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Title: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Helepolis on August 17, 2011, 09:49:03 AM
Previous discussion thread here: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10504.0.html

Achtung! Warning! Dikkat! Atentione! Shameipairu-san and Himepaidou-san report spoilers in this thread. Users in this thread, and ONLY in this thread are no longer forced to use [/spoiler] tags when talking about the girls, story and other 10D related things. Proceed at own risk.

Reporter's note: Please forgive this reporter for possibly re-reporting info which was also in the trial article.

東方 神霊廟 ~ Touhou Ten Desires (10D)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/28p7hj.jpg)


The story
A huge outbreak of divine spirits causes confusion all around Gensokyo. At the Hakurei shrine, Netherworld and Moriya shrine this is noted as an unprecedented affair. Four of our heroines grab their spell cards and gear, and head out to investigate. Soon they realise that a certain Taoist girl is on the verge of resurrection. The dark story of her resurrection hints at a possible religious conflict between Buddhism and Taoism.

Gameplay and comparison
Controls are straight forward and easy to explain:
Arrow keys - movementZ - fire
X - bombShift - focus and alternative shot type
C - enter trance mode

Each girl has an alternative shottype when you focus. Unlike in previous versions of Touhou, where your shottype was actually determined by a different girl type. ZUN seems to return to the core of strategy and eliminated the A,B,C-ish choices. Which is in my opinion perfectly fine. Below I will briefly explain the focus mode for each girl.

Girl _____________________ Regular  __________________________________________  Focus fire  _____________________
Hakurei ReimuStraight amulet and homing amuletsStraight amulet and straight needles
Kirisame MarisaMulti lasersStraight magic shots and exploding magical missiles
Kochiya SanaeWide spread shot and straight amuletsFast curving forward shots and straight amulet
Konpaku YoumuStraight forward shot and half-ghost fireCharged up slash.

For all girls, the number of familiars supporting them increase as your power rises. 1.00 means you only got 1 familiar/ghost and 4.00 logically grants your four familiars/ghosts. Youmu's charged shot is probably the most strangest shottype in this game. Think of this as the charged camera shot in StB and DS. You hold focus and Z to charge up your ghost half. Upon releasing the Z button, you will perform a powerful piercing slash. It knocks out the large fairies.
Obviously, fighting bosses as Youmu is going to be extremely tricky. But this is probably a great challenge for those lunatic players going for challenges and such. ZUN always has something fun for you people!

Trance meter and spirits
ZUN once more changed the strategy for collecting lives and bombs. Well, not entirely. In UFO you had to collect small ufos and destroy the giant ufo after feeding it with power or points. Here, divine spirits are your collectibles. These spirits come in the following colours:


Spirits appear if you exterminate fairies or bosses. The system for lives/bombs is strange, but easy to explain. For the first extra live or bomb, you need 8 spirits. After this, you need +2 (so 10 spirits) and for the next again +2 etc. Compared to previous Touhou games, you will have quite some trouble collecting them as they do not move around like in UFO, nor fall down like pieces of items. Also getting initial full lives and bombs is hard. Unless you 'abuse' your Trance Mode. The 'Trance' Meter is a small skull image located at the left bottom corner of your game. This meter will fill up if you collect grey spirits. There are two ways this meter can be used: 1) By death when you have at least 1 spirit. or 2) When full, hitting the C-button. Trance mode doubles the spirits appearing and also changes their appearance for flavour.
(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/spiritstrance.png)
rather cute looking spirits?

Trance Mode is easy to notice as your screen turns flashy. Your girl's sprite becomes vague and hazy as well as the music changing it's style. The first thing you will notice is a giant timer on your screen, showing the remaining time in trance mode. If you entered this state by death, then you will go pichuun at the end of the timer and lose a life. If you entered it through the C-button, nothing will happen but be aware of your invincibility being gone.

Facts about trance mode:
> Invincible
> Maximum fire power
> Greater movement speed. (Particulary Marisa is extremely fast in this mode.)
> Does not clear bullets on your screen.
> Double the appearance of spirits when killing enemies.
> For some girls, pulls the spirits to her. (Hakurei Reimu)
> Timer cannot be extended, even if you collect grey spirits while being in this mode.

The word 'Trance' probably is placed here because your girl crosses the boundary between life and death in a state of 'trance'. Whether you are dying or manually entering, it remains the same.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/140ztw2.png)
trance meter, maximum of three spirits

Spell practise
ZUN grants everybody a spell card practise mode! While had big doubts in Touhou 8 when he designed this, it seems that he decided to do it again in 10D. Spell card practise allows you to practise all spell cards separately with the girls. However, in order to practise you need to have 'seen' the card at least once in game. As a bonus, ZUN grants also the so called 'Overdrive' spell cards. These are not to be confused with Last Word or Final Spells in Imperishable Night. Overdrive spell cards are 'insane' versions of one spell card of the enemy girls. They generally contain more and faster bullets.

I some how got disappointed when I discovered this. Last Words had their charm of being unique spell cards. Final Spells had this kind of style as well. Personally I feel that the Overdrive cards are uninspired, but it does add a challenge for those hardcore players again. Oh well.

The enemy girls
To avoid too much boring details and stuff. I will briefly go through the girls and their description. You can read the extensive descriptions on the wiki (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Characters).

(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/girls.png)
Enemy girls from Touhou 13. Below from left to right (excluding the nameless spirit) names and description is given. Click on the yin yang balls for larger portraits.

Girl names Description
Nameless spirit. This little guy or girl appears in the middle of stage one.
(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/ball.png) (http://www.taihou.nl/th13/yuyuko.png)Saigoyji Yuyuko She asks if you would like some tea, but when the girls refuse she becomes pissed off. Well, not exactly but she is the first boss yo!
(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/ball.png)  (http://www.taihou.nl/th13/kyoko.png)Kasodani Kyoko A Yamabiko youkai. This cheerful girl is sweeping the area of Myoren temple. She is a dangerous opponent which keeps reflecting bullets at you.
(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/ball.png)  (http://www.taihou.nl/th13/kogasa.png)Tatara Kogasa She got into a fight with a particular girl and complains how she couldn't beat her. Well our heroines don't really care so they will defeat them both.
(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/ball.png)  (http://www.taihou.nl/th13/yoshika.png)Miyako Yoshika A zombie youkai, guarding the cemetery because her Mistress ordered so. She isn't flexible, as expected from a zombie. But her body and skin seem to be in a good condition. Be ready to time out a lot of her spell cards as a newbie, because can heal herself!
(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/ball.png)  (http://www.taihou.nl/th13/seiga.png)Kaku Seiga + Miyako Yoshika Seiga, a Hermit, is the mistress of Miyako and guards the entrance to the masoleum. I found her on first glance pretty beautiful. Damn it ZUN, why you draw so smooth looking girls. Either way! They will double team you for this battle.
(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/ball.png)  (http://www.taihou.nl/th13/tojiko.png)Soga no Tojiko A ghost which appears without saying hi. Well, she welcomes you with dangerous danmaku.
(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/ball.png)  (http://www.taihou.nl/th13/futon.png)Mononobe no Futo  A Taoist, who attempts you from getting to the person which is going to resurrect deep inside the mausoleum. While she is add it, she will show you some surfing tricks.
(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/ball.png)  (http://www.taihou.nl/th13/miko.png)Toyosatomimi no Miko She is serious business. Another Taoist and the 'criminal' master mind behind the 'incident'. Miko has great hate for the Buddhism for particular reasons. When the music kicks in, the atmosphere will change into a serious unprecedented rhythm. You will have a difficult time trying to defeat this boss as she comes at you with all her might!
(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/ball.png)  (http://www.taihou.nl/th13/nue.png)Houjuu Nue Nue makes a brief appearance in Extra, as she tries to explain the reason for Myoren's move. However our girls do not care, and want to get to the bottom of this. 'Bitch! Get out of the way!'
(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/ball.png)  (http://www.taihou.nl/th13/mamizou.png)Futatsuiwa Mamizou A Tanuki. With glasses. ZUN surely keeps feeding you fanboys and girls every type of fanon material yo. She got called in by Myoren and travelled across the sea. A danmaku battle of shape-shifting and surprising elements. (Cats and fishes?). Also Mamizou! Do something about that skirt! Your drawers are showing!!!

Looks and feel
What is a game without proper sound effects, flashy things? Exactly, nothing. Argue all you want but nobody wants a boring soundless game. Of course, the sound effects have to 'fit' into the game. I just cannot stop listening to the sound effects of Yin Yang balls exploding in enemy girl's faces or Marisa fully blasting her annihilation of love. I haven't noticed a significant change compared to UFO engine wise. For the more 'technical' people among us, who also danmakufu script. It seems ZUN has found a more interesting way to handle the sprites for the dialogues.

(http://i53.tinypic.com/10gkwif.jpg) (http://i56.tinypic.com/29cm2ig.jpg) (http://i53.tinypic.com/2khm69.jpg) (http://i51.tinypic.com/2s63fx0.jpg) (http://i55.tinypic.com/igf0bn.jpg) (http://i55.tinypic.com/fxwl7b.jpg) (http://i56.tinypic.com/33yl4ox.jpg) (http://i52.tinypic.com/ws6yxu.jpg)
Angled master spark, yin yang balls of faith, 5-point star of faith, supreme slashing Myon.... oh my, I think I am going to faint.

TL DR, this game plays good. Feels good man.

Music
For a change, I am going to express my thoughts about the music in this game. As usual, music is totally subjective. But I am just going to try to approach this more like gameplay wise, and not whether the music it self is great compared to other themes or not. First of all, the music fits every part of this game. Well to me at least. I think a good stage opener song is very important to keep people interested. Like in UFO, stage 1 kicks off with great force and energetic music. 10D might not have the similar style, but the opening stage is good. Good enough to keep you interested.

When you reach stage 2 and 3, the music doesn't bore you. It keeps you curious. Making you wonder what is ahead. And then... there! A pathway to a masoleum. Your heartbeat accelerates. The music only makes this worse. ZUN states in his music comment that stage 4 should give you the sense of rushing/running. It was exact the same feeling I got. Then this boss appears, TWO of them. The music, it only makes things more exciting. And tense, because the final boss music surely gives you that feeling again. It is serious, it is dramatic, the piano just rushes through while you try to evade those damned glowing bullets. Music can add feeling to a scenario (cliche movie thriller bgms) but music can also break feelings. If it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit. But ZUN keeps fitting it all the time.

Also, he doe--- ?!



(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/imma.png)Kanye West: "YO Helepolis, I'm really happy for you! Imma let you finish but, Septette is best Touhou song of all time. OF ALL TIME!"

Uhm...  Kanye, why are you here?

(http://www.taihou.nl/th13/immadead.png)Hakurei Reimu: "Get your ass out of Gensokyo before I destroy you."

Conclusion
Ahem, yes thank you Reimu. I have no idea where he came from. So, to conclude 10D. If you are a fan of Touhou, there is no excuse for letting this slip. And fur---

> Hmmm? Yes yes, I know you want tea and sweets Reimu, but I am busy trying to finish up my article.
> What do you mean it is taking long? I am trying to create a piece of art here. Are you always this impatient?
> Wait, what are you doing Reimu.
> Please put down that Gohei.
> Why are you declaring a spell card? WHAT THE--- FANTASY SEAL?!

Ah! eh!, dear Motk users. I must now run for my life. Please forgive me for --- WOAH ** grazes ** for not being able to write a conclusion but ARGH ** graze +2 ** but I need to go prepare some tea for Reimu and her friends.

Be sure to purchase this beautiful game from ZU-PICHUUN

--Helepolis
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: BeyPok?Dig on August 17, 2011, 10:05:18 AM
You should put info about the alternate endings somewhere... unless it's already there and I miseed it.

Also, what is the difference between them? Different characters appearing or just different dialogue?
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Helepolis on August 17, 2011, 10:10:34 AM
You should put info about the alternate endings somewhere... unless it's already there and I miseed it.

Also, what is the difference between them? Different characters appearing or just different dialogue?
I don't see any need for this.

I don't spoil endings as they are considered something unique and valuable for most people. Even though I spoiled the girls, it doesn't mean I just take away people's hopes for playing for the endings. That would be plain sad. Therefore there is no use for mentioning the ending mechanisms as people should find that out themselves.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: warpshadow on August 17, 2011, 10:18:09 AM
I have the feeling that ZUN had just finished watching an episode of Steins Gate when he decided to nickname one of the characters Seiga Nyan Nyan.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Aba Matindesu! on August 17, 2011, 11:08:20 AM
This report was beautiful.

