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Title: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: SuperParadox on October 19, 2011, 08:21:09 AM
While being a fan of the Touhou series has there ever been that one thing that really turned you off? If you do share stories!

For example, something that almost ruins the experience for me is what I call "Touhou weeaboos" y'know like a vocaloid weaboo... but touhou. Their just awfully annoying to me. You usually find them on DeviantArt  (Man I hate that site). Another one is an attention whore-weeaboo at my school. As soon as she knew what Touhou was a part of me died. She also tried to claim to play the games, but ask her witch one she plays and she can't say.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Tengukami on October 19, 2011, 08:24:44 AM
Can't really say anything has almost ruined Touhou for me. Individual fans aren't going to do it, and sites I don't like I just don't visit.

It's like, OK, if I found out Hitler loved him some fried chicken, am I going to stop eating it? Hell no, I'll be like, "Well, +1 for Hitler, I guess."
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: SuperParadox on October 19, 2011, 08:42:01 AM
Haha true.
I gotta say I'm probably just full of alot of anger and hatred. Now I wouldin't stop playing the games for shure. I've just kinda turned away from that part of the fan base (It happens to me with every game)  and I stopped telling people about the game because of it.

Maybe I just need to stop making people ruin things for me so easily...
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Tengukami on October 19, 2011, 08:58:30 AM
Oh, dude, trust me - there's plenty about the fanbase to dislike, no doubt about it. Fortunately, most of the fans I have a problem with are all concentrated on a couple sites. I don't know anyone IRL who even knows what Touhou is, so I can't speak to the frustration of some asshat in my school suddenly liking it. I have reacted the way you have about people I don't like suddenly liking the same bands I do, though, and for like, a split second it'll make me question my own tastes. So I do get it.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Nyarly on October 19, 2011, 10:39:56 AM
I have no idea what could possible ruin Touhou for me. If it were just stupid fans, then I wouldn't like anything at all.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: HakureiSM on October 19, 2011, 11:30:26 AM
Sanae.

If it were just stupid fans, then I wouldn't like anything at all.
P much
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: CrimsonDX on October 19, 2011, 01:12:27 PM
There is absolutely nothing that could ever make me hate any of the things I like.

Even if it was possible, given my completely laid back nature, even the most hated memes and fanisms don't even phase me and at times I even enjoy them. (ran ran ruuu~).

Even should the person I hate most in the world like something I like, it wouldn't even phase me in the least.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: ふねん1 on October 19, 2011, 01:24:24 PM
Not really. I'm primarily a Touhou gamer, so I don't spend as much time with fan-based stuff as others and thus can avoid the stupid fans pretty easily. Regarding the games themselves, theoretically I only need one game to keep me hooked, and of course I like a bunch of them.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Yukarin on October 19, 2011, 03:45:01 PM
Parents.

Case in point.

Dad: WHY DO YOU HAVE A GIRL AS YOUR WALLPAPER ARE YOU TURNING GAY?
Me: ...

Damn stereotypes. Still goes on right now.

Also seconding the touhou weeaboos.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Unassuming Squid on October 19, 2011, 04:13:49 PM
I don't think anything could ruin Touhou itself for me. I have a very, very deep and personal relationship with the games and the world.

The fanbase does get questionable or downright incorrigible at times, but then again, when isn't that the case for a fandom? In the end, I can just ignore the things I don't like (NOBODY CAN JUST BE FRIENDS EVERYONE WANTS TO BONE EACH OTHER) and focus on the things I do like (well thought out theories and concepts).
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: DarkslimeZ on October 19, 2011, 04:56:26 PM
Dad: WHY DO YOU HAVE A GIRL AS YOUR WALLPAPER ARE YOU TURNING GAY?
Me: ...

I don't

what

that doesn't even make sense

Also, my stance is about the same as everyone here. I still like old stuff like Guren Lagann too; even though those kinds of fanbases do ruin things for a lot of people; even a couple of friends have been turned off.

