Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Touhou Addict Recovery Center => Topic started by: shinyjam on July 20, 2009, 02:33:45 AM
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I never thought about it, but what god in Hakurei shine does Reimu worship anyway? ???
Wiki did said there is a god.
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Mima appointed herself as the God of the shrine, I guess. Although now that'll probably be as good as retcon anyway.
In all honesty though, I doubt the Shrine itself has one, being it's true purpose is related to the border.
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Umm...I guess that's count, but the game text sound like she just the extra one instead of the original. :P
"She is like the deity (evil deity) of the Shrine by now, but her personality is more human-ish than human. "
If it about border, could it be Yukari? Since she the one maintaining it and such...
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Mima became the border.
WHAT A TWEEST!
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Mima covered it i believe..
and so did I...
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Oh ho that is a great twist~~.....it would explain so many things...
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You mispelt Shrine. Twice. =V
That being said, apparently, the Hakurei Shrine's power (in terms of holiness) has receded due to Reimu's general laziness when it comes to training, so even Remilia, who shouldn't be able to go to the Shrine, can go with no ill effects. So yeah. >_>
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The only thing I remember about the Hakurei Shrine god(dess?) Reimu was fighting the a goddess of harvest, who smelled something like sweet potatoes, made her hungry, ect. After the fight, Reimu apparently thought that goddess was a weak easy target and wondered if her own god was just as weak as well... This suggests two things:
Reimu's faith level is extraordinarily low for a priestess
Reimu is unfamiliar with her own god, so even she might not know who it is.
Keep in mind this is second hand information from a long time ago, so I could be deeply befuddled on the matter. Still, it's kinda sad when you think about it. If she doesn't know who it is, I doubt anybody else would either....
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I don't think this has really been gone into much in any translated material. (I've heard it rumored that Bohemian Archive's article about the Hakurei Shrine is also relevant, but there's no translation on that yet, so what can ya do.) All I can think of offhand is two quotes about it.
Reimu, in MoF: "I wonder if my shrine's god is any stronger?" So apparently she believes she has one, but doesn't know much about the specifics. Edit for curse you, rascally Tonepoet!
And Rinnosuke, in Curiosities of Lotus Asia naturally. Sakuya calls the shrine godless, Reimu objects, and he narrates, "I?m probably the only one that knows about the origins of the Hakurei Shrine. Here I thought about teaching it as for restoring Reimu?s honor, but? it?s not really important, so it was rejected. How sad." Which mostly tells us that he's a huge tease.
So in conclusion... I know no more about it now than when I started. Except, I suppose, that it's probably intended to be mysterious, not just an oversight. Either way, it's some nice fertile ground for speculation and wacky theories!
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You mispelt Shrine. Twice. =V
Ah yes, must have something to do my shiny little name.
So apparently she believes she has one, but doesn't know much about the specifics.
That's logical since she just inherent the shine.
Sakuya calls the shrine godless, Reimu objects,
Umm...ying yang orb? Something to do with her bloodline power? ;D
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Umm...ying yang orb? Something to do with her bloodline power? ;D
Heheh, well hey, Sakuya's also said once that she doesn't believe in god. You've really gotta be determined to get away with that in Gensokyo...
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Silly humans...the Hakurei Shrine's god is obviously ZUN! Hence all the plot armor Reimu gets during "Incidents".
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Reimu's more of the guardian of the Hakurei Barrier than she is a shrine maiden of a god.
It's possible that there is no god in the shrine, either.
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Me.
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Me.
You retired. Go away :V
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Never. It's just visiting Makai and sitting inside the shrine playing on various human world game consoles is more fun that venturing out into the cold to stop some wannabe villain from doing something ever-so-slightly bad.
Ah~ It seems I was the only villain who was a true evil genius~
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Gotta give a hand to ZUN. 11 games so far, 12th coming up and still manages to keep Hakurei shrine god a secret. Didn't even need to mention it in SSiB.
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Gotta give a hand to ZUN. 11 games so far, 12th coming up and still manages to keep Hakurei shrine god a secret. Didn't even need to mention it in SSiB.
It's easier. He doesn't have to decide this way.
