu didn't make themselves look better, then I would keep my vote on him. If he did look better then I don't know where it would've gone.
2. I couldn't find anyone else that scummy at the time.
3. I have a tendency to rely on other people to take the initiative. It comes with newb status.
4. I have mentioned other people many times before. Whereas you haven't done it much at all.
5. I dropped the case because I thought Pamela's posts were much better.
6. I completely forgot about Bathory before that. As she was lurking so bad. And that was around the time she started looking bad.
7. Possibly scum meant that I thought they were town but there was a veeeeeeerrrrrrryyyyyy slight chance they could be scum (in some cases, more of a chance).
8. That was around the time that I realised how bad Bogmire was.
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And Pamela.
Too lazy to link everything again.
Pamela's D1 involved her lurking, and hopping onto Ayumu's wagon when the day was nearing its end.
On D2, Pamela misrepped Necro.
Pamela says that she dropped her case on Youmu when D2 started, and Pamela's D1 post was pretty late into the day. What changed there anyway?
Pamela was also cheerleading the Kukaku Shiba wagon, which I really don't like.
Also, I find this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696046.html#msg696046) to be really weird.
Making another post.
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It looks like you had many more reasons to go after me instead of Pamela. So why not go after me earlier? The amount of bad things for me was so much greater than Pamela's.
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Remilia: When I say you cut me with a hammer, I literally mean I was frantically typing GOD NO STOP as you were fixing your vote. Then Edible was Not Amused (tm) and shut down the topic. Normally I'm still asleep at that hour too, my sense of dramatic irony woke me up. I mentioned this before Remilia, but instead of just saying you realized someone looked bad, point us to the post that made you realize how good/bad someone looked and explain to us why it did that, it'll make it easier to understand you.
Pamela: :< That's what happens when you interface with a jerk.
Munak: She can't lie about what you say in the QT. (and she would have done it by now to us if she had an agenda). Personally we found it a useful tool and it's not even our power.
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RE:"Pamela says that she dropped her case on Youmu when D2 started, and Pamela's D1 post was pretty late into the day. What changed there anyway?"
Quicktopic with Youmu.
I'm serious, a T/T QT =! T/S QT. For instance, town don't have any reason to refuse a light banter with another member of the game, but a mafioso might because that would require letting your guard down and making mistakes or showing off you know more. When I spoke with MGG, I was worried because I knew I wasn't stimulating conversation, and I didn't know for certain she was scum until she fakeclaimed. I've given you plenty of time, and plenty of chances to do so, but you don't seem interested for some reason.
RE:"Also, I find this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg696046.html#msg696046) to be really weird."
I was, in my mind, trying to justify why the Kukaku lynch didn't feel right, and trying to answer the question of why Kukaku would want to sacrifice herself in order to protect someone whom I thought was definite scum at the same time. It turned out that my logic was partially true, too, since Kukaku did end up being a role that subverted death.
@Youmu: I miss you, too~ :<
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@Youmu:
Oh, sorry then. I probably should've waited a little bit longer then.
Also, what part of them looked bad was all the posts put together when mentioning already dead people. It looked so bad. Especially considering how many posts were for each person. Munak even wrote a post dedicated to Bathory and it consisted of 25 lines I think. Also I only got into D3 and he had only talked bout MGG once. And he didn't talk about Reg Shoe much at all.
@Pamela:
Make a QT with me!! We can have so much fun!! :3
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Munak's post really doesn't show much. The fact that he has 2 suspects at this junction with 1 scum left, is...unsettling.
At the moment, I find that theres really nothing else to work with.
Also, I'm going to have to ask again, what were the cases against Youmu and Pamela?
After you have declared it for so much, it pains me to say I do not remember it.
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Writing more but I'm tired so I'll get to it tomorrow.
Before I go, despite all that, I still think that Pamela is more likely to be scum than Remilia.
##Vote Pamela Ibis
Munak: She can't lie about what you say in the QT. (and she would have done it by now to us if she had an agenda). Personally we found it a useful tool and it's not even our power.
I mean after the QT partner dies, but whatever.
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Unless you were going to kill yourself I don't see that being a problem
Pamela already had an opportunity to do this, when we were under fire. Instead of helping haul us to the gallows when we were attacking what you're proposing is her scum partner, she supported us and definingly got Mean Scum Girl lynched. I don't think Pamela is heartless enough to make that kind of play as an evil dead.
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Well, yeah, I could lie at any time about what goes on in a quicktopic after the other person dies. This is true regardless of whatever you choose to or choose not to post in the quicktopic. Heck, I could do that with Mean Ghost girl right now if I wanted to. CUT: by an even better explination for why this reason doesn't fly.
You seem to be grasping at reasons why your unwilling to converse with me isn't scummy. Since you're carrying a case on me that has been sung unchanged from before we even started lynching scum, I believe you've been caught in a trap where you have to push a case you know you can't push in order to salvage town cred.
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so, I'm bored.
Is there anything else we should address?
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##Vote: Youmu Konpaku
##Unvote
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Munak (2) - Sid Barett, Youmu Konpaku
Pamela Ibis (1) - Munak
Not voting: Everyone else
You have ~49 hours remaining. With 6 votes active, it takes 4 to lynch.
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so, I'm bored.
Is there anything else we should address?
...Lets see...
5 People alive.
Has anyone noticed that even though Pamela revealed her role, she was not NKed?
Yet, when Bogmire revealed his role, he turned up dead the next day. Anyone else see what I'm seeing?
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Apparently that depends on who you ask. Before we consider today wrapped up (and this is something I disagree with Sid about, suspecting more then one person isn't a scumtell) we should talk about worst case scenarios. There's alot of good evidence towards most of us but, there's technically no confirmed town. Except Kukaku, who won't be here if there's a tomorrow. We've made it this far, let's not get cocky. When Myon is finished working we'll do a look over everyone in case we missed something.
Cut by Sid: It could mean alot of things. Now isn't the time to be vague.
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Since you're carrying a case on me that has been sung unchanged from before we even started lynching scum, I believe you've been caught in a trap where you have to push a case you know you can't push in order to salvage town cred.
And what is it that invalidates my old case on you, anyway?
Going to try to make another post, if it's not up within the hour, I went to uni and you're going to have to wait a while for it.
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##Vote:Munak
##Unvote
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It's really depressing to see activity levels like this.
I was unable to access the computer since my last post so that doesn't count.
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And what is it that invalidates my old case on you, anyway?
from before we even started lynching scum
The way you worded your case on me indicates that you stopped reading at the beginning of day three when Mean Ghost Girl was lynched.
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I think I should vote Munak now. Because I really want to
and I forgot last time.
So I'll do it unless you guys don't want me to yet.
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So basically just say if you're fine/not fine with me voting Munak.
Just to be sure nothing bad happens.
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Actually screw it, I'm voting now.
##Vote:Munak
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Geez, I said I was making more posts. Whatever.
Also, I fail to see how the points about Pamela's earlier play are invalidated.
Pamela's complete clear of Youmu coming from the neighbourizing. I don't particularly like it. This is for both Youmu and Pamela.
This is related to the way I think, but I honestly cannot see how anything said in Pamela's QTs would not serve a better purpose if said directly into the topic.
I mean, Pamela kept asking me for my reads, why should I put them in the QT and not the actual topic?
Similarly, Pamela and Youmu have had a clear on each other from Day 3 based on... what exactly? Who knows outside of those two?
Anyway.
Also, I disagree heavily with that second question, since it seems to imply that the old waves are still viable.
I don't get it, man.
Pamela's attitude towards cases seem to be: "It happened a while ago, I've forgotten about it and therefore it is not a thing that matters at all."
What is that, man?
Let's see if I can get more posts out.
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Your never going to get any more posts at this rate..... (not a threat)
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Don't worry, if you say you have more posts to get out, I'll wait for you until then.
The reason for my stance on old cases is because there's always new information coming into the game as people post and lynch. If you insist on using a case that doesn't take into account new information, then you're using a case that is little better than a die roll. If you can't make a case on someone using new information, then chances are you're wrong.
We lynched Reg shoe yesterday because Remilia went back and looked over shoe's posts. Remilia used all of the information we had to determine if Shoe was scum or not. She didn't just use his posting style from day 1, and the flips of two people out of the nine we have today. She used his posting style of the entire game, and the flips of all six people that we had yesterday. If Reg Shoe was alive and Remilia was pushing that case unchanged from yesterday today, then it would still be more valid than your case on me.
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:ohdear:
Where is everyone?
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C'mon you guys, post some more.
..........Please?
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is deadline today or tomorrow?
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Munak (3) - Sid Barett, Youmu Konpaku, Remilia Scarlet
Pamela Ibis (1) - Munak
Not voting: Kukaku Shiba, Pamela Ibis
You have ~27 hours remaining. With 6 votes active, it takes 4 to lynch.
Munak is at L-1!
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So, I was waiting for Myon, who appears to have dropped off the face of the internet. I apologize for the lack of activity but we generally like talking things over before posting. Seeing as she's been gone for almost a full day, I'm kind of really worried but will try to carry things as best I can. Lemme catch up.
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So, what I see is Munak COMPLETELY ignoring Myon's point about the fact that, uh, Pamela swung a wagon off us...and onto scum. And still thinks Pamela is scum...why?
/me facepalms at Remilia vote.
Well, at least it was only L-1 this time! Munak claimed already, right? If not, claim
Munak's next post is attacking our secret awesome Neighbor QT...why? I mean, can you at all tell me what's scummy about this? We're clearly not in lylo or Kukaku wouldn't exist. So we can't be scum covering for each other. What's your point?
Munak has basically been generating noise that's barely worth responding to. He can really die any time. I leave the hammer to Pamela or Shiba, really (for obvious reasons). I trust you two not to let him reach deadline.
So...is there anything else of importance to discuss? This feels really open and shut...
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...We going to need a flip, and depending on that. Conspiracy Theories and Bussing Theories Ahoy~
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FoS Sid
Why are you acting as if this isn't the last day? Your last post feels exceptionally weird.
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FoS Sid
Why are you acting as if this isn't the last day? Your last post feels exceptionally weird.
Because its getting BORING!
