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I am in despair! This never-ending series of pain has left me in despair!
Post about times when you are in despair thanks to Touhou.
Last thread. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5779.0)
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oh yes
Last night I fought for a few hours attempting to unlock stage 6 UFO for practice.
After 23840723 tries, hit LFS.
[00:45] <Drake> LFS 0/0
[00:45] <Drake> tasing this
[00:45] <Drake> fuck it
[00:45] <PurvisHasLeftThisTimestream> *GO GO GO!*
[00:46] <Drake> aaaaand ufo crashed because UAC
[00:46] <Drake> i hate everything
[00:46] <PurvisHasLeftThisTimestream> *Oh god*
[00:46] <Herasy> eh?
[00:46] <Drake> nb nb bn nb nb
[00:46] <Drake> this is my head hitting my keyboard
[00:46] <Drake> b b b b b b njmjmnjjmhnjmhunnhujmjhumnnhuj
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Other thread has not reached 1k; what are you doing.
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Youmu. That is all.
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Why do I have so much trouble beating SA Hard with MarisaB? I've done it with everyone else, but after 15 attempts (+ several stage 1 retrys) I still haven't been able to do it with her. Somewhere between those attempts I decided to skip to MarisaC and cleared the game in 3 tries even if she's supposed to be worse shot type, so it's not just about me having bad days.
I feel like I should do this before moving on to other games, but I also feel that this mentality will lead to many many failed attempts. Some months ago I had similiar streak in UFO Normal with MarisaB that took something like 30 tries to finally beat the game.
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and I was THIS CLOSE to beating Koishi
WHYWHYWHY do I have to derp death multiple times in Subterranean Rose instead of bombing?
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Donut is cheater >:O
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Completely random "hey let's have some fun instead of failing horribly at UFO" moment, played some PCB. First time I played anything PCB in a few months.
After a couple of false starts for each, 2DNBNBB stage 3 (died near the end of the stage, which I simply didn't remember at all, and at Alice's first boss nonspell - DERP) and 2DNBNBB stage 6 (deaths at the pre-Youmu spam, and near the end of Resurrection Butterfly). I'm not mad at failing to perfect the stages, by the way - I'm mad at UFO, why am I so inept at it when I can probably steamroll over most of the other games. :(
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Ran. Ran Yakumo. RAN F***ING YAKUMO! Fox-Tanuki Youkai Laser, 12 General Gods and Charming Seige. Damn it. *wanders off to the rant thread while cursing Ran to Makai*
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Post about times when you are in despair thanks to Touhou.
Right now.
Everything. Absolutely everything. Add to that, no part of even trying to get something decent felt fun. For the third time in a row.
Please don't tell me that I'm starting to grow tired of Touhou again. I don't want this to happen. :(
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Can't play EoSD Extra at all today. ;_;
On the other hand, I was getting tired of U.N. Owen, so I shut off the music and put my iTunes on shuffle. As soon as I got to Flandre, iTunes started playing U.N. Owen :V
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Ran. Ran Yakumo. RAN F***ING YAKUMO! Fox-Tanuki Youkai Laser, 12 General Gods and Charming Seige. Damn it. *wanders off to the rant thread while cursing Ran to Makai*
Those first two spells are pretty easy if you know what you're doing. Charming Siege does blow though.
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why am I so inept at it when I can probably steamroll over most of the other games. :(
Welcome to my world.
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Nggghh.... fuck you Youmu. Why can't you just let me get that blasted timeout?!!!
I think i have more 1DNB timeouts of Hell God Sword than the amount of bullets present in said spellcard.
Constantly getting screwed over just once every time i attempt the attack is getting very annoying because i always get so fucking close!
Two times! Two times i got the timer down to 1 or 0 seconds and getting hit just before the card ended. Damn it!
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Woo, I tried UFO Normal with SanaeB with a controller, got to Shou, "Haha I'm at 5/2 Shou! I'll beat you" Game Over her openner.....[XXXXXX]
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Eh... make that 6 instances of getting HGS to 0 seconds. Its getting dreadfully annoying but looking at the bright side, considering how i'm getting more of those last second failures at a faster rate must mean that i'm getting close!
Woo, I tried UFO Normal with SanaeB with a controller, got to Shou, "Haha I'm at 5/2 Shou! I'll beat you" Game Over her openner.....[XXXXXX]
I'm not trying to be elitist here but... how did that happen :o
You lost 5 lives without bombing? And without killing the attack before? How is that even possible? Did you attempt facifism or something?
In any case though, fuck that must be horrible. Losing a 1cc because of dying 5 times to the same attack when you could have bombed. Yuck.
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The problem is that I kinda mapped the Bomb key to the Y button on the controller (its an 360 Wired), so the time it took to get my finger up there I was already dead, that made me die about 3 times, the other times I just soared into the red lasers :derp:
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Nobody told me that just NOT SHOOTING ANYTHING makes PoDD loleasy. ):
brb seeing how this works out for Chiyuri and Yumemi
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Sort of Touhou-related.
anonymousxxxxxx. Damn troll. Typical touhou vs. cave rant. This guy called Touhou garbage because it wasn't like arcade shmups. Tried to make him realize that those two kinds of games can't be compared because of how different they are. Gets a response that says that Cave is for those who like good games and Touhou is for those who likes crappy games, get's labelled a weeaboo and gets blocked because he couldn't convince me that his opinion is truth. That's not how you discuss something. You talk about it and then you get to an agreement or accept that the other one disagrees and end a discussion the proper way.
I don't care about this but he is still a fucking idiot.
Rant over.
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Donut is cheater >:O
Thanks for reminding me:
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/lrn2sc11.png)
The original work is here (http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/lrn2sc10.png), which was posted quite some time ago.
I got prompted to add the FPS a few minutes after posting said image on IRC; I ended up forgetting until just then
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The above image is used in the form of light humor, etc. etc.
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I'm not trying to be elitist here but... how did that happen :o
I don't even see how anybody can interpret this and end up branding you as an elitist.
Those of you who I visit on IRC often know that I've been out for most of the day on a number of occasions. See replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9275) for more information.
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Having played Ketsui and Deathsmiles I can sort of agree with that Anon, except with calling direct-to-PC games "weak". Isn't eXceed 3rd also a PC STG ? :V
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Having played Ketsui and Deathsmiles I can sort of agree with that Anon, except with calling direct-to-PC games "weak". Isn't eXceed 3rd also a PC STG ? :V
I'd like to try Deathsmiles but as things are, i can't right now. Its not his opinion i'm pissed about though. Hate Touhou? Fine with me. What makes me angry is how he just goes "stop defending Touhou, weaaboo fanboy, biased Touhou-fan and then block me. Touhou lacks challenge. Says one who can't beat Mokou. I point out some things that are odd in his rant, we discuss:
Mainly me arguing about how they are different kinds of games, how Touhou is good for "this" and how Cave appeals to people who likes "that" while he just strikes down everything with "BUT ARCADE IS HARDER". Wtf. i played through the IN EX stage, didn't die on the stage, died on mid-boss and lost rest of lives on Mokou. I want a challenge.
Am i the only one who finds that odd?
I don't even see how anybody can interpret this and end up branding you as an elitist.
Precaution.
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Hating Touhou because it isn't balls to the wall hard during stages is like hating Kirby because it's not IWBTG. I like it even though most stage portions between EoSD and MoF are easy peasy now.
donutgraze.jpg
ilu baity
Anyway, I think that Kaguya perfect burned me out on Touhou for now. Hard to top a final boss perfect.
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Anyway, I think that Kaguya perfect burned me out on Touhou for now. Hard to top a final boss semi-perfect.
Fixed. :V *Goofy laughter.*
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Fixed. :V *Goofy laughter.*
See, that's another thing. Whenever I'm satisfied with an accomplishment people always go out of their way to disparage it. :|
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See, that's another thing. Whenever I'm satisfied with an accomplishment people always go out of their way to disparage it. :|
nobody means this seriously
not even me :V
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Well, how can you seriously call a NDNB of Kaguya a perfect fight when you failed the Last Spell rush considering you can't avoid the 5 last spells. I would get your argument if you somehow didn't have the time points for the other bosses, but Kaguya's last spells are always a part of the fight.
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I never count last spells as anything other than bonuses. You don't lose lives if you get hit, so I don't like to count them. Seriously, you wonder why I'm rarely excited over accomplishments. :/
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See, that's another thing. Whenever I'm satisfied with an accomplishment people always go out of their way to disparage it. :|
If you've seen how I treat Formless, there is a lot of things i say you don't have to take too seriously. Usually indicated by the :V
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If I got a NDNB of Kaguya and failed any of the Last Spells, it would be going into this thread and not the accomplishments thread.
Really, if I didn't suck at Brilliant Dragon Bullet, Second noncard, Buddhist Diamond, and the third noncard, I probably would have an NDNB of the stage by now.
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If i didn't suck at LSI and Hourai Jewel i would probably have a NDNB of the stage. Maybe we should team up. :]
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If I wasn't so fucking lazy I'd destroy Baity in any touhou game
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If i wasn't so lazy i would track down ZUN and vikingize him.
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As I try to stress by saying it in my sig, any accomplishment is as important as the player wants it to be. That said, I'm not going to argue about the semantics of what to call Donut's Kaguya fight. I know what Donut did, calling it anything different isn't going to change anything, and it's an awesome accomplishment either way. Note that I rarely use the term "perfect" to describe NDNB runs and will usually use the latter, because I believe "perfect" describes something a bit more intangible than a simple NDNB run. But it's merely a personal choice and I won't argue that description with anyone, because it's still the same accomplishment regardless. It's the same situation here.
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We are just kidding him obviously.
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Until one of us perfects Kaguya with all last spells :V
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Yeah, a truly perfect run of Kaguya would do what KamiG did to Hourai Jewel. I am not at a skill level to even try that. Same thing for the safespotting on the 4th last spell. I'm not comfortable enough to try that and get out outside of spell practice.
I would stick to the safer methods for those 2. But commonly accepted definition for perfect though is NDNB, all Last Spells captured(for IN), and no timing anything out(other than survivals)
Edit: Forgot No Gapping for SA, but that one is optional too.
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So, for "perfect" runs...
No deaths, of course.
All spellcards captured (?)
No safespotting...?
No bombs? I've seen a bomb used in a "perfect" run before for the sake of scoring, though (I think... Gaining more faith in MoF?)
PCB, no borders broken
UFO, destroying UFO's seems to be okay.
SA, no gapping
Ugh. I'd rather just have NDNB runs.
(Btw, I captured Kaguya's second nonspell on my first try. Do you misdirect it?)
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Of course I try to misdirect it. Not sure if I do it right, but I at least try.
No safespotting is an option rule. If I make it to Izuna Gongen on another perfect attempt, it is getting safespotted.
Forgot the NBB despite the main perfect I've been going for was PCB Extra.
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Grrrr..... Kogasa, why must you be so ridiculous? I'm tired of repeatedly dying 3 or 4 times on her. I honestly think that Yuyuko is an easier fight, despite one being a stage 6 boss, and the other a stage 2 boss. >.>
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If you've seen how I treat Formless, there is a lot of things i say you don't have to take too seriously. Usually indicated by the :V
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I honestly think that Yuyuko is an easier fight
Yuyuko is an easier fight. Then again, you could argue that Chen, Alice, the Prismrivers and Youmu are also harder than Yuyuko. :V
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:derp:
For example how i appointed you without your consent to be my waifu. ;)
That's how we do back home. Go out, find girl you want and tell her "You belong to me now" and then that's that.
Yuyuko is an easier fight. Then again, you could argue that Chen, Alice, the Prismrivers and Youmu are also harder than Yuyuko. :V
Not Chen but the rest certainly are.
(Yuyuko might hit me with her two final attacks. Chen... doesn't stand the slightest chance.)
About Kogasa i would also add that Alice is easier to perfect than Kogasa. Or pretty much any S3 boss and a lot of S4 bosses as well.
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ilu baity
ilu2
If I wasn't so fucking lazy I'd destroy Baity in any touhou game
If I wasn't so lazy, I'd be able to maintain WR scoring runs.
[10:02]<Baitikkuri> argh, screw you evil sun
Can't even get a decent run up beyond Stage 2 thanks to this, which leads to premature Game Overs. Probably doesn't help knowing that it shines into my good eye, which makes a blindspot on a certain part of the screen; the part of the screen I use the most for dodging. And maybe I shouldn't be playing at all because of blargh surgery after-effects.
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IN, MoF, and SA are the only Touhou games I would consider playing for score anyway, though as soon as you die, the score is screwed on MoF, Damn it Aya. PoFV too, but you have to play that for score otherwise you don't get enough extends to cover the 1 death minimum per stage starting at stage 6. I can't score worth crap in PoDD either, so I never get the second extend.
I wasn't even trying to score and got over 2.9 billion on IN. MoF is easy as hell to play for score. And if I was consistent at SA so that I'd be able to survive after all those suicides, I'd try, but as is I score higher just playing for survival.
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PoDD is really, really stupid.
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It's also really, really, fun!
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SanaeA is a completely terrible shottype. 0/0 cleared Extra with her. Derped one of the nonspells, derped survival, derped Grudge Bow second phase.(now I need to actually bother to unlock it for both Reimus and MarisaB, but lol Normal. And lol at the thought of using any of those terrible shottypes on Hard)
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Just lost a PCB Normal 1cc with 40 seconds left on Resurrection Butterfly. Decided to continue to unlock S6 for practice, and go on to perfect the rest of the card.
And that after a real "wtf??" capture of SPB.....
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Another 1 death run of IN Extra. And guess where it happened
Possessed by Phoenix second phase
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Three 1DNBNBB PCB stage 3 runs. The last was a Hanged Hourai Dolls doublekill. >:(
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Another 1 death run of IN Extra. And guess where it happened
Possessed by Phoenix second phase
Here's a worse one: Failed RB30 again. On the second-to-last VERTICAL
wave.
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Cleared MoF Extra with ReimuA. 5 deaths, none of which should even happened. And I panic bombed Mishagujisama 3 times.
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Dammit, if only my Prismriver fight hadn't gone down the toilet, I would have broken 1billion on PCB...
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Wow that was the sloppiest run of PCB Normal I've ever had.
Ran into a bullet for no reason during Chen.
Ran into a bullet for no reason during Alice.
Stupidly walled myself in during Stage 4 barrages.
Died repeatedly to Youmu spells that I normally have no problems with.
And to wrap up this horrible run, I died to Youmu's last spell when she had just a sliver of health left and Game Overed. Go me.
Don't you hate it when you think you're doing well and then just have a horribly sloppy run like this?
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EoSD Lunatic again. Entered Stage 4 7/0.
Limped out the Patchy battle 3/1 or something and it all went to hell from there. Ughhhhhh, I didn't even make it to Remilia! I should have fucking cleared that, why can't I do Stage 4?
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Kuzui Clear Water/Yamato Torus is only easy at full power. I am not at full power when I get to it. This is all.
And I just died at the last frame of Exiled Doll. Just bam! and died. I hate the new bullet-clearing system.
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Got a few 1DNB timeouts of Concerto Grosso. It's not that bad, I just keep getting screwed by bad luck.
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How do you beat SA?! I've 1cc'd nearly all of the other games once but SA and now I get friends wondering how I can beat UFO (which I always thought had a normal level of difficulty) but not SA (which I think is easily the hardest of the Touhous). I JUST beat Orin for the second time EVER in SA normal. Now I have to get through all of Utsuho's nonsense? How?
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I swear, if I die from a key remapper malfunction one more fucking time...
How do you beat SA?! I've 1cc'd nearly all of the other games once but SA and now I get friends wondering how I can beat UFO (which I always thought had a normal level of difficulty) but not SA (which I think is easily the hardest of the Touhous). I JUST beat Orin for the second time EVER in SA normal. Now I have to get through all of Utsuho's nonsense? How?
SA has the hardest Normal by far. You said you beat Orin, so you should have the first 5 stages unlocked in Practice Mode. Play the hell out of those stages. Memorize what can be memorized, and make notes of which attacks should be "autobombs" in a 1cc attempt. Oh, and as for unlocking Utsuho for practice, continuespam her (unless you can enter Stage 6 with more than 3 lives). Being able to beat her once with default lives (after a game over) is almost practice enough, to be honest.
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How do you beat SA?!
Enter Orin with 7 or 8 lives, bomb spam, enter Utsuho with 6 lives, bomb spam.
Especially figure out a bombing strategy for Orin that minimizes deaths.
At least that's how I did it. It might feel a bit unsatisfying to see yourself epic failing both of those bosses though
If you practice stage 1-4 long enough you will almost perfect it.
Practicing them on lunatic helps to for me, as stage 4 normal becomes piss easy once you are used to lunatic.
Then it's just keep trying until you enter Utsuho with enough lives to spare.
Unlike UFO (where you milk 5 bombs right at the beginning of stage 6), I didn't bother to continue spam
because I couldn't figure out how to do any of Utsuho's cards at the time.
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I tried to play with a keyboard and died on MoF stage 3. Normal mode too. Maybe I'll try it again once I remap my keys. I understand the benefits of using a keyboard, but it seems really difficult for a person who's been using nothing but sticks and pads to get used to.
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I just failed another Pacifist run on Ran's timeout phase because she refused to move far enough up for me to be able to actually safespot it.
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Kanako's opener is so stupid.
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Kanako's opener is so fun.
Fixed.
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Why am I so damned inconsistant?! In the same UFO hard run that I perfect KOGASA and SHOU, I make complete derp fests of Ichirin and Murasa, collect a total of ONE bomb in stage 6 and finish 0/1.
I just seem to click in and out of being good enough.
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Grrr... something like nearly 10 lunatic UFO runs today, and I believe I got as far as stage 4 ONCE. Clearly I must be doing something horribly wrong. The game can't be THAT much harder than the rest of them... can it? >.>
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And a 4th run that failed on the timeout phase because I can't safespot it worth crap. Oh, but I had to go and derp on 2 of the nonspells and 3 times on Unilateral Contact. And I derped on Shikigami Chen.
At least the attempt got something awesome of it, but still Fucking Damn It.
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I just failed another Pacifist run on Ran's timeout phase because she refused to move far enough up for me to be able to actually safespot it.
Me too.
7 seconds remaining out of what, 30 minutes? Worst part was how I lost two lives on ... Wizard Fox Thoughts. Out of all the cards I expected to die on, that wasn't one of them. On the plus side, I only used 1 bomb on Charming BS from All Sides.
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No bombs pacifist here. It's pretty fucking hard to not screw up like that. I've only gotten close like that 4 times. And all 4 times I made stupid mistakes that ruined it.
I generally expect 1 or 2 deaths on Charming Siege, though I NDNB'd it my last attempt.
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PoDD is basically synonymous with despair.
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PoDD is basically synonymous with despair.
Phantasmagoria of Dim Dreams, indeed. Dim chance of winning, so expecting win is just a dream and definitely leads to despair.
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Whaaaa?
How did I game over to Ran?
12 bombs used...
1 spellcard captured...
4 point items away from an extend...
SakuyaA sucks so badly for this.
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yes
yes she does
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I've gotten farther on Perfect Phantasm attempts with SakuyA than I have with any other shottype, so she has to be doing something right. But yeah, SakuyA is pretty bad, but I don't see why you didn't bomb more.
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For what little it's worth, I've always had more success in PCB with SakuyaA than anyone else. >.>
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Why bomb more when you can one-death the entire stage using somebody with...
Better Bombs (ReimuB, Marisas, SakuyaB - for the spellcards)
Better Shot (ReimuB, Sakuya B, Marisas)
A shotgun with worthwhile damage (Reimu b, possibly MarisaA)
A spread with actual damage (ReimuB)
A focus bomb that doesn't leave 500 bullets on screen after it's over (everybody but ReimuB, possibly)
The ability to kill stage enemies before they kill you (Marisa has movement speed, Reimu has spread and homing, SakuyaB is fine)
You shouldn't need to bomb 28 times to make a shottype worthwhile. Plus, it's not DURR HURR WHY CAN'T I 1CC PCB NORMAL.
I'm seriously going to skip Sakuya A and move to Marisa B for now while I'm trying to clear Extra with everybody. At least Marisa B is the second strongest at long range.
Actually, I should probably stop trying to stay under a boss so much, since she gets crappy damage no matter where you are.
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SakuyaA sucks so badly for this.
actually no, sakuyaa sucks at everything
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ReimuA sucks even more though.
And SakuyA is still the best one for surviving a few things, but it's possible with every shot type. The one that comes to mind though is that postmidboss Ran section of Phantasm.
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killed 4 times by DECISIVE RIKAKO
that's why I don't play Yumemi
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Wow. My spellcard history on Yuyuko is just kind of random.
Lost Soul's Village 2/7
Mortality -Dead Butterfly- 0/6
Swallowtail Butterfly 0/6
Repository of Hirokawa 0/5
Sumizome Perfect Blossom 1/4
Ressurection Butterfly 30% Reflowering 0/3
Uh what. How the hell can I do Sumizome Perfect Blossom and not Repository of Hirokawa. Hirokawa is a freaking streaming card. What the heck man. And how have I not captured Ressurection Butterfly, it's a ridiculously easy survival card. AUGH!
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You know, sometimes I seriously wonder if I've improved at all over months of nearly daily practice. Sure, I've 1cc'd more stuff than I had a couple months ago, but I think that may be more due to persistence than actually getting BETTER at the games, per se. Because it seems that whenever I get tired of bashing my head against my current goal, and go back to do something that I succeeded at ages ago... I'll fail that miserably, too. Things I was capable of beating months ago. It's like all the intervening months of practice accomplished nothing.
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Hey I captured Ripples of QE...
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WHERE WAS MY IMMUNITY oh right, EoSD.
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Hey I captured Ripples of QE...
No worries. Everyone has to die as QED is clearing at least once. It's like a rite of passage.
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Specially if it's a gameover.
;_;
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I've only ever cleared EoSD Extra with MarisA. The closest I've gotten with ReimuB was the QED double KO.
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Almost 700 attempts at a Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana timeout in a span of 8 months, and a gross misread with 23s remaining is still the best I ever did. :colonveeplusalpha:
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Ugh. I was able to capture Blind Nightbird with Alice solo, of all shot types, so why is it so hard with Sakuya solo? (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9328) Maybe I'm out of practice?
Also, SA Normal just doesn't like me at all. :ohdear:
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>3.96/4.00
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[16:06] <Baitikkuri> i what
[16:07] <Baitikkuri> ...
[16:07] <Baitikkuri> i probably deserve this for not bombspamming
[16:08] <Baitikkuri> my reflexes have betrayed me
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Playing UFO extra and generally having an awesome run, made it past Undefined Darkness with only one death, when angry parents yell at me to clean up the dishes (which I had admittedly forgotten about for a couple hours). About two minutes after I start playing again, I manage to lose all 5 lives and gameover early into Nue's survival card.
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Don't you just hate frustrating inconsistency? One run capture Shou's first 3 attacks, and then next run, die twice to every single one of them. Of course, I knew the first one was a total fluke, but still...
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This. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjMzvHYKcg) :V
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Sakuya's boss fight from PoFV can go die in a fire. Who the hell programmed that microcosm of pain and frustration? The fact that her boss summon's most annoying wave always syncs with Lily is a huge fuck you, and the knives that force you to change position while micrododging don't help at all. And knife hitboxes are absolutely ridiculous. And her invincibility time at the last half life is far too long. And I can go on and on about how annoying this is seriously fuck you ZUN is this i wanna be the guy or some shit like that asdfgsfdsdasdf
Seriously tempted to 1cc with Reisen, Mystia and Lyrica on Easy to unlock the next characters.Should I y/n
It's enough of a chore to 1cc with a good character like Youmu or Reimu. This game is just not fun sometimes. :qq:
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I forgot to unfocus on Mystia 2nd boss non-spell..(but not in lunatic on hard but...arg)
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Sakuya's boss fight from PoFV can go die in a fire. Who the hell programmed that microcosm of pain and frustration?
Oh, right, ZUN. GJ man. Seriously tempted to 1cc with Reisen, Mystia and Lyrica on Easy to unlock the next characters.Should I y/n
It's enough of a chore to 1cc with a good character like Youmu or Reimu. This game is just not fun sometimes. :qq:
I don't think you even need to 1cc, a simple clear is enough to unlock them (and get good endings).
Sakuya is definitely the most annoying character to fight in that game. Mainly because of accidentally backing into some knives that somehow sneaked behind you.
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I'm so frustrated right now I might slit my wrist. Need help badly... :colonveeplusalpha:
The game is EoSD. The problem is, I always died at stages. Yes, not bosses, stages.
I can fight bosses no problem, but those nameless fairies always managed to kick my ass one way or another. I can't even reach Cirno normal without dying!
I don't know what to do anymore... :fail:
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IT KEEPS HAPPENING
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a good character like Youmu
Youmu's pretty terrible, actually!
Reimu's great though, stick with her. Or use Sakuya so you don't have to fight Sakuya?
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Except Youmu doesn't suck.
I got a Normal 1cc, no damage vs Sakuya.
But this is despair, so I'm obligated to say that fairies running into you from behind is awful.
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Why must I, when I've actually managed to navigate to safe place on a wave of Greatest Treasure decide that instead of staying still I should randomly flail into a nearby bullet? Over and over again? T.T
....the percentage of times I game over before killing Shou on practice is.... rather shameful at the moment =/ (Of course I'm generally not bombing, either, since the point of practice is to practice, but still)
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Why the hell did I think choosing DS over StB was a good idea? Glowing bullets and reflex-based danmaku everywhere, my God. And I haven't even gotten past Level 8 yet. Never mind the fact that such danmaku were already omnipresent in UFO - I seriously hope this "artificial" difficulty isn't the future of Touhou gameplay.
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Except Youmu doesn't suck.
She is severely suboptimal, mostly because of her level 1. Her only way to deal with boss summons is to run up and slash them, and while it clears bullets, it is incredibly easy to run into stuff with her.
Personally, I find Cirno to be the strongest best character in PoFV, mainly because of her freeze ability, and the fact that she fights Yuka instead of Komachi.
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Why the hell did I think choosing DS over StB was a good idea? Glowing bullets and reflex-based danmaku everywhere, my God. And I haven't even gotten past Level 8 yet. Never mind the fact that such danmaku were already omnipresent in UFO - I seriously hope this "artificial" difficulty isn't the future of Touhou gameplay.
Not being able to pixel-perfectly memorize doesn't make it fake difficulty :/
And yes, Youmu's pretty bad in PoFV, for a multitude of reasons. Her charge takes an entire second per level (by far the slowest in the game), and her scope expands so slowly it's almost useless (compare hers to Reimu's or Shiki's, who have the same scope, but it's instantly full-size rather than after several seconds). Her L2/3/4 attacks aren't that effective either, especially since they're mostly streaming IIRC.
On-topic, First Time Success Syndrome? has set in for me. After an amazing first time trying no-focus MarisaA EoSD Extra, I now find myself continually dying on that goddamn death fairy before Patchy.
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reflex-based danmaku
"artificial" difficulty
what
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^ That was meant more toward the additive blending aspect. Although I still think reflex attacks define manic shooters more than bullet hells, hence why I don't like seeing them in Touhou (which bills itself as "bullet hell").
Not being able to pixel-perfectly memorize doesn't make it fake difficulty :/
Since when did I say that? My beef with additive blending is that it potentially interferes with one's ability to even play (although a good deal of such attacks aren't crazy enough for it to be a big problem). Simply being random does not.
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IMO all the complaining about additive bullets is crap. I don't ever recall them being in attacks where they actually make it any harder, and usually just make it look prettier.
But whatever. Moving on.
DS/StB being the way they are allows ZUN to have more freedom with spellcard making. It's okay for him to make ridiculous patterns because it's fine if it takes hundreds of attempts to clear it once. Tons of patterns in these are ones that he'd probably not put in the normal games (for example, the more ManicShooter-suited ones); even without including the ones that basically require camera bullet clears. And DS is a LOT more fun then StB IMO.
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So yesterday I managed to play DS for the second time since it was released.
I played for hours, and only unlocked stage 7.
I really hate this game. Ugh. This is much harder than StB ever was.
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I enjoyed DS more than StB, and found it easier.
That might have to do with the fact that I played DS several months later when I was much better. I'm playing StB again though, and I still like DS better.
(And since I am in this thread, asdrfgsdfgfdg Yukari. Closest to perfect I've gotten is a 1 derp death on DDB, and I have no idea how many more attempts it'll take to get a NDNBNBB Yukari run.)
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Since when did I say that? My beef with additive blending is that it potentially interferes with one's ability to even play (although a good deal of such attacks aren't crazy enough for it to be a big problem). Simply being random does not.
I was mostly referring to how your general response for any problem is "just memorize it!" (that and YAMAME'S OPENER ISN'T HARD YOU FUCKS). When you talk about memorization that much, and then claim that reflex-based danmaku is fake difficulty, what else am I supposed to believe? :(
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DAMN YOU PRISMRIVER SISTERS
YOU HAVE FORCED ME TO RESORT TO ALL-CAPS TO EXPRESS JUST HOW MUCH I HATE YOU.
...Sorry, but I have lost far too many lives to those freaking curvy lasers.
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I was mostly referring to how your general response for any problem is "just memorize it!" (that and YAMAME'S OPENER ISN'T HARD YOU FUCKS). When you talk about memorization that much, and then claim that reflex-based danmaku is fake difficulty, what else am I supposed to believe? :(
Ahem, I only say "memorize it" when it actually can be, obviously. And again, the "fake difficulty" part was aimed toward the additive blending aspect. To clarify, when I say something is reflex-based, I'm referring to a really fast and at least partly randomized attack (think Eternal Meek or Shou's second nonspell). When you think about it, any attack requires reflexes in general - it's not like we have an entire day to read and prepare for one attack. See my previous post for more on that.
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Why so cruel Yuyuko? I could have broken my SakuyaB score, but you had to bodyslam me as I was grabbing power and make me lose the spellcard bonus for her last not-survival spell.
And the score for having one more life would have pushed me past, too.
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You know, I'm just going to give up on SA Extra for now. Maybe when I can 1cc all the games on hard I'll come back to it. 100 ragequits within the first thirty seconds, and only 2 attempts that made it to Koishi. And I don't want to talk about Bumper Crop Rice Shower. I don't want a GreenVirus record on it, thanks.
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only 2 attempts that made it to Koishi
I don't think the stage portion is that bad once you memorize/figure it out, unlike UFO.
Oh, and don't be too scared about Sanae. Even a bad player like me has 3/116 on Bumper Crop Rice Shower.
Plus, you get a bomb and 3 life fragments from her, so bombing in her spells is no harm.
Koishi IS quite intimidating before you beat her though...
especially when you haven't figured out, say, the heart cards or Genetics or Subterranean Rose,
and plus unlike other extras, it's harder to see your death coming, and you get only 5 lives (6 if you ND Koishi).
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I just tried pacifist Suwako. This really belongs in the derp thread. Because I tried pacifist Suwako.
As to this day, I have no idea why the Extra boss with the hardest noncards and the hardest cards is considered the easiest Extra boss by a lot of people. Apart from the whole near-infinite bombs thing, I suppose. And the thing where the noncards are over before they even begin if you're not doing pacifist. And the thing where every card has a ridiculously long timer which you don't notice most of the time. And MarisaB.
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I just tried pacifist Suwako. This really belongs in the derp thread. Because I tried pacifist Suwako.
As to this day, I have no idea why the Extra boss with the hardest noncards and the hardest cards is considered the easiest Extra boss by a lot of people. Apart from the whole near-infinite bombs thing, I suppose. And the thing where the noncards are over before they even begin if you're not doing pacifist. And the thing where every card has a ridiculously long timer which you don't notice most of the time. And MarisaB.
Except for Jade River, Seven Stones, and Froggy Braves the Elements, I think I could time out most of the cards without too much issues.
The noncards, though...
*shudders*
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Except for Jade River, Seven Stones, and Froggy Braves the Elements, I think I could time out most of the cards without too much issues.
The noncards, though...
*shudders*
My issue is that every single Suwako card is very clipdeathy. And when you have to do them for almost 2 minutes instead of 20 seconds, I tend to get some...
I'll just blame the weird hitbox of those small bullets and move on to Flandre or Koishi.
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Trying to capture/beat Ghost Town in DS with Hatate. Did it with Aya with almost no problem, that should have been a sign, but I did not heed it. Had a hard time with Hatate could barely take over two pictures with her. Then finally I managed to make it to the last part. I heard the camera click, I hit the Z button followed by the death noise. There was a clear block with Orin standing there. She hit me with her wheelbarrow!
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Reached Murasa with max lives (I haven't come close to that, before), and I actually got excited about my chances of actually pulling off a 1cc. Surely THAT'S enough resources to destroy the rest of the game with, right? Right? T.T
Gameover on Magical Milky Way =/
On the plus side, at least I reached Byakuren, which is only the 3rd time I've managed to do so on lunatic (out of 60-something attempts in the last week, but still.... >.>)
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Hatate's short spaced camera made me in despair >_>
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VoWG hard... gameovered when I was THIS CLOSE, THIS CLOSE to beating Kanako.
What's wrong with me now... seriously
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I know that we don't have much time left together.
We made freinds shortly after I was forced into the half-hikkikomori period of my life, when I couldn't visit my freinds alot, and I had only you and cabel-TV to keep me company. You made me happy, you really did. Remember when we were watching Duck Dodgers and playing the PowerPuff girls GBC game at the same itme? Ah, fun times, that. As fun as it could get in that situation, I guess. And the time when we trolled a whole bunch of twitards? EPIC.
We've been freinds for a long time now, and you've been there for me when I've had noone else to turn to. Remember the time I couldn't meet you because "the other kids might become jealous"? Ah, yes. It's been a while ago, now.
During the later years, I've noticed a few things. Namely that you've just... Stopped functioning all of a sudden. Sure, I've seen this before, since it's a common problem and always had been, but it's heavier on you. Like, some days you just clean block me out and keep to your own little world, and you're really slow sometimes. No, not just sometimes anymore. It's like I have to try extra hard to reach you.
I've often yelled at the games we've been playing recently, out of anger towards the games, the characters, but I never yelled at you. Until today, that is.
I know you're old, and that I'll have to say goodbye soon. I've been patient, really, up until now.
Goddang it, computer.
DON'T FREEZE UP JUST WHEN I'VE ENTERED KAGUYA'S MANSION ON IN W?TH FIVE LIVES LEFT GODDANGIT!!!!!
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Hi orin! Would you like to exchange some lives so i can pass? 2? No? 3? no? 5!?! No?! ???? 7!?!? NO!?! fuck you.
Goddamnit I almost max lives by orin and threw all but 2 away :colonveeplusalpha:. And I though these things only happened in UFO.
Y Every time I cap alice's 2nd last pcb attack on normal I die instantly as the spell ends (MOF clipdeath style) :fail:
protip: ReimuC +Bombspam in SA = YES
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Oh hi Aya. How many lives must I lose before you turn off your god mode dodging AI? 1? 2? I brought 4 lives this time because I played well on the easier stages. This time I might actually have enough left to beat Shiki!
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*god mode never turns off, and Aya doesn't get hit once while I die 4 times*
Lunatic PoFV can die in a fire.
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Played MoF Phantasm. Could your player character move any more awkwardly? I dunno what it is but i can't control this game at all.
I played through what must have been a 100LC or something like that. I'm pretty disappointed in it. The controls are awkward and half the patterns seem unfair in some manner.
And how come the Youtube video i found let you play Reimu when i have to play Sanae? Geez.
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There's a Danfumaku version and then there's the version I linked you.
The patterns aren't unfair, just hard. I have no idea what her cards are called but the second last is just really dumb.
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There's a Danfumaku version and then there's the version I linked you.
The patterns aren't unfair, just hard. I have no idea what her cards are called but the second last is just really dumb.
Not unfair i suppose. I'd just wish i could play them with a better character. And apparently my PC can't handle SA Phantasm. It won't run at full speed. Makes me sad.
If just ZUN would do Phantasm levels again. MoF and SA Phantasm might have been brilliant entertainment if they were as flawless as the games they produce Phantasm stages for. And for all i have against UFO i will admit that the controls and graphics engine are excellent in that game as well. Things work. That SA Phantasm, that doesn't work.
And the controls for MoF Phantasm are so poor, imo, that the danmaku automatically becomes way harder than UFO Lunatic.
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Well, I think I've reached the point of total Touhou exhaustion again.
Spamming UFO lunatic 1cc attempts again today, and made it to Byakuren again. Decided that since I hadn't actually unlocked the stage for practice, yet, I might as well continue a couple times and get it done while I'm here.
30-something attempts in a row later....
And in all of that, I did not manage to capture a single card of hers, even once, except for (ironically) a LFO capture on the attempt that finally, finally succeeded.
Technically, this is some small accomplishment (in the sense of doing something I had not done before), but at this point, I feel nothing but exhaustion and great relief that I can simply stop playing now >.>
Should I be terribly ashamed of how much I must suck to require that many attempts and capture nothing, at this point? :ohdear:
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Not unfair i suppose. I'd just wish i could play them with a better character. And apparently my PC can't handle SA Phantasm. It won't run at full speed. Makes me sad.
If it's slowing down, don't use my patch because... apparently damakufu has trouble drawing large images.
The only down side is a really broken sidebar, but since you have infinite lives, it doesn't matter.
It's working fine for me though, with only slow down at the final stage of Subterranean Cucumber.
My computer isn't great either, with Core 2 Duo 8100 (2.10GHZ) and GMA965 (teh suck graphics card)
And the controls for MoF Phantasm are so poor, imo, that the danmaku automatically becomes way harder than UFO Lunatic.
MoF phantasm, imo, is like lolwtf. I have absolutely no idea how to beat anything and just keep dying.
SA phantasm, at least I have a strategy to beat mitori's stuff (they are similar to Koishi's, afterall),
but since my dodging sucks, I still die like 10 times, and the survival (forbid everything!!!) is brutal.
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MoF phantasm, imo, is like lolwtf. I have absolutely no idea how to beat anything and just keep dying.
SA phantasm, at least I have a strategy to beat mitori's stuff (they are similar to Koishi's, afterall),
but since my dodging sucks, I still die like 10 times, and the survival (forbid everything!!!) is brutal.
I don't have a clue about what to do about MoF Phantasm. I mean, i capture VoWG 80% of the time, have cleared EoSD-SA on Lunatic, timed out a lot of hard stuff but still i'm getting utterly wrecked by MoF Phantasm.