I don't spoil endings as they are considered something unique and valuable for most people. Even though I spoiled the girls, it doesn't mean I just take away people's hopes for playing for the endings. That would be plain sad. Therefore there is no use for mentioning the ending mechanisms as people should find that out themselves.
Unless I read it wrong, I think he meant that "you should tell them that there ARE alternate endings unlocked by specific conditions" or something like that.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Formless God on August 17, 2011, 11:30:10 AM
Repostan

What is the tower-like thing in Stage 5's background ? Is it a reference to some actual building ?
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: The Wanderer on August 17, 2011, 11:46:18 AM
Repostan

What is the tower-like thing in Stage 5's background ? Is it a reference to some actual building ?
the building is the Dream Palace Great Mausoleum
Inside of it is the stage 6 setting
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on August 17, 2011, 12:01:01 PM
Spirits appear if you exterminate fairies or bosses. 5 live or bomb pieces equals one full live/bomb.
8 green pieces for a bomb.
8 purple pieces for a life, and it goes up with each life you collect.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: The Wanderer on August 17, 2011, 12:02:33 PM
8 green pieces for a bomb.
8 purple pieces for a life, and it goes up with each life you collect.
It's goes up like this 8. 10, 12, 15 and I don't even know how many life points after that is but I think it's 18
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Iryan on August 17, 2011, 12:05:46 PM
It's goes up like this 8. 10, 12, 15 and I don't even know how many life points after that is but I think it's 18
Confirming this, although I haven't gotten the 18 piece extend either.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Koakkuri on August 17, 2011, 12:06:46 PM
18 is indeed the next one.  I wonder how many lives it's possible to obtain at most?
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: 7TC7 on August 17, 2011, 12:10:54 PM
Patch up on ZUNs blog. Get it~

http://kourindou.exblog.jp/ (http://kourindou.exblog.jp/)
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2011, 12:28:58 PM
Patch up on ZUNs blog. Get it~

http://kourindou.exblog.jp/ (http://kourindou.exblog.jp/)

Just as keikaku.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: 7TC7 on August 17, 2011, 12:32:19 PM
Just as keikaku.

*Keikaku means planned

Anyways, old replays seem to be death but that was to be expected. At least, I can finally play Reimu in Extra!
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 17, 2011, 01:10:14 PM
Patch up on ZUNs blog. Get it~

http://kourindou.exblog.jp/ (http://kourindou.exblog.jp/)

Hopefully I clicked on the right links, because I don't read moonspeak.  I just went by instinct. :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 17, 2011, 01:16:04 PM
Patch up on ZUNs blog. Get it~

http://kourindou.exblog.jp/ (http://kourindou.exblog.jp/)
That was quicker than UFO's 1.00b. I think.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: The Wanderer on August 17, 2011, 01:26:06 PM
*Keikaku means planned

Anyways, old replays seem to be death but that was to be expected. At least, I can finally play Reimu in Extra!
wait... what problem did you have with reimu for extra?
I didn't have that problem
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2011, 01:42:59 PM
Hopefully I clicked on the right links, because I don't read moonspeak.  I just went by instinct. :V

It's the first link on this page (http://www16.big.or.jp/~zun/html/th13dl.html).

wait... what problem did you have with reimu for extra?
I didn't have that problem

Loads of people were experiencing crashing during Extra.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Romantique Tp on August 17, 2011, 01:45:49 PM
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires ~
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: 7TC7 on August 17, 2011, 01:51:37 PM
wait... what problem did you have with reimu for extra?
I didn't have that problem

When you 1cced the game with Reimu on Normal Extra wouldn't unlock for her. Hard would have, but not Normal. Many seemed to have had that problem.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: The Wanderer on August 17, 2011, 01:52:29 PM
When you 1cced the game with Reimu on Normal Extra wouldn't unlock for her. Hard would have, but not Normal. Many seemed to have had that problem.
what... I 1cc'd normal with Reimu and Extra was unlocked
Oh wait I 1cc'd with Youmu first and then Reimu
might that have fixed it?
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: 7TC7 on August 17, 2011, 01:55:07 PM
what... I 1cc'd normal with Reimu and Extra was unlocked

Yeah, it didn't happen for everybody, just some people.  Maybe there was some special thing that went wrong. But it's fixed now, so no need to further dwell on it.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2011, 01:59:33 PM
Also, Helepolis: thanks for reminding me why I enjoy your game articles so much.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: The Wanderer on August 17, 2011, 02:04:49 PM
The patch fixed Soga's and Seiga's Midboss lunatic mode spellcards
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: wailofthebanshee on August 17, 2011, 02:16:37 PM
I never realized the trance mode spirits were that cute.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: ?q on August 17, 2011, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: donut, from previous thread
On another note, I love how Mamizou doesn't even show how she has bomb immunity. Until now every extra boss after Evil Eye Sigma showed something that showed why bombs were ineffective, from shields to transformations to fazing out of existence. Here, it's just "no sale!"
I'm pretty sure Mokou didn't do anything.

Also, Miko's final spell card is both bomb-immune and trance-immune.  Mamizou is bomb-immune (with a nice *ching*ing sound) but not trance-immune.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Moshalas on August 17, 2011, 02:32:02 PM
There's a version 1.00c already? I was wondering why he took down 1.00b before I got the chance to get it.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: yukiluck on August 17, 2011, 02:35:24 PM
There's a version 1.00c already? I was wondering why he took down 1.00c before I got the chance.

The last patch fix some minor display errors, the other fixed some bugs in spell practice and extra.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Barrakketh on August 17, 2011, 02:54:24 PM
I wonder if he fixed Youmu's replays desyncing.  Probably not.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Helepolis on August 17, 2011, 02:55:00 PM
Also, Helepolis: thanks for reminding me why I enjoy your game articles so much.
It is always my pleasure to do so.

I never realized the trance mode spirits were that cute.
The little details that ZUN adds

I will proper edit the comments people sent me on IRC after dinner.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: The Wanderer on August 17, 2011, 02:55:59 PM
only one problem with the spellcards is that Miko is still closer to the top rather than the center
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 17, 2011, 03:32:59 PM
First it's the UFOs that Nue says have little :3c faces if you want them to. Now divine spirits actually have faces! <3
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Khaotic Ace on August 17, 2011, 03:44:12 PM
Divine spirits = those fairy/pixies helpers you find in Super Paper Mario. Hey, the design just happened to be similar. <o<; /because I'm sure someone already said this, but whatever. :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on August 17, 2011, 03:52:15 PM
Fairies x Divine spirits for ultra-cute OTP!  :3

I really love this game. I went into it with massive excitement for what would come after the three stages that we already knew from the demo, and then Stage 4 came along with its awesome soundtrack and it carries through all the way to the end. This is definitely high up on my list of favourite Touhou games, maybe even a new number one.

From a writer's perspective I also love the new charas, lots of interesting stuff to work with, can't wait to play through all the endings once the translation patch comes out and see what more juicy info is given there~
It's interesting to see how thing's are getting more and more complex over the last few games.

Lastly I'm very happy with the difficulty, from the perspective of an Easy Mode player. This one is definitely going to be my prime candidate for the step up to Normal.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 17, 2011, 03:55:53 PM
As long as they don't go "Hey, listen!" all over me, I'm fine.  :V


And yes, those faces are adorable.  :3
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Black Mage on August 17, 2011, 04:05:16 PM
Such a nice article. It's informative and the humor is in the right places.

Also, thanks to those who informed about the patch. Shouldn't it be in the article, or being in the first page is enough?

Someone knows if there's already a VPatch in the making? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Formless God on August 17, 2011, 05:19:39 PM
I like how Nue pauses slightly before declaring her spell card in Practice. It was kind of
cute

the building is the Dream Palace Great Mausoleum
Inside of it is the stage 6 setting
I see. Thanks.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: BeyPok?Dig on August 17, 2011, 05:20:34 PM
Unless I read it wrong, I think he meant that "you should tell them that there ARE alternate endings unlocked by specific conditions" or something like that.
Yes, that's what i meant. Not everyone reads and/or remembers the numbers of the endings.

The question about differences between them was separate, and I don't want anyone to post the endings here. But do post them on the Touhou endings wiki! ZUN once again didn't make an "Ending room" (like music room, but you could view your unlocked endings here) which means that i will forget what the first ending i got was before i unlock half of them.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Helepolis on August 17, 2011, 05:47:22 PM
Ah then my engrish has made me misread it. I'll see how I can fit that part in into the gameplay section perhaps.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Excelsus on August 17, 2011, 05:48:56 PM
Everyone wish that starting from ten desires, it will become a trilogy? I hope so since ZUN's final/extra boss isn't a youkai that manipulate desires, which kinda strange considering that the game title is Ten DESIRES, after this ten desires i hope zun continues the story, where the final/the extra boss is the what i said before, a desire youkai.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on August 17, 2011, 06:03:06 PM
The "Ten Desires" part is covered in Miko's description (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Toyosatomimi_no_Miko) already.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Merielle on August 17, 2011, 06:07:32 PM
Everyone wish that starting from ten desires, it will become a trilogy? I hope so since ZUN's final/extra boss isn't a youkai that manipulate desires, which kinda strange considering that the game title is Ten DESIRES, after this ten desires i hope zun continues the story, where the final/the extra boss is the what i said before, a desire youkai.

Miko already fits that qualification, since her true power is to "hear" people's desires.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: AJS on August 17, 2011, 06:25:03 PM
Great review, Helepolis!  Very thorough and informative.  I'm starting to get tired of explaining to my friends how this game works, so I'm just going to refer them to your post from now on. :V  (And the Kanye interruption made me laugh xD).

And a patch!  Yay!  Now you're goin' down, Mamizou!
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2011, 06:39:34 PM
Someone mentioned in the previous thread that they forgot they even had bombs. I have to concur; this has also been the case with me.

I get so caught up in filling my Trance Meter and being like "Ah, look at that - nice and full Trance Meter. Now, to wait for just the right moment to use it", that I completely forget that by Stage 4 I have like, nearly 5 bombs.

I don't think the Spirits are very hard to get to, personally. The annoying thing about UFO is having to chase the little buggers in a zig-zag across the screen, through a mine field of danmaku. In 10D, they're just sitting there - getting gradually smaller, sure, but you know where you need to go to get them, and can plot a path through a pattern to get them.

And, echoing what others have said, lives are pretty hard to get, but this game feeds you bombs and Trance spirits. You just have to strike a balance between these two (I personally like Trance for certain zombie bishes who like to heal themselves while raining down thick walls of danmaku ...) and not be shy about picking up spirits.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: ふねん1 on August 17, 2011, 06:51:09 PM
I don't think the Spirits are very hard to get to, personally. The annoying thing about UFO is having to chase the little buggers in a zig-zag across the screen, through a mine field of danmaku. In 10D, they're just sitting there - getting gradually smaller, sure, but you know where you need to go to get them, and can plot a path through a pattern to get them.
Don't forget that the spirits have a much, much bigger "pickup range" than the UFOs did. The game itself is relatively lenient as it gives you more opportunities to safely collect the spirits, be it in between waves or being able to kill enemies before they can release any danmaku.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Excelsus on August 17, 2011, 06:54:28 PM
Miko already fits that qualification, since her true power is to "hear" people's desires.

I can't accept it, what i mean by desire power is that the demon can manipulate the desires of the youkai and humans, to grow it bigger, make them more powerful, turn them into simple being like those fairies which we always face only to fulfill their desires, or maybe turn the desire into nothingness, as if the human has no more goal or dream in their heart.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: The Wanderer on August 17, 2011, 07:16:22 PM
Mamizou vulnerable to bombs?  :wat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRe9L-tqABs
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: theshirn on August 17, 2011, 07:17:11 PM
I have to wonder if anyone has already made Super Mamizou Bros.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Helepolis on August 17, 2011, 07:27:57 PM
I have to wonder if anyone has already made Super Mamizou Bros.
Reitaisai SP or Winter Ket will probably have new Marisa world ? :V

I can't accept it, what i mean by desire power is that the demon can manipulate the desires of the youkai and humans, to grow it bigger, make them more powerful, turn them into simple being like those fairies which we always face only to fulfill their desires, or maybe turn the desire into nothingness, as if the human has no more goal or dream in their heart.
Why exactly would you want that?
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Tengukami on August 17, 2011, 07:29:47 PM
Don't forget that the spirits have a much, much bigger "pickup range" than the UFOs did.

Yes, totally. Of course, any pickup range would be bigger than UFO's, considering you need to physically bump the UFOs in order to get them. Ugh.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: AJS on August 17, 2011, 08:07:38 PM
Yes, totally. Of course, any pickup range would be bigger than UFO's, considering you need to physically bump the UFOs in order to get them. Ugh.
Also, it might just be me, but I think the spirit pick-up range is increased from what it was in the demo.  I've felt that it's been easier to collect spirits in the full game than it was in the demo.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Khaotic Ace on August 17, 2011, 08:15:56 PM
Who called it? (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=669597) :V (Safebooru link)
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 17, 2011, 08:20:12 PM
Who called it? (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=669597) :V (Safebooru link)

 :trollface:
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: AJS on August 17, 2011, 08:31:35 PM
Who called it? (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=669597) :V (Safebooru link)
Their faces......priceless. :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Paper Conan on August 17, 2011, 08:44:40 PM
Who called it? (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=669597) :V (Safebooru link)
I gave that bitch an immortality potion. Bitches love immortality potions.
Am I the only one who loves Eirin's "just as planned" face?  :3
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Black Mage on August 17, 2011, 08:53:29 PM
Who called it? (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=669597) :V (Safebooru link)
So much for manipulating a country and killing thousands...

Loving the fanworks so far.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Mimachiro on August 17, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
Who called it? (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=669597) :V (Safebooru link)
All that work for immortality, eh? Been there, done that. Pulled it off. How about you?
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Zengeku on August 17, 2011, 10:49:23 PM
I guess Eirin just got bottles of Hourai Elixir sitting around in her mansion. If that's the case, anyone up for a heist?
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Chronojet ⚙ Dragon on August 17, 2011, 11:51:37 PM
It's goes up like this 8. 10, 12, 15 and I don't even know how many life points after that is but I think it's 18

Confirming this, although I haven't gotten the 18 piece extend either.

