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I'll update this post with friend codes as people begin playing.
commandercool: 2964-8587-9806
Original post spoilered for irrelevance.
Somebody should probably start a thread about this. The release dates and starters are revealed.
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/f/ff/Rowlet.png)
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/6e/Litten.png)
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/41/Popplio.png)
Which one do you like? I want to hug that owl so fucking bad. Nobody I know seems to like the seal clown dog thing, but that cat's got a few fans.
I honestly really didn't like ORAS, without tons of new content the pathetic difficulty didn't really keep me engaged and I just gave up. Doesn't help the I'm not a huge generation three fan I'm sure, but I loved generation six (and even almost all of generation five) so I have high hopes for this one. All of the new and returning features that are semi-confirmed seem cool. I think trainer customization is a thing again? Hopefully we get more clothing and hair options for men. I want my long-haired male trainer dammit!
Please post official reveals here as they surface. I keep almost getting duped by hoaxes, so that should keep things easier to keep track of.
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Rowlet master race
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it's a sea dog
plz gimme
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As soon as these starters were reveal, my friends went all-out campaigning and such on facebook, twitter, etc, on which ones they'll pick. It was funny as hell to see. Rowlet's definitely the popular one (I call it Kotori bird after seeing a crossover picture of Rowlet and Kotori), but Litten's up there too. Other than my friends, it seems like Popplio is the underdog.
Though, I'd love to see the reactions once the evolutions are revealed :3
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GIVE ME THE BIRB
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I was really excited about the island theme in the trailer since I've been awhile from home, couple years ~ hawaiiiii.
So why the heck is there a polar seal thing?
Unless it's a monk seal or something.
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I really don't know if i'm going to pick Rowlet or Litten, i like both of them. I feel like their evolutions will be dicisive for me, I'm pretty sure Litten is going to be a fire/poison type because of the symbol on his head, its the same as the alquemical symbol for sulfur.
Speaking of evolutions Mokurow might actually be real and i would bet its Rowlet's first evolution.
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Anyways what do you guys think of Legendaries, Solgaleo and Lunaala?
At first i didn't really like Lunaala but her design kinda grew on me
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Solgaleo really has a magestic look doesn't he?
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If you rotate the simbols on the logo you get Solgaleo's face and Lunaala's body which i find really cool.
It looks like Alooha is going to have plenty of Water pokemon which might mean lots of surf like Hoenn, this probably means that there is going to be a water gym leader or elite 4.
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The lion looks dumb. Leaning toward Moon simply for that reason.
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I really really like Rowlet, but at the same time I want to go for Popplio because of the fact I always go with the water starter. ;-;
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The lion looks dumb. Leaning toward Moon simply for that reason.
Whaaat? Liongendary is one of the best newmon designs I've seen in years. Moon clown, on the other hand...
Anyway. Litten is namelocked. Orin every time if female.
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I'm not going for a starter until I know the final forms.
You're stuck with the basics for 11 levels in most cases; the middles for 20 and the remaining 64 are the final. Unless you're Gen 2 or Bulbasaur.
Although if I had to choose Rowlet > Popplio > Litten
Also if Litten winds up a Fire/Fighting type...
Also Rowlet is screwed unless it's a Sceptile [Or physical Sceptile] because pretty much every water gets Ice Beam and Rowlet is x4 weak. In which case; barring a secoondary type on Litten and Popplio that makes a reverse triangle; it'll be a case of Rowlet loses to both; Litten loses to Popplio and Popplio beats both.
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I'm not going for a starter until I know the final forms.
You're stuck with the basics for 11 levels in most cases; the middles for 20 and the remaining 64 are the final. Unless you're Gen 2 or Bulbasaur.
Although if I had to choose Rowlet > Popplio > Litten
Also if Litten winds up a Fire/Fighting type...
Also Rowlet is screwed unless it's a Sceptile [Or physical Sceptile] because pretty much every water gets Ice Beam and Rowlet is x4 weak. In which case; barring a secoondary type on Litten and Popplio that makes a reverse triangle; it'll be a case of Rowlet loses to both; Litten loses to Popplio and Popplio beats both.
My predicted reverse triangle (if there is one):
Litten - Fire/Dark
Rowlet - Grass/Fighting
Popplio - Water/Psychic
I'm not putting any bets on this.
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I'd be so bummed if Popplio was the one to get Psychic because that means I'd be more inclined to pick it despite how much I don't like how it looks :(
Hoping for Grass/Psychic for Rowlet, personally.
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wtb wild igglybuff in pokemon moon
There seriously have never been any wild ones except in DPPt, and only if you got really lucky talking to Mr. Backlot. Yet Cleffa are everywhere.
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Clefairy is best fairy that's why >:D
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Clefairy is best fairy that's why >:D
bruh 1v1 me
(http://i.imgur.com/Gs1D3yK.jpg)
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tell u wat when we both get the games its fukin on
cleffa vs igglybuff
1v1
no items
no sleep attacks cuz that's just lame
final destination
be there.
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Isn't Rowlet a grass/flying type already though?
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tell u wat when we both get the games its fukin on
I'll have to hope my sister gets the games because she owns the 3ds and actually makes money :ohdear:
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Isn't Rowlet a grass/flying type already though?
Could easily have a reverse triangle that involve Flying. Flying -> Ice -> Fighting; for example. Although that would make Litten Fire/Fighting so NOOOOOOO.
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I'm happy to hear that these games aren't New 3DS exclusive. Nothing I care about has been yet, which is great.
tell u wat when we both get the games its fukin on
cleffa vs igglybuff
1v1
no items
no sleep attacks cuz that's just lame
final destination
be there.
Metronome only. :colbert:
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Isn't Rowlet a grass/flying type already though?
They could change that typing for the evolutions. (Swablu comes to mind, but they swapped Normal for Dragon then. Hmm, could've sworn I had a better example. There are plenty of 'Flying' types that just don't have the typing, like the Lati twins.)
I might be reaching too hard to find precedents though. It probably will be Grass/Flying all the way.
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Gotta wait for the evos for a definite decision but for now is a fight between the owl and the cat....
And BT is right, if female 100% ORIN
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lmao too bad the bird isn't any greener and i'd crack a joke about how Chireiden's been letting their animals loose
haven't been into pokemon as much i was in Gen 4, rowlet and popplio are p. cute actually
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Fresh trailer for Sun Moon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW14HO7C1Dg
Confirmed details:
Region is called Alola and is based on Hawaii
Character customization is back
Endgame legendaries are...
* For Sun, Solgaleo, a Psychic-Steel type with Full Metal Body, which makes it immune to stat lowering effects.
* For Moon, Lunala, a Psychic-Ghost type with Shadow Shield, no idea what that does.
Pokedex Rotom
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Yaaaay character customization. Now give me long hair for boys plz.
Pokedex Rotom sounds super cool. What could it do? Pure electric or electric/ghost typing seem like the only ones that will make sense (maaaaybe electric/steel?) and it will probably have Levitate as an ability. That just leaves moveset to make it special. I'm guessing it will probably get a brand new move, right?
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it does plot likely, a constant companion you can talk with maybe?
I'm interested what kind of changes LITERALLY TALKING TO A POKEMON is going to bring
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Sun Legendary is 2x weak to Fire
Moon Legendary is 4x weak to Dark
A+ design
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* For Moon, Lunala, a Psychic-Ghost type with Shadow Shield, no idea what that does.
Apparently it "Lowers damage taken from damage-dealing moves when at maximum HP."
This basically sounds like a weaker Focus Sash...
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Apparently it "Lowers damage taken from damage-dealing moves when at maximum HP."
This basically sounds like a weaker Focus Sash...
Considering Sun Legend's ability is literally Clear Body...
Also Sun Legend is a glorified Metagross in typing. It even basically has the same ability. Not impressed. I will be even less impressed if it's a physical attacker. But let's face it, out of the two box legends which one would YOU bet on being physical?
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ROTOMDEX made my day and I'm loving it atm. You have a Rotom in your Pokedex!
Psychic / Steel for sun lion is dumb, but not dumber than naming his special attack Sunsteel Strike.
Apparently it "Lowers damage taken from damage-dealing moves when at maximum HP."
This basically sounds like a weaker Focus Sash...
Nuh-uh, it sounds like Multiscale, Dragonite's Dream World ability.
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Seems pretty clearly better than a Focus Sash considering OHKO setups can often be pretty precise and this would screw those up regardless, then leaving you with anything >1HP lets you not die against hazards, and most obviously it still helps if you get hit by anything other than an OHKO...
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Yeah, that's just Multiscale. Multiscale is a good ability. That makes this a good ability too. It's more or less a better Sturdy, because if something does hit you very hard you'll be left well above one HP, unlike Sturdy most of the time. Although it is technically possible to one-shot a Multiscale user anyway.
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Multiscale is good but a 4x weakness to Dark when half the metagame packs SUCKER PUNCH is hilariously dumb :V
Btw, someone calculated that Solgaleo is probably sporting around 150 base HP stat.....
One good point of them is that apparently their signature moves have Mold Breaker-effects built in.
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Substitute is the classic Sucker Punch workaround, although it would be shitty to have to break your own Multiscale to go for it. Knock Off seems like the worse threat, although at least there's Colburr Berry for that..?
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It seems like they're psychic because that's a general theme of psychic types, they are from outer space or have some sort of connection to space.
Also Solgaleo who is the Steel/Psychic type is inspired by "the beast who devours the sun", because the lion who eats the sun is an alchemical symbol for the purification of metals.
Lunala's weak to dark because of its description, which basically says it sucks the light out of everything around it, and it looks like a lovely crescent moon.
Dark obscures the light of the moon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDTKAX-UcQs
I for one welcome our new Zygarde overlords.
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so zygarde became a pupper and a fucking super robot
alright
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CoroCoro also had two new pokemon shown. (http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon.shtml)
The koala pokemon is giving me some sleepy vibes, like a certain other group of pokemon. moar yawn pls.
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So many options for an all pupper team
Puppermon
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So many options for an all pupper team
Puppermon
Growlithe Houndour Poochyena Lillipup Furfrou Zygarde 10% OFF who am I missing
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Depends on how you view the legendary beasts. Are the dogs? They might be. Also Snubbul I guess?
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Iwanko, the rock pupper!
Also I had no idea Magearna was a thing. Steel and fairy types sound like a perfect match for me~
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Guys! Guys! Bad news! (https://tapastic.com/episode/353584)
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Multiscale is good but a 4x weakness to Dark when half the metagame packs SUCKER PUNCH is hilariously dumb :V
Sucker Punch's distribution is actually quite low and predictable. Knock Off is much more an "everywhere and more" sort of move. Compounding to that is how dangerous Pursuit is.
I would like the bat to be as fast as Crobat since the typing is really stopping it from coming close to Lugia. Bats are cool though.
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New Japanese trailer appeared (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTt65qAkR84)
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Nice, several new Pokemon at once. I'll try to split up my thoughts here.
- If I'm interpreting it right, the first mon's ability is basically an auto-Electric Terrain. If so, that's pretty interesting since terrain moves didn't seem that useful in Gen 6.
- I'm totally calling the nickname "Boxbug" for the second mon. :V
- And am I the only one who thinks Boxbug's evolution is way too similar to the name Kuwagamon from Digimon?
- That new dragon Jijiiron's ability can be translated as "Frenzy". I'm guessing it raises its Attack when hit by a super-effective move? I only wonder if it has the defenses to pull it off though. Normal/Dragon doesn't seem that spectacular, despite being brand-new.
- That sure is one fabulous fish lol.
- Another new type combination: Aburii is the first Bug/Fairy type in existence.
- Looks like we have this gen's Pikachu clone in Togedemaru, but it's Electric/Steel? That's certainly a change of pace. And it apparently has Lightning Rod.
- We now have confirmation on when Zygarde enters its Perfect Forme: 50% HP, just like with Darmanitan's Zen Mode. Here's hoping nothing else ends up crippling it after transforming, aside from the lack of health. Oh, and the text before transforming is something like "I sense something..." Like the planet doesn't want Zygarde to die lol.
EDIT: More info on the English names of everything is already on Serebii (http://serebii.net/news/2016/30-June-2016.shtml).
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Am I the only one consistently disappointed that all the trailers use music that is severely compressed and clearly meant for in-game audio rather than using the originals?
This actually distracted me so long that I completely missed the first pokemon
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W-Why are they so ugly?
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TapuKoko looks fuckin sick I don't know what you taking bout
New Pikachu is cute too
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They all look good to me, except for the fish. And I'm pretty sure the fish isn't supposed to look good.
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The fish is basically luvdisc 3.0
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Tapu Koko Totem Thing looks good conceptually but doesn't actually? I don't know. The yellow shield is its only good feature. The only one of these I really like is Boxbug but that's just because he's funny looking. Even the Pikachu clone is just a ball with spikes along with the trademark white-face-yellow-cheeks combo. BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
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I really like Cutiefly and the new Pikachu. They're so cute! :D
Everything else doesn't interest me much, though. :ohdear:
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i fucking love everything about the doofy child-loving dragon
i want
twelve
for each of my children i'm now adopting specifically for the dragons to guard
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3jjynIAJ20
This is a pretty exciting video.
Just everything in it.
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Ice Vulpix tho.
gumshoos
What the fuck
INFERNO OVERDRIVE
:getdown:
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Seems like they're stepping away from gyms in this game. It should prove to be pretty interesting considering all the new things they're doing.
Also, oh my god exeggutor what happened to you?
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Alright, finally at my desk to check this shit out.
-Oh dang Exeggutor looks cool. Dragon type is weird, but whatevs.
-AAAAAAW I WANT TO HUG THAT VULPIX SO BAAAAD! Amazing.
-Igloo Sandshrew looks kind of dumb TBH, but icicle Sandslash is fine.
-Some Oricorios look cool, some look ridiculous. I like.
-Minior is cool as shit. At first I wasn't that into it, but then it transformed. Those eyes~.
-Lol Gumshoos WTF even. What a smooth motherfucker.
-Fomantis looks not dissimilar to the Leavany line.
-Mudbray is kind of goofy. Prefer it to its evolution.
-All of the captains seem cool.
-Aw dang, legit boss fights against wild Pokemon! I've been waiting for this forever! I hope they carry pver the totem mechanic to legendaries too.
-So does four captains and presumably four kahunas replace gyms? Or four captains and four totems replace gyms and the kahunas replace the elite four?
-I wonder if Z-moves still take up a move slot? Lol Bloom Doom. This could be tricky for competitive battling.
Yup, pretty excited. Pretty good.
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inb4 z-moves get blocked by protect
I'm interested in the dancer bird in doubles. Will it be able to copy a partner's Quiver/Sword/Dragon Dance?
If it's fast enough on its own, you could swap it into a setup sweeper and wreck it like an Imposter ditto would, I guess. Four different type possibilities means ~options~, especially with fire and electric.
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inb4 z-moves get blocked by protect
Actually that would be awesome. It would make Protect a lot more useful than 'I am Toxicstalling'. Also they effect the whole battlefield so in multibattles [Doubles/Triples] you'd probobly NEED to run Protect.
Also Apparently there's some 20 year old art with someone who's popped up today in it... (http://i.imgur.com/vSGaDZX.jpg)
That is the girl outside Mt.Moon talking about Muuna levels of what.
Also I for one am happy to see pokemon adapting to different environments; and hope they do it for the inevitabl;e Sinnoh remakes if they're going down the Diamond/Pearl remake route instead of remaking Platinum to fix the godawful D/P pokedex.
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ICE FAIRY NINETALES :*
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crawling in my skin
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/7/74/103Exeggutor-Alola.png/600px-103Exeggutor-Alola.png)
these wounds will never heal
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Perhaps mankind was not meant to pet this much
https://twitter.com/hayama_syoko/status/760112259620155393 (https://twitter.com/hayama_syoko/status/760112259620155393)
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GOOD: no gyms
UHM: totem bosses
Bosses always had Pokemon and teams that you could get yourself given the time and trading. I don't know about the totems. But a lot of this is rad cool.
Waiting for the Gumshoe crossovers.
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Looks like HMs are being replaced by the Pokemon mounts too, so lots of interesting format changes this time
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let the dream be true
let me Fly on wings of fat
(http://49.media.tumblr.com/f2503887b3327c6c1333e6270611d547/tumblr_mihzo4RV6n1s3rghso3_500.gif)
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Wow, so many changes! I like the idea of changing up how boss battles work throughout the game (wild Pokemon bosses that aren't legendaries? Yes please). Not that I hate Gyms or anything, but after 20 years of the same formula, it's about time things got shuffled up a bit. It actually feels like Pokemon is taking a few cues from more traditional RPGs in that regard. Hell, they're even doing the equivalent of palette swaps with some of these new Alola Formes lol. I've been waiting since Gen 4 for an Ice/Steel type, though it remains to be seen if the Alola Formes get different stats to make them relevant in the context of Gen 7. Also glad to see the mystery of that 5th move slot solved. They say there's a Z-move for every type, but is there one for every Pokemon as well, or just certain key ones, like how the Pledge moves and Hyper Beam clones were only for the starters? Overall I'm really liking the direction these new games seem to be going in, especially as a veteran.
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I might actually get back into the series with these. I'll have to keep an eye on this. They're not New 3DS only or something, are they?
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From other sources, there will be one Z-move for every type, requiring the Pok?mon to hold the corresponding crystal and have a move with the corresponding type. Reminiscent of the special type contest moves.
If this crystal is actually a held item, this eliminates my concern that the move could be used to break down a potential check with mo downside. The activation condition still is a mystery - if it's a held item then megas can't use a Z-move.
The abilities on these new form releases are also disappointing.
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Oh yeah, if this is a held item then it's going to have to be completely amazing for it to be a problem competitively. Which I'm okay with frankly. If Z-moves are just huge damage then I can't see them being worth an item slot most of the time. They're basically just replacement gems at that point. Gems were great in doubles and niche in singles, so Z-crystals would basically just be gems that are limited to one per team (possibly with additional restrictions? Can you only use a Z-move that matches your type, or can a water type use Z-ice if it knows Ice Beam?).
If they have additional effects though I guess I could see them getting silly. They've got the potential for stuff like guaranteed burn/paralyze/flinch/maybe even freeze, stat boosts on hit, healing etc., which could make them actually different from each-other rather than just being different types for the same big damage cannon.
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ICE FAIRY NINETALES :*
I will be upset if regular Ninetales doesn't get Fairy second type.
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words words words all that matters is
ICE VULPIX
MY FAVORITE POKEMON SINCE FOREVER
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words words words all that matters is
ICE VULPIX
MY FAVORITE POKEMON SINCE FOREVER
:* :* :*
Vulpix has ways been hovering just around my top ten, but this isn't fair. What can compete with TWO Vulipixes? Not much. I think this may have rocketed it up to like, second place.
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Pokemon can use any Z-move as long as they have a move of the corresponding type, the example given is Pikachu with Grass Knot.
It's rumoured they might be not continuing with megas, but I think that would be quite strange to drop that all of a sudden, not to mention I wanted a few gen 5/6 megas.
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Pokemon can use any Z-move as long as they have a move of the corresponding type, the example given is Pikachu with Grass Knot.
It's rumoured they might be not continuing with megas, but I think that would be quite strange to drop that all of a sudden, not to mention I wanted a few gen 5/6 megas.
If that's the case, that opens up a lot of possibilities for Z-moves to be used as coverage. They could essentially be like a stronger replacement for Hidden Power, assuming they match the offensive stat that Pokemon is using. I imagine this also applies to status moves, so mons that don't get many strong moves for a certain type could get a Z-move this way to fill that hole. One example I thought of is Pokemon that can learn Sandstorm/Hail but don't get strong moves of those types like Rock Slide or Ice Beam. I certainly think there could be enough merit to using Z-moves in place of some other held items for this reason, though we'll have to see what each Z-move does first.
And this would be the first I've heard of them possibly dropping Mega Evolutions. I agree that this does feel a little quick if it's true, but I was never the biggest fan of them to begin with (mostly because of how they just perpetuated the series' massive power creep), so I wouldn't mind too much. We'll see, I guess.
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What can compete with TWO Vulipixes?
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/d/d7/PinRSani174.png)(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/d/d7/PinRSani174.png)
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Watched a newer Japanese teaser. There's Battle Royales :3
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Corocoro reveals happened. This is kinda a thread about spoilers but I'll spoiler tag stuff anyway:
Aloan Marowak; which was strongly hinted at by Gamefreak as being the ace of the Fire type Trial guy; is confirmed. Fire/Ghost.
Dark-type Alolan Mewoth.
I really; really; really hope some non-Gen 1's get Alola forms. Gen 6 Gunwun pandered enough as it is.
New evil team partially revealed. Team Skull. Wait... that sounds familiar... PMD?
Ghost/Ground line based on sandcastles. Seen a lot of hate on them because obligatory inanimate object pokemon hate that conveniently ignores stuff like Magnemite, but I like them because they're... EARTHBOUND Spirits. Get it?
Wimpy-looking fish pokemon revealed. But it's ability apparently makes it call a whole school of it's friends and it turns into GIANT SUBMARINE-LOOKING FISH OF TERROR
Also baby Bewear
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The latest trailer is out (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py2LxgWBaRQ). Most of this info was revealed in the latest CoroCoro release, but strangely, not everything from there is in this trailer, and we even get some brand new info, such as the Grass/Fairy Morelull and Alolan Psychic Raichu. The new Pokemon/Alolan forms aren't quite as exciting as in previous updates imo, though the real highlight of this trailer is arguably meant to be Team Skull. You can always count on Game Freak to make their evil teams visually distinctive lol, though their description on the Pokemon website seems almost stereotypically gang-ish. :/ I'll need to see more of them in action before I can really make any judgment.
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I'll take a gang over genocidal idiots [Flare]; an Omnicidal idiot tricking a load of thugs [Galatic]; or stupid eco-terrorists who almost immediately go WHAT HAVE I DONE when they succeed.
Rocket's weakness was a lack of character and defined goal except 'money' or 'Get Giovanni back'. If Skull is gangsters; like Rocket was; and they actually have a better character than Rocket did and more clearly defined goals, they could be the best villain team ever.
That trailer already makes it look like the Admin is a mother-figure to the lesser grunts and protective of them. Which is cool. She's not a total jerk.
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Psychu best chu
In b4 Aloha Pikachu is just Pikachu wearing a Hawaiian skirt
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Oh god Team Skull are actual thugs. Or rappers or something, it's great. This will either be hilarious or regrettable.
I love Wishiwashi's concept. GET SCHOOLED. Psy-surfing Raichu is also legit.
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All this cool stuff, right? Well, I bet you they aren't ever bringing up the difficulty.
I also bet that they'll story-lock us again.
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All this cool stuff, right? Well, I bet you they aren't ever bringing up the difficulty.
I also bet that they'll story-lock us again.
That last part. What do you mean, the part where they make you complete the story before some areas/things are accessible? Or is there something else I'm missing? Have not played one of these games in years so I could be forgetting something obvious but I'm curious due to the changes rekindling my interest in giving it a shot.
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I'm failing to notice how "story-lock" is necessarily a bad thing-- every game in the series has done that, if I recall.
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Yeah, the story's the main thing I play for anyway so I'm ok with some stuff being stuck behind it.
I just treat it like postgame, anything afterwards.
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I guess I worded that very poorly. I was referencing how,
whenever if they give us a choice in dialogue, it makes no significant difference in the story (e.g. XY's endgame and [i think] B2W2's postgame content). Either way, the other person says more or less the exact same thing, albeit with minor word changes. I just feel it would add to the game a lot more than simply more text. In every game, I feel that they add more and more dialogue, to the point where it's just a huge text-skipping scene. Personally, I feel it would be nice if they gave at least a few dialogue choices, just to keep the longer cutscenes engaging. If they do it well, it would even give the game some more replay value, beyond "let's focus on the details this time around", or "let's Nuzlocke this".
But then, I come from hours and hours of (dynamic) VNs, so maybe I'm just more prone to disliking lack of choices. I play more for the Pokemon than anything else, now.
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I don't know how text heavy the games are now, but I'm assuming it's a bunch of fluff that they're better off dropping in favor of the gameplay, which is the reason people play the main games. Leave the story to kick-ass spin-offs like you used to please Nintendo.
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I don't know how text heavy the games are now, but I'm assuming it's a bunch of fluff that they're better off dropping in favor of the gameplay, which is the reason people play the main games. Leave the story to kick-ass spin-offs like you used to please Nintendo.
X/Y had semi-pointless forced conversations every route or so. They added a lot of this sort of thing to ORAS too.
Probably the most egregious example being on Route 14. Where aside from a random rival battle it's literally all there is between Gym 5 and 6. A completely pointless 'lets go visit a hunted house and hear a story' that means absolutely nothing; has no significance to the lore in any way; shape or form; has no character development; and is never brought up again and is literally nothing but a waste of time.
It's also the primary example of how out of whack the paceing in X/Y is when literally 1/3 of the game is between Gyms 1 and 2 and there's less content between 4 and 6 than that and what content there is is completely pointless fluff.
For crying out loud Gym 1~2 is a 13 level jump. Korrina to Valerie is a 10 level jump. With Clemont and Ramos inbetween! And you get the Lucky Egg just before Ramos too so you even have an XP boost... that's the difference in content between these sections of the game. There's a lot great about X/Y but the paceing is not one of them and I sincerely hope the game's pacing is a lot better in Sun/Moon.
Literally 4 Gyms are crammed into a smaller segment than the gap between Gym 1 and 2.
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X and Y sucked yeah. But Sun and Moon have pancake Raichu, so it's easily 10x better.
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You didn't like X and Y? They're paced insanely sure, but I love them. I thought everyone did. There's a lot of superfluous dialogue, but it's super goofy a lot of the time and is actually pretty entertaining. I loved that pointless haunted house. I could generally give a shit about the story, but the weird fluff tends to be great.
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It was definitely a fun experience the first time, but the story was just so bad. There weren't many new Pokemon too. Coming after a generation with a pretty good story and LOTS of Pokemon hyped it up and that probably is the reason it's not as praised as others.
I still enjoyed it though, I love every Pokemon game. ORAS is probably my fav aside from the original Gen 3.
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X and Y were way too... fillery, if you ask me. Too much length to accomplish too little. Graphically and gameplaywise, it's great, but its story and pacing were painful.
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You didn't like X and Y? They're paced insanely sure, but I love them. I thought everyone did. There's a lot of superfluous dialogue, but it's super goofy a lot of the time and is actually pretty entertaining. I loved that pointless haunted house. I could generally give a shit about the story, but the weird fluff tends to be great.
I wouldn't care about the haunted house if there was something meaningful as well that happened between Gym 5+6.
But there wasn't. Like; couldn't the factory events have been before Valerie so you didn't have 2 Team Flare events between Valerie and Olympia?
X/Y is very good, don't get me wrong. But it also has flaws and the pacing is probobly the biggest one.
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With every new pokemon game I'm in like a constant flux of confusion as to whether I'm having more trouble remembering the mons and the game itself because I'm getting older and stupider with less flexible gray matter or because I'm enjoying the games less, I can't tell. XY for example I really don't quite remember playing through, nor do I remember much of the new mons. I found the gameplay enjoyable but don't quite remember much else, including much of the plot, I guess that says something. Personally I enjoyed bw and b2w2's plot more (although ccool, why do I get this impression that you weren't terribly impressed by N's story) and I didn't even get much hype before the game, I just stumbled upon the game title reveals somewhere online and was like, hey X and Y, they're moving away from colors. Then the game came out while I was blinking and then I bought, played and cleared it. Iunno, but I'm definitely looking forward to this new one, especially since it's hawaii themed. And, well, that's like my home and stuff where I spent the first 18 or so years of my life.
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I don't think it's a matter of getting older and dumber-- you can only play what is more or less the same game so many times without the premise running dry for you. The earlier gens have nostalgia factors to them that make them more memorable-- I can pick up Pokemon Red any day of the week and not only know where to catch any particular Pokemon, but also know where all the secrets are and know how to execute a handful of glitches.
It's kind of funny really-- I have a 13 year old client who also likes Pokemon, and he waxes all nostalgic over the Sinnoh games and how those are his favorite-- which is fine, but it kind of blows my mind at the same time because to me, Gen 4 is one of the LEAST memorable of all of them. I could pick up Pearl again and have it feel like a brand new game because I don't remember a damn thing about it. (Meanwhile, HGSS was absolutely fucking stellar.)
It also doesn't help that newer generation Pokemon in general are less memorable and less interesting for the most part, either. This isn't a "durrr game freak isn't creative anymore" because lol I sure do love gen1 pokemon like "blob of slime" and "ball" and "upside down ball" to go with my "bag of trash" and "key ring" pokemon-- it's just that you can only do so much before you clearly begin to run out of ideas, and XY was kind of the precipitate of that. It was all more of the same, but made 3D. The gameplay was solid and it did lots of things to make training and breeding less of a hassle, and made it way easier to play competitively and with more people, as well as making trading easier, but the game itself was boring. And ORAS, I never even finished.
All of that said, while I'm not super excited about a lot of the new Pokemon for the same reason of "not very interesting", the game itself seems to be playing out in a somewhat new format as far as how the flow of the story will go, and I'm definitely a fan of the Alolan forms of old Pokemon too-- instead of creating new and probably really bland Pokemon, they bring back old favorites but with new designs-- and the nostalgia factor there is more than welcome. A lot of them feel like brand new Pokemon, with the familiarity of old ones to keep them interesting. Z-moves are also interesting in that it adds a layer of strategy to the game as well, especially if it's a "once per battle" bomb that you have to be aware your opponent could use too.
Overall it seems that Sun and Moon have a healthy balance of new and old to feel fresh but also feel familiar and nostalgic without feeling contrived. That's enough to make me get it.
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It's kind of funny really-- I have a 13 year old client who also likes Pokemon, and he waxes all nostalgic over the Sinnoh games and how those are his favorite-- which is fine, but it kind of blows my mind at the same time because to me, Gen 4 is one of the LEAST memorable of all of them. I could pick up Pearl again and have it feel like a brand new game because I don't remember a damn thing about it. (Meanwhile, HGSS was absolutely fucking stellar.)