Weaklings.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: shurcle on October 19, 2011, 05:57:00 PM
Badly written fan fiction.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Marin The Magus on October 19, 2011, 06:14:02 PM
Badly written fan fiction.
This, mainly. I can't really say anything about the weaboo's cause I was one of them, and it wouldn't be right.
One thing that does disturb me, but wouldn't drive me away from touhou, is the massive quantity of "anon penises" raping the girls, or the gore-erotic pictures, or the weird positions; things like that. Then again, this would never ruin touhou for me. Tough one, Danbooru, though that's not enough to beat me  :dealwithit:
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Bias Bus on October 19, 2011, 06:14:51 PM
Quote from: lol wikipedia
Yuri (百合), also known by the wasei-eigo construction Girls' Love (ガールズラブ, gāruzu rabu?), is a Japanese jargon term for content and a genre involving love between women in manga, anime, and related Japanese media.

You see that up there? Yeah, that. That almost ruined it for me.

That and the many asinine pairings.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on October 19, 2011, 06:16:27 PM
Koishi being obssessed with penises.
Sanae/Aya/whoever being a slut.

There are surely more buried in the past, but I'd like to keep them buried, thank you very much.

Oh, and on the gameplay side of things, "easy mode is for kindergarteners!" As well as those people who think that lunatic is the only true difficulty / all that matters / supposed to be possible for everyone. Hiss.
Title: Has anything almost ruined Touhou for you?
Post by: Tengukami on October 19, 2011, 06:28:48 PM
Quote
fan fiction
Man, I don't know what you guys are smoking. Fan fiction improves Touhou, especially the truly awful fan fiction. I should know, I've written plenty of bad fan fiction. Plus it's great for dramatic readings.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined Touhou for you?
Post by: Marin The Magus on October 19, 2011, 06:31:06 PM
Man, I don't know what you guys are smoking. Fan fiction improves Touhou, especially the truly awful fan fiction. I should know, I've written plenty of bad fan fiction. Plus it's great for dramatic readings.
I want to say that actually, I meant the fictions that are only 4 leters long. I don't even mind cliches, memes, or anything like that when it comes to fan fics. But people, it IS okay to write more than a setence per chapter ;_;
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined Touhou for you?
Post by: nintendonut888 on October 19, 2011, 06:45:17 PM
I want to say that actually, I meant the fictions that are only 4 leters long. I don't even mind cliches, memes, or anything like that when it comes to fan fics. But people, it IS okay to write more than a setence per chapter ;_;

Quote from: Purvis
"Hey Dai," Wriggle asks, "How long has Cirno been in the freezer?"
"Couple hours," says Daiyousei.
"Those things are air tight, you know."

Disproven. 8)

Anyway, me? If anything it's the isolated fate of the lunatic player. Truth be told it's very annoying when you spend weeks on an accomplishment and people are all "wait you haven't done that yet?" :/
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: チソウ タイゼン on October 19, 2011, 06:50:25 PM
I think my inability to play the games well is ruining it for me :V

I don't

what

that doesn't even make sense

>Stop playing games with girls!
>Stop talking about girls!
>Stop hanging out primarily with girls!
>You are turning gay!

 :derp:
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined Touhou for you?
Post by: DX7.EP on October 19, 2011, 06:54:47 PM
Man, I don't know what you guys are smoking. Fan fiction improves Touhou, especially the truly awful fan fiction. I should know, I've written plenty of bad fan fiction. Plus it's great for dramatic readings.
So, we should go all Half-Life: Full Life Consequences (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHxyZaZlaOs) on them?

Gameplay-wise, the MOF/SA/UFO continue systems are just rage-inducing at times. I elect to continue, and I'm severely low on resources (especially later on in game). I restart the game, and hooray, I have to run the whole damn thing again. It seems as if the game wants me to 1cc it before I can play it like an arcade game (the first time, just beat the game regardless of how well I do or how many credits I take, then improve it as a whole in subsequent runs). The supporters of the restarting mechanism (mostly from the competitive Lunatic camp) don't really help there.

As far as fandom is concerned, there are quite a few but others have covered it well enough.