You can get lives like this:
8, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20...

Yes, I got the 18-piece extend in a Hard mode run.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 17, 2011, 11:58:45 PM
Don't enemies drop more spirits on Hard+ anyways? I figured that equated to more Trance opportunities. Thus more lives and bombs on Hard than Normal.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Aba Matindesu! on August 18, 2011, 01:34:09 AM
I'm pretty sure Mokou didn't do anything.
Screen turns blue, she fades out slightly.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Chronojet ⚙ Dragon on August 18, 2011, 03:06:57 AM
Don't enemies drop more spirits on Hard+ anyways? I figured that equated to more Trance opportunities. Thus more lives and bombs on Hard than Normal.
Yeah, that is why it's so possible to get so many lives (one... more... seriously what)
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Byaaakuren on August 18, 2011, 03:25:30 AM
Is it just me or do replays desync after patching it to 1.00c?
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Barrakketh on August 18, 2011, 03:57:39 AM
Is it just me or do replays desync after patching it to 1.00c?
Old ones definitely do.  Have you tried a replay made with 1.00c?
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Byaaakuren on August 18, 2011, 04:09:34 AM
Old ones definitely do.  Have you tried a replay made with 1.00c?

yeah, stage replays crashed my game =(
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Post by: Barrakketh on August 18, 2011, 05:02:06 AM
yeah, stage replays crashed my game =(
I managed to watch one of Heartbeam's score runs (2.45 billion) and am in the middle of watching a Youmu Lunatic clear from Royalflare, both made with 1.00c.

Haven't had a crash or desync yet.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Savory on August 18, 2011, 05:10:10 AM
Cute trance spirits are cute. Interesting the things you notice if you take a good look at them.

Blue spirit:  :wat:
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Sungho on August 18, 2011, 05:28:45 AM
You CAN get 5 extends on lower difficulties.
Just done it with Marisa Easy.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Helepolis on August 18, 2011, 05:46:32 AM
Confirming that patching to 1.00c does desync your old replays. It is sad but that is the way the cookie crumbles. If you want your old replays, then you need to install 1.00 from the CD.

Good thing I 1CC normal after the patch.

Also Kaku Seiga is really beautiful. I've seen some fan art of her expressing this :3
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on August 18, 2011, 05:54:40 AM
My old replay works fine at least when I only let it run for a single stage. No idea if it would desynch during a full run-through?
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Byaaakuren on August 18, 2011, 06:31:20 AM
Ugh, I just played Stage 2 on TD with Sanae and watched that replay. The game crashed right after I defeated Kyouko.

...Also happened with Marisa ;_;
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Serena on August 18, 2011, 08:40:40 AM
yeah, stage replays crashed my game =(

My stage replays crashed on 1.00a after defeating the bosses too, they still do now.
No desync, as far as I can tell, but does starting the replay from Stage 1 and not skipping dialogue still help? It seems to fix the desync in other games, even if it is a bit time-consuming.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Helix ⑨ on August 18, 2011, 01:08:36 PM
What does the 100c patch change? I can only find a link to the patch on thwiki, not what it actually does.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: wailofthebanshee on August 18, 2011, 01:52:16 PM
What does the 100c patch change? I can only find a link to the patch on thwiki, not what it actually does.
I think it fixes the bug where the game would crash after the extra boss's survival card.
I think.

Also, my hard 1cc replay seems to be fine. It was done before patch C if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Janitor Morgan on August 18, 2011, 03:00:08 PM
So I found an interesting comment on a picture of Tojiko on Danbooru that may link her to another character as well...

Quote
The Fujiwara clan, which destroys the Souga clan, suffered a death of a man who was struck by a thunderbolt, which the Fujiwara clan considered to be caused by a curse in retaliation from the Souga clan. But we know someone from that clan, don't we? That dead man had a son named Fujiwara no Fuhito, who is usually considered as Mokou's father. In short, Mokou is the descendant of people who destroyed Tojiko's family, and Tojiko is related to the people who murdered Mokou's family. I'm really interested in how the doujin fandom might use this.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 18, 2011, 03:02:28 PM
So I found an interesting comment on a picture of Tojiko on Danbooru that may link her to another character as well...

 :o
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: TMiles on August 18, 2011, 03:21:09 PM
God I love Miko, she's my waifu now :3

And that comment of Tojiko really got my attention, I wonder if
Mokou
knows about that...

Also about the game, I love all the themes with the exception of Futo's and Kyoko's, they just feel a bit too meh. The stages have wonderful musics imo.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Koakkuri on August 18, 2011, 03:21:47 PM
So I found an interesting comment on a picture of Tojiko on Danbooru that may link her to another character as well...

Heck yeah, so much potential for awesomeness.

To add to this:
Apparently, the Mononobe clan and Fujiwara clan were allies back then.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: BeyPok?Dig on August 18, 2011, 03:39:17 PM
Hmm..
Mokou
confirmed for story mode of next fighting game?
Who is likely to be in the next fighting game anyway? Wriggle, Nitori, Kaguya, Mokou? (were supposed to be in 12.3 if I have heard correctly) TSMnoMiko, Tojiko, Futo, Byakuren, Mamizou? Nue, Kanako? Any others who have good reason to be in the next game? The god of Hakurei Shrine? Rin S., Sasha?
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Khaotic Ace on August 18, 2011, 04:03:27 PM
Also about the game, I love all the themes with the exception of Futo's and Kyoko's, they just feel a bit too meh. The stages have wonderful musics imo.

As much as I love Futo, her theme... is pretty meh. Kyouko's theme sounds a tiny bit better when the normal version combines with trance, but that's only because it sounds like an echo and I was all "OHH HEY 8D"

Oh, and Stage 4 and 5 themes with normal and trance versions combined? Sweet heavens, it sounds delicious in my ears.  :derp:
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Paper Conan on August 18, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
Hmm..
Mokou
confirmed for story mode of next fighting game?
Who is likely to be in the next fighting game anyway? Wriggle, Nitori, Kaguya, Mokou? (were supposed to be in 12.3 if I have heard correctly) TSMnoMiko, Tojiko, Futo, Byakuren, Mamizou? Nue, Kanako? Any others who have good reason to be in the next game? The god of Hakurei Shrine? Rin S., Sasha?
Chen, Ran, and Kanako are all likely since they already had some sprites in 12.3. Obviously, Wriggle, Nitori, Mokou, and Kaguya are also just as likely.

I'm pretty sure Miko and Kogasa or Nue are going to be in the next fighting game.
I can feel it in my bones. :V
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: BeyPok?Dig on August 18, 2011, 04:29:21 PM
Chen, Ran, and Kanako are all likely since they already had some sprites in 12.3. Obviously, Wriggle, Nitori, Mokou, and Kaguya are also just as likely.

I'm pretty sure Miko and Kogasa or Nue are going to be in the next fighting game.
I can feel it in my bones. :V
Chen, Ran and Kanako too? Awesome!

I'm pretty sure
Mima and Alice's Cat
are going to be in the next fighting game.
I can feel it in my bones. :V[/s]


By the way, were there any fakes this time? I like Sasha Sashiromiya, Karen Yawata and Sugar Satellite and I hoped there will be a new one for th13.
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 18, 2011, 05:27:22 PM
Miko is bordering on the top of my Favorite Touhous list now.

Shit, must resist urge to finish game again.

Must resist urge to fight Miko...

Consequences might be she actually surpasses Youmu...

...Can't. Resist. Urge. 

/me goes to 1cc with youmu again  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: The Wanderer on August 18, 2011, 06:19:19 PM
So I found an interesting comment on a picture of Tojiko on Danbooru that may link her to another character as well...
Quote
The Fujiwara clan, which destroys the Souga clan, suffered a death of a man who was struck by a thunderbolt, which the Fujiwara clan considered to be caused by a curse in retaliation from the Souga clan. But we know someone from that clan, don't we? That dead man had a son named Fujiwara no Fuhito, who is usually considered as Mokou's father. In short, Mokou is the descendant of people who destroyed Tojiko's family, and Tojiko is related to the people who murdered Mokou's family. I'm really interested in how the doujin fandom might use this.
hmmm... I can't seem to find any information about this on the internet.... would anyone help me find an article showing this?
but I can find articles that the connection between Fujiwara clan and Mononobe clan has
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Koakkuri on August 18, 2011, 07:05:28 PM
hmmm... I can't seem to find any information about this on the internet.... would anyone help me find an article showing this?
but I can find articles that the connection between Fujiwara clan and Mononobe clan has

Here's something at least: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujiwara_no_Kamatari

Edit: adding these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isshi_Incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taika_Reform

Edit no.2: This is most likely relevant to your interests (especially the bit starting around page 160 and the chapter 'the century of reform')

http://books.google.fi/books?id=OudvOfBHsvwC&pg
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: The Wanderer on August 18, 2011, 08:06:12 PM
Hmm... I'm really starting to think ZUN's a freaking genius
Whether or not he planned the Fujiwara/Soga/Mononobe clan connections
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Post by: TMiles on August 18, 2011, 08:19:26 PM
I'm in love with Miko's battle, it's awesome music, fun spellcards and a awesome character make it the best battle in Touhou for me.

By the way that holy war thing is certainly become the third story of my fic :3

And those things in Miko's head are really Headphones or just something else? I just can't picture a legend like her using Headphones =P
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Post by: Metaflare on August 18, 2011, 08:21:29 PM
I really don't think they're supposed to be headphones. I'm pretty sure they're reprisenative of her abaility to hear the Ten Desires of man.
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Post by: Zengeku on August 18, 2011, 08:41:56 PM
The desires of men aren't particularly hard to figure out. What a useless ability. :V
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Post by: Metaflare on August 18, 2011, 08:56:29 PM
When it allows her to read anyone's mind at any time from anywhere?

...at least thats one inertperitation of it
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Post by: Earthsiege on August 18, 2011, 09:05:43 PM
I'm in love with Miko's battle, it's awesome music, fun spellcards and a awesome character make it the best battle in Touhou for me.

By the way that holy war thing is certainly become the third story of my fic :3

And those things in Miko's head are really Headphones or just something else? I just can't picture a legend like her using Headphones =P

I like thinking of them as headphones - it's so blatantly anachronistic I can't help it.

I'm surprised we haven't seen more music-player/contemporary Miko, now I think about that.  :3
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Post by: The Wanderer on August 18, 2011, 09:29:49 PM
Quote
Of course, Miko was not an ant.
Miko and the rest were opposed to staying under a temple that was a den of youkai,
and so decided they would build a dojo somewhere new and move there.
This was done in a world called Senkai, where in any crack,
there contained limitless amounts of space.
http://vgboy.dabomstew.com/other/TenDesires.txt
Endings are translated on the site
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 18, 2011, 09:33:58 PM
I'm surprised we haven't seen more music-player/contemporary Miko, now I think about that.  :3

(http://i.imgur.com/ZzHty.png) (http://sareii.deviantart.com/art/Toyosa-DJ-Toyo-252577238)
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 18, 2011, 09:41:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZzHty.png) (http://sareii.deviantart.com/art/Toyosa-DJ-Toyo-252577238)

Lovely.  :3


Miko's lolwut hair reminds me a lot of Kokonoe's cat ear pigtails.  :derp:
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Post by: TMiles on August 18, 2011, 09:56:18 PM
So Miko created a Dojo that can be acessed from any crack in the world and isn't planning to do anything about Byakuren and the rest? So much for the Holy War.
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Post by: Derpface on August 18, 2011, 10:42:03 PM
http://vgboy.dabomstew.com/other/TenDesires.txt
Endings are translated on the site

 :getdown: :* Oh yes. Vgperson, always so fast! Now I can play enthusiastically without havbing to wait for English patch <33
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Post by: Metaflare on August 18, 2011, 10:43:25 PM
Why is it that I find Seiga harder than Miko?

Oh yeah. HOMING BULLETS AND CURVY LASERS. asdfgh
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Post by: Mimachiro on August 18, 2011, 11:19:15 PM
Why is it that I find Seiga harder than Miko?

Oh yeah. HOMING BULLETS AND CURVY LASERS. AT THE SAME TIME. asdfgh
fixed that for you
Title: Re: Touhou 13: 東方 神霊廟 ~ Ten Desires. Full desired article. [spoiler warning]
Post by: Barrakketh on August 18, 2011, 11:23:24 PM
Hmm... I'm really starting to think ZUN's a freaking genius
Whether or not he planned the Fujiwara/Soga/Mononobe clan connections
He probably did.  Seriously, go spend some time trolling the Touhou wiki and read through all the trivia.  Character and spellcard names, backstory, the items they may carry and even their freaking clothing (especially in Yukari's case (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo)) has more to it than meets the eye.

For example:

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All of the Yakumo family are named after colors. The light frequencies (energies) of the colors are proportional to their powers: Chen (orange) << Ran (indigo) < Yukari (violet). The energy of violet light is the highest in the visible spectrum, and violet light is the boundary between visible and invisible light. Red light (the symbolic color of Remilia Scarlet or Reimu Hakurei) is another boundary, but they are stronger than Chen. Fittingly, when Reimu and Yukari team up in Imperishable Night, they are called the "Boundary Team". In addition to maintaining the Hakurei Barrier, their colors form the two boundaries between visible and invisible light. In addition, the word "yukari" is uncommonly used to mean "border" or "edge", albeit with a different character.