Yeah, everybody I know obsesses over DPPt. I will never understand why. I think, when it comes down to it, people like the game that they started with. Most people I know started with DPPt, and they love it, while I and very few other people I know started with RSE/FRLG and prefer that. Meanwhile, I talk to people in their 20s and 30s and they're all for RBY. I happen to know some 8-year-olds who are into BWBW2.
I have yet to find someone who started with Gen 2 or Coliseum/XD.
but the game itself was boring.
Noob town -> Get Pokemon -> Rival Battle -> Hey, go fight some gyms! -> Sup, Team Generic! I have most of the badges! I'm going to take this power plant that you captured! -> Oh no, they got away, let's go after them! -> They summoned a legendary Pokemon! Time to beat them up and catch the Legendary before they do! -> Let's abuse said Legendary's power to beat the League! -> I'm a Champion, apparently. I'll go roam the region so that nobody who challenges the Elite 4 can fight me and become Champion!
Essentially every single Pokemon game except for Black and White. Black and White is the same, except that it switches beating the E4 and catching the Legendary of the game.
More importantly, there's no real sense of accomplishment when you beat the game (excluding HGSS; that was fun) just due to the difficulty now. I know I've talked about how I hate the difficulty level before, but I felt like pointing it out again. Badges and Trainer Card color don't really say a whole lot about how hard you've worked, just how much you've played. On a related note, what I'm beginning to do right now is get all of the Ribbons, because I feel that those things (that so many people forget about) are a much better indicator of how hard you've worked, memorializing things like clearing the Battle Tower, Mt. Battle, the Battle Maison (which is legitimately hard if you don't cheese it with a Lv. 1 Aron), etc.
At this point, I don't play Pokemon for the story or maybe even the game itself anymore, but for... the Pokemon themselves? New engine builds? I don't know anymore. When I'm being honest with myself, I think I'm just buying it for brand rep, at this point. It has a certain charm that keeps me interested enough to finish each game, but it's rare that I'll remember the whole story afterwards. The only game that managed to do that was Black and White/BW2, but that's just because the characters were memorable. Maybe Ribbons will be my reason, now. I'll make it a point to obtain every obtainable ribbon on a single 'mon.
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Maybe you could try the Nuzlocke Challenge? There are many possible variants and it is meant to change the way you look and play the game.
From personal experience it can be really engaging.
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Yeah, everybody I know obsesses over DPPt. I will never understand why. I think, when it comes down to it, people like the game that they started with. Most people I know started with DPPt, and they love it, while I and very few other people I know started with RSE/FRLG and prefer that. Meanwhile, I talk to people in their 20s and 30s and they're all for RBY. I happen to know some 8-year-olds who are into BWBW2.
I have yet to find someone who started with Gen 2 or Coliseum/XD.
Noob town -> Get Pokemon -> Rival Battle -> Hey, go fight some gyms! -> Sup, Team Generic! I have most of the badges! I'm going to take this power plant that you captured! -> Oh no, they got away, let's go after them! -> They summoned a legendary Pokemon! Time to beat them up and catch the Legendary before they do! -> Let's abuse said Legendary's power to beat the League! -> I'm a Champion, apparently. I'll go roam the region so that nobody who challenges the Elite 4 can fight me and become Champion!
Essentially every single Pokemon game except for Black and White. Black and White is the same, except that it switches beating the E4 and catching the Legendary of the game.
More importantly, there's no real sense of accomplishment when you beat the game (excluding HGSS; that was fun) just due to the difficulty now. I know I've talked about how I hate the difficulty level before, but I felt like pointing it out again. Badges and Trainer Card color don't really say a whole lot about how hard you've worked, just how much you've played. On a related note, what I'm beginning to do right now is get all of the Ribbons, because I feel that those things (that so many people forget about) are a much better indicator of how hard you've worked, memorializing things like clearing the Battle Tower, Mt. Battle, the Battle Maison (which is legitimately hard if you don't cheese it with a Lv. 1 Aron), etc.
At this point, I don't play Pokemon for the story or maybe even the game itself anymore, but for... the Pokemon themselves? New engine builds? I don't know anymore. When I'm being honest with myself, I think I'm just buying it for brand rep, at this point. It has a certain charm that keeps me interested enough to finish each game, but it's rare that I'll remember the whole story afterwards. The only game that managed to do that was Black and White/BW2, but that's just because the characters were memorable. Maybe Ribbons will be my reason, now. I'll make it a point to obtain every obtainable ribbon on a single 'mon.
1. I started off with gen 3, specifically Colosseum and XD. Those games, especially Colosseum, were nasty pieces of work because you had shit for Pokemon. As for Gen 4, Platinum is and always will be my favorite game in the series, but I FULLY understand the mediocrity of D/P. Those games reeked of laziness and BS design (Oh yeah, the fire elite 4 member only has 2 fire types... seems legit), surf speed was abysmal, Team Galactic grunts were the saddest excuse for grunts I had ever seen, etc. If it weren't for the gen 2 remakes and Platinum, I would fully say Gen 4 is the worst gen ever (Though that award goes to Gen 1 in my book, with how poorly balanced and glitchy that archaic mess is)
2. Gen 5 is my favorite overall generation because there's a greater emphasis on story and character development, and vastly superior to X and Y, which felt like a massive step back in every regard except the exterior polish. The gym leaders in gen 5 have actual personality and presence , with jobs outside of just being a gym leader, and N's story arc in B/W, culminating in the final battle in his castle, is my single favorite moment in all the franchise.
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holy shit
Snorlax
Pulverizing Pancake
That's reason enough to preorder for me.
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So there are Pokemon-specific Z-moves after all, interesting. I have to wonder how many of those they'll introduce, like, if it's a similar number to Mega Evolutions or something different. I feel like there won't be a ton of them though since that would make "general" Z-moves kinda redundant outside of coverage.
As for Alolan Rattata? Hello double Fighting weakness. :V
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So there are Pokemon-specific Z-moves after all, interesting. I have to wonder how many of those they'll introduce, like, if it's a similar number to Mega Evolutions or something different. I feel like there won't be a ton of them though since that would make "general" Z-moves kinda redundant outside of coverage.
Not necessarily redundant, it allows gamefreak to give interesting options to less used/popular pokemon while not being forced to greatly buff their stats or have them have to compete for the mega-slot
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my body will never be properly ready for the snorlax hype
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Not necessarily redundant, it allows gamefreak to give interesting options to less used/popular pokemon while not being forced to greatly buff their stats or have them have to compete for the mega-slot
I dunno what it "allows" them to do, all they're using them for is to hype up Gen 1 mons to increase sales. Sasuga Nintendo.
It's cute that the explanation for Alola Ratatta was basically Darwinism. :V
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This is a bit late since I was busy this morning, but the newest Sun and Moon trailer is out (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFbMGKvN6ts), and holy crap some of these new reveals are ultra confusing, no pun intended (or maybe it was? :V). I really don't know what to make of some of these new elements, though I still feel mostly optimistic about them. At the very least it's really hammering home the possibility that Sun and Moon will be much more story-focused than previous gens. And as tempting as it is, I kinda want to avoid getting too much into speculation and just let the eventual reveals later on speak for themselves. But don't let me stop the rest of you from speculating away lol - this trailer is like a gold mine for it, after all.
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woah what's going on with that trailer
pretty excited about the aether foundation, we haven't had two villainous(?) groups in conflict since gen3
also didn't someone say that the two cover mons are referencing alchemy? I wonder if the ultra beasts are supposed to be some pokemon/human homunculus abomination, that'd be really cool
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also didn't someone say that the two cover mons are referencing alchemy? I wonder if the ultra beasts are supposed to be some pokemon/human homunculus abomination, that'd be really cool
That could be. It really doesn't help that UB-01 seems to be awfully similar to Lillie.
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That could be. It really doesn't help that UB-01 seems to be awfully similar to Lillie.
People are going further with that fact, and thinking that
UB-01 looks like Lillie, therefore they must be the same
+ Lillie, Lusamine, and Gladion look kinda like they could be related
+ all three of them also care about Pokemon quite a bit (Gladion tells you you shouldn't get them hurt for no reason, at least)
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= Lusamine and Gladion are ALSO ultra beasts
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Gameplay wise, I don't really like the Mega Evolutions in terms of competitive play. Some of them were even considered Uber by Smogon. I don't mind the designs, though. Maybe I've played Pok?mon for too long since 2007, but X and Y didn't keep me immersed. Things I did like about Gen VI, include Electric types being immune to paralysis, and Drizzle and Drought no longer being permanent.
I can't imagine what the Null type would be like.
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Gameplay wise, I don't really like the Mega Evolutions in terms of competitive play. Some of them were even considered Uber by Smogon. I don't mind the designs, though. Maybe I've played Pok?mon for too long since 2007, but X and Y didn't keep me immersed. Things I did like about Gen VI, include Electric types being immune to paralysis, and Drizzle and Drought no longer being permanent.
I can't imagine what the Null type would be like.
Type: Null is a Pokemon, not a type. Don't worry, I was just as caught off guard by the name. Apparently it's an artificial Pokemon, hence the more "science-y" name.
Also a wild Alolan Prof. Oak appeared (http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/)! They just couldn't help themselves lol.
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I dunno how I mistook Null for a type, must have been thinking of the Bird type from Generation I. It's Normal type and just looks bizarre, it looks like it's got a helmet and a fish tail. No relation to Ditto perhaps?
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That Oak is Professor Oak's cousin named Nariya Oak. He's researching region-form pokemon.
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Also a wild Alolan Prof. Oak appeared (http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/people-alola/)! They just couldn't help themselves lol.
It just feels like Nintendo don't have any self-restraint for any of their franchises these days.
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It just feels like Nintendo don't have any self-restraint for any of their franchises these days.
No no no, they have loads of self-restraint.
So long as it involves Gen 2; 3; 4; 5 or 6.
I mean I've said it before but I seriously through they had Genwun-pandaed as hard as possible in Gen 6 with almost 50% of Megas in X/Y being Gen 1 and the forced Snorlax and so on. With each Gen 1 Alolan Form I get more annoyed actually. I mean seriously? Are the pokemon of Jhoto; Hoenn; Sinnoh; Unova and Kalos just incapable of adapting to other places or something? Or are they so well adapted that they don't need to anyway? Which is double weird considering Jhoto/Kanto are one landmass and appear in all regards to be the same climate. [A never-released event in HG/SS implies Sinnoh is also on the same continent; perhaps north of the mountain ranges; further supported by Sinnoh being a colder climate with a lot more icy areas and snow]
And now we have Alolan Form Oak as well...
I mean we get it Nintendo. You want to appeal to the older fanbase with the 151.
But at this point; dosen't that include those who were introduced to pokemon with Gen 2 at least now? Gen 1 gets constant love; Gen 3 just got ORAS... and Gen 2? Uh... nope. [Irony is Gen 2's my least favorite; and I constantly moan about Genwunners despite me technically being one since my first game was Blue]
Also; as for Type:Null:
It's a normal-type.
It looks kinda like a horse-thing. Like Arceus. Except it clearly dosen't look natural.
It's called Type:Null. Arceus can be any type based on the plate it has.
It's page on the website says: 'Type: Null was created for a mysterious purpose. In order for it to carry out its mission, its power is intended to rival that of Pok?mon spoken of in myth.'
It's an attempt to replicate Arceus.
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1. It turns out Alolan Oak is actually Samuel Oak, Professor Oak's cousin.
2. Please end the Gen 1 pandering, Gamefreak. X and Y were obnoxious with it (to the point of it detracting from the actual experience and quality of the games), and Sun/Moon is desperately seeking to outclass those in genwunner pandering.
3. Corocoro brings us some news on Rockruff's evolution and spoilery stuff on some Ultra Beasts: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml
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1. It turns out Alolan Oak is actually Samuel Oak, Professor Oak's cousin.
Nah, Samuel is the original. I think the new one's called Samson Oak.
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*quietly bathes in salty tears of gen 1 hate*
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2. Please end the Gen 1 pandering, Gamefreak. X and Y were obnoxious with it (to the point of it detracting from the actual experience and quality of the games), and Sun/Moon is desperately seeking to outclass those in genwunner pandering.
Was it though? I really don't remember this much. Seemed to me that most of the popular non-new pokemon got mega evolutions and new spotlights. Eg: ampharos, gardevoir, lucario, etc. The gen 1 starters getting new attention was to be expected considering it was mega evo's first unveiling, and gen 3's starters just got their megas as well. With the new crop of people being reintroduced to pokemon through pokemon go, which only has first gen mons, it seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do.
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Is Gen 1 love that bad? I thought it was natural for the originals in anything to get a lot of love, kinda like how you see Marth a lot in FE stuff. Gen 3 got megas too. What happened to Mega Meganium Gamefreak? I want a Mega Butterfree too. One of my favorites. Did he ever show up in the anime again?
I don't know why, but I put this big divide between gen 2 an gen 3. Gen 1 and 2 feel the same to me, but the gen 3 pokemon and on feel different to me for some reason.
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probably because johto is literally connected to kanto and you go to kanto in gsc and the events in the games are related
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*quietly bathes in salty tears of gen 1 hate*
It's not hate.
It's annoyance at the ignoring of the other generations while Generation 1 continues to get special treatment.
A significant part of Pokemon's target audience probobly wasn't even alive back when Gen 1 came out. In fact, a significant amount of their target audience probobly wasn't even alive when FR/LG came out. And older fans won't suddenly stop playing if Gen 1 dosen't get special treatment. Freaking PIKACHU wasn't in Gen 5 and did Pokemon bomb then? No. In fact; in Black/White; there wasn't a single pokemon from another generation until postgame. Did the games bomb because they ignored Gen 1? No. Nintendo seems to have got it into their heads that the older fanbase will vanish if they stop worshipping the 151.
Was it though? I really don't remember this much. Seemed to me that most of the popular non-new pokemon got mega evolutions and new spotlights. Eg: ampharos, gardevoir, lucario, etc. The gen 1 starters getting new attention was to be expected considering it was mega evo's first unveiling, and gen 3's starters just got their megas as well. With the new crop of people being reintroduced to pokemon through pokemon go, which only has first gen mons, it seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do.
1: Your first wild pokemon encounter in the game is forced to be a Pidgey. Not a new pokemon. The first pokemon you can catch in X/Y will always be a Pidgey.
2: Regional Professor supplies you with; and uses in battle; Kanto starters. He also gives you a Mega Stone for said starters; meaning they'll outshine your Kalos starter. So much for repping your trio Sycamore.
3: Snorlax in the road and Pokeflute quest mandated in the game
4: First Mega Stone you can obtain that isn't plot-mandated? Aerodactyl. Also you can get an Aerodactyl before Gym 2 conveniently.
5: Free Lapras; also Lapras gets a special surf model, and not a minor edit to the blob's shape. An actual model.
6: The legendary birds are in Kalos for absolutely no reason.
7: Mewtwo is in Kalos for absolutely no reason; which means all the Gen 1 legends are in Kalos because... uh... muh Genwun pandering?
8: TWO Mega Charizards! TWO Mega Mewtwos! No other pokemon got this treatment. Meanwhile Gen 5 has to wait until ORAS for a single Mega. [Which gave a lot of love to gen 3 but it's the gen 3 remakes it actually has an excuse]
9: The vast majority of Megas in X/Y were Gen 1.
It honestly felt like in X/Y they were pushing Gen 1 pokemon harder than the actual new Gen 6 pokemon.
You can probobly tell people are a little annoyed now it looks like Gen 7 is going to stuff Gen 1 down our throats and give it special treatment again what with Alolan Oak who'll probobly outshine the actual regional Professor, and Alolan forms thus far being a purely Gen 1 thing.
We get it. The 151 are cool. But you know what? There are 571+ other pokemon who deserve love as well.
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I think it's simply a case of renewing the oldest Pok?mon first to re-introduce them to a new public.
Kids who pick up XY may not even have been alive for Pok?mon Red & Blue, so to them, Charizard and MewTwo are completely new Pok?mon they've never heard of before.
The added benefit is those players from back then get hit with some nostalgia by seeing their old Pok?mon again.
You get two birds with one stone: your older fanbase stays engaged because they see things that are familiar in their Pok?mon games, whereas the newer public has a reason to be engaged and fall in love with the first Pok?mon generation. It's win-win.
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1) It dips into old fans
2) It dips into brand recognition - people immediately recognize it as Pokemon
3) Maybe they're just really self-depreciating and think people like their new designs less, so they go for what worked in the past (and they're right)(this is a pretty good sign that the franchise is a dead horse)
By the way did any of you guys watch the S&M anime preview? It's pretty baaaad. (https://twitter.com/pKjd/status/776373743929036800)
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3) Maybe they're just really self-depreciating and think people like their new designs less, so they go for what worked in the past (and they're right)(this is a pretty good sign that the franchise is a dead horse)
You think so? Weighted a bit for the smaller size I think generation 6 is arguably the best-designed set of Pokemon yet. And at this point I'm trying to avoid further generation 7 spoilers, but it looked pretty solid given what I saw of it.
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You think so? Weighted a bit for the smaller size I think generation 6 is arguably the best-designed set of Pokemon yet. And at this point I'm trying to avoid further generation 7 spoilers, but it looked pretty solid given what I saw of it.
I'm not saying they're objectively better or worse than the old designs, I'm saying it's consensus that most fans (a lot of whom are old fans) like the older designs because of bias. Now it seems like Nintendo are also on board with the "heck yeah, old designs" thing.
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So. Version exclusives, new Z-moves announced today.
Rugby seems like it'd be cool in doubles. Receive Wonder Guard from Shedinja, Parental Bond, whatever really - as long as you time bringing it in well.
Oranguru sounds like it'll just tank everything possible while Instruct is used to give glass cannon partners 2x attacks. Telepathy even means you don't have to fear using Earthquake, Surf, etc.
Pikachu's Z-Move better be damn strong if it has to forgo Light Ball. Awesome animation though.
Eevee's Z-Move turns him into the premium Baton Pass user. If he can survive the two turns needed to use Evoboost and Baton Pass, without the safety of Focus Sash...
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Another big update just dropped (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciqAkdXQ9dw), and we got some pretty juicy info to hold us over for a while (or not, since there's always more to it lol).
- The first evolutions of the starter Pokemon are finally revealed! I personally think they flow well from the designs of their first forms, which is getting me even more curious about their final stages. And so far there's no Fighting-type to be seen in LItten's evolutionary line, which is a relief. Someone in the comments mentioned a circus theme going on with the starters, which differs from the "archer-wrestler-dancer" theme that people had gathered from the "leaked" pictures of their final evolutions.
- This new Festival Plaza looks like the games' main hub for online player interactions, and you can even get items and play games to increase your mons' stats.
- Another new feature in Pokemon Pelago. Now Pokemon in your PC can be useful aside from just being there for your collection lol. The revealed features include attracting wild Pokemon, mining for items in a cave, and even more ways to increase your Pokemon's stats.
- Z-rings also support Mega Evolution, as previously theorized, though no new Mega Evolutions are shown this time.
- Finally, a demo version of the game will be available on October 18th! Not only that, but we get to play through it with a very special Pokemon: Ash-Greninja
! The trailer says it can even be transferred over to the main games once they come out, though I wonder how many people will opt not to use it to avoid breaking the game, a la Victini in Gen 5.
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Oh no, I didn't like Popplio but Brionne is adorable as hell.
And I know I won't be using the ~*~special~*~ pokemon-- that just seems completely game-breaking. I'll still get it for the box though, I guess.
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Oh no, I didn't like Popplio but Brionne is adorable as hell.
Really? I thought Team Popplio would be crying themselves to sleep.
That said; Litten's evo is literally 'Bigger Litten'. And Rowlet turns into an Emo.
Still think Popplio's worst off.
Also no thank you I don;t want to take Easymode stuff.
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Really? I thought Team Popplio would be crying themselves to sleep.
Anyone who liked Popplio (Self included, Popplio looked very smooth and well-designed like literally all of this gen's starters) definitely likes Brionne and I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise, It's basically a slightly modified Popplio made to look 'prettier' which is what the mon was going for already.
This goes for most of the second stages, whats prolly more worrying people is Camp Litten who is desperately fearful the final stage turns into a bulking werecat with that terrifying /fighting attached.
tldr; It's exactly what people liked from stages 1 in most cases, Rowlett getting the worse because it's suddenly becoming ~dapper~ and people like rowlett for being dorbs.
Gotta say, I really do find Sun/Moon has probably some of the best aesthetic stylings since two.
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I'm down with the dapper owl myself. Definitely conflicted between it or Popplio now.
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I was trying to avoid spoilers but I had to look at the starter evolutions. I love 'em all, but I' m still behind Rowlet 100%.
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I'm down with the dapper owl myself. Definitely conflicted between it or Popplio now.
The hair is honestly kind of goofy, but yeah, I'm alright with the dapper owl myself.
It's just waiting the payoff that the final stage's ULTIMATE BUTLER OWL will bring.
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The hair is honestly kind of goofy, but yeah, I'm alright with the dapper owl myself.
It's just waiting the payoff that the final stage's ULTIMATE BUTLER OWL will bring.
Oh gosh that sounds great. Maybe a serving tray made out of a slice of tree trunk?
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- Finally, a demo version of the game will be available on October 18th! Not only that, but we get to play through it with a very special Pokemon: Ash-Greninja
! The trailer says it can even be transferred over to the main games once they come out, though I wonder how many people will opt not to use it to avoid breaking the game, a la Victini in Gen 5.
YOU CAN'T JUST
DROP ASH
IN A MAIN SERIES GAME
YOU DON'T DO THAT MAN
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oh god brionne is great help
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This goes for most of the second stages, whats prolly more worrying people is Camp Litten who is desperately fearful the final stage turns into a bulking werecat with that terrifying /fighting attached.
Well I have bad news for Team Litten; if you look on the Sun/Moon website...
The cat punch that this Pok?mon can dish out with its strong forelegs is extremely powerful. It can bend iron bars and knock out large men with a single blow!
So... it punches. With it's forelegs. And it's feats are 'bending metal' and 'knocking people out'.
So bipedal Fire/Fighting final form all but confirmed.
Also I find this bit of fluff that will have no in-game consequence interesting:
At times, this Pok?mon feels so bothered by its dirty or ruffled feathers that it can?t focus on battle. When it loses its focus, it sometimes even retires from the battle on the spot! It?s up to each Trainer to help Dartrix overcome this troublesome stage. If this Pok?mon is with a Trainer who helps it through, its strength will grow hugely!
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So... it punches. With it's forelegs. And it's feats are 'bending metal' and 'knocking people out'.
So bipedal Fire/Fighting final form all but confirmed.
You know what Pok?mon has this Dex entry?
It attacks with retractable horns. It throws a punch that's the equivalent of the force of a hundred pro boxers.
Goodra
Nothing is confirmed yet, I would say.
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Also I find this bit of fluff that will have no in-game consequence interesting:
I don't know about no in-game effect. Last generation's starters all got semi-unique hidden abilities, so maybe Rowlet will get one that addresses this. A stat boost when it's at full health or not statused maybe?
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inb4 Rowlet actually loses half of its Atk/SpA when damaged because it gets Defeatist as a second ability
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Wouldn't be the first time a Pokemon has gotten a hidden ability with a drawback for flavor. Like
Truant Durant.
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I really hope that the information our friend the " Chinese Riddler " leaked is actually true so that we get the awesome Archer Rowlet evolution which would mark Rowlet as the first badass grass starter since Treeko, and that beautiful Siren evolution for Poplio which looks so majestic i love it so much, unfortunately if that were the case then that would mean that Litten becomes a fighter/ becomes bipedal like the rest of the fire starters... :ohdear:
On the other hand the " Chinese Riddler " said that the starters and Rockruff have something in common, so we may very well be looking at the first split starter final evolutions! :D
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Litten magically becoming a Fire/Fighting would override anything good about the other evolutions
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Still undecided between Sun or Moon. I need more info about the 12-hour difference thing.
Leaning towards Moon if it features more evening and night time setpieces.
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Litten magically becoming a Fire/Fighting would override anything good about the other evolutions
I hate to be like this but I'm feeling the same here. I like the idea of variety myself.
We'll see! Gonna be hopeful for now.
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Still undecided between Sun or Moon. I need more info about the 12-hour difference thing.
Leaning towards Moon if it features more evening and night time setpieces.
I can relate, both versions look awesome. I mean to me, the only thing which will help me choose is the possible split game starter final evolution...
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Think it's worth pre-ordering? I remember last time I bought X&Y on the day of its release, the line was pretty huge.
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I don't plan to preorder it. Every grocery store in the world should have it so you can skip the lines if you want. I like the lines though, they're fun.
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I recall going to the Nintendo Store in Manhattan for the XY launch. While the line kept me there from 5 pm through 5 am, they did hand out a bunch of loot like posters, pins, patches, and postcards so I might go there for the Sun/Moon release.
Well. Type: Null and its evolution are probably my favorite Gen VII Pok?mon now.
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Speaking of Type NULL, i hope they make it so that you can't capture it anywhere, and the only way to get it would be throught events or maybe somehow Gladion would give it to you. It wouldn't make sense for there to be thousands of these chimeras who have the power of a legendary pokemon walking around route 1 or something like that. Having only 1 of them would make Type NULL more unique.
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They can just have it be a only one capture in its own area.
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Tomorow we will get a new trailer, lets see what we might get...
Probably Alolan Grimer reveal and Janmo-o evolutions and Type NULL, same as Corocoro.
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Tomorow we will get a new trailer, lets see what we might get...
Probably Alolan Grimer reveal and Janmo-o evolutions and Type NULL, same as Corocoro.
Indeed those are correct, plus some additional reveals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ4I_0DP4fc), including Technicolor Alolan Muk, the two evolutions of Bounsweet (Steenee and Tsareena), that alleged evolution of Cutiefly that was seen in an earlier Japanese trailer (Ribombee), the formal reveal of Ilima (a Normal-type Trial Captain), and even the Kahuna of Akala Island (Rock-type specialist Olivia). Still nothing too out of the ordinary here, a decent set of info to lead us into the demo coming in half a week.
Also can I just say they're really playing up the idea of Type: Null and Silvally being an artificial Arceus
? Even the name of the latter's ability kinda gives it away (RKS=Arceus anyone?)
. I can't be the only one who suspects these two are gonna be important to the story somehow, likely as a one-of-a-kind mon because of their very nature.
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holy shit that first song in the trailer is SO GOOD i hope it shows up often in the game
also steenee is adorable aaaaaa
so is ribombee please don't suck i want a good bee
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Re: Silvally
I'm really glad that Silvally is so similar to Arceus. If I recall correctly, Arceus has never really been expanded upon or talked about in its history, but now we know that humans have taken this divine inspiration, done some really controversial things by putting parts of various Pokes together, and actually managed to pull it off.
I think it mirrors Mewtwo and Mew, and I agree that Silvally should be very significant in the story.
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Which is why i am worried that a chimera who has the power matching that of legendaries might be caught in the wild and isn't part of a special event or occurence ingame, it just really takes the WOW factor of Type NULL and Silvally and throw it in the garbage since you could potntially have as manny as you want, it also diminishes Type NULL and Gladion's potential relanshionship.
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oh man, the type:null -> sylvally thing is really spooky. With type:null you have this thing that literally looks like it's being held together with that wooden contraption thing on it's head so it won't fall apart, but then it evolves and hey, everything sticks together like glue! You have this artificial thing that's a flustercuck of random bits of whatever pokemon, but feed it enough exp and it evolves into an 'actual' individual mon. Kinda creepy if you ask me, about the nature of pokemon and evolution in general.
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All of this music oh my god the BASS aaaaaaaaaaa
The first song is almost definitely Gladion's theme. In that case I hope he shows up a lot.
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That first song reminds me a lot of BW2 music where they just add a bunch of synth sounds in the background but, like, there isn't really anything that stands out about it. Can't make everyone happy, I guess.
Hakamo-o >>>> Kommo-o. What a cluttermon.
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Apparent data-mined stats for Ash-Greninja: 72-145-67-153-71-132.
That's a pretty powerful frog.
Battle Bond lets it transform when it knocks out an opponent. That extra 10 speed lets it matchup well against Darkrai, Mewtwo {X} and Talonflame (with the now special Water Shuriken).
It's pretty comparable to Deoxys normal form now.
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People have found the final starter evolutions in the demo. It seems the leaks were right after all, so this means badass Rowlet, Beautiful Poplio, and... the 5th fire figthing starter ladies and gentlement they did it again!
https://twitter.com/TKOWL/status/788259326603431936/photo/1
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Wait types were confirmed too? I had heard that despite the pose it was actually Fire/Dark instead...Please let that be the case instead of ANOTHER Fr/Ft. Please.
;_;
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Still its riddiculous the fact Litten becomes bipedal, i swear every fire starter becomes bipedal at some point, its like a curse. But thank god we have a badass grass starter... the grass types only have 2 badasses out of 7 ( Treeko and Rowlet )
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yyyyyyyyyyyep sold on popplio
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Playing the demo now.
Lol wtf Team Skull's animations.
PROFESSOR KUKUI YOU DUNCE, FOCUS BLAST IS A SPECIAL MOVE SO A MACHAMP USING IT WOULDN'T EVEN HIT THAT HARD. GOD. Or maybe he's just making fun of me?
I really like the menu design and stuff. It's thematic without feeling completely over the top. Not subtle exactly, but nicely balanced I think.
Not sure what I think of the UI thing that tells you whether or not moves will be effective. I guess it's fine, right? Cutting down on memorization required isn't bad.
Ooh, we get to see how totem Pokemon work! Looks like they get a modest stat boost and can summon allies. Looks like you don't have to take out the allies to KO the totem Pokemon, and they don't seem particularly strong (at least in the demo) but it's got potential.
Was kind of hoping there would be a chance to like, actually see Greninja's ability, but the demo only lets you fight one thing at a time. Oh well.
Yeah, that was fine. Basically nothing happened, but seeing the stuff was nice I guess. BRING ON THE REAL GAME!