Oh. I should add that Momizi has some streaming attacks. Even those kill me. And what's the deal with her Peerless Wind God clone. As if that attack needed lasers too.
Should I be terribly ashamed of how much I must suck to require that many attempts and capture nothing, at this point? :ohdear:
Iirc i had a capture of all her cards after 20 runs so yeah, you should. :V
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Oh. I should add that Momizi has some streaming attacks. Even those kill me. And what's the deal with her Peerless Wind God clone. As if that attack needed lasers too.
I just captured that. :V It's complete luckshit though. It's more like Illusionary Dominance than PWG (i.e. not so many bullets) but the lasers give you minimal reaction time.
And the streaming attacks are only harder because she doesn't move with you like Suwako does.
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Half of the time I didn't see the streaming attack coming and try to auto collect. :V
Needless to say, triple bomb or death results.
On the times where I see it coming and started to stream somewhat successfully, I will somehow tap too slow and die.
As for the Peerless Wind God clone... I tend to somehow get trapped inside 3-5 lasers easily :V
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Dammit I keep dying to Ex-Aya's first card.
It's Kanako's with freaking Magic Butterfly lasers and I KEEP DYING.
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I will somehow tap too slow and die.
Same here.
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Game Overed on Suwako's "The Snake eats the Frog due to the Croak"
By running into Suwako...
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Oh hey, MoF phantasm, I should really beat that one of these days.
Not too sure what all the complaining is about. I mean, it's an extra stage. There's bound to be some memorization involved plus figuring out the gimmicky attacks.
I will agree that the hitboxes seem awfully big though. Did they give Sanae Marisa's hitbox or something?
bad controls
If with bad controls you mean input lag, there's a way to get rid of that.
Another reason might be that you're not used to your hitbox being able to go all the way down the screen. I know I am.
There's a Danfumaku version and then there's the version I linked you.
There's a danmakufu version?
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If with bad controls you mean input lag, there's a way to get rid of that.
Wait, how?
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Wait, how?
RadLinker is a pretty cool program. Eh removes the input lag from any non-Touhou doujin and ain't afraid of anything.
So yeah, it's pretty much a v-sync patch for everything non Touhou.
I haven't really tested it on MoF phantasm yet though.
Follow the instructions from Azinth's post. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5997.msg357475#msg357475)
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Oh hey, MoF phantasm, I should really beat that one of these days.
Wait, what?
Does your copy crash upon reaching Aya?
And,
There's a danmakufu version?
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Does your copy crash upon reaching Aya?
Never has.
I think it has something to do with setting your locale to Japan. This way it can show the Japanese text when it comes up when you meet Aya.
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I've not changed my locale, though I'm running XP and have it set to show Eastern Languages. That might be a good thing in this instance.
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Oh hey, MoF phantasm, I should really beat that one of these days.
Not too sure what all the complaining is about. I mean, it's an extra stage. There's bound to be some memorization involved plus figuring out the gimmicky attacks.
Yes but at normal extra stages i can play as Homing Reimu to minimize memorization, the hitbox and movement speed i'm used to and also the neat ability to restart the stage without having to quit the entire game.
I will check out that counter-input lag tool though. If not for this game then for some other Doujin games.
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Never has.
I think it has something to do with setting your locale to Japan. This way it can show the Japanese text when it comes up when you meet Aya.
... My locale's set to Japan now.
I tested it and... it crashes.
Might have something to do with this:
1:システムの情報を出力します
7: ＤＸライブラリ Ver2.24c
7: ＯＳ WindowsXP ( Build 2600 Service Pack 3 )
108: ＣＰＵ動作速度：大体2.76GHz
108: ＭＭＸ命令を使用します
109: ＣＰＵベンダ：GenuineIntel
110: ＣＰＵ名： Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
111:ＣＯＭの初期化... 成功しました
117:メモリ総量:2048.00MB 空きメモリ領域:1955.42MB
117:タイマーの精度を検査します
118:精度結果 更新回数 マルチメディアタイマー：0 パフォーマンスカウンター：60
118: パフォーマンスカウンターを使用します タイマー分解能 : 3579.545000 KHz
118: ソフトの二重起動検査... 二重起動はされていませんでした
119:ウインドウクラスを登録します... 登録に成功しました
120:ウインドウモード起動用のウインドウを作成します
170:ＩＭＥを無効にしました
371:ウインドウスタイルをウインドウモード用に変更します... 完了
375:DirectInput関係初期化処理
375: DirectInput7 の取得中... 成功
386: 引き続き初期化処理... 初期化成功
387: ジョイパッドの初期化...
391: ジョイパッドの初期化は正常に終了しました
391: マウスデバイスの初期化... 初期化成功
392: キーボードデバイスの初期化... 初期化成功
398:DirectInput 関連の初期化は正常に終了しました
399:DirectSound の初期化を行います
399:DirectSound インターフェースの取得を行います.... 成功
402:引き続きインターフェースの初期化処理... 成功
469: DirectSound デバイスを列挙します
471: モジュール名: ドライバ記述:Primary Sound Driver
471: モジュール名: sthda.sys ドライバ記述:SigmaTel Audio
472: モジュール名: btaudio.sys ドライバ記述:Bluetooth Hands-free Audio
472: 最大サンプリングレート:44.10KHz 最小サンプリングレート:44.10KHz
472: 総サウンドメモリ領域:0.00KB 空きサウンドメモリ領域:0.00KB
472: 利用可能サンプリング精度
473: プライマリ １６bit = OK ８bit = NO
473: セカンダリ １６bit = OK ８bit = NO
473: 利用可能チャンネル
473: プライマリ MONO = OK STEREO = OK
473: セカンダリ MONO = OK STEREO = OK
474:DirectSound の初期化は正常に終了しました
474:DirectDraw 関連の初期化を行います
474: DirectDraw オブジェクトの取得を行います.... 成功
478: 引き続き初期化処理... 初期化に成功しました
480: ビデオカードの情報
481: 画面モード変更処理を開始します
542: 画面モードの変更処理を開始します 640 x 480 16 bit
542: ウインドウモードにします
543: 画面モードの変更は正常に終了しました
543: カラー情報
543: A:00000000 B:00ff0000 G:0000ff00 B:000000ff
543: ウインドウスタイルをウインドウモード用に変更します... 完了
545: 出力画面用の DirectDrawSurface を作成します
650: 各スクリーンメモリの配置位置
650: PrimaryBuffer : VIDEOMEMORY
651: BaskBuffer : VIDEOMEMORY
651: 出力画面用の DirectDrawSurface の作成は正常に終了しました
651: Direct3D 関連の初期化を行います
652: Ｄｉｒｅｃｔ３Ｄオブジェクトを取得します
653: Ｄｉｒｅｃｔ３Ｄオブジェクトを取得しました
657: ３Ｄデバイスを作成します... ３Ｄデバイスの作成に成功しました
671: テクスチャ最大幅:2048 最小幅:1
671: 描画制限: D_D3DPTEXTURECAPS_POW2 = 1 D_D3DPTEXTURECAPS_SQUAREONLY = 0
671: テクスチャピクセルフォーマット
672: 通常グラフィック用
672: BIT:16 RED:5 GREEN:6 BLUE:5
672: RED:00f800 GREEN:0007e0 BLUE:00001f
672: BIT:32 RED:8 GREEN:8 BLUE:8
673: RED:ff0000 GREEN:00ff00 BLUE:0000ff
673: アルファチャンネル付きグラフィック用
673: BIT:16 ALPHA:4 RED:4 GREEN:4 BLUE:4
673: ALPHA:0000f000 RED:00000f00 GREEN:000000f0 BLUE:0000000f
674: BIT:32 ALPHA:8 RED:8 GREEN:8 BLUE:8
674: ALPHA:ff000000 RED:00ff0000 GREEN:0000ff00 BLUE:000000ff
674: Direct3D 関連の初期化は正常に終了しました
674: グラフィック管理系の初期化を行います
675: ３Ｄグラフィック描画機能を使用します
677: フォントの初期化を行います
681: フォントの初期化は正常に終了しました
681: グラフィック管理系の初期化は正常に終了しました
1106: サーフェス間転送には BltFast を使用します
1106: BitBlt:213752μs BltFast:207383μs
1106: スキャンラインの数:864
1205: １フレーム当たりの時間は 13 msecです
1205: Tri00:13 msec
1205: Tri01:13 msec
1206: Tri02:14 msec
1206: Tri03:13 msec
1206: 画面モード変更処理は正常に終了しました
1282: オーバーレイサーフェスを使用します UYVY
1282: DirectDraw 関連の初期化は正常に終了しました
1284: 文字コードバッファの初期化を行います... 完了しました
1332: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/enemy/bossback.png がありません
1338: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/enemy/bossback3.png がありません
1340: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/enemy/bossback4.png がありません
1404: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/bullet/ef2.png がありません
1505: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face_pl00no_u.png がありません
1506: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face_pl00n2_u.png がありません
1507: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face_pl00hp_u.png がありません
1509: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face_pl00dp_u.png がありません
1510: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face_pl00sw_u.png がありません
1511: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face_pl00sp_u.png がありません
1513: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face_pl00an_u.png がありません
1514: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face_pl00pr_u.png がありません
1515: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face_pl00no_d.png がありません
1628: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face07n2_u.png がありません
1629: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face07n2_u.png がありません
1631: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face07lo_u.png がありません
1632: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face07an_u.png がありません
1633: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/face/face07no_d.png がありません
1836: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/back/10/scroll0.png がありません
1837: グラフィックファイル ./dat/img/back/10/mawaru1.png がありません
1892: 右記のＷＡＶファイルのロードに失敗しました：./dat/se/se_damage00.wav
1895: 右記のＷＡＶファイルのロードに失敗しました：./dat/se/se_damage01.wav
1911: 右記のＷＡＶファイルのロードに失敗しました：./dat/se/se_focus.wav
1925: ウインドウを閉じようとしています
1946: ウインドウが破棄されようとしています
1946: ソフトを終了する準備が整いました
1959: DirectDraw 関連の終了処理をおこないます
1967: フォントの初期化を行います
1970: フォントの初期化は正常に終了しました
1970: グラフィック管理系の終了処理は正常に終了しました
1971: Direct3D 関連の終了処理を行います
1974: ３Ｄデバイスの削除は正常に終了しました
1974: Direct3D 関連の終了処理は正常に終了しました
1974: メインサーフェスを破棄をします... 完了しました
1979: ＤｉｒｅｃｔＤｒａｗオブジェクトを解放します
1980: ＤｉｒｅｃｔＤｒａｗオブジェクトを解放しました
1980: DirectDraw 関連の終了処理は正常に終了しました
1980: DirectInput 関連の終了処理... 完了
1986: DirectSound の終了処理は正常に終了しました
1987:
1987: Alloc memory dump Total size:0(0.000kb) Alloc num:0
1988:
I tried putting the images and sounds into the right folders, and it still crashes.
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Youmu's pretty terrible, actually!
Reimu's great though, stick with her. Or use Sakuya so you don't have to fight Sakuya?
The issue is that I've got a clear with everyone but Reisen, Lyrica and Mystia. Youmu is good for survival, since you don't lose resources clearing bullets, her L2 attack is strong, her shot power is really good, and her focus speed is just perfect for my dodging style. She's the only character I ever no-deathed Komachi and Aya as, and I actually managed to hit Shiki during her first round.
I would also like to note that: 100% of deaths to Stage 6 Sakuya are because the game hates me. 100% of deaths to Reisen as Cirno are because stupidity lol. Failed another 1cc as Reisen during the last 3 seconds of Shikieiki's final phase. brb using ez modo to unlock aya :colonveeplusalpha:
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MoF Phantasm suffers from bad design choices. Mainly implemented because when a game is supposed to be HARD, amateur testers and programmers don't seem to take into account balancing whatsoever and mainly aim to just horribly rape the player in as many ways as possible. Yes, this is the shmupverse, but the genre does not excuse poor difficulty balancing.
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Vague Recollection of Kinkaku-ji. 1238 attempts before I did it. I never want to see that card again. If there's a third Shoot the Bullet, he's gonna sneak it in there I just know it.
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Vague Recollection of Kinkaku-ji. 1238 attempts before I did it. I never want to see that card again. If there's a third Shoot the Bullet, he's gonna sneak it in there I just know it.
He's probably not gonna use a pattern three times. But there isn't really anything else in DS that's as vicious as StB 9-6.
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*checks*
Took 70 shots before getting DS 9-7 here.
1024 for StB 9-6 :V
Meanwhile, my EoSD score.dat had some silly cheatery in it so I had to nuke it. Beat my old Normal score, but not Extra yet. :(
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"c'mon, dodge one more pixel to the left and you're clear"
"FUCK"
This sums up my experience with SA.
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DS 3-4 clear!
After 149 photos. :V
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"c'mon, dodge one more pixel to the left and you're clear"
"FUCK"
This sums up my experience with SA.
Protip: Dodge one more pixel to the left.
Clipped!
Seriously though. SA is probably the game that is most heavy on pixel perfect dodging.(Satori's non-spells, BoWaP, Ghost Wheels, Midboss Orin S4, Okuu's 1st and final card etc.) I wouldn't advise testing my luck against such attacks in 1cc attempts if that's what you're going at.
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"c'mon, dodge one more pixel to the left and you're clear"
"FUCK"
This sums up my experience with SA.
It's even worse if it happens in Subterranean Sun when the boss is exploding (I didn't know it still sucks you in)...
Okuu's 1st card is $&^$% as well, requiring you to dash halfway across the screen precisely,
and her 4th card requires a lot of precision to fit between 2 bullets that are practically touching each other.
Satori's non-spells, BoWaP, Ghost Wheels, Midboss Orin S4, Okuu's 1st and final card etc.
Depends on the difficulty though. I find S4 Orin and Satori not bad on normal.
S5 and S6 (Orin/Okuu) on the other hand, :V clip clip clip
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Okay, so I've heard people say that playing StB improved their skills. Someone please tell me if DS is not supposed to do that. Because I go back to the regular shooters after playing DS for a while, and I find myself significantly worse than before. Considering controls, yes that's expected, since Aya's controls are different. But why the fuck did my reading skills deteriorate too? It felt like I had taken a full break from Touhou, instead of just playing a related game. I lost my ability to read the lasers in Magic Milky Way, for crying out loud. And that card's not even hard.
Obligatory RNG complaints go here too. The walls in Moses' Miracle just steadily closed in on me until I was crushed. And I'm not exaggerating it either. I'm still in shock at how well "executed" that was. Had no chance to get out whatsoever. Is there seriously no one else here that hates seeing something like this happen to them?
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Okay, so I've heard people say that playing StB improved their skills.
Someone please tell me if DS is not supposed to do that.
I find it the other way around. Playing stuff like lunatic improves my skills for StB.
Like when I first touched StB, I couldn't get pass stage 2, and so I give up for a while.
Then, every couple of months, when I go back to try StB for a bit of fun,
I clear a couple more stages/scenes without much effort, while they felt like impossible previously.
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I lost my ability to read the lasers in Magic Milky Way, for crying out loud. And that card's not even hard.
I think I just cried a little, inside.
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I think I just cried a little, inside.
The Hard version, forgot to mention that. And I'm serious, the lasers grew consistently easy to read after a while.
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Got an urge to play EoSD stage 6.
Game over on Thousand Needle Mountain.
Further proof I need to stop playing for a while. ;^_^
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Scarlet Gensokyo lunatic is freaking EVIL
WHY, after having been playing that stage for 6 months, am I still unable to dodge its semi-walls?
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Obligatory RNG complaints go here too. The walls in Moses' Miracle just steadily closed in on me until I was crushed. And I'm not exaggerating it either. I'm still in shock at how well "executed" that was. Had no chance to get out whatsoever. Is there seriously no one else here that hates seeing something like this happen to them?
I'd like to see a replay of getting walled at Moses Miracle.
But i agree. its not nice when ZUN's RNG's decide to kill you.
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God dammit Y cant I perfect stage 3 normal. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9380)
I mean ITS FREAKING NORMAL mode.
and I bomb like 99999999 times on the stupid stuff.
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I can't time out Hinas midboss card - lunatic. I got to 2 seconds left on my 10th try, and after another 80 tries or so my best was 7 seconds left. Nothing else came even close to that.
edit: I figured out a strategy to beat it after like 200 attempts.
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One-death run of EoSD Stage 5 Lunatic.
Why is this in the rage/despair thread?
The death happened as Sakuya was exploding.
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I think I just cried a little, inside.
It's not that hard... Though I don't know the significance of faster stars on Lunatic.
Aside from timing it out no horizontal on Normal, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88u-X7Vobt8&feature=related) I captured the hard mode version on my first try. No horizontal. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNcpQc1jGlo)
Buuut... HOW DID I FAIL TWO SA 1CC'S? ON NORMAL...
god I need to stop using Patch Earth during Utsuho's last card.
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Fucking fuck.
UFO Extra is pissing me off soo much right now.
I finally get past Red UFOs after somehow failing that card repeatedly every run so far, and what do I go and do?
Fuck up Blue UFOs.
ARGH.
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Mima is such a terrible fight. I'd have perfected this a long time ago if it weren't for the stupidity in her fourth phase.
EDIT: 73 minutes of non-stop attempts, five 1DNB runs to show for it. I think I've figured out everything that needs to be done at this point, but some luck factors still need to fall into place and her last phase bullets need to stop being so terribly designed.
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Fucking fuck.
UFO Extra is pissing me off soo much right now.
THIS FUCKING RAGE INDUCING STAGE.
400+ attempts. Made it to Kogasa 90 times. Made it to Nue 30 times. Made it to survival ONCE. Never cleared it.
How the hell is Nue supposed to be easy? Even Flandre is way easier, and Koishi is not this bad.
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RadLinker is a pretty cool program. Eh removes the input lag from any non-Touhou doujin and ain't afraid of anything.
So yeah, it's pretty much a v-sync patch for everything non Touhou.
I haven't really tested it on MoF phantasm yet though.
Follow the instructions from Azinth's post. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5997.msg357475#msg357475)
I tried downloading RadLinker but Azinths post doesn't really say much about how to use it. I download the program and install it which adds a Create Radlink and Custom Settings.
Create Radlink ads an option that doesn't seem to do anything and i don't get what Custom Settings means. It adds some file but how to change that and use it i don't understand. I'll continue looking into this because i really want to give MoF Phantasm a proper chance.
EDIT:
Even though playing it with these controls give me the indication that the game is flamingly awful. I have seen multiple instances of the game downright ignoring my input and input lag makes any advanced dodge maneuver IMPOSSIBLE to pull off.
Just take Phantasm Momizi's final spell. The original version of the card was much better because the controls worked. In MoF Phantasm, i can't do anything involving unfocused movement or micrododging. That limits me quite a bit.
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THIS FUCKING RAGE INDUCING STAGE.
400+ attempts. Made it to Kogasa 90 times. Made it to Nue 30 times. Made it to survival ONCE. Never cleared it.
How the hell is Nue supposed to be easy? Even Flandre is way easier, and Koishi is not this bad.
Stop restarting the instant you die, use bombs more often and work out a decent UFO path. The stage is difficult-ish but Nue is one of the easiest ex-bosses in the series. Hell, I beat the stage blind so it can't be that hard.
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Tbh, I felt input lag in the official games after playing MoF Phantasm for a while :V
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Tbh, I felt input lag in the official games after playing MoF Phantasm for a while :V
If you mean to say that the official games have more input lag than MoF Phantasm... you are on the way to destruction. BURN TO THE GROUND. BURN! :]
THIS FUCKING RAGE INDUCING STAGE.
400+ attempts. Made it to Kogasa 90 times. Made it to Nue 30 times. Made it to survival ONCE. Never cleared it.
How the hell is Nue supposed to be easy? Even Flandre is way easier, and Koishi is not this bad.
Why don't you take this to the Spellcard Help topic? Give us information on what is difficult and we'll help you out.
And i wouldn't classify Nue as being easy by EX boss standards. Just look at Mokou, Yukari and Suwako. How many of their cards are absolute jokes once you work them out? Even Koishi is like this. Nue does offer quite a good selection of decently challenging cards though.
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Nue does offer quite a good selection of decently challenging cards though.
if 2 is a good selection, then sure
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If you mean to say that the official games have more input lag than MoF Phantasm... you are on the way to destruction. BURN TO THE GROUND. BURN! :]
Yes that's exactly what I meant :getdown:
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if 2 is a good selection, then sure
Flan has QED. That's about it. Maybe Starbow Break.
Yukari has BoLad. That's about it.
Mokou has rings of doom. That's about it.
Suwako has nothing.
Koishi has nothing.
Nues difficulty hugely depend on the character you use. SanaeB and MarisaA have very good benefits against her because they are so good at destroying UFO's. Nue's hard cards are imo: Grudge Bow, Nightmare (suck at memo, have to read, AB bullets in close formation make mess of Zengeku reading), Undefined Darkness (probably only because i'm too lazy to check your video). The rainbow UFO also is a bit intimidating but its not really that hard. It did prove more challenging to me in the past though.
Yes that's exactly what I meant :getdown:
Alright. You'll now have to listen to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfTsvWTtoiQ) for five minutes. Then you'll understand the true meaning of burning to the ground.
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Flan has QED. That's about it. Maybe Starbow Break.
Catadioptric, Maze of Love if you have trouble running it.
Yukari has BoLad. That's about it.
Double Death Butterfly.
Mokou has rings of doom. That's about it.
...alright. PbP's second phase is easy to screw up, but yeah, entirely doable.
Suwako has nothing.
Suwa War.
Koishi has nothing.
Genetics.
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Suwa War.
Froggy Braves the Elements.
Genetics.
Rorschach.
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.Double Death Butterfly
Except that can be trivialized.
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Catadioptric
I can't recall when i failed that last. Even in my early days of when i started getting serious about extra clearing i didn't find that spell very hard.
Maze of Love if you have trouble running it.
I use the trick of standing at the bottom of the screen and micrododging. Its a short sequence of a few taps.
Double Death Butterfly and Genetics.
Pretty easy to me but it might well qualify as a challenging card as it is hard by Extra standard.
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Suwa War.
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Alright, that might be a little tricky. I don't know any way to consistently capture it but if you get a little lucky at the final seconds its not too bad.
Froggy Braves the Elements.
Rorschach.
Formless points out some cards that i can agree are considerably more difficult than Genetics and Suwa War. I don't really fear any of them but they are certainly tough by EX standard.
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How the hell I fail so hard on PCB Normal when I make it all the way to Ultimate Buddhist in Extra thanks to the awesomeness that is Reimu A? I have to bomb every fucking single of Youmu`s moves.
By the way, what`s the easiest and most efficent way to dodge Princess Tenko -Illusion-? Half of the time I`m still between butterflies when she launches the next attack and a bit too close to dodge incoming wave of bullets...
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Except that can be trivialized.
by what, breaking a border?
lolololol
Critz, you don't rely on ReimuA's homing to get you through stuff. You still need to know how to handle patterns and shit. It's spoiling you, and you're anti-learning how to dodge. Use a straightforward character for a while. Also, post a replay.
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I am ready to strangle something right now
I tried UFO Extra after about 2 weeks of not playing, got to Nue the first run, with 0 lives and 0 bombs...
After about 8 runs I just quit, 6 of those were after Midboss!Kogasa.
Karakasa Surprising Slash is stupid, I died when the laser was DEMATERIALIZING, Kogasa was exploding and as soon as I hit the laser it disappeared.
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by what, breaking a border?
lolololol
Yeeeaaano.
Just watch the capture. Everything else is insignificant. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9399)
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How the hell I fail so hard on PCB Normal when I make it all the way to Ultimate Buddhist in Extra thanks to the awesomeness that is Reimu A?
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By the way, what`s the easiest and most efficent way to dodge Princess Tenko -Illusion-?
Not using ReimuA. That card gets pretty tricky with low powered shot types that can't end it before it gets too fast. Other than that, just seek to dodge as many waves as possible by waiting for Ran to teleport on top of you and then moving straight down for maximum damage output. When you need to direct her back up, try to stay on top of her as long as you dare.
PCB's Extra was the first one I cleared and I remember how much I struggled with it. I did many many attempts with SakuyaA, thinking that the homing would make it easy but just couldn't do it. Then I decided to try SakuyaB and cleared the whole stage on my first try. I just checked how ReimuA works in that stage and seriously, all attacks take freaking forever to finish (I did capture Unilateral Contact and Izuna Gongen though).
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That card gets pretty tricky with low powered shot types that can't end it before it gets too fast.
I time it out all the time. It's seriously loleasy.
semi-related note: decided to play Ran... epic fail...
died in her opening, her first spell, and then tackled her right after when auto-collecting
Then no death the until the survival, and game overed by ramming my face into bullets.
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The thing is: without homing cards like Banquet of 12 General Gods turn into survivals for me, as I can`t really keep myself in line with Ran when I`m barely surviving/bombspamming. Just watch how chaotic my movements are on Princess Tenko. With other shottype, I would never finish this spellcard. Same with Soaring Guardian God. Plus with Reimu A I manage to deathbomb sometimes. Her focus speed is just perfect for me and her bomb lasts longer than Evil Sealing Circle/Duplex Barrier and still clears most of the bullets, and does some damage too.
Sakuya A is too fast on focus to me, her homing is worse. No deathbomb for me too, so I use all of her 4 bombs way too fast.
Here`s my best attempt so far:
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9401
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You should post your questions/difficulties in the spell card help thread if you really need help.
But anyways, I watched your replay, and...
1. Seriously get more point items ! You are letting them drop like leaves. You should get the 200 point extend during the stage and the 500 point extend somewhere in Ran. You will really need them.
2. Reimu A is seriously really really crippling. Try Reimu B or Sakuya for god sake.
3. Don't rely on death bomb; plan your bombs and border breaks to maximize free shooting time and clear bullets.
Soaring Guardian God
Follow Chen and macrododge all the bullets. You only have to micrododge one or two waves.
I recommend watch a replay to really understand how Chen moves.
Banquet of 12 General Gods
Don't worry about the position of Ran. Just DODGE as best as you can. Watch a video or replay for strategies.
It looks really really scary, but the bullets are slow enough for you to micrododge.
Charming Siege from All Sides
Learn the hitbox of the bubbles and aggressively move through them to avoid walls.
Don't let the bullets come to you or you get walled.
Princess Tenko
If you can't stay under Ran, there is a much easier path to time it out than your chaotic movements.
Basically, misdirect the aimed shot so that it's not straight down or up.
Then, unfocus and move vertically through the straight part of the ring. Repeat until time is out.
Ultimate Buddhist
It's really easy once you get it. Listen for the sound and circle close to Ran when the red laser activates.
Exit the red lasers and move to bottom center when you hear the sound again.
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Using Reimu A simplifies the Extra Stage, but it makes Ran ridiculous in some ways. I haven't played as anyone other Reimu B for ages, so I did a run just there. Some of her cards actually become harder because they take *forever* to clear, two of them being the ones you mentioned as being easier (Banquet and Princess Tenko), and Chen's midboss spell easily took twice as long as it would be with Reimu B. Genuinely the only card it helped with was Descent of Izuna, and I still had to bomb that when what I thought was a safespot turned out to be a death trap during the blue wave.
Replay here: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9402
Ignore the stage, didn't get as many borders as I expected so bombed to get point items instead. Ran shows how to do most spells except Charming Siege (I suck at Charming Siege). Note that the unilateral contract technique I use sometimes just doesn't work; have your finger on the bomb button. ;)
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That replay looks so familiar. If you look at Ran's movements in General Gods in that replay you'll see that she's actually following you when you move to the right. I'm pretty sure you would have cleared the card quicker with ReimuA. Also you should notice that bomb time and damage are not much of an issue in Extra, because the boss is invulnerable to bombs during spell cards.
Some other pointers:
- You should move to the middle in Soaring Guardian God when Chen is going around in a big circle. None of the small bullets will reach you there. That card is pretty confusing at first but it becomes pretty easy when you learn a good movement pattern for it.
- In Fox-Tanuki Youkai Laser, streaming slowly to one side will just get you cornered. You should rather alternate directing the blasts left and right. Leave some space between two blasts so you don't get tangled in the previous one while dodging the next.
I attached the replay of my first ever clear of the stage in case you're interested. When I did that I couldn't even 1cc normal without increasing the starting lives so at least it shows how I dealt with most of the stuff without any real dodging skill.
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That way to dodge Soaring Guardian God seems pretty crazy to me, but I`ll try it. Why the hell didn`t I think about misdirecting on Princess Tenko >_> *slaps self*. Now I`m afraid that I`ll die horribly once I reach Unilateral Contact...but I can`t be too greedy. I just want to once reach the hell that is Kokkuri-san's Contract. Thanks for your help. I`ll play some more once I get some sleep. G`night.
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Formless points out some cards that i can agree are considerably more difficult than Genetics and Suwa War. I don't really fear any of them but they are certainly tough by EX standard.
You think Froggy Braves the Elements is harder than Suwa War? And Rorschach is harder than Genetics?
I have no idea what the hell you're talking about anymore.
Also
FIVE DEATHS WITH FULL POWER
GOD
DAMN
IT
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You think Froggy Braves the Elements is harder than Suwa War? And Rorschach is harder than Genetics?
I have no idea what the hell you're talking about anymore.
Lets get one thing straight. I don't think either Genetics or Rorschach is hard at all but Rorschach provides much smaller gaps.
As for Froggy and Suwa War: They aren't really that threatening. Suwa War might be a harder can than Froggy but if what you care about is survival then its easier to know when to bomb at Suwa War than it is as Froggy.
Then again, i sometimes mess up Suwa War but i'm consistent at Froggy so you might be right there.
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asdgfasdghjk
Not only am I playing much much worse than 3 months ago, failing deatbombs with border team (!!!), but my best IN lunatic try yesterday and my best IN lunatic try today ended at the exact same spot. No, that is not right...
Both times I game over'd at the exact same bullet! (large fairy at the very beginning of stage 5, going up after killing it and getting hit by the exact same stray bullet)
:colonveeplusalpha:
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*smugly*
I have been playing for around six or seven years now, and I have still not managed to complete Embodiment of Scarlet Devil!
Actually, my record is mostly quite consistent (almost all games played on Easy Mode):
Highly Responsive to Prayers - Stage 2.
Story of Eastern Wonderland - Stage 3 (Boss).
Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream - clear (x1).
Lotus Land Story - Stage 5 (Mid-Boss).
Mystic Square - Stage 4 (Boss).
Embodiment of Scarlet Devil - Stage 5 (Boss) [only game I play on Normal and the one I have played the most].
Perfect Cherry Blossom - Stage 5 (Boss).
Immaterial and Missing Power - clear (x2).
Imperishable Night - clear (x4).
Phantasmagoria of Flower View - clear (x many).
Shoot the Bullet - Stage 6 (partly done).
Mountain of Faith - Stage 4 (Boss) [not played much].
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody - barely played [struggles to run on my old laptop].
Subterranean Animism - Stage 4 (Boss) [not played much].
Undefined Fantastic Object - Stage 5 (Boss) [largely thanks to my old laptop slowing down under heavy fire].
I have not played Touhou Hisoutensoku at all, and not (yet) bought Double Spoiler. I almost always play Lasermari.
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arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhghghhhhhhhhh
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2734/th004.th.jpg) (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/th004.jpg/)
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Gave the EoSD Lunatic 1cc another try today. I got up to Patchy again, felt pretty good about myself, unlike I usually am when facing MarisaA!Patchy.
Right as I was about to capture Sylphae Horn High Level for the first time ever, a fly buzzed in my ear and I freaked out and started spazzing around and took a bullet to the face. That shattered my confidence for the rest of the run, and I game overed before even reaching midboss Sakuya :(
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*smugly*
I have been playing for around six or seven years now, and I have still not managed to complete Embodiment of Scarlet Devil!
Actually, my record is mostly quite consistent (almost all games played on Easy Mode):
And you have played for six or seven years? :/
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I'm out of practice after a month or so.
I...I can't 1cc IN anymore. I used to have no problem with it...
(http://i29.tinypic.com/10n4wtj.png)
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*smugly*
I have been playing for around six or seven years now, and I have still not managed to complete Embodiment of Scarlet Devil!
Actually, my record is mostly quite consistent (almost all games played on Easy Mode):
you see kids, this is why you should start trying normal/hard mode early, or you'll end up using stage bosses as markers of your skill rather than difficult levels :ohdear:
but yeah, even if you have no dodging skill whatsoever you should try 1CCing by memorizing places to bomb (aside from the non-shooters and SA :V)
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but yeah, even if you have no dodging skill whatsoever you should try 1CCing by memorizing places to bomb (aside from the non-shooters and SA :V)
Actually I'd say SA is the easiest on Easy out of the later games. SA Easy is toned down so much that it makes MoF look hard and most importantly, it doesn't have the pure cement wall known as VoWG at the end.
I used to recommend MoF because everyone else did, but seriously, take a look at easy Stage 5 & 6 and ask yourself if you think you could do that without knowledge of the hitboxes. Then look at SA's and note that even on the hard cards, there's usually at least gaps you can fit your entire sprite in, even if there are more bullets.
I still consider 6-8 better to begin with due to the amount of resources they throw at you, but SA Easy really isn't the brutal game that SA Lunatic is.
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Eeeh seeing as I failed SA Easy right after getting my first UFO Normal 1cc, I wouldn't recommend it.
Now how is SA Lunatic brutal ?
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Now how is SA Lunatic brutal ?
Mostly Orin, and the "discomfort zone" caused by the different engine. People who started with EoSD/PCB/IN struggle a lot more than usual with MoF/SA/UFO, and vice-versa.
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Eeeh seeing as I failed SA Easy right after getting my first UFO Normal 1cc, I wouldn't recommend it.
Well, that's just you. I 1cc'd SA Easy the day after I started Touhou, so it's certainly possible.
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Well I find it hard from a survival perspective, rather than the danmaku itself.. The bombs barely affect the bosses, and leave you weaker against subsequent attacks. Lives can only be gotten by not dying. In general, it plays more like a huge extra stage than the other games. I still struggle to beat it on Normal, even though I've cleared MoF Lunatic.
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(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4417/asdfpl.th.jpg) (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/asdfpl.jpg/)
Shit. Failed at least four spells I usually capture, too. Reimu A. Worst parts of this image are the non-black stars.
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Eeeh seeing as I failed SA Easy right after getting my first UFO Normal 1cc, I wouldn't recommend it.
Now how is SA Lunatic brutal ?
That's funny, I wasn't able to 1CC UFO Normal until after 1CC'ing pretty much everything else on Hard. SA was the only Easy 1CC I got on my first try too. Meanwhile, I still can't 1CC UFO Normal reliably and my UFO Hard runs tend to have some serious creditfeeding in them.
I don't actually consider SA Lunatic all that brutal, it's just that it takes a lot of practice to get through Recollection & Orin without losing all of your lives. Once you get that down, it's almost a free 1CC when compared to UFO (and dare I say it, MoF). Still haven't done it but it's closer than the others with less time invested.
As for the despair part... yeah I'm terrible at IN Hard too. Keine & Marisa should've swapped places with Eirin & Kaguya, seriously.
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No fair, ZUN. Why does Lunatic keep getting harder with each game!?
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So players don't wipe the game in a week then get bored of it.
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No fair, ZUN. Why does Lunatic keep getting harder with each game!?
They doesn't always. PoDD -> LLS.
EosD -> PCB
IN -> MoF
Sometimes the lunatic modes are easier than their previous installments.
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Really? I think EoSD is the easiest Lunatic to 1cc :/
Well, in the Windows series at least.
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Really? I think EoSD is the easiest Lunatic to 1cc :/
MoF would like to say hi, but it can't because I bombed it to death. :derp:
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tbh UFO lunatic isn't that hard either as long as you memorize a UFO route(and st3)
many people here can 1cc it, but it takes way too much effort outside of dodging
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I suck at shmups
That sums up the last two days, I guess
:fail:
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4cc'd that Gengetu script I like to play after downloading Naut's UFO Sanae shot-types.
I pressed the wrong button and Fraps didn't record it.
X(
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(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/485/asdf2.th.jpg) (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/asdf2.jpg/)
Reimu B. Collected my UFOs incorrectly for the post-Nue big blue, lost out on about 120 mil. Bombed on this. Bombed on this. You can imagine the rest of the fight went swimmingly. Ended on Magic Milky Way.
I swear if this decent score squandering pattern continues...
4cc'd that Gengetu script I like to play after downloading Naut's UFO Sanae shot-types.
: D
I pressed the wrong button and Fraps didn't record it.
D :
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EoSD Hard attempt ended by pre-Midboss Sakuya Nameless Fairy on stage 6.
Eh.
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4cc'd that Gengetu script I like to play after downloading Naut's UFO Sanae shot-types.
I pressed the wrong button and Fraps didn't record it.
X(
Play with Ketsui Reimu.
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Random IN Hard Sakuya run got stopped by Life Spring Infinity... good thing I was very confident on Hourai Jewel ::) Solo humans are twisted fun.
I didn't expect this to be so hard as I can do it with Reimu, and I didn't expect Sakuya to be that much worse... oh boy. Keine was a breeze surprisingly, but everything from then on turned into a bombing contest. Highlights include entering stage 4 6/0 and leaving 2/3 despite an extend, and pulling off a one-bomb deathbomb against Reisen...
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(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/485/asdf2.th.jpg) (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/asdf2.jpg/)
How the frag do people get point item values that high? I mean, collecting a token whilst there's a UFO token on the screen adds 1,000 to it, but you're 30k over the starting value. ???
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Play with Ketsui Reimu.
See, until I downloaded the Sanae shot types I used the Ketsui shot types, but they have a crippling flaw: They have something like a .01 second deathbomb time to emulate Cave games as much as possible. You may see why I could never get any decent runs with them. :P
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How the frag do people get point item values that high? I mean, collecting a token whilst there's a UFO token on the screen adds 1,000 to it, but you're 30k over the starting value. ???
It's picking up tokens for the most part, yes, and you want to hold off summoning UFOs for as long as possible so you can grab several tokens at the same time... and you want Rainbow UFOs for a good part of the game to get extra tokens (it'd be more enlightening to see a replay for "proper" UFO chaining). The point value also goes up by +10 for every 10 bullets you graze or cancel, which is how the very top players can reach even higher point values.
Of course, I'm still trying to break the billion mark on Normal for good myself... Lunatic? Hah
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How the frag do people get point item values that high? I mean, collecting a token whilst there's a UFO token on the screen adds 1,000 to it, but you're 30k over the starting value. ???