Occasionally, double rainbows form after rainfall?there's the rainbow one usually sees (red on the top, and violet at the bottom), and another, larger, fainter one above it. The colors on the second rainbow are reversed?red on the bottom, and violet at the top. In other words, the outside edges of the rainbow are violet?or, put another way, violet forms the boundary between the sky and the rainbow. Thus, Yukari's given name strongly signifies the idea of boundaries.
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Post by: Savory on August 19, 2011, 03:08:13 AM
Anyone notice that the girls related to Miko use
some sort of sharp weapon in their danmaku
? Even Miko herself?

Not sure if Mami follows this rule too.
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Post by: KrackoCloud on August 19, 2011, 04:16:57 AM
I'm in love with Miko's battle, it's awesome music, fun spellcards and a awesome character make it the best battle in Touhou for me.
Yeah, if the battle were a song, it would definitely be stuck in my head. The danmaku isn't the best, and the nonspells aren't all too impressive, yet somehow the danmaku, visuals, and song turn the fight into something really magnificent.


Is it ZUN's new thing to make the credits song a remix?
Slightly disappointing.
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Post by: AJS on August 19, 2011, 06:34:42 AM
Is it ZUN's new thing to make the credits song a remix?
Slightly disappointing.
If I recall, it's not entirely a "new thing".  Thinking off the top of my head, I know that the credits songs for UFO and MoF were remixes of the final boss's themes. (Well MoF, it's not entirely a remix, but it uses that same motif from Suwa Foughten Field that's been used for the Game Over screens for the past several games)

EDIT: And now for something completely different.  An idea occurred to me after some inspiration from someone, so I made this (http://i51.tinypic.com/mic6ea.jpg).
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Post by: Byaaakuren on August 19, 2011, 06:58:39 AM
About that crash...it only applies to stage replays. My full run replay didn't crash the game at all
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Post by: Helepolis on August 19, 2011, 07:00:10 AM
Miko's non-cards reminded me again how shitty those little blue spinning dot bullets are against a dark background. It felt uninspired and reminded me of horrible SA patterns. I mean, if you use them once fine. But don't repeat the same pattern with just increased difficulty. If we look at Byakuren for example, we can clearly see each of her non-cards were different. Then again, same thing goes for Futo as well. Non-cards is repeat of previous. Same for Yoshika. I think only Kyoko and Seiga had different "style"

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Post by: nintendonut888 on August 19, 2011, 07:14:57 AM
Miko's non-cards reminded me again how shitty those little blue spinning dot bullets are against a dark background. It felt uninspired and reminded me of horrible SA patterns. I mean, if you use them once fine. But don't repeat the same pattern with just increased difficulty. If we look at Byakuren for example, we can clearly see each of her non-cards were different. Then again, same thing goes for Futo as well. Non-cards is repeat of previous. Same for Yoshika. I think only Kyoko and Seiga had different "style"

I admit the non-spells in the game felt rather lazy, but in ZUN's defense, though the attacks look similar, all of them require different strategies to dodge effectively. Even the really lazy ones like Futo's are more different than they appear at first glance.
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Post by: Helepolis on August 19, 2011, 09:10:34 AM
I don't know Donut. The first two noncards are exactly similar, just more on your screen. And all the bullets move in random directions. Unless you call micro-dodging a strategy, it is not considered a strategy. I know that Lunatic has those ring-formed shapes, which is probably why you mentioned strategy.

For Futo's non-cards, you could indeed perform a strategy, because they don't move random.
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Post by: Xyden on August 19, 2011, 11:20:06 AM
Miko as a boss was so disappointing. Shame too cause she has a awesome design and music. The boss fight just sucked and I think the only card that was cool was her Eternal Meek ripoff and her 2nd to last spell card. Rest was just unispired bullshit. At least the extra boss made up for the underwhelming final boss.

oh and fuck her first spell card my god Zun are you trying to blind me your bright as fuck colors.
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Post by: Jaimers on August 19, 2011, 11:24:14 AM
I don't know Donut. The first two noncards are exactly similar, just more on your screen. And all the bullets move in random directions. Unless you call micro-dodging a strategy, it is not considered a strategy. I know that Lunatic has those ring-formed shapes, which is probably why you mentioned strategy.

I don't know, if you look at the Ultra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je-mu6z532E#t=24m50s) versions you can definitely see that there are some patterns going on in them.
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Post by: Helepolis on August 19, 2011, 11:59:34 AM
Seems like a huge difference between Lunaric and Normal then.
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Post by: Sungho on August 19, 2011, 12:14:09 PM
The arrows in the nonspells always splits in parallel directions, even in Easy.
It only looks random because there aren't many bullets.
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Post by: Formless God on August 19, 2011, 12:29:07 PM
Miko's first two non-spells are indeed pretty dumb, just bullets exploding to rings. Symmetric rings. Third one is not bad, you need to move around the solid rings, and the fourth one is fun.
This is the first time he shoved this into a S6 boss, but haven't most non-spells been this way since forever (especially in Extras) ? Modifying a 'base' pattern to make different attacks.

As for her spell cards (and most of the game's), I think they're very fun (although less pretty, but both at the same time is overkill). I like how there's a lot of moving around and you don't have to constantly plant yourself at the bottom anymore. The ... pacing is also wonderfully done. Miko's fight in particular, it starts off with relatively slow attacks, then comes along the faster knives, which is a warm-up for DISCO; DISCO forces you to move quickly around the screen, readying your body for Guse Kannon; after that the speed drops in 17 Articles, but thanks to the previous attack, your reflexes should be sharp enough to deal with the density. This sucker has a staggering amount of health, you feel tired, and so is the boss. She cheats her way out of the seventh spell card, but unable to even spread her wings probably just some bug, resulting in a weak last resort that has almost zero speed.
Byakuren's fight also goes something like this

... Nah, I'm just overthinking things.
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Post by: The Wanderer on August 19, 2011, 12:34:29 PM
Is it ZUN's new thing to make the credits song a remix?
Slightly disappointing.
this is what ZUN said about the Staff Roll theme
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The staff roll theme.

This is a different version of Desire Drive.
The sense of speed has mostly been lost, but maybe it has a floating feeling now instead.

Lately I've been wondering if there's a real point to the staff roll.
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Post by: nintendonut888 on August 19, 2011, 05:10:12 PM
I love how people only notice this now. As far back as Eastern Dream the credits song could be an arrangement of another theme. Here's a fun exercise. Listen to the first 20 seconds of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHFYORrFp8U

Then listen to the intro to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk_24Aav1Fk

Bonus points if by now you have made a connection between this and the game over theme.


Ha ha, I always love thinking up stuff like this. My theory for why Utsuho's fight takes a dip in difficulty halfway through is that Utsuho just wasn't creative enough and started getting really sloppy (hence the safespot in her third spell card).
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Post by: Jana on August 19, 2011, 05:16:06 PM
He probably did.  Seriously, go spend some time trolling the Touhou wiki and read through all the trivia.  Character and spellcard names, backstory, the items they may carry and even their freaking clothing (especially in Yukari's case (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo)) has more to it than meets the eye.

Take a look at this (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Curiosities_of_Lotus_Asia/Chapter_26) too. I think ZUN plans these things way in advance.
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Post by: Helix ⑨ on August 20, 2011, 12:41:46 AM
Just 1cc'd normal with youmu :3 that's all characters 1cc'd, now on to hard!
Kinda of a shame I had 2 deaths, 1 very silly one on the 5th boss I am willing to accept. But I blatantly failed on miko's last spellcard :(
And yay for 3 succesful deathbombs
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Post by: Chronojet ⚙ Dragon on August 20, 2011, 01:22:10 AM
I'm sick and tired of people who think one part of the Stage 4 boss's theme sounds like another song. (http://www.mediafire.com/?6qi4z3q1y3287cg)
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Post by: Khaotic Ace on August 20, 2011, 01:39:55 AM
FFFF WHAT HOW? I just listened to that and I can't hear it. And then I went to listen to the Stage 4 boss theme alone and I still don't hear it.
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Post by: Aba Matindesu! on August 20, 2011, 02:02:18 AM
I can't hear it either.

(but the Stage 4 theme DOES seem to be a nice background to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asic_HdPHIQ) if slowed down.)
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Post by: Paper Conan on August 20, 2011, 02:18:49 AM
I'm sick and tired of people who think one part of the Stage 4 boss's theme sounds like another song. (http://www.mediafire.com/?6qi4z3q1y3287cg)

I never really noticed that before.
Now I can't unhear it.  :colonveeplusalpha:
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Post by: Romantique Tp on August 20, 2011, 02:32:11 AM
You guys are tripping.
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Post by: Minch on August 20, 2011, 02:59:35 AM
I'm sick and tired of people who think one part of the Stage 4 boss's theme sounds like another song. (http://www.mediafire.com/?6qi4z3q1y3287cg)
I still dont hear anything the same besides the ending.  I don't get it how people can still say that one song sounds like another song.

I can't hear it either.

(but the Stage 4 theme DOES seem to be a nice background to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asic_HdPHIQ) if slowed down.)
Oh hey there Barbie Girl. You are in a Barbie World. Made of Plastic, so fantastic!  :colonveeplusalpha:
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Post by: Helepolis on August 20, 2011, 03:21:58 AM
I wonder what is next, people going to compare Mamizou's theme to Flandre's ?
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Post by: Minch on August 20, 2011, 03:29:13 AM
I wonder what is next, people going to compare Mamizou's theme to Flandre's ?
They're going to complain how Zun's running out of ideas and just think everyone in the 10D cast is just a rehash oh wait, there are a couple of people who think that.
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Post by: Metaflare on August 20, 2011, 03:29:55 AM
I wonder what is next, people going to compare Mamizou's theme to Flandre's ?

Naw, it doesn't sound like her theme.

It sounds like Nazrin's!  :V
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Post by: Paper Conan on August 20, 2011, 03:30:28 AM
Erm.. Nue's third card is pretty much a "Then there will be none" copy.  :V
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Post by: Minch on August 20, 2011, 03:33:42 AM
Erm.. Nue's third card is pretty much a "Then there will be none" copy.  :V
Cranberry Trap is glaring at you. :V
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Post by: game2011 on August 20, 2011, 04:19:22 AM
I think Seiga's theme sounds like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ACKuhjC0qc&feature=player_detailpage#t=28s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ACKuhjC0qc&feature=player_detailpage#t=28s)
Compare that part the beginning of her theme.  Some people also say it sounds like Pokemon battle music.
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Post by: nintendonut888 on August 20, 2011, 04:28:09 AM
The allegations of ZUN copying music from others or reusing his own are all rather silly. It's as if musical phrases can't be thought up by more than one person. And the connection between Old Distant Hermit and Necro-Fantasy doesn't sound close at all.

That all said, from the second I heard it, I thought that the extra stage theme sounded an awful lot like this (http://www.mediafire.com/?z6j66a7zty78ggf) song from Bomberman 64: The Second Attack. An amusing coincidence, in my opinion. :3
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Post by: Mr. Sacchi on August 20, 2011, 05:01:40 AM
I wonder what is next, people going to compare Mamizou's theme to Flandre's ?

Well, not really, but... (http://i51.tinypic.com/mic6ea.jpg)
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on August 20, 2011, 05:37:54 AM
Well, not really, but... (http://i51.tinypic.com/mic6ea.jpg)
I'm tempted to add a picture of a certain Parsee card in there :P

Just cleared Easy with Youmu, so I have all four charas cleared on Easy now. This is defintely the fastest I've ever done that, especially after UFO, where I've got exactly one single clear, so yeah, this game ranks amongst the easier ones for me, but not in a bad way! Gonna try Normal next~
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Post by: Zengeku on August 20, 2011, 07:32:48 AM
The allegations of ZUN copying music from others or reusing his own are all rather silly. It's as if musical phrases can't be thought up by more than one person.

Perhabs ZUN has heard the music in question earlier in some irrelevant context and then was unconsciously inspired by it when he made the music.
That being said yeah, there are quite some songs in Touhou that really sounds similar to other songs. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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Post by: AJS on August 20, 2011, 07:52:09 AM
Well, not really, but... (http://i51.tinypic.com/mic6ea.jpg)
Oh hey, that's my picture! :D

Anyway, what Zengeku said is absolutely correct.  Perhaps the most glaring "copied" song is Septette for the Dead Princess, which bears striking similarities to "Beethoven Virus" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtKCNJmARF0).  However, beyond that one musical phrase, the rest of Septette is totally different.  Some people call this plagiarism on ZUN's part, but I think of it more as a tribute to Beethoven, with his own personal spin on it.  (I highly doubt that that entire phrase was invented by coincidence)
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on August 20, 2011, 08:52:00 AM
Perhaps the most glaring "copied" song is Septette for the Dead Princess, which bears striking similarities to "Beethoven Virus" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtKCNJmARF0).  However, beyond that one musical phrase, the rest of Septette is totally different.  Some people call this plagiarism on ZUN's part, but I think of it more as a tribute to Beethoven, with his own personal spin on it.  (I highly doubt that that entire phrase was invented by coincidence)
Yeah, clearly he ripped off that 2007/2008 song in his 2002 game :P

You could at least have linked to a proper version of the original sonata by Beethoven, where the similarity is still there at the very start, but it's not nearly big enough to talk about "plagiarism".
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Post by: Helepolis on August 20, 2011, 08:53:58 AM
Logically my post was an extremely sarcastic one. My point was: Sometimes people just over-think things and they force themselves to find SOMETHING that will make them go like: "OMG THIS 1/3TH SECOND OF THIS MELODY SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE NECROFANTASIA"

If you start comparing music, spell cards and art or w/e the hell like that then yes, stuff is going to look similar in your eyes. Sometimes, your brain just wants you to see or hear things while it isn't actually there. A famous example is a series of pieces from a song being presented with subtitling. They are not the lyrics but stuff people think it sounds like. And it does sound like the subtitles if you force your brain into it.

