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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #150 on: February 06, 2015, 10:54:57 AM »
Just to remind ppl that Doujin is supposed to be self-funded self-published, not crowdfunded.

Comparing Doujin circles during Comiket, and Reitaisai, FSS will have made more money for a very mediocre game.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2015, 10:57:45 AM by En »



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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #151 on: February 06, 2015, 01:52:59 PM »
GS System, a Touhou trading card game project that was crowdfunding via Kickstarter before shutting down following talks with Team Shanghai Alice.
Saijee extensively used this project early on to try and push his own crowdfunding as okay, with potentially made up stories that he "spoke with the people behind the GS System project" and that they gave him a "much different story" than what is written on the Kickstarter, namely the following:



Wow, man one thing i will say about it is that i really liked their artwork on the card!

since that thing seem to have gone down the drain irrevocably, do anyone know if there is still a place where we can get their artworks (preferably the whole character pictures i mean, not the cards themselves)
or buy them??  :derp: i will buy them legit if i can, but i doubt it's possible given that this whole thing is cancelled anyway...

sorry i know it's a bit off topic  :V feel free to delete and answer me in a PM (or not at all xD ) if it's too off topic... :/

Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #152 on: February 06, 2015, 02:44:26 PM »
Finally managed to watch the whole vid... Wow, how lame.

With all this hate he gathered around him, there's a possibility he'll try to pull out a Phil Fish soon, claiming he has been doxxed by MotK or Kourindou members to erase evidence, delete his nansei doujin spirit game data, steal his bank account's informations and publish naked pictures of Shines Bright online.

Except nobody will care or trust him anymore.

PS: Couldn't Shines be his or one of his brothers' girlfriend? That could explain the IP thing.

Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #153 on: February 06, 2015, 02:48:31 PM »

Wow, man one thing i will say about it is that i really liked their artwork on the card!

since that thing seem to have gone down the drain irrevocably, do anyone know if there is still a place where we can get their artworks (preferably the whole character pictures i mean, not the cards themselves)
or buy them??  :derp: i will buy them legit if i can, but i doubt it's possible given that this whole thing is cancelled anyway...

sorry i know it's a bit off topic  :V feel free to delete and answer me in a PM (or not at all xD ) if it's too off topic... :/

One of, if not the only, artist of those pictures is Saito Yukihiro.
I only managed to find some of his Touhou pics on Tumblr, but that's something I guess
http://for-serenity-mod.tumblr.com/post/51583685825/saito-yukihiro-touhou
http://juliechan20.tumblr.com/post/54678063325/saito-yukihiro-touhou

It seems like Saijee is moving on with his Doujin Spirit game, and I don't see any respond to this disastrous video from him. Whatever, I guess, he already said he won't. It'll just be a waste of time to bother him anymore.
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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #154 on: February 06, 2015, 03:28:56 PM »
I just checked out your 2 threads. Holy hell that's a train wreck. I feel like apologizing for your terrible experience. (Though he seems to have mellowed a bit(?))

I truly and deeply appreciate the concern about it. :)


Saijee said he wouldn't comment, yeah. He has closed his end of the debate for good from what I can tell, though every time he claims things are over, THEN THEY AREN'T OVER I DON'T EVEN KNOW *falls off chair*

The girlfriend thing does seem plausible to me.

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #155 on: February 06, 2015, 03:56:17 PM »
Since he's no longer making a Touhou game, do we still need to care about him?

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #156 on: February 06, 2015, 03:59:24 PM »
I can only hope that if they do get done with the game that it will be in good taste. (Aside from the name) still not sure if he is gonna try and teach people about doujin in his story mode, and I pray he leaves us out of it.

Isn't there something law-like for slander if its in a game that's pretty clear who it is?
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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #157 on: February 06, 2015, 04:04:03 PM »
Since he's no longer making a Touhou game, do we still need to care about him?
So long as he doesn't get involved with Touhou, then the appropriate and reasonable answer is "NO". It's another thing if he goes on the offensive again (It'll be trollbait though, it's not worth your time).