It was all tense in the beginning for me. Now this is just feels so much slower. Also, It was MYON who was talking about worse-case situations. I'm exclaiming what would happen if this isn't.
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Three things come to mind;
1. waiting for Munak to finish making her case on me.
2. roleclaims for everyone (Can wait until tomorrow)
3. Rereading and addressing Sid everyone besides Munak Sid.
I suppose I'm overthinking this. There's no real reason to wait for any of these things, especially since Munak's been stalling.
Cut: I don't think it's especially scummy to consider we might be wrong on this, even if everyone feels Munak has the most likely chance of being scum. At least Sid isn't trying to push extra cases for "Just in case it doesn't end."
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I know what you're saying. I know what Myon said. Something just feels WEIRD about the way Sid phrased that to the point I'm wondering if we're wrong. I'll try to look over him and get something out tonight regarding my opinion. I'm really busy for the next few hours though.
To add to the fun, I might not have access this weekend because of the ~*~hurricane~*~. Hoping it doesn't come to that.
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##Vote: Youmu Konpaku
##Unvote
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Myon's Log, Day 1
The Robot Unicorns are attempting to wrest our connection back from the rocks. Everywhere the stars appear as we blast through them, only to appear again, when will the high score be enough? The sound of the dolphins cheering is the only thing that keeps me sane. :ohdear:
So I'm gonna post super short version of Paranoia City since I have no time
Sid: I forgot about this before, but Reg Scum was protecting him much earlier when we pointed suspiciously. If anyone else has time to look over Reg see if it looks suspicious?
Remilia: #$#$#$
Pamela: Best Friends Forever <3 Okay I'm going to pretend this could be possible. About the only thing I can accuse Pamela of is being late to the wagons, so.. Pamela, why did you wait so long to vote for Mean Scum Girl and Reg Scum?
Uh, yeah, that's about it. It's like grasping at straws. I wonder if that's because Munak is scum. :)
OH NO IT'S GOING FASTER HIT DASH HIT DASH MY EYES ARE OPEN!
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Yay! You guys finally posted. It's about time.
Vote Munak you guys. Lynch teh scumz.
How many mislynches do we have till LYLO assuming one scum left obviously?
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I agree with Sid that this game is starting to get boring.
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We are voting Munak. Votecounts exist to tell you these fun facts.
Pamela and Kukaku are the only ones NOT voting Munak. And honestly, they can do that at will.
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I know you're voting Munak. I'm just trying to get the others to vote Munak.
Munak is just stalling the game away. We're probably not going to get any more useful information for the rest of this day if we keep waiting for Munak to post something good..
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Sorry, not going to be able to do much today, actually.
Pamela > Youmu = Remilia >Sid is my scum reads.
Everyone is scum.
My apologies to town.
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Somewhere around 17 hours remain in the day. No changes in votes.
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@mod: I really think you should start the deadline deduction thing Bardiche did last game. Hopefully that will stop everyone lurking.
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A bit late for that.
Somewhere around 15 hours remain in the day. No changes in votes.
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All this lurking is getting really annoying.
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Yeah, everyone here looks like they're done.
for MGG, it was because I got a new videogame and spend the next two days in a row staying up until 3 in the afternoon playing it. for all that time, I hadn't checking into the QT I had with her, or the thread. This is why I said before that I was worried that I didn't give MGG enough chances to talk to me, since I didn't come back until 12 hours to deadline.
Ultimately, it was Bathory's case on her that convinced me she was scum, plus the fact that I thought Lizzy was town even after her non-flip.
I don't know why I didn't vote Reg Shoe off the bat. Probably because, unless it's day one, I tend to consider my vote a complete condemnation of the person, and wanted to wait for his response first. I'm just going to have to write it off as meta, since I did the same thing with Munak today.
##Vote: Munak
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Hammer, shut up.
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Munak (4) - Sid Barett, Youmu Konpaku, Remilia Scarlet, Pamela Ibis
Pamela Ibis (1) - Munak
Not voting: Kukaku Shiba
Munak, the Vanilla Townie, has been lynched!
You have 24 hours to send in your night actions to Edible and myself.
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As an additional note, if you've been keeping track of the players this game, now would be a good time to send in your anonymous mask guesses, seeing as the town is entering endgame.
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Pamela Ibis, the Town Nosy Neighborizer, was killed overnight!
Role: Nosy Neighborizer
Abilities: - During the night phase, you may ##Neighborize another player. The following morning, you will learn who they targeted on the night you neighborized them, and will then be able to talk to them within a specialized quicktopic for the rest of the day.
- Neighbor quicktopics will be closed when the day phase ends.
- Any messages posted within a neighbor quicktopic must obey the game rules as much as a post inside the game thread would.
Kukaku Shiba has vanished! She may no longer post anything in this thread for the rest of the game.
You have 72 hours left in the day. With 3 votes active, it takes 2 votes to lynch.
Town is in a Lynch or Lose situation! If they do not succesfully lynch scum today, then the game will be called in a scum victory.
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Oh, no. It's LYLO. I was hoping I wouldn't make it this far. Oh, well guys. I'm sorry if I cost town the game (not claiming I'm scum, jus saying that I am terribad town).
I'm guessing that's why scum didn't NK me.
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(http://i.imgur.com/xoEmb.jpg)
Well, we THINK it's Sid, but we'll be rereading you both over the course of the next 24 hours. Look forward to our beautiful cases, okays~?
Oh, also, given MotK town's AMAZING track record in LYLO, we feel the need to say...
NOBODY FUCKING VOTE!
Also, now would be the time to post reads, Sid and Remilia. Remilia, your first lylo post is pretty terrible!
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It's too late to go back now, Remilia. It's early to be apologizing, but there's no one left for you to follow. We need to know that you can make a decision on your own, just this once. There's only two of us left. Who do you think is the scum and why?
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Based on Pamela flipping town. I would say Sid is scum (though I think he's scum regardless, Pamela flipping town just boosts the case).
She was at your throat early in the game as Bathory stated. But then the two of you had a QT together, and then you were certain of each other's towniness. Something must've happened between the two of you for a change that sudden in opinion. If a town thinks your definitely town. Then that is a good sign for you.
Plus Pamela also showed signs of suspicion on Sid. Which also makes a difference.
My main point in my version of the case would be about all of the tunneling he did.
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I explained my side of the story, but Pamela's flip makes it easy to understand why she cleared me now. She wasn't just a neighbourizer, she was a ~Tracker~ who saw that I didn't go anywhere when she visited me. We've already seen two of the evil dead were power roles. This implies either the last scum is a plain Goon, in which case they would have done the kill and Pamela would have stayed at my throat, or they're some kind of power role, in which case I would have gone somewhere and Pamela strikes me as thoughtful enough to have asked about it yesterday.
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Which reminds me. It is time for Claimies! We're a
Town Hydra the true OP role Vanilla Townie with the ability to yell really loudly. I would normally demand Sid claim next but he's kind of not here, so..
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I am a Vanilla Townie too.
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Waiting for Sid then~
While we're here, be less vague for me, which tunneling are you referring to, and on what days? Links to the posts help.
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All the tunneling he did on me in early game. Plus I think he did some tunneling on you and Necro in D2.
I don't really need to link posts, you just have to look at all of Sid's posts.
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We have, it's just relevant to know where your own viewpoint is coming from. I think you're focusing on the wrong things though. It's easy to get defensive, but it's hard to find connections.
For example, when your eyes turn to the tunneling he did on you and me, mine flicker to how in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg693551.html#msg693551) Sid's first line is a throwaway suspicion comment on Reg Shoe that never goes anywhere. Reg answered him in a following post, but Sid doesn't mention him again until Day 4. The tunneling combined with that looks more suspicious then either piece alone.
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I see where your coming from, and I do agree that it looks very suspicious.
I really want to vote Sid now.
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:p Honestly, we already know we're not scum. Whether you vote or not depends on whether you trust us now. Looking at your own interactions with Reg Scum, it looked like he wanted to lynch you as fast as possible on Day 1, so either you're the towniest town here or he wanted to bus you that much.
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Pick the first option.
So are you definitely fine with me voting?
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Only if it's not for us. It means we won't hold it against you while reviewing you.. Sid probably will when he gets back, or he'll be happy that there's only one option to make a case on.
Also I just really like being confirmed town. B) All should cower in the face of Youmu and Myon!
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Okay then, here goes nothing.
##Vote:Sid Barett
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:yukkuri: :yukkuri: :yukkuri: :yukkuri: :yukkuri:
##VOTE: SID BARRET
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ALL. MY. TEARS.
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^_^/ We did it Youmu! We solved the incident!
WE KILLED ALL THE ZOMBIES!
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##Vengeful Shot: Youmu
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Shutup Kukaku! YOU'RE DEAD. FOREVER.
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CONQ. LET'S FORGET ABOUT THIS GAME AND ELOPE. (Please don't stab me like Bard)
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Youmu enters the town square, staring suspiciously at Sid and Remilia. Remilia apologizes for still being alive...er...dead, and Sid stands there stoicly, ruminating on the man he was. Youmu draws her swords...
"Both of you...it's BOTH OF YOU CAUSING THIS! ALL THE BLOOD SHED, ALL THE SORROW, ALL THE DESTRUCTION!"
*shwing*
With a dash, Youmu cuts off Sid's head, and then drives her short sword through the brain.
"ALL THE ZOMBIES!"
*swoosh*
Remilia has a sword poking through her chest, where her black heart should be.
"NEED"
*twist*
"TO"
*vertical slash*
"DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Another dash, finishing the extraction of Remilia's still beating heart, which is finally slowing to a stop. Youmu falls to her knees, breathing heavily. After a moment, you hear a slight giggle from her. Then another...and another.
It builds to full out laughter, a twisted manic laughter as she takes in the bodies surrounding her. They'll never revive again. Never. Never.
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Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never
Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never
Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never Never
KYAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I was so totally expecting that.
GG everyone. This was an awesome second game. I was so happy I got to LYLO even though I said I wanted you guys to lynch/NK me.
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I failed everyone.
I'm so ashamed of myself.
I seriously thought Munak was some sort of godmother role. :qq:
I knew with my role active, it was impossible for scum to win, but it never occurred to me that I would be nightkilled. I'm so sorry.