TL DR;   dwi

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Post by: AJS on August 20, 2011, 08:55:34 AM
Yeah, clearly he ripped off that 2007/2008 song in his 2002 game :P

You could at least have linked to a proper version of the original sonata by Beethoven, where the similarity is still there at the very start, but it's not nearly big enough to talk about "plagiarism".
Ahh, my bad. :getdown:

But regardless, the point I'm agreeing with is that ZUN hasn't blatantly ripped-off anything as far as I know, and just because some phrases he composes sound similar to other songs, doesn't mean it's bad or anything, whereas some people out there think it is.

(Reminds me of that whole discussion a while back about that guy who was all "OMG ZUN STOLE MY OC DESIGN FOR MAMIZOU!!!" :V)
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on August 20, 2011, 08:59:15 AM
(Reminds me of that whole discussion a while back about that guy who was all "OMG ZUN STOLE MY OC DESIGN FOR MAMIZOU!!!" :V)
About that one, someone linked a picture on IRC recently where characters from all Touhou works, including the printworks, were portrayed, and there was a tanuki amongst them, with a leaf on her head. I suppose that's simply a pretty common way to portray tanuki in human form or something?
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Post by: Helepolis on August 20, 2011, 09:16:09 AM
Same thing like portraying Shrinemaiden with sleeves and ribbons?

Also is it me, or does Mamizou kind of feel like an wise adult or something. Her theme song and appearance kind of keeps giving this feeling for me.
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Post by: Hanzo K. on August 20, 2011, 10:42:36 AM
Also is it me, or does Mamizou kind of feel like an wise adult or something. Her theme song and appearance kind of keeps giving this feeling for me.

It's not just you, she seems kinda like the Older Aunt/Big Sister to me.
Y'know, the sort that's been all over the world and brings home souvenirs from places like Africa, Siberia, and so on.
She just feels like that to me, dunno why though.

Either that, or the "Larger-than Life Fisherwoman", based on her references to the sea/ocean.
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Post by: necorelli on August 20, 2011, 11:53:03 AM
Perhaps the most glaring "copied" song is Septette for the Dead Princess, which bears striking similarities to "Beethoven Virus" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtKCNJmARF0).  However, beyond that one musical phrase, the rest of Septette is totally different.  Some people call this plagiarism on ZUN's part, but I think of it more as a tribute to Beethoven, with his own personal spin on it.  (I highly doubt that that entire phrase was invented by coincidence)

I almost hate to do this, but I like to think that ZUN used the opening phrase from  the rondo of Beethoven's Pathetique sonata.  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXS61GMNNeI) You know, rather than a 2008 song created from a game. :v But you know, the more that I think about it, either would be possible, knowing how ZUN is like... In any case, I believe that ZUN just likes 'quoting' or 'sampling' things, be it in spellcard names, dialogue, or music. Besides, artists have been quoting things from other's music since music existed.  For example: remember that M.I.A. song  'Paper Planes'? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewRjZoRtu0Y) Derp, the entire background parts of the song is sampled from The Clash's  'Staight to Hell.'  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkyCrx4DyMk)
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Post by: Metaflare on August 20, 2011, 02:47:50 PM
aaaaaaa I finally 1cc'd on normal!  :getdown: Now to try the extra sta-*dies*

...welp :V
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 20, 2011, 03:14:55 PM
Same thing like portraying Shrinemaiden with sleeves and ribbons?

Also is it me, or does Mamizou kind of feel like an wise adult or something. Her theme song and appearance kind of keeps giving this feeling for me.
It's not just you, she seems kinda like the Older Aunt/Big Sister to me.
Y'know, the sort that's been all over the world and brings home souvenirs from places like Africa, Siberia, and so on.
She just feels like that to me, dunno why though.

Either that, or the "Larger-than Life Fisherwoman", based on her references to the sea/ocean.

This is exactly how I feel about Mamizou. One of the many reasons I love her so muchies.  :3
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Post by: KrackoCloud on August 20, 2011, 05:42:06 PM
I find it hard to see Mamizou as the "trump card" of youkai, much less an equal rival to the kitsune. She just seems to lack... Grandioseness?
Her theme is great, though.

Also, Mamizou says she came from Sado. Looks like youkai actually can move in and out of Gensokyo. It also makes me wonder how other youkai societies are working out.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 20, 2011, 05:50:17 PM
I find it hard to see Mamizou as the "trump card" of youkai, much less an equal rival to the kitsune. She just seems to lack... Grandioseness?

That's another advantage of being Mamizou. You're much stronger than you look. People couldn't possibly take her seriously with that look. But then BAM!, gingerbread man to the face.  :getdown:
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Post by: Barrakketh on August 20, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
there was a tanuki amongst them, with a leaf on her head. I suppose that's simply a pretty common way to portray tanuki in human form or something?
Well, you have some sources and stories with the tanuki putting a leaf on its head and chanting before transforming.   This one is missing the leaf on its head, but you can see the leaf outside the puf of smoke.

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/Touhou/th_1313211453147.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/Touhou/?action=view&current=1313211453147.jpg)

I'm not sure whether she is transforming or Reimu is blowing her up  :3
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Post by: Hanzo K. on August 20, 2011, 07:34:35 PM
Some sources I've seen indicate that they use leaves as a body double trick, like ninjas.
And they also use them in quick-escape tricks, also like ninjas.

So if Reimu did blast her, she only hit a copy.
And if Reimu didn't blast her, then that's just the leaf left behind from a quick-escape.
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Post by: Metaflare on August 20, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
So basically tanuki are ninjas
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on August 20, 2011, 08:08:07 PM
So basically tanuki are ninjas
With giant balls :V
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Post by: Iryan on August 20, 2011, 08:16:55 PM
With giant balls :V
Now you got me imagining Mamizou singing Great Balls of Fire.

I hope you are happy.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 20, 2011, 08:23:15 PM
So basically tanuki are ninjas
With giant balls :V
Now you got me imagining Mamizou singing Great Balls of Fire.

I hope you are happy.

I was thinking more along the lines of the Bang Install.  :V
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Post by: Metaflare on August 20, 2011, 10:39:38 PM
Today I learned that in Seiga's second spellcard Yoshika follows you around the screen.

It's more obvious in hard and lunatic, because her position doesn't get reset after she dies.

zombie wants your braaaaaaaiiiiiins
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Post by: AJS on August 20, 2011, 10:42:29 PM
Now you got me imagining Mamizou singing Great Balls of Fire.

I hope you are happy.
And now you got me imagining Mamizou stating in a rough voice that she possesses two spherical objects of a metal nature.

Cannot un-imagine.

I really hope you're happy with what you've done...
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Post by: Metaflare on August 20, 2011, 10:47:54 PM
Mamizou Nukem Forever (Will be released Winter 2011 2012 2014 TBA)
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Post by: AxiamWolfe on August 21, 2011, 12:02:29 AM
Is it just me or did Yoshika's last spellcard get a tweak after 1.00b or 1.00c patch? At least on normal, in the trial the blue spirits appeared in a ring around her; same with 1.00a. After the patches, they instead appear mostly to the her sides.
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Post by: Tamashii Kanjou on August 21, 2011, 12:06:50 AM
Hmm, nice to see I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

It has made capturing that card a little more annoying. Most of my captures on that card, now, have been with 1 second to go.
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Post by: ふねん1 on August 21, 2011, 12:27:17 AM
Actually it's not just to her sides. They still appear all around her, except IIRC the ones directly above and below are practically right on top of her when they spawn. As if it wasn't already hard enough trying to get a good portion of the spirits before she ate them, the patches just made the card significantly harder to capture (because you only have time to collect spirits from one side, as opposed to two or more if you're fast enough in v1.00a). I've yet to get even close to depleting all of her health on Lunatic with Reimu. Thank God that card doesn't give up life or bomb spirits anyway, so it's not like a time-out is gonna totally ruin my scoring path or anything.

EDIT: Welp, I got a capture. I had to dodge the kunai way up high to have a legit chance of getting through the lasers in time to collect stuff. And it still brought me down to a few seconds on the timer before it ended. I'm still not fond of this change.
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Post by: Aba Matindesu! on August 21, 2011, 12:35:54 AM
Is it me or was Youmu designed to give you a really hard time with Yoshika's first card? Her slashes keep hitting the spirits on the sides, and her myons can't deal enough damage in a timely fashion :<
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Post by: Derpface on August 21, 2011, 02:32:41 AM
Is it me or was Youmu designed to give you a really hard time with Yoshika's first card? Her slashes keep hitting the spirits on the sides, and her myons can't deal enough damage in a timely fashion :<

Yep. Thought the same myself, Youmu will just have to time it out or something(something as in kill it with the myons through careful dodging), the slashes are so wide they end up healing Yoshika more than they hurt her.
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Post by: Chronojet ⚙ Dragon on August 21, 2011, 03:48:47 AM
Well, there is at one last option. Just bomb or trance it. It will not work very well for score.
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Post by: Abita on August 21, 2011, 06:14:22 AM
Why did Youmu have to be so... odd to play as. My first playthrough I went into focus and had no idea why I wasn't shooting anything anymore. The first couple times I would leave focus mode before I even finished charging xP  I guess you just gotta learn trying and failing repeatedly.
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Post by: Formless God on August 22, 2011, 12:11:37 AM
Yoshika's first card can still be captured unfocused. Another alternative is to position yourself between her and one of the Myon so that your slash hits both. Collect the spirit it releases before Yoshika consumes them. Note that after you kill six of them, they stop spawning until you kill one on the other side.
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Post by: [K]KoaMeow on August 22, 2011, 01:09:44 AM
Huh. That explains why in one of my runs the spirits on her left didn't respawn.
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Post by: Nem on August 22, 2011, 02:54:44 AM
What I do is attack Yoshika with Youmu's slashes until the spirits spawn. When the spirits spawn, I start unloading unfocused shots on Yoshika. When it's unsafe to dodge the spirits' bullets unfocused, I strafe to the left and kill the spirits on the left with slashes. After the spirits are destroyed, I ignore the blue spirits as I'm too slow to collect them without risking a life. It's safe to use slashes as long as the right spirits are out of range of the slashes. As long as the right spirits remain alive, Yoshika cannot outheal Youmu's damage.

Since when did the spirits spawn at Yoshika's sides during her final spellcard? I could've sworn they spawned in a circle around her in the demo.
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Post by: Helepolis on August 22, 2011, 07:32:16 AM
Since when did the spirits spawn at Yoshika's sides during her final spellcard? I could've sworn they spawned in a circle around her in the demo.
Is it just me or did Yoshika's last spellcard get a tweak after 1.00b or 1.00c patch? At least on normal, in the trial the blue spirits appeared in a ring around her; same with 1.00a. After the patches, they instead appear mostly to the her sides.
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Post by: game2011 on August 22, 2011, 03:27:26 PM
What's parallel ending?

Thanks in advance!
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Post by: TMiles on August 22, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
Paralel Ending is a ending that is just some funny text or some crazy ideas like
Sanae convering to Taoism
,you unlock them after beating Extra, to get them you need to end Miko's battle with 3 or more bombs.

God Miko's battle is so fun, I love the Eternal Meek one and the penultimate spell. The Non Spells aren't that good, but they are decent, her first spellcard would be better without the bullets disappearing, the one with Futo and Soga felt really dumb to me. The last one is pretty easy and would be better if it worked like Mamizou Second Spell.

But the music is awesome and her design too, loved her the minute I finished her battle :3
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Post by: ApharmdB on August 22, 2011, 05:38:27 PM
That Eternal Meek spellcard turns her into a disco ball and the spellcard before it basically shows the lights on the disco's floor when you rotate one of those disco balls. I think I know where ZUN designed her now...
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Post by: AJS on August 22, 2011, 06:57:53 PM
That Eternal Meek spellcard turns her into a disco ball and the spellcard before it basically shows the lights on the disco's floor when you rotate one of those disco balls. I think I know where ZUN designed her now...
First Kanako with her rave lights, now Miko. :V  Those headphones of hers certainly don't help either.  inb4fanartwithKanakoandMikohostingarave.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 22, 2011, 07:03:07 PM
First Kanako with her rave lights, now Miko. :V  Those headphones of hers certainly don't help either.  inb4fanartwithKanakoandMikohostingarave.

Put dancing queen Iku into the equation and it's a party.  :getdown:
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Post by: nintendonut888 on August 22, 2011, 07:33:01 PM
This is kinda random, but I don't know anywhere to put this.