As for the new game he is developing, paying him attention or not is your choice and yours alone.
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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #158 on: February 06, 2015, 04:28:17 PM »
Is it you the person that posted it on facebook
Or is it a mod of ours? The way of writing sounds like it comes from the guy who banned the perpetrators of this incident yo
Coming from the touhou fanpage
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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #159 on: February 06, 2015, 04:37:56 PM »
Sigh. Their new video for NS Doujin Spirit has them talking about wanting to add indie characters if they can. Doujin spirit... indie characters. Not sure if he really understands words.
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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #160 on: February 06, 2015, 04:51:18 PM »
I can only hope that if they do get done with the game that it will be in good taste. (Aside from the name) still not sure if he is gonna try and teach people about doujin in his story mode, and I pray he leaves us out of it.
If they are going to make the game educationnal about what doujin culture is, then it becomes pretty hard to picture how things'll turn out. There are educational games that are legitimately good, but some are fairly awkward. The only other game that uses the mechanics of another game and tries to be educationnal (like in their case, I presume) that first comes to my mind would be an m&m's (?!) game that-somehow-involves-mathematics (?!!!!) of questionable quality (see for yourself) : it's... weird. To be honest, I can't picture how they'll make a fighting game that is also educationnal, especially if it's about a theme they misunderstood. I'm not gonna say it'll turn good or bad, I ain't no prophet, but there are seriously better options than this IMO. I'm still curious about how it'll turn out, though.

Isn't there something law-like for slander if its in a game that's pretty clear who it is?
Not sure if I understood your question or not, but long thing short, there are no problems with references, parodies, "hommages" and the likes : They are pretty much making Sakuyas out of Dio Brandos here (bear with this until you get a technical answer from someone else). And as far as the use of characters from other franchises go, quite frankly, if they get into some trouble again we don't have to get involved, it'll be their own problem.
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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #161 on: February 06, 2015, 04:55:47 PM »
Not sure if he really understands words.
That's it. That's the thread, right there.

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #162 on: February 06, 2015, 05:00:39 PM »
I highly doubt you should be worried about his "educational game". It is obviously a bitter hatred idea to trollbait, nothing else. Nobody is going to take him serious any more after what has happened. The only ones remaining are the heel-licking and misinformed fans. And it is their own choice eventually, not our responsibility any more. We're not going to go around policing the internet and lowering ourselves to his level. His video was a huge mud fling, and now he is sheltering in a bunker. It doesn't matter any more what he does from this point on. We're done with their childish acts, that video was the final straw and we've taken the required actions against it.

We've already locked down his accounts + his thread. He is simply not welcome any more. And Helvetica's announcement on the front page is our message to the eastern and western fans. Ruw-san has been informed also through multiple ways, we can't do much else than highlight.

We don't need to deal with his ignorance any more in the Touhou fandom. He will never be able to return to it after this reputation damage. Which is a good thing anyway, he wasn't a Doujin developer with a doujin mindset to begin with.

I wouldn't be worried too much, of course personal disapprovals are being shared here too.
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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #163 on: February 06, 2015, 06:33:00 PM »
Is it you the person that posted it on facebook
Or is it a mod of ours? The way of writing sounds like it comes from the guy who banned the perpetrators of this incident yo
Coming from the touhou fanpage
Sorry I am late; didn't notice your post, sorry and howdy '3'
I was the one who post it onto FB... I am just a lurker here on this forum who likes going around reporting stuffs from both sides and repost it without context to warp the truths fitting to my personal agenda
*sarcasm*

Anyhow, aside from that, it seems like this isn't exactly the forum issue; but MoTk's Flandre5carlet and my personal facebook account has been repeatedly reported by an anonymous just a few hours ago (Flandre got 18 reports; I've got 4). The reporter go through our entire profile from the past and mark any picture that can be interpret as inappropriate for facebook in the loosest of senses (for my case) and random pictures in general (for Flandre's case)
While I am not sure who else was reported aside from us... but what I can say is that both facebook account does bear a presence quite prominently in *that video* and we also frequent FSS facebook page to give our 2cents
...while I am not exactly making any allegations here... it could be just a coincidence both of our accounts got spam reported at the same time; or it could just be some fervent supporters of a certain indie circle watched the video and decide to play vigilante... or it could be...
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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #164 on: February 06, 2015, 06:57:47 PM »
Tl;dw videos as arguments, doxxing, harrassment... it's like I'm expecting to hear any minute something like "actually it's about ethics in game journalism doujin works".

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #165 on: February 06, 2015, 07:03:18 PM »
MoTk's Flandre5carlet and my personal facebook account has been repeatedly reported by an anonymous just a few hours ago (Flandre got 18 reports; I've got 4).

Can confirm. In total, I got 23 pictures reported at random for "nudity or pornography", none of which could ever possibly fall under those conditions.

They also reported two pictures of my cat for... "promoting graphic violence."

While I'm not saying that there is any link with this, I do find it weird that it happened both to Paz and I at the same time, considering both of us have appeared in the video, as well as relatively often discussing this matter on FSS and the Touhou pages. With that said, this is a bit off topic, I reckon.