Over thirty "wasted" UFOs... :derp: I screwed up UFO collecting in this run so my point value is 5-6k less than it should be for my route.
Scoring really takes a toll on your resources in UFO. I love it.
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Shou. All of her. Both Lunatic and Hard.
Nazrin is too cute to get angry at, and she even looks cuter on Stage 5.
Oh, and the yin-yang orbs on UFO Stage 5. Have some sort of idea as to how dodge the bullets without having to bomb, but still...
In other news, got to UFO Stage 6 on Lunatic and was just trying to unlock it for practice. But then, after pausing the game during the Byakuren fight, somehow character movement gets stuck to the right.
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You know what sucks?
When you beat your high score and aren't satisfied because you missed practically infinite points.
Edit: OMFG just failed Flying Fantastica on EASY. :fail:
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Fuck Sakuya. Fuck her right in her wall-launching, shitty-hitboxed-knife-spamming ass. She is why EoSD sucks.
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She's fairer than Patchouli or Remilia is, only things that you can really call BS on it are the second nonspell and Killing Doll, and even those can be consistently done by a good player. I just completely suck at the fight. I still somehow managed to get screwed by Jack the Ludo Bile on my 1cc and somehow captured Killing Doll on it.
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Sakuya isn't that bad for me.
I think the only wtf spell is Killing Doll lunatic, which is auto bomb for me.
Oh, and her 1st non-spell can sometimes wall you easily.
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Sure, semi-randomly firing up PoDD and getting to Yumemi with Ellen is obviously good.... but goddamnit that's the thirt time I fail an Ellen run after getting Yumemi down to half a heart, no bombs and no gauge. :<
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Seriously I swear my copy of MoF has 2x-sized hitboxes because none of the other games randomly kill me when barely even in graze range of a bullet and more importantly, none of them do at least 5 times during Aya
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She's fairer than Patchouli or Remilia is
Certainly. Sakuya is probably the best fight in the game. No wall shit, no bubbles, no metal fatigue bullets.
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I swear if this decent score squandering pattern continues...
Ahh, how naive I am to think it wouldn't (http://yfrog.com/0fasdf3sj)! Missed the post-Nue blue by a long shot, too. 61k point value was pretty cool, would've been a nice post-Nue blue :(
Died on Byakuren's opener... Capped Milky Way, though.
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Certainly. Sakuya is probably the best fight in the game. No wall shit, no bubbles, no metal fatigue bullets.
random knives lol
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No wall shit
:V
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I don't know why I suck at watching bullets and UFO at the same time so much. I can beat some games on hard and can't even consistently 1cc beyond stage 3 on normal in UFO. :(
Seriously though, if I beat Koishi (which I haven't really gave any serious tries yet) berfore I can consistently get past stage 4, I think I'm just going to yoink someone's record file, try to beat UFO's extra, and ignore the main stages forever.
EDIT: On an unrelated note, Scarlet Gensokyo (on hard) hates me. Of the few times I got close to capturing it, once had me dying just as Remilia is blowing up, once Remilia sent down one of her walls seconds away from being defeated. once a bullet split out of a nearby wall and killed me. I've captured Scarlet Meister more times than I have on Scarlet Gensokyo...
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EoSD Stage 6 lunatic
oh WHY do I suck so much using Marisa A? Seriously.
Switched back to Marisa B and easily cleared it with lives to spare. :V
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Then tried Marisa B lunatic run.
HOW DID I FUCKING MISS 10 TIMES BEFORE MEILING?
Why do I always screw up so easily? I KNOW I can no death Stage 1-3. I've DONE it multiple times.
Yet after all these months of playing, I still can't... get a decent lunatic run reliably... AARRH
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misses != deaths
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So I'm having my best run of PCB hard ever. Everything has gone right apart from losing a border on Douman-Seiman. Even Stage 4 went fantastically well, and I'm mathematically certain to get the 1200pt item life with a cherrymax higher than I've ever had. My goal of 1 billion points looked all but sown up.
Get to Youmu. Bomb Flashing Slash after I get into a bad position by accident. No biggy, I'm 8/1, it's all good.
Then I clipdeath Approaching Disillusion. It was either literally the edge of my hitbox or input lag, I can't remember. But it's cool, I've got tons of lives left, plenty of resource points. I'm good, I can do this. (1 death)
Then I die on Seven Sins as well because my post-border immunity decides to just not exist for once. Bit shaken. (2 deaths)
I need to spend two bombs to get through the rapewall, one of which was a focus bomb, so combined with the two deaths mean the 100+ point items aren't worth nearly as much as they should be. So I have one bomb left for Ageless Obsess...Oh, I died there too. (3 deaths)
I then border break Yuyuko's first non spell.
FAIL LOST SOUL'S VILLAGE.
Somehow capture deadly dance.
Die to the knives. (4 deaths)
Fuck up the cherry on the knives so I don't get a border at the start of Flowery Soul.
MESS UP COLLECTING POWER ITEMS AND HAVE 127 POWER WITH THE REMAINDER FALLING OFF SCREEN. It gets better.
I THEN DIE ON YUYUKO'S FOURTH NON-SPELL. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUU (5 deaths)
Fight absolute, unrelenting urge to ragequit.
Capture repository with 1 second left.
Bomb Sumizome a couple of times
Cap Res Butterfly.
Finish 4/2, score adds up, I don't even break 900 million. Joypad gets thrown.
Unbelievably disgusted. At least it's not as bad as Imperishable Night where the last 90 seconds of the game are worth 400 million points by themselves, but failing the simplest of crap and missing my goal because of it just makes me feel horrible.
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why do I still play these games
the only thing that's left that's any fun is SA, but I derp too hard to really enjoy that
then there's tHRtP, which is silly
PoDD, which is FRIGGIN' RETARDED
and UFO, which I loathe utterly
seriously argh
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why do I still play these games
stuff
seriously argh
You play them with the intention of improving and the eventual hope that you'll overcome UFO Lunatic.
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You play them with the intention of improving and the eventual hope that you'll overcome UFO Lunatic.
Maybe right on the first half. I don't play UFO anymore. I probably won't for quite some time. Despite all my efforts to enjoy the game, I still cannot take any pleasure in playing it.
Also that was the most derptastic Suwako run in a LONG time. I think the only captures were Long-Arm and Long-Leg and Frog is Eaten by Snake Due to Croak (sorry, I love that name too much to use the patch's version). Game over on Suwa War.
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Honest Man`s fucking death...just, what the hell, Zun? I have an idea how to dodge that, but...
Also...http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9479 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9479) :D
Thanks people. I wouldn`t do it without your help...Yeah, kind of a border fluke but this wasn`t my luckiest run either. Actually I lost once very close to the end, but then I had the urge to unlock SakuyaB and switch to her from SakuyaA. Won on my first try with her 0_0.
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Honest Man`s fucking death...just, what the hell, Zun. I have an idea how to dodge that, but...
Go through the laser.
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What theshim said. See, a property of IN lasers is that they aren't "activated" until they reach maximum power. The laser on Honest Man's Death is timed to activate once is reaches the point you are at when it is fired. Therefore, by moving towards where the laser was fired, you will be in an area where it is still reaching maximum power and it will pass harmlessly over you.
Just thought you'd be more confident with a technical analysis. Knowing the lasers have this property is also useful for attacks like Kaguya's second and fourth spell cards.
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Last Night night I game overed on Byakuren's 3rd non-spell on Normal...
Just now I game overed on SINKER GHOST...
excuse me while I go cry
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(http://i30.servimg.com/u/f30/12/80/32/92/th/untitl28.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=636&u=12803292)
[10:03] <Baitikkuri> AND IT JUST CRASHED
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[10:03] <Baitikkuri> AND IT JUST CRASHED
Funny thing is, that happened to me too! Same spot and difficulty.
It was my only Lunatic run that was actually going really well, it might have 1cced ;_;
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Oh, yay! My computer is working again! Time for some fun.
......
Frikkin' Fujiyama Volcano!
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Should've sent it to Microsoft
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So yeah, decided to try and record a Kana 1cc even though the world probably doesn't need more PoDD videos. Two runs (one yesterday and one today), two game overs to Yumemi (the last one with three deaths to Ellen). 2nd and 4th places on my highscore (http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8915/poddhighscores.png) list, which is interesting, I guess, if little consolation.
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(http://i30.servimg.com/u/f30/12/80/32/92/th/untitl33.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=641&u=12803292)
This (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9501) run features the RNG trying to kill me at every instance possible. Not to mention the end of Stage 5. Ugh.
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You mean what happens to me every damn time I play that game. The RNG fucking hates me, and the same goes in EoSD.
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shit now I can't even 1cc IN with Sakuya/Remilia. Died 4 times to Reimu. Didn't capture any of Reisen's cards.
What the fuck is happening to me.
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I think Mugetu is a bitch to defeat because she is jealous that her sister is cooler than her and also has an epic theme.
Gengetu is a piece of cake compared to Mugetu.
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I have been trying to unlock SA extra with marisa A for ages. Then one day this happened:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9597/fuuuuuk.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9597/fuuuuuk.jpg)
Notice how the final boss does not have any health left at the end of her final spellcard and me being dead :derp:
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Notice how the final boss does not have any health left at the end of her final spellcard and me being dead :derp:
I've died as Utsuho was exploding quite a few times, cuz I forget that you still get sucked in.
It's quite rage inducing if you got caught by surprise that way.
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happened to me on IN lunatic
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(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9092/snapshot004a.th.png) (http://img227.imageshack.us/i/snapshot004a.png/)
...technically, this is extra stuff.
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More PoDD.
Denied a one-in-a-lifetime chance at a Kotohime 1LC because SOMEONE who I DON'T EVEN WANT TO KNOW WHO IT WAS OR ELSE I'LL HAVE TO KILL SOMEONE IN MY FAMILY enters the room unnoticed and PUTS A HAND IN MY SHOULDER FROM GOD KNOWS WHERE.
Then I lose four more as-close-as-it-gets rounds to Yumemi* because GODDAMN IF I COULD CONCENTRATE AGAIN.
FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKK
edit, GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING TYPOS FFFFFFFFFFFFF
*edit again for additional info: the last two rounds weren't that close, to be honest, even though I was getting lucky. round durations, in order: 6:40, 4:15, 3:45, 2:40, 2:30. :fail:
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(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9092/snapshot004a.th.png) (http://img227.imageshack.us/i/snapshot004a.png/)
...technically, this is extra stuff.
Is...is that on one credit?
If so, :o
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(http://i30.servimg.com/u/f30/12/80/32/92/th/untitl33.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=641&u=12803292)
This (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9501) run features the RNG trying to kill me at every instance possible. Not to mention the end of Stage 5. Ugh.
One word for that: UNFAIR, totally unfair
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(http://i30.servimg.com/u/f30/12/80/32/92/th/untitl33.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=641&u=12803292)
This (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9501) run features the RNG trying to kill me at every instance possible. Not to mention the end of Stage 5. Ugh.
WTF @ the point value. Seriously, are there even that many UFOs in the freaking game!?
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WTF @ the point value. Seriously, are there even that many UFOs in the freaking game!?
Watch the high score replay (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/File:Th12_ud1224.rpy) and be amazed.
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Touhou-induced despair, huh?
How about Yamame's damned... spider silk-themed spellcard whose name totally escapes me? That, and Unzan's Brofists. (Both from DS)
Oh, and giant Suika. I have given that one a single shot after unlocking it several weeks ago...
Giant Suika haunts my nightmares. ._.
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I kept dying to Charming Siege from All Sides today. Freaking RNG would make the lines of bullets leave only a small opening for over 10 seconds, so I'd eventually try to dodge a bubble bullet the wrong way and trap myself.
In one of the runs there were 4 bubble bullets in that space what the hell.
Then I cleared it after the bubble bullets refused to come near me, and I died to the non-spell afterwards. I NEVER die to that non-spell!...which is actually quite surprising as it's the one that seems to be the hardest.
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Again trying that elusive Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana timeout.
Got hit with 9 seconds left.
:fail:
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(http://i30.servimg.com/u/f30/12/80/32/92/th/untitl33.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=641&u=12803292)
This (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9501) run features the RNG trying to kill me at every instance possible. Not to mention the end of Stage 5. Ugh.
I WARNED YOU ABOUT LUCKSHIT BRO
I TOLD YOU DOG
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Today was hopeful first PCB Lunatic 1cc day... I died three times with full bombs on stock to Lunasa's opener, all three times because I was apparently expecting bullets to come down from above. I died once of course to their first spellcard, you know, the one that's just all streaming (at least I didn't die to Lyrica I guess?).
I left stage 4 0/2, my legs tied and ready to slice my wrist, but the powers of bomb and border abuse got me through Youmu 0/3 with my last extent to come... I even manage to reach Resurrection Butterfly 0/0, but the game agreed I didn't deserve a clear and ended my misery on the first wave. Maybe it wasn't so smart after all to spent two bombs on the fairy spam when I had a border coming, and two more on Repository of Hirokawa on all things... ::)
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So I finally beat Flandre. Which is good. I've beaten all the main shmup Windows extras.
Except my successful score is lower than a failed run. D:
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IN Lunatic Stage 6a ND2B (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9534)
everything perfect up until astronomical entombing which isnt really a hard spellcard but managed to get hit 2 times even after destroying the slaves on both sides.... lost the will to capture hourai elixir
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Mokou was a quarter of a life bar away. One quarter. That's by far the furthest I've gotten with her.
Words cannot describe how much I despise Fujiyama Volcano. I've now gotten close or have captured all of Mokou's spell cards, even thought I had a good deal of trouble with them when I started practicing Mokou and nothing but Mokou (isn't there a word/phrase specifically for this?). Fujiyama Volcano still costs me between one to three lives if I'm particularly slow and I NEVER finish it with any bombs to spare if I only die once/twice.
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Use Spell Practice for Fujiyama Volcano. As the game makes you restart at the center of the screen after you die, it's REALLY hard to dodge anything afterwards.
You can go over her in the waves she doesn't shoot the circles of round bullets, and avoid having to change directions between waves of aimed arrows. Use Spell Practice to find out which waves are safe and which are not.
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Suwako is making me rage. Stupid clip deaths everywhere. Can't even make it half way through.
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As if I wasn't already fed up with glowing bullets.
I am now convinced that the glowing properties of any bullet moving at least somewhat fast interferes with my ability to read even their individual trajectories. This isn't just the bullets blending into each other anymore - any glowing bullet that's not reasonably slow appears too vaguely defined for me to adequately judge and dodge. Never mind the fact that all bullets moving at decent speeds already appear to have choppy movements by virtue of the games running at a measly 60 FPS. But my God, why does UFO keep finding ways to make me hate it more? I really want another good reason to play that game other than "because it exists".
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I made it past Ran's Charming Seige From All Sides card with 1 Life and 1 Bomb left... the next card ended me.
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by virtue of the games running at a measly 60 FPS
60 fps is what it's supposed to run at, isn't it? Or are you saying that 6 times faster than the human eye can process an image is too slow?
...is there something you're not telling us? (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/suspicion.png)
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Yes, it's supposed to run at 60 FPS. Everyone and their mother knows that. My point is that limiting a moving object to only 60 different positions per second means that quickly covering a lot of ground will produce what appears to be a "skipping" or otherwise "not smooth" motion as it travels (even though it is technically still traveling in a straight line or whatever motion it's programmed to have). This limit in the amount of positions a fast bullet can have is the reason you see things like Aya getting inside one of Suwako's iron rings in DS (two fast-moving objects appear to skip over each other).
Now I'm not an expert on exactly how other shumps implement higher FPS, though I hear it does happen, and supposedly for the very reason to prevent skipping over bullets. Again, not an expert, so don't quote me on that. A higher FPS in Touhou games would solve a problem like this, but we all know ZUN will never implement it. :V
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For motion, 60FPS is pretty smooth imo.
Even if you increase the fps, your monitor won't update that quick to stop the choppiness.
The solution to fast bullet choppiness is motion blur, which would obviously screwup dodging.
Sure you can increase the fps to stop the lucky dodges, but why? I mean, they aren't happening that often.
Plus, some people can't play it more than 60fps due to crappy computer.
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Bullets don't have choppy movements because of 60fps, bullets have choppy movements because you have choppy reading.
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My third 1DNB of Murasa. Where did I fail?
Her second non-spell.
...There are times you can only laugh. It being 3:08 in the morning helps.
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Watch the high score replay (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/File:Th12_ud1224.rpy) and be amazed.
To be a bit more on the fair side, it's best to compare with a similar Shot Type (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/File:Th12_ud1220.rpy). Particularly since Reimu can't graze bullets worth crap in most cases.
Boosting Item Value itself isn't that difficult over the course of the game; IIRC I was able to get to 40k in my first 1cc by simply collecting Blue UFOs and using Bombs to maximize freedom of movement.
I WARNED YOU ABOUT LUCKSHIT BRO
I TOLD YOU DOG
Yeah, "luckshit" that only occurs once every 200 or so runs.
I'm still waiting you know. Hop to it and show us what you're made of.
Now I'm not an expert on exactly how other shumps implement higher FPS, though I hear it does happen, and supposedly for the very reason to prevent skipping over bullets. Again, not an expert, so don't quote me on that. A higher FPS in Touhou games would solve a problem like this, but we all know ZUN will never implement it. :V
Older shmups don't have higher FPS at all. Only the newer (or rather, more recent) ones do because they're running on specific hardware that allows for a higher FPS.
EDIT:
Even if you increase the fps, your monitor won't update that quick to stop the choppiness.
And while we're at it, a large number of people don't / can't even run monitors that have the capacity to run a refresh rate of >60Hz.
Not going to comment on choppiness and its relation to reading a trajectory.
(http://i30.servimg.com/u/f30/12/80/32/92/th/untitl37.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=651&u=12803292)
I didn't see the bullet until it was too late; by the time my eyes did register "oh there's a bullet" I was already going on an imminent side-on collision with said bullet.
...or I could blame the fact that I didn't manage to destroy one UFO on Stage 2, thereby depriving me of my much "needed" fragment.
Cut: I'm honestly surprised you haven't done it yet. In all honesty, I've actually lost count how many times I've perfected her. Now go get some sleep like a "normal person".
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It's her third non-spell. If I could become consistent on it I'd have done it already. But when it's not that non-spell it's Dipper Creeping Close. And when it's not Dipper Creeping Close it's Sinkable Vortex. And when it's none of those...derp mistakes like this happen. :( Hence why I Hate Perfecting Bosses.
/me drops into dream land
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...game over on Scarlet Meister at 0%ish health followed by Scarlet Gensokyo capture THIS IS MAKING ME RAGE AT A VERY RAPID RATE
On the plus side Patchouli only took 4 lives this time so that's a major improvement
Edit: after falling back to Hard I swear Hard is harder than Lunatic because Remilia's cards are either exactly the same or more of a clusterfuck than they are on Lunatic.
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Fourth 1DNB run of Murasa. This time I got an unlucky position in Eternally Anchored Ghost Ship and got essentially walled. X( Sooner or later I'll run out of places to ruin myself.
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I was happy about beating 12.3 arcade mode on lunatic, until I figured out that the difficulty selection on the character select screen doesn't work.
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Fourth 1DNB run of Murasa. This time I got an unlucky position in Eternally Anchored Ghost Ship and got essentially walled. X( Sooner or later I'll run out of places to ruin myself.
Don't worry. You'll mess up at survival card when the time comes.
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Lunatic 2cc of PCB.
Why was it a 2cc?
I died three times on Chen.
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anytime you want to bomb
anytime at all
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After finally getting past EoSD Stage 2 Lunatic without dying very stupidly*, another 1cc attempt ended at Vampire Illusion. I ended up no-deathing everything up until the last attack in Stage 4's stage portion, where I utterly messed up my motions. It went all downhill from there. CLIPPED a laser in Patchouli's second nonspell at the very last possible moment, died on Mercury Poison and Emerald Megalith (then again, everyone seems to die on Emerald Megalith). Somehow managed to pull off some deathbombs during Sakuya, but that was probably because I was getting too nervous and stuff. Then Eternal Meek because, well, fucking randomness. Down to 1/4, I couldn't focus at all during Remilia. And the rest is history.
Really, if only RemiuB's bomb was a bit stronger (or longer, either one), I'd have a chance.
*To those who would say "don't waste garbage runs", I say don't bother talking. Experience has taught me otherwise here.
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Don't worry. You'll mess up at survival card when the time comes.
Second 1DNB happened because of a careless clip on the last 10 seconds of Dipper Creeping close. :|
Actually you know what, you're right; I can screw up closer to the time limit than that. :P
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I am now convinced that the glowing properties of any bullet moving at least somewhat fast interferes with my ability to read even their individual trajectories. [...] any glowing bullet that's not reasonably slow appears too vaguely defined for me to adequately judge and dodge. Never mind the fact that all bullets moving at decent speeds already appear to have choppy movements by virtue of the games running at a measly 60 FPS.
My point is that limiting a moving object to only 60 different positions per second means that quickly covering a lot of ground will produce what appears to be a "skipping" or otherwise "not smooth" motion as it travels (even though it is technically still traveling in a straight line or whatever motion it's programmed to have). This limit in the amount of positions a fast bullet can have is the reason you see things like Aya getting inside one of Suwako's iron rings in DS (two fast-moving objects appear to skip over each other).
CLIPPED [...] Really, if only RemiuB's bomb was a bit stronger (or longer, either one), I'd have a chance. To those who would say "don't waste garbage runs", I say don't bother talking. Experience has taught me otherwise here.
(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8427/srslystopit.jpg)
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Yeah, try saying that to everyone else who posts in this thread while you're at it.
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I think you currently require more attention than everyone else who posts in this thread.
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well, I was kinda sad when I realised that I'm terrible at touhou games, I have a difficult time on easy. (perhaps due to my ADD, I can't focus on the player for the whole time)
and its also sad the lack of attention Satori is getting. both in gensyoko and the fanbase.
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I have ADHD but I am fine at playing touhou
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I think you currently require more attention than everyone else who posts in this thread.
Then hop to it, why don't you? Simply complaining about me raging in a rage thread won't cut it, no matter how insane I might sound. If I really do sound that absurd to you, then take my arguments and tear them apart. Make me the laughingstock of MotK or something in the process (yeah masochism :V).
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Then hop to it, why don't you?
Welp, I'll take this one.
Simply complaining about me raging in a rage thread won't cut it, no matter how insane I might sound.
There is some way I can take this sentence and turn it back on yourself, but I haven't the capacity to think of how to do it right now. Something along the lines of "simply complaining about Touhou games won't make you better," or something like that. Whatever, let's move on to your arguments, shall we?
Yes, it's supposed to run at 60 FPS. Everyone and their mother knows that. My point is that limiting a moving object to only 60 different positions per second means that quickly covering a lot of ground will produce what appears to be a "skipping" or otherwise "not smooth" motion as it travels (even though it is technically still traveling in a straight line or whatever motion it's programmed to have). This limit in the amount of positions a fast bullet can have is the reason you see things like Aya getting inside one of Suwako's iron rings in DS (two fast-moving objects appear to skip over each other).
Now I'm not an expert on exactly how other shumps implement higher FPS, though I hear it does happen, and supposedly for the very reason to prevent skipping over bullets. Again, not an expert, so don't quote me on that. A higher FPS in Touhou games would solve a problem like this, but we all know ZUN will never implement it. :V
Might as well quote the whole thing. First of all, everything in the game is processed at 60 frames per second, since everything in the game needs to be updated at 60 frames per second, not just collision detection or movement. Going for higher FPS rates means you have less time to process absolutely everything, and you can't expect everybody to have amazing computers that are able to do this. Calculating collision around a circle (or rectangle as the case may have it) takes a decent amount of processing power, especially since you may have to check over 2000 points on the screen at any given time, all in less than 1/60th of a second. That's a lot of shit to check, even moreso since you then have to move through all the other logic in the game, the player code, boss movements, drawing algorithms, etc., all in that same time. Collision detection with a line segment is a lot heavier than collision around a circle/rectangle, which is what you would have to do if you wanted to detect if something collided with the space between the bullet's position in the last frame and the bullet's position in the current frame. It's simply not feasible, even at lower frame rates, to do so many calculations in such a short period of time, and expect most computers to be able to handle it. So the games will only perform the rectangle/circle collision detection, but do it so many times per second that it is extremely unlikely that anything will skip over something else. 60 FPS is a happy medium between this feasible collision detection threshold and limiting how much you can do in one frame. Older games could get away with lower FPS rates since the hitboxes were so much larger for the most part, so the likelyhood of something completely skipping over something else was even lower. It should be noted that bullets completely skipping over you is extremely unlikely, since 60fps is fast enough to detect these collisions 99.999% of the time. Even so, bullets skipping over you is basically your advantage, and shows why these games are extremely biased in your favor and why words like "clipped" mean absolutely nothing. The bullets have to fucking nail you, this proves it.
Let's continue on with basically the same argument...
I am now convinced that the glowing properties of any bullet moving at least somewhat fast interferes with my ability to read even their individual trajectories. This isn't just the bullets blending into each other anymore - any glowing bullet that's not reasonably slow appears too vaguely defined for me to adequately judge and dodge. Never mind the fact that all bullets moving at decent speeds already appear to have choppy movements by virtue of the games running at a measly 60 FPS.
As somebody has already mentioned a little earlier, modern computer monitors have (usually fixed) refresh rates of 60hz, meaning that it will only display stuff every 1/60th of a second. Some monitors allow you to hit 75hz for whatever reason, but most of the time it's either 60 or 75 hertz. A monitor with a higher refresh rate would be extremely expensive, since it has to be able to draw that much quicker to display all the information correctly. Not only that, but the higher the resolution, the less feasible it is to have a higher refresh rate, since the monitor will have so much more shit to draw in even less time. So, to help curb really expensive monitors, they usually have a contant refresh rate that everybody can base their stuff around... This being 60hz, since the human eye has trouble perceiving information at higher rates, particularly non-grayscale information. My point with this is, if shmups ran at higher FPS rates, there would be frames calculated that serve absolutely no purpose, since you will never see them because of the monitor's refresh rate. Games that allow infinite fps rates serve no real purpose other than bragging rights, since if they ran at 800fps, but your monitor only displays 60 things a second, there are so many wasted frames that your monitor will just never draw and that you will never see.
How does this come back to you? You complain that Touhou only draws stuff at 60 FPS and that isn't fast enough. Disregarding the fact your eyes can't perceive things much, if at all faster, you never really have the chance to anyway. Most monitors will only display stuff at 60hz, so all those games that run at extremely high FPS rates won't display things any faster than Touhou running at 60. Your argument is completely invalid.
*To those who would say "don't waste garbage runs", I say don't bother talking. Experience has taught me otherwise here.
Yet here you are, making up foolish excuses as to why you're failing. Don't waste garbage runs.
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Wait, why are we going into such technical details over a shmup
if you are failing, dodge better
that's all
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if you are failing, dodge better
that's all
Pretty much what this all boils down to, in all honesty.
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I am now convinced that the glowing properties of any bullet moving at least somewhat fast interferes with my ability to read even their individual trajectories. This isn't just the bullets blending into each other anymore - any glowing bullet that's not reasonably slow appears too vaguely defined for me to adequately judge and dodge. Never mind the fact that all bullets moving at decent speeds already appear to have choppy movements by virtue of the games running at a measly 60 FPS.
If you mean midboss Nazrin spell card as well as Shou 1st and last card, I can`t agree more. By the time the bullets stop being just a freaking glowing line, they suddenly start accelerating to make reading their paths almost impossible, beucase you have to focus on all directions around your character. I prefer bosses like Youmu, where reading paths is much more important than reflexes. I can`t agree about 60 FPS not being enough, though. Human eye doesn`t even need that much - I play MoF and later games with 1/2 frameskip to avoid severe slowdown on my computer (even then FPS sometimes drop below 60, which in reality is 30 due to frameskip). The fact that I suck a lot more in MoF and later games is kinda suspicious, though :derp:
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I remained cautious talking about FPS, namely because I didn't know too much about it. Your details are very helpful. I'm not necessarily complaining about Touhou not running fast enough, it's something that for some unknown reason I forgot to mention before (and I deeply apologize for the confusion I know I caused). The reason I have so much trouble reading fast-moving glowing bullets is that they literally hurt my eyes. I know it sounds completely ridiculous, and I really, really, really wish this wasn't the case, but that's the way it is for me. It's a personal complaint in all honesty. I'm assuming no one else here experiences this either.
Also, I mentioned Suwako's iron ring attack more to give an example how the 60 FPS rate can affect you. You are right though, something like that does benefit the player, even if it feels kind of unorthodox (never mind that only a few characters can consistently take advantage of it).
My experiences with dying early in 1cc runs is why I'm so adamant about it. A majority of my successful 1ccs across all difficulties (the lower ones back when I was newer, of course) finished with really low resources (i.e. 0 or 1 lives). I've also had many more 1cc attempts than I'd like failing close to the end because I died early, again across all difficulties. I've heard many stories here about people not giving up garbage runs and succeeding, and that's fine. The reason why I prefer to perform well early is that it can make a difference - it doesn't have to happen often, only present a relatively easy opportunity to help maximize my chances. That's just my take on it.
Something along the lines of "simply complaining about Touhou games won't make you better," or something like that.
I'd say the concept's good enough to get to me, even though I was trying to make a different point. This series of threads is meant for people to share whatever is making them angry while playing Touhou (from personal mistakes to what flaws some games do have). That's why I said I wanted Drake to do something more than what seemed like disagreeing with at least part of the purpose of a rage thread.
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If you mean midboss Nazrin spell card as well as Shou 1st and last card, I can`t agree more.
I actually meant cards like Guerilla Typhoon. Nazrin and Shou's cards that you mentioned are slow enough for this to not be an issue. They have some measure of additive blending (not that serious either), but that's a different point.
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I'll say it again
on my IN 1cc, I deathbombed against Wriggle and died against Mystia
of course, Keine was equally horrible
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Well, now that you've posted my post will probably have less of an impacted effect when coupled with Naut's, but whatever.
I am now convinced that the glowing properties of any bullet moving at least somewhat fast interferes with my ability to read even their individual trajectories. [...] any glowing bullet that's not reasonably slow appears too vaguely defined for me to adequately judge and dodge.
If you mean midboss Nazrin spell card as well as Shou 1st and last card, I can`t agree more. By the time the bullets stop being just a freaking glowing line, they suddenly start accelerating to make reading their paths almost impossible, beucase you have to focus on all directions around your character. I prefer bosses like Youmu, where reading paths is much more important than reflexes.
This is also inexcusable. First of all, any and all inability to read where the bullets are going is primarily your fault. React better, plain and simple. Trajectory of any round bullet in Touhou games do not affect how they are drawn, and as such the only thing extra ambiguous about these bullets is the simple animation. In any case, the movement during the animation should not be extreme enough to disrupt your perception of where said bullet is. Once again, the only fault here is your own, whether or not you have a harder time reading it. Even if the only problem is that the bullets hurt your eyes, this is still more of your fault than the game's. Put on sunglasses or some shit.
In the case of the specific patterns mentioned, they are all static. There is a simple offset in Nazrin's midboss card if I recall correctly, but all three of these attacks are perfectly static. If anything, complain about the latter half of Stage 5 because it's unanimously agreed that it sucks balls.
In shmups, dodging is dodging. Whether you have to pathfind or react on reflexes, it is only different methods to approach the same result. Using only reflexes or only pathfinding would be incredibly boring, this is why shmups include a combination of the two, along with streaming. A bullet hell game where you use only one dodging strategy has bad design. The purpose is to throw anything they can at you to kill you without being humanly unfair (and even then the border is frail and is passed often). You want pathfinding in your shmup? Go solve a fucking maze or two.
I can`t agree about 60 FPS not being enough, though. Human eye doesn`t even need that much - I play MoF and later games with 1/2 frameskip to avoid severe slowdown on my computer (even then FPS sometimes drop below 60, which in reality is 30 due to frameskip). The fact that I suck a lot more in MoF and later games is kinda suspicious, though :derp:
Playing at 30fps is actually enough of a detriment to hinder your playing ability on higher difficulties. Therefore the drop in drawing rate could be attributed to your failure, but it is known that because of the engine there is quite a difference in how the games are played. Many agree that the later games are somewhat harder.
Really, if only RemiuB's bomb was a bit stronger (or longer, either one), I'd have a chance.
I don't even know how to respond to this. Just what the shit man.
Funen, what bugs me the most about you is that you don't seem to realize that your constant whining about how the games work, and refusal to believe that you're at fault for any and all shortcomings is the reason you are not getting any better and continuously fail. Upon which you come back here and whine more and say your skills have plateau'd, Touhou is getting boring to you, you should take yet another break and stuff like that. You're unlike Banana's who purely bitches for the sake of bitching, and instead you blame the game at any possible moment for just not being able to beat it. You have this crazy backwards attitude about the games; this is why you suck at Touhou, and why you might continue to suck at Touhou.
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memorizing sucks
UFO sucks
MoF+ power system sucks
the music sucks
not enough dynamics for a shmup
EoSD hitboxes suck
EoSD luckshit sucks
SA controls suck
but the rest of the hitboxes are perfectly ok
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how the hell did I die three times on BoWaP
what the hell is this crap
stop stop stop it already
stop the crap
the BS deaths
the stupid crap where I know I pushed left
the pixel perfect bullets
the enemies firing when they die
the bullets from offscreen
stop it already
just stop the stupidity
I should have 1cc'd this three weeks ago
why the hell am I still doing this
stop it stop it goddamnit goddamnit goddamnit damnit damnit damnit wnsadkasdblfksd blfjlsdbafj
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join the bowap haters club
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shit damn
shit damn
shit damn
(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4014/shitdamn.th.jpg) (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/shitdamn.jpg/)
i hate seeing white stars, especially marisa a white stars
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how much points does clearing add anyways
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15 - 20 million
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Funen, what bugs me the most about you is that you don't seem to realize that your constant whining about how the games work, and refusal to believe that you're at fault for any and all shortcomings is the reason you are not getting any better and continuously fail. Upon which you come back here and whine more and say your skills have plateau'd, Touhou is getting boring to you, you should take yet another break and stuff like that. You're unlike Banana's who purely bitches for the sake of bitching, and instead you blame the game at any possible moment for just not being able to beat it. You have this crazy backwards attitude about the games; this is why you suck at Touhou, and why you might continue to suck at Touhou.
Now that's a bit more like making a fool out of me. :V
But in all seriousness, not everything. A lot, I admit, but not everything. My latest attempt at an EoSD Lunatic 1cc failed because I've apparently redeveloped a "don't bomb" habit. I can recognize when I can't read things like Super-ego and the Catwalk (Lunatic) or when I couldn't control my fingers for a moment and died because of it. Stuff like this happens to me all the time, even when it's a good day. But as much as I hate making mistakes, I don't get too riled up about those things unless the failure was really spectacular. It's the things that I don't feel like I could entirely help even with improved skills that have made me post here lately. Should I reexamine what I think about these aspects? Yes, I should. I can at least assure you I'll do that.
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join the bowap haters club
I don't hate BoWaP. I usually capture it.
This only contributes to RAGE.
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join the bowap haters club
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYXKLpswrvw
Sorry, couldn`t resist. :derp:
And I feel that Shou would be more fair if she had some kind of time stop effect like Sakuya/Youmu/Reisen that would allow you to read their path, even if that would mean a bit more bullets. Just a little excuse :derp:.
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I can recognize when I can't read things like Super-ego and the Catwalk (Lunatic)
The fact that you've 1cc'd a few Lunatics but can't read Superego (nay, the fact that you're comparing Superego to Lunatic Catwalk) just baffles me, to be honest.
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Timestop is retarded.
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The fact that you've 1cc'd a few Lunatics but can't read Superego (nay, the fact that you're comparing Superego to Lunatic Catwalk) just baffles me, to be honest.
I'm not comparing the two, only stating what I have trouble reading. I used to capture Super-ego consistently, but apparently I've lost my mojo on it. Don't ask how, but I'm in the process of relearning the trajectories.
And aren't PCB and MoF, like, iji modo among the Windows Lunatics?
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I am so incredibly sick of SA S1-3. So many times. So many times. So many goddamn times.
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I actually meant cards like Guerilla Typhoon.
I don't find that too hard, I mean, you just have move in advance so that you account for the bullet movement.
Glue your eyes to the left side of the screen and move through gaps.
Really, if only RemiuB's bomb was a bit stronger (or longer, either one), I'd have a chance.
Play Marisa B then, plus you don't have to deal with "Bury in the Lake" and Rage Trilithon High Level is easy.
And aren't PCB and MoF, like, iji modo among the Windows Lunatics?
MoF, yes b/c of lolbombs! The cards aren't easy though, imo
PCB, I think it's a bit hard if you are playing Marisa, due to only 2 bombs,
other wise, the huge amount of borders and bombs would get you pretty far.
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Guerrilla Typhoon
Also consider moving along with the bullets if the wave coming toward you is too packed.
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Play Marisa B then, plus you don't have to deal with "Bury in the Lake" and Rage Trilithon High Level is easy.
I'm not sure I'd be able to Master Spark through everything (that's her real selling point, from what I've seen). Normally I play ReimuB or MarisaA, but both have noticeable flaws (compared to each other, anyway). ReimuB's bomb is rather weak and short-lived, but I'm terrible at micrododging with fast-as-lightning Marisa. Who I play depends on what I feel like at the time, because I have similar success (or rather, failure :V) with both.
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Every time I fail a Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana timeout attempt with less than 20 seconds to go, I die a little inside.
It's beginning to add up alarmingly.
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So I remembered "right, I haven't been thrashed by Murasa today!" and booted up UFO.
Sinking Anchor.
I died to Sinking Anchor.
By not getting out of the way of the first anchor in time.
I could do nothing but make guttural noises for twenty seconds.
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if I die with three or more power again I will BREAK something
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GAME OVER ON SCARLET MEISTER NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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I was really liking MarisaB in SA. Then Recollection "Philosopher's Stone" happened.
...3 lives and some weak-as-hell bombs lost and I'm never playing MarisaB again
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I was really liking MarisaB in SA. Then Recollection "Philosopher's Stone" happened.
...3 lives and some weak-as-hell bombs lost and I'm never playing MarisaB again
Now that you know you don't really like that card... have you tried using the bomb more aggressively? You need to get the boss within the circles to deal any damage, and preferably at the intersection of all five circles, so you have to be very close to point blank range. Fortunately, Philosopher's Stone takes several seconds to fire up, so that should be enough time to run up the screen and point-blank bomb Satori... it'll probably take two bombs, though, since Satori has so much health.