Remilia, learn this lesson well.
This is why you never vote people so recklessly.
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:P
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I seriously thought Munak was some sort of godmother role. :qq:
OH.
MY.
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Don't feel so bad Zak. You were dealing with both Shadoweh and I trying our hardest to con you. It was 2 on 1, and I even threw a bus in at the end to seal the deal. Not claiming results on Munak is about the only thing you did wrong, and even then it's debateable.
/me hugs Zak
@J.O.B: Admittedly we looked scummy as fuck going from "NOBODY FUCKING VOTE" to "oh you can vote if you want we promise not to quickhammer". But, I don't think you're very lylo experienced so it's just a live and learn thing. Another live and learn thing is to not hammer without asking for a claim, by the way. It worked out this time, and IIRC you did catch Reg for the right reasons, just something to stay mindful of in the future. Shadoweh and I were being meaner about it during the game because we were kind of going for a soft demoralize.
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I told you guys you should lynch me :V
Also derptown = best clear ever!
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GG all.
I. HATE. DAY. 5.
ZAKERI!
WHY DID YOU NEVER ASK YOUMU FOR A CLAIM IN D4?
YOU HAD A CLEAR FOR ME, YET YOU KILLED ME!
THIS IS WHY I WANTED MY PAMELA LYNCH!
In all seriousness, though, I deserved my lynch I really should have replaced out on D3 or D4.
I had personal issues that meant that I had barely any time to play the game at all during D3 and D4, and then I was sick during D5.
Sorry about that.
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Join Teamspeak to hear Dormio screeeeeming! :D
Zakky-chan ;-; ALL MY TEARS. I asked huh what if he would make us townie masons but he never replied.
I'M SO SORRYYYYYYY! I actually considered no-killing because you were our BFF, but you were too much the obvious kill for everyone. Irony, we kept you alive the entire time because we thought you were just a Neighbour.
I remembered back from BGoM that Zak said he never would have figured out I was scum. >.> I knew I could catch him with my feminine wiles the minute he sent us the quicktopic. <^_^>
Why did you never ask us to claim? You knew we had a role silly!
HI DORMIO! DID YOU ENJOY DAY 5?! I PLANNED IT JUST FOR YOU!
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Uhhh, Dormio. I saw you on the forums during most of D5. You were in your normal account.
You were so obviously stalling when you said you were making new posts.
Also I was sick during D3 I think (can't remember). I think it was a throat infection turned cold. So I had very bad headaches. I was surprised how well I could play then.
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Number of times game was reread: 2
Number of other mafia games read during this mafia: 10
High score in Robot Unicorn Attack: 52374 and rising!
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I asked huh what if he would be able to make me town.
I wonder if he rigged it so I would get town. As a learning experience.
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Also what Pamela said about me using Reg's posts throughout the whole game.
I never actually finished doing that for anybody.
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I doubt he rigged you as town. There are always lots of townies. <^_^>
PS: Jagaimo Shi wasn't stalling, he was sick too. I wasn't paying attention so I don't remember what your cases on Dormio Munak were.
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Uhhh, Dormio. I saw you on the forums during most of D5. You were in your normal account.
You were so obviously stalling when you said you were making new posts.
Also I was sick during D3 I think (can't remember). I think it was a throat infection turned cold. So I had very bad headaches. I was surprised how well I could play then.
I'm almost always on the forums. What about it?
I don't actually have a PC, you know. Only my laptop. Which I can use on my bed.
I would like to see you reread the thread and make posts when you're busy trying not to vomit (and failing to do so).
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PS: Jagaimo Shi wasn't stalling, he was sick too. I wasn't paying attention so I don't remember what your cases on Dormio Munak were.
The cases on me were basically "Munak didn't read D3/4". Which is a thing I can't deny, which is why I say I deserved my lynch.
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Well this game was a thing. Happy that I was on the right track for scum on D2, but disappointed that I chose to take the easy way out (even though I really thought Youmu was scum and wanted her
wiped off the face of the earth lynched).
One thing I noticed while rereading was that Reg Shoe practically blurted out the scum bussing strategy in thread. Why would you do that? :P
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I'm almost always on the forums.
Only my laptop. Which I can use on my bed.
You're so much like me already.
Also I had a bad fever which went as high as 38.9 degrees Celsius.
And I never got round to rereading the thread anyway. I got too bored.
EDIT: I had a gut read on Youmu from the time I said she was potentially scum.
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And that's why GUT =D is so great :P. Though if you want to improve, figure out why you had that read, J.O.B. Reread the game, try to pinpoint what made us scummy. People are all hoohah about cases so you need to be able to give them bits and pieces to satiate their urge for words.
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PS even though he's probably gone to sleep we should wait for huh what to announce the results.
I'm sure Sid is a governor or something even though I know he's vanilla townie
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I think why I had that read was because I thought Youmu was scum, she convinced me otherwise, but I still thought she could possibly be scum.
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Cases are good for convincing other people that you're right. And for making yourself look townie...maybe.
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Umu...that's a bit tautological. I more mean what evidence there was. The gut doesn't go off for no reason, usually. In my case, my gut goes off on people who feel like they have information they shouldn't have, among other things (which has led me to power role lynches with some regularity).
Actually, thinking on it, if we release the hydra QT, I reveal to Shadoweh a lot of my mafia theory. Not sure if it's right or wrong, but it feels like it makes sense. It might be a good read for you.
@Conq: Psh, cases making you look townie. I use UK MAGIC for that. Anyway, I'll note that while I say ~*~cases are scummy~*~, I'm lying. It's more I'm saying verbosity is anti town, and that it's better to condense your "case" to one or two concise, unarguable points. Basic facts that are scummy. No wiggle room. I'm not sure how to explain it better and I'm not sure I do it well myself, but that's the basic concept, IMO.
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Also, stop stealing my potential mentors everyone >:(
Also if I had unvoted at the last minute before you voted you would've been definite scum.
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Also if I had unvoted at the last minute before you voted you would've been definite scum.
That only works on IRC mafia. :P
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Not necessarily.
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If you had unvoted we'd have noticed in the post preview. Not a good gambit :P
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Oh yeah, I said I'd save this discussion for post game, so here goes.
What is the point of a neighborizor role?
What pro-town purpose does it serve?
What can you post in a temporary neighbor QT that would not be better in the actual game thread where everyone can see it?
Also, cut notifications means that ninja votes/unvotes don't work on the forums.
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I HATE MYSELF!
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Irony, we kept you alive the entire time because we thought you were just a Neighbour.
That was the whole point. :V But then you killed me anyway.
Why did you never ask us to claim? You knew we had a role silly!
I did in the QT, but I didn't push it because it was still only day 12.
WHY DID YOU NEVER ASK YOUMU FOR A CLAIM IN D4?
YOU HAD A CLEAR FOR ME, YET YOU KILLED ME!
I thought about asking Youmu and Sid to roleclaim on day 5. There's really nothing to say except there were so many, many things I could have done differently that would have caused, built, and solidified to lynch on the last scum. That's why I'm beating myself up so much over this.
I think I'm gonna cut myself :<
Cut by myself: I really do.
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If you had unvoted we'd have noticed in the post preview. Not a good gambit :P
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Nevermind then.
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Next game, you guys must lynch me D1 or NK me N1.
I've always wanted to have the Graveyard QT.
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Zak: You were still the reason that we even lynched any of the scum at all due to being the key swing vote both times, so don't feel too bad. :P
But yes, Shadoweh is clearly never to be trusted. :3
Cut by Job: There was no Graveyard QT this time.
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Pfffttt.
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But yes, Shadoweh is clearly never to be trusted. :3
~*~Quicklynch Shadoweh D1 Block~*~, I have made one. Who wants in?
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Wait, is game breaking information said in the Graveyard QT?
If so, do the people who are still taking part in the game but still dead actually gain access to it (a.k.a Kukaku and Count)?
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Oh yeah, I said I'd save this discussion for post game, so here goes.
What is the point of a neighborizor role?
What pro-town purpose does it serve?
What can you post in a temporary neighbor QT that would not be better in the actual game thread where everyone can see it?
Also, cut notifications means that ninja votes/unvotes don't work on the forums.
Neighborizer is tricky, but very valuable. There's a FREEDOM in a neighbor QT you don't have in the actual thread. One on one let's you say a lot more and flesh things out before putting them out in thread. It's like having a thoughts QT, except someone can look over your thoughts. The pro town purpose if you're both town is that security. The pro town purpose if you neighborize scum is that that freedom works against them. I've answered the third but I'll reiterate that, well, townies are jackals. They nitpick at what you say and will find something they like and run with it. It doesn't feel *safe* to post unrestricted reads. Hell, I hold back reads sometimes because I don't feel I'll be able to do any good with them til later. There's also a few intangibles. Sometimes it raises motivation, sometimes it allows for you to be snapped out of confirmation bias. Sometimes it's none of the above but something else good.
@Dormio: UK MAGIC. Your block is now the ~*~Quicklynch Durrmio D1 Block~*~ =D
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I wonder when my first non-Anonymafia game will be?
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The problem is that your situation assumes that you're talking to town.
Call me paranoid, but EVERYONE IS SCUM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
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I wonder when my first non-Anonymafia game will be?
It doesn't really matter when you claim in thread, does it? :V
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The problem is that your situation assumes that you're talking to town.
Call me paranoid, but EVERYONE IS SCUM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Actually, it assumes that you can figure it out within a few posts. Don't tell me you can't :3~
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I was so worried about claiming.
Should I come up with a fake-claim to seem more valuable? Should I not do that incase it looks scummy? I was so confused.
Speaking about claiming. What roles are generally good to claim?
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Um...as town, claim your real role. There are exceptions but seriously don't think about those. As scum, doctor is the stereotypical claim. Next would be an investigative role.
Never claim vanilla townie as scum. Except MAYBE in massclaim. You kind of have to read the set up. But if you're run to L-1? Claim a role you think is in the game, get it outted.
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I was so worried about claiming.
Should I come up with a fake-claim to seem more valuable? Should I not do that incase it looks scummy? I was so confused.
Speaking about claiming. What roles are generally good to claim?
As town, you should claim your own role.