Lastly I would add ZUN's stern refusal to sell the games outside traditional doujin channels as a critical souring point. It seems that (A) the success of Recettear, Chantelise, and the Gundemonium series on Steam after export to western markets has completely bypassed him; (B) he is further unaware of the changing market trends in terms of indie and doujin games, especially in NA, EU, and AU; and/or (C) the stubborn Japanese island syndrome has affected his view on the issue, which led some western fans to conclude he is a xenophobe.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: shurcle on October 19, 2011, 07:02:58 PM
Man, I don't know what you guys are smoking. Fan fiction improves Touhou, especially the truly awful fan fiction. I should know, I've written plenty of bad fan fiction. Plus it's great for dramatic readings.
Bad as in the writing itself is bad, not the story.
It's really hard to enjoy when it's written in such a strange manner that I can't understand what is going on.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined Touhou for you?
Post by: Iryan on October 19, 2011, 07:58:34 PM
If you hate fanfics, don't read em. 's what I do, with very few exceptions, and it has served me well. It is not like anybody is forcing you to.   :derp:

However...

Plus it's great for dramatic readings.
Precisely.

On that note, we oughta do that again some time.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: shurcle on October 19, 2011, 08:10:25 PM
If you hate fanfics, don't read em. 's what I do, with very few exceptions, and it has served me well. It is not like anybody is forcing you to.   :derp:
I don't hate them, I just haven't found the joy of bad fan fiction yet.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Iryan on October 19, 2011, 08:23:29 PM
I don't hate them, I just haven't found the joy of bad fan fiction yet.
In that case, this video seems like a good start. (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/the-sage/fanfic-theatre/5321-episode-3-halo-halos-in-space)
Don't worry, it isn't touhou.  :3
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Formless God on October 19, 2011, 08:25:12 PM
Reworded.

The entire fucking fanbase and their produces. That includes memes, fanon theories, and yukkuris.
trance (trance works everywhere else, except here) on second thought, no, I misread what the OP meant

>ruin
Not in the sense of making me 'hate' it, but it did make me question the quality of the whole thing in general.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Nyarly on October 19, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
I never understood how the fanbase and fan works could "ruin" something. I can stand quite a lot of stupidity and rather appreciate the good stuff than let the bad get on me. If the fans are too unbearable (like I did with the Final Fantasy fanbase, which is... completely awful to put it in a nice way) then I just turn my back on the fanbase, but that wouldn't harm my enjoyment of the actual work in question.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Nyyl on October 19, 2011, 08:49:35 PM
i used to be discouraged by a lot of drama that occurs among groups of fans, but eventually i realized that letting other people get me down about things i like is pointless. other than that, nothing has really made me dislike touhou
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Chronojet ⚙ Dragon on October 19, 2011, 09:09:08 PM
The memes. Like CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE(ry
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Formless God on October 19, 2011, 09:21:17 PM
The memes. Like CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE(ry
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/2807/fuckchen.png
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Chronojet ⚙ Dragon on October 19, 2011, 09:23:31 PM
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/2807/fuckchen.png

x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Iryan on October 19, 2011, 09:31:33 PM
x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3 x3
is that 3^56, or is it a row of (>w<) emoticons?

/me is shot clawed to death
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Gramity on October 19, 2011, 09:40:35 PM
probably my lack of skill at the game but that's not so bothering

at one time I was upset about fanbase but then again if I don't like it I don't approve it as part of that character (ex: aya being a slut) so I don't pay attention at all.

Yuri well....depend on how aggessive it gets D:


Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Valantus on October 19, 2011, 10:59:29 PM
A few months ago, most of the fanbase ruined almost Touhou for me, I really couldn't stand the idiots >.>

But now I just simply ignore them, don't read their horrible fanfics, or don't read their horrible horrible RP posts (you can't believe how terrible some of those RP posts are (in other sites, haven't read any here)). So hopefully, nothing can ruin Touhou for me now.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Mimachiro on October 19, 2011, 11:04:04 PM
I like Touhou, why would I let something ruin it for me? If my like of Touhou could be ruined by something, then it just means I didn't like it all that well. There's always going to be part of the fanbase that seems like they're dedicated to ruining it for everyone else, but who cares about them, right? Let them suffer in their own pot of misery, I'm having fun with the world of Gensokyo and the people that populate it. :3
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Paper Conan on October 19, 2011, 11:09:51 PM
Parents.