MarisaB is pretty fun, though, so I'd suggest not giving up on her! At least your bomb actually deals damage, unlike the other Marisas... (For maximum lethal potential, switch to Water or ideally Wood as you bomb from point blank range, and make sure all your shots are hitting)
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(For maximum lethal potential, switch to Water or ideally Wood as you bomb from point blank range, and make sure all your shots are hitting)
Wood is the better choice at point-blank, actually. Wood Sign at L3 power is the strongest shot in the game, so if you point-blank bomb at L4 power and then shotgun with wood, you're going to decimate anything in your way.
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I got to Murasa with max lives and came out with 4 lives. Failed horribly in stage 5 and reached Shou with only 1 life no bomb.. I tried again and reached Murasa with max lives again, just to do exactly same thing as my last run.
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Three months off Touhou has me now failing such incredibly difficult spellcards as Hell's Tokamak and Mad Dance on Medoteko.
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Three months off Touhou has me now failing such incredibly difficult spellcards as Hell's Tokamak and Mad Dance on Medoteko.
You know, your sarcasm kind of fades away on the second spellcard :V
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Wow. Mad Dance on Medoteko. Even when i have the roughest i-suck-horribly episodes where things like Yuyuko's boss fight becomes a great challenge i capture that card at least. Impressive.
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Now that you know you don't really like that card... have you tried using the bomb more aggressively? You need to get the boss within the circles to deal any damage, and preferably at the intersection of all five circles, so you have to be very close to point blank range. Fortunately, Philosopher's Stone takes several seconds to fire up, so that should be enough time to run up the screen and point-blank bomb Satori... it'll probably take two bombs, though, since Satori has so much health.
MarisaB is pretty fun, though, so I'd suggest not giving up on her! At least your bomb actually deals damage, unlike the other Marisas... (For maximum lethal potential, switch to Water or ideally Wood as you bomb from point blank range, and make sure all your shots are hitting)
...yeah I just read the text that says "you can switch shot types by tapping shot and focus" before doing Extra. I think knowing this would have helped a little bit.
I shall gladly take my automatically provided award of ⑨ (nine) derp points, thank you.
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Wow. Mad Dance on Medoteko. Even when i have the roughest i-suck-horribly episodes where things like Yuyuko's boss fight becomes a great challenge i capture that card at least. Impressive.
I still have problems with Medoteko :V
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Died on... LFO. I could've beat her if I used that last bomb ><
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You know, your sarcasm kind of fades away on the second spellcard :V
Or both :V
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I have a few Hard 1ccs and I can bomb-spam decently on Lunatic (SA or UFO stage 5, and a 1cc in IN or PCB), so I should be able to sail through MoF Hard, right? Right? I even did some VoWG Hard practice and captured it twice in a row, so I'm confident I can clear it with a bomb or two at worst...
Three 1cc attempts today ended on Kanako's third card, Kanako's fourth card, and Kanako's fourth non-card respectively, with mediocre scores of 300-450 million. ::) Most of those deaths were of the stupid "oops, I didn't see that bullet" variety... it feels like my brain can't focus enough to see the actual location and trajectory of bullets... I mean, how else would you fail Falling Leaves of Madness (Hard) for the first time...
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Seriously can't play worth shit today. I got to Murasa with six lives. Six.
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I'm in despair. I wonder when i'll get past Stage 4 in UFO?
I'm sure stage 3 is the culprit here. One death to the circular streaming phase at the end and one death to Ichirin's final non-spell embarassingly enough. I also had one death to Kogasa's final card which i still doesn't have a clue about how to beat. Its harder than any most stuff around Stage 5 and 6 for me. That can't be normal.
I also gotta stop choking on Stage 4 like that. I lost a life to the easy streaming part. Game overed on Sinkable Vortex. Why does this title have to be 10 times harder than usual? :V
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Brilliant Dragon Bullet...
SINCE WHEN WAS THE LASER PATTERN AIMED AND STATIC?
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>using Sanae B to break 1 billion
oh :ohdear:
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was that another game over with full power? why yes! yes it was!
what the HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2961/fuckssake.th.jpg) (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/fuckssake.jpg/)
For fuck's sake. I'm gonna need some pre-bombing training soon. Also, Sanae A for a change. Haha at 00/01 history, Sanae can go fuck herself :)
Now I only had 3 hours of sleep last night and was not expecting to play this well today, but still.
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Brilliant Dragon Bullet...
SINCE WHEN WAS THE LASER PATTERN AIMED AND STATIC?
Since the game was released i'd guess. If you don't know, moving to the right corner and dodging there makes things easier.
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So I tried PoFV again. Not much has changed.
Here's how each attempt went
Derp run of stage 1, restart
Reduce final boss Reimu to last life then game overed
Reduce final boss Reimu to last life then game overed
Game over to Komachi
Die 3 times to Aya then Game over to Komachi
Nothing changes. I'm not sure whether Shiki or Reimu is the harder final boss. They're both ridiculously hard to beat.
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this wouldn't be nearly as enraging if it was my brain that couldn't keep up, rather than my goddamn reflexes being just a hair slower so I keep dying while KNOWING WHAT HIT ME AND KNOWING THAT I PUSHED THE NECESSARY BUTTON
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So I perfected Stage 4 SA with very little effort on Normal. Why can't I beat Yuugi's final non-spell attack? I'm trying to perfect every stage in SA, but Stage 3 looks almost as inaccessible as Stage 5. Yeah, I'm pathetic.
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Perfect S1 on my first try? Only one death through S3? This could be the time!
Six lives at Satori!
Two lives at S5.
What the hell.
The remaining four deaths? Two with three power, two with four.
I am going to break something SO HARD.
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After having done an IN lunatic 1cc with Final A some days ago I thought I should try one with Final B now. After warming up with a little Remilia practice mode, I made my first attempt.
First stage perfect, my first death is on stage 4. I proceed to fail spectacularly on stage 4, going so far as to fail a deathbomb with border team, but considering how good I did on the first stages, it is still looking good for me. Stage 5 is okay and I enter Kaguya with 3 extra lives and 2 bombs.
Then it dawned upon me: I had never actually played Final B on lunatic! Actual lasers on Salamander Shield? Who knew? Still, through bomb abuse it all went ok. Then, with one spare life and zero bombs, I got to Hourai Jewel...
Do I need to say anything? Anything at all?
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EoSD normal stage 6
Before Remilia self - destruct, the continue screen appeared >.<
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this "dying twice to BoWaP every run" really needs to stop
I was able to capture it fairly consistently, what is this crap
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I tried UFO Hard for the first time... :ohdear:
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That was a pretty bad SanaeB Extra run (failed Kogasa's spinning wheel right as it cleared, died twice to the stage, clipped Snake Show, failed Rainbow UFO again, the one card I have yet to capture)... and then I clipped the survival right as it ended, and then this. Failing so badly takes some skill, I guess :ohdear:
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3779/grudgex.th.png) (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/grudgex.png/)
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*sigh* Another almost perfect run ruined by Grudge Bow.
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another hour and a half of SA runs
none got to S5
words
fail
me
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I can't even rage at this one. Too hilarious.
(http://i.imagehost.org/t/0044/hahaha.jpg) (http://i.imagehost.org/view/0044/hahaha)
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Fine, I think it's time to take a break...
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2493/ufon.th.png) (http://img175.imageshack.us/i/ufon.png/)
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Fine, I think it's time to take a break...
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2493/ufon.th.png) (http://img175.imageshack.us/i/ufon.png/)
which character
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which character
That was SanaeB, but I've had very similar results with ReimuA (smaller hitboxes don't help much to prevent stupid deaths).
I've finally got a real PCB Lunatic 1cc, filled with border abuse and lots of dumb mistakes... I managed to reach Yuyuko 4/3 despite that, and proceeded to blow all those resources to get a dreadful 0/2 clear and not even 800 million. Oh, well, it's a clear at least and that leaves a lot of room for improvement? :/
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I was only afraid that you would break my MarisaA score :V
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Seems like when it comes to me and VoWG, I always do well dodging stuff until I die, then everything falls apart. Latest attempt got to 73 seconds before dying, then I proceeded to die 6 more times before time ran out.
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I managed to reach Yuyuko 4/3 despite that, and proceeded to blow all those resources to get a dreadful 0/2 clear and not even 800 million. Oh, well, it's a clear at least and that leaves a lot of room for improvement? :/
My 1st 1cc of that game only gave me 600 millions or so. Its not too bad. Just be happy you won.
I was only afraid that you would break my MarisaA score :V
Bah. Naut already did that. :V
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UFO Hard...
Failing everything past Stage3 Midboss everytime...Shall I use ReimuA, SanaeA or SanaeB or ReimuB ?
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My 1st 1cc of that game only gave me 600 millions or so. Its not too bad. Just be happy you won.
Bah. Naut already did that. :V
But I failed to capture one card, he failed to capture two
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And I am now officially done with Luckshit of Scarlet Devil.
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HRtP no bombs 1cc done on camera. I perfected Kikuri during the process and ended with three lives.
/me goes to watch the video
(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6772/therearenowords.jpg)
Excuse me a moment.
*sob*
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try encoding it first, maybe it's just WMP being shit
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try encoding it first, maybe it's just WMP being shit
MeGUI spits it out without even trying to compress it. :\
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try fixing it in virtualdub
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Huh. It turns out VirtualDub can play it, but only time will tell if the video can still be properly chopped up, compressed, and uploaded.
EDIT: It can. I suppose I owe you one.
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So I heard the lazers are never a threat in Resurrection Butterfly / SFN
WELL NO (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9659)
Edit: Realised this should go into the :Derp: Thread insted oops :V
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2cc PCB Normal with ReimuB. I post this here because it was a 2cc... when I could have 1cc'ed. The issue? F***ing FLEAS! Being bitten and sucked dry by small insects while trying to not die for the 3rd time on Boss Youmu's Final Card, is harder then you think. Soon as I kill the little buggers and continue playing after pausing, more start bitting AND I die. Overall, if I died only once on that, I could have very well 1cc'ed Normal ReimuB, I died twice throughout Stage 6, and I had gotten an extend during Stage 6 as well, which, assuming I'm not failing at math, would have left me with 0 lives in the end, should I had not died like an idiot twice on Youmu's Final.
I cried so much... I failed a 1cc cause of some F***ing bugs... Woulda been my first real 1cc as well... *cries even more*
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sadgdfgdfg
I thought I had captured Grudge Bow for the first time....
and then I remembered I died about 2 seconds after it started. :C
and Koishi can suck a dick
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My only Grudge Bow capture is on a replay with 4.6% slowdown rate.
BAAAAW.
Seriously, that's only slightly pushing it. What's 3 more seconds to a 55 second card gonna do?
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Seriously, that's only slightly pushing it. What's 3 more seconds to a 55 second card gonna do?
I'd say plenty. I've bombed AND died within 3 seconds or so of the other in SA. Even if you don't get killed directly, the stress it adds in could get to killed :V Panic Deaths are my most common whenever I play.
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I mean, a 4.5% slowdown rate in that scenario would make things harder, since the speed difference is hardly noticeable (unless it jumps around).
Hmm.
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UFO Extra again. couldn't get anywhere at all. Keep dying randomly in the stage and Kogasa is a bitch.
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Super Ego Sucks really really really bad
here's proof
Pudding *shot for joke* (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9664)
This replay was the first time (15 attemps) that I passed super ego.
Went all the way to Philosophy of a hated pe*rams and clips*
Oh, uber slowdown due to computer sucking
(I just turned up frameskip as of this post)
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*facepalm* This makes 3 times this week, in 3 different games, I've narrowly beaten stage 4 and then gone on to Game Over to the FIRST WAVE of fairies on stage 5. Gah. Hard mode hates me.
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Danmaku Bounded Field. I forget when to move out of the center during the first wave and end up bombing. I then proceed to capture the rest of the attack, including doing the fourth wave without the safespot.
I hate forgetting things.
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Aside from one stupid death on Parsee's last card, this run was going great...right up to the point where I died to the orbs right before S4 Midboss Rin. You know, the streaming ones.
Death on Rin.
Two deaths before the end of the stage.
Death on Terrifying Hypnotism.
Death on DBDB.
Game over on BoWaP.
Every ounce of skill I possessed mysteriously evaporated when I hit midboss Rin. What the hell. What the hell. WHAT THE HELL.
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I beat Phantasm Romance up until stage 4 no deaths, and it STILL didn't give me the option to fight Yukari. >:( I mean what, is this score-based now? That makes things so much worse.
I wish I knew Danmakufu so I could take these stupid limiters off. 1ccing Another Mode with 2 lives left should be good enough to at least try extra.
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I wish I knew Danmakufu so I could take these stupid limiters off. 1ccing Another Mode with 2 lives left should be good enough to at least try extra.
You need at least three. No joke.
if(Continued==false&&extra3_flg&&GetPlayerLife>=3)
{
if(Extra34Select)
{
StageEx3;
}
else
{
StageEx4;
}
}
PhantasmRomance.txt, search for this code block (it's at line 73), and just go ahead and delete the &&GetPlayerLife>=3 portion (or even the Continued==false&& portion, if you're feeling particularly lame) and you'll automatically be given the option to fight one of the remaining two ex stages after successfully beating the game.
Have fun.
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Oh? So I just delete that entire line that says if(Continued==false&&extra3_flg&&GetPlayerLife>=3) and free extra and no lousy continue limit? Eeeexcellent. =D While we're at it, do you know the line that prevents me from reaching Yukari? I hate limiters that go beyond 1ccing. :[
EDIT: Oh...guess not. Deleting that line now makes the game not start. Good thing I backed up the script.
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Well, you can't just delete the whole line. That'll error. You can change it to
if(true)
if you want, which will allow you to always try the extra. And uh, Yukari... I assume you mean one the first two extra stages (s'been a while since I've played it). Welp, here are both:
if(Continued==false&&
((GetCommonData("LunaticMode")&&GetMissCount+GetBombCount<=5)||
(!GetCommonData("LunaticMode")&&GetMissCount+GetBombCount<=6)))
{
if(Extra1Select)
{
if(GetCommonData("LunaticMode")){extra2_flg=1;}
StageEx1;
}
}
Starting at line 59, those first three lines will also just change to if(true), giving you this:
if(true)
{
if(Extra1Select)
{
if(GetCommonData("LunaticMode")){extra2_flg=1;}
StageEx1;
}
}
By playing the first extra stage, you automatically play the second in place of stage 5. Of course, you must be playing Another Mode.
Provided you did all those things, your game should progress as follows:
[select another mode]
Stage 1
Stage 2
Stage 3
Stage Ex 1
Stage 4
Stage Ex 2
Stage 6 (if you haven't continued)
Choice between Stage Ex 3 or 4
End
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After trying and failing to do the first line that unlocks extra (no matter what I tried, the game would crash), I put in the line that unlocks Yukari and it worked. What's odd though is that I continued on the fight and it let me, but it ONLY let me continue once, as the next time it happened I got kicked out. ???
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Yeah, the game has it set to only let you continue once no matter what.
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Colourful Wind Chime hurts my eyes and I keep dying on it T_T
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Ooookay...Phantasm Romance. 1cc'd with FIVE lives remaining, extra still wouldn't rear its head. I suppose this means I have to fight Yukari, AND 1cc, AND have three lives remaining.
Peh. All I want is to play extra 4!
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Game over on Ghost Wheels with [] that much health left.
One death with one power.
All other deaths were two or more.
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One day I will figure out Murasa's third non-spell. It will be the most beautiful clarity where I will know how to dodge the second wave consistently, and then I will perfect her and laugh because I finally did something that I put a lot of effort into once again.
Someday.
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One day I will figure out Murasa's third non-spell. It will be the most beautiful clarity where I will know how to dodge the second wave consistently, and then I will perfect her and laugh because I finally did something that I put a lot of effort into once again.
Was very serious when I said that you dodge the second wave the same way as the first. It's completely static.
Here's a replay showing a really easy method to dodging it (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud07df.rpy). Just tap left a bunch of times. Not my replay.
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On the plus side, game over on Utsuho.
On the minus, four of the last six deaths were with three or four power. One with two. One with 0.
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Was very serious when I said that you dodge the second wave the same way as the first. It's completely static.
Here's a replay showing a really easy method to dodging it (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud07df.rpy). Just tap left a bunch of times. Not my replay.
It's not completely static, as Murasa moves. Sure the attack itself is the same, but if she moves down, the way I dodge the first wave no longer works because I don't have enough room.
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Metal-fatigue bullets. Two deaths in two seconds on Young Demon Lord.
And to think I actually had a chance at the 1cc before this.
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It's not completely static, as Murasa moves. Sure the attack itself is the same, but if she moves down, the way I dodge the first wave no longer works because I don't have enough room.
o sorry didnt notice
in other news, balls
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1173/assf.th.jpg) (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/assf.jpg/)
0/2 ::)
EDIT:
Oh look, a pattern
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8453/ass2w.th.jpg) (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/ass2w.jpg/)
I fucking hate patterns
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Metal-fatigue bullets.
Same...
Lunatic Young Demon Lord is sometimes easy and sometimes omgwhat.
Somehow I tend stand on the wrong side of the opening and still think I can go through.
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I apparently Master Sparked Flandre so hard in Mystical Chain that it crashed my game. Go figure. >_<
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Playing Scarlet Gensokyo again in Practice just sapped all confidence I had toward a possible Lunatic 1cc. Holy crap.
Also, I really, really, really have to stop dying with bombs in stock on Patchouli.
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I apparently Master Sparked Flandre so hard in Mystical Chain that it crashed my game. Go figure. >_<
DON'T SPARK ON 4 OF A KIND
Hitting 2 or more Flans at a time kills the game.
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DON'T SPARK ON 4 OF A KIND
Hitting 2 or more Flans at a time kills the game.
:o
Thanks for the tip. Are other spellcards ok?
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real men use Alice/Patchy anyway
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I only recall Master Spark crashing the game with those conditions; Marisa's normal laser doesn't crash it, at least for me. Other Spell Cards are fine. Or should be.
REAL MEN use Marisa Solo and 1cc the game.
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[22:30] <Kuruminut> AWW YEAH
[22:30] <Kuruminut> DIED WHILE LFO WAS EXPLODING
[22:30] <Kuruminut> GAME OVER. /o/
[22:30] <NeoSerela> I WAS RIGHT
[22:30] <NeoSerela> 8D
[22:30] <Kuruminut> :dragonforce:
Nerves are entirely to blame for the outcome of this run. I entered Murasa with 7 spare lives.
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UFO Stage 3 Lunatic perfect run ruined on the last card (as a matter of fact, two deaths on that card ::)). It's the strangest thing, I've captured King Kraken Strike more than Ichirin's final.
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(http://i30.servimg.com/u/f30/12/80/32/92/th/untitl56.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=690&u=12803292)
[09:47] <Baitikkuri> fuck i can't play ufo all of a sudden
[09:57] <Baitikkuri> <above image>
[09:58] <Drake> u suk
[09:59] <Baitikkuri> i almost don't want to finish this off
[09:59] <Baitikkuri> oh ok
[09:59] <Baitikkuri> 0/1 into syou best day EVER
[09:59] <Baitikkuri> let's fucking do this
[10:00] <Drake> death
[10:00] <Baitikkuri> gee thanks
[10:00] <Baitikkuri> as soon as you said it
[10:00] <Drake> lol
[10:00] <Baitikkuri> i mean wtf man
[10:01] <Baitikkuri> <below image>
(http://i30.servimg.com/u/f30/12/80/32/92/th/untitl57.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=691&u=12803292)
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Played some VoWG.
Many 4-6 death timeouts. Very few of them were misreads or failing to notice a wall. Almost every death was due to messing up movement. I got one 3 death timeout, but I should have had some 2 death ones.
I could so time this thing out if Reimu wasn't too damn fast.
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Reimu... too fast?
What, are you used to playing as Yuka in PoFV?
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I try to Macrododge the walls but then run into amulets instead.
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Sometimes I wonder how I can be so stubborn as to keep playing when tired. Not only can I not focus my mind, I can't even focus my eyes without them watering. Yet I keep playing. I really need to stop doing that.
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Sometimes I wonder how I can be so stubborn as to keep playing when tired. Not only can I not focus my mind, I can't even focus my eyes without them watering. Yet I keep playing. I really need to stop doing that.
Totally. ZUN's games suck. They are addicting but only late at night.
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I can read VoWG pretty fine. There have been few instances recently where I misread the card.
Unfortunately, I'm not even past a 3 death timeout yet because I can't stop fucking up easy dodges. I'd expect to screw up the hard ones, but I'm screwing up more easy dodges than hard ones.
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Chen's attacks on normal...or even easy.
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I know i'm not very good at fighting games but IaMP just sucks. Controls anyone? At least things got improved in SWR and Hisoutensoku.
*rage quit*
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I know i'm not very good at fighting games but IaMP just sucks. Controls anyone? At least things got improved in SWR and Hisoutensoku.
*rage quit*
Why not JUST play Hisoutensoku? Also why not just use your own controller and set it how you want them? I use a PS3 controller and it works just fine.
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I don't have a PS3 anymore. Maybe using 360 controller will be help. But playing this game on PC plain sucks. You need a controller.
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I don't have a PS3 anymore. Maybe using 360 controller will be help. But playing this game on PC plain sucks. You need a controller.
Well that goes for the shooters as well. You don't want to play a fighting game or shooter with a key board. That's great for FPS and all but with 2D stuff, controllers are necessary.
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Well that goes for the shooters as well. You don't want to play a fighting game or shooter with a key board. That's great for FPS and all but with 2D stuff, controllers are necessary.
I just want to make sure, do you mean to say that for you controllers are necessary for the shooters? I would call it quite the stretch to say that keyboards are utterly useless.
And to stay on topic, I finally captured all of Lunatic Ichirin's Spellcards in one run. Why is this here? Because I died on two of her nonspells too.
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I just want to make sure, do you mean to say that for you controllers are necessary for the shooters? I would call it quite the stretch to say that keyboards are utterly useless.
Well I can't really speak for others. Using a key board (for me) just feels way less relaxing, and therefore way more difficult.
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Well that goes for the shooters as well. You don't want to play a fighting game or shooter with a key board. That's great for FPS and all but with 2D stuff, controllers are necessary.
keyboard4lyfe mang
Apparently I hate wide-range shot types, since I can't stand playing as Sanae B or Marisa B in UFO long enough for me to even consider scoring as them. Maybe I just suck with them ;_;
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Back when I had just started playing, a clear of IN easy was a big deal. I was playing as scarlet team for no real reason, and ended up making it all the way through the game, way further than I expected. Got to Hourai Elixir. Laptop ran out of battery life. :V
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Back when I had just started playing, a clear of IN easy was a big deal. I was playing as scarlet team for no real reason, and ended up making it all the way through the game, way further than I expected. Got to Hourai Elixir. Laptop ran out of battery life. :V
Oh man that sucks.
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SA Stage 3 alone is making me hate the game like hell!
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Well that goes for the shooters as well. You don't want to play a fighting game or shooter with a key board. That's great for FPS and all but with 2D stuff, controllers are necessary.
Personally i prefer to play FPS with a controller. And shmups i always wanna play with a keyboard if at all possible. I have tried playing DDP in arcade and often i moved straight down when i wanted to move diagonally left-down because i suck at using that stick-thing.
But i'm certain that the fighters would be better with a controller. Though its not so big an issue in SWR/Hisoutensoku for some reason.
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FPS with a controller? You're crazy if you don't use a mouse. :V
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FPS with a controller? You're crazy if you don't use a mouse. :V
Your avatar stares into my soul.
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FPS with a controller? You're crazy if you don't use a mouse. :V
I can play perfectly fine with a controller. But that doesn't make me less crazy. :P
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I don't usually play for silly arbitrary achievements, but I decided I wanted to try no focus clearing UFO Lunatic (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9746).
(http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4548/aa1ok.th.jpg) (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/aa1ok.jpg/)
...
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4708/aa2g.th.jpg) (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/aa2g.jpg/)
FUCK
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*pokes Phantasm Romance*
So from stage 6 on, not even removing the conventional continue limit is enough...?
WHAT THE HECK DOES THIS GAME WANT FROM ME?!
I notice when searching the script data there's a line called "set continue limit" in stage 6 and EX3, but not in EX4, where I tested via a cheat shot type and found I can't continue there either! Will this game stop at nothing to prevent me from casually playing EX4? T_T
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WHAT THE HECK DOES THIS GAME WANT FROM ME?!
your free time and unborn children ^_^
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your free time and unborn children ^_^
Done and done.
Man, if only I knew how any of this stuff worked. :< I know there's a way to give me unlimited continues even in extra. I am going to find out what it is and put more effort into finding out than it'd take to get the necessary skill to beat it legit! (though 1ccing is not why I want to play it at all, so... >.>)
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I am never, ever playing any Touhou related game with a controller again if I can help it. My Logitech 2 can't figure out that RIGHT means RIGHT and not DOWN. Seriously, I've tried to be nice with it, but this is just bonkers.
Nereid's avatar stares into my soul.
Sorta yeah.
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Will this game stop at nothing to prevent me from casually playing EX4? T_T
You know you can just select to practice any stage by modifying the config file? Check the beginning of the file config.txt from the script directory and find the line that says "playstage = 0 ;". Above it is explanation for all numbers you can put in there, 14 is EX4.
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Made it out of an SA Stage 5 run with a fail 3 lives left. That's what happens when you combine drowsiness and derping. I should comfort myself with the fact that i did fail quite ridiculously at Stage 3 as well. That's a clear sign of needing to go to fucking sleep! :)
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Lotus Land Story likes denying my attempts to 1cc it with the PC-98 visual glitch. But at least it's cool to watch.
IT'S LIKE STARING INTO THE SUN (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/ValetVisuals/Random/godyuka.png)
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Lotus Land Story likes denying my attempts to 1cc it with the PC-98 visual glitch. But at least it's cool to watch.
IT'S LIKE STARING INTO THE SUN (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/ValetVisuals/Random/godyuka.png)
Someone still needs to get this on video
Donut did, but it wasn't over the top half of the screen, so it was far less devastating ):
Oh yeah, I suppose I could mention in here how a few days ago, I saw Mugetu's time out phase. Except I had been trying to actually kill her. Cue death and two bombs. Goddamn ReimuB must be weaker then I thought ;_;
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You know you can just select to practice any stage by modifying the config file? Check the beginning of the file config.txt from the script directory and find the line that says "playstage = 0 ;". Above it is explanation for all numbers you can put in there, 14 is EX4.
...Huh.
Wow, thanks. :V Doesn't remove the continue limit like I want, but this solves my other biggest problem.
EDIT: Using this knowledge, I accessed extra 3, and confirmed that removing that line of code enabled continues. I got to Shinki's last spell card too before needing to find out. It really bugs me that that line isn't in extra 4 though...
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MoF Stage 5, no focus, no bombs.
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/9499/ohthehumanity.th.png) (http://img686.imageshack.us/i/ohthehumanity.png/)
brb, seppuku.
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MoF Stage 5, no focus, no bombs.
(http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/9499/ohthehumanity.th.png) (http://img686.imageshack.us/i/ohthehumanity.png/)
brb, seppuku.
If you don't know, you can slow down your movements while hugging the bottom of the screen by pressing down in conjunction with left/right. Makes cards like that much more manageable.
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If you don't know, you can slow down your movements while hugging the bottom of the screen by pressing down in conjunction with left/right. Makes cards like that much more manageable.
I know, it's just that I was so close to capturing it again!
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Ugh at the thought of having to circle around with a nonhoming shottype, and not that SanaeA homing garbage either.
Edit: Oops, wrong thread. But I still haven't gotten past 2DNB timeout on VoWG after all my tries today. Still derping.
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So I 1cc'd IN lunatic. Great right? Except...
- Dying to Eirin's noncard opener, then deathbombing on her spellcard
- Getting hit by the opening laser wave on Brilliant Dragon Bullet
- Dying to Buddhist Diamond 1 second away from a capture
- Deathbombing on Salamander Shield
- Dying and then deathbombing on Life Spring Infinity
Of course, I die to Hourai Jewel. And to cap it all off, I get hit on Rising World with 1 second remaining on the timer.
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So I 1cc'd IN lunatic. Great right? Except...
- Dying to Eirin's noncard opener, then deathbombing on her spellcard
- Getting hit by the opening laser wave on Brilliant Dragon Bullet
- Dying to Buddhist Diamond 1 second away from a capture
- Deathbombing on Salamander Shield
- Dying and then deathbombing on Life Spring Infinity
Of course, I die to Hourai Jewel. And to cap it all off, I get hit on Rising World with 1 second remaining on the timer.
What the hell, that's almost an exact remake of my first lunatic 1cc (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=5084)!
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First :serious: try at MoF Hard.
Game over at Illusionary Dominance.
/me shrugs
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Died to Suwako on the last second with 3 power. Why can't I bomb for shit.
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Why is it that I can nearly 1cc most Lunatics, I can beat every Extra without breaking a sweat, I've done several challenge runs and timeouts, and yet I can't get past EX Alice's fourth phase?
;_;
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(http://i30.servimg.com/u/f30/12/80/32/92/th/untitl58.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=700&u=12803292)
Ignore the extra bullets; it's the camera going for 30 FPS.
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Ugh, Yumemi, when will you let me have that 1CC? Died 4 times to Yumemi alone, and in 3 of them, she only had half of a life left..
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I finally reached max lives in ufo normal :ohdear:
Then threw away 3 at murasa
5 at shou due to NOt bombing.
2 at stage 6 before hirzi.
ffffff
1 life left.. game over'd at 3rd nonspell.
FUCK
How is failing at this magnitude possible?
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I totally had three lives and three bombs going into Yumeko. I promptly lost all the lives on her first mass streaming phase.
I haven't mentioned that I loathe Mystic Square in the last few months, have I?
EDIT: Yumeko. Okay, maybe being half-asleep had something to do with it. But I got that far, so probably not.
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Fought Kogasa for my first danmaku fight as an 18 year old. 1DNB, Parasol Star Memories. Could have been worse, but the death was rather X(. Kogasa went right instead of left, I survived multiple blue bullet walls and parasol swipes that would normally kill me, and managed to die with just a tiny bit of health left on her.
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After sampling it myself, I forsee a huge amount of incoming rage from Fairy Wars. I feel sorry for anyone who attempts to get Gold Medals on everything, even on Easy.
I mean comeon, can you no death no bomb no freeze Gengetu Rape Time? Seriously, ZUN, do you honestly think this is possible!?
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get Gold Medals on everything
Yeah, one of the first things I tried to do, on normal.
It obviously didn't end well. Micrododge shinanigans in freaking stage 1 boss.
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Mrf.
Have my shmup skills atrophied this badly?
Though I guess the last time I seriously played a shmup and/or Touhou was like... last year...
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Oh my god 12.8's extra boss theme is incredible.
Oh my god 12.8's extra boss is bullshit.
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WTF SUNNY MILK STOP KILLING ME
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Obligatory rage post at how bad I am at 12.8.
Also, the new Super Marisa Land is a big improvement on the old one but I still hatehateHATE how most doujin games handle.
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*cries at 3 fairy fight in 12.8*
ZUN, putting QED in a game's normal difficulty ISN'T FUNNY.
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Imperishable Night is the easiest Touhou MY ASS.
Hard Mode to Stage Five on Player Lives Eight.
Angry face /:(
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Imperishable Night is the easiest Touhou MY ASS.
Imperishable Night is the easiest easy mode.
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Imperishable Night is the easiest easy mode.
I was told it was the easiest, period.
And it's not.
Out of what I've seen, it has some of the simpler bullet patterns, but it makes up for it in a lot of bullets.
And to me the easiest easy mode was for 10...
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I thought I captured Boundary of Life and Death for the first time in my life...until I remembered that I broke an ending Supernatural Border on the FIRST wave because I wanted another one to appear quicker and I absolutely wasn`t expecting a capture *facepalm* :derp:.
At this moment I keep on failing Remilia`s opener on Hard, something I usually do successfully. Either I need to sleep for a bit or switch back to Reimu. And not to mention my failtastic 12.8 attempts I can`t even remember - I need to get used to bullet freeze system yet.
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Either I need to sleep for a bit or switch back to Reimu.
Why switch back to Reimu if you're getting that far with Marisa? They have the same hitbox, so if you're running into bullets with Marisa speed, down down the button less.
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ZUN, putting QED in a game's normal difficulty ISN'T FUNNY.
If you're dodging any significant part of that you're doing it wrong.
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If you're dodging any significant part of that you're doing it wrong.
This. Every QED-esque pattern that Star Sapphire uses can have the shit frozen out of it.
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Although that also means knowing which part of the ring you freeze for the greatest effect.
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Every single one of my GFW Extra run ends at the boss's 3rd spell card :(
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When the ball comes down, misdirect it to one side of the screen. then go to the other side, dodge some red, and freeze when the blue waves come at you. When the ball goes back, shoot it like mad to charge up, and then freeze as soon as the blue bullets come out.
In theory this works. One mistake and you're dead though. :/
Actually there's probably a better way.
Also: I captured Open Universe the first try. And I've never been able to capture it since. :/
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FUCK
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
I DEMAND A MOTHERFUCKING EXPLANATION FROM THE GAME
Geez, died like 500 times on the stage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57L1iIYwks)
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What. The. FUCK.
EDIT:
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This is a lovely day.
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Imperishable Night: My Best Run Ever
Stage 1: In 5/3, Out 5/3
Stage 2: Out 6/3
Stage 3: to Boss w/ 7/4, out 5/0 (Damn it Keine)
Stage 4: to Boss w/ 4/5, out 2/0 (Damn it, Marisa)
Stage 5: to Boss w/ 3/4, game over.
In short, Marisa and Reisen are two of the most infuriating people ever.
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I just had to check what difficulty I was playing in GFW because B1 is so much harder than A2 or B2.
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I got screwed over on B1 lots on my first few attempts, and couldn't do better than a 4cc. I decided to do all the other routes first; when I came back to B1 I got a 1cc first try. :V
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Fiiiiiiivveee CC clear of B1.
Atrociously bad at stage 2 Star Sapphire, plus the homing nonsense that Sunny throws out.
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Is it bad that the only games I have been able to beat are IN and PoFV? The later ones are too difficult for me. For some reason, ZUN decided to remove the option to increase your total health. Though I do enjoy the fighting games.
[I do want to know, however, which UFOs in UFO give you 1Ups. I got one by luck, it seems, and I haven't a clue how I pulled it off.]
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Argh man.
Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9865) for whoever wants to pick my attempt at scoring apart. :V
First time playing Touhou in TATE. Was pretty rad.
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NEW PERSONAL BEST AT B1
ONLY THREE CONTINUES THIS TIME
WINNAR
(p.s. where do you put GFW replays to watch them?)
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It's in the same obscure folder the DS score.dat and replays are. It's in a hidden folder called "appdata," in roaming, then Shanghai Alice.
Made it to Blazing Star in extra this time. I didn't know because of how quickly I died the first time I reached it, but Super Perseid looks like it'll be a real pain. I have some comfort in that even with all the stupid deaths I suffered to that point, I still reached Super Perseid with over 200% health. It's good that this stage has a margin of error.
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GFW route B1, I'm entering the last spellcard at 200% motivation/ no bombs. I charge up my freeze, and then, my key remapper crashes.
wtf
(I still 1cc'd the game though)
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[I do want to know, however, which UFOs in UFO give you 1Ups. I got one by luck, it seems, and I haven't a clue how I pulled it off.]
Red ones. They give 1/5 life when they are shot down, and another 1/5 when they fill up with items.
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Late to the UFO scene. So far I have no real problems other than MarisaA moving like a sloth and MarisaB just sucking in general.
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B1 1cc.
Watching replays does wonders, it seems.
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Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9865) for whoever wants to pick my attempt at scoring apart. :V
If you stop letting UFOs fly off the screen and if you manage to get into stage 6 with two bombs (plus the one from the early green at the start of the stage), you should be able to break one billion. General advice is to just stop letting UFOs fly away.
And for my rage of the day:
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/411/sgrhtj.th.jpg) (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/sgrhtj.jpg/)
Died on LFO twice. Yeah.
Twice.
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Holy crap so many deaths because I'm apparently not releasing the freeze button in time. It honestly feels like almost all of my deaths in GFW are occurring this way now.
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I promise this will be my last post regarding GFW on this thread until I go for Lunatic runs.
DEAR GOD EXTRA IS HARD. I managed to sightread to the boss but ran out of lives at the start of her second card (that looked like a remake of Earth Light Ray/Shoot the Moon, but I died too soon to tell).
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You might want to put a spoiler tag on the card names, y'know.
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At what point does it start being okay to stop protecting the ears of people who have likely already had the name of the extra boss spoiled anyway? A week?
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At what point do people who 1. don't want to be spoiled, and 2. do not want to have a pirated copy of the game, have access to it?
Besides if his attitude was "who cares about spoilers" he wouldn't have referred to "the boss".
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I'm one to respect spoilers, but come on. If there were a new character there would be people gushing/hazing the new character. Merely the boss theme "Magus Night" is spoiling who the boss is. Past the first 72 hours I don't really see a point in keeping spoilers in a community like this. :/
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[11:25] <xxxxx> Baity; check the raeg thread, but skip the bottom of page 16
[11:25] <xxxxx> so start from page 17 and read on
hi
Merely the boss theme "Magus Night"
is spoiling who the boss is.
I actually didn't even know what the theme was, seeing as the only thing that comes remotely close to that is "this (http://a.imageshack.us/img180/3746/failyb.jpg)" screenshot. To add, all I really know about the Extra stage is TEST SLAVE, though there's an awful lot of evidence / guesswork leading me to think that the boss is in fact Marisa
.
Pass 72 hours and... how many people (with note that this is the Western Fanbase we're talking about) who don't pirate the games would have a copy in their hands by now? I'd probably say 0, people traveling to Japan not counting for reasons that should be more or less obvious. 72 hours, while I know you're doing this in goodwill, is simply, to be put quite frankly, insignificant; it's much better to drop the whole spoiler deal as soon as the game is available for purchase outside of Comiket; which is also when royalflare adds the scoreboard onto their site.
On the side, my past 5 runs or so of UFO Lunatic have featured me failing Murasa's Survival Spell Card each and every single time.
EDIT: Grammar check.