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What kind of value would it have anyway revealing the god(ess) she possibly worships. It still wouldn't be more important than the Hakurei Border.
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Ah~ It seems I was the only villain who was a true evil genius~
Yumemi would like a word with you...
Also, the true god of the Hakurei Shrine is... Rin Satsuki! Why? Because... Just because.
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All Yumemi wanted was to get magical research or data or something. Genius, yes. Evil, no.
I wanted everyone dead~
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You're so moe when you try to be badass ;D
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Maybe it's ILLUSIONARY RICHARD DAWKINS. In our world, he wrote the God Delusion, but in Gensokyo he is a god himself. He is like Youmu, he is one half atheist and one half god. He can teach you about biology and stuff.
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Gotta give a hand to ZUN. 11 games so far, 12th coming up and still manages to keep Hakurei shrine god a secret. Didn't even need to mention it in SSiB.
It's not that hard actually, that is, if you simply bury the player in alot of other shit that diverts their attention away from the subject in question.
I mean really, is this the first time such a question has arisen to anyone? If so, then I rest my case.
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I mean really, is this the first time such a question has arisen to anyone? If so, then I rest my case.
Probably never be asked if I never brought it up. :o
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The deity's identity is a secret for sure, but I think that Yukari is hinted heavily when it was set that she lives in the Hakurei border and that she would wear that yin-yang in an anologue way to Reimu.
Still, we should take note that Reimu and Yukari have the same position in Gensokyo.
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It's totally the Dragon.
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I heard that the Shrine God is a mysterious entity, and that there are rumors that it makes an appearance as a TLB, if you can clear all of the TH official games in cronological order (at Lunatic Difficulty). You must 1lc every game with all characters, in a row.
If done correctly, then you're allowed to play the second loop (in this case, all games must be 1lc'd again consecutively, with all characters). Then, at the final stage, you fight the shrine itself. (remember that the shrine isn't within Gensokyo..)
When you defeat it, the Shrine God emerges (even if the shrine has been destroyed twice in the series; the Shrine God says that She's determined to destroy the player Herself, and that She will use Her mighty weapon against the player).
People who're able to defeat the Shrine God are then allowed to enter a score contest, and the contest's winner will be granted an extremely-limited Campaign Version edition, featuring a more difficult Shrine God.
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I heard that the Shrine God is a mysterious entity, and that there are rumors that it makes an appearance as a TLB, if you can clear all of the TH official games in cronological order (at Lunatic Difficulty). You must 1lc every game with all characters, in a row.
If done correctly, then you're allowed to play the second loop (in this case, all games must be 1lc'd again consecutively, with all characters). Then, at the final stage, you fight the shrine itself. (remember that the shrine isn't within Gensokyo..)
When you defeat it, the Shrine God emerges (even if the shrine has been destroyed twice in the series; the Shrine God says that She's determined to destroy the player Herself, and that She will use Her mighty weapon against the player).
People who're able to defeat the Shrine God are then allowed to enter a score contest, and the contest's winner will be granted an extremely-limited Campaign Version edition, featuring a more difficult Shrine God.
Bah and I thought Easy mode would atleast work.
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Bah and I thought Easy mode would at least work.
That or donating at her shrine.
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wtf shadowbringer
thunder dragon. think about it. (http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/b/dimahoo15.png) make it happen.
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That or donating at her shrine.
No wonder nobody knows what it is, then 8D
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wtf shadowbringer
thunder dragon. think about it. (http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/arcade/b/dimahoo15.png) make it happen.
(http://plus4chan.org/boards/draw/src/123981259965.jpg)
wait wat?
yeah, Thunder Dragon is right.
srsly tho, my idea of the Hakurei Shrine God is probably about Reimu worshiping her ancestors which were before her, or when Gensokyo was in its infancy state.
I think I am right. (compared with Mima, which by all definitions, clearly stated she was an evil spirit residing in the shrine, unless she is enshrined as a youkai god)
in this, youkai gods, exists, certain myths depict certain characters of youkai, such as the tengu, for example, as Gods. Or maybe it worships a tree, a local god that doesn't speak, or move, but is the focus of natural energies that kept Gensokyo at its state of peace (ie. Nagi in the show Kannagi)
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There are people who worship evil-like god.