Case in point.

Dad: WHY DO YOU HAVE A GIRL AS YOUR WALLPAPER ARE YOU TURNING GAY?
Me: ...

Damn stereotypes. Still goes on right now.

Also seconding the touhou weeaboos.

This actually happened to me last year. I feel for you... ;-;
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Aquila on October 19, 2011, 11:51:11 PM
"Ruin" Wouldn't be right word for me to use...
Not in the sense of making me 'hate' it, but it did make me question the quality of the whole thing in general.
- *Almost everything already listed* (Bar the Yuri part, I think a little mutual love here and there makes it interesting, not "ALRIGHT! INCIDENT'S OVER!!! LET'S FUCK!!!")
- Yukkuris; Sorry, I just don't think I can get used to them... And their voices... Stuff of nightmares D:
- Faceless anon rape, all of it. Yeah, that can be put in the "Ruin" secton
- Various memes e.g. Tenshi and Koishi, And Iku apparently only being good for doing that stupid pose, Remilia's pathetic "Uuu~" identity
- The fact that being a guy obsessed with Touhou makes said guy homosexual. What is this I don't even...
- Weeaboos...
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: VIVItheFujoshi on October 20, 2011, 12:20:04 AM
I never understood how the fanbase and fan works could "ruin" something. I can stand quite a lot of stupidity and rather appreciate the good stuff than let the bad get on me. If the fans are too unbearable (like I did with the Final Fantasy fanbase, which is... completely awful to put it in a nice way) then I just turn my back on the fanbase, but that wouldn't harm my enjoyment of the actual work in question.
i know one at least one "fandom" who ended going TOO FAR.
Old Beatlemania. an ex fan ended killing one of them.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Bias Bus on October 20, 2011, 12:26:32 AM
Diarrhea of a meme
Oh right, this shit too.

Thanks for reminding me, I almost forgot.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Gpop on October 20, 2011, 12:33:07 AM
Koishi being obssessed with penises.

MA'AM I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT-

...

...I'll have to agree with you. I rather like her to be known as the happy-go-lucky, mind-raping, random girl of hilarity, not a dick-loving loli :(

Other than that...nothing else really. Especially the fact on how many people accept touhou in general on the internet (for the most part). Yeah sure...memes may get annoying, but it's nice to know that it's popular enough that it can generate so many memes for a single game series :V
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Drake on October 20, 2011, 12:43:37 AM
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/2807/fuckchen.png
i'm still amused by the fact that i have the only sane comments in there
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Chronojet ⚙ Dragon on October 20, 2011, 01:17:21 AM
i'm still amused by the fact that i have the only sane comments in there

anything other than Drake is synonymous with insanity.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Skyler on October 20, 2011, 01:41:00 AM
There are several things that annoy me but nothing that has almost made me stop playing the games.
I like a lot of the fanbase but some of it is just infuriating to see:
Suppatenko
Koishi's obsession as mentioned above
Weight gain pictures get an honourable mention. I can't really explain why they annoy me, they just do.


I love reading fanfiction though, as long as it's not horribly written.


Also it saddens me that no one who I know in real life actually plays the games. I have a couple of friends who introduced me to Touhou but they've never played anything to do with it so I can't really talk to them properly about it >>
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Bias Bus on October 20, 2011, 01:56:05 AM
Weight gain pictures get an honourable mention. I can't really explain why they annoy me, they just do.
You...might want to stay far away from whatever I draw. Just sayin' :V
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: ふとくていなねこじょおう on October 20, 2011, 02:02:11 AM
You...might want to stay far away from whatever I draw. Just sayin' :V

I was going to say i but you beat me to it.  :V
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Tengukami on October 20, 2011, 03:23:21 AM
i know one at least one "fandom" who ended going TOO FAR.
Old Beatlemania. an ex fan ended killing one of them.

Well, he was an ex-fan, as you say. And you know, a paranoid schizophrenic. I mean it's not like Charles Manson ruined the White Album for me.

