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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #600 on: July 22, 2013, 03:56:24 PM »
Well, I think this is more a question of personal taste, but speaking solely for myself, I think we already have a pretty fleshed-out story going on, with major players who are already plenty interesting. But making existing characters more interesting isn't mutually exclusive with adding new ones, so yeah, I'd like to see both.

But either way, I'm not holding my breath. ZUN has gone on record as saying he likes leaving some things open-ended and unexplained. I think this lends itself to tending less to develop existing cast members and more adding cast.
Sure, its personal taste. Do you mean we already have a pretty fleshed out story in 14 or in the touhou series in general?
It does seem like ZUN's style to leave things open-ended, and it's unfortunate that I don't completely agree with that style.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #601 on: July 22, 2013, 03:58:11 PM »
It does seem like ZUN's style to leave things open-ended, and it's unfortunate that I don't completely agree with that style.

Haha, well, 'fraid there's little you can do about that, short of writing him a strongly-worded letter telling him to step his game up after all the money you've spent on his work!

e: Just poking fun here, by the by. It's fine to criticize an artist for their approach to their work. I do think, though, that there's little chance he'll be changing his MO anytime soon.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #602 on: July 22, 2013, 04:56:15 PM »
Haha, well, 'fraid there's little you can do about that, short of writing him a strongly-worded letter telling him to step his game up after all the money you've spent on his work!

e: Just poking fun here, by the by. It's fine to criticize an artist for their approach to their work. I do think, though, that there's little chance he'll be changing his MO anytime soon.

*shrug* It all depends on how he things the series is doing and if he thinks its fine then that's that.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #603 on: July 22, 2013, 09:52:31 PM »
Thinking it over from a writing perspective, I think it's not controversial to say that there are some stories which could be fleshed out better. Nothing wrong with open ends, of course, as it's something I especially like about Gensokyo. Not just for what fans do with the unanswered questions, but also in how they add a strong emotive element of mystery to the place. But there are some stories that, I guess, feel like strong beginnings that could lead to even better stories with exploration. While some stories end in one clean arc (IN), there are others that make me want to see the story explored further (PCB, in particular regarding Yuyuko). But even these two casts were explored further, in manga format. This is partly why I've been pleased with the religious arc, even if the games themselves have been a little uneven. ZUN does like to take his time with a narrative. Further exploration of the existing cast is something he actively does. I expect he'll continue to do this, even as new characters get folded in, and form relationships with these characters more further developed.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #605 on: July 23, 2013, 12:31:43 AM »

Yep, final boss is a dwarf. A dwarf wearing a hat. And jumping.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #606 on: July 23, 2013, 12:32:39 AM »
I hope it's not like that stupid garden gnome from that one touhou fangame whose name I don't know.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #607 on: July 23, 2013, 12:57:46 AM »
I hope it's not like that stupid garden gnome from that one touhou fangame whose name I don't know.
Rest assured ZUN will probably not be lifting from the fan dynasty.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #608 on: July 23, 2013, 01:31:37 AM »
I hope it's not like that stupid garden gnome from that one touhou fangame whose name I don't know.
Holy shit I remember that from I dunno however long ago jesus christ

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #609 on: July 23, 2013, 01:35:59 AM »
She is small.... incredibly so... and is she wearing what it looks like Byakuren's Hat? (Ajirogasa, I think)

I can see her feet, and It does not looks to me like she is jumping... maybe she is indeed small?

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #610 on: July 23, 2013, 01:42:08 AM »

Yep, final boss is a dwarf. A dwarf wearing a hat. And jumping.
I thought it was the reaper at first, but then I noticed the feet just a bit below the middle. She does appear to be walking rather than jumping, though. Either she's stretching her arms out or holding an object over her should (right between the "Project" and the top edge). Considering her small stature, she might be the extra boss.
Hmm, either she's stretching her arms out or holding an object over her should (right between the "Project" and the top edge). And looking at the bulge at the top, it seems like she's wearing a bowl or lampshade rather than a hood. Not sure if the emblem at the lower right is part of her or not. What mythological creatures would go with that?
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #611 on: July 23, 2013, 01:43:56 AM »
Holy shit I remember that from I dunno however long ago jesus christ

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #612 on: July 23, 2013, 01:44:24 AM »
Yes, it definitely looks more like a bowl. A tsukumogami, perhaps?
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #613 on: July 23, 2013, 01:49:51 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issun-b%C5%8Dshi

Issun-boshi, whose story every Japanese has read as a child, used a bowl for a boat, chopsticks for oars, and a needle for a sword.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #614 on: July 23, 2013, 01:50:47 AM »
Care to enlighten me?

