On a certain fangame project by a certain developer

[Zerviscos]

This is why I steered clear from this thing. I knew something was bad from the start, making a very mediocre game that needed funding that can probably compete against Unreal Tournament 1999.
It's times like this I'm glad to be part of the lighter fanbase of this community.

[Eigerblade]

I still dont understand which privacy law is FSS referencing to regarding the requests to show us the email from Ruw. Kinda hypocritical since he tried to smear bad name on a lot of people by showing people PMs and names publicly..

He said that showing emails or PM is not allowed unless 140 days have passed, or the messages are reworded slightly (hence the edits in that video)

I did a quick search on laws regarding email privacy, and it only states not to disclose emails with sensitive information or if the sender personally requested it not to be disclosed.

I asked which privacy law is he referring to in his FSS' facebook, and he seems to ignore it now. Any of you know if there really is a privacy law like he said, or if it is juat another excuse?

[Romantique Tp]

https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17884.msg1159582.html#msg1159582

He had linked to this page earlier.

[Eigerblade]

That is the site I found as well, but I got a different impression on the law.
Right above the passage quoted by Saijee, it is written that
"Disclosure of contents of e-mail by the recipient is not a crime, unless there were disclosure of classified material to unauthorized persons."
In short, as long as it does not contain any sensitive info, there is no reason for Saijee to be sued. I think Saijee is just using the slightest hint of restriction as an excuse. Where did he get the "140 days limit" and "okay to disclose as long as it is reworded" he stated in the Facebook page anyway?


EDIT: I wonder if Japan has similar laws regarding disclosure of emails
EDIT2: He also said that the email he got is partially in English, so there is minimum chance of misinterpreting

[Pesco]

Any possible misinterpretation is what he wants to continue being a moron.

[Thaws]

Wow... just wow

Haven't ventured into touhou related parts of the forum in a while, but I wouldn't have imagined something of this scale happened.

Hope the negative effect on MotK, members here, and RaNGe are minimized.
The community here is awesome and it's disheartening to see this happening to it.

[Emerald Mint]

Wow... just wow

Haven't ventured into touhou related parts of the forum in a while, but I wouldn't have imagined something of this scale happened.

Hope the negative effect on MotK, members here, and RaNGe are minimized.
The community here is awesome and it's disheartening to see this happening to it.

I say we're still going strong, maybe stronger than ever.

At first I thought the game had some potential, despite a few things I disagreed with. Then came the crowdfunding incident and his attitude, despite how nice everyone was as possible.

Feeling sorry for those who are getting manipulated into the wrong ideas about this incident.

[Flandre5carlet]

It seems the video has been taken down.

[Omegahugger]

Guess again.

He just wanted to clear out the negative comments.

[Flandre5carlet]

Guess again.

He just wanted to clear out the negative comments.

Supposedly a reupload to clear out the names he left in. There's still plenty of names in, though.

[Soul Devour]

I love the disclaimer saying "if you're watching this version, someone other than FSS took the video down".

[Drake]

meanwhile as many people have pointed out if you go to the original link it says "this video has been removed by the user" rather than any notice it would use for an actual takedown

[Miky200]

meanwhile as many people have pointed out if you go to the original link it says "this video has been removed by the user" rather than any notice it would use for an actual takedown

Then he reuploaded it to get rid of negative coments.He should stop oh well.

[Firestorm29]

It seems the video has been taken down.

At first I was hoping he has a realization of what he was doing, guess not... now I'm just hoping someone goes to torpedo his account just to put an end to old yeller here.

[monhan]

I love the disclaimer saying "if you're watching this version, someone other than FSS took the video down".

meanwhile as many people have pointed out if you go to the original link it says "this video has been removed by the user" rather than any notice it would use for an actual takedown

And that makes me start to burst out laughing.

Oh well, let's give it another look.

[Leon゠Helsing]

I'd wonder why he didn't do a fake DMCA takedown considering it should be pretty easy on YT from what I remember, but that would be giving him too much credit at this point. :V

[Tengukami]

Haha oh wow.

Also, pretty safe to say at this point that FSS is following this thread.

[Leon゠Helsing]

Then he really should be aware that he's just digging himself deeper now. :V

[AnonymousPondScum]

This guy is more stubborn than a cockroach.

[Pywackett-Barchetta]

meanwhile as many people have pointed out if you go to the original link it says "this video has been removed by the user" rather than any notice it would use for an actual takedown

I want to say I can't believe they'd do something that pointless.

I want to.