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Not even past our first encounter with Team Skull and they're already laying on the bone-related puns. I hereby dub thee Team Sans. :V
Anyway, finished the main story of the demo, though I'll save the "post-game" stuff for later. Pretty basic introduction to the game, but seems solid enough. Still can't wait for the full release! Also according to Serebii.net, the next batch of info will be revealed on October 27th, so stay tuned for that!
Was kind of hoping there would be a chance to like, actually see Greninja's ability, but the demo only lets you fight one thing at a time. Oh well.
You can kill the summoned Pokemon during the Totem Hakamo-o fight to trigger it. I want to say there'll be times in the post-game you can do it too, judging from the trailer that introduced Ash-Greninja, but don't quote me on that. Still have to do the rest of the demo first lol.
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Not even past our first encounter with Team Skull and they're already laying on the bone-related puns. I hereby dub thee Team Sans. :V
Anyway, finished the main story of the demo, though I'll save the "post-game" stuff for later. Pretty basic introduction to the game, but seems solid enough. Still can't wait for the full release! Also according to Serebii.net, the next batch of info will be revealed on October 27th, so stay tuned for that!
You can kill the summoned Pokemon during the Totem Hakamo-o fight to trigger it. I want to say there'll be times in the post-game you can do it too, judging from the trailer that introduced Ash-Greninja, but don't quote me on that. Still have to do the rest of the demo first lol.
Oh right, that's... Weird. I did do that and I don't recall it triggering. Maybe I just missed it somehow?
Also didn't know anything about a "postgame". How does that work now?
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Oh right, that's... Weird. I did do that and I don't recall it triggering. Maybe I just missed it somehow?
Also didn't know anything about a "postgame". How does that work now?
The demo has a few things open up after the end of its plot
there are at least 3 trainer battles with multiple pokemon. Also a load of character saying things like come and help me with X in Y days
Also try to spin on the spot when walking ;) or mashing B whilst moving.
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You can go catch Pokemon if you go to a certain area in Ten-Carat Hill as well during the "postgame". Catch at least 3 and you get a Nugget which can be sent to the full game later.
EDIT: Go to the south area of town(near a Slowpoke blockade) and talk to a girl in a hoodie there; she'll take you somewhere you can acquire some Stardusts, also transferable. I was amused by the "character" who gives em to you, if he can even be called such.
EDIT2: 1 milllion PokeDollar vending machine? Geez, how loaded do they think their customers ARE!?
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I haven't gotten a chance to play the demo yet. What are people's impressions?
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Seems fun. Team skull are a bunch of goofballs and will be hilarious.
The OP Greninja made it hard to get a real feel for much else though.
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Well, I can't exactly say that I like having to press A to open doors now, but that's not too bad. Sun's walking animation looks dumb. That aside, it's pretty cool.
The people in the Alola region actually seem like people who live in Hawaii, and the new interface is really intuitive. You can no longer use the D-Pad to move (or so it seems, unless there's movement stuff like in XY), but I never really used it anyways. Kukui doesn't seem like a professor, and that is cool by me. I kinda lol'd when he said he lets himself get hit by moves to gauge their strength, especially since he has abs to prove it. That's about as far as I've gotten in the demo. For the most part it's impressed me.
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Who needs a bike when you got motherfukin TAUROS
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Seems legit Rotom is automatically in the PokeFinder; you don't have to work for it.
Also Pok?mon Snap 2 is this game.
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Yeah, it's just a demo, so there's not a ton to go off of. Given the series and who's behind it, you kinda expect the gameplay to work properly and stuff lol. I also don't really like having to press A to open doors, and I noticed the HP bars drop slower than they do in Gen 6, which is still throwing me off a bit (though it looks like they still drop over a set amount of time like in Gen 6, so there's that). The characters and the game world itself are gonna be the big attractions this time around, but of course a demo like this would only give you a small taste of those. The next month of waiting is gonna be a killer.
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So I got a Z-Move. All I can say about this game now is this:
Pok?mon: The Last Airbender: Snap Edition.
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People have found the final starter evolutions in the demo. It seems the leaks were right after all, so this means badass Rowlet, Beautiful Poplio, and... the 5th fire figthing starter ladies and gentlement they did it again!
https://twitter.com/TKOWL/status/788259326603431936/photo/1
While I don't care about leaks or trust them until confirmed [It could even be GF trolling; these look rather low-quality]; I will say that Litten 2's bio on the pokemon website that I posted before pretty much screams 'FIGHTING TYPE' so Fire/Fighting was all but confirmed already.
Also it's #4; not #5. Blaziken; Infernape; Emboar.
But if Litten is indeed Fire/Fighting I can automatically see it being the least popular starter because literally the entire older fanbase will flip out. Personally I won't pick it either because I don't want to play some stat-rearrangement of Blaziken again.
And that's saying something when there is such a feminine-designed pokemon [if the leaks are true] that is only 12.5% female since it's a starter and every male kid won't be seen dead using it.
So... yeah. Rowlet wins? I think this might be the first time ever that the Grass-type starter is the most popular. Usually it's the least popular...
Oh wait Snivy probobly won Gen 5. I always forget that because unless you go Oshawott you box your starter by Gym 3 because Tepig and Snivy are both completely and totally outclassed by that point [Petilil and Darumaka]; and honestly the Gen 5 starters all suck not design-wise but batle-wise [And unlike Gen 2 where the level curve is so flat and grinding is a chore because wilds are hilariously underleveled; it's easy to Audino grind a replacement in B/W]
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Seeing that, I actually kinda want to soft reset for Popillo. Originally I wanted to use Rowlet because fanart, but this changes things to be honest.
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My first impressions... For once, I'm very confident in the story of Pokemon.Between what I'm seeing, and what I've been spoiled, I think this has the potential to be the best Pokemon storyline so far. Super hyped.
Nintendo confirmed Ultra beasts are catchable.
http://www.polygon.com/2016/10/18/13323138/pokemon-sun-and-moon-catch-ultra-beasts-theory
This solidifies my choice for Moon. I want the UB-02 Moon Beauty Succubus thing.
It is said that any Pok?mon that sees UB-02 Beauty, regardless of its own gender, will become infatuated with it and lose the will to battle. The exact reason for this reaction?whether it's an unidentified pheromone exuded by UB-02 Beauty or a hypnotic effect induced by its appearance?has not been determined.
I guess the only ironic thing about this is that there is a high chance it will be genderless and not know attract.
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So I randomly rebooted the demo to double-check those "come back in X days" people, and up by the entrance to Ten Carat Hill was
Lillie
. Didn't say much (in fact, the same thing no matter which option you choose lol), so nothing more than a brief cameo, but I didn't see her
there before. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I just crazy and missed her
the first time? If the former is true, that makes me wonder if there might be a few more surprises waiting in the demo as time goes on.
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Double post, but it turns out this next update is pretty dang huge (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uWAMwcRGmU).
- The final evolutions of the starters are revealed, and indeed they are the same as in that old Chinese leak, which means no Fire/Fighting starter! Yay! I'll split them up since there's quite a bit to go through:
- Decidueye is Grass/Ghost, losing its old Flying type, and has that badass archer design we were all hoping for. It gets a signature move called Spirit Shackle, a physical move that also prevents opponents from switching out, which is quite unusual (though not unheard of since Thousand Waves exists).
- Incineroar is Fire/Dark (hell yes), matching that "heel wrestler" depiction, and gets a signature move called Darkest Lariat, which ignores the opponent's stat boosts, like a built-in Unaware. Quite useful since Dark should still be a good attack type this gen, unless there are any more type balance changes in store. Can I just say I love the "bring it" pose it has too? :V
- Primarina is Water/Fairy and looks like a really elegant mermaid. Really, all three starters look amazing this gen, so I'm sure fans of each starter will be satisfied. Primarina's signature move, Sparkling Aria, is also unusual in that it heals targets of burns, so this will likely only see use in doubles.
- After being stuck with Tapu Koko for so long, we finally have info on the guardians of the other islands as well!
- Akala Island's guardian is Tapu Lele, a Psychic/Fairy type whose ability, Psychic Surge, automatically summons the brand-new Psychic Terrain, which boosts the power of Psychic moves and prevents grounded Pokemon from being hit by priority moves.
- Ula'ula Island's guardian is Tapu Bulu, a Grass/Fairy type with an auto Grassy Terrian ability, Grassy Surge.
- Poni Island's guardian is Tapu Fini, another Water/Fairy type with an auto Misty Terrian ability, Misty Surge.
- Also, all four guardian deities get a unique Z-move called Guardian of Alola (I foresee many Voltron jokes here lol), which is basically Super Fang on steroids, dealing 75% of the target's current HP.
- In other Pokemon news, Alolan Persian was formally revealed, as was the brand-new Pokemon Cosmog, a Psychic type with Unaware as its ability. No word on how strong it is to take advantage of that though.
- Finally, we got some info on what the potential end-game and post-game might be like. Turns out Alola doesn't have a formal Pokemon League like the other regions, but one is under construction, though whether it'll be your specific reward for clearing the Island Challenge or a post-game bonus as a throwback to the other regions isn't known yet. This Pokemon League will be at the top of Mount Lanakila, the snowy mountain on Ula'ula Island. Something that's almost certainly a post-game thing, however, is the Battle Tree, which lets you scout and recruit opponents by battling them. In particular, this challenge features
famous characters from previous games, such as Cynthia, Wally, and even an older Red and Blue!
The full release is only three weeks away, so I'm not sure if there'll be any more updates (or if there are, they'll likely be small), but the lead-up has certainly been quite interesting. I'm still super pumped for what else might be in store, especially given how much of a different take they're doing with Gen 7.
EDIT: Just got around to watching the Japanese trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt4rIbFfMvw), which provides a couple more answers to things. Turns out Cosmog is the Pokemon in Lillie's bag, and it's the same Cosmog that the player character sees get attacked by Spearow on a rope bridge in the beginning of the game, as GameXplain alluded to in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Qpz6cDBvA). I guess it makes sense to be Lillie's Pokemon since it's so small, but really, poor thing, being stuffed in a bag like that. :(
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SO MANY FAIRIES
STARTER FAIRY
GUARDIAN FAIRIES
FAIRY SMASH
ALSO COSMOG IS GREAT
ALOLAN PERSIAN LOOKS LIKE GARFIELD AHAHAH
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GUARDIAN OF ALOLAAAAA
SMASH
Send help I can't stop
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love that ending music, but the silent man's redesign is a bit... off to me?
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love that ending music, but the silent man's redesign is a bit... off to me?
Yeah I get you, when that reveal happened all I did was wonder who they commissioned to do that redesign and why doesn't it look as good as HGSS boy.
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Here (http://i.imgur.com/MUlVzKe.jpg) is (apparently) a list of version exclusives.
I have Moon preordered, and I think I'm gonna stick with it.
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>grandpadragon in moon
noooooooooooooooo
>goomy line
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
;;
(i'm sticking with sun though, dog day forme is important)
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I have no words, no words to describe this pure anger. Why does Europe get the games 5 days latter!? This is horrible for people who don't want to be spoiled, and as it is there are already " pokemon sun moon final boss videos " because while surfing the web i have already spoiled myself thanks to some random youtube channel having spoilers in their thumbnail! There are ALREADY roms of the games out in the open!
Chances are European people who don't want to be spoiled may have to refrain from using the internet for 5 days... until we beat the game...
GAMEFREAK ARE YOU WATCHING!?
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Someone with Sun needs to get me an Ice Fairy Vulpix ;;
I have no words, no words to describe this pure anger. Why does Europe get the games 5 days latter!? This is horrible for people who don't want to be spoiled, and as it is there are already " pokemon sun moon final boss videos " because while surfing the web i have already spoiled myself thanks to some random youtube channel having spoilers in their thumbnail! There are ALREADY roms of the games out in the open!
Chances are European people who don't want to be spoiled may have to refrain from using the internet for 5 days... until we beat the game...
GAMEFREAK ARE YOU WATCHING!?
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It's literally five days, chill out. That's pretty quick for EU speed <<
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Someone with Sun needs to get me an Ice Fairy Vulpix ;;
It's literally five days, chill out. That's pretty quick for EU speed <<
Granted, you are right, thankfully, its not Yo-kai Watch or else we would've only gotten Sun and Moon demo in 2018 :wat:
Why just why does Europe get the shaft with so many game releases...
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I have no words, no words to describe this pure anger. Why does Europe get the games 5 days latter!? This is horrible for people who don't want to be spoiled, and as it is there are already " pokemon sun moon final boss videos " because while surfing the web i have already spoiled myself thanks to some random youtube channel having spoilers in their thumbnail! There are ALREADY roms of the games out in the open!
Chances are European people who don't want to be spoiled may have to refrain from using the internet for 5 days... until we beat the game...
GAMEFREAK ARE YOU WATCHING!?
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to do with what days our stores restock on, choice on whether to have digital version out before physical or not, or piss off retailers.
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Granted, you are right, thankfully, its not Yo-kai Watch or else we would've only gotten Sun and Moon demo in 2018 :wat:
Why just why does Europe get the shaft with so many game releases...
You sure it's not Yokai Watch? /s
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Someone with Sun needs to get me an Ice Fairy Vulpix ;;
YAAAY VULPIX IS IN SUN! I CHOSE CORRECTLY!
I'll get you one. Vuplixes for all!
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Traditionally I only use new mons for the first game in each generation, so version exclusives don't matter as much to me (Alolan forms wouldn't count here, though I like Alolan Ninetales and Sandslash about the same anyway). Then again, I started leaning towards Moon a long time ago when the version legendaries were revealed, and nothing's changed that so far, so yeah.
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The only exclusive I'm disappointed to miss out on if I get Moon is Vulpix, and ccool's got me covered there. Meanwhile Moon has Lilligant and Metagross, so I'm very happy with that.
i will have the world's strongest tsareena and lilligant team no one will stop me
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Here (http://i.imgur.com/MUlVzKe.jpg) is (apparently) a list of version exclusives.
I have Moon preordered, and I think I'm gonna stick with it.
Wait so Sun gets Flygon while Moon gets Goodra; a Psuedo?
Seems fair.
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YOU BEST BE NOT TALKIN SHIT ABOUT DAT FLYGON
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I have a shiny Flygon. It's... Bad.
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I like some of the Sun exclusives (prefer Solgaleo for one, plus that buff bug thing) but Metagross is a VERY strong reason for me to think of Moon anyway.
Eh, I'm probably winding up with it at Christmas so whichever I get I can trade for what I want out of the other so I guess it's fine.
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I have a shiny Flygon. It's... Bad.
Actually legit one of my favorite shinies.
It's like someone spray-painted some turquoise on that bugger. The tail is fabulous.
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YOU BEST BE NOT TALKIN SHIT ABOUT DAT FLYGON
Flygon is cool; but it's not a Puesdo.
Especially since according to the datamines Flygon finally got something it's wanted for YEARS... Flygon finally can use Dragon Dance
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YAAAY VULPIX IS IN SUN! I CHOSE CORRECTLY!
I'll get you one. Vuplixes for all!
WELP I KNOW WHICH VERSION I'LL BE GETTING
...eventually
......I still have to beat World of Final Fantasy oops
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WELP I KNOW WHICH VERSION I'LL BE GETTING
...eventually
......I still have to beat World of Final Fantasy oops
Don't you have that on PS4? Just play both :V
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Yes but if I wait a few weeks I might be able to get it used for cheaper :V
ON THE OTHER HAND the Amazon Prime discount is probably just as well so..... hmmmmmmmm........
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Yes but if I wait a few weeks I might be able to get it used for cheaper :V
ON THE OTHER HAND the Amazon Prime discount is probably just as well so..... hmmmmmmmm........
I still has ?20 from a giftcard left on Amazon that I had completely forgot I even had and I didn't buy for myself. I think it was from my Uncle?
So I'm getting the game for ?12.
On the other hand I get it a week after most of you. Global release is tomorrow. EU release is a week.
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On the other hand I get it a week after most of you. Global release is tomorrow. EU release is a week.
The regular global release is on the 18th, not the 16th.
But on that note, anybody got any wild last-minute theories or ideas they'd like to see before Sun and Moon come out? (I hear roms of Moon slipped out a while ago, so if anyone has seen that and knows what's actually in it, I ask you please keep it to yourself)
Some time after Ash-Greninja was revealed for the demo, I realized that it and the Ultra Beasts share the whole idea of "creature that looks like its trainer". My theory going into the release is that the Ultra Beasts will have some relation to the Battle Bond ability as well, be it from Pokemon or something else (they're already alien enough, so who knows).
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welp at the encouragement of MJP that I should buy more things for myself I went and preordered Sun
WELCOME TO VULPIX TOWN
POPULATION: ME (soon)
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... Wow they really kind of screwed over moon dog. Worse stats and worse moveset. :(
At least he looks cool!
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ALSO I just saw salandit/salazzle and I want a smug chucklefuck lizard in my life, this thing is great
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They keep using the female character when they show the Z-moves. Kind of annoying, because I'm thinking of getting this game, and if I do I need to know if the male character poses anywhere as much when performing Z-moves. I think I saw one video with him, and was not impressed.
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To be honest i think the dance moves are kinda cringy... some of them look cool though such as Primarina Goku and i wonder how strong Solgaleo and Lunala's Z moves are, its clear they have them and i bet that it's Moongeist Beam and Sunsteel Strike.
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I had to check 1 thing on Serebii.
The gender ratio of the Popplio line.
It's the same as every other starter. [87.5% male]
Primarina is the new Gardevoir as poster child of 'pokemon with wrong gender ratios' based on design [Well; that and female Machamps]. And Gardevoir was so bad they made Gallade...
I mean seriously I get making a starter with a design to appeal to the female audience but at least bother to invert it's gender ratio.
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The gender ratio of the Popplio line.
It's the same as every other starter. [87.5% male]
Stealth marketing for Yuri On Ice.
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I fail to see why a predominately male Pok?mon species having a more feminine design is such a big deal.
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I fail to see why gender ratio is a thing at all. Maybe I'm just ignorant of biology. Are there any sexually reproducing animals with an 87.5% gender imbalance? Insects maybe? Or is that actually common among different kinds of animals?
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I fail to see ehy gender ratio is a thing at all. Maybe I'm just ignorant of biology. Are there any sexually reproducing animals with an 87.5% gender imbalance? Insects maybe? Or is that actually common among different kinds of animals?
I know that some species of whiptail lizards can have all-female populations, but I'm not sure if that kind of thing is common in the animal world.
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I fail to see why gender ratio is a thing at all. Maybe I'm just ignorant of biology. Are there any sexually reproducing animals with an 87.5% gender imbalance? Insects maybe? Or is that actually common among different kinds of animals?
My guess: when they introduced genders in Gold/Silver they wanted to up the chances of the starter's sex matching the MC and from then on it stuck.
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I suspect it was simply to make starters harder to get. Fewer females in circulation = fewer eggs, and thus your starter feels more "special".
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to be fair
They tied female Pok?mon to having lower Attack IVs in generation 2; having a female starter meant your attack was in the bottom 1/8th possible
So that's a thing
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Holy shit, that's... a thing
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Holy shit, that's... a thing
It's a bit less blatant than it sounds, iirc.
It's mostly them taking the easy way out and making the same few numbers define like 3 different things :v (Same value also calculated shinies, so on that same note, some shinies could literally never be female.)
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yeah the shiny gyarados in G/S was guaranteed to have pretty good IVs all around because of that
G/S had to do all sorts of size shortcuts in order to fit both Kanto/Johto, etc etc
Edit: so I'm waiting in line at Nintendo NY for the midnight release
This is pretty hype not gonna lie
Though they didn't give as many goods as they did for the X/Y launch three years ago
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Pokemon Sun acquired. Ten-year-old commandercool would be so proud of 24-year-old commandercool for seeing a new Harry Potter movie and buying a new Pokemon game within minutes of each other.
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As expected, the line at the GameStop on campus got really long really quick. At 10 PM it was okay, but by 10:30 it got long enough that people who just came by gave up. Got my copy of Sun 47 minutes after midnight.
Now to actually play it...
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Post your friend codes as they become available (not sure the mechanism for how that works in this game yet) and I'll add them to the OP.
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Pokemon Moon get! Man, to think the last time I got a new Pokemon game on release day was over five years ago. Actually feels even longer than that given all that's happened in that time, but I digress. I don't know about the rest of you, but it's time to #GetLit. :V
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Don't have a 3DS, so I'm watching Werster's playthrough right now. He even picked best Popplio! This game has some great dumb moments and I'm excluding Team Skull. :V
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Stealth marketing for Yuri On Ice.
As someone who enjoys Yuri, hearing of Yuri on Ice has led me to believe it is the most misleading title ever.
Anyway, I'll be picking this up tonight. I'ma start with Popplio!
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As someone who enjoys Yuri, hearing of Yuri on Ice has led me to believe it is the most misleading title ever.
Anyway, I'll be picking this up tonight. I'ma start with Popplio!
The name is ... definitely a little misleading, but the show is actually great.
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2016-11-18T08:52:49-0800 <aUsernameIsFineToo> @choose 1 2 or 3
2016-11-18T08:52:50-0800 <@Keine-tan> aUsernameIsFineToo: I choose...3! ^_^V
The cow has spoken, and I have chosen Popplio!
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It's a shame I can't get the game. Released on my birthday, too. My brother has X and all my friends have ORAS. I wanna get in the times dammit :qq:
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Bad news: I apparently didn't preorder the game.
Good news: The Gamestop I went to had a dual pack containing Sun and Moon, as well as an ingame code for 200 Pokeballs.
...I also think I have some strange connection to Youtube LPer ProJared now. I planned on making my Moon playthrough a blind Nuzlocke run, and just as I was getting off from work...A Youtube notification pops up, saying he's also doing a Nuzlocke of Moon. Just...Wow. I knew meeting him at PRGE was quite the surprise, but I'm starting to think our destinies are intertwined in some strange, Suikoden II-esque fashion (just with less blood and drama).
I'm also surprised at the amount of Poppilo lovers here on the thread. Poppi's cute, and I tend to go for water-type starters, but Litten won my heart over as soon as I saw it. Rowlet's not that bad either! Ahhh, one of my few times where each of the starters are too cute or useful to pick between...But I'm gonna stick with Litten for my first playthrough. I'll post notes on my Nuzlocke Run when appropriate.
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I'll wait until Christmas as per usual. I'll definitely be getting Moon and going for Rowlet though.
At least I can tide myself over with Bravely Second for the moment.
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Popplio was actually the one I didn't like from the start, but I loved Brionne and Primarina. I'm a sucker for fairy types.
The name is ... definitely a little misleading, but the show is actually great.
Ah yeah, I've heard it's fantastic.
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Got me a Rowlet. I'm weak against owls.
HURRY UP AND LET ME PLAY DRESSUP, GAME
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HURRY UP AND LET ME PLAY DRESSUP, GAME
The dressup options are... Really good.
So many ugly Hawaiian prints.
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Not arriving in the mail until tomorrow, it was originally not coming until Tuesday but MJP just got the update email
Amazon bb y u do
:ohdear:
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Not arriving in the mail until tomorrow, it was originally not coming until Tuesday but MJP just got the update email
Amazon bb y u do
:ohdear:
Everyone else in my household made fun of me for not pre-ordering on Amazon. Guess who has his game right now and who doesn't.
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Oh man this game has wonder trade
Time to spend endless hours trading shit for no reason
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Everyone else in my household made fun of me for not pre-ordering on Amazon. Guess who has his game right now and who doesn't.
I imagine your face looked somewhat like Bonnie's (http://i.imgur.com/vjyynee.png) face here when you got your copy first. :D
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Whew, taking Mustache Dog around to check for items took a while longer than I thought. And who knew
a Zygarde Cell was just chillin' in your room the whole time like a boss
? :V
Anyway, made it up to the location of the second trial at the end of day 1, though I haven't gone in there yet. It's early, but I'm liking the game so far. My first impressions:
- Hard to tell what other kinds of mechanics changes may have been made beyond things revealed in trailers, so everything still feels mostly the same as in Gen 6, which isn't a bad thing. Though I noticed poison and burns now do a lot less damage per turn - maybe Nintendo's answer to people attempting to stall opponents out in single player? I could see that being tempting for Totem Pokemon otherwise.
- Well, Z-moves are a thing. I know they're supposed to be used only once per battle, but given how few Pokemon the CPU opponents tend to have early on, that weakness doesn't really come up much. Especially when you have a 140 base power Fighting Z-move off Brick Break (iirc this is the earliest I've seen Brick Break be available on its own too, which is nuts).
- I've heard that the story and characters end up being really good, and I'm seeing the early stages of that play out. Team Skull is too much fun, and I'm anxious to see where the character arcs go.
- On the flip side, I'm not really feeling the music in this game. Like, at all. Again, it's early, so hopefully this'll change as I hear new tunes, but what I've heard so far just doesn't sound that interesting. Doesn't help that each island seems to have its own leitmotif, so you end up hearing the same melodies everywhere, which kinda hurts the variety and ends up making each region pretty hit-or-miss.
- I don't really have much to say about any of the new Pokemon that hasn't already been said, since quite a few were revealed before release. The only brand new mon I've seen is Trumbeak
, Pikipek's first evolution. But I ended up swapping it out not long after evolving it since I already had Wingull and it didn't seem that strong to begin with (at least not at this stage).
Here's my team just before the second trial:
- Torracat: Lv. 20
- Grubbin: Lv. 18
- Crabrawler: Lv. 18
- Fomantis: Lv. 15
- Magnemite: Lv. 16
- Wingull: Lv. 15
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I had my doubts about Wishiwashi, but I can say that this guy rolls through npcs.
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So how long until I get to catch a Vulpix this is important
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Me and wolf roomie played drunk Pokemon last night. We're having a blast right now, even though we've both barely scratched the surface of the game.
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So how long until I get to catch a Vulpix this is important
I still haven't found it yet. Sandygast either. Would ve just my luck that they're both postgame-only or something... Will let you know as soon as I find Vulpix, anyway.
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Wonder Trade -> Litten
WE IN BUSINESS NOW
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Meanwhile: i still haven't beaten the first trial because festival plaza is fun help (also I really want to make my pichu become pikachu already)
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I finished my Let's Watch of the game yesterday and I have to say, it really charmed me, despite how I tend to be a snob about these new gen Nintendo games and how amateurish they are. The new gameplay elements (trials, Z moves, etc.) are an awesome addition to the franchise both in theory and in practice, and the main characters have their place despite how they're written at the end of the day. There's a lot of love put into the game from the lower levels of the dev team and it shows. I'm happy I forced myself to experience the game, since I never really had the chance to do it with XY and I didn't watch full playthroughs either. My love for the franchise has rekindled a bit, even if it's only catering to its fans at this point. <3
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(also I really want to make my pichu become pikachu already)
UGH. Level 18 and still Pichu. Kill me.
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UGH. Level 18 and still Pichu. Kill me.
Yeah, that's the fear. There's SUPPOSEDLY a festival house that can give friendship but i've yet to find it.
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Alright. The fire challenge (challenge four I think)
made me laugh my ass off. That may have been the funniest thing I've ever seen in a Pokemon game, and these games tend to be really silly.
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Alright. The fire challenge (challenge four I think) made me laugh my ass off. That may have been the funniest thing I've ever seen in a Pokemon game, and these games tend to be really silly.
Yeah, I loved just how it plays with our expectations. The first dance is like "oh that's about as easy as I expected, let's see how much harder this gets", then the second dance is like "wait what the hell is that dude doing there?"
Then the third dance is like "surprise motherfucker it's the Totem Pokemon!"
So good. :V Takes some of the sting out of the fight if you're not fully prepared for it lol.
It's getting way too late, so I stopped fishing futilely for Corsola on Route 9, just before the second kahuna's hometown. I gotta say, these Totem Pokemon are adding some real challenge that this series hasn't seen in a long time. The 2-on-1s are already potentially nasty enough, but all the support capabilities I'm seeing out of the summoned mons are crazy. Things like Alomomola healing Totem Wishiwashi back up
and Castform using Sunny Day to give Totem Lurantis free Solar Blades and stronger healing
just take these fights to the next level. I wonder if future fights will even get any easier as I start getting stronger mons and moves, like in previous gens.
Team update after day 2. Originally I didn't want too many really slow mons on my team, but I decided to add Mudbray for his Ground and (eventual) Steel coverage, which my planned team was sorely lacking.
- Torracat: Lv. 26
- Charjabug: Lv. 23
- Crabrawler: Lv. 23
- Mudbray: Lv. 23
- Wingull: Lv. 22
- Magnemite: Lv. 18
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I just want to point out how awesome Ribombee is
60/55/60/95/70/125 is pretty optimized for 464 BST, but damn that movepool. Quiver Dance, Roost, Moonblast, Dazzling Gleam, Bug Buzz, Pollen Puff, U-Turn...
Learning a signature move with 90/100 Bp/Acc at level 25 is hella cool too
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Learning a signature move with 90/100 Bp/Acc at level 25 is hella cool too
That move is Psychic with more PP -and- gives a heal in doubles. Crazy.
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Fifteen calls for help. That Wishiwashi called for help fifteen times.
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Fifteen calls for help. That Wishiwashi called for help fifteen times.
Yeeeah, this mechanic can go straight to hell.
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Haven't played pokemon since Gen 5, and have been getting back into it now. Surprised they let you find Eevee in the wild o.o Been having a lot of fun, though!
Just beat the second trial against that Totem Wishiwashi. Was surprisingly tough, but I beat it on my second try by making sure it couldn't use its berry (and to not kill that first ally; the alomomola that comes later is a pain in the ass). Echoed Voice + Pluck at mid-health made it pretty easy, actually :v
Yeeeah, this mechanic can go straight to hell.
On the bright side, it lets you get the pokemon of the gender you're looking for, provided you stall enough. :V
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It's kinda cool watching people bitch about the
Water trial, or the Fire trial, or the Grass trial
according to their starter. It's a pretty braindead idea for the second island but it's effective because of the difficulty.
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Fifteen calls for help. That Wishiwashi called for help fifteen times.
Yeeeah, this mechanic can go straight to hell.
Supposedly paralysis and sleep both stop the mon from calling for help; perhaps carry something with Thunder Wave or Stun Spore around?