Times when it's better to lie as town are few.
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Claiming my own role was what I thought I should do anyway.
I really was a Vanilla Townie.
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Also, as scum, if you claim doctor, won't it look suspicious if you don't end up getting NK'ed?
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And you were right to claim it. The only thing you did wrong in lylo was voting so fast (and honestly that's debateable. There's a lot of confirmation bias in lylo.)
@J.O.B: If you're run to L-1 and claiming, you're assumed to be sacrificing yourself. You claim a role to out town roles to be NK'd. There's some more complex theory here but I don't know how to put it to words.
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Hmmm. I see.
I'm so impatient, I already want to start another mafia game.
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They nitpick at what you say and will find something they like and run with it. It doesn't feel *safe* to post unrestricted reads. Hell, I hold back reads sometimes because I don't feel I'll be able to do any good with them til later. There's also a few intangibles. Sometimes it raises motivation, sometimes it allows for you to be snapped out of confirmation bias. Sometimes it's none of the above but something else good.
This so much.
Dormio, if you had just talked in the QT, given me any sort of reason to think you were town (Heck, you were already halfway there with the tracking results) I might have talked more. If I had talked more, I would have confided in the things I was thinking about, such as asking for roleclaims from everyone. I may have even jokingly talked about how Youmu is probably the last scum, and that might have pushed the conversation away from my derplynching you, and move onto looking somewhere else. This is why both people have to use the Neighborizer role in order for it to be used effectively.
job: Don't fakeclaim as town. Heck, look how far fakeclaiming got me this game, and I'm an expert on covering up my claims.
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Honestly, I'd kill to be a neighborizer sometime. I love starting a QT with the people I like playing with and starting some srs townie brainstorm sessions.
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I guess I have a completely different mindset to everyone else then. :(
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I really missed the scum QT this game. It's a lot harder without others to back you up.
Also Zakky was so nice to me in D5 :3
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oh
oh we won
cool :]
Also I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaack! I shouldn't have jumped on YoumUK/Shadoweh D3 without actually making a case on her :C Damn superbusser instincts. I was going fairly well for a little while though!
So, Pamela knew I was the voteblocker the whole time? Oh darny. I totally crumbed being a voteblocker in my first big post by the way, when I joked about stealing the votes of people who can't use them well. Like Elizabeth. >:I In the end we decided I shouldn't claim it though. And then I was at school all day at the end of D3 so I couldn't figure out what to fakeclaim, so I get home and it's like "OKAY 40 MINUTES LEFT WHAT DO I CLAIM OH GOD" "CLAIM WATCHER" "K" "YOU TARGETTED COUNT AND MUNAK" "K" and then I get ripped apart when I post it
eff
I did in the QT, but I didn't push it because it was still only day 12.
Oh god a 12 day game of mafia would be such a thing
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This game made me sad with terrible game play theories getting pushed that all of nobody ever seriously questioned. I was actually set to finally give up on MotK Mafia if that was how people were actually going to play and was eventually relieved to learn that at least one of the people pushing complete bullshit game play theory was scum.
I would wonder why anyone thought Pamela and Munak were scum because they were the two most screamingly obvious townies by the time Day 2 or 3 rolled around (seriously, it's like no one ever pays attention to anything Zakeri ever says, they just see that he posted and assume he's scum), but I was also fairly convinced Shoe was town and was completely sold on Bathory scum, so oops.
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I could not understand how Bathory was not a jester.
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I could not understand how Bathory was not a jester.
I could
her playstyle was obviously 100% town.
No scum would ever play that way.
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That was the only redeeming factor about it.
Clearly next time I flip scum I should bash my head into a wall 10 times and get drunk before every post so that I can be as confirmed town as she was. :]
edit:Oh wait but I don't drink :c
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Dormio believes that this is not a course of action that NeoSerela should take.
Dormio notes that NeoSerela is being mean. :(
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WAIT DUDE THERE'S NO FLIP SO SID WAS SCUM WHAT ARE ALL YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT.
TOWN WON THIS TOTALLY
Cut: Serela can just put on a puppet show. :V
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It's a bit late for that.
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Dormio notes that NeoSerela is being mean. :(
Normally it's everyone else doing it to me ;_;
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WAIT DUDE THERE'S NO FLIP SO SID WAS SCUM WHAT ARE ALL YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT.
TOWN WON THIS TOTALLY
HI5 CONQ.
WE WERE THE BEST MASONS EVER.
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Wasn't Conq the only mason in Shadoweh quest?
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This game made me sad with terrible game play theories getting pushed that all of nobody ever seriously questioned. I was actually set to finally give up on MotK Mafia if that was how people were actually going to play and was eventually relieved to learn that at least one of the people pushing complete bullshit game play theory was scum.
:ohdear: I like cases. And townie questioning. And big fat text walls of WRATH! I don't like being mean. ;_; I was the good cop. UK likes the GUT and the >=[!
(seriously, it's like no one ever pays attention to anything Zakeri ever says, they just see that he posted and assume he's scum)
We listened to Zakeri! ^_^ We defended our Townie Mason like he was a hero!
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So are scum allowed to NK if it's technically already LYLO (as in it was LYLO since the end of day lynch)?
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Scum are generally allowed to NK whenever the hell they want, once a night, usually. Along with any extra kills provided.
If there aren't enough townies to go around the game usually just ends.
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Yes but if they kill someone during an LYLO situation, wouldn't they win the game?
EDIT:Nvm.
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Night kills only occur at night?
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I kinda gave up on this game when there was no mass claim D4... with nobody even talking about the possibility even though I mentioned it in my Haiku. Then 15 hours before deadline I didn't get to post a haiku which would have stated that after munak, I thought the scum had to be one of the touhous....
Er D5 actually.
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GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
LYNCH ME WHEN I SLEEP MORE DAMMIT!.
I WAS SO PREPARED TO LYNCH YOU YOUMU!!!!!
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If I had been awake earlier I would have also had the same reaction..
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Next time around I need to make sure I have enough time to actually play before I sign up :ohdear:
Also I didn't end up suspecting Youmu at all. And only suspected Reg a small amount, and didn't really think about MGG... I should read some more past games before playing again.
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... Whoa.
I will say props to Count for doing such a good job. And I can see how Hero improved since last game. Good job you two.
The only thing I'm a little mad about this game is that Youmu and Myon were able to post and say "I'm Youmu and I think X but Myon thinks Y" and that I didn't realize this until RIGHT after I died, so I didn't say it.
Pishaw.
Can we have scum QT?
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Oh and this right after I died :V
[11:16] <Schezo> you wanna hear something funny?
[11:16] <Kitten4u> Sure
[11:16] <Schezo> I replaced in for Ayumu since HW needed two and got nightkilled the next day :V
[11:16] <Kitten4u> Ahaha
[11:18] <Kitten4u> Do you want to guess who killed you?
[11:18] <Schezo> you already know?
[11:18] <Kitten4u> I already know the scum team due to not being in the game! :D
[11:19] <Schezo> yeah the suspense is killing me, though I think it's good sign I was worth a NK right?
[11:19] <Kitten4u> Indeed
[11:21] <Schezo> `alright, done guessing, who killed me? :V
[11:24] <Kitten4u> Aw, you don't want to guess~?
[11:24] <Schezo> Youmu
[11:25] <Kitten4u> Yep! :V
[11:25] <Kitten4u> Shadoweh murdered you
[11:25] <Kitten4u> What a surprise
[11:25] <Schezo> Was it? :V
[11:26] <Kitten4u> Why do you two keep killing each other? :<
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It was my call to have you killed, Youmu only carried out the action as I couldn't Jan-Vig and NK.
but I was also fairly convinced Shoe was town and was completely sold on Bathory scum, so oops.
Guess I'm not as rusty as I thought I'd be :V
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Player List!
1. Arcueid Brunestud / Chaore - Vanilla Townie
2. Ayumu Aikawa / PX --> Schezo - Vanilla Townie
5. Elizabeth Bathory / Lady Lambdadelta & Dorian G. - Vanilla Townie
8. Munak / Dormio - Vanilla Townie
12. Remilia Scarlet / J.O.B - Vanilla Townie
13. Sid Barett / Hero999 - Vanilla Townie
3. Bogmire / That Guy --> capt. h - Town Activist Vigilante
4. Count von Count / ActionDan - Town Ghostwriter
6. Kūkaku Shiba / Conqueror - Town Chicago Voter
9. Necro Gardna / Affinity - Town Doctor
10. Pamela Ibis / Zakeri - Town Nosy Neighborizer
7. Mean Ghost Girl / NeoSerela - Scum Voteblocker
11. Reg Shoe / Pesco - Scum Crafty Janitor
14. Youmu Konpaku / UncertainKitten & Shadoweh - Scum Rolecop
Night Actions!
Night 1
Bog / That Guy - Abstain
Necro / Affinity - Protect MGG
Pamela / Zak - Neighborize Youmu (Result: Targeted Sid, also quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/3va75p2CsWb).)
MGG / Serela - Kill Arc
Reg Shoe / Pesco - Demask Elizabeth (Result: Lambda and Dorian)
Youmu / UKdoweh - Rolecop Sid (Result: Vanilla Townie)
Night 2
Bog / capt. h - Kill Necro
Necro / Affinity - Protect Youmu
Pamela / Zak - Neighborize MGG (Result: Targeted Elizabeth, also quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/vjucpjJV4CP).)
MGG / Serela - Voteblock Elizabeth
Reg Shoe / Pesco - Kill Elizabeth
Youmu / UKdoweh - Rolecop Ayumu (Result: Vanilla Townie)
Night 3
Pamela / Zak - Neighborize Munak (Result: Targeted nobody, also quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/CcQrGtw6XkmdY).)
Reg Shoe / Pesco - Sweep Elizabeth (Result: Vanilla Townie played by Lambda and Dorian, the latter of which he already knew)
Youmu / UKdoweh - Kill Ayumu
Night 4
Pamela / Zak - Neighborize Munak (Result: Targeted nobody, quicktopic stays.)