Lately as I've been listening to the stage 6 theme, I can't help but be reminded a certain unused song from LLS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtyoR0QIXNg

They don't even really sound that similar, but I feel like A Small Desire's Starry Sky has the same kind of energy as this final stage theme would have given LLS had it been used. I wonder if anyone else would think the same way...?
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Post by: Jaimers on August 22, 2011, 08:20:38 PM
Not sure why people keep calling Miko's 5th spellcard "like Eternal Meek" seeing as it's absolutely nothing like Eternal Meek.
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Post by: AJS on August 22, 2011, 08:22:23 PM
Not sure why people keep calling Miko's 5th spellcard "like Eternal Meek" seeing as it's absolutely nothing like Eternal Meek.
At first glance, it looks like it, but after facing it a few times, I realized that there is actually a pattern to it, whereas Eternal Meek is completely random.
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Post by: ふねん1 on August 22, 2011, 10:20:19 PM
At first glance, it looks like it, but after facing it a few times, I realized that there is actually a pattern to it, whereas Eternal Meek is completely random.
Plus Guse Flash actually looks cool while Eternal Meek does not.
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Post by: Be Pok U (1998 burst style) on August 23, 2011, 01:03:04 AM
Paralel Ending is a ending that is just some funny text or some crazy ideas like
Sanae convering to Taoism
,you unlock them after beating Extra, to get them you need to end Miko's battle with 3 or more bombs.

So parallel endings are just a joke end ? :wat:
Since they all sort of try to become hermits in them; and youmu sports a moustache
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Post by: warpshadow on August 23, 2011, 02:10:09 AM
I have two questions about the game
1.Is there any new Youmu memes due to Ten Desires?
2.Who is Marisa's new girlfriend? I think she picks up a new one every game she is in.
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Post by: Metaflare on August 23, 2011, 02:54:53 AM
I have two questions about the game
1.Is there any new Youmu memes due to Ten Desires?
2.Who is Marisa's new girlfriend? I think she picks up a new one every game she is in.

1: Too soon to tell
2: No one
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Post by: Khaotic Ace on August 23, 2011, 02:57:44 AM
This is kinda random, but I don't know anywhere to put this.

Lately as I've been listening to the stage 6 theme, I can't help but be reminded a certain unused song from LLS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtyoR0QIXNg

They don't even really sound that similar, but I feel like A Small Desire's Starry Sky has the same kind of energy as this final stage theme would have given LLS had it been used. I wonder if anyone else would think the same way...?
*glass shatters* I hear it. o-o

AND WHAT'S THIS ABOUT
YOUMU WITH A MOUSTACHE?
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Post by: AxiamWolfe on August 23, 2011, 01:03:19 PM
This is kinda random, but I don't know anywhere to put this.

Lately as I've been listening to the stage 6 theme, I can't help but be reminded a certain unused song from LLS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtyoR0QIXNg

They don't even really sound that similar, but I feel like A Small Desire's Starry Sky has the same kind of energy as this final stage theme would have given LLS had it been used. I wonder if anyone else would think the same way...?

Your right, they do sound similar in that sense. Also note the same "pause before more of the song kicks in" that occurs at about 0:28 in both songs.

ZUN's pulling old ideas back out it seems.
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Post by: Tengukami on August 23, 2011, 02:16:49 PM
ZUN does draw from a series of chord progression pastiches that he has used in the past to create new songs. This doesn't mean his new songs are just pieces of old ones; new songs might have a couple or a few musical phrases from old songs tossed in there, here and there.

Keep in mind though that ZUN is a musician, really - every game CD, some of them released a couple times in a year - has a collection of songs on it. How many musicians can boast that kind of output? So it's natural he would lift older phrases from older songs here and there to help support new material.

And when he does compose a song that's both completely new and very good, the results are astonishing.
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Post by: AJS on August 23, 2011, 04:44:36 PM
And when he does compose a song that's both completely new and very good, the results are astonishing.
That's not to say, though, that just because he "lifts some older phrases" that some of his songs aren't still good. :D
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 23, 2011, 04:50:16 PM
ZUN really knows how to take something and make something completely new. I mean, look at Necrofantasy and Necrofantasia. Best example I can give you. Even though the latter was essentially a remix of the first, they're absolutely different. Even ZUN himself makes note of that.
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Post by: Savory on August 23, 2011, 05:29:38 PM
Is there any new Youmu memes due to Ten Desires?

I give you "Bed-Head Youmu".

(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9100/youmuz.png)
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Post by: Tengukami on August 23, 2011, 05:53:00 PM
That's not to say, though, that just because he "lifts some older phrases" that some of his songs aren't still good. :D

Yeah, of course. That was sort of my point. If you took a musician who'd been putting out at least one CD a year for the past 15 years, you'd expect some musical phrases would repeat themselves in some songs. Which doesn't diminish their greatness; I'm just saying it's a natural thing for musicians to do, consciously or unconsciously.
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Post by: Mimachiro on August 23, 2011, 11:22:53 PM
I give you "Bed-Head Youmu".
Seconded :3
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 24, 2011, 12:17:46 AM
Touhou 13 for next Kinect game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUkshhY3HKk&feature=related)
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Post by: Black Mage on August 24, 2011, 03:19:28 AM
Touhou 13 for next Kinect game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUkshhY3HKk&feature=related)
Definitely the most epic thing I saw in a long time.  :derp:

On a side note, loved that Cirno cosplay.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 24, 2011, 03:26:16 AM
Touhou 13 for next Kinect game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUkshhY3HKk&feature=related)

That is the most beautiful thing I've seen in a long time.
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Post by: Suikama on August 24, 2011, 03:48:56 AM
Touhou 13 for next Kinect game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUkshhY3HKk&feature=related)
A lot of his deaths could have been avoided if he just stood still, but I guess it's not cool that way BV
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Post by: An Odd Sea Slug on August 24, 2011, 04:12:13 AM
Touhou 13 for next Kinect game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUkshhY3HKk&feature=related)

My week is made.

Also, I'm going to imagine Cirno's voice as that from now on. Hawt cosplay, and I'm normally not big on cosplay.
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Post by: Metaflare on August 24, 2011, 04:17:17 AM
I like how ZUN doesn't seem to know what the hell is going on.
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Post by: Savory on August 24, 2011, 05:17:40 AM
I like how ZUN doesn't seem to know what the hell is going on.

I like how he's simply having fun with it.
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on August 24, 2011, 05:28:42 AM
I like the amount of beer bottles that were on the table went ZUN went back to sit down...
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Post by: Mimachiro on August 24, 2011, 10:28:15 AM
I like the amount of beer bottles that were on the table went ZUN went back to sit down...
This. That was the most beautiful thing of the whole video. :3
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Post by: Tengukami on August 24, 2011, 11:55:13 AM
Touhou 13 for next Kinect game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUkshhY3HKk&feature=related)

Is there a version of this that doesn't have a wall of WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW scrolling horizontally across the screen? I like Nico comments as much as the next guy, but I'd also like to watch the video.
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Post by: likkyzero on August 24, 2011, 12:00:19 PM
Touhou 13 for next Kinect game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUkshhY3HKk&feature=related)

if i saw correctly that was kinect on the PC right?

i saw the windows stuff
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 24, 2011, 02:03:29 PM
I like the amount of beer bottles that were on the table went ZUN went back to sit down...

That was awesome.  :3
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Post by: An Odd Sea Slug on August 24, 2011, 02:34:34 PM
I like the amount of beer bottles that were on the table went ZUN went back to sit down...

Somehow, I managed to miss this the first time I watched the video. Absolutely awesome.
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Post by: Zengeku on August 24, 2011, 09:20:38 PM
Lol, ZUN sucks at danmaku.
After all, The Kinect makes the impossible, possible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKzA_oTUzAE)

--------

Ahem. Interesting watch anyway. If people would stop showering the screen with their comments it would be better though. Like people loudly commenting on a movie in the cinema.
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Post by: Tengukami on August 24, 2011, 09:31:34 PM
Lol, ZUN sucks at danmaku.
After all, The Kinect makes the impossible, possible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKzA_oTUzAE)

If all you need to do is stream left to right to left again, over and over, yeah, I imagine the Kinect would be great for that.





:trollface:
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Post by: Helix ⑨ on August 25, 2011, 12:25:10 AM
Lol, ZUN sucks at danmaku.
After all, The Kinect makes the impossible, possible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKzA_oTUzAE)

--------

Ahem. Interesting watch anyway. If people would stop showering the screen with their comments it would be better though. Like people loudly commenting on a movie in the cinema.
I don't get that video. The guy doesn't move at all yet the comments are all about how awesome he must be for being able to dodge everything. Looks fake to me  :ohdear:
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 25, 2011, 12:27:29 AM
:trollface:
I take this as a personal offense, good sir. :colbert:
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Post by: Drake on August 25, 2011, 12:34:20 AM
I don't get that video. The guy doesn't move at all yet the comments are all about how awesome he must be for being able to dodge everything. Looks fake to me  :ohdear:
there is a video description for a reason
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Post by: Be Pok U (1998 burst style) on August 25, 2011, 07:06:55 AM
So did marisa get nerfed even more in the full release? I noticed consistently on capturing "Transformation "Pseudo-Exorcism of the Stupid Shrine Maiden"" using identical methods results in a clear 23 seconds for Reimu and 29 for Marisa  :derp:

Even Sanae is faster at 26 seconds...
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Post by: Drake on August 25, 2011, 07:46:08 AM
marisa has the highest dps, minus youmuslash
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Post by: Be Pok U (1998 burst style) on August 25, 2011, 08:08:34 AM
marisa has the highest dps, minus youmuslash

I thought that was only against yuyu fan :V and shotdata from the demo?
Then I don't get why Marisa takes so long to capture that one compared to everyone else - 6 seconds is a lot.

Then playing again, I suspect Marisa dps goes to nil if the target is moving; as opposed to testing on a static target. Maybe Marisa is the weakest in dps when confronted with moving targets? As in the missiles only do full damage if they sit right on top of the explosion for its duration.
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Post by: Helepolis on August 25, 2011, 10:03:59 AM
PS does the Marisa focus/unfocus help her achieve higher DPS because of the magic missiles + lasers?
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Post by: Zengeku on August 25, 2011, 11:52:13 AM
If all you need to do is stream left to right to left again, over and over, yeah, I imagine the Kinect would be great for that.
You are actually on to something. It would be excellent for Ten Desires.
 :trollface:
I don't get that video. The guy doesn't move at all yet the comments are all about how awesome he must be for being able to dodge everything. Looks fake to me  :ohdear:

Just youtube comments being what they are. The video is obviously fake.
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Post by: Aba Matindesu! on August 25, 2011, 12:23:07 PM
Can anyone see how, months from now, we'll be seeing fanart of
Futo
working as a geomancer for the Human Village?

"Okay, if you want him to go to Heaven, you'll want to put a jug of fruit juice here, that smut mag there, and that Ming vase... yes, I'm sorry, you're going to have to break it. What, you don't want him to go to Hea--

*CRASH*

...much better. Okay, those shards go over there NO NOT THAT ONE yeah that one, NO DON'T GET YOUR BLOOD ALL OVER IT WAIT WHAT WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE HEMOPHILIA"
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Post by: Khaotic Ace on August 25, 2011, 12:36:46 PM
Bahaha, I laughed so hard at that image. It's good to read these kinds of things in the morning.
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 25, 2011, 05:42:16 PM
I think Futo would make an excellent trapmaster. Walking right through a door she doesn't want you to walk though, you'd immediately start having your qi sapped and weakened. Beware walking into the mausoleum after hours.
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Post by: Be Pok U (1998 burst style) on August 25, 2011, 06:33:35 PM
PS does the Marisa focus/unfocus help her achieve higher DPS because of the magic missiles + lasers?

Shouldn't work in 10D I think. Malice cannon worked because Alice's laser came out instantly, doesn't take a bit of time to extend across the screen like Marisa's in 10D, and Alice's laser lingers on the screen for a few seconds even if you switch back to unfocused while 10D lasers retract immediately when you go into unfocused.

So I believe if you tried that in 10D, Marisa would actually have even worse dps because you end up firing less shots between switching altogether.
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Post by: AJS on August 25, 2011, 07:35:16 PM
It seems that the reason I have so much trouble with Mamizou's last non-spell and final spell card is because my computer lags during those attacks, so it's hard to move accurately.  Anyone have any suggestions on how I could possibly take care of this slowdown?  I've already tried going to the Task Manager and setting the priority for th13.exe to "High", and that doesn't seem to have done anything.
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Post by: VIVItheFujoshi on August 26, 2011, 02:25:45 AM
finally scanned,but obviously warning spoilers...look in my DA.
warning spoilers - if no want break the surprise, don?t see it
http://vivitheheiwa.deviantart.com/art/Ten-desires-Touhou-boss-cast-255035250
warning spoilers - if no want break the surprise, don?t see it
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Post by: Tengukami on August 26, 2011, 03:08:03 AM
Always a pleasure, Vivi. Love your drawing style.
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Post by: Chronojet ⚙ Dragon on August 26, 2011, 04:41:11 AM
That Yuyuko. Everything is so lovely. But that Yuyuko...! So... Yuyulovely.

I must go looking for more of your art.
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Post by: AJS on August 26, 2011, 05:45:44 AM
finally scanned,but obviously warning spoilers...look in my DA.
warning spoilers - if no want break the surprise, don?t see it
http://vivitheheiwa.deviantart.com/art/Ten-desires-Touhou-boss-cast-255035250
warning spoilers - if no want break the surprise, don?t see it
Dat tail....... :o
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Post by: lumber_of_the_beast on August 26, 2011, 10:00:20 AM
So, the only way to get a decent number of lives/bombs is to Trance at the right points... and the only way to fill your Trance meter at a decent rate is to sit right under the bosses while they are trying to kill you.