[Savory]

Oh my goodness, are you serious? He couldn't handle the backlash so he reuploaded it?! So instead of actually taking those negative comments into consideration and making a better video to rectify the situation, this is what he'd rather do.

What will reuploading the same crap video accomplish?

[Omegahugger]

Haha. Someone in a reply to the first comment reposted the comments from the previous video. So much for that.

I'm not sure what FSS expects at this point. That nobody knows they're dishonest and that their inflammatory video isn't going to draw an immense amount of negative feedback? I'd really love to know what the plan is here. I'd think anyone trying to succeed as a company/team/whatever would avoid drawing this sort of attention in the first place. Or at the very least put their grievances (imagined or otherwise) in a more constructive form than this.

But they did what they did. And when they had the opportunity to just delete the video and leave this in the past like most of us were ready to do after our initial outrage, they just put it back up with no significant changes. Guys, this was your opportunity to make yourselves at least sound credible by summing up your 25 minutes of hand-biting by "We have our differences with the people who were involved in TSSB and chose to put that period of our game's development behind us." 25 minutes respectfully condensed down into less than 25 seconds!

Well, whatever. Children will be children.

[Suspicious person]

Then he reuploaded it to get rid of negative coments.He should stop oh well.

lol he's gonna have a lot of reuploading to do if he  wants to clean the upcoming negative comment storm, not to mention the dislikes. How desperate, haha.
btw I bet Shinesbright is the one who liked their video

@FSS people lurking on MotK : Guys, stop it, it's pathetic. You have no credibility anymore. Instead of recycling the same crap over and over again, either go on with your new game (lol) or upload an apology video and admit your faults. You're the villains here.

[Flandre5carlet]

btw I bet Shinesbright is the one who liked their video

Or himself-

[Lishy1]

Look, FSS, please stop trying to cover your butts with arrogant PR videos, and just make a simple apology already.

As a former fan, from way before Touhou Smash, this is incredibly painful to watch, and it's really not fair to people who use to support your works.

Bottom line, you pissed off a lot of people. It doesn't matter how strong your argument is, you still upset many people. And you wont leave them alone, because you keep dragging this out.

Just make a simple apology, and be on with it.  Yeesh...

This is like something Sheldon Cooper would do, possibly worse? You're acting like a sociopath.

Keep pushing it, and you might piss off Anonymous. You do not want to piss off Anonymous.  I am giving you friendly advice as a former FSS fan: Don't piss off Anonymous.

[Leon゠Helsing]

Sadly I think it's pretty safe to say he's gone off the deep end.

[Suspicious person]

Little bonus :

MotK has shown to have no problem deleting or altering public posts as they see fit.

Suuuuuuuuuure, Saijee. Suuuuuuure.
Trying to demonize the other party to look like the righteous one ? Why not. They seriously go from immature to downright malicious... Gotta applaud youtube folks for their fast reaction in this one...

Sadly I think it's pretty safe to say he's gone off the deep end.

More like aiming for a new record.

[Eigerblade]

Although all the anons at that /jp/ thread hates what FSS is doing right now, I don't think anonymous will even care about this fiasco.
Seriously though, if they just reuploaded and said that it is to fulfill several requests to remove their names, that would be so much better than saying "our video is taken down by the big bad bullies".

[Daya]

I really hate to make comparisons of this nature, but this is starting to feel like history is repeating itself with the Phil Fish. (I hope this is okay to reference this)

I wanted Tokiko so bad. Maybe with even my RP group's headcanon of an SCP Agent or something (allowable via creative commons).

I can chalk up one thing if they said, 'okay oops' and move on. Ignorance for the most part would have been fine. This is not. I even had to redact my former support with everyone, telling those I said "okay nevermind, don't support these guys, due to x reason" and apologizing profusely.

I feel just dirty from supporting them. I really did, I promoted the ever daylights out of them and had to pass something around to go 'okay here's the posts, here's the problem, read for yourself.'

[Colticide]

I get a feeling they are gonna turn into the devs of Slaughtering grounds, Day one Garrys incident, and The War Z, yes lets censor all negative comments because you don't like them. If I recall they claimed how very important YT comments were to them, well I guess that's a lie because once YT comments started going from praise to criticism we can see what he meant from his YT comment attention. I guess some devs just can't handle negativity, so they actively seek positive comments and try to keep their "fans" on their side to defend them. That's why I hate the word "fan", most people on YouTube who are "fans" just defend the people with out needing to know more because the person they are a "fan" of would never lie to them, right?