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Alright. The fire challenge (challenge four I think) made me laugh my ass off. That may have been the funniest thing I've ever seen in a Pokemon game, and these games tend to be really silly.
The second island overall is the funniest damn thing ever. From Lana trolling the hell out of you to Kiawe's dance to Mallow's cooking challenge
it's been a real blast. I also love how Team Skull is just a bunch of losers to the point that the people they're trying to intimidate don't even take them seriously.
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blergh
Game I just want a female salandit without a completely awful nature, why is this so hard :|
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FInally got the damn friendship Parlor. I have no idea how easily those with me friended can ACCESS it for all my work, but I'm gonna atleast try and fill my festival plaza with good shit eventually.
I -like- Plaza, but the randomness of facilities is too much of a factor. I'm assuming which facility is your reccomendation is random when asked (Maybe weighing towards higher star rarities), and that only works if it assumes everyone plays plaza (HInt, they don't.). Thus, best way to get shit is from rankups- Which while not too tedious, can get boring due to the most efficient method in every possible way being 'Just do type matchup'.
But hey, the food did the trick and I have both Nasty Plot and Electro ball on a Pikachu and that's gonna be good fun. I didn't even use it on obligatory first boss.
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OH MY GOD GUYS
THIS IS HUGE
THE TEAM SKULL BOSS SWITCHED OUT OF A BAD MATCHUP.
Does this game have... SMART AI?
I mean granted he had just used Swords Dance with his weird freaky bug creature and then he switched which isn't greeeat, but he actually gave me just a little trouble with his two Pokemon because he didn't play like a total dunce. I am so on board with this.
Edit: Also, I think Vulpix is near. I can feel Vulpix being near...
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(http://i.imgur.com/WIfIEhG.jpg)
YES!
Farmed Vulpixes for all after I get home from work tomorrow.
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OH MY GOD GUYS
THIS IS HUGE
THE TEAM SKULL BOSS SWITCHED OUT OF A BAD MATCHUP.
Does this game have... SMART AI?
I mean granted he had just used Swords Dance with his weird freaky bug creature and then he switched which isn't greeeat, but he actually gave me just a little trouble with his two Pokemon because he didn't play like a total dunce. I am so on board with this.
Edit: Also, I think Vulpix is near. I can feel Vulpix being near...
1. Guzma's fuglybug has an ability that ejects it out of battle if it goes under 50% health. Comically horrible ability on slow mons, and that thing has 40 base HP! It's even funnier that he uses Swords Dance.
2. A friend said an AI from the game had to choose who to switchi into battle after a KO, so it chose a type-disadvantageos mon just so it could Whirlwind away stat boosts. There have certainly been some buffs to the AI, which is awesome.
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Farmed Vulpixes for all after I get home from work tomorrow.
You are a hero and a scholar.
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Sad little easter egg:
There's a Pokemon Breeder in the cemetery named Ikue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikue_%C5%8Ctani) who fights you with a Pikachu. Her defeat text is "Pikaa...". She then goes on to say her Pikachu died and she speaks to it with its own words.
Also, I really don't like the time shift in Moon. It feels unnecessary and just downright strange for the time to be opposite of what time it actually is IRL.
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Also, I really don't like the time shift in Moon. It feels unnecessary and just downright strange for the time to be opposite of what time it actually is IRL.
I think that whether or not it is a problem depends on when you typically play the game. Moon seems to have more special events during the game's night, such as fights and evolutions, while Sun has them during the day. Me and wolf roomie found it really convenient when trying to level up and evolve certain Pok?mon.
EDIT: That said, it is really inconvenient for the people that have to work and so will miss part of their day cycle at least five times out of a week.
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Alright, I'm home and have ten extra Vulpixes. Anybody who wants one is welcome to one.
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Woo, vulpix city up ins.
Thanks again!
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Daaang, Mimikyu is rare as fuck. Took me like 45 minutes to find one.
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Haven't gotten to play much over the past couple days because of work and other things, so not much has changed since my last update. Tomorrow's a traveling day for me though, so I'll get some chances to get back in the swing of things. Just finished up Malie City tonight and am about to go to Route 10 for the next trial.
Daaang, Mimikyu is rare as fuck. Took me like 45 minutes to find one.
That's nothin'. I've spent hours trying to fish up Chinchou and Staryu on Akala Island, to no avail. Am I just getting really unlucky or something?
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I read that Bagon has a 1% drop rate on Route 3. Since I'm making a point of catching everything possible in an area before continuing, this is gonna be a pain. I wish there was some way to skip all of the battle start animations. They get longer and longer with every generation. Makes grinding and hunting super tedious.
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Tomorow the game comes out and i was hoping you guys could tell me if Wishywashi is good or not ;) :3
EDIT: Also what do you guys think of the difficulty because i'm worried it will be too easy :ohdear:
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EDIT: Also what do you guys think of the difficulty because i'm worried it will be too easy :ohdear:
From what I've heard so far... like you in Europe so no game yet.
The call for support thing, that was shown with the totem-mon in the demo can cause serious trouble.
Also pleanty of reports of X/Y/Z wrecked me (you definitely need to balance your team out, possibly quite early on) and comments the AI had wised up a lot.
Also pokemon that learn moves on evolution were bugged, for cases where they would learn a move that level. (e.g. abra->kadabra)
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Totem mons will wreck your crew if you're missing the slightest nuances, if that's anything.
Trying to use a ghost type on the first trial, for example, just gets infinite Bites and Pursuits from two mons at once, and you can't even switch out because Pursuit.
I know many folk who had trouble with the grass totem (who picked either Decidueye or Primarina, naturally) because of its ally setting up Sunny Day while it uses instant charge Solar Blades
(and it even has a Power Herb to surprise you if you don't let Sunny Day get set!)
Wishiwashi is quite good, but one-dimensional. If you need a strong water type, you assuredly can't go wrong with giving Wishiwashi the Scald TM and Waterium crystal you get in the same area as itself
.
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PSA: There seems to be a weird bug that corrupts your save file if you save your game inside a Pok?mon Center or inside Battle Tree.
Proof (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4SfwWwdrfM&feature=youtu.be) (as well as tumblr and r/Pokemon). Lumiose's Alola version.
Keep that in mind.
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I've had a Wishiwashi in my party since I could find one. They're lots of fun and get surprisingly good coverage from what I've seen.
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I'm crying (http://kotaku.com/pokemon-sun-and-moon-players-busted-after-bug-turns-out-1789283518).
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I'm crying (http://kotaku.com/pokemon-sun-and-moon-players-busted-after-bug-turns-out-1789283518).
Whew, that's a relief. I was just about ready to be seriously disappointed in Nintendo for letting this happen again after the Lumiose City save bug in X/Y. Glad to hear it wasn't them who fucked up.
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Finally i have Pokemon Moon on my 2DS... :V
Well tomorow i'll start it up because itttss waaaayyyy too late for me :(
I hope the game is harder than ORAS.
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Pokemon has never been hard outside of the obtuse as fuck things you have to do to unlock the Regis in gen 3, and that was just unfair :v
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I mean, that said, this is the hardest game in the franchise. It's still not hard, it's super easy, but you at least have to try A LITTLE.
I'm getting into the real story content now, and I will never, NEVER get tired of the game cutting to my goof-ass character in the middle of tense moments. The clothes in this game are... Too good.
Also holy shit, Mimikyu is amazing. He's going to be a force in competitive. The way he interacts with Knock Off is great. He doesn't take damage but does lose his item, so when he gets hit again once Disguise is broken the damage will be reduced. Good stuff.
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alolan grimer is a terror and i love this thing and i hope he never stops being good
come with me you beautiful mess, i'll rename you to someone still terrible but less soon enough
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So I set up my Incineroar for a strong attack with Malicious Moonsault, only to forget to get rid of Totem Mimikyu's disguise first. I don't care that I still won easily, I'm a terrible trainer. >.<
But yeah, that's the sixth trial down, though I'm stopping the story for now until I can find a Mimikyu of my own. Here's my team (haven't really used the last two in forever though lol):
- Incineroar: Lv. 35
- Charjabug: Lv. 33
- Crabrawler: Lv. 32
- Mudsdale: Lv. 34
- Pelipper: Lv. 27
- Magnemite: Lv. 22
Also Guzma's theme is amazing. Finally a battle theme I can stand listening to.
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So I set up my Incineroar for a strong attack with Malicious Moonsault, only to forget to get rid of Totem Mimikyu's disguise first. I don't care that I still won easily, I'm a terrible trainer. >.<
I did the same damn thing. I couldn't stop laughing at how much I derped.
I actually have a huge roster of pokemon that I swap between, particularly between champion challenges. Currently I'm at a place where I can't see the levels of my PC'd pokemon, but they're all between 29 and 38.
Current team:
Mimikyu lv 35
Alakazam lv 36
Parasect lv 37
Hariyama lv 36
Lycanroc (Midnight) lv 34
Incineroar lv 44 (he's never left my party, so he's been getting shared EXP constantly)
My reserve party pokemon are as follows: Lycanroc (Midday) (yes I know I have two of the same species fight me), Lurantis, Raichu, Muk, Marowak, Sylveon, and Gengar. I should probably pick up a Water type some time, but none of them have really been calling out to me yet.
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E4 is pretty hard when you're five levels underleveled. This is probably the first game I've actually had to use X items to get through it. Nuzlocke was also fine until E4.
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E4 is pretty hard when you're five levels underleveled.
Interesting. Most of the time I breeze through the E4 while 8~10 underleveled.
That said; in Kalos I kept up with the level curve more or less even without the Share; and when in Play S/M later today once it arrives; it'll be 90% blind.
As long as the E4 are less of a joke than Kalos'. I swear; Kalos had the hardest regular trainers but joke bosses.
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I just reached the second island after 10 hours of playing and all I can say is that I'm totally in love with this Pok?mon.
Got Brionne, Snorlax and Petilil at level 20. I kinda dislike how the game guides you were to go but I'm somewhat okay with that.
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As long as the E4 are less of a joke than Kalos'. I swear; Kalos had the hardest regular trainers but joke bosses.
My team was pretty slow due to what I picked up along the way, and was woefully unprepared for Fluffy Bewears. 2HKO with Hammer Arm against my Skarmory, itemless Acrobatics from Archeops did like 30%.
It would have probably been a lot easier if I had some faster Pokemon, or better setup sweepers. I definitely notice that the AI has gotten better. I forget if it was this good in XY/ORAS but I had a Magnezone switch into my Sludge Wave and priority moves used against me when they mattered. When matchups were good, the game was still easy, but when I had no resist, boy was it hard not losing anyone.
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I just reached the second island after 10 hours of playing and all I can say is that I'm totally in love with this Pok?mon.
Got Brionne, Snorlax and Petilil at level 20. I kinda dislike how the game guides you were to go but I'm somewhat okay with that.
It's better than everything being a straight line right? Kalos was the FF13 of Pokemon.
Anyway; it's out in Europe! I have it! My OCD is making me look and look for this Driftloon an NPC wants to see but I can't find a Driftloon! I'm amazed at some of the stuff you can find early. Misdrevus has really come full circle from being hilariously late in Jhoto.
Also Gamefreak just won't let Zubat be good at low levels. They replaced Leech Life with Absorb...
Also man there's quite a few water-types to give Popplio competition early...
Edit: Oh Driftloon is day only. We're back to Day/Night encounters and I have Moon. Makes sense. Now I'm going to stop looking at catch lists because I looked at Route 1 and almost went crazy at the number of things I didn't run into and my first run is usually a 'catch what you see make it work from there' thing.
Edit: Team Skull is best team. 'I have self-esteem issues yo'
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It only took FOREVER and a half of chaining, but I finally got my
Snow Warning Vulpix
for posterity (http://i.imgur.com/pf8qhSJ.jpg)
Now to get a Smeargle with Freeze-Dry and Moonblast so I can finally start putting this together...
I suppose if I wanted to pull together a ~hail~ team it would involve Ninetales, Slush Rush Sandslash, and something to kill the inevitable fire and steel types. Hmm
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OK Hala just proved to me how much better the AI is.
He withdrew his Makuhita from my Misdrevus; and then proceeded to spam Leer... and then used Pursuit and almost OHKO'ed me [1HP left]. I'm sure the AI was trying to make me think it could do nothing then as soon as it had a chance to OHKO tried to.
Currently got Litten/Cutifly/Misdrevus/Slowpoke/Yungoos/Magnemite. Basically a mix of new stuff and stuff I've not used before. Alola is really surprising me with the sheer number of earlygame mons that are not earlygame in other games.
Also Cutifly is surprisingly awesome.
As I explored Route 3 I saw a cave and I'm wondering how to get there... I'm sure I'll find out eventually.
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OK Hala just proved to me how much better the AI is.
Thanks to him I've been grinding and leveling up my team for longer than I'd imagined. The trainer AI has definitely improved, and by a lot.
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Speaking of grinding; I'm more scared of the wilds than the actual trainers now.
Calls for Help man. Especially annoying when you're trying to catch something. I have a Leftovers on my Slowpoke now at least from a Munchlax.
Glaceon ran a train over me and I hardly beat it. And I had Litten and Magnemite...
Igglybuff called for help Igglybuff appeared. Igglybuff fainted! Igglybuff #2 called for help! Igglybuff appeared! Igglybuff fainted! Igglybuff #3 called for help! Jigglypuff appeared! The ride never ends.
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Igglybuff called for help Igglybuff appeared. Igglybuff fainted! Igglybuff #2 called for help! Igglybuff appeared! Igglybuff fainted! Igglybuff #3 called for help! Jigglypuff appeared! The ride never ends.
They're getting BIGGER! Do an experiment, let them keep going. Figure out where the end of the line is.
Kaiju Wigglytuff
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Is every Totem pokemon going to run a truck through my team?
Also TM Scald this early and right before Waterium Z. My Slowpoke grows ever stronger. And changes it's item again. At least until the novelty of Slowpoke; destroyer of worlds wears off.
Also a huge selling point for Popplio which probobly makes up for the early water competition.
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(https://danbooru.donmai.us/data/__lillie_pokemon_pokemon_game_and_pokemon_sm_drawn_by_kanikama__b7771717a979b2127221c37b21f3a280.jpg)
Team Skull is rapidly becoming my favorite villain team. They're such dorky losers, then when you get to the abandoned village they become both somewhat threatening and somewhat pitiable.
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Is every Totem pokemon going to run a truck through my team?
The ones you don't have a good matchup with yes. Especially any which summon actually threatening aid Pokemon. Totem Mimikyu is an absolute pain with a slow team.
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So i just got to the begining of the 3rd trial and my current team consists of
- Dartrix
- Cutiefly ( I have to say that i am impressed with how strong she is )
-Wishiwashi ( It looks like Wishiwashi is a glass cannon who can dish out pain but sure can't take it )
- And a newly captured female Salandit ^~^ ( i almost had a heart attack because i was my first encounter in the area and female )
As of now i have no idea who will be the next Pokemon for my team, as i usually make my teams in the heat of the moment instead of planning beforehand
On the topic of Totem Pokemon i have to say i am impressed at how they handled it, i was afraid they were going to be as easy as the Totem Pokemon in the demo who goes down in 2 hits... but luckily that isn't the case!
I keep hearing about this scald tm next to the second trial, but i have yet to find it...
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I'm having such a hard time considering what I'd want my "ideal" final team/competitive team to be. I'm absolutely enamored with Fairy types, but having too many of them is obviously a bad idea, but I can't just choose one or two for the team :(
I also definitely want some good Psychic and Grass representation on my team too. Tsareena is a definite yes.
Maybe I should just use a roster of some of my favorites and just say fuck it to the conventional standards of team building, who knows. (Perhaps it should borrow from all of my stars from previous gens, like transferring my specially IV and EV-trained Togekiss from Pearl, my Sylveon from X, my Gardevoir from AS, etc.)
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Third island complete, including... what happens right after. Honestly I wasn't really surprised by the reveals, but at the same time I feel like not nearly enough setup was given to the villains for me to really care about them much. At least there's more to the story from here, but I worry how much game is even left to rectify that.
On the bright side, I finally have my full team! I'm so glad I decided to just look up how to find Bruxish, that definitely saved me countless hours of frustration lol.
- Incineroar: Lv. 41
- Charjabug: Lv. 38
- Crabrawler: Lv. 38
- Mudsdale: Lv. 40
- Mimikyu: Lv. 38
- Bruxish: Lv. 38
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It looks like Wishiwashi is a glass cannon who can dish out pain but sure can't take it
I wouldn't say its a glass cannon. It's not far off Toxapex stats, and more Spdef for less HP than Ferrothorn. The only thing stopping it from being a decent "bulky" water type is no reliable recovery outside of lefties (mind you the wish-passing utility wouldn't be there even with access to wish). A bit more HP would have made it pretty decent though.
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4 Totems down; each one running through my team.
The latest one despite me having Litten as my starter.
Also; today I learnt If you burn a Castform and it turns into a Fire-type; it remains burnt!
Hi my name is Hau and this is my ALOLAN RAICHU several levels higher than the last fight with ELECTRO BALL AND PSYCHIC. I wiped. Then it turns out you didn't even have to win that one.
Also Rimbobee is awesome.
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I beat Olivia's last mon with Ribombee today, it was amazing :3 who knew something so tiny could be so powerful with a move called Pollen Puff?
I ended up going to the Aether Foundation where UB-01 attacked and nearly killed off my entire party with Venoshock, starting with Ribombee :o that thing hits like a god damn truck, holy shit. It ran away when I sent out Lycanroc in an attempt to lower its accuracy. Lusamine is...creepy... :wat: I'm wondering how screwed up the Foundation is gonna be.
Discovered wild Araquanid in Malie Garden on Ula'ula, scared the crap out of me despite the fact I had one in my party in Moon.
Made my way up Mt. Hokulani for the next trial, which caught me off guard with Vikavolt (which I poisoned to death). Oricorio is a GOD SEND in Totem battles if you keep it in the Pom-Pom form. It makes the bosses weak with Feather Dance and resistance. :D I'm gonna feel the real difficultly once I change its form to Baile unfortunately...
Currently making my way down the mountain (after nearly getting killed by a Ditto using Ribombee's Pollen Puff on its allies and me to death) to take a break and get Moon up to this point.
Is anyone else feeling the difficulty with this game? I've noticed the A.I. seems a little smarter and the Totems feel hard like Colosseum/XD's bosses (granted that you do as little grinding as possible and not overlevel yourself that is). I've been doing Feather Dance/Sand-Attack/Toxic combos with Oricorio, Lycanroc and Mareanie since I keep loosing mons to the Totems and having to use up nearly every healing item in my bag to get everyone up. My only gripe so far is that trainers have so few pokemon, it feels underwhelming. Got my battle style on SET too, but it feels pointless with these trainers so far.
I'm liking the story so far, Colress and Prof. Burnet appearing was surprising
. I'm hoping it gets better.
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Is anyone else feeling the difficulty with this game?
100%. Even the wilds can kick your rear due to the S.O.S making 1v2's [It also really punishes you for using defensive pokemon who can't kill things fast].
And while the trainers don't have many pokemon, they're generally of good quality and combined with the improved AI [They outright seem to hide moves to catch you by surprise; for example; a Gyarados used Bite twice... then used Thrash to KO me when I thought I'd live, and a fighting-type spamming Leer until it almost OHKO'ed my Misdrevus with Faint Attack.]. I mean, one trainer that really beat me up was one with a l;v 21 Militank. That had Milk Drink. It was basically Whitney.
Every Totem so far has kicked by butt. Even with me having advantages.
Maybe I'm using pokemon who evolve and such too late. I mean, my team is pretty balanced; but only my Cutifly and Litten have evolved. Once I hit lv 30 my Magnemite evolves, but I have no clue where Dusk Stones are, Slowpoke evolves pretty late, and I'm using Formantis now and I don't know how that evolves either. [My team is Torracat/Rimbobee/Magnemite/Slowpoke/Misdrevus/Formantis]
And as I said in a spoiler; I wiped. In a regular run. No self-imposed rules. That's probobly not happened to me in 15 years.
Also I've experienced the AI pulling ridiculous luck off a lot as well. Against a trainer with a Psyduck; Psyduck Water Pulsed my Formantis and confused it [30%]; which proceeded to hit itself in confusion 3 times in a row [33% each time]; then missed Razor Leaf. And stuff like that's been happening quite a lot. It feels like Battle Facility level of AI luck sometimes...
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but I have no clue where Dusk Stones are [...] and I'm using Formantis now and I don't know how that evolves either
Until you get to the fourth island, your only source of Dusk Stones is a level 2 or higher Isle Aphun in Poke Pelago.
As for Fomantis, it evolves at level 34 during the day.
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Cosmog
evolves into the cover legendaries
? Whaaaaaaaaaa- *boom*
*ahem* Well, certainly wasn't expecting that. Well played Nintendo.
I decided to stop playing early tonight, but I'm up to the standard "catch the cover legendary" event you see in every game. I'm beginning to fear the majority of the story is out of the way at this point though, given how the most recent events were portrayed, but I'll see what's left first before I make any final judgments (imo it's not looking nearly as good as it could be, however).
My team before facing Lunala:
- Incineroar: Lv. 46
- Vikavolt: Lv. 43
- Crabrawler: Lv. 43
- Mudsdale: Lv. 45
- Mimikyu: Lv. 46
- Bruxish: Lv. 46
I'm surprised how well I was able to fare against Lusamine
both times, since I was always hovering around 5 levels lower and had a team of mostly slower mons. Admittedly I got lucky with confusion rolls and such, but when a game comes down to something like that against a player with lots of healing items, you know the opponent is already on thin ice lol.
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Fighting the
Elite Four
right now.
Super happy to see Aceralo again, she has so much character. Love her weird face.
One of the Elite Four is... A random golfer? What the fuck? That's realism for you I guess, it makes sense that you wouldn't necessarily know all of them, but that's a WEIRD call. Kind of love it.
Alright, who will the champion be? Hau? That emo kid? Lillie? Professor Sexdad? My money is on Professor Sexdad so we can see that unchosen starter on his team.
Ha ha yup.
Alright, beat the champion. That was reasonably hard, but not the hardest fight of the league (which was Kahili for me since I didn't really have solid options for several of her Pokemon).
My winning team was Decidueye/Mimikyu/Pallosand/Vulpix/Gumshoos/Solgaleo
Tried to avoid using Solgaleo and Vulpix as much as possible for the league, which meant I was kiiind of using a team of four, but I did use both when I needed to. Kahili got Solgaleo down to 1 HP so it's not like I just swept the league with a legendary. Mimikyu was definitely MVP. He's a real trooper.
On to the postgame-ish stuff! Still got plenty left to do, so I'm excited.
How are we going to fill our Pokedex slots for Type Null and Cosmog/Cosmeon? If there's a second Cosmog in the game does that mean we can get both legends in one game without trading? I thought Type Null was one of a kind, and it evolved offscreen (assuming Sylvally is an evolution of Type Null, which I guess I'm not positive it is?).
Edit: Nevermind, I un-beat the elite four
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This is arguably a spoiler, but I'm not tagging it because it's very important you all know this. If you REALLY don't want spoilers skip it, but there's a decent chance you'll be sorry.
You HAVE TO catch Tapu Koko immediately after becoming champion. With no ability to save. He is EXTREMELY hard to catch. He's electric, so no Thunder Wave. I chipped him down to red HP and spent 20+ Ultra Balls, 30+ Great Balls, and like 40 Pokeballs and didn't catch him. Then he Struggled himself to death.
So when you're preparing to fight the Elite Four, bring TONS of Pokeballs and your capture moves. You will not be able to save, and if you didn't save between each opponent (like me) you'll have to fight the ENTIRE Elite Four and the champion again if Tapu Koko decides he's not going to be catchable after all.
:colonveeplusalpha:
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if it's anything like X/Y, legendary mons respawn if you don't catch them if you redefeat the E4 so like
it's cool, i think
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:wat:
Well.
Good thing I reset my game and beat the Elite Four again.
:colonveeplusalpha:
(I had NO IDEA that was a mechanic. Well shit.)
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*Finds wild Beldum*
*Checks Serebii to see if Beldum's catch rate is still it's laughable 3*
Welp. Good thing I have a Misdrevus to tank Take Downs so it dosen't kill itself. I mean Catch Rate 3 is a legacy from Gen 3 where you couldn't catch it...
It was paralyzed and on red hp and I still couldn't catch it before it Struggled to death. Beldum is honestly the hardest pokemon to catch in the entire series between Take Down killing itself; Catch Rate 3 and only having Take Down before it Struggles.
Edit: Oh and Minior go boom. I can see this place being so FUN when I nuzlocke this. One basically uncatchable pokemon and another that blows itself up.
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I'm glad I had a Metang join me at random from the Beanstalk Pok? Pelago island then. :V
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How do you post spoilers? I ran into a bug that crashed my game twice and it involves a multi battle against someone in a spoiler location.
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[spoiler][/spoiler]
Bugs, eh?
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So i was in the Aether Paradise fighting Faba for the second time and my game froze when my Decidueye feel asleep and i was gonna give him an awekening, it actually happened 2 times, the first being absolutely demoralizing because i forgot to save and... well i went back to just before the second fight with Gladion in Aether House... the second time i was remembered to save because it might've happened again and surprise it did. Third time's the charm i suppose, i wonder have any of guys enconter this weird freeze?
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100%. Even the wilds can kick your rear due to the S.O.S making 1v2's [It also really punishes you for using defensive pokemon who can't kill things fast].
And while the trainers don't have many pokemon, they're generally of good quality and combined with the improved AI [They outright seem to hide moves to catch you by surprise; for example; a Gyarados used Bite twice... then used Thrash to KO me when I thought I'd live, and a fighting-type spamming Leer until it almost OHKO'ed my Misdrevus with Faint Attack.]. I mean, one trainer that really beat me up was one with a l;v 21 Militank. That had Milk Drink. It was basically Whitney.
Every Totem so far has kicked by butt. Even with me having advantages.
Maybe I'm using pokemon who evolve and such too late. I mean, my team is pretty balanced; but only my Cutifly and Litten have evolved. Once I hit lv 30 my Magnemite evolves, but I have no clue where Dusk Stones are, Slowpoke evolves pretty late, and I'm using Formantis now and I don't know how that evolves either. [My team is Torracat/Rimbobee/Magnemite/Slowpoke/Misdrevus/Formantis]
And as I said in a spoiler; I wiped. In a regular run. No self-imposed rules. That's probobly not happened to me in 15 years.
Also I've experienced the AI pulling ridiculous luck off a lot as well. Against a trainer with a Psyduck; Psyduck Water Pulsed my Formantis and confused it [30%]; which proceeded to hit itself in confusion 3 times in a row [33% each time]; then missed Razor Leaf. And stuff like that's been happening quite a lot. It feels like Battle Facility level of AI luck sometimes...
I beat that trainer with ease thanks to Sand-Attack, but I nearly got my ass handed to me twice by the old lady with the Carbink on the ranch route. Both of my Sun and Moon parties are heavily weak to Rock due to me strictly using new mons (no types to combat it at the time), which I've noticed tended to be extremely slow, or had lacking movepools (Oricorio only learns one move that is same as its form's type, but Pyukumu pissed me off since its a Water type with absolutely no STAB (nor attacking) moves period). Also nearly got wiped by the guy with the Alolan Muk near Malie City and the Veteran with the Z-move using Absol on the mountain after the Electric Totem.
I've managed to beat every totem on my first try though, going for the Ghost one currently. :D To counter the A.I., I've been using the Brightpowder (got an extra off of Wonder Trade lol) and Eviolite to keep my party alive, along with my move combos above. I can't even begin to imagine what the late game is gonna be like, and how the hell I'm gonna take on the UBs. (UB-01 is apparently weak to Water and used Psywave and Venoshock on my Moon playthrough to my surprise. I'm guessing you can't kill it since it ran away the moment I had an advantage.)
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Yeah, as much as I love Pyukumuku you *might* not want to use it in-game. That's like putting a Wobuffet on your team, only the AI is actually smarter now. It's a recipe for extremely slow gameplay. And Pyukumuku gets walled by stuff Wobuffet doesn't because I don't think it even gets Mirror Coat. I'm looking forward to abusing it on a real team as a Toxic spreader, but I wouldn't dare play through the story with it.
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Yeah, as much as I love Pyukumuku you *almost certainly do not* not want to use it in-game. That's like putting a Wobuffet on your team, only the AI is actually smarter now. It's a recipe for extremely slow gameplay. And Pyukumuku gets walled by stuff Wobuffet doesn't because I don't think it even gets Mirror Coat. I'm looking forward to abusing it on a real team as a Toxic spreader, but I wouldn't dare play through the story with it.
Fixed it.
Until lv 45 [Toxic] your only means of doing damage are Counter and Bide. And it probobly has forgotten the latter by the time you've caught it. [Route 7 ones MIGHT still have it; but only Lv 16 ones. Which won't have Counter yet] I'm not counting Pain Split since you can't KO anything with that; and same wih Innards out since; you know; you've fainted. And your HP is so low you might not actually have the HP to take something down anyway.
Oh; and that Z-moves. Absolute minimum power Z-Moves off 60 base attack [WHY DOES IT HAVE 60 BASE ATTACK] but hey.
At least Pyukumuku has Taunt to force things to hit it? But seriously Pukyumuku is basically a joke pokemon in-game.
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Yeah, as much as I love Pyukumuku you *might* not want to use it in-game. That's like putting a Wobuffet on your team, only the AI is actually smarter now. It's a recipe for extremely slow gameplay. And Pyukumuku gets walled by stuff Wobuffet doesn't because I don't think it even gets Mirror Coat. I'm looking forward to abusing it on a real team as a Toxic spreader, but I wouldn't dare play through the story with it.
Until lv 45 [Toxic] your only means of doing damage are Counter and Bide. And it probobly has forgotten the latter by the time you've caught it. [Route 7 ones MIGHT still have it; but only Lv 16 ones. Which won't have Counter yet] I'm not counting Pain Split since you can't KO anything with that; and same wih Innards out since; you know; you've fainted. And your HP is so low you might not actually have the HP to take something down anyway.