Anyway, on topic: I just realized that I think Chen is one of my least favorite characters in Gensokyo in large part because of the shrieking of her name in fandom. Or maybe because that shriek just encapsulates everything I already disliked about her, I can't tell. But as I never liked her in the first place, I guess it doesn't really count.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Unassuming Squid on October 20, 2011, 04:08:56 AM
- The fact that being a guy obsessed with Touhou makes said guy homosexual. What is this I don't even...

Or a pedophile.

Which goes back to the "YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THIS CHARACTER THEREFORE YOU WANT TO BONE THEM" issue that I dislike about rampant yuri in Touhou.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Bias Bus on October 20, 2011, 04:37:18 AM
Or a pedophile.

Which goes back to the "YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THIS CHARACTER THEREFORE YOU WANT TO BONE THEM" issue that I dislike about rampant yuri in Touhou.
Finally someone else sees it.

It's like Ruro said a while ago, about people seeming to forget that Touhous can be 'just friends' without it devlolving into "lolyurieverywhere" bullshit. But, I guess fans have their heads too far up their ass to notice :V
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: VIVItheFujoshi on October 20, 2011, 04:49:44 AM
hatedom. that no ruin Touhou, but make me sad. In really hatedom in all the fandoms who i am or was. Make you feel like a kind of paria only for like something.

Which goes back to the "YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THIS CHARACTER THEREFORE YOU WANT TO BONE THEM" issue that I dislike about rampant yuri in Touhou.
or hentai. or even yaoi. ah, true, almost no exist yaoi in Touhou. (feel a bit  :blush: ) but at least i never forget who in Touhou, no exist any love pairing. NO EXCEPCIONS.
edit: and recently discover how i like Touhou. I began to do little papercrafts. First, i said, i think to  do 5...but now i have 46. And is because "no, wait, i like this character too! i must do it! how i can forget her (or him)...now doing Aya and Mystia.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Nyarly on October 20, 2011, 05:31:35 AM
Which goes back to the "YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THIS CHARACTER THEREFORE YOU WANT TO BONE THEM" issue that I dislike about rampant yuri in Touhou.
Unless the person in question is female, that makes no sense. Hell, even in that case it barely makes sense.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: vctrz on October 20, 2011, 05:39:02 AM
The only thing that (slightly) depresses me is my skill at the games. Despite playing them for a very long time, I'm pretty bad at them. I've learned to accept that, though. As for fanmade content, I can tolerate anything, and actually enjoy most of it. I'm pretty impartial to most pairings, so I don't mind anything in that regard. And the way other Touho fans behave is probably the last thing I care about.

Oh yes, there is one thing: Touhou internet memes. Although they have no effect on my liking for Touhou in general, I simply cannot stand them.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Nyarly on October 20, 2011, 07:33:48 AM
It's like Ruro said a while ago, about people seeming to forget that Touhous can be 'just friends' without it devlolving into "lolyurieverywhere" bullshit.
Well, as much as I like yuri, I certainly don't forget that.

Actually, considering that the characters are mostly... not the most sympathetic bunch (more directly, they are mostly horrible people and the characters that aren't suffer under the horrible ones), even friendship seems quite much for many of them. Reimu strikes me as someone who merely tolerates other people/youkai instead of genuinely liking them. And even then only because she is rather apathetic towards others and doesn't really holds grudges.

Really, I can't help but see genuinely affection between the characters as fanwankery in general, even when it appears in official mangas (it's questionable how much control ZUN takes over them anyway). Romantic feelings more, of course, but also friendship. However, that goes for other way too. Nobody really seems to hate each other.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Angelfire on October 20, 2011, 11:28:08 AM
Crack Pairings:
I can deal with the yuri, but crack pairings are annoying. If you're going to do yuri, at least try to make the pairing make sense. Please and thank you. Very few things annoy me more than a cheesy crack pairing.

Guro/BDSM
OH I REMEBER THIS. I remember how much I hate this. I hate it with a passion. The ONLY characters I don't mind doing the latter of those two is Yuuka/Tenshi, mainly because it makes sense. (See crack pairing beef above)

Memes:
Some memes I don't mind, especially when they are done well. The problem is they are rarely if ever done well. So yeah, you can understand my general dislike of memes.