Welp, time to start waiting for TH14.
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Post by: Mimachiro on August 26, 2011, 10:39:36 AM
So, the only way to get a decent number of lives/bombs is to Trance at the right points... and the only way to fill your Trance meter at a decent rate is to sit right under the bosses while they are trying to kill you.
Actually, it's faster to fill the trance meter by chaining enemies.
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Post by: Aba Matindesu! on August 26, 2011, 11:11:25 AM
finally scanned,but obviously warning spoilers...look in my DA.
warning spoilers - if no want break the surprise, don?t see it
http://vivitheheiwa.deviantart.com/art/Ten-desires-Touhou-boss-cast-255035250
warning spoilers - if no want break the surprise, don?t see it

Sorry I couldn't look any longer, my nose just started flooding the house.
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Post by: game2011 on August 26, 2011, 11:59:22 AM
When can we talk about the new characters outside of this topic?

Thanks in advance!
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Post by: Savory on August 26, 2011, 02:21:10 PM
Daw, so adorable xD
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Post by: Drake on August 26, 2011, 06:34:03 PM
So, the only way to get a decent number of lives/bombs is to Trance at the right points... and the only way to fill your Trance meter at a decent rate is to sit right under the bosses while they are trying to kill you.

Welp, time to start waiting for TH14.
You basically don't have to do anything extraordinary to get as many resources as you need.
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Post by: lumber_of_the_beast on August 26, 2011, 07:40:02 PM
Actually, it's faster to fill the trance meter by chaining enemies.
chaining
You're really not convincing me I should fail at playing this on Easy when I can go beat PCB Normal instead.

You basically don't have to do anything extraordinary to get as many resources as you need.
You're not helping, either. If I was getting the resources I needed, I obviously wouldn't be complaining about the difficulty, now, would I?
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on August 26, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
If you are comparing this game on Easy to any other on Normal you are doing something fundamentally wrong.
I've got a very low skill-level in Touhou-games and yet I've 1CC'd this one with all four charas and without major issues, on Easy of course, usually with several lives and even bombs to spare. Just shoot everything as you would anyway, and you will get more than enough Trance. That is already "chaining", just the same stuff you do all the time :P
And when a lot of fragments are going to pop up, use Trance and collect them all. Rinse and repeat, it's not even something you really have to think about much, nor does it require much skill.
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Post by: Drake on August 26, 2011, 07:55:52 PM
You have it backwards. You're convincing yourself that the game isn't letting you win because you can't see what the game expects of you. You won't accept any help since you already hold the notion that the game isn't worth playing because you can't beat it.

If you want to reject help and stay terrible at this game then so be it.
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Post by: lumber_of_the_beast on August 26, 2011, 10:25:38 PM
In other news, bitching about something makes me better at it (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=15587).
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Post by: KrackoCloud on August 26, 2011, 10:52:49 PM
So in the end, it's just practice and memorization, isn't it?

Well, if you're still bent on 1cc'ing Normal, watching replays is really helpful in pretty much every way.

Also, spirit collection is pretty easy, actually. Make sure you shoot down all enemies in the stage. Only trance when the important fairies come.
Collect spirits after every spell card completion. The game will always give you enough time to get up and back. Only get close to the enemy when it's easy, because although it can really rack up your spirit meter, it's actually not that necessary.
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on August 26, 2011, 11:17:43 PM
When can we talk about the new characters outside of this topic?
Whoops, forgot to update the news header.
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Post by: The Wanderer on August 27, 2011, 02:24:40 AM
about the description for Nue
She was the one who wanted to take you out not the girls  :V
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Post by: Stuffman on August 27, 2011, 11:59:27 PM
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7711/futo.png)

Look to thy faith. Now look to Taoism. Now back to thy faith. Now back to Taoism. Unfortunately, thy faith is not Taoism, but if thou ignorest the teachings of the Dark Lord Byakuren, thou couldst become immortal like me!

Looketh to thy feet. Now back up. Wherefore art thou? Thou art here to witness the resurrection of the crown prince! Looketh to him. Now back to me. Who is he? He is the saint Shoutoko, able to listen to all ten of thy desires. Look again. The saint is now a young girl!

Anything is possible when thou practiceth the way of Tao and forsake wretched Buddhism.

I'm on a boat!
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Post by: KrackoCloud on August 28, 2011, 12:38:45 AM
Anything is possible when thou practiceth the way of Tao and forsake wretched Buddhism.
Almost!
'-Eth' is a 3rd person suffix, and should be replaced with 'est.' Unfortunately for us, 'ignorest,' 'lookest,' and 'practicest' don't sound very nice. Maybe 'dost not heed' and 'followest?' I'm pretty sure 'looketh' can just become 'look.'

I think you might be able to use more 'art's as well, but I'm not too sure about the grammar behind that word.
I wish I was a bit more fluent in this stuff.

But, uh, on topic! >_>
The Ten Desires music has grown on me really quickly. I was surprised. Stage 4, Miko's theme, and Mamizou's theme are great.
Unfortunately, I still don't see much worth in the themes for Kaku and Futo. And I think in general, the only thing I like about Kaku is how she's all blue and owns Yoshika. Her theme and danmaku aren't too great, and I feel like Yoshika actually is more interesting.

Tojiko's still my favorite new character in this game. :Y
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Post by: Aba Matindesu! on August 28, 2011, 01:30:12 AM
<snip>
:teaspit:
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Post by: Paper Conan on August 28, 2011, 03:20:15 AM
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7711/futo.png)

Look to thy faith. Now look to Taoism. Now back to thy faith. Now back to Taoism. Unfortunately, thy faith is not Taoism, but if thou ignorest the teachings of the Dark Lord Byakuren, thou couldst become immortal like me!

Looketh to thy feet. Now back up. Wherefore art thou? Thou art here to witness the resurrection of the crown prince! Looketh to him. Now back to me. Who is he? He is the saint Shoutoko, able to listen to all ten of thy desires. Look again. The saint is now a young girl!

Anything is possible when thou practiceth the way of Tao and forsake wretched Buddhism.

I'm on a boat!
I love you please have my babies.
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on August 28, 2011, 05:37:04 AM
Stuff attacks again
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Post by: TAKE IT CACODEMON!! on August 28, 2011, 07:29:15 AM
Conan, I will have to knife-fight you for the right to get impregnated by Stuffman.
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Post by: AJS on August 28, 2011, 07:33:41 AM
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7711/futo.png)

Look to thy faith. Now look to Taoism. Now back to thy faith. Now back to Taoism. Unfortunately, thy faith is not Taoism, but if thou ignorest the teachings of the Dark Lord Byakuren, thou couldst become immortal like me!

Looketh to thy feet. Now back up. Wherefore art thou? Thou art here to witness the resurrection of the crown prince! Looketh to him. Now back to me. Who is he? He is the saint Shoutoko, able to listen to all ten of thy desires. Look again. The saint is now a young girl!

Anything is possible when thou practiceth the way of Tao and forsake wretched Buddhism.

I'm on a boat!
Make a voice recording of yourself reciting that in an epic voice, and you'll be my hero. :3
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Post by: Tengukami on August 28, 2011, 07:45:10 AM
Also, spirit collection is pretty easy, actually. Make sure you shoot down all enemies in the stage. Only trance when the important fairies come.
Collect spirits after every spell card completion. The game will always give you enough time to get up and back. Only get close to the enemy when it's easy, because although it can really rack up your spirit meter, it's actually not that necessary.

This has been pretty much my experience, too. It is incredibly easy to chain in this game so long as yeah, you don't bother with trying to collect spirits around bosses. Although I usually like to save Trance for them.
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Post by: Byaaakuren on August 28, 2011, 08:05:32 AM
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7711/futo.png)

Look to thy faith. Now look to Taoism. Now back to thy faith. Now back to Taoism. Unfortunately, thy faith is not Taoism, but if thou ignorest the teachings of the Dark Lord Byakuren, thou couldst become immortal like me!

Looketh to thy feet. Now back up. Wherefore art thou? Thou art here to witness the resurrection of the crown prince! Looketh to him. Now back to me. Who is he? He is the saint Shoutoko, able to listen to all ten of thy desires. Look again. The saint is now a young girl!

Anything is possible when thou practiceth the way of Tao and forsake wretched Buddhism.

I'm on a boat!

Haha I love you :3
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Post by: Puffy on August 28, 2011, 03:24:45 PM
Deathbombing advice?

It's abit "differant" from the other Touhou's hmmm can't accurately time myself before auto-trance comes up, Mess's up my runs at times. Need.To.Focus.More.
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Post by: Drake on August 28, 2011, 07:21:40 PM
Deathbombing is exactly exactly the same as it's always been. The only reason you think there's a difference is because when you fail, deathtrance pops up.

You can also death...trance (undeathtrance? lifetrance?), which has the exact same timing as a deathbomb, and you won't die at the end. You can tell when you've done it, because the little vwoom sound will be played a bit later than if you had died.

it's the saaaaaaaame
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Post by: Zengeku on August 28, 2011, 08:07:10 PM
I'm on a boat!

I have no idea about who you are, but that was pretty awesome. :D
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Post by: Kilvoctu on August 28, 2011, 08:25:21 PM
Deathbombing is exactly exactly the same as it's always been. The only reason you think there's a difference is because when you fail, deathtrance pops up.

You can also death...trance (undeathtrance? lifetrance?), which has the exact same timing as a deathbomb, and you won't die at the end. You can tell when you've done it, because the little vwoom sound will be played a bit later than if you had died.

That's nice to know. I wasn't sure if one can do so.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on August 28, 2011, 11:41:43 PM
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7711/futo.png)

Look to thy faith. Now look to Taoism. Now back to thy faith. Now back to Taoism. Unfortunately, thy faith is not Taoism, but if thou ignorest the teachings of the Dark Lord Byakuren, thou couldst become immortal like me!

Looketh to thy feet. Now back up. Wherefore art thou? Thou art here to witness the resurrection of the crown prince! Looketh to him. Now back to me. Who is he? He is the saint Shoutoko, able to listen to all ten of thy desires. Look again. The saint is now a young girl!

Anything is possible when thou practiceth the way of Tao and forsake wretched Buddhism.

I'm on a boat!

I love you.  :3
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Post by: Shizzo on August 29, 2011, 10:58:44 PM
Has anybody tried to activate trance on spellcard practice?

I have been trying to do that; deathtrance isn't possible.  Filling up the bar is harder than I thought.  I have been using Sanae on Futo's last spellcard on easy, found a way to get in the biggest gaps, making close contact with her more easy. 
I still haven't succeeded though, I always timeout the card with my 3rd bar almost filled.
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Post by: ふねん1 on August 29, 2011, 11:19:11 PM
As far as I can tell, you can't activate Trance in Spellcard Practice. I was able to fill up the gauge during Miko's last card, but the game didn't let me turn it on.
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Post by: nintendonut888 on August 31, 2011, 08:07:28 AM
So, while starting up 10D today, something weird happened. The loading screen ended earlier than normal, and the title music started. However, instead of the spinning thing that turns into the title screen, a small, squished screen giving the game's title appeared in the right side of the screen for a few seconds before this happened. Thing is, this is the second time it happened (the first I thought was my imagination). Has this ever happened for anyone else?
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Post by: Agent of the BSoD on September 02, 2011, 05:33:14 AM
So, while starting up 10D today, something weird happened. The loading screen ended earlier than normal, and the title music started. However, instead of the spinning thing that turns into the title screen, a small, squished screen giving the game's title appeared in the right side of the screen for a few seconds before this happened. Thing is, this is the second time it happened (the first I thought was my imagination). Has this ever happened for anyone else?
Hmm, can't say I've ever had that happen to me. Is that fullscreen, by chance? I'd actually love to see that myself. The only game I've had start up weird is MoF, where the textures are screwed up, and a crash comes a little after playing. I have a recording, but it's only a few seconds long due to that. :ohdear:
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Post by: nintendonut888 on September 02, 2011, 06:38:08 AM
Aye, it is fullscreen. Also it happens so infrequently and so suddenly the chances of me catching a screenshot is very slim.
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Post by: GuppyForce on September 04, 2011, 12:35:26 AM
Someone's probably already found this out, but different modes in TD give different amounts of continues. Normal has 3 while lunatic gives 9.

That's probably what gave some people the impression of infinite continues
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Post by: Lloyd Dunamis on September 04, 2011, 12:33:12 PM
...Eep, I hope I don't overshadow the recent posts :ohdear:

I'm not much familiar of the new 10D characters yet, but I've read something what people see as...uhh... golden or something...

*ahem* Here goes nothing >///////<:
Mononobe no Taoism.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4299736/MotK/Special/Mononobe%20no%20Taoism.mp3)
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7711/futo.png)

Look to thy faith. Now look to Taoism. Now back to thy faith. Now back to Taoism. Unfortunately, thy faith is not Taoism, but if thou ignorest the teachings of the Dark Lord Byakuren, thou couldst become immortal like me!

Looketh to thy feet. Now back up. Wherefore art thou? Thou art here to witness the resurrection of the crown prince! Looketh to him. Now back to me. Who is he? He is the saint Shoutoko, able to listen to all ten of thy desires. Look again. The saint is now a young girl!

Anything is possible when thou practiceth the way of Tao and forsake wretched Buddhism.

I'm on a boat!

...Eheh, well, it's the impression I got out of the ghostly theme of 10D and the script or something, so... Yeah. My impression ^^;;. Do tell if something sounds iffy though, I appreciate comments & complaints like anyone would like to =w=.
*bows*

Make a voice recording of yourself reciting that in an epic voice, and you'll be my hero. :3
Unn... This is not Stuffman's voice, but please give the credit to him. Thank you >w<.