Oh; and that Z-moves. Absolute minimum power Z-Moves off 60 base attack [WHY DOES IT HAVE 60 BASE ATTACK] but hey.
At least Pyukumuku has Taunt to force things to hit it? But seriously Pukyumuku is basically a joke pokemon in-game.
Despite the faults, I think Pyukumuku could in theory be a lethal mon in the main story if you bought a lot of Revives and constantly sent it out so that Innards Out takes out chunks of HP from a boss that doesn't heal nor strictly use special moves (mine's got like 77 HP and does a decent job as a meat shield :V). I'm gonna keep using mine in Moon since the Komala I caught isn't suited for ghost types (Sucker Punch seems risky, and for some reason this mon takes a bit to level up, might be me though). I'm probably gonna replace it with a Drampa. Such a shame that it has to be such a gimmicky mon though, it's cute. :(
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Despite the faults, I think Pyukumuku could in theory be a lethal mon in the main story if you bought a lot of Revives and constantly sent it out so that Innards Out takes out chunks of HP from a boss that doesn't heal nor strictly use special moves (mine's got like 77 HP and does a decent job as a meat shield :V). I'm gonna keep using mine in Moon since the Komala I caught isn't suited for ghost types (Sucker Punch seems risky, and for some reason this mon takes a bit to level up, might be me though). I'm probably gonna replace it with a Drampa. Such a shame that it has to be such a gimmicky mon though, it's cute. :(
But like... WHY? That's such a waste of both time and money.
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okay so like
Destiny Knot costing 48 BP from the BATTLE ROYALE center is total bullshit considering that everything inside is pretty much already competitive shits with all their assault vests and Mega Stones and shits
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Ugh, these SOS exclusive Pokemon feel like more of a pain to find than they should be. Never mind all the research I had to do on the mechanics (including how the weather-based ones work), I get the feeling that Adrenaline Orbs have pretty much a negligible effect on how often enemies call for help - False Swiping them raises the chances much more than anything I've seen. If anything, they should make an item that lowers the chance they call for help for all those other times you're trying to catch something, because goddamn was Ditto a pain to catch at that point in the game. So yeah, though a good deal of my day was spent traveling, I'm still not done going back to catch some mons I apparently missed.
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Magneton looks so angry when it's using it's Z-Move.
Also why has the game gone from amazing wild variety to having Gumshoos and Mubrays on every route?
And can I stop oneshotting Alolan Geodudes?
Finally; Torkoal has Drought.
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grinded out the 48 BP for Destiny Knot
Started trying to breed a vulpix instead of hyper training it later (because fuck that)
Got a Timid Freeze Dry+Moonblast Vulpix with 31/X/31/31/31/31 IVs but it didn't inherit its parents' Snow Warning
is there anything else Sun exclusive y'all would like bred while I'm at this? I've already got setups for SOS chaining, Modest and Timid synchronize mons...
(Though I still need a Sandshrew...)
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So i just got Jangmo-o on my team... can i just say how late in the game you get it... Pony Island... by this point you have already beaten the 4th Kahuna and are about to start the league...
According to Jangmo-o's pokedex entry you should have also found him somewhere else, both mountains in Ula Ula Island it would fit since it's stated Jangmo-o's species prefer to live in mountains.
Oh did i forget to mention that Jangmo-o at that point are level 40 and up? You basically get little to no learn moves like that. And you can also potentially miss out on Kammo-o signiture move if you Jangmo-o was lvl 44... i was almost making this mistake however luckily my Ribombee KO'd him. Now i got a Kammo-o on the team... it is kinda unsatisfying that you get him like this :(
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And I'm now the Champion, wheeeeeee. I grinded everyone on my team up to Lv. 55 in preparation, and boy was that a smart move - definitely let my mons live a couple attacks they would've been killed on otherwise. I did get a bit worried when
Kukui's Primarina
came out though, as it was then I realized I didn't have any good resists for special Fairy attacks
on my team, and my first couple choices to take it out were still getting OHKO'd like it was nothing. Thankfully Bruxish came through in the clutch and got a 2HKO with Psychic Fangs.
Also this is a bit late commandercool, but Dusk Balls are your best friend. The fight against Tapu Koko
is indoors, so those'll work. You never want to use regular Ultra Balls if you can help it.
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Magneton; Laurantis; Inceniroar oh my!
I'll be blunt about the Litten line. It actually sucks. Until Litten evolved at lv 34 it's best move was Fire Fang. Even now it's slow as molasses and has quite a lot of weaknesses and honestly feels carried by the absolutely insane boost Lariat gets from the Incenium Z.
Oh; and Popplio gets a stupidly early TM Scald; while Rowlet gets Grass Knot early and Shadow Ball not too far from when it's evolving. Litten; meanwhile? Either I've missed a ton of TM's or it dosen't get any useful ones for ages. My Inceniroar still knows Scratch and Lick. That's how bad it's movepool is. I mean I guess you can patch up the speed a bit with Flame Charge; but then you're either running an even weaker fire move or doubleing up on fire moves...
Litten even got screwed on it's exclusive Z-Move... it only gets a +95 BP boost to 180; while Arrow Raid is a +100 [80->180] and Primarina gets a +105 [90->195. Why does the strongest move to start with in terms of BP get the biggest boost? Why does Primarina get a BP195 while the others get 180? Oh; and Primarina's Z-Move can benefit from Torrent. Deducieye's and Inceniroar's can't benefit from Overgrow/Blaze.].
I think this might be the first time that the Fire-type starter is hands down the worst one other than Charmander... and Charmander certainly isn't the worst these days with MegaZards.
And maybe Tepig. But all the Gen 5 starters sucked in-game and were outclassed so ity's kinda hard to call if Tepig or Snivy were worse in-game.
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Magneton; Laurantis; Inceniroar oh my!
I'll be blunt about the Litten line. It actually sucks. Until Litten evolved at lv 34 it's best move was Fire Fang. Even now it's slow as molasses and has quite a lot of weaknesses and honestly feels carried by the absolutely insane boost Lariat gets from the Incenium Z.
Oh; and Popplio gets a stupidly early TM Scald; while Rowlet gets Grass Knot early and Shadow Ball not too far from when it's evolving. Litten; meanwhile? Either I've missed a ton of TM's or it dosen't get any useful ones for ages. My Inceniroar still knows Scratch and Lick. That's how bad it's movepool is. I mean I guess you can patch up the speed a bit with Flame Charge; but then you're either running an even weaker fire move or doubleing up on fire moves...
Litten even got screwed on it's exclusive Z-Move... it only gets a +95 BP boost to 180; while Arrow Raid is a +100 [80->180] and Primarina gets a +105 [90->195. Why does the strongest move to start with in terms of BP get the biggest boost? Why does Primarina get a BP195 while the others get 180? Oh; and Primarina's Z-Move can benefit from Torrent. Deducieye's and Inceniroar's can't benefit from Overgrow/Blaze.].
I think this might be the first time that the Fire-type starter is hands down the worst one other than Charmander... and Charmander certainly isn't the worst these days with MegaZards.
And maybe Tepig. But all the Gen 5 starters sucked in-game and were outclassed so ity's kinda hard to call if Tepig or Snivy were worse in-game.
To be fair, all three Gen 7 starters are fairly slow, which is a theme for a bunch of Alola's Pokemon in general.
Obviously I can't say anything regarding playing through with the other two starters, but Incineroar definitely felt far from useless. You get Bulk Up and Leech Life on the second island, which can provide it with some extra longevity (beyond your own healing items lol), and Incineroar itself has decent natural bulk to help that out (less so before it evolves, however). Fire is well known to be terrible defensively, so that's something you just kinda have to accept going into it - at least Fire is also really good offensively, unlike Grass. Admittedly I didn't find too many situations in-game where Darkest Lariat's secondary effects mattered (competitive players are more privy to using boosting moves than CPU opponents), but then again, I doubt Decidueye or Primarina can say anything better about their signature moves' effects in-game (very few CPU trainers switch their Pokemon at all, and why would you ever want to heal an opponent's burn in singles?). Even before evolving, Torracat is by far the fastest of any of the starters' forms, which has to count for something. So yeah, while I can agree that Primarina's typing and movepool are better just from a glance, I wouldn't say Incineroar is, say, vastly inferior to Decidueye for the purposes of going through the campaign.
And Sparkling Aria's Z-move is stronger because its base power is in a higher increment of 10, which is generally how the Z-moves' base powers are determined. For example, Flamethrower and Heat Wave have base powers in the 90s, so an Inferno Overdrive from both is 175 base power despite the original moves' power difference (90 vs. 95), while one from Sacred Fire (100 base power) gets bumped up to 180 base power. The starters' signature moves work similarly, i.e., original moves with base powers in the 80s vs. the 90s.
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To be fair, all three Gen 7 starters are fairly slow, which is a theme for a bunch of Alola's Pokemon in general.
Obviously I can't say anything regarding playing through with the other two starters, but Incineroar definitely felt far from useless. You get Bulk Up and Leech Life on the second island, which can provide it with some extra longevity (beyond your own healing items lol), and Incineroar itself has decent natural bulk to help that out (less so before it evolves, however). Fire is well known to be terrible defensively, so that's something you just kinda have to accept going into it - at least Fire is also really good offensively, unlike Grass. Admittedly I didn't find too many situations in-game where Darkest Lariat's secondary effects mattered (competitive players are more privy to using boosting moves than CPU opponents), but then again, I doubt Decidueye or Primarina can say anything better about their signature moves' effects in-game (very few CPU trainers switch their Pokemon at all, and why would you ever want to heal an opponent's burn in singles?). Even before evolving, Torracat is by far the fastest of any of the starters' forms, which has to count for something. So yeah, while I can agree that Primarina's typing and movepool are better just from a glance, I wouldn't say Incineroar is, say, vastly inferior to Decidueye for the purposes of going through the campaign.
And Sparkling Aria's Z-move is stronger because its base power is in a higher increment of 10, which is generally how the Z-moves' base powers are determined. For example, Flamethrower and Heat Wave have base powers in the 90s, so an Inferno Overdrive from both is 175 base power despite the original moves' power difference (90 vs. 95), while one from Sacred Fire (100 base power) gets bumped up to 180 base power. The starters' signature moves work similarly, i.e., original moves with base powers in the 80s vs. the 90s.
Sparkling aria is a hit's everyone move, it's for de-burning your double partner (if they aren't too weak to it).. the reduction to single target might explain the higher power Z-move (it's about the only reason to keep it normally).
Also the advantages of healing enemies in battle royal might be worth it... battle royal is an odd ruleset.
Now up to the league... the past few major trainer encounters have been "fun", when did NPCs except the champ learn to make teams that are actually balanced?!
Not many version exclusives this time around, the can get but requires SOS battles and/or weather effects and/or 1% encounter rate (5% at best) mons seem to be the in demand ones for trades. (thankfully female starter, so have things to give out)
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Do we have an idea of how best to get to level 100? Not being able to use our precious bottle caps on a mon until then is suffering.
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Does anyone know of any ideas to get newer stuff from Pokemon Center outside the US? Canada gets some of this stuff eventually but it's impossible to tell whether miscellaneous places will stock in time for gifting.
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Do we have an idea of how best to get to level 100? Not being able to use our precious bottle caps on a mon until then is suffering.
Abuse Rare Kitchen Although you can't do over lvl 90.
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Sparkling aria is a hit's everyone move, it's for de-burning your double partner (if they aren't too weak to it).. the reduction to single target might explain the higher power Z-move (it's about the only reason to keep it normally).
Also the advantages of healing enemies in battle royal might be worth it... battle royal is an odd ruleset.
I did say "in singles", which is what the vast majority of the campaign consists of. And I already explained the power increase in my last message.
Also regarding leveling up fast, if you have mons at a lower level you want built up, you can also run them through the Pokemon League if you have a mon that can solo it (or however many you need). Because EXP scaling is back, that means any EXP your other mons get from the EXP Share also gets boosted based on the level difference, independent of who is out in the field. This makes it possible for the mon out in the field to sometimes get less EXP than a mon in back, and since the Pokemon League has the highest level trainers in the game, this gives you the most bang for your buck. Rare Kitchens are very good, but they're the most valuable when the mon you're trying to level up is already at a very high level.
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Mimikyu is so cute, I can't decide on whether to keep it on my Moon team because I plan to have my Oricorio be the ghost type :( and getting the 4th nectar will take forever since its on the 4th island...
I've tried chaining SOS with both Mimikyu and Oricorio (since the former kept doing so during training), but I can't seem to get it to last; its either they get a lot of no help or they stop calling for help forever. I want a shiny damnit! :(
Galdion wants to take me somewhere, which is either the 4th island or Aether Paradise to find Lily, but I'm not sure if I'm ready. My Sun party is all at lv. 41 and I traded and hatched for a Jangmo-o (and Drampa for Moon) early since you get it too late in the game and don't want to get too attached to a temporary mon/meat shield. Am I ready to take on anything where we're going? My Sun party is:
Decidyeye
Oricorio Balie
Lycanroc Midday
Toxapex
Ribombee
Hakamo-o
I don't want to know exactly what's up, but subtle advice on what I may need to have would be nice like lots of healing items or balls for example. Screw the Z-moves, I'm not using them :V
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So... What's the best way to EV train? I bred a Mareanie with a good ability (just Merciless, not hidden ability) and nature but every method of EV training seems super annoying. What the fuck Nintendo, why no more super training?
Mimikyu is so cute, I can't decide on whether to keep it on my Moon team because I plan to have my Oricorio be the ghost type :( and getting the 4th nectar will take forever since its on the 4th island...
Eh, it'll be fine. My team had three ghosts and a Vulpix that didn't do anything. Doesn't matter, balance isn't necessary. However, the purple nectar is super postgame, so unless you can trade Oricorio, have someone else form change it, and receive it back in that form you won't be doing that. If that does work I'd be happy to feed yours a purple nectar and send it back.
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Mimikyu is so cute, I can't decide on whether to keep it on my Moon team because I plan to have my Oricorio be the ghost type :( and getting the 4th nectar will take forever since its on the 4th island...
I've tried chaining SOS with both Mimikyu and Oricorio (since the former kept doing so during training), but I can't seem to get it to last; its either they get a lot of no help or they stop calling for help forever. I want a shiny damnit! :(
If you're willing to wait until the post-game for Sensu Oricorio, because that's unfortunately the only place you'll find the mon itself and the purple nectar to change from other forms. Mimikyu is arguably a better choice for single-player anyway. Disguise is godlike, especially if you play on "set" style like I do. Though if you don't want to load up on Fairy types, that's understandable.
As for your next location, you're more than ready level-wise. I finished that section with mons in the high-30s to really low 40s, so technically I started even lower than that. You'll also have plenty of chances to go get healing items and whatnot if you need more.
So... What's the best way to EV train? I bred a Mareanie with a good ability (just Merciless, not hidden ability) and nature but every method of EV training seems super annoying. What the fuck Nintendo, why no more super training?
Chaining mons in SOS battles is good since each new mon that gets called in has their EV yield doubled each time (I imagine there's a limit, but I don't know it off the top of my head). If you set yourself up right against a mon that can't hurt you too badly, you can chain for quite a while. Recently I did SOS battles outside Po Town to find a Castform, and as I kept killing Fearow to continue the chain, my Sneasel's Speed kept going up massively with each level up (it was in the 40s at the time, and its Speed was going up 7 or 8 points at a time). Also, you can use Isle Evelup to train EVs. It's a lot slower obviously, but the trick is using this while you're not playing, such as when you're sleeping, so you can keep on passively training your mons.
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Eh, it'll be fine. My team had three ghosts and a Vulpix that didn't do anything. Doesn't matter, balance isn't necessary. However, the purple nectar is super postgame, so unless you can trade Oricorio, have someone else form change it, and receive it back in that form you won't be doing that.
If you're willing to wait until the post-game for Sensu Oricorio, because that's unfortunately the only place you'll find the mon itself and the purple nectar to change from other forms. Mimikyu is arguably a better choice for single-player anyway. Disguise is godlike, especially if you play on "set" style like I do. Though if you don't want to load up on Fairy types, that's understandable.
As for your next location, you're more than ready level-wise. I finished that section with mons in the high-30s to really low 40s, so technically I started even lower than that. You'll also have plenty of chances to go get healing items and whatnot if you need more.
Post-game? :( Damn, why does Gamefreak have to do that for?
If that does work I'd be happy to feed yours a purple nectar and send it back.
I'd really appreciate it if you could :'D
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I never noticed Torracat learns Leech Life. I definitely got it; I taught it to my Formantis. It was so unexpected that I never even noticed it.
I rarely; if ever; use setup moves in the story. So few trainers have enough pokemon to make it worthwhile; and if you're going to even +2; it's a case of you're actually better off just attacking twice because you'll hit just as hard overall and have twice the chance for a crit or a secondary effect. Bulk Up being a +1 is even worse; for Bulk Up to break even offensively you need to attack twice after using it [Discounting crits and such].
Also the slowness really is felt as Inceniroar because you actually lose 30 base speed on evolution. Inceniroar is slower than Litten. So when you go through the game with Litten/Torracat Inceniroar is jarring.
I mean; I'm not 100% on how good Deducieye is; but Ghost is a kinda OP attacking type ever since the Steel nerf made it so only Dark and Normal resist/are immune to Ghost [Ghost is the new Dragon]. But Ghost/Flying/Grass is literally perfect coverage except for Bisharp which isn't in this game. I think it is pretty obvious Popplio is the best starter in-game. If only because Scald of all moves is a TM you can obtain Lv 15~18; and just before the Waterium Z.
Anyway I think I'll just muse about the rest of my team in-game right now. I'm using a mixture of new pokemon and pokemon I just haven't used before because they usually show up pretty late.
Inceniroar - I don't like it's movepool and think it gets comparatively screwed compared to the other starters on TM's. I'd probobly place him 4th.
Laurantis - As Formantis it kinda sucked. As Laurantis... it still is pretty bad but at least hits harder? Crit moves + Scope Lens here. Totem Laurantis makes you think this guy is awesome then you get him and he lets you down...
Magneton - Oh my god this is carrying me so hard. Steelium-Z is surprisingly awesome. No Eviolite for... well... see Misdrevus.
Misdrevus - The game outright teased me with one NPC talking about how they had a Dusk Stone but nothing to use it on. Despite the fact that Misdrevus hasn't evolved yet. Also; I apparently missed the Eviolite? I just looked up where it is and MAN DO I FEEL DUMB. Although at this point I might just not bother with the Eviolite because then I'll be tempted to not evolve my Magneton and just use Evolite Magneton instead of Magnezone.
But the fact it's been carrying me even without it is awesome. Overall; Misdrevus has been my most reliable pokemon. It was my strongest earlygame; and is still probobly 3rd place now. It's pretty fast; Charge Beam and it's typing combined well to give it punch. Psywave was actually really good early and in a pinch there's always Confuse Ray.
Slowpoke: Missed the Eviolite; but TM's are making Slowpoke still useful. Scald early; Psychic respectably early. Waterium Z on this right now; mostly because I can't be asked to sit through Leftovers animation and it gives Slowpoke some punch against Fires; which I otherwise have no answer to. Strill; simply due to still being Slowpoke Slowpoke is the weakest member of my team right now. Also a massive pain against wilds. It dosen't hit hard enough to KO them before they call for help and it's too slow to run...
If I knew where the King's Rock was I might even use Slowking. But then I can't use Mega Slowbro in the postgame.
Rimbobee: Man this thing is awesome. Was certainly my MVP after it evolved; but before Magnemite evolved into Magneton. Was my MVP immediately after it evolved, and is still probobly 2nd strongest on my team after Magneton. It's pretty glassy but Draining Kiss helps with that. If I find myself behind the curve I usually pop on the XP.Share for a breif bit and use Rimbobee to grind some wilds due to it's speed and healing ability. [Example: Did this after my first loss to Totem Mimkyu to evolve my Torracat and Formantis]
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Beat league with like 3 mons
magnezone
salazzle
and
primarina
Slazzle was for flamethrower like twice, the others just plain carried
postgame time!
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Story spoilers~
Ok, what the fuck, the Aether Foundation and the UBs are a lot more fucked up than I thought. :o
Type: Null's origins, Team Skull not being bros but working with Lusamine the whole time, and Lusamine herself being both an abusive Narcissist mom and psychotic Collector (cryogenically frozen mons, wtf) and fusing with Nihilego into some freak of nature (that I really wish was the boss instead of her beefed up party). In both of her battles, her Clefable walled me with Cosmic Power because I forgot to poison it with Toxapex. Decidueye walled Bewear though since it couldn't do anything but lower my attack to nothing, which resulted in yet another slug fest. Despite being about 3-4 levels lower, I beat her with only 1 loss. Her first battle was harder because I didn't know what she had to throw at me, I was disappointed her party was the same in the second one.
And even after beating Beast!Lusamine, I reset because I wanted to see the cutscene where we play the flutes and Nebby evolves into Solgaleo :3 it was cool~ sure I'll have to fight Lusamine again, but I don't mind since I have to do it again in Moon anyway with a different party.
Where did Nihilego's name come from after all that, did Lusamine name it? All I could think of was, "That thing has a NAME?!" and why I didn't face off against one.
Lillie's sudden shift in character development is...strange. I'd prefer it more if she changed her look after everything rather than the middle. Feels weird where she's so oddly positive about everything after it going to shit.
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I got Sun on Thanksgiving for $30, now at post game.
It's great. I can't stop playing...
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Story spoilers~
Ok, what the fuck, the Aether Foundation and the UBs are a lot more fucked up than I thought. :o
Type: Null's origins, Team Skull not being bros but working with Lusamine the whole time, and Lusamine herself being both an abusive Narcissist mom and psychotic Collector (cryogenically frozen mons, wtf) and fusing with Nihilego into some freak of nature (that I really wish was the boss instead of her beefed up party). In both of her battles, her Clefable walled me with Cosmic Power because I forgot to poison it with Toxapex. Decidueye walled Bewear though since it couldn't do anything but lower my attack to nothing, which resulted in yet another slug fest. Despite being about 3-4 levels lower, I beat her with only 1 loss. Her first battle was harder because I didn't know what she had to throw at me, I was disappointed her party was the same in the second one.
And even after beating Beast!Lusamine, I reset because I wanted to see the cutscene where we play the flutes and Nebby evolves into Solgaleo :3 it was cool~ sure I'll have to fight Lusamine again, but I don't mind since I have to do it again in Moon anyway with a different party.
Where did Nihilego's name come from after all that, did Lusamine name it? All I could think of was, "That thing has a NAME?!" and why I didn't face off against one.
Lillie's sudden shift in character development is...strange. I'd prefer it more if she changed her look after everything rather than the middle. Feels weird where she's so oddly positive about everything after it going to shit.
Presumably the Ultra Beasts had been known about for years beforehand, so plenty of time for people to give them names, I think.
But yeah, that does tie into some gripes I have with the story (as in, the parts that involve the villains, separate from the whole island challenge + Pokemon League stuff, which I usually refer to as the "campaign"). I've yet to do the post-game sidequests, but given where I am, I think I can safely give my thoughts on the story now. And my takeaway is that this game's story does a pretty poor job explaining stuff and, by extension, setting up and reinforcing the kind of character development they seemed to be going for. Like, I can still see how various characters would fit into certain themes ("family/community" being a common one I've seen thrown around by others) - the "foundation" is there, so to speak - but not nearly enough time is given to the villains to properly develop them according to those themes, and as a result I barely felt any sort of connection to them when I was supposed to (namely, when you storm the Aether Foundation and when you visit Ultra Space later on
). I mean, Lusamine is given exactly one scene before her proper reveal as a villain - enough to drop in some hints that she's crazy, sure, but you need more than that to set up any sort of real contrast regarding whether she's actually good or evil. Maybe this is more a case of older players like myself being more able to recognize those hints than kids, but the extremeness of some of her lines during her first scene was pretty dang palpable, which further ruined any illusion that she had a good side to her - not unlike Lysandre in that sense, which is not a compliment lol.
But that's not all. I learned after the fact that apparently Lusamine was being influenced by Nihilego's neurotoxins the whole time, which is what made her so extreme in her views to begin with
. Never mind that it's much harder to care about villains when they're not entirely in control of their own actions
, this also wasn't something I remember being properly explained beforehand, unless I just missed the lone mention it might've had (I wouldn't be surprised lol). Meanwhile, Guzma felt fairly flat as a whole, seeming more like a villain you'd find on a Saturday morning cartoon or something, minus the more mature nature of his backstory. The only sort of characterization he displayed beyond just wanting to "mess everything up" around Alola was his connection to Lusamine, but even that didn't last very long once he and Lusamine went into Ultra Space (granted, rightfully so because Lusamine is crazy, but it still sorta breaks from the "family" theme with him just up and ditching her without any further meaningful conflict on his part)
. So yeah, the "execution" of the villains was kinda a mess imo. And given there's likely more to find out about the Ultra Beasts in the post-game, I fear this'll only reinforce the game doing a bad job of explaining stuff.
Funny you should mention Lillie
though, I also felt their characterization was a bit wonky, but more so because it seemed like the game couldn't decide whether they were supposed to be supporting or contrasting the "family" theme as well. She very clearly takes steps to improve as a person in the middle of the story... by specifically breaking away from her mother's influence (read: the outfit change). Again, Lusamine is crazy, but she is still Lillie's mother. Then there's why Lillie wanted so bad to go track down Lusamine in Ultra Space - was it so she could save her, or so she could get a chance to tell her off and further break from her mother's influence? Unless Lillie thought telling her off would be enough to save her or something, which would admittedly be something a kid like her could think, but I digress. She does end up doing the latter anyway, but then once Lusamine is freed from Nihilego's influence (and not even by being told off, but simply by getting hit hard by Nebby) Lillie is right back to supporting her mother
. Btw this next part is a post-Pokemon League thing, so don't read if you haven't beaten it yet, but if you consider the player and Hau to have become her new family throughout the story given all their adventures, Lillie even breaks from that by leaving them to become a trainer in Kanto (though she does take Lusamine with her)
.
I basically felt the same way about the fights against Lusamine
, definitely easier the second time. But it actually makes sense that her team is the same the second time around - unless Ultra Space somehow has PCs, she's stuck with the mons she brought in with her. Though I think they did miss an opportunity to have something like a Totem Nihilego be her sixth mon or an extra boss in a separate battle
.
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Presumably the Ultra Beasts had been known about for years beforehand, so plenty of time for people to give them names, I think.
But yeah, that does tie into some gripes I have with the story (as in, the parts that involve the villains, separate from the whole island challenge + Pokemon League stuff, which I usually refer to as the "campaign"). I've yet to do the post-game sidequests, but given where I am, I think I can safely give my thoughts on the story now. And my takeaway is that this game's story does a pretty poor job explaining stuff and, by extension, setting up and reinforcing the kind of character development they seemed to be going for. Like, I can still see how various characters would fit into certain themes ("family/community" being a common one I've seen thrown around by others) - the "foundation" is there, so to speak - but not nearly enough time is given to the villains to properly develop them according to those themes, and as a result I barely felt any sort of connection to them when I was supposed to (namely, when you storm the Aether Foundation and when you visit Ultra Space later on
). I mean, Lusamine is given exactly one scene before her proper reveal as a villain - enough to drop in some hints that she's crazy, sure, but you need more than that to set up any sort of real contrast regarding whether she's actually good or evil. Maybe this is more a case of older players like myself being more able to recognize those hints than kids, but the extremeness of some of her lines during her first scene was pretty dang palpable, which further ruined any illusion that she had a good side to her - not unlike Lysandre in that sense, which is not a compliment lol.
But that's not all. I learned after the fact that apparently Lusamine was being influenced by Nihilego's neurotoxins the whole time, which is what made her so extreme in her views to begin with
. Never mind that it's much harder to care about villains when they're not entirely in control of their own actions
, this also wasn't something I remember being properly explained beforehand, unless I just missed the lone mention it might've had (I wouldn't be surprised lol). Meanwhile, Guzma felt fairly flat as a whole, seeming more like a villain you'd find on a Saturday morning cartoon or something, minus the more mature nature of his backstory. The only sort of characterization he displayed beyond just wanting to "mess everything up" around Alola was his connection to Lusamine, but even that didn't last very long once he and Lusamine went into Ultra Space (granted, rightfully so because Lusamine is crazy, but it still sorta breaks from the "family" theme with him just up and ditching her without any further meaningful conflict on his part)
. So yeah, the "execution" of the villains was kinda a mess imo. And given there's likely more to find out about the Ultra Beasts in the post-game, I fear this'll only reinforce the game doing a bad job of explaining stuff.
Funny you should mention Lillie
though, I also felt their characterization was a bit wonky, but more so because it seemed like the game couldn't decide whether they were supposed to be supporting or contrasting the "family" theme as well. She very clearly takes steps to improve as a person in the middle of the story... by specifically breaking away from her mother's influence (read: the outfit change). Again, Lusamine is crazy, but she is still Lillie's mother. Then there's why Lillie wanted so bad to go track down Lusamine in Ultra Space - was it so she could save her, or so she could get a chance to tell her off and further break from her mother's influence? Unless Lillie thought telling her off would be enough to save her or something, which would admittedly be something a kid like her could think, but I digress. She does end up doing the latter anyway, but then once Lusamine is freed from Nihilego's influence (and not even by being told off, but simply by getting hit hard by Nebby) Lillie is right back to supporting her mother
. Btw this next part is a post-Pokemon League thing, so don't read if you haven't beaten it yet, but if you consider the player and Hau to have become her new family throughout the story given all their adventures, Lillie even breaks from that by leaving them to become a trainer in Kanto (though she does take Lusamine with her)
.
I basically felt the same way about the fights against Lusamine
, definitely easier the second time. But it actually makes sense that her team is the same the second time around - unless Ultra Space somehow has PCs, she's stuck with the mons she brought in with her. Though I think they did miss an opportunity to have something like a Totem Nihilego be her sixth mon or an extra boss in a separate battle
.
Didn't feel Lusamine was that badly developed, after it reveals her motivation (i.e. Lillie's father, and then her children running off with the only hopes she had to possibly rescue him). Albeit her good intentions get corrupted courtesy of Nihilego.