Koishis 'obsession'
No, don't feel like going into detail. So I won't. Because I probably don't need to. I like my Koishi as a happy-go-lucky serial mind rapist. Thank you and good night errybody.

Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Tengukami on October 20, 2011, 12:35:28 PM
The problem isn't the yuri, though. The problem is, most people don't know how to write erotica of any sort. If you go to sites like Literotica (which is, it should go without saying, NSFW) - supposedly the cream of the crop in erotic fiction - you will still find a lot of stories where the plot is used as an afterthought, to prop up a clumsy, protracted sex scene that amounts to "Character X put Body Part Y in Character Z" over and over, culminating in some rushed ending. Good erotica cares about the basic principles of good fiction first and foremost: that the writer make us care about the characters, that the story compels us to keep reading, that we are left feeling time was well spent. The sex scenes in good erotica put more attention to the thoughts and feelings, both emotional and physical, of the characters involved than it does to what their bodies are doing.

Touhou yuri is no exception. Much of it is very, very bad. But there is some good Touhou erotica (I gave it a shot (http://tengukami.blogspot.com/2010/02/permission.html) once). Some of the vehemently anti-yuri folks seem to be so because they love their characters so much that they don't want to see them in sexual situations. And I can understand that, and all, I just think that when people say they dislike yuri, most of the time it's not because it's yuri; it's because much erotica out there is, simply, badly written.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Vyrien on October 20, 2011, 01:24:38 PM
Koishi Komeiji's Heart Throbbing Adventure.

I couldn't play through SA and look at it the same way for a month or so afterwards and in EoSD
oh god Koakuma, why do you have two tongues?
So it didn't ruin it for me as such as people are complaining about yuri and terrible fans, but it did make me see the entire thing in a new light. Worse, I eventually came to like KKHTA and I can't help but feel a little unclean.

*scrubscrubscrub*

Some of the vehemently anti-yuri folks seem to be so because they love their characters so much that they don't want to see them in sexual situations. And I can understand that, and all, I just think that when people say they dislike yuri, most of the time it's not because it's yuri; it's because much erotica out there is, simply, badly written.

Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: チソウ タイゼン on October 20, 2011, 01:28:43 PM
Ahahaha.
It's funny, what with all this mention of yuri and all that :I

There isn't really anything like that that ruins the series for me, mainly because I don't seek it out :V

why would all of you
okay maybe the one only pairing that I enjoy is marisa/alice go away
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: DarkslimeZ on October 20, 2011, 01:48:47 PM
It's funny that a lot of what people have said have almost ruined Touhou for them are things they don't even have to subject themselves to.

The great part about Touhou is that the characters and world are so loosely defined that there is absolutely no problem with having your own, individual outlook and perspective on them. You don't even have to so much as touch the fanbase to do this. To each their own. I, for one, do enjoy the occasional yuri pairing and doujinshi; but that's my private business and my private tastes, and really doesn't have anything to do with who I consider the characters to really be. Seems like there's just a lot of "the porn ruins it for me", but seriously, rule 34, internet, deal with it. Toughen up. I don't particularly appreciate anon penises everywhere in my art of nekkid Touhous, but I have enough sense to just pass over it and ignore it.

Also, there's always Safebooru. Give it a shot. It could change your world!
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Unassuming Squid on October 21, 2011, 02:32:47 PM
Some of the vehemently anti-yuri folks seem to be so because they love their characters so much that they don't want to see them in sexual situations. And I can understand that, and all, I just think that when people say they dislike yuri, most of the time it's not because it's yuri; it's because much erotica out there is, simply, badly written.

For the record, this isn't my position on the matter, as I'm perfectly fine with seeing the characters in sexual situations
and I admit to seeking them out at times
. I dislike Touhou yuri (which I am using in this sense to refer to any romantic pairing between the Touhou cast, sexual or otherwise) for the reason I stated earlier: it seems to completely disregard what I consider to be the more likely possibilities of strong friendship, or devotion, or hell, even outright hatred sometimes. It reminds me of the middle-school concept of "if you sit next to this person, you have a crush on them" that I absolutely loathe, and the reasons for most pairings are about as sturdy as that.