W-well then, I'm...going to my bed now... :ohdear:
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Post by: Iryan on September 04, 2011, 12:59:26 PM
*ahem* Here goes nothing >///////<:
Mononobe no Taoism.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4299736/MotK/Special/Mononobe%20no%20Taoism.mp3)
:* :* :*
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on September 04, 2011, 01:54:16 PM
Ooooh, so *that* was what you were working on. Goddamnit Lloyd, well done  :D
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Post by: FinnKaenbyou on September 04, 2011, 01:59:18 PM
Lloyd, that was glorious.
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Post by: Fetch()tirade on September 04, 2011, 02:05:16 PM


I enlightened.
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Post by: Tamashii Kanjou on September 04, 2011, 02:42:47 PM
...

There's only one thing I can say here...

...

(Glomps Lloyd)

YOU AMAZING, MOE BUNDLE! THAT WAS AMAZING! <3
So smooth, yet dark. So amazing!
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Post by: Aba Matindesu! on September 04, 2011, 03:52:53 PM

Mononobe no Taoism.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4299736/MotK/Special/Mononobe%20no%20Taoism.mp3)
You deserve this Internet.
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Post by: Frog on September 04, 2011, 04:03:40 PM
That was...  :o
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on September 04, 2011, 05:19:58 PM
I... Well, derp.
:getdown:
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Post by: Agent of the BSoD on September 04, 2011, 05:26:06 PM
Mononobe no Taoism.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4299736/MotK/Special/Mononobe%20no%20Taoism.mp3)
That was, truly amazing. :o
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on September 04, 2011, 07:29:15 PM

Mononobe no Taoism.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4299736/MotK/Special/Mononobe%20no%20Taoism.mp3)


ALL OF MY LOVE

ALL OF IT

 :* :* :*
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Post by: Mimachiro on September 04, 2011, 09:59:37 PM
Mononobe no Taoism.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4299736/MotK/Special/Mononobe%20no%20Taoism.mp3)
The was awesome, man. You deserve ten drinks for that.
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Post by: Khaotic Ace on September 05, 2011, 04:11:44 AM
Mononobe no Taoism.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4299736/MotK/Special/Mononobe%20no%20Taoism.mp3)
I am sold for Taoism.  :V And I giggled very very much.
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Post by: DX7.EP on September 05, 2011, 06:10:26 PM
Mononobe no Taoism.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4299736/MotK/Special/Mononobe%20no%20Taoism.mp3)
This is DEFINITELY going into Touhou GTA mod's radio commercials, after adding a little background music (which I can do easily). :getdown:
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Post by: Mimachiro on September 05, 2011, 08:59:10 PM
This is DEFINITELY going into Touhou GTA mod's radio commercials, after adding a little background music (which I can do easily). :getdown:
DO IT!!!
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Post by: AJS on September 05, 2011, 09:23:55 PM
As promised, you are my hero for doing that recording.  And great choice of BGM too. :3

But I'm sorry...I cannot forsake the Dark Lord Byakuren.  She finds your lack of faith........disturbing. BV
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Post by: Zengeku on September 05, 2011, 10:33:23 PM
Awesome audio clip but isn't it supposed to be pronounced more like Daoism?
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Post by: TMiles on September 06, 2011, 12:48:45 AM
Erm, changing a bit the topic in hand...

While I do like Spell Practice, I think it would be better a Boss Practice mode than a Spell Practice. God is it annoying to do the stage many times to perfect the boss x_x.
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Post by: Black Mage on September 06, 2011, 03:59:21 AM
Mononobe no Taoism.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4299736/MotK/Special/Mononobe%20no%20Taoism.mp3)
I was totally caught off guard with the awesomeness of that voice clip. The choice for the background music was just perfect.

Erm, changing a bit the topic in hand...

While I do like Spell Practice, I think it would be better a Boss Practice mode than a Spell Practice. God is it annoying to do the stage many times to perfect the boss x_x.
At least trying to perfect bosses the normal way is enough to put you in "auto-pilot" through the stage.  :V

Boss practice would be convenient, I guess... maybe too convenient.
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Post by: Aba Matindesu! on September 06, 2011, 10:50:53 AM
DO IT!!!
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Post by: Shizzo on September 07, 2011, 04:39:50 PM
Hey guys did you know that you can kill Yoshika during Seiga's nonspells?

I did during her third,
and I utterly regret it.
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Post by: Metaflare on September 07, 2011, 05:07:45 PM
Wait really? What happens?
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Post by: Puffy on September 07, 2011, 06:29:29 PM
Wait really? What happens?

For non spells (needs clarification) she stays dead, however for spells Seiga revives, making your survival chances more lower e.g - during seiga's 3rd spell? i think if you keep killing yoshika, she'll eventually slowly go down, towards you making it harder.
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Post by: Shizzo on September 07, 2011, 06:36:34 PM
During her third nonspell, if you kill Yoshika she makes the knife stream she shoots -much- more dense than how it usually is.
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Post by: Metaflare on September 07, 2011, 06:57:49 PM
Well I knew she could die during spells, but didn't know she could during nonspells.

During her third nonspell, if you kill Yoshika she makes the knife stream she shoots -much- more dense than how it usually is.

And now I know to never do that.
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on September 07, 2011, 10:12:40 PM
During her third nonspell, if you kill Yoshika she makes the knife stream she shoots -much- more dense than how it usually is.
What do you know, this is pretty fun.
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Post by: Mimachiro on September 07, 2011, 11:34:10 PM
You guys try to avoid killing Yoshika? I purposely kill her during spells, so I can get clean shots at Seiga without the shield in the way. Works for me in normal. Haven't tried to Hard or Lunatic, though, so I don't know if that strategy would do me was well.
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Post by: Metaflare on September 08, 2011, 12:00:07 AM
Only during non-spells. She's less in-the-way then. Otherwise she gets full bullet-treatment
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 08, 2011, 04:04:08 AM
Eh, it's probably worth avoiding hitting her during Seiga's first spell, too. At least on Lunatic, I hear that when she revives there it can get real nasty.
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on September 08, 2011, 05:26:56 AM
"Killing" Yoshika during Seiga's spells is so much fun simply because of how she looks when she falls over still looking all happy and waving her arms.
It's like "I'm useful :D"
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Post by: Formless God on September 08, 2011, 06:03:50 AM
>dense knives
>fun

Eh ... the 3rd NS ends faster if you just stay below Seiga. There is no reason to shoot Yoshika at all. In fact, you should only see its retard phase with a) Youmu b) a bomb.

EDIT: Nothing happens in the first two non-spells.

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i think if you keep killing yoshika, she'll eventually slowly go down, towards you making it harder.
No, she constantly approaches you. Kill her, wait for Seiga to go down, shoot Seiga, misdirect, repeat is how you do it.
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Post by: Zengeku on September 08, 2011, 06:54:09 AM
Eh, it's probably worth avoiding hitting her during Seiga's first spell, too. At least on Lunatic, I hear that when she revives there it can get real nasty.

It is. If you shoot Yoshika in Seiga's first card you'll want to move out to the sides to allow more room to dodge. Its basically the non-spell plus Yoshika firing stuff so things can really get in your way. Its pretty fun that way though.
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Post by: GuppyForce on September 08, 2011, 01:09:28 PM
Wait really? What happens?
Super Seiga Knife Rain!

Well, for her third spell. Her first and second nonspells do nothing special when Yoshika dies, and Seiga doesn't even attempt to revive her.

Speaking of killing Yoshika, someone did a pacifist timeout of Seiga's second spell on lunatic. It becomes so difficult without killing Yoshika later on that the video happens to be a TAS run for 15 fps. I wonder if any of our Touhou lunatics would like to try it.
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Post by: TMiles on September 08, 2011, 03:08:40 PM
I only timed the second card on hard without killing yoshika, but that's because I don't have the Lunatic version ready to try.
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Post by: Zengeku on September 08, 2011, 03:16:27 PM
Super Seiga Knife Rain!

Well, for her third spell. Her first and second nonspells do nothing special when Yoshika dies, and Seiga doesn't even attempt to revive her.

Speaking of killing Yoshika, someone did a pacifist timeout of Seiga's second spell on lunatic. It becomes so difficult without killing Yoshika later on that the video happens to be a TAS run for 15 fps. I wonder if any of our Touhou lunatics would like to try it.

You mind linking to that video? I can't find it.
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Post by: Alfred F. Jones on September 08, 2011, 03:32:27 PM
"Killing" Yoshika during Seiga's spells is so much fun simply because of how she looks when she falls over still looking all happy and waving her arms.
It's like "I'm useful :D"
Sounds about right. (http://askyoshika.tumblr.com/post/9136128552/how-does-it-feel-to-be-seigas-meat-shield)
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Post by: Dead Princess Sakana on September 08, 2011, 03:51:10 PM
Sounds about right. (http://askyoshika.tumblr.com/post/9136128552/how-does-it-feel-to-be-seigas-meat-shield)
And this happened before (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/977294) :3

Yoshika is such an easy character to have fun with~
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Post by: GuppyForce on September 08, 2011, 04:54:09 PM
You mind linking to that video? I can't find it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6AQZUFwyYs
I only timed the second card on hard without killing yoshika, but that's because I don't have the Lunatic version ready to try.
Dayum :o
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Post by: TMiles on September 08, 2011, 08:49:12 PM
Testing the card I see it's almost impossible to do it on Lunatic, I only last until 27 seconds.

The hard version was much easier to timeout  :ohdear:

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kVNON9zcw4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kVNON9zcw4) Had to do it in 30 fps, also showed the hard timeout.
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Post by: Zengeku on September 08, 2011, 09:19:14 PM
Ehe.... well, uhmm... Ask Jaimers, I'm not in the mood for kicking little girls in the kidneys right now.  :V
When I first tried to time it out I thought maybe other cards would be ranking up too but I've only seen Yuyuko go nuts like that. I managed to time her out but Seiga here seems to be quite a bit out of my league. Which is something I never expected to be saying.

Oh yeah I know that Mamizou's final is supposed to rank up too but I haven't seen it.
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Post by: Jaimers on September 09, 2011, 09:57:19 AM
Hmm, it's definitely possible seeing as I just got it down to 00.80 seconds.  :V
You'll need some really good reflexes and misdirection skills to do this, although Seiga's random movement can sometimes screw you over.
Will give it a few more attempts later.

Oh yeah I know that Mamizou's final is supposed to rank up too but I haven't seen it.

Wasn't that just the normal final phase that kicks in at the end?
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Post by: Zengeku on September 09, 2011, 07:01:00 PM
Hmm, it's definitely possible seeing as I just got it down to 00.80 seconds.  :V
You'll need some really good reflexes and misdirection skills to do this, although Seiga's random movement can sometimes screw you over.

I thought it would be possible. Didn't feel much like trying for it though.

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Wasn't that just the normal final phase that kicks in at the end?

I dunno, its not like I tried it. The thought about about timing out that card and its ridiculously long timer was enough to cause my PC to shut itself off in boredom. I was told that the attack would have a significant final phase.
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Post by: Jaimers on September 09, 2011, 09:19:11 PM
Okay I got it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdpljFVIAYQ)
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Post by: TMiles on September 09, 2011, 09:34:30 PM
Daaaaaamn, I tried again but it looks like someone did it first  :ohdear:

Holy fuck Sakuya's knife spam is nothing compared to Seiga's!
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Post by: Formless God on September 09, 2011, 09:56:50 PM
(http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/307408_1761978309608_1843603191_1196144_1400157737_n.jpg)

fuck dis shit

It's possible to always stay at the bottom though.
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Post by: J.O.B on September 10, 2011, 01:30:12 AM
Oh yeah I know that Mamizou's final is supposed to rank up too but I haven't seen it.
Actually I think it does.
I just tried timing it out and after the 25 second mark I think it started to get harder as she started shooting faster.
I can upload a replay if wanted (I failed though).
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Post by: Drake on September 10, 2011, 02:42:39 AM
I'm trying to TAS this now but it's fucking curvy lasers and knives and blocking problems so I can't just do whatever I fucking want and I keep dying and it's pissing me off.
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Post by: The Greatest Dog on September 10, 2011, 10:23:28 PM
I just wanna know if/when there's gonna be a vsync patch for this.
I want 90FPS Mamizou already...
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Post by: Savory on September 11, 2011, 12:54:24 AM
Seiga does what Yoshikan't.
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Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on September 11, 2011, 01:02:21 AM
Seiga does what Yoshikan't.

This must become a meme. Like, yesterday.  :getdown:
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Post by: Chronojet ⚙ Dragon on September 11, 2011, 02:45:46 AM
Seiga does what Yoshikan't.

I dun get it.
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Post by: Romantique Tp on September 11, 2011, 03:05:21 AM
I dun get it.

Google "Sega Genesis commercial"
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Post by: Zengeku on September 11, 2011, 10:14:06 AM
Seiga does what Yoshikan't.

So when will the add-ons come? She needs them.
Honestly, Blast Processing just won't hold up to Cell Processing anymore.
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Post by: The Wanderer on November 02, 2011, 01:38:42 AM
If anyone hasn't noticed, the English patch has been out for some time
Just a heads up

<Tengukami> Yeah, there are two threads for it on this site. Also, please don't post in threads more than two weeks old. Thanks!