Also as regards to the comedy villains, are Team skull ever not played for laughs.
This is a Saturday morning kids show!!!
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Didn't feel Lusamine was that badly developed, after it reveals her motivation (i.e. Lillie's father, and then her children running off with the only hopes she had to possibly rescue him). Albeit her good intentions get corrupted courtesy of Nihilego.
I'm aware of their motivation, but this actually reinforces my point above. This little tidbit isn't brought up until well after it actually matters. By the time you get told this, Lillie and Lusamine are long gone, both of their roles in the story complete
. It's sorta like if Vader didn't tell Luke he was his father in The Empire Strikes Back and you had to rely on other side materials released afterwards to figure that out - it would still put a different perspective on his actions in the movie, but it would also take away from the vast emotional impact the movie's climax would've had the first time you see it. That's what I'm getting at when I talk about execution here; character design and actual storytelling are not one and the same and can be handled differently. If you ask me, everything taken together, Lusamine
is indeed a better character than some other villains we've had recently, but the way everything about them was presented didn't help me build any sort of emotional connection to them as the story was still going (I do want to stress that last part lol).
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So I just got my
Cosmog
and as much as I love petting it I just realized that this is potentially going to be a hassle with how I like to collect Pokemon. I try to keep one of everything in numerical order in my boxes, so getting a Cosmog, a Cosmeon, AND trading for a Lunala
is going to be trouble.
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oh my gods
trying to capture a modest Xurkitree
is hell
this wild Pok?mon is legit sweeping my team if I don't catch it quickly
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oh my gods
trying to capture a modest Xurkitree
is hell
this wild Pok?mon is legit sweeping my team if I don't catch it quickly
(spoilered mainly because it might identify the mon by accident)
Possibly not worth it to raise one up for this specific purpose, but if you have a high-level Alolan Marowak with Lightning Rod as its ability, that might help? Resists Power Whip and turns Discharge into a buff, at least.
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oh my gods
trying to capture a modest Xurkitree
is hell
this wild Pok?mon is legit sweeping my team if I don't catch it quickly
Don't tell anybody, but the one time I've been wiped so far in the entire game was by Kartana
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Does Synchronize still force wild encounters to match your nature? Could go breed a bunch of Abras.
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that was the issue
I tried leading with a level 1 Modest Synchronize Abra
I probably should have picked up a Clear Smog user or some such because DAT DAMAGE
Story time. Used Blizzard with my Snow Warning Ninetales because it's pretty good. Get the freeze on Lighting
, but then it thaws out on the same turn like :|
Oh well. Got both of my modest Lighting, an Adamant Absorption, a Timid Symbiote with Hidden Power ice to smite any Garchomp that thinks it can Earthquake it for free.
(and now we move onto Blade)
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Don't tell anybody, but the one time I've been wiped so far in the entire game was by Kartana
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Does Synchronize still force wild encounters to match your nature? Could go breed a bunch of Abras.
Kartana and Celesteela actually have Catch Rates of 255 [Same as pokemon such as Pidgey]. Throwing a Beast Ball at them while they are at perfect HP and no status is actually a 100% guarenteed capture. Probobly done since you have to catch multiple
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I can't believe I caught it on the first go in a Moon Ball. The only one you get too. I can't stop laughing. :V Kinda wish there was a Sun ball...
I'm guessing now I'm gonna have to grind to lv. 60 since the league is coming up and based Nanu wants to take me there. I wanna use Solgaleo, but I love my party as is without using a legendary. I'm assuming UBs are post game too.
So I just got my Cosmog
and as much as I love petting it I just realized that this is potentially going to be a hassle with how I like to collect Pokemon. I try to keep one of everything in numerical order in my boxes, so getting a Cosmog, a Cosmeon, AND trading for a Lunala
is going to be trouble.
Oh I know what you mean. I had to deal with that when trying to get actual living dex in X&Y and a complete Vivillion collection with unreasonable trades everywhere. With the few legendaries and shinies I got off of Wonder Trade, I finally did it. :3
Does the Cosmog you get evolve into the same legendary or the opposite of your game?
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Does the Cosmog you get evolve into the same legendary or the opposite of your game?
Same, which is weird given the method you need to use to get it. You're supposed to evolve it into a duplicate yourself and trade it for someone else's duplicate.
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Kartana and Celesteela actually have Catch Rates of 255 [Same as pokemon such as Pidgey]. Throwing a Beast Ball at them while they are at perfect HP and no status is actually a 100% guarenteed capture. Probobly done since you have to catch multiple
It's Pheromosa and Kartana that have 255 catch rates because there's four of them. The ones you have to catch two of have lower rates. I should know since Celesteela was the only one to ever break out of one of my Beast Balls lol.
Does the Cosmog you get evolve into the same legendary or the opposite of your game?
It's the same legendary as your version, so you basically get two of the same mon in one file. Useful for those wanting to trade for the other cover legendary at least since it puts more of them out on the market.
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It's Pheromosa and Kartana that have 255 catch rates because there's four of them. The ones you have to catch two of have lower rates. I should know since Celesteela was the only one to ever break out of one of my Beast Balls lol.
Oh I just assumed that it was the same set of exclusives.
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It's the same legendary as your version, so you basically get two of the same mon in one file. Useful for those wanting to trade for the other cover legendary at least since it puts more of them out on the market.
Also very useful to have both one file for day/night shifting whenever you want
Love the fact starters are like more common than pidgey (equivalents) on GTC.
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D-Did I just miss a massive area or something or was there suddenly a massive level jump?
I was equal level to most of the enemies at Po Town and Aether Foundation
and then suddenly Guzma is Lv 39~41 while I'm packing 38's
then Lusamine is Lv 41 and has 5 pokemon
and now the wilds on Poni Island are Lv 43. While my team is still largely Lv 38. Magneton is Lv 41 because Magneton is a freaking godsend and was really; really helpful against the bosses and Inceniroar is Lv 40 due to a Psychic-type using miniboss.
But still; sudden 5 or so level spike between Trainers in one area and the wilds in the area immediately afterwards. Particularly hard on my Misdrevus which still hasn't evolved and of course Lusamine
had to rub it in by having a Mismagius. Mercifully; I am aware the Dusk Stone is imminent. I just need to find it. And once I have my Dusk Stone my team will be fully evolved bar Magneton... which is already my MVP.
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D-Did I just miss a massive area or something or was there suddenly a massive level jump?
I was equal level to most of the enemies at Po Town and Aether Foundation
and then suddenly Guzma is Lv 39~41 while I'm packing 38's
then Lusamine is Lv 41 and has 5 pokemon
and now the wilds on Poni Island are Lv 43. While my team is still largely Lv 38. Magneton is Lv 41 because Magneton is a freaking godsend and was really; really helpful against the bosses and Inceniroar is Lv 40 due to a Psychic-type using miniboss.
But still; sudden 5 or so level spike between Trainers in one area and the wilds in the area immediately afterwards. Particularly hard on my Misdrevus which still hasn't evolved and of course Lusamine
had to rub it in by having a Mismagius. Mercifully; I am aware the Dusk Stone is imminent. I just need to find it. And once I have my Dusk Stone my team will be fully evolved bar Magneton... which is already my MVP.
Yeah, it is a real level jump, you didn't miss anything. It's honestly not too bad though if you play to type matchups right and all that, but of course you can always grind some wilds if you're concerned about being underleveled. I was in the exact same situation as you level-wise, and I finished all the events on Poni Island in the mid-40s (43 to 46), so it's more than doable.
As for me, I'm nearing the end of the single-player stuff that's available, outside the Battle Tree anyway (not sure how much I'll do that). Every area explored, almost every sidequest done afaik, and only six more mons I can get for the Pokedex without resorting to trading (though two are SOS summons >.<). I guess it's appropriate I named my character Chara, given how I'm keeping track of things to do before moving on lol. But overall, despite my earlier mini-rants of sorts on the story, it's still safe to say this is yet another solid entry in the series, at least as solid as they tend to be. The only big shake-ups are of course Z-moves and the Island Challenge, so the gameplay remains very familiar while still adding some key things to keep it fresh, which made going through the campaign quite enjoyable. Plus the difficulty was certainly improved without making things too frustrating (assuming no EXP Share of course) - not being able to throw Poke Balls when two mons are out is still a big problem though because of how the SOS system works, and I still don't understand why they haven't changed that, especially since Colosseum and XD let you do it. The world of Alola itself is quite interesting with its various environments and how society meshes with it all, and the way the regions are split up helps make smaller areas more distinctive and memorable. On the other hand, the music is much more of a mixed bag than in previous gens imo. Thankfully what I said in my "first impressions" list did come true, some songs did come up later that I thought were very good, but most of those were overworld themes. I really didn't like most of this game's battle themes at all, which is a big deal since these games are all about battling. It's telling when you intentionally keep the sound off and choose to listen to stuff like Guzma's theme or either of Lusamine's
themes instead, because the song that's playing is just that annoying, which unfortunately came up a lot for me. But outside of that, the occasional slow-down that occurs (admittedly a product of being on older hardware), and some of the story stuff I mentioned before, there aren't really many bad things to say about Sun and Moon, so definitely give it a shot if you haven't already.
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So I went on the GTS to see if people were offering UBs for trade because I was waiting for someone to take my offer for a mon so I get more for my living dex. Why not, it's not I can get anything now anyways without the stuff in my bank, right?
Someone was asking for a female Mimikyu at lv. 30 for their UB-03 Lighting. I took the trade and it actually went through. I actually got a UB early :o HE DANCES IN REFRESH WHY DOES HE DANCE SO JOYFULLY
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So I went on the GTS to see if people were offering UBs for trade because I was waiting for someone to take my offer for a mon so I get more for my living dex. Why not, it's not I can get anything now anyways without the stuff in my bank, right?
Someone was asking for a female Mimikyu at lv. 30 for their UB-03 Lighting. I took the trade and it actually went through. I actually got a UB early :o HE DANCES IN REFRESH WHY DOES HE DANCE SO JOYFULLY
Besides the cover legendary, and type:Null everything is fairly easy to get on GTS if it's not a trade holding specific item evolution (especially Porygon-(2/z) and Milotic, god damn is Milotic's evolution item hard to find extras of)
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While this isn't entirely Sun and Moon related, Meloetta's distribution is happening this month, so pick her(?) up while you can.
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While this isn't entirely Sun and Moon related, Meloetta's distribution is happening this month, so pick her(?) up while you can.
Or in sun/moon news Magearna is available (QR code) next week.
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Timid Lunala? Eh, it'll work.
I've definitely been taking my time with this game. It's really solid.
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Yeah, it is a real level jump, you didn't miss anything. It's honestly not too bad though if you play to type matchups right and all that, but of course you can always grind some wilds if you're concerned about being underleveled. I was in the exact same situation as you level-wise, and I finished all the events on Poni Island in the mid-40s (43 to 46), so it's more than doable.
Yeah, you'd be surprised at how well you can do while underleveled, provided you have good type matchups, movesets, and pokemon with good stats. I mean, look here (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiK18bVm9bQAhXMRyYKHYSmCokQtwIIHTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJj-F-IqGDt8&usg=AFQjCNH3y7HRyNT8sDWgqU-8zzNHm9HGjw); it's like in SMT.
I beat the Elite Four about a week ago, though admittedly, I didn't deserve to beat Kukui
; I had to use so many healing items, it was painful to go through (and cringeworthy to see, if you were to watch that battle). Later, I found that most my team comp was just bad; my team were leveled just about right, but shared too many weaknesses to Kukui's
team. Had somewhat-questionable movesets, too. ^^;
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Timid Lunala? Eh, it'll work.
I've definitely been taking my time with this game. It's really solid.
Timid primarina was carrying me hard, certainly not bad for a pure special attacker, especially in mirror matches.
All tapu(s) collected, damn were some a pain...
Toxapex is murderous, signature move is protect; but it also poisons if the move was physical contact. Then you have 100% crit vs poisoned targets ability (to make up for having low damage).
Still have yet to play around with all the nastiness mimikyu can do as well.
PvP has taught me that status z-moves are definitely a thing, and unlike the damage ones there's more variation. Oh and Z-splash is a 3 stage attack boost :] .
Also loving the huge variety of challengers to your league title, just had the youngster you fist battled on route 1
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Timid primarina was carrying me hard, certainly not bad for a pure special attacker, especially in mirror matches.
All tapu(s) collected, damn were some a pain...
Toxapex is murderous, signature move is protect; but it also poisons if the move was physical contact. Then you have 100% crit vs poisoned targets ability (to make up for having low damage).
Still have yet to play around with all the nastiness mimikyu can do as well.
Mimikyu and Toxapex are definitely going on my competitive team as well. Regenerator Toxapex is definitely better, but Merciless is so much fun...
PvP has taught me that status z-moves are definitely a thing, and unlike the damage ones there's more variation. Oh and Z-splash is a 3 stage attack boost :] .
Z-Weather seems to boost speed, which is kiiind of a big deal.
Also loving the huge variety of challengers to your league title, just had the youngster you fist battled on route 1
I LOVE THIS MECHANIC. I love a lot of the changes in this game, but... That might be my favorite one.
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I want a hack where you get to go onto the golf courses, and then ride your Tauros around while a 3DS'd version of Breakin' The Law plays instead of the usual Tauros theme.
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Anybody want to trade a Litten for a Rowlet and Moon Ultra Beasts for Sun Ultra Beasts? I don't have any of those in my Pokedex so I can't search them on GTS.
I thought somebody said GTS was good this generation, but it's fucking pathetic trash as usual. EVERY SINGLE trade for Poplio right now wants a legendary. ALL of them. Ugh.
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If GTS hasn't changed since previous iterations, you should be able to manually search for the species you want even if it hasn't been encountered.
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Also weird thing, Sun and Moon do not have a National Dex, i wonder if when we get the pokebank update in January for Sun and Moon we will get an update bringing the National Dex ???
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I suspect so, on national dex, although might be later.
Anybody want to trade a Litten for a Rowlet and Moon Ultra Beasts for Sun Ultra Beasts? I don't have any of those in my Pokedex so I can't search them on GTS.
I thought somebody said GTS was good this generation, but it's fucking pathetic trash as usual. EVERY SINGLE trade for Poplio right now wants a legendary. ALL of them. Ugh.
Trades for non legendaries can go in SECONDS, unless there is excess supply (poplio is OP as hell, so there isn't). Got all starters in like 5 minutes if I remember right.
Also consider putting up an offer seeking one, I'd recommend any SOS only, especially weather ones, or island scan mon.
Saddly just released about 20 poplio earlier today, so have no spares.
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Hidden abilities can also be a good idea to offer for things; I got a Slowking for my dex by putting up a Moody Smeargle.
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Hidden abilities can also be a good idea to offer for things; I got a Slowking for my dex by putting up a Moody Smeargle.
Err you can't see abilities only hold item, level and gender.
You underestimate how rare Smeargle is (have never seen one wild, not for lack of searching), also all the rare fish go quite well.
My FC is 1006-2084-6602
might be useful to actually friend some of you, suspect trade evolving a lot of porygon (not doing that with randoms, note the total lack of porygon 2/z on GTC) might be a very good idea (conversion-Z is potentially very strong)
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Had a Rowlet up for a Litten for 14 hours last night with no takers. No special conditions or anything. After refreshing for like an hour earlier I found two fair Ultra Beast trades but both were already gone by the time I clicked on them.
Finally just took down my Rowlet because apparently nobody wanted it, so maybe I can get some Ultra Beast trades going if I offer them. Haven't been home in a bit to check.
I did get a Poplio for a Rowlet almost instantly though, which makes the Litten thing even weirder.
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Err you can't see abilities only hold item, level and gender.
Huh, maybe I misremembered. That just makes the trade weird though, since Smeargle isn't particularly rare at all; it's not uncommon in the first few grass patches of route 2 (not the charging mon, the actual grass).
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So I ended up not leveling up my party all to lv. 60, but around 55-57 range (except for Ribombee). To get rare mons off of the GTS, I took up the habit of grinding Jangmo-o SOS battles until a Kommo-o (or Hakamo-o 1 level away from evolving with good IVs) appeared, caught it, and put it up on the GTS while also taking its free Razor Claw and evolving a Sneasel for later. Got another UB
Origami guy
by trading a Litten, and something else I left up on the GTS (maybe another Litten or a Popplio, I really don't remember) got me a jap. Type: Null :o Someone must've either had a spare or was desperate.
I chained quite a few Hakamo-o in SOS battles enough to level up a lot, but sadly no shiny ever appeared (did have a Jangno-o call for a Kommo-o on its first turn, but I accidentally killed it :()
Went through the E4: Not bad at all, except maybe Olivia's Carbink. I was surprised to find Kahili finally, and I fought her first because I wasn't sure what type was depicted on the wall before her room. It feels kinda strange she hasn't appeared despite being mentioned. I actually thought she was the champion based on the demo's line of her conquering the world.
Imagine my surprise when Kukui is like "it's not that easy is it?" and fights me with the INTRO BEING PART OF HIS FUCKING BATTLE THEME. He didn't give me much trouble either, though Snorlax was hard to take down without Toxapex to poison it. Amazing battle nonetheless.
The champion celebration was great, except for people telling me "now we're gonna fight for your chair!" If I go to the league again, will that actually start causing a bunch of trainers attempting to take my chair? :V
Also caught Tapu Koko in a great ball. That battle music was spooky and rather fitting.
Post game caught me by surprise. Not only Looker, but Anabel returns! chinese leaks were real after all Who proceed to make Kukui's battle look like a joke. I nearly wiped due to her damn Mismagius. Now I'm on the hunt for a Nihilego of my own, and its quite tenacious. Any exit I try to reach triggers a battle with it immediately right as I hit the loading zone. Trying to get one with a decent nature in a Dive ball is hell, it either 2-3 shots my party with Power Gem.
I feel regretful I didn't raise my team all up to lv. 60 because Anabel
sure showed me how hard post game is gonna be.
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Well, I guess people don't want to trade ultra beasts either. Had my Kartana for someone else's Pheromosa up for ten hours with no takers. That is the correct matchup, right? Kartana and Pheromosa are the two that you get four of? I don't see a million people out there offering this trade so it's not like I'm just getting lost in the shuffle, but apparently this isn't a good deal for anyone? Solagaleo or nothing I guess. :wat:
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Trades for non legendaries can go in SECONDS, unless there is excess supply (poplio is OP as hell, so there isn't). Got all starters in like 5 minutes if I remember right.
I don't know, I had the opposite experience when I went onto the GTS earlier today. Got both starters in one try each and a good number of the version exclusives without too much hassle, but it was the legendaries that I could never get in time before someone else already traded with them. -_-
You underestimate how rare Smeargle is (have never seen one wild, not for lack of searching), also all the rare fish go quite well.
Smeargle have like a 20% chance to appear in the first few patches of grass on Route 2. That's hardly rare at all, though admittedly they do have lower chances elsewhere.
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Now starting to farm for annoying to get hold items, and hidden abilities.
Anyone found an Eevee (or evolved one) with its yet?
Adaptability may be awesome if you intend to keep it as Eevee (for that z-move opener) but hidden is better on half the evolved ones.
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Well, I guess people don't want to trade ultra beasts either. Had my Kartana for someone else's Pheromosa up for ten hours with no takers. That is the correct matchup, right? Kartana and Pheromosa are the two that you get four of? I don't see a million people out there offering this trade so it's not like I'm just getting lost in the shuffle, but apparently this isn't a good deal for anyone? Solagaleo or nothing I guess. :wat:
I hear people are hoarding the mosquito and bamboo UB as well. You might have better luck offering a Lapras or Kommo-o.
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I can testify to Celesteela being a hot commodity right now. I even tried to trade for an extra one to help me get a Kartana easier, only to see plenty of people still asking for Celesteela in return lol.
In other news, I never thought grinding for Festival Coins could be so much fun. I ended up going online for the type matchup challenge at the right time, because I consistently got dozens of people joining the same room for a while, pretty much guaranteeing a max reward as long as I joined up fast enough. One time the challenge had 100 participants and we broke a total score of 1000. That record's never falling lol.
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I can testify to Celesteela being a hot commodity right now. I even tried to trade for an extra one to help me get a Kartana easier, only to see plenty of people still asking for Celesteela in return lol.
In other news, I never thought grinding for Festival Coins could be so much fun. I ended up going online for the type matchup challenge at the right time, because I consistently got dozens of people joining the same room for a while, pretty much guaranteeing a max reward as long as I joined up fast enough. One time the challenge had 100 participants and we broke a total score of 1000. That record's never falling lol.
I've got Kartanas that I can't get rid of, so I've got you there if you need one. Are you interested in trading a Pheromosa for it?
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I managed to get a Pheromosa by trading a Timid Snow Warning Vulpix with some egg moves, but it's got a garbage nature. I can still pass it off if you want to fill in your Dex, though.
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I managed to get a Pheromosa by trading a Timid Snow Warning Vulpix with some egg moves, but it's got a garbage nature. I can still pass it off if you want to fill in your Dex, though.
I appreciate the offer, but my madness requires me to own all Pokemon. I put them in boxes in Pokedex order and enjoy looking at the full pages. Which is going to be a bitch when it comes to getting ahold of a Cosmog, Cosmeon, Solgaleo, AND Lunala
and figuring out what to do with the Alolan forms, but that's what I gotta do.
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I've got Kartanas that I can't get rid of, so I've got you there if you need one. Are you interested in trading a Pheromosa for it?
Sure, I'm online right now. Anything else you might need as well? I only need Electivire and Porygon's evos. Do I need to do anything special to show up on your guest list for trading?
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Sure, I'm online right now. Anything else you might need as well? I only need Electivire and Porygon's evos. Do I need to do anything special to show up on your guest list for trading?
I need a lot of stuff. Alolan Sandshrew, Vullaby, Drampa, Archen, and Shieldon. I don't necessarily have the equivalents to trade for all of those though (and you probably don't want them if you already have everything else).
We can trade evolve Porygon (I'll trade you back Porygon 2 and you can send it back to me again) assuming you have the necessary items on hand.
I think we both need to be on each others' friend lists to see each other, but it might just need to be one way. My in-game name is Blue and my friend code is in the OP.
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I need a lot of stuff. Alolan Sandshrew, Vullaby, Drampa, Archen, and Shieldon. I don't necessarily have the equivalents to trade for all of those though (and you probably don't want them if you already have everything else).
We can trade evolve Porygon (I'll trade you back Porygon 2 and you can send it back to me again) assuming you have the necessary items on hand.
I think we both need to be on each others' friend lists to see each other, but it might just need to be one way. My in-game name is Blue and my friend code is in the OP.
Okay, my FC is 0662-7560-4844, and my player's name is Chara. And yeah, I would need to spend some time breeding those first mons again anyway, but I'm set with Porygon's items.
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Works for me, my main priority is Pheromosa right now.
Added your code, so we can do Kartana<->Pheromosa and then trade Porygon back and forth. And if you want to breed up copies of those other things on my list eventually I can hopefully use that time to scrounge up some hidden ability Pokemon that art actually worth trading for. Gonna see if I can get my hands on a Regenerator Mareanie for one.
I'm in-game right now, so I'll keep an eye out for you.
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Back in the plaza now, had to exit to put the Dubious Disc on Porygon2. Unless I just missed something and there was some way to do that without leaving lol.
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I hate yellow, but THANK YOU GOD. First shiny in gen 7 and Sun! I think this was part of the 4-5th chain overall (not total encounters but total encounters of a Jangmo-o to start chaining). I have no idea how many were called in the SOS, I don't think I was too far into it. I need to calm down, I'm shaking over here...
Btw, it's nature is Lonely :( no hidden ability either, so its shit. But I'll take it :derp: now to figure out a name for a male Hakamo-o...
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Back in the plaza now, had to exit to put the Dubious Disc on Porygon2. Unless I just missed something and there was some way to do that without leaving lol.
Oh crap, sorry, I saw you disappear so I figured you didn't have Dubious Disc yet and I stopped paying attention. My bad. If you haven't found someone else to trade with by tomorrow I can help you then.
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Oh crap, sorry, I saw you disappear so I figured you didn't have Dubious Disc yet and I stopped paying attention. My bad. If you haven't found someone else to trade with by tomorrow I can help you then.
Nah it's all good. I'll wait for you for Porygon-Z since we already agreed to it. I also spent the time to breed the mons you said you were looking for, so we can still do those too.
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So I'm chaining SOS calls to try to get a Regenerator Mareanie, and I don't fully grasp the mechanics. The odds of a hidden ability go up as the chain increases, but do called Corsolas increase the odds of getting a hidden ability Mareanie or do count separate chains for separate species? And at what point in the chain, if ever, does hidden ability rate reach 100%?
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So I'm chaining SOS calls to try to get a Regenerator Mareanie, and I don't fully grasp the mechanics. The odds of a hidden ability go up as the chain increases, but do called Corsolas increase the odds of getting a hidden ability Mareanie or do count separate chains for separate species? And at what point in the chain, if ever, does hidden ability rate reach 100%?
The Corsola do count, if my Gooey Goomy was anything to go by.
Anecdote says 5% chance, minimum chain of 10. This does not rise.
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Oh wait really? There's no reason to go beyond 10? Am I reading that right? That's counter to a lot of the vague, incomplete guides I've been seeing. Fair enough, thanks.
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No you MUST go beyond 10, then start checking if they have it or not... which is a pain.
i.e. start switching in and out with the trace porygon after the first 10 chain.
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I... Think I follow you? But yeah, I dicked up on that front and pretty much have to abandon the chain. I brought a Gastro Acid user to check abilities since I seem to recall it revealing the ability in the past, but it totally doesn't now so I have no way to check ability. And I can't even get Mareanie to poison me to see if it has Merciless because it just wants to kill Corsola and is liable to break the chain if I let it do that. Where is Porygon found?
Edit: Wait, which enemy will Trace target? Is it random?
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I... Think I follow you? But yeah, I dicked up on that front and pretty much have to abandon the chain. I brought a Gastro Acid user to check abilities since I seem to recall it revealing the ability in the past, but it totally doesn't now so I have no way to check ability. And I can't even get Mareanie to poison me to see if it has Merciless because it just wants to kill Corsola and is liable to break the chain if I let it do that. Where is Porygon found?
Edit: Wait, which enemy will Trace target? Is it random?
Porygon is from aether house (where Acerola hangs out), may need to breed a few for the ability, yes it targets at random.
alternatives to Porygon are Role Play, Entertainment, Ability Swap and Worry Seed.
I think strat should be:
- false swipe corsola to 1 HP
- kill 10 corsola /Mareanie
- kill orignal corsola
- reduce new one to like 25% so Mareanies don't one shot it
- each time Mareanie spawns swap in Porygon
- pray and hope
I also note that this is a thing https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/5f5wc7/how_to_obtain_the_perfect_chaining_smeargle/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/5f5wc7/how_to_obtain_the_perfect_chaining_smeargle/)
Also fish at that one spot on route 9 if you aren't already, better corsola rates.
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At last Adamant, Oblivious, with needed egg moves Bounsweet is mine.... :V
Halfway decent IVs too.
Managed it!!!
Regenerator Mareanie is at last mine.
using comfrey to kill corsolas if they were in the red (floral healing to heal them when one spawned)
otherwise my normal false swiper
exeggcute for worry seed to check abilities
and a poison type to clear toxic spikes.
Also many healing items for poison cures and to restore PP on vital moves (worry seed and floral heal).
About 15 Mareanies into the chain.
Many (hundreds??) Corsola's died to bring me this pokemon.
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I... Think I follow you? But yeah, I dicked up on that front and pretty much have to abandon the chain. I brought a Gastro Acid user to check abilities since I seem to recall it revealing the ability in the past, but it totally doesn't now so I have no way to check ability. And I can't even get Mareanie to poison me to see if it has Merciless because it just wants to kill Corsola and is liable to break the chain if I let it do that. Where is Porygon found?
Edit: Wait, which enemy will Trace target? Is it random?
Instead of Gastro Acid, you could use a pokemon with the move Skill Swap. Sylveon is an easy one to get, and it learns Skill Swap at level 25.
This is a bit unrelated, but I've had an infestation of hidden-ability eevees in my box. I was surprised to find out they make such good trade fodder; it's pretty easy to breed a bunch of Eevees in these games without any trading. Not that I'm complaining, mind you :V
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Instead of Gastro Acid, you could use a pokemon with the move Skill Swap. Sylveon is an easy one to get, and it learns Skill Swap at level 25.
This is a bit unrelated, but I've had an infestation of hidden-ability eevees in my box. I was surprised to find out they make such good trade fodder; it's pretty easy to breed a bunch of Eevees in these games without any trading. Not that I'm complaining, mind you :V
Skill swap has the same problem as worry seed did, limited PP.
Hidden abilities mostly aren't too bad outside of SoS only pokemon, like Mareanie, Sableye or anything weather only.
main pain here is that Mareanie likes to toxic the Corsola, if that kills it bye bye chain.
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Yeah I don't really care about PP, I have like a hundred Leppa Berries. Probably gonna use a Worry Seed user.
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Nah it's all good. I'll wait for you for Porygon-Z since we already agreed to it. I also spent the time to breed the mons you said you were looking for, so we can still do those too.
Thanks for the trades, that helps me a ton. I'm remembering correctly that you did not need the Sun exclusives, right? If you did then I can go get them for you. If not, you're welcome to one my Regenerator Mareanies once I get one, plus whatever other relevant hidden abilities I can find.
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Thanks for the trades, that helps me a ton. I'm remembering correctly that you did not need the Sun exclusives, right? If you did then I can go get them for you. If not, you're welcome to one my Regenerator Mareanies once I get one, plus whatever other relevant hidden abilities I can find.
Thanks for your help too. And yeah, I'm all good, no need to worry about breeding more stuff. I think I'll pass on the Mareanie as well, but thanks for the offer.
So yeah, Alola Pokedex complete, woohoo! Afaik this is the fastest I've ever completed a Pokedex, even if it's just the 301 available mons right now and not the full 802.