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Spell Cards Captured: 01/26
Spell Cards Timed out: 00/26
Lowlight of this run: Death on Mid-Boss!Nue
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Tsk, last spell card, final phase of extra. Figures I would make a stupid dodge at the point that is more like a hardcore dodge spell than anything else in the game.
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My little sister is seven and plays IN with me.
Her-Stage 4 is crap.
Me-What about Keine?
Her-Her too.
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Banshiryuu C67
What the Christ man.
EDIT:
Does this game seriously only give you four lives to beat it? :/
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I just had my best run at GFW Lunatic, 2 deaths over the first two stages (A-1).
Game over on Stage 3 Boss's second Spellcard.
Why is this game suddenly so fucking impossible?
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Damn it, so freaking close. If I didn't die to that stupid EoSD bubble...
Or, alternatively, if I didn't die to Rumia! WTF
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Played Mystic Square for the first time today (on Normal mode), and things were going relatively well up until stage 4. Entered the Yuki/Mai boss battle with five lives, and proceeded to lose them all, mostly to the tracking laser in the second attack.
Also, Devil's Recitation with red bullet streams on a red background is painful.
(by the way, how do I get Anex86 to display Japanese characters instead of random alphanumerics?)
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Config -> Font -> (browse option) -> the file attached
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That still doesn't seem to have worked... Do I need to press anything to apply the changes? The config window doesn't seem to have any "OK" or "Apply" button.
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Hm, strange. There's no "apply" button or anything of the sort; closing the config window automatically saves your settings.
After selecting the font, you should be getting something like this:
(http://i30.servimg.com/u/f30/12/80/32/92/untitl48.png) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=749&u=12803292)
which would be showing that the bitmap has been loaded properly (the preview displayed there is the top-left corner of the bitmap itself).
If the font is loading (like the above) but not displaying in-game properly, then I wouldn't know what's causing it to go all jibberish.
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Hmm... The font doesn't even seem to be loading when I select it; the file name field is still empty, and the preview window doesn't change.
...I wouldn't happen to need to run the emulator in compatibility mode (I'm using Vista) or Japanese locale or something like that, would I?
EDIT: This should probably be in the tech support forums instead, shouldn't it?
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Man, you know you're having an off day when you can't even get the right UFO colors you wanted. orz
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Ragin' about GFW's scoring system. Everytime I play I keep progressively getting better at maximizing my freeze area, supposedly giving me more points... Then as the game end rolls around, I notice my score has gone up maybe one million, if that, even though I played the stages significantly better than the score I just bet by 100k. Fucking clear bonus, I think it's bullshit, to be perfectly honest. Game needs more emphisis on what you do during it, and less focus what resources you end up with at the end.
So this is just an asshole rage, considering I've done nothing rageworthy, really. Just this fucking score system >:(
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I find it funny that for me, half of my deaths result in collisions with the enemy.
I've been kicked by Wriggle, Mystia, Keine, Tewi, Reisen, Marisa, Chen, Kanako...
*sigh
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Yesterday, body slammed in the bottom left corner by Luna Child leaving the screen, and today getting killed twice by invisible bullets in Kogasa's 2nd card.
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Just this fucking score system >:(
so like this post made my motivation to play fairy wars for an extended period of time basically drop to 0
Moving on,
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BAITY, STOP DYING WITH BO(ry
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I'm one to respect spoilers, but come on. If there were a new character there would be people gushing/hazing the new character. Merely the boss theme "Magus Night" is spoiling who the boss is. Past the first 72 hours I don't really see a point in keeping spoilers in a community like this. :/
I for one had the Extra boss spoiled for me by you, when you said you got up to her spellcard Blazing Star
:V
Admittedly I'm being stubborn and was determined to 1cc the game on Lunatic before going after Extra (it's not like I could have expected you to know that), but still, when you have a name as distinctive as Blazing Star
, it'd be nice for a spoiler tag.
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I for one had the Extra boss spoiled for me by you, when you said you got up to her spellcard Blazing Star
:V
Admittedly I'm being stubborn and was determined to 1cc the game on Lunatic before going after Extra (it's not like I could have expected you to know that), but still, when you have a name as distinctive as Blazing Star
, it'd be nice for a spoiler tag.
But doesn't Utsuho
also have a card by that name? Granted, it would be more odd seeing her in Fairy Wars than Marisa
, but still.
EDIT: And holy crap I've gotten rusty at SA.
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I never considered her to have a card with that name, though she does indeed have cards with Blazing Star
Blazing Star "Fixed Star/ Planetary Revolution/ Ten Evil Stars"
I've never considered the part outside quotations to actually be part of the spell card name, so if you say Blazing Star, I'm not going to think about this card.
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BAITY, STOP DYING WITH BO(ry
You clearly didn't tranquilize enough sheep
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so like this post made my motivation to play fairy wars for an extended period of time basically drop to 0
Hey mang, it might be your bag. The danmaku is a lot harder than any Touhou shmup to date, at least. If you don't freeze anything...
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Made it to the 3 Fairies' last non-spell. I am confused how so many people have already 1cc'd lunatic. :<
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Why is GFW Extra harder than GFW Lunatic? The extra boss's attacks are cheap! All of your cards are retarded gimmicks. The only extra boss i have hated this much before is Evil Eye Sigma.
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Really? If you discount the familiars as a gimmick and more of a callback, what gimmicks would she have? I'd actually call her one of the more skill-based extra bosses.
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Really? If you discount the familiars as a gimmick and more of a callback, what gimmicks would she have? I'd actually call her one of the more skill-based extra bosses.
Sure. I was just raging. Mainly over her familiars. I didn't like getting rammed by them in SoEW and i don't like it now. Maybe if she appeared in an actual shmup where you don't have to rely on the ice i would appreciate her more.
Remember Ikaruga? I hate gimmicks.
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Why is GFW Extra harder than GFW Lunatic? Marisa's attacks are cheap! All of your cards are retarded gimmicks. The only extra boss i have hated this much before is Evil Eye Sigma.
EES looks pretty fun, too bad the main mode is unplayable garbage
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Why is GFW Extra harder than GFW Lunatic? Marisa's
attacks are cheap! All of your cards are retarded gimmicks. The only extra boss i have hated this much before is Evil Eye Sigma.
Did you not read the discussion of spoilers right above you? God damn, dude.
Related note, I absolutely despise Luna Child as the leader for the Three Fairies :/
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Made it to the 3 Fairies' last non-spell. I am confused how so many people have already 1cc'd lunatic. :<
For me, lots of practice. And plenty of planned bombs. And the (relatively) large amount of extra lives the final boss gives out. I assume you're still trying A-1?
EDIT: And now I see the 1cc you posted in the scoreboard.
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On the plus side, got to
Marisa
, yay!
On the minus side, holy shit gettin' raped by the nonspells 'cuzza my sucky reflexes.
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On the plus side, got to Marisa
, yay!
On the minus side, holy shit gettin' raped by the nonspells 'cuzza my sucky reflexes.
They're really all about timing freezes. Unfortunately, doing that is itself quite hard.
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Arrgh that fucking Byakuren! What must i do to make her not dreadful? Why does VoWG seem easy compared to anything she has outside of most of her non-spells? Its annoying!
*Rage*
How the fuck do you die three times to Good Omen what's wrong with me?
EES looks pretty fun, too bad the main mode is unplayable garbage
Maybe he would be if it wasn't SoEW.
Did you not read the discussion of spoilers right above you? God damn, dude.
Related note, I absolutely despise Luna Child as the leader for the Three Fairies :/
Sorry. Sorry. Fixed it. Didn't mean to "spoil" anything. As for Luna Child, i generally find her annoying in the game as well.
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Failed a capture on Ichirin's second card on Lunatic because the brofist hitboxes seem bigger than the brofists are.
Also, I am tired of dying because I can't see the bullets on her first card.
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And i had a case of beautiful dodging of anything Devil's Recitation throws at me only to be rammed by the arrowhead walls in the sides at the final moment of dodging. This is what i don't like. I hate being hit by something like that.
And Superhuman: Byakuren stacked two blue bullets on top of each other i dodged one bullet but then a bullet came out of the bullet and hit me. Its generally a pattern that's easy to read but sometimes it pulls a stunt like that.
Failed a capture on Ichirin's second card on Lunatic because the brofist hitboxes seem bigger than the brofists are.
Also, I am tired of dying because I can't see the bullets on her first card.
Yes! This! Totally this! If freezing is the gimmick in GFW then not being able to see what kills you is the gimmick in UFO. I am actually getting the feeling that its not UFO i hate. Its just certain parts of it that i despite so much that it possesses me into thinking its the entire game.
Really! Most of Shou's stuff is great and there isn't really anything wrong with any of the other stages. Well... except for PSM.
I'm not attempting to restart the UFO discussion. I just need to get the frustration off my chest. I think i'll play some more Shou. She's good girl.
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I'm not attempting to restart the UFO discussion. I just need to get the frustration off my chest. I think i'll play some more Shou. She's good girl.
No no no, please, let's hear it. I have no trouble reading the ADD bullets and dodging them appropriately, nor do I find any irregular hitboxes like Unzan's fists troublesome, since they are still smaller than the sprite (by a fair bit). If I didn't see myself get hit by a bullet, then I know it was purely my poor reading ability that get me killed, and that I could've done better. I'd like to hear what you honestly think is wrong, especially considering all I'm seeing so far is you not being able to read the bullets correctly. Or probably more accurately, reading the wrong bullets. But even this I'm unsure about, since you claim to like battling Shou, who has two of the three "hardest" ADD bullet spam dodgem cards in the game, which are notorious for incorrect readings.
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I'll give you Radiant Treasure Gun, but what other one? Complete Clarification is easy, though I suck at it.
I find that Shou's ones don't tend to cover others as much. After fighting her on recent Hard 1cc attempts and getting her Lunatic fight unlocked and doing some practice, I really like her fight the most out of the main game ones as well. No gimmicks outside of the curving lasers, pure read and dodge, which are my preferred attacks, even though it's one of my weaker skillsets.
As for other ones that use it, I have made my complaints about Ichirin's first boss card making the bullets hard to see due to the brofists. Murasa's third spellcard isn't too bad, but I do occasionally get a bad read due to these. Greatest Treasure seems to be a slightly easier version compared to RTG, though still pretty hard. My problems with these are really Ichirin's first boss card and the postNazrin stage 5. Maybe some Byakuren stuff also, but I forget which if any use them. Most of the other uses of them, I'm fine with.
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Is it bad that, on Lunatic, I think Shou's final midspell is harder than Vajra? :V
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Is it bad that, on Lunatic, I think Shou's final midspell is harder than Vajra? :V
You could use the trick to make that nonspell easy. :v
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No no no, please, let's hear it. I have no trouble reading the ADD bullets and dodging them appropriately, nor do I find any irregular hitboxes like Unzan's fists troublesome, since they are still smaller than the sprite (by a fair bit). If I didn't see myself get hit by a bullet, then I know it was purely my poor reading ability that get me killed, and that I could've done better. I'd like to hear what you honestly think is wrong, especially considering all I'm seeing so far is you not being able to read the bullets correctly. Or probably more accurately, reading the wrong bullets. But even this I'm unsure about, since you claim to like battling Shou, who has two of the three "hardest" ADD bullet spam dodgem cards in the game, which are notorious for incorrect readings.
Okay then. First off, i don't find Unzan's fists to be that troublesome at all. Let's begin with King Kraken Strike. Its like the card wasn't hard to begin with so let's just make everything pink and shake the screen. I can't say i have practiced it much though.
Next up, Good Omen. I die way too often to this for a spell that only takes about 15 seconds to beat. Its usually something involving me reading things wrong naturally. It might be how bullets come at an angle that messes my reading of it up.
Then Makai Butterfly. Uh? What next? I forgot? *Butterflied*
Devil's Recitation. I don't like to get killed by the lasers and arrowheads everytime i dodge the bullets correctly.
Superhuman. Normally easy card that sometimes cheats by lugging two bullets so closely together that i don't notice them before one of them hits me as i was dodging the single bullet i knew was there.
Legendary Flying Saucer. Amulets flying in all directions. Usually fry my brain around the last phase where the red ones appear. I don't like this sort of difficulty. Its unlike VoWG where you just have to react fast enough. In this card i just have no clue as to how to read it. Its just a whirling mish-mash of amulets that i don't see how is supposed to be dodged.
There. That's what i honestly think is wrong.
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Okay then. First off, i don't find Unzan's fists to be that troublesome at all. Let's begin with King Kraken Strike. Its like the card wasn't hard to begin with so let's just make everything pink and shake the screen. I can't say i have practiced it much though.
The screen shakes? I had honestly never noticed.
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Oh and apparently Kogasa is harder than Ichirin, Murasa and Shou. Is there something i'm missing here?
The screen shakes? I had honestly never noticed.
Its only a mild shake and its not when the bullets are actually coming. Its just there to make my reading of the card even more troubling.
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Kogasa's only tough spellcard is PSM though. (And maybe that last one, but that could just be because I haven't figured it out. In any case it's not as bad as a lot of the later stuff.) And her nonspells are cake.
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Kogasa's only tough spellcard is PSM though. (And maybe that last one, but that could just be because I haven't figured it out. In any case it's not as bad as a lot of the later stuff.) And her nonspells are cake.
I dunno. The 2nd card does get really dense around the center sometimes. And her non-spells are indeed easy. I hate the 2nd one though. I sometimes tap too hard.
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Okay then. First off, i don't find Unzan's fists to be that troublesome at all. Let's begin with King Kraken Strike. Its like the card wasn't hard to begin with so let's just make everything pink and shake the screen. I can't say i have practiced it much though.
Don't really like the card either, to be honest. But I notice that I'm getting better at dodging it lately, so I'd say you'd just need to get better.
Next up, Good Omen. I die way too often to this for a spell that only takes about 15 seconds to beat. Its usually something involving me reading things wrong naturally. It might be how bullets come at an angle that messes my reading of it up.
This is a pure dodgem. If you're failing it, then it's just beyond your level. I fail it pretty regularly too, so.
Then Makai Butterfly. Uh? What next? I forgot? *Butterflied*
One of only two pure memorizers in the whole game, just deal with it. It's not like it's a hard one to memorize, it's only 5-6 pretty lenient positions. I don't really like memorizing either, but whatever.
Devil's Recitation. I don't like to get killed by the lasers and arrowheads everytime i dodge the bullets correctly.
If you're getting hit then you're not dodging them correctly.
Superhuman. Normally easy card that sometimes cheats by lugging two bullets so closely together that i don't notice them before one of them hits me as i was dodging the single bullet i knew was there.
Yeah, no issue with this at all either. If you're getting hit then you're reading it incorrectly. You'll just get better at reading the bullets and noticing when they overlap as you play more shmups.
Legendary Flying Saucer. Amulets flying in all directions. Usually fry my brain around the last phase where the red ones appear. I don't like this sort of difficulty. Its unlike VoWG where you just have to react fast enough. In this card i just have no clue as to how to read it. Its just a whirling mish-mash of amulets that i don't see how is supposed to be dodged.
Yet people dodge it quite consistantly. :/ Again, this is just something you'll just get better at as you continue to play shmup games.
You guys are just gonna have to get over PSM. You can safespot it if you really don't want to dodge it, but it's still realistic to do otherwise (just pretty hard, we know). Kogasa's train card is not difficult once you realise how to dodge it, so I won't comment on it. There is nothing wrong with her rain card.
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omfg ex-keine
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I dunno. The 2nd card does get really dense around the center sometimes.
Move away from the center.
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I can't even play Touhou at the moment cause my computer is screwing up.
Occasionally the monitor would just go black for a bit a random then would work again. This I could deal with, though it sucks when it happens it always causes me a death.
Computer was working just fine.
This morning, I wake up and the thing's doing it and I can't get Windows to come back up. I try restarting, it very rarely is working, but then it still doesn't restart the whole way then the monitor just goes black again and I can't tell if Windows actually started or not.
Oh, but if I get the option for Safe Mode, I can actually get it to restart. Of course, that means most of my drivers don't work, which means no games in general on it.
I hope I can get this working soon. If I don't play these games for a while I start to suck way too much. Woke up around 5AM this morning, it's 12:58 PM now just to show how long this has been pissing me off.
Stupid Monitor/Computer/Power/ whatever is causing me this problem preventing me from playing Touhou.
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the downside to having a shiny new widescreen monitor is that everything is streeeeetched
I can't deal with this
is there any way to run the games in 1280x1024 on my 1920x1080 desktop
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Well, if you are up to discussing things then so am i. I don't want to come off as unreasonable but these are still things that plague me in UFO that isn't present in earlier games. Regardless of how they are legitimately possible.
Move away from the center.
Stay under the center until things start to go out of hand, then move back to the center when the density lowers again?
Don't really like the card either, to be honest. But I notice that I'm getting better at dodging it lately, so I'd say you'd just need to get better.
I understand that practicing will improve your sucess rate but it still makes me annoyed as it seems like ZUN decided to make a lazy challenge instead of the more pure and less gimmicky challenges of the past. Its a challenge that relies on somehow distracting me with some immaterial bullshit. I know it all comes down to me that needs to improve and learn to focus on the important stuff but its still annoying.
One of only two pure memorizers in the whole game, just deal with it. It's not like it's a hard one to memorize, it's only 5-6 pretty lenient positions. I don't really like memorizing either, but whatever.
It just so happens that i am completely intolerant of memorization. I don't just dislike it, i find it the equivalent of an insult. Here! Die because you don't know what to do/or forgot what to do.
I'm told there is an equal amount of memorization in the earlier Touhou games but i am hard-pressed to find them. Okay, there is Hourai Jewel. Oh and Keine's General HQ Crisis. Easy as pie. Sanae's first card then. Yeah, that sucks too.
Feel free to bring some to my attention.
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If you're getting hit then you're not dodging them correctly.
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Yeah that didn't help much. I don't see much indication to what the right way to dodge things are so until someone enlightens me i'll have no choice but consider it luck-garbage. Hope the lasers aren't where you need to go.
Yet people dodge it quite consistantly. :/ Again, this is just something you'll just get better at as you continue to play shmup games.
Yes and its even people who still considers capturing VoWG an accomplishment. Cause' i don't. I find VoWG absolutely trivial compared to Byakuren's mindfuck.
You guys are just gonna have to get over PSM. You can safespot it if you really don't want to dodge it, but it's still realistic to do otherwise (just pretty hard, we know). Kogasa's train card is not difficult once you realise how to dodge it, so I won't comment on it. There is nothing wrong with her rain card.
And the best way to do that is hack the card out of the game. Get it the hell out of Stage 2 and back to the trashcan where it belongs.
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the downside to having a shiny new widescreen monitor is that everything is streeeeetched
I can't deal with this
is there any way to run the games in 1280x1024 on my 1920x1080 desktop
TATE perhaps? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,3560.0.html)
Alternatively, windowed mode plus Sizer (http://www.brianapps.net/sizer/)
Stay under the center until things start to go out of hand, then move back to the center when the density lowers again?
Yeah. You might have noticed a ring around Kogasa that shrinks and expands. This determines the concentration and spread of the bullets. When shrunk get the hell out of dodge.
Feel free to bring some to my attention.
The route you unconsciously memorized to go through every Touhou game.
Yeah that didn't help much. I don't see much indication to what the right way to dodge things are so until someone enlightens me i'll have no choice but consider it luck-garbage. Hope the lasers aren't where you need to go.
The bullets are aimed around you and the lasers plus streams are static.
Misdirect. Dodgem.
Bottom of the screen is a deathtrap.
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Feel free to bring some to my attention.
Aside from those truly static patterns, anything and everything1 that's directly aimed at your hitbox. "Memorizeable" attacks are technically everywhere in the series. For instance, not just Sanae's first card, but also her midboss card2, the first parts of her midboss and first boss nonspell, and her third card2. I know you and others don't like having to memorize these things, but Jaimers is right, you memorize parts of the games just by playing through them for a while. It's an undeniable part of bullet hells.
1Doesn't count when enemies fire at randomized times.
2Not counting exactly where she moves to.
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Yes and its even people who still considers capturing VoWG an accomplishment. Cause' i don't. I find VoWG absolutely trivial compared to Byakuren's mindfuck.
Wait what the fuck, capturing one of the hardest cards in the series on Lunatic isn't an accomplishment anymore?
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the downside to having a shiny new widescreen monitor is that everything is streeeeetched
I can't deal with this
is there any way to run the games in 1280x1024 on my 1920x1080 desktop
Run it in windowed mode? Should work.
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@Shim: If you have a video card, there's usually an option that allows you to preserve aspect ratio on fullscreened games, that's what fixed it for me. I don't have to do that anymore even, because my new widescreen monitor automatically adjusts. Somehow. Haven't figured out how it does it yet but it does. :/
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Got to Kanako with 4 lives left.
Me : YES! I can beat her now since I only needed 2 lives in Practice mode!
Died once on that knife attack, didn't bother me since I never capture it and I didn't have any bombs.
I tapped too slow on the streaming part of the final non-spell and died, still have one extra life, I can do this..
For some odd reason, decided not to bomb when I knew I was going to die in the next spell card, and game overed at VoWG when it barely had like 10 seconds left :(
I miraculously captured Peerless Wind God for the first time too..
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ehh about kogasa's second
I find it easier on lunatic than on hard
and I don't remember having to move from the middle on lunatic, period
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is there any way to run the games in 1280x1024 on my 1920x1080 desktop
You could run them in full screen and let your display driver/display correct the aspect ratio for you. I know NVIDIA drivers can do that for sure.
and I don't remember having to move from the middle on lunatic, period
this
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Yes and its even people who still considers capturing VoWG an accomplishment. Cause' i don't. I find VoWG absolutely trivial compared to Byakuren's mindfuck.
I want this man probated again.
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Wait what the fuck, capturing one of the hardest cards in the series on Lunatic isn't an accomplishment anymore?
I didn't mean to claim that capturing VoWG isn't an accomplishment. You know, when i beat VoWG for the first time i also considered it a huge accomplishment. It just so happens that i have done so over 50 times so naturally i don't find it an accomplishment anymore right?
I want this man probated again.
I didn't mean to insult anyone. I just don't understand how anyone can say LFS is easier than VoWG.
Aside from those truly static patterns, anything and everything1 that's directly aimed at your hitbox. "Memorizeable" attacks are technically everywhere in the series. For instance, not just Sanae's first card, but also her midboss card2, the first parts of her midboss and first boss nonspell, and her third card2. I know you and others don't like having to memorize these things, but Jaimers is right, you memorize parts of the games just by playing through them for a while. It's an undeniable part of bullet hells.
1Doesn't count when enemies fire at randomized times.
2Not counting exactly where she moves to.
Well those cards i can forgive. BoWaP, Sanae's midboss card etc. Both are spellcards i can handle without memorizing them. And Youmu's non-spells too. I have pretty much memorized the patterns of those attacks but i didn't need to learn them before i was able to capture them. They can realistically be dodged without memorization.
The route you unconsciously memorized to go through every Touhou game.
I don't mind that.
The bullets are aimed around you and the lasers plus streams are static.
Misdirect. Dodgem.
Bottom of the screen is a deathtrap.
I'll take note of that advice.
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(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7504/wtfot.th.jpg) (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/wtfot.jpg/)
FFFFFFFU
The area had so much free space and yet I went straight into a bullet!
(note vsync patch lets you slow down during replay, the game actually ran at 60fps not 30)
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I didn't mean to insult anyone. I just don't understand how anyone can say LFS is easier than VoWG.
So you have played VoWG hundreds of times; am I wrong if I guess the time you have spent with LFS isn't even one tenth of that?
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So you have played VoWG hundreds of times; am I wrong if I guess the time you have spent with LFS isn't even one tenth of that?
At the 100 tries mark for VoWG i had about 30 captures. At the 40 mark of LFS i still only have 1 capture.
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Well ... there's your problem. I only got consistent with LFS around the 80~100 mark. It's a memorization card, practice it moar.
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Well ... there's your problem. I only got consistent with LFS around the 80~100 mark. It's a memorization card, practice it moar.
It doesn't have to be memorized though, but it will make your life easier if you do. And just how much stuff has to be memorized about LFS anyway if you go that route? I don't have access to the Lunatic version. Either way it's ridiculous when compared to the memorization needed for the 1 other static final card in the series, that one is just turn around here, turn around there, capture/time out almost every time.
Also, I can't think of any other memorization card in the series that is harder than LFS is. Also, once I heard that Flying Fantastica and LFS could actually be memorized, I hated the card a lot more than I already did.
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Well you know i hate memorization cards. Mainly because it takes an eternity for me to build up a pattern that i can consistently execute. Everything would seem its a card i might be able to tackle well someday though. For now, i don't like the card because it doesn't feel like it gives me a chance.
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LFO is easier because (in my opinion at least) it's easier to read. Maybe I just suck at the kind of dodging VoWG requires, but my capture rate on VoWG is about a fourth of my capture rate for LFO, and I've played VoWG more.
Also it's not necessarily about memorization, because it's virtually impossible to replicate your position at the time of firing for each wave.
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I can't capture Flying Fantastica on Normal ffs.
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LFO is easier because (in my opinion at least) it's easier to read. Maybe I just suck at the kind of dodging VoWG requires, but my capture rate on VoWG is about a fourth of my capture rate for LFO, and I've played VoWG more.
I wish i knew how you find it easier to read. At Virtue of Wind God i usually, in my mind, each of the amulet walls into a single long bullet and weave around them. The only threat there really is to me at Virtue of Wind God is when i mess my reading up and have to dodge through a wall. At that point it boils down to reflexes.
At LFO i find it that you are centered almost the entire time and find openings. I just find it harder because there are more bullets in a way. I suppose VoWG has more bullets but because they always come in close formation i can expect them all to go the same way. In LFO, every bullet have its own path and so i find it very easy to miss one.
So i guess its just me and you who excel at each our own kind of dodging. Anyway... is there any advice that would be valuable to have against LFO? I honestly don't recall if i've asked this before but i'll try anyway. What would be best to focus on when playing the card when it comes to looking for gaps?
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According to Baity, it's best to use only left, right, up, and down when playing LFO, and to avoid diagonal movement altogether. I also try to remember that the cards can only be on the wires Byakuren makes, so if you stay in "clear" area you're mostly safe. Not especially guaranteed to help, but it's something. LFO is balls-to-the-wall hard no matter how you look at it :ohdear:
Also, what is the difference between memorizing a path through the game and memorizing a single spellcard? :/
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quotestripesquotestripesquotestripesquotestripesquotestripes
withaddedbreaksforpatternzzzz
According to Baity, it's best to use only left, right, up, and down when playing LFO, and to avoid diagonal movement altogether.
This was emphasized when doing No Focus runs (why would you do that to yourself). I do generally speaking try to stick to this when doing normal runs but I've been known to accidentally slip and ram walls when I'm clearly not supposed to :derp:
It's just easier to move through angled (or rather, curving) bullets when you're going in one solid direction.
Also it's not necessarily about memorization, because it's virtually impossible to replicate your position at the time of firing for each wave.
-and the fact that every time the circles are fired, the "displacement" of the amulets is different each time.
At the 100 tries mark for VoWG i had about 30 captures. At the 40 mark of LFS i still only have 1 capture.
Food for thought, in a similar vein of things, how many attempts did it take to get your first "VoWG" capture?
Anyway... is there any advice that would be valuable to have against LFO? I honestly don't recall if i've asked this before but i'll try anyway. What would be best to focus on when playing the card when it comes to looking for gaps?
Move to the side? Gap reading just comes with practice.
And just how much stuff has to be memorized about LFS anyway if you go that route?
Donut's: Up to here, down to the bottom, up to that same spot, down to the bottom, repeat as humanly as possible. IIRC it was something like that.
Any other forms of "memorization" would be anything from my routine sight-read movement (left-up-right-down or up-left-right-up-down, or etc.), ceasing firing for one wave of bullets (as Phar does; note that I don't understand why you would need to do this as I've had no problems doing this Spell Card with ReimuA even when constantly firing) or other minor things.
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Really ZUN? The Hard/Lunatic difficulties of GFW is the same but with those stupid "bullets released upon death" from UFO stage 1 for the WHOLE GAME!?
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Uh, no. Hard/lunatic continue to ramp up the difficulty, it's just that adding revenge bullets is the most noticeable difference. Besides, they're made for grazing for charge.
EDIT: 2cc of C1. Luna's non-spells are so nasty...
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Fuck PCB. Seriously, why do I even bother trying to 1cc this? some of the backgrounds are too lightly colored so I can't even see what hits me half the time in stage segments, Youmu's time slow is absurdly montonus bullshit and those bullets on half of Yuyuko's spellcards block your damn hitbox from view. Also, scoring system sucks too.
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You are wrong. :V
And if you're staring at your hitbox you're doing it wrong.
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Food for thought, in a similar vein of things, how many attempts did it take to get your first "VoWG" capture?
25.
Also, what is the difference between memorizing a path through the game and memorizing a single spellcard? :/
One thing is subconciously done and the other isn't.
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It only took me two to capture VoWG - wait, no, that doesn't count.
lulzy MarisaC.
In the mean time, I 1DNB MoF Lunatic Stage 5.
Where did I die?...
Sanae's second nonspell. :V
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This was what I was bitching about in the highscore thread
Linky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghE8FNzHFH8)
Also: Failed another PCB extra 1cc thanks to: Gaming Over with bombs in stock in the final moments of the survival attack AND failing WIzard Fox's thoughts (2D2B). WAIT WHAT HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE
Unrelated News: Crappy Exams are finaly over
WAIT WHAT!?
I JUST 1cc'd UFO Normal AND WHAT IS THIS?!
(http://a.imageshack.us/img834/1181/picture6gp.png)
wat? (the Extra Start Selection is disabled)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img90/5498/picture7so.png)
Oh are you serious?!
(http://a.imageshack.us/img691/7936/picture8pq.png)
GOD DAMMIT ZUN
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GOD DAMMIT ZUN
Hmm... ZUN makes glitches again. I also had a case of me not being able to go to stage 4-6 Lunatic with SanaeB and not being able to play Extra despite having cleared Normal with everyone and Hard with anyone who ain't MarisaB.
For unexplainable reasons.
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So uh, I was playing PCB Normal, got to the Prismriver Sisters' last card with 3 lives remaining on my first credit. Now, let's skip ahead a few minutes to just after Youmu's last.
1 life remaining... on my 5th credit. ???
"Well, that sucked." I thought to myself, "but at least I got to stage 4 on one credit!"
Then I looked at the options menu and noticed two things:
1) I had my starting life count set to 4, not 2. (This also gave me 4 lives on each continue)
2) I had slow mode on.
I turned slow mode off, and haven't been to Alice since. :(
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I failed Mad Dance on Medoteko. Not just that, I died to it twice. In the same run.
This...this is the end.
:colonveeplusalpha:
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I failed Mad Dance on Medoteko. Not just that, I died to it twice. In the same run.
This...this is the end.
:colonveeplusalpha:
I have a 10/140 on that or so
it's gay, don't feel bad
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Sightreads are fun! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jed2HKh57DQ&fmt=18)
12.8 Extra!
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I have a 10/140 on that or so
it's gay, don't feel bad
As gay as slightly tapping a button can be. Really, the only thing that can go wrong with this attack is if you position yourself wrong and get slammed by the lasers.
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it's still a bunch of claustrophobic shit which I autobomb
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It's the easiest spellcard in the entire game though.
Oh and I failed it for the first time ever yesterday. no more 30/30 or so history for me :<
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Trauma in the Glimmering Depths is easier.
I have managed to get walled by Medoteko a few times.
On the subject of Medoteko, any way to manipulate how far Kanako decides to move. It seems like a pretty lame move in terms of scoring if you get that far then she decides to stay too far away to do any decent damage costing you a lot of spell bonus points.
Not that I'm serious about playing it for score because you have to no miss the entire game or your score won't be any good.
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Trauma in the Glimmering Depths is easier.
It can't be easier. I'm pretty sure I failed that card the first time I tried it.
There isn't really a way to manipulate how far Kanako moves on Medoteko, it's just luck. Most of the time you can kill her after just two waves though, with ReimuB.
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glimmering depths are also terrible if you don't know the trick
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it's still a bunch of claustrophobic shit which I autobomb
Auto-bomb Mad Dance
(http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=8784;type=avatar)
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So has anyone timed out Kanako's opener? I can only capture it maybe 1/2 the time.
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I think the best someone has is 2DNB. That thing would be harder to time out than VoWG is.
I've only ever captured Kanako's opener once, with 2 double KO 1DNBs of it.
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Wow, Mokou is fun to fight.
But Keine can still go to hell.
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Ex-Keine's first and third cards are super easy, once you get into a set pattern. The second card is not too bad.
Here's what I do on her first card: For the first wave, stay exactly in the middle, on the very bottom (above the "e" in the Enemy marker). That automatically avoids all the blue bullets. Slowly move to the side once the red bullets come at you. Second wave: Do the exact same, except stay slightly off of centre (so, say, above the "n" or "m" in the Enemy marker). And then it repeats.
Third card: Starting at the very bottom in the middle, you can do the entire card without vertical movement. Just slowly move to the side once the red bullets come at you, and move back to middle when they're past. Every wave is the same.
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I have a 10/140 on (Medoteko) or so
u trollin again
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Ex-Keine's first and third cards are super easy, once you get into a set pattern. The second card is not too bad.
Here's what I do on her first card: For the first wave, stay exactly in the middle, on the very bottom (above the "e" in the Enemy marker). That automatically avoids all the blue bullets. Slowly move to the side once the red bullets come at you. Second wave: Do the exact same, except stay slightly off of centre (so, say, above the "n" or "m" in the Enemy marker). And then it repeats.
Third card: Starting at the very bottom in the middle, you can do the entire card without vertical movement. Just slowly move to the side once the red bullets come at you, and move back to middle when they're past. Every wave is the same.
Hmm, thanks. I'll try this.
Thank God for Spell Practi- wait, can you do EX Stage cards without having captured them?
Huh.
I actually found her second card to be by far the easiest, although that isn't saying much. It's the only one that only requires one bomb from me :(
Card 1 (I haven't patched it.): 0 / 11
Card 2: 0 / 9
Card 3: 0 / 8
Mokou's Card 1: 0 / 2
Mokou's Card 2: 0 / 1
Mokou's Card 3: 0 / 0
As for Mokou herself, I have yet to fail on her first non-spell, but her first card almost always gets me. It's almost always either one life, or one bomb.
Her second nonspell isn't bad. I liked it. Died once.
Her second card is heck though. I always get hit by those pheonix formations and on the rare occasions that I don't it's those STATIC, UNMOVING knives that just sit there. Urgh, I have a bad taste in my mouth from the memory.
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What do I have to do to convince myself to stop fucking playing when I grow tired? Bang my head on the table when my reflexes go to hell? Bite a chunk off the wall when I can't keep track of my movements?
I have a 10/140 on that or so
it's gay, don't feel bad
what
Wait, I got something more to say.
what
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For Ex-Keine 1st and 3rd card, you can also just stream and weave through the bullets at the same time.
1st: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9989
3rd: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9990
It might be a good way to capture if you have trouble landing in the safespot.
The 2nd wave of the 1st card requires a bit of micro memorization in a couple of spots though.
This method also has the down side of prolonging the card, and the forward focus shot types will time it out.
So, only use it if you are Reimu/Yukari/Remillia/Yuyuko
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What.
Please don't do that. Both waves of the first card are ridiculously easy if you know where to start. The third card can be micromemorized but it can be done easily with pure reading. The human and youkai patterns are slightly different. (As human, the bullets travel the same path, just faster.) I am almost always youkai when I do those, but the exact same techniques work as human too. (Third card as human I just sightread first try.)
I intentionally chose some weak shot types for these, just to demonstrate.
First card: Youkai (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9991) / Human (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9993)
Third card: Youkai (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9992) / Human (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9994)
Don't worry if you have trouble with Mokou's first card; it's one of her hardest. (As with any Extra boss, Mokou is pretty much all memorization though. The only cards you could reasonably be expected to capture upon first seeing them are Flaw of Forgiving Shrine and Phoenix's Tail. The former is easy; the latter is harder but it's pure dodging, so memorization doesn't help.) Here's a replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9998) of how I do it with Reimu&Yukari. Staying up high at the start makes dodging the red knives easy. Move back when things get tough up high; usually you can go behind two rows of knives or so. Yukari kills it fast enough that it doesn't get tricky. (I have no tips for when it takes longer.)
For Flying Phoenix (see here (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Imperishable_Night:_Extra_Spell_Cards) to see the spellcard names I'm talking about), you need to misdirect the phoenixes so that you always have a path. You should never have to even get close to the phoenixes or the static bullets they leave behind. Here (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9995) is how I dodge it, but it's not the only way.
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Ugh, why can't I capture Source of Rains today? I could do it probably 75% of the time last night, but after nearly 10 attempts today I haven't captured it once. And it's not like I've gotten worse; I am faring much better at VoWG today than I was yesterday. What the hell.
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Trauma in the Glimmering Depths is easier.
Not really. I am not sure if it realistic to capture without memorizing how to do it but its just one single spot you need to remember. Still, until you find that spot its pretty tough. Medoteko is easy no matter how you put it. That is after you realize that all the amulets are aimed.
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I think the best someone has is 2DNB. That thing would be harder to time out than VoWG is.
eh, not really (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10002)
also, on that run i failed every single spell card except yamato torus.
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Stuff
Play UFO
ACQUIRE SUDDEN SHMUP SKILLS
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Geez, what is it with people and Ex-Keine?
I made a video for blind spots of the first card for somebody some time ago... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgipgd6bp-8)
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eh, not really (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10002)
also, on that run i failed every single spell card except yamato torus.
H-how. No offense, but I was skeptical of the legitimacy of something from someone I've never seen around here, but you're the real deal! How do you do it so well? D:
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I've never played the lunatic version before (due to laziness of not wanting to credit feed and/or learn)
so I might be way off, but from what I observe in replays and my own experience in hard...
Due to the shape of those bullets and the way they are fired,
near the bottom they drift around quicker than perceived
just like the rice card (2nd), but many time faster in vertical speed.
So, either you have to look near the sprite to avoid misreads,
or you just have to train to not misread those bullets as vertical.
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I'm trying to beat Suwako, but every time I try, I always make stupid mistakes. I've managed to do a somewhat decent job on all of her spell cards at least a few time, but the problem is, I'm inconsistent. Every time I do something right in one part, I mess up horribly in another part. Just earlier today, I got to her final spell card for the second time (seems to be one of the easier final Extra spell cards I've faced. It's just a little nerve-wracking) with only one life and 2 bombs. I survived until Suwako's health bar was about (estimation) 7/8ths of the way down. If I can JUST eliminate, or even just reduce, my dumb mistakes, I'll finally be able to beat her.