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(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7660/wonderfestival2009summex.jpg) (http://img149.imageshack.us/i/wonderfestival2009summex.jpg/)
well, now we all know.
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<how do i delete this message? >
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You can't.
Actually I wonder why the forums are like this, it should be that members can self moderate their own posts. (including deletion)
That said, here is another worthwhile theory, what if, say the Gods that the Hakurei worships is Gensokyo itself?
In ancient times, it was said that lands belong to Gods, and an even more ancient story tells that Japan was spread into 4 distinct islands through the work of a mighty sword (this you can see in literature). According to this legend, each land, Chugoku, Hokkaido etc are all distinct 'Gods', or 'fragments of Gods', so what if Hakurei shrine worships the land of Gensokyo itself.
It would prove worthy that the Hakurei should be the ones doing this, hence why 'Kanako is a foreign God' may mean more than her being an outside, but also outside of the nature of this land 'Gensokyo's prime god.'
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That would be like the manifestation of Mother Earth, Gaia.
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you can
just delete your post before someone else posts
or, well, you could ask a mod for this forum (as in not me)
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... an even more ancient story tells that Japan was spread into 4 distinct islands through the work of a mighty sword (this you can see in literature). According to this legend, each land, Chugoku, Hokkaido etc ...
Talk about Japanese expansionism. :D "China is a part of Japan. China has always been a part of Japan."
I think you meant Shikoku. ;)
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that reminds me, is Chinese more like Latin?
I've been using "Latin-based" and "character-based" to refer to the different languages and I'm pretty sure that's wrong (Latin characters, etc)... I have no problem calling those languages "Chinese-based" tbh
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that reminds me, is Chinese more like Latin?
I've been using "Latin-based" and "character-based" to refer to the different languages and I'm pretty sure that's wrong (Latin characters, etc)... I have no problem calling those languages "Chinese-based" tbh
Not an expert on this, so I might be wrong.
Chinese language is one thousand year older then latin.
Your "latin-based" would be referring to the "Alphabet base" where it use varies version of alphabet and string them together to form a meaning.
Example: Apple (One word)
"character-based" are one combination of stroke in character.
example: 専 (one word)
Japanese is character based and is comprise of three set of word set that's not exactly working together but not gonna go in detail about it.
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First of all, are you talking about the languages, which are what you actually speak and hear (even if only in your head), or the writing systems, which are what is printed on a page? Things can get confusing if you don't distinguish those.
You really can't call the Japanese language "Chinese-based", since the Chinese and Japanese languages are not at all similar. It's true that Japan has borrowed a lot of words from Chinese, but other features of the languages, like grammar and pronunciation, are extremely different, and the two languages have different origins. Of course, neither language is at all like Latin or its descendant languages.
As for the writing systems, the Japanese writing system was based on the Chinese one and is still pretty close to it, though it's not identical. The Chinese writing system is of a type called "logographic" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logogram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logogram)), meaning that each character stands for a word or a major part of a word. Japanese kanji characters are directly borrowed from Chinese characters (known in Chinese as "hanzi").
Japanese also has two other sets of characters, hiragana and katakana (collectively known as "kana"). These characters stand for syllables (usually either a consonant followed by a vowel or a simple bare vowel), so while they are not an alphabet, they are a bit closer to one than the kanji are. This sort of character set is called a "syllabary" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllabary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllabary)).
And finally, there are alphabetic writing systems like the Latin alphabet. Of course, you can have an alphabetic writing system that doesn't use the Latin alphabet: the Greek, Cyrillic, and Hebrew alphabets are obvious examples. And using the Latin alphabet doesn't mean your language is Latin-based. Italian, Spanish, and French are Latin-based languages (they all descended from Latin) which also use the Latin alphabet. English, Czech, and Vietnamese use the Latin alphabet, but none of these languages are Latin-based (even though English has borrowed lots of Latin words).
I know that's a lot of detail and makes things more complicated, but I hope it also clears up some confusion.
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That would be like the manifestation of Mother Earth, Gaia.
Reimu is a Planeteer?
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Reimu is a Planeteer?
Something like Earth Priest.