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #166 on: February 06, 2015, 07:14:59 PM »
I dunno, encouraging attacks on MotK members isn't that off topic if that's what is going on. Btw, what do those FB reports actually do?

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #167 on: February 06, 2015, 07:17:58 PM »
If the stuff is deemed inappropriate you can get flagged and blocked from posting on FB for some time and sometimes your account completely blocked.


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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #168 on: February 06, 2015, 07:18:51 PM »
If for whatever reason your pictures do get removed because the stuff is deemed inappropriate by whomever reviewed the report, then you can get post blocked for a period of time; at worst, your account may also get entirely disabled in the case of repeated offense. So mass reporting in such a fashion is an effort to try and get someone deleted.
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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #169 on: February 06, 2015, 07:20:55 PM »
Ah, so the reports are actually reviewed rather than beong blind and just take action blindly. That's good to hear.

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #170 on: February 06, 2015, 07:29:49 PM »
Ah, so the reports are actually reviewed rather than beong blind and just take action blindly. That's good to hear.

Lol so its better than YouTube at least.
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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #171 on: February 06, 2015, 07:30:46 PM »
Ah, so the reports are actually reviewed rather than beong blind and just take action blindly. That's good to hear.
There's a lot of double standards though (like allowing beheading videos but banning pictures of women breastfeeding :v). Still it's mostly a manual review process.


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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #172 on: February 06, 2015, 07:31:22 PM »
Quote
it's like I'm expecting to hear any minute something like "actually it's about ethics in game journalism doujin works".


All this talk of people attacking one-another's FaceBook accounts over their video is sad. Can FaceBook take action against someone who spams fake reports? I hope so. The comments on their video make it sound like the remaining people are just eating out of their hand and unwilling to consider any perspective other than FSS's. Obviously they don't represent the WTC and aren't worth worrying over but the backlash is pretty disgusting behavior on their part.....

I wish Paz and Flandre luck with this. You guys don't deserve this crap. =/

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #173 on: February 06, 2015, 07:33:50 PM »
No worries, none of the reports went through anyway, so no harm done. At least so far.

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #174 on: February 06, 2015, 07:46:22 PM »
There's a lot of double standards though (like allowing beheading videos but banning pictures of women breastfeeding :v). Still it's mostly a manual review process.
Ah, the line between free speech and obscene is very blurry indeed.

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #175 on: February 06, 2015, 08:12:21 PM »
The dude who reported the cat picture was obviously a dog person  :V (that or the internet standards went pretty damn high)

It's really cute that someone wants to play Zorro, but Anon needs to realize that he doesn't make anything better but make FSS and their supporters look even worse...  anyway, if Anon's reports are fruitless, then that's that. Case closed. I am not sure if Zorro roleplayers who went the wrong way are trolls or not, but Anon sure ain't any better.

Next troublemaker, come in  :V

There's a lot of double standards though (like allowing beheading videos but banning pictures of women breastfeeding :v). Still it's mostly a manual review process.
Perhaps educational and cultural assets are taken into account in this ? I believe "faces of death", which showcase death in pretty much every angle and without censorship, is AVAILABLE ON YOUTUBE WITHOUT AGE RESTRICTION (friendly warning : don't be curious about this, I only took it as an example) but mainly because it's a documentary. That or some videos were simply NOT reported.
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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #176 on: February 06, 2015, 10:11:09 PM »
The dude who reported the cat picture was obviously a dog person  :V (that or the internet standards went pretty damn high)

Perhaps educational and cultural assets are taken into account in this ? I believe "faces of death", which showcase death in pretty much every angle and without censorship, is AVAILABLE ON YOUTUBE WITHOUT AGE RESTRICTION (friendly warning : don't be curious about this, I only took it as an example) but mainly because it's a documentary. That or some videos were simply NOT reported.

Now that's just really petty now. Reporting pictures for no reason.

Also, I can confirm that videos of death are indeed allowed on YouTube. Uh, let's just say I saw someone accidently kill themself doing parcore [?] (It was a fails video, and it showcased a gif that I saw before and knew that the person was dead, but it isn't apparent),  and another case of Taliban executions. (This was an 'educational' video) Also 'sex' education videos are allowed on YouTube. So yeah...

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #177 on: February 06, 2015, 10:16:43 PM »
I always thought those execution videos were covered under concepts of freedom of expression of religion.

It's the only thing that kept it from being obscene in legal definition.

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Re: On a certain fangame project by a certain developer
« Reply #178 on: February 06, 2015, 10:24:20 PM »
That's an argument for a different thread (which I don't mind having), but a lot of that has to do with how Americans have a backwards view on the obscenity of violence vs the obscenity of the human body.


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