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Play UFO
ACQUIRE SUDDEN SHMUP SKILLS
....
Lemme fix that.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img829/7966/ohgodwhat.jpg)
Sue me. I was bored
(inb4gettingbanned)
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PLAY [shmup that actually requires skillful non-pattern-based dodging]
ACQUIRE SUDDEN SHMUP SKILLS
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The fact I still haven't quite gotten out of the nasty habit of SLAMMING SIDEWAYS INTO SLOW MOVING BULLETS, which is particularly infuriating when it happens right at the end of a spell card :(
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So has anyone timed out Kanako's opener? I can only capture it maybe 1/2 the time.
I have thought of attempting it numerous times but i have never attempted it. Still, it would be pretty hard.
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PLAY [shmup that actually requires skillful non-pattern-based dodging]
ACQUIRE SUDDEN SHMUP SKILLS
Don't make me do that. :V :V :V
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Don't make me do that. :V :V :V
Just any shmup that isn't Touhou should do.
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Thunder Force III & IV are shining examples. :smug:
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play dimahoo
get women
also
(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5276/th011.th.jpg) (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/th011.jpg/)
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Just ran a Recovery on the computer.
Realized I forgot to backup my StB, DS, and GFW score.dats.
There went my progress on those games.
At least I remembered to back up everything else from EoSD- UFO.
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play dimahoo
get women
also
(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5276/th011.th.jpg) (http://img838.imageshack.us/i/th011.jpg/)
Yeah! Dimahoo is a fun game. I haven't made it past Stage 5 though... oh and seriously Banana, i don't understand your VoWG capture rate. I mean, you are a good shmup player and VoWG just seems like one of those cards you would be good at. But looking at your other capture rates i'd estimate that its just Kanako who hates you.
StB, DS
Have fun doing everything again! >:D
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Die to Kogasa, Stage 3 owns most of my lives, game over on Murasa's survival card.
Have fun doing everything again! >:D
I don't think I'm going to bother. I could use a score.dat for Fairy Wars though so I don't have to 1cc 6 it 6 more times.
Edit: I completely fail. Derpy as hell run. I died to Nazrin on Stage 1. I bombed twice on stage 2 before the midboss, died twice on stage 2, died 3 times on Stage 3.
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6010/th000.th.png) (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/th000.png/)
Needless to say I game overed on the opener.
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I don't think I'm going to bother. I could use a score.dat for Fairy Wars though so I don't have to 1cc 6 it 6 more times.
I don't think i would either if i lost my score.dat
and here is one for fairywars:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5jbcoc4d8bazcd7
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So I 1cc'd MoF Lunatic with two lives to spare.
But Kanako robbed me of a VoWG capture as she was exploding. This makes me sad.
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He. That's nothing compared to how sour it is to reach her VoWG with six lives in stock and being so stubborn to not bomb Virtue of Wind God. And of course fail it. By dying two times.
I don't think i've ever captured that spell in a run before... i haven't done many either. My first and two more after that.
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Almost 1cc'd MoF Lunatic. Had 1 life going into Source of Rains, and died just as it was ending. Of course I then game over on VoWG. :(
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My usual response to something like that would be "Use MarisaC lol"
But I don't wanna push my style of playing on other people.
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Well, ReimuB is what I use 99% of the time, and all I need to do is stop making stupid mistakes.
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Dear Medicine:
FUCK. YOU.
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Dear Medicine:
FUCK. YOU.
+1
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FDSFLJDSLFDSKLJFDKS Lunatic A1 4cc. Got all the way to the final fight on one continue and derp'd the rest.
It's awesomely fun though.
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PLAY [shmup that actually requires skillful non-pattern-based dodging]
memorization is a skill bro
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Died three times to God's Rice Porridge. But by some miracle I made it Mountain of Faith without dieing. I killed her. Then I ran into a card when it was all slow motiony. Guess I can enter the Died After I Won club now.
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FUCK ARE YOU SERIOUS.
Eajy modo SA MarisaB
Fucked up my perfect game at stage 5, post midboss orin asploding spirits with yinyang shitting blue orbs by SHOOTING TOO MUCH and trying to squeeze through the gap as if I was playing skinny reimu.
Died twice on SPLEEN EATER WTF (1 death from orinkick? and another from spiritram?)
Died on Icicle Fall Normal (the eajy version of 10 evil stars, I forgot the name)
Died on Heaven and Hell Meltdown (WTF TWICE)
captured Hell's Artificial Sun.
FINAL SCORE: 296,786,630
which lost to my ReimuA score of 333,478,120 despite doing better earlier on and derping big time on orin and Okuu.
FUCKING FUCK
(suddenly score playing became awesome)
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I got the following boss order in PoDD:
1. Ellen 2. Kana 3. Rikako 4. Reimu 5. Marisa 6. Kotohime
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I tried out MarisaA in UFO. Her damage is good and in general playing as her isn't that terribly bad either. Just one problem...
GET YOUR SLOW ASS MOVING WHILE DEPLOYING MASTER SPARK!
Really, half the time i tried using Master Spark against a boss the boss would just move away and i would be unable to catch up with her. (KKS) and when trying to grap UFO's they seemingly float faster/equal speed as Marisa so she can't catch up with them. Annoying. But i did make it to Stage 5... where the bomb got me in a lose-lose situation... because the bomb makes you slow as fuck.
memorization is a skill bro
If you can suck at it, its a skill. I suck at memorization. So memorization must be a skill.
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I thought that if you dodge one of the balls on Shou's second nonspell then you dodge the rest of them. Dodge the first, stay still, game over screen.
Of course, it would have helped if I hadn't died to Kogasa twice, double KO King Kraken Strike, clip Ichirin's second nonspell, clip Murasa's third spellcard twice.
But even if I got to Byakuren, I probably wouldn't be able to beat her.
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I thought that if you dodge one of the balls on Shou's second nonspell then you dodge the rest of them. Dodge the first, stay still, game over screen.
Of course, it would have helped if I hadn't died to Kogasa twice, double KO King Kraken Strike, clip Ichirin's second nonspell, clip Murasa's third spellcard twice.
But even if I got to Byakuren, I probably wouldn't be able to beat her.
As it is right now i think you have a greater chance of 1cc'ing this game than i do.
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I would need a lot of practice on Byakuren, and I can't even practice Byakuren because I haven't even managed to beat her after a continue yet. I don't even have Shou's stage for practice with ReimuA, though I have it with ReimuB. Which means at the moment, I'd need to enter with more lives than that to stand a chance.
I was using ReimuA on the 3 attempts that got up to Stage 5 on 1 credit, 2 of them got to Shou, 1 game overed right before Shou.
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I tried out MarisaA in UFO. Her damage is good and in general playing as her isn't that terribly bad either. Just one problem...
GET YOUR SLOW ASS MOVING WHILE DEPLOYING MASTER SPARK!
Has to be some sort of drawback to the best player character in the game. :smug:
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And exactly what are these drawbacks to the best player character in the game that you speak of? I don't see any drawbacks to using ReimuA.
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He's talking about MarisaA.
Still, she's got very competent damage, but it's disappointing that Needles Reimu has a stronger bomb.
Also, Master Spark has horrible bullet clearing during LFO.
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And exactly what are these drawbacks to the best player character in the game that you speak of? I don't see any drawbacks to using ReimuA.
She's not Marisa.
I'm just joking. Reimu A is the better forward shot type, but I prefer lasers, so.
Also, Master Spark has horrible bullet clearing during LFO.
Try using Reimu B ;_;
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At least ReimuB can move up. Helps with redirecting or something.
SanaeB also doesn't clear bullets very well, since you can't see shit beyond the explosion and you can't tell where the bullets are gonna be.
MarisaA also suffers from that, and the invulnerability ends like .1 seconds after the bullet clearing.
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FUDGE SAUCE
Past "Old History" 0 / 13 (15% Remaining on last Capture Attempt before Failure)
Reincarnation "Returning-Bridge Ichijo" 0 / 11 (5%)
Future "Next History" 0 / 11 (35%)
Limiting Edict "Tsuki no Iwakasa's Curse" 1 / 5
Immortal "Fire Bird -Flying Phoenix-" 0 / 4 (5%)
'Fujiwara "Flaw of Forgiving Shrine" 0 / 0
High Score: 0 341 375 200
Oh well. Practice Persistence makes perfect, I suppose.
Although it only took me ten tries to do UFO's EX Stage...
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Past "Old History" 0 / 13 (15% Remaining on last Capture Attempt before Failure)
How? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgipgd6bp-8)
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I still have a lot of work to do. I entered Stage 6 1/1. Entered Byakuren 1/1.
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3093/th003.th.png) (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/th003.png/)
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If you've beaten PCB extra, you're more than capable of beating phantasm, just so you know.
quite a few of Yukari's cards are easier than Ran's version.
What.
What.
Just for shits and giggles, I decided to unlock Phantasm with all shottypes (previously I'd only done it with MarisaB). Haven't played it since my first clear, over a year ago. Took me about 20 attempts for the lot of 'em. (sidenote: holy shit is SakuyaA horrible) Phantasm? Farthest I've gotten is Human and Youkai - about 20 attempts ago. Haven't been past Straight and Curve since (okay, so the noncard after Straight and Curve, technically). I'll grant that Straight/Curve and Spiriting Away are easier (albeit nominally - their originals only ever took 1 bomb at most), and I'll give Double Death Butterfly the benefit of the doubt, as my only encounter with it so far is equivalent to my best performance on Unilateral (1 bomb). But the rest of 'em are at least equal in difficulty; and then there's the utterly trivial stuff like Wizard Fox Thoughts and Shiki: Chen that suddenly become complete bullshit. How can this possibly be considered on the same level?
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damn damn damn damn damn damn
http://i36.tinypic.com/ad2no1.jpg
How? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgipgd6bp-8)
it's funny because I captured it in spell practice later
with a history of 01 / 31
that being said
Keine 2: 1 / 5 ( 0 / 15)
Mokou 1: 1 / 34 ( 1 / 4)
Mokou 2: 1 / 29 ( 0 / 3)
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What.
What.
Just for shits and giggles, I decided to unlock Phantasm with all shottypes (previously I'd only done it with MarisaB). Haven't played it since my first clear, over a year ago. Took me about 20 attempts for the lot of 'em. (sidenote: holy shit is SakuyaA horrible) Phantasm? Farthest I've gotten is Human and Youkai - about 20 attempts ago. Haven't been past Straight and Curve since (okay, so the noncard after Straight and Curve, technically). I'll grant that Straight/Curve and Spiriting Away are easier (albeit nominally - their originals only ever took 1 bomb at most), and I'll give Double Death Butterfly the benefit of the doubt, as my only encounter with it so far is equivalent to my best performance on Unilateral (1 bomb). But the rest of 'em are at least equal in difficulty; and then there's the utterly trivial stuff like Wizard Fox Thoughts and Shiki: Chen that suddenly become complete bullshit. How can this possibly be considered on the same level?
* My first extra clear was with Sakuya A, it took like 200 tries. Then I found the vsync patch and everything is easy.
** Phantasm took only like 20-30 tries, and a lot of it was messing up in the stage and restarting
Yukari's Wizard Fox Thoughts is still easy streaming, Shiki: Ran isn't harder, just different
Anyways here is how I find/feel about the cards:
1st: not really much harder; still easy streaming, except that you now tap when the rice bullets arrive
2nd: easier than Ran's version imo, I do it by circling counter clockwise, and it ends quickly
3rd: I will grant that this is harder than Ran
4th: obviously easier than Ran's card, their is so much more room!
5th: I find it easier
6th: it's just like Buddhist Temple, but now with butterflies instead of round bullets
7th: this is harder than Unilateral Contact, but easily bombed
8th: I find it easier than Chen once you figure it out - basically stay in the bottom and move horizontally to misdirect the stuff and dodge the bullets, as Ran aims at you every so often. Before I got used to it, it looked like BS though.
9th: this survival is quite a bit harder due to the fast bullets
10th: just like Ran's card, not much difference
11th: can throw you off if you don't know how, but can be bombed
So, half of the cards (5) are easier!
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Marisa, why are you a damn brick wall?
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Has to be some sort of drawback to the best player character in the game. :smug:
Bullets blending in with her options :V
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1st: not really much harder; still easy streaming, except that you now tap when the rice bullets arrive
Yes, simple microstreaming... with about 50 times less room for error. They're also virtually impossible to read, so once it starts speeding up, I have to take it on faith that I've dodged the entire stream. Which, historically, hasn't worked out so well. Die by overstreaming or understreaming? Great choice.
Also, you're not reading me. Yes, some of them are in fact easier. But I never had a problem with those cards to begin with, and everything else is suddenly destroying me. ('cept the manji card, which is (thank god) still loleasy)
By the way, this extends to the midboss cards, too. Zenki and Goki looks awesome for all the extra space it gives you, until... "Holy shit, did that bullet just home?" DX At least Chen lets you stay under her the entire time and end it after just one wave.
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For Yukari's first card you can time the streaming based on the sound.
Zenki and Goki is ridiculously easy; just stream very slowly to the left or right, while dodging the non-aimed bullets. If you're not using a terrible shot type, you can probably kill it within 3 waves as well, if you more or less stay under Ran.
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For Yukari's first card, you watch the white bullets and tap once only when they are *about* to hit you.
This ensures that you dodge the whole stream, not part of it.
You also have to tap for every single wave, unlike Ran.
By following the above, you shouldn't hit any green waves, but you will have to stream faster if that somehow happens
Zenki and Goki, if you use Sakuya A, you don't even have to turn around.
Regardless, it's just streaming left to right, right to left, until Ran dies, and turning around is easy anyways.
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stream
dodge shit
stay under Ran.
Pick 2. :V
besides, I'm not saying it's hard, just that it's harder than Chen's version. Any way you slice it, three waves is still three waves, and Red/Blue only takes one.
Look, I appreciate that y'all're trying to help. I do. But this's just something I gotta keep practicing 'til I get. If I wanted help, I would've posted in the Spellcard Help thread. Instead, I posted in the "retain your sanity in ways that don't involve bashing your head against a wall until you can no longer see straight" thread. 'Cuz if I couldn't see straight, then I couldn't read bullets. And then my chances at winning would go right out the window. (It's not as if I could ask my reflexes to pick up the slack. =P )
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Holy shit, new reply.
you shouldn't hit any green waves,
That is the problematic bit, isn't it? :V
if you use Sakuya A
(sidenote: holy shit is SakuyaA horrible)
:V
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Reached Lunatic Yumemi with 4 lives.
She didn't get hit even once.
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She's not Marisa.
Yeah i like Marisa over Reimu as well but since IN she took a turn down the wrong alley when it came to shmup competence.
And i have a Marisa pillow cover. really, i do. And it cost me a fucking fortune.
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if you use Sakuya A
Stop right there. You don't use SakuyaA.
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Was getting tired of getting owned by Kogasa and Stage 3 for a bit.
So I tried more MoF Stage 6.
Failed several Divining Crop timeouts with a few seconds left.
Failed several Yamato Torus timeouts with several seconds left.
Couldn't even get close to 2DNB VoWG timeout because my consistency on the card is nonexistant.
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Stop right there. You don't use SakuyaA.
I'm not saying you should. In fact you probably shouldn't.
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I'm not saying you should. In fact you probably shouldn't.
SakuyaA is more challenging. :V
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Am I the only one that thinks SakuyaA is awesome :V? (First Normal+ except Lunatic (because I'm not done yet) 1ccs were done with SakuyaA..)
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Am I the only one that thinks SakuyaA is awesome :V ? (First Normal+ except Lunatic (because I'm not done yet) 1ccs were done with SakuyaA..)
She's not that bad, it's just everything else is better.
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She's not that bad, it's just everything else is better.
Well, Reimu A has piss poor damage that is even worse than Sakuya A.
Sakuya A's problem is garbage cherry gain and her bomb gets very little cherry and is not good at clearing bullets.
I would take Sakuya A over Reimu A, especially in extra/phantasm,
cuz otherwise things take forever to die and I run into BoLad timeout phase :V (well, only sometimes, but...)
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BoLad timeout phase
Nothing wrong with that. :V
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Well, Reimu A has piss poor damage that is even worse than Sakuya A.
False; even ReimuA is better. See comparison (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,181.0.html). The only advantage SakuyaA over ReimuA is an extra bomb.
I'm not suggesting that anyone should use ReimuA either, though.
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False; even ReimuA is better. See comparison (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,181.0.html). The only advantage SakuyaA over ReimuA is an extra bomb.
I'm not suggesting that anyone should use ReimuA either, though.
I obviously looked at that page!
Sakuya A Focus > Reimu A in damage
Who uses Sakuya A unfocus in bosses anyways?
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Ah ah ah. *fingerwag*
The far distance tests don't account for the fact that ReimuA focus should do more damage while slightly offcenter. Those tests were done with no horizontal movement from the beginning.
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B1 lunatic. I had Fairy Overdrive on the ropes, and I just needed to get under the three fairies...and got run into. I captured Three Fairies after it, so that would have been a 1cc.
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I just had a 1DNB Lunatic Aya run going, when I died a second time at the last moment of her last card. My "deathwave" ended the attack. It's particularly rage-worthy because I captured Peerless Wind God again.
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Did a Hard 1cc with Marisa/Alice team on IN to get a replay to maybe help someone else out. i finished with 3 spare lives because I'm terrible at the team and I didn't remember there being a lot of stuff that was harder than on Lunatic.
I have 1cc'd Lunatic with them, I didn't expect to do that badly on Hard.
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When playing Fairy Wars, I turn my botched (
score / survival survival for score) runs into Gold Medal / Mock runs.
(http://i30.servimg.com/u/f30/12/80/32/92/th/untitl91.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=769&u=12803292)
This has already happened twice in a row.
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Well! After 2 weeks of practice, I finally beat Great Fairy Wars!
While on my last continue. I don't think I'm ever 1cc'ing that one.
Of course, there's always my old fall-back, Imperishable Night. Thought I'd finally beat it with MariAri. Alright! Let's go!
Let's have 3 pathetic deaths on the way to a showdown with Kaguya with 3 lives remaining in which I get a game over screen before her second spell card!
I'M GOING OUTSIDE!
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MARISSSAAAAA
What is the hitbox of her Master Spark, again...?
Edit
I'm crying actual tears of despair
http://i34.tinypic.com/11izx9s.jpg
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I died on VoWG because my finger missed the button.
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That Flaw of Forgiving Shrine game over...
Pffft. Keep going, bro.
although you'll need to learn how to not die on those attacks if you wanna get through the rest of Mokou.
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Holy shit, Aya's exploding, I finally captured Terukuni
Crap, Double KO'd >:(
Capture DENIED
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Okay, I call freaking shenanigans on Fairy wars here. I failed C2 Sunny's second spell card even though I didn't die and didn't bomb. I failed because for some reason this game counts a bomb ending at the very beginning of a spell card as bombing during the card, even though it's automatically canceled before any shots are fired. >:| That's just stupid. That card ain't exactly trivial to capture (though I'm sure I'll do it again).
And as for the reason this event happened, C2 is going to be a tough finish. D:
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OK, so the fact that there's one shottype I haven't cleared UFO easy with is still bugging me, so I figure I'll get it out of the way. First part is great -- no deaths until stage 4. Stage 5 was meh, but still came out with my best Shou fight even though I haven't played UFO in over two months. 4/4 going into stage 6.
..... guess how many times I died on Byakuren. -.-
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(http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/2784/th002.th.png) (http://img806.imageshack.us/i/th002.png/)
orz
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That spellcard is the embodiment of the word Despair.
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I used to play that card in a cafe. Everyone was like where the fuck is your player
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Virtue of Wind God 1 Death No Bomb Timeout. So close, not in terms of time, but in numbers of deaths. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10096)
Death was lame.
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Virtue of Wind God 1 Death No Bomb Timeout. So close, not in terms of time, but in numbers of deaths. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10096)
Death was lame.
When you get good at reading VoWG your deaths will always be lame. ;)
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After Utsuho's 3rd non-spell, I rushed toward the life star thing that appeared...
And that's when she summoned "Fixed Star".
CRASH
Dammit and I could have beaten normal too... :ohdear:
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I just failed Flaw of Forgiving Shrine.
Then I captured Volcano in the same run.
Seriously, what the hell.
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Kanako's last survival card won't let me clear MoF on Normal. This one and the homing knives one have been denying me victory for half a year.
I promised myself that I'd clear it during the summer holidays; my failure will be complete the day after tomorrow.
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Tried MoF Hard no bombs because Lunatic is way too hard for me like that.
Deaths:
Hina's midboss card
Nitori's Extending Arm card(Not a surprise, also don't remember how long the actual name is)
Saruta Cross
Aya's second nonspell
Game over on Sanae's midboss card, so you can guess how well(bad) stage 5 went.
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Hina's midboss card
Why didn't you restart then?
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Because I'm comfortable with almost everything in the game on Hard and figured dying there was a nonissue. Though I forgot how much faster Nitori's midboss card was, but it wasn't an issue.
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Why didn't you restart then?
Why should he?
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Why should he?
Because a death in Stage 2 isn't desirable when going for a No-bombs run.
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Because a death in Stage 2 isn't desirable when going for a No-bombs run.
Neither is a death anywhere else. It depends on wether or not you are content that you can get consistently significantly farther than the place where you died. Many first time accomplishments like 1ccs or even no-bomb-runs will upon retrospection show that there was at least one death that was quite early and/or plain stupid and avoidable.
My perfect lunatic Kanako battle is preceded by dying twice to the stage. Anything is possible. :derp:
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My perfect lunatic Kanako battle is preceded by dying twice to the stage. Anything is possible. :derp:
I just meant that its wise to avoid any easily avoidable deaths to give greater room for error later on. When i made a No-Bombs Hard 1cc a while back i got through the first three stages NDNB but still managed to almost lose my run in the end because of things like, well, Stage 5. And some stupid mistakes. There is also mistakes that are quite hard to see coming. Like mistapping and generally failing at something you are normally 100% consistent at. And it is at those points its nice to not have died during the easiest part of the game.
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(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3272/wpsa.th.jpg) (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/wpsa.jpg/)
Beat Yumemi first try, too. Whoops.
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Why didn't you restart then?
Because restarting every time you don't perfect the game up till stage X gets very old, very fast, and you still have a bunch of resources. My PCB lunatic 1cc came after fighting the most powerful urge imaginable to restart after dying twice with full bombs to Spring Kyoto dolls.
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Because restarting every time you don't perfect the game up till stage X gets very old, very fast,
Agreed. I only restart if I actually die like 4 times before stage 4.
It still bugs me a lot though, in a run where I could've 1cced EoSD lunatic if not for a death in Rumia.
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I died twice to Hina in my Lunatic 1cc.
And I still ended 2/4.
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I hate Reimu's fight. Let's die 6 times because Sakuya completely sucks.
A Sakuya solo 1cc wouldn't even be that hard if she didn't have to fight Reimu.
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So apparently freezing too many bullets, as in, say, the yellow-green streaming part during Extra, causes me slowdown.
... :(
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I just failed Wizards Fox Thoughts.
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My last lunatic 1cc attemp ended by GameOvering in Cephalic Plate :V
I blame myself for not bombing.
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I almost didn't clear this (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10115)
I need to play UFO Extra more often because I barely ever do so every run I do completely fails.
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SWR's story mode is H-A-R-D for me...I obviously need to play as other characters besides Remilia.
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IaMP/SWR/Soku is H-A-R-D for me
^How I feel about the fighters in general.
Pretty sure I (barely) managed a 1cc with Reisen on Normal, though I can't really bring myself to care enough to find out how broken she is/isn't.
Anyway, from my somewhat limited experience with SWR, Remilia isn't that bad. Though if someone else wants to correct me feel free.
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SWR's story mode is H-A-R-D for me...I obviously need to play as other characters besides Remilia.
Took me quiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite a while to Lunatic 1cc that one. Master Spark's invincibility frames were the only way I could beat Scarlet Weather Rapture of All Mankind.
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I really would not recommend trying anything big with Remilia's story mode unless you're really confident in her, since it's so much longer than everyone but Tenshi's.
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While I know the fighters (or used to know them, it's been awhile) inside and out, I couldn't get into story mode outside of IaMP. Opponents with super armor = combos become impossible = screw this.
Basically what I'm saying is, I can't really help with story mode, because characters that are good outside of it could be useless in it, and vice versa. Generally speaking, I remember Reimu's, Marisa's, and Sakuya's scenarios all being beatable with 236C abuse, and remember Reisen's being easiest due to it only being three stages long.
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Story mode: find something abuseable, abuse it, you don't even need to learn to play the game
I did IaMP and SWR with Alice, IaMP by kicking everyone in the shins and SWR by lolsemirandomdollspam. And Hisoutensoku has Cirno's 6C.
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Story mode: find something abuseable, abuse it, you don't even need to learn to play the game
I did IaMP and SWR with Alice, IaMP by kicking everyone in the shins and SWR by lolsemirandomdollspam. And Hisoutensoku has Cirno's 6C.
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. It's like an entirely different game; instead of learning combos, mixups, etc. you just find something that works and abuse it. Characters with powerful one-shot moves suddenly become god tier.
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The same goes for pretty much every other fighting game. You'll always be in for a nasty surprise when you play against an actual person for the first time no matter how good the AI may seem at first.
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Because restarting every time you don't perfect the game up till stage X gets very old, very fast, and you still have a bunch of resources. My PCB lunatic 1cc came after fighting the most powerful urge imaginable to restart after dying twice with full bombs to Spring Kyoto dolls.
Alright i guess.
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Damn this terrible laptop keyboard. I can barely capture any of Kanako's spellcards (except Medoteko). I guess that VoWG timeout will have to wait until I get home. :(
On the other hand, I found a tactic that I think will make VoWG easier.
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I play in a laptop so don't know if it harder than a computer,
PoDD, really, even on normal Yumeni rape me and ex attacks start flying from one side to another, and i lost all my lives :(
Fukyu Yumeni...
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I'm guessing that when you start kicking your printer in frustration at dying to a bullet that you didn't see/wasn't there that you should be taking a break.
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OH MY GOD GUYS
YOU KNOW THAT OLD HISTORY CARD
LIKE YEAH
I GOT TO KEINE FIVE TIMES THIS ONE DAY
and I kept dying to the SAME BULLET EVERY TIME
It's one of the last blue ones and it's a little to the left and up of the initial red stream
THE FUNNY THING IS THAT IF I WOULDN'T DO THAT I WOULD CAPTURE IT
it's so depressing
:colonveeplusalpha:
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it's so depressing
:colonveeplusalpha:
Human, youkai, or team?
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arrrrrrrgh Marisaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Human, youkai, or team?
Magic Team.
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(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2733/lbah.th.jpg) (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/lbah.jpg/)
fuck
who thought dying three times in stage three was a good idea?
The highlights though:
1. capturing 2 of Patchy's cards and 2 of Sakuya's cards
2. successfully safespotted Eternal Meek
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I got killed just as the boss was exploding twice today, on Border of Wave and Particle and Eternal Meek. And all of my tries to 1cc Normal SA went to hell on Stage 5, after stupid deaths on S4. I came to conclusion that I have no business with other shottypes than Reimu A. Furthermore I failed to beat Remilia on lunatic 3 times (my usual warmup) and fucked up a PCB Extra clear which was one bomb away (stupid Marisa B).
Summary: Today, I accomplished nothing. Seriously, if 1% of the horrible curses I`ve been uttering today would come true, then there would be a black hole in place of Gensokyo right now.
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Magic Team.
Have fun. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10127)
EDIT: GOOOOOD WHY AM I TRYING EOSD EXTRA AT 90 FPS?
screw Maze of Love. In other news, I made my first Silent Silene capture, ever, at 1.5 speed.
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Die with 4 bombs in stock on Undefined Darkness(costing me a no death run)
Die with 4 bombs in stock on Rainbow UFO
Die with 5 bombs in stock on the survival
Die with 5 bombs in stock on Grudge Bow(admittedly I was going for a capture)
Bomb a lot more than expected to avoid a game over.
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Die with 4 bombs in stock on Undefined Darkness(costing me a no death run)
Die with 4 bombs in stock on Rainbow UFO
Die with 5 bombs in stock on the survival
Die with 5 bombs in stock on Grudge Bow(admittedly I was going for a capture)
Bomb a lot more than expected to avoid a game over.
Bomb the survival. Always. Shit card. Undefined Darkness, either follow Banana's tactic or do it like a man/like me by just luring her around and dodging whatever happens (kills me sometimes but more fun) and always try to capture Grudge Bow because its awesome.
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I actually almost timed out Nightmare, except one, the game was lagging, and two, it was lagging at 50% speed D:
There were about ten game seconds left, methinks
(At that lag 10 timer seconds took like 40 actual seconds)
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In an attempt to improve, I decided to tackle each of the extra stages I'd already unlocked:
EoSD: Laevateinn and Maze of Love tear me apart. Haven't made it to Starbow Break yet, and I'm not exactly optimistic.
PCB: How is Charming Siege from All Sides even possible? I'm not too much better at Soaring Guardian God or Banquet of 12 General Gods...
IN: Ha ha, old chap! EX-Keine and the death fairy -- and yet I somehow still made it to Xu Fu's Dimension. Hmm.
MoF: I've gotten to Mishaguji-sama before, but no such luck recently. I am also incapable of capturing Moriya's Iron Ring for some reason.
ugh
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IN: Ha ha, old chap! EX-Keine and the death fairy -- and yet I somehow still made it to Xu Fu's Dimension. Hmm.
EX-Keine
You better not be complainin' about that first card of hers.
And that death fairy just involves left right right left right right left right right left right right dead.
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EoSD: Laevateinn and Maze of Love tear me apart.
Laevatein is easy: after first laser, go right and then above her and then to top left of screen, after 3rd laser, move down and right to center of screen, and then after 4th laser go right, up to the top, a bit left, and down, around the bullets, and then it's her first laser again. Repeat until she is dead.
IN: Ha ha, old chap! EX-Keine and the death fairy -- and yet I somehow still made it to Xu Fu's Dimension. Hmm.
if you are border team, safespot the deathfairy at bottom left corner after locking Ran on it
MoF: I've gotten to Mishaguji-sama before, but no such luck recently. I am also incapable of capturing Moriya's Iron Ring for some reason.
Shoot at the bottom, when a ring almost get you, move as quick as you can around and to the top of screen, when she pauses firing, move back below her. Repeat until dead.
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tbh Laevatein is the only card I can capture consistently at 90FPS.
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You better not be complainin' about that first card of hers.
The third one, actually, though Returning-Bridge Ichijo, more often than not, causes a deathbomb. And to be fair, I'm only a Normal Mode player.
I'll try to put those tips into practice. Thanks, you two!
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so I timed out the death fairy...
Proceeded to perfect the stage up to Flaw of Forgiving Shrine, where I deathbomb twice, losing three bombs.
Proceed to perfect the rest of Mokou, use a Youmu regular bomb and a Yuyuko deathbomb (two bombs spent total) on RROD.
I even capture Possessed by Phoenix's second phase with the uber graze method.
So, no deaths, right?
Died with 2% of Hourai Doll's life remaining. T_T
Btw, have the deathfairy timeout/ALMOSTFUCKINGNODEATHEDMOKOU replay. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10136)
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words cannot explain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g89hk6SYd1Q)
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one bullet
one goddamn tiny start bullet which somehow didn't freeze = game over on Marisa's last card
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So I've captured everything on MoF stage 6 'cept VoWG now. I still keep dying to the first 10-20 seconds then perfecting the rest :derp:
I'M SO BACKWARDS WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME
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StB - 58 scenes, 8 away from unlocking extra
DS - 48 scenes, 4 away from unlocking extra
God damn it so close, and yet so far away!
Spent 10 hours today, to clear... 4 scenes? FUCK
Do I need to like 1cc lunatic before even trying these scenes?
I can't even clear ONE scene in StB level 10 while I probably need to clear like 5.
In DS, I can't beat Ichirin's fists :ohdear:
and for that fact, most of everything that comes after.
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DS...
You're still not quite 4 away from unlocking it. You need to clear at least one scene from every level (although there's at least one easy one on each stage)
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DS...
You're still not quite 4 away from unlocking it. You need to clear at least one scene from every level (although there's at least one easy one on each stage)
I have cleared at least one from each of the 12 levels, or else how did you think I got my 48 scenes?
It's not like I could beat all of Orin's zombie fest or Utsuho's HUGE suns or Iku's curvy lazers
EDIT: cleared one more scene, so now it's 49 for DS! 3 more to go :V
Suwako's rings are lolsy and fun, but whenever I made it to the last shot, I somehow always die stupidly.
Kanako's pillars have walled me way too many times, just as I get to the last shot,
and her snakes are just :V :V :V how?
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10142)
Not once, but twice with 1 second left.
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Huh? What the heck is up with me? I have been spending 4 hours over the course of this week on clearing through StB again (now only missing a few level 10 scenes and most extras). Much to my surprise i didn't have to spend an age to clear The Ceiling or Mysterium (got both in about 5 attempts) but Shikieiki's bubble spell, Guilty or Not Guilty i think...
Is that supposed to be hard? I found it very annoying this time around. Constantly clipping bubbles. And what's up with the hitbox on that blasted laser?
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10142)
Apply this technique to timeout within 5 tries (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T75nydzvNZU)
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But that's no fun if it's easier.
What part does moving to the corner make easier? The lasers, or the bullets? I have no trouble at all with the lasers; it's just me running into stupid bullets all the time on this awful laptop.
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But that's no fun if it's easier.
What part does moving to the corner make easier? The lasers, or the bullets? I have no trouble at all with the lasers; it's just me running into stupid bullets all the time on this awful laptop.
The lasers are what usually gets me if i take it in the middle. Because i'm concentrated on the bullets.
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but Shikieiki's bubble spell, Guilty or Not Guilty i think...
Is that supposed to be hard? I found it very annoying this time around. Constantly clipping bubbles. And what's up with the hitbox on that blasted laser?
dunno, but I have the exact same problem.
I eventually figured out that the laser hitbox is the white plus the PURPLE area, so don't go anywhere near it.
Those bubbles, I think the hitboxes aren't that bad, it's just that I constantly misread them since they are fast,
and as a result, either moved to the wrong place or tried to go through them too early.
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Tried UFO Lunatic with SanaeB
None of the attempts got past stage 1 because of stupid derp deaths on midboss and boss Nazrins and obviously not perfecting stage 1 is autorestart.
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10151
; _ ; . . . . .
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Tried Satori on a whim.
Nearly perfected her.
Was two seconds away from perfecting her.
I hate Border of Wave and Particle.
SO much.
orz
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aaaaaaaggghhhh widescreeeeeeeeeeeeeen
I've only been playing GFW recently so the widescreen wasn't an issue, I just set it to 1280x960 windowed. But I decided to give VoWG a shot...windowed is way too small, and widescreen throws me off ALL OVER THE PLACE.
what do
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aaaaaaaggghhhh widescreeeeeeeeeeeeeen
I've only been playing GFW recently so the widescreen wasn't an issue, I just set it to 1280x960 windowed. But I decided to give VoWG a shot...windowed is way too small, and widescreen throws me off ALL OVER THE PLACE.
what do
Ugh... and that is the reason why I use an OOOOOLD laptop for playing Touhou. :D
Another reasonable thing to despair over would be the fact that my school computers use keyboards that only register 3 keys at a time. You can see where I'm going with this...
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Yes. I hate it when I can't EoSD with my face incorrectly.
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Blind FW Extra run.
IIRC Donut did make a prediction that I was going pull a Game Over on "TEST SLAVE". If my memory is correct and he did say that, then let me say that he's obviously stalking me guessed correctly.
Said run was cut off prematurely (this is the main reason as to why this post is here), and by extension, no replay saved since the video would've been sufficient. So yeah.
This (http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/12/80/32/92/untitl17.jpg) on the other hand made me cackle.
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I hate Border of Wave and Particle.
but BoWaP is easy and fun D:
/me goes to timeout BoWaP again
aaaaaaaggghhhh widescreeeeeeeeeeeeeen
If you have a NVIDIA card, there's a setting in the NVIDIA Control Panel for display scaling. Not sure if ATI has a similar setting.
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but BoWaP is easy and fun D:
The same way UFO lunatic is? B| The fact that everybody says it's easy and fun makes it even more frustrating to me.
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The same way UFO lunatic is? B| The fact that everybody says it's easy and fun makes it even more frustrating to me.
I would say, not really, although me being a normal mode player means that I probably aren't in a position to judge.
I mean, memorizing BoWaP takes place subconsciously, unlike trying to move in unintuitive ways in UFO,
and once you have developed your own path, it's actually kind of fun in a way.
The lunatic version, though, requires precise movement and reading that's somewhat above my level...
Regardless, I even find it sort of fun despite it being too hard for me.
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Die 6 times on Stage 3, game over on Murasa.
What the hell is up with Stage 3? If it weren't for that, maybe I could 1cc Lunatic. of course, I would need a good stage 5, Shou, and Byakuren, but this stage is the main block.
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The fact that everybody says it's easy and fun makes it even more frustrating to me.
It should be easy because it can be memorized (as in, after you memorize it the card is easy, I guess). I actually don't know what your stance is on the matter, nor if you've already put in time to do so. But if not, then I recommend you learn it on Hard first to save your eyes the trouble.
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You realize you're only making it worse? >:V I KNOW it's static, I KNOW it's "easy" and "fun," I know I should be able to do it blindfolded, but I can't, and that fact makes it frustrating no matter what (especially what) anyone says. Surely you have a similar attack or part of a stage you can't do that others can do much better?
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Just failed Profound Field 19 times with Border Team. Even though I haven't played the card in a while, I still pretty much have it down. Those fails weren't relearning the card but just derping certain dodges.
I know I said I wasn't planning to capture all cards with a team and was fine with having the 222 captures spread across the teams, but I realized how close I was to 222 with Border Team.
Cards left for Border team, both Omoikane Brain cards, Fantasy Heaven, Blazing Star, Profound Field. I hate all of those cards.
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Shoot the Bullet 7-5. I made it 5/6 and after she stopped time, she crashed into me with her ass.
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Mokou isn't easy at all, but she's fun in a masochistic sort of way.
In the same vein, why is it that I cannot capture FoFS?
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What's FoFS? ??? Acronyms without any prior context are hard.