Yes I did say 301, because Magearna is now available (http://www.serebii.net/news/2016/05-December-2016.shtml) for those in North America. No rush either since apparently this code doesn't expire, which is awesome. And according to Serebii, the European code is expected very soon (they say tomorrow, i.e., the 6th, though the wording kinda leaves it open), so please hang tight.
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Thanks for your help too. And yeah, I'm all good, no need to worry about breeding more stuff. I think I'll pass on the Mareanie as well, but thanks for the offer.
So yeah, Alola Pokedex complete, woohoo! Afaik this is the fastest I've ever completed a Pokedex, even if it's just the 301 available mons right now and not the full 802.
Yes I did say 301, because Magearna is now available (http://www.serebii.net/news/2016/05-December-2016.shtml) for those in North America. No rush either since apparently this code doesn't expire, which is awesome. And according to Serebii, the European code is expected very soon (they say tomorrow, i.e., the 6th, though the wording kinda leaves it open), so please hang tight.
EU one was also supposed to be today, but is late for some reason (it's being distributed via pokemon TV).
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Well, no Regenerator Mareanie yet, but I DID FIND THIS:
(http://i.imgur.com/MXBt7cB.jpg)
Chain of probably about 20.
(http://i.imgur.com/DGXCLDC.jpg)
It basically couldn't be worse in nature or ability. Haven't checked IVs yet but I DON'T CARE I LOVE IT.
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I have like a hundred Leppa Berries.
I have over 600. I used exactly 7 of them when chaining for a 4IV Ditto. 1 for the recycling original ditto, and 6 on my False Swipe Pheromosa. Took me 45-ish minutes.
And once I learned that my original team's IVs were trash I wanted a new one.
And I spent an hour hatching 20 Spearow to get that IV judger...
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IMPORTANT
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EDIT: ALSO IMPORTANT
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EDIT: ALSO IMPORTANT
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YO NEBBY GET IN THE MOTHAFUCKIN' BAG
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First shiny,
grubbin...
popped while hunting for something else.
Annoyingly "very good" speed IV as it's Relaxed and trick room abuse is very possible.
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Is there any notable glitches that have been found in Sun and Moon that isn't about the "save in the pokemon center" "bug"?
I got Pokerus from a guy off of Wonder Trade and spread it around my main party, but I've noticed after they've been cured, the bottom screen when switching in a battle still says they have Pokerus and not the little cured symbol. I'm wondering if that's intentional or not.
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Is there any notable glitches that have been found in Sun and Moon that isn't about the "save in the pokemon center" "bug"?
there are there's a reason online has some moves totally banned...
Although that is a full blown bug.
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Finally beat the main story. The Champion countered my team hard, but I remembered that stat buff items existed and won out in the end.
I was also rewarded for my trouble with a Jolly Tapu Koko on the first try!
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ahhh
I'm personally trying to get a Timid Koko since Thunderbolt > Wild Charge (even though its Attack is better than SpA)
Which wouldn't be bad if I wasn't also trying to get it with Hidden Power Ice.
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I was also rewarded for my trouble with a Jolly Tapu Koko on the first try!
Really should have rerolled my tapus more. At least they all have okay natures, just wish they weren't so essential in competitive.
Also keep your main party with you for the moment, post game can be "fun" to start with.
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ahhh
I'm personally trying to get a Timid Koko since Thunderbolt > Wild Charge (even though its Attack is better than SpA)
Which wouldn't be bad if I wasn't also trying to get it with Hidden Power Ice.
Yeah, I guess with its moveset timid > jolly, but when life gives you a low catchrate lemon with a decent nature, you make... physical attacker lemonade, or something.
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Yeah, I guess with its moveset timid > jolly, but when life gives you a low catchrate lemon with a decent nature, you make... physical attacker lemonade, or something.
It gets standard flying moveset so has some decent physical coverage on that side, not like it's job is beyond hard stopping hypnosis and making Raichu god without wasting a turn or two (has both u-turn and volt switch access).
Euro Magearna is up
QR code post end credits of the movie.
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The only thing that could have made Special Koko the thing is if it got Hurricane to pair up with Terrain-boosted Thunder in Rain
At the very least it would beat up, maybe like Venusaur instead of throwing Brave Bird at it.
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Magearna
wtf this thing is cute as hell
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I thought it was cute until I got mine. After seeing it move it's kind of creepy. And like the Tapus (and many legendary Pokemon, to be fair) it doesn't really "look like a Pokemon" to me.
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Assuming you go full trick room (TM available) on Magearna?? It's pretty close to Diancie.
It moves like the clockwork doll it is, it's either be adorable or nightmare fuel.
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FINALLY got my Regenerator Mareanie. Horrible nature, but two perfect IVs to get me started with breeding. I'll start breeding it tomorrow, so if anyone wants one please let me know.
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Assuming you go full trick room (TM available) on Magearna??
It's got a lot of options. Agility (read: Shift Gear), AV, Specs. It's such a good Pokemon with a good special move pool, a pretty good ability, great stats and great typing.
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It's got a lot of options. Agility (read: Shift Gear), AV, Specs. It's such a good Pokemon with a good special move pool, a pretty good ability, great stats and great typing.
well managed to get a fairly slow one around it's base, damn you mythicals for always having 3 perfect IVs.
54 speed, the dream...
The single type weakness is very nice indeed, combined with decent bulk and the UB ability (more or less).
Making it always hit first in addition to ramping up on kills just seems so fun, not to mention that counters most UBs, who rely on being quick to make up for being glass cannons.
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Hello catch rate 3 my old friend
I've come to fucking hate you again
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Hello catch rate 3 my old friend
I've come to fucking hate you again
Beldum?
They also know take down just to make it more painful.
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So ally chaining increases IVs, right? I need some good Dittos to breed with stuff. How high should I let the chain go before catching one?
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Beldum?
They also know take down just to make it more painful.
Nah, I murdered every beldum I saw because fuck 'em.
I'm trying to catch the guardian deities and it's been a real slog.
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So ally chaining increases IVs, right? I need some good Dittos to breed with stuff. How high should I let the chain go before catching one?
Maximised at four perfect IVs guaranteed around 20.
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Nah, I murdered every beldum I saw because fuck 'em.
I'm trying to catch the guardian deities and it's been a real slog.
Get a whole bunch of Dusk Balls, they're all indoor fights. That's how I got them anyway... well most of them. One I used a/the Level Ball for when i ran out.
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Get a whole bunch of Dusk Balls, they're all indoor fights. That's how I got them anyway... well most of them. One I used a/the Level Ball for when i ran out.
turn 1 quickball, looks to be what happened with my koko.
Fini is in a timer ball... *shudders*
Other two were false swipe+ status+ultra ball.
The worst part is having to reset after all that pain if you get a bad one.
Edit:
Just spotted another missed nice feature, all the in game trades feature 1 of each perfect IV, with a corresponding nature.
Also Vs recorder / battle video is a competitive godsend. No better way to check coverage needed vs the meta.
Anyone know how to best deal with porygon-z yet?
It (maybe eevee too?) makes Whirlwind (or something similar) or Haze mandatory on your starter mon, just by being on their team they force you to make a defensive pick.
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Belly Drum Snorlax based god stormed me through E4+Champion. Probably the first time I've become Champion somewhat underleveled, despite this game possibly being the best I've played in terms of counters and decent AI. I love it, really appreciate the final battles.
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So this happened
(http://i.imgur.com/Fpgmeu9m.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Fpgmeu9)
And then my daughter turned off my game when I wasn't paying attention. I hadn't saved.
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So this happened
(http://i.imgur.com/Fpgmeu9m.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Fpgmeu9)
And then my daughter turned off my game when I wasn't paying attention. I hadn't saved.
If you need to farm bottle caps mine for shards, then trade in;
but yeah, ouch
I see why Celesteela is so rare on GTS now... you get two and actually want two due to wanting beast boost on different stats.
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It seems mining rewards are determined when you start! (ofc to prevent save scumming)
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Oooh congrats then! That's gotta be a 1% drop rate, right?
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I have no idea, Serebii doesn't even list it?
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I have no idea, Serebii doesn't even list it?
We don't know specifics of current gen RNG right??
Would take a lot to get a decent sample for the mining, gives many things at once, so how it then interprets RNG might be complex and knowing f your guess is anywhere near right may take 10000s of data points.
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If anybody else, like me, is struggling with easy farming Battle Tree points to get breeding items because they can't breed yet, then maybe you, like me, also didn't know that Ultra Beasts are allowed in the Battle Tree. SubSalac Xurkitree seems like it should be a huge help in blasting through the lower levels for some quick points to buy Destiny Knot and evolution items.
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If anybody else, like me, is struggling with easy farming Battle Tree points to get breeding items because they can't breed yet, then maybe you, like me, also didn't know that Ultra Beasts are allowed in the Battle Tree. SubSalac Xurkitree seems like it should be a huge help in blasting through the lower levels for some quick points to buy Destiny Knot and evolution items.
you get 50 BP per run on basic battle tower (20 battles), you then unlock real battle tower, for that ruleset.
Battle royal can net you 5 per battle.
UBs and Tapu are not legendary or mythic, no restrictions!!
top VGC teams have all included a Tapu (lele or koko, some bulu) and at least one UB; kartana (focus sash) or celesteela(leftovers/leach seed)
Other newer OU picks would be Ninetales (hidden ability, then aurora veil), Marowak (lightningrod, trick room use), Megalith(Sand stream), Peliper (drizzle, tailwind), Muk (knock off), Araquanid (there is a hidden secondary effect on its ability, bonus water damage)
Muk, kartana, incineroar, toxapex, and decidueye have the battle tree ribbon for me...
still own 0 destiny knots, have done pleanty of relatively successful breeding (am relying a bit on my bottle cap supply)
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I've mostly been focusing on filling out my Pokedex (which I'm making more complicated than it needs to be by collecting one of everything, even pre-evolved forms), but yeah, I've been watching a lot of OU. The big winner as far as I'm concerned has been Z-Parting Shot Persian.
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If anybody else, like me, is struggling with easy farming Battle Tree points to get breeding items because they can't breed yet, then maybe you, like me, also didn't know that Ultra Beasts are allowed in the Battle Tree. SubSalac Xurkitree seems like it should be a huge help in blasting through the lower levels for some quick points to buy Destiny Knot and evolution items.
I see. Now I got an excuse to stop putting off that whole sidestory.
I unlocked the IV judge just yesterday, and I was surprised to find this:
(http://i.imgur.com/9A57jtJ.jpg)
Gotta get those IV-passing items soon xD
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I've mostly been focusing on filling out my Pokedex (which I'm making more complicated than it needs to be by collecting one of everything, even pre-evolved forms), but yeah, I've been watching a lot of OU. The big winner as far as I'm concerned has been Z-Parting Shot Persian.
Parting shot is still disabled in game, so will have to wait for that, alongside memento.
Does sound fun, and utility is great, but Persian has a relatively weak typing (fairies will not fear it at all), and low overall stats (although abilities make up for this somewhat).
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Parting shot is still disabled in game, so will have to wait for that, alongside memento.
Does sound fun, and utility is great, but Persian has a relatively weak typing (fairies will not fear it at all), and low overall stats (although abilities make up for this somewhat).
Oh is Parting Shot bugged or something?
The thing about Persian is that its stats don't really matter. It's extremely fast, doesn't even need an attack stat because it deals damage with Foul Play and maybe Toxic, and is physically bulky despite bad defenses thanks to Fur Coat and the fact that you have no reason not to give it max HP.
So no, fairies don't fear it, but they do fear the fact that it can bring your Mega Scizor or whatever back up to full while giving it a virtually free switch in. And it shreds Alolan Marowaks like paper, which are everywhere. Might be a good partner for Xurkitree for that reason. Maybe the aforementioned Substitute Xurkitree.
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I've actually been paying more attention to Ubers lately than OU. Helps that it's largely the same as in ORAS, so it's much more stable, though there have still been some notable tweaks to mix things up. Heart Swap Magearna just trolls Xerneas so hard. :V
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Can anyone confirm that Alomomola is actually in the Brooklet Hill totem den? Serebii and Bulbapedia both claim that it's a 20% drop in the bubbling fishing spot but I just finished 20 fishes there and didn't see a single one. Is it maybe day only and nobody's reporting that or something?
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Can anyone confirm that Alomomola is actually in the Brooklet Hill totem den? Serebii and Bulbapedia both claim that it's a 20% drop in the bubbling fishing spot but I just finished 20 fishes there and didn't see a single one. Is it maybe day only and nobody's reporting that or something?
Fishing shouldn't have a distinction between day or night. Is there something else you might be missing? No Alomomola in 20 tries seems a little iffy to be just bad luck, but then again, this is Pokemon we're talking about.
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I mean, it's possible I'm not in the right spot, but I'm pretty sure I am. As far as I know there's only one bubbling spot in the Brooklet Hill totem den. And I'm resetting it between each attempt. I'm seeing the other stuff on the spawn table (Magikarp, Wishiwashi, items). This is the most trouble I've had finding anything except maybe Pichu so far and it's on a fucking 20% spawn rate Pokemon, so it's definitely striking me as odd.
Edit: Found one after 34 runs. :V
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Oh is Parting Shot bugged or something?
Shouldn't be as far as I know, Pancham/Pangoro can learn it and are in the same egg group as Persian is (and Persian also can't learn Memento at all so I'm not sure why that was brought up).
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So I caught all the UBs in Sun, and started looking for Necrozma. Wasn't sure if it was a random encounter in the grass or whatever, so after searching around I decided to make an attempt at SOS chaining Rockruff.
Apparently SOS chaining only goes up to 255 encounters according to some sources, and past that it resets the IVs, shininess, etc. I unfortunately don't keep very good count of the chain number though...
But I do seem to have pretty good luck when I'm very laid back while doing this :V
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af11/Gabifier-tm/Stuff%20to%20be%20Done/20161212_171253_zpsfrvkhpes.jpg)
I named her Pupper. I have no idea which Lycanroc forme I should evolve it to. If I were to trade/Bank Rockruff to my Moon version, will it evolve into Midnight or will it stick with Midday since it was caught in Sun?
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I'm doing Battle Royal rounds right now and I swear every game I end up saying "that's bullshit!"
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Yeah, I haven't even messed with Battle Royales because they barely seem like a game, which is a problem I often have with that format in tabletop games and shit.
Re: Rockruff, as far as I know trading it to the other game will cause it to evolve into that game's form.
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It's more interesting than I first gave it credit for (esp. since in the intro you only use one pokemon which makes it totally pointless), but the more frustrating things are either strategies the devs had smartly planned into it or strange mechanics.
Like it still isn't really clear what happens with a should-be tie, as I've gotten ties four times and I've just lost because reasons. The game makes it clear that pokemon fainted cuts into your points so even if you have the most KOs you can still lose, but it doesn't elaborate on ties past that. I'm pretty sure I've been on both sides before as well (more points / more pokes) so I dunno.
Meanwhile silly things that have happened include
- Me setting up something crazy and then a Lapras Sheer Colds me
- A Snorlax using Selfdestruct turn 1 and getting three points (lmao)
- Me securing a final point to win, but because the remainder of the final turn finishes I got damage from Sandstorm and a burn, KOing me and costing me the game (despite a tie in points)
- Mega Alakazam Tracing a Togedemaru's Lightning Rod and getting +6 SpA because there were several Electric types and the AI didn't notice I absorbed everything
- One opponent's pokemon all being weak to Water so another dude's Feraligatr just Waterfall OHKO'd three times to win
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Oh is Parting Shot bugged or something?
Yes and absolutely banned online.
It's causing the game to freeze occasionally.
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*Shrug* Fair enough. I wouldn't play online except locally if you paid me, so that doesn't bother me much. Sucks for people not playing Showdown though. Hopefully that gets fixed soon.
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It's more interesting than I first gave it credit for (esp. since in the intro you only use one pokemon which makes it totally pointless), but the more frustrating things are either strategies the devs had smartly planned into it or strange mechanics.
Like it still isn't really clear what happens with a should-be tie, as I've gotten ties four times and I've just lost because reasons. The game makes it clear that pokemon fainted cuts into your points so even if you have the most KOs you can still lose, but it doesn't elaborate on ties past that. I'm pretty sure I've been on both sides before as well (more points / more pokes) so I dunno.
Meanwhile silly things that have happened include
- Me setting up something crazy and then a Lapras Sheer Colds me
- A Snorlax using Selfdestruct turn 1 and getting three points (lmao)
- Me securing a final point to win, but because the remainder of the final turn finishes I got damage from Sandstorm and a burn, KOing me and costing me the game (despite a tie in points)
- Mega Alakazam Tracing a Togedemaru's Lightning Rod and getting +6 SpA because there were several Electric types and the AI didn't notice I absorbed everything
- One opponent's pokemon all being weak to Water so another dude's Feraligatr just Waterfall OHKO'd three times to win
the rules in order:
You lose if all your pokes faint (obvious)
you win if you have the most points
(if draw) you win if you have most pokes still up
after that it gets complicated and is down to what order the kills were in.
The real fun tactics are when you start saving the enemy.
fake out, healing pulse, disable, taunt and spotlight make things very interesting.
You want mons with lower kill pressure to stay on the field, unless that guy is currently leading.
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I'm doing Battle Royal rounds right now and I swear every game I end up saying "that's bullshit!"
The life of an idol is never easy.
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Doin' a Nuzlocke.
Just beat Totem Wishiwashi with Brionne alone because Scald is dumb and Wishiwashi's only attack is Water Gun.
Backtracking to a few places with fishing spots I don't have a catch in right now. Current team:
Opera - Lv 20 Brionne - It gained 2 levels soloing Wishiwashi. Popplio is so much better than Litten it's not even funny.
Scarf - Lv 18 Cutifly - Melemele Medow catch. Plan to replace it if possible since I used one on my regular run.
Lance - Lv 18 Spearow - The Bird dosen't get Acrobatics but everything else does. Made sure to teach it Mirror Move; because if it survives to lategame with it's -Atk +Speed nature; I can get the Flynium Z and use Z-Mirror Move. Which gives a Swords Dance boost. Also weirdly enough I've never actually used a Spearow in a Nuzlocke. Never got one always got Pidgeys or Nidorans. Route 3.
Catters - Lv 18 Butterfree - It's a Butterfree. I wanna use something else but Butterfree can almost certainly solo Totem Laurantis since it Quad Resists everything it can do and has STAB Acrobatics so I'll probobly keep it around until then. Route 1
Doge - Lv 18 Herdier - I kinda always liked Lillipup. Z-Take Down is actually fearsome and best part; no recoil! Brooklet Hill catch.
Quartz - Lv 18 Carbink - I never walk in the grass with this guy because that is just asking for a neverending SoS. Z-Sharpen is surprisingly useful; and it carried me against Sina's Glaceon. Hits like a pillow; takes hits like a rock. -Attack nature does NOT help matters; but +Sp.Def is worth the trade once it learns a special move.
Reserves are a Grubbin; Alolan Diglett; Mudbrey; Yungoos and Magikarp. Dead are a Wingull; Abra; Alolan Rattata; Gastly and Zubat. Abra and Gastly both died to switch-out Pursuits...
Edit: Oh god fought a trainer with a Corsola and it was stronger than I expected and killed both my Butterfree and my Cutifly. Turns out my team really; really sucks against Rock+Water.
Suddenly; I'm scared as hell of Totem Laurantis.
Edit 2:
Wandering through Melemele Medow to get a catch at the Kale'e Bay.
Encounter
Look away to computer.
Hear a sound.
It's a Petilil.
'Wait is that a Shiny?'
*It calls for help*
*Summoned Petilil looks a tiny bit different*
IT IS A SHINY. Lame shiny that's almost identical to it's normal form but a shiny's a shiny and it's my first Gen 7 shiny. At least Lilligant looks better.
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Does anyone have a Salac Berry? I've been savescumming that tree on and off for two days and have dropped every other berry at least a few times (some seem to be very rare) but never a Salac. Will trade a Regenerator Mareanie with decent IVs and nature for one, or maybe some other berry if anyone's looking for anything else.
My Mareanie is approaching completion, so I'm probably gonna start on Mimikyu later. It's my favorite Pokemon this generation and maybe like, my third favorite ever, and it's REALLY good. I've been finding sashed Mimikyu to be handy in Battle Royales. Swords Dance/Leech Life/Dual STAB gives great coverage and the big Leech Lifes let you heal back up to full if you take damage (maybe from weather or hazards) to re-engage the sash. It lives forever, isn't an appealing target (especially since it has three immunities) and can snipe a lot of stragglers, especially after Swords Dance.
@Raikaria: Petilil is a GREAT shiny because Liligant is super cool. Congrats!
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>shiny petilil
>lame
bruh. :matsuriscowl:
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I see what he's saying. Shiny Petilil looks almost identical to the original.
Shiny Lilligant gets a nice pink flower though so that's nice.
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I had a similar situation with a shiny Paras once. And then a few days ago one of my roommates also caught a shiny Paras. I'm half inclined to trade her for it and start collecting them, because I can't imagine people want to hang onto them.
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I see what he's saying. Shiny Petilil looks almost identical to the original.
Yep. Also it's to the point I didn't actually notice until it SOS'ed. Because I wasn't paying attention :V
Also geez in Gen 6 it was a Shiny Klefki on Day 2 of release; now it's a Shiny Petilil. I'm good at being one of the first ones here to just randomly bump into a Shiny.
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Wow, wonder trades are going WELL today. Been sending out spare Regenerator Mareanies, been getting lots of stuff that I could honestly probably just put on teams. Just got a Honedge with perfect IVs in everything but Special Defense, which is still really good, a Japanese Mimikyu with four perfect IVs, a Japanese Magikarp with four perfect IVs (not Speed though) and, well, a lot of shit, but still, that is not bad at all.
Edit: Ooh, and an Eevee with perfect everything but HP. Is it possible the game sees level one stuff going out so is sending me equivalent stuff? Does Wonder Trade do that?
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Wow, wonder trades are going WELL today. Been sending out spare Regenerator Mareanies, been getting lots of stuff that I could honestly probably just put on teams. Just got a Honedge with perfect IVs in everything but Special Defense, which is still really good, a Japanese Mimikyu with four perfect IVs, a Japanese Magikarp with four perfect IVs (not Speed though) and, well, a lot of shit, but still, that is not bad at all.
Edit: Ooh, and an Eevee with perfect everything but HP. Is it possible the game sees level one stuff going out so is sending me equivalent stuff? Does Wonder Trade do that?
I don't think so, just that breeding rejects are what everyone (wonder) trades.
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Got a shiny Type: Null (https://68.media.tumblr.com/b20b4a5bfe80cfb5c986e86b7ccac946/tumblr_oi7x0zhvf11tthegko2_1280.jpg) in Moon after roughly 100 soft resets within an hour. What is with the shiny rate in this game, I'm never that lucky.
Also got a Timid Nihilego on the first go in Moon (no Synchronizer!), where in Sun it took me more than 50 attempts with a Synchronizer. wtf
Doin' a Nuzlocke.
Edit 2:
Wandering through Melemele Medow to get a catch at the Kale'e Bay.
Encounter
Look away to computer.
Hear a sound.
It's a Petilil.
'Wait is that a Shiny?'
*It calls for help*
*Summoned Petilil looks a tiny bit different*
IT IS A SHINY. Lame shiny that's almost identical to it's normal form but a shiny's a shiny and it's my first Gen 7 shiny. At least Lilligant looks better.
Congrats on that amazing luck :V does it have good stats?
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What do you guys think of Tsareena in singles? Kind of want to use her but she seems... Not great. Her ability should get her some free switchins which is interesting, especially paired with stuff that tends to be weak to priority like Alakazam or I guess Pheromosa, but her moveset seems... Bad.
My best guess for a set is an AV set that uses Trop Kick to give her some physical bulk as well, but I'm not sure how to invest it. If I go the max attack/max speed that her moveset seems to want she still won't be taking hits very well, even for an allegedly bulky set. Maybe banded is the way to go and rely on the priority immunity to get easy switchins?
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What do you guys think of Tsareena in singles? Kind of want to use her but she seems... Not great. Her ability should get her some free switchins which is interesting, especially paired with stuff that tends to be weak to priority like Alakazam or I guess Pheromosa, but her moveset seems... Bad.
My best guess for a set is an AV set that uses Trop Kick to give her some physical bulk as well, but I'm not sure how to invest it. If I go the max attack/max speed that her moveset seems to want she still won't be taking hits very well, even for an allegedly bulky set. Maybe banded is the way to go and rely on the priority immunity to get easy switchins?
on Tsareena mine is running atk/SpDef
trop kick gives physical bulk as you guessed
Trop kick
Play rough
synthesis
u-turn/rapid spin
priority immunity and resisting that staple coverage move earthquake is quite nice.
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In my slapdash Battle Tree teams I've been throwing Normalium-Z and Giga Impact or Hyper Beam on a lot of stuff with open space for items and moves, especially bulky attackers who don't necessarily want a Life Orb. No idea if that translates to being remotely competitive, but it's interesting.
By the way, if you're tired of losing to all of Battle Tower's various RNG troll sets and grindy stall sets I've been finding that Kartana with Substitute counters most of them. It's immune to Toxic and Leech Seed, Smart Strike hits through Double Team spam, and it's generally fast enough to get a sub up before most things that want to Confuse Ray or Swagger you get the chance (which, it turns out, is a lot of things). I'm running the aforementioned Giga Impact-Z along with sub and dual stabs, but weirdly Swords Dance might be better for powering through stalling grass types.
Also finished my Bounsweet, which is EV training now. Decided to go full special bulk with HP and Special Defense investment, I really hope that ends up working with how annoying breeding female-only Pokemon is.
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I finally got a 6IV Ditto with Destiny Knot and breeding it with a Mudbray for a 6IV Mudsdale. I then want to get 252 in each Defense and Special defense, with Attack so that I can have a bulky ground type in my team. All of the pokemon I'm considering are pretty much glass cannons and I need something to set up for them.
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Okay, so what's the trick with weather-based SOS Pokemon? I'm on the 120th ally Pokemon in a fight with a Crabrawler on Route 17 and I haven't seen one goddamn thing. Bulbadpedia claims Goomy and Castform are have 10% rates in the rain, but there is no way in hell that's true. It's raining. I'm on Route 17. What am I doing wrong?
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Okay, so what's the trick with weather-based SOS Pokemon? I'm on the 120th ally Pokemon in a fight with a Crabrawler on Route 17 and I haven't seen one goddamn thing. Bulbadpedia claims Goomy and Castform are have 10% rates in the rain, but there is no way in hell that's true. It's raining. I'm on Route 17. What am I doing wrong?
Not even Serebii.net says anything. Literally only "Weather SOS Battle". No Pokemon required or anything.
In other news, I finally got a 6IV Mudbray and dumped it in with my 6IV Ditto. Then I realized that if I want 6IV eggs, I need 2 destiny knots. I only have 1. WELP
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Just beat Sun, time to draft a team and breed/capture them
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Okay, so what's the trick with weather-based SOS Pokemon? I'm on the 120th ally Pokemon in a fight with a Crabrawler on Route 17 and I haven't seen one goddamn thing. Bulbadpedia claims Goomy and Castform are have 10% rates in the rain, but there is no way in hell that's true. It's raining. I'm on Route 17. What am I doing wrong?
The problem is Route 17. It's apparently a 1% chance there, but in Tapu Village, Haina Desert, or Mount Lanakila, the chance is 10% in the rain. So get a Pokemon with rain dance/drizzle/Kyogre, go to Haina Desert, and do tons of SOS battles. That should work.
Link to the chart (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/SOS_Battle#Weather-dependent_allies)
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Am I reading this chart wrong? That's not what it looks like it says to me.
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You partially are, because it definitely says "1% in rain, 10% in hail, 10% in sandstorm" for route 17 for Castform.
Not sure what's up with Goomy though.
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goomy was a PITA, best bet is using rain dance/drizzle somewhere it can rain (but not route 17), or just waiting for natural rain. (not malie garden, that will get poliwrath/toed instead)
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Okay, so looking at Route 17 directly on Bulbapedia, it lists the encounter location for Goomy/Castform as "grass", with Crabrawler off in its own section labeled "berry pile" (as expected). Nothing about Goomy/Castform being available from the berry pile though.
So I suppose don't use Crabrawler for weather stuff?
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I have a 6IV Ditto with breeding with a 6IV Mudbray. Both are holding Destiny Knots. Does this mean that if there's an IV that one misses, the other Destiny Knot might be able to fill the missing IV in?
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No. Unless they changed it. You're better off DK + Everstone or DK + Power Item.
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No. Unless they changed it. You're better off DK + Everstone or DK + Power Item.
So I wasted hours on the Battle Tree for nothing?
welp time to farm 16 more bp then
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by the by for anything that doesn't use Attack, 0 Attack IVs is preferred for the occasional Foul Play users out there.
Not that we have a means of decreasing IVs, yet...
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Minimum attack also matters for confusion and now Strength Sap I think?
And it's so niche it will never happen, but minimum special attack teeechnically matters when like, switching in on a Power Split from a special attacker.
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So this is a weird question, but does anyone have a
Cosmeon
on hand they can trade me for just a minute? It's the last thing I need to complete my Pokedex and I don't want to evolve my Cosmog
because I like having it around and petting it.
I think I'm gonna need to acquire and play through a copy of Moon to get a Type: Null, Lunala, and the above Pokemon since I like having all of the Pokemon in Pokedex order in my PC and those slots will be empty otherwise.
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Eevee hunting was a pain yesterday, especially when I had to abuse the SOS system for Espeon I still need to hunt for Umbreon since I have Moon it won't be hard unless I end up getting shitty luck like I did yesterday.
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So this is a weird question, but does anyone have a Cosmeon
on hand they can trade me for just a minute? It's the last thing I need to complete my Pokedex and I don't want to evolve my Cosmog
because I like having it around and petting it.
I think I'm gonna need to acquire and play through a copy of Moon to get a Type: Null, Lunala, and the above Pokemon since I like having all of the Pokemon in Pokedex order in my PC and those slots will be empty otherwise.
You could get a Kommo-o or Weavile and ask for a Cosmoem on the GTS. I did some hunting for the Dex and got about 3-4 Cosmogs now because I had leftover rare mons to spare.