Someone once told me to look at the dialogue between Marisa and Alice in Imperishable Night to prove to me that they were in love. I read it, and the first thing I realized was that I have conversations like that with my best friend IRL all the time. So either I'm suddenly homosexual, which I know I'm not, or this person was completely mistaken. Similarly, people have told me that I must be crazy to think that Sakuya doesn't want to get in Remilia's bloomers or Utsuho and Rin for Satori in a similar manner, because there's no way anyone could be so devoted to someone without loving them.

It annoys me to no end as the huge range of possible relationships are ignored in favor of the cliche yuri option. Relationships are often complicated, and there are many different kinds and degrees of love; the love of best friends, the love of a pet and a master, the love of a mother and daughter, or combinations of those. To see the potential complexity in Touhou be devolved into generic romance on the basis of what I feel are shallow reasons or outright lack of observation and examination is something I feel strongly opposed to.

Still, even then, as I stated in another topic, this isn't going to ruin Touhou for me at all. I have my Gensokyo, you have yours, everyone's happy. It's just a part of the fandom that irks me, but we all have something about it that does that. Someone probably hates my mindset on the matter, and they're entitled to that opinion.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Tengukami on October 21, 2011, 02:47:12 PM
It annoys me to no end as the huge range of possible relationships are ignored in favor of the cliche yuri option. Relationships are often complicated, and there are many different kinds and degrees of love; the love of best friends, the love of a pet and a master, the love of a mother and daughter, or combinations of those. To see the potential complexity in Touhou be devolved into generic romance on the basis of what I feel are shallow reasons or outright lack of observation and examination is something I feel strongly opposed to.

Yeah, like I said: bad writing. Generic anything in writing sucks. I fully appreciate this. Unfortunately, let's face it - fan fictions writers are usually untrained, and so they fall back on writing templates. So whether it's combat, comedy, adventure, or erotica, it's going to read flat and clich?d.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on October 22, 2011, 05:27:13 PM
Regarding the yuri, I love girls kissing each other and have less than zero problem with that (by all means go ahead), but I do dislike the notion that that romantic love has to be the only facet of their personalities we see. It leads to all kinds of nasty implications: the idea that these aren't competent young women making it on their own in a magical realm with interests and talents beyond the bed, that their entire personalities can be pared down to "she has the hots for this other girl". I don't like reducing complex characters to only a few traits on basic principle, even more so when those traits tend to be projections on the part of fans.

And so I don't repost my entire short essay on why we as fans should remember that there are other forms of love beyond just sexual desire, I'll just link it instead. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10224.msg681083.html#msg681083) (Bottom of the post.)
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Excelsus on October 22, 2011, 05:28:36 PM
You see i think the worst part of the touhou series is that some fan just says every other bullet hell game is EASY and a RIPOFF from touhou, i think to become touhou fan you need to respect other bullet hell series too.. because what importance is the gameplay, unfortunately some fans just like the fact that touhou is the ONLY great bullet hell series.. and dislike and disparage any other bullet hell series, which is kinda wore me down, since i become a touhou fan because of another game that is a bullet hell series and the game itself which is posted on newgrounds, kong,etc. usualy the one that is made by the touhou "fan" always keep saying,"this game is a ripoff, it doesnt have many bullet which make this game easy as fuck, the gameplay is sloppy, " I honestly hate that
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Chronojet ⚙ Dragon on October 22, 2011, 05:40:25 PM
This is why Cave vs Touhou discussions are prohibited on this forum.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: shurcle on October 23, 2011, 05:22:25 AM
You see i think the worst part of the touhou series is that some fan just says every other bullet hell game is EASY and a RIPOFF from touhou, i think to become touhou fan you need to respect other bullet hell series too.. because what importance is the gameplay, unfortunately some fans just like the fact that touhou is the ONLY great bullet hell series.. and dislike and disparage any other bullet hell series, which is kinda wore me down, since i become a touhou fan because of another game that is a bullet hell series and the game itself which is posted on newgrounds, kong,etc. usualy the one that is made by the touhou "fan" always keep saying,"this game is a ripoff, it doesnt have many bullet which make this game easy as fuck, the gameplay is sloppy, " I honestly hate that
Reminds me of how people call the CoD series the only FPS shooter series and how combat arms/any-other-FPS-shooter is ripping off black ops.
People can be so narrow minded these days. :P <--- oh god what the heck is that thing and what did it do to my emoticon
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: ふねん1 on October 23, 2011, 05:33:00 AM
You see i think the worst part of the touhou series is that some fan just says every other bullet hell game is EASY and a RIPOFF from touhou, i think to become touhou fan you need to respect other bullet hell series too.. because what importance is the gameplay, unfortunately some fans just like the fact that touhou is the ONLY great bullet hell series.. and dislike and disparage any other bullet hell series, which is kinda wore me down, since i become a touhou fan because of another game that is a bullet hell series and the game itself which is posted on newgrounds, kong,etc. usualy the one that is made by the touhou "fan" always keep saying,"this game is a ripoff, it doesnt have many bullet which make this game easy as fuck, the gameplay is sloppy, " I honestly hate that
I think that's less a case of what constitutes a fan and more just having common sense, like shurcle alluded to. Speaking of shurcle...