Also, I'm doing disustingly well on bosses I'm randomly fighting. After that near-Satori perfect, I perfected Shou up to Vajra, and did quite well on Orin too. Yet I can't perfect anyone. :(
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Flaw of Forgiving Shrine, I'm guessing.
Stay about a third of the way up the screen; it's just pretty simple horizontal dodges then.
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How the heck did I almost perfect Koishi just to die FOUR times in her last card?
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dunno, but I have the exact same problem.
I eventually figured out that the laser hitbox is the white plus the PURPLE area, so don't go anywhere near it.
Those bubbles, I think the hitboxes aren't that bad, it's just that I constantly misread them since they are fast,
and as a result, either moved to the wrong place or tried to go through them too early.
Right. I had it kill me with nothing. I was standing on black space. Far away from the laser. I'd assume that the laser hitbox is square-shaped which would be retarded.
Yet I can't perfect anyone. :(
Seconded. How do you think it feels to consistently mess up Kanako Perfect on fucking source of rains? And when you finally perfect everything you fail at VoWG? annoying.
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Did a run of FinalB in practice. ND3B
Got hit on Eirin's nonspell, Brilliant Dragon Bullet, Hourai Jewel, and the second Last Spell. I can't believe I actually messed up Hourai Jewel. Those other 3 I knew could happen. Any of the Last Spells could cause a screw up.
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UFO Normal NB 1cc, arrived at Byaku with 7 lives, left with two. Failed Magic Butterfly (wat), failed last non-spell, died on St. Nikou's Air Scroll three times.
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The same way UFO lunatic is? B| The fact that everybody says it's easy and fun makes it even more frustrating to me.
I kinda have it the same way with UFO Lunatic. And i too find BoWaP easy. What i don't find easy are the two spells preceding it.
How can a spell with fast bullets coming from multiple directions and a spell that walls you if you misread it or the planets aren't aligned correctly be harder than a spell in which bullets only come from one direction, straight down, and is even static to boot?
On the topic of Satori, she does give me a share of pain. After getting a perfect run of the stage portion, which wasn't that tough, Satori decided to trash me with 1st and 2nd recollection spell. What a pain perfecting that stage is gonna be.
I also played Stage 5 and 6 and Orin decided to be an ass and consistently kill me with one attack of hers everytime.
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Nearly perfected Aya on Normal, only for Mountain God Procession to kill me two seconds before capture. >_<
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Stage 1: perfect yay 4 lives
Stage 2: pretty great, possibly 6 or even 7 lives out of kogasa
Stage 3: ffffff how unlucky am i oh hey there ichirin i'll perfect you okay
Stage 4: i don't even know what happens during the stage
Murasa: EVERYTHING TURNS TO SHIT
Stage 5: YEEEAAH BOTCHED EVERYTHING
Shou: LOL GAME OVER
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My runs:
Retry until I prefect stage 1
Stage 2: Die 1-2 times against kogasa
Stage 3: Die 5-6 times
Stage 4: game over on Murasa usually
What I used to have happen:
Same suff, except I would game over on Stage 5 Nazrin or Shou instead of Murasa.
It's not like Stage 5 mostly or stage 6 are even really that hard. Just Greatest Treasure and the postNazrin stuff. Shou can be bombspammed. Byakuren can be bombspammed. What's killing me is dying 6 times on stage 3 as well as dying on Kogasa.
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Stage 3: Die 5-6 times
get 5 bombs in stage 2 and bomb away stage 3 while replenishing resources at the same time :V
Seriously though, shaking and obstructing the screen by putting pink fists on top of pink bullets is just annoying.
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no dammit jeez the only card that really makes a difference in is kraken strike and that shit's over in three waves
stop that
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I'm surprised nobody has bitched about "Fairy Overdrive" yet, since it also shakes the screen. ::)
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Nobody should be bitching about it unless they have Luna Child as the "leader".
Though if you really are going to bitch about it I'll help you out and say "omg the fire bullets have a larger hitbox" and "omg i can't see the bullets when the fairies are lower on the screen" and "omg stop ramming" and (ry
Why certain people complain about a game that plays differently (read: bullet cancellan) being too difficult is beyond me; Lunatic A1 has been done No Vert already
give or take some extremely lucky dodgan
. Though, I'd argue that there's sufficient dodging in there already
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noooooo
Imperishable Night: Let's 1CC the Border Team on Normal~
Stage 1: Ended 3/3
Stage 2: Ended 4/3
Stage 3: Ended 6/5
Stage 4: Ended 4/3
Stage 5: Ended 2/0
Stage 6: Eirin's Boss Card 2
Score: 0 738 218 280
Three. Three instances I died with bombs in stock!
And why the fucking hell does deathbombing subtract fucking two? I have no idea! What!
Extra Stage:
Pre- Keine: Perfected.
Ex- Keine Card 1: 90% depleted
Ex- Keine Card 2: Captured, once
Ex- Keine Card 3: 40% depleted
Post- Keine: Maybe one or two bombs here or there.
How can I get that final fairy to drop a life instead of a bomb, when I have zero lives left?!?
Mokou Card 1: Captured once
Mokou Card 2: 80% depleted
Mokou Card 3: Seen, once. Died. Card 2 always gives me the game over now, even when I enter 2/3.
seething HATE
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I'm surprised nobody has bitched about "Fairy Overdrive" yet, since it also shakes the screen. ::)
Fairy overdrive doesn't have Pink on Pink. I don't think I ever complained about the shaking on King Kraken Strike, but the Pink on Pink.
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Shoot the Bullet 3-6. They had to put that in the wrong place, it was too annoying for a level three. It was too hard to keep up with both sets of lasers and bullets and stuff. And why did she need seven pictures of that!? But now I've finally cleared all of 1-6 on StB.
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Played EoSD at my friends house, used all my Continues getting to Remi on Normal. I make it to Red Magic... I'm posting her for a reason, I didn't win T-T
Not sure if I should be happy or sad at this, that was my first time playing EoSD in like, years.
Then I play UFO for the first time and made it to Cap'n Murasa, on Normal T-T I thought the Giant F***ing fists and anchors were a Fanon Joke with Ichirin and Murasa, not actual Danmaku T-T
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I actually managed to play a Touhou game for the first time ever.
Ichirin is such a pain. On Easy. Haven't beat her...yet. EDIT: Until now. Now let's see how painful the rest of UFO is...
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I actually managed to play a Touhou game for the first time ever.
Ichirin is such a pain. On Easy. Haven't beat her...yet. EDIT: Until now. Now let's see how painful the rest of UFO is...
You have Murasa. Then Shou. Actually, UFO really is full of crap.
I still love it though.
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I actually managed to play a Touhou game for the first time ever.
Ichirin is such a pain. On Easy. Haven't beat her...yet. EDIT: Until now. Now let's see how painful the rest of UFO is...
Quite frankly, I wouldn't recommend UFO to start off with. :S EoSD or PCB would be much better choices due to them having the most traditional gameplay (well other than LLS and MS but those are bad choices for different reasons).
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I'm going for my Extra Unlock on EoSD, but I can't bring myself to do another attempt since my last run. Made it to Red Magic with my last life and three bombs, and really started to choke. At 56M I just started blowing my bombs and hoping for an extend. I didn't get it, and died in a pretty unsatisfying way.
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the most traditional gameplay
I find that EoSD and PCB seem have slower bullets than the rest of the games.
Is that actually true or am I just having delusions?
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Boke, play more. Practice more. Stage practice for the stages you have more trouble with. Get more point items at full value so you get all the extends.
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You have Murasa. Then Shou. Actually, UFO really is full of crap.
I still love it though.
Some patterns aren't doable... I curse Byakuren's curved lasers and her whole Star Maelstr?m...
But actually, the difficulty is less messed than SA's. For examples, earlier bosses have patterns you have never seen in any Touhou game, before, and I don't see the difference between Yuugi's patterns in Normal and Lunatic.
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I find that EoSD and PCB seem have slower bullets than the rest of the games.
Is that actually true or am I just having delusions?
EoSD? Not really. Its probably the hardest windows game outside of UFO. Bullets slow in EoSD? I wouldn't say they are. There are cases when the bullets are slow but then there is usually something else that makes things harder.
Back when i was a normal mode aspirant i had the hardest time clearing EoSD and SA. When UFO came along i was far beyond normal so i can't really say about that one.
PCB however, yes. That have some of the slowest bullets and some of the easiest danmaku in the entire series. A final boss that's basically not a threat and super easy stage portions in Stage 4 and 5. + the ridiculous amounts of resources makes the game very beginner friendly.
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I don't really remember having much trouble with EoSD until Lunatic. I'd say all lower difficulties there are relatively easy, but the jump from Hard to Lunatic is pretty huge.
PCB is easy, but it's Normal has some parts that are way harder than your usual Normal level. I actually think the Prismrivers are harder than they are on Hard. It still has so many resources and lots of easy parts to balance it out that I'd say it's one of the easier 1cc's.
SA and UFO were definitely the hardest Normals for me even though I played the games in order.
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I find that EoSD and PCB seem have slower bullets than the rest of the games.
Is that actually true or am I just having delusions?
EoSD becomes hard since stage 4 because of the disposition of some patterns. The game has no hitbox, so I can't graze properly, sometimes. What is funny in my case is that I finish my Touhou Rush at stage 4, in both Normal and Hard mode.
In my opinion, I found PCB's fourth stage more logical than EoSD's, so I could pass it.
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I don't really remember having much trouble with EoSD until Lunatic. I'd say all lower difficulties there are relatively easy, but the jump from Hard to Lunatic is pretty huge.
PCB is easy, but it's Normal has some parts that are way harder than your usual Normal level. I actually think the Prismrivers are harder than they are on Hard. It still has so many resources and lots of easy parts to balance it out that I'd say it's one of the easier 1cc's.
SA and UFO were definitely the hardest Normals for me even though I played the games in order.
EoSD Lunatic is probably the hardest non-UFO one.
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And why the fucking hell does deathbombing subtract fucking two? I have no idea! What!
Because it's incredibly easy to do and deathbombs are usually strong enough to end a card in one go, I guess? That's just how IN works.
Ex- Keine Card 1: 90% depleted
Ex- Keine Card 2: Captured, once
Ex- Keine Card 3: 40% depleted
Post- Keine: Maybe one or two bombs here or there.
How can I get that final fairy to drop a life instead of a bomb, when I have zero lives left?!?
Mokou Card 1: Captured once
Mokou Card 2: 80% depleted
Mokou Card 3: Seen, once. Died. Card 2 always gives me the game over now, even when I enter 2/3.
Keine's first and last cards are basically static and they're just streaming so you should practice those in spell practice until you can do them consistently (I'd recommend watching a replay of them first so you know what to do). EDIT: Don't kill the fairy with bomb damage to make it drop the life. Mokou's first card sucks, but her next several are all pretty trivial. Card 2 is just misdirecting the phoenixes (like this (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10204)) and then you only have to dodge through two waves of the random bullets. Card 3 looks complex but you only have to take one wave at a time, like this. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10205) Just go blue, bottom purple, and top purple. Once you get the method down you'll never fail it, because it's the same thing every time. If you spend a bit of time in spell practice you should be able to make further into the fight :>
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The fairy does drop a life.
Don't let bomb damage kill it and you get the life. If you finish it with a bomb, then it drops a bomb.
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Really? Huh. I never knew. I guess I never actually paid attention to the thing it dropped, haha.
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EoSD? Not really. Its probably the hardest windows game outside of UFO. Bullets slow in EoSD? I wouldn't say they are. There are cases when the bullets are slow but then there is usually something else that makes things harder.
Back when i was a normal mode aspirant i had the hardest time clearing EoSD and SA.
EoSD Lunatic is probably the hardest non-UFO one.
I'm not saying that it's any easier objectively speaking because it's slower,
although for beginners, *slow* bullets, I think, definitely help because their eyes aren't as used to it yet.
When I first played, I had a lot of trouble with Eternal Meek and Flower Dream Vine (hard),
as they seemed really really fast, but after I 1cc UFO, and then go back to play, they are much more manageable.
Would EoSD still be that hard if you play with 5 lives instead of 3?
One of my main gripes about it was the (comparably) lack of resources for the difficulty,
having only 6 extends and 3 extra bombs (some are weak too).
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Shou 2DNB
I hate Radiant Treasure Gun and Complete Clarification. Vajra too, but it didn't kill me on that practice run.
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I'm not saying that it's any easier objectively speaking because it's slower,
Slower moving bullets are easier than fast moving bullets but i think that things like fast bullets coming straight at you will be easier than stuff like Radiant Treasure Gun.
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Quite frankly, I wouldn't recommend UFO to start off with. :S EoSD or PCB would be much better choices due to them having the most traditional gameplay (well other than LLS and MS but those are bad choices for different reasons).
I dunno man, speaking as a fellow Touhou scrub I seriously felt some improvement upon 1ccing UFO!
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I dunno man, speaking as a fellow Touhou scrub I seriously felt some improvement upon 1ccing UFO!
Because UFO makes everything before it easy obviously.
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My first serious MoF Hard attempt in ages (for reference, my best is reaching boss!Nitori's opener):
Stage 1: perfect (! -- I hate Aki's first card and second non-card)
Stage 2: Clipdeath on last card
Stage 3 ..... where it goes downhill: Die to Optical Camouflage because I forget about the second set of bullets. Die twice on the post-midboss stuff (bawwwww). Get caught looking on her second noncard. Bomb Kappa's Flash Flood because I'm in no mood to try reading it. Game over with about 10% left on Exteeeeending Arm.
Hard to believe that's an improvement. :derp:
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Quite frankly, I wouldn't recommend UFO to start off with. :S EoSD or PCB would be much better choices due to them having the most traditional gameplay (well other than LLS and MS but those are bad choices for different reasons).
I realized that, but I don't care.
On another note, Normal UFO Stage 3 is painful. (Yeah, I started Normal without trying to beat Easy first.)
EDIT: Especially Ichirin's second non-spell.
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Yay. I keep failing on teh easiest Final Boss ever: Kaguya :V
But oh well. No more IN for today ._.
*goes playing some Touhoumon*
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easiest Final Boss ever: Kaguya
FUCK NO YOU'RE WRONG
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I can consistently capture almost everything Kaguya has. I do find her the easiest final boss.
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UFO Stage 5 on Normal. My mortal nemesis.
After so long, I tried that stage again. Stage perfect, Nazrin perfect, and Shou perfect, until I reached her infamous "spinning-green-lasers" card. One life lost. Oh well. Then, at her last card, I lost three lives.
Brilliant.
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Failed a gold medal "Blazing Star-like Tag" capture at less than 1 second remaining. :colonveeplusalpha:
Gold medal'd most extra cards but how the hell do you do "Big Crunch" and "Open Universe" without freezing?
EDIT:
LUNA WAS EXPLODING WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUU
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Yay. I keep failing on teh easiest Final Boss ever: Kaguya :V
I don't know what version of the game you have but Kaguya is not the easiest final boss. Period.
I can consistently capture almost everything Kaguya has. I do find her the easiest final boss.
They say that Yuyuko is easy with practice. I didn't need that practice. All her attacks are just pathetic at the get-go. Not even 80% Reflowering is that hard of a spellcard. At least not compared to the rest of dem final spells.
What is it that makes Kaguya easier than Yuyuko? Or Kanako? Or Utsuho? My, it must be because you can memorize half of Kaguya's stuff.
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Star Sign "Twinkle Sapphire", how can something with such a pretty name be so damn annoying. And the other side's not fun either with Rainbow Light "Prism Flash" and Light Sign "Blue Deflection." I don't like those cards. It's gonna take forever to just get a silver medal with those.
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Salamander Shield and Hourai Jewel is not half of Kaguya's stuff. Even if you count her first and 4th last spells which can technically be memorized(I don't have them memorized), it still isn't half.
And you don't have to memorize Salamander Shield either. Just hourai Jewel needs to be memorized, and Eirin has Omoikane that has to be memorized.
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PoDD lunatic with Chiyuri is COMPLETELY NUTS
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I thought that after not playing Touhou for a few weeks you were supposed to come back and randomly pull off some amazing achievement without trying.
This does not apply to me :(
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I don't know what version of the game you have but Kaguya is not the easiest final boss. Period.
Oh wow Zengeku finally said something I can agree wit----
They say that Yuyuko is easy with practice. I didn't need that practice. All her attacks are just pathetic at the get-go. Not even 80% Reflowering is that hard of a spellcard. At least not compared to the rest of dem final spells.
NO goddamnit die in a fire
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I still don't see how people find Byakuren hard. On Normal, at least.
If you can clear the rest of the game with a surplus of supplies, you're ready to take her on.
But Kanako is the easiest, in my opinion.
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I'm not sure who is easier, Kanako or Okuu. Byakuren is probably one of the harder ones just because LFS. :(
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NO goddamnit die in a fire
It would seem that what i lack of skill in UFO i have in PCB. There really isn't that many attacks that are challenging for me in PCB.
Seriously, what is it that makes Yuyuko hard?
Byakuren is probably one of the harder ones just because LFS. :(
Yeah pretty much.
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Yuyuko is hard for me because of Demon World, which I haven't quit figured out how to do yet. Also her last (before RB) card gets me all the time. :(
The rest of her stuff isn't that bad though. Overall she's probably easier than Kaguya.
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Yuyuko is hard for me because of Demon World, which I haven't quit figured out how to do yet. Also her last (before RB) card gets me all the time. :(
I like that card quite a lot really. Its one of those that you supposedly can memorize but you don't have to. I usually just read n' dodge and i capture it pretty much every time. Its just a question of not getting walled by the bubbles.
EDIT:
And a Yuyuko-run went pretty bad. 3DNB. It probably has a connection that i had a conversation with a friend while doing it but its still messy. Two misses on final card. Its been a while since i fought her so its excusable.
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They say that Yuyuko is easy with practice. I didn't need that practice. All her attacks are just pathetic at the get-go. Not even 80% Reflowering is that hard of a spellcard. At least not compared to the rest of dem final spells.
YES something I can agree with!
NO goddamnit die in a fire
Whats so hard about resurrection butterfly again?
The only thing is that I'm terribly inconsistent in timing out SFN. (LOLOL CLIPDEATH AND STUPIDITY)
Hides in corner before "NOW PERFECT YUYUKO LUNATIC, NAO!" ahem guyz i can't 1cc runnatique modo yet. :ohdear:
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YES something I can agree with!Whats so hard about resurrection butterfly again?
The only thing is that I'm terribly inconsistent in timing out SFN. (LOLOL CLIPDEATH AND STUPIDITY)
SFN is also a really hard spellcard. But really fun. And really, its not something you should attempt if you haven't 1cc'ed Lunatic yet.
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SFN is also a really hard spellcard. But really fun. And really, its not something you should attempt if you haven't 1cc'ed Lunatic yet.
yay keyword highlighting
Fixed. :3
I have already captured it (marisa alice... meh) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQbaEfzsoRI)
I only made 20+ attempts to time it out. Ironically, i made 89 attempts at no focus timeouts :V :V BV (I was like REALLY BORED one day)
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On a random play of phantasm here at school, I 1D1B'd Yukari. Both mistakes were on BoLaD. :((((( A perfect Yukari fight would have been awesome, but I guess there's not reason to expect it considering I don't know and don't want to know how to safespot that spell card.
But what's weird is that I'm disappointed I had to bomb, because that means I can't add Yukari to my "just one mistake" club. >.>
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My best ever Yukari fight was 3DNB. So 1D1B is still better than mine.
All 3 of the deaths were on BoLaD.
Once I get this computer back working, I need to go perfect PCB Extra and Phantasm.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osf1fa4UhP4 haahahhahahahaha
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SFN is also a really hard spellcard. But really fun. And really, its not something you should attempt if you haven't 1cc'ed Lunatic yet.
It's not that hard to capture. You just need to learn to read the red waves and have some luck.
Timing it out, OTOH, :V
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FACK IT'S PARSEE KILLING ME WITH 50% LAG
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Whats so hard about resurrection butterfly again?
It would seem that what i lack of skill in UFO i have in PCB. There really isn't that many attacks that are challenging for me in PCB.
Seriously, what is it that makes Yuyuko hard?
When I think about it ... nothing at all. I just always have to fuck the entire fight up at some point.
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I don't know why, but I don't seem to know how to react to Reflowering 30% correctly.
The bullets seem to move too fast for me to think.
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So I ran through PCB Lunatic on my laptop to show some people. (PCB was chosen randomly.) This was a bad idea for several reasons: I haven't played PCB in like a month, my laptop is terrible at Touhou, and I was running it under Wine which meant extra lag.
Game over on Chen. Then I decided to continue, several times. Got to RB, cleared with the last life on the last credit, and then declared victory at the end of RB. Then I got hit while it was clearing. :(
I don't know why, but I don't seem to know how to react to Reflowering 30% correctly.
The bullets seem to move too fast for me to think.
I assume you're having trouble with the red butterflies. Stay somewhat high on the screen (middle or maybe even higher), and just rush through them before they expand. This technique makes the card quite easy on any difficulty below Lunatic.
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On a random play of phantasm here at school, I 1D1B'd Yukari. Both mistakes were on BoLaD. :((((( A perfect Yukari fight would have been awesome, but I guess there's not reason to expect it considering I don't know and don't want to know how to safespot that spell card.
That's what you get for trying to safespot.
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That's what you get for trying to safespot.
Uh. I said I DIDN'T try to safespot.
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Uh. I said I DIDN'T try to safespot.
Sorry. If that's the case then it must feel awful. Just keep up the spirits then.
Btw. You've got quite a list of those 1DNB bosses right?
I've got loads:
Sakuya. Flandre. Yukari. Mokou (ND1B). Kanako. Satori. Koishi. Shou. Nue.
Yeah, those extra bosses usually take at least one bite out of me everytime. Even someone like Koishi.
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Magic Stones, Yuka (stage 5), Gengetu, Sakuya, Remilia, Marisa, Kanako, Suwako, Satori, Orin, Utsuho, Shou.
And this was after I knocked Koishi, The Prismrivers, Reimu and Murasa from the list recently. B(
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So you did manage Murasa and Prismrivers? Was Prismrivers done with ReimuB?
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No, it was done by suiciding several times to lower the rank so Lyrica's opener wouldn't wall. BV
EDIT: I just remembered my dream last night: I captured Scarlet Meister.
/me sobs at his 4/34X history
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So that's twice I've failed Koishi in a row.
The hell?
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No, it was done by suiciding several times to lower the rank so Lyrica's opener wouldn't wall. BV
EDIT: I just remembered my dream last night: I captured Scarlet Meister.
/me sobs at his 4/34X history
I had a similar dream once, for pretty much all of Chen's Hard spellcards.
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I've played Normal to death for pretty much all the games, so I figured I'd finally play on Hard for once in my favorite standby, IN. I mediocred my way to a game over at Tewi. Well, that's alright, I guess. I would've picked up 3 extra lives on the way to Kaguya, too.
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Oh god!
The school's computers have enough firepower to run the post-PoFV games at full speed! (and mine does not- /sobs)
AND NOW YUUGI IS THE HARDEST BOSS EVER SOMEHOW
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No, it was done by suiciding several times to lower the rank so Lyrica's opener wouldn't wall. BV
I would call you something (something adorable obviously) but i'll just refrain from doing so. I should go check if that opener is so damn difficult.
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A GFW extra run sees me capture Big Crunch and Meteor Perseid. I'm so excited that I might clear the spells I hadn't cleared before in one run!
Then Blazing Star smashes me. Seriously, this is going to be Suwa War all over again.
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And you thought UFO's curvy lasers were bad.
How about Banshiryuu's curly lasers!? :ohdear:
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I would call you something (something adorable obviously) but i'll just refrain from doing so. I should go check if that opener is so damn difficult.
No, I'm curious what you wanted to call me. A cheater? If we are so petty that something isn't a perfect if it isn't at max rank...
Also, I think I'm going to stop actively going for perfects. I'm losing sight of what's fun in this series by trying to do these things, plus the challenges are just getting to be too much for my patience (why do I think I can perfect Remilia just because I came close once I have like a 1.5% success rate with Scarlet Meister aaaaah).
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I went on the quest to become the strongest in GFW with the English patch. Pretty hilarious dialogue. I managed to capture Marisa's final spell in the run so i'm glad. I'm not too glad about the rest of the fight though. I really don't like many of those spellcards. Cirno's freezing is too slow. I had many occasions of death because that Ice couldn't be deployed when i wanted it to. That's why i wasn't bothered with stuff in StB/DS' not being possible to handle without the camera. The camera takes a photo the second you tap the button.
And what's up with the bombs? I had one occasion where my bomb didn't go off despite being at 120% Perfect Freeze. And its not just a case of slow reaction speed. I hit the bomb button expecting a bomb and got hit a couple seconds after.
No, I'm curious what you wanted to call me. A cheater? If we are so petty that something isn't a perfect if it isn't at max rank...
Also, I think I'm going to stop actively going for perfects. I'm losing sight of what's fun in this series by trying to do these things, plus the challenges are just getting to be too much for my patience (why do I think I can perfect Remilia just because I came close once I have like a 1.5% success rate with Scarlet Meister aaaaah).
No i wasn't gonna call you anything like that. If anything i'd call you out for jumping over where the fence is lowest for not doing it with ReimuB but that wouldn't be fair (as if i haven't done anything like that before). A perfect run with Marisa is also a nice feat. I just can't understand why you'd have to suicide to make that attack easier. It does not wall you off. It just gets a bit trickier.
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Well, I'm used to Marisa's version, and I really don't want to grind a 4:30 long stage for something like this.
On that note of me not wanting to perfect, here's what my day's playing at school (free time~) has given me:
1DNB Satori (Flying Insect's Nest)
2DNB Orin (third non-spell and Ghost Wheels)
2DNB Nue (Blue UFOs and Green UFOs)
orz
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Well, I'm used to Marisa's version, and I really don't want to grind a 4:30 long stage for something like this.
On that note of me not wanting to perfect, here's what my day's playing at school (free time~) has given me:
Used to marisas version? No need to make excuses. Those two attacks don't take any getting used to. I am no better than you and i went in and destroyed Lyricas openers effortlessly. Playing Reimu exclusively. If you wanna see a tough opener go check out Merlin.
But there is really no point to that. You perfected them and thats good enough. The real accomplishment actually lies in capturing their final spellcard anyway. Thats the hardest thing they got because of how random it is.
And i can certainly understand you about the stage. Its basically 4 minutes of trivial gameplay. Not very exciting. Lily White at least helps keeping things interesting.
1DNB Satori (Flying Insect's Nest)
That sucks man. Having everything ruined by that card? Obligatory question: Was it your own mistake or was it one of those occasions where the card walls you off?
2DNB Nue (Blue UFOs and Green UFOs)
Really? That's like some of the easiest stuff she got. Who are you using?
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If you wanna see a tough opener go check out Merlin.
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I tried it. Forget about Lyrica's opener. This is the real bitch.
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2 seconds from a gold medal on Blazing Star. :( Just panicked.
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Argh, this is getting annoying. Losing to Byakuren all the time makes me feel like i suck at Touhou. I'm doing rather well on the rest of the bosses in the series.
She definitely receives my award for hardest Touhou boss ever. All the other Stage 6 bosses are pussies in comparison.
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Oh god!
The school's computers have enough firepower to run the post-PoFV games at full speed! (and mine does not- /sobs)
AND NOW YUUGI IS THE HARDEST BOSS EVER SOMEHOW
Set the frameskip to 1/2 and 16bit color in config.exe to play at full speed on your computer then. That`s how I play post-IN games (bar IaMP and StB). And after I got the hang of Yuugi, Orin rapes me in every hole.
Also, tried StB and DS. Simultaneously :V. And I`m sick of both already - Nitori and Reisen can go to hell. Yamame is a bitch in DS as well, but I somehow got all of her spells. I simply can`t fucking wait for meeting Shou and Orin :colonveeplusalpha:.
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Is it sad that I can't 1cc any game on Easy that isn't IN?
Cuz -insert stage 5 here, 4 in PCB's case- rapes me hard. :ohdear:
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GFW Extra. Stupid BS stage portion that has undodgeable shit and lasts 5 minutes.
In the lucky attempts that I reach the boss, the fight ended with Test Slave
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I was fighting Kanako on Normal mode and I was on her last spell. All my bombs were used up, my lives gone, and ten seconds left on the timer. I thought to myself, "Just time it out... time it out..."
At the second-to-last second, I heard a "pew" sound and the screen said "Game over!"
Tears of light stained the keyboard. I'm terrible at Touhou :P
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I died when her last card was exploding once.
Anyway, so SA is so full of BS it's crazy
Really
Using anyone other than Yukari is madness and Alice's lasers are backwards. THEY SHOOT OUTWARDS WHEN YOU FOCUS.
And why is Yamame's first nonspell harder than her second?
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You think Yamame's first nonspell is hard? Wait until you see the Lunatic version :V
Reimu/Aya is fun (but hard) to use in SA.
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ugh.
going for my eosd extra unlock. I get to remilia with 4 lives 0 bombs and think I can do it if I don't mess up. Get to curse of vlad tepes with 3 lives left. Then I run into a ball that appers. Then again. Then again. All lives lost.
Kept going and nearly had my first red magic capture. Then I die as she's exploding.
meh.
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You think Yamame's first nonspell is hard? Wait until you see the Lunatic version :V
Reimu/Aya is fun (but hard) to use in SA.
I did. I died though because of pre-boss fuckery.
And once again:
Using anyone other than Yukari is madness.
Suika's homing shots suck arse
Aya's bullets are fricking dumb
Alice's lasers shoot outwards when you focus
Patchouli's is.... average.
And Nitori's missiles have that delay I can't seem to tweak to my advantage.
[/bitching]
SA is probably the weirdest Touhou game, as in, the only one I can't seem to Stage 3 on Normal.
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Nitori's missiles have a delay, so? So did Marisa's frost bolts back in the day of PCB and
IN but nobody uses Marisa over Yukari.
Still, Alice would be the equivalent of the Netherworld Team in IN, except with weird shotgun potential and not more powerful than Needle Reimu.
Patchy is meant for destroying stages, but needs memorization.
Suika has horrible homing, so she's like the new MarisaLaser type. Except that she's still piss weak.
Aya is lulzy.
And Nitori is like Yukari, only suffering from Phantasm>Stage 3 Boss syndrome. But the bomb is great for extra.
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I never used PCB-Marisa :D
I never used the Ghost Team (That's what I call them, it rolls off the tongue better >:( )
Aya is no laughing matter. Letting go of the focus button somehow and running into Grandpa Hanasaka's Jealous of the Kind and Lovely's STATIC BULLLLLLETTTSS fills me with rage.
As for bombs, the lack of Master Laser Rape is saddening :(
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I have used MarisaA in PCB as my main character once but i for some reason switched to Reimu at one point. Maybe because i felt i was doing bad with Marisas movement speed being too fast or something and decided to switch over to what i was used to from the rest of the series. I dunno. Marisa was a good choice though. Not like today. ZUN just keeps her around but she never gets any really good shottypes. Shame.
In other news, GFW Easy Route A2. Wasted my time with this. Still haven't gotten any closer to Gold Medalling that Orion spellcard thingy. Don't remember what its called. The fairies just come down to my position and wall me off. I'll experiment with something different later on.
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Last night, I played Double Spoiler for the third time.
Have I ever mentioned how much I hate this game? Because I do. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.
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Last night, I played Double Spoiler for the third time.
Have I ever mentioned how much I hate this game? Because I do. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.
I'm curious, can you say exactly what about it makes it worse than StB?
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I died with 21 seconds left trying to no photo scene 7-6 in double spoiler :( Agghhh!
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I'm curious, can you say exactly what about it makes it worse than StB?
I honestly don't know. The music is meh (except for Infinite Nightmare <333333), but so was StB's, and I didn't dislike it for that. Maybe the characters? But no, I care more for the cast of DS than I do StB's. The patterns themselves? They're more frustrating than StB's, I think, but I also have an adjustable shot alignment to make up for it.
Thinking about it more and more, I think it's just that I liked StB so damn much that anything after that would inevitably be a disappointment. I can't even judge DS on its own merits thanks to having such a high opinion of its predecessor. So really I dislike DS for no other reason than "it's not StB".
Which would explain why so many people who despised StB love DS, precisely because "it's not StB".
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Huh, I see. I always try to disspell that bias, so I see DS as an improvement in almost every way to StB. But, fine, I can accept that. Also it has Hatate. :*
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a (http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3048/64825322.jpg)
b (http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9181/asdasdasdk.jpg)
I'm pretty consistent at this
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You think Yamame's first nonspell is hard? Wait until you see the Lunatic version :V
inb4 funen :V
Also, I loved both StB and DS, but after you clear them, it's just like...what's left to do? Wonderful games while they last, but once they're over...
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Erase score.dat, start again.
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I decided to try lunatic SA for the first time,
game over in the pre-boss part of stage 3, by a lasor.
and the only shot type i can use in SA Lunatic is Reimu B :V :V
everything else is dying by The wrong use of PoC,
And i thought MoF Lunatic was hard enough :V
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it's just like...what's left to do?
Take better pictures.
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Also it has Hatate. :*
That means nothing if I can't unlock her, you know. :<
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That means nothing if I can't unlock her, you know. :<
Welllllll, I could help you with that if you really wanted to get to the spoiler stage, but I know that isn't your style. As it is, it is up to you to weigh whether Hatate (:* :* :*) is worth it.
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I decided to try lunatic SA for the first time,
game over in the pre-boss part of stage 3, by a lasor.
and the only shot type i can use in SA Lunatic is Reimu B :V :V
everything else is dying by The wrong use of PoC,
And i thought MoF Lunatic was hard enough :V
Reimu B
Well there's your problem. Don't give up though, SA rewards those who practice its stages.
Also, you should be grazing to auto-collect, not using the PoC. There's plenty of bullets to go around on Lunatic.
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As it is, it is up to you to weigh whether Hatate (:* :* :*) is worth it.
Hatate (:* :* :*) is definitely worth it. But I'm just so out of practice that no matter what order of scenes to clear you give me, I'll fail at all of them. :< Le sigh.
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Hatate (:* :* :*) is definitely worth it. But I'm just so out of practice that no matter what order of scenes to clear you give me, I'll fail at all of them. :< Le sigh.
Now now, don't sell yourself short! I know very well each stage has at least one easy stage (well, easy once you learn it), and that you have the skill to beat them.
You're on level 9, right? In that case, aim to clear Camera-Shy Rose (9-5), which is one of the easiest late-game scenes. In level 10, strive to capture 10-1, which, as usual, has a trick. 10-4 is technically easier, but is difficult to learn. Come level 11, either 11-1 or 11-4 will be a fairy easy capture, and in level 12 simply capture 12-5, which isn't -easy-, but doable. Come on, I know you can do it! =D
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Hatate (:* :* :*) is definitely worth it. But I'm just so out of practice that no matter what order of scenes to clear you give me, I'll fail at all of them. :< Le sigh.
Now now, don't sell yourself short! I know very well each stage has at least one easy stage (well, easy once you learn it), and that you have the skill to beat them.
You're on level 9, right? In that case, aim to clear Camera-Shy Rose (9-5), which is one of the easiest late-game scenes. In level 10, strive to capture 10-1, which, as usual, has a trick. 10-4 is technically easier, but is difficult to learn. Come level 11, either 11-1 or 11-4 will be a fairy easy capture, and in level 12 simply capture 12-5, which isn't -easy-, but doable. Come on, I know you can do it! =D
9-5 is definitely easy and self-explanatory.
I don't get 10-1 or 10-4, but 10-3 is also not hard at all.
Safespot 11-1 (hint: the spot is near Kanako, and it's huge)
if you don't like 12-5, 12-2 isn't very hard either, but does take a while,
due to a number of defensive shots you might have to take.
If you need to boost your number of scenes cleared (you need like 58 for spoiler),
you might want to clear some stuff from earlier levels.
Extra cards aren't very hard either, once you unlocked them,
so you can also concentrate on clearing 4-6 of them
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Also, I loved both StB and DS, but after you clear them, it's just like...what's left to do? Wonderful games while they last, but once they're over...
Score-runs. Playing the game again. That sorta stuff. Find some fun stuff to do with the individual scenes. Its like a whole new set of spell practice cards for you to mess around with. There is always possibilities.
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I'm not sure I can take 12.3 seriously anymore. The weather system is becoming too fucking stupid.
EDIT: And the game apparently has input lag over netplay. No way in hell I can accept that.
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Today i was playing Touhou 1 in lunatic, the game was fine, the first 9 levels were easy,
Stage 10 : Mima boss, nothing special,
when i finally gave the final blow...
piiiiiiii.. the game froze....
Today it's not my day.
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UFO Stage 2 Lunatic. Perfected everything except Kogasa's second boss card, and dying very stupidly at that.
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I've always wondered, typically a "perfect" run is NDNB. In UFO, does it count as a "perfect" run if you use UFOs, or does it have to be NDNBNUFO? :/
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I'm doing no UFOs too. Not that hard to do Stage 2 like that. Kogasa is really the only challenge, but of course there are no UFOs to summon during a boss fight.
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I've always wondered, typically a "perfect" run is NDNB. In UFO, does it count as a "perfect" run if you use UFOs, or does it have to be NDNBNUFO? :/
Avoid UFO's if at all possible but don't consider it an imperfection if you don't intentionally summon an UFO. I have had situations during the final part of UFO Stage 3 where i was circle-streaming the fairies and an UFO came in the way forcing me to pick it up if i didn't want to die.
Besides, its pretty much the same as breaking familiars in Imperishable Night or destroying those bullet-clearing enemies in a cave shmup.
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Oh yeah, forgot to add. Seriously hate that Orion Break spellcard of GFW Route A2. Its the only spell i haven't gold medalled there. It almost forms walls but there is a little gap you can get through. The annoying part is that i have to play 10 minutes just to get to it.
EDIT 2:
And yet another of those 1DNB Kanako fights. And once again the death wasn't at VoWG. Rice Porridge is the culprit today. Annoying that.
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I've always wondered, typically a "perfect" run is NDNB. In UFO, does it count as a "perfect" run if you use UFOs, or does it have to be NDNBNUFO? :/
tbh it doesn't matter as ufos can also get in the way of your shots or even worse, block your way(st5)
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tbh it doesn't matter as ufos can also get in the way of your shots or even worse, block your way(st5)
Too right. This example is also from Stage 3. I accidentically summoned (UFO randomly flies where i need to go to avoid getting killed) an UFO at the circle-streaming part. Then the UFO floated down and shielded one of the two wall fairies that appear. The ones you want to kill as quickly as possible. That made the situation pretty much unsalvagable.