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Oh really? Huh... I think I have an extra Kommo-o. Weavile might not even be THAT hard to get more of since I stopped taking internet's advice about using Compoundeyes and just used a Mimikyu (immune to all attacks wild Jangmo-o and pals can have) with Thief in an SOS battle.
Thanks for the tip. Should be able to get myself a Lunala that way too I would think if I just evolve a spare Cosmog into a Solgaleo and trade that.
Edit: Just got home from work to check the GTS, and yup, someone gave me a Cosmog for a Weavile. Gotts take advantage while this lasts, go get two more Weaviles and see if I can get another Cosmog and a Type: Null (which may be a stretch).
Edit edit: Lolwut I threw a spare Kommo-o up asking for a Type: Null just to see what would happen and I got one. Color me surprised. Kommo-o isn't even that hard to get... So in total I got two spare Cosmogs (one to evolve into Cosmeom and one to evolve into Solgaleo to trade for Lunala) and a Type: Null for basically nothing. And I even have enough Razor Claws to make another Weavile for myself. So I need to evolve a Dragonite to complete my Pokedex and do some minor cleanup and I'll have a complete Pokedex AND a copy of every single available Pokemon. And just in time to beat the Pokebank, too!
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Not Sun and Moon related exactly, but...
Might as well attempt to get the Battle Maison ribbons in XY/ORAS before the Bank comes out so my beloved Delcatty has at least one of the ribbons.
Get a perfect (shiny event) Gengar, its Mega can pull me through pretty well. Have a Talonflame and Dragonite because they're one of the few mons I got from trades that are well trained for this. Give Delcatty Fake Out so I can set up.
Think to myself, "Doubles can't be that hard! I just need a win streak of 20 to get one of the ribbons!" and "What's the worst that could happen?" :V
Never have I been so wrong. Lost on a win streak of 15 to Blizzard. Then a Girafarig killed Delcatty in one go. That god damn A.I. caught on to me quick
I never realized how much I suck at competitive battling. :( If I can't even get a streak of 20 in XY/ORAS, there's no way I can beat the Battle Tree Doubles with only 3 good mons and a Delcatty. I can't even begin to imagine the hell I'm gonna go through all for the sake of a ribbon (much worse if I want both). Got at least 3 Golden Bottlecaps and I bet that won't make my Delcatty any better, even with the new 90 base speed.
On a positive note, I hatched a shiny Minior the other day, completing my Minior color collection :'D
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Doubles are their own weird thing. What works in singles doesn't necessarily work in doubles, but I kind of think doubles is a weaker format overall because it can be real matchup-specific. Like sometimes just picking the wrong two things to lead fucks you so badly that there's no coming back, and that's rare in singles. That said, there are some pairings that can really goof up the AI, you just gotta feel out what they are.
Dang, shiny Minior! Nice! What color is it?
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If you pick the wrong lead in singles you suffer a pretty big momentum loss as well, and you instantly have to play riskier.
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Doubles are their own weird thing. What works in singles doesn't necessarily work in doubles, but I kind of think doubles is a weaker format overall because it can be real matchup-specific. Like sometimes just picking the wrong two things to lead fucks you so badly that there's no coming back, and that's rare in singles. That said, there are some pairings that can really goof up the AI, you just gotta feel out what they are.
Dang, shiny Minior! Nice! What color is it?
It probably wasn't a good idea for me to lead with M-Gengar and Delcatty then, or bring both Talonflame and Dragonite, considering I have didn't have anything to counter their weaknesses and they have the wrong abilities. And maybe Delcatty's EVs weren't the best (HP and Speed). The A.I. started throwing ghosts, normals, grass, and dark types along with mid-evos and 1 stage strong mons at me, and I feel like it's gonna stick with that now since when I started another streak it got better at attempting to kill me on the first go.
I prefer Doubles because I like my battles like that and I heard it was easy (I'd go for Singles, but it'd leave me with only 2 good mons). I heard that Mega Kangaskhan is a better mega option that can sweep everything, but it'd take me forever to breed a perfect one. And I'm not sure what'd be the perfect party exactly. As far as I know, Delcatty's Fake Out is good for help setting up, but it can't help damage anything (due to my EV spread). I'd go for ORAS' multi and see if Steven/whoever could drag me up to get at least the 1st ribbon, but I don't think I can support much. :ohdear: I'd be satisfied with at least getting the Skillful Battler Ribbon, it'd be a dream to also get the Expert Battler Ribbon (which looks nicer).
Shiny Minior is black with rainbow confetti-triangles (I used a jap. red core for breeding, so its party sprite is red core):
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/fb12eebe40a063eb6791781d20671762/tumblr_oizlt9HhIn1tthegko1_1280.jpg)
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Talonflame without Gale Wings is absolutely useless, (and now with Gale Wings nerfed it's pretty bad even with it).
Fake out is good for setting up, with only one attack incoming (usually not super effective) this gives your partner an easy opportunity to boost, introduce trick room or tailwind, spore or paralyze or taunt a treat etc.
If you need decently IV pokemon you can always ask for them and I'll see if I have some lying around.
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It probably wasn't a good idea for me to lead with M-Gengar and Delcatty then, or bring both Talonflame and Dragonite, considering I have didn't have anything to counter their weaknesses and they have the wrong abilities. And maybe Delcatty's EVs weren't the best (HP and Speed). The A.I. started throwing ghosts, normals, grass, and dark types along with mid-evos and 1 stage strong mons at me, and I feel like it's gonna stick with that now since when I started another streak it got better at attempting to kill me on the first go.
Dragonite and Talonflame are both great options for doubles, but you have to support them right since they both have quad weaknesses to common attack types. Gengar is generally fantastic but may need a specialized moveset. Delcatty... I have no idea. There might be some support moves that make it worth running in doubles. I know it's not used commonly so there are probably better options, but it may not be useless. And kind of isn't optional if the point is to get it the ribbon.
As far as I know, Delcatty's Fake Out is good for help setting up, but it can't help damage anything (due to my EV spread).
I don't the the EV spread is the only thing standing in the way of Delcatty's damage output. Even max attack banded won't be hitting hard enough to justify using it over something else. Support is your best choice I think, and you've got the right EVs for that.
Shiny Minior is black with rainbow confetti-triangles (I used a jap. red core for breeding, so its party sprite is red core):
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/fb12eebe40a063eb6791781d20671762/tumblr_oizlt9HhIn1tthegko1_1280.jpg)
Ooooooh! That is GORGEOUS! What a cool shiny!
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I hate everything about everything but at least this is done now and the reward was worth it (http://kilgamayan.tumblr.com/post/155177938026/)
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Idol style best style
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I hate everything about everything but at least this is done now and the reward was worth it (http://kilgamayan.tumblr.com/post/155177938026/)
Hilariously enough I just went in with my perfected Trick Room team and cleared them all in 1 try, Milotic OP
In other news I killed a Dragonite I was chaining for Marvel Scale and I hate everything
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Talonflame without Gale Wings is absolutely useless, (and now with Gale Wings nerfed it's pretty bad even with it).
I figured it was, but I attempted to go without it anyways and got punished for it ^^;
If you need decently IV pokemon you can always ask for them and I'll see if I have some lying around.
I'd like that, but I don't know exactly what I'd need (or what to offer in return).
Dragonite and Talonflame are both great options for doubles, but you have to support them right since they both have quad weaknesses to common attack types. Gengar is generally fantastic but may need a specialized moveset. Delcatty... I have no idea. There might be some support moves that make it worth running in doubles. I know it's not used commonly so there are probably better options, but it may not be useless. And kind of isn't optional if the point is to get it the ribbon.
I don't the the EV spread is the only thing standing in the way of Delcatty's damage output. Even max attack banded won't be hitting hard enough to justify using it over something else. Support is your best choice I think, and you've got the right EVs for that.
Well that's good to know I did something right. I hope it'll be better once it gets transported to Sun and Moon and gets the Golden Bottlecap for the Battle Tree (and maybe Royale)
I could replace them (Dragonite and Talonflame, since without their hidden abilities they're not the best they could be) and find better mons if I knew what'd be perfect.
My Delcatty's moveset has:
Covet
Feint Attack
Iron Tail
Fake Out
Held Item: Focus Sash (which at my ended streak I stupidly replaced with a Brightpowder and got one-shotted; never again)
I thought of teaching it Thunder Wave and replacing Iron Tail so I can spread paralysis, and maybe changing the ability to Normalize (since I got 21 Ability Capsules from the Global Link :V) so it can paralyze anything, but then the A.I. might start throwing more ghosts to prevent that (which Gengar could take out, but it could also die quickly to them). I'd have a better set obviously if I got rid of the first 2 moves, but (personal preferences) I don't want to remove them and I might not get them again. :ohdear: the pain of having an old mon...
Gengar has its mega stone with this moveset:
Shadow Ball
Sludge Bomb (because Sludge Wave kept hitting my partner hard and the A.I. started throwing grass to force me to use it so it dies)
Protect
Destiny Bond (last resort option since Shadow Tag forces them to stay in)
EVs are max Sp. Attk and Speed.
Ooooooh! That is GORGEOUS! What a cool shiny!
Ikr? :D it was worth the 807 eggs :'D
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I could replace them (Dragonite and Talonflame, since without their hidden abilities they're not the best they could be) and find better mons if I knew what'd be perfect.
Actually Inner Focus isn't a terrible ability for Dragonite in doubles. Since Fake Out spam is everywhere it can get you some surprise opportunities to really fuck up your opponent. Dragonite will always be either very weak to Fake Out or very strong against it depending on its ability.
My Delcatty's moveset has:
Covet
Feint Attack
Iron Tail
Fake Out
Held Item: Focus Sash (which at my ended streak I stupidly replaced with a Brightpowder and got one-shotted; never again)
So first of all it seems like you know this, but never use Brightpowder. It's an awful item and is a total waste of a slot. Focus Sash, Sitrus Berry, Metal Herb, and even the much-maligned-in-doubles Leftovers are much better options. Same with Quick Claw, just don't waste your time with extremely low-RNG stuff like that.
That moveset seems... Not great. The Fake Out is good, you probably want that for sure. Covet only works if you item is gone, and Iron Tail and Feint Attack are just super weak. Other viable moves (not including egg moves) include:
-Icy Wind (more for the speed drop than the damage, depends on your teammates as to whether this is worth it, but probably preferable over Thunder Wave if you do)
-Helping Hand (amazing in doubles, especially for allies with moves that hit both opponents)
-Heal Bell or Safeguard (kind of niche, but can be a godsend in some situations)
-Toxic (probably too slow for doubles, but at least cripples stall sets that aren't immune to it)
-Assist (only on some VERY specific gimmick teams)
-Charm (not ideal, but a fast way to cripple physical attackers isn't nothing)
-Protect or Substitute (pretty much always a decent option on anything in doubles)
So that being the case I would probably run something like Fake Out, Icy Wind, Helping Hand, Charm. There are almost certainly other Pokemon that can pull off this basic role better, but if you are going to use Delcatty I think that set with a Focus Sash or maybe Sitrus Berry would be non-useless.
Gengar has its mega stone with this moveset:
Shadow Ball
Sludge Bomb (because Sludge Wave kept hitting my partner hard and the A.I. started throwing grass to force me to use it so it dies)
Protect
Destiny Bond (last resort option since Shadow Tag forces them to stay in)
EVs are max Sp. Attk and Speed.
Ikr? :D it was worth the 807 eggs :'D
Yeah, that's probably the most standard Gengar set in doubles. That should do a lot of work if you're careful with it.
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I'd like that, but I don't know exactly what I'd need (or what to offer in return).
If you're looking for HA Dragonites and Talonflame I can provide you with at least a decent one. You don't need to offer anything in return, there's nothing I need anyway.
Yeah, that's probably the most standard Gengar set in doubles. That should do a lot of work if you're careful with it.
The most standard Gengar set maybe. In doubles most [M]Gengar sets are a lot more supportive, with Taunt, Will-o-Wisp, Substitute, Perish Song etc.
I'd think Perish Trapping would work well against AI. It'd probably be the best if you''re leading Mega Gengar + Delcatty.
Delcatty @ Focus Sash
- Thunder Wave
- Fake Out
- Protect
- Heal Bell
Gengar @ Gengarite
- Shadow Ball
- Perish Song
- Substitute
- Protect
Thunder Wave for speed control, then have some power in the back like Swords Dance Scizor or Banded Dragonite.
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So first of all it seems like you know this, but never use Brightpowder. It's an awful item and is a total waste of a slot. Focus Sash, Sitrus Berry, Metal Herb, and even the much-maligned-in-doubles Leftovers are much better options. Same with Quick Claw, just don't waste your time with extremely low-RNG stuff like that.
That moveset seems... Not great. The Fake Out is good, you probably want that for sure. Covet only works if you item is gone, and Iron Tail and Feint Attack are just super weak. Other viable moves (not including egg moves) include:
-Icy Wind (more for the speed drop than the damage, depends on your teammates as to whether this is worth it, but probably preferable over Thunder Wave if you do)
-Helping Hand (amazing in doubles, especially for allies with moves that hit both opponents)
-Heal Bell or Safeguard (kind of niche, but can be a godsend in some situations)
-Toxic (probably too slow for doubles, but at least cripples stall sets that aren't immune to it)
-Assist (only on some VERY specific gimmick teams)
-Charm (not ideal, but a fast way to cripple physical attackers isn't nothing)
-Protect or Substitute (pretty much always a decent option on anything in doubles)
So that being the case I would probably run something like Fake Out, Icy Wind, Helping Hand, Charm. There are almost certainly other Pokemon that can pull off this basic role better, but if you are going to use Delcatty I think that set with a Focus Sash or maybe Sitrus Berry would be non-useless.
Yeah, lesson learned since it screwed me over. OTL
Only moves I can't use on your list is Charm and Assist because this mon is unfortunately very old (from the good old days of Sapphire when I was a kid; this explains the want for the ribbons) and move relearner doesn't have them show up. Everything else I have enough BP for though.
I can apparently get back Covet via ORAS move tutor if I wanted to, huh. Not a total loss. But Feint Attack is, ugh. I'm so antsy about it...
If you're looking for HA Dragonites and Talonflame I can provide you with at least a decent one. You don't need to offer anything in return, there's nothing I need anyway.
In doubles most [M]Gengar sets are a lot more supportive, with Taunt, Will-o-Wisp, Substitute, Perish Song etc.
I'd think Perish Trapping would work well against the A.I. It'd probably be the best if you're leading Mega Gengar + Delcatty.
Delcatty @ Focus Sash
- Thunder Wave
- Fake Out
- Protect
- Heal Bell
Gengar @ Gengarite
- Shadow Ball
- Perish Song
- Substitute
- Protect
Thunder Wave for speed control, then have some power in the back like Swords Dance Scizor or Banded Dragonite.
Such a devious set, but unfortunately my Gengar doesn't know/can't relearn Perish Song (it's an event shiny I got via code (http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/0/0f/North_America_October_2014_Gengar_code.jpg) that got the right nature and IV spread). Could breed it, but god knows how long it'd take for the egg to get good IVs (then Super Training yet again).
Scizor sounds like a better option than Talonflame tbh. Wouldn't have to deal with Blizzard like last time.
Question now is, should Delcatty's ability be Normalize or not? I have no access to Wonder Skin since it's an old mon.
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If you are doing XY/ORAS you shouldn't need to use Super Training? Horde EV training is super efficient and is something I miss.
As for Cute Charm vs Normalize, I don't think I have a strong opinion either way. Honestly paralysing both Ground and Ghost types is useful. Depends if you have a resist to either of these types to warrant running the control.
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If you are doing XY/ORAS you shouldn't need to use Super Training? Horde EV training is super efficient and is something I miss.
As for Cute Charm vs Normalize, I don't think I have a strong opinion either way. Honestly paralysing both Ground and Ghost types is useful. Depends if you have a resist to either of these types to warrant running the control.
I like Super Training more since it helps me keep better track of the EV spread (even if it gets slightly tedious).
Made another attempt at the Maison, swapped the items around this time and keeping the same party just to see if that helps. I got up to 10 before I ended up screwing myself over (Choice Band Dragonite, mis-clicked on Dragon Dance and got locked into it after all my other mons died to a Grumpig). Talonflame isn't putting in much work, so yeah I think Scizor's gonna work better (might need a better Gengar since I feel like mine's slightly weaker than it should be).
I did little better and noticed the A.I. started focusing more on taking out Delcatty and bringing in a lot of ground types to attempt to trap me into using M-Gengar and EQing it (which confirms that Normalize is much more important than Cute Charm, even if it means Delcatty can't hit ghosts). I'm getting more convinced I need to keep Feint Attack because it started throwing Minimize spammers (and some Cheri Berry holders) towards the end (Delcatty can do a nice chunk of damage thanks to a small 4 Attk EV, better when I give it Normalize). Dragonite ain't having many issues other than my mistake, so I don't think I need a better one.
If you got a good Scizor and Gengar (with Perish Song, cuz I'd like to surprise the A.I. with that as a last resort rather than Destiny Bond), I'd like to trade (don't need their hold items items since I got plenty of BP from the Bank to get them) :)
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(http://i.imgur.com/rxrOEy4.jpg)
It took many hours (about 800 chains I think) but I FINALLY got a shiny Ditto.
It's not Impostor unfortunately, but it has four perfect IVs so that's nice. Not useful for battling, but useful for seeing every shiny form for my Pokedex if I want to (if you didn't know, shiny Ditto turns into the shiny form of whatever it transforms into).
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Oh right I forgot if I ever posted in here since Christmas when I got the game but I just beat the game, did the postgame mission things, and caught the post-postgame legendary thing. Was a fun experience.
Incredibly miffed that they put Lillie on a boat
even if it's justified as to why.
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Apparently today is the day of finally getting things I've been trying to get forever, because I also FINALLY got a Salac berry after like 100+ attempts (including many resets, which may or may not help because some people claim the trees pull from a set list each day).
Can you wonder trade Pokemon holding items? Everything I send out from now on comes with a Salac berry.
Edit: Jesus, Salac berries take 72 hours to grow. Well, I guess I have a lot of excuses to use beans now. I'll build up a healthy supply of them and then start sending them out.
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Time to perform an experiment then!
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You can!
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Alright, I've got one hundred of Salac Berries now. If anybody wants one let me know, they're free to a good home (not that I wouldn't accept other rare berries in exchange for them...).
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Oh right, ccool, did you want that foreign Fomantis still? If so, come into the IRC and we can arrange that.
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Yeah, next time I see you on IRC we can work something out.
Edit: Okay, nevermind. Just got one in a Wonder Trade. Well, you're free to take anything of mine you want if there's anything that's interesting to you, but turns out I don't need a Fomantis after all.
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Nah I'm good, but glad it worked out for you!
Guess this one's gonna go fill the void your new one left or something. *shrug*
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Completing the Dex is becoming 100% Pure Hell. Specifically, Porygon2 and Porygon-Z.
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Yeah, people are really stingy with the Porygon evols it seems. Any item + trade evols seem to be this way, and it's really annoying. Better find close friends or be really lucky or have something rare as hell to exchange! Thankfully most can be traded for other item + trade evol mons, but not the Porygons.
Edit: I do have a porygon with an up-grade sitting in GTS limbo right now. If you have one too you might be able to find it fast.
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When in doubt, spam Weavile apparently. Or yeah, trade with one of us or with a local friend.
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Well, about a day or so after my last post, I got the 'dex completed. Now there's just four stamps left. I'm guessing it's
Battle Tree completion, Title Defense completion,
and another two I'm unsure of?
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Well, about a day or so after my last post, I got the 'dex completed. Now there's just four stamps left. I'm guessing it's Battle Tree completion, Title Defense completion,
and another two I'm unsure of?
poke finder?
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Ah, I see, then. Well, figures. Guess I've got a date with
a certain spot in Panoia ranch and a couple hours of work ahead,
there.
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Ah, I see, then. Well, figures. Guess I've got a date with a certain spot in Panoia ranch and a couple hours of work ahead,
there.
Actually, the best spot is founding an Absol on Mount Lanakila (the path to Pok?mon League). You get a lot of likes from one photo.
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I just started the 100% pokedex quest and left the first island with 50+. Hopefully good fortune in trading will be sufficient to get the real tough ones. I'm half-tempted to finish with exactly one of each kind of pokey in stock but we'll see how quickly those dreams are dashed. I think it's almost time for the breeding place and this is the first time I'll actually use it. I'm guessing I'm not trained or equipped enough for this but oh well time for some awkward poke-romancing.
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I just started the 100% pokedex quest and left the first island with 50+. Hopefully good fortune in trading will be sufficient to get the real tough ones. I'm half-tempted to finish with exactly one of each kind of pokey in stock but we'll see how quickly those dreams are dashed. I think it's almost time for the breeding place and this is the first time I'll actually use it. I'm guessing I'm not trained or equipped enough for this but oh well time for some awkward poke-romancing.
I filled out my Pokedex with one of everything and it wasn't too bad. Much trickier for the legendaries (extra Type Null and several extra Cosmogs) if the Weavile market has died down, but maybe it hasn't.
Let me know if you need anything reproducible. I can make eggs of whatever.
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Got Porygon2 and Porygon-Z the other day. All I got left is Scizor, and I got a Scyther w/ a Metal Coat sitting on the GTS...
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(http://i.imgur.com/6zasGC4.jpg)
FINALLY.
YES.
Took, fittingly, a bit under 500 eggs using the Masuda Method and shiny charm.
Pretty good stats, the only things not maxed out are special attack (don't care) and, unfortunately, speed. Will Hyper Train I guess. And of course it's Jolly because I bred it.
I still have about 50 unhatched eggs, maybe I'll get super lucky and get a second one.
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FINALLY.
YES.
Took, fittingly, a bit under 500 eggs using the Masuda Method and shiny charm.
Pretty good stats, the only things not maxed out are special attack (don't care) and, unfortunately, speed. Will Hyper Train I guess. And of course it's Jolly because I bred it.
I still have about 50 unhatched eggs, maybe I'll get super lucky and get a second one.
Nice, I'm about to go hatch for one myself with the swap method for the first time. Because apparently I have a shiny Mimikyu in my dex and I swear I've never encountered a wild one, so its either due to WT or a Battle Video I watched.
I took a break from my Ribbon quest since the Bank's taking its time to come out, and I got 3 shinies this month.
I tried to go for Eevee, and I ended up finding a shiny Espeon (https://68.media.tumblr.com/33504c7eeef5a43850a2f70e83a1498a/tumblr_ojp554Mk8b1tthegko2_1280.jpg) in a low chain count (it was the second Espeon to appear).
The next day I wanted a Finneon and decided to actually count my chain this time. I got one at 167 (https://68.media.tumblr.com/0d17e9a560a1c3bfc94dad2516b33d04/tumblr_ojp554Mk8b1tthegko1_1280.jpg), with its hidden ability~
And then I finally got a shiny Eevee (https://68.media.tumblr.com/f98608952e637079c7bed5164ca76928/tumblr_ojulruyBqr1tthegko1_1280.jpg) after hatching 112 eggs a few days later (had 5 eggs left over, but no second shiny unfortunately).
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I filled out my Pokedex with one of everything and it wasn't too bad. Much trickier for the legendaries (extra Type Null and several extra Cosmogs) if the Weavile market has died down, but maybe it hasn't.
Let me know if you need anything reproducible. I can make eggs of whatever.
Really, I'm looking to get into breeding myself more than anything else, but my understanding is that the breeding Swiss army knife dittos are a long way off. I suppose this wouldn't be too bad but I'd like to breed stuff like the starters and a bunch of semi-rare pokeys that would be a giant pain to breed using conventional methods. :V
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Breeding isn't TOO bad right now. It's easy to get a small stockpile of good Dittos through ally chaining even though a perfect one isn't really plausible. And if the thing you're trying to breed is available in the wild you can get a real good starting point through the same method. The fact that Poke Pelago will hatch your eggs for you makes it a lot less tedious.
If you're trying to breed starters I recommend doing some Wonder Trading. You should get a decent number of starters with good IVs relatively quickly. Some of them might even be playable as-is.
What are you looking to make? What would be "a giant pain to breed through conventional methods"?
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Quite a few things can be a giant pain to breed through conventional methods, commandercool. Such as a female Eevee with a hidden ability and a specific hidden power. Mostly because it's just so hard to breed a female eevee in the first place, unless you happen to get lucky. And even if both parents have hidden abilities, the chance of passing it down is a mere 60%.
That's just an example, though.
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I mean, I guess, but isn't that putting completely arbitrary restrictions on yourself in almost every case? I get if you want a female Eevee for flavor reasons or a competitive Eevee for battling, but you don't need a competitive female Eevee. Do you? I don't know, maybe that's more important to people than I realize, but that seems like making things difficult just to make them difficult to me.
Admittedly Hidden Power, which does have legit applications, IS kind of a nightmare though.
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Fair enough about the competitive; the gender isn't really necessary in case of Eevee (and most pokemon), and would make things unnecessarily difficult. Though if you do want one of those few pokemon where it'd matter (hello, Salazzle and Gallade!), then that's an extra layer of annoyance on the Pokemon-breeding Sandwich of PainTM.
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Speaking of pain, has anyone figured out how to power-level things for Hyper Training yet? It takes sooooo looooong in this game and surely there's a better way than just smashing into the Elite Four dozens and dozens of times, right?
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Uh, I think we've got two very different endpoints so I'll try to cover mine in order to show where I'm coming from:
1. I want to play through the game using a team of pokeys of my choosing. This includes one of each of the three starters. I got all of them through wonder trade, but would actually prefer to have them level up at a regular rate and not the trade-boosted one. If I breed them, I'll get them with the normal rate. Since none of them are female and it's a 1/8 chance to get a female, I'd just prefer to breed the starters by going the ditto route.
2. I want to have one of each type of pokey and have it stored it in the bank by the time I'm done. To do so, I basically just want to have a simple way of getting copies of many pokemon without having to rely on trades. I'm not looking forward to catching or trading for 9 eevees and if catching one mareanie is such a pain I'd prefer to breed it than catch another. Again, this makes breeding via ditto seem like the way to go because I just want to get semi-rare pokeys and breed them to get more.
3. I'm really digging this game but I have others to play. I don't really care so much about getting pokeys with a specific IV or Nature. I'm not touching PVP. It's more or less about filling out the pokedex, having one of each kind in stock, and finishing the game with a team I want moreso than anything else. Trading is nice, but I'd like to use as many tools as possible.
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Wait, what? I don't understand what your problem is then. You said "breeding Swiss army knife dittos are a long way off" which made me assuming you meant breeding for IVs, since breeding for collection doesn't take a "Swiss army knife Ditto" of any kind. What did you mean?
I'm certainly not recommending trade-only or anything, I understand that you want to breed since you, you know, said that. I guess I'm just hung up on why any ol' Ditto wouldn't do for what you're talking about here.
Sorry, I'm probably getting hung up on nothing. Feel free to ignore me if this is stupid.
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Bank and Transporter update is out guys :]
You get a Mewnium Z for updating.
Transporter update allows you to transfer mons off of RBY VC, but Mews obtained with the Mew glitch and any glitch pokemon such as Missingno. are not allowed to transfer (I tried...). Someone has reported that transporting a box with a Missingno. in it may alter the names of your mons in the box to MISSINGNO- or take on the name of the pokemon before it (only 1 case so far), so be careful. All mons from RBY have their HA and may have fixed natures according to their levels.
If you can't find the update, type in "bank" in the search bar in the eShop. You can't use Pokemon Bank until you apply the update.
There's a national dex option in Pokemon Bank; you can access it by pressing Y. You can also view records such as # of eggs hatched and pokemon encountered total between games.
I haven't transferred my living dex yet myself, but I will once I get things organized. Transferring anything from XYORAS to SunMoon is a one way trip, they can never go back to XYORAS even if they have nothing from Alola in their data.
Also not transferring right away because...
...lost my Super Doubles ribbon quest on battle 33 to a breeder (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ I don't think I can go another round of Super Doubles, but I don't want to transfer my Delcatty without that ribbon...
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Finally picked up a copy, of moon, after all this time, excited to get started later tonight. Which version is it that had the vulpix?
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Sun. You want a Vulpix? I can give you one.
What starter you gonna pick?
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Yay thanks^^. Unless it determines something later on, I might not have any specific preference. Don't even remember what they looked like much besides bird.
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Completed my Dex and got my Shiny Charm. (Well, about a week or so ago.)
Now what? I think I've done nearly everything save for breeding and taking on the Battle Tree.
I've got the Oval Charm, have Zyguard 100% Form, got all the Island Scan Pok?mon, have all the Z-Crystals, Poke Pelego is maxed out, Festival Plaza... bores me.
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Okay so this is apparently several days old at this point since I wasn't paying attention lol, but we have ourselves the newest additions to the Pokemon series: Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBYQCtM2JWs). The reveal trailer for the games was pretty short, but there's still quite a bit of speculation to be had here. Some of the details bring to mind how Black 2 and White 2 were true sequels to the first pair of games in Gen 5, such as the names Sun and Moon being reused for the titles and
Solgaleo and Lunala having "fused" forms with Necrozma, the speculated third legendary in the trio, which is a definite parallel to Black/White Kyurem
. The environments of Alola that are shown also look to be greatly enhanced, there will be some additional Pokemon that weren't available in Sun and Moon, new battle animations suggest a new/updated mechanic, and some locations go as far as to suggest new Trials. Whether these are true sequels, updated versions in a similar vein to the Gen 1-3 remakes, or some combination of the two remains to be seen, but either way, we won't have to wait long - scheduled release date is November 17, 2017, almost a year to the day after the release of Sun and Moon.
Ultra-Lunala still looks a hell of a lot better than Ultra-Solgaleo lol.
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I certainly hope it's a sequel and not an enhanced version, since I thought we were over those, but it does kind of seem like it might be a Crystal/Emerald/Platinum sort of thing. Well I'll certainly play it regardless, but I'd much prefer Black/White 2 over Platinum. I'm sure almost everyone would.
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Agreed. Especially when at some point, Matsuda said there was no Gen6 remake, all to avoid being too repetitive. True gen sequels are still pretty new, so I'm hoping that's the case.