Youmu / UKdoweh - Kill Bogmire
Night 5
Pamela / Zak - Neighborize Sid (Result: Busy being dead)
Youmu / UKdoweh - Kill Pamela
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It's pretty disappointing that nobody really considered Youmu after her D4, but what can you do. I honestly thought the game was going to end in a town victory on D5 after I saw Reg flip. Town MVP was Conq, Scum MVP was Pesco but also possibly UKdoweh (I keep waffling over this in my mind <_<). I really have no idea how Bathory wasn't scum either.
Also, apologies for what happened at the end of Day 1. @_@ Had I been more mentally alert at the time I probably would have given town a 2-hour extension to be fair in the face of my earlier mistake, but unfortunately I was half asleep and wanted to get back to bed. The NL was almost entirely my fault.
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Oh right.
Scum Quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/B4wyEgvTJKWwe)
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Horray for getting night killed.
EDIT: Also, I was disappointed that Munak was still pushing Pamela, in spite of scum using two night actions between 2 kills and Pamela having a quick topic with Munak. Munak knew for a fact that Pamela used a night action, and that 2 scum used 2 different night actions. That would have at least made me hesitate to seriously push Pamela scum.
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Yeah, I typically don't let people kill and use night actions on the same night in my games (barring very special situations, but those would be reserved for a bastard game, which this was not).
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Oh right. Set-up comments, if any? I kind of panicked when the game started because I realized that hte 14p variation game scum a lot less leeway than the 16p version. I guess it worked out in the end, though.
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You know, Serela, the Bathory hate is REALLY uncalled for from you. It's bullshit like THAT that causes people to not want to play MotK Mafia. And yes, I know that I'm being hypocritical here and need to learn to be better about it. But, seriously, this non specific castigation bandwagon is pretty awful and it happens after every game. I think we should stop it. It's one thing to offer advice for improvement, and a whole other thing to just be "OH MANZ I WISH I HAD BEEN DRINKING TO POST AS BADLY AS HER". Seriously, cut it the fuck out, people.
Also, I apologize if anything I've said in this post game could be construed as such, and do invite being called out on this. I'd like to at least *try* to practice what I preach.
@Kilga: I hope you weren't referring to my game theory. Granted, I DID twist it in game to suit my needs, but I still do think there is a LOT of merit to conciseness and avoiding those fucking ridiculous point by point cases everyone seems to be in love with. You can cinch it in one or two points. Doing more just gives unnecessary wiggle room. (I will grant there are times you want to grant that wiggle room to see where they go.)
@HW: Set up seemed really good from my perspective. It was a pretty nice breath of fresh air for MotK, I think. Also, I loved the Activist Vig role. Might have been a bit TOO punishing on scum intentionally no killing in lylo though, though I guess that was the point :P. Either that or being kind to town's that couldn't get their act together D1 and lynch someone. No, I'm not referring to anything in particular, not at all~ (I know, the deadline thing made that weird, so I don't actually blame anyone :P)
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14-player games are inherently inbalanced, but I think we did the best we could on short notice. I do think the original 16-player variant was more strictly balanced, but that's how these things go.
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Also, at first I was confused why I couldn't get to the second page when on my anonyccount. Then I realized that apparently the previous user extended the posts per page. Derp.
It was like that when I got it.
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FYI, for those curious: The 16-player version had an additional goon and a Night Talker for town.
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I found it kind of funny that Affinity consistently doctor protected scum, instead of the "obvtown" players.
I'm surprised you allowed UK/Shadoweh OTP. It's unlynchable as scum meets obvtown as scum.
I would like to know what Affinity was thinking when she made her choices. I'm sorry to say that I would have a very hard time believing she was a doctor if she didn't protect Count day 2 even if she did claim, even though I had strong reason to suspect a doctor.
Also, what happened to "mass roleclaim via popcorning" in LyLo, UK? :V
Finally, as a note to UK - LLD's insanity is your obvscum. If I see you playing in a way that makes me think you're LLD, I will try for your lynch, because LLD's behavior, coming from you, is unacceptable (meaning obvscummy). I apologize for not continuing to push your lynch on day 4.
Incidentally, you had some words for my mafia theory. Do you still have comments about my mafia theory, now that we know you were scum, or were you just saying that because you were scum?
@Huh What - I think the 16 player version would have been too unbalanced in favor of scum.
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Activist Vig actually started out as one of HW's fakeclaims elsewhere :V
Anyhow, the setup seems pretty good, if a bit focused on postdeath abilities for town.
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On that note, I can't hold the Bathory hate too much against NeoSerela (even though she was scum) since it depends on the player. I would never accept Bathory's play from UK, and if UK tried that, I would lynch UK on spot.
On theory - I don't think a lack of confidence is a scum tell. A lack of confidence indicates that the player is unsure of what the proper lynch is. It means they are considering the lynch. I consider absolute confidence much more scummy, because it means the player isn't seriously considering other lynches (and players). But that's just me.
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Thing about confidence is that if you don't show it as town scum will never be afraid of you. I will never let anyone see just how much I waffle when I play town. There is absolutely no need for it as all it would do is make me look less convincing to town and less of a threat to scum.
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Um, I think it was about LOGIC, right?
Nah, just what I always say. People aren't rational actors. Or, as K4U puts it, Townies Are Weird. There's SOME amount of logic, but you're going to also have to consider intuition, capt. h. Relying *only* on logic will just catch you bad townies. Basically, everyone drops "scumtells". That's why I don't like them. Everyone will do something that's a bit more likely for scum to do than town. But sometimes they'll just do that ONE townie thing that makes them obv. You need to be able to find that. You'll also need to be able to recognize the lack of it as being scummy in some cases.
As for LLD's behavior, I think she errs on the wrong side of cases are scummy and never reveal your town reads. I've talked to her about this. As the number of votes on a town read increases, the more you need to share with the class. And the less people voting your scum suspect, the more carrots you need to provide to get town to go along with it. Relying only on people respecting your GUT =D only goes so far. There's an organic process to it I couldn't begin to explain.
You're right that I coast more on the rhetoric on those two rather than their actual meaning when I'm scum, which is a good catch.
@That Guy: I figured the after death abilities were part of the theme. I liked them.
@capt. h: Look, I don't care if the hate is "deserved" or not, it's this ELITIST BULLSHIT that drives people away. You weren't in #s-l last night but Rou was talking about how he quit playing mafia pretty much because of how awful the postgame was to him. I would not be surprised if this really hurts other people. CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, PEOPLE! That's all I'm asking, ok?
You think Bathory is terrible and would never accept her play from me. That's great, but why? What makes her terrible? What do you think she needs to improve?
K4U covers my point on confidence well, and you're going to mislynch me a lot if you use that as a scum tell.
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Good Job Shadoweh/UK.
NeoSerela can bitch at me all she wants, but I still got her lynched. -shrug-
Oh, and so people were aware: D1 and D2 was controlled completely by Dorian. If you're going to attack MY play, please start at D3 onward.
(Note: Anyone attacking DORIAN'S play this game WILL get a scathing PM from me later. ^-^)
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Dorian needs to post more :smug:
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/me sighs
I'm not sure if that was your intent, LLD, but you still come off as arrogant. Please don't do any "scathing PMs" or anything. I know you're protective of your friends, but there's a way to do this in a way that makes everyone happy. And perpetuating the fighting is not that way.
Also Pesco is right :P.
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Well, to be honest UK, Bathory needs to explain herself better. She needs to give us cases to go with, rather than questionable votecount analysis that is based on gut town reads and process of elimination. She needs to then expand her cases once she has her scum picks; she thought Munak was scummy, but it was based entirely on VCA that I disagreed wtih, so she needs to pull additional reasons for her suspicions outside of the ones she gives. If she is going to explain her scum reads based on her town reads, it is essential that she explain her town reads as well, otherwise there is no case.
Bathory did not explain herself well enough and did not put enough evidence into her individual cases, and that part at the end of day 3 with the VCA was extremely frustrating because I cannot understand how a player thinks if the player refuses to explain themselves. This makes it very difficult to tell their alignment.
EDIT: I agree, Dorian needs to post more. However, LLD's play is the play that I found frustrating and difficult to comprehend, for the reasons stated above.
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I think every game from now on should have "Bardiche hates lurkers" deadline deductions.
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Well, to be honest UK, Bathory needs to explain herself better. She needs to give us cases to go with, rather than questionable votecount analysis that is based on gut town reads and process of elimination. She needs to then expand her cases once she has her scum picks; she thought Munak was scummy, but it was based entirely on VCA that I disagreed wtih, so she needs to pull additional reasons for her suspicions outside of the ones she gives. If she is going to explain her scum reads based on her town reads, it is essential that she explain her town reads as well, otherwise there is no case.
Bathory did not explain herself well enough and did not put enough evidence into her individual cases, and that part at the end of day 3 with the VCA was extremely frustrating because I cannot understand how a player thinks if the player refuses to explain themselves. This makes it very difficult to tell their alignment.
EDIT: I agree, Dorian needs to post more. However, LLD's play is the play that I found frustrating and difficult to comprehend, for the reasons stated above.
See, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Don't say "OMG BATHORY IS TERRIBLE OBVSCUM", explain what you think is wrong with her play. I disagree with a few things but I agree with the general sentiment, as stated in my previous post.
THIS is how people in MotKTown are going to get better, not by saying "OMG YOU'RE AWFUL JUST GO DIE".
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Good Scumhunt
Convincing Cases
Obvtown
Pick two :P
Stop hating on Lizzy, she did fine
Hate on me more, I screwed up the entire game because I didn't post half of my role!
Aaaaargh!
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It was like that when I got it.
I hate you. I really really hate you. :(
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Why?
If it was because of endgame then why quote that?
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Here's my opinion on Cases Are Scummy
I agree that posting why you think someone is town on D1 and possibly D2 is silly. I'm more of the opinion that it's just noise rather than it telling scum how to act (as in, if they started actively trying to sound different it would be obvious to me), but I suppose that's a good enough reason not to do so too. Thing is, by D3 the NKs are more or less decided and it's obvious who looks townie and who doesn't regardless of if you say it, and if they tried to act differently by then it would be incredibly obvious when you isoed them. I don't think you need to post cases for ALL your town reads, just the ones that are in danger. In general, saying "this person is town because of ___________" is more likely to convince people than "this person is town and we are not lynching them."