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(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4980/bawwwww.th.png) (http://img689.imageshack.us/i/bawwwww.png/)
Oh you got to be fucking shitting me.
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Sometimes I'm glad EoSD can't save practice replays. Because then I'm not tempted to relive moments like dying to a large bullet the instant Water Elf explodes. Or deciding to ram a stationary bullet during Perfect Freeze. Or .... well, you get the idea.
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PSM and KKS. Seriously ZUN, couldn't you have figured out something better for those bosses? You'd think that KKS is just a simple bullets coming down the screen-kinda card but why does it have to be that difficult? Its harder than most of Byakuren's stuff. And PSM alternates between handing captures on a platter to something that could just qualify as the hardest spell in the game.
Annoying.
EDIT: Sigh... UFO really proves to me how bad i am at shmups. Gonna go play something easy for now before i turn in for the night. MoF, here i come.
EDIT 2: Suck at that too. I need some sleep. Good night everyone. :)
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try Darius Gaiden
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So I figured I'd see if Fairy Destruction Ray has a timeout phase.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i293/Arcengal/GFWtimeout.jpg)
Yep. 20 seconds of insanity.
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Just failed a timeout of Sinkable Vortex Lunatic (with Marisa) at 00.3 seconds :V
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So I figured I'd see if Fairy Destruction Ray has a timeout phase.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i293/Arcengal/GFWtimeout.jpg)
Yep. 20 seconds of insanity.
Best part? The current WR run of extra invokes this for perfect-freezing purposes.
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Or deciding to ram a stationary bullet during Perfect Freeze.
We've all been there before
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I fucking suck today FUUUUCCCKKK
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try Darius Gaiden
Was that directed at me? What makes that game so special.
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So I figured I'd see if Fairy Destruction Ray has a timeout phase.
Holy shit!
Still, it would be too easy otherwise, I guess...
On-topic: I tried MoF hard for a change of pace today and found out that I still suck horribly at Touhou. I had a hard time reacting on freaking Minoriko, lost 2 lives on Hina and didn`t even made it to Aya. :colonveeplusalpha:
Speaking of Aya, anyone has a scoreth125.dat file from DS with all cards clear on both characters? Preferably with no shots locked. It would be really useful for me, and not just because I suck at DS :derp:.
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Speaking of Aya, anyone has a scoreth125.dat file from DS with all cards clear on both characters? Preferably with no shots locked. It would be really useful for me, and not just because I suck at DS :derp:.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ftak4hcd6bm6i4p
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ARGH FUCKING CHAINDEATHS
;_;
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Less than a second away from Gold Medal Blazing Star. I'm SO FREAKING DETERMINED.
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Played SA Normal again and Orin is still a brick wall. It`ll take me another year or so to 1cc it, unless I`ll play it nonstop, like I did with Phantasm. Then maybe a few months, but I hardly feel like playing it over and over and over again...
http://www.mediafire.com/?ftak4hcd6bm6i4p
Thanks a lot :D.
I know that once you capture a card in StB/DS, you don`t have to play it ever again, but I don`t see how some of them can be captured...DS mocks me left and right, Orin and Murasa`s survival are brick walls for me and I fuck up every attempt at 1cc MoF/PCB Hard during the first 3 stages :colonveeplusalpha:...
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Yuu know whot, I just reelized sumthing!
PLAYEENG THE GAME ON TIIMES TWO SPEED MEANS IT GOES TWICE AS FAST
and when the game is running "normally" the game is actually running TWICE AS FAST
Damn you school computers! Damn you as much as I damn Yuugi! (And Satori!)
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Orin is still a brick wall.
Bomb everything. :c
Some of her stuff shouldn't be that bad though, like Spleen Eater and the last card, as well as the first two nonspells.
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...It does say somewhere that nonspells are intended to be easier than spellcards, right? I've got the stage portion of GFW Extra down pretty well, but I've yet to even see the boss's 3rd card.
Stupid sucky reflexes.
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So I go into EoSD Stage 6 5/0.
Game over on Scarlet Gensokyo with less than a centimeter of health left.
Metal-fatigue bullets are so fucking broken, god.
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I've got the stage portion of GFW Extra down pretty well, but I've yet to even see the boss's 4th nonspell.
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Bomb everything. :c
Some of her stuff shouldn't be that bad though, like Spleen Eater and the last card, as well as the first two nonspells.
Pretty much my only option on her...er, everything. I tend to fuck up Spleen Eater and all of her nonspells as well, save the 2nd miniboss one before the catwalk (the first is obviously an autobomb). Practice on hard with downloaded score file hardly helps so far either, because I either bomb or die on half the stage stuff and everything Orin throws at me and barely defeat her. This one might take me a lot of time, so I had to vent a bit.
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Thanks a lot :D.
I know that once you capture a card in StB/DS, you don`t have to play it ever again, but I don`t see how some of them can be captured...DS mocks me left and right
As you can see on the dat file, it is certainly possible to capture them all. :V
So I go into EoSD Stage 6 5/0.
Game over on Scarlet Gensokyo with less than a centimeter of health left.
Fuck man, that must feel so bad. After getting there with that many resources and everything only to screw it up. You need to bomb more.
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Yeah, I'm definitely not aiming to capture all the spell cards in Fairy Wars. Going through a route just to not capture a single new card is not my cup of tea.
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UFO stage 5.
Curvy lasers. RAGE.
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Thinking I can play normal... then trying SA.
As a side: What exactly is a clipdeath? I see it mentioned a fair bit.
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As a side: What exactly is a clipdeath? I see it mentioned a fair bit.
When someone screws up and just barely gets hit by a bullet.
It seems that they usually blame the game instead of their self.
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New Super Marisa Land. I keep dying on Stage 2 of Youkai Mountain. DDD:<
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It's generally with broken hitboxes like EoSD bubbles and Metal Fatigue Bullets.
Other than that, it's where you die by like 1 pixel or something.
It's more likely to happen when the game gives you extremely small gaps, such as Flandre's survival or a lot of places in MoF and SA(although I can acknowledge I was nailed by the bullets in those 2 games)
The additive blending bullets more common in UFO has lead to a lot of this for me, and UFO is pretty much the only one where I excessively complained about clipdeaths.
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It's generally with broken hitboxes like EoSD bubbles and Metal Fatigue Bullets.
Broken? I call them different. People who have played the post-EoSD games then go back to EoSD will probably get hung up on them (more lenient hitboxes on the later games), but I've got a magic trick works on everything (though we generally ignore this for bubble bullets, it still works):
Don't let the sprite from the bullets touch your hitbox, and you won't die. Just because it is technically possible to do something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYKLMCPyC2w&fmt=22#t=1m30s) doesn't mean that you should try unless it is just for showing off. Consider the generous hitboxes leniency for your lack of precision :3
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EoSD bubbles aren't the issue - they are still sensible despite the bigger hitboxes. But my curiosity is seriously, seriously compelling me to learn what the exact hitbox is for the metal-fatigue bullets. I know they seem as big as the sprite, but I've seen a couple replays that suggest the hitbox does not, in fact, cover the whole sprite. I even tested it tonight on Young Demon Lord (if that makes any difference) and, judging from my movements, managed to slip into the top-left corner of one (the same place I've seen others do it). Reproducing it has been a problem though, since I don't have any sort of "action replay" type of equipment, and timing a "print screen" button press while simultaneously using my pinky to control focusing hasn't proven very productive. If anyone else with more expertise can provide some info, I'd really appreciate it. It would certainly help if we can settle this issue once and for all.
Just because it is technically possible to do something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYKLMCPyC2w&fmt=22#t=1m30s) doesn't mean that you should try unless it is just for showing off.
These are two totally different engines you're comparing. I'm not sure the analogy works. Never mind that slipping through such small spaces on Medoteko is sometimes necessary.
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slipping through such small spaces on Medoteko is sometimes necessary.
I always told you that Medoteko sucks :V
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I always told you that Medoteko sucks :V
I said going through the small spaces was necessary sometimes. I never said anything about its difficulty (which, I might add, is still quite easy). Try harder Banana. :V
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small spaces=claustrophobic=not good
I found that spell annoying ever since I first fought her on Easy.
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Panic bombing sucks. Dying to cirno on Hard mode sucks even more. And I can say screw you to Marisa on her last non spell. Fail.
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You know Satori, I've gotten better. In the year and a half since I branded you my arch-nemesis, I've gotten much better at your attacks. Double Death Butterfly is no longer a foregone conclusion in failure, I've learned a trick to your hateful BoWaP, and your clippy non-spells now almost never hit me.
But I still hate your fight. Just let me perfect it already, stop making me clip bullets I don't see and are likely half off the screen in BoWaP! >:(
Also I still don't entirely understand Flying Insect's Nest, and how to guarantee it won't wall me.
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The only thing wrong with Satori's fight i'd say is Flying Insects Nest. And i would comment on BoWaP but i don't have anything to say about it that haven't been said before.
One thing though. When where those non-spells ever clippy? They are static and easily dealt with and they offer perfectly reasonable gaps the same places every time. But at least you've gotten over those. :)
small spaces=claustrophobic=not good
I found that spell annoying ever since I first fought her on Easy.
Over 200+ runs against it i have only gotten killed by it 5 times at most. Since i started playing that is. It never happens now.
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clippy
clip
THERE IS NO CLIPDEATH, ONLY STUPID MISTAKESand shitty SA controls
MAN UP AND MAKE HER FEEL YOUR PIMP HAND
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THERE IS NO CLIPDEATH, ONLY STUPID MISTAKESand shitty SA controls
MAN UP AND MAKE HER FEEL YOUR PIMP HAND
Oh my silly fool. SA has excellent controls. Just like the rest of the series. I'd say that Cave shmups have less-good controls because they often link slow movement to holding down the fire button unlike Touhou in which its done by a seperate key.
Staying true to the Banana-spirit you should rather say something like: THERE IS NO CLIPDEATH, ONLY IN UFO.
I can say that because i can pass through "walls" quite easily. :V
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Oh my silly fool. SA has excellent controls. Just like the rest of the series. I'd say that Cave shmups have less-good controls because they often link slow movement to holding down the fire button unlike Touhou in which its done by a seperate key.
I don't think there even is a Cave game that doesn't have an autofire button.
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I could probably beat normal Remi. That is, if I could get myself to use more than two bombs after reaching her 3/4.
And worse, I'd bitten the bullet and switched to ReimuA for that run to get the easier Patchy fight. -.-
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Oh my silly fool. SA has excellent controls. Just like the rest of the series. I'd say that Cave shmups have less-good controls because they often link slow movement to holding down the fire button unlike Touhou in which its done by a seperate key.
Staying true to the Banana-spirit you should rather say something like: THERE IS NO CLIPDEATH, ONLY IN UFO.
I can say that because i can pass through "walls" quite easily. :V
and then you have shmups without slow movement because slow movement is for pussies :V
ufo controls are pretty good, it's the flashing bullets which confuse the hell out of me
SA might be because of the rotating familiars, but even the other chars feel kinda weird to move around
Also didn't ZUN get the MarisaPatchy combo mechanics from HRtP bombing? Both take fifty attempts before the goddamn input actually works
atleast SA doesn't spontaneously switch shots :V
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For me, "clippy" just means it's very easy to die by just barely touching the edge of a bullet, rather than head-on. :S And there is one dodge that must be done that seems designed to squash you if you simply try to move up without correct positioning.
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Oh my silly fool. SA has excellent controls. Just like the rest of the series. I'd say that Cave shmups have less-good controls because they often link slow movement to holding down the fire button unlike Touhou in which its done by a seperate key.
(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7149/watc.jpg)
:quality:
Also available in MoF and SA.
THERE IS NO CLIPDEATH, ONLY IN UFO.
:scrunchface:
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Also available in MoF and SA.
And PCB and IN. Thing is, I believe this is usually not activated as a "default" option (save from one instance when I mysteriously found it on in IN, no idea), so while it exists, I normally don't consider it as a part of Touhou's gameplay.
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Daily obligatory despair about Normal --> Hard mode growing pains. I get one spell card closer each and every time.
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The worst run ever. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10398) Died 4 times on stage 3, got rammed by Reimu's third nonspell and died, had 0/1 going into stage 5. Somehow didn't fail horribly, and got to stage 6 only using one bomb. 3/1 into Kaguya, I die on the second nonspell twice and third one once. Game over on Hourai Jewel. :(
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And there is one dodge that must be done that seems designed to squash you if you simply try to move up without correct positioning.
You are playing Touhou :V
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:scrunchface:
Relax Naut, i wasn't serious. And yes, i am aware that such an option exist. It isn't before now i realize that its quite Cave-ish though.
and then you have shmups without slow movement because slow movement is for pussies :V
Yeah, those are the primitive ones. The ability to slow down your movement when you want is a sign that you are dealing with better developed shmup imo. It works fine in DDP, Mushihimesama etc. but i just find it better with a seperate button for slowing down movement. But that's probably just personal preference. And a matter of what i'm used to. After all the amount of time i have spent on Cave shmups compared to Zun's games is pretty much 1/50.
For me, "clippy" just means it's very easy to die by just barely touching the edge of a bullet, rather than head-on.
That definition is pretty similar to my own.
You are playing Touhou :V
And in Esp.Ra.De your hitbox is about as awkwardly as it could. Different shmups are difficult for different reasons.
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The ability to slow down your movement when you want is a sign that you are dealing with better developed shmup imo
it just means that you are playing a bullet hell shmup without reflect shields :V
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Yeah, those are the primitive ones. The ability to slow down your movement when you want is a sign that you are dealing with better developed shmup imo.
Says the better developed player, I guess.
It works fine in DDP, Mushihimesama etc.
Nah, by your logic these were obviously developed by pot-smoking Neanderthals as well. Can't argue against facts, right.
And in Esp.Ra.De your hitbox is about as awkwardly as it could. Different shmups are difficult for different reasons.
Your hitbox in Esp.Ra.De. is pretty much at the exact center of the average volumetric onverging point of the area covered by the sprite, or something along these lines. Trust me, I know my non-visible hitboxes, being a part-time caveman.
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Says the better developed player, I guess.
I don't really know what to say to that. Its not like i'm the best player ever or anything like that. I don't see what that even have to do with anything. its just my opinion that shmup that only provides one kind of movement speed is primitive as they haven't incorporated the ability to move slower at will. Doesn't mean they are bad necessarily.
Its the same thing for FPS-games. Most of them have the ability to aim down the sights nowadays but there are still some retro-style games like Half Life or Halo out there that are still good games even though they don't have all the modern game mechanics.
Nah, by your logic these were obviously developed by pot-smoking Neanderthals as well. Can't argue against facts, right.
No. I like DoDonPachi and i like Mushihimesama Futari. I am appreciating Cave-games more and more. Esp.Ra.De even got some great boss fights. The only thing i said was that i found the hitbox odd to read.
As for that hitbox. I'm told its positioned around your characters neck. I am used to having it positioned around the waist. That's really all there is to it. I said i found it awkward. I didn't say the game sucked or anything like that.
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Shou and curving lasers.
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Ugh, YESTERDAY! I decided I would play PCB, so away I went. My journey was going well, I had a great amount of lives and nothing could stop me! I came upon Yuyuko, surprised at how well I was doing (I didn't intend to 1cc, I just wanted to play for a bit), with three lives and... two bombs? ANYWAYS, I stupidly killed myself twice, seemingly ruining my chances, whenever I got to her last spellcard. My heart started beating, fast! YES! I thought, I CAN BEAT HER! I finish her last spellcard successfully, congratulating myself on my victory, ONLY TO BE DESTROYED BY HER FINAL FINAL SPELLCARD!! Curses. I felt crushed.
I did win a moral victory though!
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Okay. Decided to start working on Gold Medallin' some spells in Fairy Wars at Normal mode. So far i have done everything in the first two stages of route A1 but there is one spell that pisses me off so damn much.
Star Sign "Twinkle Sapphire". What the heck? This thing is total bullshit! When did it become okay to spawn bullets on your hitbox? I wonder if there is some magic trick to this card. If not then its just a question of being lucky enough not to have bullets spawn on you.
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Bloody hell Yukari!
Yep. I just lost a perfect run due to BoLaD. And it was some gross mistakes on that card too. Yeah, "some". I died twice. ARRGH!
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oh god I love Resurrection Butterfly and all its variants.
It doesn't matter if I haven't played in a month and can only 1cc Normal with 1/2, I'll always love you.
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^I've been trying to perfect Yuyuko on Hard lately...
17 failed attempts yet... all at -50% Reflowering-'s red butterflies..
yet I can easily beat Yuyuko's Last Word. with Marisa...
does that count? :derp:
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Was just doing a PCB Normal run for lulz after like a month of not playing a Touhou game.
It was my closest try at a 1cc, I died to 30% Reflowering. Angst.
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Dammit that Byakuren pisses me off. 70+ runs. Still no goddamn progress on anything!
At least playing this game made me realize something...
EoSD, PCB, IN, MoF, SA. They are not the least bit difficult. Not even on Lunatic. They are trivial little kiddie games compared to UFO.
Good Omen, Devil's Recitation, LFO. What the heck is up with those?
EDIT:
That was total bullshit Ichirin. There was no way to avoid that fist. I was trapped by the lasers! Sigh...
Damn it ZUN, i can easily see what you were going for with this game. All the patterns have great potential but the ease with which you can get screwed over just make it too frustrating.
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It suddenly feels like your opinion of UFO's patterns is changing.
Not that I have anything gameplay related to despair about, but my newly uploaded video (See for shameless promotion) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjNMZHQpoic) has an audio desync.
D:
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Why wouldn't it count? MarisaC doesn't trivialize the stage at all, you still do the same thing as you would with ReimuB.
If anything it counts more because you did it with a bigger hitbox.
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Because the stage suddenly involves ten times less streaming, and Sanae's spellcards take five less seconds each, and...
and lul +1pixeldiameter again. The only thing I would consider it being just impossible is the midboss spell, and hence why it gets misdirected.
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EoSD, PCB, IN, MoF, SA. They are not the least bit difficult. Not even on Lunatic. They are trivial little kiddie games compared to UFO.
Fuckin' right. Welcome to a man game.
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But they can all be man game if you play for score.
Too bad I suck at point blanking, so EoSD is out, I still derpfest IN and has to be 1LC for good score(I think), MoF has to be 1LC, and I can't survive a credit of SA if I suicide for graze. So I'm stuck playing for survival.
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But they can all be man game if you play for score.
You know too much.
Too bad I suck at point blanking, so EoSD is out, I still derpfest IN and has to be 1LC for good score(I think), MoF has to be 1LC, and I can't survive a credit of SA if I suicide for graze. So I'm stuck playing for survival.
With that attitude you're gonna get nowhere fast, brah.
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Scorerunning UFO is amazingly confusing.
Not just because the danmaku is hard, but because UFOS EVERYWHERE WHAT DO I DO
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VoWG lunatic
currently at 4/87
I always make ONE mistake somewhere, it's so annoying.
Also, somehow when I micrododge, I often go through the blue or teal wave,
and then get slammed by red/green waves soon after... :ohdear:
What would be a good balance between macro and micrododge?
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Always prefer Macrododge if it can safely be done. Micrododge only if you can't safely do a macrododge.
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So I got around to recording my MoF Lunatic 1cc.
oh god I died twice to Hina and to Yasaka's Divine Wind as it was exploding.
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Fuckin' right. Welcome to a man game.
I didn't expect that response... but at least it seems we agree on that.
I just gotta toughen up and become more manly.
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LFO. 7 captures. 70 attempts. Really fucking annoying.
The first part of it is pretty trivial but then the final phase comes and for the 10-20 seconds it lasts it usually manages to kill me anywhere from 1 to 4 times. Or more.
Damn this, i wanna kill asians now.
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It's still easier than Meister or Gensokyo though. At least you know what angles the bullets are likely to come from rather than reading and dodging 6 within a couple of seconds.
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Yeah. They are likely to come from every direction except from from below and the gaps are miniscule. Scarlet Gensokyo is indeed comparible to LFO as far as dfficulty is concerned. The tough final spellcards.
Much harder than the more simple and straight forward spells 80% Reflowering, Astronomical Entombing, VoWG and Subterranean Sun.
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It's funny because UFO is the first game I 1CC'd.
SA-Full Speed YEAHHH
Okay! I'm showing off! I get to Stage 2! Parsee shows up! Captured her annoying Midboss card! She shows up again! THREE BOMBS AND THREE DEATHS UNTIL GAME OVER
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I tried EoSD lunatic.
Stage 1 : OK
Stage 2 : Cirno opener bombed twice.
Stage 3 : I'm staring to get luck !
Stage 4 : OMGOMGOMG PANIC BOMBING ON AIMED STUFF BOOKSBOOKSBOOKSBOOKS HEY THERE PATCHY HAAAAAAAA
*continue*
Yes
No
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It's funny because UFO is the first game I 1CC'd.
I don't think its that much harder than the rest of the series on anything below Lunatic. Some people do say though that UFO Hard is harder than EoSD Lunatic but i say that's a lie. (Or someone who is really good at EoSD)
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UFO Hard took more effort to 1cc for me than IN or MoF Lunatic because there aren't any broken shot types (ie: Netherworld Team/MarisaC)
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I can't find mp3s for the music from the fan-made UFO Phantasm after about 15 google searches, and the web link posted on the Youtube video is down.
boooooooooooooooo
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Fuckin' right. Welcome to a man game.
I have my manly game needs covered already (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B212KPSzJc)
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I don't think its that much harder than the rest of the series on anything below Lunatic. Some people do say though that UFO Hard is harder than EoSD Lunatic but i say that's a lie. (Or someone who is really good at EoSD)
EoSD lunatic is probably quite a bit harder,
but imo it has some (relatively) easy stage 1-3 compared to UFO.
LFS is quite a bit different from Scarlet Gensokyo in that... it only gets super hard near the end,
while Scarlet Gensokyo is hard from the beginning.
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So I randomly decide to pick up Megamari after a few months of not touching it. I throw in the special password that puts you right at Patchy's castle with nothing but the broom. I've only beaten Yukari this way once before, and that only by using the mush tank from earlier in the level. Surprisingly, though, I get past her on my first try, and without using the tank. I even beat Shiki (my brick wall from the other time I beat Yukari) on a single credit.
I'm feeling pretty good about myself. Then I hit the boss gauntlet. Oh god, the boss gauntlet. I threw about 6 or 7 continues at it before giving up, never beating more that two of them. Even the easy ones like Reisen and Cirno thrashed me more often than not. Never have I felt more like a talentless hack than I do right now. :(
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UFO Hard took more effort to 1cc for me than IN or MoF Lunatic because there aren't any broken shot types (ie: Netherworld Team/MarisaC)
Might that have some connection to how MoF allows bomb-spamming and IN give you that many lives and bombs. Add to that, that all the stages are incredibly easy. Those two fairies at the beginning of 6B is really the only hard stage portion in IN. And Reisen and Keine barely puts up a fight. So UFO Hard is probably harder than those two lunatics yes.
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Those two fairies at the beginning of 6B is really the only hard stage portion in IN.
I never thought about it before, but yeah, that's the only part of IN that's an autobomb for me. (And I did 1cc IN Lunatic before UFO Hard, so :V)
(edit: I got IN Lunatic before EoSD Hard and PCB Hard, so I guess the order doesn't really say anything)
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LFO. 7 captures. 70 attempts. Really fucking annoying.
The first part of it is pretty trivial but then the final phase comes and for the 10-20 seconds it lasts it usually manages to kill me anywhere from 1 to 4 times. Or more.
Just out of curiosity, what shottype are you using for these?
Those two fairies at the beginning of 6B is really the only hard stage portion in IN.
I seem to recall you can safespot these. Don't remember how though. :<
That was total bullshit Ichirin. There was no way to avoid that fist. I was trapped by the lasers! Sigh...
Well yeah, you're supposed to misdirect the fists.
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It's the stage part of stage 3 that gets me.
Ichirin just has King Kraken Strike which is annoying due to the fists being the same color as the bullets and hook combo. The rest of that fight is pretty simple.
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Just out of curiosity, what shottype are you using for these?
ReimuA.
I seem to recall you can safespot these. Don't remember how though. :<
I found a way to somewhat reliably dodge them long time ago but i forget it too.
Well yeah, you're supposed to misdirect the fists.
Yeah i know that. What happened was that the lasers trapped me about the middle part of the screen as i was trying to misdirect the fists.
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IN Stage 6 opener is just streaming. You stream one way then stream the other.
It works for everyone but Magic Team, though you have to place familiars with Remilia for Scarlet Team.
As for Magic Team and several of the solos, you can still do that, but since you can't kill one of them, you then have to do some extremely easy dodging.
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IN Stage 6 opener is just streaming. You stream one way then stream the other.
Demonstration or you're lying. ;)
There doesn't seem to be anything aimed about this pattern (could be wrong) so i wouldn't call it streaming in any case.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66azQzpOhaY
Looks like streaming to me. For the teams that can't kill the other one, you do have to do some dodging.
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Looks like a memorized route to me.
Or maybe i'm just interpreting streaming wrong but isn't it supposed to be the art of minimizing the threat of a rapid barrage of aimed bullets by "streaming" them slowly from one side to another?
EDIT: Now with Touhou Wiki quote.
"Streaming, or herding, is the basic principle of controlling bullets in danmaku shooters. The majority of the enemy shots are aimed directly at you, so by standing still, you're effectively luring the enemies to shoot at the spot you're in. To take advantage of this, move as little as possible so that you can gather all aimed bullets in one tight stream slowly following you from one side. This way, you can dodge most of the incoming bullet bursts with just a small tap away from the stream, giving yourself more freedom to move in case of emergency.
To change the direction of the herd, do a quick move away from the stream (called "jerk" or "cutback") to make an opening, wait a bit to let the enemies readjust their aim to your new location, then proceed streaming to the opposite direction. It is advised to make cutbacks perpendicular to the stream source to increase the size of the opening (i.e., if the majority of the bullets are shot from the center of the screen, and you're streaming from left to right, cutback diagonally towards the top-right corner of the screen). If you're doing it right, the opening will be large enough to let you go through, no matter how dense the bullet stream is.
The more experienced you get, the more calm and confident you become about the streams and going through openings. As such, the technique becomes the key to evading most aimed attacks; danmaku shooters developed by Cave popularised the U-shaped movement pattern based entirely around streaming and doing cutbacks at the edges of the screen to be able to survive the bullet onslaught during the stages.
Streaming is commonly used when moving left or right, although purely vertical streaming does exist. Some cards where streaming is essential include Sakuya's, Yuyuko's, and Kaguya's.
This technique is the key to getting many graze points from any streamable attack. "
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ReimuA.
Yeah that's what I thought. LFO will throw a really hard wave at you if you continuously shoot as ReimuA.
The trick to trivialise it is to stop shooting for a second when the first purple wave is fired and resume when she shoots the second wave.
This way there will be no overlap between purple and red.
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IN Stage 6 opener is just streaming. You stream one way then stream the other.
I'm pretty sure this is static. I played it a bunch of times to make sure, and I don't see anything that looks like it's specifically aimed at you.
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Yeah that's what I thought. LFO will throw a really hard wave at you if you continuously shoot as ReimuA.
The trick to trivialise it is to stop shooting for a second when the first purple wave is fired and resume when she shoots the second wave.
This way there will be no overlap between purple and red.
Hmm... i will take note of that, thank you.
I'm pretty sure this is static. I played it a bunch of times to make sure, and I don't see anything that looks like it's specifically aimed at you.
In other words, something you pretty much have to memorize. Its not a problem for me though. Its not a bomb that i won't exactly miss in the other end. :)
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The trick to trivialise it is to stop shooting for a second when the first purple wave is fired and resume when she shoots the second wave.
Works for Marisa A too.
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Alright. I'm pretty sure i understand but what's happening is that ReimuA, and MarisaA apparently, kills LFO so fast that the card proceeds to its final phase ahead of schedule while already in the middle of an attack and you don't want that to happen so you wait for the second purple ring and start firing again.
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Hey, wait, I captured the 6B Stage Opener on my first (Second?) try ever seeing it.
Proof. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfadzGEq90)
Use more Netherworld Team.
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PCB Extra one death (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10450). The really annoying part is that the one death comes from running into an enemy during the stage portion.
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UFO. That is all.
Okay, so Stage 4 escapes my wrath tonight, but whatever.
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I knew I could do it! I knew I, on a random UFO extra run, could perfect Nue until the final phase of Grudge Bow, where I then die a few seconds from the end!
:dragonforce:
*Gives Nue an "Almost Perfect, But Not Quite" club membership card*
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DS Scene 9-7 is utterly impossible. It can't be done. I know it's been done, but all the same, it can't be done. :V
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DS Scene 9-7 is utterly impossible. It can't be done. I know it's been done, but all the same, it can't be done. :V
Its fucking annoying yes. You just gotta push on.
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I seem to recall you can safespot these. Don't remember how though. :<
From the starting position, move to the very bottom of the screen and microtap twice to the right.
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Just failed Yuyuko's first spell 5 times in a row, and also suddenly lost the ability to dodge her GOAST KNIFES.
Seriously what's happening?
Also, how come I can't capture 80% Reflowering when I've capped SFN many times already?
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Decided to try out some PoD.D with Kana.
I was doing pretty okay for my first serious try on Normal.
Then I hit stage 7. What the hell, Ellen.
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From the starting position, move to the very bottom of the screen and microtap twice to the right.
you can do the same on 6A but with two taps to the left instead
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Dying at the last phase of Subterranean Rose with bombs in stock D:
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Dying at the last phase of Subterranean Rose with bombs in stock D:
OH MY GOD, THIS.
I completely SUCK at Subterranean Rose. To beat stupid Koishi, I had to time SR out. Marisa C, 4 lives, full power. I barely managed to beat it when I had no lives with no more bombs.....
I tried it again with Raymoo A... then I decided to not time it out and I got raped by her. :V
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Subterranean Rose.
It's not that hard, is it? Pay attention to the gaps in 1st and 3rd waves, and unfocus move up to slip through asap.
Last phase is quite hard, though, like I can't move up 5 waves in those small gaps and always die somehow.
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(http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/12/80/32/92/th/untitl51.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=842&u=12803292)
This isn't actually a clear
. See: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10473
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OH MY GOD, THIS.
I completely SUCK at Subterranean Rose. To beat stupid Koishi, I had to time SR out. Marisa C, 4 lives, full power. I barely managed to beat it when I had no lives with no more bombs.....
I tried it again with Raymoo A... then I decided to not time it out and I got raped by her. :V
Thanks for the idea, got me my first extra clear just now. I'm pretty happy even if it's cheesy to time SR out.
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Am I the only one who finds Subterranean Rose not that hard? I captured it the first time I saw it, with ReimuA. :v
(Maybe it helped that I saw the DS version first.)
(http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/12/80/32/92/th/untitl51.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=842&u=12803292)
This isn't actually a clear
. See: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10473
wtf
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Argh. You wouldn't think so, but relearning stages is surprisingly hard.
I have to say, I'm appreciating MoF more and more the more I try to play for score. There's a whole new layer of depth that I can't help but admire.
Oh and my VoWG performance is hilariously bad at the moment. :V
Am I the only one who finds Subterranean Rose not that hard?
Never found it hard because I always followed Yoslime's advice. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvzZvFLvMgU#t=3m38s)
EDIT:
Hell yeah failing stuff like Kanako's first spellcard three times in a row and Sanae's last as well.
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I would love to see a timeout of Subterranean Rose that actually goes through the phases.
That card kicks my ass, though admittedly I didn't even play the stage any after my clear.
Also, I haven't played Touhou for weeks and will start again in the latter half of the week. How much will I suck?
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I would love to see a timeout of Subterranean Rose that actually goes through the phases.
1DNB first try. That was my absolute dumbest death ever.
The hard part is not getting red and blue mixed up for such a long time and keeping cool. The bullets are very slow.
EDIT:
Done. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,6619.msg454201.html#msg454201) Take it or leave it.
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(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5286/picture11bd.th.png) (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/picture11bd.png/)
Alice is full of stupidity.
I mean wtf.
I die when this spell starts D:
(http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/12/80/32/92/th/untitl51.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=842&u=12803292)
This isn't actually a clear
. See: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=10473
wut.
RAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE
In other news, could someone send me a th12.8 score.dat (with extra unlocked)
My mac port refuses to save 1ccs :P
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I was playing SA and was feeling pretty good about it. Then I died three times on Parsee's final spell card. Then game overed on the first wave of fairies after mid-boss Yuugi.
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Oww. Just did a random Final B run here at school, fell just short of a second perfect of Kaguya, running a bullet on Life Spring Infinity. Better yet, I captured four of her five last spells (guess which one I failed :V). Ah well, I've perfected her once, don't need to do it again.
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How do I capture dark stillness?
I mean, it's is so impossible to dodge! Grrr! Dx<
(Fairy wars, Route B2, Hard mode, by the way)
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Extra in PoFV versus Sakuya. I have no idea what happened. Shot Chance came up and then she used her level three skill, then she did again, then she used her level 2 skill. There were a butt load of knives on one side of me and another set above me. I died.
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Guys, why is this so hard? Why am I dying? ITS FUCKING SCENE2 and (ry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz1ePIj6tP0)
(i cleared it later. 30 pictures FFFFFF)
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Speaking of Shoot the Bullet Kags gives me the middle finger. (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/AKA_Gluttony/StBKags.jpg)
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I suck tonight. I just suck so damn badly tonight.
:(
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Am I the only one who finds Subterranean Rose not that hard? I captured it the first time I saw it, with ReimuA. :v
(Maybe it helped that I saw the DS version first.)
wtf
Subterranean Rose? Hard? Nope. Its QED, Grudge Bow and BoLaD that are the hard ones.
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Speaking of Shoot the Bullet Kags gives me the middle finger. (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k273/AKA_Gluttony/StBKags.jpg)
There are many gaps :V
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There are many gaps :V
Agreed. That isn't a wall. You can call it a middle finger when she throwns an incredibly dense formation of bullets on top of something like that. Not before.
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Dammit.
Any time I die or bomb on VoWG, I immediately have to die/bomb at least two more times before the card ends.
It's always at around 25% health too. :fail:
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BoLaD
Not if you happen to activate the safespot :V
There are many gaps :V
Yeah, since it's like the first picture. If it happened in like 5th or 6th picture though...
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Not if you happen to activate the safespot :V
Safespots are for pussies who can't dodge! (Or for grazing) :)
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Safespots are for pussies who can't dodge! (Or for grazing) :)
It's pretty great for Three Fairies, though, when you can get 200% motivation just for shooting the ally fairies and ubergrazing and freezing.
Instantly getting 60% is cool.
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It's pretty great for Three Fairies, though, when you can get 200% motivation just for shooting the ally fairies and ubergrazing and freezing.
Instantly getting 60% is cool.
Wait what.
Explain.
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Video speaks for itself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsR6JYjIaAA)
I'm always discovering these scoring tricks and whatnot. VoWG (and MarisaC in general, really), Double Black Death Butterfly...
Seriously, though, the motivation increases by at least ~10% with every freeze.
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What the hell ZUN? You are not fair sometimes.
Bright Star "Orion Belt": How am supposed to Gold medal that?
Light Sign "Triple Meteor": I got close to capping this but then stuff happened. Upon further tries i find the card putting bullets where i need to go through. I can see how this can be done though but its still annoying how bullets sometimes spawn in ways that you simply can't do anything about.
Or at least I can't do anything about. But its Normal mode. How will the Lunatic version look like? Hell, that can be said about almost any card in that game.
Light Sign "Triple Meteor: This thing walled me off. Sucks.
Rainbow Light "Prism Flash": I still don't know how i'm supposed to Gold medal this. If you stand the wrong place, you're screwed.
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Anatomy of an EoSD stage 4 practice run:
1. Capture the books
2. Die to Koakuma
3. ???
4. .... restart
....
10. Wonder if you're going crazy when you think Sylphae Horn is harder than Sylphae Horn High Level.
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I can't believe I'm failing to get IN Stage 5 perfect, after almost 2 hours. I've done it in a full run before; why can't I do it in practice mode? :(
Illusion Seeker is annoying.
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Dammit I keep losing damage races. You know, when you're shooting bosses right at the end of their health bar and die just before you reach the end of it.
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Wonder if you're going crazy when you think Sylphae Horn is harder than Sylphae Horn High Level.
rank shenanigans
less bullets, faster speed vs more bullets, slower speed
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rank shenanigans
less bullets, faster speed vs more bullets, slower speed
lol mercury poison
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What the hell ZUN? You are not fair sometimes.
Bright Star "Orion Belt": How am supposed to Gold medal that?
Light Sign "Triple Meteor": I got close to capping this but then stuff happened. Upon further tries i find the card putting bullets where i need to go through. I can see how this can be done though but its still annoying how bullets sometimes spawn in ways that you simply can't do anything about.
Or at least I can't do anything about. But its Normal mode. How will the Lunatic version look like? Hell, that can be said about almost any card in that game.
Light Sign "Triple Meteor: This thing walled me off. Sucks.
Rainbow Light "Prism Flash": I still don't know how i'm supposed to Gold medal this. If you stand the wrong place, you're screwed.
Fair
Gold medals
Ha ha ha.
Oh, and playing IN stage 5 for the first time in months, perfected Tewi and the stage, lost to Lunatic Gaze (second spell card). :<
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I JUST FAILED IMPERISHABLE SHOOTING AT ZERO SECONDS.
*aims pistol at head*
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SA. Mega Flare. No visable health left in gauge. Get hit just before the card is capped. Rage at losing last life.
You have now mimiced what I went through the other day ;-;
> To Keine, Maribel and Iku: Shank Parsee before she shanks you in about 2-3 posts
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(http://i51.tinypic.com/11ugvx3.jpg)
fucking fuck
I was on a roll.
Capture Web- 2/2
Filled Miasma- 1/1
Green Eyed Monster- 1/1
Jealous of the Kind and Lovely- 1/1
Hate for the Humble and Rich- 1/1
Unnatural Phenomenon- 1/1
Hell's Wheel of Pain- 1/1
Storm on Mt. Ooe- 1/1
Knock Out in Three Steps- 1/1
Terrible Souvenir- 1/1
Mercury Poison- 1/1
Princess Undine- 1/1
Philosopher's Stone- 1/1
I'd tell Orin to go to hell but she's already there :/
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yay 1000 posts