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And... if ZUN follows his western youkai that so far has be in this game... that Gnome/Dwarf theory seems more plausible
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #615 on: July 23, 2013, 01:54:34 AM »
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And... if ZUN follows his western youkai that so far has be in this game... that Gnome/Dwarf theory seems more plausible

Saw a bit of it, but I didn't see the gnome bit.
I don't think I want to, to be honest.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #616 on: July 23, 2013, 01:58:19 AM »
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And... if ZUN follows his western youkai that so far has be in this game... that Gnome/Dwarf theory seems more plausible
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #617 on: July 23, 2013, 01:59:10 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issun-b%C5%8Dshi

Issun-boshi, whose story every Japanese has read as a child, used a bowl for a boat, chopsticks for oars, and a needle for a sword.

Holy hell! I thought the same exact thing, seriously hoping it is Issun. Either way this cover looks really nice.

EDIT: this would actually make sense since all the bosses so far have western equivalents, so it would make sense for Issun's to be a gnome/dwarf
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #618 on: July 23, 2013, 02:01:02 AM »
The Ex boss is the "Gnome" people are talking about, Kingaut. 

And it's just me or a child looking final boss will be a bit underwhelming?  Then again Zun has his way with designs so hopefully she'll be as cool as the others. 

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #619 on: July 23, 2013, 02:07:16 AM »
Uh......no............
If it was that......thing, it would've gotten confirmed already. :V

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #620 on: July 23, 2013, 02:13:01 AM »
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #621 on: July 23, 2013, 02:14:53 AM »
Yoshi lol.

On a side note, the dwarf looks like it's going to be an underwhelming boss. Plus the concept itself is, BLECK.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #623 on: July 23, 2013, 02:30:55 AM »
Yoshi lol.

On a side note, the dwarf looks like it's going to be an underwhelming boss. Plus the concept itself is, BLECK.
I want a duck youkai.

Funny you say that... In Animal Crossing New Leaf, in the campsite, there was a yellow duck today named Joey... whose catchphrase was something like "Bleeeeeck", give or take several e's.

Anyway, back on topic, I'll bet on either something related to dwarves/gnomes, that fairy tale about Issun, or both.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #624 on: July 23, 2013, 02:41:29 AM »
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #625 on: July 23, 2013, 03:49:12 AM »
Gnome? You mean hobgoblin? Seriously now, they already exist in Gensokyo, you might as well make one a proper character.

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #626 on: July 23, 2013, 03:52:59 AM »

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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #627 on: July 23, 2013, 04:07:21 AM »
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #628 on: July 23, 2013, 05:51:40 AM »
I like to see both new characters and old characters as long as they have a background, instead of just putting them in there for randomness.
50% of me is actually hoping at least one of the next bosses or even midbosses are of old, unexplained foes.
Long story short, I hope Rumia, Letty, all those other minor characters become at least a midboss.
They all appeared and left without any hint of their background. They act like a powerful version of the stage enemies. Nothing else.
It saddens me that they weren't anything to the story.
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Re: Touhou 14 - 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character (Demo)
« Reply #629 on: July 23, 2013, 07:01:31 AM »
I want a duck youkai.
Would you really want that? The quack that moves millions is a scary thing to see.

The cover art looks... interesting. Certainly does look like a jumping elf/gnome with a bowl on it's head. I guess the long thing on the side is her hair?

It's the garden gnome incident! Will be interesting to see how ZUN makes a gnome (?) as a final/extra boss to be intimidating.
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