As for cases against scum, not making them is so ridiculously good for scum I don't even know where to being. For the record, I am NOT criticizing the use of gut, it's a very good thing to use, it's only bad if you go "this person is scum yep" and nothing else. I'm better at finding townies than I am scum, so I do what I can to let people prove they are town to me. The easiest way to do this is to get them to talk. Cases help do this because they can respond to the things you think are scummy. Arguments are pro-town yo. Not to mention, people are more likely to listen to "this person is scum because of __________" rather than "_________ did some scummy shit so lets lynch him." It's useless if you catch scum if no one will listen to you and they don't get lynched. You might as well not have caught them at all.
But more than that it hurts scum quite a bit. If everyone is expected to post cases it means they have to post cases too thus making them more likely to get caught on bad logic or obviously bullshitty things. But more importantly, it gives townies a way to defend themselves. It gives them the ability to TALK. This makes it harder for scum to push town lynches.
So yes, if Cases Are Scummy becomes a thing I will be pissed.
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Why?
If it was because of endgame then why quote that?
Its because I don't want to type your name out.
I hate your quick lynch!
I HATE YOU FOR NOT LETTING ME POST 1ST!!!!
sigh...
Alright I'm done venting.
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Meh, I just really wanted the game to hurry up and end.
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I think the biggest problem with Elizabeth's D3 play was her attitude. Really, I would have been biased towards voting her over Serela out of a combination of irritation and the belief that having an air of superiority is something scum benifit from more than town.
Granted, that is partially just me being terrible, but I still think that her play was rather antagonizing and inconsiderate towards other players. Really, straight-out calling people "terribad town" is something you shouldn't be doing as a townie. It's rather demoralizing. Not to mention that posting with smug overconfidence and hyperoffensiveness can really grate on people and cause them to not take you seriously. I've even noted that I often find myself not actually reading into LLD's posts or taking her opinions into serious consideration regardless of my own alignment, simply because I don't like the way she conducts herself and I find that it makes her difficult to parse. This is probably more my problem than hers, but having a posting style that makes other players not want to take your opinions into consideration as much is kind of never a good thing.
Then again, I'm not sure if I'm really experienced enough to be giving advice on this kind of subject. <_< Still, opinions and etc.
As for the "cases are scummy" attitude, I dislike it. I play mafia more for the logic game than for gut, particularly because my gut is HORRIBLE outside of specific situations (hi Shadoweh!). If people as a whole start taking up these ideals, I'd probably just stop playing, because I really wouldn't have much of a reason to do so anymore. I do believe that everybody uses a little bit of their gut to make choices while playing, I just don't think that it's something that should dominate the game.
STOP FUCKING CUTTING ME
EDIT: On second thought, just see the entirety of what I did in NotV for why I don't like playing on gut ever. <_<
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[13:33] <Hero999> I still feel like bashing my head on a wall..
[13:33] <huhwhat> i would have done that but i thought it wouldn't be allowed
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Here's my opinion on Cases Are Scummy
I agree that posting why you think someone is town on D1 and possibly D2 is silly. I'm more of the opinion that it's just noise rather than it telling scum how to act (as in, if they started actively trying to sound different it would be obvious to me), but I suppose that's a good enough reason not to do so too. Thing is, by D3 the NKs are more or less decided and it's obvious who looks townie and who doesn't regardless of if you say it, and if they tried to act differently by then it would be incredibly obvious when you isoed them. I don't think you need to post cases for ALL your town reads, just the ones that are in danger. In general, saying "this person is town because of ___________" is more likely to convince people than "this person is town and we are not lynching them."
As for cases against scum, not making them is so ridiculously good for scum I don't even know where to being. For the record, I am NOT criticizing the use of gut, it's a very good thing to use, it's only bad if you go "this person is scum yep" and nothing else. I'm better at finding townies than I am scum, so I do what I can to let people prove they are town to me. The easiest way to do this is to get them to talk. Cases help do this because they can respond to the things you think are scummy. Arguments are pro-town yo. Not to mention, people are more likely to listen to "this person is scum because of __________" rather than "_________ did some scummy shit so lets lynch him." It's useless if you catch scum if no one will listen to you and they don't get lynched. You might as well not have caught them at all.
But more than that it hurts scum quite a bit. If everyone is expected to post cases it means they have to post cases too thus making them more likely to get caught on bad logic or obviously bullshitty things. But more importantly, it gives townies a way to defend themselves. It gives them the ability to TALK. This makes it harder for scum to push town lynches.
So yes, if Cases Are Scummy becomes a thing I will be pissed.
I actually agree with the noise thing, I just have a sense of humor about it. I do KIND of believe that, but the noise thing is really the core of it. I'll start explaining it like that in the future. As for the rest, we've discussed this and I think we've agreed to disagree. I also think that the rhetoric version of Cases are Scummy is the one you hate.
Either way, I actually discussed this with Shadoweh. There are several reasons that I think not posting a full PBPA case is good (I'm going to define case as this in the future. A concise one or two lines explaining a scummy fact about a person is a kind of case, but it's the kind you use when you accept a cases are scummy style). The first one was actually a breakthrough for me. Townies like voting for something THEY came up with. So, when you provide one or two concise points, and let people join the wagon, they add their own points and they're freer to do so. It makes them feel like they're really taking part in the lynch rather than sheeping. It ALSO gives you more information about their motives, and usually with less noise than a wall of text war. Secondly, the one or two point thing has more force because there's no wiggle room. I think we disagree here because I feel that you should give your scumspects as little wiggle room as possible, and if you can't trap them, then you need to reconsider your scumspects. If you're still not feeling town from them, then at that point a full case might help. The key is VERSATILITY. Thirdly, and I know you'll disagree with this, the concise style I propose let's you bluff. It puts someone under the spotlight you might not be *sure* is scum, particularly if you have some force of will to back it up. They'll be forced to act a lot more, and you can determine if they're scum. This is very tricky and you do NOT want to get caught in your own vortex of bias.
In the end, I think both styles have their pros and cons, but I think the reliance on cases has become a bad thing. To be honest, it's not that hard to bullshit a case as scum, K4U. People drop scumtells all the time, as I said. We had a plethora of designated mislynches this game. Cases also give a tendency to confirmation bias because you put so much time and effort into going back and forth with someone. When you're aligned in a fight against someone, you think they're scum usually ,and it gets reinforced. Natural us v.s them. The Cases Are Scummy style isn't immune to this, but I think it's easier to avoid that noise generating back and forth where you go over the same points over and over.
Anyway, I think I need a new name for the style. Any suggestions?
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Twitterposting.
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Anyway, I think I need a new name for the style. Any suggestions?
Mastery of the Elements!
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To be fair, I think there's some merit in what UK is saying, if only because CotA made me realize that it can be very easy for scum to BS up cases on other people (hi Schezo!). I still prefer logic over gut, though, because gut simply does not work for me.
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Really, in the end it's up to what works for you. If you're catching scum and looking town, you're doing it right. There's no one way to play mafia. I know I push my way hard in games, but it's part of what I do. The reactions to theory can help me figure things out a little, I think. Honestly, I don't premeditate what I do, I just look at the situation and do what I feel will help me find scum (as town), or help me look town (as scum). I like to think it kind of works, as well as ANYTHING works in mafia.
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(hi Schezo!).
Except it was that case that made me 100% sure you were scum as opposed to the about 60% I was before. :V
I'm not saying you have to post a huge wall of text for every case. Just posting what's needed is fine. However, there is one point that I think we disagree on hugely. I don't like to give scum wiggle room either. If they can't convince me they're town then as far as I'm concerned they're scum. I just also don't like to give anyone else any wiggle room when it comes to not joining my wagon. That's why I often say "explain to me why this person is town" to the people that aren't voting my target.
I also generally don't like PBPA, so I have no idea why you're calling that a case when I never use it myself. :V I don't think I typically post wall cases either (I do sometimes when I think it's needed/I need to do a bit of strangulation/whatever, the main reason I post walls is just because I don't post often).
I think the above is exactly where we disagree though. I think I should tell people everything I've got as I'm of the opinion scum are more interested in finding unique points than town. If my case is convincing enough I think they will join it. If they don't I will expect them to have a good reason why, a case if you will. :V
There's no one way to play mafia.
This is completely true though.
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If your name is Pesco, all you have to do is post a list of names on Day 2 :V
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If your name is Pesco, all you have to do is PM the moderator a list of 5 names on Night 1 :V
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If your name is Pesco, all you have to do is post a list of names on Day 2 :V
This also works if your name is Ciato or, sometimes, Dread Thomas.
I hate the power being out because there's so much more I want to say but it ain't happening on the phone. ;_;
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I'd love to have another showdown with Dread Thomas someday.
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I think the above is exactly where we disagree though. I think I should tell people everything I've got as I'm of the opinion scum are more interested in finding unique points than town. If my case is convincing enough I think they will join it. If they don't I will expect them to have a good reason why, a case if you will. :V
It's less unique points make you town or scum so much as they make you think. What I really want is everyone to think critically about why their voting someone. If their thoughts are engaged in WHY they are voting my suspect, or even better, why they AREN'T voting my suspect, they're playing the game. They're putting more effort into it. Something I've learned from personal experience is :effort: KILLS a townie. So, it's a bit of an artificial encouragement, but I think that there's merit to it.
Anyway, these (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3349542#p3349542) are cases (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3352547#p3352547). The problem is I was able to easily dismiss them because I found the weak points (as it happens, I was town, so this was easier, but I think I could have done the same as scum). And the entire fight was just noise because both Ironhead and myself were tunnely town on each other. I erred on the too little side of cases are scummy, and he erred on too much ~*~logical~*~ case and kitchen sinking to really be effective.
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Actually, as long as I'm here, I'll at least ask this. Youmyon, why did you two take the approach to the Pamela situation on Day 2 that you did?
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What do you mean? Not revealing our town read on her? To be honest, we were pretty sure we could deflect the lynch off her without claiming it. If you mean in the QT...um, it just seemed townie? The MGG bus at the end was PROBABLY overkill, but after we had noticed that MGG was the only other lurker, it felt like we'd give her a final warning "in case we died" in the QT. But, yeah, we felt that protecting the power role would have been a townier way to handle it, even if the PR wasn't worth much.