oh god what the heck is that thing and what did it do to my emoticon
Surprised to see a Kogasa emoticon? Hey, her usual expression matches that of an emoticon, and considering this is a Touhou forum, why not?  :D
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: shurcle on October 23, 2011, 06:29:09 PM
Surprised to see a Kogasa emoticon? Hey, her usual expression matches that of an emoticon, and considering this is a Touhou forum, why not?  :D
Surprised ":" + "P" turned into :P
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Aquila on October 24, 2011, 12:35:38 PM
Surprised
Then her work here is done :P
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Shimatora on October 24, 2011, 07:05:42 PM
The perverted side of fan material. I mean, does Youmu really need THAT big breasts?
Although, I can't really say this has ever even almost ruined Touhou for me. When I'm saving pictures I always ignore the ones that are NSFW.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on October 24, 2011, 07:07:22 PM
Although, I can't really say this has ever even almost ruined Touhou for me. When I'm saving pictures I always ignore the ones that are NSFW.
This comment reminds me to ask-- does everyone here know how to blacklist explicit-rated pictures and specific tags on Danbooru?
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Shimatora on October 24, 2011, 07:10:05 PM
This comment reminds me to ask-- does everyone here know how to blacklist explicit-rated pictures and specific tags on Danbooru?

Safebooru > Danbooru
I'm guessing you have to sign up to do that, so I don't know. Never tried!
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Alfred F. Jones on October 24, 2011, 07:16:21 PM
Safebooru > Danbooru
I'm guessing you have to sign up to do that, so I don't know. Never tried!
The reason I dislike Safebooru is because it also gets rid of questionable-rated pictures, and a not insignificant number of good pictures are under that rating. And yeah, you'd have to sign up to put it to best use, but you can also use it as a "negative tag" of sorts: hijiri_byakuren as opposed to  hijiri_byakuren+-rating:e, the latter of which will filter out the explicit-rated pictures but not the questionable ones. And if you're going to filter the questionable ones too, then go for Safebooru by all means.
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Shimatora on October 24, 2011, 07:25:30 PM
The reason I dislike Safebooru is because it also gets rid of questionable-rated pictures, and a not insignificant number of good pictures are under that rating. And yeah, you'd have to sign up to put it to best use, but you can also use it as a "negative tag" of sorts: hijiri_byakuren as opposed to  hijiri_byakuren+-rating:e, the latter of which will filter out the explicit-rated pictures but not the questionable ones. And if you're going to filter the questionable ones too, then go for Safebooru by all means.

I'll put this to use, thanks!
Title: Re: Has anything almost ruined touhou for you?
Post by: Gpop on October 24, 2011, 10:13:59 PM
This comment reminds me to ask-- does everyone here know how to blacklist explicit-rated pictures and specific tags on Danbooru?
either
rating:safe or -explicit :V

Anyways, I wouldn't say it almost ruined touhou, but it certainly annoyed me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Pwi6nW0JA

Just...everything...about...it...ugh (especially the part where I got downvoted for saying that I found it mildly annoying =/)