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I haven't read the QT yet. Not had the chance. But yes, I sorta mean not explaining the town read on her; specifically in being adamant in not providing any justification at all and even going so far as to use the DWI emote (I think it was directed specifically at Pesco, but it was out there for everyone to see as Youmyon's attitude about the situation), and then coming out on Day 3 and claiming Zakeri's role for him anyway. Instead of refusing to do anything, why not go through Zakeri's posts and talk about why they made you think he wasn't scum? This makes you look like you and/or Zakeri have less to hide, and it helps toward the goal of getting Zakeri more positive attention, a goal designed to avoid needed to have him claim at all. You seemed you were playing a sense of "eh, if he really comes under fire we'll just throw his role out in public" than "gotta make sure we can attention off him without needing to claim". One of these modes of thinking is distinctively more pro-town than the other, because the other comes off as lazy play at the expense of someone else's power role.
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Well, we WERE scum. I admit I probably would have put more effort into it as town. Though, odds are I'd only have actually SAID why I thought Zak was town if he hit L-2.
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What would you guys say is my biggest problem when playing mafia?
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What would you guys say is my biggest problem when playing mafia?
The fact that you seem to care more about getting out of this game and into another one than you do about the fact that your team lost. That kind of attitude irks me, and it's almost got me convinced to make another policy lynch list since it tells me that even when you're town, you're not really on the town's side.
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That's really more to do with my personality.
I find for me most things need to go fast. When playing games I would always take to fastest route. I don't like to type walls of text much because it takes long to type.
So it's really more of a general thing.
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I can understand the speed vs accuracy dynamic kind of trips you a little, but you really do have me worried here. You asked scum to let you put someone at L-1 before they've even had the chance to post and defend themselves, and when Youmu hammers you just go "Oh well, I kind of expected that to happen."
If you expected something like that to happen, then why vote? Just to end the game, even though you figured it would result in your side losing?
I was happy with the reg shoe lynch, because he was scum, and I parsed your hammer as overeager townie, but then you put Munak to L-1 and I started to get worried. Then Lylo happened, and I know I can't trust you anymore. I'm officially scared of you.
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It wasn't really me expecting it to defnintely happen, but rather that if it were to happen, I wouldn't be caught by surprise.
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I think every game from now on should have "Bardiche hates lurkers" deadline deductions.
No.
Though I agree with what Zak has said here. Some patience for the game you are in will do wonders for you. It is possible to find a play style that isn't wall wars all the time, but you still have to devote time and patience to the game.
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For example, some people need to patiently await the day that they roll town. :V
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I have been trying to work on my patience though. I'll try harder next time. Though I think it will get better in time anyway as one of the reasons I get so impatient is because I get really eager to play mafia. So as I get used to playing mafia my patience for it will increase.
So have you guys found a big problem with anything else?
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PFFT.
Who wants to roll town?
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I wanted to roll town this game, just for the experience.
Though I get where you're coming from, I agree scum is better.
Scumbuddies are so much fun!
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I wanted to roll town this game, just for the experience.
Though I get where you're coming from, I agree scum is better.
Scumbuddies are so much fun!
I know I wouldn't have had so much fun with this game if my scum buddy youmu hadn't gotten me more involved.
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Zak was our honorary scumbuddy! :]
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That's really more to do with my personality.
I find for me most things need to go fast. When playing games I would always take to fastest route. I don't like to type walls of text much because it takes long to type.
So it's really more of a general thing.
That's unacceptable as a reason to cause your team to lose.
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Then scroll down.
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Zak was our honorary scumbuddy! :]
too bad we couldn't talk more :<
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JOB: Reading the game and making your own decisions would help. >.> Every single decision you made was based on who other people found scummy or townie. Confirmation bias is bad. You'll never get nightkilled if you're more useful alive for the scum.
Good Job Shadoweh/UK.
NeoSerela can bitch at me all she wants, but I still got her lynched. -shrug-
Oh, and so people were aware: D1 and D2 was controlled completely by Dorian. If you're going to attack MY play, please start at D3 onward.
Okay.
Your Day 3 play was bad. You did not get anyone lynched and it's awkward that you think it was your doing. I wasn't trying that hard (possibly because he was my buddy!), I blame Schezo actually for getting the momentum really going. His case on MGG was awesome and made us think he was Kilga or something so we shot him dead. You called out MUNAK on being scum for god knows what reason and flipped out when people playing well lynched the '100% townie' scum the next day. I seriously regret killing you instead of killing Pamela like we should have, we probably would have won faster. That should tell you that you were doin it rong.
You need to not be so over-confident in your reads. Treating the rest of the townies like they're human beings (or friendly zombies, I supose) would go a long way to people not lynching you for being yourself. Be more like your scummy self in CotA, except without being scum. <.<
Instead of refusing to do anything, why not go through Zakeri's posts and talk about why they made you think he wasn't scum?
What, and actually re-read the game? Heavens no, that would have been so much effort! The simple answer to that is we still wanted Pamela to be a viable mislynch! Our lame sounding reason wouldn't convince anyone to clear her. >.>
I know I wouldn't have had so much fun with this game if my scum buddy youmu hadn't gotten me more involved.
<3 No no, we were townie masons, townie masons! <^_^> Youmu x Myon x Pamela 4evar~ You were me in MHM, throwing scum out the door left and right and missing the one right in front of you going "Hi~"
Because Triple QT's is the Townest! (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/RYAucPRbL8z)
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I wanted to roll town this game, just for the experience.
Though I get where you're coming from, I agree scum is better.
Scumbuddies are so much fun!
Scumbuddies SURE are better when you ditch them less then half way in the game. :V
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OH OH! DID YOU ALL LIKE MY LYLO PICTURE!?
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OH OH! DID YOU ALL LIKE MY LYLO PICTURE!?
I just saw that last night on datfukkencat (http://www.datfukkencat.com/), actually. <_<;
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It's a bit meaningless to say anything because I died N1 (I'm still surprised. I would've been prime lynchbait, and Count was much more dangerous than me), but I'll be honest in that I'll give Shadoweh/UK their props- I thought they were town when the kill came in last night. Really I was expecting more a Remilia getting lynched or Sid convincing Youmu he was town somehow.
Then again, I was also not expecting you would -lynch someone before they fucking posted-. What the fuck.
I'm going to really just let my QT talk for me here. Why can't I ever be in a chill game? >:
QT Here. (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/aNkJsTRCZfW)
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EDIT: Also, I was disappointed that Munak was still pushing Pamela, in spite of scum using two night actions between 2 kills and Pamela having a quick topic with Munak. Munak knew for a fact that Pamela used a night action, and that 2 scum used 2 different night actions. That would have at least made me hesitate to seriously push Pamela scum.
Entirely my fault.
I wasn't able to play the game after D2. Note how all of my cases kind of stopped on D3+? Yeah...
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Dorian needs to post more :smug:
I have a even better idea, there wouldn't be any need for me to post if I'm not playing and that's what I'm planing to do. There are enough unsuccessful attempts on my list to convince me that mafia just isn't my kind of game. And to be honest I'm absolutely not willing to ?spend? the ridiculous amount of time that would be needed for a proper play anyway.
Well now the only one left who could want to lynch me is my family doctor, for engaging in a game that shoots my already chronically high blood pressure through the roof. So I think that's all I have to say.
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Well, we WERE scum. I admit I probably would have put more effort into it as town.
What, and actually re-read the game? Heavens no, that would have been so much effort! The simple answer to that is we still wanted Pamela to be a viable mislynch! Our lame sounding reason wouldn't convince anyone to clear her. >.>
:V
These are the answers I was more or less hoping to hear, because it was more how you handled that situation than OMG THEY SAID CASES ARE BAD THAT'S SO DUMB that convinced me you were scum. You played like you were banking on revealing the roleclaim, not like you were doing whatever you could to avoid revealing the roleclaim. In retrospect I should have suspected Pesco more because I had already spoiled everyone's identities for myself and he was the only player in the game that would have noticed this and yet he said nothing about it (as I recall).
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Anyway, I don't have a problem with favoring succinctness, because it is true that long drawn-out Level 20 Walls of Text tend to obfuscate and make reading and playing the game a chore, both of which are good for scum. I do prefer putting everything I have forth as soon as I have it, though, for a few reasons.
- Not all cases boil down to a series of independent bullet points that can be rattled off one by one as the person being accused responds to each. Some cases are a collection of lesser wurgles and coincidences, each by themselves not necessarily scummy, but that look terrible when all added together. Here's a kinda-sorta example from Meme Mafia over at the DL; it's not the epitome of what I'm getting at here, especially given it focuses more on the role game aspect then the scumhunting aspect, but it's at least a good demonstration of the whole being much greater than the sum of the parts. (References to "Touhou" are to me playing the TOUHOU HIJACK LOL meme.)
For what it's worth, I think the meta case on him was mostly worth persuing. His claim looked much like other fakeclaims I've seen in the past.
- He claimed under pressure.
- His claim was an investigative role that could easily not produce anything meaningful.
- He then went on to... not produce anything meaningful! In fact he told blatant lies based on information town already knew.
- I didn't mention this in game, but why would he track Cake, who looked for all the world like a vig at the time and thus would be super obvious as to what he's doing anyway? It's incongruous with Touhou's otherwise smart-seeming play.
- The other two roles that could produce coplike results died before he did, despite him seeming like the towniest player of all of 'em based on words.
- His role was an outright copy of someone else's weirder role in a ROLE MADNESS game.
Yes, sure, all this can actually happen, but as this stuff piles up it's really hard for me to think of someone in this circumstance as town and I would be willing to lynch them on that. I honestly don't know what I could've pushed on Touhou to actually get him lynched though, even on reflection. Pretty much the first thing I did after dying was go to gate, go 'was touhou scum', and headdesk when he said yes. I wish I'd been wrong, honestly, because at least then I wouldn't remain confused over when/when not to use role/meta tells.
- I feel throwing out one or two parts of a lengthy case starts to look less like a case and more like throwing shit out to see what sticks if the first few individual points start getting reasonably countered. This ends up making the attacker look bad instead of the defender and suddenly you've not done your job as a proper townie to make people not suspect you.
- I like to give people time to digest cases. Partly because I think it's the sporting thing to do, but mostly because it allows points to either be strengthened as time goes on or be debunked by things I didn't see or misread while still allowing me enough time to revisit what I've read and rethink my stances. If I'm going to make a non-concrete point, I'd much rather do it with 48 hours to go than 12 hours to go, because in one of those two scenarios I'm not deadline-scrambling to make a new voteworthy case and ending up looking bad myself. (This isn't to say I have no confidence if my reads, of course; if I didn't I wouldn't be backing them with votes.)
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UK mentioned something especially interesting that I hadn't considered, though...
Townies like voting for something THEY came up with. So, when you provide one or two concise points, and let people join the wagon, they add their own points and they're freer to do so. It makes them feel like they're really taking part in the lynch rather than sheeping.
I admit I haven't bothered to extensively study this myself, but I can easily buy it as being true. The thing is that I also see it as a rather large gameplay hurdle that people need to overcome to better themselves. I'm going to say something that will sound somewhat controversial to those that play by "the book" and don't spend time actually thinking about the why of things: bandwagoning is not scummy. There is absolutely nothing wrong, as a townie, with seeing a case another townie made, agreeing with it, and realizing you find it stronger than anything you've seen yourself. After all, convincing other people that your target is scum and getting them to vote with you is the point of making cases as all! What this means is that we need to eliminate the stigma of voting for someone because of someone else's reasons, because that stigma impedes player development. What is scummy is using other people's cases as an excuse to avoid having to try. Bandwagoning is not scummy IF...IF you are willing to put in the effort to read the case, check to make sure that it makes sense to you (including fact-checking!), and then explain why you think that case is the best case on the table. If you are town, you should be willing to put in this kind of effort; otherwise Mafia is perhaps not the game for you.
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Now. On to the rhetoric version of "Cases are scummy", alongside the sentiment that "Explaining town reads is anti-town". Both of these are scummy because they avoid accountability, and avoiding accountability is one of the extremely few inherently scummy courses of action one can take in Mafia (outside of super-stupid roles that force avoiding accountability, I guess, in which case you all vote to lynch the mod in postgame). Town has no reason to avoid accountability, and scum has every reason to avoid accountability. Incidentally, this was really sold me on Bathory scum: a combination of "Explaining town reads is anti-town" and "Just because I was wrong, that doesn't make me scum" (as much as they don't directly connect with one another in this particular game, since the wrong in this case was thinking a townie scummy, the general sentiments behind the two statements are still incongruous with each other). The second of those is very true! Townies are wrong all the time. What's important in distinguishing townie wrong from scummy wrong is in looking at the 'why's of their opinions. But when you don't provide those 'why's, and you end up being wrong without having good reasons for being wrong, what are people supposed to think?
So yeah. In general, players, plz to be providing 'why's when posting opinions. You don't necessarily have to provide ALL of the 'why's but you should be providing enough of them that will at least start to make people think about what you're saying. If you think someone is scum, you should be doing your best to make sure other people see what you see and agree with you. If you think someone that other people find suspicious is town...you should be doing your best to make sure other people see what you see and agree with you. Unless you don't actually care if the person gets lynched or not and just want to be able to say that you called them as town. But only scum don't care if a townie gets lynched, so. <_<
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To be fair, when I say use one or two points, I mean your biggest guns. The best you have, the most unarguable fact you can throw. Beyond that, I think we need to agree to disagree. I think we're basically just at different places on a spectrum. You favor more verbosity/thoroughness, I favor more conciseness/simplicity. Both styles have their advantages I think, and really knowing when to use what is what makes a good mafia player, IMO.
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I actually don't like being verbose, because it can easily tumble downhill into the realm of obfuscation via WoTs. It just sort of happens. ;_;
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Then thorough is probably a better word. And you can be succinct and thorough, it's just a REALLY hard balance to strike. But, honestly, I hope the hydra QT I have with Shadoweh expresses how I play better than I think most people really understood...
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GIANT WALLS OF TEXT DESTROYING YOUR ENEMY ARE PRO-TOWN! >:(
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Chaore QTs are always entertaining. :V
I enjoyed that one.
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GIANT WALLS OF TEXT DESTROYING YOUR ENEMY ARE PRO-TOWN! >:(
Quoting this for truth.
I think criticising eachother's play is a bad habit MotK should drop. Like poop you picked up because you were curious what it'd feel like: don't do it.
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I don't think it's a bad thing if it's constructive criticism.
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Jeez, Chaore was so mean to me in his QT :ohdear:.
But he did have the right idea about lynching me D5.
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Also Pesco, I really didn't like how you had to bring my mentor into the game. It was really uncalled for.
(You're still an awesome mentor Kilga)
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Pesco was scum :p Scum don't care what you like if it gets you lynched.. wait
Kilga where is that THIS IS WHERE THE PEOPLE WHO CARE LIVE pic? >.>
Oh reading through Chaore's QT and seeing all the spot on Shoe hate. Now I remember why we killed you!
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I find it funny how you say that considering that I was the one who actually lynched Pesco.
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Kilga did great in being your mentor. You were just a bad student.
You only happened to be at the right place at the right time. Playwise, you had no part in actually lynching me.
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Harsh words, Pesco.
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Truth is harsh. Such as Bard being cute :V
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The only thing harsh about that is the fist I'll be planting in your face.
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Requesting Bard/Pesco hate -> love fanfics.
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Requesting Unlimited Day Vigilante.
Mod hear my prayer;
Look down on me.
I'm not as cunning as I used to be.
It's sure isn't Day ten and I'm lynched again!
Why does this happen to me?
Give me a role.
Show me you care.
A vig for the day, Mod, or even the Night
I can't do it alone and I'll sink like a stone
Unless you give me vigs to be done
So Mod give me now that role I so love;
Lend me your wisdom, your strength and iron glove.
Help me to smash my opponent's dumb face.
Oh Lord help me vig all my damn friends.
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For J.O.B.
In future games, try more to create your own opinions and not sheep other players so much. Also, make sure to reread multiple players instead of just tunneling on whoever seems to be the popular target under fire at the time. This goes doubly for LYLO; try not to vote so hastily and be sure to reread all players in case you missed something.
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And don't take candy from strangers, especially ones that sound like they want you to vote a little too much. ^_^
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But strangers always have the best candy.
I think some reasons why I sheeped other people so much this game was because I still don't know the best general scumtells and how to pick up on them.
Also I find you guys are more active when I'm not here (fukken timezones).
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Also I find you guys are more active when I'm not here (fukken timezones).
This just means that you have time to make your own posts in peace!
Like, seriously, having a lot going on in the thread while you're trying to make a case can be very distracting.
Use the time you have to yourself.
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I think some reasons why I sheeped other people so much this game was because I still don't know the best general scumtells and how to pick up on them.
Screw general scumtells. :V
Reread past games with flips (this game is a good place to start) and make your own.
It gets better with time as long as you put some effort into it.
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Bardiche's Secret "How To Be Awesome At Mafia" Ploy
1) Acquire roleplay skills.
2) Find a good Mafia player.
3) Roleplay as that Mafia player.
4) ???
5) P to the R to the O to the-- screw it, PROFIT!
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@Bardiche: I barely know how any of you really play. I only guessed three people and got one right. Which was Dormio, who I knew due to IRC shennanigans.
Although LLD's style is kind of recognisable. But I don't really think that style of play will work for me.
@Conq: I might try what you said then.
@Dormio: As I said I'm an impatient person. I can get bored of things quite quickly, and whenever I play mafia I always want there to be more action (which is why I don't like lurkers). I try and find something else to do but then I get bored of that easily. Even if it's mafia related like rereading someone or the whole game I get bored quickly. I don't seem to get bored of mafia in the long run though, which is good for me.
I will develope a sense of patience and a way to amuse myself as time goes by. So this is what I'll be like for now.
One thing that is awesome about me when it comes to mafia is that being sleep deprived doesn't really affect me much. Seriously, I've been up since 1:15AM (now it's about 9:20PM) and I still feel normal and function quite normally.
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I find it funny I guessed Bathory was Dorian, then apologized to Dorian for thinking he was LLD :V
Also I'm at least happy that Chaore's QT matched almost EXACTLY what I was thinking when I was thinking it.
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@capt.h: This is a game where I could not tell left from right. My scumdar was totally jammed, and I saw scum in everyone and everything (including Arcueid and Count!) except for Munak. Emotions probably got in the way and I failed to be clear in what I was saying from my second post. Everything failed regarding my play, and I was really glad that Bogmire vigged me because I was about to dive into Pamela like a myopic wombat on D3.
As for the Pamela switch at the end of D1, I'm sorry everyone and Chaore. Even if it wasn't overtly scummy, it was sure as hell distracting for everyone.
Not really entitled to say much about this game, but LLD and J.O.B have to try and be more pro-town. Also, the last few lynches confused me terribly, but whatever. Props to the scumteam; except for MGG, I never thought that Youmu or Reg Shoe were scum at all.
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I still regret killing you. Partially because my role relied on you accurately blocking scum kills, partially because you were town, and partially because it was either you or Youmu, and Youmu was scum.
I do not, however, regret changing the focus from you and Kukaku onto MGG, Bathory, and Youmu.
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@Jobber: To be fair, fuck the newbie pass here. You deserve every bit of ire I put in that QT. It literally feels you did not try to even -learn- this entire game. I hope you at least took -one- good thing away from this game, because god knows you took nothing from the last.
Honestly, you should sit out until you actually know how to play.
@Shadoweh: Even if I was catching onto it, I wasn't really remembering and paying attention. I don't think I would've, for example, lynched Shoe on D4 if I was still in.
@Affinity: I nearly did a spittake when I saw you were Necro. I didn't expect that at all. I will restate I was probably a bit too harsh towards you with claiming you responsible. D1 was a lot of people's fault, frankly. I would've maybe tried to chill a bit starting D2, but I think I probably would've started frothing and or calling for your lynch very shortly. Either yours or Remilia. Seeing as they literally were the one person who made it pretty much outright impossible.
Good thing I died!